The Joe Rogan Experience - #1161 - Jerrod Carmichael & Jamar Neighbors

Episode Date: August 23, 2018

Jerrod Carmichael is a stand-up comedian, actor, and writer. Jamar Neighbors is an actor and stand-up comedian.

five four three two one live and we're live mr. Carmichael hello my friend mr. neighbors hello Jamar I know Jamar welcome thank you man I know you were coming but glad to see you man me neither may may made me come he just came by I'm gonna I'm going to Joe Rogan. And he was like, I'm going to come. I was like, that's perfect. Perfect. Perfect.

What the fuck is going on, man? What are you up to? I just got home from New York like two hours ago. And now I'm here. I feel real. I don't know. I feel like a, you know, you ever see like a homeless man smoking a cigarette? Yeah.

And he just feels like real zen and this is his, that's how I feel emotionally right now. Really? Yeah. Really? Like a homeless dude smoking a cigarette. Yeah. What a weird analogy. I feel it's great.

It's really great. Trying to figure that out. That feeling. It's like I have everything that I need right now. In your life. I have everything that I need. Yeah. But you've been killing it for a long time man you know you were killing it when i wasn't at the store i'd heard about you um when i was i was gone i'd heard about you i think aria's one told me about you oh yeah you know and then i found out that spike

lee directed your specials like what like what the fuck is happening over at the comedy store you know he's directing comedy specials that was a fun one because it was like just such a immediate like i was like it has to be in the or nobody filmed in the or and so like you know getting everybody to agree to that yeah and then like because even spike like, but the main room's right here. It's so big. And it's like, but I don't do the main room. I do the whole R. Yeah. The main room's pretty good, too. I used to be prejudiced against the main room.

I'd be like, ah, it's too big. It's too showy. It depends on. The whole R's dirty and grimy. It depends on, like, you know, the sides are full or open and what the, the room can change depending on like so many factors of like seating and whatever, just the sound of it. Well, the room really changes when it gets empty late at night. Like that's a strange room where like Brody's doing those midnight spots.

Those have been some fun spots to watch just when Brody's just, that was like, I used to, Tommy used to make me follow Brody all the time. That's such a fun, interesting thing to do. Because what else is left at that point? The audience's headspace. Yeah, they're in such a different place that it's just fun to piece it back together and figure it out. Jamar, you get a lot of those

freaky spots. Yeah, man. You ever had to follow Brian Holtzman? Many times. I'm like, no! What happens with him? Well, he's just so crazy. He'll say so much crazy shit that the audience is just, like, stunned.

Yeah, it's like Brody times 20. Really? You never see Holtzman? Funny as fuck. Yeah, I don't think I have yet. Oh my God. Dude, Holtzman said some of the darkest shit

I've ever seen anybody say on stage. He went on stage after, do you remember Susan Smith, that lady that drowned her kids? She was a lady that, she drowned her kids. I forget like what the context of it was Holtzman went on stage

like two days later he was like I heard those were bad kids I heard they sat that close to the TV they never put away their blocks they fucking spilt

their milk those kids would not be missed and people were like what in the fuck when you say that maybe I have heard Brian Holtzman.

Dude, right after September 11th, Mitzi wouldn't let him go on stage. She's like, keep him off stage. She wouldn't let him go up. She wouldn't let him go up. Couldn't risk the potential riot. Well, he's a really funny guy and a really good comic, but he's never been a professional. Like, his whole life. He's been doing comedy forever when I came to the store in 94 Holtzman was already

there and he's never been a professional he's always had a job he's always been he was a dog catcher he was a meter maid like a bunch of different shit yeah he's never never really branched out yeah Eleanor was telling me how you fought a Martin Lawrence's a bodyguard well Well, you could call it that You could say I would say Martin Lawrence's bodyguard beat the fuck out of Brian Holtzman Martin Lawrence was heckling And well Holtzman's on stage. He's saying crazy shit. There's like ten people in the room and and Martin was heckling Apparently and Brian got off stage to point out that it was martin lawrence he's like look this

fucking rich famous motherfuckers heckling me boom oh wow he gets knocked out by oh it was that immediate this wasn't even a parking lot thing this was i heard it was a showcase is that what you heard as i heard the stories get twisted right yeah stories stories get weird after a while yeah but yeah that was those were the dark days the comedy store that was like i want to say that was like i don't even know if that was the 2000s what is it now? I haven't really been. I've kind of been. But is it now still that place where you go experiment, try out? I do. Jamar is actually, though, I go to see Jamar.

When I go, it's usually at whatever, whatever 1 a.m. shit. Right. You know what I mean? That's like great. I just hit them up and be like, hey, man, I'm going up. I'm going to do some crazy shit. You coming through? Oh, yeah.

I love it. It's one o'clock sets. It's a different world. It's a different, it's experimental. It's strange. It's kind of sad. There's a little bit of sadness in there. Yeah.

It's perfect. Yeah. Oh, a little bit of sadness in there. It's perfect. Yeah. Oh, the sadness. Oh, the sadness. The sadness is those late nights. Because you're looking at your watch like, why am I not at home? Why am I not asleep? I remember that feeling my first time going to the comedy store.

Just being like, why am I sad? Just like this thing that just weighs you. Like, I remember feeling kind of like... Worthless? No,

just like kind of like depressed. It just, it really feels like a ghost is choking you up. Like, it's not like, it's like a weird...

Who's ghost? Oh man, pick one. Yeah, there's a lot of ghosts. From like 89. There's a lot of ghosts in There's an open mic from, like, 89. There's a lot of ghosts in that room. And they come, when everyone's gone, that's when they show up.

You think for real? No. No, I don't think for real, like, you'll see them, but you definitely feel, like, weirdness. Yeah, no, there's a weird... Especially when you bomb and you get that cold... Fuck you, Pryor! Well, you know, he bombed there too. You know, there's some classic famous stories about Pryor bombing as he was filming live in the Sunset Strip.

Like some of the sets. Mythologic had the footage. Oh, really? Yeah, the Showtime doc had like the footage of that show. Oh, the show where he was prepping, where he was getting ready? Yeah. Well, no, no. The show where it just didn't go like... Oh, so they filmed a few of them?

Yeah, well, they filmed that strip show where he had to come back the next night and kind of redo it. He just had, like... He was just... He, you know, operated from such a place of just, like... It was so... It had to be honest to him, I think. And it just hadn't gone up in a while and was on stage and was just like in the room and just sat in it.

Just he just said the footage is crazy. Send me that. Wow. Yeah, it's really who's got the footage. Well, it's in the doc. You can see it in a document like a little bit, but I think it's extended footage. I haven't seen the extended footage, if that exists. There's some great old cassettes that I bought from like a gas station. They were Red Fox's Comedy Club. Red Fox had a comedy club, and Pryor would go up and just fuck around, man. Just fuck around. And there was many of them i mean there was like seven or eight recordings mavericks flats i think it was

right that was the name of the company i think so off of like crenshaw or something over there like and like oh where the club was yeah i don't know i got them when i was living in boston i was living in boston and i found them like at a gas station they were for sale oh yeah and it was crazy because it was like it was small crowd you could tell it was a small crowd and prior was just fucking around man he was just he was ad-libbing you could tell that like it wasn't structured and some of it was really funny and some of it like kind of fell flat yeah and you can hear like the clink of glasses and shit in the background and it was just so real rich you know richard

prior back then he was doing something that it's like he had figured out a thing that he could do that other people hadn't figured out and that thing was like just be totally honest and also just explore ideas on stage in front of people like not even have it mapped out yet just just fuck around and find what's funny and he'd be smoking cigarettes and just talking and he figured out a way to turn and then you would see it boiled in to like richard pryor live or live on the Sunset Strip or any of his specials you'd see it boiled down into that yeah yeah doing it for tell it you know he performed for television really well um and and that's like kind of a an element that uh I think people kind of forget that like how well of a it connected with you watching it at home like you know even me 20 30 years later after it's filmed and just watching it with my dad it it's he plays really well here you know what i

mean like to you it's like you can feel how personal how honest it is and like so when it was like boiled down it was just he was also captured really well. Did you ever see him live? No. Prior? How old do you think I am? No, he was alive doing stand-up 10 years ago. Yeah. Maybe a little bit more. Maybe 15 years ago.

When did he die? Maybe it was more than 15 years ago. Now that I'm thinking about it. Did you ever see him live? Yeah, I had to follow him like five weeks in a row, man. Really? Like a run in 2005? 2005 he died?

Okay, so it was more than I thought. Like a run? He did a run before he died. It was probably right before then. Actually, I want to say it was like the late 90s early 2000s somewhere around then he was real sick and they would have to carry him to the stage and it would take like five minutes for him to get to the stage so they'd introduce him and the comic would get out of the way and then um uh chewy and marilyn martinez's husband would help him walk to the stage they They would hold on to him, take him to the stage.

It would take forever. It was a slow process. And they'd get him, and they'd sit him down, and they'd crank up the mic like this. Because his voice was so soft. Feeble, yeah. Yeah, and he would do stand-up. Do like 15, 20 minutes, and then I would go on after him almost every time. It would be me.

And just eat shit. I would just eat shit. Because, first of all, nobody knew who I was. And second of all, they just saw Richard Pryor, and they're sad. Because he's fading away right in front of everybody. Yeah, it's an interesting feeling. Never before has a British-type intermission been needed more. A British-type intermission.

You know, where it's just like, all right, Richard Pryor's gone, and 15 minutes, people go smoke cigarettes, come back. What year did you start doing stand-up? 2008. Yeah, so you missed it. Yeah. Did you go to the clubs at all before then to look around? No. Well, two nights missed it. Yeah. Did you go to the clubs at all before then to look around? No.

Well, two nights before my first time. Two nights before your first time? Yeah, two nights before my first time I went to the comedy store. Wow. Yeah. Did you have – My first day in L.A. My first day in L.A.

I saw the whole show 9 to 2 a.m. Wow. You sat through the whole show. The whole show.m wow you sat through the whole show whole show did the open mic that sunday whoa that's an experience man the the people that do that man that's like running an ultra marathon like sitting through 9 a.m to 2 it's interesting i can watch i can watch it, you know, I can consume like a high volume of it in a lot of cases. Like, you know, I've always been interested in like whatever people are talking about, you know, and it was just an interesting sampler of like, all right. What's fascinating about the store is the 15-minute blocks that you're seeing,

these completely different viewpoints. 15-minute chunks. You know, it's just like if you sit there for long enough, you sit there for a couple of hours and you watch that many different people, you watch eight different people go up, it's very weird. Yeah, the strength of it, I think, for like what stand-up is, especially like right now, what it helps is it allows you to think of yourself in context. That's more important now than ever,

especially with stand-up. If you're on and you're competing against the 3,000 other specials that came out this week, it's in context of mass consumption. So if you're going up, you know, in the middle of a marathon show,

you're going up in the OR in the middle of a show, and they saw eight comics before you, they'll see nine after you or whatever. Right. You have to, like, kind of sketch a place in their minds in context of everything else that they saw that night it's really important so so are you going like are you going like okay so what happened they say well no you can't do that because then you can only be yourself it forces you it's not saying like you know it's not saying change who you are i think it makes a

more dynamic version of who you are. Like, because you have to be memorable in the in context of all of these people and these different styles. Also, you know, I think what you do because you're whatever you make and you release into the world, you are also releasing in the context of other art that people are consuming. Right. So, like, even if you release your stand-up album you know a lot of times people buy stand-up albums buy stand-up albums you know and like so they listen to you in context of the other stand-up albums that you have like it's a strong comparison culture stand-up has right like hip-hop where it's always in relation it's not this is my favorite rapper is this rapper is better than that rapper.

Right. Right. You know, and comedians and consumers of it, you know, it's a lot of association. So it's like, you know,

it should force you to be you specifically you that's needed more than ever before. Right. You know, like, like you need to be yourself completely. Or if you're a character, that character needs to be hammered the fuck down. Yeah.

And who you are changes depending upon your environment. That's one of the things about the store. Like since I've come back to the store, it's tightened me up. It's made me better coming back to the store. Because it's like being in that environment, being in that pressure cooker where we're around all these other creative people and everybody's constantly getting after it. Yeah.

No, it's great. It's a really good kind of artist colony. At its best, it can operate like that where you can just kind of run around. On its best, I remember nights when we would run in between rooms even before getting spots just to go see each you know each room different comedians you just kind of absorb it and watch it and get excited about yeah you could do three different sets in that place and have three different universes like you're in the belly room then you're in the main room then you're in the or those three different worlds yeah they really are yeah three completely different energies

it changes people too like that's one of the reasons why kinnison became who he was because than you in the OR. Those are three different worlds. Yeah. They really are. Yeah, three completely different energies. It changes people, too. Like, that's one of the reasons why Kennison became who he was, because he was doing those late-night spots. He was doing those same spots that, like, Holtzman gets, those late spots, and he just had to capture people's attention. So he'd just go out there screaming. I mean, that really is – I mean, he – you know, speaking of existing in context,

he is the – that is a style that's just completely created from frustration. Yeah. Other comedians create Sam Kinnison. Other comedians and ex-wives, you know. And ex-wives. I mean, he had, like, I mean, everybody had ex-wife jokes, you know. There was a lot of that, take my wife that take my wife please, that kind of shit. There was a lot of wife jokes and ex-wife jokes, but Kennison, what he did was just screaming.

It was just raw. And you looked at him. He's this little fat balding guy, and you're like, oh, yeah, he probably had a real rough time of it. Yeah. Well, you just believe his hatred. You believe it completely. Remember that video he was watching? Sam Kenison.

It was like really late night. And maybe it was like 1 o'clock in the morning. And he was like, every comic just gets worse. Every joke just gets worse. Yeah, I remember that. Well, he also came from a – he was a preacher. So he had this ability to just rant and rave and project. And he knew the rhythm. And he knew the fucking – he had this ability to just rant and rave and project, and he knew the rhythm, and he knew the fucking...

He had this thing that he would do that was very much like a revival tent, like one of those tent preachers. I remember watching him on Married with Children with my dad. That's where I first saw him. He was brilliant on there. Wasn't he on a show where he played someone's conscience? Herman's head. Oh, yeah. Him on the shoulder.

Damn, Jamie. How'd you pull that reference out? I used to watch that show. Damn. Herman's head. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny how you discover people. Like, you see them on Miracle Children and you're like, he shot a wall? What? He shot... They fucking fixed

the sign at the comedy store. I was so depressed when I came back. I'm like, you guys fixed the Kinison hole? Why would you fix the bullet hole? He shot. Shot a hole through the fucking sign in the parking lot. You know that sign that's near the back walkway? The one that, you know, in the corner?

Yeah. There's a bullet hole in the back of that thing. They fixed it. Oh, it's not there anymore? They fixed it. Oh, why did not there anymore? They fixed it. Oh, why did he do it? Because he's crazy. Oh.

He had a gun. I think it was him and Dice were in some sort of a fight. He pulled out a gun and blam! He shot the sign. He tried to shoot Dice. I'm like, no. I think he just wanted Dice to know that he would shoot him. Oh.

He's probably coked out of his mind. He's an ex-preacher, by the way. That sounds like the story. It wasn't Herman said?acher, by the way. That sounds like the story. It wasn't Herman said? No, it was not. That was on at the same time. The show was called Charlie Hoover. Really?

Yeah. Wow. I remember him standing on a show. I remember the image of that. Yeah, he was like the devil conscience type character, right? Is that what it was? Tim Matheson was the guy. Oh, wow.

Look at that. And Tim Matheson is the guy from Animal, wow. Look at that. And Tim Matheson is the guy from Animal House, right? Yeah, yeah. I think why I confused it, Herman's head had four people in his head and there's four different actors. Okay.

Man, they don't even do shit like this no more. Yeah. For good reason. There's a reason we're scrambling for the name. Look what they have for him with Alex Jones. Look, back to those images he just had. Go back to the images.

Scroll down. Scroll down. Look. Alex Jones is in the middle of that. That's not even Kennison. Wow. That's Alex. Wow.

That's just someone's comparison. Kenison has a, that was a great headshot, him screaming. Yeah. No, he was, he's the guy that got me into comedy, really, in a lot of ways. Cocaine, Sam Kenison, Family Entertainment Hour. Yeah, he got me into comedy because I thought comedians were I thought it was like people who go on Tonight Show and they had their sleeves rolled up you ever notice here's a crazy thing

folks yeah like that I enjoyed watching that but it never seemed like me I couldn't I couldn't see myself doing oh it's people gotta stop doing that they gotta stop doing it like why are you doing your Tonight Show set and you're

colbert's not even they block it's so fucking disrespectful they block shoot these things these like like it's they'll do like 10 comedians at a time and he's not even there and they like throw to it as if you know like he's it's the rudest thing I've ever heard. And the fact that comedians still go on the show and would still do it is insane to me. Wow, I didn't know that. That's insane to me. So how many did they do in a row? I heard like 10. I could get the number wrong, but he's not there. It's not, you know, you're just doing like this show in front of this audience in the studio.

And he pretends to throw to you? Yeah, and he throws to you like you're there. And it's like this thing. He doesn't care? No, well, again, man, but it's on us as much as it's like, of course they're going to do that. They're going to do that to any genre of entertainment that would allow such a thing to happen. They will do it to you. genre of entertainment that would allow such a thing to happen they will do it to you right you know they're not gonna do rihanna's doing a these these things are so contrived like it's the same

set you come out in front of the same curtain people put on the same outfit that they didn't wear yesterday and would never wear again tomorrow and they come out and they pretend to be a comedian from 1993 and it's like what who the fuck are you who the fuck are you what are you fucking doing for a set to get passed around to a couple of agents that want to come see you that you who cares i was talking to theo vaughn about this we were talking we were talking about like whether it's worth it being on one of those shows. No, it's never worth it capturing yourself not as yourself. It's a waste of your time.

It used to be worth something. This is why it's confusing because there was no venues before. So when Johnny Carson would have you on The Tonight Show Yeah. No, and that was listen, it served its purpose. It was very important at the time.

It was an outlet where there weren't a lot of outlets. And now, what the fuck are we doing? Especially unless it's like, you know, with that said, you know, Kimmel built, he built like a club and has like the audience travel from the studio to the club and the comedians would do it there and it's like oh that's like an effort you know what i mean like an effort to create like he has a club yeah it was like a space a separate studio that like you know i believe they're still doing i don't know if i've seen like a camel set wow stand-up set recently but uh but but there was like an effort you know i always really appreciated that about like Kimmel.

Like, you know, at least trying. Like, I don't know. There are too many options for comedians to go through this same filter of capturing themselves in a way that's not authentic to them. So you're saying that if I go on Colbert, I should do it with my shirt off. If you want to have your shirt off, if has a purpose you know what i mean like like you should you should do it like you would do a regular set in the belly room yeah yeah that's me well i mean because it's like you know if stand-up is art right if it's if it's art if it is an art form then it's supposed to be like the medium is

supposed to come to the artist unique to you not the other way around right you know because even even on those same shows you know if you see a live music performance like the staging's different it's specific to the audience you know in in the context of a show and a live production and you have this space they fill it in the way that makes sense to the artist. Yeah. And then it's like stand-up. It's just like you could just go through a slideshow of just the exact same thing. Well, I guess when a musical artist gets on Colbert, one of those shows, they're already kind of famous, right?

They already have an album out. And when a stand-up gets on those shows, they trying to get seen like maybe you don't have a special yet maybe you just you showcased and they picked a few people you've done any of it i don't do any of those a specific reason yeah i never liked it i remember one time, like, I was going to do Letterman while Letterman was on Letterman. And I remember, like, sending a set in or whatever. And they responded like, okay, you know, we could do it. But could he do his jokes in a more traditional set up punchline format? And I remember just, like, emailing back, back like i'll just do it when i'm famous

when i'm just not gonna listen to this bullshit no people they change that's the other thing they change us again compare yourself to a musician imagine you're a musician going on and they're like we like this song but could the bridge come first right and then you do the you would be like go fuck yourself right you know what i mean like and then comedians allow like you can't say pop tart if you say pop tart we're gonna get sued exactly comedians allow a lot of shit say pastry can you say pastry like but that doesn't make any sense well we're just trying to hit the road you're right toaster strudel is a sponsor we're just trying to hit the road, you're right. Toast the strudel is the sponsor. We're just trying to hit the road, you're right. No, man, do you, man.

No, I get it. Enjoy yourself. I wouldn't do it even back in the day. It didn't make any sense to me. They would go, you should put together a five-minute set for the Tonight Show. And I'd be like, I don't want to do it. And they're like, you should do it. Like, it's good exposure.

This is like the fucking 90s, right, when it actually probably meant something. I was like, I don't see it happening. I'm not doing it. It's not stand-up. You're taking a little piece of it. Stand-up, a short set is 15 minutes. And in 15 minutes, I might cover two concepts, you know, because I need time. I go over things.

Like, I get thorough. If I'm talking about a subject, I get involved in that subject. I want to bring people on a journey. And I also want to be able to set them up. I want to be able to explain how I think about things so that by the time I get to something controversial, they already have a sense of how I approach things. You can't do that in five minutes. In five minutes, you just got to get into it.

And it's a very condensed, homogenized version of who you really are. Man, just do a late night spot with a five-minute setup, then leave. Just a setup. Yeah, just a setup and shake. Yeah. I remember I saw Louis do one. Louis C.K. did one, one of those Letterman or Tonight Show or something like that. And I was like, God, he shouldn't even do this.

Because it's such not a good representation of what he's capable of. Well, some people are like, Jerry Seinfeld should do that. He should absolutely do that. Yeah, he could do it. And he does. I love Jerry's Tonight Show sets. Yeah. that he should absolutely do that yeah he could do it when he does and he he does i love jerry's uh like tonight show sets yeah and his like what like his makes sense yeah it makes sense it makes sense it's like perfect for and it's like it translates very very well but when i watch those shows today

i'm like why are they still a thing when i see a late night show and no disrespect to anybody who hosts a late night show but to me it's like it's like they took a boat and tried to turn into a plane oh they're like hey it's 2018 but let's pretend it's not yeah you know we'll be right back with a commercial hey we're gonna have commercials we're gonna shove commercials into things but today everybody watches hbo and netflix like what am I doing here sitting through a fucking commercial? I get, I'm, it may be weird. Like, because I actually, I enjoy advertising. You do?

Yeah, yeah. Like, a lot. I'll stare at, like, billboards. I watch commercials. I watch, like, all. Because I do think it speaks to what, like, America thinks we are as a culture. You know what I mean? It speaks to what they think is appealing. Right, what they think is going to work.

And what they think is going to work. And so, in a sense, it's like, in a way, in the same sense, like, you can gauge a lot from a person by the types of questions they ask you. You can gauge a lot from even a climate by the type of commercials, what they feel. Because they're trying to appeal to everybody. So this is what they're saying. This is what we think everybody is thinking right now. Or how everyone feels or what they want. But I love, i'll watch it and even like the tonight show and those um

these things i mean look you know anything in function at its best is fun it's just you know the where it hits a wall and it's what we're saying about comedy and what we're saying about a lot of things is like when a thing tries to be something that it's not right you know when it feels like they're like these late night shows when they're just doing fun things that they think are fun and interesting, I love, you know, Kimmel always every year does like the parents that tell the kids that know Halloween, that they ate all the Halloween candy and the kids' reactions and stuff.

Like, I eat that stuff up. I love that. You know what I mean? Those sketches are fun. But, like, when it when it you know when shows pretend to be you know 1989 it's just like when comedians pretend to be of a different era pretend it just feels false and I think that's what you check out yeah it's just unnecessary at this point you know because the internet you just have

too many other venues. Yeah, it's a lot of options. Yeah. A lot of options, yeah. And watching things on the internet is so much more satisfying. It's like watching a comic on a podcast, you're going to get a chance

to see who the fuck they really are. Yeah. Instead of some weird set in front of some audience that got shipped in from Burbank and they got applause signs and everything. It's very surreal when you go to a live taping and you watch that. It's really surreal.

Oh, it's very like... And I'll sit... I have like... You know, it's always weird. I have like weird late night things. Because I... I'm bad at being like the you know celebrity type of thing

like i'm just in it and just like looking at it and when the crowd is giving an unnatural reaction to things it's just like what are you right you're too introspective you're not going to just dive into the fake i'm like hey no, bro, what are we doing? For real. What is this? What is this? Like, what are you... Is this rewarding for you? Applause side, everybody. Applause. Applause. What are we doing? Let's clap our way to the uncomfortable moment.

This is weird. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Thank you. We'll be right back. That we'll be right back shit. It's's like what is that yeah where are you going you promise they put can you just shove those commercials in later let's just keep rolling what the fuck are we doing we'll be right back it's strange man the advertising model of shoving an ad in every 15 minutes to shoving a series of ads in yeah how the fuck did they ever do that like how well i mean look you know it's weird unfortunate reality or fortunate reality i guess

depends on you know what company you work for is uh i mean that's it's an advertiser's medium right and everything they'll find a way to put the commercials. Even with the internet, YouTube becomes traditional television. The internet commercials are longer than the TV commercials. They'd be two minutes. You can skip them. Do you get two-minute ones now? Don't they got minute, two-minute? I see minute ones.

I get excited when I see a 15-second one. It's like, oh, man. So we're going to sit through Ron Howard's master class again, huh? But do you even sometimes you'd be like, damn, this is too long. Even if it's 15 seconds. Yeah, you'll mute it.

Yeah, sometimes I'm looking up commercials and I hate having to watch a commercial to watch a commercial. Or like some type of, you know what I mean? Like some type of, or like a trailer to something. I'm like,

oh, now I have to sit through this trailer to watch the trailer. It is true that a commercial does kind of show you what what they think the culture is about right now yeah yeah what they think people are interested in right now yeah like what what a a real manipulative mainstream version of what the average american is they think we depressed Well, a lot of people are. You're not depressed. No, I'm good. Handsome bastard.

Beautiful body going on stage shirtless. But some people are. A lot of people are. What percentage do you think? I mean, it's probably more than 20% of Americans are depressed. Yeah. Let's just take a guess. Or maybe some version.

Let's see what a recent poll shows. It's not going to give us a real good idea, but I'll say 20%. 20% of Americans suffer from depression. What do you think? A form of depression. Are we saying specifically depression? Are we saying like mental...

Not illness. Yeah, because... Depression. How do you define? Yeah. Yeah. because. Depression. How do you define? Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm just saying it's the reason it's hard to quantify is because it's like it also is a thing that comes in phases or post event. Like specific like depression.

You know what I mean? That's why I'm just wondering how we're. And I can't believe it's not as easy as man, get over that shit. Like I can't believe it's not as easy as man get over that shit like I can't believe it's not but it's not yeah I mean it's

that's how I get over shit well like fuck it no but you know some people some people yeah exactly like it's hard to like

it's like wow you got a cancer get over it like man come on man I'm walking out oh you mean but you mean

you got a tumor you mean like specifically like event-based thing like if something has happened that sparks like sadness i don't think so i forget that there's more than one reason to be depressed oh 6.7 percent 16.2 million adults in the United States, equalling 6.7% of all adults in the country, have experienced a major depressive episode in the last year. 10.3 million U.S. adults experienced an episode that resulted in severe impairment in the last year. Wow.

50% of all people diagnosed with depression are also diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. It's estimated that 15% of the adult population will experience depression at some point in their lifetime yeah like post but what does that mean though like if your dog dies what does that mean you lose a job girlfriend breaks up with you kind of yeah yeah like post event I went through I remember going through like a real kind of dark period after losing a friend like it happened twice of just like and I'm very much so I

get the Jamar mentality of just like I don't know niggas just get over that shit but is that sadness or is that depression that's a good question yeah I don't know clinically like where the line is as humans like isn't it just highs

and lows highs and lows deal with this don't deal with you know deal with that deal with the happiness deal with humans like isn't it just highs and lows highs and lows deal with this don't deal with you know deal with that deal with the happiness deal with it like it's not it's not like that it's highs and lows but it's just your expectation of what the next phase is like your expectation like it's all there's also legitimate issues that people have like with mental problems their brain doesn't produce enough hormones yeah there's there's people legit serotonin and dopamine issues. Oh I'm so Don't you have friends? Oh, you don't have friends. Oh, your friend fucked your wife.

Oh, they committed suicide too? Oh, and your friend was also your boss. Oh, so now you're fired and you don't got a wife. Okay. And your dog's gone. Where's your dog? Oh, your friend took your dog. This will be my favorite episode of Frasier.

Yeah. Some people have it rough, man. Some people have a rough man some people's you know some like some people have leukemia some people have genetic disorders some people's brains don't work right and for whatever reason whether it's nature or nurture there's something going on that's real bad and they're just they're in a hole ari described it really well. He did a podcast recently with me, and he talked about he went through a serious depression episode where he was suicidal. And his brain was just, the way he described it, it was like it was broken, and I had to get it fixed. And he started off on medication, then weaned himself off of medication. But when he was on the medication, it's also when his career took off. And when his career took off, I mean, it alleviated a lot of the – what a lot of his issues were was also just like an unfulfilled life, frustration, expectation, unrealized.

And then on top of that, compounded, there was like legit mental issues that were bothering him. I guess I was just unclear on like what depression actually is. I'm like – because now that you actually is. Like I'm like, cause now as you say that stuff, I'm like, Hmm, maybe I have felt that. Everybody feels highs and lows.

You're right about that. You're for sure right about that. But you also exercise a lot. And I think that probably helps. Yeah. I'm just souping myself up in my head and shit. Well, no exercising just releases,

releases a lot of the bullshit that people carry around. A lot of what makes people feel terrible is that their body is fighting against their brain. Their body holds in so much tension, and they're so fucked up, and they never get an endorphin release. And their body is like an overflowing battery, like oozing out of the sides. You know, and I always like people don't meditate. Like that don't work for people. Like that shit works.

That shit kills it for me. How often do you meditate? Shit. Like every day. Like how much time? 20 minutes. Oh, that's good,

man. Look, that is a beautiful thing. If you could force that into your schedule and, and make sure that that's a part of your life. I got it from Seinfeld and Oprah now. TM? Do you do TM?

Yeah. I mean, doesn't it activate something that all humans have? Which is like, we're supposed to kind of do that, though. Well, it allows you reflection. And also, what I think it does, one of the real good things that meditation does is it stops momentum. reflection and also what i think it does one of the real good things that meditation does is it stops momentum because there's like a momentum of shitty thoughts and bad ideas and bad decisions and just anxiety and all these issues that could fucking just accumulate inside your consciousness and they never when unaddressed they continue to like push at you from the back and it's like

you're just constantly in the state of momentum of all the bullshit that's going on. But if you have a time for real reflection and just pause, even if you're just concentrating only on your breath, it seems to stop that momentum and give you a chance at like a renewed perspective. Yeah. That's great. Remember that time I had a spiritual awakening in your house? Yeah.

Spiritual awakening in his house. I remember that a lot. What happened? What was it about? It just hit him one day. in your house? Yeah. Spiritual awakening in his house. I remember that. What happened? What was it about? Just hit him one day. I was watching like a Seinfeld interview or something.

He was like, yeah, I do it twice a day and something. I was like, man, let me see. So I went down,

I used to live with him, so I went downstairs in my room and I meditated and I came back upstairs and I was like, he was sitting on the couch and I was like,

I was like, Gerard, nigga, I just had an awakening. He was like, what happened? And I was like, I don't know, man. But the first, the first message I got was, uh, you can't save the world, but you can help. He was like, okay. All right, I'm going to go back down to my room. So when you do it, what's your process? How exactly do you practice TM?

I sit there, cross my legs, in through the nose, out the mouth, in through the nose, out the mouth until you get into the state. the mouth and through the nose out the mouth until you get into the state. Jamar also though has the ability to completely clear his mind. Like he's one of those people that it takes me anywhere from

20 minutes to like an hour to fall asleep. You know like even if tired it's still like alright there's a moment. Jamar could immediately just like alright being awake is over and then just fall asleep like instantaneously he can clear his head

really quickly and like focus on one thing you got a high level of I don't give a fuck yeah it's a very high level of I think I'm numb yeah no you are so you go in through the nose out through the mouth and what are you thinking when you're doing that?

Nothing. Nothing. Are you thinking about the breathing? Well, I think about nothing, and then if I have a task or something, like if I be like – you could do affirmations. You know, like, hey, man, i want to be great on stage tonight or i want to or i want to i want to get this writing done or i want to you know what i'm saying or you can hype yourself up and shit like that like it it um your intention it's it's just that whatever intention that you want to do you know what i'm saying you set that hey i want to you know whatever the fuck and then

it'll be easier to complete that task for me i have add i'm bad at um focusing on things but that really helps me you have add but you don't have a problem meditating yeah because because it's the lazy it's i'm really good at being lazy and it's kind of lazy to like like meditating is kind of like it's like you gotta sit there it's a chill thing to like like meditating is kind of like I was like I do is sit there you like chill not moving yeah yeah and just sit there and fucking zone out and shit like if you like mushrooms and all that shit you know I said this shit is perfect for you like it's getting high off your own DMT that's what it is it's just your own DMT the spirit molecule all that shit I

don't know if it's that you Because you're not tripping, right? It is. It's kind of... You ever do it right? No. I've gone through phases where I've tried meditation. I shower for an hour, 15 minutes. So that's kind of where that is.

You kind of zen already, though. Just kind of walk around and think. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of... You know, I don't know. I've tried it but it's not oh but you work out though and it's you know those endorphins that you you can just do that you could also do that by just sitting there and just breathe and and you know focusing on the breath

and then all of a sudden your mind starts going into an altered state and then you'll start yeah i meditate i just don't meditate every day but uh i definitely feel it i think exercise does that especially cardio and especially yoga something about yoga classes that just forces you into this state of mind where you just you're only concentrating on the movements that you're supposed to do so if you could clear your head and stay focused on the movements and not delve into you know your bank account or your fucking credit card debt or what's wrong with your car or what other bullshit you have bouncing around your head you could just take the time to concentrate only on the yoga

it has this like uh cleansing effect yeah it really make you be like hey man fuck that shit yeah fuck that shit most things most things are not worth freaking out about. Most. The vast majority. A good question I remember reading is just ask yourself, what problems do I have right now? But genuinely, like, problems. And the answer may not always be zero, but it's usually surprisingly small. When you think about the immediate the base level of Maslow's hierarchy.

If that's taken care of, usually it's like there are things that are ongoing things to figure out, but things that you could define as a problem and then just kind of staying in that space. Like a real

issue. What's a real issue. Like what's a real issue? Well, where there's like immediacy, like, you know, and when there are real problems, you know, a lot of times you handle it well. Like instinctually the things like, a lot of times people get calm in like those intense situations. Like, you know, like they can handle like real problems. A lot of times people get calm in those intense situations.

They can handle real problems. It's the anticipation of problems and the anticipation of solutions that that's what drives you crazy. That's a very good point. Yeah, that's a very good point. Yeah, a lot of times real problems, they also sort of enlighten you to the fact that most of the time your problems are bullshit. You break your leg, you go, oh, this is real. Yeah, that's an immediate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And so just staying in the space of like, you know, all right, you're in a control center. You know what else helps me is like because yoga is hard to do, doing things that are difficult to do make things easier, make other things easier. Working out, hard workouts make other things easier. Running hills, kickboxing, anything that's brutal. It gives context.

It gives context to everything. Growing up in the hood makes Hollywood interactions easy. Yes, there you go. You know what I mean? It gives context to everything else you're doing. Yeah. What is the struggle? Yeah.

It's like, well, it's like, you know, by the time you get on stage, you're like, well, my body thought it was going to die this morning. Yeah. And it didn't. Yeah. So this is fine. Yeah. And now this tag doesn't work.

Do you guys know very many people who do jiu-jitsu? No, and by very many, I mean you. Yeah, the most chill people ever because they're getting choked all the time. They're fighting for their life every day. They're so mellow. They're used to trained killers trying to break their arms. If the experience is not that, then we're cool. Then it's like, whatever, man.

I'm not worried about it that much. Yeah, the world's pretty soft right now. It's easy to get upset about nonsense if nonsense is the only thing that you have that's a difficulty in your life. Well, it's that and it's the reward for complaints. It's like a culture that's where we are rewarded for publicly, you know. Yeah. For having a public complaint. What you mean?

Well, rewarded in the sense of like, know you get you can get attention for it you can get attention for it but I'm just saying by publicly airing you know a grievance about a project and I'm speaking especially specifically about how we respond to content is just like by publicly saying this

you can speak to your respective group and you have an immediate reward for it. So it's like, you know, it's like I don't even know if we're more sensitive. We're just more outspoken about, you know, things. Well, people are definitely more outraged.

They're looking to get outraged. That's a really common thing now that just didn't exist a few decades ago. But I don't even think it's outrage. You know what I mean? I don't even think it's outrage. You know what I mean? I really don't think it's outrage as much as it – because outrage, we've seen what outrage looks like. At the peak of the Black Lives Matter movement were people at a core as black people outraged in the streets. But that's what I'm saying. But that's what outrage is.

And I don't want to confuse that with like, you know. Recreational outrage. Recreational outrage, right? And it's really important to draw that distinction, right? And so it's like, it's, again, people are vocal about things. Some issues real. A lot of things we start getting upset about. They're like certain, we get upset about certain cultural appropriation things of the week because it's a sushi restaurant on a

college campus right you know what i mean like like we we get caught up in those things but and not focus on you know like i don't know it's like real outrage is – the thing that corporations are afraid of isn't outrage. It's trending. You don't want to trend negatively for like whatever period of time. When people are upset with you and that you've done something genuinely wrong, they'll show it beyond – it will extend beyond that. If it makes sense, yeah. Yeah, I think that a lot of what outrage is is like a comedian trying out jokes. You know how you try out jokes and 30% of them are just straight bullshit?

They just don't fucking work, man. You try them, they stumble out, you gave it a shot, or you'll ad-lib something in the moment on stage, and even after you say it, you're like, what the fuck did I just say? Yeah. I think there's some of that that people are trying to... Like, I was reading this article the other day about some woman who was saying

that yoga is supporting white supremacy because yoga... It was the dumbest shit ever. Some Indian lady. She was saying the cultural appropriation of yoga by white people is supporting white supremacy. And, you know, it's really funny.

What are we doing? Exactly. really funny what are we doing exactly what the fuck are we doing but that's what she did is she tried a bad joke you know yeah she's a she works on a she's a professor on some bullshit college where they're just just drowning in liberal arts and she just figured out a way to say something outrageous that she thought made sense in her own weird bubble. But this got published in a newspaper. And then the whole world went just collectively, what the fuck are you talking about? But that's what it's like. It's like you or I trying a bit late night at the store.

You just riff something. And it just goes into a corner and just gets stuck. Like one of them Roomba vacuum cleaner things just bouncing off the wall. You're like, this is not working. Yeah. I got to bail out of this. Yeah. No, but it's funny because it is.

Like, yeah, people's... It's creative outrage. It's a creative... She's like, she tried to make outrage where it didn't exist. And sometimes it catches, like hoop earrings white girls can't wear hoop earrings anymore white girls are scared to wear hooping earrings because they're getting called out for cultural appropriation by which is hilarious by latina chicks this is particularly latina chicks are saying and it's just all social justice warrior bullshit but what's really funny is so because I'm an asshole, I had to Google it.

Well, who the fuck invented earrings? The Sumerians. The oldest version of hoop earrings is from 2500 BC from Iraq. So Iraqis are the only ones who really can claim cultural appropriation on people wearing hoop earrings. Not Mexicans. So Mexicans, settle down. Leave those white girls alone because you stole it too.

I thought that was black girl shit. It's everybody's shit. It's like who invented pants? You're culturally appropriating. You're wearing pants. Who invented pants? You're on a Korean phone bitching about people doing yoga.

The fuck are you talking about? Man, the internet goes deep. It's crazy. People are losing their mind. They're looking for things to get outraged at, and so they're trying jokes. They're taking swings. They're trying. They're throwing pitches out there.

They're spitballing. Well, I mean, and eventually if it's like if you – you're going to run out of ways to approach it. You know what I mean? Like you run out of places to stab the thing. Well, they try some that don't stick or some stick for like a couple of days. Like you remember bossy? They were trying to say you can't say bossy. No, why?

You can't call girls bossy. It's sexist. Call girls bossy. Don't call them bossy. It's sexy. There was a thing where they were trying to stop the use of the word or the phrase bossy they were saying bossy sexist yeah see but like like where did a win when did a winded cunt become a bad word it depends on who's like what is you're in England, man. They don't give a fuck. Is that a word? I don't think I heard it used until, like...

I mean, nobody... I didn't grow up around it. I didn't hear people saying it. So I don't even think I heard it used until, like... I mean, I was probably 18. That sounds like a Hollywood bad word. Yeah, it seems like a Hollywood bad word, yeah. Yeah.

No, it's a word that... When you used it, you fucking really were angry. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, I don't know where it came from. It's like the new bitch. It's not new. I mean, it was around long.

It's been around since I was in high school. But you called someone a cunt in high school, man, you were a fighter brother. Oh, wow. Shit would get deep. You couldn't say cunt. You could say bitch. You're a fucking bitch. Fuck you.

You're a loser. You know, like, you're a cunt. Oh. Like, they would waltz they'd be like what the fuck did you just say ask yeah i i yeah i didn't hear it a lot at all and i could never imagine myself casually calling somebody a cunt but if you lived in england you could yeah especially if you lived in England, you could. Or especially if you lived in Australia, they'd call someone a good cunt. Hey, he's a good cunt. Oh, so it's a nice word.

Yeah, he's a good dude. He's a good cunt. My friend Israel Adesanya, a stylebender, he wears a shirt that says good cunt. And he just wanders around. He's from New Zealand. They think it's funny.

People get upset about it? He's a savage. You better be careful. Get upset with him. He's a UFC fighter. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah.

He's from another country. It means a different thing in New Zealand. If you say cunt in New Zealand, it's like, I mean, what's the equivalent? What would be the equivalent of cunt the way they say it? Good dude. He's a good fucker. He's a cool motherfucker. He's a good cunt.

Were you asking because it's like a- They're a style bender. He wears that everywhere. no one says shit yeah yeah but they sell those good cunt why would you ship hashtag fuck censorship hashtag make cunt great again well I was gonna say is it is it that say, is it that people's reaction to it just kind of bothers you? Yeah, I'm like, it's a terrible bad word. Like, that word sucks. It's no motherfucker.

You don't like it? It's more fun to say, you know, rhythmically. It's just trash. It's like, God. But I was going off of what we were talking about interesting shit trash i don't know if you went to australia though they would say it so many times it would just slip in yeah this gets normal yeah i guess yeah it is just it's this one syllable like cunt it means dude over there sometimes like and this fucking cunt he goes over there

and they'll start talking about it like this fucking dude they'll literally say it in the same way you would say this fucking guy yeah it's just a different thing i mean look they're all just sounds that convey expression the real problem is when you demonize one you You can't say the C word anymore. Don't say the C word. Well, yeah. I mean, again, it's just like I just want us to have adult arguments. Yeah. Right.

Well, it's hard to have adult arguments if you have forbidden words. Well, yeah. Well, because that's like the shit that your sister got mad at you about growing up. Right. You called me. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. It is kind of like, that's the thing.

I mean, you were saying intention earlier, but I mean, it's always like intention. Like, what do you mean by, I get in like these types of, my mom is Southern Christian woman in any curse word that I say. Any curse word. It is very, she doesn't like it.

And I curse around all I say. Any curse word. It's very, she doesn't like it. And I curse around all the time. I always do just because we get into the argument while simultaneously respecting, you know, her views and beliefs. It's also like, you know, these curse words redid your

fucking kitchen, lady. No, but I just wanted to like... No, I love love her i love watching her like react to it like it's like uh fun yeah yeah yeah because just like oh this through the filter of you like really you know see i grew up non-suppressed my parents were hippies and they didn't give a shit what we said just do I couldn't really say it at school but you know there was no like language restrictions in my house I'd be allowed to say anything that's great it was weird that's great my friends would come over the house did you say fuck in front of your mom like yeah fuck it I used to you were I did you go around people

that like used to just talk shit back to their mom it was so like I never did that no it was fun to watch I had a I had a friend my friend Alex

my friend Alex it's still one of my favorite moments of life it was just like I came to this house after school and his mom's name

is Patricia and she was just like Al take out the garbage it was like go to hell pat that's his response he calls mom pat yeah he called his mom pat and it just i like my mind was blown just so like he told his mom to go to hell it was like amazing and she just argued back like it was like uh yeah i was so single mom or was it dad around uh he knows that but it

wasn't around like it was a single separately yeah but it was always so amazing it was amazing that's a struggle that who's the man when did you start cussing around your mom oh yeah no I probably started a I mean I moved out teenage so I probably I mean she's's heard me say it kind of throughout, but just like not stopping it in conversation. It's been years. I mean, I just always just kind of flow. I'm low-key still afraid to cuss in front of my mom.

Yeah, no, I do. And I cuss a lot. I cuss in front of my mom. I cuss in front of my niece and nephew. How old are they? All of my nieces. I have an 11-year-old old niece a nine-year-old nephew a couple two-year-old twins a three-year-old niece like just and i am myself and speak

exactly how i normally speak around you're an adult longer than you're a kid right you know and so it's just like i why am i going to pretend the world sounds different look i i'm with you but and for like whose kids are they your brothers your sister yeah my brother your brother and sister-in-law everybody cool with that or they get upset uh they i mean they go like oh come on sometimes but it's also they get it they my brother they're very understanding while they they get it they get that it's're very understanding. Well, they get it. They get that it's just like. It's how people talk in the real world.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that's important. Again, like you don't want to, that's the thing, man. Just like. Well, that's how you know you fucked up. If you're at a job where not only can you not swear, but you can't swear off job with the people you work with. Or they'll tell. Yeah, you can't swear off job with the people you work with or they'll tell or they'll get yeah you can get trouble yeah if there's certain jobs where people have where they got off work and they went

out with some co-workers and they told a dirty joke or started talking shit like that'll get back to human resources and they'll be fired bosses are now following their employees online and shit like twitter see that girl that got fired from NASA? Fucking hilarious. She got fired from NASA yesterday. She's like, holy fuck, I got a job at NASA. And some guy tweeted her. He said, language.

And she said, suck my dick and balls. I work at NASA. And he said, yeah, and I am one of the people that oversees something at NASA. And then that was it. What? She was about to be an astronaut? Well, she was about to be an intern working at NASA. And she was like, here it is.

Everyone shut the fuck up. I got accepted for a NASA internship. And look, he writes language. She says, suck my dick and balls. I'm working at NASA. And he says that I'm on the National Space Council that oversees NASA. That's hilarious. Oh,es NASA. That's hilarious. Oh, how dare you.

How dare you, Homer Hickman. First of all, that shit is funny. Suck my dick and balls. And it's a girl. Second of all, we didn't even go to the fucking moon. You don't think we went to the moon. I saw you talking about that. Yeah, no.

Look, I could be convinced. I was convinced that we didn't for a long time. Now I'm convinced I have no fucking idea. Yeah, I don't really. I don't think we went to the moon. What makes you think that? Off of base. It's not rooted in science.

How much have you really paid attention to it? Because I went down the rabbit hole for many, many years. I go off kind of like, it's always like the social kind of where there's smoke, there's fire type clues of just like, you know, us being in a race and no countries coming second. Right. You know, other space programs not catching up to 1969. 1969, 1972. American technology. Right. You know what I mean? catching up to 1969. 1969, 1972. American technology.

You know what I mean? Every time we went was under the Nixon administration. That's a good one. These types of little things that just make you go, you know, like a flat earther. Did you ever watch the press conference? Did you ever watch the press conference when they returned from the moon? No.

Wait, what's the clue? What's the clue in there? Or what's the suspicious thing? They look super depressed. They look super deceptive. They look fidgety. Yeah. And they're talking weird and they're saying shit that they refute later. One of the things they said, Michael Collins, who's actually never, he's supposed to be

in, he never landed on the surface of the moon. Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong did. He stayed up in the orbiter. And they were asking about stars. And he said, I don't recall seeing any stars. And then years later, he wrote in his book about how magnificent stars looked. There's a lot of that shit. But the press conference itself –

I didn't even see that. And this doesn't mean anything. I'm not a cop. But if I was a cop and I was interviewing them, I'd be like, these motherfuckers are guilty. Something is wrong here. Like, they seem like guilty people. And you could, look, you could say, hey, man, they were probably psychologically distressed. They were probably dealing with the pressure of having come back from the moon

and all this fame that they had never experienced their whole life they're they're astronauts they're scientists and now all of a sudden they're standing in front of all these people and everyone's asking them questions and they feel super nervous but it's like nah these niggas was lying let me tell you everybody my favorite thing is when you when uh because i'll say it very casually and people become like you know patriots and rocket scientists that want to tell you

like how we went I'm like you don't know either well all this we shit is bullshit because it wasn't you and it wasn't me so let's stop

also we probably lied about it and we lie better than any other country on earth and I'm proud of that there's a lot of weird shit with the video footage there's a lot of footage where it looks like they're on wires they're like dangling

from wires and they they bounce back up from their feet in this weird way it looks like they're being yanked up from the ground there's a there's a video where it looks like they're on trampolines there's if you google astronauts on trampolines no i'm not even kidding it just looks like they're i actually put it up it's a video that i found google astronauts on trampolines? No, I'm not even kidding. It just looks like they're... I actually put it up. It's a video that I found. Google astronauts on trampolines is a video on YouTube. And you're watching them bounce around. You're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You guys are on the fucking moon and you're hiding behind the lunar module.

You can't see their feet. You can't see how they're doing this. But it looks like either they're bouncing on something or they're being yanked up in the air. Or it's one-sixth gravity and it just has a weird effect on people. But look at this. Watch this. Like, how strange is this? See, look, he just lands.

But doesn't that, I mean, even the way he's moving, it's like he's being dangled. It's very strange. You see him bouncing around. But that also could just be... All the stuff we did, we were playing golf and bouncing around. The moon landing set

was built by the people who made Discovery Zone. But it also could be... He just slides. Look, he fell. Boom. Look, he just fell. He just jumped up and fell.

That's so strange. But it also could be this is just what your body does at one-sixth Earth's gravity. You know? There's a whole bunch of reasons. Yeah, I don't know. You know what? I'm excited to see someone else going back to the moon and then if it matches.

This is from a movie. I forget what the name of the movie was. But you could watch some of the go. They show some special effects they use in movies. But watch some of the weird shit. Go a little bit further ahead of this. Yeah, right there. There's some of the weird stuff

where you see these guys fall down and then it looks like they just get yanked back up by wires. It's very strange. Yeah, I mean... But the press conference is strange. Yeah, it's the social aspect of it because it's like I won't begin to know like how the flag is supposed to look and the waving and the shadows and the thing that like a lot of people argue about. It's just the political. And so it's like I kind of think I know when the government's lying about something.

You know what I mean? Like the history is there watch this watch that guy stand back up watch this watch how he gets up like he's gotten yanked up there's a bunch of those there's a bunch of those that makes it look like they're on wires and being pulled back up to their feet very Very strange. But again, have you ever been in 1-6 Earth gravity? I haven't. No. I don't know what that, maybe it just looks fake because when you're in 1-6 Earth gravity. That's just how movement works. Do you think we never ever been in life like up until this day? My conspiracy belief is specific to thinking that a man has walked around on the surface of the moon.

Specific to that. Crashing, you know, lunar, whatever. That's all 100% legit. Yeah, of course. It's specifically man moving on the surface of the moon. Yeah, it's specifically that. You don't think anybody's ever done this? I don't think so, no.

In life? Yeah, I don't think. I mean don't think anybody's ever done this? I don't think so, no. In life? Yeah, I don't think. I mean, we're the only country that would have. The press conference. Some clips, weird clips from the press conference. Because the press conference would trip you out. And see just like other, you know, countries who have the means to do it. Like their intention about going.

Yeah, play some of this. Play some of this and go big screen. Look how sad these guys look it's so weird watch this it was our pleasure to have participated in one great adventure it's an adventure that took place not just in the month of July, but rather one that took place in the last decade. We all here and the people listening in today had the opportunity to share that adventure over its developing and unfolding in the past months and years. It's our privilege today to share with you some of the details of that final month of July that was certainly the highlight for the three of us of that decade.

They just went to the moon and they all looked like they just saw their dad naked. That's only part of it. They all look like they're lions. You tell them, Neil. And this is, yeah, it looks so fake. But again, that could be just extreme nerves. It could be people that don't know how to handle being in front of press. It could be introverts that are forced on the camera.

It could be a lot of issues. If you went to the moon and then you came back and you were sitting at a press conference, would you be at the light? What would your actions be? Would you be like, yeah, or would you be more light, certain light? It would look like uh like like a lakers uh press conference after they won you know just i'd be like lean back i have my hat on with some champagne just pointing to reporters and why didn't they bring back like a rock or

something they did they did they sure they brought it back a lot yeah they brought back many rocks but some of them turned out to be petrified wood. They gave one of them to the prime minister. Wait, that's a real thing? That's a thing? Yeah, they gave a moon rock in 69 or 70 to, I think it's the prime minister of Holland, whoever it was, whoever the person who runs Holland. And years later, they analyzed it, and it was petrified wood.

It was not a moon rock in fairness in fairness I do get the like by the time we got to Holland the gift basket's gonna change it's like we're not giving away the real moon rocks to Holland. Yeah. Like that, like, you know, right. England gets a real moon rock. Yeah. France gets a man. France gets a moon rock. You get a littler moon rock. Yeah,

yeah. But they get a little, they get a moon rock. Holland. They get us a statue. Just go find some rocks. Yeah, yeah.

Just like, you got some, yeah. Those fucking dudes rocks. What'd you think about this Mars mission? Look, that's all real. Look,

rovers are real. It's all, the, the, the technology is proven and legitimate and i don't think you could ever fake anything today yeah like you could fake things in 1969 if they i think if anything for sure what they did is it's been proven they fake some footage um for sure some photographs there's a photo of michael collins recorded over the original that like again those

little things like it's like you recorded over the original. Yeah, the original recordings. In a world where even the importance of syndication was known. I think they also lost the telemetry data, which is like the binary hard ones and zeros that show the distance between the Earth and lunar module at every step of the trip. They lost it? Yeah, they lost that shit. Yeah, they lost that shit. But, you know, then again, you got to realize, like, people die and people are responsible for storage and no one's paying attention and there's funding and the funding gets pulled.

And there's plausible reasons for some of the fuck ups. I mean, there are episodes of Blossom being guarded in a vault somewhere in Burbank. Episodes of Blossom, bro. Right, but you can get fucking money off of Blossom. You can't make any money off of these goddamn Moonland Eclipse. Look, there's some people that absolutely are convinced that we didn't go, and I used to be one of them. And I would love if they proved that it was fake. It would make me more happy than anything else in the world. You know what?

Oh, it would make me very happy, too. The thing that keeps me holding on to Maybe We Went is I toured NASA once, and they were nice. Wow, that's probably it, then. I was like, oh, they were nice. But you've got to realize those aren't the same people. You know, when people say, like, NASA lies. Okay, but those were NASA from 1969. These are different humans.

Yeah. You know, we're talking about 48 fucking years ago. These are completely different human beings. Yeah. They stand on the backs of liars. Yeah. Stop inviting us to NASA

so we can let us ask questions if you're going to fucking lie. What? That's what you say about the tour. I'm like, stop inviting us to NASA and allowing us to ask questions if you're going to lie. I don't think they think they're lying.

I don't think they're involved. If there was a conspiracy, like say if they did fake the moon landing, no one today who's alive was a part of that. Except Buzz Aldrin. He's the only one still alive. But he did something. Did he punch the dude in the face? Yeah, he punched some guy.

Bart Seabro. Bart Seabro made a move. I had dinner with him. Oh, with the guy you punched? With Bart Seabro made a move i had dinner with him oh with the guy seabro yeah yeah dinner with him many years ago and back when i was a full-blown moon non-believer uh-huh and you know i'm uh contacted him got a hold of him took him to dinner and uh i love that i like that i like that you use your celebrity for good. I don't know if it's for good, but it was for my own curiosity. Just like these real specific pockets of people that you just want to talk to.

Well, I wanted to sniff them out. You know, you could see someone doing interviews. You could see someone in an edited format, and you kind of get a sense of who they are. You don't really get a sense of who they are until you actually talk to them. Like you and him sharing a plate of pasta. What was his, what, like, what did he, did he give you anything that's like, gives context to like that moment or like, just like, why did it? He was convinced. He was absolutely convinced that it was a hoax.

And he, what he was convinced was that there was a space race between us and Russia and that it was, it was essentially a was a space race between us and Russia and that it was, uh, it was essentially a militarized space race. And what they were trying to do is prove military superiority. If you had the, the rockets that could get you to the moon, your technology was superior. Yeah.

And the way he framed it is like the United States had control over what was aired. Um, they put it on television and no one foresaw the future. No one foresaw that one day you would be looking at these clips on YouTube and analyzing them and putting them in slow-mo. They didn't even think that that was going to be a thing. They thought they were going to show it on television, and that would be it.

It was going to air one time on these four networks. Yeah, and they were going to show it in black and white, and they were going to have it 3D projected so that you would project it on a screen and then people who were filming it would have to film the screen. They didn't even get a live feed. When it was airing on television, it was airing people filming the screen that it was being projected on. What?

Yeah, they broke it down so it looked more and more grainy and fake. If you were trying to do something that was not done to the technology of the day that would possibly obscure some fraud, they did it all those ways. There's so many things that they did that you would go – in terms of conspiracies, it's a conspiracy theorist's wet dream. Because if it is a fake, it's the biggest fake of all time. And there's so many things that are squirrely about it. There's so many things. Doesn't mean it's fake. Yeah.

But there's so many things. Has anybody been to the moon? No. No one's been to the moon since 1969 to 1972. Those are the only trips. They did seven attempts, six of them successful. Apollo 13 was the one that wasn't successful. That was that big movie.

They landed on the moon and then came back seven times. 262,000 miles away. Now, here's where it gets crazy, or plus or minus, depending on where the moon's at. That's not that far. What's crazy is 262,000 miles is pretty far. What's crazy is... Wait, wait. miles is pretty far. What's crazy is... Oh, no, no, no, my bad. I'm thinking about, oh, that's three zeros.

Because I was like, what map are you seeing? Oh, man. What's interesting is that no other human space mission where a human's been a part of it since then has ever gone more than 400 miles from the Earth's surface. Is that where the space station is?

All the space shuttle missions, everything. I thought it was further than 400 miles. Wow. 400 miles. So the guy you had dinner with did what for Buzz Aldrin to sock him? He told Buzz Aldrin he was a liar. He said, you're a liar and a crook. And Buzz went, wha, bitch.

Yeah. Popped him right in the jaw. Did anything happen after? Does anyone contact him after that? I mean, I'd imagine. I don't know. I don't know what he's doing these days. Outside of the PR of it all.

I think he's an Uber driver now. I mean, immediately after the punch. No, no, no. The guy, Bart Seabrook. But I mean, immediately after the punch, is there any type of like. I think he tried to press charges and the cops told him to go fuck off. I think it was one of those things. It wasn't the best punch either.

I mean, if you go to the hospital from that punch. Buzz was like in his 80s at the time. Damn. But he tried. He followed. He harassed a lot of those guys. He harassed a lot of the astronauts and tried to get them to swear on Bibles. He'd bring a Bible and say, swear on this Bible that you want on the moon.

Yeah, I mean, it was a lot of weird shit. There's another one that's a 25th anniversary of the Apollo moon missions. He gives a speech at the White House in front of this group of honor roll students, like some of the best students in the country. And Neil Armstrong gives this real weird fucking speech. It's like, we have here amongst us... You want to hear it? Find Neil Armstrong's cryptic speech.

What makes it weird... When you see it, you'll get it. It's just real... It doesn't mean we didn't go to the moon. It doesn't mean that. By the way... It's fucking weird. It's really funny because I presented it as like, real. It doesn't mean we didn't go to the moon. It doesn't mean that. By the way, it's fucking weird.

It's really funny because I presented it as like, yeah, I don't think we went. And I didn't even have half of what you give me. Oh, I'll give you way more. There's a lot. Watch this. You're going to watch this. Here. And held back tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks.

This is from a funny thing happened on the way to the moon. Bart Seabrook's movie. As they toured the White House. But this is a real thing that happened. a funny thing happened on the way to the moon bart siebril's movie but this is a real thing that happened today we have with us a group of students among america's best to you we say we have only completed a beginning we leave you much that is undone Much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered. Breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers.

What? He is. The fuck does that mean? I mean, okay, well, two things. A little unfair to it is when you add that fucking Wonka music to anything, everything sounds incredibly creepy. Yes, true. But it does sound like he's trying to tell you something. I mean, you can't get more cryptic.

Yeah. And you also can't get more exciting if you're a conspiracy theorist. It almost kind of sounds like he's like, and to the child who actually figures out how to go to the fucking moon. There are great breakthroughs for those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. What would you rather? The moon confession or the R. Kelly confession? If you had to pick one. R. Kelly made a song.

It's a good song. I did it. I need that moon confession, bro. I need that moon confession. I don't need that confession. I'm good. I get it.

That's up to the law now. I think the law is going to have a piece of that. R. Kelly seems to be pretty Teflon, but the moon confession would be fascinating. I'd be excited to. Or like a moon

like, I don't know, just I guess it's not on them to prove that they went. So I'm saying just some type of like... Why lie? Well, 1969. It's a different world. Nixon's president. I don't know if they did lie.

I don't know. I used to think I knew. I do not think I know. I mean, it's foolish. I don't know jack shit about astrophysics. But I know if there was a lie, you know, if there's any president we would guess would be down. It'd be Trump. He'd tell us about it.

Well, no, I'm saying I'm saying like Nixon just like, it is a perfect storm of like... Oh, yeah. That's Nixon, yeah. Oh, he's the most deceptive president of all time, except the current one. Yeah. It's very interesting. I've shut down a lot of

barbecues with that? just bring it up now you have more information and by the way this is a fraction of the shit dude I did research for years I debated a scientist on Penn Jillette's radio show about it

how'd it go? pretty good for me even though I don't even agree with some of the shit that I said back then. Where does that argument end on just a agree to disagree? It was a time constraint. I would do it far differently now. I think far differently now than I did then. I would not take this I know we didn't do it approach.

Because I don't know we didn't do it. Yeah, no. And that's the thing. I very casually go, eh, probably not. Yeah. But it just, the things that don't add up to me don't add up in a way that just makes me go, yeah. Do you know about the Van Allen radiation belts? You know about all that?

Not enough to, like. There's a belt of radiation, like a donut-shaped belt of radiation. From just years of. No, no, no, it just naturally surrounds the earth oh you know what I'm thinking about I'm thinking about the never mind I'm thinking about the belt of

from years of like satellites oh yeah yeah there's that shit too there wasn't much of that in 1969 not nearly as much what about it

the Van Allen radiation belt is an intense band of radiation for miles that surrounds the earth that you would have to go through to get to the moon so they apparently though there's a hole that you would have to go through to get to the moon. Apparently, though, there's a hole that you could go through in the top where the radiation belt isn't there.

But the idea is that there was no shielding to protect them from radiation. They just were in this aluminum tin can. Have you ever touched a lunar module? There was a science exhibit I went to once that had a replica of the lunar module, and you could put your hands on it. And it's like, whoa, this thing is made out of Coke cans. It's so nothing. I want to show you. It's so weird looking.

There's also photographs that are fucking wonky, lights that go at two different angles. And they say, well, that's possible due to you know uneven terrain and you know things reflecting off of things all these different variables I really enjoy just like playing around in the where is this? where is that?

oh wow is that a space shuttle? yeah it's the shuttle you see I have you've seen these. You're another dude that walks around with a phone with no case on. Yeah, this is me on the Red Bull. You don't put a case on your phone, dude. No, no.

Our wrist jobs died so that we could feel its sleekness. You're a risk taker. I like the feel of the phone. It's good. A lot of people do. Neil deGrasse Tyson was sitting in that very seat 24 hours ago, said the exact same thing. Yeah. He has this with no case on either.

I was like, ooh. If he could only be here now. And you don't drop it. Oh, he would go crazy on us. He's one of the reasons why I dropped it. Talking to him, I'm like, eh. He thinks we win? Yeah.

Well, he's dedicated his whole life to the idea of it. Well, you know what also? He hasn't. He's dedicated his whole life to science. No, but I'm just saying, like, to the way that, like, that's part of it. It's part of, like, the kid growing up. It is, but he's not an indulger in conspiracy theories. He's got too much other shit to think about that's real.

He's thinking about actual real science. Like, he doesn't have time for that nonsense. But he will illuminate you on why he thinks it's stupid. And it would be an incredibly difficult task to fake that. But it wouldn't be as difficult in 1969 as it would be in 2018. If you try to do that in 2018, basically impossible. I mean, America, I mean, the Tuskegee experiment existed. You know what I mean?

What year was that? Was that the 60s? It went on for, what, 20 years? It was like a, I don't know the exact, but it was like 20 years of history where this is happening and like so many things can just kind of happen under the surface. Did they give people syphilis or did they pee? Yeah. What's that? Giving black men syphilis. Like it just like kind of like, I don't even know

what the research was exactly, if it's monitoring its effects. I think that was exactly what it was. Yeah, and it was just, yeah, for like 20 years at the Tuskegee Hospital. There are real conspiracies. Unquestionably, undeniably

real conspiracies. Like Gulf of Tonkin, which got us into the Vietnam War. They pretended that a ship got attacked by North Korea or by North Vietnam. Was it North Vietnam? Whatever it was. By Vietnam in the South Pacific. And this motivated everybody to get into war with Vietnam.

Never happened. It's fake. Made it up. Operation Northwoods, 1962, signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, vetoed by President Kennedy. It was a signed order where they were going to plan out fake attacks on America. They were going to launch a drone jetliner and blow it up in the air, blame it on Cuba. They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and have them attack Guantanamo Bay. They're going to pay them, arm them to attack Guantanamo Bay. And then it would give us the motivation to go to war with Cuba. This was all signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

They're going to sacrifice American lives. They're going to kill Americans. They were going to have people attack Americans and they were going to blame it on the Cubans. And they were orchestrating it all to get people motivated for a war with Cuba. And President Kennedy came along and said, what in the fuck are you talking about? And he vetoed it and stopped it. And a year later, he was dead. This is one of the things that he did. One of the things that he did that lead many people to believe that there was a conspiracy that he was murdered.

That's a good one, too. The Lee Harvey Oswald case is a fascinating one. Lee Harvey's murder is the shadiest looking shit you've ever seen. Jack Ruby runs his hell by the cops. It was like a motion picture of just with a director, like a B-movie director. Yeah, it really was. What happened with Lee Harvey Oswald? Lee Harvey Oswald's captured by the cops.

He says, I'm a patsy. You know, I didn't do anything. And they're walking him. They're holding on to him. By the way, he's behaving like a guy who got framed. He's not behaving like a guy who just shot the president. And they're walking with him. This is after he said he was a patsy.

They're walking with him through the courtyard. And Jack Ruby, who was a mob guy, walks right up to him and shoots him in front of everybody. Jack Ruby was a nightclub owner who was deep in debt to the mob. Look at the shot. Watch this. He's walking. Look how they have him.

Look at the shot. Bang. Just walks up to him. They grab him. Hey, you caught it out there, mister. It looks like it's playing on Turner Classic Movies. It does. You could add music to this. I grab him. Hey, you caught it out there, mister. It looks like it's playing on Turner Classic Movies. It does. You could add music to this. I'm surprised no one's added... Give me some volume, Jamie. Play that from the beginning. Let me see him

walking again. Give me some volume. Let me hear this. But look at these shots. These... They're walking him through. But look how the cops are like way on the outside too. I don't want to get shot. Look how they're holding him. There's a man with a gun.

Get him. Never shot another round round Shoots one round Kills him And that's it Very strange Strange place to shoot him too Where did he shoot him? The guts

You know Like in the movies It's just weird Even the way he drew his gun was very like... Yeah, I think there's probably many people involved in that murder. Very, very, very likely. You know the Zapruder film didn't get played on TV until more than 10 years after the assassination? That was that long?

You know who played it? Who? Dick Gregory. Oh, he was the... Dick Gregory got a hold of that film and he brought it to the geraldo rivero show in like what was it like 1970 something it's i think the the murder was in 63 yeah and i think he brought it on the geraldo rivero show 75 how about that hey man and you know what and knowing that it played on uh Geraldo more than makes up for the Al Capone's vault fiesta.

Geraldo used to be legit, man. He was that guy. People don't realize Geraldo was super legit. Dick Gregory was a king. He was a journalist. Oh, he was amazing. Dick Gregory was amazing. I mean, he was an activist before anybody even knew what the fuck that meant.

And as a comedian, for him to be appearing on this show, Geraldo Rivera, beautiful hair. God, look at his hair. And Dick Greggly, looking young and handsome. And he brings this out and explains to people, hey, it is highly likely that the president got shot from the front. And look at his head go back and to the left. You see his brain spray and the blood spray out of his head. It's crazy. When they played it, people were stunned. And you could clearly see him grabbing his neck. It's crazy. When they played it, people were stunned. And you could clearly see him grabbing his neck. You could see the whole thing.

It's a fucked up video. And it's amazing that if we didn't have this video, we would probably have a completely different narrative of what happened to Kennedy. One guy with one camera opened up the possibility that there was a massive conspiracy that killed the president. And it led to the release of countless books and so much speculation. How many files? What's the timestamp before all the files around the case?

Well, some of them were released fairly recently. Yeah, they came out last year or maybe even this year. And I don't even remember. Look at that. Boom, back and to the left. I don't remember what the conclusion was. I just missed it. Rew don't even remember. Look at that. Boom. Back and to the left. I don't remember what the conclusion was. Oh, I just missed it. Rewind it.

Yeah. So grainy. Yeah. Here. Watch. Back and to the left. Watch here. Itty.

Here comes the spray. Bang. Oh, shit. Yeah. The way his head throws back, it seems very likely that he was hit from the front. The way his head throws back, it seems very likely that he was hit from the front. However, it's also possible that he was hit from the back and that his body just spasmed that way. You know, I mean, no one really knows.

Yeah. Have you seen Jackie, the movie Jackie? No. They capture, he captures like that moment. You know, it's for the film. But it's a really beautifully captured moment that he plays throughout the film. Just for that alone, I thought the movie was beautiful and very underrated. But he captured it really well. Yeah, it's a crazy moment in history.

They assassinated the president and it was caught on film but again if dick gregory didn't get that video footage to geraldo rivera is this in the movie like oh jesus christ damn yeah what in the fuck yeah it's it's crazy was she picking up his brains no that's not true you know lenny bruce had a whole fucking bit on that He had a whole bit on that because they tried to say that she was picking up his brain. She was running away. She knew that he was dead and she was escaping. She was climbing off the back of the car to escape. And then the Secret Service was behind her and, you know, he tried to help her. Damn.

Yeah. Fucking crazy, dude. There's also the difference in the autopsy. The autopsy in Dallas, the way they examined his wounds in Dallas versus the way they described him in Bethesda, Maryland when they flew him to that hospital, completely different. Really? Yeah, yeah. They turned the entry wound into the neck, which they said was a bullet hole. They turned that into a tracheotomy wound.

They changed the way they thought the entrance wound to the head was. Yeah, there was a lot of weird fuckery that went on between Dallas and Maryland. And then there was also generals in the room that were there that wouldn't allow doctors to come and do certain

parts of the autopsy. There's a lot of weird shit. Wow. I mean, also, it's the president. You have to realize the president of the United States is shot. It's top secret. They don't know what else could happen. Yeah, no, I get that aspect of it.

But just to not have the files line up, but then release both. When were they released? There's a great book on it. The book's called Best Evidence by a guy named David Lifton. And I fucked up once and read this book before I went on stage. I was working in Philly. And I was on the road. I was young.

And I didn't understand. You've got to put yourself in a good frame of mind before you do stand-up. And I was reading this book, freaking the fuck out. I was like, oh, my God. They shot the president. This is real. They killed the goddamn president. And I was reading this book, freaking the fuck out. I was like, oh my God, they shot the president. This is real. They killed the goddamn president. And I went on stage

like super bummed out. I had explained to the lady that ran the club, I'm like, I'm so sorry. This won't happen tomorrow because I was there for the whole weekend.

I'm like, I read this book and she's like, don't read that book tomorrow. I was like, I won't. I promise. Going on stage

bummed out is the worst. I gotta pee. I'm going on stage. Bumped out. I got to pee. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I've done that before. I went up. I remember one time. I mean, this is the craziest set ever.

I'm at Baltimore Comedy Factory, which is already, you know, just with my style in that club, already shouldn't be a thing that happens. Well, you got to find that out the hard way, though. Already that. But, you know, whatever. And also my friend Angelo just passed away, and I was going through, we were talking about like kind of i was depressed i was like trying to make sense of that coupled with it was that right after like christmas and the holidays i hadn't gone up for a few weeks so being rusty depressed at the baltimore comedy

factory uh you know is a combination that led to like, it almost, I remember experiencing it from up here. You know what I mean? It's one of those things that you experience where you're just kind of looking down at it, just like, huh. Going on stage after something terrible. Yeah, no, I mean, especially if you're,

you know, if who you are in you act is so reliant upon. Having fun. Yeah. Or a truth to, you know, the presentation is a certain, it has a certain amount of truth to it. Right. Where you are right now. Yeah. What's actually going on in your mind.

Yeah. Which is also a thing I always have to guard for me because it's so really absorb, absorb, absorb. So, like, I'm reacting to and by exactly how I feel right now. I worked with J.B. Smooth once. We were working in a club, no, a college in New Jersey. And it was real hard to get to. And this was back before GPS. We just had directions written down on paper.

And he was real late, like a half hour late plus, maybe even more. And the show was supposed to start at 8. It was already 8.30, and he wasn't there. So they said, look, just have a seat in the green room and wait, and when he gets here, we'll put him on. So I go, okay. So I have a seat in the green room and wait. And, you know, when he gets here, we'll put him on. So I go, okay. So I have a seat in the green room and I'm watching this show. And it's a documentary on these fires in Malibu that devastated Malibu back then, you know, and fucking burnt all these houses down.

And these people are weeping and crying and they're looking for their dog. They're like, Rusty, where are you, Rusty? And then this guy is he's a firefighter. And he comes out. And he didn't even lose his house. He was just taking care of all these people that did lose their houses. And he built this house. And it's like his life savings.

And his neighbor's house is gone. His house was spared. And he's just weeping. This guy's just openly weeping. And then the director of entertainment, whatever it is, for the college comes in and goes, and goes well JB's not here yet so I guess you'll just go on first and when he gets here you go I'm like okay so we're gonna bring you up now okay I was like okay and I just went up and just ate shit yeah yeah so depressed yeah I mean it about this fire and all these people burning dogs and

you know did you talk about that? No. I was terrible at the time. I didn't know what I was doing. Ready for some comedy? Just that moment. When you're a young comic, at the time I'd been doing comedy like four years, when I would go down with the ship four years in, there was no coming back.

Once I bombed, if I was doing pretty good and then I started bombing, there was no recovery. I never recovered. recovered yeah this is just like there's no i've already given you my best well it's also i just didn't have the i didn't have the mindset i didn't know how to recover i didn't know how to step back and reassess and you think about these fires i was so depressed it's a lot it's a lot you just can't watch something like that before you go on stage. Yeah, I mean, and then not react. Also, you know, it's also that learned thing of how to find the best of where you are type of thing. But, like, yeah, before having that. Stay out of the weeds, man.

Don't talk to anybody that's depressing. Don't do anything depressing. Yeah. It's depressing. Don't do anything depressing. Yeah. Well, people like to talk. More than that, I'm actually more affected by, you know, I remember starting out and going to clubs.

And people, you know, the booker or whatever likes to come in and give you the rundown of the room and whatever. And I'm really bad at that. I'm bad at, like, don't give me the information. Again, allow me to react to whatever is out there and whatever's going on and like you don't need that thing like let it get in my head as i'm in my head you don't want to hear okay there's a bachelor party in table two and they're really rowdy and we're going to try to talk to them first so just just you know what are you doing yeah yeah they'll tell you this as you're being introduced. They'll hold your arm.

Yeah. Just want to let you know. We've got it. We're going to handle it. The bachelor party got under control. They do it on, I mean, if you're doing press for certain things, like most things, they try and do a pre-interview. And it's all just these things that just rings out anything organic.

Any realness. Any spontaneity squeezed out by those pre-interviews. And you're doing it with a producer. Do you have any stories, funny stories? I don't know. Do I? I'm not sure. The worst, have you ever gone on one of those radio shows

where they want you to do your bits? Oh, yeah, yeah. Those are death. I hope somebody recorded it. the worst you ever gone on one of those radio shows where they want you to do your bits oh yeah yeah oh there's some I hope somebody recorded there's some great 6am me in Indiana just refusing

Bob and Tom show did you do that I think I did Bob and Tom I'm pretty sure I did Bob and Tom I did that too and the fucking producer lady

got very angry at me yeah yeah it's like why would I why would I do that yeah i think it was a lady it might have been dude but but you know like it is that but again man it all goes to like perception like they what people make of comedians you know you know and what the

expectations are when you go out and you do these things like what people's expectations are like you gotta like you you it's up to you to like change it yeah like to change that thing it's just like all right well look hey bob and tom yeah nice guys people do the their bits that's just not a thing that i do yeah we'll have a conversation yeah and you try to pretend that conversation can't be entertaining that's crazy and it's like it's not even that they do it it has to be tailored to you

you can't do the thing you can't just fill into the mold of comedian it's just going to make the exact same thing over and over well the art form is just very underappreciated because it seems like we're just talking. You know, it seems like anybody can do it. I talk too.

You talk? I talk. Yeah. You know, it's not like we all play guitar. So you see someone go up there and shred. People from back home think they could do a pretty good job. Exactly. Because everybody's been funny at one point in time.

We've all hung around with somebody who said some hilarious shit. Oh, yeah. And, you know, that feels good, right? It feels good when they do that that when they say that and they get that feeling like damn I just made everybody laugh. Yeah, we've all felt that and we probably felt that before we ever did comedy So they see you on stage and they see you killing and they say I could do that shit He's doing that but he's doing what I do I could do that and they get it in their head their head Jamar could do that shit he's doing that he's doing what I do I could do that and they get it in their head

Jamar could do it why the fuck can't I do it they get it in their head like he's just talking he's not doing back flips he's not he's not surfing 80 foot waves

but you know what I mean they think what you're doing is stuff they do I had a I had a cousin like you, I'll bring Jeremy out. Cousins out, whatever. I'll bring him out to, like, the club sometimes or whatever.

Brought him to an open mic one time. And, you know, I go up and I say, hey, man, it's an open mic, man. If y'all want to go up. I was like, you should. You guys want to see my boys do it or whatever. So my cousin Jeremy was like, yeah, I'll do it, whatever. And he's like, I can do that shit. And he gets up and he does good.

He's a funny dude, you know? And I was like, all right, now do that shit every day for 10 years. And you know what? And look, the reality is some people are good. I'm sure, you know, some comedians started some people are good I'm sure you know some comedians started just by I can do this shit

and then they did and then they were great at it and you know and like and that can't happen it's just that if you are gonna do it

like anything you know if it is like what you're choosing it's just like make sure that the articulation is yours and interesting

and you know what i mean like i think that's kind of the goal like what however you get into it or whatever inspired it or whatever like if you are doing it do it yeah you know like do it and like do it at its highest level if you can yeah it's just i think stand up like you were saying it just doesn't get the respect that other art forms get because there's no, like if you see someone play guitar, play the drums or something like that, you don't have any illusion that you can go up and do exactly what they do.

But a lot of people have the illusion in their mind that they can go on stage and be funny because they're just talking. Or even just be interesting. To be anything in a room. But it's but a lot of it, you know, part of the reason for the perception is the things that we accept. Yeah. You know, it really is that like a lot of the things that we accept contribute to.

Oh, yeah. Like, you know, we make it like we allow ourselves to be presented like, you know, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right, yeah. Well, and it's also, it's one of the rare things that anybody can try, right? You can go up open mic night and try. Yeah.

And, you know, while you're up there doing stand-up, somebody who's a professional might drop in. And, you know, Chappelle might show up and do a set. Jeff Ross might go up there. Dom Herrera might show up. People show up and do sets and share the stage with you. It's your first day. Right? That's a rare thing.

That doesn't take place in music or anywhere else. Where you get an open mic night and there's 30 people doing three minutes. Yeah. Anybody could be one of them. It's weird. Homeless people Yeah A lot of homeless people Right

A lot of sketchy fucking weirdos That touch the same mic as you You know That same mic Same mic It doesn't change It doesn't ever get cleaned Nobody cleans that comedy store mic

You got an intense immune system From working at that school No one's taking a Clorox wipe Who the fuck is cleaning anything at that place? They barely clean the tables. At that place, they just deliver drinks to keep the party rolling. That's part of why it's so good.

It's just a grimy joy. Fucking got it, man. That's a big layer of humor that's covering everything. Oh, for sure, man. I think when they changed out the improv and they swapped that lab for that back bar and they put that bar in there and it's like it seemed like they like removed a body part it's like yeah how they got it now yeah it's but i mean in the way that like you got the energy

went away yeah it was this kind of uh it's kind of miami infusion yeah so i feel like a nightclub it was an encino restaurant bar. That's what it was like. Yeah. Yeah. Just with the sofas and they're just like, you know what? This room needs a place for people to lounge more. Yeah.

Well, they kind of figured it out now. They got little shows that they do there. It's kind of interesting. But it used to be cool. It used to be like a room like a separate room that was just comedy and Ari Shafir's whole storyteller show

started out there that's where he would do it he would run it there because it was like a 70, 80 seat room wait you're talking about the lab the lab

it used to be before it was the bar it was the lab because they redid it twice we did it a couple times I was talking about the main like the main the redoing of the main room yeah the lab. Because they redid it twice. Yeah, I remember the lab. We did it a couple times. I was talking about the redoing of the main room.

Oh, yeah. The lab room, yeah, I remember that. That could have a really good energy when it had that really pink curtain. Yes. That was back there. Yeah, I remember doing a Montreal Montreal showcase yeah that was like my first and only one no I did it twice that yeah improv is a weird spot like that hallway when you wait and go on there's nowhere to hide yeah you know

you're stuck in the hallway people walking by yeah okay man let me talk to you about something like I'm going on stage right now. I got to go. Hold on, let me get a selfie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They could touch you right before you're going on stage. They can talk to you. Yeah. Again, that never happens with Gary Clark. He's never about to go on stage.

There's some dude in the hallway going, yo, Gary, let me get a selfie. Yeah, yeah. You're away from it. Yeah. You walk out and show yourself. That's part of the reason why it's interesting. It's part of the reason because you're one of them. But it's also part of the reason why it's interesting. It's part of the reason because you're like one of them. But it's also part of the reason why it's a fucking weird art form.

Yeah. No, it is. It is. It's weird. And at its best, it's so interesting. And you get a lot of perspective and thoughts. Are you doing a lot of sets these days? What are you doing?

I haven't gone up. Really haven't gone up. I've done maybe two or three sets in the past year and a half damn that's crazy maybe that and

the last time I saw you did you do like two minutes and walk off yeah yeah I was like I'm good I don't need this why why no it's just not

it's not where ideas are going now where's your ideas going now uh felt like it's a lot of film projects and like some television stuff that just feels more normal yeah it just feels like the way of it i mean even you know uh before i mean i had like a tv show i would do a lot of thoughts would just go there and i wouldn't do stand up a lot during that and like you know I like to just focus and like put the energy where where you feel the most creative and so that's why I mean I could you could go up and you could I don't know something about stand up right now you know it's it's simultaneously like oh man there's some really amazing things happening and just kind of as a whole it's just like a certain uh i think it's going through like this growing phase like this kind of identity thing right because it's like i feel like there needs to be kind of this overhaul and even one in its presentation and two with the expectation of performer audience thing because

it's a lot of like i don't know i i'll go and i'll see a lot of like you know trump stuff and a lot of things but it's like not like new perspective and it's like you know it's a lot of civil rights leaders and it's a lot of you know like a lot of things and and you know and not even good civil rights leaders just you know talking points right and just kind of preaching to it's a lot of preaching the choirs and it's like you know the whole thing is this unique articulation and like this unique thing that you're supposed to be bringing it's show and tell like it is like hey i have this thing i have this thought that i think is unique i have this way of presenting this thought that i think is unique and and now and again it's profitable right now this is the bubble where it is right

now right if you go up and you you know uh speak for your group for you speak in this type of way you can get rewarded for it and kind of these immediate rewards so i understand it but it it really does kind of choke the art form it chokes what's interesting about it you know i think there's just so many people trying to stand out, and it's so difficult to do that. And they find these paths, and one of those paths is to be someone who's really moral and righteous and has something to say. But it's also under the illusion of being rebellious and edgy. It's under the illusion of these things because it's like when Dick Gregory said the things that he said and the things that he said, there was real danger. In a conservative country, there's real danger to a lot of things.

He says, you get on stage and you're like, fuck Trump in Los Angeles and New York City. Yeah. There's no danger. You're honing your skills and it's just like, oh, well, good for you. That unique perspective you bring about how this is the worst of times yeah it's uh there's definitely a lot of that there's a lot of voices you know but there's a lot of great stuff too no there is there are unique you know experience like that that's the thing it's just with anything it's it's flooded right now there do you plan on going back do you have aspirations or do you have a thought in your head or do you just go with the flow just kind of go with i mean if i if i feel it and i and like

thoughts come out that fit or if i find a way to do it like a thing that maybe doesn't necessarily fit in with that then maybe i'll do that i'm open to it i just don't know yeah i don't really know what that is right now. That's beautiful, though, that you have that sensibility. This is what I'm thinking about. This is what I like to do right now. Yeah, and just kind of focus. I've been in more music studios in the past two years than I've been in comedy clubs.

Really? Yeah. What are you doing with music? Just kind of there. Just hanging out? Well, I like to talk about it and kind of there just like just hanging out well just i i like i mean i like to talk about it and use like how to discuss it and like you know i've i've been like enough to kind of be around some like artists that i admire and just like listen to that creation part like i like the

immediacy of that process like a lot i like that is what i was saying what i like about even here it's like it's it's an art space that you have here where you can kind of create like in this immediate space and like exactly how you see it it comes out in that way and you can record it you capture like that yeah and and when your mind is in that space you know you need to only do things that it can be good at yeah yeah. Yeah. So it's a, it's a good, you're, well,

you're, it seems to me as an outsider is that you found like your natural path. You found a natural path. Like you've, you've, you've made it in, you become successful. You've, you're well known now and you've got freedom and you're just like,

let me just find my, what am I into? Well, I'm doing what I hope. Like all of us are trying to do. Like, the one thing that I've always done is exactly what I want to do in the career. And it's not just by nature. It's not like, you know, and then I told it's just by saying not doing the things.

If it doesn't match, then not doing it, you know, like and trying to have a vision of what the thing is and just making that. Right. And so, like, that's what, like, comedy at its best, again, the medium finds you. Like, it comes to you. You don't go to the medium. Yeah. You know, like, the medium is meeting you. Like, and so many people are just, like, conforming and just it becomes the same thing.

I don't know. It's a weird time. Well, that's a good outsider's perspective. Like, you're an insider that has almost an outsider's perspective because you're looking at it like you step back a little bit. And you watch all the fucking hamster wheel. Watch all the scrambling. Watch all the sliding around. There's a lot of that, man.

There's a lot of fake horse shit going on. There's a lot of that, man. There's a lot of fake horse shit going on. There's a lot of people grabbing at straws. Yeah, it's a lot of, it's really noisy. Yeah. But there's just so many opportunities, there's so many venues, and there's so many comedians. And it's also comedy's so hot right now. It's like it's such an exciting time for stand-up

that there's so many people doing it, so you're automatically going to get, just like when you're trying out jokes, a lot them suck well when you're trying out comedians oh yeah a lot of them are gonna make it i mean this might be in terms of like success to failure ratios one of the most brutal art forms you could ever attempt to be a professional at. Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely. I mean, because you're going out there kind of naked with the thought. How many guys from your era, like when you started doing open mic nights, are doing well now?

Guys are right now really finding their kind of space, and guys are starting to get TV shows. Guys that I remember seeing at Mike's are really starting to do. In the past couple years, it's really kind of hit. I was on this weird, kind of weird path, trajectory type of thing. I kind of was just on the side of it i feel i feel like in this weird sense and things kind of happen and i kind of found an infrastructure that worked for me really quickly you know what i mean but like now around now is the time i think that a lot of things are starting to happen for like guys that have been around like if you were around 500 dudes when you first started that you knew regularly maybe three are working now yeah yeah

right yeah legitimately like if you counted all them up over the first 10 years of your stand-up career you got maybe three that are doing yeah that are doing what they want to do yeah you know two that are doing what they want to do yeah maybe it really is that yeah it's fucking brutal a lot of comedians operate in this space where it's like they don't know they could do what they want to do right that's a big wall yeah it's a big wall i've seen a lot of people stop at that wall people that can that are just like still trying to figure out how to write the confidence to act the confidence to act on your actual instincts to to do what you really want to do which is so crazy because comedy you think that we'd be the ones that are closest to it because it's so instinctual and it's such a

reaction you know like a lot of things you do is such a re like when you you discover you're funny through like when you you discover you can sing by preparing to sing right you know you go and you prepare the thing you your voice and you give it a shot and you look you discover you're funny by just like oh what that would right right right yeah like you discover you're funny the way you know people laughing at shit you said you didn't even know it was funny yeah was that okay or by like a hunch. Yeah, like, you discover you're funny the way, you know. People laugh and it's shit you said you didn't even know was funny. Yeah, was that okay? Or by, like, a hunch that, you know, like, that you have.

So, like, it's so instinctual that you would think it would be more of that, like, following your instinct, following your gut. Yep. Forging your own path. But there's also, it's so scary in the beginning that once you find shelter, you hold on to that. Yeah. That's why those, you know, the saddest comedians, the ones that they do stand up for five years, they develop a half an hour and it never changes. Yeah.

You found it. Cling to that bitch like a fucking life raft. Yeah. And they, yeah, people listen, man, you know,

people don't talk about how comfy glass ceilings are. You know, they're really, it's actually surprisingly soft up there. Yeah. Listen, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Yeah, this is great.

What do you got going on? Do you promote anything? You got anything happening? Oh, Drew's special. I got to talk about Drew's special. Drew Michael. I meant to send that to you. Oh, send it to me now. I'll send it to you now. It comes out this weekend. It comes out Saturday. It's really fun. He's a comedian I love.

I'm excited for people to see him directed a special did it without an audience without an audience yeah really where'd he do it uh we shot it on a stage just like on a stage we kind of created the environment wow and uh yeah i i really whose idea was it to do it on audience? Mine I think the thoughts work Removed from it And I'm really excited Really excited to capture it like that I don't even really know what you call this thing But I'm really

Cause it was like When I first saw him Is this a trailer? Yeah When I first saw him, I... Is this a trailer? Yeah, yeah. I don't want to date someone I don't love. I love my mom. She's single, too. Not that it matters.

And people are like, what? And you're like, oh. Look at that. August 25th. That's interesting. You know, those shows, those sitcoms, when they first started doing single-camera sitcoms, and they started doing them without an audience,

people were like, what? Yeah. The Larry Sanders show? Yeah. You're like, what the fuck is this? There's no audience? How weird. Still funny, though, and people laughing at home.

Yeah. You know, some of my favorite shows you ever watch Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt I haven't really watched it but it's fucking hilarious show but that's no audience

that's the thing the thing is that it's like I think the thoughts you know stand alone they speak for itself it was like

why not yeah yeah it was it's really exciting to just kind of put that into beautiful some living rooms and see what people think

beautiful well gentlemen Jamar good to see you as always my brother kind of put that into some living rooms and see what people think. Beautiful. Well, gentlemen, Jamar, good to see you as always, my brother. Yes, sir. Thanks for taking my time. Good to see both of you. Thanks for doing this. Let's do it again, man. Let's do it again.

It was great. We're in the neighborhood. Take care. This is fun, man. Oh, I forgot to sign.