The Joe Rogan Experience - #1300 - Michael Malice

Episode Date: May 20, 2019

Michael Malice is an author and also hosts a podcast called “Your Welcome with Michael Malice” available on Spotify. His new book called "The New Right" is available now.

Boom here we go what's up buddy how are you good to see you great good to be here we were talking before the podcast about uh people who get mad when i have you on like as if you're some sort of a monster if you're you're a mean person we were just saying you're a new york jew you're snarky you say funny things but this idea that you're a nazi or something like people have gotten so i like that this is this icebreaker hey welcome to my show by the way why do people that you're a Nazi or something, like people have gotten so crazy. I like that this is this icebreaker. Hey, welcome to my show. By the way, why do people think you're a Nazi? Because someone sent me,

I don't read comments on Twitter, but someone sent me something like, are you having this guy on today? And I'm like, that is so hilarious. I go, this guy is, yeah, there's some shit you say I don't agree with. Sure. You're very reasonable and very intelligent.

Yeah, the last chapter of the book is me arguing with the Nazis. Conversation, folks. folks it's not bad it's not bad to talk i i well it's kind of for them a religious thing right if someone is a sinner you can't acknowledge them they have to be outside of the fort that's a good way to look at it that is what it is you know what's interesting it's i know these people don't mean to do this This is not their plan But if you wanted to keep Donald Trump in office The way the people that oppose Donald Trump are behaving

Is the perfect way to keep him in office If you tell high schoolers If you smoke Your parents are going to get upset And the teachers are going to get upset That's the biggest Cigarette commercial right? Right?

So you tell these kids, hey, if you go to these websites and read these books, then your parents and the establishment and the teachers are all going to be afraid of you. Well, sign me up. I mean, it's as simple as that. It's the same exact psychology

and they're driving people to the fringe. They are. And the deplatforming thing is fascinating because the way this stuff works folks is when people get de-platformed the first people that'll get de-platformed are people that you agree with getting de-platformed people like you know like a real nazi like someone who's an avowed white supremacy like yeah de-platform that guy and then it's a little slippery because then it's like this guy's a suspected nazi or guy is friends with a Nazi or this guy had a Nazi on his show.

This guy had a white supremacist on his show. This guy had a guy who thinks it's okay to be white on his show. And then it gets – as it gets more and more progressive, it gets more and more preposterous. But it really is grades. Once you accept one grade, then you drop below in a little bit more preposterous, and it really is grades. Once you accept one grade, then you drop below in a little bit more preposterous, and then that's acceptable, and then a little bit more, and then that becomes acceptable. And it's a double standard between people who are orthodox and people who are unorthodox. Barbara Walters sat down with Castro. She sat down with Gaddafi, who's killed how many

people? That's fine. You could sit down with the murderous dictator if you're Gaddafi. If you sit down with someone on a podcast with someone who has all point of views, that is somehow different. Well, it's a new thing. Right. There's a platforming and deplatforming and you putting this guy on your platform. Like all this kind of communication is very new. It just didn't exist. No one was saying that to Mike Wallace. No one was saying that as you're saying to Barbara Walters.

That was my argument to the data and society lady. Oh, Jesus. I said, Barbara Walters interviewed Fidel Castro. Does that make her a communist? Right. I interviewed Milo. Am I a gay conservative provocateur now? Are you?

I don't think so. Need to go to a doctor. Well, I mean, what they're trying to do is, thanks to social media, they no longer have a monopoly. And I don't mean they, I just mean like orthodox thought. I just mean left wing or right wing. Orthodox thought no longer has a monopoly on the microphone. And that's very dangerous if you want to basically set the boundaries of what acceptable discourse is. Same thing with, forget politics, talk about music, right?

If you want to say, you shouldn't have lyrics like this, people shouldn't dance like this, they shouldn't dress a certain way, this is what they would like. I mean, back in the 90s, you remember, they'd had the warning labels on CDs and says, this has explicit lyrics. And that way, Walmart could, with clean hands, say, we're not being involved in politics, we're following their rules. So, that's what this Data Society lady is trying to do. It's like, okay, I'm giving you target, whatever company and excuse, these are the people

you don't need to deal with. And then they could say, well, it's not up to us. We're looking at this from an external point of view. Well, and also my perspective on it is that there's certain subjects, I think that we can all agree, we need to cover and we need to deal with in terms of laws and in terms of the way the government is run. But a lot of these disagreements aren't on that. A lot of these disagreements seem to be just on political ideologies and like liberal versus conservative ideologies. And people think differently. They have different styles of behavior and thinking this is why like if you had a station that played hip-hop and all of a sudden you just got a bunch of arrows from the songs playing you'd

be like what the fuck is this this is not what i want get this off the station except for walk this way that's good well the one with run dmc yeah that's the one exception that was one exception but it that that's sort of how a lot of people seem to be approaching conservative versus progressive thinking is it's like once you have this mindset you don't want to hear other opinions as if they're going to influence you or if you don't like the way they sound you don't like what they're doing and you want to get them off the channel and this is what it seems like is happening with social media platforms right because these social media platforms are like we're a country station we don't play heavy metal get that shit off our network like we are a progressive network we don't play conservative get that stuff off well if they

had said that we're a progressive network we play conservative that would be honest and fair but the claim is no we are banning people who are doing x y Y, and Z. Yeah, and for people that are like, oh my God, they're talking about this again. Fuckers, listen, this is really important shit. This is going to decide how we, this didn't exist before, okay? And now it does. Now we have this unbelievable ability to communicate.

And I'm enjoying it right now, talking to you, right? We're all enjoying it if you're tweeting about this or writing comments about this. But if this really branches off until one side gets to do it and one side doesn't we're gonna have a fucking tremendous problem in this country if you think that this problem that we have right now when it's it's just starting to be an issue over the last couple years if you think that this is what this could escalate it's like a serious conflict which i mean almost like it's it's absolutely reasonable to think that violence could come out of this well the trump presidency was the escalation before trump it was okay fake news was this

left idea that like this you know these news sites are putting out lies you you're if your point of view is different to mine it's not just wrong it's illegitimate right and a lot of people in that boating booth and said you want illegitimacy okay i'm voting for donald trump for president and now he's in the white house so for you to say that for people to say that these ideas you know are evil and shouldn't be discussed those are separate concepts because even if you think they're evil if from your point of view it's in the white house are you going to pretend this isn't the most powerful man in the world it's there's a big contradiction there but one of the things progressivism offers many people is this idea of truth and certainty knowing you're

one of the good guys and knowing you're in the majority and when you find that that is not always true i think that causes some cognitive stress yeah no i would absolutely agree with that i just think there's a real problem that's happening now with some of the accounts that I'm seeing getting banned. Without reason. Without reason for things that are like parody accounts. Carpe donctum. Sorry to interrupt you. He's the one who made this great meme during the State of the Union where he had President Trump and all the footage from the State of the Union of the Democrats looking pissed.

And he put it over the song Everybody Hurts. Right? This two-minute video. It's a joke. It's funny. You could see that on Saturday Night Live. You don't have to be Republican or Democrat to laugh at sourpusses.

They got a copyright strike because it's like you don't have the right to use the music. Trump had retweeted it. He put out another one. He just got suspended for a week. He did the video for my book.

So they don't, here's the thing. If someone is a name, you can say, hey, delete this tweet. It violates our guidelines, right? You give them warnings. You could call their manager. They don't do that. You're just vanished overnight. And there's something very Soviet about this because when they vanish you, your entire archives get vanished too. And it's like, wait a minute, this person's bad and dangerous. Don't you want to show other people as an example of what to avoid? Like this will get you banned so you can modify your behavior accordingly but what they

want apparently it looks like what they want is for everyone to be self-centering yes and to be afraid and that way it's like uh instead of saying we're censorious it's like you made that decision on your own well i know trump has been talking about this now because it affects so many people that are his supporters right now and he's's been discussing the idea that these people need to abide by the First Amendment. And then there's your argument. Well, either they're a private company, they can put on whatever they want, and they can decide whatever they want, or they're protected by the First Amendment. Sure. You know, I had Tulsi Gabbard on the other day.

I love her. I love her, too. I asked her to do my show, she wouldn't reply Really? Yeah Why? I don't know, she didn't reply I don't know On Compound Media?

On Gas Digital Oh, you're on Gas Digital That's even more disgusting than Compound Media That's the problem In all the good ways In all the good ways Listen, I love Lewis I love all those guys

I know But they're savages So she's probably like, oh, fuck Like, I'm savage adjacent Like, I'll have those guys on but they're savages. She's probably like, oh, fuck. I'm savage adjacent. I'll have those guys on. You know what I mean? I have officially gotten permission that the room we all record in is called the gas chamber. Oh, Jesus.

Yeah, you can say that. I can say that. Yeah, you're allowed. Yeah. You got that privilege. Yeah, that's privilege. True privilege, yeah. Yeah, maybe she will.

I'll tell her about it. But she was on. Her and I are besties. Yeah, we're super tight. I really do respect the shit out of her. I really do. I'd love to call her Madam President. I think that would be dope.

She's smart, man. She's so measured. I mean, she doesn't have all the answers. I mean, some of the things that she says are things that you say. Sure. We're going to have to work to create more jobs. That kind of talk is like politician talk. And I go, okay, well, what would that mean?

And we'll have to figure that out. And I think she's sincere. But these answers don't really exist, like how to fix inner cities. These are some of the big issues that she discussed. We talked about horrible neighborhoods that have always been horrible. How is this? We're going to fucking Afghanistan and trying to fix that yeah and we're not trying to fix chicago the south side of chicago what's happening there why are so many people getting shot how come we can't fix you know it's funny back in the day they had something called slum clearance and the idea was if you tear down these old buildings and build new

buildings somehow the crime's gonna go away and this was a big movement. It's just like, yeah, it's the building's fault. It's the fucking haunted houses people live in. They have decades and decades of crack and bullets flying through them. That's so crazy. No, but she's great because she, my biggest issue is anti-war. Yes.

And anyone for me whose first priority isn't let's stop killing people, that I'm a fan of. Yeah, and she's also a veteran. Yeah. 16 years. Yeah, yeah. I'm a big fan.

But, you know, I think this country needs more. You know, we need real plans. We need, like, someone – the way we engineer software systems, you know, search engines, operating systems for cell phones. They should engineer society. I mean, we should really be looking at it in terms of the potential for prosperity, opportunity, all these different things that we don't cover. We just sort of leave so much up to chance because we buy the bullshit.

I mean, I think we all know at this point that not everyone's on an even playing field. We're just not, but we don't think there's anything. I don't think a lot of people know that. Well, they're fucking crazy. And that's the problem.

Yeah. Yes. They're fucking crazy. If you don't think that being born in a crime ridden neighborhood with violence all around you and being exposed to that at an early age, fucks your head up. I don't even mean that. I think the fact that to admit that a lot of people aren't hardworking. yeah there's that too and like to say that out there is shocking to many people

it's like yeah some people are bad some people think that just because they show up at work and they don't want to that they're working hard right right it's hard for them yeah you fucking you just got lucky or you do that you know what i read that was one of the more hilarious things that I've ever heard of a crazy progressive person, right? If you are successful, it is because someone else got fucked over. That's so disturbing. But it's such a crazy way to look at it. It's like, okay, somewhere down the chain. If you have an iPhone, someone got fucked over.

Someone lost their iPhone. No, but you bought it. But that's the logic, right? No, no, no, no. got fucked over that is someone lost their iphone but that's the logic right no no no the logic is someone had to work as a slave in foxconn to make these fucking iphones for like 15 cents a week or whatever they make over there but if that slave wasn't making 15 cents a week that slave would be dead that's what they're not missing it's squirrely right because but yeah but is that okay like when they go to third world countries and set up these sweatshops and uh like i knew someone

who had one and they were like doing fucking mental gymnastics to try to justify and i was like wait a minute how much do you pay these people and they're like they were gonna starve to death if it wasn't for us my are you sure they were there right they were there they've probably been there for thousands of years like where'd you go like guatemala where was it argentina like where you said i'll give you two examples That are Maybe I can't speak to Specific Second world examples North Korea

Which is obviously my beat Yeah that's your beat So there is A Zone Between North and South Korea Where they work together DMZ motherfucker

No but it's like this Enrichment zone In your case Where they work together Right So the North Koreans work there The South Koreans kind of Put it together

And the government takes Like 95%? Right. So the North Koreans work there. The South Koreans kind of put it together. Oh. And the government takes like 95% of your money. And also North Koreans who work in Russian logging camps where the government takes like 95% of your money. They're slaves. They're 100% slaves. Wow. But they're beating down their doors to work in these locations because they're providing for their family and they're still wealthier than the alternative. Now, this is a very extreme situation. This isn't like, I don't know, third world, what country your friend has a sweatshop in,

but there are circumstances where a lot of people on the left and on the right don't understand often that politics and economics is about often you have two bad choices. Like, what is the alternative? It's like, for example, you're going to put forth a law. What are you going to do about people who are going to look at this law not in good faith like there was that guy was named zumi zudi who said i'm trans and he just made that video oh zubi zubi yeah he just broke the woman's deadlift reference like i'm a woman here we go by the way they took those uh records away from that australian woman that used to be a guy that was australia right wasn't the world the power lifting women's world record she broke like three of them so not even about trans stuff

it's like what do you do with any law when someone is going to act in bad faith and if you can't account for that you're not being uh uh responsible with your proposal yeah this isn't even a law though what we're talking about with the trans athletes. It's just loopholes. It's just some weird – people don't want to be seen as transphobic in today's climate, so they're allowing preposterous things. What was that like for you when you were talking – I remember when you were talking to Adam on this show, that got pretty heated. Oh, yeah, Adam ruins everything?

Yeah. Yeah. It didn't get heated. We just – I mean, I never got upset. We absolutely disagreed. But he had some crazy notions about competition that didn't make any sense either. Like that somehow or another, the sports are designed to favor men. What?

Yeah, it didn't make any sense. It was a lot of it was progressive rehashing, in my opinion. I mean, I think it sounded good to him but i don't know how much actual thought he's put into it what's actually interesting is like in his show he's well researched and no one's opposing these this data that he's putting out so he gets to say these things it's one of the problems with like writing a blog or making a video about something where no one goes actually that's not really true this is why that's not true let me explain and this is why you're wrong and now

continue see when you can just go on these long unchecked rants that's where you get like flat earth believers that's what that shit's from because they watch those videos yeah and they go oh this makes sense but this is why it's so important that unorthodox voices don't get deplatformed because even if that person is putting forth things that are completely full of shit, their criticism and their perspective, they might have some truth in it.

And at the very least, like when I was at Charlottesville and I talked to these people, by talking to them, it makes me think through why do I believe what I believe? Why is my truth the actual truth? And I'm going to be challenged on my views and I'm going to have a better grounding for them

as opposed to like you're saying, if I'm sitting here just giving a monologue and no one ever calls me out of my bullshit. Yeah, I think I see what you're saying. And I think what they think is you have to silence these bad voices like the anti-vax movement. That's a big one, right?

Now people are saying you got to silence anti- so they're taking anti-vax videos down. They're taking anti-vax movement that's a big one right now people are saying you got to silence anti so they're taking anti-vax videos down they're taking anti-vax pages down you know i don't know how much they actually know about the science you know i don't i mean vaccines are incredible for health in terms of what they've done to protect us from diseases they've stopped smallpox they've stopped polio and when you see these outbreaks of measles that is a direct result of people not getting vaccinated you know does that mean that no one's ever been hurt by vaccines no no it doesn't man there's a vaccine court people been injured people have died that's a fact but that's i think just a part of medical procedures and human beings.

I mean, a lot of kids die every year from circumcision. Yeah. They get infections. They lose their penises. Yeah, it's very common. Like, way more common in terms of, like, the numbers per year than you would ever want to hear. Oh, God. Okay.

People die from things. They get infections. People have allergic reactions to certain chemicals but then the problem is now those vaxxers can say we're being covered up yeah now they're honest it's the truth they are being covered they are being covered up yeah so it's very it's i would think the problem is who's right and who's wrong like if if you're a person and you have a child and you're terrified can you go to these websites like oh my God, I don't want my kid to get autism. But they're saying that vaccines cause autism.

I'm not vaccinating my kid. I'm not going to take the chance. And that's where a lot of it comes in. If you watch those videos and you watch a video that's not done by a scientist, that's not up to date on what we know about what caused it. Like I had Peter Hotez on who's very knowledgeable about vaccines and very knowledgeable about diseases in general. And he was describing what they think the causes of autism are, how it takes place in the womb, and how what's most likely happening is just expressing itself at the same time that the kid's getting vaccinated. And you're correlating the two things together. Well, there's also the movement of not regarding autism as a problem or or dorakota you know children of deaf

adults you know you have these parents whose kids are deaf and they refuse to get them cochlear implants to give them the ability here because they think that's losing deaf culture now to me you never heard this no this is a thing yeah yeah just everything is a thing because well you see, when you think about it for a few seconds, you can understand where they're coming from, because you want to be like, well, you're saying I'm bad because I'm deaf, and I'm just like... But then you hear people that are like trans disabled. Do you know what that is? Is that what... Where they cut their hand off because they feel like they're supposed to have no hand?

No. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. See, these things, this is what I'm saying. Like, they're all, I'm lumping them all together. Because what they are is all of them are these weird variables when it comes to human behavior and thinking and patterns and biology. All these weird variables where you get so many numbers. And if you have all these people, 300 whatever million we have in this country, you're going gonna have a few thousand of almost every fucking

variable every weird variable good lord good lord yeah all i know is the politics the health stuff i don't even want to wade into that dude i was why i was there was an old uh website that i was going to um what was that body modification extreme remember that guy bme he died what the lizard guy no the cat guy his name was shannon shannon laureate is how you say his name but bme body modification extreme was the website and he and i became like uh pen pals going back like he he sent me some stuff on i i wrote something once about body modification like what kind of weird shit people do and he's like hey man if you ever have any questions feel free to ask me.

This is my website. He sent me a password to his website because it was like one of those things you had to pay for a membership. And I was like, holy shit. You go to this website and it's just – it was just – this was in the 90s, okay? And the most freakish, weirdest fucking body modifications and there's a whole culture behind it people putting horns on their heads and doing weird shit to their skin making it bulge out and tattooing their whole face my friend melissa she had magnets implanted on her fingers i don't know why well you never know what how would i think the magnets well you have to pick things up you don't want to close

your hand what the fuck is wrong with tree frogs magnets well people think that magnet like wear magnets as a wristband it's supposed to be good for you. Cures autism. You get the vaccine, then you get the magnet. You know, it sounds stupid, but they use magnetic therapy for veterans that have PTSD and CTE because there's areas of the brain that can actually stimulate with these very powerful magnets. Kat Zingano, UFC um fighter she went down there when she was having uh some serious uh repercussions from her fight with amanda nunez she got really

battered badly in the first round and her hormones were out of whack for months afterwards she was all fucked up her cortisol levels were all fucked up and finally she went and got some like her sparring was off her timing was off she was like I just have to rush people. I didn't have any sense of timing. Yeah, she was having real problems with her brain. And they fixed it. They fixed it with magnets. These electromagnetic pulse, I'm just saying words that I don't understand. So if you're a scientist, you're like, what the fuck are you saying?

There's a scientist tweeting at you feverishly right now. You're spreading lies. Listen, angry scientists, I'm with you. I'm retarded Listen They throw these These waves At the brain

And somehow Or another These electromagnetic waves Stimulate areas Of the mind And it actually Forces brain cells To grow

And forces Neural connections It's really interesting stuff Kat Zingano Explained it pretty Pretty in depth But it really helped her So it's weird that a magnet would work

for that. But those are like really strong ones. The little ones around your wrist. No, that's the same thing. But it might. I mean, I don't know. What the fuck do I know? Yeah, well, I'm not spending the $24.99 on that fucking bracelet. Yeah, but it's got an English guy that's selling it. That's how you know it's legit.

It comes with a mop. It comes with a free chamois. Remember the chamois guy? He's dead, isn't he? Yeah, didn't he get bit? He's Israeli. Did he get bit by a hooker? Oh, no know it's legit. And it comes with a mop. It comes with a free chamois. Remember the chamois guy? He's dead, isn't he? Yeah, didn't he get bit? He's Israeli. Did he get bit by a hooker? Oh, no, it's the other one who got... The OxyClean guy's dead.

Billy, whatever. Oh, yeah, he's dead. Chamois is alive. Yeah, Billy was tooting up. Yeah. Is that what it was? Yeah, he had a lot of coke in his system, apparently. Didn't he?

Oh. He's cutting with OxyClean? He had a heart attack, right? Oh. Listen, man, you got that oxy money That'll clean your sinuses up You want to party Who's probably had

A yellow Lamborghini A dick implant Just kidding I made that part up I'm sure he was a great guy Wasn't he in the middle Of doing a television show They were doing a television show

About him Yeah he was Well he had the pitchman It was like a sitcom Or something It was like a Reality show Yeah reality type show

Where they're following them around doing pitches and stuff. There's an art to that shit. Those guys, he got me to buy. He was in Shark Tank before them. I think they were helping people do stuff, sort of. Like Kitchen Nightmares? Yeah, I'm friends with the son. Oh.

The Shark Tank son? No, Billy Mays. You're friends with Billy Mays' son? Yeah, I went to school with him. I'm sorry I said all that stuff. What's his son's name? I was just joking around. Is it Billy Mays Jr.?

Yeah. Don't shout him out. He's the third. Oh, the third. He's probably mad. We're talking about his dad. I'm sure Billy Mays was a good guy. But didn't he?

He's your friend. Whatever. Yeah. That's why he couldn't respond. Anyway, dude was partying. The ShamWow guy was the guy who got bit. I don't know It's hard to be tracking

I actually think he bit someone What? Yeah He bit someone Like Marv Albert? Did Marv Albert bite someone? Yeah Did he bite the lady?

I thought she bit him too I don't know I get my stories all confused When it comes to dudes Biting Too many vaccines That's your problem Yes it is

Man They saved me from the measles But They got into a big fight With uh They made me dumber What happened Oh there it is

Oh god Oh he bit her It's happened a few times I think ShamWow Pitchman Brutal beatdown Yeah So they just went to war

Oh my god He did that to her eyes Is that real I don't know I mean That might not be real That looks like makeup though That looks crazy

That's like smoky Yeah no It didn't look like makeup to me It was so symmetrical It's like black eyes That's what happens When you get Yeah, no, it didn't look like makeup to me. It was so symmetrical. It looks like black eyes. That's what happens when you get smashed in the nose. But that's the look with the makeup, you know?

She had his tongue, and so he started punching her until she released his tongue. Oh, my God. In her hand or in her mouth? His tongue, and he's punching her in the face. Oh, my God. People are crazy. That's meth, right? Is that a guess? What's involved there?

No, it's something crazier than meth. Really? Like PCP? Or like bath salts. Oh, remember that? If you're grabbing someone's tongue, it's bath salts. I think bath salts were meth, though. No.

Yeah, I think it was. I think what it was was meth with the – I think they altered a molecule so that it doesn't fall into the protected Schedule I drug. See, you can do things like that. Like that's why DMT was illegal, but 5-methoxy-DMT wasn't, which is actually stronger. And what's that? They missed that one. Here it goes. What's that drug the last 10 minutes? What is this? Bath salts? Well, first of all, here's another thing. I think

there's a bunch of different kinds of bath salts. For sure. Yeah, for sure. You got the lavender. You got the potpourri. You got the lemon. But I mean, nobody, I don't think anybody has a patent. You can't call that bath salts Wait come on

I barely got high on that It's bath salts Because of the name Bathion No no no The bath salts Is because they were selling it In stores as bath salts Not for human consumption

Wink wink No but you just pulled it up It looked like the chemical was Bathion No Cath Oh I misread it Okay But what I'm saying is

They labeled it bath salts So they could sell it But everybody what I'm saying is they labeled it bath salts so they could sell it but everybody knew it was meth they're like hey man there's bath salts over there you should try smoking that but isn't that how salvia was around for a long time

salvia was around for the same reason 5-methoxy-DMT was around they missed it in the sweeping schedule 1 drug act of 1970 okay

they missed that one it was two of the most potent ones they missed salvia divinorum and 5-methoxy-DMT and that's why they're always changing it was two of the most potent ones they missed salvia divinorum and 5-methoxy dmt and that's why they're always changing it because if it's slightly different then you could say something exactly so see if you find that like bath salts is meth because someone there was a guy there was a guy who got a who's a homeless guy there i think they shot him he was biting someone's face off in florida yeah you remember that yeah and they said that he was on bath salts that's the first time i heard of it yeah

and i think someone said that it was meth that he was like that cat stuff there's but it's like you were saying it's just a bunch of different things they can call it whatever they want that are made with oh methadrone so it is a potpourri how appropriate you could basically sell whatever you want if you're selling it as not for human consumption. And also, they probably put smell into it so they can say, no, it's bad salt. It's really bad salt. You know, they probably threw some fucking... They had like a little cat and mouse game going on for a while where they would have...

The same thing was going on with that K2 spice stuff. It was like illegal weed because they had synthetic THC they were spraying all over and whatnot. That stuff's supposed to be terrible for you, right? Oh, it's awful, yeah. Way worse for you than actual. But they would outlaw one little chemical and then those guys would figure out, okay, tweak it and make it TH379. Okay, and now next week is 380 and they just would keep doing it every single week literally. And by the way, that's the same shit that they did with steroids,

with like the clear, when Barry Bonds and all those guys, that Balco scandal, that's what all that stuff was about. Oh, they just changed the points out for drugs. Move some stuff around a little, and then it doesn't show up in the test because it's not the thing you're looking for. The way it's been explained to me is a lot of tests for things are very specific. So when they're testing for something and it's just a little bit off it's like you test negative for it but it has a similar result or approximate result

in a different way huh yeah i will say though with the bath salts people were breaking into any place that had them gas stations any store that had bath salts if they think they had them what your windows are being broken your doors are being broken yeah you're not gonna have that it's meth tomorrow that's that yeah those are meth heads that's meth head activity jesus christ do you know did you ever know anybody there's a meth head no yeah i haven't known a few people uh it's weird to see because it's so visual the results well not always that's what's interesting what you're seeing when you see people that are completely fucked up and picking the skin off their face and they weigh five pounds and they're falling apart that is worst case scenario there's some people that i

would call functional meth heads and what these people are people that are on amphetamines every day or almost every day they're constantly on amphetamines and some of them get prescribed by doctors. They get really irrational. They start thinking that everyone's out to get them. They get real mean and nasty towards other people, very defensive. They're always attacking and thinking they're persecuted, thinking that someone's attacking them. It's very strange.

And these people could function like this for years, years and years. And you get the same with Adderall addicts. Yeah, that's just speed isn't it same thing yeah it's very similar to meth it's amphetamines right it's just a different release like what adderall is duncan trussell has a great joke he's like as if as a scientist took cocaine and went i can fix this I can fix this And it just makes people Talkative and aggressive And insulting and mean And it highlights

Some of the worst aspects of people The bitchy pettiness I love that stuff That's my bread and butter But it's not the way you do it You do it with a smile Oh thank you That's true Snarky People need it's not the way you do it. You do it with a smile. Oh, thank you. That's true.

Snarky. People need to be having more fun. Yeah. But your positions are always, even if I don't agree with them, they're rational. I see your thought process. I see where you're going. Well, thank you. That's a huge compliment.

That's not a method. Well, yeah. Method is like, what are you saying? The Jews are doing what? What's happening with the Nazis or what? The big one I get, I interviewed a Nazi for the book, and I said to him, I go, look, what am I supposed to do when your people come at me and say, the only reason you care about North Korea and its concentration camps is because they're anti-Israel?

And he goes, what do you want me to tell you? There's idiots in every group. And I'm like, all right, fair answer. Because they're anti-Israel and he goes what do you want me to tell you there's idiots in every group and i'm like all right fair answer because they're anti-israel jesus like when you think about the idea that israel is with north korea is just like absolutely amazing but i get that online people connect everything right people that are really into the nutty conspiracies there's a network of connections and then if you're not talking about it what they think is the most important issue you're clearly being dishonest because it's the most important issue. It must be a shill.

Yes. All that time over there in Korea. Interesting. I did bring up Israel once. How's that? For an American to be over there in North Korea. Hey, I wanted to talk to you about this. I don't know if you know anything about it.

What? this i don't know if you know anything about it but um essentially uh google has pulled the plug on huawei today meaning they're no longer uh allowing android updates on huawei phones and they're not allowing the google app to work on on huawei phones or excuse me the gmail app to work on huawei phones if you had an old huawei phone with the Gmail app, you're fine. But going forward, no Huawei phones will be allowed to have Gmail anymore. What's the reasoning? It's a very good question. Marcus Brownlee, Marcus has been on the show before, and he's probably one of my favorite, if not my favorite, tech reviewer on YouTube. He had a point about it.

He put it up on his Twitter twitter and then i followed the feed he's like this is very important i follow the feed and there's tech people they're saying there is no reason for this there's no evidence they're not pointing to anything but then when i talk to people that are experts in foreign policy and they explain the way china works and china's relationship between the government and industry how they're inexorably connected and the oh yes every business works for the government they were saying no there's a reason why they're doing this like there's a these guys are playing this real long game and to aid them in any way is extraordinarily bad for our country yeah i had uh marion smith from the museum of communism on my show and uh since my focus north korea i wasn't that much focus China. And he and we all think in the West that, you know, China's gotten

so much better than it was, which is true. But he goes, it's still really, really, really bad. And one of the big, I think, fair criticisms of the corporate press is how much they're focused on Putin and Russia. And it's like, you're calling him a dictator, the shit they're pulling in China is an order of magnitude worse. And something that they're doing now, they stole from North Korea. North Korea has something called Songbun. And everyone- Songbun? S-O-N-G-B-U-N, Songbun.

Everyone in North Korea got interviewed, and there were several iterations of this, and you got a score based on your family. So if your family was born in South Korea or a priest or a landowner, that's a low score. If your grandfather fought with the great leader Kim Il-sung, that's a high score. It's divided into favored class, wavering, and hostile. And there's like 51 subcategories. And this determines everything about your life, where you live, where you go to college. And China is now starting to do this.

They're trying to implement a social credit system based on your loyalty to the government which will allow things like leaving the country and all sorts of other opportunities and that's scary scary stuff and that's what needs to be i think covered much more in the west the problem with that is it becomes like a game and people are going to want to have a really high score of course that's it people are so weird when it comes to score in games but we get so but you have to have a high score or else you're not getting food or a job. Right, right, right. Yeah, but it's also like people covet it. Oh, but they don't tell you your score.

Oh, Jesus. You have to intimate it. Oh, yeah. That's even scarier. Oh, yeah, yeah. So you got to fly right. So you're always nervous. That's what they want.

You're always nervous. It's not transparency. Self-censoring as well yes right it forces a system of self-censoring like twitter yes are you saying that twitter is like china did you say that twitter's like communism in those words yes no we got a ways to go for communism some of the techniques they use are very disturbingly totalitarian yes disturbingly so and the other thing is yes they are a private company it's it's funny how the left is like as soon as you criticize twitter they're a private company they can do what they want but any other private company whatever a private company can be criticized and if you know you're perfectly appropriate in a free market to say what you're doing is

screwed up and give us answers or we're going to use another company i think when i talked to about this, one of the things that he was saying is that they're considering an open Twitter. Like they're going to have Twitter where it's like a safe neighborhood and Twitter where it's like the wild west. Okay. And I said, please do that. Yeah. I said, please do that. You know, I mean, there's ways to block people. There's ways to avoid people.

I block people liberally. You know what's weird though? Block lists. When you haven't even had an interaction with someone it's like a blacklist yeah and you go to their page and they're blocked you're just blocked just someone no reasons people have block lists for anyone who follows president trump yeah and it's like if i'm a journalist yeah i sure as hell better be following the fucking president right i know what he's saying first of all he says hilarious shit yes on the reg look he does what's your favorite

trump tweet rocket man when he was calling my favorite one hold on kim john owned rocket man what's the the one about um the haters and the losers yes that's a great one but he did that before he was president yeah but it's 2013 it's still my favorite trump tweet by far oh yeah every time i speak of the haters and losers i I do so with great love and affection. They cannot help the fact that they were born fucked up. I would like if he said that now as president. I know. That's one thing he's really done a great job as president, not swearing.

Yeah. It's amazing. Well, did you see what CNN did to him? During the campaign, he said, boy, that's really up. So he didn't say it. They played the clip and they bleeped him. Yes, we talked about this before. Yeah, it's very dishonest.

Yeah. They bleeped it to make it look like he said something that he didn't. But he's cursing a blue streak in the White House anyway. We all know this. But it's funny. I like it. I think that part is funny. I'm not happy with a lot of what's going on, but I'm very happy that he's this ridiculous person because it's funny.

And I think it's very healthy for us to have less reverence for the president because when a president's on a pedestal, he's in a position to send our sons and daughters to die. Whereas if you look at him as a clown, you're going to be much more skeptical of is this man going to war for the right reasons? Is he doing these things for the right reasons? And I think think that's very and that's what the founding fathers wanted too they didn't want the president to be looked at as a god yeah that's an interesting point that i think you're correct and i think this idea that it's behavior unfitting for a president that's what we're thinking that a president is a special person right special job and they'll act accordingly like a gentleman and they're human beings it's a stupid job it's a ridiculous job for anyone and you saw biden went after trump and says oh being

presidential is always yeah by definition he's always being presidential because he's the fucking president and you're not well biden's a weird guy man do you see all those videos him sniffing all those kids oh what is that about i mean it could just be a sweet old grandpa but you know some sweet old grandpas don't want to fuck kids they do do that the i mean it could just be a sweet old grandpa but you know some sweet old grandpas don't want to fuck kids they do do that the thing is it would in a sense be make more sense to people if he was just like handsy right it's like okay you're all right right this is like i don't even know where to put this right where do you put sniffing yeah it's a fucking weird thing he's just a weird guy did you know about um the the plagiarism from

back when he was running for president he ran three times yeah i think he's fucked in the primary because his track record is pathetic so the first time he ran was an 88 cycle right he announces in july he has to fold by september because this plagiarism scandal right he runs again in 08 comes in like what, what, 6th in Iowa? Has to pull. So in terms of his history of running for presidency, it's been very, very poor. He's a good backup, man.

Right, right. He's a steady, reliable result, yeah. Stay the fuck out. They're going to eat him alive. It's ugly. It's going to be ugly. You're going to hate it, bro, and you're not going to win. I don't think he's going to win.

He's the frontrunner. I mean, you look at the Democratic polls in terms of the Democrats. You know who was the frontrunner at this point in 2003? Who? Joe Lieberman. Ah, Joe Lieberman. Because he was the vice president

of Canada from Gore. Everyone knew his name. What happened with that guy? He lost. But where'd he go? He went right, didn't he? He lost the primary in his state of Connecticut.

Then he ran as an independent Democrat. Won again. Reelected. He killed universal healthcare lost the primary in his state of connecticut then he ran as an independent democrat won again uh by the way i was elected he killed universal health care because they needed 60 votes and he's like fuck you we're not doing it so they had to have this obamacare market system it's because of him and now everyone hates him didn't he turn into a republican though no no but he endorsed it became a nazi joe lieberman joe lieberman and ben shapiro are the new nazis yeah the new right yeah the fact that he gets called one that's the funniest shit ever while he's wearing a yarmulke people call him a nazi that you you'd never suspect it

yeah sneaky it's we're sneaky i just think if we had to design a system from scratch, there's no way we'd have one person at the top of the pyramid. Right. It doesn't make any sense. And it doesn't need to be a pyramid. Yeah, it doesn't. It could be a series of silos.

Yeah. There's no reason. I mean, I guess the good thing would be that person can veto stuff and get things done. So if there is some sort of a – if he's a reasonable person and he really works well with others and doesn't abuse that power, one thing he has done though is, I mean, it's going to sound ridiculous, but when he has Kim Kardashian bring in cases of people that were unjustly prosecuted or unjustly imprisoned and he releases them.

I like that. I like that she does it and I like that he does it. It takes a lot for me to get angry. But when people were clowning them and I'm like, Kim Kardashian, you can say a lot of shit about her. She saved people's lives.

She's helping people in a tremendous way. You're going to tell those families that it's Kim Kardashian? Fuck you. She's helped 17 people be released from prison in the last three months. And I think it's also very disturbing how glib a lot of people are about prison. Yeah. And it's a really, I don't know what it's like, and I don't want to know what it's like.

You don't want to know what it's like. It's no joke. Yeah. But it is a punchline. And it's like, you're laughing about people being traumatized for life and possibly having no possibility of returning to society. People used to be able to laugh about stuff like that because it would be like laughing at it at work. You go to work and you're like, hey, OJ's in the can.

He's going to take it in the can. You would go to work and you'd say something stupid like that and it wouldn't go anywhere. But when you say something like that on Twitter or Facebook, like, ooh, boy, remember, I mean, people find out. You say the inappropriate thing. Remember that with Justine Sacco? Oh, of course. She tweets.

I was flying here for this show and someone tweeted at me, hashtag, has malice landed yet? Because that was the hashtag for her. Oh, yeah. Because she tweeted out a joke. She gets on a flight and it blew up while she was on the flight right and when she lands

her life is ruined upside down backwards inside out for a dumb joke yeah that dumb joke

could have been something that she would just say and then the next day be like what the fuck is wrong with me I was on Ambien and alcohol

and trying to be funny and that is something that the evangelical left is very scary about about being about if you're if you take a joke and that's inappropriate in some sense and they're the ones judging it's inappropriate your life should be ruined that is crazy and uh totalitarian yeah it's um it's also it smacks of deep insecurity and fear that you experience personally and you want to turn it on other people

the same feeling that people have when they're bullies the reason why someone's a bully is almost always because they're not confident of their own ability so they want to somehow or another by being cruel to someone else they exercise this power on someone else and it's somehow or another relieves them of a certain portion of this inadequacy that they feel, the stress they feel. It's one of the reasons why a lot of people are saying that bullies, contrary to what we think would be a logical thing, you should teach them how to fight, and they wouldn't want to do this.

The reason why they're doing this to people is because they're insecure. That's the same thing, I think, when you see these Twitter moms and people attacking people. The thing they fear most is that they're going to be attacked themselves. The thing they feel... Oh, yeah. They fear social ostracization. They fear that.

They fear standing up on their own two feet and being an individual. And I have a whole chapter on dark humor in this book. And I'm shocked that they let me publish it because Bonnie McFarlane, great comedian. I love Bonnie. She was roasting Jim Norton and she says to him,

your show is so unlistenable, I'd rather hear my daughter drowning. And it's like, are you going to, but let's break this down. Are you going to tell her as a comedian or as a mom that that's not appropriate? She's so funny. They only made me cut one joke.

I have everything else in there. And the point I make is something might not be funny for you if you're an assault victim right you don't want to kind of that's fine right but it's not that means and if something's not for you doesn't mean it's not for anyone what is uh the new right this is the title of your book yeah a journey to the fringe of american politics what to do this? So the circles I was swimming in started going into developing into the scene as it was happening that culminated in like the Trump presidency in Charlottesville. So I was there as this was happening. What circles were we discussing? This kind of the anarchist circles, what they call race realism, the racists, you know, the alt-right.

race realism the racist you know uh the alt-right and seeing a lot of it happening just being discussed in the press and people not knowing what they're talking about i'm like all right someone's got to write this book who's been there and understands it and it might as well be how do you understand it like what what what about it doing like the race realists because i on the one of the points i make is this is not one scene where everyone's in agreement these people often completely hate each other and disagree the only thing that unites them is their opposition to progressivism and this is you looking at this as a journalist when you're saying sure yeah but the way you're saying it is like you're a part of these groups well i was i i i'm like all right i went to all the meetings

you know i go to charlottesville i interviewed all the types i had i you know and it's what their points of view are and if you're going to engage with this kind of thinking which is somewhat prevalent on the fringes you have to at least understand where they're coming from and being dismissive gives a power for sure but what I want to say is because I don't want people to misconstrue you

so someone could listen to this and inadvertently or purposely misconstrue and think that you're a part of these groups. Oh, no, no. So it's very clear in this book who I agree with and who I don't. In the book. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, in the book. But the way we're discussing it in this conversation, you're saying the circles that you run in.

Yeah, because a lot of the people who I was friends with fell down this rabbit hole. They fell down the rabbit hole of racism? Nazism, racism, yes. Who that you were friends with fell down? I'm naming yeah because and it was very disturbing them in real life correct wow and it was very disturbing to watch as they start throwing out terms like hbd and rx what is that human biodiversity that's their code word for different races right human biodiversity is the code word for different races yes and what's the other one hbx and nrx nrx neo reaction so this is basically america's this decadent why my republic

and we need to return to like hardcore neuro reaction neo neo okay neo reaction neo reaction so that was the hashtag before was the alt right it's not the same but they're similar enough so and a lot of these guys are really cerebral you know they could tell you about the history of england they could tell you about you know all the science and so what went wrong uh with with whom with them i i don't know what went wrong i think one of the things that goes wrong is when no one's talking to you and you're just talking to each other yeah you're gonna start doubling down because there's no one hitting the brakes you and you're just talking to each other, you're going to start doubling down because there's no one hitting the brakes. You know what else happens?

What? You say controversial things, people attack you, and then some people don't attack you. They support you. Yes. And then you gravitate towards those people that support you.

Right. And then you get that endorphin rush. You get the light. Yes. You start seeing that with people and they start embracing really weird fringe ideas. They become a part of these fringe groups they get praised by these fringe groups and then they elevate to virtue signal for that

fringe group and so you could be either an average person in the mass or you could be a leader in the fringe so it's big fish in a small pond and you could be one of those who knows one of those who knows right people know what the fuck is going on right so you're not gonna get me with this scam so my line is you take one red pill but not the whole bottle you take the adderall bro that's what you take take that fucking adderall no one's gonna i know what's happening start stashing weapons in your backyard start prepping yeah yeah so there it's it's an interesting and there's also a long history of this stuff so how did you know those guys in real life did you know them from work I knew them from like anarchist circles

so this anarchy thing how serious are you about that 100% serious so anarchists think there should be no cops no anarchists don't think there should be government cops there should be private security oh private security what if you're poor

Well same thing No one wants to have a scenario Like if you go to a bar You're not paying for the doorman Or if you're going to a hotel you're not paying for security The point is whoever has an environment Wants it to be as safe as possible Okay stop right there

Because if you go into a bar If you're buying a drink The bar is taking some of the money from that drink to pay for that security. Correct. It's the same thing as you paying taxes. It's not the same thing as you paying taxes. Well, let's just look at it this way. It's just money into a pool, right?

It's not just money. Okay, but hold, please. If you throw the money into a pool, but let me explain. Okay. If you throw the money into the pool, okay, and obviously taxes get taken from you. It's different in that regard. But if you have a certain amount of money, a certain amount of money is going to go to protecting the people. And this is the idea of police force, and this is the idea of a bouncer.

But at least a bouncer is more likely acting in the interest of the club and trying to keep out bad people and trying to keep people from getting sued. But the money for the drinks goes to that. Some of it, a percentage of it goes to that. Much like your tax money, some of it goes to the cops. Sure. Right? Correct. But the big difference is one is voluntary and one is forceful and one is a monopoly and one isn't.

So if you had a free system, you would have more security because the streets would have someone doing security and the bar and the store and they would be complimentary to each other as opposed to you only have to dial 911. Look how many dating sites there are, right? Wouldn't it be great if instead of one number, you had dozens of places that are going to offer you security? So like private businesses that work like Uber, you give them a call when you're getting raped? Like you press a button? Sure. One with a dude with his pants down, you press a button and then someone shows up. We have that now.

We have now. I mean, if you go to an apartment building or a business building, there is going to be security there already. You're not going to call the cop. You're going to call the downstairs. Most of those people are just book readers. Sure. Sitting there playing with their phone. They used to be book readers.

Now they're phone players. Well, I'd rather they be reading books than shooting dogs. So that's where we are. Right. I see what you're saying. That's the grossest shit ever when you see SWAT teams show up and shoot people's dogs. And that's the problem with having a monopoly is there's no consequences. Yes.

So there's all these cases where dogs get shot, the flash grenade in the baby's crib. These people aren't fighting. Like Eric Garner. The only person who got in trouble for Eric Garner dying is the guy who filmed it. I mean, if you are a cook and you are serving food and you undercook chicken, it's a mistake, honest mistake, and someone gets sick, that shouldn't be your job.

But if you're a police officer, often, and I'm going to get a lot of heat for this, and that's fine, if something bad happens as a consequence of your actions, there have to be consequences that maybe this isn't the right job for you. Well, oftentimes there is. Sure. There's an inappropriate shooting or something along those lines, but I think you're right. And I mean, I've experienced abusive cops. I think we all have.

I think we all have. And I also think that it's very, very, very difficult to be that guy every day and not become abusive and not become worn out by it, not become extremely stressed out. I'm a big supporter of police. I just don't think that it's a job for everybody. I think being a cop is like a lot of other jobs, especially that one. That's super fucking difficult. The idea that you just hire people off the street and run them through some tests and they're going to make great cops i agree it's crazy i agree and what happens is when you're a monopoly you don't have to be efficient or effective i think they should hire former military that's what i think have a police state hire people no hire people that have discipline

hire people that that have gone through some experience in actual combat who know how to handle pressure better and then make it a very very valuable job and make it a very like very strict codes of conduct and and behavior and and action i i think another problem the police have in their defense is when you have public streets people uh have certain rights and they can act have where they like here in la you have all these People in these tents And I thought My understanding is The government said

You can't clear out Those tents That is hilarious Isn't it? And now the cops Can't do anything So they are hamstrung From being able

To do their jobs Whereas if this was private This would not be happening Well if you go under Underpasses in LA folks I don't know where you live But there's a fucking Campground

Literally they have tents Yeah everywhere I went to I didn't know Skid Row Was an actual place You didn't know? I went last time i was here and they were they the whole block is covered in tents oh it's unbelievable people who don't know i love to take them to skid row it's just amazing downtown la is insane like you go there and you're like what is this well what what this is is failure this is failure i mean cultural failure failure to address these members of our community

fair failure to provide health care failure to raise children correctly failure to keep people from drugs failure to provide good systems to get them off of drugs it started in new york to de blasio who's a real charmer that one like now every all you go on every subway train there's a homeless person with all their bags yeah and this There's got to be better alternatives than that, even for them. Well, there's someone, oh, Donald Trump Jr. posted videos all over the news the other day. When he was talking about de Blasio, and he's like, I'm driving here, this is out my window, I'm filming. Look at all these tents. Look at all this homeless shit.

He started following me on Twitter, and now i live in fear of like saying the wrong thing i don't know it's just like holy because north korea is my biggest issue by far right by far but what are you in fear of getting unfollowed by donald trump yeah he ain't gonna unfollow you well he better not no i have friends that are friends with him okay like good friends like my good friends and they're good friends with him okay i'll slide into they like him they say he's a good guy i'll slide into his dms do it he's just in a weird position man if he wasn't the the president's son he wouldn't be under so much scrutiny he'd be like oh he's a great guy okay it's like everybody's just like oh you're the president's son but it's

weird for me given that that was my beat that i'm like one step away from being able to influence policy on that issue which is the most important thing to me. Well, I get it. Yeah. What would you tell them about North Korea? I mean, I wouldn't even know where to start. I would just, I would think I would have a lot of information about helping with the psychology, how to kind of influence them, how to basically manipulate them. Also how evil they truly, really and truly are.

And always to keep that in mind. So it's a dance. It's a very delicate dance with them. Do you think he's going to get in trouble with Russia? Who? Which one? Donald Trump Jr. No. You think he will? I don't know. I don't think so. You don't think so? No. You don't think it's over?

I don't think it's over. Because people, after three years of reporting, now you can say with a straight face, what? There were three years of reporting over nothing? If there's smoke, there's fire, you know, blah, blah, blah. So I haven't been following it that closely. I saw Justin Amash just tweeted out that – he had this whole tweet storm that he thinks Trump should be impeached based on the – Who is that? Justin Amash is a congressman from Michigan.

He's one of like three libertarians um and he turned he said he's like i actually read the report which most people have not in washington 800 pages right is it yeah and he's like i think this is there's stuff in here that's impeachable whoa this was a big deal and then all the left were like republic even republicans like justin amash is like no no it's just him it's not there's no like it's him it's literally just him like him yeah there's only Amash, it's like, no, no, it's just him. There's no like, it's him. It's literally just him. Like him. Yeah.

There's only two like him. The people that like him. It's Thomas Massey and Mike Lee. That's the three of them. And Rand Paul, four. Rand Paul's an interesting cat. I like him. Well, I want to talk to his neighbor that fucked him up.

What's that about? That's such a bitch move, don't you? Such a bitch move. That is such a bitch move. Tackled him when he wasn't even looking I know Yeah I think he had earphones on too It's

It's I'm not sitting here like some badass But come on What the fuck are you doing? Yeah How about that guy That kicked Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday? Oh yeah

What was that about? He kicked This kid dropped Kicked Arnold Schwarzenegger I think he was crazy South African Because he was saying He was screaming out

Help me I need a Lamborghini While they were arresting him Bath salts He made it It was the bath salts I think he was crazy. South African. Because he was saying, he was screaming out, help me, I need a Lamborghini, while they were arresting him. Bath salts. He made it. It was the bath salts. World star hip hop.

He made it. He's on. Look. I mean, if that's what he wanted, look, what really happened to Arnold? Nothing. What's really going to happen to that kid? Probably go to jail for a couple, actually, I don't know. You don't know.

South Africa. Look at Otto Wambier in North Korea. He steals a sign and then he's dead. We don't know what the law is like in South Africa. I think it's not as bad as North Korea. It's not as bad as North Korea. Come on. It's not as bad.

The security guard fucked him up pretty well. Did they? I mean, it looked like it. Yeah. Listen, if you're dropkicking people out of nowhere, that's a problem. Listen, if you're drop-kicking people out of nowhere, that's a problem. When I was talking to Eddie Izzard, Eddie ran a bunch of marathons in South Africa.

It was the designation. It was the same number as the amount of years that Nelson Mandela was in prison. So it was 27. So he ran 27 marathons. But there was areas where they're like, listen, man, you ain't running through here Like this is This area We're gonna take you

We're gonna put you in a car We're gonna drive you Way the fuck past here And then you keep running But you're not running through here Like you'll get killed You'll get robbed You'll get carjacked

We're all gonna get shot You're not going through here And that's You know There's parts of the world That are like that And Arnold Schwarzenegger When he visited visited South Africa, what's the worst? He got drop kicked with poor technique.

Okay. I want to say the kid had no follow through. Right, right. Barely knocked a 71 year old. First of all, even though Arnold Schwarzenegger is 71 years old, he's still a 71 year old Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, of course. He's still a tank.

But he didn't even fall over. The kid drop kicked him. He didn't even know it was coming. Right. He gets hit in the middle But he didn't even fall over. Kid dropkicks him. He didn't even know it was coming. He gets hit in the middle of his back, and he just... And he's fine. It's kind of impressive. I got you a present. You do?

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when she's about to trap you. What? I like your personality. I like everything. This is the most Joe Rogan thing I've ever found. What is it? Here you go. What do we got here?

Take it. Whoa. What is that? It's a mini museum. So it's got 29 different things from all over the universe encased in lucite. Wow. That is fucking dope, dude. Yeah.

Wow. It's got a piece of the White House, a piece of the Hollywood sign, some Amazon water, a giant sloth claw, I think. Wow. Thank you. You are welcome. Dude, that will go right fucking here. Yeah. Here's the book that tells everything about it. Oh, thank you you are welcome dude that will go right fucking here yeah here's the book that tells everything about it oh thank you very cool that's it where'd you find this i went on one of my rabbit holes in the internet and i'm like holy shit this will be perfect joe internet

rabbit holes oh that's dope dude thank you very much um so you have to build a bag oh yeah oh there's a bag for it yeah all the bag i feel like i need to have it out though it's nice the bag right here i got mine on display desk is so cluttered this is a ridiculous to ever keep saying i'm gonna clean it up it's not gonna happen yeah so tell me more about your book um why are you why are you breaking um these these buildings so that's a dog whistle that's a dog with the cover so there's a guy named ben garrison and he was a regular conservative artist right and he would have drawings about like ben bernanke or hillary or whatever the nazis took his art replaced all of his drawings with jews so instead of the great wizard of debt being the fed it it was a Jewish caricature.

And they did it perfectly. And they also invented this whole backstory about him, that he was this classic Nazi. And this poor guy in Montana, if you Google him, it's like Nazi. And he's like, why is this happening to me? And the Photoshop work is perfect. So eventually they calmed down.

And now he's kind of like a regular cartoonist and the story got out, but that's his artwork. So the so the people this poor guy who was talk about a victim of nazis it's very rare nowadays to have a new victim of nazis and he's actually one of them well meme culture is very strange right yes and those little humorous images that get chucked around oh yeah there's a lot of dirt bags that have really profited off of other people's meme work, too. Like my friend Don, he's terrible. I don't know who that is. He works for a meme site, yeah.

Oh, those sites are bad, man. Some of them just flat out steal, and some of them steal, and then they'll attribute you somewhere. Like they'll just say your name, and sometimes they don't even say your name. They say a name of like a fake account that doesn't even, they just attribute it to someone. Oh, we thought we got it from that person because they know that it's at a hundred different accounts. Because a bunch of people have.

This guy's like you, you'll find something, you're like, oh, this is funny and you put it up. But then there's people that they make these giant sites with all other people's work and they curate them

and they make millions. Yep. Like the fat Jewish. Yeah, oh yeah. Everyone hates him. This is one of your big issues with people who take content and basically reappropriate it for themselves.

For sure with stand-up comedy. Yeah. But the thing that's happening with memes is if someone sends you something, there's a bunch of things. Eddie Bravo sends me hilarious ones all the time he'll send me a funny meme and then i'll send it to brendan shop and like i'm not asking who made that meme right it's a joke brendan doesn't think that i made it myself so it's not

like i'm stealing a joke but i'm definitely not crediting the original creator because i don't know who the fuck it is right and those things fly around they fly around so but that's all with in good faith the person with in bad faith right curates a website and then starts profiting off of it they find a loophole and then they make deals with comedy central and they also have people who actually steal stand-ups bits and turn those bits into memes and they put those bits on their their meme pages and they do the same shit they'll do it they just their content needers they need content they're whores parasites yes so they just they'll hire people to do it they they in the people that they hire they'll they'll steal

people's jokes and turn them into memes i mean it's real it's a real problem that's that's that's i mean that's become a joke because people are like oh this is a rare pepe right as because like please save it it's just like you know even though you can replicate it you know the pepe lawsuit that's going on oh yeah i talked about that in there well no the new one that's happening right now alex jones refused to he refused to settle out of court so they're gonna go to court they're gonna figure out whether or not Pepe, you can use Pepe the Frog. But, I mean, I talk about this in the context of, it's like, can Andy Warhol use a Campbell's soup can? Right. It's the same thing.

It's like, yes, someone creates it, but if someone is using it in kind of a broader satirical context. Well, it doesn't, though, because Andy probably couldn't do that today. Yes, he could. I think they'd sue him if he tried to make a lot of money off of campbell's soup cans i think corporations had more power back then and less uh accountability because now with social media everyone would lose their minds on campbell's right that's true that's a good point i think that do you know what they did what campbell's did when he did this so he paints all 40 flavors of soup cans right puts them up in a gallery campbell's just like what the fuck is this like they didn't know what to do, right? And they didn't know who to call.

This is unprecedented. So they had a storefront and they had the cans in the window. They go, why pay a hundred grand? You could get it here for a dollar. So they tried to own it in their own way. That's smart. That's smart.

Great advertising for them. Yeah. I mean, gigantic advertising. But that's the other thing is like with this meme culture of people like, oh, Pepe means white supremacy. It's like you can't, Campbell's doesn't say what a campbell soup can means different things mean this is not news different things mean different things different people and if you're using it in one context doesn't mean other contexts aren't legitimate that's how

art and images work yeah i mean that's almost like what happened with the guy in montana right someone takes his work and then turns it into nazi, and then all of a sudden he becomes a Nazi. Right. And he had nothing to do with it. With Pepe the Frog, because that guy who made... Matt Fury, yeah. He's so upset. I know.

Because he had this frog. Do you know what they did to him? Do you know what they did to him? He had a cartoon where he killed Pepe. So all the trolls were like, oh, that's interesting. So they took all his other characters and made them full-blown Nazis. So Heinrich, who's the wolf, instead of having reflections in his sunglasses, had the SS. Oh, my God.

They're like, oh, you want to throw down? We'll throw down, asshole. And that's what ended up happening to him. The wolf has a Nazi name already. No, they gave him a last name. It's like Heinrich something else. But that name. I'll tell you what.

Oh, my God. I know. No, no. This is Nazi. What do they call it? That's a Nazi wolf. Yeah. It sounds like a Nazi wolf.

Maybe they, what was the? That's hilarious. He thought he could just kill it off. That's like deplatforming. He thought he was going to deplatform Pepe. Well, it's also like, let's suppose I decide to kill off Paul Bunyan. What the fuck are you? How?

What does that mean? What does that mean? It doesn't mean anything. Like the idea that he's going to kill it off and they're going to say, oh, well, he killed it off. You can't use it anymore. His name was originally Landwolf. So they said, oh, his first name's Heinrich Landwolf. And the sun, you can pull it up.

And the glasses, well, maybe we shouldn't have that imagery here. His name was Landwolf as opposed to what, Skywolf? What the fuck does that mean? The funny thing is about Pepe was it was always so bland and lame well before it was adopted as a meme like when you say like feels bad man right like it was like this is so low blood sugar it bothers me but it's also the idea of you're saying that because nazis are using it you can't use it as feels bad man like right if you're giving an okay symbol and they're using it this way you can't say

oh that's okay doesn't make any sense yeah you can't say something i go okay my mouse if i do that that's white supremacy yeah that's no everybody for years it's like i had a whole series on my instagram page of people doing the okay sign of course including me back when i had earrings yeah news radio days bill cosby doing the okay symbol it's fucking come on man you guys know this is not that's not what this is just because people are using it and saying it is and they're investigating people are investigating people there was a guy who was on television yeah and they blurred it out yeah and he they blurred it out doing the symbol and the other thing is we're at a point now where it's more easy to give the finger to someone than to say okay yeah because

you blur the finger out nobody cares yeah but if you do that like oh what is he doing what does it mean he's touching his fingers you can't even do like you're holding a joint because that's like a white power joint like if you're like doing that like a roach that's bad that's bad how do you have to use a roach clip it's a ploy by the roach clip industry But there's I have a list in there Of all the things That are called racist

Milk Dinosaurs When did milk become racist Oh cause What the trolls do Is they make it Let's see if we can get them Freaking out about milk

And they got it Picnics My favorite one The trolls did Was the free bleeding movement Oh my god That's the greatest thing That people have ever accomplished That they actually Got women no no that's not no no there's two things

you're confusing two things the free bleeding was a woman who made it but there was the pee on yourself no free bleeding was a 4chan troll no it was the girl running a race because she was she was actually smart about it she said this is to create awareness toward women in third world countries who don't have access to sanitary pads i yeah i was reading a whole article on the 4chan creating the free bleeding movement okay i could be wrong see if you could pull that i know there was a legitimate example of the free bleeding yeah i think that was post that post them putting it up they've done a few things like that they They also had pee on yourself to fight rape. Oh, I heard. Because that's one of the big arguments that to fight a rapist, if you're actually in that

situation, pee on yourself, that'll turn her away. And it's like, you shouldn't give people advice. It's like, listen, if she's actually getting assaulted, what should she do in that horrible circumstance? And then it's like pee on yourself to show your support for victim sexual assault. Wasn't there a Senator somewhere that actually said that if it's a legitimate rape. That's in there. Todd Akin. Todd Akin was running. What the fuck did he say? This is amazing. for victim sexual assault. Wasn't there a senator somewhere that actually said that if it's a legitimate rape, That's in there.

Todd Akin. Todd Akin was running. What the fuck did he say? This is amazing. Todd Akin was running for Senate in Missouri. And he's pro-life. And they asked him a very common question

for pro-life people. What about if it's rape? And he goes, well, that's very rare. And he goes, but my understanding is if a woman is assaulted, the body has a way

of shutting it down. Now, there's a book called Sperm Wars. And apparently, again, I'm a crazy scientist. Don't get mad at me. It didn't work. That book's not legit. Is that true? No.

No, it's been disputed. It's been debunked. Okay, then good. There's no evidence that sperm acts as anything other than sperm that attacks the egg and tries to get it pregnant. The claim in that book is that rape is more likely to result in pregnancy than regular intercourse. The point is he got read out of town on a rail. And then Reza Aslan,

who said on Twitter, you know what? I hope he gets raped. And if you take his comment out of context, it's very disturbing and it's kind of disturbing in context, but Reza's response being like this is a response to you being like yeah you got raped you're not gonna get pregnant and he got the the new right went after him reza and got him fired from cnn years later is that what

he got fired from he also called the president a shithead yeah so they're like they use that and they use the other tweet and they got rid of him what's free really free bleeding stuff has been online there's an article i found from rid of him Free bleeding stuff Has been online There's an article I found from 2004 Oh holy crap So it's been online For a long time

But as a troll Who started it 4chan picked it up As a troll in 2014 Okay so it started As a real thing It's been a thing Online for a long time

On feminist blogs 2011 there's another thing But when you find It in 2004 Was it a troll No it was All about my vagina MyVag.net

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I told you Wait a minute, wait a minute I'm glad I got this right MyVag.net Some ladies experience with her free bleeding So she just lets her 15 years ago Her twat bleed

I'm sorry Okay, you got that one So she just lets her twat bleed. I'm sorry. Okay, you got that one. The article was so fucking convincing. That's a problem, man. And that's what people that are arguing for deplatforming are saying. For deplatforming anti-vaxxers or deplatforming flat earthers or anybody who's got information that's just not accurate in terms of the other thing is climate change but hold on but my big answer is you guys

reported wmds for a long time and hundreds of thousand people got killed because of this misinformation so if that's going to be your standard you're going to have to deplatform the new york times as well so it's a very very double-edged sword when you start talking about if people give misinformation, they have to be banned from these social media sites. You need someone to be able to check the orthodox point of view. No matter what it is. It's true. There's no denying that.

What are you saying, Jim? This is the poster that's the... I didn't know this was about a poster. It's a fair use issue with the Pepe and Alex Jones. Because they put him on a poster and were selling a poster and like they're arguing is fair use and he's arguing it's not blah, blah, blah.

So interesting. It's not just because it's a meme or something. Yeah. There's the poster. Yeah. Who's that person behind Alex to Alex, to the left of Alex? It's a good question.

Most of these people are, I know who all of them, I don't know. It's like a cigarette in their hand Or a test tube or a tampon Yeah who is that? What is that? Is that a blunt? What is that?

Is that a sharpie? I don't know Is she riding something on Alex's back? Is that a dude or a guy? Who the fuck is that? Who is that? I know everybody else Eh whatever

We could be here for days Is that Diamond and Silk? I don't know Who's that lady? I think that was Silk Okay Oh no it must be Diamond and Silk The two of them

Who's Diamond and Silk? They're these two black ladies Who are Trump's biggest fans, and they go on social media, and they start ranting and raving. I've seen one. I've seen them. And one of them always drinks blue wine. Blue wine? Yeah.

And it's like when you're so sick of his bullshit that you're just drinking literal Kool-Aid. It's blue. She's got a blue liquid. It's crazy. She's got a green one here. And she's a Trump supporter? Yeah. What is going on there?

It's racist. Well, wait a minute. Maybe she's a Trump supporter what is going on there it's racist well wait a minute maybe she's drinking Kool-Aid like you can get can't you get green Kool-Aid no I think it's wine they have blue wine now look at the looks on her face she always seems sad I don't know which one's diamond

which one's silk one's always really upset the other one's just like why am I here it's a good move if you just want attention if you don't really support trump it's just sitting there with your green wine yeah just get super outrageous see and they testified in front of congress that's why i love this timeline it's like this is where we are they testified in front of congress about facebook censoring people oh my god because facebook is censoring them they said well do you see what's going on with alex jones if you write alex jones's name on facebook it says only you can see this post i do life his name i do live

streams a lot right and if the live stream was my thoughts on alex jones live stream the second it's uploaded it's demonetized and they later has to get remonetized once they see it's okay so the default setting is and that's the other thing of all of these people alex jones is the worst one like you have actual full-blown we need another holocaust types and he's the villain yeah well he's got a big platform that's the idea the idea is that he's got a big platform so they have to show and here's the other lie they're like oh blah blah blah sandy hook like you weren't upset when the sandy hook should happen you're getting upset about him now years later because you're being whipped up into a froth by the corporate press about it you weren't saying he should be the platform seven years ago when was whenever sandy hook was when it was something around them right it was five years ago

well it becomes something that is a talking point right right like that he needs to be deplatformed you either agree with it or you don't agree with it and i think that's the case with uh almost what is happening with our uh something happened up there oh is it the purge? No. Are we the purge? No, there's... Guys are here messing with it. Guys are here messing with electronics. Okay. No, there's no purge here.

Yeah. Okay, good. We have security. I would not do well in a purge. You'll be fine, dude. Stay in this room. This room is bulletproof. Is it?

Yeah. All right, good. Good to know. Yeah. You'll be all right, man. Okay, good. Are you worried about the purge? No.

Are you worried about the apocalypse? no are you worried about the apocalypse no natural disasters not at all nothing solar flares taking out the grid no no no nothing i'm not i mean there's a satellite's going one of the best books no more serious satellite radio and this is my response to people on the far right and i'm using that term accurately there's a great book by arthur herman called the idea ofline in Western History. And he talks about, you know, every 20 years, it's a different group on the left, on the right, and they're like, the world's going to end. And he brings the receipts and it never ends up happening. Because people are smart, some, and we have a huge asymmetry in wanting to stay alive. So, the idea that the last of what apocalypse, what probably the Black Plague,

I would say, would be the last apocalypse. We've been doing so good so far. Do you know about the people that got the Black Plague? Excuse me. The people that got the Black Plague because they were eating a marmot liver. Was it a liver or a kidney? No, I thought they thought it was the fleas from the rats. No, no, no, no, no. There's some people that-

Oh, recently? Recently. Recently got the Black Plague. But it's useless like the flu now. The fleas from the rats. The last time that happened in the United States, I think in the 1920s and that was in los angeles actually the last uh evidence of the black plague yeah but you don't die from it anymore oh you could definitely die from it but they died in the 20s i think they died in the 20s yeah i thought it's

still okay maybe the people died this year from the black plague oh shit people that ate the liver okay kidney i think right mongolian couple you know we're all marmot kidney yeah oh my god marmot it's like a vole yeah yeah that's what we used to be 65 million years ago yeah it's in the mini museum weird little rodent thing yeah but yeah these people ate it ate it and wound up dying from the plague what was the point? I had a point. About end of the world. Are we worried about the apocalypse?

Yeah. You know that idea that people have always worried about the end of the world and it never happens? Sure. That's like saying, I've always worried about dying, but I never have. I'm not going to die. I'm not going to die. I won't be.

I'm not going to be there. You're going to die. But I'm not going to be there. How do you know? What do you mean? How do you know? You'm not going to die. I'm not going to die. I'm not going to be there. You're going to die. But I'm not going to be there. How do you know? What do you mean? How do you know? You're not going to be there. I mean, that's what dying means.

Oh, you're not going to be there when you die. Right. So you're not going to die. Right. I'm not going to experience death. You're either alive or you're not. So don't even worry about it. Because when it's over, you won't be here.

So who cares? I wouldn't say so who cares. But I mean, if your entire life is focusing on you know avoiding death that's a very bad mindset yeah that's for sure that's what i'm saying is that i think people are operating with a very small historical timeline and the more i talk to people like graham hancock would describe the overwhelming evidence that something pretty severe happened to the human race around 12,800 years ago. Sure.

Most likely comet impact or something along those lines. Other people think that it was actually a solar mass coronal ejection that made lightning storms like rainstorms. Okay. Lightning was coming down like rain all over the world and just killed everything. And this thing could happen easily at any time not easily oh yeah easily okay yeah common impact or asteroid impact easily if it easily or not easily in terms of likelihood because it would happen easily in terms of likelihood it would happen by now no no it has happened there's a lot of evidence that it's happened it's just we're dealing with a small

timeline the idea is could could you get lucky and it won't happen in the next 60 years or so While you're alive? Yeah, it could happen Or it could hit tomorrow That could happen too Okay, I'll take that bet It's a good bet I mean, it's good

Look, your perspective is good It's good to not worry To not look at life like that Also because when you don't have power Yeah If you don't have the power to affect the comet As I personally don't That's true Knowing it's coming Who the power to affect the comet, as I personally don't, knowing it's coming,

theoretically, what can I do about it? Just live. And one of my heroes, Albert Camus, great French philosopher, his point about living to the point of tears, right?

And I think what really I find sad in this culture is cynicism and hopelessness. And it's like, we're blessed. You know, we have this, I mean, there's beyond beyond the internet you can find people who are making amazing things more opportunities than you can

count and if you're just going to sit there and mope i mean you're blowing this great gift that god's given you yeah well i think a lot of those people that are moping that are concentrating entirely on the negative aspects of life they They're doing themselves a giant disservice. And it's almost like they can't help it. I think there's a lot of people that are affecting the way culture shifts today that are probably clinically depressed. And one of the things I resent enormously about culture is this idea of something is joyous or fun.

It's less legitimate artistically. And that is such a disgusting, horrible mindset. And we need more joy and more happiness. Take it from me because I went to see JoJo Siwa last night. Okay. Yeah. Do you know who that is? No.

You don't know who that is? She's a YouTube star. My nine-year-old loves her. So I had to go to JoJo Siwa's birthday concert last night. Okay. At the Microsoft Center, whatever the fuck that is. I know's birthday concert last night at the Microsoft Center, whatever the fuck that is. I know, because Bert ran into her at the airport.

Bert loves her too, I bet. Yeah, I bet. Because Bert has young daughters too. Yeah. She's all about positivity. Yeah. Believe and achieve. Fun times.

I'll upload a video later. But is it all like saccharine Disney stuff, or is it sincere? Oh, it's as saccharine as it gets. Oh, I don't like that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, she was taking old Queen songs and reworking the words, cleaning them up. Oh, so she's like those meme people.

Oh, she's cleaning. She's toning down Queen songs. She's toning down some Queen songs. Oh, this woman's the devil. How dare you take someone's art and appropriate it it and make it like uh take out all the all the energy yeah she uh this is corporate culture at its worst but she's doing it for three-year-olds bro so it's like five-year-olds they don't need to be listening queen lover there it is oh jesus christ she loves freddie mercury bro what's the problem no she doesn't if she loved him she'd

respect him oh she's fucking 12 she know oh she's 16 excuse No, she doesn't. If she loved him, she'd respect him. She's fucking 12. She know. Oh, she's 16. Excuse me. Yeah. She doesn't know any better. She does know better. How smart were you when you were 16? Smart enough not to try

to rewrite Queen. I bet she doesn't have a say in it. I bet whoever's pulling the strings gets her to rewrite it. That makes it even more nefarious.

Of course. The Disney people or the censors. Whoever it is, the producers. Wait. Am I wrong? Where's the lie?

Where's the lie? What song was it That they did it to I'm trying to remember They did We are the champions She sang that But champions That means someone's a loser

Yeah No time for losers So what's that change to? No time What No I don't think they changed that No time for recess.

Oh my God. This is horrifying. Yeah. She did some Elton John too. This is like those videos they made for like Mormons where they took like Hollywood blockbusters and cut out all the sex and all the cursing. Yeah. And it's like you are evil vampires.

Horrible monsters. She did Crocodile Rock, Elton John. Okay. And she changed Rainbow Chevy to Rainbow Beamer. So Crocodile Rock, you know my theories with that song? I tweeted this out years ago. What? I just imagined Elton with a bunch of his friends,

they're all getting high as fuck. Right. And they're like, all right, let's try to think of the most fucked up lyric. And Elton, you're going to make a song about it. They're like, how about Crocodile Rock? And he's like all right i'll fucking do it he fucking sits and nails it what the fuck does that even mean what does that mean but i'll tell you what man the word crocodile means something different to me after watching that black mirror episode

titled crocodile i haven't seen it holy shit If you're listening to this, ladies and gentlemen, and you have a sensitive heart and you can't handle really fucked up premises and a really fucked up episode. Like her fans. Don't watch it because it's rough. It's really good, though. But it's like, holy shit. It's one of those ones where I'm not giving away anything, but at the end, when you're done with that show, you feel like you need a fucking shower. You're like, whoa. Oh, jeez.

It's dark. Okay. It has nothing to do with the reptiles. I do like dark. It's just dark. It's dark. I just read this book by this woman, Cynthia Carr, called Fire in the Belly. It's the life story of this artist, David Wanyarowicz, who I didn't know anything about.

And he was in New York in the early to late 80s when AIDS was coming up. And as she tells his life story, you hear the story of AIDS permeating through this culture. And that book is as dark as fuck because she'll have a scene where he's like, oh, he had dinner and da-da-da.

And the next sentence, Keith Haring died on this day at age 34. And you realize this is what it was like for them. Like they're hanging out phone rings keith's dead and these are men who are the symbols of virility early late 20s early 30s just dropping like flies and the thing is they're watching each other die knowing i'm next that's gonna be mean a year from now and they're getting dementia before they die so they're talking all crazy at age 30 so this book really fucked my head really badly they were giving him AZT too

which didn't help no but that was later at first they're like we don't know what the fuck to do good luck and it's like we're dying

sorry I shouldn't suck dick it's like what the fuck am I supposed to do yeah they were calling it the gay cancer they didn't know what it was

and then when they were trying to fight for education people were like well we're not going to teach kids about sucking dick and they're like dude we're dying, people were like, well, we're not going to teach kids about sucking dick. They're like, dude, we're dying. And they're like, oh, sorry about it.

And this book really got the fuck out of my head, especially because you know it's real. Yeah. Did you ever hear of bug catchers? Of course. Bug chasers. Bug chasers. Bug chasers, yeah. Yeah, that's, again, we're talking about things that are just fucked up about human beings.

When you look at the spectrum of behavior, bug chasers are people who tried to get HIV. Right, because they thought it was the ultimate symbol of being gay. Well, I'm sure there's a bunch of reasons. That was the big reason. Well, there was probably that, but probably they felt bad that other people had it and they wanted it. And there was other people that just wanted it because they're crazy. Sure. And other people hated themselves, so they wanted it. There was also that guy in Germany who was like, I want to cut off someone's dick and eat it. And there was other people that just wanted it because they're crazy. Sure. And other people hated themselves. So they wanted it.

There was also that guy in Germany who was like, I want to cut off someone's dick and eat it. Oh, yeah. And someone signed up for it. No, he said, I want someone to cut off my dick and eat it. And I want them to eat me. Right. And so someone said, sure, let's meet up.

Yeah, that's right. I got it wrong. And so the guy cut his dick off and they both shared his dick and then killed the dude and started eating him. And then they arrest him. And they didn't know whether to charge him because it was voluntary. Yeah. It's a good point. Yeah.

Oof. Yeah. I'm not a fan. But I mean, you still like, you can't, murder is like, it either is murder or it's not murder. Like if you're in a gay relationship with a guy and the guy says, okay, this is what I want you to do. I want you to beat me up and rape me. You're like, oh, okay. Can I get that in writing?

Can you write down what you beat me up? And then, you know, if the cops come, he's like, you beat me up and you raped me. I'm like, no, bro, listen. Here, he wrote it right here. I made a videotape. You didn't use the video you didn't use your safe word he said he wanted me to beat him up and rape him and the cops would probably let you go but you can't murder right you know i'm saying because consensual sex is

obviously legal so if you have consensual sex with someone it's legal but if you pretend to be fighting them off right and then they upset you, it's role play. But murders never role play. You know, I found, when I was doing research for the book, The National Review, who's my favorite paleontology journal,

in the late 90s, as the gay rights movement was coming up into the mainstream consciousness, they wrote an article comparing the struggle for gay rights to a struggle for necrophilia. They're like, what would be the difference? And they talked about how right now in the European Union, perverts are fighting for the right to be violent toward each other in bed in various ways.

It's like, yeah, it's like rough sex. It's adjacent to vanilla sex. Yeah, they like it. And now the articles are the conservative case for gay marriage it's like you guys have no fucking shame then and you have no fucking shame now at least be consistent one of the things that disturbs me greatly today is there is a movement and i don't know how big it is but it's a movement for people to try to recognize pedophiles as a sexual distinction, a sexual designation rather than a sick disease,

that similar to being trans or being gay or that some people are just born pedophiles. Well, I think what's important there is it's not just a crime because a crime can be fixed and treated. So I think it is important to understand these people will always psychologically be pedophiles. And you're not going to get them to be like straight homeowners.

There's no therapy that's ever been shown that... I think it's like trying to make someone who's gay straight. Is it really that? That's my understanding. If that's the case, then is there an argument that we should be more compassionate with them as long as they don't act on that but that's the danger because the other thing what they don't understand is from their point of view those kids are giving consent

which they are right the kids saying yes so they're like look maybe that's what's scary i don't even know if they do right no but they don't think a statutory rape being a thing and i knew okay this this would have i i interned at a place long ago, and there was a librarian who worked there, like a guido type, you know? A girl or a guy? Guy. Guy. And years later, he was arrested. He was a school teacher.

He was arrested in an undercover sting trying to meet a kid who he knew was 13 or 12 in a park to try to sleep with him right this was a janine pierrot who later became a fox commentator he got out of jail and i see him on facebook he's married with kids and it's just like i you think it's fine that that's just scary shit that's insane and it's another thing to be switch gender too if you're going for young boys you're gonna go to to regular-aged women? I don't see how that would work. Right, right. And this is something that's such a taboo topic that I don't think, for a lot of people, correctly, once you start talking about kids and sexuality, their hackles raise.

It is a PC subject because it's like, why are you even introducing this into the conversation? Where are you going with this? It's a very, very uh slippery slope well if you're trying to say or if they're trying to say that this is something that people are born with i don't think there's evidence that people just are born that way i think there's evidence that people become that way from sexual abuse yes that's true too absolutely and they think it's appropriate i've never heard of anybody that grew up in a normal household who wasn't abused is that the case i'm not in a position to talk about this at all i think we have probably a very few cases of pedophiles on the record uh explaining how they

came to this point of view right but in either situation born or abused i can't see how this is something that's going to be an emotion level. You're going to be able to turn them away. Well, it's also a super, the idea of that being in your neighborhood. Yes. This is in your neighborhood. You've got this guy who likes to fuck kids and he promises not to do it anymore. They did a few times.

They locked him up in a cage and now he lives down the street. And he locked up in a cage where he was traumatized also, further traumatized. Oh, yeah. And also, if he promises not to do it but knowing when he's looking if he's checking out my son or my daughter yeah i did not expect to be talking about this today i know of course that's the point that the human mind can be that it'd be imprinted and you're abused when you're younger that you go on to do that same thing that was horrifically done to you that that is a common thing

that happens with children that get abused it doesn't make sense to you? it does make sense to me it's like that way I wasn't abused I was enjoying it could be right you know that way it takes away the trauma because it's like oh this is how I've always been so it was okay nothing happened to me and you don't have to deal with know, that way it takes away the trauma because it's like, oh, this is how I've always been so it was okay. Nothing happened to me

and you don't have to deal with the trauma that way. Well, that's what Milo and when he was talking about being sexually abused as a child, I think that's what

he was kind of doing. Oh, yes. He was saying that I was the predator and I was going out for the priest. I talk about that in the book because if there was anyone

other than Milo, people would, because he was older. He wasn't like 12. He was like whatever, 18. 14. No, no. He's like, I think he was like, I don't remember how old he was.

No, no. If he's 18, that's fine. It wasn't 18, but it wasn't 12. I think he was a teenager, but he was young. If it was somebody else, people would be talking about heteronormativity, right? And it's historically not that weird for an older gay dude to get with a younger gay guy, especially when everyone was closeted to kind of initiate them into the lifestyle. This was a thing.

But it's Milo. Now it's, oh my my god you want pedophilia blah blah it's like there's different standards for gay people than for straight people and that's appropriate and acceptable and people understand that in other contexts well the problem is society as the way we understand human beings and the way a person's brain works, when you're young, you shouldn't be allowed to make those decisions because sexually in particular, you could get coerced. You can wind up doing something that you don't want to do.

There can be straight guys that are 14 years old that get talked into having gay sex by a very charismatic 40-year-old man who gives them things. The idea is that this is a bad thing for the boy. It's a bad thing because you wouldn't want it to happen to a girl Why would you want it to happen to a boy But I think it's a very different phenomenon

For a 30 year old gay man To sleep with a 16 year old gay man Gay boy As opposed to a 30 year old straight man To sleep with a 16 year old straight girl I think you can make that argument That it is a little bit different. I still don't think it's okay.

I'm not saying it's okay. I'm just saying it's clearly different. It's different. Yeah, especially if the boy is very gay, very obviously gay, which everyone from high school remembers. Or if he's not a virgin. Right, that's true too.

That first guy for that girl will fuck with her head for her life for many women. For him, it could be it wasn't his first. Yep. That's a very big difference, too. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to be that first guy. That's a lot of work.

I don't even mean with gay. I mean with straight, too. I don't think I ever had a virgin in my life. I've never had a virgin. Thank God. It's too much work. To be connected, it'd be like forever. I thought you meant physically meant physically be too much work

no no no no no no i mean i should probably clarify yeah i mean being connected to that it's too significant you want to be like the third guy you don't want to be the first guy i grow up sex with you were always my first michael i'll never forget i always thought that we were supposed to be together forever and ever because I believe in movies and fairy tales. And you were it. And I listened to the Queen songs with the nice lyrics. It didn't work. JoJo Siwa's concert, she explained how everything is like a movie.

Yeah, that's a thing, right? Like people do get emotionally attached to romantic stories that they see in movies and they want their life to play out like this fictional narrative and and the left uses this a lot because they'll have all these leftist ideas and culture and movies and that's where a lot of people get their programming uh and then it's like you know for example here's an idea you don't see in culture that people very often knowingly and consciously do the wrong thing. That happens every day. People know they're doing something fucked up. You don't really see that that much in like TV and movies. And that's a right wing message that like, you know, people sometimes are basically evil.

And you can run into someone at that point in their life. They're evil. That's a fact. Yeah, sure. That exists all over the world. Or like, and it's also evil on a small scale. Sure, that exists all over the world. And it's also evil on a small scale.

Like if you're in an office and someone's getting chewed out and they're getting bullied for whatever reason and you're sitting there and you're keeping your mouth shut, you're not Hitler. But you know you're doing the wrong thing. But you're trying to protect your job, right? Sure. You don't want the boss to come down on you. But a lot of times you have that space and you still won't do it. And that's knowingly doing the wrong thing. And I'm not saying you should be throwing the garbage, but I'm saying people do that all the time,

these little sacrifices they make with their conscience. That's true, yeah. And you don't see that really represented. And that's an important idea for people to understand, that people are often weak. Yeah, and always, especially if you're going check to check, always worried about losing your job, losing your gig. Yeah.

That's a real big thing with people. I was on vacation once, and there was this guy who was a boss, and he was there with his employee and his employee's family, and he was mean to his employee's daughter. That's horrifying. I watched it. The guy had to take it. He was just talking shitty to her. And it was really gross, because you could see the dynamic play out. He was just this mean old guy, just really shitty.

Jesus Christ. It was disturbing to see this weak man, like, just having to accept the fact that this guy is being shitty to his daughter. And he was giving her a lecture and berating her and doing it publicly, like, by the pool. Oh, my God. Is this who you wanted to grow up to be? Yeah. Is this job worth it? It was so gross, I wanted to step in.

I was like, I just want to tell this guy, shut the fuck up. It's driving me nuts. I remember when I was back before I started being an author, I was working at Goldman. And it was a very stressful job. And I had my review. And they said, oh, if you have downtime, sometimes we see you going online.

We want you to help the laptop lab and i just go no and he goes what i said i wasn't hired to do laptops i'm not interested in learning laptops and there are the job is very intense and high stress so if i have downtime i'm going to you know use the downtime and the look on her face was just like as if i i just added myself as a pedophile what did it mean by use the downtime and and the look on her face was just like as if i i just been out of myself as a pedophile what did it mean by use the i was doing laptop the laptop lab right so i was doing tech support so like microsoft word excel people had problems they would call on the fly you got to have an answer for them it's very it's like a quiz show you're living a quiz

show and then there's a laptop lab people are checking out laptops they're setting up laptops which is a very different skill set something i didn't really know setting up in terms of like downloading sure yeah i you know what software and i didn't know then i still don't know i didn't i don't fucking care like no no my job no i'm not and i'm not interested in working as hard as possible well also like when you have downtime with did they want you to work extra if the point is the phone rings or it doesn't ring right that's your job that's my job my job is to get it off the phone as fast as possible because they're problem solved so they're what they were saying was while you were doing this other job and waiting for something to come

up we want to keep you working with a specifically different job correct yeah no it's corporations man that's right try to squeeze that rock right and's like, why am I busting my ass to make Goldman Sachs that extra $5 of value? Fuck you. And I'm so proud of myself. Did they fire you after that? They fired me because I refused to work on Thanksgiving because my great-grandma had died. They wanted you to work on Thanksgiving? Well, we were 24-7.

What? It's a help desk. Oh, wow. But you must have shifts. I was second shift, 4 p.m. to midnight, right? Every night? Monday through Thursday,

or Monday, Thursday. Okay. And they go, oh, we're having you in on Thursday during the day, Thanksgiving day. And I'd promised my, and I worked second shift,

so they wanted me before the midnight, then there at nine. And I said, no, I promised my grandma I'd have Thanksgivinggiving dinner with lunch with her i could have called my grandmother's schedule i didn't want to be that guy because i knew this is one of those you know things that like this is the fork road uh crossroads in your life and they go we'll find someone else to cover your shift and i asked everyone else had plans and they go well

we need you midnight you know the second next day for lunch and i said no and they fired me and i'm very very glad i did that and i had lunch with grandma her mom had just died are they allowed to fire you for that if it's not your shift yeah of course they are of course well no the shift every week they get the calendar oh so they scheduled it right oh i see so you wasn't you didn't have a specific shift like hey michael every day you come in at eight o'clock you leave at midnight i usually did or four o'clock but when you had holidays things had to change and i'm like well i don't care and i and no regrets well it worked out it did but did you

ever think that you'd be like this uh what are you what are you a p a pundit? I'm a troll. What am I, an author? Media personality, I think is the word. You said troll, though, immediately. You went right to it. I caught myself. I caught myself. But you wanted to be a troll. Well, I don't like that.

That's the first thing you think of. It's fun. It is fun. Like if someone says, like, what do you do? You're like, troll. I'm an author. No. Actually, you know what I say?

When people ask me what I do, I say, you know those obnoxious people who have a job giving their uninformed opinion? That's me. That's what I usually say. Interesting. Yeah. Isn't it funny that that's a job? All you have to do is be kind of entertaining and have an interesting way of looking at things. It's great.

This is what I'm talking about being blessed. And I don't take it for granted. And the fact that people pay my rent Because of my sick burns On Twitter On Patreon Sick burn Sick burn I love my sick burns

And you used to be A Microsoft help representative For Goldman Sachs Yeah Was it Microsoft? Just Microsoft? Or Yeah

All the Microsoft products Yeah Yeah Do you use Windows? I do Do you? Yeah You don't use Apple?

I don't You seem like a guy You seem like a guy Using an Android phone too I have an Android Windows? I do. Do you? Yeah. You don't use Apple? I don't. You seem like a guy. You seem like a guy using an Android phone, too. I have an Android phone. Aha. I do. You're a little bit of a contrarian. I am a little bit.

Yeah. Do you like Windows because the people that use Macs are just like following the sheep herd? I use Windows because that's what I was professional on, so I haven't changed in all this time. The only thing that bugs me about Windows is I have to constantly be updating you turn that shit off you have to turn that shit off why because like some update sometimes it's crashed my computer oh when it updates yeah so i'm not rolling that fear of the computer restart how often do you update your software never but what if they fix like vulnerabilities they're gonna invent new words it's fine it's fine if they get the squiggly line when i write the word meme well what i they fix, like, vulnerabilities and shit? What, they're going to invent new words? It's fine. It's fine if they get the squiggly line when I write the word meme.

What I worry about is, like, vulnerabilities to the system. I have everything backed up in three places. Oh. I'm a crazy person like that. Okay, so you're ready to rock. And do you run a VPN? No. No.

Ooh, dangerous. And I'm pirating that shit, too. Ooh, would you? Why would you say that on the air? I don't know. Oh, shit, I'm goingating that shit too. Would you? Why would you say that on the air? Oh, shit. I'm going to get swatted now. I'm going to get you. I'm going to get swatted. You're a pirate.

They're going to fucking sink your ship. Me and Madonna with the eye patches. We got our musket. Madonna has an eye patch? Yeah, you didn't see that? See, I think it's a fashion thing, but it could be a glaucoma thing. What? She's got an eye patch. maybe she's just a fan of slick

rick do you know who's do you know my favorite comedian neil hamburger yeah sure i love neil he's my absolute favorite comedian hilarious and one of his jokes is what do you call a senior citizen who can't help but expose their genitalia in public madonna. And he says it all sad. Aw. Madonna. He's got such a weird act. He's so funny. Oh, he's the best.

It's such a strange, strange act. Well, he's just basically like Tony Clifton. Yeah. As a stand-up. But better. But better. Much better. Much better material.

Yeah, yeah. And better presentation, too. I talk about Kaufman in the book because he's the first troll. Andy Kaufman was the first troll. Sure. Yeah, I agree. agree and there's this great he had this character tony clifton people don't know who's this like angry lounge singer and tony did this bit he would perform i think it was in atlantic city and he said hey my wife died whenever i look at my daughter's you know stephanie's eyes i see her so stephanie come out here do a song sits on his lap they sing her voice cracks.

He smacks her across the face. He goes, are you fucking it up? The audience is booing. He goes, don't boo. You're just going to make her cry more. And it wasn't even a kid. It's an actress. You know what I mean?

Of course, yeah. But that is just beautiful trolling. Yeah. Well, he used to, Koffman used to go on stage and sing the Mighty Mouse theme song. But just the mighty mouse part yeah here i come to save the day he did the special and i think it was abc refused to air for two years and one of the parts it was like pb's playhouse for pb's playhouse he had a girl from sound of music and she's like oh she's starting his you know restart her career he called it has been corner and she comes out he, so at what point did you realize you weren't going to make it in show business?

I mean, it's just, oh, and she's in on it. Right. You know, but it's just, you're sitting there. You're like, oh my God. Even if you're in on it, it's got a sting. And she's like, oh, I'm trying to restart my career. He goes, well, I don't think it's going to happen for you, but good luck. And you're just like, oh my God.

Well, how about when he was wrestling women? That was, I think, a sexual thing. But yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. But it was also trolling. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was screaming and yelling at them. Oh, that's the, yeah, that part. But yeah, yeah. But I didn't, that I'm not a fan of. Dude, the fucking people at the wrestling arenas, they wanted to kill him. Yeah. They wanted to fucking kill him. I.

They thought it was real. I got Dolph Ziggler coming up on my show tomorrow. And he's like, he came out once dressed as The Undertaker. And the audience, when he pulls off that head, we're like booing, goes, oh, you thought it was really going to be him? You only see him once a year. So he fucking comes dressed as other wrestlers just to troll the audience. I love that shit.

Well, you got to think also when Kaufman was doing this, there was real discussion as to whether or not wrestling was real. Yeah. This is a different time. Yeah. It's amazing. You can look back at these arguments that people are like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's totally fucking real. No, he was taking-

Do you know what's really though? What's fascinating though? Because with the rise of MMA, yeah, I just saw like the WWE at MasterScore Garden. We know what the dynamics of fighting looks like, right? But the wrestlers, it's still the same motions. It's like, we know that if you hit someone here, how they actually react, because we've seen it thousands of times for real.

But you guys are still like, if someone punches you in the neck, you're not going to be passed out on the floor. It was also like some wrestlers got upset because I was explaining that a figure four leg lock doesn't work. Not only does it not work, but you're setting yourself up for heel hook. Okay. I'm like, let me explain.

Yeah, yeah. And they were mad. Like, how dare you disrespect wrestling? It's also like if you clothesline someone, that's going to hurt you. No, no, no. That's not true. If someone 200 pounds hits me here, it's not going to hurt my shoulder? No, no.

Okay, then I don't know What the fuck I'm talking about This issue No I'll fuck you up With a clothesline How That's like Dude you're just hitting

Someone in the head With your forearm You could fuck somebody up With a clothesline Really 100% In the neck 100%

But it's not gonna hurt you No I mean it might Okay Look every time you punch someone You could break your hand Sure But no

You could clothesline someone. That shit's totally legit. Not only that, people get KO'd from that all the time. It's like a leg, like if you kick someone in the neck, right? Like if someone gets neck kicked, they go out. Bang. Sure. A lot of times.

You can do that with your arm. Same thing. Same motion. Your shin is stronger, for sure, than your forearm. But especially this way. See, there's two bones right there's the the ulnar and what's the tibia fibula no that's your leg okay i don't tibia is i broke the fibula the the the smaller one or the tibia which one i broke the little one which one's the

big one which one's your shin your tit your femur's the top and then the leg bones connected to the fibula i think it's the fibula i broke i broke the one think it's the tibia And the fibula I think it's the fibula I broke I broke the one What's that? The tibia is the bigger one Yeah I broke the smaller one It was fucking gross

It was really painful And they couldn't do anything about it It was just a hairline fracture Oh See that guy just Got clotheslined by this dude Boom Okay you're right

That's a cop Wow But the cop doesn't know how to land it Look he went down with it too He probably broke his fucking arm That's how you get right. That's a cop. But the cop doesn't know how to land it. Look, he went down with it, too. He probably broke his fucking arm. That cop broke his arm. See? That cop's barely using his arm. It definitely works out. Okay. Yeah, like,

in the UFC, well, the thing is, like, my point was, I think the big, where's the big bone, where's the little bone? I think in the front, this happens all the time, guys get kicked, and this bone breaks well actually sometimes both of the bones break but it with a spinning back fist when they're landing it a lot of times they're landing it with their with their forearm we're not landing it with the actual

fist what about randy savage if you're jumping off the top rope on your elbow won't you break your elbow or kill the person if you're landing on his neck you will hurt him for sure and you're jumping off the top rope on your elbow, won't you break your elbow or kill the person if you're landing on his neck? You will hurt him for sure. And you're slamming down the elbow. It's definitely got more force. But when you're getting on top of someone and you're smashing with elbows, which you can do in MMA, you can generate incredible amounts of force. If you ever watch a guy work out on a heavy bag where the heavy bag is on the ground, they work ground and pound just boom boom i mean you think about that being your fucking head it's great but and if you're 200 pounds 250 jumping off a rope on an elbow at a small point i would think that would i mean break something in there it could it could just really hurt hitting him though that's the

yeah part of the thing he doesn't hit him right sure but if that were for real but just that first of all the reality is just that alone. I mean, even though he only like bounces off of him a little bit. Yeah, he's just got it down where he lands first with the feet. If you watch the impact, if you slow it down, the feet land first, and then he's absorbing all of it, and just he lands the side of his body on the guy's chest. Okay. But it's chest. Okay. But it's a secondary impact.

Boom, see? Oh, he collapses. It's like one, two. It's like he won two, and he doesn't hit him that hard. But he hits him hard enough that it sucks. Like, it ain't fun to be a wrestler. Yeah, it's gonna hurt. It's a tough gig.

But that shit would work. Clothes lining someone would work. It's just not ideal. The ideal thing to do if someone's right is just palm them in the face. If you could clothes line them, to do Is just palm them in the face If you could clothesline them You could also just palm them in the face The good thing about the palm in the face

Is that first of all It's extremely difficult to break your palm Like this Think about what you can do This is an oak table And I'm slamming my hand into it I have no pain at all You can't do that with any other part of your body

You can't kick it like that With your. You can't kick it like that. If with your shin, you know, you can't punch it like that with your knuckles. Even your elbow kind of hurts more than your palm. The palm, you can really fucking smack that. I hear you got the funny bone, too. Yes. Yeah. But you could fuck somebody up with an elbow, though.

Sure. Like in Muay Thai, it's one of the eight points of contact. But a palm strike, if someone's charging at you, just smack them. You could have a tremendous impact on your hand and still get away with it and knock someone out john hackleman who is uh chuck liddell's former trainer trainer of um um actually current trainer if he still works out trainer glover to share just one of the best guys in mma he uh has these little videos on his instagram i think it's the pit or pit master pit master on Instagram

talking about street self-defense things and he's always advocating hitting people with your palm. So people break their hands all the time. Isn't that the whole thing? Hit him in the nose to kind of... That's not real. That's not real? The idea of drive the bone up to the brain. You'll break their nose. Not that you're going to kill them, but like that's the easiest self-defense move. Hit them anywhere, even the side

of the head, but the idea is hitting them with the palm. I thought you're going to kill them, but like that's the easiest self-defense move. Hit them anywhere, even the side of the head. But the idea is hitting them with the palm. I thought you were going to say, when I said that's not real. There was one where kids, it was like a karate movie. There was a guy who would hit the palm up to the nose. The nose bone would go into the brain. It would kill someone.

That happened in like a Seagal movie. Just smash him in the nose. I thought you were going to say that. But the idea is that you could just, without worry of consequences, you could palm strike someone in the face really hard and never break your hand. A regular person throwing a punch, you have a real good chance of breaking your hand. Okay.

Real good chance. If you crack someone in the forehead, most likely you're going to break your hand or your wrist or something else. But with your palms, you could just fucking waylay somebody. You could smack the shit out of somebody with your palms. But then you look kind of silly. You do. There was an organization, an MMA organization back in the early days called Pancrase.

I think they might be still around, but they have modified rules. But at Pancrase back in the day, they wore wrestling shoes with shin pads, and they wore like little tiny little Speedos, and they would smack each other with their hands. So they would kick and punch and do submission techniques it was fairly crude in comparison to today's mma but we got to see a lot of leg locks back then and there was there was some fishy fights too but my point is like boss rootin was the first guy who figured out how to really fuck people up with palm strikes and what he did is he has really flexible wrists.

He's a badass striker. So he learned how to pull his hands way back, and he would just throw them like punches. He would just do the same motions that he would do with a punch, but just smash guys with his palms. And he was lighting people up like a Christmas tree in Pancrase with that. It was horrific to watch.

He KO'd a bunch of people with his palms. Huh. See if you watch Boss Rootin KO. Put Boss Rootin KO's Funaki. He KO'd Funaki, who is like an elite MMA fighter. He was Hickson Gracie's last opponent when Hickson was fighting MMA. But Funaki, I think, started out in Pancrase.

And Boss Rootin KO'd him. And the way he KO'd him was like like a punch but he was doing it with his palms and just smashing people so it's like your hand

like there's a lot of things you think wouldn't work clothesline's one of them that shit would work okay that's my point not the honky tonk man's move though

what's the honky tonk the shake rattle and roll And he just flips him On his back It's like Why does this even hurt You don't remember this You didn't watch

Wrestling in the 80s No well how about The DDT Here so here's Boss Look at that knee He KO'd him With the knee

Yeah but back up Before that Back up before that Here Watch how he's Hitting him So he's using Look boss was a

Fucking gorilla back then Look at the size of him See he's smacking the shit out of him He's using his hands See how he's hitting him with his hands Yeah yeah yeah He's throwing him like punches But his knees did it

Boom Yeah Boss was a beast man He was a fucking beast He was probably the first really elite striker That we saw in MMA Where you're like whoa Like this is what can happen like when he was kicking people in pancreas everybody's like whoa like this is this guy can fucking kick like you're

seeing a lot of guys who are kicking that were kind of like karate based maybe they didn't have as much power but boss was he was a dutch kickbox he was smashing people boom he looks scary as shit too he was a bad motherfucker bad motherfucker he won the ufc heavyweight title he was smashing people boom he looks scary as shit too he was a bad motherfucker bad motherfucker he won the ufc heavyweight title he was the first guy ever i think in my recollection to win a title off of his back by uh from strikes he fought kevin random and kevin random as a badass wrestler kept taking him down and Boss was beating The shit out of him From the bottom Throwing elbows And they gave him a decision

Which a lot of people Disagreed with But I was like man You look at the volume Of strikes landed Boss landed way more You Just being on top

Is not good enough You have to actually Do something with the position Huh Okay This is not a subject I'm an expert in Taking the road

Yeah yeah yeah Yeah this is This is the old school You gotta realize look at body kick Fucked people up man Boss Rooten was no joke man Dude he was fucking people up Nobody had seen anything like that Those guys just couldn't strike like that

They didn't have that kind of power You'd see the impact but then you know Like all things it caught up Yeah yeah The UFC then they got of power you'd see the impact but then you know like all things it caught up yeah yeah oh good lord the ufc then they got um there was some elite fighters to start showing up in the ufc rando veet smashing machine mark kerr mark kerr yeah well he was different man he was a wrestler he was a wrestler slash science project yeah he was juiced up real good oh my god that's to put

it mildly yeah this is a great documentary yeah the smashing machine you saw it yeah yeah it's amazing it caught him they were they were that documentary the purpose of it was initially to catch him as the scariest fighter on the planet this guy who was just this goliath who was just dominating people in japan but in the process of documenting it he was falling apart that's him when he was at his biggest he was his his neck would start at his ears man look at the size of him and he was very skillful as well i mean just really he was all american wrestler before that right elite wrestler and um just just gigantic look at that upper left hand picture upper left look at

that one same one yeah but click on that that's the one i started no why is it no that's different it's very different it's the same photo no it's not it's just different effects yeah but look at that one looks like shit go to the other one again that's a different version of it look at the fucking jesus christ that is insane the fact that a person Could get to look like that That is insane There's guys that look like that At my gym At fuck you all At Harvard Fitness

Who are listening to this show In the locker room While my scrawny ass Is right there And you don't even notice me And I You wonder like What it's like walking around

Looking like that Well you could find out If you took all those Same steroids Yeah but they're also like Six you know Yeah Yeah

You would be a mini version of that Yeah I'd be Yeah Like Lee Priest Yeah Do you. Yeah. Yeah. You would be a mini version of that. Yeah, I'd be, yeah. Like Lee Priest, yeah. Do you lift weights? Yeah. What kind of shit do you do? I have a split six days a week. Do you have a trainer?

Yeah. Oh, look at you. Michael Wolff. You're trying to, shout out to Michael Wolff. Yeah. He's like a deadlift guy. Yeah.

Oh, he's a deadlift guy. But it's also important for me psychologically. And for people who are depressed or anxious, I sometimes have a lot of downtime. So if I go to the gym, I can tell my brain, I'm objectively a better person than yesterday, and I did something today. So it really helps with keeping you mentally grounded. I'm never going to get jacked, but I learned this from Matt Hughes. Matt Hughes was the first one to take me to a learned this from Matt Hughes. Matt Hughes was the first one to take me to a gym.

Really? Yeah. Matt Hughes was the first one to take you to a gym? Yeah, I co-authored his book. Wow. And I realized, I don't have to look like Mark Kerr.

I could still look like a better version of me. Yes. And when you have that realization, it's very liberating. The mental health benefits are gigantic. And people need to realize that.

And the thing is other people who are like really like the first day i went i was all nervous and i don't know what i'm doing and there was a guy i wish i could thank him he's like are you done with this machine and i'm like yeah he goes thanks brother i'm like all right no one here is judging you everyone's doing their own shit yeah and if you're if you're happy you're working out and if you're fat everyone's cheering you on yeah yeah yeah they they're like fuck yeah you're getting it good for you no the opposite of what people would think yeah so no one cares uh it's i really recommend it yeah there's a lot of gyms have a good culture of support a good culture of encouragement you know like there's a reason why a lot of people that are on instagram are fitness

people that are also motivational. Yeah. This is the culture of these communities. Like when you see people doing reps like, come on, come on, you got it, you got it, you got it. Like that sort of support is – there's something too. There's endorphins that get released when you're all pushing each other together. I mean that's one of the big rushes of martial arts training is that you're pushing each other. You work out together and then afterwards it's over afterwards over you just everything seems to be more normal and everything seems

more rational and i have people follow me on twitter insta like jack people and they give me advice and they're very supportive that yes and that's the thing that's the real big misconception i guess from those movies the same rom-coms will tell you that the guy who's like a big guy's a bully and sometimes he is but most of the people who are like serious about fitness they want other people to be like come on this this will be great for you yeah i think most people's experience with bullies is really high school stuff right it's like jocks in high school and a lot of them are just as we're saying insecure and a lot of them are also probably it's probably their experience experiencing at home from their dad and i think that's changed a lot of them are also probably experiencing at home from their dad.

And I think that's changed a lot because thanks to the internet now, I think the jocks respect the nerds a lot more. When I was working with Hughes and I met all those fighters, they could not be friendlier or more like, hey, you're doing your thing. I do my thing. I can relate to that. That's awesome. So there was no, oh'll look at this pussy or whatever like that yeah

well fighters are a lot nicer than people think but they're because they're so disciplined it's that for sure and they know what it's like to get their ass kicked and it's humbling

Masayama who's a famous karate guy he said it's not that fighters are any nicer it's karateka he was calling it

you know karate practitioners were any nicer it's just they fighters are any nicer. It's karateka, he was calling it, karate practitioners, were any nicer. It's just they're tired from training. He might be right, but they do behave nicer because of that. It's a both. But I think it's also one of the things I love about the Internet is that if you're doing your thing now,

people respect someone else who's doing their own weird thing as opposed to when we were kids, there'd be that one weirdo. Like, I had this tweet. There's two types of people, right? If you learn someone is a guinea pig breeder, there's two approaches. You're weird, what the fuck's wrong with you? Or sit down and tell me everything. And I'm very much, and people who follow me are the second one.

It's like, you're doing your thing. It gives you joy and passion. I've never heard of it. Let me know. i want to know dude i watched an episode of anthony bourdain's old show it was called no reservations and he was in i forget what country it was but these people bred guinea pigs for food oh yeah south america cafes yeah they had guinea pigs running around the house oh they were all over the place Yeah And then when they wanted To cook something

They reached down And grabbed a guinea pig Just picked it up And killed it Oh yeah And cooked it And all the other guinea pigs Didn't even fucking notice

Oh yeah They're so domestic They're really dumb But they don't It's a good argument For eating guinea pigs It's like they don't seem To miss their friend

I just got Someone just paypaled me A contribution 300 bucks, Adam. And he says, go out to dinner, buy something stupid. So you bought a guinea pig? Hold on. No, better.

If someone says this is for stupid things, I'm like, all right, it's an order. It's your money. Okay. So I bought some stupid things. I'm going to give you some money. Buy something stupid. I got this. And I'm like, elephant is unethical.

They recognize themselves in mirror. They have a social structure. This is giraffe. It's stupid. I got a giraffe leather wallet. Let me see that. Here you go.

Wow. But it's nice and it's stupid. Giraffes are so nice. They're dumb. They're like cows. Are they dumb or are they just docile?

No, they're dumb. They're dumb. Are you sure? I'm positive. Do you run scientific tests? My friend owns, my friend's parents each own a zoo. They own a zoo. I've gone with him to different zoos.

Giraffes are very dumb. But they're so peaceful that they let little kids feed them at the zoo. That's one of the only animals where they let people feed them. That's true. And they just reach out with their tongue. Yeah. I'll never forget that. My daughter was like two, taking her to the zoo, and her giggling and laughing.

They're amazing. The big crazy tongue comes out and grabs the lettuce. They can clean their ears with their tongue. Boop. Yeah. That was a joke that I used to have about how they're the only animal that I could point to that's a wild animal that doesn't seem to have any problem with domestication. Yeah. When they're at the zoo, they're like, another day with no lions.

And just strolling around. There's no one to eat them. Did you ever see that blue planet where the lions are trying to kill the giraffe in the desert? And he's just kicking them in the face. Dude, they kick them and break their fucking jaws. They're no joke. It's really dangerous for lions when they fuck with zebras or giraffe zebras as well. Yeah, yeah.

But whenever they fuck with any animal with hooves, that's probably one of the reasons why they have hooves. It's like a weapon, same like they have antlers. I mean, it certainly helps them traverse difficult terrain and helps them run and protects their feet. Where do you draw the line when it comes to leather or different animals? That's a good question. Yeah. I've gotten very very very interested in elephants you know in terms of like their social

structure and what they're like and and learning about how intelligent they are and how long their memory is and i don't want to have anything to do with elephant leather or ivory unless it's pre-band a cue a long time ago that had uh elephant ear a wrap. Okay. And I didn't think anything of it. But now I think Yeah. That's my line. Like they have elephant wallets and I was like no I'm not comfortable with this. But here's the thing man. Pigs

are super fucking smart. Pigs are real sweet and when you domesticate them. Like people have domesticated pigs that as long as they're well fed they behave a lot like dogs the only difference being of course if you fall in the pig pen they will fucking eat you yeah and they do yeah often that's a very common way for farmers to die they fall in the pig pen and they find like scraps of clothes and like oh my god and just a puddle

blood my buddy the fuck is left there yeah so and now thankfully they're coming out with this kind of synthetic food you know the synthetic meat people no that mimics pork or chicken and it's not mimicking it's actual chicken cells or pork cells or whatever yes yes and that's going to be a great day yeah that brings me to the beyond burger that people uh keep google this because i want to make sure this is true because Someone sent me this. I didn't have the time to check. Beyond Meat test positive for glyphosate. What's glyphosate? Glyphosate is Roundup.

Monsanto is very fucking dangerous. They're trying to pretend it's not. But meanwhile, they're dishing out fucking lawsuits. One couple got, what is it, $2 billion? They got a $2 billion ruling against Monsanto. Another guy got $5 million. But it's just, it's a $2 billion? They got a $2 billion ruling against Monsanto. Another guy got $5 million. But it's a $2 billion because they got cancer from being pesticides. I'm like, I'll drink that shit for $2 billion. They got a good lawyers.

They're probably going to lose. I mean, that seems like a lot of money. Yeah, of course. But I was reading that it's a meat-based, a non-meat-based burger that's supposed to taste pretty similar to meat. I haven't had one. No, but what I'm saying is now they figured out how to take cells and replicate them. It actually is meat. No, right.

But it's ethically because no animal is being killed. Right. Which is the ideal. I just wonder if it's dangerous for you. But this glyphosate thing, I need to find out if this is correct. That's the only reason why I brought it up. I just remembered. And I think it's important for people to have.

This is one of the best things about that whole kind of uh paleo whole foods situation of know what if you're going to act in a certain way towards your food know what you're doing yeah and be happy to draw that line about okay what are you comfortable with and defend your decision yeah yeah what what are you willing to kill? You know, my friend Chris Pratt has a – he's got a farm. He's got like his own thing that he does. And he takes lamb and, you know, he puts the rod on their head and puts them to sleep. And they have no idea what's going to happen. And then they just die instantly.

And he made this like really detailed post on Instagram about it. And people got super upset with him you know that he talked about this as a peaceful thing and that he has these animals that he loves and cares for and you see pictures of him like touching them and holding them and then later they're packaged up as meat and i'm like but but if you saw just a steak you wouldn't have a problem with it like if someone said look i cooked the steak you'd get a steak, you wouldn't have a problem with it. Like if someone said, look, I cooked this steak, you'd get a lot of people like, ooh, that looks good. But if it's like I killed this animal and now I'm going to cook it, people are like, you're a monster. But everyone has to – other than getting hit by a car, people have to put down their dogs and their cats.

Yeah. So maybe this is not – and that lamb is being bred for that purpose. And it's being done painlessly. That's the important thing. And I'm sure that lamb had a good life and it wasn't a factory crowded, shoulder to shoulder existence and torture situation. Yeah, I'm sure. But it's a very quick life. You know, a lamb is a baby.

Sure. Lamb's a baby sheep. But nature's about us eating babies. Yeah. I haven't had mutton. I haven't had like a sheep sheep. You know, that's such a British thing. And it's always like

in these old storybooks you'd read but like now i don't think sheep get become adult unless they're for their fur or their hair well i've had wild sheep my friend remy remy warren he gave me some some um wild sheep um backstrap it was very good some wild sheep that he killed but i'm gonna while i'm here i'm gonna try um hagfish have you had that fish that's that weird fucking slimy thing yeah at the bottom of the ocean how do they cook that i it's korean barbecue there's one place here that has it i like oh super legit korean barbecue yeah yeah they're cooking hagfish yeah well i'm cooking it i guess technically what does it taste like i haven't tried it yet. I can't wait. What's the reports? Not that good.

I'm not surprised. Please, like, sign me up. Well, I like, since I have a zoology background, I'm like Noah, but I want to eat two of every animal, you know? Have you had jellyfish yet? I have. It's tasteless. It's weird, right? It's like plastic.

Yeah. It's the sauce that has the test. It's strange. I ate at a restaurant that's in the Wynn. Yeah, it's in the Wynn yeah it's in the Wynn and it's the only five star

Chinese restaurant in the country or in North America it was insanely good like you realize like wow it's true like you don't see

a whole lot of gourmet right like super high end Chinese restaurants what did you have anything weird there? yeah I had that I had jellyfish sea cucumber? I had no I didn't have anything weird there? Yeah, I had that. I had jellyfish.

Sea cucumber? No, I didn't have that. I had abalone. That was really, that was not that tasty. A lot of times it's like credit cards, abalone. It wasn't that tasty. I've had abalone before and I liked it.

I like it. I don't love it. It's expensive too. What do you got, Jamie? So from a couple articles I just found, the issue seems to be in pea protein, which is what is used to make these burgers. And what I found about what you were saying is the Impossible Burger actually tested 11 times higher when tested for glyphosate than the Beyond Meat Burger, which is – there's two different versions of what's available.

Wait, wait, wait. I eat pea protein protein chips every day. Is that a problem? So there's an article I found. I bet you're getting some glyphosate. What does that mean?berg that says p protein could have its own concerns the detox project a research organization looking into pesticides of glyphosate has been looking into it for over a year it says that there's there is an issue there's we can hardly find

a clean protein anywhere the results like those for other products tested for the popular pesticides aren't pretty it's a a very, we can hardly find a clean pea protein source anywhere. Jesus Christ, it's all got glyphosate. But I still don't know what glyphosate does to me. Glyphosate, this was the idea, and please Google this, because

the argument was glyphosate is great because it just kills the weeds and bacteria and it doesn't kill people. You can actually drink it. But the problem they're saying is, no, no, no. You have bacteria in your body. So if you're taking in glyphosate, you're killing the bacteria in your body.

It might not kill you, but it's not good for you, and it fucks up your system. This is the argument, I guess, that they use to present in court they must have used this to to get the jury to award them two billion dollars in damage cancer yeah yeah that's not a good word monsanto parent company bear faces thousands of roundup cancer cases after two billion dollar verdict 13 000 cases right now yeah listen man this thing i don't know see there's this is what the problem first of all i'm a moron i don't know anything about any of the science behind this when i read this i see two different camps sure just like so many other things i see people saying there's no evidence this is just they're all hysteria but is that the people that work for bayer is that like

their pr firm that's putting this out there to try to alleviate people's concerns and stop some lawsuits in their tracks? They're trying to influence public opinion on this? Or is there real science that shows that this stuff is very bad for you? But there's definitely a bunch of people online that are telling me that it's horrible for you. Here, exposure to glyphosate-based herbicides and a risk for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma,

a meta-analysis and supporting evidence. I don't want to switch off my pea protein. That ain't good, bro. Just switch to hemp. Hemp protein? But that should get tested too. What am I saying?

Just start eating steak. I can't. It's hard for me to eat that much. What's the problem, bro? What's the problem? Do you know who David Frank is? That was the most Joe Rogan thing that's ever happened. Do you know who David Frank is? I don the most Joe Rogan thing that's ever happened. Do you know who David Frank is?

I don't. Is that his name? Hold on. I'll send it to you, Jamie. There's a fucking hilarious guy who is this big steroided up bodybuilder dude that's also very, very funny. Okay. You see the one that does the bro science videos?

He's very... Bro life. He's always talking like this. Let me find his uh is he gonna get me all swole i sent it to these guys to uh the my um i have a fight companion twitter feed that's going i'm not twitter feed um text message group text here it is robert frank Hold on a sec. Abortion.

Yeah. Here, I'm going to send this to you. Hang on a second. Do you know what it is, Jamie? Robert Frank 615. It's private. It is? Oh, no.

Oh, so he's going to sign up? He's got a million followers, but I don't follow him. Oh, it's one of them deals. Because he says a lot of crazy shit. All right. So how long does it take? You can send me the link. I just pray we'll see it.

Okay. Hold on a second. I'm going to text it to you right now. How long does it usually take for those people? They have to be either one of those dorks that sit in front of their computer or someone's doing it for you. Yeah. He must have allowed me in. All right. I'm sending it to you. Yeah. He must have allowed me in. All right.

I'm sending it to you right now. Bam. Okay. It went through. Did it go through? Anyway, it's hilarious. We'll take it out in post. It's hilarious.

This is no taking anything out in post. We're lazy. No need to try to make it smoother. It's hard to put the calories down, though, is my point. No, it's not. Open your mouth. Chew. Swallow.

What are you, a baby? Your grandfather would have died for a steak like this. Jesus Christ. Listen to yourself. You're saying all this shit that you would get mad at people if they were saying it about any other subject. It's hard. It's hard to eat all that food. It's hard.

It's hard to get by in this world. It's hard. It's hard hard it's hard to get up every morning it's hard i work hard i work hard how fucking hard is it to eat steak look at me bro just eat it cook it eat it put some salt on it delicious maybe you like some steak sauce do whatever you got to do to get that steak down your stomach, sir? Get some grass-fed. Grass-fed. Grass-fed, grass-raised. It's got a darker, richer taste. It seems like a lot of work. Grass-fed? No, just cooking steaks all the time. It's not that hard. You learn how to do it. It's easy. Is it? Get yourself a nice grill. All right. I'm in Brooklyn now. You're in Brooklyn. You got a yard? No. No. Oh, you're angry. I'm in Brooklyn. Come on. Okay. Got a cast iron skillet? I can get one.

That's all you need. It's not going to stink at my house? Yeah, it'll stink up your house. Okay. That'll smell like a man. Your house is going to smell like a steak. Yeah. Like a man's house.

Okay. Smell good. People will be like, Jesus, that Michael's living good. He's got the steak life. He'll be knocking on your door. Is that butcher box, bro? Is that grass fed? Let me go.

Just cut it for me. Let me see what you got. You got a medium rare? Oh, yeah. Kosher salt? Yeah. Well, I got to be kosher, me. Let me see what you got. You got a medium rare? Oh, yeah. Kosher salt? Yeah. Well, I got to be kosher, Joe. I got to be kosher.

Because it's a thicker salt. That's what I use. I like the pyramid salt. What's that? It's shaped like a pyramid of crystals. Really? Yeah. They do it a certain way.

No. It's crunchier. If you're going to cook a steak like a man correctly, you need kosher salt. Okay. How many grams of protein are in a steak? A lot. That's all you need to know. Shove it down your fucking mouth. You need kosher salt Okay How many grams of protein are in a steak? A lot That's all you need to know Just shove it down your fucking mouth

I follow my macros every day Oh, are you really getting serious about that? I've always been Because I have an eating disorder So this is a way to put that in a good direction Okay Yeah You'd have to look

I mean, it's certainly more for wild game Which is mostly what I eat Than it is for Store bought meat Okay But store bought meat I would I would guarantee you

That there's more Nutrients in grass fed meat Sure I don't know if there's more protein That doesn't seem to make sense But if you look at like It could be more protein Because they might be less fat

Yeah Or whatever But more fat yes That's true too Of course it would be more protein If it was leaner Yeah or whatever, but more fat, yes. That's true, too. Of course, it would be more protein if it was leaner for the same amount of ounces. Yeah. But there's also a bunch of other shit, mTOR and essential fatty acids that exist in grass-fed meat. It's all good stuff.

Okay. Just get some steak. Stop with the pea protein, bro. Okay. Sorry, prots. I'm not eating your pea protein anymore. They might be fucking you up, man. I wonder. I wonder not eating your pea protein anymore. They might be fucking you up, man. I wonder.

I wonder how many people are getting... What are the dangers of consuming glyphosate other than non-Hodgkin's lymphoma? Maybe this is what you're seeing over and over in people. It better not kill my gains. There was... My gains! I don't think pea protein is helping your gains.

There's something about knowing that you're getting all your protein from peas. Not all of it. Some of it. It just makes you... 60 grams a day. What do you got, Jamie? An endocrine disruptor.

Oh, that's just no joke. That's what glyphosate is? Oh, fuck. Liver disease, birth defects, reproductive problems in animals. Oh, Christ. Where is this from? Just typed in dangers of glyphosate. I don't want to get a birth defect.

I don't know what get a birth defect. I don't know what that is. Pull up whatever USRTK is. It might be horseshit. We should otherwise. It's a.org. U.S. right to know. Right to know.

That sounds sketchy. That still doesn't mean anything. What is that based on? This does not look legitimate. Look at that top news on the right. Trial for Monsanto hometown. It's top news on the right trial for monsanto hometown it's all monsanto everything's monsanto this is not legitimate it's just news stories from today they're all over the news right but you got to be careful this this is not real story though look at all the top news is all click on their contact i bet you it's just some uh it should

have a some dude gOs What is it? Our litigation Oh they're litigating This is from the lawyers Could be This is from the lawyers Pushing for truth and transparency Yeah this is the lawyers

Yeah the food system This is Listen If there are two billion dollar rulings You can bet your sweet ass Leg flies to shit People that are swarming on this subject Alright

What would be a better source of information? I don't know man That's a good question What do we got here? Alex Let's call Alex Alex Jones He'll know

He I don't know if he's up on food stuff He knew about the The plastic wrap that gives you Raises your kind of estrogen Oh the ones that makes the frogs gay? The juice box The stuff that makes people gay

Scientific American Yeah Okay That sounds good That's good 2009 Weed whacking herbicide proves deadly to human cells.

Used in gardens, farms, and parks around the world, the weed killer Roundup contains an ingredient that can suffocate human cells in a laboratory. Researchers say,

yeah. So it will kill my gains if it's suffocating my cells. Fuck that. Whatever that is, whatever has that on it, fuck that stuff. Okay.

I'm going to go to more whey then. Just carnivore diet. That's your move. Okay. Yeah, like Jordan Peterson. Jordan's on carniv fuck that stuff. Okay. I'm going to go to more whey then. Just carnivore diet. That's your move. Okay. Yeah, like Jordan Peterson. Jordan's on carnivore? Yes. Okay.

Over a year. Huh. It's helped him tremendously. How so? Well, first of all, intellectually. He says it's really alleviated a lot of his autoimmune issues that he thinks were slowing him down and wearing him out and making him tired. And he has more energy.

Okay. For things he says. He's at his peak intellectually And he credits that A lot of that Through this diet He's lost 50 pounds All he eats is meat When I'm saying

All he eats is meat I mean That's it He drinks water There's none Okay He doesn't have any of that He drinks water

And he eats meat And for the people Oh yo I heard this I heard that Okay You know what else I heard I heard that

The food pyramid Was all green at the bottom, and that's not the case anymore. There's a lot of shit, and I'm not saying this is for everybody, because it's not for everybody. It's not even good for everybody. There's a lot of people, if they ate meat every day, all day, it would probably be terrible for them. But for some people, it seems that particularly people with autoimmune disorders,

they achieve, at least anecdotally, some really positive results. Jordan Peterson has gone as far as to take, I think he took three blood tests when he had one year in for insurance purposes and much things. Because obviously you're going to insure a guy who's 55 years old just eats steak all the time. Like, oh my God, this guy's going to die. No, everything's fine. Everything's healthy. No coronary artery disease, no plaque, no cholesterol levels are all fine. Everything's fine.

This sounds like it would be exorbitant though. Financially? Yeah. Maybe. Not the cheapest way to eat in the world. I mean, you can get Costco steaks. You can get some supermarkets have cheaper cuts. It really depends on what you know.

You could also eat just ground beef. That's not as bad. You don't eat as much, and that's one of the reasons why when you're on what they call an elimination diet, one of the cool things, you eliminate basically everything that might be fucking with you except the one thing that you can consume easily, and this is one of the things they're calling the carnivore diet and an elimination diet. When you do,

you wind up eating less food, which is one of the reasons why these people just eat steak and wind up losing weight. They don't take in any carbs at all. So it's basically also kind of Atkins

if they're not taking in carbs. Sort of, but there's a thing called glucogenesis and not necessarily sort of Atkins, but sort of keto. But it's more Atkins than keto. And that Atkins diet works. Oh, yeah, it does.

If you stick to it, it does work. It will lose weight. And when your pee starts to smell, it's great. That's when you know the party started. Yeah. You're in ketogenesis. It's great. Or ketosis.

Ketosis. And when you're in ketosis man You really do have energy throughout the day Because your body's not craving carbohydrates So you don't have this up and down blood sugar crash The thing about the carnivore diet Is it's not even ketogenic really I mean you're in ketosis sometimes

But you're not eating that much fat You're just eating a lot of meat And a lot of it with fat Some of it without fat I thought ketosis is low When you have no carbs It's not a function of meat And a lot of it with fat Some of it without fat I thought ketosis is when you have no carbs No, here's why Because when your body eats a lot of steak And you don't have any carbohydrates

Your body does something called glucogenesis Where it will convert steak into glucose So it will actually convert protein Into glucose And it will actually knock you out of ketosis If you take in too much protein and not enough fat. Okay. Oh, it's got a proportion.

Ketosis is, I think, somewhere in the 80% range. You should be consuming like 80% of your calories from fats. You'd be kind of amazed. And actually can fuck with some people's gains if they don't think they're getting enough protein because they're getting a lot of fat and a smaller amount of protein like less grams of protein might not be ideal in terms of like physical performance for athletes they think but when you when you do do that and you just eat steak your body says all right this asshole doesn't want to eat apples you know we have to figure out how to get our carbs yeah we have to get to figure out how to get our sugar so we're just going to get it through the steak huh okay yeah it's a weird

thing it's like people some people are unaware of that but your body literally produces it turns protein into like a glucose substitute or glucose actual it's glucogenesis yeah you can do it i've done it for several days i've never done it for for long periods of time, but I wanted to try it when they were doing National Carnivore Month. A lot of these knuckleheads. People are so into it. Carnivore diet is a lot like the vegan diet. They can't shut the fuck up about being a carnivore. My buddy, Michael Goldstein, who is the first person I know who's about Bitcoin.

Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin. Same thing with carnivore. Carnivore, carnivore, carnivore. It's like, all right. So I tried it for a couple of weeks. I think I went from like close to two weeks. And after a while, I was like, Jesus Christ, I just want to eat regular foods. I'm not being – I'm not joking.

I would think you'll be a problem with getting it stuck in your teeth all the time. No, you just brush your teeth. What are you, disgusting? What's wrong with you? Do you have a toothpick at home? Excuse me. I have every flavor of Marvis on my shelf right now. What is Marvis? Oh, interesting.

Now who doesn't know about tooth care? What's Marvis? Marvis is the Italian toothpaste brand. It looks really cool. Although the flavors are so far. The point is brushing your teeth is not going to get it not stuck in between your teeth. That's not going to help. Flossing.

Yeah. You're going to be up to flossing all the time. Yeah. Or just bite off bigger chunks Like a man Just swallow it Oh can I tell Stop all this chewing

Can I tell you a story about this This just happened to me Yes And this is when I realized That most people There's no mind there I am at a buffet I'm eating steak

I was eating steak Congratulations I It gets stuck in my throat I'm like alright It's just too big a piece i'll just wash it down it's not going anywhere and i realize i'm choking and it was a very scary situation in the sense that mentally i knew there is a percent chance that i'm gonna die did you try

to throw up hold on hold on let me tell the story joe rogan so i'm sitting there i'm like holy shit i'm choking and i'm like all right i was calm, I'm like, holy shit, I'm choking. And I'm like, all right, I was calm, but I'm like, your life is currently in danger. And there's three people at the next table, two women in their 50s, a guy in their 60s. I go up to them and I'm like, I know what to do because I was at school. And I go to them and I go, I'm choking.

And I did the hand motion and I make eye contact with each of them. No affect on their face. And I'm like, at the very least, you have a crazy person coming up to your table doing a neck motion. Were you in New York? Yeah. That's a problem. People are desensitized.

I did this to myself and it shot out. Oh, God. How did you do it to yourself? Show me how. I just did this. So you can cough Heimlich? I don't know if it was the cough or whatever it popped out and all the liquid too after it and i go to them i go i was just choking and they're like oh well you should show your food better i'm like someone was just fuck said that to you the one the ladies should get

that lady's name she doesn't have a name because there's not a human being there there's no mind and i'm like holy shit if i saw this happen and i didn't help i would be like oh my god you just oh my holy shit are you okay it was like oh you should chew your food you're not a soul how old was this lady in her 50s somebody probably just treated her bad man not bad enough bad relationships it was scary the reaction was scarier than the choking yeah i would imagine well i think that's a really common thing with big cities that that sort of there's a diffusion of responsibility when there's so many people there's so many you don't feel responsible for this guy with his hands on his neck saying i'm coughing like somebody else go take somebody

handle this i gotta go to work i would be fine if they had shrugged and then like, yeah, whatever. In a sense, but there was no reaction. She's probably so jaded. So whoever you are, lady, I hope that thing's happening to you. Fuck you. I hope you go back in time

and you have a better daddy and a better mommy and better friends. Yeah. And you grow up to be a nice person. And I, and yeah. In her fifties, maybe she could be a yoga teacher. She could have saved someone's life in her mind and be like,

I saved someone's life today. I can go into heaven. Yeah. Maybe she thought you were nuts and you were just trolling her. But if I was nuts, you would think they'd pull back and be like, holy shit, there's a crazy person at our table.

Maybe it's because of your troll-like way. This is a lesson. The universe has sent your way. You're the boy who cried wolf. No, no, no, no,

no. The lesson is you're invincible and nothing cried wolf no no no no the lesson is you're invincible and nothing bad will ever happen ever oh because you survived i survived oh do you know how to do that to someone else though if someone was choking do you know to give a heineck i think i do and we all think we do right that's the thing but it's like you have to get it right here like right where the rib cage the sternum and you push up i think people get their ribs broken all the time yeah Yeah, they're supposed to. You're supposed to do as hard as you can.

Oh, you don't want that. The alternative... Imagine Matt Hughes doing that to you as hard as you can. That would be very painful. Crack, crack, crack, crack, crack. You'd just be like an old chicken. Yeah, no pea protein there. Can you get in trouble for helping and hurting someone? Of course you can, 100%.

Of course. You could get in trouble for shooting a burglar. Especially if you're a strong person. Like if you're like that Robert Frank guy. Did he approve you yet? No. No? Check. I was looking on his Twitter account.

I couldn't tell what the video was. He might have it on Twitter. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I bet he does, right? But isn't he like... He's... I don't know what the topic was. He had a couple videos up, but it could have been.

This is what it looks like. I'll show it to you. For some reason now Instagram wants to send me – Twitter wants to send me to the Instagram from the web and not from – This is what happens when you're on Apple. Why do they do that? Should have been on a web. Should have been on Android. Why does it do that? But have been on an Android. Why does it do that?

Does Android work better for that? For the purpose of the joke, yes. The thing about Google, though, is that I have Android, too. I have an Android phone as well. But doesn't Google collect way more data than Apple does? I think they – yeah, it's my understanding. They're just gathering data and selling it, whereas Apple's kind of trying to avoid that. I want to support that.

Apple did a great, great thing where they had that set up where they can't even break into their phone if they wanted to, and defying law enforcement. That was really wonderful. Not just that, but your information. Right. In terms of your location information and where you're going and what you're doing. Google, every time you're getting online, they're just trying to do like where are you at what do you want what do you need there's a great documentary uh called the creepy line um and they talk about like let's suppose face i'm facebook

and i want to influence elections right what if if i have an ad that says get out and vote it's gonna encourage people vote what if i just ran that ad on Donald Trump fans, people who like Donald Trump? Don't run it on Hillary fans. That would sway the election and no one would know. So what they do with this information is very quiet and there's not that much transparency and it can really lead to, especially with the shit with foreign countries, how with China, how they're like, you know,

being perfectly happy to kind of censor stuff. These are things that need to be asked. Yeah, I was talking to a woman who's an executive, and her position was that if they didn't do it, Google's going to copy it anyway. So might as well just let Google censor, and this way Google won't invent their own Google. Sure. And just copy all the code and steal the code of Google. And that's a fair response.

But these are things that people, I think, should think more about. Yeah. Well, especially with something like China where the government and the industry are all tied in. Right. This is why I was really weirded out by this Huawei thing today when it came to Google. And Google, because you want to say, well, if Google's doing this, clearly there must be a real reason for it. But then you know about the Google memo and James Damore. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Because when you've done that, I've got to go, okay. The guy just provided scientific information, didn't say anything sexist. He was just talking about the facts of studies. Right. And you fired him for what you called, like, what was it, reinforcing sexist stereotypes? And it wasn't the case at all. That's not what he did.

But so many people were complaining about his report on the data that they were asking about. Well, also saying that he doesn't know math and statistics when that was his, does he have an MIT degree? Yeah. Well, he's a coder. Yeah. He's a coder. Yeah. So what happens is when you have this fundamentalist faith, you start with the conclusion and you reason your way backward. And if you're contradicting my conclusion, you're not only wrong, you're a liar and a sinner and have to be driven from the face of the earth. Well, that's why I would ordinarily defer to them. I'm like, wow, this must be pretty serious if Google is looking to take Gmail off of

the new Huawei phones and not update the operating system. But then I go, well, no, that's not necessarily what's going on at all. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. And we might never know. That is a problem when you do one thing like that. There's giant consequences for what they probably thought was a PR disaster, probably have to get rid of this James Damore guy. Let's just do it. We'll justify it. And I think the culture of the company probably supported it.

It's probably very leftist and aggressive. It demanded it. It didn't support it. It demanded it was my understanding. The company. Yeah. Even though it does logically. And the rest, that was really interesting too.

You see outside of the bubble where the rest of the world, the people who actually read his memo and looked at it were like, okay okay what is wrong with what he's saying he's just he's not saying anything bad about women right he's in fact he had a page and a half talking about strategies to get women more interested in tech he was just relaying the information as it stands in terms of the studies that have been done that show what women tend to gravitate towards, what men tend to gravitate towards. These aren't sexist studies. These are studies where they're just trying to figure out why do more women go into healthcare?

Why do, is it opportunity? Is it desire? Like, is it just natural? Cultural? Is it cultural? Yeah, I mean, sure. There's a lot of things. And so data is not sexist.

This guy was just talking about data. And then when you looked at his own ideas, those weren't sexist either. He was just talking about strategies that you can get women to get into. This is where I disagree with you. They will say data is sexist because it has conclusions that contradict what they, air quotes, know to be true. So therefore, if the data contradicts this, the data is sexist. That's so crazy that that's the left. The left used to be science-driven and they were the logical ones.

Jared Their left has, this is one of the big myths, and I talk about this in the book. They have, from Woodrow Wilson on, have this evangelical fundamentalist faith, a segment of the left. There's many people on the left who are very science-driven, who are like, look, these are the facts, let's work it out. But there's a big segment of them, which are very prevalent, where they're basically like jihadis. And you have this on the right as well, where it's just like, these are my conclusions, and we're going to force everyone to fit said conclusions. So you think that even, like, when you go back to, what was that fucking, there was the terrorist organization that Obama's professor was involved in. Oh, the Weathermen. The Weathermen.

Yeah. Like that, you go back to that, similar, almost like an educated version of Antifa. I'm going back to Woodrow Wilson. Yeah, but I mean, if you went back to that, it's real similar to what we're experiencing today. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And there's a book called Days of Rage. And it talks about how in the early 70s

there were bombs going off i think every week in america and they weren't trying to kill people it was political they they called in the bomb threat and be like look we're going to set up a bomb but the point is they there are other simonies living liberation army that had patty hurst a few of them the weather underground they really this was their thing and they blew up a townhouse in new york city you know killed a bunch of people and now they're walking around and they're fine by the underground. They really, this was their thing. And they blew up a townhouse in New York City, you know, killed a bunch of people. And now they're walking around and they're fine.

It's a fascinating, and it's all been swept under the rug. Like people always think that no matter what's happening now, like regard to like these like neo-Nazi types

and like the alt-right, oh, this is the worst time ever. It's like the Klan used to be like a major part of both political parties. Like what are you talking about? Things used to be like a major part of both political parties like what are you talking about things used to be re woodrow wilson is playing birth of a nation at the white house things were really really dark before um and but people don't have the historical context

no it's easy to not know what happened before but just to think about what's going on now and where you want things to go yeah so therefore it's really really bad and therefore must be the worst right yeah there's a better there's a better way to live for sure but i think we went we went into real problems when you start telling people what they can and can't do yeah no matter what it is no matter what it is and you tell people that what they can and can't do you sort of reinforce i think one of the things that's going on now um in terms of uh like these abortion rulings oh gosh yeah yeah which which are very sketchy very scary and the alabama one which essentially just outlaws abortion right they're making it where your punishment for abortion is far greater punishment than the punishment for raping someone and causing them to get an abortion. Well, they don't punish the woman.

I think they punish the doctor. The law punishes the doctor. Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah. The doctor gets 99 years or something like that. That's right. It's the doctor who's being charged, not the woman.

And the question is – That's the difference between Georgia and Alabama, right? Maybe you're right but the question is why do you want this if you regard this mother as a potential murderer do you really want her raising that kid

right force her to gun her head 99 years in jail oh yeah the other thing is that I am very torn

on this issue abortion on Twitter it's such a cesspool of people who don't understand each other. One group saying, oh, it's all about you want to control a woman's body. And the other being like, oh, you want to murder babies. No, no, they don't want to murder babies. And they don't care about the woman.

They care about what they perceive to be the infant. So I try to talk to both. And it's just noise. Yeah, these are rigid ideologies. And they're not persuasive. If you tell someone who is pro-choice, who would otherwise be amenable to your point of view, well, you just want to murder kids, it's like, well, I don't, so there's nothing to talk anymore. Did you see that state representative that was walking around in front of an abortion clinic and was trying to get the names of these kids that were there. Oh, yeah, yeah.

He's still on Twitter. Yeah. No consequences. That's crazy. He was trying to dox kids. He was asking for, he was offering money, bribing them. Yeah. $100.

$100 to get the names of whoever these people are. It's insane. And then he gets to this one boy, and he puts this boy's face on Twitter. He's like just some meek, shy Christian man. He's a big guy. He's big and aggressive, and he's getting in people's face with a camera. Right.

And then he's putting them online, and he's getting a lot of attention and fame for it. And it's crazy. And meanwhile, my buddy Mike, he has a parody account of AOC. He gets kicked off. That's crazy. Yeah. And it's crazy. Yeah. And it says parody. Yeah.

Why can't you do that? I mean, I don't think what he did was even rough. Of course, it wasn't. It wasn't anything really awful. Like, I've read some of the tweets. I was like, they're just kind of funny. They're a parody. Yeah.

What about Saturday Night Live? I mean, come on. Exactly. What do Alec Baldwin does to the president every fucking day on Saturday Night Live? Every week, he's doing a fucking Trump impression on us

right well he should that's their job exactly so it's a complete double standard and the other thing I'll defend Jack

in this regard what we were talking about earlier I'm sure the pressure he gets internally oh my god is off the charts and he even said

this explicitly he goes they were all my whole company was yelling at me to kick off Alex you know for a long time and he even said this explicitly. He goes, they were all, my whole company was yelling at me to kick off Alex for a long time and he refused to do it

for a while. Yeah. It's weird that they don't see the consequences. They don't understand that this is going to go to a bad place. But they do see

the positive consequences where they're preaching to their own tribe and basically, people who aren't like us get to go out in the wilderness. Well, I think human beings are way better at expressing themselves today than they ever have been in the past. I've enjoyed, you know, like if you look at the history of what you could, the message you could get out just 40 or 50 years ago as opposed to what you can get out today.

And then you looked at how culture has radically evolved over the last 40 or 50 years versus where if everything was stagnant like it was in 1950, we would think if you watch like 1950s films or read books about the 1950s, the behavior that people got away with was way different than it is today. Of course. Things are getting better. But one of the reasons why these things are getting better is because people can see everything. You can talk through all the details. Yes. If you think you can just cut off the ugly stuff or cut off the Nazi stuff and cut off this this stuff and you're gonna keep people from getting recruited so you're gonna kill this and you're gonna de-platform this you're also gonna you're gonna enforce assholes to say like there's a

reason why they're silencing us there's a reason why instead of having people going hey no you guys are shitheads and this is a stupid idea, and you guys are all ignorant fools, and your perception of things is so off, and we're going to explain to you while it's off, and we're going to all work this out together. And when they say there's a secret elite who's running this country and wants to control your life. They mean Jews.

Don't they? Shit, jig is up. They know. Shut it down. But this is their proof. They can point to twitter and facebook and they could also say hey they're picking off the same exact people on every platform it's not a coincidence yep whereas david duke is still on twitter is it really yeah of course that's

hilarious is it no but it's telling no it's not hilarious like haha i know but it's yeah they got rid of farrakhan they didn't get rid of David Duke. Right. Right. Because David Duke serves a purpose. What purpose? Because he's a good foil for the left. Because when David Duke endorses a Republican, look, oh, the Republicans are racist. When David Duke endorses Ilhan Omar or Keith Ellison, crickets. He'll be a good, bad guy on payroll.

Like, if I was the Democratic Party, I'd i'd say look dave the jig is up okay everybody knows you're never going to be president right never going to really run for office anywhere legitimate but he's not that good of a bad guy how about this david we'll give you four hundred thousand dollars a year all you have to do is every now and then i'm going to call you up and i'm gonna say dave you know it'd be be interesting? It would be interesting if David Duke endorsed this asshole. And then David Duke just starts talking about this person being a fine American and a white nationalist and all these different – just make up a bunch of quotes and have David Duke put it up there. A lot of people when –

You never shake that off. A lot of people think he's – like not him specifically. Controlled opposition. He's controlled opposition. Oh, that's my favorite. Right? When someone's not banned, they must be controlled opposition. That is one of my favorite conspiracy dork theories.

It is. A controlled opposition is someone who you don't like who hasn't been banned yet. Yeah, controlled opposition. He's a useful idiot. Yeah. Controlled opposition. It's like when people get into these... I've been accused of being a CIA plant.

Ah, you probably are. Probably one of these... A is for anarchy. You know the term cognoscenti? Oh, yeah, yeah. Those in the know. In the know, yeah. Yeah, that's a great term.

And that's perfect for this. It's like, oh, useful idiot. Oh, controlled opposition. I'm in the know. I'm one of the cognoscenti. You're not going to sneak this by me. I understand. But meanwhile, sometimes they're right,

which is why it's really fucked up. It's like sometimes there is controlled opposition. Sometimes there is. Sometimes it's just fake websites that talk about things because somebody wants to win a lawsuit. Look at this. I'm dear, dear. This Casey you're working on, come and look at this website I found. They're killing babies.

That's why it's so important for there to be venues for those people if someone is crazy or brilliant it often looks the same right but how does a person know whether or not that website's right or well once we got to scientific american we both we all agreed like okay this is legit this is a legit claim they're basically talking about cells though they were talking about human cells. I don't know any better way. Destroying human cells. But here's a problem with that, what I was going to say is at what scale? Because, by the way, they've shown that certain elements and plants in a laboratory environment will destroy cells.

Even like phytonutrients. And there was something, one of the head guys for the carnivore diet, Sean Baker posted on his Twitter a while back showing that you can make a lot of weird arguments based on cells, like how things respond to cells. It doesn't necessarily mean once it gets through the organism stage. Yeah, yeah. The only way, in my view, and I'm not an expert on this, is discourse and having a platform where

people can argue at each other and you could stand by and watch and see things otherwise if you're silencing it's it's it's as very as we talked before and i think any right-minded person would agree it's a very very slippery slope i agree did you see the Ben Shapiro meltdown on BBC? I did. Yeah. That's a good example. That's a good example. Look, he didn't handle it well. He knows he didn't handle it well, and I like Ben.

I like him a lot. I think he's a really nice guy. I like talking to him. I don't agree with him on many things, but I really like him. He's a really good guy, and I think he's a very smart guy. I think he's smart enough to admit that he fucked up. He did. He went on Twitter, and here's the thing. I did a meme making fun of him it's on my insta and people are white

knighting for him and i'm like he owned that he played it wrong yeah and he's like yeah i got got that's to his credit yeah and it highlights to me more so than anything the problem with two things one doing a remote show sure where you're from you're in Los Angeles, they're in the UK. Sure. Where he was talking to him like he wasn't there, the British guy was, because he wasn't really there. Right. And then the other part is that short time format. You don't have enough time.

You don't have enough time to have a conversation and just talk. But Ben knows this. Ben is a pro. And he knows what the BBC is too. But this ben is a pro i mean and he knows what the bbc is too but he's also a pro at doing those things yes just shout talking points at each other and talk over and ben talks super fast because when he talks fast it's really hard to keep up with him and he sounds smarter than you like he he's very smart and articulate and he talks fast i was like whoa it's hard he rose to prominence when he was on piers morgan yeah

talking about guns and if you thought that bbc interview was rude piers at one point just goes you're a real stupid man aren't you like that's your line and benton storm off he was just like no i just think when a government becomes usurpacious that it's very important for the citizens to have you know and he handled a good impression thank you we go to the same shul he handled it amazingly so for him as he admitted for him to lose his shit and also to be like, I'm popular and I've never heard of you. Just because you never heard of someone, and I'm sure he would admit this, is of no relevance to the validity of what they're doing. Yeah. That's why I was shocked when I went to JoJo Siwa last night and it was sold out.

I don't know. I literally didn't know who she was until a week ago. A lot of people know her. Probably more so than Ben Shapiro. I'm the second most famous Joe here. What the fuck happened? And she's 16.

If Ben Shapiro did a speech at the Microsoft Center, I don't know how many tickets he sells if he does speeches, but it's a hard sell. 7,000 people is a hard sell. You don't think Ben Shapiro could sell 7,000 tickets? That's a lot.

Yeah, but that's basically getting a two-hour speech in one hour. So that's already half the value. No, but it's getting people out of their house to pay money to come hear people talk. Most of these, when these guys are doing these talks, unless it's Jordan, Jordan can kind of do a football stadium right now. But a lot of these guys are doing like 2,000-seaters. Okay. This is 7,000.

This is a big jump. Okay, two to seven? I bet you he could fill it. Maybe. Maybe. It's possible. I don't know. I don't know if he's doing live ones like that.

There's a lot of people doing live shows now. It's very interesting. It's very old-timey, too. Very old-timey. Yeah. But it's also it's cool to see people that are interested in intellectual like sam harris has some fantastic one and i like some what if some of sam's live ones too because he's funny in them yeah which he's he gets a

chance to actually work to the crowd yeah you know i was talking to him about him like you have good timing yeah you're like a comic like some of the stuff you say actually makes me laugh when he does live ones as opposed to he's very rational and somber when he's doing straight conversation ones you know this as a performer and same with me if you're in front of that audience

and the laugh is out of proportion because there's so many of them it makes you want to be more on it's beating it's tail and it's really really exciting it's also like a nod to the crowd that you know that they're there and you're trying to entertain them you appreciate them like you say something fun like you're doing it they know you're doing it because they're there and it's funny you know and when it's improv it's much more intimate you know when you've got that one liner that you knew wasn't part of his set speech it's great so they're doing theirs their way where it's just conversations.

And it's interesting because they're getting these giant crowds. And they also do produced ones too. Like Radiolab does a produced live one. And it's really interesting. They'll bring someone out and they'll play sound clips. And I don't know if they have a video element of it. I think they do. I think they have visuals too. But they're doing it all in these big-ass theaters. And element of it. I think they do. I think they have like visuals too.

But they're doing it all in these big ass theaters. And people love it. And they come out to see it. So for someone who listens to like Radiolab every week and they get a chance to go and see it live, it's like, wow, I can't believe it's here. It's a part of my life. And this is the danger of the whole Twitter, Facebook stuff. People are desperate and excited to hear new ideas, thought-provoking people, even if you disagree, right?

Two of my favorite people, like, a lot of times if you hear them talk, even if you don't care what they're saying or disagree with them, the energy and it's like, this is fascinating, it's thought-provoking for me, it's just, nothing's better. I think there's something really cool about people coming out to see these really interesting discussions, too. Like, a debate with uh this lavage g check yeah thank you for saying his name yeah i think i pronounced it right maybe you better you than me um about marxism yeah and it's sold out yeah of course and then they had pay-per-view people were buying it

watching it this was like the wwe of our time it's like how are these two people in a room together i want to see this and they actually wound up agreeing on quite a few things and just it was it's really an interesting discussion but it's also interesting that that that marxism is such a attractive subject that they're willing to host this giant event and pay to see people debate this topic. It's like this idea that you could fill up a whole arena for an intellectual discourse. Yeah. Or a theater. I mean, I don't know how big the place was. And then you could also sell pay-per-view tickets for it.

Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Who the hell is going to pay to hear that? That's school. Get out of here with that shit. It's not. I wish school was like that. like that i wish right there's no better way to get kids to hate learning than school every kid is so excited about the world you know go on us to go to the museum not every kid a lot read books then you go to school and that all goes away and you're a factory worker so this anything that reinvigorate your show does this too reinvigorates your love

of learning and how much there's so much interesting crazy shit out there I who doesn't love that and that's the other thing

so much creative the jocks back in the day didn't have that space and now thanks to you and people like you it's like you know what

I don't like reading books reading's not for me I could sit here and listen for three hours and I'm gonna be a smarter person than I was three hours ago and learn stuff

who doesn't love history? Yeah. Even if you're the biggest meathead, it's like the shit's interesting or like these crazy animals, the biggest meathead will be like, Oh shit, that's cool. Do you hear about this?

You know, the giraffe weevil, which has a hinge in its neck, but only the males. And it's from Madagascar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a real thing. It is a real thing. And I was going to say this, like it's fuel for your curiosity yeah and for your creativity it's gonna give you ideas it's gonna like there's so much fuel for creativity right now like more so than any other time there's so much information and interesting shit you could learn and do it easily like you could just find a pot like i need to learn about economics and just find an economics podcast and start playing it.

And if the person's good, you know, if they're interesting to talk to and they can do it in a fun way. Like, you ever listen to Peter Schiff? I do. He's a funny guy. Yeah. He knows his shit. Like, I've had him on a few times. And the way he describes things, it's like he's entertaining as well as factual, as well as just a compelling, charismatic person while he's

talking about these things, he's getting fired up. And you're like, oh, okay, so that's how it works. It's so much better than absorbing it in a dry, stale manner. And then you go from that, like, oh, he mentioned this thing. Let me learn about this. Oh, there's a YouTube video about this. And you go down this rabbit hole, and it's just like hours of entertainment, and you can have better conversations with other people. Hey, I learned about this, this, there's a YouTube video about this. And you go down this rabbit hole and it's just like hours of entertainment and you can have better conversations with other people.

Hey, I learned about this, this and that. Yeah. I feel so far behind kids these days. Like when I meet an 18-year-old today, they're like a 30-year-old when I was a kid. In what way? They're smarter. They have more info. Yeah.

They have more data. They know what's horseshit and what's not. When we were in our 20s, we didn't know what the fuck was real and what was fake. There was no YouTube. Right. There was no YouTube. Right. There was no Google. There was books. And you didn't read them.

Oh, I read them. Yeah, you might have. I read a lot of them, Joe. Yeah, I'm older than you. Yeah. You had books. I'm older than books. We didn't read to find out whether or not something's true.

Right. Like we do today. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like when I was in my 20s like i wasn't like researching subjects i've read a few books here and there but i wasn't researching things on every single aspect of the world the way the the access to this information just so radically different that you just have a thing in your pocket that answers your questions what else is fascinating

is google and other organizations have digitized entire libraries. So many of these books that are old are public domain and for free, you can read this book from 1910 where these ideas got started. And instead of hearing someone's interpretation of it now, you can see where this idea developed in how they looked at the world back then. Now, here's the real question. Is that absolutely absolutely we both agree incredibly valuable resource is that worth giving up the data like maybe we should just accept the fact that they gave us something that changed the world so of course they got super rich hey mark zuckerberg i know what you did it's okay it's okay you take that data you take it take it bitch yeah you like that shit yeah the richest person well Well, you deserve it.

You shouldn't just give it away for free. Well, I... Change the world in a better way. No, no, no. You should take advantage of the fact that you changed the world in a better way to profit in some insane, spectacular way where you generate billions and billions of dollars.

The thing we don't know is how they are generating that profit. That's the issue. Yeah. So if they're doing it in a certain way that we know about, all right. If they don't, this is where it gets tricky because there's an element of fraud in it. Well, I think they must be terrified, both Twitter and Facebook. They must be terrified of their influence of culture. Oh, yeah, of course.

There's no way they can't. The responsibility must be insane. Do you know how you know this? How? Because a lot of people who were Republicans during the Gulf, the Iraq war, and now look back on it, who are beating the drumbeats, and I'm not going to name names, you watch interviews and they're like, that shit was fucked up. And when you look back and you realize you had a part to play in this unnecessary war,

and if you're someone who cares about human beings as a Christian or whatever, that will fuck you up for life because it's like i had a little part in this like when i do my work with north korea right if i help 10 people that's a huge fucking deal and i don't take that shit lightly i've had and here's the power of social media i've had people three or four tell me i'm going through chemo I read your Twitter, and it makes me laugh throughout the day. That's fucking huge. Conversely, if you're on the side of Hillary Clinton, and you realize that your website might be contributing to her demise. Oh, yeah. And then you realize that other countries might be posting fake accounts that are, you know, they have these groups,

these discussion groups, and they're based in Russia, and they want to talk about Black Lives Matter. Or they want to talk about abortion, or they want to talk about Southern separatism, or all kinds of, you know, that IRA research group in Russia. And you find out this is all happening on your platform and that your platform is likely being used to manipulate how the world is run, how financial markets are run, international politics. And you just want to help college kids get laid. Yeah, right, right, right, right. You kind of jacked the idea, right?

What about the kids when they were torturing that retarded kid and it was at chicago and they were streaming it on facebook that's your site that's gotta fuck with your head it's gotta well there's been murders and the guy live streaming new zealand he was live streaming i mean there's many many cases of horrible things that have been put on there isis beheadings and you know i mean there's no way they can catch it all there's no way and when you talk to twitter or you talk to facebook or youtube and they'll tell you the just just i want everyone to just think about the idea that seven billion people yeah let's be real conservative potentially three billion sure just three billion just three billion people can all send something at once at the speed of like billions of bits of information headed towards youtube or twitter or facebook and they're trying to catch it

all some of its nazis and some of its frogs and alex jones bad his name and they just everything's flying in and out of my and then congress is like. Zuckerberg, do you know what you're doing? He's like, hold on, let me drink my water. Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mr. Senator, yes, we know what we're doing, I think. I think, Mr. Senator. No, there's nothing special about that.

As if that senator knows what he's doing also. He's not a monk. Right. He's not some scholar. He's not a genius. He's not enlightened. He's a guy. He's not a monk. Right. He's not some scholar. He's not a genius. He's not enlightened. He's a guy. He's not a stupid guy.

He's a smart guy. But he's just a person. Right. He's just a human and has an insane connection. An insane. He's the CEO of one of the biggest groups on the planet where people exchange conversation. Which still hasn't verified me on Instagram, by the way. Why not?

Because they're Nazis. How many followers you got? Only 7,000. That's all you got? That's my weakest one. Bro, catch the fuck up. But it's also like Lucy, Lucille Ball, when she's working at Choco Factory, right?

The chocolates are coming out and then they go faster and faster. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a certain point where you're not going to be able to process this much information and scan it. It's impossible. And any filter by its nature, any coder will tell you, is going to be imperfect, and it's going to weed out people it doesn't want to weed out, and leave people in that you don't want to leave in. Like any filter is only as good as its creator.

That's what I wanted people to kind of understand from Jack. And he did a pretty good job of explaining that and then saying that it just shows you the problems with trying to monitor these things at scale. But the thing I would say to Jack is one workaround. If someone is a high enough platform where they're contributing like the the laws against obscenity the ruling was if there's some cultural benefit here it's not regardless of scene right that's a loophole if someone is

big enough in terms of their part of the public conversation you should have a manual person double check or triple check before they're blocked you could give them a warning explain why because it's important okay but here's the question block for what if there's got to be rules where you are getting blocked if you're threatening violence against someone like you we could if you're sending like dick pics to a reporter you should be blocked i mean and if you're if you have uh you're putting up people's information right doxing putting people's address out right you go to your home right telling people you want to pay someone a hundred dollars take the photo that you you've got a photo and video

of someone who's not giving you permission you're uploading it and offering this is what that guy did yes and he's still verified that's crazy so with someone how does that work you ask him i'm not jack how could that work i don't know jack get it um but he very easily, people like that, you should tell them. That way you'd be banning if you're doxing people. Yes. But someone is doing a parody, you could be like, take this down for X, Y, and Z reasons. The thing is, I think they tried to make a differentiation between doxing someone and threatening to dox someone. This is how they kept Kathy Griffin on.

Right. Remember when she was saying, I want names of these kids. Yeah. Who are these kids? You know, imagine if they did, and the kids eventually,

all their information did get, wind up getting online. But when you watch the full video and you saw what actually happened, you're like, God damn, like you people have really shifted the narrative here. Do you think if I posted a picture of myself holding up a bloody Hillary Clinton head that I wouldn't be banned?

I'm not going to find out, but that's a big deal. And I don't even – she was obviously doing it as a joke. I didn't find it offensive. I think it would be funny if she was wearing a hijab while she did the photo. But the point is she had no consequences on Twitter. None. Yeah, I think you would be banned. Yeah. Yeah, I think you would be banned. Yeah.

I'm almost positive you'd be banned. For whatever reason, it's more disturbing to see a guy hold a woman's head. Sure, that's true. But even if it was Obama. The idea is that Kathy Griffin probably wouldn't be able to cut Trump's head off. He'd kick her ass. He's a big dude. If she came at him with a knife i mean

she'd have to shoot him and then cut his head off which i guess she could do it's not as likely no she's got to use the palms oh the palm to the nose palm to the nose nose bone in the brain how would you do that i'm just trying to like run the numbers in my head there's 126 million daily users on twitter how many people should they hire remember when we were asking i know that's like i'm just remember i'm like that's going back over my head like how that queue if someone could get through a hundred a day if they could get through a hundred a day that's spending five minutes on each of them that's 500 minutes that's more than they're that's it's like it's manually there's no way you're gonna do it and i think it's smart to use the reporting system is smart yes like some you're relying on

the users to report things that are an issue. Right. That's smart. But it falls victim to trolling because then someone can just decide to attack Jamie Vernon. Don't do it. God, trolls are the worst. Yeah, those fuck. Oh, that's you.

Oh. Oh, my goodness. That's the bad kind of trolling. That's just being an asshole. Dude, we already did three hours. Oh. How is that possible? I'm just adorable and charming.

I guess that something happened. I'll go with that. As good an answer as any. Your book is called The New Right. We barely talked about it. More stuff for people to read. Yeah. A journey to the – how's the first 12 pages?

Inside joke. A journey to the fringe of American politics, Michael Malice. Thank you, brother. I appreciate it, man. Always Thank you, brother. Thank you. Always a pleasure, Joe. Thank you. Bye, everybody. That was a lot of fun.