The Joe Rogan Experience - #1291 - C.T. Fletcher

Episode Date: May 6, 2019

C.T. Fletcher is an ex-powerlifter, actor, video-blogger, and owner of Iron Addict Gym. He is a 3-Time World Bench Press Champion and 3-Time World Strict Curl Champion. http://ctfletcher.com

Boom and we're live. What's up brother? How are you? Man, Joe Rogan, I am so happy to be here. I'm so happy to see you. Fuck. You've gone through a journey. Oh man, since the last time I seen you. Yesterday was one year from your heart transplant anniversary. Exactly. Wow. One year and Joe, if I told you it was easy, I'd be lying. But, man, it was so worth the journey, and it ain't even funny. What does it feel like right now? Like, have another person's heart in your body. What does that feel like? Well, a lot of times, Joe, it feels like I actually did die, and this is just a dream that I'm living right now. Wow. I think this would be my heaven.

You look great. You're still jacked. No, no, I don't think. You're not losing any weight? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I mean, you're still jacked. You still got muscles. You know, it's such a fall from where I was.

I really appreciate that, though. a fall from where I was. I really appreciate that, though. But, you know, I look at myself now and it's just a, you know, fragment of what I used to be. But, you know, I'm still here. That's what's so important to me, man. Well, the ridiculous thing you were doing, you're making videos of your working out, like getting ready.

And after your heart operation, you have a heart transplant and you're running in a parking line. You trip and fall. I'm like, Jesus, man, slow down. Yeah. Yeah, I got a little out of that. You just decided that you were just going to start pushing from the beginning. Well, actually, my brain was ready, but my body wasn't.

Did they warn you about doing that? Did they say it was okay they told me that you know they gave me permission to walk and you know me i'm like walk shit i can run yeah at least my mind said i could run right what does it feel like though like when you like what is the difference between the way your heart feels now? It's night and day. You know, before I got the transplant, it had got really bad, you know, really bad. And I had to flatline two more times, you know, before the actual transplant. And it was, I couldn't go through another flatline.

I mean, that would have been it. But the difference now, I mean, it feels. When you say flatline, like your heart stopped? Yes. Whoa. And what did they do to start it back up again? Okay. After I had this last heart attack, they asked me, they said,

Mr. Fletcher, do you want us to put in a pacemaker? And I thought about it a lot because my brother, my older brother, Walt, had a pacemaker installed before he passed away. And his pacemaker was actually going off when he died. So I'm like, nah, it didn't really do any good for him. So I was like going back and forth. And then just something, a voice said, yeah, go ahead and get it. And so I told him, yeah, put it in.

The pacemaker saved me. Wow. So it went flat like so your heart gave up and then the what does the pacemaker do exactly it's like a defibrillator you know like they have the paddles that give you electric shock you know that's that's what the pacemaker does just give you a little yeah it's on the inside uh you know inside and it's connected directly to your heart wow and that sucker flat lines it gives you a jolt wow yeah did you feel it no no i was i was dead until we say when you're dead you don't feel nothing man so you'd blacked out too oh uh it's not a blackout or like it goes off when you're sleeping. Death is totally different.

Totally different. And you I knew that I was dead before I died, before I flat out. It was just me and my wife at home. And I was talking to her just like I'm talking to you. And the next thing thing all the lights went out it was like uh one of those old-fashioned tvs I don't know if you're old enough to remember these black and white tvs yeah yeah that's exactly how it was just a tiny pulp tiny pinprick of light yeah and you know that that's it wow it's, you know, you absolutely know that this is it.

And it's not, you know, this is the irreversible. And you know that it's this is death and not just you're not just dozing off. Yeah. You know, did you have a near death experience? I everything. The only thing you have to only thing I had time to say was i had time to call my wife's name but i mean when they say things rush you know everything's like this is it this is it you know you're not gonna be able to do this anymore you're not gonna be able this is it this

is it the final finalization of everything hits you like you know this is, you know this is it. You know this is the final thing. This is your last moment on earth. And you know it. It's clear. And I'm like, what do you do? B, all I could do was say my wife's name and that was it.

That was it, man. So the pacemaker kicks in and then you come back online? Yeah. And it was so, that's a damn good description. I mean, it was like I thought, I felt like that I had been asleep for hours. It was the best, most peaceful, restful time of my entire life.

Wow. In just a short moment, it felt like I had been asleep, you know, for eight hours. I was so rested, so well rested. Wow. And my wife told me, you know, it was just a short period of time,

but it felt like I had been asleep for eight hours. So this happened twice? Yes. The second time was in the hospital. Oof. Yep. Wow. So they tell you,

okay, Mr. Fletcher, we have a heart for you yeah they call me like 240 in the morning i think it was so you have to get in there right now is that how no no i had hours uh before i had to actually be at the hospital i said be be at the hospital thing like six or seven that morning. And then you're thinking, oh, boy. I was happy and sad when I got the call. I was happy for myself because I didn't think I could go through another flat line. But I was sad for the donor and the donor's family. I knew somebody had to pass away in order for me to get that heart. So I felt real bad about that.

So they put it in you. You wake up. What does that feel like? It felt like being born again, a rebirth, another try, another go at life. Wow. Yep. I get another start, another go at life wow yeah i get another start another chance at it my set ain't over wow so from the moment this they have to open you up oh yeah they do that chest spreader thing and uh and what is all that like well of course i course, I'm done. You're out, of course. But when you wake up and you look down, you're covered with stitches, right? I mean, it must be a giant scar, right?

Oh, they are so good now, Joe, that, you know, I have a scar. But considering this is my second time being split open, you know, the first time in 05 when they put a metal valve in, First time in 05 when they put a metal valve in, I flatlined during that operation three times on the table during the operation itself. So me and flatlining, five flatlines, I think I'm at my limit, man. Wow. So I seen the scars. They had to take the pacemaker out. They took the metal valve out of the, well, they took the, the old heart had the metal valve in it.

So they took the old heart out. They put in a new heart. And it's just, man, it's unbelievable. Because before, a shower would kill me. If I took a shower, I'd be done for the rest of the day. A shower? Yeah. A shower would kill me for the rest of the day. shower? yeah a shower would kill me for the rest of the day

I had a seat in the shower you know how would a shower kill you? oh man it was that amount of physical activity and you know

how you know people take taking a shower for granted but that amount of physical activity would kill me I'd be wiped

out just for washing yourself? Yes. Wow. For the rest of the day, man. It was. So you were hanging by a thread. Oh, yeah.

Definitely. Definitely. Wow. It was, you know, killing me. You know, and my wife was opening jars for me. Here I am, former bench press world champion. And I got my wife, hey, baby, could you open this jelly jar for me? Wow. Yeah. It's humbling. Humbling. It's very big time. Big time humbling. press world champion and i got my wife hey baby could you open this jelly jar for me wow yeah it's

uh humbling humbling very big time big time how long did you have to stay in the hospital for um we went in the hospital not very long i mean we got out of uh we went straight to intensive care they keep you there for like three days but I think I was probably released within two weeks total. Wow. Yeah. And then are you using a walker? Are you walking fine? I wouldn't say I was walking fine, but I was walking.

You're just walking slowly? Oh, big time. Big time slowly. Yeah, I was crawling along. Wow. And how long did it take for you to get to where you're at now? Now I'd have no idea that you had a heart transplant. Really?

Well, I appreciate that, Jeff. No, when I saw you, you looked very happy. Oh, I am happy. You look like you're glowing. I'm extremely happy. I'm extremely happy just to be alive. You're glowing. I'm extremely happy just to be alive.

When you come that close to dying, man, every day is just a blessing, man. If people ask me, how you doing, CT? I'm blessed, man. I got no complaints. Legitimately blessed. Oh, yes. No complaints whatsoever, man. I'm doing it.

I see I want to hug the head. Joe, I'm so happy to see you. I'm so happy to see you too, man. I'm doing it. I see I wanted to hug the head. Joe, I'm so happy to see you. I'm so happy to see you too, man. I'm alive. Wow. Because we, you know, last time I was on, we talked about me needing

a transplant and I needed the transplant. And now I'm back. I had it. And the first six months were rough. Yeah. The first six months

after it was. Like how so? Oh, the jelly jar, opening the jelly jar, just not being able to do, you know,

normal things. The first thing I tried to do was walk. So they had me walk around, I guess, a city block,

maybe a city block. Joe, when I first tried to walk around a city block, I'd have to stop probably 12, 13 times and take a seat and get up and try to walk. And it was killing me, man. My wife would slow down. She'd slow down and walk with me.

It was such a struggle. And I'm like, you know what? I don't give a damn how long it take me. I'm going to make it, man. I'm like, you know what? I don't give a damn how long it take me. I'm going to make it. I'm going to make it. So just keep going. And what kind of activity are you able to do now a year later?

I am lifting again, but very lightly. I'm able to do the machines and stuff in the gym. I think I've been able to do that for the last two months. So when you say lightly, is this by doctor's orders? Oh, yeah. I can't do anything without them approving it first. Except the run in the parking lot. They didn't approve that.

My mind was like, go ahead. You can do it. My body was like, leave me out this motherfucker. Yeah. So what holds you back in terms of like lifting weights like why do you have to go light and my strength is just nowhere near what it used to be the strength is still you know i can tell that uh you know i have a long way to go but you know just to be able to do anything so i get i get in there do what I can. That's what I tell people all the time, man. If you can't do what you want to do, at least get in there and do what you can do.

It's better than doing nothing. Yeah. So now, do they have you on medication to make sure that the heart doesn't get rejected by your body? Most definitely. And people out there who've had transplants, I know they're like, oh, man, yeah, I take about 21 different medications every day. Yep. 21 different medications.

And what are the side effects of this stuff? They used to be worse, but now, you know, my feet are swollen pretty much every day. Something in the medication kind of kicks my arthritis. I have arthritis, too, so it kind of kicks in. My toes are stiff, you know, pretty much every day. But when I compare the side effects to what could possibly happen, which is death, the side effects ain't shit. I'll take them. Now, will you have to take this medication forever?

It gets less, less and less. When I go back this month, back up to Palo Alto where they did the transplant, they're going to take off about four or five different medications. So I'm a year out now, they less, and then the further you get out the less medication and I'm thinking eventually we'll get down to two or three but you'll always have to take something oh yeah definitely

and is this because your body doesn't understand why it has someone's heart in it for a while that's in the beginning I'm taking 21 now it's because

you know to keep the chances of rejection down why do bodies reject do they understand that yeah it wasn't the one that you was born with right that's a foreign you know a foreign heart and i really want to talk to you about that heart what i know about it um it's a woman's heart right yeah so you know you know already i thought i was gonna drop a bomb on you no i'm following you very good yeah but i tell you that that threw me for a loop yeah and i was you know you know i'm always talking about how strong my faith is and you know i'm faith faith faith faith man

super man of faith. And I have so much faith to nothing can't faze me. You know, I went into the operation. Hey, I'll see you guys on the other side of this because, you know, I know I'm going to be all right. I got so much faith that, you know, I'm going to get through this. So I'm going to see you guys. But when the doctor came in and told me that I had a woman's heart, that sucked the shit out of my face. Because I had done study, you know, I looked, you know, studied on this, the survival rate of male to female.

And it wasn't good. The studies I had read wasn't good when they do female to male. I'm sorry, female to male. It's not good. And I was like, everything I'm sorry. Female to male. It's not good. And I was like, everything I had read said it's not a good thing. The doctor comes in and says, yep, you got a woman's heart. And she wasn't that much younger than you are. I'm like, fuck.

That, you know, socked me. That tested my faith big time. How did she die? I have no idea. I have no idea. I have no idea. But the thing, I have feelings. I haven't talked to the family. I would love to.

I don't know anything about it. But I have these feelings. And I really would like to know if what I'm feeling is right, you know, I really want to meet the family and let them know that I'm out here doing everything I can to raise donor awareness. And that their mother or their wife or their sister or their aunt didn't die in vain. And that I'm doing my absolute best to carry on and let people know that, you know, she was a donor and that it's so utterly important for people to donate, to give the gift of life. What are these feelings that you're having? I have feelings that for some reason I can see that I feel like she was an Oriental lady. Really?

And, you know, I don't know why, but I really have feelings like that. And I feel like I can see this woman telling her husband, you know, I'll see you when you get home from work and making plans with their kids for the weekend. And I have no idea if this is right or not. But I just have those feelings. Are they recurring? Yes. And do you remember it like a memory? It's like I get to look into her existence, her life.

And I have no idea. I could be totally wrong. She could be a Jamaican lady. I have no idea if I'm in the ballpark or not. I just have this feeling. I just have a feeling. Wow. Do you have any unusual cravings or anything?

Like food or? I don't think, no, I don't think I have any. I do talk to her. And I feel like that, you when like when I was walking around and I'm trying to make it around that block I would often ask her for help to help me make it around me apply yeah I talked to her a lot Wow come on lady I need you do you have a name for her? I just call her Lady. Come on, Lady. Come on, Lady. I need your help.

Wow. Wow, that's crazy. Superman from Compton has a lady's heart. Now, when you say that it's not, the results aren't good for lady hearts in male bodies. Yeah. Did you say that to the doctor? Yeah. I mean, the doctor um it's so funny i don't even know if

the doctor's supposed because it was this one doctor he would come in a young guy and he would come in every day how you doing mr fletcher and i would say i'm blessed i don't care i when i woke up from the transplant i consider every second after that a blessing it's borrowed time man i wasn't supposed to be here. So my answer is always, I'm blessed. So he come in. How you doing, Mr. I'm blessed.

I'm blessed. He said, you know what? You're going to change that. I go, no, doc. It's nothing you can say that's going to make me change my answer. I'm going to always be blessed no matter what you say. He said, you think you're doing really good, don't you? And I went, hell yeah. I think I'm alive He said, you think you're doing really good, don't you? And I'm like, hell yeah.

I think I'm alive. Yeah, I think I'm doing good. I walked around this hospital corridor. I think I'm doing really good. He said, you're not. You're doing about what you're supposed to be doing. And you have a woman's heart. And it's too small for you.

And she was almost your age i go fuck it's too small yeah he told me that the heart was too small and uh it's the lady was uh i was 58 or nine and 59 because i'll be 60 on june the 8th so uh he says it's too small and you're not you know you're not doing anything extraordinary you're just doing average and she's you're a man for the rest of the day i was fucked i was fucking i'm like man i was I was fucked. I was fucking, I'm like, man, I was, you know, God, why did you do this to me? Why did you give me a woman, sir, and an old woman at that? Why can't you give me an 18 year old?

I mean, why, God, I was questioning, why did you do this to me? Did you ask him? Heck yeah. What did he say? You mean the doctor or God? The doctor. I didn't ask the You mean the doctor or God? The doctor. I didn't ask the doctor. My doctor did come in.

And I'm sorry. I did ask the doctor. I asked her. I said, doc, why? Why could you? Dude, I had tears in my eyes because this was, you know, I'm like, fuck, I got another heart, but I ain't going to last long. I'm going to be out of here. So it was, you know So it was fucking with me.

And the doctor, I asked the doctor, why? I mean, why? And she looked me in the eyeballs, Joe, and she said, Mr. Fletcher, we didn't want you to die. It's just that simple. We didn't want you to die. So that was what was available. That was what was available. It was a healthy heart.

And I needed one bad, Joe. Now, will that heart grow to match your body? It already has, Joe. Really? It is the proper size that it did. Yes. And the doctor that told me it was too small is the one who told me that it had grown to the proper size. Wow. So why did it grow? Because it recognized it was in a bigger body? Joe, that's on the physical. If you look at it physically and probably with a rational mind,

it realized that it had to adapt to a large figure. But I'm going to give a little credit to God because that's just me, man. Because he came back too fast. I mean, it was like a week later. and said it's already the size it should be. A week later? Yes. A week after the transplant? A week later before I left the hospital. He was telling me that it's already the size it should be.

Jesus. And I said, see, doc, I told you I'm blessed, man. That doesn't make any sense. I know. What did he say? Did the doctor say it doesn't make any sense too? No Or is it just a normal thing?

Yeah I have no idea Wow I have no idea if it's a normal thing or not But you know I mean I'm giving credit I'm like wow Another miracle

Thank God And like I said I questioned God And my answer was That I got back was simple. He said, if I gave you an 18-year-old Olympic athlete's heart CT and you recovered and was doing well, then people are going to say that that's why. You got an 18-year-old Olympic gold medalist's heart and you're able to recover and stuff because of this. But if I take an old lady's heart that's too small and that you're not supposed to be able to come back and do these things with this heart, then they're going to have to give me a little credit.

He said, I have a habit of taking the least of the least, the lowest of the low, and making something out of it. And I said, you know what, let me shut the fuck up. You're absolutely right. It wouldn't be that impressive. Right. It wouldn't be a miracle if I, you know, if it was this wonderful heart. But because I'm God, I'm going to take this heart and give it to you, and you're going to still do all those things. So shut up, C. CT. I said, okay.

That's good. Now, when you're exercising now, are you pushing or are you just getting to a point where you just feel a little tired and you back off? No, it's all roguing. I can't help but push myself. I know, that's why I'm asking that.

I give everything I got. Yeah. I can't help it. I cannot help it. And do you feel weird when your heart starts beating heavy? Or should I say her heart? Yeah. Her heart starts beating pretty fast.

And, you know, I don't feel weird. I feel like it's something i've done my whole life and i'm just glad to be back able to do you know some of what i used to do it's just i feel good you know i still talk to her though come on lady i'm sure we should get through this set lady and now you feel it building up like you feel like every month or so you get stronger? Definitely. Yeah, definitely. I feel the longer that it's in me, the longer that the heart is in me, the more it feels like, you know, that's where it should be.

My body adapts. And how long does a heart transplant usually survive in a person well um i think the the longest at this point is close to 40 years 40 years wow yeah yeah i don't want 40 years i don't want to be 100 man you. You don't? No. Why not? I never expected, like I said, on June the 8th, I'll be 60. I never expected to make it to 40. Really? Oh, really.

Really, yeah. I never expected to die young. So I'm way past what I thought I would make it anyway. Why did you think you were going to die that young? Oh man, I never had. I wanted to be the sky rocket, man. To shoot brilliant like to shoot way

up in the sky and be a brilliant burst and man, I thought that would be the perfect ending. Just go for it. Go for it, go for it, go for it, and explode. Dead motherfucker, yeah. But he was something else when he was alive. I'd be happy with that. That's what you thought was going to happen?

Yeah, definitely. Wow. Now you got to settle in for 41 years? Yeah. I don't even want to be 41. Well, why do you say that, though? You want to be alive right now, and every day is a blessing right now. So why isn't 40 years a blessing?

It would be a blessing, but I don't want to be around where I don't want to be a burden on anybody. And I think when you're 100, man, somebody else got to take care of you, wipe your ass, you know. Yeah. You got to wear diapers and shit. And I don't know if I would. I wouldn't want to be around to be a burden on somebody. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I know what you mean. But right now you're not a burden. I hope not. No. I think my wife might disagree. But I hope not. but you're moving around man i mean like i said if i didn't know i would have no idea well i appreciate that and even though i know you must have lost some muscle you're still if i just met you i'd be like this

is a jack dude really yeah you still look at the size of your arms man they're still huge i don't think so but i compared to what they used to be that's why yeah yeah i guess. I don't think so, but I appreciate it. Just compared to what they used to be, that's why. Yeah, yeah. That's all it is. So I don't see them as huge. That's the kind of stuff that don't even matter that much to me anymore. Right. I'm sure. You have a new lease on life.

Oh, yeah. Big time. What matters to you now? The really important things are, of course, my family and spreading donor awareness is so important because so many people die just waiting to get a heart on the list. I think 21 people a day pass away just waiting, trying to get it. And I was so fortunate, so blessed to be able to get one that i want to try to make sure that other people get one too so for whatever i can do to try to raise awareness what is the problem like people putting uh that they'll donate their organs yeah yeah it's so simple it's you can do it online now

on your driver's license in california you can't i don't know about other states, but in California, you can do it all online, you know, and through the DMV and get your dot on your driver's license. And I want to be a donor. And I mean, you can't take the stuff with you. No, people get paranoid, too. I've heard people say I'm worried about doing that because what if they don't resuscitate me because they need someone to get a heart or a liver or something? I'm like, oh, no, man. I really don't think that's what doctors are into. No, no.

It's – hell, I had a – I, younger, you know, when I first got my driver, I was 16 years old. And they asked me, do you want to be a donor? I'm like, no. I'm taking everything that God gave me with me. I ain't – no. I ain't even, uh-uh, no. I ain't donating nothing. But, you know, time brings about a change, man. You get a little older, a little more wisdom.

And if I can got something that somebody else can use, definitely, most definitely take it. My mother and all nine of her brothers and sisters all passed away from heart. So it's just something that's in your family. Oh, yeah. It's very unique. My older brother, Walt, passed away just a couple years ago from congestive heart failure and other complications. So heart problems run big time in the Fletcher family. That's a crazy one, right? That does run in families. Yep. It is crazy. But it's reality.

Yeah. So now, what kind of diet do they have you on? I eat very clean now, Drew. I guess I have my kids crack up. I say I'm a Presbyterian, but actually that's pescatarian. I fish. I eat fish and vegetables. It's no bullshit.

Yeah, no bullshit. No time for bullshit. No time for bullshit. That's exactly right, man. Do you drink coffee? Time is precious. No, I used to. But the caffeine, my doctors don't like me with that caffeine.

Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah. So rest must be very important for you, too. Yeah, I get plenty of it. Yeah, it is. What other things do they make sure that you do? The diet has to be on point. I have to take my medication.

sure that you do um the diet has to be on point have to take my medication uh they don't want me um to uh you know do too much strenuous activities um they had limited me i i wouldn't i was not able to travel out of the country until yesterday so yes so at one year anniversary that's when they give you the green light yep and i can go one year anniversary, that's when they give you the green light? Yep. And I can go all over. What did they say when they saw you run in the parking lot and fall down? All my doctors,

and, you know, they all said, oh, CT, what do you think? Except one. Except one, my cardiologist. And he said, you know what, CT, I'm not going to lecture you like everybody else did. You already know that they shouldn't have done that. But, man, I am so proud of you. He said, you have inspired me to start working out again.

Wow. Yep. That was Dr. Salaam. Dr. Salaam, if you're listening, thank you. He was the only one that didn't condemn me. How far out was that from surgery when you fell down? Three months. You're so crazy. Yeah, I felt like I could do it too. My mind was like, go.

Yeah, well, that's that mentality that you have, you know. I would imagine that's very hard to adjust. Yeah, it's big time. I mean, from being able to have my, it will be the same for you. You're an active guy, kicking the shit out of bags and stuff, old lightning foot over there. And then, you know, you think, not be able to raise your leg or throw a punch. Man, I'll be walking around in the grocery store with my wife, and I'm like, man, I hope

nobody fucks with me. Oh, right, right, right. So how does it feel if somebody, you're thinking, man, if somebody fucks with you, you can't even punch them? Yeah, you can't do anything. You can't do nothing. You'd be helpless. Man, that is hard to accept. That's what little old ladies have to deal with every day of their life, right?

It's super hard. I'm like, man, if somebody fucks with me, I'm just going to get beat up. I got no defense. That's a terrible thing. That's a terrible thing. That's a terrible thing. But awfully humbling. Awfully humbling, yeah. Damn.

And you realize just how your whole life you've lived for strength. I've been a strong man my whole life. And then all of a sudden, all of that is taken away and you're just you know a fucking invalid man you're just weak as shit it's very hard mentally to deal with but you're past that now yes now you're just in what what how would you categorize like how you feel right now? I categorize my my emotional feelings as being probably better than ever. Really? Yes.

I see things in such a different light after coming that close to dying. The things that I thought were important are just don't even matter like what give me an example uh i used to i give you one example you know people i used to tell okay you asked me about this last time i was on the show and i tell people they say well it's about the steroids steroids lcd you take tears and I tell them the same thing that I've been saying for fucking 25 years in magazine articles and stuff. I tried them. Yes, I tried them when I was young. And it didn't work for me.

I stopped taking them many, many years. And a lot of people don't believe that. They don't believe that. And they'll tell me, oh, you're full of shit, CT. You're lying. You're da-da-da, you're da-da-da. And, Joe, that used to bother the fuck out of me. People used to lie.

And I'd be arguing with people online and say, fuck, I'll take your goddamn drug test anytime. Any 24 hours a day, you can test me. I'll fucking, I'll tell you what, I'll give you 10,000 bucks. If I fail your drug test, all you got to do is get off fucking social media. Nobody ever took that. But I don't give a fuck if people say i take steroids now i don't care who cares right i don't care now it's a fucking compliment do you uh you don't

still go back and forth and argue with people online oh no no not anymore you know i sure did oh shit i would i would jump on them in a minute i used. I used to see you doing it. I'd shake my head. I'd be like, why is he doing that? Oh, man. Because that was my mentality. I'd attack and I'd attack back. You hit me, I'm going to hit you back, man. Try to hit you harder. Let's go.

All caps. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, I do the all caps. People talk to me about, you're yelling, you're yelling, CT. But I can't half see. So I make it all caps so I can read what I'm talking about. Right, right, right. Or you're yelling.

I said, can you actually hear that? Can you actually hear those words? You're fucking, wow, you got spidey sense, man. That is one of the most humbling things about getting older is the vision going. Oh, yeah. From when I was like 42 i started noticing and by the time i was 46 i was like god damn it i think i need glasses yeah because i would just try to like read the computer and i'd be doing this with my eyes like bulging my eyes and

squinting and trying to look at it sideways and trying to see what the fuck i was reading it's a weird thing it's like oh boy my ability to see the world is fading. It happens. It happens to the best of us. But it's a warning sign. Like, hey, man, this is a finite existence. Yep. Oh. Get some shit done.

Right now. Right now. Don't wait. Don't be waiting. Time is such a precious commodity. Billionaires, you cannot buy one second. One second of life. Yeah.

Can't do it. Nope. It's so precious. If anything that you're thinking about doing and you've been putting off, my advice is to get to stepping. Get to doing that shit right now, man. Get after it. Don't put it now, man. Get after it. Don't put it off any longer. Get it done.

So do you feel like you're like C.T. Fletcher 2.0? Definitely. A new dude. A new dude with a new attitude, man. Yeah, big time. No more you want to be arguing. I tell the guys I used to argue with online, hey, I love you, man. You can hate me all you want

to i love this shit i ain't got time for hate yeah and for racism or a big i got time for none of that it's all foolishness yeah it's so much bullshit and just a waste of time it ain't even funny yeah i'm like look if the in the transplant experience enhanced my view. I've always said we're all the same under the bar. My mom taught me to love everybody. But look, they took, I have no idea, the nationality or race of the donor. It don't matter. I hope you're right.

If you're right and it's an Asian woman, I think that would be fantastic. I do too. That you could feel that, that you would know that and you could feel it. Man, wouldn't that be something? It would be amazing. I got to find out. How can you find out? I don't, I have no idea.

Hopefully they're listening to the Joe Rogan podcast. Well, why don't you give them some details? Like when, what day did it happen and what, like where did the, did they tell you where the donor came from? Nope. What part of the country? Nope. I know that the heart was flown in.

Hmm. And I actually, you know, my wife videoed it. How crazy is that? It's something else, man. They took a heart out of someone's body and they put it on ice and flew it toward you. And we actually, she has videoed the ice chest, you know, me into the room, and then the ice chest come following right afterwards. God, that's so crazy. It is crazy.

I mean, when I was a kid, it would be like Dr. Frankenstein. Yeah. They didn't start doing it until 68. And I was born in 59. Wow, they did heart transplants in 68? In 68, yeah. That was the first one. Yeah, 1968.

They've been doing it a long time. But when I was a kid, it would have been like Dr. Frankenstein. He told me something like that was possible. I would have said, oh, hell no. You're crazy. You're just making it up as science fiction. But it most certainly is possible. They think they're going to be able to grow your own heart.

Yeah. They're working on that right now, growing your own heart with stem cells. Yeah. And they're going to be able to grow your own heart. Yeah. They're working on that right now. Growing your own heart with stem cells. Yep. And you know, it's going to happen. Which is just crazy. Yep. It is going to happen.

I have no doubt. Yeah. They've already grew a woman's bladder. The woman had bladder cancer and they grew her a new bladder. Wow. Yeah. Replaced her bladder. Yep.

So the heart's coming. Yeah. It's coming, man. Yeah. They're already working on uh i think they're 3d see if you can find it jamie they're 3d printing a human heart and they think that they're going to be able to get to a point where they have a working model of a human heart like wow and and put your heart in your body a freshie Wow. And put your heart in your body, a freshie. Wow. Brand new one, which is just so crazy. That is crazy.

And how about for people who are amputees and things along those lines? So be able to replace limbs with your own limb. Actually grow you a limb. Isn't that something? Here it is. The first 3D printed heart made up of living human cells. Like, look at this. Yeah, man.

Thank God there's people smarter than us. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Look at that. That is a heart made by a Tel Aviv university. Wow. A heart the size of a rabbit marks the first time an entire heart has been 3D printed. So that's a tiny one right now, but complete with living cells, blood vessels, ventricles,

and chambers intact. Incredible. Oh my God. Incredible. That is incredible. Many heart can contract, but it can't yet pump out blood. So they're working on all those different variables, I guess. But man, isn't that incredible?

Look at that. That is so incredible. Doing it with a 3D printing machine. 3D printing machines freak me the fuck out. That's the future. They're going to be able to make things. Look at that. Look how that works. Folks who haven't seen this, this is What the Future.

It's on cnet.com. You can Google it and just watch the video of them actually creating this. It is unbelievably fascinating. So did you look at the heart before they put it in you? Did you get a chance to see it? No, no. No? I was out.

Yeah, I was out by that time. Yeah. Wow. No, didn't look at it. So you wake up. Mm-hmm. Lights come back on. Yep.

And... Doctor's there. Your wife's on. Yep. Doctor's there, your wife's there. Yep, doctor's there, my wife's there. And it was a new day. And I was like, I kind of wanted to say, I told you so. Yeah, that was the first thing that popped in my head. That's hilarious. I told you so. Yeah, that was the first thing that popped in my head. That's hilarious. I told you so. I told you so was a funny thing to say when you come back from a heart transplant.

Well, I mean, because you would be surprised at how many. That would be so funny, though, if you did say that. Yeah, I told you so. It was so many. I got so many people. And it was overwhelming support. But I got quite a few a few well too many for me uh messages at the end and i hope you don't make it i hope you die and yeah i wish we did already

you know stuff like that do you feel um sorry for those people now oh oh yeah most definitely now now i do you know instead of being angry yeah before before the surgery I was like you know choke the shit out of him but you know now man you gotta be what is your your existence

must be pretty pitiful for you to you know feel that much hate for somebody that you don't even know never even met I just can't stand Joe Rogan.

I hate him. I never met him. I never sat down. Yeah, there's no happy people that are doing that. No, man. It's so transparent. You got to be pretty, you know. Unbelievably miserable.

Miserable, just miserable. I'm going to follow Joe Rogan just so I can talk shit about him. I don't care. I wish Joe Rogan was off the air, but I'm following every word he says because I don't want to miss nothing that Joe Rogan has to say. But I hate him. Yeah. Makes no sense, man.

Well, it doesn't make sense, but a lot of people don't make sense. That's true. People live their lives in just very counterproductive ways, and they feel like as long as they've got something they're excited about, that they're doing something. Even if it's excited about hating you for no reason. I don't get it. Time is too precious to waste on hate. It's just foolish. It's a foolish way to exist.

Yeah. They can take livers and hearts and different organs from any nationality and switch them around. We're interchangeable, Joe. We are interchangeable, man. Well, we're all one thing. Yes. The only thing that separates us is the climate that we came from. That's it.

That's it. That's it. And so it makes racism so stupid. Well, everything's stupid. Tribalism is stupid across the board conservative versus liberal that's stupid southern versus northern that's stupid it's too yeah asian versus black it is white versus pakistani stupid it's so stupid so stupid that is we're all interchangeable dude we miss it we're all that. That right there shows that we're all one.

We wouldn't be interchangeable. No. It's this outer shit that's on top, this epidermis, this skin, this stuff that divides us. That's also what makes us interesting, too. That's what's so foolish about it it's like what's fascinating to me is that human beings came from every single spot on the earth and at one time they originated in africa and spread out all over the planet and adapted to each individual environment when you meet someone from ireland they're white like paper yeah that

shit's just because there's no sun exactly their body developed it's like a solar panel for vitamin d they're like we got to figure out how to get fucking vitamin d this black skin ain't cut there's no fucking sun out here yeah we don't need this melanin because we're not protecting ourselves from the sun anymore so they turn white just that's but they're the same exact thing they can take that guy from ireland guy from Africa, and this guy needs a part. Hey, let me switch it up. This gentleman here, Graham Hancock, was on my podcast last week, and he's a brilliant, brilliant guy. But he studies ancient civilizations and people. And one of the things that they're studying now is the various civilizations that we didn't even know existed that existed in south america like huge

multi-million size of population um civilizations in the amazon like 20 million people living in the amazon at one point in time they think they were wiped out by spanish explorers um and european explorers that came over gave them smallpox like the way they wiped out 90 of the native americans they think the same thing happened down there in the amazon it just they had huge cities down there that european settlers had reported on they were just wiped out but the point is that we were everywhere yeah and it's all one thing it's all human it is it's all human race that's it man and the funny thing about white people that are racist is that especially like i I have Neanderthal DNA that's more primitive than Homo sapien DNA. And it's only in white people.

Like, it's kind of funny that way, you know, because white racists, like they have to deal with the fact that only white people carry that Neanderthal shit in them. Yeah. And do you think that I don't think that they would find that a bad thing. The Neanderthal? Yeah, no. I think they'd be, hell yes. Oh, right. Yeah.

Well, they weren't smart enough to stick around for whatever reason. They don't even know why. They don't know if we outbred them or if we interbred with them or if we wiped them out. They don't even know. They're also finding new humans. There's a human they found in Russia called a – I think it's called Denisovan. Is that what he said? with them or if we wipe them out we don't even know they're also finding new humans there there's a human they found in russia called a dennis i think it's called dennis olivan is that what he said and they just found more bones of them in tibet so they know that these russian people

that was a totally distinct subspecies of human traveled traveled to tibet yeah and and neanderthals lived for half a million years so they were around way longer than we've only been around, I think, for a couple hundred thousand years. Right. Homo sapiens. Yeah. So they were around longer than us, like by a factor of somewhere around 300,000 years. Yeah. Yeah, all over the world, man.

What a crazy animal we are. We just travel everywhere and find a spot and adapt. That's right. We make it work. Yeah. Travel everywhere and find a spot and adapt. And that's right. We make it work. Stay in a community so you can help each other and live off each other and adapt. And unfortunately, that's where all tribalism comes from, too, that we have this tight-knit group and everybody else, fuck everybody else. It's us versus them.

And that's inside of us, you know. Wouldn't it be great? of us you know wouldn't it wouldn't it be um great and and and this is where i look i don't uh think that it's wrong if you're a italian guy i don't think it's wrong to be very proud of being italian i and if you're a polish guy i don't think it's uh wrong to be very proud of being post why can't i be proud or why can't you be proud of being whatever race you are? You can be proud of that. But does that mean that I have to hate another guy because he's not the race that I am? You can be proud of what you are and not hate another guy for being different than what you are. How about we give that a try?

Well, I think the feeling that you got from this second chance on life, this beautiful feeling of appreciation and celebration of this existence, that's what we need to try to foster in people. We need to try to let people know this is a temporary thing, man. If you're lucky, like we were talking about 100 years. If you're lucky, you get to 100 years.'m 51 i'm halfway there right if i'm lucky if everything works out perfect and it probably isn't let's be honest i beat the shit out of my body right so it's probably not gonna make you want to make it to be 100 too i'll see what's up yeah i do because i i'm a i'm a science nerd i'm i'm fascinated by all these 3D printed hearts and all this shit. I want to see what the fuck they can do.

I really think, and talking to guys like David Sinclair and all these anti-aging specialists, I think they're on the verge of being able to reverse aging. They're treating aging like it's a disease, like it's a disease at the cellular level. Instead of accepting it and that like, well, you get older, hey, you're going to have to accept you can't do as much, your body's not going to work as well. Why? Maybe that's not the case. Maybe if they can correct certain things about the human body, maybe they can correct that. And I think it's very likely that in the future, I don't think that's an insurmountable situation. I think they're going to be able to correct what happens

to your body when it ages. The deterioration that's caused by the aging process your body produces less hormones your body starts to slow down alzheimer's all these different things i think they're going to be able to correct those things wow the problem with that is then what you're gonna live forever you're gonna be happy living forever like what if when you die it's amazing what if Are you going to live forever? Are you going to be happy living forever? Like what if when you die, it's amazing? What if when you die, there really is a heaven? You really do go to some spectacular dimension filled with love and peace and happiness and there's no emotions like we think about here.

There's no fear. There's none of the things that hold people back, none of the anxiety and the angst. It's just consciousness and love. And then you're wasting your time here just trying to stay alive, taking pills to live to be a million. Boy, you open a big-ass shadow of a doubt none whatsoever death is not the end you don't think so i know i know joe how do you know because i've been dead right yes i've been dead what what about that experience cemented it in your head um when i like i said it was the most peaceful

um and and i i don't feel like it was the most peace most restful most i was i woke up laughing laughing. I was, yeah. I was overjoyed. You woke up laughing? Yeah, I was overjoyed. Do you remember anything about what happened when you blacked out? The time was extremely peaceful. I didn't

have a worry. And I was not sad at all. I was overjoy a worry, extremely. And I was not sad at all. You know, I was overjoyed, very happy, very peaceful. And it erased any fear that I might have had. And any fear of dying is gone. I don't fear death at all. And so maybe that's why I don't want to live to be 100.

Because, I mean, I wouldn't mind visiting that place again, man. It was so much peace, so much. And it wasn't like, you know, this is, you know, I'm just in the ground. And I'm not a plant uh just dirt you know i know that i'm in a very comfortable place and and you know i wouldn't mind visiting again i wouldn't mind so i'm definitely i hold no fear and so when i say that it's it's definitely not the end. I believe that your soul, you know, people have a different name for it, consciousness or whatever, is definitely eternal. And because how else could you have these feelings or emotions or, you know, have that sort of comfort, the feeling of comfort and being in the right place if something didn't continue. Because my life, my life was gone.

The essence of life, my body was, you know, gone. It was gone, flatline, dead, whatever. I told my doctor that I died, and he said, no, actually, it's called some kind of pause or some shit like that. And I said, look, if the pause lasted, doc, I wouldn't be talking to you right now. So I go, okay, you call it a pause. I go, well, during that pause, I was dead. So it was a wonderful feeling. I think with a guy like you that's so physical and you've been so physical your whole life,

the big fear is to not be able to take care of yourself or move. That's what we're talking about when you talk about being 100 like having someone wipe your ass and take care of you like that's the big fear it's not death death is just peaceful it's the end but the big fear is the deterioration of the physical body to the point where it's just painful everything's painful You can't go anywhere. You can't count on yourself. Yeah, it's it's very peaceful, but I definitely don't think it's the end. I think it's the over into the other side. And that is definite assurance that it's not the end and that there is something else on the other side.

I have that assurance is able to peek in, just peek into it. Well, I think we all have this feeling that we are something other than our body. Most definitely. I mean, I have that feeling. Like I feel like there's like a little ball of energy in there that moves this thing around well you're right but that's what it feels like it always feels like that yeah that's what i i've always rejected the label atheist like people say are you religious i'm like i was when i was a little kid i had to go to catholic school and i you know i did all that jazz but my parents when i grew up were hippies after that my mom split up from my dad my mom shacked up with my

stepfather who's a he's a hippie and there was no no church after that but i'm not an atheist i'm not i don't know like i don't believe anybody that says they know what life is or what life means or what happens when you die, I want to hear your opinions. I want to hear your thoughts. But you don't know. And anybody that says they know what happens when they die, I know what happens when I die. It'll be black and cold, and that is the end. And just like there was nothing before, there'll be nothing at the end. I'm like, you don't know that.

You're just saying that. There is no God. How do you say that? How do you say that? Well, one day, what if you stand in front of God or in God's presence in some non-physical form, and then you're weeping in your arrogance and stating that there's no higher power? Like it might be the universe itself might be God. I mean, we don't know anything

you we are strange little monkey people living on this fucking planet making things that alter our environment moving around driving flying talking to each other talking shit but at the end of the day you're only aware of what you've experienced right and when you don't know that's like when people have i've talked to several friends that have had near-death experiences. A very good friend of mine, she was in a car accident, and she had a very similar thing where she said it was so peaceful. Yeah. She said, you know, they got, I think they got rear-ended and like really banged up. And when it felt like she was going to die she felt so peaceful it's so true

i think a lot of people that uh have come that close to dying uh are a lot of them are going to say the same thing that they have no fear of death anymore it's it's erased and uh you you but you also have the feeling that you know that this existence on Earth, when your physical body dies, is definitely not the end. The way she describes it is exactly the way you do it. She's my manager. And I talk to her all the time. The way she describes things is essentially exactly how you did. It's just so peaceful.

Oh, man. It just felt peaceful. Yeah. So peaceful. Just felt, just felt peaceful. Yeah. But not, you know,

like, like people who don't believe in that. You're, by the way, let me, let me say, I'm not religious either. Yeah.

I was raised super religious in a super religious home by a, a Pentecostal, a heaven or hell brimstone, fire and brimstone preacher. Did they do the tongues? Oh, yes. Oh, that's hilarious. That's my favorite. And speaking in tongues, everything, everything.

Wow. Everything was a sin also. Everything. Oh, dancing. Dancing was a sin? Listening to rock and roll music. Whoa. Oh, yeah.

Everything was a sin listening to rock and roll music whoa yeah oh yeah everything was a sin so I think that's really what drove me away from being a religious person yeah I'm definitely not I always say I'm a man of faith I have a tremendous amount of faith

but faith and religion are two different things a lot of people confuse them yeah and they talk about them as being the same but they are definitely not. Religion is man-made.

And, you know, a set of rules. And man says, okay, we're going to be this. And if you want to be this religion, then you're going to have to go by these rules. Yeah. And it's all man-made. But faith is not man-made. And so I'm a tremendous man of faith, but not religion. Yeah.

Some would say that, like, you're a spiritual person. That's, like, a thing that gets thrown around today. Like, I'm not religious, but I'm a tremendous man of faith, but not religious. Yeah, some would say that you're a spiritual person. That's a thing that gets thrown around today. I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual. People say that a lot. What does that mean? No one really knows. It's a strange sort of definition, but I feel what you're saying. There's something more to this.

There's something more to this than just tissue and bone and blood moving on this rock that's traveling through the universe there's something more there's something there's something there's some and maybe it's just something more for us but the the beauty of friendship and love and family like those things are intense beautiful emotional experiences that i i don't i don't know They seem to transcend just regular life itself. They seem to have, there's a higher power to them, a higher beauty to them. I think that's one of the things that we like when we see people doing something really great. We love seeing people accomplish things because we love, we like seeing people succeed. We like seeing people like that have doubts and something almost insurmountable and incredibly difficult in front of them, and then they overcome.

And it gives us all hope, and it gives us all this inspiration, this feeling. We're connected in some sort of very, very strange way that I think you could just chalk it up. Oh, that's just camaraderie. We needed that because of evolution. That's how we stayed alive. Like, maybe, maybe. But maybe there's something else maybe that whatever this consciousness is that's totally not no one has ever defined consciousness and there's certain people that think that it occurs only in the brain

and the neurons and the synapses and it might or that might just be an antenna i mean consciousness might very well be you are using your physical tissue to tune in to whatever this this thing that we share is this life force that we all seem to share and when when there's other things like looking in someone's eyes man like when when you know someone's like there for you and you know you're there for them like that camaraderie that intense camaraderie, it's like that expression, the windows to the soul, that the eyes are the windows to the soul. It really does seem like that, right? Like you see people.

You see them. Like the Avatar lady said, I see you. Yeah, and you can, it's, being able to look into somebody's eyes, you can tell. A lot. You can tell if they're bullshit yes they're full of shit or not man or if they feel weird about something yeah insecure maybe they feel like maybe this isn't a smart thing or maybe maybe maybe i should have done better by you or yeah maybe i fucked you over yeah yeah you can tell that and i uh i i told you the first first time i had the uh open heart

surgery and flatlined three times during that surgery i also had an experience um that also strengthens my belief in there being something after the body dies, a vision or whatever you want to call it. I was able to see my mother who had passed away the year before. And, you know, I say I see my mother. I didn't see her face. I just heard a voice and I knew it was her. And she was, you know, pleading to, I say, God, a lot of people may say, you know, what, whatever they look up to. And I ain't got no problem with that. I don't think that because people don't believe exactly like I believe that they're doomed and they're going to hell.

Although that was the way I was raised. If you don't believe like this, I mean, all Catholics, according to my dad, all Catholics were just lost. They're not going to make it because they don't believe. They believe the wrong shit. They don't believe the right shit. So, of course, they're not going to make it.

What about Jews? They fucked up too? Yeah. If you don't believe like this. Muslims? Fucked up. Just lost, man. Mormons? Fucked up. Oh, man, you're lost. Scientologists really fucked up too? Yeah, if you don't believe like this. Muslims fucked up. Oh, just lost, man.

Mormons fucked up. Oh, man, you're lost. Scientologists really fucked up. Oh, you're especially

lost. That's how they felt. Yeah, that's how they felt. That's how I was taught. And I just, you know,

I don't believe that. You got this, my dad was, some people, my dad thought that he could walk on water, he could do no wrong. And it's the same guy that, you know, break my nose and send me to the fucking emergency room and kick my, and my mom was a slave. And that was perfectly fine with him.

And also, this was a guy that was fucking women in the church. But, if you don't believe like i believe you're going to hell yeah people have a remarkable ability to be hypocrites yeah they're super souls and i've seen that so much from super religious people sure that it just turned me off yeah from being a religious person well i think a lot of what it is is control people want to control other people they want to be able to tell people what to do and when to do it and it gives them some power in their own life by doing so yeah yeah and i'm man i just uh you know it destroyed my uh faith and just super you know people are in church every Sunday, every Tuesday. We went to church three times a week.

Three times a week? Three times a week. Every Tuesday, every Friday, and every Sunday. In church, man. In church. I mean, during the Watts riots, I'm a little kid. We went to church. Wow.

Yeah. The soldiers, the National Guard on the streets, they pulled my dad over. I'm a little kid in the back seat. Where are you going? I'm going to church. And I'm like, fuck, these guys, there's tanks on the street. This guy's got a fucking M16. And my dad's like, we're going to church.

And I'm like, fuck, could you leave us at home? Could you leave me and my brother? I'm like, could we leave? I don't want to be at home looking at fucking Heckel and J cartoons man i don't fucking be out here guys got oh man but we went to church man so he was super dedicated you know to you know part of him was super dedicated to what he believed and then um you know you go over sister's Sister Sally's house to give her a consultation. And I'm looking in the room. Her bedroom door is open.

And there's my dad with his fucking T-shirt on. Sister Sally's in her slip and shit. And I guess me and my brother were there to be his scapegoat or, you know, his excuse to my mom. You know, if I take them, then, you know, nothing could be going on wrong. I'm like, I still remember that shit. I'm like, fuck, what kind of consultation is he doing? Like, come on, man. I think right now we're experiencing some of the most insidious aspects of religion in the people attacking people while they're worshiping. Yeah.

You know, Muslims attacking Christians and Christians attacking Muslims. And it's like in synagogues and Christians attacking Jews. they're worshiping yeah you know muslims attacking christians and christians attacking muslims and it's like in synagogues and christians attacking jews i mean the whole thing is so insane attacking people while they're worshiping it is insane it's almost this sign of how fucked up things are right now that this is something that's happening on a regular basis now in the name of religion I mean doesn't I mean what kind of religion would you know say this is okay I mean aren't we supposed to love our neighbor as myself I mean the the Christchurch one you could not you could it's hard to even say that that was about religion there's more about bigotry and racism than anything. Right? And then the response to that is what you're seeing

in Sri Lanka and, you know, people blowing people up in churches and synagogues. It's just, it's insane. It's just, we've reached this very critical moment

in our society and just civilization in general where people are attacking people for things that they believe in yeah which is just it's one of the most insane things to attack people on you're not attacking people because they're aggressive because they're coming towards you they're trying to take away your your resources or harm your family no no no they believe the wrong shit yeah which i'm gonna kill them. They don't believe like I believe. Kill hundreds of them.

Yeah. Crazy. So I'm going to kill them. It's insanity. I mean, it doesn't do. And I don't know how to fix it. I thought the overriding principle of most every religion is love. Yeah.

I thought it was supposed to be love. I thought all of them taught love. Isn't that the overriding principle of religion? Your religion doesn't teach you to love people. If your religion teaches you to hate people, to go out and kill people, then something's fucked up. Yeah. It's supposed to be reinforcing this idea of of community of that you're all together working towards a goal something's wrong yeah it's uh i mean it's so i

mean there's so many issues right there's so many issues with uh with poverty with crime with all these different things in this world today but but the religion issue and the hatred, hatred of other people's religions has got to be one of the strangest aspects of our community or our cultures. It's so crazy, man. Man, I just want to do everything that I possibly can do.

And I'm just a little guy from Compton. Nobody knows me. Who the fuck is C.T. Fletcher? Ain't nobody. But whatever I can possibly do to try to bring people together, man. Just come together and lobby. I'm just saying we're all the same under the bar. That's my equivalent of trying to bring people in a weightlifting.

Jiu-Jitsu says a similar thing. We're all brothers and sisters on the mats. that's exactly what it is yeah but that's that's a thing sometimes you know when someone has like this common struggle like like you find out a lot about someone when you lift with them right oh yeah when you know they can do 10 and they start bitching out at seven yeah like come on bro that's right yeah still you're sick come on i mean that's that's similar in i mean marathon runners have that sort of camaraderie that feeling like if someone can can actually complete marathons and then ultra marathons do you have the goods doesn't no one gives a fuck if you're chinese or black or a girl or a boy you're a bad motherfucker or you are not

yeah if you are not you should work towards becoming one yeah i mean that's same with mma right yeah that's martial arts in general i mean it's all about a vehicle for developing your human potential i've always said that one of the best ways to stop bullying and stop all this and it sounds counterproductive and counterintuitive but they stop bullying teach kids how to fight they won't fight they won't do that man i mean and the ones who are the strongest they won't they won't have this need to impose on people they don't that doesn't exist in jujitsu the way it exists in in in kids yeah because kids are insecure and they they have this weapon being bigger or being meaner or being more aggressive

and scaring kids. And they, they see someone intimidated and they can't help themselves because they don't have any guidance. They don't have, they don't, no one's taught them the proper way to behave and think. And then no one's taught them the consequences of that shitty behavior and

thinking they just get away with it. They do it. And they don't think that it's hurting anybody or they don't, they don't care. They don't feel it yet. They're just numb to it. They're not, they're not, they haven't haven't been taught no they have not been taught this is this is the way that i can stand out yeah and a lot of it is because like they need a real cause

they need a real cause something real to work towards instead of like looking for conflict and some fucking kid who's looking at you at the bus stop weird yeah look for find real conflict find something that you could really work towards and you'll feel better about yourself and you'll feel better about the way you communicate with other people it's one of the reasons why a lot of people talk about jujitsu like it's a religion and in some ways i think it kind of is because you learn not in the bad ways but in the good ways that you learn, not in the bad ways, but in the good ways, that you learn this sense of community through struggle. I think the same thing could be said for weightlifters, too, right? Yeah, no. There's a bond you guys have.

Oh, man. And it translates. It's so many MMA guys that have come to the gym that I train, I've worked out. And it's so relatable the weightlifting world the fighting world except you're not getting bust upside the head

when you're in the gym but that struggle though yeah the struggle like I saw when you trained Tyron Woodley oh man

same sort of struggle yeah and he's another dude that looks like he's on steroids yeah but he's not just naturally he got that fucking beautiful roll of the dice yep a genetic roll of the dice that's exactly right and by the way tyron if you're listening you have not been back and i would like for you to come back you can't to do the type of fighting that

he does though you can't really lift the way you had him lift all the time. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. It would just be incorporation. Most fighters just use weightlifting as a tool. Yeah. And just when they come, they want to test themselves when they come and train with me. See what's up. Yeah.

One time. I just want to see what I can do. If I can take it. If I can take it or not. It's still your motherfucking set. No matter what. No matter what, Joe. And those guys do really well because it's so much mental involved in it.

And the minds are tough. The MMA guys' minds are tough and they do real well. No, you don't get tougher. You just get different. You just get different. Like I said about ultramarathon runners or anybody who does anything that's extremely grueling and brutal, you don't get tougher. You just find a different path for that sort of toughness. And it always leads through the mind.

That path always leads through the mind. Yeah path always leads through the mind, man. Yeah, that whole expression that idle hands are the devil's playthings, that's so true. That's so goddamn true. People need something. They need a cause. They need a struggle. They need something hard. They need something difficult to define themselves through.

They get scattered and insecure and crazy, but through that struggle, you gain confidence and character. You know who you are. You know who you are, man. You could pull off a workout with C.T. Fletcher. At the end of that fucking workout, you're sitting there on that bench drinking water. You know who the fuck you are. You did it. Yeah, I did it.

People need to know that they did it. People need that. They need I did it. You need I did it all the time. You need I did it like five days to know that they did it. Yeah. People need that. They need I did it. You need I did it all the time. You need I did it like five days a week. It's true. If I take a couple days off, I feel like, man, I got to go do something. Yeah, I do.

I don't. Yeah. You feel bad. Yeah. You feel bad. I still want Joe to show me how to kick. I can show you how, man. Not now.

We'll do it slow. Yeah, let me recover a little more. Yeah. Well, the good thing is the best way to learn is slow oh well i'm ready yeah i'll be real slow yeah the people the real problem with strong people is that they want to put their strength into it you know and you know you want to like really just fucking grunt yeah the best it's hard for strong dudes to learn how to kick properly. It really is. Well, it's a perfect time for me to learn. Yeah.

Because they put so much grunt into everything. Oftentimes they're not pivoting so they put too much pressure on their leg. They want to pop on their knee. Yeah. I mean there's a lot of shit going on. I seen you kicking, man. I said, God damn. Joe's

got some of the meanest kicks I have ever seen from anybody. I'm like, shit, Joe. I didn't know you could kick that fucking hard, man. It's a funny thing. There's a guy named John Donahue who's a jujitsu genius. And he came to me once. And it turned out he actually knew, but he was playing it off like he didn't know. He was telling me that he wanted George St. Pierrere who's the winter weight champion you know i know

they wanted him to get some coaching on his uh spinning back kick there was like uh he's he thinks the fundamentals are a little bit off do you know anybody and i was like all right this is gonna sound crazy i know i'm a comedian and i know i'm just a commentator but i i have a really good spinning back kick i'm like i could show you how to do it and i could show you as good as any human being that's ever lived i'm like i could show you how to do that that was my shit i mean but when i was a kid man i you know it's hard for me to even talk about it now because it seems like a different life, like a different person. From the time I was 15 until I was 21, I was obsessed.

I trained all day, every day. I mean, that's what I did. I basically lived there. So that's where I developed all that. Obsession. They say it's a bad word. I don't think so. No.

I don't think it's a bad word. Define my life. Yeah. If it's a bad life, i don't think so no define my life yeah if it's a bad life you know i mean i've had a good life i've had a good life through obsession eggs damn yeah coin that phrase i'm also had a good life i'm careful with that shit like a bad dog i keep that motherfucker on a leash and i keep it away from the wrong people yeah i mean joe's got some good sayings you have to be careful like jamie knows we've been having problems with this goddamn quake game we play play uh this video games first person shooter called quake and i have a real problem i get obsessed with things where i want to play all day long i want to play fucking eight ten hours a day i can't i don't allow myself to but that's the same thing it's the same thing that got me into martial arts when i was a kid

i have a fucked up brain but it's fucked up in a good it's it as long as i know how to guide it as long as the the manager's in the building the manager is me right now going hey settle the fuck down all right you got shit to do you got a family you got stuff to do you can't just go run off and decide you're going to be a professional this or a professional that because that's what my brain wants to do my brain wants to find something and go what's what's this thing okay let's be the best in the world we're going to be the best in the world at this this is every day you're going to wake up and they're like hey hey hey hey, hey, hey, hey. I got to pay taxes. I got shit I got to do. You know, I fucking love that, Joe, because you are not alone. No, there's a bunch of us out there. Yeah, it is a bunch.

And a whole lot of them are in the UFC. Yeah. There's a whole lot of them out there in jobs right now. Yeah. Going crazy. Yeah. Going crazy, like tapping their fingers on the desk. Just can't wait to get at what the fuck they want to do when they get off work.

Ain't that something? It is something. I've been fucking 28 years at the post office, man. on the desk just can't wait to get at what the fuck they want to do when they get off work ain't that something I spent fucking 28 years at the post office man I hated every fucking day

yeah I couldn't wait to get off and you know go do what I really wanted to do man it's a lot of people

out there listening that have that same feeling oh man punching the clock every day and they fucking hate it

you're not alone trust me I hated it for 28 years yeah I hated it whenever I had a job Man, punching the clock every day, and they fucking hate it. They hate it. You're not alone. You're not alone. Trust me. I hated it for 28 years. Yeah, I hated it whenever I had a job. Whatever job I had, I fucking hated it. And I had a bunch of part-time bullshit jobs because I wouldn't take a real job on because I was so scared that if I had a real 9 to 5 and then started getting a career and then had a family and got married, I'd be trapped. Yeah.

Trapped. That was me. I was definitely trapped had kids at home they had to eat so yeah nothing you gotta i mean and then you you take that time when you get off and that's your obsession time then yeah and there's a lot of people that live that life you know and what i've always tell people is before you have all those other things a mortgage and family and all that other stuff damn dude funnel that energy into you into what you like you could live a a wonderful existence and a charmed life if you could do what i mean whatever it is what

you like making knives or fucking painting whatever the fuck you like to do if that's your thing and you think about it all the time god damn you gotta find a way to do that yep that is your call oh most definitely excellent advice from joe rogan he is so so right man and before you get you know the wife the kids the mortgage is in your trap yeah but but the mind everyone's mind is so different you know there's some people that they don't have that obsessed mind. Their mind is like they're better off like, you know, running a country store somewhere. Just being real friendly to people that come in and being a baker and making good food for folks. That's their thing. That's their calling.

And that, you know, that's perfectly fine. It's the people, you know, people that annoy the fuck out of me. I love you, but you annoy the fuck out of me is people that have no ambition, no drive whatsoever. I'm just happy not doing shit. I always wonder about that. Damn, that bugs me. I always wonder, what if I got them when they were little? What if I got a hold of them when they were little and just introduced them to exciting things and rewarded them when they did well and high-fived them and hugged them.

You know what I mean? It could possibly change. Yeah. It could possibly change. Reinforcement of positive goals and reinforcement of positive experiences. I think there's some people that just they never got any of that and everything was just work and just drudgery. And they'd rather just lay around because that is the alternative to work and drudgery. Wow.

I gave a speech and I'm talking about obsession and being driven and all this. And, you know, one of the questions after this guy was asking me, so what if, you know, what if you don't want to do anything? You don't have any goals or obsessions. Could you tell me how to get one? And I was like, fuck. How do I tell this motherfucker? He wanted one. He said he wanted one.

I want to find a goal or something, but I don't know you. I don't know you. I don't know you. I don't know. It's the first time I ever met you, and you're asking me how to give you an obsession or make it give you. And the only thing I can tell you is find something. Do you have anything that you love? Is there anything that you love, anything that you like? Then, you know, start there, dude.

Yeah. Start there. Anything that you love, anything that you like, then start there, dude. Yeah. But if the person looks back at you and says, no, not really, then I'm like, fuck this dude. It's irking the fuck out of me. What do you mean it's irking? You don't have any fucking thing that you really— Nothing? Nothing comes up. I know.

What? There's some people that have nothing. Yeah. Some people, it is nothing. It is up. I know. To some people that have nothing. Yeah. Some people, it is nothing. There is nothing. Absolutely. I love you guys, but you bug the fuck out of me, man. Bug the fuck out of me.

You don't have a cause, a goal, or nothing that really excites you, that you really want to make a difference. You're happy being blasé and fucking average. I just want to be a cog, man. I just want to be a fucking cog. Do you think that the world needs cogs? Do you think that some people, like here's a thought, like not everybody could be a fucking psychopath right not not everybody could be obsessed by things the world would be too insane and regular stuff would never get done right right you and i aren't

getting regular shit done no you know but how about being the best fucking cog there is right i'm gonna be the best fucking cog there is man i'm I'm going to support the fuck out of Joe Rogan. I don't know, man. I don't know what people – I don't – I would like to – and I think one day we're going to probably be able to experience this through technology. I would like to know how people think. Like I would like to know like what is going on in someone's head when they experience – like sometimes things will happen to you in life and you're just in the worst possible state of mind when it happens.

And sometimes it's the best possible state of mind. And sometimes when it's the best possible state of mind, something that should be like catastrophic, like, eh, it'll be all right. You know, like the person who did it to you, you're like, look, man, I know you didn't mean to do it. It's all right. Don't worry about it. Take it easy.

And then you just drop it and you like feel good about it and then other times like fuck that guy i'm gonna fucking kill that guy and it's all like it's all in like how are you wired that day like what what's how are you coming into it you're coming into this with a lot of stress you got a lot of other bullshit piling up in your life or you're coming into this fresh off a heart transplant where you feel love for the world and you and you have like a newfound enlightenment where you realize that this is all bullshit all this nonsense and fighting and arguing for nothing like why why you do you enjoy relax appreciate don't matter just think that's serious and have passion for your existence and what you enjoy, what you truly love, and your friends and camaraderie and fellowship. That's what it's all about.

Yeah, and I think they got a whole field of psychologists and psychiatrists. That's their field. That's their field. And some of the worst, some of the most mentally challenged people I've ever met were psychiatrists. I'm like, what the fuck, man? I have a theory about that. I have a theory about that. I have a theory about that that's very similar to my theory about cops. I have a deep respect for cops.

Me too. And I think it's an insanely difficult job. My same feeling i have for soldiers like you cannot expect someone to just do that with no guidance and no no you you have to have an appreciation for the stress they go through every time a cop pulls somebody over this might be the last moment of their life every time they come to that window and it's tinted and they don't know who the fuck is in there what kind of warrant that guy might have they don't have any idea And we've all seen videos online of cops getting shot and people getting killed it fucking happens

And they're everyone they're dealing with is lying to them everyone they're dealing with is If you're a psychiatrist Every day you're dealing with people who are fucked every day everyone's fucked up everyone's and some some of their fucked up is nonsense and you just want to grab them and shake them by the collar and get your fucking shit together man yeah the fuck is wrong with you come on you know there's something wrong stop doing what you're doing stupid but you can't even say that so you have to go so mike um uh go, so Mike, you're still getting tied up by that woman and she still kicks you in the balls. It's crazy shit that people are into.

Imagine every day you're showing up and everyone's nuts. Everyone you work with. Yep. I'm very fortunate. I show up here. I get to talk to nice people like you. I hang out with great people like Jamie. Everyone's fun here.

It's all nice. My experiences on a daily basis are very Mostly positive I go to the comedy store Hang out with comedians I do jiu-jitsu Hang out with jiu-jitsu guys It's a fun experience These are good experiences

Psychiatrists are just dealing with crazy fucks all day long That's their chosen field Fuck To deal with nuts When I was When I was briefly in college One of the things that I was concentrating on was psychology because I was trying to find out what, like, I knew there was times when I fought and I was very confident and I knew there was times that I fought that I was a nervous wreck.

And I was like, why, what is that feeling of nerves where you're scared? It's very compromising. It fucks with your performance. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, look you you might get hit you might lose you this could happen but to dwell on that is crippling like you got to be able to accept those consequences but you also have to not dwell so you have to be zen and so i

was reading a lot of psychology books and philosophy books a lot of samurai books and um but one thing i realized in talking to people that were like psychologists or psychology majors like you're dealing with fucked up people yeah all the time especially psychiatrists oh and then they're prescribing them drugs like here you go get out of here take this my best buddy my best buddy's a psychologist it's crazy man he was he was crazy yeah very nice guy but it's crazy i think you get crazy yeah i think you get crazy dealing with all those people all the time too man yeah i mean if your day is blocked off you have your secretary and then you got patients all day long that are out of their fucking mind yeah very good point it's a terrible diet yeah? But, you know, I don't know if you knew, but I used to do tournament fighting.

Karate style, right? Yeah, yeah. And the reason, what discouraged me or made me know that I didn't want to be a fighter is just what you described. The anxiety? Oh. Yeah. It was paralyzing. It was paralyzing.

Yeah. It was paralyzing. It was paralyzing. Yeah. I mean, I'd be frozen. And it's so crazy. I mean, the last tournament was with Ed Parker's International Karate Championships in Long Beach, California. And I remember they'd fight until my feet were stuck. And I was a Taekwondo black belt. But my feet were frozen to the fucking mat.

I couldn't lift them. My legs weighed 1,000 pounds each, man. I was so paralyzed because all these people. All these people were around. And I was so afraid that I was going to do something to embarrass myself. And I'm like, oh, my God, everybody's looking. And, you know, it's a bunch of matches going on at the same time. Yeah. But it felt like everybody was looking at me.

And I'm like, man, they're going to watch me do something. My technique's going to be wrong. I'm just going to fuck up in front of them. And the fear was paralyzed. And I'm like, you know, I can't fucking do this. I'm not cut out to be a fighter, man. I just can't. The pressure just kicked my ass.

It's a hard thing to overcome. Oh, my God. It's hard to sort your way through it. And what's really hard for a lot of fighters is coming back from a loss. Oh, yeah. They get beat up and smashed, and then they have to come back and figure out a way through you know and

especially a devastating loss of course he's serious but a devastating loss do you know who Raymond Daniels is of course the GOAT did you see his fight

this past weekend unbelievable did you see that 720 degree punch I mean so go to Bellator find that clip man

I left for we won't be able to show it right yeah I can show you guys again. Yeah, just show us. For folks who don't know, one of the reasons I brought up Raymond Daniels is Raymond Daniels, he's a Bellator kickboxing champion now. He lost in devastating fashion to Nikki Holtzkin, who's another world champion,

and also to Joseph Valtellini, who's another world champion. So when he was making the transition from karate champion to kickboxing champion, he had some stumbling. Yeah. It didn't go 100% smooth. Right. But that guy's got an iron will. Man, stunt coordinators in movies.

Here it is. Watch this. Look at Raymond Daniels' highlights. Look at that. That's fucking unbelievable. It's fucking crazy. He went for a 360 roundhouse kick. The dude wasn't there.

And then he continued to spin further. And then boom. I mean, that is insane. That is such an insane. And to land a punch at the end of that. I mean, that is so bananas. And he landed a spinning back kick to the body right before that too yeah i mean he did a thing find the thing he did in um in in uh glory he did a jumping side

kick spinning back kick combination where he touched him he touched him with the front leg and then spun in the air and spinning back there it is right here yeah I mean this is fucking crazy yeah he oh here watch how he does this

let this go here it goes watch he touches up tap bang I mean that is movie shit

and to do that to a world class kickboxer like that that's what I'm saying I mean the movie stunt coordinators are looking at his highlights

to come up with you know fight scenes this dude he does stuff that they don't even do in the movies in a real fight yeah

yeah I'm like man he's hard to handle he I gave a a pep talk or speech to a group of fighters

and he was in the group that came out and I got a friend i got the meat i'm like man i don't know it's a fan a fan boy big time oh ray mcdaniel's ray mcdaniel he's a bad motherfucker oh he's bad i love watching those guys and like guys like michael venom page who's another one who has those karate skills but then they're learning all the the skills of mma yeah and then you see like, if you don't know that karate style,

and he knows MMA, like, you're kind of fucked. Oh, yeah. Because they do shit that's, like, outlandish. Yeah. Like, you know Venom Page, right? Yeah, yeah. That guy does outlandish shit, man. Shit is ridiculous.

And he's so long, too, and his timing and movement is so unpredictable, and he can sprint at you, and you don't even, like, All of a sudden, bang, he's punching you in the face. You saw that knockout when he knocked out Cyborg and caved his head in with that knee? Dude caved a man's head in? Yes. I've seen thousands of fights. I never saw a man get his head caved in, ever. Ain't no hardy skull.

Look at his forehead. Oh, man. Look at his skull. His head is pushed in i mean man that was is that the video above it does that show the actual knockout right no that's not it yeah that is it yeah that is why i need all that was i mean but look how he fights two hands down boom i mean that is crazy if you know how tough that guy is to see him riding in agony like that i remember his fight with uh it was one of the best mma fights ever the real muscular guy he's real muscular cyborg yeah no yeah cyborg had a fight with this this another oh he's he's kind of on the the downhill now but at one time he was like the mike tyson of mma he's kind of on the downhill now, but at one time, he was like the Mike Tyson of MMA. He's built.

I know you know who I'm talking about. Melvin Manhoof? Yes. I knew you knew. Did you see Cyborg and Manhoof? I did see that fight. Was that a fight? That was chaos.

Yeah, Melvin is a motherfucker, man. He's another one, man. Man. Yeah, came from that. He's he comes from um mike's gym in holland which is a famous kickboxing gym for savages just yeah just war yeah well the young a young man was a fucking yeah yeah there it is oh there it is and melvin is built like a fucking he was another one. Unbelievable power and speed when he was in his prime.

But he's not the same anymore. You're right. He's been through so many wars. But man, that dude was super bad. And he always wore those gladiator trunks too. Yeah. He was a beast, man. One of my favorites.

He was a beast. But that showed you how tough Cyborg was. Yeah. That was a war. That was in Cage Warriors, I think. Man, that was a war. Yeah. That was a war. That was in Cage Warriors, I think. Man, that was a war. Yeah. Yeah, man,

I've had the privilege of watching so many great fighters fight. It's interesting to watch all the different styles and all the, but the thing that they all have, all the great ones have,

they have this unstoppable belief in themselves. Oh, yeah. Even if they lose, they just, they learn. They lose, they learn, they come back, they get better.

One of my favorite interviews was Hoist Gracie. And, man, his mentality. He says, you know, I make no plans for after the fight. Like, fuck, I love these guys. These guys are fucking nuts. I love them. You're ready to die. He's not saying that.

He said, I see guys now talking about the after party and meet me over here. I said, no, no, no. I am prepared to die in the octagon. I'm like, hell yeah. I was eating that shit up, Joe. Because I was prepared to die on the weightlifting platform. The doc says, hey, if you go CT, your aortic valve could burst right there on stage. You die in front of all those people.

Good. Good. That's the way I want to go, doc. That's how you have to be. If you want real greatness, you have to be able to give it all away. But to find somebody else that's that crazy, too. I was like, man, I thought I was the only one. Did you see the middleweight championship fight between Calvin Gaslam and Israel Adesanya?

Stylebender, did you see that fight? Of course. Right before the fifth round. It was a close fight, and Stylebender came out and just destroyed in the fifth round. But right before that, he said, I'm ready to die. Yes, I heard that. He said it like you see it. I heard that, yes. He's looking at him and said, I'm ready to die. Yes, I heard that. He said it like you see it. I heard that, yes.

He's looking at him and goes, I'm ready to die. I heard that, man. You know that. Oh, man. Woo. Yeah. Woo.

I was like, yes. That was one of those just unbelievable moments. And I love Kevin. Kelvin. I love Kelvin. He's a beast, man. It was a great fight.

He was also at the speech that I gave him. R.D. Goat, Kelvin was there. He's a young guy, man. Yeah. He's still beast, man. It was a great fight. He was also at the speech that I gave him. R.D. Gold, Kelvin was there. He's a young guy, man. Yeah. He's still a young guy. And he's got a ton of heart, man. And he really should be fighting at 170, honestly.

Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he fought at 170. He just, he likes to eat. Hell of a lot. Hell of a heart. I love that guy, man.

Kelvin, if you listen, I love you, man. Kelvin's a beast. Yeah. He's not even near his full potential yet i don't think uh stylebender is either oh no he's still a young guy yeah i mean stylebender is better now than he was in his first fight in the ufc which is only about 16 months ago yeah he's better now he's trouble for anybody man he's an assassin that guy has um he's probably the most technical striker that's ever fought in the ufc so technical i but um okay let me ask you about this i heard a rumor of him and john jones no no no they're just talking shit to each other oh yeah um john was talking shit about him and he was talking shit about john you know that maybe they'll fight john is way bigger john's a big man yes i know yeah and he's a bad motherfucker well so stylebender man i

mean maybe one day they could fight but john i think john's future is in heavyweight i really do i think john is going to clean out the light heavyweight division and then move up and i think he's probably going to try to catch DC before DC steps out because DC is going to fight against Steve Bamiocic. They're going to have a rematch. And then I think DC versus Jon Jones. At heavyweight. Yeah, at heavyweight.

I think Jon wants to go up there and take that heavyweight title. But I think DC has a better chance against him at heavyweight. I don't think DC likes cutting weight, and I don't think it's good for his performance or his durability or anything. I think, I mean, judging by his fights with Derek Lewis, who's a fucking huge guy, and knocking out Stipe Miocic, who nobody's ever been able to do it like that before, the way DC did it. I mean, DC says at heavyweight he's just way more powerful, hits harder, takes a punch better.

I mean, he's not a tall guy. He's only like 5'11 But he's As wide as his fucking table Yeah DC's a tank of a man And His

Wrestling ability Is just Phenomenal But that's why John's so goddamn impressive That John took him down Yeah John went right at him

With wrestling He's like motherfucker I'm gonna take you down And scare you John Jones is my Favorite MMA fighter That dude is If he's not the greatest of all time he's in a conversation he's in a conversation it's like me my my opinion is that mighty mouse johnson is the greatest of all time but the caveat is that mighty mouse never really fought the caliber of competition

that john jones did john jones first fight in the UFC for a title, he's fighting Mauricio Shogun Hua, who is a legend. That's John's first fight. John opens up with a flying knee. You know what I mean? Oh, a flying knee! That's a legend! You know, chokes Lyoto Machida completely unconscious. You know, chokes out Rampage.

He just smashed everybody. John smashed everybody. He's only lost one time, and that's a bullshit time. That's a bullshit loss. Yeah, yeah. It was bullshit. It was a bullshit loss. A disqualification in the fight that he was dominating. Yep.

He's a freak, man. He's a real freak. He most definitely is. He's my favorite, especially since he told me he listens to my ass. He said, before I fight, I always listen to you. I am the one speed seat to you. Hell yes. He's something special. He definitely is.. Hell yes. He's something special.

He definitely is. He really is. He's something special. And I think, you know, he's had some troubles in his life and troubles, but I think he's got that shit behind him. I really do. And I think he's, you know, I mean, he hasn't had a near death experience, but I think he's had so many like near career experiences that he appreciates it now.

And I also think to be that good you gotta be fucking crazy and i think john jones is fucking crazy and he's just getting his crazy online he's just getting his crazy in order yeah like keep my crazy and under wraps just keep my crazy together yep but if you're gonna be that good you gotta be a wild motherfucker oh you gotta be wild that's that's what he is he's smart too though he's got like the perfect combination of things like smart and wild yeah you know and physically talented like and then and then long long as fuck for the weight class and he's very strong too oh yeah i've seen him weightlifting man i've been trying to get john jones into the valley of the beast

he's fucking strong, man. Maybe after the fight with Tiago Santos, he'll have some time off. But it's interesting. His coaches thought that his powerlifting was a bad idea for him. Apparently not, coaches. Well, they think that he got really into that before the OSP fight. Remember, he had a big stretch of time off. And then the OSP fight, he didn't look as good.

But I credit that to osp i just think that osp fought a real hard fight and he's a real big strong guy he's fucking dangerous yeah and i think yeah he's a tough dude yeah i think that it's just one of those things where stylistically you know ovince fought a really good fight and i mean ovince had a broken arm for i think the last round you know he fought that fought a really good fight. And, I mean, Ovens had a broken arm for, I think, the last round. You know, he fought that round with a fucking shattered arm. Never let anybody know. Didn't say a goddamn word about it.

His forearm snapped. Damn. Yeah. You got to be a tough son of a bitch to do that, man. It's the hardest game in the world. Next to being a cop or a firefighter or a soldier, MMA fighter is the hardest game in the world. Yeah, I totally agree. I'm glad you brought up soldiers because I'm a veteran.

I'm a veteran myself, and I have a lot of PTSD. I was hoping that during the conversation we could get PTSD in there some kind of way because my dad suffered from PTSD big time. He went in the Korean War at age 16. He got a guy. Yeah, he had a guy signed for him and said he was his dad. And he was able to get in for a while like that. And that was I that was I give him a pass on a lot of the crazy shit he did because of that. Right. You know, he never sit down and had a conversation with me about it.

I never talked to my dad for more than five minutes at a time. You know, when I talked to him growing up, never be more than five minutes at a time in a whole life. My whole life. You know, he died when he was 86 and I'm 50 something. I was 57, 87, around there before we had maybe 10 minute conversation. And it was just me apologizing to him for hating him. Yeah, we talked about this. But he had what they call a shell shot back then. So to me, it was an explanation for a lot of his over-the-top behavior.

I can't imagine myself at 16 being gunfire, seeing dead guys all around me. I know I would have been a mental mess also. So I gave them a lot of, and it's such a problem now, PTSD with soldiers now. They have the 21 push-ups for the 21 veterans who kill themselves every day from PTSD. So it's a big cause for me. I want to do everything I can do

to try to bring awareness for my fellow veterans out there that are suffering from that too. So I'm with you guys. I'm with you vets. Yeah, it's what we were talking about before, to ask someone to be able to get through that. Yeah, it's an incredible ask.

I want to ask your opinion about something, Joe. Do you think a police chief or if a guy can be, do you think a guy can possibly rise to police chief without ever having been an officer himself? It doesn't seem like you should be. Okay. Do you think a guy can be a fire chief without ever having been a fireman himself? Doesn't seem like you should be. ever having been a fireman himself. Doesn't seem like you should be.

Do you think a guy can be the commander-in-chief of our armed forces without ever having been a soldier himself? Doesn't seem like you should be. Thank you, Joe. Yeah, I think it's way too easy to be commander-in-chief. Like, how many people, what if that was like a prerequisite you had to serve like uh like in the israeli army if you're in the israeli army everyone has to serve there's a certain amount of time everyone has to put in the south korean army same thing you have to serve you know uh chan sung jung who's a top level ufc fighter took two years off his career because that

was the requirement with the south k army. They had him serve. I think that if you are going to be able to tell people where they go and that they have to risk their life on a campaign that many people might think is fruitless or even worse, many people might think it's financially motivated and not necessary. And you're asking someone's son to go over there and die for that preach yes you you should have some understanding about what you're saying you should you should have served i think it's impossible for you to have a good understanding a grasp of what you're asking if you haven't experienced it yourself but now let's go back and look at all the presidents how many of them served barack obama never served george w bush didn't serve but george herbert walker bush served and you know he's actually shot down in world war two right um clinton never served. Clinton never served.

Nixon never served. I mean, you got to go. You got to get rid of a lot of fucking presidents. And I think that none of them should have been able to be commander in chief of the armed forces. That's just my feeling. If you didn't serve, you shouldn't. They got plenty of generals that could fill that spot yeah i think that they should change whatever they need to change whatever law whatever it is to change that the commander in

chief of the armed forces has to be has to be us have been a soldier they have a lot of five-star generals a lot of guys at the top that have been in the military, that know what their experience is. Let them be the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. These are the 12 presidents who did not serve in the military. So, wait a minute.

Nixon did. Nixon served? He's a commander of the Naval Reserve, it says. Oh, Naval Reserve. Oh, okay. But Clinton didn't. No. Barack, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge, Hard Reserve. Okay. But Clinton didn't. No.

FDR, Hoover, Coolidge, Harding. Interesting. But George W. W. Bush didn't serve, did he? I think he was a reserve for a small period of time or something like that. Oh, that's right. Yeah, there were some shenanigans. They got him out of.

I think Trump had like eight deferments. It's like feet hurt or some shit. Bone spurs. Bone spurs. They got him out of – I think Trump had like eight deferments. It's like feet hurt or some shit. Bone spurs. Bone spurs. How do you get bone spurs by never working out ever? How does that happen? He's kind of funny though, man, the not working out thing.

He thinks his body is like a battery and thinks like if you work out, you use up your juice. Oh. Well, that is – You've got a finite number Of heartbeats or something like that Is that what he said? Yeah There's other people that believe that too I've looked it up

Well that is But they do believe that that's the case But here's the thing When you train You It lowers your heart rate That's what people don't understand Most definitely

Like Michael Bisping has a 34 beats per minute Resting heart rate Yep Most Fat fucks Out there have like 78, 80. They're

wasting. Marathon runners. It's super low. Yeah, and then when you're taking speed, right? Taking diet pills. He just described me as a fat fuck. Not you. Mine is like 78, 80. No. No, no, no,

no, no. You ain't a fat fuck. know i'm saying i'm alive fuck you're alive but if even if that is true i mean there's no real evidence that that's nah that is true i think um yeah i think anybody that is going to tell people that they have to fight for our country should have had to fight. Most definitely. Or at least should have had to serve. Serve. You understand?

Yeah, you have to have. You don't have to necessarily have had military. I mean, it's not your fault if you didn't see action. Right, right. I agree with that. You don't have to be a combat vet, but at least have been willing that when you were called to accept the call and step up. Because by doing that, you're saying, and when I sign this piece of paper, that I don't know if there's going to be a conflict, there's going to be a war or not,

but I'm signing up. If there is, I'm available. I'm here, man. We're always hoping for the best, right, with presidents, but it always disappoints us. Like, no one's been the most amazing president. No one is ever, like, the one person where you look back and go, man, that motherfucker nailed everything. They got it right. They got it right with whistleblowers.

They got it right with human rights. They got it right with freedom of speech. They got it right with everything. They got it right with military intervention. They got it right with regime change wars. They got it right with everything. They got it right with military intervention. They got it right with regime change wars. They got it right with everything. They didn't do anything wrong. And, man, everybody should be like them.

Like, a lot of goofy people look back to, like, Ronald Reagan. Like, they say, oh, Ronald Reagan, he was our guy. Like, that's just because it's a long time ago and your memory sucks. Like, I remember when people fucking hated Ronald Reagan, man. I remember when they were Trying to get him out of office Like that wasn't That one didn't work either

No one No one's good at the job They're gonna Boy Joe You're gonna get a lot Of comments on that It's true though Yeah

I think it's an impossible job Ultimately To please everybody Is always an impossible job Impossible It's an impossibility I don't know anybody Who can do that.

Not just please everybody, but the idea that one person is going to oversee every branch of government, the military, the economy, social issues, censorship, big tech, problems with the environment. Like, what the fuck? Are you crazy? How could one person do all that? It's not possible. No. It's not possible no it's not possible and and do a wonderful job at it all too exactly it's right i mean i i don't understand how it's

even humanly possible i don't think a human i think that job should be there should be a council of wise people that decide things yeah and we should be able to decide whether or not they're wise. You know, I mean, there should be a... I guess that's what the election in Congress and the Senate, that's supposedly what that was. I guess. Yes, that's what it's supposed to be. It's also like, it's too easy to vote.

I mean, it's too easy to just say, ah, that guy, you know, ah, that guy. You should be able to like, tell me why that guy like what's your reasoning does it make sense did you think this through are you just like that guy's a republican i'm a republican fuck it is that what you're doing like what are you doing like you're making these choices and you're throwing your mark on this piece of paper and that could affect the way the world swings like what's the thought process behind it so you think people should have to explain their votes i don't because i don't think that i think the right to vote should not be anything that's infringed upon in any way shape or form but it would be a lot better if people

knew what the fuck they were voting on it would help it would help if they had a real understanding of it but people don't have the time. That's the other problem, man. You know, we're talking about people slaving away all day. If someone's working all day, eight hours a day, how much time do they really have to research foreign policy? How much time do they have to research what's going wrong with the economy? Subprime interest rate loans and all that shit. How much time do people need? Yeah, they don't.

They're concerned about what's going on in their family's life. And they're trying to get laid. And they're trying to eat. And they want to get to the game. And they got tickets to see this. All that important shit. Yeah. And then the fucking Avengers are out.

Yeah, man. Three hours long, man. I stayed awake. I haven't seen it yet. I heard it's great. Oh, I stayed awake. I heard it's great. Good enough to keep me awake. I haven't seen it yet. I heard it's great. Oh, I stayed awake. I heard it's great.

Good enough to keep me awake. That's saying something. I go to sleep all the time. Is it from the heart transplant? Are you sleepier now? No, no. I went to sleep all the time before the heart transplant. No, I get comfortable, fuck, and it's over, man.

Yeah. Yeah, it's over. Well, that's often. The lights are out. That's the thing, too, with people who train a lot. Nobody fucking with me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's over. Well, that's often. The lights are out. That's the thing, too, with people who train a lot. Nobody fucking with me. Yeah. If you train a lot, though, you're always ready to take a nap, right? Oh, yeah, man.

Because your body's always, like, recovering. Yeah. I'm out, man. No problem. But overtraining is bullshit. You think overtraining is bullshit? Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

I know you don't. I bet you think that it's not bullshit and overtraining is very real. Don't you, too? Yes, I do. Yes, I knew you would say that. You know what rhabdomyelosis is? No, I have no idea what that is. It's when you're overtraining and your muscles start breaking down and it pollutes your kidneys. People die from it.

Wow. That was a big-ass, long long word and if you look in the dictionary it'll say bullshit no i think there's under resting under recuperation that's true but uh overtraining now if you get enough rest and enough recuperation i think overtraining is bullshit right but if you have to work out hard and then you have to work out again the next day and you work out hard the next day, that's rhabdomyelosis piss. When you get rhabdo, your piss comes out looking like iced tea. And I don't mean the rapper.

Iced tea is more than a rapper, though, right? It's hard to say he's a rapper. He's a rapper, actor. He's a cool dude. Yeah, I mean, he's a rapper. He's a rapper, actor. He's a cool dude. Yeah, I mean, he has body count. That's a metal band, so he has that, too. Yeah. Yeah.

Right, I see he's cool. But, yeah, he looks like Diet Coke. Let's say that. Yeah, it's fucked. That's what your piss looks like. Yeah, it's fucked up. Yeah, that's what happens. And I train every, I work fucking eight hours a day,

eight, 10, 12 hours a day at the post office, went to the gym, put in another four to six hours for fucking 25 years. And my piss never looked like that. Yeah, I think that's more endurance athletes and particularly CrossFit. A lot of CrossFit people get robbed. Oh, yeah. Because they're competing against other people and they get real wrapped up in it. I got to ask Jason Kalipa about this. He's a good friend of mine.

See if his piss ever looked like root beer. It's a real issue for CrossFitters and ultra-endurance athletes. Yeah. He's one of the top CrossFitters. Is he? Yeah. He's world champion two or three times. Those guys are ridiculously fit. Oh ridiculously fit look i had him in the in my gym and i put him through my

training he was one of the he did the shit like it was nothing yeah yeah he's fucking that guy crossfit me and you know wait with this kind of laugh at crossfitters and like that's that's you know you know girly shit man it's both crossfit is bullshit but that motherfucker is in extremely good shape yeah crossfitting is definitely not yeah it's definitely not bullshit no it's very hard yep what those guys do is very very very very hard yeah the real question is whether or not it's good for your body and that's where um that's where and i'm not qualified just to judge but there's a lot of people that are professional strength and conditioning coaches that frown upon it because they think that those

kind of movements like power lifting movements like clean press that kind of yeah yeah that should not be done for the maximum amount of repetitions they think that should be done for power then you should you know you should hoist up your maximum or 85 of your maximum for x amount of times and that's it but what they're trying to do is just you know if mike does 10 i want to do 12 right mike does 12 i want to do 15 you know and they they think that there's like steve, who's a pretty famous strength and conditioning coach. He frowns upon it, and he just thinks it's just those movements are not designed for endurance. Those movements are designed for power. He thinks ultimately it's detrimental for your body.

And that if you want to have a long career in fitness and constantly be able to work out like deep into your 50s and 60s, he just thinks it's very detrimental for your body. Again, I'm not the guy to tell. Right, true or not true and me i'm sure a lot of these i need to get one of those top level crossfit guys i know i've gone back and forth with rich froning is that how you say yeah yeah online but i never got him on oh yeah we'll reach out to him again that i'm sure jason would die to be on here. But he is exceptionally fit. You know, the long term, I don't know because he's still a pretty young guy. But I have a real bad habit of looking at the people that say those things about, you know, athletes like that. I always look at them, and that's a bad habit. I can't help it.

All the people that give all the advice, the weightlifting advice online, I always go and look at their page and see how the fuck they look. And it's the overwhelming majority of Instagram coaches are fat fucks. Yep. It is. How the fuck can you give advice and look like that? Exactly. Right. How can you? i tell people all the time how can i i can't tell you or anybody how to to get through anything if i never been through

anything myself i can't tell you how to overcome an obstacle if i never overcame any fucking thing right and i can't tell you how to be in shape if I look like a fat fuck. I just can't do it. And I have a bad habit of looking at that person and, you know, examining them. First, if you're going to give me this kind of advice, then I have to, you know, I got to look at your page, Joe. I got to see them pictures that you've been posting, man. Now, if I want to know, that's why I'm asking Joe Rogan to show me how to kick because I've seen this motherfucking kick. And he kicks like a fucking mule, man.

I want to learn how to kick from that guy. I want to see somebody kicking through walls and shit. Joe Rogan, if you have not seen Joe Rogan kick, look it up. That is one kicking SOB. Joe Rogan kick his ass off. Yeah, I think you got a good point about

the people that criticize. Like, some people criticize people that work too hard because they don't want to work that hard. You don't need to work that hard. Yeah. I don't trust trainers that look like shit. Oh, fuck. And it's a gang of them, too.

A gang of them. Some of them are pretty popular. Yeah. And I see them, I'm like, what kind of body is that? How do you get a fucking client? Yeah. With a body. They got to be great talkers.

Got to be great talkers. Well, they must have good degrees in physiology and this and that. They must, man. You know what I mean? Yeah. But look and that. They must, man. Look at them. They look doughy. I don't like what their chin looks like. Their neck looks too skinny. I came when I first got on YouTube. I'm fucking talking shit about

them guys. I couldn't get a job as a personal trainer. I had all these fucking world championship certificates and shit and they told me you're not certified by this, not certified by that. We can't use you and i'm like fuck you're a personal trainer and this guy looked like he had never seen the inside never even drove by a fucking gym and he's a fucking you're the head personal trainer here i'm like oh i wonder if someone could be a good trainer without ever really working out hard themselves. Isn't that sort of similar to someone saying that someone shouldn't be the commander in chief without having served?

It's very similar. Yeah. It's very similar. If I'm going to work out, I want to work out with someone who's built like you. I want to work out with someone who's built like, oh, this motherfucker's lifted some weights. They understand. Yeah. They know what it takes to get big. They know what it takes to get big.

They know what it takes to get strong. It's like... Not just in theory. Yeah. It's like, would you hire a boxing coach that never been a boxer, that's never been in the ring?

It doesn't seem wise. No, I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I think some people, the interesting thing is some trainers are just really good martial artists, and they never have competed. I don't understand how that works, though. It doesn't make sense to me. And then they would say that, you know, their skills in teaching things is not in fighting itself. But I think some of the best best fighters are the best coaches or there

have been fighters yeah some of the best yeah i totally agree because they they know what the fighter's going through and that that's part of it's not just the the skill you know the techniques that uh the kicks the punch it's not that. They know everything because they've been there. They know everything from the ring walk to what it's like when it gets hard. Right. When you're down on the cards. Yes. They know that.

They've experienced that. And a guy that's never been through that, he'll be lost in that situation. He won't know what the fuck to tell you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's know what the fuck to tell you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's with most things in life, right? Yeah. Someone's going to give you advice on something,

they better have some actual real-world experience. Yeah, I think so. I think it's a necessity. But what the fuck do I know? You know a lot, man. I'm just this kid from Compton. Well, I ain't a kid, but I'm just this old guy from Compton. Yeah.

But a lot of good stuff comes out of Compton, man. Dr. Dre came from Compton. Well, I ain't a kid, but I'm just this old guy from Compton. Yeah. But a lot of good stuff comes out of Compton, man. Dr. Dre came from Compton. A lot of good stuff comes out of pressure. Yeah, for sure. Compton's pressure. Yep. That is definitely pressure. Bad things come out of it as well.

Oh, yeah. You know, I mean, it's not ideal. No. But damn, if you can make it through. Oh, man. It's that crazy thing, like you don't want your children to suffer. But the people who do suffer, god damn, they come through with some incredible character. It's a conundrum, right?

Wow. Yes. It's such a, I think that, you know, people tell me, Joe, people tell me I get letters and DMs and stuff from people from all over the planet. And so many different races. There's massive Russian, Ethiopian, people from Sri Lanka, everywhere. Hey, CT, it was something about your story. If it was your childhood, your health problems, how you went through that and overcame gave me inspiration to go through my problems. That is the best feeling in the world, Joe. And when I hear that, I'm like, everything I had to go through or everything I went

through, I didn't volunteer to die. It wasn't my choice. If I had a choice, I'd have been perfectly fucking healthy. But going through it, if it could help that guy in Sri Lanka, that guy in Russia, the guy in Prague,

the guy in Ireland, if it in Prague, the guy in Ireland. If it could help them, then it was so worth it. It ain't even funny. I'd do it all over again tomorrow. Just because this guy says that it helped me get through something. Inspiration. Oh, man. Inspiration is very, very, very valuable.

Very valuable and really hard to, I mean, it's hard to quantify. If you had to explain inspiration to someone who's never experienced it, like someone else doing something good makes you feel like you can do something good? It seems like it shouldn't. It shouldn't have anything to do with you. But it does. It does. Isn't it? My first one, we go to do these expos, these expos and stuff, and people come and some people wait in line two or three hours to shake my hand.

And I think that's so crazy, Joe. I mean, who the fuck am I? Who am I? I am am nobody i'm nobody i ain't done nothing well stop and think about this many of your videos have like more than a million views so that's you're not nobody it's crazy but that's not nobody like Like, everybody's somebody, right? I mean, that's an old saying. Yeah. The reality is you have reached out with your videos and touched. And if you saw a million people in front of you, you'd freak the fuck out, right? Well, that's more than that. You've touched many more than that.

Millions and millions of people. It is absolutely crazy to me, Joe. I just can't. Because the first video I get on YouTube, I go, hey, look, I don't give a fuck if you listen to me or not. Who would listen to somebody who says that? Me. Me, I listen to you. Turn me the fuck off.

I don't give a fuck. And I'm getting a fucking million people looking at that shit. And I'm like, man just it's just so crazy so because i like i said i consider myself the least of the least the lowest of the lowest the bottom of the barrel and i'm just you know people people say lct you're you're uh the greatest you're a king you're a guy i'm like no i'm not i ain't none of that stuff i I'm nothing. I'm absolutely nothing. Well, that's not true either. What you are is an exceptional person.

The thing about exceptional people is they're self-critical. And one of the reasons why you got to be so good at what you chose to be obsessed by is that you worked hard to constantly improve. So when you're constantly working hard to improve, you're not thinking, I'm the best. best you're like god damn i gotta go to work i gotta get this in i gotta get this done and so when people tell you you're great you're like what are you talking i'm working i'm over here working i'm trying to get better great man that's inspiring to people though the the thing about what inspiration does to people it's almost like a type of intangible fuel. Oh, man. It can change lives.

Joe, people come to me and in the line, they kind of tell me, a grown man, he starts crying. Right. Gets down on his knees. Okay, you might want to stay away from that guy. This guy's crying. He'd get down on his knees and tell me, OCT, you changed my life. You kept me from committing suicide.

I've heard that story that because of me, they didn't take their own life at least a hundred times. Yeah. Joe Rogan, what i have gone through to save if these people are to saying that i saved their life because i didn't give up because i didn't

give in because i kept the faith and kept going. I was going to do that anyway, Joe. That's just right. But it changed their life for them to tell me something like that. I'm like, fuck, I do this shit all over again tomorrow. Well, you know, it's like what we're saying earlier about people that don't have anything that they're inspired by. And I was saying, maybe I wish I saw them when they were young. Like maybe if you got a hold of them when they were young, you could teach them the value of expressing themselves

and competing or doing something where you get positive feedback from your effort. And I think that some people, they don't ever get that. And so when someone gets that from someone like you when they they they get that that fuel that intangible fuel that you get when you get inspired by somebody they it's so emotional because it's it really is like you gave them a gift and that gift we model ourselves after other successful people we do it all the time either hopefully if everything goes great you model yourself after your parents or you model yourself after your uncle, your brothers and sisters or whoever it is that's around you that seems to be exceptional.

And that fuels people. It helps people. It means a lot to people. Sometimes people don't have that, so they got to look inward. It's like that old Whitney Houston song. Everybody searching for a hero oh yeah song yeah yeah it was like on the muhammad ali uh life story that was a that was that was the song that they said the original version of that song was on a it was like a docudrama on

muhammad ali's life but that sometimes you don't find someone for a long time, and then when you do, it changes your whole life. You find someone, maybe it's just a YouTube video, and it's you saying it's still your motherfucking set, and it's you just pushing people and telling people to go get after it. And people see that, and all of a sudden it's like they get goosebumps. Their heart starts racing. It's like you gave them a drug.

Like you gave them fuel. And then they want to change their life. Then they want to watch you tomorrow. Then they want to watch you when they're at lunch break. They want to watch you while they're taking a shit. They want to watch you on their phone. But that's fuel, and you literally can change a person's life through that because we need each other. I mean, it's one more life through that because we need each other.

I mean, it's one more piece of evidence that we need each other and that we have this sort of very strange, loose-fitted community of all human beings together. When someone like you does something that's exceptional and says something that's exceptional and has these inspirational words, it can change a person's whole life, change their whole path, change who they are. I've gotten so many messages from people that say, I lost 130 pounds. I did this. I got off sugar. I'm fucking running every day. I hit the gym five days a week now. I'm a different person.

I'm drinking water. I'm exercising. I take vitamins. I'm eating healthy. I got more juice. I got more more energy my whole life is different now i'm more positive yeah it happens all the time but how does that make you feel obligated oh no you know no i know exactly what you mean you feel like you have to keep going you can't't fail. Yeah. You can't fail. You can't, because now you've got all these people who are looking up to you. Yeah.

I don't want that. I definitely don't want anybody looking up to me, but I do like people being inspired. And if people get inspired by me, I'm happy. But, you know. They do, Joe. They're looking up to you. You can't help it, man. You can't help it. I. You can't help it.

I don't want it. I mean, I always say it all the time. I'm nobody. I'm nobody. Don't look at me, man. Don't look at me. I talk about a higher power. Look at the higher power, man.

Don't look at me. We fucking need each other, man. We all need each other. We really do. There's something beautiful about that, though. You can't just go it alone. You really do need each other. And if you accomplish everything you ever want to accomplish, but nobody's there with you, nobody cares, nobody likes you, that don't mean shit.

It's useless. Absolutely. Love is the most important thing. And that sounds so cliche. But without love, it's all useless. It's all useless. There's no personal satisfaction in accomplishments if nobody loves you. You're not going to enjoy it.

At least your family. Yeah. Everybody. And the more you can spread positive energy, the more people will love you. The more you'll have that community of love. It's just like I told you, Joe, I never expected even, you know, live past 40. People tell me, I always think about, I'm the little kid that used to hide in the closet when I would hear my dad's keys rattling the door or this car pull up. I would hide in the closet or trying to hide.

I didn't want him to see me. I'm that kid, dude. And my dad would always tell me that, you know, you're never going to be nothing. You're never going to do this. You're never going to do that. And so I'm that kid. So that still fucks with you? Oh, to come from.

No, I'm reminded kid. So that still fucks with you. Oh, to come from, no, I'm reminded of it. I think about that when people tell me, oh, you're great, CJ. No, man, I come from, I'm you, man. I wash dishes. I cut grass. I pump gas. I'm those people. You know, I bus tables as a kid. I washed. I did all those things, too. Yeah. I'm those people. You know, I bussed tables as a kid.

I watched it. I did all those things, too. Yeah. I know what you mean. I'm the people that are saying that I'm great. I'm you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm you.

Yeah. I'm not anything other than you. That's so important for people to hear, though. Yeah. That they are you, but that they can be someone like you, too, if they put in the kind of time and effort that you put in that's the real message the real message is we all started from nowhere i mean we all had bullshit jobs we all felt like losers but through time and effort you build a stronger human you build a stronger body you build a stronger mind you build accomplishments and will and momentum and then you look back and you go hey man i'm not washing tables anymore you know i'm not uh i'm

not washing dishes i'm not cutting lawns i'm not digging ditches yeah i'm a different person now but i used to be and these desire not to be there but not to stay in it that's that's what uh that's the hardest part right to get out of that rut. When you ain't got shit and there's nothing going on, to have faith then is so difficult. To have faith when you're successful, it's like, yeah. Listen, bitch, you've been successful for a while.

Of course you got faith. Just keep doing what you're doing. That's easy. Absolutely right. It's like you already got up the hill. Now you're just coasting. You're just rolling down the hill. Everything's great.

That's the easy part. It's all smooth sailing. Yep. The hard part is getting up that fucking hill. Ugh. Especially if you got a dad you're hiding from. Especially if you feel like you're a loser. You never really had anything in your life that you could look back on and say, hey, I was really good at that.

Yeah. And there's a lot of people out there listening to this. There's so many people that are in that starting point. Like the people that come up to you and say what do i i don't know what to do what should i do how do i do it yeah how do i get going well you're gonna have to figure it out one foot in front of the other you're gonna have to you have to find a thing and keep working at it and get better at it that's one of the things that i like so much about martial arts they let anybody in yeah anybody in

and then from that from learning how to do that you get better and then you realize i can get better at anything yeah because this it's so the first time i ever did jujitsu i remember just being manhandled so bad going man i'll never be good at this this is terrible i'm fucking awful at this and this is i'd already been a black belt in taekwondo and already kickboxer did a bunch of shit and i was like i can't believe i'm starting from scratch again yeah but that at least i knew then that i already done that before i already started from scratch so like i had some experience started from scratch like all i have to do is just put in the time and the effort here the desire to get better damn that's for everybody just find a thing everything and if you find a thing like

particularly martial arts Because you get belts and ranks And then you can see How you're doing with opponents Especially Jiu Jitsu I like that one the most Because you're not getting hit Yeah

I think there's so many people That in the Especially if you go to a bad gym In the early days People are going to tune you up Yeah They're going to beat you up Yep

Yeah You could get some little damage Yeah that would discourage A lot of people up yep yeah you could get some damage yeah discourage a lot of people yeah but if you could just find a thing and work hard at that thing you'll realize through that thing that you can get good at anything yeah with time and effort don't have anything i mean you pick the thing yeah pick the thing whatever the thing calls to you whatever calls to you yep they decide to change to to not, to change those circumstances, whatever they might be. Yeah.

As long as you have, you have to have that desire, the will to change those circumstances. Yeah. That's your start right there, man. I don't know how bleak it may seem, but if you have the will, the desire to change it, there's your starting point. Since you started doing these videos on YouTube to now, how much of a difference has it made in the types of people that come to your gym and the numbers of people that come in? I have Joe Rogan's phone number. I have Terry Crews' phone number. I have Dr.an's phone number. I have Terry Crews' phone number. I have Dr. Dre's phone number.

Yeah, I saw you. You took a lot of pictures with Dr. Dre recently. You've been hanging out with him a lot? Dr. Dre. I know you guys look at the news and you might see, hey, don't say nothing bad about Dr. Dre in front of me. What news? Dr. Dre is an incredible individual. bad about Dr. Dre in front of me. What news? Dr. Dre is an incredible individual. Incredible.

Dr. Dre, I call him Dre now. Dre is an incredible individual. His heart is huge. Huge, Joe. I can't tell you how huge because you told me not to. There he is with you. Yes. He's an incredible individual.

He was jacked at one point in time, right? Yes. He got huge. Yes, he did. He still looks great. He told me he's in very good shape right now. He's a lot of cardio, eats really well. Matter of fact, he's got this trail he wants me to,

he challenged me to try hiking up a hill, and I'm not ready for it joe but dr jay if you're listening i'm gonna make it up that fucking trail i might have to roll down but i'm gonna make it up he's in great shape but he's a great human being he's a a very good human being that's awesome to hear i love hearing yeah Just down to earth. So he shifted his training from like, just,

he got really big at one point in time. His goal. Yeah. I saw him at the comedy store one night and he was like the rock. Yeah. He was huge. Huge. Exactly.

You know, he's, he's more, uh, you know, health oriented and cardio. And he wants to, uh,

he said his goal is to get down to 200 pounds, uh, of just lean low body fat percentage muscle what does he weigh now uh 210 i think he said and with me and him saying around the same weight and my goal is also to get down to 200 pounds i want to be 200 pounds which i haven't been in a long time but i want to be 200 pounds. Well, this picture's of you when you were powerlifting. Yeah. Who are you? Yeah, 325. You were 325?

325. Oh my God. At my height, man. Wow. Yeah, I ain't the tallest motherfucker in the world,

so. You were as wide as a building, though. Yeah, I was pretty big. God damn. 325 is so big.

325. So you were 115 pounds heavier than you are now? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So you see why. So stack up 115 pounds heavier than you are now? Yeah. Yeah. So you see why I feel like I'm a skeleton now. So stack up 115 pound steaks. Yeah.

You know? I feel like a skeleton now compared to this, man. Just stop and think of that. 115 one pound steaks. Just slap, slap, slap, slap, slap, slap, slap, slap, slap, slap. All that meat. Just a lot of meat, man. All that meat just everywhere. Yeah.

Shoulders. And I didn't care. I'd almost pass out tying my shoes, get out of breath, walking to the front fucking door. I'm like, oh, fuck. See, over with me at the door again. Oh, fuck.

I gotta walk all the way. You were saying you had a terrible diet back then oh it was horrible there you are look at you yeah yeah that's my fat ass jesus christ look how big you were holy shit that ain't all fat man that's you you look gigantic yeah that's a fat fuck man and i'm trying to get like the other guy i don't know the lean lean cp on the other side how much did you weigh on the other side on the other side i was probably about 220 but i want to get down to 200 pounds that's the goal by 60s to be 200 pounds jesus christ look at the size of your arm that's so crazy look at the size of that fucking arm that is so preposterous. And the tricep line, the line between the tricep and the bicep, that is ridiculous, sir.

That looks a little sharp to me, man. I think somebody added on. You think so? Yeah, that's a little add-on right there. I don't think so. Stop lying. I think they helped me out a little bit. I don't think so.

You look pretty young there, too. Yeah, I was actually 50. 50 was when I just. In that picture? Yeah. Wow. Go back to that again. That's 50 with no steroids.

That's ridiculous. Yeah, I just won a natural. Had a professional. A natural professional division. So I won the over 50 category. Wow. That's how i got my pro card as a bodybuilder but uh no it looks a little that ain't me that's a big difference so we were talking about people that come to your gym though man i mean they must flock to you now. I flock. I don't know.

But it's kind of cool though because you have sort of, you've taken on this role as a guru. I mean, that's one of the things that a lot of people have gotten from your videos and these. I mean, there's motivation from, you know, a lot of people can give you motivation. Some of that motivation seems stale. And then there's some people that give you motivation like, wow, there's motivation from, you know, a lot of people can give you motivation. Some of that motivation seems stale. And then there's some people that give you motivation like, wow, that's live. That shit's live. Your motivation is live. It's real.

You can tell. It's not scripted. Yeah. No one's telling you what to see. It's not scripted. From the heart. Yeah, yeah. Definitely.

Everything is right off the top of the head, man. I think, but a guru, that's another title i think i'm definitely not worthy i maybe you know people say oh he's an og an old guy that's that's more closer to i've been around long enough well you're also like people turn because of the fact you've been around you've done so much the people will turn to you and say, hey, this is a person with real life experience. You really have done things. Yeah, I've done some stuff.

When you start talking about pushing, when you start talking about pushing yourself, people understand this is coming from life experience. This is real. And that's the difference. That's why it resonates with people. It resonates with people because it's authentic. Oh, man. That's a high compliment.

I appreciate that, Joe. Thanks. It most definitely is real. There's a lot of people out there listening to this that know you that are nodding their head right now in appreciation and understanding. They know what we're saying. They know that when you fire me the fuck up, dude, those videos, I get fired up. Now, that's high praise right there. It's not just me man

There's a lot of other people But that must have led a lot of people To come to your gym Yeah I get people from I go I guarantee that I'm going to be there On Wednesday nights Because people come all the time

Expecting me to be at the gym 24 hours a day Where's the gym? It's in Signal Hill, California It's Iron Addicts right? It's the gym? It's in Signal Hill, California. It's Iron Addicts, right? Yes, Iron Addicts Gym in Signal Hill, California. There's a rumor that we're going to be

opening up another one here pretty soon. Where? We haven't decided yet. How about over here? You know, that's a possibility. People need a hardcore gym out here. That is a possibility. Where are you thinking where uh an area where people can afford the membership that's what we're thinking man

you know because where i'm at now too i tell you i could make a lot more money but i you know first responders firemen policemen uh all vetsamedics, they train at the gym for free. Good for you. Yeah, I don't charge them nothing, man. That's amazing. That's the least I could do. I think it's the least I could do. That's beautiful.

So, yeah, I could make more money, but that's something that I choose to do. Good for you. Yeah. But, yeah, we're thinking about opening up another one in an area where people got some money. Well, when you do, man, let me know and I'll get that bat signal up in the sky. Oh, hell yeah. Definitely. Definitely,

Joe Rogan. I've seen one podcast where you had one of my t-shirts on. Yeah, man. Thank you, Joe. I really appreciate that. Oh, my pleasure, brother. I was so fucking excited when I see that. Somebody seen it first. One of my kids seen it first I was so fucking excited when I seen that. Somebody seen it first. One of my kids

seen it first because they're all the time on social media. Hey, dad, dad, look at you. Look at you. And I'm like, oh, fuck, that's cool.

Well, I was happy for you to see that your poster's hanging up in the green room too. Yeah, that's unbelievable. Joe Rogan's got my poster hanging up in his room. That's cool, man.

That is so cool. So you're there every Wednesday? Every Wednesday night and that's when the that is so so you're there every wednesday every wednesday night and that's when the gym is pretty packed on wednesday nights we do a live workout and people come you take people through this workout oh yeah if they if they come on wednesday nights i've trained people you know i don't i it it's on wednesday nights absolutely free i'll see that's another reason i'm making I have people come over on Wednesday nights. They train for absolutely free. All you got to do is sign the waiver

so if you get fucked up, it's on you. You don't try to sue me or nothing like that. But if you come on Wednesday night and sign the waiver, it's absolutely free. That's amazing. I yell and scream at them. They yell at me. They call me a motherfucker. It's so

funny. When they call me a motherfucker and I'm like, I've been calling me a motherfucker. It's so funny. They call him a motherfucker. And I'm like, I've been calling people a motherfucker since the fifth grade for nothing. Isn't that weird? Yeah. And now they want me to call him a motherfucker. I'm on Cameo. And on Cameo, for $25, I'll cuss him out.

Oh, that's that application? Yeah, the Cameo app. And for $25, I'll cuss them out. Oh, that's that app? Yeah, it's the Cameo app. And for 25 bucks, I'll cuss them out. And I'm like, damn, I used to cuss people out for nothing. How many of those do you do? I do about 10 a day. Really? Yeah. Wow.

Cuss them out, man. Wish me a happy fucking birthday, CD. Wish me a happy birthday or whatever the fuck they want. Right. 25 bucks, man. That's very reasonable. Yeah, yeah. It used to be more, and I said, nah, fuck it, I'll make it cheaper so more people can afford to do it.

I don't mind. I don't mind cussing them out. I would say you got a heart of gold, but you have a new heart. Yeah. So you got a new heart of gold. Definitely. But you really do man the way you look at things is it's very cool it's very cool the way you let first responders and firefighters

and veterans work out for free and the wednesday night working out for free and all that your heart is in the right place your mind is in the right place i try i try to it is man it is so like the environment around the gym how much did it change once you started putting up those videos oh uh it's it's the type of gym my gym is the type of gym that um if you don't uh you know i gotta say this we got number two behind Gold's Gym as the favorite hardcore gym in America, Iron Addict Gym. Really? Behind Gold's Gym, man. Holy shit.

Yeah. You can't beat Gold's Gym because you might be number one. People are always going to vote for Gold's Gym number one because it's just so iconic. Second behind Gold's Gym. That's incredible. That's an honor, man. That's what I'm saying. I think you won.

That was a super honor. I feel like you got first place because you can't really defeat Gold's Gym. People coming from Lithuania, CT, and we came. We were in town on vacation. One place we wanted to go was your gym. Wow. I love that kind of stuff, man. That's amazing.

It is so gratifying. But it's not Planet Fitness. No. It's hardcore. I love the way it looks. Yeah. It looks like it's just like a fucking tornado ran through it. Yeah.

But if you don't love that. Yeah. I love it. I love it. The weights look like everybody's been lifting with them. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I like.

Shiny, pretty weights. Get the fuck out of here with them. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I like. Shiny, pretty weeds. Get the fuck out of here with that. But see, that's your, if you have that kind of mentality, then you'll love it. Yeah.

But if, you know, some people going like, oh, no, I don't know, that's not my cup of tea, then you won't. Yeah. But thank goodness

there's enough people like us. And my daughter's like, could you, I think he, could you just put, recover this one bench, right? Because they got a lot of like the stuffings coming out and i look and i'm going fuck this is perfect yeah and my daughter's like no yeah it's got like a patina yeah yeah i like

it too man i like seeing shit that's chipped up a little bit banged up that's me especially if you're gonna go put yourself through hell yeah you like cars too yeah love cars i noticed yeah you love cars i love cars you got a corvette too yeah 65 i know man see it's fucking badass too but you didn't know that i'm a car nut too i do know you're a car nut we talked about it we did yeah yeah we get oh what do you have what do you have oh i have uh four corvettes four i know you're a corvette man damn i have a 65 uh a 72 a 74 and a 71 i got a lot of c3s oh Oh, those are the C3s. Is that you? Yeah, that's one of them. Yeah,

that's wow. Damn, you are good on that thing, man. You speak about, yeah. That's yours too? Yeah,

that's mine too. Oh, that one's nice. Black with the side pipes. That's 427 Tri-Carb right there. Oh, that's a beautiful one. What year is that?

That's 72. So that's all generation three, right? Yeah. My neighbors hate me. That fucker is loud, man. I bet. That year is amazing. Those are gorgeous cars, man.

Nothing compared to what you got, but I like them, man. I love them. I love Corvettes. I like the new ones, too. I like all of them. You got something else besides the Corvette, too. I heard about, but I haven't seen. I've seen the Corvette, but what else you got? I have a 69 Nova that they're building right now.

I did see that. I think I did see that. And everything's, like, super new. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like old shit, like drum brakes and fucked up suspensions we can't go around corners yeah i'm not interested in dying not like that oh man yeah i like what they call resto mods yeah that's that's it is that what you do yours oh no no i well um the yellow one i i got from a guy who's a plastic surgeon and that was like his bottom-of-the-line car.

But he did everything to it. It's got the suspension and everything. It makes a big difference. Yeah, yeah. I could drive that thing anywhere. But the black one, 427 Tri-Carb, it's old school. Old school all the way? Yeah, man. Even the brakes?

No, no. It's got disc brakes. Okay, yeah. That's where you got to draw the line. Yeah, yeah. Got to have. Got to be able to stop. Got to be able to stop. But that fucker is. And actually, I like got disc brakes. Okay. Yeah, that's where you got to draw the line. Yeah, yeah. Got to have. Got to be able to stop. Got to be able to stop.

But that fucker is. And actually, I like shit like that. I wouldn't mind the rest of them, but I like old shit, man. I like old houses. I like old cars. I collect old bikes. Character. Yeah, just old shit.

I just love old shit, man. I do, too. Yeah. i think there's character to old things yep it's like either you like it or you don't like some people do like everything new and modern and shiny like when i started making money i started buying older cars i like older shit just they just have a different feel to them totally totally totally totally and i have a uh yeah yeah that's my latest truck man when did you get this uh i got that uh probably six months ago what year is it see i like that motherfucker yeah look at all the patina on that it's a crew cab it's a 61 crew cab and it came from the factory a crew cab man Wow. You can't find those crew cabs. And it came from the factory, a crew cab, man.

Wow. That truck looks like me. Bashed in windows and shit, scars and shit. Oh, that's beautiful. I love it. You drive that around? That motherfucker. No, you know what?

I'm waiting there. I am going to get the body work done on that motherfucker. It's got some holes in it. Oh, it's pretty beat up. Yeah. I got to get the body work done on that motherfucker because it's got some holes in it oh it's pretty beat up yeah it's pretty i gotta get the body work done but it's funny though there's something to that when you look at those old cars you realize that they don't make anything like this anymore no man the style uh they really put a lot into style yeah cars in 50s and 60s they do now but it just

doesn't seem the same even if they look good like a new corvette like a 2019 corvette it's a beautiful car but you look at that old truck it does not have what that truck has it's like you put it'll put a smile on your face just driving it man one of my biggest joys is is sitting behind the wheel of that one of those old cars man it just makes me i feel like a young motherfucker when i'm sitting there like a kid yeah yeah like it's a toy oh like a ride like you're driving around on a ride it is yeah it's so much joy you pull up to a stoplight some motherfucker you look over the car next to the guy he's giving you a thumbs up man i be cheesing from ear to ear when that happens and you don't even have to drive those fast. No.

Yeah. You don't have to. Even that Corvette. You don't have to. Every once in a while, it's fun to break them loose. It's a little fun to break them loose. Yeah. But you don't have to drive fast.

Well, for a power lifter, though, it's almost like mandatory for you to have some sort of a muscle car. Yeah, I guess so. It seems like it goes with the territory doesn't like a big block engine there's you oh somebody got a video you're driving by yeah that's hilarious i like do you get recognized a lot you know more than i you know i'm still shocked but you know i go to the store hey i was walking down the street the other day and it got hey ct you know i was yelling screaming from the car and i'm like man how do you even know who the fuck i am because i figure if you're not a weightlifter uh you don't look at youtube then you know that's a lot of

people how would anybody yeah you know wouldn't even know who the fuck i was you know and so i'm i was i still shocked by it but i get recognized more than I thought I would. This CT Fletcher 2.0, this life that you're living right now. Yes. What is different in what you're trying to accomplish? Oh, man. The first one was me, me, me, me, me.

And this 2.0 guy is so much more concerned about other people. And doing something to help somebody else is so much more important than, you know, like my initial videos. You see, you may not know me now, but you will. You know, I'm going to do this. And what this guy, fuck that guy. I'm the king. I'm the beast. I was like, you may not know me now, but you will. You know, I'm going to do this and this guy, fuck that guy. I'm the king. I'm the beast.

I'm the baddest one. I'm the baddest man on the planet. And, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I. And now I consider myself this new guy is so insignificant

that it's not even funny, man. Just fuck C.T. Fletcher. Does it feel weird to have completely shifted your consciousness like that it it it does a little weird at times it feels a little weird like you're not even you uh but so much it's me and i know it's me, but I feel so much better. So much better, man. When the focus on me, you know, this new version, I feel so much better than I'm trying to bring people together. I'm trying to have my mission, my purpose is so much greater. I'm trying to do some good. The OG Ree Fletcher, that's my mom. That's the lady who kept me from

being completely retarded as a kid. The OG Ree Fletcher Heart Foundation, you know, I started a, uh, nonprofit organization named my mom and it's to people because a transplant is a very i mean a lot of people if it wasn't for the army if it wasn't for me being a veteran there's no way i could afford a transplant it's a million dollar procedure yeah i didn't have a fucking million dollars sure it's so but there's other even if you have insurance there's other things that comes up you know say the the head of the family has to have a transplant a heart transplant he's out But there's other, even if you have insurance, there's other things that comes up. Say the head of the family has to have a transplant, a heart transplant. He's out.

Okay, his medical bills are taken care of, but what about how's his wife going to pay the mortgage? How's she going to buy gas? How's she going to feed the kids? I started the OJ Reflector Heart Foundation to help people with that, to help the mom who's still at home, who still has to pay the bills and stuff, because insurance doesn't cover everything. To help the people that don't, you know, I haven't even had my first event or anything like that. I just paid a lawyer to get the name and stuff. But I have to start. You got to start somewhere.

And that's started. I had the vision in my head. I'm going to do something for my mom so her memory will go on. Even after I'm dead and gone, the OJ Reflected Heart Foundation will still be around. I'm going to do something to honor her

because that woman, everything I am is because of her. So I want to do something to honor her. I just got all these things I want to do to help my veterans and PTSD. I got so many goals and stuff to live for, Joe. I don't know what to do. And I don't know how much time I got to do it.

I could walk out of here and drop dead. I don't know. But I'm going to be goddamn sure I'm not going to waste one second of it. I'm going to be trying. I'm on the Joe Rogan show and i'm talking joe rogan podcast and i'm talking about it right now so i'm doing something about it joe well it's don't know where it is it's beautiful to see your transformation man it's beautiful to see this evolution for you as a person and it's beautiful to see that you got through this you know terrible scare but came

out a better person. Oh, man. Yeah, it's something else. I remember the last time we were talking, I said, yeah, they told me I need a heart transplant. You're like, a heart transplant? Oh, my God, dude. Are you scared? I'm like, no, I'm not scared. But it's something else, man.

It's crazy to see you a year later. Yeah. Now you have it. Yep. And you're just this different human, man. Yeah. And I'm back on the Joe Rogan. Hey, Joe.

Thank you, man. My pleasure. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for being you. It was so many people come up to me and tell me that, you know, I found out about you from the Joe Rogan podcast. From the Joe Rogan podcast. That's how I know even who you are.

So this opportunity, the opportunity you gave me last time, opened up so many more doors, man. And so to be back on here, I can't thank you enough, man. This is fantastic. Well, listen, brother, it's my pleasure. And for people that are listening that have never heard you before or watching, you got to go watch his videos. I can't thank you enough man this is fantastic well listen brother it's my pleasure and for people that are listening that have never heard you before or watching you gotta go watch his videos this is the reason why you got on the first place I got so inspired by your shit and seeing you online with these these videos and this just shows your passion and your motivation and now to

see you this new person on top of that still still have the passion. But now you're like this new enlightened C.T. Fletcher. It's beautiful to see, man. A lot of people are going to get a good laugh for that. You are, man. I could tell the moment I saw you today. It's like you got a different energy about you. It's really interesting. Oh, man.

I was so happy to see you. I'm so happy to see you, too, man. I'm so happy to see you. I'm so happy to see you, too, man. I'm so happy to see this new lease on life you have. Oh, my God, Joe. I was just very happy to see you, Joe. And look, I'm alive, Joe. You're alive, man. You're alive.

Yeah. And getting better every day. And getting better and talking shit and stronger every day. Tell people how to get a hold of you on social media. What is your Instagram? You know what? CTFletcher.com. That's all they got to know.

CTFletcher for everything. Go there. CTFletcher.com. You can find everything and search him out on YouTube. Everything. Signal Hill. Iron Addicts Gym. And then when you do open up a new one, please let me know.

And we'll absolutely let everybody know where. and we'll get there for the grand opening and blow that motherfucker up. Hey, Dr. Dre, if you're listening, I want you there, man. Dr. Dre, he's going to run that hill. Yeah. Oh, I promise you, Dr. Dre, I'm going to make it up that hill. I believe it. Thank you, brother.

I appreciate you, man. I really appreciate you. I really appreciate you. C.T. Fletcher, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, sir. That was awesome. I appreciate you, man. I really appreciate you. I really appreciate you. C.T. Fletcher, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, sir. That was awesome. I have no idea. Thank you.