The Joe Rogan Experience - #1185 - Kelly Slater

Episode Date: October 22, 2018

Kelly Slater is a professional surfer. He is the youngest and the oldest to win the World Surf League men's title, which he's won a record 11 times.

four three two one kelly slater we've been talking about doing this for how long a couple years it's been a while thanks for having me thanks for being here i'm glad we finally got a chance to do it what are you in california for i know you broke your foot right i broke my foot real bad i um how'd you do that my well my girlfriend's from san clemente and uh her family lives there and uh so we kind of live here. We're not moving around too much, so I'm just kind of here right now. I'm not competing. I broke my foot. I was surfing in South Africa about 15 months ago, and I was just on a wave that I wouldn't consider a very big wave. Nobody would really consider dangerous, and it all kind of closed out, which is, you know, when it

all breaks at once, I just pulled in the thing because I was going to sort of wash in on the rocks right where that was and change boards. And I was practicing. I had to compete in about two hours from then. So I was just testing out different boards. For some reason, I wasn't riding the board. I was planning on riding competition. So I was going to come in and change and switch to my normal board. And I just pulled in this wave and just I kind of hesitated.

Like usually you either ride those out and stay on your board, or you jump off, and I was kind of between the two. And I kind of lifted my front foot off of my back foot. My leg was straight because I was kind of going to think I was going to jump off. And as my leg got locked back straight, the board flipped in against the toes, and it just broke the top of my foot in half. Oh! Like, immediate. top of my foot in half. Oh.

Like immediate. Oh my God. Yeah. We're looking at a photograph of the x-ray right now and it's like every bone is snapped. Well, what you can't see. So are you aware of the Liz Frank joint? No. Which is like, that's where the first big metatarsal comes together. So that first big joint on top of the foot there.

Why is it called the Liz Frank joint? Liz Frank joint? Liz Frank was a doctor, I think. We could look this up. I think that was the person that did the original surgery, which when you used to break your foot in a stirrup back 100 years ago, they used to cut your foot off. Oh, God damn it. Yeah, so that was kind of how this sort of joint got famous.

But normally what happens is those toes, those two bones right there, the first and second metatarsal, can either spread or converge one way or the other. And that's usually what a Liz Frank fracture is. I had the best of the three, which is I had a crack. You can just see on the right side of, yeah, if you go down with the cursor right there, just a little lower, there's a little crack right there, right there on that corner. And then the next one broke across. You can just see right there, it's cracked across. And then, so it kind of went in a line up and across the foot. And then the other two are just

destroyed. Yeah, the third one displaced. The fourth one shattered into about eight pieces. The doctor said he lost count putting them back together. And, you know, you would know from injuries, the problem with when there's shatters of bone, they're not getting the blood flow. So it's not like a four or five week repair job. It's like that was like nine months before that thing was back together properly. So when they do that, how do they piece that shattered one back together again? Delicately. And they put like a mesh over.

So I got to kind of like figure out how to. Well, I had a plate on the Liz Frank and then I had a plate, kind of a bridge across the third and fourth. And so they kind of meshed it all together. And then I think I had 16 screws combined in all that. God damn, man. It was brutal. The problem with it was I did it in South Africa where I wasn't going to get surgery. So I had to wait for the swelling to go down for about six days before I could fly.

Oh, God damn. Because they thought the foot was going to swell too much because it was already swollen from the event so i iced the shit out of my foot for like you know five days and sat there and watched unfortunately the waves were perfect so i was sitting on the beach just watching perfect waves you know it's like that's like as painful as the injury to a surfer you know it's like watching a bunch of elk walk by in front of you and and not not scared of you right right and uh um so i i sat there because the the whole time prior to me being injured while I was there for like two weeks, the waves weren't very good. So I broke my foot and the waves got great.

So I had to watch it. So that's painful for us. So then I waited for the swan to go down. Then it's two red eyes to get back. Was there no way you could get it fixed in South Africa? I maybe could have, but then I was probably looking at staying in Africa for a month or more. And, and also I didn't know the quality sort of level of quality of doctor I was going to get there. And I, I got a doctor I work with here and I called him straight away. I said, look, it's my fourth

broken foot, but I've never broken it like this. Usually it's like, let it heal for four weeks and you're surfing. And it's all from surfing yeah and all in the same way oh really really pretty much the board going back against the foot fuck um because and usually it happens when i'm you know i don't know how well versed you are in surfing but when i'm tube riding and usually with my back to the wave which has happened two or three times So I'm in the wave, the lip pitches over and lands. But when that lands, it sends a shock back into the wave. Like, you know, when the lip hits flat water, that lip, some of the energy goes down and some disperses out and up and some comes back into the tube. So if it does that and you're in the wrong spot, the board will flip into your

feet. But normally what we do is we're when you're backside barrel ride a lot of times you're grabbing the rail so you kind of have both your feet and your hand on it so you can handle that shock but if you're just going no hand backside it's usually a pretty big intense barrel and and so that lip has a lot of energy and it shoots a ton of force back towards you and if if it hits your board just wrong it can flip in your foot and break it. Do you know anybody else who's broken their foot like you, like that? Not this bad.

One guy on tour broke his foot pretty bad requiring surgery this year. That looks horrible, man. How long was it before you can walk? You're walking totally normal now. So how long has it been since the surgery? Yeah, so I had surgery in end of July last year. since the surgery yeah so so i had surgery in end of july last year and then walking normal wasn't till maybe december january wow december well december i competed again but i probably shouldn't have but we're we're at pipeline in hawaii which is you're not doing maneuvers it's not a small

wave kind of competition if the waves are small i wouldn't have surfed since it's bigger it's a little easier because you take off and kind of trim a straight line right so you're kind of going straight you know even though you're riding the barrel you're kind of going straight but are you conscious of your foot being compromised yeah wow i don't know i just i that's my favorite event in the world so i just didn't want to miss it but fuck if you broke your foot again yeah yeah but then you know the bones were pretty good back together then and I could walk somewhat without pain and if I put myself in a real vulnerable vulnerable position on a wave I would kind of maybe jump off you know I wouldn't really push it it's not worth winning a contest to break my foot again but I'm sure to be able to surf pipeline with no one out is kind of worth a little risk.

Now, when you are healing, is there anything they give you that can accelerate bone healing? Or is there any supplements? A lot of it is kind of, I mean, it's the furthest place from your heart, right? And it's down at the bottom of your body. So you got to kind of get that foot up. Like a lot of times I'll sit against a wall and elevate my foot and let it completely flush out you know when you're a kid and you kind of hold your hand and somebody pushes all the blood out of your hand you ever do that one no it's like this trick where somebody holds your your wrist

your arteries so no blood's going in you push all the hand all the blood out and then you let it go and it's like a little spider web feels like if somebody goes like that it would feel like a spider web i did do that when i was a kid yeah so i just forgot about i just kind of imagined that's what i was doing with my foot up and like oh okay all the blood's getting out of my foot now and um uh but did you like research whether there's something that accelerates bone healing or you can use magnets like some magnets yes some people believe magnets help increase the circulation and thus the the especially a rotating magnet because it kind of creates a force field around your foot really yeah supposedly i mean around the magnets but is this like are these legit people or these like these are like theories healers i'm a healer an

energy healer well i'm just saying what i've heard people right so the first time i broke my foot uh a guy a chiropractor guy i had gone to he's like just when you go to sleep it's not going to hurt you just put it on your foot and i was actually competing uh five weeks after i broke that foot so i don't know if it helped or not but i just asleep and it was near my foot and maybe it helped. I don't know. It takes six weeks for a bone to heal, right? Doesn't it? When you're young in particular. It takes four weeks and then it takes two more weeks for the calcium to properly fill in. So like the, if you take an x-ray after four weeks, it'll still look like there's a hole, like a break there. But apparently the bone has sutured itself back, but the calcium has not filled in to make it totally strong.

That's what I was told by my doctor on this last one because I asked every question possible. Why does it still look broken? Why is it? And he was telling me, you know, it's not until you get enough blood flow and then it's healed. And then it's once there's the proper blood flow in the bone, then you get the calcium coming back in. The only thing that I've heard that really is supposed to accelerate healing is the hyperbaric chamber.

Did you try that at all? Yeah, which I didn't do. I had one sort of at hand in Hawaii I could have gone to, but I didn't. I know that Uriah Faber used that a lot after he fought Jose Aldo. Aldo kicked the shit out of his leg, and his leg was really badly swollen. It was horrible. Did he break the bone? No, he didn't break the bone, but it was so bad.

It was like his left leg was literally twice the size and purple. I've seen the fight and heard you talking. There it is right there. There's a photo of it. Yeah, and in the fight you're talking about, look at the color on his leg. It was so nasty. That's hideous. That was Aldo when he was in

his prime and he didn't see those kicks you couldn't see his kicks coming he was just like he doesn't even load up it's just there god that's probably right afterwards it must have felt broken it feels fucking horrible just to get hit once man i mean uriah is so tough to just take that over and over and over again like he did. Can you check those? I mean, can you turn into them a little? The problem is when you get hit, just getting hit once by a guy who's really good, like a Peter Ertz or someone who's like a really good leg kicker, they hit you once and you're not even going to lift your leg upright. Well, think of a Charlie horse a guy gives you in school when you're a kid.

Now, how bad that is? It's probably 10 times that. It's way worse than 10 times bad. Yeah, whatever it is. Ernesto Hoost is probably one of the greatest leg kickers. Not probably. Definitely one of the greatest leg kickers of all time. And there's a video called The Perfect Leg Kick by Ernesto Hoost.

And it just shows you a compilation of him landing leg kicks on people. And you just see they're like, ah. You see their leg buckle. And he would, with him, he would whip it down. Like he had this. Angled it. Yeah, he's a long, tall guy. And his technique was just perfect.

Oh, no. There's video of him. He was so good. Watch his left kick and then left hook rather and then the right leg kick. The way he would do it. Yeah, because you're covering up top and you don't maybe even see it, huh? Look at this, though. Bing, whap.

Down. Just the whip into it. He was so good, man. He was so fucking good. Yeah. And he would always do it left hook to the body and then right leg kick afterwards. Ricardo Arona is a buddy of mine. Oh, you know Ricardo? I know Ricardo pretty well.

Is he a surfer? Yeah, he surfs. A lot of Brazilian surfers. Most of these guys surf, man. But who did he kick? Rampage or somebody in the lower leg? I think Vondrele, I don't know, back in the Pride days. And I think he broke someone's lower leg or something. Oh, sure.

He was the victim of the worst slam I've ever seen in my life. Well, he told me. He's like, I don't know why I didn't grab the leg. Yeah. And the thing I didn't realize, because I had watched the fight before, and I didn't pick this up. I wasn't very well-versed at that time in watching fights. But he goes, Kelly, you know, the thing was I put him to sleep in the fight before that.

And I let him go. And I told the ref, he's sleeping, he's sleeping. And he goes, and then he woke back up. And the ref kind of, when you go watch it, the ref touched him and goes, okay, keep fighting. Yeah, what did he catch him with, a triangle or something like that earlier? He caught him with some kind of a triangle, yeah. I don't remember. No, it wasn't a triangle.

It was a guillotine or something? Might have been a guillotine. They were on the ground. Yeah. So. Yeah, he like, or maybe knocked him out. Might have been like. No, I think, I thought he put him to sleep or something.

I don't know if it was, anyways. Yeah, but then Rampage woke up. Yeah. And then kept fighting. And the ref's like, oh, go ahead. Yeah, well, pride was crazy. Yeah. They would have let you fight to the death.

I went to, was it a K-1? I watched Kitty Yamamoto and Hoyler fight. Oh, wow. I had run into Hoist the night before. I just saw him at a bar. And he's like, what's up? And I'm like, oh, I'm leaving. I'm going to fly out tomorrow. He goes, no, you've got to come to my brother's fight. So I went to the

fight and then Hoyler got knocked out, man. It was hard to watch. Who did he fight? Hoyler fought Kid Yamamoto? Oh, that's right. That's when Hoyler was trying. 2005. Yeah, he was getting involved in MMA and he really didn't have any striking. Yeah, he was out cold for a couple minutes I was like Did they just offer him a shitload of money? Like why did he decide to take that? I know I I had never met Hoyler at the time

He fought him he fought a bunch of people Sakuraba Which is really crazy and Sakuraba had him in a Kimura with his arm Way behind his back and they stopped the him in a kimura with his arm way behind his back and they stopped the fight rather than let him get his arm broken yeah because he wasn't tapping yeah but he was like i'm really flexible like i wasn't gonna tap like i can i can do that yeah i see some of these yogis i follow this guy this yogi guy and i think this guy named uh and I think this guy named Goku La Condra or something and he puts these poses up and I think if this guy did jujitsu,

there's no way somebody could tap him out because he's doing these craziest, I don't know how you put your, I've never seen somebody put their body in these contortionist positions and you just wonder if somebody who's a real true contortionist, if they knew jujitsu and how to escape things, if they could ever really get tapped with like arms.

I'm sure necks or guillotines or whatever. What do you got here, Jamie? Oh, there was a guy. I thought you were showing us something. There's a guy named Ray who was, oh, Jesus. This guy. Yeah. Look at this guy.

Wow, that's insane. Did you follow this guy? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's insane. Well, he does these poses where he's balancing on his elbow, and then the rest of his body is in these poses. It's insane, these hand poses and stuff. Whoa, look at that one.

Go above that right there on the far right. Jamie, yeah, that one. When he's on one hand. It's amazing. That's fucking nuts, man. Yeah, this kind of stuff. And the strength and the amount of time you had to take to learn these things. It's like, it's, I mean, that's a sort of a martial art in itself.

Oh yeah. Well, um, there's a guy who's a famous jujitsu guy who once said that yoga is a martial art that you do against yourself. Yeah. That's a quote. There's a, my friend Ray is a, uh, he was a lead singer of a band, Ray Capo. He was a lead singer of some punk band and then became a yogi. And we used to call him Yoga Ray.

And he would come to 10th Planet and he could move in ways. You're like, what the fuck are you doing, man? His body was so, he had so much dexterity and flexibility, it was impossible to, like, hold him in positions. Yeah. Like, he just could move so well. You're like, wait, you're two belts below me, but I can't pin you? Well, he was actually a very high-ranking guy, too.

Oh, was he? He was really good at jiu-jitsu. Well, that's scary, too, right? He had this crazy, and he also had amazing breath work. Like, he never got tired. Like his cardio was incredible, but it was all because of his breathing techniques. Yeah. Hickson would work on a lot of breathing stuff.

Yeah, yeah. He was like, I've known Hickson quite a long time, and he always talks about that. You know, when you breathe through your nose and how you calm your heart. Yeah. Yeah, panic breathing through your mouth is what they would call it. Yeah. You know, when you panic breathe. Yeah.

You know, most people in their tires are like, ah, ah, ah. But he was always about control, controlling your breath. Yeah, and he was like, you know, prior to Wim doing his thing and becoming sort of well-known, you know, Hickson would go sit in cold, you know, ice-cold streams and just breathe real calm through the nose and control the temperature. Yeah, that's in that movie Choke. He's in a glacial river. Yeah. And he's just sitting neck deep.

Yeah. And everybody else just dips their foot and then like, fuck this. And he's in there freezing cold water just loving it. Yeah, he's a fascinating guy. And he was really the first guy that sort of introduced martial artists to the power of yoga. Because he was the best. That stomach work he can do, you know? Yeah.

And it's like, it's freaky. It's crazy. Yeah, real freaky. Have you watched those videos? Yeah, we've played that. It's from the movie Choke. Yeah, that's right. What is that called?

Fire breathing or something? Breath of fire? There's like a word for that kind of breathing. It's probably more specific because sometimes you'll go to a class and they'll go, okay, breath of fire. Right. That's just like that. But yeah, he could pull his stomach in and move it side to side in some weird way. Yeah, he said like he could use every muscle in his body individually.

Yeah. Like move it independent of other muscles. That's a weird one. He also loved surfing. Loved individually. Yeah. Like move it independent of other muscles. That's a weird one. You also love surfing. Love surfing. Yeah. I've given boards to Hickson for a long time. Really?

Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah, it's amazing how many jujitsu guys love surfing. Yeah, there's endless. Is it just because of Rio and Rio and it's like just a surf place? Yeah, it's like they all sort of did jujitsu and sort of played soccer and surf.

They're all on the beach, so they're kind of doing these things and some volleyball with their feet, whatever you call that thing. Right, right, right. What is that? I don't know. But the slams are sick.

It's crazy. I posted a video of these guys in Thailand that were doing that. They were playing like volleyball, a version of volleyball with their feet. And it's fucking wild, man. It's like the ultimate hacky sack. Yeah, it's the craziest shit.

Like the dexterity they have with their feet where they're whacking the ball over. And then the other guy on the other side is whacking it back. And it's like they're catching it with their foot. Oh, look at this. Yeah. Look at the angles they get.

Yeah. I mean, the flexibility too. And these guys are really close to each other too. Yeah. There must be some good fails, like kicks in the face. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure there's a lot of that. What's it called? Asian Games. This is Koreans.

Boom. Look at that kick. Oh my god, that's insane. And then you have to fall in your hands, and I hope you don't break your wrists. I mean, you're falling from five, six feet up. I wonder if they got kind of a padded floor, like a mat on dojo. This is pretty impressive stuff. But, Jamie, see if you find that video that I posted on my Instagram page.

I reposted somebody else posting it. And it's fucking bananas. Because these guys are using this little shitty ball in the jungle. And just the ability that they have with their feet is just out of this world. It's fucking bananas because these guys are using this little shitty ball in the jungle. Yeah. And just the ability that they have with their feet is just out of this world. You ever hear of a guy named Sir Donald Bratt? Gosh, I forget his name. Bradman, I believe it was.

He's the best cricket player of all time. No. Best cricketer of all time. So he grew up in Australia, kind of an outback. And I guess from what I heard, there wasn't many people around. And he used to play, he would take a stick, just a random stick, and he would hit a ball against a corrugated, curved wall, corrugated aluminum, you know, one of those kind of bended walls. And they use for roofing. And so the ball would just bounce off at all these different angles. And his hand-eye coordination became, like, you know,

as good as you could possibly ever have because it was, like, his fun thing to do. Yeah, here it is. Check these guys out. Look at this crazy shit. I saw you post this, yeah. Look at this. Off the head.

I mean, and it looks like these perfect shots, but they keep firing it back at each other. Look at that. Off the head. Fucking madness. And it sounds hard. It sounds, but they keep firing it back at each other. Look at that. Off the head. Fucking madness. And it sounds hard. It sounds like a coconut or something, you know? Right.

It sounds like they made it out of like a rock and some fucking duct tape. Oh, how was that one? How was that kick? That was a straight up martial arts kick. It was like a push kick. A push kick, but a roundhouse kick at the same time. Like a push crescent kick. This guy. I mean push crescent kick. This guy...

I mean... And the block. If you can get good at doing that, I guess it is Thai, because those are Thai writing, but if you can get good at that, man, I mean, there's certain guys that just, when you see them in Muay Thai,

they have, oh, that's what it's called? Burmese. Sipak Takraw. It's Burmese. Oh, okay. Soc soccer and volleyball put together yeah those guys would be awesome fighters there's certain guys that have just insane leg dexterity that you see in martial arts like do you know who san chai is you ever see san chai fight yeah yeah san chai's leg kicks would be insane yeah well he's everything he's he's there's a famous highlight reel of him where he throws this fake knee off the right and

then jumping roundhouse kicks this guy in the face and KOs him with his left. And it's just the ability that he has to place his foot anywhere he wants. His dexterity is just out of this world. His range would just be otherworldly, right? Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, there's just left. There he is. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's not Sen Ch Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, there's just a lot. There he is. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's not San Chai. No, that's a younger guy. And he was, San Chai was talking about, they were asking about Conor, fighting Conor. You ever see that thing? Yeah. He's like, no, I'd kill this guy. He'd fuck him up.

He'd fuck him up so bad. Like, he'd probably let it go. Okay, kick me a few times and let's trade. Let's trade a couple. Well, he's so hard to hit, too. San Chai is just so elusive. Why wouldn't someone like him end up in a UFC fight? Because he doesn't know how to fight on the ground.

I mean, that's all it is. Wouldn't they just pin him with another stand-up guy? If they were smart, yeah, that would be the smart thing to do. You're not going to put CM Punk against another ground guy, are you? Right. Well, CM Punk. Yeah, that would be a disaster. CM Punk, that whole thing was,

everybody's like, I could do it. You know, you watch CM Punk, you're like, fuck, I'll fucking fight. Like, they won't give you those fights. CM Punk's probably a lot tougher than the average guy anyway. I mean, I don't know. I don't know fighting, but, you know.

Not the average fighter. No, not the average fighter, but maybe the average guy in a bar, right? CM Punk is a real nice guy, and I don't. But maybe the average guy in a bar, right? CM Punk is a real nice guy, and I don't want to say anything bad about him. Because, I mean, the guy gave it his all. He really did. Totally, totally dedicated.

And he ate some humble pie. And he was totally cool about it. He was. And he was cool about it the first time, and he was cool about it the second time. He's a real good guy. But he doesn't have what I would call talent. Yeah, the skill. He just moves wrong.

Yeah. You can see him against a Mickey Gall. He came in and just went, you know, over the top. And he was probably so nervous, too, never being in that situation of a real fight. I mean, he's been in front of the crowds. That was a nightmare. That Mickey Gall fight was so ridiculous. Mickey Gall's fucking good.

He's really good. He's fucking good. And to have a guy like CM Punk that doesn't have a back... It's not like Brock Lesnar. Like, Brock Lesnar came to the UFC. He was a national champion as a wrestler. He's a fucking gorilla as a human being. Just a freak athlete. CM Punk is a regular guy. Like, he's not...

There's nothing freaky about him. He doesn't have crazy power or weird speed. You don't see him and go, that guy looks super scary. Right, right. For a guy his size. Well, I mean, there's. You don't see him and go, that guy looks super scary. Right, right. For a guy his size, I think. Well, I mean, there's guys that don't look, like, Sanjay himself does not look like a freak. That guy is freaky.

Yeah, he's so freaky. But when you see him, he looks like an athlete, but he doesn't look like, you know, it's not like Roy Jones Jr. in his prime or something. When you see him, you just go, Jesus, look at this fucking guy. He was just, I mean, he was just I mean he's just so good but a guy like CM Punk he didn't have a background and he tried martial arts when he was like 36 so he had no background not really in the even wrestling background no he didn't even wrestle

it was all theatrical wrestling it was all entertainment you know you would think though that those guys would even even the theatrical wrestling they would go and work on the skill like day in day out i mean that's all you have to be as a wrestler this is such a difference between working on the skill day in day out and then working on the skill when someone doesn't want you to do it to them yeah that's the thing and then when they're trying to do things to you like just fucking you up yeah and there's nothing you could do about it like you really're mouth breathing. You're mouth breathing. Yeah, everything's wrong. But, I mean, I'm sure he made a ton of money and he tested himself.

The guy, I mean, give the guy some credit. He really did test himself. Yeah, I think it was a good thing for Dana and everyone to see too. Like, oh, okay, we're not going to do that. Let's not put someone in that position. Let's not put someone in that position. Let's not put ourselves in that position. But they were talking about like Logan Paul, like Logan Paul fighting the UFC and he was like, Logan Paul get killed. Logan Paul is fucking way better, way better than CM Punk.

Logan Paul like actually knows how to fight. He had a boxing match with that other YouTube guy, but I was watching him throw punches in that fight. I'm like, this is a guy who actually knows how to punch. His punches look good. He gassed out, he got a little tired. First real fight like that, but he has a background in wrestling, and he actually can punch.

I was watching him punch this guy. I was like, that's a guy who actually knows how to throw punches. He knows distance and timing. He knows distance and timing. He knows how to connect. He doesn't look like Canelo Alvarez or anything crazy, but he looks like a guy who can actually punch. Well, you can give him a break on that.

But Dana's like, have him fight in the UFC, he would get killed. Like, you had fucking CM Punk fight. This guy's way better than him. He really has a background in fighting. How does that dynamic work with you and Dana where you know with something like that that could be seen if somebody's a little triggered or a little sensitive

they might get a little bit angry at you saying something like that Dana's the easiest going guy ever with that kind of shit he doesn't give a fuck look me and him have been friends for like almost 20 years we've been friends for like almost 20 years. We've been friends for a long time. And I've been working for the UFC.

I mean, I started working for the old company in 97. I started working for them long ago. Yeah. And then the new company, I started working for them in 2002. And I was friends with Dana before that. It's just he knows my heart's in the right place. But he also knows that if I wasn't honest, nobody would listen to me.

Yeah, that's the thing I enjoy watching the fights and listening to. You're critical in a fair way with people, I think. I try to be. Yeah, when you critique what somebody's doing, it's like if they listen the right way, it's probably going to help them. Well, I definitely don't say things that I don't know what I'm talking about, and I don't say things that I don't mean.

But if I see something, and I've watched, I mean, I've called at least 1,000 fights. I don't know how many fights. Probably more. Probably more, yeah. And I've seen some of the greatest fights of all time up live, in close, right next to the cage. I've seen a lot of shit. So if I'm saying something, it's probably because it's right or I mean it. But if I don't know what I'm talking about, it's one of the good things about having Daniel Cormier there or Dominic Cruz.

If there's some aspect of fighting that maybe I'm not exactly sure about, I can defer to them. And I could say, what's so important about getting the underhook here? And then Cormier could go off about why this, and then you go, oh, I get that. Okay, I see. That was a big thing in the fight with Stipe Miocic and Daniel Cormier.

Dominic Cruz was explaining how important it was that Cormier kept pummeling. He kept shifting positions and pummeling for underhooks. And that was one of the reasons why he was able to land that big right hand. Because he was never static. He also had to wear some to get in there, too, didn't he? I mean, he was like right in Stipe's face.

And Stipe was like, I mean, that was such a great match. Even though, obviously, it didn't last very long. But, I mean, he took a few on the chin real hard to get in there. For Stipe, that's got to drive him fucking crazy. He's been tweeting a lot. Why wouldn't he get a rematch straight away? I mean, there is even supposedly talk of McGregor getting a rematch when he got pretty much handled everywhere. I don't think there's real talk of McGregor getting a rematch.

I think the real smart money is on Tony Ferguson fighting Khabib next. That's the smart money. I hope that happens. I really hope that happens. Dana's been saying that. I 100% believe that Tony Ferguson deserves... I don't think Tony Ferguson should have ever been stripped. I think he should still be the interim champion. I mean, the guy fell while he was doing press and tore his knee

apart. Six months later, comes back and destroys Anthony Pettis in a spectacular performance. What a fight. Woo! But Pettis in a spectacular performance what a fight but Pettis was great too fuck yeah he was Tony's just a warrior I mean he's cardio never runs out he throws weird stuff with everything you can

throw he apparently got upset that we called him a weirdo like I guess he's sensitive he apparently got upset I said he was a brilliant weirdo like when he was, I guess he's sensitive. He apparently got upset. I said he was a brilliant weirdo. Like when he was on his way to the cage, but I meant that a hundred percent complimentary. The guy wears ankle weights at the weigh-ins.

Yeah. Like, I don't even know what, I mean, he uses a wing chunk dummy. He sets up his, all of his camp, like his training equipment.

He sets it up himself. He puts the mats down. He builds his own like heavy bag hangers. He puts, he puts up like chin up bars, all that shit. He does it himself. He puts the mats down. He builds his own heavy bag hangers. He puts up chin-up bars, all that shit. He does it himself. I think weirdo sounds like it's unfamiliar to the average training regimen. Yes. That's what I meant.

I meant it complimentary. I'm a huge fan of that guy. I am too. I think he's awesome. I also think that he is the toughest test for Khabib because of his cardio and because of his versatility. Because he could fight really well off his back. I mean, he submitted Kevin Lee off his back to win the title yeah he's got a fantastic darse choke and his ability to hold guys in his guard and recover if he gets clipped I mean he's he's the most dangerous guy at lightweight for Khabib I think in my opinion yeah he just never

gets fucking tired it doesn't even make sense. And Eddie trains him. He's one of Eddie's students. Eddie says he's never seen anything like it. He said this guy workouts six hours a day, full clip. Everybody else is exhausted. He keeps going. They're doing sprints up the hill.

Tony laps everybody and keeps going. His cardio is off the charts. I wonder if that's a Mexican thing, too. I think there's a lot of Mexicans that have amazing cardio. The Mayans. I don't know what it is, man. It's a running thing for sure, but if you go back to Julio Cesar Chavez. Maybe he eats tons of maca.

Maybe. I think, I mean, Gilbert Melendez said that once too, that it's a Mexican thing, this cardio, because Gilbert's always been known for his crazy cardio. I really wonder if there's certain like, certain ethnicities that have an advantage or at least a better starting point. And then it's all hard work from there. Yeah, maybe there's some genetic thing you can prove from the way the blood holds oxygen. Diego Sanchez, he's another one.

Diego, yeah. Insane cardio. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's a fun thing to think about. I mean, you go back to boxing in particular. I mean, how many great boxers had fantastic cardio from Mexico? You know? Chavez in particular.

Julio Cesar Chavez would just wear guys down. The volume of his punching. It would just never stop. Just constantly on you. Constantly moving forward. Bobbing and weaving and throwing shots. Sometimes as an athlete, like if you're a boxer, even if you didn't have that, you'd have to dig deep and pretend you had that. You know what I mean?

Because that starts wearing on the other guy like, this guy's never going to stop. Pressure. Yeah. I had a situation once. I was super winded. I was really tired in a heat surfing. That's a guy in Tahiti.

And this heat ended up sort of being like a world title heat for me. And I was losing with like two minutes to go, and I ended up in this paddle battle against a guy. And he's a good paddler and pretty fit guy. And we're like head-to-head. And what happens, whoever gets back out first deemed by the judges gets priority over the next wave they can have whatever the way they want and with two minutes three minutes left in a heat surfing there's that's not a lot of time to get a wave if if the wave comes you got to be the guy that has priority for it and we're paddling

and i could feel him just for half a second kind of let up on his paddle like okay i'm getting ahead on this guy and as soon as he did, I paddled harder. And I was like, you know, to show him like I got more. And he gave up. And I got it. And then I got, then I needed like a, you know, we score out of 10 points. And I needed like a 9. I got like a 9.4 with 30 seconds to go or something.

It was just, but it was, I didn't have that in me. Like physically, I was like, I want to quit too, you know. But I was like, I got to poker face this guy and make him think I got more, you know. And I really didn't have that in me. Like physically, I was like, I want to quit too, you know? But I was like, I got to poker face this guy and make him think I got more, you know? And I really didn't. It was just that choice. Like, I don't care. I'm going to get out there with the lungs burning and I'll feel bad for 30 seconds, whatever. Yeah.

You know? But sometimes I would imagine boxers try or MMA guys. For sure. I don't know. Sometimes you can't bluff that, but. Right. Sometimes you can't bluff it. But yeah, for sure it does come up where there's an edge one way or the other.

That's a big thing with Ferguson, that pressure that he puts on guys. Yeah, he just never gets slow. You know, if you watch the Gustafson-John Jones fight, too, John late in that fight, you know, there could have been some doubt in some people who's winning that fight or whatever his close fight. But it looked like John just started pouring it. He dug in.

It was three to one strikes in the last couple rounds. Yeah. The last rounds won him that fight. And by all accounts, John wasn't in shape. By all accounts, John really didn't train for that fight and didn't take Gustafson seriously and kind of half-assed his training camp and still pulled it off in the championship rounds. That guy is unbelievable. And they're going to rematch.

They are, right? Yeah. January? Yep. The December card, it's January New Year's Eve. Basically, I think it's the— December 29th, I think. 29th, is that what it is?

Fantastic fight. Because I think Gustafsson's way better now. You see, when Gustafsson knocked out Glover Teixeira, I mean, he just looked like— it was like a video game combination. Yeah. So I think that fight is, that's going to be one for the ages. And for John to be his comeback fight, and for Gustafson to be the rematch

he's asking for forever, and it will be for the light heavyweight title. They're going to strip Cormier. Are they? Yeah. Well, because you're going to fight heavyweight, aren't you? Yeah. I mean, he's fighting Derek Lewis in December. Isn't that a weird fight? Well, he's number two., isn't he? Yeah. I mean, he's fighting Derek Lewis in December. Isn't that a weird fight? Well, he's number two. He's number two.

I mean, if you look at the rankings, it's not. If you look at Derek Lewis is obviously unorthodox. But he was just getting mauled in that last fight. It doesn't matter when you win. I guess it doesn't matter when you get that last punch in. Well, it's still the power that he has can change the course of every fight. And I'm not talking, that guy would murder me with his finger, you know. Why am I even talking about this?

Well, he's the number two contender. But I'm just a fan. I mean, he really was the number two contender headed into that fight and then wins. I think that guy was the dark horse of the division. And so for him to knock out Alexander like that, I mean, that was a giant knockout. And to get his ass kicked for three rounds. I mean that's a jet was a giant knockout yeah, and to get his ass kicked for three rounds respect to Alexander though yeah for for

Staying in the pocket fighting out with 30 seconds to go when he's clearly winning that fight well He got hurt he got hurt a couple times in that fight. Did he just yeah? Yeah, there was one time where he lost his mouthpiece, and he tried to give it to Derek Yeah, that's right. I think he was on queer Street I didn't I don't think he knew what the fuck was going on because Derek hits so hard. He does. Even if you don't get knocked out, you're probably like,

oh, Jesus. Even a glancing blow, right? Yeah, you're probably like, what in the fuck? I mean, think about the way he knocked out Travis Brown, the way he knocked out Gonzaga, and Derek would be even better

if he didn't have a bad back. Derek's got a fucked up back. So why does he want to, that's three fights in six months? What was the last fight with in Ghana? Well, he fought in Ghana and that was the fight where it was just like what the fuck that was barely a fight It was like five punches thrown the entire as a fan watching it. I feel like see one against in Ghana

Yeah, yeah Did you feel like that was more on Ngannou than it was on Derek yes I don't know I always I felt that way

well Ngannou didn't do anything and Derek won you know he didn't win by much but I mean he was basically waiting for Ngannou

you know you gotta be careful with Ngannou because Ngannou punches so fucking hard but Stipe fucked that dude's head up he really did

Stipe just fucked his head up yeah he really did stipe just fucked his head up yeah he yeah that was nobody's even talking about in gano anymore that's what's weird in gana before the stipe fight everybody's like this is the second coming excited for that thing oh my god when he knocked alistair over him into another dimension everybody was like holy shit yeah that was that was like that looked like a career-ending punch. It did. That was like, I'll break your neck with this thing. Meanwhile, Overeem's ready to fight again.

Didn't he fight again after that against Curtis Blades? I feel like he did. I feel like he fought Curtis Blades after that and lost. And got stopped in that fight, too. Yeah, I mean, look, Ngannou hits fucking hard. Like, harder than anybody has ever fought. I mean, he's... But not when he's mouth-breathing in the fifth round, right?

It didn't matter because he gassed himself out in the first, and he really wasn't prepared for a full game. He really didn't think it was going to go to the ground, from what I heard. He thought I'd catch this guy and whatever. That's what I think he thought. I think he thought he hit so hard that Stipe was going to be in front of him. He was going to hit Stipe. He was going to be the heavyweight champ.

I was going to ask you, do you have your absolute dream job? I mean, you do a few things, but you get to talk UFC. You're a black belt under Eddie, right? Yeah. You've kind of found the perfect job for yourself. It's a great job.

I can tell when you talk about it, you just love it so much. I love surfing. I live, eat, and breathe surf. Every day I wake up and the first thing I do is look at where's the waves in the world? Do can tell when you talk about it, you just love it so much. Like, I love surfing. You know, I just, I live, eat, and breathe surf. Every day I wake up and the first thing I do is look at where's the waves in the world. Do you think when you retire you'll do commentary? Maybe a little bit, yeah. Maybe a little bit. But I don't want to, I don't really want a job.

When I retire, you know, I've been, look, I've been on a pro tour pretty much since I was 19. I'm 46. I took about three years off, but I would still compete a little bit those years. What is the high end of the age limit in terms of when a guy can really compete right now? No one's ever been my age on tour. Really? Yeah. I think the next oldest guy on tour is 38, and he's retiring this year.

Wow. When I got on tour, the oldest guy was 28 years old. Holy shit. Yeah. It was like there was a real... I would say in the 80s, there wasn't like, it didn't look like you could make some money if you were a top five guy. But it didn't look like you could have like this crazy career. So guys weren't thinking longevity. They're like, let's go have a freaking good time.

Right. Travel around the world and get paid for it for a few years. And then we'll figure out a job after. Or maybe we'll have enough money to kind of live real humbly. What is the difference between how you prepare and other guys is it your diet strength and conditioning like what is it um i don't overexert myself very much so my my training aside from surfing isn't a lot um i retain i feel like i retain enough strength to be good at what i need to so to burn yourself So you don't burn yourself out. I don't burn myself out, you know, because like the oldest people in the world weren't

athletes, you know, they're kind of people who didn't burn themselves out too much. So my theory on longevity is like, don't overdo it. I don't need to necessarily be over-trained for what I do. A lot of the skill, a lot of the, the, the winning that I do competitively is from a skill. It's not so much from being super strong, having crazy cardio. It's making a choice about which wave, how I'm going to approach and ride that wave. And I have to get two scores every 30 minutes when I compete. So it's like, I got this 30 minute window I need to be ready for. I don't need to be like in crazy, crazy shape. So what is it that held other guys back in the past?

I think there's a number of factors. I think you have to naturally be really competitive. Like when you were born, in your home, somehow you had to, maybe you needed something to prove. You know, I was kind of like, you know, growing up, I sort of looked back at it and kind of laughed. Like maybe I couldn't get the girl I liked cause she liked an older guy or, you know,

I didn't have, we didn't really have any money in my family. So I wanted to make some money. I had an older brother who kind of picked on me, but I hung out with him and played football with his friends that were all three years older than me. So I had to be strong, you know,

I had to be tough and fast. I had to be smart. That's the case with a lot of guys, older brothers, older brothers that they couldn't really compete with. Like, this motherfucker. And so every night they would just eat away at them. Yeah, I think it did.

And there was always that. My brother and I, I think we have a pretty good relationship now. And I don't think he would disagree with me that we kind of didn't get along for 20 years or more. We sort of hate each other. That's a long time. But from the time we were teenagers, we kind of hate each other that's a long time yeah but you know from the time we were teenagers we kind of grew apart you know i i sort of started doing real well competing on the world stage and he sort of stagnated and we just you know people and families have different uh dynamics

you know each child has a different dynamic whether the first i'm in the middle of three all boys our younger brother was was six years younger than me, so he was kind of out of the loop. When we were teenagers, he's still a little kid, so we weren't really competing with him. But he saw us competing against each other in maybe a few ways, and it kind of turned him off to surfing. So he didn't start surfing until he was a teenager.

Oh, wow. And when he did, he rode long boards, and we're both're both short boarders like you know more um competition kind of guys and he loved kind of the old throwback the 60s and 70s surfers on long boards or on single fins which is like not a modern board at all and um why would someone choose one or the other long boards or short boards yeah it's a it's a real different skill. Long boards are kind of easier to just get up and ride a wave. But the skill you have on a long board is more ballet than it is gym. It's not like big maneuvers.

It's more like gliding on the wave, looking like you're not trying hard. It's more of a dance, if you will than it is like a some kind of an athletic skill and you know shortboarding is just you know you're going for aerials and lots of different sort of fast maneuvers really riding in the pocket of the wave whereas longboarding you're looking for a different kind of you you ride a different kind of wave altogether you really don't most of the waves we ride for modern shortboarding and competition aren't waves you would ride on a longboard because they're too hollow they're too quick and fast and you can't fit a longboard in the same way so your brother just kind of took it up more for the fun of it and the aesthetic of it he literally was at the beach one day his story he was about 14 or 15 and

we always try to get him to surf and when he he was about 8 or 10, I took him surfing one day at our local break at Sebastian in Florida. And I pushed him on this wave, and he ate it and was underwater a long time. It kind of freaked him out. Not a long time. I mean, a long time for an 8-year-old, like maybe 10 seconds or 8 seconds, you know, when you're out of breath. A little freaky, like you don't know which way is up. And he kind of quit surfing. And then when he was like 14 or 15, he was at the beach.

And this guy, he really respected this kind of older guy. He's like, hey, I'm going to run somewhere. Will you watch my board? He had a longboard, and he said, will you watch my board? And Stephen said, oh, yeah, I'll watch it. And the guy said, you can go use it if you want. He paddled out and caught a few waves, and he just sort of fell in love with that minute with surfing.

And it was something unique for him because we didn't longboard. So it was like it was that beach life and thing we love, but it was different unique for him because we didn't longboard so it was like it was that beach life and thing we love but it was different you know right he got his own thing yeah yeah and then me and my brother we you know i got more and more into competition and getting sponsored and stuff and and he sort of he he just kind of started fading out of doing competition full-time and stuff and and uh and uh then when i was a teenager when i was in a freshman in high school this guy moved into town uh this kid named drew and he had sort of got kicked out of a couple schools elsewhere and got himself in some trouble and when he came to came over to the beach he was kind of in these inland schools but he was good at football good at baseball he was kind of a really good athlete

uh he became the quarterback on our football team he was a baseball player all this kind of stuff so he was he was a total jock not a surfer at all and somehow he and i became best buddies and uh you know i liked i liked all the sports i grew up playing football basketball baseball a little bit of tennis. And he and I, ultimately where we got to was he sort of became my big brother competitively. And we used to battle, and it didn't matter whose feelings got hurt. We competed at absolutely everything from horseshoes to bowling to pool. On my birthday, every year on my birthday, we made it a pact where we'd go play every kind of game we could possibly and we'd keep a tally of who won what.

It was putt-putt golf. It was go-karts. It was basketball. It was shuffleboard. It was literally everything. Everything we could think of. And we'd just keep a tally. And we used to bet in the millions of dollars.

Really? Well, yeah, of course. So, you know, at some point, somebody owed somebody hundreds of millions of dollars. But you never paid? No, of course. I mean, when it came down to, like, actual money, then it was like five bucks. And at one point, he got really into horseshoes. And he called me out one day.

And he's like, you meet me at the beach. We're going to play some horseshoes. And I called me out one day, and he's like, you meet me at the beach. We're going to play some horseshoes. I'm like, all right. I'm like, but I'm not playing you unless we're betting some money, like some real money. He's like, all right, bring some money. And at the end of the day, he ended up owing me about $160. He's like, you fucking tell my wife I owe you, I'll fucking kill you, and I'll never pay you.

He's like, I don't have the money. I can't pay you that. He's like, so I'll pay you like 20 bucks here and there as we go. But Drew used to, he beat me at everything. He was better than me at basically everything. And so it was like that, a ping pong too on my 18th birthday. I like to call it the night of upsets because it was the night that Mike Tyson lost to Buster Douglas. And it was the night of February 10th my birthday's in the 11th on the 11th but they were in Tokyo so they were on the 11th fighting Tyson

lost Drew shows up in my house with a ping pong table and he says it was like my birthday gift all my friends bought me this ping pong table my mom my three buddies and Drew beat me 17 straight games in a row. And I started crying. And I think he ended up letting me finally win the last game so we could go to bed. It was like 2 in the morning. And, man, I've never been, I've really honestly never been so frustrated and just outright beaten by somebody at anything. And he just owned, I just knew he owned me. And he would just tell me where he's going to hit the ball on the table and beat me ping pong is a serious skill like the people that are really good at it oh follow you should go on pongfinity on instagram and watch these things you guys do

it's out of hand i'm scared yeah ping pong is one of those games where i was like if i ever got into that i think it would like eat your life yeah it seems like there's so many levels all night yeah you know we, and we sucked. We thought we were pretty good. We'd use soap and water to make our paddles a little stickier. We thought we had all this spin and stuff. What the fuck? Look at these guys are playing three-way.

That is crazy. I mean, that's not the kind of three-way you like. It's a strange sport. And they're just smashing the ball. This is crazy. way you like. It's a strange sport. And they're just smashing the ball. This is crazy. Oh, whoa, behind the back. Is there money in ping pong?

I don't know. I think there are in China or something. I don't think in the States there really is. That's the same thing with pool now. But I don't know. I don't see some white guy going to China and beating all those guys. These guys these guys are masters they don't move you know they just their their wrist moves right there's no dancing you know yeah it seems like one of those sports where there's just there's a whole there's a whole world out there that you're not aware of

of like elite killer ping pong players yeah like most people aren't even thinking about it yeah it's funny you know it's funny we could talk about ping pong and it Yeah. Like most people aren't even thinking about it. Yeah. It's funny. You know? It's funny that you said. We could talk about ping pong and it's like everyone can kind of join in. Like if I ever talk about fighting, people are shut your ass, man. You stay in your lane. But, you know, it's like I'm a fan of ping pong too. I'll talk about ping pong.

That's a funny thing that stay in your lane thing. Like you're not allowed to have an opinion on things. Yeah. Yeah. So then why can we vote, you know, about somebody who's going to handle everything? You know? Why are not allowed to have an opinion on things yeah yeah so then why can we vote you know about somebody who's going to handle everything you know why are we allowed to can we only just vote about something that has to do with surfing or fighting is a weird one like people want you have for for some people like you have to know how to fight to be able to talk about fighting yeah they get real serious about that like you hear that about journalists like look

at this fucking guy probably never trained a day in his life. You know, they look at a guy and he's fat or tiny or whatever, and they just don't want to listen to anything that they say. But meanwhile, they could be an expert. Yeah. I mean, fight Roy Nelson. Yeah. Go have fun.

Have fun with that one. But it's... When I was a kid, I trained with Don the Dragon Wilson. Oh, did you really? Yeah, I did for about a year. I got a chance to spar him once. Did you? It was awesome.

Yeah, so to me, I'm such a fan of that guy. He was totally ambidextrous, wasn't he? Oh, yeah, he could fight any style. I mean, he also had that weird sideways stance where he had kickboxing skills, boxing skills, Muay Thai skills, but he also had a traditional karate and kung fu background. So he'd stand sideways on you. And you didn't know what was coming at you then, right? Yeah. No, he was awesome.

And I remember when he fought Dennis Alexio. Dennis Alexio was like a monster. He moved to the west side of Oahu and that was like all the news back in the 90s. Alexio? 80s or 90s, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, and he fucked Alexio up with leg kicks.

He was like one of the first guys that punished Alexio with leg kicks. He did a thing on YouTube about defense for self-defense for women. And they were saying like, yeah, he was part of this group. And they talked about like, you know, if you're going to teach a woman something, kick in the kick the leg because that's the biggest target, you know. It's not bad advice before jujitsu. Kick the balls. Yeah. But your legs carry you around.

I mean, that's the thing about a woman if a woman weighs 135 pounds she's walking around with 135 pounds carrying it like how how long could you walk on your hands yeah i mean i heard that brock lesnar can walk on his hands like a mile just kind of lesnar yeah really he's a freak like a legitimate freak he walks in his hands all around the gym yeah he should do it should do a video, like walking up the stairs. I had a buddy, a surf buddy from Santa Cruz. He unfortunately passed away. A guy named Barney, a good friend of all of ours.

And he used to do these surf video clips, and he would walk downstairs. Whoa. And then walk upstairs. And he could literally just walk anywhere on his hands. It was so cool to see. Well, I mean, I guess you would build it. it's all about how often you use it right you use your legs constantly you don't use your arms constantly but if you did and you built up over years of time i would imagine i mean there's obviously there's it can happen quick too you know i mean i started

doing hand actually right before i broke my foot i started when i was a kid i used to be able to pretty much walk endless on my hands. So were you walking on your hands while your foot was broken? No, but that week, I was like,

you know what? When I was a kid, I could walk for minutes at a time on my hands. I'm going to get back into that. So I started training that week.

Like, I just started doing handstands every day with my friend's daughter. Before you broke your foot? Right, the week I broke my foot. Wow.

Like, for the two weeks before I broke my foot. And I started, like, quickly I could feel the skill coming back, you know? I mean, I probably should have kept with it because then I could have walked around for a while and kept my foot. And I started, like, quickly I could feel the skill coming back, you know.

I mean, I probably should have kept with it because then I could have walked around for a while and kept my foot high. Right. No, but, I mean, my point is that, like, pretty quickly your body starts to attune to that thing. Like, I used to do push-ups on the back of my wrist. This buddy of mine who was into some martial arts, he's like, do wrist push-ups. What's the benefit of that?

He was just saying to strengthen your wrist. I don't know. He used to do it. But the first time I did it, it really hurt my wrists. And then after about a week of doing it, it didn't hurt my wrists anymore. Your body just kind of adjusts quickly. Adapt. Yeah. But, I don't know. I think I'm going to start

doing handstands and doing that Burmese volleyball thing. How long did it take? I mean, were you on crutches? Or were you in a wheelchair? Like, how long did it take before you were you on crutches or you in a wheelchair like how long did it take before you could actually walk uh after you broke your foot well i was walking a little too soon oh were you yeah how long i didn't i didn't break it i didn't displace the bones any but i mean i i actually rode i rode a couple waves like six weeks later no yeah why would you do that

well because we built this wave up like a up in your fresno we built a man-made wave and um are those a good way to learn yeah they well yeah they can be i mean it depends on how long the wave lasts and what size wave and how fast and all that kind of thing but our wave is pretty easy to learn on but our wave lasts on the low speed for a beginner it lasts like over a minute long that would seem to me that that would be a great way to just get your feet wet. Yeah. No pun intended. You should come up.

Is that it right there? Yeah, but that's not the low setting. Kelly's Wave. That's like the... That's the high setting? Yeah, this was... And this was actually... Where is that?

Is that a... It's like 40 minutes south of Fresno. Outside area? Yeah, it's a big... It used to be a ski lake so it's long narrow lake oh wow that is crazy yeah that's all man-made this is man-made that's so weird this isn't the newest version of it if you were to google uh if you were to search like um uh there was a contest called we had a couple contests we had one called the the surf ranch pro about six weeks

ago and that's we changed the wave since then and uh we remodeled we had to rebuild it but um anyways the reason i surfed was because we were having the first competition at this wave and i wanted to ride the first wave like i didn't wasn't going to compete i just like symbolically i wanted to ride the wave at the thing. So how does this work? What's making that wave? This is a foil, a wave foil, like in the back, it looks, sometimes you'll see in the back behind the wave, not there, but to the left side more, you would see this thing. It's a, it's basically a super inefficient boat hull and it pushes through the water. And so it's pushing water instead of planing on the water, like you would want a boat to. So it's pushing all the water sideways and it's

it's just this foil shape it's almost like the shape of a fin or a wing straight up and down in the water it's that blue thing in the back and it rides it's like a roller coaster and uh it gets pulled on a pulley system with a 4 000 horsepower engine engine. There's two of them, actually. Wow. One to go either direction. So you see, now they've got their back to the wave when they're riding. But the first few ways they showed. This is Stephanie Gilmore.

She's like six-time world champ. This is, that's me, obviously. This was just about six weeks ago in September. And so, yeah, I mean, I designed the technology with a scientist and then designed the actual reef bottom or concrete bottom that makes the wave break. Yeah, because this seems way more advanced than the ones that I've seen. Yeah, this is, it's a really advanced wave. It's actually longer than it needs to be also because at a fast speed, the wave's still like 45 seconds and your legs are fried.

This is Felipe Toledo, who's number two in the world right now. He's unbelievable. That's crazy. Super fast, great surfer. Where's he from? Brazil. A lot of surfers come from Brazil? All the new good guys are from Brazil.

It's like the fight game, you know. Wow. This is Gabriel Medina. That guy's incredible. He's unbelievable whoa and he's uh what fucking balance that's crazy that's called a shove it yeah um and i think that was a corrupt flip he did um super high tech moves but he gabriel medina's one-time world champ from a few years ago but i thought he was you know i thought he was just gonna win year after year after year after his first title.

I don't know if he got complacent or what happened. He and I aren't super close. How do they judge? It's subjective. That's probably the tough thing for our sport, but gymnastics is subjective, ice skating, that kind of thing. So it's not too dissimilar to that. So, you know, the judges are all good surfers,

relatively good surfers, maybe not ex-pros, but, you know, guys who know what is possible on a wave. And it's pretty easy for them to compare apples to oranges, a different person's skills over the other one. But it would be interesting in UFC, you know, if you had judges subjectively judging, not necessarily like who won the round or looking at strike counts,

but like whose style did I like? How fast and how much power did he have? How did he link his, you know, strikes together? There's definitely a subjective element to it, but unfortunately, unlike surfing, the UFC is not, the judges, it's not comprised of former fighters or people that really know a lot about martial arts. Which is wrong.

It's awful. Totally wrong. It's awful. I mean, some surfers really believe that the judges should just be ex-pros that were tour-level guys that make those calls. Seems like there's enough of those guys out there. There are maybe, but, you know, getting back to why, that kind of

leads me back to like you asked why guys didn't have the longevity like people get married have kids um have a life back home all that kind of stuff so you know i was sort of i went not quite the traditional route with all that stuff um so i had a lot more time focus dedication into what i was doing and i wanted to do it for a long time because I just love surfing. And, I mean, if I had my druthers every day, I'm going to wake up and go ride waves. Now, is there a point system that they score on? Yep, out of 10. Out of 10.

So it's like boxing. Not everybody gets a 9 if they lose that battle, you know. 10 is the max. 10 is max. But, I mean, more average you're seeing 3s and fours than you are eights and nines. Because, you know, it's just a certain wave and a certain skill set gets you up to that excellent category. So we consider eight and up excellent. And, you know, sort of six, five to eight is like really good.

to eight is like really good. And is there a lot of, uh, just debate about whether or not a, of a nine is, is, is accurate for someone's ride? Yeah. Yeah, there is. Well, if, if it's early, there's a lot to it, you know, like if it's early in a heat and a guy gets a nine or girl gets a nine, and then you think that there's a lot more that could have been done either on that day in those types of waves or on that wave specifically like some occasionally you see somebody get a 10 perfect ride as good as you can possibly do it's the ultimate you should

remember that wave forever kind of thing you know it's like the perfect knockout and but then they won't ride they'll kick off the wave when there's more to ride or they'll fall and they still get a 10 so like sometimes you'll see somebody get a really good score and you know a lot more could have been done they could have been deeper in that tube they could have been higher in that air they could have rotated they could have you know more they could in the air they could have ridden out like smoother they could have linked a couple different more difficult turns together added more variety so you you have to kind of like if anything scaled down i think as a judge

as opposed to scale up because then you if if you're surfing in really great waves which makes it easier to get a good score so like chopu and tahiti if you if you pull up um tahiti chopu t-e-a-h-U-P-O-O, contest 2014. So we had really unbelievable waves in this contest. Almost every wave looked like it could be a 10. Then it comes down to, like, how late did you drop in? How critical was it? How deep were you?

How did you maximize your time in there by slowing your speed? How much risk did you take? So even though the wave only lasted about five seconds there's a whole lot that can be condensed into that five seconds and did you wait for one of the biggest waves or did you take a smaller wave and take and go you know a little bit easier what is it like when one of those giant tubes crashes down on top of you um yeah so this is Gabe Medina um he ended up winning the contest um it's not super fun when you eat it. I could imagine.

It's horrific. I mean, you've probably talked to Shane. That's me, actually. Yeah, I've talked to Shane about it. Yeah, and I mean, look, Shane, no one's more of an authority than Shane is. Maybe not in this super hollow crazy stuff. I mean, whatever, Shane rides everything. But the biggest waves in the world, Shane's the authority.

Like, he's had wipeouts that he came close to dying he probably talked about the vest he created because of that he almost drowned he created a vest that you pull a co2 cartridge and it blasts you know this big bladder and lifts you to the surface even if you get knocked out or taken water somebody's gonna find you and probably save you um but yeah this is that's me there so i didn't make that but that wasn't even a big one you know that for that day that was a small wave fucking huge though when that's coming down but see where i'm at i'm kind of in blue water right so i was able to dive and kind of get under it not get sucked back over so there's a little bit of a skill that goes with wiping out so you understand that energy it's you know it's like a it's like a tornado or like a

hurricane like the eye wall is the worst but if you're in the center you're fine you know i always with wiping out. So you understand that energy. It's like a tornado or like a hurricane. The eye wall is the worst, but if you're in the center, you're fine. I've always wondered, could you follow a hurricane inside the center of the eye? Could you just stay with it and be okay? I bet you could if you moved at a really slow speed, right? They don't move that fast. They only move about 10 to 20 miles an hour, sometimes less. Can a plane go that slow? No, but maybe you could stay in your car and kind of like, you know, find a road.

If you had a really good GPS system. And you got a good radar guy. Do not go right. No, no, no, don't go northwest, go northeast. Yeah. Okay, you're gonna have to go off-road or you'll die. But so that energy, all that energy is in where the lip, you know, if you're in the center of that, you're pretty safe. But as soon as you get

sucked right into the wall of that and you get pitched in the lip, that's when the lip spreads the water that it hits and it sends you right down to the reef, especially in a place like this where it's, when you see a wave that's real hollow, it's generally a lot shallower than it is high. So the wave will be 15 feet and the water might only be five or six feet deep. So think of all that energy. It's going to hit, most of it's going to hit the reef at some point. So that's the, you want to try to kind of fall like where that lip's landing

and then escape under it into blue water. What do you do if you know you're going to hit a reef? You kind of just brace. You don't want to hit your head. For the most part, you can tell up and down. I mean, sometimes you lose your equilibrium a little bit underwater, but for the most part, you can tell up and down. I mean, sometimes you lose your equilibrium a little bit underwater. But for the most part, you can tell what is up and down. So you can feel it coming.

And, I mean, I'm going to put my arms there before I take it on my head. Right, of course. And so I'm, like, trying to be like a cat. Like, when I hit, I want to be able to – I'll break my hands or feet or whatever. You know, I'm not worried about that. I don't want to get knocked out. Right, right, right. So I think everyone's default is to try to cover your head. You know, if you hit anywhere else, you're kind of okay.

You just don't want to hit your head. And when the waves come crashing down on you, do you lose your sense of up and down? You can, yeah. But, you know, you also have your board connected from the leash, and that's usually, that's generally going to pull up so you kind of know um if you don't feel your board pulling you're kind of worried like shit my board might hit me might spear me underwater you know right you can occasionally get speared in the face with your board or fin or something that's kind of spooky um i was surfing with a guy who's like a big brother to me i used to travel with tom carroll he's a two-time world champion we were surfing tahiti one time together.

And he used to wear a helmet. A lot of guys don't wear, most people don't wear a helmet. But Tom used to wear a helmet. He was real, real used to it. But having something, you know, an extra, say, inch around your head or half inch, it's like it changes your judgment a little. So you got to be used to it. I always felt like it was weird. It's weird for sparring, too.

Yeah. It fucks with your peripheral vision. Yeah. Yeah. So it would mess with me when i tried to wear them and that extra weight and like when we're trying to on a critical wave we're trying to pull in the barrel we're we are dealing with inches you know percentages of inches like just tucking your head under that lip and so you gotta you gotta kind of be really aware of your range and your your ability to like tuck your head at certain places. And I was never comfortable with it, but I was surfing with Tom and he wiped out and his board speared

him in the ear and it broke, it broke the helmet and broke his eardrum. Jesus Christ. So we were just wondering like, what the hell would have happened if he didn't have his helmet on, you know, like probably would have killed him, you know, would have definitely knocked him out. And we didn't have a jet ski with us that day or anything. We were, you know, 500 yards or more off the beach, half a mile off the beach somewhere at this reef. When you blow out your eardrum like that, do you have to get it surgically repaired? Uh, no, I don't think so. I think I've never busted my eardrum. I almost busted my eardrum like six weeks ago in Hawaii, just free diving. I felt it like, like a pinhole. I could feel it like going, and I kind of got dizzy,

and I just came up and stopped diving. But there was a guy. I got a buddy named Greg Long. He has drowned, and he's been attacked by a shark. Not too many people can say those things. Wow. And he's alive. How did he get saved when he drowned?

That's a really crazy story. I'll talk about it in one sec. But he did break his eardrum at Mavericks up in Northern California. And you just flounder. You don't know. You think you're swimming one direction. Your equilibrium is fucked. It's like your boat's turning and you don't know which direction.

There's no rudder. And you don't know what's up and down. And you think you're swimming up and you're going sideways and it's really dangerous. There was a, there was a guy in Hawaii a couple of years ago that drowned surfing at a reef. He and a friend of mine caught a wave and this guy wiped out. He didn't have, all he had on was surf trunks and generally we'll wear like even a wetsuit, which is just thin, but it keeps you warm. Um, and even that's enough flotation to where if you got knocked out, you'd probably come to the surface.

So this guy wiped out his leash broke. So he lost his board. And then we think, you know, the guys who were out there think that he popped his eardrum because they said they saw him hit the surface and start like his feet were coming up and his hand was coming up and, you know, he was kind of just floundering around and then the next wave hit and they never saw him again. But he was only in surf trunks, so they didn't ever find the body.

Wow. Because he didn't float up. But if he just had even just a wetsuit, just some neoprene. They never found the body. Didn't find him. The waves were huge. It was, you know, it was like 40, 50 foot, whatever. But it was really unfortunate.

It was a real, those things are really, like, sobering in the surf community because we all know each other. And, you know, ultimately you're doing this for fun. And, you know, it's a heavy thing. It's crazy that your eardrum affects you that much. Yeah. I mean, I've seen people that have inner ear infections and they'll dizzy walking, and they just don't know what they're doing. While they're one foot in front of the other, they want to fall sideways. It's very strange.

Yeah. Well, so Greg Long, he drowned actually at a place called Cortez Bank, which is about 120 miles off the coast of Dana Point. It's basically the top of a mountain on an island that never hit the surface. the top of a mountain on an island that never hit the surface. And it was discovered when I think it was a nuclear ship actually grounded itself on that reef back, I don't know, 30 years ago or something. And caused a lot of, caused tens of millions of dollars of damage to the ship, Navy ship. And, yeah, I don't know if they had sounded the bottom by then. They must not have known it was there.

But anyways, this wave breaks when it's really big, and Shane's been out there. Shane was actually—I think Shane was out there this day. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure Shane was out during this session. There was about 15 guys out, a dozen guys out, and Greg took off on a wave, and somebody was in front of him on the wave, which kind of changed his angle a little bit. But he, I don't think he would have made the wave anyhow, but it just put him in a little bit of a precarious situation. And he ate it and was down a long time. This wave has just so much energy in it because there's nothing between where the wave started and this break.

Like it's thousands and thousands of feet deep that, you know, over the whole Pacific. So there's no continental shelf to slow the wave started and this break. Like it's thousands and thousands of feet deep over the whole Pacific. So there's no continental shelf to slow the wave down. If you can imagine the East Coast, we have small waves. A big part of that is because most of the storms go west to east and they don't come towards us. But even on a hurricane, our surf's not that big because we have a continental shelf that goes, you can go out 20 miles and it's 70 feet deep some places. So the swells just drag. In the Pacific, they don't drag. There's just nothing to get in the way. So these swells are going 35 miles an

hour when they hit. So it's a lot faster than a normal wave. So there's all this energy in the wave. And so when Greg went down on this wave, it was probably, you know, 40 foot face or whatever, 50 foot face. He was underwater and he's really calm. He's, this wave, it was probably a 40-foot face or whatever, 50-foot face. He was underwater, and he's really calm. He's probably as ready for anybody in big surf. He's totally prepared. He's done all the CPR and breathing courses and everything. And he was real calm, and he said he pulled his vest, and it didn't work.

And then he pulled another one, and it didn't work. And he pulled it a third time, and it didn't work. And so he was like, oh, fuck. I'm screwed. You know, that kind of thing. pulled another one and it didn't work and he pulled it a third time and it didn't work and so he's like oh fuck i'm screwed you know that kind of thing but he at that point you're when you start to pull it you're already in a little bit of a some some guys pull it right away just to be safe on a big wave but some guys kind of wait and go i'll see if i'm able to pull this one off and i'll save my little canister because you only have like some of the vests have two or two canisters some have four so you don't want to have to go change your canisters all over so if you're thinking going to make that you're going to get back to the surface or you're okay you can handle

it you got a good breath you're like i'll just i won't pull it but he pulled three times and then he blacked out and um they luckily they had really good water safety crew. And I don't know that it was his brother that saved him, but a couple of guys went and grabbed, dove in and pulled him up by the leash. Wow. Luckily he was to the leash because he wasn't floating because he didn't have the CO2. And then he had taken a lot of water. And they had to airlift him off the boat in big seas that night after dark. Wow.

And got him back to the mainland so did they do cpr on him they did cpr yeah and then did he come back to consciousness came back to consciousness they had him back yeah but he was like awake while they airlifted him but he was fucked up yeah but guys can have secondary drowning um we still have water in the lungs and you're not like aware of the symptoms how do you get it out um i don't know they pump it out you can't just like hang by your ankles or anything yeah i think they pump it out i was with a buddy in australia a year and a half ago and and he almost drowned and got knocked out his board hit him in the chin knocked him out cold and uh i was i was sitting out the back waiting for a wave and i

heard everyone kind of i heard another friend screaming luckily the waves kind of stopped and they were able to get to him pull him up on a jet ski and uh he had taken in some water and he's puking and coughing and all this stuff and i came up from behind and i didn't see his neck um and i i heard one of the guys say oh he got his board hit him in the neck and in the throat and so I was expecting this artery to be cut or like the throat to be open. Like I was like, OK, I don't want to look yet, you know, because I was behind him. I didn't want to go around him and try to look. I'm like, OK, let's get him into the beach. Luckily, we had a jet ski because we're about a mile offshore.

And I just I held on the jet ski and kind of I just squeezed on behind. We have a sled on the back of the jet ski, like a body, big giant body board with handles. So I just kind of straddled him. My other friend rode the ski all the way up on the beach. And then I thought, okay, when we get to the beach, I'm going to have to see, this is going to be gory. But luckily he wasn't opened up. He just had a huge hematoma here on his neck and he, it didn't slice him. It just like contusion, like a blunt force.

That's very lucky. Yeah. But he spent two or three days in the hospital cause they were worried about secondary drowning, which I don't exactly know what secondary drowning means, but I guess when you have water, salt water in your lungs, it can, I don't know, maybe from the way you laid down or I don't know, I should probably be super schooled in this stuff. Yeah, right. That's your living, right? But, uh, I mean, yeah. You must see a lot of crazy shit in the water like i've seen some crazy stuff yeah yeah wildlife and i mean you must see an amazing amount of fish and the shark topic super it never ends you know like

i mean anyone in the world i meet is like oh oh, I'm scared of sharks. Tell me about sharks. And then that story doesn't ever end. That story, like, it's a primal fear, like getting eaten by a monster, you know? Well, you feel so vulnerable in the water. I mean, maybe you feel less vulnerable because you're so comfortable with it. And you have a board and you move so quick with the board. But like someone like you. No, you are totally vulnerable if a great white wants you. Oh, yeah.

Completely. If a shark over, I mean, even if a six-foot shark wants you. But that's the misconception. You know, everyone thinks, oh, shark, death. You know, Jaws just fucked everybody up. You know, I was seven or something when Jaws, I was six, I think, when Jaws came out. And I watched it. You know, I watched freaking Poltergeist when I was like 10.

You know, my parents let me watch everything. Mine too. Yeah. Maybe that's why I always thought there was some boogeyman in the closet, you know, or whatever. Keeps you safe. Yeah. And keeps you prepared. Maybe that's why I started training with the dragon, you know.

But so Jaws, I wouldn't even go in the deep end of a pool. I was so freaked out that I was like, there's going to be a shark at the deep end somewhere. And, you know, I would only stay in the shallow end for a couple of years when I was like five or six, you know. But yeah, so anyway, so Greg got to the hospital. He was all right. But there's about a year and a half ago, a friend of ours who's a great big wave guy, like this guy's completely, totally fearless. He drowned in Fiji. And Greg, who I talked about at Cortez, Greg actually did CPR and brought him back.

Wow. And, you know, the big wave guys are a tight, it's a tight bond of camaraderie with these guys because, I mean, yeah, everyone wants that big wave. They want that biggest wave. They want something they've never had, but they want to – they're all really close friends. Like they know that there's life and death having each other's backs. Does pretty much everyone know CPR? Yeah, most everybody does. There's courses that the big wave guys run every year.

They put these courses together a couple times a year specifically to train for the situations that we could be in. And, yeah, so it's really great because they bring in a lot of, you know, breath-hold, deep, free-diving people and the best CPR and lifeguard guys in the world. A lot of the best lifeguard guys in the world are already surfers anyway on the North Shore or around Oahu and Maui. And, I mean, those are the guys you want to have your back when they're in the surf zone. Some guy in the Coast Guard is probably not going to be able to do the same. Like, they might help your boat, but they're not. And I'm not trying to put Coast Guard guys down at all in any way. I'm just saying, like, these guys train specifically in the whitewater, in big surf.

You know, they train the SEAL Team 6 guys in Hawaii every year. So, you know, for heavy situations. So how often do you actually see sharks? Depends where you're at. In Florida, I see sharks almost daily. Really? Yeah.

Do you live in Florida? I'm from Florida. I still go back there. And most days you surf, you'll see, in certain places, you'll see a lot of sharks. Do you live in Hawaii? I live here Florida. I still go back there. And most days you surf, you'll see in certain places you'll see a lot of sharks. Do you live in Hawaii? I live here. I live in Hawaii. I live in Australia. Oh, damn. You're

intercontinental. I'm a nomad. I'm like a modern nomad, you know. Do you keep apartments in different places? Yeah. So when I first started making money, I thought it would be cool to have a little place in each place I go that I kind of base out of so I can be feeling like home. Right.

On the roads. That's another thing is like I've always I've I wanted to make the world like my home when I was a kid. I just love traveling. I love meeting people everywhere. I love having these like sort of household feeling, you know, families everywhere and stuff. So in Australia, I bought a place in Sydney when I was 20 with a friend. You know, I just bought this real humble two-bedroom, tiny little two-bedroom on the beach, like just back from the beach.

My old roommate and I talk about it now. We're like, why didn't we buy that whole freaking apartment block, you know? Because it was so cheap back then. It was like $150,000 per apartment, Australian, which was like $100,000 U.S. at which was like $100,000 US at the time. So I bought, I owned half of that for about 15 years. And then I sold that and I bought another place up near, on the Gold Coast in Australia. Well, Australia has a lot of dangerous shit, right?

They have every dangerous shit. Saltwater crocodiles, box jellyfish. Yeah, they box jellyfish, saltwater crocs, lots of great whites. Do you see saltwater crocs while you're surfing? No. Well, I have. Yeah, they box jellyfish, saltwater crocs, lots of great whites. Do you see saltwater crocs while you're surfing? No. Well, I have. Yeah, I have in Costa Rica. Dude, that's scary.

Fuck those things. You know, people talk about sharks. Sharks don't hunt you. They might bite you if they see you, you know. But a saltwater croc, that thing is watching you. It can feel you walking, and it knows from that vibration how close you are to the water's edge. It knows exactly, it can pinpoint, it can pinpoint to the water's edge where you're

at. Yeah. That noise. My friend Adam Greentree lives in Australia and he's always trying to give me gold. They're not all over Australia. They're everywhere. No, no, no. They're under your house.

No, no. They're waiting for you at the supermarket. But they do keep track. I know that the closest one to the Gold Coast where I'm from is like, it's still like 300 miles north or something, like 200, whatever. It's like- The closest saltwater croc. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Like, they keep a track. Like, you know, they're pretty vigilant about how, where they are, what rivers they would be. You have to. Because they got to warn people, like, don't swim here. Some people don't listen. They're stupid and they die. But like, a croc's not going to just sort of give you an exploratory bite like a great white might and leave you no they're going to snatch you and they're you know and they're not going to get

the surfboard in the way from the underbite you know they're gonna there was a horrible story that i read i think it was a national geographic about this these two people that were kayaking in a river in africa and this guy watched. The third guy went with him. Did you, this might be a different story. I don't know. What story did you hear? This one was like,

these two guys were going to do a first descent down this thing. And they were contacting another guy who had done that river, an American guy. And the American guy was like, I can't miss this descent. I got to do this. I got to do that whole river. And then the three of them got into this zone where there was just crocs everywhere

and the river was real slow and wide and as soon as they got there all the river all the crocs came off the river bank and they were like oh shit there's like tons of them and this guy's theory was to take his helmet and throw it off to the side so it would be like movement and distract them and they'd attack that and he'd paddle the shore and all three of them got together and the american guy was on the right side, and the other two guys were together. And they were so close, the guy in the middle couldn't really paddle.

He was just kind of like, you know, trying to move along with them. And so they figured the bigger we are, the bigger we look and more intimidating. Like, maybe we'll be okay. 15, 18-foot croc comes up, grabs the guy, takes him out of his kayak, disappears. They never see him again.

His backpack floats up. And then his stuff's floating downstream. The other two guys get out of his kayak, disappears. They never see him again. His backpack floats up. And then his stuff's floating downstream. The other two guys get out of the water. And I think I'm telling this story pretty good because I read it like five times online too. And they got out of the water. And then there was a little village just down. And there was a little bridge over. And there were some boats.

And the boats were all dry docked. And they went down. And in broken English, there was one person that could talk to him or whatever and they said we know our boats are not in the water because there's too many crocs here like we know not to go in the water because they were like we need a boat we got to find his body we got to try and save him you know and then they went to this bridge and watch this stuff like float by that's the same story yeah it's and the guy wasn't supposed to be on the trip. And it was about the kayak flipping and then pulling his body out under the kayak.

Yeah. Brutal. They're monsters. There's a show called Uncharted. They really are. There's a show called Uncharted. You ever seen that show? Yeah. My friend Jim Shockey is... Florida. Yeah. That's a 15-foot fucking alligator they found in Florida strolling across a golf course.

And the next day they found a giant snake, a giant rattlesnake strolling across a golf course. Look at the size of that thing. I fed- You know, I was friends with Steve Irwin. So I used to go to- God, look at the size of that thing. It's massive. It's on a golf course.

Here's the thing. I think there's a misconception about the Crocs, and they actually talked about this. I used to be friends with Steve Irwin before he passed away. He actually had me hand-feed a 13-foot Croc. Scariest thing I've ever done in my life. Why? Terrified.

Why would you do that? I don't know. He told me, you know, you've got to feed a Croc. Fuck that. He's like, Kelly, you're me, you know, you got to feed a croc. Fuck that. He's like, Kelly, you're ready, mate. You got to feed a croc. You got to feed aggro. So for two nights.

Australia's are so crazy. For two nights, I had nightmares. Look at this. What's this guy doing? What's this guy doing? I told you I saw this a few weeks ago. What's this guy doing? He's feeding them.

Why is he doing that? Look at the heads of these things. Look at their heads. I can't see them, man. Good lord. And these are wild crocs. Well, they look pretty... They know this guy's going to feed them something. What the fuck ever, man?

Look at the heads on these things. See, this is like the conception we have about these animals, right? We just think that they're just killers and whatever. Do you ever see the guy in Limon, Costa Rica, who had a pet 15-foot croc that he raised? Yeah, I did see that.

That guy's an asshole. This is crazy. It's a crazy animal, man. Yeah. Crocs freak me out. But I kind of mess. When I'm playing golf, I play a lot of golf. When I'm in Florida, I always mess with the gators.

Like, I'll grab them by the tail. What? Yeah. Why? It's kind of, I don't know. It's just like. It's fun until you get your arm bit off, too. Yeah, I guess.

But this guy's not even worried. He doesn't even need to back step, you know. He's like. Well, those are smaller. Yeah, but that thing's still going to rip your arm off if it death rolls. But that's so small in comparison to those other ones. I was fishing in Australia in this freshwater river, but it goes down to the ocean. So saltwater crocs come up it.

To a certain point, there's like this dam and they don't go past that. So, you know, down here is up here is all the freshwater. Down here is fresh and saltwater. And we saw a few 15 foot crocs this day. And we're in a boat that was six feet wide and about 18 feet long 15 18 feet long and um you know the guy taking us he said you know we don't have problem in this boat but you know if you fell out of the boat there's a problem but he was telling us a story one day how he's fishing with these guys this one guy standing up in the boat fishing

he falls out of it and the guy was about 250 pounds or something like a big dude, like maybe 300 pounds. He was like a big overweight guy. And he fell in the boat. And the guy said the guy was in the water for about two minutes. And he was just like, any second, this guy is dead.

He's like, there's nothing I can do. And he said it was all they could do to hit dead to get him from the front of the boat. He was trying to pull up, come up the side and he couldn't. And he was panicking. So he's,'s you know when people go into panic mode like when people are drowning and they're panicking they say you got to punch him in the face and try to

knock him out and calm down and they they couldn't punch this guy like they were they were trying to get him to calm down and they had to get him all the way to the back of the boat because they had to get him up the transom and they said from there they could get leverage and lift him and it wouldn't flip the boat or whatever right but he, this guy was in the water for a couple minutes and he's like, at any time, there's a croc that's big enough to eat you within sight of us here at all times. But this guy said that, he said that the biggest, you know, I said, what's the biggest one you've ever seen?

Because we've seen 15-foot crocs like every 20 minutes, every half an hour we see a 15-foot croc. What the fuck, man? Yeah, no, giant freaking croc. Really? Yeah, and we're fishing. Oh my and we're we're fishing oh my god and um we're fishing for barramundi that's a crazy fish yeah and um and uh so we're fishing for barramundi and and i keep thinking like i don't know when you got one in line it's like a shark

bite that thing or whatever and anyways we started asking the guy what's the biggest one you ever saw and he said might the biggest one i ever saw was about 28 feet. 28 feet? Yeah, 29 feet maybe. And he said he's only seen it once and he saw it from about a kilometer away and they estimated the size. And he said these guys in a helicopter saw it once and it doesn't stay in the river, it stays out in the ocean. And he said, it's so smart. It knows it's in silty water where nothing can see it. there's nothing as big as it it owns its territory you know 28 feet yeah and he said that he said that the back we're in the six foot boat and he said if this thing he goes i tell you this how big they are he goes

this one would be he said if it was under our boat it would be sticking out about four to six feet on either side across its back sideways and we're in a six foot wide boat so he said it'd be like 15 foot across the back it's back like that's how what the so think of the girth of something that big 15 feet across the back yeah that's what this guy told me i don't know we didn't see it oh my god i mean we're seeing you know 15 footers that are like it's girth close to that you know like a great white when you see a 15 foot great like it's girth close to that. You know, like a great white, when you see a 15-foot great white, its girth is 15 feet pretty much. They're so fat. Yeah, once they get like 10 feet, then they start getting fat and their girth gets about the length of them.

So if you see a 15 or 20-foot, 18-foot great white and you measure their girth, it's pretty much their length. How big do crocs get? I don't know. This guy said, I don't know. This guy's claiming it's like must be the biggest croc in the world. But there was one they called Gus or something in Africa. I used to late night just YouTube this stuff. And they were saying this is one that had eaten like they think it's eaten over 100 or 200 people in these villages.

Oh, Jesus. And they think it's like 23 feet long or something. Well, this Jim Shockey show that I was talking about, Uncharted, they hired him. Gustavo. Look at that fucking thing. The Savannah King. Is that a perspective shot, though? Look how far back those guys are. I know. You wonder. Gustavo. They hired him. Gustavo. Look at that fucking thing. The Savannah King. Is that a perspective shot, though? Look how far back those guys are.

I know. You wonder. You wonder. Yeah, but people do that with pigs. I do that with my fish. When I catch a fish, I put it right by the lens. It says 28 feet, 4 inches. So that makes sense.

What's that? That's a replica of how big it was? Yeah. Fuck that thing. Fuck that thing and everything that was alive before it that made it. Dinosaurs, too. Go back to that picture, Jamie. That replica.

Make that larger. The replica. Just make that larger. Look at the size of that fucking thing. Well. Oh. Like, what is the largest confirmed one? Because if that one is 28 feet, 4 inches, the thing about that when they said 28 feet, 4 inches, that's like back when people were full of shit.

Yeah. I mean, this guy who told me, this Aussie guy might have been trying to freak me out, too. I mean, because the back. Look at that one right there. That thing's 20 feet, and it's not 20 feet across its back or 12 feet. You know what I mean? Yeah, but another 8 foot long is pretty pretty it's a lot bigger and wider you see when you see like a five foot croc or alligator and then you see a 10 foot the the girth relative to the length changes at that point it's like a he's talking about the

ratio and the size it's like one point right what does it say number one why does it say number one candidate this is a list of the top 10 so i think think there's a bunch. Of largest crocodile? Yeah. Cambodia crocodile, seven meters. Now, is this just the species they're talking about? Yeah, this is just the five largest crocodiles ever recorded on this. Oh, okay. Cambodia. Show the picture of the Cambodia one, 23 feet. That doesn't have a picture.

Oh, it doesn't? This was the only one that had a picture. Why would you not take a picture of a 23-foot-long crocodile? Trust me, bro. Shit was big. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that there's probably bigger ones out there i know there was a super killer croc that went extinct that far dwarfed those those that were 60 feet or whatever just giant enormous i had a extinct pull up that extinct giant crocodile

i had a friend who was a commercial fisherman in south Africa and he told me, he's like, bro, the biggest sharks are way bigger than you think. And I go, I want to see a picture or something. He said, I'll tell you this. I was on a 60 foot boat with 10 guys fishing. He said like everybody in the boat saw the shark. He said it came up next to their boat. They were

20 miles off of Port Elizabeth where there's this reef they fish. And he's claiming the thing was more than half the length of their 60-foot boat. What? Yeah, he's like, it was 35 feet. That's what he tells me. What is the biggest great white? Like 20.

But he's saying it's bigger than that. Jocko Stoke supposedly filmed one in Cape Verde, that they didn't have anything. They couldn't tell the size because they didn't have something next to it. He said it was close to 10 meters, which is 30 feet. But this guy's telling me. He goes, no. He goes, I've seen the shark twice out there is what he told me.

But I don't know. They're out there every day. That's the thing. How many people are out there? Yeah, I don't know. You know, it's like people. Where are the biggest ones? The biggest ones are smart, you know?

Yeah. Like I don't, I rarely see a big shark. Rarely. I'll see, like I've seen a couple of great whites in South Africa jump. Look at that thing. That is a replica of something that used to exist. Twelve animals you're glad it's extinct. Look at the

fucking skull. This guy's basically standing inside the skull of this crocodile. So freaky. Fuck that, man. Well, that's the premise of that stupid movie, The Meg. Megalodon movie. Yeah, I won't even watch it. Come on. How come? I don't even watch it. Come on. It's just like.

How come? I don't know. Do you remember that movie, The Deep Blue? Is that what it's called? There was a shark that they were, there were sharks that were training, like, they were like GMO sharks or something. You know, like, these genetically cloned sharks, and they were supposedly training them, and then they got too smart, and they started eating everyone.

And then there's like, you know, the girl. Jurassic Park style? The hot girl in the bikini, and she has to take off her wetsuit because it's rubber. I don't know. You see these movies, and the artistic license on these things is so bizarre. There's no truth to it. Is this it? Yeah, Samuel L. Jackson was in it. There we go. And he starts talking about it.

He goes, you know what? Dangerous? Water's not dangerous. Ice is dangerous. We're not going to fight anymore. We're going to pull together, and we're going to find a way to get out of here. Spoiler. First, we're going to seal off this movie.

Good movie. See, I mean, I wouldn't. Solid. Didn't see that coming at all. I wouldn't go in the water for seconds after that. I saw that movie. See, I mean, I wouldn't— Solid. Didn't see that coming at all. I wouldn't go in the water for seconds after that. I saw that movie. I actually was with Samuel L. Jackson like three weeks ago in Paris. We were playing golf together.

How big do you think— I wanted to ask him about that, but I didn't have the balls. I mean, how big do you think they could be and people don't know? I mean, 30 feet sounds reasonable. If they think they're 25 feet, there could be one that's 30 feet. Maybe, yeah. I mean, I think it's reasonable to go. But that's a lot more years and eating.

And, like, no one saw it during that time. I mean, it's kind of like UFOs. I got to see one. Yeah. I got to see an alien. I guess, but you've seen sharks. And we know they get big. And we're not.

How many people are out there looking for them? That's the thing. The ocean's massive. They filmed one they called Big Blue last year, I think, in Guadalupe Island, I think it was. And it was 21 or 22 feet. Yeah, the video's online. And you know how big they look, right? Yeah.

This thing's face and nose look small because its body's so huge. It must have been a pregnant female or something. But its body looks like even bigger around than the length. And they said it was 20. Yeah, look at this thing. See, like its face almost looks like small compared to its body. What the fuck? Oh my

God! But see the girth? The girth is so freaky. World's largest shark 7 meters. So that's 21. 22 feet, 23 feet. What the fuck, man? This guy touches it, too. That guy comes out of the cage and touches it. Look at the size of this thing.

That's another thing. The shark feeding freaks me out. This guy touched it. Watch. He just comes out and he's like, I gotta touch this creature. I got to. Get out of there, bitch. Its face almost looks small compared to how... It's so massive. So scary. That how... Right. It's so freaky. It's so massive.

So scary. That is so big. It looks like a whale. It literally looks like a whale. Oh, my God. And to think that there's something out there that's 10 feet bigger than that. Well, a killer whale could eat that thing's liver without thinking about it. Snap it in half.

And a killer whale is just a dolphin. It's so weird to think that that thing has dominance over that thing. It is, but they're just so much smarter. Yeah. It's not even close. They're so much more agile, so much smarter. This one, too, is 400 years old. What?

This is a seven-gill. What do they call it? A Greenland shark. A Greenland shark, yeah. They think, isn't, wasn't that one of the speculations of what the Loch Ness Monster was? I think it was some sort of a landlocked green, or not landlocked. Yeah, but it wouldn't have been in the loch. No, they think it was in the loch because it was trapped, because the loch used to be connected to-

I think that was a twig. Could be. It could be. It could be a driftwood, man. Or it could be like a sturgeon or some shit like that. There was one of those, what was it, Lake Champlain, or one of those lakes. Yeah, the sturgeons are huge. Yeah, sturgeons are crazy looking. Freaky, yeah. That's another dinosaur. An alligator gar. one of those lakes? Yeah, the sturgeons are huge. Yeah, sturgeons are crazy looking.

Freaky, yeah. That's another dinosaur. An alligator gar. You seen those things? Oh, yeah, man. Those are freaky. My friends went fishing for them. Yeah.

They have them in Texas. Yeah. You can catch them in Texas. Those things are bizarre. I don't think you're noodling for those things. No. That's another thing that's hundreds of millions of years old, right? Yeah.

I mean, that would be, I'd love to go take my friends and just go noodling sometimes. Sounds kind of creepy. Your girlfriend would be like, what? Noodling? Oh, for catfish? Yeah, but. But you can accidentally get turtles sometimes. Those snapping turtles would bite your arm off, wouldn't it?

That's one of the scariest things. They'll fuck your hand up. That looks like it would just break your arm in half. Probably fuck you up. I mean, I'm sure dudes have probably lost fingers. Snapping turtles. What's that? Yeah, I accidentally Googled that and the snapping turtle incidents popped up. Oh guys losing their hands Don't show me this cuz that's like two razors. They're like two razors that those yeah like garden shears. Yeah

Yeah, taking your fucking arm off. Oh, I mean what how often have you encountered orcas? fucking arm off. I mean, what, how often have you encountered orcas? I've never seen an orca. Really? No,

not, no, I mean, not other than SeaWorld's kidnapping of them. Fuck SeaWorld. Yeah, I'm with you.

That's just so gross. I just don't understand. I mean, I guess I understand because I was a kid once and I went there, but I don't understand how a rational,

logical thinking adult could take their kids to SeaWorld after all the information that's out there about the social behaviors, about how smart these animals are It hasn't gotten to a lot of people unfortunately I agree with you if you

did get the information but a lot of people just don't know, they think oh they're fed, they're healthy Yeah I got in this battle with, and look I'm no scientist A lot of people just don't know. They think, oh, they're fed, they're healthy. It's bullshit, man. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, I got in this battle with, and look, I'm no scientist. I debate people all the time, but I'm no scientist, obviously. I just, I think I have a pretty good heart, and I feel bad for animals that are locked up that need to travel 100 miles a day in their social packs.

And they need to have interaction with other animals. And they need a certain amount of space. I mean, imagine you think about solitary confinement for a prisoner who's in a room that's no wider than they are tall and maybe twice as long as they are tall. And there's no interaction with other people. They go crazy. Most people come out of prisons and jails worse than they went in because of this kind of thing that happens to them. But think of being in there for 30 years, just wondering, God, is there another whale on the other side of that wall?

Can I get some fish? And I mean, you go nuts. And you see these videos of the trainer that was killed. And a trainer, one trainer, luckily the guy was a great free diver and he lived through basically an attack by an orca. And the thing knew he wanted to get over to that wall. And he went, nope, I'm going to play with you. And I'm just going to keep pulling you down and pulling you down. And the guy was a good enough free diver to be able to know,

okay, I've got to conserve my energy. I've got to bring my heart rate down. I'm going to have to hold my breath against my will when I don't know what's going to happen. A friend of mine used to work at Marineland in Canada, my friend Phil, Phil Demers, and he was an ORCA trainer, and he's trying to get Marineland closed down. There's this big lawsuit with them, and he's been involved in a lawsuit with them for over five years now. I was just hanging out with him in Toronto.

And he was a walrus trainer. And this is walrus that he was taking care of. It's the only one that's left there that survived. And Marineland is like slowly going bankrupt. The guy was the original owner is now dead. Too bad they don't quickly go bankrupt. It's so dark, man. The whole business is so dark because, you know, a lot of them say, oh, we won't take any, you take any orcas or dolphins from captivity, but they'll get them from people that stole them from the wild. And they breed.

I think there's no more breeding allowed in America. Yeah, but they'll get them from someone that bred them in Canada or Russia, rather, or China, or someplace where there's not as many rules. John Lilly, the guy who actually invented the isolation tank, he was a pioneer in interspecies communication, which is, it's a weird field. He was a scientist that was also,

he took like extreme liberties with his scientific research, took a lot of acid, gave acid to dolphins, did a lot of dolphin research in the flotation tank, did a lot of really research in the flotation tank, did a lot of really, really wacky shit. But he believed that one day dolphins were going to have a seat in the United Nations. He believed we're going to be able to communicate with dolphins and that dolphins were going to be recognized as water people.

He thought they were going to be literally, he thought they were as smart as human beings. That's amazing. And that if we could figure out how to communicate with them, they would have the same rights as human beings. Yeah. And the guy was a genius. Yeah. I mean, just he – and I agree with him. I think there's just a level of communication.

There's a way that they have of communicating that we don't understand. But it's super complex. Very complex. They have their own dialects. They have this crazy social code. They have their own dialects. They have this crazy social code. I mean, they have something, like, incredibly dynamic about their environment and their social groups.

To be able to speak a language, you need to know, like, 150 words. There was a dolphin that knew, like, 700 words or 300 words. I don't know, like, hundreds of of words. Like commands, 300 human words? Yeah. You know how many dolphin words we know? Zero. Yeah, zero. We don't have a fucking clue what they're saying.

Yeah, we have no idea. We don't know what the fuck they're saying, but they know what they're saying. They're just saying, why are you so goddamn stupid, you stupid human? Stop giving me macro and let me loose. They're like, they don't know we're making fun of them for hundreds of years.

I don't think they know what to do with them. Well, one of the things that Phil was working with was there's a group. What was that group that they're trying to, they're going to create a boundary out in the ocean and slowly release these dolphins and orcas out into this boundary. And then, you know, and keep feeding them, but then slowly release them out to the real world. Open ocean pens. Yeah. They're talking about doing that possibly. And that would be a way for people to actually experience it.

Because the idea is that, and I had a debate with this trainer. I watched Blackfish and it just freaked me out. And of course, there's probably a lot of confirmation bias. There's probably some information in there that is not totally unbiased, right? Obviously, they're trying to make a point. But this woman was, she talked to all the different trainers and stuff. I got in contact, a guy got in contact with me that was a trainer. And he said, Kelly, the whole movie is BS.

I believe this guy was actually in the movie. He said it was all BS. Orcas live longer in captivity than they do in the wild. He told me that. Orcas haven't been in captivity as long as they live yet. So we don't know that. So that's completely a lie. He has no idea if that's true.

He said they're more healthy. He told me all these things. And I just finally went, this guy's just full of shit. I don't know. I can't buy what he's telling me. But he said, I'm a trainer. I've been a trainer for – I looked him up and stuff. He's biased because that's what makes his living.

Exactly. And I know some dolphin trainers. And I actually went to SeaWorld a few times in Australia. I used to know a few of the trainers back in the late 90s. And I went there a few times, swam with the dolphins. The first day I was there, one of the things I asked them was, like, will these guys ever get set free? And right then I could feel a little pullback, you know, like straight away. I could feel like, oh, maybe.

And I felt like. Why would I release my slaves? Yeah, I felt a little uncomfortable to keep asking questions because it is their livelihood. And I had a respect for that. And I know that all these trainers love these animals. They really, truly like probably love them more than they love most people. But that doesn't make it right. Right.

At all. And there are probably some animals that can handle being in a zoo or they're happy there. Giraffes. Giraffes. I used to have a bit about that. They're just walking around going, kangaroos with no lions. Yeah.

Kangaroos, you know, they get fed well. They don't really need to migrate very far. They don't have anything that's a predator that's going after them. There's, I mean, they let babies feed giraffes at the zoo. Yeah. Cause they're so calm. My friend has a giraffe in Malibu. Really?

Yeah. Your friend has a giraffe? Has a giraffe. How baller is your friend? It's fucking awesome. When bitches come over your house, you got a giraffe. They bought it for like 30 grand or something. That's a penny drop.

Yeah. Here's my Ferrari. They got a bunch of hens. Oh, yeah, that's my giraffe. They got some emus. Come on inside. Our chef will be cooking for you. And then we'll fly to Jamaica in my private jet.

Motherfucker's got a giraffe. You can't be poor and have a giraffe. They got a winery. They got a giraffe. Oh, Jesus. He's got his own winery. Yeah, their family has all these acres. But anyways, this giraffe's super cool.

He can come up and eat out of your hand. This is in Malibu? Malibu, yeah. It's called Malibu Winery or something. Man, wake up with a mountain lion eating that giraffe. I know. They got to watch out. There's a mountain lion that killed like 11 alpacas up there.

My friend lives in Topanga Canyon, and he came home. One night, a mountain lion got into his pig pen or goat pen or something. It's kind of ugly. There's a lot of them. We were talking about that before. And it had to figure out, like, he had this, the way he had his thing, it couldn't climb up the fencing or break under it. It had tried, apparently. The thing knew to climb up this tree and drop from, like, 12 feet or 15 feet down into the pen.

What? Yeah. Yeah. It had to climb this tree. He had, he has cameras and stuff. So it figured it out. stuff so it figured it out yeah it figured it out yeah

fuck those things man those creepy cats I was gonna say about you know I went to Muscle Bay in South Africa I was always interested to do one of those

shark dive feeding tours and I thought I'll go check it out got there get on the boat and you go and you don't want to

I didn't want to bring my own wetsuit because I didn't want all this fish slime all over it you know what I mean so I don't want to go back surfing the next day at some, back at Jeffrey's Bay and smelling like fish, yeah. And so get on the boat, go out there, and where they feed them, there's like these couple of little rock islands that stick up right there, and they just park the boat.

As soon as they park the boat, boom, the sharks are on you. Sharks are pretty inquisitive anyways. Even when I've been on boats out in the ocean fishing or diving. I was in Papua New Guinea one time. We pulled up and everywhere we anchored immediately would be three to five, maybe more sharks on the boat. They just come up from the deep, check you out, what is that? Boom, and then they kind of disappear. Then they're probably watching because they know what's going on.

But the great whites pop up. I think that day we saw about eight or ten great whites, different size and ages and whatever. But about 500 yards away, there were guys surfing. And I was like, this is fucking weird, man. Like, there's no way I'd be surfing. And these guys surf there every day. And then there's a couple other spots.

A couple friends of mine, like, grew up in that area, and they surf these reefs that are, like, right back where we came a mile from there from there in the boat just on just on the outside of this harbor and i there's kind of two ways of thinking like number one the thing that bothers me with it is that these like sharks know where they got up they got a meal sharks they tag sharks they know they come back to a hunting place where they got a seal the year before or whatever. And they're there at the same time,

you know, they're there the same month or whatever. So like September, October, they're like here on the coast of California. Yeah. And then they go down to Guadalupe Island and then, then they go out about thousand miles off the coast and they believe they

breed out there. And then a lot of the females will go to Hawaii, and the males will come back and kind of do that route back up the coast. But the craziest thing about these animals, they know how to just free swim. Like, even if I'm swimming on the surface, I got to, like, put my head up and go,

okay, where's the beach? Where's, you know, which direction am I going? Imagine, like, they can just swim out in the ocean and find each other a thousand miles from shore and breed out in the middle of nowhere. How do they do that? They all know to get to this place. They smell like shark pussy. Yeah.

Can you imagine, like, fish smell? Imagine how bad shark pussy smells? Probably, like, real distinct. I don't know. I mean, animals have crazy smells for each other when they're breeding. An orca knows that there's a liver in that great white and he's going to smash it and eat the liver out of that and leave the shark. Yeah. How they smell that.

Well, that's what all alpha males, like in the wolf packs, when they kill a thing, the alpha male always eats the liver. Wow. It's the most nutrient dense organ. Yeah. The alpha male always eats the liver. Wow. It's the most nutrient-dense organ. Yeah.

Well, so what I don't like is that sharks, I believe, are equating, okay, I see a boat, I see a person, whatever that thing is, and he's got food. Right. I just don't like that equation. That sucks. Yeah, it sucks. I'm not a fan. All these shark weeks and stuff, they're all filming off of Cape Town, and they're musing bird.

I think they're educating the sharks that, like, you see a human, it's not fear. It's food. And it's not necessarily the person's food, but they have food, and if they don't give it, it's like a spear fisherman shooting a fish. If you don't give up your fish, a shark will bite you sometimes. Well, you know, that's the case in Kodiak Island with grizzly bears. They said the

grizzly bears have gotten so used to the sound of a gunshot, meaning a deer's dead, that they'll run to the sound of a gunshot, meaning a deer's dead, that they'll run towards the sound of a gunshot. Yeah, there's no fear there. So they hear a gunshot. If someone shot a moose or someone shot a deer, that means that's the dinner bell. Yeah.

So they run towards gunshot sounds. Yeah. It's freaky. There's an island up in the Aleutians that has a bunch of caribou on it. You know about that? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And no bears.

Yeah. Yeah. I no bears. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to go hunt that. My friend Adam, Adam Greentree that we were just talking about who shot that water buffalo above my head just shot a giant moose and a grizzly bear stole it. No. In the Yukon last week. Wow.

Not even last week. Three days ago. It might be still in his Instagram story, but they took some of the meat. The bear is still eating that thing right now. Well, the bear buried it buried it buried a giant fucking moose well it's an enormous bear yeah it's a bear in the yukon so you're talking about a bear yeah easily 11 foot bear so this bear buried his entire moose and it's a fucking huge moose like an 1800 just try moving that moose one foot. Yeah, this bear just dug.

That picked it up and dug it. Yeah, like a front loader or one of those cranes that just digs foundations for houses and shit. So what, they just like the meat to rot and then they grind it like a crocodile? Well, they also want to cover it so that birds don't find it and then nothing else can see it. So they dig a giant hole. And the flies don't get on it and everything. They'll cover the moose, and he just decided it was his. Yeah.

And so they were terrified when they got there. They found that the moose and he just decided it was his. And so they were terrified when they got there. They found that the moose was covered. They knew it was a grizzly that did it because it was so big. So they just took some of the meat and ran. Bears are so primal. Because they can only pack out so much at a time. But why would you even take any? I'd just get the fuck out of there.

I mean, nothing comes back or smells you. Look, that's the moose that he shot. Look at the size of that fucking thing I mean that is a massive moose a friend of mine got a moose last year but he's got photos go to the photo of what he got out of the moose from the bear he got a bag a small bag

this one might be that what does it say it's just not my kill anymore yeah see click on that You can see the video. Like, play that. He buried the whole moose. Come on. Look at this.

The whole moose is buried. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's my moose under there. You sure it wasn't a skunk ape that did that? No, look at that. Look, look, look. That's freaky. Okay. I don't like this.

Okay, I don't like this. Hey, hey, hey. Don't do it. Speak up. I would get- Yeah, like, we gotta get the fuck out of here. I would't like this. I would just hide here. Plus, they're bow hunting. They don't even have guns. No guns.

You ever hear that story of the guy, the kid who was getting attacked by the bear, the grizzly, running down a hill and his dad was looking up with the bow? You ever hear this story? No. You've got to find this story. It's so sick. The dad was looking up? The guy decides to go up this ridge, this kid. He's like a 25 or 20-year-old kid or whatever, and he's going up the ridge,

and he sees a couple bear cubs or whatever, and then, oh, no, there's mom. The thing comes after him just charging. He comes running back down the hill, but he's straight in line with the bear. The dad is looking at him, pulled back, ready to let an arrow fly. And the kid's exactly in line with the bear. Oh, my God. And as the bear is like getting to him, the kid's kind of sidesteps and the dad lets it fly and it hits the bear in the heart. And the bear falls on the kid and starts ripping at him and dies.

Whoa. Whoa. Outdoor Life, September 25, 2008 He was 37 So yeah Wow Elk hunting Fuck

Yeah Wyoming It got him And started tearing at him And died on him Jesus Christ I passed my dad And I saw an arrow fly by my leg

About two feet away Dad kept it together. Tell you what, there's some fucking serious target panic there. Yeah, you better be sure. 11 foot crazies charging at you and your son's in front of you. Oh my God. Dude, I hate to wrap this up, but I got to get out of here. It's already 630.

I had a question for you. Please. I was talking about this with a couple of friends of mine that you are exposed to probably more information and people and all that. And more walks of life than maybe anybody in the world. You realize that? You ever think about that? Because you get such a diverse group of people to come talk to you from politicians to chemists and scientists and athletes. And you just know so much information about so many topics.

I know, like, little scattering little things. Well, you know a little bit about everything, sort of. Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes I don't remember anything. Well, you're being humble. But, I mean, I think it's cool because you're just in this, you're sort of in this place where now that information is so readily available to you firsthand.

Yeah. Well, I definitely have learned a lot. But what's interesting is that this available to you firsthand. Yeah, and well, I definitely learned a lot But what's interesting is that and this was never the plan. Yeah, this is all just complete happenstance Yeah, and good fortune. I mean this this whole thing just started out talking shit with comedian friends Yeah, yeah, and then slowly but surely someone's like I want to go on like okay Come on on and then you know I got like Anthony Bourdain was one of the first guests that was like a guest guest. And then Graham Hancock. Were you buddies with him?

Did you become friends with him? Yeah, I was friends with him. Oh, what a sad thing. It's fucking beyond sad. But like, yeah. So your experience now is like your flow state. It's just like it's just happening. And is it you enjoy it?

I love it. Yeah. No, I love it. I love watching it. I look forward to it. Yeah. I look forward to meeting interesting people and meeting, you know, people like you and people like, you people like Neil deGrasse Tyson or Graham Hancock. There's so many different people that can come on and talk about so many different fascinating things that maybe a lot of people just weren't exposed to the information before that.

Just to wrap up that foot thing, because I didn't, and it'll be super short. I got a second surgery in February. put me off for about six weeks. I surf about six weeks and I started getting good again. And then I tore it because my foot was so tight. I did like a turf toe tear on the bottom and I ripped the plantar fasciitis or whatever. So I've been fighting that, but I'm, I'm right back now. I'm going to start competing in December again. Nice.

But, um, so yeah. I'm going to start competing in December again. Nice. So, yeah. I want to go to one of those live. Is there anyone live around here? Any competition that I could see? Not really around here. Where would I have to go? Hawaii? Yeah, come to Hawaii.

December. When's a good one? Second week of December. Second week? Yeah. It's in between UFCs. Which island? There's actually a Bellator that week.

Really? In Hawaii. In Honolulu. Oh, that's right. Yeah. A friend of mine is fighting it. Who's on that card? Oh, I forget the card.

My friend Dustin Barker is fighting on it, though. Man, I was planning on seeing Fedor versus Ryan Bader. It was going to be at the forum. Fedor, Bader. Is that what's happening? Yeah, on the 26th. But now, what is it? November?

No, not December 26th. Well, whatever the date is, there's a UFC now. Bummer. Yeah. Maybe it's November. I wanted to see him live. Yeah, but there's a Bellator. I mean, I don't know if you're – are you contractually obligated to not go to those things?

No, no, I can go. Yeah, I can go. So there is one that week, and we have a serve contest at Pipeline. Who's on that Bellator card? Is it Michael Chandler? The main is Valerie Letourneau versus... I can't say her name. I'll pull it up for you.

McFarlane. No, you can say it. Go ahead. I don't know how to pronounce that. Alama or... Elimale McFarlane. Elimale McFarlane. She must be Hawaiian. Well, she's probably on the local card. Yeah. Leota Machida. There it is. Oh, Machida's on there. They can't figure out this website.

Man, Lyoto was great. God, when he was undefeated, no one could figure him out. And Rafael Cavallo was a bad motherfucker. That's a good fight. Neiman Gracie and Ed Ruth. Ooh, that's a good fight. King Moe. King Moe and Liam McGeary.

That's a good fight, too. Kona. He's a friend of mine, Kona Oliveira. Oh, okay. He's a surfer guy. What a weird... Bellator's got a very strange... Yeah, it's hard to use.

Website. They have prelims also. Yeah. Hmm. But yeah, December 15th is this one. So that's the same week. And what island is this surf contest on? Oahu, same as Honolulu.

Oh, okay. So it's on the North Shore. I'll send you some surf forecast. I'll tell you what day this is running. Okay. I'm going to try. If I can, I would try. I really want to see one live.

I think it would be cool. Shane will be there. He probably won't compete, but he'll probably do commentary for it. Shane's going to be here real soon. He's here the day of Sober October, the November 5th show. You got me in, man. He's going to be here early. You got me in.

I don't drink much, but I was in Paris the week October started. Yeah. And I'm just going to my friend's restaurant every night and having a drink or two. It's stupid, you know? Yeah. And so I just feel so much better not having even a beer. It's a good look. I enjoyed it last year.

Last year we did 15 days of hot yoga. We had to do 15 hot yoga classes, 90-minute classes. Yeah. That was kind of a pain in the ass. This year is way more of a pain in the ass. This year is way more of a pain in the ass. This year we're doing this crazy fitness competition where we're wearing this MyZone heart rate monitor, and you get a certain amount of points for every minute you're in,

like 80% of your max heart rate, 70% of your max heart rate is less. So just every day you're just doing it. Dude, I worked out for five and a half hours today. Five and a half hours. I'm trying to kill my friends. I surfed for five hours yesterday and I today. Five and a half hours. I'm trying to kill my friends. I surfed for five hours yesterday and I was dead. I'm not kidding. I just haven't surfed much lately.

I'm not bullshitting. I worked out for five... People are like, yeah, you're exaggerating. No, it's documented. I did five and a half hours, 913 points. How many... They're all shit in their pants right now. I have to get to 929 before I quit.

How many minutes... Do you know how many minutes today you were at 80% heart rate or whatever? Hours. Look, all those yellow. That's hours this month? Yes. No, today. Today I was at hours at 80% of my heart rate. A couple hours. More like three. Wow. Three hours at

80% of my max heart rate. It had to be because 913, you get 240 points per minute. What's the end game? The end game is I win. No, but I mean, do you go do a triathlon after or something? I don't know. I'm in fucking crazy shape right now, I'll tell you that. Yeah, you are. I mean, I walk in, I'm like, Jesus, this guy's freaking ripped.

But I mean, I've literally never been in better cardiovascular shape in my life. I've worked out for five and a half fucking hours today. So what do you, do you do anything with that besides just feel good? I'm just trying to get my belt. We have a championship belt, like a WWE belt at the end of this.

It says Intergalactic Champion Sober October. And I'm just trying, right now, I'm trying to literally kill my friends that are trying to compete with me. I want them to regret getting into this competition with me. Because I don't think they totally understood how fucking crazy I am until this thing started heating up, and I told them I'm gonna do

929 points every day right now Jesus 1600 points ahead of the second place do you ever fast have you fasted fuckers? No no no I've done intermittent fasting fast like 16 hours, but never like a master cleanse for 10 days or something no I like food too much, But I do enjoy intermittent fasting. I like to do 16 hours. I've done like nine, 10-day fasts. Master cleanse. But, dude, that's, it's, I recommend it.

Just because you get all the stuff out of your colon that looks like your colon. It's like old poop and it's kind of gross. Is that real? I swear to God, I came out of my body. I thought I pooped out my colon. So. It's crazy. and it's kind of gross. Is that real? I swear to God, I came out of my body. I thought I pooped out my colon. So, it's crazy. Like when you haven't eaten

in like two days, how much are you shitting? You still shitting? No, you still poop the whole, you poop every day a little bit. Really? Yeah.

Wow. It's crazy. That's gotta be weird. But then this stuff comes out of your gut. They call it mucoid plaque. You can Google that. And it is like 20,

30, 40 years of stuff built up from the mucus your body creates when it doesn't like what you're eating. And that goes down and it gets stuck on the walls of your intestines. Whoa. And it's like tire rubber.

And you poop it out. It looks exactly like the shape of your intestine. I thought it was my intestine. So you thought you shit out part of your body. I did. It was freaky. And how good do you feel when this is over? You look like.

Let me see. Pull it up. Pull it up. Look at his face. Look at his Pull it up. Look at his face. Look at his face. Yeah. Look at his face. I didn't believe it was real and I got it out.

It's like weird stuff starts... Mucoid plaque. Mucoid plaque. Whoa, that is nuts. Yeah, I got some out of my body. That does look like intestine. Yeah, it looks like intestine, dude. It's gross.

So that's what comes out after you're done. So your nutrients have to go through that to get it. How long? Well, maybe I'll do that right after I'm done with Sober October. But Google the Master Cleanse. How many days? Because you're drinking a tea of like maple syrup, lemon, and cayenne pepper. For how many days?

So I kind of like it. I did it for 10 days. 10 days? No food, just that? Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. But I got that stuff coming out after about five days because I was really aggressive with the,

you do a saltwater flush every day, every morning. Yeah. But I got that stuff coming out after about five days because I was really aggressive with the, you do a saltwater flush every day, every morning. Yeah. And then you take this smooth move tea that makes you kind of like go to the bathroom. Well, I'll tell you one thing that I have been doing because I've been sweating so much. Yeah. I videotaped one day the sweat puddles that I left in the gym. I saw that. It's fucking insane.

I watched that. And then I set off my alarm, my fire alarm in my gym from my sweat and today it was so bad that was when you lapped the field of your friends yeah today was so bad because today i did the longest that i've ever worked out but um i know your nutrition's good too so i mean but you got to be thinking about what's going out and what you got to put back in well that's one of the things. I've been drinking water with electrolytes and I'm adding salt. I'm adding Himalayan salt to the water, but I maybe added too much. And when I talk about just, forget diarrhea. It's not really diarrhea.

It's basically that water coming out of my ass. Because it's, I mean, it would be like, I would feel it. You don't pee it out. Uh-oh. Boom. It was like opening floodgates and gallons of water would come out of my ass. Most people should do that like once or twice a month. Two teaspoons of salt in one liter of water or a quart of water.

Bang. And your body sees it as food, not as pee. Right. And it just cleans you out. And that's what I did. You better stay home for that one. I wasn't staying home. I would just jump off the treadmill for five minutes, take a voluminous shit of water.

It was basically water coming out of my asshole, but it probably cleans up a lot, right? It cleans you out, yeah. There was a lot of weird stuff floating around in there. I didn't know what that was. Your body uses so much energy for digestion. Yeah. But I got these guys I follow online that do water fasts like every month, and they're doing a five to ten day water fast coming up this week.

I don't think I'm participating in that one, but I want to do a fast soon. So how much did you look forward to that drink, the tea with the lemon? I mean, if you're not having any calories. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Did you lose a lot of weight? I lost, yeah, I didn't weigh myself, but I think, I really enjoyed it. Did you lose a lot of weight? Yeah, I didn't weigh myself, but I think I lost 10 to 12 pounds. That's a lot.

Yeah. I looked really emaciated. I was pretty shredded, but I was thin too, you know? But then you build back. That first date I ate afterwards, you know, it was like the best food I ever had. My life gone, you know, just like you've never eaten. So you did 10 whole days of just the tea. Yeah.

Wow. And a salt water flush every day. Oof. And the smooth move tea, which I was doubling up on, so I was, because I didn't have the full 14 days,

so I'm like, I got to go fast. But I was getting stomach cramps because I was eating, drinking too much of that tea. I'll try that. Yeah. I'll give that a shot.

At least Google it and look. But when you can abstain from food, it's like you could quit heroin or something. People are so addicted to food. Look at people. They're so addicted to food. Well, that's one thing because of this. The amount of calories that I'm consuming, let me tell you how much I burned today because it's so goddamn insane. That's amazing.

Today I burned, I mean, this doesn't even seem real, but I burned 4,217 calories during this workout. Yeah, that's a banana. Are you just circuiting the whole time? Well, I ran the hills, I ran two miles with my dog in the hills, which, believe it or not, you don't get that many fucking points for because this thing sucks. It's way harder than the other things that I'm doing because it's basically straight up But I'm just trying to I have a two-year-old Golden retriever and he's got so much goddamn energy He's the best but I got to wear his ass out otherwise he annoys everybody and jumps up on people He just needs attention, but when I run with him. He's just chill, so I'll do two miles in there

What do you got here? Just give you I'm gonna plug my buddy son life. I love this stuff. the, what do you got here? I'm going to plug my buddy's Sun Life. I love this stuff. What is this one? That's a Dawn Patrol. It's like cold brew coffee, coconut cream, coconut sugar. Anyways, you go into my buddy's shop sometimes. I do. I go in there all the time.

I love Sun Life. They have great acai. They have great everything. That place is awesome. I go live there. Sometimes I'll spend half the day there and get two of my meals. He's got bone broth, too. Bone broth.

I love the bone broth. It's like his Khalil special. Khalil style, yeah. Yeah, with the cayenne pepper. That's fucking sensational. What was I saying? Oh, but that's not good for that many points. No.

The system sucks. The output is not gauging. Going uphill, it's like... for that many points. No. The system sucks. The output is not gauging. Going uphill, it's like... It's more grinding. Yeah. It's like just if you get to 80% of your max heart rate and just grind. You guys got money on this thing? No, just the belt.

Just the belt. Yeah. Yeah, and bragging rights. Yeah, you'll be like Khabib. You'll be like, where's my belt? Give me my belt. Give me my belt. That's all I want.

Give me... This is number one bullshit. Send me a location. Send me a location Send me a location Kelly I'm glad we finally did this Me too man Thanks a lot

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