The Joe Rogan Experience - #1227 - Mike Tyson

Episode Date: January 17, 2019

Mike Tyson is the former undisputed heavyweight boxing champion of the world. Check out his new podcast called "Hotboxin' with Mike Tyson" on Spotify.

three two one boom and we're live what's happening Joe what's up Mike Tom cigars in the house for a few minutes here to stop by to say hi I can't believe you never had a cup of coffee never you want some no that might be that might be the most outrageous thing about you is that you've never had coffee. Your whole life, you've never had coffee. No. Did you just? Tea, never coffee. No one ever offered you a cup of coffee?

No. You never went to Starbucks? Never. For tea, I had some donuts. Wow. What about like at? When you're in rehab, you always got to go to Starbucks, because the meeting's right outside at Starbucks.

You always hang out at Starbucks. Right. But never for coffee. You didn't want to try it? Never. Hmm. That is that. How about like girlfriends, wives,

like none of them ever drank coffee at home? I'm sure they have, but I never really. My wife drinks it. And you just, nothing? Never. Nothing, no, no. Well, all the stuff I did and all the drugs I did, you'd think coffee would be nothing.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like it. All the stuff I did and all the drugs I did, you'd think coffee would be nothing. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't make any sense. When did you first try any drugs? Kid. When you were a kid? Nine years old.

What kind of shit? Smoking and drinking. Right. Then as I got older, I tried acid. How old were you when you first tried acid? Probably 11. Wow. Yeah, really young. Jesus tried that probably 11. wow yeah really young jesus man wow that's really young wow but when you were the champ when you were in your prime

like when you when like when you beat trevor burbick were you doing anything back then it's drinking a lot drinking a lot really yeah that's amazing would you go clean for camp or like if it can't just for camp if it can't yeah but outside like once fights over yeah i'm an animal yeah yeah you were the first guy that i ever used as an example of uh to break that old myth that you can't have sex before fights and i was like well that's out the window for sure because you you would talk about it all the time you'd be like yeah yeah pretty much yeah your logic made sense too you're like i don't want to think about it i don't want to be thinking about sex i'll just get it out of the way yeah and it's over with do you have to do it you have you refuel for the next um six weeks and yes go with your fight do you think that was a myth that it made you weak yeah? Yeah, I think it's a myth. Yeah, it doesn't seem to make sense.

It seems odd, yeah. And then whenever there's the Olympics... That would inspire you more so than disintegrate you, I would think. They said that the Olympic, where the athletes stay, is just like fuck fest. Of course. I would think so, yeah. They have the boys and the girls in the same vicinity. Also, probably want to

alleviate some anxiety anxiety freaking out you're at the olympics you know you're 18 years old and everyone's in amazing shape stressed out yeah when you were when you were first coming up and when you were first uh you like when you were kid dynamite on sports illustrated i'll never forget that man that was a that your era from like you know the 80s the late 80s that era like it was a big part of my youth you know like you being yeah man you being the champ was like it was a change of things because when larry holmes was the champ as a boxing fan, I loved Larry Holmes. Like, there's that cover. You were 19 years old, right?

That's nuts. When Larry Holmes was the champ as a boxing fan. Wow, you still got that stuff, man? You can still get those. Yeah. Sports Illustrated. It's the internet. You can find it on the internet.

That's how Jamie got it. I had that Sports Illustrated. But when Larry Holmes Was a champ As a boxing fan I appreciated him I knew he was A great fighter

You know We'd get together With friends And watch like The Michael Spinks fight With Larry Holmes When Spinks beat him For the title

It was a big deal But it wasn't a big deal Culturally People didn't care As much But then you came around And when you came around. And when you came around,

all of a sudden, everybody's watching heavyweight boxing. Heavyweight boxing wasn't, it wasn't boring again. It was the most crazy, exciting thing in sports. When your fights would go on, it would be about,

should I pay for this? Because how long is this going to last? That had never existed. Yeah, that's pretty weird. People tell me about that all the time. They all chipped in

and turned a fighter on this old fool. I never think about it like that. Sometimes when it comes to my realization of the situation, I forget that I'm that guy.

I forget that I trained that hard and I became a fighter and stuff. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. Does it seem like a dream? Yeah, pretty much like a blur. Because I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be 19 years old, 20 years old, to be that fucking famous.

It was a trip. Who can handle that? Can anybody handle that? No, it was a trip. But it was just what custom model, you know, that was his blueprints to make me this teenage superstar. Did he give you advice on how to handle pressure and fame? Oh, the pressure and everything, but you know,

he says there's really no ingredients on how to handle fame. You know what I mean? We have to see what Department of Fame is your problem and we have to work on that issue from there. But no one knows how to conduct themselves under that kind of pressure.

No. I couldn't imagine. It's the level of fame, too. Yes. It's like there's so many. You realize there's so many levels of fame, and then Mike's is still just extraordinary, where people walk away from their job like in an airport

they're supposed to be at the cash register and they run out you know they leave their job to go say hi that's not you know most of the time you're like oh that's who that person is it's a totally different thing how weird is that that's pretty weird when i took took time for me to get used to that stuff. I used to be one of those, get the fuck away from me, man. What are you doing, you creep? You know what I mean? Because I never knew how to conduct myself. I was like, Mike, come here.

Take a picture of my mother. Take a picture of my kid. Take a picture here. Take a picture here. I love you. This and that. I'm like, whoa, dude. Cool out.

You know what I mean? But now I understand this is just what it is. It is what it is. And you're not going to be able to stop it. Yeah. I've seen you at the UFC before. You're very calm around people. When people are grabbing at you, want to take pictures, you just relax.

The UFC is awesome because everybody's nuts. Yeah, it's definitely a wild environment. What do you think Khabib's going to do now? What do I think who? Khabib? Yeah. Well, he does whatever the fuck he wants to do. That's what I think. I think that guy's

probably the best lightweight of all time. He's a monster. Incredible. I think he's probably going to have some fights at 170 pounds eventually, if I'd imagine. At 155, there's good fights for him. Tony Ferguson's a great fight for him. I'm really interested in seeing

that. I'm really interested in seeing him going up. I'm really interested in seeing that. I'm really interested in seeing him going up. I'm really interested in seeing him fight at 170 pounds. Who's up there for him to fight? Well, first of all, Tyron Woodley, who's the champ at 170, that would be an insane fight. George St. Pierre, if he decided to come back and make a big super

fight, that would be an insane fight. I think 170 has a lot of opportunities for him. But I think 155 does too they just have to figure out who's going to fight him he's an international superstar now you know khabib especially the way he smashed connor connor's such a superstar already that the way khabib won and did it so dominant i think he's i think he's through the roof now i think when people when he comes back and people see the pay-per-view numbers of his fights, they're going to realize how huge this guy is. Because he's so interesting.

He's very humble, very, very, he's very polite, very well-spoken, very religious guy. Lives with his family. Lives with his parents. Lives with his parents and his family, I believe. I hope I'm not speaking out of school. I believe that's true. And obviously, he doesn't have to for money. He's rich as shit now. But he's just

a monster. Best grappler I've ever seen inside the 155 pound division. He just smashes people. What do you think about John Jones though? In what way? His skills. He's phenomenal. Incredible. The best ever at using distance. He knows distance better than anybody. He's a master

at knowing when he can hit you and you can't hit him i miss watching him fight you know i mean he's not fighting as much anymore he's back he just won just won the title again just fought alexander gustafson yeah yeah a couple weeks ago yeah for bacon title it was daniel cormier relinquished his title and it was like it's weird right like cormier is the champ because John Jones tested positive for something, so they stripped him, and then Cormier became the champ. It's, you know, I think they'll probably fight again, whether they fight again at heavyweight or light heavyweight.

Really? Yeah, I think Cormier and John Jones. If Cormier wants to, if he wants to keep going. But he says he wants to retire soon. He's 40, you know? Yeah. He still looks good, though. He looks great, especially at heavyweight. At heavyweight, he doesn't have to retire soon. He's 40, you know? Yeah. He still looks good, though. He looks great, especially at heavyweight.

At heavyweight, he doesn't have to cut weight. He's got so much strength and just so agile. He's such an unbelievable wrestler, too. I mean, his wrestling skill, his skill level and understanding of wrestling is so high. It's so above most people. Anybody he fights outside of John Jones, he dominates. Yeah, yeah. That's how good John is.

John's that good. He's that good. I mean, it just sucks that he's had so many controversies in his life, but I'm hoping he puts all that shit behind him. Have you ever spoken with him about that? Yeah, never about his personal life. We met before and talked. But you're a guy who's gone.

I mean, when you went through legal problems yourself, you overcame, you came out of it on the other end, I think would think a guy like him could benefit a lot from talking to a guy. So it's just so difficult. And it's so unfortunate that he has to go through something like that. You know, do you think so? Yes.

It's really unfortunate, you know, cause sometimes people, um, they don't survive situations like that. Cause they're so wild and they're having a good time too much and they're partying. End of the champ. It has to come to an end.

If you don't bring it to an end, it's going to come to its own end. It might not like that way it ends. Yeah. So you think for a guy like him, maybe getting in trouble was a good thing? If only if you learn from experiences like that, you know? I think you would. I was just a wild guy. i was just a wild guy i was really a wild guy i look at myself now i say to myself when i spent all those um trips in those um psych woods

and stuff i said what was that all about what was wrong with me back then you know yeah and i must say i was really disturbed back then but you're somebody who got to the point where you got like it's really fascinating because i know you're a public figure. So I've been able to watch you my whole life. You went through all that stuff and then you got to this point where you're very self-reflective. You are able to comment on it. I don't think most, I mean, most people, regardless of whether they're famous or not, just still don't get to that point where they're able to look back and examine who they were and doing wild shit.

With ruthless honesty. Yeah. That's what's so great. You have to reflect on yourself to discover who you really are. Yeah. When you're 20 years old and all of a sudden

you're the heavyweight champion of the world just a few years ago, you were poor. And now all of a sudden you're the king of the world. That's really crazy. You know, so young, it's really crazy. You know, so young.

It's really crazy. I was unable to handle it. I wasn't expecting that. That was a real sucker punch right there. Charlie Murphy. That's a real sucker punch right there. I wasn't ready for that one. Charlie Murphy told us a story, and it's animated.

It's on YouTube now, of you and him coming over your house in a limousine. Was it a lion or a tiger? Tiger. He must have been a lion. lion or a tiger tiger see my stuff was a lion tiger dude it is one of the craziest fucking stories i always when so for people that don't know i got to hang out with you at one of my shows one time and it was a great i had the best time talking about everything what made you think you could get a tiger? Like, how did that even happen? Hey, I'm in, this is really interesting. And so I'm in prison at the time. So I'm in prison.

And I'm talking to my car dealer at the time. And he has some cars that belong to a friend of mine. They're both a friend of ours. And he's discussing if he doesn't pay for these cars, I'm going to sell these cars to someone and get some horses and stuff. I said, what, you can get horses? You trade horses in for cars? Because I had a lot of cars. I said, I'll probably get some horses, too.

He said, yeah, man, you can get cougars, lions, tigers. I know this guy got excited. I said, you do? Can you get me some tigers? He said, yeah. The guy told me. The guy said, man, imagine how cool that'd be. Because I had a bunch of fancy cars.

Imagine that, man, you'd be in an Aston Martin or a Ferrari. You'd have a tiger right next to you, man. That would be so awesome. And I'm a young guy. I'm a kid. And I'm saying to myself, wow, that would be cool, right? After a year, get me some cubs, man. And then when I came home, I had those cubs right there waiting for me.

So you raised them as cubs? Yes. Because I would see footage of you fucking smacking them around and jumping on one of your tigers. And I was like, holy shit. I had them since they were babies. They had their mothers. Their mothers since they were babies. Now, this is a crazy picture.

You in your underwear with a tiger on a chain. That is one of the... That's the champ right there. That's you at peak crazy. Yeah, insane. Tom, what was going through my mind? I don't know what made me think about my friend said, Mike, you can get some awesome animals.

And I'm like, really? Are you serious? I'm going to get some awesome. Everybody does it, though. Those are one of the things about what's his face from Narcos? Pablo Escobar. He got like a fucking zoo. Escobar had a whole crazy zoo

they all do it once you get like that rich you're like just get some animals yeah you want to fuck with some animals and they throw people in there with the lions and tigers yeah get in there you motherfucker it's a real common thing that is super rich people they start getting lions tigers and shit. Michael Jackson had all that stuff too. That's right. Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson.

Yeah, he was out there too. He was out there and had like a zoo in his backyard. That's true. But he had weird shit like weird birds.

Yeah. I don't think, maybe he had a monkey or something. He did have weird shit. Nothing dangerous. I hung up there before the Playboy Mansion.

This was at the end of his career. It was like in, what was it? 10 years ago or something? It was pretty awesome. Yeah, that guy, man. What a life he lived. You? Yeah. In his pajamas.

They're sucking his balls when he's 80 and shit. Oh, no. Deep into his 80s. Deep in his 90s. Yeah. Here's the thing. That dude lived the lifestyle he was talking about you know a lot of people talk shit

you don't really do that he was really doing it if I start living that lifestyle I'll be dark I'll start getting dark you know you can have a little oh that's just amazing

too much yeah wait one other thing I gotta cause I gotta run where you going man I gotta go I gotta go meet the wife man

oh yeah I'll do it to you they'll do it I read one time cause alright so for people that know I met Where you going, man? I got to go meet the wife, man. Oh, yeah. That'll do it to you. That'll do it. I read one time, because, all right, so for people that know, I met Mike on a flight, and it was a surreal experience. You know, like, from being a kid and thinking, like, this is Superman. That's what I thought as a kid.

It's just, you know what I mean? Yeah. Seeing those, when you see it as a kid, too, I think it's different. Like, you're just like, whoa, that is so nuts. Like, these 11-second knockouts and shit. And you too i think it's different like you're just like whoa that is so nuts like these 11 second knockouts you know what's so bizarre periodically even to this day people come up to me and talk about the experience that they saw him and he talked about meeting me is that true all the time it's special it's on it's on mostly stories is that true yeah mostly stories and it was uh it was a surreal experience. And we spoke on the plane.

And then when I thought we were done talking, I faced forward. And then he came back and tapped me on the shoulder. I was like, oh, shit. Mike's talking to me. I'm down here seat belted in. But then we land. And he was like, oh, where's your show? And I go, oh, it's here.

I give him the number. Never expect to hear. Hits me up the next day. And he's like, we, where's your show? And I go, oh, it's here. I give him the number. Never expect to hear. Hits me up the next day. And he's like, we're coming to your show. And I was like, oh, my God. And I really did say, like, I'm amazed that you're coming. And he said, it's all love. And I just said, I love you.

Because I didn't know what to say. That was good. That was cool. He was like, all right, man. And then I i have the phone and then i i remember i called the uh the pittsburgh improv manager and i go hey man i just go you're not gonna believe this but tyson's coming to the fight tonight he goes mike tyson i go no fucking tyson chicken yeah mike tyson's coming tonight he's like i'll corridor off a

whole thing and you know and i didn't know he was at the show because it the show had already started and i didn't see him arrive when we go back to the green after i the show i walk off stage and he grabs me and he goes let's go to the green room so he took me to my green room right like he was like and i was like fuck yeah and we hung out in that green room over an hour and just shooting the shit and talking and when i forgot like the time had passed i opened the door the entire staff entire staff is lined up at the door to meet him like that's the effect that he has on the group you know like they're waiting in a line for an hour outside the green room and i you know we talked about boxing about life it was it was fascinating

um one of the things i really appreciated about uh you as a fighter was like that you really knew that you were putting on a show so that that's something that i feel like i miss you know there's there's no one that put on the show the way you did like you knew that people bought tickets and and paid for the pay-per-view um and then it you know it's still like one of my great memories man it was a thrill to meet you um so i just wanted to stop by and say hi sounds like you're wrapping it up yeah he has to go i do i do oh by the way did you buy seven bentley's that were the same color no but i put around seven bentley's before damn they're rose voices i wanted to ask you did give away one when you crashed it, right?

Yeah, let me tell you a story. I was married at the time to Robin Givens. We were in some fast food joint. We were ordering food. She went in my pocket to get some money out of my pocket to pay for it. She saw

some condoms came out. She was mad, so she got in the car and then boom she crashed the car into another car that was just parked there boom and she hit somebody and she hurt their arm and then the cops came

and so the cops came and the cops were saying hey what happened here right and I was afraid they were going to arrest me or arrest us so I said well, well, nothing happened, officer. Nothing. And the guy was, and it was the guy with the broken arm. I said, you know, sir, why don't you just take the call? You know, you deserve it because you've been doing a lot.

Because I didn't want to get arrested. I didn't have a license or anything. I didn't want my wife to get in trouble. I said, why don't you just take it? You know, maybe it was around 230 at the time. So why don't you just take it? It'll be okay be okay the guy said hey don't tell me that and then once he said that I said got him I said I got him and I said

hey man take him and do this man you deserve this take it and they took it but before that the guy some guy arm was broken and he I gave him my money I said take the money and then he came back to the police my arm is better now you get away from me I'm not going to tell you to get away from me no more because he didn't want to mess this deal up with this car. Because the guy complained. Oh, that's hilarious. He's not going to get this car. That's hilarious.

So the cop said, don't fucking come near me again. That is hilarious. So the guy just backed off. And I said, hey, go ahead, man. I'll see you later. And I took off my wife. I didn't want us to get in trouble. But they made him give away the car, right?

They made him. No, he couldn't. I went back to my office. I said, give me my fucking car back. I went to the house. Really? Yeah. He got fired he did yeah yeah he's probably hearing this night i'm gonna get that bastard i wanted my indian give i wanted my car back

oh no you imagine mike Mike Tyson calls you up And says give me my fucking car And you're like shit Yeah It's outside man I gotta play God damn it Listen I gotta tell you something

I gotta tell you something You guys know I embarked On the marijuana business Yes This beautiful box That is a beautiful box By the way Tyson Ranch

That's so awesome Thank you man for accepting it My pleasure I'm honored That's a cool ass box man Yeah Tyson Ranch Is gonna be opening Beautiful box, by the way. Titan Ranch. Thank you, man, for accepting it. My pleasure. I'm honored. That's a cool-ass box, man. Yeah, Titan Ranch is going to be opening up pretty shortly. Yeah, you guys have.

I saw the plans. I mean, 2022. This is a big deal. Really? This place is gigantic. Which state? It's in California. It is here? Yeah.

Oh, cool. Yeah. They're setting up like a resort. Really? Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be the best facility in the world, man. Yeah They're setting up Like a resort Really? Yeah It's going to be The best facility

In the world man It's going to be It's going to have An acre long Lake Wow Yeah You could go

Like stay It's going to be camping Glamping Glamping Glamorous camping Glamorous camping Very glamorous Yeah

How about some tigers And shit Put some wild animals It's a possibility My partner Rob Hickman Was discussing that too Where are those tigers Well I had them for like 14 years

So I had to get rid of them You know what I mean What do you do When you want to get rid of a tiger A sanctuary Oh Alright fuck I gotta run

I love you I love you I love you I love you too buddy Look better cannabis dude There it is Yeah congrats on that man That looks dope

Awesome man I'm so excited about this stuff This is Love you bro I love so excited about this stuff. I love embarking on this cannabis stuff. Say hi to the message. This is so awesome. Yeah, you seem to be really enjoying this. Like when you're talking to your partners out there, you're having a good time with this.

Oh, man. I never thought that in a million years I'd be able to do this and legalize. Yeah. When did you start like regularly smoking weed? Since I was like 10 years old. The whole time you were did you start like regularly smoking weed? Since I was like 10 years old. The whole time when you were fighting you were regularly smoking weed?

Well, you know, when you're a kid your mother gives you liquor and marijuana for you to think that you're going to go to sleep or something. Really?

Yeah. That never happened in my house. Never? Yeah. My mother was an alcoholic. Damn. That's harsh. Liquor and marijuana

to see if you go to sleep. Yeah. It didn't work. I don't think so. I don't think so. What benefits do you get out of marijuana? What does it do for you? Hey, man, if I didn't, I'd have a bad day.

Yeah, I'm a really moody guy without it. And it just smooths me out. As soon as I take it, I'm a whole different person. I'm ready to go on top of my game. I'm boiling. Yeah, I feel the same way sometimes. It makes me nicer.

Yeah. Yeah, it calms me down. Do you, do you smoke? And I like who I am when I smoke. You know what I mean? When I weed,

I don't sometimes like who I am sometimes. That's just the real sometimes. Yeah, yeah. I don't like that guy. I want to get away from that guy. Well, you know, I was talking to Michael Irvin once. He was explaining to me that when children grow up in high-stress environments,

that their genes are wired to have a propensity towards violence. If it's normal, if it's around them all the time, when they're growing up and when they're in the womb. Yeah, I agree. When their mother's under extreme stress, if they live in a bad neighborhood. And it's hard for some people like yourself that did grow up in an environment like that to ever reach where you're at right now, just a place of peace. And if you can do that through marijuana or whatever it is, yoga, meditation, whatever you do to get there, like we should be happy that you can get there.

That's what we want. Listen, I am so grateful that I embarked on this. You know, I've never been a person to this magnitude of this kind of relaxation. I was enjoying my time with you. I was very uptight. I was very uncomfortable with myself. Did you feel any better after you worked out when you were young like that? Absolutely.

But my work's out. You know what? The best thing that ever happened to me that I retired from boxing because of me working out and me getting, I was so intense with this. My whole objective was hurting people and wanting to be the best, and my ego took over,

and I'm like Tyson, I'm the best to ever live, and all this bullshit. And dealing with my partner, Rob Hickman, I happened to embark on this, come across this thing called the Toad. dealing with my partner, Rob Hickman, I happened to embark on this, come across this thing called the Toad. Are you familiar with the Toad? Yeah, what you're talking about is five methoxydimethyltriptanate. Oh, that's it right there, yeah.

Yeah. And I came across that, and I smoked this, I don't know, this medicine, drug, whatever you want to call it. And I've never been the same. I look at life different. I look at people differently.

And the experience I can't even express, really. It's almost like dying and being reborn. Yeah, I had the exact same experience. That's what it felt like to me, too. Like you stop existing. The five methoxys, there's two. Tell me what's the deal with that. What the hell's going on here?

Five methoxys produced by your brain. But what it is, is it's DMT with an oxygen molecule attached to it. So regular DMT is NN dimethyltryptamine. And then five methoxy dimethyltryptamine is DMT with a very subtle change to the molecule. And that subtle change, for some reason, takes away the visuals. You've done regular DMT too, right? Yes. Regular DMT is rich with visuals.

Very strange, bright, colorful, impossible to describe visuals. Yes. It's inconceivable. Inconceivable is the best way to put it. Yeah, inconceivable. I try to explain it to some people, my wives. Iivable is the best way to put it. Yeah, inconceivable. I try to explain it to some people, my wife, and it's just I don't have the words to explain it. That's exactly what I always say. I've done a terrible job explaining it to everybody.

Every time I've tried, it just doesn't work. But all those things, they give you perspective. It's almost like you're dying, you're submissive, you're humble, you're vulnerable, but you're invincible still know I mean you're vulnerable but you're invincible still and all you know it's just that weird feeling but you feel like

you're part of the universe when you're separate from your ego you realize this whole thing you're a part of this whole thing and this whole thing is unstoppable

it's just it's a gigantic huge all-encompassing almost like a living thing you know Joan this is what I also realized, too, after going through that experience. You realize how insignificant you are sometimes without your ego.

Yes. You know, you realize, wow, you're not really much that you really thought you were. Yeah. You are and you aren't. Obviously, you are in everyday life. I mean, you go places, you have a dramatic effect on people. You mean a lot. You mean a lot to those people that you run into. You mean a lot to the people that you love and that love you but we all

do and when no one stand no it's all it's all relative no one no one is irreplaceable but everyone is special to someone or something and at least to themselves but we're all the same we're all part of this weird, crazy, gigantic organism. That's the human race. You know, so odd that you say that. My mentor, Customato, his objective was to think of nothing. You're nothing. Nothing's nothing but the objective, the job.

And that was his psychological warfare. You know, nothing matters. You're nothing. Nothing. The only thing that matters is the objective and getting through, accomplishing that objective by going through these methods of boxing. Do you ever stop and think about how fortunate it was you ran into that guy?

Listen, to this day, I really don't understand that. So how did this happen? Because so many people. Listen, by the time I was born, he was 66 years old by the time I was born. Yeah, crazy. So many people could, you know. Can't even explain it. It's a magnificent individual.

He was an amazing guy. An amazing part of boxing with an unprecedented grasp of the mindset required for combat sports. That was the thing that always really stood out about him. Like, he was a guy that was so, he was so well versed in the mindset. I would listen to his speeches that he would talk, when he would talk about you, when he would talk about boxing, he would talk about fear.

And about fear can be like a fire, can cook your food, or it can burn your house down. And you have to control it. And when he would describe it, like it would be so enlightening. He was such a man of wisdom, that when he would describe things, they would sink in. Somebody could say the same thing, but with him, he had so much life experience.

He wore so many hats. He was a psychiatrist. He was a doctor. He was a father. He was a mother. He was just all around that individual. Yeah, and with an amazing knowledge of boxing. And for a guy like you, it was almost like it was ordained.

That's what I always said. It was meant for me to meet this guy. Because I had no way in a million years. Everybody would say, no way you're going to be champion. You're too small. Yeah. You're too short. No way.

These guys are too big for you. He'd always say, this is the greatest fighter I've ever lived. This and this. He was always saying this about me. I'm like, oh, God, this guy is just souping me up. I never thought I could achieve what he was saying. The things he was saying were just so gigantic in my eyes. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, when it all happened and it turned out that he was true and you have to absorb all this when you're 20 years old. I always say this about Justin Bieber and I don't think Justin Bieber nearly had to deal with what you had to deal with. Your experience was so much crazier because you were not just an incredibly famous guy. You were the baddest man on the planet.

So there was like an aura to you everywhere you went. People wanted to see you. You know, 50-year-old men don't give a fuck about Justin Bieber. You know, no disrespect. He's a great guy, a great singer. But it's not. He's like young girls. For young girls, that guy's unbelievably famous.

But he's been famous since he was a little kid. I'm like, when people hear about him going crazy. Amazing. When people hear about him going insane, I'm like, of course he's going insane. You have no idea what it would be like to be him and to be 17 years old and girls literally trying to break into his house to throw pussy at him. They're coming down chimneys. They're flying in on parachutes. They're doing anything they can. They just want to be around him. And you want him to break into his house to throw pussy at him. They're coming down chimneys. They're flying in on parachutes.

They're doing anything they can. They just want to be around him. And you want him to be normal? Oh, man. Poor guy. No one can handle that. What kind of music you listening to? I listen to everything, man.

I do. I listen to a lot of classic rock for whatever reason. But I've been listening to a lot of Kanye West over the last few weeks. Tell me, what is he talking about? Kanye? Yeah. Well, he's talking about a lot of crazy shit. He actually talked about DMT in one of his recent songs.

Really? You think he did that before? I think he did. Oh, man. Well, I know he's friends with Kid Cudi. Kid Cudi's been in here, and Kid Cudi's had some psychedelic experiences. Yeah. Once you go there, you don't want to do

nothing else again. Well, it puts it all in the perspective. It lets you see that as much as this thing seems to be important, this is all temporary and you're a part of forever. And it also allows you to become comfortable with death.

Yeah. Yeah. You know who said that? Larry Hagman. Remember that guy Dallas from J.R. from Dallas? J.R. from Dallas. He did an interview with death. Yeah. Yeah, you know who said that? Larry Hagman. Remember that guy Dallas? Yeah. From J.R. from Dallas. J.R. from Dallas. He did an interview with CNN once. And I Dream of Jeannie as well. Yeah, that's right.

He sprung it on him on CNN once. He was talking about how he did acid. He took a big dose of acid and he's never worried about death ever again. That it just alleviated his worry about passing on. That's wild. I felt the same way. I said, wow, it doesn't matter anymore. Yeah. that it just alleviated his worry about passing on. That's wild.

I felt the same way. I said, wow, it doesn't matter anymore. Yeah. I think DMT even more specifically because they think it might be. Yeah, why does it affect the mind that way? What causes it to affect the mind that way? They don't totally know. That it makes you visualize everything. They don't totally know.

They know that your brain makes it. They know that your brain makes it they know that your body makes it they should say they know that it's producing your liver and their lungs and there's some evidence now because they found it in rats that the pineal gland produces it which is like that's the third eye of eastern mysticism that gland actually in rats they've proven produces dmt and they think it does so in people too you know once i did i wanted to do it again and again and again and they said you shouldn't do it too. You know, once I did, I wanted to do it again and again and again. And they said, you shouldn't do it too much, Mike. But I was like, man, I got to, you know, grasp what's going on here.

Why am I feeling this? Why did this in a weird way like humbled you? I don't think you should listen to the people say you shouldn't do it too much. I think you should do it as much as you want. That's what I agree with too. Yeah. I agree. You could handle it. If you could handle being Mike Tyson, you could handle doing DMT a few times.

DMT, yeah. That's where I think I'm going. I think I'm going in that direction. Well, I mean, it's not something you should do all day, every day, but you can learn a lot from it. And it's very beneficial and very strange that it's illegal. It's illegal. Yeah, I noticed that. Even though Terrence McKenna had a joke about it,

because your body's making it, so everybody's holding. We all have it. It's illegal's making it, so everybody's holding. We all have it. It's illegal, but it's like making blood illegal. Everybody has it. Isn't it wild where they go to Sanarodism and they find these toads? Yeah. Yeah, I've never experienced it from the toad.

I've only experienced it with the way they extract it. Yeah, they grab them and they squeeze it. It busts its pimples and they bust it on a glass of marijuana. Then they take it off and they let it harden. Yeah, they let it dry in the sun. They scrape it off with a razor blade. Yes. I've only had it synthetically made in a laboratory. You used to be able to buy it online. You used to be able to buy like a fucking can of it.

Like this big. Enough to get like a whole state high. You just buy it online. It was totally legal. Incredible. Yeah, it's weird. It's bizarre that it's illegal. Well, they would say

not for human consumption. I don't know what the fuck you're doing with it if you're not using it for human consumption. But you used to be able to buy it. I've never felt anything like that before.

No, nothing like that. It makes me not want to do anything. Nothing else can supersede that. How long ago did it happen? Around two months ago. Yeah. Did you write down what happened

after it happened or did you record it? No, I wish I did. Yeah. I wish I did. Yeah, me too. Like it goes away like a dream, right?

It comes off, you know, you're so scared that, you know, it starts off like this and you're like, no, no, no, yeah! That's how I start. No, I don't want to be this. I say, hey, I want this to stop now. And the guy's like, hey, you's how I started.

No, I don't want to be this. I said, hey, I want this to stop now. And the guy was like, hey, you're on the ride. And I'm like, no, no, no, yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love you. I love you.

I love you. Yeah. You love everybody. Yeah, so spassed out. Yeah. Did you have a hard time letting go? At the beginning, I was fighting it. I was saying, stop.

I wanted to stop now. Just stop this shit now. Stopping. The guy was like, hey. I can't do it. Got to go for the ride, dude. And it was like, oh, man. It's like I'm dying.

Things are going in my face. I'm seeing the Aztec things. I'm seeing toads. I'm seeing weird animals and things. It's flying. It's like another chamber. It's boom, flashing. Boom. And you're gone. It's like another chamber. It's boom, flashing. Boom.

And you're gone. It's like a rocket. You're taken off. Boom. Yeah, it's beyond your imagination. Yeah, it's inconceivable. Can't even explain it to no one. Well, I'm hoping that they start with psilocybin because I know MAPS, they're doing some great work with that,

trying to get these things legalized, especially they're doing MDMA studies with veterans and people with PTSD and they're having great results. They're moving into psilocybin. They would love to get psilocybin legal and it's up for ballot. I think it was in Oregon. Is that where it is? I think Oregon is up for legalization this year

and it may be eventually in California as well. How are you going to go do with that? It should be legal. It doesn't kill anybody. It's not a bad thing if they regulate it, if they make it for therapeutic use and just set up centers where experts can show. But they shouldn't make it prohibitive for people to own it or even grow their own. It's not a bad idea to set up places where people can do it under a professional's care, a shaman's care, a physician's care.

That's a good idea. But making it illegal is a bad idea because it helps a lot of people. People think of it as a party drug. They think you're going to do mushrooms and freak out and go fucking run around naked. Ah, what's on mushrooms? I used to do mushrooms. I loved mushrooms. I loved mushrooms.

Well, psilocybin and DMT are very closely related chemically. All those really potent psychedelic drugs are very closely related. They all break down in some similar path inside your brain and give you that weird ego-dissolving experience. You know, that's one thing. Yeah, most of the drugs you do are most um um ego enhancing right like coke yeah you're like the baddest mother you're just gone man yeah you know you've never had coffee i've never had coke never never oh man you feel like i missed out no you didn't miss out on nothing man yeah that one i ducked when i was in high school my friend's cousin used to sell it

and he he wasted away to nothing him and his girlfriend would hang out in the attic never come out they would just sell coke and watch tv it was bad like it was like a vampire bit him he just became a once you get in that kind of vicious cycle, it's a wrap. Yeah. Yeah. So I ducked it. I ducked it early. Never did coke.

Man. When was the first time you did coke? I don't know. I was a kid. 11, 12. Shit. I got involved with drugs early in life. Wow.

That's crazy. 11, 12. Wow. That's crazy. 11, 12. Yeah. I was still living in Brownsville, Brooklyn when I first did cocaine. Wow. That's a crazy age.

I was a, listen, I would never let my children, I have a 10-year-old daughter and eight-year-olds, I would never let them live the life that I live. I would hate that.

I would always fight so hard. I never want them to be in the environment that I grew up in. Yeah, of course. Well, you know, you have the benefit of having gone through it. You know, no one else could ever understand how difficult any of your life must have been for you. It's got to be one of the harder things.

When you did that documentary, it's an amazing documentary. You're very honest. You're very honest and you're very open about all your experiences and the one thing i took away after like no one can understand you could you could hear a guy talk like this i could hear you say these things i could see the videos of your fights to see the videos your experience but to understand the life that you lived it's impossible so it's just a guess it's like a guess for someone like me from the outside it's just really interesting i used to look at i think about this young kid from brooklyn new york comes to custom auto at 13 12 you know and all something all of a sudden i have a low self-esteem

this guy gives me this big fucking ego you know i mean i live by the you know i live by the rules of that ego and i've accomplished so much. And a dominator ego. Yeah. You're set to have confidence. Oh, all about destroying people. Yeah. You could be a lawyer.

You're 200 pounds. I'm staring you down. It's just a weird environment growing up that way. You know, because we as people, we try to avoid fights. You know what I mean? Right. From my instincts, we avoid fights for all our lives. And just to be able

this is what you do like you're a ufc guy you're a fighter this is what you do for um a job a lifestyle that's pretty bizarre but you were getting positive reinforcement from thinking like that for the first time in your life absolutely yeah i never felt like that before but like taking a a big drug you're gonna lose your yes boom it felt like you're the man then everybody's telling you you're great. Yeah. You know? For the first time in your life. Never understood that.

And you know what else Custom Model used to do with me? He used to take me to a hypnotist. He was a hypnotist as well. Yeah, they used to go into the hypnotist motions. What kind of shit did they make you do? You know? How they do it. You relax, you go under, you totally focus on blackness, nothingness.

Right. You go under, and you're just being this savage, intelligent animal. You're just working. You're going to do this. You're going to be a ferocious animal. You're going to fight, put both hands to the body. You're going to use your jab. You're going to do this in a ferocious fashion.

And they seeked all that in me as I was younger. And you were like 12, 13 years old? Wow. So they're putting you under and 12, 13 years old? Yeah. Wow. So they're putting you under and just teaching you that mindset. Yeah. Whoa. Did he give you any advice on how to shut it off? No.

No. He was probably like, I don't have any time. He was probably like, I don't have any time. The kid's 13. How old was Koss at the time? He was like 71. So shit, there's no time. There's no time.

I'm not going to teach him the off switch. Just like 70 so shit there's no time there's no time I'm not gonna teach him the off switch just hit the gas that's what it was the gas we're gonna destroy these guys these guys are in our way of you know what I mean

greatness glory it's one of the hardest things that many fighters that I've watched over the years have the problem of shutting it off like turning it on

and living like that and just wanting to be a dominator but then learning how to be a father, learning how to be a friend. Man, my first lifetime with children and stuff, trying to do this stuff, man, I felt so disastrous. It was just, I had no idea what I was doing to it. I had no idea what arena I was stepping into. It was doing to. I had no idea what arena I was stepping into. It was just, it was just disastrous. I find out,

I spend most of my adult life now apologizing to my kids. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine. I'm being such a horrible father. Do you think they understand the shit that you were going through?

They understand, like, they didn't understand how to live? No, I don't understand. I just try to basically make sure that part of my life is empty now. I live a different life for my kids. Right.

My family now. Yeah. Well, that's beautiful. It's beautiful that you, like Tom was saying earlier, you have a lot of self-reflection. You've managed to look at your life and find out what has value to you, what helps you. You always have to do self-evaluation. I'm a strong believer in that. Somebody has to check you.

You have to check yourself. I agree. Yeah, well, especially a guy like you who's, you know, you've been checked. Your ego's been checked. Your life has been checked. You've had so many down moments as well as up moments. You've had the full ride of experiences. I never thought I would survive with my ego being checked in.

No idea that that wasn't what it was about. So you thought if your ego checked, you would go away. Probably nothing without my ego. Wow. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense when you're going through all that hypnosis when you're 12 and 13 years old. That's a crazy thing to do to a kid because it was super effective. I had no idea, but I wanted to do it so bad.

I wanted to succeed so bad you could tell you know i watched a video of you uh real recently you were about 16 16 17 years old and you were sparring with some big guy who was a professional heavyweight and you were uh it was what was fascinating to me about it wasn't just watching move around when you were young and still learning but it was also you were upset at yourself after it was over. You didn't think it went well. I don't remember that. You don't remember?

It was an interesting video, man. You were like, it didn't go well. I could tell it didn't go well. I was a sick perfectionist when I was a kid. That's what I was going to say. It seemed like it. Like you were obsessed. That's my whole life.

That's all I did was look at box and watch box and read about fighters. It was all about fighters. Fighters were my gods. Fighters. You know that guy? That's a fighter. It was all about fighters. Fighters were my gods. A fighter, oh, you know that guy? That's a fighter. I want to be around him, be that groupie. That's another amazing occurrence. Imagine that you also knew Jim Jacobs in that fucking fight library that guy had.

That's what I did was watch films all day. That's amazing. This is pre-VHS, right? People had VHS, but not many. Those fights weren't on VHS. No way. Remember before, if you missed't If you missed a fight You weren't gonna see it again

Right Then we had to tape them Yeah And Jim Jacobs He kept those things On like a regular old Projector type thing Yeah

8mm If you listen to the voice over On some of those old fights It's Jim Jacobs Yeah Yeah It's him doing commentary On some of the old fights

That didn't have any volume to it Now you study all these guys All day and all night. You study them. Yeah. It was through you that I learned about a lot of fighters. When you would talk about Jack Dempsey, talk about different fighters from the old days, I learned about a lot of those guys from you.

I went back and watched some of those tapes, and now it's beautiful. Now you can just get on YouTube and you can- You can see whatever you want. See everything. See all of it. But to go back and watch- That's the last time I was going back to my office and pressing this, we're going to see whatever you want. Everything. See all of it. But to go back and watch those old films. That's awesome. I'm going to go back to my office in present if we're going to see this show.

Yeah. Exactly. We're going to see this show. Exactly. I mean, I can't wait. I want you to come by to the ranch. I would love to. I'm in.

Productive. It's going to be awesome. So you said 2022? Yeah. So four years. What is it? Yeah. Four years from now?

Three years from now? It's going to be pretty awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, that's awesome. Well, the plans look amazing. How long have you guys been working towards this? Hey, listen, we had seen the property and then we purchased it. And we were just overwhelmed with it.

This is probably, I don't know, maybe a year ago. Maybe a year and a half or so. Are you going to have a gym up there? Hey, I never thought, but we will have it because we'll have the wellness center. Dude, how great would it be if you taught a boxing class every now and then? I don't know about all that stuff, though, but we're going to hang out there and work out. Just a fun boxing class, like hitting the heavy bag. Just something fun.

You don't have to get people beating each other up. Do you know how much people would pay to smoke weed and come wear out a box from you? That would be awesome. They could smoke weed with me. That would be cool. Do you smoke weed with people, just regular folks? Yeah, I smoke weed. Yeah.

I always try to get my wife to smoke with me, though. She doesn't smoke? Yeah, she smokes. Only at nighttime. She can't function during the daytime. Oh, right, right. She does things during the day. Well, I would imagine if I was a mother, it would be very hard to get high because I'd

get paranoid. You know? Yeah, that's why she doesn't do it during the day was a mother, it would be very hard to get high because I'd get paranoid. Yeah, I feel like she doesn't do it during the day. At nighttime, it's different. Smug little weed, relax. Did you ever do any fighting? I did kickboxing and Taekwondo tournaments. I was pretty good at Taekwondo. I won a bunch of state championships and won a few national tournaments.

When did you know you wanted to get physical with another human being and do this stuff? I won a bunch of state championships and won a few national tournaments. When did you know you wanted to get physical with another human being and do this stuff? Because you can't be in the right frame of mind and want to do this stuff. You've got to realize that. I was very scared. People that do this stuff are not in the right frame of mind. And dealing with fear drives you insane. To deal with that drives people insane. I was insane during my career.

Yes, madly insane from fear. Yeah. Obviously, I never went through anything like the level that you went through. But for these full contact taekwondo fights, I was always scared. But I was scared before that. I was bullied. I moved around a lot. I was a little kid.

I was never very big. And we moved from New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven, from San Francisco to Florida when I was 11, Florida to Boston when I was 14 or 13. So it's just always moving to new schools, always dealing with new kids. And I wasn't big and I didn't know how to fight. And I got picked on and I didn't like it. So I said, I want to figure out how to fight. And so I started getting into martial arts. And I just became obsessed with it.

I did it every day. I started teaching. I was teaching at Boston University. I was teaching a taekwondo course when I was 19 I was competing from the time I was 15 I just threw myself into it it's all I did every day I worked at the school I was there every day I had the keys I closed up I opened up where I in because of you because of hearing about you when you were running in the morning when you knew that everybody else was asleep that gave you an edge I'd go there in the middle of the night and open up and work

out I just wanted to just have an edge, I'd go there in the middle of the night and open up and work out. I just wanted to just have an edge. And I listened to what you said, and I said, that's a great way to have an edge. I became obsessed with it. But there was no future in it. And then what happened was, I went from taekwondo to kickboxing. And when I started kickboxing,

I started getting fucked up. Dudes were beating the shit out of me, because I was realizing, I can't keep people at the same distance anymore, because I didn't know how to use my hands properly. Like, I knew how to throw some punches a little bit from Taekwondo, but it's not nearly sophisticated as boxing or kickboxing. And so then I started kickboxing training, and then I started realizing, like, there's no future in this. Like, what am I doing? I'm just getting my brains beat in, you know, and I'm hard sparring, too.

The sparring was rough. It was Boston style, put the gloves on, beat the shit out of each other, figure it out as you go along. Yeah, you ain't going to learn shit. Figure it out as you go along. Figure it out as you go along. So a lot of headaches and, you know. But it was hard for me to shut that part of me off, the part of me that just wanted to conquer,

the part of me that just wanted to win all the time, to figure out a way to be more intense more driven more focused but when i did stop fighting it was a huge relief like the relief part was worth the the the extra anxiety that i got it was worth it just for the relief of not not thinking about fighting all the time not thinking about when's the next tournament when's the next event when's the next thing i'm doing it was just that i know that's pretty that weight well for you it had to be way crazier because not only is it the weight it's the heavyweight championship of the world i always wanted to make my mentor happy yeah that's my goal to make him happy all the time when he died

was it weird not having a person like that in your life it was so man it was just um it was emptiness it was just, it was emptiness. It was just, and then people who we thought were our friends and that we said were going to be good to, they just started, when he died, they just started going in for the kill. You just want to grasp me for means. Well, it seemed like you and Kevin Rooney had a good combination at the beginning. Yeah. When he died, when Cuss died.

Well, listen, we didn't know what we were going to do. They were thinking about getting rid of Kevin or something. I was thinking, I didn't want to be with nobody else. Right. I was comfortable with Kevin and the style and the way we were working. I didn't want to be with nobody else. I said, no, let's just keep Kevin. Yeah, and Kevin was a great trainer, too.

Yeah, for me he was. Very well-respected trainer. Yeah. It was a good relationship, like the way it worked in the beginning it looked like. But then, like all things you know kevin used to train me and then fight not fighting on his undercard oh really yeah wow wow and this was all like was he training you um before before cuss died as well well yeah how many how many years before cuss died was he like holding mitts for you just a couple

but he knew you well yes he knew the style well did he watch fights with you as well or were you watching those fights by yourself every now and then

we watched a fight once we started training with each other we started watching fights together because your style that was the other thing too your style

the way you would come out was so reminiscent of old fighters when you come out with no socks on black shoes wow that was thinking my my mind i'm thinking was all about gladiator and being tough and i would never think i look at it now so look at that silly little kid that silly kid think he's tough i don't think this guy thinks he's tough well you were tough man i know what you're saying i know what you're saying but you were when you fought marvis frazier on what what is that, ABC World of Sports?

Yeah, remember those days ABC had fights? I remember watching that fight going, holy shit. Holy shit. That was like being locked into a ring with a tornado. That was wild days. Yeah, I thought it was a tough kid. That was your peak. That was when it was peak scary.

You know, you were coming up and everybody was just terrified it was just a wild thing to watch man to be a part of it to be you yeah i wanted to make my mentor real happy though that's my main goal in fighting it's a powerful goal yeah did you ever try to go back and get hypnotized after all that's over to try to maybe calm down That part of your mind That they turned on No I never did I had to do the toe That thing helped me out The toe

Yeah that stuff None of that stuff Would help me out Yeah Did weed help you out at all Pretty much Yeah You know what I mean

But I had to do it every day I had to do it all the time Right I had to do it all the time then Yeah If I went to another country And I didn't have my weed I'd be insane

I'd say what No weed I gotta be here a couple of days A week A month Get the hell out of here Yeah to another country and I didn't have my weed, I'd be insane. I'd say, what? No weed? I got to be here a couple of days, a week, a month? Get the hell out of here. Yeah. Yeah, the rest of the world will catch up eventually.

They'll catch up eventually. It's slowly happening. We were talking about it before the show started that just a few years ago, if you smoked weed, you felt like you were a criminal. Yeah, you had to hide it

all the time, look around. You're looking around like a cop. I still like that in New York. I was in New York recently. We had to hide those and look around man you're looking around who's that a cop i still like that in new york i was in new york recently we had a hide weed that's still illegal there i'm like how is this new york city so antiquated right so stupid it just doesn't make any sense especially when like we're both high right now man the kite it's fine everything's good having a nice conversation beautiful i agree i totally agree

how many fights did jim jacobs have in that library i don't know thousands of them man i watched thousands guys fighting in 1890s watched them all wow who who were standouts for you outside of the stand like obviously jack johnson. Yeah, he was awesome, too. He was just amazing. He was ahead of his time fighting. There's also little guys like Tony Cavanaugh, Harry Armstrong, Barney Ross, guys like that. Benny Leonard.

These guys, they evolved boxing to the level where it can evolve to now. They were superstars in their time. Who was that crazy middleweight who went up to fight Jack Johnson and dropped him? Stanley Ketchum. That's right. He's a badass. That motherfucker could punch.

Yeah, he's a badass. He got killed. Yeah. By a guy's... Yeah, because he stole this guy's girlfriend. Yeah. And he was a tough guy. Like, what are you going to do about it?

Beat the guy up. He disrespected the guy. And the guy came back and shot him. Yeah. Stanley Ketchum was a real wild and crazy guy. Well, most of the greats were. Yeah, he was wild. That's a... anyone well when you

talk about like your life and like the way you were living if you go back to most of the greats like roberto duran he was a wild mother he was beautiful it was beautiful you had rhythm with it yeah there's so many of the greats were just wild wild people you know i think it's that that fear that just brings that out of you yeah but then there were some greats that were just real disciplined. Like Marvin Hagler is my best example for that. When I was a kid growing up in Boston, Hagler was the middleweight champion of the world. And I used to see, they used to have video of him running. They played it on the news.

He was running on the, there was the dunes, sand dunes in Cape Cod in the winter. Freezing cold. With a hoodie on. Running. Screaming war. War! Crazy, running, screaming, war, war! Crazy, right? Oh, it was amazing. Marvin Hagler made you want to just get out of your house and go running in the snow.

He was so disciplined. That was the thing that I always got out of watching him, wasn't that he was so wild. He was so mentally strong. He had an iron chin, and his discipline was impeccable. He was just constantly training, never out of shape, never got fat, always doing sit-ups and push-ups. He was a ferocious animal, right? So his body?

Yeah. Oh, he was chiseled. He was a machine. That fight with Tommy Hearns? Oh, man, that was beautiful. That was one of the greatest middleweight encounters of all time. Chaos. I mean, it's skillful.

We thought they were going to stop the fight. Yeah. We thought they were going to stop the fight. Yeah. I thought they were going to stop the fight. And I said, Tommy Hearns is going to be the winner. As skillful as they were, they decided to just smash. Just get into the center and fucking fight. There was no, like, Tommy Hearns should have tried to use his jab, boxing the outside. You're not going to keep Marvin Hagel off you.

You can't keep him off you. If you don't try to take him out, it's almost crazy. You can't box him like that. Sugar Ray Leonard did that, but they weren't at their prime then. I wanted to see those two guys in their prime just go at it. Yeah, Sugar Ray Leonard, especially when he fought Hagler, he fought Hagler

smart. Stay the fuck away. I heard the craziest rumor. Tell me if this is the craziest rumor. That Marvin Hagler Like decided To bet on himself For that fight Didn't

Knew that he was gonna lose Like they had it set up And then retired And went to Italy That's a ridiculous rumor right? Hey I don't know what anybody did But I never heard anything like that You never heard that one?

No But he's the more One of the most interesting end of careers ever. I heard rumors that he didn't fight the fight that he should have fought that he knew he should have fought. Right. You know what I mean? Well, the rumor was he went to Italy because the mob set everything up. Something to that effect.

He went to Italy and became a giant movie star. But he's the only guy that I can think of in recent memory that literally went out on top. Had this unbelievably close fight with Sugar Ray Leonard, who a lot of people think he could have won that fight, very close decision, and then says, that's it. See ya. I'm done. Everybody comes back. Marvin Hackman never came back.

It's hard not to come back, you know? I guess at one time, that's your whole life. I'm surprised I never came back, because that was just my whole life. That was my whole identity you know what I mean but when you did retire and when you retired in the ring

that was the most honest retirement speech I've ever heard a boxer give ever he's just like I don't have this in me anymore I just wasn't there anymore

just that was pretty bizarre for myself you know because this is what I based my life on doing when I first started doing it I said I'm going to dedicate my life to this stuff. And you get to see that it's not even, it's no longer going to happen.

It was pretty weird. When did you know that you didn't want to do it anymore? I've known years before that, but I was still being very successful. Yeah. Like when? Like what year? Like, do you remember around when you started thinking it? I remember.

Probably around, what what the 2000 area so by the time that's post holyfield yeah after yeah and you're just you'd done too much i was just winning them just winning beating guys you know guys get hit or something and some guys be so scared yeah what did what did you have in mind like that's the hardest thing right to to swing from that to the next thing like how do you take how do you take this crazy exciting life i don't know i decided i listen let me just get high for a while and figure this out that was the plan yeah let me party for a while and figure this stuff out. What did you figure out? That I wanted to do other things. So I started, my wife arranged for me to be this thespian on stage.

She created the live show? Yeah, yeah. That's a brilliant idea. Because you're also the first fighter that ever did that. Because many fighters have great stories, but very few of them have ever, I don't think anybody besides you has ever put it into a theatrical thing. Man, it's just amazing. We did it in Monaco. We did it in Rome.

We did it in a mountain of various places. And I just can't believe that people want to see that stuff. Well, like I said, the documentary was amazing. So people want to hear the live version of you talking about it and to see you live in person. Because the first time we did it, the first time we did it on Broadway, that is, right? We were really not sure about how it was going to turn out. So we invited all of our friends. We had tickets and gave all to our friends and people we love, like names, and we brought them to the show.

And so when we started, they started laughing. Everybody started laughing. I ran to my wife. I ran up to her and said brought them to the show and so when we started they started laughing everybody started laughing so I ran to my wife I ran up to her I said baby what's going on is everything okay I didn't want the show

to be a comedy it turned out to be a comedy it was supposed to be a hard gritty show about a tough guy that made it through his toughness and he just came up

about me just talking about myself how much a smuck I am you know what I mean and they loved it well I think that was part of it it's cause like

they all everybody knew you were this tough guy but they didn't know that you could be so self deprecating and have so much fun with it all

you know that's why people loved it cause yeah the honesty they're doing the writing for my movie and stuff I haven't seen it

but it's gonna be pretty wild who's playing you in a movie I don't know various people anything, but it's going to be pretty wild. Who's playing you in a movie? I don't know. There's various people, but most likely Jamie Foxx.

Jamie Foxx. Jamie Foxx to do it. He could do it. He could do anything. He could do anything. Anything. That guy could be the fucking president

of the United States. He could be a pilot that goes to the moon. He could do whatever the fuck he wants. I want him to do it, yeah. He could do whatever he wants. He'll probably bulk up

like crazy too to do it. It's going to be really wild. Yeah. Jamie could pull it off. Michael Jai White pulled it off. Huh? Michael Jai White. He can't do it like Jamie, I don't think.

I don't know. I thought he didn't do a bad job. A lot of people didn't like what he did, but I thought he did a good job. I think he did a good job. I loved him in Spawn. He's a great guy. Do you know him well?

No. He's a great guy. Great guy. Very smart guy. Veryawn. He's a great guy. Do you know him well? No. He's a great guy. Great guy. Very smart guy. Very humble guy. Really, really intelligent. And a great martial artist, too. Michael Jai White.

There's a Kilkishin karate black belt. He's bad as fuck. Did he fight in the UFC? No. When he was fighting, there was no UFC around, but he did a lot of karate tournaments and stuff. He's very good. I've watched him train before.

He's legit. Very legit. But like I said, real, real good guy. But yeah, I. I've watched him train before. He's legit. Very legit. But like I said, real, real good guy. But yeah, I agree. Jamie Foxx, man. Jamie Foxx is on another planet. He's just got this level of competence and skill and artistry in his singing, in his comedy, in his acting.

He could do anything. He could play you. Is he going to hang out with you for a while? I don't know what he's going to do. He's got to. He's got to hang out with you for a while? I don't know what he's going to do. He's got to. He's got to hang out with you. He's pretty awesome. He's got to hang out with you.

Got to absorb it, right? Yeah, see how that works out. Are you going to be like his consultant? Are you going to be like, bitch, I would have never said that? I would like to say that, yeah. I would like to be a consultant. But for some reason, they have their Hollywood ways of doing things. Yeah.

You know what I mean? They make it come out Hollywood-ish, I guess. Yeah. Because some things, it's just really wild how they try to switch it to appear presentable. Right. Yeah, they try to change the story. And know what else I realized, too? From a Hollywood perspective, some things are real. It's just still unbelievable. Yeah, they try to change the story. And you know what else I realized, too? From a Hollywood perspective, some things are real.

It's just still unbelievable. Yeah, by itself. Yeah, some things are really unbelievable. Yeah, well, do you know that movie, Foxcatcher? Did you know that movie? Yeah, the wrestling movie. I remember that story of the young guy. I remember that.

Yeah, that guy. The Pierpont guy, right? Mark Schultz. It was Dave Schultz and Mark Schultz. Yeah, the wrestler. Dave Schultz is the one who got murdered. Mark Schultz is the guy who fought in the Mark Schultz Dave Schultz Is the one who got murdered Mark Schultz Is the guy who fought

In the UFC Here's what's crazy About that movie I don't know how much Of that movie's accurate I don't know I wasn't there But what I do know

Is the one thing That I for sure know Happened They changed When he fought In the UFC Mark only fought In the UFC once

He fought a guy Named Big Daddy Goodrich Gary Big Daddy Goodrich Black guy right Yeah I know who that is Big black guy Wore a karate gi And then eventually Got rid of the gi Later in his career fought in the UFC once. He fought a guy named Big Daddy Goodrich. Gary Big Daddy Goodrich. Black guy, right? Yeah. I know who that is. Big black guy wore a karate gi and then eventually

got rid of the gi later in his career. But he's a legend. Big Daddy's a legend. In the movie, it's not Big Daddy. In the movie, he's fighting some white guy.

It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I could see that. They changed who he's fighting for no reason. It's a historical event. It's like, if you, for whatever reason,

they decided to not have you fight Trevor Burbick, you fought someone else. Like you fought Jerry Cooney for the title or something. Yeah, that would be bizarre. They'd be like, why would you change history? I hope they don't do nothing. I can't want to do if they do something like that. It has to be exactly the most accurate as can be.

Right, but it doesn't make it any better. That's what's crazy. It doesn't make the movie any better to have him fight a Russian guy. It doesn't make any sense. It would have made fight a Russian guy. It doesn't make any sense. It would have made it better to fight Daddy. Yes. Because he's known

in the UFC. Especially for people like me that are in the audience that go, oh, look, look who's playing Big Daddy. How did he do with Big Daddy? Big Daddy's tough.

He took Big Daddy down at will. Yeah. He did whatever he wanted to him. He's Mark Schultz. He was a motherfucker of a wrestler. I mean,

him and his brother were savages. They were savages They were just made out of steel What was the deal with that guy? How did they hook up with that guy? The guy was really really rich And there's no money in amateur wrestling

And these guys A lot of them are really struggling When they're trying to make the Olympics team I mean they're getting by Barely They barely have enough money for healthy food And they need sponsors And sometimes they get sponsors

Like a rich guy Who owns a business You know he loves the olympics he loves wrestling maybe he wrestled in college and he'll take care of them get maybe get them some vitamins maybe sponsor them with the and then you know they have various people that help them with their training and their food but this guy came along and said look i'm going to build a gigantic facility to create the best wrestling program and pay you guys all money to come and train here and they couldn't help it it's like they were poor they didn't know what to do but i understand that yeah and he was a guy who was like a trust fund guy he got all his money from his family and he was just some crazy rich asshole and he wound up shooting one of them

yeah i mean that's what it is i mean the like you said the story itself is fucking crazy enough the actual story they didn't have to change anything of it so i know they changed that's what it is. I mean, like you said, the story itself is fucking crazy enough. The actual story. They didn't have to change anything of it. So I know they changed that part of it. So who knows what else in the movie they added or changed or fucked with. They fucked with something they didn't have to fuck with. They went Hollywood with it in a way that they didn't have to do. So it makes you question all the other things that happened in the movie.

That's pretty bizarre. So for you, they can't do that. in the movie. That's pretty bizarre. So for you, they can't, they can't do that. Your life is crazy. Insane. I'm, you know what I was saying to myself,

I really, do I really want to do this stuff, man? I really want to go on the screen with my life and be sincere with these people. I said, do I really need that? I,

you know, I've been thinking about that recently. Do I really need this stuff? And I'm doing this, um, cannabis business, getting ready to pop off and do really well. I'm saying, I really, I don't really, do I really need this stuff. And I'm in this cannabis business getting ready to pop off and do really well. I'm thinking, I don't really need this money.

It's not going to hurt you. It's not going to hurt you. It's going to help you. Anything helps you at this point. You're so honest that anything that you've done in the past that you're embarrassed about or you're shameful of, it's just better. It's just better for you. It's like you made mistakes. People can learn from them.

These are beneficial. it's just better for you it's like you made mistakes people can learn from them these are beneficial so watching someone like you talk about your life is beneficial for people because you learn how you can overcome these experiences how how bad things can be for you you learn how bad you can fuck up and people need to see shit like that it's good for it's good for civilization it's good for our culture i think so and plus a guy like you who was like i said when i was a kid you were the fucking man i mean you were the fucking man to have a guy like you be self-deprecating explaining and laughing about things it makes it even it sinks in more it's like you were saying what we were saying about custom auto that his wisdom is sunk in like he it was the gravel in

his voice and the intensity in his eyes and the wisdom in his words it sunk in i remembered his quotes for years afterwards because he lived so much because he had so much and that's the same thing with you man when you when you're talking about your life experiences like people listen they take it in because they know you lived an extraordinary life. So they better not fuck this movie up. Yeah, real extreme. Extreme as it gets.

What's more extreme other than a soldier? Those are the only people that live a more extreme life. First responders, soldiers, firemen, police officers. Yeah, that's it.

I mean, they're seeing death and violence every day. Other than them, you probably live the most extreme life ever who the fuck could relate to you do you ever get together with other like world-class pro boxers that have no but the guy that do get into the guy you talk about the veterans and stuff yeah maybe tell me weird stuff you know oh man yeah talk to seals about their time deployed i'm surprised they don't take themselves out. A lot of those guys, they're going dark side. Well, a lot of those guys are finding some relief in the same things that you found relief in. They find relief in DMT and other psychedelics, mushrooms.

I think that could be a great benefit to a lot of our veterans. I believe that 100%, too. I don't know why they don't want to dabble in this stuff. Yeah. What do you think would have happened to you if you got a hold of that stuff while you in your prime i don't know i don't think maybe i want to be a fighter then yeah maybe i wouldn't want to be a fighter damn d tmt might have derailed it yeah i might want to love everybody you know that's what makes you feel like when you come out of it you say i love you yeah if they love everybody yeah well my hope is that uh with great organizations like maps

um that one day people will be able to see things like everybody be able to see things the way you do and then we'll all have this understanding what these things are they're they're tools that can help us all these things including marijuana it's tools that can help us. All these things, including marijuana. It's a tool to help us. You could abuse any tool. You could abuse any tool there is. You could take a hammer and hit yourself in the head if you're stupid. You could abuse anything.

But you could also use it and build yourself a beautiful house. And with cannabis, you could use it to make you a nicer person. It does. It makes you more. I feel more vulnerable. I have more of a sense of community. I'm always hugging people when I'm high. I want to hug everybody, you know?

I agree. It's a better feeling. Yeah. You know what I mean? It makes you feel kind. I agree. I like feeling kind. What is it like for you to watch boxing these days?

It's not my life anymore. You don't watch it at all? Did you watch Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder? No, I didn't life anymore. You don't watch it at all? Did you watch Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder? No, I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. Oh, it was a great fight. I was in the air flying

when they were fighting. Oh, really? Yeah. You didn't watch the highlights or anything? I saw some of the highlights, yes. How crazy is Deontay Wilder's power? Good stuff.

Crazy, right? Because he's built so strange. How incredible is Tyson's chore? Incredible. Incredible. And gets up and wins the rest of the pounds how incredible is Tyson's chore incredible incredible and gets up and wins the rest of the round

that's what's really incredible it's amazing amazing fight yeah so you don't follow you don't follow any of the tag

you know that's part of my life I'm I got mixed feelings with that part of my life right you know a lot of stuff that I don't like about myself and stuff.

Right. I try to forget that stuff because I'm on a whole different pattern. Yeah. So even watching other people box. I don't even watch nothing. I try to stay away as much as possible. So watching other people box makes you think about yourself when you're fighting. Reminds you of it.

Kind of, yeah. Yeah. I always say these guys are so much nicer than I was. You know what I mean? so watching other people box makes you think about yourself when you were fighting reminds you of it kind of yeah yeah I always say these guys are so much nicer than I was you know what I mean these are cool guys man yeah right

like who who out yeah there's no one out there today that's got that mean vicious persona yeah these are nice guys yeah you

when you were in the ring doing a post fight interview saying you wanted to eat your children you want to eat someone's children I remember remember saying, this is the craziest fucking post-fight interview. It was about Lennox Lewis, right? Yeah, he's a madman. Alexander the Great.

What's wrong with me? I mean, he's a madman. It was amazing. It was amazing. For the story, for the time, I mean, look, what it was was when we saw Rocky III, right? I mean, look, what it was was when we saw Rocky III, right? And Mr. T was challenging Rocky, and he would say all that crazy shit about what he was going to do. My prediction, pain.

That was beautiful, right? It was beautiful. What you did is you took that and just cranked it up to 11 and threw gasoline on it and lit it on fire. You just took that kind of ferocious shit talking. Yeah, I look at some of those press conferences in a long time. I'm saying to these guys, I've never talked to anybody like that. You know, it's just such a different world now. My world is so different now.

Do you feel when you watch that stuff that you feel almost like trapped by that past, like that you have to acknowledge it and you don't even acknowledge it anymore? Yeah, I'm almost a little bit like, I don't want to be involved. I wish that never happened. Yeah, yeah.

But it kind of had to happen for you to be who you are now. but no, it's because people, this is the real reason, right Joe? People still, people love that guy.

Yeah. Yeah. People love that. I didn't like that guy that much. So I have my, I'm conflicting with people that like that guy and me living my life

that I am living now. Yeah. Well, people love that guy because that guy gave them a drug and that drug was excitement. Like you'd turn on the TV, like, oh shit, here we go. Michael. Well, people loved that guy because that guy gave them a drug, and that drug was excitement. You turn on the TV, like, oh shit, here we go. Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson, here we go.

And boom! Oh! That's what people wanted. They wanted that excitement. They knew some crazy shit was about to go down. Unpredictable. You can't, no one knows what's going to happen in a fight. Is it going to be a right or a left?

Is he going to move right? Is he going to move left? How's it going to work out? You don't know. How long can to work out? You don't know. How long can Spinks last? You don't know. And everybody was excited. And that's what you brought people.

You brought people this chaotic moment. You slapped down the money in the pay-per-view. You got out your popcorn and you waited for the rush. The rush of excitement. Those were crazy days. Crazy days. Crazy. I hate to keep bringing your head back to that, but just for me as a kid growing up during that time, it was a big part of my, you know, my becoming an adult.

It was during your era, your era of dominance. I always look at my kids and I think, wow, these guys are pretty much middleclass kids. They live their life. They do what they want. They go to college and everything. I would never want to put that pressure on my son that you have to be the total best. You have to dominate everybody.

You got to be the best that ever lived. You put that kind of pressure on him. That's incredible. I would never do that to them. Yeah, it would never work, probably. I mean, I don't think a kid that grows up in a loving household with supportive parents. Yeah, you guys, boxing's for when you have nothing.

Yeah. When you do boxing, when you just have nothing, because that's a lot of dedication. That's a lot of pain. That's a lot of aggravation. You know what I mean? It really is discovering who you are. But you must be able to take pride in the fact that your children don't ever have to do that. Oh, and that's why I took the punches for they wouldn't have to do that.

I had my first, my husband's son was 16, he wanted to be a boxer. I said, you silly. I saw you working with him. You have to get out of here.

You have to get out of here. You stupid. You go to private school. You want to be a boxer and stuff? I don't know. You travel, you go to European trips,

you do your trips and all that stuff, vacations you wanna be a fighter get out of here you're a joke man you're a joke man and he's really serious

like he's serious man I don't want nobody what are you gonna do fight some guy like me some animal I don't want my kids to go through that crap that's the degrading

some guy like that beating on you yeah that's the thing's the degrading from a guy like that beating on you. Yeah. That's the thing is the fuel that you had, the burning inferno inside you, you can't replicate that. They don't understand that.

They don't, I don't know. You know, a lot of stuff inspires, shame inspires a lot of success. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. They don't have to deal with that kind of shame. Right, right. Shame, pain. Exactly. Feeling being being left out feeling of not belonging and you know, I do this I'm gonna be able to love me. Yeah crazy feeling it's really nice to get people if you want to be accepted so badly Yeah, imagine that it's gonna be accepted

People to look at you and all in all what kind of mindset is that that's that ego won't people just look at you yeah you're a sick fuck you're sick right you're sick fuck

want people to look at me look fuck oh man yeah but it's beautiful that you can describe it that way now like you've stepped

outside of it long enough do you recognize what it was when it was overcoming I was a sick guy I used to read stories of Alexander the Great how this guy was a god.

I said, wow, I want to be like that. You know, this is crazy. It's just crazy how you get inspired to believe that you're more than what you are. Well, it was also those feelings of conquering were giving you the first success and good feelings of your life. And the fact that they programmed you. I mean, that's something that I don't think a lot of people are aware of, the hypnotism. The hypnotism and the putting those thoughts into your mind, which were hugely beneficial.

You could tap into that mind zone right before you competed. They gave you a clear path. They gave you a clear path to use your fury with this very analytical approach with perfect boxing technique and an amazing mentor with incredible amount of knowledge and they just let you loose you have to be enthusiastic yeah with it you have to do the aster yeah bad intentions yeah being bad intention and have enthusiasm when you're fighting you love every minute of it yeah look at you you're getting

fired up again yeah because it's crazy do you work out anymore no i mean i keep away from that stuff man you don't even like uh all that stuff you know spin class or anything no all that stuff um reactivates my ego oh really yeah oh wow when they get ripped off so they reactivate it that's the thing about like extreme winners. Extreme winners that ego is hard to snuff out. Yeah, if I activate my ego, I'm going to lose in life.

I'm going to lose. I'm going to lose in this cannabis. I'm going to lose everything. What if you like go jogging? Can you go jogging? No, I do my treadmill

work and stuff. Okay, treadmill. That's it. But if I start to think that I'm special, if I get a glimpse, a glimmer of that thing

saying, whoa, look at you. You're better than them. I saw a video of you hitting the bag recently. It was like a couple years ago. You still hit the bag? Not anymore. You still throw some bombs?

I do, probably for the camera and stuff. Yeah, that's what you were doing. But I'm like, damn, you can still move. You still have it in you, right? I don't know. But it's in your body. It has to be in. I don't want to do that stuff again.

But does it feel weird, what I was going to get to, if you were standing in front of that heavy bag and you start rattling off combinations, you start thinking, like, oh, shit, I'm actually Mike Tyson. Like, I was that guy. I am that guy who went through that. I am the youngest heavyweight champion of all time. I am that guy that destroyed Tyrell Biggs. I am that guy that knocked out Larry Holmes. I'm that guy.weight champion of all time. I am that guy that destroyed Tyrell Biggs.

I am that guy that knocked out Larry Holmes. I'm that guy. I look at that guy as somebody that's giving me a platform to help me forget about that guy. Yeah. It's beautiful that you have that mindset. It is. Because most people who've accomplished as much as you have, they don't to ever let the past oh shit let that go but do you know do you recognize that that's a beautiful part of your personality you had one of the

most successful boxing careers ever but you don't want it you don't want nothing to do with it you don't want to want to acknowledge it exists you wish it went away in order to arrive to that next chapter in life, you have to forget the chapter that came before you. Yeah. And focus on the chapter ahead of you. Yes. Yes. That's a great lesson.

And coming from you, that lesson, I think, is going to hit home with a lot of people. You think so? Yes, 100%. 100%. Because you accomplished so much. Because you were the youngest heavyweight champion of all time, because you're the baddest man on the planet, this big hero for a lot of people like me when I was growing up,

to see you now say, that's then. I'm done. Nothing. I don't watch it. I don't work out. I'm not even a part of that anymore. I'm concentrating on my life right now, and I'm happy, and I love people. You know, Joe, that's really crazy.

But when you think about this, listen, being that person, that guy, that sent me to psych ward a couple of times. That sent me to so many other places. The prison. Wow, that sent me places. That guy is a trip. Yeah. That guy had you in underwear holding a tiger on a chain. That's a trip, man.

What did you go to the psych ward for? It's been crazy, violent. Probably thought about hurting myself or something crazy like that what do they do when they take you in the psych ward how do they treat you i don't know it's the same way everybody treat me this is mike and stuff no but i mean how do they take care of you what do they do for you i mean how do they take my time calm down give you some fucking pills that's it thorsians or or something. Yeah. Zone you out. Be like a zombie. You're in a zombie swag event.

Yeah. Yeah, that is what they do, huh? Yeah. Just calm you down medically. Pharmaceutically. It's a zombie. You're like a zombie. It's looking at television. You don't know what's going on.

Well, you know what's going on, but you can't react to it. And then once they got you calmed down enough, they go, all right, you can go. I don't know. I don't think I ever get calmed down enough. I think you can go I don't know I don't think I ever get calmed down enough I think it was time for me to go and I had to go what is a day in the life

of Mike Tyson like now like what is what is a typical day I get up in the morning I go to my office my cannabis office we do deals and we get investments

and um I come home at 5 o'clock and I go see my kids unless I stay at the office later and I come home and I o'clock and I go see my kids unless I stay at the office later. And I come home and I hang out with my wife and my kids. It's a really bizarre life.

We stay in Newport Beach now. Oh, that's nice. It's very nice. It's very upscale, but it's very quiet, too. Yeah. Not like Las Vegas at all. No.

And then my daughter plays tennis up there, so we're pretty much situated up there. It's not like I said, baby, can't we move to Hollywood? She said, no, we can't go to Beverly Hills. No. One, then my daughter plays tennis up there, so we're pretty much situated up there. It's not like I said, baby,

can't we move to Hollywood? She said, no, we can't go to Beverly Hills. No, because all of

her tennis requirements are here in Newport Beach, so we stay here. Newport's nice though.

It's a good place. It's near the ocean. It's got clean air. Yeah, we see the

ocean. It's just different for me. I bet. It's different. Yeah. Did you like living in Vegas

though? I love Vegas. It was always crazy and everything. The fights did bring great parties, though. You could always go to some great parties. That was always great. So you've settled into this business life, it seems like, pretty easily. You seem to be enjoying yourself.

Hey, it's something that I want to do, and it's a fresh start. You know what I mean? Yeah. Look, since doing the total, you know what I mean I look since doing the total you know what I mean my main objective and everything I've been embarking on

and been involving myself with it's all been because of a fresh start I feel fresh I feel new I feel like nothing could stop me

nothing could be in my way and it's just an awesome feeling so this is from doing that one DMT experience just sent you into well I did only

i did it one time but i did it many times that day right you know but yeah this really um i don't know what it is i'm trying to figure it out but i've changed but i just don't figure i don't still know how yeah um i describe it for a lot of people it's like resetting a computer you reset a computer you got a fresh new desktop and there's only one folder on the desktop and that folder says my old bullshit this is listen stop i'm saying to myself right now sometimes i'm wondering this new feeling that i'm possessing right now is it a real feeling this stuff really help am i lying to myself again till the next moment that next feeling come to do some drugs to be with somebody else what's really going on is that feeling going to come back yeah at this moment, that next feeling, come to do some drugs or to be with somebody else. What's really going on?

Is that feeling going to come back? Because at this moment, does that feeling feel like it's never coming back? It can never come back if you decide that it's never coming back. But you have to make that decision pretty much every day. But you can never come back if you want. Or you could slip into the old ways. That's what a lot of people do. When a lot of people fall into drug addictions, relapsing, when when they relapse they're not physically addicted when they're relapsed obviously they're

clean and then they decide to go back in it's because there's comfort in those old patterns because this new way of life is just they get anxiety they feel like it's a lot of pressure to stay clean oh let's explain it i hate that i always hated that I never wanted to do drugs But then I do them again I never wanted I hate it Oh no no Yeah What the hell

No come on You understand what I'm saying No I don't want Yeah Fuck I don't want that And then once you do that And once you do that Then you're going all out now

You got the liquor there The girls Oh man This is just A dark dark vicious cycle it's real dark yeah it's self-destructive yeah it's all about um ego inflating and self-deprecating self-destruction it also alleviates you from the responsibility of improving 100 that pressure of like keeping it together, staying sober, being disciplined, all that stuff.

Once it's gone, it's gone. Like, ah, I'm just fucking crazy. I'm crazy. This is just what I do. I'm crazy. And it's easy to fall into that trap. And that's what happens to a lot of people who relapse with drugs. I never want to go back to that again.

That's just a no-win situation. That's one of the great things about marijuana that people don't understand. They think that a drug is a drug is a drug. They're all falling under the same category. situation that's one of the great things about marijuana that people don't understand they think that a drug is a drug is a drug they're all falling under the same category but you can use marijuana and just be peaceful and not chaotic and the opposite it'll make you think more about the consequences of ruining your life because they sound ridiculous i got um? I got a foot in Detroit, Michigan one time for Andrew Gulotta. I got tested. I tested for marijuana.

They charged me $300,000. Jesus Christ. They fined me $300,000. That's a lot of money. Where'd that money go? Who took it? The commission. They broke it up. Yeah. They chopped it up and went and did coke with it. finally $300,000 that's a lot of money where that money go who took it the Commission yeah that's what they did yeah that's crazy $300,000 for some weed in your system now you're selling it legally yeah this

is just bizarre situation I'm just going with this bizarre world and see what happens. It's beautiful, man. I never thought you could do this, sell marijuana. I never thought I'd be in that business. I know. At this stage in my life when it came at the right particular time. I saw it online. I saw Tyson Ranch online.

I saw something on Instagram or something. And I was like, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Why not, man? In this day and age. I mean, look, everybody loves you. Why not? Why not go into business?

People never dreamt of it. It's just a no-brainer. People are going to want to buy your weed just because they love you. I want to distribute all over the world, too. That's where it gets sketchy. Yeah. There's some spots in Asia you don't want to bring weed to. No.

Singapore, you can get killed. Oh, yeah. I know, but that's it. There's some parts of the world that they accept it. Yeah. Like, I went to Europe to buy weed before. I mean, and they were selling the plant. get killed oh yeah i know but that's the some parts of the world that they accept it yeah like i went to europe to buy weed before i mean and it was um they were selling the plant they weren't selling the butt they were selling the plant you had to buy the plant wait till the plant develop

and make butts and all that stuff wow selling the plant i said what's that purpose they wanted you to grow your own yeah that's the only way so you were working with a bunch of different growers explain how you guys are setting it up the whole thing you were working with a bunch of different growers explain how you guys are setting it up the whole thing we're working with other growers but my main objective is to be distributors all over the country so to and also the ranch where you have like a destination that's gonna be that's gonna be our resort in there and that's where people can come it's gonna be um it's gonna be like, what's that big concert thing? We're going to have our own concert here.

Chinchilla. I forgot the name of it. Coachella. Coachella, yeah. Chinchilla. Coachella. It's going to be something to that effect, yeah. Oh, that's awesome.

So you're going to do shows down there too? Absolutely, yeah. Oh, wow. We're going to do Miguel. Miguel's going to be our first show. When? Miguel's going to be our first show in February. Oh, wow. Oh, that's amazing.

That's beautiful. But listen, man, I'm very happy for you. I'm happy to see this. I'm happy to see this transition in you. I'm happy to hear about your experiences. And good luck, man. You need to come by because I'm going to be presenting at the Podcast Award. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's coming up soon, isn't it? Yeah, you gonna be there? No, I'm not gonna be there. No, I'm gonna. When is that? Be the hell out of me. They'll tell me. Yeah, they, I think, do you know when that is, Jerry?

Somebody sent it to me. I'm busy that night, unfortunately. Yeah. Um, so you have a podcast, too. Tell people about that. Yeah. It's called Hot Boxin'. Hot Boxin'.

Yeah. Get it? Yeah, big time. Hot boxing hot boxing yeah get it yeah big time box weed get it boxing exactly yeah and we smoke on our um on our show we're having a good time yeah and you uh you had dale earnhardt jr on yeah he's an awesome guy he's a great guy yeah he's awesome did you get high with him i know no i don't believe i did no i don't think he smoked no i don't think he does either. He's just a clean cut guy. He's a super nice guy. Almost too nice. Like, are you real? Father was a tough guy. Yeah.

His father was a savage. Yeah. Yeah. So tell people, Tyson Branch, tell people how they can find more information. Well, you can look up Tyson Ranch. Is it TysonRanch.com? Yeah. Okay it TysonRanch.com? Yeah. Okay.

TysonRanch.com. And you don't fuck with any social media, huh? You don't mess with that. I have people do that, but they tell me, take a picture with this guy for you, get some likes or something. I'm so immature. I feel like I'm in third grade or something, getting friends, trying to make friends. I don't know what the hell I'm doing.

I feel like a smug, man. It is ridiculous. I feel like a smug. That is ridiculous I feel like a smuck That's it Tyson Ranch Official on Instagram Look Damien I'm on the book

Dope Magazine There you go Damn Well listen brother Thank you very much For being here man I really appreciate it Pleasure being here man

I wanted to come To the show so much earlier But we just Couldn't make it happen We'll do it again We'll do it again And let me know When everything opens up

We'll be happy to promote it for you Let everybody know And anytime you got something Coming on You want people to know about it Let me know Thank everything opens up We'll be happy to promote it for you Let everybody know And anytime you got something coming on You want people to know about it Let me know Thank you very much Thank you Appreciate it brother

Thank you very much Mike Tyson motherfuckers All day Woo That was cool That was awesome