The Joe Rogan Experience - #1356 - Sturgill Simpson & His Band

Episode Date: September 30, 2019

Sturgill Simpson is a Grammy Award-winning country music and roots rock singer-songwriter. His new album "Sound & Fury" is available now on Spotify, and the anime visual album "Sturgill Simpson presents Sound & Fury" is now streaming on Netflix. He is joined by his band members Miles Miller, Chuck Bartels, Bobby Emmett and by Green Beret Medic Justin Laseck. http://www.sturgillsimpson.com/ https://www.specialforcesfoundation.org/

We willed it into existence. Do, do, do, Sturgill, motherfucking Simpson, and his band. Just let's introduce everybody. Okay. You want me to do that? Yeah, you can do it. All right. Next to you is my drummer, Miles.

We have Chuck. He plays the bass. Down on the end is Bob. He plays the keys. And this is our head of security. This is Justin. He's a, you know, we weren't sure about this place,. This is Justin. He's a you know

we weren't sure about this place so we brought It's a sketchy joint. You guys were fucking fantastic last night. We had a great time. Thanks man. The Troubadour is such a great place to see you too

because it's so intimate man. You know it's such a it's a really interesting place. It's so tight. You know. It's so old school and a fucking million shows have happened in that joint. Everybody. Everybody.

Yeah, it was interesting for us. We didn't feel like it was a good show. What? We kind of woke up about halfway through, but also the first time we've been this close to people in a while. It was a great show, man. I enjoyed the fuck out of it. And Suzanne from Honey Honey, Suzanne Santos, she came with me, too. She loved it. It was a great show man I enjoyed the fuck out of it And Suzanne from Honey Honey Suzanne Santos

She came with me too She loved it It was great man We had a good time Yeah yeah It wasn't a bad show either No Come on

It was amazing We had a great fucking time And it's just It's such a treat To see someone In such a small venue You know That venue is so

Like everybody was like Jammed up on top of everybody so when people went nuts for the songs you know like you felt it like you really realize when you're in a venue like that how much that contributes to the experience you know intimate intimate venues a venue can ruin a good show sure yeah than anything uh we don't i don't really like the the amphitheater like the outdoor amphitheater. Yes. The tin roof sheds. I feel the same.

There's no connection because everybody that is close to you is sitting down, and then there's this giant picnic going on behind them up on the grass. It's always just a weird separation. What happened, Jamie? What are we doing? I didn't switch. Sorry. Oh.

I thought you were trying something new out. yeah the amphitheaters are weird i mean uh they can be great oh there oh there's the picture from the troubadour last night that was fun man that place i mean how many people's that seat probably 400 i think 500 they're stuffed in there that is a fire hazard for sure someone someone bobby's organs a fire hazard it was a good time though it really was i saw everlast perform there recently he was there like uh just a few weeks ago i met that dude once he's awesome he is a chill guy man he really is the best we're at a it was at my this guy Don was like a skate, it's like a skate shop. My buddy Ian took me to this skate shop.

He had a bunch of sneakers there. I was looking for some sneakers. And it was just this little sleepy skate shop. And then he's like, yeah, let's go out back. And we walked out back and there's like 12 X Games champions back there just slaying this half pipe. I'd never really seen that shit up close like that. Just like, you know, thrashing. And it was intense.

Then we're sitting there hanging out, and then fucking Everlast shows up. I was just like, this dude from House of Pain is crazy. He was so cool. He's super cool, but I remember one of the first times I ever met him, it's one of those weird ones where you're like, am I really hanging out with this guy? Is this really Everlast from House of Pain? Jump Around was such a goddamn gigantic hit it was like one of the greatest hits of all time like one of the greatest i mean i guess you would call that a hip-hop song right but it was it was a giant hit

with like my generation so to be hanging out with him was super surreal i'm sure he's had a very interesting journey fuck yeah he has he was the first guy I ever smoked a joint with inside a casino, too. He just fired it up. I go, where do you want to smoke that? He goes, where? He just starts smoking it. I was like, all right. I guess we're going to do that.

That was a pretty, that album, I think I was in like seventh grade, sixth grade. It was very nefarious. I remember that. Yeah. Nefarious is a good word for it. You know, I rip shit, kill it, cut your gut and spill it, treat you like a gas tank, take that ass and fill it. Yes, that's nefarious. Go for a ride to where I reside, put your face on my pillow and have you weeping like a willow.

It's what it is, y'all. It's prolific. Yeah. It's prolific. Yeah. It's prolific. That's intimidating. Right? For sure. That doesn't freak you out a little?

Especially if someone says it with his voice. You know, all smooth and chill. In a Larry Bird jersey? You've tried a lot of different forms of music. Do you ever think you would ever do hip-hop? Oh, God, no. That would be a weird stretch. Well, there's just so many other people that should do it other than me.

You know? I would love to, but no. I would love to produce a hip-hop record with Bob. I think we could probably make some fat fucking tracks and just get some rappers to do the actual art. Yeah. You know. I think I know what you're saying. I know how you're feeling, but I think you could pull it off.

Like rapping? Yeah, I think you could. Sturge ill? Yes. You could. He kind of already does. All right. You going to give me up, man?

Yeah. I think I'm. I think I'm a little bit. No bullshit. I spit on the bus a little bit, truth be told. All right. Yeah. You'd have to give me up, man? Yeah. You kind of rapped a little bit. No bullshit. I spit on the bus a little bit, truth be told. All right. Yeah. You'd have to be lit.

But you could do it. You know who can fucking rap for a white guy? Shia LaBeouf, man. Kenny? Yeah. He did some radio show years back out here in LA. It was actually impressive. Wow.

Yeah. His freestyle was fire. For a dude it's a who's a white guy it's a risky choice right it's a risky choice brought it and you got to figure you got to decide whether or not you're going to go with i want to produce a shia labouf album rap album wow there you go open up the doors yeah manifest it make it happen yeah white guy rappers have to they have to be real careful with their accent like you got to figure out how you're gonna yeah that's always weird how you're gonna pull that off i went to high school with a lot of those white guys that like did that tried

to like talk like they were black i never could understand what was going on it's a weird one it's a weird one miles miles and i went to the same high school. He graduated like 15 years after me, so he knows about the Wofo. Woodford County. What I'm talking about. I'm sure it was still very much a thing. Oh, it still is. We were just talking about how few white guys become successful rappers. Of all the things that people attempt to do, that might be one of like, there's only like a few.

There's like, you know, Eric from Everlast from House of Pain. There's Eminem. There's Mac Miller. Mac Miller. Yeah, third base. Third base for sure. Those guys. Those guys were great.

Eminem, of course. Yeah, Eminem, of course. He might be number one. Yeah, he's number one, I think. He's just an all time great rapper period yeah white guy or not

but like white guys that want to rap boy the white guys that want to rap versus white guys who are successful rapping that fucking number

is stupendous those are not good odds that's intimidating right there's no denying that some white guys have pulled it off you remember Snow

yes yeah Informa like he had like a whole he did the patois thing yeah yeah yeah talking to Mike brother There's no denying that some white guys have pulled it off. You remember Snow? Yes. Yeah. Informa. Snow. He had like a whole. He did the patois thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talking to Mike, brother.

Sorry. I just said he did the patois thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He went Jamaican on us, right? Yeah. But it was really good. Which is even weirder. It was so weird.

What the fuck? Unless he's from Jamaica. Toronto. Oh, was he? Yeah. I mean, it's not better, but there's a lot of... That just keeps getting better. That's Canada.

That's Canada. They're nice as hell up there. How did he... Yeah, go to the mic. Snow is from Toronto. Yeah. I would have never guessed that. Yeah, let's look that up.

Good call. Good call. I love that one song, though. That Informer song was badass. That's insane if he's from Toronto. Would be. What's that? It doesn't say what what city but he's from

toronto oh yeah born in toronto yeah born in toronto 49 wow there you go yeah he went jamaican and no one else even ventured to step in his footsteps it was like a successful hit song but it didn't like open up a whole door of like jamaican it didn't even open up a door for him man that's the only fucking song anybody ever heard like how could it be that good that always freaks me out about your business is that there are a few cats that come up with one song that just fucking smashes well that happens because whoever is in charge of their career has one investor's interest which is pushing that single and then it does its thing and if they can't come up with the identical thing again they don't know what to do and then they just stick them on a shelf and you never hear from them again i know but it just it's so it's so final

like if you're a comic and you have a shitty special you can get your shit together and come up with a good next special there's nothing like a huge hit to destroy your music career how many i mean really really good songs if you stop and think about history we're from a band where you heard like maybe two of their songs ever i would say 90 of them so many so many pop in that in that world you know if you're like radio songs yeah and syndication yeah this is... How much is that changing for you guys because of the internet? I mean, when you first started your career, how much of an effect did the internet have on promoting things

or getting the word out on things versus now? Huge, because we're not on radio even now. When did you... We had AAA play play now things like that you're not gonna um i guess early on touring blogs and reviews uh press and things like that get circulated word of mouth from shows people come to shows they get their mind blown they talk about it on twitter you know and then it just it's this organic grassroots kind of thing and you sort of realize at a point you don't really need any of that other antiquated shit.

But to make it happen like we did, you have to go out and do the laps. You have to put the time in and earn your medals. You can't just sit on YouTube talking about yourself all the time. That's a big part, right? Your shows. How many live shows you guys are doing? Well, now it's already out there. So people just do it for you, really.

It spreads easier and faster now. But Miles has been with, we've been playing together since he was 19, man. In a van, four people sleeping on one floor. Wow. This was about two weeks ago. You drive seven hours and you hope 13 people show up to maybe buy a t-shirt and shit so you got gas to get to the next town there's a lot of life questioning nights out there in the early days you know do you know roy wood is roy wood jr really hilarious and a comedian he had a really

similar story when he was talking about his uh beginnings as a comedian that he would get these gigs and he wouldn't have enough money to get home. And then he would get gigs. And while he was there, he would take a job, like a day job, like a day labor. He would wear fucking hard hats and gloves and shit, work all day, and then do the stand-up at night. It's like those guys who go through that kind of stuff, there's no substitute for that. There's no other way. To really get that, there's something about the seasoning of the unsuccessful or barely successful early years. It seems for all my favorite artists. It's so critical.

They all have it. Whether they're comics or whether they're musicians, there's that fucking grind in the beginning where it could go left or right. Like you could make it or it could completely fall apart. You have to be almost delusional and a little crazy. Yes. I mean, I had a great job that I quit to go do this shit finally, like give it a go. I was probably 35 years old.

You know what I mean? There was a lot of nights where I was like, what in the fuck am I doing? You know what I mean? But it worked. Yeah. But that's why last night's so fun.

Because nobody else, well, I wrote a song about turtles and drugs one year, and nobody else did. So I just, I feel, you know. Yeah, whenever a country music song comes out with DMT in it, you got my attention. Psilocybin, LSD. That was a great song, though. It was a great song to introduce the world to a different idea.

It's just music man You know Like whether it's country Or psychedelic Or psychedelic country If it's great It's just great You know

And you switch shit up This new album Is so weird man It's great It's great But it's so interesting If you go back To like your first album

And then listen to this album You'd be like That's not the same fucking guy But it is I know It is the same guy It's just they're all Different uh expressions or interests but that's really exciting you know when when someone mixes their style up as much as you do and you guys put

together these albums you know each one of them is they're uniquely you but they're all different it's a it's a you've got a real weird thing going on man like if you went back and listened to your first album and then listened to the they're all awesome but they're awesome in like all these different ways man you know it's so cool to see all this experimentation like this anime thing you're doing with this and it's really bad that was really just sort of uh a lot of things lining up out of my control. That movie, we only started on that literally a little over a year ago. And just the way it all came together and how many people were working simultaneously

is the only reason it got finished as fast as it did. But it definitely delayed me releasing the record for at least a year. But it's such a great idea. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, if we're here... Well, the whole reason we went in the studio made this thing is because we reached a point of burnout i definitely did and then uh you also reach a point where now you realize the only way we're gonna survive and make money as musicians is touring so why wouldn't we make this as fun for ourselves as possible and you know you play these festivals and then you're rocking out three or four songs and then people are jumping them and i just kind of asked everybody

why why can't we just go do that for two hours and make music that people can dance and have a great time too and still you know miles has probably been listening to me talk about making uh you know dubstep rock and roll record for five years and we finally just did it yeah but it's

it's great that you take those steps you know these guys help a lot too the last we were touring in 2018 and the music was just

sort of going there anyway on stage how's it how's it going there anyway on stage like How's it going there anyway on stage? Like you guys. We were just stretching out more abandoning core fundamental structures of the songs. Like I don't want to be a karaoke machine anymore. I just got so bored and burnt out with standing up there and playing this shit the same way every night.

And you do isolate some fans, but at the same time, like if we're not inspired, how the fuck is anybody else going to be? So eventually you will find your audience that wants to go with you and music you know when these songs are turning into 10 and 15 minute just me being high and i was having a good time you know yeah that's what i caught that uh the brace for impact on colbert somebody shared it yeah you know i hadn't seen it basically since we did it in 2016. And it's almost a completely different song. Right.

Like, you could literally see the changes from 2016 to now. It's amazing. Yeah, so we made this record June of 2017 and had to sit on it, couldn't play any of it. You go out and you do the other thing. So now, almost two and a half years later from the time we recorded in the studio and i was writing those lyrics we were making this music in in the moment we'll go out we've been rehearsing for two weeks and it's already at a point like shit what i wish we could have recorded it now because you have all these

ideas that you just don't have in that moment and you get a year and a half later on a tour playing that material it's a whole other animal you know because you've you just found all these little idiosyncratic nuances and things that you can flourish that you just don't think about when you're in a control room for 18 hours a day is that a common tactic where you're always changing your your songs you're always fucking with them and continuing to? I hope so. Yeah. But is it common with other artists?

It should be. It should be? It should be if they're worth a shit. But is that a normal thing, like when you guys get together and talk about how you make songs? Like comedians talk about how they make jokes. We don't really talk about it.

You guys don't ever get together? I'll write lyrics and stuff or maybe have a rough idea idea structure and form but these guys are all like bonafide musical geniuses man they're all like their flavor that's why you know like on this record i've never done it before but um at a certain point anybody that's in the room is contributing whether they're writing the songs or not, just their presence, the energy they bring to that track. If you've got a guy that plays the perfect thing in the first take, what are you really producing?

You're hiring someone as a tool. And like Nashville, there's all these session players, so in a sense it's just this giant toolbox. And there might be ten guys you could call a day to do this thing but two of them might be way more perfect for this specific thing than those other eight they're all badasses but you know you know you can flavor man i just found the right the right flavors that i want to stand up there with because he's got i could make 10 records with these guys and they're all going to sound like 10 different bands now is, is this because you guys don't have...

I mean, how much of influence do record companies have on new bands? Like, when new bands are coming up, and they're trying to put together their music, how much influence do record companies have on the creative process? It just depends. Did they discover them, or are they jumping on board with something that's already working? Well, I mean, someone someone like as an artist like someone looking at you as an artist to go yeah you let him do whatever the fuck he wants you know like let him let him no that's a very rare thing it's rare you're dealing with record companies right yeah i had i got it contractually

written into my contract that nobody could tell me what to do so it's common that you get fucked with everybody's gonna have their two cents their input there's gonna here's what we really want you to want to do right because like probably i would think there would be executives to go stop stop fucking with it right there just leave it right there trust me put it out like that those would be like actual record men the guys that used to run the record business like they knew what the real shit was and you don't fuck with the real shit but there's very few of those people actually working in the record business anymore it's all like 25 30 year old bottom line quarterly report motherfuckers you know it's all about the money yeah but wouldn't

you think that excellence would bring money especially Especially today, in this day and age with the internet. They could sell excellence, but then they have to work and find it. As opposed to like formulating this tried and true Mrs. Butterworth recipe. Proven. You know, just give me 17 of those. I get it. It would suck to be in a business with art

you know or like thinking about it like a business but it's art it's a product but your music is art you get enough people involved

anything turns into a product right but it's just the business aspect of it like someone trying to think about what's the best way to sell it what's the best way to what's the best way to push it what if we change this and added that what if we put

some gospel singers in the background what if we did this what if we you know yeah but you've avoided it what if we get this person to like wrap a verse on it how'd you avoid it what did What did you do to avoid most of that bullshit? Still figuring it out. I don't know, man. Just didn't do it. I say no a lot. I think that's the thing to say. I'm lazy as shit, too.

I got to really want to do something. Yeah. Especially when you don't have to, right? Right. Man. What were you don't have to, right? Right. Man. What were you doing at 35 when you quit? You working in a railroad shop? I was an operations manager at a rail yard, an intermodal yard out in Utah. Wow.

Running a rail yard, just overseeing the switching crews that when the trains would pull in from the east and west side of the yard, crews that when the trains would pull in from the east and west side of the yard we would break those trains apart and like look at other manifests and drag cars off other rails and build them into those trains and then crew them again and get them on the line damn so i was working like 90 hour weeks mostly cleaning up train wrecks and derailments or like they blew a switch and put three cars on the ground we we were the central artery in the in the midwest the really that, that corridor is kind of the cross section of the entire country's shipping commerce.

So if we fucked up and tied up the main lines, then we kind of shut down the railroad. Do you know what's fucked up? You could never tell a kid, Hey, you want to, you want to make meaningful music. This is what you got to do.

You got to struggle in like difficult jobs till you're about 35 and you know barely get to where you want to be where you're really kind of freaking out about your future and then pour yourself your heart and soul and then find success after that that's a good move if you want to have impactful music but if you if you get into music like early on in your life and make a career early on in your life, you miss everything that you did. By being an older, you know, a 35-year-old man that makes a jump. Yeah. That's a bold move.

That makes sense. But there's been a lot of incredible artists that made some truly visionary shit at 20. For sure. But there's a life experience aspect to your music. Well, yeah. I wouldn't have any of this shit to write about if i'd done it at 20 yeah um i'll be right who god knows what i'd be writing about probably pussy yeah for sure for sure yeah and you're young well what are you thinking about you know if you're talking about stars and horoscopes and shit you're young What are you thinking about You know If you're talking about stars

And horoscopes and shit You're probably bullshitting people This podcast got weird real quick Huh He does that now Sturgill talks about stars And horoscopes now Right

What do you think about Horoscopes You think that shit's real Like astrology What do you think about horoscopes I'm actually interested In what he thinks about horoscopes Yeah what do you think about horoscopes i'm actually interested what he thinks about horoscopes yeah what do you think about it man i mean somebody's just making shit up for other people you can move that mic so you don't have to break your neck yeah yeah you're

just making stuff up if you're if you're reading a horoscope or someone's trying to plant like give you some sort of indication of what's going to happen serendipitously or by fate. Either way, it's just someone making the shit up. It's just horseshit. People looking for patterns, I think. I'd have to learn about the astrology aspect if they're trying to... If they're using that or something effectively.

Numerology is the only thing in that world that even remotely interests me. How's that interesting? It's based on mathematics and universal equations and shit. I don't know. Basically like don't – some people can get a little loopy with it and they won't fly on an airplane. They'll have their numerologist look at the flight numbers or the number on the plane and how these things all correlate, whether this is a wise decision or not. That to me is just like, what?

You know, Nancy Reagan was all deep into that. Really? She was deep into astrology, actually. And she had like some famous astrologer who would read, do the readings for them. And she would dictate whether or not Ronald Reagan should go and do shit. Based on numerology. Based on astrology. It's not the same, right? Numerology is just numbers. No, it Based on numerology. Based on astrology.

It's not the same, right? Numerology is just numbers. No, it's still a question. But astrology is... But didn't she? Is that the case? I'm pretty sure she was like balls deep into it. Like really into astrology.

After the assassination. Should we look that up? What's that? We should look that up. Yeah, we're looking that up. Jamie's always on it. You got it. You got it?

What do you got? Nice. Here it goes. Quigley was born in Kansas City, Missouri. She was called on by First Lady Nancy Reagan in 1981 after John Hinckley's attempted assassination of the president and stayed on as the White House astrologer in secret until being ousted in 1988 by ousted former Chief of Staff Donald Reagan. She said, I was responsible for timing all press conferences, most speeches, the State of the Union addresses,

the takeoffs, and the landings of Air Force One. What the fuck? That's what she claimed, though. She claimed a bigger role in her 1990 book. We'll see. What does Joan say? Well, yeah, interesting interesting that's crazy interesting yeah people people love to believe in patterns so that's but then there are patterns so like

maybe there's a thing you know maybe maybe there's a reason why we like to believe in patterns but this i i agree with you this idea that someone's going to be able to like when were you born oh tuesday 7 a.m okay yeah yeah stay home tonight get the fuck out of here bitch you can't you don't know what the hell's going on this is guesswork but also statistically you're gonna have patterns 330 million people yep same thing they talked about earlier yeah 100 i don't really notice patterns and people also find they find a way to take what someone has said and like it seem like, oh, he means my brother. My brother and I have this problem.

We really have to work it out. That's what you're saying. Yes, I think it is your brother. In fact, what color is his hair? It's black. Yes, this guy has black hair. Oh, shit. What do you think about it?

Oh, my God, he knew everything about my brother. Have you ever been to an empath? No, i have not no what do you think about that exactly what is that means they uh like they i don't know i guess it's what they call psychics now so you don't feel like you're getting ripped off oh really they call them empaths they're very empathetic i feel things oh is that what it is you're dead you're dead family and i don't think that anyone on this planet, I don't think there's an equal ability to perceive anything.

I think some people are way more perceptive. Some people are smarter. They see patterns better. They see trouble coming. They see problems. They see things better than other people do. And I think there's feelings that you get sometimes, like weird feelings. Then someone will call you and you're like, fuck, I was just thinking about that, dude.

That is weird. Like someone sends you a text. You haven't thought about them or talked to them in months and months and months. And all of a sudden you think about them and bam, a text comes through or they're calling you. I don't know what that is. One time we were all texting about Jean-Claude Van Damme and five minutes later my Netflix recommendations are full of Jean-Claude Van Damme. I've never watched a Jean-Cclaude van damme i've never watched the jean-claude van damme movie on netflix in my life that's the government eight of them

that should creep you out that should creep you out i had a meeting with netflix about this anime thing early on and i brought this shit up and asked them point blank they said no of course maybe they just get results maybe it's like they have a cleaner and they say to this guy, listen, I don't give a fuck how you find out what these people are talking about, but you can find out, right? Yeah, maybe. We'll see. Just don't tell me.

Just do it. Just do it. And this guy just like this thing is just listening to every goddamn word you say and providing suggestions for things you could buy on Amazon. Maybe. What I was thinking about psychics, though, is I think some people are probably better at that. I bet there is moments where some people have a weird sense.

I just don't think it's consistent enough for anybody to pay money for it. I don't think anybody's ever demonstrated a real, like, provable psychic power. But it doesn't mean that I don't think that that's – look, we can smell. Why can we smell? What is that? that is some shit you can't even see and you can determine whether or not something's terrible based on it i mean you can smell rotten meat you're like oh what the fuck that's your whole body what you don't even see anything where is that how do we not know that there's other

senses that we can develop like our ability to perceive good and bad people our ability to perceive whether or not someone's like a truly kind person or whether someone's sociopathic maybe there's ways to see whether or not people are compatible with your way of thinking maybe there's ways to see weird shit that people are thinking like if someone's planning and they're angry they're about to hit somebody maybe you hit somebody, maybe you could see it. Maybe you could feel it. Maybe you don't even know what the fuck it is, but it smells like the same way rotten meat smells. Like, whoa, I got to get the fuck out of here. There's feelings you get from certain people that are just unhinged.

Spidey sense. Spidey sense. Spidey sense. Yeah. I mean, it just sucks. Just like early chimps were really bad at talking, you know, and then eventually they became people who talk for a living. We talk all day. You sing. You know you know fucking chimps a couple fucking noises that's all they have do you know they lie to each other monkeys do i was i was listening to this podcast i forget what they

were talking about but they got to this thing where it was deception with primates that they'll pretend like that there's an eagle coming so that everybody dives down then they'll steal the fruit they'll make noises they'll make noises like different animals coming to get you wow and they fuck with each other like they have noises that equals eagles and they'll they'll duck down like they hear fucking eagles oh jesus like they imitate the eagle no no they have a word they have a word for it. The word for these monkeys. Like there's a certain screech that they make that represents something coming down from above. Miles just sings Take It Easy on the bus.

I do the same thing. It's your favorite song. I've got to sing it. He loves the eagles. After Joe Walsh, they were a different band, right? Yeah, yeah. This is like pre-Joe Walsh, eagles. Joe Walsh makes everything better. Joe walsh is the savage yeah victim of love anybody doesn't love that song you can fuck off it's a great

goddamn song this is uh oh do we even did we introduce you properly no okay that's justin introduce you properly no okay that's justin i think we did introduce it's mike tyson ladies and gentlemen i'm hanging out with these guys because i'm a green beret and i got hurt and you saw the show last night so i'm speaking at the shows because uh sturgill on his own well let me back up i got blown up in march and i was in the hospital previous year i'd like come off of a deployment had like 11 months before the second one was a bit down in the down of the dumps got divorced had a dude die on the first trip so it was kind of like it was real rough to deal with and then i was listening to these dudes quite a bit and then led into the next deployment i was there a month boom almost died pretty hard um

teammates saved me and uh we had blood on the ground like i got blood on on target and then they made a hellacious movement to get me to the medevac long story short i'm eating dinner in the hospital one of the first meals jamming out to these dudes and i was like mom i want to i want to meet sterling simpson and then she tried to get a hold of him. SOCOM eventually did. And he came, hung out for like two hours. I made my friend now, General Beaudet, wait like 15 minutes so that we could finish talking about what we were talking about,

which when you're an enlisted dude, you don't make generals wait. But I was on a lot of ketamine, so it was sweet. But then Sturgill had it on his own accord to, like, donate to the foundation. So this little tour going on that coincides with the actual album release is donating to the Special Forces Foundation. So that helps Gold Star families, which are the families that remained of the friends that got killed on this trip. So there were four Green Berets and two EOD techs.

And so that money is going to them, and that's what I care about. I'm alive. I don't have any legs below my knees for those that can't see my legs on the video anyway. And I don't have my testicles either. So that's a different set of challenges. But I don't care about getting taken care of other than the normal army processes, but I want them to get

taken care of from the foundation. I'm grateful to have these guys as friends now. They're awesome. They're amazing musicians, but amazing people. And then I'm grateful to be here and just to push that out so people that are coming to the shows all that money goes to the the foundation and then people can go on the foundation's website which is special forces foundation.org and uh yeah i appreciate it

that's fucking awesome man that's really really really cool that's really cool that you're doing this and thank you for coming here and telling everybody this you know this is it's a great way to it's a great way to help out and your music you know to connect it to that

I think that's just a fucking incredible thing it's really cool you know when you were sending me the text messages telling me that you were going to the hospital, you know, it's very touching. It was like, yeah. Yeah, you were, you know, you could tell you were seriously moved by this. And, you know, for someone like you who truly understands the consequences of war, like the physical consequences in a way that none of us will understand, it's very, not just it's brave of you to talk about this,

but it's also so valuable, so valuable for everybody that hasn't served to understand what it really is. So thank you for that. Well, I always say I really like combat because I was in a lot of it, relatively speaking. A bunch of guys have been in way more combat. A bunch of people have treated more casualties.

I'm a medic, but I was in a fair amount, almost got killed on the first trip a good handful of times. So I just don't like the war aspect when you see your friends get killed and you're stuck in a hospital bed on top of all this stuff that's you know I didn't shit for a week I pissed blood for a week I've had tons of nights of

excruciating pain that's the life of an amputee or they're guys that are worse than me so I'm just grateful for having what I have and yeah that's the beginning of it like especially on ketamine when you're going through all that and you're just like i was telling like the people that took the trash out in the room like hey i'm grateful for you brother like right on brother what is uh what is ketamine like after catastrophic injury like that does it relieve the pain does it just put you in another dimension so ketamine is a an mda sucker right yeah just and ketamine is a an mda antagonist in the brain so essentially is a dissociative so the way that it feels because we learned this in class as a medic and everything but the way that it feels is kind of it takes your perspective and it's like it always felt

like a whirlwind when if i was getting a push of it but things it's like, it always felt like a whirlwind when the, if I was getting a push of it, but things it's like, you're starting to get your vision masked and, uh, you're present, you're still there, but you're dipping into like subconscious cause you're still conscious.

Cause unconscious would mean that you're like, you pass out and you can not have a gag reflex depending on how unconscious you are. So, uh, ketamine i i would close my eyes and immediately trip the most insane balls that you could imagine and open them and i'd be back in the room and i'd be like what the fuck whoa and then a friend of mine uh when i left my first rotation he was an air force cct that got uh blown up in the same village I had a few casualties in.

He stepped on ID. He's in above the knee, some missing fingers. But when he was on ketamine, when he was awake and looking around, he'd see the walls on fire. And then there'd be like women, like white, pale skin in the corners, peeling the skin off their back. And he was like awake. And I was like, dude, that's like whatever i don't know it must be like someone's psychology when they go in like set and setting type thing but i was in it when i got a lot of ketamine my legs are blown off i'm getting worked on i'm telling dudes how

to treat me i cut my own shirt off and then i get the ketamine and i'm like in and out and i see these visions back and forth and like i, I was convinced I was, there are two distinct moments. I was like, I'm not going to make it and had that conversation. So, and what's surreal about this right here is that you were talking to him on this show and you guys talked about combat medics and you were like and i just sing in key and i was like right on they're talking about me and then i got all kinds of jacked up makes you appreciate makes you appreciate life and i've gone through a huge development last year through depression and then this year after this blast of like being grateful and like doing introspection and communicating and having empathy for other people and being compassionate

human which general mattis has told us a group of us on the way back from my first trip it's like don't let this experience of war make you a more hateful human being because people haven't experienced it let it allow yourself to go through post-traumatic growth and become a better human being and treat other people like you want to be treated and treat and i would add on to that which came from tim ferris treat yourself the way you treat other people too that's not a side of mattis that you ever hear in the press huh i suppose not that's i think that would be very valuable for people they know that he thinks that way that's a it's a very powerful way to view

this inevitable the inevitable consequences of war that that started scraping me off the bottom to focus on that after that trip yeah that ketamine shit is a weird one because um a lot of people do it recreationally and apparently they they blast off and go into other dimensions and shit and they go into k-holes and i never did it i never tried it i knew a dude who died from it he was really into it he's doing it a lot what what happened i don't know like an infection he i know he um he probably was doing a bunch of other things as well but he was getting treated for ketamine for addiction and then he wound up dying you can dose the shit out of ketamine yeah you couldn't it doesn't kill you you can give a kid 300 megs of it and they will fucking trip balls but they are going to they're not going to die it's like the opposite of all the other drugs i think he was doing other shit too

yeah i think the ketamine was just something he was treated for i think he was doing a bunch of speed and stuff too which uh it's um ketamine was originally like isn't it a cat tranquilizer or something like that they give it to my wife's best friend's a veterinarian she definitely is like jacking animals with ketamine on the drug it's it's increasing now in like civilian hospitals but started as like a veterinarian drug which i mean it works great and you combine it with some other stuff do you know who john lilly it sounds familiar. John Lilly was this scientist that he was a pioneer in interspecies communication. He did all this work with dolphins, and he was also a big acid freak. And he would take acid and try to communicate with dolphins.

He would allegedly give dolphins acid. He was a part of this longstanding program to try to get dolphins to talk to him. But one of the things he invented was... Why is there not a movie about this there is altered states no way altered states is based a lot on john lilly because he invented the sensory deprivation does he give the dolphins acid the movie no because it just was loosely based on him because in the movie the guy experimented with a bunch of different types of sensory deprivation tanks and everybody knew that this guy he was a legitimate doctor a brilliant guy but he was also a ketamine freak and one thing he would do is like you take intramuscular ketamine and then get into the sensory deprivation tank oh yeah that'd be

that's a double whammy sweet yeah a double whammy so is that stuff um difficult to get off of or do you do you have to worry about that is there uh like a withdrawal symptom the issue would be with the pain like when you have something that's controlling some sort of level of pain and then coming off of that you usually wean off of it but there's not a physical addiction issue you know i should know the answer to that definitively but as as a medic yeah but uh i haven't heard of anything that words card to come off of they had you on other stuff way harder to come off oh yeah i was on methadone and uh sturgill friend shooter and duff mckagan came

to the hospital and duff was like methadone is worse than heroin like because g and r guys were rocking it in the 80s but that was like i mean one one week i dropped down 20 migs instead of the 10 and it was like being a junkie like for nine hours i was just like rubbing my legs like whoa because they're just lit up with nerve pain it feels like there's daggers in your leg or some sort of electrocution and you look like on a movie with like someone cracked out or something i was just like rubbing my shit we used to uh see these guys who would come into the pool hall when i used to play pool in white plains they would come in there was a methadone clinic down the street and they were all heroin people and my friend johnny b would call them methadonians

because they would come in they all had had this sort of dull shuffle to them. They were all slowed down. And I could never understand it. I was like, is this like a culturally, did someone agree? Did we make some sort of agreement? Like, this drug's okay? It's got some stamp of approval,

so we're accepting that they have to get methadone every day, but they can't get heroin anymore. Why don't just give them heroin like is how much different is the methadone is the methadone get them high well it's synthesized so it's easier to control but does it get them high i didn't have any effect a while no it's just fighting off the physiology yeah so it just fights the physiology they're not getting you'll never get high like the first time you spike really potent narcotic yeah for like the other the adverse effects but don't people have like the best effects with like ibogaine and things like that when it comes to getting off of opiates for getting kicking opiates yeah i mean if you want to go through that i would say you know

that would probably be your best but for a quick solution if that's what you mean like but methadone's like it is actually bad for you, isn't it? Yes. It fucks your sleep. I didn't sleep. I didn't have deep sleep for four months. And I'd get in bed at 9, not fall asleep until 3 in the morning. That fucks with everything, too.

Yeah. It's a pretty shitty year. Damn. And how long did it take to get you off of the methadone i mean once you're off of it the doctors were saying that it stays in your adipose tissue which is your fat for like two or three weeks because i'd have random nights when i was off of it and just get lit up with nerve pain and like getting hit with a hammer on my toes um so probably four to probably like six weeks of weaning that,

and then I weaned another drug, Lyrica. I mean, for you it had to feel, I mean, because you were there at Walt's Reed the whole time. You had to feel frustrated. But for somebody like Mike, the first time I came to see you, it was only what? What, a month after the blast? At most, yeah. to see you it was only what how many what a month after the blast at most yeah so he was still in a lot of i mean more pain than i could even comprehend somebody being in you know from nerve pain for how many how many surgeries on each leg uh it's close to 30 surgeries total which yeah but there's a staples in your back to yeah were they

taken I mean you describe just man just like how can anybody you know and then he was still as he said the first time we met he was highest giraffe balls on Academy but like I was I was profoundly impressed by even then like how clear-headed and articulate and I was obviously this guy's obviously brilliant you know I mean like you just threw the fog and awareness of everything going on in the room despite the faint the pain he was trying to pretend like he wasn't in I just and then that place was full of guys like him and everything then when I went back it's like all new faces you know these people but then when I back, the second time I went to see him was there a couple days.

And it was like just in a matter of short time. It was leaps and bounds. And he's in the gym on one leg, like fucking busting out 20 pull-ups and everything. You know, it was just kind of like there's got to be something we can, anything you can do to help in whatever way. And these guys, since I've known him, I've never once ever heard him ask for anything. His only concerns were, like, for the families of the guys that didn't make it. You know, so it's just like really around an album release,

if I'm going to have a bunch of attention on me, I thought it would be a good opportunity to put attention on what other people can do to help these guys and their families because, you know, the sacrifices, especially sitting in these rooms and looking at these dudes, man, I can't even. You can't. You know, what do you what do you call that? Yeah. Well, I want to help. So after the show, let's figure out what we can do to jump in

i want to i want to help so uh help with the podcast help with some comedy shows maybe to just whatever we could do i appreciate that i'm you know listen i'm blown away by all this as much as i think all these people are listening and watching this is it's beautiful that you're doing this man and I think that you know I mean it's inspiring me to do something

I think it's probably inspiring a bunch of other people and that's that's those things that people talk about one thing that you might experience or hear in life

that sort of changes your world view and moves you in a better direction this is this could be one of those things, you know? You're a good man. Well, I'm not fucking anything, man.

I'm just a dude. Well, you're just an awesome dude. All you guys, it's cool. I'm very happy that you're bringing awareness to this. I'm real happy that you're doing that. It makes me feel great and it's you know like justin said the the war side of it is the the tragedy i guess um so it's not like you know right or left it's just like this is the reality of it and people are making these sacrifices for you and when they come home what do we do for them you know it's a hard thought for people

to accept that war is inevitable it's a hard thought and it doesn't seem like it's inevitable because it's not inevitable in this room i mean if we were the last people on earth and there was a bunch of food and places to sleep i think we'd probably not kill each other we probably wouldn't go to war right it's like what is the number where you go to war is it a million is it two million is it separated by oceans is it just mountains or boundaries but the fact that no one thinks that war can be solved like no no one that i know thinks that in our lifetime there'll be no war then there's never been a period where someone on earth that's human

hasn't been going to war with each other it's a horrible truth of being a person and nobody nobody knows it the way you do so for you to come on and and tell your story the way you just did i appreciate the fuck out of that man. I would just want people, if they hear that and it moves them, it's more of like just be grateful on a regular basis for anything. I mean, Steven Pinker was on your show. I ended up FaceTiming with him as a result of all this. But he has that book about basically the Enlightenment worked, and we still have war, and then there are people still fighting it.

But overall, the world is continuing to improve and steadily getting better, and fewer people are dying from genocide and war. But it still exists. So I would want the respect for war. If someone is wanting to go to war, if someone is going to be a commander-in-chief. And that's a heavy thing to toss back and forth.

Yeah, extremely. It means that I may never have kids because I don't have my balls. Like there's sacrifice. And I'm the one that lived, and I didn't have any kids, but, like, my friends have four girls. My other friend has three kids. So, like, if you're going to move the chess piece to war, then we need to understand the implications of what that means

and try to do everything in political power and state strategy to avoid overt war because it's nasty. Especially with a near-peer that's russia russia near peer war would be the worst thing you know it's that's world war three mutually assured destruction is the strangest thing on earth that we all have enough weapons pointing each other to literally nuke every fucking man woman and child off the face of the earth many times over and that's what keeps us from using them but yet we still have them and we still haven't pointed each other i mean remember when you were kids

and we were worried about russia do you remember that shit yeah i'm older i'm older you guys and i'm worried about people walking into target with a suicide vest yeah. When's that coming? Right. Yeah, you could, all of it. Because Europe's been dealing with that shit for decades. You know, we really haven't tasted that yet. Like on a widespread habitual scale. So it means a lot of people are working very hard to make sure we don't. Yes. How does anybody ever fix that?

How does any country, how does civilization as a whole ever fix that? I don't think you really can because it's an idea. It's like you have to change somebody's mind. I was going to say mushrooms,

but the Vikings took mushrooms. Isolation tanks. The Vikings loved taking mushrooms and fucking people up kind of mean in isolation tanks would be a pretty good start i think that would put everybody in a good place yeah it's weird it's just it's the i mean most people most of the time are never not thinking about killing somebody but we know that as a just inevitable part of being human that groups of people are going to get together and fuck up other groups of people.

It's always been a part of us. It's one of the strangest things about human beings. It's truly strange because the consequences are so awful. And yet it's inevitable. I had to make that decision this year. I found out I'm not a psychopath. It was very reassuring. Yeah, you told me about that story yeah um yeah that was i don't know to be honest i'll tell the story but

before i forget the thought it was everything else associated with what happened after that i found more impactful and um you know the stuff that lasted or stays with you it wasn't what actually happened it was seeing the aftermath and like the system and how it all yeah pans out um but we had a we had two home invasions within 36 hours I guess the first time the guy came in in the middle of the night about 2.30, 3 a.m. and our back door had this sensor on it made a very signature noise and if you live in your house you know the noise

is in your house and for whatever reason it just woke me up from a dead sleep and I knew what I heard and there's only thing that would make that noise so I kind of snaked my way out the hall and down to the top of the stairs, and when I hit the top of the stairs, I heard the dog growl, and the door closed back.

So I knew that was somebody leaving. We have a huge fucking dog, basically useless, but he did growl, and he made a very primitive noise. I was proud of him. And the guy didn't come in because of that, and I just went downstairs and kind of swept the ground floor and then he was gone um i didn't want to freak my wife out so i waited till the morning to tell her and then we called police of course one of the

neighbors got it on like a ring cam in the back alley the guy leaving and going down the street so i had a very clear view of him and uh so for whatever, my wife and the kids, they had to go on down to where we actually live. I was working that week in Nashville, probably mixing a record or something. So I had to stay behind. And, uh, as a result of me being home alone that day, I was cleaning and working on a firearm I had recently purchased and assembled. and working on a firearm I had recently purchased and assembled. And so I went to bed that night, locked everything up, and because they weren't home, I put the gun on the floor on a padded case next to the bed.

So I'm looking the next morning. It's like 7.15 a.m., like sun shining, neighbor's going to work, and I hear the back door open again. And I was like, this can't, you know, what the fuck? Is that the maid? Who would be here that early and i guess out of paranoia or whatever reason i grabbed that gun and just went to the top of the stairs to look i still think it's the maid and when i hit the top of stairs and looked down the staircase same guy same clothes just standing in my living room rolling the cord up on my headphones. And I was like, well, all right.

I was almost impressed. One that he came back with was just like, I couldn't believe it was happening at this time. And so I started down the stairs on him very quietly. And I got about halfway down by the time he, like, turned and saw me. And I was looking at his fucking head through a red dot like a video game. I'll never forget that image of this guy like probably thinking he's about to die

and the back door was thankfully still open the only thing I said to him was what are we doing here man and I hit him with a strobe which kind of like probably to his brain he thought was the gun going off because he kind of like seizure,

and then I saw the adrenaline spike, and he turned and went out the back door and jumped clean off my fucking porch, like never hit a single step, and ran at the back gate. He had latched it, and I saw this on the video later. When he came in, he shut the back gate back,

so he hit that back gate on a dead run and just like blew it to hell latches and woods splinters flying and like took off down the alley and i was just i'm still i'm standing on my porch with a fucking you know yeah looking like a jackass and my neighbors literally walking out of the house going to work and shit i'm just like okay that happened and then uh so then the next thing there's like eight police officers in my living room all they wanted to see was my gun and every single one of them asked me why i didn't shoot the guy and uh which i found very interesting i was like well i mean and i thought about it finally you wouldn't one when i'm down going down the stairs you would not believe how much shit can

go through your head in like four seconds like i had this whole conversation with myself as to like wife and kids aren't here you know this guy doesn't even know i'm here yet i'm holding a fucking assault rifle and he's not a threat to me but if i put one through his dome which i have every legal right to do right now there's going to be news vans on my lawn this is going to be on your fucking wikipedia page like you know i mean like all of that i'm just like this guy is not a threat yeah um and thankfully he chose to go out the door but all those it was just so weird they were like why didn't you shoot him i was like well and i said that and they just kind of looked at me.

And I was like, you know, literally by the time we engaged, man, two seconds later, he's running out the door. I said, well, what, am I going to shoot him in the back? And then you put me in prison? And they were like, ah, fuck, man, twice in a week? You'd have been fine. We'd have figured something out. Figured something out. Who wants to take that chance?

Oh, yeah, yeah. With life in prison or not? Yeah, roll the dice. I mean, if he'd have turned and ran at me, we'd probably be having a different conversation. But he didn't. Or if he reached for a gun. Anything. Which he didn't.

Was he a junkie? No. No, he was like 25. Honestly, I saw his whole fucking life on his face. You know what I mean? Just like probably hard times. Just a mess? Punk kid, probably like I was. I didn't do any shit like that when I was his age but no his tox college came back clean he had like one prior for possession

I'm just hard times desperate and so I got subpoenaed because I was the only one that actually met him and I go to the court case and you know it was very interesting and telling experience for him because I'd never really been to anything like that. And he was one of maybe eight or nine other people on the docket that day, all assigned the same public defender who literally shows up 15 minutes before they start the day to familiarize himself with every single case. And you just saw this factory, like these young, underprivileged black males just getting pumped into the system. The DA came over and she was just like, thanks for being here, yada, yada. And, you know, unluckily for him, he broke into like 13 other houses. And they had him on tape and a lot of things.

So we had 13 or 14 aggravated burglary charges, which is pretty fucking heavy, you know. Every one of those is like a class B. So he was looking at 12 to 15. I he sang like a bird pleaded down got six and then if he does a successful rehabilitation program in prison he could be out in two and and she was like yada yada and uh i just realized like wow they're just just throwing this kid's life away because he you know granted he came into some people's houses and he almost got fucking killed. And they caught him the next night, like three streets over in the act,

doing the same thing. But he had no priors. He wasn't on drugs. It was just like no direction, probably no discipline, no guidance, no heroes. And I struggled with that. I was like, there's gotta be like what if I gave him a job it depends entirely

on who he is right which I never got the chance to sit down and find that find that out I never got to talk to him face to face it might turn out awesome

cause he was just some punk fucking kid I'd be like good luck man you know I mean it might turn out awesome it might turn out terrible it Because he was just some punk fucking kid. I'd be like, good luck, man. Yeah, I mean, it might turn out awesome. It might turn out terrible. It's depending upon the person.

But there's so many people in this country that are set up to fail. Their circumstances, their life, their environment, what they're surrounded by all day long. They're set up to fail. And I've always said that if we really cared i mean if someone we have this plan that we always sort of impart we put x amount of money toward this and y amount of money towards that but if we wanted to make this country we want to really make it stronger you would want less losers so how do you get less losers you prevent them from ever

becoming losers but you help them when you're their kids during their developmental period you mean spend more money on education spend more money on cleaning up impoverished neighborhoods and crime-ridden neighborhoods they it's not impossible it's not like fucking breathing on the sun like it can be done like neighborhoods can get better they get better. But the idea that there's so little time and effort put into fixing those parts of our own country. I mean, we have the most resources. We have this fucking spectacular country filled with amazing people. And some of them just don't get a chance because they're stuck in a rut from the moment they come out of their mother's body. They're stuck in this rut.

You've been assigned your lot. You got fucked fucked you got a bad roll of the dice and that's a lot of countries man this is one of the few countries where like anybody can just put the fucking boots down and make something happen one of the few a lot of like you know japan you pretty much know by second or third grade what your lot's going to be by your test scores already like you know you know if you're going to be working class or if you're going to university this country we applaud when you started out poor right we love it like people who start out poor and then become successful that's like our favorite shit it is right like what do we what is this country like more than a success story right you know like he started out eating bread and all he had all he had is money to barely get to school and barely get home but he keeps showing up every day

everybody wants to hear that story that's the fucking story rocky heart bro yeah bro how many shows you guys doing uh we're doing six of these just as a conversation starter but then the real tour will be oh i should probably announce that they told me to while we're here uh we're going to do a u.s full u.s tour starting mid or late february and with myself and a young man named tyler childers opening i love that dude yeah we do too big fan of that dude um so that's happening next year and those will also tie into uh fundraising ticket master and adg and everybody participate and that's gonna i was listening to his purgatory album on the way

over here were you yeah miles and i both fucked around the room when that got made it's great shit miles played drums on it's really good most records right yeah i just stood in the control room and pretended to do stuff. I can confirm that. So when you do a show like the Troubadour, is it like a knock the rust off? Well, definitely. We haven't played in over a year. And we're going back and working up material we literally haven't played since we recorded it two and a half years ago. And we don't really rehearse. we just sort of knock the rust off it takes us about three or four shows to feel

like we even know what the fuck's happening so you guys don't get together before no chuck and bob both live in detroit miles and i'm in tennessee we hadn't seen these guys since october we get a lot done at soundcheck basically yeah but you're all still active as musicians, even when you're not together touring. I don't know what they do. I am. I'm a freelancer in Detroit. So when you say freelancer, what does that involve? Like what he was saying, if someone needs?

Yeah, I've been in the area for like 25 years. So I play with a lot of bands, a lot of friends. There's a big group of people. Detroit's a great city for musicians. So you can stay busy if you know the right people and you're not a dick. Dude, I mean, I have zero musical talent or never pursued any of it. So I love music. It's one of my favorite things to hear stories about people.

Because I just love the idea of you going out and, hey, we need a badass bass player. And they send you over to this place and that, like a fucking gun for hire. To me, as a kid growing up in Newton, Massachusetts, I used to always listen to music. I never thought about doing it. So when I see people that do do it, it's like, whoa, that guy is making a living making music. It's one of the to me one of the coolest forms of of art because um everybody gets inspired by it almost everybody loves it and um almost nobody knows how to do it you can tell you can always tell the people who do it

better than others too i mean yes there's levels to it man yeah i mean there's there's uh suzanne santo and i were talking about gary clark jr last night like this guy he's got some weird thing going on with his fucking guitar like it's it's a gary clark jr you know what i mean like it's a sound he puts out he has a certain sound that's like you could hear it like i hear a new song oh that's gary clark jr song like by his guitar sound yeah yeah there's like something to the way he's got like this he he did a cover of uh midnight rider with uh suzanne and honey honey at this like little hole in the wall place in downtown la it was like maybe maybe 100 people

in the room tiny ass little crowded like midnight on a tuesday night and i mean maybe i'm exaggerating maybe there's 300 people but it was fucking small shit and he did his gary clark jr version of midnight rider fuck it was amazing it was amazing it's like there's there's a guy like him he could pick up any guitar yeah and plug it in any amp and he's it's still gonna sound like him yeah yeah you know yeah i mean i don't know that but i believe it i don't know shit about playing a guitar but i believe it makes sense to me it was still yeah he's got a thing yeah i think it's awesome that a guitar driven act is headlining huge rooms too yeah theaters and they play they play the hollywood ball yeah that's amazing you know he's undeniable you just got to get the fuck out of the way you know he's undeniable yeah i mean that

kind of music i never i've never met him we played a festival once he was at and i just saw him walking across the grass backstage and i was like that's cool motherfucker right there he's the nicest guy ever you'd love him he's so nice. He's a really, really cool guy. Does any of your family play music or did? Well, my oldest daughter does.

Really? Yeah, but no one in my, like my mom's side or my dad's side, like no one in that part of the family played music.

But everybody loves it. I think it's, there's some kind of music in everybody. You can repeat rhythms back. For sure. And that counts. Conjunction, junction, what's your function?

You're a musician. Everybody. Everybody has music in their life. I mean, everybody. People who don't like, the only person I know who doesn't like music, he might have changed his stance on it, is Doug Stanhope. He's like, ah, I fucking hate music. I hate songs.

But I don't know if that's true or if he's just working on a bit. You know what I mean? It's hard to tell. But he's the only guy I know that's even espoused those ideas, that he doesn't like music. Do you ever do that? Do you ever have conversations with people, and they don't know you're actually working on material?

No, because if I'm saying it, I probably really do mean it. Right. Or I'm just trying to be funny, and then it turns out like oh i could say this on stage but it's never like hey i'm gonna work out my uh ihop joke on sturgill today right hey sturgill been in ihop lately waffle house yeah well waffle house is that was a better choice waffle house is synonymous with fucking knife fights and brawls and... And Sturgill Simpson. 24-hour food. Actually, I used to work at IHOP.

My loyalties go back. I'll sing for Waffle House, but I'm IHOP. But no one's totally relaxed at a Waffle House at 2 in the morning. Fuck no. No. You gotta be like a fucking deer listening for branches now. Nobody's even sober in a Waffle House at 2 a.m.

It's a dangerous time. Some of the most interesting people I've ever met in my life were in the wee hours of the night in a Waffle House. Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure. But you've got to take a risk. Well. Yeah, you're taking a risk. For that delicious-ass food, man.

Delicious-ass food. Covered in chunk, man. Dude, you take those big slabs of butter and lather the shit out of that waffle. And just don't even worry about your cholesterol count. Just pour that fucking syrup on it. Who gives a fuck about calories? Tonight we live. And you cut up that ham steak and eggs with that fucking waffle with thick, like a half an inch of butter and syrup all over it.

We do truck stops in the south sometimes, two, three in the morning. Him and some of the other younger dudes, they'd go in hard and brave. We're like, what, the chili? What the fuck? Who did that? Dalton. Dalton, yeah, Dalton. Shout out to Dalton.

Was Dalton, yeah, was he born before or after Roadhouse? That's really important. After, but he'd never seen the movie. We immediately started calling him Roadhouse or Double Douche. And he finally had to see it. He's man this shit was fucking whack i don't want to be roadhouse i was like you don't you know nothing no how can you say it's whack he just he's got the wrong context you dare talk bad about patrick swayson that's an all-time classic terrible movie but in the best way. Like, you get super excited. It's extremely homoerotic.

Looking back now. I mean, that whole fight scene with him and the guy. I used to fuck guys like you in prison. Like, what was going on there? Yeah, I think that's just bad writing. Is that tough guy talk we don't know about? I think it's Patrick Swayze's so handsome, everything with him was homoerotic. Right. Because he's beautiful beautiful guy man yeah he was a he was literally a ballet dancer yeah he moved like one yeah when he's like the karate expert and shit like he said just a

right amount of muscular red dawn brother that too oh man this is one of the worst fight scenes look how bad this is like in terms of movement ha dude the speed of his techniques the impact of these strikes look at this this is where sam elliott shows up eventually right yeah boom boom oh the double headbutt move oh the bottle over the head there he is oh my goodness sam elliott we'vet move. Oh, the bottle over the head. There he is. Oh, my goodness. Sam Elliott. We've actually seen a guy take a bottle to the head, so I can attest for a fact that you can still fight after taking a giant, full, unopened bottle of Grey Goose to the head.

Oh, fuck. But only in a Mexican discotheque in McAllen, Texas. After a Dwight Young. He had a big white cowboy hat on on and he looked like a bodybuilder and he had two ladies at the table and he was flossing hard and I think he turned around and spit a little game

at somebody else's woman. And Miles, oh yeah, let me back up that fucking story. It was the first real tour we ever did. We finally got a booking agent and we went out and we did two weeks opening

for Dwight Yoakam, which was fucking awesome. It felt like an actual huge break. You know what I mean? We went from playing dive bar shitholes to 12 drunks to standing in front of 4,000 or 5,000 people. Texans. Texans. With hats.

And we were down in Pharr, Texas. With P-H-A-R-R, which is right on the border. And we went down and did the gig. And it was fucking amazing because it was in this giant auditorium and they had these long tables like you would have in like a school cafeteria but they were just they were rows of them as far back as i could see and when they had it looked like it might as well be in 1955 man we were playing the hayride or some shit because it was like white cowboy hats. Just an ocean

of white cowboy hats. Whites and Hispanics, and everybody was seated and sort of turned sideways and joined the show. It was a very civil little vibe. And then after the show, the promoters, these guys were like, you guys want to go to a club? I was like,

not really, but the younger guys might. I was basically babysitting you ass the younger guys might have they were i was basically babysitting you assholes at that point they're all fucking kids and uh so they round us up and take us to this fucking discotheque and we're the only gringos in this place man and it was like there was some serious mochismo being thrown around it was a little a little threatening and uh the guy starts telling it they get on the mic with a dj and they're telling everybody that we're dwight yokum's band i realized like oh shit this guy we're a promotion tool you know what i mean to make his club look cool we don't play for dwight yokum but they said it like 50 fucking

times you know and finally we're just kind of sitting in the corner not speaking in mind our own business so that we don't die and uh miles and i were sitting at a table on some chairs and all of a sudden it's just liquid and broken glass just raining down on us from behind and i kind of turned around to see this guy sort of stumble and the dude's still standing there holding the bottle neck and it was like he had these big unopened bottles of gray goose like big ass gray goose bottles on ice and the dude just came up to his table behind him and, like, fucking necked one and took it to the dome. And the guy kind of stutter-stepped. He turned around.

He took his cowboy hat off, and he went at him and beat the fuck out of both of them. And I told Miles, like, I think this is where we leave. Yeah, everybody left. Yeah, it just cleared the whole place out. Whoa. But I couldn't believe it. I thought, like, it would kill somebody. It depends on where you hit them and how you hit them, how hard you hit them.

You could definitely kill somebody with a bottle, though. Right. I mean, it certainly happened. I was reading some horrible story about a 13-year-old kid who got sucker punched and wound up dying. I mean, you could kill somebody accidentally accidentally even if you didn't mean to you hit somebody they fall they hit their head they die that happens all the time like that dad at the the hockey game oh that was horrible man this kid like watched that happen oh over nothing over hockey over kids hockey yeah man people get real weird Bob's being awfully quiet I

just want you know he's fucking Bob Bob was so high last night he could say anything this is probably Bob just was hitting that joint so hard I didn't have anywhere to put put it down you know his plan so I thought you're gonna come over and take it the path wasn't quite as clear as i thought it might be yeah i noticed that right when we walked down justin introduced and it was like where do i walk to get to the thing you know was it what was the instrument that was facing the crowd like uh to your left well up there was a keyboard it was a hammond b3 and then on top of that was a Clavinet D6. And what was this one that was facing you, but the back of it was to the crowd?

It was all exposed wiring? That was the B3. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's a trip to look back into the gears. Bob's like a gearhead, kind of a reverse engineering genius, and he only uses primitive audio gear. And I'm pretty sure now I've known him for

since like 2011 I'm convinced he only does it he buys shit he knows it'll break so he can fix it that's it right there yeah

there's a picture from my Instagram yeah it looks cool I mean it's supposed to have a wood back but it looks cool looks cool as fuck

yeah man but it's it's very revealing like oh there's a lot going on in there. You can surf them, too. I've seen him do it. On top of it, you mean? Oh, yeah. Saturday Night Live. Just Saturday Night Live

stuff. We got pretty fired up. No big deal. I looked over and Bob's playing Teen Wolf on his organ. I was like, alright. That was a terror. And absolute joy at the same time. When I saw that cymbal fall off and I looked up like what was going on and Bobby was standing on his organ, I was just like, oh, my God.

Why not? Why not? Hey, man, fucking do whatever you want. Just keep doing what you're doing. Do whatever the fuck you want. If you guys can keep doing what you did last night, I love it. I'm in.

It's only going up from there, really. Yeah, that was the first one. So we were very critical and unhappy. It was fun as fuck, man. It was fun as fuck. Here we go. Oh, that's when he did it on SNL? Oh, there it is.

Boom. That was the first time we played that record last night. Damn. That's some good shit right there, man, if I'm going to say so myself. That was a lot of adrenaline, man. Because we had all, literally, everybody, we had all the horns with us, but everybody in the band. You know, you as a kid, you dream about that shit right there from the time you even think about playing music.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Going out rocking SNL. So before the second song, we were backstage and I just told everybody, like, you know, this is most likely the only time we may ever get to fucking do this. So don't leave anything out there, you know? Yeah. you know yeah somebody wrote a great article about it saying that a musical artist named sturgill simpson just snuck in a song about the illegal heroin trade on snl yeah yeah that happened i wasn't like i didn't think about it that way we just knew that should be fun to play but yeah

it is kind of a i mean that's what you did. Yeah. I mean, that's what it's about. Do you remember, did you ever see that video of Geraldo Rivera walking through the poppy fields where the military was guarding the poppy fields? No. Yeah, the military was guarding the poppy fields because in order to get information

from the people that lived there, you had to get them on your side there. You had to get them on your side. So the way to get them on their side was to protect their heroin production. So they got the United States military walking through these poppy fields with Geraldo Rivera interviewing them.

And they're trying to explain. It's the craziest thing you've ever seen in your life. You're like, this is a movie. This is not real. This is a movie. Geraldo Rivera is interviewing soldiers. And the soldiers, United States soldiers, fucking machine guns out, are guarding poppy fields. And you're like, what? Wait a minute.

They're guarding heroin? Where? Afghanistan. It's a fucking trip. If we play it, we have an issue, right? If we play it, how does that work? We'll get kicked off YouTube? It's not as easy to find it why would you get really i mean i'm just looking and it's hard to find now we've played it on the podcast many times they might be trying to wash it from

the internet well they know dude it's a trip yeah it's geraldo rivera interviewing this guy it's an old clip it's here it is so herald we won't play the volume because otherwise we'll get uh kicked off of youtube but when we're watching this harald rivera is interviewing these soldiers who are talking about how they have to guard these poppy fields so they guard these poppy fields so that they can get information on the taliban and that these these guys who are the farmers would be on their side you have to see it. You have to see the whole thing. It's a long video that plays out.

Was the Taliban, would they burn it down, or did they just control the money from it? That's a good question. I don't know. Are you protecting the heroin, or are these farmers like means of income? That's a good question. Yeah, I think it's the farmers' means of income.

Politically, I guess you're asking a very important question. Everything's about money. Everything's about money. Everything's about money. Was it the Taliban anti-heroin? Do we know that? I don't know. Heroin has ramped up since this time period. Heroin use.

Well, from that time period of that video, yeah. Yeah. It just keeps ramping up, right? Yeah. Ramped up in Vietnam pretty hard, too. Yeah. What a coincidence crazy there's no way that the united states government back then the 60s when no one was accountable would ever be involved

in heroin trade i've met at least two elder gentlemen in my life randomly in bars who claim to fly airplanes for the cia in vietnam i just assumed they were both full completely full of shit who Who knows? Did you ever see that CIA drug plane that crashed in Mexico with like a ton of cocaine on it? They ran out of gas and they wouldn't let them land

in Mexico to refuel because they knew what they were doing. These guys are like, you know, they have way too much weight and they crashed. And it's the craziest fucking series of images.

You look at this plane all fucked up, strewn across the field, but all the hair or the cocaine is intact it's all stuffed into this airplane wow this is what that's what they recovered all for this but there's there's pictures of the wreckage oh you can kind of see the wreckage in the background there yeah so in the wreckage like as these planes crash it's just plum full of cocaine four tons of cocaine that's 8 000 pounds man that's so heavy 400 tons what oh not four i don't know one of these is not

accurate but it's just all memes that can't be right 400 tons straight into that bag did you ever see that uh that tom cruise movie aboutale? Yes. It's all about that. It's all about a few cowboys, rogue CIA agents, that decide to try to make a little bit of money. He was in that movie for like five minutes, and he steals the whole fucking thing. Who is he? He plays his wife's younger brother. Oh, yeah. The little degenerate dipshit.

He was awesome. He's great. He's a funny dude. That's a lot like the Bluegrass Conspiracy. You know about that? What's that? The Bluegrass. Basically, it was a Lexington, Kentucky police officer.

Oh, man. It went all the way up to the governor's office. Yeah, and it was deep in Kentucky politics for years and years and years. And he was flying a plane, a little prop plane with weed and money, millions of dollars in cocaine. He crashed in Knoxville, Tennessee, and they found everything. They didn't know he was a police officer until he died. He jumps out of the plane with a parachute with the coke strapped to him. The way the fuck to shoot up.

Gucci loafers. They found him on the ground with his chute half open and just like... Like a powder poke. And a bear also ate all the cocaine. And died, right? Like a big strawberry shortcake just laying there in a horse farm field. There's pictures of all... Well, not all of that.

How much coke does it take to kill a bear? It says how much he ate. I don't know off the top of my head. I think they have it stuffed in uh lexington i think that's a really good book you should read that book bluegrass conspiracy because it wanted the true story but it small state level corruption at the utmost level in terms of drugs pablo escobar. The legendary cocaine bear of Kentucky. Wow, is that the bear they

mounted him? Wow. He's got a fucking sign around his neck that says cocaine bear. I think that's a company. I love Kentucky. Kentucky for Kentucky. That's like a gold chain. It's like he's a rapper. Look, he's got his hat sideways

and he's got a fucking sign around his neck he's a rapper Look he's got his hat sideways And he's got a fucking sign Around his neck It says cocaine bear It's all gold Well Bluegrass Bluegrass baby I gotta read into that

I definitely had heard About the bear eating the coke Yeah The Barry Seals one Is a terrible one Because the reason Why they found out about it Is because these two kids

Found the coke drop They found the coke And they wound up Murdering these two kids found the uh coke drop they found the coke and they wound up murdering these two kids when they went to retrieve the coke and they put their bodies on the railroad tracks and they told uh the parents that the kids got high and fell asleep on the where the railroad tracks but the parents did an independent autopsy and they found stab wounds in the kids you know it's really fucked up also what would give that away i've seen that when like transients or bums get yeah come in on you know it's always part of our we would have to find like young kids and shit playing hop car and you know doing the gutter rat lifestyle and a thousand

dollar fucking north face parkas and shit he's like what are you doing man you're gonna die right um but like bums would come in on the trains. And this didn't happen on our yard. It was over at the North Guard, this guy. He thought they were done with the movement. You know, you took 5,700-foot steel with fucking 45,000 horsepower on the front of it. Like when it starts moving, it's very sudden and hard. So if you just go to stand up all that thing, all of a sudden when it starts rolling

and then you lose your footing and you fall down the tracks between the cars. But when you get run over by a train, it's not bloody and messy. Especially if it's been on the main line, it's rolling really hard and hot. You put a limb on a track or a body or a corpse, all that weight and friction and heat when it goes over, it just cuts it like butter and carterizes everything. It pinches you off like sausage. So we find pieces. Not a mess, just pieces. Oh, my God.

Unless you hit a fucking cow or something standing in the middle of the track and you're going 70 miles an hour. And then it's just asshole and guts hanging off the front of the train. Does that even slow the train down? No. No. Not at all. A cow doesn't slow the train down. It's less than a bug on your windshield.

Whoa. Yeah. Could you imagine being in the fucking seat, the driver's seat? Yeah, I've done it. You've actually seen a cow? Yeah, I've operated locomotives. I've never hit a cow, but I've definitely driven a train. But what was the biggest thing you hit?

I didn't really hit anything. Nothing? No. Oh. I mean, imagine, though, being in a train. But what was the biggest thing you hit? I didn't really hit anything. Nothing? No. Oh. I mean, imagine, though, being in a scene. We were switching. I only operated one within the yard, so probably like 35, 40 miles an hour tops. But on the main line, when they're really rolling, they're doing like 70, 72 miles an hour.

Like I said, it's a mile and a half long train with four or five locomotives on the front of it all with 30 000 horsepower each so look i mean you're just a bag of fucking blood man you're not even gonna but it just like do they have special fronts that are designed to hit things like that yeah it's a big giant steel plow it's designed to push 10 feet of fucking snow out of the way if it has to whoa yeah so like essentially like those things that semis used for deer on the middle of the night those giant but it's actually a big steel shovel with like an axe wedge in it whoa and it just kind of it just hangs and it sits about six inches off the rail itself and its whole idea is to just splatter everything push anything out of

the way and destroy it. So to keep the train from derailing. Because the only thing holding those things on the rail, the inner flange of a wheel set, there's like a little three-quarter inch lip that kind of hangs over on the inside of the rails. Yeah. So it's all just gravity and downforce keeping that thing going so you could put like a brick technically you could take anything a piece of fucking metal or a car jack and just lay it on that thing when that train hits it at 70 miles an hour it's coming off the rail

and everything behind it is still going 70 miles an hour stacking up behind it and uh i mean you got you don't think about every time you pull up to a crossing in the city and you see a train go by 10 miles an hour and there's like 20 tankers on there full of raw chlorine. You could really fuck some shit up if you knew what you were doing.

Kill a whole city. You derail that train. We'd have to think about that and Homeland Security would come out and we'd have to think about that, and Homeland Security would come out, and we'd have to have courses and shit. But you have so many miles of track. How do you make sure that nobody does anything? There are crews that drive that track on a daily basis and repair things.

Dude, you freak me out. Fuck trains. That's why I quit the job. I watched enough of those things happen right in front of me, and it was my job to clean them up and get a crane out there. I had a fucking cot in my office. I would live at the yard for three or four days until we got everything repaired and back together and rolling.

But, like, you know, two or three times where you'd be sitting out there in the middle of the switching leads, this happened, where I'd be in a pickup truck at night or during the daytime with one of the guys I work with. You know, maybe it's a guy you're tired you're trying to get done early and you got a bunch of empty cars on the back and the dude puts the throttle down before the air goes through the system all the way to the rear of the train so you know you got this dead weight and he thinks oh fuck it i got three locomotives i can

push it it'll be okay until the when they designed the system 100 plus years ago, nothing has changed since then. It's a very primitive, functional air brake system design. You hook all these hoses up from the front to the back. It runs air through, which allows the brakes to release. So then the engineer can control those brakes. Well, if the air doesn't go all the way to the back, the brakes are still on those cars so when all this horsepower pushing rolling metal hits metal that does not want to roll it just buckles up in a tp almost instantaneously goes off and you won't even feel it if you're 30 cars up that you're pushing into the dirt

and it's all just piling on top of itself and like like, it wasn't like two seconds. I watched this train go from being on the track to literally digging out a 10 foot trough of earth and just displacing it. And I think like every day, me or one of my guys is standing right there. I was like, I'm going to go write songs. Dude,

good thinking. Yeah. Yeah, very good thinking. It's a good job But Somewhere someone is on a fucking train Listening to this Right

Freaking out Freaking out They're just about to go to sleep I'll just listen to Sturgill Simpson They should just go write songs brother Yeah Right on Oof

Aren't they trying to do some bullet train Just go write a song, brother. Yeah. Right on. Oof. Aren't they trying to do some bullet train? Is that one of Elon Musk's ideas? Wants to do a train that goes all the way across the country in 30 minutes or something? We've got to get from here to Vegas first, and then maybe one up to Sacramento. Yeah. You think people would use it? You think Americans would use a mass transit train system?

I don't know. They don't use the one we have really much. Well, not down here we don't. Yeah, because it's slow shit. It sucks. We ride them in Europe because it's awesome. You don't ever want to get on a fucking train from D.C. to New York. It would be the worst day of your life.

Really? Yeah, man. I did it once, never again. I did a whole tour on the East Coast by myself by train. Awful experience. Why is it so bad? Self-importance, lack of compassion or understanding of considerations of other space on the part of americans we don't we don't function well in cram spaces okay that's very specific yeah

and then when i was in dc i can't what stays that what station is a big one in dc in dc i can't what stays that what station is a big one in dc union is it union no that's i'm just guessing that's a good name for a station okay the train the train got delayed they announced this delay because of weather there's like a downed power line there's a fucking winter storm there's nothing you do and we travel all the time and as you do so if you travel all the time you don't get the same anxieties about travel that most people that don't travel all the time and as you do so if you travel all the time you don't get the same anxieties about travel that most people that don't travel all the time get you know you i would rather ride a bus for 20 hours than go get on an hour flight in the airport because that anxiety is just fucking palpable man um and you see he's like if you're just like we kind of like you go to this like calm weird place

like when we're out in the bubble on a long tour where everybody's just sort of not talking at the airport or whatever it is. And you're just in your little happy zone. And I'm at this fucking terminal in D.C. And they announced this cancellation. And this place just erupts. And it's like 30 people literally screaming at the Amtrak employees. I saw a pregnant lady get pushed down in front of me. People literally were screaming at the Amtrak employees. Like, it's their fault. I saw a pregnant lady get pushed down in front of me when they finally opened the doors.

And people were trying to get up on the train. Straight up just knocked this pregnant lady down. I was just like, wow. You go to Europe or Japan, everybody rides the tram. In Japan, there'd be more people than you've ever imagined in your tram car, and nobody's touching one another. It's like sardines, yet no one is touching you. They're so considerate for the space and privacy and existence of everyone around them

that you feel somewhat less crowded somehow. Isn't it interesting culturally that they have that whereas china has very very different china they just bump into each other it's so weird and then you know every country has their own way of interacting it's it's so so interesting in japanese when i'm when i've only been to tokyo once but i was, if you told me, if I didn't know about Tokyo at all, and someone said, hey, I'm going to take you to another planet where human beings live, and they're so much like you, but their city is very orderly, and they have beautiful neon signs and great architecture,

and there's millions of them on this one island, but they're super considerate. It's this weird parallel universe. That's what it felt like. It's like if you didn't know about the japanese culture and then you went over there you'd be like what is happening here why is this a real place like what's going on it is about the most foreign or alien experience as a as especially as american like if i was going to tell anybody to go anywhere to feel like a mind fuck that would be the one yeah that's what you told me earlier it's kind of the place too that you can go drinking at night and go in bars and there's people passed out drunk right there on the floor on the street on the street with their cell phone wallet nobody's gonna fuck nobody yeah yeah where does that happen yeah it's such a unique

country when you think about the history and their contributions to the martial arts in particular. Just, I mean, the warrior ethic of the samurai, like that book, Miyamoto Musashi's The Book of Five Rings. That's a great book for your life just to think about excellence in your life and pursuit in your life and how all things balance out all other aspects of your life. Like his idea of being a great samurai you had to also be great at calligraphy you had to be a great artist you had to be able to write poetry you had to be a balanced human being in order to fight correctly you know this fucking guy was like 60 and 0 in one-on-one sword fights and became a pacifist yeah his later life and that book of five rings is fuck man it's an amazing book man we got a musashi quote at the end of the the anime film that's him yeah that's him on my arm

yeah um just that whole the the culture like what their contributions to martial arts like what they've been able to do with design. It's an interesting place. Even their automobiles. They make bulletproof cars that last forever. They were the first people to figure it out. Just make cars that don't break. And go really fast.

Yeah. It's a fascinating culture. So what connection did they have to the anime thing who was making all that animation for you well I had the idea for the record first and we played Fuji Rock in 2017

I have a very good friend a Japanese friend who grew up in Kentucky on an exchange program with my wife. And he later moved back to Tokyo for college, became a radio DJ. His name is Shunsuke Ochiai. And he did the radio thing for a while. Then he got into voice narration for Marvel over there.

He's just a good dude. And we were talking. I went over for a couple weeks before we played Fuji Rock to hang out with him and my buddies and get some time on the ground. And the record was recorded the month before. And I was like, man, it would be really cool to do some animated videos for this album, maybe it's like one or two. And we were sitting around his place watching a lot of old animation

and anime films and the textures and the color and everything. It's just stuff you don't really see anymore and i was just thinking about like some of my favorite cartoons from that especially the older stuff the 70s and 80s that came from that world so he we decided to start taking meetings with producers just to get an idea like what would this cost how long how long will it take is it even possible would they do it and um it was kind of trial and error for a while we finally had a meeting with a guy named uh hiroki who was very understated in the meeting sold himself short you know it's just like a mid-50s guy in a tracksuit but we come to find out a week later he's the fucking man

and like all his buddies are the man too and those guys are also used to working under not necessarily restrictions but if they take a project on it's from a big studio the story's already dictated the parameters are dictated like basically they have to stay within someone else's lane with their vision and so one of the first he asked me this what what kind of animation i was interested in so i named off some of the references of the things that i loved and was looking to sort of get in terms of aesthetic and texture and he just went straight to the guys that made those things because they were drinking buddies with all of them and junpei mizuzaki especially was the one director who i think shun translated all the lyrics for them because I wanted them to know, one,

what the record was about so they could gauge interest. And he just sort of said at dinner one night, he's like, you're talking about the same things that I deal with as an artist. He's like, you know, I feel like this could be me talking. We deal with the same things in terms of dealing with business and commerce versus art.

So he just sort of reacted passionately to the music, and he just said, I want to do the whole record. He's like, this is kind of a dream project for me. And I said, okay. And then Leroy was like, well, how are you going to do the whole record in a year? Because we've already been sitting on this thing for a year and a half now. And they assembled four other directors who were running teams or project teams at the same time simultaneously and breaking the songs up

into chapters so even though there's somewhat of a linear a linear narrative told out of chronological order um and then two little side vignettes which are sort of same universe different world just to give a different perspective on some of those songs because some directors were doing one song, other teams had two, and he was overseeing the entire team. They had them all working simultaneously on it so we could finish on time. So I went over six times in the last year, and I realized about the second trip that those visits were very beneficial

because those guys don't do half-ass you know what i mean and they they definitely pride themselves on their work and they all wanted me to be impressed so every time i would come back they knew i was coming i could tell that was really motivating them to go outside the box and everybody wanted to be the guy that blew my mind the most you know what i mean um and they did every fucking time it was just like some of that stuff I know how they did it and I don't know how they did it

you know where can anybody see the whole thing Netflix oh it's all on Netflix it's on Netflix right now but you put some of it on YouTube

well yeah I didn't want to the label has to have a single because they got you know they got their relationship with Spotify and all that shit so they gotta

which is also frustrating because we make cohesive concept records that are meant to be consumed as a whole right and then like if i'm not going to radio why do i need a single you know what i mean like just put the fucking record out skip the lead up the whole traditional setup because we're not we don't fit that model right just by making records we're antiquated you know um but they put a single out so they put one section of the movie up on youtube which i think will take down now that the whole film's out but uh yeah for people they

they'd be like what is going on here yeah yeah we basically made a you know heavy metal or the wall but with japanese animators i love it i wouldn't compare it to the wall but uh same idea just a visual it's a visual age it's beautiful too the the the animation that they did for it's really it's incredible did you was it weird seeing like their vision connected to to your music no i mean i wrote the initial story the the main byline screenplay, and then told Junpei, like we were trying to do an homage of specifically Yojimbo

and then a couple other famous samurai films like Takeshi Kitano's Zatoichi and a lot of Kurosawa things, like very reoccurring storylines. And we were watching Kurosawa films in the studio making the record on silent in the control room just to kind of keep our mood right like to keep everything kind of dark and ominous and no second guessing so but yeah it's kind of like a futuristic dystopian yojimbo which um which

is also a fistful of dollars where you got one town of people being oppressed by a couple rival factions or gang leaders and sort of using them for their own billing. So in the future now, Junpei and I talked about it. Well, sex, drugs, and weapons, and war are really the main drivers of the economy. So let's just say that those are the only economy. Those are the only things that have value anymore at that point. And he got weird. So I gave him a rough script. And then I said, I want you guys to do what you do.

So feel free to add or take things in any direction you want at any time. So then you get 30 women with their tits out dancing, which was on, that was Junpei's idea. I told him there was a very old famous samurai film called Zatoichi, and at the end of it, this blind swordsman conquers this evil force, and the townspeople celebrate, and there's this very famous scene in the end of it

with this traditional dance, and they're doing this dance, and I said, can we sneak this in as a dance sequence slash homage and anybody that has to be like a film buff geek like me would get it anybody else just be like this is fucking cool so they decided to take the gimps and the sex trafficked slaves so to speak and then just make a big chorus line but then they had a woman a traditional japanese dancer come in and they put her on motion capture and green screen and she did the actual dance from the film and they animated everyone to that wow i was like that's pretty sweet i wouldn't have thought of that but he did what i wanted he just gave me what he wanted to do with it now how long is the whole

thing 40 same length the audio is the album it's 42 minutes wow it's a fucking brilliant idea man it's really cool i just love the idea that you're experimenting with something like that just trying it out but it had to be a long stretch it was that was the hardest part was sitting on it so long and then hyper focusing on mix the record i think three times and mastered it twice and then we had to do a surround sound mix for the movie so i'm pretty fucking burnt out on it i'll be honest i'm ready to go play it live but i don't ever want to hear that shit again um does that contribute to the way you uh get creative with the sound when you're performing live you change up absolutely

yeah yeah do you think you're going to do this in the future again like this kind of animation this or is this a one-off oh no there's already talk of doing i wouldn't do the music again i would certainly i might if they want to run with the story i'd be all about it either prequel or sequel action um but oh wow i wouldn't want to make this sonic signature again i would probably use like traditional japanese musicians and then contemporary production methods and like actually have dialogue and sound effects and make a story you're gonna get into the cartoon business i got three kids that would be fucking awesome.

It looks awesome. I got to watch the whole thing. I got to check it out. It's really fucking weird, man. It's super trippy. Light that big Mike Tyson blunt when you get home at midnight and your kids are asleep and watch that shit. And then think about what a weird motherfucker I am. Now, when you think about doing doing another storyline like that like following that storyline i haven't thought about it haven't thought about it'd be pretty easy though i mean

she rides off with the two robots and there's like an ai monster on left dealt with or you could go back in time to the origins of the the two slick and slim feud with her dad and why they show up to the dojo and kill everybody i don't know there's all kinds of just right making up shit pretty straightforward yeah now when you when you go back to writing new music do you are you constantly working on new music like when no when like when do you decide like when when you have a an album release like when will you decide to try because you've been pretty consistent like every what how many years uh well three high top and metamodern came out like nine months apart from each other sailor's guide was 2016 uh now here we are 2019 so but we recorded that record 2017 no man it's like uh there is a tread water or drown mentality now everybody thinks you have

to be in front of people all the fucking time, or you got to be like blowing air into your brain balloon on Twitter and showing everybody how funny and enlightened you are to be a musician. But like, I think sometimes the best thing you can do is just go the fuck away and process and recharge and like look for holes that aren't being filled. And exercise other interests. You know, this, like I said, these guys,

I don't want to play music with anybody else. The only reason I would need another band is if I made a Bluegrass record. So you just get to hang down and the people you want to be around and love and have a good time with. Like I said, we could make 10 records and it's all going to sound like 10 different bands.

Because all these guys have extremely broad and diverse influences and ability. So I just don't want to be in a box. I don't want anybody to put a lid on it for me. And we love all kinds of music. So it's not really saying we're going to make this kind of record. We just went in and made fucking noise. And this is what happened with those tools it's it's interesting to see this your conscious decision to sort of just check out and recharge

well yeah you got a certain point you just realize you're not in charge and i'm a very controlling personality i like to be i like to feel like i'm in control at least to myself with music i've learned like you can put ideas out there but they decide what they want to be you know i knew i didn't want to put a wanky fucking noodley guitar solo on every single song two or three of those on a record you're pretty good to go especially now and the guitar is kind of dead but bob's an amazing keyboard player and we had this badass old mode model d synthesizer that does the dr dre shit and uh we did it on one song and we just kept going and cracking it out and like putting like a higher and a lower octave and then running it through

amps and blowing it out and getting it really dirty like a big cracked out laser beam and I was just like that's the fucking sound man we got to put that on everything and like cohesively tie the album together so most of the solos are bob making this fucking sweet ass like scent thing over some black sabbath and i never heard that record growing up you know so we made that record wow so when when you're touring with this music now and you're fucking with it and you're switching things up like when will you decide that it's time to write some new shit will you just tour and then stop touring and then well i'm always writing poetry um do you want i anymore i used to sit down with a guitar and like i'm gonna write this song you get like a a part and words and you find meter and phrase i've discovered i'm really just a poet it's easier to write the words

out and craft the meter and phrase to those words musically in the studio um i would say both all the other three records i would probably wrote half of them while you go in to make the record you think you have the songs and you realize that those songs are not supposed to be a part of this record i would go home at night and write songs that fit that record where i would come in with parts like sailor's got i had a lot of parts of music they get pieced together in the studio and these guys probably all thought I was fucking insane for it scared Ferg to death because he he's like I want to hear the songs I was like I got some notes you know but really the music happens you lock yourself in that room with the right people

for a matter of days and you just keep going until it's done and you have ideas in the moment but now i don't even pick a guitar up to write i just write what i want to say what i'm feeling and then these guys you know push and encourage and motivate me to try to do the other thing as well as i'm able so are you writing longhand are you writing on a computer no i write always write it you always write it with your hand? I have notepads and I'll go through and just scribble out sections or pick this can fit with this. This record was very deconstructed, I guess. We did some loops

and we would record riffs in a certain key and then record that same riff in every other key so I could take it and chop it to a loop and make it super precise like a hip-hop album. And then some stuff was just live as fuck. And you're just having fun. We had a lot of fun.

The improvisational part of it sounds terrifying. But awesome. That's what you want. Yeah, I mean, sometimes you get something, if it's a melodic hook or something, the first take, it's usually the one you keep. And you go back and try to make it perfect, and it's cool. And we knew that, having done this before.

So with these sessions, that was the only rule. There was no second-guessing or indecision, hence the samurai films on the wall. Because in a sword fight, you got one fucking move. You know what I mean? And that was the M.O. for these sessions. The first thing doesn't matter if it's the right thing, it's the thing. So when you're doing that and you're recording things, do you pause and go listen to it and play it again?

How do you guys do it? Sometimes. It depends. You know, if it sounds cool, like Bobby said, then you probably just keep it. And if you're like, eh, that didn't really work, try something else. Most of his solos on the record were like first, second take. I mean, Chuck, I don't think I've ever fucking punched a single thing in Chuck's life. Chuck's perfect.

He just kills it. He's the man. But Bob, I've got a bunch of videos somewhere on my computer. I made him record all of his solos with a joint in his mouth. Well, like the intro thing, they were like, we need a thing for this. And I was like, well, I need a doobie. And I smoked it, and I just played that part. I have some of those videos, too, on my phone.

So from that point on, every time he played, he had a joint in his mouth. So he was, like, not just thinking about the music. It was like, you know, anything to just settle. And it worked. It was pretty fun. We were fucking wasted. Just kind of like doing the Arsenio. Who?

Who? Can you get too high and play music? Only if you have to remember parts. I'm still trying. What did you say? You said you want to get so high you don't even know what chord you're playing. I don't even know what song we're playing.

The problem is we get so high when we record that and then we have to remember that live or relearn it. And if you get high live, you can't remember what you played high when you record it. That is an issue. So then do you go back and

listen to recordings and go what yeah what what was that the fuck were we doing i mean we had to i had to go back after before rehearsals this was a really weird thing it's never happened i went from mixing and like processing looking at this film for the past year to now we have to like learn these songs so you're fine you're actually like paying attention to what you did there or played these chords i was like wow fuck did i do that you know just so weird that and we did it so relatively quick quicker than the other stuff that we did shit you know we yeah we had to learn it all over again because we didn't remember doing any of it it was just so creative and quick like that they hadn't heard any of the songs since we recorded them

until I sent them the record three weeks ago. Is it surreal going and listening to all of it after it's all pieced together? A little bit. Yeah. For me it was. It's like riding a bike though, really. Especially not playing in a year.

We know each other. Just jump back on it yeah i'm still catching things in the recordings that i have don't play live i'll hear little bits and things still so wow i got a question when you're when you're in the studio with them are you in producer mode because you've produced other artists or you kind of are they kind of producers with you and you guys are finding it together oh man i couldn't i couldn't tell these guys to do what they do why would i mean i don't want to work with people i want to work with the guys that just do shit that amazes me um but no i'm not like i have a rough structure in my head of what what it sounds like. I guess, I don't know, maybe you guys should answer that question.

Yeah, I mean, you said it, but you have an idea of what you want, but you kind of give us the reins. Yeah, if it sucks, I tell them. You'll tell us. I give them an opportunity to not fuck up. You'll say, like, a Wu-Tang vibe or something. And then, you know. Wu-Tang vibe. So there's definitely, I have the idea of the sound i'm chasing and it's hard to articulate um but with this it was just i realized like maybe by the end of the second day we were

doing something i know i hadn't really heard before or maybe i was hearing like 15 of my favorite records all at the same time i was just like okay this is what this is going to be and it's probably going to destroy my career and that's okay because this is I like it you know it's all that matters no everyone brings such a different element to it you know and uh I'm I'm obsessed with old records and equipment and getting sounds like oh what's this sound it's this piece of gear and this and just like I'm obsessed with it you know it's like we can find those things and put them all together and you know big part of it too to be completely honest was like every other record i've made even the ones that some of these guys have played on it

was much more of like i came in you're the songwriter and like it's session musicians you know and then you go out and you're the commodity you're the singing head you're the songwriter and it's session musicians. And then you go out and you're the commodity. You're the singing head. You're the star. And I think maybe around 2017, there was a big part of me that really rejected all that. The newness of it and the responsibility of it. All I ever wanted to do was play guitar in a band as a kid. And maybe I wanted to feel like a part of something that wasn't all about my fucking head.

Right. And I realized I was finally in the band I'd always wanted to be in since I was 13 in my bedroom. So why wouldn't I make those records? Right. It's funny because think about the first one that we made together. Right. As opposed to the last one. Yeah, Bobby, I actually met bobby before i

met miles bobby played organ on my very first record uh i'd never met him he got called down by the producer and we instantly i was just like okay this guy's cool as shit and then i think like we were hanging out for like a week and we were going out we were both going pretty hard in the paint still back then like we bobby and i would go out drinking and then come home and wake my wife up at four in the morning eat all the ice cream and that was like uh yeah and i think it was one night in particular in nashville i was working at a fucking grocery store he was sleeping in his car you know we're both just like pretending we're not miserable and enjoying each other's company we went out and got real shit face man. And we were walking up to Mumbria

and going to the only place that was still open to get some food at like 3 in the morning. So all these meat market bars are letting out. And we both looked like a couple of degenerate scumbags, probably. And we walked by and there was this group of like four or five obviously Vandy fucking football players. Like just huge dudes, young men and um pretty inebriated and we're walking by and I hear one of them say oh look it's the Strokes he's like I love your

records man you know and I blew it off whatever I'm a grown-ass man and I kept walking and I got about 10 feet I don't know why I could just tell Bobby wasn't with me anymore and I turn around and look back to see this motherfucker standing in the middle of the circle of all of them, like literally eight inches from this guy's face with his hands on his hip, wearing his leather jacket. And Bobby's from Detroit, man. He don't fucking play, you know. And I was like, all right, well, I guess I'm going to jail with Bob tonight. And I turn around and, like, kind of walk back over there.

And about the time I get to the group of dudes one of them was eating a street hot dog and I will never forget this as long as I live Bobby like snatched the hot dog out of his hand and kind of crushed it like a paper wad and bounced it off his forehead

oh Bobby and I was like well now I'm definitely going to jail with Bob tonight you know so Bradley Coopers Oh, Bobby. And I was like, well, now I'm definitely going to jail with Bobby tonight. Bradley Coopers. Yeah, the Bradley Coopers. We called them Bradley Coopers because there's this swarm of dudes that had pink shirts on them. Frat guys.

Bradley Coopers. We're like, we're surrounded by them. And I don't know. It was pretty fascinating to watch them all immediately knew that they were dealing with something that they'd never experienced and they wanted fucking none of it. I was like, I think this is my new best friend. I'm going to be friends with this guy the rest of my life. This hot dog destroying man is not to be fucked with. This David Lee Roth organ playing motherfucker is all right with me. We were just walking, having a drink.

We weren't bothering nobody. They were dicks. Total dicks. Walking, having a drink. We weren't bothering nobody. They were dicks. Total dicks. And then we went back and ate all of his ice cream out of the same container with it.

It was disgusting. And now we sleep on a bus and have our own hotel rooms. The bus thing's got to be a trip, huh? It's a lot like being on a ship. Yeah? It's just like the Navy. You sleep in bunks and you wake up every day and wonder where you are and but no shitting on the bus right can't poop on the bus that's so thousand dollars you know you pay you can poop on other people's buses yeah or on other people's buses you don't poop on our bus right so what do you guys do just tell the guy to pull

over to a rest stop yeah you find a nice nice pilot somewhere in Omaha and shit on the toilet the same 38 truckers have today. It's already warm. It's all glory. It beats being in a van, though, by far. Oh, for sure, right? So you guys listen to music, playing music. What are you doing when you're on the bus? Movies.

Movies. Movies or, you know. Watching Chuck and Buck. Serial. Very few comics travel like that. Bert Kreischer is like one of the rare ones. He travels by bus. Honestly, man.

Put his face on it and shit. I mean, at the end of the day, we are very grateful. I want to touch on that. But like the bus thing, it's a quality of life issue, as you well know. Touring is all about quality of life. There's no way to make it not suck other than the shows themselves. But everything else, that 22 hours a day, it's like just trying to see, one, some kind of circadian rhythm. So you don't get all serotonin weird and shit.

That nightly adrenaline blast is the hardest thing on me. I find after a tour that I have to like figure out what's going on in my brain and not be, you get home from that after six weeks, you can't, I can't get off the couch for a week. It's like this weird, strange fatigue I've never experienced in anything else.

But the bus, we kind of, I'd rather, like I said, I'd rather ride the bus for three days than go to an airport. Amen. Yeah, absolutely. You're in a cocoon.

It's your home. You're on the ground. It's familiar. It's a safe haven. We're all just chilling. Yeah, we hang out. We're all around each other more than we are our families most of the time. And we're in this little motor home.

And if you get off, it's just like fucking Joseph Conrad, man. Don't get off the boat. If you step off the boat, that's when weird shit happens. Right. Right. When you guys go out, how long do you go out for? Like if you do a tour? Well, the first couple of tours, those records were pretty brutal. We played about 300 plus for two or three years straight.

300 nights a year? Yeah. You know, I've got a problem where, like know I'm I've got a problem where like I felt I had to I felt I had to do that because I had a wife and kids on the way

and it was like this is it this is gotta make this fucking happen you know and then it makes you happen and then other people are making you do that now

because it's making so much money they can't afford for you to not be out there doing it and you reach a point of like exhaustion and burnout you're not even aware of because you're still doing what you love every night right but all the other shit catches up and it caught up to

me pretty pretty hard around the second kid um and i just realized like there's a smarter way to do this that will still provide for my family and all these guys which is like less is more and now i'll never tour like that again because there's no need, one. But two, it's just not healthy. You're making a lot of people happy, but like it's not healthy. No, it's not. And that's where a lot of guys get into substance abuse, right? Exactly.

Yeah. James Hadfield just checked himself back into rehab. Yeah, because those guys, at their age, they got fucking more money than God, and they're still out hitting it harder than ever yeah you know um after the live well that actually might get me sued i better not say that yeah no need um yeah it's a that's a tough call man yeah it's a real tough call yeah those guys like uh the great things about comedy is you only have to go out for a weekend you know you're like i sometimes i'll travel somewhere for one night and come home

you know and most of the shit i do is around la it's like the practice stuff just to stay sharp but i have friends that do the long touring and they start to go crazy get a little nutty man i mean if you're single you don't have children yeah but even then even even then it gets a little nutty but even more dangerous if you were single have no kids it'd be real easy just to stay out there forever yes lost in that cycle of like especially if you like coke well if you're partying and drinking you don't realize how tired you are. Right. And then when you do it sober, you're like, holy shit. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. Whew. Yeah. It's the greatest job in the world, like, to be a professional entertainer. But there's definitely some pitfalls to it. Just like everything else, there's a balance. And those guys that run it too hard, they run that engine too hot. Which I think anybody that really cares about it

is gonna be accused of that at some I definitely push things too hard I sing really hard I learned like singing very hard and physical it it's just like it's I don't know it's like you're tired from the outside in and then back out it's a weird feeling man comics always talk about it the same way that when they're on the road too much the words stop meaning anything they're saying these things but they don't have a connection to it anymore they lose their connection to the material and the only way to get around that is to constantly be writing new shit because if you're doing the same shit for too many shows in a row you start to go bonkers yeah is that that's i mean it seems to be correct me if i wrong, but like similar to why you guys are always changing your songs.

You're changing, like, there was a few songs you did last night that I recognized the song, but it was like a totally different beat. Right. A lot of it was different. Well, you can't change the words, but I can change the notes. I can keep it inspiring for me by, like, focusing on the notes that I'm singing or playing. I don't even read music. I don't know what fucking notes I'm singing. I just know, like, he can probably tell you more about that uh theory master um when i was a kid i used to

hate live albums because i felt like they went too fast very few of them actually were alive really yeah they're faking it they're faking it like kiss alive too totally not alive what frampton comes alive that's real no no what are you fucking oh dude don't kiss records definitely studio record with audience really yeah maybe we should look it up that's marketing genius come on man is that true jamie yeah 100 maybe we should look it up are you looking it up i'll say are you guessing are you guessing you know for sure i'm pretty sure the kiss record was a fucking But they sounded different I think so too

The Kiss thing is like They were like They sounded different You can tell by the way it sounds And it sounded Well I'm a moron I don't know anything about music But to me it sounded like

They were Performing the songs Faster Which I always attributed to Them being like Hyped up Because they're in front of An audience

Yeah that's exactly The tempo Is that how That's exactly right The adrenaline Because everyone's going crazy audience. Yeah, that's exactly right. The tempo. Is that how it... That's exactly right. The adrenaline, because everyone's going crazy, and you just... Yeah, that's what I assumed. It's possible. Because I would listen.

They would sound different. On some of those records, it might not even be them playing. You know, instead of the parts. How dare you! They get ghost players, and they have to sign waivers and stuff. Oh, God damn. Like the monkeys. Which, those records are incredible you know because it's all the wrecking crew playing the playing the music those are good

songs they're harry nilsson and neil diamond wrote 90 of that shit really that's why they're great songs you know it's like the beach boys the beach boys exactly and they were all cut out here with the a-Team musicians. The Monkees made some killer records, man. Porpoise song. One of the most psychedelic things I've ever heard. Yeah, they got dismissed because everybody knew they were kind of an artificially created band. Well, they were. Yeah, that they were put on television.

But they were singing it. Yeah. They were actually singing it. Who do you guys think is the best singer of the Monkees? Ooh, Mickey? Man. I don't know. Who's the best?

I don't know. The best singer? I think so. I only know one name. I know Mickey. Mickey Dolenz. Davy Jones. Davy Jones.

That's right. I forgot about Davy Jones. Davy had the cleanest voice, I think, but I don't know if he was my favorite singer. Who are the other monkeys? Mickey Dolenz, Mike Nesmith, and Peter Tork. Mike Nesmith and Peter Tork. Peter Tork was... Mike and Peter were the real musicians.

Mike made the best solo records, I think. Yeah. But I think Mickey's a good singer. Mickey was a good singer. He kind of sings... It's kind of annoying the way he sings some of the R&B stuff on like Head or something, you know. It's annoying? Yeah, it's a little much.

Have you seen Head? I don't remember it, no. Oh, man. You got to watch the movie. It's. What is it? The Monkees movie. The Monkees made a movie?

It's like psychedelic. It's like Brian Auger and like Julie Driscoll. It's called Head? Yeah, all these like guest musicians. Like as in your head? Like feed your head? Like Jefferson Airplane? Like do drugs?

Really? Yeah. It's an insane like psychedelic movie. What in the fuck? Oh my God. The visuals are pretty incredible. I live in an alternate universe. I didn't an alternate universe.

I didn't know this existed. Do you think that's on Netflix? Please check. What is that? Annette Funicelli's in it. Whoa. Powerful Annette Funicelli. Jack Nicholson.

Sonny Liston's in it? The boxer? Yes. Oh, my God. Look at that. Jack fucking Nicholson, man. I forgot about that. Western Desert Saga, horror film, film Musical horror film

Science fiction It's memorable It's memorable Find out the things On Netflix Might have to Recommend that to people We should have a

Fight companion Where we just Watch Head We just Get blitzed It's on YouTube Okay Good

Good to know That's what we'll do We'll have a fight companion Where we watch The Monkey's Head. We'll have a list of movies. Oh, Jack Nicholson wrote the screenplay. Did he really? Yeah.

Wow. Bob Ruffleson. That's crazy. What does it say? 68? 68. 1968. Big box office.

Whoa, it made $16,000. Bro, it made $16,000 in the box office. Somebody got fired for that fucking movie. When did they try to make it? 68? When was it over for the monkeys? It was just like their attempt at... 67, 68 was sort of the peak, right?

I don't know. Probably after that movie, man. When was the TV show? Late 60s. Late 60s. They had to make, they got it canceled so they could make room for Joyce DeWitt. Joyce DeWitt. Three's Company?

Yes. Chuck and I have the official Joyce DeWitt Appreciation Fan Club. If you want to be a member, we can talk about it. I think I'm already in. All right. I have my own chapter. Yeah, but you ain't in these guys' chapters, man. It's different.

How do you guys rock it? Can't say it on air. Five-year-old fetish obsession level, maybe. I don't know. I used to be a Mary Tyler Moore fan. That was my gal. She's no Joyce DeWitt. No?

No. But not Suzanne Somers? No, Chrissy can go home. Reallyissy can go home really why do you think that do you think she's too needy what happens with chrissy that she's just not choice to wit that's just your thing yeah do you feel like she was overlooked sort of like ginger no not ginger marianne sort of like marianne from Gilligan's Island. Was Janet overlooked? It seemed like it. Marianne was definitely overlooked.

Everybody was into Ginger. What a conversation. Marianne looked like a giant pain in the ass. This is Joyce Duet. Oh, look at that one there. That's not her, is it? Everybody gets old. Come on, girl. Is that a mugshot?

Yeah, probably. Cops, D-U-I-O. Sorry, Joyce. But when a mugshot? Yeah, probably. It looks good. Cops, DUI. Yo. Mugshot. Sorry. Sorry, Joyce. But when she was in her prime, what a doll. And she very confident with a short hair. Love, God is creation. Is that what it says on her shirt there?

No. No. Oh. Do you remember when they took Suzanne Somers off the show? Yeah. And she had a call in. She was like calling in. It's like, hey, it's me.

I know I'm still on the show, but I'm on vacation. I miss you guys. Bye. Like that was her being on the show. They'd have a phone call with her. And she wouldn't be interacting with them. Your cousin Cindy took over. Yeah, and then they fired her, right?

It was like contract negotiation. That was the first time you realized, like, even people on TV are never happy. Right. Even if they're on TV, they want more money. Like, whoo! The Regal Beagle. Ooh, I remember that. Remember when they switched the old folks, too?

Yeah, it went from Mr. Roper to Mr. Furley. Yeah, that's right. Mr. Furley was a decent... Don Knotts? You know, that was a good fill-in. Our guy at Dan Tana's last night was basically Mr. Furley. Really? Mr. Furley never broke the wall, though, the way Mr. Roper did.

That was the best part. I mean, he'd get a zinger in and look at the camera. That was the funniest shit ever, man. Mr. Roper had a special sense of humor, and he was also a lovable pervert. Right? Remember? He was really into the girls. Mr. Roper was like, for sure.

That was Don Knotts, right? I don't know. I think it was Mr. Roper. Yeah, that's Mr. Furless. Was it Don Knotts? That's Mr. Furless. Who was the lovable pervert? Was it Don Knotts?

Yeah, Don Knotts. Or was it Mr. Roper? But I thought the other one was kind of a perv, too. No, he was married to Mrs. Roper. Right. He was, though. Wasn't he kind of a perv to the girls? Yeah, Don Knotts. But I thought the other one was kind of a perv, too. No, he was married to Mrs. Roper. He was, though. Wasn't he kind of a perv to the girls? Yeah, yeah. Guys could be way more pervy on TV back then.

Oh, yeah. Oh, man, there you go. Yeah, Don Knotts was a player, remember? Look at that. I met John Ritter. John Ritter was on an episode of News Radio. Super nice guy. Real, real nice guy.

Everybody loved him. Yeah, I'm a big fan. I always, as I got older, I always wondered about that guy. Because I've always been fascinated by people who do a lot of pratfalls. Those guys get really hurt. That pratfall shit, it's like you're playing rugby with yourself. You're throwing yourself into chairs and onto the ground. You're falling down the way somebody falling down falls down.

Yeah, you're falling down and taking the impact on your fucking back. And a lot of those guys get, like, significantly injured. And if you read back on, like, ancient movie stars, like, a lot of them got really badly hurt. It was Buster Keaton. He had the broken neck. We showed this video of him. He did these crazy stunts. And one of the stunts he did, he had this water come down from this thing and hit him in the head.

Who told us about this? Was it Penn? Yeah. Penn Jillette? And he broke his fucking neck from the water hitting him. They didn't anticipate the weight of the water. And the water was so powerful, it slammed him to the ground and broke his fucking neck. And he continued with the scene.

And then later, when he was older, the doctor was examining him. Like, when did you break your neck? He's like, I never did. It's like, the fuck you didn't. Like, bro, you broke your neck. You didn't even know. He was running around with a broken neck. Different humans back then, son.

They made people different. All the cliff booths. Yeah. But him, Jack Tripper, John Ritter, he did a lot of Pratt Falls, man, a lot. I always wondered about guys like that. I'm like, how much pain is that dude in? What's his face, Chevy Chase? I got to think that was a contributor to him being cranky.

Because people always say that Chevy Chase is was a I gotta think That was a contributor To him being cranky Cause always People always say That Chevy Chase is cranky Like there was some Recent thing Where he was yelling At somebody for something That guy's probably

In fucking pain all the time From falling down Like guys with Back injuries From doing a lot of Those pratfalls Like they're always Throwing themselves

Up in the air Legs up Bam Bouncing off the ground It hurts being Clark Griswold Yes That's right All that shit he did up in the air, legs up, bam, bouncing off the ground. It hurts being Clark Griswold. Yes.

That's right. All that shit he did. Right? He was always falling down, right? He was always falling down at SNL. Always getting fucked up, man. Yeah. He fell off the roof.

That's right. He did fall off the roof. He fell out of the attic? He fell out of the attic. I wonder what they did with that. How did they set that up? These stunt guys, you think? It's hard to say, man. I don't know.

I've ventured into this a little bit myself. But no, it's not really. The stunt guys do the crazy shit. But you can still get fucked up. Stunt guys get fucked up a lot. My friend Tate just got a severe concussion from doing some stunt work in a movie. He's having a hard time looking at lights. Yeah.

I fell on my back in some rehearsals for a movie last year. We had to go to New Orleans for like a week and rehearse this scene because it was going to be one 12-minute shot. And Daniel Kaluuya and I had to body slam each other on the pavement about 20 times one day, and I guess I landed on the pad on the curb wrong. And I got home that night, and it felt like my kidneys were on fire.

And then I had to piss every three minutes for the next week. I had some blood tracing. So, of course, the next week is when we went to actually film the fucking thing in Cleveland in the middle of the polar vortex. We're out there in the shoot, and the whole time I'm just like, I feel like I got a bladder infection from just from falling down one time wrong.

And you have to do it again. Oh, we did it like 150 times. Just for this movie. Through the, for one scene in the movie. Yeah. I'll never like question how hard those people work ever again,

man. Did you get an MRI? Did you get, I went to a doctor in new Orleans and she checked it out and said there wasn't like a, there was trace blood, but nothing was. She said, don't be a pussy. Don't be a pussy, essentially, yeah. Pretty much.

I was like, all right, I won't be a pussy. Yeah, that kind of impact's not, that's no bueno. It's a weird way to make a living. it's a weird way to make a living. I mean, you guys probably have every single person that does your job for at least a few years probably has sustained impact and stress injuries. I would imagine. Oh yeah.

Dudes are jacked up all the time. Dudes are jacked up while they're active duty. Like the guys that actually walk in here and are on your show, like they're, they're probably all jacked up and then they're probably the better off ones because they took care of their bodies a lot of people don't do that that's like becoming more of a thing like the tactical athlete but knees i mean my knee was getting janky before the foot blew off how much of that was from

squatting 8 000 pounds all through your 20s though but like i would say that was a preventative measure really like you're maintaining like same like you train all the time like you maintain going through full ranges of motion and take keeping structures loaded and pliable strength training and do conditioning endurance based stuff and maintain mobility that's like you lose mobility you start dying yeah yeah for sure definitely with uh when it comes to uh like anything that's gonna be uh throwing you around or battering you into something the more muscle the more strength you can put into your body the more you can protect yourself but obviously only so much but would you know when you think about wrestlers or anybody who does anything when they're getting slammed to the ground a lot,

they're mostly doing it, if they're doing it as a competitive wrestler, doing it on mats. They're cushioned. If you're doing it on the street and they've got you doing some sort of stunt maneuvers, what kind of pads do they have underneath you? Like a basic martial arts like a big thick bad boy real thick no it's just like those little blue thin ones really that fold up because they want to see your body actually hit the ground correct and then when they actually shot the thing the only thing that we didn't what the act there was

a part where i definitely had to like judo flip his ass off onto a pad and we did all that but then like the stunt guys came out and did that shit for real

onto frozen fucking concrete in negative 20 degrees and I was like oh yeah y'all can have at that you know but they for real

like dude straight up suplexed this motherfucker on the pavement and they had knee pads and elbow pads on and everything. It had to look real. Those are the guys you wonder how long that career lasts.

That's where I can't wait for robots to get really good at body slams. See what they're doing now with the parkour robots and shit? That's what we need, just robots body slamming each other. Or just get it to where cgi doesn't offend me you know right you know like i watched avatar the other night again remember you go back and like look at all those old jackie chan movies knowing what that guy is putting his body through oh my god for sure yeah no doubt about it definitely was slammed into things left and right but if you go back and watch avatar it's fucking first of all it's fucking awesome i mean it's fucking awesome it's really good but the cgi it's so obvious it's not real people so the guy who invented the software that james cameron used

to make avatar did the video for the number four song on this film michael arias still a great pretty uh guy was so fucking genius he couldn't articulate sentences it was like the driest meetings i've ever been in because his brain there was so much shit going on on levels we could never comprehend that he're just like wow. Yeah. But he's making computers and shit. I can't do that.

That was 10 years ago that Avatar came out too which is crazy. I didn't know it was that long ago. Some fucking great scenes in that movie man. People got depression after that movie.

They got a thing they called Avatar depression because they wished that they were living in Avatar. They wished that they were on Pandora. They wished a thing they called Avatar Depression because they wished that they were living in Avatar. They wished that they were on Pandora.

They wished they were the Na'vi. Like living a spiritual life connected to Mother Earth. What would they call her? Iwa. Right?

If they only knew they are. Yeah, man. Yeah, but you know, cell phones and shit. They really want to be flying around on dragons. Fucking turtles, man. Shooting bells and arrows at people but You know cell phones and shit They really want to be Flying around on dragons Fucking turtles man Shooting bells and arrows

At people You know See I need to be on Twitter man I could like But that's a powerful movie Where people actually Got depression From not living in the place

Where the movie was taking place Never seen it Never seen You never seen Avatar I haven't seen it either You've never seen The Goonies either though So that's not really You know How have you never seen The Goonies either, though, so that's not really, you know.

How have you never seen The Goonies? It was born in 1992. Yeah, but how have you not gone back? Avatar, that doesn't make any sense, man. That's 2009. Did you get abused as a child? No. I'm just waiting to go on the road so we can watch The Goonies.

Dude, you've got to watch Avatar, man. It's a three-hour masterpiece. You might tear up a little bit. Yeah. Now I've got something to do on the bus. Dude, it's got to watch Avatar, man. It's a three-hour masterpiece. You might tear up a little bit. Now I've got something to do on the bus. Dude, it's a dope movie. James Cameron can direct the fuck out of a movie. He can do just about anything he wants to do, I think. Yeah, basically.

If he can't do it, he just invents some shit so he can go do it. But I forgot how good that movie was. I haven't seen it in forever. I watched it again. I was like, fuck, this is a good movie. It's fun. People go, oh, it's like an alien version of pocahontas save it save that shit keep it to yourself i enjoy it it's a trippy fucking movie man it's fun but every story is like a version of another story that's always existed just classic archetypes that are unavoidable

doesn't mean it's not an awesome movie, you fucking pain in the ass. Goddamn malcontents out there. There's always somebody. Avatar is fucking terrible. You like that movie? It's terrible. You have no soul. There's nothing inside you.

It's a lot like Roadhouse. Exactly. There's a few. Were you sober when you watched it? Yes. Yes, I was. How dare you? Right on, brother. How dare you for the insinuation?

Well, there's a lot of colors to be like the... It's the perfect movie to get in the fight. You know what you can't be sober for? Showgirls. Showgirls might be the ultimate bad movie. Elizabeth Berkley. Oh, folks. Remember?

Yeah. She played a girl trying to make it as a showgirl in vegas and it's just like cartoonishly ridiculous and they have a scene where they he's she's having sex with kyle what the fuck's his name what's that guy that dude's name jamie look at the guy from twin peaks jamie anyway she has the most preposterous sex scene in the history of film where she starts flopping around they're having sex in a pool and she starts flailing just flailing like you would you would have to be an asshole to keep fucking her like a healthy person be like this girl is having a psychotic break i need to step away stop thinking about my dick and and help her she's my friend and she's fucking she's having

some sort of a psychotic seizure she's fl, like flopping back and forth and flailing. If you were dating a girl like that, you'd be like, oh, my God, dude, she's so annoying. Everything she does, she has to throw her body around and flail. You've never seen that scene? No. You're about to. We've pulled it up on here before, I think. But Sturgill's never seen it.

Oh. I wasn't. Okay. What year is this movie? 95. 95. I was thinking. It's right when I first moved to L.A. I was like,... This is how it is out here, huh?

I've seen it. I tried to block it out. I still remember the billboards on Sunset. I was driving down Sunset. First year living in LA. I was like, look at this shit. What the fuck kind of piece of shit movie is this? Is this what these people are into?

But it's one of those movies where you watch like people forgot how bad it is. It's the cocaine days of films when they were making these movies where obviously someone was on coke. Someone making that movie was on coke. Is there, but do they have the Oh, I have seen that.

Yeah, you see her ta-tas too. Her ta-tas are Yeah. I've absolutely seen this scene before. You've never seen it, Sturgeon? It's awful. No, I've seen it. It's awful?

It's awful. But if you get really, really high, it might be good again. That sex scene's not good. It's a terrible sex scene. No matter how much weed I smoke. But that's what's good about it, is how terrible it is. The other movie you guys have to see on the road? Grizzly Man.

Have you seen that? I've seen that. The documentary? Yeah. Yeah, I've seen that i've seen the documentary yeah yes the greatest unintentional comedy in the history of comedies what could go wrong what was the thing you showed us yesterday bear is that worth or the 80s movie oh bear eats mushrooms when he eats the mushrooms yeah it's the bear i hadn't seen it but maybe have you seen that no there's a movie about a bear with mushrooms. Jamie, look up the scene on YouTube. Yeah, it was 88.

You got to look it up. What is this movie about? It's about a... Yeah, dude. You get Jamie to say, holy shit, you got a big thing that's happened. This is happening. Oh, these are Amanita Mascarias. When I was a kid, this was fucking terrifying. He sees a butterfly or something, and he's tripping balls.

So this is a nature documentary Well it looks like a real bear though So we're not sure They did I don't think that's what the bear is seeing Maybe the bear is taking a nap bro Oh this is hilarious That Amanita muscaria mushroom

Is a weird mushroom That's that one that they think is That's from the John Marco Allegro book The Sacred Mush mushroom in the cross he attributed that to the birth of christianity makes a pretty good outfit though yes it does the santa claus outfit fuck or the pope yeah the pope yeah there's a lot of connections between mushrooms and ancient christianity it's fucking really interesting stuff holy shit shit. What are we watching? This is what the bear is seeing. This is the bear. Bear's tripping balls.

Bear's tripping balls. They glued a butterfly to him. He loves it. Look at that. You know that butterfly is not really there. Oh, it is real. Yeah. Oh, God.

Well, you ever see the jaguar tripping out on ayahuasca? Jaguars eat the either either they eat um work they're either eating the uh harmeen or they're eating the ayahuasca vine one of the one of the two might just be the harmeen but whatever they're eating is having some sort of a psychedelic effect on them and the jaguars eat these leaves and then they're just lying on their and their pupils are dilated and they're tripping balls like obviously tripping balls. Like, to see a jaguar rolling around on the floor in the middle of the jungle after eating leaves, it's very strange. You never seen that?

No. Young Jamie, please. I was trying to find out what that movie The Bear was all about. I just found it. It's from 1988. What is it about? I found the whole movie. I don't know.

It's about the life of a bear. I don't know. It's some kid's movie from France or something huh hmm I mean Alice in Wonderland sit find a Jaguar high on DMT to trip you watch this Jaguar eat these leaves here it goes go full screen young Jamie go full screen, young Jamie. Go full screen. Look at him. He's tripping. So this jaguar, he seeks out these plants, eats them, and then he's just lying there like,

The thing about the people who take that ayahuasca, too, is they see jaguars. It's part of the vision. I wonder if what they're doing is connecting to some jaguars that are out there tripping balls, too. Look at them. Really? Yeah, look at them. Yeah, that's a really common vision that people who take ayahuasca, they see serpents and they see jaguars. Spirit animals, asshole. You ever seen young guns, Miles?

Nope. When they go to the spirit world, it says, how come they ain't killing us? It's like, because we're in a spirit world, asshole. They can't see us. That was Charlie Sheen's brother. Correct. Emilio. Emilio Estevez. He's the only one who kept the family name, right? Yeah. Emilio. Emilio Estevez.

He's the only one who kept the family name, right? Yeah. Their real name was Estevez, but Emilio took a chance. He's like, I'm going to go with this whole Latino angle. My first name's Emilio. Latino angle. Right? Because Charlie Estevez is like, eh.

He'd been compromised by the man. He made his own name. Fucking tiger blood. Yeah, there it is. Fucking. Bunch of handsome bastards. Kiefer Sutherland. He'd been compromised He made his own name Fucking Tiger Blood Yeah there it is Fucking Bunch of handsome bastards Kiefer Sutherland Kiefer Sutherland

Everybody Look at them all Lou Diamond Phillips In the house Who's that other guy In the back I don't know That guy

He had a shitty agent Oh Dermot Mulroney Dermot Dermot Mulroney Yeah he was in a bunch Of those movies But the other guy

Who's the guy The Casey guy Casey Slamasco. Oh, hey, Casey. Shout out to Casey. So let's wrap this bitch up. I think we're way too high to be making any sense to people. Oh, man.

We've gone to every one. I have a question for you, though. Please. Do you know who Butcher Brown is? Oh, yeah. We've got to have this conversation. Who's Butcher Brown? I think his first name is

john he's a doctor that did a bunch of like unlicensed sex change surgeries in like garages hotels he's on murderpedia if uh jamie wants to look at butcher brown wow so he did unlicensed sex change operations and people died from it? Yeah. While eating hot dogs. While eating raw hot dogs, drinking coffee. Raw hot dogs. Yeah. So he's eating hot dogs and cutting off dicks. Nothing weird there.

Everything's... Yeah, keep going, bro. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. He was eating raw hot dogs and cutting off dicks. That's what he does. Ooh! Man. While's what he does. Ooh! Man. While drinking Dr. Pepper. And how many people did he

I think it was almost I mean it was hundreds. There's like a detailed descriptive article. Did it work on anybody? Did everybody die? You gotta read it. Watch head and read that. Oh no. Why did you add all the things to curse me with?

I was thinking about it. But he's known as America's worst doctor. Well, ever? I think ever. Once you read it, you have to look that up to see if that's actually. Crazy glue. And you see the guy's picture and you're like, yep. Let me see his picture, Jamie.

He injects silicone wherever you want it for like $200. Just like caulk? Yeah, plug it up with crazy glue and tell you to lay down flat for two days. Oh, my God. But he's had a lot of business. I'm not sure I found him yet. Did it work on anybody? Imagine if he made one bomb ass.

Like, look at that. Great job. It came out came out great once and he's like i'm just chasing that dragon every time i'm trying to get one time i nailed it it's like a heroin right amount of in this lady's ass cheeks dude it helped it made it look better most of the time it looks like a disaster oh i found him you found him yeah let's see what Butcher Bob looks like I don't like to judge people based on appearances There he is But Jesus Oh my god

Look at the frown on his face He's like a caricature That's a smile I would not assume that guy's friendly Homicide Self-appointed sex change specialist Practicing medicine without a license Oh, he didn't even have a license

God damn it They should make a movie about this guy like brian cranston sentenced to 15 years to life died in prison in 2010. that he has a the funny thing is you read in here that there's another guy that's his competition that's the second worst doctor yeah or debatable but was this guy a real doctor? No, he said self-appointed. I don't know. I thought he had some sort of a military thyroid surgery thing.

Self-appointed sex change specialist carried out hundreds of operations. Don't do that, folks. Renegade doctor. His place was called the what was it called? Like the room of dreams. Born into a strict Mormon family. Brown was a gifted child.

Oh, boy. How many fucking disasters start out with that sentence? Born into a strict Mormon family. Brown was a gifted child. That's the open parts of a novel that goes terribly wrong. He had a miniaturization technique for clitorises. He took the patient's penis and turned it into a clitoris,

apparently guaranteeing his client's full sexual pleasure. He presented his work at the 1973 medical conference where his technique earned him the respect of some of the world's most famous surgeons. Without surgical qualifications, Brown had to perform his operations

in the most unlikely and inappropriate locations. One early patient remembers going to his office assuming he would do a checkup, but awoke from the anesthetic to discover that he had operated in the office. He turned his garage into an operating theater. And the more operations he did, the further his standards slipped

oh no oh my god uh read this next what is yeah despite the concerns of his peers many of brown's patients appeared to be happy that's like if you bought a really small book it would end right there one of his early patients elizabeth had been delighted with her surgery but a year later things started to go wrong her vagina started to tighten and close up that's a hemingway sentence you wanted it tight brown was abandoning his patients and leaving them to other surgeons like dr jack fisher to pick up the pieces he says it's hard to imagine anyone worse than john brown he didn't care much for any evaluating his patients before surgery or

for post-operative care he was totally focused on the technical procedure itself and he didn't do that very well jesus christ man putting some good shit out in the world oh why have you done this to us right there yeah you got to do head, this, and then watch Chuck and Buck. Chuck and Buck? Oh, what are you doing to me, man? What is Chuck and Buck, and why do I not want to look? Oh, no. What the fuck are you doing to me, man?

Do you want to play a game, Joe? No. Hey, Jamie, look up, you want to play a game? What's Chuck and Buck? It's a trailer show. The most awkward fucking film ever made. Wait a minute. More awkward than that.

What was that one with the dude that made The Room? Where they made a movie. What's his face? The fucking handsome fellow. James Franco made a movie about the movie being made. Remember The Room? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you guys know that movie, The Room?

Where he played the... You know what it is? James Franco actually made a whole movie. The movie's so insane, James Franco made a movie about the making of the movie, about how insane it was. A guy was like this dude who was like an actor and things weren't going so well, so he put together enough money to make his own movie, but it was terrible. And in every scene, he was like making out with girls yeah tommy yeah never saw it but bro it's it's hard to watch it's one of those movies that's so

bad like you think you're gonna get schizophrenia from watching it like it's distorting reality in a way that does not it's not compatible with your senses it's confusing you watch scenes in the film that's the that's the movie called The Room. And he bought billboards around town. When I first moved to LA, there was a billboard around town for The Room for like a long time. Where do you get the money?

I don't know. Somewhere terrible. That shit's not cheap. Yeah. I think that movie was. Oh, boy. That movie cost... Are we watching Chuck and Buck?

It's just a trailer in case there's anything worth mentioning. This is the Chuck and Buck trailer? Are we watching Chuck and Buck? It's just a trailer in case there's anything worth mentioning. This is the Chuck and Buck trailer? And what is Chuck and Buck about? I think the scene, what is it? Is there a scene called Let's Play a Game? So what is Chuck doing here? He's messing with some dials, and then he's laying back,

and then this guy's packing up his gear, and he's getting in his car. He's getting out of town, man. What the fuck is this movie about, man? You'll have to find out. What am I going to get get it from watch is that Ashton Kutcher who's that guy that handsome bastard what years this mm that might be Ashton Kutcher bro that is Jack Black's roommate from school around it oh that guy right there so if we can't listen to this I have no fucking idea what's going on. There's no way we can listen to this. No.

So I'm going to have to do this offline. You're going to have to just, like I said, go home, kids are asleep, spoke blunt, watch our anime film, and then right after that, watch Chuck and Buck. Yeah, I'm going to definitely watch your anime film first. Yeah. Chuck and Buck would be a good... I don't know if Chuck and Buck is next.

I think I've got to go with Head next. You might actually want to end on Sound and Fury To end on something positive and cool and good Yeah but I might be wrecked Yeah you might just want to go to sleep The amoeba what's in your bag Joe Rogan Chuck and Buck, Head Dr. Richard Brown

Yeah that's a good description right there An oddly naive man child stalks his childhood best friend And tries to reconnect with their past. Cheers. All right. Gentlemen, thank you for last night. It was fucking awesome. Thanks for being here today.

The album, it's out. Sturgill, tell these people what it is, where to get it. Sound and Fury. I don't know where the fuck you would go buy that. Probably at a record store. iTunes. iTunes. Record store.

Or you can steal it on Spotify and just come to the show your call um open invitation special forces foundation.org get that shit get that shit all right thank you gentlemen it was a lot of fun appreciate it thanks for fun times thank you thank you my pleasure bye everybody Pleasure. Bye, everybody.