The Joe Rogan Experience - #1374 - Justin Wren

Episode Date: October 31, 2019

Justin Wren is an American MMA fighter. Justin is currently fighting in the Heavyweight division of Bellator to help raise more awareness for helping the Pygmy people of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Donate to Fight For The Forgotten at https://fightfortheforgotten.org/heroes

And we're live. about him at all but uh what the the notebook is yeah oh so you bought one of his notebooks yeah it's uh goes along with his new york times best-selling book called clear where you put down your daily habits and then you just kind of can check them off as you do them what's your what's your daily habits i have a morning routine where i wake up and um where i'm at i have a peloton so i jump on that for like 30 minutes right in the morning right when i get out of bed right when you get out of bed well right when i get out of bed i do 15 minutes of breathing just breathing yeah but i do like five minutes i do that too it's called laying in bed there you go yeah drifting awake i kind of drift away for 15 20 minutes what kind of breathing you doing so just kind of focused

where i breathe in six to eight seconds and kind of count the in breath then count the hold and then count the exhale so So it's a meditation. Mm-hmm. And you do that for 15 minutes every morning? 15 minutes. Three short ones, back to back to back. They're through Headspace. And I actually just got a new phone.

I don't have the new Headspace downloaded, but I have three five-minute breathing techniques that are really three to five minutes each. So sometimes it's only like nine minutes. And what do you get out of that? For me, I think I'm just kind of setting the tone for the day. Um, and just kind of clearing my mind and set a first thing. I used to be bad about this first thing waking up,

I'd grab my phone. Everybody does that. And then it would be emails, text messages, notifications. Yeah. Um, and then you're starting your day reactive instead of proactive.

Ooh, I like what you're saying, Justin. I like this thinking. Yeah, wake up, do that. I get on the Peloton right after that. I try to drink a liter of water. Now you got me on this layered superfood. It's a great thing to get going with.

It is so good. I love this stuff. His coffee, particularly his turmeric. I love it. Yes, that's what this is. This is my first time having that. It's always out. So good for you. First of all, turmeric. I love it. Yes, that's what this is. This is my first time having that. It's always out. So good for you.

First of all, turmeric is amazing for you. Fight off inflammation. And then this with coffee as well. Oh, man. It tastes so good, too. Have you had the hydrate? Not the coffee, but the hydrate. Is that another one of his products?

Yes. I have not tried that. Oh, my gosh. I should have brought it for you. I'm in California, and we had this already set up. But a buddy of mine walked across America for fight for the forgotten. Um, he heard, uh, us on the show.

You know him? I didn't know him before the show. So he said, I'm going to walk across the entire country for the pygmies. Right. Wow. Yeah. And, uh, which was wild. Um, he had already done something year before for the paradise fires.

He's a professional drummer. Um, actually you got to meet him, uh, right before we walked in here. Yeah. Yep. He's one of the cowboy hat, the Paradise Fires. He's a professional drummer. Actually, you got to meet him right before we walked in here. Just out there, yeah. He's wearing the cowboy hat, the Stetson. He's the second guy that I know that walked across America this year. Mike Posner's the other one we've been talking about coming on. Mike and I have been going back and forth. He got bit by a fucking rattlesnake.

Jeremy has some wild stories. He actually just started this adventure coffee brand. His drum company's called Beats from the like needs from the drum core and then he had beats for a cause and so last year he did it for the paradise fires this year he did it for fight for the forgotten i can't believe how many people i know that have coffee companies matt brown immortal coffee lear hamilton coffee Matt Brown Immortal Coffee Lear Hamilton Coffee Tate Fletcher And Keith Jardine Caveman Coffee Black Rifle Coffee

All those guys I love the Black Rifle Coffee guys Their stuff is the shit Big Brown's got one Well Schaub's through Black Rifle Yeah He just got You know

Well we just had our team loaded up Actually the documentary team That I know Kind of through you Because they do A lot of your Netflix specials They do all my specials All of them yeah and they've done everything since they're the best they've done everything since 2009 everything that i've done positive image my

boy anthony giordano who's a director of the ufc he's the best yeah he's awesome i've gotten to meet him a time or two and then brady i've gotten to spend a lot of time with He's the vice president And he's come to Uganda with me Jesus He's gone to Vegas Jesus Brady And Colorado And Oklahoma And Texas

Hey how are you physically? Because you were saying that you had some crazy parasite Yes I have a lot of stuff that's still being tested Jesus man So that's actually Well first reason I came I'll share a little bit of my last week for you

Went up to Redding My first time up to Northern California. It's beautiful up there. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. The river right there. So green. Yes, absolutely. I didn't even know that.

Yeah. And all the fly fishing that was going on up there. Yeah. I've never gotten the hang of fly fishing, but I love it. It looks like it's so, I don't know, therapeutic. Yeah, it's not hard. You could get it in a couple minutes. You're smart, dude.

Therapeutic, yeah. I mean, you're get it in a couple minutes you're smart dude yeah i mean you're an athlete you'd figure it out quick well jeremy literally walked from the brooklyn bridge all the way to reading the sundale bridge is 3100 miles does he know about flights i think his story is actually really unique you'd like it uh he grew up with uh uh well he was put in like special education classes um because he had Tourette's really really bad Tourette's to where he had these ticks where he'd slap his foot um what causes that i have no idea but he had these ticks and the stutter well through this walk and through drumming he thinks he started to rewire the neural pathways in his brain because

he knew the walk no the walk and the drumming so he just did the walk right just did it and but he finished the walk and he said whenever he was playing stadiums drumming right like that's the that's the pinnacle of being a professional drummer sure playing stadiums with tens of thousands of people so he's back there drumming and it's before his first time he's ever come out and drum that way. Well, he's drumming, and instead of him being in the moment, thinking about, wow, I'm at the pinnacle of my sport, or not sport, but of my art, he's literally thinking about how he wishes there'd be a day

that he could grab the microphone and just state one clear sentence where there wasn't a stutter. So he's literally back there. He's arrived, or at least what a lot of people would say is his arrival, first stadium tour, and then all of a sudden he's literally back there he's arrived or at least what a lot of people would say is his arrival first stadium tour and then all of a sudden he's thinking about just having a clear sentence um in a conversation with people there was something that i just read really recently about a new treatment for Tourette's hmm jeremy would tell you that it was drumming that really helped him because he went, he went from Reading to up to Seattle. He was in the grunge scene. And then I think his name is Steve Smith

or Sean Smith, maybe Steve Smith that started the Seattle drum school of music. They're really prestigious school. They would send kids off to a like Berkeley school of music. And then they would graduate from Berkeley and they'd come back and they'd hire them as their instructors. steve smith saw jeremy and said hey i want you to be an instructor at my school and jeremy kind of laughed i can't read music i didn't graduate high school how would i ever be a drum teacher at the seattle drum school of music he's like well i'm the owner i'll coach you for two years and then you'll be a drum teacher lo and behold two years later he's literally a drum teacher there for 10 full years. What kind of a person has that much commitment to somebody that they say, I want to coach

you for two years before I give you a job? Yeah. Wild, right? That's pretty crazy. I became his mentor. That's pretty crazy. I started loving him. So he was able to start having fluid conversations.

Then he did the Paradise Fires fundraiser. Then he walked all the way across America. He fell off a 40 foot cliff, got surrounded by coyotes out there. He was in Oklahoma and he came through our, and then he ended up in the middle of nowhere, Oklahoma, in the panhandle. And these cops came by and said, hey, who are you? Because he set up his tent. And 90% of people that do this walk, they fail within the first 400 miles. Yeah, that's a long way to walk.

Oh, yeah. And you still got 3,000 to go. And then the people that do complete it, kind of like Mike, right? They have an assistance vehicle the whole way where they're sleeping there, they're being fed, or they have some comforts. And he didn't do that. He just backpacked it. So you're saying Mike's a pussy? I'm not saying that about Mike.

That's what I heard. James, did you hear that? I didn't say that. I heard that too. I just said my guy Jeremy. Mike has an assistance vehicle? He had an assistance vehicle? I think he had a camper, right?

I guess he needed it when he got bit. Mm-hmm. You know? And so Jeremy didn't. He fell off that cliff. He had a mountain lion that I guess purred or whatever sniffed at his tent. Oh, great. And when he came out, he had footprints all around it.

So he documented everything. Jesus. Pretty wild. Surrounded by coyotes, huh? Yeah, surrounded by coyotes. Oh, and a prison break happened. Oh, Jesus. While he was out there He looks like a prisoner

He looks like a guy I would scoop up If there was a prison break I'd be like this fucking guy Well he told him Well don't worry about it You know if you hear sirens It's probably the tornadoes

Because the The bad weather coming in Oh great Tornadoes So a tornado siren He thought went off But it was actually The prison break siren

Oh First time they had those In like 20 years But it was the night he was right outside the prison so he's got some stories man and then for me i came out here i completed the walk with him i did the last like day with him so 20 miles and i was sore for a week after just walking up and down these hills really i'm not a week three or four days you're in really good shape i'm in good shape but but stop stop all this guy about this guy i want to hear about your parasites oh yeah so what's going on well there's still more testing but they did find something called schistosomiasis

in me so schisto um is from the tropical rainforest of africa um i think that's the only place that exists but it comes from these snails and so because i probably bathed not because i probably i have bathed in the rivers there um been in the rivers going across you get it in your mouth no uh they can get into your skin i was real itchy for a couple weeks there and what that was was some of the like parasites i guess um what'd you call it they're they're like egg sacs or something that got on me yeah got inside of my stomach my liver oh jesus could be potentially even in my brain in your brain potentially so so they don't know yet well they uh what's today today's wednesday right yeah one day i did my final exams and uh i did three full days with this doctor dr daniel amen he would be phenomenal for

the show by the way. He's incredible. Two TED Talks, millions of views. Stop, stop, stop. You're such a great promoter of your friends. Yeah, yeah, sure. You divert and you want to talk about them. I want to talk about you. Okay, let's talk about me.

What's going on with your brain? I saw him because I kept getting jerked around by all these different doctors. It's this, it's this, it's this, it's this. And I've had numerous endoscopies to go look in my stomach because why am I throwing up? And one says it is an ulcer. Another comes out and says your stomach's perfect inside. It's a little red, but like there's no ulcer whatsoever. And so I have schisto.

I've had an intestinal bacteria that's really bad called Shigella. I've had malaria three times. I've had dengue fever. So dengue was in me for at least a month the cdc found it in me but you've had this parasite in you for a long time now how many months at least six um since april and have you been able to train at all during this time ups and downs so i was at the police and fire training center of oklahoma city and i was just helping them um there's some really great guys there. And, uh, I was helping them and the fire chief ended up putting me in the cold shower for like 20 minutes. Cause I got so what they said, I got like ghostly white and I started,

uh, dry heaving and I was just shaky all over. This is all from your parasites. Yeah. Jesus. And so it's up and down. I'll, I'll start, I'll start getting in shape. I'll start losing weight. I'll start, um, I'll start feeling good. And and then i just crash i've had shingles five times joe what the fuck five times and what can we do about this stuff well i'm i'm starting to do hyperbarics um hyperbaric oxygen therapy um got a prescription for that and uh that's been helping more than anything right now yeah um i'm trying to have that morning routine protect my sleep eat right uh my wife helps me meal prep. I have juices all through the day.

I have a superfood coffee. I'm doing all the stuff I can. I was on 28 pills a day for four or five weeks in a row. Just for this parasite? Yeah. Well, a whole parasite cleanse because they think I could have a parasite that they haven't found. Oh, Jesus Christ. I think I could have a parasite that they haven't found or that they haven't like, um, that's not because I'm going so remote Joe in the forest.

They think I could have picked up something crazy. So they, they just did a Lyme Lyme's disease test on me. Uh, this was on Monday. So Lyme's disease, they did a cheek swab from like genetics. They did, uh, hair. So they cut off like, uh, six different spots of hair. Glowing locks. Yeah. So they cut that. My wife was, uh, my mom were teasing me because i was like crying about it i was like don't cut it here don't cut it here um so they took six spots uh of hair samples from me um blood urine stool

samples um they did two different kinds of brain scans on me. So they literally injected something that was very minorly radioactive in me so that it could light up all the different spots in my brain activity. So where there's too much blood flow or there's not enough. things I found on the scan, which I already knew, but they can test, um, not just stuff for like CTE or mild traumatic brain injury and TBI before autopsy. Now these brain scans, um, they can also test for, um, like PTSD. And so there's this, there's this diamond in the middle of your brain and you're only supposed to have a little bit of activity there, just very, very small. But if you have this, what they call the ring of fire, this diamond of red and white being lit up on the brain scans, that literally shows that you have PTSD.

I had Dakota Meyer in here. Do you know who he is? Yeah. Dakota. That was an incredible podcast. I meant to text you afterwards. He's an amazing guy. If people haven't heard that one, go back and watch it.

It's one of my favorites that you've had. Dakota's a legitimate hero. But one of the favorites that you've had dakota's a legitimate hero but one of the things that he was saying was that they injected him and this do you remember what the blocker was called that blocker skg or whatever the blocker was he described it and he said it completely stopped his ptsd yeah cured all of his anxiety see if you can find it jamie just so we could reference it. I remember that. I sent it to my wife.

She's in psychology right now. She's going to be a counselor. And I sent that to her because they were talking about PTSD. And the teacher said, oh, yeah, that's been around for a while, too. And that's what Dakota said. Yeah. It's been around for a while. I think they made a clip that Jerry Clips guys did.

What's it called? Stellate ganglion block. Yes. Yeah. SGB. SGB blocker. Stellate ganglion blocker. Yes. Yes. Yeah. SGB. SGB blocker. Stellate ganglion. Yes.

Ganglion. Yeah. Yeah. That, he said, it just instantly alleviated all of his problems. Yeah. Which is insane. I mean, like, wouldn't you love that?

Yes. The miracle cure. They give you a shot. Boom. Your problems go away. Absolutely. Didn't he say it lasts for like a year? I think he said six months to a year,

depending on, it kind of, you have to have other traumatic stuff. I'm thinking of doing it, even though I don't have anything wrong. Yeah. I just want to feel great. Well, this is what's crazy.

Oh, and Dakota said that, but this Dr. Daniel Amen, who's got like, he's a 10-time New York Times bestselling author, and he's got a book about PTSD. And basically, he was saying that, yeah, that shot really, really does work. Um, and people have been doing it for years and with veterans, um, it's one of the quickest. Do they think that you have some PTSD? Yeah. So he was saying this, what Dakota said, you just queued that up where, where it triggered that in my memory where, um, the most common PTSD is car wrecks.

I think that's what Dakota said, right? Yes. Is car wrecks cause the most PTSD. Same spots in your brain, that diamond of fire. And then it's something you can't avoid, right? You have to go back and be in public transportation or get in your own car. Do you have them from car accidents? No, not from car accidents.

What do you think you have it from? From some tough stuff in the rainforest, whether it's Uganda or Congo. from from some tough stuff um in the rainforest whether it's uganda or congo um we've had to flee from a village whenever a rebel group came into the village next to us and they killed six or eight people and we're all fleeing across the river in these like little pygmy dugout canoes which aren't big enough really for me um and we're trying to flee across the river before the sun's even up and there's like crocodiles and hippos in the water. And then, and then a couple other really terrible things.

I mean, I've, I've held kids that have died and buried them and dug their graves. And that's happened numerous times. We've had machine guns pointed at us. I won't get into that story too much, but we talked about that. One of those stories before. Yeah.

And someone, someone I love was a bunch of people that I love were with me. uh so that was really tough because we were unarmed and we're being threatened um and so that was tough um and then and then some like childhood stuff i think uh different kinds of abuses bullying and stuff like that some public shaming and um different things like that i think i think one bullying moment that I even kind of forgot about until going through this with Dr. Amen was I was in the locker room, and this little guy named Radon that I've been hanging out with a lot, he was just beat up in the bathroom.

I saw that video. The video that was online is a horrible video of these kids beating him up. But then I saw him with you. Yeah. Yeah. So that's been fun. What are you doing with him? Man, it's great. Perking up his spirits? Yeah. Just wanting to rally around him. you. Yeah. Yeah. So that's been fun. What are you doing with them? Just man, it's, it's great.

Perking up the spirits. Yeah. You just want to, to, to rally around them, you know, surround them with love and support and compassion. We're in the same town.

No shit. Yeah. In the same town, Oklahoma city. So actually Jamie, is it okay to play one of those videos I saved? It's called Raiden videos and it's the first one, but just for people that haven't seen it, you and Dakota talked about this, and you and Laird, about the diffusion of responsibility.

Is that what it's called? Yes. And people can just stand around and watch. Right. Well, that's what happened with Raiden in the urinal. Actually, not this video, but the next one. This one's a fun, supportive one. And then this one right here is just, uh, him at the

urinal going to the bathroom. I don't want to watch this just real quick after that. There's, um, so that's him at the urinal. There's eight to 10 kids in the bathroom. They actually think up to 12, four or five are just filming it. And he's got special needs he's born with autism deaf in his right ear so he's got a a hearing aid um he's diabetic he's got diabetes in his family and he's been relentlessly bullied since he was nine years old this is him at the so the bathroom was on thursday this is on friday after school three kids jumping them hitting them from all sides for no reason for no reason he's a big teddy bear and uh he just his mom said since her picking him up at school in kindergarten first grade second grade kids would just walk up and hit him in the stomach um or punch him in the arm okay let's stop yeah we don't have to keep playing it but uh so but it's really cool that you reached

out to him yeah well they they i guess knew about fight for the forgotten and we're in the same town and so a dad reached out to jim stewart you've met jim he's our director and uh jim hit me up right away and said hey is this a kid that we could we could rally around that you could you know we want to do all this we have a curriculum for bully prevention and i think character development is bully prevention so if you have good character you're not going to bully well that's one of the things that I've always said about martial arts. Believe it or not, learning how to fight is one of the best ways to keep people from being assholes. Absolutely. Which is so counterintuitive, but it really is.

Because a lot of people being bullies, it comes from a lack of confidence. Right. And confident people are generally pretty kind. Yeah. Confident, accomplished people. And you know yourself, so you don't have this need to prove anything. you know yourself so you don't have these need this need to improve prove yourself you don't have that insecurity yes the need to diminish others right yeah and the other beautiful thing about gyms particularly jujitsu i think

is that everybody kind of boosts everybody up it's a real family sort of camaraderie feeling a real those environments almost every gym i've ever been to every jujitsu gym that's good they have this family environment to it and it just makes you feel like you belong somewhere and you get used to being kind to people and nice to people yeah even even if someone catches you with a technique they'll show you yeah they'll show you this is you know you left your arm here when you were transitioning and if you do that it gets stuck and this is why i can catch you yeah humble hearts yeah so with with jujitsu or with martial arts if you hurt your training partner you lose right the person that's helping you get better yes and so as you help them get better they make you better

and it's this give and take where actually the more you give the more you get in return because you're making them a better training partner a better person and i think martial arts takes it to another level i've i've done numerous sports parents, I grew up with them being the professional or official photographers of like the Dallas Cowboys and the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Mavericks. And so I grew up around professional athletes. Um, but what's so different, I think about martial artists and why people love MMA one because of sports so pure and it's like a chess match and it's an incredible sport, but the athletes they truly are more approachable and i think that they're more giving and compassionate and more

community-minded and driven not that other athletes aren't but just a martial artist are so more yes because they've had it drilled into them from having mentors and other black belts yeah that are on this lifelong journey of even service to others. That's part of the black belt journey and self-respect and discipline. And, um, one of the things that bothers me about all this trash talking lately, the trash talking trend in MMA that was really,

I mean, when people saw how much money Conor McGregor was able to make, it just became this promotion tool just, and Chael Sonnen was a part of it too. Just guys just relentlessly talk shit about them i'm so torn because in one on one hand it's very entertaining yeah and i do enjoy it right but on the other hand i'm like man that is the wrong message to send it kind of removes some of the beauty of what competition is yeah like what the beauty of competition is two people

respecting each other but being aware that they're you know they're going to have to go to battle and you know they're equally skilled equally trained and we're going to find out who's who's got the more effective strategy or implementation and here we go but now it's like you can't sell a fight without some shit talking right it's like it's changed from this martial arts thing sort of this promotion of this thuggish behavior, which again, hypocritically,

I enjoy. Right. I do enjoy it. Right. You know, when people talk shit, I clap my hands and get a kick out of it.

Yeah. But I'm a dummy. Well, one thing pretty cool about jujitsu, what you're saying, one, Raphael wanted me to,

he texted me coming in here that he wanted me to tell you what's up. Oh, tell him I said hi. Congratulations. Yeah. Bellator world champion. Champion. Yeah. Champion. So that's awesome. Oh, tell him I said hi. Congratulations. Yeah. Bellator World Champion.

Champion. Champion. So that's awesome. Gagarin Massassi talking a lot of shit about him being on steroids. Yeah. Must not like the squeeze. Man, he is the most disciplined, obsessed, and yeah, just dedicated person I've ever met in my life. Yeah, that's how you become a champion.

I mean, the way that he eats, the way that he's i mean trained sleeps schedules everything around him being the world champion and everyone else has to kind of these uh and that that goal that dream accusations of steroids with no uh proof whatsoever seems unfortunate yeah you know i mean in this all this nate diaz shit that happened there's a there's here's the issue for people to understand what happened with Nate Diaz. Nate Diaz tested positive for a trace element of something called SARM, S-A-R-M. It's a type of – it's basically a performance enhancing substance, but it existed in a minuscule trace amount in a vegan vitamin supplement. And the reason these things are being found is that the tests that they can run now,

the USADA testing, the equipment, is so powerful. It's so much more powerful than it's ever been before that the problem is they're working with tools that are almost too good. So instead of catching people cheating, they're catching people that just have come in contact with something that's illegal it might have been like this the tiniest amount that was in a bin that they also used to mix these vitamins they didn't clean it properly you know minuscule parts per million there's a little tiny amount but these usada machines will pick that shit up and so then it looks like someone

like nate diaz who everybody there's some people that are beyond reproach nate diaz you know he's never been on never he's not cheating that are beyond reproach. Nate Diaz is one of those. You know he's never been on anything. Never. He's not cheating at all. That's enhanced his performance. I don't even, yeah. Well, maybe wheat does, but I don't even think he eats meat. I mean, I think he's very clean with his diet.

I think he just eats, I know he's eaten fish in the past. There's a Vice video of him out eating with Bourdain and they're eating fish. Yeah. I don't know if he still eats fish, but he's very clean with his diet and very clean with his supplements and what he eats. Right. Well, you talking about jujitsu and Raphael and just how martial arts,

how it teaches you that character development. You're going to like this. I got you a couple of gifts, my man. I don't know if you ever seen someone come in with a suitcase. I have a studio. You have. Yes.

But before you give me these gifts, I don't want to lose track of what I was asking you about your health. Okay. So what are they doing and what can they do about what you have? So when you said you might have some crazy shit, meaning you might have a parasite that they don't even know yet. Yes. So that might be undiagnosed. That's why they did my urine, blood, stool, hair, and cheek swab samples.

So it's possible that you have something that very few human beings have ever had because you're in this deep, deep, deep, deep jungle. Yeah. How long does it take you to get to where you go? Well, it depends on where we go. The deepest place. Okay. A plane from Oklahoma City to normally Chicago or Dulles or JFK or Atlanta. And then we go to Amsterdam or London or is it Qatar or Qatar?

I think it's Qatar. Qatar, okay. I think. And then we'll fly either from there to Nairobi, Kenya or Kigali, Rwanda. And then from there, you connect to Kampala, Uganda. then from there you connect to Kampala, Uganda. And then from there you get a private like missions or humanitarian plane. That's just you and the pilot. And so you take that plane from there to you from Uganda to Congo, and then you land, you do customs, and then you get back in the plane and you go and you land on a runway that normally they have just cleared

with machetes. So how many times you're flying, you're a runway that normally they have just cleared with machetes. So how many times are you flying? You're flying from Oklahoma City. Let's just say Oklahoma City to JFK. JFK to London. Two planes. So two to London. London to? Kenya.

Kenya. Kenya to Uganda. Four. Uganda to Congo. Five. And then you get in the plane again to go out to the rain so six planes six flights at least five planes how many days uh that's normally two or three days jeez and then um 30 hours or something of travel and then after that you get in a car and it could

be six hours so where you land used to be in the rainforest but you drive six hours now to get to the rainforest how come because it's deforestation so bad the deforestation in the last 25 years they've cut down about the size of texas it's pretty wild we've we've we've helped replant 4 000 trees but that's not even scratching the surface who's doing this who's deforesting everybody um uh it's a lot of uh chinese uk um and outsiders that come in and exploit the rainforest there's a lot of mahogany in the area um what is it ebony um there's a lot of rubber licenses to do this no no they just do it they just they just send someone in and cut down the trees so no one goes to do it. So no one stops them? No.

So they just claim the resources they don't have? On the border, they might have to pay some sort of bribe or tax. They call them VAT. Wow. VAT or taxes. They call them VAT? Yeah, V-A-T. That's the Ugandan way to say taxes.

Oh, man. And then from there, that drive, that six hours, sometimes it's taken 25 hours one time, and another time it took 47 hours. Same drive. 47? Yeah. Why did it take 47? Oh, I think we helped get 40-something cars out of the way that were stuck in the mud. So it's really silty there.

You don't call Congo roads roads. I've never been on tarmac in Congo. Actually, that's a lie. I have been on tarmac in congo actually that's why i have been in uh on cement in goma but outside of goma there are no uh concrete roads anywhere tarmac roads so uh i've seen an 18 wheeler or lorry um three-fourths of the way sunk to where it's up to their window the driver's side window up to silt and how they get it out i don't know that one that one was just kind of in the graveyard that one was like uh done no one's getting that thing out really yeah so you just

i mean you're going around mountains and you look down to the side and you'll see four eight twelve vehicles that have flipped off oh fuck this justin i'm kidding damn it there's some vice videos of uh the craziest roads in the world. A lot of them are in Congo. Some say Rwanda because there's so many hills. It's the land of a thousand hills. And so there's so many sharp turns. And they take those turns at 40, 50, 60 miles an hour.

And so they'll literally just fly off the mountain. So you catch this parasite. You've gone through all these tests. I mean, this has been, I mean, we've been talking about it on the podcast for podcast for several months now so for me hearing that you're still dealing with it is really disturbing what what can they do about this what are they gonna do i think getting off that cleanse i mean i was on 28 pills for four weeks maybe five weeks um and some of it were like antibiotics but i have to stay away from certain antibiotics. Here's the thing, a couple of things that I know I have PTSD, um, because of my brain scans. Um, and then they see in my brain toxicity.

And so, um, the toxicity in my brain, which kind of form these little divots, um, but not really divots. It's not really changing the biology or makeup of my brain. But it's just activity of my brain isn't fully developed right there where it's being toxins are there that are either from mefloquine or from Cipro. Have you heard of Cipro toxicity? What's the first one? Mefloquine. What is that stuff? That's a malaria drug.

Oh, geez. That nobody should take for any reason. Really? It used to be the drug of choice for our military. Now tens of thousands of our military veterans, if you look up mefloquine toxicity, military times, they've done two articles. One was just a month or two ago. But the first one showed that tens of thousands of our military veterans have wrongly been diagnosed with PTSD. And it's been because of this mefloquine.

So they never saw war, the mefloquine toxicity of the brain. It's like this poison for your brain. Um, and if you've taken it for like six months, you can have it. It starts giving you bad nightmares. Um,

you can have different kinds of mood swings and different stuff. Um, health, uh, joint aches, um, fatigue, all sorts of different things. But, health, uh, joint aches, um, fatigue, all sorts of different things.

But, um, basically what mefloquine toxicity of the brain does, well, tens of thousands have been wrongly diagnosed with it when they take it for once a, once a week. So you take the pill once a week and that was why it was our drug of choice. Instead of it being every day or two times a day, you just take it once a week. Well, when I had malaria the three times, I was allergic to the normal malaria medication, quinine and artifan and some other drugs like doxycycline and malarone. I wasn't responding to those.

Well, I was vomiting. I was, I was allergic to them. So mefloquine, my body digested the best, or I just took it the best. So the three times I had malaria, they gave me two in the morning, two midday, and two at night. And so I'm taking six in a day for five to seven days. And these other guys that were getting mefloquine toxicity were taking it once a week for six months. So I had 30 to 42 in a week's time. I had six months in a week's time.

And I did that three different times. Why are they giving you so much? It was what my body was responding to against malaria. The first time I lost 33 pounds in five days. And so I was vomiting red and green, blood and bile. I lost most of my hearing. My peripheral vision started disappearing. I had something called black water fever where my urine was literally as dark as that that black clock um take pictures of it i didn't i probably

should have it freaked me out uh five days i didn't urinate and then when i finally did if you google uh black water fever one in four or one in two people that get it they die you didn't urinate for how many five days five days i couldn't pee oh my god they were trying to uh get ivs in me my veins were collapsing oh jesus um so that was that was pretty brutal um but yeah man so uh i'm getting my health better there because i do want to fight again if i can how can you if you have this stuff in your brain? Well, I'm journaling my road to recovery. But if they don't know what this parasite is, how are they treating it? Like, how are they going to get out of your system?

Well, hopefully they don't find anything because I just got off those rounds of... So they're testing me for Lyme disease. They're testing me for all these kind of parasites, amoebas, bacterias. You can get Lyme disease in the Congo? Well, I've been camping out here and i've gotten like a bit by five or ten ticks or something like that so um but yeah there there's these wicked kind of ticks um my record is pulling five roaches out of my beard in one night christ so there's tons of bugs there do you know does they have does oklahoma have that rocky mountain

i think so tick not the Lone Star tick? Yes. The one that gives you a meat allergy? The Lone Star one, I've had that. Have you had that one? I've been bit by that one. I don't think I have a meat allergy, though. I hope not.

Yeah, that's a crazy one. What is it called? Alpha-gal, alpha-galactose. It's something that, it's the reaction that this tick bite gives you it makes you allergic to this specific element in red meat wow yeah you can only eat fish and like if you try to eat meat you'll get really sick wow it's crazy that is crazy but they're they're trying to figure it out why this is going to be crazy um why i'm 32 and i've had shingles five times uh my first time I got malaria, I don't know if you can see the white in my beard over here, but I got white in my beard.

The first time I had malaria, the second time I had malaria, I had white come out in my beard down here. So your body's just freaking out. Yeah. So then now I've got shingles, um, five times. Um, and then this is going to sound crazy, but I know I have to have a, uh, this might be too much information, but I know I have to have a bowel movement whenever my nose starts running. So literally whenever I have to go, my nose starts running and running and running. How is that connected?

I don't know. That's what they're looking into. They're like that. That's your second brain. And so it's, it, I don't know, it's digestion. Your looking into. They're like, that's your second brain. And so it's, I don't know, it's digestion. Your stomach is your second brain, they said. Oh, that's why they say trust your gut. Trust your gut.

It's got literally more neurons in your stomach than in your brain. Really? That's what the doctor was saying. I know that's the case with your heart as well, right? There's a bunch of neurons in your heart that they're realizing realizing now like that whole idea of trusting your heart trusting your gut like these uh these thought processes that people had might have actually been based on some intuitive understanding of how the body actually works which is really weird it is weird really weird strange everything everything's connected right everything's

connected that's not weird really okay i mean it makes sense over time and that's doctors in oklahoma are like we have no explanation for that and then the doctors out here were like oh that's because this is connected to this and they did all my blood work even though they did more blood labs before i ever came out here like a week or two ago they still poked me five more times to get more blood work uh because well three times they were drawing blood two times they were putting that stuff in me so they could do the brain. So you're getting better doctors out here. Yeah.

More, more informed. Yeah. More informed. And then, um, and man, have you heard of hyper barracks?

Yes. I know, um, Uriah Faber used it quite a bit after his fight with Jose Aldo. Yeah. When Aldo fucked his leg up, his legs swole up real bad. I'm telling you,

this is one of the biggest game changers i love the float uh go and float tanks i've done it at least 50 times um at float okc in oklahoma my wife and i that's our date night once a week we go and we do that um and i i float fight week at least twice a week i really believe in floating um hyper barracks is unlike anything i've ever done and felt immediate long-lasting benefits from like how so what does it make you feel i get better sleep than i've ever gotten that was instant almost i mean i noticed it the first night the second night i've done over 20 treatments now of hyperbarics you get in the tank um you put on an oxygen mask and

they fill the tank up with oxygen and you lay there for an hour and a half to two hours some people only takes an hour but i'm bigger and they take me to a lower depth. And then my ears kind of mess up on me a little bit on flights. They kind of get clogged up or whatever. Because of the hyperbaric chamber? No, it's just they've always done that on planes. And so it's like you're in a plane when you're in the hyperbarics. And what it does is it pressurizes the oxygen down into your cells.

So it's literally going into your mitochondria. That's what the new studies are showing. The oxygen gets in there and it promotes healing. And in your brain, it literally brings blood flow into every part of the brain that needs it. So it's one of the best things after a concussion. So I was with Radon and I'm one of those guys that sometimes thinks everything happens for a happens for a reason, you know, or there's, there's not a lot of coincidences. I just started hyper barracks two or three days before I met Raiden. Then I'm doing it and they're saying it's one of the best things for concussions.

Raiden gets a concussion from one of those fights. Um, or maybe it was one of the ones that wasn't on the fight, but they diagnosed him. I was with the doctors and his mom and his dad. Whenever the doctor says, I think he really has a concussion, did some testing on him, wrote a prescription and said, Hey, I really think he needs to do hyperbarics. That's one of the best things for concussions now. And I was like, I just started. And so literally that day, the doctor hands him a prescription for hyperbarics.

And then I take them in there and get hyperbarics. And this is probably the story I wanted to share with you about hyper barracks the most. There's this kid named Caleb Freeman, and he just made NBC nightly news. Um, I think Fox news and ABC, um, he's making the news everywhere because of his comeback story. The kid probably should have never been able to eat again on his own, especially never be able to walk. His parents were told that he would be left in a vegetative state. And if you have that Caleb Freeman video, he got in a vicious car accident, 16 years old. He had just started driving. He was the number one cross country runner at his school, but also in his district. And then he got in this brutal car accident. Here's the video of him trying to learn to put up

the finger number one again. There's a, he's trying to do a one. That's his dad kind of coaching him. But he was the number one cross country runner. Now he's trying to get him to do a thumbs up.

And this is all from brain damage. Yep. Traumatic brain injury, driving down the road, hit a, what's a hydroplained, gotten a brutal wreck. And they thought he would be left in a vegetative state for the rest of his life. So you can see right here, his muscles are

so atrophied because he had been in like a, I think he was in a coma or he was, um, in intensive care for so long. Um, and so his dad's trying to get him to do a thumbs up, you know, he's trying his hardest to do that. If you can go to the second video, um, and they're telling them you should really try hyper barracks. They try everything you can. And so the whole community has rallied around them in Oklahoma. Um, he's from Newcastle where one of our board members are from and they're trying to help them learn to walk again, assisted.

I don't know what they have on here. Did he break his arm? Yeah, he broke his arm. He fall down and break his arm? Cause in the other picture, it seemed like he didn't have um i actually don't know post accident yeah this is post accident so maybe this was before that other video so which video are you trying to show them um but trying to show you both of these because this is how far gone he was and then after 40 hyperbaric treatments they say get him in there It'll flood his brain with oxygen.

Right. When it has the oxygen, it'll reproduce the blood flow and that'll bring actual healing into his brain. And so that third video is right here. He's literally, he was the number one cross country runner at his school. So now he's trying to learn how to do cross country again. He wasn't ever supposed to walk again on his own he came in there to the hyper barracks assisted like you saw where people are assisting him on both sides he does 40 treatments of hyper barracks and then all of a

sudden he walks up and down the football field 14 times unassisted nothing changed um just 40 hyper barrack treatments so he was like you got to keep doing this yeah yeah that next video is actually him that's a jpeg oh that's us at hyperbarics with radon that's the young man that got the concussion on the right in this video right here i don't know if there's volume but uh this is actually a pretty special video this is after 80 treatments he's literally finishing his cross-country run again and he was never supposed to walk and that's after like three or five miles wow and so and how's his ability to communicate is that coming back as well he's actually texting

me uh this morning he texted me that picture of us and raden wow um and his dad actually forgot he goes he goes where where do we take that picture again? And, uh, or I don't have it saved. And Caleb goes, it's in your phone, dad. Just look. And so he's, he's able to recollect a lot of different stuff. That's amazing. So this is all something that you're experiencing as well for your treatment for the parasites.

Yep. And I, I've, I've literally never gotten better sleep. I feel more positive when i come out of it um and then i feel like i can focus better because one of the things that they saw on my brain scans where i have ptsd and then i have real uh severe add um and they can see that on the how my brain functions i guess there's like eight different types of add brains me in one of those things i think you need to do it i don't even want to know. I think you need to do it. I don't even want to know what's wrong with me.

Man, Dr. Amen's awesome, man. And so then I have that. And then so going into the oxygen, they can see from scan one to scan two how my brain is actually functioning better. And the spots with ADD have kind of cooled off a little bit. The spots with PTSD have literally kind of gone down a little bit. Um, the spots of PTSD have literally kind of gone down a little bit. Um, and so that was Caleb's story. There's also this girl named Eden Carlson and Eden Carlson. There's like a minute clip, um, on the New York post and they did it on YouTube. This girl drowned for two hours. She was facing float down in a pool or face down in a pool.

Two hours. She was facing float down in a pool or face down in a pool. Her mom pulled her out of maybe 15 minutes. She drowned for two hours. She didn't breathe. She didn't have a heartbeat. And then at the hospital, they miraculously got her back. Her story's all over.

If you just Google, she was dead for two hours, two hours. Eden Carlson, E-D-E-N Carlson. She's the first one to uh have brain damage reversal scientifically proven they've done all the mris and cat scans from the hyperbaric from hyperbarics so one of the first things they need to do for victims i mean i think this is worth trying to pull up one of those videos um it's new york post eden okay you can't post the plays that but literally um there's an eden carlson video on youtube and it's wild to see how she's recovered and how they told her she would never be able to eat again never be able to go to school never be able to do that now she's basically a normal girl again look at her there yeah so cute right there a little smile

girl again look at her there yeah so cute right there a little smile that's amazing her mom is like a huge advocate for it now that's incredible and uh now but with you what do they have to do like they have to find out whether the parasites are still in your system identify the parasites because it could be an unknown parasite right well they know it's schisto and if i've had schisto in me for as long as they think they they don't think it started in April. They think maybe that was another, not an onset, but took it to another level when I went there and got sick. And it was brutal. I mean, I was hugging basically the, not the toilet, but the latrine while I was in Uganda in April, in May. I mean, I was just so sick.

This hyperbaric is helping you, but you're still not able to train right now. You don't have a fight scheduled at any time. I don't have a fight scheduled, but I would like to fight first quarter of next year if I can. Is that literally possible? I mean, if you're not... Six months from now,

I have another follow-up appointment here in March, and we're going to have a lot more data to show, like from my blood work to my bacteria in my stomach to those brain scans are going to be the big thing that show how my brain has started to heal, how my body started to feel. Right. And show my health just increasing. And so that's the goal. I'm on this mission to get, get healthy. Um. So I'm 20 treatments in, I need to get, um, 40 done as soon as possible. Um,

and then they think I'll probably do another round of 40. Um, and then, yeah, I, I mean, seeing how, how Caleb's doing,

I mean, Caleb told, Caleb showed me this, this is wild. I come in and I'm, uh, about to get in the chamber with him and he shows me his hand shaking and he's showing me, I don't know what that's called, but it's whenever, um, uh, is that when Parkinson's and different stuff? Like you have those kinds of shakes, um, or Alzheimer's or whatever that is.

Um, so Caleb's got that and he gets in the chamber. 90 minutes later we get out, he shows me his hand and it's completely still and he can put the chamber. 90 minutes later we get out. He shows me his hand and it's completely steel and he can put contacts back in his eyes. Whoa. But before there's no way at all that he can get contacts in his eyes. Afterwards, his body's calmed down enough. His brain has enough oxygen and blood flow in it that he can put his contacts back in. That's insane.

Yeah. So Raiden, um, his parents say that he was always up and down in the middle of the night and that they would have to try to put him back to sleep um and now he just once he's asleep he's asleep until they wake him up um they think it's helping with his autism his diabetes um his ac1 levels or whatever those are called those have started to come down and what the doctors have told us is like there's nothing better the doctors take a oath that say to do no harm like that's first and foremost is to do no harm and like if someone has a concussion or if someone has autism or if someone has um this bacteria or a parasite that might be in the brain why not flood the body on a cellular level? Oh, you're going to

love this part that can increase your, your stem cells by eight times in your body. So it's one of the best treatments for whenever you have the stem cells injected in you. So I had the MSCs, the mesenchymal stem cells from my hip, put in my shoulder. They said one of the best things I could have done for it would have been to get in a hyperbaric chamber because that would um promote the stem cell growth and life of the stem cells because they're cells and you're pushing oxygen into the cells and increasing blood flow into it and you're extending their life and helping them reproduce damn so it's one of the best things out there joe i wouldn't be talking about it like this without Rafael is getting into it. Joe Namath.

Joe Namath has his own clinic now for hyperbarics. Yeah, he's doing that to reverse his brain trauma from football, right? I read about that. Right, and it's the first time there's ever been documented cases of brain trauma reversal, where if you can heal your brain, you can basically heal your life. Where you have a healthy brain, you have a healthy life. Dude, we need a hyperbaric chamber in here. That's what I'm saying.

You buy portable units? Yeah, absolutely. I use something called a Seachrist, which I think you would really like. It's the hard chamber. It's glass. You have one in your house? No, but the Seachrist one, there's Joe Namath doing it. I think Michael Phelps does it, getting in the water.

Look at that. Wow. Literally, it's wild at how much stuff it actually helps. Phelps does it, you know, getting in the water. Look at that. Wow. Literally, it's wild at how much stuff it actually helps. So what's the prognosis, like with you, with the doctors that have looked for parasites or doing all this blood scan? Do they think that they're going to be able to straighten you out? They think so. They think with doing a holistic approach where medication can come in at a a later date i had this doctor that's oh you have ptsd here's these pills oh you have depression here's these pills yeah okay now

now you're starting to have anxiety for the first time in your life you've never had it before here's some more pills um oh you think you have add here's some more pills they put me on three or four different pills at the same time i started feeling like a zombie yeah like a zombie i felt weird i felt like i started having like electricity running through my veins or something like like my muscle started twitching my eyelid was uh constantly spasming so the doctors that have looked at this all the different various ailments that you have like and they don't want you to do pills so what what do they want you to do and what do they think is going to be able to happen they think you'll be able to fight again are they um so dr amon he's a guy that says man our brains are the literally you can live

they can do lung transplants right and heart transplants kidney transplants like you can't do a brain transplant right um and so he's saying that anyone that's in a brain damaging occupation and he said, whether that's fighting football or even being a firefighter, because that is a brain damaging occupation. You're breathing in burning couches, which are putting off all these harmful chemicals. Um, and so he said, you want to protect it and promote your brain health as much as you possibly can. Right. Um, so he's a brilliant guy and, um, he's going to be on weekly calls with me, guiding me, uh, keeping me accountable on how am I protecting my sleep? How am I, what am I

getting to eat? Uh, you know, also supplementation. What's that one that you were on here with David Sinclair talking about? NMN. It's like that. Resveratrol? Yes, that one. Yeah, it's not a drug. It's an antioxidant. Yeah.

Okay. Well, that plus some of the other things that you guys were talking about, like they're all in his supplements where he tells you, go get these supplements from here and here and make sure that you're optimizing your brain health. so it seems like there's a bunch of different things going on yeah with the ptsd is ptsd has to do with things that you've seen in your childhood but then you've got the drug the the mefloquine toxicity of the brain or and cipro toxicity have you heard of cipro what it does to you no what is cipro cipro is probably the number one antibiotic for um intestinal bacterias okay so if you get intestinal bacteria they give you

this um and what happens with that it kicks the bug out whatever it is yeah it's like the number one thing for humanitarians to take with you overseas but but a huge uh huge but huge side effect now is cartilage ligaments and muscle tears oh i have heard of that i have heard of people taking extreme uh antibiotics for staff infections yep so cipro is for staff and then afterwards so you're taking it because you got it wrestling you take cipro you clear up and you go back into wrestling now suddenly you tear your achilles tendon yeah and how long does it last how long does it weaken your ligaments and everything it's at least for six months they say but it could be for a year or longer and so uh i took cipro while i was in congo for for my gut health and for in uganda while i tore my left labrum. I came back. I got another round of sickness. I took Cipro.

I come back, I tear my right labrum. Come back, I tear my meniscus. And so they're like, you probably definitely have probably Cipro and mefloquine toxicity. Did you get operations on your labrum or your meniscus? Yeah. So you got your labrum surgically repaired, both of them? No, just the left one, but I need the right one, I think. Fuck. Yeah. And then I got my meniscus? Yeah. So you got your labrum surgically repaired, both of them. No, just the left one, but I need the right one, I think. Fuck. Yeah.

And then I got my meniscus trimmed up. Jesus. Man, it's been wild. Dude, you've been through the ringer. Yeah, it's been wild. But it's all been worth it. Like, this stuff that happened with Dustin Poirier and Khabib and then Dana matching it. I mean, that blew us away.

Well, explain what you mean, because people don't understand what you're saying. Yeah. With Dustin donating money for Fight for the Forgotten and Dana matching that money, and Khabib as well. Yeah, it was nuts. So for that fight, which was basically the modern-day Rocky story, the undefeated Russian, they're building an arena for him,

arguably never lost a round potentially and um or at least a fight and uh dustin goes there the underdog and he started the good fight foundation his own foundation with his wife jolie and they're awesome i was actually on my first ever bow fishing uh trip and i get a call or a text, um, Instagram message from Jolie saying that Dustin and her want to help us raise funds for this fight. So I get back to him, then they call me and I literally have a bow, uh, fishing like thing in my hand as my first time going, I didn't get anything. Um, but, uh, anyways, they, they say they want to help us raise funds. I'm like, this is awesome. Uh, they put up a fundraiser for $25,000 to help us drill a well

for, um, an orphanage. So this orphanage for the pygmies there, um, it's a school, but they've all lost their parents. A lot of them because of, uh, HIV. Um, and, uh, their water source was taken out by a flood, a torrential flood that happened there. So in the 80s, they had built this kind of sort of well, it's more of a called a spring box. It was like a mountain fed spring. Well, the mud got all in it, it busted up the pipes from the 80s, there was no way to recover that thing. So they needed a new one. And so Dustin decided to set a goal to help us raise funds for 25,000 to be able to put a big water tower with a big solar system that put piped water into the classrooms, into their living quarters, into the kitchen or the cafeteria. And so through the fight, we had it funded. And then after that, the fund just kept

coming in. Dustin and Khabib exchanged shirts. And then Khabib said he was going to auction off his shirt and give a hundred percent of it to Dustin. So that brought in a hundred thousand dollars. Dana said he would match it. Dana matched it. And so we're going to be able to drill seven wells now, not just one with a water tower, but seven wells. We're serving the other six right now. We're getting close to finishing the first one. So has this, the parasites in this disease, is this in any way weakened your desire to go back there?

No, not, not weak in my desire to go back there. Just, just, uh, influenced or encouraged me to, uh,

to be a little smarter when I'm there. What, what could you do differently? Just not go in the water. Mm hmm. I could stay in nicer places. Like the doc team stayed in a hotel last time. You didn't? I actually did. And that was the first time I had ever done that. Normally I sleep in the

twig and leaf huts. I sleep on the dirt. And if I'm rained on, I'm rained on. And I don't use a mosquito net and things like that. Just, I wanted to live like they lived and not have any of the real, um, comforts and luxuries. And then they'll wonder why, why they don't have that or this or the other. But yeah, now I'm going to take my own food.

I'm not going to eat the food there that can be contaminated. Um, uh, I'm going to make sure everything I eat, you know, I have clean hands before i eat it and i normally do that but just double checking everything purell eat the food i bring sleep at a hotel um and just go on day trips there

um and that'll probably be smarter anyways because if we bring someone with us um normally it's just me going uh but last time we brought chris cyborg um and she she helped with the kids she helped drill two wells there so that was bring someone with us. Um, normally it's just me going. Uh, but last time we brought Chris Cyborg, um, and she, she helped with the kids. She helped drill two wells there. So that was awesome. We're up to 16 wells now, um, in Uganda. Wow. Um, 61 total. Uh, and we're about to get 30 acres of land with the money that came in from Dustin and Khabib. Was she concerned at all about catching anything while she was there? Yeah, she got a little sick, but I think it was just from this chicken that we had. It was like chicken soup. I don't think they maybe cooked the chicken long enough.

And so she got a little sick from that. But no, I think going back is going to be okay. And then doing strategic smaller trips. is going to be okay. Um, and then doing strategic smaller trips. What really messed up Chris was, uh, so in Uganda, the pygmies lived in the Similiki national forest, which was bordering Congo. Well, they were kicked out of the Kong or the, the rainforest by the Ugandan wildlife authority to protect the forest. Now they're the protectors of the forest. Why do you kick them out of the forest? They're not poachers. They only take what they need.

Um, and they're, they're hunter gatherers, but they, yeah, anyways, so they, they got rid of them in the forest, put them behind a slum in this little town. And so they put them on one acre of land, over 300 people, over 300 people living on one acre of land. That's actually their land that they can call theirs. So we're walking around and they did that six years before we get there. And, um, the chief told us that there's now 35 families, only 151 people. And that, um, they're scared that if it goes another six years, that they're all going to be gone, that their people group won't exist anymore.

And so that was Chief or King Zito that told us that. And so we're walking around and Chris, Chris kind of gets tripped up a little bit on this mound. She looks down and she looks down and sees all these mounds around her. And she said, what are these mounds? And the chief said, that's so-and- and so and this is so and so and like says a name and says a name it's like we live on our on top of our graveyard we don't have anywhere to bury our dead jesus christ and so over 300 people on one acre of land now there's only 151 people the rest of them are buried in the ground right there because the slums throw out their sewage and it goes right through their land oh my god so we've

got them back five acres of land right now but they're practicing how to farm on that and then we're about to get 30 more acres of land and then they'll be able to live on the five acres and have these little plots of land for households for a thousand two thousand dollars each we can build them a home and then they can start farming that 30 acres and we'll want to expand that to 50 or a hundred to where they can have sustenance farming, uh,

to feed themselves. And then they'll be able to feed the community and sell that. And then, um, be able to send their kids to school with school uniforms and buying school fees or paying school fees and stuff like that wow yeah

this makes you realize how easy we have it this what makes you realize how easy we have it oh man absolutely and so that's why whenever you ask me like does this make you not want to go back i'm like man look at the challenges that they have each and every day have you caught everything that you can catch over there dengue fever malaria yeah what it was how do you say this new thing uh schistosomiasis schisto and this is a parasitic disease as well it's like a i think it's in the fluke family or it's um it's a uh it's a worm yeah yeah uh and then hopefully i don't have anything else besides that but this toxicity stuff cipro or methloquin that could be messed with you changed your diet as well?

Yeah. Yeah. My wife meal preps for me. I eat mostly, I eat meat, but I eat mostly vegetables, like more of that. Like the small portion is meat. It'll be chicken or fish or something lean. A lot of nuts and a lot of thick. Leafy green vegetables.

Leafy green vegetables. And have you found that that's helped you? That's helped me a lot. That's helped me a lot. Are you juicing at all? Yep. I'm doing that. Juicing with the Vitamix.

Okay. So you're getting all the fiber in there as well. Yeah. All the fiber. Wow. So that's been really good. And then I've been keeping myself busy. If I can't go there, we're really starting to expand our mission and vision here stateside to bully prevention because Joe, it's nuts right now.

The second leading cause of death. So Butch is Radin's grandfather and he is an old bull rider. And Radin lives with Butch and Claudia, his grandparents right now. And they found him within, in his forearm. He wrote, I want to kill myself and Sharpie. And he's 12. He's 12. Butch said the first time Radin wanted to kill himself that he knew of when I was, whenever Radin was nine years old.

So he's nine years old and already suicidal. And Butch said, um, that, that just makes his heart want to fall out of his chest you know i'm his grandfather how does my 12 year old grandson not have enough to live for and um the leading second leading cause of death among kids from 10 to 14 is suicide if you're between the ages of 10 to 14 that's the second reason And bullying is the cause of most of that. Most of it's from bullying because bullying is linked to the, the increase in depression, addiction, isolation.

Do they think that the people who do it, is it because they were bullied at one point in time or abused physically? So they do think that in an easy way to remember that is hurt people, hurt people, right? Hurt people, hurt people, whether that's an addict or a bully.

But, uh, here's a statistic from the CDC. It's funny. The CDC found out that I had dengue fever. And then also the CDC did the study on bullying. And the number three at risk of suicide is the bully, the person that acts out by being a bully. Number two, surprisingly, is the victim. They're the second highest risk. So then you think, who's number one? Well, number one is actually the one that does both. They are bullied, and then they act out by being a bully. And so they're getting it on both ends.

No positive feelings at all. It's just all a storm of negativity and awfulness. It's this huge storm inside of them. Now, what can you do for bully awareness, right? Like how can you prevent it or how can we mitigate it? Yeah. I think it's by promoting a culture of cultivating a culture of kindness. And I know that can sound a little wimpy.

No, I don't think so at all. Yeah. But if you look at Raphael Lovato Jr., he was bullied because he didn't look like everybody else. So was George St. Pierre. George St. Pierre. So many guys. A lot of fighters are bullied. Most fighters I find were bullied not being the bully.

Right. And so I think to cultivate a culture of kindness, there's actually this school in Oklahoma. It's pretty awesome. They're called Edmond Santa Fe. They selected us between 44 applicants. So we were up against like Boys and Girls Club and Make-A-Wish, these phenomenal organizations, Special Olympics and some really, really great charities and nonprofits out there. Last year, the school selected a foster home and they raised in a week this high school rates 234 000

a high school in their philanthropy week because they wanted to help these kids get a new um like main center uh among the foster homes so this year they selected us because they want to get our bully prevention program into public and private schools now what is the prevention program like what yeah so it's mostly character development with bully prevention program into public and private schools. Now, what is the prevention program? Like what? Yeah. So it's mostly character development with bully prevention inside of it. So it's a 12 week program and it's 12 weekly lessons. So we have it online. It's digital.

It's on our website, fightfortheforgotten.org. And if you click heroes in waiting, you'll find it. That's our curriculum. What's called is heroes in waiting. And what that is, is there's a digital curriculum where I teach the teacher or instruct the instructor how to instruct the lesson that week. But then there's a video for the parents and for the students. That's the weekly hero challenge.

And so they get a weekly lesson or Matt chat discussion, and then they get a weekly challenge, which the challenge will be something like recognized when you're being a bystander. Or my favorite is probably go out. Your mission this week is your hero challenge is to go out and complete a secret random act of kindness. So the rules are you have to be safe. You have to be smart, but you have to be completely anonymous and you have to go out and make someone feel great. And so journal or report back to us, you know, what did you do? How'd that make them feel? How'd that make you feel? How can you build onto this for next week? Um, and you go out and you complete these missions because I

think first you have to educate the kids that they are part of the solution and part of the problem. They just have to pick where they where they're going to be because um in bullying if you stand by and you watch if you laugh giggle like in that video there's 12 12 kids in the bathroom four or five are filming it you filming it is encouraging it you standing by and not doing anything you're actually not an innocent bystander you're a silent supporter because you're standing there and you're not doing anything, you're actually not an innocent bystander. You're a silent supporter because you're standing there and you're not doing anything.

They're actually trying to pass laws about kids in schools filming other kids getting beat up and making them somehow a part of it, an accomplice in some way, shape, or form. Because you are.

You're at least an encourager. Yeah. And then if you stand by and watch, you are an accomplice you're not doing anything it you didn't choose it it chose you what happened to those kids in the video that were doing those things to raid they're beating so they're minors so i can't really talk about what's happened but um the school has taken appropriate or at least in their eyes appropriate and swift action um the parents are thankful to the school in the school district for them taking this um

serious uh i know that the family has felt this has been going on since he was nine at least um and now he's 12 so three years and they say the only reason now something's being done is because it was filmed because it's on video and it went viral um but there's been some fun stuff if we can pull up some of those raiding pictures there's another one recently with dylan danis dylan danis got jujitsu lessons he paid for jujitsu lessons for this young boy who was also beat up in the bathroom and there's a film of that as well yeah you know what i'm talking about yeah and dylan uh posted this video too and it got over 10 million views um which was awesome and rafael now is actually going to scholarship Raiden and his brother Brock with jujitsu lessons. Oh, that's amazing. So they're going to start doing martial arts training

after Raiden's done with his hyper barracks and his concussion is settled down. He's going to come into the mats and be part of the kids program, the little warriors for, uh, for Raphael school, which are the best youth program in the state. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. Is there a way to pull up some of those pictures of Radon? And this is kind of cool. I'm going to give you this because Rafael really likes this, and it's some 10th Planet guys. There's Radon after actually a press conference.

All the news wanted to, like, post pictures pictures of them or they wanted to get exclusives. And so his parents are being chased all around town. People are literally posting their home address online, doxing them, but doxing the bullies mainly saying, here's the 12-year-old girl's address and go find her. You can go through a couple more of those pictures. There's some pretty cool ones where um he's eating chick-fil-a yeah he likes chick-fil-a a lot his dad says he's a chicken eating fool um but there's at a football game the edmund santa fe they've uh surrounded him with a lot of love that's awesome and then it's been cool like um emily my wife has said

oh here here's if we can have volume on this, this is pretty cool. We're making you a video. I am introducing Raiden to what? Hummus. He asked me what hummus is, so we got him some carrots and hummus. The chips are for me that you packed us. And all right, my man, try carrots and hummus. That's really good.

Really good? Yeah. So what's the book? Yeah. So this right here is the Jiu-Jitsu Planner. And what it does is you have actually a training autopsy. And you take notes, what you lessons or what you're learning, the techniques you're learning.

Um, and this is out of 10th planet or at least the guys that, that created this, uh, Ben is a 10th planet, Austin guy, guy named Zach Moore. That's there too.

Um, so it's available online. So anyone's one of these things, it's available online, Instagram, uh, it's jujitsu planner. Where's the website?

I think it's jujitsu planner.com the website i think it's jujitsuplanner.com or jujitsuplanner.org and so and they give 10 to fight for the forgotten which is pretty cool so look at that yeah 10 of the proceeds go to us but try to optimize your game it's uh got a training schedule shows you when you're training so you get to mark down so you're essentially you're held accountable for your lessons yeah what is this is an injury report pay attention to your body interesting you have supplements you can put down there like showing you like what's hurt what's going on and then you have a competition tracker so you can uh record your opponents how it went um and you can also at a tournament like start scouting out your

competition and then they're going to have it to where they they uh make new additions and things like that and so as it grows and as it scales um every planner they have for now on 10 is going to go to fight for the forgotten this is very interesting man training autopsy yeah i like it yeah i thought you'd dig it session notes what was drilled strengths weaknesses role notes and then for next class i like this this is listen man writing things down you know anything you can do where you're focusing on something and trying to improve you can write it down it's better was this inspired by the the kind of book that you have would you exactly that book was called again? This one's called Clear.

It's just a habit tracker. And then you have like a journal in it too. And I really like that. And I like how I also have another one called the Full Focus Planner. And that way you can plan out your day, your week, and you break it down. And I can track my food, my training, all my important meetings. And for me, writing it down physically is better than having it digitally yeah um i just remember it better me too um if i if i haven't written it

down i'll probably forget it i keep notes like like comedy notes i keep them on my phone but then when i go to do a show i always write it out always that's really smart they say that writing things there's something about physically putting a pen to paper that like really commits it to memory than anything else yeah so that's why i have those two i actually have three i have another one called the five minute planner i take three journals around with me really yes i do the habit tracker the full focus planner for my daily and weekly schedule um the habit tracker that i can also just take, take other notes. And then the, uh, five minute planner or five minute journal, you start off with, um, what three things, what would make today great three things. Um, and then three things actually start with three

things you're grateful for. So you write that down, then three things that would make today amazing than a daily affirmation. And then at the end of the day, what three great things did happen today? And then the very last one is, how could you make today better? And so kind of this reflection of, I could have done this better today. So that way you're kind of keeping yourself accountable on that end.

I also have something else for you, my man. I came come bearing gifts. Look at this thing. What the fuck is that, dude? This is called a bushwhacker, I think. Something they use in the Congo? No. No?

We'll get there. What in the fuck, bro? So that is like a machete. Be careful because that thing is really sharp. The weight behind it. I don't want you to cut yourself. Okay. Yeah yeah it's like a giant wood handle like you could double fist this sucker yeah uh mike jones knife and tool

you actually have one of his knives yeah i do um and he made this because he is now giving five percent of all of his knife sales to fight for the forgotten and he was turned on to us through the show this one's another one that he made my friend mike hawkridge gave me one of these yeah that's uh that's what he said oh wow it's got a built-in little sharpener yep actually that's that's a knife or a fire starter it is yeah that's a fire Oh, it's a bungee. Okay, now the knife itself is super sharp. It's Damascus steel.

Oh, it's pretty. And then that's his bowhunter style knife. The wood is koa wood from Hawaii. Hawaii, yeah. So he thought you'd like that. And then he always has his little signature smile into the blade. Yeah, instagram yeah he's a great guy yeah the other knife that mike uh had made for me is a bow hunter as well this is beautiful man thank you thanks mike too that's pretty man and there's one more there from mike jones himself so he he did a thing called knife for the forgotten and uh he sold a hundred percent of his

knives for fight for the forgotten and so that one's a chef's knife that he thought you'd really like oh that's pretty the wood and handle is actually blackwood from africa so it's probably from tanzania um but it's a chef's knife he's got that smiley face in there but it it took him like 15 yeah i knew how much you appreciate like craftsman work so that took him 15 to 18 hours um to make that that's pretty it's a small handle too it's interesting wow that's beautiful thanks man yeah man i thought you'd like it i'm i don't i'm not worthy well and then that was just to set up this one. What?

This knife is what it was actually all about. But Mike said, oh, let me throw in a knife or two. Because he literally gives 5% of all his knives. Is this one of the ones that was made by the Pygmies? That was made by King Zito himself. Whoa. It was some scrap metal. It's not the sharpest knife.

And he said it wasn't the best for me to give to you. But I thought it was the most unique. That's his actual kind of signature design that he puts in there. It's so light. Yeah. That's crazy. What is this wood? So it's a wood that's out of the Similiki National Forest.

And they've been collecting it for generations. I wish people could feel this, how light this is. It's light, right? It feels like styrofoam. It's crazy. So they have these different kind of like almost cork-feeling knives or handles. Please tell him I said thank you. I will.

That's from Zito. Very nice of him. N-Z-I-T-O. Wow, that's so pretty. That's cool, man. I was able to get you one of those. And then Dustin Poirier one as well. That's so pretty. So yeah, that's cool, man. I was able to get you one of those and then, um, and then,

uh, Dustin Poirier one as well. That's dope. Beautiful. Yeah. So what's the plans now? Like you're, you're going,

you're trying to get your health back together. And when are you planning on going back to the Congo again? So I'm definitely going to Uganda, um, sometime soon. Uh, hopefully, well, if I could fight first quarter of next year, how is that possible? I don't know, but I'm being optimistic. Don't rush it. I'm not going to rush it, but it's been over two years. Shoulder surgery. Yeah. That takes six months anyway. Yeah. So how are you going to do that? That's first quarter.

Yeah. Forever. Cause we're, we're almost in November. So November in two days. It's true. So December, January. Okay. now we're into the first quarter of the next year they said structurally i could fight with this structurally i hate that word please no man come on man i i need to i need to go slow yes please don't fight don't fight for a while please fight for a while yeah you gotta get everything you gotta get in order man And that's what I've been telling people. And people are, there's people that are really excited for me to fight, but then also I know I can hold it.

Who are these people? Um, just fans. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, hopefully they'll hear this and they love you. And they'll be like,

Justin, please don't, not right now. Yeah. You get yourself a hundred percent back. Right. So I guess what we're doing is actually, there's two really exciting

things for now you said so what now um we're doing two things back to back or actually simultaneously um for a fight for the forgotten we have an end of the year fundraising competition and so last year we did it and we had we invited about 100 martial arts academies to raise funds on our behalf. And in eight weeks, we raised $135,000. That's amazing. It was incredible. That's amazing. So now we're calling this our second annual fundraising competition.

Last year, the academy that won the top fundraiser, his name was James Wright out of Martial Arts and More in North Carolina. Their academy had just been hit by a hurricane. And so since it was hit by a hurricane, the mats were ruined and the, the equipment, all their pads and mitts and bags were all molded. And so they had to get rid of everything. Well, they wrote, they won the fundraising term tournament and they got a better than new gym it was over a twenty thousand dollar gym renovation that century martial arts did and also zebra athletics that's cool so um literally they got a better than new academy that's very cool that's very cool and it was because they were fundraising on our behalf this year we've got a top 10 instead of the top one uh fundraiser gets a gets a prize

now the top 10 get a martial arts draft pick. So martial arts superstars, world champions, whether it's former, current UFC or Bellator champions, Hall of Famers, martial arts coaches of the year that will fly out to their academy to do a seminar or a training day or a fan experience for fundraising on our behalf. That's fucking awesome, man.

Well, that's so cool of Zebra and so cool of Century. Century's been around forever, man. Yeah. They made the kicking jeans. Yes, I used to have those. They lace up in the front like a pair of sneakers. They still make those. Do they?

Yeah. You want me to bring you a pair? I just need no size. I used to wear the Taekwondo version of that for tournaments. I used to wear the ones that laced up in the front. I like those. Yeah. Because they made like kickboxing pants.

Remember when they used to have kickboxing used to be above the waist like PK karate style? Yeah. They used to make those pads for karate tournaments. And I still think they have the best bag. They have the sweet spot in the Muay Thai bag. I bought like four different kinds of Muay Thai bags for this gym here. think they have the best bag they have the sweet spot in the muay thai bag like i have i bought like four different kinds of muay thai bags for this gym here and the century one that i have at home is the best one yeah i have 150 pound the big muay thai bag it's the best one it's the sweet

spot between not too soft not too hard just just perfect well they're the only ones that actually make those here that is bill superfoot I was just with him this summer. Kicks and jeans. How is he doing? He's doing good. He's aged from that. I believe he has. Yeah.

He was the first commentator for the UFC. Really? Yeah. Is that Chuck down at the bottom? There's Chuck. There's Chuck, yeah. I got to meet him this summer too. I got to meet him a couple times.

I still love meeting him. I still get a fucking boyish thrill. Just the fact that he knows who I am. I'm like, I can't believe it. Won't bind your legs. Like that. Wow. But Chuck and Bill Superfoot Wallace,

I mean, those guys were the real innovators back in the early days of kickboxing in America. Those guys were, if you go back and watch some of thoseboxing in America. You know, those guys were, if you go back and watch some of those tournaments that those guys fought in, Chuck Norris was a legitimate world champion. Yeah, and I never really knew Dallas-Fort Worth had such a big martial arts background.

Oh, yeah, huge martial arts background. With Chuck there. Do you know Bill Wallace's story? He had a fucked up knee, and so he couldn't kick with both legs. He could only kick with one leg. I didn't know that. Yeah, so he developed this insane left leg kick.

Super foot. Yeah, and a hook kick. A hook kick is a kick that's very rare that someone develops that to the point where you can knock people out with it. It's just a weird kick, and you don't really see it very often in MMA. I think Sean Jordan dropped. Oh, yeah. weird kick and you don't really see it very often in mma it's just i mean i think sean jordan dropped yeah uh derrick lewis that's right the hook kick and it's crazy because sean is a tank of a man i mean he's he's a small heavy or short short five ten but he's at least 260 he's a big fella he's in the range of 260 so to see him lift those tree trunk leg i know for

for lsu yes and the guy could do fucking back flips he's a crazy athlete but to see him throw a hook kick you're like what yeah absolutely you know but it's such a rare technique connor throws it he throws it occasionally he does but uh bill superfoot wallace he figured out how to fuck people up with just one leg and it was really hard to deal with like that style of attack that he developed in his early days i got to see him fight live once way way way back in the day wow yeah there it is here it is yes that's crazy yeah crazy that he hit he dropped him with a hook kick to the heel. I think the picture of it. Where is Sean these days? He was fighting for the PFL. Was he?

But I think, I don't know if he's in this tournament or not. I know he was in the last tournament. Man. So him and Josh, big Josh fought. I think Josh won. Yeah. Good decision. And so, yeah, I guess for now though, we're doing that tournament, that competition. And last year, the last four or five kind of top gyms or schools competed for it all the way until midnight of New Year's Eve, central time, because that's when the cutoff was.

And the winner was going to get their gym renovated. So there was four or five at the end, and we raised like 30 grand on the last day because everyone wanted the gym renovation. So this year, we've got a top three prize pack that's like that. The first one gets like a $25,000 gym renovation from Zebra and Century. They get featured in Black Belt Magazine. They get featured in MA Success. I think Bruce Buffer is going to announce them as the winner. They're going to get a trophy and a medal.

They're going to get a championship belt for the champion. And then they get the first round draft pick of guys like Rashad Evans, Justin Gaethje, Chris Cyborg, Rose Namajunas, Pat Berry, Rafael Lovato Jr., Shanji, Laborio. These people are going to fly out. Frank Mir are going to fly out and do a seminar at their, their Academy or pick whoever it is. Yeah. So whoever is one through 10,

you want to get number one or number two, cause you get the top draft pick. What's the top draft pick. Who's the top one? Well, whoever raises the most is the first, they get the, they claim the first draft pick and then they get to choose between that list

of like 20 martial arts superstars. What is Dustin Poirier coming out to your, to your gym or is it Chris Cyborg? they claim the first draft pick and then they get to choose between that list of like 20 martial arts superstars. What is Dustin Poirier coming out to your, to your gym or is it Chris Cyborg or is it Justin Gaethje or is it Rashad Evans? So when you secure the first place, you get the first round draft pick and then all the way down to 10. Um, and then on the individual side,

they're going to get, there we go. Yeah. It's on our website. So it's fight for the forgotten.org slash heroes. Um, and we're even missing a few of the people that are man richie boogie there you go richie boogie man yeah i thought he would like that jujitsu planner um but he's gonna be in it with alimale um we're missing page van zant and austin vanderford that's awesome um oh even uh, even John Hackleman.

Oh, really? He's throwing his name in it. He'll go out and train someone and put on a bully-proof seminar. Yeah. He's got a great Instagram page. Yeah, he does. He's got a great podcast, too. He's such a fucking character, man. I just drove down the, what do you call it, the PHC?

Pacific Coast Highway? Oh, yeah, PCH. Yeah. And stopped into the pit and saw him in Slow or San Luis Obispo. San Luis Obispo. Yeah. That's awesome. That's a cool little town, isn't it?

Yeah, it is. Yeah. Very nice town. He loves it out there. Yeah. His wife's sweet, and they have a great academy there. Yeah. He's old school, hardcore training methods.

He does, like, wheelbarrows filled with shit. You've got to carry up a hill and stuff all that kind of stuff yeah i walked into the boot camp area and it's where his wife runs the women's boot camp he's like no no you don't want to be in here this is like uh this is the torture room or something like that this is a dungeon you don't know how about the pit itself it's an outdoor gym and outdoor octagon they have set up. Man. Pretty badass. It was wild. He has a podcast studio. Does he?

Yeah. He's doing a podcast? Jesus Christ, everybody's doing a podcast. Who's not? I'm not yet. You're not? No. Weird.

I should. That's what my buddy Jacob Wells wants to do, is start a podcast maybe in the city. Fight for the Forgotten Podcast. It's a great idea. I mean, it's another way to raise awareness. That would be cool. Yeah. So Jacob is actually buddies with podcast it's a great idea i mean it's another way to raise awareness that would be cool yeah jacob is actually buddies with he's a he's a hilarious guy um he's friends with theo von he wrote a few jokes for theo and theo said that they were too dark uh he couldn't he couldn't share them um but him and theo uh when theo came to okc jacob and us hung out and uh anyways jacob has started this GoFundMe for Raiden because

he knows their family and Raiden has like $8,000 in medical bills, um, is going to need counseling. So three to $5,000 of like a counseling budget. Um, and then, uh, they want to do something practical for the family. And I've gone to 20 hyperbaric treatments with Raiden. Now we've had family dinners at my house, 20 hyperbaric treatments with Raiden now. We've had family dinners at my house, at their house, at our offices. His grandma can cook. She can cook some meatloaf. And she had me over there. And they live in this mobile home park outside Oklahoma

City. And the boys, so the dad, he had worked in automotive industry and then at a dealership, and then he came and kind of took over the family restaurant. Well, it started to struggle, the family restaurant did. And anyways, his dad now has two jobs, is trying to make ends meet. His mom can't really work because she has to take him to appointments, whether it's counseling or for his hearing aid or for his diabetes or for his autism. She's taken him to all these different appointments. And so they had to take in Scotland's mom because of health issues. So the parents now have one of the grandparents living there. So they're in the bedrooms. They had to send Raiden and his brother Brock to live with the other

grandparents down the street. So still the same mobile home park, but they put them in like the three bedroom kind of nicer one, uh, with more space. And so Jacob's like, what would really help this family and bless them in a way? Cause his dad doesn't want to hand out. He's not asking for extra stuff or he didn't come up with this idea, but Jacob's like, what if we could reunite the family? So get his hyperbaric treatment covered, get his counseling covered. But then what if we could even raise funds for a, either a single wide three bedroom, two bath, or maybe it's a double wide that just reunites the family

that gets Brock and Raiden back in the home, uh, with his parents. And so Jacob brought that idea up. We shared it with his parents um they started balling just saying that that's their greatest need is just to have the boys back in the home and so there's this car dealership in oklahoma city called hudiburg and they're really community-minded they give to fight for the forgotten and they give to a lot of organizations and so they have a campaign called hudiburg helps and uh so hudib helps as sponsoring this. I think they've already raised like $8,000, $9,000. It's called stand with Radon on GoFundMe. So it's GoFundMe hashtag stand with Radon. And I think it's already at eight, nine, $10,000 of like the $50,000 goal. Um, so that's something

that we're focused on now. My wife was like, Hey, why are you fight for the forgotten? Couldn't send funds to one kid individually that's showing biased. And we have to have like a, and, uh, a pool of people to choose from applicants. Then it has to be unbiased for us to fund something so I can rally around them. I can be his friend, but we can't pay for his medical treatment or pay for his counseling, but GoFundMe can. And so Jacob started this, it was his idea. And he just wanted to rally around Raiden. And my wife asked me, why are you doing all this? Even though the funds can't be raised for Fight for the Forgotten. It's like, well, you know, I don't know. I just, I really connect with Raiden. And she goes,

I know why you're doing this. You're just trying to be the guy that you needed whenever you were his age. And that really, I don't know, that one kind of hit home. Because when I was 12 or 13 years old and was suicidal, being bullied, it would have been cool to have someone rally around me. A few years later, I had coaches that rallied around me that made me believe in myself um but it's been awesome man seeing rafael come alongside raden and his family scholarship them uh the steelers pittsburgh steelers the uh la chargers um uh that baker mayfield all these people posting videos and support for him m Mick Foley is their favorite wrestler. WWE, Mankind, or anyways, he made a video for Raiden.

And his mom and dad literally cried because that was their favorite wrestler. And he knows exactly what they're going through because his son, Mick Foley's son, has autism. And so to see that support go out to Raiden, like that just blew him away. That's very cool of you, man. I don't know what is in store for you in the next life, but I sense some sort of sainthood. I don't know about that. Your whole life is dedicated to helping people. It's very humbling, man.

It really is. I mean, everything you do is helping other people your your goals and your desires even for you fighting with people maybe they don't know some people don't know you got back into fighting so that you could raise awareness for fight for the forgotten and you know became a world-class heavyweight you really became a better version of yourself than you were when you're fighting in the u. Yeah. You know? And then I think also through Rafael Lovato, like training with him, your jujitsu skills came up big time. Yeah, big time. Yeah.

And I think this is what I've learned through Rafael and through a guy out here named Ed Milet that's become a friend. These guys say it's usually, it's either Rafael or Ed that says it's usually the person with the most reasons that usually wins. Or the person with the most reasons usually wins. or the person with the most reasons usually wins. Unless you're fighting Anderson Silva in his prime. That's true. That's true.

He must have had a lot of reasons. He's so good. There's certain people, man. It doesn't matter what you believe. They're going to fuck you up. Yeah. You know. But knowing your why.

And for me, it was for you. It's like how to be. I love that quote you have in our programs called Heroes in Waiting, right? Well, you say, be the hero of your own movie. Well, be your own hero of your own movie. And after you become that hero, be a hero for someone else and let them know they can be the hero of their own movie. And so our premise is, what is a hero? It's not someone with supernatural strength or superhuman power

it's actually someone with a humble heart that just sees a need and takes action they don't need instagram likes they don't need uh the exposure um what they do it because it's the right thing to do yeah um and so how can we just see a need and take action make a difference be the change we want to see in the world where do do you see yourself in like 10, 15 years? Do you, do you see yourself pursuing this exact same thing, you know, past the point where you're fighting anymore? Do you see yourself just continuing with fight for the forgotten? You think that that's probably going to be your future? Fight for the forgotten is, um, well, so we became an official 501c3, uh, charity, um, last August. So it was more of a passion project before that. And now we're official, uh, 501c3 of as of August. We've had since that time, more than 3000 donors from all 50 states. It's very cool what Squarespace is doing. Excuse me, Square and the Cash App is doing as well. Yeah, without a doubt.

That's amazing. 58 different countries have donated. Wow. 58 different countries, Joe. I mean, that's a quarter of the world. That's all you're raising awareness. I mean, that's really coming from there. Well, that and you sharing the platform with me so that I can get the word out there.

I mean, I want Fight for the Free Otten to outlive me. This isn't just a passion project of of justin wren i want it to be uh how many people are involved in it now man on the organizational side we have uh five voting board members we have seven and we might take that up to nine um and we should tell people that we're going to be doing a charity event uh in los angeles we're just trying to get a venue we're trying to move it now to the first quarter of 2020 but we're going to do a charity show uh at one of the big theaters in la yeah that's going to be incredible yeah that's going to be so fun let me get together all my funny friends yeah have some fun you know i know a lot of people want to go i

just got to record with mike tyson uh yesterday and he told me to tell you what's up. I'm going to do a show soon. Do it. I'm so scared. I couldn't do it during this month because this is Sober October. Oh yeah, don't do it during this month. Isn't it funny that Mike Tyson has become this crazy weed activist?

Yeah, yeah. And his resort that he was telling me about, he said it's like Disneyland with weed. Well, they're doing concerts there and shit. You can stay there. Yeah, well, so what he's gonna do and uh hopefully this isn't um i'm not committing them to it but they kind of said we're gonna do this for this fundraising tournament that we're doing right now the competition um they're gonna give away and we'll have to update people later but for 15 20 25 000 someone donating they're going to get an exclusive VIP experience at Tyson Ranch, the resort.

You get to hang with Mike Tyson? You get to hang with Mike Tyson, and you get to take a picture and tour the studio and hotbox. And I think you get to sit in on an episode or something. Yeah. Wow. Something like that. And it's going to be a higher ticket item, so that way it's not just some crazy person. That's very cool. But they're like that. And it's going to be a higher ticket item, so that way they're like, it's not just some crazy person. That's very cool.

But they're doing that. I was thinking there might be a way. We can talk about this more afterwards, but we maybe give a fan experience to someone at the comedy show. We could give like a VIP front row tickets or something like that. If someone donates to help kickstart our fundraising competition. Because what we're doing right now, last year raised 135, 137,000 this year, we're shooting for 200 to 250,000. arts world, the combat sports world where everyone knows about this charity event and you can win once in a lifetime experiences with martial arts superstars or personalities or things like that to where we could build it into a sustainable. This is going to bring in seven figures a year,

a million dollars a year. And then that way we know our budget, how many wells we can drill, how much land we can get, how many farms we can start, how many kids here we can help with the martial arts curriculum. It takes us close to $500 to get into the martial arts academies with the bully prevention curriculum. Now, as this expands, as Fight for the Forgotten expands and you do more and more work in the Congo, do you anticipate moving to other parts of the world? So we're already in Uganda, right? moving to other parts of the world. So we're already in Uganda, right?

We started that last year, but we really kickstarted it April with this big kind of celebration on new land, five acres. Because of Dustin's donation, we're going to take that up to 30 more acres, so 35 acres in Uganda. We want to get that to 100. We want to get it to even more than that.

There's a potential that with fight for the forgotten, we could potentially start up a social enterprise or what are those called? B corpse or something like that, where it's a social entrepreneurship gig where we start up maybe a coffee farm, maybe a honey farm in these mountainous regions. And the pygmies can have a sustainable job. They love coffee and honey.

Those are two things that they love. Coffee and honey. Coffee and honey. It's funny. There's this Bajanji, there's a pygmy man, grandfather, and elder in Mabukulu village. Bajanji.

He's actually in the book, a picture with my wife leaning over and she's squatting down and she's still as tall as he is. And she's in a full squat and she, so he's a really little guy. But this one time I saw him, his grandkids had just raided a honey hive or a beehive. And they just had honey all over their hands their arms their faces how they keep from getting stung no they get stung they get stung like crazy yeah they start a fire at the bottom and then they throw a vine around it and then they just walk up it with your feet and

you're holding on to the vines oh jesus and it's crazy you take a an axe up there and then you just start hacking into the tree with Africanized colonies, which are killer bees, which is nuts. So they're getting stung like crazy. From killer bees? From killer bees. They're gangster. They're crazy.

Oh my God. They're stealing honey from killer bees. Oh my God. And no one else, everyone else is freaked out by it. How many stings do they get? Hundreds. Oh, jeez. Hundreds.

But it's worth it to them. So they start that fire underneath and the smoke goes up so that helps keep them off then if two people climb up it the sole person's job on the back is to have these leaves from a twig and they just are um hitting the bees off of the guy raiding the hive do you remember when everybody was worried that africanized killer bees were going to come over here and kill us all? Yes. That was like a big fear. Like 20 years ago, oh, the killer bees, they've been spotted in New Mexico. Yeah.

Oh. They came up from, but then they breeded right in the Amazon. With our pussy bees. Right? I think they, yeah. We don't have to worry about those. Our bees just sweep them up. But when they went down to the Amazon and came up here, those would be dangerous.

Yeah. So these guys They do this They And they They catch it in a bag Or something Like how do they They put it in a basket A basket

A basket A hand Oh here it is There you go In India Some guys doing it It's pretty much The same exact thing

Yeah Except those aren't Those aren't the killer bees Yeah those are different bees But it's the same sort of strategy Same strategy Have you Oh my god Look at that He could reach in And grab bees but it's the same sort of strategy same strategy have you oh my god look at that he could reach in and grab bees this guy's an asshole what are you doing man have you guys seen that um there's a certain type of honey that has some sort of psychedelic effect

and it's a uh a very popular honey i want to say nepal somewhere is it nepal yeah and these guys they climb up to get this shit it's like on the side of cliffs wow and like see do we have anything else and uh yeah see these guys use these ropes to climb up to get that rope looks sketchy as fuck that looks like some homemade shit right there wow and so they um this honey hunting work is very i mean it's the craziest thing i've seen people do but these guys this uh honey 200 feet in the air man this is a different kind of honey for some reason this honey makes you trip balls of course it's a vice documentary yeah the nepalese honey that makes people hallucinate so they add something into it no no no no no it has to do with whatever these plants these guys are getting the pollen from.

Oh, the bees are, wow. So they're making a psychedelic honey. Just naturally? Yes, naturally. Wow. So you can put it in your tea and meet Jesus. That seems dangerous. I don't know.

Maybe it's like a mild microdosing type deal. That's true. I don't know. Look at those honeycombs, man. Yeah, so like Oh, that's true. I don't know. So look at those. Yeah. So like that, that's what they just grab it and eat it. Honeycombs. Delicious.

Yeah. So these kids, I think there's a video on my YouTube, Jamie, if you can find it, of these kids climbing these trees. I think it's just Justin Wren fight for the forgotten is the YouTube channel. And there's this kid that I put a GoPro on his head because he was just climbing trees like crazy up to the canopy of the rainforest. He's like nine years old. Oh, my God. And he climbs 200 feet in the air. And he looks down at us.

It's a 12-minute video or something, but we could fast forward through it. Does he have any kind of safety harness or anything? No. He's literally just doing it, shimmying up it. He doesn't even have a vine. Oh, my God. He's doing it with his arms and his thighs. He's nine. And he's just scaling doing it shimmying up it he doesn't even have a vine he's doing it with his arms and his thighs he's nine and he's just my daughter's scaling it just scaling and he looks

down on us i can barely see him in the tree still because he's like over 200 feet tall and uh and what's he getting up there well he practiced for um two different things he had his bow and arrow up there so he could shoot uh nest um and shoot birds out of nest in the trees from 200 feet up 200 feet up but he's shooting to other trees oh my god um and then they that's how they collect honey look at him this is a little guy this is him going from a little tree to getting over to a huge tree next to it but that's in babofi and i lived there for three months i think in this village and he's seriously just scaling the tree yeah it's a 12 minute video what it's wild if we can't have sound it's just him breathing how high this little guy is you can see us that's him not even

my hands are sweating and he just keeps going until he gets. And then once he gets to the big part of the tree, I should go back. This is insane. Up, up, back a little bit more. Cause he starts just zooming down. He gets to the top and looks down at us. And whenever you see us, I think this is where it is. Maybe.

Um, when, whenever he looks down look at that how high oh boy and that's not even when he was at the very top and he's just using his hands and feet yeah he literally has no rope no vine don't you feel like you should be under him to catch him yeah but i would do that sometimes no from 200 feet up it would just break your arms yeah that's like yeah squish me there's uh there's one other video oh yeah this right here look at this uh sharpshooters are these little mice they put mice in the middle of the the village and they shoot them with bows and arrows yep um that seems mean it's kind of mean but he got did they eat them yeah yeah they eat them so Yeah. Yeah, they eat them. So that's their target practice. So they shoot these rats. They'll go grab like four or five.

That's a rat, by the way, and a mouse. Yeah. They shoot these rats and then they eat them? Yep. And actually not this one. Have you eaten rats? But I have. What's it like?

Not good. It's kind of stringy. I've had python. I've had cobra. You ate cobra? I've had monkey. I think there's a video monkey on there that's dark is there is there a video of the kid with the uh the machete what's it like eating monkey does that freak you out you eat one of your ancestors this was right before the ebola breakout i didn't know about it and then all of a sudden ebola and they're like it's from eating monkeys oh jesus why didn't y'all tell me you all of a sudden, Ebola. And they're like, it's from eating monkeys. Oh, Jesus.

Why didn't you all tell me you could eat Ebola? Well, we always eat monkeys. None of us have ever had Ebola. What kind of, what method of cooking? Is it like a smoked monkey? Yeah, you just smoke it. Yeah. Wrap it in a banana leaf.

Yeah, it's a very, like, stringy, hard, muscular animal. Yeah. My friend Steve Rinella had some. Yeah. I think in Guyana uh he ate a monkey see this uh look at this kid here he's with a machete the machete's as long as that kid is tall what is he doing chopping down this tree yeah just chopping down the tree for firewood but that kid looks like he's five years old if that he's younger than that i think how old uh

well he might be five you may be right four four or five and they're letting them use a machete to chop down a fucking tree dude they climb those kids climb the trees with that the kid believe you saw climb that tree he was doing that with bows and arrows oh my god with bows and arrows he climbed that they're so hard yeah and look at that kid that's just hanging out by him to us the kid is right next to them. How many of these guys that live in these villages are injured? I mean, they get injured from time to time. Yeah.

But they're super smart with the blades. I mean, they grow up with them. I don't even mean from getting cut. I mean, just injured. Injured from like. I mean, there's no medical. I mean, they roll their ankles through the forest. They, when they're climbing stuff.

Rip knee ligaments. Yeah. What do they wind up doing they just heal heal up like by giving it rest um what's kind of cool about the forest life or the village life is they literally they're up early right when the sun's coming up they're they're up they're down when the sun goes down and so they they they're in tune with nature in that way. The circadian rhythms. The circadian rhythms is what I was looking for. And then midday during the heat of the day, right, 3 to 5 p.m., they're normally just chilling, napping, or in their hut to where they're out of the sun.

And so they're up working before that. They rest. And if they need to go back out before the sun's down, they go back out a second time, hunting, gathering, come back in, prepare it. What's their primary, like, what are they trying to hunt? So forest antelope, forest hog or wild hog out there. Lots of different kinds of birds, parrots, different things like that. And they're using bows and arrows?

Mm-hmm. Homemade bows and arrows, right? Home, different things like that. Uh, and they're using bows and arrows, homemade bows and arrows, right? Homemade. Yeah, definitely. And the dangerous ones, I'm going to have to bring you a bow and arrow.

I haven't done that. Uh, I have one that is, uh, that I really love. I'll see if I can get to get, get you one. Um,

but, uh, they will give you two arrows. One has a metal blade and one's just a sharpened tip. And they ask you, which one would you use on an antelope? And you choose which one you'd choose. And then you ask, which one would you use on a bird? And then you choose, which one would you think?

Between a blade and the sharpened wood, which one would you use on the antelope? You'd use a blade. Okay. And then on a bird, which one would you use? Sharpened stick. Yeah. That's what makes sense to our mind, right? Yeah. It's actually the opposite.

How come? They use the metal on the bird because that's going to kill the bird. Right. They use the wooden tip because they dip that in poison. Oh, Jesus. And so that's what they take the bigger animals out with. I see. So they just have to hit it.

Oh, yeah. They just have to nick it. Anywhere in its body and it gets in there. Now, does that poison infect them no it cooks out it's out of this uh there's these two things it's these berries um and these not roots but it's uh like a root fruit not um like a potato uh it's this poisonous black potato that like they mash up and if you if you mess with that stuff the potato gets smashed or something and that oil or that um whatever cassava not cassava because cassava is the same but it also

is gets strychnine oh yeah i know that they are they bet you have to boil it forever they have to do all this shit to cassava and then the i know there's white inside yes um and this is this it's a black potato i know they use the the strychnine from cassava to poison things as well oh wow and they have like a bucket like in um ranella's show uh steve ranella show the meat eater which is uh on um it is on netflix and no The Meat Eater is his website. Meat Eater is the Netflix show. But he went to Guyana. And he's done a couple trips to different, I think, Bolivia as well. And when he goes to the jungle, they have this incredibly intricate process for cooking and making this cassava edible.

for cooking and making this cassava edible. And these buckets that they have of this sort of processed stuff as they're doing it is fucking hugely toxic. Yeah. And it's just laying around. Yeah. And kids are playing near it. The kids have to be so careful. Yeah.

The parents have to be so careful with the poison. Yeah. Because once they dip those tips of those arrows, they don't come back with them. They dispose of them. Really? Out in the forest. It's just too dangerous. Too dangerous to have around the kids, the toddlers that are walking around.

Oh yeah. Because toddlers are walking around with bows and arrows already. Um, they're, they have a bow and arrow before they're able to walk. Wow. So, um, they're just the sharpened wooden tips without the poison dipped in. Um, and so it's, it's awesome. I mean, their way of life is so incredible. And so that's why we're trying to help the

pigmies of Uganda right now. So our trip, even Brady, who, you know, um, Brady was messed up. So all of us were,

um, there's just a little sick over there. You saying, what do you mean by messed up? Um, culture shock. Oh, and not just culture shock,

but what is it whenever you it's not just ptsd like like just jolted with with um devastation of like in shock in shock yeah um in fact we we could play that one video and i'll it's a documentary trailer that cash app helped fund um and friends of Joe Rogan. And, uh, this trailer video is just from our, our last trip to Uganda. It's got sound, but I'll, I'll speak over it. Um, but it kind of sums it all up. Um, this little boy named Paulo, you'll see in his eyes what I mean. Um, when you see this boy's eyes, um, you'll know just some of the devastation that he's gone through and seen.

You can see like the eyes are the windows to our soul. Um, you can see the heart heartbreak in this kid. Um, but I think it's called, uh, the Batois trailer video or something like that, Jamie.

But it's, um, uh, it's got an opening where it's just like, thanks to cash app, but then it shows how long is there a studio? It's about a minute and a half. Okay.

We'll, we'll play this. Then we got to wrap this thing up. Okay. I got one more thing to give you. So that is in the Similiki national forest. That's King Zito in the red, but they were driven from their ancestral home and they're struggling to

survive. And this is on that one acre of land that they live on. zito and the red but they were driven from their ancestral home and they're struggling to survive and this is on that one acre of land that they live on that's some mushrooms but they live in eight structures on this one acre of land and forced to live in this unknown village and literally don't have any food or clean water that's where they live in those shelters that's what they've been given when they were kicked out of the forest but there's no way that's the sewage running through their village and just being abused yeah beyond imagination um because they think they're a cure for hiv that woman was raped because these men thought they would be cured that's a little paulo there you can see in his eyes men thought they'd be cured by having sex with her?

Yeah, or by collecting their blood. And so Paulo was held down. And that's the new land, five acres of land that we were able to get them. So this is a celebration, just kind of transitioning into dancing with the drums and the leaves. But now they have hope that they're going to survive. And here's at the school where they're getting new water and they're in class for the first time they were told that they couldn't go to school that they wouldn't be that they couldn't learn um and now actually the

top five students at the school over the last six years are all batwa pygmy children that's the new well that they're drinking from one of them so that's just celebration they're learning some mma uh and we're there to help come alongside them and say hey how can we with our vision to defeat hate with love our mission to knock out bullying worldwide how can we do this in a practical sustainable way and so And so, yeah, Joe, like that little boy, Paulo, that you saw has scars on him from people holding him down and slicing him open, collecting his blood because they think he's the cure for HIV or the women there being sexually assaulted. Some terrible stuff. to kind of sum up this documentary when we get there is, um, is have new land for them, them back in school, them farming for themselves, them selling it at the markets. Um, and then, yeah. And then also stateside here. So kind of the two things to wrap up the

two or three ways that people could support. If you're a martial arts academy, jujitsu school, you do MMA, taekwondo, wrestling, boxing, any of that, you can join our end-of-the-year fundraising competition. And the top 10 are going to win incredible prizes, gym renovations. There's also a raffle prize

where every $500 you raise, you get the opportunity to have your gym transformed. And this is all on fight for the forgotten.com. So fight for the forgotten.org. Yep. I'll take you there too. Okay.

So fight for the forgotten.org, go to heroes. Okay. If, if you're an individual and you want to support that way, we just started our fight club. And, uh,

so our fight for the forgotten fight club, first rule is you do speak about fight club. Um, instead of you don't, uh yeah it's our monthly giving club people can give uh five dollars so the price of a latte and that would make us a sustainable non-profit where we know what our budget is every single month how many wells we can drill how much land we can get how many people here stateside and this is again all on fight for the fight for the forgotten.org the fight club is on fightfortheforgotten.org. The Fight Club is on fightfortheforgotten.org.

That's our monthly giving club. And then if you want to support Radon, there's that GoFundMe, and you just look up the hashtag StandWithRadon, and you can give to him personally. Spell Radon? R-A-Y-D-E-N. Okay. So it's StandWithRadon, and you can go check out my Instagram,

the BigPigMe, or Twitter, the BigPigMe, and that will point you into the direction of Stand With Raiden. And you can go check out my Instagram, TheBigPygmy, or Twitter, TheBigPygmy. And that will point you into the direction of Stand With Raiden. And then as we come to a close with Sober October, I got one thing for you. Uh-oh. It's just one thing. What? It's a little big, though. Whoa.

We're going to have to go over your... What is that? This is from another friend jesus christ you got a lot of friends bro that's what happens when you're a nice guy oh whiskey how dare you so i know silver october is coming to your glasses man what is that made out of i don't know you tell me liberal tears oh it's made of the bottom right next to it it's made of the bottom of uh a johnny walker johnny walker blue wow that's so that's the blue which is like 18 or 20 years that's a smart way of um recycling the the bottom of these containers too that's actually here check this out real quick okay oh yeah you can have some of that no no i'm not sober october i can't oh it's fight for the forgotten coasters

very cool and so this right here just b-cycled bottles okay this guy literally recycles these he's a fundraiser full-time for non-profits so he makes his glasses out of the bottles that's very cool out of tito's all that he gives 75% back to Fight for the Forgotten. Dude, your kindness and your generosity has inspired a shitload of people, man. It's a beautiful thing. It really is. I can't thank you enough.

Please, man. I can't thank you enough. I always feel like a piece of shit when you come here. I always compare myself. I'm like, God,'s He's going to get malaria And fucking worms And he's always

Traveling over there Helping people And your focus Is always about Helping people That are in need It's It's very humbling man

It really is It's very admirable Well thank you I appreciate that And you always have a home here man Anytime you want to come by And talk about something Thank you so much Joe

I appreciate you Thank you brother Appreciate it We'll talk to you soon Yeah absolutely Bye everybody I'm excited for the comedy show Hell yeah If you want to come on and talk about something. Thank you so much, Joe. I appreciate you. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon. Yeah, absolutely. Bye, everybody. I'm excited for the comedy show. Hell yeah.