The Joe Rogan Experience - #1382 - RZA & Donnell Rawlings

Episode Date: November 12, 2019

RZA is a rapper, record producer, musician, actor, and director. He is the de facto leader of the Wu-Tang Clan. Donnell Rawlings is a stand up comedian, actor, and podcaster. He’s known best for his roles on Chappelle’s Show and The Wire.

Boom, okay So, now that I'm the producer of the Don L. Rawlings podcast We already established that We've established that Yes We've taken off the RZA Sir, thank you for being here Thank you

I'm going to give him a beat Man! He's going to be You're going to have music It's going to be hip hop From hip hop royalty Yo, first off When you said that

I'm saying I got a button down too Don't just assume it's all hip-hop. That was insulting. Not hip-hop. I would love any genre. If you have a vision or you see or you're even connected to this at all, whatever you feel, I fucking got to feel it. And I make it work.

I think your idea of driving around talking shit is a great one. I like when Bill Burr did a podcast doing that. He basically did these little video things doing that. But driving with Donnell is a great one. I like when Bill Burr did a podcast doing that. He basically did these little video things doing that. But driving with Donnell is a great idea. Or even just, don't limit it. Do whatever the fuck you want. If one day you want to drive, drive. If one day you want to sit in your living room, just talk shit in your living room, do that.

The day was a good day for me because I knew I was coming to do your show. And I've been ducking the question and evading it for so long. When I see you, I can't even be real with you like I want to. And I was like, I said, fuck, man, I'm doing Rogan in two hours. I got to go do a podcast. What are you writing? I was just writing podcast because I don't know if he was on a podcast or a podcast. P.O.D.

P.O.D. I know, so I'm just kind of, you know, I'm just taking notes. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, yo. It's just going to you know, I'm just taking notes. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, yo. It's just going to be like, it's just going to be, I wanted Joe to stop bullying me. I didn't want him to talk shit. Because every time I see him.

I'm just trying to help. Every time I see him, son, he be like this. We have a regular conversation. Then he just start doing like this. With his hands, right? I'm like, this nigga about to hit me, right? No. Yo.

He say, he say, what's up with the podcast? We're going to shoot that shit to the moon. Uh-oh. Come on, man. He said, he started doing this? Yeah, yeah. It's that high school life. Yo, yo, yo.

Three o'clock. I'm just trying to get him enthusiastic. I'm like, you're too good. You're too good to not have a podcast. He said to do this, and I said, and I'm going to tell you, I could go in front of thousands and thousands of people. I ain't tripping off that shit. But it was just something about me talking to myself.

Talking to myself. I never did that. 44 minutes. Yeah, I don't know. Do you ever talk to yourself? I never did that. You know what? I gotta let, you gotta talk to yourself. But I never did it.

But you know what? You gotta start, bro. Let me say, I gotta say this. Yo, yo, no, the real talk. Today, I've been talking to Joe, real talk Today I've been talking to Joe No bullshit I've been talking to Joe About this shit for five months

We talk about it People been His fans were talking about it And I ain't gonna front I was a little nervous about it And like I was like Ah ah ah

And then when I did it Today when I finished it I felt Good as shit Son I felt like this I was like Oh it's about to be on son

It's on See We just had to get moving That's all you needed You just needed a launch Who started Shit, son. See what I mean? I felt like this. I was like, oh, it's about to be on, son. It's on. See? We just had to get moving. That's all you needed. You just needed a launch. Who started their podcast off with Joe Rogan, producer, and Ariza, producer? And Jamie Vernon doing the technical difficulties. Jamie was mad at me at first, though.

Jamie went trying to help me out. Oh, Joe, I was trying to call. I'm trying to talk like a white person, Joe. I'm talking like a white person. Yo, I didn't want to throw the child in. He wanted me to say, fuck it then, right? I was trying to figure it out. And I said, okay, Jamie, you're absolutely right.

I agree with you 100%. Absolutely. I said, what can I do To help me and you We're gonna make it happen And we worked it out We worked it out He didn't wanna turn my internet on He was like

He didn't wanna put me online Or nothing son There's a couple of companies That offer like a Turnkey sort of situation What is the one Who does Eric Weinstein's podcast And

He does I gotta Google that. They have a service. They have a company. And they get all the ads for you and they take a certain percent and then they set up a studio for you. You don't have to think about shit.

You just go in and be yourself. We know it's crazy. Not that I'm jumping on Donnell's bandwagon right here. You can, though. What's wrong with that? I'm not used to that. I'm not used to jumping on bandwagon right here. You can, though. What's wrong with that? You know, I'm not used to that. All right. I'm not used to jumping on bandwagons.

But let me just say, yo, now, maybe for the last few months, since we started the Hulu, the American Saga series, people have been pushing me to do a podcast, right? They would love to listen to you. I end up not doing one, but we have one for the show, of course,

that kind of does, you know, like after the show goes on, you could go and listen and hear, you know, more inside details of the story. But still, during that process, it was like, you need to do a podcast,

whereas because just the way you think, we just need more people with that kind of thinking you know yeah so he just said does he talk to us you know he don't talk to himself but then after he was finished talking to himself for 44 minutes he felt a weight come off him i was son but there's a scripture on that bro what is it the scripture is in the bag of the gita is that the quran no no no i Is that the Quran? No. No. I don't know.

I know the Quran is the Quran. All right. I just need to know. So the Bhagavad Gita means the song of God. Just put G-I-T-A, Gita. The Gita, right? It's actually the words of Krishna. And he says, contemplation with yourself, which is talking with yourself, will take you further than praying.

Ooh. Okay? And if a man is not contemplating, right, if you're not, whether you're doing it verbally, like right now we're talking out loud, we all got that voice in our head. Yeah. You had that voice. It was like, yo, I put the condom on and that. I don't want to get that live no more.

I feel you. We've been there. You had that voice. Right. And, you know, if you listen to it... I don't want to join that lab no more. I feel you. We've been there. You have that voice. Right. And you know, if you listen to it or you don't listen to it, right? Right. But the bottom line is that, according to Krishna, it's that contemplation that makes us better. It's that reflection of what we did, what we're going to do.

And when you verbalize it even out loud, you know what I mean? The spoken word, it's even more powerful. You get it out. That's how I felt. But I'm telling you, part of it was like I was not letting Joe talk shit to me. I was like, fuck that, man. He not doing that. But I'm glad I did it, man.

The body of our Gita did not reach him. Yeah. Yeah, you got to do a podcast, son. You should. I think look Son son son People get mad at me Because they tell people

They get mad money too son You can make money What But the most important thing Is that you have a voice Like you're an interesting guy If you did a podcast It would be interesting

There's a lot of people It's good to have a bunch Of different people Doing it from all different Different styles of art Different walks of life If a person has already if a person has already been interested people for what people want to want to keep getting different pieces of

you how can you give it to them dude they'd love you just talk about come on man that's a that's a fucking easy that's that's a no-brainer you're quoting the bhagavad-gita it's you and duncan trussell the only people who quote the bhagavad-. That's hilarious. I love that book. Oh, that's an amazing book, man. That's what Oppenheimer quoted when he watched the first atomic bomb blow off. It said, I am become death, destroyer of worlds. It's a quote right from the Bhagavad Gita. That's crazy shit. That's a dad.

Yeah. That is a fascinating book, man. There's all sorts of allusions to UFOs and shit. I was about to say that. You talk about the Maharada, which is the longer version. So the Bhagavad Gita is about 700 verses that's taken out of the Maharada, which is one of the longest. It's not the longest poem, but it's in the top ten. How do you say it?

Is it Mahabharata? How do you say it? Yeah. That B is in there. I don't know if that B is silent. Yeah, that's the one with all the... I don't even know where it's got a silent B. Mahabharata? How do you say it? Yeah, you might have. That B is in there. I don't know if that B is silent. Yeah, that's the one with all the- I only know words that got a silent B. Mahabharata.

That's the one with the- What word has a silent B? I never even know those words existed. Mahabharata. A silent B? No, that's got a B in there. That B makes noise, right? But there's Vimanas in that, right?

Where there's flying crafts crafts there's a bunch of weird shit that people throughout history have tried to figure out what the fuck are they talking about yeah and uh you know that ancient civilization was measuring what they call coppers every 35 000 years you know and they were saying, you know. Measuring coppers? Yeah, no, like that's like K-A-P-P-A, like Capadonna, copper. Oh. I got a tendency to, I want to just make a disclaimer real quick. I have a tendency to pronounce words the way I pronounce them. I have a tendency to listen and understand the words the way you pronounce them.

Words are everything I love, my nigga. Yo, wait a minute Can I say this real quick? I did my show earlier, right, son? Joe said he never spit a 16, son Oh, you never spit a 16? No, I didn't I'm very white

Eight? No, no, man I didn't even know what he was talking about I had to go over it with him Tell him the bars you said you spit I said hip-hop, hip-hop Oh, he was in a classic He was asking me about Sugar Hill I had to like go over it with him. Tell him the bars you said you spent. What did I say? Hip hop. Hip hop. Oh, he was in a classic. Yo, he was in a classic.

He was asking me about Sugar Hill. And I said, yeah, I remember that. And then I started singing it. I don't think I was asking you about Sugar Hill, sir. I think we talked about it. No, no, no. I wish I could remember exactly. Didn't he?

I think you did. We went to Sugar Hill after a period of time. Yeah, you asked me if I knew. No, no. This is what I said. You ever spent 16? You was like, this is what you told me, Joe. You said, I don't have time to spit 16.

No, I don't have any time to rap. This is what you said. I don't. You said, I have much better things. I said, I enjoy it. You said, Joe. I enjoy listening to it. I don't have time to do it.

That's what Joe, you said. I have much better things to do in my time than to spit 16. I don't think that's what I said. I'm pretty sure that's what you said. What I said was, I'm too busy to do one more thing. And I like rap, but I don't like to do it maybe i would love it but i'm not going to i don't have any time okay that's all it's not your thing yeah that's all it means don't try to twist it i am the producer of your show and you are treating me like a terrible man i'm fine misquoting edit it go edit it out let's edit let's edit this we were talking about how few white rappers ever You are treating me like a terrible man. I'm fired already. Misquoting.

You're going to edit it out. Just edit this. We were talking about how few white rappers ever actually make it. Like the tiny percentage in comparison to the ones who try it. Like how many of them try it? You got to think there must be millions and millions that have tried it. Right. Right?

There's like a small handful of guys. Well, in all reality, it's a small handful, period, for any race. Period, for any race. That's true, too. So if you look at the ratio, I'm a ratio guy. So as we talk, you'll see I'm always pulling some numbers into things. But if you look at the ratio, let's say 1 million white guys tried. Right. Five made it.

Let's say 50 million blacks tried. You see what I mean? So it's usually the ratio. Right. Many more are doing it. Let's say 50 million blacks tried. You see what I mean? So, it's usually the ratio. Right. Many more are doing it. I see what you're saying. Yeah.

Makes sense. But hip-hop, let me just say something about hip-hop because I can say that, right? It's dead? No.

I thought you could make me nervous. I was just checking. I was like, you killed it. I don't care. Tekashi tried to kill it, but go ahead and say it.

No, the beautiful thing is that hip hop is really one of those. No, he did. Okay, I'm sorry. No, no, it's all good. I like this energy here. But hip hop is a pure American culture. It's like people try to trace it. Nah, man.

Trace it right here. And when it was formed, right, it's definitely, you know, a lot of young black men, you know, you have to go back to Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash and Melty Mel and Spoonie G. You know, you can go back to the classes, you know, Grandmaster Kaz, right? But within Grandmaster Kaz crew, the Cold Cr Cross brother, you got Charlie Chase, right? So you got the Spanish brothers there. Within our first hip-hop songs that we love, you know, LL Cool J, Rock the Bells. Oh, guess who produced that?

Rick Rubin. He got the white brother there. Oh, yeah. We was talking about that. So the youth culture of America at that time, right, even with Fab Five Freddy going down town to the CBGB crowd and all that and Blondie and all these things was melding from our culture. Now, whereas, of course, it's dominantly a black expression, right? We can say we dominated the culture, but it took angles from every other part of New York to make it exist. And that means it took our Spanish brothers and their culture.

It took our white brothers and their culture to all form it. And then, of course, when Wu-Tang came, we brought the Asian culture in. You know what I mean? Yeah. Wu-Tang, when you say that, it's like it came in like a thunderstorm. You're like, whoo! You know what I mean? So we should be proud to know that it's like an inclusive American art form. It is.

You know what I mean? And look, Bruce Lee, who was an American, right? People got to, you know, he represents the Asian culture, but he was born in America, went back, made it big in Hong Kong, and came back to America and took it to the next level again. And when you look at some of those breakdance moves and some of the philosophies that he brought to mixing more styles together, you know, Jeet Kune Do, which means the way of the intercepting fist, or also the way of he combined boxing with fencing with Wing Chun. Yes. Right? He put all those MMAs together before it was even that, right?

When it was taboo. Exactly. Hip-hop also is that same type of product where you do have the soul of James Brown, the jazz of the loneliest monk. You know what I mean? The rock beat of Billy Squire yeah I got a big beat

or Honky Tonk Walking by Rolling Stones those are break beats but yet you also got the Latin feeling of the Mambo Kings and songs like Apache and the Mexican

do you think hip hop is evolving and not just cause is it evolving in a sense of the creativity of it? I think it's definitely.

Because people, they got a situation now where it don't have to evolve. People have found a way to make money off of something that people may not agree with. There's like hot. But do you think hip hop is evolving? Yes, it always evolves. Right. Yes, it always evolved, right? So it's part of the evolution we're seeing now is whereas we, in my generation, we relied on music that was createdpler and then we sampled a lot of songs a lot of breaks from old records that already existed right right but this generation right they're not actually forced to sample they actually could take their

keyboard their drum machine their laptop and just drum machine, their laptop, and just create. And on their phone, too. Yeah, and on their phone, and just create the beat, right? And so now the beat has no historical reference to it in the sense of, oh, that was a James Brown sample, that was a Marvin Gaye sample. No, that's just that kid who, whether he did Fruity Loops and threw some chord progressions together, or whether he sat there on his garage band on his phone and hit the guitar program that comes with it or whatever,

the creativity of it is now having this form of originality, right? Now, of course, once something like that happens, there's a formula. So we keep hearing that same formula exists right now.

But I think one of the greatest evolution of hip hop, right, is, and I'm going to use the word evolution loosely because when I think one of the greatest evolution of hip hop, right, is, and I'm going to use the word evolution loosely because when I think about the Cold Crush Brothers and the Force MDs, they did this anyway in the beginning. But hip hop has become more melodic now than it did in the 90s and the early 2000s right so what I mean by that you know rappers now you know you know I'm just so D yeah like it's all melody it's all you know it's all chanting right uh it has the reggae chant vibe to it when we was doing it I smoke on the mic like smoking Joe Frazier the hell laser right it was all aggressive chop rap you know what i mean so so to see that it evolves to this melodic form and then look at kanye he's now took

it to gospel it's melodic as hell right now snoop took it to the snoop lion but snoop lion he was snoop was really successful the snoop lion thing didn't wasn't that successful but the one he won the out gospel, I think he was getting awards and nominated and stayed on top of Billboard for a while. Yeah, and now Kanye is in that world. So it's evolving, right? The church is even different now. You got fucking pussy eating preachers now.

What you mean now? What? No, I'm just saying, like, viral. No, I'm just saying. No, I'm sorry. I didn't know. What's going on? I didn't know.

They had this one. You didn't hear about this, son? You know what's going on? sorry. I didn't know. What's going on? I didn't know. They had this one. You didn't hear about this, son? Did you know what's going on? No, I don't know exactly what's going on. Say that again slow, brother. The pussy-eating preacher. What is that, a pep? Jamie, Google it.

Google it, son. It was like, I'm pretty sure preachers eat pussy for a while, but this one got caught on camera and he went viral, son. On Pornhub? It's not Pornhub? It's not Pornhub No no no Is that real? Yo

Yo it's real Okay Women doing little signs like if you was on a deserted island who would you want to be and they got somebody else they got somebody else

and they got the pristine preacher and people can vote I know it's kind of disgusting Where's he from? From New York? I don't know

he from down south they on God hard down there. They on guard hard? They on guard hard. They on guard hard, son. They on the North Carolina, South Carolina. Oh, Jesus, Jamie. That's him right there.

They say he's speaking tongues. I don't want to see that. Oh, wait. That's the pussy cats. Yeah, they blocked it all out with pussy cats so that you can't see. Yeah. Pussy. And it's still popular.

It's the internet kids these wacky kids they love cats and this guy conjugation is going up well yeah it's going up people are dissing they're like look at god what he do girls like eating getting their pussy eating it's a fact listen nothing wrong listen yeah that's one thing about sex this is you look let's use a little more scientific word here please cunnilingus ahus. Man, I know. All right. I feel you, but nah. Go ahead. Listen, but just like you said earlier, you're going to speak the way you normally talk?

Yeah. So, cunnilingus. I use cunnilingus in my daily conversation, okay? No, but cunnilingus is, look, it's fellatio, whatever you guys want to do. This is part of sex. So, it is what it is, right? And, of course, fellatio, whatever you guys want to do. This is part of sex. So it is what it is, right? And, of course, everybody likes it. Everybody likes sex.

Listen, I don't think you're going to find a species that don't like sex. Yeah. You can see two flies on top of each other. You ever see two flies? They smash in the air. Right. Doing 360s, yo. Right.

You know what I mean Yeah You know Go and do it verticals too You ever see eagles do it They have to fly through the air And they almost crash to the ground While they're fucking

Cause they kinda like Run out of space That's crazy Yeah And the guy's trying to nut On the way down And if they don't make it Sometimes they'll bounce off trees and shit

You ever seen it Nah You should watch Eagles Fuck Jimmy Schubert used to have A great bit about it I don't know if he still has it but he had a great bit about eagles eagles fucking sound like the name of a band yeah a metal band eagles eagles fucking do they go to sleep afterwards i don't know i don't know a whole lot about it but i remember learning about it from a jimmy schubert bit yeah this is them fucking They fuck And they just lock up

Until he gets it off She's like No let go You're not gonna come He's like I'm gonna get it off Damn he's focused You know what I like about that

Those are American eagles Right there They are Americans fucking Taking a big risk for cum I mean this Bananas This is the real thing

And then apparently They'll disjoin With no emotions Ain't no emotions involved with this Look at his face though he had that face like you saw what I did today wasn't it

no emotion involved with that at all it's a terrible animal to have as our national animal isn't it it's a raptor a vicious raptor that doesn't give a fuck

about anything but when that motherfucker spread his wings ooh that look is like you don't know that look and flying

is what gives it that it's good if you want the world to be scared of you That look is like You don't That look and flying Is what Gives it that It's good if you want the world To be scared of you Yeah You definitely want An eagle is a good Good one

A good one Yeah Man One of the forms of Kung Fu That I had to learn Is the eagle claw Yeah Which is a very good

If you want me to show you Nah man You ain't got to do no moves on me man I know you Wu-Tang Don't bitch me out of that When did you. Wu-Tang, man. Don't bitch me out of that. When did you get into kung fu movies?

Wow. I got into those. I saw my first kung fu movie, I think, at the age of nine. Right? Wow. And that was probably only my third movie experience. Only because, you know. Right.

I mean, nowadays, you can see movies anywhere. Back then in the early 70s. You had to go somewhere. You had to go somewhere. You had to go somewhere. And listen. You had to have a tape. No, no, no. VHS.

No, no. This was before VHS. I'm talking about going to the movies. And actually seeing the shit. My first movie. Let me give you a little movie history for the RZA. First movie I ever saw was Huckleberry Finn. Wow.

Okay? Down south, my cousin took me to the movies. I was maybe six or seven years old. Second time to the movie theater. Second time, my Uncle Hollis took me. It was a double feature. It was Star Wars and The Swarm, right? And listen to how all this stuff affects my life. The Killer Bees, The Swarm,

Wu-Tang Killer Bees. Right. Third time to the movie theater, right? Or third or fourth time, because I saw Rocky, and then I saw a double feature

starring Bruce Lee, which is called Fury of the Dragon, and another movie called Black Samurai starring Jim Kelly. Oh, man, that was the shit. And once I saw that, Yo,

that nigga's fucking motherfuckers. Oh, I'm sorry. He was a bad pre with fucking bitches and everything. Go ahead.

Once I saw that, I was hooked on the action kung fu movies. What? Okay, and then I saw, As a double feature, you had to.

As a double feature. That's like, bam, bam. 10 to the age of nine. And mind you, That was the birth to. As a double feature. That's like, bam, bam. 10 to the age of nine. And mind you- That was the birth of Wu-Tang Clan. Yeah, and mind you, back then, to go to the movies, my family didn't have the $1.25. Like, to get the money to go to movies-

It's a big deal. It may take six months. God damn. And when we got to the movies, I'm going to tell you this, family, my family. This is back when I was still eating meat, pork, swine. We used to kill the pig. We used to raise them, name them, kill them, eat them. All right?

So now I'm in New York City living with my grandmother. Send me the movies. Rocky's playing. Everybody's coming to see Rocky. We got to bring our Sunday dinner to the theater with us. Oh, nigga! And yo, and my grandma

stuffed pig feet in there. Oh! Collard greens, potato salad. Joe, you would never know this, Joe. Wow.

In the movies. In the movies. All the people who got popcorn and goobers. They let you bring it in? Back in those days, you could,

but you know what? You also sneak it in. Yeah, you got to sneak it in. you had a big bag. You knew what a big bag was nobody was thirsty one motherfucker might get a soda

they was like this they sharing like you yo let me tell you something we walked for years I walked right past

all the concessions yeah everything popcorn hot dogs Twizzlers never had no money for that shit

and walked straight in the theater yeah I'm with him. Because, listen, think about a dollar for a Snicker. You couldn't even get a Snicker when it was 40 cents. Nope. Like, we used to ask our parents, hey, Mom, you got 25 cents? What you say?

Boy, I ain't got good cents. I ain't got no cents. I ain't got good cents, boy. You know what I mean? So we from that era. But at the end of the day, though, got good sense Boy you know what I mean So we from that era But At the end of the day though Those movie moments You know what I mean

They really inspired me Really Took me Like to a world That was different From the From the project world That I lived in

You know what I mean And once I started seeing Like movies like The Five Deadly Venoms And 36 Chambers And And Mask Avengers

and Super Ninjas, all that. When you start seeing those now, you're like in the period. And you're seeing all this action and it's just, it started resonating with me.

And maybe around the age of 14, I just ended it right here. I won't talk the whole show of it, but around the age of 14, I'm watching. Niggas want to listen. Yeah, don't worry about it.

I'm watching. Eating Tito's and Tonic here? Remember last time you gave me a drink Do you want a drink Yeah I'll take a Cheetos You don't drink right You don't drink You're a vegan

Y'all don't drink right I'm a vegan I don't drink Nah just ask your question Vegans don't do shit Ain't no meat and vegan I mean ain't no meat and drinks I didn't know

When someone be Like what is the potato And then is it I don't know how You know They be like Is it corn syrup Is this dehydrated What's then is it oh i don't know how you know they'd be like is it corn syrup is this dehydrated what's the origin of it i don't know right there's a lot of wine that's not vegan apparently yeah they put egg whites in a lot of is that what they do egg whites

yeah i don't even really to be honest i don't even really know what the fuck a real vegan is how you doing okay what does that mean is it is it is? Is it You can't eat any animal products What is it It ain't that you can't, right? Well, if you are claiming to be a vegan A vegan diet is no animal products So do true vegans give a fuck about vegan for the health of it Or for actually what it's doing to animals and shit?

Both For sure Really? Yeah So you give a fuck about People share How chickens are slaughtered and shit is the reason? Yeah.

To be honest with you, bro, I just hit you with this right here. The reality, how I feel, no animal needs to die for me to live. Okay? My son turned 14 this year, never had a piece of meat in his life. Okay? He's going to do eight pull-ups right now. Okay, my oldest son, having had

meat in his life, he could bench over 200 pounds. Okay, 6'2", 8-pack, play guitar, piano, great memory. He never had no hot dogs or nothing. Never had a hot dog. He never had a hot dog. He never had no hot dogs or nothing? Never had a hot dog.

He never had a hot dog. Never had a hot dog. Never had a hot dog. He never had a hot dog. You ain't never tell. Hold on. He never, you think he never, ever had a hot dog. Listen.

How old is he, 18? Listen. How old is he, 18? 21. 21. He never, yo. Son. Listen.

Okay. If he had a hot dog, it was a vegan hot dog. You know what I mean? Not at a grandma's house or nothing? Nah. Nah. The whiskey? No. But I'm not knocking it. If he had a hot dog It was a vegan hot dog You know what I mean Not at my grandma's or nothing Nah Nah The whiskey But I'm not The point being made to you

Right bro is that I'm only saying that To say that I got I can look at my household As a living example That You don't need

I'm with you That to live I'm mad I'm not arguing whatever Cause I'm Especially so now I talk shit about Vegans and shit I talk shit about vegans and shit.

I talk shit about plant-based motherfuckers. But I know now, like, the way people cook it and the more options, there's more options to eat like that than there was when I was coming up. When I was coming up, it was just like that sunrise patty. That's the only vegetarian. And they can tell you to eat some broccoli or carrots or something. But it wasn't no options. And it wasn't so many people doing it where you wasn't finding no vegan restaurant. You like, it would be one spot.

You got to go way over there. You go to a Jamaican spot in Brooklyn. If you was a vegetarian, you had that one steamed pie and they had the mixed vegetables. That's the only thing you was going to get that didn't have no meat in it. Yeah, I became vegetarian. So me and ODB, right? Yeah, man, why you switch on me? But I'll do it. You can have that.

Jamie wants to get the Tito's. You're a Tito's man? I got to change my flight. I ain't going. We got him. We got him. We got him in first class. What I got to do, and plus I ain't really seen my son that much. What I got to do, I could do it anytime tomorrow. I'm going to see somebody, I could like, and plus I ain't really seen my son that much. What I got to do, I could do it anytime tomorrow.

I'm going to see somebody. I could be there four hours later. I need to get some time with my son, and I'm chilling here. So I know I ain't get invited, but. Hey, what are you talking about? Have a seat. You're here. So did you, when did you stop eating meat?

How many years has it been? I haven't had a piece of red meat since 1995. wow and what about fish i haven't had a piece of poetry since 1996 after you finished the liquid sword album i guess and i haven't had fish i stopped eating fish son in 1997. damn I feel the average motherfucker feel good if he could hold on to fish. You feel good like a pescatarian? Cheers, my man. You got squash? He's got turmeric coffee.

Yo, you got squash, son? Yeah, I'm not drinking alcohol. You don't drink any alcohol? No, no, no. Would you like a glass? No, I had a good weekend of drinking. So I'm going to take the weekdays. Congratulations.

Thank you. I respect that, son. I respect that, son. Yeah, I got, you know, I like to drink. I mean, I drink, but, you know, if I go to a heavy weekend, I got to take some chill pills. So what do you, do you monitor your nutrition and make sure you get all your bases covered, your amino acids and your proteins? Are you mostly a whole food diet or do you supplement?

I don't really monitor, yo. I don't eat a lot, personally. You know what I mean? Like on a good day, if I'm on the best rizzo, I'm going to eat once a day anyway. Once a day? Yeah. What's a typical meal? I haven't eaten today. Really? No. You know what I mean? I haven't eaten today. Really? No.

You know what I mean? I got some, you're gonna love this. I got some lettuce wraps. Yo, you give him that shit you tried to give me, son. That I'm gonna eat after I might finish this. Yo, why you act like I'm against being a vegan? I'm not against it, man. I'm just saying you're gonna love this. I know, but I never said I wouldn't

love it, son. I'm not mad at your diet, man. Only thing I'm saying is you know, I don't know a lot of vegans. I need to know more vegans. F-bombs. You would eat one of those, right? What's this? The wheat joint? Nut butter.

No, it's just nut butter. Nut butter. I don't like that. I told you, son. I told you, son. I told you, son. You got to rename this one. Yo, that's the first thing I said, y'all.

Fat bomb. Then you can't lead in with nuts. You can't lead in with nuts. Healthy oils. You can't lead in with nuts.

Nuts. Cool. Crunched up nuts. Can I say crunched up nuts? Is that all right? Yeah, you can. You're just like trying to stay away

from nuts, period. Like you just try to stay everything nut related. But I eat a lot of those. It makes sense, but I'm just not used to a liquid diet Some people Some people are cool with a liquid diet

I'm just not comfortable with it It tastes good And if I just need nutrition Real quick I'm not mad at you I take one of these with me Yeah you can I'm not mad at you

I'll get them to send you some I'll get them to send you some Okay It's great shit man Well I like That's reading it It makes so much sense Very healthy

It's basically just protein, organic, dark chocolate. And I'm going to say this to you, brother. No offense on this, man. Why you keep,

why you keep, because everything you only be, don't say this to you because it won't go to him. This don't work on him. All right. But every time you say something to me, you said it like before you start tripping out, I'm not.

Yes, you are. Yes, you are. You like, let me go ahead. Good. I'm going to say something to you, tripping out. I'm not. Yes, you are. I don't do that. Yes, you are. You like it. Let me tell you. Go ahead. Go ahead.

I'm going to say something to you, gentlemen, but this is for you. Okay. No, no. It has dark chocolate in it, right? Okay. So dark chocolate is known to reduce high blood pressure. Right. And us as black men, we're, you know, they say we have high blood pressure.

Right. Based on us being in America, not getting that real natural sun. Right. And having a high sodium diet. I understand. High blood pressure. Dark chocolate helps reduce it. So this is.

Good for me. Yeah. This is good for everybody. But why you got just directed at me? Like I need dark chocolate. Well, brother. I'm just saying, I don't even know why you felt like I needed the dark chocolate. I don't know.

I had to. You know what? I just... No, I'm just saying. You keep pointing at me and shit. I'm sorry. I like dark chocolate like everybody else like dark chocolate. You like milk chocolate or dark chocolate?

I like dark chocolate. You know what's great? What? Watch this shit on TV. This is my shit. Watch what on TV? The Food That Made America. Anybody watch that yet? No, what is TV. This is my shit. Watch what on TV? The Food That Made America. Anybody watch that yet?

No, what is it? Food Channel? No. Maybe it's a history channel or one of them stations. But they go into the Hershey Company, the Mars. Oh, is that the same people that did The Men That Made America? It's an A&E docuseries. I didn't know.

I didn't see that one. But that one about The Men That Made America? Yeah. I I gotta watch it Go ahead Did they cover Kellogg's? They covered Kellogg's yo Check out how Kellogg's start yo I got a story

I got a story for you Tell the story about how I got a story for you You know why black people like Pepsi But hold on Let him tell the Kellogg's story Because you're not even Going to believe this

Okay Kellogg's start Because he's just a doctor With a little They call it sanitary What do they call it sanitary, what they call it? Sanitarium. Yeah.

Is that what he had? Let's see. I pronounced the words wrong sometimes. Whatever it is. But anyway, he's a doctor, right? Yeah, no, sanitarium. There it is. Sanitarium.

Battle Creek Sanitarium. Yeah, so he's there, right? Nigga, I never knew that motherfucker, that Kellogg, yo. Yeah, take it out. He's a real man. I didn't know he was a real motherfucker. I did not know Kellogg and Greel. Yeah, he's a real man. I didn't know he was a real motherfucker. I did not know Kellogg was a motherfucker.

Dude, he invented cereal to keep people from having sex and beating off. He invented cereal. He got to be in cereal boxes forever.

He invented cereal to calm people's sexual desire. Really? And their diet, you know what I'm saying? Because they were sick there and they thought the best way

to get the nutrients, he would bake all this grain together and then break it up and serve it to them. No, he didn't pour milk. His brother actually was the one

that was like put some milk in it. Oh, yeah. It's always somebody trying to fuck you up. He's like, nah, I need some. I need some.

Pour some milk in it. Well, he was right. It's the truth. Oh, that's the best shit after sex cereal? Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah, after cereal. Yo, you gotta have

after sex cereal. He's right. Golden Grahams. Immediately. Now, check's the best shit? After sex cereal? Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah, after cereal. Yo, you got to have after sex, son. He's right. Golden Grahams. Immediately. Now, check out the punchline of the story, right? So, Kellogg's is doing this shit, and his brother's like, yo, listen, man. There's money in this. We can sell this.

But Kellogg's, he's a doctor. He's already making money. He's like, nah, man. Look, his brother's a little dyslexia. He ain't really kind of got it together. He's telling his brother, look, we ain't doing all that, son. Just go to work and do what I tell you. Right.

Right? So he's going to work, do what he tells him. And then one guy comes over to the sanatorium. No money. Can't afford to pay. He has to work it off. Right. So they let him work it off, right?

He's working. He's eating the cereal every morning. And he's just checking out the sanatorium. And he looks around. His name is Mr. Post. Mr. Post? Yeah. He leaves the sanitarium

and before Kellogg's starts Kellogg's cereal, Mr. Post started Post's cereal, homie. Oh. He came out with Post and blew up. Yo. Oh, I forgot about posts Yo for real Was it beef

Was they had like cereal beef It was oh It was cereal beef For the whole like It still got beef Do you know that's why Pepsi Cola right You ask yourself

Black people love Pepsi Cola Right I was talking to this White dude one time He said you know why Black people like Pepsi I was like you trying to be racist Right

And he explained the story to me Back in like the 30s When Coca-Cola and Pepsi explained the story to me back in like the 30s when coca-cola and pepsi was the two vine uh uh bottling companies and um coca-cola was smashing pepsi on on sales right like like 125 minutes like 3 million in sales per year right and pepsi needed to do something to get a different audience so pepsi painted um basically coke to be either racist or not really caring about the black community and pepsi was the first um a corporation that started putting black people on the cover of the posters and doing being affluent like like doctors nurses they because

everything you saw was like aunt jemima shit but pe but Pepsi was the first ones to start doing that, and Pepsi hired an ad agency, 12 black guys, I think it was in Louisiana, to go out and do juke joints and touch the black community. And what Pepsi did was like, quantity-wise, like say if you had 10 ounces of Pepsi, 10 ounces of Coke, Coke would charge like 20 cents, and Pepsi would charge like 10 cents, but basically you're getting double what you want. You give a nigga sugar, it don't matter. You can charge it up, right? Yeah, yeah.

So that's the reason. And then if you think about that through generations and generations, that's the reason why a person can be disconnected from a certain brand. You see, think about it. If you at home, right, you got Pepsi and Coke. And then you hear somebody say, man, we don't drink that Coke, man. That's that white people soda. You know what I'm saying?

You won't drink it anymore. And that's what they did and they and it's a book called it's called it's a book called the real jamie pop it up the real pepsi challenge the real pepsi challenge that's interesting and i wanted to i think this would be i looked into trying to get the rights to if some kind of way i got blocked early on maybe i had a right Maybe I had to write Jutan clan on my team To get it done But the real Pepsi challenge The real Pepsi challenge Read the synopsis

How one pioneering company Broke the color barrier In 1940s American businesses Wow And see that You wasn't seeing back then You wasn't seeing posters Of a working mom

You was just seeing like Serving and stuff And that's when Is that an audio version of that book I'll buy the fuck out of it I'm pretty sure it is I gotta get it

but it's a great story you could see you could just see you reading you could just see the outfits they was wearing and like the Pepsi dudes they was a Pepsi

they was a Pepsi niggas they was just they had money to go throw parties and shit they was like they was turning up yep

Pepsi it up pep it up do you know that Coca-Cola to this was like- Just pep it up. Yep. Pepsi it up. Pep it up. Do you know that Coca-Cola to this day is made with cocaine? Not to this day. I heard early on. No, it's this day. They make it with cocaine. They use coca leaves, and then they extract medical cocaine from that, and then there's

a company that makes- Presto's it. Yep. There's a company that extracts it for them and makes medical cocaine, and they have coca leaves that are shipped to Coca-Cola to make Coca-Cola. There's a certain flavor that those coca leaves give it. No cocaine anymore. Right.

I thought it was the sugar. The original coca leaves. No, but there's a company that's connected to it that actually uses those coca leaves and extracts the medical. There is medical cocaine, like lidocaine. Yeah. They use it for different surgeries and shit like that. That's true, right?

Well, yeah. In the series, The Food That Made America, they go into Coca-Cola. Crazy. I can't believe that. They can still buy Coke. And yo, he said- I'll stick my drink back. But the inventor of Coca-Cola was hooked on-

Coke. Cocaine? No, another drug. No? He was hooked on, I forgot. You can look it up, right? He's hooked on, what's the other? Morphine.

He's hooked on morphine, right? So he's trying to counter it. He's trying to counter himself. With cocaine. Basically. Oh my God, he's speedballing. But check it out. But the cocoa, the cocoa leaf, the cocoa plant, it's actually an African plant.

You know what I mean? We always think of it as being Colombian and... So it's like coffee? Coffee all came from Ethiopia? It's that kind of party. And they go into it. He makes cocoa, the cocoa plant and a few other

ingredients together. And he made Coca-Cola. So he made a cocktail to sort of take off the morphine edge. Yeah, and the original formula is still unknown. For Coca-Cola? I mean, no. Can you imagine what it would be like to buy Coca-Cola when it had cocaine in it? You're like, crack, wow!

Yo, you're like, what? Running through the streets coked up on Coca-Cola. This motherfucker's really thirsty. Nah, he lit right now. Can you imagine what that was? What was the decision? Like, when did they all get together and go, hey, we got to take the fucking cocaine out of Coca-Cola? When did they get together and take that out?

I thought that they did it for people, like, with dental issues with their mouth and stuff. Like pain and shit? Yeah. That's what lidocaine is. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was the first. That's what what?

Lidocaine. Lidocaine. They're using surgeries. Lidocaine. Yeah. When I had my deviated septum fixed, I had a broken nose. They straightened it out, and they flood it with lidocaine to numb it it's like a cousin of cocaine yeah it doesn't get you high but it makes you feel like shit it makes you feel like shit it doesn't get you high

but you feel like disconnected and weird like uh they gave me a pretty good dose when they fixed my nose and i remember i went to a restaurant a restaurant either that night or the day after. I think it was that night. And I was feeling terrible. I'm like, I can't taste anything. I feel all shaky and weird. I'm not on cocaine, but it's like a weird cousin to it. Did it do anything to your appetite or anything?

Yeah, I wasn't that hungry. Really? Yeah, it fucked with me. It just made me feel shitty. I just felt like my heart was beating too fast. I felt weird. It just felt like something was off. It didn't make any sense.

But they use it just to numb you up for surgeries. It's real common. I never had none of that shit. Real common. You've joined injuries and shit like that. Shoot you up with lidocaine. I knew some fighters. Listen to the word again.

Lidocaine. Lidocaine. It's like lion. It's a lying version Of the whole thing It's a liar cane Sounds like a Frank Ocean song Lidocaine

Lidocaine He would shoot into his He would shoot into his shins Before fights For what? To numb his shins up? Numb the shit out of his shins And then start kneeing you?

Just fuck you up With his shins Fuck Fuck Couldn't feel a goddamn thing He was all numbed up Well there's no L lidocaine in this. This is strictly dry roasted macadamia nuts.

No, buddy. Organic dark chocolate. See, the nuts part is better on the back than the front right on your face when you first opened it. Yeah, at least that. And chocolate. Cane, syrup, cocoa powder, cocoa butter. Good stuff, right?

Vanilla and sea salt. It's all good. And dark chocolate. Good stuff. Yeah, let me put this in my pocket. I'm going to take this. Take it. What did you do?

Did you put it on top of something No I just Rip it open Chew it right out Yeah he do it hard So like after He just And just like

Just throw the thing Squeeze the thing And just throw that shit I noticed that you work out Are you working out I don't work out You can work out here too How about that

We'll produce your show Man I'm about to eat better I'm about to work out But I'm telling you Everything happens for a reason Cause I wanna eat better Cause I'm tired of this Mother this motherfucker looking at me like I eat all fucked up. You keep looking at me like, let me explain something to you. This is a dark chocolate.

Anyone who's disciplined with their diet, if you're disciplined with your diet, no matter what, you're going to do better than people or not. Man, I could do it. I could do it for every reason. I could do vegan everything for every reason. The health reasons, every reason for it. I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at vegan food. I think it works

for some people health-wise, but I think for other people it doesn't work. A piece of fish, son. I hear you. If I was to advise on it, right, if I could say,

yeah, take my advice, I'd say, look, even if you include one day a week with a vegan diet, just one day, right, just like how some coaches,

they have, you know, Saturday they do this or Sunday they do that. If you include it one day Right Just like how Like how some cultures They have You know Saturday they do this Or Sunday they do that If you include it one day Like vegan Friday Vegan Friday I can't do it on Friday

I can't give up vegan Friday For fish Friday Do you have Do you ever go to Indian restaurants That have vegetarian cuisine Indian restaurants They know how to do it

Because they've been doing it For fucking hundreds of years I'm not mad At a vegetable diet I'm not mad at it I would. I'm not mad at it. I like it. Especially, I like food. Especially if it's the best of that.

You know what I'm saying? I ain't ready for no vegan struggle plate. What is that? What's that? I don't know. Carrots with a little balsamic vinegar or something. Some straight lettuce. Oh, a struggle plate.

A struggle. A struggle plate. Travis, you want a carrot? That restaurant that he has? No, a head of A struggle plate. I don't want a vegan struggle plate. Travis, that restaurant that he has, he should have one of the plates. I don't want that. He should name one of the plates there, vegan struggle plate. Struggle plate. Travis Parker's place. He's got that Crossroads vegan restaurant.

He does? I'm going to contact him. Ask him for a vegan struggle plate. Vegan struggle plate. It's like one carrot, like one banana. You know what I'm saying? You need something hearty. No extra sauces or nothing. Just straight vegetables. Not the struggle plate I'm saying You need something hearty No extra No extra sauces

Or nothing Just straight vegetables Struggle plate Yeah You need something That's like mayonnaise sandwiches But vegan Exactly

Vegan version of that Vegan mayonnaise sandwiches Yeah You want something hearty You ever have a Sorry You ever have a A sugar sandwich

No What's a sugar sandwich I don't advise it It's just I'm saying No I'm saying Basically What No, I'm saying back... Basically... What is it?

School them on some diet. Wait, wait. Some of this stuff, sugar diet stuff, it's like the cheapest thing to get was a loaf of bread. Yeah. The cheapest thing you can get is a loaf of bread. Loaf of bread was $25, $30, $40, $70, whatever. Cheapest thing you can get is a loaf of bread. But everything else you put in it, it's not cheap.

The meat not cheap. You know what I'm saying? But you want to... The cheese could be free. The cheese could be free. The cheese could be free. But you want to create the whole sandwich because it don't matter how big it is. If it's meat or whatever, it's the same size. Whether it's a jelly sandwich or whatever.

And then you would get anything in between two pieces of bread, whether it was butter and sugar. I know this sounds so gross, Joe. That sounds good, butter and sugar. I know it sounds so gross That sounds good Butter and sugar I know it sounds good But it's gonna fuck you up You gonna be asking For dark chocolate Butter and sugar

That's not a bad sermon It's a killer Yo You gonna die Yo That shit ain't no good But that shit is like As a kid nigga

You was like Bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing Well that's what peanut butter And jelly does for you If you have like Skippy Or if you have like One of the real delicious peanut butters and some great jelly. This is what you just said. That's a lot of sugar.

You said, this is what you just said. Those delicious peanut butters. Yeah, well, instead of organic ones, the ones you have to stir yourself, those are good. They're good for you. They're much better for you because they don't have any sugar added to them. But everybody loves Jif or Skippy. But the whole thing about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. With with Wonder Bread everybody had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich yes everybody I hated peanut butter and jelly

sandwiches I wanted bologna and cheese I wanted the white bread I want you to do it horizontally. Cut it. Which way? The triangle? The triangle. Put it in Lunafor and then on that field trip on the bus, I want to get that goddamn bus heat to melt it up a little bit. Man, that was the best sandwich ever and we never got them. I never got them. Don't you hate when

somebody show up at the school lunch and they got a better sandwich than you? You just got a cheese sandwich and man got he got lettuce, tomatoes. He got a little ranch dressing to put on there. A cat's deli sandwich. Anybody ever been to Cat's Deli in New York? Oh, yeah.

Oh, man. Have you been to Cat's Deli, brother? I've been to Cat's Deli. Hey, listen. That place still has tickets. He's in New York. Hold on. No, you keep pointing at me like, this is how you just said it.

You said that. It felt like you said this to me. I know you ain't never been to Cat Cats, but go ahead and lie to me. Have you ever been to Cats Deli? I've been to Cats Deli. Yes, I have. What's your favorite thing in Cats Deli? I get a turkey and cheese.

I keep it simple. What? Turkey? I don't want to even talk about meat around you. What? This is not going to end well. Oh, you got to get the pastrami. Yo, you want the best pastrami of your life?

Slimans in Cleveland, Ohio. Really? Slimans in Cleveland. You've Really? Slimans in Cleveland. You've been there? That's in Greek. Not Greektown. It's over there by Slimans. I don't know.

Germantown. They have a Germantown. Probably so. This sandwich. You think that's better than Katz's? I'm telling you. This sandwich is the best thing they got in Cleveland. It's LeBron and his sandwich, son.

Yo, Jamie Jamie am I lying The sandwich is still there Yeah and it's like They're famous for their They're famous Really And not only that But it's like

You get this sandwich Like you could just You should If you really You could like The sandwich like this big You could be like Give me a sandwich

And then a half loaf of bread Cause you could make about Go home with it Yo you could go Yo You could go home This slimy shit Like if you wanna get yo you can go home this slimy shit like if you want to get

if you want to smash a heavy chicken in the midwest come back with one of these slimies that's sliming I know you ain't fuck with that son

but that sandwich that's hilarious how big that is but no it's not just the size of it it's a really good sandwich I believe it

but it's I love when people do that when they make something that's just over the top. Now what part is the pastrami made? Is that the cow's ass? Come on, man. I'm just asking, brother. I'm asking. A lot of meat is made from the ass. A lot of meat is made from the

legs, the rumps, you know. A lot of roasts are made from the legs. You ever eat Slim Jims? Yeah. It says right on it. It says beef lips, beef ass, and beef heart. Heart's good for you. Oh, okay.

I want to know about lips and assholes. I don't even want to talk about meat with you, man. The real problem is really the preservatives and all the stuff they put in it to make sure you can roll it up in a fucking tube and stick it in a tray and let it sit there for weeks and months on end. I mean, it's meat. It's not supposed to just sit there. I don't care how you seal it. Unless you're drying it out like beef jerky. And then even beef jerky, it's meat it's not supposed to just sit there like i don't care how you seal it if you unless you're drying it out like beef jerky and then even beef jerky it's got a shelf life you make it last as long as it can before bacteria takes it over but it's a it's tissue so that was

you know they that's why they would dry it you know they would dry meat so they can carry it with them on the road but they didn't plan on it staying forever you know but it does it stays pretty long but that's slim jims they add a bunch of stuff to those processed ones. I had some turkey jerky from somewhere. I thought it was whack, but it was pretty good. Some turkey jerky. I'm not a fan of turkey. It's a weird choice for food.

It's like chicken tastes better. Well, for black people, turkey anything feels like you just cleanse yourself. Because you eat something good? You do anything. turkey anything feels like you just cleanse yourself because you like eat something good when a black person ordered their first turkey burger your first turkey burger you like oh i didn't even know this part of life existed son then you have people competing who makes the best turkey burger a good turkey burger can change your life it could get me on the road of being a vegetarian well you know what that's the path I took. I started first. I stopped red meat.

And then I went to actually turkey burgers, turkey pastrami, turkey chopped meat for my spaghetti. You know what I mean? And maybe chicken burgers. And then one day I was eating. Like, when I was younger, I could knock out about 30 chicken wings. You know what I mean? I mean, anybody can do that, right? Man, you can't keep pointing at me like that

anybody can knock out 30 30 chicken wings right i can knock out 30 chicken wings 100 all right so on that so on the on the uh about the 29th chicken wing my teeth hit hit the bone and my mind said, dead bird. Really? You in New York City with all these pigeons flying around, and here you are supposed to be an intelligent human being, you're eating on a dead bird. And I was like, that sounds pretty stupid to me.

And I never ate it again. That's interesting. It's funny that pigeons were actually brought here for food. That's what's even ironic about it. Listen, when Mama's Fried chicken, Harlem fried chicken, next door fried chicken, Brooklyn fried chicken. Remember we had the big chicken thing in New York? It was crowns fried chicken. Double crowns fried chicken.

All of Queens fried chicken. And you had to get the hot wings. Because the hot wings, they had to make them right on the spot. The other drink would be in the window for a long time. No matter what you got, all of a sudden, pizzen population, I pay attention to this type of shit, pizzen population in New York City

dropped down. We was doing the movie Ghost Dog. We had to get pizzens from Jersey. I remember Ghost Dog? Yo, the pigeon population dropped down, bro. And I was like, yo, dead bird. So I never ate chicken again after that. But pigeons are edible.

They're good. It's called squab. That's what pigeon is. That's the famous British name, right? Yeah, it's pigeon. On some menus, they just call it pigeon. I just want to call it chicken. Anything outside chicken, I feel thinking, like, you'd be calling anything but chicken.

Do you know that some birds are actually red meat? Like sandhill crane. You ever see the sand? They call it ribeye in the sky. It's crazy. You said this. They eat it? No, it's like a red meat.

The breast is a red meat. It looks like a steak. From a crane? From a crane. Is that dead or not? It's like a bird that flies in the sky. Giant-ass fucking white bird flies in the sky. So this is on a menu?

Yeah, you could get it on some menus in Texas I believe But it's a wild game animal I would try That's what it looks like Look at it It looks like steak I know It looks like steak

That's sous vide my friend That's your style Sous vide Sous vide sandhill crane You don't know nothing about that You don't know nothing about no sous vide It's something That's what it looks like

That's the animal The crane Actually Is a good example Of relationships A crane Will fly Across

The country Or the world Whatever Go to the mating place Where the other homies at Right Meet somebody Fly home

And when of age Fly back To marry that dude and stay married for the whole life, kid. Wow. Unless somebody shoot him down and cook him. Really? You know what I mean?

They stay together. They don't try to reproduce with nobody else. Nah, man. That's crazy. They go back and find each other. They go back. Oh, but they don't look like they have a good life either, son. Who?

A crane. You ain't never seen a happy-looking crane. Son, your cranes look like I was forced. Your cranes look like I was forced into this crane shit. You ain't never seen a crane like go. Like a puppy. Well, the one on Kung Fu Panda looked kind of happy. Yeah, but cranes look like they looking to wait, be with somebody for that long. They want to get shot.

Oh, man. They just want to be delicious. So you said the heart of that thing is red meat? No the breast That's what those images are That's all Sandhill Crane breasts Their breast is like a beef That on the right too

It looks like a ribeye steak It's the grill marks George Foreman grill style Grill marks You put grill marks on tofu grill grill marks like george foreman grill and that's the heart there too right yeah i know so that's the two breasts they sell tofu with grill don't tell me that grill tofu that's hilarious i don't like i'm one of the people i don't care

even though i go to vegan restaurants, they be like, vegan fish. Don't call it vegan fish, homie. It's not fish. It's just food. If you want to say flavored, like barbecue flavored chips or something like that, you can say flavored, artificially flavored fish. But then you know the mind is not going to respond like that. They got to do something to the mind that makes it still enticing. You know what I'm saying?

God said, yo, that's vegan fur. Ain't no such thing as vegan fur. But it's not such thing as vegan fur. But if you a vegan motherfucker, you're going to buy that

because you heard the word vegan fur. How about vegan leather? A real... Feather. It would work. Like that, feather? It would work. How about that? Feather. Feather. Like fleather. Feather It would work Like that feather It would work

How about that Feather Feather Like fleather Feather Feather Instead of fur Yo you do know that's gonna sell right

How about that ver Like that's a ver jacket Right you remember pleather Ver is good Yeah pleather Plastic leather Yeah Yo I'm telling you

That shit'll blow up Put the V on anything Put the V on it And they gonna buy it They'll buy it Vic Yeah Instead of chicken You put the V You put the V in there Vig Like going to buy it. They'll buy it. Vic. Instead of chicken,

you put the V in there. Vig. Like, how you do that makes it Western, right? You can tell the chicks, you want this Vic? You want this Vic in there?

You got some Vic in there. You want this Vic? You want this Vic. V on anything. Put the V in it. Take the word vegan and make something else out of it. Don't tell me

that you're giving me a vegan steak. It ain't a steak, homie. Steak is a particular part of the animal. That's why we call it a steak. The ham is a particular

part of the animal. That's why it's called the ham. But I don't think they care about you. I don't think they care about you a professional at being a vegan.

I don't think they care about you as much as the dumb vegan. He said, I'm a professional. I'm an educated vegan. They want to drop people in. They want they care about you as much as the dumb vegan. He said, I'm a professional. I'm an educated vegan. They want to drop people in. They want the dumb motherfucker.

They want somebody fresh off of a hamburger. Right. You know what I mean? They don't want you. You got years. Get them with that impossible burger. Exactly, son.

Yeah. The process. You like the impossible burger? I've never had it, but the good, if you were trying to trick someone into being a vegan, that would be the way to do it.

You give them that And go look You could just start with this You know It tastes a lot like a burger You miss burgers Just go to this When you need a burger Have you ever had one?

No I had one The problem is It's a lot of oils It's like It's very processed I think if you're gonna eat vegan You should eat whole foods

Like real foods But they don't want you Joe They want a motherfucker like me They don't want you He's. They want a motherfucker like me. They don't want you. See, now he's doing it to himself. No, it's the truth. You read the back of the shit. He's doing it to himself.

No, no, no. Let me do it to myself. Let me do it to myself. That's exactly what you're doing to yourself. Exactly. But I want to do it to myself. Let me do it. You're just defensive, man.

You're just defensive. Let me do it. I was like, you're like me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I am not going to think about saturated fats. I'm not going to think about that shit. You know all that. Like, y'all read that shit.

Yeah. But for you to tell a motherfucker, this burger is impossible because there's no meat in it, and it's close to meat. Right. It's like even close. And I've had that burger. And I know it's probably got all the fats that you're talking about. But for a person that eats meat, and you'll be like this you keep telling yourself hold on nah that shit tastes like me you know what someone told me it's like a cafeteria high school cafeteria burger and guess

what and you know what it was like joe joe guess what that was disgusting to you i wanted that burger so bad i miss high school cafeteria that's what it squirt that ketchup in there that's what you said not bad it does it does. That's so funny you said. Close back that bun. That's funny you said that. Not bad. It does. It does. Now that I think about it, it is like a cafeteria joint. Well, cafeteria burgers weren't 100% meat, right?

They had some fillers. They had some fillers. Yeah. Even the early McDonald's burgers make soy. Right. They're just trying to fill you up. They're trying to save money and fill you up. But it was good.

But another thing what it did For me When I ate the burger It made me feel good Eating a burger that I thought Was all plant based Mentally I was like Oh shit Damn I could fuck with them Fruit and vegetable

Them fruit and vegetable motherfuckers right But I don't want to go hard body But I don't want to go in I go to Riz's house You know what I'm saying His wife can pull out one of them Motherucking Impossible Burgers or Beyond Burgers. Yeah, the Beyond or the Beyond. What's better?

Above and Beyond. What's better, the Impossible or the Beyond? They're both brands. If you don't want to eat meat. They're both brands. But is it the same thing? It's the same concept, but it's different types. But what's more delicious?

Is there one more delicious? You got to ask different people. Well, let me say, let me speak on it. The Impossible Burger is only available in restaurants, right? So you can't really get it in your crib. But the Beyond Burger, you actually speak on it. The Impossible Burger is only available in restaurants, right? So you can't really get it in your crib. But the Beyond Burger, you actually could get it. Because the Beyond Burger, they have products. They got a line of shit.

You go to Gelson's, you can get Beyond Sausage, you get Beyond whatever. What do you think about lab-created meats? They're on the verge, and they've already created some. They're on the verge of being able to mass-produce to mass produce full meat that has never been in an animal. Well, that's weird. That's the matrix, baby. What is a meat that's never been in an animal? Basically, they've taken all the building blocks for meat, and they've somehow or another...

Let's Google how they do it before I butcher the actual explanation. I'm sitting here going to make up. But that's the Matrix. Remember in the Matrix movie, he was like, yo. Oh, he's eating a steak? He's like, I just want to be an important person. But it wasn't. He was like, it's not a real steak.

It's just. Right, but this is a real steak. This has all the nutrition of a real steak. But it's not a real steak. Right, but it is actual flesh. It just was never connected to a living organism. You mean on paper? No, it is actual flesh it just was never connected to a living organism on paper like no it's not no it's actual flesh like it has the essential amino acid profile of steak but it has

nothing to do with an actual organism like it's never been alive it's not like you killed it to make it there's some process by which they are able to create this that i don't understand and we're trying to figure out what it is. Man, if you can understand that process to me. Yeah. But they... I'm not eating it. I'm not eating it.

You got a good point. You got a good point because we don't know what the fuck is going to happen to people. But KFC, Joe, all that shit is, man, they're doing that shit already.

Well, think about it this way. I mean, they're not at that level, but they're doing it already. Not really. This is a different thing. This is a different thing. And what this is is meat without death. And I don't know if it's real.

Well, look, the good thing about it. I'm sorry. I know it's real in the sense that they have done it. Right. But I don't know if they can mass produce it. I don't know if it's viable. And I don't know where they get it. I don't understand how the process starts.

I'm so motherfucking confused. But if you could have it with no ethical, moral, or health consideration, if they figure out how to do it, because meat essentially is a bunch of molecules, it's a bunch of particles, it's a bunch of things put together. As people get more and more intelligent

and they have more and more control over their environment, they're going to get to a point where they can recreate all life. Right. And meat is a step in that direction. But the thing is, how much can you charge for it? Well, I don't know. But it's like cell phones.

Cell phones used to be that Michael Douglas thing on the fucking beach. That's what I'm saying. Big old brick. It was probably a lot of money. I had one. Now everybody's got a goddamn phone. Everybody's. Yeah, but how much would they pay?

But a shitty phone now, a $200 phone now, it was a goddamn world changer 13 years ago. You'd freak people the fuck out if you had the cheapest mass-produced Android phone. You brought it to the past. You showed people. They'd freak the fuck out. Yeah. I think that's the same with everything. And there's the technology to create viable options for people who are healthier when they eat meat but don't want to be a part of animal agriculture and slaughter.

But they said that, like, maybe this was about three months ago, and it was big about how red meat does not digest well. No, no. They was reversing it. They was basically saying after all these years, well, scientists have figured out that it's not bad for you. That was a— They go both ways. Well, here's the thing. Let's not bad for you. That was a... They go both... Well, here's the thing. Let me get one minute here.

Please do. Go ahead. Look, it goes both ways, right? First, they'll say it's good for you. Then they say it's bad for you. And then you got an individual saying, you know what? It's good for me. It's bad for her, right?

But I will say that if there's a way to create something that will save other lives, yeah, create it. Yeah. Right? That's the evolution of man. Man should be able to say, yo, you know what? We had to kill all these animals to get a coat. Now we don't have to do that. We have a formula to make a coat that's going to keep you just as warm, keep you just as

serve the purpose and needs, and nothing has to die for it, right? You got to re-educate people then. Well, you could do that. It's the same way with human work, right? You know, not to go back to historical, right? But machines come and replace the mandatoryness of human physical labor in certain industries, right? Okay, that's better, right?

So now you don't have to subjugate somebody to do that. It's more cost effective, right? It's more cost effective. It's more humane in all reality, right? So we support that. But the Catch-22 that we've got to be conscious of as, you know, in your own lifetime, right? If somebody's telling me, like, look, you could do this, and I'm still going to have my, let's say, 70 years on the planet, then yeah, do it. But if I'm doing it, and you want to turn my 70 years to 50 years, I don't want to make that bet.

You know what I mean? I understand what you're saying. And I think that's what we watch out for with anything, even with the vegan diet or the pelotonian diet, all these different things. If it's going to enhance your life, that's the biggest equity you got is your time and your life, then lean towards it. But if there's a chance it's going toully Take away your life Bully Bully Bad hustle Bully And you was bullying me Oh this way Do you know what he just did

No no no But you know what he did do Donnell No no no I already know Like I'm saying Everything you just said I agree with

I agree with you But you You talked to me like You already heard this A million times Here he go Fuck these I'm sick of these niggas

I'm trying to save this nigga's life. You don't want me to save his life. He called it palatonia. Yo, son, no. No, you was right. You was right. That's the wrong shit. It's paleolithic, but we were talking about Joey Diaz calling.

What did he call you? Joey Diaz called me Rondell Darlings. He said, this is my dude. This is a great guy. I love this guy. We fucking hanging around. He got a special coming out. He said, this is my dude. He's a great guy. I love this guy. We fucking hanging around. He got a special coming out. He said, give it up for my homeboy.

He said, give it up for Rondell Darlings. He switched every letter of my name. Joey does that with everybody. Nor for 20 years. Yeah, yo, I'm letting you know he got my sister pregnant, but he's here right now. And then he hit that shit. I was like, thank you. You gave me a segue to my next

fucking joke but i knew it was out of disrespect it was never i know what you're saying though about diets and here's the thing about diets is everybody's different everybody's body's different people were some people respond better to a vegan diet than others some people respond better to a carnivore diet than others everybody's got a different make like we're talking earlier about people being allergic to peanuts right people have to make adjustments there's some people that are allergic to certain green vegetables you know there's some people have weird reactions to kale and all kinds of other things with oxalates in them spinach i hate motherfuckers allergic to healthy shit like one of my friends told me one time joe said, yo, I'm allergic to pretty much

all salads. I'm like, that's the first segue into being healthy is ordering a motherfucker salad. He said, basically he was trying

to say he was allergic to, like basically he was saying I'm allergic to vegetables. That's crazy. Some people are though. Some girls are allergic to cum.

Did you know that? How did I know that? Some girls are allergic to jizz. They're allergic to their man's cum. Did you know that? How did I know that? Some girls are allergic to jizz. They're allergic to their man's cum. Inside their vagina? All over the place. No matter where it goes.

You can carve your name on their belly. And if they start breaking out or something, they start what? They get red. It fucking sucks. She told me that she don't like water. What? I'm serious. Water?

I can only drink 7-Up. That's it. 7-Up That's it 7-Up She said it like I don't like water I don't like water She don't drink water Yeah

I'm like that's not gonna But did she not like it Because it makes her feel bad Or did she not like it Because she prefers flavor You know what That's a good point Because some people

Like water Some people like Some people like this I don't like water Some people like I don't like water Why Because it tastes like water Some people like I don't like like this. Some people like this. I don't like water. Some people are like, I don't like water. Why? Because it tastes like water.

Some people are like, I don't like water because it don't taste like sugar or anything is in it. Let me tell you something, man. I do hot yoga. I do it a couple days a week. I do 90-minute classes, and water is delicious. I agree with you. When you are sweating, and it's 105 degrees in that room, you're holding these poses, and sweat is dripping off your forehead, and you got a 64-ounce jug filled with ice and water.

You want that water. It could be a Diet Coke or a fucking glass of milk. I wouldn't touch those things. I'd go right for that water when I'm dying. I'm from an era, Joe. I'm from an era. I remember it going from only time you got water was at a water fountain, water faucet, water hose. Yeah, nobody had bottled water.

When they started, my mother thought it was the devil. When they started charging motherfuckers for water. That was a good one. Yeah, listen. When they started charging people for water, my mother was like, no. Ain't no, I could go right home and get water and i saw it go from charging like at mcdonald's like they'd be like like extra for water i saw it i saw it change from that to bottling and having a tag saying 99 cents for a bottle of water yeah but

you're paying for the bottle though not the not the water. But whatever it is. It's such a stupid. But whatever it is. We've got to stop having bottle water in the studio. So many people have complained, and they're all right. Everyone's right. I listen to the complaint. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got other things to think about. But do I? What can we figure out?

What can we do about that? After we're done producing Donnell's podcast, can we figure out a bottle of water? This is just to bring the conundrum into a good, full place. Conundrum. I fell back over there. Washing everybody's cup every time is going to waste more water potentially than this. He's up to my waist in the water. You ain't even working for the truck.

I'm just asking. This guy works for Dick Cheney. What would you put that in? How many containers do I need to have for cups and stuff? I'm thinking like a glass bottle. For every person that comes in? Is that bad? Big budget, brother.

I mean, we clean them. Clean them after every show. We have a giant jug. We fill up a glass bottle. So is that important to people? What about if people know you're recycling? Does that make a difference? Makes me feel like a better person.

If they know you're recycling? No. What makes me feel like a better person is if they think I'm a better person. I'm like, tricking again. Some people are just never going to give a fuck about plastic plastic i'm one of them motherfuckers let me punch i'm just telling the truth bro like you can do you can bury shit you can show me the animals the turtles whatever i'm just not gonna give a fuck about plastic i want to go back to the hot yoga i love it i did it today 90 minutes reason why i want to go back to the hot yoga. I love it. I did it today. 90 minutes.

The reason why I want to go back to that because the idea of how water tastes. This goes back to, let me look this way. Who's this guy here? Oh, that's Brody Stevens. What's up, bro? He killed himself. Okay.

Great dude. I'm going to say that's the only thing we know him by. Everybody loves him. One of we doing by but everybody loves him one of the rare dudes that everybody loves right rare dude that everybody loves everybody loves

and the only reason I said that I don't know I know you said you was gonna do comedy but I didn't know if he was gonna crack a joke so I just wanna let you know

if you crack the joke that dude killed himself yeah I'm not disrespecting my love deal. No, no, no. That's beautiful. Because I don't know how hard you go.

I don't know how hard you go. So I was like this. Before you just start beating it up. Uh-huh. Yep. No, have some information. I was going back to the idea of water tasting good, right?

And as well as any type of food and drink, right? All that tastes better after hard work yes so after you doing your hot yoga and you sweaty and you put that hard work in now you understand you appreciate the water yes so what i teach my children right is hard work when adam when when the most high told adam he said man shall work to the sweat of his brow. Now, we may have a job that don't make us sweat, you know what I mean?

But if you ain't working out or doing something physical to make your body physically yearn the reward of working out, which is the nutrients that you have to replenish after you have burned them out, you know what I mean? Then you're not going to ever taste water. You ain't going to be able to bite into a piece of celery and be like, what the hell?

And feel it. Let me tell you something. A piece of fruit. Yo, let me tell you something. I know you don't think I respect celery. I know you don't think I respect celery. I know you don't think I respect celery. No, but yo, I'm telling you, sir.

What you just said, I know that's the only thing that you're going to get that burst. It is nothing like you get some celery that got that motherfucking pop with no string or nothing attached to it. Just a clear bite. So I know you, and I know you looked at me again, but the water that's inside celery, I know you don't think I respect it. I respect that. Do you like celery with peanut butter? I like celery with anything. Celery with peanut butter. I could just eat it.

I could just eat celery. I like celery with peanut butter, like celery with anything like i could literally like i could just eat it like i could just eat celery i like celery peanut butter like celery with hummus you don't know how good a peach tastes but you gotta get the right celery if you lift weights and then you eat a peach a juicy cold peach you bite into that fucking thing and it's not a sexual reference but you said it though peach fruit you said it you said you gotta do something in your life to appreciate it. Right. Some people, there's drinking. Right.

Like you. I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. Like you? Right now? Okay. Now, I'm not saying right now.

I'm not going to do this with you. I'm not doing this. We're both doing it. We're going to keep it positive. You talk about being nice earlier. This is positive. Be nice. We're both drinking.

I'm drinking too. Something has to, like, you've been drinking. Like, the best time you appreciate water is at night after heavy drinking. Like, your palate's been in the desert of alcohol. You had that feeling where you had some drinks one night, the next day you drink some ice cold water, and you're like, God damn, who the fuck invented this? Simple. It's simple. It's the same thing, right? You need it. Your body needs it. It's the same thing. Yeah, you drink some ice cold water, and you're like, God damn, who the fuck invented this? It's simple.

It's simple. It's the same thing, right? You need it. Your body needs it. It's the same thing. Yeah, you need it. But your body was like- Asking for it.

Asking for it. You're right. Right. But when you're drunk and you're drinking that water, you feel like an asshole. You're like, God, what the fuck did I do to my body? I'm so dehydrated. But even drinking, and you guys probably going- Only a person can appreciate drinking.

Only a person can appreciate water When they drink it Is a professional drinker Cause in their mind They be like this I can do this With one glass of water Yeah The average motherfucker

That's drinking They ain't giving a fuck About that ratio A buddy of mine drank With Jean-Claude Van Damme Back in the day Professional Jean-Claude Van Damme

Was a pro He said he would have a drink And he brought a gallon Of water with him Exactly A gallon So he would have a drink, and he brought a gallon of water with him. Exactly. A gallon. So he would have a drink, and then- Bam.

Big fucking jug of water. That's the only way he rolled. Just kept running to the bathroom, taking a piss, and coming back. Come on back. When he drank, he drank with a gallon of water and whatever the fuck he was throwing down. That's a professional. Now, not to talk about- Now, I'm actually probably in the top 10 master drinkers.

Wow. Now, if you ever really want to get a crazy night of drinking and see if you can hang, hang. Don't just put his glass down and adjust his headphones. No, I'm just saying, I don't even want to do this. I don't really want to do this. I'm definitely, but, you know, so that's a challenge to anybody who ever catch me on the right day want to challenge me. But my brother DeVar says something that's really cool about drinking and smoking and everything, right? Because at one point, you know, I'm hip-hop and I'm abusing it, right?

I'm just, you know, just whatever, yo. Bong, bong, bong, bong, bong. And he says, listen, God. He said, listen, man. Y'all getting high. Y'all drinking for nothing. No celebration? Yeah.

He said, you drink after you complete something, and then you celebrate. Nigga! Yo, did I say no, son? You said it. No celebration, son. We can't just do this on a Wednesday, nigga. We can't just do this on a Wednesday. That's right, son.

And he said that. And I took that into consideration. And I strive to give myself a reason. Yes. You know what I mean? A reason to celebrate. Yeah, a reason to celebrate. That's a beautiful philosophy for life. Give yourself a reason to celebrate.

Yeah, you're right. Yo, you too early. Yes. You too early. Yo, you too early. What are you celebrating? Can we celebrate. Yo, you're too early. What are you celebrating? Yes. Can we celebrate this?

So many people that are a fan of yours spill over to fans of mine. And I get so many tweets saying, when are you going to go on the Joe Rogan show? Let's celebrate that. And that's what we're celebrating today. I mean, I've been hearing about you, reading about you, listening to you with my friends and my peers for some years now. You know what I mean? This is your first time on the show? My first time. And I'm going to come back again.

That's an honor. Because to me, I've been listening to your music forever. And so I appreciate you guys tremendously. I respect. So for you to be here. Spit 16, though, son. I can't spit. Come on, son.

But I will tell you that your collaboration with Rage Against the Machine, Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing to Fuck With is the greatest collaboration in all of rap rock. Look, second place may be Run DMC and Aerosmith, but to me, my generation, Rage Against the Machine and Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing to Fuck With is the ultimate workout. Can I have a Wu-Tang? Can I have one Wu-Tang question? That fucking song, man. If you're doing deadlifts in that song, Wu-Tang, Tiger style.

You hear Tom Morello's guitar. You're like, rawr. You're ready to lift. I got one Wu-Tang question. Was Wu-Tang designed? Hold on. Sorry. I like the way you start the question.

I'm glad you did me, nigga. You did like this. And you syllable that. Yes, I did. Was. Yo, look. Okay, go. Sorry. Sorry. I you did me, you did like this. And you syllable, you syllable that. Yes, I did. Was. Yo, look, listen.

Okay, okay, go on, sorry, sorry, how the fuck was you? Go ahead. Okay,

let me say, was Wu-Tang, the vision and the design of Wu-Tang, was it designed to fall apart? And when I say fall apart, was it designed

where a group of individuals that were getting that equal due respect needed a bigger platform so everybody see me one time together you were bigger were you designed to elevate I'm saying is you were also talented, but together you were bigger. Were you designed to elevate the profile of all the members? And the reason why I say this, years ago, years ago, years ago, years ago, I had a sketch group years ago. Years ago, I had a sketch group. It was 12 motherfuckers. Everybody had different personalities.

Everybody was dope. Everybody could be a star. They're different, right, whatever. But nobody had the plan to get the people to see that everybody is nice. Right. I would say this, right? Wu-Tang was designed to come together for a common cause, right? And that cause, of course, being to express our art, to rise ourselves out of poverty

and to feed our families. So that was a foundation. But it's not designed to fall apart. In fact, Wu-Tang, that's why on our second album, it's called Wu-Tang Forever. Right. Meaning no matter what we do, no matter if I go make movies or Method Man make movies or you go write books. You come back together.

Yeah, we always got to come back together because Wu-Tang is forever. But hold on, let me finish the last thing. But now to put us all on the same, like to expose it all to the world through one outlet, yes. It had to be that. It had to be that. Yeah, it had to be that. It had to be that. And the reason why I said that is because when I had my sketch group, I had my sketch group years ago.

It was called Secret Society when I was doing it. I remember that. I had this manager, and she came. This was before the Dave Chappelle show. It was this thing. I was like, I'm going to do these jokes on my playbook. I've been watching you, bro. Look, and then I said, one of the managers I was working with, she was like, the name of our group was Secret Society.

She said, I had Mike Epps, I had Mark Thiel, I had Red Grant, I had some bad motherfuckers. And she said, Donnell, I think Secret Society is falling apart. I said, nigga, it was supposed to fall apart. It was supposed to fall apart. But would it fall? Does it land somewhere you could grow something else? Like, I knew it was only three people that were going to fall apart. But when it falls, does it land somewhere you can grow something else? Like, I knew it was only three people that were going to be stars,

but it was four other people that were going to be writers. Right, right. It was two other, another motherfucker that was going to be, it was different shit, but we needed that.

Okay, I got you there. You know what I'm saying? So fall apart, that word, when you said fall apart. I didn't mean it in a negative way. I meant like. You meant more like spread his wings.

Spread his wings. Yeah. And like, even though, like when I said that, I mean it like, negative way. I meant like... You meant more like spread his wings. Spread his wings. Yeah. And like, even though, like when I said that, I mean it like, even though like, everybody,

for the most part, everybody wanted to be a superstar. Everybody had the chops. Everybody wasn't a superstar. Right. And it's proven to this day. Some people's like this. Guess what?

This motherfucker wrote on eight different shows. We won. Right. This dude is touring in Europe. We won. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? It was like, when I say fall apart it was like it was gonna go there and then it was just gonna be like

it fall like this yo yo it was good we all got it now let me know that they're strong enough could they that they could exist independently in different areas but always come back together if they want to if they want that's why ourselves, we was like Wu-Tang forms like Voltron. So you watch Voltron, each of the lions can fuck some shit up, but when you need the blazing sword, everybody got to come together

for Voltron. So we took that philosophy and we knew that within all of our crew that any one of us, first of all, Wu-Tang is a bunch of alphas. It wasn't like, it wasn't no sucker dude. Nobody in Wu-Tang is a bunch of alphas it wasn't like

it wasn't no sucker dude nobody in Wu-Tang got jeans that fit but you you the only one that got the jeans that's the size of you son I'm saying

niggas is 32 38 son all day son stupid so I got jeans that fit I'm just saying but it's true he's right it's true though sir if I don't sit be like It's stupid. So I got jeans that fit. I'm just saying.

But it's true. He's right. It's true though, sir. If I don't zip it, be like, come on, sir. You already know. You know Ghost.

That nigga weighs 32. He's like 42. He's all day. And double up on his belt. The 90s baggy, right? Yes. Yeah, that's my nigga. Yo, we know,

back in those days, man, you may have on three pair of pants. Right. Yeah. In the summer. Yeah. You know what I mean? But the main thing is that to be able to, you may have on three pair of pants. Right. Yeah. In the summer. Yeah. You know what I mean? But the main thing is that to be able to, you know what I mean, to have the alpha energy, right?

And then come to us and to an industry that was lacking that alpha energy. I know. I was in New York. That's how we felt about it. I was in New York. You had mystical philosophy behind it too Of course But that was the thing about it

Wu-Tang was inexorably connected to Kung Fu That's the Wu Yes The ancient Chinese Kung Fu philosophy Was a part of the music There was a thing about you guys That you were spiritual There was an intelligence

And then of course you had ODB Who was like a, there was an intelligence and then, of course, you had ODB who was off the rails which was beautiful about it is that you, you guys all existed together. You know what I'm saying? And even though you had this

sort of spiritual kung fu kind of energy to it, you also had people just off the rails partying. But they had New York on fire too.

Yo, they had New York on fire. Niggas used to have fucking Wu-Tang sightings and there wasn't even no Wu-Person in there. They just be like, who's that? That was Wu-Wu. Like, oh shit, I heard Wu-Wu was up there. Like, I don't know if there's ever been a group that you could just mention that anybody

from Wu-Tang was there. It was a whole bunch of not Wu-Tang motherfuckers getting a lot of pussy. Yeah. Just because. And still do. It's to this day, son. It's to this day. And there was a guy.

Yo, there was. It's the truth, Joe. It's the truth, son. There's a guy that went on tour. I'm expecting Asian. Like, oh, shit, nigga. Suck my dick. Wu all day.

And there's a guy who went on tour. He's stupid. Am I telling the truth, son? Yo. There's a guy who went on tour. Yo Have I told you the truth, sir? Yo There's a guy Who went on tour Yo, check it out

A guy went on tour As the fake Capadonna Oh my God He didn't get caught Until he got about 70 grand or something like that Where was that? In Baltimore?

Atlanta He just did a tour He just went out Right Because you didn't Because so many of us You might not know How a motherfucker look

You ain't gonna You know what I'm saying You might never Yo You not gonna know When they start getting out. Because so many of us, you might not know how a motherfucker look. You ain't going to know. You might never. Yo, you not going to know. When they start getting in. And then you think about it. This is how Woo is so dope. You think about it.

Woo got kids. Woo got kids. And that is like, we at the point now, I'm old school. Woo kids starting to have kids. So it's baby Woos. Oh my God. It's everywhere. The most beautiful thing. But some people took advantage of it it's everywhere the most beautiful thing took advantage of it

well the most beautiful thing though you know that's the beauty of art creativity and and being you know the spiritual aspect the the alpha aspect all these aspects multiplied us to be a unique version of the american dream and when you look at, you know, we did the documentary of Mikes and Men on Showtime, and you can see that it's more like, it's like the lotus leaf grows out of mud, right? But it's a symbol of Buddhism, which is all this peace and beauty,

but it grows out of mud. So we're like that which grew out of the mud. And then when you go and watch our Hulu series, The American Saga, right, you get to see, like, this group of men weren't always on the same page, wasn't always friends with each other. And I think the biggest thing that I learned by putting the TV show on Hulu is that there's other kids across America in a similar situation yes

right so so there's a scene where it's the soundtrack it's the soundtrack to life right but not just that I'm talking about like

there's other kids that are hearing this that they can resonate this makes sense or live in it right so so to get my first drum machine

I had to you know get it by illegal means right and think about how many but think about So to get my first drum machine, I had to, you know, get it by illegal means, right? And think about how many... You stole it or you hired somebody? But think about how many people, think about how many people, you know, need something to do something but don't have the means to get it.

And some may cross the line. You know, at the end of the day, the way I really got my equipment, right? You know, I definitely tried to do any way to get it, but I didn't get it by stealing it, right? I had the hustle. But you wanted it, though. You didn't just want to get it for, say, I got it. You wanted it because you wanted to do something with it. I wanted to use it.

Right, exactly. That's the difference. I sold apples, oranges, newspapers, socks. I'm one of those socks guys. If you've been to New York back in the days. Socks. Nipsey Hussle was a socks motherfucker. Yeah, you see dudes Walking around selling socks

He was a sock No seriously You buy him That's the way he said it Yeah he was I wanted to say He was a sock nigga I didn't say that

Riz was a sock nigga I love him Yo Socks Yo whatever Cause you buy them down On 25th street You get maybe

You can get a dozen For 30 bucks right And then you can sell them At 10 dollars a pack So can get a dozen for $30, right? And then you can sell them at $10 a pack. So you get a dozen packs for $30 with six in a pack. You go uptown, right, and you sell them for $10 just for the whole pack of socks. But you gotta find a neighborhood that

needs socks. You just can't go in a neighborhood that got a lot of socks. But anybody... You can't sell your... You can't go into a sock-infested neighborhood with socks. You can't, sir. You can't go to a sock-infested neighborhood. A sock-infested neighborhood. You can't do it, sir. You can't do it, sir. A sock-infested neighborhood.

But the opposite is this. He's stupid, yo. Usually uptown, right? Uptown, usually people go uptown to buy their... Clothes, high-end clothes. No, no, no, no, no. You go uptown To buy their Clothes High end clothes No no no You go uptown to get No you get

You get drugs from uptown Oh drugs Like although I could get A hundred dollars worth of drugs uptown Bring it back downtown Sell it for two hundred dollars Yeah it's just saying like In a whole uptown

They had the best rates On any drug you ever needed Right But then So you could buy drugs Yeah Like you could buy drugs. Yeah, like you can buy an ounce uptown,

right, and sell it downtown or even take it back to Staten Island, you're going to triple your money. Triple. Easy.

Easy. So Staten Island's three. You can easily triple your money. Like the village is two. Yeah, like that. If you go out of state, you may five times it.

And that's where all the New York motherfuckers coming down to D.C. and Virginia. Exactly. But socks, you buy downtown. And take it uptown. Because the drug dealers are fly. They got to have clean socks.

They got to have clean socks all day. So now they're buying the socks for $10 that you paid $5 for. That was my hustle. Do you remember in New York when they had movies? Remember they had VHS tapes where people would sit in the back of the movie theater

and film the movie and make a VHS? They'd set up a recorder. That was the worst. The worst bootlegging shit ever. The sound was so terrible. But then that was the same time. That's when VCR just came in.

So it didn't matter the quality you just had to have something to put in the fucking new technology yeah you know what you know what uh uh art form or whatever um supports new technology always deal with porno whenever when your son it's true no no no what i'm saying is whenever there's a new weather, it's from beta to VHS to CD, it's porno that gets people to explore the new technology. They paved the way. They paved the way. I didn't know that.

Yeah, because there's so many people that are jerking off. It's an unsatisfiable quantity. You always can count on them. People are always going to jerk off to porn. So how do you get it to them quicker? How do you get it to them where you can make some money? It went from rewinding to CD to a leak to

now all you need is tag words to get to the point where you need quick. The way we think about people stealing music or people stealing comedy, they think about stealing porn. So if you go to certain sites where it's just free and you just watch porn, apparently the people that make it,

they don't get a piece of that. So someone's making a ton of money and the other people are stealing. So you're saying if we make money... I don't know though. You can't negotiate too much if your pussy's wide open. This is like...

I'm just saying, so it's like, I know like this is how I want to do it. Yo, you can't... Like you need to get somebody in between you making your argument. I see what you're saying, but I mean, isn't it, it's a commodity. It's a thing.

Just like a joke. Wait, porn's a commodity? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a way. I mean, if you create something. If it's legal, if you legal, if it's legal rather, and you hire a cameraman, you pay an actor, you pay an actress, you let them fuck, you give them a certain amount, you film it, and then that's yours and then someone takes that and then they put it up on their website and then you could

watch it for free and they sell advertising space and they make money off something they didn't buy they didn't buy it at all that's infringing yeah it's it's no different than if they downloaded a wu-tang album and then they started selling it. They put it on a website and then put ads connected to that Wu-Tang album. So then that means they need to get better lawyers

and negotiate better stories and better contracts. What happened to you guys with that one album that drug pharmacy dude, Martin, what's his name? Mark Shkreli.

Shkreli. He actually got a hold of one of your albums that's an unreleased Wu-Tang album. I heard it was two of them. The street said it was two. What's the reality? Well, we have the man.

That was smart. The reality of it is that it's now sitting in a temperature-controlled room in the Department of Justice. Really? Yeah. So it's his. He owns it still? Well, he's incarcerated right now. Right, right, right.

And so I think a lot of his assets has been seized by the government and included in that album. So those songs have never been released? Nah. Who the fuck figures out a way to make music into art? Look at that fucking thing.

Yeah. But is that beautiful or what? That guy's got to be broke. Is there a way I could buy that off of him? For real. How dope would that look right here? That guy's got to be broke. Is there a way I could buy that off of him? For real. How dope would that look right here? How dope would that look? It'd be beautiful right here.

But I would release that online or release it with you or let you release it. I'd buy it. You'd make it for free though. I don't give a fuck. Whatever you want. But that, sitting there makes no sense to me. And that box looks dope and I know that guy's in jail. You figure out a way to make music art.

Holler at your boy. And you know what? That's the crazy. Wouldn't that be dope right here, though? It would. I'll tell you one thing. I did have a conversation with the gentleman, right? With Martin?

Yeah, I said, listen, yo. Because he had a lot of bad things going on for him. I said, yo, if I was you, I would take this chance to do philanthropy, and I would give this away to the public if I was him. Yeah, based on how much he had talking from the public. Yeah, but he was the next. Like we talked about earlier, he wasn't a nice person. He didn't want to give the impression that he was a nice person.

He wanted to be, I don't give a fuck. And what you're saying was too he was having too much fun son right it was just too much like whatever bitch fuck y'all i got this but you know what i don't think he understood consequences i think he was doing that no of course he didn't he was he thought look he's a kid wasn't he born into money no where'd he make his money no he made his money in the pharmaceutical industry he was he was immigrant parents who was like janitors but he wasn't like born to this company no so he was a part of the company he was part of company i think one thing that he had he had tenacity more than anything oh okay so but he probably never experienced a public eye like he did with this

whole pharmaceutical crisis where he's overcharging for, was it AIDS medication? No, I think he probably did, but I think that his point, he wanted to be known as that guy. He was a smart dude. He wanted to be known as that guy. He didn't mind being a supervillain. Just put it that way. Yeah, and then it was like,

he wanted to make- More of a Lex Luthor. Okay. But he didn't want to be on a low making money. He tried to be on the podcast. He did? He reached out to me. Yeah.

Oh, that would have been interesting. But I did tell him, I mean, interesting just to, you know, whatever is interesting. But I did tell him, I mean, me, I'm a type of person. I'm always going to try to say some advice in a positive form. Right. That's just my personality. I'm like, listen, bro, they're talking shit about you in the world. It don't look good for you.

Wu-Tang is good. I told him that. Wu-Tang is good I told him that Wu-Tang forever Yeah I said if I was you I'll take this opportunity to do something good How about this How about this Maybe he sells me the box

And then we release the music I'll buy the whole thing from him And then we'll release it I don't know I don't know If he's got it He wants to sell it The weird thing for me He wants to sell it The weird thing for me I don't think he If he's got it, he wants to sell it. The weird thing for me.

If a dude's got it, he wants to sell it. The weird thing for me, I don't think he's ever. He's locked up. For how long, though? He just lost his appeal. Oh. The thing. Can you sell shit while you're in jail?

If you play Monopoly. When I play Monopoly, don't you do that? Yo, I just think like this. I think like this. Do you do that to me? When you play Monopoly and you're in jail, it's your turn. this I think like this Do you do that Do you do that D? When you play Monopoly And you in jail It's your turn

Do you still be like I want a house No no It drives me crazy How many songs? Um Like 25 songs That is ridiculous

I think Me personally That needs to be released I think I don't My personal opinion Nobody In the history of music has been able to make an idea or so it has never

heard art art like right to be quite honest it might not even be no motherfucking songs in there you think he listens no you think he knows no knows? No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is the point I'm making is it's more valuable never being heard, never being cracked than released. You release it, then you set it up for people to be critical of it, kind of give their opinion. be critical of it, try to give their opinion. The opinion is there was something so dope that we could just

break it down to one. And the fucking, like, what was the thought process behind that? Well, for my point of view, right, it was just like... That's how I...

You know what I'm saying? Hold on. You got it right. You got it right. From my point of view, music was being devalued, right, by...

Through streaming services? By society, right? Through streaming services? By society, right? But how so? Through streaming, of course. Right. Illegal downloads. Illegal downloads. Right.

Let's talk a little bit of business. I won't go too deep. That'll give me two minutes of business, all right? So let's just take Napster, right? Okay. Who's the founder of this type of technology, right? And he takes millions of songs and gives them away. Now, people are getting all these songs for free.

Now, the music industry, like any other industry, has a certain quota of business it does every year, like every other industry, right? Whether it's $4 billion a year or $5 billion a year, it's an industry of a group of people, and that's their yearly quota. So if Napster comes right and and and he takes all these songs where all these people who are waiting for their publishing checks waiting for their economics to be created from music now there's no publishing check all the

numbers are now decreased because there's no physical cell of their music for us to accumulate a value to send you a check but then at the the end of the day, after he does that, he gets a billion dollars. So now you're talking what belongs to, let's say there's a thousand artists that's worth value as far as, you know, that sell records that you could say accumulate money, right? So we took the power of a thousand and put it in one man's hand, okay? So that's one of the first mistakes as an industry we make. And then the second mistake we make is that now there's services going and there's illegal downloads. And people won't pay a dollar for the record.

Right. Right? And for an album, you won't pay $10 to $12 for an album. Even let's say it was $20. You won to pay that But You'll pay Three hundred

Four hundred dollars For your headphones Two three hundred dollars For your iPod Or your phone And you're using it For music Let me ask you this

What's the best way Without your headphones Without music Your headphones is useless Right So why would you not pay The ten twenty dollars For the music?

Because they don't have to, right? Right. Because they can get it some other way. But let me ask you this. What is the best way to support artists? What's the best way to buy it? Well, the best way to buy it now- Music? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Now- Your music. Wu-Tang Clan, anybody's music. What's the best way that you get the most out of it? Well, the best way in the past was physical, but now the industry has figured out how to monetize the digital streaming. So now things are starting to rebalance.

But during this period of time, maybe within the last three, four years, it's starting to rebalance. But you look at from 2000 to 2015, there's a total unbalance. And a lot of artists had to stop making music because there's no economics Right now a group like the Wu Tang clan, right? So let's just say this is say the average verse for a woo rapper, you know, let's say you're a meth Let me get it. Let me get 16. He might be oh, yeah He don't know what 16 is This a mess this a mess a yo, throw me 20 cents for that.

Right? Okay. 20,000, Joe. Okay. So now let's just say he got 10 verses on his album. You know what I mean? Let's say every other room member do the same. So to get an album made, it may cost a million dollars.

A studio session is up to, let's say, at the cheapest level, 100 bucks an hour. You do a 12-hour blockout. That's another grand a day just to get into the studio. Then you got your engineer. So it costs money to create music, right? But now you get all this done, and you want to sell it, and the world just takes it for free. So now you can't recreate again. Now, even though the tools have gotten easier now, and you can do a lot with your it and somebody just, the world just takes it for free. So now you can't recreate again. Now, even though the tools have gotten easier now and you can do a lot with your laptop and all that, even a laptop is 2Gs, bro.

Even the download, just logic, right, which everybody use. $200, man. And so you need to, so. So it's merchandise and brand now. It's merchandise and brand now It's merchandise and brand It's merchandise And being able to take the idea of that brand And make it money

But if you're a fan What's the best way to support You What's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan What's the best way to support Is it Apple Music Like what is the best way

iTunes No now everything is found this way Otherwise if you could stream it Streaming's good You could stream it Spotify's good Spotify's good You could stream it. Spotify's good. Spotify's good. You could download it directly to your phone.

If you're a nostalgic person. But if you're going to give directions to fans, like what's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan? What's the best way to accumulate music or acquire music? I mean, if I just put it in words. They're all good now? Like streaming? Yeah, I think it's balanced.

Let me just say this to you. iTunes? I was just saying. Look, music is the second thing. The catch-22 here, Joe, is this. Okay. Now, music is also made to be heard. Yes.

So, while at one point I tried to prove a point by saying, look, I'm going to put a value on it so you know there's a value to it because there's a value to me. But then on the other point, right, I put another album out called A Better Tomorrow, which is like, yo, do what you want with that. You know how I come? Because I don't make music for me to listen to. I make it for the world to listen to it at the same time. So the best way to support your artist is just by listening to the music. All right? Beautiful.

I'm with you. Beautiful. So this is good, though. This is because I've always wanted to know this because I've always been like, what do I do? Do I do iTunes? Do I do Amazon? where do you get the most money back from yeah i think look i think they the system has found the way to balance itself okay so it's okay now yeah so spotify is good uh streaming you know streaming look you know i mean i think even taylor swift is thinking about coming over to the streaming thing that dirty girl everybody's gonna come to the streaming shit because because because that's Everybody's going to come to the streaming show.

Yeah, because that's the way to listen now. As long as she gets a good deal, right? The only thing, like you said, just the whole thing at the end of the day is play fair. Yes. Like, you know what? You can say, I don't want this streaming service, but somebody has to have a platform for people to even come check for you. Yes, 100%. But the other thing is fans need to know.

Fans need to know. Fans need to know. If I'm a fan and $14 is not too much money for me to spend, I need to know where to spend it. If there's one place you could tell me, that's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan. This is the best way to support. If I was a fan, right? If I was a fan and I had the money to spend, I would definitely buy the vinyl, right?

Why? Because it's tangible right I would buy the CD why because it's tangible I'm spending money right okay

you get a physical object yeah physical for physical especially a record like you buy the vinyl there's a commitment that's so funny that you said that because I know

people of certain blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah it's like this, blah. They're blah, blah, blah. It's like this. Oh, shit. They want audio rights to something so they can put it on vinyl. And then the value is the history, the story.

Like a motherfucker want a vinyl Wu-Tang because it's art. Just like with the one joint, it's art. It's art, brother. And like you said, we were talking about it earlier. It's coming back. Yeah. It's art It's art brother And like you said We were talking about it earlier It's coming back Yeah It's coming back Now I'm not saying It's going to go to clubs

Or anything like that And a DJ is like that But the act of collecting something And take it Take home with you It's so tangible Remember CDs CDs is like

This technology Is about to die Why would I buy this CD Because It has a booklet Remember Yeah The booklet Or albums This technology is about to die. Why would I buy this CD? Because it has a booklet. Remember? Yeah. The booklet?

Well, albums. That was a big part of what albums were was the artwork. Yeah, yeah. It was the artwork. And CDs. You could put your weed on it. Yeah. And those CDs, you break your weed up. Those CDs, you're like this.

Oh, shit, I got this album. Big Bamboo, they gave you a giant piece of rolling paper. Remember that? Yeah. And that was the last thing. And I don't see what the last thing and i don't see what you did but i don't see people doing that but i think it's going to go back nobody's everybody's not gonna have 1200s in your house or whatever but some people especially if

it's a genre or something that you connect with they're gonna be like i want to buy that well you know what's important though for fans we don't know son i've been go go pee bro i've been here for a long time go pee go pee it's okay it's okay it's okay no you're gonna talk shit when i leave sir you'd be like did he probably went in to go eat some bacon fuck this i'll be right back for a lot of fans they don't know like they don't know what there's no clearly established what's the best way to support an artist like we don't know and it's more gray now than ever but like i said if you look the physical act of going somewhere right right and buying something uh you know it's a give and take it's

an act right it's like going to a restaurant you go there look the food is three times the price of cooking at home right but it's a physical act so if if you really love an artist right it's just like I just got the, I paid $100 for the soundtrack to the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood soundtrack. $100? Yeah, it was $100 for the sound. It was a collector's, they had like a collector's vinyl. Oh, okay.

Down at the Grammy Museum, I saw it. I was like, I'm going to take this. It's some great songs on there. What's the band that made Cherokee Nation Cherokee Nation What's the name of that band I won't have to go there Cherokee People Cherokee People

Cherokee Pride Who made that one Cherokee People What is it Cherokee people. What is it? Cherokee pride. Who made that? What is it? I'm finding a bunch of

Paul Revere and the Raiders. Yeah, that's it. Okay, Paul Revere and the Raiders. That's a bold move. George Washington, the dudes in the boat. But point being made is I wanted that vinyl. Yes, the physical thing. I know, right? But point being made is I wanted that vinyl. Yes, the physical thing. I wanted that.

And I paid my $100 for it. Right. And I walked out the store with it. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just like comic books, you know? I just got a first issue of the new X-Men.

I actually bought it for meth. So when I see him, I'm going to give it to him. But because he loves comic books. And I was in, I was in, where I was at? St., not St. Louis.

After St. Louis, I was in, St. Louis, Kansas. Anyway, I was in um where i was at saint not saint louis after saint louis i was in uh anyway i was in that area and had a comic book store there i went in there and i was like yo they had the first issue of the new x-men bought that in plastic put that in my bag now of course you could go online and you could do it but But the physical, tangible thing, I think, is the best way to support artists. And nowadays, the way artists actually make the most economics is through live concerts. So the only way that's going to work is if somebody hears your music. So I always tell fans, look, just listen.

You know what I mean? Listen and enjoy. We're creating something for you to understand or for you to feel a vibe or for me to take you to my location, like cash rule, everything around me, we're taking you back to New York, the New York crime side. You know what I mean? And then when you come down and you get that song in your DNA and you come to a concert and you see us perform it,

now we have a symbiotic relationship. You know what I mean? So that's how I see it. That's beautiful because you're giving them a physical object. Yeah, I think it's important. I think you're right, man. That's why I want that goddamn box. Where are you, Martin?

Get out of jail. Sell me that box, bitch. Come on. How much do you think he'll sell it for? If you had to guess. How much did he buy it for? He had it, I mean, I think they bought it, what, $2 million? $2 million. But I think he had it on eBay. Didn't release it. I think he had it I mean I think they bought it What two million now Two million dollars

But I think I think he had it on Ebay I think he had it on Ebay I'm gonna I'm gonna buy it And release it for free I'm gonna release it

If that's okay with you If it's not Tell me And you guys can sell it But we need to have that That needs to be released Twenty what Twenty four

Twenty five Twenty five songs Get the fuck out of here Let's make this happen man Martin where you at It'd be nice if 20 what? 24? 25. 25 songs? Get the fuck out of here. Let's make this happen, man. Martin, where you at? It'd be nice if one of these guys calls you like, collect call. I can't fucking.

A jail call. Collect call from Elmira's Convectionals. I hear the feds listening. Martin, Martin, Martin, when you getting out? I need the box for the desk, Martin. Wow. Did you the desk, Martin. Wow. Did you, so, wow, so now that Donnell's gone, I can talk about him, right? He's the best, man. We finally got him to do a podcast.

I shamed him into doing one episode that he already did. Right. Because he didn't want to come here and tell me that he hadn't done it yet. So he did one, and then we're going to take that one. Jamie's going to produce it and edit it he's over there saying is that like we're going to do it together but we'll promote it i'll promote it on instagram i've just been trying to get him to do it forever he's he's a goddamn natural it's natural he's a natural he's he makes me cry you can't be stopped now now you said you do hot yoga. Are you into Zen? Anything Zen?

Like, what's your, is it all physical with yoga for you, or is it something spiritual? No, no. It's a mind-cleansing thing as much as it's a physical cleansing thing, because it's all about concentrating on my breath and ignoring all the fucking ideas that keep darting in and out of my head. It's just like meditation in the sense that I'm trying to calm myself down and center myself and I'm trying to cleanse myself. So when I'm holding poses and I'm concentrating on my breathing, what it does is it eliminates all of the stuff that I don't necessarily want in my head and allows me to manage my mind better.

And I think that's the thing that is misunderstood about yoga because in my opinion and I've done both I've done regular meditation I've done physical exercise I think there's a benefit a great unrecognized benefit to physical meditation and I find that in yoga I find that in martial arts yeah I don't know if you find that as well definitely yeah because you have you have still meditation I'm sorry I tried to sneak I'm so sorry Those fucking stupid lights man We gotta fix them Jamie and I have been Talking about it for three years

What happened to the chest son? The what? The chest Oh it got re It's being refilled With terrifying concoctions So we're talking about Physical

Any day now Meditation Right And still meditation So let's just say like There's a meditation Where you just sit still Yeah

And you just breathe And actually Wu-Tang Right So I'm gonna give you A little Wu-Tang law So Wu-Tang Uh

The story is There's a monk Named Chang Seng Fei Who leaves Shaolin Temple Because he Feels that the physical Exercise Is not the pure way To enlightenment Right He thought that the Kung exercise is not the pure way to enlightenment.

He thought that the Kung Fu was too external. Too many complications for the ego. So he retreats to the mountain and he goes for internal Kung Fu. But in the process of doing internal Kung Fu, such as Tai Chi, Zen Yi, Bak Kwa, right? Mm-hmm. Like, these techniques, like, there's this thing called the Ace Piece Brocade, where you just sit, you know what I mean? And you just do very small movements.

First, you bang on the back of your ears. It's called banging on the heavenly drums to open up the back of your brain. Like, if you do that right now, if you cover your ears, right, if you take the headphones off, right, and you cover your ears like this, you take your thumb like that. Okay. Of course, it's louder, right? You hear it, right?

Oh, it gives you, like, a little rhythm. Right. So you do that first, right? And that's just to open up your brain, like to open that up, right? You do it while inhaling, exhaling, balancing your yin and yang. Right? That's one of the brocades. So he made these eight pieces of brocade.

Right? Brocade means like something is blocked. Right? Right? It's a blockade. Right. So you want to open it up. Right.

You want to open up your main vessels. You know what I mean? Okay. Of course, being your these, open up your main vessels, you know what I mean? Okay. Of course, being your ears, your eyes, your nose, your mouth. You know, that goes back to Jesus saying the seven churches. What is the seven churches? Jesus spoke to the seven churches. Well, he spoke to the two eyes, the two nose, two holes in your nose, your mouth, and your

two ears. So he's speaking to a man. He said out of his mouth came a double-edged sword. The sword, of course, no sword can come out of your mouth. Your tongue is that sword. Double-edged. Exactly. Shout out to all the preachers that eat pussy, but go ahead.

Wait, that's P-E-P. All right. You got to make that an act for them. P-E-P. Like, well. Get down with P-E-P. Yeah, you know me. I'm sorry.

But anyway Before the cunnilingus part of it comes in Right? Before we get to the cunnilingus So Wu-Tang itself, right? This guy leaves the temple Goes to the mountain to meditate And he's dealing with still meditation

Right? But in all reality When you mix it together Wu-Tang and Shaolin You have the physical And the still meditation. And it takes both to actually find this level of enlightenment you're looking for. So when Bodhidharma came to Shaolin, he actually came from India.

So Bodhidharma was an Indian monk who was more of a yoga student. He comes to Shaolin and he's trying to teach them the Indian way, but he realized that all the monks are too weak to sit there and they're still meditation. And so he created something called the low hands, right? Or the 18 low hands or, right. And he, these forms and these steps were made so that now they could do a physical movement to build their body up. So now they can meditate longer because you can have a strong mind what's the use of a strong mind without a strong body and what's the use of a strong body without a strong mind so that's the yin and yang must be balanced and so that's the shaolin and

wu-tang philosophy so when we made wu-tang clan uh and i'll go back to myself with this we made wu-tang clan as the name of our crew we took the verse from the Bible about the double-edged sword and Jesus speaking, right? We said, okay, we're going to use our words and our wisdom and our spirituality to talk to the world through our music, right? But we also took that in the Wu-Tang law. They said the Wu-Tang martial art monks, they developed the best sword style, right? So we're like, well, we're the Wu-Tang. We have the best sword style. But we come from Shaolin because that's the well which springs forth.

And so we took the physical of Shaolin as our base, the spiritual, the meditative force of Wu-Tang, and we put it together. And our album starts off, if what you say is true, the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous. Damn. Bum, bum. Oh, my God. That's hip-hop history, ladies and gentlemen. I need a Wu name, son.

Yo, give me a Wu-Tang name, son. What would it be? I don't know. You got to go through that name generator, son. Yo, give me a Wu-Tang name, son. I don't know. You got to go through that name generator, sir. Yo, Jamie, can you name generate me? How do you do it? You can't change who you are. Words won't change your essence.

Your essence is Don L. Rawlings. There's no escaping that. Yo, I respect what you're saying right now. I respect that, and you sound very white right now, but I'm just saying, motherfucker, Riz is in here. I want a Wu name, son.

I understand that. I understand that. I appreciate that. Yo, when I did that show, Hollywood, with Kevin Smith, there was this part. Look at this.

Wu-Tang Generator, Arrogant Dreamer. That ain't right. I don't want that. I don't want that one. Give me a new name, son. Come on, man. Arrogant Dreamer's pretty dope. I'll take that. I like that. I don't want that. I don't want that one. Give me a new name, son. Come on, man. Arrogant Dreamer's pretty dope.

I'll take that. I like that. I'll take that. Listen, when I was doing the Kevin Smith show, Hollyweed, there was a part where I'm in the owner dispensary. I'm in there, right? And I smoke weed. And the only time I think I can spit is when I smoke weed.

So I'm smoking weed. And I just was doing these bars. And at the end of every one I said Wu-Tang. At the end of every one I said Wu-Tang and Kevin Smith know me.

Every time I text him he's like Wu-Tang forever. Well Dave says that shit all the time too. This is what I pitched to him for the Hollywood show. Like they know every time I write

it's like yo nigga Wu-Tang forever. What? Wu-Tang forever. So? Wu-Tang forever. So, we had, I had pitched a scene where all I'm saying is Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang, and I'm in a dispensary, right? And then you know how they had the security cams and shit? I'd be like, eh, who is it?

And motherfuckers say, it's Wu-Tang. The actual Wu-Tang show up to the weed spot, And that's the thing I punctuate all my raps with Ah shit You know when Dave Dave did have a lot of jokes with Wu-Tang in it right And I really appreciate it I love him He's a beautiful man

Had us on the show But he did one Wu-Tang joke right That That fucked me up Where was it? Can I talk about it real quick? Yes please So I'm watching it

So he did the three Netflix specials Right It was the first one Where was it? Can I talk about it real quick? Yes, please. So I'm watching it. So he did the three Netflix specials. Right. It was the first one. And so me and my wife, we excited. Yo, dang, boom, we put it on. And we watching it, and we dying laughing. And then he goes into the scene where he does, like, he's at a party, and he had the transgender dude fall out and all that and everything.

And then he goes, you know, he don't understand, you know, how somebody do that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, what does somebody do? They just chop their dick off, whoo-tang, bang. And they just keep going. And I was like, what the fuck was that? All right, hold on, let me finish this.

No, I'm sorry. Me and my white folks, like, we both kind of didn't say nothing, like, for the first three minutes. Like, you know, I just kept watching. He was shocked. No, I'm sorry. Me and my wife both, like, we both kind of didn't say nothing, like, for the first three minutes. Like, you know how his hopeless kept watching? He was shocked. Right, right, right. And then it was like, what the fuck? And we paused.

I said, babe, what? You get that one? He said, no, I didn't get it. No. Right? So we didn't get it, right? Next fucking day. Next fucking day, I'm somewhere at a meeting in the elevator, and boom, it hits me.

Because it stayed in my fucking mind. Right. I fucking started dying laughing. It was a punctuate. No. No. So what was the difference with what you thought the joke that you didn't get, but what made you get it? What made me get it was just the, I'm trying to, because Dave is a genius, yo.

Right. His shit is crazy right it's like a lyric you gonna get the rhyme when you get the rhyme right so

what he was saying he said he don't understand how a man chop his dick off so what a man do a man just go woo tang

bow the reason this tell me what you got I'll tell you what I got what I got was the most gangster phrase you could say that describes the hardest shit you could do. It's Wu-Tang.

You know what I'm saying? Cut your dick off. Don't take it back. That's thief. It's true. Because one of your Wu-Tang mans did that shit. Exactly. Hold on.

So that's what it was. Who did it? Who did it? Tell him. now it's true because one of your Wu-Tang mans did that shit exactly hold on so now that's what it was who did it who did it tell him tell him there's a dude that was affiliated

with us right don't say affiliated motherfucker he was a Wu-Tang he was a Wu-Tang hold on listen man he wasn't part of the Wu-Tang clan

alright hold on I gotta give you a test before we go further I don't want a test I agree with you I agree with you from the sl with you. I agree with you. From the slum to Shaolin, Wu-Tang Clan strikes again.

The RZA, the JZA, Old Dirty Bassett, Inspector Deck, Ray Kwan the Chef, U-Guard, Ghostface Killer, and Method Man. Method Man. Of course, and Master Killer and Capadonna. Method Man and Ray Kwan are in New York right now for the Jets-Giants game, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, that makes sense. That makes more sense.

Of course, Capadonna and Master Killer and a lot of mathematics and sometimes even Red Man and Streetlight. Mathematics, follow me. But check it out. So we had other groups we signed. North Star. I actually signed North Star. I signed the Black Knights, both West Coast groups, actually.

Some from Long Beach, some from Compton. You know, made a lot of songs with them. Talented Young Brothers. So one of the members of the North Star zoned out. He zoned out on some crazy... Zoned out. One of them drugs you talking about, Joe. Zoned out.

And what do they call it when you do it? I don't... What do they call it? Yeah. There's a they call it? Yeah. There's a word for it, though. What's the word when you do it? Castrate yourself. I had to get the word, brother.

Yeah. So now. So he castrates himself, right? So now, that's the punchline of his joke. The punchline is like, because this dude, for no reason. It was a callback. Yeah. Cut his shit off.

So you got it in an elevator? Yeah, I'm just walking on this in an elevator. I'm like, oh, shit. It's a delay. I'm serious. Yo, it's a delay. It's a long fuse. That's a genius joke when he hits you like 24 hours later, son.

Oh, my God. That bit has a long fuse. But Dave does got those kind of jokes. Oh, man. I remember when we were on the road when that actually was the news. Right. And he was like, Wu-Tang punctuated so much in anything, whatever you do. For fun anyway.

For anything, Wu-Tang forever. So when a member, or at least an affiliated member of the Wu-Tang, cuts off his dick, and then he does the thing. He could have been a Wu-Tang forever. So when a member, or at least an affiliated member of the Wu-Tang cuts off his dick, and then he does the thing. He could have been like a nephew, a Wu-Fu. He could have been a Wu-Nephew or whatever. You know what's so crazy about that incident? First of all, that incident was very hurtful. Yeah, hell yeah it was hurtful. I'm probably sure it was hurtful to him.

But it was hurtful in a sense like when it happened I was doing a TV show called Gang Malady right and so you know like I would go like say it happened on the night it happened

the next night is a cast where the whole cast get together and this shit is the news this is like on every network every TMZ this is like oh shit and I would come in the room and everybody's like

what the fuck happened like you know what I mean yeah but I'm telling you the thing about it's like, what the fuck happened? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I'm telling you, the thing about it is like, I don't know what you need to do to represent your gangster, but cutting your dick off is the most go hard shit

a motherfucker could do. It's hard, right? Now... That's like next level. Yeah, it's next level. Now, homie, so I had a buddy with me at the time, Paul Banks from Interpol.

And we was working on an album and so he saw me, he's like, damn, Bobby, you look kind of fucking depressed. I said, yo, man, I don't like the way this shit sound, man. It's like, you know what I mean? It's like depressed. It feels, you know, feel bad.

I said, first of all, I don't think I found in the history of me, of my study, I never heard of a man chopping his own shit off. This shit is biblical. You know what I mean? So I'm already, even though some people may have done it, you don't know about it.

This shit is biblical. Do it to yourself. Maha Barada. And when he said it, he's like, listen, he probably was really fucked up. Probably.

Check it out. Probably. He said he was probably, he said, nah, nigga, he was fucked up. He said, he's probably, he said. Yeah, nah, nigga, he was fucked up. He said, he was probably really fucked up. I said, yeah. I said, but then, you know what I'm saying? Then they say he jumped out the window out of a two-story, he jumped over the balcony

of a two-story apartment building, but didn't die. It got up and they said he jumped. After he cut his dick off? Yeah, after. No, no disrespect to him. Cut your dick off, jumping over and then hit full stride when he hit down. No, no. So my man Paul said this.

He said, I think he was sober when he jumped. How can you get that? Check it out. He said, I think he was sober when he jumped. And he went on to give me this whole story about one of his friends that had a problem.

Because he had to console me. Right now, I'm kind of puzzled. So he's like, he's trying to console me. And he told me, I said, yeah,

but he didn't die. He said, yeah, he didn't die because he wasn't going to die. You know what I mean? So it gave me a little metaphor in my head.

So he said, I had a friend who used to drink and shit, and one night he had a problem with it. One night he was in a hotel, and he laid on the fucking balcony of a window, right? And everybody said, yo, get the fuck off that. And the window was open. He said, if he fall this way, he's going down 10 stories. But if he go this way

He just hit the floor He's in the room And that's the whole thing Right He said that He went this way He went down Ten stories

Ten stories He gone But during the fall He sobered up But when he hit the ground He didn't die He became quadriplegic the dick cut off motherfucker no no no no this is this is this the alcohol dude that fell down point being made is that you ain't gonna

go until it's time to go right oh 100 so you think you're killing yourself it ain't happening but if you cut your dick off and you survived that that's the time to go hold on hold on but so so the idea is was he sober when he jumped? And I had the chance to speak to him. Right? I sent him a Quran. You know what I mean? I was like, I think you might have to get into some studies brother.

So anyway, I sent him the Quran. Can't nobody hold you down off of that. And then I said, let me ask you a question. And the question was, you know, when you jumped was you sober? He said, let me ask you a question. And the question was, you know, when you jumped, you know, was you? He said, yeah. He's like, for that moment, like everything else was whatever it was. And, you know, you can read his story, and he says what happened in the story.

But when he jumped, that was the moment of sobriety. And for me, that was like, now that's the. When he jumped, when he cut his dick off, that wasn't the moment of sobriety? It's after. Okay. You know, when you ever do some shit, you ever been fucked up? Yeah. And you do some shit and, uh-oh.

Like, I had a really bad sexual thing. It was one of them sex nights. You know, I was coming up. I kind of had like a blanket over me. And we was going room to room fucking girls. It was one of them bad sex drug in your system. I'm fucking everybody tonight. I know what you're talking about.

You know what I'm saying? I know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about. And you just going room to room, room to room. Going crazy. Condom, no condom, motherfucker. I'm going hard body.

Against the grain. Against the grain. But then there's that moment. Like, oh, shit, I fucked up. Right. I knew I fucked up. Right. And you get sober for about 30 seconds.

And then the hot kid back in, you go knock on the door. You're like, yo, yo, yo, I'm all right. The dick back. The dick is back. The dick is back. I don't know where those loads went. Anyway. Yeah.

Anyway, that's it. But Wu-Tang, bang. But didn't he glue his dick back on? He stitched it back on, right? Did he? He fixed it. It's all good. Bro.

Is that true? Yeah. I stopped following the story after that. Yeah, that was after. I hope he's okay I was like That was just Thank God for surgeons

Thank God for scientists Thank God for But I'm telling you That's like Forever will be The most gangsta shit You can do Wu-Tang

Chop your dick off And say Wu-Tang That dude Dave Chappelle Don't say that Because he's gonna film it now They got a world star Hoping that Dave sees it

So I'm getting I'm getting the. So I'm getting the track today. I'm getting the track today? Getting the track. Email it to me right now, son. You about to disappear, man. Who? You are. No, no, give me an email.

You guilt tripped the shit out of Bebo. He didn't say nothing. He's been here for two fucking hours. I said who? Poof, I'm gone. He's been here for hours. I went there, and you said, and the thing about it was. Dono guilted me into producing his show.

No, I didn't guilt you, I asked you. He guilted Jamie into being the technical advisor. That's not what I said. He guilted you into the music and then he tried to pretend that you were trying to run out of here when you clearly weren't. No, that's not what I said. What I said was like, I'm sick of you talking shit to me. Here it is.

I said, could you just produce the first episode and get off the track? And Jamie wasn't fucked with me at all. He didn't know what to do. No, he knew what to do. He knew to get me the fuck out of here. He produces five shows a week. I knew I had another show to do right now. I didn't know what he needed me to do.

And I didn't know I was going to fail. He does five shows a week. Listen, with that said. Sometimes more. Joe, with that said. Exactly. I didn't know he needed me to do it. And I didn't know I was going to fail. He does five shows a week. Wow. Listen, with that said, sometimes more. Joe, with that said, I wasn't demanding.

I wasn't, only thing, but only thing I was doing has been cooperative. In all honesty, I'm happy, more than happy. Where do we start this off with? I'm ecstatic.

I contemplate it. I'm ecstatic to help you. I contemplate this situation. I'm ecstatic to help you. I don't care. I'm happy. I'm glad. I just want you to do it. I contemplated this situation. I'm ecstatic to help you. I don't care. I'm happy. I'm glad. I just want you to do it.

Now that you're doing it, I'll do whatever. And look at the inspiration. And we started this. Yes. This is inspiration two. Okay, write your email on here. This is old school as shit. Yeah, I'm old school.

All right. Well, you got to send it to me, man. And I'll send you a track. I'll send you two. Look at that. Look at that. Two. Want to be like maybe kind of hip hoppypy, and I want to be like you.

Listen, don't even go with hip. Listen, the funny thing about it, we came up with the idea of doing it in the car. You know how I drive around? I listen to classical music. So want to be classical? What kind? Beethoven. I don't even know.

I got on some classical station. Like Sirius? I don't know what it is. They be like this. And that was the works from NB Miners. And so, I know that shit make my brain feel relaxed

like a motherfucker. Right. It does. It feels good. I like listening to it while I write. Donnell Raw Edge. Yep.

D-O-N-N-E-L-L. Don't tell people. He had to read this shit back. Donnell, we're going to have to edit that out. You can't tell people what your goddamn email is.

Don't say that. He just said Gmail. I didn't say Gmail, son. You just said Gmail. Well, look how he wrote it. He said it? Yo, that's so disrespectful, man. He said it.

If you show it, if he wouldn't have said it, nobody would have knew it. Not even me. Jamie, can you beep over that? Some numbers in there that can't be seen. Oh. Right? No, you the one said it. Oh, yeah, we're going

to add some numbers. Yeah. Yeah, well, there's three or four. Fuck. Man, I'm telling you, my shit is going to blow, son. I'm ready, son.

Well, you can't spell the shit the way he spelled it. I spelled it the way I spell it. What are you talking about? Stop, stop, stop, stop. I got it. Listen, people are going to get your email. That's two N's. I got you. I thought it was What are you talking about? Stop, stop, stop, stop. I got it. Listen, people are going to get your email. That's two N's.

I got you. I got you. I thought it was two V's. Please, Don. Man, whatever it is. V's. The dicks are coming to you right now. Dudes are loading up dicks in their email browser.

Don't send it up to you like a goddamn hurricane. Don't do that. A tsunami of dicks. Why you can't do it right now? Oh, because it's not in my phone. I got a new phone. Donnell, you got to change your email. Oh, he got me, son.? Oh, because it's not in my phone. I got a new phone. Donnell, you got to change your email. I hate to tell you this.

You got me. You got me. I got a new phone. How much can we change this? All right, take my number down, too. It's fucked? Can we beep it? We're going to beep over your email because this is ridiculous.

What are we going to do? We're going to cut to me during the take so that you don't see your lips moving either because the scientists, they're out there. They will? We're going to cut to me during the take so that you don't see your lips moving either. Because the scientists, they're out there. They will? We're all good. Damn, when is this? Jamie knows what he's doing.

Yo, when did this come out of? The plug. I know the plug. I don't know. There's something underneath there. Where's the plug? I don't know. There's something underneath there. Where is it, Jamie?

You can't hear me, but it's by his right foot. By your right foot. By your right foot on the floor. There you go floor There you go There you go Click So We good?

Before I slip out And go catch this story Before I close Give me one serious Rizzo question I mean I don't know Well tell me about The Hulu show

I'm interested in The Hulu show Okay Cool I'm gonna do that This one thing So I'm gonna give you Something to edit to

That's why I was just No we're good He's good James is gonna to beep over. Okay, so. Description of his email. People are mad right now. What the fuck?

It was better when it was live. I could send him a picture of my dick. So the Hulu show was created by me, my partner Alex C., executive producer Brian Grazer. I love Brian. Yeah, met the love Brian he was just here last week oh yeah he's great that's right he's an interesting guy man

yeah very very I really like talking to him yeah and he uh well he's a he's a entertainment icon

and genius in what he do and he had uh he actually read my book The Tao of Wu and um that led to him having an interest in making this into a TV series. You know what I mean? And so we partnered up with Alex C., Francie Calfo, and we wrote 10 episodes of this.

We got to write his room. Pitted on Hulu. It's called Wu-Tang and the American Saga. An American Saga. And it follows us pre-Wu-Tang days in all reality. So you get to see some of the things that happened in our neighborhoods and some of the things that molded us to the men that we became. And it's not only because of like,

we have the liberty to fictionalize some things. So for it's not only because of like, you know, we have the liberty to fictionalize some things, right? So for instance, there could be a character, you know, you think about Eric Garner, right? That's like popular within the last three to five years, right? Maybe a little longer.

Right. But for us, that same thing happened when we was kids in our neighborhood. In the same neighborhood, mind you. Of course. Okay? So that happened on Staten Island.

You know what I mean? And we was able to, through the show, kind of go back and look at some of the same problems that we have as American citizens in our communities that we're still facing today. For instance, in episode three, one of my favorite episodes, you see a black mother addressing a funeral about how so many of these kids are dying from gun violence over things that's not even valuable, things that could be replaced, whether it's sneakers or gold chain, but the life can't be replaced. And she goes on to say something that, you know, as a mother, the pain of labor, you hear how painful that is, right?

I've seen how painful it is. So imagine the pain a woman feels when their child is killed in cold blood. I can't even imagine that. And she goes on to say, we never see our children as thieves, gangsters, you know, criminals.

We see them as our babies. You know what I mean? And we're turning our community into a war zone. And we got to realize that this is our community and these are our babies. So the show gets a chance

to tap into all of that because these things happen. We were talking about it earlier. We were talking about the same thing. We were talking about guns. I was like, a black person's perspective and their views

and how they look at guns is totally different from someone that grew around where the NRA was strong, what grew around where they had gun laws. You know what I'm saying? The average black person, when you think about a gun, you think about something that could take where they had gun laws. You know what I'm saying? With an average black person,

when you think about a gun, you think about something that could take somebody's life. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You got to think about hurting. And not only that, you also think about a gun

in certain cases where it took a life of somebody that was innocent. It was somebody with an authority. You know what I'm saying? So, like, most black people, their connection with guns is totally different

from just, like, hunting and I want to protect my household. Yeah, because and in our show, we know we tap into that. But at the same time, we also tap into that feeling when when the kid gets a new drum machine, right, without the instruction manual. And he's going to stay up all night trying to figure it out, You know what I mean? And play on it and eventually make something. You know, like for the case of me, that SP-1200, I made that beat for Brain to Pain,

which was one of Method Man's first videos and one of his first charting songs. And you think about me trying to figure this thing out and figure it out and then make something. And getting excited every time you figure it out. And then make something that the world appreciates.

So you get that angle as well. But then you also, you know, you get, you know, at the time my mother was working for a man named Fat Larry. And Fat Larry was a. Actually, Larry's cousin. No, he actually was an Italian guy who ran the number spots on Staten Island. I used to go to Italian restaurants. I can't remember. It felt so illegal and fucked up, but it was so good.

Staten Island, right? Yeah, man. It was like, oh, shit. I ain't telling nobody I'm out here. Yeah, so we tabbed into that culture as well. So anyway, so it was an honor to work with Imagine TV. You know, Brian Grazer, Ron Howard also blessed us on it as well. And my partner, Alex C., who just a good writer. You know, he wrote Superfly, right?

The new Superfly. And he's just a good writer. Our partnership led to these episodes. And it's invaluable right now. How does it feel to be respected as a hip hop pioneer as someone

that started some different shit and like you could rock with Wu-Tang forever but you still been able to like be identified like you. You know what I'm saying?

How does it feel to be, go through the hip hop thing and then being respected in the film world, in the writing world, like you are now? I mean, it's a blessing, of course, right?

You can say that without no jokes, no strings attached. That wasn't no joke, just real shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm with you. It's a blessing

and the beauty of it all for me, for the RZA, is that every step that I take and every footprint I leave, I leave it for hip hop. Right. So you think about, you know, of course, you know, Dr. Dre is in front of me. He's ahead of me, you know. And so, you know, I had his records before I had a record.

And so I watched the N.W.A. movie and I'm like, wow, it's a movie. It was an album. now it's a movie. And now, you know, how do I take it to another level? Well, now it's not a movie. It's a TV series. Wow. You see? And now somebody else in hip-hop could take a look at that,

and they could say, wow, what can we do now to take it to another level? So the biggest blessing for me, the biggest reward, is knowing that there's footprints being left by the abbot, as they call me, the abbot. But the abbot is leaving footprints. So in showing people in hip-hop, you don't have to be crabs in a barrel or trying to say a rhyme or trying to make a beat. I mean, you could take your art and put it in many forms because there's many outlets of art. Even an editor. There's many outlets of hip-hop, too.

Yeah. Even a good editor, a hip-hop video editor, it's a certain style to his editing, right? Because he has the hip-hop in him. You know what I mean? So even there's an outlet. a lot of young people, you know, in many fields, we all sometimes strive towards the same goal, not realizing how many people it takes to achieve the goal. And through film,

and I'll end with this, through film being one of the most collaborative art forms there is. You watch a movie, you'll see, you know, hundreds of names go by. When I did my movie, Man with the Iron Fist,

I had... Was that Tarantino? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, you know, the names go by when i did my movie man with the iron fist i had was that tarantino yeah yeah yo you know the weird thing about it like man like me being on the outside and seeing you creating everything man that connection felt so like it was support it made so much sense son thank you it made so it's likeuh And the baddest man alive Is like number two Right behind The Rage Against the Machine Wu-Tang collaboration

With the black keys God damn That's a good song God damn Thank you brother Thank you But point being made That 500 people

Was employed Yeah a lot of people A lot of moving parts Yeah So think about The young people out there Who's trying to figure out Whether their art

Fit in Whether their art fit in Where do their talent fit in And I say to them Look it took 500 people to make that Okay And you never know Where your talent gonna fall So we could

Like he told you to spit 16 You ain't gotta spit 16 No no he gotta spit 16 But his No no no Hold on He gotta spit 16 Or two

But his talking Listen His, his talking attract millions just like my spending $16,000. Yo, man, only reason I did, only reason, this is why I wanted him to spend $16,000 because I knew he was going to say, where the fuck is your podcast, right? So, yo, I was like this. Before he get to the podcast, I wanted to do the $16,000. Yo, I was like this. Before he get to the podcast, I wanted to do this thing. Already know this motherfucker's voice is the voice of this whole shit.

And a motherfucker that can just sit there and talk to somebody forever. And not only just talk to somebody forever. That's after doing comedy. I was a comedy. Then I got time to talk to somebody forever. And I don't have to talk about none of the shit I did last night. That's some crazy shit. You could do it too.all started 44 minutes with nobody yo i got two producers y'all already said it said my three producers we could do it you this

you're on the road man you got no worries yo we're gonna leave with a verse check it out hit me with what's the logistics is my egotistic personality part of my coexistence or is it just a dangerous stranger paying me an uninvited visit like an unwanted Christmas guest? Or is it just a fragment of my lower self, envy, greed and lust or my higher self, goodwill, love and trust? Is this therapy too untherapeutic to discuss? Is this therapy too untherapeutic to discuss? I was dangling in the dirt like a pair of loose shoestrings. But I was born in the USA like Bruce Springsteen. Torn between the temptation of bringing the ruckus to maintaining the structure.

To keeping girls on my payroll that'll cut your nuts off after they fuck you. Before you rupture. They try to put me in a quiet place. Where the words stop. Or put me in a closed pen space ruin life through a bird box but close the windows shut the doors scatter dirt on the floor so the sound of my footsteps are dampened and absorbed that's a metaphor to kill the noise while they walk around we look blindfolded as they kill our boys and these crazy races roam with cold steel and they kill for joy

blood spills inside the church and outside the shopping store, inside the movie theater, school campus and church or the synagogues. No location is omitted. Most cases get acquitted by mental illness and no guns are prohibited. Is it rational to think this is a national problem? Therefore, it's a threat to national security and the National Guard needs to solve it? Or is it visible? It's a problem of individuals who are not in accord with the principle of one nation under God and the visible. Respect to my veterans. The result, ladies and gentlemen, John L. Rollins. That's it. That's it.

That's it. That's the way to end a fucking podcast. Woo. An honor, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Bye, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Bye, everybody.