The Joe Rogan Experience - #1243 - Rafinha Bastos

Episode Date: February 11, 2019

Rafinha Bastos is a Brazilian comedian, actor, journalist and television personality.

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Thanks for coming here. Thanks, my friend. Thanks, thanks for having me. So what we were saying before, we actually said this already, but let's say it again because the people didn't hear it. You were one of the pioneers of stand-up comedy in brazil yeah yeah it was uh i started with like four or five guys we started doing like 16 17 years ago and uh nobody knew about stand-up it was something that i found out when i came here to live and play basketball. I had a scholarship to play basketball. And I watched Jim Gaffigan. Oh, wow. And Brian Regan.

Ah, I know those guys. And I thought it was so weird because those guys were like, I was questioning, is his name Brian Regan? Is it actually him? Because we used to have characters and impersonators. So it was kind of weird, but at the same time, it was interesting because I'm not a guy who does characters and I do observations and I write. I was a journalist.

I have a degree in journalism. So it was interesting for me to see those guys doing comedy. And I thought we could do the same in my country. It's so crazy that it took that long for it to get to Brazil. Yeah. You would think that because everything else, I mean, you guys have movies and, you know, I mean, City of God, you have action movies.

You have so much that's so similar. The fact that stand-up comedy made it there is so unusual. It took a long time. It was, I don't know why, but the image of a comedian speaking like with a blazer or like a suit or something. Like Jerry Seinfeld. Yeah, it was very American don't know why, but the image of a comedian speaking like with a blazer or like a suit or something. Like Jerry Seinfeld. Yeah, it was very American, you know.

And those jokes didn't actually connect that much with us. Like, oh, I have those pockets. And it was something that we have bigger problems than, oh, I just have a pocket. Where am I going to put my pen? It was like, it was something that we couldn't connect that much. But when we saw there was a lot of people doing other stuff and there was like this huge role that we could actually explore, that was when it became interesting for us. So comedy in Brazil, there would basically be like, say if I was a Brazilian comedian, I would come up with a fake name. You would.

And I would do a character. A wig, probably. A wig. A wig. A certain outfit. Outfit, like, very over the top, screaming. And that still exists in Brazil. This is, like, popular for the people.

Stand-up, I'm not saying that it's for everyone. Now I have my Netflix special. It's becoming huge because we have some other options right now. With the internet, everything changed. The game changed completely. So we have what is good has its own space right now. It's not only what the TV wants you to watch. So the game changed a little for all of us.

So how did you start out? Did you start out by going to music clubs? It was, I actually started in a BDSM club. A sadomasochist club? Really? I remember that there was like pictures of cocks in the bathroom and like vaginas, like huge vaginas. And we had that show and it wasn't good, but it was an experience for all of us to go on stage

and try to show them our opinions and our jokes and some irony and sarcasm, which was something that people wasn't watching. But then it becomes something huge. And we got chances to go to TV and everything else. But at first, it was difficult because people could not understand, is he a character? Is he playing a part?

So that's why I had, and I still have a lot of problems with the law because, like I did a rape rape joke which i'm not proud of i'm saying it's not something oh i'm so over the over the line and but uh he was like does he does this guy wants people to be raped what is what is he thinking what is because all those jokes was taken out of context and put it on newspapers and kind of killed my desire to do comedy over that as well. Really? Yeah, it was difficult, man, because it was like journalists in the audience waiting for me to say some shit to put out of context. And then got like fucking like billions of clicks on their websites because of a joke i did yeah

that's how the controversy was starting over that i don't know if it's the same thing here so they knew that this was a new thing yeah they and then so they would come to see it and then what were they criticizing it before this it was it was huge Everybody loved it at first. But when we started to have money and TV shows, and we kind of ran away out of the underground, I was doing shows at midnight, like packing a 300 seat theater at midnight in Brazil. That was my thing. Underground in Sao Paulo in the middle of nowhere.

But then people, oh, this guy's talented. Let me give him a chance. So they put me on TV and out of nowhere, I was on TV doing the same thing. So the country was not that prepared for what I was doing at the time. What kind of laws do you have in Brazil in terms

of the language you're allowed to use on television? I'm not saying there's like a government censorship about what you can say what you cannot say but uh sponsors and and even tv stations and the media is very sensitive about everything because it's still a poor country it's still brazil still a third world country so we are we are like we have a lot of people that don't understand the oh this is comedy what what's what's comedy so right it was my duty to explain a little bit what what what was stand up and kind of open a road for all of us that's how i I felt. So you and, you said, three other comedians?

It was like three or four guys, yeah. So who were these other guys? They're still doing comedy in Brazil. Yeah? Yeah, they're still doing. They're still huge. What are their names? Marcelo Mansfield, Danilo Gentili, Oscar Filho.

That was a small group of guys that we started doing. Brazilian Portuguese is such a beautiful language. You think? I love it. I love it. It's like a song. It's like it's singing i've been doing jujitsu for 23 years so it's like to me that sound is like it's such a cool sound what does what does brazilian say in in jujitsu is that a word or something that they're still repeating that you know well i mean you know poha which is come yeah is that fuck or come which one is it but sometimes sometimes you say it like damn yeah but it's come it's come but so that's funny because like that's

like the word shit yeah like shit could be like you could look at something go shit like that's good in portuguese is okay But shit can also be bad. Yeah. You know, like, well, fuck, too. Like, fuck could be good or fuck could be bad. Like, you could stub your toe and go, fuck. Or you could see a girl with a beautiful body and go, fuck. Yeah.

But porra is the same thing. That's so crazy, but it's cum. Porra. Porra. It's good. And it's cum. It's like a big butt. Porra.

But then you're getting a choke porra. It was bad. Exactly. Yeah, I got it. I got it. It's like a big butt. But then you're getting a choke. Exactly. I got it. I got it. It's the same thing. Exactly. It's exactly the same thing. That's so funny, man.

Language is difficult, man. Yes. For me to speak in English, I was thinking about it. Black people have to stop using the N-word in rap songs because it becomes a trap for me at the karaoke i was singing karaoke at the end of the song this guy came up to me was like don't drop the n-word man but it wasn't the song so what should i do not sing the word right so that the language is something that is i still learning. It's difficult, man. Well, it's very tricky.

I mean, it's obviously in America, there's this sort of acknowledgement that black people were slaves for so long, they are allowed to do more things. In particular, use that word. Okay. There's no other word in terms of a bad word about an ethnicity that people use for themselves. A Puerto Rican person would never call himself a spic in a good, like, what's up, spic, to another Puerto Rican. They wouldn't. The N word is a very unique word. There's no word really that I can think of.

So you cannot say in any situation i could say it if i'm explaining it like this guy called that guy a nigger i could say that but even saying that people some people wouldn't do that i'm not i would never call someone that okay but i will use it if i if i'm quoting someone or if i'm explaining the word itself because to run away from the joke is even yeah it's even harder because you're acknowledging that that's a forbidden word so yeah well chris rock had one of the greatest bits of all time okay that there are black people and there are niggers this was his joke but even for me to say that that was a joke and to say it that way is dangerous and it's one

of the greatest comedy routines in the history of stand-up that's crazy yeah but a white person could never quote that joke you can't do the joke like if you try to do the joke to your friend like you'd have to work around like chris rock is so funny let me tell you the bit like you'd have to be really careful there's no way you could do the whole joke on a podcast. No. It's just you say the word, the N-word too many times. People get mad at you. That's crazy, man.

You know, racism is crazy. The fact that there's still racism, that's what's crazy. The word is just sort of like a, it's emblematic. It's like there's a thing there that connects it to the feeling of racism even if you're not using it in a racist context yes so for me i'm a i'm a foreigner so uh i was never so aware of races like i am now living in this country yeah brazil's no racism is very mild very different that is racism i cannot say that there is no racism of course there is but here it's like uh when there's election they even say how

the white voted and how the black voted yeah that's kind of weird because for me that's racism you're you're like dividing people in races and it's clear on TV. And sometimes you don't even stop thinking about it. It's like it's part of the whole thing. Well, it's because the black community doesn't feel like they're represented. And they felt like they were represented finally when Obama became president because finally we had a black president. But other than that, you know, there's a real distinction. Like with Obama, it was like almost universal. He was going to get air quotes, the black vote,

you know, but with Trump, I mean, it's, or with anybody else, it's, it's very tricky. It's very,

it's a very different thing. They want to make sure that their community is being represented and that their needs are being represented. I completely understand. And I agree that there's some acknowledgement to make about the history, but at the same time, acknowledging, uh, make divide, There's some acknowledgement to make about the history. But at the same time, acknowledging divides you a little bit as well. Yes, it does. And it's also used as a weapon by some people that are not being honest.

They're using it as a tool to divide people or to force their agenda through. Again, the real problem is not the words. The real problem is not, the real problem is actual real racism. That's the real problem. It still exists. It exists less than it did a hundred years ago and far less than it did 200 years ago. And a hundred years from now, it'll probably be almost non-existent, but it's a real problem.

People are tribal. They differentiate by town. People differentiate by what part of the country you're from. They certainly differentiate by nation. And they differentiate by the origin of your ancestors. That's crazy. It's really stupid is what it is. Unless you're just celebrating the differences and how interesting.

There's different food and different music and different culture and literature. But the actual real racism the fact that it still exists in 2019 it is crazy i gotta uh and there is a racism brazil as i'm not saying that there's not race it seemed more mild when i was there because interracial relationships are much more common if you see like a black guy with a white woman it's not it's nobody's gonna say shit it's normal it's not something that people are gonna be like pointing or something right i don't think so but there's parts of this country where it's it's a real problem there's parts of this country where

there's real racism and a black man with a white woman is in danger you know they have to be careful they go into the wrong bar they have to be careful if they go into the wrong place it's fucking crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. There is some kind of a... It's not 100% of the time that I feel comfortable here. Yeah. There's a lot of situations that I feel that I can say the wrong thing because I don't understand.

Because you don't understand the language. When did you learn English? I played basketball here. So you learned in order to play? Yeah i how old were you at the time i was this was 1999 i was 23 at the time i'm 42 so uh it was 1999 i played basketball here and i learned english and that's when i got a first time i saw stand-up it was like fuck that's that's amazing easy. Wow. That was 1999. So when you brought it over to Brazil, when you brought over stand-up,

did you guys get together and say, hey, let's try to do this over here? Where can we do it? I had three friends that knew about it. It's kind of a cult, a secret cult of people who knew about stand-up. And we were like, let's try it. But the only image that we have was Seinfeld at the end of every episode. That was the thing for us. That's the only reference.

I still remember that the first video they were like talking about what we were doing. We were like, oh, so this is stand-up. Did you ever see every episode of Seinfeld at the end he does like a little routine oh this is what they're gonna do on the theater right now so that's when we wanted to do it and uh and it took some time because we started in 2002 2003 and youtube just came on 2005. But when YouTube came, there was like a lot of people posting stand-up and little like 30 Minutes Comedy Center specials and then we could see.

And it was difficult at first because of everything that I was writing. I could see people doing on TV my jokes. It was hard for me to explain to people, okay, this is my joke like someone stole your joke yeah it was not even like stealing because they didn't know it's just joke right right it's just a joke how can i explain to people okay this is what i wrote i'm not gonna do jokes that other people wrote right uh this is it's mine. People thought I was a little crazy.

Oh, that's funny. Wow. Because, you know, I don't know if you have this anecdotes that everybody say. Sure. You have here in America? Okay. We have stand-up where people write their own stuff and we have anecdotes. Sure. And that's what we had, like little books with anecdotes.

So when I say a joke, people think that I was doing from those books. Yeah. There's stand-up comedy and then there's jokes like that people tell we call them street jokes street jokes okay yeah like two jews walking to a bar yeah that kind of stuff those those jokes are so interesting because i don't know anybody who's ever written one of those jokes i do i don't but but if you think about it that is a good timing it's something that every time that i see like one of those a good joke a good street joke i time that i see like one of those good joke a good street joke i was like i wanted to be i want me to create that thing yeah but it's

it's interesting because there's so many of them and no one knows anyone who wrote them there's there was one guy in brazil that was doing those three jokes and he created like 10 of what he did interesting but for him was like this is what i created, and the 90% that I didn't create, it's kind of in the same chunk. I don't differentiate. Now, when Seinfeld airs in Brazil, I assume that it's translated to Portuguese. It's dubbed. It's dubbed.

And when it's dubbed, is it dubbed well? Does it make sense? Nah. No? No. No. Does the jokes translate? Stand-up-wise? Nah. No? No. No. Does the jokes translate? Stand-up wise, no.

No. The series works. The series. Now we got much better. Dubbing, it got much better. Oh, really? But it's crazy. We have subtitles as well.

Like my Netflix special has subtitles here in America. So subtitles for English? Yes. Oh, wow. So you do it in Portuguese. Yes. Do you do much stand-up in English? Yeah. I, wow. So you do it in Portuguese. Yes. Do you do much stand-up in English? Yeah, I have been doing stand-up here

for eight months, like all the clubs and the improv and that factory. But here I do it in English. What I do on stage now is something that I wrote living here, like 80%, and 20% I translated for my acting in Portuguese.

Wow. And some of those jokes don't work when I translate. And it's always a surprise. Yeah, wow. It's always a surprise. Because the culture is so different, right? It's like what people think is funny and what they find ironic. But Joe, a joke is a joke, man. Yeah.

If it has a timing, if I, now I'm able to do at the same pace that i do in portuguese i feel comfortable doing in english so i feel the same thing and it's easier for me because i actually write jokes i have some friends that just like have some crowd work and interact with the audience and there's a lot of physical comedy in it so to translate that to english is difficult yeah i write jokes yeah so if i translate in a right way if you if people understand the context and people understand what i'm talking about like the pregnancy of my wife right and marriage and i don't know being single and everything, or maybe that, it can work. Now, what was it like the first time you did stand-up in America,

the first time in English? I actually have a clip on YouTube that the Laugh Factory posted. Oh, wow. It was very surprising. It was very surprising because some jokes that I didn't think was that funny worked and the ones that I was actually pretty sure they would work didn't work and I'll go so frustrating completely lost man I was like is this is gonna be a huge role for me yeah and I have been doing this is what I'm this is why I'm here yeah the

stand up in English. Now, stand-up, since it's been, you said, 16 years or so? Yeah, 16 years. 16 years in Brazil. Is it accepted now? Is it a normal part of the culture? Have they had comedy clubs open up yet? I have my comedy club in Brazil.

Where is it? It's in São Paulo. Oh, wow. It's called Comedians. It's a 300-seat seat place just like the improv wow yeah it's a great place i have in brazil and there's enough local comedy to fill it up yeah that's incredible it does now i have like like on a saturday i have three packed shows eight ten and midnight wow packed shows like um i'm getting, Sao Paulo is huge. Yeah.

Huge, huge city. There's like 15 million people living in Sao Paulo. That's, wow, man. That's 15 million people living in Sao Paulo. That's so cool. But all in Portuguese. Yeah. There's no stand-up in English in Brazil.

None. Because unfortunately, that's not that many people that speaks English in Brazil. Yeah. I know they were trying to organize shows. Like Jade was trying to get people to come to Brazil to do stand-up and I was like, yeah, good luck with that. That just seems like, it doesn't seem like

there's enough people. Jade opened for me in Portuguese in Brazil. Wow. And she helped me a little bit at the beginning here, opening some clubs and getting me some gigs. She's a very good friend. And for her, it was a little difficult in Portuguese. Oh, to translate English to Portuguese.

It was difficult. First, because what you guys, there's a culture, there's a stand-up culture here. If you're this freaky and a little crazy and hippie, that's something that does not translate to another country. Right. You have to actually write jokes yeah yeah yeah and uh and for her it was a little difficult because she has this way

of doing it like interacting and she's like and if you mess up a word in portuguese it's uh in english if you mess up a word in english it's's kind of funny. Oh, he's a foreigner. Right, right, right. They accept you. There's this likability. But if you mess up a word in Portuguese, you're a prick. Really? Yeah. Oh, so you don't speak Portuguese. Oh, you just speak English.

It sounds bad, you know? Ah, I see. Yeah, that makes sense because America is such a melting pot. There's so many different languages over here. Well, that's, you know, I read something the other day. Like, if you see someone and they speak broken English, don't make fun of them. That means they speak two languages. Yes.

And you don't. Of course. I mean, most of us don't. And Portuguese is similar to Spanish. So, people who speak Portuguese speak Spanish. So, I kind of speak three languages. Right. That's a lot.

Well, that helped Fabricio Verdum in Mexico because he's so fluent in Spanish that, you know, when he was over there fighting, you know, they were like, holy shit, this guy speaks perfect Spanish. He is from the same city that I am, which is Porto Alegre, a city in the south. So we kind of have some Spanish in the city. It's close to Argentina. Oh, I see. Okay. So it's kind of our is our thing there oh okay cool so now when you were doing stand up and you started to get in some trouble for for bits a lot of trouble

a lot of trouble how much trouble yeah a lot of money i spent a lot of money really yeah i lost a lot of sauce i lost a lot of lawsuits because of jokes. Really? Lawsuits? Yeah. So who was suing you? The people who felt offended. So people in the audience? Artists.

When I make fun of a celebrity. They would sue you? Yeah. They can sue you. They can get money out of you. Really? Politicians. Politicians?

So who sued you? You know, I got this this lawsuit that really put me in trouble it was because of a singer it was she was a singer

and kind of almost killed my career yeah she actually did that's why I'm here so no yeah

I got in a huge lawsuit and it looks dumb when you explain oh it's just a singer. But it became all this talk about freedom of speech and what comedians can say and what they cannot say. Are you allowed to feel offended? And now there's like law school talks about the lawsuit that I had.

Law school discussions. Discussions about your case. Yeah, because I made fun. It was a shitty joke. That's the problem. You know, it's not because of the lawsuit. I want to be sued by the good ones because I don't want to be known by a bad joke.

Right, right, right. Of course, yeah. It's just like, I was saying this, it's just like you meeting Eddie Murphy, one of the greatest comedians ever. And you think, oh, there's Dr. Dolittle. You don't want that. Right, right, right.

You know, this is the same thing with me. That joke was a shitty joke. And she was like pregnant on TV. And she was like doing a story on TV. And I was the host of this huge TV show. Like the Daily Show. Like the Daily Show meeting the view. It was something like that.

And, uh, and in the middle of the thing, she was, she was there. And my friend asked me, Oh, she's pregnant.

And do you think she's still hot? And I said, she's so hot that I would fuck her in her baby. And, uh, but that was live. It was like right on time. Everybody left and there was no problem.

But next week it was this huge thing because she was like her husband was very influential and uh her husband was managing ronaldo which was one of the biggest soccer players ever so there was this whole thing the tv show lost sponsors and uh and they want to suspend me from the tv show because of a joke that i did she didn't tell they didn't tell me to apologize at first but they suspended me so i quit the show they didn't know so you just apologize and i decided not to apologize because i felt that after like 10 years doing stand-up or 12 years doing stand-up, it was important for me to like put my feet on the ground and say, you know, if we step back right now, what am I going to do in like two years? This is important for all of us. It's important for comedy. So I lost lawsuits, I lost movies lawsuits i lost movies so what did they what

did they rule in the lawsuit like what was the ruling i offended her honor or yeah it was something like that it was like uh uh people can sue you the suing is part of the democracy it's okay to sue you but to lose a lawsuit that's the problem I lost like $150,000 but in Brazil it was $350,000 so if you're a lawyer

and you get $10,000 a month you get $10,000 a month so you don't translate money so I lost a lot of money but the thing is it got me a huge headache and it was bad it was bad.

It was bad. Just from that one joke? Just from that one. But you had other lawsuits. Yeah, I had a lawsuit because I did a rape joke, and I got this women movement trying to break into my bar and break the door of my comedy club, and that was huge. But the discussion was more important than the problem itself.

The discussion about freedom of speech, that was huge. What is freedom of speech like in Brazil? Is it the same? I mean, obviously, we have the First Amendment. You have the First Amendment. Do you have something? No, we don't. We don't have that.

They don't even have that in Canada. We don't have that. I had Mike Ward on in Canada. Do you know his? No, we don't. We don't have that. They don't even have that in Canada. We don't have that. I had Mike Ward on in Canada. Do you know his story? Yeah, I know. He's the guy who, he made a joke about a sick boy, that the boy was still alive years later. No, I thought it was. And, you know, it was just a bad joke about this guy still being alive and can he get

his money back because they donated money. It's a fucked up joke. But it's supposed to be a fucked up joke. He's doing it in a nightclub situation where people are drinking. You say things that are inappropriate and that's the art form. He got sued and he's still in the process of it right now.

There's another case in Vancouver where these women were heckling. They were yelling things out during the show and then the comedian went on stage and berated the women. And then the women sued and won because they were lesbians. And he made some lesbian jokes about them at their own expense. And so then they took him to court and they won.

They won what? They won some judgment where he had to pay them. Jamie, how much was it? I want to say it was somewhere in the neighborhood of $30,000. $30,000. Yeah. And for this gentleman, this comedian,000. $30,000. Yeah. And for this gentleman, this comedian, I think that was a lot of money. $42,000.

$42,000. Yeah, that's a lot of fucking money for an opening comedian. I mean, he wasn't a famous guy, so that might be two years' work for him. Who knows? Of course. Of course. Yeah, lost a lot of money as well. So Canada is similar.

Canada does not have freedom of speech the same way the United States does. Yeah, that's why I feel when I do comedy here and I feel that people get uncomfortable about a joke or two, that's when I get stressed. It's like, you have the freedom of saying those things.

Yes. Like, I have this joke that I say, it's about the N-word as well. Maybe I have to change my content a little. But I have this joke that I say it is about the n-word as well maybe I have to change my my content a little but I have this joke that I do it's like

when I arrived here someone said to me you know don't use the n-word or people are gonna kick your ass but they never told me what the n-word was

so for the past six months I have been avoiding all wars with the leather n and the other day a gay guy came up to me and said

can I fuck your ass and I was like maybe avoiding all wars with the leather ranger. And the other day, a gay guy came up to me and said, can I fuck your ass? And I was like, maybe. And when I say this joke, it's like I have to set up. It's crazy because when I first did, it was like a fucking thing. Everybody got uncomfortable. Yeah. But now I set up as a misunderstanding

because I'm a foreigner yes and now i'm free to do everything yes yes yeah so i kind of uh i found a way of doing it you found a way in yeah so that's it's crazy and i watch you a lot and i see a lot of people here i saw the other guy this guy this guy did an interview with you and he did this show in a college and uh he did a joke and people took him out of stage yeah yeah that's crazy because you built the freedom to do that yes and now you're discussing the uh if you can or if you cannot it's only in colleges though when children today and I want to call them children, they do not understand the danger in suppressing free speech. And so they think that what they're doing is by suppressing free speech and changing the way people communicate, what they're doing is making the world a better place.

They think they're signaling their virtue and making the world a better place at the same time. But it's just ignorance. They just don't understand that you can't necessarily, you can't control people. And to think that by just getting upset and silencing someone and removing them from the stage that that ends the conversation, it doesn't. It reinforces their position.

It says, okay, look, I was right about you fucking snowflakes and you little babies. You can't even understand when things are uncomfortable that it doesn't necessarily mean it's negative. Try to put yourself in someone's position and see what he's saying. And in Nimesh's case, it's actually kind of funny. First of all, he's a very open-minded guy, very progressive. He's not in any way a racist and his joke was that people say that being gay is a choice and he said i know it's not a choice because i have a friend who's black

and gay and there's no way he would choose both of those things and it was just it was just him being funny it's a funny joke and they they were like, cut, get the fuck off the stage. Like, what? Come on, man. You don't think that's funny? That's crazy. And it's also coming from an Indian man who I'm sure has experienced racism. So the whole thing is, it's very fascinating to see young kids who are growing up in this PC culture bubble.

And, you know, and sometimes people say on this podcast that we talk about it too much. And maybe they're correct. Maybe sometimes it's annoying if you're listening in your cubicle and you hear me talking too much about this but it's because it's an issue that's very dear to my heart because i i understand the dangers of not being able to communicate freely and i also understand what happens when if you suppress free communication the people that you're suppressing, they're going to get more and more angry and radical. And it just makes their position, they feel more justified. And perhaps even people who are racist could perhaps be more racist or people who are angry about gay people will become more angry about it if you suppress their ability to express themselves.

That's when born those little movements, neo-Nazi movements, little groups and little groups on the web in the deep web when discussion it's like when you for when it's forbidden i think is you kind of forgive them the power that they didn't have i think so and i think this is something that we're really just getting to understand now you know i have i've had a few conversations about this recently with the head of twitter and with uh an independent journalist tim last week. And I think what people just started to kind of understand, even though everyone's uncomfortable about this, is we're still trying to figure this out. Social media is only 10 plus years old. This is an incredibly new experience for us. And I don't think everybody knows exactly how to proceed. And this idea that you could just ban

people and then just ban people for life. they say something that makes people uncomfortable if they say an opinion you don't agree with ban them for life and we're we're experiencing that right now and uh we're trying to figure out what to do and how to how to fix this and how to mitigate it without endorsing people harassing people and endorsing people uh you know threatening people and giving out their address and their phone number and things along those lines. So it's a process that we're all going through right now. It is a learning process for the whole country. But the thing that annoys me a little bit is that I live in another country and I see

how things are difficult and how much time I spend explaining people what I was doing. And for you guys, it's like I was having the same problems that Lenny Bruce was having like a long time ago. Yes. And you guys built that. Yeah. To have that discussion, it's like, it is important because that's the way the world

evolved. But at the same time, it feels old. It feels old because you understand the history of it. Yeah. In America, yeah. It feels old because you already had that discussion a long time ago. Yeah. Are you going to keep having this conversation when you think that you finally feel free to say whatever you want?

Now there's people trying to hold you back. It's crazy. Well, it's not really effective. See, there's people trying to hold you back it's crazy well it's not really effective see there's there's people that are angry about it i mean there is on social media there's certainly people that are being effective with it but in stand-up comedy it's there's blowback and pushback but it's not very effective like for the top guys, for guys like Dave Chappelle and, you know, Bill Burr, it's,

it actually makes their standup better because people are so tired of all this shit. They're so tired of PC culture. They're so tired of being told what they should and shouldn't think is funny and what is acceptable and not acceptable. And, you know, there's a,

there's a lot of weird shit going on right now. Did you ever have a problem with that? Oh yeah. Did someone ever leave your show because of a joke you did? Oh, fuck yeah. What was the subject? Oh, my God. I don't even remember how many.

It's happened so many times. It's happened so many times. People just don't have it. Yeah. I mean, people just get angry. They get angry. And you're allowed to. I mean, it's fine.

Look, everybody has their own sensibilities. And one of the problems with stand-up comedy is If you go to a club to see music You know what kind of music you're going to go see You want to go see salsa They have a salsa club You want to go see jazz You want to go see rock and roll Or you want to go to a rap show

You know what you're going to see But if you go to see comedy You could see fucking Barry Manilow Followed by Guns N' Roses Followed by Run DMC I mean, it's You could see fucking Barry Manilow followed by Guns N' Roses followed by Run DMC. I mean, unless you're going to see a specific comedian, like you're going to see Jim Gaffigan, you don't necessarily know what the fuck you're going to see. You go to the comedy store on Sunset, you're going to see, if you get there at 9 o'clock

in state until 2 o'clock in the morning, you're going to see 10, 15 different fucking comedians. And they're all different. And some of them are men and some of them are women and some of them are gay and some of them are black. And they all have different points of view. And some of them you're going to think are the best. And some of them you think, oh, when is this guy getting off stage? I mean, that's just part of it. But for us, what's really important about that is that when I work there, I know that it's not my crowd.

They're everyone's crowd. See, if I go to do a show, if I do a show somewhere in San Diego, say, and I advertise it, the people that come, they bought a ticket to see me. It's your crowd. Yes. But if I go to the comedy store, they might be there to see Neil Brennan or Chris D'Elia or whoever. But they're still your crowd, Joe. Some of them are. At the comedy store.

They're still your crowd. They still went there them are. At the Comedy Store. They're still your crowd. They still went there to watch you. They know who you are. If you go to maybe the middle of Utah, they are not going to know. Utah's great.

You'd be surprised. Wise guys, come to the comedy club. Shout out to Salt Lake City. Oh, yeah? I lived in Nebraska, so I couldn't imagine someone...

You lived in Nebraska? Yeah, that's what I... They gave me a scholarship to play basketball. Jesus Christ. What was that like? I couldn't imagine someone. You lived in Nebraska? Yeah. That's what I, they gave me a scholarship to play basketball. Jesus Christ. What was that like? I wasn't that good. I got an NCAA Division II school.

And that was, it was, it was crazy because I had a chance to meet the American people. Right. It's not the people who lives in LA or New York. That's different. I remember. Farmers. Yeah. Farmers. And i was like hanging

around with black guys because there was my people that was i was a foreigner we were minorities and they were playing basketball with me so i felt it was it's a completely different experience yeah living in nebraska it was it was it was awesome how'd you get out It was awesome. How'd you get out? Did you walk? I actually, no. I got injured.

Oh. I got into a fight, man, and I broke my jaw and my cheekbone. No way. Yeah. A fight playing basketball? Yeah, playing basketball. On the court? I used to fight a lot. I was fucking, you know, I didn't, I don't, I'm not proud of that age, but I used to fight

a lot. I liked to fight, but I never how how to do it which is crazy because you're brazilian yeah and you know where valley tudor started it's where brazilian jiu jitsu started i always won fights but the one that i lost i broke my cheekbone and my jaw and i had to do surgery here and the surgery went bad oh no because uh it's crazy that's specific but they don't have a doctor who does mouth and bones at the same time they have a neck and mouth doctor and they have a dentist they don't have the one who does both this is them doctor at that time or at that place right so. So the surgery went wrong.

I had to go back to Brazil and had to do the surgery again. Oh, no. And I decided not to come back. So this is how, this is why this moment for me is very important. I never thought that I had, my dream was to play basketball. That's what I was dedicating my life for. And I never thought that I would have

a second chance in America. And this is, and that's it. That's my second chance and I can't mess this up. So what made you come from Brazil to America for stand-up comedy?

Was it all the lawsuits? It was a little bit of the lawsuits. I'm not saying that it was not. But my friend, it's like, if you want to play basketball you want to play at the nba right if you want to play soccer you want to go to barcelona

uh stand-ups is here man that's the place that you gotta be and we never had a brazilian stand-up comedian in in in here just like jay the ones who were born here, but not the ones who actually was like doing stand-up in Brazil and coming here, I think was important for me, for all my colleagues and all the comedians in Brazil as well to start something here. It has been a very good experience. A little hard. Yeah. But it has been a lot of fun as well.

Now, are you working over here? Did you save up money and you're living off your money from Brazil? I still have my comedy club there. I saved some. I got some money. Yeah. Yeah. I lost some of the losses.

I kept some, Joe. Fuck. But I'm saying you're not working here necessarily. No, no, no. I'm just like going and doing stand-up. I'm focusing on stand-up. I have my agent and I have manager. Everything is happening.

Last year, I did JFL. I'm headlining some clubs right now because in those places that has like a huge Brazilian community. Okay. I'm doing in English, but I'm... Throw a little Portuguese in there with them? Yeah. So that's new, man. I did everything that I wanted to do in Brazil.

I did a talk show. I did everything that I wanted to do in Brazil. I did a talk show. I did movies. I did my own series. I directed a movie, directed a series, and I thought it was like I'm 42. It's time for me to try something new. That's why I came here, and I miss my son a lot. That's the bad part, but that's okay. Yeah, we were talking about that before.

That's a crazy situation you have. It is. Got me very emotional. Yeah. My kid's there, and last time that I was leaving, and he was like, if I'm the most important in your life, why are you searching for something so far away? And I told him, this is very important for me, but it is selfish. This is something that I wanted to do.

And for my career, it was important because I lost a lot in my country as well. With the lawsuits and I lost TV shows, I lost a lot. I lost money. I thought it was a little dangerous for me to keep doing it over there. And I got a death threat that made me a little... And I didn't actually went public to talk about the death threat. What was the death threat over? It was because one of my lawsuits, I cannot be that specific because it wasn't open.

So if I say exactly who it was, I'll be sued again. Right. Because, you know... Jesus. Yeah, I'll be sued again right because uh you know yeah i'll be sued again i'll be uh offending someone's honor because i but i knew what happened and i felt i didn't feel safe there for a little bit i'm not saying that i'll run away but i i thought it seems smart to come over here yeah and spend some time and build something and maybe be here. It was hard for me that I could get hurt because of the nature of my job. Now, when you're over here and you're trying to do stand-up, do you structure your act out?

Do you have like, how do you do it? Do you write it out on paper, on a computer? Do you put it up on a? This thing over here. Put it on your phone. I write everything over here. And then I keep rehearsing and I go on stage and I have to talk and I say it. That's what I do.

I memorize everything that I'm going to say. Not everything, but it gets natural. It's the way you do it. I just memorize everything that I'm going to write because if I mess up a word or two, I can kill a joke and I want everything to work flawlessly. So that's why I memorize.

It looks natural, but I memorize everything. But it's very hard for me to interact with the audience because every time that someone like hackles me, all jokes comes in Portuguese on my head. And I have to translate. Right, right, right. Right at the time, and I lose time.

It's very frustrating. Oh, yeah, I can imagine. And I even say this on stage. Like, I was doing a show the other day, and this guy just screamed, you suck. It was like a bad show. It was a bar show. And what I say, when I am stressed out,

I just mess up words, and that always happens. And he was like, you suck. I wanted to say, go fuck yourself. And I said, gonna fuck myself. That's what I said. He was like, look at me. I was like, gonna fuck yourself? It's very hard to interact with the outside. Lose timing, man.

It's difficult to do it in another language. It's not my natural thing. So everything is on your phone? Yeah. You don't write it on a computer or notebooks or anything like that? do you write on a computer yeah you do yeah yeah i write on a computer because i can write and um it's easier to type you know like it's first of all it's bigger right you're looking at a big 15 inch screen and i can type without looking at my fingers okay and so when i have ideas i can get them out really quick and i don't have to say them okay i just

look at it on the screen and then I'll write many versions of it and then I go over it and I'll smoke a little weed and then start editing and twisting it around and see different angles. Do you test the first version? Do you test the first version? What I basically do is I get it to a point where I know that I have something to talk about.

I know I have a framework and I know where there's some punchlines. And then I write it out on paper so that when I write it out on paper, I can see it better in my head. I remember it better. Then I bring it to the stage, but I don't have a rigid structure. I'm loose with it because I want to be able to feel it in the moment, whether or not this is good. Perfect. You know, so when I go on stage, I was like, say, if I'm doing a joke about coffee, whatever, I'll go, you know so when i go on stage i was like say if i'm doing a joke about uh coffee you know whatever

i i'll go you know i i drink too much fucking coffee i got a real problem and here's how i know i have a problem and then i'll go into it and then i'll start talking about all the different areas and then i'll listen to the recording and i go oh that part sucks i gotta fix this part and this part's stupid and this part is sloppy but that part gotta laugh okay but you know what it'd be even funnier if i said it clearer like maybe i need to part gotta laugh okay but you know what it'd be even funnier if i said it clearer like maybe i need to say it this way okay you know and and then i'll just and then it's this constant process of writing writing it out going on stage list recording all sets listening to the recording and then writing again do you uh when you listen to those sets

do you keep the funny ones? Or is there sometimes that you do like a funny joke, but you don't like it? Does that happen sometimes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels cheap. Cheap, cheap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was funny.

Like you gotta laugh, but it's not good. That's sure. Yeah, absolutely. You gotta be careful of that. You don't want to be a hack. You know, that's what a hack is. Someone who tells like obvious stupid jokes that only make dumb people laugh. Or someone who does tired, beaten down material, like jokes that you know that other people have done already.

How would you know that? You just would know based on your, okay, like here's a perfect example it's steven fry do you know steven fry is yes he's a famous comedian he used this recently he said uh something about uh i would i would love to uh come back to life as a drug sniffing dog you know could you imagine being a drug sniffing dog at the airport just smelling everything oh no getting high like he was saying about how that is such an obvious stupid joke and so many people have done that and that's a joke where man i bet probably hundreds of comedians have done a joke about that it's just like an obvious premise and you know like you were saying earlier that sometimes people would say jokes that you've said and you you're you were saying earlier that sometimes people would say jokes that

you've said and you you have a hard time explaining that's my joke and to them it's just an anecdote or then it's just something funny that they heard sometimes people go on stage and their act consists of really obvious premises that they have probably already heard someone cover before that's a hack yeah that's why it's difficult. There's a huge challenge for me because I have been doing it for 17 years, but in another country. So you guys, you guys,

there's a huge road that you guys already followed. So if you hear something, wow, that's old. Maybe for me, it's not. Right. And I don't want to be that guy. Right, wow, that's old. Maybe for me, it's not. Right. And I don't want to be that guy. Right, right, right. And what I realized is that people don't point that out to you.

Well, you could ask people. Yeah. Yeah, if you're friends with comics, like, you could ask. Okay. And they'll tell you. Yeah. Yeah, that's why,

like, the other day, this guy was doing a joke and I kind of thought about a... Tagline? A tagline, yeah. And he got uncomfortable with me like telling him, oh, what about this? And he was like, yeah, it's difficult, man, to connect with comedians. It's not that easy because they all have huge problems.

They all have it, man. I was like in a group of guys, one was like ex-drug addict and the other one was a drunk and they had like huge problems. And I was like, I have friends. It was difficult, man. Yeah. You got to be like, oh, you got a deep and you got to fucking go into the bottom to search for something good. And I understand this process. But at the same time, do I really have to go through all that to come with something great no you don't sometimes you

just have good ideas yeah chris talia actually has a bit about that i don't want to do his bit but it's basically a bit about how good his childhood was and how close he is with his family and everybody thinks that you have to have a fucked up childhood to be a comedian yeah it's not true you just have to be a fucked up childhood to be a comedian. To have a comedian. Yeah, it's not true. You just have to be funny. You don't have to be funny. People are funny for different reasons. Some people are funny because they always enjoy stand-up. I mean, if you grow up enjoying stand-up comedy and then become a stand-up comedian, there's nothing wrong with that.

You don't have to be a drug addict. Do you? And I'm not going to be because I tried marijuana. Yeah, marijuana. Weed. Weed. Weed, yeah. Once, two years ago, and I stayed high for 14 days. Swear to God, man.

Did you eat it? 14 days. No, no, no. You smoked it? It was in a vaporizer. Is that? Yeah, vaporizer. Vaporizer, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I stayed high for 14 days. That doesn't make any sense. And I thought, it doesn't, right? It doesn't. I wasn't high, right? I probably wasn't high for the second day, right thought it doesn't right he doesn't i wasn't high right well it wasn't but i thought i was like disconnected from reality well sometimes that does happen and i know a story about a guy who is a straight-laced guy who took some marijuana edible so that he could get to sleep and he had a real problem like he got suicidal and freaked out and became just irrationally anxious

he had crippling anxiety for some time for some time for weeks and he's a confident guy and a very handsome big muscular guy like just like you would never imagine this guy having any anxiety i think some people have just just the chemistry of different individuals. I wasn't barred for that. And that's what the doctor told me. Because I went to the psychiatrist. Wow. After 12 days, I went to the psychiatrist.

Jesus Christ. I swear to God. I'm that weak. I'm that weak. I went to the psychiatrist, man. And I told him, no, I smoked that thing like 14 days ago and I still high. No, I smoked that thing like 14 days ago and I still high. And he looked at me and he gave me some psycho.

He gave me some pills and I was like, oh, if you stay high until tomorrow, you'll take these pills. Because what he told me is something that I didn't know, that it can be a trigger. If you have some tendencies of schizophrenia and a psychopath or if you have which was not my case and he's told this is very rare but it can happen which is not your case and i was happy because he said yeah and the next day i was okay and i felt okay and i didn't took the pills and i was crazy man that is crazy And I remember that I decided to record. I was like, let me record what I'm thinking. At least let's get some good experience out of it. And I remember that I started to record, and I said,

now I'm going to record everything that I'm thinking. And when I looked at the cell phone, it was 45 minutes. 45 minutes of talking. And I didn't even realize. I just said that, I'm going to record now, and that was 45 minutes of talking and I didn't even realize I just said that I'm gonna record now and there was 45 minutes and when I listened like 15 days after that

I was like I'm so crazy I'm so crazy I'm so crazy I'm gonna die I'm never gonna understand what my son's talking what is my son talking to me right now

wow that was great one hit of a vaporizer one no it was more than one a bunch of hits it was a bunch. Yeah.

Oh, you're too tall. You're big. You're like 250 pounds. So fucking use it a lot. Oh, so they were saying keep hitting it because you're tall. Because I wasn't feeling it. Oh, no. But when I felt it, I felt for 14 days.

Yeah. That's one of the big problems with people when they first try is they try too much. That's what happened. Yeah. Someone just says they try too much. That's what happened. Yeah, someone just says, take another hit. That's what happened, man. I tell people, if you're thinking about trying marijuana, go like that a little bit. That's it. Put it down.

I don't feel anything. Shut the fuck up. Leave it alone. Leave it alone. You'll eventually feel something. Feel something, yeah. Just leave it alone. Wow, that's crazy, man.

There's so many people selling weeds and stuff. It's not even cool anymore. Weed's not cool anymore? I don't know. Yeah, it's like people are so... When I do shows, there's a lot of people talk, oh, I smoked this and I smoked that. It's like, man, it's legal now. Yeah.

It's just like going to the DMV. It's not dangerous. Yeah, I think it's good. It has to be legal. Yeah. Well, it definitely should be. It doesn't affect me that way. For me, I've been smoking it a long time.

It's pretty easy. Okay. It chills me out. It doesn't affect me that way. For me, I've been smoking for a long time. It's pretty easy. It just chills me out. It actually makes me nicer. It makes me a more calm person. It does? Yeah, it makes me more sensitive to other people's feelings. Did you ever smoke because you felt that you were nervous or stressed out? No.

I'm not going to perform well in this meeting or something, and then you smoke it? No, it doesn't work like that for me. Like if I'm stressed out and I work out. If I'm stressed out. That's my best for alleviating that. Marijuana is good for me for thinking. For contemplating and going over things.

It's not good for me for stress. If I feel like tense, tension, I work out. That's what gets it out of me. I always wanted to ask you one thing. It's completely different sub-units. Can I ask you anything? Whatever you want. When you're doing interviews at the end of fights, did you ever feel threatened somehow?

No. At least once. No, no, no, no. One thing that I hope the fighters realize is that what I'm trying to do is only get them to express themselves. I want them to shine. I really genuinely want them. They won this big fight. I want them to express themselves. I want them to maybe maximize their marketing, their marketability, and just tell the world how they feel.

maximize their marketing perfect their marketability and just like tell the world how they feel like that's a Incredibly unusual experience to win a big fight in the cage on pay-per-view in front of millions of people My goal is only to try to get them to communicate the better and to let them know that I'm there to support them That's all I'm ever trying to do or fit, you know Yeah, like i was saying before before we started talking that i have a lot of friends in mma sweetest guys people yeah you consider what they do for a living it's crazy so crazy yeah damien vanderley yeah ninja shogun how is ninja doing these days man uh last time i talked to him he got some he got some uh i don't know if it was because of the fighting i cannot say that but his speech it's a little slow yeah it is already hard

to understand even shogun they have this what they call the juanace which is the way of speaking they come from a state which is very hard to understand what they say. They're from Curitiba, right? Yeah, from Curitiba. And people from Curitiba sometimes, when they speak too fast, you don't understand that much. But a ninja, I think he got some injuries

and got some scars on his head. I think he got some surgeries. Yeah, I think he had surgery on his head. He was fine at the time. People were kicking people in the head. Oh, soccer kicking. Soccer kicking, bro. And he was one of the best. He was good. Yeah, he was an animal. So good are kicking people in oh soccer kicking soccer kicking bro and he was

one of the best he was good yeah he was an animal he was really young too and at the end he was like getting knocked out with slaps yeah that's the scariest thing is when you see their chin go when their ability to take apart what's crazy is shogun seems to be making a resurgence it's crazy he amazing he i i used to be very good friends with one of his coaches and after the fight with henderson the first one which was like a crazy fight chaos that was a chaos and i was talking to him and he was like you don't even imagine how talented this guy is but uh he got a focus. If he was focused, he would kick his ass

in like fucking two minutes. So he just, that's the way they do it in the shooty box. They like to fight. They like to fucking just go at it. Him and Cyborg and Wanderlei

and even Anderson, the same thing. But the way they do it's just like let's go to war yeah and sometimes the game changed

yeah but Shogun's like learning you can see that he's like improving still improving I think he's like 36

his last fight he looked sensational I mean he looked like a fucking killer too it's crazy he can take a shot again now it's weird it's like

I mean he got knocked out by a few different guys and he's lost some fights some tough fights but his last fight he looked as good as he's looked in years it's it's sad for me when i see like uh i don't know why he's always with brazilians but when i see like an old an old fighter getting his ass thick too quick yep i remember his fight with son and that was that was yeah well he got caught he got caught in a guillotine but he's fast the guy trained for like six months and that's very frustrating remember when royce went back to fight with hughes that was like yeah well matt hughes was in his prime then you know and he was so strong and hoist just wasn't he wasn't physically capable

couldn't do it right he didn't look the same you know he just didn't look like he was physically capable the same way and and you know matt he was just fucking talented unbelievably talented when he when he got on top of hoist and he was smashing him i was like oh yeah it's hard to watch it's hard to watch yeah yeah but that's the I mean, that is the life they chose. You know, when Chuck Liddell just got knocked out by Tito Ortiz, that was hard to watch because you could tell he just can't take a punch anymore. I wasn't that fight that way in there to watch it. He was bad.

He wasn't good. He wasn't moving right either. The thing about when fighters take a lot of knockout losses, one of the things that's very, becomes apparent is their balance looks off and their movement doesn't look the same like their neurology there they don't their body doesn't move is not the same yeah you can look the same but they react the same right right I mean even Anderson when he lost a stylebender I think stylebender would have been a tough fight for him at any point in his

career because stylebender is just fantastic super technical but anderson looked like he was a step behind the anderson of old like the anderson that knocked out vitor the anderson that you know you go back to the early days anderson that knocked out chael sun and that anderson was a fucking he was just an assassin yeah he was so good he just knew what to do and when to do it and when the stylebender fight he just looked like he was just an assassin yeah he was so good he just knew what to do and when to do it and when the style bender fight he just looked like he was a little off a little off just but he's also 46. you know he's i think he's one one year older than me 43. he's only 43. yeah we did a show together uh we do a show this show on atlas called the ultimate beast master which is... Brazilian Netflix? No, it's here as well.

Terry Crews did an American. We do all hosts from different countries. And it's like American Ninja Warrior for Netflix. Oh, okay. And we have hosts from different countries. And we have the Brazilians and the Italians and the French guys. And I did a show with Anderson. He's a sweet guy.

He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. I mean, he's one of the all-time greats. I mean, I had the honor of calling a lot of his fights. And it's crazy because, yeah, and it's crazy when you're talking about the guys getting older. I remember I talked with Minotauro. It was like three or four.

It was like two fights after he actually retired. And I asked him, why do you keep doing it? You don't have to. You don't have to prove anything to no one. And what he said to me, I think was so fair. He was like, I fought when this thing wasn't giving me any money. So just let me lose a fight or two and get some money at the end of my career because i deserve that right he wasn't like of course he was going there to win but it's like

i want to take the risk yeah because i was fighting in japan getting i don't know five thousand dollars and now that the game it's like bringing you so much money, I'm going to retire. Let me just do a couple more. Well, Minotauro, not only was he a pioneer and one of the great MMA heavyweights of all time, but he's so important for MMA because he showed that heavyweights can fight off their back and that heavyweights can win by triangle. When he triangled Mark Coleman and was tapping guys with arm bars. When he beat Bob Sapp. Yeah, that was huge.

The Bob Sapp one is fucking crazy. That is one of the greatest MMA fights in the history of the sport. 375-pound Bob Sapp. Minotaur only probably weighed 230, and he wound up tapping him with an arm bar. It was fucking crazy. And after he got spiked on his head, which still apparently fucks with him to this day.

His neck was fucked up permanently from that. Because of that? Yes. I didn't know that 375 pound guy who doesn't even look like a human he looked like a like a comic book yeah and he smashes him on his head and minotaur recovered and i mean he was one of the toughest guys of all time yeah but he was run by a truck when he was yeah that's that scar and this was run by a truck crazy yeah that's crazy i mean's that scar and it's run by a truck crazy yeah that's crazy i mean he's um he's one of the most important figures in the history of the sport and then i think fabricio took it to another level because fabricio verdum probably has the best guard in the history of the sport it's the history of the heavyweight division i mean when

he caught fedor when he had him in his triangle and he had him locked up like that you don't get away with that guy. Like, you might get out of some people's guard. Not Fabricio. That motherfucker locks people up. And I got to thank him. I'm here just because of him. Yeah.

Thanks, Fabricio. Well, my respect for him. You know, when he reached out to me, he was like, okay, I'll get your friend on, 100%. Thank you, brother. And he is a great guy. And that's why I asked you if you kind of feel threatened. Because when people get, they're in a fight. You don't know what's going to happen. Right.

And when you go over there to talk with one, you can say a wrong thing at the wrong time. I don't know. You can make mistakes for sure. You can make mistakes. But my intention is always to just make them look good. That's all I'm trying to do. All I'm trying to do is just get them to express themselves and also put some emotion to how great their performance was. Perfect, perfect.

Yeah. But it's a weird job, you know, to also be a comedian. It's a strange combination of things. Combination of two. Do they go watch you sometimes? Sometimes, yeah. That's good. That's good, man.

That's very good. And for me now, it's like I'm here to try this comedy thing, man. And so you're getting up in Los Angeles and you're traveling anywhere? Yeah. I have a gig on Rhode Island. Rhode Island? In March. A lot of Portuguese people in Rhode Island.

Yeah. I have a gig there. I did the Gotham Comedy Club last two weeks ago I headlined the club so it's happening

did you get a lot of Brazilians that come to see you yeah do they want you to speak Portuguese they do and some of them don't speak English really

there's like always like two or three at the end of the show oh I thought it was in Portuguese but that was so good to see you but I didn't understand anything you said right

so that happened but it's it's hard man because I have to build an audience yes here

yeah and it's gonna take some time do you do a podcast? I don't you should I should yeah definitely I know

definitely it's a good I think every comedian like every comedian has has an Instagram page. Every comedian also should have a podcast. It's very simple to do. It's not something that we do that much in Brazil. Maybe you could be the pioneer of that, too.

Pioneer on podcasts. Yeah, I mean, you're already the pioneer for stand-up. YouTube is something huge in Brazil. Well, that's a great way to start. Because all you need is a webcam and you can start your podcast just on YouTube. Just on YouTube. Easy to do. I have my channel YouTube got like 2 million subscribers.

Really? On Twitter, I have 12 million people following me. Damn. It's a lot, man. That's a lot. 12 million people following me. My Brazilian Instagram, I got like 1.5 million people. People are very

active in social media in brazil it's good it's something that is from our nature to connect with people in brazil so that's why social media got huge and it was uh it was like an alternative for the traditional media what is this the most influential person on Twitter. Look at you, motherfucker. I got a story on the New York Times. That's crazy. New York Times Magazine saying you're the most influential person on Twitter. That's incredible. Now, why are they saying you're the most influential?

What were you doing that was influencing people? I have no idea. I was surprised. One day I woke up and there was a story on the New York Times saying that I was the most influential profile

on Twitter and in second place, the Dalai Lama. What? Take this one, Dalai Lama. Obama in third. Who are you, Obama? I was the first one.

So they did like a huge story about me. Wow. That's incredible. It was, man.. So they did like a huge story about me. Wow. That's incredible. It was, man. Twitter was something huge in Brazil. What is the difference between the way people use Twitter in Brazil and in America? Is there a difference? No. For me, I just use

Twitter for jokes. That's what I did for quite some time. It was Twitter lost a lot of his strength in Brazil because people of his strength in Brazil because people like to connect in Brazil. So Facebook is huge and Instagram is huge. So you have your family over there.

You have everything. You have your people. But you feel talking, you feel just like, Twitter feels like you're screaming and someone is going to listen. It's not like on Facebook that people follow you and then if he likes you, your post is going to be like in the top of his page. Twitter is just something that is there.

So it lost a lot of power in Brazil. But one thing that is happening right now is our new president. And we have a new president now. That is a right-wing guy. He was just elected, and he got stabbed. He was like a… When did he get stabbed? It was like two months ago. Really?

During the process of the election. Holy shit. He got stabbed in the gut. Whoa. Yeah. Did you see that? That was crazy. I didn't hear about that.

Yeah. And he won the election. And he's trying to do with twitter with trump did well he's doing it here like run instead of going to press conferences and and everything he just go on twitter and say what he wants wow yeah twitter is uh unique in the way people just use it to insult people and so angry it's so angry like if you just only if you didn't know anything about people and you just looked on twitter and you just like saw how you're like well people must be fighting in the streets it must be just a bloodbath out there if you really thought that

people interacted in the real world the way they do on twitter you would think that everywhere is just weapons and clubs and running people over with cars, wishing everyone dies. But I think, man, there's a difference. And I think we have to acknowledge that. There's a difference between your behavior on the web and outside of the web. For sure. And sometimes you don't realize that. Yeah.

Oh, the world is boring. Everybody is sensitive and everything else. If you go outside, it's not that much. It's the same. It's the same. It was always. It's a distorted. It's the same. It was always. It's a distorted lens that you could see humans through. It's not how people really are.

And it's also, it's not a healthy way to communicate because you don't worry about what the person thinks about what you're saying. You're saying things that you don't necessarily even really mean because you're trying to be inflammatory. To get some attention. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of it. A lot of it is just screaming, screaming for attention and insulting people.

And then you look at people's pages. That's the most disturbing thing to me. When someone says something shitty to me, I'll go to their page, and I see they're just saying shitty things all day long. Like, what kind of life is this, man? It's a fucking terrible life. What I'm doing right now,

I have this series that i do on instagram where i just i get like the guy cursing me or saying some shit about me and i just show his face and it's enough and it's funny because it's it's funny to see who is actually who hates me right then uh i call this the people who hates me and then i put what he wrote and then only his like his face right his thumbnail it's enough for you to see oh that's fucking you don't have to take things too serious because if you take a look of their lives it's you can see why they are so mad yeah there's there's a lot of that a lot of anger and most of them have private accounts like you can't look at their pictures they're hiding hiding. Yeah. They're hiding who they are.

They just talk shit in the comments. That should end, bro. Yeah, it's weak shit. Fuck, just end that shit. It's so weak. You're giving people a chance to, like, throw blind shots. Of course, man. That's crazy.

I think that being anonymous on the web is a good thing because it allows you to be free at the same time. Yeah. It's good for whistleblowers for people like reporting crimes reporting corruption of course you know like that for that it's critical that is that is a uh that is a way to do it and don't expose yourself yeah but at the same time it creates that but it's you know it's the sign of the new era bro yeah it's just a new thing that we all have to navigate it's just a new thing and

it's like we were talking about earlier with social media being so recent in human history there's never been anything where you could just talk to the whole world and do it from your phone while you're sitting at a red light you could say something there's a story about this woman what was her name justine sacco without the woman's name who who said something racist and went to a plane yes i saw that she said uh i'm going to africa hope i don't get aids just kidding i'm white lol so she was fucked up on ambien and she was uh or xanax or ambien i forget what it was she was she was on some sort of psych medication and uh something that affects your brain and drank too she had a couple of drinks just thought she

was being funny and then wakes up 16 hours later in africa and her life is over that's crazy fucking crazy and it was just one of those days where there was like a slow news cycle and people just jumped on that tweet and the thing about it too is that they don't want you to recover from something like that they want that's that's want you to recover from something like that. They want that's you for the rest of your life. That's what I felt. Yeah. That's what I felt.

I'm the baby fucker. I am. Yeah. So everything that I say right now is like, wasn't you like fucking babies? No, I never fucked a baby. Never. I don't think they're attractive. I don't feel attracted at all

Do you foresee a time ever Where you will go back to Brazil? No I do I do go back to Brazil But I mean go back to Do you stand up and live again? I I don't see that man

The challenges here And the freedom that I Think I have here And maybe I don't Maybe I will face this This whole thing The same thing when i get famous or when i when it's when i get no no you won't it's way easier here you think

yeah yeah from what you're explaining to me but look at lou louie or louie's a different case because it's not what he said on stage and you know i mean it's a he got caught up in the wave of the me too movement too whereas if this same exact instance happened in the past. Yeah, it's not the same thing. Yeah, it was a bad comparison. But I got like Daniel Tosh did a rape joke. But that was over in like that. And do you know what happened there with the joke?

No, he was like improvising with the audience or something. He was improvising with the audience. Here's the deal. He was at the Laugh something. He was improvising with the audience. Here's the deal. He was at the Laugh Factory. He wasn't supposed to be there. Dom Herrera, who is his friend, said, hey, why don't you go up and do some stand-up? He goes, I don't have any material. Just go up and fuck around.

They'll be happy to see you. He goes, okay. So he goes on stage. He goes, I don't have any material. So what do you guys want to talk about? Some guy yells out, rape. And he goes, what's funny about rape? He's making fun of the guy. What are you talking about? Some guy yells out rape! And he goes what's funny about, he's like making fun of the guy. Like what are you

talking about? What's funny about rape? He goes like, what's funny about rape? The humiliation, the violence and some woman yells out, actually there's nothing funny about rape. So he goes wouldn't it be funny if five guys just raped her? So he's just being Daniel Tosh. So it probably

would have been just one of those moments in a live crowd filled with drunk people but she wrote a blog about yeah where she was the victim she wrote this huge blog about him calling for her to get raped which is not exactly what he did it's it's in the context of being heckled you understand what it is and he kind of had to have some sort of an apology for it but then all these other people jumped in and then it became a a moment where people could show that they don't support rape or they don't support what we call rape culture they use you as a platform yes yes that's what happened and that's what happened with me as well people don't analyze

context anymore exactly and we are very uh we are available we we as comedians we are talking we are ourselves we are not playing a character so if you take if i take your jokes joe out of context from your special netflix i can get some some clicks if i want yeah for sure if i wanted but i think people are getting tired of it and now they understand the process. Yes. But what I felt was the beginning of that. Especially in your country where you don't have

a long history of stand-up. Yeah. So that's why I lost money and that's why I lost a lot of money. You're the motherfucking Lenny Bruce of Brazil. Yeah, man.

You know what? Someone will give me that credit in the future but now now you want to be now rafi in america no no not only that but that's why uh what what people said to me and what i felt was that that i was a lot of people said i was using this freedom of speech argument to offend people right well you You hear that in America too. Which was not the case, but that is a matter of freedom of speech.

Yeah. Because we had a law in Brazil a long time ago where people are like trying to regulate comments on the web. Oh, if I feel offended, I can ask someone to delete that. So the government was trying to regulate that.

Yeah. And the law was approved. So like after, it wasn't approved, but the law was like changing after the voting. But when it becomes, at the end, the government was like, when it was getting the time of the voting, the government was like was like okay what about if i take some tweets as well that offend me so the government tried to get into the way of things so it is a matter of freedom of speech when this is gonna end it becomes with the joke but maybe it can end with the government uh shutting you up. I have a friend in Venezuela, a comedian friend. His name is Nacho.

He was kicked out of the country because of some jokes he did. Whoa. He can't go back. He's living in Miami right now because if he goes back to Venezuela right now, the government is going to put him in jail or maybe kill him. I don't know.

Wow. What was his jokes about? Yeah, I don't know what his joke was about but he was making fun of the government but then like one year after that he makes some jokes about people with down syndrome and then the government felt that he he when he has to go to jail because of the down syndrome joke they were using that thing to take him out of the streets so it's dangerous out there man it's not that easy to do comedy outside of america you build that freedom yeah you hear about it all the time people in

other countries that say jokes and they get in trouble uh like there was something in thailand there was some someone made a joke about the king and they locked him in jail and it's it's very dangerous there's a him in jail. It's very dangerous. There's a lot of countries where it's very dangerous, very dangerous to speak out against the government. Yeah, we're really, really fortunate here. So, like, for you, when you see Americans complaining about freedom of speech over here and not being able to say whatever you want, it's kind of a joke, right? It is, man. It is. That's exactly what I feel.

It's just like, if you want to be an asshole, just deal with the consequences. That's all. Yes, yes. That it is that's exactly what i feel it's just like if you want to be an asshole just deal with the consequences that's all yes that's all i'm that's what i feel i'm an right but when someone stopped me on the street say you're a piece of i was like yeah you're right but that's okay let's end there i am a piece of and that's what it has to end you know yeah don't take it uh personal uh that's what i i feel that is is difficult to do uh comedy out there and here you have this freedom of doing it and i think it's it's beautiful it's beautiful it's something that you guys built do you think that it's going to change in brazil and then maybe the the stand-up comedy could actually see because one of the things that happened in america is that lenny bruce because he didn't just tell jokes he actually talked about social issues on stage it

actually expanded people's ideas of what these social issues are and and how critical they are it changed culture in a lot of ways and jokes one of the things about stand-up comedy that does help to change culture is say if you have an opinion and I have an opinion. If your opinion is different than mine, you say something. I'm like, well, I don't agree with that. I think this. But if you say something and you make me laugh, even if I don't agree with it, it sneaks in my head.

Like you have a point. If your point is so good that it makes me laugh, even if I don't agree with it like god damn it he got he got in there so you get you can propagate ideas yeah inside someone's consciousness you can you can sneak them in we have a few people doing it in brazil some uh and i used to have this tv show called cqc and we used to do comedy in congress we used to go and interview congressmen and make fun of them and we got kicked out of the congress and again then people brought brought us back to the congress but it all uh it all

reached a point when it's about money and if the and if someone is not willing to put money in your product you don't do it and money is connected to politics and politics and brands. And the TV stations, for you to have a TV station in Brazil, you need authorization by the government. So you're not that completely free to do what you want to do. But you have some people doing it. And comedy is getting big. Stand-up is getting huge in Brazil.

It's connected to YouTube. I have a lot of big comedians doing like huge theaters. I used to do like 5,000 seat theaters in Brazil. So it's becoming an option. Wow, 5,000 seat theaters. Wow. You do it, man. You do it here.

It's 5,000 seat theaters. Yeah, I do it all the time. You just open those like, wow. You do like 10,000 seats but what I'm saying is it's crazy that you started out doing like a sadomasochist club yes

and then you go to a 5,000 seat theater that's pretty amazing that's what I built with some friends and I feel that I'm proud of that to open this

this discussion and this chance because I have a lot of people doing it right now getting money out of it my comedy club we pay well comedians

every time they go on stage it's not like here they get like 10 bucks sometimes but it's okay we consider that as a business over there

and that's serious and this is awesome that's fantastic it's so cool that you started that I mean that's gotta be really a good feeling to know that all these people that are doing it now that are professional comedians like you you took the first steps yeah yeah i feel proud man there was a lot of people that i probably have all of them watching this right now i don't know of anyone who has ever done it in one language and then made it over in America afterwards.

I'm trying to think. I can't think of any. I don't think anybody. Not in English. Oh, yeah. I can't think of anybody that started out in another country and then made it in America. What is the name of the Russian guy? They always do the, still doing the comedy store.

They used to say. Yakov Smirnoff. Yeah. Yeah. Great guy. He, I think he's Russianussian yes he's russian but i think he's been over here most of his life oh i don't think he started in russia i think his whole idea in russia they say yeah his whole thing yeah so he was doing like a character no no he speaks i mean he definitely speaks russian okay and he definitely

is from russia but uh he definitely plays it up, too. And he, you know, he's been over here forever. He has his own theater in, what is that place where those old folks live? Branson. Branson, Missouri. Yeah. It's like one of those weird, like, super religious places. Oh, yeah?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, they, it's a strange area. It's a very strange, like, you talk to people about it in branson missouri people go like it's it's not a place where like dave chappelle goes to play do you go to those places no i do not no i do not there's only so many places i go i don't have any time to i don't want to you know i'm not trying to run uphill no yeah if you don't get it that's all right i'll go to chicago okay you know yeah i'll go somewhere where people have to yeah yeah it's just i don't have time but now what i'll concentrate on now i mean the ground's already been broken right i'm

not breaking any new ground all i'm trying to do is write good stuff write good material do good work and i'm just trying to make people happy i'm trying to make them laugh that's all i'm trying to do i just try to when they go and they get a babysitter and they come to a comedy club i want to do my best that's all i want to do so that's all i think about do you still uh get a lot of like movie offers and uh yeah i get i get offers for stuff but i don't act you don't i don't do it anymore i tried it a little bit it's just not my thing okay it just takes time it's not necessary and all my friends that do it you know like my it a little bit. It's just not my thing. Okay. It just takes time. It's not necessary. And all my friends that do it, you know, like my friend Brian just called me from a movie set the other day.

He goes, you're so right. Fuck this. He goes, I'm sitting in my trailer for 16 hours. He's like, I fucking hate this shit. I don't want to do this. I just got another offer for another movie that's not that good, and I don't want to do that either. You know, you could do a movie and put so much effort and time

into it no one will see it like maybe it'll be opposite some fucking big avengers movie and nobody goes to see your movie and it's out of the movie theater in a week yeah you're like shit fuck i spent so much time doing that no one cares no one cares the thing about movies too that's interesting is there's so many of them it's not like you're ever going to see all the movies there's so many movies and every week there's new movies. If you really stop and think about how fucking insane that is, there must be thousands and thousands and thousands of movies. You can't possibly see them all.

Like, if you just want to be entertained, like, you could see movies to the end of time. You could just sit in front of your fucking Netflix until your eyes fall out of your head watching movies. That's crazy. There's almost no need to make more movies. We're good. And it's crazy.

Yeah. And it's crazy because movies are getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger because they have to bring you something that takes you out of your house. Yes. Yeah. People don't go to the movie to watch Adam Sandler anymore. They want a fucking superhero kicking your face and coming in your neck. Yeah. That's what they want.

They want fucking huge stuff. Yeah. That's what they want. They want fucking huge stuff. Yeah. There's that. But then people do need comedies like Kevin Hart movies. They still sell really well. People still want to see something funny. People still need. It's one of the things about stand-up and one of the things about funny movies, too,

is that people need a break from the grind of life. Life is a horrible grind. It's fucking hard, man. It's hard to pay your bills and get up every morning to a job you don't want to get up to. And maybe you're not even into being married anymore. And you've got to fucking trudge through that. Because maybe you have children and you decide that it's better to stay for your children. And you're fucking living in hell.

And your neighbor's a cunt. And the dog won't stop barking and and then you just need something just something give me something give me something funny my friend that's why i'm so optimistic in life is that what what a chance i have of pursuing my dream yeah and doing comedy making people laugh and having fun i don't have to sit in a fucking fucking chair for eight hours a day and uh with a job that i don't have to sit in a fucking share for eight hours a day with a job that I don't like. Because if you like to be an accountant, that's okay. Be happy being an accountant.

Sure. But it was never for me. Yeah. It was never for me? No, it was never for me either or any comedian that I know. Everyone that I know was like doing something and living in hell until they decided to be a comedian or the thought of doing something else. But that's the path of life, right? The path of life is, for some people, what we do would be hell.

For some people that are introverts or that they don't like attention or they don't like public speaking and they're not necessarily funny, what we do is hell. If you weren't a funny person, you don't know how to make people laugh, and you have to go on stage and make people laugh every night, that's your job. And you have to try hard,

or there's some sort of pain involved. Fuck. That'd be hell. See, that was me the last few shows that I did in Brazil. I felt heavy. Heavy. Like everyone's watching you. Yeah, I felt the energy energy i still have a very

loyal audience and i'm i love they love me and i love them we still have that connection but i felt exposed i felt exposed and that's when you this is after the baby fuck joke yeah after me becoming a baby fucker but at the time that was funny right when you said it everybody laughed they laugh a lot Yeah, after me becoming a baby fucker. But at the time, that was funny, right? When you said it, everybody laughed. They laugh a lot. But that was not the case, my friend.

If you take this joke out of context and put it in a newspaper, even me, when I read that, I was like, this guy is fucking, it's messed up. The rape joke that I did when I read on a newspaper, I was like, What was the rape joke? Oh, man man do you really want me to go to yeah we referenced it so many times it was bad it was something like uh i was watching on tv and i don't i'm not proud of that okay but i was watching on tv this woman and she was saying that she was raped and uh it was bad it was a very bad experience she was crying but the camera wasn't

showing her face it was just showing her mouth and she has a huge mustache like a huge mustache like a fucking lot of hair and i made this joke about this guy he was he was uh this was this was a kind of a gift because she didn't she wouldn't have another opportunity or something it was it wasn't good but But I did once. I was just testing the joke. Right. I was doing it at 1 o'clock at night in my comedy club. It was like 20 people in the audience.

So you're just fucking around. I was just fucking around. It was what I saw on TV. And so they were waiting for you to do something like that. And it was like this journalist was there, and he was doing a story for The Rolling Stone. Oof. And I was doing, it was a story about me was doing a story for the Rolling Stone. Oof. And I was doing, it was a story about me.

And then the cover, it wasn't in the cover, but the picture on the Rolling Stone was me dressed as Jesus, like bleeding with a crown on my head. And that was, in the text, was this... Rape joke. It was a rape joke. I didn't even write the thing. It was just like talking with the audience right right but when that

that was taken out of context it was hard for me to explain to them okay this is was me fucking around with like 20 people right

the people couldn't see the difference between me doing and it wasn't a good joke at all it's not something that I'm proud of but when you're on stage

and you're testing, sometimes just shit comes up. Right. And I was testing boundaries as well. I think it was my duty to test some stuff. Yeah. There's things that you say where you're not thinking them out because you're ad-libbing in the moment and they come out

and even you disagree with them as you're saying them. Yeah, of course. But this is part of the process of creating material, especially if there's 20 people in the crowd it's late at night like you do things just to see you go down doors you open doors of course you don't know what's in there and sometimes you'll say something and then you'll have the fucking perfect line and it comes out of nowhere and the only way you find out is if you take a chance doing it yeah that's why i think it's unfair and i was having

a discussion with two great big comedians about the louis set that he did like recently yeah and i i think he already talked about this but uh the guy was testing stuff yeah so how can you judge if the work is not done it's not even close. He probably, maybe it did that bit once before, if that, you know? And the judgment was like, oh, he has to address what happened with him. I'm pretty sure he will, but not on that set. Maybe he didn't address on that set. That's not his special. Right.

When he has his special, that's when he framed the thing. Okay, that's my work. But if he's just testing stuff you cannot judge by that well the problem is now everybody wants to judge everything he does they want to find him and watch him and so now he has to institute this cell phone policy at all the comedy clubs he works out where you have to take your phone and put it in a bag so that no one can get a hold of it it's just uh it's a real problem he's got a real problem and uh it's also a real problem for creating comedy because if people don't understand that this is what comedy is about that comedy is

about improvisation and then boiling it down to what's good and then figuring out what's the best way to express an idea because sometimes you have an idea and you know there's something there but you don't know how to say it so you just take a chance on one way and then you go oh that's offensive that's disgusting but there's got to be a way to do it let me find a better way yeah of course yeah there's many bits that i did um like uh not my last special but the special before where when i first started them they were not doing well at all they were not doing well at all i had to figure out a way to make them funny why did you insist on them? Because I knew there was something there.

There was something. I knew there was something there. For instance, I had this one bit on women and inventions and that women don't invent a lot of things. And it took a long time for me to figure out how to do that. And the best way to do that was to talk about all the great things about women first. best way to do that was to talk about all the great things about women first so i just had i had to talk about you know like the concept that women are supposed to work that we should that women are supposed to work as well as raise children which is fucking crazy because raising children i'm not saying that every woman should raise children and that they shouldn't have a career but if you if you think that it's easy to raise children you're out of your fucking mind

it's one of the most difficult things in the world they just have the patience you're dealing with these little people you have to teach them things you have to you have to give them love and constant attention and it's very very time consuming it's difficult and these women are making people in their fucking bodies it's the most incredible thing that anyone has ever created humans you make you make humans in your body. I mean, that's insane. And I would go through this whole thing. And then I'd say, so, ladies, I love you.

I think you're amazing. But let's be honest, you don't invent a lot of shit. And then I got into this whole thing about women inventions. And then I just talked about all the great inventions that women make. Okay, you set up differently. It's the same thing. But I had to figure out how to do it. It took a while to figure out how to do it where the women thought that women make. Okay, you set up differently. But I had to figure out how to do it. It took a while to figure out how to do it where the women thought it was funny.

Where I gave them enough honest, legitimate credit and said funny things about them that are positive first. So then they feel free to laugh at you making fun of them. I'm not a dick. I just have a point that women don't invent a lot of shit. That's funny. And then I also had to say I don't invent anything. I just have a point that women don't invent a lot of shit. That's funny. And then I also had to say I don't invent anything. I had to get really clear about that. Let's be clear.

We're not talking about us. I go, look, I'm a fucking moron. I've never invented shit. And I'm guessing you're probably pretty dumb too, which is why you're here listening to me talk. I was like, we're not talking about us. We're talking about inventors. It's funny, bro. And so I was trying to remove people from the tribal male versus female dynamic just to talk about the fact that in history, there have not been relatively a lot of women inventors.

Got it. And so then they fell. Yeah, then they laughed. Then it was funny. It was like it worked out great. It was my closing bit. It's the same thing with the joke that translated from Portuguese to English. And I didn't have any problem doing this in Portuguese because you don't have that much talking about race and stuff.

It was not that one, the N-word. But it was a joke that I used to do that I was like, I saw this guy with a T-shirt written 100% black because he was proud of his race. I pointed to the palm of his hand and said 99%. He smiled and said 98%. That was the joke that I was doing. And I did this joke here. I just translated.

It's like this literal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is a case of joke that I translate. It works. Yeah. Because it's well-written, has a good punchline. It's everything.

But people felt very uncomfortable. Who? Not the black people. The people that sit around the black guy. That was, I thought it was funny. Because it wasn't him. He was like laughing. Also, do you think it's funny?

Because all of those people, they didn't feel that they were entitled to laugh around you. Oh, right, right, right. So it was like this kind of, it was uncomfortable. Right. But when I set up as, you know what, you talk about race too much. And we don't have that in Brazil. So sometimes there's some misunderstandings with me. I don't. So when I put myself in that position, then it's just a mistake.

It's not racist. It's just that I don't speak English. That's easy. That's when I get a – yeah, that's when I'm free to do the same thing that you did. You set up in a different way. Well, that's a really interesting angle, too, that really only someone from another country can pursue. This angle that you have the america is a different culture than you're used to so there's probably so many differences oh yeah there's a lot

of differences fucking kardashians i don't know how you guys squash that shit it's just like we don't either it's like four chicks fucking hanging around and we are like and they're so silly there's nothing to it the celebrity thing here and fucking that's that's amazing do you have instagram celebrities and youtube celebrities in brazil like that same kind of thing yeah we do have yeah we do have a lot of them and people playing video games and kids my kid watch people playing video games right yeah it's the same thing it's huge over here yeah i know people make millions of dollars playing video games it's crazy

like parents tell their kids don't be a loser play video games but like wait a minute what are you talking about these kids are making

millions of dollars what is a loser you work all fucking year for 50 grand and this guy is making 500,000 dollars a week

playing YouTube yeah playing fucking videos on YouTube and Twitter it's fucking crazy and YouTube gives give't it crazy? Twitter. It's fucking crazy. And YouTube gives you much more money

than it does in Brazil. But we have the same speech of like, I have this YouTube channel called Ilha de Barbados in Brazil and we are having a lot of problems

with we are getting not monetizing our videos. It's the same thing. Oh, yeah. We are suffering to the same problems that you have. Well, they don't know exactly what

to do because advertisers are very wary about certain content and so they have these deals with these advertisers and so they're trying to suppress content because they don't want to minimize they don't want to lose revenue so what they're trying to do is make advertisers happy but then the content creators feel like they're being censored and they are being censored but they have to understand what's happening here like this this all this stuff costs money do you get some of your videos all the time yeah all the time man that's yeah they get demonetized they get demonetized if we talk about specific subjects all subjects as well yep yep not even showing images just talking about the subjects just subjects and we've talked about them and we've complained about it a little.

But basically, I mean, Jamie, we kind of take this attitude, it's nothing we can do. We just kind of keep on trucking. You just keep doing it. Yeah, because you're building much more than just, yeah, that money is not your main. I mean, it's something, it's money. It could be thousands of dollars for each one that they don't monetize. But that's not how I – I don't think about it that way.

I think about it like, well, what's important? What's important is just say what's on your mind and whatever. I mean, I'm not going to change just so that I get more YouTube ad money. That would ruin whatever I'm doing. So I think they're going to work it out in a better way eventually but there's also a thing called uh youtube red and with youtube red even if things get demonetized the people that are paying for youtube see you pay for youtube red so you never get any advertisements and the you still like if you get a certain amount of people that are

i think 50 of our revenue comes from YouTube Red. 50%? Roughly, yeah. It varies from video to video. It's just a time-watched kind of cumulative thing. Yeah. So there's a lot of people are saying, look, I'd rather pay X amount of dollars per month and don't put any ads on. So I think we're moving towards that sort of model.

But I understand the process as well. There's brands. brands yeah and they're paying the bills you know what google is not a it's not free it's not free it's all all of it is expensive and they're trying to make money too so like the only reason for them to allow someone like you or i to put a video up is they want to be able to profit from it so i mean they're not providing a service just because they're they're good people they're trying to make money yeah but the thing which is it is easier for us is that our revenue comes from shows and we can do a lot of different stuff but there's people that actually get their money from youtube yes and that's the one that are getting hurt well in the united states the real issue is uh speakers. Because all these tech companies, whether it's YouTube or Facebook or what have you, they all lean left. They're all very left-wing.

So right-wing people feel like they get censored off of all these platforms before other ones. Maybe less on Facebook, right? Because Facebook, they actually make money off of people paying attention to shit. So the more people argue about stuff, probably the more eyes they get. The money that they get, the most of their money is people paying Facebook to promote their content. Yeah. It's not like... Yeah, and Facebook doesn't...

You don't make money off of Facebook, right? Is there anybody making money off of Facebook blog posts or... Yeah. Yeah? Yeah, there is people... There is monetizing videos right now. Yeah, for sure. Videos, right. It's very recent. But not like writing. Like say if you wrote an essay on Facebook. blog posts or yeah yeah yeah there is people there's monetizing videos right now yeah videos videos right it's very recent but not like writing like say if you wrote an essay on facebook yeah

they wouldn't pay for that specifically right but that's where like there's a lot of uh a lot of people like to comment on things and argue about things and so if you have something controversial on facebook there's probably value in that because you're gonna get more eyeballs right there's a lot of value in controversy it's just like what kind of controversy so for youtube the big thing is uh they like if you have like uh well specifically twitter twitter's been they've had big issues with it instagram not so much with conservative people right you don't hear that as much i don't think so no it's more of a twitter youtube thing and it's conservatives feel like they're being pushed up because almost overwhelmingly all the tech companies are liberal they're all very left-wing and very pro gay rights trans rights rights. Like, there's an example of this one woman who's a feminist who said that a woman is not a man, or a man is not a woman. So, like, a trans woman.

Okay, perfect. Used to be a man and turned into a woman. Her take is a man is never a woman. Okay. And so they told her, you've got to remove this. She removed it and then apparently took a screenshot of it and posted it up again she's like okay i'll delete that and she took a screenshot and then posted again like fuck you okay and so then they banned her for life and now she's suing that woman megan what is her name um i forget her yeah i got it right here because someone just sent me something

sam harris just sent me something about it today um her name is uh uh megan murphy so she's a feminist and she's just like look you can't just become a woman fuck off no and so they're like you're banned for life and then everybody's like well you're crazy you can't ban her she's got an opinion how come she can't have that opinion like if that's a biological opinion i mean it might be controversial it might be rude it might be insensitive but it's the same process joe is the same thing that i lived in brazil it's like if the sponsor doesn't want you to say that how can you argue i don't think that's a sponsor issue because this is twitter because i don't think that's a sponsor issue i think this is a left-wing corporation oh do you think it's just about okay they've decided to censor certain type of speech that they think

is offensive and she was apparently saying it to the person who was a trans person. Like, a man is never a woman. And by saying that to the trans person, they're saying that it was like targeted harassment. But don't you think that at the end of the process, it is about money? Because do you think Twitter cared that much? I saw the Twitter guy here.

For me, it didn't look like he cared about much about the speech side of things because they're companies so they they have to pay their bills and they have to bring sponsors and even brands are more left-sided here in this country so because that's where it's sensitive right because that's where you can you can get boycotted i think there's definitely something to what you're saying there but i think also well, well, yeah, if you're the CEO of a major corporation like Twitter or something like that, you're responsible to your stockholders. You're responsible to all the people that work on the board. If you want to stay CEO, you've got to continue to make more and more money every year.

You've got to bring more people to the platform, make the platform more popular, make more money. And in their eyes, the way to do that and to maximize that is to limit harassment limit things so these are our social decisions but they're also business strategies there's two different things together at the same time yeah so it's uh it's fucking complex it's tricky yeah and they don't know what the fuck they're doing this is uncharted territory i know there's never been a thing like twitter before there's never been a thing like facebook before we're complete uncharted territory in 2019 but it's amazing man it is amazing to see uh people like you and me creating our own channels we are our own nbcs oh yeah so we don't have to depend on that that much you just you feel free that's when creativity comes up that's when people are start to be creative that's when new stuff that's

so it becomes a threat as well well when you stop and think about the sheer impact like what what was the number that our channel got in terms of minutes watched what was that number looked uh for shit for the year for last year it was 16.1 billion minutes watched. That's more than every human on the planet watching a minute. Think of that. Isn't it crazy? It's way more. That's more than double every human on the planet watching for a minute.

Wow, fuck, man. Yeah, I guess you have some fans. But it's not even that. It's just the impact. The impact of that is insane. Negative and positive, pro and con, all of it, the whole thing. It's like the amount of content that gets put out there and the amount of interactions and the amount of debate that comes from that content.

It's just, it doesn't make any sense. And for me, the only thing I could do is just walk away. I don't't know what the fuck's going on i just throw it out there and get the fuck away from it you don't read anything you don't read shit i couldn't you don't no you get caught up in all of it you get you would get caught up in the negative or maybe even worse caught up in the positive oh yeah people kiss your ass you start believing it so i just put i try to be humble and if there's an overwhelming negative reaction i hear about it and then i try to be humble. And if there's an overwhelming negative reaction, I hear about it. And then I try to adjust and address it and respect. I'm in this unique position where I do have this weird sort of platform.

I saw you talking about that you thought that you weren't that informed to do the Twitter guy. Yeah, that's why I brought Tim Pool in. Tim is a good friend as well. I met him in Brazil. He went there to friend as well. I met him in Brazil. He went there to cover our protests. Oh, really? Yeah. No, he's a legitimate, investigative, independent journalist and a real honorable guy and honest and intelligent and well-informed.

So I knew he was the perfect guy. And we're going to do some other things, he and I. We've got something that's going to blow people away when that happens. That's good, man. He sent me a message yesterday Oh I saw that you're going on a run I was like yeah Yeah I can't talk about it right now

But we got something cooking Do you have time to do those things bro? I have time to do some things You don't have time Focus on your kids man I do Well they're in school right now See the thing is

All this happens while they're in school And then comedy happens while they're asleep So have it down to a science You do Yeah so what it is Is they're in school right now See the thing is All this happens While they're in school And then comedy happens While they're asleep So have it down to a science You do Yeah so what it is Is they go to school Okay

I get up with them Either I take them to school Or my wife takes them to school And then I go Either work out Either I do yoga Or lift weights Or jujitsu

Or whatever in the morning Then I come here I'm done in the afternoon Then I hang out with them Until it's time to eat We eat dinner. And then after dinner, they go to bed. They go to bed like 8 o'clock.

I don't do a set until 10. So I leave the house after that. And then I can go there. My wife is happy to get rid of me. I go to the comedy store, hang out. So it works. I got it down to a science. Nice.

That's the life that I wanted. Unfortunately, my wife left me because. Well, you were talking about that. If you want to talk about that. I do. I don't care. It's okay. Because it's kind of a crazy story. I actually say this on stages on my Netflix special.

Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. And my wife left me for a cult. She joined a cult. It was crazy. It was, bro. It was, man. But it's like one of those self-help cults, right? Yes. But it is a cult. It was crazy. It was, bro. It was, man.

But it's like one of those self-help cults, right? Yes. But it is a cult. There's a lot of cults. It's very dangerous when one person starts telling another person how you must live your life. Yes. These are the principles. This is what you have to do.

You have to leave your family. You have to quit your job. You have to change the way you dress. You have to change the way you talk. you have to do this and do that. When someone tells you that and they get a mass group of people to do things like that, it becomes very dangerous. Sometimes it's not that direct. Right.

Sometimes it's just like, okay, what was difficult is that her cult was teaching her that you got to love everybody the same which is awesome if you think about it jesus did that i think was the only one who did that right jesus was the only one who was like i don't care i'm not gonna have kids right i'm gonna date this prostitute over here and that's okay that was his life and uh for uh my uh when she she got when you learn that you have to love everybody the same, why are you going to focus on just one man in a marriage, and you have to go home, and you kind of live your life to yourself? Or maybe she didn't love me anymore, and I'm fucking blaming the cult.

Or maybe that would be that. That's what happened. Well, some people are very easily influenced you know that that is a real a real issue and i worry about that sometimes when i talk to people because like some people say hey man they'll say hey you changed my life i'm like listen motherfucker i didn't change shit you changed your life i go i don't even know you i did not change your life don't listen to me all i'm doing is talking to a bunch of people all these people have something to offer everyone has something to offer but it's not me i'm an antenna okay i'm i'm i'm i mean if i'm saying something that resonates with you and it helps you i'm very

happy but don't listen to me like i know everything i think it's awesome that you do that but you because you know the power that these have and how you could actually influence, be influenced in their lives in a bad way. You have to be very careful of people that do tell you that they have the answers and they are the one and they're the smart ones. And you need to listen to them because those people are fucking dangerous because they can get you to do things that are irreversible. They can get you to leave your family. They can get you to, you know, to join this fucking commune and give up all your worldly belongings then you realize years later they're fucking crazy like that wild wild country documentary that we were talking about that's crazy these they didn't realize i mean these people were hollywood fucking executives and

producers millionaires people that look like on paper they have their life in order and they want to go and wear the red clothes and the beads and and and be a part of this fucking movement people need a reason to live people need explanation for things that they cannot explain yeah and when there's someone that have no things that they know the answers they can they can lie because it's easy it's not gonna have someone that is going to say if it's true or not. Yeah. That's also the danger of a platform. And that's a danger of something like even this podcast.

The danger of any platform. Anytime we have one person that's talking in front of a microphone and everyone else is listening, it's a weird position to be in. And you hear this person through your earphones or through your computer screen and you start thinking that they're making sense and that they're right. Because there's no one to counter what they're saying in front of them. There's no one with opposing opinions. There's no one. And they can get wrapped up in this position of being a leader as well. People get intoxicated by being a leader.

I've seen it with people that just teach martial arts A lot of martial arts classes turn into very cult-like places I noticed that especially before the UFC came around Because everyone really legitimately believed that their martial arts instructor could kill everyone on the planet Everyone really believed that in the 80s and the 90s Royce teaching them that it was not true hoist crazy changed the fucking world he really did he changed the whole world and he changed our perception of what martial arts are and what's effective and what's not

but before that i mean i grew up in a taekwondo school which was very disciplined and everything everyone was sir like uh you would call everyone Mr. Smith or, you know, Mr. O'Malley, everyone, Mr. Kim. Yes, sir. If someone said something to me, I would always say, yes, sir. Yes, sir. And it was always bowing. It was very strict and very disciplined. And I came from a very good school, but I was around a lot of schools that weren't good. I saw a lot of very cult-like behavior there was a lot of men who would take advantage sexually of their students and they would you know they would do weird shit to their students and they would almost like running a little sex cult you're talking about

your instructors no karate schools okay kung fu schools that's crazy we all knew about that and some of them wound up going to jail. I knew guys that went to jail. They went to jail for rape. Yeah. And there was people that like they were in these positions of power where their students looked at them like a god and they took advantage of it. And this is the same thing. It's the same thing as what we're talking about here. When one person has too much power and influence in a platform,

one of the beautiful things about jiu-jitsu is its informality. Like my instructor, John Jacques Machado, he's the friendliest, nicest guy. He's a world champion. I mean, he's super respected by all, but when you meet him, he's like, hey, how are you? It's all hugs and claps. And he doesn't ever pretend to be any any roles with everybody it trains with everyone so it's like the informality

and the brothership and camaraderie and the family environment that is fostered by brazilian jiu-jitsu is very unique in martial arts and that i think is very important because the respect comes from their their ability and from leading by example. It doesn't come from some fake position of being some master of the death touch and some all-knowing person at the top of the mountain. We all thought our instructor could kill everyone on the planet. We really did. And when the UFC came along, for a lot of people, that was just a bucket of cold water thrown in your face. Like, whoa, that little skinny guy just choked out all those big giant people like what the fuck man

so and they were doing that for a long time in brazil like in beaches and going to houses and going to gyms and just kicking people's faces i don't care yeah i mean look they changed what martial arts are they really did they boiled it down to what's most effective. And they took ground fighting and they turned it into this perfect sort of blend of leverage and technique and knowledge and repetition and training. And they just revolutionized joint manipulation and strangling people. They revolutionized it. They changed it into a totally different thing. There was always submissions in judo.

There was always catch wrestling, which had had a lot of great submissions that are still to this day. But to put it all together like Elio did and Carlos and all the Gracie clan, I mean, what Brazil did for martial arts is probably one of the single most significant things that's happened in the thousands of years of people fighting each other. Pretty amazing, man. That's crazy, man. Yeah, pretty amazing.

But at the same time, there was those guys on Shuchu Box just fucking beating the shit out of each other. Kicking the shit out of each other. There was an article that I read recently where Vanderlei was talking about he's having difficulty now because he's had so many wars. He fought for so many years.

Then he went to some sort of conference on concussions and CTE, and he had 13 of the 15 symptoms. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And he was talking about how he forgets things. He's impulsive. All these different symptoms he had

and then the very next thing he said is but I want to fight Vitor Belfort he's like fuck it Wanderlei is crazy he went to my talk show and he's crazy

he decided not to go like two minutes before he goes and he changed his mind and he's sweet but at the same time he's right wing now he was just he not to go like two minutes before he goes and he changed his mind and he's sweet. But at the same time, he's right wing. Now he was just, he tried to go, he became a politician. Really?

He went to be elected, but nobody voted on him. People just liked him. People didn't want him to see on like Congress or something. That's good. Brazil gets it. Because in America, it's dangerous. No, it happens in Brazil too. Does it?

Of course. Do you have celebrities that run for office? Celebrities, of course. One of our most famous congressmen was a Big Brother. Oh, no. I was a Big Brother. That Big Brother show is so ridiculous. It is.

That's the worst way to become a celebrity. One of the most watched shows in Brazil. That's crazy. I don't think people watch that much here do they i don't know anymore i think so for sure well the crazy thing was amarosa amarosa who was one of the big she was a big staff she was a white house apprentice yeah before that she was on fear factor i when i was the host i didn't know i had a fucking altercation with her on fear factor not a bad one but she accused me of being drunk.

She was like, because I was asking her questions. I was like, that doesn't make sense. She goes, Joe, you're drunk. I'm like, I'm not drunk. You can't just say I'm drunk. It's ridiculous. She was on Fear Factor before The Apprentice? No, she was on something else first, before The Apprentice.

I think that was it. Was she on The Apprentice and then Fear Factor? Come on. Was Fear Factor before The Apprentice? Same time. The Apprentice before the apprentice same time i'm pretty sure she got famous for being on the apprentice she was on like the second season maybe uh yeah why did i think she was on another show first and then the apprentice she went to another reality show after the apprentice i don't know who i remember that yeah well the crazy thing is she went from the White House to Big Brother. She was actually on the first season of The Apprentice.

Oh, what year was that? So she was on Celebrity Fear Factor. We had a- 2003, 2004. 2003. Okay, so she must have been on Fear Factor like 2005. She's nice though. She's just-

But she told me I was drunk i was like what she wasn't elected right she wasn't no no no she was appointed by trump but trump gave so here's what's fucked up here's what's really i was reading an article about the what the problems with what she did when she was in the situation room and these secured white house rooms she had her fucking phone recording so she's sitting there recording shit in the middle of these these like totally secure rooms she's recording like trump is talking she's got her phone there hmm interesting and she's recording everything on her fucking phone so she has like hours and hours of footage of record uh recordings rather which you're not supposed to do it's like you could literally russians and chinese and the iranians and all the anybody that wants to tune in could hack into her fucking phone turn the

microphone on and this is absolute proven technology and they're using that to listen in the middle of the situation room so if there's some sort of top secret shit that's going on some foreign entity could be listening in through her phone while she's recording i don't think they're so ignorant i don't think they need all of that they just call trump and ask what happened he'll tell you what happened like okay yeah but i mean he's he allowed her this you know i don't know if she's unstable, but she seems a little unstable. That's such a very dangerous thing to do. You're not even supposed to bring your fucking phone in those rooms.

And for her to be recording, recording everything. That's crazy. So crazy. It is, right? But it's so selfish, too. Like, if you are acting in the best, you're in a position when you're working for the White House, you're working for Donald Trump. He's the president of the United States, the biggest superpower in the fucking world.

And you're just recording things. Like, God, I know that you want to serve yourself. I know you want to help yourself out. But God, that seems so crazy. I mean, if you were Trump and you hired her and you found out she was recording everything in the situation room you must be like

oh like in conferences with like like they're talking about important policy and she's got a phone recording and anybody can be

listening but if you think about it like it's crazy for him to to give her some some credibility

yeah because she was an apprentice but then you think about it okay the president of the United States Yeah. Because she was an apprentice. He liked her. But then you think about it. Okay, the president of the United States is a guy that was running apprentice. So I don't think that's... He liked her.

Maybe he does. He felt like, well, look, she's very articulate. She's a good looking woman. She knows how to speak well. She's got a lot of confidence and power. He probably figured she'd be a great politician. Perfect. I'm a great politician.

He's probably like, I'm the fucking president. I'll make her... She's going to be my left-hand lady or right-hand lady it is not that difficult at least in brazil is not that difficult for famous people to get elected in the one day we're running for a congressman because there's so many options that if you're known and you get like one percent of the voting you're already elected but if you go run for like a mayor or like a governor or something, it becomes a little tricky because there's like five options. And now you're running against real politicians. They'll actually have a plan.

Yeah. So if you're running against like 200 people, you can shine a little because you're famous. Yeah. We're starting to see a little bit more of that in America. Like Cynthia Nixon, she was on sex in the city and then she ran for which she ran for governor new york right oh yeah for yeah so there's there's a few of that few that are starting to branch off into politics now it's i don't i mean did it happen before ronald reagan because he was like he was a famous actor he's the most famous

he i think he he was a movie star he was a a bang, bang, right? Yeah, he was the first guy. He's like that joke in Back to the Future. You mean like Ronald Reagan, the movie star? Yeah. Yeah, that was the first. He was also the first that introduced the option or his cabinet was the first. They got the people, his team got the people from the religious right involved. Religion was not really a big part of voting before Ronald Reagan, but Ronald Reagan and though that sort of Kind of Republican they got all these evangelical Christians and evangelicals. Okay. Yeah, and the same thing Brazil

Yeah, so what is going on with Brazil now with your president? Yeah There's a huge connection between politics and the church right now the evangelicals and it wasn't that way before it was a little bit it was always something because Brazil is a very evangelical country right

I don't know if you ever watched like you were watching in the middle of the night and you turn on your TV and there's this guy talking that he was like oh there's a demon

that is running over my soul and there's like those TV shows yeah called Stop Suffering yeah Pare de Sofrir it's more like running over my soul and there's like those tv shows yeah called stop suffering yeah it's more like for those domestic audiences this church is everywhere so it is like joel olstein in america i don't know what he's doing he's a big time evangelical christian he sells out these giant arenas like 50 000 people come to see him. Yes, yes. But it's very, it's huge in Brazil.

And they have like, I don't know, 40% of the people is evangelical in Brazil. I don't have the numbers right now, but the religion is something huge over there. So it was something, that's why we didn't evolve in a lot of different discussions. Like talking about abortion is not legal in Brazil. Not legal at all. Not legal at all. Wow. Just if you're raped.

Just if you're raped or if your kid has like a deformity, then you can have an abortion. If the woman's life is threatened by the birth. Yes. That's the only cases. Wow. And that discussion was never, never happened because everybody's religious. If you do like, how do you say when you go public and you ask something to the people,

like, do you have this here? It's just like, you have a kind of a test. We have this in Brazil. I don't know. How do you say this in English? A test.

Yeah. It's just a test. Are you against abortion or a poll a poll poll okay like an opinion poll yes my second language so sometimes there's miss a word or two yeah i'm gonna say that's my only language so if we do a poll in brazil people will be against abortion against the legalization of abortion and against drugs like selling drugs and everything what about morning after pill now it is you can take that you can't I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know you I bought some so I didn't in, so it's okay. I think though, I don't know. I don't know. But you can, abortion is not legal in Brazil.

So we are not having that discussion because now the president is connected to the church. Our ex-president called Lula, he's in jail right now. He's in jail. He was in jail. He was involved in a huge corruption scandal. And he was like our hope because he was a poor guy. So he was a government that actually helped the poor in Brazil. What happened with him?

He was involved. He had connections with different companies and different industries was giving him money. And they have this thing called Caixa 2. It's when you're doing a campaign, you need to say how much money you're getting from all those different brands and everything else. So there's this thing called Caixa 2, which is you get money, you spend the money. There's never went on any banks or anything like that.

So it's kind of you hide that money that what had that happens a lot in brazil i don't know how to say this in english but it's something that you hide the money that you're getting for a company but if you get elected you kind of forgive them favors right you help them to get like uh involved in a construct in a huge construction they're going to build a stadium, then you help them somehow. Right. That was what happened in Brazil.

So he's in jail now, huh? He's in jail. And then he elected a woman in Brazil and she was impeached. Oh. And now we have this right-wing guy called Bolsonaro. He's our new president and a very right-wing and connected to the army and connected to the church. So there's a lot of discussions and abortion and drugs and everything that we are not going to have. Is he popular?

He is. He's huge. Is he popular and also like hated? It is a lot as well. Yeah. Of course. The left hate the guy. Yeah.

The things that he said, he was kind of crazy, but people loved him. And how long has he been the president for? He's going to be for four years. He was just elected. He started in January. Oh, okay. He just started. And we don't know what this is going to lead us.

But the thing is, at the same time, he's more liberal. Because the left in Brazil, all this talk about freedom of speech and everything else was in our left was running the country now we got this guy and He is more liberal and even talking about the way he's gonna run the country the economy and politics and speech and everything else So there's a little hope in their area as well So it's kind of tricky because it's danger in one area and it's kind of a hope in another one i wish i was saying this in portuguese it would be so much easier yeah you don't even imagine i can understand because it's like i'm playing thinking well listen brother um let's do

a show together my friend anytime listen i'm doing a lot of shows at the improv in the comedy store i'll have you on one of those thank you my friend my friend. I want to see you do stand-up, man. I would love to do a show with you, man. That's cool. Of course. And I just want to say thank you for everything you've done for stand-up in Brazil. I think that's amazing. Thanks to you, bro.

And thanks for doing this, my brother. Thank you, man. Thank you very, very much, brother. All right. Thank you. We'll talk soon. Bye.