The Joe Rogan Experience - #1318 - Hotep Jesus

Episode Date: June 26, 2019

Hotep Jesus is a tech investor, marketer and author. His book "Dominate Twitter" is available on http://bryansharpe.co

two one boom hotep jesus how are you sir i always wanted to say that i wanted to call somebody that i need that drop how the fuck do you get a name like hotep jesus how'd that come about it wasn't my idea you know i was uh i had just went through my uh spiritual awakening i just left the hip hop industry and i went through like that mace thing you know you go to what are you doing with the headgear we got a lot going on up there. I had to tie my hair down. It's a black thing, man. I got to screw you. So you had a spiritual awakening.

Yeah, I had this spiritual awakening. And I'm, you know, tweeting on Twitter like I do. Right. And somebody said, what do you think you are? Some kind of Hotep Jesus? Ooh, that's good. And I was just like, ooh, that's sexy. Yes, I do think I'm Hotep jesus that's perfect and now

you own it that person is probably like fuck god damn it that was a great name i gave that dude yeah i don't know who that person is or was or where they are now shout out to whoever you are exactly and vibe high your twitter why didn't you switch it to hotep jesus can you switch it ah does anybody own hotep jesus i do you so it to Hotep Jesus? Can you switch it? Does anybody own Hotep Jesus? I do. So you have Hotep Jesus on Twitter, too? Yeah, I reserved it. Oh, dude, I think they could probably swap.

Do you have one of them cute little blue check marks yet? No. What the fuck is that? How do you get one of those? I don't know. There's some people that have those that have like a thousand followers. Yeah. How are you getting it?

Like if you work for the New York Times or some shit? I thought you had those up. Nah, I don't. I was like, I'll do Joe and thene and then i get verified i don't know how twitter feels about me i mean i think jack likes me he's been in a couple of times but i think the whole they're they're weird man they want i mean i think all social media all tech companies want you to toe a line right now and if you're not towing that line and you're bringing on forbidden guests and you have people that have controversial ideas, you know, they have that finger on the button of getting rid of you. They don't know what to do.

It's just like radio, you know, like radio. A lot of people don't know, but radio has to play happy songs because happy people buy things. Really? Yeah. Well, that's what the studies say, allegedly. The marketing studies and advertising studies say people who are in a good mood tend to buy things, right? So the radio is supposed to play happy songs all day long.

And the radio works for the advertisers, kind of like media and so on and so forth. So social media is no different. They have advertisers. So if there's people on the platform who are creating disgruntled crowds, it could be hurting the bottom line. Yeah, but Facebook's algorithm actually favors that. The way Facebook has it set up, like say if you get into debates with people on abortion or something like very controversial, they will start sending that shit to your feed that will they will prop it will it will they'll sort of steer it in your direction because the more you engage the more clicks they get the more money they get the more advertising dollars they get absolutely absolutely uh the facebook algorithm is quite unique and uh the way that things can go viral there um twitter i feel like uh the the twitter safety and council

board yeah what do they call it trust and safety yeah is that what it's called something like that yeah so when i go and look at the entities that contribute to that board i kind of start saying oh okay i see why certain topics are taboo you know um there's and when you when there's a board those people on the board are the voice they're the ones that have the opinion you know so if your group isn't represented maybe you need to figure out how to get on that board you know what i mean right i don't know anybody's getting on that board no it's not gonna happen and you better be left wing if you're gonna get on that board yeah i don't think there's any right but

do you think like is i think jack's more like in the middle yes i think he's closer to the middle i don't think it's jack i think it's you know jack's working on a bunch of different projects um but i think it's probably you know whoever else is in the office making the day-to-day decisions yeah i like jack a lot but i think jack is in the middle of a gigantic corporation and there's so many people with so many ideas essentially the founding fathers of our country had a great idea when it comes to freedom of expression they felt like it was very important that you have free speech and you know you can't be silenced you can't be you can't be undermined by people who disagree with you because it's dangerous it's dangerous when someone can

just decide that you can't have a voice anymore and only their voice can be heard and we're kind of seeing that with twitter and we're kind of seeing that with facebook and with google and they're deciding what could be heard and what not can be heard they think they're doing it for good reasons they think they're doing it to preserve our culture and our civilization and they want to protect people from the election do you know reddit shut down the donald the uh the the donald trump support uh reddit page yeah that's not a good idea right right before the dem yeah them to be right before the democratic debate and you know that was like where all the funny memes come from and look man this you you can't do that i mean just because if you have some people that are saying some shit that's bad on there, get rid of those people.

Get rid of that. But you can't just shut down a whole forum. Like, that seems insane. Is there a reason for it? It's not shut down. It says it's quarantined. What the fuck does that mean? Does it have a disease?

It's sort of like a temporary suspension. It's got Ebola? It happens to people. They got to do something. It says there's violent threats. I'm looking to like temporary suspension. It's got Ebola? It happens to people. They gotta do something. It says there's violent threats. I'm looking to see what happened. Repeated misbehavior. Violent threats. Skeptical? Very.

Seems weird, right? I feel like all this stuff is like, we're seeing what the First Amendment is really all about, why it exists exists we're seeing it play out yeah with all these social media sites i really think that you know my thing is with like the reddit thing right it's very easy to create an actor right the left can create a right-wing actor online to pretend like it's something you know sure it's something else they can go into reddit

do something malicious to get the whole Reddit banned. Right. Like an agent provocateur. Yeah, exactly. And I never leave that off the table when I look at instances like this. When you say, oh, somebody was, it's the internet. Everybody's anonymous. Right. You're tracking this back to who it is.

You know what I mean? Do you know it's conservative? Do you know it's Republican? Are you sure? So, you know, I take these things, these pieces of information with a grain of salt. Yeah, you should. But is this election meddling? It kind of is, right?

It's what it feels like. If you're killing a whole sub, well, it depends. I mean, so if they're really, that would be really interesting if it turns out that it was someone from the left that was posing as someone from the right in order to shut down a forum and pretend there's death threats. I mean, you look at YouTube, right? And what's been happening with YouTube, even just the algorithm, you know, I'm pretty good with keywords. I do SEO and marketing. So when I type in certain keywords or find certain things, I know what's going to come up or what type of content comes up. Now, when I type in those keywords it's like abc nbc abc cnn and i'm like that's not what i wanted they don't even talk about these keywords what are you talking about yeah so when you start seeing that you start thinking about angsoc and orwell in 1984 and socialism and communism and fascism and uh the degradation of society and um a lot of control coming down um you know people you know in some ways it's like was the internet created for freedom or was it

created for control right so there's two different pathways you could probably look at that but it seems like in many ways they set us up to be controlled. And they're doing it through monopolies. Google controls search through YouTube and Google. And by what you search, you can think it's a truth. But what did Kanye say? Kanye said Google lied to you. You know, so.

Kanye says a lot of crazy shit, though. You got to really think about that. He does. And I like crazy. I do, too. I'm a big fan of crazy shit though you gotta really think about that he does and i like crazy i do too i'm a big fan of crazy i'm a little crazy a lot of crazy sometimes so i appreciate his crazy side more than his calm side well great things come from wild thoughts right exactly i think the internet was initially created to exchange information, and then when it got loose to the general public, they realized what a crazy idea that was. What I think we're seeing right now with the algorithms is that these corporations are influencing these companies to say, hey, when someone's looking for these things, how about you send them over to ABC? How about you send them over to NBC? How about you – like we want to be able to get the first views on these things.

So if someone's searching for that, I don't know how they do it. I don't know what they, whether they have agreements with them. I mean, there's also a lot of copywritten shit that's on there that could get YouTube in some significant trouble if they ever really decided to pursue it. And how many videos are on YouTube that people have on their channel that are just straight off of Fox News or NBC News? that people have on their channel that are just straight off of Fox News or NBC News. There's a lot of copyright-protected content that YouTube is essentially profiting off of. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they make a ton of money off of that stuff.

Yeah. So they might have deals where they say, look, we'll send these people to this first. Yeah, and that's why I say that's where the control comes in, the advertisers. The advertisers are the ones paying for the platform to be a thing it's not us the users that are paying for youtube's free so who's paying right yeah they're they're monetizing us they're monetizing us the users and the viewers yeah that's where it gets tricky right because as soon as the advertisers get on board they say look we uh you know want to give you money, but this content is not advertiser friendly. Right. And then they start moving stuff around and demonetizing things.

And with demonetization, the real thing that they're doing in a lot of ways, whether it's intentional or not, is you're influencing what people post. You're asking them to self-censor. you're kind of you're asking them to self-censor because you say hey you guys want to discuss abortion rights or you know like there's there's some things that you start discussing them and they will automatically don't demonetize you yeah well who is the girl that put out the uh abortion documentary right and they which girl's snatched that down i forget what it's called um i'm bad at memorizing these things but there there was basically an anti-abortion thing that exposed some things about abortion. There's a documentary. And I believe the day it went up, it got shut down.

She had to re-upload it. Was it Lauren Southern? Might have been Lauren Southern. Yeah, there's those two cute white chicks that everybody thinks are super racist. Lauren Southern and Tammy. What's the other one? Tammy Lauren. Tommy Lauren.

Tommy Lauren. So she did a documentary but then you have like uh the james o'keefe thing where you know he put up the exposing uh youtube and then that got you know obviously they're gonna take it down the most recent one that exposed google right right yeah i've been asking people about that i'm like okay break this down for me is there any way that this could have been deceptively advertised or deceptively edited like it seems to me like they're saying that they're going to manipulate search results and they're going to manipulate the way people see things because of the 2016 election they don't want that happening again in 2020 that's what it seems what i'm looking at absolutely that's exactly what it looks like could it be doctored of course good you know that's that's yeah that's always possible but um

when you go and experience it for yourself like what i was talking about with you know doing a keyword search you start yeah seeing the parallels um and then you know uncle hotep you know his his channel was you know doing great and then the algorithm flipped and next thing you know like he wasn't making the same money anymore so it's like i don't have to go to some doctor video or whatever video to understand this problem the people around me are being affected by it you know this is a primary source i don't have to look at somebody on the internet um but i don't know it's it's internet um but i don't know it's it's in a way i don't like playing victim with the topic right stay a platform do what you want with it we choose to be there we don't have to be there

there's not another game in town though it's not it's weird right when you think about how big the internet is and there's only one youtube right i mean vimeo and all those other ones they're great but well you know i always relate it to the black community you know the black community always say oh you know white people this white people that white people this white people that they're not giving us opportunity and it's always like well is that the only opportunity can you not create your own opportunity you know what i mean so i never want to take a victim mentality and say oh you know let's take google to court you know all this stuff it's like if you want to do that that's fine that's not how i'm looking at this i'm looking at it long term like hooking up with

andrew torbo over a gap you know what i mean and building tools so you know we do uh the coin bits app.com and uh creators can actually um it's it's based upon approval right now, but creators can go on there and receive Bitcoin as a donation. So we're circumventing the things that happen like with the deep platforming at Patreon, right? And the other payment platforms for creators. So we're creating tools to circumvent these things. So that's how I look at it. I'm like, oh, Google's doing this? Great. This is a great opportunity here. Let me seize it and let me build it and be, you know, the alternative. You know, I love to see that. Is the alternative going to be YouTube and as popular?

Of course not. It's just not. But it's still a viable option. You can still communicate with your people. the number one communication tool for an influencer with it with their uh community is email build your email list right people still subscribe to your email list right that's not youtube that's not google that's your email list that's your contact list so it's like you can complain about youtube or google but you can build your audience almost anywhere it depends on how powerful you are are you powerful enough to convince people to come to this other platform or to wherever you are a lot of people are powerful enough to pack a room at two thousand dollars a ticket you tell me you can't get

somebody to go to another platform for free who charges two thousand dollars a ticket uh i mean a lot of these speakers you know like the tony robbins type cats he's really he charges two thousand bucks i think he charged like $10,000. I think some of his stuff is like $10,000. But he's doing these week-long events where everybody gets together. I'm going to change your life. Doing karate kicks and shit. Right?

Well, that's how you get the bigger check. You've got to create a bigger experience. So it's like, all right, so we'll do a one-day 2K, right? It's 2k right it's like well how do i get 10k it's like well let's just extend it for the week and you know add like you know the kickboxing class and you know we'll chat in the sauna you just you know create that's part of marketing you know yeah um but yeah i'm not complaining about these tech company these tech companies man i'm not scared of these dudes man these the content is us the content is certainly us and like i get what i got from talking to jack and vidya was it's almost impossible to manage a site

like that the just the influx of like i used to have a message board on my website one of the things that i noticed before we shut it down was i was getting thousands and thousands of Russian emails that were signing up for my website. You remember that, Jamie? This is years ago. This is like three years ago. I mean, fucking tens of thousands of Russian email addresses were signing up, like similar addresses.

It was something like the IRA, something like the Internet Research Agency, which does that, which is responsible for all those fake pages on Facebook and Google and Instagram and all that shit. And they were signing up for websites that had message boards, and then they would jump on and pretend that they were whatever the fuck they were.

Pretend that they were a social justice warrior. Pretend that they were with Black Lives Matter. And they'd just start fights, start arguments. And I was like, wow, this fascinating and then when it when it also happened and then it happened with facebook and it became a big part of the election you realize like this is like concerted effort to use these platforms oh yeah to wiggle so when you're jack or you're whoever runs good you have to look at that and go okay how the fuck do we manage that i mean if we're into free speech we should just let these people manipulate everybody right yeah let it be wild wild west how can i mean it's when you have

these people that are working for the russians or even people that are working on the left that are trying i mean if there really really is someone that's doing that to the donald uh subreddit on on reddit what do you if you're into free speech you're supposed to allow that right you could just create a metric you know or or some sort of mechanism that red flags an account publicly right but i think this is where it gets slippery right because then you're talking about an algorithm you're talking about manipulating search results you're talking no not that route what i'm saying is not that route but this is where it goes right if you just keep managing the content instead of like someone like like gab right where they just let the content flow free yeah but obviously you go there there's a lot of dumpster

fires man it's like a fucking chaos oh yeah oh yeah absolutely nothing's gonna be perfect right you know um i think whenever you see uh bad that's good. Right. Oh, yeah. Bad is a a portal to good. It is an opportunity to fix something. Because at some point that problem was going to emerge. Right. It just emerged now. So it's like, oh, wow. OK, here's this problem. The solution to every problem lies within a problem. So technically there is no problem. So let's just go ahead and solve this problem and move on to the next one. You know, but I love problems. I love solving problems. I think it's really fun.

So when I see a problem, I go, OK, let's let's think about this. And sometimes it's not a one person job. You know, it's a whole committee and a whole bunch of minds have to get together. So when I look at the conservative community, I think about like, you know, you have all these minds, but are your minds working to complain or your minds working to solve the problem? And it seems like the minds aren't working to solve the problem. They're working to complain. Right. So, for example, during the early 20th century, early 1900s is due with this newspaper super popular in new york and uh he put some uh inflammatory things about a certain family in new york city and uh all the department stores boycott the newspaper so he has no advertisers so they did that to put him out of

business and this gentleman takes the space and gives it to the proletariat or the, you know, small business guys in the area. And he gives them full front page ads, right? Stuff that the department stores couldn't buy. And then what happened was after the newspaper got a circulating like that, the department stores came back and they said, yo, all right, all right, fine, fine. We'll pay, we'll come back. And he said he said no i don't need you anymore you know i have people that can do this i can do this with the people and his newspaper was successful until the day he died so when i look at that example that was able to thrive in 19 uh you know 20 or something or 1910 or whatever it was i look at it and i'm like if this guy just

stood on his laurels and didn't bow you know then why can't we do it as a nation or as a team? You know, I think it's very possible to. So, for example, like when we look at Gap, right, there's a new competitor. I'm not going to mention a name, but it's like they whoever was the establishment created this alternative platform to compete with Gap. There's another purpose. Yeah. You don't want to mention the name no screw them really yeah fuck them um why what's bad about them their

establishment right oh so so when i look at so establishment has created another free speech platform allegedly allegedly they're just going to collect the data on these people and then you know sell it off what makes you think that intuition you know hotep's been told you you know you should make a shirt that should be a shirt oh we got a shirt hotep's been told you that's our show oh yeah yeah me and uncle hotel is our show every thursday 8 p.m eastern time um so yeah um you know uh i can i can kind of i've been calling a lot of these shots and a lot of these things and you know it's just certain things that, you know,

I'm a tech startup founder, right? So it's certain things I can see within a business that the average person can't see. And I'm like, ah, that doesn't make sense. That doesn't look right.

And then when you see, uh, you know, as a tech startup, it's really hard to get going. Right. At first. But when you see like MSNBC,

and it's just like, how'd you get all this coverage that fast who do you know you know what i mean and then you start seeing the influencers that are going over there pushing them like oh these are all the establishment i see what's going on what you didn't want you didn't want an alternative platform that you didn't control okay so they're creating an alternative platform that they can control. That they can control. Air quotes alternative. Correct.

Yeah. Well, I think the writing is on the wall, right? If you look at the, there's only one Twitter. There's only one Instagram. There's only one YouTube. And those are giant. And Facebook is basically the only thing like that, right? I mean, there's really no competitor to Facebook in that space.

I mean, there's four of them. They're all trash. Let's be honest. Oh, my goodness. It's all trash. Hotep is going off. Facebook trash. I've been saying that for like the past decade.

Facebook's trash. I stopped using Facebook a decade ago, right? If I used it, it was just like forced. I use it as a publishing outlet. When I put tour dates or something like that, I put it on Facebook. I don't engage. Right. Exactly. right if i used it it was just like forced you know i use it as a publishing outlet i when i put tour dates or something like that i put it on facebook i don't engage right exactly so you know i can i can respect that i don't use instagram i left it months ago when farrakhan got kicked off the platform a bunch of conservatives got kicked off the platform i'm like i don't need

this shit neither so i left and also keep your account just in case yeah absolutely yeah it's bookmarked i'm you know i got an automated bot I'm going to set up and all that stuff. Yeah. So, you know, F these platforms. We don't need them. They're not that great. If you look at the story on Instagram, Instagram was a lucky project. It was serendipitous. Right. Basically, what happened was some kids built a project. It was called Instagram. They were working on a whole bunch of other things. Some popular kids started using a platform. It blew up and then they passed it on to Facebook from the very inception. I said this is a very trash product product. It's just horrible, horribly curated. Right. It's so horribly curated that Facebook can't even monetize the platform properly. Right. But that whole nother story but the platform itself and its functionality is stupid it's just popular well you know what's weird is like replying to people and reading replies like in the comments like you can't even keep up with anything no and you can't get all your notifications the notifications aren't

curated properly it's just it's like as if they don't care right they don't care right is that they don't care or is it that it got so big so quick and it's stuck in this format you'd have to kind of reformat the way it's they don't care don't think so they don't care they don't care if you if you want to build a product for your user you can do that if you want to build a product for your user, you can do that. If you want to build a product for advertisers, you can do that. They built the product for advertisers and not for users. If they built it for users, you and I will be able to have a conversation on there. Well, isn't it originally, wasn't it Text America? Was that the same thing?

Was Text America the original one? That's the one where I have the picture of the prostitute in the bathroom. You mean like where you would text something to? You send a photo you send a photo and a text message and it would go off to an internet website it would be like on a site like imager or something not like a feed where people would follow you like that was it no there was a thing that you'd follow okay that's where that picture came from i know that but i didn't remember it being like a website or anything like that was back when there was no applications ma'am because i took that from a flip phone that's the big deal. That's the difference.

Yeah. It was on a phone or like a smartphone. Yeah, there was no smartphones back then. And then you would have to go to a website to see all your photos. So like you have a young Jamie Page on Text America and all the pictures that you had taken. The first photos on Instagram, a lot of people were, you'd be like, as a photographer, you'd be kind of like shit on if you weren't taking it with your iPhone only. Like when you were uploading DSLR photos, you'd be like, oh, you're fucking cheating. Look at you. Of course.

That kind of shit. Right, but now it filters. Like some of these girls, they look like cartoons. They don't even look like humans. You know, it comes down to is like, you know, what's your kahunas rank? So, you know, a lot of people told me. They was like, yo, you're missing out on a lot of money on Facebook. You're missing out on a lot of Instagram, money on Instagram on Facebook. You miss not a lot of Instagram money on Instagram.

My homies, a millionaire off of Instagram and Facebook advertising. And he told me, but I'm like, I'm not in this for money, bro. I got a message to get across and I can't get it across on these platforms. They suck. Right. But are you going to have the cojones to come and say, I'm choosing my laurels over, I'm choosing my morals over the money. Because there's a lot of people out here that are on the Facebook platform just for money. I spoke to a conservative influencer and brother basically said, I'm trying to feed my daughter. But the stuff he's putting out on Facebook, he doesn't believe in. So he's just doing it for profit. He's doing it for profit oh that that's

where it gets weird right because then people are not going to believe you once you say well i was doing that for money but now i'm telling you the truth but these i'm talking about this these are the people that everybody believes these are the ones that have captured a large audience i mean talking about you know type of money you can pull in on on facebook but you know he literally says you know i pull in on, on Facebook, but you know, he literally says, you know, I'll go on Twitter, I'll make one tweet and then they get like 2000 retweets. And then, you know, uh, you know, I, you know, his, his brain just blows up like that, but it's because he, he knows the buzzwords, right? He knows what to say to get the people going. I don't go that route. You know what I mean? If I don't

like Facebook, I'm not going to use it. If I i don't like facebook i'm not going to use if i don't like facebook i'm not going to use instagram you know i'm just gonna you know stick with what i like i like twitter and i told people in 2009 when i go to i'm twitter you know i deal in marketing so i always say focus on one channel when it comes to social media just one channel unless you have the staff to manage well twitter's how i found out about you and that's all i found out about your videos and i found out about you, and that's all. I found out about your videos, and I found out about you, and I watched your videos. And if that didn't exist, and the portal for the video, you're putting your videos on YouTube, right? Mm-hmm.

I mean, how else would someone get their message out? If you think that these platforms are all trash, if they didn't exist, I wouldn't find out about you. Twitter is great. Twitter's great. Remember, I've never mentioned Twitter. I think you said all of them are trash, all of them except for twitter twitter's my baby man i love twitter that's what do you like so much about twitter it's uh it's it's it's it's a perfect platform to crowdsource information number one right um like you said without twitter i wouldn't

be sitting here right now i could have never got to you on Facebook or Instagram. That would never happen. Maybe Instagram. Some of a friend. Most of it is like, hey, one of my friends says, check out this guy. This guy's cool. This guy's interesting. Maybe you should talk to this guy. OK, that's how it usually happens. And then I'll go to your page and I checked it out. And I saw a lot of interesting conversations you were having. Right. Saw some videos. Well, the thing is, instagram doesn't allow you to see in my heart they don't allow you to see in the soul twitter i can really connect with people how come you can't do that in instagram the algorithm man you know you oh you mean because

it hides stuff and stuff yeah but once you develop a good following it doesn't really matter people will go to your page but how will look for you but how often can you post on instagram how often can you post? On Instagram? How often can you post? Well you can't do it like Twitter Where you can just do it Every couple minutes You see what I'm saying?

So if I wanted to I could go from Deep To where my middle aged White women at Right In 15 minutes time Right

You know I can take you deep And then I can make you laugh Yeah You know what I mean? And I can share You know something else I can share my video and you can have photos on twitter just like you could have on instagram if you really wanted to i can go live and and and so twitter is great at how they curate um the live feature right it it lands at the top of your phone on mobile right it's

beautiful like like they like they get product you know i don't feel like instagram gets product um but twitter is is you know matter of fact this is a great time i brought you my book i thought that was mcdonald's or burger king what is he eating that garbage this is my book right here twitter marketing i brought that for you it retails on how to build a cult-like following yeah and that's basically all my secrets on how i got on the joe rogan experience i want i'm trying to remember who told me about you i want to give someone the credit i uh well you know they people said to me you know you should go on joe rogan so i retweeted it and then um it started this firestorm in your

mentions and then you followed me yeah and then I retweeted it again. I followed you because someone told me, though. Right. I'm trying to remember who the fuck it is. Oh, it was somebody you knew? Yeah, somebody I knew. Oh, okay. I think it was like a serendipitous thing.

I don't even know if they had seen you post that you're trying to get on the podcast. Oh. I think someone had just contacted me and said, hey, check out this guy's shit. Oh, wow. I watched some of the YouTube conversations. It just looked like you were having a good time, but were talking about serious shit yeah yeah it's it's you know so um i got kids so um when i when i teach my kids it's always through edutainment you know if i can't make my kids laugh while i'm doing my lecture every day when they come home from school

or i try to do every day there's a lecture waiting for them i'm going to talk about something real in life how many kids you have three my daughter's 16 and my boys are uh 10 i have twin boys uh dallas phoenix and sydney um they're all named after cities um so every day they come home i have a lecture waiting for them but when i prepare my lectures for them i always figure out how am i gonna make them laugh because my son dallas he's uh very linear in thinking i could lecture and he'll sit there and listen to every single word the other two are like me they'll just like zone out so your twins not are they identical twins fraternal fraternal yeah so his brother and his sister just like me will all tune out and go into la la land and start it's gotta be weird when you have two kids that were born at the exact same time they're twins but yet they're totally different yeah and they look

different that's so weird one's brown skin one's light skin whoa both come out of the box at the same time too yeah you know it's a crazy dynamic the genetics are nuts man yeah their personalities are very different that is one of the things that trips me out the most about having kids is how how does they are their own little person out of the fucking box yeah like you influence them a little you teach them you can give them morals and ethics and you can set a good example but boy they come with their own unique set of ingredients yeah they do yeah they do and uh you know i don't i don't try to change that all i try to do is push them in that direction like whichever way you're going i'm just going to try and assist that you know i don't try to change that. All I try to do is push them in that direction. Whichever way you're going, I'm just going to try and assist that.

I don't try to bring you back this way. So my son Dallas, he likes to draw. I'm like, all right, well, here's some YouTube videos, tutorials. Do it every day. My son Phoenix is like, I want to have my own comic book. I'm like, well, start writing it. He starts writing his comic book. And then he comes and he asks me questions and I help him.

We share in a Google Doc and we just do the damn thing. You know what I mean? That's cool. Yeah. They're little startups. So you kind of just got to feed them. That's a good way of looking at it. Yeah.

You just got to water them, man, and just let them grow. I think sometimes we try to prune them too much. Well, you definitely see that a lot with people that are too they're just way too heavy handed with their kids and the kids just always resisting oh yeah they're just constantly get the fuck away from me man that shit's unnecessary it's unnecessary it's unproductive and you're going to develop a rift between you and your kids yeah so so this story i always tell is um you know when you black and you go in the supermarket you get that talk like better not go in here you better not touch that don't ask for nothing right so um you know that's

how i grew up a lot of us grew up so when i go into the supermarket or i went to the supermarket this one time and my son is uh phoenix my twin he's running around in the supermarket and you know i don't i try not to yell at my kids and all that stuff right so i just tap his brother and sister on the show and i said look at him at him, look at him, look at him. And they look, and then we just start laughing at him. So he turns around and goes, like, why are y'all laughing at me? So then I start imitating him, like, doing all that type stuff. And so I put the mirror in front of him.

I call it the mirror. And when he does that, never again. It's not a problem again. I didn't have to yell at him. I didn't have to hit him. I didn't have to cuss him out. I didn't have to threaten him. That's great.

It's just basic psychology. Yeah, that's one of the hardest things for people to do, to see how other people see them. When someone sees you with humor and you look like a fool, they're like, oh, shit, that's me? Damn. That is me. Yeah, exactly. So you just got to put your mirror up. But Twitter, I handle everything.

I figure you can't change culture through lecture. You change culture through entertainment. What do you think about all this talk? Elizabeth Warren's talked about it and some other candidates have talked about it. Some other politicians have talked about breaking up these big companies, breaking up Facebook. It's too big. Break up Google. Break up Twitter.

What do you think about that? Well, I think we have to study what happened to Standard Oil. What happened to Standard Oil. What happened to Standard Oil? Standard Oil, they broke it up, and it became Exxon, Chevron, Texaco, I think BP. Don't quote me on that one. But does anybody have brand loyalty to gas? Is anybody like, dude, I'm a Chevron man?

They create those cards, right? Oh, loyalty cards oh okay yeah yeah that's how they create a loyalty program here it is the evolution of standard oil jamie pulled it up on the screen yeah there you go wow so standard oil was too big yeah like fuck this place right we have to move it around a little bit 1911 standard oil of kentucky 1911 they did this right so so if you look at it it's broken up in i think it says 34 right 34 companies right so you see stardom on the left right and then as you go what do you see you see a consolidation don't you you see these merges yeah so when you break up a monopoly you're not really breaking up a monopoly what you're doing is you're creating a divide and conquer dynamic so So it's like, OK, I'll let my brother control this one. My sister control that one. My cousin controls. And you actually corner the market. So breaking a monopoly isn't exactly a good thing in that case. Yeah. In that case. And I think we'll see the same thing with Google. If we break up Google, what you're going to do is just have little subsidiaries or little satellite

things that will just control a certain segment under a different name, which will make it harder to track back to its source. So when I say break up Monopoly, I think that the establishment's like, yeah, come on, break me up, baby. Do you think so?

I don't think they want to lose any control. I certainly don't think Facebook does They're trying to get rid of Zuckerberg forever Right? Aren't they trying to get rid of him? That's what they claim Get that robot out of here Look at the way he drinks water

Right, he does look like a robot When he drank water in front of Congress But isn't that socialism? That's socialism When the government comes in and tells you what But isn't that socialism? That's socialism. When the government comes in and tells you what you can do with your corporation, that's socialism. So what I feel is like the powers that be are pushing socialism are like we can use this as an excuse to infiltrate corporations and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and start controlling this Internet space. So the Internet space is now communist. and start controlling this internet space.

So the internet space is now communist. I'm of the opinion, though, that if we believe in freedom of speech and you create something that's so big that it's essentially a town square, which is what I think these platforms are, if you ban people, especially if you ban people for shit like learn to code, like things that don't make any sense. There's people that are getting banned for some pretty ridiculous ideas. Yeah. That as soon as you start doing something like that, you are going against the fundamental ideas this country has found.

Absolutely. Freedom of speech. I think it's incredibly important that if you have someone saying something that you think is wrong or is hurtful, there should be an avenue where people can examine that and talk about it and combat it with good speech yeah with speech that makes sense yeah well you know a couple years ago last year i forget no it's about a couple years ago um i was lambasted for uh defending white nationalists you know when they first got deplatformed some of them got deplatformed with just white nationalists period i'm like well if this is how these people feel, let's listen to them. Let's listen to their gripes. What are they mad about? Right. And then people like, oh, like the people that are fringe are the test for freedom of speech it's not the people in the middle it's the fringe groups on the outside if they don't have freedom of speech everybody in the middle screw so i stood up and i was like yo

let these dudes talk like stop doing that like like you know i don't care you know if they're racist or whatever people call me names but then now you see it coming down and we lost you know, I don't care, you know, if they're racist or whatever. People call me names. But then now you see it coming down. And we lost, you know, Louis Farrakhan. He got deplatformed. He lost his verification, you know. And it's like, you know, he's like a hotel. Was there anything specifically that he said that allowed him to do that? Did they just make a sweeping?

Because they got rid of Milo. They got rid of Gavin McGinnis. They got rid of a bunch of people that were on Instagram and Facebook that they hadn't deplatformed. But it didn't seem like there was anything that happened that caused them to do that it seemed like they just made some sort of a decision yeah that i think was probably based on preparing for the 2020 elections absolutely so so what i think what happened was uh the uh the banning of lewis farrakhan it's just a theory but they were like, all right, if we ban these conservatives,

the conservative crowd is going to just go apeshit, right? But if we throw them Louis Farrakhan, it'll kind of settle things down a little bit because it'll look like we're fair. I think you're exactly right. Yeah. So I'm like,

so that's what they did. They're like, oh, let's throw them in there and smooth things over. That's exactly what I thought when I saw it. Yeah? Yeah. I was like, this seems weird. Yeah. Yeah. It's like they did. They're like, ah, let's throw them in there and have them smooth things over. That's exactly what I thought when I saw it. Yeah? Yeah. I was like, this seems weird.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like they have to justify it. Like, no, we got rid of him too. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a strange time because even though there is Gab and there's Mines and there's a couple other startups that are trying to make their way and the Jordan Peterson one. There's nothing that really stands out. And once a giant group of people starts using something, unless it's like, what's hilarious is when one of them vanished, like MySpace. How fucking badly did they manage MySpace?

Oh, man. Because MySpace had it all. Yeah. They had everybody. Yeah, and it died. And then it just fucking died. And it's still around but now it's like some fringe music publishing platform it's very weird you know it still exists but

what twitter is right now and what facebook is right now and what instagram is right now it seems like there's no real competitors specifically youtube there's no real competitors because because when you know I don't want to you know dogpile on you know minds or gab or anything but the problem is when you build a social network and this is why I will not build a social network at least not into the next 10 years you have to understand that you can't build a social network that mimics another one that's the brain has to be different that's why snap is still here right snap is inside a certain demographic that's my daughter's you know generation right that's them right they're on snap so when you build these things

you really have to sit down and say like you know what's the what are we going to focus on like with minds right you post videos you post photos and then how do the photos appear right so when i look at minds minds is my instagram when you when you look at minds on mobile that the font's really small so it's like i can't read this so i'm just going to use this for photos when i put the photos it pops up right so it, is mine's going to go that route? Are they going to go the video route? Are they going to go the tweet route? You got to pick one and then grow from there. If you look at Twitter, Twitter didn't have all these features in the beginning. You just had tweet. That's it. There was no threats. There's none of that. no threads you know there's none of that yeah so you have to start at your core but when you the other problem they do is they try to build these social networks um completely robust right

with all the bells and whistles of the giants nah bro you gotta start small and slim and then let your audience tell you what the next feature is so what would you if you were going to start one up what would it be or do you not want to give out that information no it's not i don't want to give it out information i think information should be free but you know i i hate i hate the idea that people want to create social networks i'm like they exist let's use the ones that exist and let's just figure out how to make them better right but when you do that then those have so much power because they can dictate who's on and who's not on. Right. So what you do is when you have something like a Twitter, you use your Twitter to congregate your minds.

Right. But then your bills of the world, your Andrew Torbers of the world have to listen to the community and and then curate their product around what the community needs right andrew torber figured out what the dissenter when he found out oh the internet is blocking comments so he created you know you can comment on anywhere on the internet and then google chrome smashed it right i said get that out of here yeah why did they do that what was the justification for getting rid of that? They want to censor. They want to censor information.

Is that what they want to do? Or they want to keep a competitor from using their platform and profiting off of it? That's how I looked at it. I looked at it from a marketing or a business perspective. No, I didn't worry about his name. Because it could be. But if it becomes huge, I mean, anything can become huge if it's useful. Yeah.

It seemed useful to me that they were going to be able to comment on anything. You'll have like a little link. And if you use Gab, you can comment on anything that comes up. Yeah. Yeah. You can look at it like that. I don't. I feel like, you know, their budgets are so huge.

You know, their cash reserves are so huge that they're not worried about competition at all. You know, what they're worried about is uh controlling thought and and that's their primary goal control thought right for the betterment of the ruling class and that's to me that's that's the end of it all of it all um but you uh these, you know, these, these people that create tech products, like when we create CoinBits app, or for example, my app Gifatize.

Gifatize, you can only do one thing on Gifatize. The only thing you can do is save a video or GIF from Twitter. I always call it GIF. Is it GIF? I think it's GIF. I think it's GIF. I've never, I don't think I ever hear anybody say it. GIF could Twitter. I always called it GIF. Is it GIF? I think it's GIF. I think it's GIF. I've never, I don't think I ever hear anybody say it.

GIF could be correct. Could be correct. Do you know what you call it, Jamie? I call it GIF. GIF. Okay. GIF, GIF. GIF is peanut butter.

GIF is peanut butter. But our app does one thing, right? And people love it. When I first came on as a co-founder, this app did more than that. And when it did more than that, it didn't do as well as it does now. What did it used to do? It had incentives to share the app. You could edit GIFs.

share the app you could edit gifs uh you could um put text on them um crop them all types of like it had an editor in there so i was like yo take this editor toss it out uh oh we had a keyboard uh you know it still has a keyboard but i was like took some of the functionalities and i just started taking stuff out just like get this out of here get this out of here get that and slim it down right as soon as we slimmed it down, we gave it a new face. Boom. Our revenue quadrupled. What's it again? People don't get it?

Yeah. Gifitize. Gifitize. There it is. Jamie's got it. Yeah. G-I-F-I-T-I-Z-E. The ultimate Twitter gif downloader.

Yeah. Yeah. And this thing's about to be super huge. We have a gallery coming soon, and that's going to be awesome. It's going to be perfectly curated. I'll speak to my partner, Simone, this morning about that. That's one of the fun things about Twitter. When someone says something stupid, and then you look at all the GIFs underneath it, all the memes and GIFs.

Yeah. So we empower people. Like, Black Twitter's on our app. So whenever there's a new video out, you know, something funny happens and you use it as a reaction. So we on iOS, there's no way to save it. Now you can with our app. But our app only does one thing. Everybody's and they love it.

Right. That's that's the core of the business. What's the core of minds? What's the core of the business. What's the core of minds? What's the core of gap? What's the core feature? Does anybody know? There is not a core feature. Yeah, I wouldn't.

I would say just something as an alternative to traditional media. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So there is no uniqueness where there is no uniqueness. You can't compete. You have to first create uniqueness or or fill a need there there's no need for me to be on these other platforms the problem is when you get on those other platforms and there's no one there you go let me go back to twitter real quick yeah and that's why i say when you build a social network the before you build a network you

have i mean before you build the platform, you have to build a network. Well, it's interesting if you go back to like 2003 when MySpace was king and then you imagine what the world would be like 16 years later. No one would have saw this coming. No one would have saw all these social media platforms and that it's used as a way of breaking news now. I mean, especially in places that don't have real objective news. So if you're in some country that's some war-torn country and some horrible shit is going down, you see the news breaking on Twitter before anywhere,

which is really interesting. Oh, yeah. That's why I tell people, like, screw Facebook and Instagram. The news breaks on Twitter. By the time I show my friend, my friend shows me a video. I'm like, I saw it on Twitter like two weeks ago, bro. Because he's on Facebook or he's on Instagram. Right.

So it's like, how do you market a product or market yourself when you're two weeks behind? Is everything two weeks behind on Instagram, though? I get a lot of shit on instagram too like but you're joe rogan yeah i am so it's a bit different you know i guess and it depends on who you're surrounded by right right so when we talk about a network it's like you know who are the people connected to who are you following who's who you interacting with right but i get like well that's not true i was gonna say i get like most of the fucked up videos of news stories of bad things that are happening in the news come to me on Instagram. But I think.

They send it to you. Yeah, but I think it's even. I think it's even with Instagram and Twitter sending me things. Well, when you're Joe Rogan, even if you're a hotep Jesus, like people will say to me, how do you know so much? I'm like, yo, my followers send me like books and links and stuff like that. Like they're just sending it to me how do you know so much i'm like yo my followers to me like yeah books and links and stuff like that like they're just sending it to me i'm you know sometimes i ask sometimes i don't but they're volunteering information um so when you're in that position you know you can afford it but when so the key to marketing is this you know you got your four p's of marketing but the key to marketing is relevance if what you're talking about is

irrelevant nobody's paying attention to you right yeah So the only thing that makes some of these platforms relevant is the juxtaposition to the big tech giants. You remove the tech giants. Are you still relevant? What makes you relevant? Right. Right. do content whether they're um you know podcasters or whatever they probably should be thinking about developing an email list and putting things on the website having something available independently of these big platforms i've been thinking about that a lot lately doing what but something independent of these big platforms where like if i mean you see all these people that have gotten de-platformed yeah and i don't think i'm at the risk of that but if the i didn't think these people were just a few years ago as the climate shifts and people get more and more radical with this idea of de-platforming i think it becomes like a game of like shooting ducks people get excited about it they like taking people out whether it makes

sense or not and i think there's a lot of that going on where people are calling for people to be de-platformed just because they disagree with them and so far these big tech companies have resisted some of it but not not enough of it for my taste yeah yeah you know my boy alex jones they got him out of here i think you know if i was a Alex My ego would be so huge After getting deplatformed Well when we did a podcast together After he was deplatformed It was one of the biggest podcasts

Of all time Yeah What did it get like 16 million YouTube videos Yeah That's your highest one Yeah Meanwhile YouTube did not

Demonetize that one We let them know in advance Just heads up Alex Jones is coming on Yeah And they just took that money Yeah It's interesting how Just heads up, Alex Jones is coming on. Yeah. And they just took that money. It's interesting how it works, right?

Like what they choose to de-platform, what they don't choose to. You know, it's, I mean, I don't like the argument that they're doing it for our good. I don't think they are. Who made them God? Yeah. Who made them, you know, mom and said, this is good for you. Do you think they are yeah well who who who made them god yeah who made them you know mom and said this is good for you do you think they should be forced to follow the first amendment no what do you think they should be forced to do nothing nothing nothing i think i think they should be uh operating in a manner that doesn't hurt earth you know it doesn't hurt

nature right if they're polluting or doing something that harms somebody specifically, then yes, right? So if they become a giant monopoly just because they're better than everything else that's available, like U2 has become, then they run the show. But there's always the underground. Yeah. Look at hip-hop, right? There's always been an underground in hip-hop. Comedy as well. Comedy as well.

You know, so you got dudes you know so i was talking to somebody today we're talking about consciousness or conscious hip-hop and dudes say oh there's no money in conscious hip-hop i'm like what like farrell march tours consistently dead press dead press yeah tours consistently never had any mainstream attention at all the only the closest thing they had to mainstream is when they were dave chappelle's block party okay that was about it yeah yeah so it's like you don't need mainstream we don't need mainstream you know here's the thing with mainstream when you get mainstream you're that bitch now you gotta play by their rules you know and and once you break

those rules you get deep platforms what you need to do is you need to focus on building your own platform so they can't touch you when you get to a certain place say if you're helping me out i called you in hotep jesus i need some help right what do i do with this platform this platform right here right here oh dang what if they come down on us uh all right so you got to self-host it probably on blockchain. I would definitely, BitChute just locked up. How do I self-host it on blockchain? I don't know.

Blockchain is one of those words that I use that I don't really understand. Me too. I just say it because it's a cool buzzword, right? That's a great word. It's just like, you know. It sounds like if some dude is a tech guy guy Like yourself Is a tech startup And you start talking About blockchain I go oh yeah

I'll just nod my head Yeah blockchain Yeah yeah My friend uploaded MP3 to The BSV network maybe Okay It's just very confusing

And I was trying to ask him Like now that it's on there Yeah How are people gonna get it And like he wanted to Just be like the first on there Which he is Okay

It might not be BSV I might be speaking wrong Is that your rapper friend Yes Okay Hey well he's ahead he's ahead of him he's ahead of this he's just like him on some of this bitcoin stuff so yeah but that's where it's at and i was talking to him for that like he's almost my guinea pig like all right you did it how you figured it out now how do i get a three-hour podcast on there right how are people going to get it it's like it's not figured out yet people are definitely working on it and then every day there's been advances yeah i just don't know i don't know how it's going to go i mean you could build your own cloud yes you know build your own cloud and and self-host and you know you know

what else you could do you could connect with all your other celebrity buddies pull your resources together and just build a competitor and then own this space and be like, I'm the new YouTube. It's called Rogantube now. You know what I mean? You could do that, and then everybody just runs to your platform. I'd support it. I'd have to have a way better name.

How do you do that without using Google's cloud services? What you need to do is buy Vimeo. Vimeo's dying on the vine. That bitch is barely alive. Maybe. So these questions that you ask, right? They're on the internet, kind of. Right.

Almost. So these questions that you ask, I don't know. I don't code, right? So what we do is we get the best tech minds in the building, and we ask them the questions. Hey, answer this. It's not like they can't answer them. Sure. They're going to find solutions.

There's always a way. You know, just got to put the right minds in the room. The right minds in the room and the right people that are influencers that can get the word out. Yeah. You have to you got to follow the drop on a napkin rule. And, you know, when you put the drop on a napkin, it spreads out. Right. So you got to figure, you know, who's your network and then, you know, maybe build like 12 people around and make sure that these people are linked you know based upon interest right so then it starts at those interest points or affinities and then the next tier grows out from there but as long as that tight-knit group all right so the problem with gap right it's all people say oh it's all nazis Well, that's that tight-knit group.

A tight-knit group of Nazis. Gab should sell a shirt that says that. It's not just that, though. It's not just that at all. If you have 100 regular folks and one Nazi, that Nazi becomes the defining factor of the group. Like, oh, there's Nazis in there. Right. So, you know, it's not that at all,

but there is a strong white nationalist movement that first gravitated over there. If he didn't have that, there would be no Gab. You think so? I mean, I don't think so at all. Really? Yeah. Like, who would go there? People that got kicked off of Twitter. But the only people that got kicked off Twitter in the early days were the white nationalists.

Well, who was the first people? Like, if you go back to- Gavin McGinnis. Yeah. Gavin McGinnis is an interesting character. He does not identify as a white nationalist. No, he does not. And his wife is actually Native American.

He's just made some stupid choices. Right. Well, I mean, like, B alaska was kind of thrown into that yeah but he just like a meme maker he's like a guy who makes funny memes it's very funny right very entertaining um but i think it comes down to who's dangerous or not yeah well the proud boys became a dangerous idea because once you have a group and you don't control who joins the group then assholes can join your group and then your group is made out of assholes and you don't control who joins the group, then assholes can join your group, and then your group is made out of assholes. And you're like, well, I didn't want it to be assholes,

but you let anybody in. If you let anybody in a group, I used to have a joke about vegans about that. The problem with any group is the same. If you get any group of 100 people, if you're in a room with 100 people, what's the odds that one of them is going to be a fucking idiot? Well, it's 100%.

One of them is going to be a fucking idiot. Well, if you have 300 million people, you're going to have, by odds, 3 million fucking idiots. Right. And the joke was a lot of them are vegans. Yeah. Yeah. It's not there's anything wrong with vegans. It's with a group and people just identify.

They get in that group. This is my group and I'm here to represent. And then it's just dummies. The thing with the Proud Boys is the ruling elite are afraid of men. You know, it's a huge soy boy movement

coming down the pipe. Soy everywhere. If anybody's listening right now or everybody that's listening right now, soy is bad for you. It's not good. It is very bad for you. It's processed nonsense.

It gives you estrogen. Yes. Well, it activates the phytoestrogens no one has active phytoestrogens that attack the endocrine endocrine gland system now when you look at the endocrine gland system uh for people in the spiritual world endocrine gland system is the physical manifestation of the so-called chakras. Right now at the heart chakra, what we have is called the thymus gland. And the thymus gland is the one that controls your sexual maturity. And when you have an endocrine gland disruptor, your sexual maturity is affected. So a man who would ordinarily like women now likes you see what i'm saying but wouldn't you have to have massive quantities of soy for that to take place that's that's

subjective based upon your biological structure i always think of it as more as like a fun thing to say i don't think you know well here's a tofu you turn into a bitch well here's the thing you can't go in a grocery store and find something that doesn't have soy when you go look at your cheeses or your crackers it was to say soy less than soy and everything so everywhere right uh they use it as filler for some meats so the whole vegan movement right you go and you go get your your your vegan burger burger yeah right uh A lot of these burgers are soy based. A lot of them are plant based for sure. Plant based oils.

Right. Which is not good for you. Right. And then you also look at the links between soy and cancer. But that's a whole nother story. But when you have something that's disrupting your so-called chakras, you can see how you can start affecting an entire population of people. Right. Start affecting their development at an early age.

And then, you know, you got these men who are acting like women who can't even, you know, control their wives. You got some men out here that let another man sleep with their girlfriend. Right. And out here. I don't know about here. What are you saying out here? Well When I say out here That's everywhere Out in the world Yeah yeah yeah But

Isn't that just people Are just kinky And the weird shit Well No You don't think so? No What do you think it is?

I think it's pushed I think debauchery Is highly pushed Yeah By who? The ruling elite The ruling class I want to say elite

Because they're not elite They really have time To sit around and go, you know, we need to do we need to push the box. Well, when you look at the degradation of Russia, right, for the Bolshevik revolution, what they do is they come in first with alcohol. Right. So they purchase your hops and your barley and they produce alcohol. Then what they do is they sell the alcohol to the farmer on credit because he ain't got no money right because he's been drunk he hasn't been producing the crops like he should he falls into credit he falls into debt when he falls into debt he's now a slave to the land he once owned now and i can sell uh whatever i want to this population or give this population whatever I want because they are now technically my slave but in order to rule a a nation of people you have to destroy morality you have to destroy

integrity so you you feed them drugs alcohol and sex and then tear apart the family but do you think that that's just a natural progression of people's slovenly instincts or do you think that that's just a natural progression of people's slovenly instincts? Or do you think that's some sort of a grand plan? Do you think people have a slovenly instinct? Some people do. Yeah. I think some people are lazy and some people are weak and some people are greedy and some people just, they lean towards just pleasure without sacrifice and discipline because it's easy they just lay in bed and jerk off i don't think anybody's telling them i don't think there's any sinister government

manipulating their strings that makes them watch porn all day i think they just well yeah it actually you know instagram is a gateway to porn instagram you can't go on instagram without looking at some booty right yeah but it's also a gateway to sunsets and people's kids and muscle cars and come on joe cool shit anybody going on instagram look at that sunset people are going to instagram and look at booty there's a lot of that no doubt yoga community has went from hey check out my bakasana to check out my backside yeah in these pants right a lot of yoga pants pics booty booty booty just booty alone it's an industry it is a giant industry on instagram yeah so what happens is you you wake up in the morning you check your notifications then your homie tags

you yo look at this chick boom right now you have erection. What's the first thing you do? You're like, ah, let me go to my browser, open incognito browser and hit point hub. Boom. Now you out of here, right? Now your day's done. You just depleted your energy, right? And this coming out in my book where I talk about, you know, why you shouldn't jerk off and all that stuff. You write that you shouldn't jerk off?

Yeah. Never? Well, there's a calculation. You have a jerk off algorithm? Yeah, there's a calculation. You have a jerk off algorithm. Yeah, there's a jerk off algorithm. It's created by the Tao. The Taoist sexology. And I think it's your age times to know your age divided by two times. And I forget what it is. It's in my book. I can't remember it, but I got it from the Tao. Right. Which is why I don't have it memorized. Time point is age times point two. I think it's age times point two. And then to tell you how many days. Right.

So at my age, I'm 38 now. My age, it's about seven and a half days between ejaculation to me to maintain who I am. Really? Yeah. And damn. Yes. So a man's strength is his balls right that's right so every time you deplete yourself you're not the same man anymore you lose your superpowers now when you lose your superpowers to some you know ig model it's not even worthy your orgasm doesn't feel the same as a natural interaction with a woman right you know what i mean true so you're you're wasting your superpower on on like a fictional fantasy so you're wasting a percentage of your vital energy your vital energy as well as the proteins and minerals and zinc and magnesium and all that stuff that you know is lost yeah you know

i think it's equivalent to like two new york strips steaks eggs oranges and apples or something like that really oh yeah it's a lot of vitamins that's why i have a woman on the size of the loads you shoot though no oh yeah that's why ladies should swallow whoa jesus ladies i'm sorry that's why you should ingest it if the man is healthy because it's a full meal. It's a full meal. It's a full meal of nutrients that a man loses. Is it bioavailable that way? I wonder if anyone has done studies. I bet they have.

I bet people have done like nutrition slash load studies. It's probably a startup out there like trying to do this right now. Yeah, like calculate it into an app. Mm-hmm. Where is this conversation going now? I totally forgot what we were talking about. Well, we're talking about manipulating you, turning you into a soy boy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Making people weak. You think there's actual – so this is where we differ. You think there's actual manipulation taking place. I think it's just natural instincts and then i think that people see it around them and then they cater to those natural instincts and then they support those natural instincts but i think people have a natural instinct to be undisciplined and lazy and just gratuitous and you know yeah dive into pleasure before sacrifice and commitment and discipline. So are we making excuses for it?

Not making excuses. I think it's also the softness of the world we live in. Oh, yeah. I mean, we live in this incredibly easy to get by in world. Right. You know, where the poor people are fat. Yeah. There's never been a time in history where poor people are fat.

Yeah, yeah. That comes down to what's in the actual food. Yeah. So- yeah so-called it's certainly that it's certainly the food is garbage but it's also that this is a strange lack of discipline because it's not yeah it's not necessary all you have to do is just show up to your job put in the the least amount of effort you can without getting fired and you can exist right that didn't that didn't happen in the wild world when people are hunters and gatherers. If you didn't put 100% effort, if you didn't really struggle, you didn't make it.

You weren't a benefit to the tribe and they kicked your ass out and you got eaten. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how it's supposed to be. I do agree with that. I do agree with that. Discipline is what we have to demand from people. But your culture has to recognize

debauchery and and and shun it and ban it and say like hey you know we don't want this here you know um porn is readily available on twitter you can watch it right in your feed sometimes i'm scrolling my feed and i know that's a weird thing thing about Twitter, isn't it? That it's a giant platform, but they allow porn. Yeah. You know, when I had Jack on with Tim Pool, and I think Tim Pool didn't even know that porn was illegal on it. Yeah. Right?

I saw that. I saw that. Yeah. I found a little bit of information. I don't know how accurate it is. About Tim Pool's Twitter use? No, on the ejaculation frequency. Okay.

Yes. Recommended by the Tals. Yeah. Here we go. It said, the most respected of the TAL theorists Sun Simiao Quoted above Recommends ejaculation no more than once every 20 days

For men over 50 And no more than once every 100 days For men over 60 I should be dead And it has to do with No energy How am I getting everything done You're getting age retarding hormones As you're about to ejaculate and then there's a level you want to keep before

you ejaculate so like that you can balance what you're before you excrete the hormones that's what it's saying so tantra real quick yeah i think so i think that's what you're supposed to come internally there's a yeah there's a level you can optimize yourself. Injaculation, they call it. Those people are out of their fucking minds. I'm trying to get rid of this shit. I've always said that it helps you think

because too many times with a man, your mind is clouded by sexual desire. If you could just jerk off and then you can think clearly. I always tell people I just have a bit about it.

I say jerk off first then think about it. If you jerk off and then you want to call a girl, it's because you love her. You're not just trying to fuck. You actually like her as a human being. You want to be around her. You don't just want to be around her for sex.

You actually really love her. Yeah. I think there's a level of discipline, right? So, yeah, if you're about to make that risky text message, you might want to shoot your low. That's right. That's what I'm talking about. But you're like, what the fuck? I'm going to watch a fucking documentary. Put that phone down. But that's for an undisciplined man. Yes. Right. So a disciplined man is going to say, no, I'm not going to send this thirst trap, you know, this thirsty comment. I'm going to stay disciplined in who I am because in order to get the woman, I have to stay away from the woman. You know? In order to get the woman, I have to stay away from the woman. Yeah. And keeping your vital man energy, for me, keeps me, like, on edge.

Like, I'm always like an animal you know what i mean right um because i want to release right i'm saying so um what i do is i'll work up that energy and then channel it into work i'll just immediately pull my laptop out just bang out because it's like that frustration there and then just you got to release it that way i'll go running i'll go work out you know what i'm saying but when i get around women with a full sack i'm not the same as when i'm empty yes and they see you can see the difference in how they're attracted you you sit up different your chest pokes out when you're around other men you're like a little bit more edgy yeah yeah you know what i mean after you blow your load you're kind of like chilled out yeah non-competitive non-competitive

yeah interesting you hold on to that like fighters you know how to fight a fight well mike tyson never did that mike tyson said no i always like to come as much as possible if i'm not distracted you just shoot his loads and beat the fuck out of everybody. But I think Mike had a lot of extra loads. I think if you had to guess his level, he was just an ultra man. He was not a regular man. It says, A research published by the U.S. National Library of Medicine and National Institutes of Health

found that after seven days of not ejaculating, men's testosterone levels reached 145.7% of the baseline. Bam! The interesting thing is that they didn't observe significant fluctuations from the baseline on days two through five. The research also showed that the peak levels were at day seven. Yeah. Risks.

Dow. It's actually Dow, by the way. It's T-A-O. You say it as Dow. The Dow of Jeet Kune Do. Risks of too frequent ejaculation when sex is performed with the recommended Dow frequency, it becomes an inexhaustible source of energy like a well that never runs dry. Yeah.

inexhaustible source of energy like a well that never runs dry yeah however when ejaculation frequency exceeds the capacity of the body to fully replenish the semen man can experience chronic fatigue low resistance loss of sex drive loss of focus and irritability long-term excessive ejaculation can cause chronic low zinc conditions which can cause chronic fatigue mental confusion and significant loss of sexual drive but what if you're with a freak like that girl will harris was talking about my friend will harris was in here the other day and he was saying he he used to meet these girls and go overseas oh it's also considered harmful to ejaculate when ill drunk or gorged with food whoa here's the next the. Oh, which one? Ejaculation control and discipline is not to be confused with the frequency of sex.

There are significant physiologic... What's that word? Physiological? I don't think there's supposed to be a period there. Oh. Physiologic and therapeutic benefits to having sex. Frequent sex intercourse maintains a man's interest in the acts as well as his capacity

to continue indefinitely until his partner is fully satisfied so they're saying fuck but don't come yes those people out of their fucking mind i come every time i fuck yo i i i used to uh trying to get rid of this stuff i used to fuck every three weeks i used to fuck with girls heads like that we would not come yeah really. Really? They start crying. Wow. I had a girl like straight down, break up crying. I can't please you. Is it me?

Is it not? I'm just like, no. I just wanted you to be happy. How do you feel? I feel good. Good. Then I go and I hit the laptop and it just turns them on. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. They love that. They love that. Right. Because nature wants them to get you to come. Yes. Women only respect a disciplined man you know that's true once a woman can drop your defenses she's no longer attracted to you if she can control you she's not attracted to you a woman wants a man she

could chase in my book i talk about how women are the apex predator they're the ones that chase after sex i mean they can have sex endlessly right once we not it's like we're pretty much done like i mean you need a couple minutes to recharge but they could keep going you know what i'm saying so they're you know technically like you know freaks or whatever but just because she's undisciplined in her sexual energy doesn't mean you have to be and if she feels like she has to go outside of the relationship to go get her fix, that's on her. That has nothing to do with you. Your aspirations as a man are higher than sex.

A woman's role is to create life and support the man. The man's role is to create the forge in the future of humanity, you know, building things and innovating. It is true that a woman is not attracted to a guy without discipline like men who are lazy and weak that is a giant turnoff to yeah a woman but if a woman is hot she could be pretty lazy absolutely they are the laziest people but we don't care men don't care i don't care if a girl's lazy she's hot well as long as her body holds up why she can get to the gym i used to make girls work to get me man really yeah like you know i would say um you know i'm working on this project you know i'm gonna send you a spreadsheet over i need you to go organize it

and if she'd say no i'd just be like all right well you're worthless to my life right i need i need somebody that's gonna build with me right what if she's building on her own shit fuck her shit? Fuck her shit. Go build your shit. You know, if you need help, I'll help you. Right. But, you know. So you want a partner.

Yeah. You don't want just a lover. That's what you're saying. No. No. You want someone to help you. No. I want her to prove her worth. Whoa.

She got to be worthy to get me. Like, you know, it's easy to get a girl. It ain't easy to get a good man. You know, you're only going to find one hotep Jesus in in your life i could find a ton of you shorty wow you everywhere on instagram after joe rogan is gonna be they gonna be everywhere so but now some would say that that's a sexist generalization sure i don I don't care. I don't care. We can have that conversation. Bring me on your platform.

We can talk. If you want to call it sexist, it is what it is. Have you ever had a conversation with a radical feminist about this kind of thing? No. They won't talk to me. They all block me. They block you? Yeah.

They all block me. The whole black, left, feminist. The reason why they block me is because they can't beat me right when we have conversations i'm so objective that it's too dangerous for them to engage with me how so because i'll be like it's sexist yes and so let's let's continue the conversation and then that's where they don't want to go because then they're going to have to provide reinforcement and evidence and they're dealing with an educated man and I'm going to come with my evidence and facts. So you don't have a problem being sexist. That's what the problem is.

Because if someone calls you sexist and you go, yeah, yeah, I'm sexist. Yeah, it is what it is. It's like if somebody called me racist. Sure, whatever. I don't care what your opinion is. I don't care about these isms that you create. I understand nature. I understand myself that's an interesting

thing that i see today that i find really strange is that people that are denying evolutionary biology i mean there's yeah decades of research being done why people behave the way they behave what women are attracted to what men are attracted to and what the spectrum is and then they say science is racist yeah that's what's where science is sexist or fuck your science that's a fucking fascinating to me when people don't want to look at it because it doesn't support their ideology they want to deny all this research deny all these really objective geniuses that have been studying all this stuff and the best minds in the field have come to these conclusions based

on just insurmountable amounts of data not interested yeah so fine the patriarchy yeah i have a shirt that says i am the patriarchy you know like no matter what you throw at me i'm just going to embrace it i'm going to say yeah it's real there is a patriarchy there's also a matriarchy you need to handle your matriarchy and stop worrying about the patriarchy because if you handled your matriarchy the patriarchy wouldn't be your problem the problem is you don't know how to be a woman what do you think is a good piece of advice for women on how to be a woman a good piece of advice why don't you like a woman hotep hotep teaches women hotep teaches women. HOTEP teaches women. Hmm. What's a good piece of advice? Emotional control. Emotional control.

And so the number one problem I see with women is, damn, this is a lot here, right? All right, let's go here. Okay. Women let their friends, they tell their friends their business. Yes. Stop that. Stop telling their friends their business. Yes. Stop that. Stop telling your friends your business. Stop telling your, like, when I have problems with, you know, my girl or, you know, or in the past when I had problems with women, I didn't run back, yo, guess what, man, yo, yo, man.

We don't do that. If my friends do that, they better be laughing. Right. If my friend goes, dude, you're not going to believe what this chick said to me. They give me a hard time, but if they go, dude, I don gonna believe what this chick said to me if they give me a hard time but if they go dude i don't know man she wants me to quit my job like hey don't do that to me man yeah put that shit on me yeah you know um so so so i think women also you have to understand that they're they're giving this uh information to a friend who is also

single when a woman gets in a relationship she loses a friend right because now you have less time to spend with your bestie so the bestie's jealous of the relationship so whenever you go back and tell her she's never going to give you sound advice true she's always going to take your side yeah so you have to judge your friends and say well if i'm giving this information to my friend is she an objective friend or is she a subjective friend she's going to feed my ego and if you can't analyze that on your own, then you'll never have peace in your relationship. Because the worst thing to do is, here's the problem, the relationship's built on trust. So if a man and a woman come together and you tell all my business to your friend,

where's the trust? Where's our privacy? We have none. We don't have a relationship. You have a relationship with your friend. So go be with your friend i don't got time to be you know i something happens in my personal life i'm gonna go tell this strange girl what happened in my personal life something i told you that was private to relate it to something else that could be happening in our relationship you know what i mean yeah but i think we have different instincts women have the instinct to gossip they love it it's just it comes from that hunter gatherer culture where back in the day that's what would happen the men would go out and try to hunt the food and the women would stay home and they would talk shit yeah absolutely yeah again discipline yourself women yeah

another thing get a hobby a healthy one women don't have hobbies their hobbies are all like consumerism don't have hobbies all of them all not not all of them i know women with hobbies all of them that's not true that's not true but you know in my book i say you know say all because it gets the people going right um gets them upset yeah it gets people going because they always go well no it's some it's like i know it's some you're more around you know what i'm saying but i say all just to get people going but majority women don't have hobbies you know do something that is uh because they're inundated with advertising you know their hobbies become consumerism and oh you know retail uh therapy or you know i do makeup for fun no you

don't do makeup for fun that's not what you do that's not a hobby makeup's not a hobby i'm sorry ladies a hobby is something that develops your your individual person something that makes you better some kind of a discipline an art form right some way to express yourself you know some physical thing that you do yeah like so like one of my hobbies is chess right that helps me focus when i when i see that my attention span is getting short because i spend too much time on social media i go to chess and i'll spend time on chess to bring that back to reality do you play physical chess or do you play online uh online yeah i can do otb but you know i

do what's otb uh over the board oh that's that means physical oh that's how that's what you call it yeah it's called otb do you do speed chess where you hit the timer or do you do regular chess? Well, online I do speed chess. I do five-minute games. That's impressive. Yeah, yeah. It's a whole other world. I've been scared of chess.

I've always been scared of chess. I have an obsession with games. I have real problems. And chess is one of them. I've played it a little bit, but I'm like, fuck, this could take over my life. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah you know um uh if i'm not careful i'll be sleeping and and playing chess oh yeah you know like sometimes i'll be chilling like we'll be having a conversation and i'll space out and be doing chess problems in my head so that happens sometimes you know a lot especially on days that i play a lot of chess i remember

howard stern was really getting into chess and he was taking private lessons he was talking about all the time but i think he found the same thing do you remember that i think he found the same thing i think he just got too obsessed with it's like i can't fucking do this anymore yeah yeah well one of my life goals is to be a chess master one day really yeah yeah you know and when you say chess master what do you have to do to be a master okay so you have national master then you have international master and then you have a game master or the gm i forget what it's called uh national master you have to uh participate in i believe one of the tournaments one of the uh i forget the federation um but you have to enter one of these tournaments and you

have to place a certain uh you know i think it's maybe top two or top three at a certain tournament don't quote me on this stuff but you have to go through the tournaments and i think in order to become international you have to first become national master and then national master you can go be international if i'm not mistaken and then know, GM. Do you ever see the video of Eddie Fisher or Bobby Fisher? When Bobby Fisher was walking down this row of chess games, he was playing like 10 different games simultaneously. Yeah. The champ now, Carlson, does something similar.

Well, Carlson will play several people or he'll play without a board. That always interested me. I've seen people do that. Yeah. This dude I knew who went to prison was playing. This is a pool hall that he used to play at in White Plains, Executive Billiards. And this kid was a chess master. He was like a 16-year-old.

I don't know if he was a master. He was a chess genius. Right. kid was a chess master he's like a 16 year old i don't know master i mean he's a chess genius right 16 year old kid um and he was playing with this dude who was like in his 40s who had been in prison he learned how to play chess with no board in prison so they were just sitting across from each other talking saying the moves and then they would both like recognize where the pieces were on the board yeah really interesting yeah i mean that that level of visualization is where humanity has to take itself you know that's why i say chess is great because

it allows you to visualize and in order to manifest your desires in this world you have to be able to visualize what you want the more you can focus the more you can visualize the better your mind is i believe because our life is based upon visualization you see what i'm saying yeah um women need to get back to that too visualizing goals i think women are are very spiritual so uh in africa there's this uh oh man i'm slipping on my studies i studied this a long time ago but uh the man is uh holding the child and the woman is pointing up to the sky right and it's like the man is like that earthly thing like we handle things in the physical and the woman's sort of like that into intuitive being

women have to get back to being that intuitive being because if you notice our women always seem to warn us about stuff right like oh don't do this like damn i should have listened to her that time yeah you know what i'm saying they have to get back to their spiritual nature and i think a lot of them get away from that and that'll ground them too and they won't need so much emotional support from friends and family because they're back in their spiritual nature well how does a woman do that you You can start with meditating. You know, meditating. Being happy with just being alone with yourself.

A lot of people can't be alone with themselves. Yeah. You know, they always need, like, some sort of device. Isn't it interesting that it's attractive when people are capable of being alone? Yeah. Like, I remember these two girls were talking about some guy that one of them was dating and uh she goes yeah he's really into his career which is a huge turn on i was like oh that's interesting yeah he just needs time he's he's disciplined he works all the time he's always working on his career which is a huge turn on and i was like well you two little cluckers well women have to

get back to that too like y'all to learn how to pick a good man. Sometimes y'all are picking crap men based upon the money or things that they have. You get in a relationship, you find out he's $100,000 in debt. And he's a douche, right? Even though he's got these things. I think women have to get better at seeing potential in men. But don't they have to be tricked a few times before they can see the problems? Yeah.

Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah. That's a fucking dirty thing for a girl. Let loser fuck you and go god damn it yeah yeah i had him thought i had a winner yeah i mean i i've been a victim of that well not a victim but you know i've done that to women myself sorry ladies you know everybody did wrong back in the day yeah yeah i've done some wrong stuff well you become a different person as time goes on. Yeah, you grow from it. It's just part of evolution of the human.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think society's expectations in women are, it's very difficult for a man to understand it. We see it from the outside. But to feel it as a woman, it's got to be very different. I mean, there's a lot of women out there that are looking for a man like a successful man they're looking for a successful man and they want to attach themselves and that's like that's the goal yeah there's not that's not a goal of men so it's it's very difficult for us to understand that our goal for you know obviously we're generalizing right yeah but our goal is to be successful ourselves right well you can't you can't know what man you want unless you know who you are

and a lot of people are getting in relationships without being in relationship with themselves first so when um you know in order to have a sound relationship you have to know your socioeconomic stance it's sad when you get into a relationship with a conservative and you're liberal and you start arguing about donald trump and a relationship breaks because he's on one side these are the conversations that you need to have up front and if you don't know where you are politically and socioeconomically for example they say a lot of relationships break up because of money, right? And you got one person's a bad spender, the other one's thrifty, right? These are the conversations you need to have first.

How do you manage your money? Are you good with your money? And if you guys don't agree with how you want to pull your resource and how you want to pull your money and what you want to do with it in the future. You know, some people, you might get in a relationship with a girl and she's like, I want a Porsche. You know, I want a Land Rover. And I'm like, I want she's like i want a porsche you know i want a land rover and i'm like i want a business i want a vc you know what i mean yeah so you have two people that are going separate directions one's going as consumer route one's going independent you know producer route so you have to first see are you a consumer maybe you need to be a with a consumer are you a producer you don't need to be with a consumer you need to

find someone as producer so if you if you agree on social economics you'll have a better relationship with people but you have to know what you want out of life first and then find people connected based upon that not the physical looks and all that other stuff yeah and i think sometimes people think they want something because it's very difficult to attain they see these things and they go oh that's the that's the prize yeah well you know the thing is these stuff aren't hard to obtain like you know getting a Porsche isn't hard right it's hard for a lot of people depends on how much you make what you do what kind of job you're trapped in hard is relative right you know like like I tell my kids hard is uh basically

undiscovered that's all it is right so for example when you first do algebra it's hard right but that's just because it's new so hard equals new that's what hard means it's new because once you do algebra three four five ten times it's not new anymore and therefore it's not hard so once you break past the the newness of a thing it's no longer hard like building a business it's not new to me therefore it's not hard it's very easy for me to build a business yeah because i've done it so many times in my life you see i'm saying jifatize is cash flowing 4x what it was doing when i first joined the company and all i did was make a few tweaks that's only because i'm not new to the tech startup space

i've been working with over 20 startups over 20 startups in a matter of two three years as a consultant so this stuff when people say oh it's hard it's like no that's not hard it's new and you're an idiot and you don't know what you're doing it's not hard to achieve anything in his life my uh you know i used to work for 50 cent right and um uh i uh when i lived in new brunswick right by ruckus i i i wasn't really a 50 cent fan i enjoyed his music but i wasn't a fan to buy a poster i bought this poster it was him and g unit and he had this big stash of money i was like yo this just this poster motivates me you fast forward 10 years and some other things i did to get close to 50 and i actually work with 50 that was technically hard right it's not easy to get next to 50 but when i did it it happened like that then i started working with

carmelo anthony so you're saying once it actually happened to turn it wasn't actually hard no hard it's hard for some people no they're just not disciplined hard hard is dealing with yourself that's what's hard can you defeat your own mind so when when I wake up every morning, the only thing I got to defeat is doubt. It's the only thing I have to defeat. Once I defeat doubt. I live in a limitless world. Infinite possibilities. I can literally do anything. So. So people told me, oh, in order to be in tech, you know, you need a million dollars and this, that and a third. Dude, I got equity in three tech companies. Three tech companies. And I'm not rich. I didn't, you know, put up millions to get into these companies.

I'm part of these companies because I built me. And it wasn't hard. It really wasn't hard to get into these companies. I just had something to offer. And they saw value in me. I want to the next elon musk i want to be the next bill gates i want to be the guy that zuckerberg hates you see what i'm saying i want to be the guy that that builds the new silicon valley on the east coast you know that like that's those are my aspirations so when people tell me what you can and can't not do when it's hard i'm like dude i i'm selling bitcoin how many black dudes do you know sell bitcoin none i don't know anybody who sells bitcoin exactly and people are telling me this is hard it's not hard you you you get what you want and and i didn't

get into bitcoin out of dumb luck i manifested that i said i wanted to sell bitcoin how can i manifest it then i let it go and the universe brought me the opportunity and then it happened and when i said when i first said i want to be a vc first thing i want to do is start building a portfolio i didn't look for companies they found me it just i just had to ask the universe and it presented opportunities and i just had to so what do you mean by you had to ask the universe and it presented opportunities and I just had to. So what do you mean by you had to ask the universe? I had to put the intention out there. So do you think that literally by thinking about things, you can make them happen?

You can make the opportunity present itself. And then you have to be ready to take advantage. So let's we got to walk through the story, the 50 cent thing. Right. So I get invited to his bus launch right for the company now i'm sitting on the bus they move me to the back because of security reasons so i'm in the back of the bus when the bus start moving in my head fear kicks in and doubt kicks in and i'm telling myself i should just hop with the bus stopped and i said i should just hop up and just start screaming i'm on the bus for 50 cent and i'm like nah i don't do that they invited you out here you got to sit here and that's not right and you know all these things society says is right so i stand up and i go yeah i'm on a bus for 50 cent right and then the whole crowd rushes the bus after the crowd finishes

they take one of the uh energy drink shirts they throw it on me throw the hat on me they bring me to the front of the bus now i'm sitting next to to 50 Cent. Fast forward two years later, I'm in a 50 Cent company. But it's because I started off with defeat and doubt. But also listening to my intuition, my intuition said to hop up and do that. Right. But the opportunity was presented to me. I didn't I didn't create the opportunity. They DM me and said, yo, we want you to come. I didn't ask didn't create the opportunity they dm'd me and said yo we want you to come I didn't ask they invited me but it's because I kept putting that 50 cent energy out there you see I kept putting that out there like I won't mess with 50 cent I won't miss it for 10 years I've been putting information that that energy out there 50 of you listening yo holla at me I

want to work with you again um but I really i just really love 50 in his attitude he's just really a fun dude you know he had a funny thing about father's day you see his rant about father's day difference between father's day and mother's day it's very funny um but you know the universe anything you ask for it will present the opportunity the only thing is are you woke enough to see it can you identify it when it hits and and and can you defeat the fear to to to touch and do you have all the other bases in your life covered where you have the bandwidth to tackle something that's difficult correct correct but usually the universe only presents you opportunities you can handle they don't usually it doesn't because if you couldn't handle it you wouldn't be able to recognize it do you say this like the universe presents this to

you this like a spiritual concept i mean is this like are you manifesting reality with your thoughts and intentions do you really believe that all of that why do you believe that because i lived it i experienced it but you lived it and you're successful at it see that's my my perspective on that is always you hear About things like The secret The law of attraction You hear that from people

That are successful They say well I willed it Into existence Yeah But what about the people That tried to will it Into existence And nothing ever worked out right

Well Ora et labora Right Ora et labora Is Latin for work and pray A lot of people Go into the secret And they just praying

But they ain't working Right That's important You know? So. I do see what you're saying. I don't look at it in the same way, but I look at it in a similar way. I think there is something to intention.

There's something. And there's something also to having that kind of faith to believe in intention, whereas I think a lot of people, they're reluctant to give into that because it seems too woo-woo and seems like some crystals and fucking astrology and horse shit you know i mean because there's a lot of that out there a lot of the new age has ruined the law of attraction you know what i mean it's like oh just speaking into a system happened now that's not true you have to first educate yourself so when we talk about hotep right when you talk about hotep you got to bring up the about hotep you got to

bring up the five percent nation you got to bring up supreme mathematics zero cipher one knowledge two wisdom three understanding but it first starts at the number one right number one is knowledge so the problem is people are trying to manifest but they ain't got no knowledge of anything right so how do you manifest something with no knowledge you got to educate yourself you got to first start educating yourself discipline yourself so that you to educate yourself. You've got to first start educating yourself. Discipline yourself so that you can educate yourself as well. Right. And also knowledge is the springboard for imagination.

Right. So if there's a complicated calculus problem, but you don't know what calculus is, how can intuition feed you insight or inspiration to solve a calculus problem you first have to have the knowledge of calculus then when you get it you get all this influx of inspiration like einstein talks about you know he sits down he kind of meditates and then the inspiration comes but the inspiration can only talk to you based upon your understanding you see what i'm saying yes so the problem is people are out here not educating themselves you know i i my day begins and ends with educating myself begins ends and during the day i'm just reading books hopping between books and reading and listening to lectures and people think i'm

deep and i'm like i don't know i don't know whatever whatever i'm intelligent but really my secret is consuming as much information as possible that's my secret't know whatever whatever i'm intelligent but really my secret is consuming as much information as possible that's my secret and then from that i'm able to say oh well you know or you know studying history you know you can you do a lot of things but if you're not educating yourself or or doing you got to do something like just start you know what i mean when you said you're going to write a new book you're in the middle of writing a book are you putting this kind of stuff in your book all right so the next guidelines like that i'm sorry to interrupt you guidelines like that is

i think that's very critical when someone sees someone who's successful and see someone they see someone who's disciplined and focused like okay what do you what are your guidelines how do you do this and how like the way you're laying it out like right now so so this book here right this twitter marketing yeah this book is the how how do you do it right like how do you physically build a brand from start using twitter as a platform now this book can actually be used for any platform i just use twitter as the example right but this is the how that people won't tell you about what marketers won't tell you about. This is the how. Right. It's all the secrets in there. Now, the next book I have is with the editor. It's done. It's written. That's for men and how to have peaceful relationships with women. Right. Because as we see, there's a gender war in America. So we need to create peace.

And what I say is the fault isn't on the women. The fault is on the men. Right. So that book was the cover was designed by Rolo Tomasi, the rational male author. Then we have the book of Hotep was what you're talking about, which is already written. I wrote it two, three years ago. And it's that that structure for your life. So you can manifest these things, you know, so you can use spirit in your work to manifest these things if you're a christian there's secrets in the bible that show you how to you know manifest things so you have to you you can't ignore your spiritual self if you ever watch dr strange she pushes him out and his astral body comes out. So the human being is dual nature.

We have our physical body and we have our astral body. If you never connect with your astral body, you only use half of your potential. What's your astral body? It's basically an ethereal version of your physical body. But it's not bound by time and space so what do you mean by that though what does that mean what do you mean what is that ethereal version of your spiritual body like it's not physical you can't touch it okay right you can't like interact with it right okay but it can travel through space and time right or we talk about our higher selves or we can to make things more understandable because all this

stuff is based upon a subconscious mind right so you use your subconscious mind to program i mean use your conscious mind to program your subconscious mind then the subconscious mind communicates it to your higher mind then a higher mind that's where the magic stuff happens it's out of your control now the higher mind or spirit or god or jesus whatever you want to believe in that's when they start working on this stuff but it has to be a part of you and then life starts reflecting what's in your subconscious mind but the the astral body thing is is kind of like uh something that we use to uh either communicate with people in long distance uh travel through time to to see things that have happened in foreign lands at different times, get inspiration. So when we look at Think and Grow

Rich, right, the book Think and Grow Rich, what does it tell you to do? It tells you create a council of, I think he says dead people or something like that, right? So create a council of dead people, your council, right? So if I did did mine it'd probably be like malcolm x tupac nipsey hussle you know like a whole bunch of people right and you have this congregation meeting of minds you can't do that with your physical body so who's going to be present at this meeting your astral body has to be present at this meeting so that's an example of how we've seen that science taught in thinking garbage. So we can't say this stuff is like. But aren't you saying when you're talking about like a council of dead people, you're saying like your imagination.

You're looking at this council of dead people like what would Tupac do? Like that kind of shit. How would I draw inspiration from Muhammad Ali? How would I take the knowledge of, you know, fill in the blank, whoever's dead. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. So there is that aspect, right, where it's your imagination, right? What would Jesus do?

Right. What would Jesus do? That's the thing. Right. But what we have to understand is there's going to be a sliver of inspirational insight so let's say 90 of your meeting with these people are pure physical your mind imagining these things right then there's that one sliver that one 10 that slides through that gives you that piece of inspiration that you never would have thought about it's like

an idea you know sometimes you're chilling and like oh oh yeah you know that idea that just pops in your head that That is what happens. Now, once you get more advanced, you can get more of that influx of inspiration from, you know, spirit or whatever you want to call it. Get more advanced, meaning practice this all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Practicing, you know, using your astral body to project out and being in another space. Happy Gilmore calls it his happy space. Remember that movie? Yeah.

So what did he do in order to manifest his dreams? He went to his happy place to detach himself from his physical problems. And then he came back and he put in a way. He did the impossible. So it's like they're trying to let you know so if you were to construct this and put this down into guidelines you you're basically streamlining the process of how to be as successful and how to how to just yeah make your dream come true make make your reality how to be a person who's got their shit together

yeah you know the the main thing is problem with people especially young people they don't know what they want to do they don't know their passion or purpose and again that just comes back to knowledge are you studying take your interest and study it when you get bored with it drop it move on to the next thing but you know like over the years i've collected a lot of skills all of them being used now you know like i'm not a photoshop guy but i know how to use photoshop but that happened because at one point i was running a blog i had to know how to edit something or do something you know what i mean so just because it's not a skill you want like at one point I had a photography business

where MySpace was popping out, a photography business. Now, I don't do photography anymore, but I understand it. So when I'm someplace, I can still use these skills, whether it's for a product or something or event, I can still use these skills to my advantage. You know what I mean? So even if you don't like that skill at that time,

it might come in play later on right but the bottom line is you have to start with your knowledge and then and then allow the spirit or intuition to feed it right allow it to feed it like i don't use my logical mind like my logical mind is is only for after inspiration right you get that yeah so you get inspired and then you use your logical mind to figure out how to make this work right and that's where we have to be let the let the logical mind just carry out the menial tasks let the higher mind or intuition lead the way. Now, do you think of these things as being like separate entities or is this all a part of you? It's all one. So when you think of your higher mind, how do you visualize this?

Do you visualize this as something that you don't necessarily have control of but you can tap into? Yeah, I guess you can look at it like that. Like, you know, I'm not the Dalai look at it like that like you know i'm not the dalai lama on this topic you know what i mean but you know i uh for one exercise what i might do is i'll uh i'll put light around my head i'll visualize a sphere of light around my head and you see this in in religious texts and in art you always see jesus christ or saints they always have this glow around their head they call it a halo right but really the halo is like your aura right but also the second aspect is that when i want to use my brain in an advanced way

i can start the firing of neutrons or whatever the technical term is by visualizing something. Even if I want to visualize, you know, thunderstorms in my head, you know, that'll get the brain working, you know, but usually like light. If I want to do distant healing. Right. Let's say you tell me you sick. Right. I probably shouldn't be saying this, but if I want to do distant healing, I would envelop you in light. If I want to do distant healing, I would envelop you in light. I would sit at home, rest, make sure you sleep. Then I would picture light around you. Do you think that you can do that?

You think you can actually heal people from a distance? No, you're not healing anything. What you're doing is you're giving the intention to God that you want this person to be healed and god of the universe is healing we can't heal a damn thing right but you really think that by thinking about something you can put that intention out and it'll change the result yes really what makes you think that uh well they have these scientific tests uh i haven't studied this in a while but there's a test where they fire like these electrons or something like that. And the electrons are supposed to be like on a predictable path. And then when they introduce people to the experiment, the intentions.

You know what I'm talking about? The wave spirit. You know, the problem with that is that's misinterpreted. Okay. The real change is in observing it. Yes. But the change is in observing it because you're measuring it. So by measuring it, you're measuring it so by

measuring it you're changing the pattern like if you talk to a real physicist about it they'll say they've added all this woo-woo to this right that's unnecessary because really what it is is just the tools and the instruments they use to to measure it or change the results yeah yeah i could definitely see that the thing is that physics has to marry spirituality and spirituality has to has to marry uh physics if you don't have that connection between the two we don't got the whole picture spirituality is a weird word what does that mean it's a a very taboo word it's a very abused word it's abused for sure it's i'm not religious but i'm spiritual like that kind of shit yeah

that's where it gets weird yeah i don't like that at all you know when i speak about spirituality i'm speaking about something that really can't be put into words it's unfathomable you know our language isn't designed to talk about this stuff you know when we look at orwell and newspeak there's certain words that don't exist for this stuff you'd have to use a ancient language and even ancient language you try to translate to english it's like we don't have a word for this you ever had it yeah you don't seem to see them like ancient hebrew when they try to translate things right ancient hebrew all the numbers were actually uh all the letters rather actually numbers as well correct correct

yeah um do you know when you talk about halos that the original halo was a mushroom cap? A what? Yeah. A mushroom cap. Yeah. Oh, you're talking about, okay, I got you. The original halo was, well, there's a book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. It's by John Marco Allegro, and he was a biblical scholar that was one of the guys that was assigned to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is the oldest version of the Bible. Yes.

The only one I think that they've ever found. It's written in Aramaic, and it was found in Qumran and these clay jars, and it's all written on animal skins to decipher it. They actually had to run DNA tests on the animal skins to figure out which skins belong to which animals so they could put all the stuff together to figure out, like, all these pieces were a part of this one scroll. Yeah. Well, this guy, John Marco Allegro, studied it for 14 years,

and it was his conclusion after he was done that the entire Christian religion was a giant misunderstanding. And what it was originally about was the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. And they started doing all of these, about was the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. And they started doing all of these different scholars who studied ancient art and ancient religious art. They started finding this mushroom iconography and all this ancient artwork. And one of the things they noticed is that the bottom of a mushroom, if you take particularly

the Amanita muscaria mushroom, which is the one that they connect to the Christian religion, look at the bottom of a mushroom, if you take particularly the Amanita muscaria mushroom, which is the one that they connect to the Christian religion. Look at the bottom of it and see what it looks like with all those lines. Now, look at that. That was the original halo. If you see that picture with Jesus with the halo around his head, the halo was essentially the bottom of a mushroom cap. And the idea, they believe, was that these people were the ones that were consuming the psychedelic mushrooms

so they had this great wisdom and this connection to God. That's what they thought mana was. They thought these psychedelic mushrooms were the flesh of God. I like that. Yeah. And so that when you have these ancient religions

that were possibly based on the consumptions of these psychedelic mushrooms, all that stuff has kind of been lost in the translation over years and years and years, and then even the visualization of the halos changed. And there's also some really crazy ones of naked people dancing in ecstasy, surrounded by this translucent mushroom image so the idea that they were in these mushroom induced euphoric states and that they were dancing around these all these religious depictions yeah very interesting because if you think about

ancient religions right no no science they had no idea what shape the world was they didn't know anything but they did know if you found these mushrooms and you took them, you'd trip your fucking balls off. Right. And you would have this incredible experience. And they thought that was God. That was their connection to God. That's interesting. Yeah.

It's a great book, and the Catholic Church actually bought it out. And they got rid of it. And then you could only buy used copies of it, but then it was republished recently. Over the last few years, someone got the rights to it. That's interesting. It's intense stuff. Yeah, I like that conversation.

That's sexy. Anything that goes away from the norm, I think is real sexy. It needs to be talked about. Speaking of sexy, see that woman that be talked about you know speaking of sexy to that woman that accused trump rape she said that she was talking about rape being sexy yes and anderson cooper's like we'll be right back cut the commercial what yeah she's a loony bin well she seems like she might be medicated yeah you can definitely tell there's something off there yeah maybe maybe

she's super nervous being on television too that's also i don't know it's hard to figure out how people are when you see them on television because i i like to consider myself a good judge of character she's off her rocker she seems off her rocker i don't know her in person though i mean some people really do have panic attacks when that camera's on, that white light, and they're in the CNN studios, and then it just comes out weird. And then they're like, what the fuck was wrong with me? Right, right. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that.

I don't think in her case. I think she's just really like. Do you think she's trying to sell a book? She's trying to sell something. She definitely wants some attention. You know, but Teflon Don, she can't do nothing with Teflon Don. It is crazy how he's been able to shake everything off. Like, everything.

If you stand ten toes down, he can't do nothing to you. That's why I keep saying, like, don't worry about these tech companies. Stand ten toes down. Stand ten toes down? Yeah. What does that mean? Stand on your foot, man. It's like, you know, stand your ground.

You know, don't waver just because somebody says something. You know, I get criticized a lot online. And my response is I said what I said. You know, I'll infuriate the left and I'll infuriate the right. And the right will feel like, well, last week you were pro-Trump and now you're saying something that's different. It's like, and? Well, you got the most shit, I think, for that Starbucks video. The Starbucks video was hilarious.

Thank you. When you walked into Starbucks and you said, I hear you guys are racist. I'm here to get my free Starbucks. And that lady was like, okay. Amanda. Shout out to Amanda. Shout out to Amanda. She's like, yeah, I heard i heard that hold on i'll get

your coffee it's like i didn't know you could just give away coffee you work at starbucks but i guess she just did i manifested that where was that that was uh new jersey uh woodbury commons more i think that's hilarious yeah but you know like i manifested that and you can go look at that the tweet two weeks before said, I said, uh, if you want to be on mainstream media, pretend to be a liberal. Then I also said,

I said to my followers, I said, can y'all get me on Fox news? The next week I pulled this stunt and then got on Fox news. Now, when they had you on Fox news, what was the premise? What were they going to talk?

What'd they say? It's one of the story. There's one, right? There's one, some, it's one of some did they say? They just wanted a story. They just wanted some. They just wanted some shit for people to laugh at. And they also probably wanted a little bit of potential outrage. Like, look at this guy asking for coffee reparations. Yeah, you got a black guy who's asking for reparations. They kind of like that.

Especially when it's spoofing the left. So, you know, they kind of wanted to weaponize me. Yeah. So, yeah, there's a lot of that. I thought it was funny. I thought it was hilarious i thought it's hilarious you were very friendly about it you know it was like you were being angry or anything did you have your son with you or someone too yeah my boys the whole family was with me that's funny man

yeah yeah my son didn't he was like i told him i might go here and get free coffee he's like yeah right ah it's like your dad's really about to pull this off You had a debate recently About reparations with CJ Pearson Yes that young guy He's an interesting guy Very intelligent and articulate Fellow Isn't he like 19 years old or something like that

16 Is he really only 16 Really I thought he was older than that. He writes for Quillette and... Is he really only 16? Yeah. C.J. Pearson, is that what it is?

Yeah. Find out how old he is. That seems crazy. He's got great... Does it say he's 16? Wow. He's got fucking smart as shit. No, he's not.

What? No, he's not. Why do you think he's not smart? He's not smart. Smart people create things. Stupid people things stupid people he's fucking 16 you don't think he's got an exceptional vocabulary and ability to express himself at 16 and what does that mean it means you got something going on i don't mean shit it doesn't mean shit an exceptional vote you speak in absolute sometimes what is what is vocabulary mean you memorize some words well you have use of them at access, instantaneous access.

That means they're in your mind all the time, which means you've done a lot of reading, which means you've done a lot of studying, which means you have a command of the English language, which was the only thing that we have if you speak English that you can use to express your intent. Right. And Orwell talks about these political types who sound very educated. He says it. They sound very educated on America. And then when you break down what they actually said, it's so very vague. It's so very nonspecific. There's actually no solutions.

You know, all they do is talk about problems. What is your platform, C.J. Pearson? Candace Owens, what is your platform? Is your platform, I hate Democrats? Or is your platform cj pearson candace owens what is your platform is your platform i hate democrats or is your platform i want something for the people because it seems like when you watch these people they're all saying the same thing for clicks like i told you my homeboy makes all that money on facebook he's doing the candace owens and cj pearson thing for money but are they the same they're not they don't have the same ideology cj pearsons and candace owens they're cut from the same cloth you think so they they the same? They're not. They don't have the same ideology. C.J. Pearson's and Candace Owens.

They're cut from the same cloth. You think so? They're the same person. He's the younger version. I heard him speak on the Sam Harris show. I believe it was him. Right. Was it him?

C.J. C.J. Google that. C.J. Pearson on Sam. I'm pretty sure it's the same cat. And I was very impressed, especially with someone his age. Yeah. I mean, he talks very well.

That's hard to do. You know, here in the United States of America. Oh, it's not him. I mean, I typed both their names and nothing. Okay, maybe it's a different dude. They have pre-planned catchphrases. Pre-planned catchphrases. You're learning.

You're just learning another language. And that's what he's speaking, that language. There's no dig on him. That's low, bro. There's no dig on him.'s that's low bro you know i see what i see what you're saying so you're saying that they have this sort of ideology that you're subscribing to this predetermined pattern of behavior they know what works and then they just follow it sort of like a top 40 dj talks there you go right right you know like what what has what new thought has he created i don't know he hasn't he hasn't i just listened

to that debate and um it's a conversation that i think is a fascinating one the conversation of reparations because there can be no doubt that something horrible happened to the black community and they're still suffering from it especially in the deep south when you look at these places where the people who lived are the direct descendants of slaves yeah and then these are the same impoverished neighborhoods that no one's ever done anything to try to fix. Right. So how do you fix it? You first have to start with the subconscious mind of the black mind.

The problem with the black mind is the fact that the black mind starts off with a defeatist mentality. From the day you're born, you're taught the white man's out to get you. So you start off with a boogeyman and then um you're taught that you're a slave right uh so when your subconscious mind believes that the beginnings of your race is a slave how do you aspire to be more than that so in order to correct a black community you have to teach black history or so-called black history or what i would say african history in chronological order before we were slaves we were kings so how do you how do you have a whole entire nation of 40 some odd million black people and majority of them never heard of queen angola who never heard of the songhai empire the mali empire you know none of

this stuff right king masamosa how do you how do you how do you raise the people's level of awareness about this stuff and how do you elevate them to want to do things in life when they think they are a slave that's the first thing that you have to do to help black people you have to teach them who they are that expression before they were slaves they were kings the problem with that is a king is a, and a monarch is one person who controls giant groups of people. You can't have a bunch of kings. There's not a lot of kings. You can't have a nation of kings.

Correct. But that's very different from saying, you know, we had four kings, right? Let's say there were just four, right? That's better than saying Harry Tubman, Frederick Douglass, and these free slaves, right? You actually have to see at least one king i see what you're saying you know at least say so see one advanced human being that also looks like you that came from the same part of the world where your ancestors came from so recognize that the trajectory that you and your family are on is a direct result of being enslaved.

Someone was enslaved in the past and brought over here against their will. That's why there's the negative mindset. That's why there's a negative self-image is because there's this great history of oppression. Yeah, yeah. You know, when you think you are a slave, you can't operate outside of that. And even if you don't think you're a slave, you think you're inferior. Do you know who Miss Pat is no hilarious comedian one of the funniest human beings alive and she was here and one thing she was talking about is when she was younger that when she would see white people she wouldn't look them in the eye she

would get nervous she felt inferior being around them she just wanted to get away she didn't feel like she belonged right right and that's a product of not knowing who you are not knowing your own personal power you know when you look at the second punic war is a carthage you had hannibal went through the alps which is a mission impossible and he went all the way to the to the doors of rome and rome said yo we ain't coming outside to fight you bro we ain't coming that to fight you, bro. We ain't coming. That's how strong the power for the army was. They said we don't want to fight. They knew if they came outside those gates, they would get their ass whooped.

So how do you how do you have a people that walk around not knowing that Hannibal Barker is a well studied war general today? Barker is a well-studied war general. Today, the Pentagon still studies him. Right. So how do you how are you operating in America as a black person and not know who Hannibal Barker is? Well, it's difficult, I think, for people that were born in America and all their known ancestors from America to even relate. Like I'm my family is mostly from Italy and Sicily and some of them from Ireland. I don't relate at all.

I visit Italy in the summer times. I don't relate at all. Right. So then the other the other side is the fact that we were the natives. We were not brought here on slave ships. That's not economically sound. What do you mean? So when Christopher Columbus gotumbus got here wanted to christopher columbus got to the caribbean according to primary source right they basically said the

first thing he did was take slaves he didn't bring slaves he took slaves from the island he captured people so when you have colonization you gotta remember the united states has only built 13 colonies at first right you think this whole land was empty no there were natives here right but today we're taught that natives are some other people no natives are the melanated african being that has come here since the the the beginning of the mali empire we're talking about uh 14 13th century we had already come here from africa really oh yeah yeah we had already come here to the united states or to this landmass this landmass we call the united states so the way the the ocean current works is it works uh from africa leaves out of uh west africa comes to south america and the caribbean that's just how

the currents go you don't need no paddle boat or nothing it's just the currents to take you there and then you travel up but we had already been here All you got to do is look up the story of Sarah Rector. Sarah Rector is a wealthy so-called Native American. I think she was a Choctaw tribe or one of these tribes, but she was wealthy and she wanted to be a pass to go somewhere. And they had her classified as a free person. and um they had her classified as a free person why don't we know about the wealthy so-called black people in america why don't we know that there were black slave owners in america why is that not taught why is it not how many black slave owners were man this did the natives here had slaves they were trading slaves with the so-called white man well they definitely did that natives enslaved people of other tribes right so if those if those

people are us the so-called black man if those natives were us then we have to tell that history and say how we did have territories and we did you know carry out commerce and we weren't slaves we were slave owners well but the majority of african americans that lived here were brought over here no no no that's not economically sound what do you mean by it's not economically sound like there were slave ships right all right let's say you wanted to have uh you wanted to sell marijuana right right would you uh import marijuana would you grow it here if it's already here well it depends on whether or not marijuana grew here well can you grow marijuana here you can but we're just talking about marijuana like what if we're talking about something that you can't grow here so so what i'm saying is people were already here does it make

sense to go all the way to this other continent to bring people on a boat when we know that half of your stock is going to die you wouldn't do that so how many people do you think were brought over from africa on slave ships because that definitely happened uh i don't believe it what do you mean you don't believe it i don't believe that story you don't believe that africans were brought over on slave ships correct i believe it may have happened you know maybe people were brought over as slaves but i don't think that the black people in america came from africa on slave ships i believe the people that were here were slowly conquered first they got the east coast and then they started spreading out west little by little conquering and when you conquer a tribe what do you do you enslave them they're pow's

right okay that's what you do so you after you conquer this tribe you you you make them slaves now how do you conquer the natives here so let's say you got this tribe is worn against this tribe well this tribe goes talk to the white man my man says yo if you help me wipe out these people then boom you know i'll help you with whatever whatever so they get together and they wipe out this other tribe now guess what the white man now outnumbers this tribe so he wipes them out you just kill two birds with one stone you just keep moving like that but i'm still confused there's a great history of slave ships being brought over from africa with africans that became slaves and worked in the south do you think that's lies history is his story right what about my story

is my story not valid but if you do 23 and me on someone from these parts of the country you'll find out 23 and me that's real so so what is 23 and me so when i when i when i take a 23 and me test right yes what's it going to tell me about africa that's a good question we should find out probably gonna say one oh you're from kenya or you're from angola you're from this right right these things these borders were created by europe in terms yes right in terms of like what parts of africa and how it's distributed and what's a country and what's not a country yeah these africaners and dutch yeah okay yeah so you can't classify me based upon a european name i understand that but they're saying geographically geographic location you can call it whatever name

you want right they can tell you where your genetics originated like i've got some weird shit in me i got like one percent asian i don't know why it's there 1.6 percent african okay there's also weird stuff that you find in your dna that like your ancestors and ancestors ancestors so let's walk down that path right so either way if you take black people here in america and you do their dna sample and it point back to africa what does that say says black people in america are africans now the argument is were we brought here or were we already here did we bring ourselves here or the white man bring us here you see when you say the white man brought us here what you're doing is you're removing our ability

to transport ourselves. You're saying, oh, we didn't know anything about boats. That's what you're trying to tell me. You're trying to tell me that we didn't know that there was a landmass here. Only the holy white man knew there was land to the west. But when you look at the holy white man, he said, when we got here, we met black people.

Go look at the primary source. We got here, we met black people. When we got to Caribbean, we met black people. You think the Caribbean is right next to America and they weren't in America? That's interesting. Does it make any sense? Well, it makes sense that you do have people that have traveled, whether it's Polynesians that traveled to Hawaii or people. I mean, there's the Olmecs who were thousands and thousands of years ago in South America.

They have purely clearly African faces. Yes. I mean, really, the noses, the lips, I mean, they look African. Right. And that was a South American culture that existed. And we don't know anything about them other than the fact that they have these gigantic stone sculptures that have African faces. Well, like again, just go to – have you been able to pull up the ocean currents? No, I've seen that.

You've seen that, man. Do you know who Graham Hancock is? I've heard about him, yeah. Read his stuff. It's really fascinating because he's all about that. He's all about the fact that the idea that human beings were probably living in advanced civilizations far longer than 14 000 years ago and they did travel all over the world and that you do find the remnants of these ancient cultures that we have no explanation for throughout the amazon

you know and throughout different parts of of uh south america and central amer I mean, when you go and you look at real European history, you had the Magyars would believe that if they took a bath, that was bad. They didn't even want to change their clothes. They thought that dirty was purity. When we talk about the Moors going into Spain and into Europe, into Spain and into Europe the stories in the history our history says that when we met the so-called Caucasian he was sleeping in the barn with the animals and we told him no you can't sleep in the barn with animals we taught them etiquette we taught them running water we brought that technology to Europe now if we brought the technology to Europe that saved Europe from the Black Plague, you mean to tell me that if we save the white race, that we weren't already in America already? When we brought the technology, when Rome was dependent on Africa for food. Remember when the Black Plague hit Rome, the cause was one of the officials was stealing the grain that was coming from Africa.

So there was famine hit Rome. If your source of sustenance is from Africa. How are you superior? You're not. You get your food from me. So if you get your food from me, if you get your food from me who's more likely to travel this globe me i'm the source of food and that's the first thing you need to survive on this planet so if your whole civilization is depending me to plot to depending on me to supply food i made it to america first it's just that you won the war you got to tell the story is that their only source of food i mean it's a source of food that rome had right but rome is also very close to africa well let's talk about that what kinds of food did they have well i don't know it's a very rudimentary it was a very

rudimentary uh civilization it wasn't all uh what is cracked up to be when you go look at what the greeks said about egypt when they go into egypt it's like, yo, it's like the New York City of that time. The ultimate. If you really want to talk about African civilization being advanced, Egypt is the ultimate. Because Egypt to this day is still unexplained. No one really understands how they built those things. No one understands how old the culture is. That's another thing that Graham Hancock and and dr robert shock from boston university

who's a geologist he's pointing to water erosion and the the temple of the sphinx that leads you to believe that that place might have been as old as 9 000 plus bc so it absolutely is yeah well if not older you know going back to pharaoh ramses there's also different styles of architecture right there's older styles of architecture they find deeper in the sand. They think it might have been indicative of an earlier kingdom. And then there's also the Nubian structures of some of the faces, particularly the Sphinx. The Sphinx, they believe, had a lion's face. And then when they were conquered by the Nubians, they changed the actual structure of the face of the Sphinx and turned it into a king's face.

Well, the way it was taught to me was that it is upper and lower Egypt. So upper Egypt is actually our new south, right? That's our south. And the way it was taught to me was that was the mind of Egypt. And the economic section of Egypt was what we see, Giza pyramids. And it's economic because if you look at it, it sits between three continents on the Mediterranean Sea. So it's a perfect place to carry out commerce. It's the perfect place.

That's why everybody wants to be there. That's why there's a war in the Middle East because it's the perfect place to be. So do you believe that some Africans came over here in slave ships or none? Very minimal. Very minimal. Really? Very minimal. So you think it's a myth?

Almost. Now, does there any scholars that support these opinions? Are these your opinions? Where are you getting this from? So here's the thing. This is stuff I've studied probably close to 15 years ago. So I don't remember a lot of my sources or who I learned it from but i can give you a couple names what you got to do is you got to look up shaka akmos you got to look up dr kaba kameen dr phil valentine bobby hemmett uh who else is a good egyptologist uh shaka akmos is a real good egyptologist i think you should start there with shaka akmos but um these are these are videos i used to watch and lectures i used to watch back in the day now i focus on like startups and that's where my brain is that's where my knowledge is focused on right but a lot of this stuff comes from my own common sense it just does not make sense logistically to take people from all the way

from over there to bring them here especially when half your stock is going to die when you got people right here you have human resources right here all i gotta do is pop them shoot a couple of them the rest of them are like all right fine and you enslave them and none of them die except for the ones i actually killed right i got a whole millions of people right here like why would i go all the crate all the way across the ocean to bring people back across the ocean it just doesn't make sense. It's just stupid. Nobody would run a business like that. What's up, Jamie? PBS? The title was How Many Slaves Landed in the U.S.? Mm-hmm.

Well, scroll that up. Scroll that up so I can read that whole thing. Okay. Right to there. Perhaps you, like me, were raised essentially to think of the slave experience primarily in terms of our black ancestors here in the United States. In other words, slavery is primarily about us, right from the

Crispus attacks and Philip Wheatley, Benjamin Banneker, and Richard Allen, all the way to Harriet Tubman, Sojourn Truth, and Frederick Douglass. Think of it as an instance we might think of as African-American exceptionalism. In other words, it is the black experience.

It's got to be about black Americans. Well, black Americans will think again. The most comprehensive analysis of shipping records over the course of slave trade is the Transatlantic Slave Trade Database edited by professors David Eltis and David Richardson. While the editors are careful to say that all the figures are estimates, they believe that the best estimates that we have, the proverbial gold standard in the field, the study of the slave trade between 1525 and 1866, in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Transatlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5

million Africans were shipped to the new world 10.7 million survived the dreaded middle passage disembarking in north america the caribbean and south america how many of those 10.7 million africans were shipped directly to north america only about 388 000 that's right a tiny percentage so a small percentage of all the Africans that were enslaved were actually shipped to North America. That's probably closer to truth. They didn't come from Africa, bro. That don't make no sense. Nobody would run a business like that.

Well, they're saying that a lot of people did, though. That's 10.7 million people. Came on boats? That's what they're saying. I don't know if that means that they necessarily came here. They could have been going to Europe. They could have been going to the Caribbean. They were saying that it was in Caribbean.

The slave trade does not have to come from Africa. I can trade with you right here in America. But was it? It said directly to North America is only under 400,000. Right. Involved in the shipping and going all over the world. It could be going anywhere. But from Africa, correct?

That's less than 10%. African shipped, yes. That's less than 10%. African shipped, yes. Right. That's less than 10%. Less than 10% in North America, but 10.7 million Africans enslaved and moved. Yeah, 10.7 survived, right?

Were shipped, but it didn't say where they were shipped. It says to the New World. The New World is very rubbish area. And only 388,000 actually made it

to North America. I could trade from Haiti or Jamaica or South America. Right. So you think that there was probably already a significant population of Africans that were seabearing that made it all the way over here. Yes. Well, if you listen to the words of Hancock and the discussion of prehistoric, what we would consider prehistoric use of boats and ships. It's probably likely. Look at ancient Egypt.

Don't you see pictures of boats? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So they would bury them. What is the big science museum in L.A. that had the Egypt exhibit really recently? It's fucking incredible. They had a depiction of the boats that they used yeah i mean they had boats for sure they definitely traveled so so how can

you tell me that a civilization had boats before europe was literate didn't come to america didn't set up shop it's just not common i mean just i don't need to read a book to understand that up shop it's just not common i mean just i don't need to read a book to understand that but definitely makes sense if they made it to south america i mean if the olmecs were i mean if you look at you pull up a an image of uh the olmec heads this is heavily disputed john henry clark is the author you should study john henry clark has a book they come before columbus i mean look at that look at these olmec heads. They all looked like that. That's South America. Yeah.

It's kind of amazing. There has to be a large population of people in order to create these things. It has to be advanced. So if they're here already in South America, why are you going to go across the sea when you got people right here? You're just enslaved. South America is connected to America. You think we didn't come up north? You think we didn't take that warop right that's just common sense well particularly when they're

finding all this evidence of people that were here thousands and thousands of years before they ever thought people were yeah man or the evidence in the grand canyon from egypt what i don't know about that what's that is uh you heard about that part of it yeah yes there might be some gold down there is Is this Egyptian gold in the Grand Canyon? Hey, hey. Imagine if they found a fucking Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon. There's Egyptian stuff that's been found in Ohio. What?

Yeah. I was looking some stuff up, but Graham was telling me, I went home and looked up the serpent mound stuff, and right up the road from where the serpent mound is, there's been a couple artifacts found there, like 100 years ago. Egyptian artifacts. They're called m mounds pull that up yeah there's mounds in america which yeah supposed to be like pyramids or whatever so there's even an egypt ohio i don't think it's named after that but it's literally like in the same spot wow yeah i don't yeah yeah this this

this history of human travel is fucking fascinating circum We've circumnavigated this globe before, man. This isn't new stuff. It's new to Europe. It wasn't new to the African race, man. We've been here. They got the mounds, the archaeological evidence from Egypt and the Grand Canyon. It's right there. See, I've never heard that before.

That is interesting. Archaeological evidence in the Grand Canyon. Because it's not part of his story. He's got to keep you thinking he's got to keep the black people thinking you were slaves and you came from africa on boats that's what they got to keep you thinking but you really think that there's some sort of a grand conspiracy to withhold information yeah universities scholars all these people that are talking about the history of the world universities are indoctrination centers still the worst thing you could do is send a child to college unless they're going to learn

a hard science you know when you go to wait a minute you think gender studies is bullshit of course it's wait a minute what are you saying these make-believe degrees gender studies bro serious stuff yeah gender study you know there's it's a social construct i stand i study gender in the bedroom with my girl that's why i study gender okay and no such thing as no gender studies in school tell me but there is you're gonna pay for it and you'd be in debt for studying gender studies you get a fat degree yeah do you uh do you find anything about egyptian when i found it i was down a deep hole So I can't just find it that way

I sent it to somebody I'll find it in a second They bury it I just found the picture Pull it up Let me see some shit This is the Hotep's got to get his glasses on

We're getting serious This is the good stuff, man Look at his head You see his head right there yes that's not nappy hair um well that's a thai buddha so that's not his hair oh i think those are braids this was like an ornament who wears braids a lot of people including the romans oh like what is this this is a draw this is from an old book that's why i was telling you it's really old this is a drawing of all the inscriptions that were found on this piece of stone.

And a lot of these are like hieroglyphs and whatnot. See, a Ten Commandments. Somewhere around here is the thing that looks just like that serpent from the mound that's in Ohio. Wow. Yeah. I forget what it's actually called. It's not necessarily Egyptian, but it's certainly fascinating. Yeah, it might not be Egyptian necessarily, but when I found it, that's what it was tagged as.

It could be just from that time period or very similar, but again— That says the Pennsylvania archaeology? This is what the book is found from. Oh, okay. That's how I got to it. Yeah, I'd never seen this before, but there's some archaeological evidence on the walls, like you said. A lot of people don't even know that Egypt's in Africa. That's hilarious.

When you start talking to people about African culture, Egypt is Africa. Why don't they want the seven wonders of the world to be associated with Africa? Well, because Africa is a continent, I guess. They think of it in terms of – because Egypt is so unbelievably unique globally. There's nothing like it in the world. We know Stonehenge is in Europe. Yeah. But Stonehenge is clunky in comparison to the shit that you find in Egypt.

Oh, yeah, it is. But they still pop up. Stonehenge, like it's some great thing. You know, it's in Europe. Yeah. Stonehenge is fascinating. Right. It's fascinating.

Like, hmm, why'd they do this? There's a lot of shit in europe too they're finding now with lidar where they're using this uh they're they can map into the ground and find these structures and roads and pathways that existed and it's the long since been reclaimed by nature yeah you're finding that like this was one of the graham hancock things that he was talking about how you look at south america when they're going through the amazon you're finding these incredible structures and incredible roadways and irrigations. And that they believe that at one point in time,

there was a civilization of 20 million people living in the Amazon. And that when the European settlers came over, they brought smallpox and wiped everybody out. Boom. Yeah. Boom. Just like they did with the native Americans. That's the other thing that people don't know.

When they talk about native American genocide, the vast majority is disease.'s disease yeah so when people say oh you know the white man came over here with violence i'm like no i don't know if he was that violent i don't think he had enough bullets to kill that many people they killed 90 with disease with straight disease man which is fucking crazy so where did disease come from europe dirty people so so how can the streets so how can you tell me that, you know, I'm just a slave, right? When the filth, the degeneration of Europe is what came to America. Greatness didn't come to America.

Degeneration came to America. Well, some greatness did too. I mean, when we talk about the people that came here, they were escaping the oppression of. Yes. Europe. They were the undesirables in Europe. Right. Or the people try to get away from religious persecution. Right.

Things like that. Yeah. But these were the dregs of the society. Right. In many ways. Yeah. Yeah. So you come here and you're dirty and you infect the people.

And maybe now that's why you got to go to advocate. Because you killed everybody over here. Because that's why you got to go to advocate because you killed everybody over here. Because everybody's dead. What, what, if you had to,

like if you were speaking in front of Congress and you were talking about reparations, what would you have to say? Keep the conversation going. Open up the conversation. Let's get more minds involved.

Don't shoot it down uh and dems must pay you know i got the hashtag going dems must pay why dems uh because it's a great start number one so you know when we had the debate with cj pearson he said you know in his rant you know he went off about that and he said if anything the dems should pay it's the liberals because they had the kkk they had they owned slavery they ran a slave trade so it's like well if that's the case then why don't we make them pay the other thing is you know if you're conservative and you you know you're having this uh elect election race or whatever why don't you just take the wild card away from them you know from the left and say well yeah you

know if there is a reparations conversation you know know, that was the Democrats. That was the Dixiecrats that installed black codes in South Carolina. They're the ones that that's an interesting conversation. Right. When you say that. Yeah. Wait, what? Actually, the Democrats are responsible. Yeah. You had the thing called black codes. And if you were considered black, then you didn't't have rights the funny thing is you could be technically african and be white white isn't a color it's a status elon musk what do you mean it's from africa is he yep well i knew that but he's not an african well he was born in africa but he's not an african south african but. So when we do his 23andMe, what is his name?

Probably Dutch or something. Oh, dang. Something from Europe. Okay. Yes. You know what I'm saying? But there's white people that their lineage historically is from Africa? I'm sure.

Well, I mean, the Sephardic people that lived in Northern Africa, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Where it's considered more Middle East. Right, right, right. You can see some of that absolutely but these people aren't the african right people come from turkey right right they come from kiev russia you know that's where they come from they migrated into africa

that's not where they from right their bodies aren't even biologically conducive to that environment you know i'm not conducive to the new york environment white folks who is exactly but white folks is running down the street with shorts and i'm just like yo i need a jacket but there's definitely a biological difference there that we got to recognize but let's just know where we came from yeah you know um yeah i don't know it's it's a lot to this conversation there's a lot to this conversation but it's so heavily weighted people don't want to be objective about it right what's up the thing i found about the egyptians in ohio was actually from a paper that was written it's it's postulating

it i guess they took a lot of the evidence that had they had been finding and saying this shows that there might have actually been egyptians there's from 1937? That's when the guy was, I think, born. This is 40 years ago. Oh, wow. That amulet was brass, apparently, and it was found near Cincinnati. And where I actually think it might have been trading, trade routes, because there was some, like, stones that have been found in various parts of the world that are from specifically Ohio

because it's like a rainbow shale that was used in, like, arrowheads and stuff a long, long time ago. That area was used to make weapons, like first like 12 000 years ago when the first people were kind of in north america but that area in ohio also is known as the sandstone capital of the world and i don't know if that's related to the egyptians because that's what the pyramids are made out of you know there's tons of sandstone that is very specific to that region. Pyramids made out of sandstone? I thought so. Yeah, I've heard this.

There's 21, from 1800 to 1980, 21 times the amount of sandstone that made the Great Pyramid was shipped out of Ohio to make various buildings all over the world. Really? Most of them in the United States, obviously, but all over the place. Just weird facts I found after Graham came through. The history of the humans. We don't know history. We know some.

The only history that we know is the one we go discover on our own time. The one that's presented to us is not history. It's all lies. Well, it's not all lies. All of it. There's some lies. I found that too. Lost civilization in Grand Canyon was, wait, Egyptian?

The Smithsonian published some stuff in 1909 i guess that where all this came from there was an article that got written and i don't know how much of it they proved or was proven or it was just newspaper it's like bait back in the day even more amazing the artifacts didn't match up to anything on the known record rather than appearing to be of native american origin as one might expect the object had distinct egyptian or tibetan designs could there have been an entire civilization of egyptians living here if so how did they get here it's not that hard hop in the boat man you got cats that leave africa and try to come to spain or these places or a chicken

yeah yeah it is interesting right like the population of cuba cuba is so insanely diverse and it's right there like what is the history of that other than the slave routes like what is the history of cuba because cuba is very distinct african people living there. The whole Caribbean, all that whole area has a lot of African roots to it. But it's just a place that was conquered by the Spain, by the Corteses, those type of people. What really disturbs me is there's no way to know exactly what happened. It's like you're piecing things together based on artifacts and historical record things that people wrote down and journals and logs and well there's people that have traveled so again i've studied it so long ago but i remember reading primary source

from somebody that traveled with cristobal colón aka christopher columbus and he was saying very specific things about his accounts when he reached these different places Christopher Columbus and he was saying very specific things about his accounts when he reached these different places you know and he was saying things like we got to the land and we found Africans and I remember him specifically saying uh so no matter where we go we find Africans and he said it as if he was disappointed and then they started talking about like you know this is they started talking about their culture and describing their culture you just got to go look at the people that travel with crystal ball cologne and there's some first-hand accounts there and they're very honest about it you know dude i'm gonna look into that now that's a very interesting i'm gonna ask

graham about that too what he knows about it he's studied uh i mean especially on his latest book, he studied a lot about the various cultures that made it to North America and South America. Okay. Yeah. This is very rich in history. Very, very rich in history. I got to wrap this up, but thanks for coming, man. I had a great time talking to you. Tell everybody it's Vibe High on HI on Twitter.

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