The Joe Rogan Experience - #1212 - David Goggins

Episode Date: December 5, 2018

David Goggins is a retired Navy SEAL and former USAF Tactical Air Control Party member who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is an ultramarathon runner, ultra-distance cyclist, triathlete and world record holder for the most pull-ups done in 24 hours. His new book "Can't Hurt Me" is available now via Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Cant-Hurt-Me-Master-Your/dp/1544512287

So you're real, man. Oh yeah, come on, let's go! Boom, and we're live. David Goggins, your book is fucking fantastic, man. This has been my running partner. The audio version of it has been my running partner for the last week. It's fucking amazing, man. Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. Well, you guys are doing something very unusual.

The book is great. I've read it, like sat down and read, read. But the audio book is really interesting. Right. Because you and the gentleman that you wrote it with. Yeah, Adam. Adam. Adam Skolnick. Adam Skolnick, who reads it.

Then you come on and talk about things in between. So it's more than just the book. Right. It's the book plus. It's the book plus like a podcast right yeah so how that came to be man is um as i was going through this book for last year we would go through change stuff up i have so many stories man we went through interviews many people so many stories he would come back and read it to me all my changes and when he read

i'm like man this guy has a great reading voice i love his reading voice and i started getting these different ideas about doing like you know what maybe he can read and i can do my podcast thing on the side and he can like after each chapter in between chapters make it real interactive type of thing and that's kind of how it came to be man at the beginning i gotta be honest the beginning i was like who is this motherfucker talking for David Garnett? I was going to call Dave, like, Dave, can you redo this? Why don't you do it? Why don't you?

But it works. Right. It really does work. Yeah. Like, as it goes on, and I got, also, it's very obvious that you and him are good friends. So when you guys are talking, then I don't mind him reading for you as much for some strange reason. Right. I know it doesn't make any sense.

Well, I want to say we're good friends. I'm just joking, Adam. I don't know if you for you as much for some strange reason. I know it doesn't make any sense. Well, I want to say we're good friends. I'm just joking, Adam. I know you can hear me right now. He became a pain in my fucking ass during this process, man, because, you know, he's just a real anal guy. You know, he helped out a lot. You know, I'm a real raw, sadistic type of mindset. And he helped me put that on paper, man. So I give him a lot of credit for that.

Well, it comes across across the book is outstanding and you know it's it's it's more than just sitting like sitting across you and you telling your story is one thing but this long detailed history of how you became to be the person you became i think it's very educational for people because they can realize like oh he wasn't always this guy right this is what's fucked up about people like you see a guy who's like you who runs i mean how many ultra marathons did you run in a row you ran some insane number i ran eight hundreds and eight weekends in a row just stop and think about that ladies and gentlemen 800s means eight 100 mile races eight weekends in a row a hundred mile race will put you out for fucking six months right you know when you ran eight of them eight weekends or it's a fuck it's a fucking insane accomplishment it was

nuts you think about a person like that you think of them as in this like static fully formed version right you don't usually get to see, and especially someone like you, who you went into so much depth about your rise and fall and rise and fall. It wasn't like a straight linear process between you getting inspired and then you becoming this bad motherfucker. No, it wasn't like,

what's that show called? That Will Smith plays, that black guy who kind of makes it in um in the financial world uh pursuit of happiness i never saw that yeah it's a great movie it wasn't like pursuit of happiness man like like where the guy struggles and he and he gets over it and he makes it yeah i fell on my ass i thought i got the top mount everest and mount everest just fucking slide right underneath me man i was like god. I start from scratch again scratch became my friend Literally, man. So, you know, that's that's how you put in the book man

Just going up going down going up just a real raw version of how my life was in It was so in-depth to go back through your life with a fine-tooth comb That I almost got embarrassed even put it out there to people. Yeah, that's what I understand man Like even me right now to talk to you i'm in the car for a fucking hour getting pumped up because i'm a shy introverted leave me alone type of guy like i'm still that motherfucker who is six years old you know at a play who can't say his line because i know i'm gonna stutter in front of five people so i walk off the stage that's still me So every day I'm fighting that, dude. So people think, oh my God, man, you're in a podcast.

You look so crazy, so evil. No, I'm trying to be locked into Joe. So my mind is off saying, let's run out the damn door because people are watching me on the fucking podcast. I want to open this damn door and get the hell out of here, man. So that's the real me. So I'm not sadistic man i'm focused on what i have to do to stay locked into the game of life and that's what and that's why i

tell people man i i go there i go there that's one of the reasons why this book is so good is because you're so honest about your vulnerabilities and how you overcome them and for people that see someone who's a beast who's done great things you just assume that they're different than you right but then you hear about your insecurities and your pitfalls and all the things that went wrong with you and you realize well god damn it those are the same things that go wrong with me like maybe i have that inside of me and i've just never summoned it right and i'll tell you this i started really realizing that when I started overcoming myself, I started getting around these real alpha males these hard hard men And I always put people way above me when I was growing up like my god

They had to have a lot more than me to get to where they're at And a lot of them did But once you get around the the best of the best of the best people You can kind of start breaking them down and realizing man You you're just as fucked up as me. Like we all have, but all you did was you hid it better.

Your upbringing, your mom and dad, your society, the way you were raised, it hid it better than mine. You weren't the only black kid, or there was like five, in a school.

You know, I can't hide. Going through buzz, I was the only black kid. You can't hide. But I started realizing only black you can't hide but i started realizing just because i look different than you a lot of you my first can't hide either so it started giving me courage through watching people that we all have a story we all have a jacked up life in one way or another some of us don't have the guts to talk about it though and that's where i found the guts to talk about mine well there's some there's purity in physical

pursuits right because it doesn't matter what your social status is. It doesn't matter how people perceive you. When it comes down to how long can you stay in that pool, when it comes down to how far can you run, when it comes down to how much can you push yourself past the part where you want to quit, how far can you keep going, there's a purity in that. It dissolves social order all that bullshit all the what people think about you goes out the window it's what who who are you right now that's right who are you right now that's a true statement man and i look at it as a psychological warfare

and that's where i started learning that that life is one big psychological warfare that you play on yourself you play on yourself man the play on yourself, man. The most important conversation I ever had is with myself. And the shit I was telling myself was so fucked up. It was so wrong. It was so misguided. And other people start to write that dialogue for you also. And it starts to be what you say to yourself every single day. And I started creating a whole nother warfare,

a whole nother battle started becoming. I was like, oh, hang on a second, Goggins. You have these tools. You have these tools. Your life was basically the perfect, the perfect grounds for training for where you need to go in your life. All the beatings, all the all the bullying, all that, you know, you going through learning disabilities, all the struggles. It was the absolute perfect training ground for you to go to where you need to go. And that's how I started looking at my life versus woe is me, poopy pants, kick a rock down the street mentality. It was not. God just hooked you right the fuck up.

He hooked you right up, man, with the perfect place. You were training for the first 18, 19, 20, you were training for this stuff, man. you have the advantage of everybody else versus my god They're so above me They came from a great family Mom and dad love them. They didn't have to learn. They didn't start. They didn't struggle No, man, your struggle is what made you who you are now So I started flipping this into a whole different I started being a master of What I was scared of I was scared of my mind

And I became a literally a master of what I was scared of. I was scared of my mind. And I became literally a master of that mind. And that's what now, from now on, it sets me apart from most people. I started diving into that. Well, that is a big part of the story is when you go over your childhood and, you know, your abusive father and then having this great guy that was going to become your stepdad. And then he gets murdered. It's like right when you're about to get out of it, everything looks good. Boom. And then he gets murdered.

It's like these things really did sort of set you up to start from scratch again and just go, okay, roger that. We start from scratch. And now you have that attitude. You developed it through all of these horrible personal experiences, all the trials and tribulations, all the evil shit that people try to do to you, that sort of set you up to be able to deal in a way that a lot of people can't. Well, I used to look at my life from a different vantage point. And when you're in all the muck and you're just walking in muck and walking in muck and walking in muck, you don't see that if you look off to the fucking left of the muck there's a sidewalk brother get off get off of it you have your head down looking in this muck once i saw the sidewalk got the sidewalk i got a little break and i got a different vantage

point and then from the sidewalk i found a cliff then i found a mountain i got way up high on top of my life and looked back down on it and said, okay I gotta figure this out, man I'm, not going anywhere. I'm starting to lie. I'm starting like so when you have a messed up foundation I started lying about everything. I wanted people to like me. I wanted to be accepted in some society of life some social society and I I was like man, this isn't the right way. I messed up here. I messed up here. I messed up everywhere And so I realized the worst thing that happened to me is I lost myself. I never had myself. I never found myself.

I had no self-esteem. So I knew through working out and through learning, because it took a lot for me to learn also, I started finding self-esteem. Once I found that, that's when doors started opening up. I stopped caring about people, what they thought, being judged. Wow, if I say this, if I start it right now, are you going to make fun of me? I stopped caring about people, what they thought, being judged. Wow, if I say this, if I start it right now, are you going to make fun of me? I stopped caring about that. And that's when my life started really changing for me, slowly but surely.

That's such an important point when you're talking about the working out. Because a lot of people, when they think about working out, they think of it as being a physical thing. Right. No. No. I did it for mental. Yeah. People always say, my God, no.

Don't look at it like, I didn't care about losing weight. I didn't care about being the fastest person. I didn't care about, I wasn't making the Olympics. I wasn't going to pros. I could barely read and write when I was a junior in high school. I wasn't going anywhere. I saw working out as a way for me to build calluses on my mind. I had to callous over the victim's mentality.

So I watched these movies. I talked about Rocky last time I was on here. I always equated training to mental toughening. It always looked brutal. People waking up early and doing all these things. It looked horrible. I was like, wow, man, I got to start doing that. Not to get better, bigger and stronger, but that is what's going to build me. That looks uncomfortable. That looks brutal. And getting up early, I don't want to do that. Some of this long list of things I don't want to do. And through that, I found myself. I'm like, you guys aren't doing this shit in high school. You guys aren't getting up at five o'clock in the morning, running over here in this golf course. So I started seeing myself very differently than the average human being. I was like, hang on a second. I have something they don't have.

And that's when I started to develop these things through working out. It was this great, never-ending work ethic. And through work ethic, I developed self-esteem. Now, is this something that you learned? Is this something you learned yourself from exercise yourself? Or is this something you had read or heard about like what made you equate this doing this and doing these difficult things physically to mental toughness to being this is the discipline that you need in order to get your life out of the situation you're in so I never read anything you know I could barely read you know so I wasn't reading back then I just saw I watched a lot of movies and I was really big into visualization And um, I always equated working out to struggle

And I struggled my whole life, but I ran from it So I started realizing that I gotta start facing the struggle and I gotta be mentally strong for the struggle So that's why I started coming up with like i'm training for life Mentally i'm training for life. I'm not training for like To lift 400 pounds and I found out on my own pretty much Is that through this through through discipline through self-discipline through repetition? Through tons of repetition the same thing that you don't want to do And that's that's the key thing through repetition the things you don't want to do you develop mental like

Like an armor for your mind. Start to armor your mind. Because your mind's like, okay, we suffer. We suffer every day. It's what we do. We do stuff that sucks every day. So then when the suck stuff comes, you're ready for it. And that's how I started coming up.

I just started being very uncomfortable. And now it's like just a way of life. It's a crazy thing to figure out, though. It's like that you figured it out. and you didn't just figure it out. You embraced it. Like when you were talking about your senior year of high school, when you're talking about your mirror being your accountability mirror, like you had a radical shift. Like you just decided to not be a fucking loser and to start tightening up and start holding yourself accountable and get ready for things. So I had this my whole life.

I mean, I don't know if people believe in God or what. I don't care what you believe in. There's been this unrelenting voice in my head. We all have this voice. It's the right or wrong voice. And a lot of times that voice guides us into comfort. And my voice guided me into comfort a lot. But I had this other voice.

I heard my whole life saying, hey, motherfucker, what are you doing? No, man, we got to go over here. We got to go over here to that rock pile over in the fucking corner where nobody's at. That's where victory's at. We're over there in that corner. So this voice was giving me all these answers. I wasn't a real smart kid growing up up but i had this crazy voice in my head saying over there is where the fucking answers are and i won't listen to it because over there

was pain over there was me looking in the mirror over there was me being accountable for all these things i went through my life even though people put them on me it's now mine to own and i didn't want to go over there by myself but i had to and this voice was guiding me there it's god whatever you want to call it uh but that's what that's what it was in me there. It's god. Would everyone call it? Um, but that's what that's what it was in me Do you think that's just what you when you separate yourself from your ego and what what you were your insecurities and all you like? If you were giving yourself advice, you would say that's what the thing is to do So do you think that's what it was like your subconscious or? You stripped away from all the bullshit when you couldn't lie to yourself because it's a voice in your head. That's exactly it. It's exactly it. Because it knew. It knew.

I was a character. I was trying to find myself through a character. I was making different hairstyles and sagging my pants. And I was off. I was off, man. I was a clown. I was a clown. And I was like, this is not where you're supposed to be in life man and it's ugly when you look in that dirty mirror and you're trying to do a new hairstyle to go to school you know i had a hairstyle one time where i shaved the top of my head you know how old men had the hair like leaving their head yeah yeah so i went to school with hair on the side of my head and in my back and i shaved the whole top of my head i just i went to school like that you know and then i had like what did the kids say i wanted i don't remember what they

said but it was i was just a funny dude i you know so that was my thing i was the funny dude that came into school like crisscross came out when i was in high school so my pants were backwards i said you know i don't have my pants backwards sag down past my ass crack shirt turned backwards with a toothbrush in my mouth with the reverse part reverse part is your head is shaved and you have some hair on top just a little piece of hair versus like a like a part right through hair the part was on a bald head so it was just i i i would sit at home instead of studying i would think about what can I do to impress a motherfucker at school. Wow. And that became my life.

And that is, it's a long road to hoe to get to the guy who says, now, you don't ever smile on any podcast. You look so serious. I look at that shit. I'm like, you motherfuckers have no idea who I am, where I've come from to get here today you could have probably been an entertainer like you probably because you were doing all that kind of shit i have some jokes joe i got some jokes i bet you do so what people read in this book can't hurt me it's a sad story it's a horrible story it's a tragic story it's a story that made me who i am today but you have to learn to laugh at yourself too once you once you go through that shit

now so there's a lot of parts in there was a lot of me against a lot of white people you know and i have a routine that i won't do so people who hire me to speak i'm not gonna do the routine i often do it sometimes think about it i was a 36 black guy to go through seal training okay out of how many people out of probably probably, looking at probably 11, 12, to make it through, probably 13,000 SEALs. I was probably the 36th. I was the 36th black guy to make it through. And over, since like the 1940s, you know, you're looking at almost 70 years. Wow.

Yeah. So, you know, do the math on that. So, there's not a lot of black guys. And so, I take that and I make a nice comedy skit out of that shit. You know, like the first time they tied me up and threw me, it's called drown proofing. Yeah. So I'm negative boying as hell, you know? Me too.

I'm related to that big time. Yes, you and a few white boys, man, that are negative boying. You seem like a rock. I seem like a rock. And that's hard. So imagine them getting your hands and feet, tying your ass up and throwing you in the fucking water and say, swim. Ah, it was like throwing a cat in the water with fucking a brick on him. So I was just losing my fucking mind.

So it's so many things I had to get over, you know, and I found humor. I found humor in my suffering. I was like, motherfucker, what are you doing out here, Goggins? Like, this is crazy. Like, you're literally trying to reinvent the wheel. But I was trying to reinvent my mind. I was trying to reinvent my mind. I was trying to reinvent my mind. And I used every single tactic possible to do that. I didn't want to live in this world where I was a fake human being anymore. And I was tired of blaming everybody for where I was at. My dad beat me.

This happened. I mean, my dad ran prostitutes, man. My dad literally snatched the soul out of my mom. My mom is still battling. After my mom left my dad, and this is what I'll talk about in the book. She got married three times for a total of six months. You know, and I don't go there and I'm not even gonna talk about the guy she married. So this woman was, she's beautiful. She's so smart, all this stuff, man. This guy literally stripped her soul away. And I i was a young kid watching it and i had no

soul to begin with and my and my brother he has a story that he could write eight books you know my dad just came through and just washed us all clean so to to to come out around he died about four years ago four or five years ago not for sure i didn't go to the funeral but i forgave him so i saw my dad through an eight-year-old's eyes. So so we left when I was eight And then at 22, I went back To see him through a grown man's eyes and he was the same person I remembered but I had to you can't live with hate You cannot move forward as much as that guy tried to ruin all of our lives That's where I came from. I had to figure out the origin of where I started from

So when I was going back through my life trying to fix who I am the fucked up person I was Like if your knee hurts, it's usually not your fucking knee that's hurting There's something else man. Like it could be a tight quad It could be the right leg if it's the left leg you gotta find out the origin of where all this shit began And it was him So I had to go back to where you know my my roots and the origin of all this happened and it's hard to do that did you make peace with him i made big peace with so we didn't have a peaceful conversation we you know we we left very

granimal he's a he's a he's a vicious man he was a vicious man i mean medieval motherfucker so i had become a medieval motherfucker at that time. I was 22 and I was the big boy. And so I was no longer the guy who was afraid. It was not like, hey, I want to kill you type of shit. And we were sitting at Denny's after an all night skate or whatever the hell. You know, he owned bars and skating rinks like that. And so we were sitting down and we kind of got into it and I just kind of left.

And I had to make peace with it in myself. I could not hold on to that hate because holding on to that hate was half the reason why I kept falling into the same pattern of failing. I had to start dumping off some baggage. I had to start figuring out me through him, and that's all he was there for. He was the origin. I had to figure him out, figure out why he was so evil to my mom, to me, my brother. And I had to start studying him.

Like a lot of people have situations where someone does something and we all attack that person, like on the media. If someone does something wrong, everybody now is fucking perfect. And we now judge this guy. I don't judge him. I don't judge anybody. What I do is I start studying them. Why did they do that? Not in a judging way. I don't judge anybody. What I do is I start studying them. Why did they do that? Not in a judging way. I want to learn from you. And what'd you get out of your dad?

I got that he was he grew up rough. He had he was very insecure, had a lot of kids and his insecurities just trickled over onto us. So yeah, he jacked us up real good but he never fixed himself so if you never fix yourself the next person in line is going to get the wrath and we were next in line you know his his first wife you know killed herself or whatever happened and you know got burned up in a house or something it's some craziness man there's a lot of stuff that goes on there that i didn't put in the book because i don't feel like going to court yeah but um yeah this uh it was it was lost stuff you know one of the great parts about this book is that you you detail exactly what was going through your mind in terms of like your weaknesses and how you had failed and and then you it's not just one time like you you do the thing in high school where you get your shit together and then you join the military and then you wind up getting fat again and then when you

go when you have to lose what was 106 pounds in three months yep to to to qualify for seal training yep that's insane yeah because what i realized at that time once again i failed again again. So what you're talking about is I took this ASVAB test. I didn't know how to read and write pretty much in high school. I was like a fourth-grade reading level. I took that test a few times, and I finally passed it. And when I passed it, I actually drove my car to the daggone airport and watched planes take off. Because I was like, I'm going to be on one of those planes one day going to Air Force boot camp. So I never, I always fixed the things on the surface.

So if I couldn't read and write, I learned to read and write. I would always fix these things on the surface level. And so whenever something hard would raise an ugly head, I didn't have any kind of tools to handle it. I mean, I thought I fixed this already, man. But no, I didn't go deep into the dungeon of my soul to say, okay, what is making you a quitter? What is making you a weak man? What is making you afraid?

And so that's why I kept on quitting and going back to start or not knowing how to get through hard times. And that's why i was telling people i'm not a theorist i didn't study like you know i didn't study a fucking book i literally put myself in a fire repeatedly like a sword you put a sword in a fire repeatedly and repeatedly if you keep on doing that you're gonna get a nice sword and then you keep on beating it you gotta beat the shit out of it and that's what i I am. I became that. I said, okay, we can't quit. We got to figure out why you are this pussy. Why are you this pussy, man? What is wrong with you? What's going on here? So I kept on putting the sword back in the daggone

fire and I just beat it harder and I beat it harder. Before I knew it, I started realizing, Before I knew it, I started realizing, hmm, all right, man, the brain is starting to get hard. The brain is starting to get hard. I'm no longer a theorist. I'm now a practitioner. I put it in hell. I dissect it while it's in hell because you can't dissect anything in a normal environment. You can't dissect anything in 72-degree weather.

You must put it in the fucking freezer and freeze the fuck out of it and then you dissect it dissect it when it's miserable dissect the brain when all this thinking about i need to get out of here man i want to get out of the fucking freezer open the door and he said nah five more seconds man five more seconds in the freezer and that's when you start to pick that brain apart and that's what all this stuff did to me i kept on putting myself back into the freezer or the fire and beating the shit out of myself mentally and physically before i knew it this is what happened wow it's an interesting way to self-teach you know like most people that you know you talk to that are disciplined they you know they have something that they read that inspired them they have certain people that they look up to there's certain you know coaches that taught them there's certain important moments in their

life but for you it's a system of of failure and reflection and then rebooting. That's it. Repeated failure. And people think a lot of times about me that I'm angry. Oh my God, you sound so angry. You cuss so much. Oh my God, why you cuss so much? Why are you so crazy? If you read my book, I cannot explain my life by saying, hey, it was a merry fucking Christmas, man. No, it wasn't. I want you to go there with me.

I'm taking you there with me. I'm a storyteller. I want to take your ass down paradise. So the house I lived in in Buffalo, New York that got my ass beat every day, funny. We lived on Paradise Road and it was anything but fucking paradise. So I want you to go there with me. You want to learn from me? Let me take your ass home. Let me take you there. So that's the whole thing about it, man. We're scared to dive into our lives.

What made us who we are? The beautiful people that we are, we're all jacked up in so many ways. That's the beauty of us. That's the beauty of me. I'm jacked up. But I figured out my own the beauty of me. I'm jacked up But I figured out my own little process on how to get on jacked up and how to I'm not gonna get the same You know, I'm not gonna get the same way. You're gonna get there. You may get there by going point to point B. I Might go point C to D to eat it. I'm gonna be there the same way you are just a little harder That's how I train my brain. So it's just different. I'm a different thinker

That's how I train my brain. So it's just different. I'm a different thinker. When you stop and think about all the different times that you did have to reboot and how you found new goals and you found new inspiration and you fired up a new discipline and you became stronger and harder. One of the things that people always look for in life, they look for a point where they can rest yes i'm gonna retire you know like people love they love that expression the golden years they love that expression yes they love the they love the idea of a struggle as long as it ends and then when it ends they're gonna have a nice comfortable spot it must end the It must end. The suffering must end. Yeah. Relax, man. You've done so much.

That's right. You've really done so much. But the idea of reaching this golden year, it's a very flawed idea because it's an idea that you're going to work hard, but then you're going to reach the finish line. But there's no finish line. It doesn't exist. That's the scary thing about life, my friend. That is a scary thing, right? And that's the scary thing about life my friend that is a scary thing right and that's what fatigues me people go man why don't you ever smile there's no fucking end my friend there's no end there's no end i know that you're you're you're going to meet cam haynes after this yes sir and listen please if you guys, put a number of that miles that you're going to run and leave it at that. Do not say, let's see who quits because you will both die because that's a hard man.

He is a hard man. Cameron Haynes is a hard man. He will run until you die or he dies. He's a hard man, dude. He does those 240s. He's a sick fuck. See, those are the guys I'm looking for. Yeah, that's a scary.

The two of you guys You need to pick a number I know Whatever you get I think you guys Are going to run 35 miles Yeah Is that what you're going to do

Good Yeah 35 is a good number Yeah we've been texting Back and forth Trying to make it You know trying to make it Sensible you know

Yeah So we don't go off the chain Because if one of you Motherfuckers wakes up And has a good strong espresso I know And goes fuck it Let's do 300

It's going to be on No It's going to be a long day man no that's it yeah you you know this new race that they're doing where they're um you run for one hour you run like as many and then you have like a bell rings and then you sit down for a little bit you know what i mean like there's like a 4.17 mile thing. Yep. It's that sick fuck. What was the guy's name that created that? The guy that did the Barkley Marathon. Yes.

He's got- You're talking about Laz. Yeah, this crazy fuck. Laz. So he had people running for days and days and days. He invited me out there for this race. Yeah? I actually got into the Barkley last year, but couldn't do it because of the book.

So I'm supposed to do it this year, but now we'll see again how the schedule goes. But yeah, that's a sick, sick man. I've done a couple of his races like he has one called strolling gym i actually won that one in 2016 but he's a he's a sick man what is the strolling gym race this is probably easiest race it's like it's like through the back country of tennessee it's a 41 mile race on the road it's one of the first you first ultra marathons out there ever And my mom lives in Nashville So it was like an hour drive I went up there It was like one of my first races back

After me being all sick and jacked up for so long I got lucky, had a good race And I happened to win it You were talking about psoas muscle We have this thing now What is that called? So right I saw it in there

That little black contraction That hard plastic thing yeah it's phenomenal it's evil man yeah yeah it's good it's amazing i started getting tightness in that when i was running a lot like i'd never gotten tightness in that area before yeah it seems like that's a running thing right it's a running thing also a very stressed thing thing. If you're real stressed out, man, like for me, I can talk about the origin, like where things start. My body was so wrapped tight. I didn't know where to start. So I started with the psoas muscles. So that's a real good spot.

Well, the problem with these races is the problem with people like you. That's the problem with these races. Like if you get you and another you and they they're in there together like you motherfuckers are going to kill each other it's a long day it's a long day it's a long day it's a long day because if they're doing a last man standing type deal right yeah like the first person to quit yeah it's a real long day man i mean i've been up i got a couple of helios under my belt man i know how to stay up for 130 hours and move yeah and i know how to self-motivate a lot of motherfuckers don't know how to self-motivate man like we like to put the headphones on like before the big game and listen to the music yeah what the fuck did you do when

the headphones come off bro it's you and your own mind right i know how to do that that's that's the hard part do you ever listen to music when you run never never told you james he has that video i got i thought you might have seen it but i uh he talks about like running with music no what did you say i find it find the video we'll play it i might not be able to play it we get is it somebody else's content i actually um but i did during my last pull-up record i listened to you know that song from Rocky 1, round 14, when Rocky gets knocked down the corner. I listened to that. It's two minutes and 13 seconds long.

I listened to it on repeat for 17 hours. Merry Christmas, motherfucker. Merry Christmas. Oh, man. 17 hours, man. I went through such a dark, dark evil. I have a picture in my hand in the book. I was in a dark. I went to

a place, man, that I'm like, I can do anything here. We gotta live here for a while. Because I kept on feeling that wreck. I go, I don't want to see a pull-up bar again. I mean, like, I did 67,000 pull-ups, man. And this is my third. I was like, I can't. I don't want to see another pull-up. So I was like, I'm doing this come hell or high water, man.

So I broke it out. Let me hear this. Let me hear this. Play this. So I never trained with music. There's a reason why I don't do that. The music's not going to always be there. The TV, the distractions, all these external things.

I'm in the gym right now with all this loud music. People need it to get fired up. They need it to stay motivated. They need to stay in the fight. They need it to just go in the gym to do whatever they're going to do. What do you do when you have no external motivation? It's about the internal. What do you say to yourself? How are you going to fire yourself up? What's that flame inside of you that keeps you going? Let that keep you going, not this.

And when you're doing this, the whole time you're doing this, you're doing some of the hardest chin-ups you can do. You've got a chain around your neck for the folks that are just listening, and you're pulling down on ropes. You're doing this you're doing some of the hardest chin-ups you can do you got a chain around your neck right the post folks that are just listening and you're pulling down on ropes you're doing chin-ups on it looks like taped up ropes yes sir that's what it is yeah those are grip that's like jujitsu guys do a lot of those yes i was uh i spoke to the university of alabama and they were in there you know most you know most of these athletes man they got to get hype so that music is blaring.

I'm like, man, once that shit comes off and you get popped in your fucking mouth, your headphones are on the sidelines, brother. What's going to happen? What are you going to say to yourself then? So that's how I train my mind, man. I train my mind because I'm not going to get popped in my mouth, man. I'm going to get popped in the back of an alley one day, man, running around doing what I do

and there's going to be no music. Yeah. You better figure it out. I told you, Jamie, it's cheating. I told him in the back of the phone.

I was telling him but when I first started running people said, do you run with music? I said, no, running is cheating. When you have music on, it's cheating. You're cheating.

You listen to music but now I listen to music all the time but more than I listen to music i listen to books yeah books on tape uh audio books and yours is like i said it's been the last two weeks has been my running partner well i appreciate that man it's phenomenal man it's phenomenal and you're doing this kind of independently right yeah so what i did man is i pissed off a lot of people. I was, I, so in 2012, I got an offer for my book for $30,000. I said, you can go fuck yourself.

You know what the hell I went through, brother? So then everybody was like, you know, we don't see a market for a black guy, ultra runner, fat guy who couldn't read. Like, you know, 15% of America isica's black you know i don't see many fucking you know people buying your book they think only black people will buy your book there's some ignorant people out there man everybody that follows me is white i don't have a partner i have like three black followers man even was just left he's a big fan he's black yeah he Yeah, he's like an unusual species out there, man. And so I'm sitting there walking around going, man, you don't even know who everybody I talk to is white.

It's the ignorance of the world. And I'm in these meetings hearing this kind of stuff. So now, 2018, I get a $300,000 offer for a first-time author. So I'm sitting back. I'm like, my God, man. I used to make like fucking sixty thousand dollars a year you know this is the biggest payday yet and I started thinking I took that one second I talked about the one second decision a lot about what I went through my life

what I've done and I was like you know what I struggled so hard in my life I went through so much that the biggest trophy I own now is that book the The biggest trophy I own now is not the book itself. It's what's in the book. It's what, like, I don't give a fuck if that sells one copy. Honest to God, man. Like, like my, what I did, and that's what I hope people understand your life in the journey you put yourself through. There's no, there's, there's nothing more than that. And that's all I want people to do is realize that you have to struggle you have to struggle the bigger the struggle the bigger the peace the bigger the suffering the more peace I'm not just saying this because you hear but this book is valuable this book is very valuable it's valuable

to people like anybody that you know I mean biographies are very always valuable when you get to see the mindset of a person who's done things that you haven't done you get to understand like that they're overcoming sort of the same sort of situations in their mind that you are same insecurities and pitfalls yeah everybody's gone through it man yeah everybody that's that's one thing i say i'm i'm blessed that way that my story there's no color involved in it it's a human story about struggle and i happen to be in so many different situations that so many people can relate to about struggle that I guarantee you mark my word you read that book there will be A section of that book that resonates with you hardcore. It will make you think if if you're not ready to think

about your life and think about You know where you can be and think about what you haven't done the book's not for you if you're not ready to self to really self-reflect and hold yourself accountable for where you're at and where you're not the book is not for you it's real i've read a lot of self-help books and i've listened to a lot of self-help books on tape too and a lot of there's some of them that i have to shut off i have to shut off a quarter way and i feel like someone's lying to me.

I just like, you're bullshitting me. You're just saying things. This doesn't resonate with me. It's not working. I'll give it a chance. I'll give it a chance. But if I'm a half hour in, two hours in, it's still the same nonsense. I don't feel anything.

I'm getting itchy listening to you. I just want to pull the headphones off and i'll just kill it and i'll stop it this is the total opposite this one man i was i was i was running extra miles so i could stay with the headphones on and the the thing that i think is going to happen with this book is people are going to get it they're going to get a hold of it whether it's the audiobook or the or the book book and they're going to they're going to recommend it and then it's going to spread like wildfire this is a powerful book this is a real self-help book. This is a real one.

It's not like someone orchestrates this whole thing. What I'm going to do is I'm going to become a motivator. I'm going to be a personal influencer. I'm going to be that guy that goes out there and tells people, you can optimize your life. Here's how you do it. And there's so many of those fucking guys out there. Right. Yeah, that's not me, man. I know this one dude. I ran into him recently. I ran into him at this restaurant. He's how you do it. And there's so many of those fucking guys out there. Right. Yeah, that's not me, man.

I know this one dude. I ran into him recently. I ran into him at this restaurant. He's fat as fuck. He's got this big old belly. And I know he does these motivational things. And I'm looking at him. I'm like, what are you talking about, man? You're weak.

Look at your body. Look at your own temple. Look at your meat vehicle. You're carrying around this fucking donut around your waist. He was eating shitty food, and he looked soft. I'm like, wake up, bitch. So many people are doing that now, man. So many people are talking this noise.

Exactly. And I see them. I know them. I'm not going to say names, but I know them. I'm like, man, dude, do you know why my life is miserable right now? Because I can't go on your show right now, your podcast, if I didn't get after it this morning. So I cannot talk to people. Unless you're authentic.

Unless I'm authentic. Because I used to be the most unauthentic motherfucker on the planet. Now I have this voice in my head saying, oh, no, I'll call you up. If I lie to you about something, even a white lie. Hey, yo, Joe, guess what, dude? I fucking lied to you man Like that wasn't real It would bother me that badly now You know so

And another thing I didn't What's funny about this book stuff man I didn't set out to write a book Like literally man When I was 24 years old On a couch fat Spraying for cockroaches

Eating donuts And drinking milkshakes I did not plan on doing this All I wanted to do Was change the fucking reflection in that daggone mirror this is all this is a byproduct of of that and that's that's the funny thing about like everybody's like oh my god david goggers but you know what the hell you i'm like what the fuck that's why it works though unbelievable it works because you really did do it you really did

do all those things and you show how you did it, and you're not using any bullshit theatrical jargon. No. You're not saying a bunch of buzzwords. Can you live the life of an actualized person? I can show you how. And you're looking at this guy talking. He's got a neck like a pencil, and his body is just frail.

You don't even understand adversity. You don't understand overcoming. This is not the secret, you know? This isn't about the law of fucking attraction. Yeah, exactly. No, this ain't no attraction here, brother. This ain't no attraction here, man. Yeah, people love that.

They love nonsense. This is no nonsense, man. No nonsense. This is a real self-help book, man. This is the real deal. That's how you self-help. You self-help by people who've done it and you learn what they did and you realize there's no shortcuts right and then you learn to embrace that no shortcut mentality and enjoy enjoy the suffering and the grind of it and what we talked about earlier there's no fucking

finish line it doesn't exist you know what's funny about that is i have people now so when i was in the worst part of my life those people want to bring you back in those people's like like you can see who you hang out with like when you're in your worst and when you're trying to get better what makes it hard to get better is that you are hanging around people who like let's say you are an alcoholic you hang around people who drink and i say you want to stop drinking those people want to bring you back in. Like I used to be this guy, this guy who wasn't worth anything. Now those people who are still there, 16, 17, 18, 30 years ago, they're trying to get you back there.

So the hardest part, you got to see who you're hanging out with, man. You got to hang out with the people who you want to be like the most. Yeah, people will definitely drag you down. They'll drag you down. And especially if you're around someone that makes a lot of excuses and they're always failing. Oh.

Those are just like, they're the opposite of inspiration. They're like a vacuum. A hundred percent. They're sucking it out of you. Why are you doing that today, man? Yeah. Why are you getting up again so early?

Why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? The people you're hanging around with will suck the fucking life out of you. Yeah. Sometimes you just got to be alone, man. Get your shit in. And then there's also people that are going to be around that are always failing and always fucking up and then always coming to you to try to get you to help them.

Exactly. They become a giant burden. Yes. They can never look in the mirror and get their own shit together. It's a true story. And they're always looking for external help. That's right. Always looking for external help.

People don't want to go in deep, man. All the answers are inside of you. It's a very primitive way. Like how this book is written, it's right. Always looking for a storm. People don't want to go in deep, man. All the answers are inside of you. It's a very primitive way. Like how this book is written, it's primitive. It's very barbarian. It's how we all think. It's how man once walked the earth. And then we get all soft and all these computers and shit.

And we start going away from the most powerful thing we have is our fucking brain. It's our mind. And we don't use it anymore. So, you you know it's like everything has to be so quick yeah you use your mind when it comes to certain things right but what you're saying is you don't use your mind when it comes to enduring exactly that is it you can't google that shit right hey let me google how to suffer no that ain't gonna be in there bro answer ain't gonna be No That ain't gonna be in there, bro There's no answer That ain't gonna be in there

That ain't gonna be in there There's no answer It's not in there It doesn't exist No Find some water, real cold And what's interesting is that that is a mind thing And people think of mind things

They think of calculating, mathematics They think of literature No, no, no, no, no, no, no There's many aspects to the mind that's it don't overthink it yeah don't overthink it put your shoes on lace them up that's how you got to do my friend don't overthink the process yeah but see what because you've overcome and because you've accomplished so much now that even when you you talk about that moment of like embracing that suck like you see there's big-ass smile on your face.

You've got a total different approach to it than the average person. The average person, you talk to them about doing chin-ups for 24 hours or anything fucking crazy. They don't look at it like, oh. There's like a negative, a doom feeling. That's the thing about it, man. I talk about my book, Open-Mindedness. What separates me from a lot of people is they go into an a daunting task and the task is overwhelming like when i heard the pull-up record was 4020 pull-ups and i was talking about breaking

this record people are like oh my god i went right to a pen and paper like what are you doing i'm doing the math man what are you talking about i'm open-minded to the fact that, okay, if I do five pull-ups in a minute for so many hours, I can get so many pull-ups in. How much time do I have to rest? I was breaking the math down. You have to be open-minded to the possibilities that I can do this. Once you shut your mind down to the possibility that it can be achieved, there's no way it can happen. So that's why my eyes and my body light up about things, because I know that if you're in a fight, you have to attack. You have to keep attacking. The enemy has to know he is not going to give up. You must break the soul of whatever the fuck is in front of you. That's what I realized. I was never breaking the

soul of anything in front of me. So that's why I came up with a thing called taking souls in my book. I started to devise ways to break a soul of a human being, of an object, of whatever's in front of me. If you keep on attacking something, nothing wants to stand in front of anything that is relentless. Nothing. The taking soul part of the book is really interesting. Because you talked about the mind shift that you had when you were in buds yes sir yeah that was that's an intense part of the book it is uh that's when a lot of stuff started clicking man i started watching those instructors on the side because you know

there's there's three shifts there's eight instructors three shifts because you know the guy's going through through hell week they're up all day and all night for 130 hours This is the promised land Of mental hardening for me I love this place And you have the instructors They've been there, done that Now they're instructing you So they do their 8 hour shift

They have their parkas on, it's usually cold, coffee, drinking their coffee And they're beating the crap out of us And when I started realizing I started playing mind games I was like, you know what? I bet these fuckers are looking at us, judging themselves about when they were going through Hill Week. About, let me see, I'm looking at Goggins right now. I was better than him.

I was better than that guy. I was better than that fucker over there. And I was like, okay. Okay. You got to judge me, right? All right. So this is what I'm going to do to you. So what I started doing was I got my boat crew,

boat crew two. It's in the book. It's a great, great story. I said, come here, guys. You can't break boat crew two. You can't break boat crew two. So it's Wednesday, it's Wednesday, and everybody's broken.

Everybody's beat up, man. And like this, you start moving like a robot. Everybody's like just kind of just trying to get through hell now, and your energy's zapped. And they know Wednesday's like that over the the hump i love that you talked about that in the book too that they put it in your head oh yeah wednesday you're going to be tired oh yeah and that's another thing they they tell you how you're supposed to feel so you are feeling that way i was like uh don't let these motherfuckers tell you how you're supposed to feel no it's day

one motherfucker this is hour one so i was getting my boat crew all jacked up. I said, we're going to take these motherfuckers' souls. So when they had us doing this simple thing that guys were struggling with, boat crew two was just launching the fucking boat, and they're yelling, yeah, you can't fucking hurt us. You can't hurt boat crew two. And I looked on the instructor's faces, and it looked like someone had just fucked with their soul.

And I looked at my guys my broker and i said hey guess what those motherfuckers aren't fucking tonight we own space in their fucking head we own space they're gonna think about us tonight they're gonna think about how the fuck killing boners that's right how how on wednesday are these guys doing this and screaming out you can't hurt we were 2. We were bringing the fight. We were attacking. So when you keep on doing that, guess what people start doing? I ain't fucking with these guys no more.

So Bo Crew 2 got a lot more sleep. Bo Crew 2 just became that Bo Crew like, hey, because we just kept charging. And we started fueling off of that. We started fueling off the fact that, man, it takes one second of energy to steal everybody's. And then you have all the energy you need. That's you need you need to look at someone's eyes you know how it is when you fight somebody you broke that motherfucker he's like oh god man i don't want to go back to the next round and you feel like my god i can fight all day i can fight all day long that's what taking souls is but you have to have the the heart, the courage to go that distance when you're exactly jacked up.

You have nothing left to give and give more. That is an interesting thing about the mind is that you can find inspiration. And when you find inspiration, when you get charged up, all of a sudden you have energy. That's right. It's weird. I talk about in the book also is about i learned how to control my adrenals if you know how you know how you get that fight or flight response when you get to move real quick yeah and you know i i started learning the mind a lot how to get myself jacked extremely fast like in a horrible environment when everybody's

miserable i learned how to really find strength in the misery When everybody's suffering everybody's all poopy pants and their mentalities down and everything I started just like my god This is where I shine and I started using all that misery For tons and tons of tons of drive and motivation to then lead people further because you can get a lot of power through misery. And once people see that, my God, Goggins is fucking going, then everybody says,

Roger that. Let me get my shit and go too. So I started realizing that if you can just find strength just a little bit longer, you will have a crew of people following you along the way. And that is another thing that no one can ever teach you.

You're going to have to learn that on your own. You're going to have to figure out how to pull that energy out of your mind on your own. There's no book you can read that all of a sudden, I have it. I've got the technique now. I know how to do it. No, it's a grind that you have to start and finish on your own you have to take great pleasure in the fact that no one wants to be where the fuck you're at

right now great pleasure in that almost makes you know it has to bring a passion out of you has to bring something very very weird out of you man like you know people don't really understand what that is when you're in the worst environment possible the worst situation possible and everybody's looking like god man i hope this ends and you see that time slows down you see that you're you're feeling that everybody has that look on their face like god this gotta go i don't want to be anymore have you ever gotten rhabdo rhabdo mylosis oh yes sir did you get it yes sir yes sir when did you get? I got it on my second pull-up record attempt. And I talk about it a little bit in the book there. And I have sickle cell trait. And a young kid just died from rhabdo.

Because sickle cell is not a good thing, obviously. And rhabdo is a bad thing for having sickle cell. You have sickle cell trait, but you don't have the disease. I don't have the disease. A buddy of mine died from it when I was a kid. Really? Yeah. A guy I used to fight with, used to train with.

Yeah, he was always sick. He'd have it. He'd get sick. He's horrible. He'd be gone. He'd be out of the gym for months, and he'd come back, and he'd just be trying to get his body back in shape again. Then he'd get it again.

Then he wound up dying. He's a talented guy, too. When you got it, what did you have to do? So they put me in the hospital for a while. That's when my hand got real messed up. And my fluids were extremely low. And I had done like, I think I did 3,000 pull-ups. And they're like, man, your body is wrecked up.

Were you just not drinking water while you're doing it? I was drinking water, but not enough. So I was sipping this carbohydrate drink. And my calories were extremely low. I didn't know how much i was going to burn through and you burn through an awful lot of calories man doing that many pull-ups for that many hours yeah and with the repetition with using the single points of just my hands and my biceps my back like my body was swollen like the pillsbury dough boy i mean it looked horrible and And so, they kept me in there for a while,

but. How long? Probably about eight hours. I was in there about eight hours. On IVs and stuff like that. So,

it was basically a rehydration issue. Tons of fluid. That's a big part of it. Tons of fluid. And they sent me home, though. So,

I went home that night. And how long did you wait before you jumped back at it? I think I was back on the pull-up bar about a week and a half later. And then I broke the record six weeks later. Wow. I broke the record. Jesus Christ.

So when you did get back on the pull-up bar, how fucked up was your body? It was bad. But what I do is like what I've done through everything it which isn't real smart i mean it works for me so i'm not saying do this is i've trained through a lot of my injuries and i started developing i started doing that in buds and still training because i'm still training you know they know you gotta start from day one or they just kick you out so i started from day one enough so my third time going through i was really jacked up well you went you had pneumonia yeah i had pneumonia.

Yeah, I had pneumonia, and I had really bad stretch fractures. So my stretch fracture, so I was literally, I would put a sock on and then duct tape my foot all the way up to the top of my, or to the mid of my ankle, or to the mid of my calf. And because my stretch fractures were so bad, so like the pivot point between my ankle and my shin, I just cast that all the way up. And so I went through for several months, for a few months, with stretch fractures.

And what's crazy about that is they healed. By the time I got to third phase, my stretch fractures were healed. Wow. And I don't even know how, rhyme or reason behind it. I ran on them. A few months later, they were healed. Wow. So I don't know what that means.

So you just pushed through the agony, and eventually your body just said, this crazy fuck is not going to stop. It's a true statement. Yeah. It's weird. A lot of my injuries I've just pushed through, and I duct tape it up. Have you ever had to have surgery on any of them? No, just a couple heart surgeries, but none of my actual physical body.

And what was your heart surgery for again? You talked about this before, right? Yeah, ASD. I had a hole in my heart yeah so we talked about more ridiculous yeah that's what we talked about that too man they uh they they took me off and studied me for a while so they realized that my god i don't you know i shouldn't even be in the military i wasn't even qualified to be in the military to hold my heart you know let alone be in special operations where you're jumping on planes and stuff like that. So I was lucky. How did they seal that up?

So they went in with a Helix patch. And through my femoral artery, and they went through, put a patch, and they realized I missed like three or four years of a military career because of this heart surgery. Wow. Yeah, so I was off of jump status, dive status. So that's why I talk about recruiting so much. I stayed in recruiting for like three or four years.

And, you know, I became like a Navy SEAL recruiter when I was, you know, doing this for a while. So I got extended there because of the heart surgery. And other than that, you never had to have any other surgeries? No meniscus, no nothing like that? No, no. That's crazy. No, and I've had some jacked up injuries but see how i grew up you know like i talk about in the book my dad didn't believe in taking me by

the hospital like that's just how it was man it was it was barbarian stuff man but you know you learn to deal with it and you live it you're fine you get hard mris oh yeah get everything checked out matter of fact man i was terrified mri machine for a long time i was claustrophobic i was like man that's in the there's yeah there's a lot of there's a lot behind that man but yeah i've i've been checked out a lot i've had uh so like i said like six years ago i started stretching out like i thought i was dying i couldn't even get out of bed So all that stretching out was from pretty much all these injuries I had that I never really fixed. And my body got knotted up and more knotted up and more knotted up. I mean, it's going to heal. One way or another, it's going to heal. And when

it heals, it's not going to heal right. It's going to heal all jacked up and crooked. So I'm a crooked, jacked up dude, man, but I can still get it done. It's amazing that you haven't had knee surgeries or anything like that. Consider all the running you've done. My left knee right now is in no joke. So like I say, origin of pain. My right foot is messed up because of my left knee. So right now I'm taking care of my left knee. It's getting a lot better now.

But don't worry, Cameron Haynes. I will still be fucking out there running with your ass. I'm not going to get out of it, buddy. So if you're listening, motherfucker, I will see you this weekend. Merry Christmas. All right? Just so you know, brother. Merry Christmas.

I'll see you soon. You don't know what's wrong with the knee? You have no idea? It's from stretching. So basically. Stretching? Yeah. Because my body was in such bad alignment from just what I did to it,

that now I'm in this huge stress routine, and my body's getting back into alignment. So your muscles, like I was a power lifter, man. Like I grew these huge muscles, and now I'm this small guy, and from the stress of my body going through three hell weeks and all this stuff, my body's got became one knot. So as things start to open up, became one knot so as things start to open up joints start to hurt things start to hurt and i'm like god so it's been this big long process so i'm faster and better shaped than ever my organs work better i'm healthier than ever but i

have these little tweaks here these little tweaks there from the fact that i am now my body was locked into position from these muscles being so tight. What do you weigh now? About 182, 183. And you were at like 300 plus pounds when you got your fattest, right?

My fattest, when I weighed in for the military, I don't know what my fattest was, but when I weighed in on that scale, when Steven Salsio

hit that scale on me, man, it was 297. And he's like, brother, you got to lose 106 pounds. I was like,

fuck this. I can't, I was like, what are you talking about? I was like fuck this i can't i was like what are you talking about i was like how is that possible so anyway it just you know not a lot of time that's the crazy thing they didn't give you three months to lose that 33 pounds a month is a lot of fucking weight plus a few almost impossible and that's what i thought that's what i thought but see you see the person i am now I was 175 pounds in high school so I was a skinny guy in high school so I made myself big I'm a small boned person so isn't

it it wasn't it trust me it was hard it was hardest thing I've ever done in my life but what did people think around you when they saw you three months later you're 100 pounds lighter my mom couldn't believe it because my mom so I was living in Indianapolis, Indiana at the time. And so I was trying to study for this ASVAB test again. I got to take it again, going to the Navy. And I'm out here trying to lose weight. And I'm working for this company, spraying for cockroaches and all that sort of crap. And I would lay in her pond in fucking November in Indiana.

Just lay in her pond. I was like, I'm going to bust. I got to get hard. So I would lay in the pond, get out of the pond, just laying in a pond. I was like, I'm going to buzz. I got to get hard. You know, so I would lay in a pond, get out of the pond and go for a run. Just all wet, cold, like the daggone shirt would just freeze up from ice and shit. And I'd just be out there running. I said, what is wrong with you, man? Like you were that kid who just didn't want to, like, what's wrong with you? So she started seeing the transformation. Like, you know, this guy is obsessed with trying to become somebody next thing. She knew man

My god, you actually lost that much weight that fast I love the fact that you did it but what what hurts me is when I hear stories about people to get like stomach stapling and Surgery and all that shit that they do like you just need to just lose the weight, right? And if you just did it you just did it the right way, you would have earned it. And if you earn it, you'll keep it. That's the thing about it, man. Like we like to take these very quick fixes in life.

We want the six minute abs approach to life. Yeah. No, man. There's no permanent in that. Yeah. There's no permanent in that, man. There's no scarring. There must be scarring.

Well, people are terrified of this thing that you're saying, that there's no end, that there's no finish line, that every day is a new thing, that you have to earn it. Still, after all the shit you've done, every day you get up and you have to earn it. Yes. You know what's funny about that? I want you to be scared of it. Yeah, because it gives you fuel. It's great motivation. And see, if you look at it that way, It gives you fuel. It's great motivation. And see, if you look at it that way, the reason why I speak the way I speak, because I believe in what I'm saying. If I ever shut it down, that's the end of me.

And whatever my 100% will be, I don't know what's going to happen to me. Tomorrow, what if you can't run? I will figure what the fuck I can do and do that. That would be my new 100%. You must continue to find your new 100%. Whatever life throws at you, you must find what you can do now. I may become the best scientist of all time. Who knows? Watch out. You know what I'm saying? Watch out. Who knows? Well, that is an approach, like this approach, this mental approach. You can use that for anything once you get past

the quitting mechanism of your mind. That's right. Once you get past that thing, that this is applicable. You can take these lessons that you learn from these grueling runs, from this losing 106 pounds in three months, from all these different things of struggle.

You can take these lessons of struggle and you can apply them to anything. Yes. I talk about it in my book here about that race I did that made SEAL training look like a child's play in ranger school. That first 100-miler I did where I shit on myself and all kind of stuff, that 19 hours it took me with no training, I sum it up like this. You're talking about struggle, how you can put so much of life into struggle. In that 19 hours, I lived five years, five years of struggle, of happiness, of depression, success, failure in 19 hours. That's what's great about some of these things I do.

You get a wide range of life in just 19 hours. You know, like when you get to like mile 50 and your mind's saying, we got to get out of here, man. And then you get to like mile 60, okay, we're feeling good. You have all these highs and lows that you have to manage within this suck fest of 19 hours. And that's what I get from a lot of these different things, that human growth, you know, growth of the mind. Without friction, there is no growth.

Without friction, there's no growth. There's mind without friction there is no growth without friction there's no growth there's no growth and there's no satisfaction like there's no really like people want to sit around and rest but you don't really appreciate rest unless you earned it that's it and people get they think i'm the craziest person on the planet you are so far fucking removed from that statement's not even funny i was 290 pounds twice in my life i do not like to do the things i do but there's humongous satisfaction from doing it there's humongous satisfaction from lacing your shoes up saying i don't really want to go for a run today and then running and then getting back and saying wow i did it i did it yeah and that's what it's about it's about these small steps to doing things you don't want to do you know jaco jaco willing i

know him yeah jaco's don't know him great but i know him i i know him pretty well he's awesome but every morning you look at that motherfucker's instagram he's got a picture of his watch at 4 30 he gets up at 4 30 every morning and he earns his sunrise. That's good stuff, man. He works out like a motherfucker and then earns a sunrise. That's good stuff. But it's that thing. There's no end. No.

It doesn't end. And it's scary. That is scary for people. Everybody wants that holding hands while the sun sets and retirement and you're walking off into the sunset. The biggest question I get is, so when do you rest? When do you recover? Yeah.

And I don't want to scare people, but the truth answer is I don't take any days off. No days? No days. Seven days a week? Seven days a week. What is a normal day? Normal day for me, a normal day. So let's say a light day.

Light day. Light day is at least a seven-mile run. I will every other day, so about four days a week, calisthenics plus gym workout. So I don't do any gym workout without hitting pull-ups, push-ups. I call it nickels and dimes. So like five pull-ups, ten push-ups, or I'll go quarters and whatever. It's like 25 pull-ups and

50 push-ups. So I have all these different things I mess up. So I will do weights with calisthenics and every single night I stretch. For at least every night I stretch for at least two hours. Two hours? Every night. Every night. So you stretch after you're done working hours. Two hours? Every night.

Every night. So you stretch after you're done working out? Yeah, so at nighttime usually I'll be either in a quiet room or I'll be watching TV. I love sports. I'll be watching the game and I'm on the floor, man, and that's what I do. So you just stretch while you're doing stuff? I stretch while I do stuff. Two hours is a long-ass time to stretch.

Is this just because you're trying to correct all the years of not doing that? No, years of this. Do you ever fuck with yoga? A lot. Yeah? Yoga is the shit. What do you do, hot yoga? I have my own yoga. So I kind of invent my own little yoga for what my body needs.

I've done hot yoga several times. Yoga is huge. Yoga is huge. Like holding those positions. And I'm big in holding them for a long period of time. So that's where my stretch is. People say, no, hold stretches for a long time. I hold them for a long period of time.

I'm trying to get full range of motion. A lot of people go in for like my shoulders all messed up. I get surgery on it. Nah. If you don't have full range of motion in your body, don't go in and get cut on, man, until you know that your body is actually opened up you know we start to get knuckle dragger syndrome from doing these push-ups you never work your back you know like uh like i'm like i'm your rear delts so here you are you start hunching over

before you know your joints are out of whack you need to get full range of motion before you know how fucked up you truly are so i'm i'm always working on full range of motion before you know how fucked up you truly are. So I'm always working on a full range of motion like a kid. They run so effortlessly. They're always in full range of motion. As you get older and tighter and sit and more stressed, your body starts to get more and more tight. Therefore, your shoulders start to get out of balance and out of joint and out of socket. Therefore, you know, it's popping. It's popping because you're fucking tight. Open it up first. Open it up. Can you touch your hands behind each other and raise them up behind you?

It's all these different ranges of motion that I got real smart on from a guy and I took it to another level. So do you work with a trainer or do you always work out by yourself? Everything I do. I've never had a trainer in my entire life. Really?

Never. Not one time. Do you read about physiology or exercise science or anything like that? Nothing. Really? Never. Not one time. Do you read about physiology or exercise science or anything like that? Nothing. Nothing? Nothing. But what about

when they learn new shit about new ways to enhance shoulder stability or new exercises? You're not interested? Nope. I don't... I don't do it for that reason.

What do you do it for? Still to this day, man. Still to this day. Still to this day, man. Still to this day. To this day, it is for me to become better mentally. How I look has just become a, like, I have thousands, thousands, hundreds of thousands of miles on this body, running, pull-ups, push-ups, swimming, whatever you want to call it. This body is what it is now.

It's from repetition. It's not from studying, you know, hey, if you hold a plank for this long, fuck all that bullshit. I don't care about it. I just do it for my mind. Right. I want to continue to harden because that's the only thing I want. That's what I want. I want to have that mind ready for life.

But you also want to increase your range of motion. Oh, yeah. Range of motion is huge. You want to make sure that you're not causing any additional injuries. Wouldn't you want to stabilize some areas that maybe you feel like you might have weaknesses and find out new techniques to do that? Have you seen me with my shirt off? No.

Yeah. It's stable as fuck. I saw you when you had your shirt off when you first came here. I walked in. Dave got here early, and by the time I got here, he was already doing chin-ups. Yeah, it's stable. It's stable. Do some pull-ups, push-ups, some stable shit.

Yeah. But, yeah, all that stuff is very important, honestly. All jokes aside, man, full range of motion, getting your shoulder rotation, all that stuff is very important. I learned a lot about that coming up. I had a lot of people I worked out with that were real smart about all this stuff. I'm a real old school meat eater, like Bill Kazmaier type of lifter. You know, I don't look like it.

Back when I was that guy in the back of the skinny guy, that's what I did. And I got off really big into human performance about the body strength fitness that's what i wanted to be i wanted to be a hybrid motherfucker a guy that could run 200 miles and then go to the gym with your meathead who doesn't even who's scared of running and live with him and so that's my whole thing in life i want to be the guy who can run 200 miles with the skinny guys and then go to the gym with the big meatheads and say okay load it up let's go so that's my whole thing that's a very difficult thing to to tie the two of them together when you think most people when you think ultra marathon runners or people that run long distances they're

very thin right very thin guys like when you were talking about the first time you ran 100 miles that you did deadlifts the night before. Like that is just fucking preposterous. Nobody does that. No, yeah, so me and the guy I talk about in the book, it's Silverback Gorilla is what I call him in the book. That's not his real name, obviously. But, yeah, he saw me going to my car the night before my first 100-mile race, and, you know, it was like he called me out.

He said, hey, Goggins, come here. You know, when a Navy SEAL calls you out, a guy that puts you through three hell weeks, you're like, you know what? Fuck, I got to go to the gym and lift heavy now. So we're doing squats, deadlifts, power cleans, heavy bench presses. And I'm thinking, I have to run 100 miles tomorrow.

But I also knew he was coming out there to watch me. So I was like, you know what? You put me through three hell weeks. You were my instructor. So now it's my turn to educate you know what you put me through three whole weeks you were my instructor so now it's my turn to educate you on what a human can do because i know you could be sitting there thinking while you're watching me with your wife and your kid and you just worked out with me the night before we went real heavy did the heaviest shit we're sore you're you're gonna sit there while you watch me running around this one mile track how the fuck is he doing that shit right now we lifted heavy as hell and he's running 100 miles and never has run past 20 miles

in his life i use that for a lot of fuel so that gym workout mr silverback gorilla there was a lot for my mentality that that brought with me i knew i would see you and he came at mile 50 with a package of six donuts that I chomped up with the quickness. So, yeah. So I used that workout for a lot of motivation. I knew he'd see me. I knew he'd be thinking about me.

How did you not get rabid over that day? You know what? I don't know what I got that day, but I talk about it in the book again. When I went home that night or that morning That was single-handedly nothing even close. I'm 43 years old now There's nothing even close to that pain. I knew for a fact

I wasn't gonna get out of that tub. I knew I I knew I was done I was talking about dehydrated no nutrition I was eating rich crackers and mild plex that was the worst pain I'd ever experienced in my entire life I was pissing coca-cola out of me it was it was bad it was bad she probably did have rhabdo I guarantee it I I guarantee I was bad. Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola. No bueno. Yeah, no bueno, son. It was bad. And my ex-wife was like, fuck. And she's a nurse. Yeah.

And she called my mom up, and her friend there was a doctor friend of hers, said, hey, you got to get him to the doctor immediately. And I was like, hey, you got to give me that fucking phone. I got to call up Chris Costman, let him know I did 100 miles so i can get in the bad water it didn't go as like you know like i planned but i did get in the bad water after another race but um but didn't you do a marathon like how long later so basically i had never run a marathon right i did the 100 mile race first no training but i had signed up for the marathon because it's the first las vegas marathon running down the strip of Las Vegas So Las Vegas had you know had a marathon, but it's the first time it's gonna go down the strip 2005

Hey, I'm gonna sign up for it. I went on to Iraq did you know did deployment when I come back? I'll be training for it and I'll go do this race with my family me and my ex-wife and my mom signed up for it So in Iraq me and my boy sledge in the book, we're just working out. We're doing crazy workouts. And my cardio was 20 minutes every Sunday on the elliptical trainer. That's the only cardio I did. So I call myself training for this marathon, right?

So then, you know, my boys got killed in that incident that happened, Lone Survivor, you know, the whole Operation Red Wings. So that's what prompted me to do the 100-mile race. After the 100-mile race in November, it was like two or three weeks later, that marathon that we all signed up for that I didn't train for, I didn't train for the 100-mile race, didn't train at all for this. Like, hey, I'll drive there with you all because I tried to run the day before like I can't even run I can't run down the block so I didn't do it So we were driving to the race. I said hey mom my mom's gonna walk it. I said I'm gonna walk it with you My ex-wife I said you can go ahead and take off do your thing run your race. I'm gonna walk my mom That gun went off, and something fucking happened.

I took off. I was like, what? I took off like a jackrabbit. Gone. I was like, what the hell? So I was thinking the whole time. I was like, man, I couldn't. I just ran 100 miles like three weeks ago, like first time ever.

I was peeing blood and pissing shit on myself. I go, my body's broken. My Ach peeing blood and pissing shit on myself. I go, my body's broken. My Achilles and my tendons and my feet are broken. I go, what is this? And every time I started running further and further, I go, okay, I got to the 10K. I'm on Boston Marathon time. Because I knew the Boston Marathon was like 310.59 for my age.

I'm like, hang on a second. And then I started using all this external shit for motivation. Like, okay, who the fuck can go out here and run 100 miles, no training? I'm broken. Most broken I've been in my life. And now I'm running a marathon. Who can do it? So I started just feeding myself, feeding myself.

I get to half the mile. I'm about 30 seconds off the pace. I said, hang on, man. You're Goggins. You can do this shit, man. And I started just feeding myself, feeding myself, feeding myself. You can do this. Before I knew it, man, I kept talking to like the last six miles,

and I was off the pace, and I just kicked it. And the next thing I knew, I did like a 308 and changed. And I was like, what the fuck? What have I been leaving on the table? I've been leaving so much on the fucking table for pain. And that's when I started going crazy about the mind. What the hell am I? What is up?

It opened these different doors of possibility. What is humanly possible? What are we capable of? People, I didn't even know. I was just amazed by what I was able to do by a simple fact of just reasoning and working with pain and pain management. And my mind just kept on growing from there. And it happened in Hell Week. It happened in the 100 Mile Race. It happened here and started evolving into what it is now. To where now I'm like, God, man, the mind.

We are leaving so much on the table. People take me. He cusses so much. He sounds crazy. Don't listen to all that shit, man. Just cut off the bullshit. Cut the bullshit. Just get to the weeds of that.

You are you are fucking yourself up by not examining your brain. You're not examining your brain. Mess is it. That's done. Examine your your brain. You're not examining your brain. Mess is it. That's done. Examine your fucking brain and that takes some hard work and suffering. If you're not going to do that, I'm sorry.

And it seems like there's no way to do that as a bystander. No, you can't watch it, man. Yeah. You got to get out there and be like, oh, this hurts. This hurts real fucking bad. I don't think this is smart.

And then guess what happens the body will adjust it will adjust anybody goes well then the next question i get but is there a time when it doesn't adjust what the fuck i guess some of the stupidest shit man like don't don't take it with a grain of fucking salt people those questions Those questions are people that are wanting to quit. Yes, yes. And that's what I say. When should I quit?

Yeah, like, did you ever like feel like, no, shut the fuck up. Stop. Stop. I don't want to,

like, there's always that next question. No, don't take it like, go out there and run through a brick wall as many times as you can. No, I'm not saying be me.

Don't run 205 miles at one time i'm not saying do that i'm saying start to learn the mind is powerful it's powerful man it's unbelievable but people need they need a thing to get them going right they need a thing right they need a goal they need they need a like it's what sometimes the first step is the hardest like it's hard to take that one million step too but sometimes the first step is the most there's something about what do i do how do they start going over their phone they start calling people they don't get out of the house right it's and there's something about procrastination it's like you know it's painful oh yeah you know you should be doing things but you just It's like you know it's painful.

You know you should be doing things, but you just keep doing it. You keep itching that scab. I procrastinate like a motherfucker, man, every day. I don't want to do this shit. That's what's so funny, man. People are looking like I'm some damn superhero that came down from the gods, from the heavens up earth. No, man. I don't want to do this shit.

I'm looking at my shoes for 30 minutes sometimes thinking, man, fuck, man. People look up to you, Goggins. Fuck them. I don't want to do this shit. I'm like, I don't want to do this shit, man. But guess what? You do it. I'm going to do it.

As long as you do it. And that's what I know about it, man. But guess what? You do it. I'm going to do it. As long as you do it. And that's what I know about it, man. That's why I stopped doing it. I'm thinking, man, you're going to fucking sit here. You're going to look at your shoes for 30, 40 minutes. You're going to go. You're going to think about it all day long. You're going to do it anyway.

And sometimes you don't have the time to look at your shoes for 30 minutes. No. Those are the beautiful days. Yes. Because you know you just have to go. That's right. And so there's no room for procrastination. And that's when I was in the military, I loved my schedule. schedule because i knew how to be at work at seven o'clock so you

better get your ass up at four o'clock man you get your shit in brother because i had to get my shit in before i got my shit in right you know so that was my mentality back then man you know like i i had to get the miles and get everything in man and and get to work, man. I'm competing with the alpha males. Yeah, but how much did that piss other alpha males off that you were imposing a very high bar? I was a very misunderstood human being when I was in the military. The Air Force guys liked me a lot. The Rangers liked me a lot.

So much not the SEALs. Because they were with you they they didn't like me so much which is fine you know i i respect them i think a lot of them respect i've a lot of friends in the seal teams a lot of guys that like like-minded mentalities as me and once again man i grew up and i got over a lot of guys still have you know like they a lot of people can't get over the fact of whatever when i became a seal recruiter a lot of guys thought i wasn't deploying like a lot of people can't get over the fact of whatever. When I became a SEAL recruiter, a lot of guys thought I wasn't deploying for a lot of reasons and whatnot. And they, I heard a lot. I was that guy who grinded.

I grinded hard. I mean, I grinded hard. I was that guy who was up. Like if we went on an op or we had a workup, let's say we had a workup. We're in an island. We're out there shooting guns and doing land warfare. And we did it to like one o'clock in the fucking morning most everybody go to sleep i didn't go to sleep i went to the gym and i worked out or i go sleep and i said we'd be up at five o'clock i was up at four o'clock and got my hour

in i made sure to always do that and i I did it to a point to where I think it pissed some people off because I wasn't a quiet person about it. You know, I wasn't the most humble person always, you know. So when you're around alpha males, you're sometimes picking a fight, you know, all the time. And I look different. different I was different I am different I take a lot of pride in that And so, you know if if you didn't get after it, I didn't respect you Because I believe that you know where where i'm at I I know that human potential is what we have. It's all we have is what we the the world sees us a certain way And when I saw that people weren't doing that i had a funky ass fucking

attitude and i i own it in my book i come back from ranger school a big time leader i was a big time fucking leader i got honor man out there i led by example and when i realized a lot of times when you're in these schools these schools people want to graduate these schools because they suck they don't ever go back to these schools. Hmm Those schools became my fucking life People don't want to see a fucking guy that wants to go back to day one week one a fucking Navy So train every fucking day of your life. And that's how I live and It's a disgusting human being that I can be

It is and a lot of people didn't like me. A lot of fucking people started some stupid shit and started saying this and that. Bottom line, man, is my fucking resume says it all, man. My resume is out there. Google the motherfucker. You say whatever you want to say about me, man. I miss some diplomas, man, for having fucking two heart surgeries and people trying to start some rumor shit on me, man. You started rumor shit on me, man, because i fucking got the fuck after it and real hard guys like a guy named

hawk i talked to all the time yeah he's a great friend of mine when the hardest my first before my heart surgery my second heart surgery i went on a 10 mile ruck run before my second heart surgery the day of it i went on a 10 mile ruck run 50 pounds i saw that guy he's like what the fuck are you doing out here? You got a heart surgeon. I said, roger that, brother. I'm getting it in before I'm going to be out for about six months after the heart surgery. That was my mentality.

Because I started realizing at a young age what I was leaving on the table. And once I found out what a human being is capable of, I didn't know how to control that. I was a fucking, you want to talk about fucking savage? That's what I was. I was a fucking you want to talk about fucking savage that's what i was i was a fucking straight up people talk about savage very likely i was fucking from the back woods motherfucking savage dude you know and and i just i was just i was i told you what i thought i i had eight chips on my shoulder i um and a lot of times that wasn't great so is it a situation where like with the seals where once you've gotten through buds and once you've gotten through all the the physically grueling parts of getting to be accepted once you're in then you were imposing standards that

they didn't want to they didn't want to keep up with? I would say some people. Some people. I had one platoon that I had a problem with. You know, like I graduated at Ranger School, and I got in this platoon, and I didn't see out of it. I was in charge of a PT program, and you put me in charge of the PT program. It's fucking your ass. And the thing about it is I didn't like it either.

I didn't want to do this shit either, man. What were you making them do? Like, you know, it was some bud shit. You know, we went back to buds. Like, you know, log PT's and carrying logs over the berms and shit. And, like, I had us do, like, pull-ups, rope climbs. Pull-ups for, like, an hour. So imagine doing a rope climb and then go do, like, 10 to 15 pull-ups coming back.

And we would do, like, these. They were very hard workouts like there was no like go to the gym lift some weights type of shit and i was imposing my own mentality on everybody these are grown-ass fucking men they know you know they don't want to be what i'm trying to make them to be and when they called me off like hey you know we're not in sealed you know we're not in SEAL we're not in BUDS anymore Goggins it pissed me off and I got a little fucking attitude got my chip

and I got my ball and me and Sledge went ahead and started to work out together and we developed this like me and Sledge work out like fucking grandimals and we had this fucking mentality

of fuck yeah we're getting asses every day and everybody else kind of did their own thing, man. And I just, that's when I started looking at people, you know, not just SEALs, but people very differently, man, because I bit into, like, you know, like to be the special operator, you got to have broken legs and these guys, all those stories.

I was the same guy, man. I put people on a pedestal. I put people, like, I could never be them. I could never be that guy, man. Never put anybody on a pedestal. I put people, I can never be them. I can never be that guy, man. Never put anybody on a pedestal. That's what happened to me. I put them on a pedestal and once I got up there with them

and I saw them, and once again, not everybody. Some hard motherfuckers out there, dude. Period. Dot. Hard motherfuckers. I thought every motherfucker was hard.

It ain't. It ain't. Uncommon amongst uncommon men. That's all it was about for me man and i took it to another level and i pissed a lot of motherfuckers off and they were trying to find chinks in my armor then they were they were trying to find chinks in my armor you know all he does is run all he does is fucking run that's why you know but once again that's what i was talking about the military too much like i said the air force loved me The army guys I work with love me the ranger school all that stuff love me

You know, I wasn't you know It's just what it is man. It's uh, I was part of the navy seals I was a I was a team guy But I wasn't part of the brotherhood And that's just me man. That's just me. It ain't ain't say nothing bad about them I got a lot of love for a lot of them A lot of them a lot of men got love for just me. It ain't saying nothing bad about them. I got a lot of love for a lot of them. A lot of them. A lot of them ain't got love for me,

but I ain't going to talk bad about them. It's just I'm different, and that's the thing I figured out. I'm different from everybody in the fucking world, and I had to own that and say, you know what, man? You made a lot of fucking mistakes being who you are, and I should have been more of a leader at times,

but a lot of times, a lot of people should have been a little bit harder, too. So was it that some of those guys just didn't want to work as hard? Or was it just that they weren't appreciating how competitive you were? You were always against them? Is that what it was? That it didn't foster the sense of brotherhood? Because you were more like, come on, pussy. I didn't really call them pussiesies but you can look at my face and

how i looked at you and you know you can you can kind of say this you know so what happens i started developing this like this separation another thing about me too man i don't go out i don't party i don't hang out with the guys i don't you know so i was always forming this kind of separation i'm a big time introvert. You know, I do my job and I don't want to see your fucking ass again. I'm going to go home refreshed and we'll see you again. You know, you're in a platoon with these guys for two, two years, sometimes a year and a half. And I would, you know, we work up, do our shit.

And I just, I was just a different fucking cat. I'm a different cat, man. Like I, you know, I just, I think cat. I'm a different cat, man. I think differently. I believe differently. I believe strongly in what I believe in. Well, some people must appreciate the fact that you were self-motivated and that you were pushing the envelope, that you were pushing the pace. You were setting a high bar.

Yeah, I have a lot of guys right now within the community, a lot of guys. Once again, this is like a big soap opera sometimes man when you you know when we when you're in a fraternity like that that's what it's like man so i had to get a different vantage point look at it and see like you know a lot of guys did respect who i was and what i did and um i i brought it fucking hard a lot and every day day, but I also rub people the wrong way, I'm like that itch you're talking about, I'm like that itch, you want to scratch the fuck out my ass, you know what I'm saying, you want to be like, fuck this dude, man. I love what you talked about when you ran the marathon, you realized how much you were leaving on the table,

about when you ran the marathon you realize how much you were leaving on the table because that is um i mean i think the the unfulfilled potential is the story of most people's lives it is it is and it could have been the story of mine and i tell a lot of people people go what's your biggest fear in life and my biggest fear honestly was let's say this let's say, I don't care if you believe in god or not. I don't care So this this is play a game with me. Let's say let's say you're god And we have a big fucking long line of people and I made to heaven. I'm 75 years old. I'm 300 pounds I made to heaven. I worked for eco lab my entire life praying for cockroaches. That's what I did But i'm dead i'm in heaven now and you are at you're you're judging us all now so we're in line we're all sitting there in line you have adam brown he has a big board up

and you're talking to adam brown about his life and you rip it down i'm next in line david goggins i see my name and i see all this shit and God goes, hey, you say, read this, man. And I'm reading this list and I'm seeing 182 pounds, Navy SEAL, Ranger School, motivational speaker, changing lives. OK, man, pull up record, all this shit. And I'm like, that's not me, man. And God looks at me and says, that's who you were supposed to be and my biggest fear I I visualize some crazy shit my biggest fear is that one day I'm going to reach a judgment of my life someone something is going to judge me what the fuck I was supposed to be in life and what I want now is that whoever's judging me, whatever's judging me up there,

I want them to have a board and them up there right now getting their pin out. Because, you know, this person who judges you is supposed to know everything. Supposed to know from the time you're dead to the time you're, you know, the time you're born, the time you're dead. I want this person up there to be like this, up there writing more about me saying, fuck, I know you can do that. I know you can do that i i know you can do that so i want to impress whatever the fuck is up there whatever's going on in life i want to go up there and not have anything left on the table i want to i want to drain my soul of every fucking bit of person i am now how do you plan on doing that but going forward in the future? Do you have a plan? Yeah So what I did know I I believe in going back to scratch So a lot of us like right now I've come a long way in my life

I've had to grow up a lot except a lot of the fucking things I've done in my life I'd accept a lot. I took all this information big database took it all So what got me to be where I'm at today is data. I collect even data now, which is why I can write this book which I can tell people. Hey You know, I fucking have a lot of faults. I have a mentality that can sometimes rub people wrong all this shit So how you get better is so right now i'm way up here now. I was way down here But what makes you way up here is being from way down here So I love going back I call it so when i was growing up for like three years so from time i was eight to time i was like 12 we live in a seven dollar a month

place and what i call it is i'm always paying rent in that seven dollar a month home every day of my life i go back and revisit that place because that place made me this geranimal. That place made me this hard man. And then from that place, that place is hard work. That place is going back to the fundamentals of life, the fundamentals of what made David Goggins David Goggins, going back in there, going back to the library of David Goggins, studying even more than what I know, taking that out,

going back to where I'm at now, and then moving forward. So I believe in always taking steps backwards to your roots. We cannot forget the roots and what made us the geranimal. We can never become civilized. Isn't a geranimal the little kid's clothes? It's the little kid's clothes, but I love the word. I don't know if it's clothes or drinks. I don't know if it's clothes or drinks, man, but something like that. So when you're living like right now, like what kind of goals are you setting?

And how are you feeding that beast inside of you? How are you calming all that down? Stretching's helped a lot. You know, so when you wire yourself up so much, yoga. Yoga and stretching has really helped me to like You want to be quiet in your mind? To see where you want to go because noise Is the ultimate kryptonite?

Yeah too much noise in your mind. You're not going to be focused on what the task at hand is It's one of the things that I've found that like long cardio is the best thing ever for calming that noise Yes We all talked about that all the guys that I did that Sober October thing with, the fitness challenge, that if you work out five hours a day, you don't give a fuck. No. It's amazing. I'm like, if you could take that and put it in a pill form, how you feel about life after

you work out five hours. Yep. You don't give a fuck. Nothing bothers you. Nothing. You. Nothing. Because you've struggled.

True. My fiance right now, she's like, hey, I got X, Y, and Z. I'm like, I'll take you've struggled true my fiance right now she's like hey i got x y and z i'm like i'll take you she's like what you want to look at shoes i'll take you what i'm like i just worked out for four hours man i'll fucking sit down this motherfucking chair all day long son yeah yeah i'm chill it's different yeah i get all that shit out i ring the rag out in the morning time and whatever you want to do, I'm here, man. Most people never get there, though. No.

They always have that chatter. Always. Always negative anger. The guy who cut you off yesterday at 3 o'clock is still in your head. Yep. All day long, man. Yeah. Chatter.

All day long. Chatter. Maybe I should do this. Maybe I should have done that. I should have never let that guy get away with that. Exactly. I should have done this. I should have taken that job. Yep. I should have moved. I should never let that guy get away with that exactly i should have done this i should have taken that job yeah i should have moved i should have stuck with

her all that that was me man yeah that was a lot of people yeah why don't people like me amazing that that long cardio just calms that chatter like that yes like i i never uh until october i'd never really done long cardio every day It beats that testosterone up man Beats everything up Yeah that testosterone You're like fucking done Yeah You're cool

Yeah You're cool man It's not just that It's like it's I always talk about people's brains That I think that The way people's minds work That we're like a battery

That's like leaking out It's like since we don't use it Cause we have all this potential We don't use it Like it have all this potential we don't use it like it oozes off the top of the batter and it gets messy right it's going down the sides of the battery it's all fucked up but when you just drain that bitch like nature intended like give you the potential to run away from predators avoid invading tribes and to fight and gather and hunt and all the physical potential that your body is capable of when you do drain it with like a 10 mile run or long cardio session

long workout session then you can just be you it's the great purge man the purge it's the purge you purge all that fucking demon shit out man all. All the evil. Evil can't stay in a 10-mile run, bro. It's going to get leaked right the fuck out. It does. It gets pounded out. Pounded out. Yeah, but you can see things more clearly. And that is only available through effort.

I mean, maybe it's available through meditation. I don't know. But I feel like there's a different thing that's available through effort. Because there's also a satisfaction of accomplishment. Oh, yeah. Effort's huge, man. It means it means everything because you gotta feel good about yourself now what do you do you plan out your future i do so i'm very go so i had that accountability mirror but i also plan out all my small big time you know medium goals all these things i have to do in life

i'm a big planner i'm a big planner. I'm a big planner. So right now I'm going back to scratch, so I'm trying to be a wildland firefighter. I did that for a couple seasons. You're going to do that now? Yeah, so I did it for two, not full season, but two half seasons. So this year was my second year doing it. I had to stop about two months before it ended because of this book to start promoting the book and start finishing the book up.

But I've been doing that for two. That's some fucking work, man. Those fucking guys get after it. What made you decide to do that? The work. You know, like when your hands stop becoming really calloused, it's time to get back to work. You know, like I retired from the military. I did 21 years in the military. The military was my life.

Loved everything about it, the discipline of it. There's something about going back, and the money you make is nil. It's not about the money at all. It's just about the hard work. I've always been looking for those people. Like those guys, like you're out there digging a three mile fire line literally a three mile fire line you're cutting down these fucking huge ass trees to dig this fire line and the fire line is like 20 to 18 inches for three miles and you got like fucking 12 people digging this shit

and i'm either thinking man this is some of the hardest fucking work i've done in my life and it's that challenge that you can't find sometimes By going to the gym Or by running You know A hundred mile race It's that It's that new challenge Of like hey

And you get done digging Alright You've worked 17 hours 16, 17 hours You get your fucking little Fucking sleeping mat out Shack down Boom

Right there on the floor Right there on the ground Get up Dig some more You know You'll be out there Two, three weeks Sometimes man is doing that shit and there's great satisfaction in the kind of work that you Do out there. No one's watching. No one gives a fuck It's hard dangerous fucking work And you know, you're doing it to help shit out man, you know, how did you get drawn into that?

So I got drawn into it because I was always looking for the next challenge And I was like, okay, what is there after the military what the fuck is there man i'm 43 um i'm getting back in shape you know i'm fucking getting these health issues taken care of that i had and i started once again google is amazing shit hardcore fucking jobs you know pretty much you know hard hard ass fucking you know that's i found the horse you know like the first race you know hardest races in the world so basically i started finding this wildland firefighter like what the fuck is wildland firefight start googling that start googling smoke jumpers you know i'm like what the fuck these guys do what they jump out of planes and attack small fires like that's the shit so i'm like okay okay we could put down a list and

okay hot shots what's the hot shot dude they go out with you know big fires and they dig fire line i'm like fuck with big fun and i saw a video of it like that shit looks like it sucks it's hot you know there's you know i mean you're out there on your own i mean you know you're out there on your own man just digging fire lines so that's kind of how I found it. I'm always looking for the next challenge. I'm never satisfied with, oh, I did that. Like, you know, I became a SEAL. I was an Air Force guy. I became a SEAL. I went to ranger school. I tried out for Delta Force twice. You know, like I'm always looking for what is next, looking for those uncommon men and women uncommon people because i'm trying to i'm trying to grow i'm trying to grow and a lot of times you know you won't be the only person that's

making yourself grow you're looking for those cameron haynes's those joe rogan those people who are like just different people who understand what the fuck you're saying because a lot of things i have to say i can't say them all i can't say them all you I can't save them all. You may not understand them. So I had to really find a way to communicate with people so they don't think, oh, my God, what did you just say? So these Cameron Hayneses, these Joe Rogan, these people get it. So I go in those little nucleus spots, get a little more strength, get a little more knowledge, get a little more tools. Take those tools with me, put them in my tool shed, and I go off down the road on a new journey. So that's what I do.

Well, the proof is in the pudding if you're really doing woodland firefighting because there's no glory in that. No, sir. No, there's no fame. There's no one taking pictures of you. No, and that paycheck is small, son. I'm going to fucking make you want to should i eat today wow yeah there's there's nothing involved in that man they work their ass off so but you're

just doing it as a challenge that's it does they freak out when you're there you know what i i think they're wondering why is a 43 year old retired man you know all the stuff you've done why are you out here yeah and i explain it to them i'm out here i retired man, you know, all the stuff you've done, why are you out here? And I explain it to them, I'm out here. I'm out here, you know, to learn from you all, to grow, and also to never forget where I came from. You know, that's where it starts. It's that mentality of I'm going to pick up that fucking Pulaski

and I'm going to dig this fucking fire line for three damn miles. That's that mentality i never want to lose i never want to get so nice with oh yeah i did it man i did it i did it i'm good that mentality if i'm willing to pick up that shovel and i'm willing to dig a three mile line it's there's something about that mentality that i'm ready to go to work at any time and that's what keeps me those are the sparks like, you know, I look at Motivation is just a spark. It's like it's like kindling, you know, how how a big fire starts It starts with a little smoke. It starts a little cigarette being thrown in the woods next, you know, all california's fucking burn up

That's what i've been doing my whole life is I find these little sparks And once that little thing takes off that's a that's a one hour fuel. Then you got 10 hour fuel Then you can move that thing to a 10 000 hour fuel These big logs and big trees that burn for days and that's where you want to bring that motivation That's where you want to bring that drive So if you have no kingling the kingling is me going out with these young guys saying, alright motherfucker, you're 43. It's a 20 year old. Keep up with them. That kingling

now, when I leave those young guys, it has now become that 10 hour fuel. And now that 10,000 hour fuel that I used throughout my whole life. I used that throughout my whole life. Hey, this summer at 43 you went out there and you did that, man. So you're not giving up yet. You're done yet not today you're not done today that's

a crazy choice to make though woodland firefighter is a very interesting choice it is it is it's a nasty job man because again that's that's proof of concept like you're really just doing just for the struggle that's it have there is there other things you considered like that um so i will i applied for smoke jumping this year so i'll be out smoke jumping this year you know god willing um that's where it's at now that that right now is my next military that's my next military and that's it's always about human growth. It's not about money Not about money human growth. That's the biggest like I said my biggest trophy. That's why I turned down three hundred thousand dollars The biggest trophy in life is what i've learned like this brain If I could put this brain in somebody's head and say here you go. Merry christmas They'd be a happy person

What I what I found out is that with no crowds No one cheering for you. no races, no finish line, it's an amazing, amazing thing I've learned in my mind by no one cheering you on. Like what that is, is every morning I do what I do, I don't have a trainer waking me up. There's no one saying, David, you have to do this. I don't have to do anything anymore. I've done it. That's the beauty of all of this. Knowing that everything I talk about, no one even knows what the fuck I'm

doing every day. And I know that I am grinding like a motherfucker. They see a one minute video of me running or some bullshit. Hopefully it motivates you. Merry Christmas. Christmas dude I'm out there for fucking hours every fucking day and no one sees what the fuck I'm doing no one it's a great beautiful thing man that is a beautiful thing about it right that you really are just doing it for the benefits of it that's it that you have to do it that way it's not for show like there's a lot of people like you'll see like they have like a little video they do on Instagram like bitch you are not doing that for very long you're going too fast that's it that's it this is not real i got my one minute on yeah take now yeah yeah yeah exactly it's so much of is it for show i do enjoy those videos that you're doing on instagram though where you're

giving like these little motivational things. I put some of them up on my page. I appreciate you, man. I reposted it. Those are great, man. Are you just like, do you just get a thought in your head while you're out there running and you just want to get it down? Yeah, so what I do is my fiance does all these videos, man. So God bless you.

Sometimes it'd be 3 o'clock in the fucking morning. And I'll be working out. And I say, hey, wake the the fuck up i got some shit and she's like what like hey man it came to me man i got some shit for these people man so that's what happens like usually when i'm working out i get this great inspiration i some people might think it's bullshit but my my mind works best under extreme pain and suffering like i'm like god i want to be out here and that's when i'm going deep into the cellar of my mind and that's when all that gargoyle shit starts to come up man you know i'm saying and so she gets called out all the time like hey i'll run home and say hey get the car meet me at 17th street because by that time i have all my shit together

so that's how this happens man it's not like a rehearsed thing that's why sometimes I may post on Monday usually it's like every Monday but sometimes it's Tuesday sometimes it's Thursday you know I and that's what I do I I'm trying to now give back to people in a way that's real and authentic and just being me what has the response been like like after you did the podcast the first time what was the response like and what is the response like on social media what was crazy man is that you are my usher and i'm fucking bieber that's the fucking response man so your crowd um for some reason they they resonate with me they they understand they they they get me and they they love the

message And like So if you put some bullshit up on my site I block and delete your ass This ain't a playground Like my site I'm not fucking around with you motherfuckers I want to give you some tools that I learned If you want to take them, take them

If not, Merry Christmas I'll go on my merry way I don't care So if you go on there You want to play around You want to You know what else They call it Those people go on site Troll to play around you want to you know well they called

um those people going on troll fuck you ain't trolling my shit i'm gonna block your monkey ass off my shit quick i want so i've developed your friends jamie yeah tell them so i've developed like a small community of people who can go in there and it's not just me talking so people have now joined in and they're i've seen people lose 150 pounds on my site, man. Like in the end, they're writing about and they're starting to break themselves down. Like I broke myself down. OK, I went through this. I went through this divorce and this happened and I tried to kill myself. It gets raw. And then people are now going on and commenting on their shit, saying, hey, keep it up.

Do what you're doing. It's become like a big fucking like, hey, it's a community of people trying to fucking get better. And that's what it's about, man. This ain't about the David Goggins fucking show. No, man. I'm Mr. Kingling. You motherfuckers take this shit and let it shit burn. Also, you probably need all these other people out there grinding too for fuel. Oh, man.

You want to know. That's the thing now. Like, people go, what motivates you now? What motivates me now is that there's over 600 and some odd thousand people looking at me saying, motherfucking Goggins is somewhere out there. He's somewhere out there fucking getting after it. And I am. So you ain't never fucking alone.

I'm out there somewhere. 600 and some thousand people. There's a chance that when you're working out, I don't care if you're in fucking Washington, D.C., and I'm in Nashville, there's a good chance at the same time we're getting after it. And I want people to know that, and it's the real deal. We are getting after it together. Not no, like, happy family shit, but we're getting after it. You know?

Yeah, well, that's giant for people man that the sense of community and to know that there's like-minded folks out there they're also trying to improve they're trying to overcome their own demons get past their own bullshit squash their own weaknesses callous up their own mind i love that you know it's not time for some soft shit it's not time for soft shit man this isn't a fucking playground don't come on my instagram facebook or twitter talking some bullshit come on if you want to if you want to join the community and get hard and see what you're about don't talk about rest you know how do you do it no let's fucking stop thinking so much and let's put the shoes on and get grinding you do get some of that though there's There's some comments that say, you know, this is terrible advice.

Rest and recovery is the most important thing. Oh, my God. Block. Delete. You ain't on my shit, son. You're not going to last. Not on my site. I wouldn't hear that shit.

There's a lot of people looking for built-in excuses. They are, man. They are. They're looking for it. But then there's a lot of people also that are just really interested in personal growth they're interested in really finding out what they're made of they're interested in improving their ability to toughen up and discipline themselves and they're looking they're looking for people like you and other people just

add to that momentum right once you get going it's's easier to keep going. That's it, man. Once you get going, it's easier to keep showing up. It is. It is. You have to get past that hurdle. Yeah. And once you get past it, man, you're flying. And then you see other people that are doing it too, and you realize this is a movement.

There's a lot of other people out there. It is a movement. Yeah. It is a movement. Well, that's the thing that resonates with you, I think, about the audience of this podcast that I've had quite a few people on that have that same message. And it resonates with people because we're all trying to improve ourselves. No one's perfect.

Nope. I'm not perfect now. I never will be. You're not. And you never will be. But you're better than you were yesterday. And you're going to be better tomorrow. That's the truth thing right there, man.

And that's what that book says. I am not fucking perfect, man. I had the balls to now finally tell you all i am very flawed but in that saying that you're very flawed and saying that you're very perfect you exhibit way more strength than someone who bullshits and pretends right someone who puts up some fake ass fucking fake facade of perfection right of moral integrity and growth and honesty and those people are a real problem. It's exhausting. It's exhausting.

How the fuck do you? I did it for a while. I'm like, I can't. Hey, I'm fucked up. I give up. I quit. I quit. I quit.

I'm fucked up. I'm going to tell you all, I can't do this anymore. This is who I am. But the confidence of you of constantly grinding and constantly putting in that work is what leads you to be able to express yourself so honestly. You're right. I, for the first time, believe in David Goggins. And I don't care who else believes in me.

I don't care. For the first time in my life, man, I can tell you all my fucked up shit without lying. That's powerful. No longer care. That's powerful. See, everybody could get to that. Then you don't have any excuses because you don't need any. That's right. You don't need any That's right

You don't need any None You don't like me Merry Christmas Shit Kwanzaa Keep moving Yeah that's it

Go Yeah Good luck to you Keep moving Exactly Yeah we're all in this thing together Yeah but you got your own path That's it

You're the one who has to stare at those shoes for 30 minutes Every day Put them on bitch That's so true man that's so true so fire jumping and woodland firefighting that didn't expect that i didn't hear that coming yeah that's interesting man yep and what did you have any other options that you were looking at before you dived into those you know what those are the first that came up because i saw how hard it was you know like at 43 and these jobs like like in the military you're a dinosaur time to retire and while in firefighting

you know you started moving to these desk jobs and that was the challenge of it you know i'm like a i'm like a fucking rookie at 43 right so i'm like being talked like a little bitch so it takes a lot for me you know i'm like i'm I've done some things man Hang on now But I have to now Humble myself again Right It's hard to humble yourself You got some 21 year old

Little punk ass bitch Saying hey Pick up that shit And come on I'm like What the fuck did you say I'm like Okay God

It's like you're a rookie man So that's all the training Behind the mindset of it all Right Is that You can't ever Be the point point you never learn from people right you know you have to always humble yourself and go back to that yeah you

know like right now there's people listening this podcast like oh yeah you're great Goggins no you ain't shit Goggins and that's the mindset I always want to have not like I'm not proud of myself but you have to always keep that like I want to keep that dog in me and i can't always know everything yeah well being a beginner at something is fantastic it's amazing being learning new things is fantastic for everything else so much growth in that have you do you fuck around with martial arts you know what i learned a little bit i've never gone crazy in it i've never gone crazy i boxed a little bit where do you live i live in nashville there's a lot of jiu-jitsu in nashville you should get involved in jiu-jitsu you would take to it like a duck to water i'll find you a spot yeah i'll find you a spot you would you get obsessed

with that shit oh god is that so yeah that's a never-ending pile of fucking tangled bodies and strangled people here we go because it's something that you just get better at all the time and there's no hiding. Right. Either you get choked or you don't. Either you survive or you don't. Now, I've been in a lot of ground. I've been in a lot of ground games, man, but I've never really learned the skill sets. Yeah.

So it'd be nice to do that. I'll hook it up. Yeah, please do. I think you would get obsessed with it the same way Jocko's obsessed with it, the same way a lot of other SEALs get obsessed with martial arts. It it would be nice to do it because it's also constant competition as well i mean you can get into competition every single night of the week really and yeah absolutely and as a a guy who's just starting out you're going to be a white belt you're going to get strangled a lot you want to choke the fuck out you want to start from the beginning you're going to start from the

beginning 100 there's plenty of guys your size there's plenty of guys that have been doing it for fucking decades i know a lot of guys like to get their hands on me so i'll be good yeah oh gaggins you're coming huh okay okay but it's also a good thing to have the kind of cardio and endurance you have too yeah that's where i get people at so i've i've rolled with a lot of guys who have skills but the thing that i really have and i'm not not going to brag on it, man, is I got a fucked up cardio base, man. I got a fucked up cardio base, man, and my mentality is kind of fucked up too. So I realized that with fighting, that if you got a big cardio base and your mindset's fucked up too. Cardio is almost everything.

That's what I know. Skills are everything Because a lot of guys With skills also Have some cardio They have enough To fuck you up Right

But to have Tremendous cardio With big skills Is everything I see them out there man Dying Yeah because So many guys

Start at 100% But 3 minutes Into the fight They're at 80 Right You know 5 minutes Into the fight

They're at 60 That's right And then they recover for a minute. They come back. But if you are in like a rolling session, like when you roll, you roll for nine minutes straight. So you and this guy, and most of the time, there's multiple taps. Right. You'll tap him.

He'll tap you. You tap each other. But nine minutes, man, it is exhausting. When that bell goes off, the last, you know, the bell for 30 seconds, and you got 30 seconds left in nine minutes, and then ding, ding, it's over. You're like, fuck. You're done. And then you take a minute off, and you find a new partner.

That's good shit. Get back in there. You'd love it. It sounds like a good grind. Yeah. That's the next grind right there. You'd love it. Yeah.

Get your black belt. Hey, so long as I take that take about if i went like this hard at it it's hard to say because uh it depends entirely upon how much emphasis you put on learning new techniques and rolling and drilling drilling is gigantic and that's the thing that people don't like to do because jujitsu is so fun people like to just roll right because it's sparring is where it's at like i don't want to do all this practice i want to choke people right like i knew a few things like do that okay and i do this okay let me get in there and then you want it's like a lot of uh jujitsu schools they'll start out with like one or two techniques and then you roll most of the class is just sparring right but

the right way to do it really is to drill way more than you spar okay you should be drilling all the time and live drilling too like you start out where a guy has your back ready go and then from there you got to try to escape and do it the right thing to try to use the right technique to get out of that position or you'll start out uh with an arm bar but he's defending and you got to figure out how to extend it you know and drills, straight drills, like technique drills, and then live drills are, I think, even more important in the beginning to your personal development and growth as a jiu-jitsu player than even sparring.

But a guy like you who's smart and tough and will go crazy, shit. It shouldn't take that long. It depends on how much you dedicate yourself to it. BJ Penn got his black belt in three years. What? Yeah, but it's crazy. He's BJ Penn. They call him the prodigy for a reason.

Right, right. I had a conversation with him about it, though. It was really interesting once. He was talking to some other dude, and the guy said, I got my black belt at three years just like you did, BJ. And he's like, wow, man. He goes, you must be good. He goes, no, man.

He goes, I'm addicted, just like you. He goes, you were addicted. You're addicted. And he's like, I never thought about it that way. He goes, yeah, I'm addicted to jujitsu. It's like you're addicted. Like it takes over your mind. Right.

It's everything. Your days are spent thinking about some guy who triangled you, this motherfucker. How did he get me? shit like i get that dude i got choked out 10 years ago that i think about sometimes when i'm lifting i'll be tired and i'll think about a guy who caught me 10 years i'm like fuck yeah i just that's what's great about life man is i think about not being choked out but i think about a lot of shit like that yeah little failures that just keep you pushing they grind on me like a motherfucker man and that's what you're talking about earlier too it's like the the mind has these reserves you can trick it and pull them out yes inspirational reserves like you did when when you when you guys were going through buds yes we just found that

trigger and then all of a sudden you're throwing that boat in the air. The mind always has the tactical advantage over you. Why is that? It knows your fears. It knows your insecurities. It knows where they're hiding. You can't hide. You can't hide from that motherfucker, man. That motherfucker has a tactical advantage on you, son.

It's going to get you, man. It's a beast. That might be your best lesson, right? That your mind knows everything you cannot hide from it so don't ever try don't try you might as well go ahead and beat that motherfucker gotta keep going at it that's also what you did in this book you didn't try to like paint yourself in a glamorous or flattering way at any point in time you are honest at every step of the way which i think is just gigantic for people too because you can tell when someone's

stroking themselves or bullshitting themselves and the message just won't come through right but this you're you come through in this book you know like you who you are and what you became and how you became who you are and who you used to be and why you were the way you used to be all that comes through it's like there's no filter this is just your your thoughts like you what you remember about your life and what you think about right now just all comes out onto the pages hardest thing i've done my entire life i'm imagining i have fucking i don't know how many people buy this book then i walk up to people people walk up to me i'm like what are you thinking about motherfucker hey think about me peeing in the bed? You fucking asshole.

What are you thinking about? That's hilarious. I know, right? What are you thinking about, man? You opened it up all. Yeah. You know all about me. Hey, how about you, motherfucker?

Tell me something about you. That's what people love, right? When they know some shit about you you don't know nothing about them i don't know about nobody that's anonymous trolls that's it man and they get at me they come oh there's a lot of those but they're all doing that to themselves they don't even understand when you do that you're doing it to yourself right if you are attacking someone because you know that they have a weakness but you're pretending you don't have one you are attacking yourself you are chipping away at a weakness, but you're pretending you don't have one. You are attacking yourself.

You are chipping away at your own personal sovereignty. You're chipping away at your own respect. So true, man. You can't respect yourself. You know you're a pussy. You're talking shit. But that's what happened, though, Joe, to me. I started looking at people realizing,

I know something about you. Because they don't want to talk about it. I already know it. it yeah if you're talking shit about me yeah i know you're fucked up yeah that's why all these cats that come out right now who don't like me whatever i'm like really man that should happen 30 fucking years ago 15 years ago you still you're still fucked up about that oh man i know something about you brother see i get over everything i'm good It's water under the fucking bridge The grind

The grind does that The grind squeezes it out That's it You're not grinding hard If you're worried about something That someone did to you years ago You're being a pussy to yourself Not getting out there

And squeezing that fucking soul out every day If you grind hard I ain't got time to worry about your monkey ass I ain't got time to worry about you man Cause tomorrow I gotta go back to the grind and tomorrow i go back to the grind again and again and again and again i don't have time to put you into the hate bank there's no hate it's all filtered out man through the grind people don't get it there's there's great joy in the grind great joy to suffer it totally cleanses your body out man of any kind of hate

makes you grow up it's also the being honest about it every step of the way the way you are in this book and the way you are where you talk about things and not not trying to paint yourself in a flattering way no it it forces you to continue to perform right by exposing all the shit that you used to do by exposing your procrastination your your slips your your fallings you're falling back down and getting fat again all that stuff it forces you to be consistent like you know you did it today you know you did it today do you know you're going to be able to do it tomorrow well you have to you have to know you have to know that's right you have to know and that's my biggest fear man is that i know i can slip everybody goes man you're not permanent shit no one's permanent no one's fucking permanent that's

why people that have accomplished great things and then want to talk about those great things to the end of time and not do anything anymore no they're fucking themselves that's it those people that are looking for that golden age they're looking for that holding hands and walking off into the sunset as the credits roll. That doesn't exist. It's not tattooed, man. It's not real. I thought it was tattooed.

I'm like, fuck, I'm slipping. I'm like, what? I put all this repetition and I'm still slipping? Can't take a day off, man. Can't take a day off, man. No days? Can't take a day off. Seven days a week.

I get after. But see, the thing about, I do active recovery. Right. Okay. So what's a light active recovery day? You say seven days, seven miles is normal. An easy six mile run. That's active recovery.

And a low heart rate. I look like I'm walking. I'm out to like a fucking 9, 30, 10 minute mile. Heart rate's real low low I'm really big into The heart rate training man It's amazing So it makes you a machine It makes you a machine man

How so? What way? It trains your heart In a way that The way I was able to run These 100 mile races Like I was able to do it Was off of heart rate

So if you go at 80% For me for the longest time It was like it was off of heart rate. So if you go at 80%, for me, for the longest time, it was like 147 heart rate, 148 to 152, right around in there. If I maintain that, man, I'm burning that nice fat storage. And that body wants to utilize that. And it wants to burn that nice and slow. And you're never getting that heart rate up real high. If you can get that heart rate up real high, it takes a lot to recover from that.

And the higher it goes, the longer it takes for it to come down. When I stay at a 145, 146, 147 heart rate for a long time, when I get done running, it will go back under 100 within two or three minutes. And that's what you want. You want that quick recovery. So a quick recovery means that your body is right on point. And I look at my heart rate in the morning time it's usually in the 30s if it's like 45 46 47 i'm over trained easy day easy day means zone one zone one means i'm just going real light today so i train every

day because why as a as my mind and as a human we're supposed to move every day is supposed to move and i'm not saying get after it every day. Get after it means just do something every day. Ride a bike. Like if you're real tired from working out hard, ride an easy bike. Spin. And as you're spinning, take in your fluids. Rehydrate your body as you're acting because that's the best way to rehydrate your body.

And like taking a carbohydrate drink drink it gets all that good carbs you start to glycogen store your body again for the next day so as you're doing active stuff that blood's flowing nice active blood flow the nice active blood flow helps the recovery process along with drinking some some like uh endurance drink or some carbohydrate drink, it gets all that glycogen through the system back to the muscles, loads them back up again, ready to fight another war tomorrow. What do you use for a heart rate monitor? I used to use Polar for a long time. I kind of still use Polar now.

Is it a wrist one or a chest strap? It's a chest strap. It's a nice, cheap little chest strap. And now I'm at a point now where I know I only do my heart rate in the morning Time I don't even wear it when I run anymore. Do you check it with the strap in the morning? Oh, yeah, check your finger check with a strap So you wake up you just put the strap on before you get out of bed put the strap on your body Hmm, you don't the first thing you do put a strap on or do your finger whatever one you can do

You can have a strap do your finger know what your average heart rate is, you know, your resting heart rate. And then from there, if it's a little bit high, a little elevated, you know, you can't go off into that zone three, zone four training day. You got to keep it at zone two or zone one. So it's all about the heart rate, the resting heart rate. So when you use it, the chest strap, does it register on an application, on a phone? Like how do you read it? On the watch. On a watch. Is it a smart watch or is it a polar an application, on a phone? How do you read it? On the watch. On a watch.

Is it a smart watch or is it a polar watch? It's a polar watch. So it's a watch that shows you the heart rate that's reading off of the strap. Exactly. That's all it does. And so when you say zone ones, these are things that you've created? Zone ones onto the- No, these are like zones that whoever created this, like the heart rate zone training.

that whoever created this, like the heart rate zone training. So basically what I did and what's helped me out so much is my zone two training runs used to be 830. Okay. So that was my pace at like 145. 830 mile? Yep, 830 mile. Through stretching and getting my body opened up, my zone two run now is about a 721, 718, 719. So you kind of minted off just by opening up your range of motion.

Just by opening up my range of motion. Wow. At the same exact heart rate. So my stride, if people look at videos of me like years ago when I was first doing my first bad water, look, I was scooting. I had like, it was so tight. I looked like I was this very rigid runner. Now I actually run. You had like It was so tight I looked I was this This very rigid runner Now I actually run

You know Everything was so tight Everything was like Kind of like Forming in I was like Kind of like Like my knees

And my joints Just going inward Now Everything's right You know Where it needs to be at And I have a nice long Nice stride

Do you run on the street For the most part For the most part Because I'm always traveling So the best thing you do You get your running shoes you get your shit you just go out and run but i i try to hit the trails you know some dirt as much as possible yeah so it's really good for your body but now my body is like fucking it's like fucking like iron i mean it is it can take some beating now when you when you run have you ever ever fucked with those barefoot running shoes or minimalist? Hell no.

Hell no. Hell no? You know what? Like, look, honestly, I don't know many people who have been. I just don't believe in it. I don't believe in it. I was born with shoes, wearing shoes my whole fucking life. I'm not, you know, I'm black, but I'm not from Africa.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm not down, man. I i'm not down do you ever read the science behind it oh yeah the idea of like using all the muscles oh yeah yeah i read the science behind it i also read the science like motherfuckers have broken feet and shit i read that too but minimalist shoes on trails aren't bad yeah they're not i'm not doing it no no man i will break my oh my god man i I run in those things All the time Really

So you like them Yeah It would kill me man But I tell you what I ran in fat tires yesterday Under Armour fat tire Which is like a Cushiony ass shoe

You like it And I was like It was so easy It's like those Hocus Whatever No no Under Armour has these

Fat tires It's basically like A BMX tire track. Really? I think it's even made by a tire company, Makes the Tread. Yeah, man. It's got a mush to it. And you're running these things, man. You could run over. See, the thing about those five-finger barefoot shoes, I like running those, but you've got to look where you're stepping. You can't step on any hard rocks.

Game over. Yeah. You'll fuck up your foot. Yeah, quick's like it's going to go right into your foot there's a tiny little thin so i went from those to vivos vivo barefoot shoes that's what it looks like so when you run on those bitches that is a cushiony glorious padding like when you when you hit the ground it's like smushy Smushy Smush I had the other ones Jamie The ones with the boa It's cause it's just like

Got that little click one That you just pull Pull up Yeah like those So it's like You twist it with that That's how you tighten it up With that little boa

Adjuster thing It's like a Got a thread through it So you don't have to lace it Or anything like that You just slip them on And pop that sucker down I like to feel the ground

A little bit when I run Yeah you're barely feeling shit with those yeah you're running a cloud yeah but i like it it's gotta be good for your joints yeah my joints didn't bother me at all yesterday which is crazy like after a good solid run because most of what i'm running is hills right like pretty steep and it's great my ass and legs never been what do you weigh right now? 200 Yeah you're a thick dude man Yeah So for me The pounding Of the You know The constant pounding

Yeah The feet to the ground It is It's rough on the ankles It's rough on You know The joints But I don't feel it at all

With those fat tires It was smushy Like I I got done running I felt like I cheated I did I felt like Wow

This is so much easier The cloud shoes. Yeah, this just real cushioning. And Cam's always said that. He runs with those a lot. Oh, does he? Yeah, he's run with a bunch of those. Like, he's like, because he runs so many fucking miles.

He was running a marathon a day, like pretty much every day. I did that for a while. Bad, bad, bad. My God, I got wired in doing that shit, man. What is this right here? So this is when I ran, I ran 150 mile trail race. So the year before I did the same race. It's 150 mile trail race.

I did it in, I think around 40 hours and I had to walk the last 60 miles. I had pneumonia. Here we go. Yeah, I walked. And then I told the race director, hey, motherfucker, I'm coming back here next year, and I'm breaking the course record. I went back and did like 32 hours. Wow.

Same race. Wow. 33 hours. So when you 33 hours So when you're running What shoes do you use? Right now I'm wearing Brooks And I also wear

Asics So it just depends on You know What kind of train I'm in Where I'm at Stuff like that Like for trails When you run for trails

I actually For the longest time I wore a Street running shoe Really? For trails Yeah for the longest time How come?

Because first of all My body was so messed up The only shoe I could ever wear Was this Brooks Addiction And I hate even giving Brooks credit right now Because back in the day They wouldn't help a brother out I was running so many miles

Yeah so Brooks I'm not trying to I'm not promoting Brooks right now Yeah Merry Christmas on that one I called him up a million times Hey man Can I get like a discount or some shit?

Hang up. Nobody. Nothing. But they do have a good shoe. Just not good PR. Horrible PR, man. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, I love their shoe.

But the only shoe I could wear was that Brooks Addiction because my biomechanics was so messed up. I tried so many different shoes. And that was a so i can now wear a neutral shoe so how i used to run and very few people know this i used to have heel wedges inserts heel wedges and get compression tape because my body was pushed so far in from being so tight in my hip flexors that so how i got such bad stress fractures was my bottom mechanic so there's a picture of my toe in there because my my toes just jammed in front of my shoes because my whole body just got this like bent in so you when you're saying

bent in for people just listening you're if your hands are flat on a table you're turning the outside of your hands in up so that your thumbs are going down. Those are my, so yeah. So that's like your big toes were going down. Were going down and into the shoe. And the outside of your foot was up, was above it. Right. So what I had to do to run, because I was like, God, I got stretch fractures all the time.

And my feet were so fucked up. Sometimes you see that with people's shoes, like how they're worn out. Worn out. They're worn out on a sideways angle. Exactly. Like a wedge like a wedge right can we look at it from behind they're crazy yeah that was my shoe so i had to get a heel wedge to keep my heel from going down like i had severe tendonitis in the back of my ankle so you had to make it thicker on one side that's right just to force on the inside flat right so the inside i had to push up and I had to get compression tape. So it was compression tape, heel wedges,

and an insert. And that's how I ran every fucking day. Did you go to a running coach or anything? Hell no. But didn't you want to know what you were doing wrong? You know what, man? That was part of that Geranimal mindset, man.

I was like, fuck it, man. I'm supposed to be broken. You know? But then, I got smarter as time went. You know what, man? This is some painful shit. Running 100 mile races

with this kind of tendonitis and my feet being fucked up. It was so painful. So I was like, you know what? So then as I started stretching, I was like, my God, all this was from having a tight, I got so massive.

My God, I was in all these different contraptions. And now I just wear a normal running shoe. Wow. Yeah. So I went from being contraptioned up, man, like literally contraptioned up. So it's all just the stretching that opened up the range of motion and balanced everything out? Now, when people talk about range of motion, they don't understand how tight I was. Now, when people talk about range of motion, they don't understand how tight I was.

Like, no one understands. Like, when you repeatedly do what I was doing to myself and you were born with the stress I was born under. Like, I hate I can't paint a clear. It's pretty clear in the book. Man, my life was bad. The stress I endured on a daily. So I had two people and my body was proof of literally what my life was doing to me. It literally was knotting all my muscles up because I was always under this fight or flight. My dad had made me so fucking scared of shit.

To unwind this motherfucker, man, was like, it was a hard task. It was a hard task, man. so it did a lot of damage it's not just all the hard training no but it's also the mind the mind because think about it man when you're under stress that hip flexure that that psoas muscle which is attached to your t12 that that's the only muscle that attaches your lower body to your upper body and that's the muscle that's that's your fight or flight whenever you get nervous or scared or something like that That motherfucker was was tight enough. I mean, I mean your whole body is I lived in that like almost fetal position in my mind for so many years

So I was always under this like tight neck tension fucking guy But I walked around like i'm some cool Here's my new hairstyle pants are sagging i'm a cool dude man right but that was not a costume i the costume wore every day yeah got tired of wearing that motherfucker man next costume i want you to be in is a jujitsu gi with a white belt on i'm gonna send you a picture man i got it i know you're gonna i know you're gonna because i already planted that i got got it It's on I know it's bouncing around In your head right now

It is I'm gonna set it up Nashville I know there's some places out there Nashville Holler at me Trust me They will

I'm sure they will We'll find you a spot Love it We'll find you a spot Listen man This book is fucking fantastic I'm halfway in I can't wait to finish it

And just thank you Thank you for the inspiration Thank you for being so honest Thank you And expressing yourself I appreciate the fuck out of you Joe appreciate you brother Thanks again

Thank you Bye everybody Man thanks a lot brother That was great Thank you so much