The Joe Rogan Experience - #1193 - Shane Dorian

Episode Date: November 5, 2018

Shane Dorian is a big wave surfer and bowhunter. He's also part of a new HBO Documentary premiering on December 11 called "Momentum Generation".

Yeah, he's uh, I think he's too smart. He's too smart to talk to regular people. Boom! Powerful big wave surfer. How are you, buddy? I'm great. We just got back from playing a little techno hunt. We did, man. Greatest thing of all time, right? I was just saying, I don't care what the price is, it's worth it. It's a bargain at twice the price of whatever it is. Yeah, for people who don't know what it is, it's this game that it simulates bow hunting.

So what it is is a giant screen that's made out of Kevlar. And then it's got like a projector, projects HD images of elk and deer. You can set it up for a bunch of different animals. But elk and deer walk across the screen, and you shoot at them. And it's like the perfect – we showed a little video of Shane doing it earlier. It's really cool, man. It's a perfect practice for bow hunting because one of the things about bow hunting is you get nervous. And the more you could do something like this where you just shot a perfect shot, the more you could do that over and over and over again,

the more it becomes ingrained in your nervous system, ingrained in your muscles, ingrained in your memory. And then it becomes natural. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, it's pretty dope. We're going to make this podcast about 15 minutes long and go back and shoot some more. Yeah, that's what we're actually talking about, cutting off the podcast short just for that. So tell me about this movie, man. Yeah. So I'm in LA for the premiere, the HBO premiere of the Momentum Generation. It's a, it's a, it's a sports documentary that, that, that HBO and Robert Redford did. So it's cool, man. It's, it's, it's really cool. It's, it's a story about my friends and I, we, you know, we all grew up

competitive surfers and in high school, we all sort of met each other through competitions, competing. So this tells a story of how we basically met, how we grew up, and how we became friends and family, basically, like traveling around the world together as basically like little kids with no chaperones on tour around the world. So it's fucking crazy. It's a wild story. Pull this up to your, like keep this like a fist away from your face.

How old were you when you first started surfing? I started surfing on a stand-up surfboard when I was five. And when did you start traveling to surf? When I was 12, I went to England for the World Amateur Championships. Wow. So I was on the Hawaii team. So you've been just doing this traveling, surfing thing most of your life.

Yeah. Wow. I have. It's crazy. That is nuts, man. I've been putting my surfboards in a board bag and walking out the door with my passport since I was 12 and going to so many different destinations around the world literally just for surfing.

Wow. Fucking nuts. It's such a crazy way to grow up. And that's the cool thing about the film is all of us had that in common. And it's crazy the way the story is set up too because there's so many things in it that I didn't really realize were happening at the time. Like I came from a broken family, alcoholic father, you know, kind of a radical situation at home. And then like a lot of us had like broken families. A lot of us had that in common. So we sort of have like this weird fucked up family dynamic in common. So we all became

sort of like our own family on the road. So we were competing for a world title. We were all competing and going around the world all the time, staying together. So we became best friends, like this nucleus of surfers. And we all just became ultra close. And then when things got really serious with the surfing competition, and there was a lot on the line with sponsors and money and big brands coming in, the shit hit the fan. And then we started like breaking up.

It got too serious. It was almost like a band who just couldn't stand each other anymore or things got too radical or you know girls got in the way or money got in the way and so there was like this kind of like breaking up element you know throughout our group wow i would imagine when you're living like that those people must be so valuable for you though people that can understand your way of life because it's their way of life too because like to to a regular person who commutes every day and goes to an office and comes home like your life is alien yeah it is i still get like i still get uncomfortable

when people ask me what i do for a living you know like i'll like i'll be in like a normal random setting and someone will be like oh yeah yeah, what do you do for a living? And I'm like, no, do not ask me that. Because nobody understands, you know, it's like. What do you tell them? I tell them the truth, but it's, I just always tell them like, it's really hard to explain, but I serve for a living. I mean, what the fuck is that? Yeah, do they go, how does that work?

How do you get paid? Yes, all the time. And I just go, I have no idea. Well, you don't necessarily compete any longer, right? No, not at all. You just ride big waves. I do. I ride big waves.

That's my focus. And I also ride all kinds of waves. I surf every day. And, you know, the waves don't get big that often. Right. But when the waves are biggest, I'm on it. Yeah. For a person that like is

just meeting you for the first time and doesn't understand surfing and it's trying to wrap their head around making a living yeah riding the waves of the ocean it was a how why wait a minute no I went to accounting school and I and I don't have there's not like a there's nothing I't have, there's not like a, there's nothing, I mean, there's not like another category I can really point to to make the point go quicker. There's not like, you know, it's like there's basketball players and football players and all of them are like scoring goals and getting these brand endorsements from that, from competition element. So because I'm a free surfer who doesn't compete at all, it's just, it's hard to wrap your head around. That's even harder. Yeah.

Basically, I, you know, I, you know, I have a large surfing profile. And so, like, I work with a lot of brands and that's just the kind of the way it works. And just sponsors. Yeah. Yeah. Now, this movie, this documentary, do they have footage of you guys from when you were really young? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they do. Is that weird watching that stuff? Yeah. Very weird. Cause we're all

in our forties now. We all got kids and for most of us, except for Kelly, Kelly's still going. He's 46 years old. I, I, I saw him on your show the other day. It was pretty classic, but so, so he's like a focal point in the film. He's, he's part of the momentum generation. And, So he's like a focal point in the film. He's part of the momentum generation. And so there's incredible footage of him when he's, you know, nine years old or ten years old. And he's in Florida like a little rat, like a little sunburned rat. And it's neat. You know, I mean, we all had that in common.

We all grew up in different places. And then we all fell in love with surfing, you know, separately. And then we all just became super tight. Wow. It was great. It's great. And then now we're all, like, best friends again because there's no points on the line or world title on the line or, like, brands getting in the way or girls getting in the way. We're all, you know.

Yeah. We're finally growing up. That, I mean, that had to be strange, though, to be so tight and then everything sort of get bottlenecked by the pressure. Yeah. And you think surfing, how much pressure could there be? But, you know, we're all trying to make a living, right? It's like, you know, that was our dream to, like, surf as much as possible and see the world. And that's the only way you could do it for us.

Whenever there's competition, there's got to be massive amounts of pressure. Whenever there's someone trying to achieve something or someone trying to rise to the top of a profession and you're surrounded by a bunch. But you also must have pushed each other, too. And it must have been beneficial to have people like you around as well. I think it's part of our human DNA to be naturally competitive. I think especially men. I think we feel like we have something to prove. Where we stand compared to the other guys. Whether it was in the caveman days or the first hunters.

For sure they were competitive to see who could bring home meat for the tribe. And then it just kept going from there and and and now we we we compete with whatever we're into and you know for us with surfing we came hyper competitive and especially me like from the time i was like maybe 16 or 17 until the time i was like my mid-20s i was like super competitive where i want to rip people's heads off in my heat like I would like visualize horrible horrible things happening to them while I was competing against them like what and it's so crazy how that's gone 100% gone from my my being now I can't even imagine doing that I'm like the most relaxed non-competitive person I have no competitiveness left in my body well I've only known you for what four years or something like that in those years I could not imagine you having evil thoughts no towards someone no seems so chill I was a shit talker

were you really oh yeah I I remember I was surfing against this guy Damien Hardman and and he was like an Australian world champion he was like an older generation we were from the young like new school generation we were coming up and there's these established guys who didn't want to, you know, like be dethroned. And there was this guy, Damien Hardman, who was a badass competitive surfer. But he was a very like tactician, conservative. You never fall. He seemed like a nerd to me. You know what I mean?

I was like this raw kid from Hawaii. And this guy was like so presentable and professional. And I just like resented it. And I was in a heat with him and he got priority, which means that he had first right of wave. And I just needed a tiny little score to win. And he basically sat on me, which means he uses his, he used his priority to chase me around the lineup and sit on me and keep me from getting a wave and let the time run out. And the whole time I was like, you surf like a girl. You surf like a little bitch. I was like totally shit talking him.

Did it work? Did he get you? He got me because I basically cracked and started getting emotional. And he loved it. He went, I got this guy beat. He's starting to shit talk me he loved that i any any he actually came up to me later and goes i love it that you're that passionate i love it that you got that psyched and that emotional where you just started

like trying to like insult me he's like that's my goal when i'm in heat with people is to get them to that point you know it must like that's that good. There's got to be a lot of parallels, the fight world, right? Huge. Yeah. Well, it's also when, when you can get someone emotional, then they're fighting in particular is so dangerous. And so when you lose, you're not just losing, like someone's taking a piece of you, you know, cause they're fucking you up. They're not, it's not just beating you on points. I mean, they are beating you on points sometimes, but they're punching you in the face to beat you on those points. You know, they're fucking you up. It's not just beating you on points. I mean, they are beating you on points sometimes, but they're punching you in the face to beat you on those points. They're kicking you in the body. They're fucking your legs up.

There's something about that that's so intensely emotional. So when you're fighting, if you're fighting at your best, you have to be in like this sort of flow state, this sort of zen, not thinking about anything but what's happening and reacting and just going on your training and your instincts. And if you can get a guy to be angry and emotional, it will severely impair, for most fighters, severely impair your ability to perform. Most fighters, they lose, they get tense, they tighten up, they look to wind up instead of just letting things flow.

We're talking about this guy Stylebbender, who fought this weekend. That guy flows. Like, when you watch him fight, he just flows. I mean, he walks into the octagon dancing. Yeah. I mean, like, full-on dancing. Right. Like, popping and moving and strutting.

How's that mindset? He just gets loose. And when he gets in there, he's switching stances. Right. But there was a mad shit talking session between these two guys for the last six weeks right but he stayed calm through the whole thing and you could see when the two got into the octagon derrick brunson just couldn't wait to just grab a hold of him and stylebender just avoided all that shit and wound up k.o.ing

him in the first round but the emotional aspect aspect of the shit talking and the tension that it brings, because it tightens guys up. Like we were talking about bow hunting. Like you see a big elk. You have one shot at a big elk. One shot. You draw back your bow and you're like, holy shit. And it's literally a life or death moment. So there's all this tension.

And if you could alleviate that tension, that pressure, you would, you would perform better. The mindset is everything. It's everything. It's everything. Yeah. It's everything. I'm sure it's everything with golf. It's everything with pool. It's everything with any, anytime there's something on the line. Well, what's fascinating is like for you, like you've watched thousands of fights, like ringside, right? Yeah, sure. So, so like you, you must be like, ringside right yeah sure so so like you you must be like okay we're in the second round and this guy is you know these two guys are like up and up it's you know it's like a it's like a super tight fight and you guys this is a good fight and there

must be inflection points where you instantly know that one guy is going to lose like something happens with their psyche or something happens with their you can see in their eyes you can see it in their body language all of a sudden they lose that edge, that mindset, and they basically have already lost, even though it's like right in the middle of the round. Sometimes, yeah. And then you see one guy that's like. One of the crazy things about fighting is it's so unpredictable.

Even when you think a guy's going to lose, sometimes they come back and win by knockout, like out of nowhere. I watched that fight. It's just a crazy sport. Derrick Lewis? Yeah, the guy with the awesome Instagram. Yeah. The big black dude. Dude, he was losing that fight. Yes. I's just a crazy sport. Derek Lewis? Yeah, the guy with the awesome Instagram. Yeah.

The big black dude. Dude, he was losing that fight. Yes. I'm not a fight nerd. No, he was getting fucked up. But he was losing. I'm like, dude, the guy's losing the fight. There's zero chance to win. Next thing you know, he won.

That was so exciting. Volkov, the guy he beat had just beaten Fabricio Verdum, who was a former heavyweight champion. Beat him by knockout. So Alexander's the real deal. I mean, he was what I thought was the dark horse in the heavyweight division. But he stood in front of Derek for too long. And Derek hit him with a fucking bomb. He had hurt him earlier, too, because Derek hit him and knocked his mouthpiece out.

And he didn't know his mouthpiece was gone. So the referee was trying to give him the mouthpiece. And he's like, no, that's not my mouthpiece. That's his mouthpiece. And the referee's like, motherfucker, you don't have a mouthpiece. I'm holding his mouthpiece was gone yeah the referee was trying to get him the mouthpiece yeah he's like no that's not my mouthpiece that's his mouthpiece the referee's like motherfucker you don't have a mouthpiece i'm holding your mouthpiece that's the mindset he's in the zone dude i don't think he was in the zone i think he was in space well that's that mindset of me i think he'd already been clipped you know but but fighting like the nature of fighting is built for competition it's perfectly suited to competition surfing's not right right surfing i think surfing is like the nature of fighting is built for competition. It's perfectly suited to competition. Surfing's not right.

Surfing. I think surfing is like the least suited for competition. I don't see surfing as a sport whatsoever. Because when you're on the wave, you have to be Zen. You have to go with the flow of the wave. You're not really competing against another person per se, even though you are,

you're really riding the wave and you're being judged. Yeah. Which is weird because it's artistic by humans. Yeah. But I think the i think the single most important aspect of surfing that makes it not good for competition is you're dealing with mother nature right it's completely unfair right right right like you might get an awesome wave the next guy might get a shitty one yeah some kid who on a scale of one to ten their ability level is like a 3, can beat Kelly Slater in a heat easily. Because it's just like if that kid gets the best waves in the heat and Kelly accidentally falls, he loses.

That's just the way it is. Where if I was playing LeBron James a thousand games in a row, I'm never going to win. Never going to win. It's impossible. a thousand games in a row, I'm never going to win. Never going to win. It's impossible. But, I mean, surf competition is cool, but surfing is just as a lifestyle, as like a way to like stay sane

and have peace in your life and meet friends. That's what surfing is about. Surfing is fucking awesome for that. Do you think you appreciate it more now that you're not competing? Yeah, I do. Because I don't see it as... The surfing to me is tied to like only happiness and only like surfing with my son and his friends and and surfing with my daughter

and going to the beach and and traveling to get epic waves it's not about like pressure and points and a world title and sponsors putting pressure on me and me putting pressure on myself that basically like the the the the pressure part of surfing is gone which is amazing you know i still put pressure on myself to surf at a high level and perform at a high level to myself um and and you know and be able to like you know have have an A game still, for sure. I love that. I love the performance aspect of surfing. But the actual competition part is gone for me. It's so cool, though, that you kept the love of it after the competition was gone.

Because, like, one of the things that happens to some, well, it definitely happens to fighters. They retire and they get fat. They don't want to work out anymore. Right. Because the working out was so torturous yeah and it felt so much like work that after it's over whatever love they had for martial arts sort of goes out the window and they start putting on weight they don't want to they don't want to train anymore but you even after the competition was over you kept the love yeah i i Surfing is this unique thing.

I don't know how you can fall out of love with surfing. Surfing, I mean, from the moment I stood on a surfboard and rode my first wave, I knew that was who I was in my DNA. Wow. Like, pure and simple. This is who I am. First wave. My yoga teacher has become obsessed with DNA. My yoga teacher has become obsessed with surfing. My yoga teacher has become obsessed with surfing.

Yeah. All of her Instagram now is just surfing. She just surfs every day now. That's so weird. Out of nowhere. And like 35 years old, she found surfing. Surfing is a weird thing, but it takes – there's not very many things that are really similar to surfing in that way where you can fall in love with it being five years old or 80 years old. Yeah, well, I would think being a yoga teacher too,

like she's got incredible balance, right? Like having balance would probably really help your ability to pick that up. You know what's cool about surfing is it's, you know, like if I, let's see, if I took 100 people and said, you guys are gonna learn how to drive a race car and you had like a six-week course just pure race car driving 100 the 100 of those people are gonna become really good at driving cars and going super fast and racing and they'll have this really accelerated learning curve and get pretty damn good at it. Snowboarding, yoga, like almost anything. Surfing, like I know people who have been surfing for three decades and they suck. I'm serious.

What is it? They've never gotten a tube, like in the tube. That's like the holy grail of surfing, like riding inside the waves, like right in the center of it. Surfing is freaking hard, man. It's like, it's has, it's like, um, I don't know. It's, it's, uh, but it doesn't mean you have to be good to enjoy it. Surfing's awesome no matter what level you're at. And that's the beauty of surfing. But surfing is hard to do, man. It's really hard to get good at. So that's why you get people

surfing, you know, five years and they're pretty good. And there's people who surf 50 years and they've never been good. But what is it? Is it a balance issue? Is it ability to adjust your ability to correct while things are happening? Like, what is it? I think a lot of it is like body awareness and just adapting to something that's changing all the time. Like, say it's like, you know, say for, for instance, like basketball, you know, the hoops there,

the basketball's in your hands. It's not, the elements never changed. There's no variables really. Right. Besides some dude trying to block it or, or golf. You got the club,

you got the ball, you got the hole. But with, with surfing, you got your board and you got you, but that wave's never the same. There's literally never one wave's not the same to any others in the world. And so every single time you're adapting to things

that are changing in real time, like up to the millisecond, the wave's changing shape as you're riding it. So you're never reacting to something that is gonna stay put. You're anticipating the wave changing shape and that's what you're gonna, like I'm gonna do a bottom turn into a big turn or an aerial maneuver or whatever it is.

But you're not reacting to something that's happening now. You're reacting to the future. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does make sense. Now, if I was a guy who had been surfing for 30 years and I sucked and I was friends with you. You would still love it. Still? Yeah.

Surfing is awesome. You can be the biggest kook in the world and have the most fun. That's why surfing is so cool. Is that what someone who You can be the biggest kook in the world and have the most fun. That's why surfing's so cool. Is that what someone who sucks is called, a kook? No. What's a kook? A kook is someone who has no awareness in the water. Oh.

That's really what a kook is. A kook. A kook. Like if I'm out there surfing and I'm sitting out there and I'm waiting for a wave and you paddle out and I've been waiting for a wave for a long time or some, some, some girls, 16 year old girls out there surfing and she's been waiting for, you know, 15, 20 minutes and you paddle out and you paddle right past her. And the next way that comes in, you just turn around and go, you're a kook. Okay. So that's, that's if you're unaware of the situation. Yeah. That's just being, that's how people get in fights surfing, right? Oh yeah.

Yeah, that's just being yeah, that's how people get in fights surfing. Oh, yeah, which is common. Yeah Well, a lot of surfers are really in a jiu-jitsu probably pretty dangerous. Yeah to pick a fight with a surfer Oh, yeah, what is that one guy's name Joel? from Hawaii Ace from San Diego with Joel Tudor. Yes. Yeah, he's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. He is. Yeah. And you would never know it. Yeah. He looks like so unassuming. Yeah. He looks like a guy who fixes computers.

He is. And he's a stony baloney, super skinny, hippie, cruisy dude with like stony eyes. But he'll fuck you up. He will fuck you up. But he's cool, man. He's awesome. And he's an incredible surfer. Yeah.

Incredible surfer. I've seen some footage of him surfing. Amazing style and stuff. But he's very unassuming. There he is. There's Joel. His jiu-jitsu is super legit, too. Yeah.

I've talked to people that have trained with him. Oh, yeah. They say he's super legit. He'll tie you up real quick. And I would imagine that from that background, like surfing and that body awareness and the ability to adjust and change that's one of the things about jiu-jitsu is like every role is different you you have you're rolling with different people different size people and your ability to adjust and change is always

changing i mean it's always movement it's always that's exactly right to adapt to that weirdness of the movement so jiu-jitsu and surfing are you know they totally have their similarities because you're you're sort of anticipating the guy's next move. Yeah. Which is very similar to surfing and the wave, you know? You're reacting to what that guy's going to do in the future, not to what's happening right that very second, right? A lot of times. If I was a guy that had been surfing for 30 years and I sucked and I knew you, I'd be like, hey, Shane Dorian, what the fuck am I doing wrong?

How do I fix this? Yeah, I don't know. Is there fixing it? Surfing's not like golf where you need to get better all the time. You know what I'm saying? Right. You can enjoy it even if you suck.

Is that what you mean? If you're a golfer and you I'm not a golfer but if you're a golfer and your average game is like an 82 and I said, Joe if you buy this putter for $1,000, your average score will be an 80, you're going to buy that putter because it's the freaking world to you to shave two strokes off your game.

That's the biggest thing in the world to improve. No one gives a shit if they're slightly better at surfing. All you care about is like waking up at waking up the crack of dawn having your coffee cruising down to the beach seeing the waves and reading the tides and the wind and the and like going surfing with your buddies and having fun and then you go get breakfast and you get some breakfast tacos and go to work that's the lifestyle it's like keeps people sane that's why they do it they don't do it to get better or surf super good or go really fast. That stuff's fun. But, I mean, I don't have any more fun than a guy who surfs half as good as me. We have the same amount of fun.

But I bet he wishes he could surf as good as you. Yeah, for sure. And I wish I surfed as good as the best surfer on earth. But it doesn't make it more fun, which is – that's why I love surfing. That's why it's so cool. That's fascinating. So what doesn't make it more if you want to get better at it if it doesn't make it more fun what does it make it more it does something if it doesn't make it more fun does it make it more satisfying if you're

better at it like when you surf at a high level which is important to you now it gives you more options because the waves get big right which makes you more fun so it's really difficult to surf really big waves with with really low ability right so when the waves get big. Right, which makes you more fun. So it's really difficult to surf really big waves with really low ability. Right. So when the waves get big and really heavy and technical, you can't go out there unless you have really good ability level. Unless you have a high ability level, you really can't perform in really great, great conditions.

Right. So, like, when you see the crazy conditions where you guys get towed out and you ride those 80-foot waves, that kind of shit. No one who's goofy is doing that. There's some goofy guys doing that because you're using machines to tow you into waves. Is that you? Oh, Jesus, Shane. Get out of there. Oh, fuck.

That just gives me such anxiety watching this. How big is that wave? I don't know. Probably 60 feet on the face at the start. God damn, son. What does that feel like right there when it's over? This part's cool. Watch.

I get air on the way down. Oh, my God. You'll see my board goes completely in the air right there. Oh, dude. Dude, you are so high. That is so high. That wave is so giant. It's like 40 feet above your head right now. Oh my God, this gives me anxiety. of like who I am, what I do best, that moment, that wave coming in at that, at that minute in

my life where I was in the right square foot of the ocean, when that wave came in, that was the best, that was one of the best days in history at that surf spot. Wow. Um, and I was there, I was prepared. I was healthy. I had the right board, the right equipment, the right energy level. I wasn't sick. I didn't have any, you know, everything was just lined up and the waves were lined up and the swell was lined up and the wind was you know, everything was just lined up. And the waves were lined up. And the swell was lined up. And the wind was lined up. And the tide was lined up.

And I was in a perfect spot when that wave came in. Do you watch that video all the time? No. But every time I do, I remember all those things because it seems so much luck had to do with it. It was just like a line in, the stars aligning. That almost seems like something I want to watch every day. Like get the day going. You know your first kiss from a girl?

Yeah. That's what that is. Wow. That, like, mind blown. Whoa. This is like an important moment in my life. I need to, like, have this moment in time frozen. That's what that is right there.

And so I think as an adult, you very rarely have those moments left. I mean, like, really, like, mind expanding, mind exploding moments where i mean like a really like mind expanding mind exploding moments where you're like holy shit this is life 100 life right now and that's that's what i think we're all chasing you know i mean those people sitting in traffic outside right now driving the freeway they're not having those moments not right then that's a real problem yeah that's a real problem with life is that people aren't having enough of those moments. And when you're 75 yards away from that elk a few weeks ago and you had an hour to really think about what you're doing and where you were in your life and how you got to 75 yards away from this animal and the whole year of practicing on the target and all the millions of arrows you shot and all the preparation and then this thing stands up and time's ticking and that moment is there for the taking and it's so easy to fuck up and it it all happens the way that you you hope to visualize it those moments don't happen very

often man no they don't that is what what a lot of people like yourself or myself are chasing you're always chasing these these above average moments these high level moments these moments where just everything's elevated yeah like when you're drawn back on a big elk there's not another thing in your mind there's nothing on your mind other than your shot execution and getting it done and everything's heightened and all this just pressure around you some guys shake like i've seen some guys drawn back on an animal and their arms are shaking like they're shaking yeah like that you see it in everything so much anticipation they could barely keep it together i mean that's what target panic is right it's like there's all this this freak out juice there's different yeah there's there's a lot of different levels yeah well i've seen guys do that where they had a perfect shot opportunity animals standing 20 yards away broadside exactly what you pray for and they get in the shakes and

have to let down let down wow they don't even take a bad shot they'd let down and just like i can't do it just too much anxiety that's probably better than shooting oh it's much better yeah for sure smart yeah that's a that's an aware person yeah it is but i mean i think human beings are meant to have a lot of those kind of experiences those experiences make life richer and more satisfying yeah you know i mean sounds like to people who love animals like oh you piece of shit you want to kill an animal and that makes life better? It's not that. I'm eating meat no matter what. I feel better when I eat meat.

I believe it's healthier. I've had these discussions with nutritionists and scientists, and I just think it's better for you. I really do. And for me to get it that way is way better because I'm getting my meat along with this insane hobby that's super difficult to do. I mean, I could go out and just shoot a bunch of pigs with a rifle and I could get my meat that way and it would still be fun. It would still be thrilling. It would still be ethical. Wouldn't be the same though. It's not the same experience. No. I mean, do you, do you, do you you hunt 100% just for meat?

You can get meat at the store. Like the experience of those moments out there with your friends and under the pressure and just putting yourself in that position where you need to make it count, that's part of our human existence. makes life worth living is, is, is having to, I don't even know, but just where like, you know, I don't know. But yeah, I know what you mean. You can get meat at the store, but you can't get wild elk at the store and you can't get it that way. Yeah. There's a bit, there's just such a giant difference between your relationship with the meat that you're eating when I take an elk steak out of the freezer and I defrost it and I season it your food looks amazing by the

way like really really good at it yeah yeah I'm getting good at it well the week after you were in an elk camp in Utah we were there with Chad Ward whiskey whiskey bent barbecue on Instagram who's a master chef. I mean, he's a fucking wizard. He's a pit master. He wins those world championships and shit, and he taught me how to cook it properly. That's awesome. And it's all about doing it slow and then searing

it afterwards. Right. And you just maintain all the juices. How many people screw that up? Everybody. Yeah. Even one of the guides. One of the guides was talking to me about he said wild game's kind of tough. And we were like, well, how are you cooking it? He's like, well, I just throw it of the guides. One of the guides was talking to me about he said wild game is kind of tough. And we were like, well, how are you cooking it? He's like, well, I just throw it on the grill. You can't do that. You can't just throw it on the grill.

Or cook it on high heat, too. You basically sear it and then serve it. You're like, this is not sashimi. Right. Well, you can if you do it real thin. Slice it crazy thin. Yeah, you can cook it like that. It's not bad, but it's way better if you do it low and slow.

I've brought it down to 225 now. I like to cook it at 225. I just set it at 225, and I'll cook an elk steak for fucking an hour. Yeah. You know, whatever it takes. You do that in Traeger? Yeah. Because if you set a Traeger at 225, you use a setting called super smoke. Yeah.

And so it just fills that, the inside of the smoker. Those things are so good for wild game. Oh, fantastic. They really are. Fantastic. Yeah. It's all just, the beautiful thing about them is, the people don't know what we're talking about, a Traeger is a pellet grill.

And these pellet grills, like this table's made out of oak, right? When they cut this table, they would take the sawdust from this table and they compress it and just using the natural sugars in the wood they create these pellets and then these pellet grills they have these worm drives that feed these pellets into a heating element and the heating element it just it just gets hot and then fire and then a fan blows on the fire to keep the fire going and it's all computer controlled. So it calculates the exact same temperature and it maintains that temperature.

It's so good, but it's just so pure. It's just wood and fire. No gas, no chemicals like on charcoal briquettes or no bullshit. Food tastes so good off the things too. Fucking phenomenal. Every time I have people over at my house and I cook wild game on my Traeger, I have these people like, what the hell? I need to get one of these things.

My mom's has sold like a million of them already. Once you learn how to cook with them and learn how to do it correctly, they have those little ones now. Especially wild game because wild game is really easy to screw up and it's really hard to screw it up on a Traeger. Right. It really is. Because of the fact that it doesn't have much fat in it. Yeah. It doesn't dry it out.

It doesn't cook out the moisture and the flavor. Right, right, right. Do you take yours afterwards and set it in a cooler to let it rest? I don't do that. That's next level. Is it? That's next level. See?

I'm getting gems here. I'm getting gold. This is from Dudley. What he does is he'll sear it, and then he'll cover it with aluminum foil and put it in a Traeger, or put it in a Yeti, rather. Put it in a cooler and seal put it in a Yeti rather, put it in a cooler and close, seal that cooler up for like 10 minutes. And what's in the cooler besides the meat? Nothing.

There's no like a little like ice pack or anything like that to cool it down? No, no, you don't want ice. You don't want ice. You just let it sit. It's actually still cooking. Okay. So I let it sit. I let it sit, but I don't, I don't wrap it up in foil.

But if you wrap it in aluminum foil and then let it sit inside a cooler, the cooler actually allows it to continue cooking just a little bit. Okay, so how many degrees do you take it out before it? 115. I like to take it out at 115, and then I sear the outside of it, and then I seal it up with aluminum foil, and then I put it in the Yeti, and I'll let it sit in that Yeti for 10 minutes. So it's continuing to slowly cook, slowly. Because if you take something warm and you

put it in a Yeti, it'll keep it warm. If you take something cold, it just insulates. Incredibly fantastically insulated. And so it works with heat or with cold. Alright, alright, alright. I'm gonna try it. Talk to Dudley. I will. He's the wizard at this stuff. And he's constantly cooking wild

game. Essentially, that's all he does. He's a good cook. He's a very good cook. Yeah. Have you ever been to. He's a good cook. He's a very good cook. Have you ever been to his place? He should be. He does a lot of hunting. He better be doing a lot of cooking, too. Yeah. He just drove all the way from Oklahoma to Kansas.

He shot a deer in Kansas, drove from—or not Kansas, Oklahoma. Shot a deer in Oklahoma, drove all through the night in Oklahoma, and parked his truck and got into a blind in Iowa. I mean, he just lives it. He's hardcore. He's as hardcore as you get. Yeah. But that's all he eats.

I mean, he's constantly eating deer and cooking deer. And he loves cooking for other people, like large groups of friends and family, and he's always cooking and entertaining. I love that about him. Like when we were on Lanai, he cooked for like 10 of us yeah that was awesome incredible meals and everything was well gained this is freaking awesome that lanai trip man that is that i look forward to that every year it's like a highlight of my year yeah you know when are we doing it this year i know right we gotta talk we gotta talk dates we gotta figure out the dates because that last year was so amazing to have everybody down there.

Such a good crew. So fucking cool. Green Tree and Cam. It's just awesome. And then the first year we invented the Cat Lady drink. Yeah. That one ridiculous podcast. It's lived on too, hasn't it?

Yeah, that was ridiculous. I don't know. I think Dudley might be still drinking it. I don't think anybody else is. It kind of died off. Red Bull and wine and what was it, tequila? That was a little bit ambitious. That was a Dudley concoction.

Yeah, he was already hammered. He was just raiding my mini bar, just taking whatever's in there and pouring it. Oh, he's like a mad scientist with liquors, isn't he? He's not afraid. That was such a fun podcast, though. We're all just enjoying. There's something about

Lanai, too, where you can hunt in paradise. Yeah. I mean, and it's such a small island. It's like you, there's not very many

people there. The whole island only has 3,000 humans. And a shitload of deer. It's crazy. Around every bush, it seems like sometimes. Yeah.

That's a great thing is it's so easy to screw up hunting those axis deer, especially with a bow that it's crazy around every bush it seems like sometimes yeah that's a great thing is it's so easy to screw up hunting those axis deer especially with a bow that it's so neat to go and like find your arrow and then you know five minutes later you got a whole another group to stalk yeah it's awesome well it's also the most ethical form of hunting because they literally need to be hunted they have to be they don't have any predators it's a and it's it's not something that some person who was a greedy person said oh oh, I'm going to put all these deer on this island and I'm going to go hunt them. They were brought there for a gift for King Kamehameha in the 1800s. And it doesn't take a wildlife biologist to tell you that the numbers will get out of hand if you don't hunt them.

Like when you're there, it's really obvious. That's a perfect example of how somewhere needs to be managed. Yeah. And I know those guys on Maui have that project going on where they're hunting deer and then they're giving the meat to poor people. Yeah. Which is the best meat in the world. I mean, it's such fun. I agree.

The deer is so delicious. That's a great program. It's a fantastic program. What is the name of that? It's got some crazy name. That's Jake Muse and the Kahiki Nui Project. Yeah, that's the name. Kahiki a fantastic program. What is the name of that? It's got some crazy name. That's Jake Muse and the Kahikinui Project. Yeah, that's the name. Kahikinui Project.

See, you're from Hawaii. You can spit those words out. My mouth is like Kahikinui. It's funny. You should have Jake on the show. He's a really good dude and he's got some great stories and he's really well educated and knows his business really well. So he started a meat company.

Yeah. So he does eradication in Hawaii because it needs to be done and needs to be managed. And they're on Maui. Yeah. And so he, you know, he wanted to, you know, to be able to actually utilize that meat because, you know, these big ranches and golf courses and stuff, they actually pay him to come in there and do it. And so he actually flipped it and figured out a way to start a meat company. So it's like a win-win situation because the deer need to be managed and, you know, he's feeding people. And then, and then the Kahiki Nui project is totally different. Like he doesn't

have a meat company for that, but he's able to harvest the animals in a really good way. And then he's able to utilize that meat by giving it to families who need it. Simple as that. It's just phenomenal. And it's phenomenal. Again, it's meat that people would pay a shitload of money for. If you could buy commercially raised axis deer, it would be one of the most prized meats.

It's such an unusual flavor. It's extremely delicious. People that don't like wild game, and they were like, I'm not really into venison. I would like to cook axis deer for them. I'd be like, just let me cook this for you and tell me what you think. Because I've cooked it for, like, I cooked it for my mother-in-law and she was, she like took one bite of it and raised her eyebrows and she goes, what is this?

I'm like, it's axis deer. She's like, what kind of deer is that? And I had to show her a picture of it. She was like, this is unbelievable. Yeah. So delicious. It's cool to baffle somebody with wild game. Yeah. If you can, if you can cook it right. Especially axis deer. delicious. It's cool to baffle somebody with wild game. Yeah.

If you can cook it right, especially axis deer. Jeez, it's incredible. And how beautiful are they just in general? Just walking around and then we get one and they're like, I don't know, just incredible animals. I think they're my favorite. Your favorite to hunt? Yeah. Well, what I like about them is we generally go on this axis deer hunt like a couple of months before elk season.

We generally go on this axis deer hunt a couple of months before elk season, so you get all the jitters out of the way. Because they are seven times faster than you think an animal that size can be. When they move, you're like, how did it even do that? How does something move that fast? It's that big. Matrix, dude. Straight matrix. Straight matrix.

Yeah. Ducking arrows. I'm probably going to piss some people off by saying this, but the axis deer in hawaii are different axis deer in hawaii are different benny o'brien when we were on lanai and he was hunting axis deer he had it was very challenging very very challenging they were ducking arrows and matrix he just he was having a hard time and he went back to he he went back home, back to Texas, back to the drawing board and said, I got, I got to go hunting. He went and hunted access deer first morning, shot a huge buck. And he called me and goes, I shot a huge buck. And he goes, but I got to tell you, they're fucking different in Texas, dude. The deer just don't react the

same way. I mean, in, in Hawaii, Hawaiians, in Hawaii, there's no season. The Hawaiians are eating that meat 365 days a year. They're hunting them with high-powered rifles all year long. Maui, Molokai, and I. And those deer are, they just react like crazy. Yeah, they're living in hell.

Yeah, they're living in paradise. They're living in paradise. It's also hell. Every day they're getting shot at. There's a good reason they're paranoid. Yeah. Yeah. I mean... And Ben said in Texas, they were just like head down feeding, chilling.

They had no idea. He was like, dude, it's like a different breed. But he was also there during the rut too. They must get a little bit more relaxed during the rut. And I'm sure they're switched on in Texas, but in Hawaii, they're hyper switched on. If anybody ever wanted to understand human biology, like male versus female biology, they should see deer and elk in the rut. Yep.

To see animals in the rut that normally would be super spooky, afraid of everything, jumping at every snap twig, and they're just walking right up to people. Like, they don't know what's going on. They're in a horny fog. Oh, yeah. They'll look right through you. You ever see that video of the guy who taps the deer on the antlers with his arrow? He's got an arrow and there's a deer in front of him.

He just taps it on the antlers. I think I did see that, yeah. And the deer's like, what? Yeah. What? Think that would ever happen if it wasn't right in the mating season? Yeah. Once they get those throbbing boners, they don't know what the fuck's going on.

They're just wandering around. I saw an elk actually having sex this year. You ever seen that in real life up close like not through your binoculars yeah i saw it i saw one like 30 yards and it's elk and they they get up and mount and then they go bam one big thrust yeah i was like that's how they get down like that's crazy this is crazy yeah it's literally like a power double. Yes, and he was so proud of himself. And he got down and he was just like, shit, yes. Got that. And he moved on.

There was like 20 other cows right there that he had to service. That's ridiculous, just wandering around. Yeah, I saw it from about 60 yards out. Yeah, it's crazy, right? It's a fascinating experience just to be around them when they're behaving like that. They're screaming and yelling at each other and rutting and mating. It's because it only happens once a year for those animals. Oh, we're going to see it right here.

He gets on top. Look at him. Boom! Wow. It's very climactic. I would wonder how accurate it is. It's got to be accurate, man. They've got to line it up.

Yeah. Do you see him lining that up? I guess he's lining it up, but does he really know what he's doing? He only does it once every six months, or once every 11 months. Must be frustrating, huh? Yeah. You can see why they all fight each other for it. They rut for about a month, right?

Yeah. You can see why they all fight each other for it. They rut for about a month, right? Yeah. But how cool is it how one bull, if he's a badass and a good fighter, he can have like the first bull that I actually arrowed with my bow, he had a harem of 45 cows. One bull.

And there was like three satellite bulls, but there was one bull and he had 45 cows with him that he was herding that were his girlfriends. And they're all basically in heat. Yeah. So they're, they're like relying on him to service all of them, 45 cows. And I, from what I hear, there's places where it's like, there's like one bull for 80 cows. That's crazy. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work it's a lot of work it's too much exhausting you really want like three it's like that's like dan bilzerian

is that his name yeah he's like a human bull yeah bull elk very similar you know isn't that his fucking logo did you have him on your show yeah yeah yeah that's so good he's always invited me to parties i'm like listen man i'm. I can't go to your fucking parties. That seems pointless. I just can't. That seems pointless to go to a party of his if you're married. I think his logo is a bull. Not a bull elk, but a bull.

I think it's a goat. Is it a goat? It's a goat. Really? Yeah, I think so. Oh, yeah, it is a goat. It's Mouflon, right? That's what it looks like.

Mouflon's a sheep, but yeah, that's a goat. It's Mouflon, right? That's what it looks like. Mouflon's a sheep. For Ignite. Yeah. That's a goat, I think. Hmm. But, uh, so this is super random. Who's the best podcast you ever had? Every time I think I have the best podcast, we'll have another one that's better.

I talked to someone that I respect recently, and they said that the Elon Musk one was the best podcast ever. It's pretty damn good. In history. Yeah. That one was rad. Best podcast in history. That's a strong word.

Best podcast that's ever been made. Well, he's such a unique mind. I mean, he just posted a video of one of the boring tunnels, first completed tunnels. Let's see that, Jamie jamie yeah it's an insanely long tunnel through la and they they've been doing this only for a few months yeah but apparently in december they're going to start doing this like look how long this is this is inside la i mean this is an actual completed real tunnel that's underneath la right now okay Okay, can we talk about how there's no like a prototype that

we heard about? It's like all of a sudden it was just like, who owns the land underneath? That's a real good question. I don't think he understood what I was asking when I asked him that. I'm like, how do you do this? Who do you ask to do this? I call my project manager. There's gotta be someone.

You're under someone's house. What if someone decides to make a well and they want to dig under their house to make a well and they go through the roof of your tunnel? Are they allowed to? I love that there's humans like him that are thinking on such a massive scale that are trying to fix the biggest problems that humans are facing. Guys like you are out there riding waves and I I'm telling dick jokes, and this guy's

digging holes under the earth. Yeah. I mean, he's also sending cars into space, right? He sent his own car. He shot it into space. He's got SpaceX. He's talking about colonizing Mars. He's got a Tesla company that makes the best electric cars on the

planet earth i mean he's got so many different things going on simultaneously i just don't understand his capacity for work he's trying to uh he's trying to fix the energy you know the energy problem yeah with you know you know getting energy from from the sun to power your house to power your car to to power cities. And, you know, it's crazy. He makes solar panels now that are actually tiles for your roof or your house. I saw that. A solar roof.

Incredible. Like, you replace the tiles on your roof with these solar tiles. Solar's freaking cool, dude. I just got it on my house. I got it on my house, and I have one of those Tesla Powerwall 2 batteries. And the thing's insane. And it's got, like, this crazy smart algorithm that knows when like a hurricane is coming to Hawaii and it'll like power up my battery to a hundred percent. Even if I'm not home, even if I'm not

watching the weather channel, it just does it automatically because it knows it might need to back up my house. Wow. So my, all my elk doesn't go bad in my freezer. So are you on the grid or are you off the grid? I'm on the grid. But you have the solar power as well as a backup. So your power comes from the solar and you could sell some of it back to the grid? No. They do that? No, they used to do that in Hawaii, but I think they stopped it.

And the power companies weren't down with solar really. It's hard to establish solar. It's hard to get permits and everything to have your house set up like they try to make it kind of difficult for they try to make it very difficult yeah but I it's pretty cool though I've offset my my power needs with solar by like 80% Wow it's great so you could conceivably just exists purely on solar yeah now you're on the Big Island yep now all this fucking crazy volcano shit is going how's that are you freaking out about that at all not freaking i was freaking out yeah so

so i live on the west side in kona the volcano is on the east side so is the east side is that near just south of hilo okay that's where. And that's where the volcano was. But the wind, like the trade winds, blow east to west. So where I live, it looked like Shanghai for like three months. Whoa. The air sucked like crazy. It was like L.A. smog times 10. It freaked me out.

They call that vog, right? Vog. Like volcanic haze. Yeah, my daughter is severely allergic to that. Really? Yeah, we went to a store on the Big Island. We were staying at the Four Seasons. And we left and went down to a store to get something for a cell phone.

She came with me. And she just started sneezing and sniffling. And her eyes were puffing up. I'm like, you okay? Like, what's going on? Are you sick? She's like, I don't know what's going on. And the guy at the counter said,

oh, it's probably the vog. And I said, what the fuck is the vog? He's like, it's volcanic smog. Yeah. And it just didn't bother me at all. But with her, she's allergic to cats and a couple other things like make her sniffle. It was bad for about three months where I live.

It was horrible. Whoa. Yeah. That's what it looked like? That's insane. That does look like, that looks like Beijing. You know, and the crazy thing was, you know, like if the wind goes the wrong way, then like Maui, Oahu, it's all foggy, like all throughout Hawaii.

But it was basically like that whole, the volcano essentially had a crazy eruption for about three and a half months. Yeah. And then now it just stopped and the air quality is incredible where I live now. Really? Yeah. So it blew off? Blue skies, crystal clear, like just insane sunsets, sunrises. It's just beautiful.

So what did geologists say? Best air quality in 10 years. Really? For sure. Yeah. Why is that? I don't know. Because there was like a constant eruption for like 25 years on the Big Island.

But it was just kind of small, but it was continuously going. Right. But now it's like nearly shut down completely, so there's hardly anything going in the air. So the volcano blew its load. It did. Kind of like that elk. Yeah. Bang.

It was lining us up for a while in a big old bang. Wow. So of like that elk. Yeah. Bang. It was lining us up for a while. Big old bang. So the vog's gone. So now it's probably a good time to go there. It's a very good time. Wow. Come over and visit. Does it fuck with the... That's why I texted you. I said, come over and hunt. We're going hunting. I ain't getting hit in the head

by a giant chunk of lava. Oh my god, dude. Did you hear about the freaking boat that had a big, like a lava, like a boulder? Lava boulder. Go through the roof of it? Yeah. It was like a spectator boat. Yeah.

Like a tourist boat. Watching the volcano. Psycho, dude. They were so close. Yeah. Do you have a photo of that, Jamie, that you can bring up? It's nuts. Yeah.

These tour boat companies, it's pretty opportunistic you know it's it's not it's not easy to make a living on the big island and so you get these people all want to go see the the eruption that all the lava going into the water oh if you can look for a photo of the boat near the eruption there's there's some images of like this these boats that were like they look like they're're 50 feet away from this mega eruption. Like, crazy. Really scary stuff. But you don't want to mess with lava, man.

Yeah, especially when it's spitting things out into the air. Look at that. The earth's pissed, dude. Oh, that's when it happened. Well, back that up a hair. I want to watch it fly through the air and hit them. And I want to think, what would I do? Look at it flying through the air.

The time to think about what you would do is before you get on the boat. Yeah. Once you're on that boat, you're just locked in, dude. That's crazy. The hole in the fucking boat roof. You see the redness in the hole of the boat. The hot shit just tore right through the roof. Well, and all of these tour boat guys are competing, right?

They're like jockeying for a position to get the closest unobstructed view so everyone can take videos and post it on their instagram wow but you're 23 people injured okay let's talk about if one of those like little like lava nuggets just happen to fly to you just blow a hole right through you yeah what if it hit someone in the head how about the guy next to you is headless and you're sitting there with your fucking camera out trying to get a selfie for instagram but the thing is everybody trips out and like oh my god is this unprecedented this lava just can you believe this lava this volcano is happening i'm like fuck dude are you kidding me we live on an active volcano that's where we live i've born and raised on this island

yeah it's been erupting almost every day since i was born true right yeah yeah most of your life that thing's been erupt interrupting yep yeah you can go almost any time of the year any year and see lava it's pretty cool kona because uh terence mckenna used to live in kona who's that you don't know who terence mckenna no he's a very famous psychedelic i guess you would call him a psychedelic speaker a scholar he's uh he was a botanist, an ethno-botanist who set up this place in Kona. And he was off the grid, completely off the grid. Is it ayahuasca? Oh, yeah.

Camp? Everything. He had his... I don't know what's going on with his old property, but I think some of it burnt down. There was a fire up there and I think he lost like a, Oh no, no, no. The fire was up in Northern California. He had some of his books up in Northern California, but he has a place up in the big Island that there was like 30 different types of psychedelic plants growing on his, you know, he had like 10 acres up there. That's his spot up there. And he had, you know, have you been in that house? High as a kite or what? No, I'm friends with his brother. I would like to go there. He's dead now, unfortunately. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. It looks like a pretty freaking cosmic

joint right there. Well, that's a weird picture, right? That looks very psychedelic. Is that the regular picture? Yeah. Is it? He had a dope place. So he would get all his water from the rain. He would, uh, he had like these cisterns, I guess they would call them. What are these containers that catch rainwater? And he had everything filtered that way. Looks like horny hippies. There's probably some freaky shit going on up there. Late night activities up there. But he was doing a lot of lectures on psychedelics. That's cool. One of the most influential speakers ever on psychedelics because he was so interesting such an interesting guy to listen to a lot of people like that really gravitate to the

big island yeah there's something about the big island where we live that is just it's alive it really is the island is freaking alive it really is yeah and you feel that and there's like this there's like an energy there and there's there's people who are like i meant to live here i had moved across the earth to live here because it's like, just pulled me here. I meet people like that all the time. Dude, your boy in that fricking shack, he's one of those guys. He is one of those guys. I mean, he's from Colorado. He was originally from Colorado, but I mean, for him, he was like a bit of a recluse and he would fly six for six months of the year. He would fly and give these lectures

in like you know austin and san francisco and all over the world really and then he would fly back and live on the big island write books it's a cool place to live man yeah it's awesome i love living there and if you're a bow hunter it's not a bad place either right not it's not a bad place either hawaii isn't incredible for hunting boss this is incredible for people everybody's got a really good attitude there. It's like it's more, you know, I just got back from Manhattan, which I love. I love going to New York City. But every time I go there, I'm like, I don't think I could do this.

I don't think I could live here. It's just too stacked on top of things. And there was this one thing that I had seen there that I'd never seen before. They had like this rotating machine that you park cars on. So say if you parked your car in here, it would lift up like this. Yeah. And then your car would go like up here. And then underneath there would be like 30 cars underneath you.

Yeah. I was like, what the fuck is that? I've seen that in Tokyo. Crazy, dude. Yeah. And you can rent one of those spots, one of those car spots for like huge bucks in Tokyo. I'm sure. Like 50 grand a year.

Well, Tokyo. For like a parking spot at your building where you live. Have you been to Tokyo? Yeah, a lot. It's so condensed. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a strange, it's another, Tokyo is strange too because it's so polite.

Yeah, I love Tokyo. Yeah, it's like everyone's, it's almost like you're visiting an alien culture. Because I don't understand, I don't know what their writing is. I see it, but I recognize it as Japanese, but I have no idea what it says. And then the people, they're all like super polite and very orderly. And then everything's electronic. And it's almost like Times Square-like. This is almost like a parallel civilization on another planet.

And how the hell did they get there? That's where they ended up. Like, if you look at the history of Japan, it's the opposite of that. Right, right. You know what I mean? It's true. Like, old-school Japan is the opposite of that. Like, all of a sudden, they have, like, this full-on, like, forward technology,

hyper-futuristic civilization there now. Yeah, that's a fascinating thing about Asia, period, right? Yeah. Like, Samsung and Korea, they make some of the best electronics in the world. Yeah, and you drive just outside the city and there's like rice fields everywhere and people working with those cool hats on and like everyone has no shoes on their mud. Then you drive right to the city and it's just like this giant electronic city. Yeah, I wonder what it is.

Kind of cool. Good food though in Japan and all over Asia, but I love Japan. Dig it. No, Japan's pretty... I'm just fascinated by the culture, period. I mean, that's obviously the birthplace of a lot of martial arts. Judo came from there. Karate, a lot of...

You have a towel? Yeah, we got it right here. A lot of... It's probably not the exact thing you want to be spilling it into. We're good, though. It hit the crack. I was afraid that we were going to have nothing to talk about that was going to be interesting, or we'd get stuck on archery for two hours, so I looked up a couple things.

What did you look up? I just was geeking out in the car. Was that impressive when I just pulled up in a big old black Cadillac, like a black Cadillac with a driver or what? No, it's normal. That's what everybody does. I thought that was really, really weird. Why would that be? It's weird for you because you live in Hawaii.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't do that very often. What do you drive, like a Tundra or some shit? I do. I drive a Toyota Tundra from Big Island Toyota. Everybody in Hawaii has a Toyota because they don't brake. It's a freaking state car. It's the move, right?

They don't brake. Yeah, they don't brake. It's a freaking state car. It's the move, right? They don't brake. I've had three Lexuses, Lexus SUVs. Those fucking things never brake. They never have a single thing go wrong with them. Nothing. Zero. They're incredible vehicles.

In Hawaii, you're going off-road so much that for surfing and hunting, I'm always going off-road and camping, taking my kids and stuff. So you want something reliable. And you can freaking buy a Toyota truck for like $35,000. And like six years later, you sell it for $32,000. Yeah. The resale value is nuts.

And it'll go for 200,000 miles. Yeah, they're great. With zero problems. Yeah, I drive a big Tundra. That's the other thing that Japanese figured out how to do. Like, how'd they figure out how to make things so goddamn reliable? Yeah. You know?

Is that you? There's my truck. Yeah, that's me. Dude, look at that. Lifted Toyota Hawaii. That's my last truck. Oh, that's pretty dope. I got the exact same truck now, though.

It's a good truck. I think it'll get you anywhere you want to go. Yeah. I'm actually sponsored by the local dealership where I live. Oh really? Yep, Big Island Toyota. Shout out to Big Island Toyota. Look at the fender flares and everything. That thing will drive

straight up a mountain. Oh, I bet it will. And it'll hold about 10 deer in the back of it. Have you ever seen that company called Devrolo? They take those things, they make them bulletproof and they spray the outside of them. What is that fucking coating that makes them bulletproof?

I might need to get that for all the PETA people. Do you get PETA people upset with you? No, I don't. You don't get any? Because hunting and surfing, you would think that they're both of the earth and natural, but I would think you'd get a little bit of it just because there's a lot of granola crunchy people that get upset because there's a lot of granola crunchy people

that get upset. There's a lot of like dolphin riders in the surf world that are like, you know, we're from the, it's peaceful from the earth. Why do you got to kill the, Shane, why do you got to kill the, why do you have to kill the animals, man? Let them live.

I always get these guys, let them live. Always, always, always, always. I don't think they understand that if you don't kill them, there's going to be way more problems for them if you don't. Not only do they not understand it, but they're never going to understand it. No. That's it. I used to consider trying to explain that to people, but there's really not. There's a coating that they – it's called – polyurea is the type of material.

But there's an actual name for it. Adam Greentree's got a really, really badass Toyota. Yeah. He had his built. His is cool. The whole back area where the cabin is is all, like, stuff. His is not just looks, though. He doesn't have, like, red wheels.

Right. He's got, like, real shit, doesn't have like red wheels. Right. He's got like real shit, like refrigerators in there and a frigging shower to shower off all the mud. And we actually drove to his property and it was so mudded out that, that it was impossible to get up the road because it's pure mudslide. And he uses winch to winch us up his, up his road, like all the way up his road with a winch.

So cool. So it's just, I mean, the thing is his road with a winch. So cool. So it's just, I mean, the thing is, like, bad. It's actually good for something. You know, he's been in America now for, like, a month and a half just hunting. He's been almost getting killed in a tree stand the last couple days. Did you see that shit? Hell yeah. So he's in a tree stand.

I was texting him going, dude, get the hell out of that tree. Yeah. If you go to Adam Greentree's Instagram page, there's actually a video of it where he's in a tree stand. And he's waiting, like, he's trying to hunt deer, where he's in a tree stand. He's waiting, like he's trying to hunt deer and he's waiting for a deer to walk by. And he hears guns go off and then he hears the leaves crack because

bullets are whizzing by his head and hitting the leaves next to him. Literally. And there's video of it. And he's like, what the fuck, mate? He's fucking wankers. He said there's 200 gunshots in six hours. Oh, yeah.

Where is he? Kansas? Kentucky. Kentucky. Yeah. Yeehaw. Kentucky. Not a lot of Tundras in Kentucky.

Have you ever been to the Midwest during opening day? If you drove a Tundra in Kentucky, it would need to be bulletproof. Why? They would shoot at it? Yeah. They'd be like, freaking, you need to drive a Chevrolet, man. They have a lot of Toyotas down there. Do they? Yeah, they give in. Not only that, Toyota trucks drive a Chevrolet, man. They have a lot of Toyotas down there. Do they?

Yeah, they give in. Not only that, Toyota trucks are actually made in America, believe it or not. They are. Yeah. How my Tundra was made in Texas. Yeah, there you go. There's a lot of Toyotas that are made in America. You know the Acura NSX, which is a Honda that's actually made in Ohio.

They designed it and constructed it. They make Toyotas in Kentucky. There you go. Holler at your boys. So they employ people. They do Toyotas in Kentucky. There you go. Holla at your boys. See, I just pulled that out of nowhere. So they employ people. They do. Hundreds of thousands of people.

That used to be an issue in Detroit. If you were in Detroit and you were driving a non-American car, they'd shoot at it. But now, I mean, so many car companies moved out of Detroit and started selling cars. They just kind of gave up on that. Line-X is at the coating. Yes, Line-X. Thank you. That shit, you could take a lot.

Line-X is crazy. That black coating, that plastic coating that they put on those trucks, you can take Line-X is that the coating? Yes, Line-X. Thank you. That shit, you could take a, Line-X is crazy. That black coating, that plastic coating that they put on those trucks, you can take Line-X and cover a watermelon with it and drop it off of a building. Seriously? And it'll bounce when it hits the ground. Yeah. So they take that matte gray or matte black sort of cover. That thing looks sick.

That is Line-X. And so these Line-X covered trucks, they make them and they also make them with Kevlar windows and door panels and bulletproof plates underneath them.

They make like a, if you like just a total piece of shit and everybody wants to kill you, you get one of those things. Just drive around in a Line-X armored vehicle. How much of an idiot

do you look like driving that thing around? Pretty badass. Just wears mirrored sunglasses to tell everybody to fuck themselves. I like the... I love the freaking LINEX whole thing. Watch this. Is that a watermelon?

Watch this. Look at this. Boom. That's a watermelon, bro. Look how far this is. Look at this. Boing. Wow. Almost like a basketball. Yeah. So any scratches that you would ordinarily get from like branches and shit? Like, I bet you're, I mean, the kind of travel that, look at this.

It hits the ground. I was thinking of doing that to my truck. Do you get scratched up? Oh, yeah. Yeah. There you go. And I just like that you can just like pressure wash it. You don't have to worry about decals coming off.

You don't have to worry about anything. You just shoot the shit down and it's clean. Yeah. One of our guides in Lanai had his truck was linexed. It was green. Completely. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's great. That was Alec. It's good stuff. Yeah. Alec. Love him. Yeah.

That stuff just doesn't scratch too. You can go over. Somebody can key your car and it just fucks up their key. It doesn't work. Exactly. Yeah. So good. It's pretty impressive stuff.

How funny is it when you see trucks like mine here in L.A.? Is that funny or what? Oh, there's a lot of them. It's the worst thing here. Because people just want to look like badasses. They just want to look like a killer in a lifted truck. But you can't park in any structure. That's true.

You can't go underneath any underground parking. You look cool. That's what's important out here. Yeah, you look cool in gridlock traffic at 5 p.m. on the 405. Yeah, but you're above everybody. You get to look down on them. Look at these losers below me in traffic. I'm all up here with the good air.

I got my lifted monster truck. L.A. is all... Is it a strange thing when you come from your place? I mean, what is a big island that has 100,000 people or something like that on the entire island? It's the biggest island in all of Hawaii. Yeah. or something like that in the entire island. It's the biggest island in all of Hawaii.

And you go from there to here, where there's 100,000 people. Go to West Hills right here. There's probably 100,000 people for every three blocks. Yeah, it is weird coming here. I spent a lot of my life in California, actually, even though I was born and raised on the big island. And every time I get off the plane, it's so baffling. The freaking LAX airport and getting on the freaking shuttle for the rent-a-car and then getting your rent-a-car and getting on the 405 and everyone's going 90. Yeah.

It's crazy. There's always like an adjustment period of like a half an hour or so when I'm driving. I'm like in the slow lane like, wow, this is really happening. People are going 80 miles an hour. And then cops fly by going 80 miles an hour. Everyone's going 80 and no one's getting stopped. And I don't know. It's going 80 and no one's getting stopped. I don't know.

It's just a shock. Well, you're used to a place where people don't even pass people on the highway. Yeah. Like on those roads, if someone passes people on those little single lane roads, people get mad, right? Oh, yeah. People get mad. They get mad if you're going too fast. Like, slow down.

Yeah. Well, the same in the mainland. Hawaii is Hawaii. I think, I think we were talking about this on the, on the last, on the last time I was here, but Hawaii is just a, it's a different kind of place where, yeah, you don't, you don't pass people just because they're going a little bit, you know, slower on the, on the highway. And if you do, you better make sure they're not the wrong person. Right. Are they going to fuck you up? Yeah. You want to, you want to show respect to the people. And, uh i you know i think there's like a there's like this dynamic in hawaii where

you know i mean that everyone who moves there is that's fine i don't think anyone gets mad at that but you just don't want those people to move to hawaii because they love hawaii and then try to turn it into california right respect the culture respect the way people act and behave and then respect the the vibe that everything is more relaxed. That's why it's so cool to visit. Yeah. Because you literally feel relaxed when you get there because everything's relaxed. It's a different vibe.

People forget that, though. People move to Hawaii for that, and then they move to Hawaii and want to turn it into California. Does that happen? They want to buy a big house and a beach and put a big giant wall around it and keep everyone out of the private beach and have their own little zone. And this is my zone and my stuff and my giant house. Trying to own the beach is kind of hilarious. Yeah, it is.

Owning a chunk of beach. You don't own that, bitch. You decided to put a giant house next to the ocean. Well, they have security guards in Malibu. They try to keep people off of public beaches. They say this is a private beach. Like, no. No, it's connected to the ocean, motherfucker. Like, your yard is

the ocean. Like, my friend has kids. He has a beach house. My friend has kids, and the kids surf. And the kids were surfing just, you know, a few hundred yards from their house, and they were in front of this guy's house. The guy comes out of the house fucking screaming at them, saying, get the fuck out of here.

You're not supposed to be here. No, you can't tell people that. Just because you spent a lot of money on a house that's on the beach doesn't mean you own the beach. You don't. That's the beach. It's the whole earth's beach. Someone can come here from all around the world

and walk on that beach. That's your yard. You fucked up. You bought this $15 million house that anybody could walk 30 feet from your house. Like, that's just how it is, dude. Sorry. Isn't that weird that people don't get that? They're just so rich.

They've finally gotten the super ultra-rich category that the rules don't apply anymore. Well, they're just trying to scare people. Okay, now that I'm this rich, this beach. Well, they're just trying to scare people. This beach is mine now. They're trying to scare people off of it. So they've hired a lot of security guards. See if you can find the article about it. How miserable are those people?

Imagine being that person who's like yelling at kids cause they're in front on the beach. Yeah. That guy is living in his own personal hell. I don't care how rich he is. Yeah. So it's just, it's just stupid. Like if you live on the beach beach you have to kind of accept that your house is next to this public park yeah you're you're essentially living in a public park

i mean you have this dope view you get to look at the ocean but enjoy that what's yeah but what's in front of your house is everybody's yeah it just is everybody's you don't you can't own it it's never not going to be. Yeah. And it moves. It goes, and that's one of the weird things that happened. Apparently they did something in Santa Barbara. They did something to the ocean. They did something like they put up some sort of a barrier, some sort of break in Santa Barbara and it affected Broad Beach in a crazy way. Like it pushed the water way closer. Cause one of the good things about broad beach,

these, I think they call it billionaire beach was that these people, these crazy fucking houses, they had this long stretch of sand before the water. And then the water came way up, like to almost to where the houses are now. So it's all gone. But now the people that utilize the beach are literally right in front of these people's houses.

So they're fucking freaking out. So We see is there any articles about yeah? So these people have hired security guards to kick people off and then people are getting together in these Lawsuits against these people that own these houses saying you can't keep us off these pages, and I never want to be those people It's dark can we establish that I just I just want to be those people. It's dark. Can we establish that? I don't want to be those people either. I just want to keep going surfing and bowling. How the wealthier laying claim to California's coast. Complaints have been streaming about security guards hired by wealthy homeowners removing people from public beaches. Those security guards, they can't do anything.

If they touched you, it would be assault. You can't tell me I can't do anything. Like if they touched you, like it would be assault. Like you can't tell me I can't walk on the beach. You can't do anything. I was trying to read through this, and the first case says that the security guard went and got a sheriff, and the sheriff told them that they were going to get a ticket if they didn't get off the beach. Sheriffs are all scared because all those people want the influence of all these wealthy people. The wealthy people influence the politicians. The sheriffs want to keep their jobs.

I mean, the whole thing is just crazy. But the thing is, now, today, this stuff is getting out. And it's getting out on the internet. And it's getting out in these stories and articles that are on the internet. Homeowners have employed several tactics to keep their beachfront properties private. Recent example of a case in Malibu involved a property owner charging people $40 to walk on the beach and banning surfing unless the person was a resident or a friend of a resident. What?

You can't just decide. That's crazy. That's like literally going up to a state park and saying no one can go in here. It's too close to my house. Yeah, there's nothing right about that stuff. And I don't get it. I just, that kind of right there, that mentality, that gives me the gnarliest anxiety. I just don't want to be anywhere near those people.

I just want to get far, far away from them and live in the mountains in Hawaii where I do. Look at this. She had been on the beach for just a few minutes when a tall, uniformed security guard approached. He told Schwartz she was trespassing on private property and threatened her with a $1,500 fine and a court citation if she didn't leave. She's an employee, too, of the commission. Right. She said, yeah, she's a commission employee who was asked to do some reconnaissance following a stream of formal complaints. Yeah, she's a commission employee who was asked to do some reconnaissance following a stream of formal complaints.

At that point, I pulled out the maps that I had and said, you know, this is a public area, Schwartz recalled. But the guard disregarded her insistence. After telling her she needed to provide legal proof that she had a right to be there, the guard left and returned. Twenty minutes later, two sheriff's deputies who swiftly advised Schwartz that the beach was not for public use. Then I got a bit unsettled, she remembers. As brave as I like to think I am, I kind of started shaking a little bit, started to get a little nervous. Did you read it? That was, if you go back up, Jamie, it'll say whose house that was.

I think it was David Geffen's. I think that happened also near his house. Deliberately restricted public access. You know, that same thing happened with Mark Zuckerberg on Kauai. It's 2013. The Guardian reported how entertainment mogul David Geffen had deliberately restricted public access to the beach near his home on Carbon Beach. Yeah, that's another really – you can't do that. Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg did that on Kauai.

Really? of the really you can't do that yeah mark zuckerberg did that um on kawaii really yeah he bought up this beautiful property on the north coast of kawaii's incredible beautiful place with incredible waves and not that many people live there and he bought this insane like thousands of acres right there one of the most beautiful places on earth and then try to keep everybody out and like completely block all the access and all the hawaiians all the local people got extremely angry with him and if he just would have, I mean, he's going to be a resident, right? Right. You would think this little island on Kauai, these people have been living there forever.

You can't just like storm in there, buy all the property up and block everyone out. How many people live in Kauai? I don't know, but. Is it like Lanai sized or small? More. A lot more. Yeah, a lot more. Yeah.

Yeah. It'd probably be 40,000 or something like that, maybe $30,000. But, you know, the people on Kauai are really territorial and protective of where they live, and they live in a really beautiful place. And a lot of people who aren't from there have lots of money and want to live there. And so people on Kauai are hypersensitive to that already. So you got, like, Mark Zuckerberg, you know, probably worth $80 billion or something, come in there and buy up all the land and try and block everyone.

It's not a good move. Well, he's probably a terrible move, but he's probably super insulated to people, right? I mean, everywhere that guy goes, he brings security guards with him. Oh, you'd have to. And he's probably like, he probably has almost no interaction with regular people. You would think so. And he's young, man. So young.

He's like 34 or some shit. How old is he, Jamie? I think that's right. What's he worth? $80 billion? Can you imagine being in your 30s and worth $80 billion? How about still working? How about that?

That's cool, though. I love that about these guys. Like, I wouldn't do it, but like Elon Musk and Zuckerberg, it's cool that those guys believe so much that they can actually make a difference. That's the only reason that's keeping them. It's not the money. He paid $100 million to purchase 700 acres of land.

Wow. He's 34. 34. That's crazy. Straight up balling. Balling out. What? That's balling. There's a. Straight up balling. Balling out. What? That's balling.

There's a big difference between him and Elon Musk, though. He's got a weird reputation of fucking over the people that he made Facebook with. I don't know if that's correct or not. But that movie, man, I'd sue the fuck out of those people who made that movie if that's not true. In the movie, they kind of set it up like he stole the idea. Well, he had to settle. He settled out of court, paid a lot of millions to the Winklevoss brothers, I think, because they said it was their idea.

Yeah, they made him look like a dick in that movie, though. Yeah, they sure did. It's kind of heavy that that movie actually got made. You would think that they would have got paid off to not make it. Well, it's weird to make a movie about a person. Even if they got accurate reports from other people, it's so weird to make a movie about a person

who's still alive right now and put words in his mouth. A lot of it's speculation, too, no matter what. For sure. It's like he got off light. It says that the settlement was $20 million in cash and $45 million in Facebook stock. Price. And they're worth billions. Yeah.

He got off light. Yeah, if he did dick them over. But who knows if they're telling the truth. Yeah, I don't know whose version is true. There's always two sides to every story. But a movie about you, like if somebody made a movie about you and had you on the beach saying some shit you never really said,

you're like, hey, I didn't say those words. You can't have me say those words with an actor's inflection and his decisions to make whatever creative choices he makes with the way he talks. And 99% of the people watching that movie aren't having this conversation with people. They just automatically think that's Zuckerberg. That's what happened. He's a dick. He's a dick.

He did those things. That's the perception. It's like if you – if like Jamie was like, hey, you know what? I just got fired by Joe. Fuck that guy. You know what? Joe's, Joe tried to touch me this one day when I was shooting the techno-trickin' target. He tried to touch me.

Everyone maybe believed Jamie, especially if he was like a really pretty girl. Yeah. Well, Jamie could be a pretty girl if he shaves. Here it goes. He tried to stop it being made. God damn ad blocker. He did try to stop it being made? It's according to this, yeah.

You would, though, wouldn't you? Tried to stop the movie, The Social Network, from being made. Oh, it's from those leaked Sony emails that came out and that hacking thing. Oh, of course he did. But I think he has a right to it, honestly. Yeah. Here's the thing. Pretty heavy that someone can make a movie about you without right your consent and put words in your mouth

that's the thing maybe one thing if you were convicted in a court of law right for that stuff but if this is just like yeah I swear this happened see here's a thing though it's one thing if there's a documentary and in the documentary they're showing footage where Zuckerberg's doing certain things right saying certain things it's a total different situation if you decide to put words in that guy's mouth And you have fucking Justin Timberlake play him in a movie who played him in the movie I? Think it was Justin Timberlake was it Justin Timberlake. He's in it Jesse Eisenberg

So you have a famous actor the famous actor plays you in a movie and makes you out to be a cunt. That sucks. It's his choice. That sucks. And then the director's like, make it a little more cunty. Can you do a little more cunty? Like, okay, a little more of a dick. I'll be a little more removed here.

I'll try a little more removed in this next take. Yeah. It's like, you can't do that. Oh, man. He should be able to sue the fuck out of those people. Because at the end of the day, it's one thing to tell a story. Hey, I work with Zuckerberg. That guy was a dick.

He stole my ideas. It's another thing to have someone play him in a movie and make up a bunch of words that he didn't really say. Or you don't know he really said. Or you don't have any proof that he really said. That's fucking strange, man. Just make shit up. That's like, I've always felt that way about historical movies. Like they make a movie about Abraham Lincoln.

Like someone was saying, how the fuck did they do a movie, Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Killer? You know? Did you see that stupid movie? It was really ridiculous. Abraham Lincoln was a vampire killer. It was one of the dumbest movies ever. He's killing vampires, I think with an axe. I think he killed him with an axe.

It was really stupid. But I was vampires, I think with an axe. I think he killed him with an axe. It was really stupid. But I was saying, yeah, it's dumb, but is it any dumber than any other Abraham Lincoln movie? You have a bunch of movies about Abraham Lincoln

where he's just hanging out with his kids and talking. You don't know what the fuck he said. You don't know what kind of interaction he actually had with his wife. You weren't there.

You don't... How do you... Yeah. How do you pitch that movie to a studio? You know what, guys? I got this concept. I got this concept.

That's when you know you got way too much money is when you're making movies about Abraham Lincoln being a vampire killer. Yeah, pull up the trailer for Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer. I was trying to remember. If I remember correctly, though, this came at a time...

The guy that wrote the book that this movie was made from wrote Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, movie was made from wrote Pride and Prejudice and Zombies where he rewrote Pride and Prejudice but added a zombie like plot

throughout it so he just he mashed up the story it was successful so he did it again with like an Abraham Lincoln

biography but added vampires to it is there demand is there demand for that? Is there enough people on earth that wants to watch shit movies? Seriously. I don't know, man.

Dude, my time is precious. I want to watch something really good, not really bad. Yeah, well, I don't know, man. There's nobody walking into that movie like, yeah, this is going to be sick. You might be operating at a higher frequency than most. There's a lot of people out there that just want to be entertained by stupidity. Give me full screen on this stupid piece of shit. I watch this thing high as a kite, too.

You watch this movie? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you in that shack on the big island when you watched this? Was it playing on the big screen? Oh, it was by Tim Burton. Yeah. Because look, look at this. This trailer actually looks pretty fucking cool.

Is he watching him? Is that Liam Neeson? I don't remember who played him. But look, he's fucking up all these vampires. Look at this. Look at the axe. See? Wow.

Abraham Lincoln. Vampire Hunter. wow abraham lincoln vampire hunter he chops down that tree with one swing dude he's so badass very high percentage of people watching that movie were high yeah well see i go think i see things that are not good for my job see i will oh yeah i will go I will watch movies and television shows. I will watch things hoping. Hoping it sucks bad enough that it becomes a part of my act. You didn't have to hope very hard, did you?

That didn't make it in there. I watched the whole thing. I was like, what in the fuck? It looks like jokes. Like a joke factory. Right. It does. It looks like it should be a joke factory. Well, maybe someone better than me could. It also came out like two months before the Lincoln movie with Daniel Day-Lewis.

So they might have rushed it out to have it come out at the same time. That guy's amazing, by the way. Daniel Day-Lewis? Holy moly. But that was another movie that bothered me. I saw the Daniel Day-Lewis Lincoln movie. It was kind of dull. Too slow.

Yeah. But it bothered me that we don't really know what the fuck this guy said. It's one thing like there will be blood, which fucking amazing yeah but those are fake people man he looked good as lincoln crazy crazy how good they made him out remember gangs in new york when he was bob the butcher but was it bill bill the butcher yeah he's phenomenal he's great in everything yeah he's so good man he's just one of those guys it just becomes complete. There's a few people that, there's a lot of people that are actors that are just weirdos. They're just these really strange people that desperately want attention. They figured out a way to use their mental illness to navigate the waters of Hollywood

in some strange way where they're virtue signaling and behaving exactly the way Hollywood wants them to behave, to get themselves into these positions of fame, and then they become movie stars, and they say a bunch of nonsense. You hear them interviewed, you're like, you're not even a person. This is not a person. It's not a person talking. There's no sincerity. There's no reality to it. You're just painfully aware of every word you're saying and how people are going to

perceive it, and your guard's never down. They're just weirdos. Yeah. And then there's people like Daniel Day-Lewis, who's just this savage. Yeah. Who just figures out how to become these people. You know, he stays in character. That's a real deal.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he fucking stays in character. That was great. Last of the Mohicans. He's so good. He's fucking great in everything. He retired. You know what he does now? Huh? Makes shoes. Are you

serious? Yeah. He's a cobbler. He makes shoes by hand. That's what he does. Wow. And he's a legend. That dude. Are you kidding me? Yeah, man. He was so good. Build a butcher. Yeah. I would fly to wherever the fuck he is to get a shoe made by him you should do it I should I wonder if he makes shoes for people probably just makes shoes for his friends

like does he have a company like I know he makes shoes but what like what does he do with these goddamn shoes what's his lifestyle like you know what I mean after all that

like you know what I was saying like all those crazy moments like a human potential like you know his human potential of his like acting craft like during like Last mohicans and and uh gangs in new york and stuff yeah like going from that like extreme those extreme highs and yeah you know performance

levels to making shoes that's it's crazy usually people go up not not you know up in intensity not down in intensity right right yeah the intensity aspect of it is really interesting. But I think for him, he's such an artist that I don't think he cares whether or not people are looking at his art. I think he cares about the process of creating. Yeah. Probably the same to him. Yeah. The process.

Well, maybe even it's more pure because of the fact that it doesn't have any adulation. There's no spotlight on it. There's no adulation. There's no spotlight on it. There's no publicity team. There's no stupid interviews he has to do. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. That stuff must be maddening for him to sit down with someone from fucking E! Entertainment Television.

So, man, you got another dope movie coming out. Tell us about it. Sounds like you need Daniel Day-Lewis on the podcast here. He'd be freaking amazing, but maybe he would. How cool would that be to talk about shoes? You'd probably be psyching on that. Maybe. Yeah.

I would talk to that guy for three hours just about shoes. That'd be awesome. If he was into it, just tell me about your stitching process. Where do you choose your leather? I don't think, from what I just read, I don't think that he does it. It says that he took time off from making movies to study under this very well-known shoemaker for 10 months specifically and only did that then he came back though he made a movie like last year called the phantom thread which where he was a design fashion

designer and then he learned to uh in order to do that he reverse engineered a balenciaga dress and just to learn how to become a fashion what is a balenciaga dress do you know what that is we pulled up at the balenciaga is a company. They make that shirt we made. We pulled up a few weeks ago, like the double shirt thing. So it's high end, very high end stuff. So he took it apart and then put it back together again?

Just so he could understand the process of doing it. That was how he became it, got into character for that movie. So I don't know if he's retired all the way. It doesn't seem like he makes... I believe he retired. He made that movie last year, though. It's 2017.

He did for a while. He did retire for a while. He took some time off. Daniel, if you're out there, anytime, dude. Just holler at me. I know you don't have a Twitter. I know you don't have a Twitter, but I got people, you got people. He was amazing in the movie out of here, dog. I know you don't have a Twitter, but I got people, you got people. He was

amazing in the movie The Boxer, too. In my opinion, he played the most believable professional boxer in a film. Because in a lot of films, even like the movie with Marky Mark where he played Mickey

Ward, it was like Mark Wahlberg knows how to punch. He knows how to throw punches, but there's a difference The movie with Marky Mark where he played Mickey Ward. It was like Mark Wahlberg knows how to punch. He knows how to throw punches. But there's a difference between throwing punches in a movie and a guy throwing punches in a fight. And if you look at the way Daniel Day-Lewis is performing in that boxing movie, he looks like a guy who's throwing punches in a fight. It's way more realistic than any boxing movie I've ever seen. And he boxed for a full year before he did that movie. I mean, he just lived in a boxing gym. He trained all the time, sparred, hit the pads. He got real coaching from, he played a guy who was an IRA guy who got out of jail and then got back into boxing and then there's a bunch of terrorist shit involved in the film.

It's a very good movie. But see if you can find footage of him from that movie. So when you see boxing movies, guys are throwing punches like they know they're not going to get hit back. There's a certain thing about boxing. If you watch a guy actually fighting, there's a tension. There's a tension to worry about when you're getting hit back. And you see a movie about a boxer, you're like, yeah, man. There's a tension. There's a tension to worry about when you're getting hit back. And you see a movie about a boxer

and he goes, yeah, man. There's too much. The mitts are down. They're just like their chins out. It's not just that. It's like the way they're moving, there's no anticipation. There's no... And it's all offense, right? Yeah. It's all offense. Even when they're getting hit, it's bullshit.

And you can tell it reeks. It drives me crazy. Yeah, it reeks. It's like, watch him in here. I mean, this guy, he studied and trained, I forget who was training him, but it was like legit professional boxers. It's crazy the commitment that these guys do to take their acting to the next level. Because there's not that many people who even notice that he fights more like a real fighter.

You know what I'm saying? No, there's not. But even like, see, look at the way he's throwing these punches. Like, this is the way a real boxer throws punches. Like, they're not wide. Yeah. Everything's real tight. Pretty fucking impressive.

But, I mean, I would expect nothing else from this guy. Yeah, he's legit. He's a kiss. He's a fucking madman. Yeah. He's legit. I bet he'd be a real weirdo to talk to. Yeah. You know?. He's a kiss. He's a fucking madman. Yeah. He's legit. I bet he'd be a real weirdo to talk to. Yeah.

You know? It's the only one way to find out. Yeah. You want me to get him on? When are we going hunting? I don't know. I think June. You want to do May or June?

Let's try to plan something. Yeah. For sure. Lanai does the next one. You should come with us to Dudley's place in Oklahoma. I would love that. In March, we're going to go pig hunting. That'd be fun.

It's infested. March. That sounds like fun. Did you see the size of that gigantic pig that he shot down there? Yeah, I did. Monster. 450-pound pig. Wow.

It's like a tank. It's like as big as this table. Yeah. It's huge. Big pork chops. It's the three of us stacked together in pig form. In pig form. It's so fucking big. March? Yeah. We're of us stacked together in pig form. In pig form. It's so fucking big.

March? Yeah. We're going to do it in March. That sounds like fun. Yeah. He has a giant place that he leases in Oklahoma. And it's all just beautiful, wild, open country. Oklahoma's very underrated.

You ever been to Oklahoma? I've never been to the Midwest. No? I'm going to Ohio tomorrow. Oh, you're going whitetail hunting. First time ever. Is that the Midwest? Yes. I didn't even know where the Midwest was. rated you ever been to oklahoma i've never been to the midwest i'm going to ohio tomorrow um oh you're going white tail hunt first time ever is that the midwest yes i've never even i don't even know where the midwest is you're so hawaiian yeah no ohio's yeah i'm a midwest virgin so i'm going back to ohio that's actually where my mom is from so oh that's cool what part of hawaii or what part

of ohio rather I think the southern part. I'm going whitetail hunting. Right. Where's Columbus? Columbus is right in the middle. Portsmouth, Kentucky area, maybe. Columbus is my favorite spot. I'm hoping it's not too cold. Columbus is the shit. I'm a big fan of

Cleveland too, but goddamn Columbus is the shit. Columbus is awesome. I'm excited to see it, man. I'm guessing it's farmlands, flat. Is that right? Not flat. The south? That's the misinterpretation.

It's flatter than most areas for sure, but especially down from Columbus down to the south area where the rivers go, there's Indian mounds and there's all sorts of glacier cutout spaces. The Hocking Hills is a very cool spot. There's also this Old Man's Cave is a really cool spot, too. It's like a traditional. I think Columbus is one of the most underrated cities in the country. Yeah? Yeah.

People don't think about it. It's like the people are fucking crazy cool. It's a really good place to do stand-up. For stand-up comedy, it's one of the best places in the world. It's just fucking phenomenal. They're smart, but they're also like Midwest-type people, but they're not stuck up. Right.

You know? It's almost like Chicago. It's a lot like Chicago, I think. Well, I'm not going to see it. I'm just going to go straight to my tree stand. Yeah, tree stand hunting. Have you ever done it before? I've done a little bit of tree stand hunting, but... It's a mind fuck. I'm really bad at it. I'm just going to go straight to my tree stand. Yeah, tree stand hunting. Have you ever done it before? I've done a little bit of tree stand hunting.

It's a mind fuck. I'm really bad at it. I'm impatient. Yeah, I would imagine. I like to be stalking. I like to be on the move. I like to be finding deer. I like to hunt.

I want to be the hunter. And so for me, sitting in a tree for four days straight, it'll be interesting to see if I have what it takes. It's weird, too, because you're oddly aware that if you fell, you're fucked. Like you have to wear a harness and all that jazz. Like I did it with Dudley. The first time I ever – I've hunted deer before on the ground in a ground blind, but the first time I ever did it in a tree stand was at Dudley's place. That's where you got to go. Dudley has the craziest spot. I'm going to hit up Dud stand was at Dudley's Place. That's where you got to go. Dudley has the craziest spot.

I'm going to hit up Dudley then. Dudley's got like 600 acres. It's all bow hunting. He lives in paradise. All deer? He lives in, he literally lives in whitetail paradise. Wow. He lives in Iowa, right?

In like one of the best places in the world for deer. I'm going to send Dudley a text. Send him a text? He'll have you down. He'll have you down. You got to apply for an Iowa tag though. I'm going to send Dudley a text. Send him a text? He'll have you down. He'll have you down. You got to apply for an Iowa tag, though. It's going to be cold this week. Cold as fuck, son.

Prepare for it. You're Hawaiian. Yeah. Yeah. Does Under Armour have some good whitetail clothes? They do, yeah. They sent me some really, really warm clothes for hunting. You might want to get one of those thermal fucking things.

Have you seen the heated sleeping bags? Oh, yeah. Those are dope. Dude. You could wear one of those up fucking things. Have you seen the heated sleeping bags? Oh yeah. Those are dope. Dude. You could wear one of those up there. I could. Yeah. Yeah.

They have those things. What are they called? Inferno suits or something like that. What are those things called? See, the thing is I like, I like hunting in cold weather. I love it. Super cold weather even. Right.

If I can, I'm like stalking around, I can walk around. I can move. Right. It's cold weather even. Right. If I can, in like stalking around, I can walk around. You can move. You can move. Right. It's not that cold. Right. But if you, the whole point of sitting in a tree stand, you have to try and sit completely 100% still

and move as little as possible. And you're freezing your dick off. You don't have to, it doesn't even have to be that cold for you to freeze. Right. If you're trying not to move. Yeah.

You know, it can be in the 50s and you'd be freezing your balls off. Right, because you're not moving. So your body's not generating heat. But I've hunted when it's like, you know, eight degrees or 10 degrees in Eastern Colorado. And I was okay because I could move. Well, not only that, you're taking layers off. Yeah. If you're going up hills. Right. Like that

is one of the things that's really interesting to me about, uh, hunting in cold weather is the whole layering system is that you have to really be aware of when you're sweating. So the whole key is to get yourself to the point where you're never sweating. Yeah. So as you're, because if you're sweating and then you have to cool off and then you have to try to heat yourself up and your clothes are wet from your sweat, you're fucked. Yeah. You know, that's one of the beautiful things about wool is that wool allows you to retain

your body heat even if it's wet. It doesn't really fuck with you the same way that a lot of synthetics, and particularly cotton. Cotton's the worst. Cotton's the worst. Yeah. Synthetics are good because they'll dry quickly. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Have you ever seen that rewarming drill that John Barclow from Sitka did where he jumps in a river with wet clothes and shows how to heat your body back up. No, but I just did a hunt with John Hart from Sitka who started Sitka. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He was a lot of fun hunting with. And we talked about survival stuff a bit, like, you know, stuff like that. Like, what do you do if you fall in a river and it's cold?

That guy to me is like one of the, I mean, because he owns the company. He's one of the best representations of what you would want from a guy who owns a big company. He was a CEO of a big company that's involved in hunting. Yeah. Super smart, really articulate, conservation minded, very ethical, just salt of the earth. Super solid. I was with him in Utah. Yeah. Super smart, really articulate, conservation-minded, very ethical, just salt of the earth. Yeah, super solid. I was with him in Utah. Yeah.

Great guy. Yeah. Awesome company, too. Yeah, they make good stuff. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff out there, but I just, yeah, I'm hoping I stay warm on this hunt. I'm excited. Were you guys in BC?

Where were you guys? We were in Hawaii. Oh, that's right. That's right. I was thinking you were on that moose hunt that they just come back from yeah no we were hunting in Hawaii so you were in that crazy ranch that's uh somewhere on the big island that people never hunt right um some big area yeah we were we were hunting on the big island um we were hunting pigs I was i was hunting in an area that was like um i don't explain it yeah we're hunting these big boars on the big island and uh it was a lot of fun it was great but he's he's a really good dude yeah do they have like numbers that they have to keep the pigs down to do they have like a point where the pigs reach? Because for people who don't know, pigs will have several litters a

year and if they're not because there's no predators on Hawaii so if the pigs aren't kept in check by people, they'll get completely out of hand. So do they have wildlife biologists who manage the numbers and try to decide like what to do? No, they just try and kill as many as they can.

So they just have people hunt constantly? Yeah. And is it not a problem because so many people hunt there i mean it just sort of depends who you ask it's it's it's crazy because like with the pigs the the the pigs can thrive in really thick areas so there's very difficult to do like a to figure out how many pigs there are like if you try and count the number of deer on maui people count them my friend jake does it he'll fly and they'll grid and we'll get a pretty darn accurate reading of how many deer on the island but try and figure out how many pigs on the big island it's impossible they live in the jungle right because they're all in underbrush yeah and they can yeah but the deer they come out in the open you know and you chase them with a helicopter and you can see them they're

all running but the pigs don't do that. They just go right in the thick. So basically there's infinite numbers of pigs on the big island. But we also have sheep. We have mouflon sheep. We have like a hybrid sheep. We have goats. And those you can get numbers of. And you can knock them down really quick if you're trying to eradicate them.

But with pigs, it's really difficult. How do the Mouflon sheep taste? Mouflon sheep are amazing. Yeah, that's what I've heard. They're great. They're fantastic. They're great to hunt. Did you see that controversy that happened pretty recently where a woman shot a wild

sheep? I did. A wild goat in Europe. And people were upset at her and all these... Ricky Gervais, of course, he has to jump in. That's his favorite thing. Glenn Greenwald. All these people jumped in. What they don't understand is these wild

goats are an invasive species. They have no natural predators and they hunt them to preserve the wildlife that's native to the area. Yeah. Whether it's the plant life, animal life. I mean, these goats, if their populations are left unchecked, they hunt them for a very specific reason.

Really, if you talk to some wildlife biologists, they should be eradicated. Yeah. Because a lot of them were left on islands. People don't realize this, by whalers. They left them on these islands because this was an island off of, I believe it was off of Ireland or Scotland. See if you can find that story, Scotland. A lot of them are left there by travelers so that they would have food there when they

came back. So they would drop these things off on these certain islands. And in fact, there was a real area, a real problem where they dropped them off. So this was the woman. And people got all over this lady for shooting this wild goat, which is really kind of crazy because they eat them. They're delicious. They eat them as food.

They're invasive. I mean, there's so many things going in, pointing towards the direction that this was actually a smart conservation thing to do. But I guess maybe it was because of the way she talked about it, you know, because she said it was a really fun hunt or something like that. Well, like, I get it. It's like a beautiful creature. Yeah, it is. And it would have still been alive if she wasn't there. So that perspective of people of just like, you like, why do you got to kill it?

It's a wild animal living on an island. Why can't you just let them live? It's a natural perspective. It's as simple as that. It's just normal human nature to think that. But all the people who think that, if you dig a little deeper, there's a lot more information there. You just can't let those goats get out of hand. They're as hardy as hell. They don't die.

But that's the problem with someone like Ricky Gervais or Glenn Greenwald, someone like that that has a giant platform that loves animals, and I appreciate that, and that instantly posts something like this, very inflammatory, without looking into it deeper. They use their platform, and they think, to expose something they think is horrific. But they don't understand what's going on behind the scenes of this. There's a thing called Judas goats, and what they do is they'll take a goat, and they'll neuter that goat and put a GPS tag on it and send it out because goats always flock together. And this goat will go near the other goats,

and then they fly over with helicopters and gun these goats down. And this is just to keep goat populations in check. So they kill every goat but the Judas goat, and then the Judas goat will find other goats, and then they fly over again and gun all the goats down. And this is done by wildlife biologists. They do that right by my house. They do this just because those goats eat everything.

I have a friend who lives in Topanga, and they bought goats to clean their property. They thought, oh, this would be a good idea. We'll bring these goats in, and they'll eat all the weeds. No, they eat everything. Everything. Every last thing. They keep going. And so they'll decimate local wildlife, like whatever their habitat is.

They'll devastate all these local plants. I mean, things that are supposed to be there that have been there forever. When these invasive species get there, they have a really hard time maintaining. And then it gets to a point where they have to do something about it. Well, this woman paid to do that, so that money goes towards conservation. She gets to eat the meat. She has this enjoyable experience hunting these things in the

mountains, but people don't want to look at that. They just want to look at it. It shouldn't die. It's really particularly crazy when it's a guy like Ricky Gervais who eats meat. The whole thing is just so strange. It's just so strange that people refuse to look deeper into these things and they

immediately have these knee-jerk reactions where they want to complain about it and do so publicly in a way that gets all these people to attack this woman well the photo of that dead animal that's what that's what initiates that that response right like emotional response a human gets smiling that's the worst thing ever right and then they'll go to the fridge and grab some like steak and cook it and think nothing of it. Yeah. Nothing at all of that meat.

They don't see the parallel there. They just think that it's completely different and weird that someone wants to go hunt them. Yeah. You know? It's fucked up

in this weird, accepted, hypocritical way. I mean, it's oddly accepted. But we all have freezers full of the best meat there is and eat it every night. And it's amazing.

I'm never going to stop. We do. Yeah, we do. People that hunt. We do. Yeah. That we actually have that connection with that meat. We killed it.

We skinned it. We got the meat. We deboned it. We packed it out. We packaged it and put it in our freezers ourselves. But this is the first I've seen. Pretty freaking awesome. This is the first I've seen someone get attacked at something that's a meat animal.

Because I've seen people, maybe they don't know it's a meat animal, but I've seen people get attacked for, obviously, for anything like that. It's a predator. Lions and... Yeah, the predator one is the biggest one. Like, if you kill something that's a predator, people, for whatever weird reason, freak out more than anything. Well, and if there's like a general idea that they're endangered. Right. You know what I mean?

Like everybody thinks that lions are endangered or elephants are endangered. Or even bears. Or bears are endangered. People think that bears are endangered. Yeah. So, yeah, there's a lot of misconceptions out there for sure. But I don't really eat lions or elephants or anything like that. I eat deer and there's millions of deer.

Millions. Yeah, literally. Yeah. I mean, where we hunt in lanai has 3 000 people more they estimate somewhere over 20 000 deer and they don't even know i mean it's just bananas i'm on a text thread with with um benny o'brien and remi and and all and all you guys and and there was a stat that they were saying yesterday i don't know if you're on that text. And they were saying that in one of the Midwest states, I don't know which one it was. Do you remember? In one of the Midwest states,

like 850,000 deer died during gun season. And half of them, like 400,000 deer died in the first two days. Because we were talking about Adam being in the tree. That's crazy. In one state alone, 850,000 deer died during gun season. So you think of how many deer that is.

Imagine if no one hunted for like three years. What was that stat? How many deer there would be. The number of car accidents nationwide with deer, I think it's a million and a half. I mean, but the people who get angry at the photos don't think of what it would be like if you just stopped hunting. Yeah. Imagine how many goats there would be. Imagine how many pigs there would be.

How many deer. How many deer there would be. They think nature would sort itself out. It wouldn't. Well, it would eventually, but you'd have to bring in wolves if you're comfortable with wolves eating your kids. Yeah. I mean, that's what it is. Tigers and...

All that big bad wolf shit from when we were little kids, like little pig, little pig, let me in. That's because wolves were everywhere and they were bad. It was dangerous. Like you would go through a walk through the woods. They'd eat your kids. Yeah. That really did happen.

Yeah. We just, we got so far away from that, we forgot of it as a possibility. Yeah. So now we think of them as dogs that are living their natural, that dog's just living his best life out in the woods. Howl. Oh, I love it when they howl. They're trying to figure out how to eat you. They want to get through your house. They're trying to figure out how to eat your kids. And if you reintroduce them into Yellowstone, they're never going to leave Yellowstone. They're going to stay there. They're going to stay right in this little tiny pocket of where

they like to live. They're never going to reproduce into like thousands. Yeah. They're, you know, that's what those people think, but really they're going to just start roaming and recreating thousands and thousands and thousands of wolves that are all going to go into like neighborhoods eventually. Yeah. Well, and that's what's happening.

I mean, that's what's happening in Montana. That's what's happening in Idaho. I mean, these are all reintroduced wolves that are, I mean, and they also go on these surplus kills where they'll kill like 15 elk and just leave them there. They just go nutty.

Yeah. That's what they do. My friend lives in Montana and he was telling me that the wolf population is so out of hand that the elk population has been decimated. It's down by like 80% or something. Some crazy stat. Crazy. I mean, I can only imagine.

Yeah. They weren't there in 1994. I mean, I can only imagine. They weren't there in 1994. I mean, that's when they reintroduced them, right, in the 90s? I mean, now that human population is so established in a lot of these areas, you can't just reintroduce wolves with no plan to keep a lid on it. Well, there is a plan, but the problem with the plan is the established numbers that they needed to achieve before they started managing the population, then there was immediate lawsuits by animal rights activists who don't want them to ever hunt wolves.

Right. So in Montana, they've opened up seasons. They've opened up seasons in Idaho. They've opened up seasons for wolves, and they would like to do the same for grizzly bears in a lot of these areas. And there's a lot of pushback on that, but it's the same sort of thing the established numbers that they needed to achieve in order to make it a sustainable population they've been reached and then the wildlife biologists the ones who are objective about are saying hey we need to keep

these populations in check in order to keep the deer populations healthy and the moose populations healthy because these bears and these wolves they're just destroying these calves and they just run around and the populations of these animals go way down. Now, there's also an argument and a really good one that you need predators. And this good argument is you don't ever want lanai to be recreated in Montana, right? Where there's just these deer and just these elk. You want a certain natural balance. And so there's an argument that there should be a certain amount of wolves. And I agree with that argument.

I agree too, but the balance can be really difficult to maintain. Yeah. That's, that's my point is like, if there's too many elk and you want to control that number, say there's a hundred thousand elk, but there should only be 50,000 elk. That's, that's the perfect number. Right. It's actually pretty easy to go from a hundred thousand to 50,000 to draw that elk herd back. Pretty easy through management and through

hunting. Same with deer. You can pull that number back pretty quick. Wolves are freaking hard to kill, dude. If you had to kill a wolf and you had a gun, it's freaking hard. If you had to kill a deer and you had a gun, not that hard. You can find deer.

Finding a wolf is freaking hard, dude. So once those, my point is once those wolf numbers get out of hand, trying to manage that population, the wolf population, is very, very difficult. Well, places that are used to dealing with them, they know what the fuck to do. Like Alaska. You gotta trap them and everything.

They trap them, they fly around in planes and shoot them out of the air with helicopters. I mean, they eradicate them. Is that Sarah Palin? I don't think she's doing that anymore. them they fly around in planes and shoot them out of the out of the air with helicopters i mean they eradicate them is that sarah palin i don't think she's doing that anymore but there's a lot of people up there that do do that and you can buy wolf skin rugs that they they sell those skins and turn them into rugs and do all sorts of different things with the pelts gotta do something yeah they do something with it so it's But they do that because they have a vested interest in keeping the population of their game animals alive

for a couple reasons. And there's criticism about that, too, that they maybe kill too many wolves because they want you to be able to go there and a lot of their tourism dollars comes from people that fly in to hunt moose or fly in to hunt deer, and they want to make sure they keep certain populations of them there.

So it's all – there's a real problem when you get emotions and you have those emotions tied in to this idea of wildlife biology and what an animal is and keeping healthy numbers of these animals in a certain area. That's a real – becomes a real issue. That's a real, becomes a real issue, you know, and that's why when this goat thing happens and everybody freaks out over it, it's like you should probably educate yourself as to what you're talking about before you start complaining because you're just throwing gasoline on this fire and you don't necessarily understand all the circumstances involved. Those goats are gnarly too because, you know, because they live where I live and they, on, they love shorelines and they love like ridges and berms and stuff like that and they're they're they're they create so much erosion because they love those like edges on on cliffs and stuff and so they they ruin all the berms origin they they ruin all the cliffs and then there's all this runoff there's all this erosion and they I mean they completely decimate all the grass all the, all the way down. They don't just trim things.

They're not selective eaters. They'll just chow down all the way to the roots and then eat the roots also. So there's nothing holding that dirt in place. So when it rains, just everything spills downhill because of the goats. They really, I see it. And with deer, you can see some impact that they have,

for sure. Let those numbers get out of hand. They have the same effect. But goats, goats are radical. The populations explode and if someone's not managing them, you can see the impact that they have on the land. And that'll have an impact on all the

native species too. All the ground nesting birds, all the animals that use the grass and those bushes and all those different things for cover and for life. Yeah. And the things that they feed off of. All that stuff gets eaten by the goats.

You know? Yeah. If there's a large population of goats somewhere, you'll know it. Yeah. There'll be like almost nothing left. There really is. I appreciate these people like Glenn Greenwald. I appreciate the sentiment behind it.

I really do. I just wish they would look into it a little bit deeper. And, you know, this woman, she's not a bad person. She's just, that's how she gets her meat. You know? Yep. Like I said, especially a guy like Ricky, who I've met. I've actually talked about hunting with him on a radio show before.

I did it on the Opie and Anthony show. I had to explain to him that I'm a hunter and that I hunt animals and I eat them. Because he was talking about hunters. And he was actually very friendly with them because he was talking about hunters. And he was actually very friendly with me and we were cool about it. He's like, as long as you eat it, that's what you're doing it for. I'm like, that's exactly what I do it for. But he eats meat too, which is so – it's weird.

The fact that people think that they are morally disconnected from the act of killing an animal just because they use a credit card to buy meat is so hilarious. You hired a supermarket hitman. That's what you did. Supermarket hitman took a prisoner, a prisoner cow, and fucking put a bolt through its head. And you feel completely detached from it. No karma. Well, and when someone eats a hamburger, they think nothing of eating a quarter of it or half of it. I'm really full. You can just take that away from me. Yeah. You never do that with your elk, do you? No, no, I eat it all. Yeah. I eat it all. Yeah. I make sure that if I cook it,

I cook enough so that me and my family eat it and whatever's left over, I know I'll eat in the morning or eat the next day for lunch. That's a huge difference is you have so much respect for that meat and for that animal because all the effort it took and you watch that thing live in the wild. You have a completely different perspective of that meat than you do if you just, you know, order a hamburger at the restaurant. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But that, again, that's one of those.

I mean, you and I have developed this perspective from years of hunting and being around people who hunt, and we understand it. For the average person that's never going to encounter that in their entire life, we've developed this very weird society where we've insulated people from all of the ugly realities of eating meat and of wearing leather. I mean, we're sitting on leather chairs. I didn't think about it once. This used to be a fucking cow. Someone shot this cow and turned it into a nice chair. No one minds sitting on a cow that's dead, but no one wants to see that dead cow laying on the ground, the eyes open and blood. Hanging from its ankles.

Yeah. People, and I think it's important for people to see that. I mean, my kids have seen a lot of dead animals. It's not sad. It's a little sad, but it's not like they don't think of it as sad. They think of it as just like a part of life. That's what we eat. Dad brings a deer home in the cooler.

Dad brings a pig home on the front of the quad with his bow, with a bloody arrow. It's totally normal. They see me drag it off the quad and shoot it down with a hose and quarter it and debone it. And they help me package it and grind the meat. And it's totally normal to them. It should be totally normal. But there's a connection between the death and what we're eating. Right.

Which a lot of people just don't have. And I love that, that my kids already have that. It's a good thing, I think. Well, I think that we have a real problem in this society where so many people, somewhere in the neighborhood of 95 to 97% of the people eat meat, and the number of people that have actually seen an animal die is like two or three. What's the population of people that hunt in North America? Let's guess.

Guess the population of the US that hunts. I'm going to say it's 3%. That might be high even. Three out of 100? What do you think it is? It's probably less than three. For sure. Let's see what it is.

What population of the United States of America hunts? Jamie's raising his eyebrows. It might be a technicality here, but it says there's 101.6 million Americans that participated, 16 and older. Fish and wildlife shows that 101.6 million participated in wildlife-related activities. Oh, wildlife-related. That includes pig fucking. That includes wildlife watching, it says.

Oh, wildlife watching. I've typed in population of fuches in the U.S. That's a pig fucking. That includes wildlife watching, it says. Yeah. Oh, wildlife watching. Yeah, and I've typed in population of hunters in the U.S. That's a lot different. That's all that came up? There's got to be a population of actual number of hunters. I mean, this is back in, I don't know. That's the other thing, too, is like there's a hierarchy. Like people don't have a problem with people fishing.

No. No. No problem. Or posting a photo with their fishing pole and their catch. Yeah. Hey, you got some food. What's different between that? 6% maybe.

What's the difference between that and a deer? Deers are warm. They're warm and they have fur. That's what it is. And there's been a movie made about them. Ah, they talk. But what about Nemo? Disney.

Fuck Nemo. Nobody cares about Nemo. Nobody cares about Nemo, dude. Nemo gets no love. He doesn't get any love. I was thinking of this, though, because I have kids, and my kids eat meat. And I feel like, imagine if you made a law that after the age of 16 years old in America, if you wanted to eat another hamburger, you had to kill two animals.

You go to a place, whatever it is, like a ranch where they process meat, and there's a cow there and there's a rifle there. And you go, okay, if you want to be a meat eater from now on, from their 16th birthday on, the only way to eat meat in the future is if you've got to do it yourself at least twice. You can't just do it once. You've got to kill a cow, watch it get processed, and then you've got to wait like a month or whatever it is and go back and take another animal's life. And then you earn the right to eat meat the rest of your life.

Imagine how many people wouldn't be able to do that. They're happy to eat meat, but there's that disconnection with the actual death part. I would have a problem with forcing people to do it, just like I'd have a problem with forcing people to get rid of— No, let's force them. I don't think people should be forced to get rid of their garbage. It's just a wild concept. It is an interesting concept. But I think there's services like taking your garbage and bringing it to the garbage dump.

I don't think you should have to go to the garbage dump. Go to the landfill and drop your garbage off. I'm happy that there's someone that gets paid to pick up the bins and dump the garbage into the garbage truck and then drive it to the bin. I'm happy that that exists. I like that. Yeah. I like the fact that someone takes care of your sewage. I agree.

I like the fact that I can buy a steak. For sure. All I'm saying is, like, if you could earn the right to eat steak, you know, you would have to do it every time. You wouldn't have to, like, kill a cow every time you wanted to eat more. Like, once you finish that cow, you need to kill another one. I'm just saying everyone should know what it's like to take an animal's life. No, I agree with you. To eat meat.

I agree everyone should probably know what it's like. Because if you don't, it's hard to respect that animal enough. Like I was saying, my kids don't waste deer meat. If it's on their plate, they eat it. If they don't eat it, I put it in there and eat it the next day or whatever it is. There's always a lesson to be taught when you're eating wild game that you've hunted yourself, I think. I think there's a problem whenever there's a disconnect, right? It's like I think there's a problem if money just comes for free.

There's a problem if your meat just comes from a store. free. There's a problem with your meat just comes from a store. There's a weird disconnect between the actual thing that's living and then eating it. And most people, the vast majority of people, are completely disconnected from that.

That's the case with farming vegetables, too. Most people, I don't think they have an appreciation for a vegetable being a life form that you're consuming. there's a growth process. It's a living thing. You pull it out of the ground. You cook it.

You eat it. I mean, that disconnect, I think, is real, too, because there's a real good feeling that I get when I eat vegetables that have grown in my garden. Yeah. I mean, I love it. I really enjoy it. I get a kick out of it. I really enjoy it. I get a kick out of it. And there's a lot of people who look down on us for hunting who are, say, like, you're a vegan who just eats nothing but vegetables and fruit or whatever it is. And, you know, they're looking at us like we're crazy for, you know, the impact we have on the animals, killing them or whatever. But, like, a lot of the vegetables that people eat nowadays are grown in places that used to be rainforest.

Like the Amazon is just getting whacked down just to grow corn stuff like that you know what i mean like there's a lot of it is just cattle right isn't the amazon a lot of the deforestation i think that the primary uh a lot of it's for ethanol too though is it for for corn yeah there's but i think hardwoods they chopped a lot of it down for hardwoods and they chopped a lot of it down for hardwoods, and they chopped a lot of it down in order to provide grazing lands for cattle. I think in the future all of the vegetables and stuff are going to be – I was talking to Kelly about this. There's a lot of things that are happening now with technology

that I think a lot of the vegetables and stuff that we're going to be eating are going to be grown vertically instead of on these massive farms of these huge 100,000- ranches full of like vegetables. It's all going to be grown like in smaller spaces, you know, super, super efficient growing in smaller spaces to feed more people with less space. I wonder if they could do that with grain. That's going to be kind of crazy. That's going to be crazy. Yeah, that would be crazy.

I mean, there's probably some real benefits to that, but I wonder if they could do that with grain. We're going to have to do something with our population keeping growing and more people and more demand for food and less space to grow it, you know? There's going to be an inflection point where someone else is going to have to do something. But I think technology is moving in that place where... And that's the thing. I fully get the people who hate on me on, say, social media

or whatever on my Instagram. If I did post a photo of me getting an elk or whatever it was and all these people get uppity but um because a lot of people can't go hunt you don't live in a place where they can go hunting and get their own meat they live in a city they live in new york city or shanghai or in buenos aires or whatever and they that's so unrelatable to them you know no i understand that i appreciate that and you know? No, I understand that. I appreciate that. And, you know, I think that social media is very strange in that regard, too, because people are always looking for people or things to get pissed off at.

Oh, yeah. They don't get mad if I post pictures of cooking elk, though. No, they don't. I mean, a few. There's a few, like, proselytizing vegans. Very few. You're going to get cancer, man. Yeah, yeah.

They always do that. They don't think cancer comes from meat. Imagine if all meat gave you cancer. You're going to get cancer, man. They always do that. They don't think cancer comes from meat. Imagine if all meat gave you cancer. You know how fucking stupid that is? Everyone would have cancer. Like literally 95% of the population would have cancer. There's a few epidemiological studies that have fucked people's heads up because they've related the idea of eating meat to poor health.

But these people that have eaten meat, they don't just eat meat. They've eaten meat along with sugar and alcohol consumption and cigarettes. It's a lifestyle. They don't factor those things in. And they're eating like a 30-ounce prime rib. Yeah. Your body is impossible for your body to process that. More likely they're eating burgers with sugary buns and processed meat and bullshit.

But when I eat meat, I normally eat meat that's like the size of my palm or smaller. I eat wild game and it's that size. I think it's easy for my body to process that. Eating like a prime rib that's like hanging off both sides of your plate like Fred Flintstone, that's difficult, I think, for your body to process that. That's not scientific. I just look at it and go, there's no way I can, my body's going to deal with that. Where's it going to fit? It's going to stay in there for 30 years. You know,

they always say that like it's going to stay. That's not true too. That's all nonsense too. Wasn't Kelly talking about like poop in here, like shooting his butt out and all this stuff. Yeah. He was talking about talk. Yeah. He Yeah, he was talking about when you go on these extreme fasts and then all this weird stuff that comes out of the inside of your gut. Yeah. It comes out. Yeah. I would try that just to look at that stuff, see what that stuff looks like. Yeah, I would try it, but I wouldn't want to look at it.

I definitely would want, like the, you know, like when you're having a baby and they put up like a curtain sometimes, you don't have to see anything like that. Like, okay, I'm just going to put my legs up. Someone's, you got a visual of that? Yeah. Got my legs up and someone out there, you know, doing all that stuff. Do you grow your own vegetables? I don't. No?

I travel like half the time. I'm gone from home like literally half the time. So it's really difficult to. Is it hard getting good vegetables on the big island um no there's not it's it's it's actually really easy there's really good farmers markets um i'm lucky because my my my mom and her boyfriend have a really neat like a hydroponic killer vegetable garden oh so like we'll trade a lot of times i'll give them venison and i'll get really good veggies from them and stuff like that. Oh, that's great. So it's a good trade.

That's cool. Yeah. So there's a lot of meals that we do where like no one has touched that meal except for my family. So it's cool. I like that. Roseanne has a, she's got a macadamia nut farm on the big island and she raves about it up there, man.

She loves it. I listened to part of her podcast with you. I haven't finished it yet, but she's amazing. She's funny. She's, you know what, man? They up there, man. She loves it. I listened to part of her podcast with you. I haven't finished it yet. But she's amazing. She's funny. She's, you know what, man? They fucked up, man. They really did fuck up.

They fucked up when they- They blew it, huh? That lady is not racist. She's definitely mentally ill, but she's open about it. She's not racist. And they just jumped on the opportunity to virtue signal and to cry out against racism and to take a stand. But they took a stand against a woman that has mental problems, who's on all sorts of medication, who they knew about it. I mean, she was put in a mental hospital for nine months when she was a kid, and she was hit by a car.

I mean, she had a severe brain injury. Yeah. And ever since then, she's had multiple personality disorder. She's been on a host of different medications. And they knew about this. Everybody knew brain injury. Yeah. And ever since then, she's had multiple personality disorder. She's been on a host of different medications. And they knew about this. Everybody knew about this. Yeah. They should have known.

It's basically like taking a person who's got a broken leg and getting mad that they limp. It's what they did. Yeah. I mean, they have a person who had brain problems, who tweets a bunch of wacky shit. She's on Ambien and drinking and smoking pot. And even then, she wasn't being racist. She wasn't.

She didn't know that lady was black. The lady didn't even look black. If you look at her, you look at a picture of her, she does not look black. She just thought she was being funny and she thought she was making a solid point that she was going to expand upon when she woke up in the morning.

She literally said that. She's all fucked up on hand being and pot and drinking. I listened to that. It was crazy. Yeah, that was fucked up. That happened to her. And it sucks that her show got canceled. Well, the new one sucks.

The new one sucks and it's going down the toilet. So, hey, sort of the same subject. Did you see that rad documentary about the white woman who ran the NAACP? Yes. And freaking act like a black lady? I know who she is, but Rachel Dolezal. That was one of the best best freaking documentaries

as incredible documentary. Yeah. Insane. She's out of her mind, dude. They kept asking her if she was black and she would just straight up like at first she said yes and then she said like it's not that important and then she was like tanning herself and like putting like all this brown makeup on herself and getting like weaves and doing her nails like

how she thought like black people would do their nails like it was super weird and then she ran the she ran the NAACP yeah it was just a wild documentary the chick was just in outer space it's hilarious that she ran the NAACP. For like a while, dude. Yeah. She probably did a good job. And she had a huge impact. She was amazing at her job. Supposedly, in the documentary,

it was saying that she got all this stuff done that they were trying to do for a long time and she was really, really good at doing her job. It just sucked that she was actually a white lady who was acting the whole time. Well, what's really fucked is NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. You cannot call African Americans colored people.

That is a fucking slur. They have a slur in their title. We're living in weird times, man. It's crazy. You can say people of color, which is fucking bizarre. You can't say colored people, but you can say people of color. It's the same words just twisted around. Dude, I had a...

It's messed up. It's like, you can just be like labeled a racist or a sexist or whatever for like saying like the... Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's wild. I had a 23andMe DNA test done. How cool are those?

They're pretty good. Yeah. And I was hoping, if I was more than 10% black, I was going to start dropping N-bombs. But 1.6. 1.6? I'm 1.6% African.

Pretty strong. It's all dick. When they did that thing about Elizabeth Warren, I did find out what percentage she is. Elizabeth Warren, who claimed to be Native American, and she did a test. She's like one hundredth of what I am. It's literally like her saying she's a Native American is literally like me saying I'm African American. But I have more of a claim.

I have far more. I think some insane number, factor of more African in me than she has Native American. And I'm not even remotely Native American. I'm remotely African, rather. I'm 1.6%. I have 1.6% African in me. And she has, like, some fucking really stupid number. What is the number? It's like.0001.

The world's gone wild these days, dude. I don't even know how to make sense of all that stuff. She had... What happened was a Harvard researcher looked into it and gave a number that was very vague that would be like 1 in 512th to 1 in 1024th.

Something like that. That sucks, dude. It's so crazy. It sucks. It sucks that that's the thing. We're all something. Who gives a shit? But she got into Harvard because of this where she claimed she was Native American. I mean, she got in by claiming that she was a minority. It was Harvard, right? Correct?

I'm being honest about that? Or was it Cambridge? Whatever the university she got in. Some Ivy League school. She got into university by claiming that she was Native American, so she got a special scholarship because of that. Oh, man. It's literally like me going to Morehouse and saying I'm African American, except I have a far better claim.

You have a much higher percentage. Much higher. That's so crazy. That's wild. Meanwhile, she's so nuts, because Trump was always calling her Pocahontas, and Trump said that if she How well is it that you can't if you said the wrong thing on your podcast people be up in arms? But some reason the president could say whatever the hell he wants to say. Well, he's making

Tending to be a Native American. Yeah, he was joking about her She's not really Native American and he called her Pocahontas and he said she took a DNA test and showed that she was Native American He would donate a million dollars to a charity of her choice. So she, after this fucking test that basically showed she has the smallest measurable possibility of Native American

in her, was requiring him to pay a million dollars. Did he laugh? You should pay Harvard for what you fucking Built from them Where at school did she go to? Trying to find the actual thing

I think she actually got a job at Harvard Not Didn't go there For education Oh she got a job there Because of You'll figure it out That's hilarious.

The idea that that is something you can lean on is so goddamn crazy. Listen, you're a white lady. I'm a white guy. Shut the fuck up. Okay? You're not... There's not a part of you that has been discriminated against

because of the fact that you're Native American. It just doesn't exist. It's not true. That's so fascinating to me. People love to be a victim. They love to say, you know, growing up was hard because I'm one 150,000th Native American. That's crazy, dude. Crazy.

And where does it stop? Is it cool to say that if you're 2% or 10% or 50%? Where is it? That's what I'm saying. At 1.6%, I really don't feel like I could drop n-bombs. Right. No, it's not cool. If I was 10%.

It's not cool. 10%. I'm mostly Italian. I'm like three-quarters Italian, so I can call someone a guinea. Guinea. No problem. But Italians don't give a fuck if you call them guineas. They're like, okay.

Move on. It's all good. There's no good slurs for Italians that work. They've successfully integrated into society. But when my grandfather used to tell me about, he came over here when he was a boy from Italy, and he would tell me about how bad it was, about how much they were discriminated against.

Yeah. It was hardcore. I mean, they were treated a lot of the same way racist people treat Mexicans today. And Irish, same thing. Same thing. Yeah. Yeah. And that's my background is Italian and Irish mostly, but someone got fucked by a black

person somewhere, somewhere 1.6%. I don't know how many generations. I guess the claim is that she used her claim that she's Native American to get a job. Yes. Not to get into school. Not to go to school. Oh, okay. To get a job.

At Harvard. One at Harvard, one at Pennsylvania. So she did it twice. Give that money back, bitch. Dude, I love the DNA test, though. I love the DNA test. Yeah. Because it just proves that we're all like something.

Yeah. We're all a bunch of shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm like 30 things of shit like yeah, you know what I mean? I'm like 30 things of Whatever yeah, no, I mean and like it does it matter not really shouldn't matter Well, really we're all African all of us because that was the original human being it depends who you ask though I mean we came from out the human beings evolved from Africa if you believe in evolution if you believe in evolution

That's a big if. Listen, man, if we stop this podcast right now, we could shoot Techno Hunt for another half hour. Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. Ladies and gentlemen, Shane Dorian. Follow him on ShaneDorian808 on Twitter and Shane Dorian. Is that you? No.

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