The Joe Rogan Experience - #125 - Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, Eddie Bravo

Episode Date: July 27, 2011

Joe sits down with Giorgio A. Tsoukalos and Eddie Bravo.

Mr. Tsoukalos is ready to throw the fuck down! This is the magic of fucking Twitter, ladies and gentlemen, and the internet. Just something happened, I don't remember what we were tweeting about, but all of a sudden Giorgio tweets me back, and I tweet him, and I say, you wanna do my podcast? And he says, fuck yeah, and boom! And then we meet in Vegas, and we're hanging out in Vegas like we've known each other forever. A great fucking time. Thank you, dude. It was a lot of fucking

fun, man. Giorgio's a cool cat. And, uh, I mean, one of my favorite shows of all time. I love that Ancient Aliens. I've got a big stack of them. I don't necessarily agree with everything, but I don't think you do either. I think it's a lot of who knows, right? I mean, that's what I got from

you talking to you in Vegas. I was like, man, maybe this dude's crazy. Maybe he's going to tell me Atlantis was a spaceship and it flew away. You know what I mean? But you were like really open to any possibility, which I truly admire in a person. You know, so many people are married to their fucking ideas,

even preposterous ideas. Like, you know, that David Icke guy really fucking believes that there's reptilians that are running this planet. You know, like, and he says he's got facts and information. Motherfucker, have you seen a reptilian? If you haven't, how can you be sure? How can you be...

When you hear stuff like that, now, you're in the business of this wild, crazy UFO world where so many people look down on anything that's even remotely outside of the mainstream. All of it gets ridiculed. But when you see a guy like David Icke, do you ever say,

I wonder if this motherfucker works for the government? Because he says so much cool shit and so much shit that makes sense, and then he starts talking about reptilians. And you've got to go, well, that's classic disinformation that's like the move that's like you know if you want to piss in the well what you do is you throw a bunch of shit in there that really makes sense like the cia killed jfk and you know we were in vietnam for money and the military industrial complex really does run things just just like Eisenhower said.

Plus, there's a base on the moon, and we've been going there telepathically for years, and what we do is we have a place where we go where we teleport people, and you have to be naked, and that's why women aren't allowed to be on the base. And they'll go, what the fuck are you talking about, man? And by throwing all that wacky shit in there, you kind of piss on all the stuff that is interesting. throwing all that wacky shit in there, you kind of piss on all the stuff that is interesting. Because you know, you can say, well, wait a minute, this guy said that the CIA killed Kennedy, but didn't he also talk about the wacky shit on the moon? Right? Yeah, no, absolutely. So, I mean, to me, it's a very easy solution.

You go with your gut feeling, because there are people out there that say some really crazy stuff, but at the same time, some of the stuff they do say also carries some merit. Right. That's a problem though, isn't it? Of course it is. But you know what? At the end of the day, you it. I think it's crazy, whatever, but that's your own choice. Because in the end, we all make a choice of what we believe in, what ideas we subscribe to, and if some of that stuff is crazy, guess what? I mean, if you look at science today, a science book, there are all these different theories in there and ideas, and it's pretty much the cutting edge of knowledge. But if you look at a textbook from 200 years ago, which was published at a university, that too was considered the cutting edge of knowledge at the time. Now, if you look at that textbook today, 200 years later, and 99% of that knowledge in there is obsolete. Is that true? Like, what has been really disproven?

Like, what field has been completely reworked over the last 200 years? Because there's thorough stuff that's useless. I know most stuff gets updated, but how much of it is, like, completely obsolete, I wonder? Well, you know, I mean, it all comes down to, you know, medicine. Right. There were certain procedures that at the time were considered to be perfect, like radiation treatment. I don't know what happened.

Oh, that's right. We're actually broadcasting this from the station on Mars, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, this is telepathically done. This is a complete... Yeah, shit. Shit goes down. It gets ugly. This is telepathically done. Shit goes down. It gets ugly. You know the thing you said about David Icke? Alex Jones used to be a fan.

Alex Jones used to hate David Icke and totally think he was a show. He was on YouTube calling him a show. And now they're friends. They go on each other's shows. But we know Alex. I wanted you to hang out with Alex that one weekend in Vegas

because you're a big Alex Jones fan. I love Alex. Listen, brother, I love Alex, Alex. I wanted you to hang out with Alex at one weekend in Vegas because you're a big Alex Jones fan. I love Alex. Listen, brother, I love Alex, too. I love Alex, too. But come on, let's hang out with the dude.

And then you get a better sense of what Alex... Alex Jones is Alex Jones 24-7. Whether it's there's a fucking conspiracy to keep him

from getting a cigarette or a... She's trying to keep me from that beer. This woman who works at the bar knows I want a beer, sees me,

avoids me, avoids eye contact. I've been told by the management to keep me from having a beer it was about the tickets everything, anything he was worried that we weren't really going to get him the UFC tickets I'm like brother, you're good, you're my friend we're cool he's a great guy but he's crazy

and you have to be crazy to dig for the truth that much. And like I say about Alex, he's right about a lot of shit. I don't know what the percentage is. I always throw out a number. Like, he's right about 70%. But the 30% fucks him. That he just, you know, kind of fills in the blanks. There's a lot of filling in the blanks. But the 70% that he's, or whatever

number it is, that he is right. It's worth it. It's shocking. And he's a perfect example of what you were talking about before, where you have to kind of use your own filter. There's a lot of stuff that he says that has an incredible amount of merit. It's absolutely correct. And there's some stuff that he says, you just go, what? What the fuck are you

talking about? He gets crazy. He doesn't go reptilian crazy, but he gets deep end, new world order. He gets like eugenics crazy. He gets like he's sure they have a population decrease plan where they're going to kill off most people except for 500,000 elites who are going to be able to live forever. I'm like, man, you've got to have some fucking rock-solid evidence to throw that one around. You can't just toss that out like a beach ball that the elites are going to kill out

fucking all the population except 500,000. Maybe someone's thought that up. You know, I'm not saying it's outside of the realm of possibility. Your business, though, is filled with that. I mean, look, there are hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy, and we have already spotted so many of them over the last couple decades, or a couple years, rather, that are in the Goldilocks zone, where they know could possibly inhabit life. They spotted, I don't know what the number are, but it increases all the time.

They're constantly finding planets that could possibly support life, and planets that are older than ours, by a billion years plus. Oh, absolutely. And the fascinating thing is that, you know, in the 60s and 70s, when Eric Von Daniken first wrote Chariots of the Gods, you know, the general consensus in the 60s and 70s was that this discussion Frank Drake and Carl Sagan who proposed the idea or dabbled with the idea that we might not be the only ones in the universe. In the mainstream, legitimate scientific community. Now, today, you'd be hard pressed to find any scientist or any astronomer or

astrophysicist that will tell you that they think we're alone in the universe. So we've definitely switched where it's almost a given now that everyone thinks that, you know, intelligent life exists in the universe. However, the big taboo topic that we have today that still remains is, okay, they'll say there is life in the universe or in the galaxy, but there is no way that that intelligent life could have ever been here or visited Earth in the remote past or even present day. And that, to me, is a fallacy in logic because, granted, the distances between the stars are indeed huge. They're mind-boggling. But just because we can't get from point A to point B doesn't mean

another society that, like you mentioned or you said or inferred, that they're a billion years older than us, or their world at least is a billion years older than us. Well, I mean, we are a very, very young culture by any means of the imagination. So someone that's only 100,000 years older, I mean, they have technologies or other type of something where they combine biology with technology and things like that that we couldn't even dream of right now. Yeah, our imagination is the only thing that limits us from seeing what they could possibly have given them a thousand years in advance of us, a million years, or even a few hundred years, man.

Look what Nikola Tesla was doing in the early 20th century, and look at what's going on today. I mean, that's a gigantic monumental leap in just a little over a hundred years. That's amazing. Well, I mean, just imagine showing your great-grandpa one of our phones today. I mean, to him... Even Star Trek couldn't fuck with that, right? Exactly.

They thought you were going to be able to beam people onto a planet, but they still had walkie-talkies. You know, Kirk out. They couldn't wrap their head around the idea that you would have real-time communication on a planet. They're like, that's too stupid. Look, we can beam people there, but you can't have Google. Nobody ever thought of Google.

The idea that you can just talk into it. You Google talk, the voice thing. You press the voice thing. You go Eddie Bravo. It Googles Eddie Bravo. Wikipedia page, videos. It's fucking amazing. And even with 3G, it's not 4G yet, but it's fast as fuck, man.

Any alien species that's a thousand years from us, the idea that we're going to know what they can do is absolutely silly. We already understand the principle of folding space-time and meeting those two points and having a gateway, something, they know the possibility of this existing in the universe. Completely theoretical, but so many things were theoretical just a couple of hundred years ago. I mean, look at what they're doing right now with CERN, with this Higgs-Boson Collider, and the Clark-Luan plasma, the particle that they've created.

One sugar cube is 40, or 440 billion tons. I forget which one, either one, it's fucking crazy, it's a goddamn sugar cube is 440 billion tons. I forget which one. Either one. It's fucking crazy. It's a goddamn sugar cube. You know? And the fact that they're going to come up with this, they're hinting that they're really close to discovering the God particle,

this Higgs-Boson particle. Yes. This is us today in 2011. Something a thousand years from now. My thought is always, though, that why would we even see it? They could come as clouds. You don't think they're going to be able to disguise themselves as a fucking tree or just not not be visible at all be around us right now and that is the you know the same allegory i sometimes like to use is if you have

um you know some patio lighting out on your patio and you have a cat and that cat likes to go on the outside in the patio every night and you look up to the sky or look up to the patio lights, sees the lights, and the cat might think, yeah, this is very pretty, it's beautiful, but that cat has no concept of what goes into those patio lights, that there's electricity, plastic, wiring, all these different things, which means that that is exactly the concept of extraterrestrials as well, which means that that is exactly the concept of extraterrestrials as well, that they can conceivably show up as some type of shapeshifters or something,

and not just into people, but into objects or something, because they would use exactly the same what we use today, and that's technology. But there's something involved where just because we can't figure it out doesn't mean it does not exist. Yeah, I always say, I always bring up what I call the fart theory when it comes to aliens. And my theory is that, the idea is that if you couldn't smell, if you didn't have a sense of smell, you would have no idea that farts existed. You had no idea that you were just sitting in someone's ass gas, right? You would have no clue. But because you have a sense of smell, this invisible thing all of a sudden becomes a reality. How do we not know there aren't a million different senses, a million

different things that are around us all the time that we just can't tune into? And all some alien has to do is tune into something that's outside of our spectrum, tune into something that's not within our natural ability to perceive. I mean, our natural ability to perceive is very similar to the people that lived 10,000 years ago and were throwing fucking pointed sticks at moving animals. There's very, very little difference between us genetically now and then. So how do we not know that the systems that we have in place are all in place for the natural world, all in place for, you know, you hear animals,

you see moving things, you smell food. They're all in place to keep us alive and keep us successful. We could very well be developing new senses because of Wi-Fi and because of all these cellular signals and the way human beings... How sick are you right now, buddy? Do you want to go home? Are you that sick that you want to go home?

I don't want you to get everybody else sick. Colds. Perfect example. It's fucking some shit flying through the air in this room right now. This guy's sick, and he's got some germs inside of his body. There's some shit that you can't see unless you get a microscope. And they're little invading animals.

They're trying to take over and kill him. So his army right now is at war. There's so much shit out there. There's so much shit out there that we can't wrap our heads around. It's happening right here at this table. Right now. There's aliens watching us in this room. How did you get into your field and how did you get on Ancient Aliens?

Well, for that I really have to thank my grandma because growing up I traveled around the world with my parents and they made sure that we would go to all those different museums and archaeological

sites and things like that and have guided tours by the resident archaeologist or the resident curator and stuff like that. But then, whenever I would come back home, my grandma would say, all right, so you've just been taught about the contemporary ideas of these particular cultures, but let me show you that other ideas and theories exist as well. So she would tell me about Atlantis. She would tell me about, you know, the ancient astronaut theory and chariots of the gods and all those different viewpoints that have been proposed by others.

So for me, these types of topics have been, I've been exposed to those at a fairly young age. I mean, this was all dinner table conversation, especially when my parents or my grandparents would visit. But at the same time, my mom, she always used to say that whenever we would have these discussions, she would say, you know, I really think that all of this that we have today, it's been here before. And I never knew what she meant. And, of course, you know, I was five, six, seven years old.

But today I know exactly and I finally understand what she meant that, you know, this is just a repetition of history. How high was she when she said this? Hey, I was too young, so I don't think. You weren't sure? Yes, no. Mom's in there talking about ancient young so i don't think we're sure yes no moms and they're talking about ancient civilizations i don't think so not my mom no she's she's lovely and all my mom got high yes tell you that right now and um you know so so the the question you know so today especially you know now that my parents are like you know for a long time they were like you're wasting your time with this yada yada. And now all I have to say is that

I am here because of my parents and my grandparents. And so it was their fault that all this happened. What year did Chariots of the Gods came out? It came out like in the 60s? Yeah, it was first published in German under the title Memories of the Future in 1968. And then it was a runaway success, and the first English edition came out in 1970,

and within eight months or so, six million copies had been sold. It was an absolute phenomenon that they called denikitis. And it was a huge success worldwide, and here we are in 2011, chariots of the gods is still red eric von daniken just turned 77 years old by the way he says hello to the entire audience he's very happy and and excited that i'm on the program so he says hello really yes absolutely listening so we're trying we're trying to get him on the program too here. Oh, dude, bring him in, man.

We'll do it remotely or something. Where does he live? He lives in Switzerland. I'll fucking fly out to Switzerland. All right. We'll definitely set something up. How weird was it when you first met him? Was that kind of crazy?

Well, I would say it was weird the first time we actually hung out and had a conversation and stuff because i had you know i had gone to some of his lectures when i was you know in my early teens so you know and you know it's it's different you've been in the game forever yeah no i mean look i started the magazine that i published you published legendary 1998 that's when you started yeah 1998 and uh and legendary times is basically all about ancient civilizations yes and and it's specifically geared towards ancient civilizations in respect to the ancient astronaut theory suggesting or exploring the idea whether or not extraterrestrials flesh and blood extraterrestrials visited earth in in the remote past. And by that, I don't mean, you know, 100 years ago,

but we're talking 5, 6, 7, 8,000 years ago from today. Sumerians. When you look at it, when you look at the Sumerian text and you look at von Däniken's work, what is your gut impression? I don't think you, if you're not making a conclusion, which way do you lean? Do you lean 50% that they were here or 50% that maybe something else happened? How do you, more than 50%?

Personally? Yes. 100% that they were here? Absolutely. Wow. What gives you the most hope or the most reason to believe this? Well, because it's, I sometimes liken it to when you're completing a puzzle. It doesn't matter how big the puzzle is, but the more pieces you put together, the more pieces you fit into place,

even when that puzzle is not yet completed, and we've all done puzzles as kids, it gets easier as you move along. as you move along. But you can, you know, stop somewhere three quarters of the way, and you can look at that puzzle, and you know exactly what the picture looks like, even though it's not yet complete, and there's a couple of pieces missing. So that is what the ancient astronaut theory, to me, is like, that there are so many indications from all ancient cultures that the conclusion, in my opinion, is inescapable. And I'm not just, you know, saying this, you know, because I'm pulling this out of my ass, but because there are stories and there are physical pieces of evidence that the only conclusion that we can draw, unless we go into the realm of the fantastical and the unlikely,

is that we have been visited by flesh and blood extraterrestrials in the past. But what is, like, if you were going to try to convince somebody, what is the most compelling evidence, in your opinion, that, you know, you said there's evidence where you cannot draw any other conclusion. What is the most compelling? where you cannot draw any other conclusion, what is the most compelling? Well, you know, and this is where I truly enjoy and respect the work of many archaeologists around the world, because they are excavating at different, you know, sites and different monuments, and they're truly, you know, breaking their backs for some fantastic research.

However, sometimes when you look at that research and some of the ideas that they present, there are some faults in logic there because they, for example, suggest that we have moved a block that's 1,500 metric tons heavy with a piece of string and some chicken bones. And today, our cranes, they tap out at 1,350 tons. So if we today... How much difference is that weight-wise? Oh, we're talking about 200 tons. So 200 tons shy is what we can do today.

Right. Right. Well we can do today. Right. Right. Well, it's heavier. So you think that is the best proof? Well, I mean, there's multiple. I mean, that one block, for example, is at the city in Lebanon called Baalbek. Yeah, I've seen that. And we've all seen that amazing stone.

That's in Chariots of the Gods, the movie. Exactly. Incredible. Yes, Heliopolis. Beyond. You've seen it, Eddie, right? Beyond. You can't even wrap your head around it.

You can't move this. Who moved this? You got the photos of that? Was it maybe just something that we're not thinking of, like it was underwater at one point and it made it easier to move rocks or anything like that? No, it doesn't make it easier to move something that big. What the possibilities are,

there's two, in my opinion. There's his idea that we've been visited by ancient aliens, and then there's the idea that civilization has been restarted several times, and that is that there's some sort of a cataclysmic event that's killed almost everybody except for a small amount of stragglers,

and they regrouped and rebuilt and rethought things out and that's one of the reasons why things come so quickly in technology is moving so fast as your mom said or grandmother whoever was that we are relearning we've done this before that it was for a and it can also be a combination of both you see that that's the thing that uh... there are can i see that picture? Of course. This is Baalbek. It's called the Stone of the Pregnant Woman.

It's one of the biggest monoliths that has ever been seen on planet Earth. To me, right there, we could not move this with our modern-day cranes. And so, you know, something happened in all of these ancient sites. Because, you know, we know, there's absolutely no question in my mind that our ancestors, I mean, they were extremely smart. They were ingenious. And obviously, did they know how to cut stones and how to transport them and things like that? However, I'm not really interested in moving around stones that are cut from limestone or from sandstone and things like this. But what I'm interested in is stuff like this where it was cut out of granite or out of diorite.

Where still today, we use diamond-tipped saws in order to cut any of these blocks that we cut today. And allegedly, our ancestors did this with copper tools. And I'm sorry, somewhere the logic just fails. The logic certainly fails that that technology that we attribute to those people, because we have to put them in the Bronze Age and the Copper age we can't put them in the age of steel but to me the logic is much more likely that we're wrong about the age of bronze and the age of steel and that people had figured out diamond tip tools like weren't there didn't they find markings inside the sarcophagus in the king's

chamber of the the great pyramid of Giza that they believe were attributed only to diamond-headed drills. Absolutely. And in Egypt, we have a very fascinating site called Abydos. And in Abydos, you have a, sorry, an abysir, not an Abydos. Abydos is where they have those weird hieroglyphics. But in Abysir, you have what's known as signatures of core drills. And a core drill is basically, if you imagine a steel tube tipped with diamonds that drills itself into the ground or into the rock, and then you break it free, you take out that tube, and inside of it you have like a pipe of that, a cord drill sample of that particular rock.

Now, in Abu Zir, we find multiple stones where we can see a signature of these types of machining that took place there. Now, a lot of people have said, oh, well, these are all modern-day occurrences, and it was done, you know, when the first modern-day cord drill machine was invented in the early 1920s. Now, when you look at the book that Sir Flinders Petrie wrote, that book was written in 1906, and it already had drawings of those cord drill holes in them, which proves that these cord drill holes that we can find at Abu Zir are not modern day creations. And that is absolutely crazy because Christopher Dunn, one of my colleagues who wrote the Giza power plant, he proved because he's a machinist. I mean,

he's an engineer and he knows this stuff like the back of his hand. So it's not like, you know, somebody walked along and said, this is how it is. But this guy that that's what he does for a living. He builds machines and he, you know, precision mechanisms and things like this. So he is trained for that kind of, you know, investigation. And he said that there is no way that this could have been done with copper tools. I mean, it's just impossible. And so, you know, there's some just wild, wild pieces of evidence that we have out there, like in Pumapunku, for example, in the Bolivian highlands at an altitude of 12,500 feet. There is this magnificent place called Tionaku that every day hundreds of tourists arrive

there and they look at it, they take pictures and then they leave as clueless as they arrive. And about 150-200 yards away from Tionaku there is another site that's very much lesser known called puma punku and at puma punku everything defies logic is defied at puma punku because the blocks of stone that we have there are pure diorite andesite and granite and they are so perfect that we today would have a hard time recreating some of these blocks. And I actually spoke to a real-life stonemason, his name is Roger Hopkins, and he looked at some of these pictures that I showed him of Puma Punku, and he said that not for any amount of money or for any amount of time would he volunteer to try to replicate some of these rocks, some of these blocks. And if a real-life stonemason says this, I mean, God bless the professors and the archaeologists,

but I'd rather listen to someone who cuts stone for a living than someone who stands before a blackboard. But this guy who cuts stone for a living, what he said was that it could be done. He said it would be really hard and he wouldn't want to do it for any amount of money, but that it could be done. Yes, but only with modern day, yes, and not with chicken bones. If we know that, if we know that it could be done with modern technology, If we know that, if we know that it could be done with modern technology, wouldn't it be more likely that modern technology is sort of a recreation of what people did learn in the past and that they probably were wiped out by some sort of a cataclysmic disaster? That, to me, seems way more likely than aliens came and moved rocks.

You know, you're saying if it would be really, really difficult for people to do it today. Well, there's a lot of stuff that would be incredibly difficult for people to do today. I'm not necessarily suggesting that aliens moved the rocks. What I'm saying is that the aliens that visited Earth gave the technology or taught the technology to humans because what they wanted to do is to leave behind messages that they were here in the past. So all those incredible monuments that we have today, like the pyramids of Giza, or Stonehen, Machu Picchu in Peru, that all those places are messages for a future generation to understand that something way different happened in our past.

That is the main reason why, for example, we have religions today and things like this. So you think that pretty much all science emanates from some sort of an alien contact? Is that what you think? No, because modern day, because, you know... Because there's a trace of modern day science. You can follow it. Yeah, exactly. Right, now let's think about this.

At what age do you think people had technology that sort of any fucking nut that crashed and, you know, the TV show lost, crashed on an island, you could recreate. What was that? Like, maybe 2,000, 3,000 years ago? No. 4,000, 5,000?

Yeah, something like that. So, like, 5,000, 6,000 years ago, they were basically living like savages, right? Supposedly. Supposedly. Clearly supposedly. Supposedly, yes. If you follow, let's give them 10,000. No, even earlier.

Okay. Look, the thing is. My point, I'm sorry, my point was that if in 10,000 years' time, people have gone from being cave-dwelling savages that were throwing pointy sticks at moving animals to people with cell phones and the Internet and wireless, and this is all created, you know, inarguably by human beings. There's a record of all these inventions and all these creations.

If this has been achieved over 10,000 years, what's to say that there wasn't some sort of a massive disaster that happened at the end of the last ice age or somewhere in there 20,000 years ago, date it, 15,000, whatever the fuck it is, and that technology died and that civilization died and it had to be reinvented by the surviving humans basically from scratch. And that even though human beings had been around for a long, long, long time before that and civilization had evolved to an incredibly high level,

all that information was lost. That, to me, is way more likely than aliens. Well, but see, here's the thing. This is where the difference lies, that when, let's say, the Sumerian culture sprung out of virtually nothing, and it happened virtually overnight,

the Sumerians were very clear in stating that they got their start in civilization by what they referred to as the anunnaki and the anunnaki translated into english means those who from the earth came yes exactly but isn't that true that that's only by that means zechariah sitchin is pretty much the main scholar of the sumerian text of belize there's a lot of other scholars that do not agree with it oh absolutely but the translation even a a quote-unquote mainstream scientist or sumerologist will say that Anunnaki means that.

I mean, that is not, for example, a Sikarai. There are quite a few things that he translated, you know, quote-unquote himself. So that's definitely a valid point. himself. So that's definitely a valid point. But there are the great majority of what he's talking about has been translated correctly. And he has used, you know, many of the most accessible and correct translations that can be found today. But even in the epic of Gilgamesh, don't they refer to a long gone, superior civilization that existed before them? Yes, but that civilization always lived, quote-unquote, somewhere else, and in the great dark void.

Now, what's the great dark void? That's a beautiful... Pasadena. I like Pasadena. I like it, too. It's a poetic way of saying compton deep space compton would have been better for it shit i fucked up yeah uh maybe maybe it is but you know you follow me what i'm saying is that like you know i i firmly believe that there's there's life

out there i mean i think the possibility is you know there's the numbers you know and i think it's also very possible that it's reached us. But I think if you look at what's more likely, if we absolutely know that people can build immense structures, if we absolutely know that civilization most likely, because of all these historical depictions of natural disasters, whether it's the Epic of Gilgamesh or Noah's Ark or a hundred different cultures that have stories of ap natural disasters, whether it's the Epic of Gilgamesh or Noah's Ark or a hundred different cultures that have stories of apocalyptic

disasters. And the volatile nature of the Earth itself, the fact that we know it's covered in craters, the fact that we know that every planet, we look at the moon and we just see craters all over the place. We know about the shifting of the polar ice caps. We know about Pangea. We know that there was intelligent life probably in some sort of

a monkey form when Pangea was around, right? Yes, no, absolutely. Pangea. We know that there was intelligent life probably in some sort of a monkey form when Pangea was around, right? Yes, no, absolutely. Pangea being, for people who don't know, the whole entire world was one continent. That's a theory. And it drifted apart. I think that, I mean, I just think that if we know for a fact that human beings are capable now of doing spectacular things,

and we have said already that if we existed 100 years more, man, imagine what we would know just Imagine what has sprung out over the last hundred three hundred years, you know And I think you had a few hundred years to that or a thousand years to that It's not unreasonable in my opinion to think that ten thousand years ago There was some sort of an event some sort of a catastrophic, maybe it's 15,000, whatever the fuck, you name it, a catastrophic event that fucked this world sideways

and killed almost everybody. To me, that is just way more likely than these people got it from some higher intelligence. Well, he's saying both of it, a combo of both. Could be.

And how many different ancient civilizations tell the people where they got their knowledge? It's not just the Sumerians. They're all telling you there's incredible monuments that puzzle us today. We're telling you that dudes from the heavens came down and showed us, but no one's believing it. We're also telling you that a guy died and came back to Earth three days later and turned water into wine.

No, but these are structures that actually you can see, and there are scientists baffled by them. What structures? What do you mean? The stuff in South America, the Mayans, all the ancient Sumerians. Well, yeah, but the Mayans, you know, their shit is totally different. I mean, they believe that a fucking plume snake created the universe, you know? But hold on a second now. That's exactly what I'm talking about. What is behind

this story of the plume snake? Mushrooms like a motherfucker. In the jungle. Hang it out. Banging hot Mayan chicks. Chilling. That's definitely an idea and a possibility. playing football with human heads but i'm trying to figure out what are the realities behind those stories i certainly think

it's a possibility i'm not ruling out that possibility oh no of course not but you know it is definitely a combination because the bottom line is that all these ancient cultures are very adamant and very specific in saying that this all happened because of a visit from beings from the stars. I mean, the star thing is very prevalent. If it were a previous civilization, or if it were, let's say, human beings, because sometimes people say, well, how come you don't, how come you're not talking about that maybe it's our civilization from the future that traveled into the past to help us with certain developments well that that can't be true because nowhere in the ancient texts do we find any reference where it says well we're just like you but we're from the future maybe it's just future

bullshit artists that's what those little gray dudes are they're just like you, but we're from the future. Maybe it's just future bullshit artists. That's what those little gray dudes are. They're just completely full of shit. They're us from the future, but they fuck with us the same way we fuck with monkeys. Like, yeah, if you get in the cage, I'll give you a banana. And the monkey gets in the cage, and you just steal him and take him to the zoo.

And you give him that banana, and he's like, what the fuck? The crazy thing about Zachariah Sitchin, when people question his translations, are the things that he got right in the 70s that we're finding out just today, in like 2001, 2002, that in the stories that he's talking about with the Adonaki, he's saying, in a nutshell, that this hyper-advanced race has created us as slaves to mine gold because they needed gold dust particles to suspend in their atmosphere to protect their planet. Well, we just discovered in the 2000s that, hey, you actually do protect atmospheres by suspending metallic products.

How the hell did an archaeologist know some astrophysics in the 70s? That's an intense shift. Yeah, well, it is possible that they were really sophisticated 7,000, 8,000 years ago, and they knew that we were eventually going to run into the same problems again. I mean, maybe they were burning shit back then that was eating up the ozone layer. Maybe they were fucking with chemicals back then, just like

we are now. So that would mean they were super smart, but they're telling you, specifically, the reason why they had to... How it happened. Yes. Yeah, well, they figured it out, just like we figured it out. Just like we figured it out now reason why they how it happened. Yes. Yeah, well, they figured it out just like we figured it out. Just like we figured it out now

and they figured it out then. No, but they're telling you how they figured it out. They're saying they got it from the Anunnaki. Yes. But again, I don't know.

See, I don't know enough about language to argue against or for Sitchin. But I know that he's a rogue scholar. He's not the only one, though. I mean, or the Anunnaki or the Sumerian stories are not the only stories that we find concise pieces of evidence. The Dogons, right?

Yes. I mean, they have completely such detailed astronomical knowledge which was not corroborated until the early 1960s, and there are still people that say, oh, this is a complete hoax, when it really isn't. I mean, they knew about invisible stars that were then later truly corroborated by NASA and other astrophysicists.

I mean, how on earth would they know something like this? And Dogon gave you the answers, that they were visited by somebody that descended from the sky. And then who are we to say that these people are lying or that they made up fantasy stories? Because that, to me, is the insult, right? When people say... I'll insult the fuck out of some old tribes.

No, no, no. Goofy fucks worshiping snakes. No, I'm just referring to... Because people, archaeologists, debunkers are saying, well, you know, you guys attribute everything to alien intervention, and, you know, you undermine the human ingenuity. You're suggesting that, you know, our ancestors were stupid. And nothing could be further from the truth because, obviously, nothing happened in our brain development in the last 50,000 years. If you bring back someone from 10,000 years ago to today,

you can teach that person how to drive a car. You can teach that person even to fly a plane. No problem because intellectually speaking, they're as capable as we are today. However, there was one huge difference, and that is their technological frame of reference was different or smaller than what we have today. So when we have stories of flying shields or dragons or smoking snakes and plumes and plume snakes and things like that, snakes and plumes and plume snakes and things like that, then my question is, well, what was it exactly that our ancestors tried to describe with their vocabulary? Because they didn't have the vocabulary for rocket or for, you know,

so they had to liken a rocket to a blazing oven or something like this or, you know, gleaming bronze monster and things like that. So therein lies lies the big difference and so when archaeologists then say well you know uh you you're saying that i undermine human ingenuity from the past it's like no i'm really not because i am reading to you exactly that these same people said that they received their knowledge from these humanoid beings that descended from the sky. So you think that's the most compelling piece of evidence to you is human beings' depictions of what was going on,

like the Vimanas or the Marata? No, I mean, that is definitely... And that's the great thing about the ancient alien theory, that you can, you know, it's such an interdisciplinary field of research that you can look at ancient Egypt and you can look at South America and draw correlations. I mean, they found crazy correlations between those two cultures, for example, where they found cocaine in mummies and things like that,

where cocaine was only you know available in one country and so so it was just definitely i mean something definitely happened that there was trade between all continents and personally i suggest that trade didn't necessarily happen on on water but that they actually had aircraft, because that is what the ancient texts are saying. Not only in India with the Vimanas, but also in the Hebrew and in the Ethiopian cultures, you have the story of King Solomon and his flying carpet and his flying machine. Didn't your show take an artifact and recreate it? Explain that. Tell me about what happened there.

Well... Where was the artifact from? It's from South America, from Colombia, and it's a gold funerary object. It's a totem that hundreds, I'm sorry, thousands and thousands of those little artifacts have been found, and they were usually shaped in the form of frogs and insects and fish and crocodiles and things like that. However, out of those thousands of funerary objects that have been found, about eight were found worldwide that look like modern day airplanes. airplanes and so these two engineers in one one doctor and one engineer in germany what they did is in the early in the mid 90s in 1996 they took one of those uh little funerary objects and they blew it up to ratio and to size without adding an inch or subtracting an inch i mean they just

basically blew it up to about three to four feet long. It looks exactly like the old one. Exactly. And they put a propeller inside, and they tried multiple objects. I mean, they didn't just do one that they thought, well, this one looks most likely like a plane, so let's just do this one. No, they took a whole bunch of them, and they recreated them as model planes. just do this one no they took a whole bunch of them and they recreated them as as model planes they threw them up up in the air and they were 100 percent um aerodynamically sound they were

able to do rolls and and looping loops and stuff like that i mean they were 100 percent uh you know they were airplanes and even to the untrained eye, they look like planes. Unquestionably. Because here's the thing that, you know, a lot of people are saying. What do they say about this? Yeah, well, they say that these are also fish or insects, but, you know. You look at that, that's an airplane. Because here's the thing. Because, first of all, it's got a delta shape and a fuselage.

And then you have the stabilizers in the back, and you've got an upright rudder, and no living creature in nature has a rudder. It does not exist. Plus, the wing formation is a low wing formation, where the wings are attached to the bottom of the fuselage or the body. Exactly. And we have our wings or arms attached like the birds on the shoulder girdle. And that formation that we can find in the Colombian artifact doesn't suggest this.

And how old is that artifact? 1,500 to 1,600 years old. God dang. Yeah, so Tolima region in Colombia and pre-Columbian artifact. And it's, you know, so those are all those little things that, you know, all fit together somehow. And in my opinion, they had something to do with flesh and blood aliens who visited in the remote past. It's so weird that our history is so incomplete. That's why we're having this debate the reason why we're having this debate is because you know

that the history is so sketchy when you get just a few thousand years ago it's like oh fuck knows man and it doesn't help when you get these conventional archaeologists that are so fucking set in their ways man this robert shock, John Anthony West thing that's going on in Egypt pertaining to the dating of the Sphinx. I find their research fascinating. What I find more fascinating is how these mainstream Egyptologists just

poo-poo it. Like, oh, where's the evidence of this culture? The argument they had was so childish. It was so egotistical. The guy was standing up going, you know, you're talking about the Sphinx predating 9,000 B.C. Where's the evidence of this culture that's willing to... Where's the evidence? What the fuck do you think is going to be there, sir?

What do you think is going to be there after 11,000 years? You're talking 9,000 B.C. How much is going to be left, man? I'll tell you what's going to be left. Rocks. And there's your evidence. Geological rocks that are so fucked up by water that it has to be thousands of years of rainfall. You know, that is unanimous.

When geologists look at the Sphinx enclosure and they show photographs of the water, the water erosion, the fissures, they're 100% agreed that it's water erosion due to thousands of years of rainfall. By the way, rainfall, too, not just flooding, not like one crazy flood, no, thousands of years. So that just shows you it has to be older than 9,000 B.C. because that was the last time there was flooding or there was a rainforest in the Nile Valley. No, and the crazy thing is also that their research is corroborated by other research as well.

When my colleague Robert Boval came out with the Orion Mystery and when he suggested that if you look at the three great pyramids of Giza from a bird's eye perspective, you see that the three are sort of lined up, but not completely. They're not in a straight line. The smallest pyramid is a bit off. And he's like, well, that's really strange. So what's going on here? And then he determined that these three pyramids are

in fact built to the exact ratio of Orion's, the three stars in Orion's belt. I had heard, though, that the only way you could see the three stars from that angle you would have to look at everything upside down from like like that it doesn't actually work that way that it was disproven that you can you you can see it that way but not from earth not from not from the way we look at it. You'd have to reverse everything. Is that true? Yes. I mean, look, the general idea

still holds, even though the upside-down theory is possibly correct. I'm not sure of that, to be honest with you. I'm not sure of it either. I watched a video, I think. However, what he did determine is the fact that the time, if you were to put three floodlights on top of each tip of the pyramid and fire it straight into the sky, you know, like at the Luxor in Las Vegas, the big beam, the time when the three tips of those pyramids would line up exactly with Orion's belt, and you have software for this where you can rewind back the night sky on the computer

these days, it would be in 12,500 years ago, which Boval labeled or is known in Egyptology as the Golden Age, when the gods still walked amongst men. And so the fact that the pyramid, I mean, the Sphinx, also dates to 9,000 BC, well, that's the golden age that everybody talks about in Egypt. And we have 9,000 BC, thousands of years earlier,

it has to exist because of the thousands of years of rainfall. So you are talking maybe 10,500 BC, maybe 11 or more. So the fact is that, and there are ancient texts that that talk about these uh these um these previous cultures or these previous uh periods of uh other kings and uh that that lived in the egyptian uh region but they're considered to be fantasy stories by archaeologists. Right, even the depictions of the pharaohs of like 34,000 years ago, aren't there? I mean, I believe John Anthony West has stated that it goes back almost 30,000 or more years.

There is a king's list out there, and everybody can go Google this tonight. It's called WB44, and that king's list absolutely will boggle your mind, because it basically lists a combined age of kings that ruled for a half a million years before our culture. Now, you know, it's absolutely crazy, it's absolutely it's absolutely crazy and so and that is a list that can be found at the british museum in england in london where's it from it's from sumeria and it's wb44 and it lists for how how long how old for hundreds of thousands of years and some of these kings it says i have written rain for sixteen thousand years for forty eight thousand years one day one king and then the question is will how is this even possible that

all that all break the great type shit they were working that back then man or they or we talking about time dilation time dilation when you were if you travel at close to the speed of light on your spaceship five years pass and you travel at 99.9% of the speed of light, 5,000 years pass here on Earth. And that's just the theory of relativity, which is, you know, and it takes time dilation into account. I mean, like anyone that flies a lot, those people are actually

aging slower than the rest of us. So the more you are in motion, the slower you age. And so this is a mathematically viable and proven theory that if you travel close, which of course we are not capable of doing yet yet but just because we human beings can't do it doesn't mean it does not exist and that's the big you know this dude would like come down here fuck with some shit and go yeah i'll be right back and he comes back like 16,000 years because to him it's only a year yep exactly but he goes at the speed of light or whatever the hell he goes and he comes back, and it sounds like science fiction. But who says that that is not possible?

That is an interesting way to stay valid and just say, listen, bitch, I am coming back. And then you actually do come back. And those are the stories that we find that these quote-unquote gods, which, by the way, they never existed. It's all lowercase g. There is no such thing as gods. I mean, it's completely, it was a complete misunderstanding, a misinterpretation of our ancestors who didn't understand the nuts and bolts technologies behind these visits. And so they started to worship these people.

And those visitors knew exactly that they were being worshipped because you know it would be the same thing that if we arrive on a planet one day in the future 5 000 or whatever years from now and we find a quote-unquote intelligent species but they're a bit primitive yeah well you know we'll push them a little bit in the right direction show them how to know, to complete agriculture and medicine and architecture and all those things. And then we'll just say, okay, we're going to disappear again. Well, guess what? Our once real visit will turn into, will enter the realm of mythology a thousand or two thousand years after our visit.

And so one day, all of us, all human beings, will become ancient astronauts on some other planet. It's just an internal wheel. I have a question. You're a master of ancient cultures. Most ancient cultures predict...

Get up close to the mic. Most ancient cultures have some kind of 2012 warning or signify the end of some age. What do you think? I really need you to pay attention to this because I think that the biggest threat that we face on December 22, 2012 is the massive hangover that we'll all be suffering. So that's about it. And there's a lot of 2012 stuff with Zachariah Sitchin. Of course, of course.

And so here's the thing that... What did Zachariah Sitchin think in 2012? When Nibiru was going to... That's like a year away. Wouldn't Bill see it? Yeah, look, here's the thing that, you know, the whole 2012 thing, in my opinion, is nothing else but a complete... It's mass hysteria.

You think so? Absolutely, because... But not to Zachariah Sitchin, though. Yeah, well, even he, right before, or a year before he died, he rephrased his theory by saying that if at all Nibiru were to return, it's going to be around 2036 or 2038 or something like that. Damn, he changed it. Absolutely, yes. But, you know, that's neither here nor there because the bottom line is that the big problem with 2012 is the fact that it's not even 2011 right now.

That's what nobody talks about, that our calendar is wrong. Because there's a couple of arguments that you can make, and that is, if you look at our quote-unquote history, If you look at our quote-unquote history, we went from 1 BC to 1 AD in the year zero, but scholars, and I'm talking theological scholars now, have determined that Jesus was born between 5 and 3 AD. So right there... Born. Exactly.

So right there we've got another five years, considering the fact that we were being told that our calendar began ticking on the day of Jesus' birth. So, long story short, the third argument is also that it is now Berkeley scholars and scholars at a university in Rome have determined that in the Middle Ages, when the monks were in charge of recording our dates and everything like that, that they also made a mistake up to five years. So, the interesting thing is that, to make a long story short, that we could be as far off as 10 years with our current date. And if you take into consideration when did our calendar really start ticking, was it at the time when Jesus died,

or was it at the time when he was nailed to the cross? Who knows these things? I mean, some have suggested that we're off by 200 years. And these are not people that, you know, of suggested that we're off by 200 years. And these are not people that, you know, just pulled this stuff out of their butts, but they're scholars at universities who, you know, have studied this stuff. And so the bottom line is that the whole 2012, it's nothing else but complete hysteria and nothing, let me repeat, absolutely nothing will happen next year. Dude, you've got to talk to Daniel Pinchback, because he's written books and he doesn't agree with you. That's fine. He thinks Quetzalcoatl's coming.

And God bless him, and Quetzalcoatl will not come. Now, didn't they predict... And by the way, Quetzalcoatl was an extraterrestrial spaceship. You think so? Absolutely. Didn't they predict that the Mayans accurately predicted the sonar lunar eclipses in the future? So if they predicted that, how is it possible that we say they predicted it right? We must be following their timeline. If we're following their timeline, then it must be 2012.

Oh, no, absolutely. You're right. But if our calendar from the very beginning is wrong, then we are basing our wrong calendar on their calculation. Right, but if we're basing our wrong calendar on their calculations and it lines up with what we call 1919, what we call 2012, then shouldn't it be that they got the lunar eclipses right? So they got 2012 right? No, they definitely have 2012 right. And by the way, the only thing... Yes, but not...

Yes, in their counting... In their counting, but not ours. Yes, exactly. But how is their counting, like, line up exactly with ours when it comes to the prediction of solar and lunar eclipses then well sonar and lunar eclipses it doesn't matter what you're in right but they they accurately depicted the year that these solar and lunar eclipses were going to take place according to our calendar but we impose we superimpose their counting onto ours okay yes so we tried to make it fit.

Yes, exactly. Okay. So, you see, and here's the other thing that's tricky. It's tricky when you get two calendars too, right? Oh, completely. Like one a completely different type of calendar than ours. So there must be something happening in December 21st, 2012.

That must signify the end of the 13th Bakhtun. What does that mean? It's the end of the long count. And that is the exact thing that, you know, the Mayans not once, not once did they ever say that the world was going to end. The only thing they said is that

one period of time ends and a new period of time begins. So it could be that, you know, if you believe, some people believe that time has certain qualities to it, that there are times when things are easier and times when things are harder, and that this is literally like an ebb and flow like the tides,

and that perhaps what the Mayans were predicting is just some new stage of humanity, some new stage of existence, some new stage of the Earth and the universe, that things just keep flowing in this sort of a circular direction. of humanity, some new stage of existence, some new stage of the Earth and the universe, that things just keep flowing in this sort of a circular direction. Well, yeah. I mean, look, everything, as we know, is cyclical.

So that is definitely... They mastered the procession of the equinoxes. Yes. And they had figured that out. They had figured out a lot of cycles that were really complex. But who taught them this? And they're also very true.

Mushrooms, mushrooms, and a lot of free time. And then also... So the aliens who are dressed up as little mushroom mascots. The aliens might be... That's what it is. What do you say to people that say, well, how do we know Jesus really even existed?

Isn't there like DVDs and stuff? What was that DVD? The God that Wasn't There. The God that Wasn't That. There's a lot of people that argue scientifically that he's not a real figure. You know, I personally think that Jesus 100% was a historical figure. Do you think he was an alien?

No. No. And neither was Buddha, and neither were any of the other quote-unquote prophets and saints. What about just a regular astronaut? No. No, I just think that Jesus was a historical figure, was able to move people, but that he was the son of God, in my opinion, is nonsense,

because we are all the sons and daughters of God. We all have the divine within our hearts. But what kind of proof? I mean, you've studied a lot of ancient cultures, obviously. Do you know of any proof that would... That Jesus existed? Exactly. Well, I mean, we have stories.

We have texts that have been written down at the time, like the Qumran texts, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and things like that. So, I mean, obviously nobody took a picture, and there are some... Well, the Qumran texts is where you get real squirrelly, because the Dead Sea Scrolls, that's where they trace it back to an ancient Sumerian word. Christ is an ancient Sumerian word

that means a mushroom covered in God's semen. Well, interestingly... You know the John Marco Allegro story. Yes. Interestingly enough, what's also fascinating and what many people don't know is that before Jesus, there were 15 other crucified,

quote-unquote, saviors in human history. And so it's all very bizarre that Christianity claims that he was was the only one which is completely untrue well when you measure his story next to all these other stories i mean even hercules hercules and and jesus pretty fucking close a lot of goddamn similarities you know it's it's it's pretty obvious that we've always been looking for a savior we've always been looking for a one a one thing and then you think that's just like some alpha male chimpanzee thing where you look for the alpha and you think somehow

that at one point in time there was a super alpha and the super alpha had all the answers? Is it just a myth to keep people going? What is that? What is the need for this super alpha? Do you think that it signifies this alien intervention in human history? Is that what you personally believe? No, I just think that a lot of times people are not happy with their own thoughts,

that they need to... But there's a theme. And the theme is that at one point in time, there was a God. The theme exists in all of them. All of the different religions all talk about one point in time, there was a God.

And this God had all the answers. And this is the shit that he wrote down. This is the shit that he told people. Well, yes. But here's the thing that, you know, I mean, if you want to look at the Old Testament where we have a description of quote-unquote God, in the ancient Aslan opinion,

whatever or whoever was described in the Old Testament, and this is exclusively referring to the Old Testament, it has nothing to do with the New Testament. Like the Ezekiel shit. Yes. That whatever or whoever was described in the Old Testament by all means was not God. That being or that humanoid creature that was here,

was misinterpreted or thought as God, as something divine, something spiritual, something more advanced, something magical. It was 100%. So Jesus was an alien. No, I just said it has nothing to do with the New Testament. No way. Old Testament. No, no, no. Old it was alien. It was 100%. So that's Jesus. So Jesus was an alien. No, I just said that has nothing to do with the New Testament. No way. Okay, Old Testament. No, no, no. Old Testament, yes. So God was an alien, and Jesus was just a dude.

No, no. See, it was not God. That's the thing. I see what you're saying. Our ancestors thought it was God. Because, see, a lot of people say, well, does that mean you're an atheist? Does that mean you don't believe in God? Because a lot of debunkers, or actually creationists, are always using Albert Einstein as their best example, where they say, see, even Albert Einstein, he believes in God, so, you know,

we must be right with our ideas. Well, that is only half of the story, because when Albert Einstein was asked as a journalist, when a journalist asked Albert Einstein, do you believe in God? What Einstein said, and anyone can go and look this up, is the fact that he replied by saying, well, dear journalist, before I can answer your question, we have to define what your definition or your idea of God is. And then the journalist said, well, I believe in the Old Testament God and creator. And then Albert said, well, if that is your definition of God, then I respectfully will tell you that I do not believe in God. And then he's like, well, then, so what are you talking about? And Einstein then explained his definition or his idea of God and the universe and the order that we have in the universe amidst chaos. And he said, and if that is what, and this to me is my idea of God, that there's some order to the universe, because, you know, God does not throw dice. That's one of his most famous quotes. So, therein lies the difference, that yes, I do think that there is an all-encompassing force out there, but it's not a personal God.

It's not where, you know, I pray and then all of a sudden I'm praying for something to happen. I mean, that to me is a waste of time, to be honest with you. It's like, if you want something to happen, you've got to go out there and do it yourself, no matter what the obstacles are.

You do, but I think the reason why the idea of prayer exists is because people can manifest things with their own thoughts and staying positive and focusing on a goal and making things happen. To a certain extent. But that, to me, is just thought.

Yeah. The idea of prayer, prayer is just advanced thought. Right. It's just thought to a deity. But the moment that, see, therein, to me, that's where it gets a bit wacky

because the moment that you correlate your own powers, your own, you know own connection to the universe that you have, the moment that you connect that to a personal God and put everything that you have, you basically deny all responsibility. You say, okay, fine, God will take care of it. That to me is such a cop-out attitude. It's like, you know, okay, fine, God will take care of it. That, to me, is such a cop-out attitude.

It's like, you know, why? No, be responsible for your own actions and don't rely on someone else. No, I completely agree, but I think that that's where the idea of prayer came from, the reason why it exists to this day, because you can sort of make things happen if you focus on them for a long period of time.

And people who have been successful at making things happen have, like, stepped back and said, look, you know, we made this happen by prayer. We thought this through. Get a cough drop, bro. Open it up. Don't be scared. You need one. Stop coughing. Poor little sickie.

Poor little sickie, Brian. Now, you've been doing this for a long time now. You said 1998 you started out your magazine. How do you get approached to be doing this ancient alien show? How does this happen? Do they just seek out people with sort of fringe beliefs and people that are experts on these subjects? No, it was actually a very funny story,

and that was, if you remember, in 2008, that new Indiana Jones movie came out, The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and it was kind if you remember, in 2008, that new Indiana Jones movie came out, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and it's kind of a disaster of a movie, in my opinion, but whatever. They're making another one, can you believe it? To redeem themselves, I hope. To make it worse. No, no, no.

It can't get any worse. They just don't seem to be making the same quality of movies. Anyway, the great thing about the movie itself was, you know, the idea behind it was great, but the execution was horrid. It was basically an ancient alien movie where, you know, he was chasing a crystal skull, and the crystal skull happened to be an extraterrestrial origin,

this and that. So the History Channel made a two-hour documentary about Indiana Jones and the feasibility behind all the stuff that he chased down. And so it was one segment about crystal skulls in which I appeared and talked about the possibility whether the Mitchell Hedges skull, for example, was in fact or could could in fact, be an extraterrestrial artifact. And the Mitchell Hedges skull is, what is that? The Mitchell Hedges skull is one of the most perfect, or actually the most perfect crystal

skull. M-I-T-C-H-E-L-L-Hedges, H-E-D-G-E-S, Mitchell Hedges skull. H-E-D-G-E-S, Mitchell Hedges skull. And that skull was found in Belize by Mitchell Hedges' daughter on her birthday. And it's this crystal clear crystal that was found in the shape of a humanoid head. I mean, it's massive. It's really big. If you go to MitchellHedges.com, they have a countdown to Revelation. Yeah, see, it's gloom and doom once again. I mean, it's just crazy. It's a dope-looking skull. And what did you say about this skull?

I mean, some of them have been disproved, right? Yes, and there's no question about that. In fact, you know, with this one here, Yes, and there's no question about that. In fact, with this one here, it's so magnificent where you can actually detach the jawbone from it, which means that it's from the same crystal, which means it had to be one big freaking rock out of which this whole thing was made. And when was it found are they in the early 1900s and when when Mitchell Hedges or the actual caretaker after Mitchell Hedges died and and Anna took over or kept the skull she and and her this other dude whose name escapes me right now and I think it's Dan Nisarino or something, they brought it in the 1960s to the labs up in the Bay Area of Hewlett-Packard. And even in the day, of course, only the best scientists worked at these particular factories and labs. And when the Hewlett-Packard scientists factories and labs. And when the Hewlett Packard scientists were done with all their research,

their conclusion was very simple. And they said, and I quote, this skull should not exist. And meaning that they did not find any tool marks, they did not find any evidence that this thing was polished or anything like that. And even more crazy is the fact that each crystal grows in a particular axis. And in order to work crystal, you have to turn the crystal at high speeds in that direction of the axis. And according to the Hewlett-Packard people, it was ground against its grain. And that would shatter every crystal that you would do this to. And the crystal hedger, I mean, the Mitchell hedger skull, it still exists and it shouldn't. So it's a big mystery. And yes, like, you know, some crystal skulls have been determined that they are,

you know, modern day creations, but not the Mitchell Hedges skull. Again, that could be another tool that we're not, they used to have back in the day that we're not thinking about,

though, right? Of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah, sure. Of course.

And so this is how you got hooked up with the History Channel. And then they're like, we like this dude with the crazy hair. Let's bring him in. What do you think about Nazis? And then I got a call and I was asked, you know, had I heard of a book called Chariots of the Gods and Eric von Danik?

And I said, of course. You know, we publish a magazine together and this and that. And here we are today. I mean, it was just an idea to shoot a two-hour documentary 40 years after Chariots of the Gods. I got in an argument with a journalist when I first came to Hollywood. It wasn't really an argument. It was a talk at one of these.

They had this, it was Fox. I was on Fox. They had a party for a sitcom I was on. And the guy said, hey, can I ask you a couple of questions? And he goes, okay. So he rattles off a bunch of questions. And one of them was, do you believe in aliens? And I think I said, yeah.

And he said, why? And I said, well, I saw this thing, Chariots of the Gods, and it's a pretty incredible movie, and I think it's more than possible. There's a lot of stars out there. And he started going off on how Chariots of the Gods is bullshit. And he goes, oh, it's been completely debunked. And so I'm pretty calm about that kind of stuff.

I go, all right, well, how is it debunked? And he had no answer. And I said, but yet you're so convinced that it's debunked. Well, I know I read that it had been debunked. I go, but you don't remember what you read. But yet, did you read Chariots of the Gods? And he's like, no, I didn't read it. But, I mean, I know it's all about aliens, and aliens came and made these structures,

and I'm like, wow, dude, you're pretty convinced. But it was like, a sensible man doesn't believe such silly things. And that is the whole attitude about aliens, about extraterrestrials, or even about ancient civilizations. The sensible man doesn't buy

into such nonsense. And you must have had to deal with that your whole fucking life. Oh, no, absolutely. And that's the thing. And that's where you just go wacky with the hair and the jewelry. Yeah, fuck it, bitch. I'm going deep. Yeah, you know.

Going deep into the crazy hole. I'm still the same guy from 10 years ago. You know, that's the thing. It's like, to me, you know, especially the Chariots of the Gods argument that, you know, Fondanik has been debunked and things like that. It's like, really? I mean, have you looked at this stuff? Because the bottom line is that Chariots of the Gods had over 200 question marks in it.

It even had a freaking question mark in the fucking title. Right. So, I mean, right there, it was a question. Right. It is an idea. It's raising questions. And if those questions happen to be uncomfortable questions, well, you know what?

So be it. Or if a couple of them are wrong, you're talking about a lot of goddamn questions in that book. Well, here's the thing. Let me ask you this. When was the last time you saw a scientist or any author or whatever give a, you know, 30 years after their first publication and say, well, on page so-and-so, I made a mistake.

When Chariots of the Gods came out as the 35-year anniversary edition, Eric wrote a 16-page preface to the new edition, and in that he pointed out exactly which mistakes he made in the 1960 or 1970 book on what page and on what happened here. For example, one example is the iron pillar in New Delhi. For a long time, you know, we thought that this might be something that is of extraterrestrial origin, or at least that extraterrestrials taught these metallurgists how to pour this pillar of iron, because up to that time, it didn't corrode, it didn't rust, and it had been around for many, many years, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years.

And guess what? The thing is rusting today, it's corroding, so you know what? That piece of evidence, out the window. You know what? Who cares? Because the conclusion is that in case a piece of evidence turns out to be wrong or false, if you eliminate that piece of evidence, it only makes the overall theory stronger

because you eliminate false stuff. So to suggest that just because there were a few mistakes in Chariots of the Gods, which Eric openly admitted to, that doesn't mean that the whole ancient alien theory all of a sudden becomes irrelevant. On the contrary, it makes it more stronger. And the fact that today, especially on the show Ancient Aliens, I mean, by the way, tomorrow is the premiere of season three.

I'm very excited about that. What's going on? What's going on? Thursday night. Can you preview us? Can you tell us? Give us some scoops? Any Nazi stuff?

There is definitely stuff in there that has not been explored in the previous season. The History Channel needs to combine Nazis, UFOs, and ghosts together. And cowboys. And monsters. One all fucking smash-em-up show. And, you know, so... I lost my train of thought. The new season of the History Channel

Ancient Aliens special. Especially now in season three, it's amazing how many university professors have come forward and agreed to be on a show called Ancient Fucking Aliens. Are you kidding me? The fact that university professors, because, as you know,

you're in TV, you have to disclose what show you're calling from or what show you're going to be on. You can't just, you know, put a question mark there. So, the fact that university professors are now coming forward, especially for season 3, to appear

on that show, I mean, that speaks volumes. I mean, it's huge that all of a sudden, you know, Eric Fondanik and Childress and I and Martel and Coppins, we're surrounded by people from MIT, talking about ancient aliens. And what exactly are these professors

on about? What is their subjects of expertise? What are they testifying about? Well, I mean, we, for example, in this episode that airs tomorrow, Aliens and the Old West, we have professors, not only do we have elders, Native American elders, who are talking about the idea of star people in the ancient American West, but also there are professors that we've gotten from universities

and curators of museums where they corroborate the stories about the star people. And so... Like how do they do that? Well, because they have access to many recordings that were written down in the Old West. Things for the first time would be able to be recorded because in ancient Native American times, their traditions were brought from generation to generation. Spoken words. Spoken words, exactly.

And then when, you know. White man came. Yeah, I guess, unfortunately, you know, the whole thing was recorded all of a sudden. And so we have very old recordings talking about these star people that came allegedly a long time ago. talking about these star people that came allegedly a long time ago. And so that is a huge, huge part of our theory that there are entire cultures, for example, Native Americans, that talk about the kachinas descending from the sky in flying shields, and they were very adamant, because of course Native Americans, you know,

believe in the spiritual realm, there's no question, but they're also very adamant to say that there are two worlds. There is the spiritual realm, and then there is also the physical realm, and that the star people were part of the physical realm. And here we are to say, oh, well, you know, they didn't know what they were talking about. Peyote. Because they were just all high. They were getting that peyote. Which, you know, I mean, of course, I mean, there is not one culture in the world that did not dabble in mind-altering drugs.

I mean, it's just a complete, it's who we are as a people. There is no question about that. But at the same time, there were always these different levels that, yes, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the spiritual realm does exist. But we also have a physical realm in which our ancestors said that somebody came in a physical form so you think that there's probably some sort of an advanced life or some sort of a different life in in a non-material form as well yeah like there's some sort of a spiritual realm 100 dimension or something of something something else some sort of intelligent life, and then there's physical life as well. And you know me, I'm the nuts and bolts alien guy, right? But at the same time, I would be a fool to deny or to even suggest that an ethereal realm does not exist, because that would render our physical world completely useless if that's all there is. Because a lot of people are saying, well, you know, if you die, all that's going to happen is that, you know, they're going to basically just pull the plug from the computer hard drive and things like that. And that's usually the argument that they give. But the bottom line is that's not necessarily true because if you keep your computer in a very safe place, and you can leave it there unplugged for a million years, if you find a power source a million years down the road, and you plug that computer back in, guess what? Everything on that hard drive is still there. So what if the hard drive is the soul? And therefore, once we die, our soul goes with us.

That's who we are as an essence. Yes, we will leave this body, but at the same time, energy does not die. It goes on in some form. So to suggest that after this life, it's all over, I cannot process that.

It makes no sense. What do you think of Kurzweil and Ray Kurzweil's ideas of downloading human consciousness into intelligent computers and the idea of you will be able to duplicate yourself and live forever in some sort of cyber environment?

I think it's fascinating. What happens with the spiritual version of you if that takes place? Well, maybe then that's where you live, inside that cell. Zombies. Yeah, no, but the thing is, you see, and that's why movies like The Matrix, the first one, was so wonderful because those are all fantastic and interesting ideas. But to me, I'm a big subscriber to reincarnation. Why is that

because that because of energy not being able to die and i think our soul our essence is energy it's part of this all-encompassing force that to me is the universe or or god and so you know if you have um if you look for example at the dial llama or or a lot of buddhists you know, if you have, if you look, for example, at the Dalai Lama or a lot of Buddhists, you know, who believe in reincarnation or Hindus and things like that, they always talk about how you will get reincarnated here on planet Earth as another being or another animal or whatever. But see, to me, that's all very limited thinking, because while I do subscribe to reincarnation, there is no way, in my opinion, that we would only reincarnate here on Earth. We can reincarnate throughout the entire universe. And that is why some people, when they come back to Earth, they're considered maybe old souls, or they're more intuitive to everything, that they might have been here before so you think there's one universal bank of souls for the entire universe and that everybody has to dip into it no matter what you know you're on planet fucking serious or whatever you know you you all dip from the same souls and so like you could die here and then re-emerge on planet go fuck yourself in the middle of nowhere yeah and and somehow and somehow with but somehow with the same quote-unquote instincts or knowledge,

because there is something that's out there called the eternal spirit. And that is that we all consist of particles and elements, and every 60 days our entire bodies are completely recycled, because we're completely changing... I think it's every seven years. Oh, okay, well, whatever it is, it's the complete recycling of a body, which is absolutely

mind-boggling. Yeah, it's pretty crazy that it's seven years. And we're being bombarded by this cosmic dust, and that is what we consist of. And this one French philosopher, Jean Chiron, in his book called The Eternal Spirit, or The Eternal Particle, suggested that each time one of our particles in our body travels through the universe,

no matter what it passes through, if it's a stone or some type of a being or something, it records everything. a being or something, it records everything. And so, you know, each and every particle contains the knowledge of the entire universe, and that's within us. I mean, it's such... I've heard that theory of things recording things by Rupert Sheldrake, you know who he is? Yes. He has some sort of theory that things contain memory.

Yes. Everything, like houses, tables, chairs. Everything, absolutely. Because we're all made of the same stuff. And if that, you know, if these particles all record the same stuff, then, you know, we are all one. See, if you take a piece of skin

and you put it underneath the electron microscope and you go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper, everything wobbles, everything vibrates, it's all, it's all exciting down there. And we consist of vibrations, it's all frequency, it's all harmonics. Now, you take a piece of this metal cup right here, which is considered to be inorganic or dead material, and you put a little piece under the same electron microscope and you go deeper and deeper and deeper,

at the very, very core, it's the exact same thing. And I would challenge you for a hundred bucks to tell me which is which. Nobody can tell the difference unless you know which microscope. At the subatomic level. Exactly. Which means we all exist of the same stuff. Don't we all exist actually as nothing? I mean, isn't like

most of the universe nothing? Absolutely. Most of the universe is mostly atoms and most atoms are almost entirely nothing. And we consist of nothing too because while we can touch ourselves and touch other people and the sensation of touch and all this, it's all complete.

It's magnetism. You should use that as a molester in a trial. Grab some chick's ass and go, I touched nothing. There's nothing to touch. There's nothing there. I have a question. A lot of the stuff you're saying, I agree with.

And a lot of the stuff you're saying, Edgar Cayce, for instance, he believed in the Akashic Records and he put himself under hypnosis, right? Self-hypnosis. And then when he was under self-hypnosis, he became this brilliant, all-knowing man and he had a third-grade education.

And he said that all this information can be tapped into by anybody. You just got to learn. Like meditation is part of it and that's why there's a big, you know, meditation's huge and yoga's huge because once you master meditation you actually can tap into the Akashic Records

which holds the answers to everything. Were you an Edgar Cayce fan? Did you follow him at all? No, actually. I really don't know much about him, but it is true that, you see, we only use about 5% of our entire brain power. Is that really true?

I've heard that's been debunked. Well, even if, let's say it's 10%. I don't even think that's true. I think they've debunked it. I think that was back when people were ignorant about the functions of different areas of the brain, and now they've attributed different areas of the brain to different functions.

And I think the more they understand about the brain, the more they realize that that's a misnomer. Have you driven down to 405? Yeah, I have. Do you still believe we use more? I'm not saying that these people are thinking well. They even said like if you use more than 10% at the same time, you'll just go into

seizures and stuff like that. I think that's all horseshit. I think that's all been disproven. I'm almost positive, yeah. Is that what you were saying? Well, anyway, so the idea, let's operate under the assumption that we only use about 5-8% of our total brain power. This one guy suggested, a philosopher, he said that the brain is the last untamed beast in the universe.

And that is true because every single thing that we see each day, every single thing that we hear, everything that we say, our brains records it. Everything is there. Everything is there permanently for eternity in our brains. The only problem is we can't access the information. And then, of course, there are people who are great at memorizing lines or memorizing texts or whatever, or, you know, have photographic memory. Or autism, where they can remember. I mean. Well, you know, and also, you know, normally, quote-unquote, functioning people.

I mean, you know, it's amazing how, you know, some people have the, quote-unquote, gift to recall certain things, and some people don't and that is where I think you know the the last Frontier lies that we could conceivably, you know access way more of our brain power and then You could move proverbial mountain the 10% of the brain is absolutely a myth Yeah, it's yeah, it's absolutely been proven It is actually a misinterpretation, a misquote of Albert Einstein, or the misinterpretation of the work of Pierre Florence in the 1800s. We use 100% of our brain.

They have it mapped out. They know what part of your brain works for different areas. They did not know at a certain point in time in history, and that's when people started kind of chirping that and saying it back and forth. So through the wonders of the Internet, we just cleared that up. See, and this is why you never stop learning. Never! Every day you learn something new.

What do you think about all this Nazi shit? Because one of the things that's fascinating about the Ancient Aliens show is how much the Nazis were into the occult and the Mahabharata and trying to recreate things that were in ancient scriptures. I mean, the Indiana Jones thing, they kind of got into it with the, what is it called, the Ark of the Covenant, and there's something to it. And the Nazis were obsessed with that shit.

But if they were just some fucking kooks, you know, which they clearly were in one way, but they were also so fucking advanced with rocketry and with science and, you know, I mean, so many companies came out of Nazi Germany, you know. I mean, just Germany, period. Forget the Nazis. I mean, they're so, I mean, Porsche started there, you know, BMW. So many sophisticated engineers. they were so advanced. What the fuck was their big thing about UFOs?

What was the whole Nazi-UFO connection? Because that was one of the most fascinating ancient aliens to me. Yeah, no, look, I mean, there's definitely something that can be said about this, and the whole idea, because many scholars say that, you know, Hitler and the Nazis were never into the occult. And that is simply untrue because we have found find openings at the North Pole and the South Pole, that these expeditions truly did exist, that the real society and the tool of society really existed and things like that. And I personally find it fascinating, but I've got to be honest with you, that to me, it's not ancient enough to talk about eagles because that was 70 years ago.

And you see, my ancient aliens, you know, some people consider 70-year-old people ancient, but, you know, I don't. So my aliens happened thousands of years ago. So you're a Sumerian, Mesopotamian type of dude. Egyptian and ancient Greece and things like that. But at the same time, you just never know. And it would be foolish to not listen to those stories or to look at these opinions because you just never know. Just be open at all times.

Isn't there a bunch of vases and paintings that have like old uh drawings of aliens on them and stuff like that and have those been disproven or have those uh or because i've seen a few of them where they're like yeah this is an alien i'm like yeah or it's just a guy that has his head shaved and the artist sucks you know i mean have you done any research on that kind of stuff? Yeah, no, I mean, look, one of the greatest, quote-unquote, pieces of evidence that we have is, you know, the carvings that we find, but also the figurines and drawings drawings that, compared to modern days, are eerily similar to modern-day astronaut suits. And, you know, a lot of times the debunkers are like, okay, so you're suggesting that the aliens were here, and why on earth would they wear the same suits? Or why would they need suits like our modern day astronauts? Because they were a little more advanced than us. Right, exactly.

If they were us in a hundred years, we would need suits. Right, but that's the exact argument that if we can't go to the moon without a suit, so why would aliens? If they're oxygen-based people as we are, or people that need to breathe oxygen for their life support. So to suggest that aliens are so vastly different than us, I have a hard time with that. I mean, there's some people that have suggested that aliens are just these blobs of slime. And I'm like, okay, that's possible, but, you know, that would defy nature, because nature is very efficient.

And I think that the building blocks or the requirements for life are pretty much given throughout the entire universe. And so that if something happens here, you know, to think that aliens would exist like in the Hollywood movies, that's

a bit too much for me. I mean, look, it's great entertainment, but do I think that that is how it is in reality? Not really. I think that we're all pretty much, you know, the same out there. You know, more advanced, obviously, but looks-wise, because all those ancient carvings or descriptions and paintings that we have, you know, especially if you look at the ancient Hindu gods, they look like us, beautiful, but just with blue skin, for example. But they weren't, they didn't have four, well, in India, yes, they did have 20 arms. But, you know, so, you know, there's definitely something to be said that, you know,

we think that we have depictions that show potential extraterrestrial visitors in the past. You must dominate some late-night hippie pussy. Sitting around, you know what I'm saying? Sitting around smoking weed with some chicks at a party, and you drop some of this ancient alien knowledge? Dude, you must just knock it out of the fucking park. Or, should I say, have in the past. Or should I say, have the potential to.

I don't say you use it for evil. Never evil. Never evil. Do you believe in, or what do you think about the reptilian shapeshifting genre? Complete nonsense. But David Icke has so many good points. Complete nonsense. He's got so many good points about other things.

But you mentioned shapeshifting earlier. Yes, of course. That aliens could have the possibility to turn into clouds or trees. Yeah, but I would not say that, you know, that's only, you know, reserved for reptilians. I mean, look, I really think that, I don't know, I mean, the whole argument with the whole reptilian thing, look, it really doesn't matter, because what this theory or this whole extraterrestrial question is about is whether or not extraterrestrial life not only has been here, but also whether they're here right now. And you know what? Whether they're reptilian or if they look like Oompa Loompas, it doesn't matter. The fact is that having an extraterrestrial

presence on planet Earth, not only today, but for thousands of years, that is sensational enough than to suggest, yeah, you know, they're coming from planet so-and-so, their spaceship's name is so-and-so, their commander's name was so-and-so. I mean, that is, to me, all irrelevant garbage. And that is why the mainstream is not listening to these stories because they're

completely it's complete buffoonery to suggest you know what planet they're from uh what what their spaceship's name was what their propulsion system was i mean it's all nonsense who gives a shit extraterrestrials were and are here. That's all that should matter. I'm sorry. Do you believe Robert Lazar? Do you believe his stories? I was just thinking about him. Him and John Lear.

Yeah, John Lear is out of his fucking mind. He's got the craziest theories ever. John Lear believes that there are millions of humanoids on every planet in the solar system. And we've been to all the planets. There's a secret NASA. Yeah, he's kooky. He's completely crazy. But

Robert Lazar is not so kooky. Robert Lazar is I think he's probably full of shit about some things for sure. But he's also a very intelligent guy. And god damn he sounds confident as fuck when he gives you his depictions of what happened at Area 51 and where he worked and you know it's interesting you know uh i don't i don't

know if he's telling the truth but from what i understand he lied about uh his education he lied about where he went to school and they've you know they've proven that he didn't get degrees where he said he got degrees so i don't know you know but again could be more disinformation could be more he was really good friends with john lear they were buddies well that's not good yeah because that john lear guy is out to lunch john lear says that the moon is a spaceship right no he says that that's where your soul goes to it's a soul catcher when you die your soul goes to the moon see that to me is nonsense it's just right there okay look never say never uh but but that right there you're gonna lose

the mainstream audience you can't listen to that guy he's john lear's i think if anybody's a disinformation guy it's john lear lear jets the guy's worth fucking 50 billion dollars is out there running around talking about the moon catching souls. When you die, you live in Ron Jeremy's balls. Tell us about some episodes, some subjects that you guys are going to cover that you didn't cover the first two seasons.

You did the cowboy thing. That's pretty good. Yeah, no, but for example, we're talking about entire churches and buildings that are carved into the ground in Ethiopia at Aksum and at Lalibela, where apparently a version or possibly the Ark of the Covenant is still buried or hidden today. That's in Ethiopia, right? Exactly, in a town called Aksum.

Now, that's what got Graham Hancock into his whole journey that he went on. He was a mainstream reporter, and he was covering some political unrest in Ethiopia, and he started talking to some of the people that guard the temple, where they say the Ark of the Covenant is inside. And he was very compelled by the evidence and the history behind it. What do you think about it? Well, for example, every week they have a procession through the town where they carry a replica of the Ark around,

and it's obviously a replica. Unfortunately, nobody has access to the Ark except for this family who for generations have been guarding this ark. And what's really fascinating is that each and every guardian of that ark, they eventually go blind, which is really fascinating to think that you're guarding this object that only you are allowed to see, if at all. And each and every one of these guards has gone blind. How many?

How many? Oh, we're talking at least 350 years recorded. Of people going blind? Yeah. You would think, there you go, bitch, you could have that job. Well, no. I ain't going blind. Is it made out of lava?

Do you get that? Who fucked this Ark of the Covenant? Why is it so awesome that it's willing to make you go blind? Well, and that is the exact question. I mean, so something is going on there, unless it a hoax and and these stories have been made up but i choose not to think that the man who uh told graham hancock about it had cataracts you know that was one of the things that led him to uh start investigating but i have heard that too many of the people that have been in the care of this thing have been blind. So what do they think? They think that it's radioactive in some sort of a way?

Possibly, possibly. I mean, according to... What is it supposed to be? Well, according to the ancient astronaut theory that I represent, the Ark of the Covenant was nothing else but a container in which an extraterrestrial food dispensing device was stored in. Food dispensing device? Like an extraterrestrial vending machine? Exactly.

I liked it. I'm going to steal that from you. I liked that very much. So the Ark of the Covenant is nothing but a fucking vending machine. It makes your face melt. That's a great title right there. That's a first one, man. So that basically...

How did you come to that conclusion? well look in the 1970s these two engineers by the name of Rodney Dale and George Sassoon they wrote a book called The Mana Machine and if you look at

mana mana meaning the bread that came from heaven that fell from heaven exactly and they basically... Ancient astronaut people and the mushroom people need to get together and come up with a unified theory of crazy.

Because that's what they believe manna is. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, don't worry. So there is a... In the Hebrew Zohar, there is a... Sorry, in the Kabbalah, there is a text in the Kabbalah called Zohar. And the Zohar describes an ancient of days that traveled with, during the 40-year wanderings through the desert, that this ancient of days was with them all the time.

And the ancient of days has been interpreted as the Old Testament God. And so these two engineers came along, and they read the description of it, and they said, you know what, this does not sound like a deity at all, but it sounds like some type of a machine. Now, mind you, those guys were engineers, electrical engineers, so they weren't, you know, some hobbyists or something like this. And one guy was also a linguist at the same time, so they looked at all these translations and looked at all the different interpretations, and they found that some of the earliest translations

of the Ancient of Days wasn't, in fact, the Ancient of Days, but the transportable one of the tanks. the Ancient of Days, but the transportable one of the tanks. Now, that is very bizarre, that you have this thing that had to be disassembled and assembled every week on a certain amount of time, where this machine or this object was taken apart with different parts that were connected with tubes, and there was

a huge light source and it was just this magnificent thing that they determined dispensed the mana through big giant tanks and also through tubes and things like this that is the reason why we have the Sabbath today, because on the Sabbath the machine had to be cleaned. So all those different... This is wild stuff! Wild and crazy stuff! But at the same time it's very compelling, because the texts are exactly saying that, that on Friday and Saturday, you're not going to get fed because this quote-unquote deity had to be taken apart and cleaned.

And it was an extremely meticulous and dangerous process. People died. People who did not know how to operate or how to conduct themselves in the presence of this transportable off the tanks, they drop to the floor dead. And then they would lose their fingernails.

They would have balls on their skin. I just want to say that about a minute ago, you broke my crazy meter. It's broken. My shit's broken. Nice. It don't work anymore. Good, good.

I don't know what you're saying anymore. I don't even know what you're saying. That means I have done my job. I have done my job. I'm trying to throw your shit into my brain, what you were saying anymore i don't even know what you're saying i'm trying to join my job i have done my job i'm trying to throw your into my brain what you were saying about this machine and then my my brain's going what the are you asking me um do you think it's possible that there was like this ancient vending machine that killed everybody why would they do that was there a shortage of food back then couldn't they just go get food um maybe not in the desert

they had awesome food dude if you took an? Maybe. Not in the desert. Some awesome food. They had awesome food. If you took an ice cream truck back in the time machine, people would freak the fuck out. Freak the fuck out. Holy shit. Yeah, you would run shit with an ice cream cone. The big stick. The kind of pussy that you would get

if you had an ice cream machine back then. There are ancient stories where they talk about magical glowing tablets that contain the universal knowledge. was to take if you take that those rifles back to you know 10,000 years ago you have a magical tablet all of a sudden yeah it is true yeah well you know like I said I believe that there's some shit that human beings have discovered a long fucking time ago and then rediscovered it if human beings created the pyramids, and that is the general consensus, right?

And I agree with that. It was definitely human beings. But with the assistance of extraterrestrial technology, because that is what ancient texts, for example, the Al-Hittat or Al-Qittat, are saying, written by the Egyptian historian Al-Makritzi, that the pyramids were built by Zawrid, who was a king,

and his people, with the assistance of the guardians of the sky. And in our interpretation, of course, the guardians of the sky were advanced flesh and blood extraterrestrials who taught mankind how to use certain machinery. Yo.

That's heavy. So Ze Zachariah Sitchin believed that the pyramids were never tombs, they were never built as tombs. He believes that they were beacons for the Anunnaki. Yes, I mean that is definitely a possibility. Personally, I agree

with the notion that the pyramids were never tombs because even when the first time that the pyramids were, allegedly the seals were broken, no actual bodies were found in there. And what's really fascinating is the fact that, you know, the pyramids defy every single other structure in Egypt, because you walk inside any tomb in Egypt, and the walls are filled with hieroglyphics,

and really, I mean, it says exactly when it was built, by whom, and how, and when, and what, and where. And you go inside the pyramids, and they're completely anonymous, except for a couple of cartouches that the debate is still out whether or not these cartouches are in fact forgeries or not. So that mystery has not yet been solved, despite what mainstream archaeologists or Egyptologists are saying. When they've dated the Great Pyramid back to 2500 BC,

what have they used to date that? What is the... Oh, they basically... I love that you just asked that question because the great misunderstanding is that you know, when they, there's a lot of people that say, you know, when they dated the Sphinx or when they dated the Pyramid and when they and right there you need to take a step back because nobody was actually

able to do that because you can't really date stone because stone is an inorganic material. If you carbon date something with what they call the C14 or carbon 14 method with dating, you can only date something that's of a living material like bones or coal or textiles and things like that, because what they do is they measure the half-life period of radioactive isotopes. And so that's how you can accurately, you know, date, for example, an old fire pit that has been found. And many times archaeologists are dating a fire pit and then they come up with a particular, or it yields, the test yields a particular date, let's say 500 BC,

and then they say, well, okay, that means that the site itself also dates from 500 BC. And that, in my opinion, is a logical fallacy because just because a fire pit dates to 500 B.C. doesn't mean that the stone structure was also built in 500 B.C. They can't date stones, right? Exactly. So how do they do Gobekli Tepe? How do they say that that thing is 12,000 years old? With the fire pits and the bones that were found in and around that area. So still, they're just guesswork.

So, which means that the stones themselves could date back even further. Or could be way newer. Yes, of course. That's weird that they're using Gobekli Tepe, though. For folks that don't know, it's right now considered to be the oldest structure ever discovered. And they're saying that it's 6,000 years before Mesopotamia and Sumer, which was previously considered to be the cradle of civilization,

the oldest, and they're saying that this was all constructed back when people were hunter-gatherers, but if that is what they're saying, I mean, how can you say that if it's just like fire pit shit and bones and whatever? Right, no, and the thing is also that, you know, on the little Mediterranean island in Malta, which is

right next to sicily there are megalithic structures megalithic meaning gigantic stones that are you know 250 500 metric tons heavy these slabs that have been transported from somewhere else put into place with incredible precision and some of these have dated to 12,000 B.C. when allegedly we were just, you know, munching on bananas. And how do they date these to 12,000 B.C.? Also, again, with bones and with, you know, having found fire pits. But that does not mean that the stones themselves have been placed there even earlier. There is a method out there called the thermoluminescent dating method of stone, where you can conceivably date stone, but it's a bit inaccurate,

because what happens is if you polish or cut a stone, the oxygen in the air, there's a chemical reaction that takes place with the surface of that stone, and they can somehow measure this. Once it's been cut. Exactly. But it's a very expensive way of testing something. And many universities, unfortunately, don't have the money, so they don't do that.

The third way is where each time that you have an ancient stone, over time, because we were talking before about erosion, and if you have thousands of years of rainfall, what is left over? You gave the answer. You said rocks, and that is exactly right. So over time, what forms over a rock is this thin film that just built.

It's called a patina. And the thicker this film or this patina is, the older the stone. So people have, in fact, been able to measure the patina and people have determined that some of these cuts are thousands and thousands of years old, meaning they're not modern-day creations. And right there, it just boggles the mind because it was certainly not cut with bronze tools or with chicken bones as we're led to believe.

If you had the opportunity right now, if the government came and they picked you up in Air Force One and flew you to Washington and said, listen, dude, we're going to offer you something. You know a lot about this shit. We could use you. We're going to show you some shit, and we need you to Washington and said, listen, dude, we're going to offer you something. You know a lot about this shit. We could use you. We're going to show you some shit and we need you to help us, but you can't tell anybody. You've got to quit

all your ancient alien stuff. You've got to quit your magazine. You've got to work for the government and tell no one. And then monitor your fucking calls. Tell anybody you're dead, but they're going to take you to Area 51. They're going to take you to Wright Patterson Air Force Base, to Hangar 18. They're going to take you to Area 51. They're going to take you to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, to Hangar 18. And they're going to show you all that shit.

Would you be down? They're going to show you the ancient... Show you everything. You know the answer. Yes. There you go. You would do it, right? You would give up on civilization and be a suit.

Of course. I might do it, too. I might do it, too, ladies and gentlemen. I might quit comedy. Quit comedy to learn about the aliens. Because that would help me. If you knew for a fact, would it help?

Would you just sit around waiting for the aliens to come, and then when they didn't, would you be disappointed? I mean, if you do know that there are aliens out there and they're monitoring, you're like, come on, make something happen. Well, here's something I would like to put on the record here that personally, I have never seen a ufo i have never been visited i have never had any you know an abduction experience or anything like this so because a lot of people ask me that and then i

tell them no actually i haven't and they're like well then how do you subscribe to these ideas why and i'm like well because you know to me this has really? And I'm like, well, because, you know, to me, this has really nothing to do with belief, because belief always has this quote-unquote religious connotation. It means that if you believe something, you have to have faith. I don't have faith in aliens. I don't worship them. I don't quote-unquote think of them as, you know, spiritual or divine beings. They're people like us, just more advanced technologically speaking. So to me, it's more of an idea of knowing instead of believing. I think about these things.

It's not that I quote-unquote believe in it. Do you think there's a broad spectrum of aliens out there? There's some of them that are just a little more advanced than us, like they could visit us and maybe fuck us and take our gold sure and there's other ones that are like super advanced that are just yeah showing up as clouds and monitoring us and explosions there is this uh thing out there where uh this guy kardashev the soviet scientist in the 60s or the 70s actually came up with this uh the classification of civilizations. And he said that there's basically three types of civilizations out there,

Type 1, Type 2, Type 3. Type 1 civilization is, and it's all about energy, because in the end, that's all what it comes down to. And he basically suggested that a Type 1 civilization is capable of harnessing the energy resources of their own home planet. A Type 2 civilization is able to harness the energy resources of their solar system, and a Type 3 civilization is able to harness the energy resources of their own galaxy. Now we, on this scale are, we're none. We are a Type 0 civilization on the verge of becoming a Type 1 civilization.

So, Sagan, Carl Sagan actually suggested that we're maybe a.7 or possibly now a.8. many of these astronomers and astrophysicists are suggesting that this transitionary period from a type 0 to a type 1 is the most difficult and most dangerous one because it does involve the splitting of the atom or... And monkeys altogether. Yes. Splitting the atom and monkeys. You know, so, I mean, this is all, it's all fascinating stuff. Brian's asleep.

You know, one thing I was going to ask you about, before when you said they found those little things and they rebuilt them and put propellers on them and they were like a plane. I saw the pictures of those, but it also looks like they kind of modified the wings a little bit to make it actually fly. Couldn't that have been

just easily like a statue of a bird or something like that? Why is it all... Well, it's just they put rudders. It doesn't look like they modified the wings. I mean, yeah, the wings on the actual statue is just like a flat, you know. It has to be curved in order for it to fly, you know. Yeah, but the thing

is that it actually in the same collection of be curved in order for it to get flight you know yeah but the thing is that it actually um in in the same collection of of um totems or funeral objects that have been found they did find carvings or or creations of birds and they look totally different yes and fish and crocodiles yeah and what he was talking about earlier too about the wings being on the bottom and the fuselage and all that shit is very un-bird-like. The rudder on the top. There's no animal in history that has that fucking thing. Right.

Let me see some more of those pictures you brought in, man, because you brought in some badass structures. Absolutely. And this is your own collection? Yeah, this is stuff that I took all around the world. Now, for example, you know, because I was saying earlier that obviously our ancestors did know how to cut stone and move objects and move stone blocks and things like that,

so there's absolutely no question about that. They did know how to do this. But, I'm going to show you a physical impossibility right now, where I still today, I show these pictures of each and every one of my lectures and I have yet anyone to come forward and tell me how this was done. And I've shown these pictures to engineers, to stone cutters and things

like that and they're like, this can't be done. So if you look for example at this structure So if you look, for example, at this structure right here, obviously it's a type of a stone quarry where blocks were cut out. So there's no question that stone blocks were actually cut out of these particular sections right there. sections right there. However, if you, and this here is on the back entrance in Peru, in an area called Ollantaytambo, and what you have here is two blocks that were cut out of the side of the mountain. One at the very top where if you look closely at this particular photograph the top one, the top block or the top slab was released by having three cuts on the left and the right and the bottom and then one blade that went down on the back. But now I want you to pay attention to the bottom square of this particular slab that was cut out where you can see the four sides have been cut out and then the back. But there is no access point to this particular

to the back because if you look closely the bridge that connects or that is between the top part or the top slab that was cut out and the bottom one, there is no access point. It's a solid piece. Okay, I see what you're saying. Right. So what you're saying is the top one, you could slide behind it and cut it out because you could get at the top of it.

Yes. But this one, there's like a bridge. There's no way to get behind it and cut it out. And as if somebody wanted to have a good time, the actual block that fit into the bottom slot is sitting right next to it. Yeah, I was going to say maybe they just destroyed it. No. No, no, no. You can see it. And here it is. It's cut out. Check it out. So, and that piece right there, that block, has not a single millimeter of loss of material. So it's not like they carved around it or something. I mean, this is a physical impossibility.

And the only way that somebody, you know, gave an idea how this could have been possible is if you have a piece of this is i really wish we had photos of this that we could show people i mean this is um what can they look up what can they look up on because this is really fascinating what is the name of this stone and what can they look up online if they want to google this yeah bro how many people are looking at this a fraction well you know what i can send you i can send you but what should we do this what should they look for if this is this one this is we on Tate Tombo oh l l a n t a y t a mbo or yante Tom it is in Peru in Peru and it's in the backs in the in the back a quarry of that archaeological site it's fucking incredible now I got a question what what the fuck is up with It's in the back quarry of that archaeological site.

It's fucking incredible. Now, I got a question. What the fuck is up with Peru, man? There's so much crazy shit in Peru. The Nazca Lines, Machu Picchu, those crazy people with the skulls. Well, they deformed their skulls to make themselves look like fucking the coneheads. What's that all about? The elongated craniums or the cone heads is definitely incredible.

Is it all the same era? Is it all combined? Yes and no. I mean, look, one thing that's really great, in my opinion, is that the archaeologists agree that in Peru has the culture, the ancient culture of Peru are the Incas. And what's fascinating is the fact that today the archaeologists agree that a pre-Inca civilization did in fact exist. But not a single archaeologist agrees who the hell those pre-Inca people were. agrees who the hell those pre-Inca people were. So this is where your previous idea and theory definitely comes into place or fits that there was a type of highly advanced civilization back in the past that nobody knows even what date

and some have suggested 10,000, 15,000 years ago that that civilization might have been wiped out because Pumapunku, for example, is such a region or a site that was 100% built by a pre-Incan civilization. And still today, archaeologists are fighting over who these people were. We had a buddy on the other day, Tom Segura,

who had been to Machu Picchu several times, and I was saying that I had read something, I believe it was Graham Hancock's speculation about Machu Picchu, that at one point in time it was at the side of water. Isn't that Pumapunku? Pumapunku. Yeah, what it was, it wasn't Machu Picchu? In fact, Pumapunku, it's translated...

But it's miles away from water right now, right? Yes, yes. It's right next to Lake Titicaca, which is the highest navigable lake in the world at 12,500 feet. go through the Bolivian highlands and the Peruvian highlands are filled with mussels and with fish bones that are thousands and thousands of years old, proving that that area used to be under seawater. We're not talking freshwater, we're talking seawater. So Pumapunku was built as an ocean port? Yes.

And that is even something that mainstream archaeologists have proposed as well. And how old is it supposed to be then? Well, that would mean it goes back to the last ice age. God damn! So, we're at 14,000 years ago. So, all these Nazca

lines and the top of the Nazca lines, isn't there clear evidence that that area has been excavated by machines? I mean, there are entire mountaintops at Nazca that are missing, that have been sheared off as if with a cheese knife or a butter knife. But how do they know that it was higher? I mean, what is the proof? Well, because you have mountain ranges right next door, not even 100 yards away or 200 yards away. That are a certain height. Of a certain height. And it's flat.

And the other ones are completely like they're like tabletops. Are they level? Is it? Level, 100% perfection. You can play pool on it? Absolutely. Really? We should go play some pool at NASCA.

NASCA pool right now. What is the mainstream opinion of what those lines are for? It's very clear. You can only see them from the sky. If they are just artwork, they're artwork for fucking who? Exactly. How big are they? NASCA is fascinating because you have world- mean, world famous geoglyphs and mainly people see the

images of the spider and the monkey. The astronaut. The astronaut. By the way, the astronaut who looks like E.T. with the big eyes, one hand is pointing to the sky, the other hand is pointing to Earth. Suck my dick. That's where it is. Go to space.

Earth is dick. suck my dick that's where it is go to space where's his dick um and so uh you know but at the same time you have those lines uh that look like landing strips that look like landing strips and by the way we never suggested that they actually were landing strips because the argument is completely ridiculous because what extraterrestrials traveled millions and billions of light years on a plane before they can land land is to get to build airstrips. I mean, it makes no sense. So for the debunkers to even say that, I mean, they're nuts. What do you think those lines are, then?

Those long, straight lines, they look like, you know, it looks like an airport. And there's absolutely no doubt in that that it looks like an airport. So, for example, look, right now we've got a rover on Mars that's driving around and it's leaving behind these tracks. So we're suggesting that at some point a long time ago, some type of an unmanned or possibly even manned craft landed at Nazca to conduct the core drills and and core core samples of the ground to determine what's in that area because still today nasca is a bunch of drilled holes right yes and there there are you know and there's still mining going on today at nasca because it's very abundant in uh very precious raw materials on earth. So if you want to know about planet Earth, you can go to NASCA, and by conducting a few days of research, it's like the cliff notes of planet Earth, essentially.

And so imagine if you had a bunch of natives there, and all of a sudden this thing lands that conducts a bunch of research. They're, of course, afraid. They run away. And then this craft leaves again and it leaves it has left behind some tracks in the sand or on the ground and then they come back out and they look at this stuff and they're like oh my god what just happened here i think we were just visited by god um doesn't it mean and then they recreate it these funerary objects that are 1 500 years old that look like planes that are from Central and South America,

doesn't it make more sense that they had planes? That someone had planes back then? Well, yes, of course. I mean, that is the suggestion. Yeah, there must be runways, and that's what this whole Nazca Line thing, maybe it really is an airport. Look, I'm always one to say never say never. So is it possible? As long as it's aliens.

I don't care. Exactly. Flesh and blood ones at that. No, but the thing is that, you know, the bottom line is that at NASCA, what's really odd is that we have done some research there where we found, you know, higher levels of arsenic in areas where there shouldn't be any arsenic, and very bizarre magnetic

fields there where you can put down your compass and it keeps on spinning and things like that at the beginning and the end of these runway-looking strips. And so something definitely happened there because the whole idea that it was very easy to build these things is nonsense because people have suggested oh all you have to do is you have to scratch off the surface of the of the of the ground and then you expose the lighter or the darker underground with the pebbles and things like that we've tried that and people have tried it doesn't work that way there's just so many things in peru it's not just that oh no with machu picchu and thes, those people that were deforming their heads.

What is the explanation for that? They made their heads look like alien heads. Yeah. They flattened them out and stretched them out. Well, and here's the crazy thing, that archaeology even has an answer to this. And they say that the reason why, and this was achieved by binding the infant's head upon birth with wooden boards so that the brains or the brain chamber would grow into this elongated fashion. And the archaeologists are saying, well, yes, of course they did this because they were mimicking or worshipping their gods. And then they pat each other on the shoulder, and then they go home and say, case solved, mystery done, we're out of here, this is it.

And that is exactly where I say, no, this is not where, the mystery is not solved, because the question is, okay, you just said that this was done in order to worship the gods. Well, my question is, who were these gods? That is the question that the archaeologists are not answering. Are there any images that they have of these gods? Well, for example, all over ancient Egypt, which, by the way, the skull deformation phenomenon also happened in ancient Egypt.

It happened in Germany. It happened in Russia. All around the world, do we have these elongated skulls that are obviously human in origin, but they all have all these elongated heads. And then there are some skulls that we don't know if they're really human in origin. I mean, who knows? You know, like that star child thing?

What do you think about that? Is that a horseshit? That, for example, I mean, it's definitely something worth looking into. Absolutely. There's no question in my mind. But to return to the elongated... You don't know about Star Child?

No, what is that? Star Child's a skull that they found that's really freaky looking. They've determined that it's human, but it might be human plus something else, like the mitochondrial DNA, whatever the fuck it was. I think it's determined that the mother was human, but they don't know what the father was. Yeah. This is just reading it online.

It could easily just be some horrible birth defect. Yeah, no, it's to be debated, but it's definitely a fascinating story that merits further investigation. What places out of all these sites, what places haven't you been to? Have you been to most of them, 80% of them, 90% of them? No, I mean, I've been about to 75% of the stuff. That's amazing.

Yeah, you know, I mean, see, that's the one thing. What's the most mind-blowing? Puma Punku. I mean, look, for sheer size, it's definitely the Great Pyramid on the Giza Plateau. Have you been? No. You must go. Eddie's been. You have.

I've only been to Chichen Itza. That's also a crazy thing with the shadow play, with Quetzalcoatl and all this. I mean, you know that when you stand in front of that pyramid, you're breathless. You can't breathe. They're so incredibly massive. You know what's crazy about them is

that you never see in the pyramids and the pictures that you see, you never see that there's like a ghetto, an Egyptian ghetto all around it. There's one side of the pyramid where it's all open desert and then right there you're in a ghetto. And the cool thing is when you drive around in this ghetto

you're in garbage but the pyramid is always visible wherever you go. So you've got this ancient monument and then you... Check cashing place. Yes, exactly. Not even. Gang bangers.

Ain't enough. Egyptian drive-bys. Cheap goat heads. You know what's cool about your job? You have... Your job is so cool that if there was ever a chick that was like a little bit out of your league,

you could always say, you know, I'm going to Machu Picchu next week and I want you to go with me right and what girl wouldn't go we were saying that tom segura if i was a chick i'd be willing to fuck him just he's telling me so much about machu picchu man that's always a deal closer right there yeah you have good genetics and we get traveled man a man with that kind of experience he's don't know. He's kind of a nerd. He's sort of a nerd, but damn. He's got crazy hair. I love his jewelry.

I do want to go to Easter Island. The Puma thing, it's weird how it has the Nazi symbol built into it, that one part. I bet he has chicks laying out. You probably have chicks laying out on Easter Island. You know what I mean? In a thong. In Puma Puku, there's a swastika.

There's a swastika in Puma Puku. There are swastikas all around the world. In there's a swastika there's a swastika and there there are small stickers all around the world in fact a swastika is has its origin in in ancient India yeah and in a good fortune absolutely absolutely so that I was well first I tell people that now first of all they reversed their refer to reverse the direction but whatever whatever. But the bottom line is they ruined that and the little mustache. Michael Jordan tried to bring back that little mustache. That's the kind of ego that motherfucker has. Maybe they reversed it to say sign of death instead of sign of good fortune, right?

Sign of bad fortune. They just ganked it. They just stole it. No, and it was also used in ancient Greece. I mean, it's symbolism. But they reversed it, though. It's not the same. They did reverse it. also used in ancient Greece. I mean, it's symbolism. But they reversed it, though. It's not the same. They did reverse it.

Yes, yes, absolutely. Symbolism is fascinating, which is one of the most fascinating things to me about the Egyptian language, that it was all symbols. But instead of, you know, with us, with letters and each letter having a sound, what they have is like these symbols.

Apparently just absorbing the language, just interpreting it, just has a completely different experience in the human mind. You know, all these symbols. You know, we have symbols that we register, like this is a McDonald's symbol, this is Sitco, but their language consisted of these things,

and that is a completely different experience than reading our language. And the ancient Incas had nuts. They had string with nuts. That was their language. That was their written language. I mean, nuts. I had string with nuts. That was their language. That was their written language. I mean, nuts. I wonder why they got jacked by the Spanish. You know?

The Spanish came over and go, yo, yo, yo, should we kill these people? Dude, they're writing strings. Shut up. They're giving us their gold. Let's get the gold first. Put that motherfucker on the ship.

That is another fascinating thing. Because they were cool for a while with them. For a while. Until the gold, once the gold ran out, they started fucking slicing all the hashtags. Well, they started realizing that they weren't gods anymore, too. They thought people on horses were gods.

Well, there's actually a little bit more to that story, and that is that... Get out. Yeah, no. That was it. That was the whole story. The end. Thread slash thread. No, that many ancient cultures based their whole calendar on the return of the gods.

And it just so happened that both Cortes and Pizarro happened to arrive on those shores in the same year. They fucking lucked out. It absolutely was complete chance. And doesn't the serpent, the pl the serpent the plume serpent doesn't that same thing mean a bearded man isn't there like a the translation of quetzalcoatl and kukulkan is like like so similar to a man with a beard and that you know this is one of the reasons why the aztecs were so baffled by these people. Right. Because they were men with beards. Yeah, yeah, yes.

I mean, that's... Is that right? Yeah, that's part of it. But, you know, to me, that's, you know, it's a bit kind of... It's very elitist in a certain way, because even though those theories have been proposed, that, you know, and all of a sudden, this red-headed guy appeared with a red beard and things like that, and that's why he was

worshipped. I mean, I don't think that people or that, you know, those cultures back then were so shallow. I think it has more to do that this Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan character, if he was a red-headed guy, that he flew around in this flying

or plumed or winged serpent. And that this winged serpent, we all know that snakes do not fly. When you eat enough mushrooms, they do, bro. I know. They talk to you, too. But see, here's the thing, that you can't attribute everything that a person sees to mushrooms because... If you've done enough mushrooms, you can.

Yes. No, look, I have to say something about... Yes, no, but the thing is that our collective... You can after a while. Our collective consciousness today is way bigger than the collective consciousness back in the day. How do we know? Well, because today, if...

Yes, no, I mean, the thing is that, you know, today, if we see a spaceship or a UFO, we can immediately recognize it as a spaceship or a UFO. Back in the day, if you didn't know what that was, it doesn't matter how many mushrooms you took, you still had to describe it with something. It was a spark of inspiration or a spark of something that that motivated or inspired all these stories so yes but how do we not know that what these stories are is people's memory of someone else who had seen people who were flying around and it was thousands and thousands of years ago so over time but that, these stories get more and more diluted. But in your mind,

it all goes back to aliens. And they absolutely did. They did get diluted. That's the whole idea. That's why we have Christianity today and Islam and all those different things. You believe the Zechariah Sitchin depiction of humanity

that we are engineered from lower primates by some aliens to mine for gold? I subscribe to the first part of that statement, yes, that we came about through a direct target mutation of our genes, and that will be the ultimate proof, by the way. The ultimate proof of ET visitation won't be in a crashed spaceship or in finding a ray gun or something silly like that, but it'll be found in our own genes, that something happened in the past that did not come by chance.

But haven't they already mapped out the human genome? Isn't that how they understand, like, the people, white people, are mostly related to Neanderthals? And, you know, I mean, haven't they figured out all these things? Yes, of course. I mean, there's definitely many, many conclusions have been drawn, but there's still... Is there mystery in the human genome still? Absolutely.

Absolutely. For example, that, you know, 95% of our human genome, of our DNA makeup, allegedly, is junk. I completely disagree with that. Just because we can't decipher those 95% yet doesn't mean that that 95% truly is garbage. Do you think that in our lifetime things are ever going to change? I'm sorry, go ahead.

Quickly, though. And no, we were not created as slaves. No. Absolutely not. You don't believe that. You think we're just... That's, again, doom and gloom nonsense. So they came and they just sort of fucked with people

and created... Just like what we will do 5,000 years from now on another planet, you know, if we want to experiment. And I think that, you know, good in the end always outweighs the bad. Tell that to the Indians. They got jacked.

Well, you know, but seriously, that, you know, you can definitely make an argument that if we go out there, that it won't be to destroy others, but, you know, in a benevolent way. In planet Earth, every single intelligent animal that's less intelligent than us, we've enslaved. We've fucked with dolphins, orcas, monkeys, chimps. Everything that we can fuck, we fuck. Everything that we can eat, we eat. And that is the evidence of every other intelligent life, how it treats that other intelligent life that it can manipulate. Like dolphins killing other dolphins, and orcas killing dolphins, orcas killing whales.

But I also think that that is why, that is the reason why we have not yet made official contact with any type of... So we're not ready. We're not ready. We fuck too many animals. I wonder what are the top five animals that we fuck. I would say sheep, number one. Sheep's got to be one.

Donkeys. That Colombian donkey show, you ever watch that? Chicken. Chicken would say sheep, number one. Sheep's got to be one. Donkeys. That Colombian donkey show. You ever watch that? Chicken. Chicken. Chicken. Chicken. Chicken.

Chicken. Chicken. Chicken. Chicken. Chicken. Chicken. Chicken. Chicken.

Chicken. People fuck their dogs. For sure. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's been... Yeah, and then that Dave Chappelle bit about trying to fuck a monkey. You can't fuck a monkey. You can't fuck a monkey.

Monkey will bite you. You know how strong a monkey is? It'll throw you across the room. Snap your dick off like a piece of celery and throw it in the tall grass. Never to be seen again. You know how strong a monkey is? So, in closing, this has been a crazy fucking conversation. We got the top five right there.

It took us 20 fucking seconds. Yeah, it's not hard at all. Top five animals. Jellyfish. Maybe someone really crazy. Seeing enemies. Someone fucking seeing enemies. Frogs like a pocket flashlight.

Yeah, for chimps, right? I bet in the zoo they give them a little tranquilizer. I bet dudes will fuck lions and tigers. Wow, just to get off. Just a little tranquilizer. Did you see that guy, the congressman that got busted? He's a furry. Apparently he's been doing a lot of weird shit.

He's kind of crazy. In the tiger costume? Woo, yeah. Congressman Woo. His staff's trying to get him to resign. I don't know if he's resigned yet. It's inevitable. But apparently he's out of his fucking mind,

dressed up like a tiger. It's like one of those kids' costumes. It's not even a cool tiger costume. Well, that's what the furries wear, you know. We've talked about furries in the podcast before because I was in Pittsburgh and they had a furry convention at the same time that the UFC was in Pittsburgh. And all these furries in the podcast before because i was in pittsburgh and they had a furry convention at the same time that the ufc was in pittsburgh and all these furries were wandering

the streets and the people in the hotel set me hip to furries because they go to pittsburgh every year so the uh the guys that are working in the hotel tell you the nutty stories these people shit in the litter boxes and some of the furry community actually got upset with me that i was spreading misinformation well i say no you may not, I say no. You may not. If you're a furry, you may not be into the dirty aspect of the furry. But there's a broad spectrum of furry behavior, folks. And just because you're not into taking shits in litter boxes doesn't mean that the man who worked at the Westin didn't tell me that they called down and asked to put a large litter box in the fucking lobby of the Westin. Because the furries had every room in the Westin, so they wanted a litter box.

One litter box for everyone. Yeah, the guy who, I asked the guy who was delivering the food, and, you know, the room service guy, he said that they ask for bowls, like, to eat on the ground, like, to eat, like, dog bowls, like, big bowls,

they want all their food in bowls, and then they go over there, the bowls are on the ground, like, bowls of milk, they ask for a large bowl of milk, and they eat it like an animal. And this dude's a congressman. We're so up the ass of politicians that there's no one left but

crazy people. There's no one left but Michelle Bachmans. You gotta be completely out to fucking lunch to want to be the president of this country. It's nuts. And coming from the alien guy, that's saying a lot. Thursday. Thursday, Ancient Aliens,

the premiere of season three. Good luck with that, sir. Thank you very much for coming on the podcast. And if you want to follow Giorgio on Twitter, it's Tsoukalos, T-S-O-U-K-A-L-A-O-S. L-L-O-S. O-S.

I'm going to say it again. T-S. This is Tsoukalos. At T-S-O-U-K-A-L-O-S. Nice. Got it. And Eddie? I'm going to be in El Paso, 10th Planet El Paso, this Saturday.

Go to 10planetjj.com. You had to reschedule, right? You got sick. Yeah, I got sick last weekend. So I rescheduled it for this Saturday. Go to 10planetjj.com and get on the Nibiru forum. That's the name of my forum. 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu is the name of my forum.

10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. I love it. That's great, man. We named it when we were high talking about Zacharias Hitchens. Sweet. I wanted to call my school Nibiru Jiu-Jitsu, and then it sounded too weird, and Joe goes, dude, just call it 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. I'm like, ah, that sounds stupid.

Two minutes later, I thought, damn, 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu does sound way better than New Beauty Jiu-Jitsu. I named my forum the New Beauty Forum. That's where all the information is. Jiu-Jitsu history, bitches. August 13th,

I will be in Milwaukee with Mad Flavor, a.k.a. Joey Diaz, at the Pabst Theater. Tickets are still available. They are going fast, though. And then September 23rd at the Paramount in Denver. Holla at your boy. And that is the last time I checked, it was half sold out already. And it's only been on sale for a couple days.

Denver, showing mad love. Can't wait to get back to Colorado before the end of the Earth, before the civilization corrodes, and that's where I'll live. Eternally. Because I'm going to travel through space at the speed of light, come back 13,000 years. There's a lot of shit that happened in this podcast, and not a lot of it was good. A lot of it was

strange. Brian fell asleep at least five times. I noticed it. Eddie Bravo. I'm just drunk off of it. Any questions before we leave for this? Man, you were fucking

chomping at the bit to get in here on this podcast. No, I was just, I wanted to just sit and listen to him talk. You know,

we got into dirty shit at the end, so. You feel like you corrupted enough? Yeah, we did enough damage. Shazam,

beautiful. Alright, thank you everybody. Thanks for tuning in. That's it for this week. We'll be back next week. We're trying to rope it together with Jay Moore. He was busy this week.

And next week, probably Joe Diaz and Duncan Trussell. See you soon. Big kisses. Mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah. And thank you to the Fleshlight. That was great. If you go to JoeRogan.net and click on the link for the Fleshlight and enter in the code name ROGAN, you will get 15% off the number one sex toy for men and then you can shoot loads in it and take naps

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