The Joe Rogan Experience - #1249 - Donnell Rawlings

Episode Date: February 19, 2019

Donnell Rawlings is a stand up comedian, actor, and podcaster. He's known best for his roles on Chappelle's Show and The Wire.

oh shit i think fall off those pieces of shit yeah they get too fancy yeah whatever this one we got another one well i already said go whoops sorry uh cheers sir thank you my pleasure my pleasure don't know we were talking about uh the different kinds of comedians that there really are. Like meme comedians, they're comedians. They have a special skill set. It's a different thing. They have a special skill set.

In fact, one of my closest friends, Bearded Humor, he's like, I would say if he was a stand-up comic, If he was a stand-up comic, he would probably be in my top five in terms of creativity, in terms of talking about things in the moment and just all out funny. You know, the skill set for stand-up now, it used to be, I started 25 years ago, it used to be the only way you proved yourself as a person with any type of comedic integrity while I was on stage standing flat-footed in front of an audience that you probably don't want you to be funny or have no idea you're going to be funny. But these mean people in Photoshop, especially because our attention is so quick and so drawn to social media, I don't even know if people are as excited about stand-up as they used to be,

and now it's excited about what's going to be the newest thing, what's going to be the hottest photo, the Photoshop excited about what's going to be the newest thing what's going to be the what's going to be the hottest photo the photoshop what's gonna be the hottest image well that's the easiest to get right it's easier to get it on your phone you get those images the photoshops and the memes that are funny that hit you immediately but i think right now i mean especially when you go to the store don't you think there's like more people interested in stand-up now than ever yeah but it's so it's so, we're in a tricky place now. People are interested in it, but people are so, they're more critical of stand-up now

more than ever. There used to be a time when you could just say what you wanted, and people would say that person was outspoken, outrageous, but they were themselves. They were themselves. But now you tell one joke, one blogger, one troller, dissects your jokes and prints your jokes. Don't do the setup. Don't do the callback. Don't do the tag.

And next thing you know, you offended somebody. Yeah. But I think with a lot of events that are happening now, comedy is going to start taking a shift back to people with honest voices i think so too i think there's a direct backlash to like political correct thinking and the the type of uh policing that you're seeing you see you've been police i mean you i understand police and stuff in the catholic church police police and stuff in the Catholic church, police and stuff in a regular church, but you go to a comedy club to police, you're in the wrong place. And nine times out of 10, people that go to a comedy show, they'll walk out and protest. Their mindset was to protest before they even went there. They're just waiting for the trigger word, just like, well, I never, and they'll leave.

Well, it's a way to get a lot of attention. You know, being outraged at something, especially if you of have a point like if you could you could articulate that point right it's a great way to get attention with the people that the trollers and the people that yeah i mean there's a there's a giant market for that like if you think of like uh if you're a comic and you're a famous comic and you're outspoken you know and someone could take your bit and and take it apart like they've done with chapelle many times right but chapelle owns it so much he owns it i was just with him and you i've never seen a guy that flips our sets over like he's just writing another five minute bit that's weird right but the thing but the thing is now i've watched some of his new stuff and things he's doing now he's going to

lead the charge for comedians having a voice i did a show with him at the store recently and at the end of it he said comedians now more than ever you need to grab your balls because it's our job to talk about the things that are bad in this world yeah and we are the best people for it well it's the last line of free speech it's the last real line of free speech because you don't have a real boss right like when you go on stage it's no one's no one gives you a single word of direction right you know that's that's a very unusual place to be in in terms of entertainment and something that reaches especially with someone like dave millions and millions and millions of people every time he does a netflix special every

time somebody he does anything that's filmed it's going to hit millions of people. They have no one telling you what to do. No one. No one giving you any input. And then when they try to tell you what to do, you resisted and you do what you want to do. He's a real comic. He's a real comic. But you have that. I've been following you for a while.

I've been a comedy store for years. I'm always in the cut. And I've seen you do some material like, how the fuck does he get away with this? I know how, because he fucking owns it. I really believe what I'm saying in a lot of ways. Like in other things, it's obvious that I don't really believe it, but I'm saying it because I think it's funny. You know what I think comedy is for us? As much as people are like, oh, I need that.

I think for comedians, it's therapeutic for us too. Yeah, it's 100%. Can you imagine a situation? You have an argument with your wife or somebody, and you can't go on stage that night just to talk about how pissed off she made you. Yeah. That's our outlet. Yeah. So as much as people get stuff out of us, when you come to a show, we get now our psychiatric exam right on the spot.

Yeah. Also, you could complain about some shit right you can complain about someone saying something or something how or you could turn it into a bit and you can get hundreds of people just dying laughing all right i've had some i had some conflicts online one of them with a bunch of vegans they conflict so you entertain somebody you try to be you're like i don't got time for that i'm not going to entertain but every once in a while You just want to Punch a troll in the face

Just hit him with a couple I would read the comments That was the problem Occasionally you read the comments Like holy shit Like people just want you dead Because You know

Anyway I had this whole thing In my act about Chasing down the hashtag Vegan cat Right Somebody wrote some mean shit to me And this hashtag

Vegan cat I was like What the fuck is that I went there And there's a whole community Of people Feeding their cats vegetables cat right somebody wrote some mean shit to me and this hashtag vegan cat i was like what the fuck is that i went there and there's a whole community of people feeding their cats vegetables and but but in in doing this and like tracking this down and chase and like it makes you realize like okay i gotta write a bit about this because i could just get mad it's easy it writes itself it writes itself i could just get mad and be upset that someone's being mean to me or turn this shit into fuel or you could just go fuck and just destroy the whole vegan community there's nothing

it's not the v it's nothing wrong with vegans it's just the same shit as every other group i don't really know too many vegans that aren't assholes bro i know some vegans that aren't assholes i don't know rich roll he's a great guy my friend joseph he's a great guy neil brennan he's a vegan he's an asshole he's a little bit of an asshole. Oh, man. Neil Brennan is a motherfucking prick. What are you talking about? He's so funny, man. He's so funny. You can tell when people are turning to ass, when the asshole is embodying them.

Yeah. Especially people with glasses, because they have like a million different frames. Ooh. That's when you're at the next level of being an asshole, when you switch your glasses up. But Neil Brennan is a vegan. He's one of those. I don't think vegans should be allowed to go to a barbecue.

And complain. And complain. They all come to a fucking barbecue. They got their patties. They're upset if you've been cooking meat on a grill that was designed to cook dead animals. And they get upset.

So all vegans are assholes. I'm sorry. It's not all of them. But I see what you're saying. All the ones that I know. And then because when they make their transition they can't just become vegans. They gotta let you know I'm vegan now.

They can't wait till you say dinner. Is it vegan options? It's vegan vegan vegan they just can't do it they got to make an announcement they gotta let everybody know that i'm a vegan now and i'm an asshole they think they're saving the world yep and the worst is a vegan that always gets colds yo whenever i see neil britton coughing whenever i see him call i say so how's that vegan life going you fucking flu having ass motherfucker i always say that's ian edwards i'm like dude you look tired you look exhausted

i take pictures of ian every time we fly together and he falls asleep i take pictures of me and just sit there i'm like look at me and motherfucking protein get some goddamn b12 in your diet get a steak in your motherfucking diet he said he would eat, but he would only eat elk that I killed. He said he would eat some elk meat, so I'm going to cook him some elk meat. We should film it. He'll probably bounce around like a super person. He's been eating nothing but lentils for the last 20 years. Elk.

Where does one go to even shoot an elk? Utah. Colorado has a lot of them. There's some of them in California. How do you transport? Is there a loss? Can you transport your kill or you have to break it down wherever you kill it? You have to have, first of all, you have a tag.

And then when you have a tag, you're allowed to get a certain kind of animal. So say if it's like you you have a buck deer tag that means you can kill a male deer and then once you kill it then you break it down and you either bring it to a butcher shop and they turn it into cuts for you or you could do it yourself and wrap it up but you have to have a tag you have to register that you killed that animal and you have to keep that that that with you that paperwork with you so if you transport the the meat across state lines and some game warden pulled you over and said you have a deer in your car and you yes sir do sir he's got to see that you have the paperwork

for it i don't want to sound um racist at all but i don't know a black person that could tell that story that you just told about killing butchering up yeah transporting a dead animal yeah that's what you have to do that's how you do it you got to put them on ice i mean you have to you have an obligation to try to save the meat you know when you uh have an animal and it's down you want to get it into like a packaged form as quick as possible you want to break it down sometimes Very interesting. Dude, sometimes people hang things. They hang things in their garage in the cold. Too soon.

You mentioned the word hanging. All I think about is Jesse Sommelier. Sommelier. Oh, my God. Talk about setting a whole bunch of people back in one interview. Crazy story. Interesting. Such a mess.

It's a mess. It's a mess, and I think what's really awful about it, because his story, it was like good and bad of it. The good of it was when people thought that he was violated and he was a victim of a hate crime, it wasn't just gay people

that was rushing to support him. It was like thug dudes. You know what I'm saying? It was like some real motherfuck people that was rushing to support him. It was like thug dudes. You know what I'm saying? It was like some real motherfuckers. I mean, I saw Exhibit make a comment. It was a community of people away from the LBG community that thought it was really fucked up. And that was the beauty of the incident because it kind of brought people together. But the thing about it, it was just a lie.

And it's so fucking unfortunate. It's so unfortunate somebody would play on people's emotions for or to benefit themselves. It's awful. Well, there's a certain narcissism that exists in show business that i think you and i both know very well you know we've all seen it and thankfully the people that seem to be the best for whatever reason they have the some of the best handles on it like dave doesn't show any of that right but there's some people that do and that narcissism is weird that that wanting it to be all about them, and they'll do sneaky shit like fake an attack.

Like that's a symptom of that same kind of thinking. It just got desperate and went in some crazy way. It was all for some reason because you have people like when I first went down, you had people that normally, people that you would look at, okay, that's my friend or whoever. You started having side eyes, and that's just's just it's just it's so messed up and i think also it's messed up as much as people rode for him when they thought that it was an injustice or anything nobody's really talking about it nobody's addressing it like you know

this is our movement these are things that we're trying to progress toward but this was an isolated incident and just say how awful it was yeah you. You know, the beautiful thing is that people are way more tolerant than they ever have been before. The also beautiful thing is attack didn't happen, right? So we don't have to think of one more atrocious thing that people have done to another person for no reason. Right. So that's good.

And it's also good that you get to see where that kind of stuff heads, where you're always looking to be a victim to the point where you realize there's like some sort of currency in being a victim. So people fake being a being a victim right so they can get all this fucking attention it's good for us it's good for us to see because you see that now next time a story comes around that's just a little fishy you're gonna second guess it exactly it's like the boy cry wolf and that's what's unfortunate about it because anytime someone says that they were a victim of such heinous crime like thatous crime like that, you want to believe them.

You want to believe them the minute they say it. But with this incident, it makes you start second-guessing the thing. And that's another thing that was awful about the whole thing. And all the smoke he's getting right now that he deserved, because I've been tearing his ass up on Instagram. Yeah. On everything. He deserves every bit of it. He knows he deserves it.

Everybody knows he deserves it everybody knows he deserves it i read i read a story once about this dude who said that he punished his daughter by making her sit in the backyard by a tree and then he went out there an hour later and she was gone and he suspected that coyotes got her and i remember thinking that story going man that just does not sound real that does not sound real it just seems weird yeah you this guy left a baby in the backyard and coyotes got it like really was like a new like a like a not not walking or anything like it well he left the baby like to punish the baby like a two-year-old left it in the yard well it turns out he really didn't do that the kid died and he he'd stuffed it in some drainage ditch somewhere so this I don't remember how the kid died and what was the reason for it but it was

one of those stories where you hear the story like, Jesus, this doesn't sound real. Sometimes stories don't sound real. Yeah. The next thing, we're going to be second guessing everything. Well, I hope not. But when it first went down, I thought it was a situation where Lee Daniels and Jesse sat down in a writer's room and Lee Daniels was like, anybody got any ideas for any new episodes? And Jesse was like, I got one. Nobody's going to believe it. Look, I'm going to be

hungry as shit, right? I'm going to go to Subway to get a 12-inch footlong. And Lee Daniels was like, I believe that. I believe that part. And then he went through the whole story and Lee Daniels said to him, nobody's going to believe it. Jesse got upset and told Lee Daniels, we'll see.

I'm going to shoot it myself. And he walked himself into that whole scenario. And it's just awful. That's entirely possible. That's what it sounds like. It sounds like it. Now anybody that was a fan of Empire, which I know a lot of people that's listening were, being very sarcastic when I say that,

they're going to be like second-guessing the storyline of so many of those shows, the storylines of everybody who ever said that they were done wrong or anything. The awful thing about this is now people are going to be ready and quick to just second-guess anything that you say. Yeah, that's a fact. Until we can read each other's minds Until we can find out for sure That's going to change the whole game Being able to read somebody's mind Yeah That's definitely going to eliminate

A lot of street fights Most of them I mean you talk about Your imminent danger senses Are going to be 100% If you can read somebody's mind Yeah Yeah

I don't know if I would want to do that I do I like having secrets I'm all in I like having secrets too But I like going all. I'm all in. I like having secrets too, but I like going all in. I think all in. I think it's just inevitable. We were talking about it in the last podcast about there's something they're going to be able to shoot into your neck.

What did he say? The way he described it? Like an injection that will take over, sort of. Well, the way it interacts with your brain cells. Thread. Yeah, thread itself into your brain cells. The way it interacts with your brain cells. Thread.

Yeah, thread itself into your brain cells. So literally like having, I think we're going to have built-in Wi-Fi internet systems where we're connected to each other's heads. So this is what people request. It's like a study they're going to try out on people. Or you can just go to your doctor and say, shoot me with the brain shit. I think eventually it's going to be shoot me with the brain shit. First, you've got to get it on a clinical trial. First, you've got to be able to be a big. Well, who do you get for that?

Like, heroin addicts and crackheads. Who do you get for that? Like, who is close to no brain cells and shit? And that's the one we tried on. What was that movie? There was a movie where a dude got shot and they put some chip in his back. Upgrade. Upgrade.

Yeah. And it did that to him. It turned to be like, he had access to all the information. He knew martial arts. He knew how to move And everything was happening Like he was basically Like a super computer Inside of a person

That could do everything Artificial intelligence Is right down the line Dude they're talking About this shit Shooting it into your brain We're gonna share a network We're all gonna be

On a network Well there's gonna be A lot of white people Joining that effort Because black people Don't fuck with needles, bro. We don't do none of that. Unless it's heroin, we don't take out needles like that, bro.

I'm telling you. I know you say that, but how many athletes are on steroids? Yeah, but that's a different animal. I'm talking about the average black dude. I know. That's true. Brooklyn Brownsville or Watts or something like that. Yo, I got this new brain shit we ejected through a needle.

They're going to fuck you up. They don't want to hear that shit. That's hilarious. And that's probably true. I mean, how many people are going to try that? Who's going to be the earliest adopter of getting a shot in your neck that lets you read everybody's mind? And then what are you going to do with it? It's an interesting thing. It's going to

fuck our job up, man. Because half of what we do is say shocking shit that people know is kind of true, but you can't believe you're saying it. And then you'll have people in the audience like, oh, not the old winter subway joke coming up. If you could do that, that'd be the ultimate fucking joke hater right there. Oh, yeah. Two guys walking to bar. You don't got anything other than that? No, I think I'll have to pass on that.

Keep it raw. Yeah, it's going to be weird. When would you get it? Would you want to be the first comedian to have it? No. You almost want to be a fool who doesn't have it. If you want to be a comedian, yeah, yeah. I want to watch other motherfuckers do it first.

Yeah. I'll sit in the back. But the problem is they're going to fucking take over finances instantly. As soon as they upload their brand, they're like, I'm just going to get all this money. I'm going to figure out a way to get all this fucking money and then by the time you shoot it into your head they've already got the system locked down but see that's you have different level of people that you hang out with because your level your level be like how we'll get the money but my level be like yo we got this brain shit how we gonna get some ass off of this

dog you can get it you'll be more clever read a broad mind you get all the ass you want all of it yeah you would know but then it wouldn't be fun. Like half the fun is not knowing if somebody likes you. Right. You don't know what's going to happen here. Is this going to work out? How was that movie with Mel Gibson where he could read women's minds, what women want? And they remade it right now.

It's coming out. Really? I've seen the billboard. That's hilarious. Taraji Henson and Tracy Morgan. That's hilarious. Tracy Morgan. I had a conversation with Mel Gibson the other day on the phone. It was one of the weirdest

things in my life. I'm just happy to know I have friends that can say that. See, you have a lot of sentences my friends can't use. Yeah, you know how you kill them. You know how you kill an elk?

All right, here's the difference between a buck and so-and-so. You got to trigger it one time. And then it's like, oh, it accounts, yeah, so I'm on the phone with Mel Gibson the other day. I was on the phone with Ray Ray the it accounts, yeah, so, I'm on the phone with Mel Gibson the other day.

I was on the phone with Ray Ray the other day. Well, I'd rather be on the phone with Ray Ray. More interesting. But it's not bad to talk to Mel Gibson.

It's just, it's like, okay. He's a regular, he's a dude. He's a guy. He's Mel Gibson. He's Mel Gibson. But you're like,

fucking for real? Like, you're talking to him and you're like, for real? Is it a real conversation with Mel Gibson? Yeah, that would be very interesting.

And I've never run into him. He's a super nice guy. He did a podcast to talk about the stem cell doctor that helped his dad. Oh, yeah? He came on for Dr. Neil Reardon. He's this guy in Dallas that treats people down in Panama. He's got this radical stem cell therapy that you can't get in America. And it fixed.

Mel Gibson's dad was 92 92 and he was in a wheelchair and now he's 100 and he's walking around what's the issue with stem cell situation in america because i don't hear too much the last time and i'm not probably as knowledge as you are but wasn't um christopher reeves trying to um promote more stem cell research i'm sure he was yeah he had that spinal cord injury from a horse accident. He was doing those horse jumps. Yeah.

South Park thing, remember? I don't remember. South Park, they're eating dead babies to get the stem cells. As soon as you said South Park, I was like, this is going to take a bad turn.

Take a bad turn. Yeah, yeah. Remember that episode about rape on South Park. They don't give a fuck. They are the best. They give a shit about it. They're also pushing the boundaries.

I'm tilted. They're the ones out there that are promoting ridiculous, preposterous comedy that's completely offensive but brilliant. That's one of the things that when we were doing the Chappelle show, One of the things I appreciate more than anything about that show was how it brought people of all races, all backgrounds together to do the thing that we all should have in common, and that's to laugh. And also to not push the button but touch on racial stuff without having an angry undertone. And that's what's so fucked up about America now. Whenever you talk about race, it feels like one side, somebody has to be tense. You know what I'm saying? It's never like a comfortable state.

It's never like, and I know things are intense, but we have to be able to laugh first. Once you get people to laugh, you can talk about whatever you want. And then even if a person is not in agreement or have the same thoughts at the end of the day you should be able to respect that person and i think those same people should be able to share laugh yeah and there was a a fun silly non-aggressive quality to the way you guys put together sketches that got the point across and everybody laughed everybody laughed when i joke to this to this day when i travel i do my audiences it's interesting of course, you would think I'm going to draw a certain audience because I'm black, which I am and I do. But it's weird.

I can go to places and it's straight up like Dave called them the muddy boot motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? Like the muddy boot motherfuckers. The muddy boots, they got John Deere. Right. You know what I'm saying? They know all that elk shit you talking about. You know, them John Deeres know all that Elk shit you talking about You know Them John Deeres

Know all that shit John Deeres They probably call her right now And say no Joe I think you got that wrong You gotta cut the heart From the inside You know you gotta go

Left to right You know what I'm saying And I notice I have those people And then I have Hood people But it's just It's just when you can look out

And this is what that show did When you can look out in the audience And you say You have all of America there. It was the best sketch comedy show in the history of television, I think. I think In Living Color is very, very, very overlooked. People forget how goddamn groundbreaking. And groundbreaking.

And both of them, wherever I go, people always bring it up. It was a big point in my career. they always bring it up. It was a big point in my career. But I was like, I don't know if it happens every 10 years, every 15 years, it comes a time where the audience wants something different.

They take the shit watered down. Yeah. Same way when in Living Color, same way when Def Comedy Jam came out. You know, you didn't see a lot of black stand-ups on TV, but they had this underground circuit that was bubbling,

that was bubbling, and it was the right time, when they pulled out, it was the right time. that was bubbling and it was it was the right time when they pulled out the right time and living color comes around it's the right time yeah the day chapelle show comes around it's the right time the richard parr show even though that only lasted three or four episodes it was the right time and it caught on at the right time yeah um in terms of like groundbreaking sketch comedy shows though like that that that kkk bit where he had the uh the let me tell you something do you understand in the history of sketch nobody has premiered a sketch show and came off so hardcore the first night as hard as it comes when they ended that shit when we asked why

why after all these years it was like because she's a nigger lover I was like that was one of them that was one of the joints I'm like wake up everybody no more sleeping in bed

I knew from that moment that this show was going to be on the next level of shows well was he was free it was it was so many when we did funny thing a lot of things i used to do i was a warm-up comedian for a chapelle show so whenever you saw a chapelle show episode and if you notice that whenever I came on screen, and I'm not being cocky, people would go nuts. They'd be like, oh, shit. And the reason was because I was the guy that warned the audience before Dave came out.

Oh, okay. So I knew if I go gut the room out at the beginning, people don't even, nobody knew who I was or anything. If I ripped that at the beginning and then when they see me on the screen, it's going to be big. Of course, yeah. And that show, man, it was just a lot of things happened on that show. Like the Rick James sketch.

The day we played that during the wraparounds, man, that shit hit so hard. I was like, this shit is fucking retarded. Crazy. The funny thing people don't know is that Comedy Central did not like that sketch. Comedy Central, here's the funny. Comedy Central didn't like the sketch, and Comedy Central didn't think Charlie Murphy was funny in it. And I watched, we ran that shit sick just to let you know the direction people think i watched that shit six times and every time man every time you heard

dave say i'm rick james bitch it was gut son it was gut son yo what did the five figures say to the face wow where's the last time you had a sketch was getting kids suspended in school right people was going to school to their teachers what the five fingers they say i'm rick james bitch all right time you suspended for a week you and dave chapelle go to the fucking timeout room is one of the most iconic sketches of all time how wrong was comedy central i mean not just a little wrong a lot along all the way wrong all the way wrong like almost like suicidal it was like but then it goes to show like it goes to show you know how you have a vision with something you see it yeah everybody

may not see it well that's the problem with working with executives too right it's like their vision is different than your vision they like to shape you in a certain way and you know and i know dave ran into problems with them wanting them to change language so they could get more sponsors. Yeah, I think that that was an issue. And to be quite honest, I don't know exactly what happened. Everything is speculation. You never talked to him about it?

Never talked to him about it because the reason why I never talked to him about it is because I didn't need to talk to him about it you know what i'm saying um that show was great for me it was a great great platform for me and then i it was more important my friendship and how he felt away from that was more important than so why'd you leave right where'd you go you know first time i saw him like as long as you okay because it's gonna be scary for anybody one of your closest friends somebody you work with all of a sudden just goes to another country you don't hear from them you know yeah but when i first saw him after that like i was excited and i was just like you know whatever it was we had a

moment we made history and people go on people go on to do other things and just keep it moving but that show was really people always say Donnell if it wasn't for the Chappelle show this and that Chappelle show

gave me a platform for people to see what I've been doing for years and you know you see talents in the club now you see a muffler

that's good as shit good as shit but will they get the right platform for the world to see them you know what I'm saying and that's kind of separate. You see one person go from one level

to the next level. Who has the right platform to showcase their talent? And that show did that for me. And with that said, I gave that show everything. Every time I had a second on camera, every time,

like if you look at two and a half years on that show, if you had an editor break down how many times I spoke, it would probably be a total of four minutes. I'll get a word here. I get a phrase here. But I told myself, whenever they turn that motherfucking camera, I'm going for it. Like, even if I'm not talking, I'm going to make my body so expressive that your eyeball draws to. I'm going to make my body so expressive that your eyeball draws to.

I remember Neil told me one time, he said, because I always get a mic because I'll come up with a line or something to throw in. And we were doing a Rick James sketch and I didn't have a mic. I was like, yo, sound. And Neil said, you're not going to get a mic, bro. I said, I might. I was like, I might say something. He was like, you're not going to say anything. I was like, fuck.

So I told myself, when he smacks this motherfucker, because if you look at that scene, when he smacks him, I said, what the fuck? I was like a Washington Square Park mime. I pushed that. I said, what the fuck? I made my face. He didn't give me a mic, but I said, what the fuck i made my face he didn't give me a mic but i said what the fuck with my face and i always as people always ask about a show and every young actors and stuff like that you talk to me what do you need to do i was like with anything the best thing to do is figure out a way to get on a set you You get on a set, you do background, you learn.

You get opportunities. You got to be around it. You got to get a skill set. But when it's time to show up, you got to show up. You have to show up. Motherfuckers talk a lot. I want to do this out there. And then when they say action, motherfuckers ain't ready to show up.

And every time motherfuckers say action in a situation,'t ready to show up And every time Motherfuckers say Action in any situation You gotta show up Well you have a A great ability To express yourself On stage And on On TV Some people feel uncomfortable

They just like to be cool While they're telling the jokes Right Like some people have that style Like your style is big You know I appreciate You know

You ever see Jim Brewer Yeah I saw Jim Brewer Like the first time I saw him We were really ever see Jim Brewer? Yeah. I saw Jim Brewer, like, the first time I saw him, we were really young. Young Jim Brewer? Yeah, we were really young. And my manager, Jason Steinberg, says what's up, too. Oh, tell him I said what's up. No doubt.

When I first saw Brewer, he's so physical. And I remember thinking. Yeah. I remember thinking. You get tired watching him. I know. I remember Jim Brewer, like, Boston Comedy Club days. Yes, yes.

I mean, that's why when you mentioned his name, I was like, which Jim Brewer are we speaking of? Our dad Jim Brewer. I mean, even today, our dad Jim Brewer today, I mean, he's still real energetic. But I'm telling you, when I tell you, I saw him in his super prime. He was a murderer. And he destroyed shit. Destroyed.

Like, shut the, like, who's going to do anything after that? You know? Who? Dude, I ate shit following him once. One of the worst bombings of my entire career. Jim? I was headlining and Jim was middling. We were working together.

We did four. And you know, middling is a prime spot to fuck somebody up. Prime spot. That's a prime spot. 2025? We had a good MC, too. So the MC was like like got the crowd really popping and the middle came on and jim just ripped the place apart right he ripped it apart and i was

scared i had a blown out acl at the time and i was wearing cavaricci's i was wearing like sexy pants oh shit like if you try i don't even think of that thought i'm like too much information pause with these stupid pants that people wore in the 80s, man. They were tied to the top and they flared out a little on the legs. Like MC Hammer pants? Almost, like a little bit. They were pathetic. I can't believe I ever owned them, but they were in style.

I don't even believe I have that. That's what I have that image of me. Yeah, look at that, bro. Seriously. You're not shooting no elk in them, motherfucker. No, you're not. I think mine were probably jeans. That's awful.

The jeans ones like that. Like, see the far left and the blue? Right there. Bam. Yeah, mine's like those. That's awful, bro. Terrible. That's awful.

How can I wear those and have a straight face? And then I had some nice dress-up shirt on, and I just ate plates of shit. But it made me rethink my whole act. Yeah? Because it was such a humiliating bombing. Because I knew that the audience was right. i wasn't being funny i was nervous think about it those are the moments that make you a hundred percent and like now i i see a comedy like i go to some clubs motherfuckers trying to do the lineup kind of soft like well we can't put that person in front of that person because they won't be able to follow it, blah, blah, blah.

But it should be a point like when I started, like, the baddest motherfuckers in the game, they went on stage. Yeah. And if you was a new jack coming up, how are you going to have a defining moment in comedy? You got to go behind somebody. Anybody can do it. If you got a hot room, everybody's doing good. But put that shit behind where you got a motherfucker like a Bill Burr comes in the room. Yeah. And just goes and fucks it up.

What are you going to do? Flatlines it. You got to stand up? Yeah. I did a tour with him, Bill, and it's so interesting because I know they have one of those podcasts where the theme is, have you ever had to come behind a destroyer? I forget the podcast that does it, but Chris D'Elia was- If you ever had to come behind- A story of coming behind someone that just demolished-

Oh, going on after them. Okay, yeah. I think Chris D'Elia, I saw Chris D'Elia do it once. He said me in it. But when we were doing Chappelle's show, after Chappelle's show, after the second year of Chappelle's show, we weren't really making a lot of money on Chappelle's show

because the show still hadn't been proven. You know how something, if you got a contract, you got a contract. That's it. It just so happened the show blew up before the contract was over but that don't mean nobody's going to renegotiate so we had this popularity but we wasn't making money and um i came up with the idea of doing a tour called i'm rich bitch tour and at the time at the time, Charlie was like, anywhere he goes. At the time, Bill Burr was a headliner probably at the time in B-Rooms. You know what I'm saying?

And there's no disrespect to him. But he was on the come up. But when you saw Bill, you knew this motherfucker was going to be next. You knew he was going to pop it. But we still wasn't getting no cash. Charlie had never told jokes. And I was like, how the fuck you around all these comedians you've never been on stage? So I used to bully him.

You know he tough ass motherfucker, rest in peace. But I was like, yeah, you so tough motherfucker, but not with a microphone in your hand. And I bullied him so much that he finally went on stage and Charlie, the tour was Charlie with MC. And all we needed him to do was 10 or 15 minutes. At the time, me and Charlie, outside of Dave, were two popular people on the show. Bill Burr had a couple of sketches, but Bill Burr didn't pop off of the show. And I was like, but if we're going to do this, let's have a fire show.

You know what I mean? We could put somebody weak in the middle. I said, let's give them a show that they won't ever forget. And Charlie used to come out out to 10 or 15 minutes and i tell people they always like who's the toughest person to follow but charlie would go out to 10 15 minutes and bill burr would come out do 20 to 25 and then i came behind bill not one night for a year a year. And Bill Burr is the type of act, you have no days off. You have no, any of that, any little inkling of being off, you're just going to hear, yeah, I like the show, but the white dude was funny as a motherfucker, you know. And you could tell at that time that Bill Burr was going to be a start, whether it would have been movies or television.

But as a stand-up, he was one of the pound for pound, one of the dopest to do it. And that tour went on for a fucking year. We had a blast. Yeah, Bill's brilliant. I got to work with Charlie for, we did this Maxim tour. We did like 22 dates, me and him and John Heffron. We traveled all over the place. Was it when Charlie was starting to do it, or was he starting to do it was he kind of like two years in he was two years in at the time and you know people joe people understand how tough it is to start as a comedian as a famous person as a as

a comedian that you're basically your oprah miker just selling out all across the country yeah yeah and not only that but you you're Eddie Murphy's brother. Yeah. So you got to fight past all of that shit creating your own identity. You know what I'm saying? Like, I cannot imagine, like, the heat he probably had. Yeah, but he ain't Eddie Murphy. Right.

He ain't Eddie Murphy. And that's one of the things that when Charlie passed that I really appreciated about what the Chappelle Show did for him. Because when he passed away, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died. Everybody was like, Charlie Murphy's passed away. So he had his true identity, and that was Charlie Murphy. Yeah, and that was one of his bits. Does it piss you off when people yell, Charlie Murphy? He goes, no, I'm just happy they're not calling me Eddie Murphy's brother anymore.

That's funny. I remember that. At that time, that was a joke that addressed it and yes and he and and he found himself he got better yeah he got better and then he carved his own lane he called his he carved his own lane dude i was with uh maury smith used to be the ufc heavyweight champion and uh ivan salivari was a guy who fought in the middleweight division of the UFC and a couple other professional fighters at a table with Charlie Murphy. And Charlie was explaining how none of these motherfuckers know how to do a Chicago ridge hand.

He was talking about some karate shit. Oh, he was big on the karate shit. But it's like Charlie Murphy's holding court, standing up. All these UFC fighters are standing back. And Charlie Murphy's talking about ridge hand. And he knew he knew exactly what he's talking about right yeah he knew how to fight for sure and I had he had he never knew martial arts man he knew he was um he was big into it years ago he used to be um Eddie's bodyguard when Eddie was like right at the height of his stuff but um Charlie was like martial arts but everything that he said it was the truth

you know you you didn't feel like all this dude is lying everything he said it was true and one of the most genuine people you want to meet man yeah just a dope guy yeah his karate lineage like he has some sort of a connection to some of my friends i'd have to ask them but he was like a legit martial artist too i saw one video of him in a martial arts contest and and it was i don't know what i don't know i always tell i was like yo you knocked a 14 year old right i don't know how he i don't know if it was a weight or whatever it was and i was like yo that was a fucking kid you just knocked out he was like yo anybody in the ring could fucking get it but he was yo he was why are they putting kids in with him i don't

know he never i saw the video he never wanted me to talk about it whatever i used to bust his balls about it all the time i could tell being around him that he legitimately knew how to fight yeah the way he carries himself yeah he just had that that scowl he just looks like that but he was one of the nicest guys man he was so fun to be around like in not knowing him at all and then traveling with him for 22 days we had so much fun man oh man the stories all just laughing and silly and super friendly and and all he wanted to do was man just have a have a good time yeah and laugh yeah that's all he wanted to do and talk shit and talk shit to me all the time and was so happy to be able to do stand-up.

That was a big thing for him, you know, that he could do stand-up and travel around. I always tell him, I tell him all the time, I say, I birthed your career, dude. He did. Like, I bullied him into this shit. He did. That's hilarious. But he did it. But you could tell, you could tell, and I've been around him and I've been around his family,

and you could tell when he was growing up He was the guy That always Had the center of attention Yeah You could just tell that Yeah you could tell He knows how to hold a story Yes he does

That was a hard one man When he passed I was like I didn't know he was sick I had no idea You know it's interesting That you say that Because

I had to continue to Do shows Do radio interviews and stuff And the thing that people kept saying was He was so young He was so young And he was young But

I don't believe that We're all going to Live to be 80 90 100 You know Only thing we all guarantee when we're born,

we have our born date, we have that dash in the middle, and then we have the end. And it comes down to what the fuck do you do with your dash? How hard did you live? What did you go for? What inspired you? What motivated you?

What did you do with that dash? Who the fuck gives a fuck about living to 100 and you don't have a passport you haven't been outside of your block you haven't been out you have never been on an airplane what are you doing with your life and i know charlie from the point of being in the navy to uh being with his brother seeing his brother reach a certain height of success being interested about it interested in the business, but kind of in there, but never really made your mark. And then you get a platform that you become and get your identity and shit. That's the dopest shit. It's one of the best kind of success stories because it doesn't happen automatically.

It's that Frank Sinatra, and I did it my way. And it's like people say what they want to say but he put the work in that i remember when um i think the movie eddie did called norbit right and it came from a joke charlie had the start of that movie and i guess i think him and eddie was talking whatever and then you know how oh that could be blah blah blah it could be a movie and motherfucker Charlie called me and said

yo man I think I got this movie deal I said what you about to do he said I'm about to go lock myself in a hotel for 30 days and write this

motherfucker movie they already gave me the money you know what I'm saying I'm talking about I'm not talking about somebody I've been writing this movie

for six months or whatever it's like I'm about to about somebody, I've been writing this movie for six months or whatever. It's like I'm about to go block everything off and write this shit. And no matter what anybody wanted to say about how good the movie was, what the critics say, anybody in this business, if you can do something where it goes from a thought and it goes to the paper and you can execute it. How many motherfuckers can do that? They don't do that. People talk shit all the motherfucking time. But then you say, how many of you got in the can? Yo, I write movies. Give me a script.

Oh, hold on, hold on. I'm almost, I'm 30 pages in. You know what I'm saying? I'm 30. How many times have you heard that story? Yeah, well, there's a lot of that going on. I got a great idea. All right, what is it?

I remember I was, this was when Chappelle's show was popping, and Ludacris gave me a lesson out of nowhere. I saw him in the airport, and I was on Ashy Larry hard. I was a rich bitch, man, so I'm like looking at rappers like, we're even, right? So Ludacris comes to the airport. I was like, yo, Luda! Right?

He said, what's up, Ashley? I said, yo, can the motherfucker get in a movie or something? Because I just thought that's what you do. You just ask a motherfucker to get in a movie. I'm like, can a motherfucker get in a movie or something? And he looked at me, Joe. It was so cold. He looked at me right in my face.

He said, we're looking for people with ideas. And I looked at him like, well, I have none. Right? So I guess this is this conversation and it did and what i'm telling you it was a lesson how the fuck you gonna ask for somebody for something and you don't got shit to give them well there's a lot of guys in the beginning think that's how you do it that's how he did when i was on hbo's the wires motherfucker told me one time he said yo, yo, D, can you

give me the number to The Wire? I think I could do that shit. This motherfucker thought that there was a hotline from anybody from the streets. You ever thought about being an actor? You don't want to put those 10 years of getting rejected? Just call this number, and we'll put you on The Wire. You know what gets me about acting, though, is when someone who's never acted before goes in there and kills it. You know?

Like, people who are, like, athletes in particular, like, rappers have done it. Like, a lot of people have done it. But some people. Singers. But some people, I believe that you have natural talents. Yeah. I think some people have natural talents. That person, like, you have a person that's's trained, you have people that just are natural.

And if you think about it, acting is just playing make-believe. It is just playing make-believe. Who can play make-believe better? Is it a person that for 12 years they've been studying and they went to this school? Or is it a motherfucker that got that one story, that one character that they can nail? Right. Or is it a case of there's some people that'll do stop stand-up comedy for 30 years and they're never going to be that funny or dave could do

it for a year and and kill you like chappelle yeah oh yeah he could kill but he's got that dude is but you know what i'm saying like there's some people that there's but he's just a whole different animal and the reason why i say that, you're a great comic. I consider myself a great comic. I consider you a great comic. I appreciate it. And with that said, we do have egos. As much as people talk about somebody, in your mind, you're like, I'm great too, motherfucker.

And one day I was watching Dave on stage, and I'm like, what makes this motherfucker great? And I think, in my opinion, what makes him great is like, it's not too often that we have an opportunity to have a Muhammad Ali moment. And when I say that, I mean a moment where you got to throw everything on the table. It's your integrity, your moral beliefs. What do I want to stand on? What do I want to stand for? And that's how some people get attached to you. Of course, Muhammad Ali was the greatest, but it wasn't just in the boxing ring what made him great. It's what he stood for. And I think when I look at Dave Chappelle and I look at his stand-up and I look at his career and I say, what made him great? And's and that's a person just standing a belief is

going to give you their unfiltered truth and they own it and don't compromise and don't back down to anything well he understands what's important about stand-up especially the type of stand-up that he does he has your voice full freedom yep that's how you you I've heard you say shit on stage I'm like that white boy must can fight certain white dudes you like this what the fuck just happened son like

that motherfucker got some suplex or something you know he know how to hit you like you know like in a certain part of your neck

and your whole shit is fucked up you know but those are people Tony I was telling Tony Hinchcliffe

yeah yeah yeah he was doing this joke about uh what's the card motherfucker the um pedophile dude oh jared from subway not jared for subway he's got a joke no he got another other pedophile motherfucker another one who's the other pedophile he's a big actor big time actor he had a netflix show oh oh oh uh spacey kevin's whack off at the bar dude kevin spacey yeah man tony oh my god that bit is Big actor, big time actor. He had a Netflix show. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Spacey, Kevin Spacey. The whack off at the bar dude. Kevin Spacey.

Yeah, man, Tony, watch this. Oh my God, that bit is crazy. Man, that bit, and you know what, for me, that bit is so dope. I'm like this, I'm about to throw up. Yeah. I'm like, it's like this, he won't stop. Yes, he won't stop. He owns it.

He's owning it. And I told him, and it was just, like I said, I don't know if it's a movement, but I felt like I was recruiting him for a gang right now. Yeah. I saw him in the hallway. I was like, yeah, me and Dave Chappelle was just talking about the brand of comedy that you have. Don't lose it. You know what I'm saying? Like, stay true to it.

Because as much as people fucking with us, they don't want you to say this, they don't want you to say that, Again, it's a handful of motherfuckers that's going to stay to their truth, and they're going to be rewarded for that shit because the other shit is just bullshit, man. How the fuck is somebody going to tell you what you think is funny as a comedian? And you don't even know if you think it's funny while you're doing it on stage. You're trying to make it funny.

So there's a lot of stuff that people hear. Maybe they only hear it once. But you know it's funny's funny you know it's funny you just don't know where the funny is sometimes you don't know what the rhythm of it because yeah i know you i don't know what your writing process is but what's yours mine is like it's a it's regular conversation like i i have conversations with friends all day it's talking about about pop, I mean, topical stuff. And it's like, you know, people with sense of humor is like, you see the funniest side of anything.

Like the Jesse Smiley, it's just Bill Cosby, Smollett, whatever the fuck it is. Whatever it is. All that shit. You think something funny. So I've never tried to sit down like,

I'm gonna write this perfect joke. It's usually something that comes in a casual conversation. And it's those moments, you know, you talk to somebody, you'd be like, oh, that's funny. Usually that's where i start my writing yeah if something connects with me like that and i just go and and and believe in it and just force that shit to work yeah once you

get on that stage with that idea and you're you're in that moment and you have just like remember you know everybody understands the first time you're trying a new bit. That's one of the weirdest moments ever. Everybody don't take the chance. That's one thing I say about you. The times I've watched you that I call them pussy comics. You know, motherfuckers just do a set like, yo, I'm going to fuck somebody after this shit. Right.

I'm just going to stand outside and hear good set, good set, good set. Then you got the motherfuckers like, no, that was a thought from last week. I got some more shit to talk about. I got some more shit. And you push those boundaries. A and you and you push those push those boundaries a lot of people don't do that shit you have to it's part of the business i can't respect them robot motherfuckers dem robot motherfuckers talk to me yo dem motherfuckers that could you could go to sleep and you wake up and you can end the sit the fuck out of here. We know it worked, motherfucker. Oh, no. And here comes my closer.

Yo, I'm saving my closer. You really want to test the motherfucking nuts? Open with your punk ass closer, motherfucker. Open with your closer, and we'll see how much strip them other motherfuckers get. Flip that shit up. Them motherfuckers, I call them the broom-psh. Yes. Broom-psh.

Go on. But they got scared, and then they got better. They got an act, and then they got scared again and never got rid of that act. And then they can't stand for the right motherfucker being in the room. Yeah. They can't stand for a motherfucker like this. Oh, that's what you did, bro? Guess what I'm going to do?

I'm going to flip a whole new set on your mother ass. Maybe I won't even do a set. Maybe I'll just build some shit from this one motherfucker right here. Right. Not a riff like your parents so tight, but pull something from him and just turn this into a whole shit. Yeah. And then that hard drive starts coming. Because you know, we got millions of jokes that we never use.

They just get stored on a hard drive. They like this. They like this. People like this. Is that your first time? When did you come up with that? 15 years ago. But the moment was now. Yeah.

You know, it's going to go now. You know? Yeah. And that's it. I'm going to tell you, I've been doing it for 25 years. And after 25 years, I can honestly say, I feel like I get better every year. Me too. I think the same thing. That's somebody that's a pur like i get better every year me too and that's the same

thing that's somebody that's a purist yeah yeah me too and i think that uh in i mean good sets and bad sets when you're working on new stuff but i think overall when i'm done after two years each two years is better than the two years before when i'm ready to film yeah i think that's what it's all about it's man if you're not there, if you're not out there creating the type of material where it's old, like, I'm going to do another special. Who are you doing it for? Here's the tricky part. I'm not on, I might be on Netflix radar, but I don't have a deal with them but I'm going to not by myself but Dave Chappelle

has gave me a verbal commitment that he's going to produce my next special. So with that said I don't have a home

but I'm pretty sure the level I've been operating with my stand-up, you know when you ready. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I just know it, bro. I just know it.

I think the energy that I bring to a special right now and then the energy that he would bring to produce it for me, it would just fucking blow up. And this is not something like i'm not calling dave up every day like dude you gotta do my special every time i work with him

he was like you gotta let me do your special i'm like let's go motherfucker yeah so i feel good about that i don't i don't i'm not saying that i'm eyeing this place i'm eyeing that place first thing i want to do is drop Put an hour Of material That When it plays It can change my life You know what I'm saying Well I've been seeing you

At the store man You're locked in You can tell You can tell You're doing a lot of sets You got a lot Yo I want reps

Yeah That's what's up What do you do bro I can't Fuck I'm gonna stay home For reps Gotta have reps Gotta have reps

Never catch a motherfucker Off guard Yeah I sometimes will do Four sets in a night In LA I did I did, I'm going to stay home for reps. Got to have reps. Got to have reps. Never catch a motherfucker off guard. Yeah. I sometimes will do four sets in a night in LA. I did. I did. And I was so proud of myself. I got six sets in a night in LA.

Wow. And I was so fucking happy because that's a normal night in New York. Yeah. But in LA, you got to plan that shit. Yeah. You got to hit sunset. It's got to be like be like boom i'm out but you feel like you feel like you just can do whatever you want because you know if you're starting off

with something new on that first one you got four more the time of night is over you got that motherfucker yeah it's when you're doing reps the same night too when you hit that third set it's almost like you're in this weird flow state where there's no resistance between you and the ideas the material just comes out so loose and then you know the thing you gotta do is it's one thing to have a joke anybody can not anybody motherfucker can write a joke and that's why you see some motherfuckers you can you just tell that they're a good writer but there's nothing there's no performance of it you know i'm saying there's no performance that brings you back to what I'm saying? There's no performance. That brings me back to Brewer. Right.

Brewer wasn't just like funny writing. He would get physically, stretch his neck out. Man, he would do shit. I can see. Man, I'm telling you, the Boston Comedy Club years ago, Barry Katz ran and owned it at the time. And that was the premier showcase spot. Yeah, it's a great place.

It was running neck and neck with the Comedy Cellar. Comedy Cellar had the longest legs. You know, it's the tortoise and the hare. Comedy Cellar's been there forever. But this spot, and it was Jim Brewer. It was John and a brown boy, Johnny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about.

It was two guys. What is it? And round boy something? Fat Johnny and round boy? Was that it? Yeah, they were the mom shit. Is that how you say it? Yep.

Something like that. And then you had a motherfucker, 17-year-old. The Round Guy? One of them. Fat Johnny and the Round Guy? They're all dads now. Yeah. I forget the name.

That was a time where comedy was on fire. And Jim Brewer would demolish it. Jay Moore used to demolish it. It was a great spot. It was one of those real small clubs. What did that seat? Probably 125, 130. But it was old comedy club vibe, brick wall, tightness.

You know what I'm saying? It reminds you of like- Red Johnny and the Round Guy, right? Is that it? It reminds you of them. Beautiful. It reminds you, yeah. Red Johnny.

Look at Jon Stewart Look at those guys They were on TV They were a team They got on a pants We had on Earth Oh no I thought No no no

Mine were more pathetic You know who I used to follow At the comedy store That also changed my life Martin Lawrence in the 90s People forgot You came by him in the 90s Dude

I used to be the guy Who had to go on after him. Mitzi used to always stick me on after Martin Lawrence. And I know he was an animal then. Let me tell you, the first time I saw Martin Lawrence, and it was kind of maybe interested in comedy. I was in D.C. I was laying up in the bed with this chick. And HBO, HBO.

You know, when it was like. Yo, it was like, yo, it was like, yo, you just had popcorn for cock. Yeah. So Martin Lawrence came out there. They was like, ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Martin Lawrence. And he sees a little black dude, big ass, skinny motherfucker with all this energy. And this motherfucker opened the line. He said, give it up for a brother making money the right way

he said when you making money the right way you can tell your lady shit like shut the fuck up I woke up I was in the bed like

who is this motherfucker right he said he said you can tell your lady shit like shut the fuck up people was like

woo woo woo and then he said and he said after that he said and she'll shut up too He said, you can tell your lady shit like, shut the fuck up. People was like, woo, woo, woo. And then he said, and he said, after that, he said, and she'll shut up too. He said, she'll be like, you so crazy. And like, who has, come on, son. The first sentence, you like, boom. And he ripped that shit. And if you was fucking with that shit, it was like it was everything martin did that was a good time he was going on stage with leather

jumpsuits on and i was going on after him it was devastating well you know you already gonna make it or made it if you're going on with leather jumpsuits and you didn't comedy well it was just people were getting up in droves by the time time I would go on stage, everybody just wanted out of the building. And this is what I say. What year was that? 94. 94. That was when?

That's when specials were really specials. Right. There wasn't that many of them. That's when it was. There wasn't that many of it. You had HBO was it. Yeah, HBO was it. And that was one of those specials where like and that's that's what I'm saying

with the next one I do you never can plan stuff like that but the energy I want to have is the energy he had and that is like this is going to change my life

and that was the energy and that's why you so crazy you could just feel it I can imagine when he was done with that everybody came up like this you know your life

is about to change you know like yeah a Bernie Mac yeah with I ain't scared of you motherfuckers yes

you know the story behind that that's an all time classic do you know the story behind it no the story behind it it was this comic

from DC named Butch Burns Butch Burns was a DC legend right he was a senior guy of all of us in DC Tony Woods and Joe Rector

he was a senior guy. So in Def Jam, nobody really knew what Def Jam was going to be. It was just a new show. So Butch Burns had a set and he didn't do well. He bombed. Like throwing chicken bones. I'm not

saying this because it was a black audience. I'm just saying they was throwing bottles on the stage. They booed the shit out of this dude. Martin couldn't contain the audience. Martin couldn't do anything. It was just one of those things. You ever seen a room that's so fucked up that can't anybody do anything? The only thing you're saying is, okay, just let me go on.

So Butch Burns' career was dead. He's leaving, going off backstage, and he talked to Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac said, listen, hold your head up. He said, the sun's not shining on you today, but it'll shine on you again. Just hold your head up. You'll be all right. And next on deck was Bernie Mac with an audience that was uncontrollable. Martin couldn't do anything.

It was just like this, nigga, you on your own, right? It was one of the moments. And that's where the phrase, I ain't scared of you motherfuckers, came from. That wasn't in his set. It was a real motherfucking comic figuring out what he's going to do in this moment. And he had to kick it.

Let me hear this. Let me hear this. Give me some volume. I ain't coming for no foolishness. No, get it from the beginning. I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. Right out the gate. Rewind it.

Rewind it. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm telling you the history. I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. Rewind it one more time. Okay. All right, stop it. Can you pause for one second?

Now, this is after a motherfucker's career was buried. This is after Bernie Mac, he came on a year before that, and I think he thought he was dressed too old He had like a Steve Harvey suit on So he wanted to appeal to the youth a little bit more That's why he got the graffiti thing And he's backstage saying like This could change my career

Another motherfucker's career is over And this is a real comedian This first line out the motherfucking box I ain't scared of you motherfuckers I'm gonna tell you something Straight off the motherfucking press I ain't coming of you motherfuckers. I'm going to tell you something straight off the motherfucking press. I ain't coming for no foolishness. And New York goddamn it, y'all motherfucking women look good.

Y'all like a bacon and egg sandwich look good. But I love sex. I love it. Can't do shit no more. Look at their face. They bored. And I'm blessed. Let me get it.

Yeah, we got to. I thought we were getting kicked off YouTube if we keep playing it. yeah we gotta I thought we were gonna get kicked off YouTube if we keep playing it oh man but the build up when he first get that when he first do that yeah

you know well you don't understand he called back oh man now you see the emotion of it. Yeah. It was like that.

I guarantee the energy he wanted to have to rip was there. But the story, the back story, it being in that moment. And at the end of the day, who going to be prepared for those moments, yo? Right. Motherfuckers not built for that shit no more. You got to do reps. You got to do reps. They not built for it. They more You gotta do reps You gotta do reps They not built for it

They got a motherfucking excuse for everything You ever go to a motherfucker room And they be talking about How's the crowd Motherfucker fuck the crowd How are you Oh was the crowd lame No

You were lame bruh It ain't their job It's our motherfucking job I thought I was going hard in the paint No I'm just saying It's our fucking job You're right And I've heard you in your podcast

Talking about no excuses And I feel like The. No, I'm just saying it's our fucking job. You're right. And I've heard you in your podcast talk about no excuses. And I feel like the things you say about no excuses, yeah, it's easy to make an excuse. But at the end of the day, it's an excuse. Yeah. You got two excuses. You got a good excuse and you got a bad excuse. Well, you know what? You could have an explanation for failure with no excuse.

What do you mean? We could talk about how you failed and why you failed. Don't have an excuse, but go, I fucked up. I came out. I was flat. I didn't concentrate enough. Yeah, I know what it was. I fucked up.

And don't use it. Like I say. This crowd sucked. That's the wrong way to look at it. That doesn't help you at all. Man, anytime I hear a comedian say, how were they? No, I ain't never seen it. How were you?

Yeah. Because guess what? We don't know what's going to happen, bro. We don't know if that motherfucker in the front row is thinking about a funeral yeah we don't know that but it's our job to like you know kind of going back to what you said earlier in a sense we do we read people's mind through their body you can tell you can watch a show. You can be like, oh, she was so upset because I said that. You can just look at the body. You know the posture.

You know everything. And then we feed off of that. But who's going to be fucking ready for that? And there's so many of these motherfuckers that are talking. And I'm not going off, but it's just, yeah. Yeah. It's just frustrating when you see motherfuckers out here making excuses. Well, it's not good for everybody that's around them.

That's also part of the problem. See, when a guy like you is around me or a guy like Tony Hinchcliffe or people who are just going forward, who live in the comedy life, like you're writing, you're always writing new material, that's empowering. I want to be around you guys. I want to talk. I can't be around them motherfuckers that talk. You know, it's motherfuckers. I've been around motherfuckers that got more bomb material than they got real material yes you know motherfuckers gotta oh don't you do i did my bomb set and they're waiting to just one joke don't work you'll be like oh and then they slide

into their bombing shit they bomb set don't have no bomb material. Who the fuck writes material to bomb it? Yo, in case they throw tomatoes, I got the old tomato bit. My uncle grew tomatoes back. That's why that's not going to hurt me. Go hard or go home. Yeah, it's a ridiculous idea to have a set that you do when the audience is shitty. I mean, you know you got certain shit. If something come your way, you can bounce off.

But I'm talking about these motherfuckers actually write. Yeah. Oh, that's ridiculous. Like, have... In the event that I bomb, it's going to go that way. Fuck that. They have bombing bits. And I just...

Like, I'm a person that just loves doing it. Love getting better. And I tell people all the time, if you liked any of the things that I've done, whether it was HBO's The Wire, Chappelle's show, and other stuff, if you come see me do stand-up, you'll become a complete fan. Because like you said earlier, that's the one thing that we control. We don't have to have an audition for that shit. We don't have to motherfucking get tested for it.

You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, I made it to this test. We don't have to motherfucking get tested for it you know what I'm saying like oh I made it to the test we don't have to fucking we don't have to pitch it and you know it's a good thing

and they say fuck you anyway you can't fuck with us with that it's like that's what we are the executive producer the producer

we the the line producer we everything and you can't do it it's us and a motherfucking mic. And at the end of the day, no matter what success I feel, Joe, we get with this, whatever level, I mean, you're big as shit, you hit it. nothing is going to ever be able to take away from you being a flat mother flat-footed motherfucker that can stand in the audience and you've built your stand-up name enough where

for the most part the rest of your life you'll be able to create a good living off of your name off of doing stand-up in hollywood don't have to call you yeah that's that's big too but if you respect what it is that you have a relationship with those people you have to write for them you have to work on your stuff you have to be diligent you have to be you have to have uh an ethic about it yeah you don't want to rip anybody off you want them to see a great show you want to do your best you want to do your best i feel bad and it's so weird you know how we are i could do it i could do a show, comedy club. It's like 500 people. 498 motherfuckers I'm destroying.

And it's two motherfuckers just not feeling me. And I need to get their undefined attention. It's like I don't even hear the laughter. I'm like, you don't fucking like me. Now let's talk about it. You know who's the worst at that? Nick DiPaolo. Where he'll go at one person?

He gets so mad. At one person. He sees someone like this, and the whole rest of the audience is dying. And someone's giving him the stink eye. He's like, what's your fucking problem? Yeah. You can't. You're just like that.

And you won't stop until that person doesn't have a problem or they leave. Yeah, that's a weird thing, man. It's called undivided attention. You get committed to wanting everybody to love you you can't that's impossible there's also people that will fuck with you for extra attention yeah you know they they want you to look at them with their arms crossed because they need attention they're the the same people that protest shit where it doesn't really necessarily make sense they spend so much time and effort thinking about these things let me tell you something something. It's so funny you said about protests because last couple of years, comedy has been interesting.

There's a lot of people that are fans of Donald Trump, a lot of people that aren't fans of Donald Trump. And I think it's petty for you to be upset with anybody because they chose to vote for whoever they chose to vote for. I think it's stupid as shit. But I will say this past election was interesting in the sense that a lot of people were upset. Black people were upset the last election. Women were upset. Gay people were upset. But white people were really upset.

Like white people were the angriest. And white people did not protest. They voted. Black people was like, black lives matter. White people was like, we'll see about that in the morning. And whenever you hear someone says, we'll see about that in the morning, it's going to be some change.

It's going to be some change. It's going to be some change. But comedy, I don't think comedy should be a place where people exercise anger or be angry. How so? In what way? Like being mad. Like when Donald Trump first um, first got elected, you know, personally,

like it was very interesting. And I've seen a lot of comics. They could just go up there and be like, fuck Donald Trump. And just, ah, right. You know,

you could find a way to say, fuck Donald Trump or anybody, but it doesn't have to be fueled with any anger. Yeah. You don't say it doesn't have to be fueled with any anger. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't have to be fueled like, fuck you, be like this. Fuck him.

Okay, why? Why do you say that? Why do you say fuck him? And then lay out the reason, but I just don't think that people should be angry about how they feel about... I think it's fucked up when politics make people angry. It's contrary to what you were saying was great about Chappelle's show. That the comedy came without being angry.

Right. But it made great points. But even anybody on both sides could laugh at it. Yeah. Yeah. The thing about Trump that's interesting, it's like, the job shouldn't exist. The job of what, president? Yes.

It shouldn't exist the job of what president yes it shouldn't exist it's a ridiculous idea to have 300 million people under the guidance of one that's insane and that one that one wins in a popularity contest that's insane right it's fucking insane it doesn't make sense it was it was a great idea back when there were pilgrims it was a small small colony. And they just came over on a boat. Forget about the rest of this shit. There's just too many humans. Right. So when you let a guy like that try to be president, you're not going to be happy. No one's going to be happy.

Right. But you're not going to be happy if anybody wins. It's untenable. Look at Obama. Obama aged like how many years? In eight years. Yeah. He looked like he aged 20 years.

They all do that. It's like i call it the ted dancing effect once cheers got canceled you was like who the fuck is that yo the first time you saw ted dancing i'm not talking about years after cheers like after a friend you're like god damn he stopped dying his hair yeah yeah yeah man is there something about trump before that that people. He was in a lot of rap lyrics. Man, he was like the ultimate. People would probably still be.

If he was a rapper instead of wrestling right now, it'd be different. He'd still be popular. People rapped about him. They liked that lifestyle. But the thing was, I'll tell you my thoughts. The thing was because you thought you knew a person. You thought you knew him. And even when he got elected, I think a lot. You thought you knew him. And even when he got elected, I think a lot of people thought they knew him.

Right. They thought they knew him. They thought the image, like, you ain't going to be the billion dollar playboy guy forever. But you thought you knew him. But then when you got to know him, you started to think, well, maybe I didn't know him. When you got to see him as president. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. you start to think well maybe i didn't know him when you got to see him as president yeah you get what i'm saying like yeah i don't think and even as and even as much as even how we got elected

people were upset about it but i think a lot of people at some point he was like did you know what maybe all of that shit was just to get elected maybe that energy was to get elected. Maybe that energy was to get elected. And if that was the case, then he mastered it. He mastered how to get connected with his base. He mastered how to get not everybody to fuck with you, but just the right amount of people.

He looked at the numbers. It wasn't about the, it was a popularity contest, but it was also new, like these are the people that got hit. And he figured that out. I think at some point, it was a popularity contest, but it was also new, like, these are the people that got hit. And he figured that out. I think at some point, Joe, people were like, all right, okay, it's over now.

Let's see who you really are. And I think it's so many examples of when you felt like he could have showed people example that he's for everybody. Right. Opposed to just his base. And I think that's what make people frustrated. He gives the impression that, you know, I only care about these people that elected me. You won, right? But you have responsibility to everybody.

And just don't have that feeling. Even on my social media, I don't go hard. I keep it kind of neutral. But I said something and somebody said, well, the last time I checked, Donnell, the economy was doing well. And I said, you can't confuse the economy with humanity. And that's the thing. And that's what that's what people don't feel good about. You can tout all the numbers. You can tout all the numbers you want. Black unemployment, all the numbers, all the numbers. But how do people feel?

You know what I'm saying? They feel represented. They don't feel represented. They don't feel. Like, I could rock either way, bro, Democrat, Republican. I make enough money where a lot of the views of Republicans are like, yo, that's right up my alley. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got that right. I'm rich, bitch!

You know, like that. I fucked some Republican bitches before. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, it's the, and it may not sound right to a lot of people, but it's the human factor of it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you want to

feel good. Why so many people don't know the economy is doing well? Because they don't feel good. You know what I'm saying? You want to celebrate. You want to cheer. You want to feel good about it. And that's the whole thing. And I think, I believe

when Obama ran, like his campaign was changed donald trump would make america great again either one of them could have ran off each other's campaign slogan do you know after bush obama could have said make america great again and it would electrify the base the same as change true they said the same fucking thing that would be the great thing for obama to say right after bush and i'm gonna tell you one thing that kind of i don't know insulting or or get people upset it's like you keep pushing the narrative make america great again make america great again you keep pushing it as if america was so fucked up before you took office, and that's not the case.

Like, when Obama took it from Bush, he was making America great again. You're talking about a shit show, and the thing that people, however you took it, respected or not, it was never nothing laced with anger. It was never, it wasn't no, yo, you see this mess Bush left me? It was never like, ah, this motherfucker.

It was never no mention. Do you see that new movie about Bush? Do you see it? I didn't see it either. What's it called, Jamie? Is it out? Yeah, no, yeah. The one with Vice?

Yeah, Vice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About Dick Cheney and George Bush? Whenever I think about it, I say the movie about getting shot in the face, because that's the only scene I want to see. Well, the thing about Bush and Cheney is that movie kind of makes it seem like Cheney was the guy pulling the strings, and Bush was this simple, happy-go-lucky guy who they just roped into being president because he was the son of a president. That's not far-fetched, though. It's not far-fetched at all. It's at all not even remotely i i think i actually agree with it when

i think about bush now i don't think about him in a negative way but i think about cheney in a negative way really yeah yeah yeah i think about cheney about i think about halliburton i think about all the the rebuilding of the places that we blew up like all the crazy shit from dick cheney come from no bid contracts that are worth billions of dollars to you know is it just you say that you're about to bush because if i had i know it may sound crazy if i had to have a pick of who i would have wanted to be the republican candidate it was on the on the republican side was um i like jeb bush i didn't really get to know him at all there was something something that, I don't know. I don't know too much about him.

I just thought that he was kind of like a mama's boy. I think he probably, out of all the kids, I probably think that he probably was the one that thought a little outside of what their norm was. I think he was a successful businessman, too. Yeah, didn't he marry don't know but i just i don't know but but bush i mean trump fucked him up like he did fuck him up yo how do you fuck motherfuckers up with just nicknames i feel like you wanted to lay down yo i felt like jeb wanted to lay down i really do i felt like trump put all the motherfuckers days, you were safe until you got your nickname. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Once you got Lion. Yeah, Lion 10. No energy. No energy, Jim. You know, that motherfucker was like, he could name rap artists. Yeah.

No, it was a smart thing he did that no one's ever done before. Nobody, there's a lot of things. And even like, even when, even when Obama got elected, you know what it got,

Obama elected was fucking Facebook and $5 contributions, $5 donations. When Obama was running, he was the first person to use Facebook the way he did. Really? Oh, man. They have so many. Every goddamn day, it was Obama asking. He wouldn't ask for like millions he was just like

like a dude in the hood yo let me hold five dollars right like i would get an email hey this is barack obama yo let me hold ten dollars right and i got and i was like yeah he go ten dollars right and then a week later he asked for fucking twenty dollars and then he asked for fucking $20. And then he asked for $10 again. And then it got so bad, then Michelle would send me an email. But he just, he nickel and dime America, and that's what supported his campaign. And the fact that he was right at the turn of a form of media that you could use to your advantage. He was the Facebook guy. He reached people through Facebook.

Donald Trump is doing the same thing through Twitter. I can reach people. Why does he tweet so much? Why does he tweet so much every day? Because he knows motherfuckers would rather pick up a phone and read a tweet than to read a newspaper. A hundred percent. Fuck that. All I need is headlines.

Yeah. Way more people reading tweets versus newspapers. Right? I'd be stunned. If. Way more people reading tweets versus newspapers. Right? That'd be stunned. Like, if you could get to see that exact engagement in a good article in the New York Times on the front page versus one of Donald Trump's tweets. The only two people that motherfuckers are just waiting for their tweets to come out is Donald Trump and Kanye West. Those are the two most interested tweet people. Kanye West could just say grapefruit juice

and fuck up all of the media the next day what do you think he meant do you think he meant he was hungry or he was thirsty kanye just tweeted grapefruit juice one of the most they one of the most interesting tweeters out there yeah you wait for a kanye west tweet well he's got a free way of expressing himself like he has an got a free way of expressing himself. He has an unfiltered way of expressing himself. And a lot of people have mixed feelings about it, mixed views. I know the black community is a little stressed out right now. Well, because of his Trump thing.

But you know what? I don't know how much of that. There's two things. One, Obama called him a jackass. That could weigh on you. That stung a little bit yeah you know and then obama when obama's gone trump takes office trump is willing to let him talk trump trump trump will charm him and here's the thing joe with that said like when i do

white clubs black clubs whatever i do all type of clubs but the thing is um you you you first off kanye west has a voice not too many as much as black people want to throw talent on them we don't have too many voices that everybody is waiting here whether whatever comes out he has a voice i believe that kanye west is trying to say something i just don't know what the fuck he's trying to say because I'm not fluent in Yeezy. I barely know Swahili. I can't do Swahili and Yeezy. And I think he's trying to say something. But if there was some type of interpreter, this would be a dope ass.

If a Chappelle show was right now, this would be a dope if Chappelle's show was right now this would be a dope ass skit Kanye West says something and then Dave Chappelle is his conscious interpreter that would be hilarious he does Kanye says and then Dave yells out

you know what I think and this I mean I only talked to him once on the phone but what I think from studying him and paying attention because we're supposed to

eventually do a podcast one day yeah is that I think he thinks different he does he connects dots different and that's one of the reasons why he's so prolific with music but that's what i'm that's the point i'm making just and that's the point i'm saying about not speaking easy but here's some people that think like that they don't know how to get it out it's like just just speaking but i've been thinking about this a lot. You're Superman. I love you. You're my dad.

You're my superhero. You're my dad. You're like my father. You know how hard that was for the black community to hear him say that part? Fuck, you can sell him a plane all you want. But when you say you're like my father, and then black people sitting back like, could you please explain that? So we think, then this was funny to me. Then Kanye said, yeah, you're like a father figure to me.

Like when I was younger, I thought he was going to hit me with the horrific, you know, father was in a shootout, a drive-by. And this would fuck me up, bro. He said, yeah, when i was younger my parents uh separated at a young age first off you had parents you already winning motherfucker none of my niggas had parents they had my mother and my father you know i'm saying not only that okay okay cut my friends. My parents separated. I mean, they were married. That's two wins.

You up two before you even get two, and they separated, and mom moved down the street. You still got to see your fucking father. So that was a little troubling. So that was a little troubling. But the whole thing is, I'm pretty sure at some point Kanye West will be able to speak a language that everybody can understand. Until then, it's only a handful of people that speak it and understand it and also write it. But here's my problem with all this. And I've been thinking about this a lot. They want to medicate him.

Right? Yeah. Look how effective he is. Just stop and think about culturally effective in terms of the music that he makes that people love. Yeah. His influence. Yeah. He creates clothes.

Okay. He's married. He creates conversation and dialogue too. He does. His wife makes hundreds of millions of dollars. They're insanely wealthy, insanely successful. If you want to talk about overall success, they're together. They have children.

They're super wealthy. Of course. He produces incredible art that's loved worldwide, and they want to medicate him. Just stop and think about how effective. But they want to medicate him to operate at what level, though? Exactly. Think about how effective he is and yet they want on medication or off off when he's off medication he said himself he's his most creative stop and think about how creative he's been how successful he's how well received yeah happy and all these other elements in his life but yet they want him to act the way they

want him to act and if people just want him to take the hat off you know i mean whatever bro you can say whatever the fuck you want the black people wasn't mad because he wore the hat they was mad because he wasn't a fit they was looking for a new era if that was a new era they would have been more accepting of it man we just We just don't want the hat, son. It's red and white now. That's a problem. Anything with red, with white letters,

somebody will punch you. Yo, I'm telling you, it's like, when I see, it's so funny now, whenever I see a red hat, I'm like, like, I'm immediately,

but I did a show upstate New York, and it was this white dude came up to me after the show, and he didn't have what looked like a Make America Great Again hat. He like a Make America Great Again hat.

He had a Make America Great Again hat. And it looked like he had the original one. You know how you got a Boston fan, and you're like, you've only been a fan. Nah, he was a fan of American Make America Great before. He probably sold the hashtag to him.

But here's the thing, yo. This motherfucker had the hat on and shit and at the end of the show he was one of the dudes that was continued to laughing the most you know

and I went up to him and I I was like yo I gotta get a picture with you and I took the picture and it was a video I was like yeah motherfucker

y'all see his hat and he started laughing and we had a good moment it wasn't no I wasn't angry him i'm not gonna let i think it's hard to get away from it but i think kanye would have he likes the idea of how it gets people flustered he's a contrarian in a lot of ways your special was triggered right

yeah one of them was yeah um excuse me all right all right no but i'm saying it's like triggered like even and i when i when a guy had the hat on and i was talking to i heard it on the side it was like this oh he's triggered and i wasn't I wasn't. I wasn't triggered by that. What I would have been triggered by is how you make me feel. With that hat. No, period. Period. You know, you could come at me with the hat on with some fucked up energy, and I could feel it.

But the energy he gave me was like, I know this may sound crazy, but he was like, yo, you're a funny motherfucker. With the hat on, you're a funny motherfucker with the hat on you're like okay i didn't give a fuck right because i couldn't let him i couldn't let him right make me feel like if that's what his intent was he was gonna make me feel uncomfortable i couldn't do it do you think he was trying to make you feel uncomfortable i think he really that's who he was i think that's who he was But I think he That's who he was But I know that motherfucker Laughed like a motherfucker So

At a comedy club That's all you can ask for That's all you can want That's all you can want Yeah That's all you can want Yeah Now you got the right perspective man

Looking at it all the right way I love it Man it's like At the end of the day You got good people And you got bad people And it's who Do the end of the day, you got good people and you got bad people. And it's who do you choose to be? You want to be on the good side or the bad side.

And it's easy. Man, I know it sounds corny. Rodney King said, can we all just get along? We all could get along if motherfuckers just remove the hate. Yeah. Well, you know who i always look at it we can get along the three of us in this room we have no problems so when we people expand out what goes wrong like what something goes wrong when you get to like three million what is it three

million and what just humans as people expand out you get a couple of people together and most people could be fine together most people the vast majority it's when you get a couple of people together, and most people could be fine together. Most people. The vast majority. It's when you get to large numbers. It gets fucked up. It gets fucked up. It's almost like people are supposed to live in small towns, you know, with a bunch of cool people. Like, a small town with a bunch of assholes would suck.

But small towns with all—how about if we lived in a small town with all comedians? I know. If I lived in a small town right now, I would be a. If I lived in a small town right now, I would be a grandfather. You think so? 100%. What do you do in small towns? You drink and get and fuck our babies. Yeah, but I mean a small town, a community,

let me say, filled with comedians. It would be a lot of murders. Yo, comedians will actually kill each other man i can't even like i can't it's just only a certain amount of comedians i can be around at one time because then it started getting you know there's motherfuckers jockeying for the best joke there's some that are like that but there's some that lay back and they're laughers and those are snipers yeah those are just not it was a good sniper Yeah they're snipers They got that breathing pattern right

Yeah They know when you pull that trigger It's supposed to shock you It's supposed to sight you every time Yeah they don't throw any loose bombs None of that shit They got that sniper finger Yeah

That's a good way That's a very good way So snipers and the motherfucking grunts They go out there Yeah I was in the military for four years Were you really? Yeah Air Force Air Force Wow There's a motherfucking grunts that go out there. Yeah. I was in the military for four years. Were you really?

Yeah. Air Force. Were you in? Air Force? Wow. I was a cop in the military. Really? Nobody believes I was the worst cop ever. I made one arrest in four years.

And that was because a girl came through the gate. She had some big titties. And I decided that I needed to pull her over. But I was the worst fucking cop. And I had to get out of the military because I used to hear this phrase all the time. Airman Rollins, your blatant disregard

for established military policy shows a lack of military brain and integrity. I used to hear that. I was like, these motherfuckers going to gun and kick me out. Air Force, four years. I was a cop stationed in Kunsan, Korea.

Stationed in Boland and you I see Oh tongue saying NSCO Nuna how you go digger talk talk a lot of so Wow um four years military three years to two years in Korea two years of bowling first base and I got out and just randomly went to a comedy club, became a heckler. I was an asshole. I used to go to this comedy club every Wednesday to fuck with the comedians. Where was it? Comedy Connection to Greenbelt.

It was like the black comedy club in D.C. This was a time of when Martin Lawrence was on fire, the Def Jam thing was popping, and they had on black comedy clubs, it would be a pizza shop. They'll just turn, okay, now it's a comedy club. Monique had a club that she made turn from a restaurant to a comedy club just because she got more business on the weekend as a comedy club than restaurant and they took it over and i used to go heckle the comedians and i i was such a good heckler that people used to come to the show to hear me heckle they would be at at the door like, yo, is that asshole dude going to be here tonight? And that was me. The club owner dared me to go on stage because he wanted to shut me up.

Yo, I was so cocky. After four weeks of heckling, I tried to make a deal with the club owner. Come on. I swear. I was like, look, I'm telling you. I said, I know I've increased business by 30%. No. We need to start working on the door deal

he looked at me like what the fuck are you talking about anybody in DC will tell you this story and they wanted me to shut up they asked me to go on stage

and I went on stage and the first time I went on I murdered the shit and I knew that I wasn't going to be doing anything else

with my life but doing it I just knew it it was just like all like, How did it feel? It felt great. Do you remember it?

I remember it because, The flashes in your mind? I remember it because I had talked so much shit to this point and the thing about it was, but the room of the energy, the energy of the room

was there because there was a lot of people that came, they saw me. They were like, when you gonna go? You should, they saw me they were like like when you gonna go it you should you know they were like you should try you should try so the first time i went on people were excited about it they didn't know what to expect and i wrote all these

jokes i'm like i got i got 30 minutes i was like i was so cocky we used to have a open mic and you know my list is like 30 people and i would be like 10 on the list and they would keep bumping me and i thought they were just trying to save me the headline. I didn't think they were just trying to give me the shittiest spot. But half the club came to see me, so they would stay there. And that first time I went on, I had all these jokes I planned I was going to do.

And when I went on stage, I drew a complete blank. I didn't remember shit. And then I went where I knew best. I started fucking with somebody in the audience. I got a laugh. And then I did my material. And I didn't with what I knew best. I started fucking with somebody in the audience. I got a laugh. And then I did my material. I didn't know what the light was. They gave me

the light. And I was like, oh, I gotta go. Like, you know what the light means. Just make that your last joke. And I got off abruptly. I said, I gotta go. And people started booing. The host went up. And they was like, no, Donnell, he doesn't know. He's new. This is his first time.

He don't know what to like me. He was like, he'll be back. I was there almost every Wednesday for eight months. Then I moved to New York at six months. Wow. Said, I'm out of here. Where'd you go first? Club-wise or live?

Either one. Brooklyn. Brooklyn you live? Brooklyn was a bare out. That's why I took this step. But it was interesting to me because I didn't go from D.C. to like mainstream white clubs. I was doing still the ghetto rooms and shit. And a lot of times I couldn't get spots.

So I would go to the poetry open mics. Because that shit used to be so dull. The water was shifting, the wave, wave. And I'd be like, does anybody want a break from this shit? Right? And then I would go do jokes when I couldn't do comedy

because I would do that until I started making a name for myself and never looked back. It was dope. New York is a great place to get your chops up. What year do you enter New York? It had to be probably like 95

probably like 95 yeah i'd already moved i'd gone i left in 94 to come to la oh yeah when did you get out here i got out here like seven years ago maybe eight years ago and it was because my my situation was different because i wasn't getting a lot of road work. And I was like, well, fuck it. If I'm not getting a lot of road work, I might as well try to get more film and television stuff to move out to L.A. And then when I moved out here, I started getting more personal appearances. So basically I moved to L.A. and became a road comic. And I wasn't mad at it because after you're doing it for a while you just want to where the

fuck can i make money doing this shit you know i'm saying if it's the road it's the road you know i mean if it's hollywood it's hollywood but who was going to pay me some money and it was the road and it took now like i do 40 weekends a year but with me having a young kid now i'm trying to focus more and film and television and get some more stable shit. Because I'm getting a little, you know, it's getting burnt. I hate to say this because I've said it too many times, but you should have a podcast. I've heard that. Shout out to Beauty Humor, man.

Dude, I've started a thousand podcasts. I need to start yours. I'm with it. Yo, I'm telling you, my dude, like. You should do it, 100%. I used to do, and I miss, I used started a thousand podcasts. I need to start yours. I'm with it. Yo, I'm telling you, my dude, like. You should do it, 100%. I used to do, and I miss, I used to do radio. I did radio. I did Hot 97, but I would love to do a podcast.

You're a natural. You could have the number one podcast in the country. No bullshit, 100%. Let's do it. You think, Jamie? Yeah. It'd be easy. You just need someone to make you an account and just up.

You could shit. You could upload it literally from your iPhone or whatever phone you use. You put a little microphone in the bottom of it. I do. I do. And another reason why, because I always want to talk. Yeah, I'm sure. It's fun.

I get it. But you've been in the game for a while. Nine years. Damn. Almost ten. But you were, you consider yourself a pioneer? No. There's people before me for sure.

I was just one of the early adopters. I'd say early adopter, but it was already established. Adam Curry had one. I think he invented the name podcast. And then Adam Carolla went from radio to podcast. And that's when I was like, oh. Oh, wait a minute. Was he a radio personality before he was doing the man show?

Yeah. No, no. He did the man show. Well, he was a radio personality first. Then he a radio personality before he was doing the man show? Yeah. No, no. He did the man show. Well, he was a radio personality first. Then he did the man show. And I think he did radio during the same time. He did Love Line. Yeah, during the same time.

And then after that, he had a big-time syndicated morning radio show. And I did his radio show a couple times. And then when he left his radio show and went to podcasts, he got this professional studio built and everything. And I went to visit him. And I was like, whoa. And I remember walking around the place going, look at this shit. Like I was when I came here, right?

Same thing. I'm like, who the fuck got a wolf? And not a wolf from here, from London, yo. I saw shit that I'd never seen, motherfuckers. I'm like, what is that? What is that? What is that? What is that called right there?

That's an elk. Elk. Yeah. I'm like, what is that a point? What is that? What is that called right there? That's an elk. Elk.

Yeah. What are the people that make that? What are they called? That's a profession. Taxidermy. But that's only when they put like the fake, when they put the fur over it, the fake eyeballs and shit. Is that yours? That's mine.

Yeah. That's the actual real skull. God damn. That's what they call a European mount When they just have The skull And the antlers That's where I get my food from I'm cooking an elk roast tonight When I get out of here

And it's from him? Not that one Not that one I ate that one already I ate that one See that's some man shit man Elk Yo if I go tell my boys

I'm eating elk They be like You changed son I think you gay son Yo Yo he gay, son. He had cottage cheese the other day. That motherfucker say he a vegan and he eating elk?

Oh, no, son. He trying to do them fucking $5 foot laws with Smollett. Smolletta. I can't say his name. Smollett. That poor guy. I say the motherfucker. Let me ask you this.

How does that guy come back from that? He doesn't. Ever? No the motherfucker doesn't trust him. Let me ask you this. How does that guy come back from that? He doesn't. Ever? No, because he's going to. How does he feed himself? The way he feeds himself, because he's still going to have a base. The base he's going to have is like, the motherfuckers will be like, fuck it, I would have did the same thing. That's not a good group of people.

You said it might not be a good group of people the way you think it, but for him, it's a group of people. Right. There's going to be still some people that want to hear his side of the story. Everybody's not dismissive of him. And some people still hold on to like, well, maybe some people are just going like i refuse to believe it right point blank well he's still denying it he's saying that they're lying yeah it's the latest thing but you know i don't know maybe i don't know it doesn't look good i don't know them dudes was in the i don't know i think something else was going on bro i think something did i think he. I think he was possibly paying them for something else. Could be.

Not just to beat my ass. Thank you, guys. All right, I got some other ways you can make money. I don't know. Again, it's just. It's a good story. It's so fucked up, bro, because you have, like, it's so fucked up. My older brother is gay.

And, like, with that situation, it kind of rung home to me because when it first was put, I was like this. I wish the fuck somebody would try to violate my brother or disrespect my brother. I know how it arms. I'd be ready to go. So I had that. And that's what's so fucked about the whole shit. He had so many people that was riding for him for different reasons, man. And it's like really selfish for you to not give a fuck about how you're going to hurt

people. You know what I mean? Maybe he didn't realize how bad it would go wrong. Maybe. Man, bro. Come on. You going for the gates. When you're saying throwing fucking bleach on me, you trying to trigger motherfuckers.

You trying to trigger for Alvin Sale. Didn't he say he was a gay Tupac? He said that. I ain't no killer, but don't push me. Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to getting. Well, he didn't say the pussy part. Oh, that's hilarious. He said that he was the gay...

He already had his movie in his head. That's so ridiculous. I fought back. I'm the gay 2... He already had his hashtag. He probably bought the white website. Trace that. I don't want to stop this podcast, but I got to pee so bad.

I did two podcasts in a row. So talk to Jamie for just two minutes. I got to take a leak. What is that right there? I'll take one of those. Is that a pre-roll? Yeah. Yeah.

Word. I'll be right back. I just have to be so bad. I ain't mad at you, son. You got a lighter right there? Yes. Look, just know when you're in L.A., it's like this. Is this an indica or sativa?

There is some extra spice in there, too. There's a little extra, I think it's called butter. Butter? It's like wax. What? Yeah. It's a little bit. You can't really tell, to be honest with you.

That's how white boys set you up. Yeah. Just eat half the ear. You'll be okay. How many people still come up to you about The Wire? I know, obviously, Chappelle's show, but The Wire. You know, the funny thing about the people that come up to me at The Wire, they identify by themselves as instant intellects.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, people, it's almost like they're cocky. Like, I know you're on Chappelle and a couple other things, but you know where I really love you from, The Wire. That was a dope experience. Did you ever watch hbo's the corner i started i started i think i got uh i feel like it was six episodes and i watched yeah it was a six series i didn't watch all of it i was in that okay i played a heroin addict and that and um a lot of people don't know people are fans if you

were a fan of the wire you definitely been a fan of the corner because so many of the actors came back to yeah that's why after i watched the, I wanted more and more content like that. And so I went back and tried to watch it. But I actually enjoyed re-watching The Wire more. I liked the show and my character was supposed to build up more. But the Baltimore Tourism Board was upset that every time someone goes shooting Baltimore, they depict it as a drug-infested, pretty much what it is. So that's why they went from the—if you notice the shift in the writing, they went from the towers to the docks. Like, how the fuck did we get to the docks?

That's because they didn't just want to be in the hood like that. like that but david simon he was um he was like yo i liked you you know what you did so they brought me back for the last for the last season i've tried to get joe to watch it but it's it's like it's 10 years old now so it's hard to get back into an old show yeah but it's so good so many people love it that way people are like they were like definitely wire fanatics and when they brought me back the last season i was nervous because h, the last season of any show on HBO, the writers get vindictive and they do nasty shit to the characters. Like the last season of Oz, it was dudes getting raped on Oz that wasn't even on Oz. They was like, dude, I'm on Nickelodeon.

I'm just trying to get to the bathroom, man. But they was right to me. I didn't get raped the last season and it was fun. I know. I got to settle season and it was fun I know I gotta settle down and choose it for a run just get in

and it's still you just gotta watch it because it's so good his character comes up at like the best time and he's not to spoiler alert it but like

the fall of the money starts with him and like that's a that's why if you're a fan you know that my role would have been like if they didn't switch the tone know you're a fan you know that that my role would

have been like if they didn't switch the tone if they would have kept it in the towers my shit was because i was the connection between the streets and the politics i know i could have blown that character out and when i first got busted when i was in the room i was trying to i was gonna rob the mansion it would tell you dan he said what's your name? I said, my name is Day Day. My name is Day Day, but they mostly call me Damien. Right? And then he said,

my name is Daniel. And they mostly call me Lieutenant. And this is after I had already said how I would rob the whole crib because I thought he was a driver with me. And that character

should have been off by then. So good job. It was a good opportunity it was another cool platform it was dope I can honestly say whatever happens

in my career I was on two shows that'll go down in television history The Wire Yeah I believe you about The Wire

I mean everybody says it I just I never settled down and watched it but for sure Chappelle's show is the greatest sketch comedy.

It's number one and number two. It's like that and in living color. And you can pick your spot depending upon when you grew up and what it meant to you. Because for a lot of people in living color, too, because it was on Fox, you didn't have to have cable to get it. It was on Fox. You didn't have to have cable. Did you have to have cable at Fox? No.

Fox was regular TV. But then it was new tv right but then it was like it was new too because it was for the most part of all black cast all black cast and you didn't see that dancers it was like they took everything jennifer lopez everybody was making money and getting ass when i was up i don't think they uh the wands i think who was it sean was dj i don't think he knew how to d, but Keenan had that fucking vision, man. He had that vision. Who's like-

How many seasons did that go? I don't know. Probably six. Did it really go that many? Yeah. That was the show every comedian hoped that they would, every year they would come around and say, they're looking for new people for Living Color, and every city was just busting doors down and trying to get an audition.

Wow. I remember watching it for the first time i was at a pool hall in like yonkers new york and i looked up at the screen me and a buddy of mine my friend john tobin we're playing pool and we're watching the show i was like what in the fuck are they doing and it was doing no lips when fire marshal bill came out i was like what the fuck fuck am I seeing? Yo, Jim Carrey was an animal, man. He was again like, once you saw him, you just started laughing. Yeah, he was an animal. I mean, how many times? There he is.

What do we have now? Homie the Clown. Homie the Clown. Homie don't play that. Girls would always say that. I think Paul Mooney wrote the Homie the Clown character. Really? Yeah. Did he?

Yep. That's hilarious. It was groundbreaking. it was wanda wow but then look at that that's funny right but you're talking about how dope of a career that motherfucker had jamie foster go from that to oscar that motherfucker can do anything he can do anything and sing yeah we've talked about it before he's got that weird he's got that weird ability to do anything like when uh mike tyson was talking about jamie playing him you know thing and sing yeah we've talked about it before he's got that weird he's got that weird ability to do anything like when uh mike tyson was talking about jamie playing him you know he was uh oh

jamie was he's apparently is oh i know he's gonna kill him he's gonna kill it he's gonna kill it he can do anything he can sing he's got great stories man how to run the podcast got great great stories he's just a good guy Anytime I've ran into him Anytime I've talked to him He's always been a Really cool dude Good dude man Yeah he's very friendly

Last time I saw him He was at a gas station He's got some crazy Fucking truck Some weird thing I was like what is that I never even saw one of those Things before

I don't know what it is I think he got a whole bunch Of what you've never seen Before You know like what is that Oh that was from It's some new Some new custom made Weird fucking truck Right a whole bunch of what you've never seen before. What is that? It's some new

custom made weird fucking truck. It looks like something from the future. Does he drive it? He was driving it. Yeah. Good dude. He never... I think he's doing more

stand-up again. I heard he's doing more stand-up. But, you know, how do you... That's a tough thing to do, too, probably. To get that level as an international A-list superstar to still have the passion to do stand-up. Right. You got to want it. You got to want to do it for some strange reason. You let the motherfuckers peers in your group know i still got it motherfucker you know who did who did you ever see that thing it was about maybe a year or so ago

right when bill cosby was in the heat of all his trouble where eddie murphy did some stand-up on a dais like in front of a platform yeah that was for it was an award he got at the kennedy center it was some type of cultural show i can't remember exactly name of it but i remember i think dave was a part of that too that was a big deal but what got me was how good he was i was like god damn he's good you can't he's a comedian you know even though he's not using the stage platform you know he sits around or it's like oh shit yeah that would be funny of course you know i mean he had this whole routine about them taking bill cosby's uh doctorate degree away from him he had this whole bit about it when he's doing a bill cosby impression while he's doing it man i'm

telling you man his timing was that would be so good to see him do it again that's what i'm thinking his it was so powerful i was like god, we missed out on years of this. Years. Yeah, you're like, what were you talking about? He's probably close to being a granddad now. Can you play a little bit of this? I don't know. It's only a minute long.

Just give me a little bit. Just give me a little bit. Okay, it's got a bunch of music in it. Here it goes. Bill has one of these. He says... Did y'all make Bill give his back? You know you f***ed up when they want you to give your trophies back.

Man, we missed out on him hosting the Oscars, man. Dude, I'm telling you, when you watch him do this routine, you go, oh my God, he still got it. It's Eddie motherf***ing Murphy. I know, but he hasn't done any stand-up in forever, and it was like he's been doing it every day. Yeah, but you got to look at him when he came on, like certain people are just naturals, bro. But it's so sad that he hasn't been doing it, man.

When you stop and think, go from raw, delirious to raw to nothing for all these years, and he might be be if he's not nothing i wouldn't say nothing international movie star you know but not you mean for sure i mean nothing is terms of his do his stand-up gotcha that's all i mean yeah of course he's an international movie star but he could have been one of the greatest of all time if he isn't already i mean he is already if you have a top 10 you got to kind of put eddie murphy in there of course but he could be number one ever yeah if he just kept doing it but he made his it would just be interesting but he made his mark nobody was fucking doing it like we got big names and

stuff now but eddie murphy was just like everybody was talking about him like his special job the next day everybody was quoting lines from it. I watched it with my friend Jimmy and with a bunch of his friends. And we were probably like 18 or something like that. Like maybe. Raw delirious. 17, 18. Delirious.

It was the best. And I remember we were just like, everyone was stunned. Like we were just, everyone was sitting back on the couch going, God, that was incredible. Dice Clay had that energy. Yeah. Dice Clay had everybody. That was like what you said, when specials were really special. There wasn't very many of them.

It was a couple of them, and then whoever that person was, you knew you were going to see them on TV or somewhere for like the next two years. Easy. Dude, I found out about Kinison from a girl that worked the front desk at a health club that it worked out i used to work at this not i was gonna say what the fuck was he doing in there i worked at this nautilus plus in revere uh was a revere massachusetts like this fitness place uh no that wasn't nautilus plus that was um that was uh the fucking god damn boston athletic club in south boston that's where it was anyway there's a girl who worked the front desk she goes

I saw this comedian last night you gotta fucking see him he's the most amazing comedian he did this joke about gay people fucking dead people yo

do you know that bit no I don't know that but that sentence is 20 years old what's that that sentence is 20 years old the thing you just said

he did this bit about gay people fucking so and so yeah motherfucker couldn't even probably try to think about saying that on stage now right it'd be a rough it would be rough but the way he said it the way kinnison said it you know she was saying it to me one way yeah yeah i went and got it on uh vhs after that to watch it it was dope but she was lying on her stomach in the parking lot to pretend to be a dead body because what had happened was these homosexual in the kinnison bit these homosexual necrophiliacs were paying money to have a little bit of time undisturbed with the freshest male corpse so kinnison lies down on stage and he's going you imagine that undisturbed you can

imagine he's lying down on stage he's like like, wow, I can't believe this. I guess I'm going to go to heaven now and be with Jesus. And oh, hey, what is this? It feels like someone's fucking me in the ass. Oh, you mean life keeps fucking you in the ass even after you're dead? It never ends. It never ends. So I'm watching this girl who's like this volleyball player, this big athletic girl.

I already know that. And she's got her body down on the ground. And she's yelling out. Oh, do you want me to create a bit? Yeah. She's like, life keeps fucking you in the ass even after you're dead. It never ends. And I was laughing so hard.

That's funny. At what she was saying, I went out and got the VHS tape. Did it meet your standards? Did you like it? I was blown away. I was blown away. I was blown away. I couldn't believe it was comedy. But he had that type of energy, man.

It's a different kind of comedy. Yeah, and then you think he was really loud, but then he was loud, but he was saying shit. Just like that bit. You know how your brain has to be to even think of that shit? Do you know he shared something with Roseanne Barr? Brain injury. Really? Brain injury.

Personality change and brain injury. Both of them were hit by cars. Both of them were hit by cars Both of them were hit by cars And that's how it happened? Both of them Yeah Same thing I mean don't hit your kid with a car And hope they turn out to be a comedian

You don't think you're funny? You're funny now Motherfucker With Roseanne She was in a mental institute For nine months You know And with Kinison

They said there was an abrupt change Between who he was And who he became he got hit by that car and then from then on he was this wild reckless don't give a fuck guy and this ranting raging preacher but it turned out to be good for him oh yeah the dark side the dark side is and for roseanne it's good for her too you know in many ways she might be done now we haven't heard how was that show doing her spinoff is it doing good i don't think it's doing that good i think it's dropping off roseanne is in my opinion like having a person with a broken leg and expecting them to keep up on a hike she's got a she's got brain issues she's heavily medicated and you know adderall and marijuana and all these different things. There's a lot of shit that's fucking with her head.

You know, and they kind of knew that when they were making that show. I really think they did. I really think they knew that. But they're rolling dice. Yeah. But it's also one of those things where, like, there's lovable parts about that show because of the fact that she's kind of loony. And she's self-admittedly loony and self-admittedly medicated. We get connected to the train, man.

The most interesting person is a train wreck. It's true. The most interesting person to watch is somebody you think you could probably do better or smarter than or any of that. We'd like when successful people have a giant major flaw, like a brain injury, makes them ramble about shit. I don't know how to push for that one. But you know what I'm saying? I like my celebrities with no brain injuries.

Now here comes the needle, the needle comes out of shit like injector. Well, for Kinison, like Kinison, he was a groundbreaking comedian. Like when I remember seeing him, and obviously I was only 18 or 19 at the time, but I remember seeing him being like, oh, I didn't even know that this was comedy. I didn't know you could do that. It was a totally different thing. He didn't give a shit. He did a show where he would call up.

He would have a phone, and he would ask some guy in the audience if your heart was ever broken by a girl. And the guy would say, me, what happened? Tell me what happened. And he goes, oh, she fucked fucked my friend and she left me he's like god damn it give me this bitch's number and if we get on the stage hey hey marcy oh yeah yeah yeah i'm here your ex-boyfriend tom this is sam fucking kid is it and we're down the phone it would scream at this lady and they had her over speaker she's like what what the fuck he'd be screaming you fucking whore oh that's too screaming into this telephone it was chaos oh man i would have

loved to see that man i saw that working i was working as a security guard at great wood center for the performing arts so i got to see it while i was i paid for it there once the special see it yeah i got to see him live three times right i didn't see the special but i saw him perform like at the comedy store or something no no no is it a big ass amphitheater can you imagine how it felt to see him work the or oh my god you know motherfuckers might be out in the hallway and shit trying to peek in yeah that room started getting tight as a motherfucker he was so powerful and funny looking you know like everything about him the beret and the fucking child molester jacket i don't say if it's set to standards but it was like everybody wanted to be the loud fat loud fat guy with the crazy hair yeah there was

a little bit of that after that he he opened up a door for something that people loved they loved there's something about him that was like, you knew that he was genetically fucked. It wasn't a good specimen of manhood, but he was angry and smart and confident and fucking ferocious. And he would talk about all that. And part of the fact that he was physically vulnerable

was part of what made him funny. And he was just vulnerable was part of what what made him funny and he was just off the chain yeah well the funny thing is about he he had some hilarious bits about being married about the devil coming up to when you're married oh oh you've been married oh we're nice no this isn't even gonna be scary for you like oh here's where we torture the soul for you like oh here's where we torture the souls

that's funny he had this shit where he's like he goes look at my face look at my face ow ow he goes

I've been married twice and you can't even try one of his jokes without doing his voice no you can't like soon you can do Seinfeld

and you kind of do Seinfeld voice even if you hear somebody do their voice even yell a little bit like alright calm down Sam Kenison. Exactly.

Get out. Out. I live in hell. Yeah, he had some groundbreaking shit where you watched it, and it was like you were on a ride. Like all of a sudden there was this new thing going on. Was he at Saturday Night Live? I don't think so.

No? I don't think so. He don't think so he would have tore that shit up he would have they banned him from a lot of things by the time he got to a certain stage in his comedy career there was certain subjects and certain you know he has this bit about AIDS it was so ruthless and he goes everybody says AIDS shouldn't make fun of AIDS Sam it's a communicable disease he'll straight people get it too he goes name one name one fucking guy and they can't it's not our dance and i remember hearing that going whoa whoa fuck you it's not our dance i'm like oh my god and uh there was certain bits like that where people like cut and's yo right now it would be like comedy police

yeah everywhere i mean so much of his bits were punching down it was an argument that i got in with a guy who wrote a book on comedy and he was telling me that comedy always has to punch up and i said no it doesn't that's crazy i go sam kinnison had one of the greatest bits of all time two of the greatest bits of all time one there was a dude who was getting fucked in the ass after he was dead. I want another committee that nominated and made that one of all times. But go ahead. And then the other one was the bit about watching someone. Oh, this one burnt.

I lost the ash here. And the other one was a bit about us watching a commercial. Will you please donate money to feed the starving children in africa and he's saying what just occurred to us you know like there wouldn't be world hunger if you people would move where the food is he has this horrible fucking joke and there's the worst punching down of all time right he's making fun of starving children and it's so good it's just an observation i call it an observation and he's like he goes hey we got deserts in america too we just don't live in them asshole he goes don't send him food send him you halls send him something

like me he's gonna he's like we're gonna take you where the food is and they that's all they need to do is simple he had a joke where he was saying He literally was saying See that? See that? It's fucking sand You know it's gonna be a hundred years from now Fucking sand Pack your kids

We're gonna take you where the food is That's funny And you were crying And it was the most ruthless and wrong thing That anybody could ever say You're talking about starving children And it was I think you can make it all work

Punch it down You can make it all work You can make it all work. You can make it all work. He was punching down with earthquake-like effects. Boom! Boom! And then he hit him with a punch. I probably killed it at the end with a punch.

It was unbelievably funny, and it was one of the most punched-down things you could ever do. He's making fun of starving babies. I think it could be done. You can make fun of anything. We have to know we have to know two things one it's not really happening the way you're saying it because you're just joking and it's comedy and it's an observation yeah it's an observation yeah somebody said donald can a joke be too soon and i don't think a joke could be too soon but it never could

be too soon for a funny observation it It's the observation that we see. We can go to a fucking funeral and be in that motherfucker on the inside laughing like crazy. Yeah. And everybody going to tell me, I'll see you in heaven. When you go to heaven, assuming that everybody's going to go to heaven. Everybody's not going to go to heaven. One of the best lines, one of the best one-liners i ever heard was from dave foley i was on news radio with dave foley and after phil hartman had gotten murdered by his wife and then his wife committed suicide

yeah he was up for an emmy and hartman was yeah so we all went you know uh and we all put on suits and shit and went to the emmys and uh he didn't the dude from uh frazier won and dave foley turns to look at us and goes what the fuck's he have to do to win and we're just like it was just one of those things in the moment our murdered friend just lost at the Emmys. And he turns to us and goes, what the fuck does he have to do to win? And me and Steven Roode were falling down in our chairs. We're like, no, you didn't.

That's fucking funny. There's no too soon. It's just not funny. Yo, motherfuckers say it's too soon. I'm like, it's going to be too late. Because the minute you're saying it's too soon, somebody's going to jump on that shit. Exactly. Fuck it.

Exactly. It's when you think about it, that's when it has to go down. That's why I have this bit about that dude who was visiting that uncontacted tribe and trying to convert him to Jesus. And they shot him up with arrows. I didn't see that. It was an internet thing? It's a story that's on the news, and I made sure I made fun of it that day.

The moment I read it, I started writing. I was like, I'm not letting anybody have this one. This guy visited an uncontacted tribe with Bibles. And then you're like this, I got to do a set tonight. Tonight. Right now. Right now. I called up Adam. I'm like, you got to hook it up, dude. Yo, I got to do a set tonight. Tonight. Right now. Right now. I called up Adam.

I'm like, you got to hook it up, dude. Yo, I feel that way sometimes, man. It's like, fuck it, I'm going for it. Sometimes you just have to jump on something. Man, if it doesn't make my stomach rumble a little bit, a little uncomfortable, it's like, it's funny, but it's not like not like you know it's not your gut funny I want my gut to be happy you know one thing

that I think we should really say is we should really thank all the real comedy club fans that are still coming out and one of the things

that we're not getting were guys like you and me perform wild people when we perform in front of comedy clubs we're not getting a lot of pushback

man we're getting a lot of good crowds man it's great crowds and they want to it's great crowds they want to hear that fucking voice man i hear that crazy shit and then anything like like with me like it's weird because i'll do shows i'll do like an improv saying and clearing some shit and then i'll have a sold out show. And I'm still clubbed. I dabble with little theaters. And that's with a group of people, whatever. And I was like, how many people follow me on social media? And it's like out of a room of like 500, it'll be like four people.

And I'm like, wow, that's fucked up. But the thing is, the show is still sold out. You know, so it's not followers. I really believe I have real fans. you know so it's not followers i really believe i have real fans you know like people that whether it's through instagram doesn't have to be there but they know this dude and want to see him and that was the best shit the crowd that comes out to see you for sure 100 you know it's one thing and we can't take anything for granted it's one thing to like go up like at a night at the comedy store where you know it's gonna be a million comics you know it's one thing to like go up like at a night at the comedy store where

you know it's gonna be a million comics you know it's gonna be everybody in the stage you know you go to and it's another thing and you perform it but it's another thing knowing when the people that are there are there just to see you yeah you know when they make a weekend of it you know that's dope it is it is it's a great responsibility too, right? Yeah. But you're married to it. But when it's like your only option, for the most part, that's all I do now. So it's good. Yeah, but it's like you're in control of your own destiny, man. I just think the only thing you're missing is the podcast.

I think your podcast will be gigantic. I think I'm going to do it. I know I'm going to do it. 100%. You have to do it. Bearded my man. I think I'm going to do it. I know I'm going to do it. 100%. You have to do it. Bearded my man. I'm telling you. Dude.

He tells me, we'll be talking and he'll be like, son, when are you going to do your... I said, I'm doing Joe Rogan's podcast. He was like, yeah, but son, when are you going to do yours? You need to do one. You're so good at this. Let's set it up. Set it up, Jamie. Too Soon with Donnell Rawlings.

Too Soon? Yep. I like it. I like it. That's it. That's the name. Lock it up. Too Soon? Yep. I like it. I like it. That's it. That's the name. Lock it up. Someone buy too soon.com.

Don't be a dick. Don't be a dick. Give it to Donnell. Yo, get too soon. Give it to Donnell and I'll reimburse you on PayPal. Cash app, son. Don't be an asshole. That's so white, son.

You got to get cash app. I got cash app. That's what you're going to tell people. Yeah, you mean Uncle PayPal. Dude. You can't say PayPal no more, son. Cash app is the sponsor of this podcast That's what you're going to tell people. Yeah, you mean Uncle PayPal. Dude. You can't say PayPal no more, sir. Cash App is the sponsor of this podcast. It is.

Cash App is the shit. It's the shit, but PayPal's okay. But motherfuckers just Cash App you for anything. They will. Now, you can't say PayPal. Why not? You got this Cash App. But I said it.

It's like saying Uncle Joe's coming over, guys. No. Is he bringing his PayPal account? PayPal's great for buying things online. You don't use it? Yeah But it's not the cool shit Cash app's the cool shit

Cash app is the cool shit I'll cash app you I have a cash app thing too I'll do that No I want to do one I got to do it this year Too soon with Don L I got to do it this year

You should do it tomorrow You should literally do it tomorrow Do it tomorrow You're really good at it man Yeah Yeah for real You're really good at it You'd Yeah for real You're really good at it You'd be great

I'm gonna start You're natural It doesn't even make sense That you're not I'd be honored to help I wanna do it Let's do it You're the podcast motherfucker

Why not Fuck with the podcast motherfucker I uh I want a podcast I want everybody to do one Yo I love podcasts You are the king of the podcast

Well I got lucky I got in early But I love podcasts And I would love to of the podcast. Well, I got lucky. I got in early, but I love podcasts. And I would love to listen to yours. I'm going to do a podcast. It sounds like a love fest. I'm going to do a podcast. You 100% should do a podcast. It will 100% be gigantic.

I guarantee your podcast will be like number one in iTunes within like a couple of months. 100%. 100%. Probably the first episode will be close to the top. People want to hear it. So how would I get it off the first one how i launch it i'll let you back um well i'll tweet it for you you tell me when you're doing it i'll put it on instagram for you jamie will uh help you find a way to set it up just get you either with a microphone and a friend or you know another comedian or whatever so do you think it's important to engage with other people or can you do it bill burr does it entirely on his own it's amazing

ari shafir does some of the best shit he ever does on his own ari has these like long introductions he'll have a podcast that's two hours but his introduction is an hour and it's just ari talking shit and it's some of my favorite stuff that he does. D'Elia does it by himself, too. D'Elia and Theo. Yeah. Theo does it by himself. Yeah. Dude, a lot of people do them by themselves. I need to do one.

I really need to do one. Well, you're really funny with other people. I mean, you could probably be just as funny by yourself, but you're a funny dude to interact with. I think you and another person would be great. And you could just have a friend that's also a comedian. The two of you just start. You don't have to have guests. You could just be talking shit about things that are going on in the news

or talking shit about life or talking shit about any. Pick a subject. You could have Q&As from the crowd. They could ask you questions through email. And you could read out those questions. Yeah, I want to do one. I have to do one. Why not, man? Yeah, I have to do one. 100%. It's been. Why not, man? Yeah, I have to do one.

100%. It's been calling me. I know I have to do one. Let me help you. I'm with it. All right. I mean, how would I turn that down? You can't. We're in. They said people said we look like the black and white version of each other.

Thank you. I don't even know what to say about that. But it does look like you're a light-skinned me. That's hilarious. That's funny as shit. I guarantee you i have way more neanderthal i have 57 percent more neanderthal than the average person motherfucker that ain't that's not as hard as it seems especially if you have a rifle but you still gotta focus

you gotta yeah for rifle you do but for a bow and arrow that's when you really have to focus but it's um whenever you say bow and arrow, I just immediately hear like one just went past. Yeah. But it's an honest way to get meat, you know. I think like it's all, you know, there's an honest way to earn your jokes. There's an honest way to do stand-up. There's an honest way to get meat. I don't think everybody should do it.

You shouldn't have to. You shouldn't want to. A lot of people wouldn't if you told the average person all right you want chicken and just show him like six hens alive and it was like you want chicken there you go yeah that motherfucking chicken were rocked before a motherfucker was able to skin it and do whatever they do to it but that's just how we're being raised. It's a denial issue. It's not a reality issue. Because the reality is we're still eating animals like crazy.

The denial is no one's killing them. There's like a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny percent. So you got to get somebody to do your dirty work. Exactly. So because someone's doing your dirty work, you don't think it's dirty. But everybody can. This is the shit that gets vegans caught out there.

Yeah. This conversation will turn a motherfucker to a vegan. A little bit. Yeah. Look, there's a reason why so many people accept veganism. It's because there's a lot of really good points. The biggest point is less animal cruelty. You don't want to see animals suffer.

I don't want to see animals suffer. Yeah, but you know what? I don't hear. You were absolutely right but i don't hear people push that side of it as much as the the um dietary habits of it yeah you know on my side i hear like it's carrots and this but you don't hear about no it's more about the animals you know what it really is there's two things it's it really is all about you don't hear about, no, it's more about the animals. You know what it really is? There's two things. It's,

it really is all about the animals for a lot of them. And they're really right that it's better than the standard American diet that you eat and vegan food and healthy vegetable food all the time. As long as you do it correctly, it's way better than the standard American diet. But it's also like fish is good for you. Just is. It's good for you.

Piece of salmon, piece of salmon is good for you. Wild salmon. That shit fish is good for you It just is Piece of salmon is good for you Wild salmon, that shit is really good for you Tuna is good for you This idea that it's not good for you is kind of crazy Like meat is good for you The real problem is sugar and bullshit And you guys got that sorted out with the vegan diet And some people have it sorted out with another diet

The whole idea is to keep the poison out That's all it is They just get overzealous And then when people have an idea out with another diet. The whole idea is to keep the poison out. That's all it is. Right. They just get overzealous. And then when people have an idea of something that they're doing that they think everybody should do, then they start telling everybody they should do it. And then you don't want to listen. Yeah, then they come to people to tell it, and then they listen. Dude, when I was a little kid.

That's like with the fucking, the straws and the turtle shit. Straws and a turtle? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole shit, that started. Plastic straws. Yeah, it was like one motherfucker turtle. And I understand it reaching out, but now you can't fuck with plastic straws. Yeah, there was someone, I retweeted their post.

I wish I could remember who the fuck said it, but they were laughing about how you can't buy straws, but at Starbucks they still have those plastic lids. I know. Every straw is made out of paper now. You can't buy it. You got to ask for it. And then you get a paper straw, and that shit gets all sloppy. It's just bullshit.

But I understand it. But somebody started it, and motherfuckers are fucking running with it. Well, you know, they can make hemp plastic that's biodegradable. They don't have to use the same stupid plastic that's made out of oil. Everything hemp is about to change the world. About to. Shout out to natural cannabis. These people told me they gave you one of those books.

Most likely. You probably have. It's got artwork. It's really, really dope. The cannabis people did? Natural cannabis. But it's like, you know, in our business, people are always handing us. Yeah.

Always. But this was like, it was art. It was like just little nugs of each strand. And then it had where it from. They had a different artist designed it. Tate Fletcher gave me that. That was that big ass book he gave me at the comedy store. Yeah.

I saw Tony with one. And then Ivy over there, he gave me one. And it's dope as shit. But this is the first time I saw something that made me look like okay this is the direction like everybody's gonna be involved with this dude these dudes everybody

these dudes over here brought me a war case that war chest over there with that championship belt on the top of it that war chest

at the bottom that box that's all weed man Jesus Christ Jesus Christ I'm gonna open it up it's got LEDs you wanna see what it looks like yeah hell yeah fuck yeah look at this That's all weed, man. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. I'm going to open it up. It's got LEDs.

You want to see what it looks like? Yeah, hell yeah. Fuck yeah. Look at this. I got this box from Mike Tyson. Joe is walking over to the box. Can I video a little bit? He might have forgotten that no one has a microphone. No microphone.

Yeah. No microphone. That's all weed. Man. Sorry, folks. It's all right. no microphone yeah no microphone that's all weed man sorry folks it's alright I don't want to leave you hanging ladies and gentlemen

but yeah I'll be right back but I'm stopping everything everything's gotta be legal I think today's the birth of a new podcast

someone already bought they already bought too soon with Donnell.com oh beautiful so he has to start it beautiful they bought it they're gonna get it to us and we're gonna paypal them like regular white people i'll do is the cow use the cash app i'll sign up tomorrow i'll use the code word rogan and i'll get five bucks that's hilarious just grab shit Whatever you want man

That's the whole deal with that box That's the box of doom Shout out to Gino from LA Speedweed For hooking that up If you're in the middle of nowhere Or you're in one of those States that's still clinging To prohibition

You don't understand I know Have it all We'll get you a bag if you want You want a bag? Yeah, take a bag Yo, you got drops and shit This place is where we get arrested for all this

And here in California Yo, you got drops and shit Drops Yeah The future of California is 100% legality for all this. And here in California, drops. Yeah. The future of California is 100% legality. We're legal. These other states, their future,

they need to catch up. They need to pass some laws. We're living in the future. We're living in the legal weed future. Yo, I'm telling you, man, this shit, yo, this shit right here, LA would make you a snob so

yo la when you go back to the west coast i mean any other coast for la when you go back people like uh i got weed and you'll be like this what strand and they're like what the fuck you mean what's true i got some loud i got some fire i got some some gas. But this is dope. Yeah, but you can't underestimate weed in some places. One time, Ari and Joey Diaz and I, we got cocky. We were doing a show in Philly, and they gave us some weed. We were like, it's Philly weed, man. Oh, yeah, that's the worst. When you name it after the city, you say it's Philly weed?

We thought it was going to be like low-grade weed because it's in Philadelphia. But the guy got a hold of some OG Kush strains from like 2001 and brought it back to Philly, and we were crippled. But you guys had to be the type of company that you knew you would have to find the best shit. Yeah, well, he didn't know it was going to be that good. Like if I knew it was California weed,

I would have backed off. Right, it's a different thing. Once you say California, well, going to be that good. Right. Like, if I knew it was California weed, I would have backed off. Right. It's a different thing. Once you say, hey, California, well, and Denver's got that. Yes. I wonder who's going to be the next gangsta state. Oregon. Don't got the right ring.

You know Oregon. No. It's got to be like Philly. Something that you can say really quick. Yeah. But it's hard to find bad weed today. Weed's everywhere now. Yeah, you got to think about the type of friends you have that would give you bad weed. Yeah, there's no need for that. I got a beat for this chick at this comedy club down in Tampa or something.

I was like, you got some weed? She was like, yeah, I got some weed. I was like, all right. or something. I was like, you got some weed? She was like, yeah, I got some weed. I was like, alright. So she gave me this joint and she said, yeah, it's some shit weed, but here you go. And I said, what are you giving it to me for?

She was like, you wanted the weed? I was like, why would I want some shit weed? She got mad at me as if I was ungrateful. I wanted to say, bitch, you smoke it. That's what I wanted to say. I wanted to say it, but I couldn't, son. But I'm like this, yo, why would I want to say Bitch you smoke it That's what I wanted to say I wanted to say it

But I couldn't son But I'm like this Yo Why would I want to smoke Some weed that you just Told me Was garbage Just to say thank you

Fuck that You can keep that shit It makes sense to keep it right Yes Damn is this child proof I look like a crack head son They're making some of those Hard to get off now

I swear they're not Oh bam Look at that shit These are the best You can tell That's good stuff I know Is this childproof? I look like a crackhead. They're making some of those hard to get off now. I swear they're not. Oh, bam. Look at that shit. These are the best. You can tell. That's good stuff. I know.

It's quite potent. I know. There's different levels. There's three different ones, three different colors. Find what you like. We got some batteries back there, too. Yo, that's why I don't have some. Why do I feel like it's Christmas right now, man?

It is. Go grab one of those. Zip up. There's a few of them. There's three or four of them. It is. Go grab one of those. Zip up. There's a few of them. There's three or four of them. Where are these? These are the joints. Yeah. No, I like those little vape pens.

They're great. And you could regulate it. They're good. Once you figure out what it is. What are these? This is a charger. For that? Yeah.

Once you feel like what it is, like you get. Why does the little battery look like it changed? No, just a usb that's a usb port screws into the bottom of the base of the battery all right don't nobody move stay still oh where hold on no damn it feel like you're in a hospital when you get out you like got a rope you got you got oh i'm about to get a shot. Yeah, that's a weird thing. Oh, is that a disposable battery? No. Rechargeable with that little USB thing? That thing right there?

Does it work? What do you got to do with that one? Is that a five presser? I didn't check. Five, no, I don't think so. Sometimes you press them five times. Yeah, no, it's gone. There you go.

It just works. Oh, there you go. Ta-da. Get started. Powerful L.A. Speed Week. Yo, this looks so cool man yeah it is cool

yeah but in LA we get it delivered folks alright Joe keep rubbing it in man all these people out there keep rubbing it in like we're not gonna meet you

on the corner like we get it flown in all I'm saying is aspire aspire to inspire keep moving but you can in California

you can can you mail weed? No. No. But you can fly with it. They will let you fly at LAX. Yeah, I went to one of you motherfuckers to get caught with that because everybody, you're the third person, not caught, but you're the third person to say how easy it is. Everybody's like this.

Oh yeah, they'll let you. I'm like, okay. They won't let you land though. That's the issue. That's what the problem was. Somebody in Boston told me that shit. Yeah, if you land in Delaware, they'll put you. I'm like, okay. They won't let you land, though. That's the issue. That's what the problem was. Somebody in Boston told me that shit. Yeah, if you land in Delaware, they'll put you in a hole. Yo, then what the fuck?

It's like you can't do it. No, it's still stupid in a bunch of states. It's only legal in, what, nine states now? I think it's legal in nine states and maybe a few more medically. How many all told? Legality, recreational. I think it's still only four so what is that but it's nevada too so it's nevada nevada nevada nevada california oregon washington colorado that's five okay so five uh and boston boston is six dc in recreational in Massachusetts Yep I think

Check on that I think it passed when we were there But they might not have their stores open yet Sort of thing Oh Ohio just passed medical And they just are now Medical

See what Massachusetts has I'm pretty sure Massachusetts is recreational Come on man We're grown adults Yo I feel like something else needs to go in here Joe It is It is? Yeah Massachusetts is Oh Oh, no.

What do you mean? No, it's a pretty ass pouch. It's pretty, right? Yeah, it's nice. Yeah. What company is that? What does it say on it? Loud. Loud. Shout out to Loud. Loud and clear. I love those little things. Yeah, that's cool.

You know what? That's a good dose before you go on stage. Just a little quick. Just a little, woo, just. You know what? That's a good dose before you go on stage. Just a little quick. Just a little, woo, just a little pick me up. Just a little, woo. Yep. What is your pre-show ritual? Do you have one?

No. No, I like to have, like you said, two puffs of weed. Two puffs. Little puffs or deep tracks? No, little puffs. You know dave got me back on blunts really yeah i know you got me on the first place when you hit me with the blunt um when i first walked i was like yo joe slow down man we get it you're cool motherfucker that's all we use most of the time now. Yeah. When Charlie Murphy got me on him the first time, and then I was like, this is an interesting experience to be high and then nicotine high at the same time. The two of them together are unique.

Right. It's a different feeling. And then I didn't do it again for a long time until I smoked with Dave and John Mayer. Name drop. We're both smoking that stuff. He's a nice guy. Yeah, he's a dope guy. He's a very, very nice guy.

He walked around with these vapor shit that squirt out. Smells? Smells and shit. Oh, like aromatherapy? Yes, man. This motherfucker just, I'm telling you. You got to watch out because he'll just, you can tell when he got his aromatherapy thing in his hand because he's just doing like this right and then he'll just

come by you and be like so how's everything right and then it's probably real though it's real but he's supposed to give me one of the motherfucking machines give him a wand yeah give you a wand i'm like i like the role it's he had like it was um like lavender or something he was like it was like lavender or something. He was like. It was a crazy color. Crazy way. He was like just kept just doing like this. Like he was a wizard of that. What's that smell that you got to be careful of? Oh, patchouli.

What is patchouli? Patchouli equals hippies. Right? That's a plant? Is it a plant? Patchouli oil. It's like a type of oil that like people were wearing. Like a lot of hipsters were wearing.

Right? Is it a hipster thing or a hippie? More hipp hippie but what is it supposed to do just a stinky oil yeah people put on a patchouli oil put it up here and here i have some lotion i don't have it with me like organic with some um magical elements that's pretty good magical elements yeah yeah so what is john mayer trying to do with this aromatherapy wand he's waving around everywhere i think he just wants people's sinuses to be open man i think he cares about people breathing that's that's considerate you know but he was when he has it he's like a different person i mean it's like he's like like it's powerful and he brings it around people that have been drinking so So now you got to mix the smell of fucking rum with his goddamn lavender machine.

And he only has one machine. So once he gets you addicted to it, you got to chase him. And he's a little too handsome. I don't even care about that part. I just don't want me chasing him for smells. Because the last two times I've seen him I was like

John man What's up with the Fucking vapor thing He was like You like that don't you Like he's got like a pimp He wants to hold it back From you

Yeah I'm gonna find out Who makes it I'm gonna get my own You should get your own Yep Maybe I can get them To sponsor my new podcast I bet they would do it

Too soon Too soon I like it It's born right here Yep It's inevitable I like it It's perfect

I get to talk How often do I have to do it? Anytime you want Really? That's the thing, yeah Yeah, you can take time off Ari Shafir, when he went to Asia He went on a walkabout

For like, what is it? Three months? More than three months Ari Shafir vanished Off the face of the earth, disconnected from social media, from his phone, from his email, everything. Bought a burner phone and went to Asia. Just traveled around for months and months and months and months and months

and he just didn't do anything. And then he came back. He came back after three, four months and it just picked right up where it left belong before and now he's doing one a week. I want to do it, man. I got to do it. It's easy.

You could literally do it from your phone. I got to do it and it's like, I think people want me to do it. I think I want you to do it. I'm going to do it. Let's do it.

I think Jamie wants you to do it. Jamie. Is that it? Yeah, people want you to do it. That's simple, man. So simple. I don't got to dance. I make power moves.

We'll help you out. It's super easy. Say, little bitch, you can't simple. I don't got to dance. I make power moves. We'll help you out. It's super easy. Say, little bitch, you can't fuck with me if you wanted to. These are expensive. These are red bottoms. These are bloody shoes. Say, little bitch, you can't fuck. That's what I'm saying.

You can't fuck with me if you wanted to. You could use that as your opening music. Man, I'm telling you, that's it. Say, Lord, you can't fuck with me if you wanted to. These is spencil. These is red. These is gutter. These is butter.

These is Brooklyn shoes. Say, Lord, bitch, you can't fuck with me if you wanted to. These is spencil, these is butters. These is Brooklyn shoes. Please welcome Too Soon. Hit the store, cop them both. Bitch, I don't got to choose. And I'm quick.

Cut a nigga up so don't get comfortable. That's it, son. No bleeps It's perfect I wanna do it The thing is Yeah, no bleeps Ever

Do it as you want No bleeps All fuck ups and all Let it roll Yeah, man I wanna do it You should do it I am gonna do it

100% Yeah, everybody was My friends Everybody was like Ge geeked out. You're doing Joe's podcast. You're doing Joe's podcast. That's awesome. That's awesome.

That's awesome. I'm like, I can't wait. But my friend keeps telling me, he says, Donnell, fuck that. Do your own. You should do your own. He's right. Your friend loves you. It's quite obvious.

It's making a lot of sense. I like the fact that I know motherfuckers that got wolves. Wolves? That's a wolf outside, right? Yeah. American werewolf in London. Yeah. I don't know how to feel.

It feels very... You can... You know, the thing about your podcast, too, is with technology today, you could literally do all of it on a phone like you don't need if you don't feel like if you feel like fucking around for a little bit getting your feet wet you could do everything from your phone you could stream from your phone you record from your phone you do everything what about could i do um just um just if i've recorded i know that maybe an app but but if I recorded my voice memo,

just what is important just to have my voice or has to be on a certain platform? Oh, yeah. Well, the voice recorder on a phone, on an iPhone, the voice notes, I have made at least a dozen podcasts. So I can use that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just with that, that's been a dozen podcast a lot of them on planes like me and tony hinchcliffe would be on a plane i just have the phone between us we just start talking shit and drinking cocktails and laughing so the more important thing is the

conversation yeah yeah it doesn't it doesn't matter i mean there's as long as you do your like right now we have a real professional setup we have a desk we have microphones jamie's a real audio engineer. He knows exactly what he's doing. Everything sounds amazing. But as long as you put the effort to give people a good solid product, occasionally you can have one where you're just talking on a phone. Right. They won't be upset.

It'll actually be kind of cool. Right. Like people will know, oh, these guys are on a plane. You can hear the stewardess comes over. We're talking to her. But I like that. Is that not normal? No, it's not normal

But you could totally do that too The thing is like If you just started doing that People would love it And then let it just Sort of figure its own You know as it gets bigger Figure its own path

But you don't You don't need a big investment To start You just need one of them Little zoom recorders I got a zoom Yeah perfect Microphone

Two microphones I'm ready bro I need to just do it bro Just do it I just gotta do it And you could do it You know here's the thing Here's the thing

With me While I was probably Somewhat hesitant I'm like Man everybody Got a goddamn podcast Yes but But

The but If you're with the right Network of people And you're with the right Network of people People recognize If you're in the network Of people We were talking about you did theo's show you do my show you'll do joey diaz's show have you done joey's show yet i haven't done you'll do joey's show everybody does

everybody's show and everybody does it yeah all these guys funny people you do their show and then everybody knows oh okay and then it's all in the same group of people and everybody gets a bump everybody gets a bump everyone if gets a bump. Everyone. As long as everybody is succeeding and everybody's doing well and there's more and more podcasts. And if I say, hey, you should see this guy's podcast. You should see Donnell's podcast. Can I say something right now, Joe? For all the black people that are listening right now, could you please take a note of what Joe just said for the last minute? Networking.

You got to network. All the family.. Networking. You got to network. All the family. It's everything. And more importantly, everybody gets a bump. Everybody gets a bump. Everybody gets to eat. Including me. Everybody who's even the people that are making more money, everything's better for everybody.

And it feels better. It feels better when everybody's doing great. Man, I'm telling you, I'm with you 100% on that. And that's like, I'm with you 100% on that. And it's not, it's really simple. Yeah, it's really simple. It's hard when you're struggling. Because when you're struggling, you feel isolated and you feel alone.

You feel like it's you versus everybody else. But it's really not. And one of the things about comedians is we've we've had this conversation many times we try to figure out what the number is i don't know what the number is but it might be less than a thousand on the whole planet on the whole planet earth of seven billion people there might be a thousand legit comedians and i'm probably being real generous when i say that i'm with you 100 if i run into a dude like you or a you know any other real legit comedian, that is a rare human being. There's not a whole lot of us.

If we don't stick together, who the fuck will? Nobody. Whose alarm's going off? Dude, you going to sleep? Yeah, no. Mine. Damn. Oh, my God.

We're in a dream. No, I'm kidding. Imagine if that alarm went off and I woke up to pee. I was like, fuck, I was dreaming. Yo, you got me wanting to do a podcast, son. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'd be like, this is an epic podcast I'ma do it I'ma do it This is the epic podcast Yeah man

I really I really believe that I'ma do it I really do believe that But I believe that About all that shit It's all It's good for everybody

It's good for all of us It makes sense That's what I was saying I was making a point Not being funny But making a point And I was like Black folk that are

Listening right now Listen to the strategy And listen to what He just said Listen to what he just said listen what he just said it's it has nothing to do with anything other than community all the other shit that's in your head in terms of competitiveness is in your own head when you have that stage that's your stage you're there for 15 minutes or 20 minutes whatever your set is that's. What everybody else does should be fuel. It should inspire you. And we should support each other because there's not many of us.

But I'm telling you, bro, and I'm with you 100%. But that is one of the troubling factors in a lot of communities. Like the support goes away. You know what I mean? Motherfuckers talk. They talk. Everybody talk. But do you know why i really believe this why the support goes away famine mentality famine what do you famine they feel like there's not enough for everybody everybody had this feeling for the longest time if there's not enough for everybody and i think that's a crazy way to think

of things there's more than enough for everybody there's 300 million people how many fucking people do you need in your audience? You should realize if you really enjoyed doing stand-up, you'd want these people to become fans of stand-up. So you'd want to tell them about all these other comedians. Tell them about Joey Diaz. Tell them about fill-in-the-blank, Tony Hinchcliffe. Whoever it is that you think is hilarious, tell them. Tell them.

There's a lot out there to see, man. This is a great time Yeah but motherfuckers I'm telling you Certain communities They just don't wanna They don't wanna tell motherfuckers To be just on their On their self And themselves so much That they don't wanna Help

They don't wanna reach out I know And it's like You know what I'm saying Like the conversation You're having with me right now It's simple for you Because you know

Those are the type of friends And those are the type of people You deal with But some people You know what I mean I do know what you mean You know what I mean they have other fuck that shit like yeah i look at it like people i hang with chapelle and these other guys like we are like i went around some powerful motherfuckers but we're friends first and foremost but everybody don't think like that

yeah that's a tough one it is a tough one but it's just a matter of a shift in the way you view things just look at it just try don't don't let go of your beliefs just try to look at it in another way try to look at it another way so you're way better off if you're a team you're way better off if there's camaraderie like when you do a show when you do a show with someone who's a murderer a murderer and they go on in front you, you're way better off if you're laughing. Yeah. When you go on that stage, you're way better off if you're loose. Like, you just had a good time laughing.

But if you're tense, like I told you I bombed with Jim Brewer. Yeah. I was backstage freaking out. I was like, God damn, I got to follow this. How the fuck am I going to follow this? But you was younger then. I was way younger. But I was going to eat shit.

I knew I was going to eat shit. But another thing, Joe, it probably wasn't't and it wasn't probably it's hard to get away from whatever your first experience is going to be you know i say it's probably your first experience it happened like that like a real bomb like a like a like a oh i could do shit about it yeah like i was supposed to do 45 minutes i got off stage at 35 but you went back in the gym i did i had to yeah but that the thing is like jim and i have always been friends and i've been friends with a lot of people That made me eat shit Going on after them

It didn't matter The thing about it is that Like And I've Even after all these years I feel genuinely Genuinely honored To be a part

Of this group of people Yeah Cause we do something That is my favorite thing to watch It's a That's a group of people But like you say It's like a limited circle Of like Yeah There's no other way to say it But a that's a group of people but like you say it's like a limited

circle of like yeah there's no other way to say it but real motherfuckers it's a small circle there's some okay motherfuckers right right right you know it's about fuckers like you like they say you think somebody say somebody name and you're like this okay okay and they're like no you're like i heard you right you're like i you. But this is the real folks. And like you say, they got to stay united. I tell you, a couple weeks ago when I was with Dave and he said, comedians, it's time to grab our balls because now more than ever, we are the only people that we have to talk about what's fucked up in the world. Yes.

We have to. We can't keep it to ourselves. No. It's not fair to nobody. It's too confusing right now because it's too dangerous to have any controversial ideas. People are getting in trouble

for left and right. Well, you don't have no balls, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you own it. You own it. Yep. You own it. If you own it,

you own it. Yeah. You try to machine that shit. You know? And normally, I'm telling you, if you have a good heart, people know your character. If you own it, they know what you meant to say. They know.

They know. Exactly. Come on, man. Really? Yeah. You know? If you own it. Someone was asking me, why do you think Charlie Sheen never got Me Too'd?

I was like, what are you going to do to him? He hasn't already done it himself. The guy abc good morning america talking about smoking rocks you know why you know why they didn't meet nobody me too because they didn't want him to have another show ah right yo keep thinking about it yeah if he would have got me too he'd have been the headlines and he would have found his show somewhere let's talk about that like collectively there was a period of time Where Hollywood lost Their fucking mind

And they were giving out These deals Where if you got A certain amount of episodes They signed you up For a hundred episodes And that's what happened With Anger Management

Charlie Sheen's show Charlie Sheen made more money Off that show Than he did even off Three and a half men But people don't know that People don't know that He knows that

He's the only one That needs to know Yeah he's the only one But it to know. Yeah, but it's a crazy story. They used to sign shows. TV's $200 million Charlie Sheen experiment. They used to sign these shows, and they would sign these shows in the anticipation of it being a huge success. So they did that with him. They did it with George Lopez.

And they gave him the money up front? They give you a certain percentage. I don't know how it's structured but apparently the point is they sign up for a giant number of shows not 13, not 22 they sign you up for a giant number of shows and by doing that somehow or another

right after Charlie Sheen had his whole scandal leaving two and a half men he went on to make way more money than ever before that's crazy he's got he's got a crazy career man legit movie star gigantic tv star also talks about smoking smoking a lot of crack right was it crack he's talking about a coke what's he saying i think crack doing yeah doing drugs yeah i don't think i've ever had a crack conversation with anybody i don't think so either ever had a crack conversation with anybody i don't think so either there's no crack advocates no people you're like this nobody nobody's like yo

last night was a little weird you know i mean like yo i had too many you can't say you got too many beers too many glasses why i had too many crack rocks come on man yeah there's a certain darkness to giving into that glass dick once you start going down that road, you know you've made a choice. There's no critical thinking involved there. That's debauchery. That's the happiness you chose. Everybody chooses different happinesses. I had a friend who did a lot of crack back in New York.

It was weird. He would have to drink like 40 ounces of malt liquor to try to calm down because he'd be just so jacked up from the crack. I had a crackhead friend. I was like, I gave him so many opportunities just to be cool, and he gave me a crackhead experience once. It was at McDonald's, bro. We was waiting for McDonald's, and we gave him the money.

They was like, what happened? I was like, oh, man. We were like, we know you're a crackhead, but don't crack us you know i'm saying go outside of our community but like here don't do that bro yeah my friend was brilliant too brilliant brilliant guy but he had just like mental problems and he just needed to get high all the time he had never wanted to be his escape yeah yeah he never wanted to be alone with his thoughts that's a tough one for a lot of people. It was a real one for him because he was brilliant. He's a brilliant guy.

But he was also homeless half the time I knew him. You know? It was a lot going on, man, with him. A lot going on. But he was... Nobody could help him? No. He was too stubborn. He wouldn't listen.

He would just vanish and disappear and do drugs for a few days then come back and he could do math in his head like you could say to him 99 times 54 times 6 minus 5 divided by 3 and when he was sober yeah and he would just bang it out he would just tell you what it is quick uh he would tell you and like you would be there with a calculator like you motherfucker yeah it was crazy but he couldn't he couldn't manage his own brain to the point where he could stay away from hard drugs and eventually die of an overdose yeah that's usually uh yeah the end of that one that's how it goes that's usually how that one goes bro yeah it's not to me yeah it's like this yeah like not to me motherfuckers come back from that they don't come back from the from that They don't come back

From the needle Nope They don't come back From none of this shit It's hard I mean it is possible But you need some help Yeah

That's one of the reasons Why that 12 step shit works We really give in to God Or the higher power It's like you're You're gonna have to Somehow or another Think there's something

More important than What you're doing Otherwise you're never Gonna stop this shit Yeah but those people Become like big sex addicts and shit, too. Coffee and cigarettes. You're like, motherfuckers, anybody you know that used to be a heroin addict, they want

to fuck everything. All the time. They want a coffee. Son, they want coffee and some ass, son. They don't give a fuck, son. Give me the ass first, coffee, whatever it is. You do know, yo, that's so fucking funny. So true.

Everybody did not know they had a situation. Them motherfuckers on coffee hard as shit. They don't ever get rid of those tendencies. They just try to figure out a way to- Put it somewhere else. Yeah, put it in a positive way. It's more socially acceptable. Yeah, or it's marathon running or some shit.

Yeah. There's a lot of those guys. Nigga hard. Those newly gym motherfuckers. This could go on and on. Donnell, I think we birthed a new podcast today.

Yo, you know what I just did? And I know there's a reason why I'm here. There's a reason why I bumped into you in the show.

And we see each other in passing. We've been talking about doing this for a long time. You know what I mean? But I don't, like, when I see you in the comedy club,

I'm like this, yo, that motherfucker working. I'm working. What's up? I mean? But I don't, like, when I see the comedy club, I'm like this, yo, that motherfucker working. I'm working. What's up? I know you're Joe Rogan, yada, yada. But I was like, you know, you do your shit. I'm like, but when I see you, I be like, dude, it work.

I'm glad we had this conversation. I just did Bert's cooking show. And I took that shit over, son. They was like, yo, this might be my week of getting shows, son. They was like, yo, you still cooking show and i took that shit over son they was like yo this might be my week of getting shows son they was like yo you should do a cooking show right i went to burt shit burt was like this i think i just gave my show to donnell right then i come here then joe rogan's like yo donnell let's do a show we can do it right here like you have to do a show fuck it let's do it you have to do a show yeah and like i said you start off easy Just put a microphone on your iPhone. It's nothing.

It's easy to do. I got all that. I'm going to do it. Beautiful. Yes. Hey, this was a lot of fun, brother. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

My pleasure, sir. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. That was a good time, man. Always good to see you, man. And congratulations. Congratulations on all your success in however many years you've been doing it. Because when I was first introduced, I knew like Fear Factor.

I didn't even know that you did stand-up until I cameactor. You know, I didn't even know that you did stand up until I came out here. Wow. I didn't even know that. You know what I thought? I was like, oh, that's the TV nigga, right? I don't believe this, son. I was like, that's the TV nigga right there, right? That TV nigga do podcasts too?

And then I was like, that nigga do stand up too? And I was like, all right, but he a podcast nigga, right? And then when I saw you do your show, I was like, he a go-hard motherfucker, son. I appreciate your work ethics in everything you do. Thank you, brother. I appreciate you too, man. I appreciate your perspective on comedy, your approach, your ethics, the whole deal, man. I appreciate you.

I appreciate you being around the comedy store too. It's awesome. Thanks. All right. Don L, ladies and gentlemen music