The Joe Rogan Experience - #1116 - Steven Tyler

Episode Date: May 16, 2018

Steven Tyler is a singer-songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, best known as the lead-singer of Aerosmith. He is also the subject of new documentary called "Steven Tyler: Out On a Limb" available to stream on demand.

Four, three, two, one, boom. We've done a thousand what? How many podcasts? 1,116. Stephen Tye was the only man to bring a crystal ball. You're the first. Cause you got to bring it with you when you come. Do you bring that everywhere?

Yeah. I'll bring it with me to Maui. I'll bring it with me to Maui I'll bring it with me to Europe yeah what is it it's just I'm into crystals I just it's pretty it's got a beautiful occlusion and when you get the light just right on it just like me on stage at night when the light is just right you don't say I feel yeah dude you look fucking fantastic for 70 can I just tell you I feel you. Dude, you look fucking fantastic for 70. Can I just tell you? Thank you. I thought you were 70. I was like, holy shit. You look really good.

Your skin looks amazing. Why, thank you. It really does. Thanks. And I walk around like this and wonder why everybody's fucking taking pictures and busting my chops, walking through the airport. I actually have a t-shirt that says, go fuck your selfie. Oh.

Because you're walking with the dogs. You're walking with the girl. And they come over and want to stop and take a selfie or something. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for that. It's good living. Is that what it is?

Well, I don't know. I spent 30 years of it on drugs and drunk. Maybe the crystal helped you. I think so. That's it. Might have done something. Yeah. How long have you been carrying that thing around?

I don't. It lives in my house. I have one I do keep in my pocket. You do? Which is not here today. Oh. What is that? You bring a switchblade?

Jesus Christ. Joe Perry and I got a thing. Both bring switchblades? We just collect knives, man. I'm such a country boy. And when I did Idol, every night, when I walked out on stage

and it went, and I'm walking next to J-Lo and Randy, my knife was right in my pocket. In case someone jumps you? In case someone said one thing. No, open my fan mail. Oh, okay. Yeah. Switch play to open fan mail.

It's fun. It's a cool thing. It's fun. I don't often carry it, but I thought because I think you're so fucking cool that I would bring a couple of cool things from my house. I'm just like carry it, but I thought because I think you're so fucking cool that I would bring a couple of cool things from my house. You know,

I'm just like that. Oh, thank you. I'm one of those guys that when I leave the house, I say, goodbye house. Remember, I got a son

and three daughters. Right. And I know after watching, what was your last? Triggered. Triggered, that you got a bunch

of kids too. And it starts wearing off on you. I think it's a beautiful thing. I think it's a beautiful thing. I think it's a beautiful thing too. You have three girls, your wife and two girls. I have three girls,

three daughters. It will happen to you. I do too. Oh yeah. You're a legit eccentric. Like there's some people that pretend to be eccentric. You're like a legit one. I am.

And I love it. In fact, I love me. It's good to love you. More than that. I love us. I love us too. I love us. I say that all the time. I'm super I love it. In fact, I love me. It's good to love you. More than that. I love us. I love us, too I love us. I say that I'm super happy about this I'm so fucking excited. I got seriously. I gotta ask you what the fuck do you eat for breakfast? How did you get so fucking smart? Oh

I'm not like I just remember things. Okay, cuz I difference there's a difference between There's a difference between being smart and just remembering a lot of shit. You remember things. Yeah, I'm not that smart. Well, remembering things is huge. It helps. It certainly helps. Yeah, but what is smart, right? Smart is like, can you solve equations?

Can you figure things out that other people can't figure out? Do you know things other people don't know? No. I just remember shit that smart people have already figured out. But you accumulate situations You know, it's like Jimi Hendrix said, you know, you experience. Yeah experiential So if you remember those things over and over you're gonna become a wizard. You're a wizard. You're so good. Thank you That's you're so good

that's why I watched your show and I watched the beginning right before you walked out on stage the triggered and I said two things that was that came to my attention was, one, you were talking with your producer or whoever that said, there's your chair, and by the way, your bottle of water's right there. We need those guys, right? Oh, for sure. And the other thing is, you were sitting on the couch alone, reading your notes.

Yeah. Yeah. And you showed that. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing. I can't live without my notes. I fly at such a speed, such an altitude, that I can't remember what I did yesterday. But then I have long term where I go, yeah, that was three months ago.

But I just thought I would read you a timeline. Okay. Because I saw you reading your notes. Okay. April 15th, lunch with the kids in Venice. My daughter lives in Venice. Hi, Chelsea. That's a long time ago.

Drove to San Diego. Yeah. Well, you know, a month because I don't have good memory. Right. All right. Drove to San Diego that night after that. Did you write things down like after you did them just to solidify them in your head? No, I just came from a whirlwind of press and right Steven Tyler day and released a documentary the KC Tebow did and all this shit happened and we played the the

Jazz Fest in but I'm but I'm but I'm but I'm New Orleans and that happened in the last two weeks and I just said to Amy what what have we been doing in the last where have we been right so I wrote, where have we been? Right. So I wrote it down. Drove to San Diego after Venice. Did a private show. Flew to Orlando that night. Right. Okay. Private gig with David Foster,

Katy Perry, Pia from Idol. This girl was so sweet. Rehearsed with the band. And during the break from the band, I was in Disney World. I rode my roller coaster. I just got back in Disney World. I rode my roller coaster. I just got back from Disney World,

and I rode your roller coaster yesterday. Okay, so you know you've made it when, right? The day before yesterday. So I'm going through this list, and I went, wait a minute, we what? And it was just, you know, rode the roller coaster, then I ran over.

The rockin' roller coaster. The rockin' roller coaster. It's great. Right? Two times it goes up like that. And then it goes backwards. Yeah. Zero to 60 in 2.8 seconds.

It's pretty dope. Yeah. Sick. Electromagnetic propulsion. Dude. Dude. What are we doing here? What are we doing here?

So then I went over to the animal kingdom to visit some of my old girlfriends. No. I went to a- Did you do the Avatar ride? I had to. Holy shit. I fucking love Avatar. Holy shit is that Avatar ride intense.

The one when you get on the bike and you're flying on the dragon in virtual reality. That's the greatest ride of all time. The greatest. I think it's called Flights of Passage. I think that's what it's called. It might be. It's like the Na'ave. I went to, just to break here for a second, I went to Betty Ford eight years ago because

I got fucked up with my foot stuff and just stuff with your foot stuff uh i had an operation on my foot you know and i kept the meds right by the bed you know i'm saying would you get done with my girlfriend so they were right there and i thought i took one five minutes ago i want to take another one that's what yeah that happens to a lot of people with those pain pills. And so I checked myself into Betty Ford. Good for you. But while I was there, they let me out a couple times. I saw Avatar. Eight times.

Did you get Avatar depression? Never. Do you know what that is? No, no, I became her. Right. Which one? Sigourney Weaver? Oh.

No, not Sigourney. The Sigourney Weaver character? No, the other one. Right, yeah, the girl. Not the guy. I became her, and I just watched her moves. She's pretty dope. I cannot wait for that to come out. Yeah. It's not not the guy became her and I watched her moves and she's pretty dope I cannot wait for that to come out. Yeah, it's gonna come out soon

Okay, then we back in we flew right to New York City after the show Okay, okay went to see Bruce Springsteen's one-off on Broadway that night. How was that sick? Sick, he's so good. He's amazing. I gotta you, I'm not the biggest Bruce Springsteen fan, but I respect him. I love his music. I know he became a phenomenon in like 72, like when we did. And sitting there and watching him be honest and talk to this crowd and sing songs and play the piano and talk his truth. And then he says something like, he goes, you know this New Jersey thing with the pregnant paws? He goes, I invented that.

And that was it. He won my heart. Because when someone says that, it was so real and so true. But Sinatra was from Hoboken. Yeah. And I'm from Yonkers. Okay. Or the Bronx.

Or the Bronx. Or the Bronx. I was born in New Jersey too. Were you? Yeah, Newark. Wow. Fascinating. Newark, New Jersey. Trivia.

And right where you were born they put an airport. I think it was already there. Hmm. So you lived in the high-end neighborhood. Not really. Okay, so that night flew right to New York City after the show. Went to see Bruce Springsteen.

I said that, redundancy. And you loved it. I loved it. I loved it. Then I did, the next morning woke up, did a Harper's Bazaar shoot for the cover with my daughter Liv. Keith Richards' daughters were there, all that stuff. After, hung out with Lenny Kravitz, had a nice couple slices with Lenny, my bro.

Flew to Muscle Shoals right after that and recorded a song with Nuno Betancourt. Sick as fuck. So good. So good. That was three days of this. This is a hell of a timeline you got going on here. Yeah, and that was the next day.

I went right to Rick Hall's place, who passed away like three months ago, and his son. Rodney Hall works the place. It's called Fame Studios. Mm-hmm. And I sat in a room. He took me all over the place. And I walked into the demo room where you could smell the oxides off the tape. Wow.

With Percy Sledge demo. When a man loves a woman. You know, that first shit. The first stuff. Wilson Pickett. And I'm sitting in the room with him. And I'm telling you, man, I started to cry. I cried.

I welled up three times there. Wow. Just to be in the room. I'm standing doing the vocals to Brown Sugar, right where Little Richard sang, right where he sang. I see a picture on the wall of him standing right there. And this is all on Muscle Shoals? Yeah, Muscle Shoals.

Did you see that documentary? I did. I watched the documentary first. Incredible. I said, I'm in. What is it about that place? How did that place... Okay, here's what it is. It's the vibes. If you're into vibes.

Yeah. If you're into living, if you're into feeling alive, you can always feel sad when your mom dies. But you got to amp that up. You got to feel good when bad things are going on. You got to thank God when bad things are going on. You got to be into crystals. Love your girlfriend. Try to be happy.

Try to find the positivity and negativity and then when you listen to music and your very favorite thing and you close your eyes that's vibes that's something you can't even talk about really it's how you feel personally whatever you've been through in your life those vibes of those songs wilson pickett little richard i mean the allman brothers right started there Little Richard. I mean, the Allman Brothers started there. So when you listen to the Allman Brothers, you're in the room where Greg said to his brother, let's do this song.

So do you think it is because all those talented people performed there and they let it soak into the building? Is that what it is? Because there's places that do have a magic to them. I always talk about the comedy store like that. The comedy store has a magic to it. When you're there, there's something about that place that like it feels like great things have happened in that place before. You feel it in the wood.

You feel it in the carpet. It's just it's in the air. Do you feel like that was Muscle Strolls? Is it because all those great artists have performed there and like almost like the room has a memory of it? I think so. Because there's some scientists that think that things have memories. It's a weird, impossible to prove idea. Okay. Well, when you die, did you know that you're on the table? You die. And if the table is, you're being weighed as you die, it goes down a number. 21 grams.

It's not real. Huh? That's not real. It's not true. No, it's one of those things that people always say. You sure? Yeah, there's no way of really measuring. Oh, man, you just burst my balloon.

I think it's just one of those. Hold on, man. It's one of those hippie things that people. Fucking A. It's one of those hippie things that people love to say. You sure? Pretty sure. Jamie, why don't you Google it?

But I'm pretty sure that's not real. Anyway, I believe in that. I do, too, sometimes. I walked in the room and like check this out so if um one of my favorite hendrick songs well are you in are you experienced right not necessarily stoned but beautiful meanwhile you walk on stage and go fuck me these edibles i walk in here and go fuck me me, I didn't do my nails. But you used to. And these edibles.

You used to do all kinds of crazy shit. What do you mean? Drugs? Drug-wise. Well, fuck yeah. Of course. Well, yeah. While you were being born, I was walking around New York City with John Belushi, knocking

on everybody's door to get some blow. I mean, we were good friends. It's what you did back then i believed that uh in the spirit of music was think of it this way why do you think they're called booze spirits and when you listen to your favorite song you want to fuck your wife i think that spirits you know wherever it takes you whatever feeling it is, when I went to Muscle Shoals, I put my hand on the wood. I felt the room because I knew that Little Richard stood right in fucking front of me.

All I got to do is close my eyes and go back in time for a second. I did a song with Roots Rock Reggae, played a funky music, and it was, uh, shit. See, I don't have a long-term memory. Who did that song? Come on, help me. Play the funky music, white boy? No.

Roots Rock Reggae. Roots Rock Reggae. Who's the best reggae artist of all time? Bob Marley. Bob Marley. Okay, his son calls me up and goes, you gotta do the song. I go in, they put on the two-inch tape, the oxide, the old, the old fashioned two inch tape. And I'm in there ready to sing. Right. And I'm,

they start rolling and I'm listening. I got, I got everything turned up and I hear Bob walk into the studio. I hear the drummer sit down with a drum set and his stool squeaks and he farts. No, but as you can hear him pick up sticks you hear you hear the bass player fucking around with his bass and talking to bob munn what you fucking what you feel how you feeling today man and i'm in the room with bob marley so what is spirit if that's not it i made them play that back again for me because i just right close my eyes and you're in the room with bob marley well Well, there's certainly something, right? When you hear a song, a great song from the past and you get

goosebumps and you just feel it inside of you. There's something. You get moved. But what does that have to do with booze? I think booze is called spirits because it puts you in that place. Right. Phony. Releases some inhibition. It releases some inhibition. It's also a great truth serum, isn't it? It is, but is it false or is it just

that it just gets abused? I think it's not false. false exactly it makes you say things you wish you didn't then you go i was lying i was only fucking around well you could be in love for a moment bitch you you fuck you know fuck you fucking fuck that stuff that's well i thought you meant the nice tell me you've never done blow i've never done blow ever no unfortunately don't drink either i drink okay cool yeah i when i was growing up my friend's cousin sold blow and I saw disastrous results and I was scared off of it when I was very young wow good then I had some friends that as I grew older had blow problems so I never touched it see you're one of them man that's beautiful that's your normie normie in some ways but i've done a lot of different

like you said in that in your last that last documentary just joking you are farthest from the normie well it's smart that you some people it's smart that you thought not to do that yeah it just seems like one that i would like too much yeah you know it's one of the reasons why i never fucked with speed either i feel like i'd be like now I can get things done. Yeah, but you drink coffee don't you? Yeah, but it's mild Coffee doesn't really that is fucking mild this man is just mild. What is it? Chameleon which changes your fucking skin into another color. This is a cold brew cold brew coffee. It's just coffee I mean, this is really not that it's not coffee. It's called lucky Jack nitro Cold-brew coffee you might as well just stick this in your arm. I don't this is really not that. It's not coffee. It's called Lucky Jack Nitro Cold Brew Coffee.

You might as well just stick this in your arm. I don't think so. Really? I mean, I don't know because I've never stuck anything like that in my arm. Neither have I. I'm just saying. I have a feeling that it's not that. It's pretty strong.

Actually, it's probably not like what I make in the morning is like Kona coffee. I love Kona coffee. And I fill that fucker to the top. It's so dark that when you pour it you can't see through the stream yeah that's when you know you're going on Joe Rogan

and gonna spew some shit some real shit oh fuck some hot lava hot lava from Kona so then so we did that song

we did Brown Sugar me and Nuno Betancourt and we got all the players from way back then the horn section got girls to sing it it's just gonna be bobby womack sat in that room and he did you know i used to love you but it's all

over now the stones right that was that day marvin gay i'm in this room with all this tape so if you're a musician you feel the vibes right if you're comedic and you go to the comedy store you feel like you're walking around in placenta right yeah there's not a recording spot

for comedians you know you guys have a bunch of performing spots but you also have recording spots we only really have performing spots

yeah that's cool we record in those performing spots but I'm performing yeah I mean I go into, I just had these on last night, fixing the lyrics.

And when you have them on and you're listening to the track, it's just, it's something you can't explain. Nobody understands that. And it's akin to tripping on acid. It's akin to being drunk and sucking face with a girl

and making out with her. It's akin to being drunk and sucking face with a girl making out with her it's akin to watching your kids be born it's an elevated experience it's way elevated and if you if you buy it and you push the top floor like I do way past the penthouse boom well I know you do it hmm that's why I'm reading this off okay this is a day this is a day. This is what was a month Well, whatever it is, it's you and also you've been doing this a long time This is like a life where I mean the reason why you don't have any memory It's because you probably filled all your hard drive space with crazy experiences

well said You know, I have forgotten more than most people could ever remember How could you not where the how the fuck could you remember everything you've ever done? Well, she'll talk to a farmer about some shit that happened in the 50s. Oh, that was the day that a cow wouldn't give us milk. They remember. Well, there's two things going on here. I'm surrounded by people that always remind me.

That's good, too. You've got a good team. Yeah. And sometimes I've got to be on. Like live on The Tonight Show. Right. This thing I did, what was it with that beautiful blonde? Entertainment Tonight. Entertainment Tonight. This thing I did, what was it with that beautiful blonde? Entertainment Tonight.

Entertainment Tonight. I just watched it back. I thought, that's the best interview I think I've ever done. Because she looked me square in the eye. She was beautiful. She asked the just right questions. And was just perfect. And you got to be on in those moments.

Yes. That's all. That's what I'm saying. Me too. Do you miss being not sober? Sometimes. Sometimes? Yeah.

Yeah, I miss... What's the pros and cons? That if I do, I'll wind up doing too much. For sure? For sure. I can't control it. It's just the way you are. Just the way I am. And I don't want to push it again.

Because when I get that way, my kids don't talk to me. I get a divorce. I'm thrown out of my own band. Right, right. What else? I lose everything. I mean, it's happened enough times for me to finally realize, you know what? It's not worth it.

Right. You know? I get it. You worth it. Right. You know. I get it. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. And I got a lot of beautiful friends. I got a beautiful bunch of friends. To keep me in line, you know, I got two sponsors, one on the West Coast, one on the East Coast,

that I call up all the time and go, I want to get so fucked up right now. How does that work when you call them up? What do they say? Don't do it, Steven. No, no. Do they ever say, fuck, dude, I do too, but I keep it together? Exactly. That's what they say?

They'll just say, what else is new? Do you guys ever talk about it the way like fat people talk about food they used to eat? No, because we don't do that. What is it called? Looking back and digging into the dinosaur shit. No, we don't do that. But you do if you go to like an AA meeting. They do get up and tell awesome stories oh fuck getting fucked up right see when you get sober if you don't if you

don't continue your aftercare by going to a couple meetings every now and then you're going to wind up using again really especially someone like me who watched janice joplin up there okay 1968 I'm in a high school she's got bangles and beads like this shit on she's she's drinking southern comfort and she's spitting and using the f-word smoking cigarettes nobody did that back then she was a powerful woman and you're watching her and she's fucking the power in song take another little piece of my heart now. That's why I covered that on my country album. Yeah. Yeah.

To this day, I listen to that song at least once every couple months. I just put that in the headphones. So you see what songs can do for you? Yeah. Well, when you grew up in the 60s, and what we did was we experimented. I mean, if you think about what they tell us christopher columbus discovered america no the bow of his boat was full of booze and he fucked queen elizabeth or whoever she goes oh good boy you know and she sent him on his way

with some money and said bring me back some countries you think and by the way he wasn't the first person here that's what what America wants us to believe. But anyway, so Christopher Columbus, he's got that in his head to go check shit out. He's drinking. He's going by the stars at night. It's kind of like that. It's like you never took LSD. I've taken acid.

Okay. So then you know what? You look out. We used to take acid in high school and we would we'd go to these um ski slopes in the summertime right beautiful green hills going up and we'd ride the chairlift stoned as fuck and we got our stuff from san francisco from mousley i would call him up and go dude more colors more colors right to bound is going to kill me but that's what so you understand that that's just

it's like you know is it fucked up in it's drugs yeah but you're also it's like I'd love to do ayahuasca but you can't

maybe my bucket list and that's what I'll talk to my sponsor about hey I got this I'm in Maui maybe I've been here

too long but over in Hanaana they're doing ayahuasca i saw that you were at ram das's place because you were there with my friend duncan trussell hell yeah yeah yeah duncan sent me a picture of you guys together do you know i went back they had a silent auction and i i you know i know ram Dass he's you know he's a beautiful Jewish kid from Long Island Long Island and he became what he did talk about spirituality so I'm at the silent auction and I bought this and that and this and and one of these um melatron type thing that you squeeze

box you squeeze with your fingers and play it yeah And when I left there, a guy comes over and says, you just bought the first edition of his book in his own handwriting. You just bought his... I forget what the hell those things are called. Not an accordion, right? It's an accordion type thing. It is an accordion.

And I got to listen to Ram Dass talk and sat right in front of him. What a trip. Yeah, he's a trip. I need to meet him before he leaves this earth. Yeah. Duncan raves about him. Yeah.

So what were you doing there? You obviously have an interest in psychedelic experiences, but you are wary about attempting them at this stage after your sobriety? Hmm. Would I love to trip again? Yeah, I would. I would do it. But do you think you could do it? And, you know, maybe it's just like you just don't... Maybe it's getting

fucked up that's the bad thing. Like, just getting fucked up, just getting drunk and coked up, and maybe that's the problem. Maybe in a shamanic ceremony, maybe it wouldn't be a problem at all. Here's the deal. It's all one thing. Getting fucked up, shamanic, whatever.

If you're taking drugs and you're fucked up, you're fucked up. Doesn't matter if it's shamanic or not. If you get high and that tweaks that little thing in my brain that goes, here I go. Remember. In your brain. I got high for 30 years. Right. I'm from the 60s. Right.

With the best of them, I got high. And it took them down, some of them, most of them. You came through it remarkably unscathed, if you think about it. Yeah. Thank you, God. It's pretty amazing. Thank you, God. Thank you, God.

Think about that one. Yeah. Think you, God. It's pretty amazing. Thank you, God. Thank you, God. Think about that one. Yeah, think about that one. We could talk for two hours about times I did shit and almost died. Oh, sure. And then I could also tell you how many times I took shit and wrote things like, I'm listening to this guitar lick that Joe's playing. He did an interview here with you. Yeah.

But he didn't tell you how in his fucking sleep he would play these riffs. And I'd come down the hallway because, you know, as I see it, of course, not as they see it,

but as I see it, we were up in New England and he was playing at a place and I mowed the lawn at my parents' place and I had quit my last band and I was playing at a place and I mowed the lawn at my parents' place and I had quit my last band and I was fucking a luh-hoo-zer. I was crying. I was in no more bands. The dream was over. He drives up in an MG, we go and he's playing that night. I swear to God, this happened.

And so we decided to move down to Boston, but all in an apartment because I thought, I knew why those bands didn't make it, but I knew in my heart that if I had a bro in a band, like a Mick and a Keith, like the Kinks, Dave and Ray, any of those bands, it was two guys that were really tight. They'd feed off each other. They'd fed off each other, exactly. So we moved was two guys that were really tight. They feed off each other. They fed off each other. Exactly. So we moved down there. I got really tight with Joe. I'd hear him. He'd get,

we'd get so schwacked. We'd, so stoned on Boone's Farm. You know, and we'd, I mean, fucking, I'd say,

what do you say? What'd you say? Anyway, but he would play these licks. They were so fucking, for every song you've ever heard, Sweet Emotion, every one of those licks, Walk This Way, there's 20 that got lost in the ether. Right. 20 that got lost in the ether. So I went out and bought a little thing called a tape recorder back then.

Remember, this was 71. A lot of shit was in it. No phones, no cell phones. So, I would record that shit. And so anyway, where we're going with this? That's where these songs came from. And stuff would come out of my head while I was

like, sweet emotion. Wait, whoa, fuck. Get me paper and pen. I'd write that shit down. Suddenly, whoops, on the radio see so I use that place that you get, you go to when you eat edibles

do you ever write some of your routines when you're on edibles? well there you go and also, check this out, the best part of it is when I got sober I started writing even better shit I'd go in a room with four guys and say, we're going in to write a hit. We're going to stay in this fucking

room until we do, or until we can't stay in each other's smell. And we would leave in seven hours with a fucking song. And a good one. And one that would live way past all of us. Check that shit out. What did it feel like when you did have these drunken stone moments when you came up with a song like Sweet Emotion or a riff, and then all of a sudden you're listening to it on the radio? How fucking surreal is that? What is that like?

I remember we used to go up to, first of all, most of our first stuff was recorded down in Hell's Kitchen in New York at the record plant. John Lennon had a studio upstairs, and we were down in Studio A with Jack Douglas. So we went from there for the 70s, and then end of the 70s, I had done every drug on the planet that I could because I thought it was cool and if I didn't I wouldn't be cool and those were the kind of people I hung out with you can't do that dude you ain't fucking shit man so

then you get early 80s totally foobar 84, 85, 86 what was 80s coke? a lot of the hard stuff yeah 70s so 60s and 70s What was 80s? Coke? Uh, a lot of the hard stuff. Yeah. 70s. Snorting heroin, snorting coke. So 60s and 70s was?

60s was weed, right? Drinking, getting jiggy with the, you know, with the stuff that was happening with the English invasion, listening to Elvis and checking your shit out. Right. You know. Then what about the 70s? 70s, finally. you know um then what about the 70s 70s finally so well 65 64 i started i was a drummer in a band at school you know with a school drummer right then i bought a set of drums because i wasn't

getting looked at and getting made fun of and called you know lippo and lippowania and and got beat up after school. I thought, if we get a little band together, play at lunch, that'd be really cool. We were called the Maniacs. So we played at lunch, and I went, holy shit, Marcia Resnick is talking to me now. Holy shit. And I feel cool. You remember her name? Whatever.

Isn't it funny? There's always one girl from high school. Jill Ells cool. You remember her name? Whatever. Isn't it funny? There's always one girl from high school. Jill Ellsworth. That was her. And she looked at me. And no one did before. What's no different than any other human? So then 65, 66, 67, Chain Reaction, 68, The Strangers.

69 was Woodstock. I went early and left three days later. I still have a left three days later. I still have a Coca-Cola cooler. The day it was over, okay, we tried to start with the car and too much water got in the gas. We couldn't get lost. And everybody left and all their tents and all their sleeping bags were just left there. Hundreds of acres of tents.

There's no pictures of it. I walked around and I thought, you know, so I stole a Coke cooler. And I still have that to this day. You still have it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Was it from Coca-Cola? It was a Coca-Cola cooler that you brought your shit in. Just, you know, with an opener on the side, you know.

But I remember walking down this path. It was called Groovy Way and I stole this banner off the trees which we used for Aerosmith in the beginning I had these girls duplicate it so it was two guys looking at each other smoking a joint and that was the Aerosmith thing in the beginning

but when I was at Woodstock I'm walking down Groovy Way, and it was where Ken Kesey and the magic, the pranksters, they had all their buses. So I'm tripping on acid, and these helicopters are coming by with 500 pounds of hot dogs, and they're dropping them. They're dropping them in the field, and you hear this. And I shit you not.

And then another giant pile of pots and pans to cook the hot dogs I mean it was a disaster area Woodstock you know this right? yeah so I grabbed the pots and pans and I started

and some other guy walks over, and he's going... Another guy comes over, and he starts doing this. By the time I was done, an hour later, there was 50 people banging on every pot there was there. That was a moment. And then when I got up from that, tripping my ass off, I walked down a path, and walking towards me was a moment. And then when I got up from that, tripping my ass off, I walked down a path and walking towards me was one guy. And it was Joey Kramer, my drummer, who I knew from high school, but that I met there.

Later on to become, I was the drummer for Aerosmith in the beginning. So move forward now, 60, 70. All the bands that broke up, I went up to Sunapee. now, 60 to 70, all the bands that broke up, I went up to Sunapee. I was mowing the lawn at a place called Traurico, my family place, that I did my whole life. That's what I do. I'm a country boy. 360 acres that my Italian family bought. They came over from Calabria in 1890, five brothers that were musicians. So they worked in New York City. They made a little money. So for four grand, they bought 300 acres.

So every year of my life when I was born in fucking 1948, I mean, it's like, what, how? You know, I know I was 70 a couple months ago, but I feel like I just, when people would say that, it was like, what? My daughter, Chelsea, would say, it's a big one, Dad. You got to stay here. We got to celebrate it.

And I have no concept of time. I feel like on one hand, I've lived 300 lives already. On the other, I feel like. It just happened. How does that, what's that number? Right. That's a fuck of a big number. Does it feel like it just how does that what's that number right that's a fuck of a big number does it feel like it just happened oh it definitely like you you look back and think of like aerosmith's first gigs and feel like god that just feels like a couple of years ago a couple years ago a couple years ago well that's the thing about aerosmith okay so we

went up in sonica he drove by in his MG and his glasses with white tape in the middle like, fuck, I'm telling you, man. Hair down to here. Come on, man, come hear my band. So I went and heard him.

It was a Joe Perry project. No, it was the Jam Band, Joe Perry Jam Band. And they were, they only had one song and it was good. I won't get into it,

but, because they couldn't, you know, they weren't in tune and shit. But they played Rattlesnake Shake, you know, by Mick Flewitt, you know, Flewitt Mac. And when I heard that, I sat there and I went, life flashed. All the bands that I was in that I broke up, I know why. And I knew that if I take all the shit that I know and put it into that and try to

carve that shit out, if we can live together, smoke weed together, fuck girls together in the same apartment, we'll have it. And all I want to do is get my fucking toe in the door. That's all I ever wanted to do. If I could just get into the comedy club, look into my eyes.

Yeah. I know that feeling yeah yeah so we moved to boston and i'm the drummer and one day ray to bano a guitar player at the time walks in he goes yeah i got a friend of yours because i didn't really want to play the drums you're behind everybody you know you get off. Your wife wonders why you're not on the cover of something, right? Because I want to be the lead singer. Because I want to get laid. Well, what do you want to do? Well, Tommy Lee was the drummer.

Oh, well, he had a fucking 12-inch cock. That helped. Okay, that helped. He's a good-looking guy, too. Hi, my name is Tommy Lee. Right. What? That helps.

But they have to see it first to know. And believe me, he showed it. We used to, we were up in Vancouver doing our best records. And Nicky Six, dear friend of mine, he was in Maui with me. And I said, you know what, man? We've got to climb to the top of that hill. You've got to stop smoking, and we did. We climbed to the very top of the hill,

right above New Beach, Little Beach and Big Beach. Anyway, it's like this. He was like... So we quit smoking, and he got sober. We went to a meeting that night and everything. I got up to Vancouver, and they're in Studio B, we're in Studio A.

He's with Bob Rock. They're producing this album called, I don't know what. They asked me to sing on it, and Dr. Feelgood, right? Yeah. And the fucking record, it was one of the first times musicians, when you get your shit put on Pro Tools, and it gets fixed, it was one of the first times musicians,

when you get your shit put on a Pro Tools and it gets fixed, it ain't you anymore. Right. See, I'm from the old school where if you practice and get good,

you're good. Right. So what you did at the comedy store the first time, you could do in your basement in front of your kids and be just as good.

So- Don't you think? Yeah. So Pro Tools for musicians, it's like- It makes you good Yeah It can take your

Your vocal And fix it Right It can take your drums And fix it to a grid Does that bother you? Dootch dotch Dootch dotch

Right What are you gonna do about it? But it does make the music sound better But Yeah but listen to Charlie Watts Right right He drags so beautifully In Keith Richards

But that was my point Like is it Is there There's something missing from that right? Well yeah Like the soul's gone Yeah Charlie Watts. Right, right. He drags so beautifully. And Keith Richards. But that wasn't my point. There's something missing from that, right? Well, yeah. The soul's gone. Yeah. Because now it's computerized. And even though it's really good, it's still not the same as listening to James Brown. Just think about this.

Yeah, they got a new song, each band. Right, right. But yeah, if they're all using Pro Tools and fixing shit, yeah, it's the same sound coming out. Now, maybe a different singer. But it's the same sound coming out. Right. Now, maybe a different singer. But it's the same feeling, right? And by the way, you can do it really professionally. In my eyes, some of my dear friends, Marty Fredrickson, Nuno Betancourt,

these fuckers get behind it and... Ready for your vocal? Yeah. Yeah. We'll come up with a... Hey, J-J-Jaded, you got your mama style, but you're yesterday's child to me.

Done. Recorded. They move it there. They move it there. They move it there. They got the drums. They go, listen, you think we got a song? And I go, you think?

That's how easy it is. Right. That's how easy. And I've done that many times. Do you miss the raw, no changing, no adjusting, no enhancing? No, no, no, wait a minute. I've done that many times. Right, of course.

I've taken, like, what did I do that on? Pink. I'm down in Florida. I'm at the Marlin Hotel. I'm living in a room. I'm sober, as can be. I'm living in a room I'm sober As can be

When I say that That means Like When the sun went down I turned the light on And it started raining Pink Is no

You know My new Obsession Pink Ain't even No question Pink On the lips Of your lover ain't even no question pink on the lips of your lover

pink what you will discover and I think that's how it went. So I did that until the sun came up and I turned the light off. So I used that time period at night for the whole album.

That whole album was, I wrote everything at night. I would get so tired, I'd feel stoned. And I would write. And then I would take the lyrics of Pink, and I wrote seven verses, which only needed three. But I wrote seven. Aerosmith's biggest secret. Wrote 21 songs.

Only put 14 on an album hello pick the best out of 21 right you're gonna have a good album right that's like you going somewhere for three months writing your new fucking skit

your new skit and you get you hit on you doing your edibles or whatever gets you off you hit on three fucking incredible things yeah

you write them through you come back and if you want to you hit on three fucking incredible things. You write them through. You come back and if you want to, you can do all three if you want to. On your worst day, the worst one is great because you're Joe Rogan. You already know what good is. You know what funny is.

You know how to make that, you know how to weave something together. All right, so I put, and this would be four Pro Tools, a thing called ADATs. And so the guy we're working with says, sing that chorus. Sing that verse. And so we already had the chorus.

I sang that verse. He just put that verse in or where all the verses go. And I listened back and I went, fuck, we got such a great song here. That's how I use Pro Tools. I don't use it to manipulate. I'll never fix my vocal. But your vocals, there's something about your vocals that you wouldn't enhance them if you fixed them. Like you have a raw, soulful quality to your voice that if you fucked with that and digitized it, you'd lose all of it.

to your voice that if you fucked with that and digitized it, you'd lose all of it. I mean, I'm sure they can do some things, the real artists with Pro Tools and move things around, it'll still sound amazing, but there's no errors in your singing. You know what I'm saying? Any crackle or pop, it's just going to be better. Yeah, when do you learn that? You feel that. I thought as an adult, as a person who doesn't look for perfection you just look for beauty you know perfection is not beauty no I mean it's it's an unattainable thing chase it and you can get

excellence and what's wrong with America right now is everybody's trying to look for that perfection and stuff fat in their ass yeah that too yeah yeah but there is no perfection in fact there's an imperfection beauty and imperfection so listen to the first album some of my first songs it comes once a day on the shade of my window bullshit

so I'm watching Janis Joplin and I went what the fuck take a look Mick Jagger and fucking Little Richard. The one, the Beatles. I just went to a party.

Me and Bobby McGee. You know, Paul's daughter texts me all the time, you know, and she's beautiful. Fucking line of clothes beyond belief. And she goes, dad's having drinks. Come on over. Uh-oh. So this was three nights ago. Come on, drinks fine?

Come on with a fat bag of Coke. You can smoke a spliff all day here with 10 bags of Coke and I'll watch you. I just don't do it. I understand. I got that strength. You know what I'm saying? Thank you, Lord. Thank you, God.

I appreciate it. So I walk in and it doesn't mean I don't want to do it while I'm watching this one and that one do it. I get it. I don't want to crawl up her ass. My friend Doug Stanhope says he's waiting to do heroin right before he dies. Oh, it's fun. I heard it's amazing. Well, think about it.

When do they give you morphine? Right before you die. No, no, no. I don't know what that drug is. They gave you something like that, right? They've done that, too. When do they give you morphine? When you're in pain.

Exactly. Yeah. And what human isn't in pain all the fucking time? A lot of people are in pain all the time. Those that can't get their shit together and at night they go home and they jerk off and then they drink a beer and they smoke.

You know what I mean? Right. It's a little hard for people. They don't make enough money. They vote for Trump. Whatever the fuck's going on in America right now, I can't figure it out.

But a lot of people, like I was when I was younger, are in pain. Yeah. Girlfriends leave you, you're in pain. That white picket fence and that and the one and the wife 18 years she leaves you you got two kids i'm in fucking pain

i'm in pain so what's the best thing to do is that the best thing to do though no it's not but that's why people do it what is the best thing to do when you're in pain well we have to be a little bit elevated as humans to know what to do in that case You listen to people like Marianne Williamson. I Don't know who she is, you know, she's fucking brilliant. Do you know who she is Jamie? She is fucking spiritual No, she's just a spiritual person. Oh, she's spiritual. When I got sober, I started listening to her tapes.

I'd get on the treadmill in the morning, you know, because I can't even, I don't even feel alive unless I'm out of breath. That's what I get for being a musician. I lose a pound a night on stage sweating with Aerosmith, right? I'm up there with, standing next to fucking Joe Perry, really. The last of the real rock stars you stood across from him it's a bad motherfucker I don't know if he was

stoned with you but he's when I get text messages from him like holy shit I fucking a text and I saw him in the beginning and I knew he was that he's something special I knew he was that he's got a he's got a recognizable there's like certain people that have a sound you know and joe has he absolutely has a sound you know as a sound gary clark jr like you hear gary clark jr play guitar you go okay that's a gary clark jr riff you know there's certain people that have a sound joe most certainly has a sound it's like he's expressing himself through that guitar in a very recognizable way.

You know? You two together, man. What a fucking combination that was with his guitar and your voice. God damn. And here's the trip. In the beginning, you know, the first album,

people have said, who's singing on the second album? Because on the second album, I kind of sang like that. You know, kind of like that Pee Wee Herman. Mmm, chocolatey. I kind of sang like that you know i kind of like that peewee herman chocolatey i kind of fucking i gotta put that because i want to sound black what the fuck i'm not stupid i get it i wanted to put some fucking soul soul in my voice i knew i had it and try to force it out no no no What I learned was, you know, like from Nat King Cole.

This is the kind of music I listened to when I was a kid. When I met Natalie, I walked up behind her and I went, chemo, chemo, stare, stare. My, my, ho, my rum stick,

a pump, a nickel soup, bang, nip, cat, bottom, itch, cameo. I love you. She went, no one has sung that ever to me except my daddy. It was his dad's past, obviously, way before. But those are the records I listened to.

That was Nat singing his best shit. So you wanted to recreate that. Well, here's what I wanted to sound. I wanted to sound more like Joe Perry was playing. And singing really sweet and nice. Isn't it dream on? It's sweet and nice. I kind of went there when we wrote a song on a waterbed.

Joe Perry and I were sitting around smoking a Big Fatty, and Mark Lehman was there. He was our road manager, and Joe goes, I'm looking at him. And that was a sentence. He spoke to me. Right. And I said, we all live on the edge of town.

Well, we all live in a soul around People start coming All we do is just a grin Say we gotta move out Cold city moving in See what I'm saying? Right. So he spoke to me.

And you I answered. Translated it. Yeah. I would listen to We would sit around And we would jam. That's what we did the best.

And we would create this music. And I would put the headphones on later because I'm the lyricist and I wrote the melody. I see when I heard Joe's band, I thought, I'm going to take my dad, Vic Tallarico, who went to Juilliard in New York

and I grew up in the Bronx, 5610 Netherland Avenue, 6G, the apartment. And I grew up under the piano, and I listened, and my dad would practice every day on a Steinway. So who lived between the notes? Joe. You know what I'm saying?

I love your names, Joe. I just love Joe's. Fucking love Joe Perry. Fucking love. You know, he's my bro. You go, hey, Joe, what the fuck, man? It's always been that. Fucking love.

You know, he's my bro. You go, hey, Joe, what the fuck, man? It's always been that. So, but anyway. So I took my melody, and you know what I hear when I listen to him playing? Whoa, shit. So when you guys did your second album, and you did that sort of affectation, is that how you would call it, of your voice? Mm-hmm.

Did you, after you heard it, and you listened to people talking about it, did you decide to change it for the next album? Wow, that's cool. I did just go away for a minute, didn't I? Yeah. I love it when I do that. Yeah. The melody that I learned from my dad

and then listening to the music we listened to, you know, Dorsey and Frank Sinatra and Nat King Cole and then Janis Joplin and the Village Fugs, who were the first ones to put on the back of their album, Lunatic Vagina. That's who sang the song.

It's 61. The Mothers of Invention. Wow. These fucking bands. And I went, what? So I thought singing really like my dad taught me in the notes and right on and you know c d e f g a b c you know whatever the fuck you know wrong wrong wrong you gotta not only that but if you don't put inflections into it there ain't no feeling

and there ain't no meaning i got to love you like i do last time baby whoops right you know where you say it but you have to feel it it can't be something you're trying to feel it's got to be something you actually feel does that make sense yeah but i think you know joe hats off to him man um the way he played his guitar practice at night he'd not out he'd be sitting in his chair and the chair the couch caught on fire i walked in with a pot of water and he's laying there ropes full of smoke i went joe what the man yeah he's playing this riff and we turned it into a song. This kind of stuff happens so much. And he did it awake, too. I mean, fucking A, obviously.

Tom Hamilton. Sweet emotion. That's how a band comes together. And I can't tell you any other way than that magic. And every inch of the way, the reason it doesn't feel like I'm 70 and I don't feel the time and it feels like yesterday we just started is because every time I'm on stage, I'm singing those same fucking songs again. Same way.

Same feeling. Same looking. Same people. Different people. Different people. But I'm singing those same songs. Do you know the guy that's looking? Anyway, so to answer your question,

second album sounds a little bit more raunchy, more in tune with Joe's guitar. And I think we found our sound second album. Third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th, 11th, 12th. We got it. But it took that. First album had songs on it like Walking the Dog

because we ran out of songs that was song we played in clubs i remember we had a contract what are we going to do so we wrote moving out then the guys would get stoned and drink boone's farm and i go come on you guys we fucking wrote this song fuck you and flick their joint at me so i remember getting pissed off walking out they hate me when I tell this story, but I remember being really fucking angry, walking out to this piano and writing. One Way Street.

I don't play guitar. And I wrote, make it, don't break it, first song on the first album. Some great shit, because I feel like, you know, in anger, you know, I didn't know what to do, but I just, but I used that. So I wrote a bunch of songs and I think it lit everybody's fuse. I think that

Joe certainly lit mine. Tom Hamilton in his outtakes, as he called them, sweet emotion. That's Tom Hamilton. Now through throughout this whole whole time were you exercising back then? did you do things to move around back then? or were you just living life? because you say you're always trying to be out of breath you're always doing things physically

no no what I'm saying now is like when I started getting sober I thought fuck I gotta treadmill and I got into shape and you didn't do that before you got sober? no because we were on tour three shows a week. I was 127 pounds.

I was just, you know, skinny mini and just trying to, there was no MTV. Right. We had to play by, just check this out. You want to wonder what drugs I took and why. People get enamored by that, but take it out of the picture. We got high. I got high because my manager was getting stoned too they loved it when bands were stoned because they could hand us a piece of paper and we would sign

it oh 50 of all of our publishing thanks pal and words like in perpetuity he's fucking managers back then i can tell you the dark secrets please do you. You do? You want to hear it? I do. I just told you. The dark secret is they'd get you high and get you to sign contracts. We all got high together. Right. But they knew when you were good and fucked up, you know, here, sign this. No.

All managers loved it when their bands were fucked up. Think about it. Hendrix stoned out of his fuck, here, sign this. Yeah. John Lennon thought, what his name the new broom when he got a new lawyer and Paul was with with Linda you know it's it's what happens back then you get you happens today too right I mean the record business has been that way always because artists are impulsive and they're not business-wise and people people come along and exploit that. Yes. Very impulsive.

Yeah. To think of what it takes, if you study this for a second, what does it take for a bunch of guys? We're not in love with each other. We love, I love, I really love what you just said.

What's your name again, young one? Jamie. Young Jamie. I love what you just said. Can we talk after this? Can I, tell me that again so I can write it down. See what I mean? You know,

so get five guys together. Right. That love what each other's doing. I love the way Joey Kramer plays. Brad Whitford plays guitar like a madman. Joe Perry, Tom Hamilton, you know,

to love what these guys do and then write songs. Who are we? Who are we? We're fucking, and writing songs for 48 years still. When I turn on the radio one, I hear a sweet emotion. And I hear that fucking song, I don't, what is it? I don't want to kiss your thing. No, no, I don't want to miss a thing. I just fucking hear, I still turn around and hear that old shit. What magic we had. What magic it takes for David Grohl to sit down and do his scribbling.

He's a fucking, for as old as he is, he's 12. I love, when I walked into Paul McCartney's party, you know, what's his name, was walking out.

Where's Amy? Help. Dr. Dre was walking out. I walked in and there was ringo and it was you know oprah and there was i mean everybody that i live on maui so i live there with uh you live in maui oh yeah really but you don't get what do you say man no because everybody thinks maui is maui wowee back in 72 thinks that. Everybody thinks that still? Well, I don't know. In 72. I think they don't think that anymore. I could buy a case of Maui Buds and have it sent right to my house. I did it all the time.

From Maui. It was called Maui Waui. I've heard that name before. Anyway, everybody thinks. You live there right now? I live there right now. Where's that live? Okay, look.

That's got to be beautiful. I'm in an old-fashioned band. We all get paid the same. You okay? Oh, what? An old-fashioned fucking band. Who does that? Today, you got Rihanna.

How much do you think she makes a night? And the dancers? I don't think about it. Compared to? Well, this is a big difference. Rihanna compared to the dancers. And the dancers. And you and Joe Perry. Well, with a band big difference. Rihanna compelled all the dancers. And the dancers, and you and Joe Perry.

Well, with a band, we all get paid the same. Right. When I took Idol, ka-ching. Started making some paper. Get that paper. Fuck. Yeah, is that why you did it? Everybody made fun of me.

But believe me. Did you do it just for the money? No. But, no, you know why I did it? Why? Because I thought nobody knew who I was. Everybody knows this guy. Singing.

Nobody knew you as a human. And nobody knows this guy. Oh. So you wanted them to know you as a human. My mom's passed away, and she said, you know, they need to see that side of you. You as a person. But you decided that American Idol was the best way to show that?

I thought that was the first thing. What else was... I had no managers back then that had the good sense to offer me anything. I got the offer from Marty Fredrickson. How long ago was this? I don't know.

How long have you been on this for? 2010 and 11? 11 or 12. I got to sit next to J-Lo and Randy Jackson, that motherfucker. A beautiful guy. And J-Lo. J-Lo's beautiful, too.

You know, what us men need, I think what everyone needs, is the word called incentive. Right? Is it harass? It was harass at the time. I'd look at it all the time. But she'd say, you're harassing me. And I'd say, who's ass?

Her ass. Yeah, I know. But the funniest fucking thing is we would do all three of us. And I think that's missing now, but all three of us, you know, to do American Idol, you got to go to Des Moines, Iowa and in a gym and you're all set up with a whole crew and, you know, three people with these microphones, you know, 12 foot mics hanging down over your head like this and 12 cameras and high def up your up wazoo. And 50, 40 people a day would come through. All these 16-year-old, 17-year-old little trollops with red lipstick on and push-up bras and going, To dream the American dream. Get out of here.

After the 30th, 40th one, you're sitting there doing this. So you need that incentive from each other and sometimes it will get so it was just shit burnt out after the 40th person 50th person but that's what people like though there's something about american idol we like really talented people but we also like people who are delusional yeah and we trust me it took me about two weeks to get into it because I told myself, I am never going to tell some young girl that can't sing that she can't sing, get the fuck out of here. Right. Like that other guy.

You know what? I don't like- That Simon guy? Yeah, Simon. I don't like your music, besides which it's country and I don't like country. I heard him say that. That seems not appropriate. But that's also foolish.

He's a weird case isn't he because he's not a singer well you know what he's whatever he is i said i'm singer how can i say that to a girl it's going to be right there may be some days breastfeeding her baby and wants to sing maybe she wants to her baby's sick and she's sitting at the on her bed on the bed and wants to sing but jlo told her she can't right i didn't have it in me i'd rather like well you shouldn't have it in you i mean that's his shtick right his shtick is to be a mean guy yeah and people like that they like that mean guy they would they would say to me you gotta be come on man take it up a notch say that that the producers producers you can't listen to them they

don't know what the fuck they're doing they're the ones who uh they got me a couple times ago did they oh yeah they got you to turn it up and then you feel bad about it. Disingenuous. Well, you know, I mean, like, there would be moments where, I mean,

we were burnt. We were in, like I said, Iowa or some Texas. I'd look over and... The boom started going like this, right? And it started getting... in they would say number one because it was in the shot you know you know and then so i would whip out my a limerick you

know there was i'd go time for a limerick and stop everybody everyone would stop i'd say something like you know uh i once i met a whore from dallas She used a dynamite stick for a phallus. They found her vagina in North Carolina in her asshole in Buckingham Palace. And the fucking, you'd see the boom going like this. The place was just enough to bring it up and we'd finish tomorrow and we'd leave. But it was fun like that.

And it was a good payday. So when you're asking me to have a house in Maui, yeah, and I was made fun of for doing that. Well, who a good payday. So when you were asking me to have a house in Maui, yeah. And I was made fun of for doing that. Well, who made fun of you for doing that? Joe Perry didn't think it was a smart thing. He said, that's one step under Ninja Turtles. And he's my bro, and I read that, and I thought, what the fuck am I doing?

Joe, keep in mind, when I'm alone by myself, I went. Is he right? Well, no, I thought to myself, would Bob Dylan do this? Yeah, I had those thoughts. Right. Kind of fucked me up for a minute. But then I went. Bob Dylan doesn't have a house on Maui, does he?

No, I didn't have one then. But I wanted one. Got a house. How much money that guy's got? I'm sure. He's got a house everywhere. He's probably got a house on the moon. So I took Idol.

So you bought a house on Maui with the money from Idol. This is where we started. You have kids, right? Your youngest is what? She just turned eight. Eight. Okay. I have my two last kids, Chelsea and Taj.

We lived in Marshfield, Massachusetts. And when I could, I would take them to either Disneyland or World or Maui. Go to the Four Seasons and discover. Right? With your kids. Yeah. But every morning I'd wake up and I would run to the right and go all the way down to La Perouse and I'd run back. I think five miles down and five miles back. I always saw this house.

I thought, is that where? I didn't know who lived there, but I thought somebody's the lead singer in the grateful dead jerry garcia so i had rumor was he lived there i kept looking at it and it just it's this beautiful house but it was ridiculous amount of millions you know i don't have that you know you don't have that when you're in a band you share all the money plus management publishing and then that contract you signed when you're stoned i mean come on right so you're into mma yes what a slip what a segue right beautiful so i'm looking at where the fuck is my notes help me michelle i want to talk to you about aliens. Oh, really?

Yeah. Let's go with that. I heard you. Where the fuck is... You've got a lot of notes in front of you, man. You think? You have absolutely the most notes. I never even finished that week.

That's okay. Okay. We can do whatever you want, man. No, no. We're good, man. This radio is really important. She's getting... So...

I know. What the fuck, man? When did you compile these? This morning. You just decided that... Yeah, I finished the vocal last night at 11. Up at Nuno Bettencourt's house. Got to bed at like...

I couldn't sleep until 4. I'm going Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan. What the fuck? What the fuck? Oh, man. You're sweet, man. You're sweet, man. You're sweet, too. It's...

I mean, what a format. To talk truth. Not only that, when people watch your show, they know who's full of shit and who's not. For sure. After a while. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But the ones that are telling the truth? They know that, yeah and i think you're taking it up a whole shitload of notches well this is what you were saying about american idol like that before they knew you as just the guy behind the microphone like you sang songs that touched people and moved people for you she just put it right over there no give me that stack oh she wants a different stack okay yeah i'm, I'm sorry. It was a question. But even that, like this, having a conversation like this.

Yeah. There's just not enough of these out there. Well, there is now. Now there's more of them. Yeah. But for the longest time, you would never be able to have this kind of conversation because of the same people that would tell you to turn it up a notch on American Idol. There'd be producers around. There'd be people trying to fuck with things,

adding their direction. And this is my, the studio notes. We have notes. This is what we want you to do, Steven. You know, we want you to talk about this and stop doing that thing where you keep singing. People don't want to hear that anymore. What we want you to do is this. And for you to speak your mind like you do, your truth, What we want you to do is this. And for you to speak your mind like you do, your truth, and have someone across from you speak their truth in their words, in any language they want, and not be edited or audited is unreal. Isn't that weird, though, that that's unusual? Just think about it.

40 years ago, you couldn't say ass on the radio. I don't know if you can now. I think you can now, but. I hear a shithole on CNN cnn i watch you can say that you know don lemon don lemon yeah yeah one of my favorite guys you know for like three weeks quoting trump and shithole countries right it's great i went yeah turn the tv up well it is a new freedom in terms of that. But I think it's because of the internet. People are getting used to swears. They're getting used to people just speaking unedited.

They're getting used to uncensored video. They're getting used to things. Well, it's just words. Yeah. Because this uncensored behavior is way past the word fuck. Sure. The words are just representative of thoughts and intent, right? They're just noises.

It's like the best way to describe what's going on in your head is use all the words. Use them all. Use the ones that are really coming out of your head. Don't hold them back and give me some watered down version of what your real thoughts are so I have to decipher it and sort of put it through a filter and try to figure out what did Steven mean by that? God, I got so angry at the way things were going about, God, I want to say six years ago that I quit management. I got my lawyer, Dina LaPolt. You quit management?

To manage me. Well, I quit the management that was managing the band. Right. And they're also gone now. God bless. One of them passed away. Rest his soul. He was a good man.

And the other one uh didn't have a lot of good things to tell the band wrong direction all the time and now my band is with my management we're together a fucking gang so six years ago i would talk to people i go you know what fuck you i'm going on rogan next week. I'm going to fucking say your name. Wow. I mean, I just built a house up in Laurel Canyon. These fucking guys. I'd come home and I had a water wall. And, you know, this guy Lee and people would come and go, don't tell fucking Tyler. And I wanted to lean back so the water wall wouldn't.

Rolls down. Rolls down and wouldn't spray on the bridge that goes across? Not a chance. So after a year, I get there and they go, you know what? I heard him say, fuck Tyler. I'm just saying. So that's the kind of stuff I went, I'm on Rogan. You're fucking toast, pal.

That manager story is a story that you hear. I just heard it from a friend of mine. She was telling me about her manager was giving her shit advice and she just dropped him. Why are there so many people in management that give shit advice? Well, because out of 10 of them, two of them know the answers and they may be right. Yeah. The rest of them know how to play the game. If you read the book, it's easy.

To manage a band? You just got to tell them what they want to play the game. If you read the book, it's easy. Yeah. To manage a band? You just got to tell them what they want to hear. Yeah. Sweet talk them. Well, no, no. Be the guy in the suit. It's a hard thing to be a manager. To manage a band, it's even harder.

The hardest thing is to know direction, to look at people's feelings. Right. Know what they're about, why they're about. What guy in the band should do this interview, what interviews to do, which ones to do. Which ones not to do, right? Which ones not to do. Well, don't do any one where they're going to stop it in four minutes.

You know, those Tonight Show ones. Sometimes you have to. That's all they give you. You've got to take it. It just seems so fucking forced and fake and weird. Your book. You've got to sell books. This stands for me. I wrote a book it just seems so fucking forced and fake and weird your book this stands for me i wrote a book i was so fucking pissed i wrote does the noise in my head bother you right to people i would say that i go what the fuck's wrong with you what are you

talking about what do you mean did i write lyrics what did you do last night the guys would give me shit for not writing lyrics or finishing a song they're upset that you're writing a book no no no no no back when you're writing a song and being a band right yeah we're in the studio we put the song down you lay the track down and then steven's got to go and write the lyrics right well if i don't the next day they go what the fuck man say, well, I'm trying to get my wife pregnant. Okay. I have a life. I get it.

What were you doing last night? You know, but that's the kind of shit that happens. You get a lot of pressure on you. And then because they did that, I went and wrote Walk This Way, the lyrics, had them in my bag, finished the the whole record got in a fucking cab went to 351 West 321 West 40 the record plant in New York right got out of the cab

went upstairs went I got it and I fucking went white I left the lyrics in the cab the whole album and my producer goes we're doing Walk This Way tonight so I went upstairs took a pencil listened to the track like I did the night before And my producer goes, we're doing Walk This Way tonight.

So I went upstairs, took a pencil, listened to the track like I did the night before that I wrote the lyrics, and wrote them on the wall. And that's what happened. Whoa. But, you know, no one in the band thought I left the lyrics. Who the fuck has got those lyrics in that cab? Somebody. Everybody thinks you fucked off. The worst part, yeah.

The band went, yeah, right. You left the lyrics in the cabin. You know what? Maybe when you're stoned on coke, nothing's funny. It's really a suck-ass drug. That's why I avoided it. Good for you. Thank you.

Speed could get you. Well, you know what? A little bit of speed. To me. It seems like the move. Yeah, I brought you a little bit of speed. But this coffee right here. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's good. To me, it seems like the move. Yeah, I bet you it's a little bit of speed. But, well, this coffee right here. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

It's good. I can feel it. Downers for me. Look at you. You're shaking. I had stem cell shots. Put my shoulder today. Oh, come on.

That's what it is. Excellent. Did you really? Did they take them out of here? No. There's some new process they do. I'm in serious pain right now. Oh, man. That's why I'm shaking. Like, watch. I can barely pick this up new process they do. I'm in serious pain right now. Oh, man.

That's why I'm shaking. Like, watch. I can barely pick this up. I just saw. I thought, fuck, it's coffee. I'm doing it too. No, it's not the coffee. Look.

No. One, two. If you just caught me five hours ago, I'd be moving like a perfect something. Like something smooth. I'll be okay in a day. Yeah. What do I take for my feet? Gabapentin.

Yeah. Gabapentin. Gabap yeah. Gabapentin. Gabapentin? Gabapentin. It's a great drug. It's not, you don't get high from it, but it kills the pain. This is to alleviate some shoulder tears. I have some tears.

Look at the fucking size of you. Work out. Yeah, you can see. Yeah. Which is a great, so by the way, let's go quickly. Back to your book. Yeah. No, there's a noise in my head by you.

I wrote this, and I wrote you a little you wrote me something oh thank you man aren't I sweet you were very sweet read what I wrote you that's awesome man just remember

the less hair I got the more head you get okay the less hair you got the more head you get that makes sense you think

love Steven Tyler Steven Tyler yes what did I say you said Steve I think Love, Steven Tyler. Steven Tyler. Yes. What did I say? You said Steve. I think I said Steven Tyler. Let's go back. Tape it. I'm pretty sure I've never said Steve Tyler

ever, so. I don't care, but I don't. Thank you, man. I really appreciate that. If you put me down in the worst way, I still love you. I didn't do that. I'm just saying because because of the show and because of the trails you've left in life, I love you. I love you too, man that I'm just saying Because of the show And because of the trails You've left In life

I love you I love you too man I'm just telling you I've been a fan of yours Since I was a kid You're fucking monumental I love you man I love your truth

No no I just fucking love your truth So you're into Tell me about this Fucking shoulder shit Why are you so big You into wrestling and stuff Yeah

You're into wrestling You do your left hand Or your right No no no I switch it up. Mostly right. Yeah? Yeah, for that.

No. Are you into wrestling? Martial arts, yeah. You do? Yeah, my whole life. Jiu-jitsu mostly. Wow. But my shoulders are, they've got some issues from some years of abuse and tears and some

minor arthritis. And this one's been, apparently I had some sort of a separation on this one sometime in the past and I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of tears. So I've had some great success with stem cells. Mm-hmm. Mosaicimal. Mosaicimal?

How do you say it? Mosaicimal? Whatever. Anyway, stem cells. Yeah. I had that sucked out of my. Your hip bone? Hip bone.

Yeah. And they put it in my knee. I had a knee replacement. Oh, you had a replacement. I had that sucked out of my- Your hip bone? Hip bone. Yeah. And they put it in my knee. I had a knee replacement. Oh, you had a replacement? Whole thing. Yikes. It took the whole knee. You walk very well, though.

Well, it- What was wrong with your knee? It had a nine degree valgus. It was like this. Ooh, from- Because I had an ACL reconstruction. Right. I had both of those done.

Don't believe the doctors. Don't? Nine years. Nine years. That's it. For someone like you, nine years. No, no. I have one in my left knee that's 24 years old. And it's still working? Awesome. Wow, good for you. I throw kicks with it.

Well, maybe not everybody. It's all about meniscus. It's about the amount of cushioning and whether or not they do a good job replacing the ligament. But I had very good doctors on my left and right knee. Shout out to Dr. Gettleman. Wow. Good for you, man.

Mine, it didn't work. So it started going inwards. What year did you get it done? Don't forget what I... 98? Yeah. Mine was 94. I have a buddy...

93, actually. I have a buddy of mine who had one done, though, and his knee is really fucked up to the point where he is about to get a replacement. And he actually got a hip replacement on one of his hips because of the damage in his knee. Yeah, because if the knee is going in, then this is pushing that way. So it's going out. And I didn't know any of this shit. I just, I knew I couldn't take Vigodin or Percocet or any of that stuff. How long ago did you get your knee replaced?

Six years ago. I want to say. Yeah. It's rough. Five, six years. Now I got to get the right one done. So now I'm going to Europe with my loving Mary band. I got a country album.

So you need to get your right one done. Yeah. Because what's going on with it? Okay. The left knee never hurt. Right. But the right knee hurts. Never pinching, no nerves, no where, no how.

Right knee, it's fine. Except the right side. If it pinches on the nerve, it goes out like that. Right. I can't be doing that on stage. Right. Because you know Rolling Stone's going to be going, he's fucking stoned again. Look it.

Do you think they would say that? No, I don't. Sons of bitches. Rolling Stone's a bunch of different people, though. You can't really attribute it all to them. Yeah. No, I'm not worried about that. I'm just worried about it doesn't...

Are you sure that that's the only way to do it, though, if you talk to other doctors? Because what they're doing now with regenerative... Regenerative? Why can't I say that? Regenerative. Why did that one stumble? With regenerative medicine, they're able to replace meniscus and cartilage and regrow shit. You might want to hang on.

They're able to do some shit now where they can fix things they've never been able to fix before. And every year gets better. And I'm pretty close to the cutting edge of this stuff. Yeah, I've had a bunch of doctors on my podcast talk to me about it, particularly Dr. Neil Reardon, who does a lot of work down in Panama that they can't do in the United States yet. And he did Mel Gibson and Mel Gibson's dad, who was 92 at the time and on death's door in a wheelchair.

Now he's 100 and he's walking around. Yeah. I know about those people down there. I know about the people up in... Go. Go to Panama. Go to Panama. But Pennenberg is one name

that did my knee and my knee is so fine. You wouldn't believe it if you saw it. So it's fine? It moves good? The left knee is good but the right...

So pinches and I'm like, fuck, my knee just goes out. So I can't go on tour with Aerosmith jumping around like I do.

But there's other... I'm just saying I don't know how your knee is. I don't know what's going on with it. You gotta give me names. I will 100% give you names. But there's other – I'm just saying this. I'm going to check them out. I don't know how your knee is. I don't know what's going on with it. You've got to give me names. I will 100% give you names.

Good, good, good. But there's other options now. And it's one of those things where, according to the doctors that I've spoken to, the longer you can hold out, the more likely you are to never need surgery. Especially when it comes to replacements. They're able to do a lot with hip replacements now with Regenerate keen and so long Yeah The longer you can wait because what they're able to do now is different than what they're gonna be able to do in five years And in ten years and the longer you can wait the more likely it is they can regenerate tissue

Yeah, they're doing all kinds of crazy shit now with stem cells. Well now that they're in a lot. They're allowing it. Yeah, there's a guy alive That isn't a tel is into telomeres. Telomeres, yeah. That's your longevity gene. Sure. And he says that people that are like from the Lord high, people that,

you know, conduct bands, these silly guys and shit. Silly. Musicians. Right. Those silly fucks too. Silly music players.

Comedians. Right. People that are able to let a childish side of them out, those little Tollywog tails stay longer. Old people, they grow shorter. And he's close to finding that out. So I love today.

I love what's going on. I'm going to look into this. Yeah, please do. We'll talk afterwards. I'll give you some names and numbers and shit to look up. But so MMA. afterwards I'll give you some names and numbers and shit to look up but so so MMA yeah I'm looking at it and one of the girls that works for me said well that's the same thing as what you're into right now MMA for me I'm into MMA

hmm only music it's something no no it's something I got into in the last year with my lawyer Dina LePolt and it's called I got into in the last year with my lawyer, Dina LaPolt. And it's called, I'm sick and fucking tired of getting beat and ripped off for the songs I wrote in the 70s. And where's the money? Where's the money? It's not even a joke. It's not even a joke. And now that there's a format that's digital, it's even less of a joke.

You want to fucking go break into these buildings and take a gun and shoot people. Because they're not paying you. You mean things like Spotify and things like that? They're not paying you. Right. They're taking the money for plays of your song. They're giving you whatever. First of all, publishers.

You know what it's all about? 100 years ago, 50 years ago, 20 years ago, publishers take the money we make on toys in the attic. Millions, right? They keep that money for a year. They put it in the bank. They keep the interest. Right.

Then they pay you after they keep the interest. Of course. That's one of those. Remember before I said there this so many dirty things I can tell you how about us how about finding out managers by the first three rows of your shows and And get the money from the fucking promoter In their pocket brought to them in a paper bag You want to fucking go there that what it does is that what happened?

That's the kind of shit that no it's kind of shit that happens in a business so they buy the first three rows and then think of how simple that is think how simple they go up to the guy this is the guys assuming the show right if you have a 90 10 deal fucking great the manager goes and goes to the first three rows see you later or you don't get aerosmith wow or you don't get bob dylan or you don't get jimmy buffett and they're just depending upon those people to not tell you yeah i mean who's gonna tell you right you only find here's here's what happens you only find that shit out afterwards if you're going out with a girl that says i'm the one that brought the money back to him oh shit is that how you found out that's not how i found out somebody found out that way that's the story i heard oh let's keep it like that and that's the story this woman's

willing to talk about it oh but but the deal here's the deal you know you know i'd love to get angry as shit about stuff. I love that. I'm Italian. Are you kidding? You know what's so funny? I got sober, right? And they went, you have an anger management problem, Steven.

Once you got sober? Fuck you. You know what I mean? Here's the... You think when you get sober, you're off the drugs, your isms or wasms? Right. Bullshit. All the reason you drank drank for all the reasons

that you drank they come out even more right and then you have to manage all that shit but you gotta learn how to right that's a good thing

well exercise right well you know you just gotta read certain books P.M. Allity you know Codependency No More it's just shit you know shit

stuff spiritual stuff how to rise above your your abnormalities. It's not so good to smack your wife when you get angry. Definitely not good.

No. You got to learn how to manage that anger. For sure. Well, it wasn't until about, I got sober in 88. So you do the math. Because I had enough for those years, right? I was out of my fucking mind 81 82 83 so you got sober in 88 for how long over in 88 14 15 years then i had you know don't want to kiss

your don't want to miss a thing came out right and i'm up in i'm up in i know we're jumping around but this is a great show it's good to use these as bites you know right it's just to just talk i think so man we went up to a place where he'd never played so what i was getting to before a point i really want to make strongly no cell phones no mtv nothing right i used to buy these plastic stickers and i'm and i got to go around to each guy's room, 1325 Com-Ev, and ask him for 20 bucks. And we'd get 60 bucks. I'd get these stickers with Aerosmith on it. And I would put them on people's windshields, piss them the fuck off because they were really sticky.

And I'd put them where you throw the money when you go through a toll booth. Right? That's a good move. So everyone, whoops, what's that mean, Aerosmith? What is this Aerosmith thing? Where'd you come up with the name? We just sat around. You know, hookers, shit stains, jits.

You know, you just throw shit around. And someone said Aerosmith. Joey Kramer goes, how about Aerosmith? And I went, what the fuck does that mean? He goes, well, you know, I used to be in a band and we were called Aerosmith for a while. So there was another Aerosmith

before Aerosmith? Well, it wasn't. I heard from the drummer that was in Joey's band. It was just a really short-lived, you know,

club thing. There's an idea. So maybe there was a band that performed a couple of times called Aerosmith. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Who knows? Maybe. Are they alive still? Well, all I know is this i for all the names i heard and thought that's a good one i didn't see anything into it like i i have this knack of looking at someone and not necessarily remembering their face but but i feel you i'm it's like stupid how do i explain this it's a vibe it's like i'm like a transmute oh you don't have one of these no i don't guess you do i definitely do you do now i definitely don't you don't have this give that to me this well no i guess i'm fucked again okay leave that i that. I'm going to shoot that fucking thing.

But where the fuck were we? So when you kind of feel things, I feel, I don't remember. It's like Brad Pitt's got this disease. I don't know. Brad Pitt has a disease? He's got this thing where he can't remember people. It's propofibia. He can't remember faces?

Is that what it is? That's a good thing to tell people if you're Brad Pitt. Like, I'm sorry, man. I have a disease. I can't remember you. Because he probably meets so many people. They're like, Brad, I fucking met you 15 years ago. Starbucks.

You don't remember, dude? That's what people come up to me and say. Yeah, I'm sure. Steven, don't you remember? Yeah. Yeah, you say, I have Propofiabia. Yeah. I got it fucking written down. Everywhere. I know that. Everywhere but right here. I'm goingpo... Yeah, I got it fucking written down.

Yeah, everywhere. I know that. Everywhere but right here. I'm going to start telling people I got that shit. Propophobia. You can look it up, man. Look it up. It's ridiculous.

There it is. Developmental prosopagnosia. Yeah. Face blindness. Yeah, bro. That's what I got. Yeah, but... But, you know, not on a large scale,

but I'll meet people backstage and they, you know, it took me like 25 years to be able to go, you know, I just don't remember, fill me in on it. You know what I mean? It took me three years to... Do you know what Dunbar's number is? No, what? This is a number that you can keep of intimate relationships,

like friendships and close ties with people that you know in your head. And it's somewhere around 150, which they think is roughly about the size of tribes that people lived in back when we were developing. The human, your genes really take a long time to change. And they think that we essentially have very similar genes to people that live roughly 10,000 years ago. 10,000 years ago, that's essentially how people lived.

They lived in these small groups of people. 150, 200 people max. And that's stuck in your head. That's it. Then there was another million people here a million years ago. There was another million people? You don't think so? What do you mean? You don't think there were people here before the last ice age?

They went underground. Yeah, that's not... What? They went underground. Don't you think? I don't know. The Grand Canyon, those caves, shit, places. They went underground? I don't know. I think so. Well, I'm just talking about people, people. Just people, people that lived 10,000 years ago.

Okay, we can go back that far. It's just the number. This is the reason why you can't remember so many people. I like that. You believe that... What do you believe? I feel as though there were people here a long long time long long time ago i watched read graham hancock yeah reading in this time yeah um he makes a lot of sense that there's been

periods of you know massive loss of life and you know cataclysms and comets passing by yeah um i believe that we're... Have you not watched Unacknowledged? What is Unacknowledged? You gotta watch Unacknowledged. What is that one? Okay. You gotta watch Unacknowledged.

What is it? You gotta watch Unacknowledged. Is that that Stephen Greer movie? No. It is. It is? Yeah. Listen to me, man.

No? No. No good, huh? No. There's a fucking industry. And the industry is in people wanting to get mysteries solved. The great mystery of is there life out there. And nobody has any answers.

I did this show for sci-fi called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. And before that show, I was a hardcore believer in a lot of wonky conspiracies. Like Bigfoot and aliens. I just loved them because they seemed so interesting. I don't live in Bigfoot. You don't live in Bigfoot? No, I don't believe in don't believe bigfoot's the most plausible you think so yes wow why because there was an animal called the gigantopithecus that lived alongside human beings as recently as a hundred thousand years ago it was a real absolutely real animal okay and there's they

found fossilized bones these things and they they found teeth from an apothecary shop in china things and they they found teeth from an apothecary shop in china there was a real animal it was a gigantic bipedal hominid that was somewhere around eight to ten feet tall so this thing lived at the same time people did so this is probably the reason why there's this myth of bigfoot that at one point in time this was a real thing no but what about the what about that they're walking around now probably not that's what i'm most likely not that they're walking around now? Probably not. That's what I'm saying. Most likely not. That was what I was saying. I mean, I'm sure it was a giant, you know. Yeah, but there's, you know, a lot of people that-

So tell me about, about aliens. Tell me about- Most, it's a business. Most of it is a business. What about the, what about the Air Force General that said, did that tape, gave it to his wife, and said, don't put this out until I'm dead. Did you not feel as though when he was speaking any of that was real

you've seen that right have you seen that one yeah I've seen a lot of those there's a lot of former military people that say they've seen crazy things and it's entirely possible that they really did it's entirely possible but it's also possible that they're crazy

it's possible that they love attention it's possible that they're bored it's possible that they're schizophrenic it's possible that they have memories that they've concocted over the years and enhanced and it's gotten them attention and it's putting them in documentaries and it gets them interviews on television programs but that there's no evidence you know and the problem with all these people is they all have the same feeling about them and they're not there's very few of them that come across as rational and objective most of them come across as there's something wrong there's a there's wires that aren't connecting if you talk to them about other things in life

like if you had a chance to talk to them for a long period of time sit down with them for three hours ask them about ghosts and psychics and all kinds of other shit. They almost all believe in that stuff. They're believers. They want to believe in nonsense. I hear you. As soon as that crops up, I'm out of the room. But it's possible. I mean, not just possible.

It's 100% likely that there's alien life out there. Likely. 100%. I'm glad you said that. You're going to scare me for a second. No. I think it's more likely that there is. I just love that movie because it kind of had a nice thread through it.

That movie's horseshit. Okay. There's a lot of those movies that are horseshit. And that guy, he knows some of that's horseshit. Like there's a little baby that they had found that's an aborted fetus. They were trying to pass that off as an alien baby for a long time. But they have genome tests. You don't believe there were hybrids?

No. I don't believe there were hybrids. Can you tell me about the link between monkeys and us? Seriously. Well- Between the two frontal lobes and the brain of the monkey. Well, we are hominids. We are primates.

And we're just the most advanced primate. The real question is, how did we get to be so much more advanced? That's what I asked you. Well, it's more likely that we found fire and our diet changed and hunting and then the stoned ape theory which is a very fascinating theory the stoned ape theory is terence mckenna's theory that human beings found psilocybin mushrooms and that through the use of psilocybin mushrooms which in low doses increases visual acuity produces these ecstatic states that it might have helped us develop language and communication and creativity. And this in turn was the reason why the human brain doubled in size over a period of two million years,

which is the greatest mystery in the history of the fossil record. They don't know why they did it, but there's a very clear path. So you do believe the humans were here a million years ago? Humans? Well, whatever. Hominids? Some form of primate was here to a million years ago humans well some form is some form of Climate was certainly here millions of years ago as was deer deer were here millions of years ago Okay, it's a lot of animals didn't mean to drop you, please. It's okay. I don't know I feel that I feel like you know Just because there was an ice age that took apart that took it was a how many hundreds

100,000 years was the ice age? Well, there's been a bunch of ice ages, but the most recent one ended somewhere in the neighborhood of 12,000 years ago. That was nothing. Nothing, yeah. From beginning to end. And we don't know what caused it. Well, when the ice age exists, we have to remember that some parts of the world aren't experiencing the ice age. And then humans thrived in Africa during parts of the ice age.

I mean, there's a lot of human beings that live all over the world aren't experiencing the Ice Age, and then humans thrived in Africa during parts of the Ice Age. I mean, there's a lot of human beings that live all over the world. The real question is where they start, most likely from Africa, but they could have possibly started from some other places, too, and we're starting to learn that. Well, that's the Pangea thing, right? The people that are learning, no, not really. Why? Well, I mean, there's that, too, but I mean, mostly just people traveling. But what you really learn from is archaeologists. Those are the people

you learn from. And biologists, people that really understand the human genome. They really understand the differences between people that emerge from China versus people that emerge from Western Europe versus people that emerge from, you know, or Native Americans. I mean, there's so many different types of human beings that came from different climates and that their bodies evolved from these places. And there's real science to that. You're not going to get that from these goofy fucking documentaries. These goofy fucking documentaries are basically a business.

And the business is there's a bunch of people out there that want to know the answers. I get it. What is the truth? And so you get, I was aboard the secret UFO. I saw the magnetic controller that makes us travel through the cosmos and bend time and space it's like a wormhole and they'll say a bunch of sciencey sound and shit but there's no evidence there's nothing when they talk about there's nothing will you let what's david wilcox you know david no again another one that guy says that he

is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. Do you know that? Did you know that? Yeah, I've heard. Do you know who Edgar Cayce is? Yeah, of course. Famous psychic who never really figured out anything. Understood.

And thought to be a fraud, most widely by scientists and skeptics. Drinking too much Laudanum. Laudanum? Laudanum. Don't you think? I don't know. I don't know what he did. Everything was written and everybody was stoned.

Well, I think there's also... When you talk about the psilocybin mushrooms, opiates, Loudnum, the last hundred years, you get Loudnum. Loudnum?

Loudnum. Everyone was drinking that shit. Yeah, right. But look, I... Yeah, yeah. There's, you know, there's. Yeah, that shit was in that.

Japanese, they never left the island. Do a lot of Japanese have the same eyes, shapes? Yes, they do. Is there a reason? Well, there's a reason why. They didn't leave the island and come back after mating with anybody else. They stayed on that body of land. Do you think they're from aliens?

No, absolutely not. It's just that they stayed on that body of land. Do you think they're from aliens? No, absolutely not. It's just that they stayed on that plot of land. Sure. But wouldn't you agree that a lot of people from Asia look fairly similar? Yeah, I do. There's variations in the similarities, but they're similar. But I think it took millions of years.

That's my take. Look, I can't prove anything. No, they do believe it took millions of years. I always finish stuff by saying, I didn't see it. When I go out at night, Maui, and walk around, I'm dying to see a UFO. Me too. So are you. Everybody is. Because the second I see one, the second.

Right. That will make clear shit like, you know, the song I wrote called Back When Cain Was Able, way before the, anyways, about a mothership and shit. Way before I knew anything about UFOs. Did you ever see anything when you did psychedelics? When you did drugs, whether you did mushrooms or acid?

I never saw anything that wasn't there. For sure? I'm not that kind of people. I'm not the kind of people. Some people have though and the idea is that there are things that are out there in neighboring dimensions

that you're really not capable of accessing them. That's where the real aliens live. I don't know, man, there are things that are out there in neighboring dimensions that you're really not capable of accessing them. That's where the real aliens live. I don't know, man, but I just know that all these people that are pushing it, they all have this fuckery involved in all these people. That's a real problem. I hear you. Because it's fun.

It's fun. You want to believe, right? You want to believe that there's a general out there that's seen a spaceship that's under the mountain. Tell me about it, Mr. General. And he goes on a lecture tour. And you've got to pay money to see him. And he's in a documentary. And there's a lot of those people out there, man.

I live with it. I was backstage with Joe Perry. What did you do? Yes, my whole life. Yeah. So I get what you're saying. The wow of the thrill of the story. People love to tell stories. There's something inside me that says you know what they still haven't found that that missing link that between if you talk

to biologists and how the apes stood up because they're but they do they have they have australia pithicus fossils they have the things that were like us that are different from a long fucking time ago they have those and the size of the brain? Yeah. The two frontal lobes? The brain changed. It doubled over a period of two million years. I mean, that did happen. But they know what we used to be. There are simple hominids that were, or rather, ancient hominids

that are very similar to human beings, and they slowly became human beings. And there's also, they keep finding all these different versions of human beings. Like there wasn't just human, there wasn't just Homo sapiens and of course there was Neanderthals, but there was that, the one from Russia, what was that called?

That was in that book, Hominid. What is that? Dion, I can't remember though. It starts with a D, but it's one that they found very recently. Very recently. You find it's one that they've found very recently.

Very recently. You find it, Jamie? Yeah. Here it is. Denisovan. Denisovan hominin. An extinct species or subspecies of archaic humans. They're found in the 1970s by the Russian paleontologist Nikolai Oldov.

So there's been a bunch of different forms of humans. We're just the most successful form of human. The idea that it's just alien DNA connected with people, it's sexy. It sounds fun. But there's no evidence. I hear you. But isn't that what we are as humans? Well, we are mutations.

We are an ancient thing that slowly figured its way out. We became better at seeing things. We became better at hunting. We became better at harnessing fire. Where do you think free will came from? There's a lot of people that don't even believe it's real. They believe in determinism. They don't even believe that free

will is an actual thing. I mean, I've heard Sam Harris argue it pretty successfully that there is no such thing as free will, that you are an accumulation of your genetics, your life experiences, all the things that have happened to you,

the people that you've come in contact with. That's true. Behavioral. And that forms... Behavioral psychology, that's true. Think about your behavior.

Think about your behavior and how much of your behavior is shaped by millions of adoring fans and people screaming and cheering you on and singing songs that move people and literally change generations, give people goosebumps when they hear them.

All that stuff has shaped who you are. All that stuff changes who a person is. Who you are now and the way you behave now is in many ways shaped by your life experiences, as much as it is by your genetics, and you wouldn't be this person if you hadn't lived that life. And the decisions that you make from this moment on, right now, leave the studio and have a conversation with someone, will be shaped at least in part by this conversation. And mine will be my conversation with you. This is the idea behind determinism.

Okay, so I would ask, who said this? Who was into this? Well, there's many, many people that come up with this concept, but I've heard it. It was really argued to me by Sam Harris the most successfully. Wow. Interesting. I just wonder why then, you know, certain monkeys, certain breeds of monkeys, smart ones, bonobos. I love them because I'm a bonobo.

But, you know, they'll put a stick in something and pull out shilajit. But they haven't taken – well, wait a minute now then. They haven't gone past that. Well, do you know primatologists actually believe that chimpanzees have entered the Stone Age? This is one thing that's being considered now, that they've started use of tools on a regular basis. They think that they're learning from each other. And they think that if they are evolving, right, and if human beings evolve over a period of millions of years, we are actually watching chimpanzees evolve in real time. Well, I think so, too.

And it's a long, long process. It'll take millions of years. But they have entered the Stone Age. So they think that, who knows, with a series of mutations, with natural selection, with a bunch of different things happening, what a chimpanzee is today, most likely it will be a different thing in 2 million years. Of course it will. Yeah. I totally agree on that. Right. These intelligent animals, they're going to experiment with things.

Here it is. Macawks often use stone tools. Sure they do. Monkeys have been living in the stone age for 50 years. So for 50 years, these animals, just 50, okay? We're not sure about that. That's when somebody first saw them using the stone. True. Well, in terms of primatologists

observing behavior. I get you. So these archaeologists have uncovered stone tools they believe these animals have used. Or other humans. Yeah, or other humans. Because you can't figure stone out. Right. Now when you look, what do you think about when you look up and, and I, look, I don't know the answers. That's why I why i got my girls well i definitely don't know the answers either

again remember i just said i just repeat shit smart people figured out that's all i'm doing what about the stones that are cut up and not machu picchu but up and i know what you're talking about yeah those you know the laser cuts and well not laser but yeah very precise cuts yeah yeah whoever it was most likely advanced civilizations that have been wiped out by cataclysms. And that's what I'm saying. So my mind goes to, fuck yeah, we were here. Something was here. We went underground.

There's places, I saw movies of it, where you go into the mountain, you go back three miles in the mountain. Right. Have you seen this? Yeah, there are. The caves? Yeah, there's incredible cave systems. Three fucking miles back.

But there's natural cave systems. Giant rooms like this in there. There's natural cave systems in Texas that go back miles into the mountains. So I'm just saying, that's where my head goes with this. You know, ghosts, come on, that's your own fear. I don't know. But you know where you're talking about muscle shoals? Yeah.

The feeling in that room. There might be a similar feeling when a violent encounter happens in a house. That might be what a ghost is. What a ghost is, is might be this thing that you can't capture. You can't put it in a box. You can't weigh it on a scale, but you get a feeling when you're in a place where something horrible happened and you could feel it. It's not, it's not impossible to imagine that that's the case.

And Rupert Sheldrake was the guy that I told you believed that, and he's a scientist and some people would argue against it but that he believes that things have memory and then it's impossible it's possible that even this table has memory all the people that are sat where you sat i think it's got a vibe i'm not sure if it's memory you know it's got memory water nobody knows about that yet water right because it never goes anywhere you can never get rid of water it's true you can boil it steam and it goes up comes back down so i think when they find out the memory and water. I also got to tell you, for the billions of babies that were, this is terrible right now, strangled. People with their heads bashed in, murdered, wars.

Right. Billions were their ghosts. Where's that? Where's that energy? Where is that energy? Because in New York City alone, there were hundreds of thousands of people murdered. Maybe you feel it. That means apartment buildings should be going like this.

Not necessarily. Because maybe it's accumulation of all experiences, positive and negative. Maybe. And the negative experiences are outweighed by the positive experiences. For the most part, most of the time, life is pretty good. Most of the time, life is not filled with war. Life is not filled with cannibalism and murder and animals eating you. Most of the time, life is pretty good. Most of the time, life is not filled with war. Life is not filled with cannibalism and murder and animals eating you. Most of the time.

So most of the memories accumulated in these individual areas were probably positive. But sometimes the idea behind like haunted houses and shit like that is that something so extreme happened that the remnants of that experience are trapped in the very fiber of the room. I don't know if I believe it. I don't know either. It's not outside the realm of possibility. I don't either. Cause I'll tell you who thinks about it. Some human.

Yeah. That knew that. Right. Here's what I would test. I would find out somewhere that some unbelievable murder was taking place. Right. Don't tell anybody and let 10 families sleep in there. See what happens.

I'm sure they have wouldn't that be cool ghost shows you got more notes I do I just want to finish that thing about MMA

I want to ask you about Lil Tay yeah about Lil what who is it I did that for Jamie Lil Tay is a 9 year old shit talker

who flashes money and talks about her Bentleys and Rolls Royces fuck 9 years old 9 years old it's fake you know her parents talk her into it so sorry so but anyway mma for me is a music modernization act okay so about five about five six years ago dina lapolt and i just started

looking at that and she's beautiful blonde lawyer woman great woman very smart very intelligent Speaks over here Brandeis or somewhere She's my lawyer was my manager for the longest time But she and I decided to go to Washington and start flashing this shit around saying, you know What's fair and what's not why a musician is not getting paid, right? So I just thought MMA It's the same thing. Music Modernization Act. I won't forget this. I sometimes forget it because my, you know.

But that you can't forget. So to attain fair market value royalty rates and treatment for music creators in the digital era. The digital era right now is where if I, they can play my music because it's digital over air, you know. Right. And I don't get paid. The artist, fuck me. I got enough money. I'm the happiest guy on the planet.

I got beautiful kids. I go to sleep fucking with a smile on my face. I get to do Joe fucking Rogan. I'm happy. You just recognize injustice. I'm in a band named Aerosmith with Joe Perry. I'm happy as can be. But I look at these poor fucks that don't, you gotta hear this.

Well, today too, they have to give up merchandise, they have to give up a piece of their concert sales, they have to give up everything. Well, yeah,

that's what's going on. Because there's no more money in actual record sales. It's called 24-7 or some kind of bullshit like that. Some crazy thing where they have a piece

of everything to do. Because managers see it and they want your money. Right, well, they also realize that their avenue of revenue is gone. So then they locked on to merchandise, they locked on to ticket sales,

which used to be all yours, right? Yep. Like when you used to do concerts back in the day, you used to get paid for your record even if you got fucked over, you got some money from the record, but then you would get all the money for the concerts, right? But, well, not unless we were our own managers. 90-10 means we take 90 out 10 percent

of the games are there so you make 800 000 company gets it oh god that's different right isn't that a different thing well the record company gets gets publishing you know with all these digital outlets of course and then the then the record company company decides to give whatever is left to the artist, which is usually little to nothing. Smokey fucking Robinson, my dear friend. I go up to this guy and I go, I don't like you, but I love you. That guy. All these songs. Phenomenal.

This fucking guy went to the digitals, said, you owe me $250,000 with proof. They offered him for his music being played over the last five years. Why do they owe him that specific amount? Because he was getting nothing back. Nothing was coming to him. Okay. He's going, shit, the coffers are empty. You know, it says, what the fuck?

Right. I'm Smokey Robinson, right? I hear my music his music is covered by hundreds thousands of people The guy knew legally two hundred fifty thousand dollars was owed to him. Okay, okay He was offered 12,000 and he was said if you don't like it Sue us now Smokey You don't have that kind of money. So what we've done is—

How crazy is this? Smokey Robinson doesn't have that kind of money. You would think that Smokey Robinson should be just wealthy like a king. And this is not to say he's not. If he had no money at all, he's one of the happiest guy and his wife is his sweetest. And maybe he's attained something that you and i don't recognize yet or or the mass media but he's got something he's rich but when it comes to him getting paid actually for songs that's really fucked up so what did he do what did he decide to do uh i don't know

i don't know where it's going i got to talk to him but david israelite the president and ceo of the national music publishers association andina, we went to Washington. Imagine, this beautiful blonde and this fucking guy. Now we're in Washington and me, you know, saying, what's up with this? This money is going right out the window and not to the artist. These new artists are getting nothing. So we decided to do something for the first time songwriters will have representatives overseeing administration of mechanical licenses and administration so someone's now at least not

only can he complain but there's someone watching that goes no no you do in fact legally owe him 250,000 smokey come here sit down and for first time. So this is something we're trying to get past in the next, don't you think it should be that? No, I do think, you know, that's the reason why we're not on that. We're not on Spotify. And the reason why we're not on it is because it didn't make any sense. They were like, we want to put you on, it's going to be great for you. I'm like, how's it great? Yeah. You guys are going to make money. Like you guys are making money. You don't give us any. It's a, that whole streaming thing is this weird smoke and mirrors song and dance they put on.

You're going to be a part of something big. Yeah. But what are you selling? All you sell is artists work. You don't have anything to sell. Yep. And I say to them. And then the artists get paid so little.

So little. So where's the money going? Because there's all these. In their fucking pockets. They're public companies and they're traded and they're worth millions and billions. Like, where's all that money? Where's it going? What's generating it?

The only thing- And you need to say to them, what if I'm bigger than you are, motherfucker? Motherfucker. Wow. It all came out in 1909. 1909? What are you saying? The laws were written-

Check this out. In 1909- She's got you on track. I like it. And not paid attention to- Okay. Till fucking yesterday. Yesterday.. And not paid attention to. Okay. Till fucking yesterday. Yesterday.

I mean, you know, five years ago. So we're trying to get this shit going. The Music Modernization Act gains momentum in the Senate. Oh, Smokey Robinson. Powerful. Yesterday. Yesterday. Jesus Christ, Jamie.

You're on the ball. Wow. So this is it right here. I mean, you know, it's just. Yeah. Well, yeah. There's been some fuckery. There's been some legal fuckery. And, you know, it's just. Well, yeah, there's been some fuckery. There's been some legal fuckery.

And, you know, it continues. He created magic. This guy, I said to him, what do you mean I don't like you, but I love you? Seems that I'm always thinking of you. Where the fuck did you come up with that line? Like I've said to Paul, you know, what was this, you know? He says, well, I was sent new york to do some kind of publishing thing with lawyers and i was sitting in a hotel in new york right before i went in and i

thought i wrote those lyrics somehow him being a young black man with songs 50 years ago in new york with lawyers probably white not saying, he was put in a situation where he had the magic. He had the magic. He wrote in a paper, I don't like you, but I love you. Seems maybe the hate that he had for what was about to happen created the opposite. I don't know, but that's what he told me. He said, I was down there and waiting to meet my lawyers.

And I said, that? Let me let me ask you because you never know when when napster came along i fucking hated that prick yeah he stole my you see they started stealing our songs yeah great right take all the albums we've ever done take all the albums nuno betancourt make all the albums that fucking you know the rolling stones ever did put them in a box over there now all my friends can have access to that box right no one knows anybody can do it it's peer-to-peer everyone's sharing songs and i'm sure people are listening to me i don't say what a prick he's fucking rich old fuck right but what's happened is is it's become the norm well it's become the norm is that people recognize you can't do that with movies, right? They recognize that if you're stealing movies, it's illegal.

Like if you get caught with a BitTorrent account, you got a bunch of movies on there and you're letting people download them, you can get prosecuted. Yeah. Let me ask you, why so much for that and not for somebody's songs? Well, there is a thing with songs too, but it's just not as common. Right, Jamie? Is that the case? People have been sued for having tons of songs, right? Haven't they?

Yeah, but I think for sure the movie industry has gone after that. Yeah, they go after you. The movie industry has gone after that. Yeah, if you're dubbing their movie. Yeah. It's just songs, for whatever reason, after Napster became something that people think that you should just be able to get for free. Yeah.

And then you get Apple Music and Spotify. What's the other one? Spotify. What's the other one? Spotify, what's the other? There's another one? Tidal's getting in trouble right now. Who is? Tidal, the company that Jay-Z owns with a few other artists. They're getting in trouble for streaming too?

Faking streams and not paying people. I mean, think about some new band. My daughter, Chelsea, she's in a band with Jon Foster, her husband. They put something out, and it's fucking ridiculously great. Where's the money go? Well, this is what I'm saying to you. When Napster came along and then things changed, do you think that's when the music business really got crazy?

That's when they really said, look, we've got to start, we're not getting money from record sales anymore. We're in the record business. They can do this shit digitally. We've got to get a piece of that concert sales. We've got to get a piece of those tickets. We've got to get the merch. We've in the record business. They can do this shit digitally. We've got to get a piece of that concert sales. We've got to get a piece of those tickets. We've got to get the merch. We've got to get everything. We've got to solidify. We've got

to still make it a big deal. The pricks and the money grabbers from artists just re-thunked it. Yeah, streaming. They re-thunked it. And streaming seems like a more hostile version of it. But let me ask you, who do you think gets the money at the end of the day?

Somebody, executives. You bet your ass. It goes somewhere. You know, when I watch this movie called Vinyl, you see that? No, I haven't seen that. It's a documentary on whatever. It's on HBO. It's on HBO.

When it was out for a bit, Mick Jagger and Martin Scorsese, they did a pretty good job. They just got too into the character's brain going fucking crazy. Right. And not enough of what was really going on. It was the New York Dolls. Right. Mick Jagger's son was called

the squeaky parts or the nasty parts. And it showed the managers snorting below and thinking how they could fucking take this and that. It was so easy. All the money was coming into them. They were making deals where the nasty parts weren't even signed to the label fucking take this and that. It was so easy. All the money was coming into them. They were making deals where the nasty parts weren't even signed to the label.

But you hear that. They were signed to the manager, and the manager had a secret deal with Sony. But you hear that about boxers having shitty- Fucking everybody. Creepy managers. You hear it about musicians, comedians, everything. I hope there's kids out there right now listening to this

that want to become lawyers and say, it should be the wild, wild west with these guys. It should be a new type of lawyer. My uncle used to say, oh, really? You know another way when I would say things to him like, you know, what about these lawyers that took on a case, they find out after a year and a half, the case is still going on,

grand jury, but they find out that the guy that they're handling really murdered the girl. He's not allowed to speak. They're not allowed to speak. Because that's the way we are. Shit's got to change.

They can bow out, but usually they don't. You know, when OJ Simpson was caught, right? They chased him around. A dear friend of Aerosmith's,

when we got sober, we got sober in 88, the whole band did. We had a guy that'd come out with us every month. And we'd have meetings and make sure everything

was right, beautiful and cool. We're in Germany. How's everybody feeling? Go around the room. You cool? Yeah. Everybody good?

You feeling like you was in? Fuck yeah. Are you gonna know? You know, shit like that. Really cool guy. He was asked to go in and see OJ. Toxic psychosis. Out of his fucking mind.

He snorted so much coke and speed. Oops. Didn't mean to do that. Hold on. Who had toxic psychosis? OJ Simpson. He did? He snorted so much coke and speed. Oops. Didn't mean to do that. Hold on. Who had toxic psychosis? O.J. Simpson. He did?

My guy, he's passed away since. O.J. Simpson snorted coke and speed? O.J. Simpson? You don't think he was on coke that night? I don't know. You tell me. I didn't know. You tell me. Well, you're the one who brought it up.

It's not out there? I didn't hear that. Did you hear it, Jamie? Well, he was so fucked up. I never got that far in the documentary. Well, I can only tell you hearsay. Did I see him myself? No.

No. That makes sense. My guy was brought in there, and I'll tell you why. Because he was one of those AA gurus that the court system saw as somebody that if he says, Joe Rogan, he was on drugs that night, he didn't know what he was doing. And now the judge goes, okay, let's get him into rehab and he's not, you know, that's, that's, you know.

Yeah, but you can't do that with murder. Nobody's going to buy that. Toxic psychosis, you cut your wife's head off. They, he was on drugs. There's some kind of law. Anyway, the lawyers were looking to find someone to say that if he was caught. They never did a blood test on him. But my guy came out.

When he was arrested. My guy came out. He was in jail. Right. He came out and said he was fucking toxic psychosis is when you do too much cocaine or too much speed or too much anything. Right. You know. But he also had a history of domestic abuse.

He was very violent. That was very violent hit her a bunch of times and it could have just been that he went crazy and just stabbed her but didn't all his friends say he was doing blow all the time didn't that guy that he jumped out the window say he was selling them blow i don't know oh i do look it up i would have to um anyway so i'm just telling you sometimes these things do exist yes that's sad's a sad thing. What does that have to do with corrupt managers? I don't know. I don't know either. I'm not sure how I got there.

It's okay. What was I saying? What do you got, Jamie? The lawyers. The lawyers. Fucking lawyers. Oh, right. I was going to lawyers.

Fucking lawyers. So a lawyer brought in this AA guru, a guy that knows about drugs and says, hey, he was on drugs that day. It kind of softens the blow of the murder. He didn't know what he was doing. If he was convicted. If he was convicted. Right.

So he never, you know, look at, come on. So that was what they were going to probably use on appeal. Yeah, you know how lawyers are. To lighten the sentence. Lawyers will bring in, bring them in. Like right now, Trump won't say, I apologize to John McCain, because if he does, doesn't everything else he said then come into light? I don't know.

You tell me. That's a good point, but he never apologizes about anything. No, but so what? Just say he did now. He's got lawyers. Listen, I know these fucking lawyers. They tell him, no, no, no, no, no. Don't apologize now because if you do, it's going to shed light on all the other shit

you said about McCain. I don't think he listens. I think Trump does whatever the fuck he wants. I don't think he's going to shed light on all the other shit you said about McCain. I don't think he listens. I think Trump does whatever the fuck he wants. I don't think he's going to listen to any. He's a 72 year old billionaire and I don't think he listens to anybody. I think he does whatever the fuck he wants. Yeah. That's what I think.

That's the only thing that explains his tweeting and all that crazy shit that he says all the time. Perhaps. Yeah. I mean, that's just complete guessing. No, I know him. I knew him. Did you?

Yeah, fuck yeah. Does it feel weird that he's the president? Very. He called, okay, Amy, over there,

worked for his wife for seven years. And then I got her. And I was in Maui, sitting on on my bed and I get a phone call it's Donald she goes Jesus Christ it's Donald she hands me the phone do you say the Donald or just no she said it's Donald she worked for Ivanka I'm just kidding Melania okay she worked for Melania and the family for seven years okay um I get the phone call i pick it up i'm sitting down and i said we said hey donald because we i'd been down to mar-a-lago and offered money to do shows one-offs

for him and just stuff i've been up been up to his little castle and um he calls me up and I said, Donald, you can't use Dream On. That's for causes, not campaigns. And he did anyway. He did anyway. And I had to sue him. I got Dean to sue him. Send him a letter of cease and desist. So I've been through that shit. So I kind of know where lawyers live.

You know how this whole world's run by lawyers. And Donald's got 90 lawyers that are telling him what the fuck. Okay, maybe he's not listening. Right. But when everyone is saying, if you just say, John McCain is a fucking hero. If we don't see John McCain as a hero, then how do you expect any young people to want to ever join the armed forces? Because for everything they do and bullets they take, they're going to be laughed at by presidents like Trump. Right.

What the fuck are you saying, Donald? Well, he said something crazy like, I like soldiers that don't get caught. Some of the things he said. But they do. War is war. Who wants to? Soldiers don't get caught because they want to. Exactly.

So I just tell you that he's not saying anything because he's being told what to do. See, I think he just does saying anything because he's being told what to do. See, I think he just does whatever the fuck he wants. And if the lawyers tell him, Stephen says you can't play Dream On, he's like, fuck him. I know, that's what he did. He played with anyone, so I had to send him a cease and desist. Then he sends a letter and said, what? Well, I'm playing Kid Rock or fuck something.

What? He found a better song. What? He found a better song. Did he find a better song? He goes, I found a better song. I guess I'm going to frame it. Well, that's his thing. You know, he found a better song. That he found a better song? He goes, I found a better song. I'm going to frame it. Well, that's his thing, you know. He likes insulting people. And you know what?

I see how that, how people get off on his, what it is and this. I get that. Isn't he a president for this time, though? I mean, this is the time we were talking before the show about people trying to drag people down and social media and there's so much hostility and people looking to be angry and insult. This is the time for that in a lot of ways unfortunately i wonder if he's opening

something good he's opening pandora's box for good or is he opening pandora's it's our choice i think it's our choice but he's our president he's a president okay but i think we can respond to this bad feeling that we have about those kind of actions in a positive way. I think that's where there's an opening. I think the opening is for people to recognize that you're not going to live forever. You can't insult people into the grave and feel good when you're dying. It doesn't matter. Like, what makes you feel good right now?

If something makes you feel good to constantly be knocking people down and shitting on their grave, you're probably a terrible person. Nobody wants to be a terrible person, at least the majority of people don't so I think the majority of people are gonna recognize that this path is a bad one that it might feel good in the short term to say fuck you yeah we're gonna make America great again we're gonna fucking light the world on fire but I think after a while when the tide goes in and the tide goes out people gonna realize like this is not the way to go. I hope. I hope we're going to learn.

I think the world is getting better overall. I think there's terrible moments that have always existed throughout human history. But I think overall, if you look at the period of time we live in now, and Steven Pinker wrote a great book about this, and there's a lot of evidence. I fucking read his book. Yeah, there's a lot of evidence that points to that. Every now and then I'll find somebody, I'll read something, see something, and I call

my managers. Get me his number. Called Steven up. I'm from Boston. I met him and had lunch. He's great. At the, what do you call, Crab? You know Boston?

Yes. One of the best restaurants on the planet. The Barking Crab. The Barking Crab. I fucking met him. I had lunch with him. He's a great guy. And my manager, Rebecca.

What a fucking slamming guy. Yeah, he's a really kind person. Long hair, as fucking smart as can be. Super friendly. This is the kind of people. This is the kind. This is the. I agree with you.

We need. It's time for lifting up. Yeah. Well, I think that's going to happen. I really do. I think it's natural. It's natural. There's a big film on us.

Well, the more, you know, the more stupid shit goes on like this, the more people are going to recognize that this is not good. It doesn't make people feel good. And it's not even good for conservatives. But conservatives just like it because it's their turn now. And their turn, they got a bully on their side. The bully's going to kick ass. It's going to fucking do things the way we want.

Yeah. But even they're going to realize this isn't the way you would admire people. This isn't the way to go. There's a possibility to be kind and conservative at the same time. This is possible. I think things will balance out. Well, you know, only time will tell. Yeah, look, I'm

overly optimistic at times, so don't listen to me. No, that's the best way to be. I think so. You definitely don't want to go into the hole. That's what I'm saying, dog. I mean, look at the music business. Hunter S. Thompson, quote, the music business. You know, look at Hunter S. Thompson. Quote, the music business,

you know, when it comes to streaming, you know this one. I love this quote. It's a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway, where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.

So I fucking, Hunter and I, we were good friends for a bit. I love that guy Yeah I'm a giant fan Yeah yeah Him and you

Yeah Let's wrap this up right here Dude you're the best You're the best I fucking hope this is We gotta do this again I hope we opened up Some doors here

We did We had a great conversation You certainly opened up Some doors with me About UFOs and shit You brought a crystal ball I gotta rethink my shit That

You know what It's totally possible That UFOs are real But beware of people That tell you They know the truth Because people Want to know the truth

So the people That come along And tell you I know the truth Too many of them Are full of shit It's an easy con game That's my thought on it

Steven Tyler Motherfuckers Respect Good night Good night. Good night.