The Joe Rogan Experience - #1123 - Kevin Smith

Episode Date: May 30, 2018

Kevin Smith is a filmmaker, actor, comedian, public speaker, comic book writer, author, and podcaster.

Beotch! We're live. Dude, we always say we're going to do these regularly. Yes. Every like two or three years, we pledge that we will do these regularly. And then a decade goes by and then we don't see each other. But I hope that in your heart, just like mine, that it's not like, oh, I've had enough of that fuck.

No, no, no. It's like, you know, I know how, I see how busy you are. You're one of the few people I follow on Instagram. And I've said it on the previous show. I just love to look at your life because I'm like, fuck, he's doing everything he wants and nothing I'd ever want to do.

But fuck, he goes to the hill. And not in a judgy way of like, he shouldn't doing that but just like you know you i've said you live a man's life i live a boy's life as a 47 year old man so you do things like you got a float tank you hunt you gotta hug him you know how to handle a bow and arrow i'm the guy that writes about people that shoot bow and arrows to stop crimes they usually have boxing gloves at the end of them and shit like that yeah but that's good too oh believe me i ain't but i i do i do i i guess the point is i know you're busy as fuck and i know sometimes i get very busy as fuck but i think we only don't do this because of yeah how busy we are yeah that's all it is my it's very kind of you so you're like that's yes yeah i'll buy that but

for me i'm like it's for me for sure for me i'm like fuck i could do that once a week because i'd walk away i always walk away with a real like i've never done cocaine but i imagine it's what it's like to do a line of cocaine off i don't know somebody beautiful or something like that i always walk away with wisdom and it's wisdom that even though it's on a podcast and recorded and there's a record of like well that's where you learned those things i still go out into the world present them as my own like i'm a smart well-read person out there there's dudes that have done a line of cocaine off someone and they're like what the fuck is he talking i've never learned anything from that except how to do it better where the cocaine doesn't quite fall into the ass or where where

all my money go like i gotta think that through. That was never my poison, man. I still have never in this lifetime done, knowingly done cocaine. Somebody might have slipped it to me. You and I both. Really? Yeah, I never touched it. Come on, man.

That's fucking, you know what I'm saying? In Hollywood, we're rare. Yeah, and also just like as entertainers, we're rare as well. Does it ever make you feel less than? When you read about those of us who try to be funny in this business and those who have been insanely successful and become icons, they always have, you know, and then they did blow for hours and blah, blah, blah. Do you ever feel

like, oh, that's not part of my matrix. Hence, I must not be one of the greats. No, I'm very lucky that I don't. That you don't feel that? That I don't feel that. Right. Because I think I'd have a real problem with speed and amphetamines and coke. I think I'd have a real problem with that. That's what draws your eye, like from a distance? I think I'd enjoy it. Really?

I think I'd enjoy it. And I think it's the worst thing for someone like me, who's a probably overconfident person to begin with. Right. Which has served me well. But that stuff makes you crazy over conflict. I only giggle not because it's not facetious. If you walked into the facility that I just walked into

and had the grand tour that you were given, a gentle listener and watcher at home, I was saying to Joe before we went, he's got this new, new to me, I don't know how long you've been here, since October you said. Yeah. But it's a paradise. It's a, you know know fuck the term man cave this is like man empire you walk in and it's

just it's like walking into joe's head it's everything he loves under one fucking roof and i said it to him before uh like you did this with your mouth like you talked yourself into this very strange isn't that awesome yeah i mean i know you've got and you've got a zillion things that you do but like even in a world of like the mma stuff that's still your mouth it's always your fucking mouth that is taking you from where you started till now you walk into this building it's not like he had a family fortune and this was willed to him your mouth put you in a building this nice. Painted the walls the color it is.

You walk in, it's like a museum. It's like you see pieces of him, hence me, all over the fucking place. That's all out of your mouth. If anybody's watching or listening at home, teetering on the verge of like, I wonder if I should do a podcast. Send them a snapshot of that fucking room where you can launch bow and arrows for 45 yards. They'll start talking. Well, I think if you're interesting at all, you should do a podcast.

Fuck yeah. It can be a way to make a living. There's enough people. I'm not one of those famine thinkers. I think the opposite. I'm like, you could do it. Anybody could do it. I'm never like, man, it might not be enough for everybody.

I agree. I'm always the guy who encourages you to like hey try it because oh my god it's fucking fun for me and i you know we've been we're rare birds and as much as we've been around since the fucking art form started like you've been doing podcasts since a minute after a podcast carola started first he was the guy well i predate predate Corolla. Yeah. Well, yeah, for sure. But you're in the first five years. You were, well, what year did you start? I started, we just celebrated last year was our 10th anniversary of Smodcast. So we're now year 11. So count back from now is 2007. Yeah, that's a couple of years when did you begin think 2009 all right so two years of the big bang when i when i jumped in it was leo laporte doing this week in tech and i think he

still does that and the happy tree friends and that was like the apple podcast top five and then me and scott started with smodcast and then later on we added a bunch of stuff but getting in within the first two years like we happened and then right on the heels of us adam was on the radio and then the radio job went away and what year was that where adam went to podcasting i gotta be 2000 if we started smodcast 2007 i got it's either in we start Smodcast 2007, we start February 2007. Either he loses the radio gig in 2007 and moves to podcast, or it happens in 2008. But it was... It was in that neighborhood.

Yes. And he was the model for a lot of folks now, like Ralph Garman, the guy that I do Hollywood Babble. I love Ralph. Ralph's amazing. He was let go by K-Rock earlier this year or later. Yeah, at the end of last year, right before Christmas. And so he, too, moved into a kind of online world. It can sustain a motherfucker.

He's a smart, talented guy. Ralph's a very smart guy. The Ralph Report is his show. I like him a lot. He's a good dude. He's a very good dude. I've always liked talking to him at K-Rock. When you go to K-Rock, that's how our friendship began.

You sit there doing the show, and then afterwards, like I was a cigarette smoker in those days, and we'd sit there out in the parking lot and smoke. And slowly, like I remember I came in once to K-Rock, just announced like, hey, I've rented a theater on Santa Monica Boulevard, and we're calling it Smod Castle, and we're the world's first live podcasting theater and we're gonna do podcasts there and stuff and so ralph was listening he's right there and then uh like months prior he had approached me he's like hey man would

you ever want to do like the show biz beat that's what he used to do on k-rock on kevin and bean like as a saturday show and I was like, fuck yeah. Hear myself on the radio? That'd be fantastic. So we recorded a demo for the show, gave it to his bosses. And his bosses were like, nobody wants to listen to people talk on the radio anymore. And so it died there. Just like how years ago things died when you couldn't get past a gatekeeper who was like, we don't want your shit. Was this after the talk radio station in LA went under?

Yes. Okay, so they probably were like, they got burned on that. It didn't work. And they were just, you know, K-Rock was reading the tea leaves, which was like, people don't want to hear people chat. They just want to play music. We're competing with satellite radio. Now we're competing with streaming music where it's like,

they don't have to wait 15 minutes to hear a song. They had some good shows, though. Like Conway andway steckler that was a really good show yeah they were great there's a bunch of really good shows but the uh so he we had tried that um it was called showbiz beat and then months later when i was in there going like yeah i'm opening this podcast theater afterwards in the parking lot grabbing the post show smoke ralph was just like hey would you ever want to try that radio show at that theater and i was like fuck yeah you want to do this podcast and he was like yeah like yeah let's try it out and so i was driving home and i texted him at a light i said we could call it hollywood

babylon there's an old book called Hollywood Babylon that was about like gossipy stories about Hollywood people and stuff. But we spelled it, of course, differently and stuff. And that was my, that's what I brought to Babylon. Other than that, Ralph built that entire thing. And then my job became to sit next to him and react to the news,

which is, that's why I love that podcast so much because as you can tell, I fucking love the sound of my own voice and i wind up talking talking talking on smodcast i would lead on jane silent bob get old which is really about jason muse i wound up wind up talking a bunch but with babylon i get to sit there while he's the main act and i'm you know the second banana i mean it's it's nice to be able to top and bottom in the world of podcasting like you know it it's it gives you a place to go if I'm topping all the time right then I'm talking about my thoughts and what I believe in and these are the experiences I've

had and people are interested in that but then sometimes you just want to check out and talk about somebody else's shit and on a podcast we do called Fat Man on Batman, that's what we do. I just sit around and go like, oh my God, you watch the Avengers and shit like that. So you get to concentrate on that kind of stuff. So yeah, the Babylon thing grew insanely organically. We started at that little theater, sat 48 people. And since he was on the radio every morning, he could just fucking sell it out. He'd be like, hey, go to Kevin Smith's website website you get tickets for babylon to be sold there is that your place on what was it and it was somewhere in west

hollywood right that little theater it was on uh melrose yeah it was on uh santa monica boulevard in an area uh where they put up a few black box theaters this this section is called the complex and we had one theater in the complex and repainted it and hung up all the artwork. You got artwork based on the podcast out in the hallway. Same thing. We were like, I essentially built a shrine to Scott Mosier, my co-host of Smodcast, which I'm sure on some level creeped him the fuck out. First time he walked in was just like, he wants to wear my skin. And so the idea was we're going to do nothing but Smodcast here.

But since Scott didn't suddenly go into like, yeah, let's do five podcasts a week, it stayed pretty much the same. We had a theater with nothing going on in it and stuff. So I started trying other things. Babylon became one of them. Jay and Silent Bob Get Old also came out of that experience as well. Do you still have that theater? No, we let go of that.

Me and Matty Cohen, who's a co-host on this very fun podcast he does with Macaulay Culkin. Have you spoken to fucking Macaulay Culkin yet? No. I'm just putting a bug in your ear. Yeah? Oh, fuck, dude. Fuck. He gives good talk.

Really? Good oral. I mean, that sounds filthier than I meant it, but you know what I'm saying. Right. Like, as a guest, fucking fascinating. Really? And funny and gifted. Anyway, Matt and Macaulay do a podcast called Bunny Ears. And so Matt Cohen was the guy that I had opened Smod Castle with.

Like I was a guy going, I wish I had a black box theater. And Matt went out and found it and stuff. So we kept it open for like one year and then let it go because what had happened was like the babble show sold so well so quickly all the time that it became clear like we could move this to a bigger theater this is a thing he was on the radio all the time so it was easy to move seats so we went up to the lovett's remember john lovett's yeah comedy club um ralph had went to the improv and lovett's and lovett's were like you could have 95 or 100 of the doors something ridiculous and uh and that was the only reason we went up there we're there for a while things fell out with love it's and stuff and then we moved to the improv instead so we've been there ever since um and now we do it on the road you know quite a bit and stuff that love it's place

is always weird right because the people were way above your head it was like one level here and one level way up there meant to be a well it was bb kings originally back in the day. It was like one level here and one level way up there. It was meant to be, well, it was BB Kings originally. Oh, that's right. Back in the day. So it was like a jazz club where you wouldn't mind looking down at the acts, but for a podcast.

It's odd. And with a guy with a fucking bald spot, it was nerve wracking because like, how am I supposed to be funny knowing they're staring down at me judging my bald spot?

Yeah, we did some comedy shows there and it was great, but it was odd because you did have to go straight up and straighten up. Let me just jump off topic real quick. Was it the Times you were featured in for being the source for news? It's this thing that these guys are calling something the intellectual dark web. Yes.

They're calling something the intellectual dark web. Yes. And they've connected a bunch of people together that are interesting people that don't follow the standard. Poor name. Bad marketing. Because when I read it, I was like, I don't think of him as dark web at all. I think of dark web. My friend Eric Weinstein, he loves that sneaky cloak and dagger type stuff. He came up with the name of it.

He just gets a kick out of it, I think. But essentially the piece was about how you are doing media that, quote unquote, real media is not doing. Well, it's really more about the rise of certain intellectuals that are very controversial, like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris and all the debate about them. I'm just someone who they get a chance to talk to for three hours in a pretty well-subscribed-to base. There's a lot of people that are going to listen to these conversations, and they go, well, why haven't I heard people talk like this before? Why haven't I heard about the idea of determinism versus free will?

Why haven't i heard like uh last time we were here we talked about the universal monetary everybody starts with a salary yeah universal basis basic income i was like super hesitant about that i was like that's nonsense and then um the more i thought about it whenever i just like immediately dismiss something i always have to go okay why why am i immediately dismissing it? Like what's, what's, what, why did I go? And then I thought, oh, those fucking people, they're just lazy.

They just want money. And then I went, all right, is that true? Let me see what the fuck's really going on. Cause there's a weird reaction that I had, like a reaction against lazy people. The unexamined life is not worth living. So it's easy enough for you to be like, nah, I don't care. But most people end it there and their story goes in a different direction. You're like, wait, why don't I care?

I didn't have a clear defense of my actions. Right. The way I thought. Not, you know, I didn't do anything. But the way I considered this subject, I didn't have a real – I was very knee-jerk. So I said, okay, let me really examine this. And the real issue, I think, is going to be automation and artificial intelligence. I think it's going to remove a tremendous amount of jobs.

I think automation in terms of car driving and different functions. Once they get better at robotics and being able to do things, and then people will be less and less necessary. They have a real problem, they think, with cars, with the number of males that drive cars. It's in the millions for a job, and that they would all almost instantly be out of work if they ever get these automated cars down.

almost instantly be out of work if they ever get these automated cars down. Do they? I mean, since we're a culture that believes in technology, one's inclined to believe, oh, they will get these self-driving vehicles down to a science. I think they'll get it down. They're pretty damn close. Close, but as soon as somebody gets hit, they get set back a couple hundred miles. Well, there's been a few fatalities, right? Several.

But how many have been fatalities because of humans? And I always say that's true, but how many more humans are driving than fucking robots? I mean, that shit is off the charts. That number's got to be bananas. Like, how many actual robots are out there driving? What do you got, 10? Two of them kill people? Right

Settle down But still, if you look at the numbers though Yeah Billions of people driving cars Only ten robots And they've already taken two lives So that's pretty Those are pretty

Those are bad odds right there They're gonna eat us, bro That's what's gonna happen It's starting I really believe that I've been talking about this a lot There's a fucking robot That

DARPA created And it's called the Eater Robot, E-A-T-R. And it can fucking fuel itself with biological material. Any? Or is it programmed for certain biological material? I don't know, man. But biological material means dead bodies no doubt but does that mean that a it's aware of when it's powering down i don't know here's remember eater the military robot that's supposed to eat humans this is the thing i think the idea of biological

material is maybe it could sustain itself on plants maybe it could sustain that's where i go it's possible it's possible you want right to human it's also possible if you can sustain itself. That's where I go. It's possible. But you want right to human remains? It's also possible if you can use this thing in a battlefield that you would want to have it eat people. Because you can have dead people everywhere. Have this fucking robot monster that you're sending to kill people also eat them. So not only is it killing people, but it's

also cleaning up in the background as well. Taking dead bodies away. If I was a diabolical scientist and I was going to come up with the evilest,est shit to to send to the enemy to go get them it will be a robot that eats people why because it's going to kill people right it's going to be sent there and then it's just like even though i have killed your loved one watch in horror as i consume its flesh and power me further to kill you next. And wouldn't we, I mean, if we did do that. I defaulted to a pretty bad and kind of stereotypical and one might even say racist robot voice.

I apologize for that. If it was a race, what race would that be? Monotones. I feel no love nor pain. And they can make it look scary too, man. They can make it look like Venom, can make it look like venom like from uh the star wars books or the spider-man spider-man books that would be scary people would be like holy fuck venom's here this rocks it would be pretty cool if you're a venom fan it needs to

look like that face this giant face with that just becomes unhinged yeah i mean that if that was in the eater robot and just inside all would that scare you would that scare you more or would it scare you more if they were like uh the eater robot its head is full of hypodermic needles each one more toxic than the last and infectable at a moment's touch whoa those are terrible too you know do you want to drown or do you want to get eaten by the shark? Good question. Have you spoken about Roseanne yet? Not publicly. Have you had private conversations enough to form some sort of thought process on it?

I talked to Ben Shapiro about it today on his show, but it won't be out until Sunday. Have you ever encountered her in the world? I know Roseanne. I talked to her on the phone and i believe every word she said she told me that she was taking ambien and that she was drunk on memorial day weekend and she tweeted a bunch of stupid shit and she's out of her fucking mind and she said you know in her words i need to adjust my meds you know i'm not thinking straight and she was talking about how exhausted

she got doing that television show and she got bronchitis and she was overworked. I think she's stressing the fuck out. She also told me that she did not know that that lady was even black. She thought that lady was Jewish. And she said to me, do you really think that I would make a joke about a black lady and say plant an axe? I wouldn't fucking do that. She's like, I thought she was Jewish. Look at her. So I did look at her. Like, pull up her Wikipedia page, this lady. She, I mean, she most certainly, pull it up so we can see it.

I mean, she most certainly could be African American, for sure. she most certainly could be African American for sure. But she also most certainly could be like Hawaiian or native American or point being Italian. Maybe she thought Jewish. That's what Roseanne said. Jewish. This is what she said. I do not know.

I don't think she's lying to me. I don't think she's racist. Have you ever taken Ambien? No, I've never taken Ambien. Do you ever take Ambien? A good friend of mine about it today okay and he got up in the middle of the night cooked himself a meal ate it went to sleep got up in the morning and had no recollection of it he had to be

told that he did he was trying to figure out who put the plates in the sink who ate this food where this food come from couldn't figure it out he got up in the middle of the night doesn't remember a thing right and cooked himself a meal sat down ate it went back to bed has zero recollection of it i said it scared the shit out of him but during that meal at any point did he get racist or anything like that i wonder you know what i'm saying like he's literally like it's one thing it's a it's a spooky story to be like i took ambien and i made myself some food it's an even spookier story to be like, I took Ambien and I made myself some food. It's an even spookier story to be like, I took Ambien and I fucking killed somebody. But it's a stretch to be like, I took Ambien and I said something I would never say in a million years.

It heartens me to hear you say that she said that she wasn't aware of the ladies race. Yeah. Because I don't know her. All I know her from is Roseanne. All I know her from is decades of watching her in media, her TV show. I followed her before the TV show. It didn't seem like the Roseanne that I've watched for 30, 40 years.

Well, see, that's the thing. I'm not close to her on a daily basis. You know, I have tremendous respect for her as a comedian. I think she was a real pioneer in a lot of ways. She was this brash, like really confident lady who shit on stupid men. And she did it in this like really bold way and stand up that was very unique for the time. I think if people go back and you watch like some of early stand-up when she was coming out of Denver.

The domestic goddess stuff. She was a beast, man. She was a beast. She was crushing. She was crushing. And then she got that sitcom. And it's absolutely one of the greatest sitcoms of all time. But now she's 65 years old and it's fucking hard for her.

And that schedule, she was telling me, was absolutely brutal. And they were killing her with all the work. I don't know her very well. But I do know there was another time where she said something about Susan Rice, who is another African-American woman. And she said something about her and compared her balls yeah something like swinging ape balls you know so that's two for two it's two yeah well this one for sure right because this one there's no excuse for this is one from the past that there was no you know like oh my god i was on ambient i this. No one said anything. Susan Rice is a man with big swinging ape balls.

And that wasn't meant to be a compliment, I guess. Okay, so that's a long time ago. That's five years ago. Oh, and you can, I mean, I don't know if it's still available, but you can go through a timeline and see a bunch of things. Yeah. Or not like a comedian being funny, but beliefs. Right. That one is, that was a rough one.

That to me is a way rougher one. It's way rougher. Like that one is like, that's what you said. I mean, it is what it is. You know, if you said that the other lady looked like Planet of the Apes just because of her haircut, because she looks like the lead woman. Zira? Yeah, she looked like Zira. There was like a photo of her back. It was just like the way her haircut was and looks like the the lead woman in zero yeah she looked like zero there was

like a photo of her back it was just like the way her haircut was and her outfit was right i think some people you know would but if you didn't know that she was black it's a totally different thing yeah do we know that for sure you know only she knows for sure you know it's were you surprised At how quickly It all ended Yeah That was the part of the story That again I have no skin in the game Other than I watched

The old Roseanne And I was enjoying The new Roseanne as well But I came home from Like I was in Vegas The other day And I flew home Yesterday morning

And then I had a meeting Over at the studios Like at noon So I took a nap When I got home Like And also then I had a meeting over at the studios like at noon. So I took a nap when I got home. And also my wife wakes me up and she goes, you got a meeting, don't forget. Like it's 1130. Oh, and Roseanne's been canceled. And I'm like, that's impossible.

What? I was groggy, but I'm like, that's impossible. It's like 20 million people are watching that show. And she said, she tweeted something racist. So I fucking pick up my phone and I look at it and stuff. And by the time like this had happened in the span of like the hour, I took a fucking nap. They,

the, the network acted so fucking incredibly fast. There was no prevarication equivocation. No, dude, they had that act sharpened and ready. It was nuts. Like all of a sudden they were just like, we're done.'t know where this about and and and it was i think it was so

surprising because it's been a while since somebody did something even uh superficially uh moral yeah you know what i'm saying like i've read a lot of articles online where people are like, hey man, ABC didn't own the show, so of course they didn't have as much skin in the game, so it was easy for them to cancel it. Would they have canceled it as fast if they owned the show? You can make a bunch of caveats, but at the end of the day,

something bad happened and then the network reacted. Fuck the network. A major company, a major corporation reacted and acted. Do you think what they did is the right way to handle it? To just immediately cancel the show? I personally would have maybe fired her and kept everybody else. Done like the, you know, Valerie.

Have her die off? Yeah. Or just use computer animation? You could replace her with a Pixar-ish character. But I think you can sell equally compelling stories without her. Honestly, the nine episodes that they've done this season, she really hasn't been the driving factor of the stories. It's been more about Darlene.

That's who I felt bad for when this whole thing imploded because I'm like, she put this show together, Sarah Gilbert, and she was crushing on it. She was really good, showing off what a great actress she is. But now everybody's out of jobs. Feel bad for John Goodman. I've worked with him before. And he was wonderful on the show.

They could have sustained the show without her, I think. Can she be forgiven? Sure. Didn't Mel Gibson get forgiven? Isn't he working again? Well, Mel Gibson, it was also a case of him being intoxicated, right? He was yelling some anti-semitic stuff at a cop well i mean never mind that didn't he also punch his ex-wife like

there's definitely there's a more violence action than him just saying hey sugar tits like there was some his wife had recorded him or she recorded him yelling at her on the phone so we nobody knows if he truly hit i don't know all right my bad i thought that was i don't know i don't know i don't know the even the specifics of any accusations and also i also didn't follow that closely and not because i'm like man that's martin riggs and i don't want to hear anything bad about i just didn't follow it because i'm like um yeah man it's can she be forgiven sure will she be forgiven i i don't know i look, she should have tweeted what you said instead of, oh, my God, I took Ambien. Like, you know, that turned into an opportunity for a major pharmaceutical company to, like, put out one of the best zingers Twitter's ever seen.

I mean, like, this is a company. They're not normally used to, like, hey, what should we say to be funny? Like, they have to put out very staid information. And for once, they were not normally used to like, hey, what should we say to be funny? They have to put out very staid information. And for once, they were like, how about this, guys? We say racism isn't a byproduct of our drug. It was really well said. It was. It was well worded.

Makes you sit there and go like, why didn't I tweet that? Whoever wrote it was pretty slick. The thing Ambien does do, though though it definitely makes you act bizarre there's some people that's one of the side effects this is the one that's supposed to make you go to sleep there's websites dedicated can't people just smoke weed, eat edibles

that would help there's websites dedicated to people that have had crazy experiences on that stuff I've seen a few of those stories the one that you told me about your friend cooking dinner is about the fourth time somebody's communicated that story.

People drive cars. Could have been because they've been listening to your show and you may have said that story before. I probably have. People drive cars on it.

They go places. Without realizing they're up there. They don't know what they're doing to get places. It's like the serpent in the rainbow, man.

You become zombified and you're like, I'm not dead. You're Bill Pullman in a fucking casket. Well, there was a guy that got pulled over a few years back who was famous and i forget what he said something about like i gotta get to the dance or something like that and the cops were like what the fuck are you talking about

and they realized like he was kind of out of it and then after it was over it was revealed that he had been on ambien and then he had gotten in his car and really had no idea he didn't even know he was pulling him over like literally the guy was in a dream. It reminds me of when I was a kid. This was not drug related, but I was a kid. I was sleeping. I fell asleep on the couch watching TV. And before my, like my brother had lost his fucking wallet at a school dance.

And my mother was like, I'll drive you up there and try to find it. And my father would get up for work at about nine o'clock at night and then head to work at 10 o'clock. And I think he started work at 11 o'clock at night he worked at the post office canceling fucking stamps um so he my mom tells me that i fall asleep on the couch watching like fucking dynasty or some such shit it was the 80s and then my dad wakes me up because he woke up and nobody was home like my mom wasn't around nobody Nobody was there. And he's like, where is everybody? And he fucking startled me awake.

So I was like, what? Oh, Donald, they had to go to the school because Donald lost his thriller. And my father goes, what? And I was like, Donald lost his thriller. And he was like, I don't know what you're saying. And I was like, Mom said that Donald lost his thriller. And I kept replacing the word wallet with fucking thriller.

And my father looked at me and literally set me aside the next day to be like, are you using drugs? And I was like, no, you woke me up. I guess I was in some sort of,

maybe I was dreaming about fucking thriller. It was 1982, you know, like. Yeah, your brain just never clicked back over into waking life. Right.

You stayed in this weird zombie land. Where wallet meant thriller. Did you find that, no? What were we looking for? Dude got pulled over over into waking life right stayed in this weird zombie land where wallet meant thriller did you find that uh no what we're looking got pulled over and i'm trying to remember what he told the cops where they realized that something was going on i think it was it was in one of the articles that i tweeted the story was in one of the articles that i tweeted um what happens in that instance you get in trouble but here's the thing can they arrest you for being the ambient driver it's this it's a rare reaction because a lot of people take that shit right you know a lot of people hear this story all the time not not there's not a web page just a couple of

those pills a day right and there's no web page devoted to stories of people who took ambient and got fired for being racist right well even better there's no stories of people that took Ambien and, you know, became addicted to it and became some sort of a... Or is there? Is it addictive? Is Ambien addictive?

Yeah, I would say probably, yeah. I think they're, like, getting addicted to falling asleep or needing it to fall asleep, probably, yeah. Yeah, I guess if you're somebody who's like, I can't go to sleep without that.

Yeah, I wonder if it's addictive, like maybe like a heroin is addictive. No, right? Or like a speed, you know, like people get like physically addicted to things. Where it kind of changes the receptors on your... Yeah, I don't know if it dulls the senses to the point where like when you...

I mean, that's what the way I... Heroin was always explained to me was when you're on heroin, the senses get dulled. The nerve receptors just don't take in as much. But when you're not on heroin, that pain of withdrawal, part of it is the receptors coming back to life all at once. And it was likened. Yeah. Jason Mews, long time ago, have problems with that shit so it was one

of the rehab doctors communicated it thusly he said you know how when you sit on your hand and fucking falls asleep i'm like yeah totally he's like imagine that was your whole body in times of by a million that's what he's going through wow and i was like oh and then i you know because up till then i was always like just fucking stop doing heroin just stop it and then meanwhile i was eating a lot of sugar. Just stop doing your drug and eating my fucking drug. But once that dude explained it that way, I was like, oh, that would be fucking painful. No wonder the kid doesn't want to get off heroin because he's like, I know the path to not being on heroin is full of pins and needles.

But you never die from it. That's the good thing about that. Like you don't die from heroin withdrawal. We know from Amy Winehouse and other cases that you can die from alcohol withdrawal. Like you can, you can get off, like when you're in jail and you're kicking heroin, you know, the cops just be like, you know, here, just keep throwing up and pissing. But if you're kicking booze, they have to give you booze because your heart could stop. What are we looking at? Look at this fucking article you pulled up.

An estimated 446,000 people in the United States were current misusers of Ambien. Now, what does a misuser mean? A dangerous dependency to Ambien can develop after just two weeks of use. Don't attempt to quit without proper knowledge and before putting a medical treatment plan into place. Wow. Two weeks is all it takes. Two weeks.

And you're Gonsville, son. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe you're fine. You're driving around having conversations with the cop. Maybe you're one of those guys that uses Ambien and gets a good night's sleep and has a better performance at the job in the morning. Where you're like

you just lose a word like you're like donald lost his thriller and that's the lowest mildest form yeah just every now and then you skip a word which i do now i call that hitting a pothole you know rosanna's she's an older lady she's in her 60s and you know she's had some mental problems and uh and she's drinking and she's taking that stuff to go to sleep. And she's not taking it for just two weeks. She's taking it a lot, and she said she needs it to go to sleep. And I think there's a lot of people that feel like they need something to help them go to sleep. That's fine, but then don't tweet.

And for many people, I think it fucking works. Yeah, I don't think she— At the end of the day, it's not like she took Ambien and that makes her bad. No, it's that she she took Ambien and that makes her bad. Like, no, it's that she fucking tweeted what she did. And it's like, if you think for a second that if in using this drug, which I need to go to sleep because I'm late sixties woman and I need my rest

or whatever. Um, or you just deserve fucking sleep. Like, you know, I've mercifully, I've never suffered from a lack of sleep, but I know people who have,

and it's fucking mind bending and stuff. But if you know you have to do that and you know there's the slightest chance that you could become somebody else or say things that are not in your character, give up your fucking social media, man. Like, yeah, I don't think she probably realized that she was obviously going to do that. I think she had tweeted ridiculous shit in the past before and it flew under the radar and nobody cared. But it's a racism thing. And what's fascinating to me about it

and what's positive to me about it is that we have, our culture has, like a fucking zero tolerance for racism now. Yeah. Things have tightened up so much. Like it's entirely possible that within a few decades like racism can be almost completely eradicated i think it's possible with the spread of the internet we're going into like 50 years from now 60 years from now racism could be seen as the ridiculous idea that it is right

racism could be seen the way someone like you looks at it or someone like Jamie. It'll be like a Roddenberry world. It'll be like Star Trek where people are like maybe back in the day there was something like that but we haven't experienced that in centuries. Yeah. The distrust and hate for specific gigantic general groups of

people like Asians or blacks or whatever and the disparaging ideas that you have about a race just because they're you know just because a person's from a specific part of the world that shit has got to be a thing in the past we got to get past that because i would love to believe that but unfortunately we live in a bubble out here where we do live in a california is a place that actually does kind of work it you know at I've heard people out there about to like judge the fact that he's fucking selling California. California blows.

I'm not saying like, yay, California, fuck the rest of the world or fuck the rest of the country. But I will say this. Everyone here lives fairly multiculturally and it doesn't seem to be. I mean, granted, in this area of the state. Perhaps it's different elsewhere, but it feels I'm not going to say utopian, but it feels like people get along out here, even if it's a plastic get along. It's still the get along pretty good. Yeah. So much so that I think a lot of people in the state where that's, you know, we're mystified when the election went the way it did because they were like, what? No, because that's not the way life works. Well, it's not the way life works in most of California. But I think the election went the way it went for a bunch of reasons. You know, a lot of the middle of the country didn't feel represented.

They have a significant say when it comes to, you know, the what's it called? Electoral college vote. That's when you get squirrely, when you look at like the points that different states are worth. Like it's very weird that we still have that. It's not a person, one person, one vote. Not even one person, one vote.

It's like these weird fucking spots. Why isn't it one person, one vote? Like this was explained to me in high school why the Electoral College was necessary. And even then I was like, yeah, but one person, one vote kind of makes more sense. No? Both you and I know jack shit about politics. This makes this journey of words very difficult. Somewhere people are bleeding from their ears going, fucking idiots.

But the checks and balances that are in play, like the representative representative government is what keeps someone from just like running through the whole thing and we get a little bit of a test to it by like trump you know i met a buddy of yours on a plane what guy oh yeah my friend the bear guy yeah nice guy but here's what i wanted to pass on like we were on a 45 minute flight maybe right super smooth like and not in the way of like hello i'm lando calrissian but this dude had a thing like uh like a rep part and not like he wasn't like having sex with somebody but he had a a repartee going with the flight attendant that was so effortless and you know i was sitting next to him we chit-chat before the flight and i'd mentioned something about fucking joe rogan he

goes i i know joe rogan and he talked about like content and blah blah but in any event for the rest of the flight i had like a front row seat for him talking to the flight attendant and it was like it was a real clinic in like oh like he's got that thing that like i i've had to make up for not having my whole life by being like talk to people well not even just talk to people like like the way like you watch like a fucking movie star say two things and people like oh you you're like he just had this person in the palm of his hand and i'm being very careful because i don't want it to seem like like he was making the moves on he wasn't but he easily could have been with that person by the flight's end and it was just as i sat there

watching it going like i've had to make up for a deficit my whole life be like here here's some funny things and hey i saw star wars and talk about all this other shit to try to trick somebody into fucking me this guy just like sits down on the plane was like what's up and she was like oh you and instantly started going talking to him and i was trying to discern throughout the whole flight did they know each other does he see her on this flight often or something? No. Dry. He hit that flight as dry as anybody else and literally could have walked away hand in hand with somebody. It was very impressive. He's got bowhunter confidence.

Is that what it is? Yeah, that's what it is. It's got to be. It's the same thing you exude. He's not even a regular bowhunter. He's like a super advanced bowhunter where a compound bow was too easy for him. He said that. Well, he didn't say it like that.

So he switched over to a recurve bow. Yes. So he has to get closer to animals and has to practice more.. He said that. Well, he didn't say it like that. So he switched over to a recurve bow. Yes. So he has to get closer to animals. He has to practice more. He was explaining that. My friend Aaron Schneider. He's a little bit crazy. Without even, he was explaining that and it didn't sound braggy.

Well, he's got a really good podcast. He said that. He said he's a podcast. It's called Kafaru Cast. What's it called? Kafaru, K-I-F-A-R-U. It's a company that he works for that makes really high-end hunting and hiking backpacks and military backpacks. And he does a podcast through them.

And he's very good at it. He's very good at talking. He's a funny dude. I can fucking attest to it. I sat there and watched him be very good at it. But he's got that bowhunter confidence. Is that what it is? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, he's been bowhunting his whole life. Like there was nothing about him that instantly – i mean he was definitely very macho but there was nothing about his thing that was like i'm a guy's guy it wasn't even that like honestly that flight attendant probably could have been a guy and if aaron was just as interested in short row short range bow hunting he would have landed that guy as well like he was very i don't know it was good like when he said i do a podcast too it made sense i was like i bet you do yeah smart dude that's a that's a weird way to live you know he spends like 200 nights a year in the forest sleeping in like either a bivy sack or a tent or under a tarp like fucking just like robin he's out there all, man. It's like there's not a whole lot of people that are doing that.

More woods than man. He's another guy who's ex-military too. It's a lot of these ex-military guys that get really into bow hunting because they find it very difficult and a physical challenge and it's nerve-wracking and it's hard to keep your cool under pressure. And for a lot of guys who they go from the military and maybe do a few tours overseas and come back to, uh, the mainland and just have a real issue with being just not

stimulated enough. And you feel detached and you don't feel like you're involved in anything. That's got like a high adrenaline threshold. And for a lot of these guys, bow hunting is very therapeutic. So is that an issue when people come back? The issue I always hear about, of course, is PTSD. Yeah. But that sounds like the opposite, like somebody who's like, I was there for the rush and now the real world offers, like that's that move. Not even necessarily that they were, yeah, like Hurt Locker. Not even necessarily that they're there for the rush, but that once they experience that rush, you know, got to bring this book up too much. But Sebastian Junger wrote a book called Tribe, and it's all about this.

And it's about these guys coming back from war and trying to just sort of assimilate and having a really difficult time and how so many of them talk about when they were over there. time and how so many of them talk about when they were over there, they had a purpose and that the life was intensified and cranked up to 10 and the highs were the highest and the lows were the lowest. And they come back here and everything's just too flat. It's just really hard for them to adjust and they feel disconnected from their community and they long to go back. And that's why a lot of them keep signing up and going back. And they feel that that life at the tip of the spear is actually more satisfying, more rewarding.

It just feels right for them. In the regular world, just for whatever reason, they've just tasted it or they've adjusted to it. But they have a very, very difficult time. Some of them do. What is the closest you've ever felt to that? What was the closest you've ever felt to that? Like, have you ever gotten close to the feeling of like, what have you done in life that has given you the adrenaline high? What's your highest adrenaline rush?

I guess I'm asking. The probably the most nervous I ever got was when I was fighting when I was doing martial arts, because there was a nervous for a good reason. It's like you might get fucked up. It's really possible you might get kicked in the head but um the second most nervous was before i did stand up for the first time i was shitting my pants man i was really fucking nervous why i don't know i don't know were you living room funny like were you high school funny i was locker room funny i was uh i would make my friends laugh in the locker room does that's i got talked into by a good buddy of mine, my friend Steve Graham, who I'm still good friends with. He talked me into it.

Him and my friend Ed Shorter. They talked me into it. I would make them laugh. Right. But I thought that they were laughing because they were my friends. And I thought, like, everybody else is going to think I'm an asshole. Oh, you thought, like, they're just being polite. Well, that, too, and, like, my sense of humor was fucked up because it was all fighters, you know?

And so everybody was like, they were hard men. So you had to have like a certain sting to your gallows humor. Well, everybody was on their way to go kick people in the head. It was just a weird life. You know, it was very, very strange way to be 15. Right, right. And, you know, have 15, 16, 17. That was like my whole life until I was 21.

So wait, that wasn't the adrenaline rush? The adrenaline rush of doing stand-up was unexpected. That's why it freaked me out. Because I didn't think I was going to be so nervous. And I was shitting my pants. I just didn't have a background in performing. And right before I was going up there, I was thinking all the times that I fought and I should be comfortable doing this. Right.

But I was fucking shit in my pants. I was so terrible. Oh, so I was so terrified. It was in Boston at a place called Stitches. Are they still there? August 27th, 1988. No, no, they're not still there. Oh, fuck, you know the date?

Yeah, for sure. You're gonna make me cry. That's awesome. Why do you remember that? I don't know. I always remembered it. Say it again. August 27th, 1988.

Because naturally, everything I hear, I have to put through a filter of how does this affect me? So I'm sitting there going, what was I doing? August 27th, 1988. I just graduated high school in June. And where was I working? I was working at Byright Liquors and shit like that. And it would be two years before I would go onto the stage at Rascals in Eatontown

between the Monmouth Mall and the Seaview Square Mall and try it myself. And I didn't shit my pants. Was that the West Orange? No, that's, that's up North. Ours is down in like, uh, by Asbury Park. This place was like a couple miles from Asbury Park. That's South. Yeah.

I did that one too. You were at Rascals? As a pro? Yeah, as a pro yeah as a pro i went in an open mic night just because and i didn't tell my fucking friends because i was terrified my friends would be like why do you think you're funny and stuff i was not the funniest of my friends so i wasn't sitting there going like yeah man come support me i kind of did it on the sly and stuff and and i did five minutes and i made like one joke that really worked, a bit about sucking my own dick.

And that wound up in Clerks. It was tested in front of the audience. So I was like, well, I know that might get a laugh and stuff. So how long was your first beat? And was it open mic? It was open mic, yeah. I think they gave you five minutes. And I don't think I even had five minutes.

I think I had four. What did you do, observe? No, I just told some terrible jokes. Terrible jokes that I'd written. Like literally set up punchlines? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were awful. The stuff that I'd written. Did you write them down? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I even had a piece of paper that I brought with me on stage because I was terrified I was going to forget. A lot of guys in the beginning knew you were a pro when you could put that paper away. I'm about to cry, that's so fucking sweet A young you, how old are you at this point? I was 21 So why'd you wait so long after high school?

Because you had to be 21 To get a life, they sold booze You had to go in a nightclub, that's what I thought Apparently I was wrong though And they would allow you as a performer To go in there younger But I didn't know this at the time I thought you had to be 21.

So I waited until I was 21, which was August 11th, and then I went up August 27th. What got the biggest laugh? Who knows? You know the fucking date, and you can't remember? The material was terrible. I tried to think past it as quickly as possible. I had one joke that I remember.

This is my impression of a good-looking girl getting pulled over by a cop. Like, do you realize how fast you're going? No. Do you like my tits? Yes, I do. Here's a warning. Like, it was that bad.

That's how bad the comedy I was slinging in 1988 was. I would have wanted to take you home, man, and put you on a shelf. Like, that's an adorable joke, ladies and gentlemen. Wait a second. So how many years before news radio is that? 88 was six years. So technically, if one follows the journey backwards, that fucking terrible joke lands you eventually on news radio. Yeah, in a way.

And gets you this fucking building. Yeah, in a way. Let's not mock that joke anymore. That was a good, strong quote. Well, that's the weird wings of a butterfly that becomes a hurricane, right? Like, when you go back in your life and think about weird little lefts you took or rights you took when i was a bunch of those when i had three months ago i had a heart attack when i was on the table because the doctor was just like uh you uh you have uh 100 occlusion

in your lad and i was like i don't know what that means. He said, your LAD is your, uh, it's the main artery that goes across the front of your heart. He's going, uh, it's a hundred percent occlusion means a hundred percent blocked. You've got cholesterol is blocked. There's no way for blood to get through. And that's, what's creating your massive heart attack. So he's like, we're going to, we're going to take care of it right now. He goes, but you're a comic book guy, right? I said, yeah. And he goes, you'll like this, that artery that's called the widow maker. And I said, why? And he goes, because in 80% of cases of a hundred percent occlusion, the patient always dies. He's going, but you're going to be in the 20% cause I'm really good at my job. And he fucking disappeared

into my crotch, went up my groin to my femoral artery and fucking went up into my heart and put a stent in thatent in that LAD. And the moment he opened up, he goes, I'm going to open it up now. And he showed me what it was, tiny little mesh wire thing. He goes, I'm going to open it. Suddenly it was like,

because that artery had been like a hose if you bend it and it's fucking full of water and shit. It was pushing down on the heart, which was in turn pushing down on my lungs. I had no idea it was having a heart attack. I just thought like I couldn't catch my breath. I thought I was too high. And it was in between shows, right? Between two gigs.

And you were filming. We shot them both. Well, we were going to shoot them both. We only shot the one because I had the heart attack and we didn't do the second one. But it was for the folks at Comedy Dynamics and it became a Showtime special. So we were shooting two shows that night.

It was meant to be like an hour and an hour. But once you get up there, if you're like, I'm fucking rolling, I'm rolling. So I did two hours. And after the first show, they were like, we don't even need to do the second show. We're only cutting an hour out of it. So you gave us plenty and stuff.

I said, I got two different hours. So I want to do the second show. And plus everyone was there. They were lined up. And so I took a big swig of fucking milk. I was a dairy drinker, heavy dairy drinker in those days. I've since become vegan. I used to be happy. Nowig of fucking milk. I was a dairy drinker, heavy dairy drinker in those days. I've since become vegan.

I used to be happy. Now I'm fucking vegan. But I took a big swig of milk. Then I went to the green room and I chit-chatted real quick with Jordan, who runs our company. That's Jason's wife, Jason Mewes' wife. And Emily was there. She does my hair and makeup. So we were chit-chatting.

Then I was like, man, I feel fucking weird. I feel sick. I feel like I'm going to throw up. Can you guys get out of here? Because when I get sick, I just want to go off like an animal and fucking die alone.

Like I don't want to be ministered to. I'm like, fuck off and shit. So they were like, yeah, totally. And I laid down on the floor and I felt like nauseated and I never feel sick like that. I wound up throwing up some bile,

nothing chunky, but just like fluid. And so I was like, well, maybe I'll feel better now. I stood up and i looked in the mirror and i was just swamped man like now as a heavy dude you sweat when you fucking breathe but this was like i'd look like i'd just come out of the pool and i felt really cold i couldn't get warm and shit emily popped her head and she's like are you okay i was like no man can you turn on like a hair dryer and just like dry me off i feel fucking freezing cold and she touched the back of my neck while she was drying me. She's

like, you never feel like this. This is scary. You should do something. I said, yeah. I said, I would still want to do that second show. I was like, so I'm going to find a couch, just find a couch for me to lay down. If I get like a half hour nap, I'm sure I'll be fucking fine. And I couldn't get comfortable on the couch, couldn't sleep. And that's when I started not being able to catch my fucking breath. So, you know, I'm no doctor, but like fucking you think, you know, I know my body and I know what this is. I smoke too much weed and I've got too much mucus in my fucking chest. That's all this is.

So I said, I better sit up and put my arms up like this because that will help me breathe. And Jordan comes around the corner eventually and she sees me she's like are you all right and I was like you know having a hard time catching my breath I can breathe I just can't get all the way to the top and stuff of the breath can't take a full fucking breath I was like uh maybe I maybe we shouldn't do that second show after all and she goes we already canceled it I was like why the fuck did you cancel the second show and she was like because I've never seen you sick like this she's gone gone, you know, this, this is weird. Something's going on. I said, yeah, maybe I should see a doctor. And she goes, it's Sunday night. All

doctors are closed. So we called an ambulance. I was like, why the fuck did you call an ambulance? Oh my God, this is don't, this is embarrassing. She's like, they're already here. And six firemen came into the room, big brawny fucking dudes. When you call paramedics, fire department comes as well. So, uh, they're looking at me cause I'm sitting in the chair with my arms up. And some of them were young. Four of them were young. And they looked at me like, why is Silent Bob celebrating a fucking touchdown? You know, and shit.

And all of a sudden, the medics came in. And there was a guy and a girl. And the guy puts a cuff on me. He goes, how you doing, man? I was like, good. I just can't really catch my breath. And he goes, well, we're going to look at you right now and put this cuff on you you ever had this done i said oh yeah i know how to do this and then the girl had a uh like it looked like a fishing

tackle box had a bunch of leads wires coming out of it and shit she put that down as heart monitor thing you know they get your fucking blood pressure all that shit on one arm then the other thing they put on your chest to monitor what's going on inside so she's like i gotta put these wires on you i said okay and i'm sitting in the chair and this is 40 pounds ago and sitting is no good angle for a fucking fat guy to begin with and shit like that so she just yanks my fucking hockey shirt and my undershirt up and every titty i have falls out of my fucking shirt in front of these people and And there's a room full of people, and I'm like, holy fucking shit. And I yank my shit down. She's like, what are you doing?

I was like, man, that's my fucking best friend's wife over there. She never seen my fucking tits. My wife's never seen my tits. Like, you don't yank my shirt up like that. She goes, I got to get these wires on you. I said, well, I'll hold the shirt up. You reach up under and put them on my chest. She goes, how am I supposed to see?

And I was like, just use my nipples as god posts like it was you know i've spent all of my life trying to hide my fucking fat and when your life is in danger i've never been in that situation but when your life is in danger nobody gives a fuck about your fucking ego and shit like your vanity so they looked at their info and they realized i guess what was going on they were like we're gonna take you to the hospital just to be safe. And I was like, don't do that. That's fucking embarrassing and shit. And they were like, nah, we're so close, man.

It'll be fun. You ever been to the hospital? I was like, no, not really. They're like, oh, it's so fun. He goes, you're going to have a good time. I was like, all right. And, you know, I'm a podcaster. So I'm like, look, at the end of the day, no time is wasted.

Everything's a fucking story. So if this turns into the opening five minutes of Hollywood Babylon, where I'm like, they took me to the hospital and it turned out I was just too fucking high. Like life's great when you're a podcaster, because there's no such thing as fucking bad news anymore. Like it hit, it can hit you on the level of like, oh shit, that's unfortunate. But right away you repurpose it into like, all right, well, I got something to talk about. And this latest setback is just just the longest it's just a momentary chapter in a long story you're fucking telling so i was happy to go to the hospital not because i was like i think i'm dying but because i was like all right fucking i'll have a story to tell after this next week it'll be fun i got to the hospital like dr laden

he's the guy who's now my cardiologist they pulled me into into the ER and he's like, hi, how are you? I'm Dr. Leidenheim. I said, hey man, how are you? He goes, what's wrong? What's going on? I said, I can't catch my breath. And he goes, well, that's because you're having a massive heart attack. And it was the first time anyone had said anything like that.

How did he know for sure? That's what he does. I think what he knew for sure was when they put the leads on me and the blood pressure, they looked at each other at one point but i assumed like so there's like numbers that'll show up that'll indicate that something just happened and they made this wonderful call i gotta find these kids give them a hug one day uh on the call sheet because we were shooting that night on the call sheet it was a different hospital but they took me to glendale Adventist because they knew that I was having a cardiac episode.

And that's shy of one hospital in New York. Glendale Adventist is one of the best cardiology wings in the United States of America. So I happened to be in the right fucking place at the right time. We were supposed to shoot my comedy special at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville. It wound up being shot instead at the Alex in Glendale and stuff. And if I hadn't been doing the show there, who fucking knows, man? I've gone to a hospital, but I probably might've fucking died. Because Homeboy told me when he went up the heart, when I was in the operating room and he told me like, they call

that the widow maker and shit. 80 20 i sat there going like these are the weirdest odds i've ever had in my life i figure like look you leave the house it's 50 50 you're gonna fucking drop dead right like you get hit by a car struck by lightning you trip over a fucking dog and then the dog bites your jugular and you fucking bleed out you're like but i always loved dogs and you die ironically whoa but you know just stringing along but the 80 20 man 20 chance of life was fucked up fucked up thought first time i'd ever had that kind of thought and in my head i had to cognitively reframe it and go you don't know you might have been close to death so many fucking times in your

life there might have been like a psycho behind you with a fucking knife and then all of a sudden you got a cell phone call and forgot about you or something like that. So suddenly I repurposed it. The whole time I was laying on the table, I kept repurposing every thought. Not repurposing. Cognitively reframing. I was sitting there because I couldn't. Like at one point they were like, your wife's on the phone. Do you want to talk to her?

After they told me that I was having a heart attack and that they had to get up me fast and stuff. So they're holding up a phone and I see it. And that's the first time it crystallized where I was like Oh these these people think I'm gonna die like I didn't I was in no pain whatsoever. I couldn't catch my breath They kept asking me like 0 to 10. How do you feel? What's your pain level? I was like negative 3 They're like you're doing this wrong. I didn't feel pain It wasn't like I grew up in the 70s watching Sanford and Sons of my idea of a heart attack is Big and shit felt none of the symptoms, no numbness in the arm,

anything like that. I was sweating. I threw up bile, a little bit of bile. I was cold. And what was the last one? It was just fucking shit you would never associate

with a heart attack. Like you would associate it with like, oh, I just feel under the weather. But apparently these are symptoms of heart attacks as well. I like to share it because some cats never heard that before. And I've seen a lot of people on social media since who were like, you saved my life.

Here's why. Because I talked about the fucking symptoms and shit. So while I'm laying there and they go up your groin, they go up your femoral artery to your heart and stuff. He went up and he saw that it was all blocked. I said later on i was just like fuck man like i'd like dropped 80 pounds three years ago i've been like walking up a hill a mile and a half every day and stuff he goes yeah but the kind of blockage you had

he goes that didn't start fucking recently he's gone that started in childhood and i was like man fucking hostess twinkies and then i remembered we had no money so i was like man fucking little debbie swiss delights and shit that's how it happened it started with little debbie cakes i'm with you because i was raised on them and shit but you know we were trained to like twinkies more because they had a commercial little debbie would never bother with a commercial they didn't have a commercial did they no you can't well that years later they did but when we were kids they didn't because how can you have a commercial and sell your product for 59 cents a monster cake? Yeah.

It's like a better experience. Cause they had more of those trans fats that are just so good. Did they have trans fats back then? I think so. I think they didn't call it fats probably. Well, think about it. Trans fats are part of,

uh, uh, when you eat, like what were those cookies that were not peak greens, um, is like a white Oreo. God damn it. I forget the name of it. It was well, fairly well known.

But when I was a kid, it was an older brand from child, some of my parents' childhood and Hydrox. Hydrox, their name Hydrox comes from hydrogenized palm palm oil or corn oil and so it's terrible for you so they that's when it began they were like hey we can take this and fuck it up and turn it into something edible and shit like that not knowing it would block our arteries yeah but canola oil like all that kind of shit that kind of nonsense but i went after heart attack i went fucking vegan there it is hydrox that is crazy it's named after a chemical that could fucking kill you and that's how they marketed it back

in the day hey kids chemicals dude i used to fuck up some pepperidge farms cookies yeah remember those pepperidge farms the little white talking to a fat man i've eaten every fucking cookie there is man with milk do you remember when they marketed the almost almost home cookies almost home cookies so essentially there was a craze and it's they still exist to some degree but when we were children cookies were hard unless they came out of an oven fresh oh but then they started serving these soft baked cookies you can get them there they are almost all now i remember in your grocer's aisle and shit and so you'd take this cookie out of the package and bite it and it was soft as if it came out of the oven that too was a chemical process i believe because things are meant to get hard after they come out

of course quickly it didn't exactly man it's like watching porn get hard fast you're eating some mush that doesn't turn into mold i I, uh, I went vegan post heart attack, but I'm certainly, it's not a ethical, uh, thing. Like my kid's vegan. Cause she's like, I love animals, but I went vegan. Cause they were like, you know, if you go plant-based, you've got a really great chance of dropping your cholesterol. And my kid had been bugging me to go vegan for like three years and stuff. And not, but honestly not bugging me. She would just make comments every once in a while. Like not mom not your milk whenever i was drinking milk and shit like that so after the heart attack nutritionist was in the hospital room with me

and going like 100 blockage man you definitely time to change your diet i was like yeah you're right and what were you eating before like just fucking i'm not even like but you lost a lot of weight and when you lost a lot of weight i remember you you lost a lot of weight, I remember you were doing a lot of juicing. Yeah, I was doing a bit of that, which they've since told me is not good because you're supposed to distribute the juice of whatever with the fiber while eating the fruit and stuff. This juicing thing is— So it depends on what juice. I mean, vegetable juice is not really an issue.

But it is a lot of sugar in it yeah like in like i'm part of now i'm a weight watchers ambassador even people that um believe that like they like vegetable juices they say that you're really better off with like a vegetable smoothie right like where you get the fiber it is all about the smoothie keep some of the fiber in it and the weight watchers diet they the whole celery and all that jazz. You go buy points and shit like that. Yeah, right. Some shit,

like you can, if you eat a banana, no points. If you juice a banana or blend a banana, then it has points because then it's no longer about the fiber.

It's all about the sugar at that point. Eggs don't have any points anymore, huh? No, they took points away from like eggs, turkey, and chicken,

which broke my heart because I used to love turkey and chicken. Then I realized I didn't love turkey and chicken as much as I thought. I went on, in order to after the heart attack, I read well, I listened to it on tape, and not even on

tape, digitally. Penn Gillette's book, Presto, about how he lost 100 pounds after his heart episode and it's a fantastic book i'm sure you know a similar issue yeah but he didn't have a heart attack they were like you're on the fucking verge and they were going to give him a bunch of bypasses and then a friend of his was like instead of all that why don't you just try eating radically different i could propose a way for you ray croniesy. He has a diet called Just Sides. And so in Penn's book, Presto, he details how Ray was like,

for the first two weeks, just eat potatoes. Nothing but potatoes. You have as many as you want. Eat as many fucking potatoes as you want. But you can't put anything on them. You can't fry them. It's just bake the potato

and eat it, eat everything. And you can have nine if you're in a sitting, but you can't put any butter on them, no salt, nothing. Just flat out potatoes. So for me, that sounded... that sounded for me your diet well i just come off the heart attack so i'm like i'd rather not die right so i'll fucking try how many weeks did you just potatoes two weeks straight up just potatoes and raw not raw like uncooked you can bake them but you can't

use anything to cook them you can't wrap them in tinfoil with butter and salt or anything like that. Just flat out plain. You just baked them and then ate them. You must have been bored as fuck. That's what happens. The trick of the diet, at least in my estimation, is that you're allowed to eat as many potatoes as you want. And you think you like potatoes.

When I was reading Penn's book, or rather listening to Penn's book, I was like, oh my God, I can do that. I fucking dig potatoes. And then you realize you don't like potatoes as much as you like butter and salt and milk and everything that goes into like mashed potatoes and stuff so it's in the beginning there's a sense of satiety because potatoes have some girth to them and stuff but they're mostly water so it's an excellent diuretic so you're pissing like a fucking racehorse and that's dropping weight like the more water out of your body. There's some good vitamins in the skin as well.

Absolutely. A lot of potassium, right? But some people, like, when I was telling them, you know, the moment you tell people what you're doing, you know, everyone's got their fucking advice about how to diet and shit. And when I was talking about, I'm going to do this potato diet. People, you can't eat potatoes. It's carbs, man. That's too much. It's bad and shit.

But in two weeks of eating nothing but potatoes, I lost 19 pounds just like that. 19 pounds just like 19 pounds just dropped off a lot of it water weight absolutely but at the same time it taught me something more important than like fuck i hate potatoes it taught me to fast like it taught me to like now i eat a meal a day i don't eat in the morning when i get up i don't listen to the propaganda of like you gotta eat a breakfast and shit like that not at all my body has enough stored energy i don't need to fucking eat eggs and orange juice in order to fucking feel good in the morning i just have to wait for my body to be like nothing's coming in great we'll hook over to the fucking stored energy and shit like that and i got a lot of so you're doing like intermittent fasting so what are you doing it's it's not so much intermittent it's like i eat once a day and then some days if i'm like, I don't feel the need to eat, you go through it.

You hit a wall every once in a while. Generally about 9 o'clock, 8.39, I get a first pang of hunger. And my instincts are like, fucking quick, fix it. And then I remember just in 10 minutes it's going to pass. And then in 10 minutes, absolutely it passes. You're talking about 9 in the morning? Yeah. So you're eating one meal, typically dinner?

Generally about 3 o'clock in the afternoon. And then you go a long time before you eat again? Yeah, yeah. Dude, that's the way to eat, man. A lot of people think that's the way to eat. I think so. Smarter people than I, like Ray, who created the Just Sides diet, and Penn, who followed the diet and stuff and led me to it.

They do the same thing? One meal a day? Penn, I can't I'm trying to I don't think he's down to one meal a day I think he just eats better than I do like he was able to keep up with Ray's diet I couldn't after the two weeks it was like okay now eat corn and I was like I've never eaten corn in my life wait a minute he's telling you just eat corn, he was saying to add corn to the diet and they were adding more things

after the first two weeks. It wasn't like potatoes. Now just corn. Now this. Oh, so this just sides, that's his hook is that you're eating the sides? Essentially,

you're eating everything that's kind of, it's all plant-based and stuff. And so I couldn't, I was hoping that I could, you know, fucking go the distance and be a vegetable guy.

I fucking hate vegetables. And so I had to figure out a way to be vegan. Fucking hate vegetables? Hated so much. How could you be a vegetable guy i fucking hate vegetables and so i had to figure out a way to be vegan i can hate vegetables hate it so much how could you be a vegan and hate vegetables you find a very thin corridor in which you know to live and exist scooping up vats of tofu pretty much eating pinto beans eating black beans good source of carbohydrates right um what else you know what i've fallen in love with and never ate before in my life are chickpeas chickpeas are great such a great go-to snack fucking full of protein and in vegan comfort food cooking they use it as a versatile

ingredient so like if you go to one of my favorite restaurants in town is crossroads they got like this uh they got real vegan food. That's Travis Barker's place, right? Is that the... I believe it is. I believe Travis Barker, the drummer, he owns that place. That's his place? I believe so.

Pretty sure. They got a meatball sub there, dude. I'd suck a dick for it. It's so fucking good. It's supposed to be... And mercifully, they don't make you do that. They just make you pay. That's very sweet of them.

It's a good business model. It's supposed to be a very good place. It is fucking fantastic. This meatball sub Is that it? Travis's place? Tastes exactly like a meatball sub of my childhood.

There's a place about five miles from here, maybe a little bit more called Follow Your Heart. Have you ever been to that place? Yes, I have. That's where I met Ray to talk about the diet

the first time. They have some killer fucking pancakes, man. I don't know what they're doing, what kind of voodoo they're doing to make a vegan pancake takes that good. In New York, they got a place in Brooklyn called champs diner,

which is also like all plant based vegan food, but they do comfort food. Like, you know, like you can get a, like an impossible burger or beyond burger or like you're eating meatballs. And you think about it, you're like,

all right, the bread is most of it. The sauce is the next biggest part and meatballs themselves aren't really that packed with meat it's much more breading than fucking meat and stuff so all you have to do is find something that'll stand in for the fucking meat drench it in fucking marinara sauce and put it in between a nice soft roll and they use like ricotta like uh cashew ricotta to like kind of finish it off. It is fucking bliss, dude. Now, you know, it's just like it's vegan comfort food, so you can't do that every day.

Right. But it's nice to know that if you're ever like, I miss real fucking food. I want to eat a goddamn animal. They can hand you something that's like close to the approximate. Now, the good news, because I know a lot of people are like, fuck veganism, and you're absolutely right. It's no damn fun, for me at least.

But after a month of plant-based, uh, I was on a series of medications after the heart attack and still am. And it was on a full dose of Lipitor, which is a cholesterol fucking cutter and stuff like that. So my doctor, I was telling him about this potato diet and he's like, I don't trust this. He's going, I want to do your labs. I want to do your meds. Give me some of your blood. So he takes me, he's like, I gotta make sure you're getting all all the nutrition. He's like, you can't get it off of a fucking potato. I'm sorry. So he did my labs and came back and he was like,

you're fantastic. He's going nutrients wise. You're great. Everything across the board is great except for your cholesterol. I was like, well, I did just have a heart attack. And he goes, no, your cholesterol is in the toilet. He's going, so I need you to break your Lipitor in half. He's going, you can't take that much Lipitor anymore. So he's like, what have you done different I was like

I'm just eating fucking potatoes So your cholesterol Dropped so radically That he was worried Yeah And enough to take me off Of my Half my prescription

When is See I don't understand Enough about cholesterol levels This is what they told me Recently That I found fascinating I thought I was like

So this Lipitor It's going to eat up The cholesterol He goes No it's in your system forever And I was like Really And he goes Yeah it can loosen going to eat up the cholesterol. He goes, no, it's in your system forever. And I was like, really? And he goes, yeah, it can loosen it up and move it about.

But then we have to be careful, make sure it's loose and soft and globular. The cholesterol is in your system forever. So that it doesn't go into your fucking brain. Jesus. Hard pieces. Like, you know, I don't know if you ever pull like fucking grit off your teeth after you've eaten or something like that. Compacted. You know, that's plaque technically, I guess. But that's the kind of shit that's up in your veins when that shit gets hard it gets super

hard like the the cholesterol that was blocking up my lad my man had to drill through it to get the stent in there and you keep that cholesterol forever now i can't say that 100 but that's the way it was communicated to me because i thought i was like this magic drug will eat up the cholesterol it goes no we have to be very careful with the cholesterol because it moves throughout your system. So I guess maybe eventually it moves out of your system. But if it's in your blood system, right, there's a chance that it goes up near your brain eventually. So maybe that's what they're trying to keep that shit. We are both idiots talking about medical stuff.

I know, but that's what it's all about. We should really stop that right now. You can't be an expert on everything, Joe. Sometimes you have to like take shots in the dark. Yeah. You know your audience. You know the audience is sitting there right now going like, this irritates me. If they're not going to speak truths and hard facts.

Don't they understand medical science? We don't. We don't. That's why we want an entertainment. But when you are getting a full blood panel done and all these different things they're checking all your your i've also become yeah and i become the guy that does with algae and not algae but there are two pills that this uh ray turned me on to this doctor i bet you know his name but his name escapes me who formulated this uh these are the nutrients you need i guarantee you've

probably talked to this guy. His name escapes me. But Ray was like, get these supplements. They'll cover everything. He's going, because you're no longer a meat eater. Anything you need that would come out of meat comes out of this. But it was kind of explained to me when I was like, I don't know. My kid was going, you could do it, Dad. I'm like, kiddo, we were raised differently.

Granted, I wasn't raised with filet mignon. I did eat steak them through most of my childhood but that's kind of a meat like it's tough to separate from something that you've lived with for so fucking long and she was like you gave up cigarettes and i was like oh all right you're right and stuff so it's nice to be able to go to places where you can eat food that's not just like grass and roots and kale and shit like that. What did you eliminate? This is what I want to concentrate on because I- Cheese. Dairy.

All dairy. Cheese. Cheese, milk. I was drinking, no bullshit, two gallons of milk a day. So that might have been part of the reason I wound up having a fucking heart attack. So milk went away. Cheese went away. Animal food products went away.

So no burgers. I wasn't a big burger guy, but I did like burgers and shit. What about bread, pasta? Bread can stay. Pasta can stay. They can stay. I wasn't a big burger guy, but I did like burgers. What about bread, pasta? Bread can stay. Pasta can stay. They can stay. Pasta can be vegan. But I mean, you shouldn't overdo it, right?

You can't eat a fuck ton of bread and stuff. Right, you shouldn't. No, so that shit just gets processed straight to sugar. And honestly, they'd prefer if it went away, yeah. Like most doctors aren't like, hey man, eat all the bread you want. Right. But as part of Weight Watchers,

it has a value to it that you can eat bread, but it takes up like a quarter of the points you can have. Is it harder to do Weight Watchers as a vegan? Is it tricky? No. Interestingly enough, Weight Watchers is so fucking simple because the app, it's all app-based now. Like I was part of it when I was a kid. Like at age 14, I was part of Weight Watchers.

And I was like the lone male in the group and stuff now it's so technologically based that if you're in a food store and you're like oh i i want those but i wonder how many points you just scan the fucking barcode and it tells you and so you can enter things like pinto beans boom it tells you there are zero points so anything you, they generally have a value for, even fast food chains. So it's shockingly easy to use. Take Weight Watchers out of the equation. Is being vegan difficult? Yes.

Like I watched my kid go through it where I'm like, you have no choices. You're really limited to the places you can go in life and go out to eat. But if it's a choice between winding up in the fucking emergency room again and, you know, eating whatever I want to eat, which is what I did for 47 years and then wound up nearly fucking dying. Closest I ever came to death. I'm OK to go plant based for a while. Like I told the kid, I'm doing it for at least a year. And if I can live like this, I'll keep going. What?

So you cut out milk, cheese, animal products, and sugar? Did you cut out sugar? Sugar I cut out prior to this. When I first met you, you were a candy junkie. Yes, oh my God. And look, I'm still a candy junkie at heart. I just can't imbibe anymore. I'll always be a candy junkie.

I'm a dry drunk right now. I would eat all the candy if you presented it. It was mostly the dairy and the meat. That I had to say goodbye to? That was the big thing you cut out. Yes. That was the most, the biggest percentage of your diet. Probably, yeah, yeah.

Especially dairy. Now, what about exercise? Exercise, after the heart attack, they don't want you to do shit for like the first month. So this is only three months ago that the heart attack happened. So once the doctor gave me the A-OK, then I was back to walking the dog up the hill the way I always did. I haven't gone harder than that. And I don't honestly, I'm so fucking lazy at heart that it doesn't, some people are like, I love getting out there and it fucking helps me think.

And my blood's, not me, I can fucking think just fine at home, smoking a joint, sitting there fucking watching Colbert or something like that. That's where you and I separate, right? You like the physical, like the, you know, you,

you like the rush. You're, you're like the adrenaline junkies who have kind of late raised their level. And so it's not enough for you to just sit in one place. Like you could do this and shocking that you'll do it for three hours. But then after this, you probably do something like razzle a bear fucking knife hunt uh species of things but i do uh i run hills is that what you do yeah run hills in the morning that's how far a couple

miles is the most i do because i'm it's real steep stuff do you listen to anything or are you today i did today i cheated i cheat when i listen to things. I think it's cheating. Why is it cheating? Because you're supposed to be alone with your thoughts? Because you're supposed to be in a meditative state where you're just pushing yourself at a certain pace. And when you're listening to something, especially something cool, it distracts you to the point where you hear how heavy you're breathing, but you don't think negatively about it. Because you're thinking about whatever the music you're listening to is. It's really interesting because it's a nice trick because you can actually uh work harder and not be bothered by it right because you're you're so tuned into the music that you're listening to or whatever it is you're really captivated with that you can keep pushing but

most of the time i like to do it where i don't hear shit i just hear the pounding of my footsteps and my breathing and also i have a logical fear of mountain lions so i don't want to be did you see that story about the fucker outside of seattle yeah scared the fuck out of me that was terrifying yeah and those cats they weren't like yeah they weren't going like hey man we may fucking encounter a mountain lion do you know they did the right thing they swung the fucking bike yeah at first they tried to get big because i go to a place and called uh canyon ranch with the wife in arizona and there's like one trail where they have a sign right at the gate that's like you know mountain lion area and it's got one of those little like graphic tutorials on what you're supposed to do with

your body if you encounter a mountain lion and you know you're supposed to big up like the way they're like hey man if a bear is charging at you fucking big up at it or something so shit same thing here they're like get big up grab a if a bear is charging at you, fucking big up at it or something. So shit. Same thing here. They're like, get big up, grab a stick, make noise and shit like that. And that story, those guys did exactly as told. And it fucked off for a minute and then fucking came back. And that's when they started swinging the bike at it. Yeah. And the one guy took off.

The one guy, his friend got bit and dragged. And then he took off like he was going to get help or I don't know what he was going to do. And the mountain lion said, fuck this guy. I'm going to go after you now and chased him. Chased him. So wait. He had one guy down. It didn't kill both guys.

No, it fucked up one guy and killed the other. But one guy was down. I mean, obviously, I'm just reading the story. I wasn't there. But one guy was down. But you're putting us there with your delivery. This is the guy who survived. He said that he felt the mountain lion's fucking jaws around his head.

And then it released him to go after his friend. Yep. His friend ran, and the mountain lion tackled his friend and killed his friend. In the tackle, or just tackled him? Just killed him. Just bit, you know, fucked him up, man. And this was not even a big cat. This was a 100-pound cat, and it it was emaciated and it wasn't doing well

it was probably like an old cat maybe feral or something feral they're all feral are they yeah they're wild but it's like i mean feral like uh what's the other word oh it's rabid oh no most likely just old and like they're all feral motherfucker they're in the wild we probably couldn't catch rabbits anymore and shit couldn't catch deer it was getting old you can't catch a rabbit and you're like, I'm going to go for this human with a machine under him. Humans are way easier. We're so slow. We are so slow.

Is that right? Oh my God. The fastest human is a joke to a cat, but a deer, deers are so fast. You ever see a deer try to run away from a wolf or something like that on a video? Not a wolf, but I've seen deers run away from us. They're all around our house. They're so fast, man. They're fucking, yeah.

You can't even come close to catch them. A cat could catch a person so quick. But even if, well, all right, so it's a 100-pound cat. It's still going to be smaller than the dude that it's attacking. Did you ever get in a fight with a house cat? Never. I've never gotten in a fight with a house cat. Friend to all animals.

I am as well, but I had a feral cat. I raised him. They're all fucking feral, Joe. No, they're not all. This is a cat that was actually born in the wild. Really raised him. They're all fucking feral, Joe. No, they're not all. This is a cat that was actually born in the wild. Really? Yeah. He was born in the wild and I had to stay with him

in a room to get myself used to him, get him used to me. This is pre-internet, too, by the way. This is like in the 90s. I locked myself in a bedroom with this kitten and just brought a stack of books. I put a mattress in there, brought a stack of books, just hung out with this cat. And every time I'd get near this cat, the cat would freak out and hiss at me and jump on the curtains and fucking literally like climb the blinds, screaming and hissing.

And then I finally would get my hands on him and he would immediately start purring and giving in. Because once he realized I wasn't trying to eat him, that I was his friend, I would pet him and he would purr louder than any cat would purr. It was crazy. Like I developed this bizarre bond with this cat because this cat was so scared of the world. I mean, he was scared of everything. Was that the reaction every time? No.

After a while. He would eventually calm down and be like, I can trust this guy. I was the only one that could touch him though. I was the only person. Like my friends would come over. He'd hiss at them. He would, like, wow, like, let them know, like, bitch, shit is about to get really crazy. Like, I'm not a regular cat, but I could go up to him and I could pet him. He was a feral cat, you know?

What was my point beginning this? I don't know. What did we? Oh, I had to get him fixed. This is what it was. The cat. I had to get him fixed,, I had to get him fixed. This is what it was. The cat. I had to get him fixed, and I had to pick him up. And I don't know how the fuck he knew that something was going on.

Oh, that's right, because I was trying to get him in a laundry basket. I was trying to put him in the laundry basket because I wanted to bring him to the doctor to get him fixed. So suddenly his buddy, who he trusts, comes at him with a fucking cage. And not that deep into our relationship either, because he's only like 10 or 11 months old he's spraying in my house man he's lifting his tail up and just shooting piss on my walls i was like hey you fuck dude he pissed all over the place by the time i i realized like i had to get him to a doctor he pissed in my house like 10 times because they just piss in the house and so and then i was worried like if you don't get them quick enough, like, you got to clean

everything up, deep clean all the carpets. But if you don't get to him quick enough, he just thinks, well, he's spraying from now on, even after you fix him. That can be a problem. So I tried to hold on to him and put him in this laundry basket. And dude, he tore me the fuck up. He tore my arms up. He just scratched me and clawed me and he was

Remarkably strong. He's a little cat and this was your friend like he'd be saying the same to me I thought you were my friend bitch. I'm trying to stop. He's a guy. No, I knew it you fucking prick So I had a throw hers a blanket on him. He was hissing at me and trying to get out of the room I had to throw a blanket at him and under the blanket, I scooped him up and I put him in the laundry basket. And then I slowly pulled the blanket out so he didn't suffocate while keeping the lid down and then tape the, the, the laundry basket up so that I could put it in my car and he wouldn't jump out my car and claw my fucking face off while I'm driving. Like something you see in a Chevy chase movie. Did you leave it at the vet and just walk away?

The vet was a good friend of mine who has since passed on. And he was a really, that guy loved animals, man. He was the cat whisperer? No, he knew how to take care of it. I told him the whole deal coming in, and he knew how to handle it. He's the only vet I've ever had cry with me. Over what animal? I had a puppy that had distemper.

A friend of mine found these puppies at a gas station. Someone was giving them away. And he took a bunch of them and he calls me up and says, hey, man, you want a puppy? They're at the gas station. I said, yeah, man, bring that puppy over here. Man, the puppy just after like a couple of days of being at the house would have these seizures, like violent seizures. It would just lie down, its eyes would roll back and you could just pet it a little bit and it would slowly come back. Then it would be weak and delirious and it

wouldn't know what would happen. And then towards the end, it was having them all day long. I mean, it was just all day long. And that's distemper? Yeah, yeah, distemper. So how does it manifest again? It's just some horrible neurological disease that dogs get. And if they don't get the right shots when they're young, they can get this and there's a bunch of different horrible reactions and it's fatal. So I had to take him to the vet and the vet was like, there's really nothing we could do with him. He's seat he's having seizures all night i mean all night it was awful and uh he was like he's gonna die any you know any hour now you know we're gonna have to put him down so he puts him down and he comes out in the hallway i mean i i held the dog i placed him down i gave him a kiss i said goodbye

and he put the needle in the dog and, and put the dog to sleep. Then we both went outside, man. He was just crying, just weeping. You know, the guy just, he just loved,

he loved animals, man. He had a ton of animals, man. He had cats and dogs and all kinds of shit. And, um, he was killed by a drunk driver.

That was, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was rough. That was a, that was a drunk driver. The vet was? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was rough. That was a rough one. I got an email, I believe, from his daughter. It was a rough one. Super good dude, man.

Who are you crying more for, the guy or the dog? The dude. Because the dude, well, you started with the dog, though. You started getting teary. The dog was a bummer. But it was more of a bummer even the way he was approaching it. Just, you know. Human.

He was approaching it very humanly. Like, you know, most doctors, I guess, were expected that they're like, I'm sorry, this person has passed on. Yeah, he wasn't calloused about it at all. You know, his feelings about it were super raw. That's why I would imagine I would be as a doctor just like, I'm so fucking sorry. That dude scared the fuck out of me with marriage. In what way?

Because he would talk to me about his divorce. And he would just grab me, like grab me. He goes, don't you fucking get married. Don't you ever do it. He was half joking and half serious, but he's like, trust me, you don't want to do that. You don't want to have to go through this kind of a breakup. He goes, he goes, you got a girlfriend right now. You break up with her. What happens? You get broken up. That's it. You break up. And he goes, you don't have to see them in court every week

for a year over and over again, while they're just trying to take money from you and lying about what you've done so they can get more money from you he went through a bad one and i believe some of his friends went through real bad ones too and just he was one of those dudes and i was like you know 26 27 i was like jesus man you're like this is a man of science he's a doctor he knows what he's talking about you know a wise man who knew a lot of shit so So when he, you know, I was a moron. So when he grabbed me, he goes, listen, don't fucking get married. Did you get married? I got married.

He's just, you know, he was just a guy that, you know, I mean, I really firmly believe when it comes to things like that. There's these people that are just supposed to be doing what they're doing. Right. And he was a guy that was supposed to be working with animals. Like, it just worked, man. He had the heart for it. I mean, he's a veterinarian. He'd probably seen how many animals die, how many animals injured.

And still, the guy's crying. Dude, a puppy is a baby dog. Nobody wants to see a baby leave this world without a chance. So the dude's got his heart in the right place. That's the guy you want to bring your animal to. A hundred percent. he's also the first guy that ever told me don't get my dog fixed why well he said look he goes don't let your dog have babies don't be an asshole he goes but if you get your dog fixed you got to realize your dog's not gonna have any testosterone anymore it's gonna be tired it's gonna it's not gonna be the same dog and i was like really and he's like yeah and

so of course i got my dog fixed and uh you just would not fucking listen to this man when i got him fixed i was trying to calm him down he was a pit bull and he was very aggressive right and when i when it did calm him down but immediately lost like most of his energy he didn't he just didn't have the same he's the same energy anymore he was kind of like bummed out it was weird the the yellow lab that i had we had two like when I first met Jennifer my wife she got pregnant like shortly after we met Allah yeah that's how fucking virile I am feral like a like a cat so you know we would never like I've never even owned a dog so I was like we should get a dog to see if we'd be good parents and so we went to the pet store in uh the Menlo Park Mall in New Jersey and uh looked for a yellow lab she had it in her head she's like I had a yellow lab when I was a kid and they're the best

dogs for children so let's go get a yellow lab I'd never had a dog in my life so I was like that sounds great I knew what they look like so we went to the pet shop try to find a yellow lab and we found this dog that was blonde like a yellow lab and they were marketing it as a yellow lab but she'd been left behind all the other puppies had gone and she'd been there perhaps a little too long like you know she wasn't a dog yet but she was fucking on the you know uh what was the britney spears song um i'm not a girl not yet a woman that's where the dog was she was too big for the fucking cage right like her face was pressed up against it so we were like what about this dog and it has been priced down you could see like 2000

marked all the way down to like 600 bucks truly so we got that dog and you, like, it was like something out of a fucking cartoon because we were the ones that were like, get out of this cramped ass cage and come with us out into the parking lot. This dog instantly bonded with us, loved us so fucking much, became so needy. We called it Scully. We were big fans of the X-Files. So after a week of having that dog and the dog was like up in our grill all the time just like thank you thank you for fucking getting me out of there like you are my people and shit we were like we should get another dog to babysit this dog so this dog has a friend so we went instead of to the pet store we went to a breeder's kennel like a pedigree place

and uh they had puppies versions of fucking yellow labs and they're adorable like fucking 10 of them falling all over each other like an animated like a Pixar movie and Jennifer picks up one and bonds with she's like this is the one let's get this one I went over to the counter I was like all right man we just bought a dog the week before 600 bucks and even then I was like 600 fucking bucks man they they throw these things out you know we can get one for free and shit but i was like i've never paid 600 for a dog so you know i went up to the counter expecting well that's the rate i guess the going rate for yellow lab is 600 bucks so i went up to the counter and i was like we'll take that one and the lady's like that'll be four thousand dollars and

i was like for all of them i just want one and she's like these are pedigree dogs. And I just met Jennifer, barely knew her, so I couldn't turn around and be like, put that down. That's too expensive. I tried to represent, so I was just like, well, $4,000, we're paying too low. We are stealing from you. And we got that dog. And to be fair, we named him Mulder

because, again, X-Files fans, Scully and Mulder. And Scully was just like happy heart that just loved. Mulder because again X-Files fans Scully and Mulder and Scully was just like happy heart that just loved Mulder was so smart and fucking thoughtful he wrote my four best movies that's why he died I made Tusk and Yoga Hosers like without that dog writing for me how'd he write for you it's a joke Joe he was f. He was just saying he was so smart. Bro. He was so smart.

How smart was he? He was so smart, he wrote my last few scripts. Joke didn't quite land. Sorry, folks. He was missing something. I wasn't paying attention. I didn't set it up properly. I'm not a fucking pro.

But in any event, he was wonderful. But we got him clipped. And his demeanor never really changed. He was always very low-key. We called him Kilroy because he'd go to the other side of the bed and just look up like this. Yeah, I got my mastiff snipped, and it didn't really change his personality much. He stayed the same. Yeah, he stayed the same.

But he was always kind of a mellow dog. He's a very big dog, so they don't like to do too much. We got a rescue last year, a year and a half ago, that was like when Mulder died a couple years ago. He made it to 15, which is like fucking deep. That's old in dog years. And for a big dog, too. That's pretty deep. Like a dachshund will stick around for fucking cancer.

But a fucking big dog like that generally don't make it past 10, 11. So we got a lot of good years out of him and stuff. But it was fucking horrible when he died. I spent the last two years of Scully's life almost as rehearsal for Mulder. They're yellow labs, so what usually goes first is the hips and the back legs. So Scully's back legs went, she just,

the rest of her body could work, but she was literally dragging her carcass. What was wrong with her legs? They just went, doctor was like, that just happens. They're done. Wow. And she was 12, 13, so she'd made it a while.

So they just stopped working? Just stopped working, just give out. So the nerves stopped firing? The legs stopped? There's no muscle. And that's a common thing with labs? Yeah. Wow.

So I put a scarf under her, the back end of her, called the magic walking scarf, and I would become the back legs for her. So magic walking scarf and i would become the back legs for her so she would walk and i would be the back legs and you know fucking get shit and piss all over and stuff but i dug the dog so it was no big deal so i did that all the way up to when scully passed away and then molder was always very healthy and fucking mobile and loved walking and stuff super athletic dog jen would take him up on runyon canyon and shit then one day his back legs started dropping and your fucking heart sinks because you're like all right scully she wasn't that

active so when she lost her legs like yeah it was a bummer but she wasn't like the runaround dog she used to chase moldy you'd throw a ball molder would run after and she would just chase molder and try to bite his back legs to prevent him from doing it. Cause she wasn't nearly as fast. Mulder was the go out guy. He loved to fucking be active. So when his back legs went, it was like heartbreaking. And then he stuck around for two more years. So it was literally two years of me walk magic, walking, scarfing, uh, this dog. Uh, then he got to the place where he, he did, you know, it wasn't distemper, but when you were talking about it, it sounded so familiar. He would do that thing, this thing where he would be like, oh, oh, oh, oh. And this would go on for fucking hours.

And you could tell it was exhausting for him and he couldn't fucking move. So, you know, everyone in the family was like, it's time to let him go. And this was like when he first lost his legs. But I was like, are you fucking shitting me? If like if I lose my legs, you better fucking put a magic walking scarf around my fat ass and not fucking turn me over to the needle. Like this is fucking family here. So I held on to him for as long as I could until he got to that place where he was like an obvious fucking pain. And I remember I shot a

video of it, um, on my phone. I still have it. And it's not, you know, it sounds fucking cruel or sick, but like, it was, it was just a reminder because every once in a while, like I knew eventually that we would have to put them down and like, it's such a weird relationship where one day you're like, I love you to death and I love you so much. I have to fucking kill you. relationship where one day you're like, I love you to death and I love you so much. I have to fucking kill you. So I had that video on my phone for the longest time so that when in like the wee small hours of the morning, I would wake up and be like, you killed your best fucking friend. I could watch that video and be like, you had to, he had like, he wanted to go. This dog was sick. So the doctor came over, we got the vet to come over to the house and um it was like a big deal it was like we all knew it was coming and shit i was flying home uh from a gig and i kept telling

like jennifer like don't do anything just like freeze like i'll be there as quickly as possible and so like dr kumar who's our vet uh was you know scheduled to come over and and that last fucking hour was like probably hands down the most difficult hour of my life man because we all knew what was coming and your program to to stop that at all costs your program to keep people around keep yourself around and yet like we were just all sitting there loving on him knowing that like by the time dr kumar gets here it's all done. It was fucking hard. It was the hardest thing in the world to do.

And he was still in pain the whole time. So even though you knew you were doing the right thing, it was like, like, I understand why that vet, you know, got emotional. Like it's tough. So in any event, in any event that we lost that dog a while ago, a couple of years ago. And on my 45th birthday we were back east doing a show at the calmbasey theater in red bank we were doing yoga hosers uh screening it and we were shooting it for the comic book men's show so i was driving down the highway in middletown new jersey and i passed the place where we had bought molder and so i was just like you know

what man i'm 45 years old. I'm a grown ass fucking man. Like I make my own money. I can do whatever I want. I'm going to buy a fucking dog. I'm going to replace that dog. Like I'm going to get me another yellow lab. And we've had two dogs since then, right? We got a Louie, which is a chocolate lab and Chucky is my favorite is a little miniature doxion. But like I missed Mulder and I was like, I'm going to replace him. And then, uh, so I went into the pet store, same place, the puppies, puppies, puppies, where we had gotten Mulder. And I walked in, and I didn't see any yellow labs, and there was nobody at the counter. So I was like, all right, I'll get out of here.

And a lady comes out, and she's like, can I help you? And I was like, yeah. I was like, well, honestly, I came looking for a yellow lab, but, like, you guys don't have any. She's like, we have one in the back. And so I was like, okay, can I meet him? She said, Oh, sit right down. They put you into a little room and stuff like that. And then they bring the dog in. And in my head, I'm like, I'm counting the money out. You know, I'm sure it's the inflation has hit the dog market. So it's going to be more than 4,000, but I'm ready to fucking go. And then they bring in this puppy and he was good like he was a good dog he's

very bouncy he's energetic as fuck you could cut this dog's nuts off and it wouldn't have mattered but he wasn't molder he looked exactly like him but he wasn't him there's this weird lesson of like when it's gone it's gone and you need to appreciate it more when it's there because you know they tell you this from a young age, but like everything, everything dies and nothing's fucking replaceable at the end of the day. So as I sat there playing with this dog, I was like, it's not like, it's not him. It's never going to be him. And I would sit there, raise this dog his whole life, expect him to be something else. Somebody else out there wants this fucking hyper

puppy not me but i took a picture of it because i was i'm gonna fuck with my wife and so i took a picture of the dog and texted it to her my wife instantly calls me back to be like do not buy a fucking dog you can't do that i said i'm a 45 year old grown ass man i can do what i want she goes no we have two older dogs at home and it'd be so unfair to bring a new dog into the house and she hit me on that level going like you know what you're absolutely right she's like you got to wait until one of the other dogs dies then you could buy a new dog is it fair enough and two days later my wife right before we go home to los angeles like uncharacteristically says there's this dog

in my twitter feed look at it and it looked like this emaciated fucking, it looked like the dog from the Sarah McLachlan song. Like in the arms, just thin ass, like the dog from the Haunted Mansion ride. Dog you see on a fucking can. Just like bones with a dog head on it and shit. And I was like, that's so sad. She's like, they found this dog. He was tied up outside a kill shelter with a rope

and he was trying to gnaw through the rope. And so these people, they took it home to foster it, but they can't keep it. They already have six dogs, so they need a home for this dog. And I'm like, okay, what does that have to do with us? And she was just like, we should be the home. I'm like, what happened to like, we can't get a new dog because it'd be unfair to the other two old dogs. She's like, Kevin, look at this dog. So we went over to the lady's house and saw this dog that sounded like the distemper case that you described with the puppy this dog was dead three paws in the grave just weakly looked up at us and weakly went right back down and looked like

hell looked like honestly looked like a skeleton with just a dog head like glued to it but heartbreaking you know and so instantly i'm like this dog's on death watch if we bring this dog home it's going to help these people you know so they don't have to take care of yet another dog but like this dog's going to die on our watch this dog ain't going to make it look how lethargic it is when we picked her up she felt like she was like 12 pounds and this is a dog that's mixed pit. It's got a pit fucking head, heart of shit and shit, but she was all like emaciated. We took her home. After a week, man,

that's when she started like getting alert and shit. And the vet had told me, he goes, I said, what do we do for her? How do we fatten her up? He goes, give her eggs. I said, eggs? He goes, yeah, my egg's good for her. Give her protein.

It'll fatten her up. It'll also be good for her coat. It'll bring her hair back. I said, all right. So I started making eggs every morning and shit, scrambled eggs, and I'd give her the eggs, like suck it up and shit. And was like these eggs are so plain so i

started putting like bacon in them and cheese started making omelets for the dog and whatnot dog got fucking fat quick healthy all the fur came back took the dog into the vet and the doctor was just like what the fuck happened this dog this dog's like 90 pounds i was like you said to give her eggs i've been giving her omelets every morning he He goes, I didn't say to cook the eggs. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, you just break an egg and put it in a bowl. It's a fucking dog. They just eat it.

Like, you made it to eggs? I was like, yeah. Got in a fight with my wife many times because she was like, you never made me an omelet. I was like, well, the dog is dying here. So that dog, we nursed it back to health. We named it Mad Mardigan, Marty. And she, since we don't know her history like she's we figure she's six years old the doctor guessed she's clearly a street dog and she lives in her head i guess the same way

that that cat you described did everything was fucking terrifying it took a long time for her to fucking trust and she loves my fucking wife like she must understand that like she was the one that fucking got her into this house and shit so when other people come into the room she goes fucking nuts because she's very fucking protective of the wife and shit like that she could flip fast and recently we had an incident in the house because she doesn't get along with the two other dogs so we have to put up all these like what we call checkpoint charlies in the house these series of dog gates the dogs could never female dogs they're all female three females that i've had problems with that in the past females did not they don't give up the alpha position like males would give up like if you have a couple

males you can figure out who's the boss and the. And the boss will run the house. Like, I have two males. Right. And one of them is 120 pounds. He's a mastiff. And the other one is a Shibu Inu English Bulldog mix. They have a very clear, you know, there's a, one is way bigger. Right. So there's no issues. So who's the boss?

Right. The one's the boss. But females, they don't give up on that. They keep fighting. So it's just like, I'm the offer. They keep going after each other. It's really common. It's really common with females, especially if you leave them alone for any length of time.

They fuck each other up, man. It happened not on my watch, thank God. It happened while I was away. It happened a bunch of times with me. Did it? Yeah, I used to have two females. It was terrible, terrible. Ours happened when I was away.

I was just doing a show two, three weeks ago. I was in Vancouver. I doing a show two three weeks ago i was in vancouver i did a few canadian shows and that night my kid called me and she was like marty and shecky got into a fight i was like what and shecky is literally she's not even a doctrine she's a miniature doctrine and marty is the size of a pit bull and makes pit so they've seen each other they walk with each other we walk them in the hills they'll walk side by side and shit but the moment you get in that house, it becomes territorial. You have to fight for love. Why?

Because they want your love. Your love feels so good. If you come over and massage them and another dog comes by, you might stop massaging them and start massaging that other dog. So they'll attack that dog. I'm not kidding. That's what goes on in a dog's head? 100%. Yeah. Especially dogs that have been mistreated. So they're just jealous. Yes. My dog that had an issue with this was also a dog that I got from the pound

I got a couple from the pound one from the street, she was covered in mange and I nursed her back to health she was two years old she had extended nipples so she had had puppies wait, wait, wait this dog has also

what did you call it? Distender extended. Extended. I said, I might have the wrong terminology. But the vet said like, that doesn't necessarily mean like in Marty's case, he was like, I was like,

does she have puppies? Cause it looked like she had nipples, but he was like, no, it also, in some cases it happens with dogs that are emaciated, but I can't imagine a street dog didn't get laid. You know what I'm saying?

I don't know. I mean, the, the vet said she had had puppies. I don't know. I don't know why said she had had puppies. I don't know. I don't know why he determined that. I think he had said because the nipples, they were hanging low like that. That's what I always thought.

My vet was like, no. But the two females, like the male got along great with both dogs. He had no problems with them. But those females, man, they would fight all the fucking time. And they would fight whenever one of them, when someone would come over to get pet. Like they got in a big fight once because the pool guy came over and the pool guy was like hey what's up kids and he pet one of the dogs and didn't pet the other one and so they started going after each other like fuck you no fuck you and you know i get this call hey man your dogs are about to fuck each

other up over the pool guy i'm like oh my god you're like first off the fucking pool guy. I'm like, oh my God. It's just the girls. So I had to keep the girls separate. We were keeping them separate with Gates, but somebody turned it back and the two wound up in the same space and fucking went at it. And so one dog's way bigger than the other. And so the big dog picked the little dog up by her hind quarters

and was like, ah, shaking it like a dog shakes a toy. But meanwhile, Shecky, who's the little one, she has no Napoleon complex. So she's got no idea of like, you're bigger than me. She didn't give a fuck. So as the dog, as Marty is swinging Shecky, the little dog, the little dog is swinging from side to side, biting her, and then swinging to the other side and biting her. She wouldn't go down, dude.

Like, I imagine if somebody bit me in the ass and shook me from side to side, I'd be like, you win. But this dog was just like, from fucking hell's heart, I stab at thee. She kept trying to go right back at her. So when I came home, it was fucking heartbreaking because I'd heard they got in a fight. And my daughter was like, she's got stitches and stuff. So I was prepared for stitches. But when I got home, it was like it looked fucking terrible. Like she had she looked like the fucking walrus from Tusk, like a Frankenstein version of her leg.

How was the other dog? She had pieces of her like missing chunks out of her fur. Was she acting sketchy? like missing chunks out of her fur. Was she acting sketchy? She was like, she knew she got in trouble because Jennifer like put her into what we call chicken's prisons, the other side of the gate where you lured dogs in with chicken

and then you're locked in the bathroom. You can still see everybody else, but there's a gate keeping you on that side of the room. So she went to jail for that. And you could tell she felt fucking bad about it. But does it linger? Like you seem to know more about dogs. That little dog's always going to remember that fight, right?

Oh, they're both going to remember it. Yeah, if you leave them alone, they're going to do it again. They're girls. If you brought home an extra wife, how do you think that would work out? That's exactly how it's like with dogs. How do you know that? Who told you that? Dr. Craig, my friend who died.

The vet who died? Yeah, yeah. He just said, you can't have two girls. He goes, they're just going to go at it. He goes, more often than not. He goes, like, you leave them alone. You have a nice big yard. It doesn't matter.

He goes, they're going to fight. I want to sit there. Why are you sitting there? That's my spot. That's my spot. And boy dogs won't do that to each other? Boy dogs can do that. They fight over other shit.

They can do that. They can fight. But boy dogs, if the alpha, this is according to dog people, not me. I don't really know what I'm talking about. But the way it's been explained to me is that boy dogs, for the most part, with a few exceptions, will pick an alpha. Alpha will lead the pack. Then unless he's challenged by a new dog, or one of the dogs gets bigger or something

happens, he gets older, unless there's some sort of a shifting of the chain of command, he will remain the alpha. Forever. He's the alpha. He's the big dog. See, I didn't know this about the alpha shit. And with Scully, I was, again, a new dog owner, right? So I would go to let Scully and Mulder out. And Scully would barge through the door.

Right, he's the alpha. First, she was the alpha. She's the alpha. So what I would, and I didn't know this until later in life, later in her life. What I would get like fucking shitty about it. Like, hey man, him first.

And so I'd hold her back and let him out. And the betrayal on her face and the confusion on Mulder's face of like, bro, bro, no, no, no, no, no, bro, let her go. Let her go, bro. Isn't it funny how we attach these human characteristics to animals? We decide that we're going to stop bullying amongst the dogs. Yeah, like I know the order of things.

You should go first. Bullying in grade school, bad. Bullying in dogs, you ain't going to do shit about it. You just better let that go. Just don't let them fight with each other. But my two older dogs, they're the only ones that have issues Marshall's the younger dog He runs circles around everybody But when I open the door to feed them the big one comes in first

Every time if the little ones too close to the door he'll fucking sideswiped your ass bitch. I mean first That's what's going to clear rules, but I let them do it. They don't fight with each other You know they're cool with everything. But this is just the leadership that they've established. And it's one of those things that, like, hit me in the wrong way because I'm not an animal. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, they've obviously got a system down.

They've worked it out. Everything's fucking cool. My friend Whitney Cummings knows way more about dogs and animals than I do. She actually has, like, a horse that she raises that's like a rescue horse. She rides it with no saddle, and she has a bunch of dogs. Wait, rescue horse? Somebody got rid of a horse? No, it's a horse.

I think if they use them for movies and stunt horses and stuff like that, they don't have one person who owns them. Some horses get abandoned, and she rescued this one horse. So very similar to what happens with dogs. Someone abandons a horse? Yep, yep. Horses get abused. In fact, I was talking to Kat Zingano the other day, too. She's one of the top UFC women bantamweight fighters.

And she was talking about equine therapy, too, that she's worked with horses and takes care of horses. And there's something about a human bond with a horse. You're petting a horse and riding a horse and feeding a horse there's like a very good love bond that people develop with horses but ain't whitney knows a shitload about animals my point and she when i talked to her about her dogs she's like she goes well i'm the boss she goes i don't walk around them. I walk through them. I walk through them I pad they're out of my fucking way like we have a real clear like there's a power structure in the house Whitney's the top boss and then all the dogs have to just deal with her so she's like she's the out of the 100% She pushes him out of the way. She decides when they eat she makes some sleeping pens like she she oh really? Yeah, she gives them rules.

Yeah. That's a lot of structure. She's a pretty gangster. Yeah. Yeah, she's an intense woman. I would not want to be mothered in that way. Like you, get in your corner, bitch. They're dogs. She's like, they're not people.

And we attach these human characteristics and needs to them, and that's not what they want. What they want is order. And they want you to be, they want love and a lot of affection, and they want exercise and all those other great things and good food. But also want order and her order is she's the fucking boss she's the boss that makes sense it totally makes sense yeah she's read a shitload of books on it i've read a couple books like way way back in the day on dogs i read some books on dogs but i don't know enough all my information is specious picked up from fucking vets and and also probably a lot of theories that I stitch together myself.

Sure, me too. Disinformation. I project onto the animals like fucking crazy. Do you give your dogs voices and shit like that? Voices? Yeah, like do you do the dog's life for your wife and stuff? Like I'm always like. No.

You don't? I do sometimes for Marshall because he's so silly. Because he's such a silly dog. So you'll be like, oh, you're a silly dog. What am I going to do? There you go. What am I going to do? Fucking my voice for shecky is

i he check in my world the little dachshund calls me the man she doesn't know my name she just knows me as the man she knows my wife is that lady so she's always like the man is home oh i love the man he's full of pets and food because i i wonder how they view me do they view me as an alpha because i'm the guy that's like I'll take you out for a walk. I'm going to give you fucking food. Well, your voice is deeper. You're larger. And you would be the most intimidating if you had to fight to the death.

But they don't see me like that. Of course they do. Because they've never even seen me be mad. I'm always like, I love you. They hear your voice. You have a deep voice. They've heard me fight with my wife and they're like, I don't want to get into shit with him. If you guys are arguing and yelling at each other, for sure.

But the fact that you have a deep voice, I mean, it shows your male. That's enough for them to not... Yeah, but all right. But let's say, like, Shucky I've had for 13 years. Over 13 years, this little dog knows, like, I got him wrapped around my finger. I can make the man do anything I want.

The way you talk and the way you look, if a guy the size of LeBron James was right next to you with his fucking crazy deep voice and super powerful body and he talked to that dog that dog would listen to him oh really be like oh that's the boss you'd be like finally a real man's voice well there's just a hundred percent no doubt about it that's a way bigger organism than that dog right and it's talking with this deep voice and it has confidence like yep whatever you need I'm just gonna lay down right here and but if you were like some little what's that fella like give me a small person's

name herve village's no no no no i meant like very thin um wispy tony tony hinchcliffe well tony hinchcliffe when tony hinchcliffe was 20 let's say that and he tried to you know talk to the same dog in the same room the dog would be like dismissive like someone used to LeBron James

give me directions you call that a voice you call that timber I might be able to eat you so I think like with Whitney's case she doesn't leave any room for any gray area

she just runs the roost but she's super affectionate with her dog I saw these pictures on Instagram of her cuddling with her dogs. She clearly loves dogs. But she's like, to the book, how to take care of them.

Getting your fucking cage. Some people sleep with their dogs and shit, which is cool. But the dogs are farting in your face and stuff. You're trying to sleep and they're snoring. Like, you're losing sleep for a dog. I don't know about all that. I don't know if that's the move. Bro, you literally cried sleep for a dog. I don't know about all that. I don't know if that's the move. Bro, you literally cried about a puppy before.

I know, but in the bed with you? And now you're going to tell me, like, I draw a line of dog farts. I don't care how fucking cute they are. You can have your own bed, dude. It's over there. You go over there. I'm in here. No, no, no.

Let me come in bed with you. They take their dog shit smeared paws and rub your sheets with them and touch your pillowcase. They don't wash their feet. That's part of the deal. Well, that's why they don't sleep in the bed, man. This is ridiculous. I let the little one sleep in the bed with us. But she got very short hair, too.

When I was in high school, my dog had fleas real bad, and I had fleas in my carpet. It was fucking rough, man. I would go through the house, and I would find fleas on my calves. Like in the walk on my carpet from my bed to the bathroom in the hallway, I would have fleas on my leg. When I lived with my parents in New Jersey at 21 Jackson Street, we were cat people. You trying to out-flea me, motherfucker?

I am. Here it comes. Watch this. I am about to pull out my flea dick and throw it on the table against your own flea dick. We had cats, and the cats, a lot of them were outside cats, so they would come in with fleas. And we'd never had pets when I was a small child. We didn't start getting cats in our house until I was about 12, 13 or something. So my mom, having no prior experience with cats and stuff,

decided that flea problems are too much. We have to give the cats baths with fucking flea shampoo and stuff. So you would do that, and cats don't like to be anywhere near water and shit like that oh my god it was terrible get scratched up well i know because my mother also insisted that i clipped the cat's toenails first she wanted them like declawed and i was like you can't do that man like cats need their fucking claws in nature and shit she's like well you have to clip the cat's toenails they do that at the vet all the time so you know you take off the hooky point part man right and then you can they don't like that they don't like it but they like it better than if you took their fucking claws out

all together and shit um so i used to bathe the cat and then when you bathe in the cat with flea shampoo every fucking flea comes to the surface to try to live and so they would fill the fucking sink like just in the water and you know they're dying in the water because the shampoo is in the water as well but my mom would always take it a step further she would give me a set of tweezers and she would be like get that one and i would fucking pull a flea off the cat and you have to press really fucking hard because they're kind of flat to kill them otherwise they just jump away and then come back to the cat when it's dry that was like my it wasn't a set schedule like every tuesday night i bathe the cats but once a They're kind of flat. To kill them, otherwise they just jump away and then come back to the cat when it's dry.

That was like my, it wasn't a set schedule. Like every Tuesday night I'd bathe the cats. But once a week my mom would be like, you have to bathe the cats. So once a week they had fleas? And that included the defleeing. Did you ever get rid of the fleas? Never. Never. You know what got rid of the fleas?

There was a storm. The cats died. Yes, eventually. It was the nor'easter of 92. On the east coast we had this big storm like it was kind of like a hurricane sandy but though not as big um and our town got flooded including like our neighborhood and we had like 30 outdoor cats that my dad would feed we were finding those cats for like weeks after the flood people would be like we found six of your cats under our house and we're

like they're not our cats number one they're alive or drowned dead a lot of these poor cats are like on fences dead yeah dead i hit that that was all maximum impact dead very theatrical um we found a few like holding on to fences you know like to escape the flood waters it was heartbreaking smart ones went up in trees though and they stuck around and lived but after that flood no fleas whatsoever but not nearly as many cats either. That might have helped. Jesus Christ. Yeah. You ever a cat guy or were you always a dog person?

I've always had cats. Yeah, I've always had both. Pretty much. That's why you really don't want to die at the paws of a mountain cat. Well, I just know what they are. Nasty. They're fucking super predators. They catch deer with their face.

They kill deer with their face. They use their face to kill a deer. They bite it in the neck. They tackle it and take it down. That's why mountain cats are scary. They're unbelievably powerful. I had this guy Donnie Vinson in here yesterday. He's an outdoor filmmaker.

And he was talking about a cat that these guys had hunted and killed that weighed 200 pounds. And it was two years old. Two years old. It weighed 200 pounds. It had been eating so many deer that it was just this massive, jacked fucking super predator that was just roaming through the forest. And ask those guys in seattle that you know survived the one guy that survived the one guy that died from that attack the mountain bike

attack they're fucking terrifying animals why um so do you think they attacked the people just because they were like we're fucking hungry yes it was just so he was emaciated i think that's exact he tried to eat them he wanted wanted to eat them. He was starving. And so he knew that they were an organism. They weren't a normal thing on the diet, but it was so risky. It was so rather hungry that it was willing to take those risks. It was willing to go after some people, even though the people were swinging their bike at it. That was the part of the story that got me the most, the bike swinging. They're so big, dude.

Because you're like, that's what I would do. I guess I would swing the bike. And you would think, this bike will save me but no you know it brings it back to my story about the house cat when i threw that blanket on him dude i couldn't believe how strong he was he was so strong because he was fighting for his life he thought i was going to kill him so i'm trying to stuff him into this laundry basket he's going fucking crazy and all i was thinking is what does this cat weigh eight pounds like maybe eight pounds i'm fucking terrified of him all it has to do is catch a jugular too it's a little more complicated than that is it yeah it'd be hard what do you mean you'd put your

hand on it stop the bleeding i mean it's not gonna kill you like a lion kills you what if it used but what if it got both claw sets of claws on what all right with a tiger all both sets of claws on it? All right. With a tiger or a lion. All four sets of claws onto your jugular. No, no. Shredding it in so many different directions. Really? It's mostly giving you superficial scratches. It's very rare that someone gets killed by a house cat. All right, here.

Here's the situation. You're fucking a house cat, and it reaches back and claws into your femoral artery. Well, you should let it go because you don't want to rape a house cat. It's clearly not consensual at this point. Clearly. If you fought to the death with a house cat, I would bet on you. You would win. But it would be ugly.

Thanks, man. But the force that you can generate is lethal. The force that it can generate is ferocious but non-lethal. Like if you put me in a room with a cat, I'm coming out of that fucking room 100% of the time. With a house cat? It's going to be dead. I'm going to kill that house cat. Yeah, but it's going to fuck me up in the process. You're going to walk away with some scars. I'm going to get scratched up. I'm going to have bloody hands. I might get my face clawed up, but I'm going to kill it. As soon as that thing gets to half my size, I'm dead. Is that right? Half my size. Yeah. Not even. One quarter of

my size. Let's say it's a 50 pound cat. I'm fucked. Why? Because it's too powerful. 50 pound cat is like a 150 pound, 200 pound man. Plus they have fangs. They have claws. It would be much stronger and faster. You wouldn't be able to stop it from biting

you and clawing at you. It would be too big. And if you got to 100 pounds, you're fucking dead. If it gets to 200 pounds, you're super dead. You're dead quick. It'll crush your head. It's going to grab ahold of your neck. It's going to crush your esophagus, crush your windpipe. And it's going to, it has sensors in its teeth. Like certain, certain big cats, they can feel where your veins are with their teeth their teeth have like a sense of where it can bite into you know how like

you ever eat something and you feel like a hard piece of something like maybe you're eating a crab or something like that a little piece of shell gets in there you gotta move that shell around inside your mouth while you're chewing and you get the shell over here that shell around inside your mouth while you're chewing and you get the shell over here. That sense of moving your tongue and knowing what that – that cat has that with a fang and knows how to hit like an antelope's jug or a lion when it bites into something.

To take it out quick. It can feel where the blood is. It feels where the veins are. And he just – But it doesn't want the blood, right? It's just like I know that if I break this thing, this thing will stop moving and I can eat it.

It's mostly cut off the air. If you see mostly what they do, mostly what they do is crush the neck. It's more that than it is like cut you, like a knife would cut your jugular. It's mostly crushing everything. If you have the presence of mind, like let's say this thing

is crushing your windpipe. Can you reach up and choke a cat to death? I don't think so. Why? Because I think they're too strong. What do you mean strong? They're too strong. So would it be swatting at you or something? Or too much muscle around its neck? Too much muscle, both. What if you put your fingers

in its eyes? That would be one of the only things that I could think might have an effect, but it would probably just rip your fingers off so quickly. You jam your finger up the cat's ass. Instantly, it stops what it's thinking about. How are you going to get way back there, son? How are you going to get way back there? That's what I do with my last few fucking breaths, dude.

No way. A few feet left or right and you'd be unsuccessful. The same way that little kitten was attacking you is like, I'm going to fuck you up. I would leave this life in the mouth of a big cat with my fingers up its ass. It would know that I was there before I left this fucking world. Because if you stick your finger up a dog's ass, it breaks its concentration. No, it doesn't. No?

No. That's an old wives tale? No. You ever see two pit bulls fighting each other? Stick your finger up their ass. Watch what happens. You're holding your finger in the ass of a dog that's biting another dog. That's what's happening.

Nothing. They don't do shit. They keep biting each other. No. I've always read that if you stick your finger up a dog's ass, it'll instantly stop what it's doing. If you got a bitch ass dog that doesn't have focus and drive,

you're like, it ain't the dog, it's you. There are certain dogs that are going to hang on. They're just going to hang on. So if Pitbull had the presence of mind to be like, I know your finger's in my ass, but biting this other dog is the most important thing in the world. They're driven.

Because you want a pet, not me. Yeah, they're very driven. Your cat may want to kill you, study says. I fucking buy that in a heartbeat. I believe that. Look, they would absolutely kill you if you were big enough, or if they were big enough, rather. Look at the photo they choose to use. 100% would kill you if they could.

That's the Joker of cats. What, the cat? Yeah, if you were the size of the cat and the cat was the size of you, you'd be dead. A house cat? 100%. Yeah, 100% would kill you if they could. That's the joker of cats. What, the cat? Yeah, if you were the size of the cat and the cat was the size of you, you'd be dead. A house cat? Yeah, 100%. What if you were its friend from the beginning? They don't have friends like that. Like, I have a joke in my act about how you could have a dog and have a pet hamster,

and that hamster could live a long and healthy life in the same house, running around. If you've got a good dog and you train that dog, if you've got a cat that lives in a house with a hamster, the hamster has an hour to live. If it's lucky. There's no such thing as a cat that also has a pet hamster. That's a dead animal next to that cat. They kill everything, everything they can.

Canaries, lizards, whatever the fuck you leave around that they can kill, that's what they like to do. They like to kill shit. Why do we have this relationship with them then? Because they are small, that's what they like to do. They like to kill shit. Why do we have this relationship with them then? Because they are small and like, you can't kill me. Because we're bitches. We're the bitches to the cats. We feed them.

We give them free massages. They don't do anything for us. All they do is curl up to you and go, I want you to touch me. And you go, I love you too. He didn't say he loves you. If you die, the first thing that happens to you when you die is the cats eat your face. Is that true? Yeah, they get hungry.

They start eating your lips. They can't get to anything else. Yeah, people that find dead bodies. What does it say? Woman nearly killed by stray cat left covered in blood because cats are mean and awful. That's an honest headline. Wait a second. Wait, go back to what we said before we read that.

Which part? I don't know. The thing you just said. It was shocking. Sorry, I distracted. Yeah, you totally took my head out the game. but it was about the, fuck, it was just about the, yeah. Dogs. The cat. Oh, if the cat was as big as me, the cat would kill me. Oh yeah.

A hundred percent. Yeah. If a cat was like. But what about a dog? If his dog was as big as me? No, dogs can be giant and still be your friend. That's why a woman could be like 90 pounds and have a 200 pound mastiff and that dog will totally listen to her.

She raised that dog from the time it was a puppy. She can ride it like Khaleesi rides a dragon. She probably could if she wanted to. Totally. But that dog will listen to her. If you have a cat that big, you better hope that that cat just decides to not kill you because one day it might just get bored, and they're not planning ahead. They're not investment bankers.

They just don't like the way you're moving one day. Just jump on you and just fuck you up and kill you. It's true. I've been like hit by cats, like not like in the face, but like you're sitting there and all of a sudden they're like, for no good reason. So if you were, if that cat was eight times its size. Did you see that video of the guy who was a longtime animal trainer and he trained lions and he trained this lion for like 10 years

and he's in the pen with the thing and the thing just looked at him funny and the guy starts backing up it's like oh no and he runs and this lion just chases after this motherfucker grabs him by the head and drags him around and apparently he survived the lion let him go and somehow or another they got the lion away from him got the guy guy to a hospital. But he was an older guy. I want to say he was deep into his 60s and this lion was dragging him around by his fucking head. And this is a lion that he had trained. Isn't that what happened? What's her name?

Melanie Griffith? Her whole family lived with lions. Wild animals, lions, yeah. And I think Melanie Griffith got bit or scratched as a child. Oh, did she really? Yeah, in her early teens or something like that. Oh, that's terrifying. She had to have facial reconstructive surgery.

No, really? I believe so. Whoa, I never heard that. There's a movie that they shot. I knew that she lived with them. They shot, I forget the name of the movie, but they shot the movie of them interacting with the documentary about them living with big cats. Yeah, when you watch the video online, it doesn't even look real.

You're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Is that real? That's really Melanie Griffin with lions and tigers and shit? Yeah. How many different cats did they have? There was a lot, right? I want to say there was five.

It's the kind of thing you just ask people. How many cats? How many big cats? You can ask Jamie. To be entering the Griffith set. Yeah, I'm looking at the article right now. Jamie's a wizard with that Google. Pull it up so we can see the photos.

It's so preposterous. Look at that. Look, that's crazy. That's crazy. It's crazy. But look how fun that looks. Shouldn't that be the way life is? You imagine if you were burglary and you broke into that fucking house?

Holy shit, what a mistake. Imagine you break into a house and you see a 600-pound African male lion just looking at you with that gigantic head of death. Fuck, man. The bizarre tale of Melanie Griffith and her pet lion. Do they talk about the attack? That's what I was looking for. But look at her spitting water into the big cat's mouth. It says no one in the family was ever injured by the lion.

No one? By that lion? By that one. Oh. By Neil. But Neil certainly could have killed any of them at a moment's notice. At one point,

he did attack Ron Oxley, his owner, during a dinner party at his home. Fuck all of that. After Neil, the family went on to adopt numerous big cats, which resulted in a series

of serious injuries. Oh. Now 57 years old, Melanie has learned from the experience and runs a sanctuary. She runs a sanctuary for 32 big cats. Oh my God, look at that thing on the desk. That is so insane. First of all, doesn't that thing

need exercise just to keep it shit together? Look at the size of that fucker. How much do you think you gotta feed that guy? A lot, dude, and only meat. They're obligate carnivores you know they're not like a dog look at how tall he is in the fridge huge animal man that's the point where i'm like i'm not working here anymore it's just laying around their house look at the fucking muscles on that thing and do you think they're like cats like will they only shit where

they're supposed to shit you imagine like cat like that shits where it wants. The thing about the size of this cat, I mean, this is... That's crazy. It's so big. It must be a thrill to be around something that could just kill you at any moment. And apparently lions in particular are pretty cool with people.

Yeah, that's nuts. They're playing. The lion has her by the leg. She's jumping into the pool and it's fake biting her. Fuck all of that. Fuck everything about that picture. Put that on a t-shirt with those words.

Look at her right there. Look at her. They were friends, dude. They were buddies. Look how young she looked. She's a kid. She's in her teens at this point. She has a giant lion in her yard.

Find the thing. They're cooler with people apparently than tigers tigers are a little sketchier tigers are a little sketchier so like you'd have an easier time owning a lion than you would yeah i this is i'm talking way out of school but what i believe is the case is that male lions are mostly there to protect the pride they're mostly there yeah they're not the hunters, right? Right, they're the bigger ones. The females do all the hunting.

Look at the size of that female! Oh my God! What's going on there? It's attacking her in the movie? Yeah, that's what the link is. Watch this close call below. So it's biting her? I mean, it's got her mouth around the ribs.

Is it actually hurting her? I mean, it's got her mouth around the ribs. Is it actually hurting her? She doesn't look happy. I'm not showing it online. Whoa, this is crazy. All right, this is fucked up. So this was in the movie. They were freaking out that the lion was biting somebody. It says the father refused to yell cut.

Oh, my God. This is real? Yeah. Oh, my God. No blood was drawn, and the lion grabbed her hair and pulled her back. So the lion was just fucking with her. But it's dangerous. She was once clawed to the face during the filming that required reconstructive surgery.

That's the story that I'd heard, is she was clawed to the face. Fuck, they're so irresponsible. And, you know, there's several lions in this house. It's not just one. In their house. Yeah, the lions are just running shit. And I think they picked them. They were lions that came from services and shit.

Spent $17 million on the movie, and it brought back two. On Roar? Yeah. After this podcast, get ready for another 50 bucks. And that's 17, how much? 1971. $17 million in 1971? Yeah. That's a nice way to launder cocaine money, son. That's what's how much? 1971. $17 million in 1971? Yeah.

This is a nice way to launder cocaine money, son. That's what's going on there. What is that today? Like $80 million? That's a billion trillion dollars. What I was saying was I think what happens is that lions, the male lions don't hunt. They usually just eat the kill that the female lions hunt. They're doing all the hunting.

But with tigers, the male lions hunt they they're doing all the hunting but with tigers the male lions hunt like they're all hunt and they don't they don't operate in packs you know they're not like they're independent yeah rogue yeah they're not they don't they don't operate the same way lions do they don't have a pride you know i don't think i think tigers pretty much on their own you know i think the females take care of the cubs as long as they can but i don't think they they have these big i could be wrong find out if i'm wrong i don't but i don't think tigers operate in like like that kind of a group um in a world where like i've got a miniature dachshund that means that somebody genetically made that dog smaller right well when you say genetically they're not doing it through a

laboratory they're doing it through selective breeding, and it's remarkably effective. Can you do that? I just needed that to get to this point. Can you do that with a tiger, a baby tiger? Yes. So could you? That's what happened. All house cats have come from some kind of wild cat that we turned into a domestic cat.

And there's a bunch of different varieties of cats, right? The difference between cats and dogs is that all dogs come from wolves all of them every one every dog every dog started as a wolf tigers do not live in permanent groups like lions do for the most part they live solitary lives except when females are raising cubs although rarely seen the term for a group of tigers is a streak that's a dope word that is a streak of tigers a murder of crows that's pretty hot's a dope word. That is. A streak of tigers. A murder of crows. That's pretty hot. That's dope. My mom used to call me tiger when I was a kid.

Now I can tell her, mom, if there was another one, we'd be a streak of tigers. Tigers fuck things up, man. They all fuck things up. All the males hunt. And they're a fast fucking animal, man. Oh, what is this guy? It's on YouTube. He got fucked up in this movie. This is also Roar. This is Roar. This is the whole movie. It's on YouTube if you like. Oh, what is this guy? It's on YouTube. He got fucked up in this movie.

This is also Roar. This is Roar. This is the whole movie. It's on YouTube if you look. Oh. I just randomly clicked to a spot where they happen to be attacking him. And the movie is about how they have these big lions. What the fuck?

It seems like an insane movie. It's called The Most Dangerous Movie Ever Made. Oh, my God. This guy's an idiot. And when they said the father didn't yell cut, that was Melanie Griffith's dad was directing? Dude, this is crazy. These lions are fighting for dominance, and this guy is running around in between them

while they're filming a shitty movie. So crazy. Look, it's like, fuck you, bitch. Stay out of my business. Stay out of my business. The lion just wanted him to know that that little tree branch was not going to stop him. Jesus Christ, this is so stupid.

What's with the fucking blood? Because they're cutting each other up, man. They're biting each other and fucking each other up. It's what they do, man. And this was a movie that was meant to show how stupid the guy made the movie is. What does it say? Roar is a 1981 American adventure exploitation film written and directed by Noel Marshall, produced and starring Marshall and his then-wife, Tippi Hendren,

co-starring Hendren's real-life daughter, Melanie Griffith, and Marshall's real-life sons, John and Jerry. Oh, they were a Brady Bunch-type family. The film follows a family who are attacked by a range of ravening jungle animals at the secluded home of their keeper. I always thought this was a documentary. They were literally making a movie with fucking real lions about how lions were attacking people.

70 members of its cast and crew being injured by the many predatory animals used in the film, including its main stars, sustaining life-threatening injuries ranging from bone fractures to scalpings and gangrene. Much of the footage capturing the injuries was included in the final cut of the film, resulting in real blood on screen. It has been considered the most dangerous film shoot in history. Wow. Okay, we need to do a fight companion.

They had tigers as well? Oh, my God. They had leopards or jaguars. Were those jaguars or leopards? Do you know the difference? Dude, look at the tiger. I know one lives in a different part of the world. He just jumped in the boat.

Yeah, congratulations. They hit him in the fucking face. Well, they have to, I think. You have to get it to think who's boss. Is that a panther? Of course it is. Fuck all this. What are these people doing?

You're in a boat with a tiger and now the boat's sinking. You fuck. You fuckity fuck. This is life of pie. Oh my god. Look at that thing. It's so big. Alright, we gotta save it for the companion. Jesus. So what we'll do is one day we'll do a fight companion. Put that movie on.

Save it. This week we're doing Roar. Yeah, we'll do a- This week we're doing Roar. Yeah, we'll do Roar. Can we get in trouble for that? Can we get in trouble for a Fight Companion for Roar? No, there's people that do things like this. Yeah, no, totally. What is it considered?

It's commentary. You're reviewing it. Yeah, that needs to be seen. That needs to be heard. I'm completely educated. I thought it was a documentary. Me too. But they were trying to make a narrative, a fictionary.

I didn't even know there was a documentary. I just knew that she had lived with lions, and I'd seen it in a magazine article or something. And that's not even her real dad. That's her stepdad. Her stepdad was fucking crazy. Could you imagine your stepdad's like, get in there with the lion. Don't show me anything, Jamie. Don't you do this.

Don't you put that evil on me, Jamie. Oh, my God. What is it? More of the movie. Look at all the cats in the room with her. I don't know how many. I can't count them. Dude, fuck all that. Fuck all that.

People are crazy. And I'm sure the cats are, like, confused as fuck by the rolling cameras as well. Being like, what is this all about? Yeah, they're horrible. I mean, that's the cleanup crew for the world. That's what cats are. They're out there taking out as many of those fucking zebras or water buffalo or whatever they can. And so that's what they want to do all the time. And if you're just feeding them and then you just have them in a yard, they don't even do

anything. Like you, you got to exercise the fuck out of those girls to keep them from just that kills lust that's in their body. Like they evolved over millions of years to get to this point where there's, there's this enormous hulking, super naturally powerful animal that kills things with its face. And you just take that away from them. It's no, you're going to be in the pool with us. You're going to be in our movie.

We're going to start off in this boat. Come on, hop in the boat. Pretend to fight. And they're like, what? Pretend. And this guy's like, when the fuck do the antelopes show up so I can start jacking fools?

Would you agree that since you do more outdoorsy activity than me, i.e. running, i.e. you've gone hunting and stuff like that, your chances of being eaten alive are far greater than mine? Oh, yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, it's like surfers. of being eaten alive are far greater than mine. Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, it's like surfers. I'm in a 0% chance in most of my life of getting eaten by a shark.

But I have friends who are surfers who surf all the time, and they fucking love it, and they're willing to roll that dice because they like surfing that much. And I'm like, you know, you can't get bit by a shark if you don't go in the ocean. Yeah. And they're like, it's worth it. We've got this shark thing figured out and defeated. Just don't go in the ocean yeah and they're like we've got this shark thing figured out and defeated just don't go in the ocean they say it's worth it i i gotta tell

you man like there's a bunch of bad ways to die but i always felt like the the most indignity i would ever feel in death was if i was something else's food it's one thing if i'm like my body goes into the earth and fucking the worms and the grass and shit like that but to be someone's fucking meal is so it's a temporary a permanent solution to a temporary problem your life for their meal of the moment and they're just gonna shit you out in a couple hours and that's why i think it's hard for humans to get their head around being eaten by something because like no i'm, no, I'm too special. And then they're just going to poop me out.

But that would be the indignity, man. It's like, fuck, they ate me to stay alive, I guess. But then it's not like I sustained them forever. Like I sustained them for a couple fucking hours and they shit me out. Yeah. Well, that is how it works, right? Yeah. It's very disturbing seeing images of humans that have been eaten by animals.

I've never seen any, and I don't want to see any. You don't want to. I saw this figure starting to move toward a keyboard. I'm like, no, no, no. Classic one of a body that they found that bears had eaten. And? It was horrific. It's just crazy to look at.

Does it even look human anymore? I mean, you know what it is because it was still wearing sneakers, and it still had half of its pants on. And it's still like, you know the one? Yeah. You could see the thigh bone. I mean, the meat from the bone had been completely stripped off and it was just nothing but the thigh bone. And it's just horrific.

You've got to realize those things, man, when they get a hold of you, the amount of power that a bear could generate, like especially a grizzly bear. My friend John saw a grizzly bear kill a moose by swatting it, swatted it with its paw and broke its back. A moose. I mean. Second deadliest animal on the planet. It is a big.

Is it really? Yeah. Right after the hippo. Isn't that crazy? Nobody thinks about it because when you think about the moose. It is a big, is it really? Yeah, right after the hippo. Second deadliest? Isn't that crazy? Nobody thinks about it because when you think about the moose, you're like, oh, hey, Rocky, watch people who have it in their head. Hippo is the most dangerous animal to man on the planet.

In terms of like how many people get killed? Mammal. Second is the moose. Wow. Part of the deer family. That's crazy. They're the only deer really that will regularly rush people. You don't want to be anywhere near the moose during the rutting season.

There's that, but really more importantly is you don't want to be near a cow when she's got her calves. That's more scary. We've seen video of that online. That's the same thing with grizzlies. Yeah, they say the real fear is not running into a male grizzly. The real fear is running into a female with cubs. They'll fuck you up. She's got something to lose.

Well, they don't want you around. You might be a hunter. grizzly the real fear is running to a female with cubs they'll get something to lose well they just they don't want you around you might be a hunter maybe they they've seen uh someone shoot an animal before maybe they saw some one of their family it's like that little cat that's just like suddenly like you're gonna kill me yep even though you were buddies well it has cubs if it has cubs man they're they're on fucking full red alert all day long because they get eaten all the time. Their cubs get eaten by other bears. Do you know what's so fucking weird? It's like an animal has enough sense to be like, something's here.

I'm going to protect my kids. And we just watched footage from a movie where the guy's like, get closer to that lion, honey. Spit water in its mouth. Yeah, because we're soft and we love the thrill of being that close to death and danger. I don't. No, you're a smart man. No, I'm I don't. No, you're a smart man. I'm a chicken man. No, you're a wise man.

No courage. I just want to extend my lifeline. No, no, no. You don't. That is not true. You have courage. You just choose to not put yourself in dangerous situations all the time. You would have never taken this path in life and become this guy if you didn't have any courage.

You absolutely have courage. But you're just smart enough to know that you're not like a physical person. You don't want to do those things. You definitely don't want to be around some fucking giant-ass cat that can kill you. It's not a matter of being a coward. It's a matter of being smart. It's true. But if everything – that's a matter of being smart now.

You would be a different person. But if everything collapses and shit like that, then I got no livable skills. Nah, no one does. You're ready to fucking take to the hills with a fucking bow and defend yours. Oh man, I'm fucked, just like you are. How many arrows do I have? You know, how long can I live with these arrows, you know? What happens if I break one? Then I'm down to 20

arrows? How long can I live with 20 arrows? How many things am I going to miss? How many broadheads do I have? I'm going to have to break into a Cabela's, steal a bunch of arrow shafts, figure out if they've got a gluing machine, I've got to learn how to restring a bow, what if one of the risers snaps, I've got to get some spare bows somehow

and have them laying around. I'm not doing well, man. I'm going to be real skinny, I'm going to miss a lot, I'm not going to get enough food. But you know what's going to happen? You're going to be like, at least I didn't die years ago like Kev. Because he had no bow skills whatsoever. But do you want to be one of the people that restart civilization? Fuck no. Yeah.. But do you want to be one of the people that restart civilization?

Fuck no. Yeah. No. Do you know there's civilization? Because then you get blamed when everyone's like, this sucks. It's your fault. You restarted civilization. Like, I tried.

What's going on right now in Hawaii is fairly minor. What is it? In terms of volcanic activity. The volcanic activity, yeah. In terms of the world. Like, there's giant events that happen every, you know, 100,000, 80,000, whatever, all over the world. And the giant events, these super volcanoes, have been responsible for knocking people down to an estimated – what was the number?

Something like 7,000. 7,000 people somewhere. It was maybe a couple thousand, 70,000 years ago. Is that where I'm getting the seven from? thousand years ago is that where i'm getting the seven seven from uh but it was a super volcano that the human population killed everyone except for a few thousand people and there was this was somewhere around i think it was 60 70 000 years ago what does it say a pompeii like event 70 000 roughly a thousand reproductive people were a thousand people left 70,000 years ago. A thousand. That was the last of the humans, and they repopulated

from that number to us. One says it was as low as 40. 40 people. Maybe. So it's just a rough estimate. This is biblical. Where are they getting this information? Well, listen, man, if Yellowstone blows, we're dealing with the exact same situation again. Most of North America's dead. Explain? What?

Yellowstone is a super volcano. Wow. Might have hit as low as what? What happened? You went to a JFK thing. I don't know what that is. Conspiracies. Breeding pairs of people. Well, we've waxed so we can win. Let's hope we win gently. Because once in our history, the worldwide

population of human beings skidded so sharply we were down to roughly a thousand reproductive adults one study says we hit as low as 40 40 come on i can't be right well the technical term is 40 breeding pairs children not included more likely there was a drastic dip and then 5 000 to 10 000 bedraggled homo sapiens struggled together in pitiful little clumps hunting and gathering for thousands of years until in the late stone Age we humans began to recover. But for a time there, says science writer

Sam Kean, we damn near went extinct. And that was because of a volcano? That's amazing. What is it? What killed the lava? The ash? Blocks the sun? Blocks the sun. Everybody runs out of food. Everything goes extinct. It's the matrix. It gets really fucking cold. Look at that very scientific drawing.

Look at the difference in Mount St. Helens. A little fart. Vesuvius, 79 CE. So the Toba super volcano is the one that happened 70,000 years ago? Yeah. Yeah. So that was a massive. That was around for Mount St. Helens.

Do you remember that? Massive super. Yeah, I remember that. Captured my imagination as a kid. I was like, we got volcanoes on this bitch? Well, Yellowstone is the spooky one because that's a super volcano. I thought it was just water. No, no.

Yellowstone is what they call a caldera volcano. Meanwhile, what it is is it gets to this peak and the eruption is so violent. It flattens out and the mountain disappears. And they just left this crater. And so when they were first looking at it, they were trying to figure out what it was. They didn't know if it was an impact crater, what it was this crater. And so when they were first looking at it, they were trying to figure out what it was. They didn't know if it was an impact crater, what it was this crater from. And then they started using satellite imagery.

I want to say like 20 years ago. 20 plus years ago, they realized that it was a super volcano. An enormous volcano. I think it's something like 600 kilometers across. And if that fucker blows, like that is a wrap for North America. That's a wrap and it blows every

six to eight hundred thousand years and the last time it blew was six hundred thousand years ago so we could be on the verge of the within the next two hundred thousand years within the next two hundred thousand years it's likely if the history repeats itself again that we get some sort of unbelievably violent event that comes out of yellowstone that literally brings humanity to its knees so all of our problems with overpopulation destroying the environment and crime and war and corruption they will seem like nothing because there will be no fucking sun getting in there will be nuclear winter plants dying this ain't even the thanos snap and half the people disappear this is like these are the end times the sky is it's 100 possible that something like that if especially if there's

more than one of them went off like say yellowstone goes off and then say one goes off somewhere else in the world i think isn't there like seven or eight super volcanoes? There's seven or eight of them, I want to say, worldwide. And if two went off at once, it could split the Earth? I think it would just cover the Earth with ash. The problem is the ash, the ejections and all that stuff, just blocks out the sun, and it lingers for years. Three of them are in the western part of the United States.

What are they? Wait, that's where we are. Three? Fuck, dude. What are the other Wait, that's where we are. Three of them? Three? Fuck, dude. What are the other ones? Long Valley and Valley Grand. I've never heard of those. What is that?

I don't know. Never heard of those? That one looks super close to us. Where the fuck is that one? We're sitting on it right now. Let me look it up. I used to be scared of that shit. I think those are super volcanoes there.

Now I don't get as scared of that some more. Do you feel different now that you've had a heart attack do you feel like you're a different person do you have a second lease on life as it were there is but not in the way like you see in movies where you're like can you feel is it mammoth mammoth is a super volcano long valley caldera oh shut the fuck up it's adjacent to mammoth mountain time to move so it could blow mammoth could blow yeah but wouldn't you rather be that close to ground zero? Like, because you don't want to live in the ash covered sky. Yeah, you want it to be in Glendale.

So it just erupts and just kills everybody anywhere near you. We're all taken care of. You don't want to be like a million miles away and watch it from the distance and know that in a month you're going to be starving to death. It's coming soon. Yeah, you're almost better off at having it happening right underneath you and just sucking you into the lava did you ever have a near-death experience no not really no it's not like it is in the movies where you

suddenly you're like now i see everything fucking more clearly it's certainly an organizing an organizer like where you're like you know i guess that shit just doesn't really matter so much anymore and periodically you sit there and go like oh fuck i almost died so it puts things in a different perspective but i saw a lot of folks online going like i can't wait to see what he makes next man because it's gonna be so profound and that's not true the next thing i'm gonna make is jane silent bob reboot there's nothing profound about it and stuff but i figured i figured because i started thinking about that why and i think it's because like i've just always at least for the last 20 years uh 25 of my career just conducted myself in a way like live a fucking bucket list life i just

do the things i want to do exactly that's why i hate you saying that you don't have any courage because that's that doesn't take courage that's't take courage. That's self-centered. No, it's self-centered. Courage is like, I don't know how this is going to work out, but like, you know, fucking. And also courage comes from a place that's not about you, I think. For me, I just want to do shit that seems interesting. Like, that seems fun to me. And you have the confidence to pursue that. Listen, dude, if the shit went down.

I don't know about confidence. I could teach you how to use a bow and arrow and you'd figure it out. You'd eventually rise. Just like you're losing all this weight and readjusting your life. I don't know about confidence. I could teach you how to use a bow and arrow, and you'd figure it out. You'd eventually rise, just like you're losing all this weight and readjusting your life. I don't know, dude. I think if it all went down, they'd be like, eat him first. And then I'd be so insulted because I'm like, you're just going to shit me out. I'm good for a podcast or two.

Please don't eat me. So tomorrow I have Robert Shock on the podcast. Who's that? He's this geologist from Boston University. Robert Shock on the podcast. Who's that? He's this geologist from Boston University. And he is one of many people that's now pushing this very controversial theory that the Sphinx and many of the other structures in Egypt are far older than people think they are. Not just like a couple thousand years ago, but maybe even 10,000 years ago, maybe even more.

And he bases it on water erosion marks in the Temple of the Sphinx. Like where the Sphinx was carved out in the Sphinx enclosure, there's all these deep fissures that they thought was sand and gravel and wind. But he has – he's a geologist, so he studied erosion his whole life. And he looked at it and he's like, this is water erosion from thousands of years of rainfall. And he goes into it in great detail. years of rainfall and he goes into in great detail the last time there was great rainfall in the nile valley was 9 000 years ago which is many thousand years before they think the pyramids were constructed so it's one of these things like they didn't even know of a civilization from 9 000 years ago that was capable of cutting and moving stone like this like this rewrites history super reluctant but the idea that all these people have these people that

are talking about these ancient civilizations is that humanity rose to a very high level and built some incredible structures. And then something like that super volcano or an asteroidal impact or an ice age, some gigantic catastrophic event wiped out a shitload of fucking people. And then people were forced to rebuild and sort of relearn. to fucking people. And then people were forced to rebuild and sort of relearn. So if you're looking at some of the construction of the pyramids, like the Great Pyramid of Giza, I'm pretty sure they've dated that to 2,500 BC. So the people that made the Sphinx and even some of the other structures, they might have been from longer ago in history in relationship to the construction of the Sphinx than we

are to the construction of the Great Pyramid. Like we might have, well, we're talking about if the Great Pyramid was 5,000 years old, right? It's entirely possible. This is required right now. I have to. It's entirely possible if the Great Pyramid of Giza, which I think is somewhere around 5,000 years old, if that was 5,000 years old, the Sphinx might be 4,000 or more years older than that.

There might be structures that are 10,500, even 30,000 years old. Some people, when they go deep, like a guy named John Anthony West, that was his deep speculation. Based on the way the Sphinx lines up with constellations and the constellation Leo, it does it at like 10,500 BC, but also it does it, or not, no, 10,500 years ago,

but it also does it at like 30,000 years ago or somewhere in that range, like really long ago, which people are going, get the fuck out of here. That's just not possible. And his take was like, we don't know. We're just talking about rocks. We don't know how these rocks got into this shape. This is just – we don't have anything to test. And there's no recorded history.

Well, they used to have some, but they've got hieroglyphs. They've got a few things, but they used to have the library of Alexandria. This is the Aztecs who supposedly had like an incredibly developed society. The Mayans and the Aztecs. The Mayans and the Aztecs. Yeah, they built some incredible structures. And they were like really into constellations as well. They lined up a lot of their structures with the constellations.

They knew a lot about the summer solstice, and they had a really complicated calendar that was like a 13 lunar cycle calendar. You know, there was like the thing where the Mayan calendar was supposed to end December 21st, 2012. A couple years ago, yeah. Dude, I thought it was over. I was telling everybody telling everybody we got a couple more years bro live your life i really seem to know what they were doing wait a sec so go back so if that turns out to be the case humanity has experienced these great great like high achievements in construction methods and

their ability to put together these enormous structures. And then cataclysm. People die off. They get down to a small number and then they rebuild. And then they do these dips and ups and downs over the course of thousands and thousands of years, which we've got to put into perspective. This country is only 250 years old. That's nothing.

So if you went back, go let's go full crazy let's go back 500 years go back 500 years which is nothing in terms of the history of the planet and nothing in terms of even the history of human beings relatively but 500 years there's nothing here but native americans there's no structures there's a few europeans that have visited there's a few set of people that have come over in Americans. There's no structures. There's a few Europeans that have visited. There's a few people that have come over in boats. But there's no buildings in terms of like there's no New York City. There's no Chicago. 500 years ago, there's nothing.

There's none of this. Yeah, go step outside a city, look around, do a 360 and look around and realize how improbable it all is. You go 1,000 years before that, same thing. 1,000 years before that, same thing. A thousand years before that, same thing. This is empty. This is empty for thousands and thousands of years. Now, 250 years later, it's crazy. It's stacked up with buildings and construction methods that we were never capable of 200 years ago, 300 years ago, 500 years ago.

We couldn't build these things. We couldn't make airplanes. We didn't have the knowledge yet. We didn't build these things. We couldn't make airplanes. We didn't have the knowledge yet. We didn't understand it yet. The idea is that people have gone through these great, great heights many times, but they did it in different ways. And that's why when you look at the construction of the Sphinx and the pyramids, nobody builds anything like the pyramids today. 2,300,000 stones, some of them cut from a quarry that was hundreds of miles away. They used to take the fucking rocks and float them down on boats and fit them into places. It's crazy.

So the knowledge they must have had, the wisdom, the understanding of construction methods, if you're off just a little bit with each rock, it's not going to meet up at the top of this perfect pyramid shape. I mean, it's a marvel of mathematics and engineering and construction. And by everyone's estimate, it's 5,000-something years old, or in the range of 4,500 years old, somewhere around there. That's insane.

And then Homie comes along and says it may be older than that. It might be older than that. Well, they don't think the pyramid, I'm pretty sure, and maybe this is controversial as well, but I think it's based on the biological material that they can pull out from in between the cracks and the stones so of what people who died no stuff you know like anything physical or anything biological rather like wood or or plant material that might have went into the

building yeah that's how they carbon date something apparently they need carbon so it's really really tough to carbon date a stone because you don't know what you're dating. Are you dating the age the stone was cut or the stone was created? What the fuck is that? If you've got a giant piece of limestone, what are you dating? Are you dating the actual origin of the limestone? It might be millions of years old. I don't know. Limestone is like, isn't it?

I think limestone is seashells that have been ground down and smashed by gravity and layers and layers of earth until they form into a stone. See if I made that up. I might have. It sounded awfully metal. There's some shit like that for sure. Like I know travertine is that. Travertine is like old seashells that have been like compressed down at the bottom of the ocean forever until they form like this hard layer. Pretty sure that's true too.

That might also be bullshit. Fuck your well, Red. Nope. Incorrect. Am I wrong? Most limestone deposits are made from the shells of microscopic sea organisms coral reefs are a beautiful example of organic sedimentary rocks made by creatures that are still living okay so yeah it is so limestone deposits it's made by the shells of microscopic

sea organisms so these shells they compress down they make this stone they built they built fucking giant buildings out of this shit so just think of the age of that stone like oh how what how old is that shit i mean so everything that we think we know could literally be incorrect by a couple thousand years yeah but even that is like i think it's weird that we're holding on to these numbers instead of like saying, well, we have some tests that show that we're pretty sure that this was created around then. But that, you might be right. That might be older. But people like really resist what he's saying. They're really resistant because you'd have to go back and a lot of people that got degrees in Egyptology. Like you have to like rewrite what we know because once they decide this is the age where

this was made and Thutmose III was responsible for this and this guy's responsible for that. Once they write that and sell the books, it's super hard to take that back. And suddenly be like, wow. Yeah, super hard to admit they don't really know. And so this guy's- And this isn't something like, hey, Pluto's not a planet anymore because we were off by its size or whatever this is like we had literally no idea that people existed that far back well we knew people existed but we didn't know they were capable of building things like that but i'm saying like why is that even surprising if people

4 000 fucking years ago could build something as crazy as the Great Pyramid, like why would I be shocked that someone 4,000 years before that could build a sphinx or 4,000 years before that can build some other fucking temple? I mean – It's also just a number that's really like fucking ridiculous to get your head around. It's impossible. So wait, 4,000 from now backwards and then 4,000 from that point, like forget it. Yeah. backwards and then 4,000 from that point like forget it yeah and then to think that humanity was probably restarted at least to a certain extent somewhere around the end of the ice age like the the humanity recovered and started flourishing again so who knows you know what

what number of people we dipped down to 15,000 plus years ago if they were if they built the sphinx further back than we thought they did did they have language skills yeah they must have you can't build something like that without being like hey put a nose on it i think they're pretty sure language is 40 000 years old see if that's true i think that's what they think i think they think language in the form that we would describe as language? You know, like maybe, you know, I don't know what language is. 200,000. 200,000. Okay.

That's what this says from psychology today. Though definitely probably smarter than me. So, okay. So 200,000 years ago, moreover around 50,000 years ago, for a period referred to by archaeologists as the Upper Paleolithic, an unprecedented cultural explosion began to manifest itself for human communities. Maybe that's what I remember. So 50,000 years ago is the number that's in my head.

So language. They had it a long time. They didn't start. They don't think, at least. They started writing shit until somewhere around 10,000 years ago. But they don't even know if that's the case. But I think the oldest known writing that we know of today, I think, is that stuff that comes out of Iraq. Cuneiform, I think it's called. It's from the ancient Sumerians.

They were the oldest civilization that were like modern. I mean, not modern, but advanced civilization that we're currently aware of. And they kept records. Yeah, they wrote with like old school. Did you ever do any carpentry? No. No? When I was a kid in Boston, I worked on a lot of houses, demolition stuff and carpentry

stuff. And you would go in these old, old houses and they had these weird nails because the nails were all handmade back then. They weren't a nail like you think of, a nail like a tabletop with a pole underneath it. That's not what the nails were. Nails were like this weird kind of like almost rectangle or triangle thing and that was exactly what cuneiform looks like. It has a like a very specific, pull up some Sumerian cuneiform. So it's a series of lines and it's really it's got to be insanely hard to decipher like what what they were writing and what they meant by all this but this is their language

that shit that you're looking at right there it's that right there so it's it's like seems like an intermediate between hieroglyphics and an alphabet yeah i mean i don't know i'm too stupid it's still a pictographic when you look at it, right? Like it's still a little, well, that's not. That's leaning more toward letter. What is that? That's like, if you saw that on a spaceship, you'd be like, oh, the alien writing.

Yeah, and apparently it's not even that alien. But doesn't that look like, if you saw that on a spaceship, that looks like something from like Hangar 18. Right? If that was on the outside of a spaceship. It's a little Stargate-y, but yeah, it looks very Stargate to me. Like, look at that. Dude, that is like some sort, like if you had a computer printout, remember those old

school printouts that would run through computers, like the little holes punched in them? That would look kind of like that. The, man. That's the oldest language. I think that shit's 6,000 years old. I think it's somewhere around there. And that's like Babylonia. Have they been able to decipher an alphabet or be like, they had 48 letters in their alphabet.

Yeah, I don't know what they found, but they found a lot of cool shit. They found a lot of cool shit from the Sumerians. I remember when I was a kid, like, you know, I went to Catholic school as a kid. when I was a kid, like, you know, I went to Catholic school as a kid. And the big story when we were younger was we got like new nuns, sisters, like at a certain point, like when I started Catholic school, Our Lady of Perpetual Help, they had old school nuns that, you know, would wrap your fucking knuckles and shit like your parents would talk about.

And then all of a sudden they had these new sisters come in, the sisters of the, Franciscan sisters of the infant Jesus. And they were more like about education, almost like a Jesuit priest. So, you know, they definitely had their vows and whatnot, but they were more progressive in their thinking than like the previous generation that had come prior to them. in their thinking than like the previous generation that had come prior to them. So Sister Teresa, who was like our eighth grade teacher, captured our imaginations with the Dead Sea Scrolls story about how, you know, there was a Bible that we all worked off of. And then thanks to some kid who threw a rock in a cave, they found all these jars.

And inside of the jars perfectly preserved were all these writings on parchment scrolls yes yeah and so that's where we started getting a clearer picture of the bible and that's where they found bibles or gospels that aren't included in our bible and man it was like this is a minute before Raiders of the Lost Ark came out. So then when that movie came out, you were like, it's all connected. Yeah, the scrolls are fascinating, man. You know, they had to use DNA testing to make sure that they were getting the pieces of this parchment from the same animal skin. So like, say, if you had these pieces, they did, they had so many, they studied them for years and they, for to decipher them, they would have to lay them out on tables. You ever see what

they look like? Like laid out on tables. And so one of the ways that they had to determine where pieces would go, and this is a incredibly painstaking process, they had to take small bits of organic material because it's animal skins. And then they would run it through a DNA test and go, okay, this is the same animal. This animal is where all these pieces go in here. This is likely from the same piece of skin. How amazing. Dude, and it's crazy. And I think it's the only version of the Bible that was written in Aramaic.

Yes. Well done. Fuck, you're well read. No, no, it's not well-read. It's well-read about drugs. See, this is all about John Marco Allegro. We talked about this. Yeah, that guy.

The magic mushrooms. That's how I found out about, yeah, the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian myth and the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. There's two books on that. But he was a guy who studied that, the Dead Sea Scrolls. At what point, we just saw an image

of the Dead Sea scroll parchment spread out point do i give up instantly you know what i'm saying like where somebody's like good luck you might have to dn that goodbye yeah i'd be like yo if you guys need funding i'm down to donate i got a jet i got a spot at the store i got a spot at the store it's not for me man i mean but it is for somebody and i'm grateful you know i'm grateful that there's guys like that like robert shock who's you know taking these trips to egypt to study this and really putting his neck out there but releasing this very controversial uh theory right i'm glad there's all these people out there that are questioning these things and looking into

these things and and that someone has the energy to study the dead sea squirrels and to go over and apparently there's some wacky-ass fucking crazy stories in there. Like they've tried to compare the stories for the – like way more extreme, way, way weirder to the point where people are like, oh, I don't think we should use these stories. Do they involve the same characters? I don't know. Like is it Jesus, the lost years? I don't think so. Like maybe we could find –

Because that story has a big chunk missing. He's 12, and then next time they pick him up, he's 31. Yeah. I think that's probably something that can't be just Googled. Where was Jesus? Probably have to read a book on what they hidden truths of the Dead Sea Scrolls and why these Christians were trying to omit it from, you know, and not, you know, put it into the final version of the Bible.

You know, it's so weird. The Gnostic Gospels, they pull a lot from there. The Gnostics were people that, it was a faith, I guess, or a section of faith that they were great record keepers, but they were also not necessarily like, and it was the Christ himself, the mighty son of God. You know, they were a bit more practical in their telling of the tale. Yeah. Didn't religion it up quite so much if you had if you could go back to a time and observe life like being like a giant bulletproof hamster wheel yes and observe life would you go to the dinosaur era and see like live t-rexes running around and and predators and crazy thick atmosphere and heavy vegetation of pre-65 million years ago? Or would you go and watch people from like 5,000 years ago?

Do I get one shot at this? One shot. I don't do the dinosaurs because I'm like, I've seen Jurassic Park. And the real dinosaurs probably aren't going to be nearly as impressive as Jurassic Park. How dare you? I've seen Jurassic Park. You son of a bitch. That being said, I go to the Christ era because that might solve a lot of problems. If I can come back and be like, he was real.

And he turns out he was the son of God. And here he is. Let's listen to the clerks guy. He fucking time traveled. He thinks he knows everything. You got fooled by a magician, bro. Who's the guy who literally, who's telling us that the Sphinx is older than it is? Somebody's got to put their neck out there sometimes, man.

I'd be willing to be the guy to do it. John Anthony West was the guy. He's dead now. He just died recently. What? Yeah, John Anthony West. I thought this was the guy who was coming in tomorrow. No, no, that's Robert Shock.

That's what I'm talking about. He's another one of them. He's the geologist. John Anthony West was the guy who was making all these DVDs about it. He's a really serious Egyptologist that just passed away. He passed away? Yeah. He's the one who's really trying to put – he's old.

Old age. Cancer. So he was the one that first floated the theory that like, he might be older than you realize. He just had a – he's got this crazy DVD series called Magical Egypt. It's phenomenal. I think he's got a two, one and two. I really only watched one, but it's so good, man.

I mean, it's like a six DVD series all on the mysteries of Egypt. What the hell happened? We just got some, uh, that's me. Oh, fuck you, Siri. Look, it just starts recording me, man. Did your phone just come to life and start? Yeah. She just started.

It's the government, man. They found out I'm talking to Roseanne. Where were we talking about? What was I just talking about? Magical Egypt. Magical Egypt. The DVD series. So this guy is the one who got me like really.

Into it in the first place. Wrapping my head around the concept of civilizations collapse and then a thousand years later rebuilds again. And then you think about what the United States was like 500 years ago. It was nonexistent. And now look at what it is now. And that these great moments of change happen periodically in human history with fish and places where people could get enough food and they would build these cities and then they would start inventing shit and innovating. And 100 years later, they'd be better.

200 years later, they'd be better than that. 500 years later, they'd have crazy structures and then they'd be building things. And apparently this is what it was like in the Nile Valley when they were when they were constructing all these things it was just a bounty of food and then somebody just shook it like a natural sketch or the climate change that's the real theory really rehab because this is what they're saying about the Nile Valley is that before 9,000 years ago is our tropical rainforest and now it's all you know you know it's all sand in the desert but before that it was like fucking trees.

The climate changes. Whether we fuck with it and make it change faster or not, it's not stable. It's constantly going up and down. And so this is probably also partially responsible for what happened to those people. But those people had taken shit to another level, man. More so than we ever give them credit for. Because I've been watching dvds and i'm scared of going to egypt because it's sometimes it's a little unstable right but man what it must be like to see these 4 000 fucking year old gigantic stone structures that were cut and moved by who knows

how many people and who knows how the fuck they did it they just have theories there's just guesses they don't know. There's no hieroglyphic wall that's like, here's the real story. Not really. I mean, the problem was they think that a lot of the information was in the Library of Alexandria. It was written down. It was burned when they were conquered. So they don't really know. Don't really know how they made them.

There's a lot of good guesses, a lot of good theories. But fuck, you're talking about millions of stones and they're huge like how long did this take they say if you cut in place 10 of those massive stones a day it would take you 664 years to make the great pyramid and for all we know that's how long it took. Just what? Wait a minute. Say that again. 10 of those massive stones a day. It would take you 664 years to build all the great pyramids, to build just the great pyramid of Giza. Just that one, just that one.

So whoever commissioned it certainly wasn't around to see it finished. A hundred percent. Unless they'd had some wizard magic shit that we're not aware of. And they did it way quicker than we think they did. Well, who knows how long they, it took them to build. We we don't really know it might have been a thousand years you know who knows where do you stand on faith or what happens when in your estimation we die what happens i really don't know and i think in that regard i'm right there with everybody i think you

can have your ideas and i think those ideas can strengthen your resolve in this life and they could even help you. And this is something that I had to accept as I got older, more of the same thing. Like, okay, why do I have this reaction? Like there's certain people that are like these ardent atheists. They're like, God is dead. There's no God. Shut the fuck up. I'm like, okay, how do you know you don't know? So even though logic would point, I mean, if you really paid attention to the way human beings tell stories, you would have to say, well, a lot of these religious stories are probably fabricated. Or maybe there was an initial message or maybe there was some wisdom that these people initially stumbled upon. They wanted to document it. But whether or not all this came from God, the Cain and Abel shit and trying to trick a brother into killing another brother. Like, oh, I almost got you.

You're going to do it for me. You're my boy. You're going to kill your brother. Thanks, man. There's so many of those stories. That's a little more human than godlike. It's way more human, yeah. But does that mean there's no God?

No, of course it doesn't. It doesn't. This universe is too bizarre for you to leave anything off the table, Any possibilities of what created it, what sustains it, other than scientific, you know, you get down to like the most reductionist perspective of it's just a series of quarks and gluons and atoms and, you know, and energy. And maybe, maybe it is all that. Maybe it is just that. But maybe that in itself is God.

Maybe God is not a material thing, but it's a creating force of the entire universe itself. And it also has good in its heart. Like maybe the reason why we love like hugs and good conversation and, you know, a cute puppy and all these different things. We like love and we like happiness because all these things are powerful forces in the universe. And all these things represent the greater will of the creator of whatever it is that makes this universe so spectacular, whatever the fuck that is.

I don't know what it is, but anybody who says they know what it is, is lying. Right. You're lying. You're trying to trick people so that you have the ultimate truth and they don't, and that's how we control people. And that's fine up until around now.

It's fine when there was no internet. It's fine when books were scarce. It's fine when we had to keep order. It's fine. It's fine. But it's not fine anymore because we know too much now. So it doesn't mean that there's no God, but it means you definitely, this guy that wants the jet, who's that televangelist that means you definitely, this guy that wants the jet.

Who's that televangelist that wants $50 million to buy his own private jet? For sure, that guy's full of shit. See? So there's things that we can be sure. He's found a hustle, and it's not even an original hustle. It's like, I know what happens after this. Give me your money. God wants me to be wealthy. That's what he's saying.

He's saying God doesn't want me to ride around in a donkey. Did you ever meet somebody who experienced the afterlife yet? I've met people that my belief is that a lot of that can be attributed to the chemicals that your brain is capable of producing on a regular basis. It does while you're sleeping. It does while you're into periods of extreme stress, and that all of these different chemicals most likely are released in the brain during these overwhelming periods of anxiety and fear and terror and injury. And when your body is thinking, hey, this might be it. And I think that's probably what a lot of these near-death experiences are,

is that people are experiencing what you would call an endogenous psychedelic experience, that your brain is releasing these potent chemicals that it has. It absolutely has inside of it. Your brain has a ton of different things like dimethyltryptamine and different psychedelic chemicals it's capable of producing as well as like melatonin, dopamine, serotonin, adrenaline, cortisol. There's a fucking storm of shit going on in your brain. And in a moment like near death, it just jacks it all out into your system. It pumps it through your fucking neurons and everything's firing and you're seeing things that aren't there and you're talking to dead relatives. You're imagining the pearly gates and your imagination is on 10 and you're just seeing everything.

That's the reductionist perspective. seeing everything. That's the reductionist perspective. The hopeful, optimistic, spiritual woo-woo perspective is this is a chemical gateway and you're seeing through the door of the other side. And then when they decide it's not your time yet, you're sucked back to where you lie. And then you're allowed to resume this life because you have more work to do. And that's the perspective that a lot of people feel when they come out of those experiences, right? They feel like I have more work to do. I can't stop now. My mom years ago, guys like 10 years ago, more than that, even maybe 15 years ago at this point had a heart attack or heart episode. Uh, rather my dad died of a heart attack, but my mom was on the table and they were putting a stent into her heart, into her artery. And, uh, she was sitting there chit-chatting while they were doing the surgery.

I guess she was on a local more so than anything else. And she was joking around with the doctor. She's like, here I go. Hurry up, doc, because I've got to pick up my mom for the – and then went out. Whoa. And so she died for a minute and a half clinically fucking dead. They had to fucking try to restart the heart. So I was like, what happened?

What was it? And she didn't describe it. I saw the bright lights and I saw people and blah, blah, blah. She said I was floating. And I was like, floating up? She goes, no, floating on my back. I was like, okay, well, you were on your back in the hospital. Do you think that's what it was?

She's like, I don't know, but this is what I remember. Every iota of responsibility I ever felt in my life was gone. She's like, I felt free. Like I felt instantly lighter. free like i felt instantly lighter and just as i was heading in a direction that's when like they pulled her back so she'd been dead for like a minute and a half her heart had stopped so i was like all right you've been in this best of all possible worlds for you know fucking 60 plus years now you've seen a glimpse of the other side which is better and my mom said the other side and i said what you were there for like a minute and change why and she

said i was completely fucking free like that was it i didn't i didn't know this one i don't have to care for this one i don't have to make sure this is taken care of i don't have to feed the cat she was like it was bliss. She's like, and if that's what happens, then I look forward to that again. So when I was having my shit three months ago and the doctor was like, you got a 20% chance of living. I was sitting there going through all the fucking shit in my head about like, all right, well, this is it. You're fucking, you've spent your life with your head up your ass, you know, fucking trying to figure out who you are. Go ahead.

Look at your head and heart. What is your, this is it. This is the big moment. Like, what are your thoughts? What's going through? And I, you know, I'm such a chicken shit in life. I assume that I'd be like the guy who's like, I'll fucking suck your dick to stay in this life. Because I know this life and I don't know what happens afterwards and stuff.

So I thought I'd be begging for, you be begging for help from God or something like that, but I was like, I made dogma. I'm sure Jesus would be like, go to hell, fuck you, buddy Christ my ass. So instead of doing the religious thing, I started thinking about just the journey itself. I was like, well, if the journey's ending, what are your thoughts? Just like when they held up the phone, they were like, do you want to talk to your wife?

And I was like, I know. Of course I did, but I didn't want to. Cause I was like, I know in my heart of hearts, if I answer, if I speak to my wife right now,

I'm going to be in that 20%. I'm going to die. I'm going to be in the 80%. I'm going to fucking drop dead because that's, that's the intensity of it. Not even like, Oh my God, it's going to kill me. It just, the way they it not even like oh my god it's gonna kill me it just the way they were so like do you want your wife is on the phone do you want to speak to her

right now was very leading and you know they're professionals and these cats deal with life and death every day and this was my first experience with it so what i got out of it was you're probably gonna die was what they felt yeah and still i was in the state of like i didn't even realize i was on a heart attack and so i remember looking at the phone and being like um if i answer it if i talk to jennifer that's gonna be i'm not gonna leave this room so i was like i'm gonna play the odds if i don't talk to jennifer maybe there's some part of me that's like look look, I like talking to Jennifer. We've been together fucking 20 years. I better enjoy talking to Jennifer. Maybe if I put this phone call off, you know, they don't get to talk to Jennifer when it's all fucking done. So I said to the dude,

I was like, you know what? Tell her I'll call her back. And the guy goes, seriously? And I was like, yeah. And I saw him talking and got off the phone. I was like, what'd she say? And he goes, she was fucking pissed, dude. And I was like, like well i'm dealing with my own shit right now so i was laying there on the table and i was like going through my life and i was more grateful than anything else i wasn't scared anymore that was the thing that's the love thing that i love to communicate i spent my whole life terrified of fucking dying and when i was as closest to it as i ever knew i was and for all i know i was closer someplace but like i was cognizant and told by a professional this is fucking risky i was just kind of i was grateful more than anything else i was like what

a fucking journey like yeah and i'm 47 and it seems short but fucking like you gotta admit you did more than fucking most people get to do and maybe that's why it happened at an early age because you weren't gonna get the rest of this time and shit like that but like i wasn't mad i wasn't like fucking why this is unfair i remembered like uh there's a issue of sandman which i absolutely loved neil gaiman's comic book series back in the day and uh in in like after the first story arc uh he we meet his sister the main character is Dream Morpheus the character of Dream uh he's part of the Endless and he's got a other siblings Delirium Desire one of his siblings is Death and they represent death in the comic book you know you're used to seeing the fucking sky than the fucking grim reaper and shit she's a little uh um emo

girl goth girl wearing an awk around her neck and shit like that it was written in the 90s and they don't tell you right away that she's death as you're reading the issue you're like oh shit i think she's meant to be death she's faring souls over to the other sides you see a baby pass and she's holding the baby and then there's the the refrain is like the i hear the sound of her wings and that's taking this soul over to the next place as she's sitting around talking to her brother and so she she eventually gets into a room with this older guy um who's like who are you and and you know she's like i'm here for you you with this older guy who's like, who are you? And, you know, she's like, I'm here for you. You know who I am.

And he's like, that's it? He's like, oh, my God. I did all these things. I worked my fingers to the bone. And what did I get? This is it. What did I get? And she says, a line that when I read it when I was 18, it was powerful.

But when I was laying on the fucking table table it was constantly going through my head and made it all easier made me kind of at peace with the idea of dying there's this line she says to the guy she goes you get you got what everybody gets you got a lifetime and as i was laying there i was like oh my god i got a lifetime like that's that's what it was nothing more nothing fucking less and i did some shit in it and now it's gonna stop and people are gonna go on without you and that's not terrible like i i thought i'd be fucking desperate to live and instead i had that weird like i understood what my mother said for the first time because i was laying there i was like oh my god like i made it to the end like this is it this is the finish line and it had been

something that i was terrified of ever getting to. But then when really kind of faced with it, I was like, oh, like I'm done. Like, I'm not scared that I'm done. I'm actually kind of relieved that I'm done. And like, you know, fucking like I didn't get killed and I wasn't home invaded. A shark didn't eat me. All the things that like I've been terrified of my entire life, like I don't have to think about anymore. I made it to the end and it's kind of okay.

So it's weird. My whole life I thought like, you know, I'd be scared to death. And most people, we all are. We're all terrified of fucking dying because we don't know. But that was the closest I ever came and I wasn't scared. Like suddenly the fear just went away and it seemed logical. Like of course it's over. Like things end. And I didn't want to die. I wasn't, didn't have a death wish, but I was like, if it's done, it's, it's kind of, it's done and count your blessings

and be happy. And don't be a bitch. Like, don't, if, if the fucking ferryman shows up tonight, don't fucking hold out. Don't be the last asshole at the party go no like just fucking pay the ferryman get on the boat and go we'll see what's next and stuff and then ultimately leidenheim did a good job and i fucking wound up living and stuff so i i know this much i got to read a bunch of shit like after i nearly died and it was all nice people wrote very nice things about me and shit and i expected you know the creature of the internet that some people would be like, I wish he had fucking died. Fuck him to death and shit. I wish he'd stay silent.

But generally, it was like very nice things. People were kind of positive and stuff. So I was like, fuck, man. Like, you know, again, I didn't want to die. But like if I had, like that would have been okay. Now I'm back at it. You know what I'm saying? Like now until it ends, like I've got to, you know, it's kind of easy. As long as I don't wake up with a fucking dead girl or a live boy, I don't think like they'll fucking break me over the coals when I die in the future and shit like that. But it felt weird to be so close to the completion

and having something that normally terrifies you suddenly be like, oh, it's okay. Like, and I don't, if you walked up and put a gun in my face, I'm sure I'd feel threatened. But like, I kind of lost my fear of death. I'm not like death defying. I won't go out and do anything differently. But that, that dark cloud that kind of kills any good time. The moment you start thinking about like the fear and anxiety, you're going to die one day. Like, you know,

it's gone. And all of a sudden I'm like, yeah, I'm going to die one day and it's going to be awesome. But not for the reasons that you think I'm saying it's going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome because I finish like, it's nice to finish things. We know how good it feels in life to complete something. And that's the biggest fucking thing in life you'll ever complete is your journey.

So I didn't walk away going like, I got to do more. Like I got to fucking live life to the fullest. I just got to keep doing what I've been doing, like living life the way I enjoy it, trying to do things. Sometimes they work, sometimes they fail and shit. Sometimes people are on your side. Sometimes people are like, you fucking blow. And just do that fucking time. Have good conversations in the process. Meet interesting people.

Hear new points of view and shit like that. And keep at it. But it's nothing to be afraid of. That's awesome. I don't want to get eaten by a cat. Don't get me wrong. And I guarantee you, I would not be philosophical as a fucking big cat was crushing my, you know, I'd be like, Jesus, no. I'd find prayer quick.

But death is no longer something. I'm not looking for it. And I certainly won't put myself in harm's way. But it doesn't preoccupy me anymore. I've been there there and it's not the thing that i was led to believe it was like it's not the the ultimate fear come true it's not the grim reaper there's a sense at least in my case and again i didn't have a painful heart attack i'm sure people have heart attacks where they feel like their fucking body's being ripped and

cleaved in twain but it it wasn't it wasn't that it wasn't scary it was okay well listen man i'm glad you lived because i love you and you're one of my favorite people we don't talk very often i know i always love it and after the heart attack i couldn't wait to we started texting to be like bro you gotta come in i was like definitely i didn't want to ask quick like what's the protocol that's so gross like it's so morbid listen man you might not make it do you think you get in here is tuesday good yeah but no i is happy to be here and stuff as all as as we all are happy to be above ground it's better than below i'm happy to hear your perspective too i want to pass on because you're

a seeker as well and i think it means a lot to a lot of people that are listening too because that's what everyone's scared of right oh it blows too everyone's scared of the ride being over that's what we think we're trained to think that way

every fucking movie every book you read every song is about like how it'll suck when it's over and that fear can keep you from enjoying it while you're living it

and trying cool things and stuff like that and I don't mean like putting yourself in harm's way like let's shoot a movie with real lions that's been done don't try it you can in harm's way. Like let's shoot a movie with real lions. That's been done.

Don't try it. You can watch the fucking video. But the things where you're like, I'd really like to try it. Like, but it fucking won't work. Or, oh,

there's maybe time later. That's the one thing I did walk away from it. Like time, you're fucking lucky for every goddamn second, every goddamn second. So use it wisely. And think, and I think if you can just think that way like today's a borrowed day you know you'll have sometimes you have to trick

yourself into like finding more enthusiasm you have to trick yourself to be pumped up about stuff but if you can really do that and and exercise those patterns in your brain and get them normal there's there's people that have tricked themselves into enjoying all sorts of things that they know are good for them. They just fire up those fucking chemicals, and today we're going to just go out there and attack this day because this is a gift. This isn't supposed to be here.

We got one. I think that all the time now, honestly. That's like an underlying that goes under almost every thought I have, and it doesn't happen constantly, but it literally happens about 10 times a week. You'll be doing something. You'll be heading somewhere. You'll be eating something. Fucking whatever.

Fucking having a conversation. And then you'll be like, this isn't supposed to be happening right now. Based on the odds, I was supposed to die back on that fucking table. So suddenly you're like, I'm playing on house money. House money. You know what I'm saying? Live a house money life, kids. Live a house money life, kids. That should be a fucking t-shirt.

Thank you, Kevin. Excellent. Really appreciate you, brother. I appreciate you. How many hours? Thank you.