The Joe Rogan Experience - #1365 - Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: October 10, 2019

Cameron Hanes is a bowhunting athlete, “training intensively each and every day to become the Ultimate Predator” and he also has a podcast called "Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes."

three two one cameron haynes ladies and gentlemen hey what's up nice shirt buddy that's a ridiculous shirt that's you and me in utah and it says must be nice yeah because yeah the story you know everybody says they look at somebody and they'll be like man must be nice to whatever to be able to have that or get this you be able to go there. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, you know, we obviously have a great elk hunt. I see a couple of comments and it's like people saying

it must be nice, which it is. It's amazing. But. Yeah. So just kind of. I think you read too many comments. That's what I'm saying.

I think you read some comments too. Why do you think I read them? You've only said that. I think you do. You never catch me reading them though do you you've mentioned comments before too i catch them if if they're in the top and i'm you said in a comment the other day and it said i always well that was because my wife sent it to me it was hilarious oh yeah that was after the video of you and i where we're celebrating and

you go i love this man i'm like i love this man. I'm like, I love this man. Yeah. And someone said, I always wondered what it would look like if Cameron Haynes and Joe Rogan had a baby, and we almost found out. Yeah. That was a good one. Every once in a while, you get a gem. Yeah, dude. The internet is filled with funny fucking people, man. Oh, my God. It's hilarious.

There's a lot of frustrated comedians out there. There is. That get to express themselves occasionally in comments yeah i because and like i sometimes answer because i feel like i'm let off the hook a little bit because it's not like i'm making a post calling somebody a dipshit but i can say in a comment and it kind of sneaks through but why do you want to or just be funny you're just you're so busy that's what i don't understand how do you want to? Or just be funny. You're so busy. That's what I don't understand. How do you have the time?

With a full-time job, I mean, it's normal that you run a marathon in a day. So how the fuck do you have the time to be commenting? I don't know. Well, like waiting out here right now on the plane. I don't know. Times of boredom. I guess so. Yeah. It's all good.

It's fun. Hey, man, I know a lot of people that read their comments you know and smart people eric weinstein was making an argument that you probably should read some of them that there's like and you know he's a genius he was saying like you don't want to be cut off completely from from feedback so you have to find that sweet spot between reading some and yeah and i'm like i feel like other people read them i'll get them they'll come to me yeah yeah no the good ones people share with you yeah or yeah but i know some people who go crazy they read their comments and then they become obsessed and they read them all day long

then they go and they have these little twitter wars people back and forth yeah and they they just argue all the time yeah there's sometimes where i mean like i posted a couple times yesterday and i don't think i don't think I read any until maybe this morning. So it's like I don't post and then just like totally check them every second, you know, refresh, refresh. But every now and then there's something nice. Like I saw this dude that we were talking about in the last podcast. I reached out to him.

He lost – how much weight did that guy lose, Jamie? He was like 200. He went from like 417 to 198. So I sent him to him. He lost. How much weight did that guy lose, Jamie? It was like 200. He went from like 417 to 198. So I sent him a DM. I'm like, I'm sending this guy a DM. That's fucking amazing, man. It is. It's amazing.

Congratulations. You do see people because like when you reach, okay, you're going to reach millions of people. There's going to be a few dipshits, but there's also going to be a few like that where it's just like, oh, my God, this is – I mean, how impactful is that? That's like it affects your life because it's so positive. Well, one of the things that you do online that I think is super important is you provide inspiration. We were talking yesterday when I had Dakota Meyer on. We were talking about Goggins and Jocko and you do the same thing it's like you provide something where people they can see you working hard and they see you smiling and and getting

after it and it makes people want to do things and when they know that you're doing these hundred mile races and all this crazy shit that you do they they it gives them like there's just enough of a push to get off the couch and get going. And sometimes that's all someone needs to change their whole life. You need a day, a good day, a good day where you get moving and you get your legs pumping and you get huffing and puffing and you get your heart rate up and you sweat and then afterwards you feel great and you go, okay, tomorrow I'm going to do it again. And the next thing you know, you got 15 days in a row. And the next thing you know, you're down 10 pounds. And the next thing you know you're down 10 pounds that's right the next thing you know you're cutting off on the booze

and you're eating good and now you're you're joining a gym and you're starting to do chin ups and shit and you're getting in shape and you look way better and you feel better that's it you make better choices yeah your life moves smoother it's yeah i mean it's it builds that momentum and it you know the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step and that one step is one day or maybe the first first step on your first run but you know i i see that all the time too because i genuinely enjoy working hard and so i am smiling and and it's like people say okay enough's enough i'm gonna i've been watching you for whatever i'm gonna do it yeah and so it's like i don't know if you beat them into submission finally but whatever the case is whatever for whatever reason people get out there they do and then it starts that journey like

like you said towards uh a different life essentially i joke around about it on stage about accidentally influencing dudes and i apologize to the girlfriends but there is a certain amount of responsibility that you you have to assume when that starts happening when you do have a positive impact on people you realize like hey you know this this show having people like you and jocko and andy stump and all kinds of interesting fascinating people, directly influences people's lives for the better and changes the way they view things for the better. It gives them a positive outlook. And it also gives them the opportunity to hear from people the way people think that maybe they would never get to meet these people in real life. Right.

They would never get to know these people. real life. Right. They would never get to know these people. But they feel like they know you or them or who. That's the one thing I love about Jocko, too, is just the shot of his watch every day. I mean, you know he's up at 430 and he's getting it done. Yeah. No excuses. None. Yeah.

None. And I think that accountability is probably accountability for him but also it's like the people know okay hey this is what we need to expect of ourselves yeah someone a guy said i don't like following jocko because all it does is take pictures of his watch i'm like you're missing the point man that's a new picture yeah it's a new picture every goddamn day of a new day with his fucking watch getting up and getting after it and then afterwards it's a puddle of sweat in the ground yeah and he's doing it every day yeah yeah and that's good for you it's it's like and that was i'd never met him until our our elkan

utah and man people ask hey so how is jocko and'm like, exactly like what you, I mean, how, what he says and how he portrays himself. That's how he is. That's how he is. And he's like, you know, they had that day, they were expecting a long day of, of blood trailing or just covering miles on the mounds. And he's like, he couldn't wait. Yeah. He was looking forward to it. Couldn't wait. He ate three plates of meatloaf. He did. He carved load. I mean, he's like, hey, I'm going to need these. But yeah, big old plates of food. But he said, and I remember this specifically, he said, what sucks is when it doesn't suck. He wants the challenge.

Yeah. If something without a challenge, it's like, what's the point? Yeah, he's turned his mind into this like challenge-seeking missile. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah well that's why i love the fact that he you know at 45 years of age or 46 whatever he is decided to get into bow hunting hardcore and a year in he's taking on this crazy elk hunt i know in utah i mean it's awesome that was amazing it's awesome i love when people are not scared to take on new challenges you know like something that's completely outside their wheelhouse like when he started shooting and he got together with dudley and dudley started

giving him some instruction i got pumped because i knew i'm like this guy's gonna dive into this head first right you know yeah it's that discipline i think guys like you and him it's it's just easy transition because you've had the – and I always say this. Bowhunting has done this for me. It gave me discipline or structure when I didn't have any. And I think jiu-jitsu did that for you too. Or no, it wasn't jiu-jitsu then. Taekwondo started out. Yeah, Taekwondo.

Kickboxing, a lot of different martial arts. But, yeah, so it's different, but it's the same type of discipline for young. I mean, I guess it was young for us, but it's a transition to people who have that mindset. And they know that I'm going to have to punch this time clock every day for a while before I get to a high level. And it's just like a certain type of personality or people, they don't shy away from that. They gravitate towards it. Well, it's also being able to pull it together in the moment, which to me, I've always sought challenges where it requires you to maintain your mental state. Whether it's stand-up comedy or fighting.

And to me, archery might be the ultimate. Bow hunting is the ultimate because in these moments where, like, that bull is going to be in between those two trees for five seconds and you've got to draw back and make that shot, these are crazy moments that you have to have practiced. You have to put in the time. There's no substitution. I don't think people who haven't done it realize how difficult it is.

And then I think people who've done it, they definitely know how hard it is. That is one of the, as you mentioned, one of the hardest things to do. But that's why that video of you in Utah, 67 yards. And it was just like we had been in on bulls, like had opportunity. From the moment, the beginning of the morning. Yeah, it was a rough ass. Real close. It was a rough ass.

Crazy day. But these opportunities were like right there. Oh, you could almost grab them. And they were gone and it didn't happen. And then that one, just enough time, but he's like, you had to do it all. You know, like the clock's ticking. Like it's not, you don't have unlimited time that bowl takes a step yeah it's it's over yep and for you to make that shot so perfect in

crunch time that was such a beautiful thing it's like that's why it elicited the the uh orgy type response well that's also why i said afterwards practice is so important it's always thinking yeah that's what you said you said you said practice something about practice and it's like that's what it goes down so that's the building block yeah and it's just those reps because you can't i guess you could get make a lucky shot but the chances of screwing that up are very high unless you got the reps yeah my thought process when i was making that shot was exactly the thought process that i go through when i'm practicing and that's why and when i executed and i saw that arrow hit exactly where i was aiming beautiful it was i was that's the

first thought that came into my mind practice is so important well and then i was impressed because you actually made notes to yourself oh yeah on your phone so what tell me walk me through your yeah your procedure your process i have uh i even added to it oh you did yeah because there's a certain way i like to grip the uh the um the release that i didn't put in yeah Yeah. So back straight, strong posture, draw back, elbow high, light pressure on the nose, center the peep, level the bubble. Now this is the new one that I added. Connect the fuck you finger to the thumb because this finger has to connect

to the thumb on the release as I pull back. Yeah. Because I use that silverback release. Yeah. I pull back with the index trigger, pick pick a spot pull with the scapula and then the last one be the arrow right you know what taught me that what does that warren so what does that mean remy warren said well remy the whole thing no no no the arrow

like be i'm not hoping yeah that it hits in that spot i'm aiming i'm gonna i'm i'm aiming. I'm concentrating 100% on that arrow going to that spot. Okay, yeah. Rami Warren said that to me one time. He goes, this sounds crazy, but someone gave me this advice, and it's like the best advice anybody ever gave me. He said, be the arrow. Yeah. He goes, I don't know what that means, but I use that.

It might mean different things to different people. Yeah. But to you, it means,'re in you're so in the moment yes you're the arrow i'm a hundred percent foot when that arrow's released i i'm i'm a part of it as it's going towards that l right be the arrow like don't just oh i hope it works like i got that from joel turner as well you know joel turner has that shot iq website and he goes over and he helped me a lot. Because he goes over the difference between a closed loop and an open loop process.

I always forget which one is which. But one of them is automatic. You know, like a ball comes at you, you swing a bat. Like you can't stop in the process. Right. And the other one is you're in control of it every step of the way. And that's where a shot routine helps me. Because I'm making sure that all my things are checked off. in control of it every step of the way and that's where a shot routine helps me because you think i'm thinking i'm making sure that all my things are checked off so there's no there's no chance

i'm doing anything wacky right there's no chance you're spazzing out in the moment yeah and so that those two things and then what remy said be the arrow like that sounds like to someone who's never shot an arrow that doesn't make any sense. But there's a thing that you do when you release an arrow where you're so focused. Your technique is on point. Everything's lined up, but you're so focused as you're releasing that arrow. You never break that focus. The only way I could break it was when I heard the arrow whack, and I saw it hit right in the sweet spot. I was like, now i can relax yeah well

and i remember and i said this at that time but i remember your follow-through it was just like so i remember that arm coming back and it's just i don't know it's you know and i think that's where a lot of people make mistakes is if you're new in it and there's so much pressure in the moment in that moment you've thought about it for so long that it's just like the pin goes on the animal, and they punch the trigger. Yeah. Because they want to be there before they've went through the process. Yeah. And so that's where people screw up.

And that whole thing, you making that an actual process actual process each step but i think i don't know do you do it or is it subconscious you know do you think about all those steps i was thinking about all those steps while i was walking okay like while i'm going through the woods i'm thinking about those but on the shot on the shot it was almost automatic almost automatic yeah subconscious but that's why i said practice is so important because it's like I'd practiced it so many times that I just looked at that elk like it was a target. Yeah. I knew what to do. But it was only because of the reps, reps, reps, reps, reps, reps, reps.

That moment was so crazy because we had that bull. And I don't know if it was that bull, but it was a big bull. But we were stuck over more to the left, and we could see him up there. We had these smaller satellite bulls kind of in the way. We were in the sun, which was driving me crazy. So we ended up having to circle all the way back around and get back up there. Had a line of spruce we could sneak up. But it was, you know, those bull bulls the bull you shot went and fought

with another bull for a brief time and we were switching back and forth which one to shoot because they're both big bulls and it's just like just to be able to slow that down and make such a perfect shot in a moment like that oh my god it's so hard it was so awesome so it's so that yeah it was so amazing but it's so hard. Oh, this is it? Yeah. He just got done fighting with a bull. Nice shot. Oh, my God, dude.

So he runs. You can't see it in this film. He runs up this ridge right here, and boom, he's down right there. I mean, a couple seconds later. But this is everything that you hope for as a bow hunter. Yeah. You know? It was amazing.

I see a lot of people who haven't hunted. They're under the impression that maybe as soon as the arrow hits the animal, how come it didn't go down? Right. You know what I mean? Because they just don't know. So that bull was alive for seconds after that, essentially. He ran up, probably went about 100 yards. He ran until there was no more air.

Both of his lungs were gone. Right, right. He just sprinted. He never knew what happened. He probably thought he got jabbed by another bull or something. Yeah. He had no idea. Because he was just fighting with that other bull.

And they have, take tines to the shoulder and everything he had holes in them all the time he's beat up yeah he's beat up but they you know a lot of times bulls get shot with an arrow and they don't even realize it you know all of a sudden their blood pressure drops because they're because it's hemorrhaging and then they essentially pass out but then they die well the bull that i shot last year in california that's what happened to him. He walked four yards. Yeah. He just walked four yards and tipped over.

Boom. And he dropped right there. I mean, it was the closest to shooting an animal where he died that I've ever seen. Yeah. He just died immediately. I hit him right in the heart. Yeah. And I think people might be more familiar with rifle kills, but even with a rifle, they don't go right down.

familiar with rifle kills and maybe they think that they but even with a rifle they don't go right down and i think it's like a rifle is even can be you know they hear the sound a rifle will kill by shock instead of hemorrhage so it's you know shit's getting blown apart um i think an well-placed arrow is about as beautiful death as an animal is going to get. Yeah. I mean, these aren't animals that are living in a controlled environment where they're going to die of old age. They're going to get torn apart by animals. And in fact, John Dudley, while he was there, was 20 yards away from a mountain lion that was stalking the same bull he was.

Right. Which is crazy. Do you see that lion footage I put up? Yeah. So there's lions all over there. All over there. And chances are it's going to be death by a lion or, and that usually will happen once they get weak because they can't fend off, they get injured. Maybe they're too old to get the feed they need in the winter. And then they're lion food.

And they also get jacked because they're blowing out all their energy while they're in the rut. Yeah. And they don't eat. They're just humping up a storm. And then when it's over, they're just like, oh, Jesus. Yeah. And then the winter comes. Oh, I know.

It's a perfect storm. Right on the heels. Yeah. It's rough. It's a rough life out there. But that's why I say it's like death by a well-placed arrow is, you know, people say, well, people have the impression that these things aren't going to die ever or they're going to live like we live or well

they also don't understand that all the money that's spent on this elk hunt all of it goes to ensure the healthy populations of these animals yeah most of it and most of it goes to wildlife preservation it goes to keeping the the habitat, the numbers strong. And this is what pays for what the, if people love animals, you should love hunters because hunters pay for most of the wildlife conservation in this country. Yeah. You know,

and that message is, of course that's, you know, we've talked about that numerous times, but that message is, is getting out. Yeah. Um,

the, uh, the groomer today that I had, um, she, she was a groomer. My dog Marshall goes to a groomer. Right. Yeah. So similar, but she doesn't hunt, but she wants to hunt because she wants to be, you know, self-sufficient essentially. But she was talking about, she doesn't know, but she knows that doesn't hunting pay for protection of the animals and you know you know explain what you just said and so it's people are figuring it out yeah i mean we're getting the message out so that's good yeah i mean this there's so many different messages that you

hear stats you know about meat consumption and food and like what's bad for the environment what's good for the environment there's there's so many like small little sound bites that people like to rally off yeah and that's uh this is something that's this without a doubt it's the best way you could ever get your meat yeah there's nothing even close it's not even a close second no it's the best way these animals by the time you get into in in the rut, they're already breeding. And the ones we're getting, they're eight, nine years old. They've already had multiple breeding seasons. Yeah, in their prime.

Yeah, their genes are passed on. Yeah. And you're getting an animal that's just out there eating grass and living a wild life. Meat's so good. Oh, it's the best meat ever. I had it last night. It's sensational. It's so good. I's the best meat ever i had it last night it's sensational it's so good i've been eating all week yeah yeah that's why i feel you know i got into hunting i don't know if me was up on the high on the list i was just a young kid just wanted to

hunt wanted to get my buck hey you get your buck that's all i wanted to do is get my buck and then but now the meat is man it's it's as much as the antlers for sure yeah you know just getting that meat hundreds of pounds of meat bringing it home eating it um fuels us for everything we do and it's like to me i mean at our age we're the same age now but not long ago our age was old we were dead yeah i don't i don't feel i feel better than i've ever felt and i'm just like if i was 25 i didn't feel as good as i feel right now and maybe that's wild game me i don't know i guarantee you it has something to do with it i guarantee you and don't how i mean how do you feel? I feel fucking fantastic. 52.

I had a hard run this morning right before my podcast. Yeah. Yeah, man. I think it's the most nutrient dense food that you can ever get. Yeah. I mean, you just look at it. When you look at a, like a backstrap from an elk, it's like a dark red. It looks like it's filled with nutrition. It tastes so good.

Like when you're eating it, I feel like energy. Yeah. You know, like it's hard to describe. It is. But it's just a way better meat. It's just way better. I was watching. I took video of Colton pulling out the tenderloin of your bowl because people don't understand how you can get without gutting it.

You can get the tenderloins out, which are under the spine. spine um and that when he pulls that out it's just like i mean if i mean if a sound bite could have came in or something and just like it's like beautiful it's like there should have been doves flying around because that piece of meat looked so perfect and it's just like like you say when you eat it it's like i don't know it energy injection. Well, they've done studies on game meat versus domestic beef. They've also done studies on domestic beef that's raised on grain versus domestic beef that's raised on grass. Domestic beef that's raised on grain is probably like the least nutritious. And then domestic beef that's raised on grass is far superior, much healthier. But then you go with wild game meat.

Yeah. I mean, it's another 100% more nutritious. It's way more protein. Like the difference between a piece of beef and a piece of – pull up the difference between like one pound of beef versus one pound of elk. I think it's more than double the amount of protein. Really? Yeah. And then there's also insane amounts of amino acids and essential fatty acids. You're getting all the grass fed. This

animal's eating wild grasses. This animal's eating the same diet it would have eaten 4,000 years ago. Yeah. I remember when I used to hunt elk in the Eagle Cap wilderness, I remember I used to think those elk were like high octane, like because they were so fast compared to the bulls I hunted over in Western Oregon. And I always thought that it was just that that feed must be, I don't know, it just seemed like the elk were different and quicker. And so I'm thinking, well, if I'm eating those bulls and those bulls are elite athletes for bulls, it's like this can't – I mean, it's got to be amazing. It's got to be amazing for me. Well, it makes sense because the Eagle Cap Wilderness is like rich, dense forest. Yeah. Right?

It's so green up there. Yeah. They call it the Little Alps. I mean, it's rugged and it's steep, but there is good feed up there too for the animals. Yeah. And it's like, man, those bulls there. They're studs. Amazing.

Yeah, they are. Yeah. It's rough country though. Yeah. It's rough country. Well, I mean, that's where they live. You know, what's interesting is before people came around, elk were like prairie animals. Yeah, they were.

Right. They adapted. They moved to the mountains because of humans. Yeah. And then wolves and all these other animals. But when the pioneers first came here, those elks were just roaming the fields. Yeah.

Which is kind of crazy. Yeah, that is. Yeah. But they wised up. Like, look, we got to make it harder on these assholes. They got into the rocks, for sure, up in the mountains. What do you got, Jamie? I don't know.

Varying information. It's not off a great website. Varying information. Anyway, super good for you. It doesn't say it's bad for you or anything. No. Yeah, well, that's the thing about there's not one standard website

that's good for nutrition and figuring out what this stuff is. Yeah, I know. You can pretty much have anything validated you want validated on the internet. Well, you know, it's interesting. I was listening to Rinella talk recently about this horrendous trip that they had in the backcountry because there were so many hunters during muzzleloader and archery season. This year? Yeah, in Colorado.

Yeah. And I wonder how much us talking about it all the time is affecting the numbers of people that actually go out and try it. Because you just stop and think about the numbers of people listening to this podcast. It's a bananas number. It's millions and millions of people. Well, the feedback I see is like there's you know and they say because i just had this this talk with my buddy wayne indica you know wayne i was out at his place shooting the other day and uh you know it says we've lost since 2016 2 million license hunters and i told him i said i don't know where where we lost him from

but bow hunting has got because he owns the bow rack and bow bow hunting is skyrocketing because i see i mean i see the the following and people talking about it like you mentioned and he said he was in colorado too looking for elk and ran into like 10 different guys back there yeah so yeah there is yeah i don't really i think people are looking at it more as like a pursuit like a difficult pursuit not just hunting no for meat no it's different now yeah it's like it's yeah the it's changed yeah i wonder if that's because of us talking about it it's had to have some sort of an impact i think it's i think it's had an impact for sure and then i'm so i'm trying to think i don't want to you know but then on the other hand so in the eagle cap wilderness my

buddy was back there and said he said you need to come back here and hunt again. And I'm like, yeah, no. The thing with the wilderness is I, as a commercial, if you do a commercial activity, you can't even share the photos because they won't give a permit for it. That's why I had to quit filming back there. They made it illegal to film and release it as a commercial property. Well, even me with my following now, I couldn't even put up a photo from back there because it would be commercial just because you have sponsors yeah and they're they're making it seem like you're back there shooting a full-length feature film you know i mean it's like they don't differentiate between your iphone shooting a movie or an iphone and so so like what we shot it in utah you couldn't have done no wow that's not in the wilderness not in the national

forest yeah um wilderness they won't allow filming permits so um but anyway he said i go i go man i said i've got so many good elk hunts on tap i said i you know he knows i love that country and he goes well he goes just uh for for old time's sake goes, because I'm looking at a 360 and a 340 bull screaming elk everywhere and not a truck at the trailhead. Wow. But it's a long way back. It's rugged country. So I think, I mean, there's still spots. Yeah, there's still spots that are going to be hard to get to, right?

Those are the spots that discourage people where you know that you're going to have to hike in 12 miles. And then you have to get the animal out. So if you're hiking in and you're off horse, you know, it's the places that are off horse pack trails that don't get the attention. Because if you kill a bull, it's coming out on your back. Yeah. That's a bunch of trips. That's a lot of trips. If you're going 12 miles out or even if you have to pack it to where horses can get, it's a lot of work.

Well, Green Tree, when he shot his bull and when he was on that crazy 28-day hunt, didn't it take him like seven days to get his bull out? Something like that, yeah. By himself on his back. Yeah. So he's hiking i think i think somebody went up and helped him but still i mean tons of work but he had snow i think and he was like nine or ten miles in right something like that yeah so he's walking out nine or ten miles with 100 plus pounds yeah on his back each trip it's a lot of work yeah it's amazing i mean you know

how much work it is breaking down a bowl because yeah because we've done it but then you go from there to okay now i gotta walk it out 10 miles and you got to preserve the meat so you gotta hang it make sure it's getting cool and i mean that um my friend ryan callahan shot a bull he uh got a uh a tag in uh new mexico and he wrote a whole article about it because he lost the bull. I read that. Very disheartening. Yeah, it was. Huge bull. Yeah.

That was a nice six point. It was. Yeah, he was. Yeah. I mean, it's real. And I mean, I think it's important to share those honest experiences. And I mean, I think it's important to share those honest experiences. But also it's like, man, you don't want people who don't get it to get the wrong impression.

That's always the. Right, right, right. With a wounded animal in particular, right? Yeah. When you see an animal get. And he even mentioned that in the article. He said he realizes about the nuts. I don't know about the what people might think about bow hunters. Yeah, the stigma attached to it.

The stigma. Yeah, that's it. And he, I mean, I don't know. I think he shoots with a stick bow, too, which is really weird. He shoots with a long bow. Did he? Yeah. He shot that bow with that?

He shot his last bow with a long bow. I think that's what he hunts with. Yeah. I think that's what he hunts with. Yeah. I think. Yeah. You know, I get it. People like doing that. I get it.

But, like, come on, man. It's hard. It's hard. And people ask me about that all the time. Compound bow is hard enough. When are you going to do that? And I'm like, God, I'm not that good with a compound bow. So I'm not really ready to make it harder

well our friend Aaron Snyder he's completely committed to a recurve it's all he shoots with I just saw him the other day like a post yesterday

I think and he had a compound oh did he? yeah maybe he's given up on it no I don't think he's given up goes back and forth

yeah maybe maybe he's just practicing unless it was somebody else's bow I don't know but he is a crazy video of him shooting a mountain goat with a compound. Yeah.

Did you see that? No, no, no, with a recurve. It was a recurve, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. He was on top of a cliff and shot down. I know. That was pretty sweet.

It was pretty sweet, yeah. It was an amazing video. And I think he said he hurt his shoulder. Like before, he didn't know if he was going to be able to shoot it with a bow. Oh, really? Yeah, because he had done something to his shoulder. So I think I read he was going to have to try to do half draw or as far back as he could get, and he ended up hitting it through the heart.

Oh, his shoulder's that fucked up? I guess so. I don't know what happened. That's the one thing that freaks me out about you. How do you not get injured as much as you do? Like, I just don't understand how you don't get injured kind of weirds me out weird you out yeah because as much as you lift weights as much as you run i'm like waiting for you to get injured i'm always getting injured are you rooting for

me to get injured never so you're like never i'm like no i'm like this is crazy i'm stunned i'm like you're made out of something different because you all the running that you do and all the weight lifting you do especially because you do high reps you're doing all these reps reps reps reps reps i'm like no tendonitis nothing like nope everything's fine like what the fuck well part of it is i'm not gonna ever say i'm hurt so i mean i hurt i mean i'm you know i'm not young sore but not injured yeah i don't say i'm injured but i not sore but i mean i remember the one time we had to go to vegas where i was going to get a stem cell shot you had rodney mcgree check out one of your feet yeah your foot was kind of fucked up yeah i mean would you have a stress fracture or something yeah and i i get you know you can't you just can't do that and not get there's going to be some repercussions yeah to

put on all those miles but i just that's just part of the part of the deal so i just work through it just you know i'm never gonna you know i mean even my wife today because it's like haven't been sleeping then i had that whole thing this morning with GQ and then this. And then I, whatever. She's like, well, how are you feeling? I said, I have no choice but to feel 100%. I said, so that's all I'm focusing on. So that's how I do.

I mean, I don't, even if I'm down or don't feel good or haven't got sleep or i'm hobbled i'm only thinking about i'm 100 i don't have to i can't i don't i can't afford to think about oh maybe i shouldn't do this or maybe i'm not going to be as good as i could be just don't even think about it that's ridiculous so i don't accept it don't get one of these whoop straps it'll tell you listen why you need to get some sleep oh yeah it'll tell you you need to bitch. You need to get some sleep. Oh, yeah. It'll tell you. You need to recover. It'll tell you.

I could not sleep last night because I was thinking about that whole thing today. I was thinking, God, what if that goes long and then traffic in LA, then I'm late getting over here. So you've got all these stupid- Well, that's the least thing to worry about. There's no schedule here. I know, but I was still thinking about it. Yeah.

So instead of sleeping- That keeps you up? Really? Yeah, stupid shit like least thing to worry about. This is, there's no schedule here. I'm still thinking about it. Yeah. So instead of sleeping. That keeps you up? Really? Yeah, stupid shit like that. That's stupid. Yeah, that's, but that's first world problems. Oh my God, I have a GQ shoot today. Yeah.

What if it runs late and I can't do the podcast until three? Yeah, I know. Could you imagine? Crazy. I know. See, now you know what real struggle is. The real struggle. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't have any real struggle anymore. My struggles are all fake. God. You have to manufacture them? Yeah, I make my own bullshit. I make my own struggles. Yeah.

Workouts and training and all that shit. Yeah, but like I always say, because like... So I could be a must-be-nice guy. Right. Oh, must-be-nice. Because I'm still punching the time clock nine to five. Yeah, that's what's ridiculous. So I'm like, oh, must be nice to be Joe Rogan.

It is nice. I'll tell you. It's fucking sweet. But what I always like to tell people, because I was arguing with, why I was arguing with somebody on somewhere, but God, where was it? Anyway, it was about the Elkh like you oh yeah yeah i want to see you and joe do a public land elkan joe's gotta earn his way or whatever i'm like i says i'm like trust me joe's earned where he's at i mean what because because you have a different version of earning in this one small aspect of life, hunting.

I said, Joe's earned everything he has. So it's like people who say it must be nice to be you, holy shit. You've been through the fire for years, decades, and you're reaping the rewards. Yeah, but they don't see that. I know. That's irritating. It doesn't bother me. It bothers me. Yeah, but they don't see that. I know. That's irritating. Eh, it doesn't bother me. It bothers me.

I understand what they say. When people say like, oh, public land is harder. It is harder. But here's the problem with that. You're dealing with a pressured animal. I don't want to deal with pressured animals. I know that you deal, I know it's harder. It's harder to have success on public land.

But I don't think it's better. Because dealing with all those people that are going after the same animals. Like Ronella was talking about elk that were silently bugling. Like they're opening up their mouth and they're not bugling because they don't want to get called to. They don't want to get chased down because they're so fucking pressured. And wolves have, the elk don't call around wolves either because the wolves come yeah so like what i've found is because i've done it you know i public i was only on public land for 20 years you know i couldn't afford anything else so i haven't found

that that that killing an elk is any easier or harder it's just they're bigger because they're older yeah so i could still I've always killed bulls, but they're going to be like a three-year-old bull, a five point. Now I'm going to kill a 10-year-old bull. It's still a bull, but it's just different. They just, on public land, there's not as many that are getting to that age class

because every other hunter out there is going to shoot the first bull they see. So that's the difference. It's not, the hunting doesn't seem harder or easier to me or different. It's still killing a bull with an arrow, but it's just that size. When you go to private land, you have more opportunities. There's more animals. But to me, they're acting wild.

They're acting like wild animals because they're not pressured because there's not that many people out there. So it's rare that they encounter people and you know and when you're in a place like we were at which is 270 000 acres in utah they're all just living in the mountains like they've been living in the mountains for thousands of years that's to me it's a pure experience and i know it's not available to everybody and i know you have to pay money to do it and i get that i get that it's not available to the average working man i get it but it's definitely harder to do public land without a doubt but i don't think it's as good the reason why i don't think it's as good is because those animals are acting like animals that are being hunted all the time they're pressured i've been

i've been on public land hunts i get the difference and it's definitely more satisfying when you're successful because it's more difficult and i know how people can take pride in that but i think a lot of the pride they're taking in it they're taking the like because they don't have the option like if you could say to these people that are talking shit like you say hey would you like a free hunt at the deseret in utah they'd be like yeah Of course they would say yes They didn't want to experience what we experienced that day Which was a pure

Wild rut fest A pure wild experience Where these animals just going off I mean we're deep deep deep into the mountains They're by themselves They're all bedded down up there There's a hot cow and they're all going crazy they're fighting each other i mean just the sounds that we were hearing was so epic

that video that you got of us walking and you just hear just all day yeah all day they were going off yeah it was amazing we hit the perfect spot that that spot that day that time yeah that was it and i've i've i've been in rut fest on public land you know i mean they they that's how they act and that's in the wilderness deep where they're not getting so it's like you always i've always looked for places my whole career um hunting career where the animal i'm not i'm not competing against tom dick and har elk. Right. You know, so to me, that was always like, well, the way I can do that is go further than anybody wants to go. Right.

So I'd go to the wilderness to hunt those. So it's essentially that without having to go 12 miles deep. Right, right, right. You know, and it's, those elk are, they're acting natural. And, you know, I've been on the other side though, too. I get what the guys are saying. I get it. When I couldn't hunt, my goal has always been to go on the best elk hunts I could.

Right. Sometimes that was instead of hunting the Oregon coast, that was going to Eastern Oregon. Then I went from Eastern Oregon to Wyoming. I'm like, oh my God, this is so much better than Oregon. It was better. Then I went from Wyoming to Colorado, Colorado. That's right. Eastman's had me going in 2005. I killed a seven by six in Wyoming. Then they said the next year, and that was a public land hunt day nine. And then it's like, hey, 2005, we want to film you on this hunt.

And I'm like, well, if it's better than Wyoming, I'll go to Colorado. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to get a better hunt. And so it's just been that. And so now it's been the places that I go, I spend my month of September. They're the very best places I can find in the United States.

And it's just an extension of that process 30 years of it right that's it that's all anybody's trying to do yeah you don't you don't try to go on worse elk hunts some people do though i don't know some people really love some people just love the grind yeah i mean they also love bragging rights i get the grind but it's still they don't want to go to worse elk hunt though but they I love bragging rights. I get the grind, but it's still – they don't want to go to a worse elk hunt, though. But they want the bragging rights of public land. But they'll definitely take a public land limited entry draw tag if they get it, which is essentially like being on a private land. Yeah. Because nobody can hunt there.

No. And that's what, like, back home, it's the Winnaha unit. They give 20 tags. 20? 20. And it's a huge – For the entire state. Huge area. It's just one area. It is one area. Do out-of-state people

apply for it as well? Yeah. I don't think they get... Oregon's terrible for out-of-state, for non-residents, but I know residents get 20. So huge area, 20 tax. That's not that much different than paying a landowner to to have this area for yourself right so i put in for winneha if i you know if i draw it i'm hunting there um it's it's kind of the same thing i i understand where people are coming from and whenever someone's got something that you can't afford, you get that, must be nice. Must be nice. Yeah. Yeah. I just, the problem that I have with it is that the animals, when they're pressured, they're not acting natural. And you're dealing with too many people.

It definitely gives you better bragging rights, right? If you shoot a giant bull on public land, it's like, wow, that's another level of accomplishment. That's a big deal. That's the real grind. What we're doing is – what I'm doing, first of all, is the easiest way to the road because I've got some of my best friends are the best hunters on earth. I mean, having you as a great friend and Dudley and being able to take instruction from you guys and learning how to bow hunt and just having you that day with me. First of all, what a wake-up call about endurance.

Here I am fucking running hills every goddamn day trying to keep up with you. It's such a fucking bummer, man. It's still – it's so annoying, Jamie. He gets to the top of the hill. He's not even out of breath. I'm soaked with sweat. I'm heaving and hoeing. I'm like, what if I didn't run?

Like, what if I wasn't doing all this goddamn hill running? Well, that one little burst we had because the wind, to get the wind right and that bull coming over. I didn't know if the bull was coming. That was kind of a. It was a hustle. It was a hustle. We had to go straight up out of the creek. Straight up.

Thank God I do that all the time. Yeah, yeah. And I recovered quick. You got up there. Yeah, and you did. And that's bow hunting. To be able to think you're going to make an accurate shot after pushing yourself like that, that's rough. Very rough.

That's what I think people need to understand about the reason why you condition yourself. And I know you've taken a lot of shit from lazy hunters that think it's unnecessary to work out as hard as you do come with us bitch yeah come with us come that day just do what we did that day god damn and as much as i run i was still struggling to keep up yeah it's fucking hard it is and then the whole thing is your whether or not you can recover so even though you're heaving and hoeing, what's the word? What do you say? Heave ho? You're fucking heaving.

Gasping. You're gasping for air at the top. Your heart rate drops down if you're in shape. So even though you've done the sprint, within a minute, everything's dropping back down, and then you're cool again, and then you can make the shot.

The biggest thing I see is not only that, recovery, but making good decisions. Yes. Because it's still hunting. Fatigue. You still have to outwit. So what happens is when people get gassed, they take shortcuts.

They get gassed from going up the hill hard trying to get this. And then they're like, God, do I really have to circle around to keep the wind right? Maybe I can just get away with here. So it's like you take shortcuts and you can't take shortcuts so the the more fatigued you are the more inclined you are to take shortcuts the better shape you are you're going to do it right and you're going to make make good decisions the first bull that we got into in the early morning that bull was that was like 52 yards and i was at full draw and he caught a whiff of us yeah and he was right he was walking right into the path yeah right into the path he would have been broadside i mean that would have

been 17 yards closer than the bull i shot or close to it yeah and he just fuck this he was gone yeah that wind will get you their sense of smell and their their their understanding of their environment is so humbling yeah it's so amazing to watch them like peek their head up and catch your wind for a second and just start running oh i know and you see i thought i don't know you see them and they'll like kind of they'll they'll put their nose up and they'll be like, wait a second. Yeah, yeah. I smell cologne. Yeah, cologne. I don't know about cologne. I smell some old spice.

Yeah, I did want to say one thing about the whole must be nice type thing is I don't – a big pet peeve of mine is not so much the public and private and all that. But it's just like hunters are small group anyway why the hell are we trying to rip each other apart judge cannibalize the small group which we're fighting for our space in this world anyway right come on i mean like when i said you know i was defending at one time you and jocko I think maybe it was on Andy's page, but whatever. Must be nice. Yeah. And it's like, guys, they're fucking out hunting, celebrating our lifestyle. I mean, because they'll be like, well, I don't have a problem with you because you've been doing it for 30 years.

I'm like, who cares? They're hunters. They're talking about it. They're doing it. This is a win. A win. What are we doing? I mean, because they haven't been out there

for 30 years and couldn't afford an elk tag it's they shouldn't do it that i mean come on yes people get short-sighted and selfish yeah that's it that's but that's in comedy that's in everything man that's in everything there's always going to be people that think that way but comedy is not something that that the public can vote out. The public can vote out hunting. Right. So we start cannibalizing ourselves. That's true.

I mean, you know, we can, I'm not going to say we got some momentum going now, but we could lose it. Yeah, it's possible. There's enough people that are ignorant to what hunting really is. Yeah. And enough people that actually eat meat that are ignorant to what hunting really is yeah and enough people that actually eat meat that are ignorant to what hunting exactly i mean it's like 96 percent of people already meet but i think if we explain what how hunting works and and and but we have to have all hunters on that same page supporting each other my wife was at dinner with with some friends and one of her friend's husbands was asking what I do.

And she said, well, he's actually on an elk hunt right now. And the guy was eating a steak. And he goes, well, that's abhorrent. He's eating a steak. Yeah. And she's laughing at him. She goes, you're eating a steak. Yeah.

Do you understand that you're eating a steak? It's crazy. And he's from England. The disconnect. Over there, they don't hunt. So they get super confused over there. No. Was it Ricky with your face?

It's not. But Ricky has no problem with people hunting for food. He has a problem with trophy hunting. Yeah, I know. But I think he also has a distorted understanding of what that is, too. But people also lump it all in together. Yes, they do. Especially over in Europe.

I mean, in England or wherever. But it's just like, so that's what I say. Let's just, first of all, let's all hunters be on the same team. We certainly should be, yes. And then get that message out correctly. That's all I've tried to do. Well, one of the things that I try to do as much as possible is put those images of my cooking. Yeah.

You know, like, look, look at that fucking wild, dark meat that I'm cooking and I'm eating all the time, all the goddamn time. Well, and what I also try to do, too, and I put one up today, and I think you could even speak to this because we shared that emotion with your bull, but there is, you know, I've said it before and maybe some hunters think I'm full of shit or, or I don't know. I don't know. Over-emphasizing, but the feeling of, I'm not happy when I kill. I mean, the killing of the animal is not like fun. So I know an animal's dying. I've worked very hard to make that shot like you made the shot. But then when we got to the animal and there was some, he was done.

But it takes a while for the life to get all the way. He was still moving a little bit. And I shot him a second time while he was i mean he was dead he was but he was gasping for air and the correct thing to do is to give him another shot but that moment was heavy yeah it's heavy it's heavy it's heavy and you know at the end we all took our hats off and we we like, we praised him. And we said like a little prayer. When all the hunters got together, we all said, you know, thank you. Thank you to the elk.

We all took our hats off and bowed our heads. And the guides took some of the grasses that these elk eat. And they've been doing this as a tradition. They rolled it up into like a bundle like a meal and they placed it on the remnants of the carcass so like uh the bull's last meal yeah like thank you a sign of that and yeah but even before that when we just approached your bull it was i mean it it was intense and real and it wasn't happy. It's not happy.

But it's happy when you make the shot. It is. But people don't understand that that's because it's a relief. Because there's so much tension and it's so difficult. It's so hard to do that. To make that. We talked about what it takes to make that shot. I would like people to experience that.

Because it's so hard to put into words to be into that moment and to be that person that draws that bow back and makes that shot yeah it's so hard to put that into words i don't even think the video does it justice it's so hard for a person on the outside to get it i know you'll you do have to be there, and you have to watch an animal die. And it's, I don't know. I mean, it's a heavy moment. But so when I put up that, like, me with my bowl and my hand on it, that's not contrived. That's real. That's real. I feel real emotion, and I respect and honor and love the journey of that hunt.

And the fact I took the animal's life is part of it, but that doesn't, it's not lost on the fact that I know I took it and it means it's, that's a big deal. Yeah. I mean, we did that to that elk as he was passing too. Same thing. And I think about it every time I eat it. Yeah. big deal yeah yeah i mean we did that to the that elk as he was passing too same thing um and i think about it every time i eat it yeah you know and that's i think that's the special bond hunters have with their food their meat i mean specifically yes that that the guy who is aberrant yeah it's like what are you talking about? Well, he's a fool.

I mean, he's literally carving into a steak while he's saying that. Right, so hunters have that connection. And I saw this video today. This is what drives me crazy, and I don't want to go back, rehash everything we've ever talked about. But I saw this video today who had it up um anyway these vegans were set up in front of this i guess we get hamburgers oh that big guy the big guy through the line yeah yeah so when do hunters ever like get confrontational and violent with people who don't want to eat meat right when does that happen well they think somehow or another by blocking this burger stand that they're changing the world they're just trying to be activists you know they're trying to get a message out

and most of them will quit they're going to quit veganism and they're going to start eating meat again because their health yes that's the truth it's some ridiculous number google this what number i think they said the number of uh vegans and vegetarians that eat meat when they're drunk is something outrageous. It's like close to 90%. Yeah. But how many vegans wind up quitting and eating meat? I wonder if they've ever done a study on that. This is like a big thing because there's been a movement, sort of a movement, and people have different success rates with being a vegan.

But Cam Newton, who is a quarterback of the Carolina Panthers, big dude, 6'6", 250, 260. He went vegan and he cannot get healthy. He cannot. He's been injured. been injured he's i mean the face of the franchise probably 100 million dollar contract um i mean made it to the super bowl but since just been on a decline and it's like almost hand in hand with this change into vegan well you know that guy dr sean baker he's the advocate of that carnivore diet he marks all these these people that were originally in that Game Changers documentary that James Cameron put out. A shit ton of them quit before the movie came out and they had to pull them out of the movie because they were vegan and because of health reasons they had to quit.

It's an indoctrination movie. And it's also extremely biased and it's not focusing on all of the various problems that people have it's only focused on the positive aspects of it and distorting the reality of those positive messages particularly like the strong man who's on a fuckload of steroids yeah they forget that they forget that part and and then all these other athletes like these these you're not talking even the strong man he's not like an elite strong man you're not talking about something like when i had robert oberst in here right he's like everybody eats the same, he's not like an elite strong man. He's not talking about some, like when I had Robert Oberst in here, he's like, everybody eats the same shit. He's like meat and rice.

Like they eat meat. All those strong men eat the same thing. The real strong men, the ones who actually win the competitions. What do you got, Jamie? It's very controversial research that came out, but it's a very repeated number of 84% of vegans and vegetarians end up going back to eating meat at some level. Right before they die. Folks, we're omnivores. We're omnivores.

We exist better. We are more healthy on an animal and vegetable diet. Yeah. And if you don't want to kill animals, please eat eggs, eat oysters, eat shrimp and lobsters they're fucking heartless soulless little monsters that live at the bottom of the ocean right but if you want to be healthy just eating only vegetables is a fucking hard road yeah it's a hard road and this idea that you're going to save the world listen large scale at large scale agriculture is fucking terrible for the environment it's terrible you want to like they all of our

agricultural when they talk about greenhouse gases we talked about this the other day nine percent of all of all greenhouse gases is because of agriculture less than half of that is because of meat less than half of that is because of beef elk yeah how much is that oh it's fucking zero you you have way if you just eat elk you have way less impact on the greenhouse gases than you do if you're a vegetarian and that's a fact right if you're eating grain not only that you're eating grain man you're responsible for a fuckload of death whether you like it or not for sure those monstrous combines. Those indiscriminate. Deer fawns. Yeah. Mice. Forget about insects.

Birds. Yeah. And then the pesticides, displacement of wildlife. You're not supposed to have enormous fields filled with fucking corn. Right. And grain, wheat, and all that shit. That's not normal. Yeah.

That's not healthy. There's definitely animals dying from that. But for us to live animals are going to die yeah no matter how you want to look at it at some point whether it was to build your house or build the road you use to get to work or if or the fields that you eat your your salad and corn and and wheat from animals dying for us to live that's just that's just how it works you cannot live on this earth and not have animals die because of that and i like that these people that are vegans are doing this and they think this way because they care because they don't want suffering they want

these animals to live i look i don't want factory farming i think it's terrible it doesn't none of that appeals to me at all when i see chickens stuffed into cages like that i don't want to have anything to do with that i don't want to i want to boycott every step of the way when i see pigs stuffed into those cages next to each other shitting on the floor i don't want to have any part of that i want to boycott all of that with same thing with beef same thing with anything that's factory farm yeah but that's not what we're doing no no and i there are some good cattle ranchers that have good operations that's not the we're doing. No, no. And there are some good cattle ranchers that have good operations. Yes, sure.

That's not the factory farm. They're doing it right. And it's like more people are more in tune with that. Like one of my sons works at a meat shop at a grocery store. And he said people ask all the time, where's this meat from? How was it raised? So people are getting. And it's like supporting ethical cattle ranching.

I'm all for that. Me too. That's awesome. That's one of the great things about one of my sponsors is ButcherBox. And ButcherBox has a total commitment to humanely raised animals, 100% grass fed, grass finished beef, no antibiotics, no hormones ever. So they have these relationships with cattle ranchers and they they use sustainable ranching and sustainable farming so when you're buying meat from a good source like that you're cutting out all the stuff that i hate about about farming about factory farming me too

yeah they're a good outfit one thing i do i did also see is, because I killed three bulls this year, and it's weird because people say, well, there's no way you can eat all that. So I said, well, how good are you at math? So I go through. I got five people in my family. Average person eats 220 pounds of meat a year. My family eats more than that, but just say for that. So that's 1,100 pounds of meat a year my family eats more than that but just say for that so that's 1100 pounds of meat as we know say a big bull elk might you might get 300 pounds so if i kill three that's 900 pounds of meat that's still less than i'm gonna eat so it's

like people would be like it'd be better if you killed maybe just one bull and if you bought the the rest then i wouldn't have a problem with it it doesn't that seems weird it doesn't make any sense they also don't understand you have freezers you keep everything i also share it with friends yeah i mean every time i kill a bull i have a ton of friends that are lined up there's nothing i love more than giving away meat it's like i always said as a hunter we are providers that's how it's always been yeah so there's a certain sense of satisfaction and and i don't know if it's honoring the animal i don't know what it feels like but it feels like to me it feels right yeah to give me and to have somebody say man that elk you gave me that was the best meat i've ever had i just bought a ton of freezer bags so i can

give away to friends you know. I get elk sausage made. And in Utah, the butcher that handles the meat out there makes great jerky. So I get a bunch of jerky made out and hand that out to people. It's awesome. I love it. It makes me happy. Me too. When I get text messages from people, dude, we made elk meatballs and look at the roast

I made. My friend Tom Papa, he makes bread and he makes his own handmade sourdough bread. It's amazing. It's delicious. And he brings bread. I give him meat. Perfect. Yeah, we share pictures and shit.

It makes me really happy when one of my friends sends me a meal, and I know that they're eating an animal that I harvested myself. Oh, man. It's awesome. Yeah, it's amazing. And it's high octane. It almost shouldn't. It might screw up your sober October because it's so powerful.

Well, you know, Ian Edwards is going to eat elk. Is he? Yes. He needs to. Ian, who's been a vegan forever. He's falling asleep. He falls asleep. If you just look at him funny, he falls asleep.

But he said that he'll eat A piece of my elk Because I killed it myself Yeah So we're trying to figure out a time We can come over to the house I want to cook it perfectly Oh yeah I want to have it all set up

It's going to be so good I'm going to rock his world I'm going to film it too Yeah Because it'll be the first meat He's eaten But you said that you did that With your pastor

Yeah But you have to make sure You don't give him too much though Right Right Yeah he came over He'd been a vegan for about 13 years and yeah he i mean ate i don't know how he felt the next day but it's like giving if you gave your dog too i mean you can't mix up the food like have

it uh i don't know uh it can be too rich yeah basically because people aren't used to that that much richness in their meat so right especially the guys just eating carrots yeah it's gonna be like the the polar opposite yeah i want to put in um a kitchen here i want to figure out how to put a kitchen in here and then cook for people yeah you know i mean i think uh like have something where i have a traeger set up with some sort of a a pipe that goes through the roof. Yeah. Smoke and go through the roof. Perfect.

Fuck. Yeah, I would. I would love to do that and have like a stovetop where I could sear sear steaks. Just like so good people cook for people. Just let them know. This is what it's like. Yeah, they'll be they'll be going down shooting a bow before. Yeah, it's a long road though.

What's interesting? It's like the road from, you know, you coming over my house or you coming into the studio the first time. Yeah. Many, many years ago. Yeah. And getting me that Hoyt. Yeah. And then showing me how to shoot and then, you know, taking me bear hunting and taking me elk hunting and all these, you know, reps and years and years and years of practice. That leads to like two weeks ago.

Yeah. That's what's crazy about it. Yeah. And you had a shortened journey. Oh, yeah. Way shortened. Because you had, like you said, you had so many encounters. Like you had almost a lifetime of encounters in one hunt.

Well, and also particularly Lanai. Yeah, yeah. I think Lanai helps you a lot. It does. It does. Because you're shooting at these little ninjas. They're fast as shit. They're so delicious.

And they must know it. They're so fast. And they're so pressured. They're the most pressured animals on earth. And you get so many stalks and so many hunts in when you're there. I mean, those hunts that we do every year in lanai, to me, I feel like that's my training camp. Yeah, for sure tightens up for sure it's still i mean tell me what you thought about like when you're elk hunting

um because they're still like when do you move fast when do you slow down what you can get away with right that's still lanai helps that but it's almost like I've noticed each species is different as far as what you can get away with. And elk are, they're noisy, so you can make a little bit of noise. They're big animals. They're herd animals. So it's almost like each species has its own specialty. Yeah. Lanai, you can't get away with shit.

No. You can't get away with shit. Most of what me and Dudley did before I shot my deer this year is crawl. Yeah. It took forever to get to where we were going. Right. It took like an hour and a half of just crawling. Yeah.

Just slowly crawling, creeping and crawling. Because those animals evolved around tigers. Yeah. So they're all just like completely wild. And then you add on top of that the fact they're incredibly pressured because they have to hunt them. They think there's close to 30,000 of of them on that island which is just bananas so they've got people it's great for the people that live there because they get fresh delicious organic wild meat all the time i mean everybody on that island is eating axis deer left and right i mean it must be some of

that fucking healthiest people on earth even the four seasons serves it yes those burgers man those axis deer burgers are sensational those do we have those sliders oh so good god but where else on earth can you hunt in this incredible tropical paradise and then stay at the four seasons and run a mountain yeah and run the mountain right well you you ran more than you bargained right yeah that was that was far i mean i asked the guys there, I said, hey, how far is it if I go from here to here? And they're like, oh, seven miles. No, it was like 15.

It was a grind. And humid, oh my God. Well, luckily you're accustomed to that. Yeah, yeah, no, it was good. Well, I was talking to a friend of mine, and I was saying, well, you know, Cam, when he first started running, he had a hard time running a mile. And they were like, what?

Yeah. Like, yeah, that's how it works. Yeah. It was, yeah. You know, and I was, when I first started, I mean, I was okay in high school, you know, because I did all the sports. And we'd do maybe a 10K during the summer. But then after high school, then I was just like, I thought it was really cool. I could buy beer.

So I was like 21. I'd swing by Riverview Market on the way home and buy a six-pack of Tall Boys. And I thought that was cool. I could pounce on Coors Light. And I'm like, oh, I'm a stud now. And then I started to get fat. And I'm like, I, I'm a stud now. And then I started to get fat. And I'm like, I didn't, nobody cared. It was like, I didn't have, I wasn't living up to any expectation.

I was actually living down to expectations. And so I went through a phase there where I was just like not healthy. I was still hunting, but no real sense of, I don't know. I didn't have, I wasn't accountable for anything or to anybody didn't have any high expectations. So I'm like, whatever. And I remember I, I signed up for the Butte to Butte 10K and I got there to fifth street public market, just about five miles. I had another mile left, and I quit. And I'm just like, this sucks. And so that was, I think from there, I'm like, nobody feels good. You don't feel good when you're in that place.

So it was a slow grind, but I got to where I just kept doing more and more and more. And then I did my first marathon like in 2002. When you quit the next day, how shitty did you feel? I felt shitty all the time. So it wasn't like – I mean it wasn't – I was living with four guys and we'd just drink beer all the time. four guys and we'd just drink beer all the time. And, you know, I remember this one guy got DUI,

like two DUIs in three weeks. I think both in my truck, at least I wasn't driving. I would never drive, you know, I mean, I never, never got caught,

but it was just like, just stupid. So it was just like another disappointment. It wasn't, didn't stand out. It was just, there was no success. No, no, it was just like another disappointment it wasn't didn't stand out because it was just there was no success no no it was just i don't know i didn't have anything going it's like that's where my life was so it's just like what changed i don't know well something must have changed because now you're running 240 miles you're probably the

most successful bow hunter on the planet earth i mean that's that's a giant i mean you have 800,000 instagram followers something fucking changed like what changed how did it go from you being this guy who quit after five miles and you're drinking beer all the time and you're hanging out with a bunch of ne'er-do-wells yeah and then all of a sudden you are an inspiration to millions of people like how does what's the shift um i think having kids you know so um got married and then tanner was born in 93 and then it's like man it's not cool being a loser dad no i mean that's not that that it's it's one thing being a loser being a loser dad because now i'm affecting other people's lives and so i'm like i thought i gotta i gotta be an example you You know, I gotta, I want my kids, every parent wants their

kids to, to have more than they had and had a better life than they had. And so, you know, my dad wasn't around and, uh, you know, I always remember wanting him around and just, you know, wanting to see him. So I'm like, maybe that. And then it was, I think I wanted my kids, I wanted to challenge them. So I remember my first marathon, I also made Tanner, he was seven. And yes, it was 2002, I think. Or he would have been, no, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, he was young.

I think he just turned eight, actually. And I made him do the half marathon. So I ran the marathon. Anyway, he was young. I think he just turned eight actually. And I made him do the half marathon. So I ran the marathon. He did the half marathon. At eight? At eight. Jesus. He did good. Got like 202, which is a good half marathon, especially for an eight-year-old. So then I started introducing my kids to these challenges because I'm like, I remember my life growing up and it,

it wasn't comfortable, but not, not a positive way. And I'm like, well, I think these kids, if they don't have challenges introduced, they're going to be soft. They're going to have it too easy. So I would, you know, that's why they've, they've run marathons and they've done these things is because that's kind of how they grew up so i think it was kind of a combination of being a parent um wanting my kids to to have a successful path and then just saying i didn't want to be a loser dad so just kind of evolved from there didn't truett run 100 miles with you ran what did he get to 80 85 90 90. jesus christ yeah His knee blew up? No, no. His will broke. Yeah.

I thought he had a knee issue. Probably. I mean, but yeah. A little bit. I mean, all sorts of shit happens. I mean, you hurt. But no, he, God, it was like, that was just this past summer. And, you know, because running 100 miles in 24 hours is – that's something. I mean, I could never do that at – he's 22, I think.

There's no way I could have done that then. I mean, it takes mental – you usually don't have that mental strength until you're older. You've been through life and you've been beat down and disappointed and had your heart broken. That's when you get like, hey, this pain is just temporary. This is for one day. I can get through anything for a day. Well, when you're 22, it's this pain is just temporary. This is for one day. I can get through anything for a day. Well, when you're 22, it's like – No point of reference.

No, it's been gravy the whole time. But to run 100 miles in 24 hours is – you can tell that to anybody and be like, god dang, congratulations. Right. So he wanted to do that. That was his goal. So I said, all right. I go, if you get to 60 miles in 12 hours, you can grind out 40 in the second 12. And I said, that would be good. So he got to 60 miles

in 12 hours on, on pace. Everything was good. And it's just too painful. He's like, I think he got 31 miles, maybe, or almost 31. I think it was 90 point something just you know he ended up take trying to take a couple naps was in the truck for a while and i remember i'd be like so what are we doing i'd go by the truck because i never stopped right and uh so it's a course it's a it's a loop 1.1 mile loop. It's a 1.1 mile loop. Oh, my God. So you're doing it 100 times. Right.

You do it for 24 hours. And so I'd come by and I'd be like, I'd give him a little bit, a little while to chill out. But then I'd be like, what are we doing here? And for whatever reason, he got 90, which is still 90 miles is a long ass way. That's a long ass way. On your feet. That's like San Diego. But it's not 100.

It's not Mexico. No. I'm like, so we joke around too because I am, you know, I'm supportive, but also, I mean, I am how I am. So I'm like, I go, God, you couldn't have got 10 more miles, 10 more miles. And you would have been in the a hundred mile club. Cause he, he, I got this little wood chip. It's like the, it's like the smallest little token you could get. It's not even like Goggins coin right here, but it's half the size. It's a wood chip. And it says,

uh, 100 miles. I'm like, Hey, do you have a chip like that oh no no no no you only got 90 they don't make 90 mile chips and so like we said it's like god the the worst part about that is to get those last 10 you got to get the first 90 and that hurts right so i think he's gonna his big goal was to get 100 miles in 24 hours 24 hours which he didn't get and then also qualify for boston which he did so i think we're gonna um what do you have to do to qualify for boston um for his age age group he had to run under three hours in a marathon so he ran the eugene marathon in 257 wow so he qualified that's amazing yeah that's a good that's fast yeah jamie's shaking his head yes yeah he ran that would have been

that's like 644 that's fast miles for 26 that's fucking fast yeah so the world record they're trying to get under two right under two yeah and they're using like special shoes and shit and those guys are amazing yeah they're so i bought these souls these uh insoles they're supposed to be like springy insoles you know those things i don't think they do a goddamn thing i really don't i tried them and i took them out and i'm like these fucking things they're just hard yeah they're just hard. Yeah. They're just hard. Are they supposed to do anything? Springy insoles? I don't think so.

At the end of the day, you have to run. You got to grind it out. You just got to keep going. You got to grind it out. Especially when you're going up hills. I don't think they do a goddamn thing because you're on your toes the whole way anyway. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

What I found is nothing really helps. Nothing. I mean, running is just running. I mean, the better shape you're in, probably the more enjoyable it is. The more, if you can, I usually 99% of the time I'm by myself. So it's like, I heard you talking with Red about yoga, and it's sort of like that. It's a meditation. It's like you're out, and it's just like I feel good.

I feel healthy. I feel centered. If I can run with somebody like Courtney, then that's just like Christmas. You're also running out there. When you run Mount Pixa, you're running running out there when you run mount pixar you're you're running up there and that clean air and beautiful view it's like you're getting it just a it's healthy all the way around dose of nature yeah it's healthy all the way around and it's uh um so i just look at it as like hey i'm doing this if i get to run with anybody else and it's

it's a distraction that's just kind of you know the the exception rather than the rule how many days a week you're running these days every day every day sunday too every every day every day jesus christ yeah i always say rest days are for pussies but the thing is you're doing the same thing every day too you don't even mix it up yeah i mix it up yeah you know like i'll do kickboxing one day yoga the next day i for me i have to mix it up if i don't mix it up i just yeah crazy the way i found it because i used to bike i used to do all these things but nothing nothing compares to running if you just want to get not only just just for fitness, but discipline.

Running. Running sucks. So it's like just to be able to get out there and get in a groove, that's discipline. And I've used that discipline for the rest of my life. But the building block is – and it makes shooting a bow. So we talked about shooting a bow is discipline. That's fun. If you can't get out and shoot a bow, So we talked about shooting a bow is discipline. That's fun. Yeah.

If you can't get out and shoot a bow, it's like, come on. Yeah, it's way more fun than running. Yeah, right. So that's why I look at it. It's like, you know, because I always say run, lift, shoot. Lifting, you get a good pump, whatever. You got some music going. You can get kind of jacked up.

Shooting is just fun. It's running running that's the key to the discipline so um yeah it's you're doing something to your mind you're forcing your mind to to this it strengthens that ability to get in that groove and yeah yeah you know i sometimes i hear my breath when i'm running and uh you know when i'm really pushing it when i'm going up a hill and it's it's so satisfying that you could keep up the pace yeah you know there's something about keeping up that pace that's so satisfying and me i always run with the dog you know so it's like i got my buddy he comes running back to me i'm so happy he's so fucking happy man i had a film how he jumps out of the truck because when i bring him to the trail and he jumps out of the truck his whole body's shaking

and then i open the gate he just jumps he leaves you could have that energy oh my god that would be that's how my that's how cash is too it's like no matter where you go he wants to if you're going outside he wants to be first outside if you're going inside he wants to be first back inside how happy is he yeah when you see this dog he's so happy oh marshall is i mean i try i told you i tried to take his stuffed animal and he's like yeah go ahead just let me know when you're done he's just like sitting there with his mouth closed just looking at me i had in my mouth like my dog would be like your mouth that disgusting stuffed animal yeah just just just my just my teeth dude you're gonna get a disease a disease for marshall that's how they say don't they say a dog's mouth how can a dog person yeah they lick their balls i don't know

how that works that doesn't oh that's cam and oh there you right see that little thing marshall is so nice but yeah i've been taking him to work with me because otherwise you know when we run we run in the morning. And then he's just bored all day waiting for everybody to come home. So he comes here and hangs out with everybody. But, yeah, so I took that thing from him. And he's like, not possessive. No.

He's like, yeah, just let me know when you're done. I never had a dog like him before. No. He's so sweet. So nice. I'm so used to pit bulls and I had mastiffs and all these big, scary-ass dogs. Yeah. And he's just a different thing man

he said i have to remind myself yeah he's uh he's a big sweetie a special dog i don't know if all are all retrievers like that supposedly goldens are all like that they're all just like commander david fravor who was on the other day yeah he said he's had five goldens he said i wouldn't get another dog they're the best dogs he just loves them i mean i get it now i mean i never had a dog like him he's so nice to everybody everybody is his best friend i know he just runs from one person to the next so the only thing he does that i don't like is he jumps on people still i'm trying to get him to stop doing that but it's just because he loves them yeah yeah's not, it's not malicious or anything like that. But yeah, I've always thought that if I could have the same attitude as my dog running. Yes.

I'm out there doing it. Yeah. I mean, he's so happy. He gets tired after maybe five or six and then he'll be like lagging back. But up until then, it's like, man, he's loving it. So he trots with you for about five or six miles, and then he's like, this motherfucker is ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Dad, when are we going home?

Right. He doesn't have the endurance. I mean. Do you get him water? Do you bring water with him for anything? No, but we go to the river. Oh. Yeah.

Ugh. Yeah. No, but for them. Is it good? Is it clean? Yeah, their stomachs are not like our stomachs. I know, obviously. Yeah, no.

Licking their balls and shit. When Marcia and I run, sometimes we run in the heat. Like sometimes, you know, around here it gets hot as fuck. So I have one of those collapsible dog bowls and I just put it in a backpack and I'll bring a Hydro Flask. Oh, okay. It's a 64-ounce Hydro Flask. And a couple times during the run, I'll pull out that collapsible dog bowl and pour him some water, and he'll drink it. It makes a big difference.

And then I pour some on his head, rub it on his head to cool him off a little bit. Just cool him down. Yeah. Because we'll run, and it's 100 degrees outside. Oh, I know. And he's got a lot of hair. Oh, God, he's so thick. Yeah.

You could get him shaved like a lion. Yeah, like a poodle does, like they do with poodles. Yeah. When I brush him, it's ridiculous. I have a brush that I brush him with, but I also have these gloves. They're like brush do with poodles yeah when i brush them it's ridiculous i have uh well i have a brush that i brush them with but i also have these gloves they're like brush gloves and you're petting them and then it's just like you have hair mitts you know it just comes off man if it's up to me i'd have fucking 100 dogs yeah i love them me too so and that's another thing that anti-hunters don't understand right they say well how come you don't kill your dog?

I'm like, it's my fucking dog. What are you talking about? My dog's a squirrel murderer, by the way. That sweet Marshall, he'll murk a squirrel. Really? In a fucking heartbeat. Yeah, we had to keep him from murking my daughter's rabbit. He's got real issues.

Yeah, look at that. See? That's just a hunting instinct. Yeah, look at him. as lovable as marshall is is that the one that says uh every day i have to calm the demons within what is it what is the uh it's the circle of life yeah but there's another one go to the there's another one did you see the lion back behind him yeah did you do that on purpose no no that's a it's a painting i bought in utah i know but see, that's a hunter, different levels of hunting.

Keep that one right there. Click on that one. Scroll down so you can see the caption. Every day I must tame the demon within me. He looks so guilty. Look at his face. He looks so guilty. He's like, please, please just open up the door for his

thoughts this fucking stupid rabbit yeah oh my god that's so cute i mean but what's interesting is like those retrievers they have what they call soft mouths yeah they don't tear things apart right they hold things gently and bring them to you yeah like even squirrels when he's killed a squirrel he'll bring me a squirrel it It's not even fucked up. Really? Yeah. Yeah. No, that's their genetics. I mean, like Johnny Cash, my mastiff, when he was alive, he got into my chicken coop one day. He tore a hole through the chicken coop.

So, you know, the chicken wire fence? Yeah. He tore it apart so he could get his body in there and went in there and he murked eight chickens. Eight or nine by the time I got to him. Wow. My wife is screaming, why is Johnny in the chicken coop? apart so he could get his body in there and went in there and he murked eight chickens eight or nine by the time i got to him wow my wife is screaming why is johnny in the chicken coop i'm like johnny's in the chicken coop that's not good he tore a hole through the chicken coop so that was a totally different experience yeah there was no soft mouth going on there it was just carnage just he was just having a good old time killing chickens what's up did you see this

oh jesus christ mouth you reminded me what is this asshole doing he's playing with Did you see we just had a good old time killing chickens? Bloodbath. Did you see this? Oh, Jesus. Have you seen this? Jesus Christ. It's a soft mouth you reminded me. What is this asshole doing? He's playing with his tiger. Oh, it's his tiger? And it looks like it's about to fuck him up.

Yeah. Oh, so where is this at? I don't know. It's just some gif I saw going around. Oh, man. I mean, I guess if you are nice to these things and train them, you can get away with this for a little bit. Yeah, but what happens is then that lion will probably kill that guy.

One day. I mean, because they're still, just like Marshall, they still, I don't know, maybe not. Maybe he's whatever. But you always hear this, that they had this pet whatever. Well, Marshall with a rabbit, for sure. Yeah. That's how that lion is. If I let Marshall play with the rabbit, oh yeah that's how that lion is like if i'm like let marshall play with the rabbit oh marshall yeah rabbits your friend then i'd go and take a shit

and come back to see blood and rabbit hair everywhere and then that guilty look on marshall i couldn't take it dad yeah he was taunting me genetics yeah yeah it's uh i don't know why people think it's cute to wrestle with lions and do all that crazy shit. It seems so silly to me. I mean. They're kind of cool. Yeah. I mean, that would be fun.

I guess. I mean, it's like animals are amazing, but don't be surprised when it can rip your juggler out. Well, when we were in Thailand, you can go to these tiger sanctuaries and you can pet these tigers. And what's interesting is you would go there and we would pet the little baby ones and they would be like really calm and tame and playful because they're little babies. But they're super energetic. But they're not trying to hurt you. They're just playing with each other and rolling around and they're like kittens. But then you go to the ones that are just a little older, like maybe a year old, and they're a little sketchy.

Yeah. They're just looking around, and then there's a guy with a stick, and they're keeping you at a distance with them. They don't want you getting too close to them. They worry about they might jack you. Yeah. And then when you get to the older lions or the older tigers, the full-grown tigers, they're all drugged. Yeah. And it's a real bummer, man.

Yeah. They're all lying there like half out of it. Oh, that sucks. And people take pictures with them. And these things are on fucking heroin, man. That sucks. They're just laying there. Completely 100% drugged.

There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. They barely keep their head up. And people are smiling and putting their hands on it and taking selfies. I don't like that. It's weird, man. No, I don't like that. It's weird, man. No, I don't like that. It's weird. I like wild animals to be wild.

Yeah, me too. I mean, that's what's cool about them. I mean, we've both experienced bears in the wild, and I've never seen a mountain lion in the wild, but I did see one in Montecito in Santa Barbara. I saw one on the street. But, I mean, if I did see one, I would think it's fucking cool to be in the woods, like hunting and like Dudley was 20 yards away from one.

Yeah. Stumble across one. It's cool that they're out there. Yeah. You know, I love the fact that they're a real thing, but I don't want to pet them. Yeah.

No, you got to respect them. I don't want to have nothing to do with petting. Those things are killers. Lion man. Those things are killers. You see that picture we have outside now with the Hollywoodllywood sign i yeah i did that motherfuckers living in griffith park god big ass cat with giant forearms see his forearms things are killing machines yeah

and he's just out there keeping keeping the coyotes in check yeah murking all those deer a few have died recently because of rat poison. Yeah. Four of them, I think. Lions? Yeah, mountain lions, yeah. Yeah, it's a bummer, man. There's a lot of lions here in California. A lot. They get a hold of the rat poison because people poison the rats,

and then they eat the rats, or the coyotes eat the rats, and then they eat the coyotes, and they get that rat poison in them, and they wind up dying. And another one got killed recently trying to to cross the street he was trying to cross the highway and they think he might have been getting chased by another cat and the cat chased him right into traffic and bam they're territorial that's what that's what that's why they have to keep spreading out so much because they won't overlap so those males will get a certain territory and then the younger ones have to go usually further into town do you hear

what happened um about the woman who had a farm she has a um an alpaca farm in in malibu and a mountain lion just decided to start murking her alpacas killed a shitload of them really and yeah killed like eight of them or something crazy like that and a goat killed a goat too didn't even eat them just oh yeah went on a killing spree nothing's gonna eat a goat goats are terrible are they really yeah i tried to that one time back in the early 90s ted nugent was playing in eugene and he was with the damn yankees and we're like we had this place that had these feral goats down by Roseburg. And so we're like, they wanted him killed. And so we asked, Wayne asked Ted somehow got ahold of him. Oh no, he's going to come to the bow rack because he's been bow hunting forever. It's like, Hey, you want to go bow hunting goats with us? So long

story short, we went down there, killed a bunch of goats. He had a concert that night, but I had a truck full of dead goats, little toyota two-wheel drive little blue thunder we called it and i tried to use those goats this is before 94 so you could bear bait still in oregon tried to use them as bear bait the bears were like we're not eating that shit bears didn't want the goat it would not eat the goats what no no so goats yeah it doesn't surprise me that lion won't eat the goats either. So goat meat, not the best. But they say that goats, like some cultures love goat meat. Yeah, I think so.

Yeah. That's probably the ones that won't eat cows. I don't know. I think they just cook it. They have ways of cooking it. Yeah. You know, I've never had, well, I know I've had goat before at a Mexican restaurant. I had like goat tacos.

Yeah, and it was good. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. had goat before at a mexican restaurant i had like goat tacos yeah and it was good really yeah but i think if you braise it yeah slow cook it with spices yeah you trigger it like you know put it on like 165 degrees for eight hours or something like that with the right spices yeah you can make anything taste pretty damn good that's what jen she cooked something up in bear camp this year it It was bear. I think it was loin maybe. I don't know. But anyway, cooked it for 12 or 20 hours, something crazy.

God, it was so good. Or no, it was a back ham maybe. Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember that. Yeah, she was talking about that. But it was so good. Yeah, she marinated it, right? Yeah, people say. I'd like to see people who say, well, do you eat bear? Have a plate of gin rivets bear meat?

My God, that's all they want. Well, you know what Rinella was talking about on his podcast, when the pioneers came out west, they were shooting deers for their skins and bears for the meat. Really? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, they were shooting bears for meat, black bears.

Yeah. They preferred black bears for their meat. It's a delicious animal people don't know no they don't know and they think you're lying for some reason that you can't eat bear you don't want to eat bear like you don't know what you're talking about if jen rivet cooks you some bear i defy you i defy you if you like to eat meat her stir fry you'd have to be a stir fire that is fantastic you'd have to be a pathological liar to say it wasn't good. If you don't like meat, maybe you won't like it.

But if you do like meat, you'd be like, wow, this is good. I say it tastes like a- It's almost like a cow fucked up deer. It's like a combination of venison and beef. Yeah. I mean, the way she cooks it is you know i think there's a typical taste of bear or i was like people always say who haven't had it like that they say it's greasy because it's more like porkish kind of yeah there's some fat

in it it's like it's just different but the way she does it in the tray girl or stir fry it's incredible it's incredible. It's incredible. Yeah. It's a really delicious animal. Speaking of that hunt, I want to get Goggins on his first hunt, just like I took you on your first bow hunt. So that's – That's where you're going to take him? To John and Jen's place?

Yeah, yeah. That would be perfect. Try to get a bear. Yeah. Good first bow kill. Has he shot a bow at all? Yeah, I got him a bow. Has he been shooting?

I don't know if he – he shot when bow at all yeah i got him a bow has he been shooting uh i don't know if he had he shot when he came and worked out with me he's got the best fucking instagram stories ever those those videos i know i love it nothing ever gets done by being a bitch he said i was i was reading one of his text messages he sent me yesterday he just sends the most ridiculous you showed me the one you showed me one like not too long ago is every couple months i got a new one yeah yeah i love it i love it they wake you up too man i wake me up i start doing chin-ups as soon as i get those messages i love his attitude there's a few people who um i love them as people like you know just they're good people just hard working but i'm in

love with their spirit it's like his spirit j Jocko's spirit, Courtney's spirit, their spirit. It's like it's amazing. He's like one of those guys that it's never going to waver. You know what you're going to get. You get inspiration from it. I do. I get fuel from it. Yeah.

Yeah. I just even having the chance to train with him it's like man just feel lucky to to see him in action and see him change from david to goggins right and it's like he becomes the hulk oh my god it happened i watched it and it's like i thought well maybe this is just kind of like a whatever maybe just a thing but it was real it's like, I thought, well, maybe this was just kind of like a, whatever, maybe just a thing. But it was real. It's like when shit got hard, he got into this different zone. And it was like, he got better.

He got better. Got tougher. Yeah, he did. It was like. So what'd you guys do? You ran like 30 miles. Yeah, 35. 35 miles.

Yeah. And then you went back and lifted yeah and and we shot bows too but uh all that same day but during that race it was kind of cold and and snowy i think it's spitting snow but rainy it was soaking wet and uh he i remember like a mile 22, something was happening with his feet, and he had to take his shoes off and untie his shoes. And it's like normally that's not a good sign. I mean, if people are messing with their shoes 22 miles into 30, it's like, God, this is not – because you know your feet are going to get torn up. Right, right, right. So it's like you just kind of – your feet, they could be bleeding, torn up.

It's like, yeah, this is what happens. And he's done a lot. So I'm like, man, I don't know. I said, well, I'm just going to kind of keep chugging along and, you know, get it figured out and catch up and we'll go from there. And I thought, man, there's a chance that maybe I won't see him again, but no, sure as shit. Here he comes. He catches back up. Me and my brother were up there and he, he went from 22. He got in this different groove. And then I actually, my calf on this race kind of locked up. And it's like going up this last grade, we had to do one more summit, and I couldn't run it.

And I'm like, he took off. I was just kind of power hiking it. And I get up there and had a cameraman up there. And David was like, he was in his Goggins mode by that time. This was towards the end of the race. We had like two miles left. It was like 33 miles in. And I asked a cameraman up there, I'm like, hey, I said, how did Goggins look? by that time. This was towards the end of the race. We had like two miles left. It's like 33 miles in. And he,

I asked a cameraman up there. I'm like, Hey, I said, how did Goggins look? And he's like, uh, well,

he had a shirt off and he was, and it was cold rain. He's had a shirt off and he was saying, they don't fucking know me. I'm like, who is he? He's like, they don't,

they don't know me, son. And doing, saying all this stuff. I said, who was he saying that to? And he's like, there's he? He's like, they don't know me, son, and saying all this stuff. I said, who is he saying that to? And he's like, there's nobody up here. So he has like imaginary enemies that he's fighting against.

But that's real. And so he did, and he got better, and he freaking just crushed the second half of that race. And same thing happened lifting. The more reps we did did the better he got and like at the end when we had done so many reps and like we did this one last thing of doing yeah we did like 95 reps of or no 100 reps of right there on that incline bench is only 95 pounds but we had done 600 reps before. He ended up on the last set did more than he did on the first set. That's insane.

Yeah. And that's when he's saying he starts yelling right here somewhere. Give me some volume. 15. Shut that muscle down. 16. Come on. Get it.

17. They don't know me, son. Get it. 18. They don't know me, son. Get it. 18. They don't know me, son. Get it. 19. They don't know me, son.

Yeah. 20. You got some more in you. They don't know me, son. 21. Yeah. Get it again. Shh.

Shh. Come on. We want to see it. Good. 22. Who's going to carry the boats and the logs? That's you, buddy. Come on. 23. Come on. 24. Who's going to carry the boats and the logs? That's you, buddy.

Come on, 23. Come on. One more, David. What the fuck? Who's one more to carry the boats? You're going to do it. You're going to do it. You're going to do it. Oh, my God.

You did it. Yeah. Who's going to carry the fucking boats? This is at International Fitness, just a regular gym. And people were like, what the hell? What is this guy? And he got into that zone. And it's like, so whatever he says about he was David, that he was Goggins, when he gets to Goggins, dude, look out.

It's like a whole, it's a different person that's unstoppable. It's real. It's real. It's real. whole – it's a different person that's unstoppable. It's real. It's real. It's real. I saw it, and he's like – it's amazing. Well, that's how he broke the world chin-up record. Yeah. I mean, you have to be a complete psychopath to be able to do chin-ups for 24 hours a day.

And then – so we went after that, and we went and watched UFC, got pizza and, uh, and it was getting late by that time. So we'd run 35 miles. We shot bows. We lifted weights, pretty full day, eight pizza, had a couple of chocolate chip cookies, watch UFC pretty good night. And then, so he's like, yeah, he goes, I had to get, get back to to my hotel. I still got to stretch, a couple hours of stretching. And my wife goes, oh, you're not going to stretch. Just – you can miss stretching tonight. It's like, what are you talking about? Have David Goggins miss stretching?

That's like, you know, take the night off. Right. He does some hardcore stretching. And he does for hours. And then that's just kind you know, take the night off. Right. He does some hardcore stretching. And he does for hours. And then that's just kind of his routine. And then he got up the next day and from his hotel ran 15 miles. So people can say whatever they want. The dude is as real as they get and a complete savage.

A hundred percent. It's not, it's like like you can say whatever you want because on instagram you never know if what you see is what you get it's he's amazing yeah he's real there's no way he could be doing as long as he's doing it without someone would expose him yeah he would expose himself yeah that's the real deal and that's why it's so special that's why it's so inspirational yeah it's because like that's the real deal and that's why it's so special that's why it's so inspirational yeah it's because like that's all mental strength and he's all super honest about how he used to be yeah my brain was soft i was soft it's helped me because i've thought that i'm like when i get tired i mean i i take inspiration from a lot of people but it's like i i'm like god i need to

have that a little piece of goggins piece of Goggins to get in that. It's got to be mental. It's like he just puts himself there and he struggles but then gets to this next level. And it's like, how? He just makes himself go there. He also has figured out now how to maintain his body which is very important yeah you know he that's why he's into that stretching because he's had some like pretty significant muscle issues in the past it's so awesome also yeah right like locked up on him

yeah but now he realizes like there's you know there's a maintenance involved too yeah yeah you got to treat that thing like a vehicle you know you got to take care of that vehicle yeah he does and he's i mean it was like i'll never forget sharing that day with him never i mean it's it it changed my life swear to god i mean he's you know i mean david goggins it's like people follow him and they're just like i feel i feel like it's it's like another blessing i don't really deserve just to be able to you know who wouldn't want to work you always talk like that it drives me crazy another blessing I don't really deserve just to be able to – who wouldn't want to work out with God? You always talk like that. It drives me crazy.

All this, I don't deserve shit. I don't. That's the one thing I hate about you. It drives me nuts. I don't. You always say, like we've been talking about that, you always feel like you don't even deserve to be at these camps with all these great hunters.

I always say, I think somebody eventually is going to say what the what is this guy doing here and i'll be like well they figured it out it was it was a good run that's called imposter syndrome i don't i just don't feel like i mean i see you guys i see you you goggins jocko and i see those and that's who everybody you know it's like you can change people's lives and i feel like pretty soon they're gonna go why is this guy here yeah yeah but that's how i feel about everything but i just don't i don't express it but you don't hate yourself for that no i don't hate myself for that but you hate me well you say it too much drives me nuts because i i admire what you do so it drives me crazy because you've taught me so much about bow hunting much i feel the same i used to feel the same about

everything like um it's called imposter syndrome what's that mean and it it when people have very high standards when people work hard and they have very high standards and then they become successful they feel like an imposter they feel like there's no way because you're always wanting better and more and like as i've become famous and become friends with other famous people like when i meet them like i was out at a restaurant the other night and me and my wife were having dinner and jamie foxx came in and he comes up to me and gives me a big hug and i'm always like how is he why does he like me like he's not supposed to like me yeah. It weirds me out that he even knows who I am. He's like, you've got to meet my friend.

He's a huge fan of yours. I'm like, what? I don't have any fans. What are you talking about? You're Jamie Foxx. This is nuts just talking to you. And then he brings me over to his friend. I always feel like an imposter.

I feel like an imposter. When we did that show in Portland, when you came to the show, I'm about to go on stage. It's a fucking sold out arena. That's arena people and i still feel like an imposter as they're bringing me up i'm like this is so crazy it's amazing okay so you get it i get it yeah but it's just because i have a very high standard and i work really hard and i i i'm never satisfied yeah so even though i know that i can do it i do it every night yeah you stand up every night right i know i know i practice hard.

I work hard. I write hard. I constantly do sets. Even though I still, I'm like, what in the fuck is this? Yeah. God, this is ridiculous. Still, to this day. Wow.

You know? I get it. I mean, just today, people sent me a text. Hey, I sent this to, so Joe must have changed his number. Can you see if you did get me on the and it's just like so i hear like that and i hear like so what's joe like so what's what's it like to do and it's just like i don't know however i don't know how other famous people are but how you are is like all i ever say is like he's the most generous supportive person I've ever met so however you're doing it you've been a good um it's just a somebody good to emulate I think

well I would say the same about you man it means a lot to me to be a friend and to to learn bow hunting from you spend to me it's like you know there's if you want to learn something, you want to learn something, what you want to learn is from someone who really understands it and really has it mastered it and spent a lifetime doing it. So for me, like you've cut probably decades off my learning curve of learning bow hunting and be able to learn. I mean, all those different things that we did to get close to those different bulls was all because of your years and years of experience and of course colton helped us as well he's a great guide and very knowledgeable hunter but you know even he defers to you because you have so much experience so to me that it's it's just uh to have a guy like you out there that's such a great role model that does it all the right way and works so hard i mean to to learn from you has been gigantic.

You go out to that wall out there and see all those elk heads, that's all because of you, man. I mean, it would have never happened. I would have never been able to do it. I definitely wouldn't have been able to be this successful this early. Well, I mean, you've been – whatever position you've been put in, you've made the most of it. That's what I say.

So a lot of people have been put in fortuitous situations that screw it up or don't make the most, but because of your work ethic, you've made that 67-yard shot, which isn't easy for anybody. In crunch time, you made that to perfection. So that's you. I mean, getting there, maybe, whatever, could have played a role in that. But executing, God, it was so beautiful. It was like seeing you kill that bull was definitely better.

Like when I kill, I'm just like, well, I did what I do. This is what I'm supposed to do. So I'm like, you have to be controlled. And like you were even pretty controlled. I wasn't controlled in that moment. I was so happy and so i don't know what just caught up in the moment it was it was beautiful to see i said it was one of the most beautiful shots i've ever seen and that's true but it's just like just to see that and and

have you be successful it's like god it means everything it means everything to me too man it does and to be able to do it with you like i said in the video it does it means the world to me that i could do that you know with being your uh your student and being able to learn from you and then to be able to execute like that in crunch time oh it's perfect yeah and i mean and now we fucked up and a lot of people are going to be in the woods bow hunting now i know but i hope they get something out of it man i really i really hope people yeah feel what we feel and and get that and then when you're eating it you'll you'll get that feeling that it's just it's not it's completely incomparable it's nothing like it in terms of like eating a meal eating a meal from an animal that you tracked down and hunted yourself and shot yourself.

There's nothing like it. Yeah. No, it's amazing. Hey, did you – you were at the comedy store last night. Yeah. Are you there tonight? Yep, yep. You are?

Yeah, I'm tonight too. Yeah. I get to go. Yeah, hell yeah. Yeah, I set up a show just because I knew you were going to be here. I saw you there last or saw those you were there last night i'm like oh shit i wonder if that was it no no no no i'm there multiple nights but i'm there i was there two i had two shows there last night and then i had a

show at the improv too oh nice so yeah beautiful thing about being in la is i can grind it out i could do multiple shows a night you know i'll do different plays i'll do like two shows at the store and then i'll do two shows of the improv i do it all the time yeah that's awesome oh it's amazing like la for for comedy it's like the the desert of comedy was uh was chris and cal in there last night what was that chris and cal and yeah they were at the uh they were at the store oh and then i left them and i went over to the improv. Did you see that video? Ian Edwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ridiculous. Callum was roaring like a dragon.

Yes. Oh, my God. Those guys are so silly. It was hilarious. Yeah. It was hilarious. The comedy store you've never been, right? No, I've never been.

That's Mecca. You're going to come to Mecca tonight. Oh, I can't wait. That's comedy Mecca. There's no place like it on earth. And tonight it'll be mobbed. Joey Diaz will probably be down there tonight. It'll be incredible.

This day has been like, I figured if I can die after today, I'm good. Because it's like, everything that's happened, then I get to go to the store. It's like, man. Now, what is this GQ thing you did today? It was just, so they had me breaking down like uh archery and movies so i did hunger games um they failed my reaction and and got me like talking about if it's realistic so i did jeremy renner i did robert denaro um he was in god some terrible movie. And I don't even think he, I was kind of surprised he was actually hunting with a bow in the movie. What movie was that?

I don't know. Was that a movie with him and John Travolta? Yes. Yes. And they had a fight? Yeah. And John Travolta played like a Russian? Yeah.

And he shot, John Travolta shot an arrow at him. Oh, God. So Robert De Niro was in a tree stand. John Travolta shot and it stuck in the tree. Robert De Niro jumped, fell out of the tree and broke his bow. And so then he started crawling towards John Travolta for some reason. Anyway, they had me. But Robert De Niro actually had a pretty good anchor.

I mean, he looked pretty good with the bow. He had a whisker biscuit on there, which wasn't good for the rest. But he was going to shoot this bull. Like this five-point bull came out and he couldn't do it. He like, I don't know what happened. He like had, he hesitated,

then jumped. He felt bad? Something like that. I don't know what happened. Let me see this, Jamie. Do you have it? Killing season. Yes.

It's pretty intense. That's not bad. No, that's not it. I don't like that grip. He had a compound bow. Oh, it's a different one? There you go. Yeah, right there.

Oh. Yes. He looks like, look at him. I know. I like how he's wearing flannel, too. He went old school. His radio went off, and it spooked the bull. But he jumped out and broke that bow.

Yeah. So I did that one. So him and John Travolta were shooting arrows at each other? Yeah. How dumb was the movie? Terrible. It was terrible. It was terrible.

Apparently the new Rambo is unbelievably bad yeah we did rambo too because i said i go we have to do rambo i want to talk about when he do you remember when he had the exploding tip and he shot the guy yes yes that was awesome why is he upside down he got caught in a trap oh jesus look at john travolta's beard Oh Jesus He's Russian How bad is his accent? Is it atrocious? Killing season What does it get on Rotten Tomatoes?

I want to see a 3 What does it get? Please tell me it's like 13 10! That's impressive That's pretty low That's pretty high Should be a lot lower than that Hey, what happened? Impressive. That's pretty low. That's pretty high. Well, yeah. It should be a lot lower than that.

Hey, what happened? Uh-oh. Oh, no. You shot me. Let me get up. He's trying to get up. What is he doing? Oh.

Oh, he hurt his ankle? No, he took one to the calf. Oh, did he? Yeah. An arrow? I think. I don't know. I just wanted to hear his voice.

I was hoping he was going to be right there. Oh, boy. It's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, there's very few movies that depict bow hunting correctly. Yeah, I didn't see any. What is this? He's holding him. He's got the arrow there.

You attack him before he draws. Just shoot me. Just shoot me. Come on. on you hear the listen to the russian shoot the shit oh boy pull this stop that right now i am not i cannot i can't do this that's uh no no no no the the best form i saw in any of the movies that I reviewed for him today was, I think it's called Brave. It was an animated movie. Oh, yeah. And the redheaded girl.

Yeah. Not bad. She actually had perfect form. Really? Yes. Oh, let me see that. Is there a movie, though, where someone bow hunts correctly? I mean, is there one movie?

Yeah, right here. Let me see her. Watch her form. When she... Oh, here, they're teaching her how to shoot? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, but you'll see her. She steps up there, and it's a confidence.

Ah, the confidence. The confidence. So you know she's going to put it on the X. Here she is. Watch this confidence. And the attitude. See that? She's pretty bossy.

My kids did not like this movie. Watch this. For some weird movie. For some weird reason. It's her. She needs that. Her dress is too tight. See that?

Uh-huh. Back, son. Now watch this. On the move. That's pretty good. I know, but watch this last one. This one's... Uh-huh.

Yeah, right here. Dun, dun, dun. Look at this. Watch this form. And this is with a broadhead. Look at this. Watch this form. And this is with a broadhead.

With distractions, she's so focused. The feather cut her face a little for some reason. Oh, I like how the arrow's wiggling like a real arrow. I know. But watch this. Oh. Oh. Look at this. Oh, she Robin Hoods it it i know pretty damn impressive see that con that's so

that's what i say the all the ones that i reviewed today that's the best that's the best yeah look at her release i know see that follow-through yeah follow-through is excellent very sweet but there's no movie where bow hunting is accurately depicted. No movie. No. I'm trying to think of a movie that even involves bow hunting. Can you think of one? No, not bow hunting.

No, I mean there's Deliverance where he winds up hunting people. Remember? Yeah. Burt Reynolds winds up jacking people with a compound bow. But they didn't have that today. They had Walking Dead. They had... That's ridiculous that they call that a bow. remember yeah burt reynolds i wanted to do that one but they didn't have that today they had walking dead they had that's ridiculous that they call that a bow that's a shitty gun that's what i said i said i don't i'm not down with the crossbow and and you got a rotten a rotten corpse head

and it's stopping an arrow it's not a pass-through excuse me yeah it's outrageous yeah sticks in their head here's one i don't know how we missed this but samuel jackson plays in a movie called big game where i think he might have been secret service protecting the president either way the plane crashes or something and he ends up with a kid and learning how to bow hunt to survive oh really really it came out three or four years ago oh this shit this shit must have went straight to V. Yeah. It doesn't look fantastic. I've never heard of it. They bow hunt to survive? Oh, and now he's getting in a fight?

Yeah, I typed in bow hunting movies, and this was the most recent one, I think. Oh, that's hilarious. He jumps on a helicopter? I don't know. I mean, there's one for you. Stop that before I get brain damaged. Yeah.

But isn't it interesting? You would think that there would be a way to make a movie that involves bow hunting that would be interesting. You'd think so. Yeah. But isn't it interesting? Like, you would think that there would be a way to make a movie that involves bow hunting that would be interesting. You'd think so. Yeah. Like, the movie, like, there's only a couple good pool movies. It's like The Hustler with Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason, and then The Color of Money

with Paul Newman and Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. Those are the big ones. Yeah. The Color of Money changed pool. Like, when that movie came out in 1986, it just literally pool exploded. The same as in the 1960s when The Hustler came out. Pool exploded.

So pool had two giant explosions where people really started going to pool halls. They wanted to learn how to play pool good. And then with The Hunger Games, apparently a lot of people got into archery because of Jennifer Lawrence. We got a beautiful woman shooting a bow. That what i said i go you looking like a badass you yeah yeah the confidence is a key but you know and she's hot she's hot and then she's got a bow it's like 10 times hotter both those things are good yeah so yeah she and she what was good with her was she could go from having the bow to grabbing an arrow to put it on the string to shooting in like half a second. Yeah.

And just over. Wow. I go, that's not easy to do. Well, she must have had some serious training just to be able to pull that off on film. Yeah. And I think she shot a Hoyt, and I think she took lessons from a Hoyt shooter. Oh. And same thing with even Rambo's old bow, I believe, was a Hoyt. Really think she took lessons from a Hoyt shooter. Same thing with even Rambo's

old bow, I believe was a Hoyt. Really? Yeah. That's hilarious. I know. He had the exploding tip and the bad guy was shooting, ran out of bullets with his gun, threw it down, pulled his pistol out and was shooting at Rambo

and Rambo just stood up there just like, you're not going to hit me. Oh, here she is landing her shoot. That's not her, I guess. That's her coach teaching the reporter. Oh, so this is the woman who coached Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah. Okay. I want to see Jennifer Lawrence. I don't even know this chick. That's what I thought it was.

Get the fuck out of here with this. But that did get a lot of people involved in archery. It did. Girls especially. Yeah, young girls. Apparently, what is her name? Gina Davis? Yeah. Gina Davis is a big-time archer. She loves it.

She shoots, yeah. I've seen that. She shoots competitions, right? Doesn't she? I think so. Yeah. She does some target competitions. Yeah.

And Ivanka Trump. Does she? I saw her with a bow before. Well, obviously, Donald Jr. is the biggest one in the family. Yeah. And Donald Jr. is a legit bow hunter. Yeah. He shot a giant bull in Colorado this year. Did he? heard with a bow before well obviously donald jr is the biggest one in the family yeah donald jr is a legit bow hunter yeah he uh he shot a giant bull in colorado this year did he yeah oh i don't even know that yeah yeah he sent it to dudley he sent a picture of it to dudley show it to me on

his phone really big ass bull yeah god i didn't see that yeah it's a great bull yeah wow huh yeah he's a legit bow hunter i mean that guy loves bow hunting he hunts a lot yeah no he's he's definitely avid outdoorsman i mean he's always putting up stuff and um he learned a lot from dudley too did he yeah dudley taught him quite a bit gave him quite a bit of training yeah yeah but there's not a single movie where someone goes bow hunting like you would think that that that could would think that that could be a good movie. Is that Gina Davis? She tried out for the Olympic team.

Oh, shit. She's shooting an Olympic recurve. Yeah. She tried out for the Olympic team? Yeah. Finished 24th out of 300 women. Not bad. Yeah.

In the Olympics, it's no compound. It's bows just like that. Wow. I think it's 70 meters. And's bows just like that. Wow. I think it's 70 meters. And they put them in there. Wow. But you didn't find any of... Look at her.

She looks fucking super legit. Look at her form. I know. Her grip hand, everything. Yeah, they are such good shooters. It's amazing how good they get. Yeah, with tabs. I mean, it's crazy.

Like, you're shooting off your fingers. Yeah. And you're shooting really accurately. Is she still doing it? That's what I was looking up. They made a video with her on Funny or Die. Let me see that video. Archery tricks.

Is this it? It's a joke. You said I don't know how much of it is real. Or it's for Funny or Die, so I don't know what the context was. It's a couple years old. She's got a gun, too. Mm-hmm.

Look at her. So it's just... Oh, so you don't actually get to see? Yeah, I don't know. Oh, okay, too. Mm-hmm. Look at her. So it's just so you don't actually get to see. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, okay. They're just being silly. Look at her form. There's her form.

Yeah, look at that. We never saw Jennifer Lawrence practicing. That's that video. She practiced in hiding. I know. I want to see it. Yeah, I mean, she obviously has got to have a lot of training the way she executes. Yeah.

It seems, because like, you know, when you see Keanu Reeves and John Wick, you're like, okay, that guy had some fucking training. Yeah, shooting. 100%. Yeah. There's no doubt about it. Yeah. You know?

Like, I just started doing that recently at the same place where he learned. Oh, right. It's fucking hard as shit. I saw that. It's hard, man. Really? Yeah. It's another thing that you're going to get obsessed with because it's just so technical.

There's so much technique involved in it. Was that part of your sober October? Yeah, we're doing a bunch of different classes, all sorts of different shit. That's cool. It's fun, man. Speaking of famous people hunting, how about Scott Eastwood on his bull? How about Scott Eastwood? First ever bull.

I know. Yeah. I know. First day in camp. He was the first guy bull. I know. Yeah. I know. First day in camp. He was the first guy to kill. No. I know. Made a hell of a shot.

Hell of a shot. 55 yards. He's a great guy, too. Yeah, I know. I mean, when we did that podcast with him, we got to know him, and he's just a sweetheart of a guy. That's how he is all the time. Yeah, I know.

Super friendly guy. Yeah. Boy, was he beaming. He came back to camp, first guy to kill, big smile on his face. Heck, yeah. So the rest of the days he was at camp, he came back to camp first guy to kill big smile on his face so the rest of the days he was at camp he's just smiling i know just so happy i know his bull and a nice bull too oh heck yeah that was a big bull yeah that was awesome i mean we've hunted with chris pratt jaco andy stump i mean we've had a credible we've had some great times i can't in in andy's bull you see that video yeah

came in amazing three or four yards or whatever and then luckily they got to stop at like 18 or 20 whatever it was but i thought you know another crunch time like coming through and crunched last day i know i know he had very few opportunities he just you, you know, bow hunting is hard. I mean, I always have, the last three years, I've scheduled two bow hunts a year. Yeah. Because, two elk hunts a year. Because I keep thinking, I'm not going to be successful. Yeah. I'm going to come up short.

Odds are, yeah. And then I'll get, I'll at least get, maybe I'll have two opportunities for the second hunt, and I'll be able to get a second bull. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's been, it's been lucky as shit. I know. Now you got one next week. Yeah.

I'm very excited. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting thing, the camaraderie and camp too, because like those kind of camps, like we had two weeks ago in Utah, it's like we got a group of some of the best people I know and everyone's hanging out and of some of the best people I know. Yeah. And everyone's hanging out and just some of the nicest, friendliest people. And especially early in the week, everybody's on the grind, man. I know.

Everybody's on the grind. Yeah, it's all business. Yeah, it's serious, serious fucking business. Yeah. You know? I had to leave in Elkhunt to come there. That's right. And it was still worth it.

It was like, it was so fun. I'm like, there's no way I'm going to miss this camp. It was cool to meet Levi Morgan, too. Yeah. He's a really nice guy. Oh, I know. And I've watched his television show before. And he's another one, just an elite world champion archer.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just like any time I always feel lucky to be able to rub elbows with people like that at that level and just feel like, I don't know, and just talk with them. It's just like, man, that was amazing. To be able to show Levi Morgan that shot that you filmed, that was fucking beautiful, too. Yeah, that was fun. It's just so cool to be in that camp because everybody that group is, they all get it. Everybody's obsessed with the same thing.

Everybody's obsessed with success and bow hunting. And here we are, the one week that everybody looks forward to most on earth. Yeah. All year long, you look forward to this one week on earth. This is the rut in Utah during elk season when there there was no moon so they're going off oh it couldn't have been better couldn't have been timed they were fucking and dudley's into that moon shit man he'll tell you about moon phases and this and that he writes articles about it yeah so he was like this week is gonna be amazing and it was oh my god oh my god those bulls went

crazy i was watching that clip the other day like i said i watched when colton pulled out that tenderloin but i also watched that first i thought the bull was going to be dead 55 yards we're under that spruce tree yeah and that was a big bull standing out there oh it was so close so close so close when i drew back he was looking right at me and he was like fuck this i know i just but reliving those moments i'm so thankful we have the phones and the video and it's just crazy how good the video is too i know it's just amazing a phone this freaking phone filming your kill shot yeah and it's like clear as day crystal clear 4k perfect yeah yeah it's almost watch it too much i could almost watch it too much. I can almost watch it too much. I mean, I've got to stay in the moment. Yeah. You know?

It's pretty special to be able to see it, though. Yeah. Well, that one we did for Under Armour, I've watched that video at least 100 times. Have you? Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. That shot through the trees. Great video.

Yeah. This one I like just because you can actually see that arrow kind of tracking. It comes in, and it tracks and just hits money. Yeah. No, that's better for sure. That was better. The other one was like I was shooting through a hole. I had to thread the needle and punch it through that hole in the trees.

You did. Yeah. But being able to execute during crunch time, it's so fucking satisfying. That's what gets me up and makes me practice hours and hours and it's just like you feel you did what you were supposed to do and it's just like there's pressure because there's pressure like you're like carrying this pressure and then it's gone it's gone it's gone for a second for a second and then the pressure is you got to be able to do it again next time so you can't rest on your laurels it never gets easier no never gets easier it's like you can it's easier you know success is

is fleeting you got to keep grinding and it's like one failure seemingly wipes out years of success you know what i mean you screw up one time and you're just like oh my god it's devastating yeah like i said it's like it can be soul crushing. Well, you're only as good as your last execution of whatever you're trying to do, whether it's your last comedy show, your last bow hunt, your last arrow you released. You're only as good as that. If you release a bad arrow and you hit a deer in the ass, you're like, fuck. Yeah.

And then your head is like, that's what I do. I know. I shoot deers in the ass. Yeah. And then they run away. You forget everything else yeah you can't you it's but that's also what makes me practice so much it's like i don't ever want to feel that it's like one of those things you have to be obsessed yeah you're gonna you're gonna be mediocre unless you're obsessed yeah i think bow hunting is a very strange thing because it's not just hunting.

It's an athletic pursuit. It's a discipline, and it requires so much. When I was at Taron Tactical the other day, I was shooting rifles, and I didn't miss once. It was like clink, clink, clink. It's just I'm on a bench. Just trigger discipline, pull, pull, pull, let a surprise release go off right it's you you hunting like that is difficult but it's it's not comparable there's nothing like bow hunting it's the most difficult but also the most satisfying yeah and it's a it's i hate to use the term because it's

such an overused term but it's a spiritual pursuit it is there's something very spiritual about bow hunting and it's when you when that shot landed and that's one of the things that happens like our spirits are uplifted like yeah we did it like the grind is over for this one day for this one moment we did it and it always feels the same thing to me after it's over and after the animal's down and you know after we're thankful it never feels real it's like is this real did this really happen yeah did i really shoot this thing never feels real it always feels like that last year when i shot that giant one at tahone ranch same thing

didn't feel real i'm like standing over that thing it's like this real it doesn't feel real yeah just feels strange is it what what i wonder why that is i don't know i'm crazy probably it's like i just my i don't ever like like i'm even when things go well for me there's a part of my brain and i think this is because i've been obsessed with so many different things and i've kind of i kind of understand my own pitfalls and the only traps that i can fall into so anytime anything happens that's great even if it's fucking amazing like yeah it feels good for a little bit and then almost immediately afterwards i think you better get back to work bitch better get back to work because you can't start thinking you're awesome now right yeah you can't get confused right you

know i mean that's why i always say like you know someone's someone asked me once like what's the secret to your success like one of the big secrets is i'm not a fan of me right i'm not like i don't think i'm awesome yeah i i i i'm not that impressed with me right so i know what i need to do to be successful and then i'm the guy who's telling me get out get up go go go do it do it do it so anytime anything happens it's great i'm like settle down bitch that's exactly how i feel i think you have to feel like that how i feel alexander gustafson was talking about that once and he was talking about the mindset that you have to be to be an elite professional athlete like you can you're never satisfied there's no

way yeah and i think anything that's difficult difficult pursuits whether it's stand-up comedy or whether it's bow hunting or even ultra marathon running it's like no matter what you do that's hard to do once it's over you better not enjoy it for too long you better get back to work back to work you have that horse i know you're gonna always feel that good feeling if you think about it at all like i always have that video to always feel that good feeling if you think about it at all. Like I always have that video. I always feel that good feeling. If I want to feel good, I'll watch that shot. Yeah.

But don't think about it too much. No. You better get back to work. Yeah. You know? That's exactly how I feel. It's like it's so hard to get and it's just then it's gone. Yeah.

Because you can, I mean, you got to prove it every time. But the real fun is in the struggle. And that's what's hard for people to get their head around. It's the struggle, but then not winning, but succeeding. Succeeding. Yeah. And that's what you see in that video. Yeah.

Because the struggle is so evident. And then the success. And it's just like, oh, my God, this feels almost surreal and just amazing. But then it's like, God, I want to feel that again, but I've got to earn it. You've got to earn it. It doesn't give a fuck who you are. I mean, it's one of the things that I love about archery. It's the same thing I like about pool.

It's the same thing I like about a lot of things that are absolute. Like when pool, the ball either goes in the hole or it doesn't. That ball doesn't give a fuck who you are. It doesn't give a shit. It's the animals. The same thing with arrows being released. If you don't hit it right. Yeah.

You don't release it right. You don't aim perfect. You can be the best in the world. And fuck up. You screw up a shot. Fuck yeah. Yeah. And the animals don't they're not there's

no they're not cutting anybody a break right it's they're wild animals in the mounds and you just gotta i mean it's tough but it is when you mention spiritual endeavor um i remember when i was in san carlos this year this is you know native land native land and it's very special for me to hunt there with the Apache tribe there. And I remember I was standing on top of this ridge and the wind was coming through there and it felt like, I told the guys there this too, that it felt like the wind was moaning. Like there's so much, I don't know if it's emotion, i don't know if it's emotion i don't know if there's life in there but it felt different and it's like when are you ever going to be in a situation where

you're going to be so in tune where it feels like that and that's that's what the bow in i don't know i think something about san car too, when you know that this is Indian land, that it's got like a special feeling connected to it. For me, it did, yeah. And I had come to find out that in that canyon there, there's these caves down there. There's a mummified body in there, apparently. And there's three different levels to the cave. a mummified body in there apparently. And it's, there's three different levels to the cave.

There's arrows in there. There's to this day right now. Right. Yeah. That, that was a story I sold about a mile down from where I said it felt like it sounded like the wind was moaning. Fuck. Why didn't you go there?

Apparently they have a barred up now because there's people who steal artifacts. We're getting in there. So I want to look at, I know. Amazing know amazing i mean but the history of that land so i just seen an old arrow you find an arrow broadhead on the ground from hundreds of years ago wouldn't that be a that'd be incredible fuck it'd be i found a broadhead um a little flint broadhead in nevada I've, I mean, I don't know of anybody that's ever found one with an arrow. Yeah, apparently there's 25 or 27 arrows in there. Whoa.

I know. Incredible. I'd like to just take a picture. There is definitely a connection. And then it just feels different to me there and it's just like and it's like i feel so much uh i feel honored to hunt there with the apache the guys from the reservation um that's also a place where very few people get to be so you know that when you're there you're sharing the land with very few people so you you got to feel like super lucky i do to just i never i never thought i'd ever be i mean everybody knows there's giant

bulls there what how could i ever be the guy who gets out there it's like never never thought that would happen but that's a bull you shot there this year is insane yeah they're so big it's big old bull like the hardest part with that hunt is like you could go there. You could kill a bull. If you just wanted to kill a bull, you could make it happen. But killing a big old bull is hard. That's the hardest. That's hard anywhere. But there it's – and then if you're killing an old bull there, it's going to be giant.

I mean they're just special animals. Incredible. Now, this is because there's supposed to be two different kinds of elk, right? That there was a Rocky Mountain elk and a Yellowstone elk. That's what I've heard. What's that gentleman's name that he hunts at the Deseret and he also hunts down there? Oh, Steve Johnson. Yes.

He was explaining this to me. Yeah. That the Yellowstone elk was a larger breed of elk. It makes sense. They're giant. They have larger antlers and you see them in the Gila. You see them in New Mexico. And that area in particular in San Carlos has a bunch of those elk.

Yeah. Well. They also think that that's what's in Tohon Ranch. Oh, really? Yeah. That's why they're so big. Well, those are giant too. Yeah.

it's in tahone ranch oh really yeah that's why they're so big well those are giant too yeah it's also you know they don't have a winter like they do in the mountains of like utah or colorado right yeah where they got to survive the winter months i'm gonna um take my wife and kids next year i want them just to experience the rut i want them to come with me to hear the bulls just to hear it just because it's so and just see them where i don't know i mean maybe i'll take them with me to utah and i'll take a day off hunting yeah and just just have them out there go with me yeah just come with me i just want you guys to experience it it's like when we were heading into that timber like where that first bull was in the shade in the shadows i mean those sound that's where i did the video it sounded like monsters down there demons yeah well we're saying imagine being the pioneers and you know you you you got there maybe in fucking june or

something like that and everything's quiet yeah and then all of a sudden a couple months later here yeah you wouldn't know what the fuck is that yeah it must have taken a while before they realized it was the elk that were doing that it must it was i mean and it sounded like they were so loud it sounded like we should have seen them way before we did right do you remember that yeah they were so far away i mean it sounds like they're right there but it's just because it's so loud and the echo through the canyons oh god it was so fun i would give anything to seeing what it must have been like to have crossed America back in the Lewis and Clark days when it was totally undeveloped. And, you know, you just run into the tribes of Native Americans. I would just love to see what it was actually like when the wildlife was undisturbed.

And, you know, you'd have these massive herds of Buffalo and deer were everywhere and elk were everywhere. They said when those expeditions came across America, they just, they could hunt anything. There's animals everywhere. It was just a plethora. And the market hunting is what killed that. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. That's where we've come back from now. And now, as they say, there's more big game animals now than there was 100 years ago which would be after that yeah yeah it's just it would have been

amazing to see what it looked like though yeah yeah i mean that's kind of what we're that's why you go over the next ridge yeah every time yeah let's let's keep going i mean that morning or oh no it's the morning i killed yeah, it's like over the next ridge. Kept us going, kept us going. It sounded like there's bulls going crazy over the next ridge. Well, that shot that you guys got, too, of that bull coming up to you. Yeah. And coming, screaming up the hill, that big old bull.

Man. Yeah, 10 yards. That's so crazy. Stopped him. That close is such an enormous animal too. Yeah. Yeah. No.

And that was, that was, Rihanna did a great job filming that. She really did. Yeah. She did. And then her video that she showed us of that giant elk that she shot. And that was a public land bull.

Yeah. That's a big bull, man. I know. Big old giant thing. And the footage where she's on her knees and this thing is like coming by her, like, it looked like it was like

15, 16 yards. It was really close, right? Yeah. And she shot mid bugle. Yeah. Whack.

Yeah. Oh, just so, so happy for her because like I told her, there's not many women I know of that have went on public land

and killed bulls like that with a bow. I mean, that just doesn't happen. I mean, that just doesn't happen. Right. I mean, it was an amazing accomplishment. Yeah, it's like another degree harder than it is for men because just the physical difficulty, the strength that you have to have to be able to maneuver your way through the woods like that,

especially her. With a pack. I mean, she packed it out, too, so she's got 100 pounds on her back. A lot of guys can't do that. Yeah, and then she's worked up to be able to shoot 60 pounds with her bow that's very impressive for a girl yeah yeah she's she's strong she works hard she's got a great attitude and man i'd love to see her be successful yeah no she's it's cool to see someone who's legitimately dedicated to it because you know we've talked about this before there's things that are happening

right now where people are getting into certain activities when you're a woman because it gets you a lot of attention because if you're a hot woman and you shoot a gun in a bikini a lot of people are going to pay attention to you if you're a hot woman and you go bow hunting a lot of people are going to pay attention to you yeah but it doesn't mean that they're not legit and in her case she's 100 legit yeah it's cool to see i know it's nice to see it be all real no i know i told her she makes these cooking videos i'm like god if you just you want some views just do that in a bikini do the same thing it's like what are you trying to do here she's like no i'm gonna do it the right way so yeah well she i i give her a bad time but i totally respect her because

she's because if i was a girl i'd be a whore i would have a like a fucking glittery bikini on everywhere you've been walking around camp in your panties 100 100 i'd be doing my toes at the table with everybody i'd be a hoe if i was a girl yeah camp full of 100 dudes it'd be like yeah what's up boys time to get some attention yeah it's hard you know for women because like they they want a certain amount of attention but you got to be careful on how you get it because then people don't respect you i know and that's yeah she's done a great job with that yeah it's a different game though than with men i know you know men don't have that that struggle the balance struggle

of people respecting you but also being attracted to you it's like for girls like they have to they even have to be careful with how they dress you know you dress a certain way you look great certain way you look hot a little more over the edge now you're a whore i know you know it's like no god there's like a cut off where yeah it's a sweet spot there's a sweet spot with ladies it's hard to find that sweet spot man yeah it's like it's uh tiffany killed a good bull there this year too yeah she did before we got there yeah yeah and a good buck yeah he's another one tiffany and lee they're great people yeah it's also cool to have met them you know i feel just really fortunate to be able to be friends with all these people that i know are these like really world-renowned experienced hunters you know i can learn so much like i said it's like

just being friends with you and dudley it's cut down my learning curve by decades you know just it's there's no i mean the comparison would be like learning basketball from michael jordan or something like that yeah if you wanted to learn like he's not going to show you how to play basketball the beautiful thing about hunting is and one of the the coolest things about you guys is everyone's so open about information yeah it's not they're not it's not thought of as a competition so everybody's looking to get – and hunters are so maligned and sort of like misunderstood by society that a lot of people that are hunters are really excited for any new person to get into it. Yeah. And look at it correctly.

No, it's huge. It's big. I mean, I used to not tell anybody anything. Like even my buddy used to say he'd give me a bad time because i wouldn't tell anybody where i hunted i wouldn't i was like so protective he'd be like he called me mac because he's like you don't even want to go by your real name it's your name backwards as your code name and so he'd call me mac because i was so secretive on everything so i've been where i'm not helping nobody helped me i'm not helping anyone that's i've been there I'm not helping. Nobody helped me. I'm not helping anyone. I've been there.

So it's like, but it feels good to, like I said, when seeing you successful is everything. That's an interesting thing with a lot of public land hunters, right? They don't want to tell anybody their spots. No, because you work hard to find those. You work hard to find them. And it's like, it can take years, like especially elk hunting. There's not good elk hunting spots everywhere. I mean, you've got to bust your ass to find good elk hunting.

And then when you find it, you're like, I'm not going to screw this up. Because you tell one person, and nobody just keeps something to themselves. So then they say, well, do you mind if I go there? No, you can go there. Then be like, well, I went there, but then my brother had to come or my buddy had to come. Well, then they couldn't go by themselves. So then next time they, and it was pretty soon there's, you know, if you have a good spot, like in the wilderness, it can be ruined by two other guys. Yep.

They tell two people and so on. So it's like, it's, it's really hard. Public land is it's, it's,'s really hard public land is it's it's you won't you got to protect it i love that show the western hunter with uh nate salons yeah and uh that's one of the things that he documents on the show all the time is the grind of public land hunting he's always getting he's always running into guys on horseback that run off the animals yeah and you deep deep deep into the back country still find guys the wall tent like fuck like it's a grind he's a great hunter he's a he's a he's the very first person um to film me in the wilderness oh wow nate was it's like he had never he wanted

to hunt the wilderness had never done it he knew i had done it actually maybe it was shay man who filmed first but then i can't remember maybe nate was first they were both right around 2002 but i nate i saw him at the borac and he's like man i've always wanted to hunt the wilderness and i'm like well do you want to film me yeah i'd love to so he didn't know how to run a camera, but his sister was getting married on a Friday. Opening day was Saturday. I said, if you go to the wedding, you drive to the trailhead after the reception. You get to the trailhead at 1 in the morning. You walk all night, 12 miles.

You can be in there by first light, opening day. And I'll tell you where to go. And it's like on these maps and all this. I thought there's no way this kid's ever going to make it. So this was how many years, 17 years ago. He's not old now. So 17 years ago. So he's probably like 20 back then. Early twenties. And I got up opening morning and I went up to the saddle way deep in the wilderness. And I'm like, look where I told Nate to come from. First light comes and I look over there and here's this guy walking and it's him.

And he made it all the way in there. Drove all night, packed in all in the dark, made it in there and film me. It took day six, day six. I killed a buck. He filmed,

did a great job. Day seven, I killed a bull and he, that was his first ever with a camera. First ever time. And now you see what he's doing on Western Hunter, just amazing work. It's one of the best shows that really depicts hunting. He gets it.

Yes. He gets it. And he gets the grind, as you said, and the emotion tied to it. And I think his first bull with a bow was when he was 13. Wow. And all he's ever done is bow hunt. Wow. His whole life.

So he's one of the most, I mean, I respect him as much as anybody. And it was just, I saw 17 years ago, he had it. He had it then and he wanted to learn and he wanted to experience it. And then he's went from there to making one of the best shows on TV. There's such a great lesson in that, that there's the opportunity. It's not easy. You're going to a wedding at one in the morning. You're going to have to hike in.

Yeah. And it's a 12-mile hike. It should take you about five or six hours. But if you want to do it, there it is. And a lot of people are like, fuck that. No. All sorts of excuses not to. Well, I'll come in.

I'll be there that night, Saturday night. No. I said, I need you there opening morning. That's a giant part of life is those opportunities, capitalizing on those opportunities. Because a person could easily have blown that off. Maybe another time. Maybe I'll hunt with you next year. Maybe I'll hunt with you. Exactly. And then then nothing ever happens and then you don't get that momentum

who knows and then maybe there's no western hunter yeah yeah who knows i mean it's it's but as a human being those opportunities like that's how you build you build on the capitalizing on those opportunities and making it happen and then you keep keep going. That's the whole thing. It's like these uncomfortable moments, pushing through them, having discipline and drive, getting it done when you don't want to. Yeah. And then you go, oh, I know how to do that. I can do that.

I can grind through this. Yeah. I can get through it. And then that's how you build in life. You just step by step by step, you keep doing it. And when that happens, I i mean it's happened to me in my life where i've decided to do something and it was really difficult but when i got through it i go oh i can do it i can push through things i can make things happen it's such an important

lesson i mean it's probably one of the most important lessons taking advantage it did did you see the the he did a show on roy on like a tribute did you ever see that i did not see that mate did is it on the western hunter he did it was yeah i did not see that i'll find it because he went with wayne to um where roy used to hunt on kodiak island for deer and but at the beginning of the show he had he made he filmed one of the coolest things. Roy and I went to the backcountry and hunted brown bear off snow machines. And Roy had a cabin back there. And Nate went back there and filmed it.

Oh, you told me that story. It was crazy. Doing backcountry fixes on busted snowmobiles. So Nate was there for that whole thing. And he said he's never felt like he was going to die more times than he did. I mean, it was so much was going, but it's just like a normal back country in Alaska. It's like it's different up there than it is here because there's so many, you can die so easily. And down here, it's pretty tame, you know, in comparison.

But he, anyway, he got it on film. So I have that whole film. And he took clips of that and made a tribute to Roy. And it was pretty special. That's awesome. You should look it up. That's awesome. I will.

Cam, let's wrap this up. Yeah. It's great to see you, brother, as always. Oh, thank you so much. And I'm bringing you to the Comedy Store tonight. I can't wait. Bringing you to Comedy Mecca. I can't wait. All right. That's it, everybody. Thank you. Thanks, brother. Oh, thank you so much. And I'm bringing you to the Comedy Store tonight. I can't wait. Bring you to Comedy Mecca. I can't wait.

All right. That's it, everybody. Thank you. Thanks, brother. Bye. Thank you. Thank you. Whew.