The Joe Rogan Experience - #1239 - Travis Barker

Episode Date: February 5, 2019

Travis Barker is a musician, songwriter, and record producer, best known as the drummer for the rock band Blink-182.

let's do it four one boom hello travis what's going on thanks man thanks for doing this i really appreciate it stoked to be here it's cool to have you hey so i wanted to talk about what we're talking about right before we started i've always watched you play drums and i'm like how the fuck does that guy's arms not fall off i mean you you have so much repetitive motion. I've never understood how you could do that. Just barely. No, I kind of. Pull this thing right up like a fist from your face. There we go.

I always do battle ropes. Oh, okay. That must do something. Constantly. Like I'll do 30 minutes. You know, not high intensity the whole time, but just keep my shoulders and arms moving as I prepare for a tour. But, yeah, I think my wrists probably have gone through the most hell over the years like i just

feel like just normal people's wrist strength i probably don't have because there's been so much grinding like they pop and oh jesus do all sorts of weird things but yeah but i'm still you know i feel like because i do battle ropes and because I box and kind of work out fast twitch muscles, I really don't get tired. It's amazing. Like, because so many people have repetitive stress injuries. Yeah. You know, I mean, even secretaries, they get carpal tunnel. You know, people who write a lot get carpal tunnel.

Kids are getting injuries on their thumbs from, you know, fucking around with their phone too much. Yeah. I felt like when I smoked cigarettes a lot, I was feeling kind of the first symptoms of that stuff. I wasn't drinking a lot. I was kind of a dumpster on tour, not really taking care of my body, and I could really feel it. And then, are you still vegan?

Yeah. And you run that restaurant, right? What's it, Crossroads? Or it's one of the owners? Running it is saying a lot. I couldn't do that. I shouldn't have said running it. No, Tal Ronan is the man.

He's like the illest vegan chef ever. He's like an old punk rock hardcore guy, like new John Joseph. Yeah, John Joseph keeps trying to get me to go there. And I almost went last time he was in town with him. Next time I'm going to make it down there. I think probably 80% to 90% of the people that eat there aren't vegan because it's that good. Yeah, that's what I hear. Dana White said that.

Yeah. Yeah, Dana, we usually have dinner there when he's in town. So I think for Dana to be able to sit through it and enjoy it and Matt Serra, I think he brought everyone for like, I don't know if it was like Fight Companion. It was like one of those fight shows. Yeah, it was Dana White's Looking for a fight yeah youtube show yeah i was on tour but they facetimed me from there but yeah tal is uh like a g he's the best vegan chef in the world by far that's cool how did you get involved with that is it were you were you already you were cleaning

your diet up because of your your injuries or because you were trying to keep your body tuned for drumming or you just wanted to clean it up, period? No, I was vegetarian since I was 13. Really? Yeah. And then after my accident, I was in the hospital, actually. Long story that I'll just sum up into a real quick piece. Yeah.

And I had to eat meat in the hospital because they didn't have any other kind of vegan options of protein so i'd eat bags of beef jerky whatever they would give me whatever i could stomach and not like kind of like think about what i was eating because i wasn't eating at all uh and i was just ditching my food giving it to my friends because i didn't want to eat any of it and i got caught so long story, I ate a little bit of meat in the hospital, and when I got out, I just felt like the next evolution of my eating would try and be vegan. And it was so easy in L.A. because we have so many great vegan restaurants. So yeah, that was pretty much it.

I was already vegan. I was actually at a Bad Brain show, one of the best hardcore bands in the world to ever ever do it and tal approached me there saying hey i had this idea for a restaurant i'd really like to be you know you to be involved and i said say no more just tell me what you need because i was familiar before of course that's a weird thing to approach someone with it hey man i'm thinking about opening up a restaurant yeah i need this drummer yeah No, I think he was just reaching out to friends and family because he was Oprah's chef and he was Ellen DeGeneres' chef. And he was all these, like, you know, really high-profile people's vegan chef

when they would, you know, do a vegan diet for however long, some forever, some just like a two-week thing. But I think he just got to the point where he wanted to do something for himself and then crossroads was born and i knew how good he was so i just told him say no more tell me what you need from me and i'm there and then it just you know i think it's been five years now well it's got a fantastic reputation yeah i know a bunch of people that have eaten there and they love it well it's not because of me it's because of tal and his food for sure yeah tal and scott the chefs there are just you know the best now how hands-on were you in the were you just one of

the people promoting it like how hands-on were you with the construction of it or nothing with like the decor or anything he would run stuff by us like hey check this out tell us what you guys think of this. As you know, there's basically menus change every season. So it's not the same menu all year long. So as we prepare for the next season's menu, he's like testing it on us the season prior. So he'll be bringing out dishes and letting us try it.

But yeah, he curates the whole thing. That's interesting. So when he gets his food, when he's preparing his food, is he getting his stuff directly from farmers? Like how is he getting his food? Yeah, directly from farms, yeah. So he has to curate these relationships with these farmers and just go visit them and find out how they're growing their food.

Yeah, and you'll be all set with a menu if it's fall, but then those same vegetables aren't in season. So he has to rethink everything for the next season and not kind of repeat himself. So it's really, he's really got it down to a science. And how long has he been vegan for? I don't know how long Tal's been vegan. I've never really asked. Cause it's gotta be incredibly difficult to be a vegan chef. I would imagine being a regular chef is difficult, but when you put all those restrictions, you know, and just you have to make things taste interesting and different. Yeah, I think that's where Chef Scott comes in because he's actually comes from a meat background. So he was working

at Italian restaurants and Italian Mediterranean restaurants that cooked everything. So it was infusing this vegan, obviously, like lifestyle of eating with, you know, Chef Scott's taste as well. So I think he had to think that out to where it would appeal and meat eaters would eat there too and not really notice a difference. Because I agree, you know, sometimes I'll be on tour and you go to a vegan spot and I'll take my bus driver in or whoever's traveling with me and they're like, oh, man, this is rough. They can't stand it. Crossroads is not one of those spots where you're thinking about, man, I might not enjoy this meal. There's some good spots.

LA has some great spots. You ever go to Follow Your Heart in the Valley? All the time. It's a great spot. Yeah, that's the spot close to home that I love. Follow Your Heart, shout out to Airwan erwan has like good vegan options uh chef ito who has a spot in downtown called alok who took a vow of silence 22 years ago yeah what he's special man yeah 22 years ago took a vow of silence and he's's done? No more talking? No more talking.

What in the fuck is that about? So he just communicates. He has a lot to say, he'll write it down. Oh, my God. Other than that, you just read the lips, and I know what he's saying. But he shows up to it. Oh, that's so crazy. Yeah.

He takes a lot of photos, so he'll show up to punk or rap, whatever show I'm playing. He's in the pit with his camera, this silent guy who doesn't say a word. Yeah, and his cooking is phenomenal. But yeah, L.A., we're spoiled with great vegan restaurants. That's a fucking trip. 22 years of no talking? Yeah, he also does this juicing where this year he juiced for 189 days with no food. Wow, what did he get down to i think he was yeah he lost about

20 something pounds fuck yeah he does it every year wow yeah he's trying to vanish right he's trying to not talk i don't think i could do it yeah intermittent fasting is like as much as i can do yeah i do that every night, but that's... The vow of silence is freaking me out. Yeah, and I've never really pried and kind of like asked a bunch of questions why. Because they don't even have to write a lot. Yeah, that too, but no, I've been around when people ask him, he just said he wanted a timeout.

For 22 years? Yeah. That's a serious fucking timeout. How old is homeboy? He's gotta be Probably in his 50s So almost half his life Yeah

What the fuck man Yep But he spends Christmas with me Spends Thanksgiving With my family and I Oh that's cool Yeah it's pretty cool And everybody just smiles at him

Yeah everyone just smiles And waves basically He'd be a good guy To sit next to someone Who's on coke Totally Because they would just Talk his fucking ear off

And he'd just be sitting there all silent. Yeah, not yesterday. And they'd just blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Fuck, man. That is, I've never even heard of anything like that. Does he make any noises? Does he whistle?

No. I've heard him snort one time when he was laughing hella hard, but that was about as close as it gets. So he doesn't laugh out loud? Like, ha, ha, ha, ha? Wow. Yeah, nothing. Terrible comedy club audience member.

Yeah, it would be rough. He has a march, too. It's called March of Silence. It happens once a year, where you have a bunch of them that basically, you know, and they're basically marching for the March of Silence for, like, the cruelty of animals and whatever else. I'd like to have him on the podcast and see how long I can talk to him for. Yeah. And they're basically marching for the march of silence for like the cruelty of animals and whatever else. So, yeah.

I'd like to have him on the podcast and see how long I can talk to him for. Yeah. Just to see what it would be like. That's so strange. It sounds cool. I mean, I love that there's people like that out there, though. I do. I love hearing those stories.

The world needs him, you know? When you said that, I got excited. Like the guy's been silent for 20. I'm like, whoa. You know, there's something about that that makes you go, wow. I was talking hella loud when I first met him. And he was like, I can hear you. I was like, oh, man.

Because I was trying to wrap my head around. No one did an introduction going, hey, this guy's silent. Oh, they didn't tell you? No. I had no idea. So I'm talking really loud, and he just whispers to me, like mouths to me, I can hear you. And I was like, okay.

And then I just figured it out over time. Wow. He's silent by choice. Whew. Yeah. That's heavy. Is he involved in heavy meditation or Buddhism or anything very strange like that?

Yeah, he meditates. I think he has a lot of kind of Buddhist qualities. I think if he had to lean in some kind of religion or practice, it would be that. Wow. Yeah. That's intense. That's a serious commitment, man. Yeah.

I couldn't even imagine going 22 days without talking. A day, I think. Anything, I think we'd catch ourselves it being very hard. I was going to get my tonsils and adenoids removed because I have sleep apnea because I have a fat neck. But I found a mouthpiece that I can sleep with that keeps my tongue from falling over. Because I have a – when your neck is thick your wind hole is smaller believe it or not because the more muscle you put in the smaller your your hole gets and then if you have a big tongue when you lay back you can actually block your airway wow yeah and so friends

that i know have had their adenoids and their tonsils removed and they actually take some of the soft tissue out of your your passageway so you can breathe easier but the problem is you can't talk for like seven days oh yeah that would probably be rough for you for me yeah yeah i wonder if wide neck you know like the the the internet phenomenon i wonder if he has the same problem i get that guy must sleep terrible yeah yeah his neck starts up here it's crazy his neck starts at the top of his ears it works its way to his shoulders tonsils out is a uh it's a bum out i did that did you yeah did you have tonsillitis or um nah you know what i had is i had i was smoking tons of weed right like but i would smoke backwoods like i loved woods so yeah everything he's right here I got them right here Yeah

So I'd smoke about 20 20 backwards a day Ah that's a lot Easily Yeah And I was recording an album With the transplants And I turned to Skinhead Robin

I was like Yo I think I think I have something like Something's lodged in my throat Like I can barely breathe right now And Kept smoking Didn't even

You know I didn't I didn't really know what was going on and then i went to the hospital that night and they rushed me to another hospital to get my tonsils removed because they were like twice the size that they should be and then i had a throat infection and then it comes to find out i had what's called like barrett's esophagus which is like pre-cancer lining my esophagus from smoking and I don't know, I guess just abuse over the years. So that was, that's what led to my tonsils being pulled out. These are serious.

Like when you think about this, like you probably shouldn't smoke too many of these because it's just plain tobacco. I love, I love them though. It got to the point where I couldn't smoke joints. I couldn't smoke out of a bong, a pipe. It had to be a backwood. That's where I am. Yeah. I'm at that spot. I love it. I like them though It got to the point Where I couldn't smoke joints I couldn't smoke out of a bong Yeah A pipe It had to be a backwood That's where I am Yeah

I'm at that spot I love it I like them Did you ever smoke cigarettes? No See I did I smoked a lot of cigarettes And then

I quit smoking cigarettes Just smoked weed And then I discovered backwoods And I was kind of getting A little bit of both I was still getting the tobacco That I missed But yeah

Yeah my friend Ari said that He started smoking spliffs in England. And when he was over in the UK, they mixed the weed with the tobacco, and he got totally hooked on tobacco again because he had quit cigarettes for years. And then he started smoking the weed mixed with the tobacco, and before he knew it, he was smoking cigarettes again. Yeah. So he smoked while he was over there, and then he quit as soon as he was done, and then came back to the U.S.

Yeah, I feel like they just started smoking just pure weed over there. Just berries. For years, it was both. Yeah, I don't understand that. Like, how'd that work out over there? Yeah, I don't know. But it's still so illegal over there, too. It's like, Jesus fucking Christ.

It's 2019, fellas. It's killing the times. When I used to fly over there, we'd have to tape tons of weed to our nuts there too it's like jesus fucking christ it's 2019 fellas it's killing the times when i used to fly over there we'd have to tape tons of weed to our nuts just just to be able to and in our road cases just so we could smoke over there because they had dirt weed yeah it was horrible weed but yeah it was a pain in the ass it's fucking dangerous bringing that stuff overseas though yeah if you get arrested that's that's serious yeah i brought it so i'd bring it everywhere like that and we went to iraq tape uh like gaff tape which is the worst man i feel like you tear the

the first layer of your nuts off when you go to grab your weed but yeah we would do that and then that's a commitment though yeah i actually brought it i made the big mistake of not bringing a bunch but i got to iraq we went to iraq for like right when the war broke out what was it like 2003 or 2004 and we were over there and and uh scandalous estevan aureole the photographer he's over there with us documenting the whole thing and i pull it out because we're at this this airport in balrain but i feel like it's a field and no one's gonna mess with us and he's like hey bro look look at look at the back of your fucking passport look what it says and it says right there like you're basically like they'll kill you if they if they find you know you brought any drugs

into iraq or you know where we were balrain so i did away with everything and i just kind of took up drinking i'm not sure and i'm not really much of a drinker. Do you still smoke weed? I don't. Nah. I have a friend who's like a dear friend who's like a cool young doctor named Dr. B in San Diego. And I called him. He actually removed my tonsils.

And then like a week later, I found out I had what was called precancerous Barrett's esophagus. I said, what does this mean dr b should i just like kind of like kind of like tone down like how much i'm smoking he's like no this means like this is your warning shot like pay attention stop smoking esophageal cancer is a rough one too uh that's what killed christopher hitchens really yeah yeah it's a that's a rough one that kills a lot of fucking people once you get it you get it and you're gone basically it's kill i think kills like i think hitch said like 95 of the people to get it yeah yeah so i felt like he he's always pretty honest with me and i i just stopped like i love cbd yeah that's pretty much what i mess with now but that's all do you find to see a lot

of people use cbd and they find that it alleviates anxiety and lets them sleep better do you find to see a lot of people use cbd and they find that it alleviates anxiety and lets them sleep better do you find that yeah as long as i take like triple or quadruple the amount that it says to take on the bottle right because i feel like what i take if i take what the proper dosage is it doesn't do much but i'm one of those people whose mind's racing constantly i'll get home from the studio at one or two, and I'm just kind of figuring out how long I got to sleep before I get to wake up my kids and go to school, and I just sit there with my wheels spinning unless I use CBD,

and then that kind of helps. And then I have what's called trigeminal neuralgia. Have you ever heard of that? No. Oh, it's the fucking worst. It's called the suicide disease because basically all of your nerves in your face are firing all at the same time. So it almost feels like what you feel when you think you need a root canal or you have like a tooth

that's messed up. But I got trigeminal neuralgia and I've only had four episodes, but when I do get it, I use CBD and it's been amazing. But but if you look it up a lot of people will go actually go to a dentist get a bunch of root canals done that they don't need or they don't know how to treat it and usually people kill themselves whoa yeah it's gnarly i didn't really know about it i just was home one day and i was like what the fuck like the whole side of my face is burning hmm it's miserable. Chronic pain condition that affects the trigeminal nerve, which carries a sensation from your face to your brain.

If you have trigeminal neurology, even mild stimulation of your face, such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup, may trigger a jolt of excruciating pain. Holy shit, man. Yeah, look it up. What is the cause? What causes that? All different things.

They thought like mine, I maybe got mine from impact, like from my accident. And then maybe a little sparring that I've done has triggered it. Also dental, when I get dental work done, it triggers it. But the CBD stops it. Yeah, CBD and if it's really bad there's um this medication called gabapentin uh and i feel like that's been a a real great way to kind of like mask the pain and what once the gabapentin calms the nerve it kind of deads the nerve 24 48 hours it's gone if it's a really bad episode if it's a not so bad cbd just keeps it away wow they say that a lot of nerve diseases

are inflammation caused so sometimes like if you change your diet you can you can smooth some of those out like lower the sugar intake and some of the other things that might be causing inflammation did they give you any advice like that nah but around the same time i figured out i was allergic to gluten which i really thought was horseshit whatever i was like yeah right okay yeah we need to be gluten free um and then i tried it and and the doctor i had seen said well you really got to try it though you got to commit a hundred percent you got to give it at least like two to three weeks and see how you feel and i did it and it was a game changer like i felt normal whereas i'd have a lot of ups and downs depending on what i

was eating and i'm still eating clean at the time i'm still eating vegan i'm eating you know whatever but uh you know a lot of a lot of us can't you know digest or or kind of our bodies can't absorb the gluten yeah well it's have you ever had pasta in europe yeah it's very different oh yeah we have so much shit in ours you know so much well it's the maynard explain maynard keenan uh from tool he explained it to me because you know he runs an osteria in arizona i didn't know that yeah he's he's a guy's a fucking wizard man he's got his own winery runs an osteria um but he uh said that when and we subsequently looked it up after he told me this, in the early turn of the century, when they were growing wheat, they experimented and changed the wheat

to make it more dense so that you could get more yield out of an acre. And so by doing that, they changed how your body processes it, and there's more complex glutens in like a stalk of wheat. Like an old-timey wheat, like you would get like in Italy or France or something like that. It's a different wheat. It looks different. It's a much more scrawny-looking plant. And so if they had an acre of that, you don't get nearly as much wheat.

And so in America, we said, oh, bigger is better. And we made it bigger and better and thicker, and your body has a much harder time processing it. And that's why people get so much inflammation and leaky gut and all these different ailments that people get from bread and pasta in this country. It's because of this much more complex wheat. But I buy pasta overseas. I buy this – goddammit. I'll say the name of it. I found out about it in Italy that they sell it in America.

Just for that reason? Yeah. Wow. Because I can eat it. And if I want pasta, it's not that disgusting. Yeah. Here, let me find it. Yeah, I love pasta.

I do too. But it's something that I found if I eat a lot of, it just fucks me. So I have to make sure that I don't. Let me find it real quick and I'll pull up the name of it. And I felt like leaky gut was like a hoax i would be like what are you talking about i've never even heard about this but i feel like it's legit and they're spot on about that it's called morelli morelli spaghetti and it's from italy and the type of wheat that they use it's a very different type of wheat i get it tastes different it doesn't bloat you up as much it's uh i think somebody explained it to me like what kind of wheat you're looking for but

what i found is that i've tried gluten-free pasta and it's like you know what i like better than gluten-free pasta spaghetti squash spaghetti squash with marinara sauce is fucking delicious and i actually sometimes like it better than pasta but um they sell that at air one all the time yeah in the hot part spaghetti squash is outstanding yeah yeah and it's guilt-free you know you can eat it and you you're not thinking you're you know bloating yourself up yeah but we've ruined pasta we ruined bread and ruined pot but you know it gives you that feeling you know that feeling you get after you eat a lot of it you're like that's what that is your body's like what the fuck am i doing with this yeah you're immediately tired

you get bloated yeah but if you eat it in italy you don't get that feeling and you look at those people over there they're not fat yeah it's weird it's true yeah they're walking around all over the place and they're eating pasta and yeah yeah europe everyone's walking or riding bikes yeah americans well that's the thing about france too france when they're eating those baguettes they're they're eating it with like this very rich butter that's like a grass-fed butter it's like a dark yellow butter so it's very high fat content it's got a lot of uh essential fatty acids in it and just you're just getting it and it's a different kind of bread too and meanwhile they're not fat yeah and they're drinking wine and they're not fat like it doesn't

make any sense yeah agreed standard american diet is just fucked up but i've always wanted to ask you that about like the drumming because i mean everything that i do like everything repetitive whether it's boxing or even archery a lot of people get injuries in archery just from repetitive stress from just pulling the bow back over and over again i'm like goddamn travis this your whole fucking thing is repetitive it's like and i see you every time i see you like my shoulders hurt yeah my elbows hurt no I mean my first week hurts

my first week sucks like on tour really? like getting acclimated because even practice rehearsals are not a show it's just a different intensity but

but yeah as long as I train for it I'm cool I kind of like boxing has helped so much and I don't box because I think I'm a tough guy or

I think I can you know beat people's asses or whatever it's really just for functionality like so I can play the drums the way I want to so you started doing it for that reason well no I started when I knew my son was being born like when my girlfriend at the time was pregnant I woke up that morning I ran to the freeway and back like twice and then I went and found a boxing gym. I walked into 10 Goose. I actually walked into John Brays, who used to be Tyson's sparring partner. And it was like 2005.

Yeah, no, 2003. And then I started boxing. I just walked into 10 Goose. And I started jump roping and hitting pads. And I don't know, I just had this urge to want to box and be better. That's so interesting. Just from knowing that you were going to be a dad. I just wanted to be better. Immediately, I just thought to myself, I wanted a lifestyle change. I needed to evolve and I needed to know how to protect this little human I was bringing into the world and I knew I needed to change my lifestyle because

I was I was kind of out of control wow it's a an amazing thing that happens to you when you become a father it's a weird switch that goes off in your brain that you can't really describe to people that don't have kids yeah and it's even weirder when the switch doesn't go off so like you know you see people who are horrible fathers or horrible parents and i just don't get like how didn't how didn't that switch turn on for you right you know how yeah like the ones who don't want to be around their kids freak me out the most yeah they just don't want to be they just want to be away all the time i just i don't get it yeah i don't know why I couldn't imagine

and now I love boxing it's one of my favorite things to do I've been doing Muay Thai a little bit more because I can kind of save my hands because it's not good on my hands in any way shape or form how so? just the impact over and over again are you getting your hands professionally wrapped?

do you get them wrapped correctly? my knuckles hurt are you get them wrapped correctly? Yeah. But it still bothers you? My knuckles hurt. Really? Yeah. Are you using big heavy gloves? Yeah.

What ounce gloves are you using? I think they're 14 ounce. Maybe you should switch to like 18 or 20. Yeah. Yeah. Get a thicker padding in the front. It'll protect your knuckles better and it even gives you a better workout really because you're pushing more weight.

A little heavier. Yeah. You're pushing more weight and you'll have more more impact but another thing i would say is um get a bag that's a water bag water bags are fantastic you ever seen those before i've seen them at the gym yeah they're awesome fucking dig into those things and it's it's minimal impact but you're still pushing the same amount of weight you know through throwing the punches you could still explode with the same amount of force but you know you're sinking into that bag and so a lot of people with tendonitis find that that's a way better option there's another um i have two bags out there one of them's a fair text bag and fair text makes a it's a a muay thai

bag but it's softer and the other one's a monster bag. The monster bag's like really hard. Stiff, right? Dense. Dense as fuck. So I like the combination of the two. But the Fairtex one is good if I'm injured, if like my shoulders bother me or something like that. I can dig into that bag and it's not going to have the same jolt

as like hitting something solid and hard. So if you're having problems with your hands, that's what I would say. Another thing you can do is they make wraps that are gel wraps. You slide them on your hand almost like a glove. Yeah, that's what he just told me about, one of the guys I train with. Yeah. Those are great. Yeah.

And then that on top of the heavier glove, I bet it'll stop all the hand stuff. Yeah. I'm going to try that. Yeah, he just told me about that. That'll protect my knuckles a little bit more. Because I find if I lift weights, I never get big. Like I never look big but i feel kind of stiff and just slow it's the worst feeling ever and i did it one time right before tour i'd

i was living in chevy hills for a little while and i was working out at a gym over there and it was all bodybuilder guys and i would train with one just to like be pushed and i got behind my kit and it was the worst feeling ever the worst i felt like i was in slow motion right so i figured out like i need to train how i want to move when i'm actually playing the drums weightlifting's fine but you have to do it lightly the thing about weightlifting is people want to do it to failure all the time you know do uh 10 sets of this and five sets of that and go to failure every time come on on, push, push, push, push. Don't do that.

You shouldn't do that. I subscribe to the Pavel Tatsalini method. He's a famous Russian kettlebell instructor, and his philosophy is that you should do more sets but less repetition. So, like, say if you could do a weight and you could lift it 10 times. Don't lift it ten times Lift it five If you lift it ten

What the fuck's going on with my voice All this talk about esophageal cancer My voice is rebelling But if you Say if you could lift something ten times Lift it five times And just do more sets And give yourself a lot of time in between sets

Because if you're training for strength You can do certain things like kettlebells in specific where it's strength, but it's also endurance. But really, if you just want to do strength, the best way to do it is to do a short set of a few repetitions and then do multiple versions of that. Like take a long time off, like five, ten minutes, and then do another five reps, like take a long time off like five ten minutes and then do another five reps five ten minutes do another five reps and then do it again in a couple of days and then do it again instead of like once a week where you just blow your body out and you're like ah that feeling where you can barely move that's terrible yeah it's not a smart way because you don't recover as well yeah and you you end up getting hurt or having to take a day off you know what i started doing was with this one trainer named don we figured out kind of like

a metronome workout so you're actually like a tempo workout where you're training to a tempo so you have to do high reps like you know you'll stay to a minute and maybe the tempo is like you know what i mean so whatever even if it's quick and you're not doing everything like exactly technique wise really slow and you know um it's it's kind of like making sure you stay up with the tempo which i feel like really helped me with with staying quick and fast with drums and more endurance you know yeah that makes sense like is is drumming a young man's game i mean is it like athletics where as you get older, drummers slow down? I don't know.

I haven't. I played just as wild as I did back in the day. And how old are you now? 43. You look great. Oh, thank you. You don't look 43. Yeah, Max Weinberg told me one time.

He watched me play, and he was at a show where Blink played, and he's like, I don't know how much longer you can play like that. Because you fucking go hard, dude. He's like, you're going to need back back surgery you play like you have rabies yeah you're just smashing the fucking drums so knock on wood nothing has changed and i've just i play exactly how i always have you know um i don't even want to think about a day where i have to play any different right sure it'll come but do you get massages? Yes. That'll help a lot, right? Massages, Epsom salt baths.

That's where the tank comes in play, man. Yeah, that thing looks amazing. The tank is all Epsom salts. Look at you, dude. You're going fucking crazy. When you watch that, I would watch you play, and I would just go, how the fuck can this guy maintain this pace? Because everybody drums differently.

I mean, it's really interesting to watch people's different, especially my friend Bill Burr really got into drumming. And he's really into it. And I like watching him play. And it's interesting to see someone take something up and get better and take lessons and learn it. But the thing that really strikes me is how many repetitions are involved like as you're doing this like the the amount of times you're hitting these drums is fucking insanity you gotta pace yourself if it's a two-hour set i know like oh this is a verse of

this song i can kind of this is not a big big part you know you can kind of chill but it's like a round you know if you're going around look up in the clock and you realize oh wow i still have two minutes left yeah well pace yourself and you know what i mean yeah that's kind of how i approach shows but but the goal is to train so much before you even get on tour that you're not even having to think about that you're just playing the show exactly how you want to play it's almost i imagine it's like that with fighting where you envision what you want to do in your head and you're in the shape and you know the technique to execute and you don't have to think about it or go like oh i can't do that i'm not i didn't practice that enough i like to be able to just do whatever i'm feeling and not you know be like oh shit i i don't

know how to do that or i'm gonna get tired if i do that i don't want that to do that. Or I'm going to get tired if I do that. I don't want that to happen. Right. You know? So that's the goal. It's just being able to execute what you have, the idea in your head. Well, musicians have to have discipline because you have to practice. Yeah. That's one of the things that makes you guys so unique

in the entertainment world. It's like, I mean, I guess maybe actors have to practice. Stand-up comedians, we only practice in front of an audience but you guys have to fucking practice like you don't go through your show no before you go out no i write i write and i i listen to recordings of old sets but i don't like sit in front of a mirror and go hey folks yeah i don't do that i don't know anybody because it would feel so weird when you go up to do it it would feel rehearsed right yeah that's the last thing you want you gotta be in the moment

same thing happens if you practice too much as a band and then you go try to play those songs and act like you're having fun that same thing happens so I try to practice a lot on my own and I'm not even practicing those songs just kind of drill Sam Kinison used to have a

joke about the beach boys about uh they're going out there like playing i wish they could all be california girls again i'm like jesus fucking christ i wish they are like it becomes a job that you don't want that you you want it to be fresh and exciting and you want it to be something that you're really in the moment really thinking about So I make up new shit on the spot too. That's the best is I just make up new fills or just try to reinvent the songs to the point where even like Mark will look back at me and be like, whoa, you know what I mean? Whatever. Like that's the best, you know, just kind of freaking it on the fly.

And even to the crowd, it's like, whoa, that's cool. You haven't heard it like that before. So that's like after two or three months of you haven't heard like that before so that's like after two or three months of being on tour you do stuff like that yeah when you get off tour do you consciously give yourself a rest no i'm busier at home than i am on tour on tour so lavish man like you have you have someone saying i mean you do have people kind of waiting on you hand and foot somewhat. You know, like, hey, catering's ready if you want to eat. Or, hey, you got to go do an interview 30 minutes before you go on stage.

Cars outside waiting for you after the show, taking you to the hotel. So that doesn't happen at home. Right. You know, and at home, I do so many other things besides playing the band. Like, I, you know, produce a bunch of rap artists. I have crossroads. I have clothing companies. I have three kids.

It's way busier at home. Tour is a vacation. That's interesting. Yeah, for me. Wow. Because I don't know how to say no either. Mind you, I have a lot of things I love that I love doing, so I can't complain and be like, oh, I hate going to this theater.

I hate doing this. I love that I love doing, so I can't complain and be like, oh, I hate going to this studio. I hate doing this. I love it all. I just kind of love it all so much that I have trouble saying no sometimes. So you said you're managing or you're producing rap artists? Yeah. How many? I'm in the studio right now with this group called Suicide Boys

who are awesome. They're from New Orleans. And we have an EP coming out that's called Live Fast, Die Whenever. And we just finished over the weekend, or yesterday. So you go in there at noon, and you leave there at 4 in the morning every day until you're finished, because they're only in town for a little while. So yeah, it takes a little bit.

And then I worked on XXXTentations album uh before he passed away um i work with like smoke perp um big menza a bunch of different artists do you like that because it's a different genre helps you mix it up a little bit you're just a big rap fan as well obviously you're wearing an ice cube shirt yeah I grew up. I actually listened to rap music before I listened to any kind of music at all, like Beastie Boys and Run DMC and Public Enemy and The Far Side and KRS-One. That's what I grew up on. And then I discovered, you know, I loved metal too.

I loved Slayer and King Diamond. And then I discovered a band called Minor Threat and The Descendants and Black Flag and Bad Brains. I just liked it all. And then my dad listened to jazz music and country rebel music, so I was born and raised on Johnny Cash and Buck Owens and everything. And I kind of learned to love it all. And I had people around me when I was young, when I was first learning how to read music,

that just kept embedding in my head, like, listen to everything can't just be you can't just learn one thing so i was actually taught how to play like traditional jazz when i was really young and then i taught myself how to play everything else that's fucking cool yeah but i always loved everything that's nice that you have an appreciation for all those different genres too yeah it'd be like if all you did was UFC commentating, you'd be like, I'm going to go crazy. Right. Like this must be so much fun for you and all of your other endeavors.

Like same thing. Like if I was only making, you know, punk rock records or pop punk records or whatever it was, I think I would go insane. And it's been like that for years, you know? Yeah, I think different people, I think some people, if they're just doing like baseball commentary or been like that for for years you know yeah i think different people i think some people if they're just doing like baseball commentary or something like that they're fucking happy as shit they love it yeah they just want to do that but there's some people like you or maybe like me that they i need different things yeah i will go crazy i love like studio life is

awesome like i did a hand zimmer thing the other week and then the next day i'm in with like a band called nothing nowhere doing something completely different this week i'm doing a a little peep and xxx remix it's it has to be like that for me or i get really bored and i'm i just don't feel creative right feel kind of like i don't know that's cool though like that how does that work like you get a phone call or someone texts you hey travis we need you to come in here and light this motherfucker on fire and you get in there and yeah it's been like that. How does that work? Like you get a phone call or someone texts you, hey, Travis, we need you to come in here and light this motherfucker on fire and you get in there and... Yeah, it's been like that, you know. Or like, you know, some projects manifested too.

Like there's this band called The Fever 333 that I produce and write with and they just got nominated for a Grammy, like threw up for a Grammy for best rock performance. And that was something I just envisioned with the singer of that band, Jason. And we started literally a year ago, and they're nominated for a Grammy. Wow. So like stuff like that, like kind of being in architecture without building buildings, you know, being in architecture and music or whatever it is,

whatever it is you're passionate about, that excites me. You're just building sound. Yeah. Like there's nothing better. You're just building sound. Yeah. Like, there's nothing better. And working with different genres, too, has got to be exciting, too, because you can mix it up. Yeah. Wow.

Now, how do you schedule your time in terms of how much time you're going to spend on your own studio work, how much time you're going to spend on other people's stuff, do you just play it by ear? It seems like with a guy like you you must get so many requests and you said you have a hard time saying no i would imagine it's fucking overwhelming yeah well my kids come first before everything anything you know and then i get a lot of opportunities like my son landon is a big rap fan like he loves rap he was raised on rap music like he grew up touring with me and Lil Wayne when I toured with Lil Wayne uh and he loves being in the studio so he'll come with me to the studio so I can kind of like double dip work at the same time as he's in

B making music you know my studio B which is really really awesome and then same with Alabama she's the I'm lucky they're both musicians. Because Alabama and Lennon both love music. So they like going on tour with me. They like going to the studio with me. Yeah, or I probably wouldn't be working so much. That's really cool. Yeah.

What the fuck is it like going on tour with Lil Wayne? It was so awesome. I came out with a rap project where I produced. I made all the beats. And I just got all my favorite rappers. Everyone from like RZA from the Wu-Tang Clan to Lil Wayne, Games, Swizz Beatz. It was crazy. I think I had 30 guests on there and Wayne asked me to go out on tour with him. So me and Mixmaster Mike from the Beasties were like the opening act on that tour. And Drake was out there, Nicki Minaj, and Rick Ross. Wow.

It was so fun. So I loaded up the bus with everyone. I brought Yellow Wolf out. I brought J-Rock. I brought Paul Wall. I brought the cool kids. And we just got in a bus and we went on tour. Jesus Christ.

It was the best. Yeah. How long are those shows? All those people? How long is that show? That's like a, well, with all the acts, at least four hours. Yeah, it's a long one. By the time the fucking show's over, like, good Lord,

that audience must be beaten into a coma. Oh, yeah. But then the headliners on who they're really there to see. Right, right. But that was a big accomplishment, just being able to play in that genre of music, because I listened to it as a kid, but there's never really been a home for a live drummer in a rap scenario. Right. just being able to play in that genre of music, because I listened to it as a kid,

but there's never really been a home for a live drummer in a rap scenario. Right. So from the beginning, I think, I don't even know what year it was, when Puff called me when I had just joined Blink, and he's like, yo, I want you to be in this video. And I was like, what? You know what I mean? Because I pretty much was, I was just like, wow, I'm in one of the biggest bands in the world. world I'm so stoked I couldn't ask for anything more and I always

wanted to uh yeah that tour was so fun but yeah once Puff asked me to be in a video it was kind of like a it just snowballed from there you just got into that world yeah and i i had no idea why he wanted me you know but i was just like wow this is so cool because i grew up on biggie like i loved all that genre of music but i was okay with just staying in my lane as well but when i got accepted with like open arms and i was invited to do like bet awards with ti or taiga or wayne and it was just insane you know playing the the Grammys. The funny thing is I've never played the Grammys with Blink, but I've played the Grammys with, like, Pitbull, Drake, Eminem.

Like, it's so weird. It's so weird to me. I just feel it's a trip. The opportunities I've had outside of rock music have been such blessings. When you say all these things and you know that you did all these things, does it seemed like you're living in a dream yeah i feel like smacking myself like it doesn't feel real when people go like oh who would you like to collaborate with i feel like i'm so spoiled and i've i've been so blessed to play with all these musicians i love that i just say nobody you know whatever comes i'm happy with wow yeah. Yeah. Well, that's cool, though. That's great, man.

That means you're fulfilled. Yeah. You know? You're doing what you want to do. Like, you're ready. Totally. Whoever. Let's do it.

Yeah. If you wanted to make a record, Joe, I'd be there. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. Well, lucky for you, I'm totally talentless in the music department, so it's not going to happen. No, you're such a talent, man. I love, like, when you and Dominic Cruz are commentating together,

it doesn't get any better. Yeah, I love Dom. He's awesome. He beat the shit out of me a couple times. Why did you let him? Because we used to sponsor him a little bit with Famous. He used to walk out in Famous stuff when UFC didn't have Reebok gear. And he would come down and train because I would train with this one guy,

Josh, over here in Woodland Hills. And he said, Trav, I'm going to be in town. I'm going to come train with you. I was like, okay, cool. Little did I know it would be Dom tossing me around and like fucking – oh, my gosh, man. It was so difficult. Does he make you roll with him?

Well, no. He'd be like try to sleep me, like try to knock me out. Jesus. So I'm giving my all. And he's just roll with him? Well, no, he'd be like, try to sleep me. Like, try to knock me out. So I'm giving my all. And he's just using his defense? And you know, when you actually swing in the air and you're not landing, it's actually more tiresome than when you're hitting somebody. So I'm swinging in the air.

He's like on the side of me all of a sudden. Like, you know, he's so quick, like with footwork. And then I'm wrestling to the ground. And it's just a wrap every time, man. He's so, so talented. His footwork is preposterous. Yeah. He just has the most ridiculous footwork. His footwork is so unique to him, too.

Everything he does, he's got this weird herky-jerky little thing. He does. He's probably one of the most unique MMA fighters ever. I feel like a lot of people have kind of borrowed from his style, too. Oh, for sure. You know? Yeah, for sure. And not to say they didn't make it their own,

but I feel like Dom was the first one you saw kind of move like that. Unquestionably. And that's because of his intelligence. Because he doesn't like getting hit. He's like, okay, I've got to figure out a way to not get hit so much. Like, what's the best way to not get hit?

And he just came up with this very unorthodox way of moving. He's a real encyclopedia of information when you start talking to him about fighting like he's i really enjoy doing commentary with him because he's so insightful he's so good at pointing out little areas where he thinks people are making mistakes or how to capitalize on certain things that people are doing yeah i've watched fights with him before and he's and he he gives a different insight than what i'm seeing yes yeah yeah no he's great especially when it comes to wrestling clinch work Yeah, I've watched fights with him before, and he gives a different insight than what I'm seeing. Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's great, especially when it comes to wrestling, clinch work, and even weird striking techniques. I mean, he's so good at befuddling people that he fights with with movement and information. He's giving them looks, and they're trying to set up. They're standing there trying to set up, and they don't know what the fuck he's doing then they have to reset and they're trying again and then he's giving them a different look and he's standing over here and then he's in front of you with his hands down then he's not and yeah yeah that's a trip he's great just fucked up his shoulder again man i know man i think he he trains so much i feel

like he just you know he's obsessive. Yeah, he's a savage. I mean, he got back from knee surgery and he went so hard that he gave himself plantar fasciitis. So he fucked up the bottom of his feet from running and sprinting and doing all kinds of crazy shit to get in shape. And, you know, he got over that. And I mean, he's had so many different surgeries. And that's miserable. Have you had that? No, I've never had plantar. Oh, man. I had it on a that. I mean, he's had so many different surgeries. Knee surgery. And that's miserable. Have you had that? No, I've never had plantar. Oh, man.

I had it on a tour where I would... I get these weird kind of things where I have to do a certain thing before I go on stage. So one of the things I did on a tour that was, I don't know, it was about a four-month tour, is run four to five miles before the show. And by the middle of that tour, i had actually given myself a stress fracture in my foot it was terrible did you run on concrete not a treadmill really yeah wow damn dude well sometimes sometimes when when there was no treadmill i just run out in the street but i kind of get like that where i just like i don't know i get obsessive about stuff and i want to i

want to do it i i get too kind of – I throw myself all the way in. No. What kind of running shoes do you run with? Do you run with – I was running, like, honestly, on that tour, sometimes I'd run in vans, which is probably half of my problem. But, you know, it would be so quick, like, oh, I have an hour here to do this. But, yeah, it wasn't fun, though.

It was painful. Yeah, when you have overuse injuries, those are some of the hardest, especially your feet. They're some of the hardest to recover from because you have to walk. It's not like if you hurt your elbow, you could just not use it for a while, and it'll eventually heal up. But you need to use your feet. Yeah.

Yeah. Planner's a rough one, man. I know a lot of people that have got that. I've been very lucky. I came from a martial arts background background a lot of kicking and stuff like that so my feet are pretty strong from moving but i found that uh running with minimalist shoes on hills that that made them even stronger yoga yoga made them stronger like what those weird kind of uh what are they called vibram five finger shoes i wear those i wear there's another company

called vivo barefoot i wear those i like those a little bit better for running on the hills because I'm running on a lot of rocks and shit. And the Vibrams, they would be great if everything was soft dirt. But I'm running on weird jagged rocks and shit. And it just hurts your feet. You got to be real careful where you place your feet. Yeah. But it just forces your feet to work as they're supposed to as opposed to like a big cushiony running shoe. You know, like a big cushiony running shoe feels good.

It feels good to run on it because you get all this cushion. It's not so jarring. But your body really should run, I think, personally, unless you're a runner, you should probably run less with a minimalist shoe than you should run because it's more comfortable to run with a big fat cushion. I think you ultimately give yourself probably more injuries that way. But you can get injuries from those minimalist shoes too

if you don't pay close attention. You try too hard too quick and your foot's not conditioned for it. My feet are terrible too, man. I had what's called a Liz Frank fracture. You ever heard of that? It's basically your foot breaks in half. All your tend your tendons your ligaments and your bones how the fuck did you do that so i was high as a kite and i was in australia and i was running to the bus and i had

like two huge bags that were like probably like i probably had 40 pounds on my back and i was just trying to get to the bus to get to the next show or whatever. And it was the stupidest thing ever. But it was the little cracks in the sidewalk where it's up higher. And I didn't see. And I fell with all that weight on me. And I'm in the bus. And I'm starting to think, wow, this is really bad. And my tour manager's like, hey, man, just get the blood flowing.

Try walking on it. And I'm trying to just suck it up. And I'm walking in the airport. And I'm almost tearing. I'm fucking to just suck it up, and I'm walking in the airport, and I'm almost tearing. I'm fucking hurting so bad. I was like, man, I think I need to get an x-ray or an MRI. This isn't good. So I play the next two shows with my other foot.

I get an x-ray. They say I've broken my foot in half. I need surgery. So I think I end up doing a couple weeks of the tour which i shouldn't have i should have gone and done that surgery but i played it with my other foot and then i got home i did the surgery and i was like six months on crutches and whoa just recovering it was terrible six months on crutches and then i feel like i wasn't healing that great because i was taking so many painkillers and everything it was slowing down the process which i don't know if you've heard of but that it really like my bones became super

brittle from pain from painkillers what what painkillers norcos yeah yeah yeah but i would imagine the pain must have been fucking excruciating snapping your foot in half oh it was so was so painful. Yeah, when it first happened. Did you use something else for pain medication after you got off of that stuff? I just smoked weed. Yeah? Yeah. Is that enough?

Yeah. I'm pretty good with pain. Doesn't really bug me. What about edibles? I haven't really done it. You don't fuck with edibles? Mm-mm. Really?

I haven't had anything for 10 years nothing nothing zero no alcohol no weed no nothing damn yeah 10 years which was a big well after my accident as well i was fed you know four months in a hospital being fed morphine every day for four months and then being on all these bipolar meds and everything else i honestly didn't want to put anything in my body when I got out. I didn't even take painkillers when I got home. Now, what kind of bipolar meds did they put you on? Dude, I don't even remember.

I was on like four or five, just bipolar. I mean, I had like so many. I probably had like 12 medications I got sent home with. And I did it for about a week or two, and then I went and see my doctor. I'd actually overheard one of my friends talking, who was like a brother to me. And I had heard him talking to someone else. And he was like, yo, like, Travis seems a little different. You know, he seems a little bit slow or something. And I had overheard him. He didn't know I overheard him. But I was, these meds i had been telling my docs so i was like i just don't feel like me i feel i don't know i feel weird and i just don't feel like myself

so i just flushed him down the toilet one day and the next week i came back to see him and he's like how you doing i said good i'm off all those meds you told me i'd be on for the rest of my life and they're like oh dude from what you've been through like you it's okay to be on something like that and i was like yeah I'm doing fine, though. I don't need those. So they wanted to put you on because of the plane crash? Yeah, they're like, don't shame yourself by giving yourself a hard time that you have to take these pills.

And I said, well, honestly, I don't feel like they're doing what they're supposed to for me, and they're actually having a negative effect on me, so I really don't want to take them. They they also told me I'd never run again I'd never do this I'd never do that again so I think I just got to the point where I was like let me see how many things I can prove otherwise that they've told me you know once I stopped taking the pills Jesus so they put you on bipolar medication because of a traumatic crash yeah that seems odd to me i mean i'm not a doctor obviously but well i was kind of crazy you know i was like suicidal when i was in the

hospital um i was on so many drugs i couldn't even i didn't even know my friends had passed away i didn't even know the two pilots had passed away i didn't remember anything i kept thinking like everyone was in the hospital including the two pilots including my two best friends and am i thought everyone was just in different rooms till about two weeks before i left wow and then i went crazy then it was like they had a you know 5150 case on their hands you know i wasn't i wasn't in a good place so yeah then i did I did a lot of like post-traumatic like therapy when I was in the hospital to kind of like calm things down um once I got through all my surgeries and then yeah I mean over time it was it was cool but

or it was never cool but I started to feel better you know um but yeah I think it was because i was so crazy at the time but that's it's interesting that that i would think that bipolar medication would be something that you would give someone who has like a condition that just is sort of predisposed to it yeah i don't know anything about bipolar but i would think that that's something that you just have, you know? It's like you have a mental condition. I wouldn't think that it would be something that they would give you to overcome a traumatic incident. Yeah, I think they were afraid I was going to be, I had like a mental condition after everything happened, you know? Do you think they think like maybe because you're an artist that you're probably a little crazy anyway?

Possibly. Yeah, I mean like I think. But I was a mess too. Like. I mean, like, I think. But I was a mess too. Like, you know, like I had done, I'd smoked so much weed, you know, every day and I'd taken so many pills and I would self-medicate quite a bit that I woke up probably out of 11 of my 30 surgeries I had in the burn center, I woke up swinging on doctors. So, because I would wake up and I would would just i'd be opened up and i would just go crazy jesus christ so they're trying to get off the table yeah i would just try to get off

the table i don't even think i really knew what was going on i just wasn't they couldn't give me enough medication to knock me out because i had been self-medicating for so long and abusing meds for so long wow so you would get up from anesthesia? You would just wake up? In the middle of anesthesia. Fuck. Yeah. So, yeah.

Jesus Christ. That was a problem. How did you clean up? I think after, I think the last time I swung on a doctor, they were kind of like, you can't be here no more. And then I was like, wow, well, I need X amount of more surgeries.

And I really was just fighting demons. You know, I just figured out, like, my two best friends had passed away and the pilots had passed away. And I was just, like, in an ugly place. And, you know, my kids couldn't come visit me because 65% of my body was burnt. So I couldn't be around people. So I was just in it, man. And then I just, I don't know, I turned a corner. And then I was like a team player. And I don't think I was on as many meds. Most of my surgeries were over. And just learning how to walk again, being able to take a shower by myself again, all that stuff, man.

I think that was just, those were the good points that helped me turn the corner. And I don't know, I just had more strength, you know? Yeah. Wow. So you just turned a corner in your mind and just sort of accepted it and... Yeah. Same with drugs. I didn't never do rehab or anything. I think it was mainly my kids and just uh second life the second chance at life was enough for me i was like i don't i never want to do any of that stuff again you know that's cool so once you get a certain amount of distance between you and those days does it seem like like it wasn't even real it wasn't you doing those things yeah you look back and you're just like yeah like i still talk to those

doctors to this day like dr grossman he's he's he's so awesome and he basically saved my life you know um but i still talk to him he lives out here in the valley and he has grossman burn center and i go over there christmas and and see burn you know burn victims that are over there in the in the burn center and help out any way I can. But, yeah, he's great. That's cool, man. That's really cool. Yeah, many of my friends that I know that had real bad drug problems and then now are off drugs, they look back and they go,

what the fuck was I doing? How was that me? Yeah. It's interesting how that happens in your life. You have these new chapters in your life, and sometimes it could just be something that happened like two weeks ago and you're like who the fuck was that guy two weeks ago i'm not even him anymore yeah you know like you you could sometimes people make these abrupt turns in their life and then they go yeah i'm never going back

and you go well we'll see and then you look 10 years later like wow you were right you never went back yeah yeah and i think like i still have have you ever heard of what's called like user dreams no where like i think i've fucked up and i'm smoking weed again and then i wake up and i'm like oh my god how am i gonna stop because i love i love smoking so much you know or whatever your vice was you know if it was like whatever it was you know yeah you're just like you wake up and you think you're doing it again and then you realize nah i'm all good i used to have dreams like that where i had to go back to high school really i used to have dreams for years man did you hate high school fucking hated it me too i don't think anyone likes it unless you're like you know soon

to be a professor or fucking doctor or something well i just had no idea what i wanted to do for a living and i was just like being trapped in a classroom constantly was excruciating yeah i must have had i mean i probably do have like some crazy form of add i don't know i've never been diagnosed never been to a shrink but if i did i mean i'm sure they'd probably try to put me on something right if i tried to tell them what's going on in my head all the time they'd be like jesus sit down hold on take these take these whatever you're doing is bad but when i was in high school i fucking hated it and i barely got by and then when i got out of high school i would have these dreams where i would wake up in the middle of the night and i didn't have enough credit to graduate and have to go back and then i was sitting there in my bed but before i woke up trying to decide whether or then i was sitting there in my bed but before i woke up

trying to decide whether or not i was just gonna fucking drop out and not graduate from high school not have a high school diploma yeah or go back and do another fucking year of hell and it was my guts would turn then i'd wake up i'm like oh my god i graduated i graduated yeah yeah it was the worst i did i was the same way, man. I just barely got by high school. Did you go to school out here? Well, I grew up in Fontana, Riverside, Corona. Fontucky.

Yeah, Fontucky. Shout out to Double Dose Muay Thai out there. Yeah. Is there a good Muay Thai place out there? So people like to fight in Fontana. People like to fight everywhere. Yeah. No, you either fight or play

football in fontana yeah oh you saw meth yep but uh yeah i was the same way just just skated by high school and then i remember i didn't even want to walk i fucking hated it so much i actually rode my skateboard with my friends that were like much older than me that i'd go skateboarding with every day and we were skateboarding by the high school as everyone walked and got their diploma that was just did you get your diploma that yeah they sent it to me but me too i didn't want to fucking be there no i didn't i didn't go to my graduation i'm like i'm gone yeah like this is once i got through i'm like you don't have me anymore i can be free it took me a while to figure out what the fuck to do next yeah i would sit there and they would be like, so what do you want to do?

Like talk to counselors? And I was like, I just want to play drums in a band, really. And they'd be like, well, that's not an option. Like what college are you going to? And they would talk to me like I was like just insane. Isn't that crazy that there's so many bands and there's so many drummers? Why is that not an option? Yeah.

Why is that not an option? It'd be better if they just said, well, well you know like i don't know if they motivated you to actually do what you're passionate about you know instead of just being well well that's not gonna happen so what do you want to do so many fucking people that probably wanted to be drummers and just never got a push and never never you know yeah never made it through but then there's the the other argument that if you really want it, you'll find a way. Yeah, you got to do it. I mean, my dad used to tell me the same thing.

He'd be like, you got to have a plan B. And I'd be like, well, if I have a plan B, I'm not going to try that hard. Yeah. I started thinking in my head. And then that's when I just said, nah, fuck that. Like, it's only this. No matter if I'm rich or poor, whatever the circumstances, this is what I'm doing. I don't give a fuck what the outcome is.

I think that's the right mindset. I don't think people get by that well. When I was just starting to do stand-up, there was a lot of guys who had full-time jobs, and they got degrees, and they would work their full-time job, and then they would just do stand-up there was a lot of guys who had full-time jobs and they got degrees and you know they would work their full-time job and then they would just do stand-up a couple nights a week they never made it yeah it was the obsessed guys and women the people that were just like i this is my fucking life this is what i do i'm gonna do this yeah those are the ones that do it the no safety net people are the ones that made it yeah i mean it's gonna fucking happen you just have to you have to stick with it you know i feel like the people who really stick with it and give it like 110 your time will come it's however big

or small it is something will happen you know yeah yeah if you figure it out and keep improving and keep learning and learn from your mistakes and learn from your setbacks and keep trying to push and get better and improve. If you do all those things as hopeless and helpless as it seems, if you continue to improve, you've got to get to a better place. You've got to get better and one day you'll be undeniable. And if you don't and if you just fall back on that safety net, you're always going to wonder. don't and if you just fall back on that safety net you're always gonna wonder yeah you know you're always gonna look at travis barker going fucking ham on the drums and going shit that could have been me dude i almost did it i actually at one point my pops and my pops is awesome but um he's like vietnam vet and you know wrote him a harley his whole life and he just basically said

to me he's like yo you gotta you gotta start paying rent at the house because you you know you're not in high school no more or and get like a 60 hour a week job like a real job or you need to go you know go fucking play drums but you're not going to do it here in my garage wow so i was like okay and it was probably the best thing that was ever said to me you know as harsh as it was or whatever and then i had actually caved in and i just told my my friend noel i was like you know what i think i'm just gonna i'm gonna get this fucking job because i just somehow got a job that made you know in a warehouse it was like target warehouse making pretty good money compared to what i was making at the time and um and he hit me the next day and he's like i think you're making

a big mistake i think you're very fucking talented and i think you'll regret this and you can get this bullshit job any any time down the line come live with me on you know stay at my house you can sleep on the floor of the couch and let's play in this fucking band and do it and i did it you know i was like a trash man in laguna beach lived in like this studio apartment with a couple other guys and i just fucking took off like i i had to like i mean there was like humility too you know there was like playing bar after bar and you know you know but i was eating i was eating i was you know i was skateboarding every day and i was living at the beach playing in a band with my friends so for me i had already made it those are the best stories yeah they're the

best stories and i think back even to this day i go to laguna sometimes i'm like wow that was kind of one of the best moments of my life besides my children being born like poor no money but like happy as fuck like can't even think of another time i was that happy you know yeah it's cool the the only pressure is the pressure of trying to succeed there's not the pressure of already succeeding and the overwhelming pressure that you must experience now yeah those are great stories man the stories are like where you didn't know if it was gonna work yeah you figured it out those stories right now some kids are listening to those stories right now listening to you say this and they're like fuck man i'm gonna do it i'm gonna go for it like who knows how many rock stars you're making right now just saying this yeah because a lot of them are teeter-tottering like am i gonna do it am i not gonna do it even i mean i was at the time you

know and you just have to you know don't worry about being cool or being fucking rich or having money just be passionate about what you're passionate about and fucking dedicate a hundred percent you know yeah there's those moments man when you're passionate about and fucking dedicate a hundred percent, you know? Yeah. There's those moments, man, when you're first starting out anything where it's not sure. Yeah. It's not a,

it's not, it's not a definite thing. You're in this weird limbo space. Like, man, am I going to be a loser my whole life? Like what's going to happen to me? And those moments,

man, when you look back and you realize you could have quit, but you kept kept going you figured it out you sucked it up yeah you you worked your way through it you improved you kept moving yep yeah that's that's life man yeah that's what defines you man yeah it really does i just love those fucking stories i could never get enough of them man yeah the the dirty grimy and then finally you make it story yeah they're the best dude you're running out of space to tattoo i'm gonna tell you right now i'm actually getting tattoos on top of tattoos that's outrageous yeah i just got this uh llj for xxx i'm gonna get it

uh i'm working on some new ones i've decided to go back in you're kind of like remixing them at this point you know like getting tattoos on top of tattoos have you ever gotten lasered yeah once i i had like a new wife and i divorced my ex-wife and she wasn't really stoked on the ex-wife's name on me yeah that sounds like a problem yeah so i lasered it because it was right on my neck and she always had to see it and then um but that's the only time I've ever done it. There's nothing on me I really want to get rid of where I'm like, oh, it's all a story to me. It all tells a story.

It's like a moment in time and I got it for a reason. But I was trying to be cool and, you know what I mean, trying to be respectful and make her happy at the time. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean, it was amazing. She hung in there all the way to being married with another chick's name on your neck.

Yeah. That's a good woman. True. In that regard. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I love tattoos, man. They're addicting.

Yeah, I love them too. Once I figured out they didn't hurt at the age of 15, it was on. I didn't know. Yeah, it's like what people tell you. They're like, oh, it's so painful. Yeah. And then you get one. You're like, wait a minute.

It's not so bad. This is like, it's so painful. And then you get one, you're like, wait a minute. It's not so bad. This is like, it's kind of like a slight burn. Yeah. It's like. Kind of therapeutic too. Yeah, not that bad. I fell asleep while I was getting tattooed. Same.

Same. When I did my back piece, I fell asleep. And I had two artists working on me at the same time. Oh, wow. Just because I fucking hate wasting time. So yeah, they did my back together. They did my head together too. artists working on me at the same time oh wow just because i hate wasting time so they yeah they did my back uh together they did my head together too yeah the head's impressive let me see the head yeah let me see what that looks like when did you get that done i did my head like

i don't know six years ago wow yeah yeah i started i had like a piece on the side of my head right that mr cartoon did back back in the day. I love that guy's work. Yeah, Cartoon is such a legend. He's amazing. He's got great shit. He is a legend. Yeah, he's a legend.

Even outside of tattooing, like lowrider culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's one of the illest. But yeah, he did that. And then that kind of set it off. I always had like praying hands on the side of my head. And then I shaved my head and I've never grown my hair out since because I'm like fuck it I it's a permanent haircut right you know but what is up there it's hard to see what will shine I have like virgin mary right oh wow um I think I

have like a rose you think a skull yeah I don't know you know you get a lot of tattoos I got a what's on my head. I have like a transplant gas mask on the back of my head. I have one life, one chance. Yeah. And then like some writing.

Wow. Now, when you got burned, did it affect your tattoos? Did you have to tattoo over it? Yeah. So I lost, I lost all of my tattoos

on my legs. Wow. Yes. I lost, I lost my first tattoo ever, which was a Dag Nasty tattoo. This hardcore band, punk band that I loved forever. And a Bones tattoo, which was my nickname growing up. But I lost everything on my legs. So then they do what's called grafting.

Oh, and I lost some tattoos from my back. So they take, it's like a cheese grater, and they grade all of your skin off your back and my thighs and then they staple it to you with pig cadaver oh and they wait for uh for you to start healing um so yeah so i lost a lot of tattoos and then i i did i like on my thighs you can't really see i did i did memorials for for little chris che and uh dj am who uh who all passed away in the accident so i put them on my legs over the graph so you can't really see it but yeah i mean i i got out pretty well man like i mean you can kind of see it on my hand my hand you can see it's discolored and stuff but for having almost 70 of my body burnt like you can't it's discolored and stuff but for having almost 70 percent of my body

burnt like you can't really tell that's amazing yeah you can't really tell at all because you're so tattooed up that uh the pain of healing burns is supposed to be excruciating it's the fucking worst thing ever well for for me too i mean i don't think you guys ever think about being burnt i know i didn't right i would just be like I don't know I just never think about fire until you're on fire and then you're like oh shit and then the treatments afterwards

to do everything they would put me in this big pan that was literally about as big as this table with different people all around you and they would put me in this big pan that was literally about as big as this table with different people all around you. And they would scrape all my burns with a metal brush to get rid of all the infection. Because I had, I basically, when I jumped through the emergency exit, when I opened the emergency exit before the plane blew up, I was in such a hurry to get out of the plane and exit the plane.

I jumped right into the jet, which is full of fuel so my whole body lit up you know so i had jet fuel just in my whole body like i burped jet fuel for almost like three months oh god so they had like that was the main thing to get rid of the infection is they scrub you with a metal brush to get rid of all of it and all of the dead skin. And then I did about 30 surgeries to repair everything, like skin graft surgeries. They saved my foot because at one point they were going to amputate my right foot. Yeah, it was wild. I have pictures from it. Was that burnt that they were going to have to amputate it?

My right foot almost didn't make it. Was it because the way it was, was it necrosis or what was going on that they were going to amputate it i think because that was the thing that was most soaked was was my shoes and socks when i jumped into the jets you know and i had done like i had exited the plane i had started running i had started like ripping off my clothes just that's what my instinct told me is just get rid of everything. But little did I know, I would still be on fire because the jet fuel was... I was soaked in it. So I'm actually running towards a highway.

A highway's right on the side of me. And I just hear some guy yell, like, stop, drop, and roll. And it just like... I heard it out of all this chaos of every sirens and everything. And I stopped, dropped, and rolled. And the only thing that was still on fire was my feet. And AM came and patted them out. So I think they were on fire the longest too.

So still, I think my right foot is probably like over 50% of it's a graft. Wow. Yeah. It's wild. But yeah, that was like, I never, like I said, I never even thought about it. It's not something you think about until it happens to you. But being burnt is like, it's horrific, you know? Were you affected by the recent fires out here?

It came about a couple hundred yards from one of my houses. Oh, wow. But I was in Vegas. I was actually playing a show. We left that morning. And then we got phone calls saying you had to evacuate. And your kids were with you? Thank God.

Yeah, the kids. My dog was with me. My housekeeper was at the house, so she was able to get the rest of our dogs out. And, yeah, as long as I had them there with me, I was like, everything else is replaceable. It's whatever. But, yeah, that was sketchy. I mean, you saw, obviously you live very close by too. Yeah, we got evacuated.

Yeah. We got evacuated. Well, we evacuated ourselves before they had a mandatory at two in the morning. I came back from the comedy store. My wife and I were looking out the window and the flames are coming over the hill. And I said, no one's going to save us here. I go, you know, we have to figure out what the fuck we're going to do. And she's like, I think we should go. And go and i said all right i think you're right and we just got a hotel room and we just bailed yeah and i just grabbed i literally grabbed

my laptop and i think that's it and some some clothes and then the kids are a little freaked out but i said look we just look we're here we're all right like we could buy more shit yeah like the dog's fine we're fine that's how i was too i was like let it burn yeah you know i mean i don't want it to burn obviously but rather than you being hurt like fuck man this is this is it's an inconvenience when when you're when you lose your house it's it's a horrific tragedy when you lose your life you know we're not we're gonna get the fuck out of here yeah and so they were freaked out but within a day or two i mean we stayed in the hotel for a week but within a day or two they were they were cool we're laughing about it same

we did the same thing i came came home but not really home you know just lived at a hotel for a week but yeah he felt kind of helpless like he couldn't do much you know it's not like i could sit there and and put out the fire myself you know they wouldn't even let us in our community yeah same here crazy for people that weren't around here they they don't know how crazy it was but the sky was filled with smoke everywhere you looked was smoke i mean all of la was filled with smoke it was i've never we were we stayed in beverly hills at the waldorf and you look out the balcony window and it's just fucking gray just smoke everywhere yeah i've never seen fires like that before never in my life neither and i always see we're on high alert yeah you know i'd see it

like my kids are are at school over in malibu or really close to there and i always see high alert but nothing's ever really happened you know there's been like small fires but that was horrific that was just it looked like hiroshima in our neighborhood like you know airplanes flying really low dropping like fire retardant and yeah it was it was crazy bill burr uh flies helicopters he's got his helicopter license and we took a flight around malibu around point doom and you go over there and you see these massive estates just burnt to the ground. These gorgeous houses with the perfect view on the bluff overlooking the ocean, gone.

Huge lots. You know, $20 million houses, gone. Just burnt to the ground. And there's so many of them. And then like one house standing there. One house out of just random. That's how it was in our neighborhood too. Yeah.

Like a house caught fire, but nothing near it caught fire. It was weird. It's weird. Yeah. Some shit will fly through the air, land on someone's house. And if you have like a pine needles or something on your roof or a flammable roof.

Yeah. You know, just catches, catches on fire. Was it a campfire that started? It's called campfire. Oh, I don't think it was a campfire

that was the name of the fire i don't think i don't i don't know what the fuck the cause of that fire was jamie see if you can find that out do you know what it is no i think they've been trying to blame or blame has been put on like different utility companies and whatnot and they're not they're not taking the blame where they can prove that it wasn't them and well it's been being passed around i don't know that anybody knows yet from what i've been looking at you know it's fucking crazy though man when uh i was in boulder there was a giant fire that broke out that was a fireman accidentally started a fire yeah he had a fire pit in his backyard and uh some fucking embers blew out of his fire pit and started a giant fire and just burnt massive amounts of

wild forest is just gone damn yeah a fireman imagine of all people yeah he must have felt like shit i mean anybody's i mean just couldn't fucking imagine if it was your fault that one of these things get started oh yeah the guilt i. I wouldn't be sleeping for weeks. The craziest shit is Northern California. Northern California got it way worse. We got it bad down here, worse than I've ever seen, but they got it way worse in Northern California. Northern California, they lost like a shitload of people died on the highway. That's what I saw, man.

They burned to death in their cars. You see those photos? Yes. Oh, man. Fuck, man. Yeah burnt to death in their cars. You see those photos? Yes. Oh, man. Fuck, man. Yeah. You know, and a lot of this is because of, I mean, there's a lot of issues, right? There's the dry, you know, the fact that dry climate, the fact that, you know, there's

climate change is happening, but also the fact that there's no small fires. Like, all those dead trees are supposed to get knocked down by small fires, like controlled fires. Yeah. And that doesn't really happen anymore. We don't want small fires that can possibly get out of hand. And so you have these forests that are oftentimes filled with dead trees right next to live trees and a lot of dead trees all over the place.

Wow. So that's like maintenance, burning the small dead ones? Yeah, well, some people advocate doing it for maintenance, but in nature, that's like a natural thing. Like a lightning would hit, light some shit on fire, and the live trees would probably survive, and a lot of the dead ones would burn to the ground, and it would actually regenerate the forest.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the crazy thing is, like, you look how fucking lush and green it looks out here now yeah like you would never imagine that just a few months ago this was a raging inferno it actually is good for the ground yeah you know when all that still smells like fire too right now right yeah every time it rains it's starting to get a little bit better but does it freak you out when you see fire now because of your accident? Yeah, it took a little while for us to have pyro again.

Oh, yeah. I remember it was like we had just got back together. And this really, really killer photographer had this idea to do this photo shoot. And they wanted us holding the flares what's my call it the thing like the flares in an accident and he got me to hold it for a second and i was like ah bro i can't do this like wrong photo shoot like yeah i'm sorry you know i know you have this vision but i that's an insensitive vision yeah and and he kind of knows yeah yeah right that would have been a little bit more fitting but and then and now we do pyro

stuff on stage and production it doesn't really bug me but I'm very cautious around the house like with you know my daughter she has like a

a straight iron plugged in or for my son whatever lights a candle like I'm so crazy about it yeah I can imagine which yeah

if I just we're a little weird so I have to ask you does Tom talk about UFOs all the time well you know he's not in the band

no more yeah I know but did he always do that he always did we used to get loaded and just look out the bus window for a while

and I used to do it with him as like I don't know it's kind of a bonding experience it's like if you wanted to show me bow and arrows

whatever we're on tour together of course I'd sit there and check it out with Tom that was his thing let's get high and look for UFOs so we would we'd just sit there and stare out the bus window look at UFOs

he would even go as far as when we were on tour let's go and fucking look for Bigfoot whatever it was and he would assemble a crew and they would go do it. Oh my God. He never got me on one of those trips because that was just too fairytale for me.

But I would, you know, I'd do that. And he was always, it's really not something he just got into from the day I fucking met him. He was obsessed with UFOs and aliens and was always very passionate about it to the point where like, I didn't know enough with UFOs and aliens and was always very passionate about it to the point where like,

I didn't know enough to have any kind of, I guess like opinion on it. I was just very open and just took it all in. Yeah. But nothing has changed. He's still, the other day I talked to him,

he's like, I'm on the way to the fucking White House, bro. And I don't ask any questions. I'd be like, as you should be, you know, whatever. Like, let i'd be like as you should be you know whatever like let's fucking go as you should be yeah what a great response yeah good luck with that yep wow that's crazy yeah he was a trip man having a conversation with him was very strange because almost part of me was like this guy putting me on like what is happening here dead

ass dead ass dead ass seemed like ass. He's freaking dead ass. Seemed like it. And we would look at these videos that were so clearly horse shit and he would be like, amazing, right? And I'd be like, what?

Like, you think that that's an actual UFO? Like, that is the fakest fucking video I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. But he didn't see that at all. Yeah.

In his mind, he was seeing a real alien spaceship. Even on tour, I'd be like, he'd walk in my room and he'd be like, what are you doing? I'm like, oh, check this thing out. I just made up whatever, playing drums. He'd be like, dude, fucking whatever George Bush just did. He's just coming at me with some politics. He's been watching CNN.

He's always been obsessed with it. So he's obsessed with all sorts of like hidden things like not just ufos but bigfoot too and conspiracy theories politics yeah everything very very passionate about all those things conspiracy theories and politics it's interesting how those things go together because people were always wondering like who the fuck is running things what what's really going on yeah what's happening behind the scenes who's pulling the strings what does it all really mean yeah you know yeah but the ufo thing it's like boy boy you gotta i mean i absolutely believe there could

be intelligent life out there but i haven't seen a fucking single thing that makes me think that anybody's got a picture or a video. Yeah. I feel like it could, it could be real. I believe, but I'm not, I can't fucking,

I'm not dedicating my life to search for it, you know? Yeah. And I, I give it to a man to like, honestly, to walk away from your fucking very successful band to go do that shit. Like I have nothing but

respect for his passion yeah but it's like i couldn't do that that's insane yeah it's like that just it really shows like he's you know he's very very passionate about it i hope he saved up some money yeah me too you know uh survivor man less drought nah he's uh you ever see that show it's fucking great show he uh would survivor man would go uh out into the woods with a limited amount of things he would say like okay i've got this bucket i've got a fucking pocket knife and i got a ball a ball of yarn and i'm gonna survive out here for seven days and And he films the whole thing. And he'd be filming himself like eating frogs and catching a squirrel and finding edible plants and just living out in the forest. And oftentimes going days and days without food. Yeah.

And then he would have like a point where he'd get rescued. Seven days in, there would be a spot where they would meet him. He had an experience when he was in Alaska a long time ago where he was camping. And he said he heard footsteps, like big, heavy footsteps. And he heard some sound that sounded like a gorilla. Like something like that. Yeah. And then it ran off.

And to this day, he's convinced that that was a Bigfoot. And so now he has Survivorman Bigfoot, and he goes out into the woods and just looks for evidence of Sasquatch. Well, he needs to hit up Tom. Tom will pull up, and he'll go with him. He would love that. I'm sure he would.

Fuck. Yeah, he's trying to get me to go with him. I'm like, good luck. I did it one time. I went hunting for Bigfoot for a television show I did for SyFy called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. We went looking for Bigfoot. And the more I talked to these Bigfoot folks,

the more I was convinced none of these motherfuckers had ever seen Bigfoot. There was one lady that I talked to, one lady who just did not seem like a liar. And she was telling me that she saw something in the woods and it was standing up and it was tall like seven eight feet tall and she's like why is there a gorilla in the woods and then she's like oh my god that's pigfoot and she said and it was the pacific northwest like uh outside of uh washington state or in washington state outside of seattle and the woods are so dense up there that if

anything goes 10 20 feet it's gone the problem with that is that there's black bears up there and black bears sometimes stand up on two feet they do it all the time and if you saw a black foot especially a black bear rather especially from a distance you would think it was a big gorilla if it was standing up on two feet which they do do especially when they're trying to see something they'll stand up and they'll even walk there's a lot of videos of them walking on two feet, which they do do, especially when they're trying to see something, they'll stand up and they'll even walk. There's a lot of videos of them walking on two feet. Damn, just on their hind legs. You ever seen it?

Nah. That's crazy. I could see how that would resemble a Bigfoot, though. A hundred percent. Yeah. So I don't think that lady's a liar. I just, I don't. I mean, look, it might be real. There might be a few of them left.

There definitely was a thing called Gigantopithecus that lived in Asia. And the thought is that it came across the Bering Land Bridge the same time that Native Americans came across from Asia. And that they came across because they lived in Asia. And this Gigantopithecus, I think, lived as recently, I think, as 100,000 years ago. I think the most recent fossils they have of it, which is, you know, human beings were alive back then. Yeah. And this thing was an 8 to 10 foot tall bipedal hominid. So it was a huge, huge ape-like creature.

Yeah. So check this out. This is, look at this bear. Is that the craziest shit ever? Wow. Bears walking on two legs Look at him Wow

Like if you saw that Oh that's totally Yeah Yeah you can mistake that Oh my god It's a fucking Bigfoot Especially if you believe the hype Yeah

And you're searching for Bigfoot out there Yes Yeah Or if you're on shrooms Yeah Right I mean if you're walking If you're high on mushrooms

You're like oh my god Bigfoot's real Look at that thing He's like hey How you doing Oh he's got a hurt right foot That's what that is right? I mean, if you're walking around, if you're high on mushrooms, you're like, oh my God, Bigfoot's real. Look at that thing. He's like, hey, how you doing? Oh,

he's got a hurt right foot. That's what that is. You see his right foot? There's something wrong with his right foot. Sometimes, yeah, it looks like he's missing his front paw.

It says, sometimes, you know, bears will fight with each other and one bear will bite the other bear's foot off

or he could have gotten shot or he could have broke it off on something. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, he's missing a foot a foot so he's he's walking around out there like a gorilla but everybody else i was like when i'm talking to them they're like living in make-believe world here's another one walking around look at him wow that is weird man those are big ass bears yeah big ass bears chilling on two feet i mean look they look like

fucking people man i think that is a big reason why and they're they're feeding them that is so crazy where is that i don't know that doesn't seem like america south korea is it south korea yeah wow oh so that's one of those wildlife parks where the animals are all and you're in a car yeah that's like fake wildlife i mean wildlife but not really wild yeah have you ever seen that video where the lady was in china and they were in one of those parks and she got in a fight with her boyfriend just she got out of the car and she got killed by a tiger no oh she actually she didn't get killed her mom got killed she's more fucked up because her mom came out to rescue her. She got snatched by the tiger.

And then her mom, watch this shit. This is crazy. Oh no, there's a video of it. She's like, fuck you. I'm fucking walking. And they're like, hey, listen, bitch, get back in the fucking car. There's tigers out here. She's like, no, no, no.

Fuck you and fuck him and fuck you. And the tiger just grabs her, snatches her out. So the guy runs out and then the mom runs out and apparently the mom got killed so here comes the mom that lady wound up dying wow yeah and there's a park ranger like shit yeah when you get snatched up by a 600 pound cat did you hear about that fucking dude in colorado today he killed a mountain lion with his bare hands he smothered it to death yeah it jacked him while he was jogging he was running on the trails the mountain lion with his bare hands. He smothered it to death. Yeah. It jacked him while he was jogging. He was running on the trails.

The mountain lion grabbed him from behind. He got in a struggle with his 80-pound cat and wound up suffocating it. I could see this fucking badass jogger just on top of that thing. Yeah, I want to know what the jogger looked like. Just holding that motherfucker by his neck. Fuck you. Fuck you. It would have to be like Derrick Lewis or someone.

I can't picture anyone else being able to do that. Maybe he's a jujitsu guy. Yeah, we see him. I've seen him when my kids were really young in Calabasas where I live. I saw one just pacing back and forth in my back fence. Oh, Jesus. They're out here, man. Yeah.

They're out here. We see coyotes and deer all the time, but mountain lions, that's next level scary. Yeah. A friend of mine just sent me a message this morning when I posted that thing on Instagram about that guy that killed it. And he said he was running on this fire road and he realized, he felt weird and looked over and 20 feet away from him was a big cat right above him on this ridge 20 feet so that's basically us to that wall yeah big cat just looking and he said he waved his arms to look bigger and the thing just walked away like oh i carry a knife when i run i carry a fucking half face blades it's got like a loop.

You could stick your thumb into it so it stays in your hand. And people are like, why are you running with a knife? What the fuck are you doing? You don't need it until you do. And when you do, you want to have it. Didn't someone get attacked by a coyote in Hidden Hills running? Did they? I don't know.

I heard a story about that. I mean, I've ran in my neighborhood before, and two coyotes ran right past me i mean they're creeps yeah they usually don't mess with like humans you know well we had a problem with them um killing chickens because i have chickens in my yard yeah i've lost a bunch of chickens to coyotes where they were they were on top of the chicken coop pulling tiles off of it yeah They're creepy little fuckers, man. But they're little. These are like 35, 45 pounds. They're not very big, but they're creepy. They're little wolves, and they're looking at you,

and they're trying to figure out a way. What can they eat? What can't they eat? They're out there scraping, scraping and grinding. They're sneaky, like gangster. I saw one of my friends, a dear friend of mine, he lost both of his dogs to coyotes. And he had, I think he had like surveillance of it. And one is in the yard and he's playing dead.

And then his dogs approach what they think is dead. And then basically like his homie comes out of nowhere and attacks. And they both, and the one that's playing dead attacks. And both of his dogs were a rat. How big were his dogs? Small. I mean, dogs were a rat. How big were his dogs? Small. I mean, they were smaller dogs. But now he has big German Shepherds.

And he's kind of got bigger dogs now. But it was really sad, man. It is sad. It happens all the time. But they're very tactical, very crazy. Yeah, they figure out some way to work and cooperate together without communicating. It's very interesting. Yeah.

Like, if it wasn't so sad That they're killing Someone's pet It's really kind of Fascinating That they're so smart That they would play dead There was a guy

That used to work At this pet store That I go to And he also worked In a veterinary center Medical place And a pit bull came in Big ass

One of those big Jack pit bulls Just covered in cuts cuts all over its body and uh the owner was you know they asked the owner like what the fuck happened he goes i don't know he goes i came home he's covered in cuts i really have no idea what happened to him so they stitched the dog up like hundreds of stitches all over the dog's body then he takes a walk outside of his house and he follows his dog's blood. And he goes up into the hills near his house and he finds nine dead coyotes.

Wow. That people was gangster. Apparently. He just went on a tear. And he said it looked like Vietnam. It looked like a fucking Saving Private Ryan just ripped apart coyotes. Nine of them. This motherfucker just went mauling.

They must have been so bummed out. They're like, we're going to get this dog. Yeah, there's nine of them this motherfucker just went mauling yeah they must have been so bummed out they're like we're gonna get this dog yeah there's nine of us we're good we're good we got this guy yeah and then you see this fucking fire hydrant head just yeah that doesn't feel pain they've engineered those things like there's some pit bulls there's this pit bull uh if you go on uh instagram i i think it's I am the Hulk That's the name of the pit bull It's a 200 pound pit bull Like they've gotten him to 200 pounds now It's the most preposterous thing you've ever seen in your life

It looks like Like Brock Lesnar if it was a pit bull It's like it doesn't even make any sense You look at it like that A pit bull used to be like a 35 pound dog They used to be small a 35-pound dog. They used to be small. Look at that thing.

What in the fuck? Imagine if a coyote saw that. Fuck! Look at that thing! Bull mastiffs are fucking scary too. Look at the size of that thing! Yeah, I had a mastiff. He passed away recently.

He was 13 years old. We had to put him down, man. It really sad he was he was a great dog mastiffs are so sweet like look at the size of that fucking dog man just yoked too just it's a crazy 200 pound pit bull it's just so crazy that they make them that big now like a hundred pound pit bull used to be a bit i had a 90 pound one it was a big dog and i was like wow that's a big pit bull i'm like yeah it's a big pit bull this dog's 110 pounds bigger it doesn't even make any sense wow it's a fucking tank yeah but that that's one of my favorite Coyote death stories This guy going up into the hills

And find all these dead coyotes Just laying in a pile They try to ambush them What they would do They try to get one to come out And try to get chased And then the one would run And then the other ones would jump it

They're like a gang Straight up That's crazy that they think Like that though They actually have strategies They're savages Yeah up that's crazy that they're they think like that though they've actually they have actually have strategies they're savages yeah well that's like the downside of living in the suburbs you know the upside is you get a nice yard and you get a little view and yeah i love getting away from the city or like you know if it's like studio or just chaos whatever just going home and

being home yeah me too nice do you ever keep do you keep a place up in big bear anywhere i don't i don't like go up there i don't really like traveling really nah after my accident i fucking hate traveling wow like i'll go on tour but i won't even look at an itinerary before i go on tour i just kind of like just tell me where to go i'll be up i'll be where i need to be but yeah like i don't want to and i don't fly you know i haven't flown since my accident oh wow so all your touring you do is by bus yeah by bus and then i'll take the queen mary 2 to europe but no way yeah do you take a boat to europe yeah imagine if your boat sunk i know on a fucking float raft going, motherfucker. Yeah. Trust me.

But you know what? I'd rather be on the fucking raft than fucking plummeting into the ocean at 100 miles per hour or whatever. Yeah, I feel you. That's crazy. How long does that take? But yeah, I go to Laguna for quick getaways, just chill out with the family. So if you guys have a gig in New York City, you have to start your journey five days early?

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But it's cool. The kids and I get to see a lot of stuff we don't normally see yeah but i gotta really think about it like like that fucking fire festival yeah that they had booked us on and i was like i'm so glad because i would have had a drive five or six days you know to florida to fort lauderdale then get in a boat and then you know get over to the bahamas so thank god man because i was i was literally on my way there wow so when you do that do you actually drive yourself or do you have someone drive you no i'd be white knuckling driving the tour bus have you driven a tour bus it's fucking scary man well you're

driving like this right i've done it like when like when I was 19 or like 20 when I was on a tour, the driver let me drive. And it was the scariest fucking thing. I was like, take the fucking wheel, man. This is so scary. Like white knuckling. Like just being in control, being responsible over that big of a bus and all of my homies. All your friends are sleeping in it. Oh, yeah.

So it's like, oh, gosh, man. I give it. Bus drivers are – it's a hard gosh man I give it Bus drivers are It's a hard fucking job It's a hard fucking job And they drive for You know I think

We usually do 8 to 10 hour days a day Yeah On the bus It's a long time It is a long time It's quite a drive And you know They have to stay awake

And maintain their focus And I don't know about you But when I see those white lines There's something about that. It's not good for me. I start nodding. Yeah, it's like hypnotizing. Yeah, it is hypnotizing for me.

I could do like two or three hours and I'm cool. Exactly. San Diego is about as far as I want to drive. Yeah, they're built different. Yeah. And I know, fuck, they say it's way more dangerous to be on the road in a bus or in a car than be in a plane.

But I don't know, one day. I always say like if my kids want to fly one day, maybe I'll be down. Yeah. But the thought of me leaving to go play some show or do something cool and something happening while they're at home like fucks me up. Right. So I don't really do it. I know what you mean.

I can only imagine. I mean, I don't think anybody's ever going to be able to understand what you've gone through with that kind of an ordeal a plane crash where your friends died and the pilots are dead and and you managed to get out alive but almost lost your foot and burned half your body plus yeah you know fuck man it's crippling but i try not to let it be too much of a handicap you know besides like my traveling but seem like you seem like you got to work around yeah you figured it out yeah but australia can go fuck itself huh i wish i could go i love australia i love japan fuck i love japan yeah do you guys go there for ufc fights yeah i have been yeah i fucking love it there we did

ufc in tokyo once it was great i honestly wanted to move there really yeah i loved it so much david lee roth moved there for a while yeah he he moved there to take sword fighting classes fuck yeah moved there with his dog got an apartment he is have you ever talked to him no he is one of the trippiest fucking guys i just got a message really recently that he wanted to talk to me and so they gave me a phone number for him i sent him a text message and never heard back. It's like I might have to call him. I don't want to miss it out. So Dave, if you're listening, I tried twice.

But he said he wanted to get a hold of me for something, and they gave me a number to get a hold of him. But he's one of the more interesting people I've ever talked to in my life. He worked as an EMT for a while when he'd just gotten out of Van Halen. Really? Yes, like an actual EMT for a while when he'd just gotten out of Van Halen. Really? Yes. Like an actual EMT, like helping people. Like in New York.

And people would be like, are you fucking David Lee Roth? And be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're getting you in the ambulance. Keep it together. They were like strapping people to a gurney when they had accidents and shit. And fucking, imagine you get in a car accident and fucking David Lee Roth is there to help you. You're like, what? What am I? I must be must be dead yeah this isn't real life imagine wow fucking david lee roth like you're gonna be fine buddy that's legendary i love that i love he's a trip yeah

that'd be a great interview move to japan with his dog just just hung out there i go what are you doing he's like i'm taking kendo. He's taking sword fighting lessons from a Japanese master. Whoa. So every day he'd be taking fucking kendo. Sick. He's the real deal, man. Yeah. He's the real deal.

Like a real eccentric, but a really friendly, really interesting guy. Yeah. What a trip. Yeah. I love when someone is like that. Yeah. You know, like your friend that hasn't talked for 22 years. I love shit like that.

Yeah. You don't hear about that. No. Or someone that'll stop being in Van Halen to go fuck with swords. Or Tom. Yeah, to go fuck with aliens. Yeah. Goes fucks with aliens.

Yeah. Do you think they're really bringing him to the Pentagon and shit like that? I don't know. Because he said they're like bringing him to the Pentagon and shit like that? I don't know. Because he said they're like... I have no clue. And I had watched a little bit of your podcast where you were like... You sent me a text message. Why are they picking you?

And I'm like... But I feel like he's made himself readily available to do that shit. Right. I don't know. I sit and scratch my head and go, I don't like right i don't know it's a it's i i sit and scratch my head and go i don't know i don't know either i just fucking yeah he's such a talented talented dude too man he's like such a good songwriter yeah he well he certainly is certainly a very talented guy it's just so interesting that that's his main point of focus yeah you know i would think that if if aliens were, Trump would have told us.

I really do believe that. Yeah. That guy, he's such a fucking loose cannon. He became the president. Like, maybe they could hit it from him. Or as fucking chaotic as shit is right now, I don't know, something would slip, you know? Yeah, I would think that if they told him, if they brought him, those are two things I would want to know. Who killed JFK? Those are two things I'd want to know who killed jfk those are two

things i'd want to know if i became the president and are aliens real what do you got motherfucker yeah what do you got i go to the top generals i bet look i'm gonna defer to you guys i'm not a military expert okay i mean i don't want war but uh i want you guys to have support i got full respect tell me about the aliens what do you got what's this trump orders establishment of space force he did that that's right the space force yeah but that's because there's that's actually a military strategy because they're concerned that as technology improves russians are going to be in space and we're going to be in space or or fight off the aliens yeah right like will smith. Yeah, look at him.

Yeah. Mike Pence is behind him going, Jesus is going to save us. Yeah, I don't know, man. But if I became president, I never will. But if I did, those are the two things

that I'd want to know. Who killed JFK and where are the fucking aliens? Do you think they know? Do you think they know anything more than regular people? Because you've got to feel like they come in every four years someone would open their mouth somebody knows somebody knows i don't know what did elon musk say he's an alien yeah bro he's not gonna rat on

his friends right if you drive that car i'll give you the key just take it for a tour just take it for a spin out of here i will that fucking Tesla will make you believe in aliens. It doesn't even make sense. It does not make sense. I feel like I'm driving a computer when I'm in a Tesla. It's insane. It doesn't make sense. It's like every car other than that seems stupid. So is this the first one you've had?

Yes. Wow. And you're just completely in love with it? Sold. Wow. Sold. I drove one. There was a rental car company that was sponsoring the podcast, and it was like Uber for rental cars.

They would drop off a rental car, and they would – do you remember the name of that company? I don't know if they're around anymore. Yeah, I'll look. Anyway, I said, yeah, I want to try a Tesla. And I drove it. I was like, it was kind of interesting, but this was years ago. Like maybe five years ago was that? Four years ago?

Five years ago? It wasn't as impressive. But now I got the Model S P100D. This is what he told me to get. So I said, all right, I'll get it. I drove that thing. The moment I drove it, the first couple of feet, you're like, what is happening here? Why is this going so fast?

It doesn't make sense. It's effortless. Wow. Effortless like every other car on the road has to accelerate it's like this car's it just it's instantaneously going 60 miles an hour yeah i mean it just feels like it's it's happening in like blink blink 60 yeah and fucking smooth and just you can't hear anything yeah you don't hear anything it handles great it's quiet as shit it's comfortable yeah i'm fucked because i'm dude i'm a gearhead i'm like you i know you still have that blazer yeah dude that's dope yeah i tried building like my icon version of a blazer you know who built that for you uh his name was delmo he was over here in the valley so he did the ls swap and then i had another buddy of mine paint it and then i've just kind of like did

ground up like suspension but i feel like i should have replaced the chassis and done everything like that if i wanted it to be like a true icon but it's a bad fucking truck it's a dope looking truck there it is that is so sick it's know, Icon's done some Blazers. Yeah, I saw one they did afterwards. Yeah. Oh, so you have it. It's a full convertible, no hard top. God damn, that looks good, dude.

Yeah, I put a soft top on it, like a bikini top. But summertime, I just take it all off. But I have a roll cage too. Sick. I love it. I love the lowered ones too, like the slammed ones. They're so nice. Yeah, go back to these though.

That's so nasty, man. Is that the color? you have like a matte yeah it's like a charcoal matte like charcoal mercedes gray god that looks good yeah it almost pops wheelies it's so fucking strong there's so much horsepower which engine they put in there uh an ls3 oh okay what is how many horsepower is that i think i'm at like 700 that's so ridiculous that's so ridiculous but besides that you know i had like i had like 16 old schools i've actually do you really i actually fell out of love with them it's kind of weird or i think i've spent like my time with them and i'm ready to like separate from them and move on and maybe like get other stuff or like i don't know i feel like it was a moment in time though i was like kind of like hood rich in a sense where i put all my money into cars right like before i ever bought a house i had like four caddies you know and i was living in like a two-story a two-bedroom house

you know with a bunch of friends but um dude that old red one behind you is dope what is that i still have that uh 53 chevy truck oh that looks so cool icon does some of those too you ever see the thrift master yeah thrift master he's got one for sale right now i saw it yeah somebody uh had one built and then just never drove it and he's selling it is nasty dude i go over there and window shop all the fucking time have you met him yeah he's super cool he's very cool he drove me in the thrift master that one's available right now look at that fucking thing he drove me in one of those and was like hitting corners at 70 like i fucking almost lost my breath i was like this motherfucker is crazy but they really do perform they're great fucking cars

even my bronco even though it's so high yeah it's so high off the ground you would think that thing handles like shit it handles really good for for something like that is it like stock how it comes from icon like that same height or did you do anything to it stock oh yeah yeah he just does them all that way yeah and uh i was originally going to get an fj made from him and i went there i saw the bronco in person with that matte silver and i was like holy shit i was like is that what you did i go scrap the fucking fj we need to get this going so did you did you do the whole build out like you how long did it take well i was on a you're on a waiting list for a long time and then i think the build took close to a year it's like close to a year i'm so fucking impatient yeah me too

but the key is like have it in the then just forget about it yeah because then time goes by do you drive it a lot all the time i drive to the comic store like two or three nights a week but since i got the tesla i'm telling you man really ruined me it's ruined me i'm a gearhead yeah i like old school cars i have a 65 corvette with an ls1 supercharged i drive that all the time side pipe you know that cool silver shape i love it but it seems so dumb yeah it seems so dumb once you drive a tesla wow it's effortless dude it just goes yeah it's like you're on fast forward i need to check it out everybody else is living in the past yeah like maybe last year i used to have a um the wraith like the rolls royce oh that's

a sick car it's a bad car yeah did you have the ceiling with all the Wraith, like the Rolls Royce. Oh, that's a sick car. It's a bad car, yeah. Did you have the ceiling with all the lights? Yeah. It looks like space. It was so sick. But my buddy John said, hey, let's swap cars wherever we were driving. So I did. And I was really impressed.

It was really, really fast. Which one did he have? Did he have the 100D? I imagine it's the one before the one you're talking about because it was a couple years ago those were fast yeah but it was still impressive you know yeah those were fast they're still fast but this one is fucking stupid yeah it doesn't make sense it's like you it's like you're defying what you think a thing can do and it has that big fucking screen where it has all your Yeah Everything Information Yeah Yeah they're dope

He's a He's definitely a legend man Elon Musk He's got his blowtorch too Like he's fucking Right there man You going? Nice

He lit that fucking thing up In the hallway out here No Yeah I thought he was gonna Burn the building down I haven't even lit mine I'm so afraid My son's like

Of course An animal I don't want him to know How to turn it on Yeah Yeah he gave it to me And put the fucking fuel in it and everything i was like all right thanks crazy like he comes bearing gifts yeah how many people give you a blow gun a blow torch torch gun what's called it's not a blow torch right no what does he call it it's not a it's

not a blowtorch yeah not a blowtorch is that what is it it's called i believe so yeah yeah whatever it is this is a crazy picture online that we put up of him shooting that fucking thing out in the hallway and you're like you can't tell him no you know like no one tells him no he's got security around him and all these fucking all these mercenaries with guns. No one's saying anything. He rolls hard, dude. He's Elon Musk. Yeah. He's worth billions.

Everywhere he goes. I mean, he's got to have security everywhere. Guys come before him and case everything out. Yeah, look at him. What an iconic photo. With the freak party sign above his head. It's almost like we planned it. And Steven Tylerler that's steven tyler's mugshot in the background crazy man he's such a takes from your guys interview too where he's just like

fucking stoned beyond his mind it's so great i don't think he got stoned i don't think he really inhaled he took like a tiny puff i think he puffed it like a cigar. I don't think he really smokes weed. Didn't inhale? He drinks. We drank. That's what was interesting about that, the blowback or the backlash, is that we drank for two hours before we even busted out the weed. But the weed was like, what are they doing?

The guy takes one hit of weed. What are they doing? Yeah. And then it went crazy and stock plummeted 6%. But it went back up to 9% the next day. And you're supposed to smoke before you drink, right?

I don't know. Because I think you get really fucked up if you don't smoke a lot and you smoke after you've been drinking. Really? It's a wrap.

Yeah. Oh, yeah? I don't know. He never seen it. I don't think it affected him. He's like, wow. But he's so,

his brain is wired so different. You know what his brain is like it's like you ever see like uh okay no disrespect to pete holmes but you know pete holmes the comedian like look at his body and then look at usain boltz that's how i feel like like the way if they had a race that's how i feel like with my brain in the room with elon's brain i was like well these are barely the same thing. They're barely the same thing. you keep up,

man. Like you, you've had some crazy guests that are talking about atoms and fucking the universe and whatever else. And you're always like, you, you keep up with everybody. It's an illusion.

I don't know. I just memorize things. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. They understand the actual concepts. Yeah. You know, I might be able to repeat things that I've learned and read, but I don't know what the fuck I'm really talking about. They know what the fuck i'm talking about they understand the actual concepts yeah you know i might be able to repeat things that i've learned and read yeah but i don't know what

the fuck i'm really talking about they know what the fuck they're like you know i'm saying it's like if someone never did jujitsu before and they want to talk about choking someone out in a triangle and i hear them say it i'm like okay yay that's how you do it that's how you do it but they don't really know how to do it you know i'm saying but then if you talk to hoist gracie and he tells you how to choke someone out with a triangle like this motherfucker did it he knows how to do it he does it all the time yeah it's a different conversation you know so that's the difference like me i'm like a spectator talking to these geniuses but i'm just trying to pull information out of them i'm just trying to get them to talk you know yeah i just try to know a

little bit about what they're talking about the guys that were on uh i don't know what was it last week the guys that were talking about like longevity like living a long time yeah david sinclair yeah he was that was pretty crazy fascinating right yeah super fascinating yeah there's i'm glad there's people like that out there i think within the next 15 to 20 years people are going to start going back in aging like legitimately yeah they're going to be able to not just slow down aging but we're going to see like 60 year old ladies are hot as fuck yeah we're going to see 60 year old ladies that look at 32 i really believe that yeah i do too coming around the corner especially like how he was

talking about that diabetic medicine that he takes like metformin yeah yeah but apparently um that stuff has negative impacts on athletic performance it's one of the things that i was curious about when when he discussed it and dr ronda patrick sent me something on it and ben greenfield actually brought it up on the podcast we did a couple days afterwards uh yeah it's um i don't think it's it's probably good for longevity but not good for athletic performance which is, I'm not willing to make that sacrifice. Yeah, and he's probably not really concerned with athletic performance. No, no, he barely worked out. And he wasn't into working out hard either.

His deal is just maintain a little bit of exercise, just to kind of keep the blood moving. A lot of those guys that are these super genius sort of longevity experts, they're just interested in how you can slow the clock down as much as possible. And then there's other people like Ben Greenfield or like Rhonda Patrick. They're more interested in performance. Like what's the best thing for you in terms of for your mental performance physical performance i'm more in line with that but i'm but i'm also i want to know what these guys are working on yeah like the david sinclair's of the world because he's at the top of the you know the tip of the spear when it comes to longevity and and gene editing and you know

yeah what they're talking about is being able to inject certain what it was like certain genes or bacteria that carry genes it's going to fix eyesight wow yeah crazy like people that are blind are going to be able to see again like yeah they're going to be able to do some mad mad shit as long as human beings don't we we don't figure out, I mean, we don't nuke ourselves or fuck the world to a point where, you know, scientific research halts. If these guys can keep going, if we can make it to the next 50 years, people are probably going to live to be 300 years old. Wow.

Yeah. Nuts. I'm down. I love it. How fucking smart people are going to be if they're 300? I mean, think about how smart you are Compared to when you were 20 Yeah I was a dummy

Me too I was so dumb I was so dumb I'm amazed I'm still here Yeah I gotta stop and think about How I used to drive Oh same

Oh Oh Now you have old schools Do you have hot rods? Do you have any hot rods? Nah Pretty much like slow and low like old schools those are safer yeah i had a couple impalas i just got rid of uh two of my

impalas and i have like a 53 caddy i still have i have a 64 uh a 60 a 53 truck and a 41 caddy 41 cab yeah it's nice. It's really fucking nice. But it's like a three-speed. You know what I mean? It's like no power steering. Oh, wow. Yeah, you got to know how to drive. So, yeah, I still have a couple that I'm holding on to.

No power steering. The steering wheel must be giant. Gigantic. It's so sketchy to drive. But, yeah, I'm going to bring a couple out. I have a festival that happens in March called Musink that's like tattoos, music, and cars. Oh, wow. So I bring a couple of them out there.

Where's that at? Orange County Fairgrounds. Oh, all right. Yeah. Nice, nice. Yeah. But yeah, but I'm slowly. I really just, I don't know.

I want a simpler life, man. I want to be able to get in a car and not worry about if it fucking breaks down and I can get to point A to point B with how busy I am. I don't know. Dude, stay the fuck away from that Tesla. Yeah. I'm telling you, it'll ruin you. Oh yeah, there she is.

That's yours. Wow. That's beautiful, man. Yeah. What a car. What a, I mean, what a, like a, not just a car, but a window into time. Yeah. That's history.

I mean, back in 1941, that's what people drove, man. That was the shit back then. People tooling around Manhattan in one of those. Yeah, I love seeing those, you know, the movies that take place during those time areas, and they find all those classics. It's so cool. You know what was great? The more recent version of The Great Gatsby with leonardo caprio when they drove those cars but it was a weird movie because they made those cars almost like

modern it's very strange that's how romeo and juliet was too the one with um the one with leonardo you know i'm talking about did you notice that all the guns in there were super ill yeah yeah all the cars like yeah yeah it's like sick it was like futuristic yeah some weird interpretation yeah but still like time period correct right yeah so that's time period correct but when he drove that car it drove like no fucking car yeah like see if you find a scene where he actually drove the car because it sounded like it was supercharged and it's flying and it's handling well but it's all like cartoonish almost like everything the scenes were like when these they're driving these

cars they're nothing like those cars were back then oh yeah because they don't move like that no especially when they're on the road yeah unless you do like a ls swap and you redo everything like when they're on the road like these fucking cars didn't drive like that man yeah they didn't they'd have skinny ass bullshit tires yeah they barely could break you hit the brakes it took forever to slow down that was a great movie though yeah those are sick yeah see they're all going sideways around corners and shit nobody did that back then it was weird it's weird how they do that with movies where they they have this like they're having a race yeah we're racing i mean with that electric car outside will blow by these motherfuckers the problem with those those teslas is that once you get in one

other cars just seem kind of dumb they seem kind of old oh i bet i feel like it's you're stepping into the future when you drive those anything else wouldn't seem even up to date you know but there's something about cars like your 41 cadillac that have a theme to them yeah that you're never gonna get from a new car yeah you know what's cool about those is like when you're in those you're not concerned with whatever's on the radio or talking on the phone. Yeah. I don't know. You're into just like you're content with just hearing the car.

Yes. And driving. You know, driving is fun. Yeah. Whereas like if you're just in a 2019 Chevy truck, you're not going to feel like that. But if you take it that far back, just the smell of them, everything, it's a vibe and it's just i don't know it's you can't compare it to anything yeah when i bought my 65 corvette the first thing i did is pull the radio out i said

get that out of here i don't want to hear that radio it's unnecessary really yeah yeah i want to hear those side pipes and the wind yeah but it's it's going to be a thing of the past man i've really firmly believe that now after driving this car i think you know 50 years from now those things are going to be it's going to be like seeing some guy drive by on a model t yeah you know engines are going to be a thing of the past it's probably better for the environment anyway oh for sure overall anyway i think that's it let's wrap this up dope dude thank you so much Really glad we got together

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