The Joe Rogan Experience - #1230 - Killer Mike

Episode Date: January 23, 2019

Killer Mike is a rapper, actor, and activist. He is one half of the group Run The Jewels and has a new show on Netflix called "Trigger Warning" available now.

Bam. We're in the building. Four, three, two, one. Boom. So I took a four and a half hour ride down to San Diego because my friend Brendan was filming a Showtime special. And it was run the jewels the entire way down and back. Thank you, man. It was awesome. Thank you.

I wish I could work out as hard as people work out to our music. Seriously, man. I've lost 31 pounds, but I as people work out to our music. Seriously, man. I've lost 31 pounds, but I'd be 90 pounds down easy now. That was one of the things I was saying. This is workout music. Yeah, it is. It is. And Al and I are chubby as two fat little bears.

Well, you were saying you lost 31 pounds. Yeah, 31 down. That's an accomplishment. I maybe picked up three over the holidays, but I'm on my path. I really am. Shouts out to Al Claiborne, who's from out here, who's a hell of a trainer. If I had his discipline, I'd already be 100 pounds down, but the goal is 100 in the next 18 months. You can do it.

Yeah, I know. 100%. Just eat bad and got lazy. Yeah, but you know what, man? It's one of those things where if you can stick with it for 90 days, it'll become a part of your life. Well, that's the goal. That's the goal. You know what and and and and i'm about it like because i like meat so i still get to eat meat and i like green stuff and i don't like salad dressing so i

think it's gonna be relatively easy for me yeah like olive oil and vinegar does not taste bad bro i don't even use that like when i have a salad when my wife makes salad she literally will make the salad she may add a little goat cheese or not she'll you know may she'll throw some chicken or some steak on there but if it's fruit in the salad i don't need any salad dressing just throw some strawberries or some apples or something something to just give me that sprive juice and i'm good now if i could figure out doing that three to four times a day versus the one meal i'm with my wife and then eating like trash in the studio i'll be yeah that's the problems when the temptation rolls in you see burgers and fries yeah fuck it you see a coca-cola yeah that's that that really is it for me i had to quit sodas they're the worst which is which is which brings me to cripple cola yeah so what

is cripple cola you gave me two bottles of it but i wanted to keep in the fridge i want to enjoy it and it's perfect temperature coca-cola pe-Cola, RC-Cola, anything with cola, right, has probably killed more Americans than anything else in the world, right? So anything that's cola. Because Coca-Cola's provided tons of jobs in my hometown. I don't want to diss them. They might promote a concert of mine, right? But

we know that sugary drinks aren't good for you. Right. Yet we don't have an aversion to, we don't criminalize sugar. And my doctor literally told me, Michael, sugar is poison, right? I want you to work it out of your diet. But these kids that are members of these little punk-ass street fraternities, essentially gangs, we criminalize and villainize a bunch of teenagers who simply don't have anything to do. They don't have jobs.

They don't have skills. They don't have organization. They don't have police athletic league like they used to. They don't have people engaging them in academics or sports where they used to. So they just kind of, you know, mess off, fuck off, sometimes fuck up and violence happens. Right. If you could take those same kids with entrepreneurial spirit, that'll sell you water on the side of a highway. You add it to something the public already wants. Anyway, cola, you create something like cripple cola and B-pop. And essentially what you're doing is creating the same sugary shit

that we all go by and drink and we shouldn't and now we're given the structure of say a Hell's Angels to say yeah you can say we're a criminal organization but we still can sell you a fucking t-shirt because we're now paying our taxes we're now employing people and we're now doing what we're supposed to do and that's what I wanted to give

the gift of my friends who are members of street fraternities. And we actually pulled it off at the show. These guys actually managed to bring something in microcosm to the market in Atlanta. It did well enough for us to keep continuing doing it and I want to see how far I can go. And what's

in it? Sugar, water, artificial what is it? Food coloring, flavoring, that's's it I think it's six ingredients total have you ever do you know

what Zevia is you ever fuck with Zevia you mean the fake sugar stuff you use it's no Zevia is

soft drinks that are made with Stevia yeah but the thing is like you know what I found out with me

with sugar it's either just do it or don't like for me it's easier to do things that are

actually a real just sugar like a Mexican Coke or just have you know some carbonated water with lemons in it. I don't do well with the invitation. It's kind of like getting a hand job. I want the whole thing.

I know what you're saying, but this stuff is good. It's different. I've had some. My man Pooh Bear, who asked for Justin Bieber, he did it. It's just I am such an addict of sugar. You want the real thing. Yeah, so it doesn't make sense for me sometimes to tempt myself. So you just drink water?

I do a lot of water now, a lot more water now, and I do a lot of club soda with lime. Which I used to talk shit to LP about. I make you drink it, white guy drinks. And now L is ordering a fucking, you know, he's ordering a drink drink, and I'm

just like, yeah, I'll take a club soda and lime. That's good, man. If you could stick on that path. Shouts out to my man, Bear Loke, who is a friend and mentor. A lot of times you might see a guy with me who does security. Bear introduced me to Shaolin Kung Fu. You're basically kicking and punching and moving around. He also introduced me to a lot of the guests that are on your show, including guests that talk about intermittent fasting,

that talks about getting rid of sugars and stuff. And he just loves me like a big brother, so he keeps me in tune with what's going on. He's the person that actually introduced me to Stevie. Always good to know a guy like that. He's got his finger in the pulse. I like to know people that are smarter than me so I don't have to learn as much. I can just go to them with questions. Yeah, absolutely.

That's the move. Yeah, I don't like being the smartest guy. No. Well, I don't have that choice that's that option's not possible you need to get another rule of your smarts yeah fuck that yeah i mean talking to elon musk on the show about that when he was um talking to me about the thoughts that are bouncing around inside of his head that he can't control and then he's it's always been his whole life like he wouldn't want to be me i was like jesus christ i'm just thinking about it i thought i did something cool smoking with mar and that was definitely cool but you get an elon muster to fucking smoke

is classic stoner history in their making right there yeah i didn't even the thing about it is if i had any idea that people would react to it that way i mean i would just do that on a normal show that's normal. It's California. It's legal. I smoke weed. It's no big deal. It's fun. It's like a camaraderie thing.

I think so. I think so. Yeah. Everybody's sharing space together. It's a peace pipe of sorts. It's one of the only things you sip off that another man's lips touched. Like, everybody does it. Yeah.

Right? Well, women too, but we just don't admit to ourselves That there's another guy That's true But that's like It's been washed Yeah This is like Joint

To joint the person Right there No wash Like if someone wanted To give you a haul Off of their cigar Try this You'd be like

Get the fuck out of here I've actually had Noriega did that to me Manuel Noriega No no Not Manuel Noriega Noriega did that to me. Manuel Noriega? No, no, not Manuel Noriega. Noriega the rapper. Oh, I'm sorry. Victor Santiago.

Holy shit. Yeah, I definitely would smoke. You would smoke cigars with Noriega? I would. God damn. I would have smoked cigars and done coke, and I'm not a cocaine user, but I would have definitely. My wife talked about going to Columbia, and I said, honey, I've never said this to you.

She said, what? I said, if we're going to Columbia, we're going to do cocaine. I said, of all the places in the world, I've're going to Columbia, we're going to do cocaine. I said, of all the places in the world, I said no to cocaine everywhere, from Dubai to Denver. But in Columbia, I say, fuck it, we're here, we're at the source. When you're in Hawaii, you eat poi.

Yeah. You go to a luau. I would try for sure those leaves, the chewing of the leaves. The coca leaves. And Peru, as you ascend up the mountain, shout out to Mortal Technique, my Peruvian raw rap friend. I love that dude. Yeah, I do too.

He's a good man. He's been on a couple times. He's a great guy. A great human being, man. Dude, that guy brought me a plate of his grandma's food to the podcast studio. That's how down home that dude is. He's one of the best human beings. Brought me a plate of food. He's the best human beings a plate of food he's a

great human man like he's a great he that like that's more of the stuff i'm saying people need to do instead of arguing ideas and extremes you need to get with people who don't look like you or not culturally alike yeah and you need to allow them to do things like that because that creates friendships empathy and builds bridges instead of burning well he, he's just a real dude. He is. He's a real dude. Like, who he is, I mean, that is who he is. He's got very strict ethics in his mind. He's essentially, he's like a soldier, you know, in terms of how he thinks and operates and takes care of his people and moves.

You know, he took me on my first tour with rap music. Well, rap music. Before me and L.L. went out together. I went out with him. You know what I mean? We ran through the South together and I just, he was just pro all the way

and we became friends and I just love him to death now and I'd go to war with him any day. Yeah, he's a great dude. I've hung out with him a few times.

Yeah. Like him a lot. He came to my mother's funeral, God bless his soul. Did he really? Yeah. I believe that. That sounds like him.

Yeah. Yeah, it's, there's good people out there, man, even in show business business wacky ass show business yeah there are a lot of good people yeah there are good people in show business none of the people in offices you can trust but the talent we're okay yeah well even in the offices there's some good folks out there there's some good agents and good people they get a bad rap you know what it is man it's just fucking hard can you imagine how hard it is and you know how hard it is, to make it in entertainment as a performer.

Yeah. Right? You know your path. It's fucking difficult for everybody. Now imagine you have to rely on other people performing, and you have to pick the winners. You got to figure out who's going to work for you. A bunch of addicts and emos. Oh, they're all crazy.

Like, in terms of the talent. I know I give my managers headaches three, four days a week. God bless their souls. You know what I mean? I know I do. I really, like, my friend today who's with me, he's a promoter. He write Eric Milhouse. When I met him, we were doing a show.

We were booked to do a show. Me and another artist. Well, the other artist's contract didn't say pay regardless. Mine said pay regardless. So after the show, I went like, where's my fucking money? And everyone's like, what are you talking about? You don't get paid? I'm like, no, where's my fucking money?

Or I think it may have been before, like I'm not going on. And he ends up snatching me in another office like, look, I'm going to fucking pay you. Don't tell the other fucking guy. Oh, Jesus. And that's how we became friends. I took my money, acted like I didn't get paid, talked shit about him in front of the other guy, and then called him later like, man, I don't know what the fuck made you hold cold,

but thank you, and we've been friends. So when he called me and said, you going to Joe Rogan's experience, I'm like, you're coming with me. That's hilarious. Yeah, those sketchy gigs where you're not sure if you're going to get paid. I know, bro. It's part of the business. It's the Chitlin' Circuit.

It's like me and T.I. playing Montgomery, Alabama in 2003. Wow. Chitlin' Circuit. Wow. It's fun. The Chitlin' Circuit is fun. I will advise anyone who likes street rap to get to the South and get to one of those small clubs that anybody's accepted

and just go watch those kids as they grow up. You're going to see some hell of a lot of shows. Now, how does a manager find a rapper? How does an agent find a rapper? How does that work? It works a lot. Do they go to the local shows? Yeah, local shows.

I will say, like in Atlanta, Meech and Key, who both their management for 21 Savage, they've been on the Atlanta scene for years cultivating young talent, whether it was Grip Plies, Rest in Peace, 2-9, which was another group out of Atlanta. And all these kids were dope. You know, some worked out, some didn't. Grip died of cancer, unfortunately. 2-9, the members went their separate ways, but still are making dope music.

But then they found the kid in 21 that they managed to help get to the next plateau. And congrats to 21. They had a number one album a couple weeks. They managed to help get to the next plateau. And congrats to 21. They had a number one album a couple weeks. But management usually comes from a group of people who care and just want to see someone they're a fan of be treated well in the industry. So I really applaud music managers. Because like you say, placing your own fate in your own hands is one thing.

Placing it in the fate of an emotional addict, which a lot of times the act can be, including myself. Oh, shit. That's a rollercoaster ride. That's a roller coaster ride. That's a hard job. The stress of other people performing is brutal. Yeah. My publicist, God bless her soul, I thought I killed her a couple times this year. She might have come from, I'm not concerned.

I have two publicists, white woman and Catherine, who's done a lot of music publishing. And then when I start talking about topics, I have a black woman in Jennifer Farmer, who's a great publicist. But she's also a publicist for like former Senator of Ohio, Nina Turner and mega church pastors. So, you know, she's helping me keep my image clean. But, you know, she doesn't want me getting on television talking about doing cocaine and smoking joints. And I don't do cocaine, but it's like if I go to club, yeah, I do coke. And she's just you could just see her face sink behind she's gonna oh my god and you know churches are calling they're like this guy supports ar-15 so so i thank you jennifer for for tolerating me

but she's got to understand that that's also a part of why people like you yeah she does it you know it's just it's just something to deal with that work i get get it. I get it. I wouldn't want to be here. But you have to do what you do. That's part of what makes you fun. Absolutely. People know what they're going to get, what it is. There's no filter. Yeah.

You got it. Man, you got it. Somebody has to shake the box a little bit. Somebody has to be the kid that's willing to poke the hornet's nest just to see how many will fly out. Two of my greatest heroes, when black people usually talk about heroes, we talk about Martin, Malcolm,

Elijah Muhammad, Marcus Garvey, but two of my biggest heroes coming up were Luther Campbell and Larry Flint. Because in my lifetime, I saw Luther Campbell and Larry Flint fight the government Because in my lifetime, I saw Luther Campbell and Larry Flint

fight the government on behalf of the American people's right to say whatever they wanted to say. So at the same time in my formative years, I was learning to love the Bill of Rights and the preamble

and United States Constitution. I got a chance to see people fight for my right. And I couldn't wait to be a rapper just so I could curse and buy my own titty books you know and those people have shaped my life in terms of love of freedom and liberties as much as a Thurgood Marshall you know as much as

a as much as a barber Jordan as much as a as a Shirley Chisholm so for me who I am is needed you know it's it's an I remember one of my friends saying Mike I like the fact you talk on social issues, but why do you always feel necessary to talk about smoking weed in strip clubs? I say because that's what I really do. And I never want someone to be able, from the other side, to say, don't like this guy because he smokes marijuana

and goes to strip clubs. I want whoever they say that to to say, yeah, and he goes with his wife and they smoke together. I don't want it to be some secret. I keep, I want people to understand that when I want you to be free, I don't want you to be free to agree to see the world the way I do. I want it to be some secret i keep i want people to understand that when i want you to be free i don't want you to be free to agree to see the world the way i do i want you to be free to live as you would like to live so long as it doesn't infringe on me and others that's supposed to be what this is all about that's supposed to be what this country's all about that's what miss ellison told me yeah in high school well the luther campbell thing was so

strange because it was at one area in florida right where they had very strict blasphemy laws yeah they've tried porn stars there before yeah they tried some male porn star was doing some really fucked up videos they tried him down there for for obscenity and they had them locked up they they you know it's very conservative yeah and they just decided that the two live crew was just too much they were like they were drawing a line in the sand huge but it was it's a crazy thing to do when something's very popular. Yeah, but they also make examples out of the popular. I just found out what the monkey on a stick thing meant, where apparently monkeys in India are wild out,

so farmers will kill one monkey and put his head on a stick, so other monkeys will know, hey, this is dangerous to do, right? So essentially, famous people, me, you, Luther Campbell, Lenny Bruce, Rodney Dangerfield, Andrew Dice Clay, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, what you become is something to symbolize what will happen if you dare step out of line or social order. So your head being on a stick is less about actually charging you for crimes and more about keeping the rest of the public in fear. It's a lynching. And a lot of times we don't want to say that, but it really is.

You know what I mean? So do you think they see something like 2 Live Crew come up? They never had a rap band, any kind of band like 2 Live Crew, right? And then they're worried what's next. So let's nip this shit in the bud. Let's nip it in the bud. Put the head on the stick. Put the head on the stick right there in the yard.

And thank God, Luke Falk, I can remember Channel 2 or 5, ABC or CBS, and they were getting off the plane in my town. I'm a kid watching this one. I'm 12, 13 years old. And the news reporters just went TMZ style, just put it in their face. And I can remember Brother Marquis just pulling up a Playboy magazine and titties being right there on the screen. I'm like, yes, because it's live TV.

And the report almost dropped the camera, you know, trying to get it out. But that's what made me love the United States Constitution in matters of freedom of speech, because I got a chance to see it fought for and exercised right there before me as I was learning about it. Isn't it interesting that really what we're concerned with, too, is visuals? We're not concerned with what people write down. We're concerned with what people say. But you could write that in a book.

You could write his lyrics in a book, and no one would get mad at that book. Something about them singing it and people singing along to it. People are like, this is it. We've got to stop. Civilization's falling apart. We've got to stop. Civilization's falling apart. We've got to stop this. Yeah, well, I mean, songs, vibrations, humming, meditation, your hump, that rhythm changes things. And it opens your mind.

It clears you. You know what I mean? Had it not been for an artist like Lil' Kim, would you have feminism in the way you have now? Would you have women gladly celebrating their sexuality and bodies if it wasn't for her? She never gets the credit. Yeah. Do you think people know how extravagant she was in her time? I think she doesn't get the credit she deserves.

I think women know that it became safe for them to be sexually aggressive and free because of her. The women that were coming of age in her time. But I don't think, in retrospect, because rap's young. You know, rap's only 45, 46 years old. I don't think that – I just think it's getting to the point where we appreciate what we've accomplished. So Lil' Kim is going to become more celebrated as the years go on. Her, Trina, you know, Kaya, Choice, Boss, like so many. Hip-hop has been a very fair game to women a very long time

you know but whether people want to know it or not you know you have you've always had to call and response records in hip-hop i get on there i'm the baddest motherfucker in the world and then a girl pops up behind you nah motherfucker i'm bad you know i mean those records have been around forever so they've we've always promoted equality within because it made money it made sense and women were the audience too. It's pretty amazing that hip hop is really only 40 something years old when you really stop and think about that it's one of the primary sources

of music in the world if you think about how many songs are being published, how many songs people are listening to and enjoying right now, how many of those are rap? That's a fucking giant number man, if you could look at the whole country right now and just a little light goes off when it's a rap song is playing like and if you listen to willow walker jr willow walker says the rest of country music is just biting rap and acting like they aren't so well i think it was

a little bit of that but i think at one point in time it was a little that a lot of rappers would look at guys like Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash and old school gangster country guys. Outlaw country is way different from today. I love outlaw country. You can't tell me Waylon Jennings, Chris Christopherson, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash aren't kicking it. Like, that's what the fuck is up, right? But that's not the same as you allocating a Nelly beat to your song and talking about cowboy boots instead of Air Force Ones. No. Not the same as you allocating a Nelly beat to your song and talking about cowboy boots instead of Air Force Ones. No. Not the same. There's something about the Allman Brothers, Midnight Rider,

and Whippin' Post that's radically different than you just singing about your Ford and rafting on Saturdays with your chick. Yeah. I don't think people even understand tied to the Whippin' Post. You can't fake that song. When they came at me about the nra interview um last year every day i smoked a joint woke up and laughed and listened to that record like every single day i just wanted you guys to know it didn't bother me any my wife just told me to shut up talking to you all we went shooting a lot more and we play almond brothers whipping post every morning because i had to remind myself that this is normal that you're being done like this publicly because you are disagreeing with a system that people have agreed to that you don't agree to. And it's okay not to agree.

So the Harmon brothers really got me through that segment and stopped me from punching a lot of bourgeoisie black people in the face. Well, you're a proponent of your, your right to carry a gun. Yeah. And I'm a lover of the United States constitution as a whole, of all our rights and amendments. But in particular, you know, the First and Second Amendment rights matter to me as an African-American and as an American.

First and foremost, as an African-American, I've only been free 55 years. My parents were born in apartheid. And as an American, we are a country that broke off from what we felt like was a tyranny of a monarchy. And we did that because farmers and guns dared to wage guerrilla warfare against, at that time, one of the largest armies and navies in the world. So I honor that by continuing to be in the spirit of those farmers, in the continuance of Christmas Addicts, the first person to die in the American Revolution was a black man. You know, so for me, I would dishonor those patriots who started this country and Christmas Addicts.

I would dishonor the lineage as an African-American who's only 55 years into freedom by giving government my gun back. It's not something I believe in. Government is people. Part of the problem with giving government anything is that they're just people. They're not something special. Absolutely. They're not flawless. Absolutely. You give people power over you.

I mean, this is not saying we should stockpile guns and point them at the government. No. But if people have guns, it's way harder to just take over cities. Absolutely. Absolutely. That shit happens all the time in other countries. It does happen. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Where people get occupied. Absolutely. And governments turn on them. Governments change the rules and places that were democracies are no longer so. Absolutely. That's real. And we're never far from it.

As safe as you feel, you're never far from it. that are a reasonable, very educated in the matter, very articulate person who comes from a place where they don't expect that argument to come from. Yeah, I understand. You know, like you think about left-wing people or Democratic people, progressive people, you always think, you know, you think about Democratic people overwhelmingly being appreciated by the black community and you always associate them with being anti-gun.

Yeah. That's a common thing. So when a guy like you steps out and says, no, no, I think it's a disservice to take this right away. Absolutely. And if I didn't support it and fight for it. I've been an African-American 40-something years now, right? I have known Democrats primarily my entire life.

I'm from the South, in particular the Southeast, Alabama, Georgia, Florida. I have never known a black male Democrat that was working class that did not own a weapon. So I'm going to follow the examples of my grandfather. I'm not going to listen to the National Party and their rhetoric about de-arming the population. I think obviously

we could agree that we would all love it if we never needed guns. Yeah. Of course. Right? Of course. Who wouldn't? I'd rather not need it than be prepared, though. To not be prepared. Sure. Right? could agree that we would all love it if we never needed guns yeah of course yeah right of course who wouldn't i'd rather not need it than be prepared yes and not be prepared sure right better to have it not to need it than need it not to have it and the part of the country i'm from and what you do often like i'm from a part of the country i grew up fishing hunting growing food my sister grows food don't get to hunters regularly now still fish occasionally shots out to greg street one of our biggest tjs down there's a great fisherman right but this is as normal in my part of the country as not having

straws and being able to smoke in public in places like la it's it just it's not that big of a deal you know you you know in my in my mind state a household should have five guns right you should have a revolver you should have a semi-automatic for if you and your wife carrying out in public. You should have a shotgun just because this is a great all-around gun to have, whether it's burglars or vermin. And you should have bolt-action rifles, of course, in case you've got to kill your meat. You should have a semi-automatic rifle to defend against tyranny or just to fuck off on Sundays and show your homeboys whose dick bigger. But what you should not do is give up your right to own weapons. Yeah, or use them on people that's what the the thing about using them on people is that it's so rare but

so horrific and so so common for something that's so horrific and everybody's against it but i don't i don't understand how you would ever by taking guns i mean you would have to take all the guns away to stop that from happening but how are you going happening. But how are you going to do it? How are you going to do that? Yeah, criminals aren't going to give up. Of course not. There's no way. The regular people should probably not do that either.

Yeah, that's where it gets squirrely. It's like, how are you going to get those guns from the criminals? You're not. You're not going to. You're not going to. It's a joke. What we can do, though,

and I would say as an owner, you get lazy sometimes, you don't train enough. We should train more. And that doesn't mean, you know, go try to be the quickest draw and you practice. But what you want to do is make sure you know what you're doing with your weapon. Make sure you know how to clean your weapon.

Make sure you know how to store your weapon. And I took my son and my nephew. I'm shooting. I'm about to start taking my 11-year-old girl, Michael, shooting. Because I want them to know what they do if they see a gun. So we've all already went through what do you do if you're somewhere and you see a gun? How do you get out of that situation, get other kids out of that situation, and let an adult know? All that comes with it.

And the strange thing to me is that my mother, when she was in high school, was actually taught how to shoot a rifle, right? Because the NRA, which is now vilified and hated for reasons some deservedly so, some not, they used to have big programs in public schools to make sure that children knew firearm safety. So my mother's school and other schools benefited from that. I don't care if it was just that sheet of paper that told you gun safety before you went in a range. That was just a piece of propaganda they did that was better for the overall public. So I tend to say, as Americans, we've gotten away from stuff like trades in school. We've gotten away from different options besides funneling our kids into college debt. And we've also gotten away from basic training, you get a safer, more confident student body. You get a reduction on things like bullying and bullshit.

You get an increase on self-propelled interests of children. And you start to meet, to grow scholars that excel. But do you really, how is it going to stop bullying? Just by knowing that more kids know how to use guns. Guns don't stop bullying. No, boxing class stops bullying. Pimp C said that. No one wants to fight somebody who's going to fight back.

I think you're right. I think for sure martial arts. I know wrestling does it. One thing it can do though is make people more aggressive initially. Yeah. A lot of people just getting into it and learn how to fight a little bit. I get that part. It's like blue belt mentality. That's why you get with your homies though. You go with your homies so you and your homies are just beating the shit out of each other. You're not picking on a kid at lunch.

You know what I mean? Like me, Willie Spearman. I remember six. Great. The thing is, though, man, you can hurt each other. There's a horrible video. Did you see the one that, who put it up? What was it?

It was one of those fight breakdown videos. Robin Black? Yes, it was Robin Black. Two Steves. They get in a fight. One Steve KOs the other Steve. It's fucked up. Two dudes with boxing gloves on.

They're friends, and one of them knew how to fight a little bit, and the other one didn't know how to fight at all. He knocks him out. Don't do that to your home. His head bounces off the floor. Yeah. I think martial arts in general is great for kids to stop bullying because you don't have to worry Look at this

This kid in the blue has no idea what he's doing That guy leans in with a jab That is so fucked up It's so obvious He put his homie to sleep He knows how to fight Even when he threw a jab He leaned in on that jab

Unless that guy is a real asshole That really needed that punch, that's a fucked up thing to do to your buddy. Oh, man. Look how this kid leans in. Look how he leans in. That kid knows how to jab. That's a real jab.

And here it comes. Awful. Next snap, lights are about to go off. That's bad for you kids. And boom. Blah, blah. Good night. Good timing there, too.

Kid drops it in. Yo, did you see what I put up on my Instagram today? No. There was a kid who looked like he was more of a boxer than a kung fu guy. It looks like he was doing a sparp to cut. Yeah. The guy side kicked him in the jaw. Oh, man.

Beautiful. Was it jaw or was it chest? It felt like he hit chest to kind of teach him. I have to look at it. Teach him, like, yeah. But it looked like it could have been. I think he got him in the face. Yeah, look at this.

I thought he got him in, like, the neck area. Bam. Yeah, I think it's a little bit of high chest. Yeah, but he humbled the shit out of him. And then he smiled and patted him on his back. Front leg side kick. Yeah. Bam.

Yeah, he did it smooth. That's one of my favorite moves. There's a big guy. People never see just a great kick to the gut coming and getting the fuck out of the way. Just let me get out of here. That's how you get out of those chitlin' circuit clubs when the whole club is trying to kill you. How many of those situations you ever been in?

A good three. Two, it was our fault, me and my crew. Really? And two, we were just in the middle of some bullshit. We didn't know what was going on. We had to get out of that club. You know what I mean? But yeah, that's the only thing about the Chitlin' Circuit.

Fun times, great groupies, bags of money, but you could die. Now, how do you guys start out? Do you start out like, is there like an open mic night

or something if a guy wants to become a rapper? How do you get going? How do you get on stage the first time? I'm from the underground rap scene and I like the East Coast rap. I like battle rap,

that type of stuff coming up. So I was more out of the open mic scene. I got to hang around the older guys and the cool guys and the I like the East coast rap. I like battle rap, that type stuff coming up. So I was more out of the open mic scene. Um, I got to hang around the older guys and the cool guys and the drug dealers. Cause I could rap about street stuff. Right. Whereas when you take like a TI,

he was always interested, love music and stuff. But tip was a trap rapper from the start. You know, he, he was entertaining for the street. So he didn't, he didn't need to go to fucking open mic.

He just needed to be opened up on a mic and then allowed the greater public to hear him. I talk about him and Big Boy because they're two of my best friends. So I know I got poetic license to talk about those guys where I don't really tread lightly with other rappers. You never know whose feelings get hurt. So it was no need for him to do open mics as much as just find someone

who believed in him and that was KP, L.A. Reid, DJ Toomp and gave him platform to create the genre now known as trap music. Me, I came up more out of the battle rap scene and out of the, you know, go show your wares, kind of like a comic. You get up in front of everybody, do your shit, see what works, go home, readjust, come back next week. So when you do like a battle rap thing, we sign up?

How would that work? No, those days they just threw you in a pit. Oh, so you just met a guy for the first time. Yeah, you show up. I got my name. My nickname's Skunk, right? My nickname was Skunk, or my family called me Michael. My friends were the Unruly Scholars, and those guys were just East Coast rap.

One was from Connecticut, one was from South Carolina, but his family was from New York. They could rap their ass off. They were rocking when Big Daddy came in the same group. They defeated a lot of guys made better records and then one day there was this thing called green lights where people would play their music and then they'd be battling each other my homies didn't come and man you could just everybody who you thought was the homies homies was just shitting on them I'm like what the fuck

like this is my homies and my man Gerard Gigi McGee who I had just seen like a couple weeks ago he was the person that kind of pulled me out of knocking around in a trap trying to be a petty drug dealer into a studio. And he was the first person to say, yo, this kid could really rap. Like, you know, fuck that shit. I know he steals cars and he rides around doing hood rat shit with his ratchet friends, but he can really rap. Let's get him in. So he was the guy that started bringing me in. So it offended me.

They were talking about my friend like that, so I just started fucking off with their heads, battle rapping them. And a man named Double D called me killer that night. He said, his kid's a killer. Mike's a killer. And that's how I got the name Killer Mike. Ah, what a great story.

So the battle rap scene, you would just get tossed into a pit. And how much time would you get? This is in the 90s. This isn't like formal battle rap now. Like battle rap is evolved like boxing now. Like what I'm talking about is essentially cockfighting. So but like when you would battle rap, there would be no time limit.

No time. You just went. You just went. You just went until you won the crowd or the other guy shut the fuck up and walked away with his head down. What was a long battle rap? Man, that night, those guys were still, I literally took out four and five and six. And those guys were still trying to come at me before D, who was fucking built like you when we were children. You know what I mean?

It was like, it was obvious D knocked you the fuck out. Just told everybody, shut the fuck up. This kid won. So it was decided. All right. D spoken you know what I'm saying DJ Double D

gave me my gave me my rap name it gets heated man I've watched a bunch of them online dudes getting each other's faces man my my my DJ

DJ Trackstar keeps me up with the battle scene and I couldn't do it like as an older man I'm just saying to myself like yo I just

I would have fought somebody like straight the fuck up like as an older man I'm just saying to myself like yo I ought to just I ought to fault somebody like straight the fuck up like they man the disrespect is amazing it's amazing it's a martial art yeah

of sorts you know it's a mental martial art the ability to stay self disciplined enough not to wild out the ability to give in and take it

you know what I'm saying it's an art have you ever seen roast battle no roast battle is roast battles what they're doing with stand-up comics with the the same principle they go well they they prepare for it like sometimes like weeks out and they tell them who they're going to be battling against

they write a bunch of jokes about each other and just shit all over each other ruthless joke writing it's on comedy central rickles worthy-worthy shit. Ruthless shit. Just ruthless. That's what comedy should be. It is that. It's a rare place, that one spot where they're doing it like that, the roast battle, is a rare place because it's like pure joke writing and fucking meanness. I got to check that. That's what we call joning in the South. Joning?

Oh, yeah, joning. Yeah, I mean, joning the shit out of you. That's when you just, it's ruthless. Are you saying jaw-ling, like J-A-W? No, joning, like joning jone to joan yeah joning joning like joan the lady oh yeah yeah like joan but it's but it's i think it's spelled j-o-n-e not okay like john jones yeah so yeah and they call it jowling and there's parts like i think they call it that in dc too but um in cap in some other places but but it's called Jonin in the South. Man, they do over there Jonin, just talking bad about each other.

Yeah, with comics, it really is a martial art because you got to keep it together while this person's just ruthlessly shitting on your appearance and your life and ex-relationships and divorces. I mean, people are rude to us. Such is life, man. Life is real. Yeah. I got to give props out to us. Such is life, man. Life is real. Yeah. I got to give props out to my friend who's a comic, Lil Duval. Number one record with that Smile Bitch record. Lil Duval is one of those guys where, man, he's going to say some shit to you, man.

He's going to test you nuts. You know, he's going to hit you. You know what I mean? He's about this high, but his fucking ego is this big. And he's really good at talking shit. So I've heard him destroy some rooms. He, Stylebender,

who's like one of the best fighters in the UFC, he came out to that. Came out to that song in his last fight. Oh, the Smile Bitch? Yeah, Smile Bitch. That's a great fucking song.

I'm very proud of my friend, man. It's a great fucking song. It's a fun song. Any song Snoop jumps on is usually a great fucking record. And Stylebender, as he's getting ready to go into the octagon,

he was dancing. He was dancing to the song and then he got inside and he was dancing, having a getting ready to go into the octagon, he was dancing. He was dancing to the song. And then he got inside. He was dancing, having a good time. And then once the fight started, I don't know if you've ever seen him fight. He's in the Matrix. He's on another level.

Like, spectacular striker. Really? I got to see him. Lightning fast. Incredible timing. He's got creativity. He's loose in there. He gives you looks.

You don't know what the fuck is happening. Blam! You get head kicked. He's phenomenal. I gotta see this. He's one of the best in the world right now, up and coming. But he came out with that song. Yeah, I gotta check him out.

Israel Adesanya. Israel Adesanya. One of the best. He's fucking, if you love technique, you'll love watching that guy. Check him out. I like Silver for that reason. Yeah. Well, Anderson Silva and him are fighting.

Oh, shit. Yeah. I gotta see that. It's sort of a passing. How old is Anderson now? He's 40 years old, I believe. for that reason. Yeah. Well, Anderson Silva and him are fighting. Oh, shit. Yeah. It's sort of a passing. How old is Anderson now? He's 40 years old, I believe. Oh, shit. Yeah. It's probably one of his last fights.

I was about to say, how old do you think guys should be before they stop? Well, you know, Anderson is not a guy who engaged in trench warfare. He always fought very smart. He did. He didn't really take the kind of beatings that maybe a lot of guys that fought as long as him took he's very technical yeah very good at avoiding getting hit I mean he's been hit it's unavoidable yeah he's fighting the best in the world continually he got hit he got dropped by a couple people but it's not like most guys most guys that get to his amount of time in they're gonna get hit way more. I mean, his face looks exactly the same.

It looks perfect. He doesn't have a messed up face at all. You think about that guy, the fact that he fought the best of the best forever. His face isn't fucked up. I mean, that's all you need to know. Look at his face. Floyd, I tell people that about Floyd. Look at his face.

People hating it, man, with Floyd. I'm just like, yo Floyd. Look at his face. People hating it, man. With Floyd, I'm just like, yo, man. You know, defense is a part of boxing, too, man. And the ability not to get hit is a talent not a lot of people have. Dude, it's a part of everything. Yeah. It's part of life. But it's a part of jujitsu.

It's giant. Hicks and Gracie's number one principle. He's like, first, I defend. I'm always safe. No matter what. Always safe. Always safe. I'm always safe. No matter what. Always safe. Always safe. Always.

You can't do shit with him. There's certain guys that allow you. Hickson's one of them. He would allow black belts to take his back and put in a full rear naked choke with the hooks in. And they would start from there. Start from the closing sequence. Yeah.

You're at 10. Usually you're going to sleep. Exactly. And he would get out. That's amazing. Usually you're going to sleep. Exactly. And he would get out. That's amazing. And dudes couldn't tap him from there. Yo, shouts out to Wiz. Wiz.

Wiz Khalifa? Wiz Khalifa and cousin Breeze. Yeah, shouts out to Breeze. Breeze got into jujitsu and has brought Wiz into it. And it's now shamed me into going to. So at some point I'm going to pop up in a gym. I got to get you and Joey Diaz in a jujitsu class. It would be the greatest thing the world has ever known. I got to get this done to the shoulder.

I got to finish rehabbing. Kara is going to clear me when. What's going on with your shoulder? Rotator cuff surgery on both shoulders. Jesus. Yeah, but I can do this again now. Okay. Yeah, I can grab butt again.

They got you doing those elastic band exercises and all that stuff? Yeah, got those in the room. Did those this morning. Wiz put on a ton of muscle. Does. There's a photo of him pre and post, and it is truly impressive. I would not want to fuck with Wiz Khalifa right now. He's not just a thin, tall kid rapping.

He's fucking shredded. He is. His abs are ridiculous. He will give you kicks and take your bitch at this point. Have you seen his abs? They're ridiculous. Yeah, there's the thumbnail right there. They're huge, too.

Look at that. They're not just ripped. I'm going to stop slobbering soon. They're not just ripped. They're big. stop slobbering soon. They're not just ripped. They're big. Look at how much power is in the core. That's the advantage of going from skinny to big, though, versus me, where there's tons of muscle under here, but got to lose a lot of chubby to see it, baby. Well, your legs carrying around all that weight.

I've always thought if someone could lose weight once they're really heavy, they would have an advantage of their legs. Cavs are still good. But the legs are constantly Used to moving around With much more weight Now all of a sudden They don't have that weight It's like you've been

Backpack training Like look at the difference Well that's not as Good a difference It's hard to tell Still a big difference Still a difference For sure

Marshall Knox training My friend He goes to that Place in In Hollywood Jay's place Performance He goes to that place in Hollywood. Jay's place. Performance, what is it called?

Unbreakable? Yeah, something like that. The place is the shit, supposedly. It's like a semi-private place. You go in there like Chuck Liddell's working out in there. That makes sense because Wiz is like really rich. Yeah. In the black community, he's like white people rich is what we call him. White people rich.

He's on a very high level right now. God bless. Yeah. I we say in the black community, he's like white people rich is what we call it. White people rich. Yeah, he's on a very high level right now. God bless. Yeah. I like whiz. Well, if you did that to your body, that dude works hard. Well, I'm doing it. I'm doing it slower. I need to pick up the pace and go a full 90 days like you say, but I feel a lot better.

I just did a fucking Zappos running commercial. I felt like the king of the world. Did you? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I've been working out. Man, shouts out to Al Claiborne from Claiborne Fit FX. Now, I'm a former professional bodybuilder. Just teaching me kind of how to retrain my brain.

And when I'm not being lazy and really on it, I feel great. Sweat today so you don't regret today. The good thing about it, too, is with a guy like you, if you continue and you continue to lose weight and get healthier, you're going to inspire other people to do the same thing. Yeah. People that are your fans that go, fuck, man. Now I want to get my shit together. Yeah, because what you don't want to do is get rich, die,

and have some young Wiz Khalifa-like guy fucking on your wife. That's my daily mantra. That's a good mantra. I got a hot redhead wife, and I don't want to die, and all my money go to some young Stedman-like guy fucking on her. Young Stedman-like guy? Yeah, man. You want to have more energy.

Fuck it. You can do it. Yeah. Nah, no doubts. No doubts. But yeah, what you said is true. Get off the sugars. Get off the flowers.

Eat some meat and green shit. Drink water. That's it. That's it. And keep moving. Yeah. Yeah. Keep moving as much as you...

You ever use one of those Fitbits or any of those things? Nah, I got to do... I got to watch, man. Man, my man from Nike gave me a watch that I got to use. Those are good. Those are real good. It gives you numbers. So you look at the numbers and you get the metric of how hard you're working.

Yeah. I like that one that we were doing. What the fuck was it called again? The one that we did for the. My fitness. Yeah. My zone. My zone.

Yeah. Trying to convince my wife that having threesomes and foursomes is like circuit training. It is. She hasn't went for it yet. It'll definitely be a hormonal buildup. Yeah, but I'm going for it. I'm trying. I think next season on Trigger Warning, that's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to try to start a polygamous compound based on CrossFit. Man, that never goes right. Has anybody ever pulled off a compound? Yeah. Yeah, a few people. Quiet people pull it off. When you start to realize that your uncle and your aunt and her best friend aren't uncle, aunt, and best friend. Like, oh, shit, aunt had two wives.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But if you get loud about it, it's always going to go bad. Right. If people know about it, by the time they know about it, it's already gone bad. Right? So there might be a lot of them laughing at us right now. We know how to do it.

Yeah, exactly. We just keep our shit together and don't tell everybody. Just stay low. Did you see Wild Wild Country? I did not see Wild Wild Country. They bought a town. They took over a town, a whole cult. They started just importing people.

They brought them in on buses. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, they took over a town. Yeah, these, what was his name? I forget the guy's name. I forget. Was it an East Indian was his name? I forget the guy's name. I forget. Was it an East Indian guy? Yes.

Raj Nish. Say it again into the mic. Raj Nish. Yeah. He had another name, though. Were they making like textiles or something up there or some shit? I think I may have seen part of this high at three in the morning. I don't remember what the fuck they were doing for jobs.

I was just paying attention to how they got these people in there. They took homeless people and they shipped them out there on buses so they could vote from the town. They gave them jobs and identities. And these people were extremely happy. That was crazy. I'm sure some of them were troubled. But for a lot of them, they finally had a sense of purpose. They'd just been taken into this place as family.

So they made Utah. They basically made a town in Utah. I've always respected them. I did see part of this movie. Geek at 3 in the morning like, oh, shit. Crazy, dude. Why is it that white hippie-like people trust brown people with beards so much? Well, they want to believe in enlightenment and in all the media portrayals of enlightenment and all of, you know, when people talk about mystical experiences they had in India. It's always that part of the world that emphasizes spirituality and the idea that the Hindu religion

is a more ancient, more complex spiritual religion as opposed to... So the Indian yogi figure is the white Jesus figure of white people. Yes, 100%. So for white people who don't know, white Jesus in the black community is a mythical creature that has enormous power, right? It's insane for anyone to believe in a deity that doesn't look like them, right? But in the black community, we're just in love with Renaissance paintings and Jesus is white as fuck. All right.

So we have the same infatuation that your weird hippie aunt has with Indian men with long beards and their mysticism. We have that with white Jesus. So you've just helped me understand. Wow. Because I've always wondered, like, what the fuck is it up with white people and East Indian people? Because Vikram, who directed Trigger Warning, also has a documentary where he creates a fake religion and convinces

white middle class people to follow him. That is a crazy one. The white Jesus one, right? White Jesus is a motherfucker, bruh. Like, man, I'm going to get me a shirt that says white jesus one right oh white jesus is a motherfucker bruh like hey man i'm gonna get me a shirt that says white people want stay woke and and what i mean that is western civilization it it it's this is the latest phase like people have to understand there have been many empires and civilizations there was a time where molly in africa and kim in africa were the biggest civilizations and colonizers on earth. Later Persia, biggest, like you've had systems. And

right now the West has just for the last thousand years or so has been kicking and dominating ass. A lot of what we see on the news between the West and what we call the Middle East now, what was once Western Persia, Western Asia, this is thousands of years war. You know, you're hearing Islam versus Christianity, but it's really two ideologies that have been fighting for thousands of years over how the globe should be governed. So with that shit, man, it's like there's no there's no stopping this shit. But white Jesus springs out of that and kind of goes everywhere and colonizes everything. So, you know, the church pops up with candy for kids, Bibles for you. And by the way, we're going to be gone a while, but we're going to leave this guy here on the wall so you know what the ideal, what God's son looks like.

So if God's son looks like a doobie brother, then so does God. God looks like Jim Morrison. Jim Morrison with a full beard. Yeah, straight the fuck. Wow. Wow. Yeah. jim morrison with a full beard yeah straight the fuck you know wow wow yeah it's really jesus was probably a tan guy with dark hair and curly curly hair and you know and brown eyes that was saying shit that the government and the church didn't like so they knocked him the fuck off

you know why do you think that each race looks for someone of another race to be their advisor because i don't think people trust the divinity in themselves. You know, I think, I think that once you understand that as human beings, we really only look different because of subtle differences and atmosphere and change and you know, who you mix with when,

but I think that all those books that our moms paid Oprah to sell us of self help and inward looking Reverend Ike had told my grandmother's generation that in the 70s. You know what I mean? And I think that we're scared to turn off the lights and at some point see something divine within ourselves. Because once you do that, that requires you act differently. And I think that people need to be told what to do. Not that they actually need it, but they want to be instructed, you know, versus knowing or going on a gut feeling or experimenting and getting something wrong.

You know, my grandfather was one of the most kind, moral men I've ever met. He was always gentle with children. He only put a belt in my butt twice in my life. And shit, I think he cried harder than that. Same man at 14 years old shot a man at church for kicking his bike down. than not. Same man at 14 years old shot a man at church for kicking his bike down. He grew up in between 14 and 54 when I was born. And he had experiences that he had learned to regret. And he had dealt with that. And he had

become something that by the time I was a child and he was raising me, my grandfather was divine in my eyes almost. Not because he was perfect, because he was genuinely good and moral. But as a 14-year-old boy who had grown up fatherless, who dropped out of school in the third grade, and who understood that I must protect my mothers and sisters, he refused to be bullied by anyone, even an adult, to the point of putting a bullet in him. You know what I mean? So I think that a lot of times we're afraid to see that divinity in ourselves also,

because then you have to acknowledge the darkness darkness and you have to deal with that. And it's easier to get instructed by someone else. And it's easier to see the evil is outside, too. It's easier to see that is something I can't control. It just happens versus I'm complying and I'm complicit in it. It's also a consequence of one of the things that bothers me the most when people talk about people that commit crimes or think about people that commit crimes, so much of who a person is is a consequence of things that had nothing to do with them. Absolutely. They could have been born in a terrible neighborhood to horrible parents and been abused sexually and physically.

And by the time you get to them, their life is already a mess. It's a shambles. And for you to try to think that they are going to look at life and just figure it out with no assistance whatsoever, it's crazy. It doesn't work like that. One of the weirder things about our culture is that we haven't put more of an emphasis in finding the spots that are the ghettos and the terrible neighborhoods in this country and figuring out a way to build them up.

Absolutely. Just make it even. We know. Figure out a way. We know unequivocally where jobs and commerce are present and economic opportunity and prosperity occur, there's a dramatic reduction in elimination and gang violence. Yeah. Yet we do not put resources into building institutions that will create entrepreneurs or work on a soft skill so the kids can be working at and around production houses, studios.

We put that money into prisons. And then we use prison labor to undercut things like call centers, things like that, jobs, I mean, that factories may need. And we're doing a disservice by doing that. We, and I always say we, because we look to our quote unquote leaders and blame them when so many times we allow it, you know, we allow this to happen by not paying attention and not voting. We allow it to happen by not raising our voice,

even though we know someone in prison and saying this is wrong. You know, the last people, I don't believe, just for the record, I don't believe in the big three, the Abrahamic religions. I'm not into them. But the books I've read, and they're amazing graphic novels. I kind of read them like a graphic novel of sorts, right?

And when you look at the people who Christ died with, right, he was up there with thieves. The last person he saved before he got out of here was a thief, was a confessed thief, was dying right next to him. And he was like, you know, we don't go on this together. That's that's an amazing thing. So as you're serving your savior or your Messiah, you need to be thinking about who he spent his time with. You know, he was with liars and thieves.

He was in the streets. He was with people who alleged to be prostitutes. And I think that if we start to turn our attention to those places and we put our intentions in good there, we do produce on the other side better. But as long as we look at religion as something that makes us holy, makes us clean, washes us of our sins, and we become pious in that, I think religion will be something that's forever kind of harmful and help to create that. And I think that believing that some people are good or evil doesn't allow us to say, well, what could we do to fix those ghettos, to fix those depressed areas? Because for every ghetto where I'm from, for every ghetto that's in a city in the south, I can show you a mountainous region with a trailer park that's just as bad.

For sure. And those kids deserve a life better than Oxycontin addiction and turmoil and pain, too. You're right, 100%. 100%. And I feel like there's money to and turmoil and pain, too. You're right, 100%. 100%. And I feel like there's money to be made doing it, too. I mean, I feel like there's jobs. I feel like it's an ignored resource. Yes.

Yes. I follow a kid named Turbo Jesus. Follow a kid named Turbo Jesus in Alabama, man. I'll follow anybody named Turbo Jesus. His name's Turbo Jesus. This kid, listen to me, man. He's amazing, man. I believe you.

I'm not a big—Confederate flag just doesn't bother me as much. Not saying that you had a past. I've lived with it so long, it's just kind of like – Were you shocked that all of a sudden it became a bad thing, like with Dukes of Hazzard and all that? Well, I was a Dukes of Hazzard. I have pictures of me with the General Lee on a shirt, right? I'm not surprised because my thing with the Confederate flag is that side laws.

Right. So you're flying a loser's flag. So it just never really bothered me. But as I got older, the drama that's been placed around it has been amazing because if I'm not going to change Robert E. Lee, the school's name, I'm not going to really be able to change. It's going to be here. You know, as a Southerner, you just kind of step. It's going to be here. As a Southerner, you just got to accept it's going to be there. But Turbo Jesus is a kid I saw following. So my natural assumption is

typical redneck kid, right? Hella talent. He can fix anything with the motor on it. He makes these amazing katana-like swords out of wrenches, right? He's just an amazing kid. But I see him rallying against kids that uphold that flag and upholding anything that feels like racism or nationalists.

And he's just one of the most morally good kids I've ever seen running around. And he's an ally and he doesn't look like stereotypically anything you would expect. But that's the great part of this to me. The great part of all this country is, you know, as polar opposites as people try to make, say, a UNI, here we are together as equals. You know, here we are together engaging one another as equals, and we don't look like one another.

We're not from the same places. And I think there's just a whole bunch of opportunity in that. You know, I think that there's money to be made in promoting that versus promoting division and fear. And so absolutely, you should be, there is money in helping children be better there there is and there's and if we're going to live in a capitalist system be a compassionate capitalist and be the best you possibly can because we need more of you you know but just seems like something like in terms of something that we think about as a civilization we don't

think about neighborhood rebuilding no it's not a primary concern even though one of the biggest problems we have is with crime and violence if you ask people what's the two biggest things you're afraid of it's crime and violence next be car accidents and cancer yeah yeah and but crime and violence you could severely mitigate yeah you can see if you had all these community programs if you think about the amount of if they i bet if they calculated out probably a wash the amount of money you'd spend to fix things versus the amount of money you would save by not having as much crime i agree roxanne shantae i saw her and i don't know shit so i'm just guessing it sounds hey anything is better than just building more prisons yeah

yeah well that's the scariest shit we got going on the idea that someone's profiting off of putting people in cages and that they also lobby to make sure that there's more laws in the books. I told Larry King earlier today that I'd rather stop arguing over the Second Amendment with people that I should be arguing for amendment of the 13th Amendment with. We should stop arguing over guns and we should start to say, why does our 13th Amendment have a loophole that allows for slavery? That says slavery is illegal except for. Yeah, people have no idea how much prisoners get paid to work. When they were working on the fires,

what was, I think it was $2 or something? Some fucking insane amount of money they pay them. And when they get out of prison, they are not allowed to be firemen. Oh, Jesus Christ. Is that real? Yeah, it's real. Like, because you're a felon.

For every crime? I'm not saying for everyone. Any felony, you can't be a fireman? I can't say any. But a lot of the guys I've known that have gotten out of prison have not been allowed to apply for the fire department. There's different felonies, right? There's felonies. Non-violent felonies.

Drug selling. California is paying inmates $1 an hour. Holy shit. Not even $2. felonies yeah drug selling california is paying inmates one dollar an hour holy shit not even two dollars your life is worth 99 pennies plus one just stop and think about fighting fires for 10 hours you make 10 that's insane that is that but not only is that slavery that might be worse than slavery because what ten dollars an hour isn't even going to buy you food. That's less than Walmart pays now. But it's less money to work all day than you could feed yourself.

There's no way. This is the white guy saying this. That's what I try to tell people. People talk shit when I was coming on here. I was like, yo, man, the guy's an ally. I appreciate you saying that because that's true. And it's not just black guys is poor white people. I almost wish I could have a convention with to say we got the same masters. They're saying this right here. More than 2000 volunteer inmate firefighters and they volunteered, including 58 youth offenders are battling wildfire flames through California. Inmate firefighters serve a vital role, clearing thick brush down to bare soil

to stop the fire spread. I wonder, do they get better service for that? Do they get out earlier? Nope. I don't think so. I don't think so. I would hope they do, but if we're paying them a dollar an hour, what do we care? We are, though, the public

should be up in arms about that. Well, they're obviously trusting those guys to not run, too. Because when you're chopping down bushes out there, when there's a fire going on, nobody knows what the fuck is happening. It's chaos. But where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? Yeah.

And then when they get you, shit. A dollar an hour. Just how insane is that? You know something else we do in our prisons that's cruel and brutal? We put people in a box for 23 hours a day. Yeah. Let them out for an hour to walk into space. Yeah.

You're driving them crazy. Yeah. That's what you're doing. Yeah. You're fucking with their senses to the point where they're going crazy. Absolutely. Or they get solitary. I have friends that have been solitary.

They talk to you about solitary and they're just there for themselves. With your own mind. Day after day after day. Yeah. I remember going to in-school suspension not being able to talk about to go fucking nuts

after three hours. You know? So imagine being in Georgia State Correction in solitary. Exactly. When you're a little kid you can't shut the fuck up

for anything. Coach Dollar used to tell you know he used to be on us like shut the fuck. Cameron Dollar won 1995 UCLA. He played point guard for them when they won national championship. His dad was the coach at our high school.

His dad was the basketball coach, and he saw off the end school. And I stayed in end school. Oh, man, I knew his dad like a fucking player. I couldn't play any basketball. I'd just be sitting there quiet. He'd be reading the paper just like, I can't wait to get the fuck out of here, man. Coach Dollar don't let us say shit. That's how I knew I didn't want to go to prison.

Thank you, Coach Dollar. Shouts out to Cam. Not talking to anybody for just a couple of days would be enough to drive you crazy. Now, imagine some people that have been locked in the hole for like eight months. They do that to people. Yeah, they do. I mean, isn't that what they did to Chelsea Manning? Yeah, didn't they?

Yes. That's exactly what they did, I think. I forgot yeah didn't they yes that's exactly what they did i think i forgot what her original name was as do i i forgot no it's not what you might you might you might get played yeah i'm gonna say you might i want to say piece of shit it's always been chelsea but yeah she um i think they locked her in the hole for like 10 months damn yeah no talking no nobody just by yourself fuck you by yourself that's crazy i mean you could break someone's I think they locked her in the hole for like 10 months. Damn. Yeah, no talking. Nobody. Just by yourself. Fuck you.

By yourself. That's crazy. I mean, you could break someone's brain. Easy. Easy. I heard a people's brain gets broken on a good edible. I watched First 48. I see motherfuckers' brain get broken 15 minutes to cigarettes and a honey bun. That's another reason I tell kids don't commit crimes with your homies man watch first 48 you're gonna see everything go bad man for a

newport yeah there's so many fucking crimes so many laws that don't don't need to exist poverty we in poverty we fix crime when i fix a fuck load of it, that's for sure. There'll still be sociopaths and greedy people. You're going to have that, but far less than crimes of opportunity like robbing moms of their purses at gas stations, carjackings. You're not going to see stolen cars. You're not going to see burglaries. You're not going to see that if you start to have an influx of, you know, we need to bring a lot of stuff back to America. We need to start making shit again. We need to start buying shit we make again.

We need to, you know, we need to start refocusing on what we could be doing in-house, I think. I think that would certainly help us. I don't know what we could do to sort of promote that idea. It's nothing that ever gets discussed in any political discussion. Like, whenever there's some debates going on or whenever there's... Because we're being given an agenda. Yeah, but nobody ever thinks of that one aspect

of our culture, the weakest aspect of our culture economically. We don't really consider it. You just look at it as a source of crime. It's a statistic. We look at it as though it's something that just is, like it has to be. But it doesn't have to be like that. Well, especially if we know history.

Yeah, and the television show, that's all I'm really trying to say. Like, there are other alternatives. There are other ways to try this. And we could. You can try to fix homelessness without criminalizing being homeless. Right? We know that most men that are homeless have some types of mental illness or schizophrenia. So that means that we've broken down and we're not taking care of the mentally ill in a way

that we should be or could be. So if you start to fix that, you start to fix that kind of homelessness. We know that women and children, we know why they're on the street. And we know that if they're subsidized into these type of affordable housing apartments in the city, the kids have the opportunity to go to better schools, to become better parts of society in terms of having the networks and resources. We know the mothers are closer to work, can be home, but we don't do that. We build cities like right now. We're developing Atlanta, and we've been promised a certain amount of workspace in the city for working class people, for poor people. Some of the developers aren't doing what they say they do.

And because you do that, you start to increase the things that are blights on us. You know, we just have to be really committed to it and do it. That's it. And once we do it, it's done. You know, but if we keep acting like it's not happening and complaining about poverty and crime and war and not doing anything. It's just the cycle never stops. And that's the insanity I really don't understand.

Yeah, well, everybody feels like it's somebody else's job. Everybody feels like. It doesn't work like that. Yeah, and everybody feels like, well, you just got to get out of that neighborhood. Nah, that doesn't work. That's what I was. Roxanne Shante talked about re-entrification. She said, you know, she doesn't want to hear people keep complaining about gentrification. When the kids that are leaving these neighborhoods, whether they sing, dance, rap or not, or just go get good jobs and go be decent human beings, you should be re-entering your neighborhoods.

You should be buying houses or pieces of land there. One of the most impressive things, one of my favorite players is John Stockton. And I don't know if it's true or not, but I read a story that he actually bought a house right on the street he grew up in.

So in the off season, he'd go back essentially home with his kids. So they'd had some type of normalization to their life. We should be doing that. You know,

T.I. and I have bought properties together in the same neighborhoods we grew up in. We're developing things like restaurants and stuff. I'd like to see more athletes and rappers become the merchant and business class in that way. And I'd like to see people who grew up in neighborhoods move back to those neighborhoods they grew up in, like the typical iconic American dream.

You know, you can build another 8,000 square feet in the back of your A-frame house if you want to. another 8,000 square feet in the back of your A-frame house if you want to. But you shouldn't be going to 50, 60 minutes outside the city and then complaining about the blight of the city because you took yourself away. You took the talent and the resources away. Do you think that everyone should feel that way, though? I mean, do you feel like you have to be committed to the city that you grew up in or couldn't you want to just get the fuck out of there and go somewhere different? There's nothing wrong with getting the fuck out.

But you just think you should go back and support it. Yeah, it's like I tell kids in college when they say, Mike, what can we do? Kids in college, when you go speak at college, you say, well, what can we do? Kids want to inspect the world. Very easy. Find a kid in high school. Tutor that kid. Make sure they replace you at this university or another.

That's it. You're just replanting a seed. If you grow food, you don't grow the same land year after year after year. You have to give that land a break, retill it. You know what I'm saying? And it's kind of like the neighborhood. So you don't have to stay in the same neighborhood your whole life. You don't have to feel like I never went anywhere or escaped anywhere.

But you do have to don't sell your mother's house. Rent it to your cousin. Let your younger sister stay. But don't sell your mother that piece of land was worked for the blood, the toil, the soil it means something and it should and for working class people especially

it keeps your neighborhood and communities more like the ones that made you be a good human being so I think that there's something most people don't leave the town they grew up in they move to the other side or they move to the suburbs. Most people are most people marry somebody they knew. You know, I'm saying my thing is make the best of it.

Don't let it keep becoming the worst. A man named Mr. John, my wife and I own barbershops. People don't know we own these things called the shade washing room shops. We have one in State Farm Arena where the Atlanta Hawks play. We have a flagship store on Edgewood Avenue. where the Atlanta Hawks play. We have our flagship store on Edgewood Avenue. Edgewood Avenue was once, and Auburn Avenue,

were once the centers of black Atlanta in terms of commerce and retail and money. Atlanta Life Insurance Company was there. You guys Google some of this stuff. This is big-time shit. This isn't the old narrative of we've never had nothing because that's not the truth. Atlanta was a very rich city for African Americans. Still is.

On this street, used to be owned by African-Americans. The storefronts in there, their children, after these people died off, sold the buildings off and sold it for cheap. And I know this because a man named Mr. John, who runs a grocery store there, stopped me one day. He said, you know, Michael, after we're gone in this neighborhood, it's been gentrified and everything's different. They're going to come along and say that white people stole this from us. And he said, that's not true. He say the children of the people that were here left and they never came back because they didn't think what their parents built was good enough.

Oh, man, it killed me. Because that is not just black people. That's Americans, period. We have gotten to a point where we are unappreciative. We are entitled and we don't think what happened before us was good enough. So we don't treasure it. We don't honor it. We don't reinvest in it.

That could be a farm in Milledgeville. That could be a house in Adamsville. But we have to do a better job of appreciating ourselves, appreciating our community, and then appreciating our greater community. And you have to do a better job of appreciating ourselves, appreciating our community, and then appreciating our greater community. And you have to reenter. You have to reentrify that. You have to be a part of whatever gentrification happens to make sure that your stake is still there and that what you care about from a morals and civil perspective represented there. My uncle, my uncle John Blackman, who was a huge influence on me, died and had a five-car garage where he did transmissions and stuff.

And I begged my aunt to sell it. Please, I don't want you. I know they're going to come. The Beltline's coming. But please sell it to me. I didn't want my uncle's building, you know, for to go to strangers and become, you know, an apartment complex or something. And I walked in your building. I seen your building.

I said, wow, I know what I'm gonna do with with it now i've had it for like three years now i just i just had it but i didn't never knew what i wanted to do but you were like yo you need somewhere to go every day your building is impressive i'm like yo i'm just gonna just make my uncle's building my offices right and i'll figure out a way to make a lot of money off of it i mean i've already made a lot of money which is and leaving me to buy it but it's important to me that as this neighborhood turns into hipster land, because it's definitely going to be, it's just going to be black hips. It's going to be like chocolate hipster land.

I just wanted to make sure that there's still some chocolate working class in there. And sometimes they're going to go buy coffee and there's going to be a loud ass muscle car and lots of marijuana smoke blowing out of it. So they'll know that, you know, my uncle's nephew's still in town. Well, you've got a a great combination of work ethic a sense of community and you got a business perspective i don't have a business perspective i'm done with shit my wife my wife your wife is doing it all well she taught yeah but you seem to know what the fuck you're talking about you've got a pretty good roadmap yeah you

know i have zero of that. Zero business perspective. You have the discipline to go to the gym every day. I do have that. That's what I got to do. But I'm crazy. I'm going to the gym to try to silence demons forever. I had, man, failing was the best thing that ever happened to me. I think for everybody.

Some people get stuck at their failure, and they become bitter, and they become envious. They become hateful, at least out of my community. Yeah, they can. But failure can be one of the best things that ever happens to you. Failing and having to learn to become a business person, I'm very thankful for. Removed from the failure now. Don't you think that about your rap career as well? That's what I was talking about.

Oh, from a business perspective as well i failed yeah at rap first you know i was a good rapper but outcasts of criminal records my my my first record that went gold at a time where every other record was going 10 million it was a fair it didn't work right it didn't work for me so i had to go to texas and people like chameleon Aaron Paul Wall, Bun B, Zero, Slim Thug, Trade of Truth, right? People like Flip and Hump. These people taught me how to press up my own CDs, put them in the marketplace, sell them at profit, reinvest and sell. They taught me that and selling drugs, you know, in the trap. They taught me the rudimentary fundamentals of business and when i met my wife

i can remember dating two three four five little hot chicks and her just mentally being you know my wife called her like right freshman year college but just mentally she was light years ahead of everyone because her grandmother had raised her in that way grandmother had a shot house right you know ran a show like a chitlin circuit you're like you go get a shot for two dollars on sundays because the south the South is a weird place. We didn't used to sell alcohol on Sundays. So my wife, I recognize, had a sharper mind than me for business. What I had was good ideas for what would sell or what would be well in the marketplace.

And what she had was a discipline. Did you have any failures in your business practice? Yeah, man. First few years I had a barbershop, I wanted to kill every barber I knew. Barbers are like independent rappers you know everyone wants to be more famous than they need to be and they're artists barbers want to be famous yeah barbers like being famous i mean they're artists yeah they're artists absolutely yeah and they should be you know what i mean but um with that said man it can just be frustrating you know one barber comes in one day like i want to wear a glitter cape today.

And the next barber's coming like, yeah, I want to cut hair in the nude. I want to use your shop to do it. And you're like, bro, it doesn't work like that. Like this is the right. But I had to learn for us that the booth rent model, like you paying booth rent and us not making any more profit, that doesn't it. So we had to kind of say, well, what does Supercuts do? What does Great Clips do? Oh, you want it by commission and then you split. That means they have to be there. And that's how we kind of learned business. When we got an offer from the Hawks

to put our place in the space of the arena and we want to be in more arenas, we started to understand, okay, this is how you do business business. This is not just how you make two to $4,000 extra a month and that's just some good income for your wife to be able to enjoy. But this is how you start to say, more than a barbershop, this is a lifestyle and retail brand. We happen to barber. But if you're a guy, I don't like going to the beauty shops

or beauty stores to buy my brushes or buy my combs or if you want to get a little gray out of your beard, you know, you don't want to be in the RX section of your local Walmart or your like, hey, where do I get the gray for my beer? Because I want to go get hot young chicks, you know, you want to go shop. And so we develop products. We have cool stuff. You can just buy it right there.

And we've learning to be business people. And hopefully I would like to become the Chick-fil-A barbershops. I'd like for people to want to want to have us in their town and pay us a lot of money to come. Well, it's a man's hangout, too. And, man, you can say anything you want, and no one judges. You can talk. You can watch Joe Rogan talk shit. You know what I mean?

Yeah, barbershops are uniquely masculine. They are. Like beauty shops are for girls. Girls can go into a beauty shop and get their nails done and know there's not going to be any men there. They can talk all kinds of crazy shit. That's one of the reasons why they like it. And the women that do come to barbershops are some of the best shit talkers. So even they fit in.

Right. Yeah. No barbershop is as exciting as one that has those two or three women customers that are just prime shit talkers. How much, if any, are you paying attention to things like cryptocurrencies? DJ Vlad has taught me a lot about stocks, so much to the point that I bought my wife thousands of dollars in stocks for Christmas. She cried. She cried when I showed her the wedding band that I bought because I never really got a

wedding band and said, I really want to show you I'm dedicating myself to you and this is never coming off. So at the beginning of Christmas, she cried when she saw my wedding band. And at the end, she cried when I said, I never want you to be fully dependent upon me or feel that way. So here's a lot of stock. And she cried like a baby. I called Vlad like, that shit works, bro. I'm going to get a threesome, bro.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm learning about, and I just put lots of money into S and P five hundreds, but I don't know a lot about cryptocurrency and stuff. I'm learning how to have money. I'm fascinated by them. Uh, D the idea of a decentralized economy, you know,

cause we're always, the whole thing has always been about the, the amount of money that banks control. If you just stop and think about what goes on with the Federal Reserve and what goes on with all the money and how much a dollar is worth overseas, the balance of it all, if there was something that we could all rely on that wasn't controlled by any gigantic group of people

that have a vested interest in profiting off of this pile of money, if it was some sort of a Bitcoin-like thing, it would be a really different world. Yeah. Really, really different. Yeah. It would. It would.

It'd be different if the world was moneyless. It'd be different if there was a gold standard again. It'd be a lot of differences. But the question becomes, is the banking mafia of sorts ever going to let that happen? And what happens? How could they stop it? Well. It's like stopping the internet at this point.

So you think it's coming. You think we're going to get the cryptocurrency. I think it's eventually going to be. What are we going to throw in the strip clubs? It's going to take a few. Yeah, it's going to be Bitcoin. That's a question, correct? Right?

You can't throw coins in clubs. It's true. Yeah. Well, can you? Yeah. Well, you. Yeah. Pieces of paper that tell you how much to earn?

Exchange on your way in. Yeah, that's what will happen. I'm not cash-haffing no ass, bro. Bitcoin will become like dollar bills that will represent Bitcoin like a black dollar bill with a gold, like a shiny gold leaf lettering. That would be dope. Did you make a shit ton of money with Bitcoin? No.

No. We made some of it for Fight for the Forgotten charity They build wells for the pygmies In the Congo, my friend Justin Wren He lives in the Congo for six months out of the year building wells And so Fight for the Forgotten We raised

We raised a bunch of money through this thing called the Cash App Every time someone signs up, $5 goes to Fight for the Forgotten Gotcha And we got some Bitcoin that we raised that went to them, too. So wells got built because of that. He's built, I don't know how many wells. Did you say like 18 wells they built for the Pygmies? They're constantly building new ones.

Because the Pygmies need fresh water. Yeah, he's a fighter. He fights for Bellator. He's one of their top heavyweights. Dope shit. And goes over to Africa and lives in the Congo with the Pygmies. That's fucking dope. Yeah. Man, Africa and lives in the Congo with the pygmies. That's fucking dope. Yeah.

Man, he lives there in the village for months. He's gotten malaria three times. Almost died from it. That's some dedication. He's one of the nicest people that's ever walked the face of the planet. That's fucking nuts. So did he do the malaria shots and shit and still catch malaria? I do not know.

I'm doing a first trip to Africa next year. So as a black guy, I feel it's important I go. I don't want to catch malaria. do not i'm doing first trip to africa next year so you know as a black guy i feel it's important i go i don't want to catch malaria that's him back there wow yeah they call him the big pig me that's amazing yeah nicest guy that's ever lived those are wow yeah i mean the guy goes there for six months a year it amazing. All those people in the picture would have looked like they're related to me. Yeah, it's pretty cool, man. He's got some great videos on Fight for the Forgotten.

That's beautiful. Where you can see the wells being built and the water coming out. I got to check that out. You can send me the link. Yeah, for sure. Dope.

For sure. What were we talking about? How do we get up to this? Well, cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrency. Oh, yeah. So we raised some money for him through Bitcoin as well. But I think that it's...

Give me some advice. I don't know enough about it. I'm an idiot. Just on anything. On anything money related. Because you have an Icon Jeep, so I know you have more money than me at this point. I just work a lot. You know what?

That was such grandfatherly. It's true. That's the shit my grandfather was saying But I'm not a big I'm not a big investor I'm not very smart I got you I have people handling

That kind of stuff But you do work a lot But I don't pay attention to anything I don't feel as guilty now Yeah I do too many things I've gotten myself to the place Where I know exactly

What I have to pay attention to And what I don't And what I don't have to pay attention to Is just gone Robert Polay My accountant Has made it pretty easy for me. It's literally a graph. This is a dollar

you make. This is what goes into savings. This is what goes into investment. This is what you and Shea were investing in real estate. This is for retirement. So now everything that comes in I already know. So it's like when they call us and say like hey you guys got a $500,000 a day. I just know that I'm not going home with

$250,000 because asset management commissions, my wife and my accountant already chopped that shit up. So I'm just like, I got enough money to buy a Camaro. Yeah. I don't like to think about that. I have to think about that. Because I'm black.

And shit ain't been too good if you ain't got money. If you poor and black, if you poor, America's fucked up. and black if you poor america's fucked up Yeah, if you poor and black america's fucked up with a dildo in your ass So, you know my whole shit is let me take care of my money because my grandpa, you know, my grandmother's her family owned land They started as sharecroppers, but because they owned land she could she could become educated because they could sell the stuff They grew to stores and produce markets and stuff. So she they they were Methodist, so she got to go to school. My grandfather's mother owned no land.

So my grandfather had to work in a bread factory and cotton mills and shit. So I knew the difference between ownership and, you know, the advantages of having something in it. So it's something I kind of obsess on because I don't want my children to endure poverty. And I grew up working class. My wife, she jokes, but she says it a lot. She's from housing projects in Savannah, and her grandmother and mother worked. They were out of there. But she says to me all the time, you were spoiled.

You were a little rich kid. I'm like, what are you talking about? She's like, you had a fucking RV. I'm like, I lived in an A-frame house. She's like, I don't care. Your grandparents couldn't afford an RV. You guys went on vacation. You were spoiled.

You know what I mean? So I understand money means a lot. And it doesn't mean everything to me, but it helps to afford me to be able to take care of my children. I completely understand it. But I don't really give a shit. Like, on a daily basis, I'm more like you. But you think about businesses. You think about starting businesses and forming businesses how do you have the time to do that and write and perform and all the other shit that you do

because enabled what the business has enabled me to enjoy writing and performing when i had to rap when there was no choice um it it wasn't as fun anymore okay Okay. Because the pressure was, am I going to chart? Can I make this much money? Will the record? Versus, you know, if I have a couple of streams of revenue coming in, you know, it makes it a little more relaxed. And my art is freer that way, you know. Ooh, I like that answer.

That's a great answer. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, actually. Yeah, to free yourself up creatively so that all you have to think about when you're doing that, you're just doing what you want to do. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's it.

Yeah, man. That's ideal. That's wise. That's the goal. Yeah. A lot of people talk a lot of shit about billionaires. They like and they want to be. And there are tons of billionaires from the nerdy sexy of Bill Gates to the wild, dope, eccentric sexy of Elon Musk to the OGs of Warren Buffett and shit.

I like Ted Turner. I like Ted Turner as well. Ted was the guy who got nine, got snookered out of six, ended up with one or two. And it's like, man, I'm living my fucking life growing bison, eating good meat, wearing a fucking cowboy hat with my funky mustache. He was such a good owner of teams in our city when he owned the teams. He was a great man with TVS. He did a lot of good.

If a billion is the new style, I want to be a billionaire. But if having a lot of money is a standard, I'd like to be the quirky, eccentric guy like Ted. He always seemed free to me. Yeah, especially once he got rid of Jane Fonda. Hey man, shout out to this. When he married Jane Fonda, the South, boy, we thought it was –

oh, man, it was like the city of Atlanta had went back to gone with the wind. It was just amazing again. It was people were strutting around. You know Jane Fonda's virtually our first lady. Wow. You know, people start to – but she was a nice lady to the city. David Justice and Holly Berry were

interesting, too. Not as interesting as Ted Turner. A handsome bastard. He was. Handsome billionaire. One motherfucker, what was it?

What's the yachting of anyone? I don't know. The yachting, he got in the yachting out of nowhere. America's Cup? Was that America's Cup?

Was it? Was that right? Ted Turner lived a life that Ralph Lauren puts on t-shirts. Yeah, he looks like a billionaire in a movie, too. He does, man. He looks like some great Gatsby-type billionaire. He does. He does, man.

Some guy who's a wise billionaire, brings you into his study, and you have a scotch with him on ice. Exactly. He explains shit to you, and you're like, what in the fuck? Shouts out to Ted, man. I know you don't get your love like a lot of the other guys. I think he lays in the cut. He explains shit to you, and you're like, what in the fuck? Shouts out to Ted, man. I know you don't get your love like a lot of the other guys. I think he lays in the cut. He does. He's a fucking Montana growing bison.

He's out there chilling. The man rebounded the population of bison so he could cook them and eat them. Get the fuck out of here. That's badass, man. Look at those overalls. Respect. That's how my fucking grandfather dressed, with the same mustache. That's what I want to be.

Like, when I think about making 21 million and escaping the game and shit, this is me. Like, maybe overalls and a Braves cap, but this is it. Now, let me ask you this. How far away from him are dudes with machine guns at all times? But he's in fucking Montana. Yeah, but so what? I can drive to Montana. Who wants to kill Ted Turner?

You can drive to Montana. Who wants to kill him? No one wants to kill Ted Turner? You can drive to Montana. Who wants to kill? No one wants to kill Ted Turner. Get somebody. Bro, no one wants to kill. I would imagine he has two snipers. He probably has two snipers, say east and west, and he has one guy within a few feet of him, but very relaxed.

I don't think Ted's walking around like Gaddafi. You think you get to a certain point. Didn't work out well for Gaddafi. No, it didn't work out well for him. He was hanging around with the wrong dudes. You think you get to a certain point. Didn't work out well for Gaddafi. No, it didn't work out well for him. He was hanging around with the wrong dudes. Damn, OG. That last video of Gaddafi, that is one of the most disturbing videos in all of human history.

To see him realize that they got him. It's over. And then that guy shoves that knife up his ass, and he's barely even reacting to it. He's in a state of shock. You got to understand people who are not of a certain age, man. These were the villains when we were young, manbachev qaddafi castro like when you start didn't and i'm not saying i agree or don't agree i'm just saying they were gave get given to us as the villains yeah i never thought qaddafi could go out the way he went out bad we

saw a couple guys go out like that but that was the craziest one because that was him getting caught by rebels and then executing him on the spot. They didn't even wait. They didn't even wait. They're like, fuck this trial. We're going to kill this guy right now. They threw his body on the hood of the car and they're driving around with it. Like a fucking deer.

Yeah, like a fucking deer. Exactly. There he is. Oh, man, you bring it up, man. Research. They beat the shit out of him. It's a horrible video. And his dye job is showing.

You can see his gray hair. Y'all so fine. A little bit in the temple. How you gonna live if you're dirty? A little bit in the temple. Damn. Yeah, that's a, well. But Ted Turner's the billionaire I want to be.

If I could pick him. One of the most disturbing videos was Hillary Clinton laughing about him dying. Yo, bro. You see that video? No, bro. She's doing an interview and they're talking about Gaddafi. She goes, we came, we saw, he died. Oh, wow.

And she starts laughing because I guess they have just. That's Game of Thrones worthy. Was it Cersei's queen? Yeah. I don't want to. My friend called me this year, Alcaz DJ Swift. My wife told me I need a husband more than the world needs a martyr. That and my friend calling me saying,

you know, man, really, I just don't want nobody to kill my friend. That really made me put shit in perspective like, maybe I should keep singing and dancing. Maybe you shouldn't try to braveheart this thing. Yeah, people definitely

still do get shot yeah i don't know the fuck what anybody says yeah there was a dude who was an enron whistleblower who enron whistleblower who shot himself in the head twice yeah exactly exactly that kind of shit yeah like that doesn't what in the fuck are you talking about do you ever read the strange death of vince foster i have not it's a great book okay it's about vince Foster who was in cahoots with the Clintons, shot himself. When they found his body, the gun was still in his hand,

which never happens. Guns fly out of your hand. There was less blood at the scene of the crime than was missing from his body. So the idea is that someone moved him. Someone put him there. Ray Donovan shit.

Ray Donovan shit! They did it. For sure they did it. Before there was an internet, all you had to do was grease the right amount of people. And it's done. Have a plan in place. And it's done. It's done.

They did it forever. They did it through the Roman era. They did it. I concur. They did it from the beginning of time. People have been whacking people. I concur. I concur.

I don't think that era has ended. A lot of people acted so those were. Again, like I said, these empires that we're under have been thousands of years. It's like a corporation will change its name and go forward in something else. I honestly, I'm going to at some point get a...

What are the brothers' names? Romulus and I forget the other brother, but who were suckled by the wolves. That was like the fairytale start of Rome. I'm going to get that as a pendant. Ooh. Yeah, it's going to be some... I like artsy rap shit,

so I have like the Winged Victory of Simothras is a piece. I have another piece that's based on that. I'm getting that on a pendant. Jesus. Yeah, and what's it, Romulus? And what's the other brother's name? Remus.

Remus. It was Remus and Romulus. So apparently our society that we live in under now was the legend is it was started by two brothers who were nursed after being abandoned were nursed by a wolf.

So western society is built on that concept and you're going to ask me to give up my fucking guns. The fuck out of here. The fuck out of here man. What a crazy looking wolf, too. That wolf's got chain mail around its neck and face for war. Yeah, I'm going to get that on a fucking pendant.

It's going to be like this rapper big shit. That's a war wolf. Look at that thing. Look at that. That's got its vitals protected. That's crazy. Yeah. That's what we're sitting in the middle of.

Jesus Christ. There we go. Babies suckled from wolves. From wolves. So what do you think the mentality of the people who run us are? Jesus Christ. I saw it in the loo. Me and my wife were stoned as fuck.

That's incredible. Walking through the loo. And I was just like, this is amazing. I stared at it. What a freaky looking wolf, too. It's all hungry and shit. Looks like a fucking hyena, actually. Yeah.

It doesn't look like it's got wolf hair. Because wolves are beautiful. Like that's when that wolf ain't. But it's weird that they decided to make a bald wolf. That's a bald wolf. Yeah, it's like shaved. Yeah, there's no hair on it anyway. Exactly. It doesn't show any hair. Who knows what the fuck wolves looked like back then.

Shave the hair into the rock. Yeah, that's true too. Yeah, it would be hard to shave it rock. Yeah, that's true, too. Yeah. It would be hard to shave it, but still. What a freaky idea. Yeah. So that's what. Suckled off of wolves.

Yeah. Think about it. And that's the mentality of the rest. Have you been to Rome? Have you ever been? I have not been to Rome. I went a couple years ago for the first time. It's amazing.

Really? Stunning. Yeah, it's stunning. Antiquity. Is that what they call it? Yeah. When you go to the Vatican, man, you walk around, you realize how much these motherfuckers stole. There is billions of dollars worth of art there.

And you're like, where did you get this money? And why won't you give it back? You guys don't have a business. You're not out there selling sneakers. Where the fuck did you get all this shit? We're going to leave this candy and Bibles and we're going to take all of this art that you guys have. It's crazy. It's crazy. You know what's interesting?

You know when you see Roman guys with little dicks? The little dick thing, they thought big dicks were disgusting. Like big dicks were, they were too savage and not civilized. They had little dicks in these little statues. If you look at these beautiful, perfect bodies, they're all little dicks. And that was because they felt like big dicks were gross. Oh, wow. How crazy is that? That's what the guy, at least the professor that was guiding us told us big dicks were gross oh wow how crazy is that

that's what the guy at least the professor that was guiding us little dick dudes you're in the wrong century you missed it yeah you just you were almost there the thing is though they want something that doesn't exist right because a guy who's built like that's gonna have a hog on him those guys are built those guys are They're fucking Adonises Right That's beautiful You see Anthony Joshua Step into the ring

You go That guy's gotta have A gigantic dick He has to Look at him He's a fucking specimen There's no way He has a regular sized dick

With that said If you look at bodybuilding Yeah but that's A different animal They're breaking Their body's ability To perform testosterone To create testosterone.

Their nuts are shrinking. Fucked up, bro. Looks bad. I got a picture of Ronnie Coleman that I send to my friends every now and then just as like a wake-up call. I save it on my phone. I send it. I just want you to know that this is how big people can get. So while you're lifting weights, just keep everything in perspective and always know that this is possible.

That's one of them. Let me show you the one that I got on my phone, Jamie. He just had back surgery again. Prayers up to run. I heard there's a documentary about him that's on Netflix now. I watched it. It was just sad. Not sad, but like you feel bad.

Just like, first of all, it's amazing he had that type of discipline. He was eating 10,000 calories a day. He was training for one hour a day doing full training top to bottom because he was a cop at the same time. And he was just a bull about it. Here it is. But with that said, oh my God. Look at that picture. Yeah.

That's not good. That can't be. That's insane. Yeah, that's insane. That's insane. This one, Jay. See if you can find that one. It's insane. Yeah. And now his back is savagely just betraying him well he apparently would lift so much weight

he's much smaller now he would lift so much weight and worked out so much harder than anybody wow what a I want to send this so people can get it see the one that we're looking at because it's so fucking freaky. That's like when you see the picture of that bull.

Exactly. You know the bull I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they have something wrong with, what is that? Myostatin inhibitors. Yeah, myostatin inhibitors. What's that? Myostatin is something that apparently regulates the muscle growth.

And when these myostatin inhibitors, when they do, they either happen accidentally on dogs called whippets. I don't know if you've ever seen a whippet. I know a little whippet. Whippets get, they have an anomaly that occurs pretty rarely where they grow like double the muscle. They fucking look super jacked. You've got to pull that shit up. Yeah, pull up one of those myostatin whippets. Oh, I got the right.

Okay. You're enjoying your work, huh? Sure. There's the Ronnie Coleman picture so everybody can see it. That's the one we're looking at. Like, what in the fuck? Jesus. Those pictures, as you're a fat guy walking into a gym, do more to dishearten you than anything.

Yeah, you're like, I can't even. Exactly. You're like, what the fuck am I going to do? I'm not getting there. It's not happening. You would have to be on everything that science has ever concocted to put that kind of mass on.

Mass! And you have to have perfect genetics. You have to have everything. You have to have the storm. Jesus Christ. See if you can find those whippets. The myostatin whippet.

It's crazy looking. It doesn't even look like a real dog. It looks like someone's CGI, like someone's fucking with it. I just made itet It's crazy looking It doesn't even look Like a real dog It looks like someone's CGI Like someone's fucking with it I just made it It's a real dog They just have a weird Anomaly

A genetic anomaly That makes them Super fucking jacked Like How does that work In terms of like I'm not I like pit bulls

Like I like There it is Oh That's real dude I always thought that was fake No that's real Wow That's real

There's a bunch of them. It happens in this community for some reason. I read something about what it is about breeding that somehow or another this gene, this trait is more common in whippets than most other animals. That's crazy. I like the traditional style pit bull like Pete from The Little Rascals, right? Yeah. pit bull like Pete from the Little Rascals, right? Yeah.

The new pit bull, the ones that are lower and bulkier, almost like the lowest as an English bulldog, but are over muscle. I always wonder how useful are they? Well, if they get a hold of you, you're fucked. For sure. The power is just insane. The power that those things have is insane. But it's bad for, it's really, when you

get an animal like this and have a hard time breathing, it's not good for them. A dog is supposed to have longer legs so it can move good. Pit bulls were bred for a couple reasons. They were bred for purposes of fighting and purposes of bringing down bulldogs. They run alongside the bull, grab the nose ring, drop their weight, flip, essentially flip a bull. So I'm just thinking to myself, as we like the aesthetics of what they look like, what are we really doing to these little guys where they're buffed as shit, but they're short as shit.

It's hard to get up a pair of steps for them. They have such amazing qualities because of the fact they're game bred, because the ones that responded negatively to people, that would growl at people or show aggression to people, they called them. So the ones that are real game dogs, those little 35-pound males, those are the best dogs on the planet Earth. Man, I've been trying to convince Shay for like three years. They love everybody.

I'm like, Shay, I'm sorry. I can't do like these other rappers and get a fucking girl dog and act like this. You already make me hold your fucking purse. I'm not going to have a girl dog. Yeah, straight the fuck up. Like for real, I'm just like, I buy these things. They're thousands of fucking dollars. I shouldn't be having to color coordinate because you want to fucking walk around.

Hold my purse. Yeah, I have to go to Phoenix Sky. That's one of her favorite stores. I'm going to Phoenix Sky. Hold my fucking purse. I'm like, fuck you. Hold your purse is a hilarious checkmate move that girls put on you. Her gun is in there, though, so I feel a little manly.

But it's still a fucking Louis Vuitton purse, you know. But if I had a pit, a great, great, great pit, then I'd be, you know, I'm just like, I can't get a girl dog. I got to get a pit bull. You can get a little pit bull and people won't even know it's a pit bull. Yeah, and they're nice. I told her about my oldest daughter, 21 now, Anaya. And we had a pit named Coca. Anaya, for some reason, did not like sleeping in her bed or laying down.

Anaya, we would have to, and this is when I'm working. I'm getting up, going to work at the fucking advanced auto parts. Her mom is in school, in beauty school. It's like, we're tired. We're young. We're too young to have a baby. We're beat the fuck up. Anaya would only sleep in her little rocker.

This dog would sleep directly under her. And if you were not me or her mother, you were not walking up there touching this child. Whoa. And when my daughter was awake, she was her best friend. She could ride her like a horse. She could tell her to sit, stand, move. She'd do anything. But in her eyes, her purpose in life was to make sure that this child was safe.

That's amazing. Those are the pit bulls I know. Big boy, Pitfall Kennels, his brother, he and James have one. They have amazing dogs. Yeah, there's a lot of those out there. There's a lot of great pit bulls out there. The only problem with pit bulls is they have an aggression towards other dogs. They do.

They absolutely do. Yeah, you have another dog around, there's likely going to be a scrap. And it got to be exhausting for me. I understand that. But I'm pro one or two. Like my thing is I only have, you should only have one or two pits. You should have one pit that's dedicated to you and the family. We should have two pits that are part of the family and they understand,

you know, who's the dominant and who's the alpha and who's the beta. I had one pit that I got from the pound and she had been in the pound for like five months. Yeah. She was in the LA Animal Shelter. She was only 11 months old. She was a prison dog, basically. She just, most of her life had been locked up in this little cage.

And that dog, if anybody else wanted to get pet, she would get up to them and go, get the fuck out of here. She would show her teeth and growl at them. She didn't want anybody getting pet but her. She would, any other dogs that tried to move in, she would growl at them, box them out. She'd box them out, like check them. Like if you're trying to pet one of the other dogs growl at them, box them out. She'd box them out, like check them. Like if you're trying

to pet one of the other dogs, like no, no, no. She'd get right up in there. You know what I found with them? They're like children in that they throw tantrums. Yeah. So if they get lonely

and they get lonely without you, like they miss you, they'll do shit like just tear up the fucking sofa or the house or throw the laundry and then you'll get there,

you'll call them, you're looking for them and they're like, oh shit, for them, and they're like, oh shit, I fucked up. And they're hiding. Yep. Like in the room and shit. Like they're brilliant little fuckers.

You know, my man CeeLo had a bunch of great pits back in the day. I'm going to get a pit bull. I'm declaring that today. Shayna can't tell me what to do. Wow. That's happening. As long as you're a responsible owner, train it well, make sure it doesn't get loose. Yep.

And I don't believe in fighting dogs no not fighting no fuck that they're escape artists too you gotta be careful those motherfuckers can climb a fence

they can climb a fence they're smart enough to open a gate yeah I've seen them run up a tree my oldest daughter has a tiny little dog

and it's one of the smartest dogs I've ever seen because it's it's part chihuahua and part Australian shepherd dog I think but it's the smartest dogs I've ever seen because it's part Chihuahua and part Australian Shepherd dog, I think. But it's the only dog I've ever had where its paw got caught on the leash and it lifted

its leg up and put it behind the leash. Oh, wow. I've never seen a dog do that. Dogs get that one arm in front of the leash and then they're fucked. Yeah. I can't do anything. You got to help me. This dog looked at that and went, oh, this is easy. Oh, shit. My bad. And I looked at them like, you do anything. You got to help me. This dog looked at that

and went, oh, this is easy. Oh, shit, my bad. And I looked at them like, you little motherfucker. You're a smart little dude. My wife had an Australian Shepherd when I met her, Muffy. Yeah.

Smart fucking dogs. Yeah. And Chihuahuas are smart and can be mean. Smart fucking dog. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they can be mean. Yeah, surprisingly.

The weirdest thing is that all those came from wolves. Everything came from a wolf. Yeah. All of them. That's nuts. Every dog. Somehow or another, we took a wolf.

And people are going to get mad when I say this. Some people in my community, but... And humans evolved from monkeys. What are you saying? Kind of blasphemy. People get so... That was the words of Killer Mike, if you're just listening. I didn't say that shit.

We definitely didn't pop up just like we are. I don't believe that anyway. What do you think happened? I don't know. I don't know what happened, but my wife says jokingly. You got to know my wife. She's very cool, very down to earth. She's my best friend.

She speaks in this thick Creole-like accent, and she'll just say things blindly. I don't know whether it's fucking hilarious. We're watching Planet of the Apes, and she says, you know, people are getting mad about it. But shit, when you look at them, human beings do look like monkeys. I mean, we probably were swinging the fuck around a few thousand. And I'm just thinking to myself, you do realize in the black community that's an insult to even call us. And she's just because she's black. that's an insult to even call us. And she's just, cause she's black. Of course,

she's just like, Hey man, she pointed the screen. I'm just like, yeah, we probably evolved, you know? And,

and, and, you know, it, people can have whatever debates they want to about it. But you know, I think that we act a lot, just like,

I think human beings are arrogant because we think we can communicate and we can use tools to build shit. But basically, we're hairless apes. And, you know, just because we can communicate doesn't mean we're communicating the right things. Animals live in harmony with nature in a very different way. You know what I mean? They kill for hunger. You know what I mean? Apes can kill for reasons that are non-hunger related and things of that nature.

So we know that's a part of us. But I honestly think, yeah, I think we evolved from something that didn't necessarily look like us. Yeah. That may have swung from a tree. We're the most advanced of the primates. But we exhibit characteristics that we can see in the lower primates. And if you pay attention to all the top scientists who have been studying human evolution, they're all pretty much in agreement. There was something that we were all similar to

and they all branched off in a bunch of different ways. It's amazing they keep finding new forms of people, too. Yeah, I saw one. Dezenovian or something like that. That's what it's called? The one from Russia. So do you think aliens really popped down, fucked a monkey,

and we popped out nine months later and here we go? Oh, look, that would be the most fun. Yeah, I think so, too. I think if a pit stop happened, and what was the movie that was really crappy and not as good as it should have been? That was the Aliens, like, precursor or something. It showed essentially where they came from. Oh, Prometheus. Prometheus, right.

That should have been very good in theory. But, yeah, I think that that's the possibility. Aliens were chipped, hanging out at the moon, said, yo, look at the blue planets. Let's fucking go see what it is. And said, yo, wow, that monkey looks great. Fuck the shit out of it. Got out of the moon say yo look at the blue planets let's fucking go see what it is and say yo wow that monkey looks great fuck the shit out of it got out of there and the next thing you know

you have war and pestilence and violence and poverty and MMA and joints but one monkey that accelerated way past way past all the other ones

like one invention the ability to communicate and the ability having opposable thumbs the ability to communicate and then it, having opposable thumbs, the ability to communicate and then it started advancing. As soon as it started talking, it started figuring out ways to express itself to each other and then they started making things and they're off to the races.

The next thing you know, a couple hundred thousand years later, the world's different. It's like this thing erupts and then just covers the world with its shit. Yeah. And that's us. How do you subscribe to the theory that we just may be a virus and the earth may be getting rid of us? Well, no one would like to think that, right? But the reason you call a virus something, it's just a word that's been assigned to a living organism in a system by medical science. I mean, we all know what a virus is.

It's a real thing. It's amazing that these brilliant people have discovered it and come up with vaccines to stop and prevent them but it's a some sort of a life form really essentially yeah now if we looked at the earth as being a living organism and we should we sure it's certainly you can make an argument that it's a kind of a life form yeah that it's a host of massive amounts of life yeah of all the life yeah um you would think that maybe some of those things would not be in harmony just like some of those things in a human body aren't in harmony right your gut bacteria is off or you got a cold because there's bacteria in your body that you picked up from a fucking yeah bathroom somewhere whatever you're sick absolutely all that stuff could easily apply

to how human beings interact with the earth are Are we the virus, though? Because when you've got to look at it, at some point, the earth is, or the theory is, it's a living, breathing organism. Here's what I can say for sure. Okay. We are the virus to the ocean because we don't even live in it. And think about it. That's life. Before we were monkeys, we were something that crawled out of the ocean.

Right. Right? Imagine if the ocean was, I mean, I don't know what it was like. We are getting really stoned now. This is where our fans wanted us to go. We're stoned as fuck. I don't know what the ocean was like a couple hundred thousand years ago before people really became what we are, tool using, you know, people that figured out how to get out into the ocean and capture fish.

Imagine if you could see it. Imagine if you could see an image of how many fucking fish were out there 200,000 years ago versus how many are now. It's like they live next to a vampire that just keeps sucking the life out of it. I bet we've killed 50% of all life in the ocean. That's what I'm saying, bro. Probably. We have to think of ourselves at some point. You gotta say

maybe the best thing human beings could do for the Earth is to end humanity. Maybe. But maybe viruses are there for a reason too. Maybe it all needs to exist. There needs to be some sort of a balance. We're always trying to eliminate bad things. Maybe they do serve some sort of

weird fucking purpose. Even in that, we find purpose as humans. That's the talent of humans, the ability to adjust and make logic out of us being here. Yeah, well, and to keep moving and make more of us. Does China make it to the moon? They grew cotton on the moon apparently already, right? Yeah, they grew something on the moon, but it died. Yeah.

It died quickly. I was happy that it was cotton because seeing as how they're the biggest investor in Africa and China was growing cotton, that didn't go well for black people 500 years ago. So I was just like, please don't let cotton grow on the moon. I don't want the trans-moonlantic slave trade to start and I have to learn Mandarin and shit. So do you think they actually set up shop before us or is America still number one? Because it feels like – I feel like we lost that day. When China landed on the moon? Yeah.

I feel like, oh, shit. You know, I've grown up being, you know, like I'm black, I'm American, but I like America. You know what I'm saying? I like America. I love America. Yeah, exactly. I feel like we're bad. Like Frederick Douglass, when asked would he leave, I answered, you know, like, what the fuck am I going to leave for?

When I see something like the moon landing, the China growing the plants and landing there, what exactly was it? What was the kind of ship that they landed on the moon? I don't know. They put one on the moon, apparently. Some remote landing. In some type of road. On the dark side, though. Right.

On the side that we didn't make it to or just went and told not to come back. And they got a video of it. It was a drone, right we didn't make it to or just went and told not to come back. It was a drone, right? Is that what it was? Some sort of a drone? I think of that. I honestly think about that as a win for science and for innovation. I don't think about it in terms of like nations because I feel like that is done by scientists.

That's done by the wizards and the geniuses. So are you saying we're going to steal the scientists? Because when Kennedy gave the fucking speech, Kennedy made it seem like the moon landing was going to make us the preeminent nation. And I think that's the propaganda China's going to ruin. You don't think? Well, I think they have some fucking amazing technology, and to deny that would be ridiculous. But I also think that it's important that everybody be competitive in this.

Like if you really want to make things better, you not gonna you can you're not gonna do that in a vacuum got what helps the Technological innovation and one of the reasons why it's so accelerated is there's so many people working on it It's not just a few people trying to make cell phones better. I got fucking so many geniuses out there So when I see something like this like they land that on the moon, I go the geniuses one you just hope yeah They're Chinese people, but they're just people. We're all just people. Absolutely. You know, and the idea that they're going to all get those people on that side to think the same way is what we're worried about, right?

That it would be us versus them and their technology is going to impact our life. Well, that's the way we frame it as a country. Yeah, we always worry about that. Yeah, we have to admit that. That's the way we frame it. But if you look at the history of the world, that's been that happened so many many times i think it makes sense to be worried about the rest of the world i get it you know i'm on and i'm on this side of the fence so you know and no pun with that but you know you know i'm an american so you definitely want to know if it's if red october is going to happen

tomorrow fuck man i think russians don't hate. I don't think anybody has a quarrel with anybody over there. It's the governments. The hustle is that the real interaction is between a very small amount of people that involves all these other people that are with them for some strange reason. I think they should just be thrown essentially in a stadium to fight to their death.

Putin would be the king of the world. He'd fuck everybody up. Him and that other dude that runs the other little country next door that was on Real Sports. Chechnya? Yeah. Yes. That guy is a huge supporter of MMA fighting. Yeah, he's a fucking badass.

Yeah. Respect. There's some beasts over there. Trills. You know how bad Putin would fuck up Trump? Oh, Christ. You can't. A fight to the death with Putin?

That would be terrible. I would actually probably bet Putin versus Obama too. Yeah, for sure. Look, Obama's probably better in a debate but Putin's a real killer. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. He's like a real killer.

I think you'd have to go all the way Bush won I think was badass maybe as a younger man. I mean, to lead the CIA you gotta have some killer in you.

Yes. You know. He was a tough guy. But I probably have to get all the way back to Kennedy in terms of physical prowess. And his back was bad. I think you got to go to Abraham Lincoln. He was a wrestler. Abraham Lincoln?

Yeah, he was wiry. He had that farmer build. Farmer strength. He did. Wiry. Those old dudes back then, you had to carry everything. True. They didn't, you know, farm work was real work.

Yeah, just Abraham. Carried everything everywhere. All those dudes are just wiry as fuck. He was a wrestler too. Yeah,

I heard. Yeah. He's beloved in my community. We like him a lot. I get it. He wrote this little thing

called Emancipation Proclamation. Did you see that stupid fucking movie where they had him as a vampire slayer? Did you ever see that?

Nah, I saw the trailer and decided maybe that's not the one for me. That was so weird. That was one of the ones you're happy your kids don't ask you to go see. Yeah. Jamie, didn't you say it was based on a graphic novel? Yeah. Yeah.

So it was like a fun comic book that somebody made and then they turned it into a movie. As a movie, it was like so weird. As a graphic novel, it probably worked better. Yeah. There's some things that work better that just stay in their world yeah

right who greenlights that movie though who says fuck it that's it it was a fun movie I mean it was dumb and fun man

but I'm just saying no disrespect I liked it yeah but who gets it who gets that movie who the pitch me yeah

right so Abraham Lincoln he's gonna kill vampires with an axe he's gonna to kill vampires with an axe. He's going to fucking kill vampires with an axe. What? What? Yeah.

They probably said another president first, and they said who, and then they said Abraham Lincoln. What's up, T? He's produced by Tim Burton. Oh, I love that dude. He's wacky, though. He does a lot of wacky stuff. Yeah. Was he Beetlejuice or something, too?

Who else was Tim Burton? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Tim. He's so... Yo, can we get a John Woo film soon? Can we get another Hard Boiled or The Killer?

Could we get... Yeah, when was the last? It's been a long time. And his American movies, although good, were nothing like the foreign films. Yeah. Hyper-violent, stylistically beautiful, slow motion was used crazy. Him or Tarantino, I'd just love to drop a movie this year. Yeah.

I think his style heavily influenced John Wick. Oh, yes. 100%, right? A1, right? Hell, yeah. Bam, sorry. Can't forget the pound. Yes.

I was wondering why the fuck I love John Wick movies. Hyperviolence. Hyperviolence. Beautiful old school cars, too. I love John Wick movies. That's perfect. Hyper-violence. Hyper-violence.

Beautiful old school cars, too. But the suit. Beyond the guns, the magic of the slow-moving suit in the lead characters. Keanu Reeves is badass, man. Dresses impeccably to go assassinate people. Absolutely. Perfect attire. Perfectly suited. Him, his pit, and his old school.

Yes. I mean, come on, man. Drive around a 70s Chevelle SS in a 69 Mach 1. Come on. Come on. Come on. True. That movie's amazing. That it really is.

The second one, I liked. I love the first, I like the second, and I think I'm going to love the third. I'm hoping, please. I didn't see any cars, though. I saw the previews. I didn't see cars.

I saw motorcycles. Gotta give them a car. Yeah, they always go to motorcycles. They fuck up. I always wonder. You gotta give them a car. People don't understand. Men want to go to see that car. Motor out the teenage boys though yeah that's true i remember

ordering a cycle world when i didn't even have a motorcycle and my mom's like you you're gonna get a magazine this year as a cycle world that's true right muscle cars are for old men yeah teenage boys want ninja bikes oh let me tell you something i want to share the secret with the world a lot of people don't know this old white guys and young black men have the same interest. They both like young black women. They both like muscle cars. They both like slightly gaudy jewelry, you know, not working and money. You know what I'm saying?

But muscle car crowd, if you go to a Mecham auction, you're going to see, like, you know, young black guys and old white guys talking to one another. It's one of the most beautiful sights I've ever seen. That's hilarious. Shouts out to Mike, an old guy I met at a Mecham coming from a Mecham auction. There's a bunch of those auctions, right? There's Barrett-Jackson. Mecham is the working man's Barrett-Jackson. Oh, what's the difference?

You can actually afford the cars that you see. You know, Barrett-Jackson is beautiful cars, but you're going. You're going to spend a little money. They got cars you can get for. But Barrett, but with that said, they say the inspection process is better. And Mecham is the guy who's a blue-collar guy, might have retired, but he wants to go to an auction. He goes. He has a great car.

He's probably going to know something about cars and look it over himself. Yeah, man. There's something about the camaraderie of a fellow muscle car enthusiast. Yes. You know, when you could find a dude who's also just as stupid as you. Yes. To pour money in something that's never going to fully make you happy as you want to be. There's some guys that I'm friends with that there's an extra bond because they're just as stupid about cars as I am. Man, shouts out to my man, Ron Ball.

You've given more shouts out than anyone in the history of the podcast. Because this is what you're supposed to do. Shouts out to Ron Ball and Mike Musto. I love Mike Musto.

If you're going to have some muscle, Mike has my 96 Impala, which I got from Sean at Autotopia. Shouts out to Sean. Got it from him. Got the 96 Impala

with under 1,100 miles on it at the time. Ron did some slight adjustment. He works over at 4G Auto. Just made the car even beautiful. Just tweaked it, lowered it a little bit. Did some cool stuff, and Mike featured it. That's nice.

I have different people that are pockets of my life that love you. So as I'm shouting people out, I appreciate you letting me do it, but I know they'll appreciate it. That's awesome. You're Joe fucking Rogan. Thank you. You're killer fucking Mike. Yeah, it's a big deal I'm here. Mike Tyson was here. I know,'ll appreciate it. You know what I mean? That's awesome. You're Joe fucking Rogan, man. Thank you. You're killer fucking Mike. Yeah, it's a big deal I'm here. Mike Tyson was here.

I know, he was there. I'm all right. Back to Mike Musto. We were talking about how weird it was to meet Mike Tyson. It's so strange to hang out and talk to him. Party. He's so iconic that whenever you're around him, there's like 10% of you that has to go, holy shit, it's Mike Tyson.

No matter what else you're saying, 10% of your brain is going, holy shit, that's Mike Tyson. When you showed the clip of the 51-year-old Mike Tyson hitting a bag, I remember it as a child. He was the first person I see. I have two dads. I have a non-bio and a bio dad. And he was the first person I had seen in my life where I say, this guy could probably beat my dad. Like everybody else, because my dad was a pretty tough guy. I had been a policeman, was pretty good with his hands.

My bio dad, I mean, my non-bio father was a 6'7". You know, he played offensive tackle on the same high school team as Richard did. So I got some pretty, you know, badass dads. Not they're acting tough. They just, you feel protected as a child. I remember just seeing Mike Tyson just like, whoa, this guy could probably fucking kill everything. You know what I'm saying?

He hit with such vicious and evil intent. It was amazing. Yeah, he could still do it. Yeah, that's what I saw when he was hitting the bag. He's still terrifying. Yeah, if he was a young contender coming up, you would look at him and go, wow, this guy can punch. Yeah. He doesn't have nearly the hand speed that he had when he was young.

Look at that, man. man yeah that was the peak he had an amazing story though man listening to him describe his childhood and how customano had hypnotized him yeah that was amazing because i'd never heard him talk about that before and that's what people need to understand like who he was he people want to say oh he was he was hyper-aggressive and he did terrible things and he was violent. Think of how this kid grew up. He was an orphan. Yes. He was literally orphaned. Taken in by this one guy the first time in his life where anything is positive and it's all about fighting and being a destroyer.

And he gets hypnotized by this guy to be a destroyer. And he's a physical specimen. He really is you put your hand when you grab when it's just his hand like his whole body's like carved out of a a large block of rock he's a tank of a man wow you know still to this day he's a tank absolutely and when he was young they saw that right away teddy atlas said on this podcast that when mike was 13 he weighed 190 pounds and they didn't believe he was 13 they thought he was sandbagging they they put him in a 16 he's like yeah okay say he's 16 nobody would believe he's 13 and they were come on you're saying this fucking kid's they didn't

want to believe it and he just let him have it okay okay you don't because he said people were always lying about how many fights people had they would always say he's only had 10 fights and you see the guy move immediately i'm like oh, oh my God, this guy's had 50 fights. Yeah, wow. You can see watching him. And Teddy was saying that that was always the hustle, that everybody always lied a little bit about someone's record. And when they saw Mike Tyson at 13, weighing 190 pounds,

just a fucking specimen. There's some people that are just built perfect for certain things. And he was built to be that. He was built perfect for bobbing and weaving and getting in tight. And he was so fucking fast. His hooks and the uppercut was so nasty. Which fighter has that uppercut? Lennox Lewis had a tremendous uppercut.

Yeah. Yeah, there's some fighters today. But Lennox was taller. Joshua has a tremendous uppercut. Yeah, there's some amazing talent today. Anthony Joshua has a tremendous uppercut. Yeah, there's some amazing talent today, but it's like what Mike had done was revitalize

the entire country's image of the heavyweight division. The heavyweight division got boring for a while. No disrespect, but there was guys like Pinklin Thomas, who's a champion, and Tony Tubbs. They weren't the kind of guy that you look forward to seeing as being the champion of the world. You didn't believe it.

I don't believe that's the toughest guy in the world. He might be a tough guy. I'm sure he's a tough guy. He's a professional boxer, but I don't think that's the best guy. And then Tyson came along. There he is. Mike had the perfect name. He had the perfect look.

He had the perfect body. He had the perfect image. And he came at the perfect time. When you look at hip-hop and where it was and where Mike was at the time, it was a perfect synergy for him to become a hero. Mike Tyson, Mike Jordan, these people became icons at a time where the United States, like in the 80s, after getting opaque, kicking ass, and that crisis fucking up the 70s, Iran shit at the end of the 70s, early 80s.

Steel, I remember my grandfather worked at Hall Steel. I remember Steel, my other grandfather, Steel leaving America. I remember it just kind of being, it wasn't as proud. And he was one of those things that made you feel badass and the times feel dangerous. And he wore black in those little boxing he didn't wear the boots he wasn't flashy like he was a perfect villain at a time where villainy nwa you know

what i'm saying yeah it was was celebrated danger i think he was perfect for the times and i think he's perfect but now like what mike is when i hear him interview and i really talk and people make fun of his lisp or whatever and i think that gets in the way of you hearing the real wisdom he's saying a lot of times yes like mike has repeatedly talked about change and about growth and about how he doesn't see things the same and i think if we actually listen to that it kind of challenged us to do the same shit that we really don't want to do yeah he's one of the rare guys that you'll talk to that accomplished an insane amount literally became one of the most famous boxers in the history of the sport and you talk about him now and all he wants to do is dismiss that past life yeah he wants to it's like i was a i

was silly look out look at me i'm a silly person yeah like he's a real warrior like he's he's he's he's like in a classic kung fu film he He's the reluctant teacher almost. You know, you do a movie. Mike is the guy who is a student, go to beg to teach you to fight. And you want to know why he won't teach you. And it's because you find out later your teacher killed someone, you know, in the ring or some shit. He is really that character. You could tell even with the pigeons back in the days that there's kindness and love in there somewhere. And now he gets to express it to human beings.

You just see he's a happier person until you bring up Don King's name. Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, and then you get scared like he's going to fucking beat me up and my dad too. too. The crazy thing about him selling weed now is that he, they charge him $300,000 I think for he tested positive for the Andrew Gulotta fight for weed. So they

fined him $300,000. They just stole money from him because he had weed in his system. Wow. Now he sells weed. When are they going to let NFL guys smoke weed? They should let everybody smoke it. It's good for your brain. I concur.

Especially if you're doing something like slamming into each other, running 30 miles an hour. Yeah. It's probably good to give them something to calm them down. True. True. Release some of the inflammation. Yeah, I mean, grown adults telling you you can or can't do it is just what's ridiculous about it. At the end of the day, a grown adult telling you they can't.

The ones who say you shouldn't smoke weed, they don't do it. They don't. They don't know what they're talking about. They have never done it. The ones who do or don't or the ones who have and like, I don't do it anymore. I don't like to get high anymore. Those guys, you're like, oh, okay, I get it. You used to. You don't like to do it.

Fucks with your productivity, whatever. I get it. But if you've never done it and you're talking shit about it, you don't even know the benefits. Nah, you really just want to be like, shut up. There's benefits, too. There's definitely some people get fucked up by everything, whether it's weed or alcohol or speed. People get fucked up by things. Some people get fucked up by Benadryl.

Yes. But I can honestly tell you that I read an article in HuffPost or something years ago that talked about parents who smoked and stoners actually being more engaged with their children. So that doesn't mean you get up and you get fried the first thing in the morning and take your kid to school. But it does mean that where drinkers or smokers would come home and almost avoid the child to smoke or drink or do something else or had other things going on, stoner would literally pop up, may take a hit or two of the joint, and the focus would be more on just being a child parent and kind of kicking it, cooling it.

Yeah, you're way more curious when you're high. So if you're just a little bit high and you're around kids, you would be thinking more the way they're thinking or trying to be a little calmer with them and a little bit more patient. It makes you a more relaxed person. Absolutely, because the anxiety is given to you. Shouts out to Charlemagne Tha God, who was shook once. Another one.

Talked about. He talked very openly about anxiety and that. And he's one. Yeah, these are the people I like to see you bring up, too. These are great folks. I got that on tape, too. I got that one in audio. It's nice.

I was listening to it. I was running. Yeah. It's good because he reads it. Yeah, we don't acknowledge that. Like in the African-American community, kidney disease is something that plagues not just diet carrying around stress and all that anxiety is bad for your kidneys. That's where you're fearing stress beats up the most. It just makes you brave enough to be able to express honestly what everybody is probably feeling,

but is scared to bring up because they don't want to be thought of as weak. They don't want to be a whiny bitch. So they don't want to tell you what's going on that's wrong. But especially something like anxiety. The delicate balance of chemicals that exist in the human mind and how much it can be affected by stress and relationships and life in general and your diet and all these other factors. And then there's genetic issues and some some people just have Problems yeah a while tighter enough and you can get help you can get help and get help through cognitive therapy

You can get help through medication There's a lot of people that believe that ecstasy should help people that they should be able to do MDMA therapy for a lot of people With stress. It's a lot of talk of that now. I think your body, you making the decision on what to put in it, is more in line with right than wrong. Well, especially if there's science behind it. Yeah. Like, if they allowed it to be legal, then you

would allow it to be regulated, which means you would allow it to be, like, you would know exactly how many milligrams of this is in this, and how much you should take if you weigh 112 pounds, versus you weigh 212 pounds. All those things should be taken into consideration by scientists. Absolutely. And if we had that, if we just had freedom.

I could see that. Yeah. I think they're having a lot of studies or a lot of success, rather, with veterans and treating veterans with MDMA and MAPS. You know MAPS, the psychedelic organization? No. Have you heard of them? They're an organization that is working to try to make psychedelics legal. And one of the things they're pushing initially is this MDMA study that they've done with veterans.

And they're showing a significant benefit in reduction of PTSD and stress from veterans who come home. And they've seen a lot of shit over there. And they're just, you know, fucked up from it. And it seems to be one of the best things they've ever found and discovered for alleviating. The other thing that they've used it on is I think John Hopkins had one they did with psilocybin. Same sort of result. Give people psychedelics under controlled situations and they have a big alleviation of stress from the past they can let things go i got introduced to mushrooms

by outcast dj swift and that was a beautiful experience i introduced my wife to him because of that yeah so i can i can definitely see that yeah there's something to them yeah for sure there is me and l do me and Al enjoy mushrooms while we make music. Do you really? Yeah. Mushrooms, weed, and whiskey. He doesn't drink whiskey. He drinks tequila.

Or what do they call the other tequila? The mezcal, is it? Yeah. Yeah, he drinks mezcal. I drink whiskey and shrooms and weed. They usually. We had drunk ants in here from yesterday, apparently. Richard Rawlings brought this cinnamon tequila, and some of it had spilled on the table, and

the ants had found it. You got to see them pop up. Everywhere. I've been brushing them along. They were everywhere. They were drunk. They were just drinking tequila, and there was just a giant line of them. They found the fucking bar in the middle of space.

And got at it. Yeah, they found it, and when we got here, it was covered with ants, drunk ants. My wife made me hang out at a bar all night last night with her and her friend. They got shit-faced drunk, threw up in the Uber, and were running through the hallway in their underwear back at the hotel. That sounds like a good night. Yeah, definitely. Growing up in the Uber, like, how many times does that happen to

those poor bastards? Yeah, for real, I tipped a goddamn near $100, man. I was like, man, I'm sorry, bro. I apologize. How much puke? A large amount? Nah But enough to be aggravated The smell Cause she had a bag

So you know You think that The bag catches But it wasn't plastic You know And it gave a little leak It's hard to get that smell out That puke smell

Yeah It costs about 150 bucks To get it out To get a puke smell out Really? That shit is in your body. Like, imagine. If you turn yourself inside out, how bad would you smell?

Your first fart of the morning. But puke smell, there's something uniquely disgusting. That's why I don't like yoga. Hot yoga, rather. Regular yoga, I can endure. Why don't you like it? Hot yoga. No, fart.

The inside of your body. Like, yo, man, moms are farting. You know, straight up up when you go to hot yo you ever did hot yoga you ever had a hot chick convince you to do that shit like my wife's hot so she could talk me in the most dumb shit right so yeah we're going to fucking hot yoga yeah hot moms tits asses yoga shit you got a block for me to sit and then it's like woo bitch did you fart you know i'm saying you're like i know my wife fart that's not my wife fart and then you say fuck it you start farting oh no

yeah like fuck and then you know that shit is wild yeah yeah so i don't i don't fuck with hot yoga i'd rather just do regular yoga and then just just song shit out like you? Yeah. I like hot yoga. I like it. You don't fart? No. Tell the truth. I don't. I do it fasted.

Okay. I do it first thing in the morning. Respect. No one farts, though? Oh, people fart for sure. Okay. That's all I'm saying. Less people fart if you go to the early classes.

Okay. All right. So you're in there with the pros. Yeah. All right. Yeah. All right. There's a couple different places that I go to, but I like going to the early classes.

Do you sauna the same day you hot yoga? Sometimes. Most of the time, no. Most of the time, no. That's like a double dose. I have if I have an injury, if I have something that's fucking with me. But if I do that, I almost consider it like a sauna because you get so goddamn hot. The room might only be 104 degrees, but when you're working out hard doing yoga,

your body is poor in sweat. You must be heated up as warm as you get in a sauna. It feels the same way to me. It feels almost like I'm trying to work out in a sauna. Gotcha. There's doing some study now at Harvard about it, about heat shock proteins and hot yoga and how much inflammation it reduces

and how beneficial it is to you. I forget what scientists were involved in it, but a bunch of people were talking about it the other day. I know it definitely gets gas out your ass. It definitely does. Shout out. Well, if you have something that you shouldn't be eating, like you eat a hot dog with sauerkraut and a Coke, and then two hours later try to go to yoga class, you're a criminal. You're a terrible person

so it's like a fucking motorboat and there's nowhere for that fart to go either it's stuck in the hot warm air that's the thing it stays there that but if you get the real earthy chicks they burn sage and then that starts to suffocate you and you gotta leave the real earthy chicks yeah do you know sage? Someone told me this. Check and see if this is right. We might have talked about this before. Salvia is sage.

Salvia divinorum, someone said, is like the same shit as sage. Really? Yeah. My wife burns sage a lot. She burns sage. She's a sage burner.

First, I couldn't really, didn't really like the way it smelled and now it's almost addictive. It's a beautiful smell. It's a sage burner. First, I couldn't really, didn't really like the way it smelled, and now it's almost addictive. It's a beautiful smell. It's a weird smell. It is weird. Someone said it's like related to salvia divinorum. Like they're so closely related, they think that that might have been why they call it sage.

So do you get a little stoned off stage? You get a little buzz or something? I don't know. I've never really, I've never caught a sage buzz yeah i mean but it does calm you like if i like if i walk in the room and i smell it now i instantly feel just like yeah the sage is the common sage's official name is salvia offensinalis or something so it's a cousin the salvia divinorum sort of like genus i believe is how that i never know if I could say genus or genus. I always panic on that one.

I believe it's genus. So that's, I wonder if that's where the name sage came from. Because a sage is a wise person. It came from the use of some trippy plants. Could be. It might be. Or it might just have some other strange. Find out what's the origin of the the the word sage oh and it's in the mint family so that makes sense why is it called sage

sage was once considered a medic medicinal cure-all sage is an herb that has a sweet yet savory flavor sage botanically known as salvia officinalis is native to the Mediterranean region. Sage, Sage's botanical name comes from the Latin word salver, which means to be saved. Huh? Interesting. So why do they call it sage then?

So someone calls it Salvia and Salvia, whatever the fuck it is. And then we call it sage. Why do we change the name? It still doesn't say why we change the name. The botanical name makes sense. It comes from the word salver, meaning to be saved. That makes sense.

But why sage? You mean like we like in English? Yeah, why do we say sage? We probably adopted it from however they were using it back in the Mediterranean region. Whatever word they use is probably very close. But they always treat you like you're stupid. Like you have to have a botanical name.

Like, bitch, just tell me the name. What's the name? Why does it have two names? What is it? What is it? Is it sage or is it Phoscomitis Aulatosis Samanin? Yeah, sage is definitely easier to say. Yeah, these crazy-ass names you guys want to give them.

The scientists, they're all like, we'll tell you, Let you make your own little name for it. There you go. What do you want, little people? There you go. Little people that don't understand science. Let's just call it sage. That's right. Sage. Sage. You can't pronounce that. Salvia norm. Can't do it.

Have you ever experienced that stuff? Salvia? No. That was one of the ones that slipped through the 1970s psychedelic act. They had a sweeping act that made a bunch of things illegal, including apparently some of the things they made illegal aren't even

psychoactive. They just try to make everything illegal. But they missed salvia. So you used to be able to buy it. You used to be able to go to a gas station and buy salvia and trip your fucking balls off. What's a salvia trip like? i only did it once okay and it was really weird it was like i don't think i did enough because i ari shafir had a entire life he lived for three months in one salvia trip that took 10 minutes we talked to

him about is the craziest fucking story he had relationships and breakups and jobs and and he lived a different life and then woke up on the couch in 10 minutes underwater yeah he lived underwater right yeah yeah dude just tripping balls on this stuff that you could buy from the gas station that's insane it was crazy i try i try to stay in very dense indicas so there are times where i you know a very dense indica and the mushrooms kind of take me on a trippy ride yeah but i i don't i don't know how far i want to go that's the screen there's re right there that's him tripping they got it all on video oh shit yeah him i mean this is some stuff that you i don't know if it's legal anymore i think they've made it illegal but used to be able to buy it virtually anywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Head shops, they all carried it.

And it's so much more potent than weed, but yet legal. And it has a long history of people using it, too, I think, right? Yo, he's straight tripping, for real. Tripping. So when I did it, I didn't get any of that. But I did get a third. I wouldn't want you to be that tripping. You're a strong guy.

You know, and you're stocked. Yeah, you don't want to have to be the homie to save the homie from himself. And the homie's too physically fit. It's not fun. Yeah, if Herschel Walker's tripping bad, you just got to get out of the building. Come on, man. Herschel's in the other room kicking his own ass. You know what I mean?

You call the police. What's wrong? Herschel Walker's kicking his own ass. Save us. Send Ronnie Coleman. You would literally have to have cops the size of Ronnie Coleman. And they would still be fucked. They would still be fucked. You'd be fucked you'd be fucked yeah i i saw myself from like outside my body like like

it would pulsate in my body and outside my body in my body and outside my body from like over here yeah looking down on myself that happened to my mom when she had me she died on the table for a few seconds jesus and she said she saw herself i wonder what that is because that's the same thing that everybody says i mean regardless of your religious beliefs just stop for a second and try to figure out why so many people see themselves from above their body see themselves outside their body like what is that well we know one thing i mean i mean all all people and even science kind of agree at this point that the body is just a vehicle of sorts or a machine of sorts that whatever energy or soul or spirit, whatever people are trying to identify, it's within it. But if it does disconnect it, I don't imagine.

I'm hoping that they figure out how to put my soul in a computer before I die. I'd like to live a couple hundred more years. Fuck off. What if it sucks, though? Yeah, what if? I think you want to be alive, dude. If you're in a computer, you can't die. I'd like to live a couple hundred more years. Fuck off. What if it sucks, though? Yeah, what if? I'd like to try to live. I think you want to be alive, dude. If you're in a computer, you can't die.

No, I'm saying if you're 89 and you're about to get the fuck out of here, you got the opportunity to upload into 29 again for the next 29 years. Like, yo, fuck that. I might try that before I decide to click on out of there, you know? I think they're going to be able to reverse aging, and I think they're going to be able to do that before they're going to figure out a way to get you into a machine. We'll see. I think the real problem would be a guy like Trump putting himself in like a million machines.

Just not one. Not one. Someone who has a Ted Turner bankroll says, I'd like about a million Ted's in this town. He just starts breeding Ted's. Ted robots. But Trump ain't got Ted money. No, he might not have it, but he's got money for a few robots. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And those robots will go out and make more money. Are robots going to destroy us? That's a very good question. And that's something that Elon Musk is actually scared of. Really? Yeah. That's something Lil Duval says is going to happen. He's a very intelligent guy, too, just besides making a good record.

He talks about us essentially replacing each other with robots soon. It's entirely possible. The way Elon Musk looks at it is that he was trying to warn people, but they weren't listening, and that there's no telling how powerful they could get once they become sentient.

Once they start taking control of their own destiny and creating new robots and just deciding whether or not we live or die and how they're going to run things they're essentially they're going to become a life form an artificial life form that's way fucking smarter than us yeah and he's saying do you think it's smart to arm these things do you see it's smart to make this like he's looking at it in terms of he's the tip of the spear right when it comes to technology and implementation of it i mean think about who this guy is right if he's the one who's telling you everybody's got to slow the fuck down this is dangerous

you literally might be making a terminator movie here yeah you literally might be making a terminator movie yeah we have to worry because we when we're you're saying that you think we evolve from monkeys we evolve from some lower thing well the idea is that we got to keep going well if we might hit a biological bottleneck and that might be the whole convergence of humans and technology that might be what it's all about like biologically this system doesn't move fast enough but if we can transcend this and move into some sort of a digital life that life we can accelerate all of the innovation all of the the improvements in insane numbers, light years,

travel through time, change the fucking nature of life itself. That's going to probably be one of the stages of our future, whether it's a thousand years from now or a hundred thousand years from now. It seems to me like

with this adoption of science into our daily lives in terms of like the technologies that we're all addicted to, phones and tablets and all these different things. I was going to say, he says that we're all addicted to phones and tablets and all these different things i was gonna say he says that we're cyborgs already extension these are this is just a rudimentary way yeah he's right for sure right you're already living people already

living through this yeah yeah yeah and he's also coming out with something called neural link i don't exactly know what it was he was very vague about it but he was saying it was going to change the bandwidth to change your your like your ability to access information and people are going to wear it you know wear this thing on your head it's going to literally charge up your fucking brain in some strange way like strange days he couldn't he couldn't explain too much about it but he was saying it was going to come out in a few months like what in the fuck man we're we're you know 30 or 40 years away from being unrecognizable that's what i think i think we're 30 or 40 years away from being living in like half the time living in a virtual world half the time living in augmented world i think people are going to exist in these weird worlds where it

feels real and isn't i think they're going to come out with programs that are fun at first but then become life-consuming where you put on these fucking goggles and this suit and you go into this world and you live with these people and interact. We touch each other, but no one's there physically, but you feel like you are and it's magical. Like you're living in Avatar. You're on Pandorum. You're hanging out with the blue people. Gotcha.

You're with the Na'vi. That shit could happen. Gotcha. You could literally get to a point where you believe you're there. we could be there now we could be there yeah that's a sneaky sneaky argument right yeah but that that's that's the truth of it it is a truth right it could be there we could be there we could be a part of a simulation yeah that's another thing that elon must said i'm like god damn it you're supposed to say no you're supposed to say no. You're supposed to say, no, it's impossible. This shit could all be fake. Deja vu could be just a glitch.

Yeah, sure. So I just try to live like my grandpa said, just enjoy the regular shit as much as you can. Maybe I won't upload. Maybe I just don't want to go earlier than the fun stops. But I think that there's a beauty in now that I'm getting older, I guess I see a beauty in the life-death cycle. I don't want to die now. I don't want to die tomorrow.

You know what I mean? That's what I'm telling myself. I'm a fucking treadmill, God damn it. But my grandparents were always adamant about not going to old folks' home. And I used to think it was about they didn't want to be treated bad. They thought we'd forget about ourselves. And they never wanted to stop living. So my grandmother died in my arms

walking up a hill to my granddaughter, to her great-granddaughter. My daughter's pre-K graduation. And my grandfather died fishing, which was his greatest love next to my grandmother. You know what I mean? And they, I realized that their life

never stopped. They literally died living. So I realized that their life never stops. They literally died living. So I guess that's maybe ultimately what the real thing you should think about is, whether we're in the machine and outside of it, live the best possible life. You shouldn't be trying to escape your life with goggles or even a phone. This shit is to be lived. I agree, unless this is the goggles. Yeah, it could be. Putting goggles on inside the goggles

like mirrors looking at mirrors and then we figure out who we really are could be could be that would be the the ultimate mind fuck if you put on the goggles one day and you realized you got to get out of here man no i do not i'm just you made me think of something i'm just stoned and i forgot um i forgot the fucking name of the exhibit there's an exhibit at the High Museum I'm on the board of the High Museum right and there's an exhibit there by Japanese artists

and it involves that it is the Infinity Mirrors ticket so it's Yayoi Kusama you got it? Yayoi Kusama yeah I'm not good at that but

Infinity Mirrors I'm taking my daughter. I'm taking Mikey when I get back. Mikey's an 11-year-old. Exactly. And I'm going to probably hit a joint a couple times, and we'll Uber down, and I'm going to walk through this museum. Now, she usually doesn't like going with me because people kind of sometimes

will recognize me, and it bothers her if she's really trying to hang out with dad. You know what I mean? But I'm going to get a chance to walk through there with recognize me and it bothers her if she's really trying to hang out with dad. You know what I mean? But I'm going to get a chance to walk through that with just me and her kick at Solo Dolo and just experience that with her. Just that you see the goggles and goggles and mirrors on mirrors. So I'm looking forward to having like a great time. That's dope. That looks amazing. Yeah.

Yeah. Fuck. That's incredible. Yeah. I'm on the board, man. I got asked. I'm a rapper. Where is this museum?

This is the High Museum in Atlanta. We have one of the most premium, beautiful, modern-ass museums in the country. It's greatly supported. I'm on the board. The greater community. Look at you. How do you have the time to do all this shit? You're making me feel lazy.

How do you have the time to do all this? Man, I stopped doing as much dumb shit. Just decided to be a responsible husband and dad and go to strip club a couple times a week. Every day was sleepy. Shouts out to Sleepy. I miss you, bro. But they asked, man, Fahamu, Dr. Fahamu Pico,

and I know I'm saying his last name wrong, is an artist who my wife owns his piece. He did the rap music cover. My wife has a piece on loan to the carlos museum at emory university um he's one of he's just he's going to be a basquiat like artist in terms of how he's talked about and and more he's an amazing human being an artist we're lucky enough to own some of his works he's on the board and he suggested that me and a guy named kenyon who worked over

at endoscope be umcope be brought to. And they met us and they accepted us. And I'm like, you got to understand, I grew up about four or five miles from this place. And for most kids, this place was an impossibility to go to because their imagination wouldn't let them do it. Right. So you're in these cities a lot of times you have very poor or working class areas that are right next to things that are inspiring. But kids are not brave enough to break the filter and go because they're never encouraged to.

Ted Turner and the High Museum and things like that have always made it very accessible. So when Ted Turner owned the Braves and Hawks, if you got B's and A's, you got tickets to the game. So you could see baseball. Part of the reason baseball died in inner cities is because the stadiums moved out and you couldn't see it.

The High Museum and the Woodruff Foundation, which is a Coke charity, gave me and two other kids a scholarship to go train on Saturdays to draw and paint, stuff like that. So this museum has been in my life since I was a kid. So being asked to get on the board was just a huge honor. And especially having an 11-year-old now that probably is going to want to be an artist, man. It makes me the coolest dad in our life. Yeah, plus, what a thing on the resume. Yeah. I mean, you just look so sophisticated.

I know, right? I get to go buy a jacket and slippers. Dude, you get to have one of them jackets with the leather patches on the elbows. Yeah, exactly. You can be one of those scholarly gentlemen. Perhaps even have a pipe and some tobacco. Yeah, I got class, man. Yeah, man.

For sure. That's cool. That's cool that you're involved in all those different things. Yeah. It's very inspiring. You're doing a lot of shit. You honestly have a mind for it. Yeah.

It's like, have you always been entrepreneurial like that? Have you always been? I never. I just didn't want to be poor. The world treats poor people bad. And I didn't grow up poor. I grew up working class. So you're taught to work.

That's what you do. And I didn't like working. I knew I was lazy by nature, so you got to figure out. But it's cool that you apply that as well as you're still artistic. You're still very creative. Your raps are great. Your fucking flow is great. Thank you. Your raps are artistic. Yeah. You know, you're still very creative. You know, your raps are great. Your fucking flow is great. Thank you.

Your raps are great. Yeah. I got, I got, if I was, if I was a fighter, I'd probably be a multi-style fighter. I have,

I have the ability to get on tracks and rap next to T.I. and Big Boy, you know, next to Bun B and, you know, Project Pat and next to LP and be something totally different every track. I'm, I've been blessed with some talent,

you know what I mean? with some talent. I'm glad that I got with L because L is like the Freddie Roach of producing and rapping. He's a great fight coach for me. When I first heard his beats, I was just like, no one in the world raps better over his beats than me. I'm supposed to be rapping over his beats. He was only supposed to

do three beats on my first album on rap music, but I went into a fucking campaign to make him do the album so i start calling him like this how he became friends like yo so you know man the records are dope we uh we gotta finish them up yeah like yeah man i'm working on my album yeah man i'm stoked remember i gotta get your song for that yeah you gotta make sure but so what's up though man you need to do the whole album bro man i don't have time i can't do it all right call back a couple days so you thought about it? Thought about what? What we

talked about? We talked about you doing my whole album. You know, I told you no. Nah, you didn't mean that, bro. We'll get over it. So we went back and forth until he finally just succumbed. I think, you know, the company probably called and said, here's some more money. He was just like, yo, fuck it. And we became

friends. And man, I truly believe that like, you know, he is, he's my customimate in terms of being able to put me in focus and training. Like Freddie Roach, you see Freddie Roach bring things out of fighters that you know are in him, but no one knows how to bring out. And L does that. So the discipline, you know, I've gotten with him. That's the great thing about partnering. You know, your weaknesses are kind of you can identify and fix them, you know, because you have someone training there with you right there. Right.

You feel inspired by your partner. Absolutely. And I love them for it. Yeah. When two people really enjoy each other's company and benefit from each other's presence and get inspired by each other, the two become bigger than just one plus one. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's why, you know, I make sure when I'm introduced,

you know, and other stuff, you know, Joe Rogan's people know I'm Michael Render, Killer Mike, but another place I always say, you know, first and foremost,

I'm Michael Render because this is what my mom named me. Killer Mike's a character that I enjoy playing, you know, and I'm Shea's husband and one half of Run the Jewels. These things are more

than just who I am. They make significant, you know, change in my life. If I live up to the honor in those titles, then I'm a better person. So elders in my relationship is a very important one. Second, maybe only to my wife. Yeah. And your way of discussing this too, since you're a fun guy and you're an inspirational guy in terms of your work ethic and all the things you've achieved, when you say things like that and you talk about your word and you talk about who you are,

that's very powerful to young people coming up because they'll hear that. They'll hear how smart you are and how well-read you are and how much you understand about the business and life in general. And then they hear how your thought process works and it'll help them mature their own thought process, gravitate towards positive things.

It's very beneficial. Yeah. Thank you, man. I learn a lot. Listening to you, checking out the guests you bring on, just pick it up from everywhere. I just believe in picking up whatever you can. Yeah. Well, that's all I'm doing, man.

I'm just picking up with an antenna that spreads it out. Yeah. It's the same thing. And you do a hell of a job. Thank you. Thank you. It's a weird gig. Yeah, and you do a hell of a job. Thank you. It's a weird gig. Yeah, I know.

But your main job is making people laugh, and your fucking side hustle is making people think. That's an amazing side hustle, bro. It's overwhelming, though, sometimes. Sometimes I do so many of them, and I do some of them on subjects where I'm not even well-read. I don't exactly know if this guest is being honest or if they're biased. But you're learning, right? Yes, I'm learning. But that's how you filter.

That's how you kind of fall into shit. You don't wake up and know. You can wake up curious and you can search. And you have an honest and an integrity with your audience where you say, I was wrong about this or I've learned or picked up more of this. I think that's what it's really about. You know what I mean? I don't think it's about being right or knowing all the time. Your forum is very dope because it's conversational and not contrived.

It really is me having the ability to, as we're talking, you know, Google research, have these notes. I don't know if you know. Well, of talking, you know, Google research, have these notes. I don't know if you know. Well, of course, you know, Dick Gregory. Sure. An amazing comic, but an amazing reason why we know about the Zapruder film. Exactly. Yeah. Dick Gregory brought it to Geraldo Rivera.

I knew this man his last three years of life. First of all, first meeting him, he cursed me and T.I. out as though we'd stolen the tires off his car. Why? What'd he say? Well, me and T.I. just kind of got on like two hokey rappers that kind of saw them, you know, we've embraced the fact that our community looks at us as leaders, right? We're not trying to be Dr. King or Malcolm, but we're businessmen, we're rappers, we have accountability and responsibility in our community. So we accept some of what comes with that, and we're willing to do things. So in considering protesting, considering talking to politicians on the behalf of people, you have to consult with elders.

So we get on the phone with them like, you know, so what do we do? Like kids are getting shot. How should we be engaged? Should we wait? Should we march? March? March? March? Nigga, what the fuck you gonna march for, nigga?

Nigga, we marched 50 years ago. You don't think them crackers gonna open the street up, let you march, tell you close itself, and then shoot your ass if you gonna? You just like, oh shit. Like I never, actually I never thought of that. And this is more serious than we're showing up and we're angry. This is confronting government.

And once government has shown you do something a few times, you have to practice guerrilla warfare or you're just doing what the British did that lost them America. You're stepping up in a formation, shooting your shot, falling back, stepping up for it. You're just playing a fucking game where they're dancing versus doing things that really disrupt the system and things that really progress the move. And I was like, oh, shit. You know, this is radically, this guy

is more than just a funny man. He's really sacrificing laying that shit down. So, yeah, we got cursed out by Dick Gregory. Tip hung up. And then called me back later like man you know like hey my phone messed up dog you know tip talk who it's my phone hung up dog i don't know i said nigga you hung up he said but what'd he say though you know and then but but around that you know tip and i have been able to be of better benefit to our community, you know. And then when I say our community, I don't mean some imaginary mythical rapper place.

I mean the five, ten mile radius we grew up in. You know, we've made some change, you know what I mean? And for the better, we're going to bring some jobs and shit like that. And I think that that's cool. You know what I mean? That's very cool. It sounds cool, too. It sounds like you think in a very positive and a progressive way of helping community in a real sense. Yeah.

That's nice to hear, man. Yeah. I hope I help some people before I get out of here. I hope some young people say, you know. And your music is fun as fuck. Yeah. Straight up kick you in the dick, punch you in your face music. It's fun, man.

Yeah. It's really good shit, man. Like you, I got a great job. You know what I mean? The secondary job of doing the TV show and shit is cool, but I got a great job. You're a great stand-up, man. Like you, I got a great job. You know what I mean? The secondary job of doing the TV show and shit is cool, but I got a great job. You're a great stand-up, man. Thank you. I mean, in the line of Carlin and Hicks, you really push buttons and make motherfuckers

twitch like, oh, shit, and think and go home. And that's rare. It's easy to do kind of shucky shit, but I like your shit. Thanks, man. I appreciate you liking my music. Thanks, man. Yeah, I love your music. Yeah. No, it it's uh i think we both are in tricky businesses you know yeah i i get a lot out of music man i get a lot of fun and energy out of listening to

music i don't have any musical talent at all but when i hear good music i get excited man it fires me up like i mean it's i think it's one of the most important things in our culture in terms of like our ability to generate energy and motivation. It's a vibration. It really is. It really is. With me, man, I think you guys are – I think right now stand-up comedy is the last vestige of freedom of speech in this country. And you guys are to be protected at all costs.

And I think if people don't protect you at all costs, it's going to be at at the at the um for the for the worst of us all i definitely think there's something to that that it's there's very few people that are as free with what they're allowed to say uh like stand-up comedians because we're saying this crazy shit under the guise of it being funny yeah so you can get away with saying a lot of things that won't be criticized as long as people laugh at them and you have a good point if you're just making the points without the joke people wouldn't wouldn't, they don't want to hear it. They get mad at you.

But something about delivering a point with a joke. That's why trigger warning works. Yeah, for sure. It's one of the last ways you can deliver a message that maybe people don't agree with. But if you can make them laugh at some shit they don't even really agree with and they're laughing hard, they'll see a little bit of your point. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah. with and they're laughing hard they'll see a little bit of your point yeah absolutely absolutely yeah when you uh set out to do trigger warning what did what was the what was the initial premise and how much of it did it change until once you got to production and once you started filming you're one of the only people who've asked that question you can you can look business bro yeah straight up bro oh you know yeah bro um, we shot it with FX and we overdid it. It looked really good, but it looked really TV. And it could have been dope, but it would have been a parody of a very real thing I was tempted to do. And right now I'm talking about Cripacola. Turned into at Netflix was a real in your face, simple and plainly shot documentation of the possibilities of barbershop arguments. Right. So in a barbershop argument, you get to say, you know, the only thing that separates Al Capone from Joe Kennedy is Al Capone got caught and eventually died in prison.

And Joe Kennedy went on to produce precedence. But they both have been bootlegged. You know, people say shit like this. Barbershops are. And then you have to go home and be like yourself, like, well, well, damn, if Papa Joe was a bootlegger, like technically it could have went fucked up for him. And we never would have had an American dynasty versus Al catching Sibleys and shit and it not going so well. But him being the preeminent marketing campaign and face of any Capone like thing, you want to sell cigars to a restaurant, right? So I got a chance to say, you know, shit, what if I could do this for my guys?

And again, giving it a shot and giving it a try. I thought of that shit at 15 years old. I started trying to figure out how to do it 10 years ago. Daniel and I got it done eight, nine years later. And now you have this. And I say that just to say that Brian Koppelman, the creator of Billions, is a brilliant writer to me. And he's a friend also.

But Brian has been putting up lately these just encouraging things, telling writers to write, even if your stuff is getting bought, even if you don't think it's good, to write, to push yourself, to push the idea forward. And I've been taking a lot of inspiration for that because Daniel Weinfeld and I, one of the co-writers and co-creators, Daniel and I have been talking and developing this over 10 years. Now I know how to do it, how to go in a room, how to get it. You know, it won't take me 10 years for the next one, but it was worth the struggle.

You know, it was worth doing that. It was worth tweaking my idea. It was worth critiquing my idea to be like the first time around, like, nah, it's not, it's not what it should be because I was nervous as shit the night before it came out about everything in it. You know, the, the, what it came out about everything in it. What scenes were shot? How did it look? The production value? And now seeing people get it and unlike

a lot of other artists not have to call yourself a genius. Let me tell people something. Every artist thinks they're a genius. Every comedian thinks they're fucking Richard Pryor. In some part of your mind, you have to think you're great or why do it? You have to believe there's greatness in you, right? But I never wanted to be the guy.

I'm a fucking genius. You know what I mean? I just never wanted. But to see it, because I always thought the idea was genius. Like, fuck that shit. You remember real people that used to come on in the 70s, 80s? I remember watching that show as a kid looking at motherfuckers like, wow, these motherfuckers exist in these off far places like Iowa and Kansas. And I wanted to approach it. I wanted to approach people in a very I'm here right in front of you kind of way, not above you, not celebrity.

Michael Moorish. But people know I'm a rapper and it gave me that opportunity. And people can say it's genius and I'm going to say I'm humbled and honored. can say is genius and I'm going to say I'm humbled and honored, but you're fucking right. And it's genius because I'm engaging people at a regular human level, not at the level of celebrity or power that used to be an engaged, but one that allows them to fully open up. I haven't seen it on TV since some shit like real people. No, I haven't seen revolutionary TV like the Jeffersons or, you know, all in the family or mod. And I think that the world is getting scary

and pussy, to be honest. Not to disrespect pussies, because pussies are tough, but I think that something needs to be dangerous. The best compliment I got on this press run has been like Ambrosia. Ambrosia for Head said, how does it feel to have the most dangerous show on TV?

And it's dangerous because it unites people. It doesn't separate people. It gives you alternative answers than the ones you thought you had and it forces you to think. It doesn't solve all the problems or wrap it up pretty at the end. It gives you some options to do and some shit to think about. And it's funny as fuck. It's subversive and dark and I like it.

I gotta imagine Netflix gave you plenty of room. Yeah! They weren't tripping, man. They don't trip no they don't trip let's go you know what you're doing go ahead yeah exactly and then you walk up the room like i don't know what the fuck i'm doing but they're smart enough to let people create their own shit like for stand-up comedy there's no one better in terms of like interacting with them about a special you don't have to give many notes on the material you just they they know that you're going to do your best that's dope yeah

they don't they can't help you like no one can help you as a comic there's not another person like an executive that's going to help you do your best you gotta you gotta be looking at it yourself ruthlessly and you'll figure it out and so they trust you yeah so i would assume they did the same thing with you yeah yeah perfect beautiful. Perfect. Beautiful. What a world. Yeah. Forever, it was the opposite. There was 50 fucking cooks in the kitchen. Everybody's pulling you this way.

You need a gay neighbor. Telling you what to do with your shit. Yeah. You need a fucking theme song. You need a thing you say every week. What you talk about, Willis? Exactly. You needed a hook. Everybody needed a hook.

Oh, shit. Who said that? Shouts out to different strokes. Oh, my God. Shouts out the different strokes oh my god shouts out the different strokes yeah what a weird change in that short amount of time from different strokes today in the world that's the weirdest thing um i'm older than you but uh not so much older we grew up in similar times. I'm 51. Yeah. You know, when we were children, for both of us, the world was a way different place than it is for children today. Yeah. These kids are being forced to turbocharge their evolution and their education. Every kid over the age of, like, 13 has a phone, basically.

This is true. Parents hang in there as long as they can. This is true. And when the kid's 13, here's the whole world you little fuck good luck and the whole world at a push of a button where my grandmother would get encyclopedias every four years and I couldn't wait to get the new set

because you got to read and learn new information and now that information is right there but if they aren't genuinely curious and interested it'll die right there well there's also a lot of things other than that information. It's not just an information device. These fucking apps these kids are using back and forth with each other and games. So addictive.

We used to have this place called Outside, too. That was amazing. Yeah, outdoors. Yeah, I just, man, I'd go and I'd be gone for hours and I'd return dirty as fuck having went on an adventure. That was amazing. Now even outdoors is regulated to some degree. Also, you worry about child molesters and fucking creeps. You do.

You worry about shit. We've almost heard too much about what's possible. And then the fact that there are really still child molesters out there. They do exist. And we also send them to church with them. So some of our worries are exasperated. Yes, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, that's one of the weirdest things ever.

More than likely the child molestation is going to happen at a place that's real married. We should be getting outside again. I started, man, my man told my wife, you know, get Michael a leaf blower. He'll just start going back outside. So I started looking for leaf blowers. And I started taking, instead of having my nephew do it because I'm running around on tour and shit,

just when I'm home, taking my own trash up and down and spending some time fucking around in my yard, watching around and stuff. I realized, being a rapper and living on a tour bus how much I had stopped going outside. Meanwhile, my cousins are fucking hogging in East Georgia. And I'm just like, if it went down tomorrow, I'd be fucked. I'm rusty as a nail in the rain right now. So I definitely think there's something to be said for introducing

your kids to maybe a little more of what it was like 20 30 years or 30 40 years ago you know well just imagine that human beings lived before houses yeah there was humans and then they figured out shelter you know that or some kind of rather some kind of primate and then that primate figured out shelter and eventually became a human is a better way to describe it but that we lived something like us lived and it hadn't even figured out roofs yet yeah yeah i mean i love to watch those those videos or youtubes where it's usually they and these people are they're dark in their age so um it has to be the india or southeast asia somewhere but they that you'll see two dudes they they'll just make a fucking hut or something out of mud.

They'll make a pool. But you get to see the ingenuity. And you understand if their quote unquote primitive culture never does that, we never get to skyscrapers. Like Jacque Fresco talks about that. Like there's nothing new. Everything you see is an improvement or some variation of something they've seen before. Yeah.

So that, those, you know, just the curiosity to do that or the necessity to build that shelter now gives you Trump Towers. Well, that's where the dark side of it comes from. The dark side for me is that with this innovation, that it happens almost unchecked in terms of our ability to think about what are the consequences. What are the consequences if we keep making things better and better computers and artificial life and artificial intelligence what are the consequences the consequences are there's no more this thing there's no more weird pink monkey thing yeah that that thing goes away because we don't need it anymore now we got a new

life form the new life form is digital life yeah i mean that's the real real concern is that just like we are an evolution of those lower primates, it's going to be an evolution of us. Well, yeah, I think that's going to happen. I don't think, you know, there may not be any avoiding it. Again, we're the virus, you know. And this is just one of my thoughts. This isn't me saying unequivocally that we're other viruses. The thing is I like people.

This is the other side of it. People are cool. I often pray that aliens go ahead and attack this motherfucker. So white people and black people will cut the bullshit and finally have to unite like one great movie of Red October. Dude, I think we're going to get our asses kicked every single time. I'm not saying we're not, but at least for one time in humanity, all the empires would have to unite.

That's what I'm saying. Do you remember that Reagan speech? No. You never heard it? Uh-uh. Reagan actually said that. I forget who he was addressing you may be the first person to ask besides him putting in the civil right that i mean the king day you might give me the only other thing i like about ronald reagan it was a very

strange thing he said and one of the things that was really strange about it uh was that it's it shot off this gigantic wave of conspiracy theorists who are thinking that they're going to tell us something about alien contact. Check this out. Listen to this. Some outside universal threat. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. Dude. if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world dude and yet i ask you is not an alien force already among us what could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war tell you what dude ronald reagan knocked it out of the fucking park right there no No matter what you say.

Straight up. I have a song called Reagan. Many of you know. Wasn't the biggest fan of him or many U.S. presidents because I rapped about more than him in there. But that definitely is going to make it on a Killer Mike song. Really? That, that, that. I have to.

You got it. You got it. This is Killer Mike and LP. We definitely, if anybody, think aliens are going to come kill us all one day. So I'm going to maybe suggest to Elle, hopefully you'll use it, but if not, fuck it, I'm going to do it. That shit is amazing. Yeah. Do you think that it is possible that aliens came down and manipulated the genetics

of lower primates and created people? I'm willing, based on all the theology, I'm willing to accept that that's a possibility. Because I don't think that we're alone. I just don't. There's nothing. Even if there's some divine thing that woke up and decided to make us and we're special children and we're on Earth as a blue planet,

there had to have been some other things made or played with, right? I don't think that. I think it's very arrogant as a human being to think that it's just us, right? And I think that the possibility that something made it here and something happened exists absolutely because if if we're experimenting on animals and things we got like we're my daughters are me their temperament is me their curiosity is me like i see i'm looking at michael and i'm looking at Aniyah, and I'm like, arguing with Aniyah is like arguing with myself. She doesn't know why she acts like that.

I don't know. Now, if I can look at my pit bull and say, well, her mother acted like this, and this is why I know she's coded this way. I know her father was. Then I have to look at my daughter and say on a genetic basis, 23 of my chromosomes, I know our temperament is like that. I know why Michael is not going to argue. She's a smart kid. She's an art student. But the minute you put her in danger, she's going to punch you. You know what I mean?

That's what it's going to be. And it's not going to be anything else because she is going to protect her. So it's like, I have to think that my curiosity of nothing else, my drive to do this. So if you take the primate side, you say, well, you know that I have to live amongst this. I've got to survive. There's wolves, there's lions,

tigers, bears out here. I have to go high. I have to create shelter. There's something else with a very small input could have dropped here, landed here. And what's crazy, if you look into the Nation of Islam philosophy of sorts, they have a UFO type philosophy. Something here, and by their mind, the scientists

created all of that. Wintersh their mind, a scientist created all of that, went ashore and kind of created the different races. But something could have come here, and it gets here, and it says, boom, if I do this and this and I create this, and then we set upon evolution, we end up here. Or that just could be, you know,

me stoned having watched too many sci-fi movies. But it's possible. It is possible. There's zero evidence for it. But it's certainly possible that if we could go to another planet that we knew had life, that it's possible if we found some lower primates that we would manipulate them. It's very possible. If we had a full survey of another planet, we got there and like, okay, here's the good news.

Good news, a lot of life. Bad news is the most intelligent thing is basically a chimp. But we got some ideas and what we're going to do is we're going to plant some seeds of our genetics in some of these chimps. They're going to be smarter than the other chimps and then we're going to leave mushrooms everywhere. Why that? Leave the mushrooms everywhere.

Let the chimps eat the mushrooms. Maybe we're in a fishbowl. Maybe. Yeah, because again we very arrogantly think of ourselves as top choice but maybe we're just a virus on this living thing maybe we say mm but you think about it we could go extinct

a mass virus could kill us all that's what we're constantly fighting the earth wouldn't stop but the thing about a virus is a virus is wholly negative in our eyes I don't think we're wholly negative to each other I don't think a virus wholly negative to each other. I don't think a virus thinks it's wholly negative.

When they're eating you up, you're having a good party, when you get the flu, they're like, dude, it's a party up in this bitch. If this thing is really a living thing, if the earth is really a living thing, we are possibly the worst things for it. Oh, for sure. Why shouldn't it get rid of us? Other than meteors. Yeah. Yeah. We're the worst thing for not just the biological life, but the particulates in the atmosphere. And now we're creating technology that's going to eventually kill us and get rid of us that may be able to live in harmony with biology.

Maybe. So, yeah, maybe it's over for us in a few thousand years. It could be. But, you know, the thing that makes us fun is the thing that's totally unnecessary. It's the thing that got us to the dance. It's the thing that made us want to breed. And there's the animal side. I got to piss so bad.

I give you that. The animal side. You have to embrace your primal. It's there. It's a part of you. You've existed in this state for a long time. Absolutely. And the people that came before that were savages still.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. I always think that to myself when i hear people say why did he throw it all away you just think to yourself because that bitch was hot you can't fight nature nature's a crazy gene crazy yeah and that's the reason why there's seven billion of us this it's insane drive this computer code that's in the back of your head that's constantly running yeah the species must survive it must that's in the back of your head that's constantly running. Yeah, the species must survive.

It must. That's really all we put here to do is reproduce. Well, we're doing that. The way I've been describing it is that I feel like we're some sort of electronic caterpillar that's making a cocoon. We don't even know what the fuck we're doing. We're about to become a butterfly. We're just making this cocoon. We're just completely engulfed in it.

We're not thinking about it, but everyone does it. They all do it. That's how I felt like. When I see all this stuff getting better and better and more invasive in your life and the technology becoming more and more advanced and everybody obsessed with it, that's the thing I think is like this is eventually going to be everything. It's going to be way better than this physical life. They're going to offer you a life that exists just like The Matrix. matrix sounded like such horseshit fun fun movie great movie and shit but like that

can never happen now i think for sure it could happen a hundred percent it could happen i see that there's no question if they could make a world that's better than this and all you have to do is plug the back your head to it let's see i think that's better than this and all you had to do is plug the back of your head to it. Let's see. I think that's. And again, if I'm 89, I might say fucking to plug in for another 80, 89 years. Yeah. And maybe if they keep your flesh alive, they'll figure out some way to reverse everything. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe.

You think. I mean, but then you got to decide who gets to live, who gets to die. Yep. Then you go into elitism classes. Everything's messy. And then you got to go to kill your master's mode. And that's what I think happens ultimately. The other thing they say is that as people get more affluent, they have less children,

and the population decreases as the world's economy evens out. And so that we reach like a point where we can maintain a sustainable population. How does that still happen without mass genocide or mass sterilization? That's a good question. I don't think they're saying that. I think what they're saying is that as people become more educated and more affluent and more successful, as more urbanization takes place, people work more and have less children. And when they have less children, the population actually slightly decreases.

People who make more money fuck more. People who fuck more have less children, the population actually slightly decreases. People who make more money fuck more. People who fuck more have more children. That's one of those stats where I'm going to be like, they might just be talking about a particular class of people. There's still 7 billion people. Yeah, there's still 7 billion people. Who live mostly for under $22,000 a year. And usually every time development comes, it exploits them. Yes.

So where does the balance out of influence come in? I know there's one country now that's doing a universal pay for people. So are we going to talk about going – because when you go to – like, does that happen? Is that it? We're going to universal pay? Well, universal pay would be fine if it was universal effort. If everybody did put out the same amount of effort, I would agree with everyone getting the same amount of pay. No, I'm not saying I'm for or against that.

I'm just saying how do you maintain – how does it happen that everybody all of a sudden is affluent without mass genocide or sterilization? Well, I think the idea is that as urban – listen, this is not my theory for sure, but I've read it. The idea is as the world becomes more urbanized and more educated and more wealthy as cities spread out what happens is less those people have kids and they have less kids this is just uh that doesn't work i don't know if it works or not but i know that this is an actual study right see if you can find that people are vain as fuck some people are yeah most people are but but the overall humans once people have serious careers like the man and the woman have a serious career, both of them are really invested in their career, they generally tend to have less kids.

And this is the idea is that as this people, I don't think it's a solution. I don't think it's a good solution. Make people become obsessed with work. That's one of those things where the rest of the world's just not. That sounds like I'm still talking about America. Poor people are fucking, man. So so again it just goes back to me like i hear those studies joe but you got to say to yourself how do you handle the other four billion people i think the argument is and this is not my argument where do they go they keep they keep expanding is that these cities in these urban

areas uh that as the society sort of evens out globally, whether it takes 1,000 years or 100 years, as things start to even out, people will be more like Los Angeles and less like poor places like Calcutta. Yeah, but that's like – but what I'm saying is like poor places in Calcutta, you got a bunch of people walking, it's bumping, it's noisy. It could be Los Angeles, you got smog, you got traffic, you got shreds. Those are two different extremes that just seem weird.

I'm just saying, sometimes I just feel like maybe we're at the point it ain't no turning around. We might be. Yeah, just because we got 7 billion people. We might be, but we also might not be. And I think it's not a bad time to be optimistic because as people look for better and better solutions.

But not be and i think it's not a bad time to be optimistic because as people look for better and better solutions yeah yeah but but but like jock fresco and the venus project talking about moneyless societies the radical change of what are political states and things of that nature chomsky talks about you know essentially all all countries essentially now no matter western or eastern oligarchies and shit. So what's the radical departure from this then that saves it all? In your mind, what's the Joe Rogan United Nations speech? I think people are more aware of the flaws of the system than they ever have been any generation previous. I think when you look at kids from the 70s and the 80s, I don't think they were nearly as educated as to how truly fucked up this country is, but also yet truly amazing in terms of the history of the world, but has plenty to improve on, but probably will.

I think people are getting better at life. They're getting better at all the things, and government will come along with it. I think we're going to get better at things. We understand each other better. We communicate better. I'm optimistic. And I think with all these incredibly intelligent people

that are looking at the problems in the world in terms of carbon in the atmosphere or pollution in the ocean, people are already starting to work on solutions. I'm really optimistic that there's at least the potential for someone to figure out some solutions

to some of these problems. Overpopulation is always going to be a weird one because you don't have the right to tell people how many kids they can have. Yeah. Because if you meet somebody and he's got 10 kids and the most fucking amazing family ever,

what are you going to say? It's bad? They have 10 amazing kids. Everybody's great. You go over the house, it's all love. Yeah. What the fuck? Why is that bad? So so people are good but only a certain amount yeah exactly that's where it gets weird but but it's not a cut and dry issue it's not a one or a zero it's like

yeah there are too many people and yeah you probably shouldn't have 10 kids but you got a fucking awesome family so hey have a good night man i don't know what the fuck to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. I'm just speaking as one of the brown people. This scenario just never went well for us. So I'm always checking out. You can't tell people what to do. You're just always watching. You know what I'm saying?

That scenario usually doesn't go good. Telling people how many kids they can have, get the fuck out. That is crazy. But it happens. Like, it happens. And you think about countries where refugees are pointing to now just put up illegal sterilizations. And you start to see where countries are sterilizing refugees that are coming in. It's crazy. And it's scary.

It's terrifying. And I don't want my country to become that like i remember what countries have sterilized people as they've come in i've read a story about it once that they did that to some refugees somewhere but i can't remember where it was yeah i can't remember either we should probably know so yeah but i am country accused of sterilizing refugees maybe that was just a rumor maybe but it's not a far off room i could imagine that happening here not saying not saying with some people if they had their way yeah like that and that's scary to think about that these are the people we put in power like you know what was cool to me about what miss ellison taught me

she was a she was a teacher she had one leg right she and she wore like a curly larian mold three she wore the the like the little mushroom hairstyle curled up. And she was mean as shit, man. Like, God damn, she was mean. But this lady talked the fucking. She taught civics. And when she taught about how even if your parents weren't naturalized, they weren't citizens, if you were just born on U.S. soil, you got a shot.

You know, you were a citizen. And I was just like, damn, that's amazing. Because when you think about at that time, we had learned about, I think, in history, the Irish and their plight to be here and things of that nature. Just like, man, this country gives you a fucking shot. And this is like when America was rattled. This is in the middle of public enemy era and shit. But there was something to be admired in that.

Like James Baldwin had an adoration for america that many people didn't even know he ended up dying you know as he's living in france i think the expectation the dream that america tells you man this shit is amazing or it can be and to know that that was the possibility then and now my kids don't think like that my kids are dead in the middle of keeping people out that shit is fucking weird so in lifetime, I'm scared that that's something I might see happen in this country. That's how afraid I am right now with shit going fucked up. That's what I mean when I say, when you say, well, we'll have a government or a world one day where people will be more affluent. Well, in capitalism, even though I'm a capitalist, you know, I try to practice compassion capitalism.

In capitalism, capitalism requires someone gets snookered. Does it really? The way we practice it, absolutely. Ideally, you shouldn't. It should be more like Milton Friedman and the free market and what Thomas Sowell talked about. Not we as in you and I. But you and I engage in capitalism. Yeah, you and I engage in capitalism is a lot more fair than what countries are doing with one another.

So large scale stuff. Yeah. Okay. That's why I say the current system of capitalism. There's nothing wrong with you being able to buy that beautiful Jeep outside based on the work you've done. Your work ethic will determine your worth. It's written in the window of my barbershop. And I really mean that, right?

Your work ethic is going to determine what you work. Even if there's no such thing as money, if you plow your fields, you're going to be more bountiful so long as the rain gives you something. Let me ask you this. Do you think it's the system of capitalism itself that has the flaws in it, or is it human nature and people's desire to exploit things? I think it's human nature unchecked in that system. Okay. You know, I think that allowing marijuana to become legal should not have allowed the type of taxation that's been allowed in California. Colorado was at one point in time was 39%. Yeah. What is it in California?

I don't know, but it's high enough that I've seen an ounce a week go from about $150 to 320 bucks. I think that's terrible, but I would like it if all that money went to a good purpose. But we know it's not. Yeah, that's the problem. See, that's what I'm saying. Where's that money going? There we go. There's the fucking shit.

You know what I'm saying? That's the shit. It never lands where it should. It never does what it's supposed to do. Right, right. That's what I'm getting to. That's why I say it with the scenario, when I say, you know, I don't want to be that guy,

but you just don't go good for Brownlee, just because you're just just like God fucking damn. Yeah. Like why isn't good happening in the immediate because so much money is pushed into the immediate. Well, if we does become legal worldwide, it's entire countrywide. It's entirely possible that it's going to stimulate economies in a lot of very poor places. It's going to have some real positive benefit. I agree. But what I'm saying about capitalism is why are we not ensuring that the people who have suffered since 1937 have a fair shot, right? We've allowed so many laws to come in with marijuana legalization that it does not allow for the small businessman to have the type of ingenuity of setup that a small liquor store had at the end of Prohibition or bar. Jamie was telling me that in Ohio they were setting it up so they were trying to make it legal, but only two guys can grow it.

Two enormous corporations. That was the bill, right? Is that how it worked, Jamie? I believe it might have been four or something. Four. It wasn't a lot. Some small amount of people. They were the only ones who could grow it and sell it.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, bro. We know that's fucked up. That's so crazy that they wouldn't even ask for that. We know that's fucked up. When it should just be, you're allowed to grow it with a $100 state federal tax. I mean, a state tax stamp. You get a state tax stamp for $100. You can grow up to three acres of marijuana.

Bam. Love it. Love it. Perfect. Love it. Love it. Perfect. Love it. Do your shit. And then the growers have to buy from you. So if a farmer wants to make a collective with four of the farmers, they're making that collective. But we shouldn't be able to

allow that type of domination. Because essentially then you're just giving people monopolies of sorts. So it's like I don't trust us to, to be on our shit enough with the people we leave in charge. Right. Well,

it also, it wouldn't make sense in any other relationship and any other relationship where all someone is saying is, if I let you sell something, you give me a certain percentage because you're basically saying that all of this, the frameworks of our government and the the city's roads that you drive on all that stuff takes money to maintain so we're just

going to take a little piece no they're taking 39 percent yeah that's so much you should but if that 39 went all to uh public schools and paying teachers more money and paying cops and paying firemen and community centers. But beyond just paying, again, son of a former cop, cousin of current cops, policemen should be from areas that they're policing or areas like those. They should be offered no interest loans to live at and around those communities. Teachers should be also and the fire department. They should almost hold a special place because of the nobility of those jobs and how important they are. We also should do stuff like tax freezes once you retire. Whatever your taxes are, once you retire at 65 years old, we should knock maybe 10, 20 percent off.

And that's what you pay until you die. be 10, 20% off, and that's what you pay until you die. You know what I mean? We should do everything we can to make the class of people you're saying about affluence possible, and we're not doing it. I guess that's the only button I'm pushing when I seem, because I'm a very optimistic person, but my pessimism comes more from the lack of what I've seen us be willing to do to make sure that one another are treated fairly than I have seen for right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I refuse to disavow. You know what I mean? Do you think that's just an attitude, though, and that people evolve that attitude? I don't know. People realize how important cooperation really is. Do we, though, without being attacked by some of us? Some of us do. Some of us do.

You do. Absolutely. And I do. There us do You do Absolutely Yeah you do And I do There's people that do And it takes a hard It's a hard knock Into your head To really let it sink in

Yeah But once you do let it sink in And you live your life that way Yeah Reciprocity And friendship for all And camaraderie Absolutely

It's a richer life It's a better life Absolutely The problem is People aren't taught it They're not taught it enough They're not taught it And men are taught

To face each other And to hate each other And to hate on other, and to hate on each other, and to look at each other with a famine mentality or scarcity mentality. That's lame. It's the lamest shit alive. That is lame. The opposite is beautiful. The opposite where you're uplifting people.

And like you, you've gave out 35 shout outs. You're a happy dude. You're a positive dude. That's what it's all about, man. That makes me feel better that there's people like you out there. It makes people feel better when they listen to your music and they enjoy it that you're this guy behind it that's not taking any of this for granted and you're running with this shit yeah absolutely i appreciate it it's beautiful man i love it

dude we just did three hours i it felt like three a good three two i'm gonna tell my wife i pulled off for 20 minutes it was incredible yeah i was hanging in there tight. But listen, man, I'm a big fan. I'm honored that you came down here and did this. It was beautiful for me. I enjoyed it very much, and I love your shit. I love you, brother. Tell people how to get you online. I'm just Killer Mike online.

K-I-L-L-E-R-M-I-K-E. Instagram, Twitter, all that shit. Yeah, I don't go to my Facebook. That's one of my kids running that shit. Okay. So don't send titty pics. Thank you, brother my kids running that shit. Okay. So don't send titty pics. Thank you,

brother. Appreciate it, man. Peace.