The Joe Rogan Experience - #137 - Tim Ferriss

Episode Date: September 10, 2011

Joe sits down with Tim Ferriss.

Run the music! The power of the internet once again manifests itself, or causes things to manifest, or whatever. Tim Ferriss is here, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks for coming, man. And a much requested man on the internet, because a lot of people really enjoy your work. And you've got some fascinating theories. And you've obviously spent a lot of time breaking things down and analyzing things.

And people really love that. They love when someone does the hard work. Trying to harness my OCD for something useful. Is that what it is? I don't think it's diagnosed. But I'm glad, certainly certainly when I was a kid that ADHD didn't have a prescription associated or a label with it because I would have been thrown straight into a small cage. I would have as well, for sure. But here's the thing, man. There's nothing wrong with you.

There's nothing wrong with you at all. Why is it that people want to medicate someone for being unusual or exceptional or energetic or someone who can't sit and do boring shit they they resist the machine so we tell them they're sick yeah you know because if you'll sit in some boring monotonous class about some fucking subject you don't really give a shit about your instincts as a five-year-old kid or a six-year-old kid is to run out of the room yeah or even 15 or whatever the even now that's That's like, you don't want to be around shit that's not stimulating. But we're like, there's something wrong with you if you don't submit to the hive. Yeah.

There's something wrong with you. Oh, you can't. What, do you want to write your own books? No, no, no, no, no. You got to memorize all the shit that we wrote. We don't want you coming up with music. We don't want you figuring out movies or cartoons or starting your own comic book. You can't call a guy who writes books like you do.

You can't say you have OCD, dude. You don't got a disease. No, no, not at all. Neither does one of my friends. I remember in, I think it was third grade. He was one of the smarter kids in the class, and he got bored out of his mind. So he took a fork, walked over to the side of the room. The teacher was on the blackboard, and he goes,

I am the master of the universe! And he stabbed the fork into the electric outlet and shot across the room. So he was immediately dispelled from the class for a period of time, but he was one of the smarter kids in the class. It was just boring. And the class could only move as quickly as the slowest kid,

and he was bored. I've done that before. I took a wire to the top outlet, and I wanted to transfer the power from the top outlet to the bottom outlet. Oh, my gosh. I was like, let me see if I could do this. And I did it and just blew up, flew across the room. That's what they use for cooking hot dogs at science fairs. Explains a little bit more about Brian, ladies and gentlemen.

We found another link. We found another little piece of evidence. The missing puzzle. Yeah, man, school is boring as fuck. That's a big problem. A big problem that's not addressed because we figure, well, fuck it, I got out of it. They can get out of it, too.

I went through all that boring shit. You go through all that boring shit, too. But it is the worst way to inform the mind ever. Just make it so it sucks and it's boring and you have to get up early when you're tired and be around some uninspired fucks that are getting paid pennies

to teach you this nonsense. I slept through, I honestly can say, I slept through at least 80 to 90% of all of my school, high school years. Like I, my dad gave me this camel cigarette hat

that back in the day you were allowed to wear cigarette hats to school and stuff. Your dad gave you a cigarette hat? Yeah, he's like, some guy at work gave this to me. Do you want this? My dad doesn me this camel cigarette hat that back in the day you were allowed to wear cigarette hats to school and stuff. Your dad gave you a cigarette hat? Yeah. He's like, some guy at work gave this to me. Do you want this? My dad doesn't smoke.

And so I was like, okay. And so I wore my whole – Did he know that you smoked? No. It was before I smoked he gave it to me. Like I wore it my whole four years of high school. It was kind of cool because no one had cigarette hats I guess. Right.

But I found a way. It folded perfectly where like if I sat I found a way, it folded perfectly, where if I sat the right way, it looks like I was looking at my book. And so I mastered all through high school. But the problem is, now I'm trying to learn things that I should have learned already, like the Holocaust and the Civil War and stuff like that. Khan Academy. Have you seen Khan Academy?

No. K-H-A-N Academy. It's astonishing. This gentleman who decided he wanted to teach his kids, I think it was, remotely about calculus or something like that to help them with their schooling, and then he ended up blowing it out for the entire world, and now it has Gates support. And what some of these charter schools, the most successful charter schools are doing is they're actually taking the lecture piece of school, which puts kids to sleep. They're assigning that as homework, and then when the kids come in, they focus on projects and experiments and actually putting what they heard and learned

into practice pretty cool that makes sense that seems like a lot better approach than uh just sitting there with a monotone voice pointing at chalkboards and going through huge books and looking at stupid pictures nowadays i think i would be pretty good at school because it would be interactive with like ipads and stuff like that i think that that's probably a lot better than it was when we went to high school. Do you think they use iPads in classrooms? Yeah, a lot of schools, you're given iPads. Really? Yeah, nowadays.

Really? Pretty wild stuff. That's pretty awesome. You remember when you used to get a movie in science class and you were so excited? Fuck yeah, a movie, man. This is going to be good. You were so excited. Fuck yeah, a movie, man.

This is going to be good. I'm going to get some pleasure out of this. As opposed to this normal nonsense with this asshole just droning on. It was also like sex ed when no one was comfortable enough to present the material. They'd be like, all right, now we're going to watch some breaches. I don't think we had sex ed. I don't think I ever had sex ed. I don't think I did in Massachusetts.

I don't believe they taught us sex ed. I really don't. I don't think I did in Massachusetts. I don't believe they taught us sex ed. I really don't remember. A goddamn thing. They didn't show that projector movie of like, your body, the penis is good against the chin. Maybe they did and I blocked it out. But I don't remember out of my four years of Newton South High School, I don't remember anybody telling me anything about sex.

Not a fucking peep. It was just nonsense. Just droning on. Become a part of the machine. Submit. You are a round peg. You are not a square peg. I also remember a lot of school was watching movies and they were all made by Disney.

Do you remember that? And now, The Natural Forest. Sponsored by Disney. And it was like, wait, did Disney raise me back then, too? If you raise kids with fascinating documentaries, they would learn so much more. I've learned so much more from documentaries. As long as it's verifiable, if it's like a legit documentary, you can get a little crazy and find some documentaries on worms, those flying worms in the air. That is one of the greatest things ever.

Do you know about this? No. There was a guy who was absolutely convinced that there was these things, he called them rods, and they were flying around us too fast for us to see and that you could only capture these things on videotape, that the human eye was incapable of registering because they were going so fast and that they looked like almost like jellyfish with winged appendages this guy spent

years and years on this shit and made documentaries about it had a website dedicated to it and then monster quest found out that these things were just video artifacts when bugs flew too close to the lens. So this guy, his whole life, he had dedicated to a video artifact. Oh, God. And he thought there was these flying, tubular, like, fluorescent-looking, or not fluorescent, but translucent-looking things flying to the air.

Imagine the stress and, like, obligation to society this guy felt only to find out that it's a video artifact. He thought they were aliens. They were flying around us. We just can't register them. It's like those flares and pictures that people think are ghosts. There's obvious proof what they are, but yet people still

are like, no, no, no. How fascinating was Pinch Beck saying that ghosts were real? I didn't get raped, by the way. I wanted to put that on record. I offered the ghost to rape my ass all night. Oh, you're talking about your ghost story. Yeah,'t get raped. I didn't get raped, by the way. I wanted to put that on record. I offered the ghost to rape my ass all night. Oh, you're talking about your ghost story. Yeah, no ghost raped me that night. We had a guy on the other day that was absolutely convinced

that ghosts were real. He's so smart in every other way. And I'm like, wow, ghosts? Really? Ghost stories? There is some weird stuff out there, though. Meaning, one of the reasons I ended up going to something with Princeton undergrad, but one of the reasons I wanted to go, which I didn't tell people because I thought they'd make fun of me, meaning one of the reasons I ended up going to, uh, so with Princeton undergrad, but one of the reasons I wanted to go, which I didn't tell people because I thought they'd

make fun of me was because of a lab called the scientific anomalies laboratory. I'm not making this up. And they had statisticians, mathematicians looking at stuff like Bigfoot remote, not Bigfoot, uh, huge, yeah. Remote viewing. Exactly. So they looked at remote viewing really closely. And, uh, professor John, who ran this entire research lab, gave his wrap-up speech before they closed, like the year I landed at school.

And he was talking about, for example, with the remote viewing, for people who don't know what it is, you have a transmitter who goes out with a field team. Then you have a receiver in a room with a pad of paper and a recorder, the job of the transmitter, they choose one of five envelopes, they get GPS coordinates, they go to that location, and then they take the imagery and they transmit it to the person who's supposed to be the receiver. And what they found with one location is an example. The drawings came back very consistent with the best receivers, but they were at a gas station.

It wasn't, I think it was a gas station. It wasn't a gas station in the picture, and they couldn't identify what it was, and it ended up being barracks that had been destroyed like 120 years ago or something like that. Pretty wild shit. And it was an accurate depiction of these things? The drawings were consistent, and it was an accurate depiction.

Doesn't the government employ a bunch of people to... I listen to Art Bell, Coast to Coast AM. That's where I get my information. But I've heard on several occasions that the government has employed people to be remote viewers. Oh, yeah, for submarines in particular, yeah. Really? Yeah. So there's something to it.

There's like Sarnoff International, a bunch of research institutes that have been funded by the government for that particular purpose. And I think that the math is compelling. I mean, the data are compelling. So you look at, for example, they had this huge, it looked like a pachinko machine. I saw it in person. So if you see these Japanese pinball machines, they're vertical and they have these pins. And then these small steel balls bounce down, you have to get them in somewhere. And this thing is about 10 feet high, maybe 5 feet wide, and the objective of the person who was the subject was simply to get the balls to deviate to the left or right-hand column. That's all you had to do.

And so they ran thousands and thousands and thousands of trials looking at what is an effect telekinesis. And they were able to show that with a p-value, a significance value, that was very compelling. There's almost no way you can attribute this to chance if you crunch all the data. Pretty wild stuff, but it doesn't mean I can move stuff around with my eyes. We actually talked about this very recently, the idea of being able to watch something and that the observer actually changes the particles, changes subatomic particles

and changes the way they interact with their environment. If that's happening on some level, somewhere on a very small level, it must be an ethic that permeates through the whole thing. We probably just are slowly evolving and developing this ability to ultimately alter everything around us. Right now, we're in this fishy arm-leg crawling out of the water stage. We're just like those freaky things that made their way out of the ocean

and became land animals. I think that there's a lot of evolution left. I think the physical side, obviously, gets sort of cut off once you have all the creature comforts and Maslow's Hierarchy handled. Then you don't have to breed for physical fitness necessarily. But I think certainly with toxins and whatnot, that's going to force people to evolve. Environmental toxins and estrogen or endocrine disruptors and all that.

They're going to figure out a way to do everything that you and I do in the gym in a fucking shot. It's going to be real simple. We're just going to program your body to operate at this level. You don't need to go to the gym. You don't need to do anything. You're going to walk around looking like Aquaman.

That's what's going to happen. They're going to laugh at people that lift weights. Why, you fucking dummy? Why didn't you just take the shot? Just go take a shot. I've seen some pretty wild stuff with gene therapy in the course of doing the 4-Hour Body and meeting with all these athletes. I've written about. I've seen some pretty wild stuff with gene therapy in the course of doing the four-hour body and meeting with all these athletes. I mean, I've written about how I've used

GH and anabolics and different things post-surgery, among other times. But the most fascinating thing I saw, which I think is probably the most dangerous also, is interleukin and gene therapy. I know one guy, I won't mention him, this is actually an MMA fighter, ended up going to China to have gene therapy performed and used interleukin therapy, gained almost 40 pounds of muscle in one month. And that was with no change to his training or diet, gene therapy. So what they do is they'll take, let's say... 40 pounds of muscle in a month?

Yeah. How does his heart not explode? Right. How does his heart all of a sudden working for 40 extra pounds? No, exactly. So there are a lot of risks involved. Of course, he's also taking things like GH, IGF-1, et cetera. Vitamin D.

Vitamin D. But what's fascinating about the gene therapy, and you can also use vector-based viruses to increase muscle synthesis in specific areas of the body. So the hope is, of course, that that doesn't then malfunction and lead your heart or intestines to hypertrophy because Cause then you end up looking like some of these pro bodybuilders who are like six months pregnant. Yeah. Whoa. That's so weird. Yeah. Just to like word to the wise, if you're going to use, uh, something like GH and there's,

there are definitely places to do that. Uh, you know, watch the dosages. Cause if you have organ growth, that's not going to reverse as muscular growth or hypertrophy would. But after my reconstructive shoulder surgery, I used high-frequency, low-dose growth hormones twice a day, six days a week. And would absolutely do it again in a heartbeat. Absolutely. No reservations whatsoever. But yeah. That's just step one.

What this is, it's genetic manipulation at a very base level. It's like, we're just adding chemicals that don't, they don't make chemicals anymore. Hmm. Let's add them. We make our own and then we squirt them in there. And then the glands don't know what the fuck's going on. Like why is there this? That's why dudes like in MMA fighters, there's several different occurrences of this where guys are very young and they have to get on testosterone. And it could be a natural issue. It could be something happened to them when they were young and their testicles never fully developed.

Or it could be that they took steroids and they shocked the fucking shit out of their system to the point where your balls shut down. That happens to dudes. It's pretty common, Matt. Super common, especially if you're doing a black market and you don't have proper post-cycle therapy and you don't know how to use, let's say, Clomid or one of these. Right. You don't know what the fuck you're doing. And you don't go to a doctor.

You don't go to a doctor. You don't know your blood levels. And then you stop cold turkey. Yeah, that's stupid. It's stupid. And you see a lot of incidences also where it appears that testosterone, the molecule of testosterone binds with, let's say in some cases, dopamine receptors. So when people take antidepressants, also serotonin is involved, antidepressants plus

testosterone really can be a really nasty combo. Whoa. Yeah. So you see these cases of, let's say, supposed roid rage or people committing suicide, they blame it on anabolics. It's actually the combination of, let's say, an anti-anxiety or anti-depressive with the anabolic. I know guys who are on both. It's dangerous.

And they're dangerous guys, too. Yeah. God. I'm not dangerous. Brian's been on the juice for a couple months now. I'm trying to turn him into a man. I take him to the squat rack every day after the show. Oh, God.

It makes my vagina hard. Yeah. Like a rat. Just take him to the squat rack every day after the show. Oh, God. Makes my vagina hard. Yeah, like a rat. Just fucking shows in the toilet. Just started. The genetic manipulation that we're doing, though, with adding testosterone or adding estrogen or adding anything is nothing compared to what it's going to be like when they figure that shit out at a genetic level, when they know how to engineer the body, you know, and they figure out how to make your cells literally become 20 year old cells. They, they bring your whole body to a state of where it was when you were at your peak of youth. That's so possible, man. They're so close to that. They're within a lifetime in our lifetime.

By the time we, you know know grow old and die they're gonna have figured out a way that no one grows I think they're within ten years of figuring a lot of that out so crazy you're gonna have like old ladies that also become hot again do you know how badass that would be that shit yeah if there was this oh Jesus don't be mean don't be mean yeah she was you're good I know you're talking about oh if you like there was an old lady and she lived on your block and she was all hunched over and shit and then over the course of like a couple of months all of a sudden her posture came back

her ass started sticking out and she started turning into a young woman again she was a 50 year old kind of semi hot lady and then all of a sudden, the next couple of weeks, she's a 40-year-old hot lady, and you're like, what the fuck is going on? It would be fine if it fixed everything. Next thing you know, she's this 80-year-old mind, but with this hot 20-year-old body. That would be awesome. Motherfucker.

That marriage is threatened from both ends of the spectrum. My husband left me for an 80-year-old. An 80-year-old immortal. If it made the vagina and everything grow back to a young age, it would be perfect.

Like a hot body. Well, the whole body. It wouldn't just leave the vagina out. Or teeth. We've got good news and bad news. The good news is

you could be 20 again. The bad news is your vagina has to stay 90. Yeah, but would it do teeth? Would it do teeth? Would it do, like, bowel cyst syndrome? Is she going to be a hot chick that's pooping all the time because she can't control her poop? Why? Is it going it do teeth? Would it do teeth? Would it do like bowel cysts and syndrome? Is she going to be a hot chick that's pooping all the time because she can't control her poop?

Why? Is it going to do everything? Well, yeah. If it does your whole body, it makes your whole body younger. Whatever issues you have that are age-related will go away because you won't have hormonal deficiencies anymore. You know what would be funny, though, is if she still liked hard candy and pie. She was a hot, young chick, but she liked old rhubarb pies. you're like well i like rhubarb pie but all right well creepy food then like mashed up carrots like she says i just love mashed up carrots with my vitamins you know

like she had all the behaviors of an 80 year old yeah i wonder if she was super hot but still using a walker with the tennis balls right still like to watch more when you When you see people that are cranky and old, old shitty people, the reason most of them are like that is because their life is miserable. Their body feels like shit. It's falling apart. Every day is just, I got to fuck off my lawn. But if you all of a sudden gave them gene therapy and their body became 20, I wonder if their behavior would revert to a 20-year-old behavior again.

Just, you know, obviously a little more experienced but yeah you would right you wouldn't be that would be your like almost erasing memories then why because that's your your it's you're saying that you're getting younger so it's going you're going to act younger that's meaning like you're just forgetting that you're not old no no you would still have experience you'd still have life experience but you would have you'd be a lot of what people do. They fucking, woo. A lot of that is just extra energy that you have. You know, a lot of, a lot of dumb shit that young people do is just, they're all charged up with life. You know, they're charged up with life and all day long, they're either stuck behind a desk or some unnatural thing for their body. And then when they get out at night they want to fuck that it's just it's like you know it's firing it off as you get older you have less and less of that shit you know the only time you see like a 50 year old guy going he's like when he's just about to get arrested you know he has to be so drunk he's already punched somebody do you know who i am stage when they're

dragging him out you motherfucker you know my cousin is yeah there's you know that's that's that's your life energy that you know it's not just being clueless there's also this bursting inferno of shit inside you because you're 20 years old your body's alive i think with the uh with the reversal of some of the symptoms of aging looking at telomeres and all that stuff i think a lot of it will be combined with regenerative medicine. So I know some guys who are printing, I mean, I've seen them print heart cells and lung cells and so forth. So my, my theory is that if you can keep your neural, your neurological functioning, um, and, and at a high level and mitigate stuff like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, et cetera, that you'll ultimately be able to get a replacement for just

about anything else. So the simplest, uh, the simplest approach, and this has been looked at for a decade or more, is creatine monohydrate, actually, five grams a day for staving off Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Creatine? There are clinical studies. You can go on PubMed or Medline and look them up. They've done a lot of research. How much? What is the dosage?

Very low, like five grams. You can get crealcone and creatine to prevent the water retention. So I had read something. Creatine, you know, like people would always say that it makes you gain water, and people would say that it's not good for your liver. But then I read online there's no evidence that it's not good for your liver. There's no evidence it's bad for you. I'm like, well, where did that come from?

Where did the rumor come from? Was that the pharmaceutical companies or something? What is that? No, I think it started with... Wives tales? It started with a few things. I think the first is that if you have a preconditioning kidney problem... So it's a kidney issue?

Yeah, but then here's what happens is then people substitute, let's say at one point in the form or a thread, liver. And so you hear about the liver a lot, but it's actually not affected. Oh, I see. With the creatine, as long as you don't have renal insufficiency or some really major kidney issue i really it's one of the most innocuous supplements you could take from my perspective i really don't think it will cause much problem i just take that shit before google that's the problem took it before google i thought it actually was bad for you people like dude that fucking creatine's bad

for your liver it's like I'm like oh it is Shit Is there something you can just Oh I know Before you can do any fact checking Creatine is like It makes you gain weight I gained a lot of weight

I gained like five pounds of muscle Using this stuff It really does make you gain weight Because it makes Somehow or another Your body retains more water And your cells are mostly water So it just makes your cells bigger

You actually get physically larger Sodium cocksucker Sodium cocksucker What Sodium cocksucker. What was I going to ask you? You were talking about teluromes. What is the... Telomeres. Telomeres.

Do you know about TA65? Yeah. Is that bullshit? What is that? It's not necessarily bullshit. I just don't think it... Explain to people what it is. So, yeah, TA65 is an approach to elongating or protecting the deterioration of the caps of telomeres.

So this is related to sort of chromosomal aging. And TA65 is expensive. I don't know what the prices are now, but it's an approach that is supposed to be, at least in rodents, they've demonstrated it, able to extend the functional lifespan of your telomeres. Like, that's a good way. If you look at telomeres and how they slowly shorten over time, you could almost think of it like rings on a tree, right? So just in the opposite direction,

like the shorter your telomeres are, the closer you are to your endpoint. TA65, my feeling is there hasn't been enough wide scale testing that I would feel comfortable using it myself. I'm exceptionally comfortable, let's say, using moderate, responsible use of anabolics of different types, depending on your thyroid, potentially thyroid,

and then combining that with creatine and a few other things. But personally, I would not use TA-65 at this point. I don't know. I know one guy who used it, but I only know him online. I know him in real life, but his dad started using it. His dad started getting really good results with it. He stopped using it. He just tried it.

He said he didn't feel like it was doing anything for him. But his dad, apparently, who's an older guy, it's helping him see better. I have a buddy who's using it and he's a CEO in Silicon Valley and he said that he's noticed gray hair turning black again and things like that. Whoa. Does he have a crystal on his neck?

No. This is an engineer type. He's no BS. For me, I'm happy to wait like if this stuff works as people say it works well if i wait three years it doesn't matter right right right good point i'll let those beta testers you know throw fucking horns or whatever and i'll be like yeah yeah they didn't tell you about the horns turn into chimpanzees t65 is interesting though i mean what's also interesting is lobsters people look at lobsters to study life extension

because they don't exhibit any of the normal signs of aging so there are people who believe that they would live for hundreds and hundreds of years if they weren't caught and killed really? what is the oldest one we've ever observed? I don't know, it's a good question we should all start taking lobster oil or something

that's the next thing, lobster oil. I remember being high as fuck once at Morton's, you know, at Morton's Steakhouse. They walk by with the cart, and they show you, this is the prime, you know, USDA sirloin cut, and, you know, you can have it with this and that. And then he holds up the lobster, and the lobster's moving, and I'm barbecued.

I'm sitting there with Eddie Bravo, and we're both going, look at that motherfucker. Look at that alien thing that he's holding up. Like, how does that fucking soulless, emotionless creature, that giant bug that lives in the ocean, and he's holding on to it. He doesn't even need to be in water. Can you imagine the first guy who's like, I'm going to eat this? Like, the first guy who pulls that up in front of the villagers, he's like, yeah, you guys,

I've had enough to drink. I'm going to eat this. That's a bold motherfucker. Speaking of documentaries, I'd be curious. Do you have any particular top favorites? Wow. All-time favorites? The Corporation

was one of my all-time favorites. I've heard this is good. That's a disturbing fucking documentary. Enron, the smartest guys in the room. That was a really good one. Burn, motherfucker, burn when California's going disturbing fucking documentary. Enron, the smartest guys in the room. That's a good doc. That was a really good one. Burn, motherfucker, burn when California's going down. Unbelievable.

God, it wasn't there. It was pretty good. Yeah, that's a good one. Food Incorporated. Food Incorporated is very disturbing. Have you guys seen Man on Wire? No, I haven't seen that one. That's about the tightrope walker, right?

Yeah, about the guys who sneak into the World Trade Center and then tightrope walk across to the other tower. Oh, there's the two towers. Oh, my God. Did he really? Yeah. And he made it? Yeah, they have video.

It's awesome. Jesus. That hurts my dick just sitting here thinking about it. Oh, yeah. He not only walked across it, he stayed up there for like 30 minutes or something. He actually laid down on the wire then stood back up on the stuff.

Oh, my God. That was hard to watch. The balance that these fucking guys have, the limits of human physicality, we really truly don't. No one has really sort of actualized the full potential of all the human athletic abilities, like gymnastics and basketball and track and field and fighting. Eventually, will people live long enough so one person could be like a master at all sports and all games and all things all starts with life extension that's why a lot of the

the sort of singularity focused or just life extension focused uh tech ceos guys who've made hundreds of millions of dollars they're pouring it into these startups they think will be able to make them live forever because that's what they see as their rate limiting step for learning all this stuff. Well, yeah. I mean, if you really think about it, if you could live to be a thousand years old, how many languages would you learn? How many books would you read? How many things would you be into? How many things would you, you know, I mean, I don't believe you ever truly master anything. You know, you master a certain level of proficiency, but there's always levels.

There's always levels above. There's always more to learn. But how amazing would it be to be able to accumulate a thousand years' worth of information? But then again, maybe you're just wasting your time spinning your wheels here in this stupid dimension, you know, and that once we pop through to the next thing, we're like, why would we waste any of our fucking time?

You were just playing with blocks in kindergarten. Just constrained by the monkey ego, tied into this fucking caveman body, you know, living with all these other savages shooting missiles at each other. You know, that's really what's going on. For sure, one day, thousands of years from now, the we study Sumer We study Mesopotamia And we see the pictures of the carriages And how they rode into battle with fucking Sticks with big pieces of metal On the end of the sticks

And how we go, look at these fucking retards They're going to look at us like that too For sure, 100% No doubt about it It's impossible to avoid I don't think we're I don't know man Do you wonder what's impossible to avoid. Yeah, I don't think we're... I don't know, man. Do you wonder what's going to happen between all this stuff?

Because the life extension, if it actually becomes something mainstream and popular, well, what the fuck, man? No one's going to die, and there's going to be way too many of us almost immediately. I think we'll have a pandemic in the next three years. Do you think so? Really? Yeah.

I think that whether it's... How do you come up with three years? I think so really yeah i think that whether it's whether it is naturally three years uh i just i just think that if you look at the population density and the uh the technological capabilities and the cost of biotech so i had for example i had a friend of mine he runs a publicly traded biotech company he said i have 100 of the best scientists in the world if we wanted to end the world like we could do it absolutely it's like give us six months we could and we could engineer a you know a virus containing a b and c that would be communicable just like the common cold we'd seed it in three or four metropolitan areas end of story he had a great

idea what if you infuse the common cold with lsd so that people, as people, was that your idea or Duncan's? I think it was Duncan. Duncan's idea? So that as you get the cold, you also trip your fucking balls off and you could literally get a whole state sick with LSD. Is that possible? Well, you'd have to find something that was either replicable by virus or by bacteria. I'm sure there's something out there.

Maybe it's something naturally occurring like 5-MeO-DMT or something like that as opposed to, you know, lethargic. It's going to be Starbucks. That's all it's going to be. Well, the thing I would think about, the reason why acid would be a good one is because it's so small. You need such a small amount of it to affect you. You could do it.

I think that you do need a very small amount. If you were using, let's say, 5-MeO-T, I'd say you could get away with as little as 2 milligrams. And particularly if it self-replicates. So let's say the virus is tiny itself, but then it builds up to an active dose by replication in your body. Then you just need the very, like the cedar to start. 5-MeO DMT is a crazy thing to get people sick with, though. the cedar to start. 5-MeO DMT is a crazy thing to get people sick with because in acid, when you have

acid, you know, as far as I understand, you're still sort of there. The big thing about the 5-MeO DMT experience is you don't exist anymore. You stop being there. You go to some other place. You feel like your

consciousness leaves your body and enters into some other place. So you wouldn't be paying attention to your body at all, which is really dangerous to get people sick that way. Oh, yeah. If you engineered that, you engineered some sort of a cold that gets people to just drop to the ground in DMT trips, that's just rude. Yeah. Right? That's crossed a line. Well, I guess it depends on what your objectives are for seeding a state with LSD.

Enlightenment. Yeah. Yeah, you can do that. It sounds ridiculous because most people use it for recreational purposes, but I think any sort of a mass ego-erasing experience like that could only help people. Look, September 11th was a terrible thing that happened. It was horrible.

I knew people that died there. I've talked to people that saw bodies hit in the ground. Renizzisi was in that building. But what it did do, and it was really strange, was made everybody really nice for a while. Everybody was really friendly and neighborly. And there was a real sense in New York of everybody being together in a way that I never felt there before. New York was always like, don't look at me, fuck you, out of my way. There was always this thing that happens when you have this diffusion of responsibility because the population numbers are so high.

It just, you get this non-feeling and friendly environment, you know? It's impossible to interact with everyone, so you just fucking put your blinders on, you press ahead. But that terrible experience was ego-dissolving in a lot of ways. to interact with everyone so you just fucking put your blinders on you you press ahead but that that terrible experience was ego dissolving in a lot of ways and it humbled a lot of people and it made people appreciate life and it made people appreciate all the other the people around them and it was a fucking terrible terrible tragedy but what a beautiful time i had right after that tragedy in new york i remember i was there like a few months later and I was like, wow, everybody's so cool.

I hope this sticks. That's all I remember thinking. Like, I hope this sticks, man. I hope people realize, you know, we should all be like this. We should all be like brothers and sisters and friendly to each other. And firefighters should get laid. There should be chicks that are fucking trying to blow firefighters. They're all fired up, you know, because for a while, firefighters were fucking rock stars

in New York. to blow firefighters are all fired up you know because for a while firefighters were fucking rock stars in new york and then eventually just fucking died off and you got a few fucking older firefighters with young guy haircuts you talk about the glory days of september 11 you know they're like 50 now bro i was 40 i was just divorced okay i'm just walking around everywhere i go with my fire hat on i didn't even bother taking it off. They're just diving on my dick, yo. Did they have a 9-11 firefighter calendar? Like a sexy calendar? They must have. They had to, right? Yeah, they must have. They had to.

Right? The gay community capitalizes on things like that. This is Tony over at Unit 14. Yeah. The ego dissolving, though, is important. Yeah, it's huge. Well, you know this, but you can definitely engineer it uh i've i've always uh well once a year i do high dose mushrooms psilocybin as a reset uh it's around my birthday at home with two or three of my closest friends we always have a sitter we always have somebody who's smoking pot or otherwise

semi-coherent to watch people make sure they can handle their weed too you know why everybody just always have a sitter you always have somebody who's smoking pot or otherwise semi coherent to watch people make sure they can handle their weed too you know why everybody just smoking pot by themselves it's freaking out you need a veteran yeah no paranoia and uh but that reset really i think strips away the superficial layers of manufactured need and so forth and allows you to look at problems that are very easy to overcomplicate when you intellectualize things or rationalize. So you accept whether it is a bad relationship or whatever it might be. And the afterglow effect that I felt after each of these resets, and each one has been transformative in solving one or two major problems in my life,

is there's this afterglow effect uh afterglow effect of supreme clarity in terms of your priorities and values for a few months for me it really lasts a long time i'm taking serious quantities but how many grams uh i don't know the grams i've done it sort of eyeball portioning but i would say like a half a gallon let's see what ziploc bags like gallons that right like half of that whoa that's a lot of fucking shoc bags are gallons of that, right? Like half of that. Whoa! That's a lot of fucking shrooms, or are you getting really bad shrooms?

Probably a combination of two, but I mean, it's time travel. You're not, you don't function properly. What do you think the weight of that is? I really don't know. That sounds like a half ounce. A friend of mine used to grow really extensively, so we've never actually, I've never seen him weigh anything.

I've just started with a visual. They always tell you you should weigh it, so you know what you're doing. I accidentally took, I think, six or seven grams recently, and it was the closest to death that I've ever felt on mushrooms. It was to the point where it felt like I was poisoned on this, where I was puking up. How much do you fuck with the isolation tank? I've never been in an isolation tank. I've been dying to do it. I actually had Charlie, who works with me, find locations in San Francisco.

This was a few months ago. And then I had to take off for travel and wasn't able to do it. But I've been dying to do isolation tanks for a long time. to do it but i've been dying to do isolation tanks for a long time and wanted to have also i wanted to do it extremely clear in terms of sobriety and then i want to try uh something with visual hallucinations in the isolation tank to see yeah get comfortable with the tank experience first go sober for sure i always tell everybody if you can go sober unless you're a marijuana jedi unless you're just one of those dudes that gets high and does everything and I'm like go ahead go in there

get in there it's not going to hurt you. But if you're just like a regular dude who works a regular job and doesn't get high all day every day go sober I always say. And then when you do it you've got to get comfortable with the experience to get good at it. And by get good at it there's certain things in life that take a while to get

used to like ju Jitsu for example. You're fucking getting in there and wrestling full blast with other grown men. You're sweating in each other's eyes. Dudes will be on top of you and their armpit sweat will drip in your face. And you just deal with that because that's a part of Jiu Jitsu. And it's one

of those things where once you've been doing Jiu Jitsu for 10 years, when you get on the mat and you just tap hands with people and you start sparring, it's a normal thing because you're so used to this weird, fucked up experience. You put yourself in this sort of Zen state, even though this is a bizarre experience for most people. Well, the tank in that it's so alien that this time where your body doesn't move at all is so bizarre to you. Like we're constantly shifting our weight. Even when we sleep, we're moving around. We're reacting to gravity.

We're reacting to the pillow on our neck. You know, you're always, there's input that's coming in. It's the only time where there's no input. And it's so hard to just manage that. It's so hard to just relax. Because you'll start coming up with fake things. Like, my dick itches. Fuck, should I itch my dick? And you'll start thinking, like, I could just itch that it's so hard to just relax because you'll start coming up with fake things like my dick itches fuck you start thinking like i could just itch my dick but then i'm gonna get salty

water on my dick and then it's gonna itch some more it takes a long time it takes a bunch of different uses till you get to where like when i go in that thing that's my home man i'm so used to that thing i close that door i lie back and i go I lie back and I go, let's find out what's up. Let's find out what's up. Let's see what's up. And I never go in sober anymore. I'm always blitzed when I get in there because I just feel like marijuana, especially high doses, make you very, very sensitive, very sensitive. And it makes you very, you contemplate things you might not have contemplated. My mind is always racing in a million different directions, thinking about things. And there's nothing

like the isolation tank to enhance that. Because when you have nothing coming into your mind from the body, the body is sending no signals. Like all of a sudden you have radio silence and the mind is on its own. The mind without any sensory input is fucking

super powered, man. In a way that it's very difficult to describe because nobody ever experiences it. It's the only environment like that in the world where there's nothing coming in. And it is beyond bizarre to me that more people aren't aware of this fucking thing. I mean, I've been talking about it for years. We put videos up about it and people come to me about it and they ask me like, dude, tell me about the isolation deck. I'm like, how could I possibly be an expert in this fucking thing?

All right, all I am is just some dude who has one who uses it. How are there not scientists that are studying the benefits of this shit and pushing it to everyone as stress relief, as a clarity device, as a device for objective reasoning and thinking and creativity? Every artist should have one. Every athlete should have creativity. Every artist should have one. Every athlete should have one. Every fighter should have one. Anybody where you need deep, intense thought without distraction, you don't even fucking know what that is until you get in that isolation tank.

You've got to get in there. That's why I've been pestering the shit out of you to see it. I've never actually even seen one. You've never seen one. Well, mine's different than anyone you've ever seen because mine's a custom-made one by Float Labs. There's one company in Venice that makes the very best in the world. They're FloatLabs.com.

No question about it. They make the best equipment. And the guy, Crash, who builds it, is a freak. He's the mad scientist of isolation tanks. He's actually come up with this new device. You would love this guy. He's right up your alley. I want to introduce you guys to each other because he's so fucking nuts. Super genius, brilliant, but nuts. And his latest thing

is he's got this screen that he's developed for use above the isolation tank and speakers that float in the water right next to your ears. So you center yourself in between these two speakers and then the screen emits so little light that you cannot see the edges. You cannot see the edges. You cannot see anything except the image because you're in complete pitch blackness when you're in that tank. So anything is visual. Anything is visible. So it's the lowest amount of light physically possible for these things.

So literally the image is just floating in space in front of you with no other distractions. And apparently you can learn like a motherfucker this way. You retain an incredible amount of information. You have all these, the access to all this resources of your mind that are usually thinking about like, man, my ass is fucking uncomfortable. And should I take my wallet out of my back pocket? Or these shoes suck and I got a hole in my sock. All this information that keeps constantly coming into the mind about just social things and noises. There's none of that in there.

There's none of that in there. Just this floating image. So he's dedicated a considerable amount of time over the last three years. He keeps talking to me about it. I'm not interested in it because to me, what's fascinating about the isolation tank is the quiet and solitude. And I want to go in. I don't want to see things and i want to go in i want i don't want to i don't want to see things right i want to go in i want to i want to explore the mind

i want to explore possible directions of consciousness whether or not you can control that shit you know how much of your your thought and how much of creativity you can control that's all i'm concerned with that's why i like to use the thing but if you wanted to use it as an educational tool, it would be fucking incredible. It'd be great. Have you played around with lucid dreaming at all? This is a very interesting subject because we just started selling this stuff called alpha brain. And what alpha brain is, it's a nootropic and it's basically a bunch of different naturally occurring chemicals, things from plants and what have you, and synthesize things that are supposed to enhance cognitive function. So we put it out, and it makes me feel clearer how much of that is a placebo effect.

I'm more than willing to admit that I don't know, because the placebo effect is a phenomenal thing. And on top of it, it's been proven that the placebo effect actually can work even on people who know it's a placebo. So it's a very bizarre and misunderstood thing. But the dreams lead me in my objective analysis of it to say there's something very clear that's happening. The dreams are much more vivid and they're lucid. I'm having lucid dreams all the time. And on top of that, I remember a good deal of them when I wake up, which is pretty rare. I'm in the middle of dreams and I just stop and I go, whoa, I'm in the middle of a dream now. And

I'm not even close to waking up. Like this is weird because a lot of times I'd be in the middle of a dream and go, fucking, this is amazing. Oh my God, I'm a dreamer. Oh, I'm awake. I freak out that I'm dreaming and I just, I blow the illusion amazing. Oh, my God, I'm a dreamer. Oh, I'm awake. Yeah. It pops you out right away. I freak out that I'm dreaming, and I just blow the illusion away. But with this stuff, for whatever reason, when I take these alpha brain pills, especially at night, I wake up while I'm having these lucid dreams, and I'm able to stay in the dream. They say it's choline. Do you know anywhere that? Yeah, so the acetylcholine, the neurotransmitter, moderates a lot of this. And I'm wondering if your product has huperzine A in it.

Yes. Okay, so huperzine A is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor. So the ACE, if you've ever seen that again. Let me grab you one. I'll show you what it is. Yeah, so the ACE, like acetylcholinesterase, is something that breaks down acetylcholine. So if it's an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, it means it allows acetylcholine to last longer. So it pretty much stays awake longer.

It's more active. Yeah, it increases, and I may get some of the technicalities wrong, but the half-life of acetylcholine. So huperzine A is really fascinating. Can you actually read that a little? Yeah, sure. I can't read that shit at all. Wow, yeah, this is challenging font. GPC choline, yeah, huperzia serrata. So that's the 0.5% Hooper Zina.

That definitely will help. Vimpocetine or Vimpocetine, also very cool. I used to have this in the product that I used to make back in the day. Well, dude, take one of those and tell me what you think of it. Because I've been giving it to my friends, and every single one of them has had positive experiences with it. I really do think it makes my mind seem clearer. If people are interested, we sell it at onnit.com, O-N-N-I-T.com.

We sold out of all of our orders in the first couple of weeks of August. We sort of underestimated the amount of demand for this stuff, but it works. I swear it works. I shit you not, I wouldn't be talking about this. When I tell people if I'm selling something works. I shit you not, I wouldn't be talking about this. And it's one of, you know, when I tell people if I'm selling something

or if I'm promoting something, I guarantee you 100% I believe it. You might not agree with me, you might say it doesn't work, but I would never bullshit you. Never. And this stuff, to me,

I feel it does something to me. I feel it allows my mind to function at a smooth and energetic level. It feels good. Yeah, the ingredients make sense. I used to, I got started with the smart drug stuff in college. I decided to use the FDA personal importation policy to bring in paracetam, hydrogene, vasopressin, all of these drugs from Europe to test on myself for learning purposes.

And one of them, vasopressin, is used as an anti-diuretic hormone in kids. If they're older and they wet the bed, they start using this nasal spray, which is vasopressin. What's fascinating about it is part of the reason if some people feel that they experience, say, memory loss with alcohol if they drink too much is it depletes you of vasopressin, which is necessary for short-term memory. Some types of pot also. But if you jack, if you squirt vasopressin into each nostril, what I was able to do is before Chinese character tests, we would have these character quizzes,

and I could literally take two shots, one in each nostril, flip through the characters. It has a very short effect. Then 10 minutes later, score 98 plus on these recall tests. Oh, holy shit. Really wild shit. What is the shelf? What is the active life of it, though?

It's very, very short. Here's the thing. Half hour? Yeah, something like that, I would guess. Actually, it probably lasts longer, but the learning effect that i experienced was very short like 30 minutes but since it's anti-diuretic i mean it doesn't as a parent wouldn't do you very much good to have your kid not piss for 30 minutes and then just wet the bed so i'm imagining it lasts longer uh but the the other one what is the what is the what's going on though why is it allow you to memorize? So my understanding, and somebody who's listening can probably do a better job on Google of getting the details off Wikipedia or wherever,

but vasopressin, my understanding is that it is a hormone that is necessary for short-term memory. So the actual formation of the short-term memory, which is all biologically limited. And I think we are very optimistic about how much we know about the brain. I think that it's, I mean, we'll have to rewrite it all in five years probably, but most people think of short-term, you have working memory, short-term memory, long-term memory. For that transfer to short-term to long-term, once it makes that jump, you're good to go. So it's not like when I stopped using vasopressin, I lost those memories. As long as I repeated it, used intelligent spaced repetition to repeat it at some point before I lost it, uh, with like the

Ebbinghaus curve and all of that. So, uh, Pimsleur, if people are interested, Pimsleur is the guy who looked very closely at this. What's that spelled? P-I-M-S-L-E-U-R. And they have a lot of language programs based on, on his methodology methodology i find it really slow i think they're faster ways to do it but the vasopressin and then hydrogen i found to have a really favorable sort of effect to side effect ratio uh whereas the vimpostine i didn't see anything from some of the really strong stuff like modafinil have you seen have you i don't know yeah i try that vimpostine how do you say it uh Uh, Vim, Vim, uh, yeah. Oh no, there's, there's a, yeah.

So I think I'm, I might make, this is Vimpocetine right here, which is in this. I've tried that on its own and I didn't, didn't really feel anything with it. You'll feel a lot if you, and I don't recommend this, but what it does is it sensitizes you to other things, which is part of the reason why it makes sense to have in small doses and a product like this, uh, which is why I which is why I'm happy to pop one of these, but I'm going to wait about 30 minutes because I know that the blood caffeine concentration I have right now, if I combine it with vimposity, I'll be fucking ricocheting off the walls. Really?

Give me that. Let me try that. Yeah, I want one. Let's try that and see what happens. That's interesting. I wish I could be like you. I wish I could seem like you have everything exactly planned out. You know what, this will happen to your body.

You seem so in touch with your body that you know everything. Brian, listen, I love you, but you're a man-child. No, but I mean, most of the most fittest people and the smartest people aren't connected to their body as much as you are. We're going to take an experiment. I'm going to need to grab some of your water then in that case. Sure. So I'll encourage everybody to listen carefully

as my word per minute rate goes through the roof. Yeah, cool. Thank you. Powerful drugs. Powerful, smart drugs. We have quite a combination of things going on. What? What's that? Oh, weed do? Yeah, we've got caffeine, weed, this stuff.

We've got a lot happening. We're experimenting with the mind. So at Onnit.com, we just started putting this stuff out, and the positive feedback has been fucking crazy, man. People love this shit. And I really... You can have that, man. I'm not going to drink out of it now.

It's a good choice. I've done a lot to myself yeah you traveled all over the world dude who knows what kind of exotic shit you brought back with you how did you get into this whole writing books and and and and you know and breaking things down you have so many internet speeches and so many different i mean i saw a fascinating one that you did on dating that i thought was very frank and honest. And, you know, it was like you had a really great analysis. And the analysis was that you don't put all your eggs in one basket in your life. You don't judge your own self-worth by one singular thing. And that's why you said

you're invested in athletics and knowledge and experience. And you have a bunch of different things you're interested in. So if something happens and some chance of fate, one thing goes wrong, you're not devastated. You're still an accomplished human being in all these different areas. But that so many people will get involved in relationships and from the get go, they will just grab one girl and just stick with this one. And you were like, date a few different women. It seems so self-evident, seems so obvious, but date more than one woman until you find the one you'd like the best. If you stick with one right off the bat, especially when you first know each other and you're both completely full of shit, especially when you're young. What 24-year-old

is really that person when you first start dating them? Especially guys, we're completely full of shit when we first start dating each other. We want them to like us, we want our best behavior, and then we slowly let our real personality come out. And I think your advice was something that a lot of people wouldn't say, because it makes you seem like you're a player, or it makes you seem like you're trying to be a sleazy guy. Look guys, I'm going to show you how to get laid. This is how it goes. Number one, what are you going to do?. This is how it goes. Number one, date other chicks, man.

What the fuck, bro? Why cut yourself short, bro? But you're saying exactly what that guy's saying. You're saying in a intelligent way, you've analyzed the situation. There's a clear way to eliminate a lot of the problems that people

run into and this is one of them. For me, I think that's part of the problems that people run into and this is one of them yeah and it's uh for me i think that's part of the reason i get so much shit online too is that i i if i have a strong opinion based on experiments or data or whatever i'll share it and then there's a lot that is then misconstrued from that or maybe i just come across like a dick i don't know it could be that too but the way this all started was uh i can help you there okay you don just come across like a dick. I don't know. It could be that too. But the way this all started was... I can help you there. You don't come across like a dick at all.

This is what you come across like. You come across like a confident guy who's smarter than me. And when I hear a guy talk like that, I'm like, oh, here's a guy that is well-read, knows a bunch of different fucking languages, thinks of things, and then goes after them, enjoys learning and information, travels the world. That makes me uncomfortable. That makes me uncomfortable.

And then you say date a bunch of different women. Oh, you fucking piece of shit. They're looking for something to do wrong with you. That's what it is. I mean, I'm not blowing smoke up your ass, but you're a young, smart guy with a lot of interest and that makes people upset. And if you try to put logic and attach logic to anything that involves men and women in

relationships, people will call you a piece of shit or a chauvinist or a player. That's what it is. Guy's trying to get laid. What happened there? Isn't that what everybody's trying to do? Isn't that why you're selling me fucking cars with chicks

in bikinis straddled on the hood? are you selling me here man you're selling me pussy and then if somebody actually likes pussy and they oh he goes after pussy what's he doing you fucking weak weak thing with your ego and oh he thinks he's a hot shit so you know chinese fuck you you know it's something about someone who's like out there just doing a bunch of shit while you're sitting at home with a beer in your lap you're like this fucking queer you know it's something about someone who's like out there just doing a bunch of shit while you're sitting at home with a beer in your lap you're like this fucking queer you know you just that's what it is that's the hate they're getting yeah there's a there's a big yeah there's a large contingent of people are convinced that i'm gay also really oh yeah yeah it goes both ways but

the you talk too smart you don't have enough flavor in your voice i've masked it i'm from long island originally man it took so long yeah you're a smart guy you you look look here's the You don't have enough flavor in your voice. I've masked it. I'm from Long Island originally, man. It took so long. Well, you're a smart guy. Look, here's the deal. I had a Boston accent. I had a Boston accent for a while. I got rid of my Boston accent.

I listened to myself on TV when I was 19 years old. I heard myself talking in an interview, and I was like, oh, my God, I sound like the biggest fucking moron. It was a Taekwondo tournament that I won, and I was on TV, and they're like, yeah, we've been working really hard. And I was like, are you listening to me? What is wrong with that? You can shake that shit loose. But, you know,

we obviously imitate our environment. And your environment over a big period of your life has been around thinkers and your environment has been around people that are like-minded and in these subjects that you're pursuing, that's why you sound like you're gay.

Fair enough. It's not that you sound like you're gay. You just sound like nobody they know. See? They don't know anybody like that. They don't know anybody super smart. I've made a lot of mistakes in a couple of narrow areas, and I think that allows me to talk. I use a lot of vocabulary in a few places,

but the writing part was totally accidental. Really? Yeah. I mean, I use a lot of vocabulary in a few places, but the writing part was totally accidental. Really? Yeah. I find writing really difficult. Well, this fucking book's giant, dude. Yeah, it's a big one. It's like a choose your own. Your body, his latest one. This is your latest one. This is a giant-ass book, son. It's a big one. Yeah, that was after cutting 150

pages, too, if you can believe it. Yeah, there's like 600 fucking pages in this thing. So, I promised myself after uh after college because my senior thesis almost killed me i actually took a year off of school in large part because this project became such a monster for me uh and i promised myself that i would never write anything longer than an email when i graduated and now you said that didn't work out very well but uh i knew i wanted to be a teacher because of a few people in my life who had a huge impact on me, like my wrestling coach, Mr. Buxton, Reverend Greenleaf, a number of others.

And I just wanted to have that impact on other people. But I felt like, all right, I'm going to have to go out in the real world, actually do something, and then I'll go back and teach. Probably in ninth grade, I think I was a really sensitive, malleable time. But when I stumbled across the writing stuff is because I was teaching a class twice a year. And one of the students in a feedback form said something along the lines of, I don't know why you're teaching 50 students in a class. You just write a book and be done with it. Like, ha, ha, ha. And I started gathering these notes because I had terrible insomnia at the time. And I would wake up and

I would just write down whatever I was thinking to go back to sleep. It wasn't to keep the notes. And these notes started piling up with sort of hypothetical chapters and this, that, and the other thing. And finally just asked a friend of mine who's a writer, I was like, is this full of shit or should I actually go for this? And he says, yeah, no, you should go for it. And he introduced me to four agents. Three of them turned me down flat. One was brand new but had a lot of experience in publishing, so he signed with me. He was very early stage.

And then 26 publishers turned it down, and 27th one took it. And then I was like, oh, shit, now I have to write a book. Wow. Yeah. Initial print run was like $9,000 or something like that. And what is the premise behind your first book is the four hour work week. What is the premise behind that? The premise behind that I'd say is twofold. The first is that the deferred life plan, i.e. a retirement based career planning model is fundamentally flawed in a number of ways,

fatally flawed, both financially, sort of numerically. and then also it's assuming you will live a long time, which is, I think, a really foolish way to spec out the next 20, 30 years of your prime physical lifetime. Second is that if you use a few approaches to analyzing your ideal lifestyle that you're reserving for retirement, you actually arrive at a number, like a target monthly income to finance that, whether it's the Aston Martin, the freaking Chateau, whatever the hell it might be, that there are ways to analyze your work so you can get 5 to 10x per hour more done. Whether you choose to then reduce your hours or just work the same number of hours and just get 10x the output, there are things like Parkinson's Law 80-20 analysis that you can apply to your life just

like you would apply it to a company if you were a CEO and you can jack up your productivity. Uh, that's the premise of the first book. And so, um, you know, working with, I'm involved with a lot of startups in Silicon Valley, like, uh, you know, investor Facebook and Twitter and stumble upon Evernote, things like this. And you see this type of split testing they do, like testing two homepages, and then they look at the numbers and then they'll test two different different buttons, and then they'll look at the numbers. And that led me to do that first with my own business, which was in the sports nutrition world. And then after, to look at language the same way. I'm like, all right, I'm going to test Pimsleur versus Michelle Thomas for two weeks. And these are the objective criteria I'm going to use to

assess which is the better method. And I just started applying that same type of split testing, like the drugs, same deal. You know, I'll test, I'll test two. Yesterday I was writing a book about cooking and food right now, and I'm trying not to chop my fingers off. So I actually bought a knife and a cutting board and I'm traveling with it. I have it in my bag right now, actually. But, and I was chopping and I separated like celery out into, into equal lengths to test a Chinese method of chopping and then a French method of chopping. I just wanted to see which one was fastest, and so I laid it out. It's kind of weird. You're a fucking weirdo, bro.

When you're measuring celery, looking for the Chinese method, just chop that shit up, dude. What are you doing? That's ridiculous. But you know what? You never get to the mindset to write a book like the four-hour work week unless you have some sort of, you know, you can call it OCD, but it's really just an exceptional interest in things. Yeah. And I owe that to my parents, honestly. But what my parents did, they never, you know, I came from a very moderate background.

Both my parents worked, dual-income family, and they didn't have a lot of money for all sorts of trips and things like that, but they would expose me to all sorts of different types of things like the aquarium or take me to the beach to, let's say, pick up magnetic sand, like the black sand with magnets and so forth. And then when I have a younger brother and when one of us would become fixated on something that we really were drawn to, then my parents would just put everything behind it. And so they didn't have a budget for BB guns out, like a bike out, but they said, we always have a budget for books.

So I remember I got really into fish and sharks more specifically. So my mom bought me this really expensive book. It's like $40 hardcover, uh, Audubon society. I think it was Audubon society, but it was fish. And I took it to school and the teacher said to my mom at some point, she's like, you know, you really shouldn't have him have, allow him to bring the book to school. He'll destroy the book. And my mom was like, he's not going to destroy the book. You're an idiot. And I think that by the training of the conditioning that I've had through my, through my parents to just go after whatever I'm interested in, feel supported in doing that is what's led me to all this stuff.

Has it ever backfired when it comes to chicks? Have you ever become an unwanted stalker and didn't realize you were doing it? You were just trying to be so persistent in that it became a sickness? Not so much as a stalker. The one habit I have which gets me into a lot of trouble with guys as much as chicks this might be also related to the gay thing is that I'm really it's sucking oligarchs

it's a terrible habit and once you start it's like cigarettes what I was going to say is that could be edited terribly but this is my ringtone Tim Ferriss ringtone I'm fascinated by people and so I'll look at them What? The ringtone. This is my ringtone, Tim Ferriss ringtone.

I'm fascinated by people, and so I'll look at them. And so if I'm looking at, let's say, an attractive girl across the bar, and she's like smiling and okay, cool, I go from like flirty eye contact to creepy eye contact really quickly, and it doesn't register with me because I'm just fascinated by looking at people. So you're like a scientist, and they think you're a killer. They think I'm a serial killer, yeah. But you're just a scientist. I'm just fascinated at looking at people. I do that too. And they think you're a killer. They think I'm a serial killer, yeah. But you're just a scientist. I'm just fascinated by visual stimuli.

Me too. I do the same shit. You sound like you're high when you're not high. I might be kind of high. But when you're not high, well, right now you probably are. Oh, yeah. But I mean, it sounds like that's what a high person does. Oh, absolutely.

And I mean, I think that I could, I mean, I can get high. I try to engineer highs doing other things. I tend to do, let's say, 5 to 10 minutes of Vipassana meditation, just awareness meditation in the mornings. I always have either Pu-erh tea, which is a Chinese dark tea, or yerba mate. I really like Argentine yerba mate. It has three different stimulants in it.

I try to time it when I wake up so that it hits my bloodstream as I'm meditating. And it's not very strong, but the after effect that I have for two or three hours is absolutely a high. Are you one of those guys that's really productive in the mornings? No, no I'm not.

But I try, I recognize from me at least that how I set up my morning ritual, the first 60 minutes will determine my productivity for the rest of the day. Now, are you so organized that you have every day lined up? You have objectives for each day, and you have a schedule for each day? I have one or two. You pretty much work for yourself, right? Yeah, I have one or two, no more than one or two primary to-dos per day, and I actually try to calendar as least as possible.

It's actually something I realized that Schwarzenegger does, and a handful of other people, they will not put things on the calendar. They're just like, call me if I'm available. If I'm not, I'm not. And that provides, at least me, particularly if I'm on writing deadline, with a lot of flexibility. But I still have one or two to-dos that I try to get done or hit a milestone in progress for before I check email.

So I try to set one hour in the morning to at least focus on one of those two to-dos before any kind of reactive work. You sound like such a, I don't think I've ever met someone so productive. Have you ever met anybody that even sounds that productive? No, but it's pretty awesome. And like, I'm just looking through this book at how many interesting things are in it. The diet that you have in here.

That's the 4-Hour Body. That's a different one. The diet in here says lose 20 pounds in 30 days. I was looking through it. It's an all-cock diet. It seems very Weight Watcher-y almost. I lost 65 pounds in three months. What I did is I pretty much very Weight Watchery almost. But kind of – I lost 65 pounds in three months.

And what I did is I pretty much took Weight Watchers and I cut out all the bullshit. So I just – I didn't do like the fruits and I stayed away from nuts and things like that. But it was pretty much – I was getting the nutrients I needed and stuff. But it just more sucked doing it. Like you missed foods. But it just more sucked doing it. Like you missed foods, but it just burned calories. Yeah, the slow carb is actually closest to something I tried before arriving at that, which was the cyclical ketogenic diet. So Atkins is just a brand name applied to the ketogenic diet where your body is working off of ketones instead of glucose.

Is that dangerous? I don't think so. So what's dangerous is ketoacidosis that you see in diabetics, for example, as opposed to ketosis. But the diet was originally designed for epileptic children. If you put kids on what people think of as an Atkins diet, high, high fat and then high protein and next to no carbs. The high fat is really important. So you see a lot of cream in the diets for kids. It will cut down on epileptic seizures like 75%, 80% in many cases. It's astonishing. And the slow-carb diet, cyclical ketogenic diet, is where you combine it with exercise

so that you're in ketosis for five or six days, then you carbohydrate load for 24 hours for the insulin and anabolic effects, and then you go back into ketosis. But it's a huge pain in the ass. That one is. But if you do roughly sort of a paleo-type diet with legumes and then you eat whatever the fuck you want for one day, it's like an approximated version of that that works really, really well. I don't think of it in terms of having a paleo diet,

but I try to cut back way back on my bread and pastas. I try to eat very little of that stuff, and I try to eat only shit that grows. That's what I try to eat or way back on my bread and pastas. I try to eat very little of that stuff. And I try to eat only shit that grows. That's what I try to eat or treat it. Anything that grows, anything that's alive, whether it's salads or vegetables or animals, anything that grows face or in the ground. Yeah, that's it. That's, that's what I'll, that's what I like to eat. You know, when you start eating a lot of pastas and breads and, you know, and sodas and, and, and just nonsense. Yeah. I, I, I absolutely feel a difference in how my body processes it,

what kind of energy my body has. I always feel way healthiest when I'm just eating a lot of vegetables and just meat and stuff along those lines, which I guess is the paleo diet, right? It is. I mean, I think the term has been co-opted by a lot of people who turn it into like a mania. A fad.

Yeah, and so you have, I think, on both extremes. by a lot of people who turn it into a mania. A fad. Yeah, and so you have, I think, on both extremes. And not everyone who would self-identify with paleo is extreme, but you find that the paleos and the vegans have this extreme war going on. Is it war? It's war.

I take the paleo suits. I got five bucks on the paleos. But I think that where a lot of folks miss the boat uh and i think your approach is is right in the sense that when you become really militant about one side or the other if your if your goal is to help other people you have to look at the compliance as much as how effective it is so it's like you might be able to get let's say someone on biggest loser in shape by duct taping bowling balls to their hands and having to run through the fucking desert with a weighted sled behind them. But once they're off of national television

and they're not shamed into crying with product placement, like, how long are they going to actually do that? Probably never again. Is that what they do on that show? I saw a tweet at one point that I thought was great, which was, Biggest Loser equals fat people crying in product placement. Which I thought was really dead on.

Because you can't fill an hour or whatever it is, half hour even, on a weekly basis with simplicity. You can't do it. You can't be like, all right, kettlebell swings three times a week, you're fucking done. Focus on your diet because that's the only way you're going to lose fat. You can't do that because you have to fill 30 minutes of fat people running around.

So I did actually see one where they had these morbidly obese people with weighted sleds attached to them running through like sand dunes. So terrible. Yeah. They should be doing yoga. Cruel and unusual punishment. Yeah. You know, when you lose a lot of weight really fast, it fucks your metabolism up too, doesn't

it? Especially when you do it at a really low calorie level. If you like cut your calories, like if you're supposed to have a thousand a day, there's people that will go 500 a day just to lose weight quicker. But when they do, it jacks their whole system. Oh, they're fucked. Yeah, it'll kill your thyroid, among other things. That's why you see women who've lost, they lose 50, 60 pounds, but they do it by starving themselves.

And then they really fuck their thyroid. And they not only plateau, but they start to have all sorts of hormonal issues. And then they have empty tits. That's the saddest part. When they're plump and their tits are big and full, and then they get crazy and go anorexic and lose a ton of weight, and their tits become like empty little bags. Ghost boobies.

Ghost boobies. It's the saddest thing. Or when a girl has a perfect ass, then she just gains a little bit of weight, and all of a sudden there's stretch marks on her ass. Like, what the fuck happened? Like, you weren't in pain while your ass was growing. You kept eating. Like, look what it did to your ass.

Your ass has railroad tracks on it, you know, out of nowhere. What the fuck is that? How do girls get stretch marks on their ass so quick? I saw guys get stretch marks on their pecs, I guess. You know, it's just like, it's a lot easier to gain fat than it is to gain muscle. So, like, you see these guys with these incredible stretch marks on the outside of their pecs, I guess. You know, it's just like it's a lot easier to gain fat than it is to gain muscle. So you see these guys with these incredible stretch marks on the outside of the pecs. And I think that, you know, for women, like guys put it on the gut and women put it right on the ass and the legs. Isn't it like genetic, though, as far as stretch marks?

Like some people just don't get stretch marks. Like some women don't get stretch marks. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think it has a lot. I think that humidity actually plays a part, too. Really? Yeah. So the more humid the climate, the fewer stretch marks.

That totally makes sense. I've heard Charles Poliquin, who's an Olympic-level, professional-level strength coach, recommends that his athletes or women who are losing a lot of weight, or men, I suppose, for that reason, use, I think it's Go-To Cola as a cream, which helps with the stretch marks. Apparently. That's what he prescribes. I use oil of Olay. Oil of Olay. So to answer my question, you never get creepy with chicks

because you're obsessed with getting them. I've been dating a great girl for about five months, so I'm not on the market. But before that, I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just saying that you have this incredibly inquisitive mind and this, I'm going to accomplish my goals mentality. And there are certain people who have that mentality and it works all great until it comes to people liking them, communicating with

people. Because to be super successful at a lot of things, there's a certain amount of bulldog aggression or bull you know the the ability to push forward and you know and keep your eye on the prize and focus and focus and if you're a socially retarded person yeah and you have that and you are into a chick it could get ugly right oh yeah for sure i think that i've definitely creeped girls out but it's usually it's usually because i'm doing some fucking experiment. I remember one time I went on this first date. I was set up with a gorgeous girl and showed up, and then I was like, don't let this weird you out. And I pulled this electric scale out of my bag and started weighing all the pieces of food on the table.

And that was the beginning of the end. Why did you do that? and that was the beginning of the end. Why did you do that? Because I was trying to prove that the calories in, calories out model as co-opted by nutritionists is totally inaccurate. They don't understand thermodynamics. So what I was doing is eating seven, I think it was 6.8 times my resting metabolic rate, like what you're supposed to need to maintain weight on a daily basis.

I ate seven times that in about 12 hours and to show that I could prevent myself from getting fat, even if I ate that way. Uh, so to clock in later with lower body fat, like two days later. And so I was weighing all my foods that I could do an accurate calorie count later. So if I had whatever amount of cheese, I want to know how many grams that was. So later I could do the multiplication and do all the adding. So you So your contention is that it's based on a weight to energy to – I don't understand. No, no. What are they wrong about? What they're wrong about is they'll say, all right, you have calories in, eating.

Then you have calories out, exercise. So that's your balance. In reality, there are many different ways you can get rid of calories besides exercise. Stress. Stress, heat. So if you put yourself in a cold, so Ray, who's one of the NASA scientists in the book, he tripled his fat loss by using cold treatments, whether like cold showers or I use ice baths, tripled his rate of fat loss.

I mean, that's the equivalent of taking like methamphetamine. Wait a minute. How do you do that? What do you do? You just get in a cold shower every day and you lose fat? How long do you have to be in that shower? Oh, like a few minutes i mean very short and i actually that makes you lose fat yeah i prefer it triggers a hormone that i think people are going to be hearing a lot more about in the next few years probably the next one or two years adiponectin most people have never heard of this

improves uh among other insulin sensitivity but also the rate of fat loss. And cold triggers this. It also triggers luteinizing hormone, which you, of course, see in your blood panel when you do testing, looking at testosterone, which I think is the primary driver behind sex drive. So if you're able to jack up your LH, you want to go hump a corner. It's pretty awesome. So cold showers make you horny? Yeah, particularly like an ice bath. So it's the opposite of what they always told us.

Well, it'll definitely make you look like less of Ron Jeremy with an ice bath, but the intermediate and longer-term effects, yeah, higher sex drive, absolutely. That's incredible because that's what they always say, right? Take a cold shower and it cools you off, you're horny. But in fact, it just makes you harder. It'll make you, yeah. You'll need some recovery time for taking an ice bath. I like an ice bath up to like mid chest. Okay. So when you, uh, when you, you need recovery, 20 pounds of ice, how much recovery time do you need before you're ready to rock? Uh, 20 minutes, 20 minutes. Yeah. You're good. Do you have to get in any warm water to rejuvenate or I would take a hot shower

afterwards. I would actually take a hot shower afterwards. I would actually take a hot shower beforehand. So there's something called contrast therapy that the East Germans used to use where you take, for example, a very hot shower so that the blood vessels dilate in an area. This is after sports. So I started using this for sports stuff. I have all sorts of back injuries. So I do hot on the back and then go right into the ice bath and that would like hyper constrict it and then you get out and you

do the you do the hot shower to finish and that's supposed to help flush out debris and and uh damaged tissue and so forth really works it's amazing it's like it's like an extra two days of recovery hot and cold therapy and they used to do that back for injuries a long time ago in the 80s. I tore my sartorius muscle. It was a big one, too, because this was the third year that I was defending the state championship in Taekwondo. And I couldn't do any sparring. I couldn't kick the bag. The only thing I could do was throw kicks in a swimming pool.

And I had a bunch of different therapies to fix that. One of the big ones was getting a hot, hot, hot bath and then plunge right into a bath full of ice cubes. It was crazy. Sars Horus is a gnarly one. It was bad. It was a bad tear. It went right up to the hip. You're doing Taekwondo.

You're whipping your legs around these crazy, unnatural motions with all this torque. There's an amazing amount of torque, especially if you get really good and really flexible. I was really young, too. Your body, when you're like 17, 18 years old, it just has some elasticity to it. It springs and whips. You generate so much force, you can rip things apart. I tore my ACL.

I tore my sartorius. I ripped rib cartilage. Oh, God. I ACL, tore my sartorius, ripped rib cartilage. Oh, God. I haven't torn my sartorius. Hamstring is the worst leg, muscular and connective tissue issues that I've had. I did it once so bad, my whole leg was black and blue. I popped, and then the rest of my leg, from my balls all the way down to below my knee was total black and blue, like I got shot. That's terrible. There's a guy I know.

He lives actually around here. Scott Mendelson. He's broken nine records in the bench press. World records. The guy can bench about 1,200 pounds. I'm not kidding. I've seen him do warm-ups with five plates on either side. Somebody would use an empty bar. He's a huge

guy. No big surprise there. The last time I saw him he was 320 and had a six-pack, to give you an idea. But people don't realize, when you start handling those types of weights, you're using your legs in a major way, even for the bench press. And so I remember seeing him at one point, and he was hobbling around. He showed me his leg. He tore his entire quad, which is like twice the size of my torso, doing the bench press.

Oh, my God. So his entire quad was black. Just ripped off of his bone. Yeah, it was just completely black. It looked like, I'm sure what your leg looked like. Yeah, muscle tears are a motherfucker, man. They take a long time. They do, yeah.

I'm so careful as I get older about warming up and getting really loose before I do anything. That has helped me so much, man. Yeah, have you done any of the rolling, like lacrosse balls or foam rollers? Yeah. Those are great. Yeah, there's a deep tissue guy that I go to that just fucking hurts like hell, man. And it's a dude, which is uncomfortable. Because I always used to go and get deep tissue massages from chicks.

But then I started getting real sports massages from someone who's a strength coach at Purdue. And he's legit, and he breaks your shit down, dude. It's fucking painful. He has all these emotion things he does, too. He stretches you in all different range of motions while he's just digging elbows into the muscle. You want to tap out left and right.

It gets pretty rough. Sounds like ART. Does he ever mention that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is fucking painful. Yeah, it's painful, but it's it gets pretty sounds like art does even meant ever mention yeah yeah yeah that is fucking painful yeah it's painful but it's fucking amazing it allows you to go back to training like much quicker you know just there's all sorts of different things that we don't like to do that are uncomfortable like the ice baths and like this kind of shit but God when you do do them so important it's a big difference fucking huge other thing I

found to help a lot with muscular injuries is either Arnica, and this is an actual topical. Is that homeopathic stuff? Yeah, so the Arnica can be homeopathic. What I prefer, I have a lot of issues with most of homeopathy, but the Tromeal is a product that you can get at Whole Foods, and it's T-R-A-U-M-E-E-L. And it is astonishingly effective.

I don't know exactly the mechanism of action, but it really works for, like, musculo-connective issues. Oh, it's fantastic. Like, helps heal? Yeah. Yeah, like the speed of healing. So how do you spell this stuff for people out there? Yeah, T-R-A-U L. And you can get both ingestible and topical. If you have a serious, if I have an acute injury, I had one recently, uh, a few months ago in the hamstring,

went immediately to Whole Foods, got a bunch of bags of ice for an ice bath and bought a bunch of trauma and like high dose of vitamin C and a few other things to immediately sort of try to address the short-term inflammation because I was at a certification for CrossFit endurance and had to do, I had to do the second session the next day. And I wanted to do the session the next day. How did you do it with a blown hamstring? Uh, it was like a partial strain. I would say, uh, well certainly wasn't any type of, of, of severe tear, but it was enough that I was hobbling around after a few hours. And you know, if you feel it that day, you know what I mean?

Like, you're really going to feel it the next day. But I worked with the ice, trauma, contrast therapy, and I was able to go the next day. I wasn't 100%, but I was able to actually do a running cert. Well, it must not have been that big of an injury, because I've got to assume that that would fuck you up for quite a while, if it really was. I mean, there's nothing that's going to make you heal overnight, right? No, no, no must not have been that big of an injury because I've got to assume that that would fuck you up for quite a while if it really was. I mean, there's nothing that's going to make you heal overnight, right? No, no, no, not overnight. But that stuff you believe helps long-term? What you can do, it does help long-term.

In this particular case, my concern was just addressing the inflammation and stiffness so I could train the next day. The following week, yeah, it was a mess because I took an injury and then built on top of it. Oh, so it became worse? Yeah, but in that case, I was willing to do it because I just wanted to finish the cert when I was in Colorado. It's amazing how much we know about fixing the body, though, man. I mean, both of my knees have been reconstructed, ACL reconstruction. It's amazing that if we lived just one lifetime earlier, I'd be a cripple.

Or people don't like that. They think that's an offensive term. I would be a person whose both knees are fucked up. How about that? Meanwhile, they work 100%. They work great. No problems. Kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, everything works great.

Just fix it. Put it back together again. Yeah, it is wild. It's incredible. It's amazing when you think about it. Oh, no. I was just going to say that for people who really want to take the regenerative stuff seriously, what I would encourage people to start researching is looking at banking stem cells.

So getting stem cells at a younger age to bank so that you can use them later if you want to get like a, what is the term I'm looking for? It's not mesenchymal. Polypluripotential stem cells. So you bank these stem cells that are like your younger stem cells. And then later on, if you need a liver or you needed this, you needed that, to ensure that you don't get rejection, you can actually take that stem cell, differentiate it into what you need, and then grow it.

Have you done that? I am in the process of trying to do it. Is it expensive? I don't think it needs to be expensive because there are some doctors who are trying to get different, I believe so, cells that you can differentiate from skin as opposed to having to take it out of, let's say, bone marrow. I was willing to do bone marrow. So I was actually going to do bone marrow harvesting. Oh, my God.

Like drilling through the hip. That must be painful. It's not fun. Yeah, that's not fun. How long are you out for when you do something like that? I don't know. I haven't done it. But I was going to do that. And then one of my buddies who actually designed a device for that was like,

well, maybe you want to consider looking at skin or blood, something like that. And I was like, all right, all right. I'm happy to store whatever I can. Wow. That seems interesting. That seems like a good idea, actually. Yeah, it's wild stuff, man. I do think that the life extension folks who take 200, 300 pills a day,

I think they're setting themselves up for a fasting bargain because your liver, talking about the liver, does not handle 200 pills a day very well. So vitamins, you think, are bad for breaking down for your liver? It depends on the vitamins. I would say, I mean, I try to get everything that I can through whole foods, which is a very new thing for me because a few years ago I was like, blood test, identify problem, sniper shot with a pill, fixed, or injection, fixed. And what I've realized when you start looking at the history of, let's say, beta carotene,

so it was thought to be very good for eyesight, the history of, of, uh, let's say beta carotene. So it was found to be good for, well, it was thought to be very good for eyesight among other things. So people start taking isolated beta carotene, which then caused a lot of problems. So I'm trying to get whatever I might be deficient in. Let's say I found out that I was deficient in selenium. I did a test called spectra cell. You can go just about anywhere, a hundred bucks, you're done. And I found out I was deficient in selenium fixed that doubled my sperm count and tripled my testosterone by addressing a selenium deficiency and double your sperm count you're shooting loads in the cups on a regular basis and tell them measure your loads

yeah yeah i was really doing that too yeah also probably not good first date conversation just from experience did you bring that up yes date when you're measuring no it was a different it was a different date and they're like they like, so what are you up to? And I was like, well, I'm doing some experiments. They're like, oh, what kind of experiments? I was like, well, let me tell you. And then, yeah. Yeah, I find that you can't even bring up your loads until a girl's actually been around them.

Once you've had sex and they've been around your loads, then you're allowed to bring up your loads. But until that moment, loads are off the table. Yeah, yeah. You don't get promoted. It's like if you're talking to a girl on a first date and she starts talking about her yeast infection issues yeah also what buzz killer what is this kind of nonsense fairy tale kill it a bitch oh man i found out what that problem was by the way of squirting oh with your girl yeah why don't you explain to the whole world g-spot uh stimulation yeah okay she's peeing on you bro no it's g-spot he's got a he got an issue

with his girl peeing all over the place no it just started it's g-spot orgasms i think is what you just rock it you're just killing it that hard that's what it is the doctor said that if the doctor's not there when the piss comes out that doctor doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about the doctor needs to shut his mouth. He's just trying to make you feel better. Oh, God. I had one buddy. He was a close friend of mine.

And he called me at like 4 in the morning at one point. Traumatized because this girl he was really into. It's actually the first time. And she was riding him cowgirl. And then she's about to come, jumps up, like, posts on his chest and jumps up to her feet and then, like, squirts all over his chest. Oh, no. And he was so, he was really into her.

This was the first time they had sex, and he was just so traumatized by this, like, power role reversal. Wow. He was really, like, beyond consolation. But he called me at four in the morning and started sending me texts, and they were just incomprehensible. So did she do it on his chest on purpose, like a guy coming on a girl's tits? I mean, I can't imagine why else you would prop yourself up to a sumo squat and do that.

That's awesome. Yeah, it seems like a very aggressive. Awesome. That's a very aggressive, like, alpha dog move. Exactly. That's like an animal. If some girl did that the first time she had sex, that's insane. That. Exactly. That's like an animal. I think that'd be... If some girl did that the first time she had sex, that's insane.

That'd be crazy. That's so gross. Yeah, yeah. But meanwhile, dudes would do that all the time. Let me come on your tits. But somehow or another, that's acceptable. Why is that acceptable? That sounds so hilarious.

It seems like it is, though. It seems like it is acceptable for a guy to come on a girl's tits, but it's not acceptable for a girl to fucking piss all over your chest. I want to know what that girl looks like just for my own personal interest. It sounds so appetizing. I don't know why. So much resistance. Loads.

Why do girls allow that? Why do some of them actually like it? That's ridiculous. That's the most ridiculous shit ever. Protein. You like loads all over you? Protein. It has nothing to do with protein It's just dirtiness That's what it is Being bludgeoned by porn

It's just sheer Exfoliating It's good for your skin That's gotta have a bizarre Exposure Do you look at porn? Does that have a bizarre I mean I have

I'm not nearly as organized as you are As analytical as you are I don't think But I have this thing about porn And the big thing that I have is that I know that this only happens when someone abuses someone. It might happen with guys, but with girls, they only do that. They only let guys fuck them on camera because something happened at an early age. It's almost like unanimous.

It's almost like 100% of them have been molested. So it bothers me. And even though they're having a great time, and even though they're hot, and maybe they love sex, and maybe it is fun for them, maybe they do enjoy it, I can't not do the math. So you being this analytical guy, how do you look at stuff like that?

How do you look at internet porn and things along those lines? Yeah, it's tricky? It's tricky. It is tricky. Because you like to look at it, but you don't like to support it. Yeah, I don't have a strong moral stance against porn, but it's hard not to think of the backstory, particularly if you actually see any type

of documentary or any type of coverage of this adult film or pornography, you do see the patterns really clearly. But Jesus, I mean, just as a healthy male, it's tough to just block. Don't think of that shit, Joe. That's going to kill your boner. I know.

You're right. You're right. You're like sitting there going, yeah, I wonder what this father did. I remember talking to one of these tech guys who worked with Anger Free, I think it was. They have a program called the Hotspot Shield, which is great if you're traveling. For example, if you go to China, it won't work. But if you go to some countries where they block Pandora or YouTube, you can use Hotspot Shield, and it allows you to get around that. Really?

Like if you're in Dubai or something like that? Yeah, it gives you a tunnel. Exactly. So you bring up Dubai. I asked him who most of his users were and he said people in the Middle East watching porn. Whoa. So what is this called again? It's called Hotspot Shield.

And how do you get it? Is it a software program? It's a free software program you can download. And it works? Yeah, it works. So it's kind of like Tor in the sense that if you're trying to route like in Iran or other places where people are trying to route out or route in. Can they lock you in jail forever if they catch you with this? Probably.

Oh, I don't think so. I mean, as a visitor, for example, when I was in Turkey and I wanted to watch stuff on, I think it was YouTube, or it was Pandora, one of the two, and I got really irritated that I couldn't access one or the other, and I just used Hot Swatch Shield and it was problem solved. Would this work with people who, if they work in an office and the office blocks certain things could they put this on their computer uh if if the if the it is set up so that they can install and download yeah they should be able to oh shit bitches I just found a solution to your problems your boss was sleeping feel free

to whack off in your cubicle now did you hear hear MSNBC got hacked yesterday by the hackers, and they did a fake terrorist thing on their Twitter? Who did this? Jesus. Somebody hacked MSNBC. It was just like, oh, my God, there's terrorist shit going on at Ground Zero in New York City, and did all this shit. That's fucked up.

Yeah. And then somebody announced yesterday that Steve Jobs died. That's connected to some kind of news publication. But then they deleted it immediately. And they said, sorry, we got our facts wrong or something. But a lot of people are thinking that. So someone's hacking newspapers now? Yeah.

Either that or someone at that particular newspaper is shorting Apple. Yeah. And they're just trying to set it up. Just trying to tee it up for a nice double. Oh, sorry, guys. We got our facts wrong. But thanks for selling all your Apple. Frank Android. How easy would that be to be, right?

That would be pretty easy to do at this point in time. People are just waiting for the story of Jobs being dead. Oh, yeah. Did you see the photo of him where he's kind of wearing this black dress-looking thing? No. He looks like he weighs like 90 pounds. Yeah, everyone at the Apple store is like, oh, that's Photoshop. That's not real.

They're defending his boss like King B. A guy like that, there's clear evidence that no matter how much money you have, there's only a certain amount you can do for your health. There's only a certain amount. Do you attribute when you see a guy that's sick like that? I've talked before about a girlfriend that I had who had a great boss who was a really nice guy who had massive cancer at 50 and was dead like that. And it was a guy who worked for a studio, and he had an incredibly stressful job.

Just constant every day, six, seven days a week, all day long. He made a good living because of it, but the guy just lived in a hurricane. Yeah. Do you think that that has a direct result on physical health? I think it has to because elevated cortisol, you have interrupted sleep. I think it has to have a direct impact on just about everything. Part of the problem with looking at studies that try to look at or disprove the correlation between stress and cancer is that a lot of these people define stress differently. But I would think that in addition to those types

of stresses, which are definitely biochemical events, carbohydrate intake. So there's a great book called Good Calories, Bad Calories, and there's one section on disease states and carbohydrates. And I think that if you remove gluten, grains, et cetera, it's very hard for certain types of cancers to grow. Really? Yeah. And I remember at one point one of my close friends, a young woman, had been diagnosed with, I think it was cervical cancer,

and spoke with this doctor who presented at TED, William Lee, L.I., and he actually has a white and green tea blend that selectively inhibits blood cell growth in cancer tissue. How cool is that? Whoa. So, yeah, obviously if the cancer can't get nutrients, can't get blood, then it dies. And so I've been, I consume that tea as a preventative measure. And I also obviously cut

out the refined carbohydrates six days a week. Then I go ballistic one day a week. You have a cheat day, nice ice cream, whatever the fuck you want, whatever I want. And that's a smart move. You know, my friend Eddie was doing that. Eddie Bravo was, uh, all Atkins diet. He would be Atkins all week. And then on the weekends he would start off, it started off with just Sunday, but then it became Saturday, Sunday and then it was Friday after midnight. And now he weighs 400 pounds. He's fit. He takes care of himself.

But it was hilarious being around him on Sunday. Because Sunday you just go off like a rocket. Is that what you do? Do you eat donuts and shit? What I find is that I encourage people, particularly when they're getting started to just go crazy. And after three or four weeks of making themselves sick, they start cutting back. They start chilling out.

And they'll still have fun. Like when I have my cheat days, I mean, I'm having chocolate croissants. I'm also having some good food during the day. But then I'll have wild nettle pizza with an egg on top or whatever. It's great stuff. But I don't strive to make myself sick anymore. It's not a point. It's not like I want to reach that threshold where I used to just, it was like, Oh, I wonder how many boxes of donuts I can eat. It's fucking cheat day. And, uh, you get,

you get past that point pretty quickly. But for people who are very phobic of diets of any type, it's, it's really helpful in the beginning stages to allow them that psychological release valve. What it also does, we were talking about thyroid is when you selectively overfeed like that, it's really helpful in the beginning stages to allow them that psychological release valve. What it also does, we were talking about thyroid is when you selectively overfeed like that, you can actually improve conversion of T4 to T3 active thyroid. So you actually find that people lose more weight over time when they have that overfeeding once a week. It's pretty cool.

Really? Yeah. Also affects leptin. That's incredible. You lose more weight by being a pig. Yeah. By being one day a week, just being a pig. Yeah. By being one day a week just being a savage. Yeah.

Why would that be that your body just realizes that it has to kind of deal with that every now and again, and so it just ramps everything up? Yeah, what it doesn't do, I think partially, is it doesn't downshift because it believes that it's in a starvation mode or that some type of food category is in famine, essentially. So I think that when you overfeed, the mechanism isn't entirely clear. But there have been a lot of studies looking at this, where if you calorie load that one day, it has an effect on everything from leptin to thyroid to just about everything else.

It's cool. And a positive. Oh, yeah. Very positive effects on. So it's good to be a pig one day a week. One day a week. It's cool. And a positive. Oh, yeah. Very positive effects on. So it's good to be a pig one day a week. One day a week. That's amazing. Yeah, if you're an athlete, you would end up doing it with other types of food.

So you'd use like a quinoa or yams, root vegetables, things like that to jack up your calories if you don't want to do the donuts and all that shit. If you don't want to cheat. Yeah, because if you want to carb up properly, like having a lot of fructose and table sugar is half fructose, right? The sugar that's in fruits. It fucks up your carb load terribly. So if you're actually training like your GSP and you want to fucking carb load, whatever, after weigh in,

then you don't want to be getting like table sugar is a terrible choice. Right. So you'd want to avoid that. But I like chocolate croissants. So that's table sugar though, right? Oh yeah. Lots of convection of sugar. Fruit sugar won't have the same issues.

Like fruit sugar will, will mess up your, your, your, yeah. Lots of the convection of sugar. But fruit sugar won't have the same issues? Fruit sugar will mess up your carb up. So you want to avoid that typically. You want to avoid fruit sugar. So when you carb up, it's all just breads and pastas and things along those lines? You'd be focusing on a lot of that. Or if you wanted to get really fancy with it, you'd use something like Waxy Maize Starch or some type of actual supplement. There are guys who do that. There's a really good product called...

Waxy Maize, say that? Yeah, Waxy Maize Starch. There's a really good product called waxy maize say that yeah waxy maize starch there's a product you eat it yeah you convert it into a powder and you eat it just like you would a protein powder uh you drink it yeah you drink it exactly and what is the benefit of this starch it's it it has a uh you avoid some of the side effects of let's say consuming something that's too rapidly digested, like glucose, where you're just basically injecting yourself with... Like Gatorade. Yeah. Gatorade would have... I'd have to look at it.

It's going to have probably some glucose, but also it probably has sucrose in it. But what I used to do when I was getting really crazy about the CKD, the cyclical ketogenic diet, is that I would... Say that again? C-L-O-R? Cyclical ketogenic diet. When I was doing that, when I started my carb update, the cyclical ketogenic diet, is that I would... Say that again. Cyclical ketogenic diet. When I was doing that, when I started my carb update, I would start with glucose tablets, which are disgusting.

I would start with the fastest and then move out to the slowest, the more slowly digested. So I didn't use Waxymase, but I would start with glucose tablets. Then I would move to some type of more rapidly digested, let's say, white rice. And then I would go into other grains and slowly move out to more rapidly digested, let's say, white rice, and then I would go into other grains and slowly move out to the longer digested carbohydrates and then also start infusing protein because the carb up can be helped with protein

depending on the ratio. Dude, this is an MMA team's need a dude like you on hand to tell them how to fucking carb up and how to eat before a fight. Yeah, I could help them with that. Why don't you write a book on that shit, i uh you know it's uh i've be quite frankly because it's just not much of a market for but i have i've done some fun stuff with uh some nfl um linemen as well as i've worked with a couple of fighters uh just on the cutting weight stuff not

so much the carving up but like cutting for weight classes. That shit's so dangerous. Yeah, it's really. I used to cut 20 plus pounds twice a week in high school for wrestling. Oh my God. And it's really dangerous. Did it stunt your growth? I don't think it stunted my growth.

I think it fucked up my, I think it screwed up my, some of my feedback loops in the body. Absolutely. Because, I mean, I had a resting pulse when I wanted, when I had to go to sleep and I would assume that I would lose, let's say half a pound to a pound and a half just over, over the evening, over the sleep. My resting pulse was like 120 plus. I mean, it was like 140. I was just laying in bed, trying to go to sleep and my blood's like ketchup. So it's just like, it's horrible, horrible. It's so bad for you. And that year, I remember that year, there were a couple of wrestlers who had organ failures

because of dehydration. And at that point, they then changed the rules. I don't know what they are now, where you weighed in as you went onto the mat. So you actually weighed in right before you wrestled. So you were disincentivized from cutting too much water because you'll obviously just go to the mat. Yeah, they do that at the Mundiales,

the Jiu-Jitsu championships. and a lot of people believe in that they think that the way mma fighters do it is ridiculous and dangerous that they weigh in you know the day before 20 hours 24 hours and they they gain oftentimes 10 15 20 pounds depending on the guy you know six seven eight bags of iv drips, constantly drinking Pedialyte and electrolyte replenishers. It's intense. It's fucking scary, the load that it puts on the body, though. To think that you're going to throw that same body into combat 24 hours later.

Oh, yeah. You know? Powerlifters are the same way. I mean, oh, yeah, they cut crazy amounts of weight. Oh, so that they're strong for their weight class? Yeah. Do they cut weight, and then do they have time after they weigh in before they regenerate? It's like the same type of timing.

Yeah, it's not much. I mean, you have 24, 36 hours, maybe. Oh, you do have 24 hours. You might have 24. That's crazy. They should weigh a man right before they lift. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because these guys, I mean, they're doing the same thing.

They're doing saline bag drips with electrolytes and so forth. You see a lot of people do it the wrong way, and they end up losing because they'll try to rehydrate, and they won't take into account the electrolytes, or they won't take into account that your gastrointestinal tract is not designed to handle six gallons of Pedialyte. Yeah, no shit. And so they just get this horrific diarrhea,

which, of course, compounds the problem, and then they get ruined when they go out to fight. So yeah, if you're going to lose weight like that, you have to use, if you're going to use any diuretics, potassium-sparing diuretics. You also see guys cramp up really badly because they don't have enough potassium. Anyway, I could go on and on about this, But yeah, the cutting weight is really bad for you. One of the most dangerous things, at least in wrestling, there's not head trauma. And one of the things they've shown in boxers, the deaths, in-ring deaths,

almost all of them have been men cutting weight. Yeah, dehydrated. Yeah, the lower weight classes is where it's an issue. And the heavyweight classes, of course, there's still instances of brain damage and pugilistic dementia or whatever they call it when you see guys like Joe Louis or Joe Frazier, rather, whose speech is clearly affected by being punched in the head. That still exists, but no deaths. The deaths like the duck kookims and all the in-ring deaths,

the really bad injuries like Gerald McClellan. Gerald McClellan was a famous weight cutter. He cut a lot of weight. And in his fight with Nigel Benn, he had a cerebral hemorrhage and wound up being severely disabled. He's blind now and mostly deaf and barely remembers his past. It's weight cutting, man. It's horrible.

It's weight cutting. I think another reason, at least this is... And trauma, of course. Yeah, something I've thought about is that the lighter weights, too. You see these guys, I mean, they'll take 12 rounds of head shots. Yeah. And there has to... I mean, I'm just thinking that there has to be a cumulative effect of the cerebral edema and swelling

that perhaps you just don't get if you're a heavyweight and you get hit once and you just... Well... You're out like a light. I don't know. It's anti-head trauma, really. They're finding soccer players have serious issues. They're telling kids not to head the ball anymore. They're finding a lot of soccer players

actually become sick with Lou Gehrig's disease. They have issues with their all sorts of... I mean, they basically have the same issues that boxers have. Because a good head, you know, when you hit a ball that's coming at you really hard and you catch it with your head, it's like getting slapped with a jab. Yeah, yeah.

It's not a lot. I mean, they're fine. They're not pussies, so they just run it off after they got hit in the head with that soccer ball. But the reality is every time you get a pop, every little pop is bad. Yeah. You know, you're practicing on the field and you're kicking the ball and heading it at each other back and forth and you don't realize it, but you're getting jabbed in the face.

We're just now coming to terms with how dangerous head trauma is. That's something that would be fascinating, but that's exactly how the Planet of the Apes got started. They wanted to fix people's brains, and then they fucking used it on monkeys, and the monkeys got smarter than people, so that could be an issue. Got to be careful. You got to cut off their thumbs, man. We got to figure out how to make brains, you can rejuvenate brain tissue and rehabilitate brain trauma.

That would be amazing. Then people could fight and never even worry about it. They just fix your brain after you're done. Charge it back up. Because right now, man, you've been aware of those NFL players. Charge it back up. Because right now, man, you've been aware of those NFL players. They've done autopsies on them and found they're 40-year-old men and they have the brain of an 80-year-old Alzheimer's patient.

It's horrible. That's not good. Yeah, I mean, they get Alzheimer's. You get so many different diseases, Lou Gehrig's disease, so many different trauma-related ailments. Meanwhile, football's awesome. So how do we fix that? Science. Step in football's awesome. So how do we fix that? Science.

Step in. I don't like seeing fighters get brain damage. It kills me. It drives me nuts. I've seen guys, we were talking before the show about, oh yeah, you know what? If there's more of that, actually, I'll have some of that coffee. You can kill it, man.

I was just saying, even watching some of the recreational MMA guys, if they do it for long enough and they're training with guys who are hitting them a lot, thank you, you can see it over the span of years. I mean, you see their speech patterns change. Yeah. They're also tired all the time, too. That's one thing you have to take into consideration. We think that a lot of times, they're oh dude's got brain damage guy's fucking doing three a days

yeah and he's exhausted when you talk to him you know and he's got black eyes so you just assume he's got brain damage meanwhile he's just fucking tired yeah you know just training training alone even just doing jujitsu one night a week every day every night is it kills you yeah it's brutal but when you add in strength training and kickboxing and wrestling to all that, I don't think there's an athlete on the planet that works as hard as mixed martial arts fighters. I really don't. I think it's the most difficult physically, emotionally, mentally, psychologically. I think everything about it is hard.

Among the MMA fighters that you've met or interacted with or just know of, who have the most grueling training regimens that you know of? George St. Pierre, probably. He's right up there. He's always fit. Silva. Yeah, Anderson Silva. And George is never out of shape, never takes an opponent lightly,

always stays to the game plans. The only time he ever took an opponent lightly was Matt Serra, and he got knocked out and never did it again. And, you know, he's a real honest guy who learns from his mistakes. He trains very hard. Pretty much they all do at this point. Rashad Evans is notoriously tough in the training camp.

Very hard worker. John Jones kid, of course. He's got a furious work ethic. They have to. All the great ones have a great work ethic. There's no room right now at the top levels of mixed martial arts. There's no room for medi a great work there's no room right now at the top levels of mixed martial arts there's no room for mediocrity there's no room there's no room for anybody that thinks they're they're natural it doesn't want to put in the time that sport eliminates all that eliminates all the luck and all the just natural talent that doesn't mean when you're

fighting five five minute rounds you gotta train man you gotta train everything you gotta train wrestling wrestling defense kickboxing jiu jitsu jiu-jitsu, jiu-jitsu defense. You've got to train getting up from the fucking bottom. You've got to train takedowns. You've got to train the whole fight. And if you don't, someone's going to find that chink in your armor and they're going to jack you. There's no room anymore. It used to be that all you had to do was be a good striker or all you had to do was be a good wrestler.

But nowadays, it's getting to that point where you just have to always be fit. You have to always be fit you have to always be ready you have to you know there's just it's just such an intensely uh close and competitive environment right now yeah you know so everyone at the top has a serious work ethic kane velasquez notorious oh yeah i've seen i've watched kane aka ridiculous he's you've seen him live train oh Oh yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, I trained with, um.

Do you live up there? Dave Camarillo. Yeah. I used to live in San Jose. Actually, Dave Camarillo lived at my house. Really? And so I, yeah, we had a mat in the garage and we would, uh, I would train in his classes at AKA.

Dude, that's awesome. And, uh. I love Dave Camarillo. Oh, he's a great teacher too. A lot of people don't realize, um, unless they've looked into it. I mean, he used to teach chess in his spare time. He reads Noam Chomsky. The guy is really smart.

Very, very smart guy. And he's very good at taking, let's say, a curriculum for jiu-jitsu and then sequencing it in a way that makes a lot of logical sense. There's a progression to it. And for that reason, I mean, the guys who train with him are, let's just say you look at low-level blue belts, they're still notoriously difficult to deal with because they don't violate their fundamentals. They're really, they have that drilled into them. It's a great school. I mean, a lot of, obviously, cane, cost check.

The fundamentals are so important in jiu-jitsu. It's something that people truly don't understand. If you train with a guy who maybe isn't so technical, it can stunt your growth as a Jiu Jitsu practitioner. Jiu Jitsu is

a language, in my opinion. You've got to learn grammar. You have to learn vowels. If you don't have the framework, just amassing vocabulary is not going to be good. And then it becomes an argument. But the way I describe jiu-jitsu, most people have no idea how to defend themselves against jiu-jitsu. So really what it's like is them not knowing a language and you yelling at them in that language. And they just can't possibly keep up.

And that's what it's like when you're in a grappling match with someone who doesn't understand jujitsu. And then the guy says, well, you know what? I'm going to take jujitsu classes. Well, good fucking luck. Because you know what that's like? That's like you saying, well, I'm going to learn English and then I'm going to tell that American comedian what the fuck is up.

No, you're not going to. It's going to take you forever to get to his speed. You're going to be able to talk at that guy's speed. He's a fucking comedian. He stands on stage with a microphone in front of thousands of people and he can bust out the right thing to say at a moment's notice and you're going to compete with him because you're learning this new language called english and you're going to eventually get as good as him good fucking luck that's what it's like when you learn jujitsu because someone can say you know man i've been practicing jujitsu i've been doing it six months

i'm going to tap you now and you can just start laughing and laughing because, like, that's actually kind of funny. It's like you're a person who's just learning English and you want to get into an argument with a Harvard scholar. I mean, that's literally what it's like, you know. And as you get better at it, you know, you realize that even your level of understanding of the language pales in comparison to other people's. I've rolled with John Jack Machado, who's a multiple-time world champion. He gave me my brown belt, and he's a great guy and a good friend, but

rolling with him is like, he's a master. He's a master, and you just feel like it's just a fucking clod. Why did I have my arm there? Why is my leg here? I know what I'm doing. I've been doing this for 20 years almost. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Oh, look, matter oh look you're mounted oh what's that a triangle oh better tap the world's going black shit and then you do it again and he can tap you whenever he wants to man he can just keep doing it you're getting you you roll with a guy like marcelo garcia it's like

you're doing chopsticks and he's playing beethoven with six arms oh yeah you know it's like you can't this is fucking there's no way oh yeah it's no way. It is like a language. It is like a language. I remember, and I've been recently getting to know, for a host of weird reasons, people in the hedge fund world. I recently got out of the public markets completely.

I'm not trading any stocks. And part of the reason was that, I remember this guy saying to me at one point, he's like, would you ever play poker against a professional poker player? He's like, would you put a million of your own money down and play that guy? I was like, absolutely not. He's like, okay, would you put a million of your own money down and play Tiger Woods in golf?

I was like, of course not. He's like, okay, well, why would anyone do that with their money and then think they can compete against a guy who runs $20 billion in hedge fund in the public markets? It's the same thing. And I was just like, that's a good point. I think I'll opt out of that. But yeah, some of these guys.

I mean, Marcelo. So Marcelo's school, he opened with Josh. Marcelo Garcia? Yeah. With Josh Waston. So Josh is a good friend of mine. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, awesome guy.

And he's a very good roller. I've heard he's great. He's really good on the mats. But I mean, Marcelo is... Well, people don't understand. Let's explain who Josh is, though. Josh is the guy who's the inspiration for the movie Searching for Eddie Fisher. Yeah, Bobby Fisher.

Searching for Bobby Fisher about the chess prodigy. It was about Josh. Yeah, it's about Josh. So Josh is a world-class chess player. He's done the simultaneous exhibitions where he'll play like 40 games at once, and he'll just go from board to board to board to board. Dude, that's such a trip. What a mindfuck that is.

You think you're a little fucking retard Candyland playing mine, trying to think of what's his next move going to be? What's his next move? And he's walking through a room, just click, click, click, click, click, click, probably while a song is playing in his head at the same time.

It's a trick. That's amazing. I've seen him play, not really play chess, teach chess one time to RZA of Wu-Tang Clan, who's really into chess. And so they were going through opening moves, and I remember they went about 15 moves into the game, not even, like 10 moves into the game, and Josh goes, alright, let's take a look at what just happened. He just pressed reverse and went back

one move at a time and then could jump forward three moves. That just blew my mind. Again, it's like a language. It's like you and I communicating with readily available nouns and verbs. To us, it's a normal thing. To him, the language of chess is just so ingrained in his mind. It's just so cool to watch.

It's such a game for thinkers, too. Chess is such an impressive game to get good at. Because everyone I know that's truly great at chess is fucking brilliant. When I was playing pool back in the day, when I first moved to New York, I had a real pool addiction. And I hung out at this pool hall, executive billiards and white planes. I was there every day. And one of the things I found there was guys who had been to prison who learned how to play chess in the air. They would just talk.

They would say, you know, knight to queen five or whatever the fuck it is. And they would play chess standing in front of each other back and forth. And one of the kids that used to come there, this young kid, I forget his name, Adam, I believe his name was. He was a chess champion, a young chess champion. And his father used to take him to chess tournaments and stuff like that. And he used to sit in the pool hall. He became addicted to pool, too. And he used to sit in the pool hall and play chess with this guy who was this older dude who had been to jail. And he had learned how to play chess in the air, too. So they would just sit there staring at each other, and the kid would just

checkmate them left and right out of the air wow it was fucking amazing yeah it's just so weird to think that some it's like they were speaking the language i totally didn't understand like i know that you you know i know that you move the rook like this and i know you move the knight like that i know i know that but when they're rattling off those numbers and i'm trying to piece together the grid and i'm you know i had no information no information in front of me. So I was like, okay, how many pieces are there on a fucking chess board? It's like playing Battleship without a board. I mean, a much simpler level. Yeah. So impressive. I'm so impressed by people who are good at chess. And it transfers, it transfers well. Like the, the, the, the methodical thinking. Oh yeah. Yeah.

So, I mean the, you know, don't go for submission. Or what is it? Position before submission. I mean, that's like... Oh, yeah. I mean, there are different styles of chess, but definitely thinking strategically so that you dominate certain positions, certain directions, and so forth. I mean, I think it's very analogous to jiu-jitsu.

I'm scared of it. I'm scared of chess like I'm scared of golf. Yeah. I'm scared of anything that I think that I might get addicted to. And I used to to listen to howard stern talk about chess all the time he became a chess nut for a while yeah he was taking lessons and shit i was like that is what i don't need in my life i don't need to be online playing fucking chess 10 hours a day because that shit could happen yeah well that's that's why you know people uh i don't watch much

tv and they're like oh you're one of these guys who's like oh i don't watch tv i'm like no no you don't understand people are like oh you should watch lost it's And they're like, oh, you're one of these guys who's like, oh, I don't watch TV. I'm like, no, no, no. You don't understand. People are like, oh, you should watch Lost. It's the best thing I've ever seen. Or you should watch The Wire. It's the best thing I've ever seen. I'm like, look, the reason I won't watch it is because I think it'll be the best thing I've ever seen. And then I have to sit in a fucking cave and watch like 20 weeks of this.

And then that's going to lead me to whatever, you know, six feet under. And it's like I can't afford to have that happen. I used to play D&D. I know I can go off the rails. D&D is the number one thing for going off the rails, right? EverQuest was another one. That's an off the rails. Where we were last night, I didn't even tell you.

Ari and I went to dinner last night at Denny's after we did the Ice House. So we're going to start doing the Ice House in Pasadena all the time now, folks. That fucking place is awesome. And we're also going to do a podcast from the ice house that we're going to call an evening at the ice house and what it's going to be is just we're going to set up microphones and a table and we're just going to have the comics shoot the shit before they go on stage and then come off stage and and shoot the shit again like oh this fucking crowd's awesome or this this drunk bitch in the front won't shut the fuck up and we're going to sit down and do this.

What was my point? What was I talking about? Video games. Something happened. You went to Denny's with Ari. Oh, we went to Denny's. That's right. Sorry. After the show, we went to Denny's and they're all playing Magic the Gathering. That's old school. This is how white Pasadena is. There's a giant table of dorks and they seem very nice.

I'm sorry if I call you dorks if you're a podcast fan but they're sitting down there and they all have their things this is the bottom of the barrel spell this brings you back to the and I'm sitting there watching these guys and they are in their own world we're staring at them and I'm like

the moment they look up and realize I'm staring I'm going to feel like an asshole they never looked up they just looked at each other and they were absorbed in their darkish fucking Magic the Gathering game, stacks of cards on their table and dice, and they were just

eating moons over my hammy at 3 o'clock in the morning on a Friday night. Does it sound fun? Would you be into that? Magic the Gathering? It's very immersive. Magic the Gathering? Not Magic very immersive. I mean, I remember playing it. Magic the Gathering? Well, no, no, no.

Not Magic for me. I came before. I was advanced D&D, and I was all about gray elves and a number of other things. I felt like I was a racist. I was all about the gray elf race. But I remember at one point this friend of mine, because I built up this pretty fucking badass character, and this buddy of mine was playing with me, and then had the dungeon master right he's kind of like the referee and my buddy took it really seriously but he's just being a dick he was like bitching and whining

he's been doing it all day and so dungeons and no no about all sorts of other stuff and he kept on bitching as we were playing and so we're supposed to be going on this module together we're supposed to be like going through this l. We're supposed to be going through this labyrinth together. And at one point, it's my turn. And I say, okay, I'm going to take my fucking, like, mithril dagger and stab Nick right in the face. And Nick's like, what? What? What?

And so I rolled, and I just killed this character. I was so pissed. And he flipped and stabbed me in the thigh with a pencil. What? Yeah, he went absolutely homicidal. Wow. Wow. Where's that guy today?

He's actually really successful in New York City. So I don't know what moral to take. He's on first 48 this Sunday. This is named Duncan Trussell. He's really successful, even though he stabbed you with a fucking pencil. In the thigh. That hurt. We were sitting right next to each other.

Imagine just like. How old was he at the time? He was probably, I'd say, 12 or 13. Oh, okay. I thought you were going to say 20. No, no, no. Duncan did it to me when he was 32. Yeah, but in his defense, you wouldn't stop fucking with him.

You were sitting behind him poking him while he was in... No, no, no, no. We're not going to talk about this. No, no, no. We're not going to talk about this. This is a ridiculous one. Why would you go to violence, though? He stabbed you with a pen because he had to get you to stop fucking with him.

Yeah, but violence... You were sitting in front of... That's messed up. You were sitting behind him poking him while he was trying to sleep, and he fucking stabbed you. He wasn't sleeping. Whatever he was, you didn't want your fucking with him. You don but Vi, that's messed up. You're sitting behind him poking him while he's trying to sleep and he fucking stabbed you. He wasn't sleeping. Whatever he was. You didn't want your fucking with him.

You don't know the story. You made up the story. I know the story. I know the story. That's not what happened. I know he stabbed you in the hand because you were an annoying cunt. That's what was going on. Okay.

You were annoying him and you wouldn't stop so he stabbed you in the hand with a pen. I just find it weird that people take it to the next level. Did you say hand or head? Hand. Hand. Oh, Jesus. Okay. That would have been worse.

Headshot would have been really aggressive. Yeah, people shouldn't take it to the next level. But also, people should stop fucking with people when they say, stop fucking with me. Brian, come on. I know you didn't expect that. I know you didn't expect that. But I didn't want to talk about it. Now here we are.

God damn it. Yeah, dudes can get wrapped up in any kind of game, man. I've seen violence after pool games. I've seen violence after basketball games. Competitive people get... Apparently, like Michael Jordan, if you beat him at fucking anything, beat him at checkers, he won't talk to you for like a month. There's one guy who shall remain nameless.

He's an eventual capitalist in Silicon Valley. Very famous guy. Likes to play chess. Kevin Rose? No, no, not Kevin. But he's famous. He's a very good chess player, but if someone beats him, he swipes all the pieces off the board. And at one point someone's like, you're a really bad loser.

And he goes, show me a bad loser and I'll show you a fucking loser. That's his line. But yeah, does not lose well. You mean show you a good loser. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Show me a good loser and I'll show you a fucking loser. Exactly.

Yeah, I guess, but you don't have to be like that's just i mean for every yeah for every uh stereotype that you have in a given industry like for example a lot of people think that in order to be a good chef you have to be a fucking asshole like you have to be willing to fucking curse at people and make them cry in the kitchen and that's i think a dominant trait but you can always exceptions. You can always find people who are like, all right, I came from a freaking abused family in the last restaurant that I was brought up in, and I'm not going to have that in my restaurant. And they make it work. You don't have to do that.

There's a funny episode of one of those kitchen shows where Gordon Ramsay was yelling at this guy, calling him an idiot, and the guy just goes, I ain't no bitch. Don't talk to me like that. I ain't no bitch. And he throws his thing down and he got right in gordon ramsay's face and he's like yeah i thought so what the fuck what you talking all you crazy and then gordon ramsay was like you're being ridiculous

like oh i'm being ridiculous don't talk to me like that stupid and then they separated him and pulled the guy away but it's true gordon ramsay's acting like this guy's an idiot he's gonna kick his ass he's threatening him he's yelling at him and the guy's like idiot. He's going to kick his ass. He's threatening him. He's yelling at him. And the guy's like, fuck you, stupid. Fuck you and your fucking ridiculous way of communicating. How about I trump you? You want to go chimp? I'll go chimp back. How about that?

Oh, you weren't set up for a reply. You're just set up to be a shithead. I think those shows are gross. When I hear those guys yelling at people, I'm praying someone punches them. That's what people are supposed to do. When you act completely out of line like that and act like a shithead,

people are supposed to hit you. Yeah. Those people have never been hit. No. Like, properly. And so when they think they're going to, they fucking panic. They lock up.

Like, all of a sudden, this posturing, all this screeching they've been doing is ineffective, and it's come down to crunch time. There's a line in the sand. Will they cross it? Yeah. Lord of the flies, man. flies man i'm a fleasian people ask me what i am i'm like i think people behave as well as their circumstances and allow them to

yeah i'm amazed that society keeps it together as well as it does the electricity is almost always on everything runs smoothly food arrives in time but but God damn it, if it didn't, things would go ugly so quick. I saw a sign on the way over here that said, I think it said CERT training, C-E-R-T, which is the disaster response training. And there's one in Northern California called NERT, so it's the Northern California Emergency Response Training. And if you do that, they prepare you for the most likely type of disaster scenario in your area.

And in San Francisco, of course, it's, among other things, earthquake. And I remember doing, this was done by the fire department and police department. And they said, all right, how many people live in San Francisco? All right, 800,000, 900,000 in the city. Like greater San Francisco, whatever it is, 7 million, 4 million. They said, all right, how many fire trucks do you think we have? And people are like, 50, 100, 120. They're like, we have 12 fire trucks

or something like that. It was so small. If we get hit by a 7 point whatever Richter scale earthquake, what do you think the response time is going to be? No one is coming to save you. You could be without water for 7, 10 days in these following scenarios. For the first day or two, people are going to behave and then people are going to get their knives and their guns

and take your water. It's true. Their, it's true. And this is in. Their children are starving. Oh, yeah. And this is, you know, they're giving this type of, and they're like, so just to get that out of the way. And now we can move on to actually what to do. But when you get the disaster recovery or assistance certification, you get hard hat, one of those yellow emergency vests.

You get a special badge. So hypothetically, if you were to want to evacuate during this type of emergency, if you have all of that gear and let's say a motorcycle so you can get through traffic, you're actually very well prepared. So that was, I'm friends with Neil Strauss who's down here, wrote the game Emergency. Emergency was about a lot of this. But the more I look at the realities of how people behave in situations where there are scarce resources, especially water, the more I think that stuff is not entirely crazy. You know, to have six months of canned food, I just don't, I think it's cheap insurance.

Now you can go off, you can go off the deep end and start doing crazy, crazy stuff, but. Get those pallets of freeze-dried astronaut meals delivered to your house when you live for years. Guys with generators, and then they have underground, let's see, what is it? Electromagnetic pulse, EMP. Electromagnetic pulse-proof boxes

to hold the backup chips because there are quite a few people who think one of the more likely attacks if someone wanted to really wipe out a lot of functioning in the U.S., is to attack computer systems. So they would drop, let's say, an electromagnetic pulse bomb in one of the Great Lakes and take out Chicago or whatever. Whoa, wait a minute. Hold up. What the fuck is an electromagnetic pulse bomb?

So I think I'm getting this right, and Google would tell us quickly, but it's something that doesn't kill humans. It's like magnets, and it fries electronics. It will fry all the computers, all the generators, everything else. Why throw it in the Great Lakes? Why not just drop it on Chicago? Because I think it, what the hell is the rationale? That would just be easier to do if you're on top of water.

So you wouldn't even necessarily have to drop it. You could just send it out in a boat. The only thing that has something on it is above top secret. That's like the top one. Always makes you go, hmm. That's the number one. And then there's how stuff works videos. There we go.

Oh, nice. There's a how-to video on how to build an electromagnetic pulse bomb. I always love the internet for that. Apparently North Korea has this. Test missiles for electromagnetic pulse weapon. Jesus Christ. These motherfuckers. The reason I know a lot about this stuff is you meet

these eccentric, not in a bad way, but eccentric, very brilliant, very wealthy people and they have a contingency for the contingency for the contingency and this is Not in a bad way, but eccentric, very brilliant, very wealthy people. And they have a contingency for the contingency for the contingency. And this is something that's come up again and again and again. I can't take it that far for a host of reasons, including financial. But I'm like, all right, maybe having some basic defense and food and water in place, maybe not a bad idea.

If I'm going to live in San Francisco on the ring of fire. This is crazy. Just get the extended warranty, too. This bomb is crazy. Listen to this shit. The field of modern warfare has never ceased to amaze me, and amongst more interesting weapons that I've read about had to be the EMP bomb, which disables all forms of electronics within the

vicinity. South Korea has just developed an advanced electromagnetic pulse device, which is capable of being deployed on the battlefield in order to make short work of enemy computers, according to the defense official. Wow. So they really can do it.

They've developed it. That's insane. Yeah, very much so. Wild stuff, man. It's a wild world we live in. And I've gone from thinking that all of that was just conspiracy theory, people with too much time on their hands,

to realizing that, you know, for a couple hundred bucks, you can actually buy yourself a lot of insurance against worst-case scenario. Do you like living in San Francisco? Because that's a tricky town if you want to talk about disasters. Yeah. Because that fucker burns when they have earthquakes. It burns. Every house is connected.

Yeah. I've positioned myself close. I'm actually very close to one of the main freeways and also very close to a large park. But it is a tricky city given how things are architected and also just the geography of the city itself. It's pretty hard to get to, let's say, a private airport or an airstrip or something to get out of, let's say, California, you have to plan ahead for that type of thing. But for me, I mean, San Francisco, I've lived all over the place and I've been to so many countries, 35 or so countries. Never thought I would land somewhere and say this is where I'm going to live. I always thought it was six months, six to 12 months. I get bored. Then I move on. What made you stay in San Francisco?

The cock besides the Mitchell brothers. Yeah, right. Easy access. A little orphan Andes. Weed. Yeah. So strong weed. I would say sharks, sharks.

I went to the Farallon Islands once. That's a fucking creepy story. I saw a kill. I saw like a 400 pound seal get hit on the water on the surface. Yeah. That was trippy before. By a great white? Yeah. Before getting saw a kill. I saw a 400-pound seal get hit on the water, on the surface. That was trippy. By a great white? Yeah. Before getting into a cage. A lot of great whites out there, man. That ocean between Alcatraz and San Francisco. Yeah, it's sharky.

San Francisco, it would be immediate access to beautiful nature everywhere. The startup scene, just the creative vibe there is awesome. It's a very intelligent city. I recorded one of my CDs there, Shiny Happy Geod. I think it's my... That's this one, right?

Yeah, I'm about to blow up the thing. It's one of my favorite cities of all time. It's such a bright city. They seem so more in tune and open-minded just on average. I always said that Boulder is like a frozen San Francisco a little bit. Yeah, very similar. and it's also and austin is sort of like austin's very similar texas san francisco yeah super similar austin has its own vibe though yeah they have they have more barbecue more music san francisco has the food though that's another reason i really love san francisco is like the last stat i heard was something like

so you have 800,000 people in San Francisco, I think there are 4,000 restaurants. That's insane. Yeah. You live in the city? I live in the city, but sort of down near the Mission. I thought about living in Northern California, like a little further away, maybe

even in Carmel. Carmel? Beautiful. Check out Marin County. It's gorgeous. Right over the Golden Gate. It's beautiful. Like Mill Valley. Where is it nice but with less people?

Up in Marin. Marin County? And you're close to San Francisco. It's 15 minutes away. And, I mean, mountain biking was created in Marin. It's beautiful. You have Mount Tam. If I were to, like, when i get married and have kids

uh or have kids i'm not sure about the married part then i can see marin very clearly being an awesome choice really yeah it's beautiful i mean you have surfing you have everything up it's gorgeous and you're close to tahoe you're close to nappe or close to uh yosemite it's it's a it's a great location it's amazing how some parts of the country actually geographically become awesome spots. It's not just a weather thing. It's just like some places are great spots. I mean, the factors that come into making a Boston or a Seattle as opposed to a Paducah, Kentucky or Wilmington, Delaware or something.

It's interesting how some spots are just like way better places to live, man. San Francisco, as far as creativity and mind and thinking and people, it's a great spot. It's a great spot to find interesting thinkers. It is, and what I really like about it is, and it's not true for everybody, of course, but there's very much a don't judge a book by its cover ethos because you don't know who the college kid is who's unemployed

or the billionaire. They could both be wearing the same thing. You have no idea. And I remember at one point I went into Best Buy. I remember to buy my first real TV. I still have it. This is, I don't know, 10 years ago. Sony Vega. I love it. Anyway, I went in and the sales This was, I don't know, 10 years ago. Sony Vega.

I love it. Anyway, I went in, and the sales guy was great. He's like, come back in a couple days. This other manager is a terrible negotiator. Get a better price. I was like, fantastic. I love you already. I'm going to buy a lot of stuff from you.

But he told me a story. He said, a lot of my, he's African American and lived in East Palo Alto. He said, a lot of my coworkers, they want to go for the guy in the suit. And he's like, I always want to go for like the slightly scraggly early forties, white dude in like the torn jeans and flip flops. And he did that at one point. They're like, take that guy. We don't want him. So he took this guy, ended up being the founder of Ikea. And he's like, yeah, I'll get 10 of those flat screens. I'll get 15 of those. And he was buying shit for the Ikea that just opened next door. And, uh, so this guy just, you know, I made buying shit for the Ikea that just opened next door. And so this guy just made his quota for the next decade.

That's hilarious. It's pretty awesome. Do you still have the Sony Vega because it weighs 5,000 pounds? It's really, yeah. I can't move the thing. I have to work on my deadlift. It's a big, well, it's certainly not a flat screen. No. It's a flat front.

Yeah, flat front. And then it's just like cathode ray tube. The thing is, it's like a refrigerator. I kept a hold of mine probably three years longer than I wanted to, just because every time I tried to move it, I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to, I'll just keep that here. So heavy. I remember watching high-def Animal Planet Fish.

I brought it home, I turned it on and I landed on that and I was just like I cannot fucking believe how worth it was. How worth it was to get HD for the underwater stuff just blew my brain. You ever watch that Earth series? Yeah, gorgeous. Planet Earth. Oh man. What about the breaching of the Great Whites

in South Africa? Oh my lord. Great Whites scare the fuck out of me, man. They've been spotting them out here at Malibu, too, really recently. They've spotted them from helicopters and people flying over. They look down, they see just big 18, 20-foot sharks. Oh, yeah, that's no joke. I was in South Africa. Check this out. So I love sharks. I want to be a marine biologist for a long time.

Why don't you marry them? You know, if I find a hot enough great white. My brother and I went to this place called Fish Hook, H-O-E-K. My brother wanted to surf. We landed there. It was really choppy. The traffic was terrible. We got there close to 5 o'clock. The guy's like, guys, we're about to shut up shop.

If you really want to go out there, it's pretty shitty conditions, but I'll give you a board and give you a discount. I was like, eh, Tom, I don't want to surf for 20 minutes he really wanted to we argued and then eventually just went for a cup of coffee about uh 20 minutes later a guy down the beach got bitten in half in neck deep water by a 16 foot great white shark what's even crazier is one of my uh readers was the guy to, he tweeted it out. He basically said, holy fucking shit,

just saw a guy get bitten in half by a great white shark. So you look down on your Twitter, you see that and you realize that could have been you easily. It could have been me easily. And found out later that the shark spotters at that beach, they have guys with binoculars, they'd spotted eight great whites at that beach. Wow.

And then people just go right back out. They're like, okay, clear, great. And they go back out to surf. What the fuck is wrong with people? I know. How good is surfing? Is it that good? It is good, but as far as I'm concerned, not that good.

I mean, in the sense that it's world-class surfing, but is surfing in any respect worth snowboarding? Snowboarding is better. And Great Whites is only cold water, though, right? Is there some places you can go? They're usually in temperate or colder waters. Like in Brazil, they surf a lot, but they don't have cold water, though, right? Isn't there some places you can go? They're usually in temperate or colder waters. Like in Brazil, they surf a lot, but they don't have to worry about sharks, right? Well, it depends on where you are.

There's a place called Recife in Brazil where I went to visit at one point, and they have signs there that are fantastic. They used to have canneries right at this one delta where it opens up into the ocean and so these bull sharks these like entire communities of bull sharks have developed there and they're very aggressive sharks and the signs on the beach if you see them in the u.s usually it's like warning sharks sharks have been spotted at this area use caution and talk to your lifeguard whatever and the signs in brazil were, don't go in the water, you'll get fucking attacked, basically. And people still surf there.

And it's like a guy with one arm still surfing. He's like, well, we're in their backyard. I'm like, maybe you should pick a different sport. We're in their backyard. Croquet. Sharks, to me, have always been one of those things where if they didn't exist and you had them in a movie, everybody would be fucking horrified of these things. But because of the fact that they're real,

just like Komodo dragons or crocodiles or killer whales, we just sleep on these things. We don't realize how incredibly fascinating and horrifying they really are. Well, that's why I was telling you that fucking lion attack video creeped the shit out of me because I just think to myself, somebody has asked me at one point

they're like, you think you could kill this animal or that animal? I'm like, no. Like a badger, that thing would fuck me up. I'm not going to kill a badger. Are you crazy? Like, do I, I don't have claws. Like, what do you think I'm going to do? Unless I have a weapon. Like, I mean.

I'd kick the fuck out of a badger. I'll tell you that right now. You give me some steel-toed boots and a strong Kevlar pair of pants, I'll fuck a badger up. I'll stomp that little bitch. Well, dude, if you have chain mail, you can go after a lot of things. Yeah, if I had a good baseball bat and a steel-tipped boot, I'd fuck up a badger up. I'll stomp that little bitch. If you have chain mail, you can go after a lot of things. Yeah, if I had a good baseball bat and a steel-tipped boot, I'd fuck up a badger. What about a

Komodo dragon? Would you take a Komodo dragon on? No, you're fucked. You're doomed. There's nothing you can do. If they're close enough to bite you, that's your ass. They're so fast. They're so fast and they have botulism in their fucking saliva. They catch deer. They're so fast. It's hard to believe. And when they bite things, all they do is bite them and then follow them. They wait for the poison in their saliva. They catch deer. They're so fast. It's hard to believe. When they bite things, all they do is bite them

and then follow them. They wait for the poison in their saliva to eventually just toxify their whole body. It's like their own nasty bacteria in their mouth just fucks animals. As soon as they bite them, they

take a water buffalo, they bite him, and then they follow him for 24 hours And then slowly he just buckles And then they just eat his asshole while he's alive Just dig in and pull chunks of him out Komodo dragons are terrifying Where do they live? Komodo Islands

Only one island Indonesia I think Yeah There's a It's a nutty animal man You know it's Did you see that crocodile they just caught? In the Philippines?

Yeah I did. Holy shit. And they're like, this is going to be the star of our new zoo because it's this impoverished Filipino village. Fuck.

Yeah, it's enormous. They set up a bunch of traps for this thing and it broke all their traps and it killed a fisherman, a local fisherman. The thing is 21 feet long. God damn it.

Yeah. How crazy are these things? Crocodiles, perfect example. If they weren't real, and there was stories of this thing that it can hold its breath for hours and it eats water buffalo. Get the fuck out of here.

Can you imagine at 21 feet how big that is? Just look in this room. That's insane. It's bigger than this room. It's not like a slender animal. The back is like this. It's bigger than this room. Yeah. Yeah, it's bigger. And it's not like a slender animal. I mean, the back is like this. It's like up to navel height. That's ridiculous.

Yeah, and they all wrapped this fucking thing up. All these little Lilliputians took this Gulliver Travel fucking animal down and tied it up in ropes, and they were parading it around the town. It's crazy to see, man. It is fucking monstrous. Yeah, have you ever seen Hogzilla? Yes. Holy shit. Have you ever seen hogzilla yes yes holy shit have you ever seen it brian uh sounds familiar but i don't know well in georgia and a lot of the sides of a volkswagen beetle it's fucking cute it's a pig it's a super well it's it's a

cross between a wild boar and a feral hog and pigs a lot of people don't realize this, but pigs are one of the strangest animals known to be in captivity because when they get out, they have a physiological change when they go into the wild. As soon as you're not feeding them anymore, they change their appearance. Their tusks grow, their snout elongates, and their hair gets shaggy and thick. And it starts happening three weeks after they come free yeah it's like a werewolf it is like a werewolf when you have that pig that's in your sty and he's got white hair and he's all cute and pink and he comes over and nuzzles against you and

you can pat him on the head a nice piggy piggy when that pig goes out into the woods his nose stretches out his hair gets furry and his fangs grow. That's fucking terrifying. He could be a grown pig. He could be a fully grown pig. But once he gets out into the wild, there's a physiological change when they become feral. It's very interesting. The domesticated versions, they have a change. Their actual appearance, their biology changes. It's pretty trippy, man.

You know that, random side note, but... Have you seen Hogzilla yet? Yeah, I'm putting it up right now. Have you? We didn't explain what it is. Yeah, it's amazing shot. Have you ever read Born to Run? No.

Really good book, but it talks about the evolution of mankind. And there are a lot of theories, but one of the theories is that part of the reason we evolved and were able to kill animals that provided more protein, which led to a larger brain, etc. That's not even the big one. There's a bigger one than that. There's one with a guy standing with a rifle. Is that we could run on two legs while keeping our heads steady. And it's because of this, I think it's a nuchal ligament at the base of the skull, which is unique to humans. And if you look at a pig, for example, when it runs, its head bobs all over the place like a bobblehead.

And hominids or homo sapiens develop that nuchal ligament that allowed them to endurance run after animals and secure more protein. Wow. Yeah, pretty wild stuff. Born to Run is a great book. Highly recommend it. It's fascinating to me when they try to go back in time.

They recently found some proto-hominid skeletons that were one point. The whole origin of the species into question. It's fascinating to me when they just go back in time and discover these things. The hub of those little hobbit people that they recently found

that existed as recently as 15,000, 20,000 years ago? There's little tiny three-foot-tall hobbit-like people. I love this stuff. I love when they don't know, and then all of a sudden some new thing comes up, and they go, oh, whoa, I guess they were using tools a million years ago. Like, fuck. Oh, I guess they were domesticating livestock.

Here's the thing they figured out recently in Saudi Arabia. They found clear evidence of the domestication of horses 6,000 years earlier than they previously thought people were doing it. So now they're like, holy fuck. You've heard of this Gobekli Tepe? Have you heard of this? No. Is this a site? It's a site in Turkey.

Oh, I have heard of this. Yeah, I don't know the Oh, I have heard of this. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know the details, but I recognize the name. It's an amazing archaeological discovery. These 15, 20-foot-high pillars of stone that's been carved, along with animals that aren't even living on this continent. So they're like, what the fuck, man? These animals aren't even from here. How the hell did these get over there?

Why are these on these things? What is this 12,000-year-old complex structure that we found? And they're still unearthing it. They discovered it in the 90s. And they've been like a farmer, like stumbled upon this thing and then started digging. It was like, what the fuck is this? And then they realized it's a giant stone pillar. And this whole community had been on purpose.

Someone had buried it. Wow. You know, it's almost like they made a little time capsule, and they covered it. They're pretty positive that it was a man-made act of covering it, and that someone covered it thousands and thousands of years ago, and they just luckily stumbled upon it. It's so wild.

It's amazing. Yeah, the stuff that blows my mind, too, is thinking of the actual mechanics, like the mechanical engineering that someone would have to use to put up these pillars or like stonehenge or things like that it's like how the fuck well even how about stone management we don't understand who made stonehenge but we know who made you know egypt we know these are these are the people this is their writing how do they get that obelisk up there what the fuck man we know? We know those people did it. It's written. It has all their language from the top to the bottom.

It's all written in their hieroglyphs. What the fuck, man? How did you do that? It's wild. Some of those perfectly cut obelisks. Those are almost as fascinating to me as the pyramid. The stones are all big, but did you push them in place?

It's all a matter of how did you push them. If it was just one stone, I'd be like, that's not that big of a deal. So you moved one stone. It's the fact that you moved 2,300,000 of them that makes you think. That's amazing. But the obelisks, just one. Just one of them. You're like, what the fuck?

How did you do that? How the fuck did you make that giant stone thing with all the carving, 50 fucking feet tall, made out of one piece of stone? Jesus Christ. Some of those amazing structures of pharaohs that are like 20, 30 feet high and you're looking at them and you're like, who the, what the fuck? 5,000

years ago? 6,000 years ago they were doing this? Yeah. The ones that blew my mind too are the aqueducts that were made in Roman times that still work. It's nuts. Human ingenuity, man. Do you subscribe to the idea, and this is a recurring subject on this podcast, that humanity has gone through cycles of really high levels of understanding and knowledge and then cataclysmic disaster or human-based disaster?

Oh, for sure. You think so? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think if you look at the Roman Empire and you look at the growth and decline of the U.S. Empire, it's parallel after parallel after parallel. Distributing military is one of the first symptoms of preceding the decline. I think point for point, you can look at these meteoric rises and then catastrophic falls. It's just like a pulse. It's like a breathing in and breathing out. It's just like a pulse. It's like a breathing in and breathing out. It's just a complicated cycle.

It's almost inevitable. Yeah. I mean, I've... But is it always because of, you know, obviously right now in the stage we're at with, you know, we talk about military, we talk about depletion of the resources, polluting the planet. This is almost all active things that we can control.

But what about giant things that happen? Shifting of the polar ice caps, asteroid impact, things along those lines that very likely have had, we believe, at least, I think they think, five mass extinctions in the history of the planet. And who knows

how many little baby ones along the way, like that one that you drive to Nevada and you see that mile-wide crater. That's like nothing. Oh, it's only a mile. It's probably only like 15 feet long. But meanwhile, everything from miles around near that thing was dead instantly. I mean, how many of those hit all over the place that we're just not aware of because it was 10,000 years ago and now it's covered in jungle wherever the impact was.

Oh, yeah. You know? I mean, if we're having trouble tracking the evolution of our own species, the amount of, I think the limits of our knowledge at this point are so incredibly vast. I think there are also very natural cycles. If you look at just population growth, for example, you look at elderly economies and how that affects their rise and decline. Japan, negative growth rates, places like in certain countries in Europe. You can just predict this stuff like 10, 20 years out. But I think that things grow and then they die.

That's just the cycle. And you can apply that to people. You could apply it to just about any life cycle. And you can apply that to people. You could apply it to just about any life form, but you can also apply it to, uh, companies. You can apply it to countries. If you had to extrapolate, okay. What we know now is that we had a bunch of disenfranchised Europeans and various people from all over the world. They found this spot that just 10,000 years ago had been covered with a mile high sheet sheet of ice. You know, the climate shifts. All of a sudden, North America becomes viable property.

Everybody moves here. We establish this new sort of a civilization. What we believe is the most advanced or the percolating at the highest levels, you know, when it comes to military and money and economy and creativity, this one pile called the United States. If you had to extrapolate and look at the trends and look at what's next, what do you think could be next? What's next?

Because this is a place that was created just a few lifetimes ago, really. In the 1700s, in the course of human history, it's a very small amount of time. In the course of the history of the world, it's merely a blink of an eye. It's nothing. But in that time, this new type of civilization, supposedly new type of really bullshit at the end, it becomes just as corrupt as all the other ones before. But the idea of it, this is the first in history like this.

The people are like, fuck where you're at, get in a boat, come on over here. We've got a new spot. We're just going to get away from those douchebags in history like this. You know, that people would be like, fuck where you're at, get in a boat, come on over here, we got a new spot and we're just gonna get away from those douchebags and we're gonna try our own thing out. Is it possible that that could happen again?

Is it possible that, you know, some other spot opens up and people decide to do this one more time? I mean, I can't imagine it, but I do imagine it sometimes.

When Bush won the second term in 2004, I fucking seriously thought about moving to Canada I really did I was like this place is going to get blown up

this crazy assholes invading all these countries on dubious evidence and it turns out they lied about a bunch of different shit and weapons

of mass destruction from the moment they got in there was an idea to go over there and this was just what they could find to fit their agenda

and they shove all the facts and pseudo facts into one situation just so they can force this on people i was like we're gonna get blown up i don't want to get blown up i'm gonna fucking go to canada where nobody fucks with anybody yeah i think that a lot of people for example are concerned about china and india so it's sort of like china versus the u.s and that doesn't scare me. I'm actually very bearish on China. But I think that what is not obvious to most people is that at the highest levels of government, private enterprise, you have this military industrial complex that spans across these countries. And that's the stuff that really scares me. And having centralized food production that scares me

what doesn't scare me about China is China's not trying to conquer the world, they're trying to do business you know, yeah I think they're doing some fucked up things to some of their towns as far as pollution China has some of the worst standards of it's horrible, I've seen there's a video online of one city in China

that you live there and it's like smoking three packs of cigarettes a day. It's incredible. They had cameras. I believe it was one of those Vice Guide to TVs. I think it was a VBS.TV doc, and they went there, and they were filming the air. And you're looking up, and you're like, oh, my God, this is impossible. These people are breathing coal.

They're just breathing in coal in the air. But China's not trying to conquer the world. They're just trying to make money. They're trying to— They'll be very well positioned China's not trying to conquer the world. They're just trying to make money. They'll be very well positioned if they do want to conquer the world. Because what they've been doing, I mean, I lived in Argentina for a bit, and then I was in Africa, in Kenya

for the first time, and they're buying, they're very smart about acquiring resources and pipelines for petroleum, and also buying mines for production of things like copper. They've been absolutely brilliant. I mean, you go to a place like Argentina, which is, I think it's the eighth largest country in the world.

And because of the range from tropics like Iguazu Falls in Brazil, which borders Argentina, all the way down to Antarctica, they're very rich natural resources. And you go there and in all the major cities, you have, like, the Chinese Trade Bureau. U.S., nowhere to be found. Then you go to Kenya, and you look around, like, everything being built, Chinese. And they've been very smart about it. And I think that that also, maybe we're digressing a little bit, but that's okay, is there is a benefit at times to very clear hierarchy and having that top-down type of governance.

I think that democracy does have weaknesses, and one of them is oftentimes speed. So in an accelerating world, I'm not saying democracy is a bad thing. I think it's one of the better systems we have, but it's very hard to compete. With a single vision. Yeah, with a sort of unified, top down capitalist dictatorship. I mean, like, they want to change something? Great. Like, five guys

snap their fingers and make it happen. Doesn't have to go through the House, doesn't have to go through the Senate, doesn't have to sit around and have these lobbyists fuck with it, and so forth and so on. And I think there are pros and cons, but there's certainly a lot faster. Yeah, the system that we have in place, place obviously is a fucking mess. I just don't know how anybody would ever replace it.

We had a guy here the other day, Pinchbeck, also believe that society is going to collapse 100%. He believes that. What does it look like when that happens? That's what I said. First of all, I said, how can you say anything's going to happen 100%? That's one of the most silly things you could ever say. Because how do you know that your fucking head's not going to explode right there while we're talking? You could have an aneurysm. Nobody knows they're coming.

They just happen. How do you know that we're not going to get hit by a meteor? How do we know that a comet's not going to fucking push Earth off its axis too far from the sun? We all fucking freeze to death. Shit like this happens in the solar system. It happens all the time. All the time. Planets hit other planets. Galaxies collide with other galaxies.

How the fuck can you tell me society's 100% going to collapse? I mean, that seems like really silly. I don't think that's even close to the case. I don't think society has to collapse. I just think it's not going to stay this way. I think that's pretty obvious. It's changing, it's moving, it's not going to stay this way. People are obviously fed up with the financial system that we have in place right now,

but what are they doing about it? What can be done about it? What's the substitution they suggest? There's another book that was recommended to me by a guy named Matt Mullenweg. He was one of the lead developers of WordPress. What was his name again? Matt Mullenweg. Matt Mullenweg.

Yeah, a really smart guy. Mullenweg. Matt Mullenweg. Yeah. A really smart guy. And he introduced me to The Black Swan by Nassim Taleb, which is really about rare events and how poor humans are at predicting or even planning for rare events. It's a great book though. It's like a guide to critical thinking. It's awesome. But the analogy that he uses in that book is, you know, just because the Thanksgiving turkey hasn't been killed for 200 days doesn't mean it's not going to get killed. Whereas we always do this. Financial markets, relationships, whatever it might be, it'll be like, well, it hasn't happened so far, so it can't happen. I call it the anthill effect. This is my analogy. I say, when you see an anthill sitting out

in the field, that anthill might have been there for a year. Those ants might have been patiently constructing this giant mound, and there's a million ants in there going to work every single day, and every day that they've been alive, that ant hill's been there. But one day there's a little fat kid in the field, and he sees that ant hill, and he stomps the fucking shit out of it, and not a single ant ever sees him coming. And he's just sitting there hitting it with sticks. He pours gasoline on it. He lights it on fire.

He shits on it. He pisses on it. Why? Because he could, because he wanted to, and that shits on it, he pisses on it. Why? Because he could. Because he wanted to. And that could have happened any day. That's the universe. The universe is a fat kid stomping and shitting on your anthill.

I mean, really. That's what it is, right? It all could happen at any moment. Yellowstone is my number one freak out. You know, the super volcano. You're not in a world. No. Son. The Caldera volcano that is 300

kilometers wide. Where is this? It's Yellowstone itself. It's in Yellowstone. They did not know that Yellowstone was a giant volcano. A super volcano. One of the ones that they call it an extinction event because it'll kill almost everything on the continent every 6 to eight hundred thousand years wow the last time it

happened was six hundred thousand years ago oops so we literally do and they have thousands of earthquakes in yellowstone every year literally thousands of earthquakes and what yellowstone is is a gigantic super volcano what a caldera volcano, it's a volcano that builds up and when it explodes, it's so violent that it literally blows the top off and just becomes a flat crater. There's nothing left. Just the entire volcano explodes. The whole thing shoots up

into the fucking sky and everyone dies. It just fucks everything up. They realize that this happens. Like I said, every supposedly 6,000 to 800,000 years is a major eruption that just fucking blows up and kills everything this is what banking on retirement 40 years yeah it's not a good idea you just never know when caldera is gonna fucking hit you in closing what advice would you give people if uh you know what what is the the best advice that you can give someone to to live a fun and productive life? I'll actually do another recommendation.

I would say you need to train yourself to recognize what's in your control, out of your control, and then not emotionally over-respond to things outside of your control. The best guide to that that I've ever found is Letters from a Stoic, written by Seneca. It was written 2,000 years ago. It's a series of letters, short letters, from Seneca, who's the most successful playwright, investment banker,

advisor to the emperor, as well as philosopher of his day. And it could just as easily apply today. So I would say that would be, it's a short book, that would be my recommendation. Well, my favorite things are reading inspirational books and blog entries and listening to books on taste by people who have done what you've done, spend a lot of time breaking things down. And there's so much insight that people can get from your books from four hour work week and a four hour

body and the videos that you put online. I think you're doing an awesome thing, man. And anybody who does things along these lines, you're putting out all this information, and you're affecting the way people think and process information, and it's awesome, man. I think it's a great thing. And thanks for being on, man. It was really cool. Really love talking to you. I'd love to have you on again. Yeah, my pleasure. I'd love to come back.

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