The Joe Rogan Experience - #1138 - Ted Nugent

Episode Date: June 28, 2018

Ted Nugent is a singer-songwriter, guitarist, hunter and activist.

I'm Morgan. The masters are out there. I use one, three, two, one, boom, and we're live. We're just talking about target panic, ladies and gentlemen. Most people don't know about all that. It's like erectile dysfunction for archery. It's panic, right? Freaking. It's because you want that arrow to go so bad. By the way, thanks for having me on here.

My pleasure. I understand from all the input I get from all my intelligent friends that you deserve me. Oh, I'm excited about this. So we'll have a good time. Your assistant reached out and said, My people reach out, yeah. She said, I think you'll have more in common with Ted than you realize. Yeah.

That was her pitch. Truth, logic, common sense, spirit, physics of the American dream. Perhaps controversial and misunderstood people. Yes. Boy, we're surrounded. Maybe both of us. Clusterfuck, ring any bells? and misunderstood people. Yes. Boy, we're surrounded. Maybe both of us. Clusterfuck, ring any bells? Yes, indeed.

So, yeah, so Target Panic, I got lucky in that I got hooked up with John Dudley early before I developed Target Panic. He's the master. And he explained to me tension releases. Yeah, shot sequences. Yeah. And let's make this available universally to all of our podcast friends out there. In life, the clusterfuck to omniscience is what we aspire to.

Yes. Maximum level of awareness on all fronts. I don't care if you're a welder, a podcaster, a guitar player, or a butcher. Right. podcast or a guitar player or a butcher. Maximum efficiency, being the best that you can be, clear mind, clear conscience, true north compass. In the world of archery, because it does consume you, and here I am 70 years clean and sober because I'm currently and forever consumed with the mystical flight of the arrow, which is the origins of Zen, the Japanese religion of not shooting an arrow,

not being an arrow, but being the path of your life. And if you use the gifts from God to the ultimate application of efficiency and effectiveness, you can put that fucking arrow right where you want it to. And the baggage that all humans have to deal with, and it's most painfully manifested in the pursuit of archery, is too many minds.

You can't think about it. If you got to think about playing Wang Dang Sweet Poon Tang, you ain't going to play it. It better just be you and unleash. And with an arrow, because you want to let that arrow go because you're shooting an arrow. It's archery. I need to put that arrow down there in that bullseye or in that pump station or in that crease of the buffalo. And so you want it to go because that's what you're here for, is to let the arrow go.

So you've got to tell yourself you can't let the arrow go. You have to shoot so many arrows throughout your life that no too many minds, subconscious physics of spirituality ingrained deep within your origins and aboriginal ancestry there it is if ever there was an aim small miss small perfection it's archery and let me i don't mean to monologue here but this is so much of my life. I know. No matter what you do. And I've done this since the 60s when the hippies were trying to get me stoned. And I'm going, no, that's not what you want to do.

What you want to do is get a bow and arrow. What you want to do is escape what you're trying to escape, the pressures. The pressures, fuck those pressures. You be the source of pressure, not the receiver of pressure. And my dad raised me. My dad was a drill sergeant. God bless that son of a bitch. He was awesome.

I hated him. Discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline, especially at the archery range. And so I learned archery. And when I'm playing guitar and I'm playing all this outrageous Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, little Richard stuff, and everybody's getting high and drunk, and they're really great musicians, and the more high and the more drunk they got, they became less great musicians until the point where they weren't even musicians anymore. And so I would escape that, and I was 11, 12, and there was no hippies. It was beatniks. And I'd get back to my little house in Redford on the Rouge River

in Detroit, and I'd get that little bow and arrow, and I go down to Skunk Hollow, and there's a river rat, and even as a stupid, mushy-brained, idiot child, I was able to... Longbow, no recurves yet, you know. recurves yet, you know, I could shoot a rat in the eye because I had no baggage yet. I haven't developed any social baggage. And that has served me so. The many minds.

Wow. Too many. No minds. Right. Spirit. That's the baggage. Yeah. Too many minds.

And I think, what is there? Do you think that that's a thing that people who don't shoot arrows, when you start talking about this, they don't really understand what you're saying. I know exactly what you're saying, but for a lot of people, this is a very misunderstood subject, right? Yep. That this is a meditation. There's a meditation involved in this. It's an absolute meditation.

It's out of body. The ultimate arrow, like the ultimate guitar lick. I suspect a comedian on stage, which I qualify, you can't be thinking of your routine. It's got to flow. I mean, I was in the presence of Sam Kinison for 50, 60 spontaneous performances and Robin Williams at the Comedy Store and Richard Pryor. You see, remember I mentioned a moment ago, I've been on the mountaintop with Bill Straup and the Broncos and Parnelli Jones taught me to race. I played bass for Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley. I mean, I married Mrs. Nugent.

I mean, I've been to the peak of peaks available to mankind. I hunted with Fred fucking Bear. When did you do that? I was five or six. I met him. He started the brand new archery shop in Grayling, Michigan. My dad was already a follower before I was born. Explain to people who he is.

Fred Bear. People who are uninitiated. Powerful story. He's like the Richard Pryor of archery. Yes. I was expecting his afro to catch fire any moment. It was awesome. So I'm already into bows and arrows.

I didn't know who Fred Bear was. I really was just getting baptized by the Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley electronic guitar orgy. And in that late 40s, early 50s, it was a firestorm of defiance and rebellion musically manifested. But Roy Weatherby was going beyond the 30-30, which everybody used for deer hunting. And it was a good 100 yards. And if a real marksman, real Zen marksman could shoot a 30 30 200 plus yards whether open sights or scope and marksmanship and sniper discipline was a powerful force in a hunting family and in all families every family i knew we all shot every weekend pistols shotguns rifles 22, hunting woodchucks in Freiburg, Pennsylvania, with the Targetmaster Remington single-shot bolt.22,.22 shorts, 25 cents a box at the dry goods store.

It's awesome. And my dad taught me to shoot them in the eye. Aim small, miss small. Breathe, sight acquisition, you have a responsibility to kill that animal outright. If you're going to utilize that precious gift of flesh and fur, body fluids and bone, you better kill him clean because you're a reasoning predator. You have a moral, intellectual, and spiritual obligation to kill your dinner humanely and cleanly. Duh. And so that marksmanship routine was developing with ballistic, Ted Nugent ballistically maximized firepower.

Is that what that stands for? I thought it said bad motherfucker. You know, that has a ring to it. Maybe that's what it could. All right. So Fred Bear. Fred Bear. Fred Bear.

Fred Bear. So Roy Weatherby was extending long-range marksmanship and developing the famous Weatherby Magnums with more powder, more efficient burning powder, better primers, better designed ballistic bullets that would cut air better and go flatter longer, better trajectory and velocity. And so it was fun to shoot that deer or a bullseye at 100 yards. That takes a lot of trigger control and discipline. But now Roy Weatherby was creating Weatherby Magnums, the 300 Weatherby Magnums, shot a 180-grain bullet at 32, 3400 feet a second, which is unheard of. And so you could aim small, miss small. And if you really got that really intricate, meticulous, triggered smoothness, you could shoot 1,000 yards once you learned the trajectory of your gun.

However, 1911, the last of the Yanni Indians, Ishii, was discovered in Oroville. I can't believe I remember all this. In Oroville, California, Northern California. And there was a bounty on Indians back then. You could shoot a man Indian and get 25 bucks. In 1911? Yep. They had bounties on them.

And instead of shooting this Yanni, this last Indian, they called the local sheriff and they took Ishii into custody. And they called some scientists and palentiologists from California University by the name of Saxton Pope. And Saxton Pope came and studied Ishii as an aboriginal. Saxton Pope of Pope and Young? That's right. And then he contacted his buddy Art Young, who also studied in that genre.

And they discovered Ishii, and they were fascinated by his stealthy awareness of the wilderness and his archery control with his funny little style of shooting the bow with his thumb and getting close and doing ice-cold river bathing before the hunt to cleanse himself to be worthy of the beast. So Fred Bear witnessed the film that Pope and Young eventually made of them becoming consumed with the mystical flight of the arrow. Now, this was in the 20s and 30s, and they put a newsreel out and went all over the country and showed this newsreel of hunting with the bow and arrow by Saxon Pope and Art Young, shooting grizzly bears in Yosemite and going to Africa, filling lines full of arrows. They weren't really as good as these sheep, so they'd fling a lot of arrows, and these animals were pretty relaxed, almost tame, because they'd never been hunted like that before. And so Fred Bearer come from Pennsylvania around that time to work at the FOMO company building cabinets for the new radio they just invented and the wood dashboards for the Ford Motor Company.

And he was also making bows, handmade U-wood and sage orange bows in his little archery shop with Nels Grumley. I can't believe I remember Nels Grumley, one of the greatest boyers of all time. So my dad got the archery bug because Fred defied the trend of easier hunting, easier long range. You didn't have to be very stealthy to shoot a deer at 500 yards. They don't even know you're there. All you have to do is be a disciplined marksman, which is a discipline and a great accomplishment unto itself.

And it was a new challenge for long-range ballistic capability. Well, Pope and Young and a handful, Fred Bear and Nels Grumley, went and saw this newsreel of these guys, these doctors, these professors hunting all over the world with these handmade bows. And Fred was already into it. And he goes, I'll be damned. I didn't realize you could do that. And so now people, after seeing the Pope and Young newsreel,

started asking Fred to make bows, and it spread. So he started the Bear Archery Company, late 20s, early 30s. And he moved to Grayling up in the northern part of Michigan where the wilderness was, and they had cut down all the trees so there was this new growth of ideal wildlife habitat because not many animals can live in an old-growth forest, an owl or two, but you need low-level escape sanctuary and browse that the animals can access.

And so Fred was now promoting archery in Michigan, won all the National Field Archery Championships along with Ann Marston. It's awesome. And so my dad was a follower because he'd come back from World War II, and he needed that escape. He needed that cleansing to get away from that horror, which is why they never talked about it. And so we'd go up north every year, October 1st, the Nugent family in the Ford station wagon,

and I had my little bow and arrow with the suction cups, and I'd shoot stuffed animals off the couch. But my dad would walk the woods with his real bow, and we'd stop at this little brick shack that said Bear Archery, and I had no idea. And so I was already into bows and arrows shooting all the time. I was obsessed. I was down river every day. No baseball, no football, no hockey. Bows and arrows, bows and arrows, critters. I think I had the Songbird World Slam by the time I was eight.

And so now I'm meeting this tall, lanky gentleman named Fred Bear. He didn't register with me until I started seeing them on the cover of True magazine and sporting magazines and Life magazine with a grizzly bear and an elephant and a tiger and a lion in the newsreels. And I'm going, I'm shooting river rats, which is so thrilling I can't even describe it. And here's this tall, lanky guy that was building bows in this rustic shop in northern Michigan on my way to my favorite thing in life, October 1st, opening day of archery season, as a 6-, 7-, 8-year-old boy.

And we'd have chocolate milk and cherry pie with this Fred Bear guy. Now it's registering. This is the Chuck Berry of bow hunting. This is it. This is the guy. So I became enamored with him. And he was kind to me, and he'd show me stuff. But I got to hang out with him as I grew.

By the time I was 16, we moved to Chicago because my dad got transferred. But I got to visit with Fred Bear at least every other October. Never hunted with him. And now I started Amboy Dukes. I'd already had a great band, won the Battle of the Bands in Michigan with the Lures. We opened up for the Supremes and the Bo Brummel's at Cobo Hall. Wow. And so now I'm in Chicago shooting my bow and arrow all the time.

Started at Amboy Dukes, playing like a madman. Graduated in 67, went back to Michigan two years later, and immediately went up to Grayling, where now there's this huge cathedral, bear archery. And Fred Bear is like that dude. He's like the sporting dude because he taught the long-range marksman that there's an intimacy. There's a better learning process and a more important lesson to not kill the animal, but to understand your relationship with the animal and to try to use those God-given gifts I mentioned a moment ago

to penetrate the otherwise impenetrable defense system of game, because they are sneaky, elusive, crafty. God made them to get away from guitar players with sharp sticks. And so this caught on because people go, you know, I kill my deer every year with my 30-30, now with the 30-06 and Roy Weatherby long range. kill my deer every year with my 30-30, now with the 30-06 and Roy Weatherby long range. I wonder if I'm a badass enough to get close to a deer with a bow and arrow so it caught on like wildfire. And they made the first, Fred got the first legal season in Michigan at the Allegan State Park on November 1st, 1947, where George Nichols, my buddy, got the first legal buck in

Michigan with a bow and arrow on that morning. And so I knew these are the guys I hang with. These are the founders. I was at the Concord Bridge of archery. And so Fred embraced me and was real suspicious of the long-haired, hippie-looking, rockin' maniac, Motor City madman. But all of his friends went, no, no, he's not into drugs. In fact, he's anti-drug, and he's always promoting archery. I shot my bow and arrow on stage forever. I'd shoot flaming arrows at skulls and a big illegal, I think it was a felony, a big turkey vulture.

I had stuff, but it looked great, backlit, you know, and I'd shoot that fucker off the amps at night. People didn't know whether to shit or go blind. It was this wild man screaming the bird lands, making all this outrageous racket. I come out with a bow and arrow and a flaming arrow and blow up a turkey vulture. What more do you want? And so Fred got, looked past the insanity of the fear factor of rock and roll. And he finally admitted to me, he said, every sporting goods show I go to, Ted, all the

young people, anybody under 30, all they want to know is if I know Ted Nugent, because that was the first time they ever saw a bow and arrow. And they read my interviews about the spirit, the cleansing of escaping the insanity of whatever your job description might be. Mine being maniacal rock and roll, I need to shut the fuck up. Take a deep breath, get my bow and arrow, let my guitars breed, head back to the woods and live and remember who I am and what i'm here for and i never killed a deer i was just a little too uppity and we didn't know what we were doing back then you were too uppity you think what

i just i'm high energy so you're too i do i wasn't the stealthy i don't know about too loud i mean i could walk i learned from fred i learned to walk toe first, and I learned to go around anything instead of stepping over and to stay in the shadows. So I knew the maneuvers, but coming out of a tour and playing 350 nights a year, and then you get a couple days off during November, and you get the bow and arrow, it's hard to go from that to total silence. Yes. But you know what joe what i've mastered it well i know you have finally i mean i did but you've been you've been doing it for a

long time by the 60s i i don't know about mastered you'll never master it but i've mastered what do you say what do you say when people like one of the arguments about hunting that people bring up is why would you use in a bow and arrow bow and arrow is not as effective if you wanted to kill something you should use a gun there's people that don't hunt that think that hunting should only be one thing and it should only be killing the animal for meat whereas i think that someone who hunts definitely kills the animal for me but there's more there's more to the whole thing have you ever seen me expound on that fun sport meat yeah trophy you can't hunt without having fun or you won't do it it's fun to challenge yourself it's fun to get up in some people have a problem with that word right they can kiss my ass if it wasn't fun none

of us would do it i understand your your your take on it they can kiss your ass, but it means something to you. It's not as simple as like, fuck you, this is just how I'm going to do it. Oh, it's deep, deep fun. Is being the greatest basketball three-point shooter, isn't that fun? It must be. Discipline. He wouldn't do it. But it's always fun because it's invigorating.

Right. And the bow hunting is more invigorating. Because it's so difficult. So difficult. It's borderlineating. Right. And the bow hunting is more invigorating. Because it's so difficult. So difficult. It's borderline impossible. Fun. Sport. Well, I don't think sport hunting is good.

You shouldn't have sport. How can you hunt without sport? Well, don't you think that it's just too many of these words are poisoned? There's like trophy hunting. By idiot term. You can't hunt without a trophy. You know what I have on my wall in my northern cabin? You already are inclined to love me, but now you're going to buttfuck me right here on the show.

That's not love. Well, it's metaphorically speaking. That is for some of my buddies. Anyhow, so on the wall of my cabin in northern Michigan is my first kill November 15, 1969, with my dad's pre-'64 Model 7. It's a button buck. Button buck. Did you hear the story? Yeah. And I took it to the taxidermist, and I said, 1969, with my dad's pre-'64 Model 7. It's a button buck. Button buck. Did you hear the story?

Yeah. And I took it to the taxidermist, and I said, I want this mounted. He said, you're going to mount this? I go, yeah, it's a buck. Button buck. Button buck is a fawn of the year. It has little buttons on its forehead, which is a legal deer with a doe tag, and I had that deer. And I said, it's a buck.

Feel. You have to feel on the head to make sure it is a buck because it's such a little guy. And it's a legal deer, and it's a delicious deer. The deer of the year is a fawn. That's why we have this hunting season in the fall because now they're independent. They've been weaned. They're independent animals. In fact, the button bucks, their asses get kicked by their mother to throw them out of the herd

to get the hell out of the way for more breeding, which is what I do. And so I have that button buck mounted. Well, who's going to tell me that's not a trophy? The experiences, the memories, the clothes, the bullets, the day, the sunrise, the crows, the sandhill cranes, the birds, the movement, the anticipation. And I got backstraps straps I had fun ultimate discipline challenge sport ultimate meat ultimate protein the purest most organic before it was even hip and if you could I dare you to tell me that button buck is not a trophy I got I have woodchucks mounted. I shot a woodchuck in the eye with my grandson. I have squirrels mounted.

It's always a trophy. You mounted a squirrel? Sure. I'm the squirrel czar. You know, when you first start out and you kill that first squirrel, that's exciting stuff. It's all fun. Where would you put a squirrel that you mounted? On a limb in the cabin.

It's all fun. Where would you put a squirrel that you mounted? On a limb in the cabin. Along with Rocco, my son out here, his first wood duck that he got with much effort. And we have that wood duck mounted. There's a love affair with our instinctual stewardship duties to the wildlife to harvest the surplus to make room for next spring's productivity. Because there's going to be more animals but there's not going to be more habitat hence sustained yield successful wildlife management model that is so perfect it defies criticism unless you're a lion's sack of

shit have you ever had to have a reasonable conversation with someone who's anti-hunting you ever like sat down yeah often absolutely and and to the man and woman i mean adamant vegan until i explained to him well vegan i like that vegan but vegan whatever it is vegan i can't even pronounce it much less barely comes out of your mouth figure it out very so stupid but by the way my son rocco who i love beyond description yep vegan. No. Yes. He looks like he needs to eat more. When he's asleep, I try to shove a backstrap up his ass, but he's got more muscles than I do. Anyhow, my point is that—

How did he become vegan? He has a great hunter. He doesn't like to hunt anymore. He's decided not to. He's killed great deer, great hogs. I've seen him on your TV show. Ducks, yeah. He's a great hunter. He doesn't like to hunt anymore. He's decided not to. He's killed great deer, great hogs. I've seen him on your TV show. Ducks, yeah. He's a great hunter. But he decided he does not want to take part in the harvest. I respect it completely. Good for you. But if you really want to kill the most things, be a vegan.

Because the farmers who protect your beans kill everything. I kill one animal per arrow. In order to grow tofu, you have to kill every ground squirrel, every vole, every shrew, every snake, every turtle, every frog, every

bird, every rabbit, anything that gets in that bean field, I'm either going to plow and dismember, which is why the crows and the seagulls follow the combines over here. And then if anything does survive my first slaughter, I'm going to come in with Monsanto and poison the shit out of everything so you can have a tofu salad and not be responsible for any death. Fuck you. That's a really good point.

Hello. And it's a point that a lot of people ignore. And avoid because it's uncomfortable. Isn't life full of uncomforting things? And you shouldn't be uncomfortable. To kill game, to feed mankind is perfect. To kill cows and pigs to feed mankind. The system is often less than perfect, but until someone comes up with a better system, I salute and genuflect at the altar of farmers and ranchers and people who kill animals to sustain my fellow man. I agree with you.

I think you and I would probably both disagree with factory farming when you see animals stuffed into cages. But we have to come up with a better system. I kill a lot of deer, and I feed more people than any hunter ever. I kill so much game every year because I have to. I don't hire sharpshooters. I kill the animals on my beautiful swamp in Michigan, on my Texas property, that have to die. They have to get out of there to make room for the next year's fawns.

So I soup kitchens, homeless shelter, I literally give tons. And I'm a sweetheart, but I'm not an idiot. I keep the backstraps. But I give tons of venison to soup kitchens and homeless shelters and veterans. We make jerky and send it over to the troops overseas. I mean, I have to adjust my halo just to get in the room. So what I do is literally perfect. Well, the problem is what you do, everybody can't do.

Like everybody's not going to have your kind of land. More people could, though. More people could. Yes. Well, you definitely, I know the Hunters for the Hungry distribute a ton of meat. 250 million, Joe, 250 million meals every year of venison. And there are people that would ban that? Shame on you. Well, I just think there's a lot of films and a lot of documentaries that portray veganism as being this perfect way of living that doesn't have any death or any habitat loss associated with it.

And then they look at the extreme of meat eating, which is the worst aspects of it. Factory farming, some of these disgusting pig farms and chicken farms. Disgusting. Horrifying. And the upgrade goes on because more alarms have been sounded. Not by paid and not by the Humane Society of the United States. They're just scam artists. By people who are coming to realize that we do not only have a responsibility to kill critters to feed mankind, but it can be

done in an environmentally beneficial way. I mean, if you watch my great late friend Anthony Bourdain on his shows and Andrew Zimmern on the Travel Channel, you watch their shows and the emphasis on environmentally friendly productivity, more and more organic farming, more and more conscientious waste dispersal, whether it's pig guts and they reutilize those or in Las Vegas, they get all this wasted food and they feed the pigs so it's good food going in, the pork tastes better. So there is upgrade taking place. And here's the ultimate inescapable fact of upgrade environmentalism. When I was growing up, Joe, Lake Erie would catch fire because of the pollution. It wasn't environmentalists or greenies that sounded the alarm.

It was the duck hunters that said, you're polluting this area so bad there's no ducks. There's no wild celery. There's no area so bad, there's no ducks. There's no wild celery. There's no walleyes. There's no fish. There's no muskrats for the trappers. Hunters, fishermen, and trappers have sounded the alarm, more often than not, about environmental irresponsibility.

And now Lake Erie that would spontaneously combust when I was growing up is now the number one walleye and smallmouth bass fishery in the world. And we're still producing, we've still got the industrial revolution going on there. But conscientious, higher, responsible level of awareness is spreading like wildfire across the country. And I believe that there's no mutual exclusivity whatsoever to productivity and environmental responsibility. I believe that there's no mutual exclusivity whatsoever to productivity and environmental responsibility. I believe that they both benefit each other. And I've got so many unlimited examples where that's worked from farms. I mean, people who live downwind of a pig farm are going to be the biggest squawkers, rightly so. And so I see a lot of upgrade going on. More organic, more conscientious, less waste.

It's not as regular operating procedures as it should be, but I see upgrade. I think you're right. And I think that the thought process behind all these people that are upset about factory farming, people even that go vegan, the thought process behind it is in the right place. I just think there's a lot of misguided energy there because they don't really understand where the food is coming from. They don't understand large-scale agriculture. They don't understand when you, and a lot of large-scale agriculture is to grow food

to feed animals that people eat. Essential, yeah. Yeah, but it's also wheat. There's also a lot of grain that people consume. And that displaces thousands and thousands of acres of animals. And the process is not a clean process. It's not clean in terms of there's no death. There's no harm.

It's cruelty-free. That's crazy. It's just not. As if you can possibly go through a day without having blood on your hands. Do you drive on the highways? Does any of your sustenance come on the highways? Because billions of animals are slaughtered on the highways every day. And if you are on planet Earth, part of that blood is on your hands. Who doesn't know this? Who's not willing to admit this? But but again i see an upgrade in level of awareness and responsibility but the the charge began in the hunting fishing and trapping community

because where does where does quality air soil and water come from i'll go ahead and answer that wildlife habitat well it's a lot of the people that are out there every day that really recognize it yeah and more and more you know i used to i still get death threats because i murder innocent animals yeah no i get those too what the hell so it's just so absurd but i think their their heart like i don't think the right place they just don't know what they're talking about they're just haters they're just a little bit of that how in 2018 do you not acknowledge barbecue how in 2018 do you not acknowledge there's a few dead turkeys on Thanksgiving? You've got to be brain dead. I think they're so consumed with hate that they fight.

Ignorance is acceptable. I'm ignorant. When I go to the Indy 500, I couldn't tune a Cogsworth. I'm ignorant about Cogsworth. Ignorance is acceptable because you can remedy it with knowledge and research. Stupidity is when you guard your ignorance. If you think that we're murdering innocent animals to feed our families with the purest protein available to mankind, balancing the herds with more deer, more elk, more bison, more turkeys, more waterfowl, more cougars,

more bears than ever in recorded history, except for the bison, but turkeys, more waterfowl, more cougars, more bears than ever in recorded history, except for the bison, but we're way back. We have as many bison as we can sustain in North America. A lot of the Native American tribes are desperate to get more harvested in an efficient and responsible manner. So wildlife is thriving because hunters implemented regulations for sustained yield. How many ducks can we kill? How many will they reproduce? Where is their habitat that determines their reproduction? We must safeguard that. Delta waterfowl, ducks unlimited.

But see, this information is universally available, but the fake news, academia, Hollywood, and half of our government is stone cold obsessed with political correctness and denial yeah so i do what i do and our spirit of the wild show has been number one on outdoor channel is this 29 years now wow i'm getting old um because we say it like it is we don't play around fun sport meat trophy sacred beast prayer for the wild things, resource stewardship, conservation, wise use, walk the wild ground before you comment on the wild ground.

Yeah. Duh. Well, this is what I'm talking about. When you were talking about that last Indian that they found, the guy who used to get into the river. Study Ishii. Okay, I will. I'll write it down.

How do you spell his name? I-S-H-I. You have to learn. I'm going to send you a bunch of stuff. I'm going to get your contacts, and I'm going to send you stuff. It will expand your horizons like you didn't know was available.

The history of modern bow hunting at the hands of Fred Bear and Saxon Pope and Art Young and the families that wanted to get closer to game, not necessarily kill because 90% of the time you don't kill squat with a bow and arrow.

But when you do, it's because you dedicate yourself to a higher reasoning level predator awareness, and you put your gifts from God to the maximum efficiency. And again, that's welding and carpentry, but ultimately you're going to kill something. You better kill it clean. And being human and failing overall to be perfect, you can be perfect. And put that arrow when you learn to read the wild signals, the attitude, and the bird indicators. The attitude and the bird indicators when the deer's coming, you use the light, the wind, the camo, stealthy movements, silence, and learn to time that shot.

My average deer dies in five seconds. The top of the heart's taken off. Both lungs are penetrated. That deer falls asleep on his feet and there's never been a beefsteak ever had it so good. Also, there's a connection to what you're doing that's different than almost any other connection to food. I mean, the only thing that's reasonably close and it's pretty far off is when you grow it yourself.

So if you grow your own vegetables, you got a connection to that food. But it's not the same connection as you get. No, because you're looking at- Especially if you send an arrow through an animal. You're looking at its eyes. You're looking at its eyes, but also you know how difficult it is. And when you pull it off, there's this powerful connection between you and that animal. You earn it.

And when you eat, you earn it. Oh, boy, do you earn it. And when you eat it, you feel that you earned it. I'm telling you- You get joy out of it. When Anthony Bourdain came to my place, he was still a little squeamish with killing stuff, even though he ate dead stuff on every show and got his paycheck from eating dead stuff. I hunted with him.

Yeah, did you? Yeah. He's a great man. He's a great man. Terrible loss. Terrible loss. And we talked about it, and I shared my knowledge with him. I don't have an opinion.

It's an animal. It's dead. You either revere them. I don't have an opinion. It's an animal. It's dead. You either revere it or you don't. You either utilize it with respect or you pretend you didn't have anything to do with it. It's dead. You're eating it. You should have been closer to the system. And the hunters, fishermen, and trappers of this country still carry on the definitive physics of spirituality

fishermen, and trappers of this country still carry on the definitive physics of spirituality that the native and aboriginal peoples called the great spirit, hence the spirit of the wild, the prayer for the wild things. But we're in a weird place, Ted, with cities, right? But I was born and raised in Detroit. You were, yeah. But, I mean, you got lucky in that your father was interested in bow hunting and that it gave him an escape. Which, by the way, it gives a lot of veterans today. A lot of veterans and good friends of mine are finding great relief in bow hunting as a discipline after combat life.

Yeah. To talk to a guy that's shared many campfires with those guys. They were there last night. It's a great transition for them. It's consuming. Yes. Fred Bearer uses the phrase, coined the phrase, and I use it all the time, it cleanses the soul.

When you leave the pavement, when I leave the pavement, and I make that transition from modern concrete jungle hand-to-hand combat city guy, because that's where my rock and roll career is the ultimate. And you take that deep breath, you literally go back to the year one. I know there's a highway nearby, and I know I can hear trucks off in the distance and the train whistle, which is kind of titillating unto itself. But when I get in my swamp in Michigan or my woods in Texas, to quote Jimi Hendrix, ain't no life nowhere. I am the aborigine.

It's me, my resources, and the beast. And it's a religious experience. It's the spirit. Natives call it the great spirit. They've considered the buffalo their brother. And it is so consuming that I don't care what kind of stress you could be going through the ugliest divorce in the world. And I have, you could be fighting against people who don't think that America should be first and you don't need secure borders and, and you don't need to earn your own way. You're able-bodied, but you want

somebody else's income. You're just crazy shit. And all of a sudden I get out there and I'm telling you, Joe, it's perfect. I'm literally intoxicated. I'm drunk. I'm stoned trying to pick up all the signals. And I do. I do a pretty good job. I've learned over the years because I need that so much to play my music like I play it that it cleanses my soul. And I've been contacted since the 60s with vets who have gone through just absolute torture in their military careers. And when I get them at a campfire and we go out and sit before the sun comes up, I can't tell you how many times they've cried because it's good again.

It was a great morning. I didn't have any stress. Forgot all about that bullshit when I thought I heard the deer. Then when I saw the deer, it was perfect. So you've expressed that, and I thank you for that, because you're new to this sport. Yeah. And for you to be an advocate and to articulate, you learned because you were already a mature man when you entered it. I was a dirtball, mushy-brained kid. But thank God I learned about that spirit. I learned about the discipline i learned

about stewardship callings and responsibility of course pounded by my dad god bless him and my brothers my sister we all are happy healthy successful hard-working funny cocky loving giving people because of that discipline that revolved around my family hunting seasons. Well, discipline is a big word. That was one of the really important aspects of it because I recognize the importance of discipline and always have pretty much my whole life. As a martial artist, especially. Yeah. Yeah.

So I came into bowling. You were ahead of the curve. Well, when I recognized it, I was like, oh, I know what this is a different thing. This is not what everybody thinks it is. This is a spiritual experience. And because you were around the masters, Cameron Haynes. Yeah. You had John Dudley on here.

Steve Rinella is the one who got me into it. Steve, he's a Michigan boy. Yeah. Yeah. They were good mentors for you. I got lucky. You got past the mistaken yet irresponsibly and dishonestly promoted aspect of the drunken hillbilly sign shooter hunter. Well, that stereotype is so ridiculous. I mean, my friends, guys like Cameron Haynes, he's a goddamn ultra marathon runner.

My friends like guys like Cameron Haynes. He's a goddamn ultra marathon runner I mean I runs 240 miles in a week and then you know is on the mountains all Fall long bad mo for I'm glad he doesn't play guitar. Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker But he's he's an incredibly disciplined guy sure This is his life is and he he'll tell everybody all that stuff that he does all the working out That's so he can be at his best in the mountains as a bow hunter. Sure. That he considers his true spiritual calling. And I got to tell you, you're sitting across from a guy, and I'm not bragging.

I'm just kind of sharing. You can brag. You can tell me. You're allowed to brag a little bit. Yeah, but it's a celebration that I have been humbled and blessed beyond description to share campfires with more hunters than anybody you've ever met. Because I've been donating hunts for years. I started my Sunrise Safaris. I guide hundreds of hunters every year.

I don't take them all out to their stand, but we all get together at my Michigan place, have 24 in a weekend, 20 in a weekend. And it's a campfire get-down with Uncle Ted playing guitar. But we shoot our bows. We shoot our guns. We set things up. A lot of them are newcomers. 20 in a weekend. And it's a campfire get-down with Uncle Ted playing guitar. But we shoot our bows. We shoot our guns. We set things up. A lot of them are newcomers. I guide on my Spirit Wild ranch in Texas.

I guide in New Brunswick in Ontario for bears. Did you get Kid Rock into bow hunting? Yes, I did. I did. And it's a great story, too. Has he hunted yet? Well, remember that discipline word we were talking about? Yeah, we don't have that yet. He's working on that.

But his girlfriend is a killer. Really? Not only is she a killer, gorgeous gal, but Audrey is a dangerous bull hunting woman. I mean, she's always killing stuff. It's awesome. She's addicted. I get peace from her all the time and never from Bob. That's hilarious.

She's awesome. I'll start sharing that stuff with you. I'll turn you on to a higher level of appreciation of fine-ass women with a sharp stick. This gal, between my wife, Shemaine, and Audrey, I'm telling you, yeah. But anyhow, the guys that you've hunted with, you're talking about great human beings. Yeah. Men of integrity and discipline and productivity and a drive to be in the asset column.

They're misunderstood because of movies. Very rarely. I was about to say, I share campfires with lots of newcomers because they see this rock and roll guy that they love the music and we share the appreciation for my American rhythm and blues rock and roll jihad. And so they want to try hunting and they come to buy a hunt with me or they make a donation for a military or children's charity and they've never hunted and I tell them what to buy and they show up and it's Natty Bumpo, man.

You know who Natty Bumpo was? No. I need to get into that. Anyhow. Should I write that down too? How do you spell it? No, I'm going to send it to you. James Fenimore Cooper.

He was a character in his Last of the Mohicans. He's a new hunter. Natty Bumbo. He's like a novice, a rookie. Anyhow, I get a lot of these people. And you know, I've never met anybody at any of my campfires that wasn't honest, At any of my campfires that wasn't honest, that wasn't friendly, wasn't successful to some degree, whether it's a teacher on a teacher's salary, successful. They're a teacher.

That's successful. Who care deeply about the wildlife and the wild grounds. So when you hear about, well, that drunken bum's just shooting everything. Well, nobody's spent more time with more hunters than I have. I've never seen that. Never even seen it. I know it exists. Some of them do.

It exists. I know it exists. It's sad that they exist. It's sort of priests that butt-fuck kids. Right. You know, but that's not the priesthood. Right. I hope.

So there's always going to be aberrant, dipshit, demonic behavior by our fellow man somewhere, somehow. But it is so rare in the hunting world that, again, that's all I do. Seven months a year is hunt. Well, I haven't hunted as much as you, but I've been around a lot of great people. Great people. Yeah. And it goes right back to Fred Bear, which is the start off of our dialogue here.

Great man. We hunted until 1987 together in October, and he was on oxygen. Then he passed away. Have you ever heard the song? Yeah, I have heard your Fred Bear song. And then that song happened with a life of its own because of my love and admiration for the man and what he represented. Someone like that that just carries that torch further than everyone. Those people are so important.

At a time where there was no indication that you might have to. The animal rights thing hadn't really started meaningfully yet. Political correctness wasn't even coined. There was no fake news. There was the beginning of the attack on hunting from ignorant, citified people that somehow believe that their food didn't die or they're not responsible for any death.

And so they would play the holier-than-thou dishonesty move by attacking those of us that actually took part in the process of feeding our families. And Fred was such a gentleman and he was so clever and he so efficiently promoted the challenge and the intimacy of man and wild connection that he will live in infamy. Everybody in the hunting world knows that he was a force to reckon with, and he's always there.

And as the song says, in the wind, he's still alive. And it's powerful medicine well a lot of people know of him because of you oh yeah a lot of people more people have learned about fred from me than from the archery industry do you do you this this conversation you've been having this conversation about hunting forever i mean i've heard a lot of these things you're saying today before from you does this do you ever get tired of being this evangelist? No, not at all. I love it so much. And the other side is so dishonest that I know I make inroads. You go to my Facebook.

Do you think they're dishonest or do you think they're ignorant? They know that there's going to be new fawns next year, but there's not going to be any new ground. They know this. They know that venison is good food. Right, but they don't think of it that way. Well, they don't think of it as suffering. They think of it as suffering. That's why I continue to do this, because I cause them to think. I can tell you thousands of

examples since the 60s where people thought I was a coward for murdering innocent animals that can't shoot back. I mean, what does that sentence even mean? What do you mean they can't shoot back? They don't have trigger fingers, you jerk. So I have taken this on.

And you notice I smiled throughout that whole thing. I don't get angry. So I know that by continuing to promote in the absence of any education in our education system, in fact, it's the opposite. Animal rights gets more time in our education system, our anti-education system. The media, lying sons of bitches. Hollywood, goofy. Half of the government out to lunch. So guys like you and me that know the truth, we should never give up because there is a scourge of political correctness and dishonesty.

And that's what political correctness is. It's denial and dishonesty. And I know we're making inroads. You should see the bombardment I got. Joe's a big hunter now. He's denial and dishonesty. And I know we're making inroads. You should see the bombardment I got. Joe's a big hunter now. He's really a fighter. He speaks cleverly. He speaks accurately and passionately about it. Hallelujah.

There's a bunch of us out there. With the advent of the Outdoor Channel and Sportsman's Channel and the Pursuit Network, more and more people are getting wind of what we're doing. I think a lot of it from the internet, too. And the monster communication power i think people understand that there's more to it than they thought and if they're willing to just look a little bit further look a little bit further they realize like well especially western hunting these guys are running hills and they're they're

backpacking with heavy weights on their back discipline for hours and hours every day just to build up their endurance so they can hike out with meat. These Western hunters, man, that are going out and bow hunting elk and then packing them out by themselves over the course of five days. Incredible job. I went to Alaska the first time when I was 20-something. I guess I must have been 28. My first Alaska trip, 77.

I was out there for two weeks in a soggy, wet, nasty, cold tent, a little pup tent with George Fairbearer, and I got a giant caribou, a great black bear, and a big old moose. And, boy, humping them quarters in that tundra. I thought I was a Superman athletic, you know, amplifier jumping rock and roll sinew muscle boy. I got my ass kicked. Carrying a moose shoulder.

Oh, man. 150 pounds. Just one big moose shoulder. When you see one in real life, it's hard to believe that that's a real animal. And that goes back to what you said earlier, that when you dine on that and you put that effort forth and you spent all those days skunked and wet and cold and nasty, enjoying it for what it was but there's also a pain in the ass you can't get wait to get back to some place with a wood burner

but when you've packed it out yourself when you take that sacred flesh off that grill before you even finish the first knife slice all those memories and it just tastes better. And it really does taste better. But with that effort, it is a spiritual moment that this, like the natives say, you don't kill the animal. You accept the gift if you put your heart and soul into your reasoning predatorship. And that's always been my mantra. And my kids are all raised on venison.

We just don't buy meat. It's all we eat is the stuff we kill. Pheasants and quail and doves and woodcock and grouse and rabbits and squirrels and ducks and geese and gullinules and snipe and beavers and deer and elk and antelope and bear and cougar. It's the greatest food in the world. I'm 70 years old, and I'm forced to reckon with because of my disciplined diet of the ultimate rocket fuel available on planet Earth. You really do look good for 70. You look fucking fantastic. If I had some sleep, I'd be downright handsome. But you think about the average person that's been eating the average American diet for 70 years.

By the time they're your age, they're deteriorating rapidly. The poison, the fructose, the chemicals, the preservatives. Oh, my God. If I may, on the Joe Rogan podcast. Please do. My friends, get rid of the goddamn sugar. If you can't pronounce it on the package, do not buy it. Do

not feed your children high fructose poisoning. My God, people. Get the poisons out of your blubberish lives. Good food is

so simple. Catch a fish or buy a fish. Buy some fresh or grow some fresh vegetables. Put real butter and use the real fat. Don't take the skin off the chicken. That's where all the good fat is. That's where all the flavor is. And eat real food.

Well, we can't afford that. No, you can't afford not to. Everything that says diet on it or no sugar is poison. That's not my opinion. It's a chemical reality. And when you attempt to digest fructose and preservatives, your body goes, I don't recognize this bullshit. We can't process this.

And it turns into blubber and here's a little update blubber is for sperm whales not people if you have to lift up slabs to dry off after the shower your diet sucks i saw you in an interview once a long time ago before i started watching i've been i've done a bunch i know you have but when i saw you i was like once a long time ago. It was before I started watching your show. I've done a bunch, haven't I? I know you have. But when I saw you, I was like, how does this guy have so much fucking energy? I remember thinking that.

I'm like, this guy's so fired up. And then you started talking about your diet. You started talking about, you said, all I eat is venison. You start going off about backstraps. And then I started thinking, like, think about the dark red meat of wild game. And this is before you became a hunter, right? Oh, yeah. Quite a few years before.

I flirted with it for several years. Can't be flirted with. I didn't have anybody to take me. Got a swan dive into it. I got lucky. Steve Grinella took me on his show. I know Steve doesn't like me, but he's really, really good. Why say he doesn't like you?

Huh? Why say he doesn't like you? I've heard comments with his attacking me for the whack-em and stack-em because it would be much better if I just butchered them and slaughtered them because semantics is so important. Oh, the way you phrase things, whack-em and stack-em? Yeah, it's fun. I'm whack-em, I'm stack-em. I got 12 bluegills. That's a stack.

Shut the fuck up. Well, do people think that your outrageous behavior is somehow detrimental to the movement of acceptance? Stupid people do. But the people who come and join the sport because of my exuberance don't. I would say that God bless Steve Rinella and God bless Cameron and all those guys. I revere them. They're masters of their craft. I have caused more young people to become hunters than all other forces in the world. Case

closed because I'm having so much fucking fun. They go, hey, this guy's out of control. Bows and arrows. Let's get a bow and arrow and go kill something. They absolutely come to it because of the fun. Then they hear about the discipline and they hear about the quality diet and they hear about the spiritual trophy, whether antlers or not, that has guided my passionate life and manifests itself in these killer songs and killer guitar licks and outrageous fire-breathing concerts. And they go, oh, fuck, I can do that. And so they get a bow and arrow, they get a shotgun, they start hunting. Go to my Facebook. I don't know if it's millions, but thousands and thousands of young people that would be inclined to be anti-hunting are now gun-ho hunters because Uncle Ted is having so much fun because I whack them and stack them.

Well, congratulations with that. Yeah, the thing is that they don't get – when they hear your enthusiasm, then they go, okay, well, I haven't had this perspective before. Their perspective on hunting that I've gotten before is that these are cruel assholes that go out there and shoot animals and they don't care. Or worse, Joe, my critics, and I won't mention any names, but, you know, when they're on their hunting TV shows and they're so ultra cautious not to ruffle any feathers, they kind of come off like Mr. Rogers with a Lawrence Welk soundtrack. And young people think you're a fucking asshole if that's all you've got. And if hunting is that boring, I think I'll just smoke some dope and go, you know, cruising tonight. Which I know you like to smoke your dope. I like dope. I don't call it dope, though. And go nuts. Cops call it dope. What do you call it smoke your dope. Listen, I like dope. I don't call it dope, though.

And go nuts. Cops call it dope. What do you call it? Marijuana. Well, I'm a cop. Yeah, there you go. Pot. But I got buddies, and I'm not going to condemn you for that.

I just don't think that comfortably numb is the way to go. In fact, I have a song. It's a great song. Well, you want to know a better song? Sure. It's on my new record. It's called Uncomfortably Dumb. And my point is, are you a father?

Yes. You want your babysitter high? No. Oh, how about your doctor? No, but I don't want my babysitter sleeping either. You don't want her what? Sleeping. I want them paying attention.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So that doesn't mean that you shouldn't get high ever. It just means you shouldn't get high when you're watching kids. Damn right. Yeah. Or when you're flying my plane. I agree with that, too.

You know, the only guy I want. Well, I don't think you should be compromised when you're doing anything delicate. You know, the only guy I want high? Who? My comedians. Ah. It helps. It's like steroids for comedy.

I was there. I was there with Richard Pryor and Robin Williams and Sam Kinnison. God knows, go ahead and snort anything you got, motherfucker, because I need to laugh till I shit. It's hard to come up with that shit sober. I do every night. I'm a funny son of a bitch. You got to come see my show.

I want to. I have so much fun on stage. It's stupid. I think the perceptions about pot are very similar to the perceptions about, there's a lot of people that abuse pot. They abuse alcohol. People abuse everything. Doesn't mean you can't use it responsibly.

I agree. Unfortunately, in my 60 years of pursuing the Chuck Berry soundtrack of ultra James Brown tight music, I have never seen anything but heartbreak. drugs from the drug use even and I'm on a new council by the way uh working with President Trump to legalize medical marijuana nationwide so I want you to know that and I'm all for that that's awesome I deal with a lot of terminally ill kids and there's nothing that's off limitslimits to take away that suffering. So I need to fight for that. Well, it's great for people with epilepsy as well. Absolutely. A lot of kids that have severe autism.

I got my bag out in the truck. Some guy's making water with cannabis oil, with the CDB. Is that part of it? CBD? Yeah. And he says it'll help me relax after my sonic bombast torture test on stage every night. I'm sure it will. Think I had to drink some of that shit.

Yeah, well, I know you've had some problems with your knees and stuff, too. I have both new knees, and that was torture. Did you get them replaced? Both of them, yeah. From jumping off all those amps. I never heard the word meniscus until my doctor said I had none. I have a tear in mine. I just got stem cell shots in it yesterday.

Oh, pain in the ass. I have a slight tear. I have two brand new knees, and I ain't dancing like the 25-year-old Ted Nugent. But you're walking fine. I'm doing fine. I can still climb. So you used to have a bad limp, right, from that? Shuffle, yeah.

Yeah, and now- They were both gone. Steve Tyler was here from Aerosmith. Yeah, he is gone. He's got a new one. He's got one new one, and he's thinking about getting another one. I had both at the same time. Yeah?

I'm a fool. How long were you down for? I was walking the next morning. So what do they do exactly? Well, they go and they cut your knee open, and they get a hammer and a chisel, and they pound out the old shit and put in some metal stuff. Have you ever seen? It's actually available online. You don't want to watch it if you're going to have it done.

It's brutal. But I had a good surgeon and uh it came out good and the pain going on stage for so many years since certainly since the year 2000 with the damn yankees even what year did you get it done uh 2000 what is this 18 now 12 maybe so 12 years of pain yeah oh it was it was more than that but because i jumped off those fucking amplifiers what what's up blew your knees out oh my what kind of dirt bag was i somebody should have said you have meniscus well you know save your meniscus you know maynard keenan, the lead singer of Tool? Right. He blew his hip out from just stomping on the ground while he was singing.

Because the music, I have a new record called The Music Made Me Do It. The music made him do it. The music made Steve Tyler do it. When you get up there, it is a world unto itself. It is out of body. It is a stream of consciousness. You got to be careful because you think you're invincible invincible on that stage with by the way the movie invincible that you stranglehold

best use of my song ever but anyhow best use of your song ever was randy couture coming out to stranglehold in the ufc yeah you're probably right yes i remember that yes and and the blackhawks in chicago every gigs for the 25 30 30 years, they play Stranglehold. He came out to Stranglehold when he beat Tim Sylvia for the UFC heavyweight title. He's a severe underdog, and he came out, and the place went nuts. When Stranglehold played. Stranglehold says it all. It's great.

Here I come again, now baby, like a dog in heat. It's just a great riff. I'm by the clamor, baby, and I'd like to tear up the street. I've been smoking for so long, I'm here to stay. Got you in a stranglehold, bitch, get the fuck out of my way. Fucking awesome. You're getting excited. It's a love song.

You're getting excited. It's a love song. The connection between rock and roll, guitarist, and bow hunting, for most people, is like a big stretch. Stretch. It's like, how are those? Different galaxies. Yeah, different universes.

Yeah. Except for the most important elements, and that is discipline. Discipline, yeah. The focus to create, and I've been so blessed beyond words to have the greatest musicians at my side forever. For literally 60 years. Right now, I got Greg Smith on the bass guitar. Just a god of thunder. Greg Smith, the best.

Like a funk brother in heat. And Jason Hartless, 23-year-old drummer from Detroit, is just an absolute animal. And every band from my Royal Highboys in the 50s to the Lourdes in the 60s and the Amboy Dukes and even the damn Yankees with Tommy and Jack and Michael, are you kidding me? I've had literally the A-list of musicians at my side from Tommy Aldridge and Tommy Clefetos and Mick Brown on drums and Cliff Davies.

Are you kidding me? Denny Carmasi. I mean, the best drummers, the best bass players. I've just been the luckiest guitar player in the world. But it's a weird connection, right? Like most people don't think of rock and roll and bow hunting. They're so far removed. Well, if you think of Ted Nugent, you do.

But you're the only one. But there I was geographically in Michigan, a firestorm of musical influence. All the best musicians in the world, they'll tell you, come out of Detroit from Motown. Bob Seger, now Kid Rock, Eminem, and just killer, killer bands. MC5, I got a great Wayne Kramer story. He has a wonderful book coming out called The Hard Stuff. You ever talk to Wayne? You need to have Wayne Kramer on your show.

Actually, Kiss isn't from New York. They're from New York. MC5. Detroit, Rock City, I'm thinking of. Yeah, I'm going to turn you on to Wayne Kramer. He's got a good book about his tragic mistakes and near-death heroin prison dirtbag maneuvers. But he's a great man, a musical authority. And in the music of Detroit and, of course, 50s, Little Richard,

how do you not get moved by Little Richard and Bo Diddley and Chuck Berry? How are you not touched by that? And then you see him on TV in the Ed Sullivan show, and I don't care who you are, Stephen Tyler or Billy Joel or whoever, Elvis Presley, and now the Stones and the Beatles. Are you kidding me? And it's Ed Sullivan, and I had a guitar. Plus, I'm in Michigan, and every kid was born. You got a Red Ryder Daisy BB gun.

You had a Wham-O slingshot, and you had a little bow and arrow of some kind. I live right next to the Rouge River, so I was always down there, you know, chasing critters and building forts and crossing the river. And the music and the bow hunting, music and the bow hunting. I met Fred Bear. I got these great musicians, the music and the bow hunting, music and the bow. Unbelievable. What a life.

What a dream. What a firestorm of cravings and fulfillment of those cravings every day and here it is last night was my 6680th concert and that goes all the way back to soccer all counted all the way back to the 1950s 6600 you write them down now i did for years i took out all the books and started adding them up but from the from my my musical review with the Royal School of Music in 1958, and then with Joe Podorsik from the Capital School of Music at the Detroit Fairgrounds, and then we started playing sock hops and pool parties and malt shops and everywhere, you know, basement parties. I counted those. Those are gigs. And then when the Amboy Duke started in 65, we'd do 300 concerts, plus 300 a year for many, many years.

And even with the damn Yankees in the early 90s, we did over 200 concerts a year. So I added them all up, and last year was 6,679 in Okinawa for the U.S. Marine Corps. Pretty intense. And then last night at the Coach House in San juan capistrano 6 680 tonight is 6 6 81 jesus yeah cool huh that's why i look tired that's a lot of shows that's a lot of tree stand remedy how do you have the time because i always figure out i try to figure out how i have the time to do what i do but i think you do more than i do uh i think we can both agree the greatest philosopher of all times was dirty harry when he said a good man knows his limitations.

Back with the Amboy Dukes, we do over 300 concerts a year. And I was still craving my hunting. So I'd carve out a weekend in October and a weekend in November with my dad. And we'd get out there and hunt. But that wasn't enough. What about practice time? With the archery? Yeah.

Bone arrow on the road. Do you take like a block target? Absolutely. You bet. Shooting a parking lot somewhere? You bet. Morrell targets for me. Yeah, all Morrell.

Someone's got a sponsor. Sponsor your damn right. But no, I've shot my bow and arrow on stage for thousands of concerts. Right. And then I always have it with me. And I always have friends that have bows and arrows. In fact, I wish I had brought it today because I could show you some of the zen of mystical flight of the arrow maneuvers. I shoot a really lightweight bow, only 50 pounds.

Yeah, you shoot that new Matthews? I shoot the new Triax Matthews, yeah. They're all great. There's not a bad bow out there. Not anymore. Awesome. The competition is awesome. So anybody listening, the most important thing, you can tell Joe and I love the mystical flight of the arrow.

Go get you a bow and arrow. Get to a bow shop, get measured. Find a bow that fits you and make sure it's graceful enough. Don't struggle when you're starting. It's got to come back mushy. Archery is grace, not power. And get that bow so it settles back here for hand-eye coordination and you don't have to struggle. People should start with a 25, 30-pound bow to get that archery thing going, preferably an old recurve or a longbow if you can, and find out where you're pointing.

Where's that arrow going? And you will be consumed with it. Yeah, and find someone who can really teach you if you can. Yeah, you have to have a mentor. Yeah, because if you do it wrong and you start off with bad habits. habits will plague you then you get target panic well it's a that's a problem with martial arts too it's really important to start off with a good instructor if you learn things poorly first and then try to refix it i'll bet you're still kind of wired incorrectly yeah yeah it's very difficult and archery as well right that's why america's in trouble because

people are learning at schools. Well, that's a really good analogy. They're learning the wrong stuff. I mean, it really is what's going on. You know, you get taught that life is boring, droning, pay attention to the rules, stuck in a box. Show me a graduate from the American anti-education system that can balance a checkbook. Do people do that anymore? Well, they ought to.

No, unfortunately, they don't, hence the debt. You know, pragmatism. Checkbooks went the way of maps. Yes, but you know what I mean. Be pragmatic, be responsible, be accountable, be utilitarian, self-sufficiency, be the best that you can be, call your body the sacred temple that it's supposed to be. Treat it with reverence. Eat good. Be good.

Be the best that you can be. Be competitive. Life isn't fair. Get used to it. If you want to excel in life, you show up earlier than the competition. You work harder than the competition. You do a better job than the competition. You stay later than the competition.

You'll end up owning the damn company. Yeah, and learning how to think. Learning how to think and learning how to think learning how to think and learning how to look at things it's something that's never taught in school and it's one of the most important lessons in your life and you learn that lesson i think through doing difficult things absolutely i had a conversation about you once and someone was like well what do you think he's like i go look this is what you have to understand forget about all the public shit he's awesome at two things that are really hard to be good at.

Guitar and bow hunting. Very difficult. They're both very difficult. Discipline. You have to be. Discipline. You have to be an exceptional person. Especially since you sound like such shit for so long in the guitar, there's no satisfaction whatsoever. For how many years?

Took years. I was the worst. All my buddies learned faster than I did. In fact, I just met up with Donnie Henderson. He's probably listening right now. And he was in a band called The Gang. When I had a band called The Lures, we kicked their ass and won the Battle of the Bands in Michigan when I was about 13 or 14. And he and I are still friends.

And I guess he's going to be 70 soon, too. And he played all the Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley stuff perfect. And I'm stumbling and making stupid noises. But you know what happened? Because I couldn't figure out the exact licks, I created my own style. And I started playing. People thought I was being clever. I just was doing them wrong. But it still had a good rhythm. It had a kind of cool sound to it. Yeah, yeah. Like John Coltrane meets a punk kid playing Bo Diddley Licks. And so I developed my own style and I've had a lot of fun with it. But with all your, the question is though, with all your media, all the stuff that you

do, you're constantly doing interviews and phone-in interviews. You're constantly doing things. How do you have time to do all this? Still write music? I have a great team. You were talking about Linda getting a hold of your team. Linda Peterson has been with me for 30 years. Doug Banker has been my manager for over 30 years. All my crew, Chris Helms and Jim Knapp and my sons and my daughters. My wife, Shemaine, is the goddess. Have you ever seen Shemaine?

Sure. God, help me. I've seen your show. Oh, she's so good. She's the queen of the forest. She you ever seen Shemaine? Sure. God, help me. I've seen your show. Oh, she's so good. She's the queen of the forest. She is the queen of the forest, full time. Not a damn thing you can do about it. And I have such a great team.

My crew on the road right now, I leave nothing to chance. I don't have to worry or think about a thing. All I have to do is play my guitar and rock my balls off. So I've always had a great team, professional work ethic monsters that are conscientious, dedicated, professional, knowledgeable. So there's no loose ends. And that's how I'm able to do all that. You're this, but you're also this really loud voice in the culture of war. Have to be, yeah war. Have to be. You have to be.

I refuse to let lies go unchallenged. I refuse to let anti-logic go unchallenged. Anti-logic like what? Like you don't need secure borders? Really? So the Democrats don't think we need to secure our borders? And the Democrats don't admit there's a difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. Let me give you a little metaphor. If you go to the bank and withdraw from your account, you're a legal banker. If you go to the bank and draw from someone else's account, you're a bank robber. There is a division there. We're for legal banking. We're not for illegal

banking. And this kind of anti-logic has weaseled its way into policy. And it's just tragic with a multi-trillion dollar debt and unsecured borders. And we're worried about separating families. We fail to say, if you're going to come here, come legally, or we will send you back.

We send out a message, have at it. Just go ahead and swim across the damn river. Well, do you personally have a problem when they separate families? Oh, sure, I do. I'm a father and a grandfather. Beyond fucked up. But the real fuck up starts with the insane irresponsibility of daring to subject your children to that.

I don't think they have any choice. I think there's a lot of people that are over there. They're living in Mexico or Guatemala. Because Mexico and Guatemala is one big gang-infested government military law enforcement shithole. Yeah. And if you call it a shithole, I'm racist. Well, if it wasn't a

shithole, they would stay. It is a shithole. You ever been there? It's a shithole. Some of Mexico's awesome. Yeah, some of Mexico hasn't been raped and pillaged yet, but give them time. They'll make it. Even in the big resorts, they're murdering and raping and brutalizing people. I mean, it's just a hellhole. There's definitely some bad things happening, and a lot of it is because of the drug war.

Out of control, yeah. Yeah, and a lot of people think that the remedy to that is legalizing drugs and taxing them. Yeah, yeah, I would like to. I mean, the same thing with prohibition. The same thing that would happen in America. It really boosted organized crime and Al Capone, and they got a stronghold because of the money they were making from illegal drugs, which was alcohol at the time. I think that right now that the spoiled brat epidemic in this country,

if you don't get everything you want and you start shooting people or you cut people off and road rage. If everything doesn't go just right, everybody is so touchy and so pussified that when I was growing up, sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt me. What do you think that's coming from? liberalization of policy and the horrible lie of the welfare dream that people who need a helping hand are always given a helping hand by neighbors and family and friends. If they have them. Yeah. Well, the Catholic Church has $8 trillion just in jewelry. They could probably provide some sandwiches and blankets. So there's plenty of help available. But when you get into a system and you play on the people's emotions that we need a safety net, these poor people are

destitute, they need help. Okay, let's create a welfare where we can help these destitute people. Meanwhile, it's infested with scammers and bloodsuckers and liars who are able-bodied, and they just don't want to stop at the help wanted sign. They want some of your income because you're stupid enough to get up early and work really hard, and they don't want to. That's pandemic. So meanwhile, the people who are truly needy, they slip through the cracks. We don't even get to know who they are. And the liberal policy of eliminating the heartbreak and the disrespect of cuckoo's nest,

we can't call them mental health centers. We might hurt some feelings. So now what are they doing? They're putting spikes in boards and attacking people walking their dog in LA. There's no place for them to go. When I was growing up, there's a place in Detroit called Eloise. It was a nut house. And that's a cuckoo's nest. That's where if you were mentally ill and you needed help, that there was a place for you to go to get you off the streets so you don't attack people with spikes and two-by-fours. What are you talking about,

the spikes and two-by-fours? The guy right here, right down the street here, two days ago. Really? Yeah, he attacked some fashion photographer walking his dog and hit him in the head

with a two-by-four with a spike and almost killed him. And a citizen... I didn't even hear about this. Oh, yeah, it was awesome. A citizen jumped up in the air and caught this guy with both feet right in the neck and knocked him down and beat the shit out of him. It was awesome.

Well, that's nice. So it was a rare occasion of justice. Pro-wrestling coming in handy. But, yes, but that incident is not rare where you go to San Francisco and the mental health institution isn't supposed to be the streets. San Francisco is a good example of too much liberal policy. And the mental health institution isn't supposed to be the streets. The mental health institution. San Francisco is a good example of too much liberal policy. You get people that are a little bit too progressive and too open-minded.

That's not progressive. That's regressive. I don't know. How did they ever utilize that term? That's bastardized. That's not progressive. It gets so far that it becomes regressive when you're letting bums shit all over the streets. You think?

I think that would be an indicator. But they're so, like, they're so, the idea is that just, like, these poor people, leave them alone. You know, they're fine. They just, you know, it's okay if they live on the streets. But if you go to San Francisco, they're very aggressive. It's one of the weirder places I've ever been in terms of homeless people. And one of the most, quote, unquote, progressive places in our country. It's one of the most progressive cities., progressive places in our country. Yeah.

It's one of the most progressive cities. Heartbreaking. Yeah. We need more cuckoo's nests. But even those institutions, the corruption and the abuse of power that runs rampant, the nurse Cratchit, that wasn't just a fantasy script. That happens. The irresponsibility and pharmaceuticaling everybody. You know, they got a mental problem and then they increased the mental problem with Big Farm.

I mean, I've had personal experiences with that with dear friends of mine that were having mental problems and they end up in an institution. And then their mental problems are exasperated by chemical warfare upon them. You know, when I was growing up, how old are you, Joe? 50. 50, just a boy. When I was growing up, there was this mantra, this colloquialism, better living through chemistry. And in many ways, it is.

I mean, we saved tens of millions of lives in Africa with DDT by killing the ZZ fly, and we saved tens of millions of people. And then some environmentalists came in, and the DDT is a dangerous chemical, so they stopped it, and we lost tens of millions of people. It's better to kill a bunch of tsetse flies to save human lives than to ban the DDT that allows tsetse flies to flourish and kills people. and kills people. So now it's gone full circle. And that's where the toxins have accumulated. And the horrific waste that I had texted Anthony just before he died, congratulating him on his

hosting that brilliant documentary. If you haven't seen it yet, it's called Waste! what we do to our foods in this country, and the self-inflicted scourge of toxification of our precious environment. So there's not a lot of easy answers, but here it is, 28th of June, 2018, and here you and I are at least discussing this stuff to millions of people, I suspect, and I see upgrade taking place. I see upgrade in awareness, not fast enough to make me happy, but enough to indicate an upgraded prognosis for people's awareness, accountability, responsibility. Where are you seeing this? Awareness, accountability, responsibility.

Where are you seeing this? Whether it's, you know. Like the circles that you travel in? The circles, certainly. We don't waste. One of my biggest pet peeves is little fat kids that, you know, take a sip of $2 bottle of water and then they leave it there and end up throwing it away. And the waste, this pandemic in this country. And I see my kids are like stormtroopers. They're like drill sergeants with that.

We just don't want to waste. And we've always recycled, and the jury is still out whether that has any effect at all. But the disconnect and unconscionable misbehavior of just tossing and throwing away everything. You know what drives me fucking crazy? Cigarettes out the window. The people that smoke cigarettes for whatever reason didn't have any

problem throwing it on the ground. Even people that wouldn't litter. How about what drives me crazy is somebody's still stupid enough to buy cancer. Yeah, exactly. Here, let me invest in the companies that want to kill me here here's a couple extra thousand dollars kill more of us how dumb do you have to be cool it makes you look like a rebel i don't think so you're a rebel man watch never smoked i'd never smoked a cigarette no drug no drugs no alcohol no tobacco a little

wine though no fat pussy i'm telling you that shit will kill you no fat, no tobacco. Well, you drink a little wine, though, right? And no fat pussy. I'm telling you, that shit will kill you. No fat pussy? No. Not even a little? I'm allergic. I'm a big fan, for those who want, but no. Don't you drink a little wine, though? I do drink a little wine, but I don't think that qualifies as a drinker.

Right. You're just having a glass of wine with a meal. My sons and my daughters, my brothers and sisters, Thanksgiving dinner, beer. Beer is better than Coke. Right. Vastly. Sure. It's when you start to enter the drool zone that I have a big problem.

Of course. And all of a sudden, if there's a problem, I can't rely on you anymore. Right. I want to be reliable. Yeah. And that's why I have a problem with comfortably numb. Yeah. Right. I want to be reliable. Yeah, that's why I have a problem with comfortably numb. Yeah, I think in my experience You can't wake up the bass player because he's comfortably numb the guys don't show up. He can't tune his guitar He forgot the slick. We're not as tight as we could be you're fired, right?

I know what you're saying But this is what I'm saying to you is that this is just a discipline issue and it's not the marijuana or anything that gets people like that it's a lack of discipline I come from the jiu-jitsu world and the jiu-jitsu world is filled with people that smoke pot and these motherfuckers work hard but they want what's the number one karate guy who's the guy that died Bruce Lee yeah Bruce Lee okay did he smoke dope uh he ate hash He ate hash. He ate hash? Yeah, he was into eating hash. Here's my question to you.

But that's not what killed him. Here's my question to you, as I offered to my son Rocco, because he's an advocate. Of marijuana? Yes. Okay. All right, Rocco. And I said, so do you really believe that perfectly clean and sober, taking care of your health with a conscientious diet, good athletic workout discipline, physical prowess, do you really think that an outside source, peyote, mushrooms, dope, whatever you want to call it,

source, peyote, mushrooms, dope, whatever you want to call it. Do you really think that with that outside influence, you can do something you can't do unto your God-given gift individual self? I'm convinced, Joe, that you will be the absolute best you can be. You will accomplish what I think is a self-inflicted curse of modern man, that 90%, 98% of humanity might be tapping into 5% of their capabilities because they get on a treadmill. ever so decreasing view of the world and experiences and the destroyed road over-traveled versus not only the road less traveled, but the non-road untraveled. That's my favorite. I'm convinced that you, Joe Rogan, will find your superior definitive best without any outside influence. I believe you have the power. I think I have the power when I get on stage tonight.

And you got to come. You got to come witness this. My bad than I do. We'll work something out. We'll figure out a time. I can't come tonight, unfortunately. I got to show the improv. Of human fire.

We put our fists together and chant James Brown and Wilson Pickett and Funk Brothers, and it's like the last wolves on an island, ganashing of teeth over the last bone and shard of flesh. It's an out-of-body, soaring-above-life-itself experience that we have in us. I don't need anything. I understand that. It's in me. I understand that, but you don't use anything.

So you're talking from a place of non-experience when it comes to marijuana or mushrooms or any of these things. But my 70 years, I'd say at least 55 of those years, from the beatniks to the hippies to the friends, and you've got to meet this Wayne Kramer guy, MC5 Guitars, new book, The Hard Stuff. He and I were born the same time, same influence, Detroit, the swamps, the outdoors, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Motown, James Brown. He started smoking dope. I didn't. And he's got heroin in the crack. I get it.

And then he prisoned. I get it. And stealing. I didn't. And he's got heroin in the crack. I get it. And then he's in prison. I get it. And stealing. I get it. And arrested. And I'm having the time of my life, and he's like wallowing in a cesspool of dog shit. And I'm not knocking Wayne. I'm saying that he was courageous to write this book.

It's a brilliant book. You've got to have him on. You're going to read it you're gonna you're gonna be consumed by his conversational writing of the mc5 ascension to the most authoritative powerhouse music I've ever witnessed in my life to a bunch of dirt bags on the downward spiral because of drugs and alcohol. I know that happens. It definitely happens. But it happens with everything.

It happens with people. They eat too much food. It happens with people with gambling. It happens with a bunch of different things. But I think it's because of discipline. It's because they don't have a clear path. I think it's because they let themselves become self-indulgent and they let themselves be weak. What I'm saying is that I know a lot of people who use,

whether it's psychedelics or they use marijuana and they use it to enhance their perspective. It doesn't become the primary focus of their life. It doesn't consume their life. They don't allow it to consume their life. There's a whole other world of disciplined marijuana enthusiasts and they're confused the same way people confuse hunters. The same way people think of hunters as being lazy, drunken slobs who are cruel to animals. And you and I know that that's not the case at all. Rare. Some of the most disciplined, focused and best people in the world. Intense people.

Because to be to be a Cameron Haynes, to be a John Dudley, you have to be a superior type of human being. Super athletes, yeah. You have to be able to execute in that extreme moment, that moment where that animal walks out into that shooting window and you're looking at this 390 bull elk and it's screaming, screaming, and jizzing all over itself. Overwhelming. And it's 40 yards away and you're centering that pin. It takes a powerful human being to execute that shot.

And I don't think most people are aware of that. Most people don't know. In the same way that that's misunderstood, I think marijuana is misunderstood. Because there's a lot of dummies in this world. If you get a group of 100 people, what are the odds that one of them is going to be a dummy? Fucking 100%. Yeah. Right?

More than one. Nowadays, more than one. Yeah. Well, if you get a group of 100 people that use marijuana, the one loud fucking stupid one defies, or defines rather, what marijuana users are. You see that fucking idiot who's

pissing all over himself and falling down so high he can't walk, that's what you think of. You don't think of the Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt that smokes pot and then goes out and strangles 50 people in class. You don't think of people that take yoga class high on marijuana. Strangling.

There should be a soul. Yeah. Listen, a lot of people – Well, I'm absorbing and respecting and considering your words. It can get away from you. Yeah. It can get away from you. That's all I've ever seen.

But everything can get away from you. That's all I've ever seen. But everything can get away from you. That's all I've ever seen. But I think it's because these people that consume it, they don't have those other qualities. They don't have discipline and focus. They don't have respect for their body. See, the thing with, especially in the jiu-jitsu community, it's super common.

Marijuana is really, really, really common. Yeah, I mean, there's a show called High Rollers, where these guys, they put together a jiu-jitsu tournament and everybody had to get high before they rolled. And you're talking like elite, world-class Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts competing high on marijuana. And that's got to be one of

the highest forms of discipline available to us. Yes, it's a very very difficult thing to do with your body. Right there with the Cameron Haynes mountain climbing, bow hunting, calling an oak into your lap. Well, you're doing an art that's designed to break bodies. And the two of you are going to do it together. And the whole idea is that you're going to get someone into a position where they have to tap.

Or they're going to get their arms snapped. Or they're going to get choked unconscious. It's an intense, extremely difficult pursuit. And a lot of people do it under the influence of marijuana. Do you know any of these master jiu-jitsu martial artists? Oh, yeah. That don't do any? Oh yeah. And how do they perform? They perform very well.

Look, there's elite world class athletes in jujitsu that don't smoke marijuana. Do you know if the world champion got high or not? Well, I know a lot of them do. But I know a lot of them do. A lot of world champions do. I know a lot of real do. You know where I'm going with this. I do, but I know a lot of them do. A lot of world champions do. I know a lot of real multiple-time world champions that are marijuana users. Yeah.

How about world champions that don't get high? There's a lot of those, too. Okay. See, what happens with marijuana is this increased sensitivity that a lot of people talk about, and they call it paranoia, because there's a lot of things that people put blinders on in their life. A lot of people aren't aware, and I'm sure because of your hunting, you're spending time in the woods, you're soaking in all the variables, the sound, the wind.

I'm a radar. You're there, right? You're aware. There's a lot of people that go through life like this. No kidding. They go through life like they're looking through a toilet paper roll. They're in the left lane right now. Yeah.

They're not using their blinkers. And those people, when they smoke marijuana smoke marijuana they freak out they get paranoid because what's happening is the marijuana increases your sensitivity makes you aware of all these variables and a lot of people consider that paranoia you start freaking out about all these variables you start thinking about your mortality and instead of embracing this time as a magical moment instead of being in this moment you just start getting overwhelmed you feel your own heartbeat and you start freaking out. I feel this all the time.

Yeah. Without anything. It's an entheogen. It brings you closer to whatever you are when you're not encumbered by your ego. I will admit, it's inescapable, that everything affects everyone differently. Yes. But once you make it widespread, I mean, I've studied the results of legalization for recreational use in Colorado and how the highway fatalities and accidents have increased.

But you know what else has increased? The population in proportion to the accidents. So it causes breeding? It causes more people there. More people are there. So you're having more accidents there. Right. The problem is there's a boom of population.

Also a boom in the economy. A boom in the real estate. The real estate's taking off. Yeah, there's a lot of losers there, too. There's a lot of hacky sack playing dirty, stinky hippies that are wandering around with no shoes on. You're going to get those. You're going to get those. You know, if you have an opening, welcome society that doesn't lock those people up, you're going to have those.

It's a part of freedom. Yeah, it sucks. Look, losers are a part of this safe world that our kids are allowed to wander through. We want the world to be safe. So sometimes things are too safe. You nerf the edges and you get a bunch of people that are used to hitting their heads on things. And they're not worried about it. You're going to have these losers.

But it doesn't mean that everybody who does it's a loser. I know a lot of CEOs of big corporations that have extreme responsibilities, and they like to smoke a little pot. I get punched back often on Facebook. I'm a successful guy. I run my family. I'm a good dad. I'm a good hunter, and I'm a Trump supporter, and I get high.

So I go, God bless you. I don't want you babysitting my kids. Well, you're high. Yeah. But it's discipline. Discipline is the thing that fucks people up and the lack of discipline. The lack of discipline. And I think that's with everything.

It could be with sex. It could be with gambling. It could be with extreme risky behaviors. People could just get real nutty and get carried away with things. And sometimes those things are just a big distraction for the lack of discipline they have in pursuing their own goals in life. I think that that is the real high in life. The real high in life is pursuing difficult things. Gratification.

Yes. Getting good at them and then accomplishing your goals. There's a high to that that's, you can't find that in pills. It doesn't exist in a needle. That high is a high of discipline and determination and focus and learning. But there's so much weakness out there, especially in a society that's been spoiled for so long. And you get a trophy if you don't even show up. And you can't hurt people's feelings and get bullied and you cry instead of fighting back. I mean, there's so many manifestations of a cultural deprivation that runs amok in our society that my fear is, and I've studied all these mass shootings. Joe, the Virginia Tech shooter, high.

Columbine, high. Yeah, but they're all on SSRIs. They're all on pills and pharmaceuticals. And almost all of them are on the Prozac. Their parents are chemical covering up a kid that shows enthusiasm. It's called attention disorder

now. I mean, if they had that back when I was growing up, I'd end up playing, I don't know, I'd end up being Aussie. But the problem is the word drugs. You and I are drinking coffee. We're on drugs right now. We're on caffeine. This is a drug. There's some drugs that, if used responsibly, are okay.

A glass of wine with dinner is a drug. Understood. It's a mild drug. A little tiny toke. Before sex with the missus, that's a little drug. And it makes you more... See, I've never smoked because I can't smoke. Even when I shoot my machine guns, all I do is chew on a Cuban.

I don't really smoke it. Well, you can get a little buzz just chewing on those suckers. I love a good Cuban, man. I do, too. It seems to go with brass rainbows when I'm exercising. Oh, it's way faster than that. Oh, sorry. My best morning with my M4, it's an M16, you know, carbine, and I got a POF upper.

It's a piston-driven, so instead of 600-plus rounds a minute, it's over 700 rounds a minute. And my best— But the 600's too low. Well, it is way too low. But they actually had—the original Thompsons were 900 rounds a minute, and nobody, including Sergeant Rock, could control that. So they backed it down to 600. But that's 45, and it's got a whole lot of lift.

My.223 M4, my best morning, and this is how Uncle Ted parties, Apache helicopter, M4, bags of ammo, 469 hogs one day. We played videos of that, you and Pig Man from Apocalypse. No fun at all. Ridiculous. That is every wildlife. That's how I get high. But the pig problem is the one that throws in the face of vegans. That's a weird one because you got to do something about those animals because they're going

to destroy your food. Sure. They're going to eat everything. Well, when we kill pigs like that in such mass numbers from helicopters with machine guns, we're literally saving the environment. Feeding a lot of people. The pork that we process, thousands and thousands of people get this pure organic pork. And it's delicious.

It's the best. The wild pork with that white fat. That candy. Dark meat. Candy. So we're saving the environment from the pig destruction. We're saving agriculture, i.e. food production from the pig destruction. We're

saving tax dollars from hiring sharpshooters. We're saving all wildlife because the alternative would have been an indiscriminate poisoning campaign. And we're creating a huge new industry of helicopter hog hunting. Win, win, win, win, win, win, win.

The industry of helicopter hog hunting is hilarious. I mean, it's party time USA. And guess who passed that law? You did? Thank you very much. Did you get that in? Me and Chris Kobach, we were hunting, and we weren't allowed to pay the helicopter pilot by law. It couldn't be a for-profit outfit unless the government paid them, which was so un-Texas-like.

So Chris Kobach, who was the Secretary of State in Kansas and was running for governor and should be governor of Kansas, he's a constitutional master, and he took the current pig-hunting law from helicopters that was government-controlled, no citizens, no commercial value whatsoever. He rewrote it. We gave it to then Attorney General Greg Abbott and Governor Perry at the time, and we said, this is insane. This can't be Texas where you get to hunt the pigs on our land, but we can't.

So literally within a week or two, they passed the law where it became a commercial outfit where we the people can hunt the pigs out of helicopters, and it's become a huge success. It's really knocked the shit out of helicopters and it's become a huge success it's really knocked the shit out of this dangerous pig population in those areas where landowners allow it and give authorization and it's so much fun it's stupid well that's what people need to realize that you there's no other way to get to them in certain circumstances there's so many accessible there are millions and millions of wild pigs they have have three, four litters a year, and there's no way to take care of them naturally.

Machine guns and helicopters. Unless you're going to let hundreds of thousands of wolves loose in Texas, I really don't see any other way. And then we'll shoot them from the helicopters, yes. I mean, that's what they do in Alaska, they decimate the caribou. They have to. There's no other way to control these pigs other than killing them. God bless you, Joe. Not many people

know that. They many people know that. They don't know that. And it's a real problem when you talk to people who are animal rights activists. Like, how do you propose to fix this? They're like, well, you know, they shouldn't be here in the first place. They're an invasive species that people brought. That's fine. You're right.

But they brought them over in the 1700s. So what do we do? So arrest Captain Cook. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Arrest William Randolph Hearst because he released a bunch of them up in Northern Cook. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Arrest William Randolph Hearst because he released a bunch of them up in Northern California. That's where it started.

The pigs that we hunted, Tahone Ranch, came from those pigs down and they worked their way down. And they're awesome. They're delicious. They're fun. Delicious. I love hunting them. The best pork in the world. People who eat normal pork have no idea what real pork tastes like.

I smoked some for a friend of mine. He's like, this is insane of mine he's like this is insane i'm like this he's like this is insane put it over a good coal wood coals yeah it's candy brined it for a few days and uh here's a little trick for you i i'm a verner's ginger ale guy detroit brew a bottled and ginger ale detroit verner's it's the only ginger ale with ginger but unfortunately it's full of fructose, so I don't drink it anymore. But you can cook with it. Next time you brine a slab of pork, put in a good olive oil and all the seasonings you like,

but also a can of Werner's ginger ale because it's got real ginger and just enough sugar in it to affect it, and soak that overnight in a glass dish covered up in a cool, like a refrigerator, and then put that sumbitch on some hot orange coals i don't care apple cherry mesquite hickory whatever you got oh doesn't matter and let that some bitch just singe on the outside it's it's food sex it's you're you get an erection your palate erection you get a culinary bon It's so delicious. That's what we eat at home. That's how we eat. That's why I'm like this. Do you ever use a pellet grill? I haven't. No, my ranch manager, Chris, has got one. I'm such a big fan of those things because it's real wood. It's just compressed wood pellets.

Like from making this table, you take that sawdust, compress it down. But I have all this timber we have at our properties. I like cutting down dead trees and making my own firewood. Is that what you do? You cook over your own? Well, there's something to that, right? Yep, yep. It's real McCoy.

Yeah, my taste buds are as sacred as my dick. I mean, I want to make sure I treat my taste buds really good. I consider my life to be like one big 6'2", 220-pound purple-rimmed dick. I'm susceptible to all influences and stimuli, and that's where I get this passion and this happiness every day. Especially, I'm spoiled rotten. I get to hunt everywhere. That's what's crazy, too. And I get to rock my balls off every year, so I'm a lucky man.

You get to hunt in your yard. You essentially leave your house. My swamp in Michigan. I have to close the door quietly because I have tree stands really close to the cabin. And the swamp, it's a miracle. It's just, I think God loves me more than he loves you because he created this place just for me. And it's a glacier-cut marsh swamp fen. You know what a fen is? No. Fen, F-E-N.

It's a very unique wetland habitat that's a cross between a marsh and a swamp and a bog. And it's the habitat that produces the Mitchell's Satter Butterfly Environment, which is the Christmas tree fern.

And on my Michigan fen, I have the healthiest productivity of the endangered species Christmas tree fern and Mitchell's satyr butterfly. According to the biologists and the botanists that visit there every year from universities, it's because I kill lots of critters that would otherwise denude those touchy wild vegetations. And that's why I hunt every day up there. I have coons and possums and skunks and beavers and mink and muskrats and pheasants up the ass. I'm the only ground in southern Michigan that has pheasants because I wage war on varmints. You cannot hurt varmint populations.

In fact, they are drastically under-harvested. But on mine, I kill so many egg-raiding varmints that I have the best biodiversity of all, including the endangered Mitchell's satyr butterfly and Christmas tree fern, because I'm a steward who actually walks the wild ground, unlike a bureaucrat who looks at the computer screen in his DNR office and makes an assumption of what the model might indicate instead of what the actual wild ground will show you if you get the fuck off your chair and go walk that sacred ground.

Well, that's a big criticism to people or from people that, especially like people in BC that are now part of that grizzly bear band. Unbelievable. So dishonest. They're getting people that live in the cities that don't have any interaction with these animals and that these animals are trouble. There's a lot of them. Yep.

They're not. And you can eat them too, by the way. Yeah, you think? Bear steaks, bear back straps, candy. Especially in the spring if they're eating berries and grass. Right. But the perception is that what you're doing is trophy hunting. That you're shooting something you don't plan on eating just to put a head on your wall because you're a cruel person.

How dishonest can you be? Well, they're not talking to the people that are in the forest. The actual people that are on the ground. And that's a real part of the problem is that these laws get passed by these people that have no interaction with this actual environment. It's like people who live in a drought voting on what's going on in your floodplain. You know, it's like the people in Detroit voting on wolves in the Upper Peninsula. If you don't live with the wolves, you don't get say-so. You need to respect the people who live with the wolves. And wolves don't buy licenses.

Wolves don't buy permits. Wolves don't pay fees. Wolves don't have bag limits. Wolves don't buy licenses wolves don't buy permits wolves don't pay fees wolves don't have bag limits wolves don't have seasons they just like to kill stuff and if you have too many wolves nobody's spending money on deer license or bear license or small game hunting and the upper peninsula of michigan has been abandoned by a bunch of politically correct ignorant city jerks who think they have to save the endangered wolf i I want wolves in Michigan, but not to the detriment of wildlife that actually pays for the game department to manage it for a sustained yield productivity. Duh.

But that's the thing we're talking about here, right? Like wildlife management. Like this idea that you have to manage the population of pigs. You also have to. Like what you're doing in your place in Michigan. You're managing this wildlife to. Have to. Like what you're doing in your place in Michigan. You're managing this wildlife to the ultimate diversity. Right.

And if you don't, you have to do that with wolves. And if you don't, you hire tax-paid sharpshooters that have no respect for the animals at all. They're just doing a job of killing stuff. Which is what they do in California with the mountain lions. Unbelievably irresponsible. And here's a challenge and a condemnation for the California Fish and Game Society.

They don't even call it Fish and Game anymore. They call it Fish and Wildlife because of that. How can you go to work every day violating your oath to wildlife science? How can you force the mountain lion and the black bear in California into the liability column as a game warden, as a person dedicated to conservation? How can you violate your wise use oath and turn the mountain lion and the black bear into a liability because some dirtbag in San Francisco think it's unfair to use hounds or bait for bear, and then you have to go in and shoot black bears with tax dollars

and bury them in a hole in the ground instead of a family recreational resource that you buy licenses and fees and permits and guides and outfitters, hotels, food, lodging, groceries, supplies, butchers, ice, taxidermists. None of that happens because some liar has forced the wildlife mismanagers of California to ban mountain lion hunting while you continue to kill them as damage control instead of manage them as quality control. Shame on the California wildlife officers. Shame on you for not blowing the whistle.

It's like Comey at the FBI. How dare you walk into that building that says J. Edgar Hoover over the top and not feel a sense of guilt because J. Edgar Hoover was one of the biggest criminal punks that ever walked this earth, and now Comey is following him in his footsteps. And I challenge my FBI buddies, how did you go all these years without blowing the whistles on the corruption, the power abuse and the criminality by your

so-called leaders? I don't know enough about the Comey thing to comment but I do know enough about what you did do. I do know because he's a liar and he's a perjurer and he's a felon and he had, I'm really angry because i work with the fbi i've had to rely on these guys to cover my back on on raids and they're great

warriors and they look the other way because they're saving their pensions instead of blowing the whistles on their corrupt criminal leaders damn them well i don't know how that relates to mountain lions i'd like to bring it all back. Corruption is corruption. Same thing. But I was saying, I don't think it's corruption here. It is. Wildlife officers that know better. I don't think they're getting this conversation.

I think there is some that they're trying to preserve their jobs. They don't want to stick their neck out with a very liberal government. But, you know, I think that there's a real problem with education, that this conversation doesn't happen in most circles. This understanding of balance of nature, that you really do have to manage. But these game wardens, they know it. They study it. They've got degrees in it.

And they defy it. And give out permits after the mountain lion has destroyed millions of dollars worth of livestock and pets and scared the shit out of people and killed people. Then they kill them. You're supposed to kill them before they do the damage. It's supposed to be quality control, not damage control. They know the system, they've abandoned it, and they've gone the political correct denial route and said that the mountain lions are not game animals.

That is a lie. So the California Game Department are liars. Period. Well, the idea that mountain lions aren't a game animal comes from people that have never eaten one. Yeah, the ultimate backstrap. Most people don't know. I've never eaten one, but I know some people that have. They're delicious.

Delicious. Beautiful. You tell that to people and they go, wait a minute, what, a cat? A bear, a lot of people don't think you eat bears. Well, of course you eat bears, you dirtbag. Who doesn't know this? Wake up. A lot of people don't know. They're idiots., of course you eat bears, you dirtbag. Who doesn't know this? Wake up! A lot of people don't know.

They're idiots. I've had conversations with people because I've hunted bears. No one has gotten more mad at me at anything I've ever done than when I killed a bear. Good. Good for you. I like that. It tastes good. If you're not pissing off the assholes, you're an asshole. But it's people that don't understand what a bear is.

They're not around bears. Then if they don't understand, I just recommend, shut the fuck up. Go do a little research and come back when you have some knowledge. Until then, suck my dick. Don't you think

that it's better to just explain to them what it is? But I did over and over again. But they weren't there. They refused. They weren't there. They refused to listen.

Yeah. They like their ignorance. They go to maniacal levels to protect their ignorance because it feels good. Because it's boo-boo. It's really a cartoon. I respect animals, so I'm going to reduce them to the level of a cartoon. Well, it's also weird, too, because there was a deprivation permit that was issued for a mountain lion in Malibu

because it got to this alpaca farm and just went fucking crazy and killed like 10 alpacas. Alpaca, yum. Yeah. Just fucked. They didn't even eat them. Just fucked them up. No, they like lions like to kill. I'm a big fan.

So a deprivation permit was issued. After they destroyed a bunch of livestock. So this lady could kill this cat that had been really hunting her farm. As if she's qualified. So she was going to hire somebody, but then she got all these death threats, which is hilarious. But here's the thing. People say they love animals. Well, you obviously don't love these alpaca.

Obviously. Because this lion's coming in and fucking killing them all the time. And by the way, they die a slow death because the lion just bites them and lets them bleed to death and flop around for a couple hours. And then goes to the one that's next to it. He's just trying to get away. The ignorance is staggering. And that's why I continue to fight it. It's convenient, right?

It's like, we love animals. We don't want you to kill this mountain lion. Okay, well, if you love animals, you'll let them kill this one mountain lion that's obviously targeting these pets. Because this is not hunting. And by the way, you know why the mountain lion is targeting the pets? Because there's too many mountain lions. And the dominant males have run all the other mountain lions out of ideal habitat into your neighborhood.

Because you didn't harvest the surplus. Now the surplus is coming into your home. Now it's a liability because you were too stupid to keep it in the asset column. It's absolutely sinful what the animal rights people have accomplished. They have a pond over at Tohon Ranch. They have a game camera, a trail camera on that pond. They've got 16 different mountain lines on that camera. And they're not allowed to do a damn thing.

And it's hard to find deer. It's hard to find deer here. It's like it's nothing. I mean, one thing is good. People aren't dying in car accidents with deer. But if you see a deer in California, it's pretty rare. Yeah, but again, there's plenty of – I fly over California. I love California, man.

My blood brothers live out here. We're having the greatest concerts of my life. Last night in San Juan Capistrano, Firestorm. Tonight, tomorrow night we're in Pasadena, and then we go to Agora Hills. Canyon Club. Yeah, and then we go to Big Bear, and then we go to Reno, and we go to

Iowa and Ohio and Pennsylvania, and we're all over the country. And I fly in a little plane over the country, and it's God's country. It's wildlife habitat eternally all over the country, and I fly in a little plane over the country, and it's God's country. It's wildlife habitat eternally all across this country. And California is one of the most beautiful wilderness states in the world. And because mountain lions have been irresponsibly mismanaged, now you have a destruction of the wildlife in the deer category in the small game and other game because their mountain lions are in the liability column if you reduce the mountain lion numbers then hunters will pay for the deer licenses which pay for the game departments and the scientists to manage the

wildlife so we have balance california is imbalanced it's out of balance because of the lie of the animal rights that have – how the wildlife officers of this country accept that bullshit is just a crime. They should stand up and go, you're wrong. This is a renewable wildlife resource, and we're going to have a season on it because now we're killing them as damage control. They're still dying. They're killing a lot of them. But then we're taking millions of dollars to compensate the llama and the alpaca and the cattle and the sheep and the goat and the horse. We're millions of dollars compensating, and then we're going to kill the lion and bury it. No, you don't get to eat it.

No, you don't get to spend any money and provide game department finances. No, you don't get to go to hotels and travel and food and lodging and supplies and sporting goods and taxidermists. You don't get to increase the economy of the entire area because of one mountain lion hunt. We're going to take your tax dollars and compensate all the dead livestock. And then we're going to hire a guy to kill the mountain lion, Joe, dig a hole, which by the way, you're going to take your tax dollars to hire a guy with a front loader. Dig a hole and bury this magnificent animal. Don't you think this is because of public perception?

It's because of the average person. You say perception. You have dogs. I have dogs. It's not perception. It's ignorance, and it's irresponsible ignorance. But this perception that does come from ignorance is that we love animals. Like, I have a dog. You have dogs. I live for love animals. Like, I have a dog.

You have dogs. I live for my dogs. Yeah, I have three dogs. We love dogs. Can't live without them. You go home. You pet them. People that don't have any interaction whatsoever with wildlife think of animals like they think of their dog.

I don't want anything to die. And then you hear about a mountain lion. Like, oh, why would you kill a mountain lion? You're being cruel. Like, you would only kill a mountain lion if you're one of those dickless assholes that wants to go to africa and shoot a lion in the head and mount it on your wall but this is the thought process behind it and there's no pushback because the public speaks and then i push back and they attack me and they attack you bring it on bring it on because ignorance bounces off me like personal hygiene from michael mo. It just has no impact whatsoever.

I think he washes. You don't think he shaves? Michael Moore, what a swine he is. That's a subhuman mongrel if I ever saw one. I met him. He was a nice guy. He's a prick. He's a liar. What do you think he's a liar about?

He's a scam artist. Is he like gun control? Well, how about the fact that he put together that so-called documentary that Hollywood actually gave him an award, and he copy and pasted out of sequence the attack on the great Charlton Heston, claiming he was somehow responsible for the little child killing herself with her paroled felon father's gun. And they put it out of sequence and attributed Charlton Heston defending such irresponsible gun ownership.

Michael Moore is a lying, cruel, stoned punk. Is he stoned? Constantly. All day? All the time. I think he uses suppositories. I don't know him. I do!

And he's a punk. Have you ever had a conversation with him? Yeah, I was on his TV show, and I was responsible for ending his TV show because he tried to fuck with me. And I don't know if you noticed, Joe, but I'm unfuckable. You fuck with me, I'll eat your family tree and shit sawdust into your face. Ask Pierce Morgan. That seems like I saw your conversation with Pierce Morgan.

Not even close. I was arm wrestling a torso. Well, Pierce Morgan, the problem is he didn't understand the facts. When you talk about gun violence, he didn't understand how much of gun violence. He avoided the facts. He knew them. He avoided them. When you talk about gun violence, he didn't understand how much of gun violence... He avoided the facts. He knew them. He avoided them. Do you think that's true?

Absolutely. Well, explain what we're talking about because when you say the numbers of gun violence, a giant percentage of them are suicide. A giant percentage of them are cops killing bad guys. And citizens defending their families. So all of those are out of the... And then accidental gun deaths.

Well, may I summarize it for you? So Pierce Morgan fancies himself a cocky, rather witty limey. He's got the accent and everything. That's funny. Not actually an accent. It's an impediment. But he came on, and of course, he's going to take on the Motor City Mad Men. I mean, this guy's going to be easy pickings.

He actually wrote Wango Tango. I'll be all intellectually. What is this thing you're doing? tango i'll be i'll intellectually this thing you're doing that's that limey god manufactured confidence based on nothing except an ego that has no foundation in fact so pierce morgan the cnn exec so let's put pierce morgan on the motor city madman this will be easy put it in a gun store too well the first time you didn't see the first one at the cnn offices that's yeah i've seen both of them yeah that's the best one yeah um and so they think i'm a dirtbag and a goofball because i not only wrote wang dang sweet poontang i meant it um but when they take me on they don't realize i never went to college because i was too busy

learning shit and if you take me on, on any subject that I am even slightly aware of, I will fuck you up because I've studied this stuff. I've lived this stuff. I've been with guns since I could walk. I have had universal, unlimited access to firepower my whole life, both in a recreational, a disciplined, a law enforcement, military training, and just family plinking competition. So in every considerable, imaginable gun use, I've been 68 years of it. So they sicked Pierce Morgan on me to teach me a lesson about how irresponsible

gun owners are and that if we could just ban guns that all the violence would end. And of course if you haven't seen it you've got to Google it. What's his take? Well I almost fixed him. Because I so overwhelmed

him with evidence that they finally researched and realized that every word out of my mouth was absolutely indisputable what was most compelling that you were saying to him i'll i'll summarize it as this way like i did to pierce the anti-gunners have their dream it exists it existed in paris where all those people were shot with Kalashnikovs. Kalashnikovs were banned. They have their dream. Piers Morgan's dream exists. It's called a gun-free zone. Virginia Tech, Columbine, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Parkland.

Every instance where the most innocent lives have been slaughtered have been in Nancy Pelosi pelosi maxine waters eric holder hillary clinton barack obama's dream their dream is a gun free zone but where free people are forced forced into unarmed helplessness where the most innocent lives are lost. And that dream has produced more carnage and destroyed lives than anything in the world compared to the NRA convention where you have the highest innocence of gun ownership or opening day of deer season in Michigan where you have 100% gun ownership and access where nobody gets hurt. So if you know that your dream is a gun-free zone and that's where the most innocent lives are lost,

what kind of demonic dirtbag would actually want more? Well, let me stop. Gun-free zone. Let me stop. I'll take his position or anybody's position on the other side. You would say the real gun-free zone would be no one having access to the gun that killed those people in the gun-free zone. So it's not a gun-free zone. And the real answer to drownings in America would be to ban water. Ban pools.

You work on banning water. I'll work on banning guns. And we'll touch base every few weeks and see how we do. You cannot ban. You cannot eliminate guns, Finland. You cannot eliminate guns, Alberta, Canada, where the guy came into the university and shot everybody up. It's impossible. So what you do instead of thinking you could ban water, learn to swim and watch your children by the pool.

Call me weird, but the way to handle violence is to carry a gun, practice with it. And when someone brings lethal force against you, shoot the motherfucker. But people are very uncomfortable with the idea of an incredibly armed society. Poor, uncomfortable baby. Sorry you're uncomfortable. Then go ahead and bend over and die. But you know what I'm saying? What the fuck?

I know what you're saying, but wouldn't it be better if there weren't any concern? The idea is to somehow or another take away the concern of people being shot randomly by some psycho. That you've got to figure out if you get all the guns away. How do you get all the guns away? I don't know. I don't know. But this is what I'm saying. But you don't know.

So let's just stop there and not try. If it's not that, then everybody's got guns to shoot the guy who's got guns. No, but everybody will not have guns. Some people have guns. Some people. Here, I studied San Bernardino. I studied Aurora. I studied Virginia Tech. I studied Columbine. I studied Sandy Hook. I studied them all. Do you know, Joe, and everybody better write this down, because I'm the only guy that will tell you this. I've studied the cadence, the bullet manufacturers, the rate of fire, the movement of the perp, and the movement of the victims.

perp and the movement of the victims. In every instance, including in Connecticut, including Aurora, including San Bernardino right here, there were American citizens who would have had a gun on their person if they were allowed to, and they could have been a meaningful force to at least reduce, if not terminate, the violent, murderous threat. But by law, we have been so dumbed down and so forced against our natural survival instinct to have a tool on our belt that in every instance where the most innocent lives were slaughtered, those people that would have intervened with a firearm, not many of them, but there was a janitor, there was a couple of guys in the office, they had concealed weapons permits, but they weren't allowed to have them in that building.

In Virginia Tech, there were guys that had concealed weapons permits, but they weren't allowed to have them there. In Aurora, Colorado, are you kidding me? All kinds of people would have had guns. They could have returned fire, but they were forced into unarmed helplessness. Here's the gun debate in its irrefutable conclusion. If you are forced into unarmed helplessness, you are unarmed and helpless. What a horrible, irresponsible, suicidal condition that is. I'm just a guitar player, Joe.

I've never been unarmed since I graduated from high school. I've always had a hanky and a pocket full of guitar picks and a pocket knife and a belt knife and a belt tool and a pistol and some extra bullets. I just have them everywhere I go. I've never been unarmed. I find it. How do you travel around? I improvise, adapt, and overcome. Luckily, I helped pass House Resolution 218, which means all sworn law enforcement officers

are allowed to carry a gun nationwide. I've been a sheriff deputy since 1984, and my credentials allow me to carry a gun everywhere I go, and I carry a gun everywhere I go. In fact, even in England, American law enforcement are allowed to carry guns, and I carry a gun over there. It's just a tool. If somebody comes at me- You carry a gun in England? Yeah. If some dirtbag comes at me with a spike in the board, I just just shoot him. But why not? What's plan B? No, I agree that it's better to be armed. Yes, always. It's better to have it and not to need it than to need it and not to have it.

Bingo. The thing that we would all like to have is no school shootings, no mass shootings, no Aurora, no Columbine. So how do you stop that? Do you think you stop that with more guns? Or do you think you stop that with mental health education, figuring out how to get people off of pills, figuring out how to keep people from living despondent lives where they want to just tear it all down and shoot everybody and hurt a bunch of people? That's the route, right?

Sure. Here we are at 2018. So we can't go back in history and find the goofball from Virginia Tech and what motivated him or the Aurora. We can't go back there because we have failed as a society to take care of people or respond with any sense of responsibility or effectiveness to the glaring danger signs, most outrageously in Parkland, where the guy called called cops 42 times called the fbi three times the guy's gonna shoot up the school okay we'll make a note of that no the guy's going to

shoot up the school okay we'll make a note of that the guy is bringing a gun to school to shoot people here is his manifesto uh we've made a note of that. What? Are you kidding me? It's very difficult for them to do something until someone does something. No, it's not. Isn't it? No? No, it's not. So you think it's a failure of law enforcement?

What's the matter? It was just a shooting like two hours ago. Oh, Jesus Christ. Another one? Five people are dead and multiple people are shot. Where? Annapolis, Maryland. Oh, Maryland, where no one's allowed to have a gun, by the way. Got locked into a newsroom and shot a bunch of reporters.

Jesus Christ. How much you want to bet it was a gun-free zone? Annapolis newsroom, shooting leaves five people dead, suspect in custody. A newsroom. Yeah. Well, what do you think? There's my point. So I'm in a newsroom, and I'm ready to rock.

I'd rather be sitting where you are, but I figure you got me covered. My point is that the cat is already out of the bag. Right. It's not too late. Columbine guys glaring signals, red alarms going off over. Virginia Tech guy, red alarms going off for years. Well, the Columbine thing is a difficult one because it really hadn't happened before that. No one expected it. But the parents walked

through the garage for three years where the bomb-making materials were on the table. Yeah, they weren't the best parents in the world. And these guys were like zombies. These guys were like doper freaks from Banzai Zululand maniacs.

Well, he's just different. No, he's not. He's freaky. We need to sit down with this guy and get him some help. The Aurora guy told his psychiatrist, my goal is to shoot as many people as possible, and the psychiatrist didn't say anything. Really?

It's on record. He said in numerous visits with his psychiatrist that he had threatened his goal in life was to kill as many people as possible, and he's now got his new AR-15 to do it with, and the psychiatrist didn't say anything. I've studied this stuff. We need to not only see something, say something. We're missing the part. The final part, do something. When this kind of aberrant, threatening, violent, red alarm behavior is going off, intervene.

Sit down with this kid at the first instance. When your kid comes home all glassy-eyed and goofy and incommunicable and showing weird signs like the Sandy Hook guy did all his life and the Aurora guy did all his life and the Parkland guy zombie, you know, staring like a blink in a sandstorm. Somebody's got, I know I would. I mean, in my life, whether it's musicians or family members, I go, are you all right? What is going on?

You look like you're going to shit yourself, man. Are you okay? What are you doing? But even if you have that conversation with somebody like the psychiatrist did to the Aurora shooter, I mean, how do you fix these people? I mean, what you're saying is if you have no gun-free zones and people are allowed to have guns, at least they'll have an ability to defend themselves.

I agree with you. I agree with you on that. But how do you stop it from happening in the first place? The anti-gun people say the way to stop it is to have no guns available to civilians that can do things like this. Virtually impossible. A virtual impossible.

So what we're dealing with is just pragmatically when you look at 300 million people and probably 400 million guns. Well, you haven't counted mine yet. I mean, how many guns? Yeah, well, for every guy like you that has hundreds of guns, you know. I have almost

everybody I know has hundreds of guns. He doesn't like them, man. I got hundreds of arrows. I have four. I have dozens of guitars. We need to be a more assertive, aggressive, compassionate, aware society. And when we see these glaring indicators, we're never going to stop at all. There's always going to be evil in our lives. And you can't stop it.

Hence, you should be armed and prepared. And if you're not comfortably being armed, by all means, don't be. If you don't want to, like I saw the debate, Bill Maher saying, well, you can't expect every teacher to have a gun. I go, who's ever recommended that? That's what the anti-gun people always go. Well, I suppose everybody should have a machine gun, just shoot at everything. Yeah, that's a pretty good, that quote for quote what I recommended.

I mean, they go to the deep end every time. Well, they're trying to make fun of the proposition that people should be armed to protect themselves against killers. There are people I know everywhere. Teachers, grocery store baggers. You name a walk of life. My welding buddy, my mechanic, my dentist, my doctor. Your doctor strapped? Yes.

I mean, they're pragmatists. They're utilitarian. They're self-sufficient. When did that become undesirable to be self-sufficient and capable? I don't think that's the problem. I think what we're saying is that we have such a gun problem. There's so many people and so many guns that people just want to somehow or another diminish the numbers. Joe, we do not have a gun problem.

When I was growing up, we had guns in school. During the season, rifles, shotguns were brought and put in your lockers. There was unlimited, ubiquitous access to firepower throughout my youth. No school shootings. Something else has happened, and it has a lot to do with Big Farm and the irresponsible, knee-jerk bandage on a gaping wound of a child showing uppity, childlike behavior. And all of a sudden they Prozac them and they riddle in them.

This stuff turns you into a zombie. My dear, dear blood brother, Cliff Davies, the greatest drummer on the planet. Listen to what he did on the Ted Nugent album and the Cat Scratch Fever album, and the Free For All album, and the Weekend War. I mean, this guy was a god of musicality. He became depressed and was prescribed. And the incidence of people being prescribed mood controllers and emotion controllers and depression controllers, the incidence and the consistency with which they attempt to go cold turkey and kill themselves. Your brain becomes changed.

It becomes altered. Your logic meter is off-duty with this pharmaceuticals in your system. Cliff came home, decided to get off the Prozac, walked out into the yard screaming, throwing his clothes out the window, and shot himself in the head. And Aurora guy, they're all on something. It's true.

And mothers and fathers out there, discipline is the answer, not pharmaceuticals. Conversation is the answer. Probing, parenting is the answer. Like I said, when I was growing up, we had a cuckoo's nest. We had Eloise, and people showed and an antisocial behavior, you intervened and you put them in an institution. And even that was a mistake because it was always a chemical response instead of a compassionate response, a loving response. Well, some people need a chemical response, right? Some people do.

Some people are fucked in the head. Yes, you do. You have to do something. Absolutely. And then there's the argument that there's a lot of people that take these pharmaceuticals and they have no violent outbursts which i agree with too but the people that do have violent outbursts are almost universally on something universe yeah yeah if you look at the numbers and i've said this many times that i don't think we have a gun problem i think we have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.

Absolutely. Because whether it's someone driving a truck into a crowd of people, that's the same thing. Do you think after 42 calls to the sheriff's department threatening to shoot the school and three to the FBI, do you think the Parkland shooter should have been visited a little earlier than after 42 and three calls of threatening to shoot up the school? Do you think the authorities should have the right to go visit this kid, meet with this parent, and get the guns out of there? Don't you think when you say, I am going to shoot up the school, in my world, that would be good enough to disqualify that person from owning a gun?

I agree with you. I don't know what the circumstances were with the Parkland kid. I do. I know that the FBI did visit him on one occasion, right? That's not good enough. I don't know what they... It's not like he was, you know, peeing on the Alamo and just being a dirtbag. He was threatening to kill as many people as possible. That, to me, is enough information to disarm the guy and probably institutionalize him or even take him in for review to a psychiatric ward at that point, you can't say, I'm going to kill people.

You can't say that. But are you comfortable with a world where there's so much gun violence that everybody just has to be strapped? Or is there a way? The last thing, I've said it a hundred times. I'm going to say it again on the Joe Rogan podcast. Write it down. I do not want everyone to carry a gun.

I do not want everyone to own a gun. I don't want everyone to hunt. I don't want everyone to have an 850 horsepower Ford Bronco. I don't want everyone to go on the Joe Rogan podcast. There is a time and place for individuality and individual choices, and many people will always be uncomfortable, you know, taking a hook out of a fish's lip. So don't go fishing. And if you don't feel comfortable around guns, by all means, just don't have one. But those of us that have a hint of warrior instinct and rugged Boy Scout being prepared desire, don't disarm us.

We're your best friend. And they're everywhere. Those teachers in all these school shootings, there were teachers that would have had a gun, but they were forbidden to. And there are instances, and this is something that people that are anti-gun don't like to talk about, but there are instances where trained shooters have stopped mass shootings and have stopped someone killing people. They've happened more than once. And let me comment on the training. As long as they get training, let's squash that myth.

Big old fat Jewish lady in New York City back in the 60s. She was robbed at gunpoint and knife point over and over again. Remember when they had like 2,000 murders a year in Manhattan? Yeah. It's just runaway mayhem. She was getting upset. She wanted to get a pistol. She went to the police station.

I need to get a permit. Well, I'm sorry. We don't give permits for guns. But I've been robbed all these times. I'm scared. He comes back all the time. A gun points gun wants my money. I'm scared. He comes back all the time. Points gun wants my money. I'm sorry. You can't have a gun. So she was frustrated. This was a documented case.

And so she went to Uncle Joe. Uncle Joe, I'm scared. I need a gun. This guy keeps, he's going to kill me. So Uncle Joe got her a revolver. She, I don't like it. Just put it under the car. I don't like that. I'm scared of that. I don't like it. Just put it under the cot. I don't like that. I'm scared of that. I don't like guns. Never fired it in her life. No training. Had no idea.

But she knew which end the bullet came out of. Next time she was robbed, she shot the son of a bitch. She knew what to do. She knew what was the trigger. No training. She won. Shot the guy that was threatening her life. Now, they put her in jail initially.

It's like, you know, Bernie Getz threatening her life. Now, they put her in jail initially. It's like, you know, Bernie gets defending his life. But eventually the charges were dropped because it was clear and present she was defending herself from an engineered recidivistic. Write that down. Engineered recidivistic. The system in knowingly and intentionally lets out knifers and stabbers and rapists and murderers and child molesters. They keep letting them out. Those are the people, 96% of the time, that commit the violent crimes. But when you say engineered,

do you think they do that because of prison overpopulation or lack of funds? Or do you think they do it because they want society to be dangerous? I can't imagine the motivation. I can't imagine. Don't you think it's just incompetence? And just bureaucratic? Absolutely.

Incompetence. And a diffusion of responsibility for the individuals. Yep. Bureaucratic, institutionalized irresponsibility. Yeah. And corruption and abuse of power. They don't want to deal with it. And a lack of resources.

Yeah. Cut him a deal. He only shot three people. Let's get him on jaywalking. Okay. Cut him a deal. He only shot three people. Let's get him on jaywalking. Okay. Cut him a deal. He only serves six years of his life sentence for killing those people. I mean, it happens all the time.

And that guy's on the street and he kills somebody. He goes, I can't believe it. He had a arrest record going back to his youth and it was 100 pages long. I can't believe you let him out. Well, we let him out. We knew he killed people. In fact, he stabbed two people, but he missed the artery. So we're going to let him out and see if he can study anatomy enough and get a good stab next time.

Our court systems are a joke. Our prison system is a joke. I mean, if somebody stabs somebody, do you want him on the street with you? If he stabs somebody, you are killing that person. You're just shitty at it. If you shoot at somebody and you miss, that's murder. You're just shitty at it. If you shoot at somebody and you miss, that's murder. You're just bad at it. If you're willing to throw a bullet at a human being, I want him in a cage forever, or better yet, dead right there and then. If he's capable of taking an innocent

life, I want him out of the gene pool. I don't believe in, how did I put it in that one interview? how did I put it in that one interview? I don't believe in repeat crime, repeat criminals. I believe in dead criminals. If someone threatens innocent life, get them out of here. I really believe that. And you know who the best person to make that decision is? The person about to get stabbed.

The lady about to get raped. The guy about to get shot at. This all makes sense. I mean, I feel what you're saying. I think the real problem is why does it happen in the first place? Because we're a society that doesn't respond to alarming signals in the hope of not hurting feelings instead of saving lives. It's a liberal mantra of feel good in action versus tough choices and harsh choices that will actually save lives. Don't you think it's also a lack of resources, too, and a lack of, I mean, these people that are interviewing these psychos before they snap are not really psychologists.

Based on my tax bill, I think they have the resources. It's just mismanaged and wasted. By the way, while we're doing this, can I hit the bathroom real quick here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Before I squirm right out of here. Go ahead. You know where it is.

We'll be right back. And I came in here. We'll stay here. Yeah. Amazing. You're walking fantastic on those robot knees, man. I'm about to give birth. It's crazy.

It's amazing how few people can hold their piss. Sometimes it comes. Yeah. He's got two waters down. Yeah, he slammed two waters. This shooting happening while he's on is so appropriate. I mean, it's so crazy that this is the time.

So this is a newsroom? Do they have a motivation for this guy? No motivation. He's being interrogated right now, is what I just read. It's amazing that these guys, they get captured, but they don't get killed. Like the Parkland kid and a lot of these people. How are they not killing these people when it's happening?

Supposedly a white guy in his 20s. Is it some fake news thing? I mean, he shot reporters, you know? Until the interrogation comes out, I feel like it's not fair to say, but there are people pointing at things that have been in the news recently. Oh, fuck. It's just so much. I mean, I hear what Ted's saying, that you should be able to defend yourself.

And I agree. Like, if you were in a grocery store somewhere and some guy came in shooting and you had a gun, I would want you to be able to and you had a gun, I would want you to be able to defend yourself. You know, I want you to be alive. I agree with you. I get that. But that's, is that the only way? I mean, or is it just what we have to do right now? I mean, I don't know what anybody on the other side wants other than taking away everyone's guns. But if you take away everyone's guns, how are you possibly going to do an audit of 300 million guns in this country? How are you going to find all the illegal ones?

How are you going to find all the stored ones? And then there's that old cliche, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I mean, it's almost like the same thing we're talking about in terms of legalizing and illegal drugs. When drugs are legal, they can be taxed and you can make sense of the situation you can have treatment centers the stigma of uh you know the the appeal of them of doing something you're not supposed to do is no longer there and then you're not funding

these illegal organizations organizations like you know the cartels in mexico or back when it was organized crime in America for alcohol when the prohibition was going on. I don't think that you're going to be able to take away all these guns. But I don't know what the argument, I would like to talk to somebody who has an argument that you could do it. Because I know they did it in Australia, but Australia is so small. And by the way, you can get guns in Australia. People use guns there for hunting all the time. So guns are available and occasionally they do have gun violence. But they had like one mass shooting in the 1990s in Australia and they just banned all the guns. But Australians are, they're a different culture too.

Like this fucking culture is gun happy from all of our movies and television shows. And the solution is always like bang, bang, bang. Like shooting people is a part of the solution. You know, I don't know. I don't know, man. I just, no one has an answer. No one on that side. No one on this side.

Every answer has holes in it. You're laughing. What happened? Nothing like a good piss, I always say. God, I love that. I always say, too. You know, this conversation about guns, you know,

and I don't see an answer. I really don't. I don't see an answer. Ultimately, we want... I'm all for responsible gun ownership. I have guns. I've hunted with guns. I believe in gun ownership. But how do you stop gun violence? And I don't know what the answer is.

And I think this is ultimately what everybody is trying to find. We were talking about when you were gone, the Australians, where they banned guns because of one mass shooting, and they've never had a mass shooting since. Yeah, but their gun crime continues to go up and down based on other social factors. And there's not many of them. There's only 20 million people in their entire country. You know, I would like to address probably the glaring beast in the room of America. You're 50-something, right? 50.

50. 51 in August. I'll be 70, and I've had a pretty good radar. I've got a pretty good absorption factor of information, evidence, experiences, ideas, opinions, activities. That would allow Americans, so many of us, to become so evil that we want to hurt each other and kill each other. And kill children. And rob and molest. They want to make the biggest impact. They want to hurt the most evil on the planet, the Japanese slaughterers and the Nazi devils, that it was our constitution and our individual rights that motivated these guys to fight harder.

And, you know, as a martial artist, you have to see beyond the contest, and it's almost like you don't make your hit where you want to hit. You want your hit to go past where you want to hit. We were a united nation in 1946, 1947, and certainly right, 48 when I was born. And Detroit was the work ethic productivity epicenter of planet Earth, universally known. We were the war machine that built the tanks and the bombers and the planes and pride of ownership. And you got up early and you busted your ass to be the best that you can be. And you kept your yard good and you kept your house clean and you earned your own way. And it was an embarrassment not to earn your own

way. And you saved for a rainy day and you lived within your means and you disciplined yourself. My upbringing was, it wasn't poverty. I was never in need, but you couldn't drink a whole Coke. You couldn't buy something because you wanted it. You needed some socks. You probably got them for Christmas. And if I wanted an arrow, I had to, you know, go to pick up garbage and try to sell golf balls back and get deposits on bottles and cans and cut lawns. Yeah, there was the rugged individualism, the self-sufficiency, the neighborliness, the giving and caring. And, you know, it did take a village.

It started with family, but you cared about your neighbors and you watched over each other. village. It started with family, but you cared about your neighbors and you watched over each other. And then I saw, and with all due respect, when the beatniks and the dope and then the hippies and the disconnect and a carelessness erupted and a meanness, I started seeing more meanness and anger and disconnect. And then after whether it was the New Deal or the Great Society, which kind of incentivized not being the best that you can be, and you can actually stay home and get a check. And the unions would negotiate not on quality automobiles, but money that may or may not be there, but we'll get you some more money and you can make Chryslers that won't even start. You can't even drive them. They're such a pile of shit. epicenter of goodwill and decency and work ethic to liberal Democrats

scamming people and bribing people for votes by getting you something you didn't earn. And then all of a sudden, the city burnt down, and there were couches in the street and refrigerators on the lawns, and it just turned into a lump of shit. And it breaks my heart. I go downtown Detroit now, and building the beautiful architecture is still boarded up from the 67 riots. I took my kids down for the 42nd anniversary of the Yamboy Dukes, and I wanted to show them this beautiful city I was raised in, and what happened to it. And almost for dramatic effect, almost like Cecil B. DeMille was directing a scene for me to emphasize how deteriorated Detroit got. Here's this guy in the sidewalk with his pants down taking a dump in the middle of the afternoon.

And I go, wow, I didn't actually hire that guy. That's really what's happened here. I didn't actually hire that guy. That's really what's happened here. So if you allow your society to crumble before your eyes without intervening and go, hey, you can't do that. Hey, you can't do that. And I've done it with my musicians all my life. You go, God damn it, we were really rocking last week, and now you're all stoned and can't even wake you up. But don't you think that when you're talking about 1946, the United States, we were all against the Nazis and the Japanese. We were united in the fact that our lives were threatened.

The world's future was threatened. And people felt like they had a purpose. Purpose. Do you remember, I was in New York right after September 11th. And something happened. A friend of mine fainted. And we had to call the fire department. EMT showed up. The respect and the happiness that people had when they saw the first responders.

And I was like, this is fascinating because I lived in New York before. It was a high point because people had felt what it was like to be attacked to be at war i mean that was what the attack on the trade center or the the twin towers was we were at war and they felt this and they felt united because of it and when these people showed up to help they they were excited to see them they were like heroes they treated them like real heroes and i was like this is a different feeling than anything i've had before and i had I had to imagine that this was probably what it was like in the United States in the 40s I think you're right in the middle of the war I think you're right when people were you know united working together to make sure there was enough scrap metal and enough rubber and they were carpooling

so they have enough raw materials to keep entwining rubber bands for the war yeah people felt sacrificing for the benefit of their war cause. People felt like. Sacrificing for the benefit of their society. Yeah. And they felt like there was something real going on. Whereas when there's no threat and no worries, I think people get lost. I think especially people with no discipline. Not everybody, of course, but some.

There's a tendency to get lost. Then there's a tendency for people to take advantage of those people that are lost and say, it's not your fault. It's the government's fault. And the government needs to pay you. And the government needs to help out. So wrong. But there's this very strange tendency that people have. And also, if I may exalt, here I am with Joe Rogan.

We never met. I didn't know much about him. Everybody was bombarding me saying, you've got to go on Joe Rogan. He's a guy who's reasonable, sensible, smart, and funny, and he's promoting hunting now. And I go, well, motherfucker sounds like my boy. Let's go do this. You have to admit, with intelligent, conscientious, well-formulated prioritization, 2018, we can go on and on about the the problems in the world do you know that i'm the happiest

motherfucker with the greatest band the greatest crew the greatest family love my tv show and new york times bestsellers and successful to some degree and the things i pursue in my passions and i'm doing your show We're talking about important issues. And I have danger zone people that come backstage, and we raise money for charities every night. Do you know, Joe, that I can't find a dirt bag in your circles? I don't know. Well, but it's a pretty big circle. But you're a pretty big circle.

Yeah, and I walk down the streets here. I go to Starbucks and get a coffee. Hey, Uncle Ted. They pay for it for me. And love, Spirit of the Wild. Thanks for standing up for our freedoms god bless you i i can't find a dirt bag i'm sure i could but here's a salute on a joe rogan podcast to all those people out there that do intelligently and responsibly prioritize and they bust their ass because they're out there. There's monster armies of working hard, playing hard shit kickers

who sacrifice and take risk and try to start a new business and fall down in the arena and stand up and brush themselves off and get back at it. Those are the people that I want to talk to right now because they're the best of the best. Back at it. Those are the people that I want to talk to right now because they're the best of the best. Don't back off friction.

Don't back off discomforting encounters, whether it's your kid, because I've got buddies. Kids die to fentanyl. Great families. That fentanyl shit is fucking horrible. Oh, my God, I'll cry for you. And you take them in your arms and they didn't do anything wrong and they're burying their fucking kid did you confront him are you telling me you didn't see this man here's my alert to people listening to the uncle ted and uncle Uncle Joe boogie. Look harder. Be more assertive.

If something doesn't look perfect, look into it. And if there's needy people, instead of giving them money, because they're going to probably buy drugs or alcohol, and they're probably going to die. If you make a donation to most homeless people, you're helping kill them. You're not going to buy good shit with it. And badger your elected employees. We need to have mental health facilities.

What are you wasting money on? You don't need to find out the sex life of a turtle. You need to take those billions of grant money that you're blowing right now for some jack off. And you need we need to address the mental health homeless, truly needy, not the greedy, not the scammers who are able bodied, they just like to stay home. The people who have mental issues and physical issues, and that the Donald Trump has finally got a point in time where you can fire a veteran administration scam artist punk who doesn't care about the vets, doesn't show up for work, and absconds on revenues that could have got a couple wheelchairs for a legless Marine. Now we can fire the bastards. So there is upgrade happening. But those that do know and do care, know more, care more, and demand answers, whether it's your family member. How come you didn't show up at the family event? What are

you doing? Are you high? Are you using? What are you doing? I think if we start family, neighbors, and don't be afraid to tell your neighbor, I saw your son the other day who's passed out at the curb. I don't think we intervene like we did back when I was growing up. Nobody would have tolerated that shit when I was growing up. They would have sounded the alarm. And I don't think there's enough of that. Neighborliness, I don't think there's enough of that neighborliness, not being afraid to hurt feelings. Well, it's none of your business. Well, you know, it is my business because you're my neighbor and the guy just shit in my lawn. I mean, I don't think we're aggressive enough.

I come from a world of aggression, not not being a prick about it, but asking questions. At some point, you might have to shrug your shoulders and go, well, he doesn't want any help. There's nothing I can do. But I tried. Well, you like conflict. You do. I don't like it, but I like to eradicate it. I like to intervene to reduce conflict. You know that the way you express yourself is entertaining, but it's also polarizing.

Like a lot of the things you say, you know, and you invite this sort of. Not intentionally. I think by being a pragmatist, you're going to invite conflict because some people don't like to hear this shit. Yeah. Some people don't like to hear this shit, but the style in which you talk, like even when you're debating Piers Morgan, you're very powerful with the way you describe things. And you get people that want to argue back with you. things and you get people that want to argue back with you. It's time for that because I think the gentleman's approach, Mitt Romney and John McCain, you didn't represent nothing. The reason Donald Trump won is because finally the shit kickers who work rough and tumble,

those construction guys outside the Four Seasons, I stand at the Four Seasons, how cool is that? They're busting their ass. They're getting up early and they're working hard and they go throw back a few beers and have a little barbecue at night. These are the guys I'm talking about and talking to.

And they're the ones who voted for Donald Trump finally because he came out, he wasn't afraid. He sounded like a shit kicker. Well, he sounded like them. Sounded like us. Yeah.

There was a real problem that we have in this country with people that are career politicians and he was really the first that's the problem yeah career politicians is the problem yeah status quo that's you know donald trump isn't perfect i like imperfect imperfect is cool you and me are good examples but he came in swinging a crowbar to this horrible status quo that can best be described as, well, he's not presidential. You're goddamn right he's not presidential, because all these presidential guys got us into this mess, because they were so cautious, and they didn't want to ruffle any feathers. We want to have a big tent, including all the bad guys and people that don't

believe in secure borders. What's that? And people that don't believe in earning your own way. What's that? People that don't know the difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. What's that? So the shit kickers finally saw somebody busting the status quo. You're damn right he's not presidential because presidential got us into this train wreck and we're done with it. So the Republicans better be paying attention because if you're status quo-y, we're not voting for you. If you come in swinging, you don't have to be rude, you don't have to be screaming, you don't have to be condemning, but you have to be honest and forthright and sound like somebody.

You'd have a beer with it, a barbecue. And if you sound like a shit-kicker and one of us working hard playing on Americans and you address our concerns, we'll vote for you. If you don't, we're going to stay in our tree stand in November, which is what happened traditionally. That's why Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, with 800,000 hunters, won it for Trump, because we are a hunter's nation. And those families were a huge voting bloc. They'd never felt like they had skin in the game. Finally, somebody had skin in the game including my teamster buddies my union

buddies instead of just like puppets pulling that d lever they went the democrats have been lying to me the democrats have been scamming me i'm voting for trump he's a status quo wrecker yowza when you say like lying and scamming what what do you what are your examples like what do you mean good grief but like what what gets to you like What is the thing that when you think of Democrats and you think of lying and scamming, what do you think of? You don't need to read this. You need to sign it to find out what's in it. Nancy Pelosi on the House floor with this huge voluminous health care bill actually said you don't need to read it. You need to sign it to find out what's in it.

Whoa! You don't remember that? No, I don pretty ridiculous yeah she said it and then watch her try to form a sentence watch maxine water desperately search for a syllable listen to the words out of their mouths well did you see what she did freaks did you see this thing that she was calling out for people did you see anyone in the administration having dinner? Including Ted Nugent. Yeah. Bring it on, assholes. To disrupt and cause a crowd and tell them that you're not welcome. That's an insanely irresponsible thing to say. That's treacherous. Every one of my promoters have death threats because they dare to hire me. Every one of my bandmates and my crewmates, some guys that are building this wonderful bell amplifier.

They just showed a picture on their website with me testing their new amplifier, and people attacked him and threatened to kill him because they're working with the coward animal murderer. They're the gun nut. I'm a gun nut. I'm also a screwdriver nut, too. But that's what I'm saying about you being this polarizing figure, the people that aren't thinking deeply into it or listening to everything you say but you can't address thing

how how else can you address it because no that's why i'm asking well i'm telling you you know joe the guys have tried to sound very polite and uh very non-confrontational got us into this mess if you don't believe america needs secure, you're the enemy of America. You need secure. Who doesn't know you need secure borders? Nancy Pelosi doesn't. Hillary Clinton didn't. Loretta Lynch didn't. I mean, come on. These people are freaks. America first pisses off Democrats. How can that be? If it's not America first, then who is it? As you're denying opportunity to people that live in an impoverished third world country that's connected to us. No, no, no.

They think of it as racism. All my ancestors came through Ellis Island. As did mine. And denounced their allegiance to where they came from. You can still cook Swedish and you can still cook German. But you've got to denounce allegiance to where you come from because you're coming here. You have to pledge allegiance to the United States. It's fucking hard for someone to come over from Mexico.

And don't you think that the real problem is that Mexico sucks or that parts of Mexico suck? Overall, yeah. To figure out a way to help those people, really the only way would be to make Mexico so healthy and a great place to live that it's just like the United States. There's no reason to come over here. And certainly we have tried. Our policies have been very generous to those countries. In fact, we're the only country that has been generous to them.

But the corruption, the entire Mexican Guatemalan, all those governments are as criminal as Al Capone in Chicago in 32. They're so infested by the cartels. Law enforcement is the cartel. The military is the cartel. So the bottom line is we have the right to secure. This is not my opinion. We in America have the right and the responsibility to secure our borders. If you think otherwise, you're dangerous. I want people who need a better quality of life. I welcome them. I've got buddies that came like that. like that. My sound man, Frank, went through the seven-year process from Germany, and now he's a legal citizen in America. Why should someone be able to swim across the Rio Grande and circumvent

all that process so we know whether you're going to be an asset or a liability? It's not rocket science. It's liability or asset. We want assets, and that's why our immigration system is horrific, even the legal one. So I know it's a problem, but we're putting all these resources and man hours into securing the poorest border instead of processing those who legitimately would like a better quality of life in America. But first, we have to differentiate between the protesters who think that we need to turn over California and Arizona and Texas back to Mexico so it can turn into a shithole. Of course they left Mexico. They know it's horrible. That's why they're here. Why would you come here to get away from a shithole and then turn the place you came to into the shithole?

We have a constitution. We have a bill of rights. You need to earn your own way. You need to work very hard. If you're in the asset column, I love you. If you're in the liability column, I love you if you're having hard times. But if you have squatted intentionally as an able-bodied individual in that liability column, you are a detriment to America, and you should get the fuck out of here. That's when you look at it in perspective, the people that are able-bodied Americans that don't do jack shit, and some poor bastard is trying to do anything they can to get here from Mexico

to the point where they're literally dying of dehydration making their way through the desert. Yeah, and they would bust their ass if given that opportunity. It's not fair. It's not easy. It's never going to be easy. It's complicated. But it is doable. But our priorities as a government are so clustered,

they're so disprioritized that all this effort's going towards, you know, securing the Rio Grande when people are illegally swimming across and jeopardizing their very life and limb, when just down a couple miles there's a legal entrance and it might be a pain in the ass. But you're here with me today, June 28, 2018. Have you not put up with major pains in the ass as a martial artist, as a comedian? That's a tough life. You got your world carved out because you put up with a pain in the ass.

You improvise, adapt, and overcome. It makes you happier at night. They need to do that. Yeah, but I was also very fortunate. I was born in America. I didn't grow up in an impoverished, crime-ridden community. Understood. I didn't have up in an impoverished crime-ridden community. I didn't have to deal with gang violence.

But you're certainly not advocating them coming in illegally. No. I just think there's got to be a better conversation about this. And I think that the conversation is that if you oppose these people that are illegally immigrating into this country, that you're a racist. It's unbelievable. This is what's going on right now. My bass player, Marco Mendoza, is a Mexican. It's unbelievable. This is what's going on right now. My bass player Marco Mendoza is a Mexican. My bass player Johnny Gunnell is a black guy. But it's simple to call people racist.

Like, people love to do that. They love to reduce you down to one word. Isn't that cruel? It's cruel. It's ignorance of – it's a denial of nuance. Well, that's a tsunami of accusations against me. And I've always made it perfectly clear throughout my 70 year life, I have always judged by content of character, never by color

of skin. I have to admit there is a racist element in me because I'm going to expect a black guy to be able to play a better groove than a white guy. That has been overruled over the years because there's so many white guys that learn from the black masters that now it is raceless. But in growing up, I always figured the black guy would be a better musician. So you're racist against white people. Yes. In the early days, it was that way. But nowadays, we learn from those black soul artists that were the consummate definitive authority of emotional music from the James Brown, the Funk Brothers and Chuck and Bo and Little Richard and Bebe and Freddie and Albert and all these monster black heroes of everybody's. And there's not a musician in the world that won't admit that. But now, because of that influence all these years, the white boys can keep right up there with them.

In fact, in many instances, compared to a lot of the rap and the hip-hop, there's a whole lot of white guys out there. I think of Joe Bonamassa and Anton Fig and certainly Jason Heartless and Greg Smith and all the guys, Nero Smith and ZZ Top. I mean, you close your eyes and there's not a Caucasian to be found in these bands nowadays, soul-wise. So, yeah, race, the repugnant, dishonest charge of racism is completely... It's one that you can't shake. If someone calls you a racist and other people repeat it.

I know, but people have called you a racist. Constantly. Everybody with a heart and a soul knows I'm not. You know who the racists are? People that call me a racist. Those are the racists. And dirtbags to be. It's an unfair thing to do that people like to do because it automatically puts you on the defensive. You're automatically on your heels and you have to defend this charge against racism by proving you're not a racist,

which makes people suspicious that you might be racist. I don't. I just live a great life with great people and race, creed, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender confusion. Gender confusion. None of it matters. What do you think about that? gender gender confusion none of it matters what do you think about that i think i think caitlin i think this gender went caitlin because i beat him in all the races we raced against that's what it is yeah i'm teasing them i i pray for bruce caitlin um what a great guy

um you call her a girl now i will if that's what he if that's what she likes it's a weird one right yeah where was this when you were a kid yes? I will if that's what she likes. It's a weird one, right? Yes. Where was this when you were a kid? Yes. It's a different arena of thought. Yeah. And only she can make that choice, and you have to respect that choice.

It's mind-twisting. Twisting. And anybody who says it's not is not being honest. It's very strange. Like Diane Sawyer. God love her, but she had the opportunity of a lifetime when she was interviewing Bruce. And he was saying, you know, for all practical purposes, I'm a woman. And she said, she should have said, yeah, except for the dick.

But I raced against Bruce. Can you imagine if she did say it? I wish. Just like that? Oh, man. But I got to be friends with Bruce when he was the god of manliness. Yeah. You know, the gold medalist on everything.

He was just the baddest. Cover Wheaties. The baddest motherfucker that ever hurtled the earth. Yeah, right? And I raced with him in off-road races and stuff, and I always beat him, which was just shit luck because i was more aggressive and uh he was a great guy and i suspect he's still a she's still a great gal yeah i mean i i respect anyone's choice to do whatever you want as long as it's not hurting people and that falls

right into that category absolutely how many people have come to you uh that you run into in all your your you all your circles and musicians? I'm a curious son of a bitch. They're curious about hunting. They didn't know where to start. Because that's one of the things that comes to me a lot. People are like, I have so many comedians friends. And this is great, isn't it?

Yeah. And they don't know how to get started. And I'm like, man, I wish I had the time to take you. But I don't. I barely have enough time to go myself. I've witnessed you articulate it. And you're doing a great job. And I time to take you, but I don't. I barely have enough time to go myself. I've witnessed you articulate it, and you're doing a great job, and I thank you for that, and I salute you. And you've made great progress and inroads in that arena of ignorance and presumptuousness.

But I'm very blessed because I'm a loud mouth and I'm alive. I mean, I'm engaged. I exercise my duties as we the people to talk about policies and get in the face of my elected employees and hold them to constitutional accountability. I'm like, I missed the Concord Bridge, so I'm here doing this now. And I, in my everyday walk at the sushi restaurant, at the gas station, at the feed mill, at the charity event. People are always coming up. And those that would hesitate, I guess, never showed up because I never felt any hesitation. They're always genuinely intrigued. And they express confusion and uncomfortableness, discomfort with the concept of killing game.

discomfort with the concept of killing game. But within minutes, when I talk about sustained yield, habitat carrying capacity, just simple, readily understood earthly logistics, they go, well, I never thought of it like that before. Well, they're going to have babies next year, and there's not going to be any new ground. We're going to have to grow next year's wildlife on the existing habitat, and in most cases, reduced habitat. But thank God the cougars can live in your backyard and the bears can live in the cul-de-sac in Pennsylvania

and coyotes will live in your bathroom if you don't lock the doors. So wildlife has adapted miraculously. I mean, geese and ducks and turkeys and deer and elk and bear, they're literally everywhere. Check out Estes Park in Colorado. I mean, they're landscaping destructo derby. So we don't need to worry about encroaching on habitat because they will adapt and they have wonderful. And again, more deer, more elk, more cougar, more bear, more turkey, more geese than ever in recorded history.

And we're slaughtering them by the gazillions every year because they grow gazillions every year. And once I express it to people like that, and then I inject the inescapable truism, you talk organic. You talk close to the earth. Quality, real food. Is there something better than venison? Because if there is, I want some. Well, this conversation is what I'm talking about. People don't know how to get started. They hear about that, and there's all this talk about organic and close to nature and being connected to your food.

But they don't know how to get started. It's pretty easy to start a garden if you have a yard. But to start hunting, there's a great barrier to entry. There is, but it's easily overcome. And again, go to my Facebook. I mean, not to be my Facebook, but I am the glowworm of the hunting lifestyle. I mean, people have always come to me for that because I've always promoted it and I've never backed down. And almost every interviewer brings it up since the 1960s because it was the tip of the culture war controversial spear. It really was hunting and guns. Those are the tip of the culture war from the beginning because people were moving from urban, self-sufficient, hunting, fishing, trapping,

earthly lifestyles to the city where they were catered to. And they didn't hear the chicken squawking, so they didn't feel responsible for its death. Right. But if you're having cordon bleu, you're a killer. Yeah, that is the problem. And when I expressed that, they go, oh, you got a point there. And I went, you think? Yeah. I went, you think? So I use blunt street term nomenclature and easily identified colloquialisms of modern terminology that is timeless. And it registers with them quickly.

Now, getting over the hump to have access to hunting ground, I also have been effective in educating people on that because everybody's got an Uncle Joe. Everybody's got access to some state or federal open ground. And even though the hunting isn't very quality on those public areas, oftentimes, if you are willing to pursue what should have inspired you to ask about hunting, and that means to go beyond the beaten path path which is part of the spiritual experience leaving the modern cush and getting into a wild area i find that a lot of my new uh baptized hunting young old and otherwise that they like going deep and they will find that

deer that's not on the fringes of public ground that have already been so pressured that they've moved into the interior nucleus of more sanctuary habitat. And these guys, they almost cry they're so happy, even if they didn't get something. Because I got in there, and it took me two hours to get in there. It was still dark, and I was concerned about my safety. I'd never been that deep in the woods before up in the Manistee National Forest of Michigan or in any wild ground, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, California. And they said, you're right, Ted. It's changed my life. So it's an immediate aliveness that is rarely available in a modern setting except for great family times, birth, death, sex, laughter around a campfire.

Primal moments. Primal, primal moments, Yes. I call it a prayer for the wild things. I actually wrote this in the New York times way back in the, uh, I guess it was the eighties. I wrote a New York times Sunday magazine feature about my Christmas buck. Um, and I've written it in all kinds of places and I'm amazed that people still question whether I'm serious about hunting or not. I go, are you kidding me? I've written New in all kinds of places, and I'm amazed that people still question whether I'm serious about hunting or not. Are you kidding me? I've written New York Times bestsellers.

I had the number one show on Outdoor Channel for 30 years almost. Who questions whether or not you're serious about hunting? Yeah. Someone actually questions that? Yeah, just not sure what it's all about. Well, they don't know what it's all about. My statements are just, how can you avoid them? Well, I mean, there's many people that would hear about you and then

immediately go, oh, fuck that guy. I heard him talk once. Yeah. He said fuck and he called somebody a motherfucker. Shut the fuck up. He did something. You've never been on the street, really? You've never been on the street. You've never heard this language before. You're a lying sack of shit. Being this polarizing guy, though, does it get exhausting?

Like so many people are angry at you all the time? No, it's invigorating. It's invigorating. You don't get tired of just constantly doing verbal battle with people? But I don't. I don't do battle. I merely put out the truth, logic, common sense, the science. It's irrefutable.

It's not my opinion. I have no opinion on it. I'm just genuinely at the altar of truth, logic, common sense, and science. And I share it. And if you can't grasp it, you work on it. And I'm here if you need me. But you clearly like it. You like doing these Pierce Morgan interviews.

Yes, because without me, who's going to do it? Their lies will stand. Their dishonesty and their mean-spirited... Well, why do you think they have these lies? Why do you think a guy like Pierce Morgan does... He's been so removed. They are so citified that they think their cordon bleu didn't die. They think that their pulled pork sandwich came like that.

And within just minutes, an honest person will admit that their tofu salad has a whole bunch of dead ground squirrels in its vapor trail. But unless I tell them, nobody else is going to tell them that. Well, another thing that's a big blind spot is they don't understand where conservation money comes from. When you talk to them about the Pickman-Robertson Act, you talk to them about how many billions of dollars every year is generated from sales of ammunition, hunting gear, bows and arrows, and all that stuff. And we did that. We self-imposed that. It was before our time, but yeah. The hunters did.

It wasn't before my time. What year was that? It was like the 1930s, right? Well, the 30s, the dingle, Robert and Pitsman, yeah, that was almost a Teddy Roosevelt thing. But the real battle cry was in my lifetime. There was no anti-hunting the first 10 years of my life. in the first 10 years of my life. It was the concrete jungle acidification removal

from the system by which we are sustained that was a convenient disconnect and you could deny it because you didn't hear the animals die. You didn't see the blood. It was nice and cleaned up

in the little cellophane package. And this is new over the last few generations. Yeah, and that denial metastasized into a cult of make-believe and fantasy. But to their credit, there is only a lunatic fringe. I don't believe that the animal rights, even though they've succeeded in California, they run into a dead-end brick wall everywhere else.

Even though in Michigan the dirt bags succeeded in banning the hunting of the number one game animal on planet earth the morning dove where we grow more doves in michigan than all the quail pheasant woodcock and grouse combined that's a weird one right because doves but people have never eaten dove they don't know they're delicious and you hear about a dove you go wait a minute that's peace yeah you can't shoot p this is this isn't an analogy of everything that's wrong in America. You're killing peace. You're killing peace. That's a lunatic fringe, though.

It really is a lunatic fringe. It's a convenient opinion because it seems like it's indefensible. Yeah, you're shooting a dove. Why would you shoot a dove, Ted? And you're like, listen, I'm going to cook up some dove for you, and then you tell me why I wouldn't shoot a dove. Why is it okay to shoot a chicken? It's not okay to shoot a dove. Why is it okay to shoot a pheasant tell me why I wouldn't shoot a dove. Yeah. Why is it okay to shoot a chicken? It's not okay to shoot a dove.

Why is it okay to shoot a pheasant? It's not okay to shoot a dove. You're much too pragmatic, Joe. Watch the logic. You might hurt somebody. But these conversations don't take place. Well, they do. Thank God you've been baptized, because this has a great impact, because your average listener

does not come to hear hunting truth. Your average listener comes to hear smart ass dialogue and issue review and intellectual analysis of life's experiences. All good, all perfect. But that you have inflected and injected the truth about conservation wise use wildlife management is a hallelujah moment, which is why I'm sitting across from you today. Well, thank you. Because I value that. And a lot of it I got, honestly, from people like you that were enthusiastic about it that got me curious.

When I saw how enthusiastic you were about hunting and about the eating of wild meat and how much energy it gives you, I got very curious many years before I ever started hunting. Because I saw a lot of those pita videos where you see these horrific conditions and factory farms and i didn't want to be a part of that and i was trying to figure out how to not be a part of that and so when i first decided to start hunting but before that i was making two decisions either i'm gonna do this and i'm gonna hate it and i'm never gonna do it again and i'm gonna going to be a vegetarian or I'm going to become a hunter. And the moment I shot that deer and then we ate it, I was like, oh, I'm doing this forever.

Magic Zuckerberg actually came out and admitted that if he's going to eat flesh, he's going to kill it himself. He did it for a whole year. Everything he ate, he killed. And I think that people would have a better understanding of what their food is. And when you have these conversations with people, when it comes to animal rights ideas

and what should and shouldn't be legal, 95, 97% of the people eat meat. I mean, it's a crazy number. It's our life support system. It's protein. It's food. And people think you're just going to stop that. Listen, you're going to get a lot of people that aren't healthy. This is not the way to go.

And if some people want to go vegan and they can pull it off with careful studying of their diet and making sure they're supplementing with all the right things, good luck. Go for it. Well, you know, you ask how we can initiate this conversation. After my great hero Fred Bear died in 1987, it was the next year I started the Ted Nugent Camp for Kids, which was a movement forward of what he told me to continue promoting conservation and hunting the way I was. So I started a charity, 501C3 Charity, the Ted Nugent Camp for Kids, where we run in Colorado, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Iowa every year. We've graduated over 16,000 boys and girls between the ages of 7 and 17 from great volunteers,

men and women from every imaginable walk of life that I have to vet because it's got my name on it, but great heroes of law enforcement, military, and just great families. And we teach them the discipline of archery, the discipline of wildlife management, including if you don't fish a pond, the fish will overpopulate and they'll die off. That you have to harvest a surplus to make room for the next productivity. And trapping, the importance of trapping, that that's how you keep disease under control.

And that's how you keep value to fur bearers. And that's how you make really great, great warm clothes. And atlatls and fly fishing and the meticulous detail and discipline of tying flies. And being clean and sober and being the best that you can be. And self-sufficiency and rugged individualism. So this has been going on since 1989. And still you haven't read a word about it in New York Times. You haven't read a word about it anywhere because they're too quick to condemn me.

Because I'm so good at promoting hunting and gun ownership that they avoid me like the plague. But the real tragedy is that Outdoor Life, Field and Stream, Sports and Field, Guns and Ammo, all these sporting publications, not a word. 30 years of a wonderful charity created by a household name celebrity about the most important things in life, they just don't care. So I'm mentioning it here on the Joe Rogan podcast because my volunteers have been doing God's work for all these years. And plus, people have been very generous. The Shikar Safaris donate money every year, and people just dig deep and make donations to keep the camp alive.

So if people want to find out about that, then go to my website. But it's a charity for children about being aware of resource stewardship and hands-on, boots-on-the-ground environmentalism. If you're going to cut a tree, you might want to plant 50. And I know you do a lot of that. We do a lot of that. You do a lot of tree planting, a lot of that you do a lot of tree planting and you've you've done every year since 69 yeah i've got forests in michigan i mean

giant towering forests it's fun to kill deer on your own ground it's fun to kill deer anywhere it's exciting it's challenging it's all the good things but when you do it on your own ground that you earned it's really special but when you do it on the own ground that you earned and you legally built the forest, it's spiritual. It's almost like I levitate when I'm in my forest. Well, I remember you had – I don't remember who it was. You had some rock and roll guy on your – Sebastian Bach, I think, one time. It was one of the guys, but you were talking about how someone was saying, this is amazing.

I wish I had my own forest. Oh, this is great. Who was that? That wasven tyler joe perry we were on my place and snorted your own forest i said you you snorted the upper peninsula who are you kidding and they did you had him on here he could have bought one hell of a nice ranch and he would admit that that the life that you live, like that life, having this, you essentially live in an area, in both places, Michigan into Texas, you hunt in your own environment. You have your own hunting place. But it's controversial, and this is what's controversial about it, the fence.

Well, Texas property is fenced because I have exotics, so by law. And why do I have it fenced? Why do I have exotics. So by law, and why do I have it fenced? Why do I have exotics? Because if it wasn't fenced with exotics, those exotics would have probably been extinct by now. But landowners in Texas, we took the lead from South Africa. And a lot of people don't know this, Joe. In fact, I articulated in an upcoming Spirit of the Wild show.

High fence hunting saved wildlife in Africa. Because the development of agriculture in Africa was in total conflict with the migration of wildlife. We're talking all those incredible species from elan and kudu and gemsbach and inyala and wildebeest and the warthogs and elephants. They would migrate every year. And all of a sudden, the migration came to your citrus grove and destroyed everything. It killed all the wildlife because you want to sell your citrus. Well, some of the ranchers who value the wildlife more than citrus, and there's nothing wrong with citrus,

they literally said, well, God damn it, every time my herds migrate, only a portion of them come back because all these agri concerns are destroying killing the wildlife to protect their agriculture so i'm going to fence my 20 000 acres and i'm going to manage it 20 000 acres is huge even my spirit wild ranch is 300 acres it still has a finite productivity every habitat is finite yeah and so they started selling those hunts for the surplus every year of these magnificent wildlife species instead of agriculture. So those animals are thriving in absolute natural habitat, as is my home ground, Spirit Wild Ranch in Texas. You must harvest the surplus, fence or no fence. Fence or no fence, and mark my words, people who condemn and criticize high fence hunting is not fair chase are speaking out of their ass.

Ted Nugent hunts more days in an average year than most people will in their lifetime. I hunt hundreds of days every morning, every afternoon. The animals have to die. I must make room for next year's productivity. In your situation. In all situations. But in your situation in particular, because you're only on 300 acres. That's right. You have a certain amount of animals and habitat.

But everybody, even outside my fence, you still got to kill them animals too. But a lot of purists would look at that and go man is that really hunting i mean you're here's my answer you're ready in area you're ready yeah lifetime experience hunting you know most difficult animals in the world the most challenging animals in the world pressured are my pressured animals on spirit one ranch on my open 1100 acre swamp in michigan if i want to shoot a deer i can 90 plus tell you with all my different choices of tree stands and my strategies of wind and habitat and positioning bait or no bait just travel corridors i've been living there i've owned it since 1978 in fact the one place I've owned since 1970, I have like a 20 times the shot opportunity on my open ground than I do on my fenced ground.

My high fenced hunting and all the high fenced hunting I've ever had is as absolutely pure, fair chase as any wilderness I've ever been to. fair chase as any wilderness I've ever been to, from the Sudan to Alaska to Saskatchewan to Ontario to Montana to Wyoming to Northern California. It is hunting. The role the fence plays is zero in my killing an animal. It only plays a role in keeping pressure outside, so I don't have to shoot that two or three or four year old buck. I can wait till he's five, but I still have to kill those fidgety does. And it's absolutely pure hunting.

I understand your perspective. The way people disagree is that the idea that these animals can never leave. They're stuck. They're stuck there. So you know that they're going to be there, which is the difference between that and like say you go into a backcountry hunt, you know, you park your truck in the trailhead and hike in 12 miles.

Which I've done. Which I do. Yeah, I'm sure you do. These animals, you have no idea if they're there or not. Believe me, a spirit-wide ranch, you have no idea whether they're there or not. Right, but you know you have a lot of them. Sure. Right, but you know you have a lot of them. Sure. Right? It's just, It's a different thing to people. But then again, it's like,

do people have a problem fishing in a stocked pond? Or in a pond that's not stocked, but managed on my property so that I fish it adequately enough so that the bass get to be six, seven, and eight pounds, but I don't let them get stunted. Same thing. Those fish ain't going anywhere.

And quite honestly, in those suburban areas and urban areas and even farming across America, those deer are there. They are there. And I have no better chance of shooting a deer on Spirit Wild Ranch in the high fence than I do hunting the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio, where those deer can go everywhere, except that there is a highway right there. There's a hospital over there. There's a school over there. And there's a neighborhood over there. And there's a factory over here. So every habitat has its limitations. Yeah, I had a conversation with someone about axis deer in Lanai. We just got back from Lanai. Awesome. Overpopulated.

Out there. It's crazy overpopulated so i said there's 20 responsible 20 000 axis deer and 3 000 people on this island and so someone says to me what's the challenge in that i'm like oh christ you never seen an axis so uppity they are wired they are what they're most wired species this side of bongo and uh i'm gonna say mature kudu these guys what's a bongo and I'm going to say mature kudu. What's a bongo? Bongo is a huge antelope. It's actually orange with black and white stripes from the Central African Republic and Cameroon area. And so they evolved to get away from lions, whereas the axis deer evolved to get away from tigers.

Yep. Yeah. Just anything that lives around cats, like mule deer, high country mule deer, just switched on looking for mountain lions. Well, Michigan deer, because there's, you know, 800, yeah, they're pressured from the time they're born. Well, that's the thing about your place in Michigan. Like, in Michigan, it's very hard to find a large, mature deer. Not on our property. No, that's what I'm saying.

We stopped shooting young ones, and all the neighbors agreed, just like they did in Buffalo County, Wisconsin, which is all just decisions by contiguous landowners right to not shoot young bucks because somebody shot a 200 inch and they went wow where'd you get that i went on my farm so they knew they were there that's why i was so popular because deer hunting was not popular and guys were shooting six and seven year old mammoths and so the hunters that started deer hunting went, well, I'm not shooting that two year old, you know, booger buck because Joe down the road got a, got a massive stag. I'm going to wait for one of them. And by waiting for them, they do get older and they do have that mysticism of stagnance,

which is better for the population because that guy gets to breed year after year and spread those good genetics. Let's talk about that too. A lot of people go, trophy hunting takes out the best genes. Yeah. No, it does not. They don't understand what they're talking about. We keep setting records for deer and moose and elk and caribou and bear and mountain lion and antelope every year. We set world records constantly because our hunting system of being disciplined and waiting for that mature animal,

Because our hunting system of being disciplined and waiting for that mature animal, our hunting system has produced the healthiest, most monstrosity specimens in the history of record keeping every year. So we're not hurting anything by being disciplined and patient, which I've learned over the years. And my son is very adamant about, and so many hunters are. There's a mysticism to that mature stag. Sure. The breeders of our ancestors were the best hunters, and they did the breeding because they were more resourceful and more intelligently connected to the system by which we fed the tribe. So those killer stag hunters were always the leader of tribes, and it's still that way today, I'd like to think.

And also this pursuit of bow hunting, which is more difficult and more rewarding because it's more difficult, is many levels more difficult when you're chasing after a 200-inch buck. So impossible. Because this is a six-, seven-year-old animal that's been avoiding mountain lions and bears and whatever else is trying to eat it for years and years. This thing is switched on. They take very clever paths. They let the does and the fawns wander out first, and they lay back, and a lot of them go nocturnal.

They come out about midnight and go back to bed around 1. Now, there is a variance there. In South Texas, where age management was created because they supplement and they got center pivot agriculture down in the deserts of South Texas. And that genetic is a very fortified genetic. Anyhow, 200-pound deer are not that rare. A lot of people think all deer in Texas are little, but they're not. Texas are little, but they're not. And if you let them grow, which Texas pretty much pioneered, those bucks in South Texas are the easiest deer on the planet to kill. And there's a couple of dynamics. There's just some strange genetic lineage there that they're a calmer animal. Plus they're on wide open, vast private ground, which means they don't get the

public hordes of pressure. And once that buck is a button buck the first year, nobody shoots at him. So he encounters, he smells that person, he sees that person, he hears that person, no problem. Second year, he's a little booger buck. He ran into people. Nobody messed with him. Third year, he's got a nice little rack. He still ran into people. No problem. There's some corn here. This is where the wheat field is. Yeah, I smell that guy, but three years, he's never bothered me.

I'll just keep eating. Fourth year, same thing. So they reduced their fear factor of the encounter with humans because nobody shot at them. Because they're not going to shoot until they're sick. Is that natural? What? Right. Isn't, wouldn't that be considered like, that's weird.

It's almost like this is a pet or a farm animal. I don't know about that. I mean, it's just a relaxed animal that is not pressured. But not just relaxed, but accustomed to humans. Yes. But they're still elusive. You're not going to walk up to them and club them. Though there are some places down there where they get so relaxed that they do hand feed some of the does.

No. They get so relaxed. That seems so strange to me. Well, but everybody's got their own little preference. And I've never thought of wildlife as pets. I just wouldn't own a deer as a pet. You're asking for trouble. And it's not natural but if that's

what you like i'm have a nice day well you know those farms uh the deer farms that's uh one of the primary ideas of the source of cbcwd right no they think that a lot of it comes from deer farms came from colorado department of wildlife What do you mean? 1967, they injected scrapies, which is the sheep version of the spongiform encephalectomy, into the mule deer in 1967, and they got out. That's where it started. Why did they inject them? I cannot imagine bureaucrats being assholes, I suspect. So they're doing it for some sort of experiment?

I don't know. You know that sheep were more popular in America than cattle. There were way more sheep than cattle until scrapies came in, which is that CWD version for sheep, mad cow in bovines and Crutchfield Jacob in humans. the scientists, Crutchfield and Jacob, that the Indonesian people that got this spongiform condition from a mutated prion, because they ate the brains of their conquered enemies, which is never a good idea. So I'm aware of all this stuff. But believe me when I tell you, live on the Joe Rogan podcast, the CWD hysteria is a scam. More deer are killed in Michigan every year by feral dogs than all the deer ever worldwide by CWD. I think the concern, though, with CWD is that it's spreading.

It's not spreading. My friend Doug, his farm in Wisconsin, they're just starting to test positive for CWD is that it's spreading. It's not spreading. My friend Doug, his farm in Wisconsin, they're just starting to test positive for CWD. They're just starting to get animals. Well, you know why? Because they're looking for it. Well, it's not just that. They were looking for it before, but they think that it's from animals that get out of these high-fence farm operations where they all feed from the same trough, and they spread this from there. I think there's no evidence to support that.

Dr. James Crow just testified with me in front of the Michigan Natural Resource Commission and Department of Natural Resources, and all the exhaustive studies have concluded that CWD cannot be cross-species. You can't get it by eating it. A person can't get it. A person can't get it by eating person can't person can't get it they they had a macaw monkeys get up but that's because they injected massive quantities into the brain of the macaw monkey otherwise they couldn't get it but cwd wisconsin spent 70 million dollars i'm not making that

number up wisconsin spent 70 million dollars tried to eradicate certain herds, which is a virtual impossibility, by the way, and even if you were successful, the mutated prion, they stay in the ground, typically through urine. Yeah. It becomes a part of plants as well. There is no evidence whatsoever that CWD has ever compromised a cervid herd. There's been no reduced seasons even in the epicenter, the endemic area of Colorado and Wyoming, where it started, where it's the most prevalent. No seasons have been reduced.

No reduced in tags. No reduced in harvest. It's inconsequential. harvest it's inconsequential it occurs so rarely they've studied the deer for 18 years in wisconsin and deer that had cwd 18 years collared and monitored still having fawns they say it's always fatal it is not always fatal go to dr drdeere.com slash Facebook. Either drdeere.com slash Facebook or Facebook. So you're not worried about it at all? Not.

What do you think it is? I'm worried about bureaucrats that have scared away hunters in Wisconsin and caused butchers to quit processing deer because of the manufactured hysteria. CWD is not a concern. Buicks kill more deer than CWD. The bureaucrats go in and slaughter deer by the thousands. So if CWD has killed 58 deer in Michigan, which it has, they found, I don't think any of them were fatal. I think they had to kill them, though they did find one in Jackson County. They claim, I don't believe them. I just don't believe bureaucrats. Remember, these are the bureaucrats,

Joe, in Michigan that claimed that there were, quote, 5,000 to 7,000 Russian boar running wild in Michigan. Can we analyze that claim for a moment? Maybe you can tell me, Joe, what the fuck is a Russian boar? I'll tell you what a russian boar is it's a male pig in russia yeah there's no such genus as a russian boar it's all wife's tail bullshit and that was the official statement by a game agency in michigan lion sons of bitches and then they claimed and here's another one so isn't it our moral and spiritual obligation to wisely use the animals we harvest, isn't it? Yes. In Michigan, the farmers can slaughter sandhill cranes, which are known as ribeye in the sky, right?

It's supposed to be delicious. It is. Farmers in Michigan can shoot sandhill cranes, but by law are not allowed to eat them. Is this a game department you can trust? Wait a minute. No, I will not. Wait a minute. You heard me right. You're not allowed to eat them. What? Is this a game department you can trust? Wait a minute. No, I will not. Wait a minute. You heard me right.

You're not allowed to eat sandhill cranes? This game department is going to try to tell me about wildlife management when they claim there were 6,000 to 7,000 Russian-born. By the way, let's say there were 6,000, 5,000 to 7,000 wild pigs in Michigan back when they claimed it in the 90s. You know how many that would be today? Show me some game cameras. 800,000 wild pigs in Michigan back when they claimed it in the 90s. You know how many that would be today? Show me some game cameras. 800,000 deer hunters in Michigan.

What is there, 10,000, 20,000 game cameras? It's a lie. CWD is a lie. CWD has killed 58 deer in Michigan, so they claim. The DNR has authorized the slaughter of tens of thousands. Who's the enemy of the deer hunter? The bureaucrats are. I'm telling you, in Michigan, they have lost their souls.

It's a heartbreaker. I can't understand the rationale for not eating sandhill cranes. There is none. What are they saying? When you shoot them, you have to just let them rot? You have to bury them or let them rot. So you're shooting them as a nuisance animal? Is that the idea?

Even if that's the idea. But here's the truth. The guitar player will help. So they don't have tags. The guitar player will help out here. If there's enough sand oak cranes for farmers to shoot, open the season, sell licenses, create a management plan, and show some decency and respect, and let us eat the ribeye in the sky, you stupid bastards.

Yeah, that makes sense. Now, see, I'm confrontational now because I've been confronted with an offensive, a criminal law that forbids us to utilize God's precious protein. It's bizarre world. That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. No sense. It doesn't make any sense that the morning dove, you know, the picture of the dove on

millions of boxes of ammo in Michigan, there's a picture of a dove and it says game load, but the Michigan DNR will say, oh, no, no, no. That's a songbird. You can't shoot them and eat them. It's Planet of the Apes. And it's from people that don't have any background whatsoever in wildlife or hunting. But they're trained biologists.

But that's different, right? And they're influenced by politicians, bureaucrats. They're liars. That question, too, of wild boar, like whenever I go to a restaurant, it says, like, wild boar sausage. I'm like, how do you know it was a male? You don't know it was a male. Why are you calling it a boar?

It's a wild pig. But it sounds sexy. Russian boars. We have 8,000 Russian boars. What are they, gay? They're out there in the woods banging each other? Where's the girls? Thank God they're all males.

Maybe that's what happened. Maybe they did have 8,000 boars, and they're all going, where's the fucking chicks? But how can a game department use that kind of terminology? Yeah, it's a real problem. With a straight face. It's a real problem. When they speak about it that way, you immediately dismiss what they're saying because they're not being accurate. They're not being accurate with describing what the animal is.

And you're inclined to dismiss anything they say. So you're only allowed to shoot those sandhill cranes as a nuisance animal. You can't shoot them and eat them. It's unbelievable. That's crazy. there by the way they're everywhere there's plenty of sandhill cranes in Michigan to open the season a lot of people go well have you ever talked to senators and congressmen they go well you can't you can't shoot sandhill cranes I'm when it's a game bird you dirt bag you need to cook it for me I watched the episode of Ronella show and they were cooking I

was like that looks like a steak. It's a red animal. It's red meat. It's just tragic. In California, you can't eat mountain lions. You've got to bury them. You can't eat them. So even if you shot one with a depredation permit, you have to bury it? That's right.

Wow. That's indecent. It is indecent. It's a waste of the animal. That's why I'm confrontational. I'm confronting indecency and trying to get some honesty involved. And you can't do it by backing off and being Mitt Romney-like and bring a doily to a grenade fight. It's a doily.

I like to bring an 810 Warthog to a porker game. Ted, we just did three hours and like 15 minutes. I even warmed up. Just flew by, right? This time just flew by. That's because it's a love fest of truth, logic, and common sense. Well, listen, man,

it's been a pleasure to meet you. Glad to be able to sit down with you and have a good conversation here. My friends were right. You do deserve me. And I think it's a good opportunity for people to get a chance to see you in a long-form conversation rather than these sound bites that they could just choose to hate.

Yeah, especially when these sound bites are edited and manufactured. Yes. And let's make it perfectly clear. I did not avoid the draft. I did nothing. Oh, let's go to that. I am not a rave. Kill that music real quick.

Because that was an old-school story of an interview supposedly that you shit all over yourself in high times and by the way joe you you know me pretty well in the last three hours if i had shit on myself to get out of the draft do you think for a minute i would deny it no i would have a riot with it it was a story what was that about i went in uh and got my draft physical by the way when i went in 1969, I was Superman. I literally would hurdle Volkswagen bugs. I was all muscle and sinew. I was Superman.

I was the most athletic, running, jumping gazelle known to man. And I went in for my draft. I didn't know anything about Vietnam. I didn't know anything about war. My dad was a war hero, but nobody talked about it. I never heard of the Bataan Death March. I graduated from the American education system, so I knew nothing. And there was all protests around me, but I wasn't really tuned into the protests because I was making music every day.

I mean, just obsessed with the Amboy Dukes and playing gigs every day. And I didn't pay attention. I never watched a newscast in my life. But I was given a draft notice, and I went down. I went down. I had my draft physical, and I didn't pay attention. I never watched a newscast in my life. But I was given a draft notice, and I went down. I went down, and I had my draft physical, and I passed with flying colors. And I got a draft card in the mail a couple months later through my mom and dad's house, and won Y, but not a deferment. It's a designation.

I was in Oakland Community College at the time, so Y was a student designation, I believe. But I was ready to rock. I didn't want to go. I didn't understand any of it. My buddies were going. John Brake, my singer, had to go. Rob Leonard from Amboy Dukes had to go. So the only way you could have gone is if you dropped out of school?

Is that what it is? No, it wasn't a deferment. No, I would have been called any time. So you could have been called, but you just weren't. Sure. And then the Wikipedia claims I got a 4F. 4F! What is a 4F?

A 4F, it means you're physically incapable. I've never been physically incapable of anything. So they make this shit up. And so I did an interview with high times which by the way let's make it clear i've done this so many times but people ignore my actual statements so i had been doing interviews all because the ambly dukes were on fire and i was just an outrage on stage with the loincloth and the bow and arrow and feedback and these killer songs and the band was so good greatest musicians in the world so i did interviews all the time talking about the music I loved,

and they never got anything right. These stone dirtbag hippie writers got the guys in the band's names wrong. They got the facility wrong. They mentioned songs we didn't perform. They got nothing right. And every time I'd read the interview, I'd go, God, we were talking about my music. You didn't even get the song titles right. So I started having fun with these interviewers, much to the entertainment of my bandmates,

who would break out in hysterics when I'd make up stories because I'm not going to even try to be accurate anymore. It was an ongoing maneuver of mine. We'd have these hippie writers come in to take notes, and I'd say, yeah, I play this Fender Stratocaster. to take notes, and I'd say, yeah, I play this Fender Stratocaster. As I holed up my Gibson Birdland, which I was known for, and they'd write down, he played a Gibson Stratocaster. There's no such thing as a Gibson Stratocaster. So I was having fun with dirtbag anti-journalists. So now I'm invited to do High Times Magazine, and I was hardcore anti-drug.

So I go in, and this guy is, you know, he's in interviews typically. So, Ted, so tell me about this Amboy Dukes. Is it like a band? I went, yeah, it's like a band. It's almost exactly like a band. What kind of question is this? So how did this conversation get started about the draft so anyhow we started talking about when i'm with the mc5 and the stooges

and we would party and i go yeah man i was snorting something i don't know what it was man i just got higher than a kite and he goes wow you think it might have been a crystal meth and i went yeah that's what they called it i never snorted crystal so you just made up i just went nuts and i we went into the war thing. And I go, I don't know anything about war. I'm a guitar player. But I went down for my draft physical. And when I went into the booth to give my urine sample, I made sure I ate Mexican food all week.

So instead of pissing in the urine cup, I took a big dump in it. It was green. It went all over the place. And the guy went, wow. Really? Yeah, really. And so I made up this story for High Times Magazine, you know, the great magazine of good information. And then it turned out that my drummer, K.J. Knight, God bless him, he actually admitted this and testified, that that's what he did.

We thought it was the funniest thing in the world. We're teenagers, and this guy went into the draft physical just an absolute near-death lump of shit to get out of the draft. And we thought it was funnier than hell. We weren't paying attention to important things in life. started quoting the High Times magazine and quoting an ex-girlfriend who claimed that I adopted her. That I adopted my girlfriend? Have you read that one? I did read that one. I forgot about it. What the fuck?

So this kind of stuff. Yeah, it was like you adopted her so you could take her on tour with you? No, so I could fuck her. That's what the story was. But that's absolutely absurd. I don't think that's how it works. That's not... I don't think it makes it easier to fuck them once you adopt them.

I didn't adopt anybody. Jesus Christ. I never shit my pants since I was, I think, eight months old. I've never been with an underage girl since I was underage. I'm not a racist. And what else do they say? Oh, and they claim that I made Courtney Love blow me when she was 12. I think she claimed that, right?

Yeah, I never met Courtney Love. You can tell I don't have a rash. You've just got to be kidding me. They just make this shit up because they know I'm so good at bringing my basic conservative agenda forward that they have to go full Saul Alinsky and lie and lie and lie. And if you go to Wikipedia to find out about Ted Nugent, they will repeat these lies. They're lies. And every one of those things, if I had done it, I'd go, yeah, it was awesome. But I didn't do

any of those things. Anyone can edit Wikipedia. It's unbelievable. It's very strange. I think she might have edited it. So I'm glad we got that out there. So this thing has just persisted forever. Obviously it's stuck in your craw because you wanted to bring it up at the very end here. No, it doesn't stick in my craw. It's just a fascinating example

of the dishonesty and the anti-journalism, agenda-driven, anti-American, anti-Ted, anti-Second Amendment, anti-freedom buffoonery that exists. And I think it makes for an interesting podcast exchange. I think so, too. It's not in my craw. It's not even in my universe. But I notice it. It's hysterical. Ted Nugent, ladies and gentlemen.

There you have it. Full on. Until next week. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.