The Joe Rogan Experience - #1252 - Dave Foley & Paul Greenberg

Episode Date: February 25, 2019

David Foley is an actor, stand-up comedian, director, producer and writer. Paul Greenberg is an actor, comedian and voice actor. Together they host "Don't Say.. with Paul & Dave."

four three two one and we're live so what am i not supposed to say huh oh well yeah cunt oh yeah yeah that's our basically that's the title the title of the show that we've we've uh uh omitted from the print yes listings is uh yeah the show is actually called don't say cunt uh with paul because this is the one place where you're not going to hear the word cunt yeah it's our kind listings. The show is actually called Don't Say Cunt with Paul and Dave. This is the one place where you're not going to hear the word cunt. Yeah, it's kind of a promise for 45 minutes. There'll be 45 minutes because as we understand it, Americans don't like the word cunt.

Some Americans. It's getting number. Yeah. It used to be a lot worse. There's a bunch of women that were trying to take it back. Was that the guys we fucked, girls? Maybe.

I think it was. They were trying to take it back. They were trying to, like, you know, own it. Take back, cunt. Yeah. Take back the word. Well, I think I'm very dead inside my head. What's the matter?

Dave's having a stroke. Dave's having a stroke. Did it die? Oh. It might have disconnected. Yeah. This is fun for the YouTube audience. Jamie, I'll hook it up.

You're okay There you go Mike Plugged in There's a little bit of an issue I feel like I feel like there's a Pressure differential Oh

That's a weird feeling You only have one ear on too Oh you have both of them on now I got mine Yeah I took it off Because I couldn't hear anything Check check check check check One two three four five

No thanks That's me A little No that's Paul apparently That's me I think Check check check check check That's me That's me I think That's me I can hear now Somebody's in here Gremlins

Goddamn gremlins Monkeying with the fucking sound Which one was me? I'm going to just adjust it And that's our show There you go Hello Dave Foley I hear you Dave There we go that's good

So why did you guys choose that As your podcast title? We're Canadians Dave Foley. One, one, one, one. I hear you, Dave. There we go. There we go. That's good. So. I always hear Dave. So why did you guys choose that as your podcast title? Well, we're Canadians. Ah. And cunt is not nearly as bad in Canada as it is in the States. As in swear word. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know what. They need to put out some sort of a periodic table of the atomic weight of swear words. You know. Cunt would be quite heavy, but heavier on the american version yeah but here uh in america cunt actually just would drop through the crust of the earth yeah it's too heavy and just tunnel right down to the core you'll go through the other side yeah so yeah i guess we just found that patently ridiculous. Well, we like, you know, we grew up, I grew up hearing the word a lot from my dad. What is your dad like?

Well, he's not like much anymore. He's dead. Thanks. Sorry, dude. He died in 79. Sorry, dude. He died in 79 sorry dude died in 79 it's okay um but uh no as i always say when he was mad there are no better parents than dead parents yeah they can't fuck you up

anymore that's right but my dad was a real really fond of that word and was he english no but full canadian full canadian but being canadian is kind of like being english you guys have english people in your money still. Yeah. Yes. And we get all the English movies, all the English TV shows. We pledge allegiance to the Queen in school. Really?

Still? Is that still going on? Possibly, yeah. And in our sleep. So many good things about Canada, yet so many preposterous things. Yes. It's true. Well, the fact that a monarchy still exists at all is preposterous.

Canada is great on paper. Yeah. Well, the monarchy even itself has become Kardashianified. Well, yeah. Right. But weren't they always? I guess they were. Like during the Prince Di days.

Yeah, or even just back to Henry VIII. Sure. What maintained the monarchy other than the fact that people wanted celebrities? And those are the only celebrities they had. Right. And the priests. Yeah. And I think Henry VIII also had ass implants, if I'm incorrect.

Yes, he did. Is that true? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Good for him. Progressive. Yep.

It's ahead of his time. Yeah, that is an interesting thing. It's ahead of its time. Yeah, that is an interesting thing. It's like the Prince Charles Lady Di saga was essentially one of our first reality things to enjoy. Yeah. Yes, that was madness when it happened. It was so huge.

And then someone said, well, what if we just make Housewives in Orange County royalty? And you don't have to pay them as much as the king and queen. And you can cancel them. Yeah. Those shows are wonderful. I've never seen an episode of any of them. They're fascinating. The Beverly Hills one is, well, there's different versions of them, right? And different versions, you get to see the geographical creepiness of it.

Like Atlanta is its own thing. Yeah, Atlanta's not a bad one. The worst one was Jersey. They're fucking savage people. That's my ancestors, those fucking savage monkey folk that live in Jersey. Isn't the worst anything the Jersey version? The worst of anything. The worst penicillin is the Jersey penicillin.

CSI Jersey was terrible, by the way. Nah, that doesn't exist. Yeah, the Beverly Hills one all of them were fascinating take people, force them into these situations where they're going to have these artificial disputes what was crazy to me is watching people succumb to the pressure

of all that attention when they've never experienced it before and then you're going to just thrust them into this massively popular you know, for lack of a better word cunt fest yeah yeah right well if you take you take fame yeah and you divorce it of any supporting sort of supporting under you know talent structure yeah talent or nothing offering even something to offer yeah nothing to offer. No offering. There's no painting, no sculpting, there's no singing.

They only take. They don't give. Because fame will destroy. If you're a brilliant artist, fame will destroy you. Yes. But if there's nothing underneath the fame, there's nothing to hold it up. Well, I remember watching Kelsey Grammer's wife. I had met her before.

She seemed like a very nice lady. Camille. Yeah, Camille. And then she, I forgot her name. Thank you. I didn't want to just have him have an owner. He is a huge Camille fan. I'm giant.

I have a tattoo. I was going to say, do you have a tattoo? But she decided to play the heel. And it was so obvious that the pressure was just overwhelming the hatred that was coming her way. She had decided she was going to be the boss bitch on the show and just let everybody know, you know, this is how it is. And I'm here to run things. And just the swamp of evil that came her way. And then she's like, quit, done, fuck this show.

She bailed out of it. Good for her. Yeah. Did she even choose that role or was it like a producer that said here's your angle well according to kelsey he told her like hey okay this is what you've always wanted here like because that's like what led to their divorce or what was happening during them getting divorced you know he essentially said you know this is what you've always wanted like you know i don't think you understand this, so good luck with it.

And then she just kind of vanished afterwards. She's like, fuck all this, which is wise on her part. She recognized what it is. But those people that are on it, I know some people who know some folks that are on that show. Yeah. And they just go crazy. They start popping pills and losing their mind. They're in therapy every show yeah and it's they just go crazy they start to pop in pills and losing their mind they're in therapy every day and it's just madness yeah the desire for fame with nothing more to it than other than a desire to be famous yeah can only drive you

insane yeah i think fame fame as a as an emergent property of doing something right is bearable but it's a byproduct but so strange and so difficult to truly manage yeah but you can at least say i don't define myself by the fame i define myself by the work that created the fame yes yes whereas if there's no work underneath it it's you know you only exist in so much as people are aware of you you exist in those moments when you walk into a room and everyone's staring at you. Yeah. That's what you look for.

And that's it. Because I have that anyway because of my body. So I guess I know what real fame is like. Yeah. And the horrible allergy you have to pants. That's true. I can't wear pants every time I walk in a room. Well, I always said that fame is a property of the beholder, not the beheld.

And that fame only exists so long as somebody in the room knows who you are. Right, right. And the minute you're in a room where no one knows you, your fame evaporates. That is one of the weirdest interrogations I've ever gotten, is when people go, why do these people know you? What do you do? Who are you? Who are you?

Should I know you? Should I take a photo with you? You're somebody, but I don't know you. Yeah. What do you do? Who are you? Who are you? Should I know you? Should I take a photo with you? You're somebody, but I don't know who. The weird thing is they're almost offended that other people know you and they don't. Yeah. Like, why are you playing a game with me? Why are you, why don't I know you? They get angry.

Yeah. Well, also, there's the other thing about fame is that people feel like they can just start talking to you. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. You can sit next to you Yes Yeah Yes Yeah You can sit next to you

Oh yeah, you could be in the middle of an intense conversation with your favorite person on the planet They don't give a fuck No They know you, you've been in their house In their living room I had a guy come to me in the street and just go Hey Dave, how you doing? And I thought, oh I must know him

So I said, oh I'm good, how you doing man? And his next line was You don't even know me, you fucking phony. Dave, that was me. That was you? I wish I was better at faces. Was this in Canada? This was in downtown LA.

Really? That's amazing. You don't even know me, you fucking phony. I'm just trying to be nice, sir. Was he a drunk? No. Wow. It was a guy who just, I'm going to go pretend I know him.

Just watch this. Wow. Was that the end of the conversation? Yeah, that was basically it. Wow. Yeah. What a rude person. That's a guy who just, I'm going to go pretend I know him. Just watch this. Wow. Was that the end of the conversation? Yeah, that was basically it. Wow. Yeah. What a rude person. That's a terrible conversation.

That's like, probably the guy who auditioned for News Radio in 96 and just never gotten over it. Yeah. That fucking cunt. Yeah. He's the one.

He's the one. I was on my way to stardom. Yeah. And to be fair, it was me. Yeah, you tripped him up. Yeah. Yeah. And to be fair, it was me. Yeah, you tripped him up. Yeah.

Yeah. Are you still doing that show with Dr. Ken? No. We stopped when they canceled it. Oh. That's always a good move. Yeah, not right away. It's several months in.

To be fair, you kept doing the show after it was canceled, right? Yeah, we didn't. Was it called The Doctors? Is that what it's called? No. No, that's the other one. That's a real one. Dr. Oz, right? I can't remember. What was the name of it again? I mean, that's the other one. That's a real one. Dr. Oz, right?

I can't remember. What was the name of it again? I mean, we can still call Dr. Oz a real doctor, right? I don't think so. Is he as far gone as Drew? Once you've been pushed in front of Congress and they question you on your weight loss claims. Yeah. I had some crazy.

Your show, that had a crazy title or something, wasn't it? Dr. Ken. That was it. Dr. Ken, yeah. He just did a Netflix special. He did. He's back doing stand-up. Yeah, he's one of the sweetest guys on the planet Earth.

He is a nice man. Very, very nice guy. And he's got a lovely family. Yeah, super good guy. Are you still doing the acting thing? Are you enjoying it? Off and on. You know, enjoying is a difficult concept well you always

that's that was the take i had on it with you back in 94 it's a it's a better job than most yes you know yes you know so i like that i'm not like you know it's you know it's like when you're doing something you like there's a certain satisfaction but even then even like when we were doing news radio you don't get to enjoy it when you're doing something you like, there's a certain satisfaction. But even then, even like when we were doing news radio, you don't get to enjoy it because you're so focused on whatever the flaws are while you're making it. Right, right, right. Yeah, you get to enjoy it during the wrap party. Yeah, yeah, or 20 years later. Right, yeah.

Yeah, occasionally someone will send me a clip online. It's so strange to watch. Occasionally someone will send me a clip online It's so strange to watch It's so strange when you're watching yourself From 20 plus years ago Say something you don't remember saying Yeah And then you watch like

Wow I don't even remember that episode at all Yeah I don't remember most I never watched I think I only watched about 6 episodes Wow Of News Radio Yeah

And I loved the show But But you knew it I didn't want to watch it You were there you were there you were there when it happened yeah yeah yeah if i watch all i'd be doing is nitpicking the editing right right right yeah it's a it's a strange thing to look back when you go back you know 20 plus years and think of all the all the scenes all the writing all the work and now it's just

sort of now that's the other thing that we never anticipated, that it would be floating around the internet. Yeah. You know? Yeah. YouTube clips. Nothing goes away. News radio is floating way out in the periphery of the internet. Yeah.

But you still get drawn in sometimes. Yeah. But shows like Friends, like the fact – you know, you have young kids. Like my daughter's 15. She's watched every episode of Friends At least twice That's 10 years of shows And it's not just her, it's every 15 year old In the country

And it's like That is coming back and is significant to these kids now Well what's fascinating is I don't think those shows are being made anymore No Not like that I mean there's the Chuck Lorre type shows That I watch and I go I don't think those shows are being made anymore. No. Not like that. I mean, there's the Chuck Lorre type shows that I watch and I go, I'm missing a gene.

Yeah, why is everyone laughing so hard? Have you ever seen those without the laugh track? No. I can imagine what that must be like. They've taken some of those shows. Oh, I've seen the Big Bang Theory. I'd like to see that. They've removed the laugh track and you watch it with just the actor saying the words. And it's like.

Has anything funny ever happened on it? Well, it's just, it's strange. It's like you're watching, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. It's illogical. Yeah. And that place people get in their heads where they just go, it'll be fine. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, news radio, if we did a scene and it didn't get a laugh, we rewrote the whole scene. Yeah, literally. With the audience there.

Well, I think the term good enough is perfect for comedy. Eh, it's good enough. People are kind of chuckling. Once you get a certain number of characters that you can get to interact with each other in predictable ways on those shows, then they just sort of have them have these little scenes and have different inflections and different stumbles and they make a show out of it. And for the audience, I think it just becomes comfort.

Yes, the familiarity. I love it. I maintain that's what drove Charlie Sheen crazy. Mm-hmm. Was doing that goddamn show. Yeah, he did for a long time. For a long time. I think that's what drove

him to the edge i thought i think he was always crazy yeah but i think when you do a show that you don't enjoy doing or that you don't look the guy was in fucking platoon yeah right yeah i mean he was in some amazing films he wasn't very funny in that no no he wasn't yeah he was really kind of a bummer yeah they should have they should have taken that as a warning yeah they should take that comedy label off that. That should stop ending up on all those comedy lists. He was in Wall Street.

I mean, he was in some giant, excellent movies. And then he's on this show that doesn't really make sense. Yeah. And he's really talented. Yeah. Like, he's a really,

really talented actor. Yeah. And really funny as an actor. Like, great at... Amazing timing. What was the uh like the uh the zucker brothers franchise uh hot shots yes oh yeah he's really bad about those

those they don't make those kind of movies anymore like nobody does jokes anymore it doesn't seem no well you can't do jokes effort is frowned upon right i think you have to be lazy well comedy movies are you know there's still comedy movies right there's like the judd apatow type films and you know there's still they still make comedy movies yeah but there's it seems like there's not as many anymore yeah or maybe i just don't go out as much there's a little bit of that too but it's also like the subject matter so dangerous now like everything that used to be funny we i watched ace ventura pet detective with my kids and i did not remember how transphobic that movie is like the whole movie is one gigantic trans joke yeah it's true at the end of it i don't know if i've ever

seen it at the end of it i'm like whoa if I've ever seen it Dude at the end of it I'm like Whoa I forgot This is crazy Like The men when they find out She's a girl They're throwing up

Or that she's a boy rather They're throwing up Those are the brushing teeth And they Yeah they're scrubbing Their mouth out Everyone's vomiting You know

It's like You would be skewered If you did that today You'd be finished Yeah You'd be done And they stole that whole joke from The Crying Game. That's true.

Which is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. Wait a minute. Which one came first? I don't know anymore. Imagine if The Crying Game did a serious version of Ace Ventura. They're like, I have an idea. I forgot about The Crying Game. The whole ass-talking scene would be totally different.

Yeah. I remember watching-talking scene would be totally different. Yeah, I thought, I remember watching the crying game going, and I heard this big twist, big surprise twist. That's a guy. I bet what happens is that the transvestite turns out to be an IRA spy. Because you were already two steps ahead. Yo, I forgot that movie. Yeah. So how long have you guys been doing this podcast? How long?

Just before Christmas? Yeah. I guess. Not that long. Yeah. Yeah, probably time to wrap it up. We've known each other a long time. 30 years, I guess.

What motivated it? Our wives. Did they say, get the fuck out of here? Yeah, they wanted us out of the house, pretty much. They said, can you go do something do something else and uh and they're actually in on the podcast with us like uh chrissy my wife produces it and you know puts it all together jackie harris my wife makes it super hard to fire her it is well we're the ones who'll get fired oh man well she fired me once so that's true. As a husband. For 10 years, right?

Yeah, but Chrissy and I, we separated for 10 years. Well, actually, the last time I saw you was during that separation. Yeah. So you got back together. We got back together. Well, that's nice. She's cool. Yeah, Chrissy's great.

I remember running into her at a Satan thing. That satanic fucking thing. Oh, right. Yeah, duncan trussell my good friend was performing at uh is it stanton levay's grandson or something like anton levay's grandson and uh they were getting married at this fucking crazy theater and your wife was dressed as like a devil or some shit yeah some, some sort of gothic. She was like dancing there and I'm like, oh, hi, how are you? What are you doing here? Like, you're a normal person.

Why are you here? Yeah. But there's a picture of me with Anton LaVey that Knuckleheads to this day uses evidence that I'm a Satan worshiper. Oh, yeah. You're merely an associate. Yeah. You are a Satan associate.

I'm Satan adjacent. Yeah. I think that's what they say now. Yeah. You know? an associate. Yeah. You are a Satan associate. I'm Satan adjacent. Yeah. I think that's what they say now. Yeah. You know? And that's – Fanboy. I love that that's something people can still worry about.

There's the picture. I'm a Satan fanboy. There you are. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's good. That's me in a – I think that's Hank Williams III's shirt that I'm wearing there. It's hard to tell. Which proves it.

Hank Williams III's shirt that I'm wearing there. It's hard to tell. That's the thing. The fact that people still worry about Satan is just, I mean, you want to just say, calm down. He's not a problem because he doesn't exist just like your God. Oh, how dare you. There's people listening right now that just took their earphones off and threw them across the room. Yeah.

Well, they're going to have to get new earphones. I could hear cunt for 30 times. Yeah, yeah. They prefer cunt to that. Yeah. Son of a bitch. You could hear cunt for 30 times yeah they prefer cunt to that yeah you can say cunt as much as you want just yeah you know whether or not god exists is a fascinating point of discussion but what's interesting is is this agreement that people uh say when they decide that god exists and you decide that god exists and i decide that god exists so we both have agreed that there's this weird thing that makes no sense that we're on board with so i know where you stand on a lot of issues you know i probably know where you stand on abortion i probably know where you

stand on guns i probably know where you stand on climate change it's like it's it's a weird little thing that you do when you say that you know when you say well i'm you know i'm a god-fearing christian oh me too okay now i can predict you better it's like it's like you're all wearing the same decoder ring yes yes yeah well that is what a lot of it is a lot of it is whether or not you believe in god or not it's the saying that god's real and the worshiping god and the talking about god is just letting everybody know that they can predict you. They know where you come from. If you're a gentleman, if you're a gentleman, you're wearing a tie with a nice suit on and a pair of pants, I can fairly likely predict that you're going to be reasonably behaved.

Yeah. You're a gentleman. Yeah. If you're a Christian, if you're a person who calls himself a Christian and, you know, well, we go to church every Sunday and I like to read the Bible and I am a Christian and people automatically go, oh, okay, I kind of know where you're coming from. I can see where you are. And now I like that you can predict me because you'll like me better.

We don't have to talk about it. You just know already. Yeah, I'll reinforce those patterns in your head and I'll say some things that I've repeated things that I've heard other people say about God and Jesus. Yeah. And it's a nice way to kill time. It's not a bad way.

You know, believing in God and going to church. It's a great way. You kill time until death nullifies all meaning. Well, I think the community thing of it is a good thing. Yeah.

I think there's some really powerful bonding experiences that people have when they agree to be humble together yeah you're describing curling curling another great another great canadian that's a sport look if you are that there's two you can't see words in canada yeah very popular cunt and curling yeah that's right and there's no way cunt's curling is one of the top TV shows. You cannot rise to the tops of curling without humbling yourself. Because you humble yourself the minute you say, I'm going to go curling. Right.

When you pick up that brush with a big smile on your face and decide to sweep ice. I've tried curling, man. It's not easy. No. It's hard. Which still doesn't make it a sport. I made fun of it in Newfoundland and they fucking got so mad at me. Oh, yeah.

Don't make fun of curling, man. The arena, the theater where I was at had these pictures of curlers on the wall. I just could not stop shitting on them. Yeah. Did you get booed? They were like, hey, hey. They were legitimately upset. I'm like, it is a preposterous endeavor.

Yeah. You know it, and I know it. You're sliding a rock on the ice. Yeah. It used to be a reason to drink. That's what curling was, where everybody would get together and get wasted. And you don't fall very far on the ice because you're already squatting. Yeah. Right. a reason to drink. That's what curling was where everybody would get together and get wasted. And you don't fall very far on the ice

because you're already squatting. Right. Yeah, and the other people are leaning against brooms. That's right. You got a broom

to lean against. It's great for drinking. It's also like when you fall on ice it's almost always funny. Always. It's never. No one kind of

catches himself. No. You don't gently fall. And then trying to get up is good too. No, you don't fall elegantly on ice Right You could go hiking and slip a little

And catch yourself Yeah But even like when you're watching the NHL And you'll see players that Will just fall down Yeah Like just for no reason It's hilarious

These are the best skaters in the world And they're just gonna fall down That guy just fell on his ass He's a professional athlete Yeah Yeah If I ran ahead of him This is bullshit

With a Volkswagen I couldn't knock him over. Yeah. Right. But he just fell. How long has curling been around? Hundreds and hundreds. It's a Scottish sport. It's a Scottish sport where they used to use actual rocks they'd find in fields.

Yeah. And played on frozen lakes. Frozen lakes. Because that's the only kind they have in Scotland. Yeah. Are frozen ones. How's that Loch Ness monster been around? There's a lot of...

He's a wonderful curler. David, are you Scottish, I believe? I'm from... Yeah, I've got the whole British Isles. My wife is also part Scottish. I mean, there's a lot of Scottish people in Canada. So you can see why curling would be popular. Yeah, very, very Scottish country, Canada.

It's strange. That's why there's so many Gords and Craigs and people like that. Gord Johnson. Gordy. Gordy. Oh, that that's right That would be a Scottish word, right? Gordon Gordon Yeah, and of course, because of Gordie Howe Everyone named their kids Gord

I went to school with a guy named Gregor 60s I mean, that was his first name Gregor? Gregor I know a guy named Gregor Gregor Gillespie Fights in the UFC

Okay He's an animal Definitely kind of Gregor Probably Yeah He's a savage Can I just give one Interesting UFC memory

For me Please I watched The very first UFC one With I had a Troop at the time

And we invited A boy scout troop It wasn't It was a comedy troop We dressed as boy scouts But we invited Neil Patrick Harris over Who was 20 years old at the time.

He was in town. We just met him. And he came over, and soon as the sumo wrestler got his face kicked in and his spit a tooth out, I believe, he was like, I'm out of here. I got to get out. And we made him stay and watch the whole thing. Good for you. And that's what made him gay.

Well, thanks for ruining the story, Dave. I don't you And that's what made him gay Well that was Thanks for ruining the story Dave I don't know if that's true I don't know if it works like that Something happened Yeah maybe someone Dropped him on his head Yeah I don't think he knows

He looked like he was Alright as a kid Something went wrong Or right Depending on if you're his boyfriend Yeah Imagine It depends if he's a good boyfriend

Yeah Well I guess But I mean if the boyfriend Husband He is a husband now Husband Yeah If that guy's really into him

Thank God you watched that fight that time Yeah God thank God Otherwise I never found my perfect Who knows Who knows what happened Making babies and shit

Oh God Yeah So did you have to get remarried Or did you just pretend you never got divorced? Well, we never got... Chrissy and I never got around to getting divorced because we're bad at paperwork. Beautiful. Yeah.

So we separated. We actually filed for divorce once but screwed up the paperwork somehow. Is that true? Yeah. I didn't know that. That's interesting. And then we just never got around to it again. You just didn't fix it and refile it?

No. Yeah. I'm not good with organizing. So we were just separated for a long time. It's funny because Christy's very organized. She is. Yeah. It seems like maybe... Same with Jackie. Jackie's very organized. Maybe she's the one who wasn't willing to let go. Oh. You know? She was telling you something. Yeah. Yeah.

She was telling you something, She was telling you something Dave Clearly Yeah And that's what Yeah that's what Like all the guys We used to go on vacation With them when they were

Divorced They would go Together Yeah we did all our Family trips together They did all family trips For the whole ten years They weren't together

Well the first two years We weren't that We didn't do much together No those were No Yeah The dark years Yeah

The dark years Yeah But then Yeah that's why We kept doing all our Family trips together We go to Hawaii We didn't do much together. No, those were, no. Yeah. The dark years. Yeah. The dark years. But then, yeah, that's why we kept doing all of our family trips together. We'd go to Hawaii. It's like they were still married. All of us. Yeah. And so when we finally did get back together, it was really just so, it was mostly about the convenience of our friends.

It was just like, you know, this is going to make everyone else's life easier. Really? Yeah, because they don't, you know. Well, we didn't have to go to two houses. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Which I hated.

That's so Canadian of you. Yeah. So polite. That's what a Canadian does. Yeah. He doesn't get divorced because the friends won't be. Well, how long have you been married now? Ten years.

And that's the only time you've ever been married, right? Thank God. Thank the baby Jesus. Oh, my God. Yes. Praise Jesus. Praise Jesus. Yeah. Stunned that it's working yeah it's it's great yeah yeah if it works it's great yeah i always tell people don't do it it's too risky yeah you could 50 of the people don't make it yeah it's it's a it's not a good uh good rate of success would you drive a car if you knew that

50 likely you would die in a crash? Right. Yeah. I mean, it was an institution that made sense when you're only going to live to be 40. Well, it makes sense. There's some parts of it that make sense. The problem is that it's become a business. And it's become a business for people to try to squeeze. I'll never forget trying to talk Phil

into getting divorced. Yeah. I go, just give her half. And he goes, it's not half. It's two-thirds. It's a scam. The fucking lawyers goes it's not half it's two-thirds it's a scam the fucking lawyers get a third yeah give away two-thirds i mean he was fucking freaking out about it yeah and it's true and he could have lived nicely on that third he should have given her that yeah i don't think that i mean the word was that that's why she killed him that he was leaving that that was he was finally leaving yeah and then that's when she killed him that he was leaving that that was he was finally leaving yeah and then that's when she killed him but when we were together with him there was always days where he would come to

the set and just be just in hell oh yeah well what yeah and he wouldn't well it'd be this he'd just be on the floor of the studio and that like yeah ranting yeah about about you know i'm living in my boat and yeah he lived in his boat yeah it was rough man yeah and then he would come back like a day later

and it'd be I'm back together with my blushing bride that's the exact quote yeah that's the exact quote and we'd all just be going oh

this isn't you know this poor bastard although none of the weird thing in newsreel there was not one good marriage on the show

yeah like everyone was going through one good marriage on the show. Yeah. Like everyone was going through a terrible marriage at the time. I was proud that I was the one person who wasn't on antidepressants. Super psyched about that. I wasn't on any pills and I wasn't in therapy. But I probably needed it. I think we all did. Yeah.

But, yeah. I mean, I remember we started – I think it was the second season we came back and Steve Root had gotten divorced. Yeah. And he was the first one to get divorced. I mean, I think everyone figured it would be me or Phil would get divorced first. Not Steven. And then Maura.

Right. But Steve, yeah, we didn't know how bad it was for Steve, I guess. It's hard out there. It's hard. It's hard to make it. Hard for people to stay together, be nice to each other. Yeah. Yeah.

They say it takes work, but it actually takes work. Yeah. It does take work. You waited until you were an adult, too, which is good. It's a good move. Yeah. Most people get married before they're adults. Yeah, I think you should wait until you know who the fuck you are, and still, I'm still guessing.

Yeah. Even to this day, I'm guessing who I am. Literally am literally my dad almost on his deathbed told me don't do it you can't get married until you're 30 yeah that's a good move and uh he i didn't i got married at 30 but he was like don't do it don't do it before 30 because you don't know who you are you don't know what you're what's going on well i've seen too many predatory marriages. I've seen women marry men they don't really like because they know the man has money. And I've seen the opposite. It's just such a weird thing when you enter into contractual agreement about romance.

Like, it's not just I love you, you love me. Let's have a celebration of our love. It's not just I love you, you love me. Let's have a celebration of our love and let's invite our friends over and tell everybody we've decided to engage each other in this very special commitment. But then you start bringing in lawyers. Yeah. Right. And then it gets weird. And then you have weird state-by-state laws where there's common law marriages if you live with someone for 10 years

and yeah that might have been where humanity went wrong was when the first guys said i'm gonna be a lawyer like that was his decision i'm looking around and i think yeah there's a lot of ugliness in the world yeah what was the first thing i had to work on it was the first lawyer like what was the there's a series of laws right the first lawyers had to have been priests, right? I would guess so, yeah. Yeah, I mean, the laws initially were basically lawyers, right? What is the Pharisees? The Jewish priests.

Oh, okay. Makes sense. That does make a lot of sense. Yeah. Probably a lot of my relatives. Yeah. Yeah, like, when did it become a thing where it was you would go to law school and it was a respectable occupation and it would be good to know a good lawyer? Yeah.

I think those things started out as not respectable and people did them because they didn't have any other like choice. Yeah. And then they realized, oh, they're making all the money other like choice yeah and then they realized oh they're making all the money you know and then it became respectable yeah well once they figured out there's all this legalese and loopholes in the system there's ways to extract money yeah you just gotta be weaselly about it and like that and then they invent a whole language to exclude anyone else from understanding it yeah do you think they think they billed hourly back then still? Yeah, but then again, time hadn't been codified.

Oh, so what did they bill by? An hour was basically decided by community standards. When was time codified? When the railroads came in. Is that true? Well, that's when time zones were created. Time zones were created by the railroads. Really?

So everybody was on a different time zone until then? Yeah, every town set its own time. Wow. Like you could drive from Denver to Fort Collins and the two cities would be in completely different times. Wow. And how you sync up your watch with the town clock? Yeah, you have the clock in the main square and that would be the time. Your pocket watch.

That's the time. But when they started having to schedule railroads they realized well all these towns and then they started having huge competitions to invent uh ways of synchronizing clocks between cities so did they use a sundial to get the initial reading i think it really was just as simple as we'll call this midnight or we'll call this noon. And then they just went from there. And none of the clocks were that accurate. So time would shift over time. So it became – that was like in the 19th century was a huge move to try and find a way to synchronize clocks.

And that drove – kind of drove a lot of the beginnings of technology. Do you remember when you were a kid you would call a phone number to get the time? Always. Yes. For sure. The exact time. The weather as well sometimes. Yeah, but the time will give you.

The time is exactly 4 o'clock. 4.59 and 35 seconds. Well, and in Canada, at 1 o'clock every day, they had the national time tone, right? Yeah, yeah. At the secession of the long beep, it will be exactly 1 p.m on radio on tv why 1 p.m i don't know why yeah but that's when they would do it at 1 p.m every day the cbc would would broadcast a tone and that was the time for the whole country wow i never would have guessed that time zones are created by the railroads. Yeah. But it totally makes sense.

You can't have a schedule without everybody on the same time. Because before that, nobody went anywhere. You know, Arizona still doesn't do daylight savings time. They're like, fuck you. Yeah. That's stupid. They're allowed to do that? Yep.

Yep. Yep. Wow. If you drive from Nevada to Arizona, you miss an hour. Yeah, they aren't the only state. Isn't there another state that doesn't? I wonder. There's no one I'm aware of.

Hawaii doesn't. Hawaii? Good for them. Wow, yeah. They're good for them. Hawaii gets to do what they want. They're an island. We stole Hawaii. Yeah, that's right.

That island is theirs. Yeah. That's a fucking country that we occupy with hotels. You feel it when you're there. Yes. It's got its own feeling. The rest of it was given to us by God. Yes. That's a fucking country that we occupy with hotels You feel it when you're there Yes, it's got it's own feeling The rest of it was given to us by God That's true, it's Manifest Destiny, correct? Yes, the rest of it, but not Hawaii

No, because that came, that was late Well there's no single There's no state where the people Are so clearly Their ethnicity is so clearly defined Like they're Polynesian looking. Yeah. Totally.

They're a completely different culture. It's not like North Dakota or fucking Florida or some shit. It's like they're a different thing. They're not from the European heritage. No. Yeah. There's an interesting debate going on about what is... California moves towards permanent daylight savings time.

Yes. It's not a plan. Does that mean every day we get to get up an hour early? Yes, every day is earlier. Earlier and earlier and earlier. The majority of Arizona is on permanent standard time, and the year-round daylight savings time is followed by Hawaii and the territories of the American Samoa.

Oh, Guam and minor outlying islands. Well, I say Californiaia let's be really bold and go for permanent daylight like in alaska yeah exactly yeah yeah just give up on night well and then just everybody wants to kill themselves when it's nighttime there's an interesting debate going on in hawaii right now as to what is an invasive species. Because so much of the wildlife in Hawaii was brought over. Yes. And so there's some debate on certain islands where they want to eliminate the wild pigs because they say they're an invasive species.

And then the people are saying, well, hold on, because we kind of came after a lot of these wild pigs. Yeah. Like a lot of the wild pigs were dropped off by pirates. Like pirates and people that were in boating, like that were traveling by boat across the world, they would drop off goats and pigs on various islands so they would have something to hunt when they would come back for food because they knew that this would be a stop along their route. Which is clever. It is clever, but it ruined a lot of islands, especially the goats.

It just destroyed a lot of islands. And now there's, in Hawaii, there's a lot of mongoose. Oh, really? Yeah, they brought mongoose in at some point. I forget what it was. It was to control the rabbit population. Or the rats. I think it was to control the rats that came in, again, from shipping.

And then the mongoose probably started eating everything else. They were just all over the place Yeah Mongoose I was on an Alaska holiday And I made a joke About you know I'm looking for beavers

Because I didn't think There were beavers in Alaska Because it's too cold They said no The last ten years We've got tons of beavers here Because of global warming Really?

Beavers everywhere Yeah They're moving? Wow Yeah Beavers are migrating north? Yeah Alaska's a fascinating place

If you go there in the summer You have never seen More aggressive mosquitoes It's like they know they only have Two months to live So you get out of your car They swarm you like a cloud It's crazy I've never seen anything like it in my life

You would think tropical weather That's where the mosquitoes are No Alaska They're fucking ferocious and they're huge yeah yeah i've never i'm actually gonna go there in november i think oh yeah what are you doing doing the touring with uh who's live anyway it's like an improv tour so who's live anyway like a takeoff of whose line is it anyway yeah it's a yeah it's like Greg Proops And Jeff Davis From that show And yeah

So Greg and Jeff And Joel Murray Okay And me I guess Joel Murray's Bill Murray's brother Right

Yeah Yeah So it's like a rotating So those three guys Are the core And then there's Ryan Stiles Myself

Drew Carey And Chip Esten Sort of rotate through Oh nice The legs of the tour Drew Carey might be The nicest person That rotate through and do legs of the tour. Drew Carey might be the nicest person that's ever lived. I don't know him well. He might be the nicest guy ever.

He's fucking so nice. He put us out of work. Did he? Yeah, remember it was the Drew Carey show that finally got news radio canceled. Really? I thought it was Phil getting murdered. Not so nice now, huh? Nope.

Remember we did a whole year after that. Yeah, but I think that was what it was. I don't think they wanted to do it anymore after that. Yeah, but I think our ratings tanked when they put us up against Drew Carey. Our ratings were always shit. That's the most amazing thing is that the ratings were really great once we got canceled, and then it was on TV. They would show the reruns, and people would go, oh, this is a funny show.

Yeah, they found it. It's true. I remember Lou Morton, one of our writers, he'd show up at the read with a different number on his shirt every week when we were in the real shitter, when we were falling apart. Hello. Yeah. One of our writers Showing up at the He'd show up at the read Table read With a different number On his shirt Every week When we were in the real shit Or when we were falling apart

Yeah The lowest Number 98 Out of 100 shows Yeah 88 was one day No bullshit I go is that real

He's like yeah Like have the shirt made Yeah No he would draw it Basically a sweatshirt With a marker on it That's hilarious He would just show up

With this fucking number On his shirt And I was like 88? He's like It's a source of pride when you can Yeah Still be hanging on The one year that I thought we weren't going to get cancelled

Was the year we got cancelled I was like well we're doing pretty good Yeah well actually our ratings were alright Yeah It's a five year show right? Five years? Yeah But much like the whole

Like we never really hit 100 episodes We got to like 97 97 Because NBC didn't own it So they did that With a bunch of shows They didn't own

They do that on purpose For that year Syndication About 4 or 5 shows They cancelled it In 97 episodes Really Yeah

Cause they Cause there's If it's 100 It goes into syndication Is that right It used to be the rule Yeah Yeah

But now syndication Anything Doesn't really exist anymore Well the weirdest one Was the Charlie Sheen model That they did into syndication is that right it used to be the rule yeah yeah but now syndication anything doesn't really exist anymore well the weirdest one was the charlie sheen model that they did with that anger management show where they devised a whole new system 90 10 yeah if the first couple episodes do well fuck it we order a hundred yes and they produce them all in a year yes they just smashed them together they just they wrote it within five minutes And started filming Yeah They were like filming and writing On the fly

Everything was dog shit Charlie makes a And they shot like four episodes a week They paid Charlie in crack They just pushed Yeah Thousands of dollars worth of crack Into his account

Yeah They had one of those old timey ice guys That used to deliver ice Deliver the crack thing To his door Yeah Old time Because here's the thing

They haven't solved. You can't get crack out of an ATM machine yet. No, not anymore. You can get pot out of one now. You can get pot out of a dispensary machine. In California? That's good. Yeah, well, I don't know where.

We'll find out where they are. But they do have marijuana dispensary machines. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. You must have to show some sort of a proof of ID. Yeah, proof of age. But I guess if you just have your if you have a passport license or something a passport or a driver's license like if you can read a passport they have a machine that reads a passport at the airport

that you know when you go through uh if you have like um global entry they got the face recognition thing too i got the clear yeah i got that fingerprint one that's nice too yeah global entry is the best oak you don't have to fuck with that giant line yeah you just should have got that i got the stupid tsa got it global entry is great because it comes with tsa pre yeah i got the tsa angry again i got the clear god makes me mad yeah the the ultimate combo is tsa pre and clear yeah because you they just do The fingerprints Boom And then they push it Right into the line Sounds like venereal disease

The nice people walk you They walk you All the way to TSA pre and clear Yeah Clear Not TSA pre But clear

The nice people walk you All the way over to the Conveyor belt I want to be walked Yeah Yeah And you can't You have the option

Of actually pissing on the people That you're passing You can't piss on them You piss on their feet Because they don't have any shoes on Oh my god I have to get this Yeah That sounds fantastic

I gotta get that But then I I don't go out of the country that much But then you have to travel somewhere You don't? No not much I mean to Canada but that doesn't really matter That's not the country

Yeah That's still in this country Yeah Well you could always go through the woods To get to Canada It's true People would talk about the The border is a hundred yard clear cut

Yeah Is most of the border with Canada It's just People would talk about The border The border is a hundred A hundred yard clear cut Is most of the border With Canada It's just a hundred yard Clear cut in the forest So it's It's actually cut Yeah they just cut The trees down

It's like a hundred yards Wide And that's the border All across It's not From one end to the other Not only is it It's actually easier

To cross the border Than the surrounding area Yeah because The surrounding area Is all forest Yeah Now do they Do they actually

Maintain that cut Yeah Really So every year Someone's job Is to cut down the trees For a hundred yard space Between the United States

And Canada Yeah Wow That's most of the Canadian border Just to let you know If you're a criminal And you cross here Additional charges will apply

Yeah Because now you've fled the country Well have you ever seen You've seen the footage Of refugees coming into Canada? And the Mounties meeting them, and they're going, the Mounties are just there going, now you understand that when you cross over here, we will be arresting you. Look at that.

That's the line. Wow. That's crazy. Oh, my God. It's an actual line. The 49th parallel, it says. Yeah. Wow.

That's fucking crazy. I bet that's a- You need two passports to walk so there there america there's where your terror should lie that's the opposite of a wall yeah that's an actual welcoming path actually yeah that shows how much we like canada yeah or how little you think about it making it easier to cross yeah we'll make it really like it's super easy it's easier. That one hundred yard stretch is like, ah. Don't trip, eh? Yeah.

Relax yourself. You're about to hit paradise. And most of the visa overstays are Canadian, which is the bulk of illegal immigration in America is Canadians overstaying their visas. Yeah, right. I've done that. Yeah, it's a giant part of it, right? I mean, we all overstay our welcome. Always.

British folks, too. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I've done that. Yeah, it's a giant part of it, right? I mean, we all overstay our welcome. British folks, too. Definitely. Yeah. But no one cares. But the thing is... People don't think about Canada. There's a lot of people in this country from a lot of other countries that just keep their fucking mouth shut. Yeah.

No one knows. Like, whenever they say they know, like, they take an estimate on how many illegal aliens, I'm like, that's a guess. You just guessed. You have no idea yeah well it's kind of like well i was just thinking you actually had uh was it uh brian cox on yes and he said when you talk about the the uh the size of the the universe yes most of it's just a guess yeah based on the the observable universe based on the number of galaxies they can see they're just guessing how many galaxies there are. I think that's the same with illegal immigration.

You're just going, well, look at average. I think you're more likely to be accurate with illegal immigration than you are with stars. I don't know. Yeah, I think the star thing, the problem is, now I'll butcher this, but I think it's that literally we don't have the capability to look past 13 point whatever billion years yes

they can't really look yeah so if they look and they go oh no there's just like a big space and then yeah if you go 18 more billion years back there's a thriving community of galaxies that's distance in time but then the just the sheer vastness of the sky they've only actually like like looked at a fraction of it. Right. Well, talking to a guy like him is so amazing because you realize, okay, well, there's different kinds of humans. Yeah. There's humans that are actually studying these insanely complicated equations that are trying to prove the very nature of reality itself.

Yeah. And then there's chimps like me who are just listening going oh okay yeah okay so real real big big big yeah okay that's how do we know how do we know what started there was a bang okay what started the bang mr smarty pants but i guess but brian cox he's he's innovative prove it and that he is an astrophysicist And he looks like A young David Cassidy And he's a musician Is he a musician Yeah

And he's dreamy Yeah he's a great guy I have a crush on him I had a crush on him too Oh my god He's a super sweetheart Of a guy too Like not just

I've never met him But I love watching him on TV I did his podcast once The live version of it Which is interesting It's great And he apparently Has a new show

That's coming here That I'll go If you want to go Come with Yeah I'd love great and he apparently has a new show that's coming here that i i'll go with his touring show come with yeah i'd love to it's um he has a gigantic screen behind him filled with interlocking led screens that uh apparently it's like this unbelievably gorgeous high definition version of the cosmos so and it's created by the same people who did that movie with, which one? Interstellar. Interstellar. Oh, wow. It's created by, and it's accurate.

The CGI is actually accurate according to his type of equations. Yeah. He worked at CERN. He's amazing. He's amazing. Yeah. And he's a legit beautiful man. Yeah.

Wow. That's pretty nice. Long rock star hair. That's when he was a rock star. He does look like He's amazing. Yeah. And he's a legit beautiful man. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Long rock star hair. That's when he was a rock star. He does look like David Cassidy. He was in a band in the 80s. Oh, yeah. No, he was a legit rock star. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, genius rock star. Yeah. Good luck, guys. That guy's trying to fuck your wife. You got a real problem. I think he was in Scritty Politty. Yeah.

I think... Is that what the band was? I don't know. Just make that up. Someone should chart that. Why are astrophysicists getting cuter? I mean. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you start with Stephen Hawking, then you get to what's his name? Green. Right. Yeah. You know, Neil deGrasse Tyson. He's a handsome man. Yeah.

He's a handsome fellow. Charming. Sure. Yeah. Good laugh. Yeah. You didn't have to be pretty in the old days. No.

Well, that position of science communicator Is so effective It's so important because Most of that stuff is so dry And so difficult to wrap your head around Like you need someone Yeah Someone entertaining

Yes Someone engaging That can deliver that Like with Brian He's so nice Like that as he's He sees like so smiley and he enjoys it so much he loves talking about it so much that it becomes infectious because there's a lot of that stuff that's very difficult to follow when you try to read the papers yeah yeah

i've read the stephen hawking books and i would zone out yeah so much while i was trying to comprehend what was going on i had lawrence Krauss on and I was trying to get him to explain certain formulas and just even when he's explaining them to you, it doesn't seem to click. Like, you

really have to, it's one of those things you, it's like someone trying to explain French words to you by only speaking to you in French. Yeah. You're like, okay, but I don't speak French. And you're to you by only speaking to you in French. Yeah. You're like, okay, but I don't speak French. And you're like, yeah, well, you're fucked. Yeah.

As soon as you say infinity, that's only a mathematical idea. Yeah. I mean, how can anything be infinite? I mean. I know. I mean, in math, you can say that a straight line goes on forever, and two parallel lines will never intersect. Pi is theoretically infinite. It never ends.

Well, why is that difficult to grasp, though? That's the real question. Why do we need everything to be defined by a very obvious beginning and an end? Because everything we experience has a beginning and an end. Biologically, too. Because we experience time. Time is not experienced everywhere the same way. Well, time isn't experienced at all if you're not sentient.

True. Or if you live in Arizona. They'll whack it off. It's different. I always wondered if there was a reason why we wanted things to have a beginning and an end. Like, is it because we have our life, and our life has a beginning and an end, and all the lives of the people we know? Yeah. Well, we definitely have an end.

I guess people are obsessed with that. Do we want things to have a beginning or an end, or are we terrified of beginnings and ends? I thought too. Just the thought of an end is terrible. That's why we create gods and religions, is because the idea that life ends and that it's all been for nothing is terrifying to people. There's a little bit of that. Yeah. There's a little bit of doing it to create order in the community.

And there's a little bit of people find mushrooms and they need an explanation of what the fuck they're feeling. It's like our brains are constructed in such a way that we need an end. Yeah. Or else you don't understand where am a way that we need an end. Yeah. We need it. Or else you don't understand where am I now if there's no end. My very uninformed theory

which is that first off that everything is meaningless but that only the brain damaged are capable of conceiving

of meaninglessness because our brains are meaning machines and that we evolved and it gave us an evolutionary advantage that we give meaning to things. Like I said, this is a table because we say it's a table. It's not a table to a cat.

That's why a cat will just get up and walk around on it. Lick its ass off. It's from a mutual agreement. Yeah, we agree this is a table. And that kind of meaning let us organize our lives, let us be better hunters uh well you know what you know what constantly occurs to me and bothers me is that we decide not to drive into each other because we've painted a little line on a road down the middle yeah we've

all agreed not to cross that line that's what i'm saying we ascribe meaning to objects and that gave us an advantage over other animals and so our brains just evolved and then when we got to the point we realized we're gonna die we go well there's got to be some meaning there too so then we had to create myths that where do we go that created meaning about our lives that's a very the the dangerous loop of there's no meaning to everything and nothing has no meaning nothing has meaning that that's a dangerous loop for a person psychologically because you can get stuck in that and you can really – But I don't think you can because it's impossible to conceive of unless you are seriously brain damaged.

Well, no, I don't think it's impossible to conceive. You won't – You can intellectually think about it, but you can't grasp it really. Isn't living in the now kind of the same as life has no meaning? No, the opposite. Because you're not thinking about the future. You're not thinking about – No, you're not thinking of the same as life has no meaning no because you're not thinking about the future you're not thinking about you're not thinking about the fact that it has no meaning you're enjoying now with you're enjoying the meaning you're enjoying life you're enjoying experience you're enjoying each interaction with people you're enjoying your thoughts i think

that the the problem that people have is like what's the point that's the problem that what's that what's the point thought and that's a weird loop and that's the thing is it doesn't really matter because you're going to create a point anyway like i mean it's like there's that was an existential psychology they had there's like five different ways people ascribe meaning metaphysical meaning reproductive meaning biological meaning uh or creative meaning like the works you do right that somehow you live on in all these different ways. Like a lot of atheists tend to be artists who believe that they live on through their work, which is totally as stupid as believing in God.

It's definitely silly. I mean, obviously someone's going to enjoy your work, but I think the real meaning is in creating the work, and then the fact that people are going to enjoy it. If you're doing it because you want it to live on forever, you're a moron. Yeah, good luck with that. Because there's no forever for the whole planet. But I just think meaning is an inescapable product

of the human mind. Yeah. One example is like they did a study where they went all into the jungles of the Amazon to people who have never had any contact with the modern world. And they drew a circle with two dots and a curved line and everyone sees a

face everyone sees a face the only people who don't see a face are people who've been brain damaged and can no longer form the meaning of those lines oh interesting so you there are people who suffer brain damage doesn't that correspond to their own artwork because like their artwork is very similar to our artwork and the fact that stick figures and they represent humans. And the circle represents a head. Yeah, all that stuff. But they probably haven't had the happy face t-shirt. I had lunch with Eric Von Daniken last week.

Oh my God. Yes. Very interesting. Very weird. Yeah. He's the guy who wrote Chariots of the Gods. Oh, God. Yeah.

In his 80s now. He's a staple book in our house. And he was showing us slides. What's the real story there i was wondering mostly nonsense unfortunately was it really yeah yeah mostly mostly what it is is evidence of lost civilizations ancient civilizations that were incredibly advanced i follow the work of graham hancock and randall carlson and a few other people that are being proven actually correct more and more almost on a daily basis by new discoveries that show that that civilization predates what we initially thought with the initial way back for yeah yeah the initial thought was that somewhere around the great pyram, which is like 2500 BC, that was about as good

as anybody got. And you go back to like ancient Sumer, which is about 6,000 years ago, and then that's basically it. What they're saying is that, no, there was most likely a reset, a global reset of civilization due to a cataclysmic disaster. And there's a shit ton of evidence. There's massive evidence in the form of this nuclear glass that exists when there's asteroidal impacts.

And also, there's a guy named Dr. Robert Shock who's one of the first guys to propose this. It's actually, when he freaked me out on the podcast, he said there was a mass coronal ejection that most likely caused lightning storms, like a rainstorm, but lightning. Like that much lightning destroying the ground and that the only people that survive are people that could get undercover that could get into like caves yeah mass extinction of 60 plus percent of the large mammals in a very short

window of time almost instantaneously in north america the the the end of the ice age, like 10,000 plus years ago, there was a mile high ice in most of North America. Most of North America covered in ice and then gone. And all these areas, all these points of interest point to this one moment in time that's somewhere between 10,000 and 12,000 years ago that some big event happened and that most likely just crippled civilization and then people had to rebuild. Whatever people were around rebuilt. Well, that – because also they found like just looking at DNA that all of humanity at

one point got wiped out except for like one village. That there was only – that everyone has descended from the same group of about 5,000 people that survived. Well, there was a super volcano that erupted somewhere around 70,000 years ago. They think this is predating this cataclysmic disaster of 12,000 years ago. That they are pretty sure wiped human beings down to a few thousand folks. Wow. Yeah. So you think all the culture and all.

I want to say, where's that one is that like i want to say it's where's that that super volcano there's there's a super volcano that knocked everybody down we'll find it yeah we got one under yosemite right well it's yellowstone yellowstone yellowstone's gonna get us all every six to eight hundred thousand years it blows i think we're due right that's why i don't go camping don't go camping well't go camping That might not be the worst place to go No Like go camping Be over in a second

That way yeah That way when it ends It ends quick You don't want to be living in New York No Just choking on Just a cloud of dust Toxic fume

Yeah That's the worst Watching people eat homeless folks In the street Yeah There's no You can do that now in New York Good place

Yeah Well there's also like Things that fly through space And zip by You know know, like they're constantly finding these things. Yeah. That's the thing. Well, it's the Eric Von Daniken thing.

I remember as a kid going, my problem was that they kept showing these massive paintings that can only be seen from the sky. So therefore, there must have been drawn for aliens. No, if you believe God is looking down on you, you're going to draw big paintings for God to look at. Right. So you don't need that. Right.

But now I'm more, the thing I've become obsessed with lately is skepticism about UFOs. Yeah, that's why I wanted to talk to you about this, because you told me that you've become obsessed with UFOs recently. Oh, yeah, completely. And it's like lever yeah totally really yeah totally believe the ufo phenomenon is real i don't know what it is but it's totally it has to be real something's happened why is that because there's just way too much evidence that it is real what evidence uh well uh radar evidence uh that the the f-16 locked on a UFO, that footage. And also just, like, I know a friend of ours, I don't know if she wants to say it, but her father was an air traffic controller.

And he told her, he said, yeah, every air traffic controller has seen something. And I had another friend whose father was a commercial pilot. And she said, yeah. My dad said, every single pilot has seen something. And they've all been told not to say anything about it we have a couple of friends that say they were abducted yeah yeah the abducted one is a little easier to wrap your head around because when you're sleeping your brain is producing all sorts of endogenous psychedelic chemicals yeah almost all of these experiences

happen when you're sleeping almost all these experience when these people are abducted they're taken from their beds which is when they're dreaming yeah Almost all these experiences when these people are abducted, they're taken from their beds, which is when they're dreaming. I mean, it's like there's some real clear, easy steps to follow if you want to follow Occam's razor and not get crazy with it. But it knocks those out, but it doesn't knock out like Barney and Betty Hill and all the people that are abducted fully conscious and that remember it without hypnotherapy. Like, I'm not sure about the abduction phenomenon.

I don't know Barney and Betty Hill I know the story but I don't know them So I would have to know them There's a lot of people that I've I did a show for Syfy Called Joe Rogan Questions Everything And that cured me That show cured me of a lot of my nonsense

With conspiracies Well we used to talk about it That stuff all the time But I needed to actually study it So for six months with conspiracies well we used to talk about yes yeah that stuff all the time yeah yeah but i i needed to actually study it so for six months that's basically all i did i interviewed people and i like bigfoot believers ufo believers all and the one thing that they have in common is they all seem to be kind of lost and dependent upon this thing being real yeah right instead of being objective there's only one lady that i interviewed that saw bigfoot that really seemed

to be telling the truth but i think she saw a bear yeah bears walk on two feet all the time they do it all the time there's video footage you can find it all the time and she was in the pacific northwest which is incredibly dense woods. You see something. You glimpse it. Look, I was hunting once in Canada, in Alberta, and I thought I saw a wolf for like two seconds. It was a squirrel. Okay? Understand this. A very big squirrel?

What is that? Wolf? No, it's a squirrel. No, I just saw fur. I saw fur because it's really dense woods. Because I was looking for fucking wolves. because I know we did see one wolf across the road it was either a wolf or a coyote

it was hard to tell because it was at dusk it was very dark out but when you're looking for something you think everything is that thing you're looking for so for a second I thought that fucking squirrel was a wolf that's funny

well expectation and perception are very linked yes well they found that that 50% of everything you see is a product of memory. Yes. That when you observe something, they've done fMRIs and that most of the activity in the brain is in the memory centers, not in the visual centers. Interesting. Only about 50% of the activity is in the visual centers of the brain. That's crazy.

The UFO thing is very When I was a kid I went and saw Carl Sagan speak At U of T At the University of Toronto And I was like you know 14 But he did an equation on the board Of the possibility of Alien life

Other than us in the universe And it came to the smallest I mean he spent the whole time writing on this chalkboard. It was fascinating. But he actually came up with a number at the end. And it was such a small, he says, there is something out there, but they are so far away

that unless they can go faster than the speed of light, which he said was impossible at the time, this is the 70s, there's no way we've seen them. That's what he said. So if some other beings have conquered the speed of light thing, then maybe we could see them. Yeah. then maybe we could see them. Yeah. But that's the thing with the exact problem with this skepticism in general

is like that it, you know, like the skeptics of the 19th century were the ones who said germs don't exist. Right, because we can't see them. And people who said

germs did exist were ridiculed and laughed out of the trade. Mm-hmm. Right? I agree with you completely just because you can't see it or it isn't happening doesn't mean it can't happen.

And even since Sagan's day, there had been no exoplanets discovered then. Right. Now there are literally trillions and trillions of Earth-like planets. Yeah. They just speculated as to the existence of them outside of our solar system before. The real problem is that there some, there's a leap,

and a leap, a technological leap that opens the doors to massive innovation. Yeah. That once this happens, once this happens and then all this stuff sort of exponentially expands in terms of technological possibilities, all you would need is a few hundred years and you have an unrecognizable set of technology yeah sure you know i mean what you were talking about cern i mean the whole antimatter idea that they're still trying to figure out yeah uh that's an

insane sorts of energy that we have never even experienced Yeah You know With a grain of sand Yeah That can run a city Yeah And it's that big Yeah And there's also a theory There's a recent one

That space time itself Doesn't exist So the speed of light Barrier Becomes moot Because I guess it's the holographic Quantum hologram

Quantum holographic theory of the universe. Yeah. Is that Michael Talbot's book? I can't remember. Holographic Universe, is that who wrote that? Yeah, I think so. But the idea that the universe is basically just a geometry that when you look at it from a certain angle seems three-dimensional.

Right, and it folds into itself, so you could travel through. That's the wormhole thing, right? It's not even that it's the idea that that that space time is an illusion is uh and that that it doesn't really exist and that's why you know like uh entanglement is possible you know the idea that you know spooky action at a distance yes that quantum yeah quantum entanglement. Yeah, but the reason that, you know, these atoms on opposite ends of the universe can affect each other instantaneously. At the same moment. Is because they're not really at opposite ends of the universe. They're really right next to each other.

It just seems like they're at opposite ends of the universe. Because our ability to perceive is basically based on what we have to do to stay alive on this planet. based on what we have to do to stay alive on this planet so our meager little chimp brains trying to quantify all these things that are around us all the time so we put them into this sort of three-dimensional box of movement and distance and and that the entire the entire universe could be a compact thing yeah that projects itself like a hologram onto a screen. I love these kind of conversations because I'm clearly too stupid to really understand

what we're saying. And I don't understand anything I just said. And I don't understand you two so how stupid does that make me? Well, we don't understand each other. This is perfect. We're all the same.

Yeah. That's why like I think it would be interesting to do like a documentary or something about about ufology because one thing is the assumption that they're

extraterrestrial is an assumption. But the thing that intrigues me is the power of ridicule to silence even the most intelligent people in our community from examining something. Like, ridicule kept doctors from accepting germs. Sure. Because they didn't want to be ridiculed by their peers and even now you've got people that will like Michael Shermer will cling to the most absurd explanations for phenomena like the F-16 uh radar footage uh what did he what

was uh Michael Schermer I can't remember it but it was was pretty – it really went to great lengths that entailed having to basically diminish any respect you had for any of the people who reported on the events. It had to go into character assassination in order to eliminate it. Yeah. Well, that's the best way to kill an idea. He's a professional skeptic, and I like Michael a lot, and he's been on the podcast many times. And I like Michael a lot, and he's been on the podcast many times, but I actually had him debate Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock about these ancient civilizations, and it wasn't very good for him. There were some clunky moments. Because skeptics are believers.

Well, the problem is they're believing in skepticism. The problem is being a skeptic itself. It's a stupid way to look at the world. You're actually sure about something. I mean, you should be objective. Right. Don't be skeptical. Right. Being skeptical is like, I don't know.

But I know for sure that that's not true. Yeah. But it serves a massive purpose for people that really don't understand things. And he can explain it to you with actual science. As long as the actual science is being used and it's not character assassination it's not mockery it's not it's not there's certain people that are just debunkers they can call themselves skeptics but they're not looking at things like oh maybe that is effective maybe that is healthy maybe that is interesting no they don't look at it that way they're looking at it they're

trying to pick it apart and that's fine if you can pick it apart, but if you cannot, you have to be objective about the fact that, oh, well, this is a very interesting phenomenon, and this is what we know about science, and this is what we know about this thing, and right now we have a weird conundrum. Jared Polin Did Chariots of the Gods, man, did he – Pete Slauson Eric von Däniken. Jared Polin Was he a believer? Pete Slauson 100%. He's all in. Jared Polin Still is. Pete Slauson Still in, 100 he's all still is still in all in i asked him

the first thing i asked him i said what is the pause yeah desperately have to go go go go the first thing i uh asked him was what is the most compelling piece of evidence is the you know and he pointed to this um a mayan stone plaque that's in palenque I don't know if you've ever seen it Is it in the book? Yeah it's a god One of their former kings That is lying on his back And it looks like he's moving

Some, Jamie see if you can find that thing It's this really cool Carving that they found That looks like there's a guy who is in a seat, and it looks like there's fire behind his back. And you could say that he's manipulating controls on a ship, and he's shooting a rocket into the heaven. I would like to see what the mainstream version of that is,

because also it could just be art. Imagination. the mainstream version of that is because also it could just be art you know imagination yeah it could be that they they knew about certain things being propelled by fire there it is yeah that's it so if you see this i mean that's a big ass stretch to say that guy's in a spaceship i don't know what the fuck that is he's sitting down it's like an altar kind of to me he could yeah but it does look like he's looking through an eyepiece right that's true but what does that mean is it a telescope maybe he's just got a telescope maybe it's just an astronomer yeah it is possible i don't think they had telescopes no i don't think a telescope was even invented till no do they even have glass at that

point oh i don't know well i don't know if the mayans did wow but but that was his number one piece of evidence was when i was like that's kind of silly i mean when we were kids in the 70s that you know bigfoot you know and chariot to the gods and everything was so new hey look at this image look at the bottom of it even the part where the flame's supposed to be coming out from below him which flame yeah where's the flame i guess the flame is the shit at the very, very bottom. But, I mean, I'm not even sure I buy that. If you were going to draw fire, you'd do a really shitty job if that's your fire. That doesn't really look like fire to me.

No. It looks like an ornate seat or something. Right. If that's fire, like, what is all the stuff around him? What's all that stuff? That looks kind of mechanical, though, right? It looks like there like there's bolts it does did they have a fire god maybe they drew the fire god it looks like a monkey kind of face with titties monkey's got some titties oh now i get it right and then the monkeys is that his teeth it's the first tutors like arms

actually right yeah it does it could be arms but that's point, is it's so open to interpretation. There's so much that you could see if you're looking to see. But what I do see is this guy who's... He's reclining in an odd way. Yeah, he's chilling, and it looks like he's looking through something. What's that thing hanging across him? Do you see that thing across his arm? Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that is. But here's the thing.

I don't think anybody knows what the fuck that is. I don't know what the fuck that is. But here's the thing. I don't think anybody knows what the fuck that is. But so for him to say that this was the number one most compelling evidence. I mean, were people getting high at this point? Oh, yeah. So, I mean, that could be just some guy got high and carved something. Yeah, they were taking different kinds of plants that had lysergic acid in them.

I had a great tour um in chichen itza we uh went through and we hired a guide who was a professor he was fantastic it was really good he was he really loved mayan civilization he was super passionate about it and then when he found out that i'd read a bunch of books on and he was really excited about it so he took us to these all these different areas but there was a one area where they had this hall where they would just get fucked up. And he was like, this is where they would do their psychedelics. Wow. They would take different forms of plants.

There's a bunch of different plants like morning glory seeds. Really? Yeah, morning glory seeds. The same ones you find today? Mm-hmm. Yeah. They actually try to mute them. A lot of people don't know that morning glory seeds actually contain,

what is the active compound? I think it's a cousin of LSD. It's something psychoactive that's very closely related. And what they would do is they would make it, they would take the morning glory seeds, they would soak them, and I think they would smash them and make a cake and bake it. So they have LSA. LSA.

Less surgic acid, right? Is that less surgic acid? Get concentrated. Wow. Yeah. And so when you buy, they've engineered morning glory seeds, many of them, to not be psychoactive. They've done things to them because so many people in the 70s were getting high off morning glory seeds.

Oh, isn't that funny? Yeah, Terrence McKenna, who's one of my favorite psychedelic authors, that was his first psychedelic trip. He was a young man. He ate morning glory seeds. He bought them and smashed them up. Teens trying to get high, sickened after eating flower seeds. Today's show. What year is that?

That's so funny Two, three years ago Oh Yeah They bought flower seeds Recently They probably heard me Talk about it

Yeah Oh that's baby wood rose That's so funny Morning glory Yeah okay Those are morning glory ones Yeah but see It's better than

Smoking banana peels I don't know why They're getting sick They're probably pussies. Too many. Little bitches. Look at that. Apparently these seeds contain D-larcic acid amide, LSA, which closely resembles LSD.

But see, all of them don't have that. Now, when they say they got sick, what did they have? Nausea and vomiting. Oh, they had a bad trip. And introspection. Oh, introspection is sickening. That's the worst part. Oh, they had a bad trip. And introspection. Oh, introspection is sickening. Yeah. That's the worst part.

But yeah, apparently that's how a lot of the Mayans, a lot of the Mayans used to take LSA. They used to take this stuff. They used to take morning glory seeds. And McKenna said that when he did it, he saw a lot of like classic Mayan iconography. He saw like a lot of classic Mayan iconography. He saw a lot of imagery. So maybe that's just how it reacts with the brain. It could be. That's a really plausible theory.

There's another theory that's a little more slippery, and this one is very woo-woo. And the idea is that every experience that you have, like say if you take mushrooms, right? Every experience that you have, like say if you take mushrooms, right? When you're eating mushrooms, you're not just having an experience where your brain is interacting with the substance, but you are in fact experiencing all of the people that have ever interacted with this trip. So that's one of the reasons why psilocybin is so potentially potent is that you're not just accessing we're talking about morning glory seeds oh right and uh people getting high on morning glory seeds that this was something that the mayans did we i remember we did that when i was in high school oh there you go um but there explains a lot the thought well the mckenna was saying that when he did it he saw all this uh i think he said either mayan or egyptian iconography saw a lot of like

images that were very similar to like these ancient civilizations and the thought is that either this is what's it's doing to your brain or the more woo-woo thought is that when you are having a psychedelic experience especially when you're consuming something like a fungus like psilocybin that you're not just having this experience where this chemical is interacting with your brain, but you're entering into the realm of all the previous experiences that human beings have had with this, which is one of the reasons why psilocybin has such a rich history. And these are incredibly potent experiences when you do take psilocybin. And then also ayahuasca.

Ayahuasca ayahuasca yeah when you take that people see jaguars and snakes and all these different things and so the thought behind that is that you are interacting with all the experiences that all these different people have had with these with these various uh substances is it what's genetic inside you like from here i mean who knows i mean it's all, yeah. That's all just speculating. But what's interesting is that McKenna said that ketamine, which at the time when he was alive, he died in the early, I think early 2000s, right? I think he died like early 2000s. That ketamine was a weird drug to take because it seemed like no one had taken it yet.

That you would take it and it's like you were in an empty office building. Like it's all built, but there's no one in the building. Whereas if you're taking LSD or if you're taking psilocybin, you've this all these experiences that people have had. So it's like the drug itself or the compound itself absorbs the experiences of the user and transfers them to the next users. Wow. Very woo-woo. Yeah, it is. I like that idea, though.

But when you do something that's as potent as psilocybin, you're open to fucking anything. If that's possible, if you can eat five grams of mushrooms and that happens, goddammit, I'll take whatever you got. What else you got? What else you tell me? I don't know what the fuck this is. What is this? And that's, yeah, I don't know what the fuck this is Like, what is this?

And that's, yeah, I don't know what you guys talk about Yeah, psilocybin can treat intractable depression Yes People take Oh no, it opens up doors in your brain You take it one Will always stay closed Yeah, like you do one psilocybin trip

And then for like six months Their depression is completely gone Yeah My parents had a friend who was Experimented on in Canada As a With the LSD. So she lost her mind eventually. But she didn't know at the time.

It was a government. The CIA was experimenting on Canadians. Of course. Just have to get across that clear cut. Dopamon. That's right. Back then it was harder. There was a shrub

that they couldn't get over. That's the thing. They had the full cooperation of the, it was the Diefenbaker, I think. Yep. You guys know

the Ted Kaczynski story, the Unabomber? I know about the Unabomber part. He was a part of the LSD Harvard studies. Oh, was he? He was a part of, yeah.

Oh, this was kind of the same deal. Yeah, they cooked that guy's brain. Yeah. Yeah, there's a documentary about it. It's really interesting. He was like a 16-year-old kid when he first went to Harvard because he was so fucking smart that he was entering into Harvard at 16 years of age.

And there was a psychologist that was working at Harvard at the time that he has been photographed with and was friends with. And he was a part of this program. This guy was notoriously ruthless with his application of LSD to young people. I mean, he just gave it a shot. Let's see what it does. It fries them forever. It does. But here's the thing.

And I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I think that he was on to something. And this is what he was on to what he was on to he was trying to kill people that were creating technology because he felt like technology is going to be the end of humans he's right he's right yeah totally right that's exactly what he was saying on your show yeah no no if you're high as fuck on acid they probably gave him a fucking coffee cup full of acid at 16. I mean, who knows how much they were. They didn't know what the doses were. They were just experimenting with people.

It was like Ken Kesey and Leary Rowell. Exactly. Part of that. Exactly. A few weeks ago when I read an article online, and at the bottom it said this article has been written by a program, not by a human. Oh, yeah.

I was like, what? Yeah. Articles. Paintings. Paintings done by AI. Yeah. It's like What? Yeah Articles Paintings Paintings done by AI Yeah It's like a Symphonies

No humans involved anymore It's happening It's coming We're in it now Well once they figure out a way To make a reality That's indiscernible From the reality

That we're currently experiencing Which is just It's around the corner Yeah That's only like A decade Or it happened a billion years ago Right

And we're just living in it That's the problem Well you only know What's in front of you You know what I mean Sure Well yeah And if you've done the

You know the You know What is it The Oculus stuff And all that Oculus Rift Yeah I mean

We have a HTC Vive in the back It's amazing They're incredible right Yeah it's amazing But your emotions Everything It's like you're there It's no different Yeah You know It's very similar There's one where you jump off a building Have you ever tried that one Do you? They're incredible, right? Yeah, it's amazing. But your emotions, everything, it's like you're there.

It's no different. Yeah. You know? It's very similar. There's one where you jump off a building. Have you ever tried that one? No. You go out on a diving board on a high rise and step off. Yeah.

Well, they're using it to treat PTSD and arachnophobia. It's panic-inducing. Yeah. It's like. Yeah. It's going to happen. Yeah. So, once they figure out a way to give you some experiences

that you can't tell whether or not those experiences are real or not then the aliens are feel they'll they'll land and it's the matrix man yeah they'll interact it is it really is the matrix i think that the artificial life and art and intelligence that is sentient that is also completely autonomous, that can run itself and decide for itself. It's only a matter of time. It's not a matter of – this is not like H.G. Wells' science fiction 200 years ago, like we're just guessing.

It's just choices. This is like you could see it coming. They already have machine learning. They already have certain artificial intelligence that guesses certain things about you. But Siri is still a dumb cunt. What's better, Bixby or Siri, though? I haven't tried Bixby. Bixby is Samsung's version of Siri. I haven't heard Bixby yet.

What's the voice like? I don't know. It's an asshole? I never use it. I have a Samsung phone. It's incredibly effective, yeah, but it has a terrible voice. They make you keep that button, too, and you map it of... They won't let you map it out to anything else. Is it the voice of Bill Bixby?

Because that'd be really cool. Oh, right, from the Hulk? Yeah. No. Or Corchette and Betty's father. Corchette and Betty's father, yeah. How you doing, son? People let me tell you about my best friend.

He's a cam, chonk, and pick a... I never knew those words. He's a warm-hearted person who loves you till the end. Yeah. To the end. I forgot about that. Yeah, and he had that hot Japanese lady that was his housekeeper, but he never hooked up with her.

I was like, come on. She's right there, bro. She seems real nice. So true. She seems lonely, too. Yeah. So true. You're not seeing what's obvious.

What's right in front of you. I didn't get it. I'm like, how are you not with her, man? She's so nice to your kid. Yeah. You guys are a big, sweet family. To be fair, the show didn't run very long. Maybe if it had gotten five or six more seasons. If it was on Netflix or something. Yeah. They would are a big, sweet family. To be fair, the show didn't run very long. Maybe if it had gotten like five or six more seasons.

Oh, if it was on Netflix or something. Yeah. They would have pushed that angle. I started watching The Magician a little bit. You seen that? What is that? The Bill Bespie show? Oh, God.

What is that? One of the worst of all time. It was one of the CBS movie mysteries. It was like with Columbo and- It was terrible. Really? On every level. Yeah, he was the magician

He used his magic to solve crimes He solved crimes No Is he magic? Yeah Oh that's hilarious How do you solve crimes with magic? You don't

You don't You just do magic Oh and you pretend you're solving crimes And then someone else solves the crime Yeah it's probably a producer's idea right? Hey I got an idea guys Here's the show A magician who solves crime

Sell it I got another meeting I gotta go And he leaves I gotta show it I did it, guys. Here's the show. A magician who solves crime. Sell it. I got another meeting. I got to go. And he leaves. I got to show it. Yeah. I'm doing a cruise.

They gave me a pitch once. It was a guy who was immortal. He was an Egyptian. This was a pitch to me. I was going to play this guy who is immortal. So far, it's good casting. Immortal, Egyptian, like a god. Yeah. Something happened back then, and a woman put a curse on me because I was banging her sister or something like that.

And the curse was that you would live forever. So here I was many thousands of years later. I had to pretend that I was a regular person, and I could never die, and that was the sitcom. That was the sitcom? Yes. That was a sitcom? It was a sitcom. It was the dumbest idea I've ever heard in my life.

Great as a one-hour drama. I was like, do you solve crimes? You know I knew it was going to be a problem when I met the guy and he was wearing bowling shoes, but he wasn't going bowling. Oh, that means he's an asshole. Those motherfuckers. I'm wacky. Look, I got bowling shoes on. You got a lot of character. My shoes are interesting. Wait a second, I used to do that.

Well, do you remember when there was the writer teams But it was always The one guy Who was the typer And the other guy Was really funny Yeah

You know There was a lot of those teams And those teams Would branch off And one of those guys Would get a lot of money And then you know The guy who just typed

Oh we got the wrong guy Yeah Fuck We got the typer We paid the fucking typer We paid the typer Yeah There was a lot of that

With the teams The teams always seemed to be like one really talented person Who was kind of maybe introspective and weird And he eventually figured out Oh I can just hire a typist And he got rid of that guy But then that guy got a big development deal Do you remember development deals?

Oh my god I had so many of them I had one one year Where they gave me a shit ton of money and we never did anything. I got free money. Free money. I had about four right after news radio. Did you? Yeah. And with smaller and smaller networks each time.

Yeah, right. You get down to the CW, you know you got an issue. I might have to actually write something now. Cooking channel. you know you got an issue i might have to actually write something now cooking channel so what is this obsessing what what is your your more recent obsessing about ufos what's the origin of this it's well part of it is just the fact that that the evidence just the evidence itself says you have to take this seriously and yet no one does uh or very very few people do i mean even like uh and yet no one does or very very few people do

even like again that F-16 footage that even Neil deGrasse Tyson who is a great skeptic said on one of the late night talks well if you really want to look at the possibility of some non-human intelligence that F-16 stuff

is pretty compelling what is the F-16 stuff that's the stuff that to the stars Academy put out. It was the CIA. Oh, yeah, Tom DeLonge. Yeah. He's crazy.

I never met him. I saw him on the podcast. Is he? Oh, yeah. Very nice guy. What do you see in the footage? He's a very nice guy and a brilliant musician. Yeah.

And he's a loon. Yeah, I've never met him. He's a fucking full-on believer. I mean, he left Blink-182 to go do this To The Stars Academy shit. He's the biggest goddamn rock band on the planet. Okay, here's something interesting about this. And this was pointed out by, okay, a video film by Fighter Jet shows an unknown object near San Diego.

Video from 2004 was released by the U.S. Department of Defense. Wow, the way it moves. There's something about the way it moves is really weird, huh? Could it be a jet, though? Jets can move that way. One of the pilots told the media the object was not from this world. Yeah. And here's the thing. It's like, the skeptics, in order to dismiss it, they have to

go, well, they have to make arguments like that jet fighters are not better observers than anyone else pull up mick ward's take on that mick ward the guy who he runs deep um what is it metabunk metabunk he runs a debunking site and he's another one of those guys that is all in with the the conventional explanation like he goes way out of his way to not look at anything that could be which is the opposite of occam's razor yes yes occam's razor says you know that if you have to go to great lengths to dismiss something right that's not following occam's razor right right

occam's razor says if the jet pilot says he saw this he saw it i think he had an interesting take on it though one of the things was there's a time during the video where the pilot shifted from 1x to 2x which makes the image uh move more because you have magnification like have you ever used magnifying glasses or binos like if you use uh 15x binos it's very difficult to hold on the subject yeah but six six you can kind of look at things in the distance. Yeah, but that's if you don't have about $3 million worth of stabilization equipment on your jet locked onto this object. Right. Which is why that stays in lock.

He had an explanation, though, that was kind of interesting. And when it breaks free of the lock, that's unbelievable. Does it just take off or something like that? At one point, the object just breaks free of the lock. And that's almost impossible. I have a question. It's impossible for anything that man has built to do. With the quality of cameras today, why is this footage so shitty? This is infrared footage.

You need this when you're shooting at things in the sky. You can't rely on visualizations. It's a blurry blob. Well, you're looking at heat're shooting at things in the sky. You can't rely on visualizations. It's a blurry blob. Well, you're looking at heat. You're looking at heat signals. Because visually, so far, it would be essentially invisible. Escaping the rabbit hole, how to debunk conspiracy theories using fact, logic, and respect. So what is he saying?

What is he saying? The program, da-da-da-da-da. Make that a little larger for my stupid eyes. It said, for all you make sure you are talking about the right video. There's two that are confused. Here we're talking about the gimbal video, which is not from the Nimitz incident, which is discussed here. So scroll down a little bit. The gimbal video is an, okay, yeah, that's the one we're looking at.

It's an unknown date and location from unknown pilots. Nope. The TikTok one from San Diego. Those are known pilots. Yeah. That san diego pilots yeah that's 2004 okay that's david fervor the media's discussed these videos tom belongs to the stars the link contains the frames what's he saying keep going keep going keep going uh the black shaper on the object some kind of infrared flare glare we know the shape of a very bright infrared source, like the engine of a plane can be much bigger than the object itself.

It's explained here. Okay, so there's like a flare. That doesn't explain the movement. No, it doesn't explain the movement. It doesn't explain, again, Occam's razor is, okay, so this guy debunking it. This guy's saying it's a jet. Look at it. It looks nothing like it.

Well, even if it is a jet a jet's not capable of breaking free from the lock right yeah lock onto and if you look at that you can see the jet his own example debunks his debunking right need not be moving yeah the video need not be moving and it's also the assumption that that this guy doing probably a few hours research has come up with something that is more credible than a trained fighter pilot who is there and visually seeing it. What do you think it is? And tracking it. If you had to guess.

I don't know. Let's get crazy. Oh, I think it is an intelligent craft. It is a craft being piloted intelligently. Why aren't they talking to us? We're fucking apes. Why would you? They just don't talk to us? We're fucking apes. I wouldn't talk to us. We're assholes.

When you look at it... I forgot. You're right. Leaving fucking plastic straws everywhere. Oh, we cured it. No more plastic straws. When you were a kid looking at an ant colony, you didn't go, listen to me, ants. Yes. You just looked at them. No, I agree. And they say, why don't they go to the White House

And I said well why would Do you When you look at an ant call And you go I must speak to the queen Right You know Yes

No I've always said that You just look at ants Yeah that's the most ridiculous thing About like The old movies Like the old movies That would land on the White House lawn

Right You know like Yeah Yeah Like What is Dave Yerstad still That's it yeah baratu nictu whatever that thing was yeah yeah that's the uh day the earth just still was like who's that 1940 or something 50s 50s 55 fucking great great movie i watched it i watched it really recently because it's a

parable i love parables a little bit right stories. Because it's a Christ parable. I love Christ parables. A little bit, right? Christ stories are great. He was a Christ parable. Well, his name was John Carpenter. Oh, that's right. JC. That's right. Christ was a carpenter.

Don't they shoot that object out of his hand the first second he pulls it out? Remember he has that thing that's going to cure cancer? Yeah, they shoot him. They shoot him. And they just shoot it out of his hand immediately. And then at the end of the movie, he is killed and resurrected. That's right. Right.

Yeah. They shoot him and he comes back to life. He's taken by the robot. Yeah. The robot. Yeah. Love that robot. What a goofy robot.

Yeah. Very tall. Yeah. Yeah. And he looked like you would want a robot to look in 1950. Yes. Yeah. Smooth.

All metal and shit. Smooth. Yeah. Chrome. Yeah. Those were the days. We thought All metal and shit. Smooth. Yeah. Chrome. Yeah, those were the days. We thought that they would communicate. Wasn't there a whole rash of them that were seen over Washington, D.C.?

Yeah, there was dozens. Yeah. Dozens of UFOs tracked and admitted by the government that they were tracking them and watching them. But they essentially, and then at the end their explanation was, nothing particularly important. You know, we have a mutual friend who claims, I won't say her name, but she claims she was. No, and I feel bad because I wrote her off as a lunatic when I first heard it. Yeah, well, she was claimed to be abducted. Yeah.

And then I was doing a show with her years ago and she's telling us the story. We're all like, uh-huh, that's pretty funny. And she says, and then they took a scoop out of my back. And I'm like, a scoop? They took a scoop out of your back? And she showed on her back shoulder, there was a hexagonal diamond-shaped scoop out of her back. A divot. It was hexagonal? Yeah, that was... Clearly? Clearly. And no scar tissue. Maybe she's a crazy bitch.

No scar tissue, man. I know how to make this story stick. Yeah. Give myself a little punch. But I... A whole punch back there. I worked at a bookstore at the time, years ago, and I went into the alien section. It was the world's biggest bookstore in Toronto, was the name of it.

And of course, I went to the alien section and just looked all this crap up immediately, and there are other people with the scoop. There's a lot of other people with you know abduction stories and some of them have like little pieces of something in their body i remember you talking to me about this many many years ago i was like oh dave's interested it was like implants you were talking about people that have alien implants in their body yeah and that's the thing is i to me it just, I guess the thing that I'm kind of obsessed with now is just the, because we're comedians. Yes.

And the power of ridicule to silence debate is unbelievably potent. Sure. And we're part of that. We're part of the machinery that was used very, very consciously by the government to silence any inquiry. It was like feeding the story the right way to late night talk show hosts. Made it so that nobody would talk about it. So do you think that the government consciously fed those ideas to Johnny Carson and those folks? Yeah. Really?

I think there's documentation to make the ufo phenomenon ridiculous do you think they did that to avoid mass hysteria like if you're you're the government and you know there's nothing out there but you see these people freaking out you go okay look we've looked we've used all of our military might all of our scientific power and we we don't see shit i'm not buying this but these people are freaking out this has the real potential to get out of hand and go sideways on us let's just start making fun of this yeah i don't know because uh i think it's more likely that there's something there that they feel powerless to control do you think kennedy was taken down into the uh basement of whatever and shown the alien sitting there this is what i say about aliens in regards to Trump.

If there's anybody that would fucking tell us it's Trump. He tweeted. Tweeted immediately. He would tweet it. He would tweet it in all caps. UFOs are real, but CNN is fake. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's still. The failing New York Times fails to findfos because they're real right now in that area 51 if the government does have the evidence they are never going to show it to trump right that's the problem like what the fuck's the point being president if you can't find out about ufos yeah if i knew that to become president meant you get all the access to ufos i might go yeah okay let's have our try for that the presidents who have tried haven't gotten there no no one gets it like jimmy carter jimmy carter you know said he was he's he

had a ufo experience yeah he saw something right yeah he saw he said he saw something but see that was back in the 70s where everybody was seeing shit they were all talking about things it was part of the zeitgeist was people were legit like after close encounters of the third kind especially people were legitimately thinking that aliens were going to come yeah he proposed such a possible scenario that movie was so good yeah it wasn't anything you expected it was going to be but like here i was going to say here like another example like the randall shim like like that explanation of the f-16s locked you know footage uhallstrom Forest, where they claimed that these American soldiers in the woods out in England mistook a lighthouse light for a spacecraft. That they were within 20 feet of a craft that they saw and took notes on, did drawings of. Yeah, they walked not even like right up against it.

And they wrote down notes, saw like different sort of hieroglyphs on the ship itself, described the feel of it, this electrostatic feel of being around it. And the official explanation was they mistook a lighthouse several miles away for this spacecraft. So Occam's Razor, again, says that's hard to believe that these trained observers, and that's the other thing, they always try to dismiss the idea that trained observers are better observers. But they are better observers. Sure. In the age of today where everyone has a high-definition camera in their pocket.

But have you taken a photograph of the moon on your phone? It doesn't look like the moon. That's true. There's no details. It comes out as a blur. The lenses are too wide. But Occam's Razor says, all right, they saw something. all right, they saw something.

But they, you know, because what is the likelihood that trained observers who have been on this base for years on this night would mistake a lighthouse that they've seen every night for the entire time they've been on this base

for a UFO? I mean, what is the likelihood that that explanation is correct? I'm not aware of that story. Oh, Rendlesham Forest? Yeah. How do you say it? Bentwoods?

Rendlesham? Rendlesham? R-E-N-D-l-e-s-h-a-m rendlesham forest yeah it was bent woods it was two nights like a character actor on colombo where you have where there was uf and it was and it's a nuclear installation and rendlesham forest the nuclear installations are always ripe with UFO stories. Yeah. Yeah. What year was this? This was in the 80s. 1980. Yeah. Interesting.

And it's, you know, and it said, obviously, the obvious explanation is, well, not the explanation, but the only thing you can accept is that these observers saw something. Right. And described it accurately. Is it something that had crashed? If you want to say that, no, it came down, was landed in the forest, and took off. What do you think of the Roswell case? The night before that Roswell? I think it's probably true.

Really? You're all in. Yeah. Wow, Dave, I never knew that about you. But I mean, because... It's interesting. Again, because the cover stories for it are so much less believable than an alien. Yeah, I used to have a joke about it.

Yeah. That they put on the paper that they have recovered a crashed UFO and alien bodies. And the next day they said, oh, we made a mistake. It was just a balloon. Well, what about the bodies?

Yeah. What about the aliens? It's a balloon. Yeah. Those are Mexicans. Yeah. They're Mexicans. They were drinking.

Apparently they thought the balloon was a piñata. Yeah. They got a little crazy. Yeah. I'm believing you right now. But we just invented some new stuff

out of nowhere And then 30 years later They go Oh they were High altitude dummies That we were dropping That's right To test

How they would fall And now we have Lasers and invisibility cloaks Well they showed up Again the next day With a bunch of Weather balloon scraps And they're like

Look this is it Oh the guy holding it up But what they don't tell you Is that they flew The wreckage out To right patterson air force in two separate planes and that truman met them there yeah yeah yeah so i mean again the more rational two separate planes yeah because they were worried that one would crash the the weather the weather balloon thing is not as rational as something weird happened listen i want it to be an alien so bad that I question myself. So that's my problem with all that stuff.

But again, I won't, like, I'll be skeptical about stuff that just seems crazy. Or people that, you know, sort of ascribe some sort of metaphysical explanation for all this. My thing is just, well, if the preponderance of the evidence says something happened but doesn't tell you what happened then you still have to believe something happened not knowing what happened isn't evidence that it didn't happen and yet you're still a flat earther yeah

have you looked outside it seems flat have you studied hashtag space is fake no people dumber than Have you studied hashtag space is fake? No What's that? People dumber than Space is fake

There's people that are so dumb They think the earth is flat And there's people that are so dumb They make fun of the people that are dumber than them Yeah Yeah, they think that space is fake Space is fake There's no space

No space Yes, and it's basically What is it then? Well, that's the holographic theory Yeah No, space no space yes and it's basically what is it then well that's the holographic theory yeah no but you google it it's it's really religious it's uh it's all about the firmament and the bible oh that makes sense they're really it's very strange the stars are hung in the sky over earth which you would call like yes and youtube people here it is all right and you know what i have to pee again because I'm 56. Wow, that's incredible.

Human Explorer Ocean. People have to have the title? I understand. I have to pee sometimes. Yeah, hashtag space is fake. Human Doug Earth. Yeah. Human Explorer Ocean.

Suddenly they can discover a thousand miles out of space. It's really well written, though. Yeah, super, super compelling. Suddenly they can discover a thousand mile it's really well written though yeah super super suddenly they can discover a thousand miles i wonder how many of those i was talking to you about renee di resta who's the woman who studies all these russian troll farms so they mock people i wonder how much of that is them that the russians like they have a side flat earth uh space is fake department where they just mock because it's always in english i don't think there's a lot of Flat earth Russian proponents

God if I was One of those Russian guys I would want that to be my department Yeah just They call people Globetards What? Or globe heads

Yeah if you believe If you believe it's round Yeah yeah yeah Globetards I've saved some of these memes Because they're so wonderful They're just like This is rich.

I had the worst Uber ride with a guy. No. Who was... A flat earther? Yeah, he was... And he was a computer programmer. What? Yeah.

A computer programmer slash flat earther? Yeah. That's why he's driving an Uber and not working at NASA. He smiled the whole time while he drove me crazy. He drove me. He knew what he was doing, I think. He was doing it on purpose? Yeah, I think so.

So how did he start off? So I bet you're one of those guys who believes the earth's round, huh? Well, I talked about the beautiful view from the plane. He picked me up at the airport. Yeah. And, you know, it's so beautiful. There's a sunset over the curvature of the earth. That's how it started.

And he goes, well, not really the curvature of the earth. That's how it started. And he would not stop. Oh, my God. To the point where I was, I think, I think I tore my clothes off. He made me so insane. There's so many of them now. And, you know,'ve uncovered the origins of it

what we think the origins of it it was a troll from 4chan 4chan was fucking around they started promoting this idea that the earth is actually that's where it started that a lot of things start from that that's where the free bleeding movement started from i don't know what that is women are expressing their power by not controlling their menstrual cycle with pads or tampons, just bleeding into their pants to show their power. Yeah, they did it on 4chan as a joke, and the women started doing it in real life. Doing it for real. Yeah, they thought it was like, this is a way to like, these people are disgusted by

menstrual blood. Well, fuck them. Here's some for you. Yeah, shit on the patriarchy by showing your pussy blood. Fuck. It's so crazy. That's crazy crazy it makes me want to start one oh 4chan is the best they just they're so good at that they're so good at starting these goofy ass fucking little movements and then getting people behind it that's like a it's like a game yeah yeah it's a game well it's you know what it is it's probably a bunch of really smart people right um some of

them not so smart but some of them really smart That are stuck at their desks and they're bored as shit With some computer job somewhere What can I think of In the meantime they just decide to fuck with people We're talking about flat earthers And free bleeding The free bleeding movement

Which was also started by 4chan Yeah 4chan started this movement Where women would express their power By not controlling their menstrual cycle, by just letting the blood leak out into their pants. And they did it as a joke. Yeah. That 4chan did. And women started actually doing it.

It caught on. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of these things, it's so hard to mock. It's so hard to figure out what is mockery and what's real. Exactly. What is parody and what's reality. Everything's blurred now.

What's the onion? The onion is, you know, do you know the James Lindsay, Peter Boghossian, what's the other woman's name? The one that we didn't meet? The grievance studies hoaxes? Do you know? No. Oh. Peter Boghossian is a professor at the University of Portland.

And I think that's the school he's in Portland and he decided to with these other academics publish these fake papers on like rape in dog parks and like like cis normative

like different to see what would happen no people love them um ridiculous things like fat bodybuilding like bodybuilding contest a contest for fat people like to talk about the important the importance of these things like things that you would read and you would think would be obviously a parody someone's fucking around they submit these these academic journals not only get published but but they get praised for their scholarship. And then they came out and said, hey, we were fucking with you guys.

This is all a joke. Too late. It's out there. And you guys love these papers, you morons. And this is part of the problem with the humanities today is that things are so sideways in terms of like, it's so difficult to find out what's parody and what's reality.

Yeah. It's insane. It's an insane time. It is as insane as it gets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's... It's very unsettling.

It's very unsettling. To not know if someone's having me on or not. Exactly. Yeah. And well, there's very... All the structures that used that for good or for bad would filter things down are gone. Exactly. that used to hang around. I think the cure is mind reading. And I think we're going to accept that cure. Because Elon is working on some sort of neural link thing. It's the only way we'll know if someone's telling the truth.

We're going to have it. I think we're going to accept it, and we're going to give in. And we're going to be able to... I'll take it another step further. I think they're going to create a universal language. I've been thinking about this a lot. I think there's going to be a universal language that probably is uh augmented reality some augmented reality language of shapes

or something symbolism symbols yeah something that we agree to and we're we're probably not going to accept it because we're old we're like fuck this next generation our kids maybe even our kids kids our kids kids are going to be the first people to adopt it and then it's going to be universal worldwide and with augmented reality and some sort of ability to interact with each other yeah through i kind of bandwidth i remember the first time i heard about cochlear implants that's the first thing that popped in my head is this is the start yeah this is the first interface you're now officially a you're a cyborg if you have a cochlear implant you are a cyborg people with apple watches on yeah you know you're wearing an apple watch like what do you what is that you have a computer that's constantly strapped to you all the time measuring you

monitoring your heart rate yeah you know and then we've been sitting here and uh when we don't know something accessing the entire store of human knowledge jamie's our cyborg yeah yeah we're accessing all of human knowledge in an instant it's true anytime we want that was elon's other thing that he said on the podcast you're already a cyborg you have a phone it just it's not in your body but it's something you're holding on to yeah yeah it's voluntary cyborg did you guys read third wave years ago was that a book you ever got no? No. That was the prediction of all this. Really? Yeah, and it's in the early 80s. And it was prediction and the one thing Third Way predicted was that the next generation, the first line in it I remember was it's all about information. Yeah. It's all gonna be about sharing

information. Someone's gonna figure out a way to share information. Well that's when I saw the cochlear implant. I thought, well, if you're – all right, so your brain is interpreting an electronic signal as information directly. It's bypassing the ear entirely. Right. And it's just a neuronal connection. And I thought, well, that eventually is how we will access the internet. We'll access the internet as though it is our own thoughts. It'll be as easily as i

remember your name i'll remember any other fact that is on record will be the matrix and we'll all be part of the same yeah except we won't be sitting in pods somewhere well i think you know speak for yourself it initially will be like a peripheral thing you'd be able to tap into it or not as you as you wish but i think as time goes on it's going to be more and more integrated you like distinguish it from your own mind. Like you used to have to go to a computer that was hardwired into the wall. Right. And you'd have to dial up to get online.

Yeah. Now everything's instantaneous. It's in your phone. And this is, I remember when we were on news radio, I first got an Apple computer and got online and I was fucking fascinated. I couldn't believe. We did two CompuServe. Yeah.

That's how we got on. And to bring it all around, the first thing I did was download UFO reports. Downloading UFO, like a dork, like reading all these things. Well, I remember the first. We did the first chat with somebody, I remember, in 1993. Yeah. Wow. And it was because.

Yeah, 95. An office computer. First time I had a, NewsRadio was the first time I had an email account. Yeah. I remember that and getting online. I know, I mean, yeah, first, I think I went to the Louvre's site. Sure, to see what was on there. And, you know, watched, you know, Hieronymus Bosch paintings downloaded in about 30 minutes.

Yeah, right. And then that was – I downloaded the new versions of those. It's like I'm at the Louvre. Well, I remember you had a program on your laptop. This was like 96. You had a program on your laptop that kept crashing. But when it worked, it was amazing because it would give you the news.

Yes, as a screensaver. Yes. As a screensaver, the news would just come up. Yes. Constantly, the constant flow of news. You've always been very cutting edge with technology. And I wish that still existed. It doesn't exist anymore.

I don't even think it was Wi-Fi. I think you had to plug in. I had an ISDN line in my house. Oh, wow. I remember. Which gave me 128 kilobits per second download speed. You were light years ahead of everybody I knew with all your tech. Yeah, I had a T1 line installed in my house.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember it like. I was like, I lived in the woods. It was only way i could get like really high speed internet access they had to carve a fucking hole in the ground and give me a business pipe amazing now 5g is around the corner man 5g is gonna change everything 5g is fast they say it's gonna be hundreds of times faster than 4g again yeah it's yeah it's like it's comparable to a to a fiber optic link yeah on your phone

I think CDs, those are gone now forever I save them just in case Just in case Well the real question is Where are we storing all this stuff If we're only storing it in ones and zeros Like we were talking about the demise of civilization They just blow that up, right?

But that's what probably I mean every society probably I don't think they reached that 10,000 years ago, but I think every society probably reaches some point where everything is just ones and zeros on a database somewhere. But it's a physical place, right? Where this stuff exists. Well, some things. Like all our Gmail accounts exist somewhere, right? There's huge buildings with internet exchanges.

Sure. But what if someone just drops a, you know that's the absolutely the case but also if something happens and the grid goes down and we i mean if we're hit right if uh manhattan yeah fry everything yeah sure of what what dr robert shock was talking about if there's a fucking lightning storm that really torches buildings and starts everything on fire good luck accessing all that shit not only that if if human beings just skip a generation like we have a generation of turmoil and chaos and and then we slowly rebuild civilization how many of those people are going to understand computer code how many of these people are going to understand linux

how many of these people that are coming up without any education from a formal university no internet connection whatsoever for decades, perhaps hundreds of years. It's like the resetting of civilization you talked about earlier. Exactly. We start all over again. And that's when the aliens come because they know we can't do anything but draw shit on clay tablets. Now's the time. Yeah.

They wait until we can't take pictures anymore and then they come back and re-engineer. Yeah. Right now they're just relying on the fact that nobody can frame a shot well. Yeah, right now they're just relying on the fact that nobody can frame a shot well. The weirder thing about the alien theory was that they came down and genetically manipulated lower hominids. Yeah, to create the human species. That's the weirder one. Or that they are a later evolved version of us coming back to check on us.

Right, right right right yeah and that's the other thing too is about that archetypal image of the uh alien with the big head with the big black eyes is that if you go you go down from australia pithicus to home modern homo sapien if you make this connect you see this hunched over very hairy almost chimp chimp-like humanoid, and then standing up but losing all of its hair, and the head is much larger, doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years. Where's that going? Is that going to keep going? Well, if it keeps going, this is what you're going to get. You're going to get a feeble

thing with a giant head, and that's what these aliens are. They're always feeble with giant heads. That's true. They have terrible athletic if they left they've been living off earth for a long time yeah then yeah your body's you know they're very out of shape well they also have no penises or vaginas so the the future they realize that saves a lot of time yes that gives you time to get stuff done i'm already there and it's more of a meritocracy you know you're not banging people based on their tits and ass yeah you don't have that anymore there's no more of a meritocracy. You're not banging people based on their tits and ass.

You don't have that anymore. There's no more of that. No more wasted time. Yeah, just sharing your thoughts transparently through the air. No orbs. You don't need an orb like in the Woody Allen movie. You don't even need to pick things up anymore. Everything's telekinetic.

Using that giant head to move shit around. Never have to leave your house. Your pod. There's a guy that worked supposedly. I don't know if he really worked at area 51 but the the the whole story was yeah yeah it's a good it's a good documentary is it yeah yeah it's just one of those again where you where you it's just dealing with him as an individual to go okay this guy isn't where it's just dealing with him as an individual. You go, okay, this guy isn't, you know, he isn't the firebrand UFO believer that some people want him to be.

And he's not the lunatic that other people want him to be. But he didn't tell the truth about his education, right? Isn't that the case? Isn't there some finagling about? Yeah, well, definitely, like, the records of his education, if he was telling the truth, those records aren't around anymore. Right. Yeah. So if he was telling the truth those records aren't around anymore right yeah so if he was telling the truth somebody expunged and yeah and he's and he's basically his argument is well if i didn't have this education why was i hired to do this job right you know i mean i was hired to do this research by the government and and they have the records of me

doing the research so why did they let me do this research for all these years if I didn't have the education to do it? But wouldn't there be someone that went to school with him? Like, don't you have friends from high school, right? Well, not many. Well, I do. I have some friends that can go, yeah, I was in fucking fifth grade English with you, bro. Yeah. I got a couple.

Wasn't there a guy who went to college with Bob Lazar? I could say, yeah, he's in Physics 101 with Bob. I'm sure he's out there. Yeah. I think there are people. Yeah? yeah yeah that remember him okay so you you enjoyed the documentary do you remember what the name of it is uh what oh god what is it called bob lazar the guy who uh it's a new it's yeah somebody emailed me about that i'll get in the guy i made it on that's a real problem like ufo even this one is a fairly Rational documentary But it's But they're so bad

Even this one It's just got Just bad filmmaking Right You know Bob Lazar Area 51 And Flying Saucers

That's the title 4.1 That's it Jeremy Corbill Yeah I think he's the gentleman Yeah And it's good

Except it all But it has like Mickey Rourke doing weird poetic voiceovers at some points. I love it. As the wrestler? Or as Barfly? Is he doing it as Bukowski? That would be fine. He's got 20% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Come over here with your fucking UFO. But, I mean, you've seen the I i know what i saw and out of the blue those documentaries no you haven't seen because those are great are they out of the blue is a great serious documentary about the ufo phenomena and and i know what i saw is one sort of tracing the uh the participants in the uh the disclosure hearings at the press club in Washington. God, you're going to bring me back into this shit. Yeah. I love them, man.

I really wish they were real. But I'm telling you, my experience talking to these people when I did that sci-fi show, I was like, oh, this is all nonsense. Yeah. But again, maybe those people were nonsense. But the trained military, the air traffic controllers, the pilots, government officials, like, what's his name, Feef, the governor of Arizona is one of the guys in I Know What I Saw in Out of the Blue.

Oh, yeah. He was the guy that was told to mock it. Yeah, he brought somebody out with it. So they brought in a guy dressed like an alien. And in these documents, he talks about how much he deeply regrets doing that. And this is from Out of the Blue? Yeah. Really?

Interesting. Deeply regret. Maybe now he's not a governor anymore. He's trying to get a new angle on his career. But he basically said, you know what? Tens of thousands of people saw these craft. Right. And we lied.

We came out and we lied. So did he say who directed him to lie? He didn't say he was really directed to. He said he felt like people were in a state of panic, and he thought he could relieve some of the fear by making a joke of it. And he said he really regretted it. He really just wanted to relax people because he didn't know what else to do. He said, I saw it. Everyone else saw it.

And I didn't know how to calm people down. So I made this joke. And he said he regrets it you know to this day there's another thing about these ufo experiences and alien experiences where people really dive into them there seems to be the ac the atheist version of religion to a lot of these folks yeah which again Yeah. Which, again, that I dismiss. Do you? Yeah. I don't think that's likely to be the case, that they're here to save us or they're not concerned with our redemption. No, I don't mean that. I don't mean that.

I mean the people that are believers that are really into it. It seems to be that instead of focusing on a deity, they're focusing on an advanced civilization. Yeah, like transferring it to the space daddy. Yeah, it's something will save us. Something will save us. Yeah, that when we decide to point those nuclear weapons

at each other and, you know, it's going to come down... They'll come down at the last minute. Talk to Russia and Trump and go, hey. Make everything good.

Let's not. Right. Yeah. But where were they during Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Yeah. Watching. Well, everybody deserves a lunch break.

Yeah. But it's that. I think whatever is going on, it's not an intervention. Well, you know, right afterwards was when a giant swarm of UFO sightings happened. Yeah. Right after the nuclear bombs were dropped. Yeah. That's when there's a big uptick in UFO sightings.

Yeah. And a lot of the, yeahfo sightings yeah and a lot of the yeah and as you said a lot of the incidents are at nuclear uh missile sites i think they're going for fuel or something like that well they've they've uh i mean there's the one in arizona somewhere they they were ufo showed up and shut down the entire launch system that all the missiles went offline at the same time. And it's documented and it's in the records of the time. But all of the missiles went offline.

You don't seem like you're buying this. I'm literally right in the middle. That's where I live on this thing. I really don't know. I'm not quite in the middle. I desperately want it to be real. But you feel it's not. I'm not quite in the middle. I'm in the, I desperately want it to be real. Yeah.

But you feel it's not. I'm still, I'm calling bullshit. Yeah. I guess I'm edging. But my desire, my desire is towards reality. I want it to be real.

When John Landis came out as Bigfoot, that bothered me. Did he really? Yeah. He came out as a Bigfoot believer? No, he came out as the guy in the suit. Oh.

Oh, well, yeah. Remember that? No, that's just as the guy in the suit. Oh. Oh, well, yeah. Remember that? No, that's just a lie. Why did he do that? It was about five or six years ago. From Harry and the Hendersons?

That suit? No. This is him and his college friends. They're the Bigfoot in the famous video. No. That's Bob. No, that's Bob Hieronymus. Put in John Landis.

No, no, no. There's a video of Bob. Bob Hieronymus was friends with see that story that Bigfoot story is a real problem because that's the Patterson film

Patterson was a con man who went to jail for writing a bad check that paid for the very camera he used to film Bigfoot he went out

looking to film Bigfoot they had a fucking suit I mean he was trying to get a suit they got a guy Bob Hieronymus Who's a big tall guy Who walks like Bigfoot

So that's the Bigfoot movie There's a video Yes The Patterson footage There's a video That superimposes Bob Hieronymus Walking on one side

And Bigfoot on the other side They walk the same They fucking It's the guy It's him And by the way Bigfoot looks like a guy In a Bigfoot suit There's not a fucking animal way, Bigfoot looks like a guy in a Bigfoot suit.

There's not a fucking animal on the planet that looks like a person in an animal suit. You never look at a swan and go, hey, that looks like a person in a swan suit. No. Things that, like, if you see a gorilla, it does not look like a person in a gorilla suit. Right, no. The hips are in a different way. Everything's different. The anatomy is different.

That's the same with this fucking stupid footage. It's so dumb that the people that buy into that and believe it, it's like, come on, just look at it. That's what I'm saying. It was always... See if you can find that footage. Bob Hieronymus right next to... Bob Hieronymus as Bigfoot.

I mean, there's a video on YouTube where they show this stabilized image of this animal moving across the, and by the way, I've been to that area where they saw that thing. It's really interesting. Was it on your show yet, but there's still like people, like anthropologists who will still say that there's clear evidence that the bone structure of this Bigfoot creature doesn't match human. There's a single thing out there.

How can it survive? I mean, is there more than one Bigfoot? Well, it's not a single thing. There's three of them. There has to be a community. human. There's a single thing out there. How can it survive? I mean, is there more than one Bigfoot? Well, it's not a single thing. There has to be a community. Yeah, there has to be a community. The compelling, interesting aspect of Bigfoot is that there was an animal called Gigantopithecus that existed as recently as 100,000 years ago,

and they found teeth in the 1920s in an apothecary shop in China that were an unknown hominid and then they were like where'd you get these and then they found the area where they found them and they started discovering more and they found some jawbone fragments and some various bones see this look at this look at that guy oh my god i mean get the fuck out of here that's the guy that's amazing that's him and he admits he yes oh my god it's the same he admits it he talked to me it's fucking him he talked about it he said

he told the story they said all right ready go start walking exactly so put that guy in a big old stupid fucking furry suit and you have bigfoot that's great great. It's 100% him. So does that mean there's not one out there? No. So Gigantopithecus was a real animal that they think was a bipedal hominid that lived somewhere around 100,000 years ago for sure, but most likely lived alongside human beings for eons, right? And this thing was an 8 to 10 foot tall. right and this thing was an eight to ten foot tall and nor see see if you get an image of um the photo of a recreation of a gigantopithecus next to a modern human being it's really interesting it was huge a huge bipedal fossil record of it it's a real thing yeah yeah i mean it makes sense

like if a gorilla what is gorillas like 500 pounds. I mean, a fucking gorilla's... Gorillas were considered mythical creatures until like 1890s? Scroll up, Jamie. There's a better image right above you. Or was it even the 1900s that gorillas were first officially discovered? There's a better one where it shows a man

with the fake Bigfoot wrapped around his... Keep scrolling. There's... Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, there it is. That's There's a That's a good one That's the guy So that's what that thing looked like So if you saw that in the woods you'd be like Holy fucking shit Eight foot tall gigantic

Hairy ape creature I wouldn't touch it like that guy's touching it Well he's a friend That's his buddy It's like when you see dudes from russia with bears but so that's a real animal so that's probably why there's so many mythological stories about this thing and the native americans have more than a hundred different names for these creatures along various tribes they find that they thought was extinct for around a hundred thousand years yeah yeah Yeah. Armored plated fish.

Right. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of animals. I mean, that's cryptozoology in a nutshell. There's a lot of animals that we think are extinct that probably aren't. But that one is a very unlikely one. Because it's, you know, it needed enormous supply of food. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's a huge, huge animal. Yeah. But the thing about it is that the sightings occur all in the Pacific Northwest, which if you follow the Bering landmass, that's where they would have come across. If they came across with humans, they would have come across into Alaska, where there's a lot of sightings, and down into the Pacific Northwest, where there's a lot of sightings. Yeah.

But there's sightings all over the country now. Yeah. But is there any fossil record outside of Africa? Of Gigantopithecus? No. No, there's not. No, there's notings all over the country now But is there any fossil record outside of Africa? Of gigantopithecus? No, there's not It's Asia actually Asia is where they find them It's not even Africa

Ironically Asians are tiny Tiny people It's not a person It's compelling in the sense that There was a bunch of different kinds of hominids that existed. Yeah. And we only now know that we interbred with Neanderthal. Yeah, yeah.

That most of us have Neanderthal DNA in us. Yeah. Most white folks, which is interesting, right? Because it was the opposite. If it was black people had it, it would be a really controversial subject you know but instead it's dumb white people like me i have 57 percent more neanderthal dna than the average person you know what i'm not gonna argue that and either i was like i knew it i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure my neanderthal count is low you'd be surprised the club you carry around it's uh I got rid of that bro It's a European thing

A lot of Europeans You know In a breadwinner And the Anatolys by the way Had a way longer run than we have They Well they colonized Europe Yeah

They were around for 500,000 years unchanged I mean Homo sapiens have only been around No I think like 300,000 years And our ego sort of says Oh we usurped And we We drove them into extinction Yeah And in usurped and we drove them into extinction.

Yeah. And in fact, no, we just mated them into extinction. Fucked them to death. Just dissolved it. Yeah. Just diluted it until it was gone. Yeah. We ruined their purity.

Right. We probably drugged them and neutered them. Yeah. Probably. Once we figured out how to do that. Oh, which was early. You know about that hobbit person thing That they found On the island of Flores Yeah

That's another one That they didn't know Until No what's that It's Homo Floresiensis I think is the name of it It's a tiny little

Person like thing It was like Three feet tall Yeah And had large feet Why are you guys Looking at me Not bro

No just We all have our own Genetic history That was a real thing that existed as recently as yeah that image that's what it looked like and that that existed yeah homo florenciensis that's it um and they existed as recently as 14 000 years ago they found yeah yeah they coexisted they coexisted with modern humans yeah and they think modern humans might have wiped them out because they were probably they think there's some

cannibal not cannibalism but they preyed upon our children and stuff like that they ate us they ate us yeah they were eating us well there was one of the one of the things that i read the speculation was that they might have uh there might have been an issue with them invading and trying to see. You know, chimps have stolen babies and eaten them. Yeah. It's a really common thing, actually. Babies are delicious. Well, that's why people like lamb, unfortunately.

Enveal. Yeah, well, exactly. Well, there was a company that produced a vegan version of human flesh. What? To try and sell to people in Papua New Guinea. That's disgusting. Where do I get this? Who are no longer allowed to eat human flesh.

That's hilarious. That's awful. I read this thing about people in New Guinea that were cannibals, and they were talking to them after World War II, and they were trying to figure out how the Europeans, once they found out how many people were killed during world war ii they were trying to figure out how the europeans managed to eat that much meat yeah and then they told them no they don't eat the people they kill and they were

horrified yeah they were like so that's immoral you waste all that all the people that you kill in battle yeah yeah wow yeah that yeah would be horror, it's a waste. What a crazy way to look at it. And they believe they absorbed the noble qualities of their enemy. Only the good spots. Yeah. Wow. By eating them. Certain spots you don't eat.

Yeah, if you killed someone in a battle who you thought was truly a great warrior. Well, that's what brings you back to the whole UFO thing that makes it so compelling to me. So, we have really serious protocols for dealing with uncontacted tribes we we don't engage with uncontacted tribes and we find i mean we almost universally agree i mean loggers do in the amazon assholes and mean people but the the idea in the scientific community is we should leave these people alone and so when they find these uncontacted tribes whether it's north sentinel island where that missionary was killed recently or the amazon when they're you know going through these jungles and finding these small bands of people they overwhelmingly everybody wants to back off and

leave them alone yeah yeah and they are so close to us i mean they're human beings they're homo sapiens they have tools they have civilization they have law they have all these different things they live in these communities they're us yeah and we back off imagine what aliens imagine what aliens right would do i'm just imagine yeah that's true that's their conscience what is this jamie they don't want to screw the human flesh alternative the healthy human flesh alternative that's it yeah it's not real it's not real though there's a hoax from like 4chan Another 4chan thing Yeah One hoofoo burger please

I'd be down for a hoofoo burger I'll have a deep fried hoofoo burger Yeah Long pig Once you see tofu processed You're like oh I'm going back to me This is

Is this really good for you? Like what This is so processed It's true It's so fucking slopped It's like reduced to nothingness And then formed again Can I just eat soybeans?

Like what the fuck is this? Yeah which you can do Yeah you can At a mom and dad You can buy a bag of frozen ones That's the way to go I think so Don't eat fucking tofu

Why do I have to have It tastes terrible In like a toothpaste tube Well it tastes like nothing Yeah It's like It's weird Yeah

It's a weird choice Yeah I can't Yeah I can't stand anything made from tofu but i think that if aliens did see us there they would probably take a hands-off approach if we weren't totally ruining everything like if we didn't have some anti-matter weapon observe that's yeah some black hole weapon that we're just gonna just fucking nuke on new mexico just to see how it works happen and then they And they, if they saw, if they saw that it was going to

burn a hole through the planet and kill everything on, they might step in. Maybe for a second. Well, there was the,

before they launched CERN, the large Hadrian Collider. We all thought it was going to open up a worm, open up a black hole. That it would create a particle that would

devour the fabric of the universe. They thought it was a black hole that would expand and expand and expand until. Maybe it did. What... Maybe it did.

What? Maybe it did. God, man. Maybe we restarted. Maybe we're in a parallel universe. Wow. Maybe we were knocked off our timeline into another place. It makes less sense. Yeah, it was the thing that was going around the internet a little while ago, the evidence

of multiple universes that we pop in and out of different realities. It's a multiverse. Yes, right. Like the fact that we It's a multiverse. Like the Ford logo. Let's say, do you remember, do you recognize this part of the Ford logo?

And they say most people never noticed it. There's a weird little squiggle in the F. Really? Yeah. Well, the FedEx thing blows people's minds too.

What's that? It's the arrow. What arrow? Exactly. Hmm. Bring up FedEx.'ll never not see the arrow again Yeah, same thing with the Ford logo It's like there's So it's all perceptions

It's like It's been there the whole time And I didn't FedEx I didn't know there was an arrow there Yeah, there are people who insist that Oh The FedEx arrow is really Oh, interesting Okay, but oh the fedex arrow is really oh interesting okay

but that's an accidental arrow no you think so they designed it in there they did where's the arrow they definitely designed it right oh yeah right there the white part yeah oh yeah never see it again or never not see it again i know it's funny huh but i mean that could be like here's the fort yeah what's the fourth thing a that could be like the universe, right? Yeah, here's the Ford, yeah. What's the Ford thing? The little squiggle in the F. Jesus. Why is that a squiggle? Why is it squiggled? I never saw that.

That's ridiculous. Yeah. Who the fuck makes an F like that? That means it actually spells fjord. Yeah. Or fjord. Fjord. Fjord.

Fjord. Is that an I? What is it? Why would they squiggle it? Why did they do that? Oh, it's not there. Oh, it didn't used to do that. Interesting.

See, it's stuff that's right used to do that interesting see it's that's right yeah yeah that's right yeah the people who insist that mandela died in in jail so was there always a squiggle when did what is that is that a real ford that little thing when did they make the squiggle okay that's normal because that's what i thought the ford thing looked like until someone until i saw this maybe in the future did they stop the squiggle at some point they must have or the opposite maybe they add the squiggle dave you can't bring up the squiggle without some modern do the research what's a modern ford go to uh put 2019 ford

mustang let's see that let's's see if they have the squiggle. Yeah, they have the squiggle now. It does? I think it does. They added the squiggle. So maybe some asshole wanted to justify his existence by ruining their beautiful logo. They changed the logo. Yeah.

Look at it. Let's see. I mean, logos do change. That is the squiggle, I think. That's the squiggle. Yeah. Yeah. That's a new Mustang, so the squiggle is current.

Yeah. Yep. The squiggle's current It really doesn't fit No it looks stupid Yeah It would look better Without that stupid squiggle

Totally The only thing that's saving That squiggle Is that no one noticed it Up until now Oh great Now I'm never not Going to notice the squiggle

Thank you Mandela effect I hate Mandela effect But that just seems like People fucking with something That's not broken Yeah Right Yeah

It's like let's just Change it up Remember when they Came out with a new Coke people fucking with something that's not broken. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's like, let's just change it up. Remember when they came up with a new Coke? Fuck yeah. It was like a riot. They had a riot on their hands. That's not evidence of a parallel universe. That's just a stupid idea. They just ruined Coke.

Yeah. Do you know what the Coke's made with real cocaine? The original Coke. Yeah. No, today. Today? Yes. I thought they replaced it with caffeine.

No, they used coca leaves. Back in the 30s. They used coca leaves for flavor, yes. In fact, the company... Dude, it's crazy. The company that makes the coca... The company that uses the coca leaves, that brings in the coca leaves to make Coca-Cola, is the number one creator of medical-grade cocaine.

They use that coca leaf To also make medical grade cocaine There's no cocaine in Coca-Cola But there is a flavor That's a bunch of different Ford logos Over the years I drink Diet Coke which is just chemicals 1927? 2003?

All of them I like the one in 1903 That's actually pretty dope Google All of them? Huh. I like the one in 1903. That's actually pretty dope. Yeah, very weird. Google they use coca leaves to make Coca-Cola. They still do. They actually do.

And then the company that does that makes cocaine. Yeah, because the recipe for coke is herbal. There's a lot of herbs that go into coke. Yes, it's a flavor. But the Diet Coke is just chemicals. It's herbal. There's like a lot of herbs that go into Coke. Yes. It's a flavor. Yeah. But the Diet Coke is just chemicals. It's all artificial.

Remember I was in school when the new Coke thing happened and then they had an advertising? Besides producing the cocoa flavor agent for Coca-Cola, the Stephan Company extracts cocaine from the cocoa leaves, which sells it to Malin Kroktet, a St. Louis, Missouri pharmaceutical manufacturer that is the only company in the United States licensed to purify cocaine for medicinal use. Yeah, there you go. So they're actually using actual coca leaves. So someone, I guarantee you, if you follow the paperwork, there's a bunch of cocaine hanging around the executives. A little residual.

Those guys, they get a little bit here and there. Chewing leaves at work. Yeah, gives you a little pep me up. That's what's amazing is that you're not allowed to chew the leaves Because apparently chewing the leaves is really healthy Yeah You get flavonoids, it's actually good for you And it gives you a pickup that's very similar to caffeine

Yeah, I mean that's why people living in those forests have been chewing them They love Amazon rainforests, they love chewing Chewing those leaves What's this, Jamie? It's just one of those weird things that pops up when you see 90% of their sales are done in the United States But it's an Irish tax registered manufacturing That's the Irish economic explosion

Mark Trudeau One of those weasel moves One of them tax weasel moves Yeah Taxes That's a bizarre one You find out these giant corporations that make billions of dollars That they're all in Ireland

And they weasel out of taxes Yeah How much did Amazon pay last year? Because they don't believe in socialism Did you read that? How many taxes they paid last year, Amazon? Zero Zero

Well, you know It's nice that it exists How does that work? You get a one click and have some toilet paper sent to your house. I'm happy. I'm happy to use their product. And that's why they needed a billion dollars in tax breaks from the city of New York. How does that work?

I don't know. They could pay zero in taxes. Yeah. And why did they need those tax breaks in Long Island? Maybe that's why the aliens won't land. They're like, you fucking dummies. You let Amazon fuck you over like that? Or maybe that's why they're coming here.

All their money's in Ireland. Yeah. Ireland's doing great. Yeah. Ireland's kicking ass with cocaine. Shit. I'm going to Ireland. Chew leaves.

Aliens got a bank somewhere. I'm going to curl and chew leaves. There's some sort of A ballot initiative Where they're trying to put Psilocybin In the same Medicinal category As they're using

As they're doing With marijuana I hope they do I mean like We'll be able to get In stores In California They're trying to do that

And pass medical Medical psilocybin For therapy Yeah Well here's I've been on Antidepressants since news radio days. And I'm just actually just went off it this month.

This month? How are you feeling? Good. You look great. Good, yeah. I feel very good. And part of it was because I had this head injury a few years ago. What happened?

I had a, well, I don't know if you remember this. I used to drink quite a bit. I do remember. Do you remember that? Now, I. You do. One night, about four years ago, I went out got really drunk right before christmas and uh wound up i guess at a the bar called the must downtown right around the corner from my apartment

and i fell down on the patio just fell over like that i would call it a cartoon i would call it a Like cartoon I would call it a Deadfall backwards And land on the back of my head Oh my god And hit my head on the On the stone patio With enough force That my brain gave me A black eye From the inside of my

My head It's called cerebral hemorrhage I believe Yeah and I had A subdural hematoma Subdural hematoma I was in the ICU For four days

You had this red eye I had one of those Bright red blood eyes Yeah You have pictures of this? Yeah I do somewhere. Put it on Instagram. No, I guess my tablet is – not tablet.

Oh, Jesus. It's all right. They can edit this out. Can you edit that out of my memory, though? Edit this out? Is this like Total Recall where you can just remove things? But Chrissy – no, Chrissy has the photos of all that. But the weird thing was – and then I decided – well, I said, all right, I've got to quit drinking.

And I thought, it'll be hard, but I'll do it. And I kept waiting for it to get hard to not drink. And it never did. I'm now four years, I haven't had a drink in four years. He's on heroin now. Yeah. Did you do anything? Nothing.

No pot? No. Nothing? I wish, because I don't like pot. I wish I could enjoy pot. What don't you like about it? It makes me very quiet and paranoid. That's my favorite part.

For real, that's what I like about it. I like pot. But you seem very lucid when you're on pot. Yeah. You seem very communicative. Yeah. Whereas when I smoke pot, I can't put a sentence together. Oh, yeah, it makes me friendly.

Yeah, it makes me very withdrawn. Alcohol makes me friendly. Right. It does that for me, too. Yeah, I we say the one thing i miss about drinking is you know the liking people right yeah you still like me more yeah but it's a thing but i have because this brain injury it never was hard to not drink i my urge to drink was gone from getting knocked in the head yeah wow and also i noticed over the couple of years, I said, I haven't had any depression. Whoa. And so, just before, I guess, in like November, I said, I talked to my doctor. I said, I want to go off the antidepressants and see what happens.

And so, I've been like gradually weaned off. And just this month, took like the last antidepressant about a month ago. So, how long is the weaning process? Like about three months. And now, how do is the weaning process it's like about three months and no how's it really addictive yes yes and how do you do it when you're weaning it's just gradually reducing the dosage the daily dosage and then doing it every other day and then it's gone but they have a protocol yeah yeah and so did he discourage you no my doctor was he was excited about it he said said, that's great.

Congratulations. Good, good. But keep in touch. He was a real doctor too, right? Yeah. I guess so. He had a reflector on his head. That's all you need.

Oh, that means he's a real doctor. He had a white lab coat. Yeah. And he was like, I think he lives in the neighborhood. He's always walking around outside. That's him. That's a doctor. So we did it.

And so now I'm about a month I'm about a month in Without any antidepressants What is the difference? I don't really know yet I mean it's hard You don't feel different? To gauge it

I definitely feel more emotional Oh You know I kept crying at the Oscars Really? What? What parts? All of it. What?

You could have had Kevin Hardhost. You fucked it up. But no, I definitely more, I think I'm more emotional. You're more connected, baby. Yeah. And, you know, so we'll see what happens. You know, hopefully, I mean, hopefully, part of what I was thinking, I hope it will help with writing, because I felt like I was having trouble coming up with story ideas for things.

You do hug me too long now. Yeah. Oh, I've become a predator. Well, that's what it is. Yeah. But I feel good about it is the important thing. So, the only thing is emotions and you feel more creative? You feel more in touch?

I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I don't know yet. And I don't even know if I feel – I just know – I definitely know there's a heightened emotionalism. Has it affected your improvising? It has for a while. It doesn't seem to have. I was worried it would. I was worried that I would be – like I might not be able to go out and do those shows because I'd be more – I was worried I might be more moody and, you know.

Yeah, yeah. But so far it hasn't affected them. Because I went on them in New Israel because I couldn't work at one point. I got to the point where I just couldn't work anymore. And that's when I started going on antidepressants and it saved me. So I totally believe people should get on meds and stay on them. It definitely helps some people. I mean, it saved a couple of my friends, for sure, that were suicidal and just really didn't know where to turn.

They got on the right ones, and they had to experiment. Yeah, I don't think I would have made it through the 2000s. Really? Wow. And we just lost Brody Stevens, just died. Yeah, he got off his pants yeah he didn't like the way

it felt to be on them and you know it was so he's so hard that's such a hard one to take because everyone loved that guy and to think that

everyone I mean he has no haters I don't know a single person was like that guy was a dick no no one

everyone loved him he did everybody really hard yeah from close friends to people who just knew him a little bit like I knew him just a little bit he was so sweet but he was so so tortured he was just in pain all the time and yeah it's just it's so strange that you think the thing that people like most is for other people to love them and care about them and everybody loved brody yeah but yet he couldn't it just couldn't go on but i never i've never known brody to have a relationship i've never known him to have a special someone in his life and i mean that that alone yeah probably be very very depressing well especially if if everyone

loves you but you don't feel connected to any of them right like how empty that feels and that's yeah the core of depression fame but it's also the core of depression i have having had depression yeah one of the things that hits you is that feeling you just can't connect and does it was yours coming about when your first marriage was breaking up i mean i have lifelong, but I didn't get it treated until that point when I was like, you know, it was like, yeah, because the marriage was breaking up and I had to fly to like Africa twice in a month to see my kids. Do you remember the time that I protected a reporter from you? Oh, at the TCA's. Yeah.

He was on malaria medication and drinking, which apparently you're not supposed to do. So super sweet, kind Dave was going to kick someone's ass. And I literally had to hold on to him. I kind of want to see that. Because that was the other thing. I'd just been flown to Africa twice. And I just got back. We did the TCA's.

And I think I also threw a glass at – oh, fuck. I'm blanking on his name. Tony. Tony. Tony. Tony. Jesus. Yeah, fuck.

I'm blanking, too. Nice guy. Sorry, dude. Randall? Tony. Jesus. I love Tony. Tony's a great guy.

But I was, like, out of my skull, and I just – yeah. Well, that was a reporter I tried to – You took his tape recorder and dunked it in his glass. Oh, my God. and threatened to kick his ass yeah I was drunk yeah I was like oh my god do I have to do something

I was like I have to stop this this is crazy I can't believe this is happening that's nice it was after that that I went on the antidepressants because I crashed really hard after that and it was like one of those things I thought i can't go to work it can't do anything you were experiencing that combination apparently of the malaria medication and alcohol is like a crazy combination yeah and

then you add to that jet lag and the trauma of being separated from my kids yeah yeah the malaria pills on their own make you mentally well the thing is the thing is, I left Harari to the sound of my eldest child screaming, Daddy, don't go. Which even now I can't talk about. See, it's not worth having kids. No. No, it isn't. Do you have none?

He does. I have one. You have one. I have a 17 a 17 year old yeah it's good they're on their own now basically in the year you can just write them off yeah that's right next year he's going to college yeah but anyway if you are out there get on meds and stay on them yeah like brody should have stayed on his meds well you know i just i wish we could have all known how he was and how close he was to that. Yeah, well, that's the thing.

It's like people think like suicide, things like if you're close to suicide, it's the most rational choice you'll ever make when you're that close. Right. It just seems like the most sensible way to deal with the issue. I think you've got to stop this because otherwise it's too much pain. Yeah. I heard someone describe it as a burning. It's not even an emotional decision. It's jumping out of a burning building.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like there's that choice into the burning building or. Yeah. What's that feeling where you go, this is not an emotional decision I'm making. There's no choice. I've had two friends hang themselves this year. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is, I never thought friends hang themselves this year. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is, I never thought I would ever say that. Yeah. I never thought that that would be a way that people would be going out either.

Yeah. I remember we had Drake say there. Yeah. Oh, he was hard. Yeah. That was a hard one. I knew Drake back in the, essentially my open mic days. He was an established comedian in Boston and I was just starting out. Oh, yeah.

But so even though I'm happy that my brain injury seems to have cured my depression. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. Do you know a brain injury was responsible for Sam Kinison? Oh, the car crash, right? Yeah. He got hit by a car when he was a kid and became this wild man yeah same thing with roseanne i mean one of the reasons why i wanted to have roseanne on the podcast and talk about her her issue with uh her television show and everything

and her outbursts and all the crazy stuff she says on twitter yeah it's because i know her and i know her past and so i right away the beginning of the podcast i was like let's get into what happened to you and because i don't think she talked about it that much She was hit by a car She was in a fucking psychiatric ward for nine months Like she was gone And she was never the same person again When was this?

She was 15 years old Nine months She was walking across the street And someone had glare in their eyes from the sun And didn't see her Hit her with a car The fucking, the hood ornament went into her head I mean she had a severe brain injury.

She couldn't count anymore. She couldn't do math anymore. She was a very smart student before then and then crippled by it afterwards. Yeah. And then for nine months, she was in a psych ward and she talked about it. I'm like, I wanted people to know. I don't think anybody knows that. They know now hopefully more than they knew then but people that work with her did so when they were writing her off i'm like

jesus christ this is like taking a person with a broken leg and saying you know i'm mad at you that you can't run yeah and that's the thing and like whatever you're i mean obviously rosanne said some crazy and terrible things and and messed up a lot of people's lives but she's also a genius she's a comedic genius yeah she also made that show one of the best shows on tv when it was originally on the air but she's always done crazy you remember when she grabbed her crotch and spit when she did the national anthem and everybody hated her then they went crazy and this is like yeah early 2000s she did that she was always wild but that was why she was so good as a comic that was her appeal she did not give a unpredictable yeah like just wild and that is like kinnison and it came out of head injuries but that was why she was so good as a comic that was her appeal she did not give a fuck unpredictable

yeah like just wild and that is like kinnison and it came out of head injuries yeah you know really it's a lot of it well there was the famous story of the guy who uh was i guess working in a mine there was an explosion and uh like rebar went through his brain and they said before that he was a nice guy and after that he became they said he became evil he was just an evil person yeah after this rebar went through his brain. And, I mean, there's also – Happens. Yeah.

Well, the Texas School Book Depository shooter. It wasn't School Book Depository. I'm going to conclude with JFK. Yeah, the Texas Tower shooter. Texas Tower shooter had a brain tumor. Yeah. They found that out after he died. Like, oh, this is what it was.

Yeah. But you also have people who have suffered brain injuries And come out of it Being able to speak French Yes Or play piano Yes I think most people Who speak French Probably have a brain injury

Yes Am I right? Yeah Or people that like Suddenly can paint Photorealistic paintings Yeah Yes

Who have never had Any artistic ability before But they have a brain injury Yeah And it unlocks that Well you're All I got was sobriety out of it. That's a crazy example.

It's amazing, though. It does happen, for real. Well, they can learn it quicker, I think. I don't think they know it initially. They don't come out knowing it somehow? Well, the piano, I've heard these people, they literally could sit down and just knew what to do. Well, there's certain things that happen if people have certain

spectrum issues, where they're far better at mathematics far worse at social interactions there's there's pathways that are more lubed for you to figure things out that aren't as confused by social issues or or social stigmas or just normal human communication yeah and i think smartest people in history a lot of them a lot of them a lot of super fucking geniuses are on the spectrum well einstein didn't speak till he was five jesus yeah yeah like they thought he was they thought he was he was mentally retarded wow yeah that was back when they used to use that word yeah that's right yeah now you can get in trouble yeah that's right thank god we didn't use it yeah um when you had the head injury so

how much time was it before you felt like did you just stop drinking on the spot yeah i it was december 22nd i remember jackie was yeah i went to visit you and remember it was hawaii right they were going off no new york new york i was going to go to going off to new york uh christina lena to new york we're going to go to new york Going off to New York, yeah. Chrissy and Alina to New York. We were going to go to New York for the holidays, for Christmas and New Year's. My wife was like, now you're not, because you did this, you don't get to go to New York with your family. And they went, they went, they went at me. But, you know, but then again, Chrissy, I woke up in the ICU and Chrissy and Alina were there and we celebrated Christmas in the ICU.

Wow. You know, and. That was a pivotal moment. Yeah, yeah. So, you just decided on the spot no more drinking yeah and just said all right i'm gonna think i'm done and wow and and again i was preparing because i but uh a few years earlier like it's about maybe eight years earlier i tried quitting drinking you told me about this you were talking to me about pot yeah we were talking about You were like

I gotta stop drinking How far did you get? I went a year and a half Without drinking I think That's pretty good Yeah But I hated

I hated But I hated every minute of it Really? Yeah It was like Every day I thought It would be nice to drink Like every day

You just hung in there For a few hundred days Yeah Wow Still pretty good But like this time Yeah But even now I'll still go Oh I'll think Yeah You just hung in there for a few hundred days. Yeah. Wow. Still pretty good. But like this time, yeah. But even now, like I'll still go, oh, you know, I'll think, yeah, I do miss the taste of scotch, you know, because you work so hard to learn to like it.

Yeah. You know. And you really like scotch. Yeah. What are the positive benefits of not drinking? Of not drinking? You don't hit me. That's true.

But that's only positive for you, Paul. That's true. I thought we were talking about everybody's positive thing. This doesn't really affect me. Oh, okay. Whatever. I think that I don't do anything to unknowingly embarrass my daughter. If I'm going to embarrass my daughter now, it's deliberate.

Now it's deliberate. Right. You know. That, yeah, that's mostly just, you know, remembering things, knowing where I was the night before. I don't drink and I embarrass my son every single day just by walking around. Yeah. Just being near him. Just being next to him.

Yeah. He's like, come on, Dad. Do you think you are a genetic alcoholic or is this like a learned thing? Well, it's hard to say because, I mean, obviously alcoholism runs in my family, but is that just because, you know, we were raised by a horrible alcoholic? Do you think it's genetically, there's a genetic connection? There's probably a genetic predisposition to it. Yeah. I think there's genetic connections to almost all behavior. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think, you know, I don't think there's a lot of real free will going right yeah i've come to that more and more as i get older i mean i battle with it because obviously there are conscious choices you can make and yeah especially when you you know really make an effort to move into a certain path of the way of the thinking and believing but what's causing that you, how much of his life experience? Yeah, you can make conscious efforts to, I guess, ameliorate the influences of your genes.

Yes. But it's like you can live healthy, eat healthy, and avoid risks, and you're still going to probably die around 110 at best. At best. If everything goes great. Unless some new advanced medicine. Yeah, I think we're going farther than that, guys.

Come on. We very well could. We very well could. We very well could. I mean, I had David Sinclair from Harvard on two weeks ago, who's a life extension specialist, who's talking some fascinating shit. Yeah. Got to stop those tele-bears from snapping off. The notion, because people always talk about human lifespan is we used to live to be 40 on air.

But human lifespan hasn't changed at all since since essentially uh the beginnings of of human beings hasn't changed at all the the oldest possible lifespan is still exactly the same as it was you know uh 50 000 years ago yeah you know it hasn't changed people got it's just more people fewer people are dying young right right more people are living close to their potential. And a lot of that is infant mortality. If you look at the actual statistics, the reason why it's so low is not necessarily that no one lived to be 65 back a thousand years ago. Yeah, babies died.

Yeah, thousands of years ago, people did live to be over 100. But back then, you'd scratch your foot and then die two weeks later. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. yes yeah oh yeah but maximum human lifespan hasn't changed at all and that's the thing that maybe is going to start changing do you exercise at all never never ever in your life uh i mean as a kid i liked sports never like go for a hike or anything very rarely very you'd feel really good i probably would yeah it'll relieve a lot of tension. Just a little hike. Yeah.

You know, you don't have to do anything crazy. Yeah. No, I keep meaning, especially now that I'm, I think, not just getting older, but actually old. Yes. Now that I'm actually old. Dude, we were young when we met. I know.

We are old people now. I know. If a kid sees us, like, oh, those old dudes in their 50s. Yeah. We're old dudes. Yeah. No, it's crazy. I mean, yeah. It's weird. I'm really almost 60. Yeah. You know, 56, that's almost 60. It is. us like oh those old dudes in their 50s yeah we're old dudes yeah i know it's crazy i mean yeah i'm

weird i'm really almost 60 yeah you know 56 that's almost 60 it is you know it's closing in on it yeah and i'm a terrible looking 39 it's true which is good though that gives you longevity in this business yeah that's why steve martin looks good Because he never looked young He had gray hair Gray hair from the jump Yeah Yeah Yeah you could just listen To like books on tape And walk

It's great man You know just find a place Like go Runyon Canyon Just go walk it Yeah It's so nice Because you can do it At your own pace

And it's so good It elevates your heart rate Without anything crazy Yeah You don't blow your knees out You don't have to do anything nuts Yeah No I mean I have started

You'll feel amazing Although I've been on the road So I haven't been doing it on the road But I have like started doing Like some Like lightweight lifting And that sort of thing Oh great

Great Yeah You know just hire someone Which feels good Make someone come over to your house And tell you to do it I think that's the way to do it Have someone else make you do it

They're there at 10am Oh hi Bob No way out of it Let's do it Yeah No way out Yeah Get some hot Russian lady.

Yells at you. That sounds great. Great. Now there's my next divorce. Are you still doing stand-up? I know you're doing stand-up for a little bit. No, I stopped for a while. You know what I am going to do?

I have to go pee again. No. Okay. Go ahead. All right. Last one. All right. But no, I stopped once I got Dr. Ken.

Oh, okay. Oh, good night. Stopped peeing? No, no. I stopped doing stand- Dr. Ken. Oh, okay. Oh, goodness. Stopped peeing? No, no. Stopped doing stand-up once he got the television show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love that guy.

I don't see him enough. It's cool to see you two guys together. It is. You know? Because that's, I don't want to say it's a lifetime ago. It is a lifetime ago. But those are in your 20s and 30s oh yeah i mean i was a totally different human being when i was 27 you were 100 what's yeah yeah yeah i was crazy i was

i was completely insane what what where was the switch for you well i got older and wiser and realized how fucking stupid i was but also uh I was only a few years removed from fighting. You know, when I first started doing, uh, news radio, I was only like five years removed from my last fight and I still was sparring. So I was still getting hit in the head a lot.

Would you like come into work with a, with a face full of bruises? No, not that bad. I started doing jujitsu somewhere around news radio too around 96 so that was like i stopped really kickboxing very much after that and then i think i stopped entirely when i was like 30 i just realized like this has got to stop i gotta stop doing this so you were smart were you like this fit guy that just left it all behind or

you're always did you always keep it up i work work out for sanity. I've always worked out for sanity. I know a lot of people do that. I need it for whatever it is. And also, my personality was sort of forged by having these moments of clarity after extreme exertion. My personality was formed that way. If I had a problem, if I had something that I was dealing with, I would just blow it out at the gym, and then I'd have a better look at it

and probably wind up calling somebody and apologizing or something. Oh, interesting. It was like a rush of oxygen to the brain. Yeah, well, a rush of oxygen to the brain. And maybe even more important than that, a draining of excess energy. Right. Because I think if you, if you develop a certain way,

like I did martial arts literally most of my adult life and growing life up until that point. And so my body had sort of developed with this need for that exertion

in order to have clarity. And so I just, I'm like, this is my formula. I'm sticking with it. So I never let it go. It's amazing that you did stick, that you've never gone away from that. I can't.

That's good. I won't think right. I don't think right. I think so much better when I exercise. I mean, there's no comparison. It's like a pill. I did this sober October fitness challenge thing with my friends In October And we went crazy We were working out

Like three hours a day Because we were wearing These heart monitors And one of the things That I read Because we were trying To like get a certain score And whoever got

The highest score won One of the things That I recognized from that Was that the more I did In terms of cardio especially The less things bothered me Really The more clarity I had

The more peaceful I felt The more at ease I felt the more peaceful I felt, the more at ease I felt, no internal chatter. I just think for whatever reason, I mean, everybody has their own biological makeup, and for me, my biological makeup is entirely dependent on that. Just forget all the health benefits from it. The health benefits are giant, but for me, it's my mind. Exercise.

Weed, too. A friend of mine said that sitting is the new smoking. Yeah, they always say that. It's not good for you It's a compression of your discs for sure Especially your lower back And if you don't have good posture It's not good But you can mitigate it with exercise You just gotta make sure that you don't only sit Stretch yourself out

Take a yoga class. I'm liking this. I should be writing this down. Seriously. Yeah. I know. Do you do any exercising? I'm starting more.

I found out it's hilarious. I would like have kind of a, had a golf back injury type thing. Golf? Like when you swing that fucking, there's a lot of talk. It's hard. It's hard on your back. So I go, I go to the doctor and x-rays, and I got freaking scoliosis that I never knew. Oh, wow.

All my life. Oh, wow. At the bottom of my spine. What did they do about that? Laugh at me. By the way, I'm in there with my wife, Jackie, while he brings in the x-rays, puts them up on the thing and goes, hey, buddy, you got scoliosis. And she bursts out laughing. And says, that's why you walk that way.

Oh, my God. For real. Oh, that's hilarious. Every school at some point had the one hot girl with scoliosis who had the headgear on, right? Every school had one hot girl with scoliosis who had the headgear on right like every school had that hot girl i would go oh she didn't have the headgear on man she's really hot they had to have headgear for scoliosis yeah it's like a like it's just they tried to straighten out back and had metal like metal rods was that a scoliosis thing yeah i thought that was a broken neck yeah it was a scoliosis that's a neck hair i had a girl i had a yeah whole chest thing yeah she has like a big plastic thing that she had to wear to keep her like spine straight she'd wear for like two

years or something did it work uh sure i guess i don't i mean she didn't stay in touch no what do they do with it lost interest you know uh it's still the same thing i had a meeting with the specialist yeah and he's like, I like operating on people. That's the first thing he says. I like it. I like it. That's what I do. That's why I got into this.

I'm like. I like cutting them when they're asleep. He says, but, you know, you could do some exercises and some, you know, physical therapy and stuff to alleviate it. Yeah. And if it gets so bad down the road, I could maybe help you out with some rods. So you went in there because there was an initial issue. I had like issues when I was young, when I used to do like track and field and stuff.

I would get like a pain in an area. And then it kind of went away most of my life. Then I started golfing. And then I golfed more and more. And then one day I didn't warm up. And I did a twist And it just freaking Yeah

And it was in a certain spot And I went and it was like You've always had this condition Oh look at this There's a picture of Paul I know I look terrible in that photo That's a strange look That's hilarious

What's going on with his dick His dick's getting constricted That's something strange look Wow That's hilarious What's going on with his dick? That's like an His dick's getting constricted That's something they'd wear Under the pants maybe Yeah That's just the costume from TLC Bowie would have worn Yeah

It's hilarious In his androgynous phase Yeah They said I just gotta suck it up And exercise And get a strong core And I should be fine Take yoga

I gotta do that okay that's i keep hearing for old people all the time yeah did you just start it as an old person no i did it when i was younger and then i didn't do it seriously until about three four years ago then i stood and now i do it because you always did martial arts yeah and i would say like yoga was for people that just were too lazy for martial arts. No, yoga does some things that really enhance martial arts. Are you a hot yoga guy? Yeah, I like that stuff. That seems like torture to me.

It is a little bit of torture, but it's really good for you because your body produces heat shock proteins that are similar to when you go into a sauna. You feel great when you come out of there? You feel great, but it's also really good for inflammation. Just the act of doing it itself in the extreme heat. Like sauna would be amazing for you too for that reason. Yeah. And heat shock. There's a woman named Dr. Rhonda Patrick that's a regular on the show.

I have her on all the time and she's a genius. But she's a huge believer in sauna. And they did a study in Sweden or some shit where they took people With regular sauna use Versus not And the regular sauna use Had a 40% decrease In all cause mortality Heart attack

Stroke Cancer What? Yes Because when you're Regularly using it 20 minutes a day For 4 days a week

What they're essentially Saying is that Your body producing Those heat shock proteins And those cytokines 20 minutes of yoga? Yeah No no no

Heat Heat Sauna Just sauna Just sauna heat Sitting in a sauna Going in a sauna Your body producing those heat shock proteins And those cytokines 20 minutes of yoga? No, no, no Heat Heat, sauna, just sauna Just sitting Sitting in a sauna Going in a sauna I got a sauna out here Sit in a sauna, 20 minutes That just doing that is

Because almost all ailments and issues Deal with inflammation Yeah Well, I have two pinched nerves right now And like herniated discs And And they were Like I was like

Like on the couch for like two months Couldn't move Is that from your injury? No I don't I don't think it was I don't know what it was from But it was It may have been

It may have been But it was Like one day it just started My arm started hurting You're pointing towards your neck Yeah it's like somewhere in here The herniated discs are That makes sense It's a sciatica type thing yeah no no sciatica is your lower back yeah that's your lower back but the uh yeah like for about two months my arm my arm my entire arm felt like

it was going to explode it felt like there was this pressure building up in it and it was literally like like it was going to explode and and i was getting like the shots you get when you're having an epidural. I was getting epidural shots that were doing nothing. I was taking 16 Advil a day. Jesus. Jesus. That's terrible. How does your stomach take that?

Yeah. And I was getting no pain relief at all from it. And then I started using CBD. Oh. And like that, it was gone. Amazing. And even now, it's like, you know, I couldn't do any, for two solid months, I couldn't get off the couch. CBD is incredible.

Yeah. I use that stuff so much. I got the rubbing stuff. That's great, too. And it makes it better for about two days. My friend Hans, though, he told me, he has a recent shoulder surgery surgery And he said Everybody likes to use The rub stuff But you really should

Take it with The edible stuff Like oral CBD And rub stuff Works together Smoking Yeah I started I had the cream

No just Just pop a pill Yeah I had the cream That I rubbed And then I started Using the tincture with it We have some here If you want some

Yeah I do See that case in the back That case is given to us By Speedweed Yeah that big chest Oh cool here if you want some yeah see that case in the back that that case is given to us by uh um speed weed yeah that big chest chest of marijuana that's a lot of weed it's crazy and here's the thing the tincture along with the the cream yes perfect my arthritis went away too yeah yeah i had like like i gotta get this finger stuff bent yeah i could i couldn't bend my hand wow yeah and it's like that's gone.

Inflammation. Yeah, the knee, my arthritis in my knee is completely gone. It'll go even further if you cut out sugar. Yeah. Yeah. I did that. Cut out sugar and bread. I did that and I felt fantastic once the sugar was gone. Crazy, right?

Mm-hmm. We poison ourselves our whole lives. That is a poison. Yeah. Sugar, absolutely. That's the one thing. When I quit drinking, I wanted more sugar. Oh, yeah.

That's one effect. Because I've quit drinking I wanted more sugar Oh yeah That was one effect Because I've never had a sweet tooth really But when I quit drinking I suddenly was craving the chocolate Of course, yeah, makes sense I should go back to zero sugar I went zero sugar for a while and it felt amazing Now I'm just like little tiny bits here and there Do you do zero?

I do, I had dessert Saturday night I had a big old cake with ice cream on it after dinner So no sugar I went on a date with the wife at Mastro's I had dessert Saturday night. I had a big old cake with ice cream on it after dinner. So no sugar. I went on a date with the wife at Mastro's. We had this fat steak, and then I got this butter cake with ice cream. It was delicious. That sounds great.

So good. So good. So good. Oh, so good. That sounds amazing. How do you say no to that? That sounds amazing. And occasionally you've got to say fuck it.

That's what I think. Yeah, yeah. But I just For the most part I'm on like an 80-20 diet 80% of it is super healthy And then the 20% Is occasionally I fuck off

Yeah Yeah I was seeing that That Two and five Fasting Yeah Where you

Two days a week You do like 600 calories Yeah And then the rest of the week You can do whatever you want I'm on the seven and zero yeah seven pig out i i do um uh intermittent fasting so every night if i you know have dinner at 7 p.m you know i don't eat anything for 16 hours i do once a year at passover yeah yeah sorry yeah but it was weird i found I found my cholesterol just dropped through the floor

Yeah When I did that But I haven't been doing it lately Yeah Well Boys, we just did three hours Oh my God Can we do this more often?

I'd love to This was only our second podcast ever Believe it or not It's crazy Yeah, and I'm in much better shape this time Yeah, you're great, man Everything's wonderful Yeah

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