The Joe Rogan Experience - #1152 - John Joseph

Episode Date: August 2, 2018

John Joseph is a musician, author and triathlete from New York City, most famous for his work as the lead singer of the Cro-Mags in the 1980s.

Must be from New York. Yeah, well you can definitely tell that. Four, three, two... And we're live, Jon Joseph. What's up, brother? How are you, man? Yo, this is like... I'm excited. Yeah, man.

And I'm excited too for... I think it could set a nice precedent because there's so much fucking toxic energy between vegans and non-vegans. Even if we're just joking around, people get so fucking angry and it's not necessary absolutely i mean where's the humor where's the comedy yeah i mean the other thing is i don't sit around call like i'm not defined by what the fuck i eat like like this dude said how

come you don't call yourself a vegan i'm like because i do a lot more shit than just eat plant-based food it's part of what i do but don't you call yourself a vegan i mean you are a vegan i'm like because i do a lot more shit than just eat plant-based food it's part of what i do but don't you call yourself a vegan i mean you are a vegan right uh i practice that uh lifestyle for sure but i don't call myself a vegan that's interesting i would say i people say uh you know how do you i don't like to put any type of material label on myself. And if somebody says, you know, to me and pushes the issue, I'm like, I'm more of a Hare Krishna, Bhakta yoga person than I am a vegan. You know, even though I don't wear animal products, I don't use animal products. I eat a plant based diet 100 percent. I eat a plant-based diet 100%. But to call myself that just puts me in some shelf,

oh, it's just another vegan or whatever the fuck. Well, you know, it seems to me it's like people are always searching for an identity. And if they have an identity that, you know, I'm a carnivore, I'm on the carnivore diet, which is all the latest trend. And then people get really hopped up on that. And that's all they want to do is talk carnivore. I'm on the carnivore diet, which is all the latest trend. Right. And then people get really hopped up on that. And that's all they want to do is talk carnivore diet.

The difference between what's happening right now with this carnivore diet and vegans seems very similar to me in that they're very into the identity of their food. Right. Not their food choices, but certainly into the fact that this is how they identify. They talk about it all the time. Right. And I just think there's pitfalls in that there's like traps that people fall into where they lock their identity into a group absolutely and this is what happens with vegans it happens to hunters it happens with

republicans happens with democrats it just becomes a group thing and then you automatically oppose people the other group and you you have like you have conflict, and you have conflict with them. You have hate with them. Do we need more walls? We don't need more walls. And I'll tell you what really got it for me, and I started doing this in 81 before anybody. I came out of incarceration. I came out of abusive foster homes.

My father was a professional fighter, tried to murder my mom, beat her continuously. I didn't even find out that I was conceived out of a rape from him on my mom. So getting locked up, hitting the streets, and then meeting the bad brains in 1980 and seeing them and who they were surrounded by. It was a lot of people who were into very metaphysical stuff so I got into the yoga and I know you've been doing yoga now too so one of the first tenants of the yoga practice which slams all it is all this label shit is a hum brahmasmi that I'm actually my identity is a spirit soul it beyond anything in the material world any label you want to put on yourself.

So that's really where I come from with the whole thing. And I think the toxicity level that is existing now just because of what people fucking choose to eat. I mean, I have my issues with certain things that are being done because of the condition of the planet. And we're not being good custodians of this planet that we're in charge. For kids and future generations, what's being done now, there's industries that are destroying the planet. Like, you know, some of it is irreparable damage being done. But I really try to keep it metaphysical with everything I do and who I help.

I mean, I'm working on a documentary right now, I hear 30 to Life with hardcore fucking ex-cons that just did 20, 25 years, 30 years. If I go in there trying to preach some vegan shit to them, I'm coming at them like a fucking, like, yo, dude, this is where I've been. I've been where you are. People help me, and I'm here to help you. We didn't start out, you know, we don't even say, you know, we say, you know, we're going to put you on a plant-based diet.

What are you going to do? Tell them don't wear leather fucking shoes? Don't do this? Don't do, you know, and the whole thing, even when Jay-Zz and beyonce it's never enough okay they went and you know they said vegan right okay we're practicing a vegan diet we're doing a 30-day vegan so what do the vegans do attack them oh but they're wearing fucking leather and it's you have to be able to fan the spark. So if you see some goodness in someone,

you have to be able to fan that spark, not throw water on it. And that's the problem that's being done is people are so judgmental because they've built this walls, the walls between them, that it's just fault finding. And I was telling the guys,

I trained them this morning. We're doing this 30 to life with Kip Anderson and uh we're at the Amity Foundation where these guys got paroled and I said look there's two types of mentality in the world there's the bee mentality that's looking for the sweet and the good in people and then there's the flies and they're looking for the shit I said when you see shit on a sidewalk and a dog takes a shit or in New York, you know, a human takes a shit. Within a matter of fucking 20 seconds, there's flies on that motherfucker. So I try to roll with the PMA, which I learned from Bad Brains, Positive Mental Attitude, which Napoleon Hill, H.R. Copter from Napoleon Hill Hill Think and Grow Rich and all those books

on self-help and it was like he told me no matter what circumstances you may be in and I was in the Navy at the time in Norfolk fucking smuggling, fucking up catching cases, came out took Navy over going back to jail and I was fucking up, I didn't know what to do

fucked out of my mind, hanging out with Henry Rollins and Ian McKay and all those guys in the DC hardcore scene and New York punk scene. And, you know, hanging with John Belushi on Fear that night. We were the ones that wrecked the set of Saturday Night Live and just, you know, just doing crazy shit. And he was just told me, you know,

whatever you may be going through in life, if you keep a positive mental attitude you could get through anything so how am I going to criticize people just because uh you eat meat or do whatever it's like you know and some of these people are hardcore Christians and it's like you're supposed to say hey what you know hate the sin not the sinner or whatever the fuck that whole philosophy deals with. I mean, my point is I'm trying to knock down the walls between people and unify people. I think what you do good is you're a very positive role model in terms of hard work, in terms of your mental fortitude and how you approach things. And I think people need that.

And I think one of the things that's going on right now with social media and one of the reasons why people will attack Jay-Z for wearing leather shoes, even though they're looking to stand out. They're looking to be virtuous. They're looking to be the person that's more virtuous than the person we're pointing a finger at. Man, fuck them. And there's always a lot of fuck people who aren't this

or fuck people who aren't that. You should never say fuck people because people are just like you. They're human beings and everybody's on a different path. Tell me why you believe the way you believe. Tell me why you think the way you think. And I'll tell you why I think the way I think and I bet we'll find common ground. And that's what human beings need to do more with each other. The problem with social media is it gives them this unusual platform

to get people to pay attention to their ideas. Maybe their ideas aren't even that good, or maybe their ideas are very obvious. You know, like you're going to point at someone, hey man, you know, you shouldn't say this word. Hey man, you shouldn't do this thing. Because we've decided that that's a bad thing. We've decided that that's culturally unacceptable anymore. And now everyone's going to attack for that very reason. Instead of describing how they feel, what makes them feel when they say something, what makes them feel when they do things, what's going on in their head, so we can all relate on common ground, people just want to attack. And it's a big problem with

what's going on. Social media is way too young. It's a new thing. And people are using it in these really fucked up ways. They don't exactly know what they're doing while they're doing it. They're not even aware of the effect of their printed word what it's going to have that's why you have so many trolls and so many mean people and so many people just trying to get a rise out of someone they're not even aware of the this process they're setting in motion they just know they could push a button and watch something happen they're just going whoo yeah you know i mean this is this is a lot of what's going on today i mean and some of this stuff is is destroying people's lives

what they're fucking doing they don't realize that you know it's a shame because when I was growing up we didn't have social media there was no motherfucking internet there was no none of you know I remember I had the first pager it was fucking

you know gigantic so like we didn't even. It was fucking, you know, gigantic. So, like, we didn't even have no internet. Everything was, you know, word of mouth. And if you wanted to catch shows, if you wanted to do this, if you had a beef with somebody, you didn't go on fucking social media and talk a bunch of bullshit. You fucking walked up to the person and you said, hey, here I am. And what the fuck? Let's deal with this.

Let's talk about it, talk it out. But now you got people buying followers and doing all that. It's just the most toxic environment in a lot of ways, and it's a shame because it could be used, and that's why I never post negative shit. I try to use the platform, make lighter lighter shit not have a stick up your ass there's too many people that do even the plant-based vegan thing and everything's so fucking serious i'm like you might reach more people if you lightened up you know like like stripes lighten up francis you know fucking yeah if you say you eat meat i'll kill you well you did write a book called Meat is for Pussies.

Well, I'll tell you how that came about. And actually, I got attacked. I'm going to tell you something else. You want to talk about destroying people. I got attacked more by the vegan feminists for that book, fucking tried to destroy me. Because you wrote Pussies? They wrote everybody because I wrote Pussies.

Now, first of all, and then she went on a blog and called me a misogynistic. I said, yeah, I like misogynist. But, you know, called me a misogynistic scumbag and a fucking piece of shit and all this. So I just wrote, hey, any of you ladies that bought this book for their fellas and it helped them, please fucking holler at this fucking woman and tell her something. They shut her fucking blog down. And then she called me a maniac. And I said, listen.

She called you a maniac because you sent people on her the way she sent people on you. But dig this. And then I said, we have a saying on the streets in New York back in the day, don't start none and there won't be none. So I said, you know. But the thing was, I'm going to tell you how that book title came about because it was a woman, actually Karen Rinaldi from HarperCollins, wave. a woman actually Karen Rinaldi from Harper Collins wave and what happened was I was training at Crunch Aaron Dragozanuski is my trainer and he's got me through all my fucking Ironmans everything

I was a fucking broken up person injuries all this shit so I'm where I was working at Crunch and training with him and then another person a friend of mine all the five points guys used to be there you would see them all they had a ring on the second floor so this guy was doing pad work and i'm telling him hey you know listen man you got a fight coming up man get on the chlorophyll get on the wheatgrass get on you know eat as much recovery foods as you can that's going to fight inflammation so some fucking mama luke with fucking 1980s tiger stripe pants fucking yeah fucking you know you're like he he just took everything out of context and then he's like yeah fucking uh people that don't eat meat are fucking pussies and i'm like uh yo you got like

50 pounds on me but if you want to put some head gear and and get in the ring i'll oblige you he's like what i said i don't eat meat bro and then the funny shit with the whole book title was it was going to be called the grow green road to health fitness and longevity and my business partner todd erwin goes motherfucker who are you dr oz nobody wants to hear that book from you. You're John Bloodclot Joseph, singer from the Cro-Mags. They want. He is for pussies. And then I said, yeah. I said, yeah, this motherfucker was like, you know, saying fucking people that don't eat me to pussies.

I'm like, motherfucker, that dude ain't probably ain't seen his dick in fucking 10 years. He was overweight and all this shit. I said, that motherfucker is the pussy. And he's like, yo, you know know what throw it back in their face and i was like i don't know man that's you know that's you know pretty fucking bold statement he said do it do it so we released so right away the fucking emails and the toxicity of the vegans that way yo that's how it started started and then we uh our agent dan uh we got hooked up with um this guy uh dan from icm he's like met my business partner in the hamptons he's like yo that book is fucking dope man i think we could get a deal within a week he had four offers so you wrote it first yeah i wrote it first and

we put it out so what was the thought process behind whiting it you just had a lot of shit in your head you just wanted to get out? Yeah, well, I studied writing under Robert McKee, so I wrote my memoir first. Interesting. Yeah, story.

I fucking, that guy's like my guru for writing. I took the story seminar twice. Great guru. He's fucking amazing. I mean, Brian Cox's portrayal of him

in fucking, in adaptation, fucking brilliant. Spot on. So, and, you know, I actually became friends with Robert, with Mr. McKee. He smoked like crazy. Really?

Yeah, he smoked cigarettes like a fucking chimney. A lot of writers do, man. Yeah, but not during the class. So when he had the breaks, he would fucking do like two, three cigarettes. I said, you know, my friend has an organic green tea extract company, and the polyphenols in that is going to counteract all your fucking smoking shit that you're doing. So I gave him five bottles, and then every time he would have his people call, yo, you know that guy, fucking McGowan, get him to bring me some more of that green tea shit. Did he quit smoking?

I don't know. I haven't seen him in a while. The problem is it gives them a charge. It gives them a nootropic charge. Yeah. It fires up your brain. Yeah. You ever smoke a cigarette?

Man, I smoke like crazy. I used to smoke Kool's in lockup and shit. Because that's what they give you in Spofford. And when I went upstate, it was Kool's. Why did you quit? I quit because I started boxing in lockup. And they would have us run this fucking hill called suicide hill and i would be fucking puking and i was like i gotta quit fucking smoking so i quit

smoking they used to do smoker fights in the lockup so if you had a beef with somebody you went into this rec room was about explain smokers to people they don't know what that means smoker fights means you just have a beef with somebody and you could just throw on the gloves and and go at it and as long as it's like reasonably within 20 pounds of a weight difference like yeah you know although in lockup i saw people much bigger people uh fighting much smaller people and some of them guys i mean i would i was not good i got i would fight the black dudes and they would just beat the shit out of me. But I would just keep coming back. You know, I'm Irish.

I don't quit, man. And then, you know, I learned more of the sweet science and, you know, went into the Navy. So you quit smoking just for boxing? Yeah, I quit smoking, yeah, for that reason. But when I was locked up, I didn't quit almost to the end because toward the end of your sentence, they allow you to go home because they want to reintegrate you back with your family or whatever. And I never grew up with my mom, so they would send us home. So we would take the carton of cigarettes and open it up very carefully, open up the cellophane carefully,

slide the cellophane down and put joints inside the cigarette pack, slide it back up, glue it, close the carton of cigarettes, and that's how we would get the weed back from the visits. Because I wasn't smoking weed coming back out of nobody's ass. That was not happening. I'm like, no thank you. So that was the process. And so that's why I quit

but the book came I had a lot of shit a lot of demons inside of me from what happened to me me and my two brothers were pretty severely abused in all kinds of ways in this foster home physically, mentally

sexually abused by the older kids in the home it was fucked up and I never told anybody but that was always something no matter how much I lived as a monk for two years a Hare Krishna monk nothing uh cured that fucking anger that was inside of me that I had toward these people for what they did to me and the secret of like yo it's fucked up to say like yo you're this dude from the streets you had knife fights with Puerto Ricans I got shot with a 22 in Forest Park selling angel dust I got stabbed and then to try to say yo this motherfucker molested me is it took a lot out of me to to and nobody knew it because I never talked

about it and I took McKee's class and that was the turning point because I went up to, and nobody knew it because I never talked about it. And I took McKee's class and that was the turning point because I went up to him and I was writing a script at the time based on what happened to me in the foster home. The kids in the screenplay, we based what happened to me in my younger period of my life. And I never told anybody what happened. I would just avoid that. But then when I started writing the book and I was taking his class, and between parts of his thing, when you went on a break, you could walk up to Robert McKee and ask him questions. So I said, Mr. McKee, as far as a protagonist who was abused as a kid, and he stopped me right there. And he said, listen, stop right there.

He said, McGowan, everybody uses it. It's a cliche, you know, abusive children to develop empathy for characters we could otherwise not give a fuck about. It's not what happens to somebody. It's what they do as a result of it. And that's the fucking light came on. And I mean, for years I would sit there and it took me seven years to write the evolution of a Cro-Magnon.

And I would get to that part of the story and I would lose my shit and break down crying like fucking uncontrollably because of what happened to me and my brothers. So I just skipped over that part, and I would never address it. But then, you know, he gave me the strength in a lot of ways to be able to say, hey, man, you got to tell. He wrote in my book, so I have his book, and he wrote to me.

He goes, John, always write the truth. And that's when I knew that that needed to come out in the book to cleanse myself. I've been two years on crack, 88 to 90 crack pills, doing whatever, getting shot at with fucking AR-15s, robbing deals. I had TOS or it was KOS at the time, kill on sight. I was a fucking maniac because I just didn't care. I actually kind of wished subconsciously that somebody would put a fucking bullet in me when you're doing crack. A lot of people get molested. Yeah. They almost act out to the point where they want someone else to do it for them because they don't want to live.

Yeah, I was definitely in a lot of ways that's what I was doing. else to do it for them because they don't want to yeah i was definitely in a lot of ways that's that's what i was doing but when i took uh his when that seminar helped me so much because it's really like he's really like a fucking a guru and a teacher man the man is amazing if you ever get a chance to take the robert mckee story seminar it's a three-day seminar i took it twice then he does workshops but the story seminar i just walked out of there after the third day it's 10 hours a day and you're just like you're fucking you're like speeches like what the fuck did I just experience it's incredible and and that gave me uh the power to to go and tell my story the right way and the amount of emails of people that I received that were like yo that shit was

done to me thank you for having the courage to tell the story and um you know I just kept writing after that so even the meat is for pussies uh book was you know if you read it it's tongue in cheek I'm not calling there's a lot of dudes that eat meat that could kick the shit out of me I'm not saying what I'm saying is, if you continue to lead a sanitary lifestyle and you eat this fucked up food that's out there, that they're putting out there, that they're knowingly putting out there to fucking poison you because they're tied in with the pharmaceutical companies, it's a racket. It's not a conspiracy. It's been proven that this is what they're doing. You will become a pussy dependent on the pharmaceutical companies to keep you alive.

If that's what you want, then this book is not for you. Put it back. So you got into Hare Krishnas, and you got into this whole consciousness trip from the bad brains, which is crazy. Think about that. People would assume you think of the hardcore scene. You're thinking of drugs and violence and tattoos and chaos.

So tell me about that. How did you get into hari krishna's i'm gonna tell you so um initially my first in my first interaction with rastafarians it was 1980 so i went to my ship was going to jamaica so when you go to any when you go yo y'all take this so you go to any port and they take you down on the mess deck and they show everyone you go here you go there they're like they show you these films so when we were getting ready to go to Jamaica they're like if you're gonna use and it's these like military films

from like the 60s if you're gonna use you know have sex with a prostitute make sure you use a prophylactic and then the next photo was a fucking Rastafarian with smoke coming out of every fucking orifice. And they're like, and under no circumstances should you talk to these people. They're just going to try to sell you drugs. So who the fuck do you think was the first people when I got off the ship?

Because I didn't hang out with like any of the dudes on my ship. got the fuck away from I was the only punk rocker I was wearing sex pistols destroy fucking t-shirts they're looking at me like I was already into punk rock since the 70s so I get off the ship and I meet this like 20 something year old fucking dread dread dude and he's like yeah man what you need i said listen you know i'm fucking smuggling some weed back i i want to i want to get take because this other sailor told me yo you go in there and you get them to take you to the carving shops and they carve out the fucking statue and they pack the lamb's bread in there and then seal up the statue and then i had a hook up with the uh the officer the guy who did the watch and counted so

say every fifth person you got searched so i was always avoiding that because i would hit the dude off with some weed or whatever the fuck it was so when i went to jamaica i asked this kid as soon as i got off the boat like there was no hotels in montego bay nothing it was just you took the ship the ship anchored out in the bay and you took a boat in and landed at the dock and it was just like some fucking ancient like crazy shit like that you would see back in the 1800s sailor port yeah sailor port and then this dude was eating his carton of fucking shit i'm like yo i'm like french fries and burgers at the time. And I'm like, yo, what the fuck are you eating? What is that shit?

He's like, yeah, man, it's Kalaloo and Aki. And he's like, man, you eat this, you'll live to be 150 terrasse. I was like, really? I said, let me check that shit out. Took one forkful and I just was like, this is fucking disgusting. That shit tastes like dirt, dude. What was it? It was Kalaloo. What is Kalaloo? Kalal this is fucking disgusting. That shit tastes like dirt, dude. What was it? It was callaloo.

What is callaloo? Callaloo is a green. It's like one of the most nutritious. Like a collard green? Yeah, it's like collard green. They have greens down there that don't really grow anywhere else. So I think it's like a combination of kale and collard greens. And then ackee is like this fruit, and it looks like it's yellow it looks

like a egg almost but if you eat aki when it's not ripe you'll die you get poison it's this type of thing like when the fruit opens up that it's like a red fruit if you eat it when it's not open you will die really yeah aki aki will poison you and. And then he was eating seaweed and beans. Anyway, so I went up into the hills. He took me. Now, I don't know if you like reggae, but I fucking love reggae. So do you know where Peter Tosh wanted Dreader alive? Do you know where that came from?

No. Okay, I'm going to tell you. So back in, I think it was 78, this cop, they hate the Rastafarians in Jamaica, by the way, because it's a big Christian. The Christians invaded that place and just fucking turned everybody into dogmatic fucking thinking people.

You know, what the white man does everywhere across the planet, you got to be my religion. Fuck everybody else. This is what's up. So they did that there. So what they call the Jamaicans, what the Rastafarians call the Jamaicans who don't grow knots. They call them ball heads, man. You know, like Bob Marley, crazy ball head.

So what they did with these guys, a cop tried to kill a Rastafarian and the Rastafarian killed the cop. So they put a bounty on every single Rastafarian wanted dead or alive. You could kill a Rasta and drag him to the precinct and collect a reward. So all the Rastas fled up into the hills and it was called the Green Bay Killings. They just started killing all these Rastafarians. and it was called the Green Bay Killings. They just started killing all these Rastafarians. So this guy brought me up into the hills and I met these Rastas and the Nyabingi,

the drummers and all that shit and the guy had the actual, because it was only like two, maybe three years prior to me going there in 1980 and I got to meet like these cats that survived that shit and they had the news clippings and all this shit. So that was like my first experience with the whole roster thing.

And then I met the Bad Brains one night. At first, Ian McKay and all them cats came down with Teen Idols and Untouchables. That was Henry's whole crew first. I know Henry's been on here. I'm pretty good friends with Henry. What's going on next week? Tell him I said what's up. I fucking love him, man.

I do too. He's a fucking great i do too he's a fucking great human being he's a beast and yeah he he like when i split the navy he let me stay at his house and i was eating his food and then after a week of him going to work and coming home his food's gone he's like all right john you gotta get the fuck out go somewhere not here but uh they played and then a week later uh i used to go during the middle of the day in my car in the Navy and go to happy hour. And I'm walking in, and the owner comes out. He's like, you got to see this fucking band.

You got to see this band. I'm like, all right, cool. I'm going in. He's like, no, you don't understand. They're fucking black, man, and they're incredible. they're fucking black man and they're they're incredible so i go upstairs and bad brains are sound checking and i'm just like what the fuck is this and if you haven't seen the bad brains i'll tell you the best video to watch 1982 cbgbs they got the whole set up there and if you want to have your shit blown away just watch that so that's what uh i actually sold their their manager acid i was selling acid

at the time so their manager i sold him acid but i got to talk with hr and he started telling me about this pma shit and and i told him yeah man i fucking got out of jail and went into the navy because i caught another case they offered me military military. Here we go. There's them right there. Yeah. Fucking amazing, dude. Will this get us taken off YouTube, you think? Yeah. Play a little bit.

That's the singer. He's the fucking maniac. He does a backflip perfectly on the end of this one song at the movies and lands it perfectly. That's at CB's in 82. Wow. I wasn't there. I was their roadie. I was in high school.

Yeah. So I was actually living as a Hare Krishna monk at the time in Hawaii. So how did the Hare Krishna thing? Well, I'm going to tell you. Okay. So what happened was they had, so I talked with HR. He said, yeah, man. It was really funny because they were all from DC but they talked with

Pat Twire I said yeah man jogging a range man we're gonna run into to each other again you know so uh I beat someone down on my shit pretty bad and I got caught for a drug case in Norfolk so I knew that they was trying to persecute me and uh you know send me to fucking prison and i was like really not gonna have that so my ship pulled out and we were going to like shell back to south america and um i had this there i was under you know basically under arrest because the fight it was a civilian case for the drugs i sold to an undercover cop outside of a club called King's Head Inn in Norfolk on Hampton Boulevard. They did punk shows. So I sold him LSD.

And he was an undercover cop. So I got arrested for that. And then that was pending. Meanwhile, I go on my shit. We go out to sea. This one redneck kept fucking with me. And he was like, fuck you, New York faggot. And, like, just, I'm like, dude, chill.

Like, you don't know me. Like, I'm not fucking with you. Just let it go, man. And he just wouldn't let it go. So I trapped him in the paint locker. I was a boasting mate. And I beat him with a fucking paint can in the soft tissue until he shit his pants.

Then they arrested me. So they had me under fucking ship's arrest and all this shit. And I got this bad infection. They had to medevac me off the ship back to Roosevelt Roads, Puerto Rico. And they forgot to say that I'm supposed to be handcuffed to the fucking bed. And then they cut. They didn't send those orders because this was pre-computer.

So the paperwork got fucked up. They gave me my ID and then they sent me back to Norfolk. And then I was just doing all my shit. So they just didn't know that you were supposed to be incarcerated? Yeah. They didn't know that you were supposed to be incarcerated? Yeah. They didn't know that I'm supposed to be a waiting court, probably court martial, whatever the fuck.

And then a civilian case, too. So then I was in Nimitz Hall, which is TPU, Transient Personnel Union, waiting for my ship to come back. And they were going to deal with it then. So I was there for like, I don't know, like a month and a half and they were like, yo, your ship, the dude I was cool with, he warned me, he goes, yo, your ship is fucking docking today. And I was like, fuck. I was like, I got to get the fuck out of here.

So I just packed up a couple of things and I got on the bus that used to go through the base and then roll out Hampton Boulevard. And as I'm fucking, they had already pulled in. And as I'm pulling out the gate in the seat, the fucking master at arms of my ship, the police are right there walking across the street to fucking Nimitz Hall to get me. And I just shrunk down in the seat. But if they would have looked up, that was it. I wouldn't be here telling you this story because my life would have taken a much different trajectory. So what happened was I went up and I hitchhiked with this band,

Undead, from New York, this punk band. Bobby Steele was in here. So were you AWOL at the time? Bobby Steele was an original misfit. So they played the 930 and they gave me a ride back to New York. And I get out the van and right there on Avenue A, 171, was motherfucking HR in the doorway where they recorded and lived. He's like, Rastafari! I'm like, fuck. And what happened was they were playing a show a couple days later

and there's a big Puerto Rican gang that was right there that didn't want them hanging out, so they went in there one night, and they killed people. I'm not going to say the name of the fucking gang because for whatever, you know, I'm not trying to out them like that, but they had the largest heroin cocaine spot in America. The feds busted them, knocked down their building, the whole shit. Alphabet City was out of fucking control.

So nobody, the Beastie Boys were there that night. Nobody would fight these dudes back. And I was on a fucking Quaalude, which is a gorilla biscuit. You think you got crazy strength. And I said to J.W. who was the engineer of this shit I was like yo let's get these motherfuckers man and he's like dude they kill people don't fuck with them they will kill you and I was like yo come on you fucking dudes you're punk rock you're supposed to be fucking tough let's fucking get these guys so they calmed me down but when I got outside the dude tried to stab me so I blocked

the knife and I hit him with an elbow and pop, pop, pop, knocked him down, smashed his head off the curb. Next thing I know, four of his homies come charging at me, yo, you white motherfucker, trying to stab me. And I used to wear a chain belt. And you can ask Henry, we all used to wear these chain belts with a quick release, a bike chain to fight people. Because in DC, it would be the Marines would fucking, or the rednecks would beat up the punk rockers. So I got in a chain fight with these motherfuckers, and I ended up, so I go to run back into 171 because I lost a chain, and one of the Beastie Boys

tries to slam the door on me to keep me out on the street. These motherfuckers want to kill me. I pushed my way in. I got stabbed in the shoulder, and then they put out a KOS on me they were like we're gonna kill that motherfucker nobody would hang out with me except for this one crazy Russian street fighter kid named James Concher that's the only dude so then I said I couldn't go down to Alphabet City at all they were waiting there with fucking guns and bats and like we're gonna kill that dude but because the bad brains were black they kind of squashed it over so but i went up there to face them and they surrounded me

like fucking dude was like ready to fucking off me and doc and daryl doc's the guitar player daryl's the bass player came running out yo yo yo yo yo chill chill and they were like you know he was just you know standing up like y'all came in there trying to stab everybody you would have done the same shit and the one dude's name was crazy eddie and uh he got i think he got murdered now but he did mad time and he just looked at me and it was that moment of the standoff where i didn't know what the fuck he was gonna do but he just goes out of all the white motherf where I didn't know what the fuck he was going to do, but he just goes, out of all the white motherfuckers over here, you're the only one with heart. We ain't never going to fuck with y'all again. Just don't hang out outside the storefront.

Because there was gigs at 171A. That's where Bad Brains played, Beastie Boys. And then the Bad Brains let me move in. And then they recorded that first album, which MCA for the Bad Brains, greatest hardcore punk album of all time, the raw cassette, the lightning bolt. I was there for the whole recording. And then they got me a job. And this is where the Hare Krishna thing comes in. I always come full circle. But so this punk band named The Dots,

who put out the first Bad Bra single jimmy quid was in the band and he put out a single called stay close to me and pay to come and vinnie worked at this health food store so they started giving us food and that's when i started changing over to the diet because bad brains were like you hr would be like you don't eat the fuckery. You don't eat the Babylon food. You got to eat ital. Ital is vital. Low-tal can be fatal. Talk me to the health.

What is ital? It means pure plant-based food. No oil. No fucking salt. No oil? Yeah, dude. It's the strict. It's like the forked oil.

What about like avocado oil? Yeah. Coconut oil. No, no. Like, if you take coconut and you fucking shred it down so fine that the oil comes out of it, that's fine. But they don't do processed oils. That's a different thing. When you process the oil, if you have health problems like what they proved in Forks Over Knives, then it becomes a toxic oil to the body.

And if you have any kind of heart conditions and stuff like that, you should really avoid it. So anyway, what they did was they got me, they were smart because they wanted me to give them free food, the bad brain. So they got me in the health food store. And the dude was like this hippie yogi dude hooked up with Satchitananda Swami. It was called Prana Foods. And he's like, well, you're going to do karma yoga when you first come in here in other words you're not gonna get any money you're gonna you know you can eat and it's karma yoga it's good for your karma so then i told everybody in the motherfucking neighborhood i was like yo i'm working at this health food store come over and get some food so bad brains would come and load up groceries i worked at juice bars giving out fucking sandwiches to the entire neighborhood

and dude is sitting there watching me and after the end of the day he goes excuse me did did any of those people pay for that food I go nah man that's that karma yoga shit you were talking to me about he's like you're on salary as of tomorrow do not give away any more food so then I was like I worked there for a little while and Vinny took me to the Hare Krishna temple on 55th Street. So I kept trying to defeat this dude philosophically. I was like, yo, bud. And he knew the whole philosophy of the Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita is where all the yoga sutras and all of that comes out of the Bhagavad Gita. And Prabhupada put out the Bhagavad Gita as it is, which was the original Bhagavad Gita from India.

And I kept trying to defeat it. Do you read the Bhagavad Gita? All the time, every day. I read Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam. What do you think Soma is? Who? Soma. What's the Soma?

Soma Ras. Soma Ras, that is a drink that they drink on the heavenly planets. It's a beverage on the heavenly planets that they get intoxicated from. Yeah, the big question is like what's in it? I don't know. No one knows. There's elements, you know, when people say, you think there's life on other planets? I'm like, what are you, a fucking Mama Luke?

Of course there's life on other, you think you're the only fucking life in the universe? Come on, man. Well, that's one of the things in the Bhagavadad gita is uh flying crafts and soma is one of them and yeah someone's one of the interesting things rather and soma they it's some sort of a psychedelic concoction but nobody knows exactly what it is they think it might be a combination of several things they think for sure psilocybin's in it but they think it might also be hashish that hashish might be in it yeah i mean it there's other there's elements in the in the upper planetary system that brahma loka and all these different planets in this in the solar system the vedic astrology is much different than uh

the western astrology so they talk about planets way above earth you know that what are they when you they're teaching you the bhagavad-gita though what do they describe soma as like what do they think they called it soma ras and it that was a beverage that's drunk in the heavenly planets it's not available on the earth planet is is uh the demigods drink soma ras demigods on on other planets that's the only time people drink it i mean i thought yeah i mean you have shiva the the Shivites smoke the ganja and stuff like that. And I don't know, you know, they put the ashes of the crematorium on their bodies and stuff like that. But they, you know, the thing about, there's four principles in the Hare Krishna when you live as a Brahmachari monk, which I did, and it's no intoxication at all. No eating of meat, fish, eggs, none of that.

No gambling and no illicit sex so i was actually a 100 brahmachari celibate monk for how long for two years and i trained martial arts in hawaii in the hills with this one black dude who was fucking fierce and he was a brahmachari too so we would train and completely celibate i was getting up two o'clock every single day in the morning i was in bed by eight and training and working and just you know trying to heal my uh my soul but that came because when i first was going to the temple i wrote i would write down my questions i know i'm gonna get these motherfuckers tomorrow because i was reading gorjeev krishnamurti ramdas like i studied i you know i saw all those guys uh i went to see uh krishnamurti speak and meditate i was i was just eating it up like once that light came on uh metaphysically for the meditation and the yoga and everything, I just went full fucking bore into it.

So it started from the health food store. Yeah, because I worked. So the health food store got you in there. Vinny Signorelli, who's now the drummer for The Unsane, he still plays drums. He was in The Dots. He was in Turbo Hydromatics, a bunch of bands in New York. And he just started hitting me with questions.

What do you think this is what do you think I was like I don't know man and then after giving me this book he gave me this book called the science of self-realization and I read it and I was like dude this yoga master A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada I was like I gotta find out more where is this guy and he said oh he left the planet in 77 but you could go to the temple and see the whole process. I was like, yo, I want to go. And I went and they had this ceremony and it's called Greeting of the Deities. And then the song that gets played, George Harrison plays bass on it.

And I was like, yo, it was from the Brahma Samhita. And I was, I just was attracted to it. Everything I'd known in my life was pain and violence and just fucking crazy I mean you know so it was a pathway to some sort of an escape from the the trappings of your past it was a pathway to enlightenment it was a pathway to peace absolutely peace but some of the most fierce warriors and what I loved about Bhagavad Gita is spoken on a battlefield between Krishna and Arjuna. Arjuna was a Chhatria. Krishna's, this line, this Sampradaya comes from the warrior class. And if you read any books on martial arts, they're going to tell you

martial arts originated in India. The original martial arts school were all in India. And at one point, Sankacharya chased all the Buddhists out of India and they fled across the Himalayas into China. So this is actual history and you can see where the martial arts spread out across the planet. But a lot of things that are around today originated in India. So to me, that really, I was always in, you know, I was a street fighter. I messed around even, you know, with some going to martial arts schools. Always on the outskirts, though. I even went and trained with Ron Van Cleef when he had his school in New York.

No shit. Yeah, but he would always be training police forces and I was the only white dude in the class and it was all blacks and Puerto Ricans

and when it came time to spar they beat the shit out of me I was getting fucking wrecked by the black belts but I have a

you know there was no light sparring back then no nobody sparred light back then there was schools Victor Vega

Ron Van Cleef Ron taganashi this dude doc uh uh this other dude named rodan who ran his school university of streets they would run from into the dojo like 20 dudes and just all out fucking brawl yeah like even brian callan his teacher and all these guys they trained under master cho Master Choi, some named Choi, and he encouraged you to fight. Yeah. You are training to fight. It was very common back then. Yeah.

That was a big part of it because you had to develop people that could actually perform in competition, and one of the best ways to do that was to have challenge matches. Yeah. So like when you're talking about smokers. Yeah. to do that was to have challenge matches. So like when you're talking about smokers, they used to allow that in LA up until real recently. The last 10 years or so, they banned smokers. But you used to be able to get your experience in actual fights in a smoker. And that was a little bit more prepared

than the dojo storming days. But the dojo storming days, that's how a lot of people got good. It's like you have real fights. You would go in there, some guy would come from another school and you knew you're going to hit each other as hard as you could it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't really sparring well i'll tell you a lot of that spun into gang bonds too because a lot of the people that were the martial arts teacher this one dude jr he's famous he was in the new york times he was one of the biggest heroin

traffickers on the low east side he was one of the first guys to get busted under the Rico statue. He did the full 25. And he trained all of the dudes that sold for him. And all his street soldiers were all trained in martial arts. So a lot of these guys were doing shady shit behind the scenes. Because that's what Alphabet City and the Lower east side and that's what new york was about i'm actually good friends with uh timoc oh no shit yeah timoc from the last dragon timoc's father is a hari krishna his name is cosmo i met him in uh la like fucking 20 years ago he came to a show

i was like that's the last dragon yeah well you know he I won't say names, but he outed somebody that tried to do some shit to him and they blackballed him in Hollywood. And the guy said, you're never going to make another motherfucking movie. And he hasn't. He got fucking, dude. You know what happened to Hulk Hogan? Somebody tried to fuck Hulk Hogan. Yeah. Can you imagine? You've been around Hulk Hogan? He's a giant human being.

And some guy was like, I'm going to suck your dick. And he's like, no, brother. Like, for real. Step up to the Slim Jim. This is like this Terry Crews thing. A lot of people have made fun of Terry Crews because how does this big stud of an athlete, who cares if who grabs your dick, just swat that guy in the head. But he's saying, no, this is a systemic problem when you have people that are in the head but he's saying no this is like a this is a system systemic

problem when you have people that are in power and they control your destiny and that's there's a lot of that a lot of that they'll ruin you man and they did a lot of people listen like the whole like it's a you know the whole me too shit first of all my mother was raped twice so if some dude is pushing his uh weight around uh on a on a female i think that shit's fucked up and then they're gonna turn around and fucking fuck these people i say fucking get him the fuck out of there and i'm gonna tell you a story because um julia phillips and michael phillips they you know they fucking produced one of my favorite movies of all time which was taxi driver and uh close encounters they did all those movies she wrote a book called you'll never do lunch in this

town again in the 80s she had the crow mags come and play in a movie at the ritz they flew us off the motorhead tour picked us up in limos she wanted the shit to be lip sunk i said nah if you want the crow mags it's a fucking real show and we're gonna fucking lay it down we had like a thousand of our fans there ankle tape everything dude just crazy shit and two people broke their necks during the shooting so the movie is called it's called the beat yeah but the thing was she was one of the first people to put out and expose these fucking scumbags for doing that shit uh to to people in hollywood and exposed a lot of that in a book you'll never do lunch in this town

again and when the book came out she was on the set for interview with a vampire and they came and pulled her off the set and she was fucking blackballed from fucking hollywood she never made any more fucking movies and then even this is all pre-internet this is what this was pre-internet get away with things like yeah and she just fucking put up the middle finger to all of them like fuck you she she passed away of cancer but she was like a real fucking punk rocker man she fucking took on the system the boys club in hollywood and uh you know even the shit i don't know how legit the cory fellman you know stuff is i i know him and whatever but like he's saying it's a problem that you don't yeah it's like one of those things where i don't know what to do here yeah it seems there's like you know some shenanigans

but i know that it's something happened yeah i know it i know it goes on something happened it's not just him i mean that the list is a mile long and for everybody that comes forth there's a million people that are sitting back going i don't want to say anything because i don't want to take that shame on well that's what happened with me you know it was the same thing like uh you know you have this rep and whatever the fuck but that's all false ego even all of that stuff like yeah and then the person that i was with at the time uh said you know this story is going to help a lot of people by you coming forward and saying what happened to you and how you're dealing with it now. And that's what I even did. I got this new book, The PMA Effect, coming out.

And the whole shit is about healing people and help. I mean, I've helped thousands of people kick drugs, kick suicidal thoughts. And, you know, it's not that I'm like, I'm turning him into a vegan. It's like, dude, I'm going to show you the system that worked for me. That's all I can do is tell you, I'm like the fucking mailman. You know, I'm just delivering the fucking mail to you. I didn't come up with it, but I'm showing you the yoga the plant-based diet the meditation the training constant fucking training well through all the things you're doing you're committed and you're you're disciplined and that's attractive to people right people look to for people that are doing things that they wish they were doing yeah so they see someone i mean that's the whole

cult of personality right they see you they see. You got this powerful personality and you're positive and you're doing things. And people gravitate to that and they want to be a part of that. I mean, that's what happens with people. But the first thing that I said, and I said it because Vice did a whole 18-minute special on me. If you just Google fucking vegan Iron Man, and shit comes up. They did an 18-minute documentary. And one of the things I said first off is don't say you can't do it. You could do any fucking thing you apply yourself to.

You just haven't tried. You could do what I'm doing. And I'm going to tell you, I go to races, these Ironmans all over the fucking world, and these guys show me pictures. One guy was fucking he lost a hundred fucking pounds dude he was so depressed he was on meds for depression so everything that i'm doing is coming out of service it's it's service to help people it's not i come at them

right from the same fucking platform i'm like and even the vaders what does it say you should think of yourself lower than the straw in the street more tolerant than a tree Vedas, what does it say? Trinanapisane chenantrava vashyuhishnanamani dhamanayaya kedani yasadahari. You should think of yourself lower than the straw in the street, more tolerant than a tree, always ready to offer respects to others. In that state of mind, one can constantly chant the holy names of Hare Krishna. So that's the philosophy. So where is the false ego in thinking I'm better than you because I eat a motherfucking vegetable and you eat a fucking piece of meat or whatever it's not about that it's about trying to help people and

have compassion to people and that's something that's really getting lost in this world is compassion everybody wants to kick people when they're down and I just don't understand where this fucking sickness came from and I think a lot of it has to do with reality TV and this whole microwave insta-fame fucking culture that exists now. It's like what you said. They think that if they put down somebody, they're going to gain power from it. It's just crazy. I don't come from that. I come from like, yo, man, let's help one another to make this world a

better place how are we going to save the oceans how are we going to save you know and you know my thing is this look they just said that the the fucking commercial meat and dairy industries are now the most toxic uh they're the most toxic toxic companies on the fucking planet. They just surpass fossil fuel with the destruction they're doing to the planet. So I'm like, eat a little less meat. Where is this coming from? It was just all on, where did I read it? It was on one of the main sites.

So is this from methane gas? Is it from runoff? Fossil fuels, runoff. Look, here's the thing. So before that Gulf oil spill ever happened, there was a fucking dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico the size of New Jersey. Why? All the fucking runoff of the CAFOs and the farms with the fucking toxic pesticides,

all the shit that these guys are spraying roundup and everything else and and the nitrogen that's in the fucking shit when these lagoons that have a hundred thousand fucking gallons of pig shit you know it all was draining into the into the mississippi and then draining into the gulf so if you look at what's going on in north carolina right now because i was just there motherfuckers can't even swim in the fucking rivers anymore and it's happening in europe too they just had to cancel the swim on uh the iron man in in hamburg because of the green allergy and all the shit that's happening now because of all the runoff that's happening with

the farms and everything it's just we're making this planet a fucking toxic wasteland well what we've done with farms and it's gotten we we develop cities we have giant groups of people that aren't growing anything and then we've given people incentive to make as much profit as possible and when they're trying to make as much profit as possible without ethics or morals and consideration or or the impact on environment, they set off a process in motion that we are many, many decades into right now. So to try to correct it now, we're just seeing the effects. And then on top of that, there's all these ag-gag laws.

And the ag-gag laws are devastating. Because when you see, like, one of the reasons I became a hunter is because I was watching these films of factory farming. And I was like, I'm not participating in this. I have to figure out what I'm going to do. I'm either going to become a vegetarian or I'm going to become a hunter. I decided to become a hunter and that's how I get my meat. But when you see those videos, those are the videos that expose people to the realities and the horrors of factory farming.

And those are illegal in most places. Yeah, you go to prison now you go to prison for showing horrible immoral acts that are done to these animals and the way they're treated and the way they're contained and we were talking yesterday about um this video of a pig farm that there's this there's this pig farm where these pigs are smashed into this place where they can't move at all. They're all in these cages. Crate. And then there's a runoff from where they shit and piss, and there's a giant lake outside of pig shit and pig piss. And no one who lives anywhere near that can avoid that smell. You drive anywhere near that area, it's a horrific, toxic smell.

So it's already gotten to this almost, like, incorrectable position. Like, that business is a toxic business. But it's not a regular, like a Joel Salatin farm. You know who that guy is? No. You ever heard of him? He runs this farm called Polyface Farms. And what he does is he has all these animals live like normal animals.

Like the pigs, they're not in these cages. He has them roam free. And they set up these enormous portable fences. So they take the pigs, they roam in this one area like pigs naturally do and then they move the fence to a different area and they transport, they move the pigs over with it. So the pigs

are never contained. The chickens run free. And then they go back into the chicken house at night. And then they try not to have monocrops. Like when you have a thousand acres of soybeans, that shit ain't normal yeah that's not how plants are supposed to be and then you have to throw pesticides on them and then when you're rolling them up you have to grind everything up with these gigantic machines and everything gets caught up in there mice and rabbits and everything that might be in the in the neighborhood while these machines are rolling over

all that is unnatural and it's not how human beings are supposed to grow food. It's not how food is supposed to be. It's not how these plants or animals are supposed to be interacting with the environment. But what we're doing with these things is making incredible amounts of profit. And these people are addicted to this profit. These corporations are addicted to this profit. They have this constant growth mentality where every year every quarter has to have more there's a never-ending and they make and they make the laws and the only that's the other thing well

they have massive amounts of money so they bribe politicians and they use all of these uh these lobbyists and what they do is they get these laws passed where it's illegal to film them doing immoral shit and so then you don't see this. You just go to the store and you buy a cheeseburger. You go to Jack in the Box. You go wherever you go and you buy these things. You get corn, you know, or you get corn syrup in your soda. You don't think twice about what has to happen for that corn to become syrup and how much environmental damage has to take place.

Right. to become syrup and how much environmental damage has to take place. I mean, the world we're living in right now is just waking up to what has been in motion for many, many decades. Right. I think what's really important, though, is that we're honest about health and that we're honest about the consequences of our actions in terms of our purchasing power, what we're doing with food. We've got to be honest about all of it. And one of the problems that happens with hunters or carnivores or even vegans or vegetarians

is people only want to look at things that support their position. And with vegans, there's a lot of people out there that only want to look at things that support vegan positions in terms of health. And this becomes a real problem because they start they start using studies that are very shaky they start adding things to documentaries that aren't necessarily true or proven and it becomes propaganda and it becomes propaganda both ways I see with this carnivore diet now there's a lot of people that with this carnivore diet that are like this is the only way to go you know just eat all meat and I'm like man i don't know about all that i don't see any blood work i see blood work only i talked to um uh

sean what is his last name sean the the doctor god damn it the fuck he's the the main carnivore guy how can i not remember his name what is how how is that slipping my my sean baker sean baker sean baker he released his blood work it's not good yeah his blood work's not good testosterone's low there's also all sorts of issues and i just want to say uh who are the hosts let's just look at it this way who are the hospitals filled with that are having procedures for bypass who are the procedures being done for people removing their limbs for diabetes? It's not the people that's, it's the people that are eating this toxic diet that Americans, the standard American diet and what people have become accustomed to eating, rolling up and even

these carnivore people, let's just take that for instance. If you do all meat sure your body let that motherfucker might have been on a dorito diet we don't know what the fuck he was eating prior prior to that so then you put the body's a perfect machine so at the beginning of when you're doing all meat the body's becoming accustomed to that but you know the analogy that i use is that's like getting off heroin and getting on methadone because the methadone yo i kicked dope but i'm on fucking meth now because the methadone down the road is going to take even a longer toll and i've seen people that are doing methadone for 20 30 years and that's why i love the analogy because the long-term studies of those diets do not exist right now. No, there's no long-term studies for the carnivore diet.

But if you look at the blue zones around the planet of the people who were the most centurions and the people that lived the longest, they have three things in common. Okay? And there's blue zones in Japan, Costa Rica, Greece. Iran. United States. Well, the top Iran, United States. Well, the top five with the most. And then California.

And it's the Adventists, the seven-day Adventists. So the three things that they have most in common with the people that live the longest, number one, they have a meditation spiritual practice. They do something every day for PMA, for positive mental attitude. Whatever their higher power is, they do that every day for PMA, for positive mental attitude. Whatever their higher power is, they do that every day. Number two, they move their bodies. They're working. They work in the farm. They're exercising.

Number three, they eat primarily a plant-based diet. They may have a piece of fish in Japan or whatever or a piece of meat once in a while but primarily the seven day the Adventist study was actually the best one because it was all from different people with different ethnic backgrounds and the one thing that they had in common the seven day of menace don't eat meat and that's my point with the whole thing and you know when it comes down to diet is I just see what worked for me. And I try to relay that to people and not be like my way is the only way and this and that. Because people are doing other things in their way.

There's raw foodists. There's all these different people. And the problem is with the false ego in a human being everybody wants to think that the class is full don't try to tell me shit I know it all here's an issue with centurions centurions how do you say it? centurions? centenarians? yeah I think it's centenarians yeah people that live to be a hundred years this is one thing we have to take into consideration you're talking about people that lived already to be 100 years. So when they were 50, it was 50 years ago.

All right. We're talking about 1967. Nobody knew shit about diet back then. This is a fact. Right. Okay. So the people that did live that long and they were living this, it's almost an accident in some ways or inconsequential. Like what is going on today with people's diet and how long will people live today?

There's far more information in terms of like nutrition and what you should do and shouldn't do for your body. So what I'm concerned with is like what optimizes people today? I want to see blood work. I want to see like what is going on with your blood lipids. What is going on with your nutrient levels? What is going on with that? And in that

case we don't have we have just a few studies from a few people or a few tests from a few people that have done this carnivore diet we have some people that have done the vegan diet and have had real hard problems with that yeah but let's just let me just say one thing because to throw the word vegan on something that does not make it a healthy diet. I know vegans that are fucking 100 pounds overweight, they eat nothing but fried tofu. Vegan pizza. If you say an organic, whole food, plant-based diet, that's what I roll with. I don't fucking say I...

It's a good point. A vegan diet could mean anything, but when you say whole food, foods in their original source, organic, no pesticides, whole food, plant-based diet, that's what I roll with. So that's why I don't go around. Nutrient dense.

Nutrient dense. Mineral dense. And this is one of the things that's important with people that live a long time. One of the things that you get from a lot of plants, especially like rich, green, leafy plants, you get a lot of minerals. Absolutely. And more importantly, if these things are raised in an organic environment, you're getting soil that's not depleted. And this is a big problem with monocrops. Did you see the article that just came out today that 40 years ago an orange was 10 times more nutritious?

I think it might have been CNN online or something. They posted an article that said the fruits and vegetables from 40 years ago were 10 times more nutritious than the way they're being grown today because, like you said, rows and rows and rows. It makes sense. How do they extract the nutrients properly from the soil? It's impossible. Well, you know, they have to actually add nutrients to the soil. Most of the time they're just adding nitrogen and a few other different minerals.

But there's mineral depletion. Or pig shit. Like what they do is to get, how do they get rid of that pig shit? Yeah. They're spraying it on the fucking crops. Yeah. And, you know. Well, you're supposed to rotate crops.

Crop rotation, what you plant next to each other. Right. I'm not a farmer, composting, but I have a friend that is an organic farmer. And his name is Keith. And he farms up in like New Hampshire. And he knows all about crop rotation. Keith Leon Forte. If you have a small farm, you can do it. He's a Hare Krishna dude. That's's what he does he has a small farm small farms are legit like you can have a small farm and be in symbiosis like you can you could be in harmony with the land but man you're starting you're growing you know fucking a thousand acres of corn for cattle feed there's you might as well be making oil well i mean you're you're you're doing something that's kind of crazy to that environment. It's not natural.

And listen, you know, I saw Ted Nugent play with fucking ACDC and Black Sabbath in 76 at Madison Square Garden. I went to all them shows. But, you know, when he came on and the shit that he was talking, I was just like, the fucking GMO crops, okay? 80% of the GMO crop is being fed to animals for fucking slaughter the what he called the stupid vegans are not the ones that are eating that shit that most of the crops that are genetically modified because you have these corporations mcdonald's every one of these corporations they want every fucking piece of meat to taste the same they want every fucking piece of meat to taste the same. They want every fucking French fried potato to be the same. So the only way they can control it is the control of the genetic markers.

So that's why they're changing the name because Monsanto has such a big rep. I don't, rep, if you don't know it, Bayer just bought them. Yeah, I know. Now, do you know the history of Bayer? Pharmaceutical company. No, but IG Farben.

No, prior to that, they made the Zyklon gas that went into the Nazi death chambers. Well, that's, you know what's funny? That Zyklon gas was created by fritz haber fritz haber is also the guy who created the process of extracting nitrogen from the air really so he's the guy the reason why we can grow the kind of crops that we have today is because of fritz haber they say that 50 of the nitrogen and most the nitrogen in most people's dna comes from theer method. He also created Zyklon A.

Zyklon A is an— It was Zyklon B gas, which the Nazis— Well, he created Zyklon A, and they added this smell to it so that you could smell this toxic gas so you would know it when it was coming so you could get out of the way. The Nazis switched it to Zyklon B. Fritz Haber was actually a Jew, and they took his invention and cut out the smell portion of it so that they could gas Jews with it. It's dark shit. I said Joe's a smart motherfucker I'm learning some shit here today. It's dark shit. The Haber method saved a lot of people and killed a lot of people. They wanted to try that guy for crimes against humanity while he was winning

the Nobel Prize for science at the same time. That's insane. He was one of the first people that implemented a gassing program where they used it to gas the Allied troops in World War I. That was Haber. Haber was a big part of that. I did not know that. Yeah, it's crazy shit. So that is how we get nitrogen.

We get nitrogen from the Haber method when they're pouring nitrogen into the soil so they can grow plants. That's a big part of it. When you say genetically modified, too, a big part of that is we want to think about labs and science and all this jazz. But almost everything we eat is genetically modified, including all of our grains, especially all of our fruits and vegetables. What you're saying about tomatoes or orange being different than it was 10 years ago fucking everything's different yeah because they want these things to be durable so they could throw them in a bus or a truck rather and travel across the country and sell them somewhere well here's the thing and i know what they do they take the the the dna of a flounder and inject it in a tomato so it can resist the fraud.

How the fuck do they do that? I don't fucking know, man. Is that real? That's real. So if you eat a tomato, does it have flounder in it? Now, vegans, if you're eating GMO shit,

maybe you're not eating vegan food. You could be eating a fish tomato. Well, one thing is if you eat plants, plants absorb, like they've found salmon DNA in some plants because plants absorb the fish that people use for fertilizer yeah you know so you're getting some of that animal but it's a natural cycle that

you're getting it through i mean animals eat animals plants eat animals animals even eat plants i mean there's fucking crazy plants in south america it looks like a like a vase and these rats they get attracted to sweet smell around the edges and it's slick and they fall into the hole and the plant closes in on them and swallows them and eats them yeah well well you know the other thing is this you have chemical companies making your food their job is not to feed the world there's a lot not to keep you healthy their job is to sell fucking pesticides let's let's be fucking straight up about it so yeah they created what was the other uh cross uh genetic there's a there's a a vegetable i think it was brought was it cauliflower or broccoli they they mixed two things and came out with.

It's a different process what they're doing now. And really what they do when they can take Roundup and pesticides and put it in the fucking seed is what they're doing now. So the plant from the growth cycle is resistant to these bugs. And all the people that are having the gut issues, I don't know if you listen, you know, I know you had Rich Roll on twice. He's my fucker boy. He's a homie. He's a great dude. Dude, he's fucking, everyone asks me, like,

what's that motherfucker like in real, what's he like in real life? I'm like, that's the most genuine fucking dude, you know, you ever have anything going on. He just wrote the foreword to my new book, The PMA Effect. I mean, he's such a fucking he's a solid cat very solid but uh where was i going with that you took me down plants glyphosate yeah so he just had dr zach bush come on who's a doctor this is clinical research this is not speculation

this is not fucking vegan propaganda this is fucking science and he proved that glyphosate and what's happening now with the gut health of it gut health is such a huge issue yeah everything the bad fucking disease it starts in the gut and the glyphosate is eating through the stomach wall and causing leaky gut and all these other uh uh physical uh diseases from happening now the other thing is you have to realize what these pesticides are. They're neurotoxins. And then the ones that they're putting inside the seed, when the bug eats the leaf, it fucking dies.

So you're eating these fruits and vegetables that are completely fucking toxic. Well, here's what happens. When they created it, one of the reasons why they were able to implement it, they said it doesn't kill people. It kills plants and it kills bacteria. So everybody's like, oh, fine. No problem. It only kills plants and bacteria.

That's totally safe. No, your body is filled with bacteria. Good bacteria. Your gut has more E. coli than there's ever been a human being on the planet ever. There's more E. coli in your stomach than any humans that have ever lived. More numbers. And you need them. You need the bacteria.

This gut flora gets destroyed by glyphosate. It gets destroyed by roundup. That's, I mean, that podcast that he did, that episode with Dr. Zach Bush, it's fucking unbelievable. And I'm surprised, like, you know, motherfuckers didn't try to take that dude out at this point. Well, they're making so much money and people aren't listening and there's so much signal. There's so many noises going on. And they use the word that everyone loves to use, the two words, conspiracy theorists.

Yeah, that's a good one. But here's the thing. Once you can prove something and there's data and evidence to back it up, it's no longer a theory. It's a fucking fact. Well, it's no longer a theory it's a fucking fact so it's not even a conspiracy it's just reality and by the way when they implemented it they probably did think that they could get away with it they think it would have been fine they really probably didn't know as much as we know today about gut biome right that's all new shit that's all within the last couple of decades and this stuff was already yeah a lot of probiotics how about prebiotics yeah kimchi is fucking amazing yeah i drink a lot of i eat a lot of

yeah i drink a lot of kombucha eat a lot of kimchi that's where i get it from primarily yeah that's good stuff yeah i mean gut biome is gigantic you know to the point where people make memes joking around about me saying gut biome because i say it so much and and you know the other reason that i was i didn't know where this whole uh conversation would go because i have respect for you as a martial artist like i said i know brian since the 80s and you know he always talked about you but rich roll wrote you and said that i was up at his house and heard that i was coming on a podcast and you responded to him in a text message and said, yeah, it's so fucking toxic what's going on.

Like, I just want to sit down with him. Yeah, it's another form of identity politics. You know, and people, look, there's a lot of people that I'm friends with that have all sorts of, they agree with things that I don't agree with. They have ideas that I don't agree with. I mean, you're allowed to have varying opinions. That's what human beings are all about. we're supposed to be able to communicate our ideas but you're not my enemy if you eat plants that's crazy right and the problem is i eat plants too i

eat a shitload of them like this idea that you know that vegans and meat eaters are supposed to be enemies i mean i hang out strange listen man i'm gonna tell you straight up i hang out with dudes that fucking eat mcdonald's like i have friends like i don't look like i said i'm gonna tell you straight up i hang out with dudes that fucking eat mcdonald's like i have friends like i don't look like i said i'm not the fly looking for the shit you know i try to look to the positivity of every human being and some of them eat meat my brother fucking my my brother eats meat i'm supposed to hate my brother because my brother eats fucking meat. You know, it's just like, like you said, it's identity politics. And I don't roll with that because if in my line of work and what I'm doing, which is getting people out of some really dark fucking shit in their lives,

like this documentary I'm doing now called 30 to Life, the shit that these fucking inmates have been through. And, you know, I met one guy. He did 50 fucking years, man. And he's 90 years old. And his story is he's in Amity Foundation. He's out now? He just got paroled after 50 years. 90 years old.

I got a picture of him in my fucking phone. But listen to his story. Before you judge a motherfucker because they got locked up, he served in World War II in the Army. He served in Korea in the Army. He had his friends fucking blown up in front of him. Fucking, he's seen shit we can't even imagine in two wars. Korea, you know what them motherfuckers went through over there with the cold

and fucking they couldn't even bury the bodies, bro. They had you know what them motherfuckers went through over there with the cold and fucking, they couldn't even bury the bodies, bro. They had to fucking stack them with, you know, just insane. And he came back and went onto the streets with PTSD. They didn't even know what the fuck PTSD was back then when he was going through it. And some shit happened,

which I did not, he got double life. So obviously something really bad happened. And I don't know the circumstances. But he's 90 fucking years old right now. And he survived the riots in Folsom. He survived insane fucking shit. And I'm like, yo.

And he's out now? He's out now. There's a fucking picture of him. Show me the picture. What is it like when you. And he's out now? He's out now. There's a fucking picture of him. Show me the picture. What is it like when you're out after fucking 50 years in prison? Dude, and he's the most humble, genuine fucking dude. All of these guys. We're training to do a 5K, and Rich Roll is leading the run.

And I just got Nike to fucking give them all uh air pegasus new fucking sneakers these guys are in fucking tears man they're like nobody gave a fuck when we first went in there and met these brothers one of the one of the biggest toughest scariest motherfuckers broke down in fucking tears and was like yo nobody gave a fuck about me, man. The fact that you guys are coming in here and doing this for us, you don't know how much this means to me. And, I mean, he had to leave the room. He was crying. Here, I'm going to show you the picture of this cat.

I mean, that's why I do. Here, this is him right here. Read that text. Wow. Wow, look at him there, man. That's crazy. And he's trying to hit on all the female camera girls and shit. Like, he's a fucking Papi Chulo, I nicknamed him.

Oh, I lost it. Oh, you did? Sorry. Just disappeared on me. Yeah, right here. Wow. Yeah, he served in both wars honorably, PTSD. And I think, you know, he said people fucked with him on the streets.

So what is he doing with his life now? He's in this program, so they get paroled to this program called Amity Foundation, and they serve out their sentence and try to reintegrate them. So what I did was, when I pitched it, and and it's Kip who did what the health and, and cowspiracy and whatever. And I, I, I hooked up with Paul DeGelder.

I don't know if you know him. He's the Australian Navy SEAL guy. He lost his arm and leg to the bull shark. Oh yeah. We were talking about him yesterday. That mother carbon fiber is dude. He's one of the baddest motherfucking most positive people you'll ever meet.

His fucking story is insane. I just read it. It's crazy seeing him walk around with that fake arm and fake hand. Like, he looks totally normal. He gave me a fucking, like, I was sitting in the chair and he came up and was like,

I heard like, like the hand, and I'm like, motherfucking, he almost ripped my fucking shoulder out. The hand's strong? Dude, it's fucking, he's like, yeah, you know.

There he is. There he is. Wow. Because, you you know i had to be really careful because you know i used to take care of my business with the right hand and then like you know that's so crazy man yeah dude a bull shark took his arm and leg and now he's on the discovery channel shark week and he fights for ocean conservation because if you kill the lead predator in the oceans and the culling that's going on. So I contacted him and I go, Paul, I'm going to tell you right now. The whole vegan shit is becoming this shit for rich fucking people. And the people that really need it are the ones they can't afford $25 to go to a veg fest and all this shit. It's becoming this pompous fucking shit.

And the food. And you go to try to have a fucking meal and it's like fucking 50 bucks and just in fucking appetizers. And the people that really need it are not getting access to this. And I saw 13th, the documentary about the prison industrial complex in America. Did you see that? So you know what's going on. Yeah.

And I was like- Prison is basically slavery. Slavery. There's a loophole in the law that if you're incarcerated and do a crime, that you can be put to work and not get paid. You get a dollar. They're in there making Victoria's Secret fucking underwear and all this other shit. It's fucking crazy.

It's crazy. So it really fucking lit a fire under my ass. And I said, Paul, I said, a lot of these documentaries are like, you know, I eat vegan and I got big muscles and fucking whatever the fuck. I'm like, what about the motherfuckers that really need it? What did I go through? I've been through fucking hell as a kid. I was on the streets of New York.

I went to, I was in the same place Mike Tyson was Spofford in the Bronx only white dude in the whole fucking place fucking went upstate did all this shit I'm like what changed me man it was this process I said the people that need this shit they're not getting access to it I said let's come up with something and fucking help these people let's go fucking help these dudes who are coming out of prison and then we contacted kip he's like i want to direct it me and me and paul wrote up the whole treatment and uh and then they contacted we were going to try to put him in an air you know these dudes in a house and then we found uh the producer uh found uh elizabeth who's the producer african-american chick these girls are

fucking their money man they're fucking great dawn and they found this place called amity foundation and they're like they're already doing this they they have them in here they're doing meditation drum circles american indian chants so much like when you were young and your life was filled with turmoil and chaos, you found the Hare Krishnas, you found this discipline in becoming a monk and sticking to this plant-based whole foods diet. But it became your ideology. It became your life. It became like a path.

And this is what a lot of people need. They need a path. It gives them a feeling of purpose. It gives them an identity. And made to feel like they matter and that's what society has taught these motherfuckers that they don't matter and they even punish you after you do your time that's why they're trying to do they're trying to sign this legislature that's uh do away with the box i don't know if you heard about that in california you have to check off a box that you've been convicted of a crime.

So they're trying to do away with that because, yo, you did your time. You served your fucking, you served your time. You know, you served your debt to society. Why should you continue to be fucking punished? And they can't even get a job working anywhere because no one will fucking hire them. And they can't even get a job working anywhere because no one will fucking hire them. So it's a whole. So what we're doing is I have Dante Ross coming in.

He's, you know, been in the hip hop game forever. One of the dudes wants to be a rapper. Another dude wants to play guitar. I just hooked up with Yamaha. They're going to give him a guitar amp, all this shit uh Tal Ronan who owns Crossroads uh restaurant which I heard you talking about so I listened to your podcast Joe you're talking about you were talking about uh that's Travis Barker's place well he's an investor yeah so Travis but Tal Ronan is the chef that runs it that place is supposed to be amazing I want dude fucking Tal

said tell him to come in fucking have a fucking dinner they do fucking everything man crazy food he's like he's Oprah's chef dude and he cooked for the Dalai Lama

he's like Oprah's looking kind of thick yeah I don't know what she eating I know she ain't vegan I don't know or plant based or whatever

she's eating plant based some of the time some of the time Snickers bar son or who knows yeah who knows yeah Yeah, who knows? Yeah, but it was about giving these guys facility to change their lives. And that's what this documentary Dirty Life is.

Because they told me, go out on this tour for 30 days. You're going to change your motherfucking life. And that's what I did. And I stuck with it. And the training and everything that I do for Ironman and, you know, just I'm on my fucking 11th Ironman. I'm on the road constantly with the Cro-Mags, touring. I'm in the gym every day.

I'm not trying to be a fucking, you know, 90-pound fucking Ironman dude. I still hit the weights, hit the bags, do whatever. I'm all about recovery now uh my friend aaron uh drago's and jogazowski uh runs recovery in new york city so i'm all about the cvac pod and the new calm which provides uh in 30 minutes you get three hours of restorative sleep his whole shit is that how's that dude it's fucking amazing man i went up there i'm like his fucking guinea pig like all the shit that he's learning massage school fucking trigger point therapy everything that he's been learning and he's a bad motherfucker he fought in the golden gloves he

has black belts he's a hardcore dude all tatted up and you know i just been on this and and i went into crunch because uh they were offering a special thing. He led the boxing, and he taught kickboxing and worked with all the Five Points guys. You know Five Points Muay Thai? Sure. Before that, they were all up in Crunch training, and then they opened up the school. But he was there, and I said, yo, I want to do this Ironman. He started training me from day one to do my first race I started with him in in 2010 I did my first race 2012 New York New York Ironman

so then his whole journey now they open up this place recover it's right up the block from Henzo Gracie's on on 30th street so they have the CVAC pod, which takes you to elevation. It increases your VO2 max by like 5.8%. And I think doping, doing the EPO and everything, only gives you 3%. And then he does the NuCom. So now I tried to test the shit. And I'm like, all right, NuCom. It fucking works with the wiring in your brain. So you put blinders on and you sit there with these fucking headphones and he has electrodes.

He puts this gel. By the way, I have his card and he said, you come to New York next time. I want to try. I want to set one up in here. Yeah, dude. So the thing was, I tried to fight it and be like, no'm fucking not gonna i'm not gonna go out and the the vibrations that they design that the the sound vibration that's coming through these headphones like i'm i'm like just trying to fight passing out and i just fucking went out and then they woke me up

and they're like yo how long do you think you've been you were out i said 15 minutes they were like you were out for an hour and 20 i'm like what and it's just it's fucking bizarre like they're learning so much about recovery and now all there's uh all kinds of pro athletes are coming in to recover in new york the the studio over there on 30th street all henzo's guys henzozo's nephew who just won, what did he just, what was that MMA tournament? He just won something. Fuck. He had some fight and he won.

And a lot of those guys are coming in and a lot of pro athletes. There's a lot of endurance athletes that are going in there. So how does it work again? There's electrodes that are on your neck. So he puts like, do you have a TENS machine? You know what they are? Like the gluey fucking pads, right? So it's these squares.

And then he puts this gel and he puts it behind. Conductive gel. Conductive gel. And he puts it behind your ear here. And then the headphones and the blinders. But it's sending a pulse into your body and the sound vibration. Is it attached to a big machine? It's a fucking little machine like this.

So it's something that we could have here. You can, yeah, you can have it here. Set that shit up. I'm telling you, man, you will bug the fuck out. That sounds crazy. Like, he's an expert in it. Like, the guy who manages the whole shit, he's an expert in the NuCom stuff. Wow.

So, like, you know, he's a big fan of yours, by the way, too. Shout out. Yeah, he's Aaron. So this is it right here. Yeah. So when you put this on, is it on a timer? Like, how do you know when it's over? Do you wake up when it's over?

No, they had to wake me up, man. That's it. Those are the pads. They woke me the fuck up. I thought I was out for like 15 minutes. Step two, microcurrent stimulation. Step two for NuCom is to use a subsensory microcurrent to catalyze the effectiveness of the NuCalm supplementation. So you take pills with it, too?

No, I didn't take any pills. Okay. I just— The combination of the supplementation and the microcurrent works on the midbrain to interrupt the body's natural stress response. Research shows this microcurrent helps balance the brain's neurochemistry by reestablishing optimal neurotransmitter levels. You won't feel it while it's working. That's fucking Swahili as far as I'm concerned.

That should help the way your brain works as well. Yeah, it's insane, dude. Wow. And they're the only ones in New York that are doing the NuCom. They're the only ones in the East Coast that have a fucking CVAC pod pod one of the universities out here uh they've got one in orange county yeah i know uh ian mccall was using that shit for a while he said he got great well the woman who holds the world

record uh time trial i believe uh she was doing cvac the pod it's it's fucking insane you go in this thing and it's like uh you you go you have to work up because you can't just go to level five and and your fucking shit will just bug the fuck out so i worked all the way up to level five but how long did it take you to work up to it it took me like a couple weeks you know but like what i really noticed was with my running because i i mark uh my thresholds and everything so every run when i was training for the last race i just did chattanooga uh a half ironman so every run i was doing it's going in the cvac and then going to do the newcom and then i do the norma tech boots like They have everything at this place, Recover.

So they're just using, and then they have this other fucking magnetic blanket that fucking, you sit on it, and then there's an isolation pad on top, and it sends these frequencies through your body. Oh, I've done that. Wait a minute, what is that called? I'm fucking, I'm spacing on it. They have that at the cryo place that I go to.

Dude, it's, and they're have that at the cryo place that i go to it's and they're getting they got cryo coming now and and and it just flushed like i've noticed that i can go fucking hard as i mean i would have to bike 120 miles and do a brick and get off the bike and go run 13 miles and i'm like fucking breaking threshold fucking records because I started taking up any athlete who's serious about even um Henzo's I think it was uh his nephew or something that just had that fight the coach was like you know what the fuck are you doing and he's coming into the CVAC twice three times a day and he's like dude he's he his gas tank he just doesn't run out he's just he's fucking grappling he's you know doing everything and he's never fucking tired he's

i've never seen him perform at this level so the the success is there even this woman she broke the world record i think it was for tt time trial or track or road or something, this woman cyclist did CVAC, and they accused her of fucking doping. That's it, the beamer. Yeah. Beamer physical. Dude, that shit's fucking. It's legit.

Yeah, they have that there, too. It does something. It does something. Yeah. Because I've been, you know, you're always getting hurt. You know that, too. I'm always dealing with a fucking nagging fucking injury. Yeah, you got something now?

I got a little groin issue, yeah. So, you know, I've never had a race. I got my nose broken, Cabo Ironman. I'm swimming out in shark-infested waters, fucking leaking. Oh, no. But, like, even from boxing, I knew don't blow your nose because your eyes are going to swell shut. So I had to do all mouth breathe.

My first Ironman I ever did was New York City. And Cro-Mans, the drummer, Mackie, booked the fucking show. This is hardcore. The night before. So we played to like 3,000 motherfuckers going off. You know that whole mosh and shit. And we fucking lay it down. And I fucking had my brother come down.

He drove me back to New York City. I had a stress fracture in my foot i took a shower and i went to the swim start and i did an iron man in august 12th 2012 in fucking 95 degrees new york city humidity but i was not gonna be i mean it took me a stress fracture in your foot stress fracture in my fucking foot and the thing is right where the cleat is that's where it pressed that's where my stress fracture the your foot? Stress fracture in my fucking foot. And the thing is, right where the cleat is, that's where it pressed. That's where my stress fracture, the second metatarsal. And it was just, and I didn't take aspirin.

I didn't take nothing. I'm just like, you know, I watch videos like David Goggins fucking, like that fucking maniac. I'm like, fuck my pain, you know. It took me 13 hours. How long did it take you to get over the stress factor after that beating? It took months. It took months, and that's why I started wearing Hoka's now. I run with Hoka.

What's a Hoka? Hoka, these shoes. Oh, they're big pads. Yeah. Giant. That's like a two-inch pad. What is the deal with that? Well, your shoe goes down in there.

It's not actually. like a two inch pad what is uh well your shoe goes down in there it's not actually um but it's this um scientifically designed foam that absorbs uh shock from the from the road okay so um a lot of the top uh heather jackson runs in them she just fucking has been winning like crazy she's just so fucking better cushioning better cushion and when you get you know i'm 56 so it's like i'm not a fucking dude that's recovering so quick as i used to in my 20s or whatever so i do you ever fuck with barefoot running shoes i can't man it's there's no there's no cushioning i just can't do it well you're running do you do a lot of your stuff i run on cement yeah yeah yeah why trail sometimes i live in new york city i might run the trail, the bridal trail in Central Park if I can or run around the reservoir.

But mostly my shit is all in the city and the hokers just fucking like, you know, I'll be the next day. People say to me, yo, you must be fucked up for a week after race. I was like, I did Kona world championships two years in a row and the first year i did it 2016 i fucking went uh snorkeling with my girl the next day for like three hours so like the inflammation's not there i'm getting really dialed in on the equipment aspect getting fitted for the bike getting the right shoes to run in and it it literally took me you know six years to get dialed in on on even the nutrition aspect and doing them races because like you don't want to get a belly full of fucking gels and all this

other shit right right you know so anyway it's uh but the recovery aspect of what I do, like I just watched, Goggins was on the Rich Roll podcast and he was talking about how much yoga and stretching that he's doing now, two, three, four hours of fucking, you know, and I know you're into yoga. Love it. it's fucking great and that's what i need to start getting back into my girl erica is always pushing me she's like fucking bought me a a kiosk thing for fucking integral yoga and i mean she bought that shit for me last year i still i'm you know it's resist it's what you resist like if you read um have you read the war of art by stephen sure resistance i'm I've had him on. Fucking love it. You having him on? I had him on before. I fucking love him. I bought a stack of his books. I used to give them out to my guests.

Just take this book. You got any problems? Things that are keeping you from being creative? The War of Art. Do the work. But he talks about resistance. And the main thing about resistance is usually we're the most resistant to things we need the most. Yes.

Yeah. You know, and it's this deep shit that book i i every morning i sit down to write my screenplay or my next book i read his shit yeah you know because it's just and and the four agreements i'm big into too i went to actually somebody got me uh tickets to see uh miguel speak don miguel and it was a life-changing uh encounter for me the four agreements don't take things personal always do your best be impeccable with your word and don't make assumptions which i always for i've created wars in my fucking mind sure and then they're like dude i wasn't even thinking that what the fuck is your problem that's classic it's fucking dude

the assumption shit is fucking crazy man and i think if everybody just slowed down and read some literature on some of these teachers that you know humanity could do some so much better yeah i agree um pressfield's great man and what he does say about resistance is so so powerful because there is something that keeps you from doing things that you know you're supposed to do and when you do them you feel so much better it's like why didn't I just do it what was all this procrastination

and bullshit that was involved in me like putting this off and then when you finally do it every time I walk out of a yoga class I'm like I gotta do that again tomorrow I gotta keep this ball rolling this is a part of my life especially for a guy like you Because everything is tight

You know It's racing And running And everything And then when you're on stage Everything is fucking Crush Crush

Crush Kill Destroy Yeah you know what I mean It's like The thing about yoga Is it's static These poses

And stretches And your core gets activated And everything gets lengthened It's just It's a smart way To maintain your body In a healthy and everything gets lengthened it's just it's a smart way to maintain your body well you know what it is i try to justify it by going well i do yoga at the gym when before you know because i'll do my trigger point and then i do all my trigger point myofascial release all that and then the last 15 minutes my girl's like that shit don't count

it's something it's better than nothing you need to go no but i remember how i used to feel when i would come out of those yoga classes in 81 i would feel like i could jump over a fucking building yeah and i need i need i need to get back to that but even in the resistance aspect you know what not doing what you're resistant and it could be something like oh i made an agreement with myself to fucking straighten out the papers on my desk and go through all this shit. And if I don't do it, it puts me in the worst fucking mood. Sure. Because that's what resistance.

Yeah. When you cave in and you give in to resistance, man, it's like you. And it could be the smallest little little thing like, you know, anything. Yeah. And it just it just irks the fuck out of you. I'm like, yo. So I try to. That's a good philosophy to live by and you know to have something that's been fucking with you some things you're putting off whether it's getting back into yoga or cleaning up your diet or quitting

smoking or whatever it is the having that thing over your head where you know you haven't taken care of it makes you think less of yourself. Absolutely. It makes you respect yourself less. Yeah. And that's one of the things I tell everybody I work with because, I mean, literally today, and I'm not bullshitting, I don't try to be like, you know, I don't even say I'm some kind of teacher, whatever. I just pass the info to these motherfuckers. Today I had fucking four people come up to me on the street. Yo, heard you on Rich Roll, fucking saw you on vice dude love what you're doing man you fucking helped me i got into triathlon now i quit fucking drugs this guy told

me that today and he's like yo i quit drugs i fucking stopped drinking that that's what it's all about that is what it's all about now am i am i gonna give a fuck and be like zone in on something and find fault with what the fuck he's doing I was like yo man props to you dude fucking you know you could do anything you know you apply yourself to and that's really you know um my whole thing in life is to just uh you know and that's what Prabhupada did Prabhupada came to America in his 70s aboard the Jaladutta across two oceans had two heart attacks, almost passed away. But his teacher in India said to go to America at 70 years old with $7,000 in case of Bhagavatams, and he came to America to the Lower East Side to the Bowery.

What's a Bhagavatam? The Bhagavatam, Srimad Bhagavatam is what's known as the spotless piranha. It's the Bhagavatam. Srimad Bhagavatam is an ancient literature in India. It's part of the piranhas. It's called the spotless piranha, it's the Bhagavatam. Srimad Bhagavatam is an ancient literature in India. It's part of the piranhas. It's called the spotless piranhas. So he brought a case of the books? Ten cantos.

He brought the original texts that have been passed down from one teacher to the next, to the next, to the next in India. And his teacher, Bhakti Siddhanta, said, you need to write these books in English for the world to help the world. So he didn't, all the people in India were like, Swamiji, you know, you are at the end of your life. Why are you going to go to America? It's a very dangerous place. Not only did he go to America, he went to fucking New York, to the Bowery.

They robbed him. He slept on the floor. He fed people. He cooked. Allen Ginsberg got him his first storefront over there called matchless gifts and they saw the humility of this person prabhupada and what he did for people how he had so much love he would cook the meal serve everybody clean up before he would even eat a grain of rice he had no possessions none he slept on the floor on a mat and they saw

the humility of him and he just and when i learned his story there's a great documentary on him called your ever well wisher on youtube and it's about his life and how he came and and you know acharya means one who leads by example it's not what and i've learned this just by these big mouths that are out there that talk so much shit it ain't what the fuck you say it's not what and i've learned this just by these big mouths that are out there that talk so much shit it ain't what the fuck you say it's what you do it's about your action and your words and how you interact with other people and how you see other people even these fucking so called celebrities it's when the cameras ain't on how do you treat people right you know what the fuck is the real core of your existence what are you here to do and when i saw a prowl pod and and and um you know read all this stuff on them and then started

taking up the process i was like you know um it just changed changed my life so that you know for the better so well by you saying that and it it's very enticing for people, right? Like, I want to do what he's doing. I want to feel better, like he's feeling better. That's what's amazing about having someone who's a great role model. Meaning, you might not even think of yourself as a role model, but by living your life by example, by doing things that you should do, by being healthy, by being active and enthusiastic, you've got passion about what you're doing, about your music, about pushing yourself, about your books, about the exercise. And when you do that, people that don't have purpose in their life, they see that and they

go, that's what I'm missing. I'm missing because we're missing so many things in this life. But one of the things that people are missing is role models. They're missing someone who they can look up to and go, oh, this is the way to do it. And when you emulate their lifestyle and start thinking the way they think and using their lessons and applying them to your own life, you start seeing benefits. And then that passes down to other people who see you advance. It's like a candle. One candle could light a hundred.

Like HR was that for me. Like HR could have been telling me to worship fucking Cheetos, and I would have done it. Thankfully, he was into the right shit. But I would see him go on stage, and I would see his humility. He would always say, Ja is the ability of anything that I have. He would always give praises to the Most High, to Ja Rastafari. Humble as fucking hell. And the best musicians to ever.

Those four motherfuckers are praised by every single fucking musician today. If you talk Doc, Daryl, Earl, and Gary, Dr. No. Every motherfucking musician out there will be like, those dudes are the fucking Dons. Because they study music. They were into jazz and they were into fucking Return to forever and john mclaughlin maha vishnu doc in 81 was like they called me squids because they met me in an a yo squids i want to take you to the palladium return to forever why they call you squids because i was they met me in the navy oh so squids like a squid yo squids that's hilarious yeah

and then and then they call me Johnny Joe so that's where the John Joseph I didn't use my last name cause I was fucking a fugitive for 15 years

oh that's funny yeah so wow the thing was he's you know returned to forever is Al DiMeola Lenny White

Stanley Clark and I'm missing Chick Corea. Do you ever listen to their shit? Dude, you want to go down to motherfucking, no, listen to Return to Forever Romantic War. You want to go down a rabbit hole with how fucking amazing these fucking musicians are, or Weather Report, or any of these, you know, Maha Vishnu, Birds of Fire.

Like, they started turning to to me and he would say, squids, this is how we learn to play what the fuck we play. And nobody could touch the bad brains musically, energy on stage, nothing. And I would see these dudes, I'd be like, what the fuck are you into? And then the role models that, like you said, you know, we need good role models. You know, there's so many fucked up people that uh these kids want to emulate today you know and i see it because i came up in new york i worked in all the underground hip-hop clubs i worked for the pope a pot i used

to deliver pot to all the rap stars i delivered pot pot my friend uh this dude matt worked for tri-star he's like yo meet me at the Boston Comedy Club. There's this black comedian there, and he's going to be fucking huge. And I would show up on my bike. And you know who the fuck it was? Dave Chappelle. Dave fucking Chappelle. Dave fucking Chappelle.

And when he did Half Baked, did you notice that he put the weed delivery guy in all bike gear? Where the fuck you think he got that from? Really? I used to show up up i never carried a bag i showed up with a four thousand dollar carbon fiber carbon fiber frame and i had a black water bottle and all the weed bags was in the two water bottles so it just looked like i was a cyclist out on a motherfucking out on a ride oh and dave chapelle yeah and then dave uh dave chapelle we didn't he he blew up so fast matt heim was the guy's name he was the publicist at tri-star pitches and then i delivered to him at the boston comedy club and within like months he was living in some palatial fucking spot on like second avenue and 15th and then'm like, yo, how the fuck did you get from there to here?

And he just, you know, but yeah, it's like, um, you know, just thankfully the dudes showed me the right path in life. And,

uh, I've been, I've been trying to stick with it and, and pay it forward. That's my whole thing is paying it forward, paying the knowledge forward, paying you go out of my way to fucking help people. I feed the

homeless in new york i sponsor a soup kitchen i've done benefits that have been on mtv because you know i grew up being starved man in the foster home like this bitch fed us she would take uh oreos and she didn't like the filling so she would scrape off the filling and spit it in a bowl and put it on green molded bread that was our meal for the day so we had to learn to scam as kids they fed us rotten food we were never allowed in the house they beat the shit out of us they were so cheap they made us clean their carpets with toilet bowl brushes new toilet bowl brushes because they didn't want to run the electricity all seven kids had to take a bath in the same fucking bathtub water. One after the other.

So how did we get around that? We went to the fucking gas station. And we would fucking bathe. Do bucket showers. Everything was about survival. It was all survival, survival. Even on the streets. I was a heroin mule.

That's how I survived. I left St. John's's that's how i got into punk rock you know the ramones rock rock rock rock away beach saint john's home for boys rockaway beach 1976 i'm like yo i'm weird and i started getting into iggy pop and all that and then you know it was and then i'm seeing the ramones hanging out at 116th Street at the Circle. And when I split from the boys' home, I moved in with these junkies in this bungalow. And they're like, yo, go down to Alphabet City. You're going to carry all the heroin back for us. So that was my gig.

And then he set the guy up and robbed him and all this crazy shit. Then I was making fake acid and going to the garden and just a fucking street urchin and then i got into the angel dust uh selling it in forest park at the dome frank grillo's father knew who you know frank grillo the actor yeah he's friends with calum yeah very good friends fucking he's another great human being man uh frank uh i know from crunch i met him at crunch actually like there was a lot of cool people that were and his father he goes yo i just read this guy's book like you hung out his father was like supposedly homeless and false you remember this kid that

used to hang out with disco and all these and bobby bird and all these guys and so he's like yo where the fuck did you hear those names like is, is this guy John? You know, John Joseph. He was a fucking kid back then and, you know, was on the streets over there fucking selling dust at the Dome. And so just, you know, all that crazy, like, I've been around all those negative people and tried to, like, you know, I had people, this one guy, nuts and dougie holston they both got murdered but they would be like take that pipe and go smash that guy in the fucking face with it and i would do it because i was 14 years old i'm on the fucking streets and you know you try to impress crazy motherfuckers by being crazy right and i did a lot of fucked up, stupid shit in my life that I'm still trying to write the karmic scales for.

So my work will never be done until the last breath I take in this lifetime. I'm trying to help trying to help people. And, you know, by whatever methods I can, you know, that's what. Well, that's a beautiful path, man. I mean, you've turned a terrible situation and terrible circumstances into a way that you've created now where you're inspiring people all the time. That's very positive. I mean, just the impact that you have. I think one of the things that we were talking about earlier about all the negativity that people have online,

I think part of the problem with that is i don't think people totally understand communication i think what we're handed is these tools to distribute our thoughts and our information and we're trying to get rudimentary reactions and we're not understanding that these reactions don't just stop with the person that we're interacting with. They affect ourselves because they affect how we feel about ourselves. If you write some petty shit about someone, you don't really respect yourself. If you write some nasty, snarky, petty shit about someone and you're insulting for no reason, you know you're insulting for no reason and you feel it yourself. You don't have great self-respect for yourself for that.

And then on top of that, that person, that you hurt their feelings, they might perhaps interact with other people negatively because of that as well. It's a chain reaction. And they might become the first to attack next because they've been attacked before too. So they start acting that way. What it is is a lack of understanding that a lot of us have, all of us. I've been guilty of it too, of the impact that our communication has. Absolutely.

Because we're not thinking about it in a comprehensive, wide-scale look. We're thinking about it in terms of that is annoying to me, so I'm going to fuck that guy's world up by saying shitty things about him and his fat, stupid face and whatever you want to say about him and insult them. I'm going to tell you what a lot of the problem is too, and I see it all the time. We're losing the art of even having a conversation between human beings because this is what everybody does.

When you see them going down the motherfucking street, and yo, New York is still motherfucking dangerous, and now all these motherfucking texting zombies that come out of the club and they're fucking... They're getting robbed. They're getting fucking robbed. They're getting run over. They're getting fucking... But the thing is, is like this, right?

Now, we have a law. I go out with my friend Jake from Rocksoft in New York City. He does all the Rocksoft tours and does all this stuff. He has a rule. When he goes out to dinner everyone has to hand their motherfucking cell phone in to the fucking maitre d and no cell phones so that you sit there and talk with each other you have the conversation and it's what is you know I saw this whole special and it was uh it was on cnn and it was anderson cooper and um it was the guy that was

teaching mindfulness i forget uh he's been teaching meditation i wrote about him in my book so the whole rule was they had to be mindful the entire time that they were at this thing they had no cell phone no tv no nothing and they had to be mindful when they ate mindful uh when they took a shower mindful when they walked down the street, remaining mindful during conversations, respecting other people. And like it was heads of the heads, the CEO of fucking Google

and all these big companies were there. And what they learned at this retreat for the 10 days or whatever that they were there a week, it was so powerful that they took that and implemented that in their companies and now google they make everybody sit down in a fucking auditorium before they start their day up there in uh silicon valley or wherever the fuck they are and they have to just sit there for 10 minutes and be mindful and meditate and be mindful and that's something that's becoming uh a lost part of humanity because it you know the the the internet and

all of this shit it's like people are losing touch with themselves and with each other yeah you don't validate me i don't gotta you know what i do when them people when they even knew i was coming on here and they was talking shit i fucking deleted it i didn't even read their motherfucking comments once i saw a few toxic words i'm like fuck you delete block see you fucking later to me it's out of sight out of mind i just don't have time uh for people capable of that yeah because you know I still have the tendency to do the four disagreements I do take things personal I will make assumptions

I'm a work in progress I'm not healed just like I say I'm always going to be an addict there's always that possibility that I'm going to fucking I have to have my coat of armor which I say my sort of fucking PMA and my coat of armor, which is everything I do every day, but I'm not beyond the shit I'm trying to.

So, you know, why the fuck do I want to go hang out with very negative people or listen, you know, or if somebody starts talking shit about somebody else, you know what I say to them now? Yo, my man, did you tell so-and-so that? Why the fuck you telling me? I don't want to hear it. Right. And I forget which philosopher said it, but he goes, the only true examination of, like, when we find fault in others, it's really what we're seeing in ourselves. We're pointing out the bad

shit in ourselves for sure constantly fault finding you know with other people yeah and it comes back to that fly mentality man i just you know and try to set the good example and that's another thing pravpa said example is better than precept and right now you just have a motherfucking bunch of people talking shit instead of trying to be the example and try to live it and do it there are a ton of people out there that's crushing it and staying positive and doing you know getting off drugs getting off alcohol like even the people in this program man you don't even know the shit that these guys have been through it's it's fucking insane can you imagine spending 20 years in a fucking jail cell or going to pelican bay or going to pelican bay and being in the shoe like what the fuck that does to human beings

like the strength that that takes and i'm gonna you, and the other reason I got involved is because my uncle back in the day worked at Chino prison in the seventies and eighties. He was like the assistant warden or something in Chino. Now Chino, if you know the prison system, what they call that here in California is gladiator school. But there's a documentary about this guy and he's a former Navy SEAL. And he went in there and the documentary is called salv former navy seal and he went in there and the documentary is called salvaged lives and he went in there and taught these guys he put them through like a little buds dang squirted them with holes trained them fucking hard as hell taught him every aspect of commercial diving and when they got released he got them jobs on oil rigs and all this stuff making

six figures and the guys who were working for these oil companies, they said, these are the most skilled fucking people that we've ever had come to work for these companies. So between trying to set a good example and seeing the people before me that has done it and wanting to reach out and help people and seeing and my uncle telling me about this guy and then seeing the documentary when it came on i was just like i gotta try to do something to to turn the tide and having a platform like netflix or whoever's gonna pick up this documentary it's like you know it's it could show people listen stop incarcerating motherfuckers it's about education not incarceration. These are not animals.

These are human beings. Yeah, it's a broken system. It is. For sure. It's not helping anybody. It's just making people harder criminals, and it's just punishing them by keeping them locked in a cage, and they never get any better. The idea is that you're removing the dangerous elements of society and protecting the rest of us. Yeah, I get that.

But this idea of rehabilitation, it's-existent now they even removed uh the exercise equipment in the prison because now if you watch 13th right yeah you know it's basically like warehousing bodies man and they violate them one dude got violated for smoking a cigarette in the facility and they sent them back to serve the rest of his fucking sentence they it's crazy and especially out here in california like california and texas and florida man it's fucking crazy you know and and and look i look back to the whole situation that went down in the 80s because I really try to do research. And the whole thing that went down, you had Nancy fucking Reagan saying, just say no. And you know what George Bush Sr. was doing to fund all his operations in South America? You know about that?

Selling crack. Fucking selling motherfucking crack. The vice president was bringing the cocaine, landing it. He had Freeway Ricky on. Holy shit. Landing the planes in Arkansas, right? Governor Clinton. And transporting the cocaine.

And then what? Did you see the Tom Cruise movie? Fuck yeah, I saw it. I loved it. What is it called? Made in America? Made in America. Made in America?

Yeah. And the thing was, and then they passed these draconian fucking drug laws like i think you could get caught i forget what the exact amount of grams were of minute portion of crack cocaine and there was dudes getting busted with quarter pounds of coke fucking coke but that's the white man's and they would get fucking a slap on the wrist these dudes would go away for 10 years so they they put the coke in the neighborhoods they funded all their operations in south america and then they passed draconian drug laws and this was the clintons hello i was also friends with michael rupert michael rupert was a guy who exposed all that do you remember they had those uh town hall meetings with the dea

and the cia and uh michael rupert who was, who was a homicide detective for the Los Angeles Police Department. You know what? I did. I did. I did. I think. I forget. Wasn't he a homicide?

He was homicide, right? And he went in front of this big meeting on CNN, and he explained it to everyone. Was it C-SPAN or CNN? I don't remember, but it was on television. and he explained it to everyone. Was it C-SPAN or CNN? I don't remember, but it was on television. And he explained that he busted the CIA selling drugs in the inner city and that he has documents that can prove there's a detailed history of them selling drugs

and then using those profits overseas. There was a documentary about it that came out, and it was these big, the fucking big drug dudes in L.A. said, yeah, these guys would just show up with fucking van loads of fucking coke. Did you ever see that video of him talking in front of those people? See if you find that video because it's a fucking crazy eye-opening video. But they're having this town hall meeting. Here it is right here.

Fuck. Oh, yeah, I saw this. I've seen people help drugs throughout this country for a long time. Fuck yeah, man. Hell yeah man hell yeah people like what c-span people went crazy allegations of cia involvement in drug trafficking they they they listen all right obviously that is an answer for a lot of you. Now can you please?

I refer. Alright, now can you please? I refer to it. Wait, wait, wait. Wait a minute. People just yelling shit out. They're like, what the fuck? The CIA is selling drugs and a cop just told everybody that?

Do you know that they declassified those papers? You can read all of those papers now online that they fucking did that shit. Freedom of Information Act. And then they invested in the fucking prisons. Yeah. So they're making money. Well, that's the crazy thing is privatized prisons. Oh, it's insane.

That is the most evil thing, that you can make money and therefore you're incentivized to make drug laws more strict so you can get more people in prison so you generate more income. 13th, man. If you ain't seen that fucking documentary, it's why when I saw that, I knew what my calling was to do. Because Noah Levine, he wrote this book Dharma punks and he's been a buddhist he was a heroin addict he used to do a buddhist ministry in the prisons and and change these people's lives and uh you know he he they came out in this magazine called satcha and i read this

article so satcha in sanskrit means the mode of goodness so that's what this magazine was called and i read this article about these inmates that he was working with and one of them said uh he was never getting out he's uh you know life without the possibility and he said if i had access to the information of what i've learned through this program i wouldn't be where i'm at so then that planted the seed in me and then just seeing what the whole shit's turned into, how the people that really need the food deserts and everything that's going on in this country and the research I've done and everything I've been talking about and fighting for change by taking action against the fucked up shit.

And then 13th coming out and just lit another fire under me. I'm like, man, you know,, let's fucking help these people, man. But yeah, I knew about all that coke shit back in the fucking day. And at first I was like, yo, because Congress wouldn't cut a check to him to do his dirty fucking shit down in South America. We got our hands in wars all over this fucking,

trying to take down governments all over this fucking planet, it's it's insane what yeah that Barry Seale story is fantastic too that's the guy who they that Tom Cruise played in that movie I mean it's a fucked up version of it in the movie I'm sure it's not totally accurate but that guy was selling drugs and he was going to South America and bringing him over and dropping them off in Arkansas while Clinton was the governor and he pardoned him the dia the dea dude was like i fucking got you yeah call comes let him go guess who it was bill clinton yeah that's that's fact dude that's a fucking fact yeah that really didn't

happen and then you get you know hillary clinton i'm for black people and this and that no you ain't you and now she's like yeah we have to change the fucking prison laws and the sentencing laws on drugs. Yo, you created those. The three strikes was your fucking husband. Yeah. She's a fascinating character because people want to think of her

as being this super progressive person because she's a woman and because she's a Democrat. She didn't even believe in gay marriage until 2013. She talked shit. I got fucking, I saw videos of her talking shit

against gay marriage and like, you know, marriage should be the unity of a man and a woman and God. It's all political. They're all mouthpieces. They changed their, no one can take a stance

and say this is who the fuck I am no matter what group I'm talking in front of. That's who I look to and have respect. I don't change my stance on shit. Well, you remember

when Bernie Sanders was trying to get her to release the transcripts of those speeches that she gave in front of the bankers? Come on, tell us what you said.

Those fucking things were buried, long gone, like no chance. You're not going to release those. That would be some dark shit where she's making sure

that you're going to make more money. You get me an office, I'm going to make sure you keep making money. We're here to make you make more money. So I've seen your comments on Trump to some point. What do you think about homeboy? I think no one should be president.

And I think the idea of having a popularity contest is fucking ridiculous. It's ridiculous. What we should have is a council of wise people. Old school. Yeah. I like that. It's fucking ridiculous. It's ridiculous. What we should have is a council of wise people and they should have... Old school. Yeah. The real shit. There should be a group of the most wise economists. Qualified. Yes. But I mean you should your work should be judged

like it shouldn't be partisan. It shouldn't be you're trying to appeal to social justice warriors or radical progressives or radical conservatives or you know rightwing Christian fundamentalists. It should be you're making sense because you understand law and fairness and ethics and morals and values. And you understand, like, with an objective sense and an educated sense of how to establish a quality community of human beings, quality community of human beings, a civilization in which people can prosper, in which laws are fair, and in which we establish what do we find necessary, what do we find important,

what's imperative, education, community, all these different values, and enforce those and somehow or another figure out a way to make this world a better place than what it is now. Engineer a better place. That's not what we get. What you get is some person who says they're going to do all kinds of shit until they get in there and they very rarely do. Did you see the A, B shit that they just put up for all of fucking Trump? Like the shitty promise on the campaign and now what he's actually doing. No one's done any different.

Obama did the same shit. Obama did the same shit i mean people forget listen hillary would have done the same shit they all they all do the same shit and and the thing that fucks me up the most is the popular vote doesn't decide who the fuck gets in it's ridiculous it's fucking the electoral colleges what the fuck is that yeah what is that what is that shit who is that who the fuck are all those motherfuckers representative government was a great idea when you had to get on a fucking horse and take your ass to Washington in order to place your votes. You don't have to do that anymore. You can vote instantaneously. People should be able to vote on issues with their phone.

Okay? Your phone's in your pocket all the time. You should be able to... First of all, you should have some sort of understanding of what you're voting on. You should have to pass some sort of a test. They should say, do you want to vote on spending? Do you want to vote on health care? How much do you understand about health care?

Well, let's take a test. And the people that can pass the test, understanding what the consequences are or why they're doing this, then you should be able to vote. But this should be something that you should have some skin in the game. There should be some understanding of what this system is. Instead, you know, look, I'm not a giant supporter of any mainstream media, whether it's right-wing or left-wing, but there's something fucked up about these people from CNN going to these Trump rallies

and you've got hundreds of people giving them the finger, fuck you, you're fake news, fuck you, and they've got American flag t-shirts on. Yeah. There's a nonsense, almost pro-wrestling aspect to all this. It's what it's become. But he's profiting off this. Trump is, this is for his advantage. He set this up.

Yeah. Because he found a broken system, and he said, oh, I'll just fucking rig this system. I know how to get people to like me. I've been doing this forever. I'm a cocky, arrogant billionaire. That's my shtick. I'm going to walk up there with my $5,000 suit on, and I'm going to wow the shit out of these dummies, and I'm going to have them cheering for me.

These guys are fake news. You sit down. You're fake news. Everybody goes crazy and cheers. These guys are fake news. You sit down, you're fake news, and everybody goes crazy and cheers. Yeah, did you see that somebody just, this video was, I think it was, might have been CNN that posted it, and it was like the toxic level of,

it was this group, and they were just yelling at people. That was Jim Acosta. Yeah. Yeah, that was exactly what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's who I saw, and they were all like, fuck you, and the chick that was fucking screaming. I'll tell you something, because I'm a native New Yorker, and I have friends that are in the unions, and they built fucking— Trump burned a lot of fucking people and got rid of fucking skilled labor and skilled fucking union people

and burned union people and hired illegals to do the fucking work in his fucking bill. All this shit this guy says, he's, you know, everybody says what they have to say in order to get the votes. He didn't have a good reputation amongst construction people. Terrible, terrible. And also not for paying his bills, too. Yeah, he always- There's so many lawsuits against him. How about that fucking school that he fucking had?

Yeah, Trump University. Trump University. Crazy. Trump University. If you gave that motherfucker your money. But you know what? That doesn't mean that Hillary would have been a good choice either. She was a terrible choice. She's a corrupt politician,

one of the most unlikable people that's ever run for office in so many ways. Crazy shit. And they were trying to get people to be supporting her just because she's a woman. There was a lot of that. It's like, this is going to be her history. You know, women, ladies, I stand with her. So there's all these women that have this blind allegiance towards this career politician. It's completely full of shit. She's been full of shit forever.

If you watch the conversation between James Comey, when James Comey testified about what he did and what they found with the Hillary Clinton emails, and then her version of it, she's just a straight liar. Yeah. She deleted 33,000 emails. How the fuck do you do that? And then and then... Even worse than that, when they rigged the DNC, they rigged the primaries so that Bernie Sanders

was going to lose. I mean, she had her people into the DNC way in advance. That Donna Brazile book about it is mind-blowing. The thing was, he was packing fucking stadiums. She couldn't even fill a fucking high school gymnasium. Right. She was pulling all the strings, and she had all the favors that she was pulling in, and

she had a shit ton of money behind her, and they were completely arrogant, and all the liberal elite in the media thought there was no chance that she was going to lose she's 95 shoo-in to win the presidency and she walked around like she was she already thought she won yeah but you had the benghazi shit what the fuck was up with that exactly what the fuck was going on over there and you know uh with the dirt that's on i hope you know whatever bill clinton i know you eat vegan sometimes so don't say nobody yeah yeah see you had a real problem with it well you know what when when uh it's just the the hate rotting them out from the inside all the times he pulled no but like how the fuck did she get away with that?

Well, how about shaming all the women that came out and accused him? She would attack those women and go after them. And, you know, I mean, Bourdain talked about that recently before he killed himself. There was a thing about what she had done to attack the women who were victims of Bill, especially earlier in her career oh god she fucking she represented child molesters that was one of the things that she did earlier in her career she got them off you know there's a there's a videotape that uh dave smith was she was laughing in one of them about the victims like i'm like what the fuck is wrong with she's

laughing about the effectiveness of lie detector tests, obviously they don't work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's... She's a piece of work. She is, man. She's a long time, lifelong politician and a lawyer. And that's what she is. And what about all the shit

that went down in Arkansas? The shit that they were all accused of back in the day? What was that? The whitewater thing. Whitewater fucking thing. The whitewater shit.

And just the string of people that have been fucking whacked. How about Vince Foster? There's a great book I read a long time ago called The Strange Death of Vince Foster. It's like, wait a minute, what? They found the gun in his hand, which you never do when you kill yourself. When you shoot yourself, when you shoot yourself and you pull that trigger, blam! Everything goes, the gun goes flying.

You don't hold on to it. There's recoil in the gun. And you blow your brains out. You're not holding your gun anymore. It goes flying. You don't hold on to it. There's recoil in the gun. It's like, you know. And you blow your brains out. You're not holding your gun anymore. It goes flying. And he had the gun in his hand, and the blood that was missing from his body was not on the scene of the crime. So the researchers think that they moved his body. He was dead.

They put him there and rigged the crime scene. And then put a gun in his hand. Oh, case closed. But what was he testifying? He was going to fucking. He knew he had information about Whitewater. Yeah. I mean, what he was going to say, and who knows?

They killed him. We'll never find out. How about the guy that was one of the whistleblowers for Enron shot himself in the head twice? How'd he do that? That shit's hilarious. You shoot yourself in the head twice, oh, case closed. That's clearly a suicide. I mean, I guess you could kind of

graze your head if you pussied out like ahhh and you're like fuck I'm bleeding boom you could do it it is possible but it's more likely somebody killed them people kill people it's part of the thing when you're involved with billion dollar deals with giant corporations

and they also tied into the military industrial complex who by the way kill innocents all the time They're involved with billion-dollar deals with giant corporations, and they also tied into the military-industrial complex, who, by the way, kill innocents all the time and write it off. Like, all this shit that happened with drones, what's the number? It's like in the high 80s or 90% innocent people killed by drones. They don't worry about that. You think they're going to worry about some guy who's going to sink Monsanto or sink Enron or sink the Clintons or sink anybody? Fuck that.

Send the boys. Get them whacked. Clean it up. Absolutely. Shout himself to the head twice. Okay, press conference. We're all good. Everything's wonderful.

Here's Monsanto with some new glyphosate. It's going to fix your corn. You'll never have to fucking pick weeds. But I read this thing that most of the glyphosate that's being put out there is by people on their fucking own homes. Like what they're doing on the lawn. They don't know any better. They spray Roundup. I have a friend who had bone cancer and he lived near a golf course and they put so many pesticides in the golf course that it got into the groundwater.

And he said all these people in his neighborhood got cancer. And he wound up, he has a fake femur bone. Wow. Like one of his femur bones, it's a metal bone. He got bone cancer. Right. They had to cut his bone out, and they replaced it with this metal pipe. Well, my, you know, the history of them, too, was Agent Orange and all this other shit.

And my uncle was force recon in the Marines, and he got fucking, like, everyone in his units that got, you know, they're behind fucking enemy lines and everything, got MS, cancer, fucking this shit. They were spraying that shit on our own fucking troops. Yeah, well, they figured, look, this is the way we got to get rid of it. The problem is they're hiding in the jungle. We got to get rid of the jungle. Let's just kill the jungle with poison.

It's crazy thinking. They just sprayed chemicals all over the jungle to kill the fucking forest so they could see where the enemy are hiding. And then they had the troops walking through those chemicals. It's fucking nuts. It is. And history will not judge them kindly. When they step back and think about what they actually did,

I mean, it's in the 1960s where it's our parents' generation and the way we look at it, it's almost like this unfortunate thing that happened, but I almost think we're too close to it to recognize how horrific it is that the soldiers who were putting their lives on the line

in their thought to defend our freedom over in America were getting poisoned by their own government. Look at Iraq. Where were they putting all the depleted uranium? Exactly. All these soldiers are coming back from the Gulf War and everything else. We're dumping all the fucking depleted uranium over there.

It's a dumping ground for us. They're getting fucking— Not just dumping. They were using it as rounds. Yeah. They were using it as anti-tank rounds. That's what I meant. They were putting it in—they wereank rounds. That's what I meant. They were putting it in, and they were weaponizing it.

Uh-huh. And then all the fucking troops are coming back having fucking kids with deformities and getting cancer and all this shit turned down for their benefits.

Yeah, they denied it was even an issue. Denied it. Yeah. Fucking, what the fuck is that? They don't care. It's all about money for them.

They're distantly removed from it the same way someone's distantly removed from factory farming if they buy a burger at a restaurant or a burger at a fast food joint. They're not thinking about a pig that's in that can that makes that McRib. They're not

thinking about that. The disconnect. The people that are thinking about the numbers on the paper, look, they're number crunchers. They've got to save the government some money. Deny them. Deny them. Make them fight it. Make them fight it. There's no Gulf War syndrome.

Yeah, there's nothing. My uncle gave up. Did you see... Detachment. Speaking of the military industrial conference, did you see the latest movie that came out

with Woody Harrelson, Shock and Awe? Have you seen that yet? No, I didn't see that. About how... Oh, they uncovered the whole fucking thing about how the fucking

weapons of mass destruction was just a complete lie. Every news media outlet except for one lied and backed up the government's claim and the whole shit. The Times ended up apologizing like we got it wrong. So you go in there. You fucking send troops in there. You fucking kill how many millions of fucking innocent people over there. And to what? To sell fucking weapons and push another.

And then there's a justification after the act. Like, hey, it was a good thing to get Saddam Hussein out of there anyway. He was a bad guy. The CIA worked with him in the early 80s and gave him the fucking gas that he used. So what the fuck is like, you know, that was just some yeehaw shit because fucking homeboy, you know. Well, it was they took advantage of an opportunity. We got attacked, you know, September 11th. The planes get hit by the or the towers get hit by the planes.

Everybody wanted action. And this is an opportunity for them to take advantage of this call for action and even though we're going against someone that had nothing to do with the attacks on september 11th people felt like something was happening the head guy from from from uh department of defense was like what do you mean they're fucking you got to see this movie it's all fact-based too it's like what do you you mean we're going? Iraq didn't have anything to do with it. What the fuck are we going into Iraq? Oh, well, he, you know. And then they tried to say he let Osama bin Laden.

And they said if Osama bin Laden met Saddam Hussein face-to-face, he would tell him to go fuck himself. That's how different ideologies those two had. Yeah, Osama bin Laden was religious. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. Yeah, Saddam Hussein was secular. They just sold it.

But what's great about the movie is it shows how they just started force-feeding the information out there to create this fucking feverish kill kill kill fucking mentality that the Americans well you know the same thing you're seeing with these people screaming at Jim Acosta yeah you can manipulate dummies mindsets and this is what they do I mean this it's an easy way to pull the strings of the most easily led you got to think who's going to these rallies in the first place most of these people that are going to be like Trump rallies or something like that they're morons that's why they're going to these rallies in the first place? Most of these people that are going to these Trump rallies or something like that, they're morons. That's why they're going to these things.

They don't have shit to do. Even if you're a Trump supporter, if you're an intelligent Trump supporter, which I do believe is possible, you're a person who's not going to go to a rally. You have a job. You're doing something during the day. He's a fucking Iron Man. He's a firefighter in New York. He's fucking got three kids.

A lot of the New York City fire department and police department supported Trump. He ain't going to no fucking Trump rallies. I mean, he's like, you know, he's a fucking really smart cat. Those people are lost people. And they found their hero. And this the problem with a guy like Trump is he's like he's an asshole But like he's an asshole On purpose like this is part of what his stick is right you attack me I'll attack you back

You know and he starts making fun of Rosie O'Donnell or making fun of this person We knew how to deal with people like did you see his whole shit that they put in the 13th and like you know He was talking to the black people they put in the 13th and like you know he was talking to the black people that were in the fucking like we knew the cops knew how to deal with these guys back back in the day punch him in the face get him out of here and then they were he's inciting a lot of this shit yeah well he's a good rabble rouser yeah i mean that's part of being an asshole divide and conquer divide and conquer if they could keep the people fighting each other over stupid shit, then you're not going to take the time to sit back. I compare those people, you know, what's really going on.

I use the analogy of a magician. They're trying to tell you, look what's in the left hand, but what the real shit is in the right hand. So by doing all this shit and causing all these problems you're not going to go back and look at the shit that he's pushing through his agendas he just cut uh taxes to the fucking richest uh people that with uh the billionaires and corporations which he said he wasn't going to do he's going back on everything so if he could just get people fuck you and fuck you and getting people to hate each other and keep this country it's the united states of america when the fuck how did we become united

as a country like i think a lot of these countries right now who may pose a threat or whatever they're seeing what the fuck's going on and they're like yo this country's never been more fucking divided it's the divided states of america not the united states of america well what he's doing with these these rallies is he's getting people excited about being a part of a team and a team that's winning you know like we're the team that's kicking ass and this is team fake news over there you tell them to go fuck themselves. And everybody goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's consolidating his support. And it doesn't have to make sense. And especially it doesn't have to make sense with the people that are going to these rallies because they're not smart people in the first place.

They're people that are easily led. But that's the same thing with people that would go to the rallies for Hillary Clinton or people that go to the rallies for almost all these people. A giant chunk of them are just, they're just lemmings. They don't know what to do i do have to admit one thing and that was when fucking hillary clint clint was losing and the faces of the crying people who were like fucking losing their shit when trump won i was like i'm sorry but like fucking dude if that's the the fucking truth of

your existence that you put every fucking ounce of your shit into this fucking corrupt ass politician whether it's fucking Hillary Clinton or fucking Bernie Sanders or any of them I feel fucking sorry for you I was laughing at those people when she lost and they were losing their shit on tv like they were just fucking stunned that i'm like because you don't realize i travel through america and people may be progressive on the outskirts but go into the middle of this motherfucker and see what you got and that's the motherfuckers that voted for that dude yeah well there was also people realized that she was corrupt. I mean, he did a good job of calling her corrupt Hillary.

Absolutely. He just kept the mantra was going. He loves mantras and he pushes those fucking. Lion Ted. Yeah. Yeah. Corrupt Hillary. He's got some good ones, man.

Crazy Bernie. Crazy Bernie. Yeah. I mean, he's a good manipulator in that sense. But she didn't do any service. But there was also a lot of the women that were really upset were like, this guy was in that video saying you take girls and grab them by the pussy. And so they felt like this was going to give men a license to be sexually abusive.

And I think that in a lot of ways is what started the ball rolling with the Me Too movement. It wasn't just the exposing of monsters like Bill Cosby, but it was also the fact that you're dealing with this guy who gets in the White House that's clearly not what you want. If it's a man, you want a man who respects women, who's a statesman, who's a person who has worked their life to get to that position. Not a person who did it as an afterthought once they were already famous. See, the difference between a guy like Obama, like Obama is probably, he's probably measured his words ever since he was in college because he was hoping one day he would be president. Whereas a guy like Donald Trump's just been banging hoes and fucking flying around with a jet with his name on it since the 80s i mean this is what the guy

did so then once he's in office people like no they just couldn't believe like how could this have happened this is like the pussy grabber he's not supposed to be in there and i get their pain i understand it yeah it is also funny. There's something, like the woman's on her knees with the glasses. You ever seen that chick with the neck hat on screaming? She's like,

she's a meme. She lost her shit. She will exist forever. Yeah, they made a meme. Yeah, they made, wow. They call it Trump derangement syndrome now

because people are literally, they're so angry that he is in power and there's nothing they can do about it. But the problem is that anger and that going derange, that empowers the people that support him. They don't understand. When you're on your knees screaming, fuck you, the people on the other side that are Trump supporters with their fucking red hats on, they think that's hilarious. They think, look, this is the liberal left, unhinged, detached from reality. Meanwhile, we're making America great again and black unemployment's at an all-time low.

And, you know, it's a weird time for the truth because there's so many people that don't want to go any further past the surface. The truth is this guy figured out a way to win a rigged system. He did. He figured out a way to win a rigged system by pretending to be a Republican. Guy was a Democrat his whole life. Democratic supporter his whole life. Figured out a way, oh, just fucking be a Republican. They're easier to scam.

Weaseled his way in. Figured out a way to make America great again. Yeah, rah, rah, rah. Call people a bunch of stupid shit. Campaign like a motherfucker. Take diet pills. Keep that energy high. Just travel all across the country doing these rallies.

And won. And won a system that really shouldn't be there to win. Right. And I think that we need a better way to run our government. I think your idea is fucking genius. to run our government. I think your idea is fucking genius. Having an alpha male or alpha female,

that one person, the one at the top of the peak, running 300 million people is insane. Running 300 people is insane. You have 300 people, one person running shit, you're going to have disagreements. You're going to have people that are upset that this one person gets to dictate for the next four to eight years the path of everyone in

this group and your financial future your health care your your all these how much taxes you pay all depending on what dipshit wins the popularity contest that's outrageous yeah it's an archaic way of handling things it's just not necessary but the problem with letting everybody vote too is that people are really easily manipulated and they're really undereducated. People, they don't have any incentive to pay attention to the real issues and what's at stake and what the consequences of each vote are. They just vote with whatever feels good. And they're busy. And people are tired because they're eating shitty food and they're not exercising and they're working all day in a job that sucks.

And they come home and their wife's bitching at them and they're on antidepressants and pills and their their kids are all fucked up and they don't have the time they don't have the time and they don't have the the incentive to be enlightened they don't have the incentive to have an objective enlightened approach to how you handle the future of our our society and what our children are going to be left with well that's why the it's the genius of these commercials if you i i mean it's i i can't even watch tv when it's election time because it's just like one dude after the next shitting on each other or this person's saying something about that we should mock them for doing it's like it's like the two things that you get when that shit goes on one is those commercials, and two was all the commercials for the pharmaceuticals.

Well, that's a crazy thing. That's what you get every fucking night. There's two countries on earth. New Zealand and America. New Zealand and the United States where you're allowed to direct advertising to customers, to patients. What the fuck is that? It's crazy. What is that?

It's crazy. And I love the commercials now where the dude figures it out. Well, I asked about warfarin and now I- I'm going to be happy again. Yes. People are walking down the street and you see cartoon flowers around them and butterflies and cool music. Now, if your antidepressants is not working-

Abilify can fix it all. Abilify will fix that up. Side effects include suicidal thoughts. It's like, motherfucker, I had suicidal thoughts before. Ferocious rectal bleeding yo some of the side effects are crazy it's it's fucking insane you know abilify is the it's an anti-psychotic it's the number one prescribed medication in the country abilify really number one prescribed medication in the country wow it's an anti-psychotic fuck yeah what's insane i know you're like what yeah that's insane pull that up make sure that's true i know i read that but make sure that's true somebody

talked about that on the podcast who was it do you remember article from 2015 saying it is the america's top selling drug it's an anti-psychotic yo yeah i gotta to Abilify. The biggest selling prescription drug in the U.S. $30 a fucking pill. Damn, we're in the wrong business. To be a top seller, a drug has to be expensive and also widely used. Holy shit. Abilify is both expensive and wildly used. It's the 14th most prescribed brand name medication, and it retails for $30 a pill. Holy shit.

So it's the biggest selling prescription drug in the US. Which company makes it? Who's behind it? That's a good question. Who is behind it? Satan. Satan Pharmaceuticals. America's top selling drug. Abesica Abilify. It's terrifying.

Official site. Let's see which one of these scumbag make it they're the worst did you ever read confessions of an Aks-du-ka did you ever read

Aks- Atsuka Atsuka Atsuka they probably they probably change names like Blackwater keep switching up their names

did you ever well now they they changed fucking what do you call it? They're changing the name on all these ingredients that are in food, too. Like, what is the additive, the sweetener that Donald Rumsfeld... Aspartame?

Aspartame. They changed their name to Amino Sweet now because... Oh, adorable. Dude, you know who owns the patent on fucking aspartame? Didn't Donald Donald Rumsfeld had something to do with it. Owns that. Well, he had something to do with passing it.

He had something to do with ignoring evidence. But see, someone told me that the amount of chemicals they had to give to rats, the amount of aspartame they had to give to rats to kill them or to give them cancer was very high. I'm like, okay, that's good. Yeah, that's reassuring. No, but there's a great book about the corruption of the pharmaceutical

companies. And it's, can you Google this title real quick? It's called Confessions. Gwen Olson wrote a book called Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher. And I think it was her niece died of a drug interaction that they knew about. And she exposed the whole corruption in the pharmaceutical industry. She was a top pharmaceutical rep. And they said they know. How does a drug get approved by the FDA? And then they turn around and fucking they pull it.

And people are dying. And they settle for pennies on the dollar. That's fucking game they know there's going to be lawsuits and they're like okay we just made three billion dollars off this drug and we settled our lawsuits for 200 billion so that's that's 200 million 200 million right so that's the game yeah the profit game but her book is amazing it's called confessions of an rx Drug Pusher. And that's what she was. And she would buy out the doctors. Half the people that they put on these medications, all they have to say is, change your fucking lifestyle, dude.

Yeah. What is the father of modern medicine, Hippocrates, what did he say? Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food. There's also an Ayurvedic i don't know if you know about the ayurvedic system of medicine and it says when when when uh when uh you know there's a whole quote about diet and and medic and and uh and and uh seeing a doctor and stuff like that and it's all it comes back to one thing man diet and lifestyle like what the fuck are you doing tell people and and that's what's great about a movie like forks over knives uh where it comes back to one thing, man, diet and lifestyle. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Tell people.

And that's what's great about a movie like Forks Over Knives, where there's anecdotal evidence that says, yo, if you stop, you see the change right there. The fucking diabetes goes away. The fucking heart disease. All of this stuff is cured by the fact that these people get their asses moving and they stop eating all this shitty food. Yeah, shitty food is the number one problem.

Yeah. It's the number one problem. Sugar, refined carbohydrates, your body processing massive amounts of stuff that it's not supposed to get in nature. Oils in everything. Yeah. Oils in everything.

And, you know, all these processed vegetable oils that they're cooking things in. All that stuff is awful. Corn oil and fucking and people think oh uh you know even to a certain what do you got here jamie the donald rumsfeld yeah fda actually banned aspartame based on his findings only to have serial chairman donald rumsfeld currently secretary of defense at the time they wrote this article, vowed to call in his markers to get it approved. On January 21st, 1981, the day after Ronald Reagan's inauguration, C-A-R-L-E reapplied to the FDA for approval to use aspartame in food sweetener.

Reagan's new FDA commissioner, Arthur Hayes Hall Jr., appointed a five-person scientific commission to review the board of inquiry decision. It became clear the panel would uphold the ban by a three-to-two decision. But then Hall then installed a sixth member on the commission, and the vote became deadlocked. He then personally broke the tie in Aspartame's favor. What a piece of shit. But this is, this puts, they found evidence this shit makes holes in the brain. Might induce the evidence. Brain tumors.

Might induce brain tumors. Well, might. And the thing is now everyone got hip to aspartame. Now you have to read, because that's why the processed food is so fucking, you know, any of any of that any of that fake sweetener shit and now they call it amino sweet is the new name that they changed it to so it's

like well you ever drink zevia you drink zevia soda you ever have that soda sweetened with uh with stevia stevia it's fucking delicious yeah stevia from plants. It's a sweetener. Yeah. Some people don't like the taste of stevia. It tastes good. But I do, sometimes I do protein powders that have, you know, stevia in it and stuff. Yeah. Clean Machine has a protein powder that's lentine, the water lentils they call them. It's real clean stuff. Yeah, our Onnit Hemp Force protein, we were using stevia for that. I call it stevia, not stevia. lentine and the water lentils they call them it's real real clean stuff yeah our on it hemp

force protein we were using stevia for that i call it stevia not stevia yeah but that potato potato it just doesn't taste the same yeah it tastes good it's a matter of but it's so potent the problem is like if people have a cup of coffee i would have stevia out and people put it in there be like oh i'd be like you put too much in yeah you can't put it in like sugar it's way more potent you just need a tiny dash like even back in the day i remember my mom being like oh yeah nutra sweet and this and that let's let's put all these other like cane sugar is better for you than these fucking fake sweeteners it is but cane sugar is still terrible for you all that stuff's terrible for you. You're not supposed to get sugar. It causes acidity in the body. If you're going to do

sugar, you should eat fruit. What the fuck? Well, it comes with the fibers so your body's slowly digesting it, which is the way you're supposed to consume it. But to be able to get a Gatorade that's got like fucking 80 grams of sugar in there, that shit's terrible for you. All that stuff's terrible for you. Soda.

And they got all the pros pushing it like these kids you go to these uh basketball camps or football camps or whatever or high schools and what are they drinking they're all drinking drinking the kool-aid yeah well you know what if you're exerting yourself like very strenuously you could use some of that glucose and it's okay but for the average person that goes to a fucking 7-Eleven and gets a Big Gulp and is downing, you know, 64 ounces of Coca-Cola, that is a crazy amount of sugar for your body to get in one serving. Your body doesn't know what to do with that shit. So it stores it as fat. Forget how many tablespoons of sugar they said is in one of them fucking uh big gulps dude they did a thing where they showed all the various sizes of soda next to a packet of the sugar and you see the

actual the actual volume of sugar it's crazy this is our number one problem and one of the things that i did when i cut sugar out of my diet there it is there's the the image oh yeah i saw the big gulp that's a kilo of coke son look at the size of that that's so much sugar your body doesn't know what the fuck's going on when you take that much sugar that's insane your body's freaking out and the thing is you got kids jacked up on that shit going to school bouncing off the fucking walls yeah and then they put them on ritalin because johnny's got too much energy johnny's on drugs. He's on a sugar drug all day long. Yeah. I mean, and then on top of that, here's one of the problems with people consuming that kind of stuff.

And then on top of it, saturated fat. See, there's studies now that are showing that cholesterol and saturated fat are healthy for your diet and healthy for your body unless you're consuming carbohydrates and refined sugars. Because when you're doing that, then your body's not burning fat. So your body's just storing fat. And on top of that, you're pouring massive amounts of sugar in there. So you're getting hardened in the arteries and clogging of the arteries. And people think that they're conflating and confusing all this and thinking, well,

this is because you're eating cholesterol and saturated fat. Nope, it's not. It's because you're eating cholesterol and saturated fat along with simple carbohydrates, refined carbohydrates and sugars. There's a chemical reaction that your body has that when you're eating these two things together, it becomes toxic. It's very dangerous for you. Nitros, semites as well. And that's the average American diet.

And then combine it with alcohol and the rest of the stuff, it creates a chemical reaction in the body that then causes problems for you health-wise in your immune system and gut health and everything else. Yeah, there's a ton of problems with people's bodies. And you could trace it back to a host of different things. You could trace it back to pesticides. You could trace it back to a lack of minerals. You could trace it back to excess sugar.

You could trace it back to processed vegetable oils. You could trace it back to sedentary life. There's so many different things that are a factor in people's health issues. But one of the problems with ideologies, whether it's this carnivore diet ideology or vegan diet ideology, is people want to look at one thing. There's one thing that's wrong, and you fix this thing, and if you just do this one thing, you're going to be healthy. That's not necessarily the case. And there's a lot of people out there on both sides that are spreading misinformation because it supports their view. It supports their biased position.

Or quoting studies that were funded by the same companies that are making money off of selling foods that are high in saturated fats or cholesterol or are. Trans fats. Trans fats. There's companies. So you always have to look between the fucking lines. That's where the truth lies. Because the milk industries, what was the other documentary that came out? Fuck, it was about, it started with the cigarettes and the chemicals that they were using in furniture.

There was this documentary, and I always blank on it. It's a fucking old man brain that I have. It was a documentary about how they paid these people to put out false information. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Merchants of Doubt. Merchants of Doubt. Amazing documentary. Holy fucking shit.

The same people that are doubting climate change were also doubting cigarettes being addicted. Yep. The same human being and they're using the same tactics that they've been using uh to push the chemicals and put they had motherfuckers spraying ddt on their fucking clothes hanging in their closet to stop moths can you fucking believe that shit dude what it's in that it's in the fucking movie they had him spraying fucking cancer causing fucking chemicals on this shit and just when you see those guys are the same guys that were trying to say that cigarettes are not they're not addictive and the same people that

are there they were dismissing climate change you're like what like how can you be so obvious you don't even use new people they they did the thing with the guy from uh monsanto and the roundup he goes i would drink fucking roundup and he goes okay i'm gonna go get you a fucking glass here's a glass of fucking yeah drink it's like drink it he's like nope what is this jamie is that ddt wallpaper yeah wallpaper? Yeah. Oh my God. Look at that. Containing DDT as the active insecticide. Genuine cedar wood made into wallpaper. So these people made DDT closet

wallpaper with fucking with genuine cedar wood. Well, the other thing is, even the chemicals that they put in the furniture, there's a big thing now to remove because it's calming the fucking children. you know that rugs and and furniture actually will release chemicals into the air in your house look at this protect your children against disease carrying insects ddt children's room wallpaper how many kids got cancer from that fucking crazy fucking that is so insane but kills insects mosquitoes

flies ants and you you know one of the biggest one of the one of the biggest ways that toxins enter the body is not by walking around the streets of la or new york and breathing into pollution it's the fucking home the amount of chemicals that are in the fucking home and they talk about that in merchants of doubt the chemicals in the furniture the chemicals in the clothes the chemicals in the fucking diapers the chemicals in everything in the plastic it's chemicals chemicals chemicals chemicals you're bombarding your fucking child with fucking dozens and dozens of chemicals every fucking day yeah and while it's immune to all that child's immune system is developing and then

you're feeding it pesticides you're feeding it this fucking animal that's been tortured its whole life and fed fucking steroids and whore and you're wondering why these kids are coming out and they're so fucked because it's when they're getting into their teens it's because all of that shit's taking a toll not just physically but i you know psychologically it's fucking it's you know then you know there's so much other shit they're doing too to the to the food put in put in um there's an epi site you know that they put in the corn and the soy now and it's fucking uh it was done by this company

in la and they were down in california somewhere epicyte e-p-i-c-y-t-e and it fucks with the sexual reproduction or organs of of fetuses and children and all kinds of shit they're conducting like fucking mad science on on human beings right now what the fuck is going on just for profit evening even in hawaii and i gotta tell you i have friends that are out there and they did organic farm organic farming do you know that all the world's seed banks right now for gmo are fucking grown in hawaii why because of it's a closed ecosystem it's closed off from everywhere else so there's no other factors so they go and they spray motherfucking chemtrails in the air that come down onto the fucking ground and they can

for instance and i wait a minute what do they do they're spraying their aerosol spraying the crops so the aerosol spray so what's some sort of pesticide? Yeah, and they do aluminum, barium, strontium. Now, I'm going to tell you, I have friends that actually are doing this. They were organic farmers and had to give up their farm. the pH, that nothing will grow except for genetically modified seeds that have been genetically modified to resist aluminum and resist all this other stuff. Why are they spraying aluminum? Where is that coming from? It makes the soil very acidic.

It changes the pH. I think aluminum has the greatest change to the soil. And what's the benefit of them doing that? Because then they can control the food supply. Because if you don't buy the GMO seeds, the organic farmers are going out of business in Hawaii. And this ain't no- Wait a minute.

So you're saying that they're spraying things out of the sky that poison the ground so that only organic farmers or so that only GMO farmers can grow crops there right that's proven that's what's going on in a while that sounds crazy though yeah but here's the thing and i'm not saying they're going like some of these other chemtrail people 35 000 they're spraying all the cities i'm spraying i'm saying they're coming in and spraying chemicals on the ground but they're not doing it as a pesticide you're saying they're doing it as a grand conspiracy to make the ground but they're not doing it as a pesticide you're saying they're doing it as a grand conspiracy to make the ground infertile for anything did you ever read monsanto's did you ever see the world according to monsanto yes okay so what do they say we want to control the

world's food supply from seed to motherfucking to farm to table all the way through. We want to control. So how do they do that? How do they actually make that happen? And I see it happening to farmers in Hawaii. And friends of mine, I just did Ironman out there. What do you see happening? Because what they're doing, the organic papaya farmers have had to all go, either give up their farm or switch to GMO papaya because none of their shit is growing. But is that because of depletion of the soil?

No, but they say that they're spraying the fucking chemicals on the soil. But do you know how much they'd have to spray on the soil to make it infertile? I mean, it seems to me it's a much more likely candidate to the same issues that we're having in this country with monocrops. Yeah. That they're just depleting their soil because they're constantly growing on it. No, but these guys are doing organic. I had to study chemtrails.

I had to study chemtrails for quite a while because I was doing a television show on them. And one of the things that I found with this, there's a lot of malarkey in this shit. Yeah, absolutely. And one of the things that they find is they're like, oh, they're spraying aluminum. And then when they do samples of the water, they find aluminum in the water. No, they're doing samples of sludge. They're doing samples of water with dirt. Do you know what one of the most common metals you'll ever find on Earth is?

Aluminum. Aluminum. Most dirt has aluminum in it so when they're testing this water they're testing it positive for aluminum what they're doing is they're testing dirt dirt tested positive for being dirt that's what it is so when they find aluminum they say oh my god they're spraying aluminum there's no benefit to spraying aluminum on anything it's never been proven that there's some evil government cabal that wants to spray aluminum on everything and that's the reason why papayas don't grow right.

It's way more likely that these papayas are growing in a place where they've been growing papayas for a long time, and they've depleted the soil, especially dealing with soil that's really coming out of a volcano in the first place. Well, I mean, I understand that aspect of it, but it's the combination of other chemicals that they're using, and here's the thing. Before chemicals that they're using. And here's the thing, before these seed banks showed up over there, they never had this problem.

Right. But there's also before large scale agriculture made its way to Hawaii as well, right? So they probably had years and years and years of doing this and getting away with it till the soil started getting depleted. Just like we have evidence of it getting depleted all over the world. In India, they have issues with this, with monocrops. With anywhere in the world where they grow crops in the same area in these massive scales, you're going to deplete the ground of minerals and nutrients. I mean, it's just a part of the problem. And when they offer up that solution, like, hey, our genetically modified crops are better

and our genetically modified crops, they can survive genetically you know uh modified crops are you know they can survive in these harsh climates and you can also add all of our nitrogen and our fertilizers all our nasty shit to the the soil everything else around it will die when we spray except for our crops because we've been genetically engineered to resist we've been genetically engineered to resist yeah glyphosate yeah that stuff is scary that glyphosate shit is any anything that kills everything but what you what you want it to is like what like what's it doing to what you want it to what what happens to that food what is that stuff out of that food by the time you eat it oh i'm i don't think so i don't think so either i mean when they're putting it in the

seed and then and it comes out in the leaves and the bugs eat the shit and it blows their stomach up there's a great documentary on it called what's with wheat where they try to break down why wheat all of a sudden became a huge problem in the american diet whereas in the early 1900s it was nothing and it was a slow genetic modification where they they started changing the weed itself and breeding it to make higher yields. So it's got more complex glutens in it. But then on top of that, it's the glyphosate. The glyphosate breaks down your gut barrier.

Right. So people get leaky gut and the rest of the issues. Well, it kills the bacteria. I mean, this is what they're trying to do. They're trying to kill bacteria. But they don't realize your body's made out of bacteria. Your body's an ecosystem of bacteria. Yeah.

It's just the problem with the whole government is evil thing is they're just greedy. Yeah, it's greedy. They're evil because they're greedy. Right. Yeah. But see, here's the thing. And you saw The World According to Monsanto. And it's this revolving door policy, how they come out of Monsanto. Or even what he was doing, Rumsfeld, when he was the CEO of Searle.

So they get into the government, they pass legislation, and they go back to the corporations to reap the benefits of the laws that they passed. So you have a lot of that going on. a lot of that going on so i think uh you know whether or not shit could really be what the fuck motherfuckers are saying it is in hawaii or anywhere else the truth is gonna possibly come out eventually or maybe not but me personally uh i tend to uh try to stick to locally uh formed organic like i go to the farmer's market how do you get it in new york then there's farmers markets from upstate and the whole yeah they could they come up uh they come into the city um i mean i'm i'm you know i'm not gonna bullshit i i'll go to fucking a health food store and eat shit that's out of season because i like my fucking broccoli and kale or whatever the fuck and some fruit or whatever.

But, you know. How do they grow that stuff? It's shipped in from Cali and Florida. I mean, you know, it's not the best. But, hey, when you take into equation the fact that I've eliminated the other foods that use the highest amount of fossil fuels to grow the crops and everything else that's involved with producing the huge, you know, these farms that are, these animal agriculture system, the amount of fossil fuels. I mean, I have motherfuckers writing to me, you take a fucking plane to go on tour, fuck

you. Like, you know. Well, that's the thing we were talking about earlier. Yeah, the poison. They try to find fault in everything. Every fucking thing. It's true, though. We all do. The USDA, right?

We both poison the sky a little bit when we fly. Hey, you know, I'll take the hit, man. I'm guilty. It's the world we live in. I mean, it's a real problem. I mean, it's one of the things they found after September 11th, the lack of plane fights that changed the Earth's temperature. I mean, it's kind of fucking nuts, man.

Wow. I never heard that. That's crazy. Yeah. Also, the cloud cover that's created by contrails, that cools the Earth down a little bit. It's very interesting. Well, they've admitted to,

the government has actually admitted to a program to try to, you know, spray and shit to try to cool the Earth's... Well, they've admitted to experimenting with weather manipulation. And to having strategies for dealing with it, whether it is for dealing with hostile foreign governments where you're trying to starve them out or trying to put rain. I mean, they've been cloud seeding've been we have a space did you see the fucking that video that guy's made on space force no what is it is it funny it's fucking hilarious they they uh it's on youtube uh the spoof on on trump's space force it's fucking you know but here's the thing it's like trying to repair it's trying to patch a

shotgun wound with a band-aid like let's reduce the fossil fuel if you want to fucking cool the earth and everything and save the fucking oceans and all the rest of the shit it's why don't we check how the fuck we live our lives but everybody wants to pass the buck and say oh well why should i do it you know let the next motherfucker do it but you know you by what you put in your card and how you live your life you have fucking how many people in america 200 how many 300 300 fucking million motherfuckers passing the buck along you're not getting anywhere right yeah and china's how many billion in india and it's like they're not fucking they're not gonna stop fucking doing what they're doing no no they're not and it's again it's like

what we were talking about with all the other aspects of gigantic culture there's so many moving pieces it's so it's so difficult because we're we're talking about these pieces that have been in place for decades and so to try to make corrections now, and some people are, they are going to organic farms, they are going to raising their own food and having everything be local. And that's definitely better. The real problem, it seems to me, is overpopulation. The real problem is when you jam Los Angeles is a perfect example. There's 200 million people just here.

Just in LA. 200 million? Excuse me, 20 million. Oh, okay. I was like, what? What? That's ridiculous. 20 million people just here, and then there's Orange County, which has more people.

San Diego has more people. As you get north, there's more people in San Francisco. Shit, you got more people than New York? Because we got like eight and a half fucking million in New York. Yeah, there's more people. There's more people in California, just in LA, more people in Los Angeles than there is in all of Australia. Oh.

Just Los Angeles. That's insane. It's insane. So there's so many people and no one's grown anything other than weed. It's just weeds being grown here and that's it. So all the food is being shipped in from everywhere else. And so you've got fossil fuels being used. then even in hawaii you pay more in hawaii for a fucking pineapple than you do on the mainland that crazy dude it's fucking insane you ever been there how expensive

fucking food is everything's very expensive it's fucking insane yeah it's a beautiful beautiful place though and that's why people are willing to take that hit. We live in a place that humans like yourself and myself and people that are alive today, we are stuck in a system that was created many, many decades ago. It was put into place many decades ago, and it wasn't put into place with our interest in mind. It was put into place with the interest in mind of profit, and it was also to deal with the to accommodate millions and millions of people that are all jammed into one place where no one's growing any food right it's a very unnatural way to live you know they started like coming down on all the people fucking

growing uh shit on their front lawns and their backyards now because urban organic farming you know i'm in touch with a lot of those people as a matter of fact there's one in New York City I ride from New York City out to like Long Island Jones Beach and all that and I pass in Far Rockaway there's a guy that's uh he's doing like a big urban farm the in this thing and you know in this crop of land and uh you know it's it's the urban farming is becoming a big thing because, you know, if I, the food desert is, and there was one guy on ABC, and he walked home from work every night,

and it was five miles, African-American guy, and he's trying to lose weight and get healthy. Well, guess what? Every motherfucking night, all he passed was KFC, this, that, the other thing, 7-Eleven. He could not buy a fucking piece of fruit or a fucking apple in any of those fucking places. None.

So then they said, well, how the fuck are we going to get food if we ain't got no car and we can't go seven, ten miles out of town to the supermarket? So now urban organic farming is becoming a big thing where they're showing these people. And now they're starting to crack down. The cities are trying to crack down on these people that are growing fucking food that's ridiculous it's fucking crazy i had ron finley on this podcast and he's got a similar program in south central and he helps these kids and uh people that live there use vacant lots use medians use all these areas in detroit too yeah it's fantastic yeah grow food you got no fucking food food would be free grow it grow it on patches of land i mean what would be ideal is if every

community instead of just having a house jam next to a house jam next to a house every community have one community lot and that community lot we all grow our food in you know not hard to do i mean even in a fucking closet they're showing how to do, like, they just had this, they had a shipping container in New York and it was a demonstration and they put it on Lafayette and, Lafayette Street and Houston

and it was a shipping container and they did all, and when you walked in there, it was a fucking farm. Right. And I forget how many thousand pounds of fucking organic produce that that fucking farm inside that shipping container was able to grow yeah but it's insane you know and that's with artificial light but you could do that with real light i mean the real

streets that you you see everywhere you go what where concrete is it could be dirt and then it is it is possible that we could cordon off a small section of every community and have a community garden and it would also be a good it would be good for the community in terms of people like interacting with each other and feeling like they're a part of something and taking responsibility for right taking care of something your hands in the dirt too man you know it's it's very like that's one of the programs that we we did in this documentary we had the guys going to organic farms and getting their hands in the dirt and seeing you know people just there's a disconnect between like you know farmers man i gotta know, it's like that's a fucking hard ass fucking job.

It's a fucking hard ass job. It's fucking hard, man. We don't show the appreciation. And I think, who was the one black activist who used to run the marathons and shit? He, forget his name, in the 60s. Dick Gregory? Dick fucking Gregory, man. He always talked about, you know about growing your own fucking food.

Do you know Dick Gregory's the guy who brought the Zapruder film to television? The Zapruder film of Kennedy being assassinated? No. It looks like he's being shot from the front. What? Yes. Dick Gregory brought that to the Geraldo Rivera show. Wow.

Eight years after the assassination. It might have been more than eight. Damn. It might have been more. You know a lot of shit. Yeah. It might have been 10 years after the assassination. It might have been more than eight. It might have been more. You know a lot of shit. Yeah. It might have been 10 years after the assassination. Something crazy.

But people didn't see Kennedy get assassinated until many, many, many years after. When this guy Zapruder, who was there on the spot, was filming. They took his film and he sold it to Time Life magazine. They used stills of it and then they didn't show it. 12 years. 12 years. 12 years later. 75. Wow. So on 75 on the Geraldo Rivera show, they premiered the Zapruder film footage of the assassination of President Kennedy from like fucking, you know, 20 yards away. He was right there. he was right there and you see Kennedy's head go back into the left it's you see the spray of blood you're like what so it wasn't did they show that it was more than one uh they can't tell for sure and there's a lot of speculation because there's

so many you know it's black and white and it was shaky back then they've since used computers to stabilize the image but what it looks like to the untrained eye is that he's shot more than once and probably shot from multiple different angles. And the reason why they came up with the magic bullet theory is because they had to account for another bullet that didn't hit the president. They had to account for a bullet that hit, it ricocheted under an underpass. How many times? And hit a guy.

So, yeah, the bullet had to go through two people, and it had to leave traces of the bullet behind that weren't missing from the bullet, and it had to shatter bone and not distort, which doesn't happen. Yeah. If you know anything about bullets, if you shoot anything,

bullets get jacked. They tear up. They bend. They get distorted. You could take fucking lead. Exactly. Yeah, even if it's jacketed, it's still going to get fucked up. They bend. They get distorted. You could take fucking lead. Exactly. Yeah, even if it's jacketed, it's still going to get fucked up. It's hitting bones and shattering at a ridiculous speed.

The single bullet theory was also created by Arlen Specter and those fucking guys from the Warren Commission report. A bunch of evil assholes. There's a great book on it called Best Evidence by David Lifton. David Lifton was an accountant who went over the Warren Commission report step by step, every step of the way, and found all these contradictions in the reportings. Like, this is a bullshit document. Like, what they were trying to do was just

wrap this bitch up nice and tight. They weren't trying to solve the crime. They were trying to wrap this thing up tight, and the most ridiculous aspect of it is the magic bullet theory. But before anybody saw this Zapruder film, it didn't look that ridiculous. Right. We heard what we were told.

Kennedy got shot by Oswald, and then Jack Ruby shot Oswald. Case closed. Very convenient. Very convenient. The whole thing is ridiculous. Yeah. I don't know why they killed him, but it's very likely that there was quite a few people involved, and not just Lee Harvey Oswald.

And he was probably involved, too. Well, you know that he passed a resolution. He was fucking with the Federal Reserve. Oh, yeah. What was the 111? It was a... Well, there's a lot of problems. The Bay of Pigs.

Bay of Pigs. Yeah. He wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve. He wanted to get rid of the CIA. He started printing up currency backed by... He wanted to go back to the gold- the Federal Reserve. He wanted to get rid of the CIA. Started printing up currency backed by, he wanted to go back to the gold, silver standard. He started printing up notes. Fucking, if you could find those notes

from when he was in, silver certificates. And he said, why are private banks controlling our money, the Federal Reserve? It wasn't, I think one of the acts that George Bush Jr. passed before he left office there it is

executive order 11110 to give the printing of the money back to the fucking take it away from the Federal Reserve

yeah they whacked him just a couple months later and give it back to the secretary his father said that they're gonna kill you for this his father told him that

yeah you fuck with them bankers man it's true it's uh you know it comes back to to you know power it's not about a conspiracy it's about yo it's about they want the ultimate greed it's the ultimate greed we control everything well especially back then I mean the amount of accountability that politicians had back then you can get away with a lot there is a lot of wiggle room and you know it's most likely that somebody other than just lee harvey oswald and he probably had something to do with it too yeah i mean he was probably you know manchurian candidates man who knows they grab these guys they fucking who knows does what with them.

Who knows? Fucking, you know, they're still doing it, I believe, to this day. Yeah. You know, a lot of these fucking motherfuckers that's trying to fucking shoe bombers and this fucking clown and this. You know, there's so much shit going on. Like, even the shoe bomber, like, how the fuck did he get on a plane with no passport you know it's like there's so much shit to just go home well you remember that guy that they busted in dallas he was a a guy that they'd set up they set him up to be an islamic terrorist they trained

him they gave him the weapon and then as he was trying to detonate the weapon they arrested him Yeah, it's like you guys talked him into doing this you gave him the bombs and then you arrested him Yeah, like what would he have done if you guys weren't even there would he've done anything? They they thought that this guy was a person who was suspicious. So they literally set up and entrapped him entrapment It's kind of going on is going going on a lot man it's fucking like we don't even know the shit that's going on behind the walls and in the fucking in their offices man it would fucking scare the fucking bejesus out of you if you knew you know uh what the fuck was uh you know what these people's minds, you know. Well, you get accustomed to making rationalizations that will cost people their lives.

And I think anybody that can send a drone to shoot down an apartment building because of metadata, you know, you found a metadata that seems to indicate that the cell phone of a certain criminal is on the 14th floor. Let the fucking hellfire missiles fly, baby. I mean, that's decisions that they make at the highest levels of government. And it's a dude in Virginia

sitting there completely fucking, like, you know, disconnected from everything. If you talk to someone from the CIA, they tell you it's all lawyers who make those decisions, too. Lawyers do all the calculations, and they go, yeah, you can do it. Crazy. Crazy, man. Yeah. Dude dude we just did three hours wow

did we yeah flew by well you know what they say how do you know when a lawyer's lying his fucking lips are moving hey i got a good lawyer though let me tell you there's gotta be good lawyers there is good people in all walks of life peter nussbaum i love you shout out to peter nussbaum my lawyer um he's not out to Peter Nussbaum. Peter Nussbaum, my lawyer. He's not a criminal attorney. So you coming to the fight this weekend? I was invited. I was like, hopefully we get along and have a fucking dope conversation. We did.

We got along. It was fun. Dude, I have massive respect. You know, Brian's a crazy motherfucker. I tell a story. You know, that whole school down there was a fun. I wanted to tell this story about Brian. Brian Cowell?

Yeah. Fucking, he's hilarious. He's hilarious. So I used to take, Tony Ortiz is one of the senior students of Master Choi. Another guy, we'll call him Chuck, but he's with the government now. He's a fucking bad motherfucker.

So they always used to go around and want to fight bouncers and all this shit. That was what they did. They would fucking fight the biggest, scariest looking motherfuckers and just destroy them. So Blue worked. I said his name. Sorry. But my friend worked with Cro-Mags and stuff.

We took him out security with us in case we had problems or whatever. So it was like everything always went smooth. So one time I used to work at all the underground hip-hop clubs in New York. So my friend was doing a party, and it was all fucking deep Brooklyn heads, fucking like homeboys and shit, like the real deal, this hip-hop club. And I take Brian, another dude from the school, and Tony, and we go over there.

And Brian is in the middle of the fucking dance floor doing the funky fucking white boy nerd dance and all these fucking, and the floor just opens up and these fucking black fucking hip hop crazy fucking homeboys are like, yo, look at this motherfucking white boy. Like, it's bugging, and he don't give a fuck. He's seriously like a fucking pissative to roll with so then i'm like yo uh i gotta go but listen man i know what y'all motherfuckers do don't start no shit please it's my friend's club so i get home go to sleep wake up the next day get a fucking

phone call yo like he didn't know that they were with me, he's like, yo, there was these three fucking karate experts in the club last night, and they beat up all my fucking bouncers, dude, it was fucking crazy, like, and one bouncer walked up and started some shit with, Tony was trying to talk to a girl, whatever, and then, like, you know, this guy, he's all on the juice, rips off his shirt. Like, ah, fucking Tony throws a kick, fucking dislocates the guy's fucking kneecap. And then the melee just ensued. And it was just constant, these fucking huge bouncers coming at him.

And Brian's like, bah, bah, bah, fucking Brian could fight. huge bouncers coming at him. And Brian's like, Brian could fight. Brian is, you know, he's a comedian, but he could throw down.

And then Brian just told me this because I didn't hear the other part. He goes, yeah. Then all of a sudden, I'm fucking whacking these dudes and us, we're fighting these guys. And then this fucking gigantic motherfucker, like I was just like a little fucking baby in his arms,

lifts me up and carries me out the fucking door and throws me across this car. And I look, and I turn around, and I'm ready to go. And then Brian says, and I look, and it's this fucking crazy white dude with a fucking scar from one end of his face down his throat. And he points at Brian and goes, don't even think about it. And Brian was like, yo. But my friend called me up the next day. He's like, these motherfuckers.

And I call him up. And I'm like, Brian, the fuck did you do, man? And I told you guys to fucking keep chill. He's like, yo, these bouncers were assholes and you know it was he's he's uh he's a character like i said i was at his first comedy show ever he lived a wilder life in his young days yeah i met him after all that stuff i met him when he was more calm i met him in the the 90s yeah yeah yeah they were in big time. Master Choi was all about fucking getting out there and fucking contact. There was a lot of martial arts coaches, instructors that wanted you to get in street fights.

Yeah. Because you would practice. Because street fights would show you how things would work in the real world. And the more you did it, the more you understood urgency, closing the distance, delivering the first strike, all that kind of shit. People were hesitant because in sparring you always hold back. closing the distance you know delivering the first strike all that kind of shit like people are hesitant because in sparring you always hold back so like

you know I knew many martial arts you come from a taekwondo background yeah that's what started yeah because Brian told me that about you he goes

yo that guy kicks like a fucking horse and shit like because I would see you on Fear Factor were you on something before that too? News Radio yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

and and and he's like yeah i know that's my dude man he fucking you know he's like yo you would fucking bend the bag in half and uh so i you know you know respect uh for that you know from i was like that's a bad motherfucker but uh listen we're gonna have some fun this weekend the fight's gonna be awesome

it's a sick card Saturday night at the Staples Center you know I've been following the UFC since day one and originally

when that first came around it was the Gracie's that put a fucking they took out an ad in a karate

in a karate magazines and they said we will pay anybody $100 100 000 if they can beat us yeah that's i saw ufc one with remco pardo and yeah dude i've been watching that shit since day one uh you know you know been to a live one no oh perfect i went to uh who to douglas crosby who was a judge very well know him very well Doug's my man

Doug worked with the Cro-Mags took me to some fights and stuff and in Jersey actually I did go to a live one Jake from Rocks Off

took me to the UFC when it was in Newark and there was fucking fights breaking out what year was this? this was probably like four or five years ago

oh okay in Newark down you or five years ago okay in newark uh down you know they they had a ufc in newark and and i went to that and uh there was a fight on the main floor that was the best fight of the night these two fucking guys just started you know and then when you left everyone's like yo come to my fucking MMA school. Every fucking Mama Luke got a school and a flyer. That's how it is. I love the fights. I've been watching the boxing matches since the 70s, all the super fights, fucking Muhammad Ali and Ken Norton and fucking, what was the great one,

Hagler Hearns. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to get Marvin Hagler on the podcast. Fuck. He's like the only guy that retired clean. He's like, I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to get Marvin Hagler on the podcast. Fuck. You know, he's like the only guy that retired clean. He's like, I'm good. It's over.

Lost to Sugar Ray Leonard. Lost a decision that a lot of people thought he should have won. Yeah, I saw that fight. He's just like this. Done. Walked away. No one ever done that. Tommy the Hitman Hearns.

Yeah. Boxing used to be like, you know, I just posted a picture of Mike Tyson, Jake LaMotta, and fucking Graziano on my Instagram. Like those three. Because my father boxed at Gramercy Gym, which was run by Custom Auto, which they knocked it down. It was right near the Palladium and all that. So you had Julian's Billiards, which I do a walking tour in New York. It's coming out on Fox. Yeah, I know.

I've seen that before. You ever come in the city, man, I'll give you a fuck. A three-hour tour, right? You ever come to the city, I'll give you a private one. But it's like, it's been all over. I've been on the Today Show, Sunday Today Show, The Times, fucking. It's like the best underground fucking walking tour of crime, music, and history on the Lower East Side. Wow.

tour of crime music and history on the lower east side and we go by that whole where the palladium uh was where the clash september 21st the cover of the clash uh london calling was shot there paul simmon on smashing his bass he had julian's billiards right there all the fucking pool hall hustlers and uh and and before the palladium it was called the academy of music dizzy gillespie everybody played there and then up the street from thatadium, it was called the Academy of Music, Dizzy Gillespie. Everybody played there. And then up the street from that was Custom Mono's gym called the Gramercy Gym. And everybody, Floyd Patterson fought out of there. If you pull up pictures of Gramercy Gym, you can see there's a picture, and Floyd Patterson's working the speed bag.

And when that closed, then I was just walking by one day when I was with my mom and she goes, your father, because PC Richards took over the space and they put a plaque and it said, this is where custom models, Jim, we train, what is it, Jose Torres, the world champions and all these weight classes. And my mother just goes, oh, your father boxed it.

I said, what? And there it is. Look how they spell Gramercy too. G-R-A. They spelled it wrong. Gramercy. Gramercy. Gramercy.

That's crazy. They spelled the name of the gym wrong. I think it is. Who the fuck is that? It looks, yeah. I think it is Floyd Patterson. Wow. Old school.

Yeah, so we do this whole thing. We go to. Tony Danza. Wow. Look at school. Yeah, so we do this whole thing. We go to... Tony Danza. Wow. Look at that. Yeah, he took some shots, huh? Tony Danza could box. He could fucking...

I saw some of his fights. Yeah, he could box. Yeah. Yeah, and then we go by Irving Plaza with John Belushi. That sounds like a lot of fun. Dude, it's fucking... Three hours. Listen, I had these four old Israeli ladies come, right?

And I'm like... And all the tours meet in this area. And they're like, we're here for the tour. I said, I think you'll want the food tour over there. They're like, they show me their tickets. They're like, they're like in their 60s from Israel. They're like, no, we're here for the crime tour. They fucking did the whole three hours. They're like, that was fascinating.

So in New York, and Steve Lacey just texted me, so I'll tell you what the fuck it is. Hold on here. You do these on a regular basis, right? Every week when I'm in New York. Every week? Every Sunday. So Steve Lacey just texted me.

Where the fuck is it when you need it? How do you have the time to do all these things? Dude, man, you know, I get to bed early. Oh, here it is. So if you're in New York City, August 25th, 630 on Fox, it's called When New York Rocked. Rocks Off, Rock and Roll History, Walking Tours. Yeah. Nice.

And the press is underneath it. That's fucking cool. Yeah, so we go to everywhere we go to fucking the five points uh and i've had more press this is actually old do you get a kick out of doing this is it fucking love it you do it for fun every week and i'll tell you every week you run into these motherfuckers on the street from the old days and i don't usually but it's just something about it i'll fucking do the tour like we ran into um what dudes um mick jones from the clash or whoever dude we run it and nobody knew because he had a suit on i was like y'all motherfuckers know who that is nobody knew it was mick jones i said yo mick come on he's like oh you know i was like listen i was one of the

ones riding in 81 when you played bonds if you go you go to the video Clash on Broadway, I was there rioting because they oversold the club. And Mayor Koch ordered the promoter in the Clash to do enough shows. It's called the Clash on Broadway on YouTube. And they ordered the Clash to do enough shows. They ordered The Clash to do enough shows, and the promoters sold something like, I think it was, I don't know, something like 20,000 tickets for a venue that held 2,500. So you had close to 20,000 punk rockers show up in Times Square. The fire department closes the fucking club down, and there's a riot in Times Square. Now, I'm AWOL at the time.

I'm smashing motherfucking windows. They stop traffic. I'm running motherfucking windows. They stop traffic. I'm running on cabs. Fuck you. And then I start seeing people getting arrested. I'm like, oh, let me get the fuck out of here. It's time to go. But yeah, like, and then Saturday Night Live, I was on that when Fear played.

John Belushi. John Belushi used to come to all the punk rock shows. So we go to all the venues and the famous murder spots. And I lived in a building with the East Village butcher, Daniel Rakowitz. He chopped up his girlfriend, made soup out of her, and fed her to the homeless. I lived in that building. Oh, wow. That was 700 East 9th. I squatted in that building.

So it's all these famous, the murder of Abe Leibowall, who owns 2nd Avenue Deli, and famous movies. Then we go to the smuggling tunnels of Prohibition, a lot of shit you saw on Boardwalk Empire. So it's a pretty fascinating tour. And I always, like, the first time I did it, and I'll just leave you this, it was really funny, because I had, like, 40 people, and some of them were from Germany. because I had like 40 people, and some of them were from Germany. So I'm going down and fucking we go down to Avenue B, and I'm like, yeah, there was a big fucking drug spot here.

So this huge black dude I know, he just got out of prison. He's like fucking 6'5", keloid scar across his face. He's like, yo, what's up, man? The fuck you doing, man? What's up? I ain't seen you in a minute i was like oh i do this tour you know these are all tourists i'm taking them around to all the drug spots and letting them know about the crime that he's like word so he gets up on the curb he's like huge dude you know prison bill like he's like let me tell y'all motherfuckers something

right now y'all better listen to this man because none of y'all motherfuckers would have come down here back in the day. I would have fucking robbed all of you, cut your fucking throat, taken your sneakers, everything. And they were like, and then he's like, yo, peace, my man.

I'll see you around, blood clot. And they're like, you heard these Germans go, oh my God, that guy was fucking crazy. So you would see all these. Authentic. Dude, you can't make this shit up.

I got to wrap this up. I got to get out of here. Thank you. John Joseph, thank you very much, brother. Thank you very, very much, man. We're going to have some fun this weekend, too. Yes, man. Bye, everybody.

I'll be back tomorrow with Mark De La Grata. Cool. That was good.