The Joe Rogan Experience - #1387 - Josh Homme

Episode Date: November 19, 2019

Josh Homme is a singer, songwriter, musician, record producer, and actor. He is the founder and primary songwriter of the rock band Queens of the Stone Age.

boom did you roll in on a motorcycle i did you're a fucking animal in this day and age in la traffic but there's a there's a bit of a zen thing happening because if you don't pay attention you could die you know oh right you know i and i i find myself trying to have this field of view and plus you can't be on the phone. Right. Because I think sometimes when you drive a car, you forget to take the moment to do nothing. Right. You just sort of be for a second. Yeah.

And you can listen to tunes, and it makes all the songs better. Like, I don't know if I fully appreciated Judas Priest until I rode a motorcycle and could listen to music. So you listen, like, in your head? Like, you have it in your... No, that one has a... I have the luxury of having a couple of them, but that one's almost like the grandpa bike

for going to the movies. But is it at speakers or is it in the helmet? It's speakers. I don't do the helmet because there's so much of that in my life anyways, like point blank range. Right, right, right. Yeah.

And so it's almost like you kind of end up rocking your head like that. Yeah. And you're like breaking the law. It sort of like flips your Beavis switch. And it feels wonderful, like the wind in your hair. Yeah. And getting here took, I don't know where you came from,

but I beat you here and I left after you did. Where did you drive from? I was sort of over by Runyon Canyon. Oh, okay. Yeah, if you live in Orange County, I get it, because that's really the only way you're going to get here and not lose your fucking mind. Well, something that's 21 miles away is 25 minutes away.

Legitimately. Yeah, I mean, there's a little bit of like should i go stop here and also you're always going to the front of traffic which really is the safest place to be at the very front sure just everyone everyone on each butt cheek sort of you know the the thing that freaks me out though is the lane splitting like some some people are just not paying attention and some people some people are just trying to go fast. Some people are, and they're like, some people work out their kinky anger on you. Oh, on the bike, you mean? Yeah.

Or the car. Like, someone's like, no way. If I'm stuck in this, you're stuck in this. That is fucking weird, man. That thing's weird. That kind of anger against motorcycles, like, that they can get ahead and you can't? It's beyond motorcycles. It's that angriness of their emotional bank accounts are low in that moment.

And they're like, how about you? You can have that too. It's like sharing the wrong shit. Yeah. I think it's people that don't feel like there's a way out of the life they're in too. There's no light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, the Missouri Loves Company. Where it's the tunnel. Yeah, the Missouri Loves Company. It's just like, welcome to the Missouri Loves Company.

Sit down. And it's just, I don't know, so much has been happening for me lately, and I just, you have those things when they click, and then you can't unknow them once you've learned something. And it's like I see how that is just really attempting to elevate your own situation by bringing someone down, which is impossible. So in that moment, that's almost them doing the best they can.

I know they're trying to kill you, but they're trying to cope with something that's just maybe the wrong way. It's definitely the wrong way. That's one of the weird things about being a kid, right? Nobody really tells you how to think. Nobody really teaches you how to approach situations in life and what's going to help you and what's not going to help you at all. No, but you learn some funky stuff instead.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And even when you're learning the history of someone, it seems like they don't tell you how they've wrestled with that emotion to do the right thing or or find a way to just accept something right like how did they get to accept that this was their decision that they had to make right i don't know there's not there's not much uh there's not many guideposts for how to treat yourself and other people but there's like there's all sorts of math and

stuff like that yeah but even history right there's a lot of facts this happened then that happened this is the date that this took place but the actual accounts from the human beings

and even if you read it it's like I want to see the person say it you know I almost that's what the Ken Burns version of all that there's one guy in the Ken burns version of all that there's one guy in the ken burns the civil war one who's kind of like was probably alive then to like just it seems like he's so passionate about it and he's such a good storyteller

and so he's he's adding the emotions of like you know when when when Robert E. Lee was, or I'm sorry, the union guy. Ulysses Grant? Grant, Grant, had a drinking problem, but then was like, oh, and he probably had it from PTSD, you know? And he's just telling that story with such kind of emotional depth.

It was cool. It's nice to watch that instead of read it sometimes. Yeah, I don't think any of us are ever going to be able to truly understand what it was like to live without television without radio without cell phones and war like what and then war inside the same continent with other people that are supposed to be just like you that speak the same language like yeah that you run the risk of going hey hey gary yeah right especially if you live in like fucking virginia or somewhere on the border you could know the person who's facing you sure and be like best of luck to you gary i yeah i hope

i do and don't get you i don't know what to think i was reading this article too about how many murders took place after the war was settled where you know like where people like hey you know we're not done bro yeah you killed my whole fucking family yeah they're like cool lincoln we're good yeah we're not good let me hang on for a little bit and start assassinating people but after after what would seem like a lifetime of that sort of witnessing that and doing that and watching things that you recognize as injustice, the idea of someone getting stuck in the blame and as a vendetta in that, I can see that. But you see how that's really – it's probably why we're still having problems now.

It's definitely some part of it, right? Yeah. It's like my great, great, great, great told me. Yeah. some part of it right yeah it's like my great great great great told me yeah you know when when people are sort of like dipped in that kool-aid of because it my great great great great great felt this way i'm supposed to too because yeah we're related so dude i'm almost done with this book um i'm listening to this audio book empire the summer moon it is fucking insane. It's all about the war. I'll tell you the guy's name.

Oh, Jamie will pull it up. Gary. Fucking Gary. He's fucking Gary. Best of luck, Gary. S.C. Gwynn. G-W-Y-N-N-E. Empire of the Summer Moon.

It's all about the war with the Plains tribes. The Plains Indians versus the settlers. It is fucking insane, it's insane it's like i all everyone knows that there was european settlers and they had conflict with indians and there was a lot of things that happened but until you read like the accounts of all the different battles and all the things that happened and all the slaughters and all the chaos and the children and the and the message is sent by more violent like oh dude and and you think you're sending one message but you're really giving the the wrong one yeah i i can't i can't imagine and

it's so far away for maybe you and i yeah that reading that is like it's like when you don't think about it it's sort of like it's just an app i don't use or something in this day and age see if they have a photo of cynthia ann parker there's a couple photos of this woman who was a she was kidnapped by the by the comanches when she was nine and her everyone in her family was brutally murdered there was a raid on her town but they kidnapped her and she became a part of the comanches and she married a chief and had babies with them and then they they've captured her again when when these uh settlers so this is a photo of this lady this lady became a comanche and then fucking hated coming back to civilization oh she was the comanche finally lost

and that's what she was kind of forced to do is be re the command she finally lost and that's what what she was kind of forced to do is be re-kidnapped see that's a famous photo of her the one that you just had jamie in the left hand side because she's breastfeeding and she has a bare breast and she's doing this and they they used it for some sort of newspaper story and they never did that with a regular white woman. They did it with her because they wanted to show that even though this woman was raised until she was nine years old by white people, she became a savage. And that's why they have her there breastfeeding her half Indian baby. It's so sad, man.

The story about her is so sad because she didn't want to go back. She kept trying to escape. What do you think the, you know, everyone does something with some intention. And I think mostly people think it's a good intention, whether that works out or not. But what do you think the thought process was behind being Comanche, slaughtering everyone else and saying, we're going to keep this gal and then kind of take her into the fold. That sounds like a lovingly taken in the fold. It was more pragmatic, apparently, according to this book. They didn't have a high birth rate because women would miscarry a lot because they were

on horses all the time. Yeah. Because they rode horses. They were a wild fucking tribe, man. It was really amazing reading the accounts of what their life was just so rough but they didn't have like pottery and baskets but they're rough yeah i mean they were they were war like they were all about war that was their whole thing and war with other tribes yeah just as much previous oh yeah before the europeans came

they were fucking everybody up they fucked everybody up the comanches were just ruthless man yeah all they did was kill buffalo and eat buffalo meat they were just eating meat and just riding horses and fucking people up okay that that part sounded delicious amazing right buffalo meat open fire i mean there's something incredibly romantic your family you know just with a It's one of the things about Native Americans versus the Western settlers or the people that settled is that no one ever, like, Native Americans never wanted to join European civilization. It was not their thing. But Europeans did join these tribes, not just the Cynthia Ann Parker lady, but a bunch. A bunch of people just made friends with the Indians, learned the language, it became a part of their culture. And they were like, fuck you and your fucking stores and all your bullshit.

You want to have tea in the middle of the day here dressed like that? It's sort of like settlers come in and what they're settling for is that they're going to try to make the rest of the world look like what they are. And they won't be able to, so we'll settle for whatever we get and then there's these other people that are just sort of living good downstream it seems like the settlers are fighting upstream always and and the indians are just living downstream they're going with what's there yeah they're going with what they're becoming part of the land instead of, we should really force this thing into, make it sit. They were so fucking ruthless though,

man. So ruthless. It's crazy to read all the depictions, all the things that they did. But it just, there's something so insanely romantic about their life. Like they were talking about

Cynthia Ann Parker's, when they brought her back in her 30s, they brought her back to civilization, how difficult it was for her to sort of reintegrate. And that like the world of the Comanche was like a world of magic.

Like in that everything was a god. There was wind gods and fire gods and the trees were gods. There was like thousands of gods. Now all of a sudden she had to believe in one god. Or just like where you're deliberately blocking all those gods on purpose right every turn right i mean because if you i mean who's to say that that like really engaging with the gods of the wind and all that doesn't open this thing for you for somebody because there wasn't tons of people like you said trying to be in the white world no it was that

but there was a shit ton of people a metric fuck ton trying to be comanche and yeah piute and and you name it you know i mean there must be something really wonderful to it just maybe lacking the defense to stop us well it didn't you know it didn't work like their magic didn't protect them from the white settlers but there was something about the belief in that magic well only the last group of them yeah it did everyone else before you know it did i mean all things must come to an end and cycle out it's like well what really got them was disease they said that disease killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 of the native americans which is just incredible and that's also the aztecs it's a lot of civilizations that encounter these dirty

europeans yeah have you ever been to teotihuacan no i've never been there i heard it's amazing though something really interesting happened to me there now when i that not only is this square that we went to and stand on this earth mound and this guy whose nickname was Gorilla giving us this wonderful tour, just a spot, the most romantic tour ever of this place for such a rough place. And he goes, wait right here. And we're in this giant square. And he runs down this dirt mound about, I don't know, say 150 feet away, 200 feet away. And he goes, can you hear me? And it was like, oh, my God.

I could hear him. He goes, this square was built with these mounds here to be able to speak at this voice to 250,000 people. Whoa. And I was like, what? And then we walk. Is that right there? Is that it up there? Yes.

Well, it's okay. It's that way and then go left. You could look this way so you don't have to look backwards yeah so over here so so if we were to see that square if we were to go straight around that pyramid and make a left that's where those mounds are and and the other thing is in these that's the same shot from a different angle. That's near where these shaman lived. This shaman had quarters, like an area of this place. And there's these sort of things. And I said, what are these?

And he said, they're reflection ponds. I said, oh, like for reflecting. And he goes, no, for reflecting. And I'd never considered that you don't look at the stars by going but that really you look down and you mark so in seven years when it comes around again you're like oh pattern because i'm always like how do you look up and learn a pattern of that right right right but by looking down that's crazy so they had ponds just to look at the reflection of the stars and map them out yeah the shaman did that was like in their neighborhood and if you the way you were a shaman is if you had a birthmark on your

head when you were born they immediately were like two boards rope and just put two boards and roped you and began a lifetime of of like so you're a shaman which if you had a lifetime of that you'd be like hi shaman hey shaman i mean it's so it's like being born a royal squeeze the shaman which if you had a lifetime of that you'd be like hi shaman hey shaman i mean it's so it's like being born a royal squeeze the shaman don't squeeze the show even more weird right because you don't have a history or a bloodline of it it's just it's the study of what we are and that that is significant because i felt it felt to me immediately like well everyone can't do that we need you know you don't have a thing on your cell you know, you don't have a thing on your cell. Yeah, if you don't have the birthmark. Yeah.

I mean, that's a really good, like, entry, you know, at the gate. You know, that's the case with the Dalai Lama, too. I think they found him when he was, I want to say he was nine. How old was the Dalai Lama when they found him? But they just decided, oh, you're a reincarnated holy man. And so you don't have to work ever again. I know, but can you imagine being nine and you just, like, two toys and like huh yeah like what yeah this is the how it goes you don't have to work but no pussy ever like what what what are you talking about i'd be like mom

these they say i'm you don't know what you're missing yet yeah before you know it's just a weird choice that and then people look to him like there's something incredibly special about him. He's the Dalai Lama. But it's not like he went through this long sort of apprenticeship period where he meditated and then became the Dalai Lama. Or, yeah, out of 20 meditators, you're like, you were the quietest. Yeah, you're the best, bro. The way you focus.

No, he's fucking nine. Hey, focus on me for a sec. Get out of it. How old was he? Does it say? I think he might have been almost. I think he was a little bit older. 50.

15, something like that. Really? See, that seems like a rough one. Yeah, I'm trying to read on it. It says it took him four years before he actually took the power of the Dalai Lama. Oh, so he had to have a little. Yeah, he was so young, he kept dropping it. I'm not 100%. They're're like gary get over here either way he was

oh do you know who else is a reincarnated holy person steven seagal well duh they read they they've decided one day oh you uh you must be some spiritual creature from another life well that actually sounds right that's a fairly good description of him. You're a creature. You're a physical creature from another life. But that's, yeah, there it is. In 1997, Lamar Panor Rinpoche from Paypalul Monastery announced that Seagal was a Tolku and specifically the reincarnation of chung drag

dorje a 17th century turton that's a treasure revealer that sounded like me reading in the fifth grade it seems like it too lampor pen uh rinpoche from palio pali how many times do you think that got him laid um twice three at least, no, he's got one in each hand, right? There's got to be someone that had sex with him because they really thought that he was a reincarnated holy man. Maybe like someone from another country that didn't understand him. Well, maybe it was Lama Panor Rinpoche from the Palaeo Monastery. That's kind of hilarious. The only way to pass this on to you.

I mean, someone. Is anal. He tricked somebody. That's incredible. I wonder how many people that works as an expression for versus the amount of people that are like, what do you want on your sandwich? He's like, well, I'm a magical being. And it's like, would you just order your food? He's like, well, I'm a magical being.

And it's like, would you just order your food? When you went to the Aztec temple as a musician, when you're sitting there, did it make sense? Like the acoustics, like the way it's set up, the way the sound works, does it make sense to you? Like how they constructed it? It left a very lasting feeling of that we're supposed to be here and that, you know, it just – it really restored a lot of faith in humanity. I didn't focus on the ritualistic murder that was going on there. It was just – that's the one set of people.

The other set of people built this and they knew and you know much like the great pyramids that are really you know in the shape of Orion's belt exactly that same concept of like what's going on here matters

and if that is your focus think of how wonderful it can be you know like how did those people know how to make that with no, without the, you know, they say without the wheel. That would be like really hard. That seems insane. Yeah. The Aztecs didn't have the wheel, right? Allegedly.

Yeah. How the fuck did they do all that well at least the way they did it physically you can kind of like they we know that they they murdered 80 000 slaves in a period of just a few days after the construction of that temple yeah so that was like don't tell me actually don't worry about it i'll take care of it i think they knew that they were going to be slaughtered i think it was kind of like part of the gig yeah well i maybe i'm wrong I might be wrong about that. Well, it doesn't, with that many people, it wouldn't sound surprising that you'd have some cooperation.

I mean, it's hard to imagine 80,000 people at once going, sorry, what? And not being like, well, fuck this, man. That sounds like a cooperative event to me somehow. Unless they were somehow or another locked up and they brought them out one by one. That's an awfully big cage you've got there. Yeah, it is. Yeah, 80,000.

That's quite an arena. Yeah. Yeah. Like you'd have to build an extra one of those just to hold them. Yeah, that's like a giant football arena filled with people. It's that big. Yeah. It's that big.

Yeah. It's that big. And what struck me as just because I play music is I thought, okay, that means these acoustics are so perfect. Like how do you discover that? Are you in a canyon? Right. And you're like, wow, this sounds – can you hear me over there? Right. And then you sort of triangulate and start doing the geometry for how that works.

And like, quick, someone invent geometry first, though, because I don't know. I mean, how does that manifest itself, that understanding? Yeah, how many thousands of years did it take before they figured out how to construct something? Yeah, where someone on their deathbed is like, wait, one last thing about acoustics. Sound kind of bounces off shit. It's got to be shaped like this. With the Pythagorean theorem, you know. I've never been to any of the Aztec temples,

but I went to Chichen Itza and saw some of the Mayan temples. And it just, whenever you're at a place like that, that's just magical, that's so fucking old and so amazingly constructed, you just think, what the fuck was it like to live back then like do we have a terrible idea of what they were like of course yeah we don't know well but it sort of dawned on me at some point that was like oh you mean the people that wrote our history wrote it as from the perspective of by the way we're way better way better but okay here's the

story of these other people. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? Like by some kind of dickhead winner. Right, right, right. A dickhead winner with guns. Yeah. Like before we get started, I'm better than the person I'm going to tell you about.

Yeah. But we can't, even though we can't do what they did. Because what is the emotion when you're in that space? I'm trying to think of the right word to describe how I felt there. Right. And I guess- It's awe, right? Yeah, it really is.

It is awe. But also there's almost- Yeah, reverence. And there's almost like some strange gratitude. Yeah. Like where you're like, thank you for, I'm so thankful to be part of this, even just by living in a time to to appreciate this yeah yeah it there feels it soaks um it feels like knowledge expanding that i i don't have so i just feel like

oh if i could have a piece of that if i could understand a piece of that but just standing there is sort of understanding it right we have such an egotistical perspective when it comes to our personal civilization that we that like this with the internet and with cars and with planes and all that, this is the best way to be. There's a word for it. I can't – can you try to find such a thing? Please. What is the word? There's a word for – the word definition is to believe that the era you're in is the finest of them all up to this point.

I think... Yeah, I've heard that word. I know what you're saying. It's some kind of dickhead syndrome. Exactly. It certainly was created by a man. Some guy was like, dude, this fucking shit. Yeah, I don't think it was a girl. If it was, she was like one of them alt-right

female chicks. Don't you wish that there was a supportive mother who was like, yeah, sure, honey, you're the best. This is the best. You're number one. Don't worry about the payments. Yeah, don't worry about him, guys. He's fine. You're the best.

Yeah, it's like the same thing with the Native Americans and the settlers, that the settlers were imposing their lifestyle. But the people that experienced the Native American lifestyle, they wanted to stay living like that. For sure. Well, I think because it omitted so many of the things that the European culture was bringing. Yes. And it seems like a distinct possibility that the European perspective, like when Pizarro and all that, was know, was it 12 of them conquistadors killed like a thousand natives in a matter of hours.

You know when they land, they're looking for gold everywhere. At first, they have this belief that something big will come across the water and be their god. And here comes a ship with a bunch of dirty assholes that literally factually dirty assholes have ridden across a boat.

And, you know, I think about that perspective where they obviously were like, these people are nice. But I've had enough of this. They should have invented ships. We're better. So let's kill everyone here. Yeah. Well, Cortez and Montezuma. That's what I mean.

Cortez. Yeah. Cortez. That's who it is. Yeah. Yeah. yeah well that's what i mean cortez yeah cortez that's who it is yeah yeah they didn't know what was going on because i don't think that previous to that time they'd ever seen anyone on a horse before no and and come across you imagine a big boat and then a few horses where they're like what the fuck is yeah uh gary come over and look at this it's just it's impossible to fathom a man riding a beast they're probably, what in the fuck?

With like rusty armor from being on a fucking boat for months. Yeah. Like looking like shit, being desperately like, like, I imagine their relief when they come off on these horses with this armor and all this stuff. And they're like, they're cool. This is going to be easy. I mean, at first they must have thought maybe we could do this with some goodwill, but quickly it's like, you guys are too primitive. We're just going to take over here. I doubt they even thought they were going to do it with goodwill.

I don't think there was any goodwill back then. I think people were just murdering people. You think that there's perhaps that more people took more lives in a way, like per capita or something? I think that it was a more brutal way of taking lives. I'm sure people take more lives today in war, but I think back then it was just – it was hands-on. Right, but it seems like more percentage of the people that are alive had an opportunity or the possibility to kill someone today. Yes, yeah. Two.

So it's like if you are with 150 people, all of which have killed at least three people, that's an interesting group. And then you land on a boat. You've been there for months and you're like, maybe you are like, we got to kill somebody and rape something and take something as quick as possible.

And you have no idea what the fuck they're saying because you can't speak their language. So it's easy to just. And they're being nice. So you're like, they're going to fuck these people up in five, four, three. Like that silent count off. It's bizarre. Well, that's the history of mankind is men showing up in boats and killing everybody that they met and then kind of doing their own version of a selfie on the dead but yeah right from this side yeah yeah yeah

draw me i would imagine what it would be like if you could be a fly on the wall when montezuma met cortez just to be there and see what that was like when these people who had never encountered Spaniards before and these guys show up in these boats. With two absolutely different beliefs and perspectives of what's about to go down. What's crazy is that is why Mexico speaks Spanish. Yeah. I mean, people don't get that in their head. Like, oh, Mexicans speak Spanish. It's why all of South America, except for brazil brazil is portuguese you know

yeah i mean we don't get that in our head like mexico speaks spanish why do they say and has horses yeah spain's way the fuck over there how how is where they speak spanish yeah like it's it makes no fucking sense but then you realize like my God, they were conquered by the Spaniards. Whoa. Yeah, and a long, long time ago. Long fucking time ago. Long fucking time ago. Because of having my music teacher as a young boy drill the song. In 1492 from Spain through wind and storm and gale.

The Nina, the Pinta, the Santa. 1492. 1492, which by my watch is a long time ago it is it is but it's not you know like i had a joke in my act about the united states being founded in 1776 people live to be 100 that's three people ago that's real though i know it sounds fucked up when you hear you funny yeah when you hear it it sounds like is he right that's not right well what's funny is that's totally true yeah it is right i mean that's we just got here yeah yeah that's right the thing is anything that happens before you were born seems like a million years ago of course and but also 1776 seems like yesterday

to me i wasn't alive and i'm ready to admit that, but that seems like, oh, that is just very close, I'm sure. Fucking super recent. Yeah. I mean. Do you think it's possible that a new nation gets started? Is it too late? Because the reason why the United States got started is because everybody hated how suppressive

European civilization was. So they're like, wait till you see how we do it. Yeah, we're going to fix this. Come over here. In some ways, we have. It's better in some ways than it used to be in some ways in some ways we did more freedom in some ways we did not some way we didn't yeah yeah it's like what humans do we no one ever nails anything it's just everything's messy it's always complicated especially more people yeah because anyone that's been to a family family reunion is like has said oh fucking gary really

yeah you know well then also like the different environments that people live in sort of dictate their personality like you're a desert guy right yeah you're from the desert yeah what is that scorpion i'm one of the few people i know that's been bit by one have you really yeah and as i i was going up to joshua tree to this studio that's really just a house and was that the one that you guys uh showed in the thing you did with bourdain yeah yeah uh-huh uh rancho de la luna yeah and um but it's magic is is what's missing and i mean everywhere every but um and all that's left is like, what if you just, when the tide receded, it was just the idiosyncratic and the previously thrown away, like all reborn.

It's just got that sort of feeling to it. And so I was driving up there. And I know, I'm a desert boy. I know that you're not supposed to – at night time is when everything comes out. Right. Because in the day, everyone is like, oh, really? I mean, everything that walks or crawls is like – and so at night, everyone, everything that walks or crawls goes, all right, let's go. And so you wear shoes.

Everything that walks or crawls goes, all right, let's go. And so you wear shoes. If you do not wear shoes, you have made a mistake for sure. And as soon as we pull up to the Rancho in the dirt parking lot, I open up the door. I'm on the passenger side, and I step out. And I go and reach for a 12-pack of beer. And something hit me on the foot, and I was like,

and I lift my foot, and there's this black, dark brownish, like a root beer-y brown, scorpion hanging from my foot, going, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. And I was like, I think it was like,

ah! Like a really butch gal who's been terrified for the first time like why and i slapped it and i slapped it off my foot because that's my knee-jerk reaction and i as i did that that's when i screamed and jumped like you know like a mouse or something in the car and in the door light of this um uh in the door light this scorpion hit the ground like shuffled itself turned and came right at me whoa and was sort of like fuck you wait to i it scared me it scared me to death came back at you you imagine being that little wanting to fuck up something as big as you well you'd have to right you'd have it wouldn't be there would be no bravado at all it'd be like yeah yeah like it would be it would be a true believer right that in that moment i'm like fuck this thing and it is a hundred percent sure that it's gonna fuck me up and it was right

because what am i gonna do like i'm to hit this stinger with my hands. I just know. What was the pain like? Well, at that time, my understanding of scorpions was in our desert, the Mojave, there's two types. And one which is like 24 hours of central nervous system shut down so they can't even give you anything for the pain because the thing that regulates that gets turned off.

And so you're just like, ugh. For 24 hours you're in pain. That was my knowledge at that time. And the other one is akin to a bee sting. Which one did you get? Well, I had to track back. This was before the internet. And so I go inside.

to like track back this was before the internet and so i go inside and the remedy at that time as as fred drake who rest in peace um told me was to drink jack daniels and put your foot in a bucket of hot like burning hot water which is is a little bit like having a horse on each leg and they take off a different direction because they get the hottest water you can take and continue the pain like it's that it's such a wife's tale it's almost like a take and continue the pain like it's that it's such a wives tale it's almost like a divorcee's tale or something it's like um so i did that and waited because i didn't know which one it was it turns out that the 24 hours one is lives in another desert and more close to arizona and that it's not quite as as i've described i'm just telling you what i

thought oh right right and and it was much like a bee sting but by the time i i realized that and it swole up it swole up immediate and looked like it was going to keep going because it got to this golf ball so fast that it was like when will this stop right right. But it was like a bee sting, but by the time I discovered that, I was so drunk that bee sting, shmee sting, you know. So you're just sitting there with your foot in a bucket of hot water getting hammered. No, scalding. Scalding water.

It was like, the hotter it is, the better. And I was like, ah, don't dump it. Imagine if the fucking real injury was you got third degree burns in your foot from the water and there was nothing wrong with the beat. How mad would you be? My friend said the real remedy is you grab a shark and you stick it up your ass. And you totally forget about it. A buddy of mine was in South America and he got bit by a bullet ant. He got hit by a bullet ant on his heel, and he said the pain was so bad,

but it was so bewildering that after the pain was over, he couldn't figure out which foot got bit. Because your brain's going, like, static? He said it's so confusing, the pain's so confusing. It's for hours. Do you think that, because any time I've seen that online where it's like, you know, I'm Dingo Piles and I'm not a bullet ant by me.

We were like, Jesus, man, don't hang out with this person. No to self. Yeah, like a handful. Yeah, it's like a ritual that young men have to do to reach the coming age. Oh, that's right. Yeah. That's like jumping off on how bungee was invented with no bunge or no boing no it's just rope to be a man you jump up this thing and it's like

i'm starting to identify as a um uh yeah i i wonder what the bullet ant thinks of all this if it's like no i can never make any friends what the fuck i think they're just violence in insect form don't you think don't you think that that's if there ever was an alien that would be it would be easy to assume this little bullet ant in space that's just like and then pushes so hard that there's two of them will really be fucked up as bugs were big and intelligent if bugs behaved the way settlers behaved when they encountered the native americans i i must say i'm happy to hear you say that something i say to my kids and i've said to myself for many many many years um uh is

when i'm having a rough morning i say thank God praying mantis aren't five feet tall. Fuck yeah, dude. Because getting to your car would be a nightmare. Yeah. And you'd never, it'd just be like, you know, that. Yeah, I was just watching a video of a praying mantis fucking up a mouse. They're so powerful, man. It's crazy. Just to like start the morning. It was just sitting there.

It was just sitting there as the mouse got close to him. And then he grabs ahold of him and fucks him up. Is that a normal way you start the morning? Me just sitting there it was just sitting there as the mouse got close to him and then he grabs a hold of him is that a normal way you start the morning is me yeah unfortunately yeah there was one with a squirrel too it was uh the praying mantis was eating a squirrel it's like holding on to this little squirrel's head and just slowly pulling it apart oh there's another one with a lizard the lizard one was pretty fucked look at this mouse you would think well there's no way look that mouse is just like, oh, well, just going over here, just going to look over here. Bro, they are so ruthless, these goddamn things. And they're so fucking deceptively strong for their size.

You look at how big they are. I mean, look at that, dude. If that was five feet tall. Oh, we'd be fucked. I wouldn't. Honestly, I would stay home a lot more. I would be armed to the dick all day long just fucking everywhere I go multiple guns Kevlar suits here he goes bitch and the way they get

some is so fucking fast well it is a kind of a cool thing that we don't have to like die watching something eat us it's crazy though that there's no it's not a contest it's not that in the ear though that's i'm eating him here first what i'd like to move is that that's not that's uncalled for it's rude yeah you know he's eating him ear first if i'm hit by something that's gonna eat me i'm like don't start at the fucking ear man they don't give a fuck well really that's what you gotta hear the mouse could you make it any louder just like oh you're just like will you get in deep enough please you get this over with your fuck and then you just feel the sound at that point but yeah like boulders underwater looks like it's just crazy when you look at how big the mouse is and how small the insect is like

for mass of body weight that it's not even a contest that the praying mantis just gets it a hundred percent like it's not like maybe the mouse can get away like no it's over bitch it's a bit like that orca eats the great white's liver thing right right yeah where for for for like a thousand nautical miles in every direction every single tagged white shark as soon as that happens the radius is like a thousand nautical miles every great white shark was like so anyways they said i'm out of here and then takes off really yeah so they felt it like they knew yeah something about the smell of their own debt of that really or whatever that you know uh what is it the opula of little lorenzini that that's six cents they have oh right okay something

about that frequency for them is sort of like call you back and they just bail well that's like the bully getting bullied right like they're the meanest motherfuckers in the ocean except for the orcas right i think at this point in my life i'm like they don't have hands so they're like sorry i gotta try what's going on here? No hands. Going to use this. Sorry. Because when you have no predators most of your time like that. What's up, Jamie?

What do you got? Did we mention this before where they only go after the liver? Oh, yeah. Like creepy cereal killers. Well, they do some fava beans with it, so that's cool. It's probably very nutritious. Are you kidding? Orcas are the biggest. How the biggest do that with your mouth i think orcas are probably the biggest dick of all

because they're just like should we go fuck with that guy and grab the liver or what do you want to do well they fuck up dolphins too we know dolphins are kind of cute well big dolphins well the the permanent smile right that's why dolphins are cute they're just like hey because it could be like fuck you you. Well, even dolphins, dolphins commit, uh, infanticide. They,

they kill babies. They do it on porpoise. Yeah. Well, they killed their own kinds babies to try to force the female into estrus. And so as a consequence, female dolphins. Oh,

right. To get them back to fertility. Cause female dolphins, when they breed, apparently once they have a baby, they, they have to raise that baby for like six years. so they won't have sex for like six years. So what male dolphins do is they will kill the baby so they're forced to female to breed again.

So what females do is they become hoes. So they fuck everybody and anybody they can so that if a dolphin runs into her, they go, maybe that's my kid. Oh, right. Yeah. So they're not sure if it's their kid they don't even obviously there's no 23 plausible deniability yeah so they they know that they fucked her what is it the seven great oceans and me or something well they're really intelligent right i mean they have a cerebral cortex that's 40 larger than human beings one when when there was that one

shot and maybe it's blackfish or something like that, where they put a mirror up and the dolphins are looking at them. They're self-aware. That was an amazing moment to watch. Like a dolphin go, oh. Yeah. Like with a shower, with a hairbrush singing in the mirror, sort of. Well, again, it's like the way we looked at other cultures we we think we're better but when we look at orcas and dolphins just

because they can't affect their environment the way we can like they can't build houses and you know and create things yeah we assume they're not as intelligent we'll create things that we we would determine to have any value right right physical objects that's it but but the way they have culture and communication and intelligence yeah that to have the sonar and all that stuff they're operating with tools that were like what yeah we don't even understand what you're doing oh you mean bing i got that over here bing it's like yeah they're using sonar finding objects in the water and also as a musician a musician, at one point I went through this pirate phase of reading where you just read about, because all the logs are so accurate, they had to be to survive.

So you read pirates' logs? Like, well, the historical version of why did someone turn into a privateer, you know, charged by the king of Spain to take anything English into the English? It's a pirate. Like, how does that? And it was from war slowing down and all these sailors having, like, what do we do? You know? And the logs are so accurate and in a very fact, like, this is what happened.

It's marked in the log. That's just great, accurate history of the Caribbean. Well, that's one of the ways we know about what happened with Columbus, right? One of the more fucked up things about Columbus is, I believe it was missionaries that traveled with him that ratted him out about how ruthless they were. Yeah. They were cutting people's arms off. They didn't give him enough gold and dashing baby's heads on the rocks. But then you wouldn't be able to get any more gold from that person, certainly.

Yeah, the idea was to scare everybody else. But if you didn't bring enough as a practical thing, like, go get me more gold. No, cut his arm off. Well, now he can't even bring more anyways. I think the idea was nobody wants their arm cut off, so there's plenty of them. Yeah. Like, just kill this one guy. And the people that do only have one arm, they probably have already done that. Yeah. nobody wants their arm cut off so there's plenty of them yeah like just kill this one guy and the

people that do want their only have one arm they probably have already done that yeah they're probably one of them fucked up that the reason for the the logs is the they would talk about how whales and dolphins you could hear them singing because there's no engines on the ocean. So it's just the silence of the planet. Right, right. They're just using sails. Yeah. And sometimes there isn't any wind, and it's night, where everything comes out to do its thing. And you'd hear this communication, this vast whale song that you could hear around the world.

Wow. Because the whales are so big and that there's this communication and that they're extrapolating that there's a communication breakdown now because of the noise pollution of it all. Oh, sure. Noise pollution and regular pollution as well. Right, right. Yeah. The constant drone of success. Yeah. You know? yeah the constant drone of success yeah you know i mean that's that's where the real

horrific death has occurred right in the ocean imagine what the ocean was like in terms of like teeming with life in 1492 yeah i mean yeah because they talk about that trash the thing that really was a uh it was nutrients before that's why the animals came there. You know, but there's a trash plastic island the size of Texas. Yeah, yeah. But it all gathers there because of the currents. And previously, it wasn't an island of plastic, but in fact, an island of nutrients that brought everything in. So it was like hometown buffet for fish things.

Right. And now they're showing up and they're like, you know what I mean? Yeah. How's the six pack ring look on me? Yeah. Bummer. It's a fucking bummer.

Yeah. What's up, Jeremy? Did you see what Colin O'Brady, who was on the podcast a few months ago now. Yeah, he's going to row across to Antarctica. Drake's Passage, I guess, is what it's called, in this little teeny rowboat. Oh, Jesus. He's crazy. A couple other guys he's going to do it with, but I guess they're going to.

He walked across Antarctica. It was such a harrowing story. How did it really? I can't imagine it not being fraught at every other's footstep. I bet you do that, though, for however long it takes them, a summer, rowing, you come out ripped. I bet you develop serious back muscles. Yeah. Yeah, you know, that is a really positive way to look at it.

Yeah, it's a great workout that you're forced to do to stay alive. Do you want bigger back? You want your back to look beautiful? The crew must work 24 hours a day rotating around the clock with little to no sleep. What? They're live streaming this whole thing with Discovery.

If they die, we're going to watch it. Swells can tower up to 50 feet high. What the fuck, man? It sounds so fucking crazy well imagine it's two like 27 in the morning yeah and everyone's asleep and you're in charge of rowing over 50 foot swells and how much can you sleep if everybody has to work 24 hours a day what do you get like an hour sleep a day well you get tons of fake sleep there's the because you're tired of rowing you're in the zone look at this fucking boat too

it's a shitty little boat can you imagine being the cameraman that's the most boring thing ever on that do you see that cameraman on the back oh that's ridiculous he's got a row too though there's no one who's just a cameraman six athletes it says one boat no chance no motor No chance. No motor. They're fucked. Yeah. Yeah. No sale. Oh, God. Why do people have to do things like this? No turning back. I love talking to them when they come back, but why do they have to do that? It just seems so ridiculous.

Good luck. The impossible row. Follow the expedition. I wonder how you sell that idea to the other rower. They have to be assholes too. There you go. Bunch of crazy assholes to get together. I was thinking about running a thousand miles.

Well, hey, before you do that, I got a project. Yeah. Does it start with like, hear me out. Just hear me out. Let me finish the pitch. And then like, do you have to predecess that like that? Yeah. Or do you just gently try to?

I think those kind of people find themselves. I don't know what you're up to. Yeah, certainly they're near the ore store or whatever the fuck. There are some people out there that just can't push themselves hard enough, you know, no matter what happens. Like my friend David Goggins, he ran this Moab 240. It's a 240-mile race through the desert. He developed pulmonary edema, which I guess you get at high altitudes when you're exerting yourself. Yeah, that Everest, like, yeah.

Crazy shit, right? So he goes to the hospital. They treat him. He gets back and finishes the race. So he ran another 80 miles after he ran 180 plus with fucking pulmonary edema like what well but does that mean that when you get done that you're like good okay no he didn't give a fuck i mean it's not really in the ending days there's no end with that guy that that uh it's there's no destination at all there's no finish line yeah yeah yeah it's just like break to take

a leak i suppose the thing is they know they all know there's other people like them out there so because they're at the same race yeah not even just that it's just that they're all connected but from the internet you know they're all connected through the circles that they travel in they're connected through just but they follow other people like them online but do you think that a drive like that is more an internal one or do you think that the competition of seeing what someone else did is is a what kind of factor do you think that i think they they both play a factor it's it's other people that are pushing it they make you realize that it's possible and then it's other it's you you also have some sort of insane internal furnace.

Yeah, well, I believe when they did some brain testing on that climber fellow that did the – Alex Honnold? Yeah, yeah. That he just didn't trip out. It took a lot more to freak him out. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. That his brain waves were like, no, I'm cool. Like when you're hanging by

one toenail upside down do you even talking about him makes me nervous i've had him on twice shots yeah oh my god i i shouldn't someone else's pants i get so scared let me borrow your pants real quick those are great on you let me try them on and then like here you go dude sometimes it's not even straight up and down sometimes it's an angle back yeah like yeah like 15 degrees back the wrong direction like what i do just watch that and get vertigo where your balls are sort of like all right look at this look at this bro that that's way more than 15 degrees how many degrees is that if you had a guess 45 that's like 45 degrees right Yeah So he's That is definitely And he's

45 degrees Fucking thousand feet up in the sky Oh But But Do you have to My palms are sweaty Yeah mine are sweating like crazy

Do you have to Feel that Feel that I couldn't tell if that's yours or mine Dude That's crazy Like instantaneous palm sweat. We need to drink Purell now.

Just light our hands on fire. Put our hands in the same bucket of water you use for the Scorpion. And riding a motorcycle, I try to stay focused and be very now. Right, in the moment. Yeah, because it's a requirement. When you're sort of like, did I leave the iron on? That's whenever I've gotten in a little fender fender bender right right of course you know um and but in that there is no you do do you have to stay so in it that there is no out or i think so can you let

yourself drift and like almost like a meditative state and just be like hands i don't think you can i think if you drift you're fucked i mean i think first of all so how do you stop things well then how do you stop things like you know guess who's hungry hands up oh shit you know i mean i think he does it so often that he knows how to get into that state but you know there's also like look at that little thing go that back state of disbelief look at that little thing he's holding on with his left hand what's to say that doesn't chip loose what's to say what's to say i mean some of those rocks but talk about manifesting that you do it talk about saying guess you know it's already done you'd have to say it's already done i don't know what i think you just got to go left

foot right foot right hand left hand and then you also have done it many times with ropes but also on when you're on the ground you're like want to hang out and he's like no bro that looks like 60 degrees that's insane he's like basically hanging upside down climbing so far above the fucking trees on their blurry on purpose like like it's tuesday there you know what I mean? Most people, you and me included, would be dead We wouldn't be able to do what he's doing I'd be dead of a heart attack From realizing I was going to try And he's such a mellow guy too

That's what's really interesting Yeah, like look at that smile That's, it's like He also just started recently getting injured Right, I saw that thing Yeah, in the movie. I tell you what, though. I will read or watch anything about Everest or climbing.

There's something. Because I'm always like, well, I'm going to go for that metaphorically. Metaphorically. Yeah, like I'm going to take that metaphorically. That energy and put it into the guitar. Yeah, and put it into something else like yeah i don't know pass those chips over here like i the way i eat yeah i eat the way those climbers risk their lives see that sunday over there i'm gonna climb that thing it's just knowing that

someone like that is out there though it changes what our our expectations are like what what we think of as the the boundaries of human performance and what someone's capable of doing. Well, it's certainly there's a weird epiphany when you're watching someone do that. Yeah. Because you're sort of like, I'm doing the exact opposite of this person that I'm watching. Yeah, you're just sitting there. Yeah, you're like. Not risking anything.

Yeah, you're just sort of like, thank you for doing this for my pleasure. anything oh yeah you're just sort of like thank you for doing this for my pleasure there's a there's a moment of disconnect for me when i when i'm like i'm going on a hike i can't finish this movie anymore you know i'm not supposed to finish this movie well it's it's interesting because what he's doing is essentially a spectator sport but there's no audience until after it's done right so it so it ultimately for the for the climb must be singularly about you i mean it must be i don't know how you how you include someone else during that no thing i think it's just all about the moment i think he's just like i said i think he's thinking left foot right foot right hand left hand and he just you just keep going and you know the path well then that

would be akin to you know some of the greatest meditative minds that have ever existed. Yeah. Oh, it's got to be, yeah. Because it's one thing to meditate in position and kind of go deeply within and keep going into the depths, which are vast, right? But it's different if you said, now will you get up and climb this thing, please? Yeah. There would be a certain amount of,

no, no, I'm still meditating. I'm not going to do that. Right. Where you might be like, no, I'm doing this so I don't have to do that. Right, to maintain that mindset through action, that's a different kind of meditation because the consequences are so grave.

Like if you're just sitting there meditating and your brain drifts, nothing happens. But if you're up there and you're achieving that there meditating and your brain drifts nothing happens but if you're up there and you're achieving that state and then your brain drifts and you're like oh jesus what the fuck am i doing oh my god i've been reading about this i've been watching and reading this woman esther hicks oh yeah okay that's that lady that channels yeah but yeah but um putting that aside to not um precondition anyone, her discussions on manifestation and her explanation of that, that the physical body, that you have thoughts and thoughts are bigger than. Your body is simply a bag that protects your thoughts so they can occur. Yeah.

And that when you think something, you begin to bring it into idea, which is on the process to bring it into the world. Yeah. And so when you say, I can't, you certainly cannot. Right. And that it's okay when coming from a position of I can, and it's already happened, and I'm just meeting up with what's already occurred

yeah that there's something beautiful there especially when it's not um really being wrapped in a selfish thing but manifesting happiness and and things you love and that that attracts other that's what's contagious you know and um so I wonder when I see a photo like that about the connection. And her point being is that she's like, all day long you're thinking thoughts and acting on them because that mind and body are one. They're executing the same process together, you know, dependently. you know dependently and like that is the embodiment of thought and body yeah action together and being ultimately in that vortex of being aware that esther hicks lady is very strange i'm very torn on that because uh i listened to the actual words and the things that she says when she's channeling that what is it like abraham is he like a dead guy or

an alien what is he i forget what he is i see one of them channels an alien right but i think there's multiple people but see the thing is is i've i've kind of like was listening stumbled on that while i was driving and and investigating or reconnecting with the law like the law of attraction yeah and and how to like it's like when you get your motorcycle lesson, they tell you to look through the turn because you tend to go where you're looking. You know, not a lot of people are walking backwards and talking to you as they go forward. Right, of course. And so it sort of dawned on me the connection between just looking for something you love and not bonding or

focusing on all the shit you don't like as a as a manner of um walking towards what what you desire you know and and this kind of uh reawakening with that concept is is very it's just mere you know three four weeks old for me really um well returning to that idea because i had this idea this this concept before of like um someone's got to make it why shouldn't it be why it's why couldn't it be you let's let's let's uh let's go for it and really go for it the only way to make it is to really honestly go let's so you're talking about like your band before you guys made it no i'm talking about a way of acting regarding anything okay i love music and and music has always been my way of of um being the utmost honest i can be um and i think because of that it's that's what's helped gravitate people

that have stayed so long in that however also I've realized that I put so much of who I really am in total into the music that there are times that I should have done that in relationships with friends or people and family and that it's really,

it's important to do that in life too, you know, to be engaged and also show your real self that kind of where the vulnerability of all that is really powerful instead of weakness. It's the opposite of weakness, you know? And, and so I think, I think pursuing music that way is great but not if it's

keeping you from doing that in life and so it's not just that i would think that way so my band would do well it's that i would think that way so that i could i could do well i could be well you know right and uh um and so that that's why i started listening to her not seeing any of the opening gambit of of her transforming into um abraham abraham and not caring and not understanding what that means just going like i'm just listening to what you're saying while i'm driving right and um hearing that and the way she speaks uh regarding those things is really fascinating. I choose to detach myself from – Judgment. Yeah, because I know one thing, nothing.

Well, it's weird because she's saying very wise things. Right, but it would be a shame to get the – just because I don't – that's not the wrapper I would pick, that I don't like the candy inside. Right. Yeah, the channeling part of it. Well, yeah. So it's not, oh, you mean it's not exactly how I would do it? Well, fuck this then. Well, it's not just that.

It's like you're listening to wisdom, but are you listening to wisdom from someone who's made up a fairy tale? That's where it gets confusing. It's like, she's channeling? Who is she channeling how is she doing i also think that to be able to learn something this this again this awakening and me is so new um like it it's in all honesty it's engagement in life and also feeling a bit lost and not knowing how to ask for help sometimes, you know what I mean? And not really knowing something exists at all. You have feelings

that's a little too vague but i my point being that like um all of a sudden engaging in something engaging in something that you're that you really love not focusing on the negative part of it but really chasing after that thing which makes you feel good so you've changed your perspective you change the way you focus on it absolutely and in fact uh and in fact that i realized like um what sort of you know it's fine it's fine to be afraid of shit you know yeah it's fine it's not fine to go like nope that's not uh not that's not over there but right right to deny it yeah uh how can you get stronger unless you turn and really really look into it you know right you don't want to be paralyzed by fear but there's nothing wrong with being aware that something scares you yeah yeah yeah i mean i really um nine times out of ten you didn't need to be afraid of it and that one time you do you know

it's true and you know what it is right and and that seems like a successful and and in dealing with that too you get the chance to say um i i can do this is that lady still alive is ester hick still alive i have no idea maybe i could get her in have her go wonky i i think i think it would be interesting because you'd have to separate the things that don't fit, right? Right. Well, one of the husband has to be there with everything too. Jerry, he died. He died? As I listen, see, without having no preconceived notion and just hearing this as I drive,

when the next YouTube thing started playing, I was like, who is this? Who's Abraham? There was no context for me. I was just listening to the words. Right. And I was like, like wow it's fucking great yeah you know this is great and um and kept listening i was driving to the desert and doing this other stuff and and you know what's interesting about it it's remarkably consistent

like she doesn't say anything that's really foolish and she never changes her tune about, look, and I started to dig that she was saying we, because until I understood that she was like channeling something, I thought it was just a really beautiful way of saying we. What we want to tell you is like as if you were already there. Right. And really what she was talking about is already being there anyways. Like you will have an idea. You will form a habit of one type or another. Which one would you like it to be? And know this.

If all you can focus is on what sucks but is yet to be, just wait a sec. It's coming. And where conversely, if you were like, I ain't going to worry about that because I'd like as much time without it as possible. Let's focus on something I do like until shit gets here. That you naturally look through the turn. And as long as you're not trying to turn into a wall or a cavalcade of shit. But if you're trying to turn into something you love, you actually will turn into something you love. In that case, you should probably embrace challenges right you

should probably welcome them because when they happen they will test you and then you can figure out whether or not this philosophy is actually well i mean i have been i have been i have been testing because you know i've always like dealt with difficulty by shielding it, putting it into the music or putting it into some dark closet somewhere. You know what I mean? Right. Because that's just you're taught to do that, right? Yeah.

Like gnash your teeth and grin and bear it. Or ignore it. Ignore it. Yeah, like that's what the rug is for, sweeping stuff under. Right. Where you're like, oh, really? But that feels like building a dam or something to when really you're supposed to let that river of of fear or whatever go with it go downstream with it stop fighting it yeah because you damn all that shit up put it in the

corner bury it behind and really one day it just like gives you a massive bath of you're fucked that damn brain that whole law of attraction thing is very strange to me because I feel like everybody's trying to describe something that there's some element of truth to, but that it's really complicated. And it's not as simple as think it and manifest it. There's a lot of discipline involved in that. There's a lot of hard work and concentration and thought and doubts and hopes and dreams. And there's a lot of other things. And then also fortune. Well, I feel like when those, I would never use that for fortune.

For me, the fortune would be like that your relationships and emotional connections get deeper. Yeah, I don't mean fortune. I mean being fortunate yeah i mean being lucky like we're we're lucky we're here well we're blessed we're here but it's not really lucky and i think that's one of the main things right there is understanding the difference in thought because ultimately what you're saying what one is that hard work that you're talking about and all those things are are sort of getting out of your own way and unlearning how to say, how to be so doubtful about it all and just say, I'll take, I'll take something I like and I'll just think about that for a bit and let that be the first

step and then go, what do I keep going down that river downstream of that idea, getting closer and closer to something you really love? Because saying, you know, saying I don't like this water bottle sucks, but saying, but at least I don't have to drink it is one step away from that. And if you just keep taking those steps away and going down that river, that's the right direction to be going. Because focusing on this is like, how's that going to help you god it's got this blue binding and well it's certainly not going to help you to to think about how fortunate you are yeah is it i mean i guess it kind of is it's blocking you well it's blocking you from feeling fortunate but saying at least i don't have to drink them every day is turning the right direction and heading towards how fortunate you are and if you keep taking those little direct

that those steps then soon you get to like i feel fortunate to be here right i feel fortunate i don't have to think about this bottle of water all the time that's quite nice genuine gratitude also it clears your mind if you do have if you're thinking about positive things and working towards those things it clears your mind uh of a lot of the just the the natural traps that we set for each other yeah dumb nuts baggage those those hurdles we make are tailor-made because they're made by you for you right right how could they not work yeah they highlight your actual real insecurities and fears that you know you have that absolutely and and you go this is sure to trap someone because look and then you're in it yeah because you made it for you it's like yeah to me to trap me and uh and i think what i like about what i heard her saying

is that because it came from no context whatsoever and i just heard the words it said can you get out of your own way yeah that's what i'm would like you to think about first what is that there's an ancient tale a tale of two wolves meaning how to live your life um that like you yeah i know one wolf is filled with fear and how does that go uh my my mother just gave just gave it to my kids really how's it go um it's uh paraphrasing you know she bought this framed thing like you know um there are two wolves and uh one is anger and one is like love and and um they both exist but ultimately it's like which one are you going to feed yeah that it's it's really the i i think I'm correct in saying the ultimate goal is –

It's something – yeah, you're paraphrasing, but it's something like that. It's the one that survives and succeeds is the one you feed. Well, I think the younger Native American says, well, how do I know which one – how do I not let one take over? It's like, well, which one are you going to feed ultimately? Right. Yeah. Yeah. one how do i not let one take over and it's like well which one are you going to feed ultimately right yeah yeah well the more you concentrate on positive things and the less you concentrate on negative things for sure you're freeing your mind up and you're you you gain the momentum of positive thought and the momentum of of living your life with positive thought it becomes easier

to do right and more rewarding to do i think but i think it's also necessary to say i'm not talking about walking around in colopsia like going it's just uh um like smile smile yeah you know what i mean nice and in action you're talking about this you're not talking about this like in some sort of a random well it starts with a thought it works into an idea and then manifests itself into like a smile or just it's nice to to do something nice and also understand that i'm not talking about walking around like hi yeah you know like i'm not talking about being some goof tits dumb nuts motherfucker that's what i'm saying I'm saying is do something nice and start that way and leave it at that. I think there's something to – when your thoughts are filled with this, there's just frankly less room for me to think about this water, which I dislike. There's just frankly less real estate.

Right. You're using your real estate on positive things. Yeah, and because of the contagion of enjoying it. Because things that are positive are essentially what? Things I like. Yeah. I'm enjoying being here. So this water doesn't really, I don't have real estate for that.

Right, right, right. I've got too much enjoyment to be here, you know? And that'll do. Now this Esther Hicks thing, how did you get into this? Completely by accident or not. Meaning, you know, sometimes things just slam down on the table and say, you've got to be engaged in this at the moment to do it or not. Right. And nothing incites a change like that.

It's sort of a gift, actually. It's saying, struggle now. But if you struggle through this, it's going to get better. You know? And I'm actually really thankful and appreciative of that sort of moment. I don't mind the risk of all that. That's what it's all about. How did you stumble upon it, though?

I just was looking through the law of attraction and finding a way to change my thoughts to things I loved. And I listened to a couple. I was driving, and it just clicked onto hers. It auto-played played and there it was and as I said without any sort of judgment and I'm the last person that's kind of a joiner or would be accused of being hippy dippies

or whatever kind of like someone who's scared would say you know what I mean so it just made sense to me almost the calculus of it all it's a complex problem but get out of your own way keep it simple listen but she goes further than that right she she actually talks about your your thoughts manifesting reality and she talks about how

what you're doing with your thoughts and the way you think and the way you sort of interface with reality is you're creating reality with your mind right um right and and i'm choosing um how i want to take that and and have that mean something to me so you're finding an application for that in your life and also i'm um within the within the spectrum of all the things she's talking about i simply am looking for ways to um in my immediate life with the people that are close to me how to be more engaged and how to be more engaging myself um because um i as i said i've had a lot of troubled times in the last few years because of just feeling lost and not knowing how to deal with that. And you always put that in your music.

But maybe I should be putting it into more than just that, too. It doesn't negate wanting your music to be truth. That's what it's for. But also, it should be inspiring to point that in other directions, too. Are you bringing this to the band like if you said hey guys listen to this channel here lady no no no because i mean i'm surprised i'm sort of revealing it here it's like it's um because i'm not a disciple of anything yeah but i don't think there's anything wrong with it honestly because i mean i've listened to it too

a buddy of mine was really into it and he turned me on to it and i listened to it and i said okay there's a lot of wacky shit going on here there's like i think she's channeling a thousand year old person something like that yeah gary but whatever abraham right isn't that like i think she's supposedly channeling some ancient person yeah but forget all that the words she's saying resonate and they're also sort of like consistent across this thing and as i said before i'm i'm mining in a specific vein of like okay the people i care about most how do we how do we all grow right at each other and and how do we do that right because that is the goal the goal is to to be alone and it's also whether it's wacky or not look there's a lot of

wacky shit in religion but obviously a lot of people find some great meaning in it you can this i don't know how much there's the world is weird and complicated yeah absolutely you can get real wisdom from shit that sounds like nonsense well uh if you reserve the right to be surprised by life yeah if you really if you um to have open mind, you certainly have to unlock the door and open that fucker. That's a great way of looking at it. Reserve the right to be surprised by life. That is my goal in general in life. And also now it's my mission because it's a bit like when I used to like mess around with you know illegals like the legal sub things that like

that you drugs yeah oh i suppose those are in there too yeah what'd you mean though you said illegals i meant i meant that wrapped in other stuff so i didn't have to just say that oh but then i think i just gave that away okay now um those things those things are sort of like i tried all that for too long, and that didn't really go anywhere. So what else is there? What else is going on? Right.

So you tried drugs, and then you're like, well, there's got to be something else that's going to fill this void or give me some peace. Yeah, or like I certainly can't stand here. You're either growing or dying. Right. And since I'm less interested in dying, I'm like, what else? Yeah.

What else we got? Right. I mean, I think for a while it was, you know, my next thing is, well, it doesn't matter. I think what's important is when you said, are you bringing this to the guys in the band? I was just about to say yes until you said, are you telling her about this lady? Because to me, she's less important. She needs the lessons that you learn. Yeah, I'm like, oh my God.

Because I think I've always looked at music this way, where it's like locks. They have these concentric circles. And at one point, they all line up. And you can see through the door to the other side. And once you've seen it, you can't unsee that if if i have a song and we have to and those concentric circles line up it almost feels painful or criminal not to go to the other side when you know it gets so much better there right and and uh i feel like

what i've been kind of learning is i also should apply the same understanding to the people I care about. If there's a way for us to have something more meaningful, that's all that being meaningful is. Money is green paper. It's fun to collect things, but who cares? It's the relationships you have. It's the relationships you have. And when you have kids and stuff, it's like enjoying that shit, even when it's rough, that's the thing to get good at. You know what I mean? You'll have plenty of time to dial alone later.

You know what I mean? And so I feel like that's what I'm kind of getting from that, from what she's saying. And so that works just fine. Yeah. Well, if it works, if it works, use it, right? It's not exclusively that either. It's just like – It's a tool. Yeah.

It's one of the tools that I would use in every situation is situational. And so I feel like what's great is to have a bunch of tools and not pretend to know. I always want, I mean, I try to ask this to as many musicians as possible, but how do you guys create music? Do you write stuff out and then come to the band? Do some of the guys bring their own ideas for a beat or for a concept? Well, you know, I like the randomness of it all um and and again i i love collaboration i've never done anything just me all by myself um that doesn't there there are times when i make you make a request of people you play with we're like

i hear all of this can we just try that first? And I like to do that when someone says that in return. Sometimes you hear everything all at once, and that is a gift, and you kind of don't want to mess with that. You want to at least start from that point. Because if someone does have an idea, at least they're starting from understanding how this is. So their idea, if they they have one is rooted in this instead of being kind of arbitrary you know does that make sense and then so but it's great to hear that and also be asked to kind of be a soldier sometimes sure i'll play boom boom boom boom because i'd love to hear that all these puzzle pieces together right right right but also you

respect their their idea their vision, whatever it is, and you're just trying to help them realize it? Yeah, sometimes it's like that, and sometimes I'm requesting that, and there's a way to communicate that that sounds exciting. Yeah. And you should because it's a shame to be misunderstood in that moment when really what you're saying is, oh, my God, I have this idea. Can we try it just like this for a start?

And once you're saying is, oh, my God, I have this idea. Can we try it just like this for a start? And once you're emerged in this understanding, your ideas to better it will be based in understanding this. You guys are very unique in that you don't sound like anybody else. But that's the point. Yeah, it is the point. In fact, I always looked at that like, well, that's the minimum obligation, right? Is to not, you know. Not sound like other folks. Yeah. yeah the men without hats too you know it's like what's the point you already have that if you want to i love that song it's a great song yeah it's great because it's sort of a challenge yeah

you can leave your friends behind yeah you're like what the fuck what why would it if they don't dance they're no friends of mine yeah like sort of like drawing a dance line in the sand. It's a great song. It is. But also, those are the kind of two ends of the spectrum, right? Hearing someone's honesty and explaining yours honestly and asking for help to do that. Well, your stuff is not just unique. It's unique in itself. Your songs are different different each song is different than the other song there's like you don't there's not like a

queen's of the stone age sound well i think there's a band called weaned that i love so much and early on my first band caius that was trying to sound like itself itself but singularly and i was feeling painted in a corner a little bit by the fact that it had to be in this mode and um we toured with this band wean because who would play anything do you you know who they are sure yeah they're so brilliant and they'd play a mr would you please help my pony and we're like what what the fuck is that about and then they'd play riders on the storm for 28 minutes and it was fucking incredible they'd never sound checked it you're like what what the fuck is that about and then they'd play riders on the storm for 28 minutes and it was fucking incredible they never sound checked it you're like you just know this and and and what they were was free they said and then they did a country record with all

these professional hired gun country you know and and it sounded incredible because they were like because we can do that why can't we? That manifesting what you love, period. And so I just, from being around them and seeing things like that and then starting this Desert Sessions project, which is what I just put out recently, where it's just collaboration and it could be anything because it's not all you, you know, but yet it's you. And so it was, that's how queen started was like what if you just played anything you thought was good no matter what it was and you let every song i had a friend of mine once say to me you know not every song can be your best and i and i just looked at him and i was like why what what is that why is that i don't even know why that has to be a possibility why not yeah what if you if you see through those spinning locks through to the other side and a song could

go there you should take it there right i mean that's what we're supposed to do yeah and it's a weird pessimistic attitude isn't it like not every song can be your best and it was like oh i see you're talking about are you talking about yours talking about yours yeah i see do you remember how when before the internet like there was a lot of bands that would put out like a few hits on an album but then the rest of the album would almost feel like filler i i again that's another thing right it seemed to me at one point in the the my hope was that okay in the spirit of trying to do something different i call it on supply on demand you know it's out there because it's out there what's not out there that would be interesting to hear it tell me what what you don't think we need and let's start there

right for for just trying to fill in the gaps and beautifully fill in the gaps of what's not represented and and thereby having this limitless ability to play whatever you thought was right in the moment as long as it was honest then you'd be fine you know and uh and so that's always been i just i feel like it would be fun to try that so that's why it's so jumps around stylistically but i do think people listen to whatever they think is good and they don't care about genre what unless you're a teenager when that's important to you or that certainly was to me um why is genre important that seems like if you work at a record store it's important because you're filing these under like you know nose flute and the key of yeah i don't give a fuck about genre. I give a fuck about good.

I mean, I listen to country. You have a taste vein. I listen to metal. And if something runs over it with its truck tire, you go, hey, fuck, I'm in. That's good, yeah. I'd love to lick that again. Well, I just, it's, you know,

I like a song where you can tell the band made something that they like. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, this is another thing. Early on, when we left the desert in my first band, Caius, and we were so proud.

Like, we knew we sounded different. We thought, this is cool. And so you make records you love, and you listen to them all the time because it's like, you're supposed to make your favorite music. I mean, I was 15 years old. What else was I supposed to make?

I can't wait to make the music I hate the most. It doesn't make sense. Right. I just want to do weddings. So you tour with these bands. You're like, do you guys listen to your records? Because we would be in the car on tour listening to our records and then play our records. And they'd be like, fucking hate that thing.

And I'd be like, no. I said, do you listen to your own music? Like, I couldn't understand. Right. What's wrong with playing your favorite thing you i couldn't understand right what what's wrong with playing your favorite thing you always wanted to play but it's not out there so you create it that's all right it seems like that's the job actually yeah and how can you look how can you love my stuff if i don't right right what are the fucking chances like 0.0s well it would be

such a prison imagine if you created a genre that was super popular and people really loved it but you fucking hated it i did my first band there's um this really wonderful thing happened the fans took over and they own it because we stopped and so they took it over. The fans kept it alive. And some people gave it a name, Stoner Rock. But to me, Stoner Rock was like Aussie when I was a kid. Like the Aussie baseball shirts. I wanted to be a punk rocker. And it's like, don't stoners over there.

So Stoner Rock, I was like, no, no. And plus, I don't want to wear that. I can appreciate anything that I like. So we don't need to call it anything because i'll just like whatever i like right right right you know you could call it jazz rabbit that's the style of music and be like uh fucking fantastic but i just like what i like in that anyways yeah it's just a noise you're making to define it yeah it's charlie brown's teacher yeah oh i love that style actually it's like exactly who care right like i like what i like and um and um you know you get it flack for that stuff for not

like no sit here wear this and i understand too because it's good to feel part of something how when you say get flack for it how much do you pay attention to criticism zero good for you. I haven't read about myself in over a decade. That's amazing. Way to go. Well, the first time I did, I remember when I got a computer and I was like, oh, you can – sometimes I feel like such a dumb nuts.

I'm like, oh, you can talk to someone like who's like into your tunes it's like i and i did and you know sometimes people like to bond over what they don't like and like and also they like to pretend it makes them feel better to pretend they have intimate knowledge of you joe rogan well the thing about joe is you see yeah what he and it's got to be negative so always oh because it it suggests that we're close enough to i know his secrets you know he puts on good face for you but i know his fucking joe's secrets man so think about joe is and it's it's uh it's that's kind of an insecurity and so i when i went on i was like oh no no actually i'm doing this and they said you're

not the real the and i just let it be known uh yes i fucking am and and then all of a sudden was like hey josh how's it going and i thought oh my god this is what am i going to do go door to door and correct people's perception actually what happened in 1742 was it's a waste of my I see some people who don't have a wise sort of perspective on the internet getting wrapped up and doing just that. Because they – See them responding to criticism and going after people and – You know what? It's because they don't want to be blamed. They don't want to be misunderstood.

Right. I totally understand. I understand. My wife has been one of my biggest inspirations ever. And like that thing that I really learned from her is like you can't blame. When you blame someone, it's like saying to them, when you point the finger, it's like saying, you're guilty before you even have a chance to talk and say your perspective. Nobody likes that. You know what I mean?

Nobody wants to start by being blamed for something. It makes you shut off immediately. And now you have these disengaged people blaming each other and being mean to each other. And again, if we're talking about doing what you like i don't like that and and i also have friends i really love that engage in that quite a bit and it's a trouble spot for them and so instead of doing it myself i i try to like look at that and say oh i don't i don't want that i i love my music and i try to make it as real as I can. And I try to make it as different as I can.

And I accept if you don't like it. But if you have a vinyl or if you have a CD still, I love it. If you don't, it's still a hell of a coaster, right? It's not bad. I mean, it could be a worse coaster. The art looks cool. I need to be okay with that and accept that shit because otherwise what i'm please like it well you're also you're not looking at that review right that reviewer is

wrong you're dealing with unmanageable numbers too right because you'd be interacting with literally thousands of people every day and trying to correct them and then once people find out that all they have to do to get your attention is to be negative then i've had moments of that before because um i really have always cared about fairness and justice but especially in the last bunch of years you know it's like um uh i have to be okay with what i did for me and people don't really know what the fuck they're talking about and what really goes on. But if my expectation is that I'm going to take everyone to a spot where this is what actually happened, I'll be sad and disappointed. You're also engaging people that don't want you to be a good guy.

So they want to go, fuck you. You just want us to think that. Of course. Yeah. Of course. So they want to go, fuck you. You just want us to think that. Of course.

Yeah. Of course. And I'm actually kind of investing time and energy into like, no, but yeah, but no. Right. You're investing time and energy also into your persona or your public perception of you. I don't have a persona. Because of being like feeling strange about things or angry about things or this, I take them out on stage sometimes because I grew up watching bands like Iggy and all this stuff where sometimes you go see a band and it's scary. And it's wonderful to be scared by it. This music is like, whoa.

And everything that comes with it, it's so fucking real look out right it can actually drive you backwards that's exhilarating and also on stage that's the place for that yeah out in real life doing that like while you're at the atm not so much you know what i mean yeah but to to to cut your tethers loose and go i don't know what i'm gonna do tonight which i have done many times and walked out there but i will embody the emotion that i'm uh feeling right now and and you can go ahead and take that shit to the atm and deposit that because that's what's going to happen the problem is is if you're not doing well then that's how that yeah but you're going to feel that when you get out there but it is supposed to well, I'm willing to do anything up there.

And I don't know why, because I feel like that's the place. That's why. Because that's the place for it. It's that's the art of it. Well, it's also what you said that you enjoy the randomness of it. Yeah. I mean, I think that you're talking about manifesting. If you go up there with that spirit, enjoying the randomness of it, then sometimes the spirit will move you in a direction that you didn't even expect right well

yeah um yeah because um you feel one with your actions so in the now you have no choice right and and i'll preparation it's too late it's it's already done the the preparation is over it's like a fight yeah that like um you're not going to learn anything extra till it's over right you know you have to be in the moment there and um i enjoy that because i enjoy that it's too late i love insurmountable odds that's all i need to do something is tell me like there's no way you're going to make it and be like that's sounds great well then why do we have to worry we're not going to make it you know what i mean there's something to that and um um but i also realized like how

um i guess the manifestation aspect of this has gotten important to me again because it's what i did in the beginning and as i you know have these moments of being lost and feeling like I don't understand what's going on and wondering why, when really it's because of me. The best thing I can do, that's why the records have gotten so dark, because that's all I'm seeing. And it has to be real. So it is real, you know but there's a beauty in that too but i don't want to make shit my new normal you know my dad's always like don't get accustomed to shit you know because it's like once you get used to that you're like this this is life this is normal right is everyone cool and and end up, people you love end up going, no, it's not.

And you go, wait a minute, but I'm so used to it. I thought you were going to hop in this jacuzzi with me. The water's great. It's shit, shit water. And so I'm really like, I'm so thankful to have like a great group of a family of artists that I get to collaborate with. And like my, some great kids. I got three of them. Every time I go in a room, there's another one of them in there. You know, there's so many fucking kids. really has the courage to help, has had the courage her whole life to like go,

that's, it's time to go, you know? It's time to do this. It's like, you know, someone that has really inspired me to have a partnership like that is fucking rad. You know, I mean mean talking about someone that has had a really rough beginning um but never blamed doesn't spend pointing the finger and blaming because it shit goes nowhere some of the most interesting people in the world the ones who had a rough beginning yeah because, because of the character. They develop coping mechanisms.

The pinballing off awful and getting to wonderful. Yeah, they develop strength. Yeah. Well, and that's the other thing is the strength. The strength to go right now. And that strength is so inspiring for me. It gives me strength through her. Yeah, that's beautiful

one of the things that i always like to talk to people that are famous about because uh it's that this that word you're famous i don't know if you know you're famous it's a weird thing right being famous is a strange thing like no one teaches you how to handle that no one teaches you what to do and no advice will help no advice no because your experience is so unique yeah yeah and there's uh it's it's a very difficult waters yeah do you do you enjoy that notoriety part of it at all fucking weird it's weird i find it i i find it very difficult it's hard to swim yeah it's hard to stay in the lane you um um and um you know i think of the king of comedy i was like you know that movie yeah where it's like um jerry lewis is walking and he says my son loves you can i get an autograph

and he says i'm in a hurry and she goes i hope you get cancer yeah like it's it's unusual to deal with that twist yes yes and also um so much of the way i was raised to be private and things like that are looked at as like a diss now or like if someone says something bad about you if you don't say something back you're a pussy yeah well or that like when you don't people by not you're you're not um you don't score any points by not defending yourself to the hilt in front of everybody. But I just wasn't raised that way. I was raised to be like, that's what you – Well, there's also an issue in this day and age.

Like if you defend yourself against every single piece of criticism, you'll be lost. You will not ever have a life. You do – there's numbers. Again, when they know that you'll engage, you manifest them to come back for more. I mean, this is the epitome of what we're talking about here. And being able to recognize that, just have that understanding of where it clicks and you go, I can't focus on those things. Like, I have a beautiful daughter and two boys. I have a strong, lovely wife who's an incredible artist.

I have this family of people. How about them instead? Do you know what I mean? Right. And not fucking Gary who lives in Gary. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just Gary on Gary crime out there.

You know? Yeah, yeah. It's a weird lesson to learn, learn too that in this day and age this world is very different than it was 20 30 years ago the access that people have to you didn't you just grow up riding your bike around and like be down at dinner like be back when the sun goes down right yeah and you're like oh you mean in forever yeah it seemed like the sun you know the days were so long. And now these kids are like, I know kids that would prefer to play a basketball game than go outside and play a basketball game.

And I always think, I think you fucked up. I think that's fucked up. It's supposed to be the other way around. The video game is supposed to be not as interesting. And then you look like the commercial like we're bringing people together synergy you know and like all this shit where you're like fuck you facebook they're trying to sell bringing people together but yeah exactly i think it's the entire world in one net i have three kids as well and it's insanely hard i think to be a child today i think to be a young adult today, too. I mean, the pressures that people have. There's a book Jonathan Haidt wrote called The Coddling of the American Mind

that discusses the issue that kids are having today with cell phones and depression because of social media use, and that especially girls, so many girls are cutting themselves and self-harm, suicide's way up. Dude. And there's a direct correlation

between the invention of the smartphone and social media and all these things take such a dick move to call it a smartphone too like it is a dick move because it's it's presupposing if you disagree you must be some kind of dumb nuts like that's so true what i'm sorry tell me why you don't like a smartphone right that's so true well yeah well i know a lot of smart people that have switched i've noticed you have this shit in here is it oh yeah is that okay yeah because i'm starting a little nick video no worries man we got a little filtration system we can kick in a little i went to school with filtration nice guy have you tried to at all to kick those things? I did, but every time I have some type of terrible event, I guess I get my excuse back.

Right. Yeah. It gives you something. Come on. I'm always your friend. Josh. Come get a hug. I'm the only thing that will hurt you later.

It's not later. What is later? Is that even real, man? It's taking two minutes off your life. Those are the end ones those ones suck bro now camel ride the camel well and also it blows my mind that someone goes to work at philip morrison has a good parking spot and like it's the birds are singing i know they're like oh hey sheila hey gary and they and they go in they're like want to talk to you about this

high school campaign in burma for sickies. Like, are you fucking? It's sort of akin to like one day I had this thought, which many people have had before me and many after, but realizing it myself that there's these brilliant minds that make these machines and craft the whole thing and put a button that a moron can touch yes boom who's this who's the moron now right you you made all that shit and then you made it easy for for this mouth breather to touch button it should have been complex calculus involved in pressing the button certainly the macarena would have to be like face activated activated to do it so that you kind of look like a dick. Right.

Sure, if you want to blow this thing up, you got to kind of embarrass yourself. You know what I mean? That's a great idea, actually. You know? That's actually a very good idea. Well, a friend of mine sold a really killer house recently. She's a real estate agent.

She sold this really killer house to this guy who's in the tobacco industry. And we were talking about it. I was like, wow, that guy's fucking real estate agent. She sold this really killer house to this guy who's in the tobacco industry. And we were talking about it. I was like, wow, that guy's fucking murdering people. I mean, he's kind of – And just like, see you kids later. Buying a badass house and slowly taking away people's health. But I'm in favor of people being able to do it.

I mean, in both sides. Sell it and buy it. That's what's so strange is that i i somehow there's something inside me that um hates rules so much because before we wrote rules down there was the sort of organic rules of like you know living with people once there's more than a few huts people are like all right no yelling after two in the morning do we all want that? And no one fucks Gary. He's eight. You know what I mean?

Don't fuck Gary. And then as more people come, those rules organically change and the old ones fade away. But for me today, it's like, don't walk on the grass. It's like really the best part of this area. What do you think grass is for, Gary? Don't walk on the grass is one of the dumbest things you could say. Or, yeah, it's like. What are you talking about, man?

Like, I don't get it. And also, you don't care. You know, so many times you see somebody and they're guarding a doorway no one will ever go in or out of anyways. And they're just sitting there. And that's when I'm like, do you want a water? Do you want a Dr. Pepper? That shit is great. What do you want?

Because I think you don't care about this door. I don't either. You know, what's the – Somebody does and it's worth $10 an hour. Right. Someone does that's never there. That's why they care about it because they don't know shit about that door sometimes you know and so i i abhor things that make no sense like that i tell you i'll tell you an example of many times you know you record late into the night

and you come to at three in the morning you in the streets of the valley you come to a stoplight and there's nobody coming in any direction and then you're looking at the light red there's no one i just go after i know it's safe because the function for this thing is now gone right what am i supposed to listen i'm born to listen to the color reds i know but then there might be like some fucking cop hiding there has been i've been pulled over for it for four times really yeah what do you say well i said the same thing we're just two guys in the middle of the night who want to go home um it was safe to go i shouldn't have went and i won't do it again the cop let you go every time

and plus he had to go through it to catch to even catch up to me right you know what i mean what are we doing here you know you don't care i don't care i just was trying to go i just want to go home right and um and i won't i'm sorry you're a line stepper josh smoking cigarettes you're a rebel you're gold tooth and you're fucking tattoos in your knuckles you're goddamn line stepper you should talk I know What line stepper do you Takes one to know one sir I understand line steppers But I also I also understand that

We can coexist And be really wonderful To each other And omit something That we both agree is If we both say it's Yeah Stupid

Yeah And we still do it What What do we do The line is better Right exactly Aren't you sort of in a minimum style obliged to even consider stepping out yeah we need less rules what if it wasn't a line at all

and it just like a piece of wood was laying there and then someone picked it up and someone was like is that a line what if you're accidentally in a in a line that has no business being formed you know it's like i don, I think you owe it to yourself to at least take the minute and check that out. If they came out with cancerless cigarettes that were real similar,

that were just like right next to, like almost indistinct, like that meatless burger. I haven't had one of those. Have you had one of those, Jamie? Holy shit, man. Have you had one? Tacos with a, yeah.

You haven't had an impossible? No. How is it it's it's probable it's so good really oh my fucking god it's so good so it tastes like a burger who cares it tastes real good you know whatever it is it's good like i like i always thought the dumbest thing is fake bacon because you're like there's no you have no chance and you should just call it like yeah lakin or like or lincoln or something else like away from bacon like it can just be its own thing right you don't have to be like it's fake bacon don't let bacon hear you but we're close bacon's like heard that no you're not i you know they haven't figured that out yet but they have figured out burgers yes yeah that impossible sausage i just hork that down like it's the yeah yeah what about a just just i never even bite it i just i what can they have an impossible cigarette if they did

though my thought was people would still like if they were really stressed out they would want the real thing because part of what they want is that fuck you i'm just gonna fucking smoke a cigarette you know that's well it's kind of like the shot it's like chocolate in its own way it's like a grosser chocolate i suppose it's but it's that the thing you're doing you know is bad but you're doing it and part of you doing it's like there's an acceptance well i blame matt dylan for my case really ultimately yeah over the edge you know the outsiders uh rumble fish stay gold pony boy it's like uh like young toughs yeah you know like um whatever happened to that guy matt dylan

he still does all kinds of shit i haven't seen him in anything you're not looking i'm not looking there he is look at him looks so fucking cool dude you don't want to fucking do that shit when you're like i was i was like a 12 years old 11 years old hanging out of his mouth looks so fucking cool dude you don't want to fucking do that shit when you're like i was i was like a 12 years old 11 years old hanging out of his mouth looks so cool i'm 11 and i'm like what's cool that well that shit is pretty cool pretty fucking cool yeah look at him cigarette motorcycle jacket big smile beautiful face whoa oh i thought you're talking about matt dylan or me both of you but him on the screen you right here i'm just kidding yeah i mean it's um no um cigarettes are a weird one though right it's because they're there but they should be i i think they should be available a hundred percent

but just like i think whiskey should be available just like i think pot should i mean i put a post on instagram today because joe biden wants uh he thinks that pot's a gateway drug and he wants to keep it illegal spoken like someone that doesn't uh ever smoke pot yeah and also you know what it's a gateway to it's a gateway to like doritos dust on your chest yeah well there's people that say it's a gateway for them but i guess if you were the person who does meth because you smoke pot you were probably going to do meth anyway you probably needed meth in your life well i i certainly think that um that at the end of the day um if they took that money and then put it into less fearful things that work like talking about what drugs do and like what you might be masking by taking them yes having an honest dialogue yeah everything seems like a dishonest dialogue like we're going to go to it we're going to have a war on terror we're going to have a war

on drugs we're going to have a war on this yeah it's like can we start with a talk about it first no i have to go right to war you ever listen to gabor mate i think that's how you say his name he's a doctor who speaks about drugs and addiction and his take on it is that all addiction almost all of it the the origin of it is trauma for sure yeah childhood trauma abuse things that have happened to you that were terrible yeah and that led to you trying to that's what i'm saying blocking making a dam yeah because you think that'll stop whatever the river of pain that you should just be walking along as it's a trickle and walking through. And this is the current state of the art or the state of the science and the studies in terms of psychologists and people that do counseling that understand human beings that have addiction problems.

So that's one of the more offensive things about someone like Joe Biden running for president saying that. It's like, no, you haven't even done the work that's a that's a photo op moment like yeah and in fact because i've had so much experience with various things i got more knowledge about it than he does of course because i've been through it yeah and and i understand what why i i would do those things and i understand how essentially it's just um it's a-Aid over an amputee wound. Yeah. And what's really more important is to be vulnerable enough to engage somebody. That word vulnerable, I was reading this book.

It's called Daring Greatly by Brene Brommer or something like that. It's really wonderful. And it even went into the etymology of vulnerable, the word vulnerable, Even when the etymology of vulnerable, the word vulnerable, which is a place that's lacking armor. And identifying that is a strength because you know where that spot is. And that weakness is identifying that spot and doing nothing. Right. And so they're almost this each a lens of the same situation, but just going in opposite directions. Vulnerability is the opposite of weakness.

And I think you have to take a chance on people and you have to take a chance on yourself and not just be like, they're bad. As if they themselves, it's sort of like, I blame the devil for the things I do. It wasn't me. It was the devil. like i blame the devil for the things i do it wasn't me it was the it's the dip you know right how can how can you stand over a mushroom on the ground and be like you're illegal what is that if you say you say you saw me do that alone and point at a mushroom and you were like 40 feet away like you would go the fuck is going on over there? You're illegal. I want these picked and taken to my house immediately. Well, what's crazy is Paul Stamets, who was on my podcast last week, he's a mycologist.

He's a mushroom specialist. And one of the things that he talked about was this one particular area in the Pacific Northwest where psilocybin mushrooms grow. And cops literally wait there. People go to pick them. And then they search the people and pat them down and take the mushrooms from them and arrest them. What a dumb game. After they plucked something out of the ground.

Look at our numbers. Yeah. Like, what a weird service. So fucking stupid. Go for mushrooms. We'll take you to jail for free. What's hilarious is calling yourself an officer of the peace and doing that. Piece of what?

Piece of the action. Yeah, I mean, there's so much peace growing out of the ground there. Like, you're actually arresting people for seeking peace. I find that I don't want to ever get swept away. And in order to make my point, I have to run something up the flagpole of extreme. Because the modern word I actually like is spectrum, because it feels like a gas tank of a gas needle. Like there's a blend here that we're looking for.

And so on the subject of drugs and things like that, everything gets run up the flagpole of extreme and put into the same category. Everything goes to full. Yeah. Yeah. You know what bad is? It's all of this is bad. Right, right. And even down to like be good girls and boys where you're like, what the fuck does that mean?

Do whatever you say? That's bizarre. Yeah, that's not good. Well, and why? Because you're older than me? Your parents fucked before mine did? Yeah, exactly. Okay.

That's a great methodology for listening to somebody. Yeah. You know, I'm older. And it's like, and supposed to know more. Well, we're also imprisoned by our language to a certain extent, especially with the word drug. You know, because the whole time we've been talking, I'm on a drug. I'm drinking this coffee. Right?

So this is caffeine. And, you know, you've got your drug there. You're smoking cigarettes. That's nicotine. No, I don't. It's not even a drug, man. Let it go. But, I mean, the concept of concept of drugs like if someone sees you

with a starbucks cop they don't say oh my god look at that drug user but that's clearly a drug i mean caffeine affects you there's a reason why they sell venti because people didn't get jacked up enough on a tall a jolt yeah remember that shit oh yeah it's still here do you remember red line remember that stuff no that's red line was a thing that people used to... It was like a workout drink, but people were dropping dead of it. It's like... What a great name, though. It was a can. Redline.

Yeah, where you were fucking readily... Get the flatline. You're hitting that 8,000 RPM. But it's, I think, is more than one serving, one of those little fucking cans, too, and nobody reads that shit. Of course not. And it says four servings per can. You're like, what am I taking a sip

and passing it around to my friends? Get the fuck out of here. I love that that would be a necessity for a good workout though. Oh, well, it'll help. Yeah. Yeah.

There was some shit that you used to be able to buy that I don't think you could buy anymore called ripped fuel. I remember one time I took it and went to jujitsu class

and I almost had a fucking heart attack. I had to pull over to the side. I had to sit on the side of the mat. I'm like, dude, my heart is pounded on my fucking chest right now i i you know um i remember it's funny because um those types of um supplements you know people keep getting caught

with tainted things and you go how really is it who's making these yeah you know does that mean there's also like yak hair in there too on accident? Well, what it is is a lot of it is coming out of places like China. We had an issue with that with my company Onnit, where we sell this thing called Alpha Brain, which is a cognitive-enhancing nootropic. It's a bunch of vitamins and nutrients that enhance the way your memory functions. And we got it tested by a third party and found a bunch of stuff that was in there it's not supposed

to be in there because and this is like just random lunch no extra vitamins and shit but what it is is these companies that create these vats you say if you have a supplement company so they're all in the same bowl yeah that's exactly they don't clean the bowl out yeah that's really what it is so that's where a lot of these uh athletes get caught with like trace amounts of steroids and it's just from a tainted supplement you really got to clean your bowls you got to clean those bowls i mean i don't know how it works i don't know how they clean them but but it happens apparently no yeah in some countries in some companies some shitty companies that sell a lot of you know they'll have steroids in it or viagra in it or a bunch of other stuff yeah you buy on vitamins you

get how are they cleaning that i was like they just have to pay two guys to just blow into the thing or yeah i don't know when it's empty it's empty i don't know sometimes maybe they don't clean it at all they just dump it out dump out what's in there and then pour the next thing and they don't give a fuck well i i think you know really this whole conversation is very connected it's about the intention and engaging and um realizing there are no corners to cut that there are you know every mountain has a valley next to it that's the way it was formed that's the way it is your deficiency wherever that is is it almost like a flag your talent is right next to it and perhaps that's a really good way to put it for kids do it for a kid that can't pay attention in school i want to be one i want to be a wonderfully engaged father i i it's something i love and it's something that as they traverse the ages

and you have to keep adapting, the stuff that worked when they were five don't work no more when they're seven or six. When you've only had, you know, like 50 months, two or three months, that's a big chunk of those months. Yeah. And I think what I love about my wife too and is that we're both like how do we do this engaged in that like um that you're learning as they're learning and that that um that's can be fun too right because you know how many times you catch

yourself saying like getting upset about the perspective of a three-year-old right we're like oh but i'm not three right oh i see why you're upset i because you're three and so you think the closet actually has a monster a monster in there right oh well that's cool right because i can get my head around that yeah let's talk to it yeah it's interesting talking to a three-year-old. My kids aren't three anymore, but the youngest ones are nine and 11, and I remember when they were three, you'd have these really weird conversations like,

monsters aren't real, right? And I'm like, well, monsters aren't real in terms of the monsters you think, but there's things that are just as scary as monsters that are like a crocodile crocodile is a real thing then we would go to the internet and show crocodiles like killing a zebra and it was probably not a smart thing for a fucking adult to show a three-year-old but i'm i'm wanting to well you can't treat it feels like you can't teach the abstract to someone that's not like if you were i love the apprentice the guild system so much not the show the The Apprentice.

I love the actual, like Cooper's Barrels and stuff. Those are things where you start by sweeping the floor and you start by grabbing those rings over here. All you're equipped to do is touch them right now. Right, right, right. And slowly work your way up to be able to put a barrel together. I'm sick of touching them. And then you think to yourself, oh, cool, only three more weeks of that and you should be so ready to do something else that you'll pay attention to what I have to say. Yeah.

You start with nothing, and you get a little bit until you declare, I'm sick of handling this because I fucking got it. And then you go, okay, well, if you're that big for your britches, why don't I add one more thing? That's one of the dangers of our instant access on demand, Google this, instant answers, being able to stream this, press it anytime you want. This society is a people don't understand the value of wanting something, pursuing it, and having a long road to accomplishing it.

The gift of nothing. Yeah. Like where I feel really blessed to be from the desk because uh um there wasn't a thing to do and when you tried to do something the police the local police because they had nothing to do we're like probably gonna drive over your skateboard and you'd be like why do that why what the fuck yeah and so you so you plunge yourself into more esoteric locations and hobbies because of sheer fucking boredom. Boredom is good. Fucking amazing.

It's really good. I mean, it's so important and no one's bored anymore. Taking the extra five minutes. No, no. That's why I don't play basketball because I'm playing a basketball game. It's already going on. It's like shooting's hard. I get all sweaty.

Well, it's also, it's like you're doing something with your body and your mind. Whereas you're sitting there just with a video game, just moving your thumbs around, engaging with something. You're not going anywhere. You're not getting out. Well, there's something about the way those waves are which says you're in high anxiety you're in conflict you're in this you're you're you're doing all the thing your brain is alive your brain is doing everything that um that is associated with moving and getting in there and competition and your body it's got doritos dust on your chest and inside your belly button yeah so it's the the

absence of connection between body and mind which which when you're at your best when you're at your best isn't your body and mind one like the picture of this man who's climbing this this giant majiggy that wall yeah like um this is the this is the moment to be engaged and both body and mind because that feels good. Yeah. You know, I reckon you just get depressed doing that, playing that all the time. Some people do. And some people love it. They do love it. And some people become drone pilots.

Yeah, that's true too. And one day it dawns on them what has occurred. Well, they say that that's a severe source of PTSD, that a lot of those drone pilots, even though they're not physically there, a lot of them have pretty severe PTSD. Because one day that dam breaks and you feel yourself drowning. And they understand the connection between their actions and what's actually occurred. And the PTSD is that you are forced to go downstream and realize, like, the old way of me must be gone it must it must i must let that drown you know otherwise you're stuck in the loop of of of that realization that you

that you wasted time building a dam as if that were the coolest thing ever yeah instead of walking along the river and going downstream and dealing with the trickle as as it should be you know hey let me ask you this about cigarettes have you ever tried vaping i tried for a sec but um uh it looks stupid i mean you know i mean like do me a favor would you bring up that picture of jimmy hendrix when he's vaping it doesn't exist thank god you can't could you imagine jimmy hendrix one of those lunchbox ones those big old fat ones with a robot dick in the end of it yeah not jimmy no jimmy where it looks like a pump for a like you know like for pumping water out of a pool yeah

yeah what is that why are they getting those big ones what is the what's the benefit of those giant batteries i think it's just going all in and saying that like i'm doing this so i'm doing the whole thing i'm doing the most you know it's right it's like uh what i see those those motorcycle cars which are two wheels up front and one in the back right and i think like it's a bit like the segway and taking it to the lamest thing you could all the way there's almost something the segway is those things handle better than a motorcycle i can't handle them

no well certainly they're more stable because the two wheels are up front but right i'm not riding a motorcycle for stability. You're not, but some people are, right? Some people, the guys who ride those Hayabusa's and shit like that. Well, to each his own. I don't ever want to stand in the way of my own joy, let alone someone else's. But you like cruisers, right? What do you got out there?

Is that a Harley? That's my grandpa bike to take my gal to the movies or dinner or something and just enjoy her arms around my waist you know what i mean and to go slow and and listen to npr on 20 or listen to do you ever just drive with no music of course yeah of course i have a corvette 1965 corvette no it's got no radio in it it's one of the things i love about it yeah when i drive that thing i just drive that's why that's why i like to drive back home to the des because um you know me just being me and experiencing what's going on yeah it's fine yeah the sensations it's like it's uh to me it's it's almost like a form of meditation as well

because you have to pay attention, like you're saying. I mean, mine doesn't have a roof. It's a convertible, so I'm feeling the air. I see the stars. And you have to look at everything around you. And those cars, you really feel the road. Oh, yeah. So if you run over a P, you definitely get princess out and are like,

I do, because I have a 67 Camaro I've had since I was 14. Oh, those are great. It's my first car. Oh, that's amazing. You have your first car? Yeah. Fuck. Yeah.

God damn. And there's been times when I haven't done well or something. I've had to sleep in it and all these things. So we have this long relationship and it never breaks down. It's always just wonderful to we're wonderful to each other and uh and you feel the road when you hit something you're like hey right and so you're attached to it um and i i love riding in a caddy or something like that too where it's like you could run over multiple bodies and and feel nothing right right but but um but i enjoy the drive when um when i'm on the road

sitting on a seat with five wheels one of my hand and four on the road it's a great experience my old man um for a brief second has 65 uh corvette stingray they're amazing cars they just the way that thing looks like they just nailed it it's very organic yeah they nailed it's definitely taken off of a stingray like someone was like well it's i don't know i mean it doesn't really look like a stingray to me but what it looks like it's just that front like yeah it's there's that bit of that shaping that inspiration of the shape to me i guess yeah and i think i i i'm so uh always at a loss when it's like if you could make something and you're going to ask everyone to help you and we're going to grab

all this shit from wherever we're going to grab it from can we make it look cool or no? Not everything has to look like an egg or a drop of water. Right. And if it does, can we do that as cool looking as possible?

You know what I mean? It should look great because don't you feel good in that car? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it looks great. And it's also, to me, it's like you're rolling around in a piece of history. It's like 1965. It's like that thing was created in you know the early 60s someone figured it out and put it together and then made a production line and did the most important thing ever they

said this is where we stop yep we're good yeah and they were like this is what it looks like when it's finished a completed thought yeah and and other people are like, fucking good idea, man. And I just, I have a 67, you have a 65. I'm like, that doesn't mean there aren't things made today. It just means like I'm down with that idea. Well, it's also, it captures a very specific time in American history where they made these cars that were worthwhile. Because when you go to 77, nobody gives a fuck about a 77 anything. You know what I mean?

Like who's buying a 77 Mustang? Get the fucking thing away from me. They all look like shit. There's a lot of people selling them. Maybe. Well, I also think, too, this guy pulled up on me in a Prius that was quite new, and he rolled down the window and just looked at me and waved his hand over his nose, and he goes, stinky. No way, really?

Yeah, on Fairfax, kind of by the Whole Foods there at Santa Monica. And I just thought, this is my first car. I haven't got another one, so you've probably gotten multiple new cars. That's the only car you've had? I had a Bronco. Really?

And we have a family car. Your whole life, that's it? I had a Magnum for a sec but i never sold this car wow magnum i can't believe you never said that is so cool you never sold your first car and it was a 67 camaro like i've had a lot of experiences in there that were that were wonderful and some that were challenging and they're all it's it's incredible to have locked into that car yeah i mean but it's the shape too that's like one of the great all-time iconic shapes in automotive history that first one was like an attempt to be like mustang mustang yeah and um and they really hit it out of the park because 67 68 and. You can almost hear the Mustang going like, well, um, you know, because it's beautiful. Yeah.

But I was thinking this guy, like, I see what he was trying to say, but he's probably bought a shit ton of cars, which is way worse for the footprint, just off the, plus batteries are made on three continents. What does he think he's going to do, fix you by going stinky? He's just being a twat he's trying to build himself up again by breaking me down but like my grandpa always said he didn't swear very much but he he one of the things he was like i'd have to give a shit for it to matter and and um i just kind of chuckled um because i was like thank god i ain't riding in the car with him you know yeah because certainly he's going up to the next like monte carlo and it's like stinky yeah he's just gonna do it all he's on like a stinky parade he's driving around in a car that gets 50 miles to the gallon just

mocking everything with a v8 yeah but also like on a on a stinky parade and and that's that's a that's a something i don't want to float on. It's a lot of negativity pumping out there. Yeah. But it's just weird to roll down your window and do that to people. Well, certainly that's too much free time in my book. What's this? Too much self-righteousness.

Yeah. Stinky. Stinky. There it is. Look at that one done up. Ooh, look at that bad boy. Oh, well. God damn, son. If I could turn on my – do you mind if i turn this on i'll show you a picture is that yours that um

mine looks says it's yours is it not yours i don't think that's his isn't yours black or is your silver yeah it's silver is it like that it looks a lot like that except i don't have those actually i used to have i that's real close but that's not it fuck you internet but it's it's strikingly close for example this has no door handles and no mirrors and yours and mine does it also has a hood scoop from what seems to be a corvette actually which mine does not have and um those rims are are much like the ones I had on my Magnum, but not what I have on mine. I think that's the hood from 69-427.

I think the SS and the... That's it right there. There it is. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, and I'll show you what it looks like right now because I ended up dropping a crate engine in there, which is... A GM? Which one? Because I ended up dropping a crate engine in there, which is a GM.

Which one? It's a Dyno blueprinted 350 with aluminum heads. So it weighs like 800 pounds less. And it sounds like you're stepping on glass like in an endless Mazel Tov parade, too. Because like, you know, like a glass and a hanky? Yeah. With the glass pack mufflers. You know, like a glass and a hanky? Yeah.

When they're like, Glass pack mufflers. Well, in truth, I tried to calm that down because as you crest 100 miles an hour with the mufflers too loud, it's like, what? It's a bit like being in a B-52 bomber for no reason. Like, you know?

Yeah. And let's see my rides. I'll show it if you don't mind there um because uh it's pretty it's lovely when did you put the crate engine into it about five years ago and what a great idea that was oh yeah change the balance of the car right oh yeah and it's got a new front and rear clip under it oh Oh, nice. So it's on rails. Oh, beautiful. You couldn't roll that thing if you lubed up the freeway.

Here it is. And I got these Hopster rims on it. Ooh. God, that looks good. You know what's amazing about it is um um i get in that car and i take the kids to school or something and it's it's contagious because what happens is you feel really good as you know you get in your it's 65 and and you feel really good and you pull up with a smile on your face and go, hey. And it's a daily driver, this thing.

It's my daily driver. That's a perfect rock star daily driver, by the way. 67 Camaro. What it is is something that makes me feel really good that is not part of a crisis. Yeah. Not midlife, not pre-life, not post-life. It's just mine. And I feel like myself in there. The kids get in there.

I have five-point seatbelts, so you don't need a car seat because I have a seatbelt that makes a car seat look like you're doing okay. Right. It's a harness. It's a harness with springs that, like, slip. Anyway, so they can be in the car as it is and take them to school and kids go like whoa and they get to get out in that and that's how they start their day

it's like a little adventure that shit is tight even being in traffic people are really nice to you too they pull up and they go most of them some go stinky don't forget about that guy behind the ass of something cool They pull up and they go, yeah, man. Most of them. Yeah, well. Some go stinky.

Don't forget about that guy. You know, behind the ass of something cool is stinky. Yeah, well, that's true, too. So it's like, check out my ass as I take off. But with a crate engine in it, it's got to do much better in terms of emissions. Who cares? I don't know. who cares you know the fact of the matter is is that the responsibility

should be on these plastic companies and these oil companies that have negated their responsibility to like you shouldn't be allowed to just like shit into the air or the environment at a record pace just so you can make dough at the expense of everybody well they had a different thing

they just did recently where they did at the expense of everybody. Well, they had a different thing they just did recently where they did a satellite image of all the methane in Los Angeles. And they were thinking, well, we're going to find out where all these toxic greenhouse gases are coming from. And an exorbitant number of them were coming from landfills. Oh, just like steaming piles of stinky. Steaming piles of shit is releasing terrible terrible gas into into the air i can't i can't help i can't help but think that uh you couldn't take that mulch it and turn

it into something that would power something well i think they're eventually going to be able to figure that out you know you're talking about the garbage patch there's a guy named boy on slot i love him yeah he's coming back he just emailed the dutchman the young yeah he's got a new one that he just installed in rivers so he's cleaning up these rivers in these third world countries that are you know extremely polluted and um they they're figuring out technologies to extract all these pollutants and then you could actually make a commodity out of the stuff that they pull so like the plastic that he's going to pull from the ocean is going to be valuable. It's going to be worth something.

Yeah, it could be reused. I think it would be a wonderful thing if we could agree that there's probably enough plastic already, and to keep remaking more new probably is unnecessary. Well, what's really unnecessary is using fossil fuel plastic because there is biodegradable plastic they can make from hemp. This has been, they've known this forever. wonder drug for so long yeah really i mean the constitution is written on hemp paper and and and you tell someone that they're like well well i think it's

the declaration of independence but yeah i mean and also declaration of codependence yeah codependence one of the drafts of the declaration of independence is written on hemp but also like the sails of the fucking all the ships every every ship that crossed the ocean every great work of art is written on canvas that was made with hemp the soap the clothes that and doesn't fuck with the soil and no but i once saw you standing over that plant screaming illegal illegal you're legal hey dude i gotta wrap this up man but it's been a pleasure to talk to you I've been a big fan for a long time well I'm a big fan of yours as well

and I loved your last special between cats and dogs it was so true it was hard for me to watch well thank you thank you and your

this Desert Sessions is it available yeah it's available it's fine it's fine what is it called it's Desert Sessions 11 and 12 it's a it's fine what is it called it's it's does the sessions 11 and 12 it's a series of music but if you want to check it out if you

don't go check it out you fucks thank you brother appreciate it thank you bye everybody that was great man that was fun i really enjoyed that thank you so much that's really cool