The Joe Rogan Experience - #1186 - Marques Brownlee

Episode Date: October 23, 2018

Marques Brownlee, also known as MKBHD, is a YouTuber, best known for his technology-focused videos. https://www.youtube.com/MKBHD

Here we go. Four, three, two, one, boom. First of all, before we get started, I want to say I love your reviews. You are my favorite. You have the, well, you and Lou, I love Lou too, but you're so good at covering all the bases of whether it's cell phones or any kind of weird technology that's coming out, and you just nail it. You're my go-to guy, man. Well, thank you. That's quite an intro. I appreciate that.

I really want to tell you, whenever a new cell phone's out, I saw that you walked in with the red, but that's not your daily driver? No, I thought you would like this. I mean, every phone now is glass on glass and everything, but this red Hyd hydrogen one has a lot of weird stuff about it uh it's first of all it's about twice as big as it has to be but it's it's from a red which is a camera company wow all these buttons yeah so they're really good grip this is not buttons this is just a grip this rubberized side grip you could probably drop it from 45 feet

and it'll be fine throw it across the room But the weird part is it's made by Red. So Red is a camera company. I use their cameras. I love their cameras. But then they come out with this, which is a phone, which is kind of weird. There it is right there on the screen. Yeah, that's my photo actually. So that's next to the iPhone 8 Plus, which is already a huge phone.

What is this metal thing on the back, the brass looking? So it's got these pins. And it's supposed to next year support modules that will connect to it. So potentially a better camera, bigger battery, VR, whatever Reds decide to support or make will attach to it. But it's also kind of may or may not happen for a while. Yeah, because Jamie ordered one. When did you order one? I think I paid for it last, I don't know, right when it went on sale.

Yeah. So like last August maybe. Vaporware. Yeah. My official one just shipped. That's a prototype. This is a prototype you have here? Yes.

So I've worked with Red for, I've seen a lot of the process since. I've gotten like eight software updates and this is not final, but like it's a pretty good idea. Yeah. What do you think about it so far? So I, it's surprisingly good. A lot of people like new camera companies or new companies come up and make a phone and it's just not right in a lot of ways. They kind of took a lot of notes and they went minimal with the software. I liked that about it. I was expecting the camera to be amazing. They don't make this sensor, so the camera's not amazing yet. But I think the modules will make this what it is. I think the phone by itself is not really a $1,300 phone. But its support for upcoming things that they're planning I think will make it good.

Is it a problem when a company tries to get into the cell phone business and you're competing with Samsung, Apple, you know, Huawei. There's so many companies that are so advanced. For you to be Red, who's essentially a camera manufacturer, they make video cameras. Really high end, for people who

don't know. Really high end HD video cameras. A lot of movies are shot on them, films, all kinds of things. Even YouTube videos. Yeah. Oh, you do all your YouTube videos with it? Yeah. Is it really that good for you? I mean, is it worth having a RED? It's a large camera, right? It's heavy. Yeah, it started off not that great. And then I got used to it and then they got better. So it was probably like five years ago that I first started with a RED, a RED Scarlett. This 4K, 5K camera, and yeah, it's kind of a pain. But the workflow has gotten better.

They've worked with smaller teams, like individual creators even, to get the cameras now smaller. It does more in a smaller body. So it's gotten a lot easier to use a RED for a small team, whereas like, yeah, five years ago they were making a RED for a movie shoot with 15 people using it. Yeah. Yeah. So how much do they weigh now? I couldn't tell you a weight. I'd say probably between 6 and 10 pounds.

Oh, it's not bad at all. Yeah, because it's completely modular. You rig it up to be what you want. So you get that out the box, which is just the brain. What we're looking at for people just listening, it says Red Dragon on the side. Why is it called Red Dragon? You've got some names. It's pretty clutch looking. It looks really like a computer.

So that's what you're looking at is just the computer and the sensor and that side piece right there is the SSD reader. Everything else, all those pins you see on the top and on the side, that's where you connect what you want to make it the rig. So if you were doing this eight years ago, you would attach a viewfinder, you'd attach a couple monitors for directors, you would attach controls, more, yeah, all this follow focus, all this, the lens, obviously, the mount, all this stuff has to attach to it. But for just me and my use, I'd use it more kind of like what you might see in another image, which is just a monitor, an SSD, a controller, and a lens. And that does everything.

So is the idea eventually that this phone is going to be able to do everything that that does? So that, I think if you asked Red, they would say yes. But they aren't there yet, obviously. How could they release something and not have an amazing camera on it? Yeah. That seems crazy. That, I think, was what I think a lot of people were super hyped about because, obviously, Red's good with not just the – they make the silicon for the camera, but they're good at color science and autofocus and all these different things that cameras should be good at.

So when they come out with a phone that has a camera on it, you just kind of expect it to be amazing. Yeah. So when it's not the best, I kind of firmly believe this is the best camera. And you have, that's the Google Pixel 3. This Pixel 3, yeah, is the best camera in a phone. Are you a Google Pixel fanboy? At this point, I'm a fan of the camera, which has turned me into a fan of the rest of the

phone. Just the camera alone. It's an unusual camera in that it only has one fan of the camera, which has turned me into a fan of the rest of the phone. Just the camera alone. It's an unusual camera in that it only has one lens. One camera, yes. Yeah, there's one camera where everybody else is going with multiple cameras. Two, three, four. Google's doing everything with software. Yes, and I like that about it.

Now, is that the XL? It's the XL. It doesn't seem that big. It's kind of not that insane. I think everyone's into the notch, obviously, which is a little different from what you might see in an iPhone or a Huawei phone or something. But the software is very Google-y. The screen is much better than last year.

It's glass. It wireless charges. It's got all these things that last year's phone didn't have. But the camera is absolutely what makes that phone good. It's really that much better? It is that better what is so good about it uh it's like you said it's the software so what google does with hdr and essentially their image processing is a big part of why it's good you could put the same sensor and glass in another smartphone with way weaker software and it wouldn't look as good um but what they do with that image processing, it's a rolling buffer of images.

So you can take, it's like instant shutter. So as soon as you press the shutter, it's instant shutter. You freeze the motion. The dynamic range is great. The detail is great. And photos are amazing. I was amazed at the low light photos. Yeah.

Those are stunning. Yeah, the night mode. The best I had seen before that was the Huawei, the Mate RS, I guess it was. There's been a couple really good night modes in Huawei phones. Yeah, but this seemed even better than that. And it didn't seem distorted. It seemed like you realized it was at night, but you could see all the detail. Yeah, it's hard.

It's never going to look as good as daytime, but there's a – I don't have the update yet, but there's going to be an update to the Pixel that has night sight or another night mode that does the same thing, where it's taking a bunch of exposures and long exposures and uses stabilization and hopefully gets a much brighter image that looks way better than what we would get. What would be different from the update in comparison to what it does now? So right now, if you just take a photo at night, it'll just try to noise reduce all, like when you take a photo at night, there's a lot of grain,

you're pumping the ISO all the way up. And when you clean all that noise out, you are, it's kind of like airbrushing the image and that it's going to be softer. So if you do a lot of noise reduction, you lose all your detail. It's really soft. So low light photos just aren't as good.

But if you can take a longer exposure with better stabilization, you can not crank the ISO as high, not introduce as much noise, and then at the end of the day, have a more detailed, better looking photo. So that's the theory behind a lot of these night modes. How do they do that all in software? A lot of calibration, a lot of knowing exactly how good the optical image stabilization is in the lens, and then electronic stabilization as well. A lot of algorithms knowing what part of the photo is moving versus what isn't. So there's a lot of computational photography is

what it's called happening on the chip that makes it that good. It's just fascinating that Google is the only one who's doing this with one camera, as opposed to everyone else. Like, my iPhone has several cameras. Yeah. I have a Note 9, which I really like. And one of the other things about Google is it does not have a lot of RAM. No. I found that actually kind of an interesting weak point about this phone.

And I haven't even – I reviewed it, and I was kind of skeptical about – it's only 4 gigs of RAM, which, like, a couple a couple years ago wow four gigs of RAM on a phone that's amazing that's amazing but a lot of phones coming out now has six eight gigs of RAM well who has the most right now a phone just a gaming phone just came out with 10 gigs of RAM is it the Razer phone or a different one no another one I don't even remember the name but then there's also a Oppo Find X with 10 gigs of RAM but do you need that? No, you don't need it. What would be the benefit of having 10 gigs of RAM? Like what software would run?

Basically, the advantage to having more RAM is keeping apps open and running in the background longer. So if you have your camera and your Twitter and your Instagram and your web browser and all that, maybe a couple games all running at the same time. And then you multitask and switch between them. On a phone with less RAM, you'll find that you'll switch from the game to the browser. And you go back to the browser and it reloads everything because it completely garbage that from the memory after a while because it was trying to save space. So on a phone with four gigs of RAM, this happened to me a couple times where I'd be listening to music, and I'd open the camera and I'd take a few photos and then the music or the podcast or whatever would just stop. And it killed that app in the background with only four

gigs of RAM. I'm not doing that crazy things with multitasking. Just two things running. Just two. I think it might've been a bug because the camera uses a lot of memory and for whatever reason, it just picks the other big memory app and kills it. It's not very repeatable. I've had it happen to me since I landed yesterday like a couple times. But I think a phone with 6 or 8 gigs of RAM. The last phone I was using for a while was the OnePlus 6. It has 8 gigs of RAM, and that never happened to me.

Every time I'd multitask and go back 5, 10 apps ago and open it, it was right where I left off. Is the Google Pixel 3 your favorite phone, or is it just your favorite phone because of the camera? It is my favorite phone, period, and it also has the best camera. And is it your favorite phone because it has pure Google, because you have the latest Android? It's the latest Android, which is kind of hard to find.

And then you get, obviously, this pure Google experience and this amazing camera and a great display. And my priorities in a phone are pretty much along those lines. I need a great camera, and then I want a great display. I want good software, and then the rest kind of follows. And you want pure Google, right? You don't want to be operating under the Samsung skin. I don't mind a skin if it's good. There's a lot of skins like OnePlus has Oxygen OS and it's a skin technically. It's close to pure Google, but it's missing a lot of the pixel features, but it's fine. It's smooth.

It's great. Is OnePlus running the latest Android? No. No. Who is? It's Essential phone? So OnePlus, I think just got the Android P update think, just got the Android P update. Essential just got the Android P update. And then everyone else is on one version ago or older. Why is that a pain in the ass for them? Why can't it be universal? I have a bunch of theories on why they don't update their software as quickly as they probably could.

I think a lot of it in the US, especially has to do with carriers. When you have to get a when you want to push a software update to a phone on Verizon, for example, not only do you have to, like rewrite the software and optimize and everything, but then you have to submit it for like certification from Verizon, Verizon has to push that update. That whole introduction of the third party through the carrier is a huge pain in the ass. And then on top of that, I know a lot of people who when they get a software update, like actively avoid installing it, they just don't want change in their phone. So at the end of the day, like they put all that money and work into making a software

update, and half the people never install it or don't care, then they just figure they might as well not put the money there. So a lot of teams or a lot of manufacturers just don't. They don't. They support the phone for a year or two and then that's it. But for folks like you, for the power users, that's big. Like that's a big thing, having the latest and greatest. Definitely. Yeah. That's why I'm a fan of phones that keep the skin light and update quickly which is what you'll find with like pixel and essential and oxygen os and stuff like that and that's really it like samsung takes a long time to get to it yeah yeah as great as samsung

phones are they definitely are not first to get new software they're trying to do it quicker apparently what i've been reading but i guess there, there's a bunch of issues. Always bottleneck. Yeah. Now when, when you compare phones, like, do you have a checklist of things that you have like on a computer or is it just all off the top of your head? Like, do you, do you have like a rating system that you use a personal rating system? I don't have a rating. I do have a, like I do have a checklist of things that I definitely pay attention to every time. I go through screens, displays, and battery life and how good the camera is

and things like that, but I never come to a rating out of whatever. I used to do that a long time ago, but I stopped because it's kind of like a never-ending. You'll never get a 10 out of 10 basically because if you ever give something a 10 out of 10, the next one's going to be better, right?

So how do you put that on the scale? 10 out of 10 for October 2018? Can you say that? Yeah, I guess you'd be like, this is the best phone. Like I said, if I say this is the best phone right now, then maybe that's a, it's not a 10 out of 10, but it's like the best you can get. But that line just keeps moving.

So I don't give things numbers. See, for me, the things that you said that would be a pain in the ass that your music would shut off because you're using the camera that's yeah kind of big that's a pain in the ass yeah that it's not a 10 out of 10 because of i think the memory is a problem yeah uh the notch is bothering some people it doesn't bother me anymore it just kind of blends in i don't really look at the. So have you gone into the developer settings and fuck removal of the notch? I tried it. It wasn't that big a deal. Yeah. It just makes a big black bar over the top, right? Exactly. And you just lose the screen you paid extra for. That seems silly. I don't mind it on the iPhone. I mostly, mostly I use the excess

max, this one right here, but I'm so sour on Apple because of what they did with the batteries. Yeah. That was such a dirty thing to me because everybody had always suspected, like my friend Brian was always like, dude, I'm telling you, when the new phones come out, your old phone starts moving slower. I'm like, dude, that's a conspiracy. That's all horseshit. I'm like, your phone's just old, bro.

But then when I found out that it was real, I was like, you assholes. And to pretend. The problem was the way they didn't tell people like they could have just avoided like the whole whatever like pr we want whatever you want to call it by just telling people look this is what we do when your phone's getting older we need to preserve either the cpu or the battery so we need to either voltage down the cpu or save your. Pick one and give us a choice. They didn't tell us until people started suspecting things and they had to make a statement, and then it looked kind of dirty and hidden. I don't buy it.

Yeah. I think it's a trick to try to get you to buy new phones. There's no way they didn't think about that. Of course they thought about it. There's no chance they didn't think about that. Yeah. Why else would they do it that way? Why else wouldn't they just let the battery be slower or let the CPU be slower?

And the best part is they give you the choice now, but if you never look for it, you'll never find it. And they definitely still default to saving your battery by underclocking a chip. So your phone will still slow down if you don't know where to find that option in the settings. As soon as the new phones come out. Basically. You motherfuckers. It's just dirty. It seems pretty dirty, yeah.

Because it's the thing that everybody always suspected. Everybody always suspected there was some sort of engineered obsolescence. And they're doing this on purpose to get you to keep buying the newest, latest, and greatest. But I wanted to go, nah, Apple? Come on. Apple wouldn't do that. They're your friends. They paint this picture that's really upright and like, we want you to have the best experience

as long as possible, which involves not replacing your battery, which means we'll just slow down your phone just a little bit so that it lasts longer and the battery can keep up. Makes sense on paper. On paper. Well, there's a lot of things about apple that i really like i really love the the os i really love it i mean it's it's just so much better than windows but their keyboard sucks so bad on their laptop it's just all the laptop yeah clicky it just doesn't it doesn't feel good it's got shallow travel There's all these issues. I switched to a Lenovo. I went with a

ThinkPad. Just for stand-up, I have to write a lot. And I found out that I write way slower. Like maybe 10 words per minute slower. It's a real issue. Because it's like you make a lot more mistakes with those little shallow clicky things.

And with the Lenovo, you have much more travel it's much easier to touch type it just feels better for me but that bums me out it's like why can't they get that right like you you're making these things for creative people right that's your whole thing it's like think different you know that's another thing i kind of got like it's again like what apple tries to portray themselves as versus what you're actually experiencing if you never listen to Apple and you get the new laptop you're like wow this keyboard's worse yeah this sucks why is this keyboard so shallow and mushy yeah uh and then you're supposed to listen to Apple and they're like well we made it quieter we made it thinner so the laptop's

thinner now uh and they'll give you all these reasons why they did what they did and there's you're supposed to go oh okay yeah that actually makes sense maybe this is better but your experience often says the opposite so that's why people like to not listen to what apple says and just evaluate it without listening to that particularly for writers for someone who writes uh and you write on a regular basis, you want a comfortable keyboard. And, you know, I've constantly searched for the best keyboard. Right now I think it's probably the ThinkPad. But I've heard great things about the Razer, the Razer Pro,

which is the really large gaming one. It has a mechanical keyboard for the first time ever on a laptop. Yeah. And that's supposed to be really good. I have tried the Blade, and I have tried – what I'm using right now is the Surface – the Microsoft Surface Laptop 2, and that's got a pretty good keyboard. Yeah. It travels a lot. It's backlit. And then the actual laptop part itself is not metal.

It's got, like, Alcantara, like you might see inside a car, like a soft touch on the laptop. Really? I have it in my backpack, yeah. Oh, pull that out. Go grab that. I'll go grab that. It's kind of – Alcantara?

Yeah. Like fake suede. Yeah. Like what you see in a car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the craziest shit I've ever heard in my backpack. Oh, pull that out. Go grab that. I'll go grab that. It's kind of... Alcantara? Yeah. Like fake suede. Yeah. Like what you see in a car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the craziest shit I've ever heard in my life. Alcantara.

Yeah, the Razer... Pull up that Razer Blade Pro 2 if you get a chance. We'll look at the surface first because he's going to go grab that. But the Razer Blade Pro is also...

It's an enormous laptop and it has the... Yeah, that's it right there. the Razer Blade Pro is also an enormous laptop, and it has the, yeah, that's it right there. The Razer Blade Pro is so big and wide that it actually has the mouse on the side like a trackpad. This is it, huh? So that's the Surface Laptop 2. Oh, wow. How weird.

And the keyboard's pretty good. It's like a polished Alcantara. Ooh, that feels good. Yeah. The question, though, whenever you see that material is, like, if I'm putting my palms on that all the time, how long will that last? Will it start to, like, thin out and look kind of worn after a while? Or will it stay looking like that?

I hope it does. And also the whole laptop's matte black, which is, I think that looks dope. But that's also usually a fingerprint magnet when you carry around like a matte black thing you get like all this this grease on it or whatever carrying it so like that's a challenge for that laptop but i love it well the other thing about the difference between the keyboard on this versus the keyboard on what i have is i have the Lenovo Carbon X1. And what I really like about this is that they're not flat. They have like a little bit of like a dip to them.

So your fingers sort of sit in them a little bit. Yeah, there's like a little bit of a. Yeah, that's smart. I wish more. So like you kind of, it's easier. Oh, yeah, it's easier to touch type when you have. Like the spot. Yeah. Why don't people figure that out? I think all of it is just you kind of, it's easier to, oh, yeah, it's easier to touch type when you have, like, the spot. Yeah. Why don't people figure that out?

I think all of it is just you get used to it. Like, there's a Google tablet that came out recently with a $200 keyboard accessory that has circular keys and slightly concave. But, like, typing on it was fine. And, like, they claim, like, oh, yeah, once you get used to it, like, the surface area of the key being circular makes it easier to type faster after a while huh i don't know if i buy that yet but maybe if you were a secretary and you're really you're really used to the circular it looks like a typewriter when you just look at it which one is it pull that thing up that would be the google what do they call it something tab it It came out the same time the Pixel 3, and their naming is weird with them. But it has basically a Surface-like $200 keyboard magnet accessory.

You can prop it up at any angle, and it goes from a tablet to a laptop with this keyboard dock. Huh. And then it's kind of interesting. But the circular keys I found weird. That Alcantara on the hand rest feels amazing. Yeah. That's really nice. Yeah.

I think I'm going to get used to that. I've been using a MacBook Pro for so long, like, the contrast is, like, I was really used to, like, having metal. And, like, metal feels premium and good. It's like it's not going to wear down. But I like this a lot, actually. Well, what metal doesn't feel good, though, is on your hands when you're sitting on it for a long time. The edges. Yeah, the edges.

Yeah, they kind of got the edges right where, like, they wrap the material around to the sides. Yeah. The MacBook Pro is literally sharp. Yeah, it cuts you kind of. If you put your hands on the edge for too long. This Lenovo is carbon fiber. Nice. So this whole thing is...

It's not cheap, though. No, it's not cheap. Yeah. In comparison to a Mac laptop, though, it is. And there's way more options. That's the other thing. With a Mac, you get like a 13-inch, you get a 15-inch, you get a touch bar, or you get nothing. Yeah.

What's the matter, Jamie? Pixel Slate. I just had it there. The picture changed. Oh, these motherfuckers. That's what it's called, though. Pixel Slate. There it is.

Oh, there it is. My favorite name. Okay. So those are the keys. Those are your circular keys. And that sort of connects to the tablet. It's a great accessory. Like, the magnet on the back, like, I don't know if you've seen a Surface, the tablet

with the little kickstand, you kind of have, like, a couple notches where you can adjust it. And I think the new version has infinite adjustment, but this is the same thing. Like, there's a magnet in the back of the surface or the pixel slate that lets you adjust the tablet to any angle, watch videos, type. Apple's the only company that makes keyboards that I know that had it better in like 2012

than they do in 2018. If you get a 2012 MacBook, you go, ooh, this is kind of better. There's more travel. Yeah, you might think it's like better. There's more travel. Yeah. You might think it's like an upgrade if they went backwards. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. That's goofy. What the fuck? I kind of agree. I don't know how they did that. Yeah. They're so design-oriented. I mean, everything looks stellar.

That's what it is. Apple has been not a victim of their own desire to make great design, but they often, very often, make compromises, sometimes to the detriment of how good a product can be, to make it look better. A classic example was the Mac Pro, the little circular trash can-looking Mac Pro that came out in 2012 or something like that.

They made all these promises. It's this sleek, modern workstation. It's going to have the Xeon chips and big GPUs. And I loved it, but it only had one fan for a $7,000 workstation. And they constantly overheated and would throttle. And eventually, it was a nightmare for them. Wasn't that something that was going on with the latest laptops? With the latest MacBook Pros? Oh, yeah, yeah. Same thing. Same thing.

They made the i9. The Core i9, they put in this super thin laptop. They made this laptop so thin, and they kept the fan speed so low because it's got to be quiet. Very quiet. So they just throttled the CPU down so it wouldn't get so hot that they had to kick up the fans that high. So the actual performance, even though the CPU is more powerful, was not as good as the last model. Right. That's fucking stupid.

Which was to make it look good. Exactly. So, yeah, Apple's been a victim of their own, like, desire to make things so beautiful. And then they got fucked by Huawei because Huawei came along with the Matebook. And the Matebook Pro is really a better version of the MacBook. I'm into it, yeah. They fucking nailed it.

There's no bezels. The way that webcam pops up from the button. That I found interesting. I don't know how- It's like- It's a weird angle. It's like up your nostrils. Exactly.

It's like on the table level of wherever you're sitting, kind of looking up at you. That's very odd. But yeah, there's a lot of great things about that, but- Pull that thing up. MateBook Pro, Huawei, but meanwhile, it's probably spying on you all day long. Yeah, That's very odd. But yeah, there's a lot of great things about that. Pull that thing up. MateBook Pro, Huawei. But meanwhile, it's probably spying on you all day long. Yeah. Sending information to the Chinese government.

Yeah. Huawei's reputation is not so hot. They just found some spy chip in their cell phones. Oh, you're talking about the – well, there's a couple things that just happened with chips in hardware. There's another thing about Bloomberg report. Did you see that? Yes.

Of the chips that came from all these, this server company, or this company that makes the chips that sells to all these big companies like Apple and major, major companies, and now everyone's compromised. And Apple's like, nope, not true. Definitely not true. Don't say that of course not us yeah no 100% not us but like yeah that's that's a really weird story look at this Matebook like the bezels they're almost non-existent that is a gorgeous website if you're a gorgeous laptop

brother if you're Huawei and you make that now you have to convince people to switch from the MacBooks that they love to that. Yes. Just on looks alone, they could probably do it. But then there's all the other features like, well, it doesn't run Mac OS X. Do I have iMessage? Right. Do I have all these other things that I like about my Mac? This huge touchpad.

Right. Well, it does have a huge touchpad. Yes. But I'd say to this day, still, Apple has the best laptop touchpads, the multi-touch stuff. The battery life is supposed to be excellent as well, right? Yeah. Look at that chart. That chart was perfect because that's like all these Xs for that.

Yes, we have great design. We have better ports. You only have USB-C on that little MacBook Pro. We have full-size USB. We have all this stuff. We'll give audio to the MacBook Pro. It's got bigger speakers, whatever. But we have a-size USB. We have all this stuff. We'll give audio to the MacBook Pro. It's got bigger speakers, whatever. But we have a better battery life.

We have all this better lower price, all this stuff. And you still have to reconcile with what people love about their MacBook Pros, which is Mac OS X. Well, there's that, but there's also people love having an Apple product. That too. They do love that. If you could put an Apple logo on a Huawei, I wonder how many they could sell. Probably be a little better. Sell the shit out of them.

Yeah. Well, you know, some comic has a joke about texting a girl and the text message comes back in green. You go, damn, she's poor. It's a true thought people have. Yes. People want iMessage. Like if you're messaging someone and you find out it won't send an iMessage you'll

only send a text message like oh it's weirdo either they have a flip phone like some cave person i've been on the other side of that like i carry an iphone but i don't i text people on my android phone so i've never been on the uh judging side but i i wonder about that every day like really what does it matter like i text you with a green bubble, which Apple decided, first of all, to differentiate iMessage versus text message, which is hilarious. Who cares? Well, the blue does look better. I'm sure they decided to. I'm sure in a software update they tweaked that green to make it look extra harsh.

Well, you know, what it is is they figured out with pool tables a long time ago. Like, pool tables, the cloth generally is green right but when they started playing in professional tournaments they realized that blue cloth is actually easier on the eyes and you could differentiate differentiate the edges better so a lot of like really high-end professional matches are played on blue cloth now it's like a light blue sky blue cloth. Yeah. I've seen, and that's, I guess, because of the way your eyes work.

Yeah. Like something about primary colors and the cones and you're more contrast sensitive to blue or something like that. I don't know. Well, it's something about the way the way white contrasts with green is not quite as pleasing as white contrasting with blue. Word. But it could be that Apple's fucking with you with the green.

They give you some vomit green. Make it some brown color next year. Yeah. The color of the app is green. Why wouldn't they make it blue? iMessage, the app, that button you press to open it is green. It's a green logo. Why not make it blue?

That's really true. Yeah, what the fuck? That's a very good point, Jamie. Yeah, why did they do that? Why would it be green when you're sending blue messages, Apple? That's a very good point, Jamie. Yeah, why did they do that? Why would it be green when you're sending blue messages? Apple. That's weird. You dorks.

Steve Jobs is dead. You guys are fucked. You don't know what you're doing. Design. But the Matebook, other than that, it's supposed to have a better keyboard. It's supposed to have a keyboard that's probably similar to that Surface Book. And it's supposed to have better battery life. Bezel-less. Yeah, bezel-less. Touchscreen. Touchscreen. Higher resolution. But you got to deal with Windows 10, which is a little bit of a pain in the ass, I got to admit. It's like the

updates are almost daily. There's something going on with firmware or something going on with this or that. I've gotten used to it mostly though because most of what i do on my laptop is pretty web-based so i'm just living in chrome or safari or whatever so it's not a big deal but then yeah once i have to go out and i'm gonna go in lightroom and do some photo work and then like suddenly i'm digging through files and i'm in windows and it's then you start to feel like you're different yeah when you first time you have to update a driver you like what is it 1996 fuck is going on here? I'm updating drivers. I try to avoid that. Oh It's just they're close though like it's way better than it was five years ago

Yeah, you know five years ago. You would look at windows be like this is like some archaic pixelated came from Vista to Windows 7 to Windows 10. Vista was kind of that nightmare, and then they kind of have worked upwards. I started with Windows 95. I used to make my own computers back in my hardcore video gaming days. Nice. I used to go to Fry's Electronics and get motherboards and the box and fans.

I started that online. So I never went to a physical computer store to buy parts. But I would have to do the whole, like, cross-referencing what's compatible with what online. And then put together a whole list and then just buy it. And then nine boxes show up. And, like, hopefully they all work. Yeah. But, yeah, it was the same experience.

Yeah. And SLI video cards and connecting them with that cable and all that cable. You ever mess up and break one? Oh, yeah. Yeah. But fixing it makes you feel like you did something. Well, there's something going on when you're like the jumpers for the motherboard and you're moving stuff around. It was cool. Yeah.

And then once you actually got online with a computer you made yourself, you're like, this is something about this. And I remember when you used to be able to do that with Apple. You used to be able to buy clones. Yeah. I mean, my, so I, way back in the day, still in high school, I had a Dell XPS like 730, I think it was called, this huge desktop where, again, you could like take the CPU cooler out, put a new one in.

It was modular fully. And then Apple also made this huge desktop, this Power Mac, or I don't know what it was called at the time, but it was, again, massive. You could take the graphics card out, put a new one in. You could take the RAM out, take the CPU out, but it was like this weird system where they were on decks, and you

had to take this big metal slot out, and then do the CPU there, and then put it back in. It was really satisfying to change the hardware, and like, yeah, I did that. And then you boot it up and it's like, that's exactly right. Now it's got eight gigs of RAM. Yeah. There's some, especially, I don't know.

I think it's a man thing too. Men like changing carburetors. The mechanical feel. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably a lot to do with it too. Yeah. That's it.

That thing. Yeah. I remember that sucker. One generation after that. Cause that whole, that it had like basically even one generation after that, because that whole, it had basically elevator levels to it, like the top level and then the bottom level and then the hard drives and the power supply

and the top, like all that stuff. And you could mess with that. If you go over someone's house and they have that now, you're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? But that's the thing about like, that was the most accessible, modular desktop Apple ever, ever made.

And now they're making this promise again, like, all right, we listened, we know that little trash can Mac Pro was not good thermally or design wise for anyone. So we're going to make a modular professional desktop Mac Pro again. That's what they said. And it's going to be next year sometime. And I keep picturing that I picture them going back to the roots of like a real bona fide desktop. Because right now the most powerful iMac or Mac you can get is the iMac Pro. And you can't even update the RAM in the iMac Pro. Really? You can't update anything about iMac Pro.

Really? Yeah. What you buy is what you get. If you buy a $7,000 iMac Pro, you will have that spec forever. Apple doesn't want you opening anything in that thing. So when they say yeah, we're gonna make a modular, updatable, real well designed Apple desktop. I'm like, I really hope they're doing that. Like exactly because that's I love that. Do they have regular towers anymore? No. No. Everything's an iMac? They had that little trash can and then the Mac Mini, which is the longest since they've ever updated it. I'm hoping

they update it at the event this month, but the Mac Mini is the only other tower they made and that's got laptop internals. So not really a true desktop. So everything, is that just because of technology's advanced to the point where you can kind of fit everything in the big screen of an iMac? Basically, yeah. I mean, the iMac, they have those desktop internals in it. But, yeah, like, you're still going to be restrained by, like, how closed off that space is, how many fans they can fit in there. space is, how many fans they can fit in there. So if they really want to do a true desktop,

they've got to open it up and make it huge, which is not very like Apple, so it's going to be interesting to see what they do. Yeah. What year is your laptop over there? That's an older one, right? This is the last one before they added the track bar. The last one that glows. Yeah, it's like 2015.

Does yours have a dip at all to the keys? I chose to look at it. Yeah, it's like 2015. Does yours have a dip at all to the keys? That's what I was looking at. Yeah, very small. But that's all you need. All you need is a very small dip. It's not flat. As soon as they went with flat, they fucked up.

There's a company that refurbishes 17-inch MacBooks. Yeah. The big one, the Mac Daddy. These have a 17-inch laptop. They refurbish it and put a modern CPU in it. They put a big SSD drive, like a 1TB or 2TB SSD drive.

So you deal with a solid state drive, so it instantly fires up. Much more RAM, much more everything. Yeah, that's what they call a desktop replacement laptop. Yeah. I was into that for a while. That was like one of my, that's actually how I started my channel was I bought a 17-inch laptop. And I was trying to figure out which one, like, strikes the balance of where I want to be with taking it off the dock once in a while and walking around the house maybe but, like, planting it back here and it's my desktop and it's a 17-inch screen. That was where I, like, started.

And the good thing is – I ended up with an HP. That was where I started. I ended up with an HP. If you're at the airport and you have a canceled flight, you could get a workout in just lifting that thing. In front of you, go to the side, go to the side. That's the other thing. I was on the plane with this. This is like a 12-inch screen, and every time the guy in front of me leaned back, he just smacked my laptop.

I had to move it. You really need a 12-inch, a 9-inch screen probably to get away with. That's 12 inches? Can you flip that around? This is a 12 or 13-inch screen, but it's, like, a taller 3 to 2 aspect ratio. So it's not, like, the smaller 16 by 9 screen would be underneath, like, where that guy was hitting my screen. So most of the bezel seems like it's on the bottom. Yeah.

Yeah, it's your chin at the bottom here. I mean, it's a pretty good-sized bezel, but I'm still hoping for a bezel-less laptop. Have you ever thought about going with the Huawei? Not really, mostly because I switch laptops so infrequently that I was just like, if it's not massively better than the MacBook Pro, I don't really feel the need to switch.

This came out on my radar in the last two weeks, and I decided to try it. And it's been worth the shot. I'm really into it. I'm probably going to switch back to the MacBook Pro in a little while once I start to run up against things like this doesn't have USB-C, which is sad. That's weird. And eventually that's

going to bite me, and when I do, I'm going to want to switch back. A new Microsoft laptop that doesn't have USB-C doesn't really make a lot of sense. It doesn't at all. Why'd they do that? I have no idea. I want to ask them. It's a great laptop. It doesn't have, the charger is this weird, like, it's not like MagSafe, but it's this

like slot charger thing where it like goes in and out easily, but also doesn't have a card reader. Also doesn't have- Really? Like doesn't have a lot of things that I hoped a laptop would have. This thing is everything. This thing has regular USB, USB-C card reader. This has one full size USB port,

a headphone jack, and what looks like This has HDMI. Yeah, this does not have that. I'm a big fan of this thing. And then they make a 15-inch version of it as well. This is the, I guess, I don't know how big that is. So what do you do, like, mostly on the laptop stuff? Mostly writing. Writing and then getting online.

Just online bullshit. But no software, really. I'm not really running anything other than writing programs. Microsoft Word, which is native, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could probably get away with any number of similar laptops. So at that point, you basically pick the design you like best.

And if it has the ports you need, then you're good. But if you find yourself, like, if I'm a, I like to do photo editing a lot. And so basically I have to have some way to read memory cards. MacBook Pro doesn't. It just has a lot and so basically i have to have some way to read memory cards macbook pro doesn't it just has a lot of usb-c ports so i just have that dongle plug in the usb card reader and then i'm good this one i'll have to get a usb card reader also for it and then get light room and then i'm good you'll have to get a regular usb card reader yeah which is like which is five years ago a little less common still easy to find but like It's kind of dorked out. Eventually it'll be like 2020, and I'm like, I don't want this in 2020.

Yeah, that Razer Pro, the Razer Blade Pro that we were talking about, what's interesting about that is it has a trackpad on the right-hand side, like a mouse, like as if the mouse is on the right. Yeah. And then it has this enormous keyboard. Yeah. And a mechanical keyboard, which I'm a really big fan of. I like those clicky mechanical...

It's a true desktop replacement. Yeah. Look at that thing. Yeah. It's massive. Plus, look at all the cool colors. It's so pretty. I have the 15-inch with the RGB.

They love their RGB. I still, that's such a Razer thing because they have a phone now. I don't know if you know the Razer phone. Yeah, I have it. The Razer phone 2 has RGB glowing backlight. It's hilarious, but that's their own aesthetic. What does RGB stand for? Just red, green, blue. Oh, okay.

The fact that you can cycle between colors or whatever at any time is almost pointless. It's technically a backlight, which is useful, but other than that, you're just kind of, you know, you get into the gamer aesthetic, which is pretty fun. Yeah. Well, it's a fantastic thing if you're into games. Like that thing, literally, you can play high-end games at very high frame rates. And, you know, I don't know what kind of battery life it has. Probably not that great.

It's a 4K. But so much juice and so much screen and that's a so that's a 4k laptop with a desktop gpu in it so there's a 4k model versus a full hd mode model and i think the 4k has a lower max frame rate if i'm not so what is the difference in full hd model so i think the full HD model is a higher, yeah, 120 hertz 1080p or probably 60 hertz 4K. Yeah. So if you're gaming, you'll probably go with the 1080p,

but then you get your higher frame rates and you'll enjoy games better on that. But if you're photo editing, then you'll probably go with the 4K and you get that desktop power or video editing, for example. But I don't think the battery life would be very long on a 4K laptop. It seems hard to imagine.

It's so big. Yeah. Like, find out what it says in terms of the battery life. Like, if you're just playing a game and you're not plugged in, you're kind of fucked. Yeah. If you're that guy, you're walking around with the power cable all the time. Yeah.

100%. You're walking to a new room, plugging it in, and then setting up there. Yeah. If you're that guy, you're walking around with the power cable all the time. Yeah. 100%. You're walking to a new room, plugging it in, and then setting up there. Yeah. Which is better than a desktop, technically. But yeah, you're walking around with the power all the time. Yeah. Better than a desktop, technically. But is it as powerful as a desktop?

Almost. Like if you get a real gaming desktop. Almost. I think their goal is to get as close to a desktop as they reasonably can and then give you the ability to take it places quickly. What does this say about the... Oh, you fucking motherfucker. Disable... Every website ever, man.

Everybody's pop-ups. Ugh. So gross. Look at this world we live in now. Why do I want notifications from your website? I saw a great GIF the other day. Am I saying that right? GIF of like every website where like you go on to this.

You don't even get to the content. It's just. Three hours, 52 minutes battery life. Yeah, sounds about right. Movie test. For just watching a movie. That's still pretty hilariously low. So that means you're at 100%, you watch a movie, and then it's dead.

Yeah, that's hilariously low. So that means you're at 100%, you watch a movie, and then it's dead. Yeah, that's hilariously low. Yeah. Because if you watch a movie on a MacBook Pro, like, you've got plenty of juice left after that movie's over. You might be able to watch three or four movies. There you go. There's the battery. 99 watt hour battery. That's actually a huge battery.

But still. Yeah. That's one of the things that I like about, not this model of Lenovo, but some of the ThinkPads have a swappable battery that you could swap while it's on. Oh, what? Yes. Oh, yeah. I used to be able to do that.

Yeah, that's definitely rare. Two batteries. There's an internal battery and there's an external battery. So you pop out the external battery, which is a big, thick band in the back. If you want to get the full jammy that goes like 25 fucking hours. And if you pop that sucker out, you could do it while this is still running and it doesn't shut off.

Pop the new one in, bam. Hot swapping. Hot swapping. But I haven't had a laptop with that since like seven years ago probably. It's been a long time. Yeah. Well, I think ThinkPads are mostly business oriented.

That's really mostly what people are using them for. Yeah. Well, I think ThinkPads are mostly business oriented. I mean, that's really mostly what people are using them for. Yeah. But it's, you know, there's that balance of like, what are you looking for? Like, are you looking for something that can do everything? Are you looking for something that's just, I mean, most people, for a lot of people, you could really get by with one of those Google Chromebooks that doesn't have much storage at all. That's where I'll probably end up getting my parents into a lot. Like if your parents or grandparents don't really need much of a computer, but all they need to do really is email someone, maybe go to a website or two, watch an online movie.

You just need a web browser. So like a Chromebook is great. Yeah. So much is in the cloud. Yeah. You know, I mean, so many people keep their photos in the cloud. As long as you have an internet connection, you're good. You're good.

But in terms of like local storage. Yeah, that's another one of the things about, especially when I was talking about this phone, not only does it only have 4 gigs of RAM, it also only has 64 gigs of storage. That's it? There's a 64 and a 128. And there's a lot of phones now that have like 256, 512, and then expandable storage via microSD. And the reasoning Google is giving, which I actually subscribe to, is everything just goes through the cloud. Like the only thing I keep offline is my Spotify library and podcasts. So my whole Spotify whatever is like 30 gigs.

And then whatever podcasts I have is a couple more gigs. I don't need a 512 gig phone for everything I usually keep offline. I have a couple of big apps, but not really. And then all the photos I take get uploaded automatically to Google Photos in full resolution. And I never really have to keep all of them locally. So every photo I've ever taken in full resolution is on my phone, even though I only have 128 gigs of storage. Now, when you use the Google version of whatever iPhoto is, iPhoto uploads everything to the cloud.

It's really simple. When you get a new phone, everything loads up to it. Does the same thing happen with Google? Same thing, Google Photos. Basically just as good? Yeah, and you can use it on an iPhone, which is, you don't have to, but yeah. Really? Google Photos. I have Google Photos on my iPhone. So every time I take great photos on this phone, they're on my iPhone. Oh, that is actually nice. So having the app is pretty useful.

That's nice. Yeah. And I know there's a thing that's one of the things that people really love about iPhones is that AirDrop feature. That's very nice. Yeah. That's one of the best Apple-only features. Yeah. But don't they have an Android? There's an Android drop too, phones is that airdrop feature that's very nice yeah that's one of the best apple only features yeah but don't they have an android there's an android drop too now i know that because i've used it yeah send things from my samsung phone to my apple phone um possibly so there's it's not like a first party thing so nfC is useful when I want to send something between two Android phones at an NFC. But this is something I recently,

I wasn't really using AirDrop until recently. And then I was like, oh, wait, I do have a Mac and an iPhone. I can just transfer files back and forth. And we started doing that in the office a lot, which we have a bunch of Macs and iPhones in the office. So we started passing files back and forth. And then one day I was trying to do it on my Android phone. I was like, wow, which we have a bunch of Macs and iPhones in the office. So we started like passing files back and forth. And then one day I was trying to do it on my Android phone. I was like, wow, this is like a bummer.

I have to go into like Dropbox and upload it and then download it. And just this couple extra steps were a pain and it made me really appreciate how good AirDrop is. But AirDrop is pretty good. Apple's really good at making things super simple. Like you don't ever really have to update things until the OS updates, and it's pretty rare. Yeah.

Everything works really good. You don't really even worry about viruses or anything like that. There's a lot they do that's really excellent. Yeah. But I feel like they're running on the momentum of Steve Jobs' maniacal vision. You know?

Yeah. Don't you kind of? There's been a lot of Apple's changed or Apple's not the same since No More Steve, which is true, obviously. But they're also like their momentum. Like, how can you not? Like, they're insane. They're a trillion-dollar company now. They continue to make iPhones that look the same that they did nine years ago.

Why not? And if people keep buying them, of course, they'll probably never have a reason to change a lot of those things. It's just a different kind of company now before. I mean he was generally regarded as an asshole, like just a crazy, whip-cracking. Micromanaging. Yeah like just a crazy yeah whip cracking micromanaging yeah just just a nut like there's that famous thing of him trying to use i forget what the device was but it wasn't used it wasn't working during one on stage yeah i remember that live and he threw it yeah he's like it it was casual but it was hilarious it was like there was anger to it though well because someone definitely got fired like within minutes of that happening. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's happened on stage. Things mess up on stage. Yeah. It's going to happen. A couple years ago, there was an Apple event where I'm pretty sure Steve was on stage trying to get something to work, like in a demo. And if you've ever been or seen an Apple event, the entire audience or half of it, half of the audience is just people typing, blogging exactly what's going on. So they're all connected to the internet.

They're live blogging. Yeah, so Steve is like, get me one that works. Look at his face. This is the thing. Back that up a little bit and give me some volume. Look at this. It's not turning on. Here.

Here, take that. Okay. We'll let an expert see if he can turn it on. Got him. We'll let an expert see if he can turn it on. Yeah. There's an anger. Yeah.

Well, you know, he was like, you motherfuckers. How is that my speech? After the show, he was definitely doing that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so there's another event where, like, something wasn't working, and he's like, I need everyone in this room to turn your Wi-Fi off so that this will work. Everyone, I need everyone to stop blogging, close your laptops,

get off the Wi-Fi, and then this will work. And it was kind of like a couple minutes of, like, ha, that's funny. Maybe, is he serious? And, like, slowly, like, everyone did close their, he's like, everyone get off the Wi-Fi. Everyone close your computers right now. And this is going to work. What was the issue?

I don't remember exactly. It was, it must've been some wireless related getting something to load or work. But that was pretty hilarious to me. I feel like if you want things to operate at the speed of Apple when he was alive, you kind of have to be a fucking crazy asshole. Yeah. You have to have that next level. First of all, you need a vision of what you want it to be, and then you need to be insane enough to try to get people to do that.

Well, he also was, according to, is this it right here? Yeah. Oh, Safari demo. Yeah. Sorry, guys. I don't know what's going on. It's a four minute video, but this is...

Yeah, so it's failing to load. So everyone's using the local Wi-Fi and the Wi-Fi is just getting taxed. The event Wi-Fi is getting crushed.

Someone said Verizon. Yeah, fuck AT&T Yeah Yeah he was just having Wi-Fi issues with that Let's see if I can find The moment where he said it Yeah 20 minutes later

So yeah I don't know. Why did it crash? in this room. Okay? We can't deal with that. So we have two choices. Either I've got some more demos that are really great that I'd like to show you. So we either turn off all the stuff and see the demos or we give up

and I don't show you the demos. Would you like to see the demos or not? Okay. I think everyone's hoping he'll just like try again and they don't have to turn it off. Yeah. Look at that.

And the whole crowd is everyone. The only reason they're there is to live blog. Yeah. look at the and the whole crowd is everyone the only reason they're there is to live blog yeah so like alright one last tweet because Steve's telling me to turn the wifi off

30 minutes hey Johnny that's for FaceTime now that's another thing like FaceTime is another proprietary thing that Apple has it's really excellent

yep and it's built in to the contacts it works perfectly yeah you know just everyone with an iphone you can do it with them just pow pow i would like that's a massive that and iMessage are like two of the biggest reasons people refuse to even try an android phone so i'm like all right well clearly google's mission should be to get iMessage on Android, right? Like that should be like a, and Apple will never let that happen. They know that they can hold people hostage on iOS as long as they want if they can't get iMessage anywhere else and FaceTime and things like that.

iMessage, FaceTime, AirDrop, walled garden. Yep. Wonderful walled garden of Apple. I made a whole video about this. The whole ecosystem. It's real. It's a real major advantage. Yeah, it really is. And they've got that nailed. They really do.

Google's tried to make their own versions of these things too. Well, just like they tried to do Google+. And everybody was like, yeah, good luck with that. I have a friend who was an executive at Google. It was hilarious. She was always telling me how great Google Plus is. I'm like, that shit's dead in the water. The thing is, Google Plus, even though only nine people used it, it was great.

I'm sure. It was really good. All the things that they let you do that I wish Facebook would let us do, like sharing with certain groups of people and all these different things with circles. It was kind of a shit show with how they did it, but it's good. It was good. Anyway, so it's going to die now, and that's kind of sad.

It is finally going to die. Yeah, they had this whole security breach thing, which is also a weird story, but then eventually they're like, you know what? We're shutting it down. Really? Yeah.

I want to call my friend up and go, ha, ha, told you. So it's going to be finally no more Google Plus but like Google keeps trying to do this, they keep calling it like a universal message service and everyone's like, oh, iMessage

for Android, you're going to make your own, great. And they make a Allo Duo Hangouts like they have all theseo, Duo, Hangouts. They have all these halfway there things that kind of tie into Android and are sort of like FaceTime and iMessage, but not really. And it's just not well done, and it's not convincing anyone. Now, I know there's been some third-party attempts to figure out how to put iMessage on Android phones. And that you can get some sort of an app that allows you to use iMessage. It's probably really clunky and forwardy.

Yeah. Yeah, I haven't tried that. I haven't either. I imagine it's horrible. Yeah, I have the Note 9, like I said, and I was thinking about switching over to it, and I was like, oh, I'll use this pen. I never used that pen once. Yeah, that's the thing.

it and I was like, oh, I'll use this pen. I never used that pen once. Yeah, that's the thing. As a reviewer, I'm always trying to figure out what is a real genuine use it every day feature that's worth paying extra for and what is a cool demo feature that'll get you to brag about the phone and show your friends, but you'll never use it. Yeah. And I've always been split on the S Pen. Is that a thing people really use all the time?

And I've been like kind of somewhat convinced there's people who like, yeah, I use the S Pen every day. I take notes on my phone. I use that app. And I'm like, I try. I try. I had this little point where I was like, yeah, I'm going to do lock screen notes. Every time I want to remember something, I'm going to write it down. And I just never got into it.

I want to remember something. I'm going to write it down. And I just never got into it. So, like, I'm usually pretty good about, like, dividing things into buckets of, like, yes, this is something we will use and is worth paying. This is dumb, but it's really cool to demo, and it will just sell people and they'll never use it again. Those two buckets are very clear. The S Pencil has been in the middle for me. The lock screen thing is weird, too, because it doesn't work that smooth.

The lock screen notes. It's gotten better. Yeah. It's a little clunky. And then you don't just doesn't work that smooth. The lock screen notes. It's gotten better. Yeah. It's a little clunky. And then you don't just get it right there. It saves it to notes. So you have to go to notes to get it. And then you have to go to the notes app. Yeah.

Yeah. My thought was, I'm going to use this, and I'm going to put my set list on my phone. And that way, any time I go to the lock screen, the set list will be there. I'll just be able to scroll through my set list when I go on stage. Yeah. But it doesn't work like that. It's not there. No, I got to go to notes. Right. I'm like, well, what is this then? Yeah. Yeah. So it's just kind of weird. Halfway there. But I want to talk to someone who's like, yeah, I buy the note every year because I got to have the pen. There's got to be something up there. That's what I think. Well, one thing that is kind of cool about it that I've never used

once, but kind of cool about it is the fact that you can use that pen as a remote control. Yeah, that's definitely a— Take photographs. Firmly in the second bucket of, like, great demo. Look, I'm halfway across the room taking a selfie. That's cool, right? Yeah. Yeah, and then you'll never use that again.

Never use it. And then also using it as a remote control for music and for video. You can map it to all kinds of crazy things. It's actually a really well thought out feature. Like it's Bluetooth and the S Pen has its own battery now. So you put the battery in the phone and it charges the stylus very quickly. In a couple seconds, you get like half the battery. Like it's really well thought out.

Yeah. But am I ever going to use that? Probably not. Yeah. The battery is huge too. It's got a 4,000 milliamp battery as opposed to the iPhone, which is, what, 30? Even the big one's like a 31 or 3,200. Is that low?

Yeah. But, I mean, iPhones have never needed the number on paper to be big to be well-optimized. Because of software. Yeah, software. But they've done tests where they did benchmark tests between the Note and the iPhone X. What is it, Max? The XS Max. How do you say it?

XS Max. Yeah. It's not. The Note crushes it. Yeah. Yeah, no. Samsung's getting better with optimization too, which is awesome that they crush it.

They used to be kind of scared of batteries in the Notes for obvious reasons. Yeah, I wonder why. But they've finally gotten better at that, and they're doing really well. It's amazing that they bounced back from that at all, because people fucking died, didn't they? That's insane. I don't think anyone died. Well, one guy, I don't know what happened to him, but there was a famous guy who was a tech guy who died because his battery exploded and his house caught on fire, and he died in the fire.

Really? I don't know what phone he was using, though. Wow. I don't think it was a Wow. He was some, some, I want to say he was a cryptocurrency guy. I follow the Note pretty closely because that was, I had a couple of them just because, like, I was in the middle of reviewing it and using it. I carried one every day. Starts getting banned, starts getting caught on fire. You can't fly with it. and all the cases of, because it started off with not only were the Note 7s starting to explode,

but they started recalling them and sending people replacements, and then the replacements started to explode. At that point, I was like, this is amazing. I need to follow this very closely. He had a BlackBerry and a Huawei, and they don't know which one exploded. Probably the Huawei. Probably the assassination. I never. That's a weird. He actually was a CEO. He's a cradle fund CEO. and they don't know which one exploded. Probably the Huawei. Probably the assassination. I've never...

Yeah. That's a weird... He actually was a CEO. He's a cradle fund CEO, Nazrin Hassan. And it caught his whole house on fire. Yeah, he died after his smartphone exploded and caught fire in his bedroom. That is really extreme, yeah.

It's a fucked up way to go. They can't mess around. So when your phone starts exploding in your Samsung, you have to fix that. There was that famous video of the guy who parked his car in the driveway and put his phone in the charger and left it there. And he came outside to his car bursting into flames. His whole car was on fire. Oh, my God.

That's horrible, especially in a gas car with literal flammable liquids in it. Right. Yeah, luckily it wasn't in his garage. It was in his driveway. That is nuts. Fuck. Yeah, it's amazing they've bounced back from that, though, because they really have. Yeah.

Actually, that's been impressive of their reputation. So, like, in the reviewer community of, like, I watch all my friends' videos about the Note when it came out. We stopped making explosion jokes this year. I noticed that. Like, the Galaxy Note 7 had all the explosion jokes. Note 8 came out, all the explosion jokes. Last year it exploded, guys. So what have they done this year?

That's better. Now we're on Note 9, and I think we're kind of over it. Two years. That's how long it takes. Well, that's today, though. I mean, the short cycle of news today. Things come and go so quickly. But I wonder if that would have happened to an iPhone.

What kind of nightmare that would have been. I also think there's probably no way it would have happened to an iPhone. Like you would think there's no way it would happen to Samsung, but somehow it did. But like there's this whole process of like getting a battery supplier for your phone and then trusting their quality testing and then using that supplier for your manufacturing and all that um and i don't know how different that process is for samsung versus other manufacturers like apple but it just seems like apple would never let that sort of oversight slip right hmm i wonder but if it did how crazy would that have been? Well, Samsung comes out with new phones way quicker, right? So they come out with phones more often, but they update their lineups at the same rate, like once a year for Note and also once a year for Galaxy S. But since they're six months apart, it looks like they made four new phones.

So we're going to get a new phone every April. Galaxy S10 will come out in April and they all get Galaxy Note in September well that's only six months well that's part of a different lineup so like Galaxy S is every year Galaxy Note is every year they have all these other lineups so they make a lot more phones for sure and are they still doing the sport

because they had that sport model the active I think they are still it's not nearly as special seeming to them as it used to be they used to really like put out separate commercials for it and they'd have like all this hype i remember like galaxy s7 active was a big deal yeah i don't even know if there is a galaxy s9 active i don't believe there is there might not be it was a rumor that it was coming out and that it was going to be completely waterproof and shock resistant it was going

to have a rubberized case right and it was going to have completely waterproof and shock-resistant. It was going to have a rubberized case. Right. And it was going to have an enormous battery life. But they didn't. They haven't released it. The 9 was going to have the same size battery as the Note 9, but the regular size 9 screen. Oh, okay. So 4,000 milliamp battery, but in the S9 screen.

Right. Which would have been massive. Yeah. I mean, that would have been massive yeah i mean that's just that would have been incredible i guess people just didn't buy it as much yeah i don't think people knew about it i think it's one of those deals yeah i love battery life i'm always scared that my phone's gonna run out of battery i know it's ridiculous because it very rarely does but i'm always like fuck what if it runs out of battery? Yeah. When I hear about the iPhone's battery not being so good,

I've heard that the XS regular has better battery life than the XS Max because the Max has the larger screen. I think they're about the same. I think the standby time on the XS Max is better because of the bigger battery. But when you do use your screen a lot, they kind of diminish down to the same number, I think. And then this iPhone XR, which I've just started using, seems to have a better battery life than both of them. This is the less expensive version? This is the $750 IPS LCD version of the iPhone X. Yeah, the colors and all that. Now, how much of a factor is that in everyday use?

Do you notice the difference? The battery life? Yeah. No, the image quality not being as good with the different screen? Yeah. So that's the only factor, right? Are the internal components the same? They are the same.

It's one gig less of RAM, weirdly. But yeah, all the rest of the internals are the same. So what does a standard one have, six? So four gigs of RAM in every iPhone still. Yeah, and then three gigs in the XR. And then also one camera instead of two. And then an aluminum rail on the side. I call it a rail, but the outside's aluminum instead of stainless steel.

So the iPhone's got the shiny stainless steel outside. Yeah, the screen is still pretty decent. I know everyone likes to trash on it because it's only 828p. It's like a 720p screen, roughly. This is the R? The R. But using it or just looking at it, it looks fine. Like an Apple iPhone 8.

Yeah, exactly. It's the same pixel density as an iPhone 8, which was fine for most people. So if you get too caught up on the number, which is not the typical iPhone XR buyer, then it's going to look bad. But if you just look at the screen and use it, which is most people walking in a store and just saying, hey, this looks fine and it's $250 cheaper. I think I'll just get this one. That's why I think the XR is going to be a great seller for Apple. Yeah, it sounds like it. Now, when you switch to those battery-packed cases,

now you have a brick in your pocket. It's huge. Yeah, that's a big phone already, too. So a 6.1-inch screen on that XR, and then this big battery on the back, yeah, it's just going to be massive. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I haven't seen any XS Max

with a case that has a battery in it, but jeez. I wouldn't even try. It wouldn't even fit in your pocket anymore. But it's great if you go on a trip somewhere and you might be in some janky place that doesn't have power. Yeah, like a travel version of your

setup. Yeah. It's just a big old brick case. Yeah. I'm not a case person. Yeah, you don't have any cases, huh? No, I don't do cases. But you switch phones so often, even if you drop them. That's what people always say. Pop a SIM card out.

I still take good care of my phones. People are like, oh, you get a new phone every two weeks. You might be right, but I still take really good care of my phones. I actually did kind of, getting out of my car, this slid out of my pocket, which is kind of a nightmare, and it took one bounce before I sort of half caught it. So I got this little scratch on the corner.

That's the Google phone. It's the Google phone, but it's fine. I always question people that don't have cases. I'm like, ooh, you're one of those people. My friend Andrew Santino, he doesn't put a case on anything. And he didn't have like a good – he was more a design person. He's like, look how beautiful this is. Why would I put a case on this? That's part of it. But Neil deGrasse Tyson had a really

interesting perspective. He said he takes his case and he flips it around in his hand constantly. And he said, if you go to watch cadets when they're learning how to handle guns, they're spinning their gun around and catching animals. Why do you think they're doing that? They're doing that so that they're always able to catch their gun, no matter what.

They have, so he takes his phone and he flips it around in his hand all the time. He does that like so he's always able to. Yeah, like a cadet. That's awesome. So he's just ready. He's like, I don't drop my phone. And he showed me. He was like flipping it in between his fingers like, oh, I like, see, but that's him.

He's got this next level thought process behind everything. That's fair. Not having a case on his phone. So that means he's not a case person. He's always got his phone. Yeah, that's fine. I actually like a case. I like this case, which is a clear case.

And the reason why I like it is because it's more grippy in your hand. There's more to it. It's not slippery. iPhones are the slipperiest phones. The way they're shaped, they have the stainless steel, and then they kind of just melt into this orb shape. And it's by far the most common slide-out-of-my-pocket phone is the iPhone. This phone has never slid out of my pocket, obviously. And the OnePlus, you said that that was your favorite phone before the Google Pixel 3?

Yep. Why do you like the Pixel 3? Yep. Why do you like the Pixel 3 better than that phone? Because I've heard great things about the One Plus. Yeah, I love the One Plus still, and I would have no problem using it today, but this camera is so much better than every other phone. Now, is that because you take a lot of photos for YouTube and blogging and that kind of thing? Yeah, just social. I tweet a lot of photos. I tweet a lot of photos.

I Instagram a lot of photos. That much better? Yeah, that much better. Than the OnePlus, which is already a $600 phone. And is the OnePlus, I mean the Galaxy Note 9 is supposed to have a very good camera as well. I can't tell the difference. I'm not good enough to understand. Most people won't until you put them next to each other.

And then you kind of go, oh, interesting. There's a much, like when you put an iPhone photo next to a Pixel photo, iPhones have notoriously great cameras. Pixels have notoriously great cameras. You might be totally fine with either one. But if you put them next to each other, you will notice massive differences between the photos. Yeah. What do you notice? Did you do any comparisons that are online that we could pull up right now?

My last one I compared Pixel 2 to iPhone X to OnePlus 5T to two other phones. I did like a five-camera blind test. And what I did was I put the five photos next to each other but didn't tell you which one was which. A, B, C, D, or E. And you go down the list and I have like seven, eight, nine photos in a row. A, B, C, D, or E. Pick your favorite one. A lot of people went with B, a lot of people went with D, and they didn't know which one it was. And at the end, I revealed which one was which. And a lot of people were surprised by which one they picked. Oh, wow, I picked the pixel over the iPhone every time. Really interesting. And a lot of times when you put them side by side, you'll notice iPhones like to boost the shadows a lot more.

So that they're much more evenly lit. Yeah, this is the side. A, B, C, D, and E. Which one do I like better? And I already can tell immediately which one is a Pixel. And you might not because I remember Pixel 2 had cooler colors and more contrast than any other one. And this is a gray backpack. Yeah.

So another thing about these is it helps to see it in a high resolution because the difference in detail and sharpness between them is another thing I paid attention to. Which one's E? I want to say that was the OnePlus, but I forget now. And which one's the Pixel? But I know, I'm pretty sure B is the Pixel, because this gray backpack is starting to look a little bit blue, and that was a big characteristic of the Pixel 2 from last year. Right. And that was a big issue with the screen as well, right?

The two, the Pixel XL. Yeah, look at this contrast. Like, you see, like, all these are, like, pretty good, but when you see B, and you see how much more contrast that has, and you look at at a and how much it's lifted the shadows yeah he's got he's got a pretty even tone and he is also the one plus i don't remember what he is i'd have to go back to the video so you switched them around with each one every time it was the same a is the same every time b is the same every time i know i'm i'm already pretty sure that B is the pixel. Go to the top left one with the selfie.

So, again, like that gray sweatshirt is starting to look blue in B, right? In E, look how much higher, brighter those shadows are. Like my black hair looks kind of gray at that point in that one. So there's a lot of things you don't notice until you put them side by side.

God, but so nitpicky. They all look so good. They all look pretty much like the same. But C, you're a little closer up. Yeah, C is a little bit tighter. So I'm going to go with C as the iPhone because the iPhone has a little bit of a tighter selfie camera. A lot of Android phones have a wider angle selfie camera because you can fit more people in them. But Apple has always told me they go with a tighter angle

because there's less distortion and they want it to feel more natural. You just take a picture of yourself and you look great. Here we go. iPhone X, Note 8, Pixel 2, and Hasselblad. I did add a real camera into the mix. Damn, that real camera looks pretty fucking good. Yeah. I hope so. It's $10,000.

That's a real camera film or is that video as well? It's a photo. So it's a medium format 50 megapixel Hasselblad X1D. It's a crazy camera. iPhone X looks pretty goddamn good right there. It does. But there's just a little bit more

to the Pixel 2. The Pixel 2 has, so this is a portrait mode comparison. So I remember I was trying to test like the blurry background versus an actual good camera. And whenever you look at these portrait mode photos, what they're doing is they're sort of trying to outline the subject, keep it sharp, and then blur the background artificially. And year after year, they've gotten better at this because the fall off between the blur isn't just like a cutout in real life you get sort of like a gradient of how much blur you have so pixel 2 has typically the sharpest cutout and the best like separation between the background where the iphone kind of just takes the face keeps the face sharp and then sort of has a more natural fall off so your body might not be in focus.

And Note 8 is just not as good. Yeah, and that image, that's a really – in that one, you really see how good the Pixel 2 is. Yeah. Like that – And so Pixel 3 got better at that. Really? Especially, yeah. And now you can change something Note was doing last year.

You can change how Note was doing last year. You can change how blurred the background is. So on iPhone XS now, Pixel 3, Note 9, all of them, you can change how blurry the background is. Now, I notice you have an Apple Watch on, though. I do. Best smartwatch in the game. Is it? It is by a lot.

By a lot? By a lot, yeah. That's why I'm an iPhone person. Really? Because of the watch? I carry two phones all the time, an Android phone of choice and an iPhone of choice. So my Android phone of choice is my Pixel. That's the main number, the main phone I usually use.

And my iPhone of choice I carry because there's still things that iPhones do better, and I always carry whatever the best iPhone is. A lot of things it's media related. It's like whenever I'm airdropping, like when I'm publishing a video on the go, like I have the thumbnail from airdrop on this phone, but just things like Snapchat and Instagram, Instagram stories, Instagram live, a lot of, uh, apps, uh, with camera stuff are better optimized on the iPhone than they are on any Android phone because they're built for iPhone. So I carry an iPhone, and the best smartwatch is the Apple Watch Series 4, so I wear an Apple Watch Series 4 because it's good. It's really good.

But you don't get text messages on your Apple Watch then? No, I don't. But do you want them? Yeah, kind of. I would love to be able to use a smartwatch this good with my android phone I still haven't found one that good but I mainly am using this for fitness

tracking now which is kind of entertaining just like keeping track of workouts and calories and standing hours and all the stuff it does it's pretty cool yeah this uh I was talking to you before the show about the sober October fitness challenge we're doing. This is the first time I've ever worn a heart monitor and then seen actual scores.

Yeah. There's a real crazy motivating factor of seeing an actual number. The gamifying of fitness is really entertaining to me. Yeah. And it's what's kept me, like, I usually don't wear a smartwatch for very long, but I think it's been about a month. And I just keep like so there's a feature now where you can challenge people to a one week long challenge to whoever burns the most calories and has the most points or whatever. There's like a point system. Right.

And that gamification of fitness has been, I think, pretty special. It's been pretty good. Well, this contest has been really crazy with me and my friends. So what are you trying to do? Well, if the winner is going to get a belt, like a WWE-style belt, it says Intergalactic Sober October Champion, and it has like marijuana leaf with a line through it and a bottle of booze with a line through it.

through it and a bottle of booze will line through it and uh you wear these things which is it's uh it's called a my zone and it it works with an app it works pretty good and it registers your amount of your heart rate the amount of calories you burn and it gives you a point system and the point system is i don don't know what they call it. It's M-E-P-S. I don't know what it stands for. But the amount of points over the month is what everyone's shooting for. And so today we're at October the 23rd, so we have eight days to go. And I have worked out more in these 23 days than I have in like the last six months.

And I'm not exaggerating. Yeah. I put in five and a half hours yesterday. Hard. I got more than 900 points. Then after the podcast, I said, fuck it. We're going to go for another hundred. And I worked out and I got another hundred points.

Put in another hour. Yeah. It's maniacal because you actually see the number. And because I could see the number, I could see all my friends' numbers. Yeah. It's maniacal because you actually see the number. And because I can see the number, I can see all my friends' numbers. Yeah. And I'm way ahead. So I just keep telling them that I'm twisting the blade because I'm so far ahead. Like right now I am 1,500 points away from everybody else.

Oh, Bert's trying to work out again, that slob. So when you see somebody catching up, you're like, well, I better hit the gym today. Exactly. Yeah. And so I'm planning on staying so far ahead that they must die in order to beat me. The iPhone or the Apple Watch, when you have people connected with the fitness part of it, it will literally notify me when one of my friends has finished a workout and tell me how how good they were,

how many points they just got. Like as they finish it, like you hit the finish button and you know everyone's getting a notification. That's interesting. So I'm going to put in the extra four or five miles on the bike so that they get that notification that I did that. It really does work. Yeah.

I mean, there's no doubt about it. Yeah. Just having that external motivating factor and then seeing a number. There's something about, like with this, with the MEPS, M-E-P-S, whatever the fuck that stands for. Find out what that stands for because I don't even know what that stands for. And I don't know how the Apple Watch measures points either. I think there's a, because it's measuring, I mean, there's a lot of sensors in this thing. So not only is it a heart rate monitor, there's an accelerometer and a gyroscope.

So it knows when you're standing, knows when you're moving quickly. And it basically just comes up with a points number at the end of the day and i every time i fly i just don't get any points because i just sit there right but yeah there's like a live counter constantly going of like you and your friends and you got to have the highest number to so out of all the stuff that you do during my zone effort points, that's what it is. That's the maps points. But here's the thing about that maps points. And we were trying to figure out why it does. It gives you the same amount of points for 80% of your max heart rate as it does for 90. So like the first day I said, I'm just going to sprint and try to bury these guys. So I put them in 90% for 35 minutes. I was like, they can't do that. I'm just going to do some shit they can't do.

But it doesn't give you any more points for 90%. 90% gives the exact amount of points is 80%. So it's their own proprietary. Yeah, see? Those two there? Fuckers. Piece of shit. It's so dumb.

So I think the reason why they did that is to keep people from killing themselves. That's what I think. Yeah, just get somewhere in the 80 to 90 range. Fat Bert is always in the 80 to 90 range. Fat Bert is always in the two and three. Fat Bert never gets in yellow. That's slob. He's just waddling around,

waddling around with blue and green, mostly gray. He gets a lot of gray. He'll get gray for hours, just waddling, complaining, thinking about vodka, dreaming about food. He's going to watch this and hit the gym immediately. He's on the gym right now.

He's at the gym right now. All right. Trying to catch up. He's always playing catch up. Yeah. The thing, you got to stay ahead. You got to stay ahead. Yeah, when you fall behind.

Like wolves in the distance. You got to think of them as wolves barking in the distance, chasing you. Like, no fucking way. You're not eating me, bitch. Wolves 10 miles away are not going to get you. But wolves 100 yards away, they're going to get you. They know they're going to catch you. Like, no fucking way. You're not eating me, bitch. Wolves 10 miles away are not going to get you. But wolves 100 yards away, they're going to get you. They know they're going to catch you. So you've got to keep the distance way too far.

10 miles. You want to hear? You don't want to hear? He's such a slob. He says he's going to double everything I do. Look at that fat face. That's not even possible. I brought my dog up here, face. That's not even possible.

Stop this before I throw up. He's going to chase the dog. He's so far behind. It's impossible to win. But that's the point. The point is to keep the boot on his neck. This only does seven day challenges. You start it and they accept and then it counts for the next seven days, all your cumulative points.

Oh. Well, that would be good. Then you just do four. And then you just keep going. Yeah. Yeah, you start over. Yeah. I like the challenge aspect of it.

It's really, I mean, all jokes aside, it's been really fun with my friends. Poor Tommy Bunz is way behind. I don't know what's going on. Tom Segura is way behind. He was going on Tom Segura's way behind He's like 1,800 points behind your own him up is he like saving a couple days might be might be sandbag I'm a rich bitch Then just comes full-strength all day you saw you store them up in your in this device And then you sink so you could pretend that you're not doing any work i could sandbag

yes no one knows then the last day you're like you son of a bitch he goes online he's 10 000 points ahead oh that's a real issue so the key is just keep the work rate at an almost impossible level so like yesterday like i said i worked out five and a half hours and then another hour yeah and today i've already put in two hours i put in two hours at seven o'clock this morning. So the thing is I'm putting two hours in at yellow. I'm hitting 80% for two hours. Fat Bert's out there waddling around with his dog, pretending he's working hard, making videos. That's, he's got like gray and a little bit of blue. He may be green, a little green then he takes a break cries and his numbers are low and they're not near him they're lower than mine

that's a fact I worked out more yesterday last night and this morning than he has in a whole day the other thing though

my problem when I I play frisbee so I take the watch off when I play because it's a wrist thing and I'm constantly like moving and gripping like that frisbee, so I take the watch off when I play because it's a wrist thing, and I'm constantly moving and gripping.

Do you play that Frisbee disc golf? Ultimate Frisbee. Ultimate Frisbee. Yeah. So I take it off every time I play, and I know that's thousands of points that I'm missing out on. What is disc golf versus ultimate Frisbee? What's the difference? Disc golf is what it sounds like.

You play nine or 18 holes, and you're throwing and walking up to it. Is it a frisbee though? Are you throwing a frisbee? Oh, look at you there, dude. Get an air, son. So ultimate frisbee is different. Ultimate frisbee you can think of as kind of like football slash basketball with a disc. Are you throwing that frisbee with the left and the right hand?

Yes, mostly one hand. Sometimes you throw a little offhand. Why don't you switch the sucker to the left hand? Yes, mostly one hand. Sometimes you throw a little offhand. Why don't you switch the sucker to the left hand? I don't know. There's something about wearing something on my wrist, like throwing and catching, that it's just not. You're so serious about it, you're going to lose points. Yeah.

If I really had to wear it for a week to get all the points. You're really playing competitive here. Yeah. So this is all, I'm pretty sure this is all pro highlights. You guys are pro? There is professional Ultimate Frisbee now. And you're playing professionally? playing competitive here. Yeah. So this is all, I'm pretty sure this is all pro highlights, but. You guys are pro? There is professional ultimate Frisbee now. And you're playing professionally?

And I'm playing professional ultimate Frisbee. Whoa. This actually looks really fun. Yeah. Wow. There's a lot of. Is that you?

That is me. 2016 Eastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year. That was me. Damn. Baby Marquez getting some defensive plays. Well, you have big hands. That probably helps in this sport, right?

Definitely. This is a fun play. Look at this. I won't. Oh, snatch! So that guy that I just roofed scored like 15 points against us that game. That's called roofed? Which is a lot.

Yeah, I just roofed him. Roofed? I just roofed him. Is that an Ultimate Frisbee only term? There's all kinds of, yeah, there's all. I've never heard that term before. A common one is you skyd someone. But roofed I like because it's a disc and it's above his head.

Yeah, well, whenever you moss somebody. What is that? When you moss someone. Moss? Like Randy Moss. Oh, okay. Like Randy Moss went out for a football and his chest was at your head level. Right.

That's what mossing someone looks like. But there's other words for it, so you might roof someone. I can't believe you're doing this without your sensor on. I know. Because you're so serious about it. So many points. Yeah, you're losing so many points. Wow.

Do you do any strength and conditioning to prepare for this? Yeah, so the season is a couple months long. So yes, I am. We're in the off season now. The season just ended. So we're just basically rebuilding. I lose like 15 pounds during the season. So I'm like putting that back on. Then you get to like tryout season in like February or March. And then you just start, yeah, getting your throws back, getting your cardio back and starting to work into it and then the season starts. I would think that leg strength and explosive power,

like doing box jumps and things along those lines would be huge for you. Yes. So there's different, sort of like basketball or football, there's different types of players. You can sort of, there's so many things to explain with Frisbee. There's throwers and catchers, you might call them, so handlers and receivers. A lot of shorter, faster people who aren't as explosive but are really, really quick are handlers, and they'll go around, they'll squirrel around, and they'll have awesome strength, and they'll be able to

throw anywhere, but they won't necessarily go downfield and try to go score on someone because they're not as tall or as explosive. Meanwhile, a lot of cutters or receivers are, you can think of sort of like a wide receiver in football. They're going downfield and they're the athletes going and making plays in the air and they're hard to guard downfield, but they're not necessarily scrolling around throwing a lot. They're mostly just catching, dumping it off to another thrower and then going for some more yards again. So if you watch a game unfold, it's very fluid. You constantly switch between offense and defense, like basketball. You're scoring in an end zone, and then the point's over, and then you pull again to start. But as the point's going on, you kind of notice certain players are mostly doing certain

things, like mostly throwing, mostly getting the disc back. Other people are mostly going downfield, threatening deep. There's a lot of terminology. How'd you get involved in this? The high school I went to, Columbia High School, invented this sport in 1968. Whoa. And I had a very competitive team for the years that I was there. And I made a lot of friends on the team, started playing.

I played for the JV team for the first two years, and then I played for the varsity team my second two years. So it was a pretty serious program, and we played against other high schools around the country. We traveled. We flew. Whoa. We played against – we had rivals in Massachusetts and Connecticut

and all these other schools, and then we had the big Eastern championship at the end of the high school season. That's what we all played for. We won 11 straight state championships the two years that I played. That's incredible. Yeah. I did not know that this was even a thing. Meanwhile, there's a rich history to it.

Yeah. 68. Yeah, 50th anniversary this year. That is so crazy. I would have never guessed. You said when was Ultimate Frisbee invented? I always said like a couple months ago. Yeah.

Well, so the Pro League just is less than 10 years old. So there's always been this sort of club. You think of club soccer, like area teams. There's always been that. So I've played for the New Jersey Garden State club team for much longer than I've played for any pro teams. And that's generally what players take the most seriously. The club championships were this past weekend, the New York area team beat the San Francisco area team to win nationals. Like that's generally what people care the most about. But

it's not very spectator friendly. So what we've sort of created is the AUDL is the American Ultimate Disc League. It's a pro version of Frisbee. It's mainly the same sport, but a little bigger field and a little bit faster play just because they've shortened the stoppages and they have referees and everything now. And there's selling tickets and selling merch and jerseys and like broadcasting games.

And they have a pro championship at the end of the year. So that's been been a whole new thing for Frisbee players to pay attention to, and I've played for a pro team as well the past couple of years, and it's been pretty fun. Well, I buy it because just watching that clip was really exciting. It looks fun, and you guys aren't getting any brain damage. Yeah, that's a big deal. It's about the same level of contact as basketball, I would say. Perfect.

So you're not throwing elbows or anything, but there are fouls. So you've got to be careful about where you're throwing your body around. Well, that's going to happen because people are running at each other. Yeah, exactly. But you're not worried about tackles or anything stupid. It's not football or lacrosse. I tried lacrosse. That was not for me.

It's ridiculous. People hitting each other with sticks. Yeah. Fuck all that. It was a lot. Do you mess around with VR at at all yes a little bit i have a i have an htc vive and that's been the most common use of vr we have a vive in the studio and the two games that come to mind the most are called super hot i don't know if you've played that no and. And Beat Saber. I try to play, but my kids dominate the VR thing. They come in here and they're like, get out of here.

They push me away and it's mine. There's a lot of fun stuff. So Superhot is a fun one. It's a shooting game, strategy game type of thing. So the way Superhot, again, you're in VR, so you're wearing this thing, and it's a bunch of stick figures trying to kill you. And they're running downstairs, running around corners,

shooting at you, trying to kill you. But time only moves when you move. So if you hold still, you can look around and see in the headset where people are and sort of evaluate, like, okay, I can pick up this object and hurt somebody with it. This is it right here? Yeah, this is the game. It's a very crude looking video. Yeah, it's super basic.

Again, stick figures trying to kill you. But it's like a strategy game in that you sort of have to evaluate where you're at and not look around too much. And then as soon as you start to move and throw things, everyone else is trying to kill you also. And so you can sort of dodge bullets as they come around because you don't move when you see them flying through the air.

There's a lot of cool stuff to this game. So I got really into it. I didn't get to this level, which is probably, yeah, you gotta dodge all these bullets flying at you, turn around, throw something at them. There's a lot. There's a boxing game, well, there's several boxing games. In VR? Yeah, that are really good.

Wow. And they give you a workout because there's a guy in front of you, and he's throwing punches, and you're bobbing and weaving. Is it like full speed? You're punching at him. Yeah, yeah. And they look good. It looks like you're in the ring, and the guy's looking at you.

He's mean mugging you and throws punches your way. And when you get hit, you see a flash of white. That's so good. Yeah. I want to try that now. Yeah. Well, it's really fun, but I think with the haptic feedback suit, especially if you could put something.

There it is right here. This is the new one. Oh, this is the new one? The Creed video game I was telling you about. Oh, see? Based off of the new Rocky movie. Oh, you can block, yeah. Follow up.

Damaging. Damaging regions can expose parties. Uh-oh. You can hear Rocky. He Rocky's chair in this. Look at this. But when you're doing it like we did it out here in the hallway my feet were hurting

because I was moving and shifting left and right and throwing punches and bouncing off my toes and after it was over I was like dude my fucking feet are exhausted. Yeah and you're doing the drills and everything. Yeah like more so than it would be, I was like, dude, my fucking feet are exhausted. Yeah. And you're doing the drills and everything. Yeah. Like more so than it would be if I was actually sparring. Huh.

Because if I was actually sparring, I don't think I would throw as many punches in such a quick succession. Yeah. You'd be more worried about getting hit back and actually getting punched. But when you're doing it, it's really interesting. Wow. Yeah. That's what I got to try. Oh. Wow. Yeah. That's, I gotta try that. Oh!

Is that Adrian? That's Rocky! There's also the, is this in the HTC Vive too? Yeah, this just came out for all of them. Oh, okay. Yeah, the other one's called Beat Saber and it's a, you can think of it as like Guitar Hero but you're holding like lightsabers as controllers.

Oh yeah, my kids love that one. And they're going past you, I love that game. And things are flying at you and you're hitting them. And you're hitting them, yeah. That is a really well done game. There's a bunch of really well done ones. There's a great one that you're in a castle and you have like an old school bow and arrow. Yes.

And then there's these almost like South Park looking monsters coming towards you. Yeah, and they're like, it's still kind of cartoony, but like the graphics are crisp enough that you like feel like you're a cartoon character in a way yeah it's yeah good yeah it's it's really cool and you know like there's actual physics to the arrow like when you shoot it so like you have to lift your arm up to get the arc of the arrow correct to hit at things yeah yeah yeah that's good i so. So I think about VR a lot just because as a video maker, you're making content for the platform that people view it on.

And we started to get this little creeping up of, like, 360 videos getting really good and, like, interesting applications of 360 video. And it's still kind of early, and I don't really know if it's going to take off or if it's just this of early, and I don't really know if it's going to take off or if it's just this medium stepping stone format to what might be a more immersive thing, or maybe just AR is going to be way better. I don't know yet, but I pay a lot of attention to it just because it's new. Yeah. AR is fascinating as well. I mean, we discussed, what was it? Magic Leap,

is that what it was? The Microsoft one? That's the other one. HoloLens is Microsoft and then Magic Leap is its own thing. I haven't tried either actually yet. And which one was the one where the ballerina was dancing in your hand? Magic Leap. But which one? Is that the one that people are saying is kind of

vaporware? Sort of. I would imagine that screen on that phone would have some sort of similar i technology it's like light field technology yeah i didn't even talk about that doing weird stuff with your eyes it's weird so this phone has a what are they calling it i'm not i'm not gonna remember what they're calling it. Oh, is there... I need Wi-Fi for it, actually. It's got a 3D screen, a glasses-less 3D.

Here's the... And you basically... It has a 3D screen, and you look at media on it, and it's supposed to sort of pop out... What's the password? At the top? Yeah. It doesn't have to be lowercase. Is it lowercase? No. No top yeah doesn't have to be

lowercase is it lowercase no which one is it this this one T that one

yeah yeah that's it but basically it can look like that but you can't have things actually popping out

above the screen so things on the screen will look 3D but anything like outside of the screen won't. It's kind of hard to explain. Wow. And so this is for video games or for other things as well? So at this point, what they're trying to do is have media,

like photos and videos, pop out. So not just games. They're going to have games as well. But they have shared with me a couple of media files that are a good use of the 3D, and I'm curious what you think of them because they're definitely

a stretch. So it's hologram-y. Holographic is the word they use, but it's hard to explain, and it's kind of trippy. Whoa. Dude, this is weird.

And there's different, like, so there's a movie trailer version of it where there's, like, things coming towards you, and I think that's maybe the best use of it I've seen. It's impossible to show on camera. I've tried many different times, many different ways. This will never show up on camera. But this is odd.

Yeah. Is there an issue where people have to make stuff for this? So any content, you have to shoot for 4View. They call it 4View. Or they can take existing content and convert it to 4View, but that's a little less successful usually. This is really strange. But the cameras on the back, they have two cameras on the back,

and you can shoot 4-view with the cameras on the Hydrogen. It's crazy. What I'm looking at right now is topographic maps. Yeah. Wow. Amazing, man. So it's hard to tell, again, like I try to separate things into buckets of this is something you're going to use every day and love, or this is a total gimmick that you'll never use again. And I started with it in the bucket of this is kind of like a gimmick,

but they've put so much effort into making it good, and all these different conversion techniques and... Let's see if I can find a clip. But they've been constantly changing the algorithms and adjusting it and updating it to look better that it's starting to convince me that it might be worth paying attention to for more than just the first two seconds.

This is amazing. be like worth paying attention to for more than just the first two seconds this is amazing what do you think you would like use it all the time no never use it no it's still amazing but it's still pretty cool right it's it's very cool but how much better is it than regular video that that and how long can you like look at it before your eyes start to tweak a little bit. Yeah, I'm already going like... But it looks good. It definitely looks really good. It looks cool.

It's kind of interesting. Yeah. But... So you can take photos and videos with the camera on the phone that are in this 3D. And that's maybe the best use of it because you can see what's actually in the room around you the way it would show up in a direct translation. How much of an impact does it have on storage size? Not much.

I mean, there's still video files and there are big 4K videos, but they're not necessarily twice as big or anything like that. It looks cool, but regular video looks pretty cool too. When you go into the viewfinder and you go from 2D to 3D, then you can take photos and videos of things in that format.

Whoa, this is weird, man. If you take a capture and then look at it, and you kind of like move the phone around a little bit, it's kind of like shimmery in a weird way, but of 3d sort of this is very odd it's very hard to explain yeah you'd have to look at this through this thing like you would never be able to show this to someone in a video yeah you know like i'm looking at these uh plasticelle little uh figurines and as i move forward and backward you really get a sense of 3D that's actually pretty badass

so I gotta figure out how to show it in the video of like, I just have to describe it, I have to use my words god that's amazing and that's, well it's probably coming that's probably coming, it's probably gonna be something we're all gonna have to deal with yeah, I'm interested

if you ask Red they'll tell you yeah this is the future everything's going to be like this i'm like you got it i think you have to say that at this point 3d movies were a big deal yeah get those stupid glasses and yeah i mean that was so their claim is like yes this is what's it's genuinely good like you can use it in portrait and landscape glassesless 3d is usually only one way or the other because of polarization. So this is a lenticular technology. I don't know exactly how it works, but you can use it in portrait or landscape. You can play games with it and things will react

in depth of space in the game. Well, the first video that you showed me is really interesting too because it's essentially like a topographic map. So you're paying attention to depth. Yeah yeah you're looking at the the layers of the mountain and the hillside yeah so yeah but this actually was kind of weirder like seeing these little figurines and moving towards them in real life yeah yeah yeah that's

what i think is uh that's the best way to calibrate to your eye like what it's doing around if you just look at like a video of it you're like all, it looks 3D like it's coming at me. And they had a couple like a movie trailer type of thing where like, again, like it was mostly shot for this format and things would like kind of go past you. And the speakers are also really good. So they have this sort of a 3D conversion technique for audio as well where it sort of goes behind you. But, yeah, it's definitely interesting. Yeah. Did you mess around with Google Glasses when they first came out?

I did, yeah. Yeah. Did you think, okay, this is going to be something? I guess I probably did. It was – Glasses was weird. It was ahead of its time, but also like not really. Yeah. Like I had it, I was in college also.

So it was like, I can't wear it to class or like walk around. I guess I could walk around Hoboken with it. But the whole idea of an augmented reality, this little screen that I could just check the weather and then look back down or check my texts and look back down was like, that could be cool. But also if you look at someone wearing google glass it's like that guy's wearing google glass you can't you can't get around it well people would get angry at people for wearing it too because i had a camera filming me what are you doing yeah yeah so that was another thing as i tried uh i won't even say the name but like another like much newer version of that where again it was like a a small projection to a

prism that would you could see but no one else could, and it would fit into something that looked more like regular glasses. So it had a battery. It had everything, but it didn't have a camera, and you still had a screen that you could look up into the corner to. And I was like, well, I wonder if I'll notice the difference between regular glasses. And I went down, and I met the guys who were showing it to me in the lobby, and immediately I was like, that guy's wearing it.

I can see it. I can see the little light in his eye i can see like the extra thick glasses so it was like it's it's an interesting concept and i don't know where it goes from here if it has to be glasses based or if we'll eventually have some sort of a chip in our eye or what the deal is what what the next move is but it's a cool concept. Yeah, it's one of those things that sort of, it's kind of been flirting with, like, for the longest time, people thought virtual reality was going to be, I mean, there was virtual reality concepts 20 years ago.

Yeah. And people thought virtual reality was going to be the future. And then it took a long time for the hardware to catch up. I think augmented reality has a more promising immediate future just because it's more useful. Yeah. But virtual reality has like the immersion factor going for it. The problem is you have to make a whole world. So augmented reality is just like some layer on top of your current world.

So augmented reality is just like some layer on top of your current world. So you get like a little screen or whatever, or you look at one particular thing and it looks different from real life. That's easier to build. For virtual reality, you have to build the whole world that you step into. And that's like a much, much deeper layer of immersion, which is great to step into, but also hard to make. So that's the difference. I think I'm more into AR at the moment. Well, I think AR in the sense of having all the functions of your phone

in front of you in the air when you call upon them. Yeah, kind of like a movie. Yeah. Like when someone in a movie or like Iron Man even, they just whip out a sheet of buttons in front of them and like close it.

Only they could see that. Like maybe that's the future. And to have some Hey Siri type, you know. Hopefully not as bad. Demand. Yeah. Siri's terrible. Siri's not that good.

It works for some things. It's okay for some things. Siri. Google Assistant's better though. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Siri.

Well, there's the, have you tried Bixby? That's the other you tried bixby that's yes bixby is even worse bixby sucks it's pretty bad yeah but bixby does a few things okay like it checks flights okay bixby has like bixby i think is hilarious because it shows how good it can be and then it isn't good like it it has a a couple of things that it can definitely do better than any other assistant. Like what? It can dig in locally on Samsung phones and do strings of commands. You can say, hey Bixby, open my settings app, turn my brightness halfway down

and turn my Wi-Fi off and it'll do all of that. Wow. And Siri and Google Assistant won't do that. But if you say, hey Bixby, how tall is the Statue of Liberty? It might not do it. It's really bad at a lot of basic things. So yeah, Google Assistant I think is the most complete and useful.

I genuinely use it all the time. Siri I mostly trigger by accident, and then I wonder if it's better and it isn't. Well, it's offensive that Bixby has a button. Yeah, I hate that. Come on. And you can't remap it. An unremappable bixby button that you accidentally press all the time all the time yeah lower left hand corner like what is this thing

yeah it's pretty bad yeah the iphone siri button gets pressed a lot but what i really like about the pixel is the squeeze yeah you can turn it off do you use it like to squeeze it to pull up assistant yeah once in a while i mostly use the hey google trigger which is like mapped to my voice so i see it turns on now that i've said it oh wow but i started using the squeeze a little more so i don't have to yell and i can just squeeze it and say a commander question mostly a question now do you use any of the home feature things like do you use alexa or the google home or uh first thing I got into my home was Google Home. So now I have a Google Home home. If I had Alexa, first thing, I probably would have had an Alexa home with things that work with Alexa.

But they genuinely, like, usually work with each other. Do your lights work with it and all those things? So what I have is I have a Nest thermostat and I have a Nest security, and I think that's it. And I had smart lights, but I stopped using them. So it's mostly just the Nest stuff. And I can ask what the temperature is upstairs and then say, hey, change the temperature to this, and then it'll do it. So I don't have to run out and find the thermostat and change it myself. I remember hearing that Bill Gates had some pin that you would put on when you entered into his home.

And when you go into certain rooms, if you had a pin on, it would recognize, oh, it's Bill. Bill likes the temperature at this level. He likes this art on the wall. So he'd have LCD screens that would display different images. That's almost too much modularity. Like I kind of – I like a general state of of things are the same unless I want them to change. That would be kind of weird. Every time you leave the room, the art changes behind you.

And then you walk back in and it changes back and you leave again. It's kind of a lot. But yeah, just a couple things. I have the Google Home app where I'll change the temperature once in a while. There's this thing I've considered getting, the Ring doorbell. Yeah. Which has a camera. But I don't really use the doorbell that much.

It's mostly packages get delivered to work instead of home. Right. Yeah, that's about it. Yeah. Now, the Alexa and the Google Home, the big concern that people have is that it's listening to you all the time. The big concern that people have is that it's listening to you all the time. There was a story that I read about there was a murder investigation and that they were trying to get the records of Amazon Alexa while this murder investigation was going on because they think they could have listened to the conversation.

And then people are like, wait a minute. This fucking thing is just listening all the time? Well, it is, but it's not. Don't worry about it. What if you get murdered? Don't worry about it. What if you get murdered? Don't worry about it. It'll help you. Yeah, if you get murdered,

you don't want anybody to get away with it, do you? True. Yeah, that is a lot. Yeah, it's got to listen. So the whole privacy thing, I obviously have to think about that a lot. My compromise in my own head, personally, is I don't have privacy and I know it,

so I might as well get something back for it, which is convenience. So if I'm going to have this Google Assistant on my phone, I already have a GPS and Wi-Fi and all these sensors in my phone. I might as well Google. Of course they know where I am, so I might as well get something for it. So maybe I'll get shortcuts to where I need to go. You know where my work is. Just give me a shortcut to traffic to work. That's what's weird. It says you'll be home in 12 minutes. Like, bitch, how do you know where I live? Yeah, exactly.

How do you know when I'm home? But if you're going to know that, which I know you are because you're Google, then give me something back for it. Right. And you know, restaurants near me, like how do you know where I am? You're watching me all the time. You're constantly looking? It's basically – so it knows like I have a couple of like preferences that seem like pretty minor. Like what sports teams do you like? What sports do you enjoy watching?

Or like what sort of topics do you enjoy? And if you open my Google Assistant, it will tell you like here's the score of the game you are about to check the score to. Here's the traffic. I have a flight later. to check the score too. Here's the traffic. I have a flight later. What it's going to do, and I know it's going to do this,

is it's going to tell me when it's time to leave based on traffic, based on my location, to arrive to my flight 90 minutes before the scheduled departure. It's going to tell me when to leave because it knows where I am. It knows where the airport I'm leaving from is. It knows my flight. It knows my flight time. And it knows I need to get to the airport 90 minutes before the flight. Does Google own Waze now?

They either own Waze or bought – yeah, I think they bought Waze. So when you get something through Google Maps, it does kind of the same thing that Waze does, right? Yeah. Yeah, they use data from Waze. Which people who live in these neighborhoods where Waze is now rerouting people's food, they are furious. I heard about that. They are furious. I heard about that. And I'm a Waze person, so I know I'm very familiar with the rerouting, and it's pretty hilarious. It's hilarious.

People have these sleepy little communities, and now it's like streams of cars going through their neighborhood. Waze is great, though. Yeah, it is great. It is great. I mean, it's amazing how well it predicts your time arrival, too. And the whole notifying you when there is construction or police or something. Yeah. No, it's amazing how well it predicts your time arrival too. And the whole like notifying you when there is construction or police or something. Yeah.

No, it's excellent. Cars broken down the right lane, you know, shift to the left. Yeah. You're going to get around it. Yep. I'm fascinated by all these advances and where they're taking us. And I spend a lot of time thinking about it. I spend a lot of time thinking about what, where the future holds or what the future holds and where all this stuff is going.

And I never, I never would have imagined 20 years ago that we would be all addicted to our phones. And one of the big issues would be like one of the new features in the iPhone shows you how much screen time you have. And because when we're doing this fitness challenge, your screen is on all the time because you're looking at your screen because it shows you the score. So it's like your screen usage this month is up 900 percent. Like, oh, no, that's not good. I'm not counting this month, obviously, because of that. 900%. I'm not counting this month, obviously, because of that. But there's something to addiction to phones and addiction to technology and the fact that it's so a part of our life that I can only imagine it's going to get more and more immersive.

And we're going to become more and more symbiotic with all this electronics. I mean, you're wearing a watch that's telling you things all the time. Yeah. You have three phones with you. Yeah. that's telling you things all the time. Yeah. You have three phones with you.

Yeah. On one hand, I know that it's gotten, at least recently, a little more in the spotlight. Like Google just added the same thing, a digital well-being feature, which tells you how much screen time you've had in certain apps and will let you restrict your usage of Instagram by a certain number of minutes, whatever, it's doing the same thing.

They both introduced that within like six months of each other, which is kind of fascinating. But on the other hand, I think in my own head that I am not addicted yet. I still unplug every weekend to play Ultimate and then I plug back in on Monday. When you say you unplug unplug meaning you don't check your email you don't check your texts no i mean i if i get texts and i get them but like as far as what does that mean so like i have my stuff with me but like when i go when we go play a tournament that's like you'll have like five games in a day so i'll get up at like 7 30 you go to the fields you put your bag down you warm up you play a play a game, you warm up, you play a game, you warm up, you play a game, and you're done about like 4 or 5 p.m. Wow. All day, no phone.

That's a lot of activity. Yes. That's amazing you're not wearing your watch. Yeah, yeah, I'm missing out on a lot of points, man. I'd be whooping some people in this competition thing, but I'm clearly not. So yeah, like all day, and then we'll have team dinner, and then shower, sleep, wake up the next day, day two of the tournament, Saturday, Sunday. You know what you need? You need instead of that wrist strap, you need like a forearm strap that's like on. Out of the way. Yeah, like on like one of those tennis wristband things.

I know I have a couple of friends that play ultimate with that on like under their jersey. But like the watch is the points. I don't know if the watch, if I put it up here, will still measure my heart rate and all that stuff the same. The MyZone thing syncs to a compression shirt and I know you can sync the MyZone thing to your watch. You can do it that way.

What do you mean it syncs to a compression shirt? You have a compression shirt that has those little sensors. Where do you get that? Through their website. What? I'd have to like the shirt. What do you mean? You have a compression shirt that has those little sensors. Where did you get that? Through their website. What? Yeah. Huh. I'd have to like the shirt. I almost bought it, but I didn't. And you snap the thing into the compression shirt? They have a bra for women and a shirt for guys. Oh my god, I gotta get a bra.

Yeah, I'm gonna get one of those. Because mine's getting super sweaty, man. This thing is losing a lot of its elasticity. It's so gross too. It stinks. Well, you can wash it, but yeah. Can you wash it? Huh? Oh, I figured it could. It oh I think open water and these love dryers um I thought it was electronic I'm gonna sink just like this row just the fabric part yeah I just assumed that because all this stuff is like you have to bolt it into it it's

just right but the sensors are making some sort of a contact with these buttons which makes a contact with your don thing. Don't wash the sensor. Everything else is just metal. So don't wash this. Right. But the rest of it, it has to go through these pads to get to your skin. I don't want it to be shitty.

Ah. Yeah? Get the shirt then. Okay. I'm going to get the shirt. It's almost over, but yeah. It's not almost over. It's not quite yet, man.

It's not too late. Overnight then. Four days. Four days. Yeah. Augmented reality. not quite yet it's not too late overnight that four days yeah um augmented reality uh you know i know that there is a there's talk about a contact lens that was uh being in development that was going to be some sort of a lens that's going to allow you to do like a lot of minority report type shit yeah i think tech is tech as i know it is too far

from that to make that work just because you need like a contact lens you think of is just like this clear thing maybe some circuits on it or whatever but like you need a battery right and then you need unless it operates off your body i guess but there's a smart watch that operates off the heat of your body huh is i mean i don't know how direct like even if you do operate off of some other power source you need to get that power source to connect to the electronics to make it work which still takes some space i don't know how much but so yeah i don't know it seems kind of far out it's a it's a it's a cool idea but it seems really, really difficult to put a contact lens directly in front of your retina and be able to focus on it. There's a bunch of questions I have about it. I don't know how reasonable or realistic it is. My real fear is that they're going to invent a better eye for blind people.

And when they do, they're like, look how amazing this is we've given blind people the ability to see again optical zoom but now they also have all these other features that you don't have with your regular eyes so let us scoop those bad boys out and put some fucking killer robot eyes binocular eyes i'm a little worried about that yeah like realistically worried about that it came it came from we were watching this video once where there was a guy who got his arm and his leg bit off by sharks he got attacked by a shark when he was surfing

so he had this carbon fiber hand that totally articulates like a real hand and he's standing there with his from his knee down was an artificial leg and he was walking around and moving like a regular person I was like look at this guy this is incredible I'm like he's kind of a bionic guy because his hand was moving around he could shake

your hand and he seemed so normal and i'm like what if it gets like many many generations better than this where it has like luke skywalker when he got his hand chopped off by darth vader remember he got that robot hand and there's people There's people working on this every day, so I kind of figure we're headed in that direction. What's this, Jamie? I just Googled something. It's not out yet. This is called Immacula, which is an AR lens that you wear with sunglasses.

So together, they make an AR situation. Oh, with the glasses. So you have a lens as a contact and then sunglasses? Yeah, I showed you the picture that they, this is what they say they got. Yeah. What is immaculate? Oh, sorry. Here's the, so you have a lens here and these glasses go over top.

Look at that creepy dude. Wow, what a picture. But it's not out yet. It's just this, you can invest in it so it's more it's like how magic leap was about a year year and a half ago like i'm not investing in anything that uses this guy as their cover boy what's up with his face man it's a fucking robot man he's an alien he looks like the guy from men in black remember when the alien put the skin on remember that's what he looks like something wrong with the left side of his face, man.

He's wearing someone's skin. That's a weird system. So a lens in a contact. Yes, the battery might be in the glasses. In the glasses. And it's working, and I don't know how it's connected, but wow. Well, this is, who knows what this is, right? It's also very, very new. Here's the other thing.

I don't need the information that fast that bad. I'm okay with the one-second delay of picking up my phone and checking it. Because what are you getting with – you saw the examples where incoming call, the weather, your emails, things like that, like information you can already get in two seconds by just, yep, I have an incoming call. I have an email. I have a text.

Like that's pretty quick. Pretty quick. And I've said this before where someone has asked me like, are we at like the final form of smartphones? Like where are they going to go? Are they going to get bigger? Are they going to get smaller? Are they going to be implanted in you?

I think smartphones are at like pretty much their final form. We're going to keep evolving the insides of smartphones to be better. They're going to get faster. They're going to get more and more transparent, whatever. They'll get more interesting looking. But I think it's always going to be a thing I pick up and use and then put back down. I think that's where we're at for a while.

What are your thoughts on Samsung's foldable screens? That I am very curious about because again, sounds awesome, but why do I fold it? Why? Yeah. What am I doing with it? And how big is it going to get? Yeah. So like maybe, so we had this idea a while ago when we started first getting these big phones that were like, oh, you could have a really big phone like a tablet, but then you fold it in half and it's like a phone size now. But I might as well just have a phone and a tablet unless I – I don't know if I need both. Do you remember the Samsung – what was that giant thing that they had that was bigger than a note? Well, they have small tablets.

But they had a a it was a phone oh the galaxy mega yeah huge one yeah they had like a the weird thing is like that i think was like a six and a half inch screen and that's where we're at now was it really yeah it was massive compared to what we had also in the market which was like five inch screens i never saw one in the wild i reviewed one yeah it was It was way bigger than any other phone out. But I'm pretty sure if I look back, that was like a six-and-a-half-inch screen. It was less than seven-inch. I think that's the sweet spot.

Seven-inch screen, tablet. Six-inch screen, phone. Yeah. And I think, yeah, this is a 6.2-inch screen. This is a 6.5. How big is the XS Max? 6.5-inch screen. Yeah.

What's that? It was 6.3. So that's bigger than the Galaxy Mega. That's crazy. Look at that thing. Endless entertainment. Look at it. Mega. 4X optical zoom. But that thing still had the forehead and the bezels and the chin and everything.

Not that bad, really, in comparison to the iPhone 8. Not horrible. It's kind of the same. Galaxy Mega. 16 gigabytes. Woo, baby. Wow. Look at that thing. That's so weird. I wonder what year that was.

That was like... No, don't tell me. That was probably college, so like 2014? 2015? If you pulled that thing out, you were a pimp. Like like what are you doing with watching giant ass movies all the time battery life 44 minutes that was a fun time yeah it's crazy when you connect your phone to your car here's the other one that just happened the this tiny palm phone uh i don't know if you've seen this so it's like a super small

phone accessory to your normal phone so it does almost everything your normal phone does but it's way smaller it has like uh half of the it says congratulations, you've launched the stupidest product of the year. It's a phone accessory to your phone. They could have just made a small phone. That would have been fine. Yeah. But then they made this whole thing where like, oh, but it has to connect to your other phone. And then it uses the same phone number, but it works sometimes. And Steph Curry is their ambassador. and i don't know anymore why

someone would want to get that so how close does it have to be to your regular phone uh i think it has its own data or something i don't know it's kind of like an apple watch like it's an accessory to your phone that kind of is the same form factor as a phone you put in your pocket you like go to the gym you just bring that instead of bringing the main phone. Or you just go on a hike, and you just don't want to bring your whole setup, so you just bring the little pocket phone. I'd like to be in the meeting with whatever cokehead came up with that idea. I don't know. I can't think of any other really great reasons to have it.

I think the Apple Watch sort of has it nailed, right? You get your notifications, but it's crazy that you enjoy it even though you're not even using it for a lot of the features. You're using it for the fitness aspect, and what else do you use on it? Do you get weather? Yeah, so I have the 4G version. I get the weather and silly stuff. Oh, so it has the ability to make calls. I do, but I never do.

You never do. If I wanted to call a restaurant and see what kind of hours they have, I could say, hey, Siri, and make a call. But, yeah. Yeah. Now, is there nothing commensurate in the Google world? I mean, there's other smartwatches. There is technically – Samsung also makes their own, but – They have a Galaxy smartwatch that has kind of a cool spinning thing.

Yeah, Galaxy Watch. Yeah. Yeah, it's probably the best Android-compatible smartwatch. And Huawei has kind of a cool one too, right? So Huawei did this thing that I thought was... It was a good try. It was a good try. It was a smartwatch that has a digital screen,

but then had a mechanical hand so that it looked like a normal watch when the screen is not on. The problem with that is when you go to look at your notifications or whatever you get, the hands are blocking the screen. So they didn't really think too hard about it. I mean, they got to that point and they're like, oh, you know what we'll do? We'll have this button where you press it and then the hands like move out the way and then no the screen the notification will like move to the side so you can read it it was they tried they really tried they tried to be different i respect the hell out of that good try huawei but no now do people do companies ever come

to you and say hey man you're you're really good at reviewing these things um are we fucking up here uh kinda sort of yeah red came to me before this existed in its in this form uh and it was in a prototype phase and they were still pretty far along, but it was kind of like, should we do this? Like, should we put this here? Should we keep the headphone jack? I was giving them sort of small answers. Yeah, they kept the headphone jack, little things like that.

But for the most part, I think what a lot of people don't understand about product development is it happens many, many, many, many months before you ever see the product show up. So I don't know if you remember like all the leaks about the Pixel 3 XL. All of them. Guarantee six months before the phone came out, it was done.

Yeah. Like they knew that that's what it was gonna look like. More than I think any phone that I can recall. Yeah. So like that's the same as the iPhone. Like they've been working on the, whatever the next iPhone is, they've been working on that iPhone.

And it's probably gonna be like a couple more months. And then they're like finalizing design and things like that. And so when you start to see phones come out like around like September and October, and they start to all kind of resemble each other, and then another one comes out and it looks the same. It's not like they saw the phone in early October and they were like, let's copy that. And then they made the next phone two weeks later. They've been working on this forever.

So like when the whole like the whole notch thing was, you know, people were like, oh, I hope Google's trolling us and that's not really the notch and they're going to have this phone with no notch. No, it's they've been working on this for a long time. This is what they planned. What is that one phone where the back slides up for the selfie camera? So there's two. I think what you're thinking of is Oppo Find 10. yeah that's a pretty i like the the idea it's pretty cool but i'm like man how

long is that thing gonna work that's the question it's gonna get some phones potato chips in there yeah any little debris the motors yeah phones are solid state for the most part for good reason you don't want a lot of moving parts in a phone that you're like running around with. There's another one called the Vivo Apex. No, it's another Vivo phone basically. NEX is what it's called. And it has just the selfie camera pop up at the top. Yeah, I've seen that one too.

And that's another thing. It's like, well, what if a grain of sand gets in there? Like is it toast immediately? Yeah, if you drop that sucker on the beach. If you drop it while it's open, is that over? Vivo Nex S. Yeah, Nex S or Nex. I don't know if I'm supposed to say Nex or whatever.

But that's an interesting. It looks cool because now, look, you have the fingerprint reader under the glass. You have all the way to the bottom is a screen and then all the way to the top is a screen. And then you just have the selfie camera. It looks awesome. Yeah, no bezels at all. Yeah. Or basically no bezels.

Pretty much. Tiny chin at the bottom. So that's the idea is like we're in this sort of a race to get to a bezel-less phone. And I guess that's the closest we can get right now is just having a little mechanical thing pop out. I think what we want is the stuff to be behind the glass. Yeah, a camera behind the glass, but then how would you see the image? Yeah. So I think if, based on what I know about the physics of the technology,

you need an OLED display and you need the camera to be behind the OLED display. And then when you light up the camera, you need like a little black circle where those pixels are off so that they can shine through. I don't know if this is all making sense. I think you're still going to always have like some sort of a black circle in the front of the phone somewhere. Well, what's fascinating about iPhone versus Android is that there's so much more room for possibility with Android because you have so many different manufacturers that are competing in that marketplace. They're trying to find some sort of a way to shine. And that was where the Huawei, was it the Mate RS? Was like the Porsche design version where I thought that was a really interesting phone

because it was stupid expensive, but it had a gigantic battery it had an incredible 20 megapixel camera great night photos low light photos yeah yeah they they really try to do like you know porsche design does a lot of different things they do sunglasses yeah all kinds of merch ballpoint pens they do all kinds of weird stuff it really has nothing to do with the car but what they really they design yeah they came up with something really high end yeah and they showed there's some sort of a market for that is that right there yeah they did it again yeah so now they did with the mate 20 they did the same thing it's a great looking phone but it's uh again when you look at like how much you have to pay versus what extra you're getting you might as well just get the mate 20 pro and not worry about the extra designs people

want that porsche design thing just to go look at me i'm a baller i'm a private jet bitch they did they did the same like porsche does that lamborghini does that uh ferrari does that. Lamborghini does that. Ferrari does that. Tesla does that. There is a Lamborghini edition Oppo Find 10. Yeah, I've heard. It's like carbon fiber and yellow accents. That's a badass looking phone, though. Well, I put it on the car, and it looks dope on the car, of course. That's a dope looking phone, period. Did you mess with that phone at all?

I messed with the Mate 20, but not the Porsche design one. It comes down to using the phone itself is going to be pretty much the same. Like once you get past like the design, which is a little bit different, you open up the phone and the software is, you get a cool couple wallpapers, but like it's the same phone on the inside. A little more storage maybe, but basically the same thing. But I just, I find it fascinating that they've decided to go that far out into the high end deep end. Yeah. I guess you have to,

to differentiate yourself at this point. $2,000, right? Yeah. Starts at $2,000. So like as, as hype as you want to get about it, like,

are you going to go pay $2,000 for that? Probably not. But then when the note nine came out, it kind of took a lot of the wind out of their sails. Battery was the same size. Camera is fairly similar. Big-ass screen. And the other thing about phones is we got all these phones that are $1,000 now,

and it's made it so easy to just bump up the price of your phone and not have anyone blink an eye. I've been thinking about that a lot. We have the iPhone 10 starts at a thousand dollars, right? So then the iPhone 10 R came out and I think they could have priced it anywhere from 650 to 850 and they just nestled it right in there at 750 and you're like, oh, that's way cheaper. So then this phone comes out, Pixel. Pixel 3 and Pixel XL. You probably don't remember what the Pixel 2 cost. But the Pixel 3 starts at $799, which seems what?

Like that's pretty reasonable, right? Mid-range. That's $150 more expensive than last year. Wow. Why? Like what's so much better about Pixel 3 than Pixel 2 that it's $150 more? The market has just lifted everything plus $200 so that $1,000 is the high end now.

And I think that's what's convinced companies like Huawei. If we want to compete with Apple and really make what seems and looks like a premium phone, we have to charge $1,200 so that people know it's better than the iPhone. If we charge $800, they're not going to think it's better than the iPhone. We have to charge more than Apple's charging to prove that we have more in our phone.

But OnePlus is interesting because they're really reasonable, but their specs are very high. I like them. They've had a good history of, like, they usually listen to what people seem to want in a phone. And they're also good at, like, picking high-end numbers that look great on paper and usually translate pretty well to like using the phone. But they always cut out, they cut as many corners as they can to get the price as low as they can. Their phone last year, it was about 550 bucks, right?

All glass, but no wireless charging, but it's glass. We have dual cameras. We hardly ever use a second camera, but it's dual cameras. Eight gigs of RAM, Snapdragon 845. A lot of phones have the same specs now these days, but they've gotten pretty good at going the opposite direction. We're not going to charge $1,000. We're going to make the same phone.

Trust us, it's the same, but for way less money. That's a much more popular direction to go as far as sales. Now, have they done the same strategy for the newest OnePlus? Yep. And they're coming out with a new one this month. Oh, okay. OnePlus 6T. They keep the headphone jack?

So far. So far. The headphone jack is a weird one, right? It's like how long is Samsung going to hold on to that sucker? Samsung's been very popular for keeping the headphone jack and not having a notch. They're like the last ones to have a headphone jack and no notch. Well, I'm a big fan of the way the Note 9 looks when I'm using it.

I'm like, that's a beautiful device. It feels premium in the hand. What do you think is wrong with it? With Note 9? Yeah. My biggest problem with Note 9? Yeah. My biggest problem with Note 9 is the front-facing camera and the software. And the software is not even that bad.

It's just it's gotten slow for me quickly a lot of times, like I've been using Note 9. I also don't think it's the prettiest software. I really like Samsung screens, so I know they can make good-looking stuff. But I think if they made, I don't know if you remember Google Play Edition when they used to do that. If they made a Google Play Edition Galaxy Note 9, I would instantly buy that phone. That would be sick because I love Google's like software being cleaner and looking a little better. Yeah. If you look at Samsung software, it looks kind of cartoony a lot of times, very colorful. Not a problem, but it's just not my favorite. I know some people have figured out a way to use the Google launcher on other phones, so they make other phones look like a Pixel. Yeah, you can only go so far back. You can use

a Google launcher and you can use an icon pack to use Google icons, but still you're going to have your settings pull down. It's still going to look like Samsung. You're going to have in the apps, like the settings app is still going to look like the Samsung settings app. You're still going to have three email apps and three messaging apps and all the stuff Samsung always does. Yeah, the messaging apps are weird. Do you want this one to be your default?

I don't know what that is. What is that one? I just want to use one and not have to think about it. What's message plus? Why is it better? If you use a Verizon Samsung Note, I think you end up with three messaging apps. Verizon Messages? There's a Verizon Messenger, and then there's the Message Plus, and there's Google's Messenger, and it's just a lot. And then there's Hangouts, and then how do I even get in touch with someone anymore?

It's a lot. And then how do I even get in touch with someone anymore? It's a lot. I wonder if there's ever going to be a time where something happens technologically where the walled garden of Apple sort of dissolves and everything becomes accessible. Apple will fight till they die to let that wall go down. They will never let that go down. That's like one of their biggest, most prideful accomplishments is building that wall. I mean, they really have nailed it you know other than brand loyalty and other than the prestige of having an apple product which is all very high yeah that walled garden that's where it's at

have you ever tried to leave an iphone i did like that's i did with a whole thing yeah okay it was a fucking nightmare yep i couldn't get text messages. That's very common. And here's the thing. I even called up Apple, and I said, I want you to remove me from your – From my message. Yeah, from your – I gave them my email address. I gave them a phone number, the whole deal. And they go, why?

I go, because I went with a Pixel phone. And it was like, pause. Like I just ate a baby. It's a different phone, you fucks. I'm trying to find a different phone. Let me out. Let me out of the wall. Let me out.

So then I call my friend. I go, hey, man, send me a text. Send me a text. I sent it. Shit. Nothing. I'm going to send you a text. Nothing.

Nothing. I'll go, okay. I'm going to shut it off and turn it back on. Nothing. You have to start with a new phone number. The wall. Yeah. You have to literally start with a new number. You have to start from a new phone number the wall yeah you have to literally start

with a new number you have to start from scratch and people get that green i think that's a big reason why i don't make my main phone number an iphone is because i know i'm like lowering myself into the garden like i can use an iphone but that will probably never be my main sim i have two sims my main number the one everyone has is an android. I think it will stay that way as long as that's the way it is. Well, I feel like you in your particular profession as a – you're a reviewer of all these things. I think you kind of have to do that. Yeah. Because otherwise you'd be in this weird position of –

Not being able to leave? Yeah. That was the thing. Okay. So there's a video Lou did actually this year. We keep saying Lou. Lou from Unbox Therapy. Yeah.

Clarify. Which was like, we all went to CES in January. We're all in Vegas every year in January. And we just went around the room and just went, what phone do you use? I saw that video. Yeah. What phone is in your pocket right now? Take it out and show us what phone you use.

iPhone after iPhone after iPhone. And there was a couple pixels in there. But every time you ask an iPhone person, like, so why an iPhone? And they're like, man, iMessage, FaceTime, like that ecosystem is real. Yeah, Lou seemed angry. He seemed angry that more people weren't using pixels. Well, there was a whole thing about just whatever phone. There's a lot of people who do sponsored videos where they'll talk about a phone as if they use it, but they don't.

And that was one of the things that at CES specifically that we kind of had a laugh with at our studio because you would think like if you watched everyone's videos, like, oh, everyone's using a Huawei. I guess Huawei had a big budget for CES and they just paid a bunch of people to make Mate 10 Pro videos at CES. So if you went into watching that video, like what phone is in everyone's pocket? I think you would just assume everyone's got a Huawei Mate 10 Pro and nobody did, which was really funny. Wow, that's dirty. And then the other thing is about Huawei, I hate trashing Huawei, but I also kind of love trashing Huawei, is they have a lot of money to pay celebrities to tweet ads for Huawei, basically. Gal Gadot being one of them, right?

Have you heard this story? So she's tweeted a bunch of Huawei ads, and I noticed that while she's a brand ambassador for Huawei, tweeting ads about how much she loves her Huawei phone, if you look in the details of the tweet, it's always via Twitter for iPhone. And it's like, whatever, she can use an iPhone. I don't care. But I thought it was funny, so I just tweeted it.

It's very funny. It blew up. And I had Huawei reach out to me like, how did you find this? How did you know? Where did you, is this a mistake? Like, could this be a, like, has this ever malfunctioned? I'm like, no, this is, that's how Twitter works.

Like, you can see the data. It's clearly an iPhone. And I thought that was hilarious. That's hilarious. That's my screenshot. And so not only did Gal Gadot block me. Oh, Gal Gadot, the fucking Wonder Woman lady? Yeah, Wonder Woman.

Ah. So. Wonder Woman, you fucking fake. From an iPhone. It's just funny because look at the picture of her holding the phone that's so hilarious she blocked you not only did she block me but huawei since then has tweeted all re they deleted like her latest tweets and reposted them from an android phone and she's tweeted from an android phone ever since i'll give her respect for that wow they probably told her you're gonna all that cash. There's no way she's tweeting.

She has a team. I get it. Whoever was on her team tweeting from an iPhone... The fact that she blocked you, that was gross. I thought that was hilarious. That's gross. I thought it was really funny. You didn't do anything mean. No, I didn't. I tagged her in it and she probably was just getting barraged

by people going, you're using an iPhone? Why? I think it was like a year later she unblocked me. It was really funny. Oh, she unblocked you? She unblocked me. Thanks, gal. Thanks, gal.

Well, I really love her as Wonder Woman. And my friend Patty is actually directing that movie. Oh, nice. Directed the first one. She's directing the second one, too. She says gal's a great gal. Tell gal I said hi. Gal, it's OK.

You got busted. It's all good. It happens. You're not alone. You a hundred percent not alone that happened recently um razor the company who made that razor phone tweeted their official announcement tweet of the razor phone 2 from an iphone how they their speakers were excellent in the first one they're even better are they better in the second one yeah and the better the second one has ip68 or 67 ip67 i'm pretty sure so water resistant up to like 30 minutes one meter something like that not bad you can splash it i wouldn't go

underwater with it but you can splash it but 68 is pretty pretty damn good yeah 68 is the damn good. Yeah. 68 is the new iPhone, and 68 is also the Note. Yes, both are 68. XR is 67. Pixel 3? Pixel 3 is 68, I think, also. But the weird thing about IP certification is it's just, as far as I know, the way it works is you just submit the phone for a certain test, and if it passes, then you get to say it's certified.

You submit the phone for a certain test, and if it passes, then you get to say it's certified. And the only difference between IP67 and IP68 is IP67 is technically certified for 30 minutes, 1 meter. And IP68 is certified for 30 minutes, 1.5 meters. And the meter ratings, sometimes it's 2 meters, sometimes it's a little more, but it's basically just a measurement of water pressure. How much pressure is different than half a meter? I don't know. I mean, water is heavy, but it didn't seem that significant to me.

But it's basically just water pressure. So if you splash the phone a little harder, is it going to break versus an IP68 phone? I don't know. It just seems safe to get IP68 every time, but it must be a big enough difference that some of them can't do it. Interesting. Listen, man, I'm glad we finally got a chance to do this. It's really cool.

I'm a giant fan of your videos. Thank you. Like I said at the beginning, I really do go to you immediately. I think you do a fantastic job. You cover all the bases. You do a great job. Awesome stuff. Thank you. I appreciate that. For sure.

Give people the address of your YouTube channel, your Twitter, Instagram, all that jazz. It will always be the same five letters, MKBHD. So YouTube.com slash MKBHD. What does that stand for? MKB is my initials. Oh, okay. HD for high definition. Oh, all right.

There you go. MKBHD on everything everything alright thanks brother appreciate it no problem bye everybody