The Joe Rogan Experience - #1351 - Dan Aykroyd

Episode Date: September 12, 2019

Dan Aykroyd, CM OOnt is a Canadian-American actor, producer, comedian, musician and filmmaker who was an original member of the "Not Ready for Prime Time Players" on Saturday Night Live.

and we're live with Dan Aykroyd cutting oranges and doing a podcast at the same time yes it's uh it's kind of like walking from the the tightrope uh between two buildings chewing gum and uh and looking up at the ceiling have you ever heard of the the guy who he was a tightrope walker at the turn of the century um and he was very famous uh i forget as he was a french guy he walked over niagara falls several times i know what you're talking about yeah uh i but he was very famous. I forget if he was a French guy. He walked over Niagara Falls several times. I know who you're talking about. Yeah. He was a French tightrope walker. And one of the things he did, Joe, was one morning he said, I'm going to do this, but I'm going to take my manager on my back. I'm going to take a small stove and I'm going to cook him breakfast in the

middle of the falls, right over the falls. and this is recorded of him having can you imagine the manager you know the conversation there okay you're going to climb on my back we're going to the middle of falls i'm going to make you breakfast i love you i love handling you but no what really i have to do this so he took his manager on the back out to the falls cooked them eggs right there and then walked to the other end of the falls with a stove his manager all on his back this is like you know these are these are feats that uh that we hear about did he cook in the middle he cooked in the middle of the falls he cooked he cooked eggs and i think flapjacks and uh all while handling his manager on his back and handling the stove and the whole thing yeah there he is there he is there there there's the manager look oh my goodness yeah isn't that funny

where's blonde that was his name yeah i want to see him cooking yeah they must have the photo There he is. There he is. There. There's the manager. Look. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Isn't that funny? Yeah. Blondie. That was his name. Yeah. I want to see him cooking. Yeah. They must have a photo. They've got to have a photo. Is there a wheelbarrow up there?

Yeah. Yeah. Wheelbarrow. He had the manager on his back. There he is, the manager on the back. You see, taking him across. Yeah. That's how you earn your keep as a manager.

I know. And I don't know whether. There. There he is. Look at the table and the chairs. Yeah. So that's what we're kind of up to here today. And I know when I came in, I saw the beautiful bow equipment and all your workout equipment.

I was going to bring my pinball gun so I could bounce them off your stomach. You have a pinball gun? What is a pinball gun? Well, I'm just making it up here. I know you've got a hard stomach there, and I could just see them bounce off. And I said, you know, Joe, do you have a knife for the oranges? And I knew you'd have a really nice, sharp hunting knife. and he hauls this out and hey here it is so tuck more custom knives oh it's beautiful beautiful where are they out of i don't know it was a gift from

my friend donnie vincent brought it in for me yeah a thousand people died going over niagara falls many of them suicides and many of them uh you know just uh just that went over in rafts and that kid roger who went over in a life jacket and people in barrels who were actually intending to go over the falls and wanted to float down that far. One guy survived. A guy in the life jacket survived and a couple of them in the barrel survived. But the tribe of the Niagara Indians who lived at the, the indigenous natives who lived at the bottom of the falls were overweight. And why were they overweight? Because they didn't run through the forest hunting.

They took all of the meat that came through the Niagara River and went over the falls and was dashed at the bottom of the falls. The bears, the wolves, the moose, all of them who drowned in the falls, all this wildlife, and they just harvested the meat off the rocks at the bottom of the falls. Oh, so they would just wait. They would just wait. Exactly. Yeah. exactly yeah wow yeah how many things get stuck that would seem like you'd be waiting a lot uh man 40 people every year fall over so every year right now yeah wow wow oh my god 40 but i love upstate new york i love up i love niagara falls new york's beautiful

um architecture from the 30s and stuff. Yeah. It's so neat up there. Yeah, it's a gorgeous part of the country. Do you mind if I make a non-added vodka drink here for us? This is your vodka company, and you base it. I know you are a huge fan of extraterrestrials, and one of the things I'm very excited to talk to you about is that.

Sure, I brought you a book on all that. Cool. This is based on the Crystal Skulls, right? Well, yeah, the package is based on the Crystal Heads because we wanted to sell the idea of purity. And you can see it's a nice, smiling, little, happy little skull. It was designed by John Alexander, the great Texas artist. This is our wheat version. We have corn in here. We have corn in here.

We have wheat in here. And there's no cleaner vodka, I must say, on the planet. We go to great lengths to make this a clean product. Not only is the bottle beautiful, but the unique fluid inside is what has got us to 70 countries, over 50 million bottles sold. We've won 12 gold medals. We won the Prodexpo in Moscow for excellent taste out of 400 beverages. gold medals. We won the Prodexpo in Moscow for excellent taste out of 400 beverages. And what we do is we

take peaches and cream corn from Chatham, Ontario, and we put it in the truck in the mash, and we ship it 95% alcohol volume at that point, and we take it over, and we put it in the ferry boat, and we bring it over at the distillery in Newfoundland, Canada. One of the last state-owned stills

in the world. And why are we there? Because the water from the original Wisconsin glacier is under Newfoundland. So vodka is an old Russian word for water. Really? Yeah, and great vodkas have sweet water. I want you to just take a sip, and then I'm going to make a nice crystal drop. Here's our notes here. Cheers, sir.

Just a sip. Yeah, cheers. Yeah, indeed. Hey, to our daughters. To everybody's daughters. Daughters and sons and daughters. Everybody, sons, daughters, mothers. It's very good.

Sweetness. Sweet vanilla dry crisp with a kick of heat off the finish are our notes from Anthony Dias Blue. We take that to the distillery in Newfoundland. We use the water there. We do not add flavor packs. Flavor packs are added to lesser vodkas. That's glycerides, sugars, terpenes, and we put them.

They put them in these packages, and they put them into the vodka. We eliminated all of that, and we have no additives at all. This is C2H506, just absolute ethyl alcohol, grain alcohol, purified, distilled in a carbon filtration system, not the one with the hose where they just blow it through. No, we distill and we filter, and we pour it over Herkimer diamonds. Diamonds? Yep. You pour it over diamonds?

We do. We pour it over the Herkimer semi-precious stone, and the Herkimer semi-precious stone is one of our last purification processes. Now, if you asked a high school professor, what does pouring alcohol over diamonds do to the alcohol? They'd probably say, well, nothing. But our stones, after certain pours, a certain number of pours, they turn yellow. And we have to bleach them, clean them, or replace them. The Herkimer diamond is found in an anomalous area of upstate New York, also in Afghanistan and Oaxaca, Mexico.

They're found. They're little semi-precious double-ended crystals, and people love the taste of the vodka poured over the stones. Is there a chemical reaction that causes the stones to turn yellow? Again, you'd have to sit with a chemistry professor and say, why does the alcohol turn the crystals yellow? Is it doing anything? Is it purifying it? We've done flavor profiles where we pour it over the stones

and give it to people, and we don't pour it over the stones and give it to the people, and they like it better poured over the stones. Now, why I like the Herkimer Diamond is, of course, because it's near Griffith Air Force Base, Rome, New York. And that was where a lot of scrambles went up in the 70s and 80s against whatever was coming and going in the mountains there. Pine Bluff, Pine Bush, New York.

UFO folklore. Yeah, Pine Bush, New York. So I thought, this is great. Herkimer Diamonds from that area, associated with ETs, the Navajo, the Aztec, the Anasazi, they said that these skulls came down to them from the star children. They were given to them as scrying devices to help the tribe move forward, to give positive energy to the tribe. And so I thought, perfect tie-in. We pour our vodka over Herkimer diamonds.

We're tied in a little to the extraterrestrial legend there with the skull, and it's the neat kind of bow to our product. But the most important thing is that you know the fluid in the bottle matches the beauty of the bottle and the bottle is to sell the idea of purity and enlightened thinking enlightened drinking which was what these these skulls were made for gosh it's good even without the orange juice dan eckard you might be the greatest salesman that's ever lived i'm sold this is another one folks i don't know if you could see this for people listening you definitely can't but if you're looking at it on youtube um this is an absolutely gorgeous bottle with artwork all over it this really

cool design there's all these little skeletons and it's hard to tell because it's kind of abstract a lot of the stuff in it but uh well that's john uh john alexander's work he does he he loves skulls and skeletons and and that kind of stuff and uh is gorgeous. And Day of the Dead stuff. And so he painted that up. He's one of my oldest friends. And we met because we worked on Saturday Night Live. And my girlfriend there was Rosie Schuster, one of the writers. And we fell in love.

And we had a great time and wrote the show. We wrote Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute and a lot of other things. And then I went away to do Blues Brothers. And she said, I'm i'm breaking up with you and i said well for for what or for who well i met this artist john alexander so she dumped me for him and now we're best friends and uh we would like to find rosie again i know no no no she dumped me for and he went on to uh to get married and do other stuff but um yeah that's how met. So it's kind of an interesting friends, creative friends. So we are the vodka for the creative spirit. It comes from two artists, a writer, him an artist, a graphic artist and designer and painter and sculptor.

So, you know, millennials love us because there's an OBS story on our purity. We are, we are, we are a pure story. We're a story about fun and about enlightened drinking in moderation, of course. And we are a story about quality. And so I think people are buying it. We have a lot of female demographic there because of the cleanliness, because we don't have the additives in it. And we just take the trouble to make this product in a special way. How long have you been doing this? This is about 11 years. We're in 70 countries and doing really well with it. Because people are getting the story that it's not only the bottle, it's what's in the bottle. You get it at BevMo, Total Wines, ABC Liquor. Bars all over the world have it now. And, yeah, they like the no no additive story um and yeah it's uh you know it's a little more expensive in retail but it works out to about

37 cents uh a drink more if you have 25 drinks in a bottle you buy that bottle um it's uh you know you're paying a little more for the quality and for the package but you gotta yeah you don't have to you don't have to uh pay too much more for for a drink it's like 37 little more for the quality and for the package, but you don't have to pay too much more for a drink. It's like 37 cents more for the average drink. Wind bars, we sell it for maybe $7 a shot or $9 a shot, $2 for $14, and $3 for $21. We're losing people in the weeds here. This is very delicious, though. I'm not a vodka guy.

I generally like whiskey because I like to know what's happening. The thing about vodka is it's so smooth, and this is very delicious and smooth. Before you know it, you're fucked up. With whiskey, I feel like you know it with every taste. You're like, oh! Well, we don't have an overviscous viscosity. It's sweet, and it's got beautiful viscosity there. And if you're keto, this is the thing to drink if you're on a ketogenic diet.

Can you want a little citrus in there? Try it. Sure. That's your move. Yeah. I like it. Can you squeeze it in there very slowly and make it look like an egg yolk going in there? So tell me.

I'm having a lot of fun with the business. It's 11 years. We're having fun. We're fighting against the big guys. We've got to do stunts and do exciting things and talk about it in ways that it hasn't been talked about before. We did change the industry. We are the purest play out there in terms of vodka consumption. I don't slag other brands.

They want to use the flavor packages. They want to put glyceride in there, which is, of course, a synthetic. It's a lipid. They want to put it in there. It's a cousin to antifreeze, I've got to say. It's a cousin to antifreeze? Yeah, glyceride. What if you're a really good person and your's a murderer though does that matter um well let

me see uh christ you know loved prisoners and christ forgave so uh so let's i want to talk to sister i don't know yeah maybe she's a nice person i want to talk to you about the the the story of the crystal skulls themselves because there's this strange sort of folklore attached to them and then there's a lot of people that believe that it's all horseshit and that these were created by modern people and buried underground in order to... Well, my understanding of it is... There you go.

Yeah, indeed. That's just the citrus model, the crystal driver. There were 13 heads and it was purported that the Navajo, the Anasazi just the citrus model, the crystal driver. There were 13 heads. And it was purported that the Navajo, the Anasazi, the Mayans, the Aztec each had one. The most famous one is the Mitchell Hedges skull, which was found on the Yucatan by Anna Mitchell Hedges. She reached into a cave. She was with her grandfather.

It was around 1926. And she reached in and there was an oil cloth covered item in there. And she pulled it out and opened it up. And there was the two-piece detachable jaw Mitchell Hedges skull. Beautiful skull. The Hewlett-Packard engineers did a test on it in the 60s. They said it could not have been carved by a lapidary, by tools. It had to have been polished over hundreds of years, over centuries, to get to the shape that it was. So they said it was a polished item. Let's see.

There's the Mitchell Hedges skull, the Phyllis Newman skull named Max. But wasn't that later decided by some people that this was not the case? I'm going to exactly get to that point because, of course, it's important. It doesn't affect my business whether they're fake or not. These were beautiful artifacts,

and we've recreated it beautifully. But it's nice to know the true story, and I have kind of a thought on the theory either way. So there's the Phyllis Newman skull named Max. She has to put it in the closet because it talks to her. Wait, wait. Hit the brakes. I'm going to have to hit the brakes a bunch with you. You're an excellent talker, sir.

Oh, well, you know, I was inoculated with a gramophone needle at birth. I could talk a taxi dispatcher into a vow of silence i could talk an air raid siren to scrap but uh and you're obviously canadian because you said slag yeah you know i see data canadian gal she loved that oh wow that's another tangent canadian gals and canadian guys uh so the philip newman newman skull she she got it its name is max she has to put it in the closet because it talks to her, she said. So there's the Mitchell Hedges. She still has it? Yes, she does. Phyllis has that one. Then there's the Mitchell Hedges skull that's in Indiana. The man that took

care of Anna at the end of her life eventually had it and got it. It sat in Grafton, Ontario for many years and I never saw it, but people said when they walked into the room and she uncovered it with the cloth she kept it in, that there was an immediate feeling of well-being and healing coming over to look at the original Mitchell Hadjah skull. There's one in Mexico City. It's like one of our minis. It's got a cross stuck right in the top of it, which is, you know, that would shatter a crystal if you did that. How that cross got there, I don't know. would shatter a crystal if you did that. How that cross got there, I don't know. There's one at the Smithsonian

in Washington, and two at the Smithsonian in Washington, D.C., and one at the Victoria and Albert Museum. So there's supposed to be eight that we have and five that we're missing. The woman at the Smithsonian, who has the two there, I think they're a cloudy orange one and a cloudy green one, and they're smaller.

She says they're all fakes. That they were carved by a German lapidary in the 1800s and that he seeded them around the world well wait a minute i think one was found in tibet one was found in ohio we're hearing at the serpent mounds why does she think this one gentleman did it he because he was an expert lapidary he had the tools to do it and and she figures her theory is that they're not artifacts polished by tribal hands and passed down, that they're all fakes. But it's just, wait a minute. He would have had to have had an airship to go and deposit these wherever they might be around the world. And you can get the pictures of the skulls up, the Smithsonian crystal heads.

And the Smithsonian crystal heads you can get in Victoria Albert crystal head. Do they all have the same similar type of markings? There's theirs. Yes, yes, they do. They do. They all have the same. Now, you see, some of them are clearer. See, there's one at the British Museum,

and there's some that are clearer and are more beautiful, and there's some that are rougher, like that one there, and the green and the British Museum. And there's some that are clearer and are more beautiful. And there's some that are rougher, like that one there and the green and the orange one. But she says all fakes. But if they're all fakes, how did they get to these different places around the world and how were they found? Well, here's the thing. But why fake? The word fake is very strange because it's like they are certainly real carved crystal skulls but were they from tribal ancestry that's the question them there's the question who made them modern

western and how were they polished or were they carved that's the thing aren't they beautiful oh god what do the indigenous people say they say they found them they the navajo say they came from the star children that they they were brought down and deposited and given to them as crystal ball devices sc scrying devices too. What's that one down there, Jamie? Keep scrolling where you were. The green is beautiful. The one on the left right there that looks almost like a real skull.

That is a real skull. Oh, it is a real skull. Yeah. No, the green is beautiful. So I guess, I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a professional historian. I guess I have to trust the lady at the Smithsonian.

But then I question, they were found at different times in history around the world. How do you go and seed? How do you deposit them there why does she believe that has she given a coherent reason why she thinks that they're all hoaxes um i guess she's done her analysis whatever they've done you know to to their skulls but again the hewlett packard engineers took that mitchell hedges skull and they they said this cannot be have not been polished it would have been cracked or destroyed it could not have been built by tools it would have been polished, it would have been cracked or destroyed. It could not have been built by tools, it would have been cracked or destroyed. It had to have been polished. So, but what about some sort of a very fast-moving drill with a diamond bit on it that can slowly grind down?

Well, then there would be marks that would be visible under the scanner. Couldn't you polish those marks down? I think that the intensity of the Hewlett-Packard scrutiny revealed that there were none of those marks, and that's why they were able to make their claim. Here's the problem with this. It's like you want them to be real, right? Don't you? Oh, yeah.

I love the legend. I do, too. I do, too. But I don't trust me. Neither do I. That's why I say openly. When you're saying all these things i want to believe you i want them to be from the sky people i do too but again you know you've got a professional

in washington at our national museum there who says no they're not yeah but what does she know well we could uh forget her name we should get her on the phone she might be a party pooper well i i think that she's probably as in love and in love with the skulls even though they are you know not polished it in her mind i bet she loves them as much as we do but the thing is if you are a professional intellectual or someone is a curator of you know fine artwork and ancient relics you kind of have to be one of those people that dismisses anything preposterous because if not that's right's right, like Neil Tyson. Don't you love him? Yes, I love him to death.

I love Neil. But there's no way you can sit down and say, Neil, Barney and Betty Hill were abducted by a flying saucer in 1957. He's not going to accept that. Because he can't accept that. Because everything in his training, everything in his knowledge, everything that he knows about physics and science and propulsion and the universe and how to get from place to place,

defies the legend, or I would say defies the theory that there are extraterrestrial advanced ships out there. He can't accept, it's just, you know, it would be unprofessional for him to say, okay, there's even a possibility that there were abductions. The Betty and Barney Hill story is very interesting, but there's no real evidence other than their testimony is that correct well there was a stain on betty's dress there's her excellent recall she was not he was unconscious

stain on her dress is so interesting uh it was a fluid that they used uh in in in the testing that uh some kind of a fluid a chemical the alien testing that they did they drew over from her and they drew sperm from him now so there's a book out called Contact by Stanton Friedman

I read that yeah and Kathleen yeah I'd love to know where the car is where the Chevy they were driving

oh it disappeared I don't know I'd have to ask Kathleen where it is did it end up in a junkyard because there were marks on the back of the car as well there were trace evidence in the back of the car you know ted phillips is he goes around the world collecting trace evidence and radioactive

signatures from sightings and and uh and landings on the back of the car there was a couple of marks but it was betty's it's their credibility why would they want to bring this into their lives and she was conscious a semi-conscious through much of it and barney was not uh conscious he was unconscious if you hear the tapes of ben simon's interviews with them under hypnosis the screaming and the and he was just so frightened yeah and that's and the zeta reticuli map when when the little the being betty looked at the map and and the being showed her a map as she was on her way out the door and she said, may I take this? And the being was going to give it to her. But then another one zipped up and said, no, you can't have this.

Zeta Reticuli is exactly the same place where Bob Lazar says they found those with the spaceships that they have at area S4. Well, the little greys, Zeta Reticuli, Barney and betty's abduction you had marjorie fish an amateur amateur astronomer she took the memory of betty's uh betty drew up the star map and she did a three-dimensional scale model of that part of the universe and was able to identify zeta reticuli one and two and accepted by astronomers so that map that betty saw aboard that ship had not been seen on, uh, on earth before. And Betty has no history of astronomy, no studying it. No, none of it at all. And, and, and, you know, interesting things like when they got back to the, the house, their, uh, their, their, the house was open and the keys to the house were in on the table with leaves so that

they might've dropped them at the site and the beings returned them now you know who ted bud hopkins was yes he said that since he studied the linda cortile case where the woman was floated out of her apartment building over the east river and orange orb picked her up tell people who he was he was the guy was an artist he was a graphic artist he was a designer a painter and a lovely man and he was one of the first people to start to deal with the trauma of abductees he they He got a reputation for being able to interview them, hypnotize them, interview them, and get their stories and empathize and sympathize with them. And he said that in some cases that he studied, the beings would grab a man from somewhere in America and grab a woman and out of their cars, out of their clothes, put them up, test

them, draw over, draw sperm, fluids, whatever they were doing. And then the woman would wake up in the man's shoes or a different car or almost as if the beings were finished with them. I don't care where they go now. Yeah, put them, put them back, you know, that kind of thing. He said that was the oddest phenomena. Like releasing a trout. Yeah, that's right.

Well, I think that's it. If you catch a trout, you catch a big rainbow trout and you're fly fishing and you got a barbless hook. You know, most people, if you go to Montana, go to the Gallatin River, shout out to the Gallatin. Beautiful. Gorgeous place. People catch and release because they appreciate that the trout are there.

They'd rather go buy halibut from a store and not eat the fish because they want the salmon to be healthy. They want the trout to be healthy. So they catch them and then they release them but if you're a brown trout well brown trout are invasive but if you're a sand you're a you're a rainbow trout and someone catches you and you know they take you on some 200 yard run down this river as they're trying to draw you and it's a big nine pound rainbow catch of a lifetime beautiful time and some guy pulls it on it takes pictures of it like shows it and then releases it and this thing's like how the fuck did i get here what am i doing outside of my universe yeah what am i doing in this other dimension of air where i can't breathe precisely yeah yeah and that's that's what that's catching

release with people travis walton says you know you got to think of them as just people from over there. Yeah, he's the guy the Fire in the Sky movie was based on. He's got another interesting story. Here's what I want people to think. Credibility there

and credibility with Barney and Betty. I just don't think they're lying and I don't think the aerial school children are lying. I don't want to think they're lying. This is the problem that I have with it. I want to believe them

but this is what I want people to consider because most people that are pragmatic, reasonable people that don't want to be ridiculed they look at these stories and they go oh come on people are full of shit and i've been there too but i want i want people to imagine that if if aliens did a occasionally visit earth what how often do you think this would take place and how it would be very infrequently and if it was if it was happening these would be completely unique unusual occurrences out of nowhere where someone would come down they would do something and they would be leaving the person with this thought and this memory and this inability to describe it with normal words

if you were taking aboard a spaceship and you were some reptilian beings that were three feet tall were running experiments on you and you were paralyzed then they released you back on earth how what words do you have available to you to describe this experience in a way that like if you tell me hey joe i uh i uh went white water rafting with my kids. It was a great time. It was so fun. We got to see eagles, and it was gorgeous.

And then we had lunch at this beautiful little cafe. What a great day. I can envision this experience. I can see it. But if you tell me, hey, man, we went camping, and I woke up, and some alien had a finger in my ass. The Allagash. The Allagash incident. They went camping, and they disappeared.

There's quite a few of those, right? There's hundreds of thousands. And here, this is, I brought you a book. This is Bruce McAbee's book. It's all the headlines from 1952, 432 reports given. And I'll address your specific question about people, how they relate their experiences and how genuine they feel in a second here. 432 reports given the Air Force in 1952 on aerial sightings

ships from other planet we've got memorization members memos from the government here uh former army pilots cease flying saucer by daylight whatever was cited here july 30 stories fighter pilots at newcastle say alert for more saucer reports these are newspaper yeah that's yours well newspapers never lie well uh i don't know if you know that. They never make fake stories. They never talk shit about people. The New York Times is pretty reliable. Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keen are reporters for the New York Times, and they've been studying this phenomenon.

They report very credibly on it. I'll tell you how an abductee's experience is related. I attended a lecture at the Fifth Avenue Medical Institute in Manhattan with my wife a few years ago. That would be about 15 years ago. And John Mack was the lecturer. You know, he wrote the book Abduction. He was the Harvard psychiatrist who wrote Abduction. You can get that up too, Abduction, John Mack. Yes, I've read that as well. Yeah. That freaked a friend of mine out. She was a very pragmatic, non-UFO believing person. And we were working together on news radio, my friend Maura Tierney. And she came up to me and she goes like, this book is freaking me the fuck out.

And he wrote a second book as well. Didn't he die in a car accident? John Mack. I believe he died in a car accident. Stepped off a curb in a small town in England, and he was struck by a car. Yeah. And three other John Macs died the same day in England. So you think people were whacking John Macs because he knew too much?

I don't know. Let's take them all out. Again, I was at this lecture, and there were 300 abductees there. Some who he interviewed with some some he had not but who were there for interested to to find out about more about their experience and one guy got up and said he had one arm and i don't know whether that was related i don't think it was related to the experience but he said i'm a wall street broker i'm quite well off i have a sailboat i was in long island sound a few years ago and a blue light hit me and I had missing time of about five or six hours.

But in it, I have filtered memories of beings addressing me and telling me that I was powerful and influential and I could help the planet survive. And they put me back in my ship and I woke up and he said, I'm waiting for them to come back. I want them to come back. And I asked the room, I got up and I said, of all of you who've been taken, how many of you would want to repeat the experience or have it happen again? And about half of them said no, no way they'd want it to happen again. And half said, yeah, we'd like it to happen again. Yeah.

Yeah. Half, yeah. Now, I love a good anecdote. So Bruce signed this to me, and I'm going to give it to you. Oh, thank you. And it's just got great headlines from the 50s which was a massive time for saucers.

You know that famous photo of the saucers over the Capitol, the glowing lights. See if you can find that photo, Jamie, because it is quite

interesting. July 1952, Washington. Do you think this was initiated by the detonation of the atomic bombs at Hiroshima and

Nagasaki where they decided, okay, these fucking monkeys are doing some stupid shit. We need to go down there and see what's up and see if there's imminent danger to the cosmos. Let's find out what kind of capabilities they have. Because if you listen to Lazar or if you believe the work of Zechariah Sitchin or any of the people that believe that human beings were engineered, Zachariah Sitchin or any of the people that believe that human beings were engineered. The reason why there's this giant leap between us and the rest of the primates on the planet is because something came down and manipulated our genetics. Well, the movie Mission to Mars with Tim Robbins, you know, basically it says that. You know, basically it shows the face on Mars.

And that is one of NASA employees' favorite movies. Yeah, there they are. uf incident thank you very much photo that is a beautiful come on let's go here now that's crazy yeah that ain't an airplane that ain't a helicopter no it's a crazy photograph and it's from 1952 i mean the the special effects back then were incredibly crude no this was something that was reported by thousands of people. Thousands of people. They scrambled jets from Andrews Fort and everything. As well as the Phoenix Lights. The Phoenix Lights is fascinating. Yeah.

Because, you know, Fife Symington, the governor, said he saw them. He made fun of it with an alien dummy. Yeah, but he talked about that afterwards. Yeah. He was put under pressure to do so. Yeah, yeah. He's in a movie called, what is it? There's a documentary on Netflix.

It's available that he's in that he talks about the pressure that they put on him to make light of that incident. And he talks about his own personal experiences with seeing something, some sort of triangle-shaped craft that was enormous, the size of several football fields. It was flying overhead. It was completely silent and how it freaked him out. The triangle and delta crafts are very very interesting but uh the tinley park incidents of the uh of the 80s uh and uh with sam aranto was the investigator there from ufon these things would park over the family barbecue for about half an hour and you know families and suburbs were looking up them the sky being blotted out by these things parking above them so yeah i think it comes down to they i don't think these beings i well lord hill norton

said there were 23 different species visiting the planet in 23 different types of ships i don't think they want a formal relationship with people on earth they want an informal secret relationship i think they probably have one with elements of the black elements of the air force and the government. You know who David Sarita is? I've heard his name. David Sarita, you should have him on. He's very knowledgeable about this. His theory is that the Roswell event may have been precipitated by the Trinity explosion because there was such an interdimensional disturbance of the atoms being split and that explosion. that saucer there that went down in 47 may have may have been influenced somehow negatively by by that explosion now stanton friedman didn't didn't buy that i loved stanton he just passed away there he was the expert on roswell yeah i'm upset that i

never got to meet him before he died he was so credible interesting guy who believed in ufos but believed most people were not were lying about them. Really? Really? Well, he believed that there was a lot of horse shit going on, including Bob Lazar. He thought Bob Lazar was full of shit. Well, again, why would Bob go out there and do that and compromise his life? Well, let me tell you something. After talking to him for three hours and having dinner with him the night before,

I used to believe I had the best bullshit meter in the world, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten more honest. And I didn't see anything. He's an incredibly smart guy, and he's not a guy who's seeking out attention, and he's not profiting from this. Just his demeanor and everything. Jeez, he's like an accountant.

He's a legitimate scientist yeah i mean and i've talked to him uh one of the things that i engaged him with when we had dinner we talked about science just science in general and we talked about all sorts of different things and um and he's a scientist he's a legit scientist i've talked to a lot of them yeah i know what kind of person he is he's a and they just hassled him again there they rated his uh his his nuclear isotope he has element 115. That's what they think. Wouldn't we all love to have that?

Yeah, that's what they think. Some artist created that thing up there with element 115. Yeah, element 115, indeed. Well, if you get a little sliver of that, that would be pretty exciting. He talked openly about it in the 90s that he had managed to weasel some away from the area S4. And they think that he still has it. There were some experiments that he had done that George Knapp had actually filmed that had showed some really bizarre distortions using this stuff. And then it was able to – I've got to remember exactly what it did that they showed.

I got to remember exactly what it did that they showed. But they did some experiments with like steam or smoke or something like that where they showed element 115 emitting some sort of… Vapor. Well, no. It was emitting some sort of a field where you literally couldn't physically touch this stuff. Yeah. It would be nice to find that. That's for sure. But I believe Bob.

I do. And I believe Barney and Betty. And I believe Travis. I want to believe all of them i believe yeah i believe the allagash guys why would why would they do this because people are full of shit they love to lie they love attention they love crazy stories people love telling you they're psychic people love believing in astrology people but people believe in bigfoot i think that there's a lot of people out there that want fantastic things to be real, including me. It's exciting.

It's way more exciting than not being real. It is entertaining. That's why I love the whole subject. That's my problem with it. The thing is that these people were severely damaged. Like, Barney Hill was damaged. The Allagash Boys were damaged. Travis Walton were psychologically damaged by these experiences.

Allegedly. We don't know. I mean, they might have been damaged already. This might have been... I accept that. Yeah, this might have been something where... But you read Contact, and you've seen Betty interviewed.

Doesn't she come off as someone who is extremely credible? She does. She does. So does Barney. Betty and Barney Hill. They're an interesting couple because they were an interracial couple.

What year was this that this happened? So they were dealing with all sorts of pressure this was during the civil rights movement and they were you know some you know they were pretty it was it was not the what you would expect for people that were calling out and trying to get attention and the way you know the way they described this it resonated with people well he was having nightmares and rashes and they had to come to some medical conclusion about it and they consulted a friend consistent the story was extremely consistent it was and they they consulted a friend at the air force uh you know who they knew and they they came to ben simon and that no it's a it's a fascinating story there's this you know

it's it's just it's just in a way as again it's it's very, very, very entertaining. How did you get involved in this? Well, my mother worked for the Ministry of Munitions and Supply in World War II for the minister, and she was suborned to work with the aircraft production for the Hurricane. She was in charge of working with getting the Hurricane fuselages built in Canada for the hurricane she was in charge of uh working with uh getting the hurricane fuselages built in canada for for the for the hurricane fighter plane so she was you know in the world of aviation and in 1947 she was walking down spark street in ottawa and she looked up in the sky and she was sort of said something told me to look up and she said she saw what looked like a christmas tree ornament just winking above the street about four or five hundred feet, winking on and off, red, green, white, red, green, white. And she thought, that's odd, you know. And then she looked at it and she just zipped off in the sky and disappeared.

And around the house after that point, we always had articles. There's an article, there's a cover of Life Magazine with Marilyn Monroe, talked about flying saucers. There's a cover of Look Magazine with Elizabeth Taylor. It talked about flying saucers. There's a cover of Look Magazine with Elizabeth Taylor. It catalogs the Barney and Betty Hill incident. So whenever one of those articles come up, she always had that at home for me to read. So I was interested in it from then. And I've had four sightings myself, quite vivid. The first one was in Martha's Vineyard.

It was four in the morning. I got up to take a leak on the balcony there and I looked up in the sky and about 100,000 feet up, I saw two glowing disks flying in echelon formation. You saw this? I saw this. How old were you?

I was in my 30s, yeah. And so I look up and I see these things and they're moving, man. They're going from horizon to horizon, 20,000 miles an hour. And I've been in an F5. I've had it in my hands.

I've been in a B25. I know helicopters. I know aviation. I know meteoric bull rides. I know what's not a meteor and what is. I know what's a helicopter and what is. I know what's the moon and Venus. Two glowing, glowing round objects, 100,000 feet,

maybe 20,000 miles an hour they do in because they went across the sky like just in a zigzag formation so if I scream to my wife my friends they got out the three of us saw it and I said you know and they all knew it was something unusual that was my first sighting okay now who knows okay meteoric bull ride there are many people that can dispute that that wasn't real but I know what I saw I know what my friends saw I know what my wife saw those things were moving they were glowing fast they were flying in formation. And they were doing enough speed to get from basically the right side of my eyes to the left side of my eyes really fast.

The second one was I was in – so that's four. I count those two as two. And then the second one that I saw, so the one, two. The third one I saw, I was in Montreal, Canada, and I was on the 23rd floor of the Queen Elizabeth Hotel. And this would have been when we were doing Patron in Canada, the Patron tequila promotion. And that was, would have been in the early two thousands. And, uh, and I looked, um, up and, uh, beyond the window there and I saw this. It just looked like an air mattress turned over on its, you know, with the bubbles on the bottom.

It was huge. It was 150 feet long, 50 feet wide. Gray. It was a gray, rainy day in Montreal. Broad daylight. And here was this thing at the 23rd story of the hotel. And I'm looking at it and it moves slowly down St. Catherine street. And I'm thinking, where are the wires? Where are the wires? Where it's gotta be a balloon. It's gotta be, there's no Thanksgiving day parade here. What,

what, what is that? And my friends are with me. What is that? And it come along and just parked outside the window. We looked at it big gray thing with these bulbs underneath, and then it slowly turned and we saw the full length of it. And then it went around the window. We looked at it, big gray thing with these bulbs underneath, and then it slowly turned and we saw the full length of it. And then it went around the corner. We ran out in the hall and we just watched a drift kind of sideways off over the St. Lawrence river and disappear.

Well, you know, did people take pictures of this? No, we didn't get any pictures and I don't know who else saw it. What year was this? Uh, in the 2000, let's see five or six, something like that. Um, and then the, did who else saw it. What year was this? In the 2000, let's see, five or six, something like that. Did other people report it? No, I don't know.

I should have checked and seen in Montreal at the local MUFON. I think they have a representative up there. But it was vivid. We all saw it. And then the fourth one that I saw, I was on my motorcycle leaving town to go at Kingston, Ontario, where I live there. And I was driving out of the farm gate and I saw there's a power line that runs on the opposite farm there across the road. And I saw this winking red light just moving slowly along the top of the power pylons. And I thought, well, you know, helicopters do do that kind of work

where they string power lines, but they don't really do it at night. I thought that's got to be a chopper, a hydro chopper, like a hydro company chopper watching the power lines checking for faults or I don't know. And it goes along like this and I'm watching it and I stop the bike, you know, and then it stops and makes a right angle turn and comes right at me. So I turn on, I have a police motorcycle, so I turn on my wigwags, you know, like that. You have a police motorcycle? Of course. Why do you have a police motorcycle, so I turn on my wigwags, you know, like that. You have a police motorcycle? Of course. Why do you have a police motorcycle?

I have a police, well. Are you a cop? Damn, awkward. Imagine getting pulled over by a Blues Brother. Wouldn't that be good? I've actually had the experience of actually pulling some people over. You pulled people over? Sure.

Why'd you pull them over? You're a sheriff? Well, I was a reserve. Representative, deputy sheriff. You and Ted Nugent. reserve a reserve i must say but i served under the first african-american sheriff in heinz county mississippi and its history anyway back to my sighting the thing comes along i i put on the the wigwags and the bike and it stops above me and it turns on a light and i'm going it looked like where's the rotor whop where's's the wash? Come on, a helicopter at 3,000 feet, you can hear it. This thing's like 300, 400 feet above me. I'm looking at the thing. I'm

thinking, where's the wash? It looks like a helicopter. It's got to be a helicopter. Do I see a canopy? Do I see rings, rotors? Nothing. Just a mass of kind of metallic and lights and it just shines this light on me and I turned the lights on the bike on and then turned them off, and then it winked the light off, and it just drifted out over the field and just drifted off like that. So you've had three different instances. And then one night, well, one night I was in bed. I was in bed with my wife.

It was in the 1987 or so, and I woke bolt upright at three in the morning. I said, I got to go outside. I got to go outside. They're calling me. They're calling me. They want me to see. They want me to see. And she says, oh, go back to sleep.

So I went back to sleep. Next day, all over the radio of upstate New York, they talked about a big pink spiral in the sky that had appeared to upstate, northeastern Ontario and upstate New York. And they were saying, oh, it was a Chinese rocket. What, a bottle rocket or the Chinese sent a rocket? This was the explanation that the media

and the government was giving at the time. So those are my experiences right there. So that's how you got hooked. And then an interesting thing happened where I was doing a show called Out There, Beyond Belief, and we were doing it over there for Bonnie Hammer over there at the Sci-Fi Channel. And it was an interview show where I talked to Doug Meldrum, the Sasquatch expert, and all kinds of – I've talked to Doug. Yeah.

I believe him. I believe him. He's passionate about it. I don't see why. He's also a scientist. I talked to all those people. But the day that I believe him. He's passionate about it. I don't see why. He's also a scientist. I talk to all those people, but the day that I had Steve. Do you think Sasquatch is real? Yes, I do.

I believe that there's got to be. Do you know Gabrielle Reese, the Olympian? Sure. I've heard her on the podcast. Have you? She talked about her Sasquatch experience? No. Now I need to talk to her again.

Yeah, you really do. She's so gigantic and beautiful. I would imagine Sasquatch wanted to breed with her. Well, that's why. Apparently, it shook a camper that she was up in upstate Washington. Yeah, a big, giant woman, super athlete. She was attacked. Her camper was attacked by one.

She tells that story, yeah. But where was I? Where do we go back to the Gabrielle Reese Sasquatch? I had interviewed all kinds of people on this show. You were talking about Sasquatch. I had interviewed all kinds of people on this show. You were talking about Sasquatch. It was supposed to be a show on Sci-Fi Channel, an interview show, where I'd interviewed everybody, all the people in the field of cryptozoology and that, and sci-fi and science fiction and theory and UFOs.

I had Stephen Greer and Stephen Bassett on that same day. I've had Stephen Greer on the show too. Okay. So I interview Stephen Bassett and I'm about to interview Greer and I get a call at, in about like noon at our noon break and they call and they say, your show's canceled. We want you out of the studio by the end of the

day and we're not going to air anything that you've done. Stephen Greer, Stephen Bassett, Stephen Greer, the UFO show, it gets canceled that day. Now, maybe Ms. Hammer made a decision, you know, talk shows aren't really our thing or Ackroyd's not really what we want on our network or I don't know. Was she called by someone or what? Why that day when I was going to do this vivid, you know, UFO show that was going to go out on the air eventually. Why then did it get canceled?

How are the ratings? Well, no, we never got to air. I did 26 of them and we never got to air. It never got to air? No, no. So you just filmed them and it never got to air? Did you guys do any wacky ones where they got to film and were like, what are these crazy fuckers doing?

Was there any of that? Like if you were a non-believer, non-UFO enthusiast. It was a pure interview show. I didn't show any footage. I just interviewed. Just talked to people. Yeah. So the day of my UFO show that I was going to do, my big Stephen Greer and Stephen Batchett

show, it got canceled. So, you know, there's that. But do you think that they would, listen, sci-fi is all about those shows. I mean, I watched an episode of sci-fi where there's a bunch of people that claim to be trapped in a cabin in Maine because werewolves were outside. It's just like, they're into nonsense. They don't do talk shows. I did a show on sci-fi. Talk show?

I did a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. How long did it last? Not very long, but part of that was my idea. And then you worked for Bonnie? I didn't want to keep doing it. You worked for Bonnie Hammer, right? No, it was different people back then. Because she's one of the smartest executives in the industry, and I don't doubt that she'll

be running NBC someday or all of Universal, but I just, I would always like to know what happened. Did someone call you, Bonnie, and say, you know, don't bring this up now? I don't know. I just don't think anyone's going to call people about UFOs. I mean, if they're going to make phone calls, they're going to, you know, take out Don Lemon or something because he talks shit about Trump. They're not going to, you know what I mean? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, maybe she just. It doesn't make sense. I mean, if they're going to make phone calls, they're going to, you know, take out Don Lemon or something because he talks shit about Trump. You know what I mean?

It doesn't make sense. I don't know. I'd always like to know what happened. UFOs are openly discredited by normal people. Well, not entirely, though. Half the world believes. If you look at the work of Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keen, New York Times reporters, they're credibly reporting this stuff.

Barney and Betty Hill, the state of New Hampshire, has certified their experience with a plaque. You can go to the place where they were allegedly abducted, and the state of New Hampshire has UFO incident right there. Right, but we both know that that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean it happened. Well, it means it's a state-certified or state-recognized paranormal experience you can get anything certified in new hampshire that's a goofy place well i don't have shout out to new hampshire adam sandler comes from there that's one he's a he's a uh definitely a national treasure there it is there it is the betty and barney hill incident isn't that great i mean wow like a state certified and also another state certified paranormal. Oh, 61. 61, right. It was right around the time, that was a couple months before Kennedy was shot, right?

Wasn't he shot in November? 63 for him, right? Yeah, oh, was it 63? Yeah, 63, and that wasn't 47. Yeah, but there you go. There, there you go. So look at that. A couple Betty and Barney Hill experience a close encounter with a 9.5-foot-long-

And then in Marfa, Texas, you heard of the Marfa Lights? No, I have not heard of them. The Marfa Lights are these anomalous, and that's a state kind of recognized paranormal mystery too, mysterious Marfa Lights. They have a kind of a picnic area where you can watch them at night. No one knows what they are. They appear every night, and they bounce around on the horizon. They go up and down

and back and forth. People say, oh, they're headlights from different cars on the highway, but the Air Force, the state police, they've all tried to figure out what they are, and they just don't know what the Marfa lights are. And they're recognized by the state of Texas as a paranormal event. But I like your skeptical view. Yes, I do. Yeah, ball lightning is a real thing that's created by pressure inside the tectonic plates.

But every night, consistently going back and forth in symmetrical patterns. But I mean, every night, can we go there tonight and go film it? Yes, we could. 100%. Absolutely. Really? Yep. Marfa lights.

How many videos of the Marfa lights are available? Go ahead. Marfa, Texas, NAR. There they are. Let me see what we got here. Whoa. What do we got here? Yeah.

No one knows. That's rednecks. They're driving their trucks over the hill. Well, that's what they say in the Air Force and the police. They've looked in there. They've done surveys. They've done geodetic surveys. What is it?

Is it gas? Is it what? What do they think it is? What's the official explanation? No one knows. Mystery lights. The state of Texas has a little plaque. The Marfa mystery lights.

Enjoy them because they're there. They're going to be there tonight. 6 p.m. to 2 in the morning. Really? Every night? Every night. Every night. You get a place out there. Every night.m. to 2 in the morning. Really? Every night? Every night. Every night. You've got to get a place out there.

Every night. Smoke weed and stare at the sky. Is there any UFO sightings that you think are nonsense? Is there any mainstream ones that you listen to and you're like, I'm not buying that one? Well, all the people that I've talked to that have had sightings and have had experiences seem very genuine. I don't know anyone that's been blown out publicly that I would doubt. I mean, can you think of one? I believe the Allagash Boys, Calvin Parker down there in Mississippi, the Pascagoula incident.

I mean, again, their lives were severely negatively affected by these experiences. Right, but they didn't know whether or not that was going to be the case when they reported on it. A lot of people do silly things that negatively affect their life. Yeah. And they're not future tellers. There's a guy there, he says that the alien appeared at his back screen porch door. He's in Colorado. Do you know that gentleman?

He says that the— You have balls deep in this door. He's in Colorado. Do you know that gentleman? He says that the- You're balls deep in this, man. You know all these stories. This guy, I don't really, I don't know if I believe him because- No? Yeah, Colorado, alien at the back door. I don't know. Doesn't seem right.

I just looked, I don't know if I believe him or not. It's just like he was fabricating there, that guy. I'm sure there's a lot of people fabricating things, and I'm also sure there's a lot of people that believe they're telling a true story but in fact they're schizophrenic or they have some issues or there's i think there's a lot of that you know billy meyer was was doubted for sure what do you think about him the pictures are so vivid and the plating plating story so vivid i don't i don't i mean a book uh billy meyer uh you can put billy meyer ufo uh photos Where's he from?

He was a Swiss. Yeah, we have his book. That was that. I know. Somebody came to the comedy store and gave me this book on that guy. With the big pictures on it. Yeah, there it is. Isn't that widely proven that that guy's full of shit?

Well, look at the one by the pine tree. They're going, oh, he attached the saucer to the pine tree. I heard he threw it in the air and took a picture of it. Okay, well, that's one theory. But wasn't it, you know, didn't they do that just to show the scale of their ship? And some of those photos

are pretty convincing. I don't know. Okay, if you want to say doubt. One guy who keeps taking awesome pictures of UFOs, I'm not buying it. Well, again, you know, if there was anyone that I had doubt,

because so much doubt has been thrown his way, that's pretty, I mean, how do you, well, I suppose with Photoshop, but Bruce McAbee, I believe, Bruce McAbee's analyzed these. He wrote this book. He says they're real. Right, but a guy who's writing a book on UFOs is analyzing UFO pictures, saying they're real. This guy wants to believe. But Bruce McAbee is a doctor, and he's a scientist he's a he would work for the naval air i want to talk to his ex-girlfriends see if he's full of shit so you know what i'm saying like like you could say all these positive things about yeah he was he worked for the navy he was that one he's the expert well he's the

expert he said that's the gucci version yeah that's it yeah look at those balls what are they bling bling those are the pinballs that would if you had an instagram account and you an alien that's the one you but i think he did a photo he did a photo analysis and he said that uh that bruce believes the real and i believe bruce if you if you read uh this book here he's uh he's the real thing liquid stanton was the real thing bruce mcabee's the real thing because uh they're they're scientists who are doing um you know very very uh thorough and close inquiry on the matter. So if you ask me who I doubt, maybe, I don't know, Billy Meyer. I don't know.

I don't know. Yeah, he took too many. Yeah. If he had like three. It's like a glut. It's like too much chocolate. Yeah, come on, bro. That's all you're doing?

You're out there and they just come to you? Why don't you set up a camera crew 24-7 for a couple weeks? Well, Stephen Greer uses lasers. He points them up to the sky and kind of attracts them that way. Yeah. You know, he's, yeah, well. He and his wife and daughters have said that, you know, they've sat out and watched these things come and go in North Carolina at their house.

But people saying that something happened and something actually happened. Well, how about all the photos? But his thing is about UFOs. He's made documentaries about ufos his business is he knows a lot about ufos what you want to grier i'm not buying what you want is you want the sam you want the uh you want the herb schirmer story what's the herb schirmer story nebraska highway patrolman on patrol sees a flash of light in the ashland oil refinery near nebraska flash of light and oil refinery in the broad daylight not a good thing could be a fire goes up not into ufos highway

patrolman goes up he was taken into a ship and deposited he's one of the famous ones so no agenda there didn't want to tell a story again got into trouble for him here's the thing herb schirmer herb shirmer m-e-r to Herb, but some cops are crooked. They steal people's money. Some cops rape people. Some cops pull people over for nothing. Some people shoot people for non-existing crimes. There's a lot of people that just happen to be police officers that are also full of shit.

A lot of people are full of shit. That's true. But again, here he is. He's that a lot of people are full of shit that's true but i you know again here he is he's a guy why would he say that the other one is where's his evidence well his evidence is anecdotal like a lot of it but that's a problem right well the phoenix the phoenix lights there's there's video of that that's a different one that's a different story um lani zamora z-a-m-o-r-a he was a new mexico highway patrolman he said a saucer landed and he saw it land and dan akroyroyd, everybody wants to be special. And one of the best ways to be special is for you to have a special moment with some special creatures from a special place.

And no one else can recognize whether or not you're telling the truth or not telling the truth. You talk about this, and everybody wants to listen. And they listen to you. They're totally fixated on everything you like to say. Well, how about Pervez Jafari? Pervez Jafari. I like the name. Okay.

Who's Pervez Jafari? He was an Iranian Air Force pilot. He still lives in Iran. He does many lectures. And he did the famous, it's the Iranian Tehran UFO sighting. He chased a UFO in his jet, and the thing turned off all the electronics in the jet, and he said this thing was moving.

How about General Debreuer? Well, how about David Fravor? I don't know him. He's the guy that they were talking about on the Bob Lazar documentary. He experienced something that flew exactly like the Lazar ones. I'm going to talk to him soon. And he's incredibly credible and you know military accolades he's a very well respected guy and he's never had any other fantastical sort of stories

that he's told i can't wait to talk to him about this yeah pavraz jafari is a good guest too you should get him out and then there's the guy who flew the alaskan uh you know the japan airlines flight with all the wine on it and the us above Alaska, it circled them several times. That's a famous story. I'd get a bottle of that wine. Yeah, that would be, yeah. So Alaska Airlines sighting, that's another one. So, no, but I like your view.

You are not going to sit here and say, oh, it's all true. I'm accepting it all. It's too easy. All I give you here today from my experience is the ones that I believe. And that's Betty and Barney Hill, Travis Walton. Oh, my gosh, boys. Yeah, Betty and Barney Hill are a really interesting one. Because also there wasn't a precedent.

Betty and Barney Hill in 1961, there wasn't a bunch of people that were talking about these things happening to them. And since then, there have been very many that were really similar very similar and it makes you wonder because here's but this is what i want to say to people that are skeptical and of course i'm skeptical that's why i'm knocking holes in these things yeah but if that if it did happen and you were left alone to try to explain to people something that is incredibly unique very few people ever experience it it would be so hard to get people to believe you well that's why you have to go to a professional you go to a professional even there's no such thing you know well there's someone who can professional means you make money

doing it means you studied it and you make money doing it there's not a single fucking human being on this planet that's a professional explorer of other worlds right there's not a single person on this planet that is a professional expert on alien civilization and could tell you everything they need to know i know more about french about the language the french language than anyone that's ever lived knows about alien civilizations and i don't know shit about french do you know what i'm saying yep i know it's a real place. I know France is a real place and French is a real language and I could say poly-vous-francais.

That's more than anybody can explain about any civilization on some other planet. You've got to take the credentials of the people who report these things. I do, I do. But their credentials are entirely terrestrial. They are. That's right.

No. You know, UFOs, generals, pilots on UFOs go on the record that's Leslie Keen's book and there's some pretty compelling stories Do you remember Arsenio Hall when he had that thing he would do things that make you go hmm Hundreds in states see flying saucers

Indianapolis News This is a neat book by Bruce I believe Bruce was the real thing I believe Stanton is the real thing Jay allen hynek is one of the more interesting characters to me because i love project blue book yeah he ran project blue book and his directive was to debunk these stories whether or not they were credible he was his directive was to say that's a weather balloon that's a that's a star this is a swamp gas that was his directive but then when he left project blue book he said listen these things are real yeah 20 of sightings

are explained yeah he said these things are real and when you when you talk to a man like that who's living was in debunking these things and then after it all over, he was compelled to communicate with the American public that there was a real situation going on. There is. He's really interesting to me. And Ken Arnold, his sighting is pretty compelling. Sure. So I don't think they want to form a relationship with us.

I think they're coming and going like taxis, and they have been since the beginning of the existence of life on this planet or the existence of this planet do you think they engineered human beings well that mission to mars movie is one of nasa employees favorite movies i think maybe they might have a mission to mars tim robbins really good picture it's a doc it's not a feature it's a feature yeah mission to mars yeah what's it about it's about the mission to mars and then discovering there was a civilization there and that perhaps we were helped along in our development. What year was this around?

I'm not sure. 2000. Really? Really good. Oh, I remember. It was like a horror movie. Here's the Marilyn Monroe. Yes, I saw that movie.

Marilyn Monroe. There's a case for interplanetary saucers. That was in Life Magazine. Okay, I remember this movie. Was that a good movie? It was. It was really good. In the end I remember this movie. Was that a good movie? It was. It was really good. In the end, Tim Robbins kind of floats off in space.

There's been a few astronauts that got really deep into UFOs, right? Absolutely. Edgar Mitchell. Edgar Mitchell was one of them. Well, I have an interesting story for you, and this is, of course, totally anecdotal. I need another drink. It's part of the lore. And may I?

Do you want another drink? Hell yeah. Okay, so. Do you want another drink? Hell yeah. Okay. So Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. I do believe that we actually rent to the moon. I, I, I don't believe that, um, I don't believe, uh, that, uh, that's a fake, uh, experience. I, you know, I'm going to say people say, oh, well it was black and the dust didn't, you know, the dust flew up and it wouldn't.

It wouldn't. Crystal Head Vodka, cleanest vodka on the planet. Anyway, so I believe the one. And, you know, Buzz Aldrin, a good friend of mine, as a good friend of everybody's, but I love Buzz. And so they go to the moon. And I love that story about there was only 17 seconds of fuel left when they landed. And then he had to kind of hop over some rocks to get there, you know. So there's a story that Neil Armstrong was at a conference in France in a hotel room. And there was a woman there who had been previously head of MI6.

And she was a part of this cocktail party. And she overheard a conversation between Neil Armstrong and another gentleman who was in the intelligence service. And the guy was asking him about the moon landing. And Neil said, you know, there was a frequency that we switched to to talk about other things that were happening at that time. And the guy said, what do you mean?

And he said, when we landed there, on the rim of the crater nearby he said there were several ships and they were large and menacing what's a menacing ship shaped like one of your bottles of skulls well no that no this is a happy skull no the coneheads starship remember the conehead starship i do remember that so i mean that's a total i mean but i think you know if that if you deal arm if that's true you know well well he only said that one time in french maybe they yeah you know the woman again the woman do you want this oh i might as well have a straight right uh the woman the woman was with mi6 purportedly that's kind of a neat story you know of course it's a neat story edgar mitchell said that he saw something out there too right uh your mitchell did and uh he was a he's he's passed condon he's

passed away since right yeah yeah no there were he was a firm believer and the and then the sts 1979 sts space shuttle footage you've seen that sts 1979 uh tether uh satellite tether break oh i have seen yeah The tether broke off. It was a mile long and they were supposed to spin off a satellite. It was a mile long and it broke.

So the tether is a mile long. But in the back of the tether you see these old lifesaver shaped rings going back and forth. Well, David Cereda says that's a species that was trying to help the planet

and they were bringing giant water bags and giant, giant water vessels to heal our ozone layer it was the sts 1979 space shuttle uh tether water heals ozone layers water these water yeah water water to big big massive massive dumps of water these were supposed to be these O-shaped, lifesaver-shaped UFO figures. And then what he did was he compared them against the length of the tether,

which was a mile long, and said these things would have had to have been quite large. Now, that's David Cereda. You should have him on. He's a brilliant ufologist and theorist. And STS Space Shuttle, 1979. And then Lonnie Zamoraora you should also check and herb

schirmer sch uh irmar and leslie keen and ralph blumenthal you know this is uh just a piece of paper but there's a video for there you go evidence for x and plasmas in the thermosphere there we go there 10 separate nasa space shuttle meshes over 200 miles above the earth within the the thermosphere the structures appear to be self-illuminated, may be several meters or kilometers in size, and have four distinct morphologies. What is this? What's the title of this? Who's this from?

Emeritus Brain Research Laboratory, Northern California, cosmology.com. I've never seen that. That's pretty neat. I don't know. I just stumbled across it. It may be bullshit. Ron Joseph, Ph.D., Center for Cosmology, Silicon Valley, California. See if you can find it.

But there is video footage. There is video. The tether. The video is weird. And someone described it as ice crystals. And they said the perspective is what's screwing everybody up. As the ice crystals are between us and the cable. But it makes it look like they're enormous

but they're actually quite small i think i think at this point we can accept that that these ships are real that they're advanced can we yes we can i think we can accept that there's just so many so much so much footage so many reports ted phillips has trace evidence so many landing sites so many i think we'd accept they're real i I think we accept these beings are real. There are many different species. Some are benevolent to us. Some are malevolent. What we have to get past is, okay, now that we know that, how will that help human transformation?

Now, John Mack, at the session I was at, at the Fifth Avenue Medical Institute, a woman got up and she said, I was a socialite in Massachusetts. All I cared about was money and spending money and where I could go and spend money and buying things. And one afternoon I was in my garden and an orange orb came into the garden and a figure got out and lectured me. You have so much power. Just like the guy in the sailboat. You can make this planet a better place. Your obligation now is to use your power and your wealth to make this planet a better place. And she is now one of the leading environmentalists on the planet. She

devotes her money and time to this. What's her name? I don't know her name. I don't remember her name, but Jan Harzan, I do know his name. He's head of MUFON. And why is Jan Harzan, an IBM, ex-IBM mainframe engineer, head of MUFON, because when he was a boy in Marin County, California, he and his brother were left for the weekend. He was a 10 and 12-year-old brother, 12-year-old brother, and he was 10.

An orange orb dropped into his backyard and two beings got out and played with them for several hours. And then he came back the next day and Jan said, I have to go into science i gotta know what that was that wasn't a helicopter that wasn't a have you had jan on have you had no yeah i have jan on and you should have uh okay you should have jan on you should have beverly trout on she's the um she's the midwestern one of the directors for mid the midwest sam maranto the expert on the

tinley park cases which that is so great i want to point out that dan akroyd has no notes in front of him these notes are these words are just flying out that Dan Aykroyd has no notes in front of him. These words are just flying out of his head. These names are deeply ingrained in his memory. The Tinley Park, I mean, Delta's parking above your family barbecue. So it's entertaining. We've got to get past that they exist and get to the point of how do we benefit our planet? How do we make this planet better?

How do we take these warnings? The Day the Earth Stood Still, one of the greatest UFO movies ever. He comes down and down and he says you know these nuclear toys you're playing with we don't we don't like that you know so i think that there's some intervention uh to barada nick to plot to barada nick to patricia neil and that's what a great movie man that's that's an inaugural movie yeah what year was that have you shown your children that movie yet you know not yet you should show your girls out that was in the 50s. Yeah, that's a great one. And because it really took the real science of what was going on. And it took all of the stories that were reported in Bruce's book here and kind of distilled them into a theory of what might be happening. How much of your day do you spend thinking about this?

Well, I am an eternal researcher. And I'm always looking for stories. I love the MUFON stuff that's coming out. You know, my family was into paranormal research. That's why I wrote the Ghostbusters. My dad was a researcher, and his father. That's why you wrote Ghostbusters? Yeah, because we have an old farm in Canada,

and my grandfather was a dentist in Kingston, Ontario in the 20s, and a man walked up to him. He had been researching psychic research in the other world and mediumship for many years. And a guy walked up to him and said, Dr. Aykroyd, I believe that I have a gift. And his name was Walter Ashurst. He was a locomotive mechanic at the local engine works. And he was our family medium for at least, I don't know, 15 years.

And we would have seances in the 20s and 30s. And Sunday afternoon, the big Dodges and Cadillacs would pull up and the women, the matrons would get out. And my great-grandfather would have a 90-minute session with the medium. And they would channel entities from the other side. Have you heard of the Fox sisters and the whole Lillydale thing, the whole mediumship of the concept that, concept that you know we are that life lives beyond what we have here do you know who john edwards is the the psychic on television yeah isn't he full of shit no he's very busted no he's well you know what happened i think he got busted with an earpiece well he didn't see if john edwards the psychic got busted he was he he had some very well maybe you know sometimes what happens, sometimes what happens is they lose their powers and they are unable to.

Or they're full of shit the entire time. They just get slippery. John Edwards, though, I watched his show. I kind of believed him. I'm not sure if he was the one that got busted. One of those psychics got busted. I'd like to sit you across from Penn Jillette. Yeah, of course.

You talk to him? Well, he's an expert debunker of all this stuff. Yeah, of course. You ever talk to him? Well, he's an expert debunker of all this stuff. Yeah, super skeptical. I would love to have Penn Jillette tell me what he thinks of the Fox sisters. Why they went around the world

with a spirit that performed with them. A what? What happened? A spirit rapped? A spirit rapped, yeah. What kind of rapping? R-A-P.

Not rapping. Yeah, not like, yeah. Oh, I thought you meant like music. Yeah. Not like, yeah. Oh, I thought you meant like music. Reverberant rapping, yeah. Oh. No, I'd love to, I'd love to, you know. So, so.

Spirit rapper. Mediumship. That's, that's a very, that's a very big thing. I, I, yeah. Insane clown posse or, yeah. Slipknot. There we go. But I, I, I believe that we, the consciousness can survive after death.

There's a school called Arthur Findlay College in England, and you can go there and train to be a medium. Why you'd want to, I don't know. It's very exhausting. Can you imagine shutting down your whole system, going into a trance, reaching the other side, having that entity come through the other side, use your body, use your fluids, use everything, and then abandon you after, and then just go? It's exhausting, exhausting. But my family researched mediumship, and I wrote Ghostbusters based upon, you know, it's just our family interest. Wow. On the Fox sisters.

So you're all in. The Fox sisters. You should get them up. There's a picture of them, Fox sisters. In 1848, they were lying in bed in their new house near Hydesville, New York, and all of a sudden this kind of rapping started terrifying them. They thought it was confined just to that house in Hydesville, but they managed to take it around. When they went to Rochester, it happened in houses.

When they went to a theater, it happened in front of 300, 400 people. And eventually they toured the world with this act. They called it the Peddler, and was uh someone who was killed and murdered and buried in the house uh in the basement john edwards a hoser your pop-off there they are john edwards i looked him up it didn't come up necessarily he was they were all they were all and they went around the world tipping tables and and uh and uh look at them yeah that's a drawing they're not even real people they never existed no they did they did they were they were and they were very well scrutinized maggie in the end of her life said no we were we were producing

we were producing these reverberant wraps they have a head what is that is that them um what the hell is that no what that's that that's out of my realm there's something about mean-faced ladies from like the 1800s to scare the shit out of yeah there's the there's the cottage there's just such a hard time to be alive that's the cottage that it occurred in and you know they said it was the ghost of the peddler that was murdered in the basement and they looked down they did find some bones but every time they tried to build the groundwater a dig for the bones the groundwater kept filling up anyway maggie at the end of her life said no no we were faking it i was creating the wraps maggie said she was faking it but she said i was creating the raps these reverberated in concert halls right with my knees and my knuckles you know now i can crack my knuckles maybe in my

knees but you can't make them they were slapsies they were wrappings and then and then yep and then she recanted it and said the the skeptics made me do it. I was talked into it. There was so much pressure on me. And in the end of her life, she then recanted her recantion, her retraction of it. But very convincing. That was the origin of spirituality. People were looking for a new religion.

You had Mormonism that had come in in the 20s. You had all kinds of Protestantism. That area of New York was called the Burnt Over District because the preachers had all been through there, people who were believing in all kinds of different religions. They were looking for something new, and spirituality and spiritualism gave them that. But I've had people contact me that have passed in dreams. I've never seen a ghost. I've never experienced that. But I do believe that consciousness survives after death. I do believe that. It's an interesting idea.

There's no evidence that it doesn't. I think that reincarnation is also a fascinating concept that's repeated in many different cultures, and I wonder why. There's a great Tyler Childers song called Born Again, and it's about things living and dying and being reincarnated in different times. And I think that's very attractive to people, the idea that our physical body is one thing, but the spiritual body is something entirely different. Well, I think that, you know, atheists and – It's attractive. It is attractive. Atheists are never going to believe that. They you know, atheists and- It's attractive. It is attractive. Atheists are never going to believe that.

They're not going to accept that. It's hopeful. It gives us a little hope. And after all, you know, the Kirlians, they- Who's that? They were a Russian research group. They're famous for the experiment where the Kirlian photography, K-I-R-L-I-A-N, and you want a little citrus?

They photographed a woman. She sat there and she was able to blow smoke into a fishbowl and shape the smoke in the fishbowl. So here are some Kirlian images. They photographed auras. And they did photograph, they did, you know, 21 grams is supposed to be the rate of the weight of the soul and they they photographed a guy dying and they claim to have photographed his aura leaving his body yeah yeah all these claims is there a photograph of this photograph of her i don't know of atomic weight of the soul 21 grams and of kirlian photo of dying man i don't know but there you saw the auras the photographs there um why would this all have weight if it doesn't have a physical embodiment well energy energy mass energy

electricity doesn't have any weight does it what's going um well i don't know if it did it acts as a certain force there's there's certainly a force there's got that's that's an interesting question but mass is what right what reacts to scales gravity yeah right i mean well electrons you know there's a mass there there's an atomic mass atomic weight 21 grams seems like a lot it does it does seem like a lot yeah fat ass soul but uh but the killians were yeah they were they were that that would be a fat soul yeah Yeah, I remember they made a movie about it. You're into everything, man. You're into ghosts. You're into Bigfoot.

You're into aliens, UFO abductions, everything. Well, it's entertaining. I'm an entertainer. Yes, it is entertaining. And I feel like an alien. You're remarkably sane for somebody who holds all of these different things inside their head. I don't know. My family would maybe say not.

Do you smoke pot? You know, I am allergic to terpenes i i love the cannabis story i i terpenes are an oil that uh that's you know it's in everything you know it's like lemony pot terpenes yeah we what you what if you have good pot and you're smoking good but what you're smoking in the terpene that's what makes it that's what gives it its power terpenes give pot its power well it's part of the element that i thought it's thc well uh it's an oil terpenes is the is the is an oil that's that that's in there in all in in all uh marijuana yeah so you're allergic to marijuana i'm allergic to the terpenes the cannabinoid i uh my dad is on the cannabis oil right now to go to sleep. He's 97 years old.

Shout out to your dad. Yeah, everybody has cannabinoid receptors in them. It is a tremendously healing thing. There's the terpene. There's a chart. Yeah. A cool chart. Yeah.

Terpene benefits, marijuana terpenes. Yeah. So somehow. Look at all that stuff. Yeah, look at them now, you know, and different breeders will put something. My partner and friend, Jimmy Belushi, has a farm in Oregon. He grows it, and he's researching it. Oh, he's a dirty drug addict. He's up there selling drugs to people.

Jim Belushi, pushing drugs. Well, it's legal now in Oregon. Brother of John, selling drugs. Well, the point is that if John had been a pothead, he'd be alive today. Sure. Because he died of a cocaine and heroin speedball injection. Yeah. If I had had him smoking potbearer there in the vineyard back then, he would be alive today.

My generation of comedians are potheads. Well, you know what? I hear Seth Rogen's office at Columbia Pictures had to be defumed and defogged when he left. I gave him Stoner of the Year award one day. Yeah. At one of the High Times Awards. Yeah.

I presented him. Well, cannabis is tremendously valuable. We're finding if you take the THC out and put the CBD in there, that's great for arthritis and that. I like the smell of weed. You just can't smell it because you're allergic to it? It just bothers me a certain way.

You should go to an allergist to get that cured. Well, sure, sure. So I rely on the beverage and alcohol. What about psychedelics? Have you ever had psychedelic experiences? Oh, yes. I've taken acid and psilocybin and mescaline. Have you ever had any, some sort of encounters while on psilocybin?

One of the things that makes me more open to the idea of extraterrestrials is some of the experiences that I've had on tryptamines. You know, particularly dimethyltryptamine, but also psilocybin is. That's way, DMT goes way back for me. That goes back to high school. How long back is that? What do you mean? The DMT, yeah, I mean... Last time it was a year and a half ago?

In a controlled situation? Yeah. Tell me about your experience. Pretty controlled. I'd be interested to know. It's kind of a little speedy. This is a... That's a DMT tattoo.

That's a DMT molecule. Oh, okay, yeah. I've had a bunch of them. It's a DMT molecule. Oh, okay, yeah. I've had a bunch of them. It's healing for mental health. They're finding that it has a great effect as a palliative. Profound alleviation of anxiety. There you go. Because it transforms your perception of where you stand in the world, and it's an absolute

ego dissolver. You are confronted with uh experiences that defy logic and one of the things that this is interesting one of the things that shied me away from ufos was dmt because because it was so profound it was so crazy that if a ufo landed right in front of my house i'd be like yeah, yeah, it's not DMT, though. Because DMT was a completely different dimension. And there were things there. Then one of the things that's- You were in a controlled environment.

You were with friends. You were- Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But one of the things about- Were you seated? Were you in nature?

Were you- Seated in the house. Okay. In my house. Yeah. And you took how much? Well, you take three giant hits. Who makes that stuff?

I can't tell you all That's not something you can buy They shut down your sci-fi show for talking about aliens No, no, that's right DMT has some There's some prejudice against it And you can't get that at the drugstore It's in thousands of plants

It's literally in almost every plant in nature In fact, one of the universities in Israel Believes that it was responsible for the burning bush that Moses got the Ten Commandments from. They think that burning bush was actually the acacia tree. And the acacia tree is rich in DMT. And it burst into flame and he inhaled the vapor. Exactly. And saw God.

Well, they think that this is just a problem with translation. Is that this idea of the burning bush. Like, oh, there was a burning bush. Well, maybe, or maybe they figured out a way to extract the dimethyltryptamine from the acacia tree or this bush, acacia bush as well, and that they took this small amount of dimethyltryptamine from this fire and inhaled it and had this profound religious experience, like I've experienced, like many people people who experience that have taken it and i think that one thing that happens when you do this is you're confronted with entities now i don't know what these things are but they seem to be communicating

with you and they seem to be talking to you and they seem to know everything about you so the question is like is that really your subconscious is this is is this you know what you know about yourself stripped down to some very bare raw form and then confronted with the psychedelics that perturb your your visual cortex so they provide you with all these intense visualizations or is it a chemical portal to another dimension there's were they effulgent beings light beings the way i describe them is they're complex geometric patterns made out of love and understanding and that they're communicating with you sounds like you know hp lovecraft was a wonderful writer

and uh and he describes in time machine uh no that was hd wells but hp lovecraft he wrote the cthulhu uh the uh the dunwich horror and the books about and he he kind of you know walked out of his life and disappeared from his family and all that but he uh well he kind of went out for cigarettes and kind of never came back but no one ever found him well no i think they found him but he had vanished for a while hb lovecraft maybe look up uh grave or demise but but you know he he wrote about geometric shapes. He wrote about interdimensional geometric shapes and getting to a space where you saw the universe

in terms of geometry and diamond-shaped things and multi-patterns and colors. Do you know the artist Alex Gray? Do you know who he is? Alex Gray is a beautiful artist i mean amazing amazing guy and he uh all of his stuff is tryptamine based artwork pull up some alex gray stuff so you can see it it literally when you see it you go oh that i recognize that i recognize the how long was your voyage all of them are about 15 minutes to 20 minutes long Depending upon

This is all Alex Gray stuff Beautiful Look at that Pull up the one with That one down on the very bottom in the middle There's a couple of skulls Yeah, look at that That's very similar to what it feels like

When you do dimethyltryptamine And Alex has had Wow Uncountable number of experiences If I dropped a little purple barrel right now And just looked at that I'd have a nice afternoon. Exactly. Yeah, nice.

Well, a lot of the most profound psychedelic experiences are the compounds. They mimic normal human neurochemistry. Like dimethyltryptamine, it's a natural occurring compound in the human brain. It's produced by your liver, your lungs, and there's a lot of evidence, at least in mammals, it's produced by your pineal gland, which is literally your third eye. That is.

That's right. I did DMT way back. I think I was in high school or something. Whoa. You know, something. And I think I had a motorcycle ice race or something while doing it. A motorcycle ice race in DMT? Yeah.

You were living on the edge in high school, man. This goddamn Canadian. Well, that's what the motorcycle ice racing, you get a small bike like a Jawa CZ, and you put the metal rims with the studs, and then you race around the ice. I never did it, but I saw it, and I think that's why I went to it. My friend said, take one of these these and we'll have a better time. So I didn't see any beings, but the race was fun. Take one how?

Orally? How did you take it? He said it was a pill. It was a cap. Oh, that doesn't work. No. You have to inject it? Yeah.

Well, no, you need to freebase it. See, DMT is- Oh, right. Your body produces- He said it was a cap. He gave it to me in like the size of a horse cap. Right. Maybe it was horse drank and I never know. He said it was a cap he gave it to me in a like the size of a horse cap right maybe it was horse drank and i never know he said it was dmt it's not well if it was it doesn't work because your body produces monoamine oxidase and the the only way that dmt works orally

is if you take an mao inhibitor this is what ayahuasca is i didn't have that yeah see ayahuasca is what the the indigenous people the amazon have figured out is how to take dmt with harming from the plants right and harming is a naturally occurring mao inhibitor so that's how you could take it orally it's also why the experience is not as intense but it's longer and many people find it more spiritual because you can relax jimmy's done to the experience jimmy's done the ayahuasca but it's not in a capsule form you were he get he dosed you up with something else well yeah i don't know yeah no i guess i was something yeah who knows could have been psilocybin well psilocybin um converts in the body to something very similar to dmt the dmt is the chemical compound is n-Dimethyltryptamine, but something happens

in the body's production of DMT or the body's breaking down of DMT where it produces something called 4-Foraloxy-N-M-Dimethyltryptamine. This is out of psilocybin. So maybe he gave you psilocybin pills, which is real common. That's real common. Yeah, could be. But usually if I were to take psilocybin, I'd just eat the mushroom. Yes. A lot of people take them in capsule form, though, so they can get exact dosages. I remember sprinkling it on my cereal once. What?

Yeah. And then going to deliver the mail. Yeah. My friend took him in peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. I ate a bowl of psilocybin, and then I went and picked up my mail truck. I was a royal mail courier. That was an interesting morning. Did you get everybody's mail to the right place?

Oh, yeah, I'd be fast. But that's one of the things that made me more open to the idea of extraterrestrials but more closed off to the ideas of these stories that people tell. Because I felt like these stories that people tell because i felt like these stories that people tell were so crude it was almost like they were trying to facsimilate this real experience they were trying to recreate it in their mind and the other thing about these abduction experiences is that almost all of them happen at night and a lot of them happen while people are asleep and during sleep is when they believe your body's generating dimethyltryptamine they believe that dmt is also

responsible for dreams but you know the linda cartia case pretty compelling she comes out of the apartment she's grabbed by an orange orb and then which one was this this was in the evening early evening that's the thing the night but there were two witnesses from the brook four witnesses from the bro Bridge, two United Nations security officers and a judge, a New York State judge that saw the whole thing.

They saw her being abducted? They saw her being slipped, sucked through her window into the orb and plunged into each river. Yes. Independently, they told the same story?

No, they were together in the car and they saw it. And then a judge, a New York State judge, saw it. He's independent? He's independent. So he came forward as well once it and they saw it. And then a judge, a New York State judge saw it. He's independent? He's independent. So he came forward as well once it started to come out.

And these two guys went to the apartment where Linda lived. That wasn't her real name. And, of course, she was freaked out that someone would come in and talk to her. It was a while before they were able to get her to talk about it. It is possible. The thing about it is that if these were unique occurrences that only happen once every 10 years or something like that very rarely and it did happen and you were left with this memory and this this thing go try telling it to people that haven't experienced it good luck good luck getting them to believe you you need people just like you experienced trauma a car accident you

need people around you who love you to listen to you and say i believe you and i want to help you right and ruffle is a lady who helps with abductees and there's a you know there's there's some psychiatrists who deal with it you know yeah yeah well it's it's a that's the john mack thing right john mack who was a uh he was a psychiatrist and he was a very pragmatic reasonable person and started these he was dealing with these people that were having these traumatic experiences and he was trying to break them down i believe it was hypnotic regression that was the initial tool right and through that he sort of sort of started piecing together these people independently had remarkably similar stories right was it hypnagogic sleep was it hypnagogic there's 320 million people in this

country alone if 100 people have these experiences good luck getting those other 320 million people to listen to you they're not going to listen to you this is why i'm i've tried to be open-minded. I think if you went out to the local mall and said, do you know what a UFO is? Yes. Have you ever seen one? No.

Do you know anybody who's ever seen one? Yes. I think if you went out to the outer perimeters there. It's perhaps. Yeah. It's perhaps. No, and that's, look, that's the importance of skeptics. It is.

But, you know, these guys who come on, like Michael Shermer and other people and Philip Glass, they come on and they try to debunk these UFO stories, but they don't have their facts straight. They don't, they don't have them done the research. They haven't studied these cases. They come and they just blanket say it's not real. Michael has never met a conspiracy that he doesn't want to debunk. Right. The only thing that recently he came out with was that he thinks that Jeffrey Epstein might have been murdered.

I was like, whoa. Yeah, yeah. It might be conspiracy. Is that so far out of our range of belief? No, but it has to go that far. It has to go that far where a guy is on suicide watch and they go, ah, don't try to kill yourself again. And they leave him in the jail cell with a former cop who's a giant gorilla. They kind of let him do what he wanted to do.

I think they killed that guy. I think they let him. I think they let him kill himself. I think they let him. They let him. Or they might have killed him. He had a broken neck. That's true.

It's hard to break a neck, man. It's true. That's right. Justice as's true that's yeah it's true that's right when you just asphyxiation that's right that's right yeah yeah well if anyone deserved to die that mofu did yes yeah if everyone's telling the truth i believe you're right yeah it's the whole story of ufos is so interesting it's so interesting because of the Fermi Paradox, because this concept that if there are these species that exist in these infinite number of stars, perhaps even infinite number of universes, we really don't know. Our limited perception of what the actual universe itself is.

Multiverse, people, physicists refer to all the time. Neil Tyson will refer to the multiverse. Sure. Happily and comfortably. Well, he also will refer to the multiverse happily and comfortably well he also will refer to the concept that not only is the universe infinite but what infinity truly means is the real version of infinite is not just it's really big but it's that it's so big that there are an infinite numbers of dan akroids joe ro Joe Rogan's, and Jamie Vernon's in a room.

And there's an infinite number of versions of this conversation that we're having. That's right. There was a philosophy. He died of a philosopher a few years ago. He believed that everything that you think, like if I think, okay, I want to go steal a Cadillac. Well, in another dimension, I've stolen that Cadillac and I've done that. You know, and he believed that everything we think can become reality in another dimension and does become reality in another dimension there's so many different possibilities it's it's impossible for our puny little brains to wrap our heads

around i had nick bostrom on who's a philosopher who was famous for his work on simulation theory and uh the concept of artificial intelligence and sentient artificial intelligence. And he was freaking me out yesterday where he was talking about essentially it's more probable that you are in a simulation than you're not a simulation. And it was so hard for me. Looking around your studio here on this play, this is a simulation. I mean, I will not divulge what I saw in this incredible warehouse here,

but the greatest gym I've ever seen, the greatest workout space. Well, I feel like my whole life doesn't make any sense. So if anybody should believe in a simulation, it should be me. Yeah, no, I'm in a wonderful simulation here today. This is just great. Look, human experience, it's just wonderful. How we wake up in the morning, human identity. Yeah.

You know, the electrochemical. How about love? Love, yeah. Just our ability to see friends and the beautiful feeling it gets when you hug a friend. Is it just pheromones? Is it just electrochemical? Is it something more? Yeah, that's right.

And love was what should drive us we are here to give and receive love and once we we figure that out you know the world's going to be a lot better we have to if you don't have that everything else is horseshit you can have a hundred million dollar house and a private jet and if you don't have love you don't have anything you're missing the the key ingredient that's right you know it's like having cement but not having water that's right right. That's right. You have the mix, but you don't have the water. Yeah.

You have nothing. You ain't building any house, motherfucker. Yeah, no. And, you know, unfortunately, there's so much lack of love in the world for other people. And there's so many people that want to, instead of propagate love, they want to propagate anger. And they want to propagate hate. And it's so easy to do. And so many people are dissatisfied by their own existence that they want to propagate anger. And they want to propagate hate. And it's so easy to do. And so many people are dissatisfied by their own existence that they want to do that.

But they don't understand that by doing that, you are perpetuating this whole terrible cycle that you've been caught up in yourself. If you go out there hating on everybody and being shitty to everybody and throwing all this anger out there in the world that you are literally poisoning yourself there's a there's a wonderful quote about jealousy that i think also applies to hate is that it's one of the the rare things that is ineffective on the person who's your target but works on you instead like if you're jealous if you're if there's a person out there like oh i i wish i was living her life and you're angry at her like you it's not hurting her it doesn't even affect no that's like pissing in the wind you feel the poison you piss you piss in the wind that that piss is going to come right

back on you yeah it's just hard for people to understand that there's techniques and there's strategies and there's philosophies that can help you steer through this world with a happier life and that that that is a big part of it a big part of is embracing love and friendship and camaraderie and being nice to people and i think it's much easier to be nice than to be mean yeah it's hard for some people because they're not even nice to themselves well self-love is where it all starts yeah you you don't like yourself, you ain't going to do too well with anybody else. And, you know, sometimes I wake up in the morning, I don't really like myself or what I've done the day before or in the past,

but, you know, in the end, I've got to love myself enough to get up and get going and keep going. Yeah, just don't get too much of this wild crystal vodka. No, no, everything in moderation. Hey, can you fall in love with a vehicle? Yes, what do you got, man? I brought you Hem's made her motor news you know this book i can't read that thing i'll go crazy and start buying no no that's like me too but what's your dream car like i know you've got that beautiful land rover up there land cruiser i have a lot of cars what like

if you what what yeah what yeah what what kind of cars do you like i mean well i love american muscle cars those are my favorite from the 1960s. Those are my favorite. Like Dodges and... I have a 65 Corvette that I love to death. I have a 69 Nova that's being built right now. Oh, yeah. My friend had a Nova.

My friend had a 490 Ford Fairlane GT Speed Equip. Oh, those are great. That was great. He had a Camaro, a 454 Camaro. Nice. Yeah, that was fun, man. I. He had a Camaro, 454 Camaro. Nice. Yeah, that was fun, man. I just think there's something that happened during the 1960s. Yeah.

There was like this incredibly potent moment in the universe where this part of the world. Lee Iacocca. Well, not just Lee Iacocca, because that was Chrysler. It was also Ford, and it was Chevy. But the Mustang was Lee's, yeah. Yeah. Wasn't he Chrysler it was also a ford and it was it was chevy there was but the mustang was yeah yeah yeah but wasn't he chrysler no he started with the mustang but he went to chrysler no the muscle cars of that mustang was leo cocos right the super b and shelby yeah shelby this carol shelby the super b that was so much there was so much fun those barracudas those barracudas there was

amazing but this what the the point to me is that there was something that happened during that time with American automobile manufacturers. They had come up with designs and they were influenced in a way that they created these iconic images that if you looked at a 1960s car, those 1960s cars are so incredibly valuable and cherished. Whereas late 1970s, you get a 1979 car, nobody gives a fuck about that car. In 10 years, the cars went from being amazing to dog shit. The 70s were pretty bad for automobiles. 80s too. They hit a blip. They had this, especially American muscle cars, they hit this blip.

blip they had this especially american muscle cars they hit this blip and then during this blip they created camaros and dodge chargers and shelby gt500s they just had this the young people bought into and loved and now today you can't get a young person to even go to in a showroom the people who are listening to your your your and I would say 80% of them, they're in taxis or Uber or buses. They don't care about cars. Yeah, the Uber thing is interesting, right? It's like people who live in New York City. I have friends who live in Manhattan.

They're born and raised. They don't even know how to drive a car. All my kids didn't get their licenses until they were in their 20s. Here's a 1969 Dodge Dart GTS. They want 77 grand for it. They're very valuable. I know. They're really, really valuable. They're very valuable. I know.

They're really, really valuable. What are you doing with that magazine? Why'd you bring that? Because I know you love cars. I wanted to give it to you. Do you have any cars? Oh, sir. Sir.

Tell me what you got. My father got me into this. So I think my favorite car that I have is a 1932 Pierce Arrow 1604 limousine. This is the car that, and it's been untouched. I basically found it in a barn and I've never touched it. The Pierce Arrows were built between 1908 and 19- I'm not familiar with that. The Pierce Arrow Museum, Buffalo, New York.

P-I-E-R-C-E. You said a 69 Pierce Arrow? No, 32. 32. Oh, jeez. Okay. I-E-R-C-E. You said a 69 Pierce Arrow? No, a 32.

32. Oh, jeez. Okay, so Pierce Arrow made cars between 1908 and trucks and bicycles. Between 1908 and 1938. In 1938, they got bought by Studebaker. What happened in the 30s, they began to build these big luxury coaches in the 30s, in the Depression, to compete with Packard and Rolls-Royce and Graham Page and all the other big companies that were out there. The White House always had Pierce Arrows.

White House Motor Fleet will show the Pierce Arrows. And the Pierce Arrow is beautiful because it had, you know, the bullet headlights that are on most old cars from the 30s. The Pierce Arrow has the headlights fused into the fender like sculpture. You see? There they are. You see how the fender is fused in? It's like part of the car. And so I have a 32-160-04.

J. Edgar Hoover had those. That's like a Bonnie and Clyde type car. Look at that. Oh, yeah. No, I need the Thompson Auto 100-round drum. Does anybody take one of those and put a modern suspension in it? Many times. But I've kept mine original.

It's never been touched. You see the way the headlights are fused right into the... So I have a 32. It kind of looks like that. It's never been touched. You see the way the headlights are fused right into the, yeah. So I have a 32. It kind of looks like that. It's green and all beaten up. And yeah, they're pretty cars. So that's my kind of.

Those are pretty, but they don't resonate with me. Well, I like it. It's a V12. It's an Allison V12, the same engine that they had in the P51 Mustang. It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate it. It's like I don't have any, I don't lust for them. No, I like the old one. If I see a 1971 Barracuda, I lust for it.

Yeah, that's in there, yeah. I get excited. So I like that car. I have a little Bentley, a little 48 Mark VI Bentley. It's got an overheld valve, six in it. It was built at the end of the war, you know, to kind of get England back into production. I like that car. But my regular everyday driver, and this will be completely boring to most people on the planet.

I have a 2011 ultimate edition Mercury Grand Marquis luxury sport four-door sedan. Okay. That's like, what's that? The New York Times said when, when the production of the, of the big Fords were discontinued, the big Grand Marquis, when they were discontinued in 2011, they went out of the business, they stopped making them, the New York Times said, you've always liked one, but you never really wanted one. Well, I found two of them in upstate New York.

And they used to be, and I found them, and I looked, I was driving in Auburn, New York, and I saw, I was whipping by in this town on my way down, and I saw these two cars sitting there with snow, and I looked. I liked that Grand Marquis, so I found out about them, bought them, found out they were both equipped by the U.S. State Department motor pool for a diplomatic career. They had lights and sirens in them, and they had work done on the motors. I'm on the 401 in Toronto.

A Mercedes 300C will pull up behind me and want me to move over and say, okay, geriatric driver in the old marquee, move over. And I just go, and I'm gone with this thing, man. Big V8, no chip in it. There it is. That's it. That's my car.

Yeah, that looks like a government car. If that was probably over, I'd check my paperwork. Yeah, no. And it's got the beautiful, minor black, and it's got the beautiful V8, and it's got the engine work. So that's my regular driver. It's kind of funny. That's hilarious that you drive one of those around.

Oh, yeah. And it's a total sleeper. Total sleeper. Oh, yeah. I pull up the lights, the Corvettes, to look at them, and I take them. I take them. No problem. And that thing. That's hilarious. Isn take them. No problem. And that thing.

That's hilarious. Isn't that funny? Yeah. That is funny. So I love the old Packards and that. So you like the muscle cars. Yeah. I like Tesla.

I'm wearing a Tesla t-shirt. Have you ever driven a Tesla? Yeah. I got one out there. Oh, they're beautiful. Oh, my God. I love that guy. What a visionary.

What a man, man. I mean, come on. He went to Queen's University in my hometown. Did he? Yeah, in Kingston, Ontario, canada penitentiary capital of the country uh he went to queen's university which is like your harvard or reed or or um yale and he went there for two years so whenever i i've never met elon but i'm going to sit down and talk to him about those kingston winters he's a great guy yeah his car is the most preposterously fast car I've ever driven in my life. What's he got?

What's he driving? It makes other cars feel stupid. Well, the thing that I have out there, I have a Model S. Oh, I'll look at it. A P100D. Oh, yeah. It is the most ridiculous car I've ever driven. It makes other cars feel dumb.

I have other cars that I enjoy because I love engineering. I love cars. I just love them. I've always loved them since I was a kid. But that Tesla makes them all look stupid they're all dumb that car goes zero to sixty in 2.4 seconds and makes no sound it transcends it just moves through space and time in a different way it punches a hole through through the life itself just now brilliant it's's there. Have you ever driven one?

I had a friend who had one in Toronto. That's a no. You need to drive one, Dan Aykroyd. He took me out for it. I wish we weren't licking up. I'd give you the keys to mine. They're zapped. Yeah, no, we don't drive.

We have drivers today. No, they zap through that, yeah. You need to drive one. You need to drive mine. You know, my wife would love one because she loves, you know, she's an environmental activist and that. She needs to drive one. You need to drive mine. You know, my wife would love one because she loves, you know, she's an environmental activist and that. She needs to get one.

The problem is that she loves her laptop so much that if that big screen in the Tesla, that big screen, I think she'd be on that more than driving. Nah, she wouldn't. But I have a friend. It's a big map. It's just a big, beautiful map. Well, I know there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of other stuff there, too. You could cook breakfast on that thing remotely. It has games you can play on it when you park. I know, beautiful map. Well, I know there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of other stuff there, too. You can cook breakfast on that thing remotely.

It has games you can play on it when you park. I know, when you're driving, too. No, you've got to park. It won't let you do what you're driving. But the guy, my friend, he has a Tesla there in Toronto. And he said he programmed it in downtown Toronto, and it drove him to Kingston City Hall and parked in front of the City Hall. He didn't even have to look at it. He was working on his laptop.

Well, that guy's an asshole. You need to look. Kids jump in front of your city hall he didn't even have to look at look at he was working on his laptop well that guy's an asshole you need to look kids jump in front of your car you need to be well yeah yeah i guess that's where too much reliance on that you need you definitely i mean that's what other vehicles do you have uh i have a 69 camaro oh yeah i have uh 2007 porsche 911 you're like you're like a high-performance car. That's what I got with that Ford that I'm driving. It's just beautiful. I just love cars. I've always loved them.

They're one of my favorite things in life. I like looking at them. I watch videos on cars even if I'm not even interested in buying them. I just love them. No, no, it's true. Wonderful. I love the Duesenbergs man there's two great museums there's the auburn core dusenberg museum in in auburn indiana have you

been to jay's garage yeah yeah my one of my cars was on jay's garage okay yeah 65 corvette was on how great a guy is he he's great he's one of the best but one thing i told him i was like you are so much happier and more more more interesting when you're talking about cars than you ever were when you were hosting the Tonight Show. He's a great host of the Tonight Show, but the Tonight Show is basically, you are running a commercial for other people's records. Plug fest. Yeah, for their movies, their television shows that they have coming out,

and you're there to sort of be the entertaining guy, and he wonderful at it how about he's way better i love the military the old power wagons the old dodge power wagons what kind of truck you have i live on a farm so i have a different truck so i have that 95 toyota land oh yeah it's out there and i also have a 71 icon bronco oh yeah that's out there too you can whip through the desert on those yeah i think one of the greatest cars being made now is the lincoln navigator the new oh yeah it's amazing god i mean that's the new one's amazing i used to have the ford excursion that was the greatest car ever built by man they have the aviator now too which is a smaller version navigator sensational cars those lincoln navigators the new ones they put the escalade to shame they really do i don't slag other brands

but i find it to be amazing. They're going to come out with a new one. Escalades are amazing. But when you get in a Navigator, you're like, whoa, this is next level. It is next level. Speaking of cars, there was a great old Cadillac in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Did you see that movie? Oh, yeah.

We were talking about it the other day. I love that Cadillac. No, I haven't. I met him at the comedy store, though. This is one of the great filmmakers amazing guy this is going to win

Beck's picture I'm a member of the academy are you really yes of course yes is there anything you voted on

you regret no not really I support my people in the industry but I can tell you right now and I'm going to get in trouble for this

that's my vote for Beck's picture right now it's a great movie it's a lot of fun. What a superior picture. Yeah, there it is. Look at that beast. Yeah, that old Cadillac.

That's an amazing car, man. And how great are those performers? I can't wait for Brad Pitt's new movie, Ad Astra, to come out, the new space movie that he's doing. Yeah, it looks great. How great were those two guys in that film? Amazing. How great was that cast? Everything was amazing.

Just superb filmmaking. And if you know the Manson story, it's a lot more meaningful. Well's so well i don't want to give any spoiler where no let's not but it's it's one of those movies where you think something's going to happen and it's something entirely more magical happens yeah brad pitt is like just just supreme those two guys leonardo dicaprio oh i know always but this is this yeah these are masters yeah And I love to watch them work. I love, I'm not in the pictures so much anymore. We've got the Ghostbusters movie that we're working on now, and I will have to be performing in that. What is the deal with the new Ghostbusters movie? It's really good.

There was the one with all girls. Great film. Really good film. Those girls were superb. But I should have been sitting there as a producer watching Costs a little more. film those girls were superb but i should have been sitting there as a producer watching costs a little more i i we we you know paul feig and and i and ivan we had our little conflicts there were things that we thought that we didn't think would work why shoot it why spend the money but you know he's a director you gotta we have to have faith so there was a little conflict there

and i've spoken about it before but all that's in the past i think he made a great picture with the girls i i love it i think they're all great in it. Really, you know, he treated the movie with a tribute kind of legacy, respect, and there were some great new spirits in there, and the girls were great. Now Ivan Reitman's son, Jason, has written a new movie called, well, it's going to be Ghostbusters, the third movie. Who's in that now? Well, it'll be most of the original people and then um the original first movie uh yes some from the original bill murray's gonna be in it we're we're we're hoping come on bill yeah we're hoping come on bill yeah and um and then the new

the new cast and uh it's it's the new cast as well they're they're younger didn't they throw bill murray out a window in that? Yeah, yeah. He played a psychic. He played a skeptic psychic, and he played Michael Shermer. Or he played, yeah. He played Michael Shermer. They threw him out a window.

In that movie, yeah. They threw him out a window. Was that because you would want to throw Michael Shermer out? No, no, no. I don't want to throw him out a window. A fake window? No, no, no, no. I have other things I could do with him.

I'll put him in my old farmhouse for the night and see. What was that? What was that? Hey, no, no. I have other things I could do with him. I'll put him in my old farmhouse for the night and see. What was that? What was that? Well, buddy. So, yeah. So, it's going to be great. I'm so excited about it. And it's just wonderful to be able to go back and revisit that, all that.

But as I was saying, I love my colleagues. I don't do the pictures anymore much, and I'm in that one. You've been in some of the greatest movies of all time. Because I had great collaborators. The greatest't do the pictures anymore much. And I'm in that one, but I love my greatest movies of all time. The greatest comedy films. Yes, for sure. Great collaborators. And,

and you know, I, I love watching people work actors on Broadway and I love watching actors work in film and I enjoy going to movies. It's, it's just, I'm into other things as you, as you heard today, there was a bunch of comics of therov the other night talking about Ghostbusters

and talking about Blues Brothers. Blues Brothers still to this day is one of the all-time great comedy films. It really is. Yeah, thank you. It's a great movie.

It's just one of those movies where it gives you this feeling like you're just so appreciative that you can watch it. Like, wow. Wow. Music's the king of that. That's fucking great, man.

We had Ray Charles and Aretha and john lee hooker yes oh yeah no everything's great in that movie it's just great no no we we had good good times on that and it holds up and you know what here 40 some years after john and i first first performed on an snl jimmy and i are still doing it we have a concert in in Minnesota coming up. That's amazing. And we still do it. I figure while I can still move, I'll still dance and move. I'm not going to sing from a chair like Solomon Burke. Your real interests, though, they're spread apart. You have a lot of different things going on.

You seem to be a guy who's got freedom and independence which is a beautiful thing to see well i don't have a desk job which yeah which i'm happy of i never but you're pursuing your vodka company you're obviously i mean you're not profiting off of this ufo research but you're obviously balls deep in it it's it's just fun because it's entertaining and i think it's enlightening and if people want to come to me and get my view of it i'm happy to present my view you know and i'm happy to hear stories and i'm happy to hear skeptics come come forward and tell me why the thing i saw when i was on my motorcycle was not a ufo right why was it okay it was a hydro helicopter okay well okay if it was a hydro helicopter why am i not hearing rotor whop at 400 feet above me what do you what's your take on the the human

memory being very fallible there's like a lot of there's a lot of funky no question about it no question about it you can you know i remember i yeah i remember i wore a striped t-shirt on that sunday and then you look at a picture oh no it was solid black of course do you remember everything i'm about these i mean how much do. Do you remember everything? About these? I mean, how much do you think you remember about these experiences? I remember every detail of the sightings I've had vividly because they defy reality. But regular, everyday things that are not that profound, your memory goes in and out, right? No, no, I try, of course, because we'd go crazy if we had to remember everything.

The speck we picked off the ground three weeks ago if you had that experience. Or just today, right? Like what color shirt was I wearing when you met me? You were wearing kind of a whitish gray, kind of a corded T-shirt, and you had sweat on and sweat on. Yeah, okay. It's too close. Gray thermal. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Just checking. Here's some of the Cadillacs with the fin. See? Oh, yeah. That was, yeah, that designer, his name was Harley Earl. Oh, you know the guy who designed it?

Yeah, there were two great designers. One was Harley Earl. God, those are good. Yeah, and then Virgil Exner was the guy with Chrysler, and he brought in the fin as well. But when I chose the vehicle for Ghostbusters, I thought, what? I need the biggest station wagon made. And it's got to fit four people in the front, and it's got to have capacity for the... So I picked the 1959 Cadillac Miller Meteor Hearse, because it just had the capacity we needed.

And then the bonus was, it just looked so good. Ooh, look at that. Yeah. What's the golden year for Cadillac? I would say 59-60, when you had the full fin. That 59, 60 fin was just. The fin is ridiculous. Try parking that goddamn thing anywhere.

You know, why a fin? Because it was rocket time. Look at that. We all wanted to go to the moon. We all just wanted to go to the stars, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Pull up a 1959, an actual 1959 Cadillac jamie but that's like a not one that was

ever made i think that was a concept car yeah wasn't it concept car yeah no there they are god damn come on now you could put goodness you could put three bodies in that trunk. That's so beautiful. And that's a hardtop convertible there with the no-pillar post. That's beautiful. That is such a beautiful car. That was back when gas was 13 cents. Yeah, and the motors were beautiful in those cars. Yeah, they smelled like shit.

And if you kept the windows rolled down, you'd get brain damage. Look at that thing. Wow. Hey, kudos. Hey, to Detroit. To Detroit. To Detroit. You bet. Salute.

Yeah, and today, Detroit's like a booming town. There's all kinds of stuff going on. What do you think of that new Corvette, that mid-engine Corvette? That's pretty amazing. Have you seen that thing? I haven't. You know, for me, I mean, my right leg might fit in that. I don't think I'd get the rest of me in there.

No, they're big, man. They have plenty of room inside of them. They've designed them for taller folks. You know, if I could buy any car, if I could, I for taller folks. If I could buy any car, I would buy that. You can't buy any car. Stop pretending you're not rich. How dare you? Well, it's not that.

It's just like if I could drive the streets and actually be seen in a car that I felt comfortable in, it would be the Bentley. Yeah. Is that why you drive that crazy? The sleeper? Look at that. That's a new Corvette. Look at this thing. That's beautiful.

That's a 2019, Jamie. That's actually a front engine car. You want to go, Jamie. That's actually a front-engine car. You want to go with 2020? The 2020 is a mid-engine car. The 2020 is the very first. There it is. That's the very first. Go to that red one on the top four.

What's up with the Corvette? No, that's the old one. Oh, love it. Jamie doesn't know jack shit about cars. I like the Bentley Mulsanne, the big one, the big Bentley Mulsanne Cruiser. Love that car. That one right there, Jamie, that your cursor was just on. Yeah, that's the big Bentley Mulsanne Cruiser. Love that car. That one right there, Jamie, that your cursor was just on. Yeah, that's it.

I'm trying to find it. Click on that. But click on that. That's a mid-engine Corvette. It's a different car. See, what it is is the engine is behind the passengers, in between the passengers and the rear wheel, whereas the other ones, it's in the front trunk. You see the one in the back? That one's in the front trunk.

I don't think you're going to get the average software engineer at we work for instance wanting to buy that car why not because he's taking his the bus and he's on uber and he's in taxis tell him to stop being a pussy how are we gonna get how are we gonna get that yeah yeah gm's new corvette is so, it's warping the frame in tests. Woo! America. Yeah. They don't even have the ZR1 or the Z06 yet.

That's the regular Z51 model. Yeah, no, I love speed. You know that speed kills more men than anything? Amphetamines, you mean? No, no, no. Adderall? No. 70% of men between 35 and 65 die from mechanical speed. Jet skis.

Yep. Motorcycles. This is a statistic. 70%. 70% die from accidents. Holy shit. So this is a statistic I read. Whether that's true or not, we know that we like speed.

So watch your boats, watch your jet skis, watch your motorcycles, watch your cars. My dad, at my age, like I'm 67 now, my dad at 65 had two Buick Rivieras. Whoa. Two 1960s, 62, 63 Buick Rivieras. And he was down to like four points on his license by the time that they, you know. Yeah. And he loved cars, too. He got me into the cars. Buick is one of those cars that he got me into the cars you know he always is one of

those cars that there was a victim in the recession yeah buick pontiac plymouth gone yeah yeah well sure well there's all kinds of names we don't see anymore like especially from the 30s you know the packard the grand page the diana moon the uh the rio and like the gto you know pontiac gTO is gone. Plymouth is just gone. I mean, they still have Dodge. But people tried to revive it. The new Challenger looks pretty good.

It's very nice. It goes back to that. The Camaro, the new Camaro is a monster of a car. I've always been a fan of those rumbly engines. They're viscerally exciting yeah no no i love them absolutely yeah how about motorcycles i don't fuck with them i was about to get one i had a bunch of uh took a bunch of lessons and i was going for my license and then two friends wiped out ah well yeah and got pretty significant accidents and one guy that i know got hit by a car

by an old man who ran a red light and t-boned him and sent him flying through the air and snapped his femur. No, that would turn you off. I've been riding since I was 19. You ride in L.A.? I can ride anywhere, but I prefer to ride in the country up north in Canada, you know, where I'm living. Is that where you live these days? Half and half here, half there, half there. A little more in the States

because of the travel with the band and that. But I'm there with my dad in Canada a lot. And we have the old family farm with the haunted farmhouse. Is it haunted? Well, let me say that there's residual energy from the people who've lived there in the past. So you hear footsteps and voices and creaks

and doors closing and that. And many people have had experiences in it. There's a reason why people don't want to live in a house where people were murdered. No one was killed in that farmhouse, but many people passed there. But even that, that weirds people out. But absolutely, if you have a house where people were murdered, and this is why there's laws, you have to divulge. I did. I had to divulge did you uh it wasn't because of a murder but when i sold uh our house in los angeles uh

we lived in mama cass's old estate and woodrow wilson drive and we sold it to beverly d'angelo and she's been on the celebrity ghost show talking about the spirits that were in that house what happens uh you know jewelry will hop around the table. Shapes will be seen. You'll feel a touch in the shoulder. That kind of thing. The staff felt it. And I had an experience one night where something got into bed with me. I was alone.

I don't know what went on there, but I just figured out. Sexually? Well, in my little bit. You fucked a ghost? I think I was being come on to there. But anyway. This is a YouTube clip. Right now, Dan Aykroyd fucked a ghost.

Well, or it did try to come on to me and I didn't refuse its wanton. So you resisted? You know what? I just nuggled up next to it and went to sleep. You spooned with it. I did. I felt a shape. I looked and saw the depression.

I saw the depression in the mattress and I felt a shape, something next to me, like felt a form next to me, and I... Were you hammered? I nuggled. No. No, not that night. I was working on a picture and went to bed early. But I was alone in bed.

So you're laying alone in bed, and you're working on a film. What film was it? What film was it? It was something that I'd been working down at Universal. I don't know, maybe Dragnet or something like that. Okay. So you're working on Dragnet. you're lying in bed and then there's like a weight next to you i feel a weight next to me i turn and i look like a person is laying i

saw the depression there were two yes and i and i there were two spirits that might have been there maybe mama cast herself although she died in london and then there was another guy that apparently a rumor was he died of a drug overdose at a party and they buried him in the hillside and my daughter saw him walking with a little red-haired girl down the hall once and and uh and you know we think that that he might have been there but anyway when we sold the house to beverly uh there was a uh right in the california real estate uh document that we had to sign by law you have to divulge any unusual activity in the house so i had to sign a a clause in there that said yes at the beginning of our tenure in

the house we did have experience yeah so she bought the house anyway she's still there she's very happy so you had to sign papers that said you had unusual activity if you sell a house in california you will look in every real estate contract. There will be a clause that you must report. Unusual activity. Unusual activity. So that is a state recognized. What if you do acid in your house?

What's that? What if you do acid in the house? I'm going to tell you about some unusual activity. Well, that's unusual activity that you're doing. That's not external. But just that the state ofia requires that in their real estate documents it's it's pretty compelling evidence that there's something going on there or compelling evidence that people are paranoid they want people well i think we can protect them against

ghosts and spirits uh also have uh have reality i think you think so i believe so tell me about this thing you're laying down in bed so you're about to go to sleep i'm about to go to sleep and i feel everything's good and i and i feel this depression i feel this something and are you asleep yet not asleep no no i just turned out the light and i look and i see this depression and then i go well what am i going to do about this am i going to leap up screaming? No. I rolled over and I just kind of knuggled up against it and went to sleep. And I slept like a baby.

Slept like a baby. So there's a scene in the Ghostbusters movie where I'm in, I'm lying down in an old fort. And then this ghost hovers over me. And in the director's cut i think the belt comes off and the pants come down whoa so sex with ghosts you didn't get nervous you know i may have been so tired i may have been so resolved and resigned i thought you know what there's no point in panicking there it is yeah ghostbusters bedroom scene. There we go. Oh, yeah. Jeez.

Look at you, handsome devil. That's how you do it in your pants. Oh! Yeah. There you have it. So that's you. Do you just accept it? Yes. That's right.

I just accepted it. That's the way to go, man. I mean, why fight it? It's spiritual So that's you. Do you just accept it? Yes, that's right. I just accept it. That's the way to go, man. I mean, why fight it? It's spiritual. It's true. It's true. So did you smell it? No, no smell.

Just the sense of it. You just felt the weight? Felt the weight and saw the depression. And then when I- Did you feel anything on your body? I did. Did you feel presence? I felt a form.

Yes, I did. A form. I felt a form next to me when I nuggled up next to her. You didn't push away? I did not. Did you feel presence? I felt a form. Yes, I did. A form. I felt a form next to me when I nuggled up next to her. You didn't push away? I did not. Did you push against? I actually kind of wanted to see what it felt like if there was something there, and I did feel something there.

Did it feel feminine or masculine? It felt masculine. Hard. Oh, you were cuddling with a dude, like a dead biker maybe. I don't know. Maybe it was the guy who died in the hillside. I don't know. Could be.

I don't know. He just wanted friendship. You know, male or female. They say in the old days, men used to just sleep together. Just actually sleep-sleep. Well, you know, there's a, yes, there's a, Ed Davis and Abraham Lincoln were partners, and they were law partners, and they slept in the same bed many times when they were on the road, yeah.

Well, it was probably cold as fuck back then, and it was hard to keep the room heated. You bet. In that part of the world yeah yeah just have a couple blankets and you stay heated together yeah yeah so uh when you woke up in the morning did you feel refreshed or violated i had slept beautifully i woke up and maybe better than ever pretty good yeah i told some people about the experience and when there were people that worked in the house and that were there and then that you know they'll live in it and that that knew there was something going on but they knew nothing quite vivid you and a ghost had something happening after i told them yeah so

they knew something was going on well because they had been they'd hear the stair master going by itself the exercise the ghost exercise apparently yeah and uh and a hand on the shoulder then the sighting my daughter had then you know other little things like a hand on the shoulder. Then the sighting my daughter had. Then, you know, other little things like jewelry dancing on the table. We knew something was going on in that house, yeah. So you're 100% in on ghosts. I am. Now tell me about why you're 100% in on Sasquatch.

Because that one is a, that's more puzzling to me. Well, just that it's, again, Gabriel Reese's story was quite convincing. Jeff Meldrum's research was quite convincing. I wish I knew. I would have talked to her about it. Jeff Meldrum told me he cut his finger off.

He said, if you could find out if Sasquatch is real, he'd take a pinky off. I said, if you could cut your finger off to know that Sasquatch is real, would you do it?

He goes, which finger? I'm like, your pinky. Well, he's got casts. He's got hair. What did you point to, Jamie? He's Jeff Meldrum.

M-E-L-D-R-U-M. It used to be. It's in my room. He's a paleontological scientist at the University of South Dakota. But he can also be a silly man. Sometimes you study things, you memorize them, you pass a test, but you're still silly.

Well, but you talked to him. Did you pass a test but you're still silly well but uh but you talked to him did you think did you feel he was uh you know i ain't giving up my finger for nobody man i'm not giving up a finger to find out if sasquatch is real that's crazy no yeah he's pretty devoted to it but um it's been you know yeti the yak and yeti story you know the yeti story and just the around the world, just the sightings that people have had. Right, but people sleep there. Well, there was a book called Diary of an Alaska Housewife. It was about a woman.

She wrote it. She left in the 70s to move from Kansas to Alaska, and her husband worked in the pipeline. Kansas to Alaska and her husband worked on the pipeline. And she tells a story one afternoon when she was at her, you know, uh, her window in the kitchen and she went outside into the garden. So she felt, saw something went outside and she smelt this really strong, strong, musky, musky odor. And she saw this big, huge shape at the corner of her garden kind of disappear into the woods. And I don't know, bear, grizzly, who knows?

Sure. Could be. Yeah. How about, where are you on Chupacabra? Not at all. I think it's non-science. I think it's coyotes with mange. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I'm pretty convinced. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean, they've captured coyotes with mange. They look like demons. How about Mothman? That's a neat story.

Poor shit. Listen, let's go back to Bigfoot. Let's not get too crazy. You don't believe those kids, eh? No, I think they're full of shit. Let's go back to- The Mothman prophecies, the bridge collapsing. Save it.

Yeah, yeah. Save it. Kids are full of shit. I mean, I'm not going to sit here and argue on behalf of Mothman. But let's go to Bigfoot. It's an intriguing story because when you have multiple witnesses, like as far as the UFO, I will go back to Goodfoot, but the aerial encounter, the school children at the aerial school in Zimbabwe in the 90s.

Do you know this story? John Mack was working on it. Two beings landed in two different craft, and they encountered these school children all in elementary school. And now they've come back, and they're interviewing them now in their adult time. And it's amazing how their stories synchronize. Why would all of them conspire to make something up? Okay, we're dealing with two different things.

In the Mothman, there were four really credible kids there that said they saw it. The UFO thing is less preposterous than anything because we are currently sending spaceships into orbit. We are currently sending probes to mars we we're we're involved deeply involved in the exploration of our solar system at least with these robots and drones and things that we can control that that all that makes 100 sense to me bigfoot is interesting to me because there was a creature called Gigantopithecus. It was an enormous primate that was, without a doubt, lived.

It's a real thing. It was a bipedal hominid. They think it was between 8 and perhaps even 10 feet tall. It was a huge ape-like creature, and it went extinct. And the reason why they found it is because there was an apothecary shop, I believe it was in the 1920s, an anthropologist found a tooth in this apothecary shop in China. He talked to the people, where'd you find this? He recognized it as a primate tooth.

They brought him to the site where they found it, and then they started finding other pieces. They found bones that seemed to indicate that this thing was bipedal. And this is something that's accepted in the paleontological record. This is like when anthropologists look at the history of primates, when they look at the, they think this is a widely accepted real animal. So Bigfoot was real. why why wouldn't it was real why well so why did it why do you say that it couldn't have survived and uh and beyond extinction and and exist today in some form it could have but there's no there's no evidence that's compelling just like there's no evidence fake they think they

woolly mammoth pretty much the film yeah it's fake the patterson footage yeah they say it's fake here's the thing if it looks like a man in thing. If it looks like a man in a suit, no animal looks like a man in a suit. There's not a fucking single kangaroo out there that looks like a person in a kangaroo suit. I just think Gabrielle's story, Meldrum's research, the book that I read of the woman. What was Gabrielle Ariza's story? Well, she was in the camping up there in one of those northern states, Washington. And I believe she has video footage of the thing shaking the motorhome that they were in. Yeah?

Yeah. She was quite excited to tell me the story and quite vivid about it. She said that it was scary. It was scary. Look, if there was a small population, look, try finding a wolverine yeah try finding or a

or a super one of these super sloths in the South American jungle now these big sloths yeah they think they're real there's one there's one scientist

that has literally risked his reputation and he's his whole fucking credibility is in demise because he decided that he was going to spend his life

looking for the giant sloth. And these indigenous people have pointed him in the right direction, and they've recognized that there's dung that seems to be sloth dung that they've found, and they're trying to point him towards where these things are. And the giant sloth was a real creature. But there's no real evidence that the giant sloth is currently alive but the thing is the vast wilderness of the amazon rainforest is so impenetrable it would be like trying to walk across the earth and make a good audit of all the creatures that are on it

you're not going to run into them and you know we many species are dying on this planet right now for various reasons but there are many that are being discovered we never even knew about before. And, you know, the northwestern forests are pretty impenetrable, too. Yes. The Washington forests. That's what makes it interesting, is that the location of the area where if the thing crossed the Bering Land Bridge and it came into the United States, that's exactly where it would be. It would be in that Pacificific northwest because that's you know as you walk down from alaska we've heard the stories of loggers going in there and seeing them

or sensing them or you know because they're being driven out of their environment there's some hostile acts against logging companies that they think uh have been perpetrated by uh by you know those yeah by the the sasquatch yeah nobody wants to believe in bigfoot more than me i worked i worked up in uh Northwest Territories. I was a flex track assistant mechanic on tundra crawlers, and I was a road surveyor when I was a kid. I worked for the Department of Public Works, and we were up there along the Nahanni River,

the Headless River, where explorers would go, and they'd find their heads and they'd never come back. They'd find their heads? Yeah. They'd find Bigfoot heads? No, no, just the human heads. Oh, the human heads. The human heads. The Headless Valley, the Headless River,

Nahanni River, N-A-H-A-N-N-I. But when I went up there and was with the survey people, there'd been guys who'd been up there years before me, and they said that Sasquatch was a common thing that was spoken about among the natives and among the survey crews up there. Did you ever see the Bobcat Goldthwait movie, Willow Creek? No.

Outstanding movie. Bobcat Goldthwait movie, Willow Creek? No. Outstanding movie. Bobcat-Goldthwait made a horror movie about Bigfoot. Bobcat-Goldthwait, the comedian, made an excellent horror movie. I kind of catch that. It's really good. Oh, my God. It's like Fire in the Sky. I thought it was a good depiction.

You would love it. Oh, I will get it. You would love it. It's about a bunch of people that go up there to try to replicate the Patterson-Bigfoot film sort of as a lark. They go up there for fun, and they encounter a real Sasquatch. So Willow Creek it's about a bunch of people that go up there to try to replicate the patterson bigfoot film sort of as a lark oh they go up there for fun and they encounter a real sasquatch so willow creek it's called yes it's really good i love that i love that that's great is a 100 believer uh-huh he believes he and i've had some ridiculous conversations about it it'd be nice to go and and go into the intense woods up there and maybe camp for a week. Yeah. Look, man, to see something like that, a bipedal hominid that has avoided detection for hundreds, if not thousands of years, would be amazing.

Yeah. The thing about the Native Americans is Native Americans had more than 100 different names between all the various tribes. 100 different names for Sasquatch. Really? Yeah. Oma was one of them. You know, you saw that american werewolf in london thing that is uh the the guy who created that what pat uh rob baker no no that's rick

baker baker i'm sorry yeah pat mcgee who's the special effects guy created the one for me but rick baker designed it originally but he made a pat mcgee made a movie called omop what was it called omop primal scream see if you can but it's basically a horror movie about sasquatch and you know it's it's incredibly compelling to people you know this is enormous primate that's been avoiding detection living in the forest legends among the indigenous people say that they they sometimes grab children and take them i think that's because it used to be a real thing that's what i think i think that's because if if we all agree and scientists agree that this gigantopithecus was a real thing if that is the case then it's entirely possible that one point at one point in time human beings were in direct contact with them on the regular basis

and those stories been passed down through generation after generation. The real question is, are they still here? Because the people that are telling you these stories, like when we talk about people in North America, it's widely accepted that most Native Americans, they share a lot of genetics with people from Siberia, because Siberia is what's close to the Bering Land Bridge. They come down. These people eventually, many, many,ia is what's close to the Bering Land Bridge. They come down.

These people eventually, many, many, many, many, many thousands of years migrated into America. So those are people that would have been in contact 100,000 whatever years ago. They know that these teeth that they found from Gigantopithecus indicate that at the at least a hundred thousand years ago they were alive does that mean they were alive 50 000 years ago very possibly like a homo floriensis you know that the hobbit person that they found yeah this tiny little thing right right on the flores island that thing they didn't even know that was real until the 2000s, and that thing existed as recently as I think it was 13,000 or 14,000 years ago, which is incredibly recent. Yeah.

And this is a completely new discovery that people found, that there was a totally different species of human being that was very small with a chimp-sized brain, but it was human. It used tools, and it lived amongst humans yeah so this thing if they know it lived a hundred thousand years ago it could have easily lived 50 it might have lived 20 so it lived 20 000 years ago it was here with us today we just gotta go and find yeah but there's no evidence of mammoths either yeah right we know they were real but there's no like if someone said i saw a mammoth you'd be like where do you have a picture no no but i sensed it you're like get the fuck out of here with your sensing mammoths i think if you did if you put and mount mounted a horrible avatar style military uh uh let's say incursion into some of the deep woods of northwest america

you might you might get traces. But what a horrible thing that would be to do. Excellent thing. We get footage. I know, but then you're destroying the forest. There's Omaha. That's Pat McGee's version of... Oh, it's great.

Yeah. It looks like, kind of like Groot. Yeah. Wow, that's just a weird picture. No, that's beautiful. Wow. It's called Primal Rage. Neat, neat. Yeah that look at the um the

animatronics yeah you see the that face right there jim yeah look at that when's that coming out or is it it's been out it's been out for quite a while primal rage and and willow creek i'm get it willow creek is really interesting because willow creek is like blair witch style yeah it's all like found footage like the whole whole thing. Like, okay, here we are. We're in the woods. You know, like that kind of shit. Love that. You'd like it.

Bobcat's a genius. He did a great job with it. It's really good. It's like compelling. It's exciting. And even if I don't believe in Bigfoot or don't believe it's currently alive, just I know too many people

that are in the woods all the time. I know too many people that are hunters that are in the woods. That haven't seen. They spend people that are in the woods all the time i know too many people that are hunters that are in the woods that haven't they spend weeks and weeks in the woods and none of them have seen shit they see bears walking on two feet though that's really normal yeah yeah and when you're in thick dense forest bears walking on two feet you see them in the the dusk sure like oh my god i saw a bigfoot i'm convinced yeah and then you really are convinced so then you go back and tell everybody yeah i think you know, basically just each individual has to make their own minds up about all of this stuff.

And if you want to believe, it's just like your religion. You know, I believe in mediumship. I believe in the afterlife of our consciousness. And that's kind of my religion. And who's to say, why should I be disputed on that you know i'm glad you believe i'm glad as people i'm glad there's intelligent people that believe in silly shit well you know look uh you know many people believe in the virgin mary because kathleen and and that's quite a myth and and many believe in the angel moroni and the gold plates and the magic spectacles

and and many believe in zainu you know, the Scientologist belief. So I'm not going to go and say, hey, oh, I dispute your belief. There were no golden spectacles or there were no golden. No, there was no Zaynu. No, there was no Virgin Mary. No, I respect people's belief. And they realize that's what you believe and that's what helps you. Good for you. You know, and I would never dispute that.

And likewise, I want to be just respected for my belief in spiritualism and mediumship. I think there's a religion in skepticism as well. I think there's a tendency. And I respect that. Go for it. But you know what I'm saying? That there's a tendency to just try to dismiss everything as being, like, believe the official story of every single thing. You know why that's good? Because that empirical view will be able to sort out the fake stuff, the hoax stuff from the real stuff. If people of real scientific minds and real inquirists there go into it, that's what's going to sort out what's real and what isn't.

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