The Joe Rogan Experience - #1322 - Reggie Watts

Episode Date: July 9, 2019

Reggie Watts is a musician, singer, beatboxer, actor, and comedian. His improvised musical sets are created using only his voice, a keyboard, and a looping machine. He is also currently the announcer and band leader on The Late Late Show with James Corden.

Oh yeah, that's all he is. Boom, and we're live. That's it. Hi. Hello, Richie. Yeah, this stuff, Purple Venom. That's what he calls it? That's what his friend calls it. And yeah, his friend's like, you know, pretty skeptical about other people's stuff.

Dude, do you have a Coke nail? Is that a Coke nail? No. The left one? No, I know. They're super long. People think that they're Coke nails. Are they fake? No.

They're real. But you don't do Coke? I don't do Coke. Ever? Have you ever done Coke? I do Coke Zero. Are they fake? No. They're real. But you don't do Coke? I don't do Coke. Ever? Have you ever done Coke? I may do Coke Zero. I have done. It's like Coke light.

It looks like Coke. You can snort it. It feels like Coke, but it doesn't give you high. No, I have. I've tried it, I would say, honestly, maybe four times. And I've never – it's always – it just felt like I just took three shots of espresso. And it's not really – it doesn't do anything for me that I'm like, I better invest in that. I need to try it one day because I just – I need to know what's going on.

I'm 51 years old. How do I – I don't know what coke is. I think it's worth – I mean if you don't have a predisposition for being a hyper-addictive personality type. Oh, I definitely do. But I'm also wise enough to know yeah i mean i can quit things yeah you've got experience you can control yourself but like i allegedly i was never i was never like i guess i've just never been someone who's like oh shit gotta have that forever like i've never been that way the only thing that i'm reduced to now is just weed that's it well me too. But I also think that it's one of those things.

If you're, if your life is healthy, if you have a good balance and you're enjoying your time and you're being creative and you have good friends and you have fun, you're not looking for something to fuck your life up. I think many of the times when you're dealing with people that have like severe debilitating addictions that are really just taking over their life, there's something else going on. Almost always. It's like problems. Relationship problems, work problems, life problems. They're not happy.

There's an emptiness. There's an emptiness that wants to be fed. Or maybe you have a lot of success and you're freaking out about the success. I think that happens with some celebrities. Yes, I think so. Yeah, overstimulation. Spark that bitch up.

Let's do this. Oh, yeah, let's do it. Yeah, here it is. Here you can have the first. I used an automated machine. The auto, have you heard of it? No. So cool.

It's like this little. Grinder and a. It's a grinder and it fits on a tube that you put an empty rolling thing in there. So you put that in there. Oh, you got it. And then it's like a clear tube. You put in the pre-rolled, you know, empty whatever joint thing. And then you put this machine that just goes over, attaches magnetically.

And then you put in your weed and you just press a button. And it's like coffee makers. Like. And it fills it up perfectly. And then you just pack it by shaking it and twisting it. And you're done. These goddamn stoners today. They're getting too crazy.

I know. I rarely smoke. I always make exceptions for stuff like this. rarely oh look at it yeah wow that's actually pretty sleek looking yeah it's by banana brothers i think you know i i smoke pretty regularly but um i i got high with be real i did uh this smoke box show oh i'm like okay i'm I'm going to fuck you. Who's Be Real? Cypress Hill. Oh, Cypress Hill. I apologize.

Who's Be Real? Just so you know, I know nothing about hip-hop. Goddamn, Reggie. How do you not know anything about Cypress Hill? I know. I know. People are always like, you got to know about hip-hop. I'm like, I know.

Shit. I know Run DMC. You really don't know any hip-hop? No. I kind of stopped after the Bohemian phase. You know, like after Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul. It just kind of lost me because then it turned into... I liked Gangster in the beginning, you know, because it was something new.

And you're like, what the fuck is this? Oh, that's so cool. But then it kind of morphed into Club Hop, where it just was all about bitches and cars and all that shit. And it was really the lyrics, the beats I loved. I thought it was cool, but i just got tired of it i mean i because i left in 95 i left hip-hop in 95 96 and then i know there's plenty of hip-hop heads that'll be like dude you gotta check out so you gotta check out i know there's shit loads of shit and maybe i'll go back into that phase but mostly i just like the the beats and the production and the lyrics I'm not really. I'm not a lyrics guy anyways.

I am a lyrics guy and Nas is definitely my favorite lyricist because his stuff is so creative. What was that one where he did everything backwards, did the whole song backwards? He started at the end and then what the fuck was that called? James, can I Google it? Rewind? Yeah.

I mean, super creative. I mean, made you look, got me. Yeah. Made you look like, i saw that and i was like that was actually a moment where i was like oh am i gonna am i gonna start getting back into this shit because yeah because it was intelligent yeah um you know what i mean like my thing is like if you're gonna be boastful and all that shit it should be like muhammad ali right right right you're super clever yeah clever flair also you can just be right in someone's face but i like that

but then when people are like kind of going off about how much money they have and all that shit, I'm like, I don't really care about that. Well, I've analyzed this many times while under the influence. The culture, it comes from not having something, and then once you have something, brag about it, right? That's like Jay-Z. That's 99 Problems. He talks about that in 99 Problems. Yeah, I mean, I get it. I get it.

But like at the same time, if it just sounds like basically the three things that everyone talks about, which is like women, cars of some sort, and money, or the things you can buy with money, after a while, it just all bleeds together. It's all the same song. And I mean, it's so dope that you can come from nothing and you can work your way up and you can hustle and you can get stuff going in. But once you get to that place, why not take advantage of that platform? What about Run the Jewels? I've heard good things about it. How dare you?

Chance the Rapper, I've heard good things about it. God damn. I know. I don't know shit, man. I'm more of like a- Run the Jewels is so creative. I'm an electronic guy. I like electronic music.

Let me turn you on to some Run the Jewels. Please. I wish we could play it on the podcast, but we can't do that anymore. You'd run your jewels, man. Yeah, they will run your jewels right out of town. But back in the day when you had, like the internet was, no one knew what a podcast was. You could do all kinds of shit. You could just play things.

I mean, you still can. I mean, if it was live stream, you could. You get taken down. You get demonetized. You get a strike against You get demonetized. You get a strike against your channel. If you get three strikes, they take your channel down permanently. It's all super sketchy. Oh, are you using YouTube?

Yes. Okay. That's the real problem. YouTube's the real problem. I'm bypassing all that very soon. What are you doing? I'm just doing my own live streaming thing. That's smart.

Yeah, because that way I just don't have to worry about all that bullshit. Yeah. Ultimately, that's where it's probably gonna have to go yes but but at the same time everybody's at youtube yeah so so the the secret is or the question is like how can you well you can do both yeah exactly i think that that's the way to you want a zero zero alcohol heineken are you serious yeah i'll try a zero yeah because my problem with alcohol is alcohol. Yeah. So, yeah.

These are actually very good. Thanks, man. They taste like a regular Heineken. Mm. Check what I've got. Have you seen these? What is that? It's a Microtech California Legal Switchblade.

What? Yeah. What are you, stabbing people with a tiny knife? What are you doing, Reggie? What the fuck's been going on since I saw you last? I like it. Well,

I like having a knife. I'm from Montana. You always have a knife. You just always have a, it's like the greatest tool. But, it makes sense. How's the button go?

Okay, so hold it the opposite way. Turn it around, flip it around. Yeah. And then the button on the top side, see there's like a lever.

That button? No. This thing here? Yeah, that. So, this is on the back, this is a it around. Yeah. And then the button on the top side. See, there's like a lever. No. This thing here? Yeah, that. So this is on the back. This is a glass breaker. Okay. A glass breaker?

Yeah. For like if you're in your car or whatever and you need to break the window. Jesus. But here's the switch. Is that really what that's for? Yes. Let me see that. Isn't that crazy?

So this would break your window? Yeah. Hmm. It would break a lot of things. But how many people do you think could break a window with this i bet if you got a lot of people i just saw video there's a thing some old car windows and like like line them up and just fucking yeah because it seems like that's like that's like kind of weird a weird like standardized tip for glass breakers really isn't that crazy so would you get it see but it seems like it's sliding in your hand. It doesn't, it's too small. I think if you, you know, if you wedged it in, if you held it tight in your fist, you know, with your thumb over it, I think if you hit at, it's more about velocity, I think, rather than strength.

Just whack it. Yeah, because the way it's designed is to just be like super, like, precise strike. What do you want? It's carrying a glass breaker with him, man. Yeah. I'm not playing any games. You ready? Do you have water?

You have like bottled water in your car at all times? I have bottled water. I have a jumper. You can jump yourself. You know, if you have bottled water in your car in LA, you're basically drinking. What is that shit that comes, the leaks from your plastic PC? BPAs? Oh, I'm not using it.

I have glass. It's all glass. You have glass. How dare me? No, fuck that that i don't i'm not i mean like people are going to be like bitching because i talk about plastic bottles all the time but oh because we have it's here yeah it's here we need a better solution for that we should probably get glass and get a water jug yeah you just you just get a you just get a

municipal filter yeah that's it and you get alkalized water room temperature whatever and you can just have clean water and you just have tons and tons of vessels. I'm sure someone with BKR would sponsor you or something like that. What's BKR? They're like a, I guess, a canteen company or water carrying like jug company. We could have people drink out of mason jars. That would be dope. Pretend they're like old folks.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Old timey. Are you kidding? Yeah, it would be like grandma's kitchen cupboard. Yeah old timey are you kidding yeah it'll be like you know like grandma's kitchen cupboard yeah why do people like drinking out of mason jars i think it started with grandmas what was that band what was that one band no there was that one um sort of uh bluesy rocky band that pretty recently Mumford and Sons bam Jamie's a god damn wizard

Jamie's a god damn wizard how he do it how he do it he knows what I'm gonna ask before he googles it he's a wizard he's got something he's got something

some special talent but yeah those guys they dressed like they were from another era right they wore like weird clothes

from like the pioneer days yeah yeah they look like time travelers like from a steampunk era I mean kind of i mean i know what you're saying like in the beginning yeah you know fortune femster the oh yeah yeah yeah really funny she's really funny i wish i remember her joke but she had a funny joke about mumford and sons and mason jars really oh sweet yeah oh that's good i think it was like something to the the tune of you know she used mason jars for real not like not like this bullshit oh yeah she actually grew up poor i think that was it i apologize if i'm wrong that was i mean that's very funny i mean she is i mean

she's so rad i saw her in uh where were we in oh in australia sy Sydney. She's doing a podcast with Tom Papa. Oh. Yeah. Who's Tom Papa? Sorry. How dare you again? Sorry, guys. Tom Papa is a brilliant stand-up comedian.

Really, really funny guy. Super, super nice guy, too. And he's the master of bread. Bread? He makes bread. Oh, shit. He makes his own sourdough bread, and it is sensational. Oh, that's too much for one person to be able to do that. He comes over here, and he brings a loaf of bread and grass-fed butter.

Oh, no. Bro, you cannot resist. You cannot resist this bread. This bread is so good. Fuck your keto diet. If it doesn't include Tom Papa's bread, fuck your keto diet. Does he sell it at a bakery? No, no, no, no.

He just makes it himself. There he is. And he has a television show he's doing on a food network where he's visiting bakers. He's a brilliant guy and a super nice guy. Couldn't be a nicer guy. And he just loves making bread. He's so silly. That's me eating his bread.

It's so good. And it's like, I really believe this this That if you get The food From someone who's really cool Like it feels different It tastes different And Tom is just Tom is just such a nice guy And he's so funny

And he's so smart Like when you're eating his bread Like you feel like I'm eating a cool guy's bread Yeah You know It's like someone Who you love

Cooks you something If your mom cooks you something It's like wow It's not just good something. If your mom cooks you something, it's like, wow, this is so much. It's not just good. It's good. And it comes from love. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Cause the other person who made it is just standing right there while you're having it. Yeah. It's pretty unique experience, especially for bread. Yeah. I think that's the big thing with food too, with, with cooking, you know, I, I never really thought of food as an art form until I started watching no

reservations, which was Anthony Bourdain's original show. Oh yeah. Back when he was on the travel channel. Okay. And then I was like, Oh, like duh.

Like I, in my head, like they were just cooks. I go, they just cooking food. Cause I cooked food before I used to work at Newport creamery. I made burgers. Yeah.

I made grilled cheese. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. So it's like, I knew how to put the fucking fries in yeah but watching these chefs create these like

really elaborate creative dishes you start going oh oh this is an art form it's just a like a weird one like where it's temporary it doesn't only exist for a short window in time yeah but now that we have film of it and now that we have film of it, and now that we have photographs of it, like things on Instagram. Yeah. Now you start to appreciate that, oh, it looks amazing, too. Like, that's part of the thing. It's not like, if you could have, like, the most incredible steak, but it came to you and it looked like the shittiest looking lentil soup. Or, like, split pea soup.

Like, a split, just the peas, though. Just a bowl of green. But it was the peas though like just a bowl of green but it was the most incredible taste like yeah but it looks weird yes right right right but yeah but they're like they're making things like yeah they're addressing as many senses as possible yeah like everything bread looks good yeah it looks like something you want to eat crust on the outside with those little slices yeah on the top of the circle the bread like look at that see how he gets that yeah i know I know. Come on, man. And you're like, oh, this has to, we have to take care of this.

Yes, it's art. It's art, too. It's like, it's a temporary art form. We just think of art as something like, you know, that Buddha statue or something that just lasts forever. Yeah. But there's some art, like a sandcastle. It's just temporary.

Well, you know, in a weird way, music is kind of like that. If it's not recorded, you know in a in a weird way um or uh in in a weird way music is kind of like that if it's not recorded right yeah well no i mean if it is recorded because you only experience it temporarily but it exists as a idea in your head you know that like a like a ghost image of it but then when you listen listen to it when you press play and you listen to it it's happening in real time as soon as you stop it it's no longer it no longer exists so you're still just like in the kind of shadow memory of it right if you're not interacting with it it doesn't exist yeah yeah wow yeah imagine if there was something like that you could do with smells right the smells are the one sense that doesn't get any love like

your eyes people make all these beautiful things right your ears people make beautiful music but you got like perfume cologne and some fucking flowers that's all you got and weird shit like patchouli where they're like settle down settle down settle down with your wooden beads. Settle down. Settle down with your instinct. Those incense sticks. Amber sticks. Amber smells. By the way, Miss Pat, after she was on, she sent me incense. Did she send it to you, too?

Black pussy incense. What? Did she make one? No, she was just talking about crazy incense flavors flavors that she she she's aware of oh wow she's saying she uses them or people use them i mean the thing is you know that there's a niche market where people are making custom incense with names like that right like they legitimately are naming them that way because it's a hip thing yeah that's a very specific kind of person right It's a hip thing.

Yeah, that's a very specific kind of person, right? If you're an incense person, you have some kind of rug on the floor, like some kind of Persian type rug. It's Miss Pat. That's what she said. Yeah. So what is it? Oh, butt naked. Hey, Jeff Rogan could have said you some of these.

One says butt naked. What is the other ones? Oh, yeah. Black love. Yeah, there you go. Black butter. Yeah. Pussy.

Do you know Miss Pat? No. Oh, my God my god you gotta meet her she's a funny she's one of the funniest human beings on earth for sure damn one of the funniest people i've ever met like right up there with joey diaz shit she's so funny she's ridiculous like you leave a podcast with her and your fucking face hurts someone said that if you get john witherspoon joey diaz and miss pat on a podcast together we would like break the space-time continuum are you gonna do it fuck yeah i would love to do this but i would just i would i would shut my mouth i wouldn't say a word oh my god i just want them to have fun do you know john witherspoon i don't know dude he came on with his son his son jd is a comic as well yeah i met

jd at the comedy store and we're talking about his dad i'm like your dad is he's like a epic human being like he's so fucking funny and he's like let me let me get my dad to come and do the podcast like yeah let's do it i would love to have you guys on let's come on so uh it might actually be my idea i don't remember how it came out but anyway he comes in here and it's like the son is like completely normal jd's intelligent he's funny he's like very very like you've you've you know you're not shocked by him he's a funny smart guy yeah but his dad is from another planet everything he says is funny the way he says it is funny he does not give a fuck oh i know that kid yeah dude yeah i yeah everything yeah he's on like his own groove

he's on this uh i don't give a fuck times a million groove and he's been doing it a long time even his son's like laughing like while he's like see this is what i grew up with him like that is crazy he's so funny like that guy you can make him funny in a movie you know you give him a good movie part he'll he'll do great in it yeah but he will never be able to compare to him just being him in the moment because you lose that in the moment thing well you know he doesn't have anything planned out yeah he's not reading a fucking script the guy just for three hours is just hilarious about anything about shoes he's hilarious about money he's hilarious about his drink he wants to put his money in his pocket and rub it like it's dude he's yeah he like can hit his money in his pocket and rub it. Yeah, he can hit any angle.

Anything is fair game. He's doing a kind of art, the art of being him. This is what me and his son were talking about, and this is why it relates. He's doing an art form, but it seems like he's just being himself, and he is. But he's figured out how to be himself that is the most hilarious to the most people. And it's a matter of whether or not you can plug that into a movie successfully maybe the best thing about him just let him talk yeah just let him talk yeah like fuck your fuck your scripts like this guy's got a thing you know he's got a thing yes that is it's an art it's an art it's like it's just like cooking it's just like any

like just like music there's an art to to being a person even yeah for sure yeah right like why are some girls sexier is it just biology or is there an art to the way they communicate with you like when people are being flirtatious and talking to each other, there's an art to that. Yeah. There's like a little bit of a dance going on there. Yes, absolutely. Some people are better at it. Yeah.

I mean, yeah. I mean, it's a, you know, what gets your attention? I mean, there's so many factors. It's like what, it's like also like what you tend to view. What's the first cue that generally will set you off? Whatever that is. Experience as you were a kid or someone, your aunt or whatever was really cool

and your cousin was really sexy and a combination of those two elements are something that you hit. But I will say, yeah, I think it's just someone who's, when they're comfortable with themselves, they just have a, it also depends on what you're looking for too. Yep, yep.

But, because there's a co-resonance, there has to be a- Just like art, just like music, like we were talking about. Do you like it or not looking for, too. Yep, yep. But because there's a co-resonance. There has to be a- Just like art. Yes. Just like music. Yes. Like we were talking about. Do you like it or not?

Right. Music, to you, it might be the greatest song of all time. To Jamie, he's like, eh, I can take it or leave it. Yeah, yeah. It's weird. And then you can have an argument about it, which is really sweet. But no one's ever right. The bottom line about this stuff is-

No, yeah, it's all subjective. If you love Motley Crue, you love Motley Crue. It's not that there's anything wrong with Motley Crue. I'm glad you used that example. But if you if you're fucking at home by yourself going girls girls if you're loving it that that's art like why are we so judgy i do that with white snake all the fucking time i've told this story before but a dude sent me in a white snake cassette and uh i can't i used to it's in the office

because uh i had a girlfriend that made me throw it away after i got in a car sent me in a Whitesnake cassette. And I used to – it's in the office. Because I had a girlfriend that made me throw it away after I got in a car accident. I had a Whitesnake cassette in my car. Oh, what? Why did she make it? Because she thought it was bad juju? She was really into telling me what to do. She was older than me.

Okay. And she – I was packing up all my stuff because my car was broken. I got T-boned. And as I'm grabbing all my stuff, she's like, leave that. I go, leave what? She's like, leave the white snake. It's like, you got to get over that music. And I was like, really? She's like, yeah, it's terrible music.

She was into like the Pixies, that kind of shit. I didn't even know the Pixies existed back then. I loved them too, but I also loved white snake. There's a thing that people do, though, I loved them too, but I also loved Whitesnake. There's a thing that people do, though, where they only like things that make them appear smart or interesting. And it's like a hustle. Like you tell people you're really into Indian food.

You might really be, but there's also a thing you're doing. Like you're that person that's only into the cool stuff. But like that fucking Whitesnake song is badass that here i go again yeah that's it's awesome they only had a few that were like really good they had that song is fucking banging to this day is this love that's a sexy video that was good the video is is like one of my favorite videos. It's like the coolest, even though it was 80s and it was like hyper 80s, it's one of the few videos to me in my mind that had a style that kind of approaches timeless. Really? Yeah, in a way.

How good is this weed? The sincerity of it. I mean, that video is sexy with Tawny Katane and her moving around the bed or whatever. It was classy. It was sexy. It was very adult kind of feeling. Let's watch it. Shit.

But she looks amazing. And I love him just leaning on the wall like that. I mean, it's like, come on, man. It's a brick wall. He's like Mr. Cool Guy. Yeah, it's totally cool. It's a brick wall. He's like Mr. Cool Guy. Yeah, it's totally cool. It's done in such a sincere way, but it's just on the right side of me still thinking that it's fucking great.

It's great art direction. It's promoting ridiculous interactions. Yeah. It's promoting a ridiculous relationship. Just fucking talk. What is all this drama? I mean, that shit. Look at those shots.

His hair. It's amazing. His hair is wonderful. I mean, that shit, look at those shots. His hair, it's amazing. His hair is wonderful. I mean, he's very serious about what he's singing. He's like a better looking Luke from General Hospital. Remember Luke and Laura? Yes. That guy is like a better looking Luke. That's so hilarious.

His hair is preposterous. I know. Everybody's hair is just like off the charts. I mean, imagine if you had a friend that just had hair like that like hey let's go let's go hit the gym he's like hey man you want to go go he's got like a get some a gallon of hairspray in that shit i mean primped out that's just i mean back then that's that's you know what it is that's white hair bro yeah you have the solution to that yeah yeah your hair you just it's fantastic you don't

have to do anything yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah it's a totally lazy chaos it's lazy yeah it's chaos but at the same time like ah you know right but there's no work involved in that chaos it's a beautiful chaos oh i see what i'm saying as opposed to like yes you know you got one of them picks and you're spraying picks and spray to get his hair that big there's a lot of work involved there that's a shit ton of hairspray there's a lady off set constantly checking symmetry

here I go again on my own I mean the guitar, the band Whitesnake the band it was like it was the super group of hard rock. Or metal, I guess you can kind of, it kind of bleeds into that, like classic metal. There's been a few of those super groups.

This one freaked me out, man. I'm like, get off the car. What are you doing to the car, lady? It's like, she just doesn't care, man. She's rude. She's doing cartwheels on the car. She's wild. Look how sincere he is.

That's what I mean, man. He's really serious about what he's singing about. Yeah, look. And he's got three synth players in a row, by the way. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah. What is that about?

I mean, that's kind of hardcore. I wish we could play this, because it's so wonderful. I do love the idea. I mean, the hair color combination in the car. I mean, it's good. You know what this is? This is what happened when the War on Drugs know what this is good this is what happened when the war on drugs had a brief victory this is what happened i thought you're talking about the band for a second i'm like i am you are talking about times the 80s the times what happened here

the difference between jimmy hendrix in this is the the absence of drugs. Like, this is music created on the match. Well, this is Coke. Yeah, probably. Well, this is Coke music. Probably, yeah. This is definitely. Maybe a little Coke every now and then, but it's not created by Coke. Yeah, but it's like high-end party vibe.

You know, like these guys are living like the high-end party shit. Sure, I guess. I guess that's where they're coming from. But, I mean, to me, that's why, like, you know, someone described the NS1010s the uh the uh classic stage monitor or sorry studio monitors like when you're switching between different types i don't know what that is can you show me what that looks like yeah um see right now you and jamie on the same frequency he's an audio guy oh yeah yeah well they're like a they're like this

classic mixing and like the like aura tone and. They're just like speaker systems that have kind of become standards to a certain degree. Yeah. And so the weird thing about NS10s, it's like in the 80s when they were using them, I believe that's the right name for it. But in the 80s when they were using them, it was really, it had so much harsh high end. It was so crispy sounding. And they said it was because of, yeah um it's because of coke usage and coke usage like creates it basically brains tend to favor different sound frequencies under the influence of different drugs and with coke they like that high-end crispy sizzle that was like

hitting all the time and that was all amplified so then when you hear 80s music it tends to be it's mixed uh not all of it but a great deal of it is mixed with a lot of like upper mid treble-ness to it crispiness that's kind of a that totally makes sense that's why you know sometimes albums need to be remastered because of that wow but but that speaker is responsible that's what i this is what i heard so i'm this is secondhand information but but it makes sense. But you're a musician. That makes sense to you, right? It does totally make sense to me.

I mean, it's one of those subtleties that you may never think about, but then when you hear about it and you learn about it, it blows open a whole new way of thinking about things. Well, I don't know this, but that's what everybody's always said about the dead and LSD. Exactly. that's what everybody's always said about the the the dead and lsd exactly yeah that if you like the people that don't get the dead and i'm guilty of being one of those people yeah i'm not a huge fan but i respect them it's because you haven't listened on lsd apparently according to people that i know you listen to the dead on lsd and you're like oh my god i get it oh i see i see interesting it's it's lsd music yeah yeah totally my cousin used to follow them around really she followed them around for god i want to say a couple years

where she was on tour they would sell like bacon and eggs out of the car she was a total hippie that's like a real super legit hippie that's kind of sick but um that's rare so i got to talk to her about like the culture it's like it's everyone's on acid they're all doing so many of them are doing acid i want to say every one of them but it's like it's probably half which is crazy for a concert imagine going to a concert and half the people are doing mushrooms like 100 100 of the time half the people i don't know if i'm that if you're some pros if you're yelling at me right now going it's not half you don't know the number i'm sorry i'm just guessing i think it's a it's it's a psychedelic inspired music that once you're under that psychedelic

apparently it makes sense and this is not me talking from personal experience yeah yeah yeah i mean it could be one of those things where you know where there's a photo that's slightly out of focus. And then if you bring in another, or better yet, like a code. It's like you get a picture of something and you're like, I can't tell what it is. It's abstract. And then you put this other layer on it and it completes it. And you're like, oh, that's what it is. In a way, I can imagine that being true, but I can also say, once you've experienced music that really ignites your imagination, if you hear music that sounds amazing on LSD, it should also sound amazing to you personally, not on it. How you can tell that it would be even more amazing if you were on LSD, but it already sounds great.

It's like, to me me quality is like it exists in all states so like it it's just uh yeah anyways that's kind of how i look at it it's an interesting perspective but you would think definitely that people see things differently when they're under when they're under the influence of sure things absolutely you you don't think there could be like a tipping point? Oh, I think you're right. No, and to your point, yes. I do think that there is music where you're like,

I don't know, man, and then you listen to it on mushrooms or whatever, and you're like, oh, fuck, this is dope. I remember the first time I listened to Whole Lotta Love when I was high. Yeah. And you know that period, there's a period in the middle of the song where it's all just thimbles and fuck music

it's like ah ah ah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yes god damn i love that song oh but when you listen that song high you're like these guys were wild oh yeah i mean this is the 1970s, right? Yeah. And these guys made a song where it started off great, and then for a minute and a half, it was just moans and fuck sounds. Shake for me, baby. I want to be your backdoor man.

Hey. Ho. What? I was looking up this LSD Grateful Dead thing. So their sound engineer, who went under the name Bear, which if you know anything about the Grateful Dead, they use the bears. He was one of the only scientists when LSD was outlawed that could still make it. Wow.

That was his sound guy? Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ. He made over 5 million doses between between 65 and 67 it says whoa so they had their own personal guy and he was the one that making the sound so if that guy's still alive man they'll put him in jail for the rest yeah so they were strictly formatted for allister right here says he died in a car oh oh in australia that's probably on the wrong side of the road because he was on acid that That's quite possible. Don't get mad.

What the fuck? He's my hero. I'm just cracking a joke. But that's amazing. So they had their own built-in chemist. God, that must have been a good time. That's so cool. I love that because that's responsible.

I think that that's the responsible thing to do, to just know your own chemist. That way you're not buying any nonsense. Yeah. You're getting it from a guy who's a chemist. Yeah. This is your person that personally makes this stuff for you. You know where it comes from. It's just a mess.

How many people got busted at those concerts? Did Feds or the DEA ever crack down on those concerts? You said you worked security at like Amphitheater. Great Woods. Yeah. I did too for a summer. And one of the concerts we did was for Phil Lesh. He's the bass player of the Grateful Dead.

And my job for that day was to walk around the parking lot, and they would just yell. Me and my buddy were 19 years old. Six up, six up. They thought we were going to arrest everyone. And they would try to give us the goo balls, which have a bunch of drugs in them already, to sort of dose us so that we'd leave everybody alone.

What's a goo ball? It's like a popcorn ball, but from what I was told, I've never had one. Bunch of psychedelics and all sorts of shit. Oh, there's psychedelics in it? Yeah, it's just like a thing you would eat.

Oh, Jesus. Oh, I've never heard of that. You didn't know what you were eating? Yeah. You just took a chance? They're just like, oh my God.

This gets you high. Imagine the first guy. Oh, hi. The first guy to stumble on mushrooms. I was like, what the fuck? Like, mushrooms had to have been, like, relearned at some point in time. There had to be some people that lived in an environment where there was no mushrooms,

where people didn't get them, and then someone found them somewhere, but they didn't have any personal knowledge of what it was and tried it and ate it and tripped. That had to have happened. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know could it could also be like hey i'm foraging for blah blah blahs and because you know arguably they would say mushrooms are around like way way some people you know not so scientific perhaps i don't know or maybe scientific have surmised that maybe consciousness or self-awareness came from the our species running

into some kind of a psychedelic event yeah which caused this hyper self-awareness loop or whatever. You know why that one deserves a lot of attention? Because people are so resistant to it. Like really rational, intelligent people are so resistant to it. And it's almost... To resistant to what? To that concept. The concept that maybe our consciousness was somehow influenced by a psychedelic.

But to a man, almost to a man, all the – I shouldn't say that even. I'm overgeneralizing. But many of those people have not had psychedelic experiences that dismiss them so readily. That's true. The people that have had psychedelic experiences that tend to be skeptical or more rational, they're not going to have a definitive position on it. They're going to go, well, hmm. Yeah, right. That's something to consider. It's more's more measured yeah but then there's the hard liners you know the hard liners on both sides the hard liners who definitely believe that happened

and the hard liners who believe that it that they don't have any positive effects whatsoever yeah yeah totally they're both almost equally foolish exactly yeah yeah i mean that's uh that's what we're experiencing right now but at least the people that have experienced it they know what they're talking about the people that haven't experienced it and don't think it's worth trying like all right right like how do you know yeah i know all these people are saying that it's amazing and then it might be this literally the source of religion itself so many people when they've had it they have these complete life changes where they just rethink things and want to be kinder to people and nicer to people and want to just have more of a sense of community.

Yeah. And then you're just, people dismiss that. But yet they'll take yoga seriously and meditation seriously and they'll go to a therapist all the time and maybe they'll even get on antidepressants. Maybe get a little bit of Xanax. I'm having a little anxiety issues, Reggie Watson. And then they're scared of mushrooms. It's weird. Very interesting.

Yeah. I mean, I get it. I get it. And I Very interesting. Yeah. I mean, I get it. I get it. And I don't know. Oh, I get it. But it's a flaw. Yeah, it is a flaw. I mean, I guess if your job is to take in as many angles as possible to a problem or a situation or a concern or whatever, weigh all of the things about all of it and then come up with a solution based off of that but

and this isn't even encouraging anyone to do it but this is just saying to dismiss it as being not important when you've never done it is nonsense yeah that's all i'm saying that's all i'm saying it's like i'm not saying you should do it i don't think i know a lot of people that birth to grave have done no psychedelics and they're great and they're wonderful people and they have a great life and they had a wonderful experience it's not a prerequisite it's not a necessary thing no i don't know but if you haven't had it you might want to shut the fuck up yeah if you're speaking on the issue of it yeah of course shut the fuck up i was like well the research shows like oh you're gonna let the research show you what the experience is let me tell you about the research five dried grams in silent darkness as terence mccrannum would describe oh and prescribe yeah do that oh my gosh do that and

then we'll talk yeah you know just have one quick dmt trip and then we'll talk because there's no way that i think it would be difficult i'm sure there's someone who has done psychedelics and has and still says no sure yeah yeah yeah but i would say that most people they would understand at least maybe they didn't have a great time but they would at least understand the power of that experience i think some people have the burden of intelligence and what i mean by that is that they're really smart and they see a lot of people around them that are silly. And they experience that so often that they get weary and they sort of get rigid in their belief that their opinions are correct because they dismiss most of the people that are around them. Because you're around a bunch of dummies.

If you're a really smart guy or a smart girl, it's hard. It's hard to maintain a good perception of what things are and what things aren't when you're the smartest person in the room. You kind of never want to be the smartest person in the room. Yeah. And also, yes. And also, believing that you are, in a way, excludes you from including other people who are also smarter than everybody in the room. Well, it's not even, maybe not even smarter. But I know what you're saying. they're not limited by an ideology. Their perspective isn't dimmed.

Right. Yeah. Yes. They see things clearly, which is, I think, one of the most underrated forms of intelligence. Like, there's all this intelligence in solving mathematical problems. Yeah, right. Social intelligence.

But there's a bunch of different kinds of intelligence. Absolutely. Being able to see through the bullshit is an intelligence. And some people just don't have it. Yeah. No, absolutely. And I think that, you know, at the same time, wanting to help someone see that angle is also an important thing.

So if you're someone who's like, oh, shit, like, let's say it's this, maybe you're trained in tactical awareness. Right. And you just have a different way of being in a room where you sit, what you think about, all that stuff. And the situation arises where like potentially something dangerous could happen or whatever. Then being able to explain that idea and that type of awareness so that someone can see that is also possible. Like sharing it, they may not get it to the extent that you do, but they at least you've included it in their viewpoint.

Yeah. Maybe. Well, people that are soldiers, they do have a weird way of entering the room. My friend Andy Stumpf, he's always sneaking up on me. He says, you got no situational awareness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, we're in a crowd.

Like, what am I supposed to do? Just constantly on 360 looking for danger? That's so crazy. I mean, yeah, that's what he's saying. That is what he's saying. But that's because he's a SEAL. Yeah. They look at things a whole lot different.

That's how you stay alive. Exactly. Yeah. I think one of the things that's super important for people to recognize and helps them open their mind up to other opinions is that even if they favor themselves very highly, that competitive thing of comparing your intellect and your reason to other people, it's very limiting. Instead of worrying about yourself, if you're smart, just be smart. Yeah. But just appreciate other intelligences. Just get into talking to them.

That's my thoughts on it instead of being competitive with them get into trying to find out how they they work because there's a lot of different humans on this planet and we have this egocentric position almost everybody does that they're at least better at one thing than other people are or they know some more about one thing that other people do and it's a weird competitive thing that people get involved in it's stupid like you should recognize that it's awesome to have cool people around you that are like really smart and interested in weird shit and intelligent and inspiring you almost envy their their creativity those are massively important people to have in your life but when people get they feel weird about comparing

themselves to the other person because they come up unfavorably insecurity exactly that's where i see you see that with a lot of guys guys puff up chests and start you know comparing like how much their houses cost like like literally doing stuff that you're like oh we're still doing this like to to my mind i'm like like, oh, shit. You guys aren't aware of it like a way that I, but anyways. Right, right, that kind of thing. You guys are doing some 1990s shit here. Yeah, because it's like. Here we go again on my own.

I know, because either they're doing an act, which I'm always hoping. I'm always hoping. That's why there's disbelief when it really is what it is. I'm like, oh, shit. Oh, that's for real. That's actually the thing.'s weird right yeah it is a little it's a little weird i mean some people have a lack of cool people around them too that's a real problem yes stuck in a shit it's like a good tomato plant is not going to grow in the fucking sonora desert all right there's no nutrients there it's too bright it's the sun's too hot it's not the right

climate yeah right yes if you're stuck in some fucking shit whole city and it's just your whole neighborhood's filled with dummies and there's no prospects and there's fucking lead in the water you have flint michigan water you're drinking They still haven't fixed that. No. People have to drink bottled water in Flint, Michigan in 2019. Yep. How did they let that ever get to that point? Like, add all the things you need. Well, what do we need to stay alive? Number one, water.

Okay, let's ignore that. Let's ignore that and work on the cracks in the streets. Let's ignore that and have new traffic lights that have cameras on them to bust you so we can get more revenue let's make sure we hire parking tenants what about the water we can get to that we'll get to that water yeah well it's it's my new phrase for uh you know our situation cuz capitalism cuz the current version of capitalism is it capitalism i don't even well know enough about economics i mean i it's not really it's more just like a philosophical right can you have capitalism with regulation so that you make sure that there's no pollution you make sure that people yes don't get away with

environmental disasters of course and aren't we also going on the fucking momentum of decisions that were made a long time ago like a lot of this stuff like a lot of these mines that pollute everywhere uh pollute um environments wherever they are yeah yeah they kind of made those when environment environmental laws were different right yeah for sure i mean environmentalism was it wasn't really a thing until like the mid-1900s, I guess. So like Roosevelt was like a huge environmental groovy dude. But the idea of preserving swaths of land and like considering the environment when growing an economy simultaneously, like that just stopped. Like there's like some national parks stuff and maybe some things pass with like ozone

some lead stuff some mercury stuff you know kind of common sense really hardcore shit that should definitely like no brainers those have been done but anything else making sure that that balance is there as the economy grows just doesn't exist it's just the way capitalism is right now. It's like, it doesn't, that's not considered a value. There's the more, in fact, the more scarce it becomes, the higher in value it is.

So it's, so it's in its own best interest to continue to grow and grow and grow until it can't grow anymore. Jesus. Freak me out, man. So, so that's why decisions like that are made in my,

in my mind. Well, decisions that impact the wilderness and impact in the environment like did you ever see that movie gas land no great documentary on fracking oh wow really crazy um what is the director's name josh fox brolin no are you sure it's a different guy bro no there's you sure? That's a different guy, bro. No, there's no way. No, it's a different guy. There's no way. But it's an amazing documentary. Josh Fox.

Josh Fox. I got it. Josh Fox. It's really good. Really, really good documentary. Who is Josh Fox? He's a guy who... Who made the film.

Yeah. Okay. He was inspired by a personal experience with... Wasn't it? Do you remember the actual story, Jamie? It's like personal experience with some pollutants or something like that in the river. But got into it anyway, made this amazing documentary. And watching people dismiss some of the stuff in the documentary was so surreal.

Oh, yeah. They were lighting their tap water on fire. And I don't know if you saw that. I did see that, yeah and that's crazy people literally were saying you could do that before the fracking that's not it's not because of the fracking wow people were saying that like okay let's assume that's true let's just get crazy and assume that's true their fucking water is on fire that's the last shit that should be on fire is the shit they use to put out fire yeah if your goddamn water's on fire yeah do you know how much shit has to be in your water for it to be on fire okay

what's going on here and why are you so sure that this didn't come from fracking and that you could always light your water on fire and now you're telling us yeah you didn't make videos about this before before there was a fracking thing yeah show me a video let me see are you sure that would be interesting are you really sure that there's, have you tested the water? Are you a fucking scientist? Are you sitting over there with a lab coat and a fucking check sheet? Yeah. Making sure that the toxin levels are exactly the same before and after fracking?

No, you're not. But why are you so interested? There's a thing that people do where they're like really interested in the interests of big business. And they want to like, they get. And regular people who don't even have a financial stake in that business will make up excuses for the business i know it's crazy yeah what is that it's fear just fear of losing jobs like people like losing jobs or losing the thing that keeps their

their bills paid it's also like that no nonsense right wing mindset there's like a no nonsense right wing mindset all these fucking tree these fucking tree-huggers. Goddamn tree-huggers. Oh, yeah. Trying to stop us from making a good living. You want those people to be poor? You want those people to... You ever see the look on a poor coal miner's face?

Yeah. You know what I mean? There's that thing that they do. Yes. That no-nonsense. So they want to go with anything that's like good for the economy but bad for the environment. Exactly. Which is crazy.

It's totally crazy. You have to factor in the additional cost. How much is it going to cost to fix what you did? good for the economy, but bad for the environment, which is crazy. It's totally crazy. You have to factor in the additional cost, how much it's going to cost to fix what you did, and if you ever can fix what you did, and if you can't fix what you did to the environment, how much should that cost? Because if you decide, like, hey, I'm going to pull copper out of this fucking hole in the ground,

but it might kill a million salmon, like, can you imagine how much a million salmon would be worth? You're going might kill a million salmon like you imagine how much a million salmon would be worth you're gonna kill a whole population of salmon how much is that worth like you ruin fishing for all the people that want to come to this one salmon river yeah you kill a million fish like how much is that worth that's that should be worth a billion dollars yeah you should get fined a billion dollars if not more yeah you can't even fix that that's what i'm that's what i'm saying that's that's what that that value that it has no value well the thing is it's also it's ours like what they're poisoning is our stuff i know that's what i mean it's like the earth it's just

the worst because it's like it does not it's just a not it's not a part of the equation for growing the economy that's like and i know there's gonna be people listening that are like just know about this shit hardcore i'm just approaching it from like an over kind of philosophical energetic viewpoint right right we're being hippies yeah we're being like kind of i don't know weirdo we're stoned we don't even know what the fuck we're saying we're stoners so have you ever seen some of the image of the mining that they do the images of the mining they do in um northern canada like northern alberta no dude it's like some hellscape shit it's crazy it's like there's a giant industry of oil mining up there and all kinds of mining yeah in northern canada a lot of folks that go up there and they do shifts but i mean you're talking

unbelievably brutally ruthlessly cold occasionally people get jacked by bears yeah like really they're living they're living with monsters just outside the gates and some fucking night's watch type deal where they're trying to suck oil out of the ground and i mean there's so much of it up there and it's such a big part of the economy that you have these giant like aerial views of these this these places that are just fucksville wow man there's one of them the one i saw was much more horrific because it involved the lake so what does it say photos famed photographer alex mclean's new photo of canada's oil sands are shocking yeah i mean it's creepy it's i mean but there was nothing there anyway the idea is like hey if it's just flat like that or it's ugly because we have holes in it and oil's coming out of the holes, who gives a shit? No one's up here.

Right. I get it. I get that mindset. We got jobs. Everyone has jobs. And it's true. It's a great job to have. They make a lot of money.

You meet those dudes that come to a lot of shows when you do in Canada. Yeah. They have a name for them. Like really rich oil worker fellows. Yeah. It's real rich oil worker fellows. Yeah, it's real rich oil worker fellows. That is the nickname. They're drilling these giant – that's one that I saw.

You see the water all fucked up. It's all filled with oil and shit. Oh, my lords. Yeah. That's a – That's the water, man. Look at that. That water's fucked.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny all of the all of the issues that all of the imbalances are completely solvable there's like there is no deficit we don't have a deficit in what it would take to just make good decisions that make life really nice for most people on the planet i think a lot of managing has to be done because there's a lot of stuff that has unintended consequences and moving pieces affect all the moving pieces around them of course i think that's one of the things that people are really bad at predicting that's

why i was saying like yeah you know how much is it worth to be able to get copper out of a hole in the ground it's going to poison a river and kill a bunch of fish how much is that worth yeah you know it's like these people have this sense that like you make one decision it only affects that thing but it doesn't affects a lot of things that are connected to that thing yeah it also affects the way people feel if you do something shitty like kill a million fish people get bummed out like that's real it affects the way they interact with other people yeah you know when you read something really fucked up on the news you're like god damn it and so you leave your house like that you leave your house like god damn it yeah two people that have that god damn it and then they they get upset at each other for something they wouldn't before yeah because they're just thinking there's a bunch of pedophiles out there and a bunch of monsters

and a bunch of murderers and a bunch of people pouring oil into the ocean yeah i know it's a bummer it changes when people do fucked up things it changes how we feel about people 100 and i i don't know i get uh i don't know it's i try to get that to get overwhelmed by those things but you know it's like really the best thing at least in my life that i try to do is make friends with as many technologists and designers and people of that ilk to be able to at least be a part of the conversation. Because they're like at the head of the wave. There's nothing really in front of them. They're just on that like, you know, whatever, bleeding edge or whatever. But it's just like the place where chaos is being ordered and the decisions are being made which ways we're going to do that.

And if you can have good conversations with people like that, you can kind of, I believe, you can kind of help steer things, at least technologically, to allocate funds to different portions of technology that should be more prioritized than they are. that should be more prioritized than they are. Like just figuring out things like accumulating water out of the air, like more of that should be used, or reducing carbon emissions, all the various things you can do for that. Try to close that gap between the ultra, ultra, ultra, ultra rich and the poor. It's like everyone can still be super happy. If everyone had access to be able to level up to a point that's ridiculous,

that can still happen, but not at the levels that they are. Well, isn't that interesting, that instinct that people have to resist that idea that poor people shouldn't be somehow or another, we should engineer a way to have less poor people, that we should consider it as a problem. But people get really resistant to that, right?

You start thinking, oh, no, no. What do you want to do? You want to take my fucking money and give it to someone else? No. Taking my money. Fucking socialists. Taking my money. Yeah, it's like, well, he didn't work for it.

He didn't find the right way to work inside of the system. So he's a failure. I'm sorry. I don't think they're right. I don't think they're wrong about the whole concept of not giving people money doesn't solve a problem. No. It doesn't solve a problem.

But recognizing that it's a problem and engineering it so that we have a better society where more people are doing good, that's great for everybody. Totally. It's great for the economy. It's a weird caste system thing where people who are really poor, you almost want them to stay really poor. Yeah. You don't want to- I don't get it. It's a weird thing. I don't get are really poor, you almost want them to stay really poor. Yeah. You don't want to.

I don't get it. It's a weird thing. I don't get it. I'm like, because I feel uncomfortable if I'm in a room of people and I feel like someone's being kind of just looked over consistently. Yeah. That's the person I'm going to engage with the most. Well, you're a great guy. That's awesome.

But it's. But you are. I mean, that's a good way of looking at it. I mean, because it's. And also, it's just like. Well, but it's it's also just a practical thing right i mean i mean if you're sensitive to this if that's part of your value system is to feel like you know not everybody should be doing this or this or that or that but everybody's entitled to be recognized and respected for that and so that's kind of a cool place to operate from but

i guess what i'm relating to economically yeah if, if more people are doing well, then you have a very productive society. So there are no drags on it. Like there's a lot dragging this economy. It's just like – Yeah, crime and poverty. It's getting gummed up. Drug addicts. Yeah.

And a lot of drug addicts come from abuse. Yes. A lot of abuse comes from poverty. There's a lot of those factors that play in there that make us a weaker country. That's why I tell people, if you're really patriotic, you'd want to fix all of the impoverished neighborhoods. Yes. If we're a team, the team is stronger when there's less losers, right? Totally.

When people are not losing in life. Well, people are losing because they're stuck in a spot where they can almost never get out. By the time they're 18, they've already been in jail jail twice and they're kind of programmed by their environment to be hostile because the world around you is harsh and nasty and doesn't give a fuck about you well you have to adapt to survive i mean that's how people are able to kill people in war people have a remarkable ability to adapt yes but the idea that they should be able to figure that out when you didn't have that's's crazy. That's crazy. It's such a bad hand.

Yeah. They have the worst hand of cards ever. Yeah. And they're us. We're all on the team. Like, if you really say you're American, I'm American, man. I don't fucking support this country. Well, this country's everybody, man.

Yeah. Everybody. I agree. Everybody. Forget it. Let's leave, just for convenience convenience sake let's leave out illegals yep and only say the poor people that were born here that are registered united states citizens we got work to do oh yeah we got work to do it's it's it's just insane to me i mean i i see it and

i'm like oh fuck man that shouldn't be a thing but but i see why you know it's like you're talking about there's this weird biological human instinct to create a tiered system of society because that's the way you control society. It's like creating a transmission. It looks like a social transmission. And like, that is. That's an interesting way of looking at it.

Yeah. Cause it's like that way you can manipulate, you can like switch gears and you can play off, you can play them off of one another. And, and, you know and i think like some conspiracy thinking shit right there bro you just went deep playing them off

against each other i'm like is he right yeah is he right or is it convenient is it just convenient that people want to keep it's crabs in a bucket you know that expression that yeah crabs never get out of the bucket because the other crabs grab them drag them down yeah yeah it's true yeah i mean it's yeah it's predicting human behavior you know to a certain extent and it's a lot of that leftover monkey stuff yeah man it's the it's not it's just it's still here yeah it's still here and it's fucking shit up well we also needed it just a hundred years ago totally yeah yeah it was people were doing duels when they were the president was doing duels just a couple hundred years ago yeah you're right that shit is so recent you're right yeah barbaric shit man shooting each other with little

mini muskets in the fucking street in front of everybody and you were the president is that true was there a president that got in a duel that is true right i think you're right we looked it up as andrew jackson got in like over 100 duels i think but that like what the duels weren't like that duel type thing it was really just like a challenge to see if you would show up really. And then like. Oh, it was like just a formality. It wasn't really like always like someone died at every single one. Did he shoot anybody?

He did, but I think only like one person. Oh. Oh, because usually they didn't. They have a crazy story about it. They don't aim at each other. That's why I heard that there was like you kind of like aim near them. Really? Something like that.

Yeah, and that was a way to concede. In one duel, he got shot, I think, in the chest, but he was such a badass, he stayed. He put his hand over it and held it because his gun jammed when he was supposed to fire, so the other guy got him, and then he fixed his gun, shot the guy in the head, and that guy ended up dying.

I'm pretty sure that's the storyline about the one guy he killed. Ouchie. You have a real motivation to kill a guy when he shoots you in the chest that shit yeah you're like eliminate threat now this becomes real and the guy just has to stand there he can't even run away how goofy is that you have to stand there and let a dude shoot you that's part of the deal right i don't yeah i don't think you can turn around and go oh my god you can't be like i went bitch and just run i'm out of here You have to kind of stand there.

There's a guy named Charles Dickinson, not the writer, but a horse, a rival horse breeder, and here's the account of their goal. Oh my god. Okay, here it goes. On May 30th, 1806, Jackson and Dickinson met at Harrison's Mills on the Red River in Logan, Kentucky. At the

first signal from their seconds, Dickinson fired. Jackson received Dickinson's first bullet in the chest next to his heart. Jackson put his hand over the wound to staunch the flow of blood and stayed standing long enough to fire his gun. Dickinson's seconds claimed that Jackson's first shot misfired, which would have meant that the duel was over. But in a breach of etiquette, Jackson re-cocked the gun and shot again, this time killing his opponent. Although Jackson recovered, he suffered chronic pain from the wound for the remainder of his life. Ugh.

Damn. Jackson was not prosecuted for murder, and the duel had very little effect on his successful campaign for the presidency in 1829. Many American men in the early 1800s, particularly in the South, viewed dueling as a time-honored tradition. Wow. Dude, that was just a couple hundred years ago. We were barbarians. You're like, well, sometimes you just got to do it.

That is a time-honored tradition. 200 years ago, people were so goddamn crazy that you could shoot someone in the fucking face in a duel, a street fight, and then run for president and win. Yeah, it's consensual. I mean, there are versions of that now. That's amazing.

But yeah. His divorce raised more of a scandal than him killing that guy. Wow. How is that possible? Wow. I mean, again, priorities. Different societies. Yeah, what was gossip like back then?

Like gossip magazines didn't have hand-printed newspaper with gossip in it that they would hand out? Yeah. Why would his divorce become a big deal? They had the printing press back then, right? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, they had the printing press. The United States got theirs in 1856.

Like everyone had to buy into it. People were so goofy. Just a couple hundred years ago, they were so goofy. I mean, that's one of the best examples of a difference and a shift in culture. Imagine hearing that today. Imagine hearing that we had slid so far down that Trump and Putin were engaging in a duel, and they were going to go back to back, and Trump cheated and shot him. Yeah, I wonder who would cheat who.

Well, if that happened, if Trump took a bullet, but his gun misfired, and then he re-cocked it and fire again oh that would be a trump thing that's what but that's what he did that's what jackson did oh my god was it jackson yeah yeah though okay so he married rachel jackson who this is part of the duel because uh the guy who killed dickinson had publicly called her a bigamist because she married Jackson not knowing her first husband had not finalized the divorce or something like that. So that was a bigger scandal that he was married to some already married woman. And that got outed. So he was like, fuck you, I'm going to kill you.

Oh, my goodness. Wow. So he challenged him to a duel because of that. Jackson challenged him to a duel? Yeah. And a reneged horse bet, he said. Oh, my God. A horse bet.

Oh, you can't cheat on horse betting. Yeah. Those are two big things, man. Don't say a man's wife is a bigamist. And you don't say, that's what they're shooting people over, fucking horse bets and shit. Yeah, those are barbarian people. And those are our ancestors, just 200 years ago. It's like very civil. Civil barbarianism. Civil barbarian people and that's our ancestors just 200 years ago it's like very civil

civil barbarianism civil barbarianism it's like well we're barbarians but there are rules well that's one of the more hilarious stories of the revolutionary war right the way the british soldiers dressed was so silly they literally put a target on their fucking chest they made their vitals lighter it made like if you you shoot guns you know it's like you can see if you could see things clearly it makes a much more viable target yes period yeah and you're talking about people that didn't have any sights on their guns oh right in terms of uh optics obviously they had like little machined sights little metal sights but the way these guys walked towards them,

especially the ones with the Xs on the chest, that shit is so ridiculous. They're walking bullseyes. It's the dumbest thing. Wow. And the only thing that makes sense to me is that they had just had it easy for too long. Not even easy, but they were in control for too long.

They got a little silly. They forgot how barbaric people can be. Well, they're thinking about fashion. Well well that's the weirdest fashion right like that that was what they used for wartime like this is really like they're professionals yeah you know i mean like the soldiers looked a little bit more like hey guys we're professional soldiers and we're it doesn't look like good clothes for fucking people up in. No, it looks cool. Yeah. But what a weird outfit, right? That military. It's really weird.

How much hand-to-hand combat were they doing? Because there wasn't a lot of swords. They were just jerking each other off. That's all they did. They just got in the woods and. Because if they knew any jujitsu, someone could choke everyone out with that. With those outfits? Yeah.

I bet that clothing doesn't move good too i mean i'm just guessing but i think their fucking cloth was probably dog shit back then yeah probably real stiff hard to move around and it's just a weird outfit it's not like something you if you had to run through the woods and fire a gun you want to wear with like soldiers wear today and you want to be able to blend in. But it's just so strange that that wasn't even a concern back then. They had knee-high leggings. They had weird shoes. Wars were more like chess.

Like the soldiers and all the different rank and file, they're all like pieces on a chessboard. So it's all about strategy. It's like we'll line our men up this way, and we'll do this, and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's more like that's how battles are being organized. It's like chess games. You want to know how good? Before you got guerrilla. Right, right, right.

Well, it was guerrilla at first and then it became chess games. No, that's true. Because it was like Mongol days. They were lighting people on fire and using catapults. Yeah, by any means necessary war. Those shoes did not have tread. They hadn't invented tread on shoes yet. That's how goofy people are.

Yes. They had leather shoes. So the soles were leather. So they were scuffed up, but there was no tread. I bet you some soldiers figured out how they wrapped. Something. Leather and wrapped layers around the foot. To give it something.

So it created at least traction. Yeah. Because if you think, you take a trail running shoe, and you ever wear a Solomon Speed a trail running shoe and uh if you ever wear like uh like a solomon speed cross trail i love those yeah they're great they have these big divots in the bottom you can really dig into the dirt with those things yeah if you had to compare yourself running up a hill in cowboy boots that have the flat leather smooth slippery surface versus you would fall on your fucking face yeah there's no way you'd have any confidence yeah nothing but those solomons you just dig in and go it gives you a

totally false perception of like i have um those vibram five finger running shoes oh yeah yeah yeah and uh i run in the trail ones which have like a good amount of tread in it but one day i tried to run in the ones that aren't trail ones they're they're basically just for the gym they're super thin there was no tread at all i was falling on my fucking face my legs would just go whoops just kick out from going uphill your legs just go whoopsies oh no tread no tread at all it's just slippery i couldn't imagine that you need like if you're running up a stiff hill you need div divots. You need something that's going to help you. They didn't even have that back then.

They just had leather. Do you find tread? I sort of found a shoe. I think it says it was from the Revolutionary War, but it doesn't show the tread. It's just a fucking old piece of leather that's wrapped around his foot. Don't tread on me. That was their shoes back then. Bullshit ass shoes.

But the bottom was just fucking leather. I mean, I wonder when they figured out like Vibram leather soles, you know? I mean, rubber soles. Oh, yeah. Where they figured out how to get those like thick, deep treads in. There's some slave shoes from the Civil War time. Yeah, those are clogs. Wow. Basically, they just borrowed that Dutch technology.

Yeah, wooden shoes. Fuck that. Look at those things. Wow. Dude, this is a couple hundred years ago. People would just take animal skin off and chop it up and put it on their body. I love it. That's how people stayed alive.

I like how they figured out wood and leather. I wonder who the first fucking monkey was to figure out how to skin an animal and wear its skin. You know, it had to be like in the monkey days, right? No, it feels like it'd be a couple generations away from the monkey days. Maybe. Don't you think? Maybe it was one. I just can't imagine a monkey doing that.

One mean motherfucking chimp. And they were going north. And there's one dude who always annoyed him. So he kills him with a rock and then uses the rock to take his fucking skin off and wears it to freak everybody else out but then he realizes it makes him warm oh yeah go a little further north uh-huh it's like a movie okay i like it movie can you see that scene i can see that that that that's like that's what the entire movie leads up to i wonder when the first monkey figured out he could kill an animal with like a tool like the first like australia pithicus or one of those

oh yeah primitive humans when the first one was that stabbed something like a stabbed a rat or a rabbit with a stick and went holy shit right i can just use this tool. Yeah. What other tools can I make? I'm going to start eating. Yeah. I'm going to eat good. Because if you didn't have a weapon, how hard is it for a person to kill something with your hands? What are you even going to get? What are you going to catch?

What the fuck can you catch with your hands? You can't catch a squirrel. Just your hands. No tools. You'd be hunting and gathering mostly. I mean gathering, I would say. Yeah. You'd be eating shit hands no tools you'd be hunting and gathering mostly i mean i mean gathering i would say yeah you'd be eating shit that you found on the ground yeah that's primarily what you would eat and then once in a while you'd get something an animal but but yeah

but then they had yeah you're right uh they obviously had to figure out different ways of getting animals well it's one of the shifts that they think took place that allowed the human brain size to double over a period of two place that allowed the human brain size to double over a period of two million years oh really human brain size apparently um i was listening to a terence mckenna lecture on this once and he was talking about all the human brain size doubled over the period of two million years it's one of the biggest mysteries in the fossil record and his idea was that they discovered mushrooms and that the chimps over this period of time or the monkey people, whatever the fuck they were, ancient hominids, had discovered mushrooms after the climate had shifted. And he backed it up.

He did back it up. At least he's dead now. He backed it up with some climate data that we know from core samples and stuff like that. Yeah. you know core samples and stuff like that yeah he thinks that they experienced climate change where the rainforest had receded in the grasslands and that this gave birth to the rise of undulates like cows and you know deer and things like that yeah and they would shit these mushrooms would grow on their uh shit and then they've observed a lot of these monkeys in the wild picking up cow patties and looking for grubs and beetles underneath it.

Oh, I see. And they think they might have experimented with the mushrooms. And that if they experimented with psilocybin mushrooms, a lot of things could take place once they realized that it was not just a viable food source, but also provided them with a bunch of different benefits. One being their vision. It increases visual acuity. I know. It's so weird. Especially in low doses.

So it would make them see things better. Two, it makes them hornier, makes them more communal, and it makes them more creative. And all those things possibly could have given birth to language and to a lot of other things. They also think it's possible that that creativity could have enabled them to start hunting. They started using tools and you

and thinking and and trying to figure out ways around stuff and trying to you know try to figure out how to make an effective weapon to kill something at a distance like the more they're thinking and becoming creative the more that stuff's enhancing them and this this period of two million years is like a pretty profound jump for the human brain size they think some of that also came to do with our desire to kill things with with weapons but once we started hunting and eating meat we got way more protein more bioavailable protein all it was healthier for the animal for the human animal and then we also started to try to figure out other better ways to kill these animals which made us even more creative and competitive yeah yeah and they think that all these all these factors might have taken place that turned us into a person

that's pretty amazing two million years yeah it's just like a deviation well you know it's even crazier 65 million years ago we were like a mole oh yeah people were like a little shrew that's our ancestor that's right i remember. What's the name of that thing? I don't know, man. I think it's the Snorfkrispethis. What is it? Snorfkrispethis. I think you're right.

Say it again. One more time, please. I'm going to write this down. The Snorfkrispethis. It was like a weird little mole saying. Snorfkrispethis. That's what it is. Yeah.

It's a little tiny rodent. Yeah, because I did a podcast, or no, I toured with... What is it, Jamie? Oh, there it is. I don't know. The alias of, what is that word? Eutherian mammals?

Eutherian. Was a small rat-like creature depicted in this illustration that lived 145 million years ago. Wow. In the shadow of the dinosaurs. So that rat-like creature apparently survived the asteroid impact.

I don't think that's the thing, though. There's a formal name for it. I know because I was on a podcast and they were one of the segments of it. They talked about this thing. But the only reason why I'm skeptical is because it says 145 million years ago but i guess maybe they survived the impact scroll back up to the top of the title

says these rodent-like creatures are the earliest known ancestors of humans whales and truce oh okay that's what's even more crazy like we used to be a whale like it's like or our ancestor we shared a common ancestor i should say yeah we like went into the sea and then stayed on land. That thing, that fucking rat became a whale. What? Maybe that's it. Eutheria, there it is. Okay.

That turned into a person, folks. Think about that when you're setting your rat traps. I know. 100 million years from now, rats might be some super superior human form. I think that's very possible. But, I mean, I get why Christians are skeptical now. I'm like, what do you, show me your work. God made this.

God didn't, I was not a rat. I was not a rat, sir. Yeah, I just appeared. But in essence, here's a way to kind of maybe justify that argument. It's like, let's say the mushroom thing is true, right? It's like, let's say the mushroom thing is true, right? So in essence, humans became humans with the intervention, if you will, of a natural psychedelic substance, which then expanded the mind and enabled the growth of that mind, the acceleration of intelligence, self-awareness, like light speed. And so in essence, like god created man or whatever you like that idea it's like well in in essence it is the unit if you think of god as the universe or

whatever i i that's one way of thinking of it god collective consciousness whatever you want to call it like that that intervention or the the ability to see or sense that expansiveness of that collective intelligence could be attributed to God. So therefore, you could say, well, I was never a blah, blah. It's like, well, yeah, you are from that, but what created you was something more cosmic. So if that's even true. Well, I was reading a quote today that someone was mocking from Piers Morgan, reading a quote today from that someone was mocking from piers morgan where he's talking about the you know like atheists and uh not knowing what happened before the big bang not knowing how no one has any answer for what happened before the big bang and about how this made sense to him

that um this is i think the way he was saying it was a somehow or another it was evidence or at least in his eyes of something more superior oh here it is no atheists can never say what was there before the big bang they just say nothing and they can't explain what nothing actually is no human brain can which is why i believe in something that has superior powers to the human brain well that makes sense that there's definitely oh brian cox went after his ass what did brian cox say if you mean the hot big bang then there may be a period of rapid expansion known as inflation this theory is able to account for the observed features of the universe including including the cmb power spectrum and the flatness and horizon problems

i love it brian cox just cameness and horizon problems. I love it. Brian Cox just came at him with the science. I love it. I know what he's trying to say. That's how you do it. I know what he's trying to say, what Pierce Morgan's trying to say, and he's right. No one has an answer as to why this thing became,

why the Big Bang happened. There's an interesting quote by this guy we were talking about. I forget who it was. I wish I could remember. But he was talking about how people have, it might have been McKenna, have so much faith in science and so little faith in mystical things, but yet science

revolves on one initial theory where magic took place, where everything came out of nothing, that it was smaller than the head of a pin. So everything you see in the observable universe, including planes, trains, and automobiles, all of it had to have had an origin

in the most spectacular sorcery the world has ever known. Like, it is all dependent upon magic. So he wasn't saying that, you know, ridiculous ideological ideas of the start and birth and death of the universe are fact. But he was saying that, look, the fact, according to scientists, is that all evidence points to this whole thing coming out of nothing. This whole thing existing out of nowhere. And what Piers Morgan, I think, is saying is that that gives birth that that gives proof that something superior to the human brain which for sure it does well yes we were at this is

terence mckenna we were asked by science to believe the entire universe sprang from nothingness and at a single point and for no discernible reason this notion is the limit case for credulity in other words if you can believe this you can believe anything well i think i said it i said it in a paraphrasical way that's basically the same thing he's um you know just saying like it's all it's all nuts man yeah i mean my my thing is like i think i like to think of it as in simulation terms in the sense that if thinking of reality and the way it's perceived and the way that we move through it is kind of a designed game of sorts. And so if I think of it in that way, like nothing and something, nothing and something, that's just kind of – that's the core of our reality, right? We live in a binary reality.

Everything is a complex assortment of binaries that add up into a really complex system in a way. So what do you think it's moving towards? What do you think about that? Well, that's the thing. I think that part of the rules or what makes it hard to rationalize nothingness or something very, very fantastic is just because it's binary. We are binary in our thought process. So it's hard for us to not think of things in a binary way. So we think, oh, there was a beginning. No, there was an ending.

There was a beginning. There was an ending. But really, it's infinite. It's like it's paradox, right? It's everything and nothing simultaneously, and the absence of which. But I guess what I'm saying is that the idea that things are infinite, that reality is infinite, is kind of a good way, but kind of can be scary, but a good way to think of it, because it doesn't make any sense why it wouldn't be. It seems like we have a limited way of viewing

what reality is, and i think we're limited by our binary thought processes i guess well it's also interesting that we want to put any sort of limitations on the universe and that yeah it's immense size isn't crazy enough for us you know what i mean i know or that like we could look at what we know right if we know that the universe has hundreds of billions of galaxies, like there's a bunch of competing theories as to what happens with black holes and whether or not there's multiverses. There's a bunch of competing theories, right?

Yes, right. But one of the most profound ones that was ever explained to me is that there's a supermassive black hole in the center of every galaxy, and it's exactly, I think, one half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy. Oh, really? It works out like that? Yeah, so the bigger galaxies have bigger supermassive black holes. Sick.

And the concept is that there is a real possibility that going through that black hole, you would encounter an entirely different universe with hundreds of billions of galaxies each galaxy have a black hole in the center of it go through that black hole an entirely different universe so each one each universe where you have hundreds of billions of galaxies there are hundreds of billions of universes through those black holes and each one of those galaxies or each one of those universes has also hundreds of billions of galaxies and each one of those galaxies or each one of those universes has also hundreds of billions of galaxies and each one of those has a black hole you go through that hundreds of billions of galaxies that the whole thing fractal exactly just like this keeps

happening there's a resistance no come on yeah there's a thing like an instant reaction to resist that notion as if the universe itself isn't already the most incredible thing of magic right i know what do you care if it's infinite why is that why would you even resist that well because that's the part of the binary thinking it's like you want something to have an end it's like it's it's a it's a way for us to survive but like you know it's like oh there's an end to that that creates a uh a need to survive but when you think of things in an abstract like well if something is just infinite infinite infinite what does that mean about us it's like that's the question that's the thing to explore because then you have to renegotiate your

your your relationship to reality yeah which is pretty sick we have at least we'd like to take comfort in the idea that the universe has at least – there's a certain parameter to it. No, no. It's 14 billion light years and that's it. That's it. No more. No more. As if you can even understand what 14 billion light years is.

There's no way it could be that number. It seems more like 19. But whatever that number is – You know what I'm saying? The way Cox explained it to me, and I believe Sean Carroll explained it this way as well, there's a real lack of understanding about what goes beyond that because it takes a certain amount of time for light to even get to us. And that time that the light doesn't move fast enough to reach us from further events. Yeah. fast enough to reach us from further events yeah so if you had something from like 200 billion light years ago but maybe the light wouldn't even get to us yet yeah there's things that yeah i mean we're living in a time machine yeah i mean that's when you that's the other mind

fuck when you're looking in the sky and you're seeing a galaxy or a any sort of star like in the deep, deep, deep distance of space. Yeah. The fucking light coming from that thing left a million years ago. Yeah, I know. Or way more. You're literally just looking at the past. What is, if you had to imagine, what is the closest star to our star in the seeable universe? When you look up into the night sky,

what do you think is the closest? Is it the dog star? No. Is that a star? Sometimes things are called stars, but they're planets from old school times. And I could be wrong. If you had to guess,

what's the closest? How many light years? Alpha Centauri? I don't know. Yeah, that sounds great. Alpha Centauri, is it? How much is it? How far away is that?

4.3 light years from Earth. Wow. That's not too bad. That's a hop, skip, and a jump. If you go the speed of light, it'd take you four years. I bet that's like the Hawaii of outer space. They go there, and there's a pit stop there before they come to Earth, and the aliens come, and they want to chill.

I hope so. All right. So, hold on. This is it. Oh, shit. Some breaking news. So, hold on. This is a... Oh, shit. Some breaking news. No, not really. No.

Alpha Centauri is a binary pair. So, I imagine that means that they move around each other a little bit. Yeah, they orbit around each other. There's technically a third star, Proxima Centauri, which is... Because it says those are an average of 4.3. This one's 4.22. So, it's technically closer. Nice.

I guess that average might be... So, two are closer than the one.3 this one's 4.22 so it's technically closer nice i guess that average so two are closer than the one on one day now do they know if there's planets around those stars so they um they didn't even know there were other planets for sure other than i know isn't that crazy so just a couple decades ago it's so amazing to me it's like shining a flashlight in the ocean yeah you know like that's what space is like. It's like you're moving a beam, but like things are constantly changing at different distances and you can see better under certain circumstances and you can see at different times. So like, it's kind of like a big existential party. You're like, I think I'm making sense of this.

And then there's all these theories. And then someone catches another angle. They're like, no, no, no. I mean, yes, a little bit of what you guys were thinking, but also and they're like fuck and they just keep adding to it but i don't know if we're gonna find necessarily anything um well when you talk to physicists about the subject and they try to explain to you how they even reach these conclusions and how they know that there's black holes out there in the first place. And these theories. Fucking, like these theories of multiverses. Yeah, that's my favorite.

And brains, the membranes that there's like. Yeah, M theory. Like lines of universes that we collide with each other occasionally. Yeah. What the fuck? That's what I think ghosts are, by the way. Which was like in Interstellar. Was it Interstellar? Mm-hmm. Yeah. With Matthew Modine. Is that the star? McConaughey. How dare you? I know. ghost star by the way which was like in uh interstellar was it interstellar one with yeah

with matthew modine is that the star how dare you i know i'm pretty sure it was modine guys different era oh my god remember that remember the russian training with the log yeah up the stairs yes no he wasn't russian he was no no no no he was the shoot oh yeah he was yeah he was like the he was the ultra guy boy, yeah. He was the ultra guy, right? Farm boy. Yeah. But there was a guy training that. Or was he training or was the opponent training?

Well, Matthew Modine was training crazy, but he was trying to drop weight to go down to fight this, to wrestle this guy that everybody was terrified of. Yeah, that's right. That's what it was. But was shoot the one that was walking with the log? Yeah. He was carrying a log up stadium stairs. That's right. That was so sick. And he was like super hardcore he's like you think

you're gonna make the weight he goes i hope so he goes i hope so too and just kept walking with the log that's so good see if you can find that scene that's so good i mean it's a great movie man it's it's a great thing because like that interaction right there is so genius because it's like tells you everything you need to know about both of those characters. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So they go there.

Here he is. There's a dude. This badass beast wrestler. Of course he's by himself. And his friend's got a fucking cool headband. Well, his friend was a fake Indian. Oh. His friend lied about being a Native American.

Oh, so he could get into college? No. Or cheaper? He just thought it made him look cool Do I know you? Loud and sweet, Thompson High Loud and sweet, Thompson High Can you play this over the air? No, don't, we'll get pulled Yeah

Think you're gonna make the weight? I hope so He's like, I hope so too I hope so too He's just walking I hope so too. I hope so too. He's just walking around with his log. Boom. And everyone's scared.

Fuck. That dude's pretty big. Yeah. For 80s. Yeah. Pretty good. Well, he looked like a real wrestler. Yeah, he looked real. Like guys like Mark Schultz when he was competing in the Olympics.

He was fucking jacked, man. Yeah. There were some jacked wrestlers back then. It still is, obviously. Yeah. It'sed wrestlers back then. Still is, obviously. It's one of the more physically intensive things you can do. You gotta add that protection. That muscle protects you. Yeah, it's also, I mean,

just wrestling all the time, you're gonna get strong. Oh, yeah. That too. You get a certain kind of strength too. You get that weird grip strength. Oh, man, I'm telling you, that shit is like,

it's like immediate, like violent amounts of strength, like for grips and stuff like that. Because I just remember my friend, he was a wrestler, and I was like, yeah, I don't know, wrestling, it seems pretty hard or whatever. He's like, here, let me show you a move. And I was standing, I was looking at him, and I just blinked, and I was just out of breath on the ground, on my back, just like. They're experts at throwing bodies around just

like oh i mean it's like strength grip and being able to torque shit and make shit happen i mean it's insane well if you think about things you do to get fit right like with sandbags and stuff people do a lot of like extreme things right they flip tires throw sandbags hammers yep they take heavy bags, too. They throw them over their shoulder. Oh, yeah. When you're wrestling, you're doing all that plus. And plus, it's resisting.

Plus, another thing is trying to get you. Right. Yeah, it's super active. It's like active strength is going to be a deeper form of strength. Yes, yes, yes. A range of motion strength. Yeah. That's why the worst kind of strength is like nautilus machine strength.

Yeah, yeah, weight-assisted machines. Not the worst kind of strength Is like Nautilus machine strength Yeah yeah Weight assisted machines Not the worst kind of strength I shouldn't say that Those things all have their purpose They're really good for Specific types of workouts And specific types of exercises

Where you're just trying to Fatigue the muscles Like A lot of Like a lot of strength And conditioning athletes Like to use those To bang out reps

Because it's They feel like There's less factors Going on in terms of Whether or not you could drop the weight when you're losing coordination because you're super exhausted. It's safer. But most people don't think it's ideal for sports specifically, for just overall strength because you're not getting balance with it.

Like if you go to heavyweights like freeweights, most people think that freeweights are superior to a machine because you've got to balance that thing, push it up, and you develop stability. You're actually holding the weight instead of just pushing against, like using your force against something that's lined up on tracks. Yeah, you're controlling it. You have to control it the whole way.

Yeah, so that's what wrestling is, but it's fighting back. It's even harder. Yeah, it's like on top of that. You've got a 180-pound dude who's also fighting back, and it's fuck. You're trying to pick him up

and move him around, and he's also trying to get you at the same time. Yeah, and it's all strategic, so you're on a strategic, instinctual level. Yeah. Then you hope your training

and your reflexes and your intuition. It's really interesting to watch like really skillful technical wrestlers because they go from one technique to another and they just chain wrestle. Like watching like a lot of those, particularly Russians. There's a lot of Russian, a lot of Soviet block athletes from years back even were like really, really technical with their wrestling. Really beautiful to watch them chain these techniques together

and do these different moves to try to achieve dominance. It's a crazy sport. Yeah. Whenever I watch it, it's like when I watch dance, I'm kind of moving with it. I mean, it happens with all sports, I suppose.

But wrestling, it's just like, like the energy when I'm watching it, which has been very rare, it you know i mean it happens with all sports i suppose but wrestling it's just like like like the energy when i'm watching it which has been very rare but in high school i used to see wrestling matches my friend was a wrestler and just be like oh yeah oh man oh it's fucking exciting yeah yeah it's cool because it's like it slows down it's fast it's slow it's fast. They're exhausted. They take a break. They go in. And then like nothing for a while. Like really just like slow moves. And then suddenly someone just does like this really weird.

And it just flips. And it's like I love that energy, man. It's a different thing than any other sport. Yeah, it's different than any other sport that's in the Olympics too. Like the Olympics you have boxing and wrestling. And then you have sports. Judo? Yeah, judo. Even Taekwondo. They have Taekwondo in the olympics too like the olympics you have boxing and wrestling and then you have sports judo yeah judo even taekwondo they have taekwondo in olympics too now but the thing is that those it's a different kind of sport man it's a sport where people get fucked up like those are different yeah they're just they're just different it's a different feeling when you're

watching it it's a different consequence when you fail yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean it's as close as you can get it's the closest thing to fighting oh yeah um i mean because fighting is mostly grappling it's a lot of it a lot it's not everything yeah but like at least what two-thirds maybe well no okay real fights it's really like a street fight or an MMA fight. Street fights go down pretty quick, right? Sometimes they do. But sometimes people get knocked out. Sometimes people can just get flatlined because they don't know how to strike, and someone does, and they punch them in the face.

That happens a lot, man. There's a lot of videos. I think I've seen some of those. Yeah, I mean, it definitely does happen that a lot of fights go to the ground. And I think jiu-jitsu is a great thing to learn, and wrestling is a great thing to learn because of that. The ability to manipulate someone's body is really important. But you also should understand what someone's doing

if they're trying to punch you. Some people just don't have any idea what's happening. And they just get bong. They're a fucking bell crack because they don't see a guy pulling his hand back. They don't see the shift in weight. They don't see someone about to punch them. they don't see where the punch is going to come from what direction that they have to avoid they don't see those things because they've never experienced it because they they don't have a training they don't have any training in striking

that's just that's fucking dangerous man that's what because if you lose to a wrestler or you lose to a jiu-jitsu guy a lot of times your wrestler might beat you up on the ground you might ground and pound you but yeah jujitsu guy's probably just gonna choke you but a kickboxer's gonna slam his fucking shin into your face you do not want that man you do not want that holy shit it's the worst way to lose the worst way to lose is to a striker oh you see this past weekend no this is the fastest ever knockout in ufc history this guy jorge masvidal knocked out this two-time olympic wrestler ben askren who's a beast of a wrestler and they knocked him out in five seconds because askren went to shoot to try to get a hold of his legs and masvidal ran at him with a flying knee and

hit him right in the face was while he's trying to bend forward that's legal yeah oh fuck yeah it's legal that's it right there boom oh, it's legal. That's it right there. Boom. Oh, fuck. It's all over the internet. You want to see it? Yeah. It takes five seconds.

It was one of those things where we watched it and we went, holy shit. Like, as it happened. Okay, is that us talking about it? That one down there. But that one down there. Oh, don't mind us. But you just turned away from it.

That wasn't it. But the one below it. That wasn't it. But the one below it. That wasn't it. It wasn't it? No. It wasn't it. Oh, it's other people talking about the reaction? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I see. It's definitely on Instagram, but apparently it's getting pulled left and right. Yeah, of course they're going to try to do that. But it's just a... Which is like, that's for everybody. I don't understand why they wouldn't... So let everybody have that. It's like, no, we need them to own that commodity.

But that's... It's good for everybody. It's not how the internet works either. You don't win fans. Here we go. So this is the beginning of the fight. Ready? This is round one?

Yep. Out cold. Five seconds. Good call by the ref, though. Yeah. It wasn't even really five seconds. He was out cold at three seconds. Someone did a time from here, boom, out cold.

Three seconds. And as the referee's running over to him, yeah. And why is he yelling at him? They hated each other. Really? Yeah, they hated each other. Jorge Masvidal said that guy was taunting him for like 10 years, talking shit to him.

So he couldn't wait to do that to him. Yeah. Now what? Well, Ben dusts himself off. He took it like a man. I mean, he really really did he went on a talk show and talked about it afterwards good yeah that's that's how you fucking do shit yeah yeah he's like look it sucks i don't like losing that guy he's a douche yeah right but they're

probably gonna end up being somewhat friend friendly later on down the line no you don't think so no masvidal said that if you saw him at uh whole foods it's not over he's still smacking him in the face even whole foods couldn't hold him back whole foods can't hold him back right in front of the kombucha the real gts kombucha the kind that you need a credit you're gonna show your id to get it's like no whole foods man that's like that's like hallowed grand you can't start a fight there it's like no he's willing to break the rules. I saw a fight at Disneyland on Instagram the other day. These were going out on Disneyland.

Some guy punched a chick, too. What? People were filming it, too. People were filming it, and these people were throwing down in front of their kids at Disneyland. Terrible technique, too. Everybody's terrible. Terrible. I love that the the equally uh disappointing aspect

of it oh it's a terrible technique it's the most disappointing it's like guys if you're gonna fight it's just learn some technique yeah i mean it's like someone's stealing the stage and playing bad guitar you'd be angry wouldn't you yeah sure of course you know what i'm saying yeah i get it no i'm i'm in complete agreement i think that that is kind of equally important because, hey, man, if people are filming. Yeah, people are filming. You look like a consensual fight. You look like you're trying to pretend you know how to fight. Yeah.

And the worst is the pulling off of the shirt. I don't even know how that even becomes like an instinct. It's actually a good move. Well, it's to keep you slippery, right? So you can like. Well, yeah, you don't want anybody choking you to death with your own jacket oh that's true yeah that's true well okay but i mean i guess in the videos that i've seen it's been mostly about like hey check out how jacked i am and like come on bro yeah yeah the end here did it i kind of look

like this dude got choked out but i couldn't quite tell what was going on here because he went down quick is that security and he might even been out for a second. So he's pulling that girl's hair. See? Oh, yeah, he's out cold. He's out cold. Oh, he dropped him. His head banged off the ground, too. That bald dude choked the shit out of him.

He's like, oh, I just killed that guy. I better get out of here. But, yeah, no charges were pressed because no one wanted to say what the fight was about. Hilarious. So it was a guy that was holding a girl's hair at the end? He said he got spit on, and then he went crazy. Wow. I don't know if that was the whole thing.

Isn't it funny that's all it takes? A little bit of water. A little bit of... Yeah. It's funny. I got all the things that make people go crazy. Spit in someone's face is like, wow. We're ready to go to war here. Yeah.

I mean, it is pretty could not have been like a biological weapon back in the day if you had some like small pox or some shit yeah like how dare you potentially infect me do you ever hear damon wayne's joke about uh when uh magic johnson came back to the nba magic johnson after he had hiv and then came back to the n He said Damon Wayans Who's in my opinion One of the most underrated comedians Of all time Still one of my all time

He's fantastic man All time favorites Are you kidding? But in one of his HBO specials He goes Everybody was avoiding Magic Nobody wanted to play defense He goes

Except Dennis Rodman He goes Dennis Rodman's like Listen I'll spit in your mouth And accelerate your symptoms Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god I'll spit in your mouth and accelerate your symptoms

this day that's one of my all-time favorite lines i hear that line i'm like god damn that's a great that is a crafted brilliant thing to think it's like it's like 180 it hurts that one hurts i'll spit in your mouth and accelerate your symptoms i No, he says, I'm sorry. I fucked Madonna. That's what he said. I'll spit in your mouth and accelerate your symptoms. Oh, shit. That was even more potent.

That's like some shit talking shit. That's the type of shit that wins the whole thing. Yeah, you got to walk away. Keep talking after that. He's like, no, that's it. You're not taking it lost like a man. Take it lost like a man take it lost like a man yeah yeah yeah maybe that's why spitting and it's also it's gross it's just gross i think it's just gross and so rude it's so fucking rude i mean when someone purposefully

spits at you yeah you're like i want to destroy you i would kind of understand that reaction she said think people were people were licking food at grocery stores and some girl is going to get arrested or she's facing 20 years or something. I don't know why.

I think it's a power that's happening. They thought it was funny to lick food and then know that people are going to buy it. Well, people think

it's funny to spit in people's food when they're serving it too. Yeah, it's weird. People are kind of gross sometimes. They'll get it any way they can, man. Yeah.

They'll get back. They'll get back at the world. Yeah. Do you take this? Shit position in life. It's like, no, I don't agree. Here's your salad. Sorry.

Yeah. I know. Mix it up. So you got to be nice to everybody. But we like swap and spit with people. Isn't that weird? That is really weird. Well well because that's consensual right yeah well not just that's consensual it's like it's pleasurable it's like even if it's consensual you don't want to be spitting in your mouth no because that's super fucking gross yeah but kissing someone's okay your mouth and they're like like that would be weird like you just spit my fucking this is gross

god damn it but if someone's kissing you and are tongues in your mouth and you're swapping, literally swapping spit, it's sexy. It's hot. We like it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad. I'm glad that I like that part.

Yeah. Because the other part, I'm just like, come on, man. The other part's weird. You can't. What's wrong with you? Why are you doing this? What the fuck are you doing? Why are you spitting in each other's mouths?

You don't need to do that. You could just choose not to. It's like the delivery method is what we have a real problem with. Yeah, exactly. Apart from the program, these two fucking football players do it. It's a giant lube in each other's mouth. That's a movie? Yeah.

So they really did do it for the scene? I'm pretty sure, yeah. Oh, they had to. Oh, fucking disgusting. They spit in each other's mouths. Well, I guess when you're playing football, you just want to be as savage as possible and you don't give a fuck you'll make out with a dude you'll fuck a couple of guys and then you go play football yeah because then you feel like you don't care you have the entire force of the universe behind you yeah people do things to let people know they don't

give a fuck yeah that's true that is true They do things like that. Have you seen Euphoria? What is that? The HBO show? No. It's fucking fantastic. Yeah. I think it's out now. You know what it is, Jamie? I've heard of it.

I've heard it's good. I have not watched it yet. What's it about? Ridiculous. It's basically about, it centers around a drug-addicted high schooler played by Zendaya. a high schooler played by Zendaya. And it's just about the modern, kind of modern generation high school experience through her drug addiction

or trying to overcome drug addiction or kind of realizing what is going on with her at that stage in her life. And it's just the culture of all the things that kids deal with these days. But it's done in a really, really hyper-beautiful stylized way. It's so crazy intelligent. It's amazing.

It really blew me away. I just went to the opening and was like, I don't know. I don't know what this is. And then the guy got up and talked about it because the writer experienced addiction and has been clean for 15 years. But that was his life back then as a teenager. And so they adapted it.

And it's great. But the reason why I bring that up is what were we talking about a second ago? What were we talking about before that? Spitting. Spitting each other's mouths? Yeah.

We went from that to people want to pretend they don't give a fuck or they want to let you know they don't give a fuck. Oh, yeah. That's exactly right. Yeah.

So there's like a great scene in the first in the pilot. It doesn't really give away anything. But one of the characters, she's in a kitchen and there's like a big bully dude, popular guy that's like getting in her face and being really threatening. And then she takes a knife and she just slices her arm. And she's like, stay away from me, motherfucker, or something like that. There's something more eloquent than she says. But that happens.

And then she introduces herself and leaves. She goes, oh, by the way, I'm Bob. And she walks out. But it's such an intense scene. It goes from the darkest of the darkest to like a practical. This person is really smart. The girl who cut her arm is incredibly smart. That's a crazy thing to do to someone.

Cut yourself in front of them. Yeah, cut yourself in front of them. It just shows you. It's like, I don't give a fuck. Like that's like the ultimate. What do you think I'll do to you? Yeah, exactly. And the guy was, everyone was just frozen.

They were like, I don't know what to fuck. There's just a bunch of high school kids in a kitchen. Pretty cool, pretty cool like character detail that just kind of like shows you everything about that character in a split second. Yeah. Jesus. Amazing. I love that shit. That's intense.

Yeah. I love when you don't know something's good. You don't know anything about it and then it turns out to be awesome. Yeah. It's the. Yeah. I love when you don't know something's good. You don't know anything about it, and then it turns out to be awesome. It's the best feeling. Previews are one of my favorite parts of going to the movies. I love previews. But yet, they ruin movies. Exactly.

I know. I'm the same way. I'm the same way. It's like peeking into a Christmas present. Like when you're a little kid, you're like, I'm going to just unwrap this bitch and rewrap it. It's a fucking TIE fighter. Oh, my God.

No, it's Darth Vader's. Yeah. A little fucking sneak. And then you have to ask and rewrap it. You have to act like it. Oh my God. I didn't even think

she was coming. Oh my fuck. And your parents are like let me look at that rabbit again. Yeah. Oh fuck. I have been caught. But that's almost like

what previews are. You get to see a little bit about what the movie's about. Yeah. Wouldn't it be better if you had no fucking idea? Yeah. I don't want to even know a synopsis. I don't know what King Kong is.

I bet you if you didn't know what King Kong was, like the newer King Kong. Yeah, you thought it was about a king. Yeah. In a land. You have no idea. And you sit down. You have no idea how the story's going to come out. And the moment you see the gorilla, you probably like holy shit yeah you know when he's fighting dinosaurs

and stuff you'd be like holy shit yep it would be so much better than you watch all those previews i heard the special effects are amazing on the new godzilla you know but you go to see it and it's like i've already seen it i know he's going to breathe fire out of his mouth i know what it looks like you've shown me yeah it's you know he's going to breathe fire out of his mouth. I know what it looks like. You've shown me. Yeah, my favorite trailers are the ones that just kind of give you a feeling of the world, and that's it. Like the new Joker trailer is sick. Yes. Perfect example.

It's great. It's a piece of art unto itself, but it's not giving away a lot. I mean, there's a lot of time. You see a lot of shit, and you kind of get an idea, but not really. It's a very art a lot. I mean, there's a lot of time. You see a lot of shit and you kind of get an idea, but not really. It's a very artful trailer. Yeah. But you got to have something. Otherwise, people aren't going to go to your movie.

I know. That's the problem. But remember Cloverfield? Yeah. When that came out and that weird ads that they would show would just be like, and that's all you heard. Yeah. Cloverfield.

You're like, what the fuck is this? Those are weird movies, right? Like those movies. Like this movie sucks because it was just filmed by people who were there. Well, yeah, right. The quality's terrible. The camera's going to be shaky. Yeah.

People are going to scream and drop the camera. It's going to bounce. And you're going to see like a shadow. But that was kind of new back then-ish. I mean, Blair Witch, you know, was kind of the starter of that. Bro, Blair Witch freaked me out the first time I went to see it i went to see it with chris mcguire uh comedian chris mcguire and a couple folks that worked at the movie theater across the street and they came to see us we were performing at the houston laugh stop okay and so they they we were talking to them before the show

and they're like hey we work at the movie theater. And I was like, oh, we're going to probably go there this weekend and see that Blair Witch movie. And the dude was like, hey, I have the keys. If you want, we can open it up tonight after the show. I was like, what? I was like, fuck, yeah. So it was right across the street. So me and McGuire, and I think there was like three of them that worked there, we all hung out and watched the Blair Witch together in a fucking empty movie movie theater they made popcorn and everything what dude was dope they had the key to the place so i mean if their boss found out there would be fucksville yeah so don't share this yeah we're

not telling anybody but this is like 17 18 years ago at the very i mean when that movie come out as long as that movie's a long ass time ago 1999 yeah 99 so yeah 20 fucking years ago and we were at the houston laugh stop that was awesome it was so cool what a great like flow of an event you know yeah you have a dope ass gig and then you're like oh yeah check this out yeah it was fun but that movie was like scared the shit out of you yeah it took me a while to get into because i remember dogma. Do you remember that crew? Yes. So I remember the celebration that had come out.

That was the first movie that I saw that was made all on, because they had those rules. Like, we only use natural light. We only use DV cams, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was great. It was interesting and weird. And oh, my god, that's kind of crazy. And then Blair Witch came out and had that kind of

vibe but a little bit more curated like narrative uh narrative but i was like i thought it was eerie but i really didn't get scared until the very very end yeah when when it's going down the stairs and then the flashlight is searching around and then sees that girl facing the corner yeah that fucked me up yes that that that one moment so the whole thing i was like ah it's pretty you know it's cool it's creepy okay well and then it just that thing i was like fuck you it was a strong closer it was a real strong closer i mean that's the way you go out yeah that's the way you go out but isn't it interesting that we like movies that are on film right we like that look yeah we do we like the things that are in the forefront and focus but everything in the back is just like yeah clear and fuzzy that's true it's got this like quality thing to it even though now we see videos that are very literal from phones

all the time we see that kind of imagery we still don't necessarily see you wouldn't see that in a movie theater necessarily you're too too distracted by all the outside images so if you're talking to like you and i are talking i'm focusing on you i know there's some stuff over the left and stuff over the right but i'm not seeing it the same way i'm seeing you yes right that's one of the reasons why, like, when you interpret video, like, you visually interpret video, it's a very weird distortion, even though it's the most accurate representation. Because you can't look at everything at the same time. So if you look at a photograph and everything is in focus, what kind of, what are you using?

What are you using to see things with? Because my eyes don't work like that. Yeah. My eyes are looking at you and everything around you. Like, I know there's a clock right here, but dude, I can't even read what time it is. It's right there. I can't read it. But now I can read it.

Right? Yes. Okay. You know, the stuff that's just a few inches to your left or right, and I literally can't see them. Yeah. It's just a tiny, tiny point that you're actually focusing on. Yeah.

It's focused on right in front of these things. Yeah. Right in front of the face. So that makes sense. Like, for focus, it kind of replicates the way that and it's also a storytelling mechanism right focus on this part you know yes it definitely is that yeah but also it's like it looks cooler it it just looks yeah it looks dope it looks pro you know it's it's a high res yeah maybe like a video camera like a regular standard consumer grade video camera almost takes clearer pictures oh for sure yeah it's it's

like if you ever put your phone in time lapse mode yes it looks like um the way it tracks when you're moving it over objects it's got a higher frame rate or something like that um but it makes it look like that pan and scan shit you know when you're watching sports events or whatever and it just looks wrong do you know like it's too literal there events or whatever, and it just looks wrong? Do you know what I mean? Like it's too literal or something too, the way everything moves just feels slightly off. Do you think that we're just accustomed to the way film looks, and then if we were accustomed to the way video looks,

then a film would look clunky to us? Like if everything started off as video, and then they said, you know what? It's not really good to have everything in focus.-huh it's only good to have some things in focus and back away some things are blurry and then they come into focus and actually enhances the filmmaking yes right yes like in a horror movie yes when something's blurry and then they zoom in on it and you see it's like a fucking monster hiding under the bed yeah oh no you're like that's not what i didn't want that to happen you've now just revealed exactly what i didn't want to see yeah yeah no i agreed uh yeah i don't know i mean i don't know but i know that you know people like film i think it just looks it's the texture of it

but now people like dv well it's like people like vinyl right there's people that are just diehard vinyl fans they like that sound yeah i mean you know i like i like i like anything you know but i'd like to i'd like to make sure that it's the best quality of it or the most natural use uh case for it you know you know it's like when people used to mix when people started listening more to music in their car that they could like put a thing that they bought in their car with an eight track or whatever or they bought in their car with an 8-track or whatever. Or they used to have record players for cars, too. But the way that music sounded, they also had to consider the mix of car speakers.

What does it sound like on car speakers? So going back to the Auratones and the NS10s and then the standardized car speakers that people test audio in. Right. And it's a different parameter, right? Because you're stuck in this little contained metal box. Yeah, yeah. So you've got to figure out how to mix the music. But generally, it's the sound system that has to be adjusted.

The sound systems have to, but you mix two. They kind of meet each other in the middle, but great hi-fi systems. Actually, it's a quick anecdote, but when I was in Seattle, I knew that I liked hi-fi systems, but I didn't know why they were so expensive. And so I went into this place, this guy named Leland, who was working there. I was kind of friends with him because I'd come in and I just scoped gear all the time. Just look at like, oh, I love audio gear. It's just really sweet. And then one day it was towards the end when they were closing, and he turns to me and says, hey, man, do you want to get your brain fried?

And I was like, what? What do you mean? And he's like, stick around. I'm like, okay. And he closed shop. A couple of his friends came in, closed the shop. It was like maybe five of us. Went into the back room, smoked some marijuana,

went into the showroom, the main room, where they have all the speakers and, the main room where they have all the speakers and all the different types of units. And he says, then he just kind of turns to us. We all sit down on the couch and he says, okay, you're going to listen to a, this is a system in total. It costs about $150,000. Whoa.

And then he just goes, proceeds and goes through and explains all of the stages that, you know, that the current is going through and what the music is going through and what's being played on, all the cables that are being used, all this stuff. And then I heard all of that, crazy speakers, like, okay, cool. He lowers the lights and he puts on a Bill Evans Trio record. I can't remember which one. And he just presses play and we sit down like within probably 30 seconds, people were crying.

Wow. And because it felt holographic. It felt like you were in the room with those musicians that were playing right there for you. And then I had the realization it's not the money. It's not about the money. It's about what does it take to engineer a machine that becomes invisible to the experience. And that kind of blew my mind. So whenever you're designing anything, it's like you're designing the experience.

The engineering should get the fuck out of the way. What was the medium? Was it vinyl? Vinyl, yeah. Wow. What do you think, like in your description, what is different about vinyl? Vinyl, yeah. Wow. Yeah. What do you think, like in your description, what is different about vinyl? Well, I mean, supposedly,

if you have a really nice quality piece of vinyl and it's cut really well, you get as close to the original mastered recording experience, like coming out of the studio, if you're talking about older tape. So whatever that final mix is, when someone plays it and they're like, it's been mastered, here's the stereo two-track,

we're playing the stereo two-track, it's been mastered. Excuse me, I'm a little wheezy. And that's what you hear. You hear it in the best possible context on the speakers that it was mixed on. Everything's optimal. So essentially, when a record is pressed, if it can mimic the stereo two-track, the master, which it does,

then you have something that for at least the first, I don't know, vinyl people will say how many times, but a record starts to wear down. But if you have a fresh press, you can run it a bunch of times before it starts to degrade. But in that state, you're hearing it like analog, super analog. It's like as analog as you can. How many times do you think you play it before it starts to degrade? I don't know. I guess it depends on the ears of the audiophile, but there's probably an average.

I don't know what it would be, maybe 60, 30, 40, 50 times. Now, is there a digital format that at least comes close? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. FLAC files. What is that? It's a file format. FLAC files are good. Usually 128, 96 kilohertz.

There's kind of a digital mastering standard. And that standard is basically what that that is what a record is so that's why you have like sites like hd tracks that i really dig you can get all your favorite out well not all it's not as big of a selection but you can get uh full resolution from like stereo two track master from the studio level quality in a digital format that you can buy and then put into a high-res player so i have a high-res player a hi-fi player and it runs the has really nice circuitry and all that stuff and use a really great pair of headphones and you've got the closest thing to a record that's repeatable infinite times and is the headphones the way to go or one of those crazy tower speaker jammies the way to go?

Well, it depends on your use case. Like if you're in a house and you want like a cool living room system or whatever, I would always opt for speakers. And not Sonos and not that kind of stuff. People, they dig it. But true, I mean, records are meant to be played off of two speakers with it's a 2.1 system unless it's specifically engineer which is very rare for like atmos or whatever the fuck but usually it's two speakers and a subwoofer so why would i not want to hear the music the way it's supposed to sound right however i understand the convenience of those speakers so

i'm not totally knocking it but for me if you're going to get a system for your living room if i can get a 2.1 system yeah you want it played out the way you want the sound to come at you the way it was recorded yeah otherwise it changes the experience yeah completely the the sonos and those types of things they they fake stereo henry rollins was on the podcast and he has this most preposterous setup in his house he is a gigantic audiophile oh shit a massive lover of music oh my god he collects all these albums and he even runs a radio show he doesn't i love his radio show yeah it's dope it's on kcrw yeah so these are these are the crazy fucking speakers he has in his house what the fuck and there's some what are those two hundred thousand dollars is what

they are oh i forget i have seen those i've seen pictures of that that's um who who makes this alexandria xlf is what they're called okay wilson alexandria how dope they look i mean it's disgusting look at those things you have to have their weapons you know like you you you have to pull back so we can see a big ass for full size of those, look, what a weird looking piece of equipment. It looks like a future robot. It looks like an ATM machine, right? Yeah, totally. Or like a display screen robot.

Yeah. Today, we have here, swipe here for you. Thank you for your business. Goodbye. So is the one that we're looking at on the right-hand side, is that the back? The back, yeah. Wow, look at all that shit in there. It shows the inputs.

I don't even know what the fuck all that stuff is. They have discrete inputs for each of the frequency spectrums, the different speakers. Ooh. Damn. Some people go deep. It's like everything, right? Look at it. That's what it looks like.

That's another one. Look at that goddamn monster's thing. I mean, it's beautiful. I mean, audio is- $200,000 for fucking speakers. Look at that guy. He's like, I have it it's beautiful. I mean, audio is... $200,000 for fucking speakers. Look at that guy. He's like, I have it all. Yes, yes.

No one will vanquish my spirit. Look at the fringe on my curtains. I am Heinrich Orwellens. That's crazy, man. Yeah, well, there you go. Good sound system in a car is amazing, too, man. Because you get a Mark Levinson. I have a Lexxus that has a

mark levinson system in it yeah it's just like the whole thing's engineered for the shape of the inside of the car yes so it just rings out and all these perfect places it's it's tight one of my favorite places to listen to music is a car and i was stoked to get my audi because i got the bno system in there and i've never heard better audio i mean i've heard some dope ass i think i have a i think the tesla uses levinson stuff i'm not totally sure people haven't been able to figure out but they should have by now but i remember like five years ago trying to figure out like who what is the premium audio system like what is it besides a premium audience and i couldn't get an answer someone figured out what the amp was but they couldn't figure out the speakers

that's interesting but um but the audi man bang banging olsen and i have some 18s at home they're uh it's a 2.1 system and it just finally started it kicked in and now it sounds amazing i was like really kind of disappointed for a while yeah it's weird there's almost changed yeah there's like a burn-in what i think there's a burn-in i'm not sure. Maybe it's totally psychological. Maybe you got better weed. Maybe I did get better weed. I mean, what'd you think of this weed, by the way? Fantastic. It's pretty groovy, right? Really good.

Yeah. It's not weighing you down. No, it's just a nice, friendly, like, you're fucking hot. But like, yeah, I feel good. It's good stuff. It's not like, ah! Yeah, you're not freaking out. I like it a lot.

What's it called again? Purple what? Purple Tundra. No, Purple... Rain? yeah you're not freaking out i like it a lot what's it called again purple what uh purple thunder no uh purple rain venom venom thank you jeez why does he know jimmy's got a great mind i know the great brain that's awesome purple venom purple venom that's legit yeah i have the the browns yeah and then there's like a subwoofer that looks like an egg Purple Venom. That's legit. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Are these speakers you got? Yeah. Oh, dope. Yeah, I have the Browns, yeah. And then there's like a subwoofer that looks like an egg. Yeah. And they're great because I have my house kind of mid-century mod.

What's that mean? Mid-century modern. Oh. That's me trying to. Why is it? I don't know. Why is it so funny? I think it's hilarious.

It's the first time I think I've said it out loud. So you sounded it yourself? Yeah. You're already saying, what's wrong with me? Mid-century mod. That's funny. Oh's the first time I think I've said it out loud. So you sounded it yourself? Yeah. You're already like, what's wrong with me? Mid-cinch mod. That's funny. You're going to love this. The curtains are provided for.

You'll notice that the overall layout is mid-cinch mod. The only people I don't trust is when I go over to their house and they have a minimalist setup, like where they have like plastic chairs that don't look like they have any cushion and a flat table with nothing on it and everything's small and there's nothing there i'm like what are you doing yeah i know did you show me your clean brain yeah you're a fucking psychopath what's happening here where's the where's the soft surfaces where's the place to chill i you know i i like what i dig is that mid-cinch mod furniture yeah i don't even know what that is. You know, like, was it Jules? Venn Jules?

No, Jules. I forget what it is. I think he's a Swedish or Danish architect or furniture designer. Finn Jules. That's it, I think. And he makes these, like, you've seen these chairs before, but the originals are just, it's such a great work of art. It's like sturdy, comfy, but light enough that there's like a bar in the back that's just made to grab and you can just throw it around. But when it's set up in a room, it looks substantial and it looks comfortable, but super lightweight.

So their idea was like to be super modular, really easy to move for company. This right here? That's not quite it. I just typed in furniture. Oh, yeah. I typed in furniture oh yeah century yeah what was his name fin jewel spell that f-i-n-n yeah jewel maybe j uh j-u-h-l yeah like that orange one right there yeah that's like one one does one design but that one has that that extra thing and that's not how mine are mine are are just like, it's just a back and no arms, but the same shape.

And you sit in them, and they're just great. They're like firm, but comfortable. Like you feel active. Like you could get out of it if you needed to. That right there? No. What does it say at the top? That's his sit.

Fin, F-I-N-J-U-H-L. Maybe try classic or something like that. It's cool looking stuff though. Yeah. It's, I don't know if they'll have the classic chair. Look at the grasshopper chair. Yeah. It's so weird when you have a chair that's that low to the ground.

That's too low. Mine are not like that. Mine are like. The good thing is you can keep your feet in front of you. Yeah. Like the. Stretch your legs out. Like that 109 chair. Like chair, that kind of stuff.

So it's like normal chair height, but it's beautifully designed, but it's minimal. And for my living room, I like the idea that I could just move my furniture, and if people wanted to dance or whatever, we could just do that. And you don't have to be, oh, fuck. Hey, we need help. One person could literally grab both chairs and move them. Right. And you don't have some bullshit

sitting there that could break yeah yeah careful yeah totally hey guys don't go near the end table guys I'm really sorry

about that hey easy easy with the end table hey hey hey hey hey hey hey Eric rock and roll music has got everybody crazy

Jesus Eric all these fancy speakers I told you Ibiza chill out mixes only yeah you need a chill out mix for late night. Or like really groovy Jobim stuff, you know,

it's like Brazilian bossa nova. What are your thoughts on streaming services? Like music? Yeah. Like Tidal and stuff like that? Well, things like Spotify and Pandora, these Apple Music, these streaming services. I think they're convenient, but I don't quite trust the quality yet.

And I have a lot invested in iTunes, but I started using Tidal only because it's the less, that seems to be the least popular of all the streaming services. But it's Jay-Z's company. And not that I'm a Jay-Z fan, I just like that it's owned by an artist. Right. And that they focus on super high-end codecs for their streaming.

So it's like the highest quality possible for streaming. Since then, Spotify claims to have it. I don't think Apple does it yet. Anyways, but I like the title. So I mean, i guess the idea being as long as it's fair for the the artist you know the deal for streaming and how streaming streaming is calculated and how that turns into revenue for on the revenue side of things uh that's really that's the biggest concern it's the revenue side of things because it seems like

that's where the this whole thing was like the wild wild west when it got started and the the way the parameters were established it's not in favor of the artist it's in favor of the people that run the streaming companies they're the ones who make the substantial profits yes absolutely yeah the companies do but all they have is the work of artists i know which is why it's so crazy that they make most of the money because they provide a platform all they have is you don't sell shit without artists if every artist is like nah fuck you yeah and you don't have anything yeah you have nothing you don't sell anything yep like you're selling tomatoes and you don't even grow them yeah you want most

of the money like if you were a tomato store and you got your tomato from a farmer and the farmer to do all this fucking work to make the tomatoes and they sold them at your store but you got almost all the money yeah i know i know it's totally crazy it doesn't make any sense and then you couldn't grow tomatoes with any other farmer for the next 10 years afterwards oh yeah that's right yeah because they tie you up yeah yeah you have to make commercials about these tomatoes but you have to pay for them now you know it all comes out of your profit not ours yeah fuck that it's crazy it's all about it's all about direct economy you

know i mean like that's that's the way that's where we are now i think yeah i think that's where we are where we're headed i think that's definitely i don't you know i i can barely that's why i want to kind of do my own streaming stuff like that i don't want to be in tied up into with another company that utilizes behavioral statistical data to increase their algorithms for targeted advertising. Like that's not really interesting to me. Yeah, I think with a guy like you too, just build it and they will come. And then advertisers who resonate with your sort of mindset, they'll find you. There's plenty of cool CBD brands and fill in the blank of cool companies that would be more than happy to advertise on something that you'd have a guaranteed audience of a certain kind of people.

Yes. Totally. Totally. I think it's great. And I think also just having a direct store, too. I just love the idea of whatever I make, it's just sold to the store. And you're just paying me, and I'm getting it, and you're getting the thing, and that's it. Yeah, I mean, you've worked for a bunch of different companies before, done things.

It can be great. You can work with a bunch of wonderful people, or it can be a disaster. You've got some time suck in the middle of the fucking mix, and they just demand too much attention. There's too much conflict and nonsense and yeah interpersonal drama and sometimes people start fucking oh yeah people that work together start fucking and then you have to hear the opinions of both of them while you pretend that you don't know that they're fucking that this is weighing heavily on the way they're communicating with everybody else like oh yeah that's uh supporting each other and you're supposed to support them too now their relationship has

become center stage in your office. That's one of the reasons why people don't want office romances. Not even just because women don't want to be harassed by men that are trying to fuck them all the time, so just say no one can do it. But also because once a relationship does happen, one of two things is that either it'll go great. Everyone's involved. Yeah, either it'll go great and everyone's going to be a part of it. So your relationship becomes a part of the whole ecosystem of the office.

Or it'll go terrible and people have to pick sides and or one of you has to leave. Yeah. Like, so, or. Bad juju. You, if you're amongst the most miraculous of people, you have a amicable split and you become really good friends afterwards. You still work together with no problems. You even other's spouses yeah right it is possible it is possible it's happened i'm sure it's happened yes but much much more rare much if i was running a company

i'd be like listen you guys can't bang each other yes i know it sounds gross i know that you're here all day but the problem is like what if you met the girl of your dreams on a job that was your dream job you're like shit what do you do you have to make the decision this is like a fucking jennifer lopez movie right yeah totally like like two it's called too successful i don't give a fuck about this job jennifer i want to be with you play the music it's like no you don't have to quit i'll quit quit. Yeah, fuck this. But I've got to quit. No, you can't. And then they decide to start their own firm.

Yeah, if it was a real chick movie, the girl would have the smaller paycheck, too. And the guy would lose the bigger paycheck. And she would come home from work, and he would be wearing a fucking apron. And he would be mopping. Yes. That'd be great. Well, i guess i should get used to it like that's how it is my life now like fell in love with the perfect job i gave up my perfect job for the perfect woman yeah yeah that would suck if you had the dream job but you met a girl

there who she was single and she was into you and you're both into each other and you're like god damn it what do you do you start banging and don't tell anybody that's what you do right probably or if you're like super pro and super committed you just figure out a way not to and just kind of maybe come up with an agreement or something i don't know plot your exit yes you gotta plot your eggs always know your exits while you're lying about banging each other. Yes. Yeah, you got to lie. Got to lie and say, yeah, I'm going to the movies tonight with my friend Melissa. Meanwhile, you're going over to Todd's house for some dick.

That sucks. That's such a terrible way to laugh, guys. Don't do it. It's not worth it. Well, the most terrible is probably living in the closet. That's probably the most terrible. It's a super unnecessary one, I think well in some cases not at all yeah well it's also like it's symbolic of you know we all have things in the in a closet i mean that's like that's like a pretty big level that's noticeable by many many people but in a way it is a metaphor for like there are a lot of

things that we don't allow ourselves to sure like let people know about and well especially in the corporate world right you're you're forced to present a air quotes professional image and this enhances your ability to earn a living it enhances your ability to be successful inside that corporate structure so you you literally have to play a role all the time which is why if you talk to women who are dominatrixes one of the things that that they say is the guys who really like to get kicked in the balls and shit on are the guys who run businesses. The guys who are like. Yeah, they need to feel it. Yeah. That's funny.

They need to feel alive. They need a kick in the balls. They need someone pissing in their mouth. They need to get smacked. They want to get crazy because they're so buttoned down all day long. They can barely take it. You're so lucky, Reggie. they're so buttoned down all day long they can barely take it god you're so lucky reggie you're so lucky an artist you're so lucky son of a bitch i love it someone's in a cubicle right now mad at you fuck him no man you guys can live your dreams i mean

i don't know i mean it's harassing people about credit card loans. Yeah. I know. Well, you know, we could be, more of us could be more creative, but we're not really designing as a society to support that. Yeah. You and I can't fix the streets. We can't fix the streets. No, but we can inspire people to- To fix the streets?

Yeah. Of course. I mean, you know, sometimes it just takes a little kick in the, in the yarbles. Like I was having a conversation with my friend the other day. We were saying, he was saying, you know, you kind of really need all kinds of people cause there's all kinds of jobs

that you don't want to do. And I was like, yeah, we're having a problem with our exterminator. And I'm like, but like, could you imagine a dude who's really cool? Who's into killing rats?

Like that's what he does for a living. He just fucks rats up. That's his whole deal. He kills rats. I know, I know. There are people that just sort certain types of screws on an assembly line all day long that's what they do somebody needs to do that otherwise it's not going to get done well you know i mean theoretically you know robotics so when people fear like robotics taking over jobs and things like things like that theoretically the positive side of that is if

society has organized themselves in a way that ensures that people remain productive aside from these automations because it's taking away the menial tasks, the repetitive tasks. Bullshit jobs. Then we're able to allocate more brain power to the economy if that's the way it's viewed. It's rad. I think it's a welcome thing. And I think, yeah, there's fear of the unknown and things like that. But if the government helps or there's a transition that's at least considered, it could be really, really beneficial. Well, how do you feel about things like universal basic income?

How do you feel about that? I mean, that's – Because that's what people are going to need if we get to a point where millions of jobs vanish overnight because of automation which could happen you're looking at a i mean i don't know what i'm talking about but if i did i would say you'd look at a nationwide version of what happened in detroit when the auto industry backed out well yeah i mean i don't know i mean i don't know like the universal i mean i it kind of makes sense but i also don't know about the successful models and the non-successful implementations because obviously with societies, it becomes a lot more complicated because it's people and people are complicated. And so when you say there's universal income for – there's a base amount that everybody will have. You don't have to worry about certain things, right?

There's a base amount that everybody will have. You don't have to worry about certain things, right? Well, transitioning out of the current state, the mind state that we're in, some people are just going to try to blow it all and then they'll go into debt. And then maybe. Or maybe you design the system to be really foolproof and it's just a commodities base. So people can only get the value that they're guaranteed as, uh, you know, rent being paid, actual food, you know,

actual things. So they don't have access to the money. I don't know. If you don't give them the access to the money, you don't give them adequate choices in terms of where they can get their food. Like I'm not, I'm not in favor of that because if you had like a government place where they had groceries, you can go get your groceries for free.

That place is going to be disgusting. It's not going to be whole food because there's no competition. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, maybe no incentive it's not going to be whole because there's no competition you know i'm saying yeah well maybe there's no incentive for excellence well maybe if it was like a you know some kind of a card or something associated like an apple pay type thing so you just you go to whatever store you want to similar to like a welfare card or food yeah like food stamps yeah exactly but a little bit more framed differently right like you'd have an account with the government where every month you'd get like a thousand dollars cash and and $500 in food.

Yeah. Maybe something like that. Yeah. And then there are rewards for moving out of that, phasing out of that. Right. I think the way Andrew Yang has it structured, everyone would get it. You could opt out of it. Like say if you were doing well like yourself, you could opt out of it.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I like that. doing well like yourself like you could opt out of it oh that's cool yeah i do like the everything thing because as soon as you just you make something specifically for a certain population especially when you're talking about that type of thing it it it's not it it doesn't it doesn't work i mean conceptually it's just better when everyone knows like oh you have it i have it there's something that binds all of us that we're all in common obviously this billionaire doesn't need it but there's just a precedent for people that make a certain amount of money they're suggested to like you know offset that like put it back into the system so there's more money right for people that need it whatever but i think like saying it's for everybody is kind

of a smart thing to do i like that everything yeah the idea is that you have equity in the corporation that is the United States of America. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. That's weird. Particularly if you're thinking about natural resources. When you imagine the enormous profits that someone gets from natural resources, the idea that you own the oil that's under the ground, who's decided that? Why have we decided that you can go a mile off the ocean stick a

fucking tube into the ground suck out all the oil and make a trillion dollars like who said who said you could do that that's not even your ground yeah so the what the government is giving a license to bp and bp drills holes a mile offshore and then they suck all the oil out and they make billions and who's getting that money and how much does the government get and how much is a bp paying for that contract and why doesn't that money go to the people that live in the country because if the people live in the country the country's a corporation the corporation is the one that owns this water yeah they're the ones us so the idea would be that you would we all profit from it, and they would make substantially less than they make now. And then instead of these people making billions and billions of dollars for something that's not even theirs,

that profit would be split evenly around the country in terms of infrastructure and replenishing impoverished communities and community centers and trying to figure out a way to engineer out all the horrific neighborhoods use the natural resources yes i mean that would be wonderful like they've had to pay some people for fracking they've had to pay some people off because they just ruined their their their neighborhood like there's people that live in a place that's like fully toxic now yes what do you got jamie i saw this the other day this is from the original spill in 2004 it's been going on consistently oh yeah it's still leaking they said the 14 year old gulf oil spill is leaking up to 4 500 gallons a day they found that it was many many times more um oil was leaking out than they thought it was so that's still that's going into the ocean

right now from that stupid oil pipeline yeah the quicker that someone figures out an alternative energy that's kind of what i'm saying it's like it needs to happen this is ridiculous it's just it's everyone's doing the easy thing right now and it's just feeding the again the the capitalist machine is just like no that's okay. That's acceptable. But you and I have righteous virtue because we drive electric vehicles occasionally. That's,

that's true. I do feel a little bit better. I feel better than people when I drive my Tesla. Hmm. You assholes. Yeah. They're poisoning the world. You know,

I feel, I only feel better driving my Tesla only in that it's just faster. It's just faster than almost everything on the road yeah it's like time machine that's the that's exactly what i call it i always say like if if there's a location that i want to go to i appear there yeah i don't just go you're over there it's just like and you have that p100d which is the one i have which is the monster one it's crazy and. And it's, meanwhile, that fucking new thing that they're coming out with,

the roaster, is going to be a half a second faster, 0-60. Yeah, it's, well, 1.9, 1.8, theoretically. 1.8 seconds, 0-60. I think they've changed his take on that. I think he recently said it's 2.1. Oh, are you serious? Yes. Okay. People were

very disappointed. I'm very disappointed, because you've got to break the two barrier what kind of nonsense is this i know where's my point where's my tenth of a second it ain't gonna matter kids the fucking thing's ridiculous are you kidding it's just a fucking weapon yeah it's it's it's insane but it also has 600 mile range yes that's what i heard which is just insane to me i just love that it's a tinier car it's like the fastest thing ever at least there's only going to be maybe three other road legal cars that you could buy that would get to that that level super cars are going to look obsolete compared to that oh yeah i mean well the thing i'm excited about is the pennant farina electric car oh that's all designed completely in-house and i don't know when it comes, but I don't know if you find a picture of it. It is the nastiest piece of tech.

Don't let the Italians make the engine, though. Trust me. Yeah, I don't think so. I think they're leveraging. Do not let my people design things. You let them design the way it looks, but all the wires, they're barely paying attention. They're staring at girls' asses, eating spaghetti.

I guarantee you. that's so funny it's so true you like germans and japanese make reliable cars yes they make their engineers oh there's that whoa damn that is a goddamn batmobile yeah she'd be nasty wow that's a real car oh yeah when's that coming out um i think orders are happening there you go 2.5 million jesus christ yeah where's all this money coming active arrows how many shakes are there i mean come on look at that look at that fucking thing and it borrows a little bit of like ferrari la ferrari has a little bit of japanese styling it has a it's the perfect blend of like all the good things about like tech looking cars you know what it's a it's the perfect blend of like all the good things about like tech looking cars

you know what it's like it's like a ferrari 488 yes but one that fuck 1900 alexis lfa oh yeah yeah yeah yeah that's yeah i got that hundred 1900 how many newton uh pounds of torque i don't know what i have to say whenever they say that, Newton meters. I don't get it. Those European ones, I'm like, what are you saying? I don't feel it. All I know is what is high, and then I base it off of that. It's funny, too, that we still use horses.

I know. How stupid is that? Look at that. See? We use people power. Less than two seconds. But it's an electric vehicle. And I'm sure Byton has one coming out

that looks really cool. It goes 186 miles an hour in 12 seconds. Jesus Christ. So 12 seconds later you're going 186 miles an hour. Is that real? Look at that control cockpit. That's what I like about cars like that.

It better look amazing. It's a fucking house in the hills. It's a house in the hills you know what it's a house in the hills i'd get it wow if i if i could i'd get it would you oh yeah easily i definitely want to get the roads i'm thinking about the roadster i'm getting that bitch you got to man come on got to i mean it's not that i mean for 250 grand no you're getting a car that like that's that's a what is that what was it again what do you keep showing us jamie you just flip into you don't even pay attention now check out jamie's on a rabbit hole he went down to youtube i want to see what lotus was doing what was the other one what's that pull

the Tesla roadster oh yeah that that thing's badass what is the other one rimac concept two oh i don't know it's a i think there is a door handle for the roadster you just oh yeah you slide your finger down. What? I mean, who knows? Oh, that's going to leave you stranded in the parking lot. And it's not using that steering wheel. I don't know why they do that. They do that for concept cars. No side view mirrors, which now is actually becoming legal, which is great.

Why would they have no side view mirrors? Because it looks sexier. But so what? It looks more sleek. Does it really bother you? I get it. That's like if you're a dude and a girl's really hot but she has a chipped tooth oh no no no that makes that makes that makes it better that's that's

like that's character man that's beautiful so why do you need uh why don't you want side mirrors i want to see it just creates a cleaner line fuck a clean line i want to see what's going on well have you die i want to see what's behind me man well the new honda all electric car that's basically kind of like a like a gulf kind of an e-golf but it's a fully new car it's got uh it's got the camera system with the side view mirrors they're just right on the edge of the dash right where the mirrors kind of would be and the guy the guy who was doing a review of it one of the few guys who's gotten to drive it said that it just blows you away you're like why have a car has been like this forever because it gives you an accurate full-time view of what's going on and the rear view mirror is

also a screen uh maybe that's what tesla's no pillars no pillars what what are you laughing at make fun of this car why am i making fun of it no go back to the house look at this we're doing some honda it's cute e go back to the tesla it's also got the most ridiculous turning radius it's turns tighter than a london cab good yeah because it's got a stick in the ground yeah just it just plants a pole in the ground and then it just rotates yeah yeah the roadster is is evil i don't think it's really gonna come out in 2020 i don't think so either i think it's gonna get pushed back yeah but it's just such a gorgeous it does have some active arrow i think in the the spoilers active it's just cool looking it looks like what a car supposed to look like in

2020 exactly yes reggie watts let's wrap this bad boy up let's do it um people want to follow you on social media is that possible only if they want to and it's at um uh reggie watts at twitter and uh instagram it's reggie watts and sometimes reggie watts.com that's about it we gotta do this more often for real let's do it yeah it's so much fun such a cool journey man really fun really fun thanks for the awesome weed purple venom of course on point young jamie salutes goodbye everybody ah that was good man on point. Young Jamie, salutes. Goodbye, everybody. Ah, that was good, man.