The Joe Rogan Experience - #1157 - Shooter Jennings

Episode Date: August 21, 2018

Shooter Jennings is a musician, radio host, record label president, and is also the son of country music legend Waylon Jennings. His new album "Shooter" is available now on Spotify.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Four, three, two, one. Oh, and the sweet, sweet sound of amplified voices and my man, Shooter Jennings. Ha ha! Hey, man. You look like you're supposed to wear sunglasses. Some dudes wear sunglasses.

You're like, bitch, get those sunglasses off. But you, you look like you're supposed to be wearing sunglasses. There was a point in time when I moved here, I remember, well, for a while there were prescriptions, so I had an excuse for a long time, but I went back to contacts. But there was a point in time when I remember turning to my friend. I was like 21, and I was like,

I think I'm just going to keep them on all the time, and then it'll just be a thing. And that way I can just, if I have to close my eyes, nobody will notice, or if I close my eyes, nobody will notice. Or if I'm stoned, nobody will notice. When people get super famous, like Jay-Z famous, they wear them inside everywhere. Just so people don't catch a glimpse of their eyes and hand them a demo tape. If you start out like a scrub wearing them, then it's weird if you take them off. Well, it's a different thing in the black community, too.

Like a real cool black artist is just allowed. They're just allowed. They can just do it. Right, right. I mean, I'd be disappointed if, like, I saw Bob Dylan out somewhere and he wasn't wearing them. Like, Chris Darby wears them all the time. He has a good fade, too. It's, like, black, brown, white, kind of.

Yeah, he fits right the fuck in. Conor McGregor, he can wear them indoors. Oh, yeah. Some dudes can wear them indoors. If I wore wore them indoors i'd be a douchebag plus the kind i wear i wear like you know fucking sport ones i have a couple pairs of those that look cool like a cool ass aviator these are porsches my dad used to wear porsches and like at one point i ran across their purple ones and i was like i bought like four pairs and i keep breaking them this is my last one those are very dope.

Those are Porsche design. Yeah. They make some dope shit. They do. I just used to think that they only made cars, and then I found, they make phones. Did you know they make a phone? Oh, yeah. I saw it.

I've never, don't they make a, didn't they make a BlackBerry for a minute? I don't know, maybe. Porsche made a BlackBerry, and I think they made another phone recently. I would love to get one of those. It's a weird little design shop they have. It is. They have a Huawei phone. I'm saying it wrong, apparently.

People correct me. Huawei. What's that? Huawei is a Chinese company that actually just got busted because their newest advertisement, it shows them taking selfies, but they aren't really taking selfies. shows them taking selfies, but they aren't really taking selfies. They're using a super high-end DSLR camera to take the photo, and they're passing it off as if these people are just holding it up,

taking selfies. It's on a fucking tripod, the whole deal. Did you get a photo of that? Look at that. Look, look, look. The guy's holding it up as if he's taking a selfie. Meanwhile, there's a fucking professional dude with a tripod. But he's making it look like he took that picture.

Who busted them? I think the woman in the photo busted them. Because I think she took pictures or had someone take pictures of the photo shoot. Yeah. She got a look on her face like that, too. Yeah, she's like, bitch, come on. But meanwhile, here's what's stupid about that they don't have to do that those goddamn things take amazing selfies it's a great phone yeah like the the newest latest smartphones they take incredible selfies i know but people

never satisfy with the truth that's why people gorgeous women will put those fucking crazy cartoons those selfie filters on. Yeah. They're beautiful. And then they'll turn themselves into a cartoon like you don't get it. Like you're supposed to have pores. Right. We don't mind pores.

I don't mind the wrinkles on your skin when you smile. I don't mind, you know, the bubbles of saliva on your teeth. Okay. Man. People are getting in this weird state of mind where they think there's a, you know, the bubbles of saliva on your teeth, okay? Man. People are getting in this weird state of mind where they think there's a, you know, they said there's an epidemic of girls, like Insta models, that are actually getting surgery to try to look like they look in their selfies. Oh, my God.

You know, speaking of Insta models, I just listened to David Spade's audio book, which I thought was great. The, I guess, what, Polaroid guy in a snapchat world or whatever there's a lot of chapters that deal with the instant i don't even realize i didn't even realize this was the thing like i'm so out of the thing dude i'm so out of the loop with with do you go to instagram do you do you like pay attention to it or you just post pictures occasionally man i i i'm not really good at paying attention to any of it twitter from day one i kind of was in and i'll go in and out.

But it's hard for me to actually keep up and care about it. Like I hate posting pictures of myself and my manager, Adam, is here. He's always like, dude, if you're going to post something on Instagram, just make sure you're in it or something. Because I'm always like taking pictures of other people. You can't listen to that, dude. That's ridiculous. I know. You're not supposed to be in every picture you take.

That's crazy. I know. But I'm bad to be in every picture you take. That's crazy. I know. But I'm bad at it. And I'm very bad at caring about other people's pictures, too. And it's like my wife will be like, I just posted on Instagram, so I got to go like it. Oh, that's annoying. Yeah, you got to talk to her about that. Nah, you know, her pictures are good.

So I'm good with it. I'm sure they're great. But goddamn, do I have to double tap each and every one of them? Can I just give you the nod? Looks good. I know. Well, see, it's easy to throw that off. But see, my daughter is 10, now has an Instagram account.

And if I'm not liking them, I feel horrible. I'm like, my wife's already liking them. And I'm like, god damn it. I think that's a lot of pressure for a kid, man. Well, hers are all pictures of these LOL dolls that she's obsessed with anyway. And slime and things. Yeah, slime is a new one, huh? Yeah, it's crazy. of these LOL dolls that she's obsessed with anyway. And slime and things. Yeah, slime is a new one, huh? Yeah, it's crazy.

Who the fuck saw that coming? By the way, fidget spinners out. Yeah, slime in. Yeah. I mean, my son got so obsessed with fidget spinners and my daughter, but really my son, to the point where they were spending some time in New York and I'd be going up there. And we walked down the street and every fucking vendor, every newsstand every like pretzel place had like fidget spinners yeah and and like I'd have to buy it you know I'd be like he'd be like oh that one has a skull on it and be like okay and it's like 10

bucks and then to spend just a break yeah it costs 15 cents to manufacture in Taiwan he was like an 18 year old kid who came up with that and he wanted to be an entrepreneur and he made that now he's like a billionaire how did he figure that out like i want to talk to that dude go hey man you should have him on the show yeah don't don't give out the secret but what the fuck is next i didn't see slime coming either my daughters have fucking gallons of glue and and yeah and detergent yeah just yesterday my my daughter and son were making slime with it and I was saying the same thing. I'm like, man,

I mean, we had like ectoplasm slime and Nickelodeon slime when I was a kid and like all, but it was not like this. All of a sudden, it's like, I can't believe it.

And you watch the commercials for glue. They have glow in the dark glue and they're like showing a kid making slime with the glue. Yeah. They let you know. Talk about an unexpected boost for with the glue. Yeah, they let you know. Talk about an unexpected boost for Elmer's. Yeah, they must have jumped.

They must have jumped big. And tied. They came up. Between Tide Pods and the slime, Tide's like fucking sitting pretty. Was the Tide Pod real? Were people really eating detergent? Was that real? I guess. That seems like it would be unbelievably bad for your body to eat a detergent pod. I mean, we used to huff Scotchgard when we were kids or potpourri.

I mean, maybe it's the same kind of thing. I used to smell markers. Yeah. I used to love the smell of a good Sharpie, like a fat one. Did anyone ever do the thing in school for you where they grab you and they pull you up and then you almost pass out and then they let you go? We used to do that in elementary school. Oh, yeah.

What was that? How'd that work? I think I would get behind you and pick you up and then hold you. Shake you or some shit? Yeah, until you can't basically breathe. You're almost suffocating and then let you go and then you're like, hi, hi. Hi. Hmm.

Yeah. I don't know. The kids are always trying to, well, even monkeys, man. I mean, animals try to change their state. You know, they think it's just a natural thing. The creatures try to change their state, change their state of consciousness, even little kids. But I wonder about that slime stuff because I genuinely, genuinely worry. Like people I don't think have been dealing with large volumes of glue and detergent like that

with physical too that's another one oh yeah borax yeah that's fucking toxic you know it gets in your skin is an organ people don't realize that you don't think about that when you're spraying on all the different shit that people put on their bodies like i think about that when i use um sunscreen i'm like what is this stuff You're blocking your pores with some goo. It's also your skin's absorbing it. When you go in that isolation tank, that's one of the best ways to absorb magnesium because of the

epsom salts. When you float around in the tank, the epsom salts, your body absorbs magnesium. You're talking about altered states? Yeah. Have you done that before? I still haven't done DMT. We had that conversation. Oh, yeah, that's right. Dude, we haven't had a conversation.

How the fuck have we only done one other podcast together? That's ridiculous. Hey, man. We live in the same town. I know. I know. We had a great dinner. That was fun, man.

My mom. Yeah, that was really fun. Yeah. I got the great Mrs. Rogan out. Yeah, that's right. That was fun. We had a good time. Yeah, Dan Tannis.

Dude, that place is the shit. It is. A place like you go back in time. out yeah that's right it was fun we had a good time yeah dude that place is the shit a place like you go back in time that is my that is the spot where if they i feel like i've made it in this town that they know me by name there and i can always get a spot at the bar i'm i'm close they know me by name but i i don't always have a spot at the bar i mean yeah i don't think anybody always gets a spot at the bar james woods does if you want oh does he i bet yeah he's got a giant dick i hear sweet i hear. Seems like it. I finally met him there.

I had the balls to walk up to him one of the recent times and I was like, hey, man. Yeah, you just got to walk up with a Hillary Clinton joke. Right, a video drone. He's a staunch Republican now. Yeah, but he's funny.

I mean, regardless of what side you're on, he is just always on fire with that. And he likes doing it just to aggravate people. Yeah, well, it seems like he's done with the whole acting thing. Yeah, he said he invested in Apple in the 80s, and he's fine with being blacklisted. Really? Yeah, that's what he said. He made a tweet or something like that.

Oh, the investment in Apple. Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I don't know how weird like that. Oh, the investment in Apple. Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. That's how weird is that? You could just say, I think this company is going to kick some ass. Let me buy a piece.

Yeah. You could get a piece of a company. And then they become the Apple. Yeah. Apple apparently has more than a trillion dollars now. I know. Isn't that insane? That's kind of dangerous.

Anybody to have that kind of influence though with these phones and shit it's like that's pretty pretty dangerous yeah i i kind of trust them with data though i feel like even with their china deal yeah well google has a weird china deal too well they also have secret servers in north korea and shit yeah well i mean they just have servers set up in all these other countries. All of that is dangerous. I don't trust any of them. What are they doing in North Korea? I don't know. It's all dick pics.

Yeah, I mean. Servers full of dick pics. I think there's all kinds of networks that have been going on for years that are involved in shit. I tell my friends, or my drummer specifically I talk to, but I was like, man, I think I, like I'm not a rich guy, but like, I think that there's a point of money that I would be, I would like to know the threshold in which you get past that. And then like the Saudis and then all the, all these people start coming and wanting a part of you. And then you start selling your soul, like whatever that is,

if it's 5 million bucks, I just got to stay right there. That would be, I don't want to get richer than that. And once you have influence, I think it's, it becomes it becomes a scary world so I like I think there's a lot of concern like people wonder whether or not someone's bit like I've been accused of being approached like that I'm a CIA asset or that I here's a big I think that's really the flat earth Oh the flat earth people they think that I've been approached to talk about the earth being round to be a round earth shill. Jamie started selling t-shirts.

The round earth shill? Jamie's got round earth shill t-shirts that he sells at youngjamie.com. Man, I mean, round earth shill is like saying that the reptilian people went to you to be a human shill. Oh, someone told me that. Someone told me that they believe that there's reptilians underneath the earth and that they have carved tunnels. Underneath here? They've carved tunnels through the ground with laser beams and they have like a network of tunnels they use. They travel amongst us waiting for their time to expose themselves.

People believe, like, you see someone like, say if you live in an apartment building and you drive by a dude's house. He's got a fat house. You go, wow, that guy's got a fat house. I wonder who he knows i wonder if he's like he's in with the the mob or maybe he's deep with the democrats or maybe he's the bankers or who's who's he who does he know because you always think of like someone like being like at a level where you're you're like they sit you in a room and they give you some communications that you're not supposed to expose to the rest of the world. Right.

Well, I mean, there is, again, what I was saying about the threshold of money. There is a point, and you know it's there. I mean, Google started with a couple dudes who were like, we got this idea. Before that, there was a thing called WebCrawler. That was kind of the first experience of me of a search engine that I'd ever experienced. Well, there was Netscape Navigator. Wasn't one one of those Netscape Navigator was a was not first browser browser yeah there was a mosaic and Netscape Navigator but there was a way to search that was webcaller like oh well I came later like oh yeah who came

later and but yeah there was web craw Yahoo, and Lycos, and then Google. Remember AskJeeves? Google took over. Yeah. I couldn't believe AskJeeves was a real thing. Ask.com is still there. I think that's still there. Yeah, it's still there. But you've got to look.

A couple dudes in an office, hey, we've got a web search, and then all of a sudden they've got – I mean, Amazon has CIA contracts. That's known because they use their servers to do things. You got to look at some point. Well, Amazon has like super, super secure servers. But they've still been hacked. They're as secure as anyone else's. Yeah.

They just have, once you make that, I think it's the, maybe it's 500 million. There's got to be a mark. Yeah, there's a number. In which people start approaching you and saying, hey man, you've got too much influence. Would you like to join our group and we'll support you and you'll make a billion oh yeah double your next level yeah i was in italy i just got back and uh we uh took a boat from um uh from the amalfi coast we took a boat from amalfi to Capri, which is an island. It's gorgeous, man. But when you're there, you see the crazy yachts. Like Steve Jobs has a yacht that he had built before he died.

And now his family owns it, I guess. It's like Leo DiCaprio and Bella Hadid and people like that. His yacht looks like an Apple store. It's the craziest thing. I mean, we drove right by it. Yachts are weird, too too because they're worth like 100 million bucks but you could basically like drive up and smack it like no one could stop there's it's weird i mean that's how pirates work right they could just hop on top they throw a

grappling hook up and they climb on top of your yacht but when we're driving by he's got smack it he's got a there it is is. That's it. Wow. Dude, it's a floating Apple store. See, I don't want that. I don't want to have to deal with that and the maintenance and everything. I'm fine. I'd rather just first class it and go on a trip and maybe rent that yacht for like, if I had the money to do it.

Even renting that yacht would be like a half a million dollars a week. Oh, fuck that. I'll just get a boat and go up to it and right right yeah see the difference between the experience in a boat that big and an experience in a boat that's like a fraction of that size is not that different like that's pretty fucking awesome but ultimately it's like a house like that's there you get a good impression of what it's like it's it doesn't it doesn't really do it justice in an image because it's so modern. Like when you get near it, it's so strange looking. Yeah, I mean, again, it'd be awesome to party on that for like a week.

But then the rest of it would suck. Look at that boat they just pulled right up. Hey, man. Yo, Steve. My fucking iPad's broke. Dude, my fucking iPad's broke. Dude, my fucking iPad just broke. I mean, I don't know, man. Wake up, Steve.

Did he ever ride it? No, he shit the bed before he rode it. You know what's really fascinating? I read something about he died of pancreatic cancer. And one of the things he did was he drank fruit juice every day. And we used to think that fruit juice is really good for you, right? You're drinking fruit. Now they say, no, no, no.

Fruit is really good for you. But drinking fruit juice is kind of an unnatural state. There's no fiber in that. So you're just drinking straight sugar. And now they say that drinking like a glass of fresh squeezed orange juice has the same sugar as drinking a can of soda. So you really, your body doesn't differentiate much. I mean, chemicals in soda though. Right.

Chemicals are not good. Right. Some chemicals. But some of them, they're innocuous. Like you could drink, like I was reading something about like Diet Coke. Like someone was saying like Diet Coke will give you brain cancer. Now they're saying it prevents cancer. What?

There was an article I read recently that was saying that they thought that diet colas actually helped. They flipped their script on that. Did they have a little fast talk at the end of it? Sponsored by Diet Coke. Sponsored by Diet Coke. First of all, that fast talk shit should be illegal. I don't know why That's not illegal Remember they used to do that

At the end of those God damn commercials They still do it They hire somebody Who talks like a carnival Just do the whole commercial Like that That'd be awesome man

Yeah make it all ineffective Here What is that Could Diet Coke Help curb Colon cancer's return What See

Why Diet Coke Who fucking See New study shows That colon Here's return what why diet coke who fucking see new study shows that colon here's the problem man fucking studies dude studies are a problem because you you can get like there was a study posted recently it was a a questionnaire that showed that people who eat higher carb diets live longer but it's it's basically a questionnaire that over 20-something years of what you eat, and then the people who died, there was all sorts of problems with it. They didn't exercise as much. They were fatter than the people who ate more carbs.

And also you're asking people to remember what they ate, which is very ineffective. Very, very ineffective. And then the same place put out a study really recently that showed the exact opposite effect. And so it's like, well, what the fuck? If I'm just a regular guy who barely has time to read the paper and I read a study every now and then, it's basically what you catch. You can catch some. Second analysis found that about half of the benefit appeared to be due to people switching from regular to diet sodas. Oh, so the colon cancer was really just you stopped drinking Coke.

Coke was giving you colon cancer. So now Diet Coke prevents colon cancer. It's really no. Coke gives you fucking colon cancer. Right. It's so hard to know. It's so hard to know, man. I try to keep up.

I cannot. I try. I know. That's the problem with the internet and everything back in the day when we just didn't know shit it seems like things move smoother you know yeah but you remember like people thought all kinds of goofy shit like thought most you died should be bread remember that Marilyn Manson took his rib out just so he suckers on dick no but that was that was a rumor back in the day this did he no I met him he might actually do that.

Yeah, that was one. How about, here's the granddaddy of all rumors, Richard Gere and that gerbil in his ass. Everybody knew that. How is that possible? I want to know how that, yeah, how is that possible? How? My buddy Steve did his residency in Miami. He's an ophthalmologist.

And he told me that they pulled all kinds of things out of dudes butts and you know you know those uh kind of thick lighting uh those thick uh light bulbs that look like a like a tree like a christmas tree right yeah yeah some dude shoved one of those up his asshole and it broke did you watch uh the who is america yesterday yeah i haven't watched the single episode oh i love that show by the way i'll you the way. You know, there was a lot of talk about it, and I think it was great what he did. I mean, all he did was set up people to show the ugly in people if they had it. But I did not see that episode.

He's a genius, man. Man, I went, real quick story. I was like, there's a band called Hellbound Glory that I've loved for years, and the lead singer, Leroy Virgil, they live in Reno. And so he took me to Reno on the – I had been to Reno before, but he took me on the Hellbound Glory tour of Reno, which was him going to different bars and shit. And he took me to this guy's house, and it was a friend of his lived down the street,

and it was like their garage was open and a bunch of people hanging out playing vinyls. And this dude and drinking, you know. And at some point this guy was like hey i gotta show you something and he reached into his ceiling light he had like one of these but not with the the uh clouds on it it was just a regular like light you pull out and he had up in there he had an x-ray that he pulled out and it was an x-ray of a woman's vagina with a flying v guitar neck the the headstock in in it it was an X-ray of a woman's vagina with a flying V guitar neck, the headstock in it. It was an X-ray of that. So it got stuck? I mean, I don't know how.

I mean, with the fucking tuning pegs and everything. But it was a, yeah. So, you know, what can you believe these days? How about coming out? Yeah, I mean, how can it going in? But a woman's vagina is a remarkably flexible thing. Oh, God. I mean, they make babies.

Babies come out of their bodies. Yeah, but I mean, that's a whole hormonal thing. Their body sets up for nine months to let happen. I mean, just sticking a guitar neck in there. Maybe she really loves music. Oh, man. Maybe she really, really, really loves hair metal and just went there. Maybe she's just a giant fan of Slayer and just wants that guitar in her body.

Woo! But my friend Steve said they pulled all kinds of things out of people's bodies. And he said he was in Miami, and he said that it was during the cocaine days. When I met Steve— During the cocaine days, like they ended. Oh, yeah. That's over, bro. That's like so 1980.

But he was there during the 80s, 70s and the 80s. That's- Wow. When I met him, okay, I was in high school when I met him. So I think I was 15 or 16. Where'd you go to high school? Newton South High in Newton, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston. How'd you meet him?

Taekwondo. He was doing his residency for ophthalmology, and I was a young high school kid who was competing. And so I was over there every day. So if you came there, you saw me. Wow. And so he was doing his residency in Boston. He was finishing up in Boston, but he had done some of his work before that in Miami. So this was, I graduated in 85.

So he was probably in Miami like 80, 81, somewhere around there. And he just got back. He showed me all kinds of pictures, dude. Wow. This is back before the internet. I got to see brains, people's brains hanging out. He showed me some photos of pictures dude wow this is back before the internet i got to see brains people's brains hanging out you showed me some photos of i mean what bullet holes with a polaroid or something it's a good question i don't know what he used i don't remember dubious there well people

were dead oh you know the brains they were dead i didn't get to see like the the light bulb up the asshole he didn't have hey man stay still while you're screaming yeah yeah yeah but uh distract him yeah but he legitimately did have some photos of some atrocious things but he said it was just to go from being a medical school school student to doing your residency in miami and just seeing just crazy amounts of violence. He said it was just insane. Like, have you seen Cocaine Cowboys? I have not. I've heard about it.

Oh, my God. Billy Corbin, who's been on the podcast before, made two of the most amazing documentaries ever. That's about the blow era of cocaine. I mean, the movie Blow and all that. George. Dude. George Hung or whatever.

Well, no, it was about Griselda. Griselda Blanco, who is this badass bitch from Columbia. Was she from Columbia? Bogota. Yes. Oh, that was the Miami shit, wasn't it? Yes. That's right.

I think I saw part of that documentary, but I always wanted to watch it. Oh, it's so good. He's just got two of them. So if you do it, you got to fucking get the double dosing. Cocaine Cowboys 2. Why fuck around with a crazy, hard to remember sequel name? But Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. Oh, my God.

There was one year where everyone who graduated from the police academy either was murdered or went to jail. Every single graduate was either killed because they had a part of the cocaine business or they went to jail for being corrupt. Wow. All of them. Wow. There's more. I don't know if this is true.

Please Google this. There were, at least at the time, more banks per capita in Miami than anywhere else in the country because it was all used to launder cocaine money. Wow. Yeah, no bullshit, man. See, again, man, you get that level of money and you start getting banks and stuff. I'm just saying. Those two documentaries, I can't say enough good things about them.

They're so good. Sounds exhausting. Not the documentaries, but the actual business of doing it. Well, that's why you need coke. Right. You need to do coke while you're in the business. You're not supposed to get high on your own supply, man. That's the only way to keep up with the young kids.

I mean, if you ask Rick Ross. Which one? The real one or the fake one? The real one. No, no, no, no. The rapper one. Freeway Ricky. No, no, no.

No, no. Yeah, the real Rick Ross I know is the Freeway Ricky. Yeah, that's the one you want to ask. You don't want to ask the rapper. The rapper was a prison guard. Do you know that? No. Yes. I love him though. Freeway Ricky, who's been on the show a couple times, sued

to get his name back and to keep his dude from using his name because he was actually Rick Ross. That's his actual fucking name. I heard this story. I didn't know he was on your show. Dude, he's been on twice. Rick Ross, Freeway Ricky, was the guy who was selling all the cocaine that paid for the Contras. When the Contras are fighting the Sandinistas in Nicaragua and that whole Oliver North shit.

Of course. Freeway Ricky was the one who was selling all the coke to these people. He didn't know how he was getting these coke. He didn't know he was actually getting it from people that were deep, deep state. Deep state. Dude, I'm telling you. I people that were deep, deep state. Deep state. Dude, I'm telling you. I'm telling you too, man. Find the threshold.

And he learned how to read. It's a great story. Ricky learned how to read in jail and then learned how to become a lawyer in jail and then realized they tried him for, they hit him with three strikes, but they hit him with two charges

at the same time, which is not how three strikes, but they hit him with two charges at the same time, which is not how three strikes work. So he went to jail for life and then got released for time, for time served because they tried him incorrectly. Right. So because one of his strikes was in. Exactly. One of his strikes, they were, they were at the same time.

You can't do that. It has to be like, you go to jail, you come out, you go to jail again, you come out, you go to jail again. They go, all right, you're a criminal. And then they keep you in jail. That was a high idea, which is fucked up, man. What's it like sitting across the table from him? He's a very nice guy. Very smart guy. He was a tennis player, man. Played tennis in Compton. Yeah. Couldn't fucking read, man. Couldn't read, played tennis in Compton and was just seeing all these people around him that were making crazy amounts of money. Wow. And is a real calm, nice guy. And that's one of the reasons why he did so

well. He said he wasn't this crazy buck wild dude driving Rolls Royces, throwing money out the window. He wasn't that guy. He was like the cool, calm, collected John Wick sort of character that kept his shit together, you know, and everybody respected him because of that. He just was like, I mean, the same reason why he learned how to be a lawyer while he's in prison. He's a systematic, you know, intelligent dude who just had a shit education, you know, just grew up in a very bad, scary, dangerous environment and, you know, didn't even learn to read until he got to jail.

And Link in the history of the Iran-Contra conspiracy. Dude, the link, the cocaine link. He was the guy that figured out how to sell all this shit. Wow. He was selling coke and didn't even know who he was selling it for. Didn't know that the people he was selling it for, the contacts that he had were directly supplied by the Oliver North people. George Bush and, yeah.

Wow. Interesting, man. Yeah, man. That's wild. I used to have an Oliver North people. George Bush and yeah. Wow. Interesting, man. That's wild. I used to have an Oliver North for president t-shirt. I wore it just to piss people off. I didn't even know what it meant. I was like 17 or some shit. Oh, man.

That's funny, dude. Yeah, man. The whole thing is crazy that this Rick Ross guy, the rapper, was actually a prison guard. There's a photo of him with his fucking prison guard uniform on. Wow. I mean, I like him a lot. Rick Ross like that big song is a lie what's the big saint I don't know the big single I don't know I did have one big one that I've sang before what's the record with devil is a lie on it that was a record that I loved what's his big hit me and Manson hang out a lot and we listen to Rick Ross all the time.

That's like one of our- Yeah. You guys get together, do coke, listen to Rick Ross. No. I mean, you know, if the night's right. No, but like, I like the Rick Ross guy. Manson was going to come in, but he wouldn't do it on camera. It was weird.

Like, he wouldn't do it after. He wanted to do it- I bet he'll do it. At a certain time of night. Here's the thing, man. Some of that shit is publicist. Because I'll tell you, the same thing happened with Liz Phair, who I'm a giant fan of. 100% publicist. I've been a fan

of Liz Phair forever. Me too. Exile in Guyville was a fucking fantastic record. I fucking love Rich. I bought that record and Evil Empire at the same time at the record store in Nashville, Tennessee. The Regents Machine and Exile in Guyana. Oh, wow. Totally. My wife, also Misty, who we went there with, who was listening, she loved Liz Phair too

at the time. She came and we got high together. She's like, you can get high here? I'm like, yeah, I don't have a boss. Alex Jones got high as fuck on here. High as fuck. That was fucking awesome. He's trying to come back on and I just don't know if I could do it.

Oh, come on. Let him come on. They're fucking shutting him down. They are shutting him down, but the problem is, he's still on trial. This whole trial that's going on with Sandy Hook. I know. All that shit has to be resolved

first, but it doesn't make sense. I get it. Bill Maher, respect to Bill Maher. I love respect to him for saying he gets to speak too. Yeah, he was on his show and people were clapping and cheering that he was pulled off of these networks and pulled off of everything he's like look this guy said crazy lies about me this is what bill maher said he said the guy said crazy lies about me he goes but he still gets to talk like this is what america's about free speech means all speech but see like here's what i don't

understand like alex had me on many times and he supported my record black ribbons when it came did he really yeah you've been on the alex jones show many times i and he supported my record Black Ribbons when it came out. Did he really? Yeah, he did. You've been on the Alex Jones show many times? I've been on it three times. Were you ever sober? Yeah, every time. Really? Yeah, yeah, every time.

You've never been on a show sober? It was never a situation. Well, the first time I was, we had the Black Ribbons record that I did that has Stephen King on it and stuff. So when that record came out, nobody would support the record. So Alex Jones- Stephen King's on your record? Yeah, an older record from way do you do he's he plays he plays a dj a radio talk show host that comes

in and out of the record um that's steven king yeah that's steven king so like when i did that record alex jones is the only person that would support the record. He put it, he, he debuted the whole record on his show. And then I went, it was on for two hours by phone. And then I went in and was on his show in person, uh, about just the music business. That's all we were talking about.

And like kind of how things were. And then later I was on for Bitcoin discussion, kind of, um, by Skype or something. But I will say this in his defense, in all of this, I just think that like dude that guy has been saying things conspiracy theories about all kinds of things what do you want to call him that or not but like forever and like now the the the situation

is like so uh volatile that like they're gonna to, you know, the Sandy Hook thing. All right. So like they definitely caught fucking Anderson Cooper having the green screen. And it's probably because they had another person there talking to the mom. Wait, what happened? What is this? There's a video of Anderson Cooper interviewing one of the moms from Sandy Hook. And he walks, he leans a little too far forward and his nose disappears. And it's probably because they had a stand-in reporter talking to the mom and what anderson cooper was then like uh put in

via you know whatever green screen and like okay i need to see that it is there i mean i know this is where we're propelling but my point is is like and i'm not i mean sandy hook i remember where i was when i heard about sandy Hook and it was horrific. And I don't believe for a second that there's like, it's all fake or anything like that. But like Alex's thing has always been that. I remember watching him go to Bohemian Grove. And when we did the fucking record on, this is back when nobody was paying attention to him. It just certain small group.

But I remember we did the Black Ribbons record and we took a clip of the laughing for he went he snuck into bohemian grove and filmed the ceremony and there's like a scene where they were not a scene i guess seen in his film but there's a part of that where they're doing the ceremony and they have this like it's like disneyland when you go watch the owl god yeah yeah but's like, it's done in a way where it's like Disneyland when you watch like the fairies fly around the castle. Like there was a whole thing where there was like a laugh that happens at the end of the Moloch thing or whatever. The big owl and the funeral party.

The guys dressed like druids. Right. So like I used a part of that. But I remember watching that documentary and, you know and his deal has always been so over the top where you go, he's like, go to the local people near Bohemian Grove. He's like, we're looking for where the Satanists go to go do their thing. And it's obviously, at this point, it's not people who are knowingly Satanists. It's really old, fat, rich guys that go there.

And there's probably hookers and all kinds of shit because that's what happens at big, rich things. Especially in the 90s. You can get away with it. Right. And so now with all this and they're crucifying him, especially the Megyn Kelly thing, and I just feel bad for him.

What do you mean especially the Megyn Kelly thing? Because that was clearly a hit piece with Alex because she buddied up to him and then focused that piece on the Sandy Hook thing. They had their talk. But in her defense, how could she not? Of course. She's got it. If you're going to interview Alex Jones.

If I was going to come, but if I came here with the intention of just talking to you and then all of a sudden you were like, hey, on this day, on this thing, when you did this thing, you focused on this one thing. I would be like, oh man, this is a hit piece. Yeah, but you're a musician, and this is what he does. I know. Alex is my friend.

He's been my friend since 1999. I get more shit from being friends with Alex Jones than anything else in my life. Because Alex Jones, you know what? I'm just saying. I'm sure I'll get hit for this. But the point is, I'm ready for it. You know what?

I don't have time to check it. Maybe next year. But the reality is, I just think that, and I'm not even here from the side of the political point of view. Is this it? Let's watch this video. This is the video. It says HD quality Anderson Cooper's disappearing nose. Greenstein clip debunked.

Do you see that? Hold on. Do you see what it says? It says debunked. Yeah, this explains what happens. I think they had another person there. Hold on. Let him talk.

There's a bad quality video right here. It'll play about three seconds in. There's a weird part on his nose that happens. But to say it's a green screen, I would disagree. Well, the same people that are looking for conspiracies and everything, they used this to say that the space station didn't exist. Right, but hold on. It's like right around right there. Hold on. And you can't even really see it.

Something really happens to his nose super quick that looks like it was just like a digital glitch. That's it? No, that's not it. This is what this thing says. I couldn't find it anywhere else. You've seen the other piece? Yeah, I mean, he leans forward his nose. Look, here's what I think.

I think that they had a stand-in because he couldn't be there. But hold on. You might be wrong. I could be wrong. We're talking about several years ago. You might have a fucked-up memory of this. Let's try to find the video. Well, they said he was there all week shooting from the exact same location.

Maybe he was. Maybe I'm wrong. But I mean- They got you. They got to you, Shooter Jennings. They didn't get to me. The point is, I would say the same thing if I saw it. When you make more than $100,000 a year, a dude knocks on your door and starts talking

to you about conspiracy. $100,000. No way. Yeah, right. Well, if you're making $34,000 a year, you look at people that make $100,000 like, damn, I could pay all my fucking bills. How do you get to that $100,000 level?

Well, you got to sell out, son. That's how people look at it, man. But there is a threshold. There is a threshold. I remember when I was broke, I had a Suburban. I wasn't broke, but I was doing all right. But I had a Suburban, and some guy and I got into a fucking road rage situation on the highway.

And he goes, you fucking rich asshole. I go, rich? I'm like, I'm driving a fucking Suburban, man. Like, what is rich to you? Rich is driving a Suburban? What the fuck, man? I already had the rich thing because people thought that I was rich because of my dad, which I never really was. I mean, he was supportive of me, but once I got here, I was kind of on my own, and I liked that.

But then once I talk about Bitcoin with you like fucking five years ago or whenever it was I was here, three years ago, everybody's like, oh, you've got to be rich now because of that. I'm like, I'm fucking not rich. Yeah, but I mean, look. What's up? Bitcoin up to like seven grand now? Yeah. It went up to 19 for a second.

It keeps going down. It hadn't dropped very much below six grand. But I mean, when I was here with you, it was like less than a grand. But, you know, what I'm trying to say about this is not like I'm not validating his this Anderson Cooper thing, but that dude has always been fishing for things like that, and it's always been his gig. It's been his gig from Columbine. It's been his gig from all of this,

and I understand the passion and the emotion involved with the children that died in Sandy Hook, and I'm not defending him on that deal, but at the same time, that's always been this guy's gig. I feel like that is where he legitimately fucked up. I don't think he's... If you take away... I got to defend him.

I just got to say it's okay for him to fucking fuck up. Yeah, but this is a silly fuck up. He's saying that for sure it was a fake. But did he say for sure it's a fake? Yeah, he did. People sent me the clip. They sent me the clip of him saying that it was 100% fake. He thought it was fake, so he said it.

He thought it was fake? Yeah, he thought it was a false flag, so he said it. I mean, I also think, George. Hold on, that's a part of the conspiratorial thinking that's a real problem. It's like saying you know. He said some shit about me. He said some shit about me that's 100 not true he said that pre or post your interview with him i don't remember i think it was post it was post

he said that the government threatened my family to stop talking about conspiracy theories no no nobody threatened my family no one zero never happened did not happen it is fake it is a lie someone told it to him i guess or he says someone told to him it didn't happen there's so that's me i understand but do you understand like how frustrating that is this is a minor thing someone him lying not lying okay someone he says someone told him i believe he's telling the truth. But it's not true. He could have fucking called me. He's got my number, man.

Call me. I understand that. So he didn't even bother calling me. Joe, I'm about to go live from Austin, Texas. I need to know, did someone threaten your family to stop talking about the moon landing and Bigfoot? Sturgill said he had that down. Do you fucking imagine they're going to threaten you? You got to stop talking about Bigfoot, man.

Like, well, no, I did a show. This is a well documented. I've talked about it a hundred times on the podcast. I did a show called Joe Rogan questions everything. And during that show over a period of six months, I fucking questioned a lot of shit legitimately, but I did it with researchers. We had a staff. We had producers we went and we we

actually went to like these places where these people are claiming to see ufos we went to these places where people are claiming to be able to uh what is that shit they do remote viewing remote view oh yeah we talked to those guys great movie we talked to all these people and i found a real a clear thread through all of it that i documented in my 2014 comedy central special where i said here's what you don't find when you go looking for bigfoot black people what you do find is unfuckable white dudes you You are more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people out looking for Bigfoot. Also alien abductions probably could be the same thing.

It's dudes who can't get laid and they go looking for hidden mysteries. This is a real big part of it. I know, I know. But my point is, from doing that show, it soured me off conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories were fun for me. And me and my, and especially Eddie Bravo, me and Eddie Bravo would get high and we'd

watch documentaries on flying rods and all these UFO documentaries and all the fucking Zachariah Sitch and shit. Oh, I love it. Oh, I love that stuff. I love that stuff. But here's the thing. My dad and I used to watch Chariots of the Gods all the time together. It all falls apart under scrutiny.

All of it. All of it does. All of it does. It's fun, but scrutiny. All of it. All of it does. All of it does. It's fun, but it falls apart if you're being a serious person. And if you're really being honest about what you actually know. This is the problem.

It's like the same, and the parallel is like, comparing to Alex Jones saying that my family was threatened is the same thing. My family was never threatened. No one ever threatened me. But he's saying this on the radio.

Why is he saying it? Because someone told him and maybe he believes it. And he also thinks it's fun to say. It's the thing to say if you're really into conspiracies. But this is the problem with these fucking conspiracies. They say things they don't know are true and they

say them like they're true. Now this is fine. But why is that an issue? It's fine. It's not an issue if you're talking about the Illuminati. If you're talking about your kid getting shot, if your kid's dead, and someone says, hey, man, this fucking Tom Smith on the radio saying you're full of shit, you're a crisis actor, and your kid's not dead, I mean, you're crying every night. You wake up in the middle of the night crying because some fucking guy- Well, I'm not defending that, obviously.

I'm not defending that, but you are a little bit. No, I'm just defending his right to be Alex Jones. Yes. That's all I'm defending. And I defend that as well. And I'm with Bill Maher on that. And I defend David Allen Coe for being David Allen Coe. What did David Allen Coe do?

Well, I played a show with David Allen Coe. This is not any, like, let's get Sandy Hook out of this because I'm not trying to talk about this like this. Let's make some distance. I'm defending the right of people to be who they are. And I love David Allen Coe's music and all that. But I played a show with David Alko one time. And my dad always would tell me these things about him.

You know, he really, he liked David and everything. But there was always kind of a little distance of like, there was a showmanship part of him. And they're like a good example of this, again, distancing from Sandy Hook. But a good part of it was that when when David Alko we did a show with him one time my mom was over on the side of the stage with me I was opening for him this is many years ago before I even had a first record out or anything um and David Alko

did a you know we did our song our set and then he played and he was on stage and he performed a song my mom wrote called uh storms never last so my mom's over on the side of the stage and we're talking to my mom we're watching it and he's singing it with his wife and stuff the next night i'm opening up for him and he goes on stage and he goes last night jesse coulter was right in the front row when i sang this song with my wife and she was crying. And like, I'm sitting there going, I was here and she was not crying. She was standing next to me. She was not on the front row. Right, right.

My mom, Jesse Coulter, wrote this song, Storms Over the Last. And that's his character. That's who he is. All I'm saying here with like, I'm as forgiving about him lying to the audience because that is what he's doing at the moment it's his i could sit there and go you know what you're lying i'm going to take you in the back we're going to talk i'm going to tell this audience tomorrow night he's a liar he's a piece of shit fuck him i'm not going to do that because it's david alco he's but you just did it on the show which is a much larger audience but I'm not calling him a piece of shit

I'm just saying I could do that but why would I do that to him because it's like you know I just feel like look man the times that I met Alex the times I've been around him yeah man his gig is this and he got called out for a specific thing yes

it involved the lives of children and everything that I understand that I'm not at all sympathizing for the, those family or for him versus those families. But I'm just saying, I just think that like at the moment, everything is so hot with this and it's, and it's kind of exhausting and it's the internet is the reason for it. And in my opinion, because I think that like all the years that have come along the mass amount of people that have migrated to social media the way that the integrated conversations happen the way that that stuff ends up on the news

now like AOL chat rooms in fucking 1998 that shit did not end up on CNN people were not listening to those the best you could get the closest you could get to fucking TV was to catch a predator when you were on that at that time. And I feel like at this point in time, people need, again, not those families.

Their lawsuit, that's fine. That's their thing. But I just feel like people need to lighten up a little bit in the sense of I just think that the social media thing is very hazardous. And I think that people's faith in all of it, it doesn't have to do with fake news and it doesn't have to do with Russian bots and all this shit. I just think that Alex Jones is a casualty

because he's always been that guy. What do you mean by it doesn't have to do with fake news and Russian bots? I mean that there's always excuses for all the reasons why people believe.'s real right i believe that of course fake news is real but no no russian bots are real i mean there's like there's there's an npr document no no no a radio lab podcast about um russian troll farms it's fucking fascinating it's really interesting i mean these people show up at work and their their basic job is to put propaganda out on instagram and social media and twitter

and comments and i agree all that stuff i agree but but let's let's get out of the let me let me tell you an example uh what i what i have seen of this i run a bulletin board system called bit sunrise which is like old technology that used to be modems used to dial a bulletin board system called BitSunrise, which is like old technology that used to be modems used to dial into bulletin board systems. You can telnet into it. Telnet is a port. Port 23 is the telnet port. Well, DVRs also share port 23. So DVRs like your direct TV that is connected to storing your phone? Not all. Yeah. Will you like if you if you record a show on a weekly basis?

It is. There is an open port. It's not always 23 on the units, but it's shared with with the telnet port. So during the election, during the months up to the election, the months after the election, I would say four months, five months leading up five months after. would say four months, five months leading up, five months after. On my bulletin, this is kind of technical when I'm trying to explain this to you, but when you telnet into a computer, for mine, you would telnet in and it would give you a login. It has a picture that's drawn and you put your name and your address or your password in and you log in. Well, during the five months leading up to the election and the five months afterwards, I was getting every day, probably all day long, 10 or 20 connections that were coming in. And they were just, I wouldn't say a bot.

They were like, they were scripts that were trying to log into DVRs and trying to log into IP cameras that you can control and everything like that. So I was watching for that about a year period. So let me pause you here. So you're saying that these bots were trying to control DVRs and cameras that people have on their television? They were just testing. And 90% of them were coming from China. 10% of them were coming for china 10 of them were coming from maybe russia and other places but 90 china korea because you can look at the ip

addresses so what are they testing for the testing all their flaws all they're trying to do is they would try they would be looking for a linux login which would be like um you know login like if you were to telnet or ssh into a device like that the first thing we get was a login and usually its root is the controller and so they're just trying to find they're just just blindly mass blindly going to ip addresses and trying to hack into them root and then they try password then they try like this they try that they try the black you know so the russian bot thing i understand that but i don't think it was a coordinated effort i think that like all during that whole time i was watching my computer like i have it's kind of i'm getting real nerdy here but it's like i have these games that like in the people play and like once you

get past the 13th 14th 15th node which essentially means like once there's 15 people playing at the same time then the game stopped working so i would be having to deal with these chinese and russia thing russian and all these all of them just mass trying to just break in and it was because of the dvrs and because the ip cameras like they were really literally trying to hack your system to just do whatever. I don't know what the purpose was, but I watched it and it was China mostly. I mean Russia was a small amount. And I think that all those countries all the time have people that are constantly trying to hack and interact with these – with our shit.

I mean it's just a thing. Well, there's that as well. There's that as well. Yeah, but I think it thing. You know, there's that as well. There's that as well Yeah, but I think there's that as well, but there's also people that are absolutely trying to influence elections They're absolutely trying to influence our system and they're trying to manipulate Political parties and they're trying to start dissent and this is one of the things that's really fascinating about this radio lab podcast Where they talk about how these Russian troll farms literally set up protests.

They hired people to pretend to be Donald Trump, and they hired people to pretend to be Hillary and put her in a cage and have people chant, lock her up. This is all manufactured dissent and manufactured outrage that they're strategically promoting. That's fascinating to me. But here you've got to think. Pause for a second. That's fascinating to me. But here you got to think, pause for a second.

You got to think, Russia is, you're talking about a giant place. Okay. So to pretend that what's happening with these people hacking into DVRs and web cameras is all that's happening. No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I've witnessed that. You witnessed a small example of what happens when people are exploiting vulnerabilities in systems. But that doesn't mean that's the only thing that's going on.

No, I'm not saying that at all. No, you're not. But I want to clarify. There's a lot of things that are going on. There's a lot of things that are going on because people are dealing with this new technology and these new systems. What do you think happened there? In which way? Well, with the Russian hacking election thing.

And I don't like to get political because I don't really fucking understand it. You don't have to get political. Look at it objectively. No, no. Look at it like a system. 100%. Look at it like this. Look at it like you have a body, okay?

And your body has an immune system. Right. And your body's immune system is constantly under threat of all sorts of different things. You fucking touch a doorknob. You wipe your nose. There's a lot of shit going on, right? This is very similar, if you just look at it objectively, to what happens whenever you have a server on the internet.

When you hear about the Republican Party getting hacked into or different people's emails getting exploited by someone from outside that's a hacker. What is that? Well, they're trying to find a way through the system. It's just a natural thing. If you put up a wall, people go, hmm, how do I get past that wall? If you make $34,000 a year and a guy makes a million dollars,

oh, what does that guy know? This is a natural thing that happens. Yeah, but how is this any different? I guess what I'm trying to ask about this, it's like when i was watching that happen with my system it's like how is this any different than what has gone on for the last hundred years because it's new okay because it's new because no one has been able to discover no no it's new no one has been able to get into your folders before no one's been able to get no

no one kid sitting in czechoslovakia who has a computer has been able to figure out how to turn your webcam on and watch you beat off. This is a new thing. But we didn't have a webcam to beat off into before. It doesn't matter. But you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I do. This is a new thing. This is a new thing.

So because this is a new thing – It's human nature. I feel like for some reason it's the exact same thing. But it is human nature. It is human nature, but I don't understand what your point is. It is human nature, but I don't understand what your point is. Well, I guess what I'm asking here is in the way of the – I just feel like the Russian bot thing was – all of that. I feel like the Russian bots is a term for people who don't understand computers in a way, and they've just kind of thrown that out there as a political device.

Sometimes. I think that Russia, China, Korea, like every other fucking country that is enabled in a way in which they're so far ahead technologically was involved in all kinds of fuckery. And they're still involved. And they will still do that during the election. It was fucking a hundred times. For sure. But, you know, I'm just, I just, it's hard for me, you know, back circling around to the Alex Jones thing. All of this new technology, all of the people who are awake, woke on Facebook.

Woke, you gotta say woke. Can't say wake. They're woke on Facebook. If you're wake, they know you're an agent. Yeah, you're woke on Facebook. I'm so wake. You know, it's like, I felt bad for fucking Childish Gambino that he had a song that had Stay Woke in it because immediately that song that that was what an amazing song.

And it was it was that that term became dumb immediately. But but I just feel like all of this that's happening, all of this talk, all of the him getting banned all this stuff it's all this kind of like effect of the world instead of being out in the world everyone has has has gone to this point where it's you know these groups these really rich groups google and facebook and twitter and all this and everyone has has gone to this central point and now they're lynching people. Whether or not you agree with Alex Jones, whether or not you like him, whether or not I think he's being lynched in this situation. I lost you right there. So I get that there's all these people that are doing all these different nefarious things. This has been going on forever, and now they're using new systems to do that.

They're using the internet and all these open pipes and these connections that they can make to you. But the trick is that the public is there. They've gotten them to go to this one arena. That is my problem with it. As much of a nerd and a technology person I am, I hate that people have instead of really – I mean, I'm sure they have their own lives. But the fact that we have become so centralized to these small groups of internet companies like social media and things and then now look it's on both sides man i mean alex jones is getting lynched harvey weinstein whatever i know he's that's a very different things but every everyone that's

a very very very very very different i'm not defending him but i don't understand how you made that behavior what's the connection? The connection is the fact that- The connection is people are just attacking him. They're finding a place to attack. Because the minute, look, those people could have suits against Harvey Weinstein. We can know about it, of course. We knew about it because of the Wall Street Journal or whoever, New York Times, who ran that thing.

Was it New Yorker? Yeah, it was the New Yorker. Yeah. Shout out to Ron Farrow. But like, I guess my this is an unpopular opinion, but I just feel like that the centralization of society into social media is resulting in a lot of things that are very ugly. And I think that the Russian bot thing, the Chinese hackers thing, the Alex Jones issue, the Me Too movement, all that stuff, which I'm behind all the people that were hurt. I'm behind the Sandy Hooks people. I'm behind the people who had the bad experiences in Hollywood, all that. I'm behind them. So what are you proposing? What are you saying?

I'm just saying that I think that it's unhealthy. I think the social media thing has become too centralized. There needs to be a decentralized source. How is it centralized? Because there's only a few groups like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I mean, it's 100% centralized. I mean, it's owned by several groups. groups it's several uh you know everyone's kind of going to mcdonald's to have these conversations as opposed to it being something that is a little more healthy i just find i just think that that people i think alex jones should have always been able to be crazy in his world and and he was always nice to me and you like you said he's your friend like like you know what the problem with alex is

he needs someone sitting right next to him someone like me someone when he talks and he says something crazy go wait a minute how do you know that and he goes well we have the documents well show me the documents well the documents don't say that well you know the problem is joe they are definitely trying to influence and he go yeah they probably are but if you leave him alone if you leave him alone and just let him rant by the way he's doing six hours eight hours of radio a fucking day and he's definitely likes to drink so he's doing six hours of radio a day at least three of them are drunk and he's fucking filling time and screaming and no one can say anything to him and he's the fucking man over there that's also part of the problem he's got a bunch of these other people that are around him all the time and they're conspiracy theorists as well

but they're 28. And then they're hanging out with Alex Jones, and he goes on these rants, and no one interrupts him. It's a broad argument with all of it, because I agree, but he was always transmitting. He was always like, hey, show me where the Satanists are going to worship, to sacrifice children. That's fine. I get it. But I think what happened is now the idea is that he's influencing people politically.

Like the whole, you know, the whole Podesta, Pizzagate, all that stuff scared the shit out of people when that guy showed up at that pizza place and fired off a round and, you know,

and then they wound up arresting him and they really thought there was a dungeon in the basement where they keep their kids. Again, centralizing in social media is the cause for a lot of these reactions. But is that centralizing in social media?

Or is that people exciting people to go and take action against something that may or may not even be real? Are you allowed to yell out fire in a crowded theater? Right? This is ultimately the problem. Right. It's not whether or not he believes in Bohemian Grove, which is real. And he proved it on video back when they had VHS tapes and I watched it. I mean, I've known Alex since 99 or 98, I think maybe. I've known him for a long ass time. And this is a very big difference between then and what's happening now as far as the reach and influence. And I think people are sort of panicking about reach and influence and what it means and how to mitigate it, how to change people, how to stop people from going into pizza places

and shooting them up because they think that something that they heard online is true. There's a lot of stuff that people hear online that is just not true. You know, the lizards underground or the fucking earth being flat. There's a lot of stuff that's just nonsense. So it's hard to separate here's what i think i think we are going through an adolescent stage as as a being as an evolving being and i think our bodies and our minds and our consciousness are becoming synchronized with technology and along along the way, like right now, we are in this chaotic, screaming, sweating, crying,

pissing, shitting state of chaos. And we are looking to figure out how to stop the bleeding. We're looking to shove thumbs into dykes. Dykes meaning like dams. And we are looking to try to figure out a way to stop the bleeding. We're trying to put patches and band-aids on things. We're trying to manage the chaos. We're trying to figure out what.

And this is a stage that we're going through. Because this, hold on a second. This is a new thing. This is a new thing for human beings. The ability to communicate widespread over millions and millions of people instantaneously is a new thing. So people have say that never had say before. They have influence that never had influence before. They have their ability to contribute, and they might not have thought these things through.

And these things catch fire, and they run through dry forests like a goddamn tornado of flames that you see on CNN when the Mendocino fire up in Northern California. This is what happens with ideas because there's no way to contain them and they don't know what's right or what's wrong. I think that what we're going through from the period of 1994 to the period of 2018 is like a crazy fire in the middle of a hurricane. It's like everything is nuts and no one knows how to stop it and no one knows what to do. And what do we do? We get together in shelters and we fucking give people water and we try to stop the fire and take away everyone's lighters. And that's what we're doing right now. We're trying to take away lighters. We're trying to stop people who

start fires. And this is what's happening with Alex. And it's not that Alex is a bad guy. this is what's happening with Alex. And it's not that Alex is a bad guy. It's that he's by himself. Irresponsibility. It's irresponsible to say that you know for sure a fact that these parents from Sandy Hook are crisis actors and their kids never died. It's irresponsible. And he didn't think it was irresponsible when he was doing it because he's probably caught up in what he does and he's caught up in the wave of ad-libbing just like you and i are ad-libbing we didn't even talk about what the fuck we were going to talk

about right you just turned on we went we just turned on and went we had a couple of drinks right you're what you're saying there is very right i don't mean to cut you off it's okay but but what you're saying there is very smart because to me uh you know it is it's you're right. He has always been doing this. And at this point in time, his reach has grown. Right. Now there's a win behind him. He used to be in Seattle. It was raining every day. And he had a little patch of dry newspaper. He'd light that shit on fire and everybody go, ah, Alex is crazy. Yeah. No, I agree. I think what I'm trying to articulate, and I'm not doing as well as I wanted to, but I think what my problem is, is the synchronization of consciousness is what I'm not into. I think that, I think, you know, just like you have a rut of people who believe that, you know, now believe that the Sandy Hook thing is fake, and they're calling the families because of this conversation.

This is where that lawsuit is really coming from, because the other people. But then you also have another side of it, and it could be as such. You know, back in the day when they said that Paul McCartney was dead, and they got harassed, but it was on such a small level because there was no way to just email Paul McCartney

or email and say you're not the real Paul McCartney you're fucking dead there was no way to exchange these ideas amongst people constantly in real time on Facebook all day long which is the centralization that creates these rivers

and these ruts that people who don't know what to do in, they fall into one rut or another and they kind of become this kind of streamlined thing. So I think the way you just described it is very articulate. This is a new thing, Matt. It is. This is a new thing.

We are in a really exciting time. Well, why I say that? Because they used to say that about the printing press. They used to worry about that with the written word. They used to worry about that with everything. The distribution of information is not whether or not it's healthy. It's just a part of what this being does. What this being does is constantly search for innovation and novelty.

That's what the human being does. But, like, I guess, yes. Look at your phone over there, man. You got a fucking iPhone. Don't you think you could go to the people making iPhones and go, hey, bro, we're good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is it. This is fine.

Stop right there. But it's not, we're not good. These motherfuckers are ready to come out with an iPhone 11. They're not going to stop. The guy who invented the web invented hyperlinks. And the idea was that if someone wanted to get high dude this is just oh i'm in i'm in so like the guy invented the web i don't know his name and i should know his name out gore motherfucker oh right yeah that's funny you

think he lies so this cat this cat all he wanted to do was make it basically were like medical documents where you would where you would say you know, this guy had a brain transplant and then brain transplant would be underlined. And you clicked on that and it would take you to a link that explain brain transplants. And that would be worldwide. So the internet is decentralized and the web is decentralized to some degree. Okay. Now Google coming in with search engines like that's focusing points what scares me is those people being the like facebook being the avenue in whichever be talks like i i would scare you is that weed i just handed you holy shit i took two hits and i'm not even here anymore i'm in a neighborhood yeah i am very high that's a blunt that's legit

i took two hits. I like the little glass thing. Oh, yeah. Don't fuck around here in California, son. But you know what I mean? Like, I just have a problem with the centralization of the companies owning the avenues in which people talk. I'm right with you on that. I think we need more YouTubes.

I think we need more venues for people to distribute information. But I also think we need more love. Oh, 100%. This is more compassion. There's so much hate and anger towards each other. Let's keep going. I feel like I'm going to get nailed here on this because I am not. Well, that's part of the nervousness about doing a live show, right?

Yeah. Especially while you're intoxicated. I'm not. I would say the same. Well, I mean, I'm not that intoxicated. I'm very nervous right now. I have a fucking drink. But I would say. I just have this game. I'm very nervous right now. I have a fucking drink. But I would say.

I just have five hits. I'm very nervous. I would say that, oh, this is one of those ones where they. Yeah, it's tobacco. Tobacco and some shit that was grown on Mars. You know, Armstrong grew this weed. Man, see, I, again, again, it was just like there was a point in time. Well, you're trying to make sense right now.

This is part of the problem, right? I know. This is why I wanted us to get out. And we're getting super serious about topics that are very, that mean a lot to people. And we don't really know enough about it. I just feel like, I just wish that there weren't, like, again, I just, I feel like there's ruts that people have to fall in to communicate. And there's ruts that are have to fall in to communicate.

And those are ruts that are owned by these companies that are very fucking rich and very expensive. Well, here's the thing, too. These companies didn't see this coming. I'm libertarian. I'm not either way. And I'm not really that. I don't even fucking know what that is. All I know is I don't believe in trusting anybody who says, hey, I'll take care of you. Come this way. Just don't worry about a thing. And they're the ones making all the money. And it's like, that's how the

internet has become. It used to be a wild West of information. Emails are fucking information. That is, that's me communicating with you and no one else seeing it. That's beautiful. And I think the idea of Twitter and Facebook and all that is fantastic when it first started. But at this point in time, it's gotten so big. If it doesn't break up into something where people figure out that they are in control of the internet, not these other people, that's what bothers me.

Okay, so what bothers you is that someone comes along and says, the people aren't in control of the internet. So it's not like a free market. It is a free market. It was a free market. It's a free market. A on. It was a free market. It's a free market. A guy like Alex Jones, you say, this guy's preposterous. I'm not listening to him anymore. When it's not a free market is when YouTube, I don't know if they collaborate or if they just all agree.

I don't know if they all agree, but they just all decide. Everyone's going to take them off. Facebook's going to suspend them for 30 days. Twitter's going to suspend them for a period of time. YouTube's going to remove them. All these people are going to take Vimeo, jumped on ship, and they pulled them off too. So this becomes an issue. What is it that causes you to get removed? What is it? And should we be really clear on that? Or is this just a whim? Because this is a really important thing. If we

really are fucking with free speech, we have to be very careful. And what we decide is a valid reason to pull people off of our airways. Because if you have stuff on your airways that's far more vile and you let that stay up because it doesn't have the same reach. Like what is your criteria? It doesn't have the same influence. It doesn't have the same political ties to it. Like what is the reason why you're pulling one thing off and not another thing is it because of a popularity issue have you searched your trillions of fucking hours of footage for offensive speech content ideas uh disinformation

what have you what have you really done to mitigate this issue? Or are you acting on this because it's a social hotspot issue right now, which it most certainly is and most certainly should be? I really think that Alex needs a guy right next to him. He really – if Alex and I did a show together – I feel that way about Howard Stern. Meh. No. Not the same comparison because Howard's – Listen, man.

I listen to him every day but sometimes i want to be like dude are you kidding me but that's also part of his charm part of his charm is he creates dissent and arguments and you want to get mad and you want to either he's opinionated well but howard stern's very responsible he's a different guy it's not it's not the same thing i mean i'm not trying to compare alex to him I'm just saying that sometimes I feel the same way about him. People feel that way about us right now. Oh, yeah. People tell me, quit cutting fucking Giorgio Moretta tribute records and do a country record.

And I do a country record right now, and they're like, ah, it's kind of corny. No. No. I've got a record coming, by the way. I'm sure you do. Dude, I told you I wake up to Triskaidekaphobia every morning. I love the E. That's a fucking fact, man.

That's the Stephen King record. Watch. I'm going to fucking set it so people know I'm not bullshitting. I'm going to set my alarm. What time is it right now? It's 2.05. I'm going to set my alarm for 2.05. 2.05.

Perfect. You got one minute. I love it. Triskaidekaphobia. You know, I also, just along with what you're saying, is it's like, you know. Oh, it is 205, God damn it. It has to be free, the whole thing.

No, it's 204. Oh, your cathode ray light or clock. That thing's bullshit. Oh, it just turned 206. Come on, bitch. Why don't you go on? Hmm. Try it. It thinks Come on, bitch. Why don't you go on? Hmm. It thinks I'm retarded.

Let's go with 2.08 p.m. That's a fact. We'll give ourselves a little buffer. No, I just feel like, you know, and fucking this topic could be... No, listen, man. We're not qualified to have this conversation, but no one is.

So it's just as long as we're honest about how we feel about things. No, listen, man. We're not qualified to have this conversation, but no one is. Yeah, yeah, I agree. So it's just as long as we're honest about how we feel about things. Look, you can go, oh, you guys are off. You guys are off. Yeah, we're a little off. I believe in protecting children's innocence in a certain way that I agree with YouTube not allowing porn and stuff like that. Because my kids look at YouTube all the time. But what about Twitter?

Twitter allows a certain amount of porn. Sometimes I'm flipping through my timeline. I've got to duck my phone down. I've got to go, yo, Kendra Luss, slow it down. Yeah. Nice call out. Yeah, I mean, you know, it may as well have, like, I believe if ISIS, if Alex Jones,

and if the unboxing of the LOLs can exist. What does that mean? Wait a minute, what's unboxing of the LOLs? My. What does that mean? What's unboxing of the LOLs? My daughter, these toys, LOL Shopkins and things like that, where they show videos of them, or the slime videos of doing the slime. Oh, okay. I was confused. YouTube and those kind of things.

I just think that there is a certain level of, like, just ignore it if you don't like it. Well, it's not your thing. The lawsuit thing, totally, that's out of this context a little bit he went too far with that there's a big difference between something that you might find gross and something that changes culture so i think what they're worried about is do you remember when jim acosta did that uh he went to that trump rally and they went crazy on him do you remember that shit i don't know it was a recent thing like a couple weeks ago. He's a CNN anchor who is reasonably self-righteous, but he's in a difficult situation. He has to challenge the

president of the United States, who is also a famous celebrity billionaire guy who has his name on buildings. I mean, this literally is Rosebud. This is the tale of Citizen Kane. I mean, this is someone with ungodly power and influence. And I'm not standing up for Jim Acosta. I'm just going to say, just put yourself in that guy's position. What a crazy spot. You're yelling out questions at the President of the United States, who also happens to be Donald Trump. You think like you're on acid.

The world has gone into a vortex of crazy, and you're the guy by some fucking freak of chance, whether you're Jim Acosta or Don Lemon or fill in the blank. Everyone. Oh. Damn it. It went off.

You heard it. You hit the button. I accidentally hit the button. I did hear it. I'm going to set it to nine so I can do this correctly. But I mean, if you're one of those fucking people, I'm going to hold this bitch over here. You hit the button. I accidentally hit the button. I did hear it. I'm going to set it to nine so I can do this correctly. But I mean, if you're one of those fucking people, I'm going to hold this bitch over here. It was the weed. You thought, oh shit, I got to turn that off.

Yeah. I only have a few seconds to go. If you're one of those fucking people and that's your job and we expect them to handle that, that's probably like being Beyonce and The Rock on steroids. Yeah, it must be any of those people. But in a negative way. It wouldn't be those two because those are like very beloved celebrities. Like very few people are as beloved as The Rock or Beyonce.

They're pretty much universally beloved. I think they're the same person. Uniquely so. They're so loved and so deserving of that love. But if you're a guy, like who's a real, like Tekashi69, that kid, like you imagine the hate that guy gets all day. Now imagine what- Who is that?

He's a rapper. Listen to this. I love it. Brother, every morning I wake up to you, my friend. I love it. I hope this doesn't get us pulled off of YouTube. Well, Alex played that whole thing on the air. wake up to you, my friend. I hope this doesn't get us pulled off of YouTube. Alex played that whole thing on the air.

Shooter Jennings, bitch. Recognize. Oh, you brought an album. Oh, we own it. We can sign off on it. Oh, that's yours. Oh, beautiful. That's my new record.

Dude, I love it. Thanks, Adam. Dude, you got some badass fucking music. Oh, thanks. You really do. I love your music. And you know one of the things that I love about your music? It's all different, man.

You got some straight up country. Put the O back in country. You've got that whole album, man. It's like a badass country album. But with this twist. like a badass country album you know but like with this twist like a respectful country album that also has a lot of like modern wickedness to it you know i appreciate that was the point like when we were like when we were doing the first record it was me and ted russell camp who still plays with me and leroy powell who doesn't play with me anymore but he played on that

record he played guitar b record. He played guitar. Brian Keeling was a drummer. We started doing our shit. Like our idea was we were living here. You know, I just, I, 2003, we started recording the first record and I had moved here three years ago.

And we were like, our whole thing was like, we like rock music because it sounds cool. And we like Dylan and we like, you know, even I wasn't even smart enough to like Dylan. Then we were like into fucking, you know, Bowie. And I was I kind of came from the Nine Inch Nails side.

That's how I got into music. We kind of talked about that in the other show. But like by that time, the idea was like, can we make country music? We like the old stuff, but have it sound cool. And why can't we bring in like the stuff that rock that's cool about rock and why can't you go psychedelic and why can't you kind of push the limits that way and we were just dumb and trying to do it that way and dave cobb who produced this record we met to we met that back then and he produced the first record and he was the same way we were like more beatles stones bowie kids musically in the amount of

records we listened to and you know obsessed over pig floyd and stuff you know then we were a country so we were kind of trying to blend those two back then i you know but we were just just trying and starting and doing weird shit and and then after a while, just evolving. Yeah, but then your next album would be totally different. Like, you don't give a fuck, dude. It's about the record, man. You're like a guy who invested in Apple in the 80s. Because you just do your music, man.

You do your music, and whatever you're into right now is like what you do. It's really interesting. I appreciate that. I mean, I've listened to every one of your CDs, music and whatever you're into right now is like what you do it's really interesting like i appreciate it i mean i've listened to i've listened to every one of your cds and there's only a few of them that are even similar you know similar to each other they're all they're all your albums i guess you can say albums again because it became cd for a while but who the fuck gets a cd old man and then it's like i can't say online playlist your newest online playlist

like what do i say about your newest albums our playlist man it's like your newest audio release yeah man uh no you know i once black ribbons happened man i did the first record and that was kind of my take on country and our take as a band and dave cobb and then but before that record came out we started recording the second record and i was like the first song i wrote was the song electric rodeo and we and i was like i wanted to go heavy i wanted to like just really show up and and like do this kind of hard rocky sounding and what i mean by that is like you know fucking we're into zeppelin and shit we're in like 90s music it was like uh you know 70s shit but it was like hard rock crazy effects and we're gonna song kind of

going crazy but with the song the country songs there and i always felt if electric rodeo got considered a country record when it came out and charted then i felt we like we had done our thing but it did come out and it did chart. But once we came out with that, we had Universal who had been behind us. And they had basically been, the people that worked at Universal had been kind of, in my opinion, in their opinion, duped. Because Tony Brown and Tim Dubois, who believed in me, and we had done this record without a deal and I sent it to Tony Brown because I knew I just as a kid had met him and him and my dad had done business and I liked him and there was he had made me feel like he liked me so I sent him this record after me and

the band and Dave did the record and uh they believed in me and they signed it and he kind of like remixed our first song so they would play it on radio. And Tony was a big producer, still is. I mean, he produced like the first bunch of Steve Earle records and he played piano for Elvis. And he was our label head. So he kind of remixed it so we'd get on radio. So I'm thinking they like me because we have like kind of a number 24 hit. So I'm like, I'm going to hit them with some good shit now.

And then I hit them with what I thought was a good shit, and they said, this is not what we signed up for. We are out. You're out. And I never got to play on the radio again. So, you know. Well, after that, I stopped caring. That's on them, dude.

I know. The reason why your music is so – well, it's just good. I mean, I like a lot of great music, and your music is great. But it's also that you're clearly coming at this from an artist perspective You're not a marketing genius by any stretch of the imagination Your dad's fucking Waylon Jennings, dude. I mean you have the in of all ends You know what your dad is like a super legend, you know, I mean he's a super super legend, but you choose To legitimately carve your own path in this the wildest of ways it's

really interesting how you do that and i think that thoughtfulness that allows you to be free like that is also what allows you to explore these like complex issues like censorship or bitcoin or any of these things that are like whoa this is like this is some heavy stuff like you've you're you're you have a you have a curious approach to these things and an ability to express who you really are, right? Which is what comes out in your music. It's not like your image. You're just doing what you really feel when you're writing it.

And I think that's a big part of community. That's a big part of being a person. Like let some person uniquely be themselves. And I think this is a real issue with social media is that people are so terrified of expressing themselves because they're terrified of the hate they get back but then they get addicted to attacking other people that are failing or other people that are making mistakes and i get i think this again goes with this whole fucking chaos thing that we're talking about before i mean i think we're in the middle of a storm right now.

And I think that your take on Alex Jones and Bill Maher's take on Alex Jones and what we're saying here about him, it doesn't in any way negate arguments that you shouldn't say some of the things he's saying. We agree with you. But we also say, human beings, we have to figure this out together.

And if you start conflict, and one great way to start conflict is to ban and to take people down, pull people, call people a Nazi that aren't really a Nazi, like decide that someone's an alt-right white supremacist when they're really not at all. They're a liberal and a Democrat, and you know they are. You're saying crazy things because you're trying to demonize people and slot them into groups. We have to reject that with every fiber of our being, because this is tyranny. This is a type of group tyranny that although it's not connected to a network like the fucking, you know, the KKK or the Democrats or the Republicans, it's still this

chaotic group think thing that happens when we decide to go after people and stop being compassionate, stop being just a human being who recognizes that other human beings are flawed and they make mistakes and they do stupid shit. But as soon as you oppose them so vehemently for something that really should be treated with curiosity and compassion and maybe a little bit of understanding and mockery, instead of that, there's this anger and this vitriol that we just have to put a curb on shitty thinking i agree it's kind of like new roman coliseum social media it is in a way but it's also it's fighting the court cheering it on the court of public discourse

is massive now it just opened up a gate it was a little trickle it was like that fucking border patrol station in mexico it's hard to get in the country bro if you want to be that guy who risks his life in the middle of august and take your family through the fucking desert with a couple of jugs of water and you're gonna walk and hope you find a job yeah you know that's what it used to be like hey what this is like is the walls came down and they changed the law and everybody said go ahead in and. And everybody's in. Ah! And in and down, too. People going down, too. Up and down. Just opening it up.

It's getting crazy. See, this is what everybody's afraid of. And this is what's happening right now with information. This is what's happening for the very first time ever. Between this period of 1994 and 2018, it's been this inevitable change in the way people are able to express information. And who gets to express information? They'll question the legitimacy of someone who becomes famous through the internet, but not famous through NBC. He made it! He's on NBC!

Meanwhile, this guy is just talking to his webcam. He has 30 times as many people paying attention to him. Why is he wrong why is he incorrect because he didn't go through your established channels that have existed with when who's your gatekeepers oh guys like harvey weinstein were your gatekeepers bitch get the fuck out of here you don't get to dictate what's interesting or what's creative or what sounds good what kind of music people like It used to be that if you liked rock, you didn't like country. When I was a kid, you were a loser if you liked Kiss.

Dude, you would get categorized. I had to hide some music that I liked, and Kiss was one of them. That's funny, man. I told Paul Stanley he didn't seem to appreciate that. I told Gene Simmons once, too. I was like, dude, I'm sorry, but it was true. I was loyal back but it was true. I was loyal back when it was uncool to like Kiss.

And then it turned around and became super loyal. Eddie Bravo has the same story. We both were like embarrassed to be Kiss fans. But meanwhile, now I fucking love Kiss. I love Kiss. But, you know, I also love Willie Nelson. Right. You know, I love listening to all kinds of different shit.

Yeah, man. Country comes along, too. For me, I grew up with my dad, but country came along. Once I started living life and I started appreciating the songs, you know what I mean? Yeah. When you start actually kind of understanding the words and all that, and it hits you. Yeah.

And you're like, oh, shit, this shit is like the heavy shit. Yeah, it's like there's some deep, deep fucking emotions to country songs. I mean, Johnny Cash, just his lyrics alone, like some of his songs are fucking phenomenal, man. Yeah, yeah. They're phenomenal. Yeah. You know? You know what one always blows me away on Cash is the Man in Black.

Still to this day. The lines like, you know, the, what is it? The thousands that died thinking that the Lord were on their side. And then here's to the hundreds or tens of thousands that died thinking that we were all on their side. Like that verse and everything. I was looking at it. I forgot to look it up. Hey, would you mind looking up who wrote the Man in Black?

Sorry to ask you that, but i've been dying to know that because i wanted to know if shell silverstein was involved or if it was just johnny cash that wrote it but that's such a beautiful song dude how about um well folsom prison blues all right of course that's one of the all-time but how about god's gonna cut you down oh that's misty's favorite good lord that's a song i love that song that's a song that like chills you to your bones yeah because he was an old old man we did that song too oh my god that's good is that right the big kind of beat like yeah jesus christ that's good that one and the man comes around those two were really smoking and even like a boy oh yeah ridiculous that's shell silverstein That's why I was wondering.

Yeah, Shel wrote that. Shel's like the forgot, he's the guy that brought like the New York sense of humor and really cultured writing style, like the kind of Hunter S. Thompson world. He's the link between that and country music. Wow. For sure, Shel Silverstein. I got to be around him a couple times when I was young. He wrote it.

Though Cash wrote the signature song, Man in Black, to explain. country music for sure. Shel Sivestine. I got to be around him a couple of times when I was young. He wrote it. He wrote it. Though Cash wrote the signature song, Man in Black to explain the social conscience behind his wardrobe choices, just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back. In fact, he took to black simply because it was easier to keep clean on long tours. Hey, yeah.

Look at that. Early in his career, a fellow acts teased him about it, calling him the Undertaker. Oh, shit, he was the Undertaker. Before the Undertaker was the Undertaker. Sorry. These lyrics could really, I mean, they're this time right now. They're so good.

He was a monster, man. Johnny Cash is a monster. Yeah, he was cool as fuck. He's a monster. He just had this energy about him. Are those like colas? Yeah, they're zevias. It's a stevia-flavored beverage, so it doesn't have any calories.

It's guilt-free, mouth pleasure. Mouth pleasure. Yeah, man, he had songs that were, there's so many of them that were just, if you think about the time that he was writing them. And to come up through the sun scene in Elvis and all that. That was a weird thing. He came in through Memphis. Yeah.

Yeah, he was a beast, man. No question. And seemed like he kind of died on his own terms. He died like a man. He died after June died. It was like right after June died. That was also the way he was handling it, too. You know? did that nine inch nail song yeah it hurt yeah yeah that was awesome that was intense intense how old was he see if you can find that mushrooms the first time i saw that video i

was in my room my old here in la and in the star gun house that was the pink house over by the tom cat theater on santa monica boulevard you know what i'm talking about and and uh no paris nude that was the pink house over by the Tomcat Theater on Santa Monica Boulevard. Do you know what I'm talking about? And Paris Nude, the place where you can go in there. Oh, where's it at? You can go in there and take pictures of women. It's Santa Monica and Gardner. Okay.

Anyway, this little pink house we had over there. And I was watching that video on mushrooms and I was like, fucking, god damn. Let me see this. Did you find it? Yeah, I didn't find that year. It's 2002? When did Johnny die? I think...

2005 or something like that? No, it was like three. 2003? I was living in this apartment by the Beverly Center, and I was like, I remember that when that happened. Say three, Jamie? Yeah remember that when that happened. Say three, Jamie. Yeah.

Um, I saw him there. I, I got to be around him a lot when I was on the road with, when I was like, um, the first high women record came out, I was six,

five. And we all went on the road. And so like Willie's daughters, Amy and Paula were out. Yeah. No, actually and Paula were out. No, actually, maybe they were out. I think they were out. The Christophersons, they had their family.

And then we went again for Highwaymen 2. But the one where we were like five-year-olds. I wish we could play music on this show. I'll play that Highwayman song. I fucking love that song. Oh, man. And when Johnny comes on, I fly a starship across the universe divide. And when I reach the other side. Man.

Oh, man. That was a great fucking album. It was a great song. Have those guys all together. Yeah, it was cool. As a team. Chips Melman produced that record. It was fucking.

Phenomenal shit. I fly a starship. all together yeah i was cool as a team moment produced that record it was it was phenomenal shit i fly a starship that's uh jimmy webb wrote that who wrote you know by the time i get to phoenix uh galveston he wrote uh macarthur park he wrote all like that motherfucker of a songwriter and that song is kind of about reincarnation it's like his original song is about one person who lived through these different lives. And then he ends up getting a simple drop of rain after the starship. And he's a highwayman. Fuck. It's amazing.

That's what we're scared of. We're scared of being a single drop of rain again. I'd love it. It'd be so much fun. I don't know, dude. I'm having a good time. Yeah. I know.

Wouldn't it be easy just to fall for five seconds? For sure. For sure. Absolutely. And on to the next forever. How about that? How about for billions of years? How about you go back to being a single-celled organism?

You start from scratch, go through evolution again. You're like, no way. Totally. But you did it. It doesn't matter. What matters is the moment. And that's an impossible concept to grasp for people who collect stamps. Man. You got a bunch of shit you're holing up in your house because you're trying to put some and that's an impossible concept to grasp for people who collect stamps.

You've got a bunch of shit you're holing up in your house because you're trying to put some sort of rigidity to this ethereal world that we live in. You're trying to put some structure to this. And everybody forgets to enjoy it. Yeah, this is chaos. And I think that's kind of part of the point earlier too is it's just like, man, everybody gets wrapped up. You said it.

You were talking about when you were just afterwards, but you were talking about everybody gets sucked up into all these different, you know, fucking confrontations all the time. And it's like and it takes all of your attention. Like, I think the reason that I change that, I really do. I think that's fixable. I think albums aren't listened to like they used to be because we used to have so much time, man. You used to sit in your room and that's all you had. And now there's this constant focus. It's like there's a way.

And I think the only answer is there's going to have to be some established decentralization of the Internet that returns it to the form in which all can exist digitally as they do physically just like we do now and we're going to have to figure it out as i think that's coming dude i don't think that anyone's going to be able to stop it no regulation one of the things that's interesting is the people at the very top of the heap um we always thought were the proponents of free speech we we always thought that the repressive people were the right-wing conservative people that wanted to stop progress and stop nudity and people smoking pot. And, you know, and Tipper Gore wants to ban rap music. Remember all that? That's what we always thought.

Actually, Tipper Gore was a Democrat. That's a very bad analogy. Tipper Gore was Al Gore's wife. Remember Tipper Gore put the, she had the stickers. Stickers, yeah. Explicit lyrics. She got ahold of some fucking old school iced tea and blew her wig.

But we always, that's a bad example because she was a Democrat. It's a great example. But it is an example of like, forget about Democrats or Republicans. It's basically people in power trying to control other folks. This has been going on forever. Right.

It's just what people do. But we always thought of it as being the conservative ones that were like the most into suppression of free speech. You know, stop people from swearing. Stop the nudity. Stop the pornography. It was always thought of as being a conservative thing. swearing, stop the nudity, stop the pornography. It was always thought of as being a conservative thing.

But I would argue today, it's almost like your behavior is more restricted on the left than it is even on the right. The right has seemed to be more relaxed in terms of what they're willing to let people do. But the left is putting up all these boundaries for what people can and can't say, do and don't do. Tom Segura sent me this photograph of some sort of a sketch comedy group

where they were trying to figure out what you can and can't do today and what is okay to do in a sketch. And a lot of it was about gay people and trans people. And can you be a straight cis man playing a trans person? All caps, Absolutely not. Can you be a trans person playing a cis person? Yes! All caps.

You can do whatever you want. If you're a trans person who's a woman, you can play a man, and that's totally cool. But if you're Shooter Jennings and you go, you know what, man? I just think it would be cool to do a movie where I play a chick. No chance, buddy. You're not allowed to make believe in that way. You can't make believe in a certain way. They're basically saying your thoughts are not allowed to go down these roads.

There's no way you could manage this respectfully and with enough dignity to the people who are crazy. But this is my point. These people exist. And they're on the left now. They're super inclusive, super worried about diversity, super worried about people of color. And there's all these weird words that are thrown around, game words. I wish George Carlin was alive. I want to know what he would say.

Oh my God, he would have a heart attack. No, I just want to know what he would say. You'd bring him back to life. You'd kill him again with a heart attack. No, I just want to know what he would say. You'd bring him back to life, you'd kill him again with a heart attack. He would say what's similar to what you're saying, what I'm saying, I think, but probably better. He would just tell- Oh, he would be so-

Yeah. I just want to know. I just would die to know what he would say. This is, I mean, to use the title of my tour, these are strange times. Yeah, man. Legitimately strange times. Totally. Stranger than we've ever experienced before as a human race, I think. Yeah, oh, I think so. use the title of my tour these are strange times yeah legitimately strange times stranger than

we've ever experienced before as a human race i think yeah oh i think so i think we're on the uh beginning of it that's the the fucked up things i think that like the the change the internet is the thing the linchpin that changed society in such a way like you said the adolescent phase is a storm dude maybe the storm of information it's a goddamn hail dude. Maybe it's a toddler phase. A storm of information. It's a goddamn hailstorm. You ever seen those hailstorms where they hit those Ohio backyards and fuck up the pool? And everybody's in Scott screaming. And you're here in the house like it's getting attacked by rocks. That's what it is.

It's one of those hailstorms of information. You know? Yeah, man. There's never been anything like it. And it's good. It's good. But we just got to be nice to each other. We're all together in this thing together.'s the thing too man if people are nice other people

will be nice back this is the thing we got to realize that if you're nice other people be nice too we got to be nice to each other and that includes online you know and and then we got to be nice about all the other things in the world there's just so much that has to be thought of someone has to be so much that has to be thought of. Someone has to be, so much that has to be thought of not with this idea that you're going to live forever. Because a lot of like the way we behave is almost like we think we're going to live forever.

Instead of having this short trip where you should just like kind of be like as friendly with people as possible. And this is also something that should be projected, right? I should project it. You should project it. We should all get that idea out so that we all agree. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Let's just fucking, we could do this. Like even competition, it doesn't have to be that kind of conflict. Even if you're, you know, neighboring businesses, you can be friends and everybody will do well together. There's a lot of people, man. This is not a time where you have to control everything and everyone, and nor should you want to. It's like a giant summer camp. Like life is just one. It's your group. Where you have to control everything and everyone, and nor should you want to. It's like a giant summer camp.

Life is just one. It's your piece of it. That's a good way to describe it, dude. My kids are going to have their own summer camp that's going to happen, or are on their way at the beginning of it. Yeah, and these counselors ain't controlling shit. People are finger banging each other

in fucking outhouses. Summer camp's gay. You can't let a bunch of 14-year-olds run around the forest together four years every four years the head counselor changes yeah some guy it's like last time i was like oh we love that guy and this guy's like no nobody from the other neighboring camps are coming in you're like okay it's fine we vaguely knew when i was in boy scouts we vaguely knew that there was a potential that one of these camp counselors might molest you vaguely knew like there was a potential that one of these camp counselors might molest you

Like people knew you know no one ever did with them No one ever did but there was that thought when we were like I guess I was 13 or something down when I was in the boys house there was that thought like hey man this could go fucking sideways Anytime we're in the woods with some dudes Yeah, I want to be in the look the woods. Like, how well did they vet these people? See, different strokes taught me that. Yeah, are these people, like, legit Boy Scout, you know, instructors or whatever they'd be who really want to show everybody the way of the woods? Yes, most likely.

It's amazing. Amazing experience for young men. But just as human beings, anytime you get human beings, anytime you get a but just as human beings anytime you get human beings anytime you get a certain group of human beings and you leave them alone with large groups of kids you know you got to be super careful with what their motives are and how they handle pressure and how they deal with conflict and how they deal with sex you know like what do you you know you ever molested tell me when you were molested what happened you know like these are these you know you ever molested tell me when you were molested what happened you know like these are these are right it's a weird issues when you're talking about

dealing with children i know and dealing with them the youngest ones are eight and ten yeah see mine mine's seven and ten yeah i mean it's just it's a weird time when you're watching little human beings evolve and develop and you know it's hard to let it go, too, you know, for me, and I know for... But the analogy you just had was perfect. It is really like summer camp. But it's funny how, like, you know, from the day you're born, the day after,

somebody else's summer camp starts, and it kind of generationally goes on forever, and you kind of, like, realize that on forever and you kind of like realize that you're stuck in this like movie yeah in which that you have to try and do the best you know like for me it's like do the best with like your family yeah people you love and then like have the most fun and do like do the most damage in a good way like by the way all the people out there the summer camp counselors that are mad at me right now. I'm not saying. You're worried about that? Why do I want anybody to feel bad?

The vast majority of you are awesome. We're just talking about just in general human beings. It's the sheer numbers of human beings. If you get a certain number of people, there's a certain percentage of those people that are going to be a problem. This is the problem with cops. It's not that cops are bad people. So when you say fuck cops, you're crazy. You're going to need cops.

If something goes wrong at 4 o'clock in the morning, you want the man who has the courage to stand there with the bulletproof vest and shoot at the bad guys. It's the guy, you know, Sam, what's his name from Three Billboards? It was such a good role. You know, I'm talking about that movie.

Sam, who's in it? Sam. God, he's so great. The actor? billboards you know it was such a good role you know i'm talking about that movie three um sam who's in sam uh god he's so great he was the actor yeah he was i did not see that movie hickory's guide from the galaxy oh sam elliott no no no no no we love not sam elliott that's a good one though sometimes the bar ends you uh no sam what else you know he was in he was in hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy it He was in a great movie called Joshua. He was Z-Fod Beeblebrox or whatever. What is it, Jamie?

Three billboards. Sam Rockwell. That role is amazing. He's in that movie, The Moon. Did you ever see that movie? Bowie's Kid did. Have you met Bowie's Kid? No. I've never met him, but he's awesome.

That movie was awesome. Is that what it's called? Moon. The Moon? Just Moon. Just Moon? Yeah, that was great. I met him because he was dating Leslie Bibb.

Yeah, they're married. Yeah, they're married now. They were dating back then. When I worked with her in a movie, I did a Kevin James movie, Zookeeper, with her. I was her ex-boyfriendfriend who's a douchebag i saw that fun fun movie dude she's super cool man you want to talk about someone who's funny that girl from jenny johnson's friends with her they hang out oh that makes sense she's super fucking cool really smart too yeah um what was my point but i met rockwell there and now that was

the thing that i really got to me like a dude that movie moon is fucking amazing that movie moon it is a a movie this is this is how unusual this movie is there are no other actors i know it's amazing it's sam rockwell through the whole movie and it's a martian didn't didn't martian feel it's amazing feel like kind of like a diet moon when you saw it well Well. I felt that way. I didn't. I didn't because it was different. Because it was more about the hazards of colonization and without giving anything away with this movie. I can't give anything away because this movie is a mind fuck at the end. Yeah, it's great.

It's a mind fuck the whole way. It's a mind fuck. But it's a genius movie. I thought it was a diet Martian. I thought the Martian was a diet moon. genius movie I thought it was a diet Martian I thought the Martian Was a diet man Maybe I thought it was just another Well listen man

There's nothing wrong With like doing A take on Someone colonizing Another planet We have to be real careful About that No no no

Otherwise we're gonna It's completely separate It was a book and everything Right Just for me In my Eight year old movie Going seeing in person

I was like Man it's good But it wasn't like Moon I know but I have this problem with people are scared to do those fucking space movies. Do some more goddamn space movies. You know what I watch? I watch on the plane over here. I watch Alien Covenant again.

Love it. I've seen it five times. Actually, every plane flight I take, I already have them downloaded on this fucking iPhone, and I watch Prometheus and that back and forth. You should go to jail for watching Alien Covenant on an iPhone. I know, but you know what? I got it. It's there.

I don't have to have the internet. Right. And I'll have to pay for it. If it's on the thing, I'll watch it. You ever use that on Apple TV where you stream it from your phone to your TV? Yeah, I know, I know. That's incredible.

That's a lot of work. What? It's a lot of work. It takes two swipes. I know, I know. But look, I feel like that Alien Covenant was such a fucking good so good like and they they like canceled or something I heard that he was had another one Alien Awakening which is supposed to deal with

the time before after Prometheus and into Alien Covenant supposed to be the ship ride or whatever and I'm like and and they were going to shut it down. They're crazy. Here's what happens, man. When you get to a certain level of money when you're investing in those kind of films. Threshold. Yeah. There's a threshold because they're so expensive to make.

There's so much CGI and so much chaos and special effects. And Alien Covenant had a great fucking plot, too. I mean, everything was great. There were so many twists and turns and the aliens were terrifying. They explained them. I mean, there was so much to it. It was really fucking good. The fingering of the pipe.

But the problem is Prometheus for a lot of people was less than what they wanted. It wasn't that it was a bad movie. I really liked it. I thought it was fantastic. But they were setting some shit up, and it didn't do that well. And we were spending, I don't know how much the fuck they spent on those movies,

but they're super, super expensive. It's one of them. I mean, Aliens 2 was James Cameron. This is like Blade Runner level shit, in my opinion, in the sense where at first it doesn't seem like it's a massive thing, but it's just like for life it's that. Prometheus is fantastic. And the question that it opens, and the second piece where I got a shout out to Blake Judd,

because he said, hey, man, you're going to see it, but you're going to leave and you're going to be mad because you're going to have way more questions than before. And then I told the same thing to Sturgill. He was like, I'm about to go see Covenant. I was like, dude, you're going to be mad. I wasn't mad at all. No, I'm just saying because I want to see the next one. I want to know more. Right. You still don't know the engineer thing they seeded that was just one of their

planets like our planet that they seeded and they went there so you're like the next one should or or at least like the finishing story they said they want to make a world war of the worlds kind of thing where it was like all of a sudden these people descend, and it's the two opposing kind of parties, which is the David side and then maybe us ascending onto the engineer's planet, like finally, and it's all of a sudden these two opposing forces. So I think that's brilliant writing. It's fucking fantastic. Well, what you've got to realize is that movie, the original Alien,

goes back to 1979 with Sigourney Weaver, when she was as hot as the surface of the sun. She was running. She's the original feminist superhero. Sigourney Weaver is the fucking original badass woman in movies fucking up monsters. She's the original. All these other movies that came afterwards, whether they're fun, you love them, Resident Evil type shit or who was that

Kate Beckinsale chick who was a vampire kicking people in the head. I never saw those. Underworld. All those super badass chicks in movies, they all owe Sigourney Weaver.

She was believable, man. She was a scientist. A scientist or whatever the fuck her job was on that spaceship and she was the only one who lived in that movie. Spoiler alert, it's 1979.

Should have seen it. Yeah. But in that movie, they were worried about artificial intelligence. That's amazing. H.R. Giger designed all that shit, the space jockey and all that. But just stop and think about they were worried about artificial intelligence back in 1979. And that's like when you talk to Elonon musk it's like one of his primary concerns no he's supposed to do the podcast i i was in his physical presence at the ufc but i

didn't get a chance to communicate with him he was with his lady but we had been going back and forth through email so it was extra weird um but i didn't i'm working you know when i'm doing the commentary man i'm trying to be i don't want to suck people get mad at me right i try to do my best because i'm trying to focus i can't go yo elon what's up dude these fights are crazy bro there's no really real room for that but he's worried about artificial intelligence more than anything and i mean this you're talking about a super genius that has an electric car company a rocket ship company. He's drilling holes under the fucking ground.

He sells flamethrowers. I mean, get the fuck out of here. If this is the guy that's worried about artificial intelligence, we should be paying attention. And if you go back to – by the way, there was an article. I want to say it was the LA Times that compared Elon Musk to Donald Trump. It was like one of the most click-baity articles. They're fighting for their lives out there, man. These fucking journalists, they're fighting for their lives.

Good for them. They've got to get those clicks. God, I'm all tangled up in this thing. Your chain? Man, I love guys who are crazy and ambitious and make shit. Like Elon Musk, whatever is happening with him, the fact that he's like, whatever, I'll figure it out later. He just let it go and figured himself out. That's what's amazing.

As soon as you let it go, that's how high you are. You thought you were tangled. You're not even tangled. You're like making it tangled. Man, I'm a bro. I'm not that high. You got to break free, bro. You got to break free of these chains.

No, I just like guys. You know what? I'll talk about Sturgill for a minute. I have to shout out to my the Blocktronics crew, my antsy artist. I was talking about computers and BBSs and Blocktronics are an antsy artist

group. They're great. But Sturgill, it's so cool to watch him come up and he's like got this kind of angle. It like is makes me I just love watching him on your show. And I just have to say us hanging out and everything all these years later. He just has a sense where I feel like, wow, there's a rocket ship in this universe and we kind of speak the same language.

And it's like a cool vibe, kind of having another dude out there who has the same sensibilities and like when we hang out, you and me and him and everything, I feel like it's, you know what I mean? I know what you mean. He's a bad motherfucker.

Yeah, it's cool. No, I'm honored to be his friend too. Yeah. I'm honored to be your friend too, man. For real. I'm honored to be your friend. You took me. I came to go see you play and you took us in.

And then Dave Chappelle played right after you're like, oh, yeah, hey, my friend Dave's going to do a thing. And then he came up. You killed it. And then he killed it. And that was crazy, man. That was awesome. We're all lucky to know each other. Like, it's fun.

You know, it's fun to know cool people. But Sturgill has got some new shit coming out, man. He shared some stuff with me. He sent some uh images and explained what he's doing i can't wait to hear it it sounds fantastic it's gonna be a while yeah he sent me some yeah i can't i can't say nothing about it i'm on fucking i can't either i accidentally leaked the title of his last album i accidentally he sent it to me in advance and i put it up on instagram and i said this new sturgill simpson shit is off the charts no you did yes i did i didn't know and then he's like dude you fucked up i was like oh no and he was laughing he thought it was funny

like he just let people know about something awesome early but i was listening to it in the gym and uh while i was listening to it, I was in the middle of sets. And I was like, God damn, this is good. And then I just, I got to Instagram this shit. And I Instagrammed it. I didn't know. Hey, that's cool, dude. You did the same thing with my old record.

You put a picture of it up. You just screen grabbed your phone. No, I like to do that, man. I appreciate it. Hey, man, I appreciate your music, for real. Thanks. I was in Italy and I was about

to work out and you know how you just you know you have those iPhones where they have that little the cord

with the button you can press the button and it'll just start playing whatever you got on your iPhone it just goes right to cool mode I go to work

you know that song I go to work I go to work like a boxer you know it's like it's a great like I go to work song so I'm about to work. I go to work. Like a boxer. You know, it's like, it's a great, like, I go to work song. So I'm about to work out and this fucking song comes on. Almost like the universe is letting you know, look, dude, just don't try to think this through too much.

Just press that button. The song's there. I don't know why it's there. You don't know why it's there either. Stop thinking about it. But it's there. Right when you needed it. That song's there i don't know why it's there you don't know why it's there either stop thinking about it but it's there right when you needed it that song's there i go to work and then you go to work like it's weird there's a this is theater this whole thing is theater in some sort of strange way i can't yeah there's some there's some part of life that's seriously theater right man i mean it it to me the older i get i just feel like the more appreciative

for for like my dumber self for having gotten through it without more damage being done right like i'm so at this point in time you know like i just really appreciate everybody who puts an effort into the into life you know what i? So you feel like somebody's doing good. It's like you just, I don't know. It's like you and this show and how you've had this awesome career. And then I only met you the first time when I came on this show. And I smoked pot in the parking lot

and I was kind of out of it. And I was like, oh, and I came in here and didn't bring a record. That's why this time I was like, I had to make sure we had a record. My record's called Shooter. It's out now. I have to say something

I didn't talk about it all but John Hensley my manager back then he called me and Said you didn't even talk about the record once and I was like shit. I don't know man We just got talking and it was I mean, that's how it is with you, you know But I love doing that with you because it's like I'll go down the rabbit hole man I'll go down the house You know and I think people are scared to do that. I don't think there's anything wrong with having thoughts. I think we've got to stop yelling at people.

We've got to stop yelling. I think the anger that we express towards each other forces anger in return when it's not always necessary. Sometimes it's necessary. Sometimes you see Nazis in Charlottesville and you go, hey, you dumb fucks. Are you out of your fucking mind? You really want to categorize people by race? This is 2018. You've got to stop. This is some stupid shit.

I think the positive look at all of that is the numbers of those kind of insane people have dwindled to a point. I remember when I was a kid and there would be still Klan people and stuff. Which is the argument for free speech. The argument for free speech is ultimately people figured out and it balances out. Yeah, and it does.

I think it does. And it doesn't totally because let's just be completely honest. Some people do a terrible job raising children. And these children go out into the world and they're just causing damage everywhere they go. They're on fire and they're just running through dry bushes their entire life. They're creating chaos. And it's from what set them off when they were young, how they evolved. To expect everyone to have the same starting point and be judged on your emotional behavior,

judged on your emotional behavior, your impulsiveness, your dishonesty or your discipline, to be judged on those as if you all started from the same spot on the board is just crazy. Right. It's just crazy. And this is part of what we do. We judge based on results only. And when we see someone who fucked up, we don't go, okay, what happened to this person that made them so fucking crazy? Is it really their fault or is there a series of events that lead to you being who you are right now?

And maybe we should remap it. Maybe we should remap it and just look at it in a different way and say, look, we definitely don't want that result again ever. We've got to figure out why you got to that result. What made you break into the bank and put a gun in someone's face? How did you get there? That's true. It's like Manson said in the bowling for Columbine. He said, they said, what would you say to the Columbine killers? He said I would ask them

their opinion because it seems like nobody asked them their opinion. You know what I mean? Yeah, ask them what the fuck happened. Are they both dead? They're both dead, right? Well, it's tough to ask them their opinion. Yeah, but I mean, it's like you know make a lot of sense but you know the reality is ask someone who who broke like what made you break we've all broken in little ways in our lives and

we've all lived through it and we all appreciate other people who have done the same thing and when you get to a point when you get old enough where you realize you can watch when someone is having a moment that they can't make it through that you've kind of been through in ways you kind of find it you know those are the kind of people that i like that that will go and talk to that person because you can see that and i think that you're absolutely one of those kind of people because i've actually had conversations with you when we were backstage at the fucking comedy store or wherever we were when that night happened we had a conversation I don't quite remember the whole thing,

but it was about music and about listening to music. And it's like, you're a compassionate dude. And people who, that's all, it's about compassion. It's about compassion and stability. It's about recognizing the best times come when we're nice to each other. If you go to a bar and there's a bunch of strange dudes you never met in your life,

and an hour later you guys are high-fiving and laughing and hugging each other and you're buying rounds, that's a great time. Or you can go to a bar and someone wants to get in a dick-waving competition. Next thing you know, you get hit in the back of the head by a chair. That's possible too. Both things are possible. You know when one feels way better? The one that feels way better is the one where you meet a bunch of new friends.

These guys who you never met before are now your buddies. And then you realize, like, I just ran into a fucking bunch of awesome dudes who are now some of my favorite people ever. And if I didn't go out that night, who knows what would have happened? Just randomly ran into a group of amazing people and it changed the course of your whole life. That's possible too, man. But we've got to be that friend at the bar.

We've got to be that new friend at the bar. It's possible to, man, but we got to be that friend at the bar. We got to be that new friend at the bar. It's possible to do that, man. I think a lot of it is just the way we think of each other. There's a problem in our operating system. We have an ultra-competitive operating system and things we shouldn't be competitive in. I think part of the reason is we've lost a lot of competitiveness in life. I think people were competitive in life in ways where they were fighting for their survival. They're fighting neighboring tribes in the most brutal and primitive of days.

Social media. Yeah, and then as things changed and moved forward, that got less and less physical and more and more mental, and the body got frustrated. I think this is part of what's happening along the way. And then people started looking for competition in business you ever hear like weirdo business guys talk we're gonna fucking stuff their contract right up their fucking asses they get all crazy like they're starting a war man you know like super

hyper hyped up business guys yeah my competition has always been disparaging me with unique remarks about my past you know they get fucking so they want to kill the competition. Those people are weird, man. They're weird.

They're focusing on it the wrong way. That's some dinosaur shit. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the money thing. That's like if you're in the money game. Yeah, but you don't have to do that to be in the, even in the money game, you don't have to do that anymore. I guess. I mean, you're right.

But if you do, you know what I mean. you know i mean like you do something you love you pursue angles like you chose to pursue lots like similar to me we're similar in this way like you chose to pursue all these little different angles of the universe that are in the entertainment business but they are also like things you love like the ufc and then then know, all the different little, I mean, you've had so many different little angles that you've occupied to land up here where you get to just talk about all the shit that you love. Yeah, but dude, it doesn't make sense even to me. I wake up in the morning, like today I wake up, I go and work out and I'm sitting there going, what am I doing? Dude, look at this place. Show up and go do that.

It's fucking awesome. It's crazy. Like, honestly, I would love just- You wake up in the morning like, how am I doing? Look at this place. Show up and go do that. It's fucking awesome. It's crazy. Honestly, I would love- You wake up in the morning like, how did this happen? I'm the same way. You have an archery thing. I would have old computers in that wall and I would have a pinball machine and a bunch of old arcade games.

I have my own taste. But honestly, you have found your path and it's awesome. And you're compassionate and you're, and you weren't in it. If you were in it for the money, you'd be somewhere else. You're in it for what you like to do. I don't even know what I'm doing. I don't know why I'm in it. You're talking for me right now.

No. You should be giving more thought to it in the last couple seconds. You're going to cook eight eggs in the morning. You're going to be a great dad, and then you're going to go do what you love to do and come home, and that's awesome. I just do what the great magnet compels me to do i'm i'm merely metal filings moving through the universe headed towards the great magnet metaphysical great magnet in the last for sure i've made i've decided one of the things i've been thinking about recently especially over the last like maybe 10 years of my life i've decided way less things that I did in the first years of my life. Me too.

It seems to me things just sort of happen. It's like the reverse of the Bob Seger thing. Working on our night moves. Yeah. Trying to make some front page traveling news. Yeah. My kids excel past me already all the time. Just yesterday.

I mean, they trick me and they do things and they're smarter and they're you know nothing i could do could impress them more than what they can do by watching what i can do and doing it better well how about when they do they fucking grab electronics they figured out they give me that you don't know how to do this you got to go into settings and you go to here and you're like what you're eight yeah how the fuck can you do this my daughter programs in minecraft you can program these you gotta. You've got to use a VPN so you don't get blocked. What? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I have to shout out to my IRC people. Oh, yeah. IRC? You still use IRC? Oh, yeah. I'm still on it. Damn, son. Do you have a ham radio in your backyard?

There is a BCR, my record label that I own with Adam. There's a BCR IRC server. What is a BCR? BCR is Black Country Rock. It's the label that I put out. This record's on Elektra through LCS and Dave Cobb, his label. Yep, there we go. I keep looking at the cameras

that are not this place. It's too freaky. We used to have the cameras on while we were on, but it's too weird. Hard to be yourself. I think they were on actually last time because yeah it was too weird too freaked freaked everybody out especially when we'd start getting high you're like well this is not right but we have a thing i don't want to know the bcr bazaar.com b-c-r-b-a-z-a-a-r.com and it's like a place where like fans come and they talk and we

have an irc server so there's one all day and i'm on it all day and i talk to people that is so ridiculous you just gave people that out now people are going to go there good i hope you're I used to do IRC back in my quake days. Oh, yeah. It was a great way to communicate. Teams would communicate. We'd give server addresses. We were all going to meet up at the spot. See, that shit was free as fuck.

The government didn't even know how to fucking trace a phone, literally listening on IRC back then. They had to pick up from the hackers how to do it. That was a very, very different thing. Brilliant time. When all those message boards and all those things came up, especially the ability to play games and talk to people in real time during games. Doom 2.

One of the ways I learned how to type was from learning how to type in game when playing Quake because you gotta type quick Quake 1 or like Quake what was the one

I started with Quake 2 but I played Quake 2 had the multiplayer option Quake 1 I mean I was in Doom so like when Quake 1 came out

and I was Nine Inch Nails was my favorite band ever and when back then and still was the influence for me like he did the soundtrack to crank i was amazing shit amazing it's funny that misty all these years

later she's like i i didn't have a computer but i went and bought that soundtrack because trent resner did it because she was into nine of snails i'm like whoa it's so hot i mean she has the the cd of it in in our house still but uh anyway, man, I loved that. And I used to do that too. And once the internet came on, I had a friend in Nashville, me and my buddy James and Greg. Greg, this guy, ran a BBS and he bought a Doom 2 server back then where you had four phone lines and modems in it and you would dial in. That's 56K days, son. Yeah, totally.

And we would play Doom 2 and I i was listening to like um white zombie astro creep 2000 i was probably 14 13 like i'm just jamming this shit out man i was such a nerd still am man if you saw my house you got to come over sometime but i've got like my office is like 1993 we watched laser discs we have like old computers and like old shit everywhere. So it's like I kind of it's kind of frozen in a weird technological phase that I love. That's hilarious. That's awesome, man. Yeah. You've always been like really into like weird Internet type shit.

Like you're really into cryptocurrencies. Yeah, man. There's a thing called peep peep like's like peep eth it's on twitter or whatever but it's it's a twitter alternative it's like it's it's just just starting but it's what you call peep eth well peep eth what does that mean dot com is the thing it's it's like kind of like twitter but it's built on the back of eth. And so every tweet, or I'm not calling them tweets, I should call it whatever every message that you send on it, kind of like Twitter is embedded in the blockchain of Ethereum. Well, this explain what this site says. It says the

values platform. Hold on. What did you do? So we just if a blockchainpowered social network for our best selves. Yeah. Well, because you can't delete anything because it's permanently embedded. And it's like I think up to 10 of your messages can be logged in one block of the Ethereum chain. So you have to pay like a cent of it. But they give you some to begin with. And then when somebody messages you it's kind of a micro microtransaction to you so you have this kind of balance that's going on wait a minute so

do you have to open up an account or something you get a scent you can do it without any involvement but the way it works is because it's in transactions on a blockchain in ethereum it's it's permanently lodged in this permanent digital ledger in which these transactions are what's making it happen. So if you log in and verify yourself, they give you like 30 cents because that starts you out to be able to just kind of permanently do this in. So you don't have to do any... It sounds complicated, but it's cool.

I'm not saying... I don't know if it'll become like the next rage, but technologically, it's really fucking fun and cool. You might be launching it's cool. I'm not saying, I don't know if it'll become like the next rage, but it's technologically, it's really fucking fun. You might be launching it right now. Go back to that page again and expand on the right-hand side where it shows you all the different categories and the different values. Look at this. Make that a larger.

Look at that. Rethinking social media. Bringing out our best with opinionated features and immutability. Hmm. Yeah. How often do you hear that word? It's permanent. What does that mean?

The ability to not mute, I believe. Immutability. So you can't mute people. Okay. We'll need to Google that in a moment. Contact is openly and forever accessible on the Ethereum blockchain and IPFS, whatever that is. Thoughtful. It says permanence and creative constraints encourage mindful and self-aware peeps.

Okay, that was like a haiku. That's like a fucking poem. Listen to this fucking thing. Listen to this again. Permanence and creative constraints encourage mindful and self-aware peeps that's okay what is that i just stumbled across it but i love it i love the technology i do too but i mean that was i don't understand what they just said uh charity responsible charity badges prevent suffering and inspire others178 mosquito nets purchased so far.

Oh, that's amazing. So they're making, they're purchasing mosquito nets. No, that has to do with the actual platform, I think. Oh, so it's not a real mosquito net? No, I don't think so. Oh, I thought responsible. I've never looked at this website.

No, they are. I just found it through a thing. Okay. No, they are. They're buying mosquito badges to prevent malaria. I'm getting paged because I gotta go to Conan. Oh, it's over. I know, I don buying mosquito badges to prevent malaria. I'm getting paged because I got to go to Conan. Oh, it's over.

I know. I don't want it to be over. I don't want it to be over either. Shooter, we got to do this again. Yeah, I love it. Come on, man. I love it. I have to find this, right? Yeah.

I'm glad you started off that controversial subject of the Alex Jones thing. And I'm really glad that Bill Maher went on a ledge and said that even if you don't agree with someone, you're not supposed to silence their speech. I just don't think people are supposed to be alone yelling into the wilderness. I agree. That's part of the problem. The mob mentality thing is a problem. But even him, I don't think you're supposed to

be able to do that. I don't think you're supposed to be alone yelling off into the abyss. My wife's calling me now because my manager's calling me. Everyone's freaking out. Misty, I love you. Everyone's's calling me now. She's telling you. Everyone's freaking out. Misty, I love you. Everyone's freaking the fuck out. It's just time, ladies and gentlemen.

It's a way of measuring distance. Thank you for having me. Shooter Jennings, you're the shit. I love you so much. I love you too, brother. Shooter, it's out now. ShooterJennings.com. This shit's vinyl. Old school, son.

Respect. All right. Love you.