The Joe Rogan Experience - #1434 - Trevor Thompson

Episode Date: February 28, 2020

Trevor Thompson is a former Navy SEAL, B.A.S.E. jumper, cameraman and photographer.

One, two, three, two, one, boom, and we're live. What's up, Trevor? How are you, brother? Damn good. How are you, man? I'm good, man. You're a coffee snob? Coffee addict.

Ah, what's the difference? When do you become a snob? Like when you go, oh, I want to drink at Starbucks. Maybe when you can tell the difference between all the kinds of coffee. Oh, yeah, right. Oh, this is an Ethiopian. This is this. I guess they're all Ethiopian, right?

Thanks, Jim. I learned that from Peter Giuliani. That's his name? Giuliano or Giuliani? I had a real coffee expert on here once who dropped a science on me. Cheers, sir. Cheers. Yeah, he dropped some coffee science on us.

Shout out to Black Rifle Coffee That's hot Yeah, it's good stuff So what's up, man? How are you? You did the full Comedy Store gauntlet last night I did I figured like, you know

There's a chance he's gonna be there Let me look it up Take my buddies Yeah Yeah, we're there all the time That's like what we're saying It's like the gym, you know That's where we train.

And you can see it, and it's rad to see. It's fun to see that kind of training going on with that kind of creative art that you need other people to respond to. Yeah, it's a weird art like that. You really can't do it in a vacuum. No, I mean, then you're just talking to yourself. Have you been to comedy shows before? A few.

Actually, I went to your show. Oh, that was in San Diego, right? With Doug and Fromm. Right, right, right. At Temecula, right? Yeah. Pachanga, is that what it is? Pachanga.

That's a good fucking casino. Yeah. It gets a bad rap. It's like people... I think it's just because it comes off as silly. Pachanga? Because of the name probably it's a good spot so uh last night was fun man and we we almost had like a mini podcast

in the back bar of the comedy so i'm like damn we got to remember all this cool shit we talked about you know i was trying to think like all the different things that we talked about that we have to remember um but one of them is uh shout out to our buddy andy andy stump who basically uh we were talking last night about one of the things that happened um there was a there was an event while you were serving where a helicopter was shot down and then you were the you were the replacement group yeah so i was augmenting the group that ended up replacing the guys who passed away during extortion 17 and that was a huge event right enormous huge loss to special operations community as a whole you know i was listening to uh andy's podcast with cam haynes

it's out right now that's cleared hot and he was saying that um they were flying towards fires and or you know actually this is a different story this is a different story but he was saying that they were flying towards fires. Actually, this is a different story. This is a different story. But he was saying that it got hit by an RPG at night, which is rare. Yeah. Like, apparently those things are not easy to aim. No, they're, I mean, it's just a rocket-propelled grenade.

It's, you know, shoulder-fired, and you just point and aim. So the thing isn't that accurate. Hmm. So you have, do they have a scope on them? A rudimentary one and depending on which one you're using. Yeah. So you're just kind of sort of just getting a sight picture through that. Kentucky windage. Oh, okay. And, um, so that was, uh, that was a thing that Andy could have been in that group.

And so that was a thing that Andy could have been in that group. Absolutely could have, which is very tough for guys that aren't there that could have been there to know that that's a possibility with so many dudes that spent so much time together like him with those guys yeah one of the things that we talked about last night was the difference in perception between what war is actually like versus what civilians think war is like and how much of that stuff is sort of polluted by media by movies and television shows where they they paint this picture of it and then the only people that know what it's like are you you guys you're the only ones you know the people that were actually there yeah and it's i think it's cool what you're doing and what guys like jaco are doing where they're allowing guys to to paint that picture for everybody to see how it really can be from everybody's individual perspective.

Because all of us get a different sliver of what's going on. You know, we all see a slightly different reality when we're there. Each person is different. But I think it's important that everybody gets to relate that to the U.S., especially because of how long this has been going on you know it's been 20 years of sustained fighting for a small amount of americans that's really insane if you stop and think about it because remember when we used to think about world war ii or vietnam like vietnam dragged on forever was nothing compared to this it wasn't 20 years

yeah it's it's wild it is really crazy because it seems perpetual it seems like there are guys that are serving now with their fathers jesus christ it's a real thing wow yeah right that makes sense fuck yeah you know when we were talking about it last night, I was saying, is it frustrating to you when you see media depictions of it and you see films about war? Like when you see something that's really woefully inaccurate? Yeah, it's only really frustrating when you can see that whomever put that together is doing it for their own profit and gain. Like they're misconstruing something to push an agenda, whatever it is. If it's political, economic, who cares? Right.

That's just unfortunate, especially when they're portraying things that are going on now with dudes that are really alive still. Right. That's tough to see. Yeah. live still right like that's that's tough to see yeah um i'm friends with marcus latrell and uh he's gonna come on and talk soon and um that's got to be the weirdest one you're watching marky mark play you in a movie you know no disrespect i think mark walberg is a great actor yeah he's he's a beast he's a he's a pretty inspirational dude i mean uh i like mark walberg a lot but to see that guy from marky mark and the funky bunch like you've seen him yeah like you've seen yeah i've seen you in whitey tighties what's going on i've seen you in the calvin

klein's ads and now you're playing me like that has got for marcus that's gotta be so weird super weird just like some guy and probably saying a bunch of shit you never really said oh yeah and the other guy is what bradley cooper was his buddy in the movie who was the other guy oh yeah wasn't it and uh that's right that's gotta be totally bizarre so bizarre this horrific event in your life that probably i mean i don't want to speak for Marcus, but it's got to still be in his head every day. Absolutely. All day long. That stuff doesn't go away.

Yeah. We all individually think, oh, yeah, you know, maybe it does kind of fade. But that's only because you're not the one who lived it. Exactly. With everything. Yeah, with everything. With everything. Yeah, with everything. With everything. Yeah, we're very insensitive to the way other people feel about traumatic events or chaos or things that we can't understand. Yeah, it's part of who you are.

Yeah. I don't think there's a thing that you can't understand more than war if you haven't experienced it. I mean, I haven't obviously, I obviously haven't experienced it. But when I think about it, I'm like, I don't even know if I should be thinking about what it's like. I have zero knowledge. Yeah, but it's very similar to like hunting is, right? If you're not part of it, your distorted view of whatever is going on is so odd because you're essentially fantasizing and trying to build this image up in your head of, oh, that's what that must be like with no ability to actually say that that's really how that's

like because you haven't touched it. Yeah. I would imagine hunting is not nearly as intense. No, no. But it's something else that so many people just don't get to do and they get it wrong. Like being up on stage, you know stage or performing in front of thousands, millions of people. People don't understand what that's like unless you're up there doing the thing. Right. Yeah. But the thing about war that's more crazy than any of those things, it's crazier than any of those things,

more crazy than any of those things, it's crazier than any of those things, is that you're taking 17, 18-year-old kids and subjecting to that while they're really still just figuring out life. Like, really, in the beginning stages of figuring out life. Like, not even allowed to drink. Yeah. That is really crazy. You can't drink, but you can shoot people. Thanks for voting.

No alcohol for you get your ass over there get on in there it's that's a weird one right good luck dog yeah but the thing is if you made it the same age like if you first of all don't make voting 18 no it's a terrible idea all these fucking people that are saying voting should be 16. Fuck you. Didn't Nancy Pelosi say that? I think so. I think she said 16. Bro, when I was 16, I was a chimp. I really was.

I was one of the dumbest fucking human beings on the planet. If you allowed me to have any say whatsoever into how the world is processed. Just think of the shit you thought was cool. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Well, I thought a lot of the same shit was cool. That's what's really sad. cool oh yeah like oh no well i thought a lot of the same shit was cool that's what's really sad comic books i was into loud noises and loud cars i was into like most of the shiny shit yeah shiny

shit like this chimp um fucking most of the things i'm not into maybe i wasn't into yoga or jujitsu back then other than that or or hunting or bow hunting other than that, or hunting, or bow hunting. Other than that, pretty fucking similar. Yeah. But just dumb as shit. I'm still dumb as shit, but really, really dumb as shit back then. Extra dumb. Extra dumb. 16-year-old dumb is fucking ridiculous.

Young and dumb. Yeah. You don't even have the experience. Not only that, you've only been getting boners for three years, so you're baffled by life. Right? Everything turns you on. You're like, fuck yeah! yeah dude you remember those days those were so confusing to go from being like an 11 year old a 12 year old to being a 13 and a 14 year old like what is happening in my pants the fuck is this you're

going from legos and lincoln logs to what's that over there exactly she looks good girls are experiencing it too and so it's like this, like you're playing like an adult. You play relationships until you get it right. The idea that those people can vote is like, fuck you. That's so ridiculous. Yeah, it is. They shouldn't be able to do heroin yet. They shouldn't be able to drink.

They definitely shouldn't be able to vote. Absolutely. But you can send them to war. Oh, yeah. Which is just... You can go to war on a waiver. They definitely shouldn't be able to vote. Absolutely. But you can send them to war. Oh, yeah. Which is just... You can go to war on a waiver. Yeah. You'll be 17.

Well, that's what Andy did. He signed up when he was 17. Pre-9-11. More power to him. Yeah. That's wild. How old were you when you enlisted? 19.

Yeah, that's fucking young, man. What's really crazy is you're a fucking super talented artist. Let's show these people this. Trevor made this. You say it's Red Cloud Sun? Yeah, Jack Red Cloud. Can you see that? Can people see that?

It's fucking great, man. You're really talented. So you went to school for art. I did. So I went to the Chicago Art Institute for a year before I joined the Navy. And my entire family has a lot of art background. My mom studied at college. My dad does bronzes and he actually does a sports cartoon for the LA Times. Oh, whoa. Yeah. So it's been something I've seen growing up and I was playing

music a lot and doing art and picked art because that was what I was most passionate about. That was, what, 2006? And about three months into college, I'm like, fuck this place. I want no part of this. What was it? I just didn't feel like I was doing anything with so much shit going on in 06. Oh, okay. Yeah.

And, like, both my granddad served and great granddad served, and we've had a lot of military history. So I think that subconsciously I felt a little bit of an impetus to do that. Like, Hey, maybe I should just give it a go. And if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do the hardest thing I can figure out. Thought about it. I'm like, yeah, mom and dad. So I'm dropping out of school i'm gonna go be a navy seal and i can only imagine the other side of that phone like what the fuck is going on how high is he what is happening over there so you made a phone call from college oh yeah wow where were you going to school chicago art institute and your family lives in la LA. Oh Jesus. Yeah in Westlake. Wow. Yeah. How'd they

handle it? Pretty well. Yeah? Way quieter than I expected. I think they thought that I would just like wash it out of my system before I really did it and so I think they were a little extra surprised when I told them like a week or so later that I put a leave of absence in. Like, yeah, yeah, I'm really not coming back to school. Wow. I'm just going to come home and train for this. Fuck. Yeah.

Yeah, I can only imagine, man. My friend Cam Haynes' son is a Ranger now. Oh, that's right. He just recently deployed. I'm hearing that. And for him, it's a really crazy struggle you know in in in his head it's like for one he's proud of his son yeah and and honored and and you know there's that expression if not my son who's yeah and but on the other hand it's like wow his son is deploying he's

going overseas and he's involved in operations. It's for real, for real. For real, for real. Coming from a family that we have had a lot of family members have seen combat, it's for real, for real. And they got it. And I saw that once I graduated. I could really see that. I could see how it was affecting them.

And it's tough to see, but I really wanted to do that thing and you know you're just a kid like yeah i thought i understood what i was getting into and how that was going to affect my family and you know i mean i barely now get it like i barely now see and how old you know 32. yeah i could only imagine yeah i mean, we're only talking about 13 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. So what we're talking about was the difference between the way the media depicts it and the way it is.

Is there anybody that's got it right? Is there any movie that you watch? You go, that's pretty goddamn close. I don't know. They're all close watch? And you go, that's pretty goddamn close. I don't know. They're all close-ish, you know, but a lot of them are very Hollywoodized. They have to be. I get it. Right.

You know, I understand. They're telling a story. Right. You know, unless they're doing a documentary, it's just a story. But, like, I can say that that saving Private Ryan was super close. Obviously, I wasn't for that. But my dad's dad said he had to step out of the theater when he went to go see that. Wow.

Because he could smell diesel. He remembered it. It was that strong of a memory for him. Yeah. Fuck. Was he at Normandy? No. He did comet landings in the South Pacific with the Marine Corps.

That fucking opening scene when they were on the beach. It's tough. Fucking nuts, man. The idea that that was the only way that they could handle that situation, that they had to do it that way. Imagine being one of those guys that has to get off those boats. That was their good, better, best scenario. Yeah.

Yeah, this is how this has to happen. How many people died that day? Thousands. I'm not positive on that, but it was thousands of people perished that day. There was something that someone did to commemorate the anniversary of the event, and they did something that represented every body of everyone who died, and they did it on the beach with a number. Here it goes.

425,000 Allied and German troops were killed, wounded, or went missing during the Battle of Normandy. Fuck. 209 Allied casualties. Jesus Christ. It's fuckingesus christ it's fucking insane that's fucking insane i mean i remember my granddad has and i knew he had told me these things before i joined about storming a beach in the south pacific and everybody left right front and back of him dying. Going up the sand. God damn it.

Yeah, so. But those are the kinds of things that it's tough to, that's fucking insane. That's the thing. They did it all over the sand, and it represents all the different people that died. And it's just everywhere, everywhere you look. So that if you were a person who really had this abstract idea that this war went down there, that gives you a visual representation of what it must have looked like.

Yeah. You can kind of almost get it in your head. Like it makes it more visceral. Yeah. Just look and see that many fucking bodies. And that was the best case scenario for these guys. Yeah. That's the best case scenario.

That's why they did it that way. Yep. It's terrifying. God damn. You know, and it's stuff like that, or like a month before I went to Afghanistan, it was about a month, is when Extortion 17 happened.

I'm like, fuck. I'm going there to replace those guys. It makes it really, really, like, some things sound home really well and some things don't and for me that did what was your first appointment like so my first one was with uh a team out in hawaii where we were doing submersible work so i drove like a 22 foot mini sub for five years really oh yeah and uh we were doing some like waterborne activities and how deep does it go that's classified oh really but yeah uh it can go

it can go really deep yeah but it's a it's a wet submarine so we're on we're on scuba it's all like you're you're in the water not just underwater? Yeah. So you're wearing scuba gear while you're piloting this thing? So the water gets in there? Yep. Whoa. It's like a, you can probably pull up a picture of it. Bro, that's a mind fuck, a top of a mind fuck. SDV.

Just being in a scuba is crazy, but being in a scuba gear inside of a fucking submarine. With the door shut. Oh, Jesus Christ. So so how much air you got in there enough that's what it looks like there she is oh that's nuts that's the boat oh so it's like a convertible it no no so um behind those dudes yeah those doors are sliders so you shut them so because it can drive relatively fast where like if you had them open, like shit would be like. Bro, that looks like something from a fucking James Bond movie.

That doesn't even look real. It is like something from a fucking James Bond movie. That's crazy. When we train in the daytime, it is bananas. It is wild to drive that thing. I can only imagine. Because you're landing on the back of a submarine. It's 22 feet long.

Ish. I mean, that's what I recall fucking a that looks cool it looks fake like if i saw that in the movie i'm like they don't have one of those yeah that's bullshit it does doesn't it it's like a human torpedo yeah that's what it looks like it looks like a fucking missile it is fucking it's pretty cool wow so that is wild there There's a ton of those things that other countries have. They've been using submersibles since the First World War. When did they first invent submarines? The First World War?

No, no. I think the Revolutionary War, there was a guy that paddles ass around in a barrel. It's like an oak barrel. Yeah, it's crazy looking. Wow. It's like, oak barrel. Yeah, it's like crazy looking. Wow. It's like, I'm just going to go. Can you imagine the first gangster to fucking climb into a metal dick

and slide it in the ocean? Look, I got this. Even the guys that went the deepest did it like in the 30s or 40s and no one's been able to do that again. What? They did it in some weird... Yeah.

Really? And they had a window that was like four inches across. Oh my God, that's so crazy. I think it cracked when they got to the bottom oh no really oh shit oh my god you imagine what because nobody did it before so it's all just calculations every time you actually get down there and then then you think like back to your

question how much hair do we got oh my god i guess we have enough oh my god yeah that to me freaks me out about more than anything in the water as a submarine. The idea of being in one of them tubes and sliding around and not being able to see using sonar. Boop. And you think like, what's in the water? There's some big ass animals in the water. Big ass animals. Big ass animals.

All they have to do is bump you and create a little stress fracture. I've seen whales and sharks and dolphins and all sorts of crazy shit down there. What kind of crazy shit? Oh, man. We were on the bottom once and we saw this like scorpion crab looking thing like walking around on the ground. It was like this tall. So you're making like a Great Dane? Yeah.

Real? But like a crab. A crab like Great Dane? Underwater. Underwater. This is ridiculous. I don't A crab like Great Dane? Underwater. Underwater. This is ridiculous. I don't know what it was, but it was terrifying. Is that an undocumented animal?

I'm sure it's documented. There's a bunch of those weird spider crab looking things that walk around. Fuck. Well, they don't know what everything is in the ocean, right? They're constantly pulling up new shit. Like, look at this thing. It's like the size of a car. new shit like look at this thing it's like the size of a car like well what's really weird is those really really old ones at the bottom that people have they only come up when they get like

a tsunami washes them ashore have you ever seen those websites dedicated to like the stuff that was in the thailand tsunami i go way down the rabbit hole on some of that crap those things don't even look real well and they've pulled've pulled like, I think they recently got a whale that had a spear tip in it from like 200 years ago or 150 years ago. So it's a currently living whale? Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. So 150 years ago during the Moby Dick days, someone harpooned it.

Yeah. And it lived. I think that I have heard this recently. Yeah. Wow. Dude, these animals are crazy. I mean, those Greenland sharks live to be like 300 or something. No shit.

Yeah. That's what they, isn't that what they think that, that's one of the theories about the Loch Ness monster, that it might be some sort of a landlocked Greenland shark. Yeah. Yeah. Or just people are full of shit. I'm going with number two.

I'm going with number two. Like how you feel about Sasquatch, that's how I feel about that shit. There's enough scary shit out there. Yeah. We don't need to make up a Loch Ness monster. It doesn't make any sense. No. I just think that people see things in the water

and then they exaggerate the size of them and the next thing you know, they're telling a story. There's probably some shit in there, like some eels. I'm sure. Or maybe a sturgeon or something like that. Sturgeon are huge, the size of them and the next thing you know they're telling a story there's probably some shit in there like some eels i'm sure or maybe a sturgeon or something like that sturgeon are huge the size of this desk they're so big and if you saw one from a distance at night you would assume that that was a monster or an alligator gar alligator gar yeah oh here it is scroll down please so i can see the title whale survives harpoon attack 130 years ago to become the world's oldest mammal. Look at that harpoon, too. Bowhead whale.

I'm glad I wasn't full of shit. Wow. Embedded in his neck. Wow. Is that not insane? It was caught off Alaska. So how'd they catch it? It says biologists claim the find helps prove the bowhead is the oldest living mammal on Earth.

It says a 13-centimeter arrow- shaped fragment dates back to around 1880. Wow. Meaning the 50 ton whale had been coasting around with this freezing Arctic waters since the Victorian times. That's nuts, man. Wild. And since they never took calves, they estimated the bowhead was several years old when it was first shot. And about 130 when it died last month. Oh, so it died.

God damn. And it probably died because they caught it. I mean, they can't be good for it. Yeah, it's just weird how many different things they used to do with the whales. They used to turn them into lamps. They used to lamp oil and shit. They used to eat them? Yeah, they still do.

In, I think, parts of the frozen north. The Faroe Islands, too. Yeah. What does it say, Jamie? Fired from a heavy shoulder gun, the Harp 2-1 was attached to a small metal cylinder filled with explosives and fitted with a time fuse so it would explode seconds after shot into the whale. Jesus Christ. That's so dark. The weapons manufactured to a New England factory about 1880

and said it was rendered obsolete by a less bulky darting gun a few years later. So they'd shoot into it and said even though the device probably exploded, the bowhead was protected by a one-foot-thick layer of blubber and thick bones used to protect, used to break through the ice one foot thick to breathe out of the surface. Imagine that fucking thing can break through a foot thick of ice. That's insane. That's insane.

I was ice fishing on four inches of ice just a couple of months ago. Yeah, you could drive a truck out on that stuff. Yeah. And it's breaking through with its head. We're such bitches. Oh, yeah. Deprived of whales. We're such bitches. Oh, yeah. Compared to whales. And you got to think,

they only invented that explosive arrow tip after a couple, you know, Moby Dick misadventures. Yeah. Oh, you got dragged under in those days. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah, row out there. Yeah, yeah, just like poke it.

We got you. Yeah, how did they kill it before they had big boats? They must have had to have a shit ton of boats and surround it and everybody throw one in there and just keep doing it. I'll take none of that. kill it before they had big boats they must have had to have a shit ton of boats and surrounded and everybody throw one in there and just keep doing it i'll take i'll take none of that it's just it's a there's certain animals that you just feel real bad when they die and whales are one of them it's like they're just too smart they're too smart they're too big and they're

too majestic and how much do you need a lamp? Isn't there other ways to make a lamp? Or lipstick? They use them for lipstick and shit? Just like reading the daytime. Just relax. Well, apparently, shark's liver is something that a lot of makeup and moisturizers and stuff have in it. No shit? Yeah, they did this DNA test on certain makeups, and they found out that shark liver, for whatever reason,

is like this excellent moisturizer. How good do you think that makes vegetarians feel? Like, yeah, you're just wiping some shark liver all over your face. No big deal. That's fine. Vegan makeup sucks, I'm sure. I was looking for some of the animals from the tsunamis, and I found an interesting story I hadn't heard yet.

Oh, yeah? Sea creatures still arriving in the U.S. on plastic debris from the Japanese tsunami eight years ago. Whoa. Perfect. Marine biologists don't know how long different species can survive adrift in the open ocean. Some may become invasive when they reach new shores. Wow. Something like 300 different kinds of animals have made it over to the shore.

That's like a Starbucks takeout cup. Yeah. I think that's like one of those pictures they use all the time. Yeah. So the tsunami washed boats, plastic docks. Oh, I know that in San Francisco they would find stuff that was like Japanese writing on it, like some stuff that had drifted across. But the fucking weird animals, the weird animals that they found on the bottom of the ocean,

they're weird, heartless-looking fucks. Yeah, like half of them are blind and see-through. Yeah, yeah, and they're luminescent. Like they have color, light that comes out of their body. What is this one? Bioluminescent. Yeah, that's what the word is right all the weird stuff they found yeah anyway yeah so when you were under that thing like you did you come in contact with any animals did anything bump the the no i think the close the closest we ever came was some dolphins were close.

Do they get curious? They do. And you can hear them. You can hear them. Oh, when you're under there, right? The clicking. Oh, yeah. And whales, too.

We were in Maui doing some training, and we heard some whales as they were migrating. Yeah, I've seen them in Maui a bunch of times. They were close. Yeah, we did a boat thing where you go out and try to find the whales. Fucking cool. It's wild, man. You don't realize how big they are until you're right next to them. Yeah, you're up next to it and you're like, oh, that's a school bus.

Yeah. With a brain. Yeah, and a smart school bus. Yeah. And then orcas, those are the freakiest. Those are just giant dolphins. Yeah. But they eat dolphins.

Yeah, I want no part of that either. They're really nice to people, though. That's what's really interesting to me about orcas is that in in captivity is the only place that they've like documented that they've actually hurt people that's right kill people in the ocean they actually help people sometimes like people fall in the water they like help them up onto the boat like i don't know why they would do that like why do they like us with their fucked dolphins up maybe they're so smart that the ones out there are like don't take me don't take me i'm just gonna help you out like pick another right maybe they're so smart that

they're like listen these motherfuckers have guns and they have planes and they can shoot guns out of planes we don't have thumbs yeah let's just help them back on the boat let's be their friend get them out of here. Yeah. This, the fact that we're still here in 2020 and they have SeaWorld, where they make those fucking things do tricks for fish. Oh man. That shit is dark. It's super dark.

It's dark. That might as well be slavery. I. It's like a different animal. I mean, a different kind of human. I feel so bad. Or a different kind of intelligent creature that you're. Yeah.

Keeping in a fucking swimming pool i feel so bad for all of them in not just like not just the aquariums but like zoos too it kills me like you go somewhere and yeah like oh there's polar bear that's really cool they painted the whole place like it's snow yeah meanwhile it's fucking 65 degrees yeah it's like come on yeah i understand they're doing a lot of good work in the back end but yeah do we really need to put them on display like i know it's weird like a gift shop i went to this uh wolf connection recently um which is uh like a wolf sanctuary out near uh palmdale and uh these people are doing great work they're really

nice people they're taking care of these wolves. And it's mostly like people get wolves and try to keep them as pets and they realize they can't. They can't control them at all. They're like a quarter wolf or eighth wolf type of animal? Some of them, but most of them are like seven eighths wolf. Like there's a lot of wolf in a lot of them. One of them was like all wolf. Oh my God.

A couple of them were all wolf. But you feel bad when you're out there because you want those fucking things to be free. Yeah. Like you see them and you're like, I love the fact that you're taking care of him i love the fact that you care but but i wish they were just out there running around like you don't belong in here yeah you belong somewhere in montana and they castrate them oh god they fix them because they don't want to make them babies isn't it isn't it weird how we kind of whitewash that statement yeah it's it's a fixed animal. Yeah. You fucked it up. No, you cut his balls off.

Yeah. Just say it. Say what you did. And everybody does that. And it's a weird thing, man. I went to a vet once with my old dog, Johnny Cash. And when I brought him in, the vet goes, she touches his balls. She goes, why does he still have these?

I go, because they make testosterone. And that's what keeps him healthy. Like, what are you talking about he was born with those i'm not there for a reason i'm not gonna let him fuck dogs in heat and make babies he's with me all the time he's not gonna disappear yeah it's not like he's gonna fucking get out make a bunch of babies like this is a well-cared-for dog in a nice yard like he's good trust me yeah he doesn't have to get his balls chopped off and my vet um that i had a vet who was a good friend who went up dying and a drunk driving act some fucking asshole

slammed into him but he told me he goes it's not necessary he goes and it does affect the dog's energy level it does affect the dog's hormonal growth like whether if you do it when a dog's really young they never grow to full maturity they sort of stay like a puppy for a long time yeah and i had a dog like that that we got um it was a rescue dog well actually wasn't a rescue dog we got him from a pet store and he had been castrated really young pet store so you did rescue him yes i guess i did yeah it wasn't my idea my wife got him but he was a bitch. He just hated every other dog. He'd growl at you.

He'd growl at kids. He just was always insecure because he never grew up with testosterone. When he was little, he was clipped. Never gets a boner. Yeah. When we got him, he was like six months old. He was already clipped. It's really just us as humans being lazy as an animal owner.

Yeah. Right. Right. You don't want to control it? You don't want to train it? Let's just castrate it so it can't make babies. This is how we're going to do it. Yeah. And we want to make it that that's the standard. Spay and neuter your pets, Bob Barker says. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you don't have to spay and neuter your pet.

Females, it's different because they will bleed all over your house and they go in heat. It's a different animal. I mean, I understand it, but still. Yeah, but still but still like yeah come on right right yeah it's your choice to own that thing right or to partner with it really unless it's a cat oh yeah because that motherfucker will spray all over your house if you have a male cat you better cut his balls off i had a male cat that did it anyway he was a wild cat i caught he was feral and uh he would piss all over my fucking house, man. He would just lift his tail up and spray, like right in front of you.

Like, you little fuck. That's when I had to get him fixed. I had him get him fixed. It was like, I guess he was probably six or seven months old when I finally had to get him fixed. And I could pet him, but I could only pet him if I moved towards him slowly. Like, we had a weird relationship, me and that cat. I mean, it's basically a lion. It's just, it's only five pounds.

Yeah. It would fuck you up. Oh, dude, he tried to fuck me up. He was feral. I mean, it was really feral. Like, when I got him, he was a baby. And my friend actually found him. Her and her boyfriend were staying at this apartment.

actually found him uh her and her boyfriend were staying in this apartment and below the apartment there was like this opening and like those like a you know little crawl space area and this cat had a bunch of kittens so her and her boyfriend rescued these kittens and then she started giving them away to people and i'm a sucker so i'm like i'll take one of these and i got a home and it was like pissing at me and i had to lock myself in a room with this cat for like two or three days. I just brought books. I put a litter box in there. Oh, man. I brought books and I put a bed in there.

And just me and this fucking cat in this guest room of my house. We're going to be friends. We hung out together for days. Dude, it was crazy. Like I'd pet him. He'd be like. He would purr so loud when I pet him. He was so happy.

And then as soon as I let him go, he'd be like, hiss, try to fucking climb up the curtains. I'm like, oh my God, this is never going to work out. I was like, what have I got myself into? What did I volunteer for? And then my other cat was outside and she was like, dad, what the fuck are you doing in there with this cat? This is crazy because i couldn't couldn't have her but once that helped when uh i let her in after like a day or

two and she would come right up to me and start purring i'd pet her and the cat was like oh okay he's not eating her hmm maybe he's not gonna eat me either and but by the time he was getting older and developing you know he was getting ready to breed he just started spraying all over my house so i had to capture him and bring him to the vet i'm sure that was entertaining dude it was a battle i mean a fucking battle just me and him locked down in this bathroom and i was trying i wound up throwing a robe over him wrapping him up in towels then stuffing him in a hamper and then taping the top of the hamper oh my god and then bringing him to my friend dr craig and go bro i got a fucking wild cat that i need to spay and he just looked at me like what are

you talking about and it's like wow and that has balls removed like bro this has to end yeah it's weird what we do with animals man but And that has balls removed. Like, bro, this has to end. Yeah, it's weird what we do with animals, man. It is. But you can't really let... Look, feral cats, wild cats in particular, outdoor cats, are responsible for billions of deaths. Billions. Yeah.

Have you ever seen the numbers? It's crazy. Like small birds, mice. Small birds and rodents. It's in the billions. And that's just in North America. They don't call them mousers for nothing. Yeah.

It's a stunning number. Yeah. But you can learn from those little fuckers. Like you want good spot and stalk tactics. Oh, man. If you're a bow hunter, watch the way a cat moves. Like the way they have their front paw. They don't even put it down yet.

Like not yet, not yet. He's looking, he's looking, he's looking. Slowly, slowly. And they have it from the jump. Get lower. Nobody has to teach them shit. I mean, from the jump they have these instincts. And that's a house cat.

Yeah. A house cat. Yeah. It's not a mountain lion. It's not a tiger. That's a house cat. Have you ever encountered a mountain lion? Didn't we talk about this?

We did. We did talk about it. So I saw one when I was young. Oh, that video is one of my favorite videos. Play that again, Jamie. This video is this fucking deer going to a drinking. I'll just have a little drink of water here. It's nighttime.

Look at the eyes behind him. I'm safe. Here come the eyes. That's a rap sign. Boom. Like a fucking super athlete. Mouth first Yeah

Into the throat Yeah I got you bitch And then the claws just grab a hold So they can get a good clamp down on the throat Dude Big cats are scary Dude there's a

Well that's what I was telling you Tohono Ranch They have a Camera trap Over a water hole And in that one pond They found 16 different cats, 16 different big ass predatory cats.

Yeah. They're everywhere. Eating a deer day or whatever they do. Yeah. Probably one a week for sure. Oh yeah. You know, that's why California doesn't have any deer.

California. This is the fact. This is very hard to find deer out here. They should be everywhere, right? If you think about the fact that no one's hunting them, where are all the deer? Coyotes and mountain lions. That's where all the deer are. And it's a trickle-down thing, right? There used to be

grizzly bears. There used to be a lot of other predators that would push those things around because they keep those numbers down. Cats aren't going to breed like that if there's, if there's grizz or wolves that are also feeding on the same food source. Yeah. But there's none of that.

So the cats are like, let's fucking do this. Yeah. It's so weird. It's weird that people don't recognize that it's not good to keep them in high numbers around people. Yeah. You know, they wind up killing them, but they them, but it's all done under cover of darkness. It's all done by state game wardens or regulators.

But then they don't sell the tags for that, so they don't make any money off of it. Which they could. Yeah, they could. Go right back into conservation. Well, it's the craziest thing to say. I've said it to people and they're like, there's no way. Mountain lion supposedly is one of the best tasting meats you can eat. I've heard the exact same thing. They say it's like a superior

pork. And this is not just from one person. Green Tree told me that. Adam Green Tree told me that. Steve Rinella told me that. Fucking everybody tells me it. They say it's delicious. I've heard. Yeah. Ryan Callahan said he did like a slow I think he slow cooked a Mountain Lion quarter on the Traeger.

He said it was spectacular. What a cool thing to tell house guests. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so we're going to have some slow cooked mountain lion. Yeah. That's a weird one, though. You kill a mountain lion, you better not put that shit on social media. Oh, my God. You get hammered for that.

Yeah. I mean, people already get upset about pigs, and those are tearing up the entire universe. Bears are a big one. Oh, yeah. And also because they don't understand that tearing up the entire universe. Bears are a big one. Oh, yeah. And also because they don't understand that you eat bear and that bear are delicious. Yeah.

And that you have to kill them. It's like that's an animal that you actually have to kill. I have bears in my freezer. Yeah, me too. It's good. Yeah, they're good. Yeah. Yeah.

And that was your first hunt, right? It was. Yeah. That was a hilarious phone call. Well, you had only been doing archery for how long? Zero. I had been doing archery for a grand total of no time. Really? Oh, yeah.

So you learned on the fly. So Andy gives me a ring. And he's like, hey, man, somebody dropped out of this hunt. Do you want to go? I'm like, yeah. No questions asked. OK. And he goes, all right, here's some shit you got to do it's like

you have to book a ticket to kansas i'm like when he goes next wednesday whoa so essentially i like i think it was like a week or two i flew out to meet dud and andy and uh chad mendez was out there they were doing a turkey hunt and i was just there to like watch and observe and learn how to shoot the bow from dud. So you flew out, never shot a bow before. Never touched one. Never touched a bow before. Never touched one. John motherfucking Dudley. The Yoda.

Is coaching you in Kansas. Yep. In a barn. Wow. In a barn. Yeah. Wow. Dude, that guy's so selfless with his time.

I have told so many people I've never met somebody at that kind of station in life that gives away more of their time. No, he's crazy. It's incredible. He's a real evangelist for archery. Yeah. Thank you, John. Yeah, no, he's awesome. Yeah.

He's changed the way so many people approach archery, too. Oh, yeah. From a technical standpoint. He's changing the game so many people approach archery, too. Oh, yeah. From a technical standpoint. He's changing the game. Yeah. 100%. It's such a – this is another thing we were talking about last night, too, that it's such a therapeutic thing for veterans.

Yeah. It's so – because, you know, it's such an intense activity, and it's such an – there's such a deep learning curve. There's so much to get from it it's a forever sport yeah you will never be perfect at archery yeah never and if you think you ever will be just look at duds social media channels and that fucker shoots every damn day yeah and every day he's like oh yeah i could be better and you can always make a bad shot absolutely you can everybody can screw up yeah yeah archery is a weird thing man but the success that you do get from it it's so like i've

i've hunted with a rifle before and it's very satisfying like it's great to eat that meat i have to it's great i mean it really is the best meat in the world and any way you can get it is great you know through ethical means yes but the difference between the way it feels when i'm cooking an elk steak that's from a bow hunt versus something that i shot with a rifle it's not even comparable yeah it's uh it's something special to because you're you're so close to those animals too like yeah what's a bomber shot with a boat a hundred yards i've never even attempted something like that but that's what i mean like that would be ridiculous that's an offhand shot with a rifle barely yeah you could probably do it with irons pretty

reasonably if you were a decent rifle shot. Yeah. Yeah. If you could line the sight up. People are shooting shit at a thousand yards. Yeah. It's something special when you close in on an animal and you can hear it eating. Right. Right? Yeah.

You hear it breathing. You can hear your heartbeat in your ears. And you see its ears twitch when the bow gets drawn back. And you're doing the, and you're like, like doing the, okay, I'm trying to be calm. So your first hunt, you go on an archery black bear hunt. Yeah. So you had zero time, Dudley out, does he fit you with a bow?

About four weeks, yeah. So, well, he had me go to Bob's place to Fromm's okay so hats off to Bob from performance for measuring me for that's in San Diego and he knew that I was going in there um to get measured for dead so like I let him know ahead of time so he took a lot of time out of the day to help me fit and feel and like this is what this is going to be like and you know more than happy to help it It was great. Um, I show up, dad opens up a case and he's like, here it is. Arrows built, bows built. Wow. Oh my God. Super cool. Teaches me how to shoot. And then he's like, all right, dude, you got four weeks every day. And I'm going to need to see

videos the first whole week. that's such a crash course to go from just shooting a bow to four weeks later you're doing a fair chase wild bear hunt yeah that's so crazy and you know what 100 it was duds doing but i hit both of those bears right in the Boilermaker. I saw that. I saw that. Yeah, I saw the video of it. And when you were eating those bears, how weird did that feel? It was incredible. So I didn't grow up in a family that hunted, not out of moral or ethical.

I grew up in L.A., so What am I going to hunt? House cats? Right. There's not a lot out here. Yeah, pigeons. So it felt really cool. And for me, I immediately fell in love with the entire process, the amount of practice it takes, how difficult it is,

what it's like to share that meat with other people. That's a big one. I've been giving away so much meat, and I'm more than happy to. I really enjoy it. Yeah, I do too. I try to explain that to people. Some of my best enjoyable moments when I get a text message from someone like my friend Michael Yo, I gave him a bunch of meat, and he's like, dude, this is fucking delicious.

Or my friend Tom Papa will send me photos of these elk roast, like elk roast that he cooks. Yeah. It's nice. It's phenomenal. Yeah. So to be able to do that, that feeling is so hard to describe to somebody with something that start to finish, you're responsible for the entire thing. Yeah. Yeah. Being a provider, it's a very underappreciated thing. Like being able to provide for people and give them something that's like, it's very intimate. When you give someone like a package of meat from something that you shot yourself, like, hey, this is coming to you from Montana. Like, cook it up well. Yeah. Thank you.

Send me pictures. It feels so cool to do it. Yeah. But that's not why. I'm just happy that they look at me like this tastes so good i know yeah you should do it too it's something cool about cooking for people too if you could do that i love i love doing that i do too it's like cooking for people like you need to cook a meal like i i do a lot of cooking in my house most of it i think

probably my wife would agree but uh cooking for for a group of friends and laying out, especially if it's cooking something that you've killed yourself. It's amazing. Yep. I've done it a ton of times. You went carnivore for a while, right? You did that carnivore diet thing? About two years ago. How long did you do it for?

So you were an early adopter. Almost nine weeks. Yeah? Yeah. When did you, what made you bail out of it? Variety? Not really variety. So I started doing some, what is essentially middle-ish longer distances, like marathon length.

And I was starting to come back into doing strength stuff, like a lot of deadlifting and some power activities. And I just really, I wasn't feeling all there. Like I felt like I could get almost to fifth gear, but it just wasn't in it. Right. Like you needed carbs. Yeah. Like a little, and I'm talking like apples or something. Yeah. So I essentially started putting a little bit of carbs in and I still only eat like maybe a hundred grams of carbs a day, which is on the bottom end of very little. And what kind of carbs are you taking in for the most part? So when I'm at home eating how I want to eat, it's mostly white rice. Because it's easy to digest?

Super easy to digest. Yeah. Yeah. And like whatever is in the vegetables that I'm eating, which are mostly root vegetables. Do you know who Zach Bitter is? I do. Yeah. Do you know who Zach Bitter is?

I do So Zach who holds the world record For the fastest 24 hour run He's mostly meat based It's mostly what he eats It's really interesting Because he freaks the plant based people out They get so upset They're like how? What?

He's eating their portion too You don't want to eat it? I'll eat it It's like you're supposed to be getting all these diseases You're supposed to be dead you're supposed to be getting all these diseases. You're supposed to be dead. You're supposed to be sick. It's such a dumb idea that meat is what's causing all these people to be sick. Meanwhile, 97% of people eat meat or 95%. And the healthiest genetic populations are mostly animal protein based.

Well, there's a few that are not. There's a few of these blue zones, like in, uh, I think it's Yorba Linda. There's a, it's the seventh day Adventists that live out there that only eat vegetables. That, that sounds right.

I think that's where the vegan vegetarian crossover started happening. Right. The thing about those people though, is they're also like really active and fit and they don't drink, you know, there's so they're, their whole lifestyle is very healthy. So it's not just that they're eating vegetables.

There's a lot of credence to that too. Oh yeah, man. I had this guy Aubrey de Grey on and he's a biologist that's working on life extension. And one of the things that we talked about where it's sort of underappreciated is community, friendship, and a lack of stress. And people that even when they encounter stress, they don't give a fuck.

Like that there's a real benefit to not giving a fuck. And I think you habituate it too, right? Like you create these habits of, oh, that stresses me out. Ah, fuck that guy. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. And you're just piling it up on the shelves in your head as opposed to like,

I'm relatively even keel about a lot of things. But it took a long time for me to have the ah, whatever, that doesn't affect me. Yeah, it's a learned skill. Fuck yeah. You got to practice it too. Yeah. You have to be on top of it all the time. Yeah, you really do.

I mean I would imagine dealing with anti-war people has got to be one of the more difficult things to leave alone. Like people that, I mean, I don't know if you've encountered rude people that insult you for your service or that kind of shit. I haven't had that specifically. Online? Not really. Really? That's amazing. Maybe it's just because I try i actively try and avoid that kind of stuff yeah because there's there's just no benefit there right like that that person

isn't trying to have a discussion they're trying to tell me how it is yeah it doesn't matter and they're trying to rile you up damn right yeah and that's gonna make them feel good to rile me up yeah i'm already riled up like i don't need that that's fine i've seen people go at it with people online like i've seen dakota dakota meyer seen him go at it with people online and i just want to tell him like bro just get out get out of there everybody's brave online yeah like it's so easy to tell somebody like hey you're a pussy when you're not three feet from you're talking to a guy who killed somebody with a rock. Yeah.

You know? Precisely. Yeah, just shut the fuck up. Just seriously. You have no idea what you're talking about. Call that guy a pussy is one of the dumbest things a person could say on this earth in your life. He's such an interesting guy,

and one of the things that we talked about was that I do my best to try to get guys on that are veterans that have these stories just to try to let, just gives people at least another little piece to the puzzle, this never ending puzzle of what these people are experiencing, what people like you and him and all these different people, Andy and Andy and Jocko and everybody else that I've had on that's served. And I was saying last night, I'm like appreciate it like you know it's a thank you from all of us

for letting those stories get out and having the kind of open discussion that it allows it's the least i can do it's a fucking great format for it i appreciate you guys so much it's and it's um i don't think i don't think it gets talked about enough i don't think these stories get out and And I mean, Jocko obviously has them on his podcast quite a bit where he discusses, um, different operations and different things that went down and what it's like and loss and,

you know, and Andy does as well. And there's a, there's a shit ton of podcasts now from veterans, which is nice. But, um, it's just one of those,

it's, it's a necessary part of our, our culture and our society in order to keep us safe, and for whatever reason, it doesn't get respected the way it should. And it's been part of human history since we could throw rocks at each other. Yeah. And one of the things that drives me crazy more than anything was we were doing this benefit. When the UFC did a bunch, we've done a bunch of fight for the troops events on bases and we did it for

the Intrepid Center for Excellence that treats people with traumatic brain injury and we were raising money for them. And it was so hard for me during the broadcast to not just start swearing and screaming like how the fuck are we not raising the money? How is this not a thing?

How is this a thing you have to ask for money from people to donate yeah like what you know i want to find out where the budget is more important than taking care of the veterans when they come home what what's more important who you know who's getting who's getting all that money like where's that money going to where's it being allocated and wasted where it's not being spent on these guys coming back home dealing with traumatic injuries from allocated and wasted where it's not being spent on these guys coming back home, dealing with traumatic injuries from serving their country? And it's not as if there's a ton of us.

Right. There fucking aren't. Like there's not that many guys. Right. Overall. Yeah. Grand scheme. Compared to the what?

350 plus million people in the United States? Is it that many now? We've been trying to figure it out. What's the current population? Is it 350? I feel like it was 320 just like a couple of years ago. The census gets done this year. They're not counting Mexicans.

They have no idea. It's a semi-census. It's a semi-census. There's no idea. And this is my Mexican friends. Does this one get an asterisk like in baseball? My Mexican friends out there, I don't mean any disrespect. I'm with you.

Sneak in. Do what you got to do. Don't get me wrong. Live your life. But the reality is there's a lot more of you motherfuckers here. There's a lot more of you motherfuckers here than they're going to count, especially illegals. They're just guessing. How many illegal Mexicans are here?

They got to be guessing. They're guessing. The Mexicans probably look at the number like 12 what do you think it is what do you think it is oh yeah that's it eight million the whole country oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it might be a little less there's 20 million people in the greater los angeles area and there's probably another eight eight million mexicans like i mean mexican citizens that are here illegal yeah yeah probably more there's a lot i mean you're guessing i'm guessing i'm just Like, I mean, Mexican citizens that are here illegally. Yeah. Probably more. There's a lot.

I mean, you're guessing. I'm guessing. They're guessing. I'm just guessing. And again, don't get testy if you're Mexican. This is no disrespect. I would fucking sneak over here, tell you that right now. If I was living in Guadalajara, fuck yeah. Dude, fuck some of that stuff that's going on.

I get it. Through the tunnel, over the hill, rather be a landscaper. Fucking drink beer at 8 o'clock. Fine. I'm good. Day's over. Kick back, relax. No, I'm not being shot at by the cartel.

Yes, I'm in. Yeah. I'll take it. Scariest thing I got to deal with is like filling my truck up. Got it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, dude. I mean, I know quite a few people that have made it over here.

Yeah. Through hook or by crook. It's got to be weird to be in Mexico and just look over there. You're like, damn, over there I can do whatever the fuck I want. I'm on this side of the river. I've got to hang out. This is so crazy. Damn it.

It's weird when there's like a fucking just a spot, and if you get to that other spot, things are better. Dude, and some of it's really crazy. I recently watched a movie called Queen of the Desert. What is that? which is about a woman early uh early 1900s she was in saudi arabia and kuwait and iraq ended up being friends with lawrence of arabia and she essentially helped carve out what is now iraq syria lebanon just like you know you got to think after World War I,

they picked up a map of the Middle East and they're like, Iraq. Yeah. Okay. They just made lines on a map? Yeah. Now they tried to like put some of the people groups that were all like, oh yeah, here's where the Sauds are.

Here's, you know, they tried to put all the people groups in the right spot. a lot of those nations they kind of created at the end of that conflict what's the weirdest place that you here it is right there queen of the desert nicole kidman james franco robert pattinson oh warner herzog movie yeah who's he's he's the director of my all-time favorite comedy, Grizzly Man. It's an accidental comedy. Have you seen that movie? No. You haven't seen Grizzly Man? I don't think so. Dude, it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.

Is it? It's fucking great. It's about Timothy Treadwell. Oh, I know who it is. This guy is like, I'm out here saving these bears. Like, bitch, you ain't saving shit. That's an 1,800-pound, enormous, wild dog. You're not saving that thing.

He's going to eat you. He's going to eventually eat you. And it was Suicide by Bear. Yep. That guy was so weird. That movie is really funny, man. It's really funny. I'll have to pull it up.

I'm going to watch it. Yeah, dude, spark a joint up and watch that movie. You'll be like, what the fuck is this guy doing that thing's looking at him right now like look at this snack it just doesn't know that it can eat him that's all it is she's figuring it out yeah it just doesn't know what it is now how weird is that i'm sure you've seen it bears in places that have probably not seen humans yeah like the younger ones that look at you like yeah what is that weird thing over there? Well, you said that you ran into one, right? We ran into a jet black grizzly bear.

That's so weird. There's black ones. I've never seen a black one. Pull a picture of a jet black grizzly bear. They're a thing. Oh, yeah. They're really light blonde sometimes, too. Oh, yeah.

They're terrifying looking. I can imagine. It's like a werewolf. Yeah. Bigger than a werewolf. Oh yeah. They're terrifying looking. I can imagine. It's like a werewolf. Yeah. Bigger than a werewolf. Easily. They're so big, man. Grizzlies are so big.

It's bigger than a horse. I was telling you that I only saw one once in the wild that looked at me and it was a small one. It was only like a six foot bear. Yeah.

But the way that motherfucker looked at me, just looked at me like just thinking, do I bust a move? Am I eating this guy? It was just hungry and trying to figure out what it's going to eat. Just looking through your soul.

It just lets you know. When you lock eyes with that, right away it lets you know, okay, this is what it's like to be a deer. I'm part of the food system. Yeah. All that thing he's doing is looking for someone slipping. Yeah. Who's slipping out here? Who's slipping?

Is that deer limping? What's that deer about to give birth to a calf? Yep. Oh, shit. Let me get close to that fawn. Let me pull that moose calf out. They're terrifying. They eat bears up there.

They eat 50% of all the calves and fawns. That's insane. Yeah, 50%. So if a deer has two babies, a bear eats one. Oh, my God. Yeah, crazy. And they eat black bears. Yes, they eat each other. Oh, my God. Yeah, crazy. And they eat black bears. Yes, they eat each other.

They eat other bears. Yeah. I was telling you that, that my friend Jonathan up there, my friend John and Jen, the Rivets, they have this place up in Alberta, and their son, Jonathan, was there when a bear, a male bear, killed a cub, and then the female, the mother,

chased him off the dead cub after he killed it and then she ate it she ate her own cub i mean just meat at that point a little hungry so but no hesitation she just ate it dude they're terrifying they're terrifying but that's a weird animal that people associate with cuddliness and warmness. And this is my little teddy bear. Dude. Like, how could you kill a bear? And they are fucking tough and terrifying. Yeah.

I shot a big boar this last spring. And when we got up to that thing, he had scars all over his face and bruises when we skinned him. I'm like, dude, this fucker was just an, he just fought another bear. Yeah. They went to war. Yeah. Like a war war they're terrifying did you find a photo of a black grizzly bear it's very hard for google to understand what i'm looking for looking for it just wants to give me black bear over and over again the american black bear looks like a grizzly bear but okay i mean i'll show you what i'm finding but they do maybe color phase grizzly bear.

It's just a black bear. Yeah. Did you see that black bear that they shot in New Jersey that was 700 pounds last week? What? The fuck? Yeah. 700 pounds. Yeah. The world record might not have been last week but the last week it was in the stories. They were talking about this guy. They've established that it's a world

record. World record black bear taken with a bow in New Jersey. New Jersey apparently has the highest population of black bears in the entire country, in the entire North America. Well, there's nothing

to jack with them. Well, it's not that. It is definitely that, but it's also like they're so silly with hunting there. They're weird with their restrictions

and they've now changed it. The government stepped in. I'm going to stop the bear hunt. That's good. Let them breed, you fucking idiot. We need more of those. good. Let them breed, you fucking idiot. We need more of those. Yeah.

Let them breed everywhere, you dummy. That's what we need is like a 700-pound raccoon. Look at the pumpkin head on that motherfucker. Oh, my God. 700 pounds. He shot it with a bow. There's photos of him, Jamie,

where it's him standing next to the thing. That's a big bear. It's enormous. That's a big bear. The biggest black bear ever. It's the biggest black bear anybody's ever shot with a bow. Good's a big bear. It's enormous. That's a big bear. The biggest black bear ever. It's the biggest black bear anybody's ever shot with a bow. Good for you, dude.

That's a crazy place, New Jersey, because it's really close to New York, but it's also really rural. A lot of New Jersey, it's like forest and woods. A lot of the Northeast is. A kid got killed a couple years back at Rutgers by a bear.

Him and his buddies went um how scary would that be yeah i know you're in college yeah he's like i'm just gonna go with my friends we're gonna go for a little hike love nature oh my lord oh the size of that fucking holy shit it literally is like a it's like a grizzly the mitt on that thing yeah 700 pounds is so large i've never even seen i've seen one that's 500 that boar that that I shot, we think, was somewhere in the mid-low threes. And he was huge. There it is. There's a photo of it.

Holy shit. Yeah, it's like a grizzly. Yeah. That's so big, man. What are, like, the main differences? Like, the face size? Yeah. Face size and shape.

The way they behave. Grizz has, like, a big hump on their shoulders, and they're pissed off at the universe. Yeah. Like, always. It has like a big hump on their shoulders and they're pissed off at the universe. Yeah. Always. When you see them apparently, and like I said, I've only seen one live in the woods and it was about six feet. So it wasn't that big. It was probably a baby, really. Probably only a couple years old. But my friend John says that what happens is like the black bears come in real slow and gentle.

And they're looking around and they want to make sure that there's no grizzlies around. The grizzlies come in, they just start knocking shit down and they make all the noise in the fucking world. They don't give a shit. That bear that we saw that was tracking us while we were tracking that black bear did exactly that. The second I looked over,

because he made the tiniest bit of noise, and we were you know tracking this other bear so we're listening real close and i hear this thing and i look over and it does exactly that see as we see it stomps on the ground and just starts knocking shit over and pounds off making a shit ton of noise dude how big was it it was wasn't big probably like you know six seven like it was not a huge but it's the thing about it's a cruiser bear attitude dude the thing was pissed off we saw it wasn't even it was just pissed we saw it yeah they don't eat you know they don't they don't eat if they don't get

aggressive like they have to he's gotta be the king and also he's probably trying to eat your bear right oh he did he did eat it oh yeah you left it yeah we left it we we abandoned the search because that's not worth the guy more power to it like ashley i've hunted with him now a couple times he's like yeah um i think that he got that pair we went back and told dud and he's like do you really think you got it real good and that's when we ended up seeing the bear it was when we went back the second time to and he's like i don't know man like yeah this isn't worth it you have your 7mm with four rounds and i have my bow yeah let's not play this game in a bunch of deadfall with a grizzly bear yeah make sure you definitely kill

it how fast are you dog oh my god i saw a video once of a bear charging this guy. Yeah. And he literally shoots it at the tip of the rifle. Oh, my God. The head is where you are, and he shoots it like this. Boom! And it brains it, and it goes face plants and slides in towards him. So I asked Ashley, I'm like, what are we going to do if we run into this thing? And he goes, well, it'll probably bluff charge us. And then it'll really charge us maybe. I'm like, so when do we shoot it?

And he goes, well, if the ears are pinned back, that means it's for real. Don't miss. I'm like, oh, my fucking Lord. Jesus Christ. Yeah, but as part of the whole like hunting experience and, you know, providing the meat and doing the whole thing, it's part of the thing. Yeah. It's damn terrifying, but it's part of the process where you're like, no, we really are just,

you know, walking jelly donuts that are out here hunting other things. Yeah. Yeah. We're walking water balloons. I just have sharp sticks, like real cool. Especially when you see a grizzly bear. Oh God. It's just, it's the cool thing about it is, I mean, you definitely don't want them to not be there. Same with wolves, same with mountain lions. It's hard for people to understand.

Like, the cool thing is, there's part of it being in that country. Yeah. That's part of what's exciting about it. Absolutely. When you're in Montana, part of what's exciting is you might run into a grizzly bear. You might see a wolf. I don't know. It's like woo-woo to say it, but it does feel like your genetics are lit off.

Yes. When you see that stuff. I was mushing dogs with a buddy of mine up in Alaska last month. Oh, normal shit. Just mushing dogs. He's wild. He and i were in buzz together so so he has like a real sled for real yeah he races wow whoa he's a cool dude wow jeff at frozen trident wow that's crazy um we've heard dogs out while mushing wolves howling and it lights off

your genetics like you're out there mushing dogs in the snow and you hear these howls and you're like okay i've heard wolves in bc it's wild i've heard them in the distance never heard them up close but in the distance here yeah it's a weird sound i want to hear it real loud you know i'd love to hear it real loud up close yeah it's they're They're all amazing. Grizzly bears, mountain lions, wolves. All those apex predators. Yeah.

So your first one was in BC. Your first hunt was in BC with Dudley. Yeah. How far was the shot? 22 yards. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. That's good to keep it tight.

Yeah. I mean, it took us a couple days, and then I stocked up on one. I actually ended up taking the shot from my knees because there was, like, a gap in the bush that the bear was on the other side of. Yeah. Bear did not know I was there. Did you guys cook the bear that night? I think we might have had some that night. I think we had some, like, fajitas or something that night.

Oh, wow. Bear fajita. Yeah, Dudley shot shot i don't know if it was the same year but he told me that they shot some bears that were eating onions that was that year was it so then he cooked it with wild onions we went up and picked a crap ton of onions why are there onions up there i don't know it's a whole hill covered in like wild onions they're like this size i think there was something that he was saying that someone actually planted them there at one point in time then they became wild huh that would make sense yeah like a homesteader so what the experience of you going up there

and doing a spot in stock which is one of the hardest kind of hunts to do like we and while you were doing this you're like what the fuck is happening like four weeks ago i never even had a bow now here i am with a in the woods with a couple hundred pound predatory animal yeah on the other end of a sharp stick yeah it was uh it was super intense and i loved every second of it like it was lighting off all the pieces of shit that i felt that was going on when i was a team guy and it was lighting off things that i didn't think were getting lit off in my brain you know like way deep down the consequences and the experience all of it you know you're you can hear your heartbeat it's fucking wild yeah and for a bear to be the first thing i'm taking with a bow i'm like i cannot jack this up yeah there is no missing here

there's some severe consequences yeah let alone i would feel like dog shit if i wounded this thing because i chose to practice as much as I did, which was a shit ton, and still screw it up. Right, right. I was elated when I hammered that thing. And Ashley's like, all right, man, let's wait a little bit and make sure it expires. Did you hear the death bone?

No. No? Because we went into the bush like 15, 20 minutes after to let it expire. And he's like, all right, yeah, let's go track this thing. And he pushes through the bushes. He's like, nevermind, it's right there. Oh, it died quick. I went right through the heart, like double lung and heart.

So it didn't even, there was nothing there. Oh, wow. It made a, when I shot it, because it was exhaling already. Oh. So there was nothing for it to moan. The death moan's weird. I heard the boar this year do it. It's weird.

Oh, man. Yeah, it makes you realize. Oh, man. Yeah. It makes you realize how real it is. Yeah. Because predators have a different response to being hit than a prey animal does. Yeah. They don't run off trying to freak out. Right.

They're not trying to get away. No. They're trying to attack whatever bit them. Trying to maneuver. Yeah. They're maneuvering on you. Yeah. They're rolling and trying to get to the arrow, trying to figure out what's happening. And then they're fighting it off as they die yeah

when you first ate it so you shoot it and then there you are eating it did you guys eat it in camp? yeah they're at bear camp were you like holy shit what am I doing here this is wild pretty much and then knowing that I still have another bear tag

well they have to shoot as many as they can up there right it's out of control there's so many bears yeah bc's crazy like that and then they outlawed the grizzly uh season for some strange reason the people that i know uh that live up there like my friend mike hawkridge he lives up there it's like he'll tell you like there are so many grizzlies up there it's scary and the fact that they can't hunt them now it's like these people in the city that have no idea what it's like they've never been to the bush yeah and then you know they think big brown cuddly yeah yeah well these are amazing majestic animals yeah that eat their own babies they are they're that and anything else inside

it's a garbage disposal they're a cleanup crew yeah clean up crew so that was your first hunt yep so how hooked were you all in immediate like beyond immediately hooked and how many hunts are you planning a year now as many as i can reasonably think that i can eat the meat and do dude you shot one of the biggest moose i've ever seen in my life and the fact you did that like, a year and a half into bow hunting? Yeah. I ended up shooting that moose with a rifle. Oh, did you? We were bow hunting.

So the story ends up being kind of neat because of the size of that damn thing. It's the only reason it had to be with a rifle. Because it was so big? That. So we called him in and called him in and called him in for, like, 40 minutes. And the guide, Ashley, again, he's like, you know, can you hear it? Can you hear it? And moose make the fucking weirdest noise.

I'm like, yeah, okay, I can hear that. And we got to the edge of a little lake. It was about 200 yards wide, but it was like a quarter mile long with a bog all the way around the whole thing. We get down to this lake. He's calling. He's doing it like the horny female. And this fucker comes out of the bush

like 300 or 400 yards away from us on the other side of the lake. Ashley's got his binos up, and he goes, Jesus Christ, that's the biggest moose I've ever seen. I'm like, oh, thanks. Okay, yeah. And I see him, and he gets to the edge of the lake, and we called him for like a half an hour.

And he just kept waving his antlers at us. Doing the, yeah, bitch, come over here. Right. Yeah, bitch, come over here. Also, he's probably met a person or two by then. At that size? Yeah. He was huge.

And they think he was about 10. Wow. So he kept doing that, kept doing that, kept doing that. And I'm like, dude, I really want to get him with a bow. Can we please try and get him to swim across? Because there's no way we're going to be able to get around for him and me to get a shot. It just wasn't going to happen in that bog. And we never would have seen that guy again.

It had already been three and a half days of hunting. I had only seen one animal. And he's like, hey, man, you can use the rifle if you want to do it. And credit to the amount of training that we go through, I grab that thing and I's like, hey, man, you can use the rifle if you want to do it. And credit to the amount of training that we go through, I grab that thing, and I'm like, all right, dude, well, if that moose hops in the water, I'm handing you this damn rifle, and I'm going to shoot it with a bow. But if he turns broadside and tries to walk around the lake,

it's going to take until nighttime, which it was getting towards twilight, I'm going to hammer him. And that thing turned broadside to walk around the lake and I hammered him. Yeah, that's the move. You have to. I really wanted the meat. I badly, he could have had no paddle. He could have had the tiniest little paddles.

Wouldn't have cared. It was just bonus. And everybody there was like, I can't believe he's only been hunting for a year, you asshole. It's pretty crazy. Let me go to Thompson. What is it?

Thompson underscore Parasports? I'm at Trevor.pe.Thompson. Oh, when did you change it? Recently. I was like, you know what? I'm just going to flatten this out. And then does all the old followers follow with you? How'd you do that?

How do you do that? Just change the name. Really? Edit your name. Oh. You just have to find out if it's available? Is that what it is? And then you keep all the same?

Yep. Oh, wow. I was like, yeah. I didn't know that. So you have a photo of that thing up there, right? I believe I do. Dudley definitely has it. Dudley definitely does.

He's got this beautiful grid set up on his Instagram. So these aren't really individual photos. What's that? He's got this cool oh you're doing this that crazy thing yeah how do you do that it's gotta upload multiple yeah though there's an app that does that you gotta keep it you gotta upload three every time now though oh so you gotta keep it gets a little silly oh that's pretty cool man it looks really good so if you scroll down jamie the one of me cutting up that moose meat like the tomahawk steaks

you see that did you have like an artist's instagram page this is not like a okay keep going yep right over here keep going just a little bit right there so hit that one and then scroll over and there he is wow that thing is so big how much do you think that thing weighed so they they guessed he was like 1500 1500 because i pulled so i butchered the whole thing and i pulled about 500 pounds of meat off of him god damn you guys wants to eat that the entire time we were there we killed we, what, three moose? Three, four moose? Wow.

So we had a lot of moose in camp. Fucking delicious, though, right? Oh, my God. It's incredible. So delicious. The most incredible meat. Jamie, go back to the photo grid and scroll back up. Hold on. Scroll down again.

What did I want to say? Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Yeah, that's the start of it there. All right. We'll go back up then. There was something that I...

God damn it, I don't remember. I wanted to ask you a question about something. No. No, forget it. It's too hard. When someone's scrolling, you're like, stop. Go there. Oh, shit.

No, back up. Yeah's too hard. When someone's scrolling, you're like, stop. Go there. Oh, shit. No, back up. Yeah, I forget what it was. So when you guys were there, how deep in the woods were you? Miles and miles from the nearest real road. Did you guys get in with rangers or did you hike in? They called sidekicks. Right. Yeah.

So how did you get all the meat out on those things? Oh, man man that was an adventure so we get we get around the lake which totally solidified me being happy about shooting him with a rifle um because it took us almost an hour to get around the lake to where he was dead and that was us just hoofing it like hard not worried about anything that's out there and uh we got him gutted and then we ended up leaving him overnight because it was about to be dark, and it was cold out, real cold. Came back the next day, cut him in half, went and got a canoe,

canoed each half across the lake individually, and then drug him up the hill with the help of an ATV and Dudley and Dusty and Ashley. It was like a 14-hour day of recovering that moose and John's moose. Jesus Christ. It was insane. They're such big animals. You don't – it's hard to understand how big they are until you get one quartered and it's still 150 to 200 pounds.

Yeah, when you see it on the ground, that's when you realize like, whoa. I could crawl inside the thing like a tauntaun and did you get a commercial freezer so you could yeah keep on a 14 cubic footer oh okay yeah big ass one oh yeah yeah just fill them up so that's mostly what you eat just moose right now moose elk white tail javelina i have all sorts of stuff in there do you feel different when you eat that kind of food? Absolutely. I've never felt better in my life. There's something to that, right?

It's not just psychological, is it? It's not just voodoo. No. If it's the you are what you eat type of thing, that is an athlete that is the product of other athletes that have survived being eaten, killed, and destroyed by weather. And you get to kill it and eat it. And it's so fresh. And if you're choosing to eat really well along with it, like white rice and root vegetables or however you're doing it, man, do you feel good eating that?

It's an athlete. It's incredible. That's how I always refer to it. I say it's like eating a giant LeBron James, like a super athlete. Yeah, it is a super athlete. Yeah, like if an animal was a predator of human beings looking for the best human beings to eat, it would probably want to eat like giant NFL players or a UFC fighter. You know what I mean?

They'd want to eat Brock Lesnar. Like, look at that fucking delicious. It looks delicious. Look at him. Look at his neck. Maybe that's why that grizzly bear was looking at you so hard probably you look good get a snack out of that motherfucker yeah it's um it's hard to describe to people it's hard to describe to people what it feels like to just dip your foot into the food chain for a little bit and come back with something and then to think about it all the time

like andy said it best he's like it's like i have a pin in every september they're like there's a pin on september like get ready for september because here it comes and when that when that month comes around for us the big ones elk hunting and when that comes around you're in the mountains it's hard to contain your excitement you're like holy shit it's happening again yeah there's all these different emotions like make sure you do it right, make sure you play the wind right, make sure you don't get busted. Doing all your gear checks. Yeah, make sure your arrows are shooting well,

make sure you're thinking about your release perfectly. And you're using a silverback, right? I am. That's the only thing I've ever hunted with. They're great. Dude. They're legit. Yeah, I shot everything over the last two years i've shot with a silver

back yeah no reason not to right well it's just the best way it's it eliminates a whole idea of like not punching the trigger and not thinking about it you don't have to think about it doesn't exist just pull you just go through your sequence yeah like we were talking about last night you just do your steps say your mantra do you have have a mantra that you say when you draw back your bow? Not really, but I do walk myself through the steps, how I've described them to myself after Dud's described them. You know, like, okay, the hands at the stop sign, get a nice relaxed arm, a little slight bend in the elbow, you know, lock your shoulder down.

Okay, pull back. I can pull the tension, feel the tension. There's a wall. Let it center. Let it flow, pull, pull, boom. Right. Yeah. I was telling you about this guy, Joel Turner, who does this. It's, I think his website, he changed it.

It used to be Iron Mind Hunting, and now it's like Shot IQ. And he just, he's a guy who trained people. He trained SWAT team members and a big part of being able to keep your shit together when things get western is that you have to be able to keep your system in in a conscious state don't don't let instincts happen and everything just go wild you want to I always forget this is it open loop or closed loop i think a closed loop is when you're thinking about it and you have control over it versus an open loop is when it's like swinging a baseball bat does that make sense sounds right

i don't want i want to make sure that i'm right see See if you can Google that. But they teach us the same stuff in the teams. I've taught combat shooting in the past too. Closed loop thinking versus open looper sees the immediate result and upon achieving the desired result wanders off to find something else eventually. Closed looper sees not only the result but the effect. Oh, this is different.

No. I've taught combat rifle and pistol. Go to shot iq.com you've caught you say that again i've taught that combat rifle and pistol along with other people and it is exactly like that that's the kind of stuff we teach what do you teach like what is the the process of keeping your shit together it's different for every weapon system but it's the exact same as like you just said with a bow or i just said with a bow you talk yourself through the steps out loud and it doesn't let

all the outside bullshit get in the way of pulling the trigger the right way right yeah that if you can actually have a communication line with yourself while it's happening, it keeps you in the present moment. You're utilizing the equipment. It's not in charge of you. Yes, yes. It's weird how all that fucking goes wild on you. Oh, my God.

You see people do some wazoo shit. Oh, yeah. They lose control. They lose control. It's hard to keep control. Let's do shit. Oh, yeah, they lose control. They lose control.

It's hard to keep control. To be able to maintain the discipline, to keep that mantra in your head and not just go on instinct, too, is very important. It's hard to expect people to do that, though. I say that when I've helped people learn how to base jump. You need to be focused on what you're doing because you're in charge of all the actions. This isn't happening to you. You've chosen to let this happen. You need to be focused on what you're doing because you're in charge of all the actions.

Like this isn't happening to you. You've chosen to let this happen. Right? It's the same thing with shooting a gun, drawing a bow. They're all very similar. Or like you were saying, like doing a kick, right? Yeah. And not letting rogue elements become part of the process.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird thing that your mind does where your mind just wants to spaz out. Yeah. It's a weird reaction to stress and adrenaline and all these different things. Oh, yeah. All these different factors that you're trying to calculate all at once. Go full on bananas. Yeah.

People lose their shit. I can only imagine what it's like in combat. Yeah. That's a different level beyond yeah it is so what are you telling them to think of when you're telling them like we're teaching combat pistols and you're teaching them how to utilize a pistol what do you what what is the process of like i try and break stuff down as simple as possible so that it's easy steps for people to talk through to create a habit so that you're using it as a subconscious effort right like i want you to be able to draw and fire that pistol or shoulder and fire the rifle um in a way that you're almost not thinking through once you become very proficient

at the shooting so that your brain can stay open to all the other pertinent shit that's going on all the scary crap that's happening out there right so it becomes an automatic movement you want it to be like that you want it to be an automatic movement and there's guys out there with a shit ton more combat time and a shit ton more teaching experience that say the exact same thing and they say it because it works because there's not time to screw around with having to think through the process it's similar to how you're drawing a bow and hunting right do you have time to really think through it all not with an animal walking out in front of you no you have to have already had that stuff it's

gotta be dialed in yeah yeah super dialed so with pistol and rifle it's the same way like i'm gonna break that down so simple and we can only handle so much information so i'll break it down real simple and then feed you more pieces individually as they come up. Now, how much in the military, how much time do they spend instructing or coaching people on how to think during intense and stressful situations like combat? So they started to do more of that when I was in BUDS. So it's a fairly recent thing relatively recent um and i know they do more now and what they're trying to do is get people to make sure that they can understand what they're doing and perform under the pressure right and a lot of the a lot of the training and a lot of the selection

weeds out people that can't put stress and information into the same lane of traffic, right? Oh, right. Okay, so that's what a lot of what BUDS is. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of BUDS and SQT and then further on in the teams, like every day you're earning your Trident is what they say.

You can always lose it. So what they're saying is like it's all a process but they've been they're weeding people out that can't handle that sort of shit yeah and so is this something that they've written books on are there manuals on this and like or is this just something that's understood and known i don't remember there being manuals on this for me when I was in like psychological stuff. We did have some guys come in and talk to us. And then. What kind of advice would they give you? Oh, God.

You know, I don't particularly remember exactly what the advice was, like word for word. But I do remember it being like, follow your training. You know, we're training you the right way. And it's not the do as you're told it's do what you know how to do right and you'll do it well and is a lot of being able to perform

in combat in these situations that are insanely stressful and to be able to manage information and stress at the same time is a lot of that just learned by experience? I think so. What was it like for you? Being overseas or the whole process? Yeah.

Well, I was one of the youngest guys there because I was augmenting, meaning I was an extra person. I volunteered to go, asked to go. an extra person. I volunteered to go, asked to go. So I was open ears, open eyes and closed mouth for four months. Like these dudes that are over there had been doing it for a long time at that point because I was there in 2011 and 12. And it's all a process that is fatally consequential. And I knew that. So you're like, I'm just going to shut up and fucking listen. Or shut up and watch. That's wise.

It's fucking terrifying is why. It's not necessarily being wise. Like you're just, I don't want to die. Yeah. Like that dude's stepping over there for a reason. You know, he's not leaning against that wall for a reason. He's doing this for a reason. He's got his gear set up like that for,

it's not for fun. You know, they're not over there airsofting. It's fucking for real. So you ask questions. And the best thing that I've been able to get from the teams, which was super evident there is you learn how to learn. You know, you learn how to be a student, a good one.

Because if you're not, there's a good chance you could die. And a lot of guys have died overseas, and a lot of guys have died in training. Still doing the right thing. Yeah, we were talking last night about a guy who died in training yeah we're saying a guy who drowned they never found his body yeah matt leathers so that anniversary was actually on the 19th seven years i think people need to understand how difficult that training is that people get lost doing that all the time yeah or are lost are lost we had diving injuries at the team and there was

no negligence you know we weren't we weren't doing things incorrectly it's just stuff that's we're doing very dangerous shit yeah very dangerous from skydiving with gear to diving really deep for a long time to shooting exercises. Now you compound that and put them all together and do it overseas with somebody else out there that's hunting you. How do they mitigate when you go overseas, the effect of being over there too long? Because I would, I would imagine that the stress of constant combat first,

so this is my ignorance of it, but this is what I would think. What happens first is probably like you get better at being calm and more accustomed to it, but after a while the pressure eventually starts to crack you.

Many, many, many months over there dealing with it, you have to decompress. You do. And they have like decompression windows at the end of deployments how much would it like a typical deployment how long does it last so i was over there for four months um and they do everything from or they've done everything from three months to 13 plus for special operations guys and the reason being they do the shorter ones is because of the operation tempo.

You're doing so much and you're doing it so quickly and they want you to be fresh and they want you to be good at it because they don't want that stress to happen. Right. What is that like? This, this stress, like what,

how does it affect people? Because I mean, I would assume it affects everyone differently, but the, but the process of being in harm's way consistently for a long term. I joke about it making everybody professionally paranoid. Like you're always, like I'm not always wound up, but I'm always on some sort of alert for things. You know, I'm always, like I'm always thinking about stuff.

I'm always keyed on to, what's that guy doing? Why is he doing that? Right. In a way that I don't know why that's there. I mean, I know why, but I don't know what part of my brain is saying, what the fuck is that guy doing? Is that hard to let go in civilian life, or is it just there forever now? I think it's there forever.

I can't, I don't know. It's still there. Did you ever see Jocko's video? He does that. He did a video recently where he's like, people are always saying, why are you looking over your shoulder, Jocko? He goes, I'm being tactical. Because I'm checking my flanks.

Yeah. He's like, why are you always in the dark? And he goes, so the enemy can't see me. How come you don't smile? I don't want them to see my teeth. That guy. Yeah. Is hilarious. He's the best. He is. I love that them to see my teeth. That guy is hilarious. He's the best. He is.

I love that guy to death. Dude, he's so great. He's such an important person, too, because he's both articulate and savage. He's both a brilliant guy who is wise and humble, but also a fucking gorilla. He is. He's a legit savage. Yeah. I had the chance to roll a little bit with him.

Oh, don't do that. I would have told you not to do that. It was with Andy and Dud. Uh-huh. Was that when he broke Dud's neck? Yeah. Yeah. Terrifying.

He broke a bone in his neck. John thought he had throat cancer. He did. Went to the doctor. Didn't want to tell anybody. Like, what happened to you? I was like, oh, it's a fucking gorilla. Just put me in a guillotine, snapped my neck. Big you i was like oh it's fucking gorilla just put me in a guillotine snapped my neck big white gorilla was i don't think he actually did a guillotine i think he actually was he had his knuckle in in

john's throat doing something i think i want to say john that sounds right i think john had him in full guard i didn't know how to tap exactly he just was like going yeah i think john had him in full guard. That didn't know how to tap. Exactly. He just was like going. Yeah. I think John had him in full guard. I might be fucking this up. And Jocko put his knuckles into John's neck and was like using a neck crank and compressing his neck from like either the guard or maybe even side control and then had a knuckle in the throat.

I'm trying to remember. Popped a bone. I think it was from the guard. Yeah, I think so. Because I think I was about like from me to you to this going on. He broke a bone in his neck. Well, he popped a bone. I think it was from the guard. Yeah, I think so. Because I think I was about like from me to you to this going on. He broke a bone in his neck. He's a gorilla.

Yeah. A big hairless gorilla. Yeah, you can't, how much do you weigh? 165. You can't roll with that guy. No. Don't do that.

What was it like? But I can run away from him. Yes. Just wait for him to get tired. He doesn't run at all. No. It was terrifying. He'll just march after you.

It was like I was wrestling around with a sweaty piece of mahogany yeah big guys that are skilled that's so humiliating yeah a big guy that's skillful oh god i've and i've had that happen once in the past like the i think i'm cool and then you find out you're not because i'm not a big dude right like a buddy of mine played uh played i think o-line at stanford and i came home from a deployment and i'm like i got a little blitzed i was like screwing around i'm like at the time i was like 175 and he picked me up from under the arms and he's like you're real strong for your size and puts me down i'm like oh god i feel so emascul, you're real strong for your size. And puts me down. I'm like, oh, God, I feel so emasculated. You're real strong for your size.

It's such a fucking weird compliment. And he was like 300 pounds, like 6'5". I'm like, oh, crap. Those are huge humans. That's giant. How often do you do jiu-jitsu? I don't. You don't?

So you just did it that one time with him? Did it the one time with him. Well, that's ridiculous. Yeah. He's a fucking multiple year black belt. Hey, thanks, Andy. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Yeah. He's a fucking multiple year black belt. Hey, thanks, Andy. Yeah, Andy's crazy. Andy's obsessed.

He does jujitsu five days a week now. That's when we were teaching Dud to skydive. Oh, Jesus Christ. Everybody's trying to die. You're trying to get him strangled. Dudley's trying to get his neck broken. You guys are skydiving. Why is it that so many team guys wind up getting into skydiving why is it that so many uh team guys wind up getting into skydiving base jumping

parachutes what is that funny shit is that what it is i fucking love it is it there's a thing i mean i don't want to speak for you but some men have the the the highs and the thrills of that stuff of base jumping and like what is it that's so attractive about that i don't know as much of if it's the thrill as the thrill combined with the enormous amount of mental effort and cognitive load that's going on and focus because you know the consequences fuck yeah like if you're on the edge of a cliff in a wingsuit there's so much shit that can go wrong between the second you push off that thing and you can't turn around to the 60 ish seconds that it takes to get to the ground that has killed a lot of people a lot of

people a lot of people yeah how many times you wingsuit jump a couple hundred base jumps and i have about 700 base jumps whoa is that a good thing for veterans when they come back as well just to give them something that allows them to feel that edge again i would never suggest somebody learned a base jump really fuck no i don't even call it a sport i call it a life choice so you only want people to do it that are drawn to it yeah if you're a person that is so willing to do that thing that you will do anything it takes to make it happen and go around me to learn how to do it okay that okay but i'm not gonna be like this is a great choice for you yeah oh don't go to therapy you should jump off the cliff how much can therapy help veterans i

always feel like you either have the ability to handle shit or you don't and then they can help you if you have the ability to handle shit i agree does that make is that it does it's a it's a arrogant assumption on my part from no experience but the way i'm thinking of it it's like the amount of wrestling that must be done in your mind going from combat deployment to regular society and seeing the the petty bullshit that people think of as being like life or death or real issues. It needs screaming and fighting and you're like, you fucking babies. Yeah. No, and you see that a lot with guys that come back is they're just like, the fuck is wrong with you?

Yeah. Is this really worth it? Right. The fuck is wrong with you? Yeah. Is this really worth it? Right. But I do think that therapy of some type, archery, technical shooting,

base jumping, jujitsu, there are things that you can take up that I think help guys unpacketize, like undo all of the shit that's in their head. You don't have to go to a therapist and talk. That's not necessarily the best thing for everybody. There's a weird thing about the mind, right, where it has to be active. Yeah. You have to give your mind tasks. Oh, yeah. Like even meditating isn't being taskless, right?

Right, right. You're focusing on focusing. Yes. There's something there. There's something there there's something going on yeah that gray matter is doing some work you got to get the engine turning yeah it's and also it's like for people that have experienced combat deployments and then they come back to regular life it's almost like your body's accustomed to a certain level of stress

and now it's not there anymore so it might start creating it on its own or looking for it when it's not there. Oh, yeah. And I think Andy's joked about it. I have no idea. I haven't been tested, nor has he if I know, but so many of us are like adrenal fatigued because we're just wound the fuck up at fifth gear for years.

Right. Is that real, adrenal fatigue? I for years. Right. Is that real? Adrenal fatigue? I think so. Yeah. You know what? I mean, a lot of guys are very just like, meh, about so much. Right.

And I don't think that that's because they don't care. I think it's because their hormones are out of whack. That makes sense. Well, there's also a lot of guys whose hormones are out of whack, you know, from IEDs and from- Oh, man. Blowing down doors. whack you know from ieds and from oh man blowing down doors i've been thumped enough where like i felt my teeth you know i'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be able to feel your teeth yeah jesus christ well so many guys uh who get back have hormone issues too because

pituitary gland damage from chronic brain trauma. I'm not surprised. Yeah. And that's stuff that really needs to be addressed. And that's the kind of stuff, like you were saying, for the charity for the traumatic brain injury, that's shit that needs to get looked at. Yes.

We need to be doing preventative work. Yes. Like ahead of time. Yes. And then monitoring people, making sure that they're okay. Because that stuff is degenerative and people need to know that that's out there. And it can be helped. Is it hard sometimes for veterans to ask for help?

I think so. Because they just feel like maybe asking shows a weakness or maybe they're just, it's just too difficult to reach out. I think it's the too difficult to reach out and I don't want to be the problem or there must be guys that are worse than me. I think it's usually that it's not necessarily the, the fully inflated ego of, I'm just going to be a hard ass about this, which there is, you know, that's out there. But I think it's a lot of guys that are like, nah, there's probably somebody worse than me.

Right. So if you come home and you're not traumatically injured, we have legs blown off or arm blown off you feel like you're lucky so you feel maybe like you shouldn't be asking for help other people need help more like i don't need that seat at the table let me go find somebody else for it that the lack of support when veterans return is really disturbing like the idea that there's so much emphasis put into training, there's so much emphasis put into arming and making sure that everybody's geared up. You're a multimillion-dollar machine. Yeah.

But then when you get back, they don't have a use for you anymore. You're a used tire. Fuck. Now, it's getting better, and a lot of the outside groups do a really good job. now it's getting better and a lot of the outside groups do a really good job, but it's tough to realize that there's outside groups that are doing that job. Yes. Well, a lot of it's guys like what's the fed doing, right? Right. Thanks guys. It's almost like there's no pressure on them to resolve some of these issues or to help. When you come back, is there any coaching?

Do they give you any sort of advice? They do. I didn't end up going to any of that. And they always tell you, hey, if you need to talk to somebody, there are people to talk to. And are the people that you talk to, are they psychologists or are they combat veterans as well? They're psychologists, which I think is a good thing.

It's a good thing to talk to psychologists? I think so. Are any of those guys veterans themselves? They're, from my recollection, they're all in the military. They're all in the military, but are they all, did they experience action? I'm not sure. I don't want to say offhand without knowing for certain. I didn't end up talking to any of them, so I don't know.

Is this something that you discuss with team leaders or guys who have deployed and have returned? Is this a common thing where you go, hey, what's it like when you get back? How hard is it to transition to normal everyday life and keep your shit together? And what are the tools that you use to try to maintain i think unfortunately that's the stuff that's getting talked about now just now yeah yeah and more

recently because so many i mean it makes sense are you gonna like like with fighters right do they ask each other how do you recover after a fight now it's how do you prep for it yeah make sure you win right because that's all we care about we're looking at front end right front end and action front end action front end action how do i train how do i mitigate all the risk how do i make sure that my buddy isn't the one that's killed because i fuck up right right yeah so if that's what we're concerned about nobody gives two crap about what's going on on the back end because you're just going to rinse, wash, repeat that cycle. Right.

Until you're done. Do you see Hurt Locker? I've seen parts of it. What did you think about it? It's a little dramatic. Is it a little fake? A little fake. Damn.

It seems good. A little fake. A little fake. A little bit. But the idea that someone could be addicted to the action when they want to return, even when they think they're done and they're drawn to go back again. Yeah, I think there's action junkies. Not necessarily combat junkies, but like stress junkies.

Yeah. I mean, I see it in base jumping too. Oh, I'm sure. You know, and you see it in skydiving. People that are just addicted to the feeling of the entire experience. Not the adrenaline, because I don't get a huge adrenaline dump from base jumping you keep it calm pretty calm because if the adrenaline dump is happening you're probably fucked yeah yeah because you're gonna do you're gonna be swinging the baseball bat around that's what alex honnold said about um uh free solo climbing yeah he's like

it's very mellow. It is. He's like, if my heart is beating fast, I'm already fucked. Yep. You are so far down the train of you jacked this up. Yeah. It's the same thing with base jumping or with being overseas, right? Where it's like,

if you're at the point where you're freaking out, something's gone terribly wrong. Yeah. Do they give you techniques to calm yourself when you are freaking out? Is there like breathing techniques? We've done some breathing techniques, like the three seconds in, hold, seven seconds out type of thing. Do that three or four times in a row. I remember getting taught that in BUDS.

Specifically for the underwater swim stuff, which can terrify the shit out of people. Hold your breath, swim 50 meters. That's a long way. That's a long ways. 50 meters is a long way. Yeah. People are like, oh, that's not that far.

Bitch, that is a long way. Go do it. Yeah. Like you think about a pool. What's the average pool? 25 yards across. Yeah. So let's go up and back twice.

There and back. There and back. And the way we do it is we stand on the edge of the pool, jump in, do a front flip, and then swim without touching that first side. It's a dead start. So you can't push off. Yeah. You push off the other side. Yeah.

Oh, okay. But you're already 25 meters down the way. You're going to need that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. But you're already 25 meters down the way. You're going to need that. Yeah. Yeah. There's so much, so much of, so much mental management involved in that. That's why when guys like Jocko come along and they can take that understanding of leadership and mental management and then teach it to other people yeah teach

it to corporations and teach it to groups and yeah law enforcement and people that need that sort of understanding that's coming from a guy like him with the immense amount of experience that he has in a couple different genres that allow him to then teach that in a way that is comprehensible and super efficient. Yeah. Yeah. It seems to me that that would be one of the most important parts of that job, of how to handle deployment, how to handle coming back, and the mental aspect of it. Yeah.

Do you learn it from other guys? mental aspect of it yeah do you learn it from other guys like i think i think it's just a i honestly think a lot of it is that process weeds out so many dudes that would be the the ticking time bomb or the guy that can't handle it right that by the time we're training for this stuff and it's super stressful everybody's pretty much on on their shit you know and then there's like little stuff that you learn while you're doing shooting that you can transfer to all of it, the breathing techniques, right? And then by and large,

we are so well-trained and know that we're so well-trained that you're just doing your damn job. Like just do your job and do it the best you can. Because I'm not thinking about me necessarily as much as I'm thinking about everybody else also. That's fascinating too that the training is so ruthless and brutal that it weeds out people who can't handle shit.

It fucking works. They've been doing it basically the same way since the 60s. But hasn't there been some chit chat about alleviating the standards to let women pass through? I've heard of it. I've heard that they want to put females through the program, but not to change the standards. How many women have gone through BUDS? Zero.

Don't say that. Women are going to feel like you're a sexist. You should lie. I'm not sure. Can I gray area it? How many women have tried? Did you not see G.I. Jane? Because she made it through?

Well, yeah, but she's special. She didn't ring that bell, bro. She's special. Really, no women have ever made it through, Bud? None. Well, and that's a two-part equation there is, one, they weren't allowed to the entire time I was in. Like, no females in that. When did they start allowing them?

So, I am not sure, but I think that they're trying to make that a thing now trying i wonder how many women have attempted to go through buds jamie see if you can google how many women have attempted to go through buds ladies listening to this please don't get uncomfortable we're not shitting on you i'm just trying to figure it out yeah first woman made it through in december oh there you go but But was it screening, screening, screening. So that's a pre-screening process. Oh, so she only made it through the screening. How far,

how long does that take? I don't know. Cause we don't do the same stuff that they're doing for that. They're probably making sure she can make it through the program. Oh, so they want to make sure that physically she can, it's probably a pre-screen screen. Oh Jesus.

A pre-screen screen. They do that. They do that for officers too. Do they really yeah they want those well think about it buds is shitty enough now you're in charge of a bunch of fucking idiots right you're gonna get shit on pretty bad right so they want to make sure those dudes are on their game yeah yeah so where's the pressure to make women do this is it coming from women that want to do it or is it coming from women that want to do it? Or is it coming from politicians that want

to sort of show that they have a diverse lineup? Politicians. 100%. Because here's the deal. I've met more than enough females that are Apache pilots, fighter pilots, badass EOD chicks, which is explosive ordnance, like Hurt Locker, right?

There's some bad women in the military. Yes. They want no part of that job. I haven't met one that's like, I wish I could be a Navy SEAL. And that's not shitting on them. They just don't want that job. Why is that? You'd have to ask them.

But the thing about Navy SEALs is that it's like recognized that these are the best of the best. These are the most savage human beings that we can create. Yeah. The most efficient, the most effective, the ones that can handle the most, the ones that can get the job done when the shit is as hairy as it gets. Yeah. But why change the program just to diversify the lineup? There's a thing that they want to show, right?

They want to show that they're not sexist. It's equal opportunity. And the people that want to prove it are the They want to show that they're not sexist. It's equal opportunity. And the people that want to prove it are the ones that aren't in the ring. Yeah, that's the problem, right? You're not getting this from the actual team itself. They're not saying, you know, we need his chicks. You're not getting it from...

Pretty in this place up. Yeah. I think it'd be great if we could just have some women running around. You guys are pretty ugly. Yeah. It's probably going to be really weird when a woman actually does make it through. I'm sure.

You know, I'm sure it's the same. Like, I feel for those women. Yeah. Because they're going to take a lot of shit. Oh, my God. Yeah. But doesn't everybody take shit? Yeah.

So like. But it's extra shit. Extra shit. shit yeah for sure especially if you're the first woman damn right they're gonna be like oh well you didn't do it the same as everybody else which who knows right so when you do return um how you how long did you serve for nine years nine years and when you made the decision to get out, what was that decision based on? So I never really wanted to do the Navy as a full-time career my entire life, you know, do 20 years and get out and collect the pension.

The war was starting to, at the time, slow down-ish for op tempo, like how quickly guys are going overseas and the amount of action they're seeing. The way I saw it was it's like training for a fight that you never do. I didn't want that to be my life. And I was 28, you know, I'm like, you know what, let me make some phone calls and see how guys are feeling about stuff overseas. And because I was on the jump team at the time, right? So I had like, I didn't quite have my finger on the pulse of what was happening at the team. So I made calls and those guys like yeah man if there's nothing really tying you down like a like a kid or you know a huge amount of debt or you know a lifelong dream of this being your navy seal for 20 years you know and you want to do other stuff with your life it might be a good

time to do it dude and i'm happy i did you know i got out with all my fingers and toes, and I'm glad that I was able to leave on really good terms and feel really happy about what I did because I feel like we were making a difference. When you say that, what made you feel like you were making a difference? The things I know that we got to participate in, the places we were and the guys that we removed from the battle space, captured or killed, were fucking shitheads

that were using women and children as targets and were causing terror. When you say terrorist, people have this disassociated view of that now, right? Yeah. Just thrown across the newspapers. They were causing terror. I don't think people quite, you know, the coronavirus stuff is coming out now or when a bomb goes off somewhere or there's a mass shooting. Imagine if that's your entire life.

Yeah. You're walking around town and that's what's going on every damn day. It's not your fault. It's just some guy that's deciding that their job in life is to ruin yours. And we were removing them. So I feel like we were doing a good thing. And what did you do when you came back?

When you got off, when you were done? So I took some time off and did a ton of skydiving and base jumping because i love those things i was teaching a little bit of combat shooting and then uh basically about a year and a half after i got out of the military and he calls me up and he's like hey dude you want to go on a bear hunt so that's so it was like really fresh out really fresh so when i met you in san diego you probably had only been out for a little more than a year yeah and that's when you were just learning or had you already gone on that bear hunt by then yeah because that was summer i

think we came we went to the spring yep it was spring hunt, and then I think that was summer in San Diego. Yeah. Super fresh, which is probably why I was like, all sorts of piss and vinegar. I'm sure. So you're happy with your decision to get out, but does it feel strange? Does it feel like you? Yeah. does it feel strange?

Does it feel like you? Yeah. And I miss, I miss some of the structure and I miss being able to ask people to do things and be certain they're going to do them. Right. You're dealing with a different caliber of human being on a regular basis consistently, right?

Is that, I believe in this kind of people, like a lot of seals, they find each other and hang out with each other. Oh yeah. Outside of it. You should have seen this out here earlier. I'm sure.

Bullshitting like gorillas. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah. What do you want to do now? So right now I'm actually working for Evan at Black Rifle. Oh, are you really? Taking pictures.

Yeah. Oh, no shit. Yeah. So I'm a photographer for Black Rifle. Oh, that's cool. It's super fun, man. I love those guys. Dude, I love those dudes. Their I'm a photographer for Black Rifle. Oh, that's cool. It's super fun, man. I love those guys. Dude, I love those dudes.

Their facility in Salt Lake is fucking dope, too. Dude. That crazy giant roaster thing that they've got. Oh, my God. How they bought that and pieced it together. Did Evan tell you the whole story about how they got that? It got a little weird where they might have had to threaten people. People are trying to rip them off.

But it's this crazy old school roaster. They do all the roasting in-house. What's it called? Diedrich or something, I think. I think that's right. It's dope, though. Yeah, it's fucking really cool. It's giant.

It's bigger than this room. It's like a dump truck upside down. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how they roast coffee. It's so cool. It's such a crazy story, too, how he outfitted his humvee so that he could roast while he was being deployed which is it's so ridiculous to be that into coffee you asked if i was a coffee snob evan hafer coffee snob yeah evan is a real

coffee snob but i mean that's his living now and he gives a shit about it you can tell he cares it's so cool yeah we went there he he made us all these different coffees. And like, this is an Ethiopian this. And this is a Peruvian organic. And this is from Ethiopia. And no cream. Everyone's drinking everything black. You get used to drinking black coffee.

Good luck finding creamer there. Isn't that weird? But when they open up, they're going to open up a bunch of brick and mortar coffee shops. They are. They just partnered with Bass Pro. Oh, did they really? They did.

Oh, that's huge. So we're going to be, the company will be selling coffee at Bass Pro. Wow. Like, immediately. So it'll be inside of all the Bass Pros.

I think I select them out, but I think it's like in the triple digit range. And then are they going to do some brick and mortar places outside of that as well? I believe so. And they've already done um they've already done one in texas dude if they can get people to stop putting cream and coffee that would be fucking miracle that would be a that would literally be a miracle it would actually be a miracle yeah because most

people just put cream in it automatically i do they don't think it's a mindless action when i get my coffee open it up and pour the cream. Exactly. When I go to Starbucks, I get my coffee. I open the lid. I pour a little bit of it in the garbage can so I can get some cream in there. Their garbage cans should be fucking half filled with coffee. Like, yeah, a 50-pound bag. Yeah, when they say room for cream, I go, yeah, but give me real room.

No, they give you like a Pennsworth. Yeah. That's not enough room for cream, man. It's just going to spill anyways. This is ridiculous. But when you drink their coffee, we drink like starbucks coffee and then you drink black black rifle coffee black you go oh okay well this you actually can drink black this actually tastes good yeah and every day like i go i live in salt lake city now and i'm down there hanging

out with evan all the time and he's constantly roasting beans and cupping coffee and he's trying to better the experience for the user. And what's really cool is that guy has found a passion outside of being a badass Green Beret or whatever military. He's found an identity outside of that and driven so hard towards it and he gives so many shits about the user base

and the consumer. He really does. Well, it's also the culture that that company has sort of created. It's very supportive of veteran causes, first responder causes, military, police, all that stuff. They give a ton to charity. They really care. And he tries to hire so many vets all the time.

Yeah, and I believe because they're buy a bag, give a bag, I think they've given over 30,000 pounds of coffee for free to guys overseas. How badass is that? It's amazing. Yeah. It's a really good company, man. And good people. Yeah. They care about their employees and they care about their customers.

And Evan's a coffee snob. Yeah. And the coffee's legit. Because there's a lot of places, like all these mass-produced places. If you go, like there's a friend of mine who works for the UFC who's a real coffee nerd who owns his own coffee company, and he was explaining to me that the stuff that they buy, if you're a Starbucks or you're one of these, you're just buying bulk. Yeah. And there's stuff that his company buys.

You're buying like really small batches of coffee where there's not enough available for all these people. Dude, Evan is in Guatemala right now at a coffee farm. Whoa. Physically there inspecting coffee. The guy gives a shit. It's such a strange thing to be focused on. A little bit.

Like a little cherry fruit looking thing. Yeah, it's weird. You have to put on a roaster. Yeah little a little cherry fruit looking thing yeah that's weird you have to put on a roaster and yeah have you ever had that kopi luwak coffee i have with a civet i have it out i have it right dude okay so somebody had a bag of it and i can't remember where i was uh and they're like yeah so this is some of that stuff and like we're not really sure if you want to try it i'm like fuck it i've eaten scorpions let's make this happen yeah turn it into coffee yeah it's just washed off after it's gone through its butt it tastes just like coffee it's but it's a weird kind of coffee right it's got a smoothness to it

i don't particularly recall you know i just i don't remember it being like extra fancy yeah it's okay is that it right there jamie that's what it looks like when it comes out their asshole it's a civet. If you people don't know what we're talking about, there's a kind of coffee called Kopi Luwot, and there's an animal that looks like a rat, but it's actually, I believe it's in the cat family. It's like a deranged rat. But I think it's a feline.

Like, look at its claws. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See its claws? This thing is weird looking. I think it's a civet, but I think that's in the cat family. And it eats these berries that are the coffee beans, and it shits out the beans, and then people clean the shitted out beans, because the stomach acids break down the outside of the beans.

Whose poor job is that? Yeah, I'm a shit cleaner. Yeah, I clean out cat shit. See, I think it's kind of a cat see see if that's true is a civet in the cat family like a cat that eats berries man fucking weird bingo just just put up civet civet in the cat family what does it say i figured i'd just be able to click it right there oh come up you're like hyperlink me come on wikipedia cat family just i don't think wikipedia is gonna be nocturnal just say oh the sars virus say some sort of feeling here wouldn't it um maybe taxonomy. Is that what it is? Yeah, I mean. Yeah. Just.

Yeah, yeah. Just. Siviridae. Okay. A small to medium-sized mammals. Maybe it's not. Feliophornea over under scientific classification. Okay, what does it say?

I'll retry your search. Scientific. Yeah, just say, is a civet in the cat family? Is a civet a cat? Do it like a moron. Don't be going through all them scientific journals. In the cat family. Break it down Barney style.

Civet called a civet cat. There we go. Any number of long-bodied, short-legged carnivores, the family Viviverde, civets found in, okay. This is how you get confirmation bias. Yeah, this is called a civet cat. How is it? How did they get it? I'm just saying,

if you Google it, we'll find the answer somewhere this way. That's a good point. Because someone might have just written it. It says it's rather cat-like in appearance.

Hmm. But it's not a cat. Really? Are they related to or not cats? They're commonly called civet cats. They're not cats.

In fact, they're more closely related to mongooses than they are to Or not cats They're commonly called Civet cats They're not cats In fact They're more closely related To mongooses Than they are to cats Those fuckers are mean Don't they attack Cobras and shit Yeah they fuck cobras up

There's a bunch of Great videos online Cobras can't fuck with them They don't know what to do With a mongoose Mongooses just trail around Get silent Skinny little honey badgers

Occasionally they get jacked though I've seen Mongoose cobra fights online And the cobra gets the mongoose. You see the mongoose sit down like, oh, no. He got me. This is how it happens. That's how it goes down. Is that it?

What a weird animal. The banded mongoose. I guess I thought it said banded. Banded? Yeah, it does say banded. Look at what a freaky-looking motherfucker he is. That looks like a Tasmanian tiger. Looks like a thylacine.

Yeah, a little bit. So my friend Forrest, Forrest Galant. Is it Galant or Galante? I would go with that A. Galante. He is actually going on a mission to look for the thylacine. There's been enough sightings of it in certain places in the world. I don't know how much I can say about this.

I don't want to give out the location. But they have an area where there's a guy who apparently had a captive one and it died. So he has the thylacine skull and they're going to examine this skull and they see them on a regular basis. They see them enough to think that there's

an actual breeding population of them. How cool would it be to be a guy that unextincts a thing? Yeah, to find the thylacine. Right? Yeah, that's a crazy animal, man. You ever see when their mouths were wide open? Dude. Like a coyote, like a huge mouth.

It does look like a coyote. A lot like it. Like a crazy looking tiger stripe coyote. Yeah, that mongoose is a freaky animal too. There's so many little weird freaky mammals like wolverines. I've never seen a wolverine in the wild. But that's a wild little animal. Badgers and wolverines.

Wolverines are like... I had a wolverine described to me by Dusty, Dud's friend up there. He's like, wolverines, they're like grizzly bears that got born into that body. That's why they're so pissed off. Fucking how dare you make me this size. Yeah, they're like grizzly bears that got born into that body. That's why they're so pissed off. Fucking how dare you make me this size. Yeah, they're not scared of shit. Dude, would you be if you were that angry? Just a weird little animal.

I mean, what do they weigh, like 50 pounds maybe? I don't know. They see red all the time. They scare bears off of kills. They scare bears off of kills. They scare wolves off of kills. They must have just like insanely thick fur. And it's not very bright they're not smart i mean would you be that smart if you're scaring a bear off a kill i don't know if it's a i got this shit an intelligence thing i think it's just a

fearlessness yeah it's you know nature has this very strange but logical sort of chain of events that take place, right? Between like small, tiny animals to the animals that eat them to the animals that eat them. Like this whole huge ecosystem. When you see it laid out and then you see individual players like that mongoose by themselves, you're like, what part do you have in this crazy play? Yeah.

You know? What did you get assigned? Because this doesn't make sense well for something like a grizzly bear to exist like there's got to be a need for it yeah like for something to be this fucking enormous predatory bear thing that's you know 11 feet long 1800 pounds like what is that swims runs as fast as a horse right like why do you need to be there like what's oh because there's too many of these fucking mammals yeah like if you don't have I was like, what is that? Swims, runs as fast as a horse. Right. Like, why do you need to be there? Like, what's, oh, because there's too many of these fucking mammals.

Yeah. Like, if you don't have something like that that cleans up. They're going to breed like whitetail do in the South. And then there will be literally no vegetables. There will be no plants. Everything will get eaten. Yep. Yeah, whitetails in the South or whitetails around where Dudley lives. Oh, my God.

Dude, you got to drive three miles an hour everywhere you go. They just bounce, especially during the rut. Out of control. Oh, it's crazy up there. Dude, his place is great, though. His place is amazing. Yeah. Have you hunted his place yet?

No. I've been there. I've spent some time there, but haven't hunted it. You've got to get a tag. Try to get a tag for Whitetail season with that guy. Out of control. Well, he's the master. He'll sit in the same spot for a month just waiting for one buck.

Dude, that guy. It's insane. People think I have patience. No, no, no. Watch Dud's social media stream during whitetail season. Right. Watch his Instagram feed. His Instagram live feed.

Oh, my God. Yeah, he just sits in a tree stand all day i'm here again yeah i just saw a buck yeah he's got like a one target buck that he's after for like a month i don't have that kind of time i don't have that kind of patience like that whitetail patience is a different i mean obviously dudley does everything right oh yeah but that whitetail patience to be that guy that sits in that fucking ladder stand all day long. Do you want a Killcroft? Yeah, sure.

Yeah, in November, it's freezing in Iowa. And that's why he lives there. He moved to a spot so that he could hunt deer and bought a giant farm so he could hunt deer and then sits out there all the time so he could hunt deer. I mean mean if you love it go to where it is like i moved from san diego because i was sick of the traffic and sick of how california was you moved from san diego to salt lake because of that yeah but san diego ain't shit compared to up here in terms of traffic oh my god this is like

like triple yeah this is like Singapore or something. This place is nuts. Hey, at least there's not everybody on scooters. There's a lot of people on scooters. You've never seen this motherfucker whipping down the street. I was driving yesterday on the way home, and he was next to me on the sidewalk going as fast as I was. I was like, this is ridiculous. Oh, man. I have a fast one.

He has a really fast one. But, dude, I was thinking if If Jamie If you wipe on that thing Like you're going down hard It is a daily risk But calculated I'm not going that far Yeah I have a nice little path

No one's in my way You don't wear a helmet though huh Well Again I'm not going very far Reckless motherfucker Going 30 miles an hour With no helmet I mean

How fast does it go 25 Dude if you wipe at 25 miles an hour That's fast. Dude, I've wiped on a bicycle standing upright, and it fucking hurt. Yeah. It's going to hurt. But you're fine.

You'll be good. I'm not going to wear a super tight helmet like a dork. Did you ever? Take the hit. A good dork. Jesus Christ. You know, I don't know if you're going to recover from a hit from concrete. Yeah, you might be a different guy.

You might be Google searching all the wrong things from now on. I meant that in a way. Some people wear a helmet, but they don't put it on correctly. I have a helmet on, but you have to wear it tight. You have to have it on strapped tight. It has to be good so your brain doesn't rattle around. The best case scenario, I'm wearing a motorcycle helmet so that I'm safe. I'm not doing that.

You can't be like a peewee footballer where you've got a helmet that's six sizes too big. You should wear a motorcycle helmet and football shoulder pads and then hand pads. Deontay Wilder's outfit on to go in that to be safe. Yeah, sure. Do you know what he's talking about with Deontay Wilder's outfit? No. He got knocked out by Tyson Fury, and he blamed some of it on the fact that his legs were worn out because he was carrying around this crazy outfit that weighed 40 pounds.

I think I saw a meme with that. I didn't know what it was about. I'm like, the hell is this shit? At first, I thought it was a ridiculous thing. There we go. He had this crazy outfit that weighed 40 pounds. I think I saw a meme with that. I didn't know what it was about. I'm like, the hell is this shit? At first, I thought it was a ridiculous thing. There we go. He had this crazy outfit. That's what I saw. Yeah.

I'm like, why is Skeletor fighting? Like, what is going on here? At first, I thought it was ridiculous that he would say that. But then I thought about it. And when we were talking about it yesterday, Michael Yeo was saying that he had to wear that thing for 40 minutes. And I was like, oh, really? Okay, that's different. So if he really did have that thing for 40 minutes. And I was like, oh, really? Okay, that's different.

So if he really did have that thing on for 30 minutes or whatever it was, that's a lot of weight to be carrying for that long. That seems kind of ridiculous that they let him do that. Why is he wearing that? Because he wants to look dope. He also walked out very slow. Of course he did. So they had that whole song to play.

40 fucking pounds on him. Versus Tyson Fury got carried out. Oh, did he? Yeah, he got carried out. Like on a chariot? Yeah. Like a chariot whole song to play. 40 fucking pounds on him. Versus Tyson Fury got carried out. Oh, did he? Yeah, he got carried out. Like on a chariot? Yeah. Did he? Yeah, literally.

Like on a throne. Like a pharaoh. Oh, see, I didn't even watch that. I fast forwarded through all that bullshit. Like burned zero calories. I don't want to hear any fucking national anthems either. The only thing, I'm happy that the UFC doesn't do that. They play the English national anthem and the American anthem.

Come on. We know where we are. Do that shit at the beginning of the night. You want to start the fights off? Yeah. One time. Do it at the beginning. Very first fight. Before the first fight, let's play the national anthem. Fine. Beautiful. Perfect. Let's do it. Don't do it right before the main event, you cocktease.

You got these guys in the ring, dancing around, getting ready, and now they have to wait for three minutes. I think that company also said they've made other outfits for other fighters who have then gone in to knock people out. So that excuse wasn't great either. Well, he's looking for an excuse. The bottom line is Tyson Fury beat the shit out of him.

If he had won, he would have been like, it's because of my outfit. I scared him. Right. Well, he did say that putting on that mask makes him transform. He has this thought that, look at him. He does look pretty does look as he had his head hit oh my god sauron that is a crazy guy it's like a mix of sauron and skeletor from like he man it's pretty fucking dope it's too bad it's so heavy oh my god i wonder if he does it again Imagine if he wears it again Next time It's like You know what

Fuck it Fuck my excuse I never saw the old ones Look at this one Oh wow Using it in training camp Dude that one looks better Yeah

I like the white That's a lot lighter though That looks like you Actually walk around in it It doesn't have the lights The lights are A nice little touch I guess

LEDs Makes it look like a Mercedes This is ridiculous Oh yeah So there's Tyson Fury Coming out He's a king on a throne It's so amazing Girls were carrying him LEDs. It makes it look like a Mercedes. This is ridiculous. There's Tyson Fury coming out. He is a king on a throne. It's so amazing. Girls were carrying him.

Girls were carrying him? I think so, yeah. That's a risky move. I wonder if they had to wear heels. What were the girls wearing? Bikinis, I don't remember. Did you see the fight? No. Dude, it was amazing. I heard it was. It was amazing. Shocked the world.

Nobody thought that was happening. Tyson Fury just ran after him and started beating the fuck out of him. And everybody was like, what? Where did this come from? What is happening? He fought completely different than every fight he's ever fought. He just chased him down. Chased him down, got in his face, but he still used good boxing.

That's what's cool. Yeah. I'm going to change my shit up so much that your camp me watch this shit how much martial arts do they go over in the team very little do you think that's good yeah you don't need to i i think i was actually talking to somebody about this recently um i think it's better for guys that have to put hands on people that aren't given as many options as we are to end the fight before that with some other means right like police officers right i think that those guys really need that kind of training yes because they have to put

hands on people they're there to serve and protect other citizens. Yeah. I ain't serving and protecting any of our citizens. Right. None of us are. Right. We have a totally different job. Right. I mean, it's just reality. Yeah.

Guys get into it because it's definitely helpful, but I don't think it's in the scheme of things that are necessary to do the job well. Because there's so many variables already that you need to control. Adding that to it is just going to probably water down the training for the other things. Why add all the cognitive load of becoming good enough at jujitsu so that it's second,

like totally secondhand. Yeah. Totally a subconscious action. Why, why get that much out of the way of time to train to shoot? Well, you were a crazy gymnast, right? Don't you have like crazy gymnastic skills?

No, not particularly. Not particularly? Don't lie. I can do some things. You can do some things. Yeah. That kind of ability, that physical ability to move your body, that kind of dexterity would translate perfectly to jujitsu.

You know, like some of the best jujitsu guys, they come from break dancing. That makes sense. Yeah. Richie Martinez, my friend Boogie, he's 10th Planet San Diego. And he actually just had a submission match against Jake Shields, who's like a really super respected veteran and tapped him. And Richie started out, and same as his brother Gio, they started out as break dancers.

And when they first came to the school, Eddie was like, dude, there's something going on with break dancing. Like, if you think about the ability that you have to, like, maneuver your body, stand on one hand, spin around in circles. Yeah. Like, do one-hand handstands and, you know. Like, the physicality combined with knowing where your body is in space. Exactly. Like, I understand that I'm, like, sort of cockeyed sideways on my left elbow. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But gymnastics is very similar. Oh, for sure. A lot of gymnasts can translate directly. And George St. Pierre actually to improve his overall game started getting into gymnastics. And he said it had a significant impact. Dude, that guy would be terrifying to watch do gymnastics.

Yeah. It had a significant impact. Dude, that guy would be terrifying to watch do gymnastics. Yeah, but just his ability to use his body. He's like, well, if I could do all these things that other guys do, like back handsprings and flips and all these different things, that would be very beneficial just to understand how to use your body. It's like a more advanced form of plyometrics in a lot of ways. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. How did you get into that doing

weird gymnastics weird gymnastic stuff pure curiosity really yeah so you didn't like take it wasn't something you took up in high school or college or no i was a like cross country and track and field guy did like long jump triple jump and then cross country races. And then I've always enjoyed rock climbing and did a little bit of surfing. And I've tried my hand at all the goofy sports. And from there, I'm like, well, what's the best way to get really good physically? You know? So start learning how to do some of the gymnastic stuff. And a few of those things, like I have no damn clue how those guys end up doing an iron cross or a planche.

I'm about as good as like a seven-year-old girl in gymnastics. That's pretty good. Some of those seven-year-old girls are fucking impressive. You know what I mean? My daughter does that shit. It's just such a crazy thing to see someone utilize their body like that. It's impressive. Yeah.

The amount of proprioceptive knowledge that's going on there, mind-blowing. Yeah. I mean, there's so much coordination, and you're going head over heels. You're literally, like, flying through the air. Yeah. More than once. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But I've done some like wind tunnel flying that's kind of air gymnastics wind tunnel flying what's that yeah like a it's a tube of air uh-huh that you get in and it blows like one of those things where you wear a suit yeah i've seen that how fun is that it's the fucking best really oh man it's so fun so is it like skydiving would you don't die? Yeah. Skydiving, no stress. Right.

You should come do it. I would love to. Isn't there a place in Universal? Yeah. Yeah. You should go to San Diego. The one there is real good. Oh, it's better?

It's worth it? Worth the drive? Next time I have a gig down there. Is this it in San Diego? Holy fuck. That's not San Diego, but this is it. They're actually, that person's upside down. Hmm.

Seems like you could just build one of those. You could, you know, for like a cool five mil. That's how much it costs? I've been told it's like five to 10 or something. Bro, look at that. That's insane. It's so fun. So that's all a fan.

Yep. And so you're wearing a mask so your lips don't fly off? Very much. Wow, that's incredible. It's so cool, man. Very much. Wow, that's incredible. It's so cool, man.

And so when you're going straight up and down, like when you're flat, so if you're parallel to the ground, then you can float well. But then when you go straight up and down, then the wind can't really carry your weight, so you drop. Which is why you start turning and going in circles because you're generating lift. Does that make sense? So this is an unusually large one? This is not the same size as the one?

No, this is like an average size one. So the one in Universal is like this? No, that one's a, I believe that the one there is an oval and is slightly smaller. Oh. The one in San Diego is about that size though. Is that something that actually has a purpose in terms of training guys oh yeah we actually they use it um we used it on the jump team a ton and then they use it yeah this is it i fly there you go dude if you are a super ball you should have that shit in your backyard well the prince does in dub. Does he? Oh, yeah.

I'm sure he does. He's got Falcons and Ferraris and shit. Of course he's got a wind tunnel. I mean, how often do you think he uses it? I don't know. I had some buddies that used to be there and they used it every day. Really? What are these guys doing? They're teaching people

how to do this. Oh, yeah. I did that once. It's very basic. How different is that flying up version versus this like level of expertise i guess because it seems like it's a lot it's a lot like hundreds of hours of time flying really oh yeah it's a lot of time to learn how to do what they're doing right there. Yeah, I would imagine you try that and you face first right into the fucking wall and feel like an idiot. Yeah, there's a lot of... That's what I'm thinking looking at that.

I'm like, hmm, I'm not buying this. There's a lot of wind tunnel linebacker shit going on. Yeah? Oh, yeah. But it's a really cool thing, and it's a lot like gymnastics or dancing, but in the sky. It's really cool. Now, you're into all this stuff, and you did try some jiu-jitsu with Jocko.

Are you interested in doing that at all? Absolutely. Why don't you do it? Salt Lake's a great place. I'm going to. Pedro Sauer has a great place there. There's a lot of jiu-jitsu in Salt Lake. I'm absolutely going to.

I was literally talking to Andy about this at SHOT Show because we went out with henry akins and john cavanaugh oh perfect so um we were bullshitting with them and they were you know they were poking me and it was like the last straw like all right all right okay yes yeah yeah because i'm gonna do it a guy like you would get addicted to it immediately just like andy sure i will yeah andy's all in it's part of the terror though like hobby creep like oh crap i need yeah hobby creep i get another one. That's a great way to put it, man.

I got that from Sean Evangelista from, like, Andy's buddy. I had 30 seconds out. He's like, I can't learn how to bow hunt. I'm like, what? Why? He goes, it's hobby creep. I don't need another expensive hobby, man. Yeah.

I already have enough. Bow hunting's the ultimate hobby creep, though. It's helped me so much, though. It is hobby creep for sure, and it does take up a lot of my time. But, man, I fucking love it. How much do you love it? I just love being able to use my range here and just shoot. It's so relaxing.

Yeah. I wish more people would have the opportunity to do archery. It's brain scrubbing. Yeah. You know, because you're focusing on that task so completely that it just kind of cleans out the whole system. It's meditation. It's just like it's moving meditation. That's a funny way to put it because it's exactly the term that a lot of people use for martial arts.

That's what it is. Yeah. A lot of people use that term moving meditation for martial arts. A lot of people use it for running too, which is another thing that you really got into, right? Yeah. Actually, I'm doing a couple of mountain races or like sky running races this summer don't hang out with cam haynes no i don't know if i have interest in doing like ultras that motherfucker will have you doing stupid shit 10 to 20 milers it's about where i'm at he does a mile he does a marathon a day yeah i'm good no thanks it works

an eight-hour job and does a marathon a day he just released a video um that uh like the cam haynes story and you watch it and you go wait a day. He just released a video, the Cam Haines story, and you watch it and you go, wait a minute, how are you doing this? What, is he powered by a nuclear reactor? Dude, he's a freak. He doesn't even get hurt. That's what I don't understand. Since I've been friends with him, he's been hurt a couple of times. He had

an injury to his foot he thought was a stress fracture. By the way, he kept running. Never stopped running the entire time. Think of my foot's broken. Let me just bang out 10 miles today. I'll do a short one today. But he gets up at 2.30 in the morning, okay? 2.30 in the morning sometimes, and he'll run 18, 20 miles, and then he'll go to work, and then during lunchtime,

he'll hammer out another eight. And you've got to fit in a little bit of archery. Yeah, and then afterwards he goes and shoots for hours, and then he goes to this crazy fucking pimped out man cave that he's got and he lifts weights at night there he is i mean i i just don't there's certain people that that i mean i get it though like we were operating in a similar way when i was in the seal teams like like your whole life is centered around these things. Like I'm just going to be really good at all of it. Well, his whole life is centered around bow hunting, believe it or not.

All the other stuff that he does is really to get himself in shape for bow hunting and then to challenge himself so that he understands that his body is in perfect tune and he can do it. Dude, hanging out with him in the mountains is so goddamn humbling because he he runs up these mountains like it's nothing and you're i'm dying and i've been running yeah i've been running hills i've been doing it but i still i try to keep up with that motherfucker i'm like jesus christ you just gotta like pull one of the minor tricks and like stick a little rock on the back this is not gonna help he'll ignore it he won't even notice it's it's it's weird when someone is that dedicated

to something and you're friends with them it's weird and a little terrifying right but it's also really cool is that him with that rock and he stopped using it or he still does he still do i think that's an old one yeah that's 2013 i don't think he used that rock anymore he had 130 pound rock that he would put in his backpack and carry everywhere. Dude, that's a lot of weight. He's a ridiculous person. Someone gave him a rock as a present recently, and he fucking put it on his shoulder and took it with him up to the top of the mountain.

Yeah, he was like, thanks for the rock. Gave him a big fucking rock. Like a 75 pound rock. But he didn't even bother putting it in a bag. He's carrying it around up the mountain on his shoulder and switches to make it difficult. What a gorilla. To make it more suck.

Yeah. He's a fucking strange person. I mean, I get it. I mean, I've done a lot of ruck runs and stuff just for kind of fun and training. It's humbling being friends with that guy, though. He's so inspirational. I mean, like, I don't know anybody who's more driven than him. It's crazy.

So even Goggins, like when Goggins and him were running, like Goggins has to keep up with camp. Like, and Goggins is the fucking man. I mean, he is the endurance king. You know? It's cool to be around people like that because it makes you question whether you're doing enough. Right.

Exactly. You're like man am i just a little bitch like exactly like i've thought i wasn't but i'm definitely a little bit but am i a little bitch i've come to i've answered that question hanging out with cam a bunch of times like well i'm definitely a little bitch it's just he's got this weird drive to uh constantly push his limits like here's this is him right my fucking dog uh we put a a toy hammer my dog's got a toy hammer and so he's got this toy hammer in his mouth and uh as a quote my wife wrote this down she wrote uh what are we hammering and how long are we supposed to keep doing this and then i sent it to cam and he sends me a text message says tell

Marshall we keep hammering until we're dead even your dogs not pushing it enough that's so funny but the fucking that is the most cam Haines answer ever tell Marshall we keep hammering until we're dead and you know he's serious oh yeah and he got up at 2 30 that morning to run a fucking marathon before he went to work there's no ha ha ha before that message he's like no this is what we do even if there's a ha ha ha he means it he means every fucking word of it that's awesome when people say they do a lot you know oh man he gets a lot done like does he really yeah are you really burning the candle at both ends you understand what this motherfucker is doing he's

running a goddamn marathon every day. They tell you, like, there's certain physiologists tell you, well, when you run a marathon, you need six months to recover. Do you really? Are you sure? Maybe you just need 12 hours. Yeah, maybe you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, man. I'm not sure everybody really has this dialed in, like, what's possible.

Well, think about where we come from. Like we're the result of successful hunter-gatherers for hundreds of thousands of years, right? Yeah. So we should be really good at this shit. We should be the best at it. Yeah. No, instead we're water balloons and jelly donuts walking around. Well, when you find out what's really possible from the human body, when you see people that accomplish incredible feats of endurance.

Did you see that former Marine who was, I guess you're never a former Marine, 62-year-old dude who beat- Like my granddad, not a former Marine. Yeah. He won the world record for holding a plank. He held a plank for, he's 62, held a plank for eight hours and I think it was like 13 minutes, something preposterous. What?

Yeah, like playing with his phone. And he's like on the, doing a plank. Look at this guy. He does not look 62. Former U.S. Marine. Again,

there's no such thing. Well, no, I mean, look at that haircut. Just broke an eight hour plank record. Yeah, look at him.

He's a personal trainer. He's fucking shredded. Look at him holding that plank. That guy looks terrifying. Eight hours and 15 minutes and 15 seconds. That's crazy. But that's one of those things. Look at him playing on his phone.

That's one of those things that you think, look at the fucking veins, man. And to keep that for eight hours is like a lot of people have a hard time planking for a minute at all and it first set the record in 2013 but then he lost it head to head with another guy but now he's back so now he broke the record that was fucking bananas and holding on to his phone is hilarious. I guess maybe he needs a timer in front of him. Maybe that's what it is. Or just get, I mean, eight hours.

Wouldn't you just get bored? You definitely get bored, but the amount of mental fortitude that you have to have to be able to do that and hold that position for eight hours and 15 minutes. What did he say he was doing it for, Jamie? There was like something in that video. For mental health awareness. Yeah, you're crazy, bro.

You should be doing it for mental health awareness. For people to be aware of your mental health. Yeah, people be aware of how fucking crazy you are. If that guy's coming after you, dude, he ain't going to stop. No. No. There's people that their mind is just fucking stronger He's got a P-tube hooked up

A P-tube Oh Jesus Christ Dude that's the How patient are you Well I'm 8 hours in a plank patient Yeah Oh he does have a P-tube But what happens if he has to take a shit

Hey Hey I wonder what he ate before he did this Or if he ate during it Can you eat like a banana While you're planking? Or maybe like it's running where you're doing like liquid diet stuff. Yeah.

Some gel. That was the toughest part about the real long dives that we did. Like every time stuff went into the 9, 10-hour range, it's like you're not eating anything. Right. Right. You come out and you're haggard. No, I can imagine, man. That's got to be fucking hard.

Just when I do the UFC and I don't really eat for like six or seven hours, it's hard. It fucks with you. Yeah. Your brain is just like, hey, man, this is not working well. We need some extra stuff. Something's missing. What's missing? Why don't you eat something?

Occasionally I'll get a hot dog or something when I'm doing those. But that's just that. That's just sitting there talking. Yeah. You know what's incredible, how much burns off energy is playing chess. They had these world-class chess players in these world championship events, and they found out they were burning thousands of calories just sitting there playing chess because they were all losing weight.

And they're trying to figure out, why are these guys losing weight? Like, what's happening over the course of this tournament? Yeah, they're just sitting there. But their brain is firing. Look at that, 6,000 calories. Robert Sapolsky, our guy. That's insane. Who's the Stanford professor who we've had on the podcast

who studies stress in primates at Stanford University says that a chess player can burn up to 6,000 calories a day while playing in a tournament three times what an average person consumes in a day. Damn. Yeah, so they've figured this out fairly recently because a lot of these guys are

losing shitloads of weight. That's wild. Yeah, your brain. I wonder like, i don't think commentary burns off anything near what a chess player burns up but i wonder what it does because you you are thinking all day while you're watching the fights i wonder how much i'm burning because dude when i get out of there i eat like a fucking wolf could you take your whoop strap do you have it on usually yes i do but your heart rate isn't going up well Well, also the whoop strap is measuring, yeah, it's measuring your heart rate. And it's also, I mean, based on your activity, I don't think it's going to know mental.

Because I don't think their heart rate is jacked. If they're burning 6,000 calories a day just sitting there. Oh, yeah, it's going to measure calories burned off of your physical activities right not like right activity yeah right it's an additional thing well that's also like different exercises that are uh physically taxing and also mentally taxing yeah they have to be consuming more calories oh yeah like um like i was saying about the dives like i've done dives that are 6 to 12 hours long and you get out of the water and you like i was saying about the dives like i've done dives that are six to twelve hours long and you get out of the water and you like i'm sitting there i'm thinking like i'm using my brain a lot yeah but it's also cool to fuck and i've come out of the water a couple times and

lost eight plus pounds wow in the water in the water dude that's nuts it yeah where's it going so i'll be coming to part of the ocean? I guess. I don't know. Right? I mean, you're pissing out a lot of liquid. Losing water to the ocean while you're in the water. Oh, yeah.

You could get dehydrated while immersed in water. Yep. It says that Polar, that company, that Polar Straps, it's a popular one too, they tracked a chess champion, 21 years old, in October. He burned 560 calories in two hours of sitting and playing chess, which is about the same amount as Roger Federer would burn in an hour of singles tennis. Really?

What? That's an hour of working out. That's about what I do in an hour of an elliptical is about 560, 600 But I would feel like Federer just hopping around All that plyos He's super efficient That's true He's hyper efficient

Bernard Hopkins when he used to box Super efficient Sustained elevated blood pressure I wonder if chess is the pinnacle Of things that you do that aren't physical in terms of movement but are incredibly calorie taxing i wonder if that's the number i mean that's a very complex game oh my god that i would that and maybe like go brain surgery go you're barely moving but you're like concentrating so hard for hours and hours at a time yeah yeah well there's certain things that you do though after it's over you're just fucking

exhausted and starving to death like when i do two shows a night after it's over i'm so hungry and that has to be something like do two hour 10 hour 15 minute sets because you're thinking and you're managing it while you're doing it is a giant audience there and you got to be fucking on point. Yeah, that's – but I think the UFC makes me more hungry. But it's also like six hours, seven hours in a day. And you're probably moving around a lot too. Hunting does it, Boro. When you're going through the mountains and the intensity of hunting and then the concentration and all those things, that's incredibly calorie consuming.

And it all comes up right at the end. Like you finish a day hunting out there, like spotting and stalking. And even if you don't kill something, right, if you don't get an animal, you come back at the end of the day and all of a sudden you're like, holy shit, I'm really hungry. Yeah. Oh, my God, I'm weak. What the hell was I doing all day? And then when you wake up in the morning, it literally is like you trained. Like the day before, you're like, whoa.

Oh, yeah. Everything's like, oh. 100%. Oh. and it just fried when you get to like a six seven day hunt when you get to like day six day seven bro you have put in some fucking work dude that fourth day of that moose hunt i'm like okay here we go again because you're getting up. It's like elk hunting. You're getting up pre-dawn and getting out there. That is something that is so missing from videos. There's something about hunting videos. People just don't understand. How miserable it can be.

Not just that. They don't understand why you're happy. Why are you happy at the end? You just killed an animal. If you had any idea how hard this is and then how difficult it is to execute a good shot, you would know. How nervous I was that I was going to jack this up. Yeah.

And then when it's over and the animal's down, it's more of a relief and the success is nice. It's everything all together. It's like an alleviation of pressure, success, happiness. But the longer and harder the hunt is the more you appreciate that though oh yeah it's all in how much you're putting in and i've heard that from guys where they're like yeah if you punch your ticket the first day you're gonna you're just gonna feel like oh what am i here for they can all eat shit i punch my ticket every chance i can i i've heard that argument before i'm like look i'm not i'm not buying into that nonsense like i there was steve ranella on one of his shows he had this elk and it was like the first

day of the hunt and it was a great elk he was about to shoot it and he's like i'm not ready to end my hunt i want to keep hunting and then he wound up not getting an elk because that's how it works karma bitch yeah well it's like he explained that he had just gotten back from another episode because he was filming. And then the episode previously, just last week, he'd shot an elk. Oh, okay. So he had meat in the freezer.

Fresh, yeah. And he's doing it for this show. So he just didn't want to shoot it right there and then. And also there's probably the pressure of you have to have a narrative for the television show. The narrative can't be, yeah, I got my shit together and now he's dead. Do you ever think you'd be interested in filming stuff and putting content on because i know you're a photographer you're into taking pictures not really i i like taking pictures of other people doing that stuff like it's fun for me to go out and do these hunts with

andy and dud um because i get to take pictures i really enjoy photographing how people go through processes. And I really enjoy taking pictures. It's been a really meditative process for me and a creative thing for me to do. Coming from art school, now I have an outlet for that. And I really like being able to do it. I don't think I would want to videotape or take pictures of myself doing it, but participating in the circle and being part of that process and able to document it in a,

from my point of view, I enjoy it. That's what I like. But you're not interested in someone filming you while you go out and do it. I don't think so. I wouldn't say no. Right. But I'm not gonna,

that's not something I'm seeking out right now. That is a thing that a lot of people get into when they get into hunting, especially if they have a good social media profile like you do. They start thinking maybe they should film hunts and that could be like, it's a weird thing, right? Because it becomes a part of what you're doing to sort of expand your social media profile. So then it feels weird. It does. It's like, what's your agenda media profile. Yeah. So then it feels weird. It does.

It's like, what's your agenda? Right. Like my agenda is meat in the freezer. Right. Enjoying the process. And man, I get to spend some really cool time with some really, really, really good friends. Yeah. And I don't think I could give that up for pushing the, I want to be famous too but only because

I'm filming these hunts and then also the filming thing the real problem is that person filming you is also in the way yeah like there's an extra body moving

there's extra smells there's extra sounds they have to move to get the shot and sometimes like you're drawing an animal and they don't have the shot so they move

in order to get a better angle the animal's like what the fuck is that? Yeah. And the animal sees them and takes off. And more power to guys like Dud that are able to do it successfully. Uh-huh. It's phenomenal.

Yeah. But it also takes a special amount of skill and a desire to do it. And he's really able to show people hunting in a great way, right? And pass on a lot of skills and a lot of the enjoyment of the process. Yeah. Is there any hunts that you're like really interested in doing that you haven't done yet? I really want to do a spot and stalk mountain lion hunt. Oh, Jesus.

Oh, yeah. You want to spot and stalk the thing that spots and stalks? Yes. Where are you going to do that? I don't know. So I think in the Dakotas and in Oregon, there's a decent chance for it. There's a decent chance because of the population density? Population density.

And then I think Oregon and I want to say South Dakota don't allow dog hunts. Oh. So. Oregon's weird. That's dense. Oregon's a weird place. That's dense footage. I mean, foliage.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That would be hard. I think it'd be hard. You know what, though? I want that kind of challenge. Those are the things that really get me, like way deep inside. Yeah, we were talking about this last night.

You're going to give yourself, what, like three weeks? Like I'm thinking in my head I need a couple weeks to make it happen. Wow. And look, I'm a new hunter. Mm-hmm. But I'm doing as much research as possible, talking to all the right people, and when it happens it happens so but i really want to make it happen what's the process for that you get a tag

you go into the back country and are you gonna bivy sack are you gonna just sleep in the woods that'd be my that would be what i kind of want to do um is solo bivy solo or maybe one other guy i think more than that you're gonna have so much presence in those woods that you're never going to see a cat. Yeah. So how the fuck do you find a cat when you're by yourself? I think you've got to cut a track or find a kill. Hmm. So your plan is to get yourself in an area where they're at.

Mm-hmm. A lot of stars got to line up. Yeah. But that's part of the cool part about hunting it's not just killing right right well that's a that's probably one of the most difficult hunts you can go on damn right which and for me like growing up in southern california having seen a mountain lion when i was younger i've just had a a like a real deep feeling about mountain lions i think they're incredible animals.

And I think it would be a really, really special thing to pit my training and brain with a bow against a cat. And eat it. Yes. That's going to be weird. Eat it. Sitting down there eating a cat that you killed with a bow and arrow. It's going to be really cool. Yeah. If down there eating a cat that you killed with a bow and arrow. It's going to be really cool. Yeah.

If I'm able to make it happen at some point. But you're going to get a lot of meals out of that cat. I think they're huge. That's huge. Dude, a little cat like the ones down here. They're like 110, 120 pounds. The ones up in BC are like 200. Do they really get that big?

Yeah. 200? Yeah. That's a big cat. Yeah, it's a weird animal that just sort of coexists with us. You've seen that photo that I have out there of the one by the Hollywood sign? How cool is that thing? That's a real photo.

God, that's a bat. It looks fake. It's so cool. It looks fake, but that's from a camera trap. That's badass. That is a giant cat that lives in Griffiths Park right by the Hollywood sign. Dude, cats are wild. That is a crazy place for it to live, though, because it's literally on top of people.

Oh, yeah. Good luck finding a deer up there for that reason. That motherfucker is jacking them all. Eating everything. And dogs. And cats. And probably kids. Some kid fucks up and goes off in the woods.

Let your kid off the leash. Yeah. I mean, it's just a weird animal to coexist with people in these sort of semi-urban settings like Griffith Park. But it's only weird because of the setting and because we're not used to it. We've coexisted with these things for so long. And now it's weird because we've separated the last few generations so how deeply how far where are you from planning this out probably a couple years if i'm guessing correctly how does that work because it's hard to get a tag or no because i want to make sure that my skills and

my ability are up to snuff where i'm comfortable doing that and pulling it off. So it's right now just a thought, like a plan. Absolutely. Put it on the books for 2023 or something like that. Something like that. What about in between then? More elk. I'd love to do another moose hunt. I'm going to start helping to guide with Cole Kramer up in Kodiak.

Oh, really? Up in Alaska? Yeah. He's a buddy of mine. Oh, no shit. So you knew him before all this? No. Oh, you met him. We met through all this. Oh. And last year I went up and assisted him on a mountain goat hunt. That's a crazy hunt. Super cool. That's crazy terrain, right? So I was up there pack mulling really yeah and you do that for the experience just to see what it's like yeah and really enjoyed it and i told him man i really want to come back and help you guide with brown bear and with uh with sicka blacktails and mountain goat again so this year i'm going to be up there doing some dude your balls deep you know i mean

you're all in that's my like that's, that's just my, I fucking love it. Like, I love getting that deep into shit. Like, you give me a pool, I'm going to find the bottom. Yeah. This is, it's a really interesting thing to get all in with too, because it is such a part of our DNA. And then it is the source of your nutrition now. Yeah. Which is really interesting, like that a hobby actually feeds you.

My hobby has allowed me not to purchase red meat at a store in years. Isn't that crazy? That's incredible. And then I get to share it with people. Yeah. No, it really is incredible.

Yeah. And it really is the best meat you can buy. And it really, we beat it like a dead horse, but it really does make it seem different when you're eating that food. Your feelings are different. It's just, it's, you know, we beat that, beat it like a dead horse, but it really does make it seem different when you're eating that food. Your feelings are different.

It's just, it's hard to describe for people. I would like people to experience it somewhat. And I think you can get kind of the shadow of it when you catch a fish and you eat that fish. Yeah. You get a shadow of it. You get a touch. You get a little glimmer.

Yeah. But you don't get the real elk steak feeling. No, you don't get the elbow deep and yeah pulling that thing apart so this is like your life now like absolutely wow which black rifle has really allowed me to to do that because i get to take um a fair amount of their lifestyle and environmental shoots and pictures so i'm able to go on hunts with ev and Dud and Andy and make it happen and take pictures along the way. Don't they have a crazy ranch down in Texas too? Yeah.

I was down there last year. How was that? It was incredible. I heard it's really awesome. Oh, yeah. Texas is such a strange place. I always say, describe Texas as that's how the rest of the world sees America. Absolutely.

I totally agree with that. 100%. They're like, Americaica and you're like you mean texas yeah it's okay i mean it's america for sure but it's like it's sort of like there's places in america that are so clearly what like california is one of those places it's so clearly california yeah it does it's very different than a lot of the rest of the country yeah and but texas is the most extreme version of that. Yeah. Well, no,

make sure you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They'll tell you. They'll let you know. Yeah. It's,

it's one of those things. And it's for hunting opportunities. Like Texas is incredible. I mean, there's absolutely exotics and all kinds of weird animals from other places that they've transplanted there. Yeah. I mean,

you can probably find a dinosaur if you, you know, ask the right people. If dinosaurs were real, they'd be in someone's backyard in Texas. Some guy would have a T-Rex ranch. That is a dream for a lot of people to do the Ted Nugent thing. Oh, my God. Ted Nugent, he has a house on a ranch in Texas, and he hunts literally on his land.

Oh, man. And he hunts basically every day because he has so many exotics. The way exotics work in Texas, they're basically private property. Yeah. So you don't have to abide by hunting seasons. You do it by whenever you feel like doing it. So anytime he wants to step out of his backyard and go shoot at Oryx for dinner. It's kudu day.

Yeah, it's kudu day. Get some. Yeah. There's kudu in Texas. Right? How weird is that? Well, the weird thing is, what if they get out of Texas? Does anybody have a fucking plan for that?

All of a sudden there's like Marco Polo sheep in Nevada. Bro, they have zebras. Yeah. There's free range zebras in Texas. Like, that's not bullshit. It's awesome. It's crazy. It's hilarious.

They're so nuts. It's such a fucking nutty part of the country that there's more tigers in captivity in Texas than there are in all the wild of the world. It's a cartoon version of the United States. Yeah. All bunched into one state. So are you planning on just traveling around and hunting now? That's like a giant part of your lifestyle?

Absolutely. Have you have it planned out? Some of them. I know I'm waiting on finding out from Dad about spring bear. So you're just going to work for Black Rifle and then do your hunts? Absolutely. And keep crazy how something can so quickly become a giant part of your life? Yeah.

I fucking love it. Now I just got to silver out some for some jujitsu. Maybe. Or hobby creep. Like, yeah. See what happens. Well what happens well listen brother we just did three hours oh believe it or not awesome time flies um tell people one more time your instagram and your social media so uh my instagram is trevor.p.thompson and you can find me there as well as my photography and my art everything's there everything's right beautiful all right glad we did this it was fun hell yeah man thanks brother absolutely everybody thank you