The Joe Rogan Experience - #1326 - Maynard James Keenan

Episode Date: July 29, 2019

Maynard James Keenan is a singer, songwriter, producer, winemaker, and actor, best known as the vocalist for Grammy Award-winning rock band Tool, Puscifer, and A Perfect Circle. Look for TOOL's catalog coming to streaming services on August 2 and their new album "FEAR INOCULUM" releases on August 30.

Young Jamie, three, two, one. Ladies and gentlemen, my favorite farmer. You're my favorite farmer. I'm your favorite farmer. Yeah, I don't know that many of them, but you're number one. All right. I have a feeling that I don't quite farm the things you would rather use. What do you mean, like marijuana? Is that what you're trying to say?

I wasn't going to say it, but if you're going to bring it up. I love wine, dude. You make fucking killer wine. Okay. I'm a fan of your wine. Excellent. There you go. I've yet to try your food, but I want to. I didn't even know what an osteria was until I talked to you.

See? I didn't know. Or that you use falcons to kill birds in your vineyard. That fucking thing you sent me is dope as fuck. Yeah. So you have hired a person and a couple that raises falcons to kill pigeons that are fucking with your food starlings sparrows anything anything that's messing with the grapes they have these falcons come through and then the thing is the collective birds in

the area they'll have a memory of that so like if you have this hawk come through the the vineyard and they just pulverize and there's feathers everywhere that the community of birds kind of go, I don't think we should go this way. We should go that way. The cage with the feathers everywhere. And then the pigeons on the other side is like, what? Yeah, that's a snack. I was in Venice recently last week. I'm still jet lagged.

I'm completely fucked. I haven't slept solid in five whole days. My body does not know what's going on. I'll go to sleep completely exhausted, and I'll wake up two hours later feeling like shit, and I can't go back to sleep. But when I was in Venice, there was a guy with a falcon. He had a falcon with him. And I was like, why does this guy have a falcon?

And then the fucking pigeons come in like crazy. And when the guy's there with the falcon the pigeons just ghost they're gone they take off so this guy stands there by the dock in venice as the gondoliers pull up and uh he's just got this falcon just sitting there to so that the people can eat their food the pigeons are insanely aggressive it's a ridiculous place until they they see. They see that falcon. Done. Fuck this. Yeah. Have you ever seen videos online where the Mongols use eagles, golden eagles, to hunt for wolves? Come on.

Dude, it's wild. An eagle, which weighs like what, 15, 20 pounds? They fuck wolves up. These wolves are just running for their life as death swarms down from the sky. We were going to use the drone to get some footage of the falcons. And we're like, she's like, yeah, that's probably not a good idea. And I'm like, yeah, because the blades. He goes, no, no, no, your drone.

Because the falcons will go full force into your drone and destroy it. So whatever you paid for it, try going to your insurance company and going, hey, my drone broke. What did you do? Flew near a falcon. They're going to go, yeah, good luck. Well, parrots and falcons,

don't they go like 200 miles an hour? They're the fastest animal on the planet. Boom. Fuck what? 200 miles an hour? Yeah, destroy your drone. I mean, that doesn't even make sense. Oh, this is the Mongols.

So look, these dudes run. The wolves are running away. The wolves know the fucking drill too, man. And this eagle just comes down and jacks the wolf. And that's how they skin these wolves. Look at that. Two of them. Boom.

Good God. Yeah, they are death from the sky. And these guys raise them and then they wear the wolf hat yeah they will the skin the furs everything but it's just so so that's it what are we talking about what do you whatever you want to talk about fella i hear you got some news yeah so i figured i know there's a lot of uh there's probably some tool fans that'll probably tune into this specifically to hear some news. Yeah. So rather than being a dick and waiting till the end to tell them, we should probably tell them up front.

Are you, like, softening in your age? No, not at all. I just care. I care about as long as things are taken for us, because we're a very difficult band. We're very stubborn, and we're kind of ignorant to what goes on in the rest of the world. And so people are like, guys, come on, guys. ignorant to what goes on in the rest of the world and so people are like you guys come on guys uh and you know i mean to their credit like we did the whole betamax thing didn't work for us and neither did laser discs so we have this new thing called digital media and streaming we're

gonna try it out you're gonna stream it's a new thing it's a new thing streaming uh so you can just get it oh like Spotify That kind of deal Yeah You heard of it Yeah It's just brand new It's brand new Yeah it like works On your phone or something

To us it's brand new What are you doing with it We're gonna put some songs on it Oh so you can listen Yes When you're not even Like plugged in to anything Correct

Wow So here's what I'm gonna do now Because this is By the time this actually airs This will have already happened But you're filming me doing it Right You're gonna upload a tweet.

I'm going to do a thing. Let everybody know. I'm a tweaker. Do you have it prepared and everything? Not really. So you're doing this because your fans, which are very rabid, you have rabid fans. The Tool fans are particularly enthusiastic. They're pretty aggressive.

Well, it's because you guys are awesome. Thank you. You fucked up. You made an awesome band. You got some radical aggressive. Yeah. Well, it's because you guys are awesome. Thank you. You fucked up. You made an awesome band. You got some radical fans. Okay. So when you release this podcast, the idea was that if you said it on the podcast without letting them know first.

Yeah. They deserve to hear first. They've been very patient with us. Very patient. So this Friday, August 2nd, the catalog. The whole catalog. The catalog goes up. On Napster.

On Napster. Are you familiar with Napster? I've heard of it. It's great. That Lars guy is really upset about it. Yes. You should talk to Lars about this. He's got a whole thing.

He's going to try to figure out how to undermine them. Yeah, he's going to stop it in its tracks. The catalog goes up on all digital and streaming. He's doing this on his phone right now as we're talking. Streaming. So up until this time, you never have had anything up and available. No. You're like, what's his name?

Garth Brooks? Yeah, he doesn't have anything up either. No comment. Garth Brooks doesn't, he just wants his, but it's kind of like a good artistic choice. He doesn't want his stuff to be broken up into songs. He wants you to download or to buy his entire CD because he feels like there's a correct

order for his songs he says that that's what he says yeah we tried to we tried that one before and people feel like no no we want you to hear a whole album as you know in sequence and people like like you play them live like oh yeah we've never played Right Straight start to finish But of course I'm not the guy that said Oh no we want you to hear Yeah That's cause that would be

An absolute Lie You know Yeah Garth Brooks Has some weird things Of course Garth Brooks is being Currently harassed

And away we go By Tom Segura So it's up There you go It's up there Beautiful It's out there in the ether It's out there in the ether So It's out there in the ether.

So why have you guys not had anything on streaming up until this moment? Yeah. No, I can't. I love my brothers. I'm just going to take the fifth on that one. Okay. So there was some sort of internal discussion. Or no discussion.

Or no discussion. Yeah, just the typical tool time of like what was there was a meeting well again this is what you get with great artists you don't get great artists who are also the best promoters correct the ones who are the best promoters usually they're not the best artists here's what here's also what we're gonna do today yeah you're doing nothing is this like one of them late night things where you're selling knives? Oh, yeah. You want an extra?

Yeah, do you want a knife? Because I sell them. They also have some old stock in beta. You got samurai swords and shit. Yeah. No, I'm going to announce the name of the new album. Ooh. You like that?

Yeah, you're doing it on your phone first. Fear. Of a black planet? Fear of a black planet. That sounds catchy. fear inoculum white guy spinning on an album called fear of a black planet would fucking really go over well and yeah that would be the least woke thing you could do in 2019 would buy the first copy uh fear inoculum is the name of the album fear inoculum who'd you say would buy the first album? I'm not going to say that again.

I didn't hear what you said. I might have said Cowboy Charoney. Cowboy Cerrone? Yeah. Why would you say that? I don't know, because he wears that cowboy hat, and I just assumed that. He's got a lot of black friends. Does he?

You're out of line. I'm totally out of line. He trains with all these black guys. So now he's going to be mad at me. Now I've got to apologize to him. He'll think you're joking. He probably won't hear this. He's probably too busy jumping a jet ski over a bridge.

I'm just jealous of his hat. August 30th. You can get one of them hats. You've got some money. You've got a hat of your own. Yes, I do. It's like a Sinatra hat. If you weren't so cool, that would be a douchebag hat.

That's some Breaking Bad shit right there. I like it. You like that? I like it on you. I like it on you. It looks good on you. It does. There's things that people, like you could pull off one of those buckskin pioneer jackets

with the fray. You could pull, you know, what is that stuff called? The tassels that hang down from the sides of the jackets? And away we go. And away we go. You put it on Instagram as well. I just put it on Instagram first. You're a madman.

We'll get it on Twitter in a minute because I've got more important things to talk about. Now people will shut the fuck up. They'll leave you alone. I like that little setup, too, that you got there with the laptop slash iPad. I didn't know that they made that kind of a case that doubles as a keyboard. Yeah, it's great. Look at you. All right.

Farmers with technology. Right. Beep, beep, boop, beep, beep, beep. So how's the wine business? it's good uh we're a little late this year um things are about two weeks behind so i wanted to ask you this because this is something that like a lot of people that are dealing with in the arizona area that you guys had a lot of rain right yeah yeah so i know like hunters and people that are like into the wildlife and everything that are really excited about this fall because there's so much moisture.

It's like the animal population to be very healthy. Yes. And I mean, it's, you know, with anything, there's always going to be both sides of that. With extra rain in the spring comes extra foliage, extra ground cover, extra grass. Right. And they fuck with the root systems. No. Then there's extra fires because then when the rain dries up you have all this extra fuel yeah so fires there's probably you get a lot of those a pretty intense fire season i've been evacuated

three times yeah i got evacuated in october it came real close burnt three houses right in front of us we we were in the epicenter of that Woosley fire. Oh, God. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. But, you know, it sucks and it's terrible, but if you live through it, the thing that it lets you know is you're not your shit.

You're not your stuff. Oh, yeah, absolutely. When we left, you know, we had to wake our kids up at 2 o'clock in the morning, and I said to my wife, I'm like, you know, we, absolutely. When we left, you know, we had to wake our kids up at 2 o'clock in the morning. And I said to my wife, I'm like, you know, so we're fine. I'm just grabbing my laptop and some fucking underwear. You know, you go to the store and buy new pants.

I'm like, if you lose all your stuff, you're alive. The only thing I know, I make sure I know where it's at is the photo album. Yeah. The photos that I haven't scanned or whatever. Right. On my cloud or whatever. Got the photo album and the dogs and then remember to grab the family. Yeah. Remember that.

That's important. But yeah, it's like natural. There's something crazy, but that's one of the things that I really do miss about living on the East Coast with horrible winters is that there's something comforting in the brutal force of nature that just forces you to recognize that you are helpless you're helpless to the blizzard yeah michigan i remember you know the drifts on the side of the road fuck five feet ten feet yeah it's crazy you still make it you still make your way to school you get there you get there but it's something about people are so fucking cool

when it when it's really snowy. Like everybody's more humble. They're like, oh, shit. It's like it puts you in your place. Yeah. It's good. Yes. We talked a while ago. We were just talking about this idea of this sit down.

Remember I kind of talked about that a little bit? Trying to figure out how to do this. do this and of course i'm so busy everything that uh with what i got going on i i would never be able to pull this off i've never been like hey i'm gonna be the executive producer on this idea that i had right um so i thought this might be a good forum to go hey you and i t-ball it up to go somebody run with this because i think it I think it's something that needs to happen and We can take about five minutes to riff on What it shouldn't be Okay, right because I think that's really that that's kind of what it what it comes down to is trying to make sure that we're not

It just doesn't turn into some other Clickbait reality TV show right right because that's not really the point of it. So what are you thinking? Okay. Well, you and I were discussing, there's like all this stuff going on in the world. Everybody's divided and freaking out and going down the dopamine rabbit hole of clickbait. And we can talk about that. I feel like the polarization of everybody,

everybody has a position. They're taking up the stance and this cause. And I get that. To feel connected, to feel like you're part of a movement for injustice or whatever, I completely get that you need to do that. But I think at some point when you start fighting with your neighbor, you start to kind of lose connection. fighting with your neighbor, you start to kind of lose connection. And I think these things,

man, these are just, they're a poison in terms of dividing people and forgetting they have these conversations openly. So the concept, we're going to lay it out. The idea is that we find six different people from completely different backgrounds that have a very strong feeling about something that they feel strongly about, just something, whatever it is. And we get them on camera or in writing, whatever. They state their position. And the idea is to get these people together with each other and not talk about what they don't agree on. Find the things they agree on and just build on the things they can agree on.

And then at the end of it, we go back and make sure we re-interview them. And the way that they went into the thing, whatever their statement was about who they are, doesn't change. they went into the thing, whatever their statement was about who they are, doesn't change. They believe what they believe, but in that, without compromising the core of who they are, they end up finding in somebody else an agree to disagree position where they can actually talk to each other and find out what they do like. I feel like one-on-one in person with no one around, people are much more likely to have those things. The real problem is when it's being projected to the world and you're looking for likes and you're looking for people to agree, you're looking for support. And that's one of the really toxic things about the phones and social media is that everybody's playing for likes and the virtue signaling and throwing up the flag of righteousness.

It's so common. And I was talking to a friend of mine. She's working with a young woman doing a research paper on the very thing, and she kind of handed me some research that I kind of suspected, and I was like, what about this, this, and this? And kind of not off topic but kind of on topic, the purpose when OxyContin first came out was that they discovered in that drug something that interrupted replaced that feeling that they were getting, the dopamine womb-like feeling, that escapist thing that they were getting from heroin. So they would use the OxyContin.

The problem is that unless you cut your hands off, you're going to take another one. Right. So you just replace the heroin with another thing that's like the dopamine dump. And they're now finding that that whole process of likes and validating or not validating, then you get depressed because nobody likes your post and your concert was like a rat. get depressed because nobody likes your post and your concert was like a rat you know basically the analogy of the of the rat in the aquarium that's keeps hitting the cocaine button yeah it's the same thing it affects the same part of your brain um and they're finding there's that absolute connection so if you can't go 10 minutes without looking at your phone you are an addict

yes understand that the actual chemical reaction in your body to the charge you get on that and the fact that it's fed by adjusted titles, whatever the headline is, if that's not getting it, they adjust the headline to see if it gets you now. And then you click on it, go, that's the one. And then they adjust that one. And it's the rat hitting the cocaine button. Well, I'm glad you used that analogy because one of the things they found out about that, because some biologists didn't like the, they didn't jive with them, the rats with the cocaine. So then they thought about the environment that the rats lived in. And they said, well, let's look at this environment because these rats are in a cage.

This is a very unnatural environment. There's lights on. There's people staring at them. So instead, they put rats in a very rat-like environment, woody and grass and trees and in a natural rat world. Guess what? Rats didn't fuck with the coke. They left it alone.

Right. They only hit the coke when they were just destroyed, like their life was turned upside down and they're living in this completely unnatural environment they're living in prison so when you're in prison you'll do the coke but when they were in a very natural world they didn't find it attractive at all okay so on that note i would suggest i just the people will have now have read those things that i put up about the new album and everything so i'm gonna request i going to beg people who have seen it now. I'm not sure where this is going live.

It's going tonight. It's going to go up. A couple hours from now. It's going to go tomorrow. Okay, great. I'm going to beg as a favor to you and to me for people who read that news and are excited about that news to do us all a favor. Turn your fucking phone off. Turn your computer off. Turn your computer off.

Turn your TV off. Go for a long walk. Just go for a long walk somewhere. Even if it's in the mall or whatever. Just go somewhere else. Go out. Go talk to a stranger and just find out something about them. No matter what it is.

Just go talk to somebody. Just go out of your house and go have a conversation with somebody. You're going to get people stabbed. Yeah, probably. Go talk to a stranger. Unless they have a knife. And do not talk to them because they have a knife. Does that cover the lawyers if I say that?

Yeah. You don't want anybody doing anything illegal. Do not approach violent, unstable people. Don't do anything dangerous? Yeah, don't do anything dangerous yeah don't do anything dangerous but just go out just just go out for a walk yeah you have a family you have young ones do you uh how do you approach that with the kids well you can see you can see the the fight and the fury and the crazy the crazy meltdowns that we have with our five-year-old when we're saying it's time to come to dinner put your ipad down right and it's an absolute fucking meltdown

and it's insane yeah and when we actually get it away from her and we take her and go and we have to explain honey this thing is not your family we're your family this thing doesn't care about you the stuff on the other end of this thing doesn't care about you. We care about you. Is she playing games? Let's go get the ducks. And we'll go get the ducks. And then within five minutes, she's forgotten about the iPad.

Because she's playing with ducks. And she's playing with ducks. Right. We're in the aviary with the finches, and we're out checking the wine. We're checking the ferments. Or she comes down while we're trying to record music, and she's sitting on the bed listening to what we're doing. She's involved in doing things and she forgets about this.

And you can't forget about this. I'm telling you, you can do it. Yes, you can do it. I use it for business, but I try, I got caught up for a while there. I would like find a video game on my phone. I'm going to play this video game. Before I know it, I've spent like 500 bucks and and the in-app purchases and shit and like wait a minute i'm doing the exact same things that i did when i first started the game it's no different i just

need better armor and i gotta buy the armor those in-app purchases of the devil yeah so i delete you know i delete those things you just get caught up in it you can't it's it's something you don't people don't realize how you've probably heard it with a bunch of people in here saying same thing like it's it's rewiring the way that we think and the way we behave yes and the only way to undo that i get away from it is to literally turn it off or unplug just walk away go do something well i know so many people that have switched to flip phones. A bunch of them. Just like they have.

Drug dealers? No. Joe? Comics, mostly. They have a flip phone to make calls. So drug dealers. No. And then they keep like a computer for the other stuff or an ipad like ari my friend ari he

he he'll you can call him on his flip phone he'll talk to you but if you text him you're making him do that fucking thumb thing that we used to have to do he hates you four times to get an s you end up being a part of a bit yeah you're a nightmare and so he doesn't have any apps there's none of that but he'll do like instagram and twitter and shit on his ipad okay yeah that makes sense yeah it's the only way he does it yeah that makes sense it does make sense it's like for him too he's he just recognizes that he can't he'll if he starts getting on it he'll he'll be on it for seven eight hours then he'll be furious at himself, like, what the fuck have I done? I've done the same thing.

Even though I've got three bands and three wineries and a restaurant and all those things, I still waste – I end up wasting time on these things, and I could get more done if I didn't have these things in my way. Do you read comments? I try not to, yeah. Which is because people are just – they need to have a voice and they need to be identified. And there are a lot of mean-spirited things out there. And I feel like the world we're living in right now, there's so much back and forth and there's so much posturing

and there's so much disconnected, disconnected, disconnected behavior that we really just need people to reconnect with their loved ones. Especially in your community. Because as things are progressing in the world, the population and climate change, which I believe there's some stuff coming. You need to connect with people. You really need to figure things out. Do you think the shit's going to hit the fan? Yeah, I do. Ooh.

When? How much time we have? Where should we go? Well, Matt, I thought you had some connection with these things, too. I'm going to go north. Okay. I'm going to go to some wooded area. All right. Well, you do. Ooh. Yeah. When? How much time we have? Where should we go? Well, Matt, I thought you had some connection with these things, too. I'm going to go north. Okay. I'm going to go to some wooded area. All right.

Well, you'll be fine. I think the moon is— I don't think it's going to happen right now. No. I think, you know, based on some of the things that I've kind of seen online and, you know, the chit-chat and overhearing conversations with people that are, you know, part of NASA and those kind of things, and they kind of go, we've got 400 years and the planet's done. Whoa.

400 years? Yeah. So if you think, for me, I plan, right? I'm a planner. That means that if we're not here in 400 years, well, when does that start? Well, that started yesterday, really. I mean, when you think about it, there's natural resources and water sources, all those things that start to kind of fall apart.

And then weird diseases start showing up and weird funguses that take you out that didn't before. Well, another thing to think is we have only been human for a quarter million, 350,000 years, whatever it is. There's going to be something next. Yeah. You know, whatever it is, there's going to be something next. Yeah. You know, whatever it is, it's coming. Right. It's going to be something that can survive the heat. So if this stuff can figure out how to cool itself, it'll become self-

Is that Ace Frehley in the back of your phone? It may be. Star child. That was a huge Ace Frehley. I met Ace Frehley when I was seven years old. He's a completely stable guy. For old. He's a completely stable guy. Yeah, for sure. He's a lot like you.

Who thinks the world's going to end in 400 years? I'm such an idiot. Why did I say that out loud? I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't think the world's going to end, but I think it's very likely that human beings will be drastically diminished. Oh, absolutely. And I feel like that's – I guess I should back up. That's my point.

The thing that we just are so arrogant about is that we're somehow included in the future we're just not included we're not included well we've only been here for again 300 whatever thousand years right that's not that long yeah you know i mean even neanderthals it's half a million years before us right so going back to now though and us getting along now and surviving better over the next little bit going back to our like the people talking to each other yeah how do we you know how do we tee this up so we can take it and not ruin it with a reality tv show because they you know that every reality tv show you see it's been manipulated you know they'll yeah they'll they'll

they'll poke the person that they know is going to blow up at some point so that it causes drama. And again, the dopamine dump and everybody's like, oh my God. Yeah, they're basically doing clickbait in terms of how they're programming the television show. Right. So how do we make this so that it's not an opportunity to make a buck and to do that like a genuine healing moment?

It can be done i think it's got to be done online and it's got to be done with no one involved other than you and whoever you want to be involved no advertisers but i mean that doesn't even have to be you right but whoever the person is right that that facilitates this but you just can't have any producers. You can't have anybody with a vested interest in its success. It has to be done just purely for the idea, purely for the exercise of getting people to communicate that have disagreements and realizing that so much of it,

you know, people dig their heels in the sand and they want to be right more than they want to be, you know, more than they want to get along and be harmonious with each other. Right. And I feel like that's – look, I acknowledge that there's monsters in the world. There's fucking monsters. They're in us. We have our own monsters inside of us.

There's other monsters that have been nurtured over years to hate each other or hate somebody else, whatever. There's that nurturing, you know, nature versus nurture monster. I get that. I'm talking about the people that you can figure out a way to like, let's just, let's figure this out. Most of us. Yes. Most of us can figure out a way to get along. And most of us can go south too. Most of us in the wrong environment with the wrong people and the wrong feelings and the wrong drugs and the wrong feelings and the wrong drugs and the wrong jobs and the wrong community we could be horrific neighbors or hitting the coke button yeah or we could be a part of a community and i just think that we're not designed for this iphone fucking world we're not designed for it and this getting likes and you know and arguing politics on twitter for 16 hours a day

there's a few people that i follow on twitter that i only follow them to see how how toxic social media is to their life i go and i i look at their feed and i mean i know what they're doing they're just fighting with people all the time but i'll look at it i'm like jesus christ this guy started at 7 30 in the morning and at 9 30 at night he's still going and he's posting every 14 minutes and he's probably reading in between that so his entire day is comprised of debating you know aoc's value and merits versus trump and versus this and that and whether or not Elizabeth Warren's Native American. It's like chaos. It's just chaos. He's got his name on buildings.

Oh, he's the politician. He's not really a politician. He's training in a swamp. Do you know what the swamp is? I'm not a big fan of politicians. Me neither. He's an anti-politician, though. You might like him.

Oh, okay. But is he in politics? Well, he's the president of the United States. Yeah, I big fan of politicians. Me neither. Yeah. He's an anti-politician, though. You might like him. Oh, okay. But is he in politics? Well, he's the president of the United States. Yeah, I don't like politicians. Yeah. Is anybody good at that? If you had a magic wand, you could make someone president, who would you make it? Oh, man.

I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Yeah, Arlo Guthrie not Bill Hicks Ken Kesey although he would because that would probably change him do you think it would

yeah I think it changes again it's like it's a reality TV show it's going to change you when the cameras are aimed at you when you

when you replace recognition with attention it fucks you up especially like at a young age you know like the boy you know like young boy band like child actors do you up, especially at a young age, like the young boy band, like child actors.

Do you know anybody that's a child actor? Yeah. I know people that are exposed to that world early on, and it's a dreadful mess. It's a dreadful mess, what they have to go through, because they don't understand that attention is not recognition. Yeah. Well, also the development. Well, there's a few people that have actually made

made it out of that like i don't think anybody has leonardo caprio i feel like he's still an artist right he's like he actually he actually he he holds his own as an artist yes i don't know what he's like behind the scenes in his house if he's like fucking shredding cats with his teeth because he's out of his mind would come out by now. Oh, okay. The worst thing he does is he seems to like to fuck young pretty girls. Hmm. Which is weird. Yeah. I just,

I feel like, I feel like that, that poison of, of the attention is, is kind of like that, it's like that dopamine dump. Yeah.

It's the same thing. It's the likes, the like buttons. Well, it's one of the things that I really admire about your choices that you decided

to get the fuck out of the, the epicenter yeah like this is just too much gravity yeah there's too much there's too much um and just that's and also like the the decision to start a winery and to like what you've done is kind of gone to the earth i mean i mean it sounds corny but really what you've done is that. I mean, obviously you have a very sophisticated farm system and you have acres and acres of vineyards. But what you're doing is the earth. You're growing.

You're part of nature. And I think that grounding in nature in that way that you're doing it is a perfect antidote for like this rock star life which is all but i mean that's that's a byproduct uh i think for me but as far as the community i'm finding that that core of of the greenhouses and um you know growing growing vines it's actually kind of feeds into what we're talking about as far as the conversation, because I talk to batshit Portlandia types. I talk to crystal clutchers. I talk to staunch Republicans that look at me like I'm going to start trouble no matter what. But I can actually talk to everybody because we're growing things and we're building our communities.

So as far as politicians are concerned the ones higher up they got there by being really good con men and liars i feel like uh in general that's what we see but down you know at this level at the local level you're just trying to figure out simple problems that you're trying to solve within your state within your county within your town those politicians are you, you got to work with them, but they're less crazy. They're less owned, as it were. So you can actually have conversations with all these people, especially if you have a

grounding in terms of literally the ground. Yeah, literally the ground. I mean, I just think there's something, it's a part of the whole human experience of growing things. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I mean, I think what you've done is pretty badass. It's the ultimate smart move, you know, in terms of, like, dealing with,

especially, like, the rock star world is so strange because it's so image-based with so many, you know. I mean, there's a bunch that don't even want to talk. I've had rock stars that wanted to come on here, but they wanted to only do it at night, and they only wanted to have it with no video. They wanted it to be audio only, and I'm like, look, look, look, look. I want stick. I just don't want it to be meat.

Well, it was like they were cultivating a thing. It has to be dark in the room. I want candles. Like, okay, I'm out. We're out. We're gone. This is not. Yeah, that's not.

But, you know, I remember they were probably messed up. The reason they're doing what they're doing is because something happened to them earlier on. something happened to them earlier on where there was an aggressive teacher, uncle, somebody that just kind of, you know, a dad who was drunk. You know, there's stuff that pushes them in that direction to be, you know, expressive. Controlling. Yeah, controlling and, you know, wanting to be acknowledged and do it exactly my way because i was powerless as a child yeah for sure right and then that's the thing you think you see with actors too and they finally get some success the the whole process of auditioning for things is so brutal because you just do you

like me do you like me i want you to like me do i get the part i don't get the part i don't and then you go through this for years and then finally you do get it and then finally you're the fucking man like oh look it's mike mike's the star hello mike mike look look we've got your your bagels ready mike and your trailers ready and then mike is uh get me a fucking coffee like oh mike anything for you and that people act in this disproportionate very insane way and then as they get more and more famous, they feel like they're entitled to this treatment. Yes, yes. Which gets real strange.

Yes. And I feel like I've seen it in our world, between bands, my band's Tool, Pursuer for a Perfect School, all of them, you get to spots where you feel entitled, you're arrogant, you are greedy. Like all those things are in all of us and you have to check yourself when they come up. Yeah. Or not.

And you end up being like the bands that you are talking about. Yeah. It has to be this way or I won't do it. That's kind of dumb. Well, bands are odd too, right? Because you're managing personalities. You're not just – it's not just like one person with a creative vision and they put it down.

You have all these other people and their ideas and you got to work it out together and there's all sorts of weird shit going on, right? Sorry. What'd you do? You shut it off? I was checking my likes. No, I was just making sure, because I posted that, and Dino, I just want to make sure Dino

knew that we posted it, because then he can talk to me. Release the hounds. Yeah. Release the hounds. Yeah. Fuck, a lot of weight lifted off my chest, dude. Is it? Yeah.

Yeah. It took, that's a lot of work. We are, the four of us, are a lot of fucking work. Just to get it. Just to get it. Anywhere. Yeah. It took. That's a lot of work. We are, the four of us are a lot of fucking work. Just to get it. Just to get it. Anywhere. Oh my God. Just to get an agreement where you're, okay, we're all agreeing.

We're going to release it. Yeah. Everything's a fucking committee meeting and it always gets shut down. What's the hurdle? Well, success. When you get successful, you think you're right about everything. And you're pretty sure as that individual, I am right and you are wrong because I'm successful. And we're successful because of me, not because of you.

And so it's not that bad with us. But that's the dynamic. Yeah, there's a dynamic of like, you know, I want this and I've always gotten my way and that's why we're successful is because I don't compromise on this or that. And it's like, you know, I'm the same way. Do you find that as a parent you sort of have more empathy for like fucked up behavior and thinking? Because you kind of understand like, oh, you got bad data as a developing unit. Yeah. You were fed the wrong food or the wrong information rather, you know,

the wrong mental food. I think we discussed this before. I think there's a 50-50 on that. You can only guide your kids so much. They're going to be what they're going to be. They're going to grow up the way they want to grow up. All you can try to do is go like, okay, let's just teach you about stoves before you actually have to learn about stoves the wrong way. So you don try to do is go like, okay, let's just teach you about stoves before you

actually have to learn about stoves the wrong way. So you don't light the house on fire. That's it. Yeah. So you can kind of do some of that stove work early, but eventually they're going to have to do some of that stove work on their own. But an instructor in our high school, which is funny because he's extreme Republican, I'm the liberal kid. But he used to share a lot of really nuggets, right, wisdom. And he would always have us say, you know, what is an intelligent person? A person who learns from experience. Whose experience? Other people's experience.

Right, yeah. Not just your own. Right. Learn from your own experiences, but also pay attention that you don't really need to play Russian roulette to find out it ends wrong. Don't get close to the bison at Yellowstone. Don't try to get a selfie with the bison. See that video?

No, is it awful? Nine-year-old kid. The whole fucking family. They apparently got within five yards of this fucking bison. No, they, oh, come on, man. And then the bison charge of the nine-year-old kid went flying through the air the thing about the nine-year-old kid landing though it seems like she landed on her feet so i'm hoping she's okay i haven't read anything to the contrary

so in my mind she brushed it off and she's like oh i can't believe i flip like that well i mean it's like a you know if she survived maybe a broken bone would be a good reminder yeah sprained ankle i want the kid to Yeah. Sprained ankle. I want the kid to have a sprained ankle. Yes. But I don't even want the kid. I want the fucking parent to get one of those weird diseases where, like, when a twin falls down, you hurt. Bison disease.

No. Okay. It's like the mom's got it. Here it is. We'll watch it show you. This bison just, look at the newscaster. Boom! See how she lands on her feet, though? Come on.

I'm pretty sure she's okay. Watch this. Whoop. Bang. I think she's all feet though i'm pretty sure she's okay watch this whoop bang i think she's all right i think she's all right the thing is did it trample her after look at these fucking assholes this is the problem with zoos people and this city life that we live where people do not know what the fuck a wild animal really is yeah you're not supposed to go anywhere near those things we're gonna find out they have instincts to stop predation and their instinct is to charge head forth with this fucking 200 with the dude with a red shirt on too like didn't you watch

asshole honey you should have juked him should have stepped in for the little kid you piece of shit over here you fuck i mean it's a 2 000 pound gigantic animal that has to fight off wolves and mountain lions and bears and yeah you're gonna have your kid five yards away from me i i you know we've had a lot of friends the musician friends that go yeah i want to come out man i want to work harvest you really don't no you don't want to work you really don't want to do that i mean i want you to and I can make it a pleasant experience for you. I absolutely can. I can make it go fairly seamless.

But you're going to learn some things you didn't know about yourself. Fact. Well, you have to work hours. Yeah. Real hours. That's why we can't go to dinner tonight. We've got apples waiting. I have some Chardonnay already fermenting.

You have apples? Yeah, I'm going to make cider in the morning. That's what we're going to do. So what do you do? You pick the apples now to make cider in the morning? I have about chardonnay already fermenting. You have apples? Yeah, I'm going to make cider in the morning. That's what we're going to do. So what do you do? You pick the apples now to make cider in the morning? Yeah, I have about 40 trees. My dad and Randy, she's kind of in charge of the orchards and greenhouses. You saw some of the greenhouse footage.

Yeah, Randy's doing that. So my dad and her picked probably about a half a ton, maybe a ton of apples already off our trees. So I get back tonight, I fly back tonight, and then in the morning we're shredding apples into a bin like applesauce and going to inoculate it. Inoculate it with what? I already have some Chardonnay that's fermenting, so I'll take like a gallon of the Chardonnay

and just put it in with the apples so that it will just start the fermentation. So like bacteria from the Chardonnay, yeast? The in with the apples so that it'll just start the fermentation. So like bacteria from the Chardonnay, the yeast? The yeast is already fermenting, yeah. Wow, that's badass. So I'll inoculate it with something that's already, it's a wild yeast that's already fermenting. And so put it in with those, let it finish up. And do you do this at a stable temperature?

Like, does it have to be? We normally keep the cider, we've been kind of keeping it like you know 70 68 in a cool room not out in the sun hot and not back in a cold cold cold room kind of you know 60 between 65 and 72 like how much cider will you make with all that how much did you say a half a ton we did well there's. There's more apples coming. So we'll have, we'll probably end up with about eight barrels worth of cider. And that's about, good Lord, 200 cases. So about 300 cans, you know, like 300 flats of cans. So, yeah. So it's fairly limited production in terms of like commercially oh yeah i wouldn't it's not

going to be commercial it'd just be in our tasting rooms oh that's cool yeah wow and so how long is the process how long does it have to ferment well once we're once they're picked we can actually the cool thing about apples is they kind of keep kind of just kind of stack them up in the in the in the walk-in cooler on site and then we gather them all up when there's a critical mass, bring them in, shred them. So that day I will shred them. Probably about a week and a half later, the fermentation's done. The hard part is separating the applesauce from the juice.

That's the hard part. So a lot of people will get them super ripe, and they crush and press them, so they just get the juice right off the must and they ferment just the juice other people will shred them so there's just like applesauce and then they'll try to press that through a very specific press that kind of gets the juice away from the what's the benefit of the former versus the latter i do the third one i i make it i shred it so there's applesauce and i'm actually fermenting on the on the must on the applesauce and then i press as it starts to separate i'm starting to pull the juice out uh once it's fermented now have you done this because you tried the other methods and you like the flavor of this one better uh so how many times you've guessed i guess i've done this

40 right that's because i'm a liar um and i'm good at it um no i've done it once uh and it turned out so because i want to make sure that that wasn't an accident i'm gonna do it exactly like i did it last time just see if it turns out the same and when you did it did you do it based on someone's recommendation or did you have a i you through it? I did it based on my experiences with fermenting grapes on skins. Really? Yeah, I just kind of looked at that process and went, okay, I see how we're going to get some stuff. And our cider is extremely dry. It's not a sweet cider you normally would think of, like slightly sweet cider.

This is like an acidic, dry cider, very refreshing. And is this a cider that's available at your restaurant? Yeah, at the Osteria down in Scottsdale at the American Vineyards location in Scottsdale and at the Caduceus Cellars tasting room and the Pulsifer store in the 4-H. If someone – where would I go? Where would I go if I wanted to try your food and drink your wine? What's the spot? What would you recommend?

Well, the easiest place for you... I want to take a trip. If you want to take a long trip, you want to go up to Jerome and Cottonwood area to go to those locations. There's three locations of different things happening in each one of those. But if you're just kind of in Phoenix area, we have a location over in Scottsdale

in Old Town Scottsdale. Oh, I'm definitely in Phoenix. When am I in Phoenix? I've got two nights in Phoenix at the Comerica Theater. There you go. So you're going to hit... That's like soon. You're going to hit Pizzeria Bianco. You have to hit there.

You've got to get Southern Rail, Beckett's Table. December? Oh. Yeah. I thought that was like soon. Beckett's Table, Southern Rail, Tarbell's, F&B, which is in Scottsdale. Scottsdale has a reputation for cocaine and parties.

Yeah. But it's also got great food. Yes. It's a very interesting place. A lot of people just have escaped some of the problems in other cities and gone to Scottsdale. That is a fact. Yes. It's a weird place.

I've always found it really weird. We had some decent success up in the valley, like with the vibe that we got with the farms, farm to table, not just any farm, our farms to your table vibe, and our vines to your glass scenario. But it's funny, down in Scottsdale, like, okay, this is going to go.

We did it, and we're like, we're going to need more makeup. I'm going to need implants yeah that's what I'm talking about yeah there's a it's a weird party town in that way yeah it's like a lot of really pretty women but the specific kind of pretty like porn star pretty the dudes are super pretty too they're pretty too yeah yeah handsome spiked hair oh yeah they got the tan. Jacked and tan. Oh, yeah. You got a tanning bed?

You should check into it. Motorcycles. No helmet. Living on the edge. Yes, I mean, if you're going to be in Scottsdale, it's a great location. But there's so many great chefs and restaurants in that area. There really are. In downtown.

And if you're going to be a Comerica, you're right by Bianco's. You got to go to Bianco's. Bianco's. What is that? Is that an Italian joint? Pizzeria Bianco. Oh, okay.

Chris Bianco. He's got two locations, town and country, and he's got one downtown, but he also has his other place. Oh my God. I'm going to forget the name right now. That's so dumb.

I'm so, I'm going to get so much shit for this. His other place. And right next to. Oh, the other place. Right next to Bian other place right next to bianco is at town and country oh my god i'm having a brain fart it's great uh handmade pastas and the

dishes are amazing yeah i'll check in with you in december yeah you'll remember it remember it by then gotta get off this cbd oil man it's man it's rotting your brain, man. You can't be too relaxed. Right. CBD fucking saves vacations for me. I don't stress out. I think it's one of the best things I've ever tried for anxiety. It's weird. And I didn't even know I had anxiety until I started taking CBD. I take these little jammies.

This will fuck you up, though. This is one and one this is one part cbd don't put this in your butt yeah do not put this in your you can put it in your butt but you will get nervous you're gonna get paranoid but it's a it's a weird like the cbd thc high is a different high because cbd does something to alleviate anxiety it sort of just makes you comfortable with your own demise. It lets you... The existential angst is... The flames don't seem so hot.

You're like, yeah, we're all going to die. But right now, we're not dead. Cool. Look at the colors. Feel the warmth of the sun. But this is not functional. You don't want to i don't do this if i have anything super important to do but but just cbd oil i just find it it did puts you in a great place okay like it's but internal not topical internal yeah topical is

really good for muscle aches okay it's really good really the probably the best thing i've ever found for like alleviating soreness and stiffness and stuff like that because i found i was in europe all of a sudden discovered that they actually had ibuprofen like cream to put on ibuprofen is terrible for you right really really bad and what i found out was that if you let your pets lick it they get liver failure and die so don't did you accidentally do that no i had a person who works with the humane society i mentioned you know mentioned that i found this stuff like just in desperation in europe like had some sore muscles and uh she's like don't let your pets lick that because they were trying they're trying to figure out why these kittens were dying oh god my friend

cameron haynes is a runner and he runs marathons and he runs ultra marathons he runs these 240 mile moab fucking ridiculous runs that last three days and he was having like all this joint pain so he's taking ibuprofen every day taking 800 milligrams not just once but sometimes twice a day and he was just constant aches and pains so dr ronda patrick had been on the podcast she was talking about the dangers of ibuprofen and about what it does to your gut biome and how much it fucks you up and actually creates inflammation and actually can cause stress or it can cause strokes rather and all sorts of horrible horrible things so i call him up and i said hey man that stuff's fine to take every now and then for a headache but you

can't take that shit every day. You just can't do it. And you're fucking your body up. Just get off of it. And I sent him the recording. He listened to it. He's like, Jesus Christ, I don't have a stroke. So he gets off of it.

All his pain goes away. It turned out his pain was being caused not just by the running, but by the fact that he was creating inflammation by destroying his gut biome by taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen two times a day. So the idea of like fixing himself was fucking him up. It's crazy. Yeah, chasing that, you know. Yeah, so fuck ibuprofen. Okay. Well, I mean, I take it every now and then.

But you can't take it every day. So you're a liar. No, I mean, just saying don't take it every day. So you're a liar. No. I mean, just saying don't take it every day. But if I had like a bad headache, I'll take some Tylenol or some shit. It's not Tylenol, right? Advil. Advil.

Yeah. I mean, it's just not something you're supposed to take all the time. Yeah. I did for a minute and I realized it was doing what you said. Yeah. So I was more icky than I should be. And then like, you know, bad night out. You didn't drink enough water. Right. Okay. Boom, boom, boom. Hit a couple. Hit a couple. Throbbing head. Yeah. And then like, you know, bad night out, you didn't drink enough water. Right.

Okay. Boom, boom, boom. Hit a couple. Hit a couple. Yeah. Then you're fine. You can still do that. But CBD does that too.

It's better, better for you than all that stuff. There seems to be no side effects. Okay. All right. The side effects is

people think you're a hippie. That's the only side effect. Right. Right. If you say you're into CBD. I've's the only side effect. Right. Right? If you say you're into CBD. I've just talked so much shit about pot that now I've got to backpedal and go, no, it was just a part of an elaborate joke. Listen, man, I smoke pot all the time and I talk shit about pot. It's the people.

It's the fucking people that are really into pot. They're annoying. They're annoying. Look at this. Eddie's not in here, is he? No. Eddie? Okay.

I thought maybe he was going to jump out from under the table. No, he's going to... No. This is... I got this from... Is this from Tommy Chong? Yeah.

Yeah. Good Lord, that's a baseball bat. Tommy Chong's not playing games. And he's been doing this since the 70s. And he's still alive. Seems to be fine. Smells scary. Like, you just smell it and you're like, this is going to bring back memories that I don't want anymore.

We got rid of those. Why are you bringing those back? The problem is dummies. The problem is not pot. It's like the problem with every single thing. Like, the problem is not skateboards. The problem is people want to ride skateboards on the edge of fucking skyscrapers right good point that's that's the problem it's like with everything it's not it's the implementation of the idea in a really stupid way that's the problem

all right it's not pot it's people smoke pot all day it's but you can you can apply that to almost anything yes you know a hammer it kind of you can destroy something whether you can build something with it exactly so it's not really the hammer it's you exactly okay exactly but there's some people that are functional on it all day like be real from cypress hill i did his show he's got this hot box show i can't believe how high they get they're high all day long and then they keep going we got so high before the show started i was like well we must be done we're gonna go sit he does this show called the hot box and you sit in this beautiful old cadillac and smoke weed and talk about life and i was like well surely we're done we can't be smoking more wrong it gives you these bats of weed and you climb into the car and it's

just a fucking thick cloud of smoke there's be real he doesn't fuck around but he's lucid completely functional you talk to him the guy exercises he's healthy he's real friendly real friendly seems fucking seems to work out great for him yeah but not for everybody yeah i'm like i'm the pot guy that's under the table freaking out yeah what do you think of? What bothers you when you get high? I think just paranoia, anything. A noise, a thought, you know, they're trying to get me. Like, it's super, like, paranoid.

Even if you just get a little pot? Yep. What about, try a little bit of this. A little bit of CBD, a little bit of pot. Joe. No? Watch,bd no watch i'll take one first i'll show you we're gonna be fine yeah no no nope yeah thank you thank you now stick with wine yeah do you fuck with whiskey yeah i do um i got a thing a little collaboration with uh with angelsvy Bourbon out of Kentucky. They took some of my fortified wine barrels and

took them and they're finishing one of their ports in one of my barrels. A couple of my barrels, yeah. Ooh. So is port the same as whiskey? Port is a fortified wine from Portugal. Right. So you can... Oh, so they're a whiskey... They're an alcohol company. Yes. Yes. So Angel's Envy is bourbon. Right. So you can... Oh, so they're a whiskey... They're an alcohol company.

Yes. Yes. So Angel's Envy is bourbon. Right. They do rye and bourbon in Kentucky. And they basically... They have a whole thing about their... Angel's Envy bourbon is finished in port barrels.

Oh. So they'll find... They'll either get them from Europe or get them from California where they're a fortified red barrel that's had wine in it. Sweet, rich wine. And they finish the bourbon in these barrels. So now they have some of mine to do a special Caduceus collaboration. You're one of those people that I talk to that I go, where the fuck does he get the time?

Because I do a lot of things. But then I talk to someone like you, I'm like, no, I don't. No because i do a lot of things but then i talk to someone like you i'm like no i don't no you do a lot of things well it's it's organized you know just organizing your time and delegating yeah i mean because that's really what it is is when you get when you're younger you want to go i did that i did that i'm doing that and then you realize i can't do all of that so we just have friends we are our team of people like i can't we have a store in jerome arizona and it has cut and sew we do we do printing and shirts we have a barber shop in it we do a full new and used barber shop yeah it's weird for a ball guy yeah barbershop i don't use

it um except for you know uh the mansca uh, new and used vinyl on top floor with all kinds of perf and now you're like, you know, band stuff, but also like a whole, uh, kind of the gelato shop. Do people go there hoping they're going to run into you? Probably. Uh, but I don't run it. My wife does. She's absolutely, I couldn't do that.

I couldn't do it at all without her. She runs it top to bottom. All the ideas for all the pussy for in Fur merch, it's all her. She does, she runs it. It's great. We just added a popcorn machine. Ooh. Oh, yeah.

Nice. Yeah. It's just, you do that and you do jujitsu too. Yeah. How? Well, here's the thing. I do jujitsu. I just don't do it very well because I don't focus on it all day.

I've learned about juiu-jitsu over the years and now i'm doing a little bit of muay thai i'm i suck at that too but i'm doing some i bought a bag yeah gloves what kind of bag uh the fair text fair text yeah that's a good bag for you especially you've had some hip issues because it's a very it's uh it doesn't it's not hard it's a good bag to hit i've got a couple different bags out there. That tall one though is the one I want to have. Because I got the shorter fat one. Right.

Yeah. Seems pretty heavy. Yeah. That's a different one. And then the ball. The ball's good. Yeah. The ball's great.

Yeah. The sack one for knees. That, the one that I have, that heavy bag is great. Because it's, it gives, like it's good for tendons and stuff. Because like a lot of people, you hit those big, hard, big hard heavy bags and you know you can do that when you're young but as you get older and you've got 20 years of blasting into bags full power after a while your joints just start to fucking they just start to say fuck you yeah i'm finding that for me uh my friend tot got me into doing the muay thai because he's like look we do

jujitsu so much and on the road you're like you know you got some like we only we can only find this black belt in town to train with you and he's 210 220 so i'm you know trying to deal with this weight and like i'm kind of sore now for the show and that's not good the bed is not you know traveling but the bed's never ideal uh and you're in the bus and you're bouncing down the road and some like it looks it's like a like a coffin right that has some kind of palsy all the way down the road you're just trying to sleep um so we he went let's do some let's do some muay thai because it's more opening so you're it's a it's left sure you know you're kind of going back and you're doing more twisting and just that rhythm and it's more opening. So it's left to right. You're kind of going back and you're doing more twisting and just that rhythm.

And it's a good workout. It's easier on your joints too. Yeah. So I got into it for that reason, just to kind of stand upright more. So you have someone holding your pads for you and shit like that? Yeah. Well, he's got a lot of all over the world. He's got great trainers everywhere.

So we roll in. And it's funny, though. You go into one guy and like, yeah, do this. What are you doing? Don't do that. And I'm do that like the last guy said i was supposed to do that like you know different trainer different yeah you get a lot of that for sure there's a lot of people that know for sure that they have the way to do it watching the infinite number of how you wrap your hands videos on youtube no bro this is the way you do it it's only one way this is the best way my favorite is the ones you slide on. There's only one way. There's only one way. This is the best way.

My favorite is the ones you slide on and then you just spin it and they Velcro on. It's like got gel that goes over the knuckles. Done. They slide on like a little glove. It's great. All right. I love those. It only has like maybe like four feet of actual wrap and then you slide these things on. You go like that.

Bang. But the headache of me sitting there like washing the tube, like some guys get super serious about folding over the knuckles too. You fold seven times and then you put it over the knuckles, then wrap it down, then through the fingers. Isn't that what the bag's for? The gloves? The gloves are supposed to be the padding.

It helps. But also what helps is really strengthening your hands. There's a lot of the problem that people have is that they don't do anything with their hands they they just hit things like which is fine but to really reinforce the structure of your hand you should use those captains of crush grips smash down those things they'll they'll create better tendon strength like that strength like a mullet and sitting on a Camaro and do that hand thing like this? Those guys can't use the Captain's of Crush ones.

Those motherfuckers are like 160 plus pounds. Didn't you say you got one that's like 190 or something? What do you got? The level three is 280. What do they look like? It's like a knurled steel pipe or aluminum outside and thick, heavy spring. It's like a hand gripper, but it's like a real legit hardcore one.

And so I'll do it this way. Then I'll flip them upside down and do it that way. And then I'll also, you know, I do a lot of chin-ups and a lot of stuff with my hands. That's what it looks like. You've seen those fucking things. But those are- You're not supposed to be like in a Camaro doing that? No.

Okay. Not anymore. Not anymore. Those guys are dead. Oh, Jesus. It goes to 322? Yeah. Oh a Camaro doing that? No. Okay. Not anymore. Not anymore. Those guys are dead. Oh, Jesus. It goes to 322? Yeah. Oh, my God.

365? Yeah. Only like five people in the world have ever done these down here. That is so crazy. At least that's according to what I was reading about. Yeah. I've got the 140-pound one. That's nuts.

So how far down do I go? Let's see. Start with the 60. Let me see. Start with the 60. You sure? Yeah. Start with the 60, though. I don't know. But, I mean, though but i mean it just you want reps you want reps okay like you just want to be able

to sit around the idea is that they have like a 10 all this most people i've met guys who are fighters like really good fighters that have small hands and i don't mean small hands meaning like the structure of the hand i mean the meat the meat of the hand they have they don't do anything where they're gripping all the time or pulling all the time they're strikers so they just wrap their hands up and you know when you're just doing this all the time and throwing punches you're not really making your hand stronger like the way to make the hand stronger is you've got to squeeze tennis balls and squeeze you know there's different putties that they make grip keys yeah grippingis is fantastic.

If you grab a jiu-jitsu guy's hand, those hands are made out of wood. A really good jiu-jitsu guy, a lot of that is just gis. And gi chin-ups and shit, when you throw the gi over the chin-up bar and do that, that's fantastic too. When you do that? Yeah, you don't fuck with that. I'm just a pussy dude. Do you do no gi or gear just ghee i do mostly

ghee mostly yeah yeah but i'm you know i i'm finding on the road it's just traveling it's easier to do the nogi because i can rinse that out and hang it up in the shower and it's dry by morning do you uh use special soap and you make sure you don't get any cooties yeah that's enough it's it's crazy yeah yeah cooties are real man oh yeah they kill people well i noticed like you know uh and it's been i remember as a wrestler you never really saw this stuff you saw a little bit of it but like nowadays it's like they're getting disqualified at regionals because they've got a spot on their back and they can't go wrestle and they've worked their whole season to get here and it's like like, well, we clean the mats.

We do all those things. We clean the stuff. Where did you get that? Well, staph is in your body, and particularly when people blow their nose and they wipe their nose and their fingers and then they roll. That stuff, your nose has all sorts of staph inside of it. And people get staph in their nose as well if they get an abrasion in their nose and that stuff gets into your skin and you don't clean it out it's also your body has to be healthy and one

of the things that happens with wrestlers or any competitive athlete is as your body is going through training camp you are building your conditioning but you're also compromising your immune system like when i was fighting i used to always get sick i had poor nutrition i wasn't really that smart about it but i was was always getting sick before big events. Also nerves, too. Nerves, conditioning, all that stuff breaks you down. So with athletes that are doing any sort of combat sport where you're getting scratched, you're really susceptible to that stuff.

So you've got to – like defense soap is my thing. I fucking love that stuff because it's all natural. You're not doing anything. Like, when people use antibacterial soap on the hand, the problem with that is that kills the good bacteria, too. Okay. What you want is something that really reinforces the healthy flora but prevents all the cooties from growing, prevents staph. All right. Send me that little list of things.

I'll have him send you. My friend Guy Sacco runs a company. He developed it because he was a wrestling coach, and these kids were getting staff and ring wearing and shit. He was trying to figure out what the fuck is this. So he came up with these natural cures for it. It's all just tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil. Okay.

It's just healthy. Yeah. And after you train, just wash your body with it and leave it on. You leave it on like it suds up. Leave it on for a minute or two and rinse it off. And then if you've got any little scratches, he's got some ointment you put on the whole. And it's all natural. It's all just good for you, healthy.

And then also what's good is probiotics. Like anything like kimchi is really good. Kombucha is really good. Acidophilus from yogurt is really good. So what is it that's in the kimchi that works? Is it because they let it go to vinegar? The volatile acidity is what actually has the probiotics in it? Yes.

Because I have olive trees. I have like 20 olive trees. And so we do the brine solution. It's salt and vinegar solution that we're curing them in. Does that have anything to do with that at all? Sure. The thing about kimchi is it's a proven health probiotic. Like it's one of those things that people have been eating for thousands of years.

And it's just good for your overall well-being. I want to know more about this. Yeah. So cultures, you know, when you're eating these probiotic cultures, and there's some really potent ones you could buy that are required. Like there's some that you can get that they live on their own substrate. So inside the little capsules, there's enough of whatever they can feed off of where they can be active without being refrigerated. But there's other ones that you have to buy, like really hardcore ones that you're getting that have to be refrigerated. Okay. But what I like about the food-based ones is, have to buy, like really hardcore ones that you're getting that have to be refrigerated. Okay.

But what I like about the food-based ones is, first of all, they taste good. They can be a part of a meal. I like kimchi, so I eat it all the time. Kombucha, I like it. I drink it all the time. And it just reinforces all that healthy flora. Okay. So it's basically got like little soldiers that fight against the cooties. You mean you've got to think of your body as an ecosystem, right?

Your body is not just you. Your body is a host of bacteria. So much so there's more E. coli living in your gut than have ever been people ever. It's all just a part of you. So you just reinforce the good stuff and keep the bad stuff away. And when the immune system gets compromised, especially through hard training, and then you get scratched and that staph just gets, did you get a grip on you and gets a hold of you and starts to go, and then it gets systemic.

I mean, fucking people die from that stuff. They really do. Staph infection, especially that MRSA stuff, man, there's a, you remember Kevin Randleman, the UFC fighter? Yeah, yeah. He had the most horrific staph infection i've ever seen in my life where he had holes where he would lift up his arm and you could see a hole in his underarm we see his muscle all i mean through the skin look at this he'll show look at it you see it up there good lord yeah like look at that go go large with that look at that fucking hole that red stuff that you see in

there that is his chest muscle and he died young man and i think it probably had a lot to do with that and i think what happened with kevin is if i'm not mistaken he just let it go a little too long and that medication resistant staph infection that merSA stuff that's the scary stuff because that's stuff that's evolved in hospitals and because of people using antibiotics and just yeah I do my best not to take the antibiotics if I can but if you get that stuff you gotta take it they gotta fucking lock you in a hotel room or in a hospital room rather and they just IV the fuck out of you and you I have buddies that were there for weeks my My friend Denny, his knee was fucked. I mean, he has an opening on his leg like a salmon got gutted. And they had to go in there and just pull out pus and constantly try to disinfect the area.

And he was in the hospital for a long time just dealing with his knee. And this is from jiu-jitsu. From jiu-jitsu. Yeah. I mean, he's a world champion. His knee started swelling up and he wound up going in. Let's do it one more time. They get it too, though, man.

Here's my key. So many UFC fighters get it and they wind up fighting on antibiotics because of it because they're fighting it off. You know, Kevin Lee, when he fought Tony Ferguson, as he walked into the octagon, I was looking at his chest. I was like, that is a staph infection. He's got a staph infection on his chest. I was like, that is a staph infection. He's got a staph infection on his chest.

And he wound up getting staph apparently the week of the fight. And he was like, you know what? We're just going to have to fight. We're just going to have to deal with it. Oh, geez. But for him, like for Tony Ferguson, like he's fighting a guy with staph. Like you can get staph from fighting a guy with staph. You can get staph from other people too.

Wow. It's nasty. nasty yeah it's cooties let's not do that my friend ari was limping around the pool table once we were playing pool he's limping it's like what's going on he goes i got a spider bite i'm like let me see he pulls up his knee i go stop i i no staff i unscrew my cue i go dude we're going to the hospital right now he goes are you serious i go fuck yeah i'm serious I'm serious. I go, you could die. I go, that is huge. You have a pussy filled up staff infection on your knee.

That's compromising the way you walk. I go, that thing is going to get systemic and it's going to get in your fucking brain. Yeah. My dad got bit by a brown recluse. That's bad. And he went to the hospital that is in an area that has brown recluse, right?

Oh, so they knew what to do? No, that's the problem with our hospital. They're like, eh, Oh, so they know what to do? No. That's the problem with our hospital. They're like, you know, here, put some of this on there. He's like, I think there's something else wrong. So he comes back a day later going, what do these rings mean? It means now he's got a hole in his leg that he's having to stick gauze in all day long

and changing gauze twice a day. And he still has like a dent in his leg where it like it ate away. Yeah. What could they have done if they caught it early? Just give him the antibiotics. Right away. You know what? We're not sure.

Just take this. They didn't even do that. Like just take this. Make sure. All they had to do. All they had to do. You know what makes me nervous about hospitals? Deal with that thing for a month.

There's a crater in his leg. Makes me nervous about hospitals is when you hear about nurses that get off on killing people. Every so often there's some nurse who just gave people lethal injections or shit. Great movie. Makes a great movie. It does. By the way, if you're a nurse, I'm sure you're awesome. It's not you. I love

nurses. I love doctors. I love all those people. All healthcare practitioners and first responders. I'm on your corner. And lawyers. Yep, them too. But there are some dirty people out there. They're monsters.

Just happen to be nurses. Right. Spiders. Tonti fucking spiders. Putting holes in your leg. Called my dad spider bait for a long time. You live around rattlesnakes too. You got serious rattlesnakes where you live.

Well, the rattlesnakes are pretty good about just – Letting you know. Yeah. Yeah. They just let you know. They just kind of go on their way. They don't really want anything to do with you. Yeah.

The tarantulas, same thing. They just kind of go the other way. Tarantulas look terrifying. But they're super cool. But apparently they're pretty docile. They're pretty cool. Yeah, they're awesome. They just hang hang out they're not like it's the tarantula hawks you gotta watch out for what's that tarantula hawk oh is that a giant bee got a bee looking thing bring it up

fuck these things what is it you gotta get a photo? The world is so scary. Oh, my God. Did you see how two people got bit in Florida in an hour by sharks today? I'm not sure which one it is. Somebody can chime in. Oh, Jesus. That thing's big. Okay, yeah. I've seen these things before.

Fuck, that's huge. They find a tarantula. They jump on it. They infect it with their eggs. And so the tarantula's like, oh they infect it with their eggs and so the trench is like oh i made it out of there and then wanders off and then dies and they the larvae come out of the tarantula oh nature you dirty bitch yeah so their their their sting is like you know level you know top five like a bullet ant like that kind of yeah yeah like a like a

centipede uh centipedes on the list but like not above centipede really these things that's why you have one on you is that you bro you're giving people the bite no that's me being terrified of centipedes that's your right hand right that might be hey you know what i'm now i have my now my ring name yeah i'm the centipede. He's the centipede. No, centipedes are just, there's those things that cause me to shriek like my grandmother and jump up on a counter. Maynard, the centipede.

It's got a ring to it. I like it. I like it. Yeah, they're creepy. Maybe I'll fight Tom Cruise. Have you ever seen a centipede attack a mouse? No. Dude.

So apparently the centipede sting is not as intense as the tarantula hawk, from what I read. I don't know. I don't know who's doing this, but there's... They need to... Like, I don't know, man. What hurts? What hurts worse? The tasers that the pepper spray get back to...

Yeah, at a certain... Jackass level, how do you know at a certain moment? You know, once you get to that bullet ant level, it's supposed to be like getting your arm slammed in a car door for 24 hours. Like, how do you know there's something worse than that? You have another one that's really bad, too. It's like, yeah, we're fucking, also sucks. $500 to get yourself stung by a tarantula hawk and we'll see what happens. How long does it last?

I don't know. That's the thing. Ooh, this is This guy did it. This is a crazy guy. He has a YouTube channel where he does this. Oh yeah,

what is that guy's name again? Coyote. Yeah. What did he get stung by? I was talking to him for a while. I think we're supposed to get him

on the podcast. What is his name again? Coyote what? His channel's called Brave Wilderness. I can't remember. Here he goes. Oh, God. Fucker.

Bang. Look, he's doing it to himself. Get me. Get me. Ah. Look at him. Wow. I wouldn't be able to put that jar back on.

I'd be like weeping. Whoa. There he goes on. Coyote Wilson? What's his name? It just says Coyote right here. i thought i would say his whole name coyote gets done find out this gentleman's name because i feel like an asshole now coyote peterson coyote peterson why don't i call him coyote wilson look at him there that's just oh that is not wise yeah but neither is that leather

hat he's wearing. What are you going to do? The bracelets look questionable as well. I think he said this was the worst of anything. He has like two-tone pants on. What's up with the pants? That's the worst of anything he's ever done? He goes and finds everything that's the worst thing you can do

and does the video like this, watch him deal with it. There's quite a few of those guys. What a weird way to make a living. Just get fucked up by nature. Work a few of those guys. What a weird way to make a living. Just get fucked up by nature. Works for Johnny Knoxville. I want to show you a video of a centipede killing a mouse. That's what I had here. I was going to show you.

They're horrific. Centipede verse typed in. There's a whole bunch of things that pop up. Take your pick at what you want to see. Go with mouse because it's particularly aggressive in the way they attack mice. Eat mice? Go third down.

Third down. Watch this. Watch this. Mouse is like, hey, I'm just a mouse. I'm kind of cute. Just chilling. Hanging out here in this weird blue floor. Oh, fucking Jesus Christ.

The thing about centipedes, too, is they don't just say, am I hungry? No. They know what they do. And what they do is fuck up a mouse that is right out of the movie alien right oh my god the mouse is like jesus fucking jesus look at him he's already dead i mean that is goddamn crazy the mouse is way bigger than him and he's burrowing into his fucking spine right now it's twitching and trying to stay alive the thing about it that's so creepy is it's not necessarily hungry

like it just that's what it does it sees things it kills it i'm like oh i mean i'm here with a mouse like a bison and a nine-year-old yeah it's like i'm here with a mouse in this weird little fucking environment that doesn't seem natural at all but i'm not going to think about that i'm just going to kill this fucking mouse that's what's important not not why am i in this i put one on me why did i do that now why did you because i'm afraid of these things so you put it on you yeah what else are you afraid of uh you got divorce papers on your arm somewhere somewhere no i No, I just, you know, I got to put something on. I had a friend do some tattoos.

I have the snake too, the rattlesnake on me. So the things that you're afraid of, you put on. Yeah. Well, this side is dragons because I'm Year of the Dragon, but this is like where I live.

Like the Make You Work movie? I don't know that movie. You don't know the Year of the Dragon? No. Back with Mickey Rourke before he went crazy. All right. It's fucking great. Young Mickey Rourke.

Young Mickey Rourke and old. There's two different humans. Young Mickey Rourke and old Mickey Rourke. Young Mickey Rourke was this super serious, amazing actor who did fantastic films. Like really good. Angel Heart. Yeah, Angel Heart. What else? He did a bunch. films like really good angel yeah angel heart um what else so what i thought so didn't he get like in a motorcycle accident and bonk his head is that what no happened to kind of push him over the edge

yeah here's a trailer of it uh no he became a boxer he boxed as an amateur when he was young and then when he was an actor i think if i had a guess and i'm gonna just paraphrase and i apologize if i got it wrong but i think he felt like hollywood and acting and i know he's quote he's been quoted on this was so fake and so with lack of a better term feminine it was it was so it was so soft and bullshit that he felt like he had to do something real again. So he started boxing again as a world-famous movie star. And got punchy. He started sparring with James Toney and a bunch of other guys, a bunch of legit boxers.

And from what I heard, James Toney used to just touch him up every day. And, of course, you don't want to be that guy. You can't hang so he's in there taking fucking jabs to the face and right hands to the face and left hooks to the face and uppercuts to the face and his face got deformed and then he wound up getting like cheek implants and a bunch of weird shit right he got a bunch of weird facial surgery and stuff and i don't like you know he started losing his mind but i think cte played a factor there i I think just, I think there's a, to me, it's a logical correlation. It's like, here's a guy who's this world famous, amazing movie star, the nine and a half weeks

and all these other big time movies. He's a fucking blockbuster movie star and an interesting movie star, like a really good actor. And then all of a sudden he becomes this crazy guy. And in between them, he's getting punched in the face a bunch of times like it doesn't take a genius right to make these connections right i know a lot of guys that were pretty normal when they were young and then somewhere into their mma career they lost it and they went off the rails there's a there's a growing list of those guys a growing list yeah

and some gals are on that list as well. Okay. Yeah. So the gals are, as they, as Ronda Rousey's opened up the door for women's MMA to become more popular, there's going to be more and more women that are taking more punishment, including ones that you're never going to see inside the UFC. Right. And the other thing is just training. If you just decide, I don't want to fight, but I want to train. That counts.

All that stuff counts. Right. So are you sparring when you're doing Muay Thai? No. Hell no. Thank you, Swanneman. I love you. I'm just trying to get in shape and stretch.

What about yoga? You fuck with yoga? I do yoga. I love yoga. Yeah. Yoga's awesome. Yeah. I do it on my own sometimes.

It's my hotel room. I have an app. That's all we do Yeah My wife and I She has an You know She has an online service We do that

But we are opening I just bought a new place You gotta open up A fucking yoga school Yeah Jesus Christ man How are you doing All these things

I'm not doing it I'm Passing I know but I'm delegating How much bandwidth Does that eat up? The fact that someone else is doing something that you're a part of.

And even though you delegate, you still have to figure out what that person is doing. Hey, why is our business going under? And Mike's driving a Rolls Royce. You know what I mean? Right. Those kind of things. Yeah. Well, I got a lot of good people around me.

We have a nice little community. So you just stay chill, take your CBD, drink your port? We just look at what's the business plan? I think that was very good for me because we lived within our means when I was a kid in Michigan. My parents were high school teachers, which not a huge pay, right? So we're living paycheck to paycheck in a way, putting some money away. But grew our own food. We'd hunt, put meat in the freezer.

But then getting into all of a sudden now, cut to many years later, then there's band and there's touring money and there's stuff. And you kind of lose touch with understanding that most businesses operate on a 10% margin. understanding that most businesses operate on a 10 margin you know so getting back to those kind of things to look at this because i'm moving my jujitsu academy to another building we're going to put in the bag we're going to put in a kind of yoga that's right you want a goddamn jujitsu academy too right but you know looking at it trying to make it work it's a it's a it's a it's a puzzle that's worth having it's a puzzle that's worth solving because if you understand how to survive this thing on that microcosm, that you can survive a lot of things, right? You can make sure that when shit doesn't go the way you want it to go, you've done the work to figure out how to survive in those extreme circumstances in terms of business, in terms of if the economy goes the way it the way it goes and if not we got greenhouses and we have some wine so we'll eat some salad and drink wine and die happy it's a good way to think but it's just i just can't believe how many different irons

you have in the fire and i know you're delegating i know you're you have good people around you but god that's so much do you ever think of simplifying? Do you ever think, like, maybe I should just, like, pare this stuff down? In a way, we are. And I think this next couple years, the last couple years has been that, like, establishing something in Arizona, establishing the green, establishing the vineyards, establishing the businesses. We've kind of branched out in various ways. But I feel like, in a a way we're expanding to retract. So once we figure out what works, we're going to bring it all back in, centralize everything, make it simpler.

And it's way more sustainable at that point. Right now we're kind of extended. We're all over the place kind of doing things. But I feel like, you know, getting a few rounds in, getting some sparring in once twice a week three times a week then you know having the vineyards going on because that's hard work too i don't really have time to train jujitsu or do muay thai or any of that you know but you seem to enjoy all these different varieties of experiences too like pussifer perfect circle tool vineyard restaurant jujitsu academy it's like you seem to enjoy having all these different plates spinning Lucifer, Perfect Circle, Tool, Vineyard, Restaurant, Jiu-Jitsu Academy.

It's like you seem to enjoy having all these different plates spinning. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. It's my dopamine. Yeah. If I'm going to have an addiction, at least there's going to be some community attached to it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like you seem to enjoy having all these little puzzles. Yeah.

All these little things going on. Yes, absolutely. The puzzles are important. Keep you alive, keep you relevant, keep you fresh. Yeah. Goals, puzzles. Yeah, goals. Deadlines, harvest.

Yeah. Yeah, harvest is great because it's not up to you. Right. You're marching to the beat of a whole different drummer at that point and how do you schedule touring do you do you schedule touring directly by when your harvest season is and how the the wineries yeah i mean luckily with with tool we're popular enough to where we can we can get offers we can do the touring you know anytime during the year nothing's going to really adjust

or affect how you know what we what we make is a living for doing that touring something like pussifer way harder puzzle much it's it seems smaller seems like it's not on the same scale but in a way it's more difficult scale because there's less margin for error so when we tour with that it has to be a very specific way we do it because you got to make sure that we don't pay to do it right just just started thinking about that thing you did with was it ronda rousey and who else was in there what else that guy you said was president oh that guy that's right trump was in it yeah oh i bet my balls and lost what year was that oh that was 15 that was before the elections yeah oh yeah i was like right when he announced that he was I bet my balls and lost. What year was that? That was 15.

That was before the elections. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was like right when he announced that he was around the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was good.

I remember when you said that to me, I was like, what the fuck is he doing? Yeah. Did you get all the different Ronda Rousey versions? No. They look like Ronda's. No, we've got Miss Chrissy Cyborg's in there. We have Miss Holly Holm. We have Kat Zingano.

We have me. We have Ronda. I'm the hot one. It's hilarious. Now, again, where do you have the time to do this? I didn't. These are friends of mine who did the whole video i go here's what i have in mind and they were like okay we'll do it i don't animate i have no idea how to animate you got a lot of shit for this uh not really i mean because it's

it's just pure it's you know it's just pure comedy right it's like it's not you know whatever i'm not you know i i'm political to a point only when it's like when it comes to assholes. So I don't like most politicians are easy targets because they're you already know they're lying. They're speaking so that they're just it's good comedy right away. I think the best comedy we've had in many years has been Trump because he he just sets them up for you. He does, but it's almost – what he's doing is so strange because he's not even pretending to be what we think of as a president. Like he'll attack people on Twitter. It's weird. It's crazy.

It's weird. I wonder if the thing we talked about, the 400-year line. Okay, this is me going back to conspiracy theories. Eddie didn't sneak in yet, did he? No, Eddie's working right now. All right. Teaching class. Right.

I feel like it's almost like that is the distraction to keep us all divided and keep us all guessing what the fuck's going on. On purpose? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. to keep us all divided and keep us all guessing what the fuck's going on. On purpose? Yeah, maybe, maybe. You know, if you're a good conspiracy theorist, you're going to put those connections together. Look at every show that's ever gone. Like, okay, well, we found out that there's this meteor speeding toward Earth.

We can't tell anybody. So if there's anything weird like that going on, like there's a fungus that's going to kill everybody. Don't tell me. Just get everybody arguing. Get them, like, you know, arguing. Get them distracted by football. Hey, who's your team? Football, right?

Just the bread and circus of it all, right? You get caught up in having food and some gladiators, and you forget about your civic duty, right? that would have to be orchestrated by some genius component of our government that doesn't seem to exist in any other form. I think it's accidental. I don't think anybody's pulling the strings. I think it's just part of the progression of what happens. Okay, like the Kali Yuga madness. Yeah, it just happens.

So just because of the natural progression of where things are going, it just comes out as a symptom. That makes more sense to me. That makes more sense to me than this grand conspiracy. Oh, no. I don't think anybody's that organized. No, I don't think so either. No, no, no. I think there's chaos going on and people capitalizing on that chaos.

And I definitely think there's lying. I definitely think there's conspiracies. and think there's lying. I definitely think there's conspiracies. But I think more than anything, it's just this is the way the world is turning right now because of just how society is set up and how disconnected we are to the natural world and how connected we are to the digital world.

Right. And I don't think there's any way out, but I think in the interim, I feel like an attempt to reconnect is going to help. I think generationally there's a way out. The problem is for our generation, I don't know if there's a way out. I think especially people like us that grew up without any sort of internet and then have watched it transform and completely take over the world. Whereas the idea of a world

without internet is impossible to us it doesn't even compute but we grew up without it so what happened well we were taken over we're taken over by some sort of digital entity um i don't think for us i think that this world has to be figured out by the people that recognize that we've fucked up like we were talking about learning from mistakes learn from other people's mistakes well they're going to learn from our mistakes they're going to learn from our mistakes and they're going to be people who grew up just like i mean like every other really fucked up part of human civilization that people have managed to overcome and avoid whether it's slavery or

war with bows and arrows like they've figured out like that was not the way to do it let's move past this let's figure out what the folly of our ancestors was and let's let's adjust accordingly i agree with that as long as we don't poison the earth as long as we don't make... If you're in Arizona, that's a hot spot. Actually hot. Yeah, we have a lot of water there. You have lots of water. Where you are. Just in general, Arizona has water.

You drive by those lawns and pools and Riverside and Palm Springs, that's Arizona water. Is it really? Yeah. I thought that shit was filtered. Yeah, you have all the mountain ranges around Arizona and down through Colorado, is on the water. Is it really? Yeah. I thought that shit was like filtered. Yeah. Yeah, you have all the mountain ranges

around Arizona and down through Colorado. All that kind of filters that way. And that's that the Salton Sea. That's all because of that Colorado River.

You ever fuck around with that place? Jen just went through there. She showed me a bunch of photos. It's pretty amazing. It's insane. Most people don't even

know what it is. There is an amazing documentary on it. She just bought it, so I'm going to watch it. It's fucking crazy. That used to be a place where everyone from Hollywood went. They would call it the Inland Riviera. Like, California's Riviera.

And they would go there, and Sonny Bono, while he was alive, was trying to figure out a way to detoxify the water and pass bills because a lot of it is runoff from the agriculture from north yeah it's crazy the people that live around there are just it's just a rotten wasteland look at that all the dead fish the there's uh see around the sea there are it's like sand but it's white, and it's not sand. It's actually the bones of dead fish. Yeah. But it's so prevalent that you would think that it's sand. What a crazy-ass place that is.

That's one of those places where- It smells great. It's worse all the time. And apparently, if you're in Palm Springs during certain times of the year It wafts over and hits you They have dead zones Where millions of tilapia Will just wind up on the beach Dead

And just rotting and smelling Have you seen all the grasshoppers in Vegas? Yes It's crazy That's in the Bible Yeah It's in the Bible That is

That's locusts That's what locusts are. Locusts are grasshoppers. Yes. Jesus is trying to tell us something. Stay out of Vegas. Or don't. Right.

You can eat grasshoppers, too. That's the other thing. They're quite tasty. Forgot about that part. Yeah. We will find a way to survive. Do you guys have those javelinas near you? Oh, yeah. That's a creepy little fucker, isn't it? Yeah. They will tear up an entire vineyard in one night. yeah we'll we will find a way to survive do you guys have uh those uh javelinas near you oh yeah

that's a creepy little fucker isn't it yeah they will tear up an entire vineyard in one night oh will they really yeah they're crazy it's like you see a lot of guys in texas that the boar are like running wild there so they'll give you permits and you're in a helicopter you go over the boar herd that's just destroying agriculture they'll go over and they'll they'll try to thin them out but it's like there's just no there's no stopping it we don't have that much of a problem with the javelina in arizona but it is a problem yeah well that's at least a wild natural animal it was introduced javelina was yeah really i didn't know that yeah by who what piece of shit brought that goddamn thing i had no idea i don't know but it wasn't? What piece of shit brought that goddamn thing over there? Yeah, I had no idea. I don't know.

But it's not native to the area. It was brought in. That's what I was told. Oh. I didn't know that. It's a peccary. It looks like a pig, but it's a peccary, which is like a cousin to a pig. Like a rat or something.

Yeah, yeah. Between a rat and a pig somewhere. Doug Stanhope lives down in Arizona, and he said his neighbor's dog got killed by a pack of javelina. Yeah, because the problem was the dog chased the javelina. The male flipped around while the kids in the other part of the herd took off, and he went, oh, and he, like, gored him. You think? Yeah, because we had a dog Argentino that almost died. That's a big dog.

We had a doggo Argentino that almost died. That's a big dog. And that little, that's a little male javelino whipped around. And it's like trying to fight Mike Tyson. It's like it's this compact thing with spikes. They're a really unusual animal to hunt because they respond to calls the way you wish animals would respond to a call. Like if you're trying to call on an elk and you're like, meh, meh, they're like, hmm, maybe I'll come over there.

Is that a chick? She's looking for some dick. They'll get close and they'll try to figure out which way the wind's blowing. With a javelina, what you do is you make these sounds like a wounded animal. Like they have these little predator calls where it's like, well, you're making something like, it's like something's writhing in agony and making noises, and they sprint towards it. Yeah. And then when they realize that it's not what they want, they try to turn around. That's when you shoot them.

Right. But they run like no other animal to a predator because they live in this horrible environment, the desert, and it's all mountain lions and jaguars and whatever the fuck else lives out there. Yeah, they're weird, too. You see them, and there's this silhouette, and then they turn, and they're, like, thin. You're like, what the fuck is that? Like, so if you try to shoot it head-on, the bullet's just going to bounce off that skull.

They turn, and you can, like, the side shot's the way to get it. It's like a flounder. Yeah, it really is. They're weird. It's a fucking strange. Is that an introduced animal? It really is. They're weird.

It's a fucking strange. Is that an introduced animal? Yeah. It says that it migrated from, like, South America and Mexico up over a couple centuries. But maybe someone brought it up first. Well, the pigs are. The pigs have only been here since the 1500s. The Spaniards, those crazy Europeans, they brought them over here for food.

Like, we'll just let these pigs go. No one's going to care. Right. They brought them over here for food. Like, well, just let these pigs go. No one's going to care. Next thing you know, they're in almost, you know, I think they're in every single county in Texas. Yeah. And they're making their way across the country. They're just devastating things. Yeah. They're in San Jose, Silicon Valley.

People's lawns are getting torn up by wild pig populations. Yeah, not cool. But they're tasty. If you hit them right. they're like they have that that gland on the gland you're like you process it wrong and it's like you just got to know what you're doing just don't fuck around with their their glands just like men you know please leave my glands away alone but you're that desert environment is such an interesting thing because you think it's desolate, but it's a really thriving ecosystem. Yeah, it really is. Like just the simple things

like our herbs and the tomatoes, things like that, they just, they thrive. They're very aromatic, the basils and the rosemaries and things. It's just really intense, intense stuff. What kind of tomatoes do you grow? Do you grow like an heirloom style of tomato? Well, that doesn't really grow well. The ones that really do well in our greenhouses are the little, like the cherries, or the little pear tomatoes, those little smaller, you know, smaller versions of tomatoes. They do really well.

Why do they do better than the heirloom ones? I think that they're, as far as flavor, I like them better. I think it's because just the size the skin contact you know how much more compact they are there's just more flavor in one tomato rather than the pulp being the flavor i would imagine the skin and the outer part is actually more of the flavor than just the pulp i gotta get a greenhouse i really do that's something i've been thinking about a lot lately because i i've vegetables. Like when I said, I just got back from Italy. God damn, their tomatoes taste good. Yeah. I mean, you realize that tomato is actually a fruit. Yeah. And it tastes great.

They're amazing. Yeah. But you get a tomato over here from the grocery store and it might as well be a tennis ball. I mean, it bounces like a tennis ball. It lasts forever. Yeah. Our tomatoes don't, you know, i pick them because we're going to eat them today or tomorrow yeah that's the way to live man that's how people are supposed to live this goddamn waiting forever to eat your food while it just sits on a shelf is nonsense yeah so you know i got i got used to that now that we have the the greenhouses going for the last couple years it's like you get that stuff that's that we have the, the greenhouses going for the last couple of years. It's like, you get that stuff. That's what we're making.

Do you have well water? Uh, we're on the, we're on the spring that comes down from Mingus mountain. So Jerome is on, on spring water and then we have well down on the other sites. So your tap water, spring water. Wow. So do you have, does anybody add anything to it? Probably. Yeah.

Cause it's a, it's, it's a town, so they probably have to treat it just to be safe. Yeah, unfortunately. But in Colorado, we had a well. We have three wells. Each site has its own well. Okay, so you get spring water from that. We have ditch rights because we have the Oak Creek, and the Page Spring is right there. So we have water ditch rights that we actually irrigate the vineyard on those.

But I went ahead and put in a well on every one of them just as a backup plan. Did you get a guy with a stick trying to figure out where the water is, a diviner guy? Does that shit work? It works for us. How is that real? I don't know. I don't know. I had a buddy of mine who built a well on his property, and he had the guy come over with a stick.

I'm like, I can't talk to you anymore. I want to say they know that there's a general area where the water is. Yeah. And there's some dude with a cell phone in the corner going, watch this. He's like, I think it's right here. But he does the thing. It's a time-honored practice but I've seen it

I've seen it I've seen it done where like he's just walking around it just goes down like oh really let's go here

yeah how the fuck can that possibly be real I don't know it's good here it is here's this guy it's called water witching

water witch oh well it's witchcraft look at this guy fuck this guy I'm looking at the way he's moving his hands fuck her too she's full of shit too Water, oh, well, it's witchcraft. Look at this guy. Fuck this guy. I'm looking at the way he's moving his hands. Fuck her, too. She's full of shit, too.

Look at him. Oh, I'm not even controlling this. Right here. Right here. Sit, sit, sit. Get the fuck out of here with that. That's nonsense. That's like three-card money.

That's an asshole. I've drilled four wells, and they've all been worth a fourth. We should just try to drill a well out of the fucking blue. Just flip a coin. Yeah, ten paces right here. Bam. Oh, look, a well. We're under a fucking network of wells. Yeah.

The only thing I worry about wells is every movie where there's bad people, they always throw the bodies in a well. Like the Quentin Tarantino hateful eight. You can't really fit the body down that eight-inch casing. I was thinking. But you can try. I mean, give yourself a little meat grinder or some hogs, I guess you're good. Do you remember the well baby, the kid that fell down the well?

It took like days to get him out. Baby Jessica. Yeah, yeah. It was her, right? Yeah, I said him yeah and she eventually became like a hot hot broad here's another guy doing it he's calling this is called a dowser i might be might be multiple names look at his sweater i'm not listening to this guy he has a bottle of water on the ground and he's like proving well how about we put a bottle of water

where he doesn't know where it is yeah blind, blind him, right? Look, he's moving his arms. This guy's a dipshit. He's like the worst magician ever. He's literally like moving his arms. Nothing on your mind. Watch his hands. Fuck you. Fuck you, Melvin. John Baker, professional dowser. Professional hoser. He's a hoser, this guy.

John, if you're listening, I'm sorry. This is comedy. I'm sure you're real. I'm sure what you're doing is real, bro. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. Oh, Jesus, look at it.

It's moving down. Coincidentally, my hands are thrusting down at the same time. Yeah, nonsense. He's a professional dowser. What's the name of the religion? Hands are thrusting down at the same time. Yeah. Nonsense. He's a professional dowser. What's the name of the religion? They have the snakes that bite him in the face. Pentecostals.

Maybe he's one of those. They're good at that. Those are my favorite. Those are the folks that talk in tongues. No, Pentecostals talk in tongues. I'm thinking I'm conflating them. I don't think they necessarily are the snake handlers. I was raised Southern Baptist and we did some tongues.

Did you? Oh yeah. Sama lama ding dong. Did you do that? Like that one. Really? I didn't say it like that because that would be a sin.

Do you know, what's his name? Is it Robert Paulson? Is that the guy? He's like the slick back hair preacher. He does that. He'll just be in the middle of talking about Jesus. Robert Tilton. That's right. Robert Tilton. He's amazing. He's like the slick back hair preacher. He does that. He'll just be in the middle of talking about Jesus.

Robert Tilton. That's right, Robert Tilton. He's amazing. He's amazing. That's Bible! One of my all-time favorite quotes. Every time you write a check to me, Satan gets a black eye. You have the farting preacher video?

Yeah, that's him. That's good. He's a dowser. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. He's a dowser as well. Yes. He's out there in the backyard with some sticks. You have a flight to head back to your farm. Yes, sir. I think you have to leave quite soon.

Pretty soon. So congratulations on the release of the tool, entire library streaming everywhere. entire library streaming everywhere congratulations on your vineyards and your wine and your yoga studio

and your jiu jitsu studio and my new Muay Thai bags and fucking crayon company and your helicopter farm whatever the fuck

else you're doing is there anything else you need to tell everybody about before we get out of here I don't know man I'm just so excited we finished this record well listen man it's always great to see you even ever briefly man. I'm just so excited we finished this record. Well, listen, man,

it's always great to see you even ever briefly. Next time, I'm going to come to your place and eat. Okay. Tell me when is a good time and we'll figure it out

and I'll fly the missus up there and we'll get some food and some wine. Absolutely. All right. Appreciate you, brother. Thank you. Thank you.

Bye, everybody. you