The Joe Rogan Experience - #1435 - Suzanne Santo & Gary Clark Jr.

Episode Date: March 3, 2020

Suzanne Santo is a singer/songwriter currently touring the world. Her new album releases soon with the single "Fall For That" featuring Grammy award winner, Gary Clark Jr.

Hello, everybody. That was so natural. That's how we do it here on a Monday afternoon. What the fuck has happened? Thank you guys for being here. I'm very excited. Thanks for having us. I was looking forward to this one.

Me too. For like, oh, man. So this is an intense one. I'm very excited. Giant fans of both of you, and I'm glad we could do this. Same. Likewise. What's up?

So much. So you guys want to start with a song? Yeah. Let's start with a song. We'll start with a song. Bad Beast? Bad Beast.

I love this song. All right. Okay. This is the first time we've done this together. Holy shit. Yeah. Look out, folks.

I'm so scared. We're good. We're good. All right. You good. All right. You ready? All right. All right. Give you an inch, yeah, you go for miles Dragging me behind you like I'm your child

Kicking and screaming, stuck on your leash The cow and the cream just licking his teeth, god damn There's a bad beast living in me Chaining me up and setting me free So we can do it over and over again And keep me down low Damned if I give in and damned if I don't Well, to hell with it then, yeah

Yeah, to hell with it then, yeah. To hell with it then. Yeah, I tried to rise above. I tried playing dead. Even tried calling up that ghost in my bed. He just laughed. Couldn't catch his breath, said he wasn't no match for that angel of death, God damn. There's a bad beast living in me, chaining me up. It set me free so he can do it over and over again It keep me down

Damned if I give in and damned if I don't Well, the hell with it then Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This'll bury me one day On Sunday Mama, won't you pray for me This'll bury me one day On Sunday Mama, won't you pray for me

This'll bury me one day On Sunday, Mama, won't you pray for me? So bury me one day on Sunday, Mama, won't you pray for me? I don't think that I'm weak I don't think I'm unfit I don't think I've even seen the thick of this shit. So I'll roll with the dirt. Please bulldoze in me. It'll hurt like a hearse. Carrying my grief, goddamn. There's a bad beast living in me.

Chaining me up and set me free so we do it over and over again and keep me down low damned if I give in and damned if I don't well the hell with it then yeah the hell with he there?

Yeah. That was so dumb. That was so cool. That was fucking awesome. Oh, man, Gary. That was so cool. That was fucking awesome. Oh, man, Gary. That was fun. We should do that again sometime. How many times have you guys performed together?

Not many. Maybe once at the Jameson thing. That was the first time? This is the second time, yeah. That was it. I just run into Gary at parties and festivals. That's so crazy. You guys never fucked around together?

Nothing before that one moment? No. I mean, we played a show. The first time we met was over 10 years ago, and we were just babies, you know? That show was so dope. It was really fun. That show that you guys did, that Jameson thing, was so dope. It was really fun. That show that you guys did, that Jameson thing, was so dope. Well, you remember that you were there, and then Jameson was like, why is this video going viral?

Because you tweeted or you posted it on your Instagram, and then they were all asking us about PR and stuff. It was hilarious. Midnight Rider is one of my all-time favorite songs. So when you guys went into that randomly, I'm like, oh, my God. When I used to get up in the morning, whenever I used to have to do morning radio, morning radio is like you've got to be funny at, like, 6.30 a.m., you know, and you've got to, like, shake the cobwebs off.

You might have just went to bed, like, four hours ago, right? Move around a little. So I would hit a joint and listen to midnight rider you would always that's that was my morning song midnight rider was my because when you're high first thing in the morning on your way to the radio there's a feeling you get when you listen to that song like these guys were just out there yeah it's a cruiser yeah oh my god but they they were they were free yeah you know. The music then was so free. Yeah.

There was something special about like that era music and that song and then to see you guys doing it together and to give it that Gary Clark Jr. sound. Yeah.

It's okay. You've got a sound. You've got a sound, man. It's amazing with all the fucking people playing guitar. I hear your sound. Like you have a sound that's special.

It's very different. Agreed. Agreed 100%. I don't know what the fuck you're doing, man. I don't either. I keep trying to steal his tricks. I don't know. You know what?

I have no idea. I have no idea what I'm doing. It's ignorance and a lot of fuzz and some reverb. Keep it up. And good vibes. Whatever the fuck it is. Let's be honest. I'm having fun getting to do it

you know what i mean dude that did you guys together with ben there was it was ben oh yeah and there was someone else right our drummer connor i believe that's right yeah that's right and you guys together god damn that was fun it's fun y'all take me too thanks yeah we you know i don't know uh when honey honey's gonna play again but we we did have we had a lot of, you know, I don't know when Honey Honey is going to play again, but we, we did have, we had a lot of fun. You know. You guys made some awesome songs. Thank you.

Thank you. Shout out to Ben. Shout out to Ben. E-hug to you fella. He feels that. Yeah. It's real. It's a real one.

It's a nice one. Love that dude. Oh man. So that's crazy that you guys had never done that before that one night. Well, you brought us on. You bestowed a great gift on Honey Honey by, because you played at the Ace that day. Yeah. Or that night.

And then we were brought in by Gary to do this after party sponsored by Jameson. Hence all the Jameson barrels and all the stuff. And it was so much fun. I mean, and it was in downtown LA, which like adds to it. Cause downtown LA is straight up blade runner these days. There's tents and homeless people by the thousands and gangs and weird

graffiti and dudes are lifting and closing garage doors in the middle of the night. They're filled with people inside. Yeah. I went down there the other day, man. I took my wife to some nice restaurant. The driver was like, bro, don't go anywhere else around here. Oh, my God. Just stay right here.

And then call it. Wow. That's so crazy. That's true. We filmed Fear Factor. We watched people smoke crack. Yeah. Jesus. Or meth, whatever they were smoking. They were smoking something. Oh, my God. crazy that's true we filmed fear factor that we watch people smoke crack yeah watching them or

meth whatever they were smoking they were smoking something and they were just doing it openly in the street like we were elevated in one of them little train buckets and we're looking down oh my god that's ironic this is crazy right there out in the street yeah little those little vials broken vials would be everywhere. It's crazy. It's like Mad Max. It is and it's also beautiful buildings. They've also built these insane apartment buildings there. It's gorgeous office buildings.

It's very strange. It's like there's a concerted effort to try to turn it into some like to gentrify downtown. I mean, it's happening but when you're in California, do you really want to live in downtown L.A.? Eddie Bravo loves downtown L.A. He doesn't live there, but he has his jiu-jitsu headquarters there.

Yeah, but you hang there, but you don't live there. Oh, is that the move? Yeah. It's a fun hang, but, you know, I want to, I don't know, I want to be in the canyons, the rolling hills of Los Angeles. Of course you do. Perhaps a beachfront property. A little bit of you. Me and Brad Pitt, remember?

That's right, you and Brad Pitt and your dream. I had a dream that I was late for the Joe Rogan podcast and I also had a dream that Brad Pitt and I were dating and I was in fact late, as we've talked about, so I can't see any reason why the other part of my dream

isn't going to come true. If you're a fan of nice ladies and good music, I got one for you. Oh. Did you see that Quentin Tarantino movie? I did. It was incredible. How weird was the violence? Oh, God.

It was tough. It was weird. I watched it with my parents. And what was ironic is they knew who all the characters were. Like, my dad said, oh, I'll bet that's Tex. I'll bet. Because those were real people, still are some of them. And, you know, that was kind of chilling to me to think about the fact that they knew by name who these Charlie Manson heads were by watching this movie.

Because, you know, way before my time. What a super, super popular story. And the other part about it is, like, those people that killed those folks, you know how the story turned out. Right. So you're expecting. Yeah. I love the happier ending. It's way better.

Yeah. It was nice. It's like Inglourious Bastards, too. You're just other Brad Pitt movie. Am I just plugging this one or what? Tarantino, he's a wizard. Yeah, he's amazing. He's the last guy allowed to make a movie like that.

Yeah. When I said the violence was shocking, I don't mean necessarily that it's bad. I'm not saying that. I'm saying shocking that in a movie in 2020, you could have a dude smash some girl's head in. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like, whoo! Like, this is wild. It's pretty insane.

But he's grandfathered in. I think Tarantino's grandfathered in right because everybody has always known him for having the wildest craziest fucking from Pulp Fiction straight on his whole career it's kind of to be expected the fucking Uma Thurman with the injection

and the heart I mean so many of his movies are like what the fuck that guy goes deep. He goes deep. Nobody goes deeper than Tarantino. But the thing is that he can still do a super ultra-violent movie and people consider it great art. And I think that's getting harder and harder to do.

Right? I think he's sort of, like, everybody knows that's a Tarantino movie. You're going to see some madness, right? But I think if a new person tried to do it, they would hit more woke reaction, more people like, are we really celebrating a scene where a guy smashes a woman's head into pulp? He does a good job of like getting the good guy to win. Oh, yeah. And we all want that so badly. So if anything, he's got a formula that continues to work.

Yeah, I want to see the bad guys get the shit kicked out of them. There's justice. Yeah, it's fucking great. It's fun entertainment. But there's sort of a resistance to certain narratives and certain kind of scenes certain kinds of depictions of violence that you shouldn't even have it for entertainment sake you know but god damn it's so nice having someone like him around yeah that just makes

i would love to i met him at the comedy store he's super nice cool uh but he makes madness you know you just you leave a tarantino movie like what the fuck pretty soon joe you're going to be in the next tarantino movie no i'm not into movies keep talking like this i'm not i'm not trying to be in any movies i just like to watch you know it's like i'm just appreciative you know that's great yeah no i'm with you that's one of the reasons why i'm appreciative of music too like i have no idea what's going on. Neither do we. Clearly you do. The sounds are consistent. You say you don't know what's going on.

I think you get a better knowledge of music than I do. Wow, Gary. Don't bullshit. Gary, I don't really know how to take that. Gary, how many instruments do you play? Just the guitar or do you play others? I just play this well enough to keep the lights on. Oh, my God.

He's humble, folks. So humble. I like to mess around on drums, but you're a multi-instrumentalist. Master of none, though. Master of none. Ah, well. It's been fun, though. I really started practicing every day.

I really, like, love it. You know, I used to practice because I was afraid of sucking, and now I practice because I really just want to play. Yeah. And I think there is a threshold that I crossed, like, a little while back. But I just, I need, I want to get so much better, you know. I'm sure you could relate to that. Like, it's just,'s just hard to be satisfied.

Do you find a struggle between being a person who concentrates on one aspect of music or one who concentrates on a bunch of different kinds of instruments? Yeah. It's like I haven't picked up my banjo in a year. Oh, wow. But also I think when your muscles are strong and you play one of them, all the string instruments are kind of like cousins. But the violin is the hardest one when I step away from it and then I come back.

That makes sense because it's such a crazy motion. Yeah. It's an emotional instrument, too. Yeah, you totally got it. You're crushing it. You're so good at the violin. That's because I've been making fun of people crying for so long. I know.

You're going gonna be okay I develop skills My mock violin game is strong Yeah, yeah It's gonna be alright The face Oh man It's true

It's such a weepy instrument It's a beautiful instrument No one's ever like Oh, sadness It's just so nice that those wizards of the past figured all these fucking things out. Yeah. You know? Oh, man.

Could you imagine being there when the first person sat down at the piano and was like. Oh, my God. Yeah. Imagine a life where people only could make noises with their mouth. But they were crazy people like Mozart and, you know, Beethoven. They went nuts. Well, wouldn't you go nuts if you were smart and you lived back then? I'm going to.

I only hope that'll be my future. How about one of you dummies figure out a toilet? Oh, for real. We won't all die of dysentery. Instead of working on your concerto. But everybody was thought to be crazy that had any idea outside the system. You know, they put Galileo under house arrest because he was figuring shit out about the universe. Did they really?

Yeah. That's crazy. Like, he ended his life on house arrest. He couldn't go anywhere. It's like, what in the world? Just because it was heresy. You piece of shit. Like, he was challenging the orthodoxy.

It's funny how that stuff manifests today. You know, the sort of same thing. It's a part of people. We like to control how people think and behave. And if we could do it under the guise of religion or under the guise of the correct politics or under the guise of anything. Social media. Anything. Anything we can do.

It's just a pattern of human behavior. You see it with, you know, right-wing people who want to get people fired. You see with right-wing people who want to get people fired. You see it with social justice warriors who want to get people fired. It's a pattern of human behavior. There's people that are the most aggressive soldiers for a cause. And they're at the front line of anything, good or bad. And sometimes people get fired. People get in trouble.

Chaos ensues. I just feel like these days I really struggle with, like, you never really know the truth. It's hard. And it's so frustrating because I want to be on the front lines of information and know what's going on in my country, in the world. But I get so fucking frustrated. And I'm really struggling with it, to be honest. You should. It makes me insane.

You know, and it's hard to put things into perspective, too. Yeah. Like this coronavirus thing is a good example of that. It's got everybody on edge. And we all should be on edge for diseases, don't get me wrong. Why are we not on edge that 500,000 people die

every year from cigarettes? Yeah. They die prematurely from cigarette... That is an insane pile of bodies. That happens every year. We're barely worried about that. Like, yeah, you should probably quit smoking, but whatever, live your life, sister. Yeah, but I mean, there's a difference between

catching the coronavirus. I've been not leaving the house for like a week. I haven't left the house for a week. I've been sitting outside smoking cigarettes trying to avoid the coronavirus. I get it. That might be the way to do it. Maybe you burn it.

So fucked. Maybe there's like some good antioxidants in whatever brand. Oh, there's a solid point there. It's a good point. Oh, man. Yeah.

Man. They're good for your brain. I've had a couple of cigarettes. I've had them with my friend Tony Hinchcliffe right before I went on stage. And I was like, whoa. And then I had one when I worked with Chappelle. I smoked a cigarette with him before every show.

And I was like, oh, I get it. I see what's going on. I just thought it was stupid. But it's like a little drug. It's a little woo. It's a little. No, having a good cigarette from time to time. They say it's a nootropic.

That nicotine actually enhances brain function. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That it has a similarotropic that it actually nicotine actually enhances brain function really yeah that it has a similar effect to other nootropics like um you know really yeah yeah like alpha brain or and any of those but like one cigarette yeah kind of like an occasional cigarette is that we're talking about nicotine in and of itself is a stimulant that i'm saying cigarettes what i really mean is nicotine but that nicotine in any form whatever you can get it if you chew if you smoke a cigar if you get it totally chew it does something to your brain it actually enhances the way your brain functions okay maybe a little bit of your memory maybe a little bit of your verbal uh your your dictionary being

able to pull words quicker well here's a crazy story. I don't think so. You don't think so? Doesn't work for me. Well, maybe it's because you've been doing it a long time. I think you've probably like, you've probably flatlined. Yeah, yeah. You got many benefits out of it. My grandmother had a brain aneurysm

when she was like in her 40s. Whoa. And she, my family's in the restaurant business in Cleveland and they just opened a new store and the story goes like this. She was, they weren't up to code or something and they needed to like clean the shit out of this place so they could get their, you know, license or whatever. So she was really stressed out and she, she felt a pop and heard, she said it like uh running water in her ears and she called my

uncle george and she smoked a cigarette outside and waited for him and went to the hospital sure as shit she had a brain aneurysm and the doctor said that the cigarette was probably it probably saved her life because your blood vessels uh they constrict, right? Is that the— When you smoke? Who's the doctor here? Oh, I am. What do you need, ma'am? Okay, Dr. Rogan. I know I'm going to get in trouble for this. Oh, don't worry.

I'm a doctor. But anyway, she survived the brain aneurysm. It was like, you know—but the story is that the cigarette had a lot to do with her making it to the hospital alive. Are you sure that she didn't make that up? Well, she's probably—she also did a couple rails of cocaine. And sorry, Dad. I know he's going to listen to this. Nicotine causes your blood vessels to constrict or narrow, which limits the amount of blood

that flows in your organs. Wow. There you go. So folks, if you have an aneurysm, start smoking. You never, quick, get to the closest pack of cigarettes. No, no, no. You want to go camels. No filter, right?

Yeah, right. That would be the whole note of the day. Oh, I'm so sorry. When I used to hang out in the pool hall, the dudes who would smoke those filterless cigarettes were the most savage humans. Yeah. I knew a guy would break the filters off. Then you'd just get a bunch of tobacco in your mouth.

He didn't give a fuck. He was there to gamble. He didn't care. How were his teeth? They weren't that good. I would imagine so get a bunch of tobacco in your mouth. He didn't give a fuck. He was there to gamble. He didn't care. How were his teeth? They weren't that good. I would imagine so. They weren't that good. Yeah. Woof. It was a guy that I met when I was in a pool hall in White Plains, New York. It's one of the first times I really understood

what gambling addiction is. I used to pass it off as being no big deal. But being around real gambling addicts, and ones that I liked. They're nice guys. This White Plains Charlie was a nice guy. He couldn't stop gambling.

He couldn't stop gambling. And he was a pretty decent pool player. And he would win occasionally. But he would always want to play people for money. He'd always want other people to back him. Like, come on, get behind me. I can fucking beat this guy. And no matter what it it was he had to be in action all day long and in new york you can bet on horse races oh yeah somehow or another they make this fucking you know they won't let you have casinos in new york city but you could go to these off-track betting places

this fucking guy couldn't stop gambling all day long and And then I started to study him as his friend. He was quite a bit older than I was. When I was in my 20s, he was probably already 60. Did you file that under the what not to do category of your studies? Filed that under, oh, I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't grow up around gamblers. So watching this guy, I was like, whoa, this is crazy. These guys are all addicts.

Well, like the old folks that like the slot machine addiction, also have screen addictions on like tablets and stuff like that yeah yeah but this guy would snap the filters off cigarettes fuck you gross because i ain't in it for a long time where where is he now he's dead as fuck i'm sorry to hear that yeah yeah he's dead as fuck feel like i'm not surprised it's i i enjoy this company for the brief amount of time that I get to hang out with him. And he's kind of a legendary character around White Pailings, New York, pool halls. Yeah, he was a great guy. That's where when I first moved from Boston to New Jersey, I was around a lot of these weird characters at this one particular pool hall.

Is this from comedy stuff? Well, one part of Is this from comedy stuff? Well, one part of it was from comedy stuff because my friend John Tobin, who was also a stand-up comedian, I was friends with him first, and he started working at this pool hall. And then I'm like, wow, let's go fucking play some pool. So you've been pool sharking for a long time.

Yeah, but it was just being around weirdos. This is the point. I'm not that good a pool player. The first time I played pool with Joe, he put a glove on. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? What is this? It was very intimidating. It's embarrassing to hear.

And you were like, we're very serious. I take it serious. I love playing. I mean, I'm not trying to do anything to you. It's the balls. Like, I have to play the balls correctly. They demand respect. Don't I know it.

That was the first time I was ever. That's terrible. People want you to take it easy on them. That was the first time I was ever around legitimate. I realized I definitely had a point somewhere at the beginning of this, but I've lost it. You were meeting all these characters in New Jersey. Pool halls and comedy. Understanding addictions. people understanding addictions

like gambling addictions I don't know how we started on gambling addictions I don't either this is all so ridiculous but I just didn't think it was real I think that's what it was

oh the addiction oh totally I thought they were just being weak and then being around people that were like really addicted to gambling I'm like this is just

like a drug this is like a drug they're giving themselves it's an escapism. It is that. But it's also, they don't go to the drugstore. They go to the, oh my God, what the fuck have I done store? And it just gets them all day.

Like, fuck. And then occasionally they win. Yay, fuck you. High highs and high lows. And low lows. You know, it's a thing. I am a gambler. You know?

A big time gambler? How much have you lost? Not a lot. I play poker regularly. What's the big hit? What's the number one hit? I mean, I don't have a lot of money. What the fuck?

Even if it's $100 then. The most I won in one sitting was literally $500. Just like I was at a three card poker table. But I like home games. I like playing poker with my friends. You like taking your friends' money? Yeah. Ooh.

100%. Yeah. That's a hard yes. You find a lot out about someone when you beat them at a game. Well, it's a mental game, too. Do they get pissy with you in real life? No. You know what? You don't want to play cards with someone who's going to be a dick.

It has to be fun. But it's interesting. It is. It's interesting. They get angry after the game's over. Yeah. Right? No.

Some dudes could lose 20 bucks and be pissed at you for a year. Yeah, that's fun. Good times. It's a little gratifying. But it's weird that we get so personally invested in the way cards lay out yeah to the point we're like fuck you you're always getting these fucking aces well it's half that and it's also your you know this the this game and you have to read people and like you can see how people hold their hand i can usually tell if someone's got cards you know you just pay attention do you

think that's what poker is it's like part like amateur psychic part a game of of craft and skill yeah i also just like the hang of when my landlord has a card game downstairs and i just walk downstairs with a bottle of tequila and have so much fun and don't need to leave the house and make a couple hundred bucks and then go back upstairs in my apartment you know what makes me think it's hypnosis is those dudes that wear sunglasses at the table. Right. The threat of looking like a douche is nothing to them in comparison to the threat of

someone looking into their eyes. They would rather have that extra shield. It seems to me a wise move. I respect it. I respect that. So you're saying I should wear sunglasses the next home? Always. Okay, fine. Thanks, guys. I saw Jay-Z in the crowd at the UFC once. Nighttime, sunglasses.

I'm like, yep, I get it. You don't want anybody looking in your eyes. Jay-Z, it must be annoying. I got a record. I got a record. A bunch of dudes might be annoying him all the time. That's how I feel about wearing hats on stage.

I feel like I can get out of here. Perfect. That's the move right there. That's the move. I feel like I can get out of here. Perfect. I love it. That's the move. I feel like he could wear better sunglasses. No, no, no. Those are perfect for his look. Are they?

Yeah, look at this thing around his neck, the beads. Mardi Gras beads? Yeah, he's partying. That's a fat stack of chips. So he showed his boobs for that necklace? No, he's got money, baby. He's got money. Look at all them chips. There's something pretty spectacular about one of those guys that can win those fucking World Series of Pool shit.

You know who does that? Who? Bruce Buffer. Bruce Buffer from the UFC. Really? Yeah, giant poker player. Loves that shit. He's always in like that.

Poker or pool? Poker. Did I say pool? You did. I was looking at that fat guy's boobs. I was thinking of things rolling. I didn't mean to bro yeah it was it was it was distracting chips i meant chips yeah but uh bruce buff is a

killer post poker player like a legit one yeah he gets an old world series i feel like you'd be really good at poker i can't no chance really zero desire to be sitting nothing's happening yeah but you paper but you can. I'm bored. Oh, okay. That's fair. That's fair. But I feel like as a martial artist who your mind game is such a big element, I feel like you would crush it at a poker table.

Probably not. Hashtag powerful. It's not fun to watch for me. Copy that. If I watch it, I go, I get it. I get it. I get sucked into that trap. Look, I won't push it on you, but I might call you the next time we have a home game.

It'd be really fun to have you there. I'm terrible. I'll just talk shit. I'll just go there and talk shit until people lose. There you go. Or until I lose. I'm not good at it. It's just because, look, same with golf.

Like, I've been told to try golf, and I'm like, I'm not interested. I can't see you as a golfer. I can't. I don't want to get into it. I don't want to get stuck. You guys are stuck. Yeah. You guys are stuck in something that takes eight hours to do.

I don't got time. I'm not trying to be up there. I'll putt-putt, but I just won't golf. My comedian friends would get into golf. They'd go on the road together with fucking giant golf bags and shit and travel across the country. Hey, we'll do golf in the day and then we'll do jokes at night. They're always exhausted. You're walking around all day with clubs and shit and travel across the country and we'll do golf in the day and then we'll do jokes at night they're always exhausted you're walking around all day with clubs and shit is there a

workout element to it like do you i guess you're walking if you're poor because you got to carry your clubs but it's also like just the whole thing you're walking around this course right for hours and hours and you know like like lining up shots and then moving to the next shot and you're concentrating all day. Yeah. That shit takes forever. Yeah. Yes. And it's, guys love it.

They love it. Especially rich dudes. Like, rich old dudes who do business love to play golf. They get together and they fucking swat that ball around and chase it. Things that require, like, an investment in the gear. Bro, we got virtual reality now. You're out there walking around on the field looking for a ball. You mean like Golden Tee?

I get it. It's a super skillful game. But to me, it's interesting as an outsider who's never been bit by the bug. I know that if I tried it, I'd probably get bit by that golf bug. It seems like everybody does. It's an amazing game. Do you have an extracurricular sport that you're into, like tennis? No, never done.

That seems to me a recipe for meniscus damage that I need for other stupid shit I do. Yeah, I see. I need to keep my meniscus healthy for other stupid shit. Know thyself. I love tennis. I would get so mad if I couldn't do jujitsu because I played tennis. I'd be like, oh. Yeah.

That'd be a major hit. That'd be so stupid. That'd be so stupid. This ball doesn't mean anything. I don't care. Get the ball. Take it. Take the fucking ball.

Okay. Take the ball, not my meniscus. I don't care about the ball. I don't care about that ball. You know? That's a solid reason not to play tennis. For real, imagine what it must have been like the first time a human being invented a musical instrument. For real. Imagine how crazy this is. Had to have been the drum, right?

Maybe. Probably. Yeah, probably. Animal skin. right maybe probably yeah probably animal skin maybe some sort of a reed that someone blew yeah wind through yeah made sound mimicking what the wind was doing or bird calls trying to trying to lure that turkey in i don't know what they sound like oh my god some guys can do that insane yeah there's yeah you would know all your hunting buddies and stuff they have legit turkey calling contests and elk calling contests.

Or men. That's insane. Grown men with families. Grown men who vote and pay taxes. Wow. Are screaming. Is it televised? Oh, my God, it is.

No. I mean, maybe the Sportsman's Channel might have some footage on it. But mostly, but you can find it on the internet. It's these dudes. Okay. Yeah. These dudes, they have these turkey calling contests. Oh, my God. they they yeah of course they have uh these turkey calling contests oh my god and they're like try to sound the most like a turkey do they do with

their voices or like instruments or what they can do it i can't do it with my voice clearly i don't know i feel like that was pretty good and the elk one they put like a little a little thing in their mouth like it's almost like a it's like reed. It's like a flat reed and it sits on the top of your mouth. And they blow into a tube and make these sounds like a really horny male elk. And they have contests. Who's judging us?

I know. It's crazy. Who is? How do you know? How do you know if it's a good call or not? It's a good question. It's a good question. It's a really good question. But it's a good question it's a good question wow it's a really good question yeah wow

but it's an art form for sure it is when you hear it there's dudes who can do it and make it sound exactly like an elk

and you're like wow and they can talk they've been around elk for decades so they can kind of talk elk shit and they're also

attracted to them a little bit a little bit probably a little bit well they're beautiful majestic animals don't get weird okay I'm not getting weird who's getting weird but sounds like that that's probably one of the first sounds right and mimicking animals

yeah but then someone figured out how to make a fucking guitar and no one's topped that shit since stop and think about that for a while. Whoever the fuck made the guitar, that person nailed it. Well, they were made out of, like, cat gut or, like, animal intestines for the strings in the beginning. I know that. Imagine how bored you have to be before you start doing that. How does anyone invent anything? I mean, that is nuts. That's some cat gut.

That's some cat gut. I'm going to dry it out. I don't even know how they do it. About a fucking big old wooden thing that I hollowed out for a year yeah when did like the scales like when did tone become a thing this is fascinating

I feel like I should know this I don't think it's possible to know should we write it on the staples notepad learn about where the sounds came from what do you think the year was? Was it like the Egyptians? Like who was the first musical instrument creator?

Was it the Egyptians that we know of? Like where there's a depiction and an image of a musical instrument. Was it like a harp or something like that? When do you think that would have been? Well, I would think, yeah. I mean, what year time frame are we talking here for i don't either well well egyptians it was a long long empire but they were alive this is how crazy it is cleopatra was closer her life existed closer to the birth of the iphone than it did

to the construction of the pyramids what What? Yes. What? Yes. How? Because Egypt has been around for a long fucking time. Yeah. Yeah. 2,500 BC is the estimated year that they built the Great Pyramid of Giza. And Cleopatra was like, I think she died. She died in AD.

And she died closer, again, closer to the iPhone. It was like she died the first couple centuries or something, A.D. That's crazy. So the Egyptian empire had been around for fucking thousands of years. Do you ever think about, in the alien sense, all the conspiracies surrounding the pyramids and things, do you ever wonder about more of the extraterrestrial affiliations with the Egyptians? Not just the Egyptians, but with human beings. And this is why. Because it sounds ridiculous.

It sounds ridiculous when you talk about it. And because it sounds ridiculous when you talk about it, people don't like to talk about it. So it doesn't get considered as being a potential reality. But we're so different than every other thing on this rock. There's nothing even close to us. We're so weird. We make music. We can talk.

We can send video through the sky. We understand humor. We understand nuance. We understand chaos and peace and love. And we're constantly making newer and better shit. And there's nothing like us. Everything else is just trying to mate. Eat and mate. That's it, right?

Even dolphins. Dolphins are as smart as us, apparently. Or maybe even smarter. They have a giant head. They have huge brains. They're sonar-capacitant. They have all this shit that we can't even comprehend. Their language is complex.

We don't even know what it is. We know they have a language, but we don't even know what they're saying. They also like to play. They have games. Same know what they're saying. They also like to play. They have games. Same with a lot of birds. Crows like to play. But we're so different. Yeah.

We make crazy shit. We can nuke us. We can nuke each other. We can fucking power our phones with the sky. I mean, we're weird. We're like, this fucking wind. I want to turn that shit into electricity. We figure out how to make windmills and planes that soar through the atmosphere.

Everything else is just fucking and eating. Well, sometimes we're going crazy. All the way nuts. Right. Well, like back to where did music come from? You know, sometimes I wonder if like the people that came up with these things. Obviously, you can go to school and learn a trade or become a master of your craft or engineering. But sometimes I wonder if it's just like some weird other dimensional source that comes out of nowhere. That's what I think ideas are.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Ideas. I think all – I've been saying this for a long time. I think we should think of ideas as a life form that's trying to propagate itself. Because everything that you see came from an idea. Everything. Yeah. Every invention, everything.

Every song that you've ever written and sang. Every book that's ever been read. All that stuff. Yeah. Every book ever written came from an idea. And then boom, it's a real thing like imagine if ideas because we don't know where they're coming from i feel like that when i write sometimes i'm like what the fuck do you ever feel like that was like almost like a gift like

something's giving you a gift yes like a chant like it was a channel of sorts like yes but at where because it it's weird i i i i don't want this to be misinterpreted. Like, I 100% give you credit for creating it. I don't. That's not what I'm saying. Yeah, we can cut that bullshit. But I'm just saying that to people that might get weird about this, that don't get where I'm coming from. What I'm coming from is everybody that I know that creates things has a very similar narrative.

They're like, it's coming out of nowhere. Like, I just have to be there to get it. You know? There's a thing where you're in the group, and particularly if you spend a lot of time on it, and you're working at it, and you're passionate about it, and you're focused on it. It's almost like a muse, even if it's not real, it's still real. Because there's an accuracy to, like, if you pretended that there was some God that was bestowing upon you these amazing ideas, if you focused on it, and if you led the correct life and lived the right path, then it would give you these gifts if you focused on your art form.

And that would be like, if someone told you that there was a God doing that, you're like, oh God, that's so ridiculous. What do you give a shit? Who's doing it? It's the same thing. It's like a God's doing it for you. It really does work. Like if you focus on what you're trying to do, these weird moments do come out where

creativity like pops up and you don't know where it came from you have an idea will come to you i think it's equal not equal parts but it's you know when you put in the effort to like keep the muscle flex like the creative one where you're writing regularly or you're practicing regularly and then you also kind of let it, you know, sort of come in. You know, I saw Dan Harmon speak once at one of Duncan Trussell's live podcasts. And he had this he said he called it the gingerbread man theory. And he said it was almost like he was a giant. I don't know why this was what he said, but he was a gingerbread man. And there was a big hole in the top of his head.

And there was all this shit falling into this hole from somewhere. And every once in a while, about 10 percent of it would lightly dust the rim inside of the gingerbread jar. And that was him. And the rest was other stuff. Jesus Christ. I thought that was really interesting. I know, right? I love Rick and Morty. I love Rick and Morty.

I love Rick and Morty so much. Oh, my God. But, you know, think about that and then watch Rick and Morty if you do. You'll be like, oh, I get it. I totally get it. I do get it. Yeah. I do get it.

Wow. That's hilarious. But you also have to, like, put in an effort to inspire yourself, inform yourself, read, learn, grow, live, and then you put all that together and you know have you have we ever talked about the war of art steven pressfield book yeah for anybody that's into it's not just like writing but it's kind of about writing but it's also about like i think everything there's a weird thing that we call that you know we call procrastination and and he calls it resistance in the book it's really interesting

because you realize like what it is there's this weird thing that tries to keep people from being their best at stuff try keep there's like a weird confusion and stress about it that keeps you from focusing on what you really need to do to be a true professional and he sort of lays it out in the book in a way that makes you go oh yeah i never thought because he figured it out like when he was like 40 years old yeah figured out what he had been doing wrong changed his direction and then became like super successful as a writer yeah and is like really respected as a writer and this book is one of the most interesting things because you know like his history that he kind of figured out how to get out of his own way and just show up yep and puts in the work well because i think a lot of it's subconscious too it's like you want to succeed and you want to you know grow and evolve but then there's these obstacles of like

yeah but you know what today i'm gonna do this i'm gonna you know you know what i gotta i gotta call you know you just kind of procrastinate in this it's it's a powerful force you know and and that can grow into so many things you know your self-doubt they know i'm not ready i can't do that i'm not ready i can't play that show or whatever you know i'm not that's not a good example but it seems like there's a wrestling match in creative people's heads particularly like performance artists like you guys are like comedians or singers or anybody where there's a wrestling match between like creating stuff and and and being disciplined putting in a lot of a lot of work or slacking off and feeling like oh my god i gotta get back to work again and then being

really excited to work hard and get going again and some people fall too far into one way or the other and there's like a weird balance in there like you almost like have to be scared yeah fuck yeah you know i'm saying yeah i think that because that's that's your vulnerability is a big part of of it's you know giving an honest thing to a crowd when you're playing music or comedy. You know, I think that. Sorry, I feel like I'm talking too much, Gary. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't worry about it.

We're all going to talk for a long time. Yeah, we are. Yeah, we usually do. Just express yourself. It's OK. I I've played music with folks and I don't want to like say, say this in a, in a knock against, uh, conservatory, uh, students and things like that. But I found that people that are really, really smart in the, um, musical education element. And, and, you know, again, I got a lot of friends and I hope I'm not stepping on any toes. But it's almost like harder for them to vibe out because they're so smart and they're they're almost mathematical with their playing. Whereas like Gary, like, let's just fucking rock.

Like, let's hang out and like find the thing where I think sometimes I've felt like when I've played with people that I know I'm going to get so much shit for this. I'm so I'm like kind of embarrassed to say it. You are. I am going to get so much shit for this so I'm kind of embarrassed to say it. No, no, no. Listen, you are. You're a nice person and you're going to say it in a nice way. I'm trying to find the middle ground that's like I'm not going to piss off too many people. That's not always the case. There are some

brilliant, but the vibe is where it's at. So what I'm trying to say is yes, you can go to school and be the smartest and know the map frontwards and backwards, but if you can't feel it when you're playing live and playing with other people, then there's a huge missing element. That's what I want to

say. I don't want to, but I think that you almost have more of an obstacle when you are, you have that kind of intelligence with music because it's upstairs. Gary, do you agree with that? Or are we fighting? Are you guys fighting?

We're not, no. I'm going to be the referee. We're not fighting, John. No, but I think I understand exactly what you're saying. But I kind of simplify it like this. I think of it like a radio. Back in the day when you would tune a radio um you try and dial in whatever station and you get that clear channel sometimes you'd have to

move yourself sometimes you'd have to just like you know get yourself in that place and i think that as a musician for me what i'm trying to do is gather information around me gather little things and not consume myself with it so when I'm in that place to receive that inspiration or that thought or that melody, whatever that is, I'm not clouding myself with doubt or this isn't what this person's doing or whatever. I'm just here in this with everybody, but I'm like, all right, I'm going to dial this in.

So the noise goes away a little bit less. So you're a good listener as a player. I don't know if this makes sense, but that's how I see it. It's like, how can I, as an artist, how can I dial into that channel? How can I be the receiver and get that clearest thing? And whatever you were talking about with the gingerbread, you know what I'm saying?

That little piece of you at the top is like, you're holding on to that thing. Yeah. And, you know, putting that all out there as a force, it makes sense to me, but that sounds stupid. No, it doesn't sound stupid. But it's like some people are so consumed with giving what they know. Right, right, right. And pushing everything out there,

that they're not taking the time to sit back and listen and just shut the fuck up for a minute and listen to this beautiful inspiration that comes out of nowhere. Just listen to yourself, your inner thoughts, that being. So when you show up to a place and you're jamming, of course it's going to be somebody who just comes in and just gives you everything that they know. Right.

And be like, yo, I just crushed this thing without accepting the fact that we're a collective here. Yeah, there's other people playing. We're trying to all tune into the same station. And that's when that magic happens. That's when you let yourself go and be that it's writing or jamming or playing whatever recording can i ask you is this approach um something that you've evolved or something you knew intuitively from the jump that this is how you need to like tune out and like look at things from don't get too like the way you're describing

your ability to shut the fuck up and look at the world and draw inspiration from the world. Is that something that came to you in time or is it something that you always kind of intuitively knew? I just I think it goes back to like sitting around smoking weed with my friends and just like, you know, not getting caught up with the bullshit. and just like, you know, not getting caught up with the bullshit. Not getting caught up with the bullshit. Not putting so much pressure on myself to be what it is that, you know, is happening in the music business. God, that's such a gift. Be this type of an artist or be this.

It's like just who am I? And listening to myself, I feel like is listening to the, you know. This is going to sound. Tune into that channel. This is going to sound. Tune into that channel. This is going to sound goofy, but that's what comes out in your music. When you did that Midnight Rider cover. Jamie, find that shit.

Oh, no. Find it. Play it. We must play it and embarrass them. Oh, no. It was such a wonderful moment because I hate using the word wonderful, but I really mean it.

It's the only word for that spot. We know it's just going to be a big resurgence of the whole cell phone thing again. They don't understand. No rehearsal. You guys never sang together. You didn't do shit together. You guys bust out Midnight Rider. I couldn't. I love that song. I couldn't tell you the fucking words. If I had to sing it right now, I'd be like, ooh, I might fuck it up. I don't. I, you know, like I said, that was my early morning smoke weed and go to the radio song.

That's a fucking amazing song. Oh, my God. This is one of my happiest moments as an audience. That's Gary Clark Jr. sound right there. Texas, baby. What are you playing a 335 Yeah. Yeah. I know.

Oh, God. I know. Oh, God. Fuck, that's good. That was fun. God damn, that was fun. That was fun. Oh, man. But that's what I was talking about.

You have a sound, man. If somebody played me that riff, I'd be like, that's Gary Clark Jr., 100%. Really? Or someone pretending to be him. Well, that's cool. I'd like to piggyback that because when you came in and played on my tune in July, you were just straight

into the amp and you were doing things with the guitar that I was like, how the fuck is he doing that? It's you, it's this guitar, but you didn't have any pedals. You were just straight in. Yeah, I was just out there. It was great.

You know, I have video of you playing, and I love it because you're just so sweaty. I was a hot, sweaty man. Well, it's a good story because, and I'm just like so grateful it worked out. But we, my dear friend John Spiker, who produced the record, he he's a hell of a guy. And it was like the whole day we had texted about you coming in and you were flying in from Austin with your family. And you said, I think I'm going to make it. And you and then you said you couldn't make it. And John Spiker, what he also plays bass in tenacious d and tenacious d was having this like secret show happening for kyle gas's birthday in in burbank and john was kind of

like md-ing the whole the whole night and all this stuff and so i was like gary can't make it and then like a little while later you're like i can make it i'm getting in an uber i'm headed to the studio and then i was like shit john we gotta go we gotta go to the studio and i couldn't get a hold of him because he's in soundcheck so i'm like calling all his friends and i'm like we gotta go we gotta go and then finally he's like i'll be there in 20 minutes i was like me too and we get to the studio and the um the air conditioning wasn't quite on so and it was in july so it was like 100 degrees outside and it was very hot in there like like kind of kind of insane and we had a half an hour for gary to play you did like seven passes and it was so amazing i have video of this and i i can't

if i haven't sent it to you i have to because it's so great and you're just fucking shredding and sweating and then when you left you're like i feel like I just played a show because it was so hot. And it was great. It was one of my favorite days. And then I got to go watch Tenacious D playing the shitty bar. And it was honestly, I was just like, this was a great day. That's amazing. We've been trying to do something together.

Yeah, I'm so stoked, man. This song is fire. So I appreciate you. Thank you, likewise. is fire so i appreciate you thank you likewise but yeah great guitar is something that's been a part of this you know the music history of great guitar is uh it's a crazy history you know it's it's one of the absolute most powerful inventions that human beings ever created was the guitar and then the electric guitar because some of the fucking inspiration has come from some songs yeah that just just make you just jump and scream and dance around your

house I mean stop and think about I mean there's the vocals for sure there's there's the singing there's the bass there's the drums but goddamn a fucking electric car guitar needs to be there. That's the one variable you can't remove. Guitarists change lives. They do. Yeah, agreed. They make you fucking pumped. You can be on an elliptical machine ready to quit

and kickstart my heart comes on. Come on! Oh, God. Come on. That will fire you the fuck up you'll find that extra juice that's hilarious that's so funny that you say that is what motivates you because when I'm like on tour and

I don't want to work out I think about you saying conquer your inner bitch and I'll be like fucking god I get to that gym downstairs we all have that inner bitch oh sure do we all have that inner bitch it's like'll be like, fucking God, I get to that gym downstairs. We all have that inner bitch. Oh, sure do. We all have that inner bitch that's like, come on.

Some of us have an outer bitch too. You just need your rest. You need to sleep. 10 hours isn't enough. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Let's have a coffee.

Let's just have a, let's eat something and then let it digest and we'll work out later. Right? We all play little weird mind games. That's your inner bitch. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, in all transparency though, the per the workout you know portion of this conversation i definitely at this point in my life work out harder than i ever did in my 20s wow i i love it that's awesome it makes me feel so good would you start doing um well you know i last year when i i played with hosier the irish dude um you know we had a lot we had a big tour and one of the girls in the band rachel beauregard this amazing woman she's a yoga instructor and just like kind of an like natural athlete and she would just work us out almost every day and so every day day we would do, like, just about every day, you know, yoga or, like, circuit training. Or she'd, like, have a group text in the gym. And it just, like, my mental game alone was just to have that release almost every day. It was great.

And I used to be pretty lazy with it, with working out. And so now I do, I work out almost every day, if not every other day. I like take a day off every other day. That's fucking awesome. Yeah, thanks. Just trying to make you proud. Do you feel better? So much better. Across the board. But like, you know, I love my body, but I also love like the, just the

effort, you know. I feel good. And then I can go drink as much as I want and I don't feel bad about it. Well, there goes that health endorsement. No, I'm going to get like a Buffalo Trace endorsement. That's what I'm really angling for. Come on now.

Yeah, I think the real problem is drinking and not working out. I really think that. By the way, cheers, everybody. Salute. Love you guys. I love you that. Yeah. By the way, cheers, everybody. Cheers. Salute. Love you guys. I love you guys, too. That's hilarious. It's fun.

But it's, I mean, so many people that are suffering from depression that don't work out. I'm like, please, people, please, please. It's a world changer. It's better than a drug. That and meditation. Yeah. But you can just, you don't even have to fucking go somewhere, man.

There's so many videos online. If you're depressed, just please, please just try something physical. There's a drug that comes out when you do something physical. And you could do simple burpees in your apartment. You could do something. But there's something that happens when you work out. It's not just like a vanity project. There's actual benefits benefits to the your outlook

you know and that's what people there's people that make rationalizations and they base those rationalizations off the worst negative stereotypes of someone who works out all the time you know crossfit bros or bodybuilder dudes yeah but most of those people are like pretty happy you know a lot happier than you bitch yeah it's true it's true. It's totally true. Not only you, obviously. Yeah, I was like, you really pointed at me, and I was like, wait a second. I meant that person out there critiquing and criticizing them. That's what I meant.

There's so many people that, you know, I think we have requirements. I think our body has requirements in terms of energy expenditure and also threat. There's worry about nature itself. And when that doesn't exist anymore, I think the best thing that you could do is challenge yourself all the time with stuff and like one of the best way to challenge yourself is like do something that's difficult and do something physical because physical things are always difficult so if you do something difficult meaning something that you have to concentrate on getting better at and think about and then also

do something physically difficult so that your body gets its demands and you can see things more clearly. Right. Because there's the people that don't ever get a hold of their body also don't get a hold of their emotions. Right. They spaz out. Well, you know, per the CrossFit thing, too, it's like there's a sense of community there, too.

Like these folks, they have each other's backs. They're motivating each other. And, you know, a lot of times when you kind of are like i'm gonna hit the gym and you kind of go solo there's a different uh trajectory i think you know i mean some some people can do a really good job at that i personally can't i will crap out pretty early and just be like yeah it's pretty good you know but if someone's pushing me then i'll stick stick with it. I couldn't agree more. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. The best way is for a class that's fun, like a jiu-jitsu class or an MMA class or a CrossFit class. I know there's F45 and Orange Theory.

Yeah, my friends are into that. Yeah, a lot of people are into that because there's a bunch of people working out together. It's motivational. But I don't do well when someone kind of makes fun of me for not keeping up like i was in a spin class once and this this and i i've never really spun before and uh i was it was hurting my back for some reason like i don't think i had my bike at the right height or whatever not to make an excuse for myself but i wasn't keeping up and the instructor kept calling me out in the class and being like i know you hate me there in the back in the red pants i was like yes i do bitch i fucking hate you and i'm never coming back here again i was so mad

that's so funny there's something about people making fun of people that they think is effective i didn't like to get you to get going i'd rather have positive reinforcement that's usually you're doing good let's keep going see that would have been in the middle of a fucking class you're vulnerable you're exhausted so vulnerable so vulnerable you know but that's that's a physical and it's also like a social experience like when you do a class with a bunch of folks because you kind of feed off each other's energy whether you like to admit it or not you know you kind of like it's fun you see everybody's pushing yeah so i feel about yoga class i could do yoga by myself but i like it a lot better if i'm in a room full of people

we're all in this fucking struggle together yeah 90 minutes of bullshit yeah no speaking of yoga i took a yoga class yesterday walk out of my class in silver lake duncan trussell standing there and i think he was there for the uh afternoon mindful meditation oh that sounds like duncan yeah probably high as fuck yeah i didn't even know if you were really you. You know what? Honestly, I said hi, and he went, hey, and looked away. And then I took my sunglasses off, and I was like, hey, it's me, Suzanne. And he was like, oh. I don't think he actually. You're a CIA plant trying to drag him away from his happy family.

Love you, buddy. Duncan Truss was one of the great influencers. He's amazing. I did his podcast a couple months ago. It was really fun. He might have the best Twitter page in the known universe because he's the only one that's never succumbed to taking anything seriously. Yeah.

He has the most preposterous suggestions for the future in the world. Yeah. His fucking Twitter page is amazing. Yeah. It's so funny. He's a funny dude. He's so smart, too. What is that?

I don't know. Is that on his page? Yeah. It's a bloody dick? What is that? It looks like... Yo, what the... What is that? Is that on his page? It's a bloody dick. What is that? It looks like. Yo, what the. What is that?

I took the fake salami challenge. I don't know. I don't know what that is. I don't know what it is either, but I'm disturbed. Yeah, I don't know what's happening. I don't know what's happening. That looks like. I don't know.

That's Duncan. That's a good detour. Yeah. If you've never met him. His whole fucking Twitter page. He's a fascinating fellow. He's hilarious. He's a hilarious comedian.

Duncan and I became friends when he worked at the comedy store. He was one of the people. He was a comic there, but he was also the dude who you would call in. Like, if you're in town, you'd say, hey, man, I'm in town Monday and Wednesday, and they put you on the lineup. Right. So I'd call Duncan. And I would give him my days, and then we would wind up talking on the phone for, like,

fucking hours. Like, dude, do you know about Alistair Crowley? Of course. Oh, my God. Crazy conversations about witchcraft and fucking psychics and UFOs and the reptilians. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And then we just became tight just from talking on the phone when I would call in for my reservations or the days that I was in town. And then we started

doing gigs together. He's one of the most interesting people I've ever met in my life. I don't know anyone like him. He's incredible. He's fascinating. He's unique. I don't know if it's okay to say this on air. Don't say it. Keep it together.

No, but he continues to he's like yeah, there will no but like he he continues to like in like he's like yeah there's no one like him no he's a he's a truly unique gem yep and i'll tell you that story later yeah i think i know the story that's why i told you he sees and desists pull out pull out soldier Pull out. Pull out, soldier. Oh, man. Good catch. The Blitz are flying by. He barely got out of that fucking...

Get out of there. I never know because I forget sometimes that this is a televised platform and we have to keep some cards for ourselves. This goddamn Buffalo Trace whiskey fucking with your mind. I'm not mad at this Buffalo. I love this stuff. It's pretty good. Do you know this company was founded?

It sounds commercial because I do commercials for them, but it's real. They were founded in the 1700s. What? It's the same company. They even operated through prohibition. They had medical weed licenses, right, for people in California. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

You know they had medical weed licenses for people in California. Thank you, though. I know what you're doing. You can try to get my back. For people in California before it was legal, right? But before alcohol was legal, you could get a medical, medicinal alcohol use license. Right. So if you had a dirty doctor, if you had a dirty doctor during prohibition, like the

man gets shakes. The only thing that can help him is the whiskey. And he can fucking write on some scroll and hand it to you. God, what a racket. But this fucking company did that all through prohibition. So they've been making whiskey for like 300 fucking years. I love that. It's bonkers.

It's a good story. Well done. I was reading about the Prohibition era, same time period. I read that there was like a religious exemption also. I think it was for Judaism if you were a rabbi. I don't know the way you could disperse alcohol, but there were also no limitations into what it took to become a rabbi, you could, I don't know the way you could disperse alcohol, but there

were also no limitations into what it took to become a rabbi. What about Catholicism? Yeah. Blood of Christ. Anybody could become a rabbi though. There were hundreds of rabbis popping up everywhere. Oh, just so you could get a whole whiskey? That's incredible.

That's a good move. Wow. There's a great podcast. I would turn into a rabbi, but that's a lot of work. I don't think they were working. I think they were just... Okay. Can you be an honorary rabbi?

Can you be an honorary doctor? Because to be a rabbi and to go through all of the literature... Would you, is the question. Well, whether you would or not, if you wanted to do it, it's no moral judgment or ethical judgment. It's a fucking immense amount of work. To go from learning Judaism to being a fucking rabbi, that's not an easy path. They make this shit hard.

That's kind of like in the Terrence McKenna book, True Hallucinations, where he is studying. He goes to Tibet. is studying—he goes to Tibet, and he's trying—I'm going to totally butcher this because I literally read it this morning. He's trying to go to this, like—God, this is so bad. Okay, help me out if you remember what I'm talking about, where he's— I haven't read it since 2002. Okay. Or somewhere in that range when I first started really getting into McKenna.

I don't necessarily—I mess that up with Food of the Gods, too, all the time. Okay. Help me out here. So if he's studying Buddhism and he's—but he's really trying to get to this, like, top level— Was that the I Ching when he was interested in the I Ching? No. He's trying to get to—it's almost like a heretic, like cultish area of shamanism that also involves psychedelics. And he had all these preconceived ideas about like what they were doing, but it was sorely frowned upon for him to go study with these people, but he needed to learn the language first.

Does that make sense? I'm just butchering this. We should delete this. What was the point, though? Well, like the point is he was he was posing as a student studying one thing, but he really wanted to get to this other thing that had primarily to do with psychedelics and was frowned upon in that religious community. It's bad. Are you looking at this? No, no, no, no.

He was into that with almost every religious community. And he had a pretty firm belief that all religious experiences initially were the result of psychedelics. Right, right. And he was big on this theory that he had that his brother actually does almost a better job of explaining called the stoned ape theory. Okay. And his theory was that humans became human because of psychedelic mushrooms. Interesting. And that the psychedelic mushrooms are the aliens.

And that psychedelic mushrooms exist in other planets and they came over here on asteroids and slammed into the earth. Because the spores can survive in a vacuum. And so this weird life form that actually breathes air, like us. Yeah. And they exist almost instantaneously. Yeah. They're weird. Like, to deny that mushrooms are weird, like like you definitely haven't done them then because if you don't think that might be alien life like you

haven't done I'm if you haven't done enough I'm not mad at that you and just like a dog scary that might be where the aliens like a dog so cool so the story about people being like created people by aliens that we're talking about earlier maybe the aliens of the mushrooms and that's what McKenna believes McKenna had this theory that, and he had a bunch of fucking science behind it. And the way I say fucking science should show you

I have no idea what I'm really talking about. It's a great theory about the reason why humans went from lower hominids to human beings was because we ate mushrooms. Enlightenment. The reason why the human brain doubled over a period of two million years was the regular consumption of psilocybin mushrooms

because it existed all around us. And then we ate them all the time. And then eating them all the time literally caused some sort of fucking neural enhancement of the animal. It's a super controversial theory. But when you listen to his brother Dennis talk about it, Dennis is, you know, he's alive and well and a super brilliant guy and he explained it to me in semi-scientific

terms i say semi because i don't know what the fuck he really meant but the way he explained the development of language and then that the reasons why psilocybin could actually have enhanced the development of language yeah it could make. I mean, the core of their mission when they went into the Amazon in the 70s with no cell phones, no sat phones, with, I mean, there could have been two dozen things that could have killed them on their way to this village is like profound in and of itself. Yeah. And the dedication to their study is blowing my mind.

And it makes me feel like I haven't lived at all. But when you hear that, did you ever hear the La Trujera story where Dennis McKenna talks about eating so many mushrooms that he literally like lost all knowledge of who he was and what life was for like weeks whoa i don't know i didn't get to that part in the book yet crazy breakthrough slash breakdown slash expansion contraction yeah supernova inside of his brain that left like fucking reeling for a long period of time i don't want to say how long it was but terence described it and he described it like he just went bonkers yeah he ate so many mushrooms

like he crossed over to the other side and then he came back i mean i've never done like i've never done the like hero's dose you know that like i well that's not true but i i think that like there's this part of me that's like you know that a I think he did a God's dose. I don't think he did a hero's dose. I think it was Thor. The Thor shits on heroes. Oh, my God. He did the Thor's dose of mushrooms. That's, oh, my God.

Yeah, because if he was by himself, would he have remembered to eat? Would he have remembered to go to the bathroom? Would he have remembered to take showers? Did he have people with him? Who knows? I'd have to review the story. But he's remembered to take showers people with him who knows i i'd have to review the story but uh he's so fucking smart it's confusing he's one of those dudes you talk to him you're like how do you remember all this stuff like what do you you talk to me about the actual origins for

speech and like why it could have been connected to psilocybin and the impact that psilocybin has on the brain and then it's this weird thing it's it's like that's a comforting thought though the man has done so many drugs that yes he's great he's still like on top of his intellect you know easy to talk to that's really cool he's a super super super nice guy too but it's almost like there's a key slot in our brain for mushrooms it's like oh here you go clunk yeah it just fits right in it just locks right in place and it might be the reason why we are who we are and somewhere along the line we forgot you know i've definitely uh okay if this isn't okay to say on the air we can take it it's totally but i've microdosed you know after

tours i know i don't know why i just decided to choose that this was the time to not talk about mushrooms but like when i was sad after tours like i don't know gary if you if you get like this but i'd have this like come down of like depression for a couple weeks after the road and like there's that initial excitement to be home but then your body isn't used to the non-momentum or you're like you know like the stopped, but you kind of keep going another, you know, a hundred yards or 500 yards or whatever. And I, I would get really sad and I'd come home and sort of feel like I didn't know how to come back to my reality. And it's lonely. It's kind of, you know, whatever, but I would microdose a little bit and it would just kind of get me out of my depression. The tiniest bit, I wouldn't even trip. I would just take a little bit and it would just kind of get me out of my depression the tiniest bit i

wouldn't even trip i would just take a little bit of you know and i i think there's obviously like this is nothing new but dozens of people are doing that now but it is something that i like um i think is is really um profound and helpful has been in my life yeah a lot of people agree with you it's so funny that I thought, after all we've been talking about, this is the moment where I'm going to get a phone call from the feds. I think I'm drunk.

Well, we definitely had a little bit to drink. I'm happy with it. You know, that's on the ballot to decriminalize mushrooms. Right, I know. I don't know much about it. You're trying to push it through, and thanks to people like MAPS, that organization run by Rick Doblin that's doing all this crazy work to try to show the benefits of psychedelics, particularly with MDMA and soldiers who have PTSD.

MDMA and soldiers? Yes. MDMA and people, victims of violence, victims of auto accidents is a really common one for PTSD. A lot of people get in auto accidents and have that. Yeah. And they're doing this work with PTSD and MDMA. And they're trying to show, like, this is a legitimate therapy that's probably, like, highly effective. We should look at it like that instead of looking at it like some illegal drug that's only terrible.

Right. That, instead of looking at it like some illegal drug that's only terrible. Right. Well, you've got pharmaceutical companies that are going to want their take on it. That's the problem is that they have influence. The problem is not that they exist because they make a bunch of amazing shit. Pharmaceutical drug companies make amazing shit. And it keeps a lot of people alive.

It keeps a lot of people healthy. But they also are invested in making tremendous amounts of money. Yeah, they're like cell phones. If they find a threat to that money, then they move in politically and they try to stop that threat. And they'll hold back certain drugs from being turned legal that are really beneficial that might cut into their profit margin. Well, I briefly told you about Saraset, the sleep therapy I did. Yeah. Tell me more. Oh my God. So I have had insomnia for over a decade. Like most months, I could look back and tell you what days on, I could count on one hand that I slept like eight hours. So I would fall asleep and then wake up three hours later and just kind of deal

with the night and in and out. And it was a it is and was a really tough way to live. You know, you kind of just it sort of rules your world. A really good friend of mine, my friend Jake, I met with him in December and he said, I really think you should try this program. It's called Saraset. And what it is is he helped me obtain a mobile device for my house. But they have facilities all over the country. And what it is is these sensors are – you wear this headband, and it has sensors on your frontal and temporal lobes. These sensors are, you wear this headband and it has sensors on your frontal and temporal lobes.

And it comes with a tablet that is basically bouncing sound waves off of your skull. So you listen to these series of tones that are like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. There's no order to it. And it is sort of measuring the brainwave activity inside your skull and then evening it out right or left brain. It sounds so crazy. Dude. It sounds so crazy. All I can tell you is that I dedicated myself to it for five weeks. You don't have any alcohol.

You don't have any marijuana. Not even CBD. What? Yeah, you feel me? Can you do it? I know you can. You do your So you feel me not yeah can you do it i know you can you do your sober october yes so i can do it i i was the first two weeks were horrible the first two weeks were like it got worse before it got better but i i can tell you right now for the first time

in over a decade i'm sleeping through the night whoa like like i never was i mean obviously if i'm like partying with my friends i'm not going to sleep through the night but Whoa. Like, like I never was. I mean, obviously if I'm like partying with my friends, I'm not going to sleep through the night, but I have like, it's so different. My life is like, and I, I have a different, um,

like my anxiety is kind of chilled out. Cause of sleep. That makes sense. Yeah. But also recovering better. So something I learned through Saraset was that they, like I talked to this woman in Indianapolis that was helping me with the program. And she was like, have you had any significant head injuries?

Which I have. I had a jet ski accident when I was 22 and I got fucked up. I got concussed and I had two points of impact. It was really bad. And she said you would be surprised at how that can have an effect on, on your like flight mode. Like I've been in like run from a tiger mode kind of thing. And, you know, basically the, the program is tailored to people with PTSD, head injuries

or just high stress levels. And yeah, man, it's been great. That's amazing. I'm so, and I'm really grateful that i had a friend who was looking out for me to help me with it because i mean i was just kind of getting used to not sleeping you know there's a regularly a woman who used to fight for the ufc her name is kat zingano she's a badass chick from uh san diego and she had a fight with amanda nunez who's the ufc um current bantamweight champion okay and And this was before she was a champion.

And Kat actually wound up winning the fight, but she got battered in the first round, like really bad. And her brain was fucked up for a long time after that. She had significant imbalances in her hormone levels, and it was like legitimate brain damage. Oh, my God. She had issues to the way her brain got rocked so hard in the first round. And she actually came back and stopped Amanda Nunes, which is crazy, considering how much damage she had taken in that first round. But she went to this place in San Diego that treats soldiers.

And I can't remember the name of the place. Do you remember the name of that place, Jamie? And they used something similar where there was magnets, like very, very powerful magnets. And through some way it stimulates the areas of the brain it's been damaged and it regenerates the tissue yeah or regenerates the you know the the use of that part of the brain i don't understand i don't understand it either but like you know sound is vibration so it's it's doing something i mean all i can say is that like i feel a dramatic difference

that's amazing that's's so nice to hear. It's crazy, yeah. How does someone, and this is not an ad. It's not. I'm not getting paid for this. How does someone find out about this? What's the website? You could just probably Google.

Sarah said it's C-E-R-E-S-E-T. And they have facilities that are kind of popping up all over the place. There's another company. I'm not sure what they're called. Is this a place you went to? Is this something you brought to your house? No, this is a really good friend of mine who was just looking out for me

and knew how bad my insomnia was. And he had a similar version of insomnia. And everybody's different. You know, everybody's got their... Like, some people can stay awake all night. For real. How long before our robot overlords take control of our brains

and relieve us from all the pain and suffering that it is to be human? I know. You're wearing headgear. I was worried I was going to turn into a cyborg. I know. Dude, how long? Now I am bionic. The more I think about aliens, the more I think they're us in the future.

That's one of the theories that has always been bounced around. Because if you look at what a human looks like versus what a gorilla looks like, if you keep going with that, it'll be some weird skinny thing that doesn't need any muscles and has a big giant head that controls space and time around it. That's probably what we're turning into.

And we're going to do it through electronics. We're going to introduce something into our brain, whether it's that Elon Musk thing they're trying to do where they're drilling holes and putting wires in your brain. Neuralink. You're trying to do where they're drilling holes and putting wires in your brain. Neuralink. You're going to have super fucking accelerated

ability to access information. It'll be always at the tip of your fingers. I'm guessing. Eventually. How long before we're robots? We already are. It's already like... I don't know. It's just going to give you love 24-7 through an IV drip, and you're going to take it over real life.

I mean, you don't think this is a simulation right now? It might be. It might be. It might be. Or it might not be, and that's the problem. The problem is it's so weird, it might as well be a simulation. It's so bonkers, it might as well be a simulation. It is.

It's weird. We're watching some political Game of Thrones type shit. Oh, my God. On television. That's a scary way to put it. It's fascinating. It is. It's fascinating.

Yeah. Now what do we do? What do we do now? It's so weird. It's so weird. I, yeah, every once in a while I wake up and I'm like, I think I just woke up in a different dimension. Like, I know that sounds crazy. It doesn't sound crazy, though.

Some of this stuff is so overwhelming, the way we're changing so quickly. Yeah. And the information that's coming at us that I don't know if I'm shutting down or if I'm just like going to another place. We are currently alive and conscious on a raft headed to a waterfall. Cool. That's what's going on. We're waking up as this is happening going, holy shit. Great.

What the fuck is that? What's changing so quickly? Yeah. We're going 25 miles an hour straight towards a goddamn waterfall. It's definitely going to kill us. You know what, though? I don't. Gary, how are you doing?

Gary's empty. We need to get Gary a refill. Let's get a refill. I could probably choose to pee. Does anyone have to pee? Yeah, you can go pee. Can I? Yeah, let's go pee.

Thank God. Gary and I will see nice things about you. Oh, God, I hope so. Yeah, we're only about positivity these days. After this conversation, we're going to try to figure out some sort of national mantra. Keep it positive, people. We should probably play another song before some of us get too drunk. You?

You're fine. He wants to go mezcal. You're fine. Do I? No, I don't know if I want to. Mezcal. I don't know if I want to. Mezcal's dangerous.

Do you want to open up this stuff? This is the stuff that Suzanne brought. Four roses, small batch. Yeah, I'm up for that. Okay. If you're up for that. Please hand me your glass, kind sir. Oh.

Thank you, kind sir. Jamie, we need to get some sort of glasses made out of animal horns up in this bitch. Makes it not a glass, though. Whatever, bro. Sounds gotta be technical. I was thinking, like, glasses, like, uh... Jamie's all fucking technical

and shit. You guys cool if I doodle a little bit? Dude, please do. Please do. I got this thing just sitting here. Please do. I owe you that guitar, I told you. But they only made them in yellow. Dude, I don't care what color any guitar you want to bring here is. It could be bright pink. I'll put that motherfucker on the wall right next to Richard Pryor.

Oh, yeah? Right there. Pow! Bam! Woo! That'd be nice. Let's make it happen. I got one for you.

Did I ever tell you the story about my friend Phil Hartman? When he was a kid, he was a roadie for Jimi Hendrix for one night. He was like, whatever you would call it, a grip, someone who's

on the staff. Stage tech. Stage hand. He was a teenager. Hendrix is at the whiskey. He's there putting his hands on the speakers, making sure they don't fall over

because they were kind of perilously close to the edge. Hendrix was just fucking going off. He was just going off right in front of them. Right in front of them. Right in front of them. And he said, dude, he goes, he was feet away from me. I could have touched him. He was right.

Hendrix. Phil Hartman told me with great, me and Phil Hartman got high a couple times when we did news radio together. It was one of the only couple of times that I got high during that era. It wasn't much. He got high. He got high a lot. As a matter of fact, I might not have even gotten high. I definitely got drunk.

Anyway, he was telling me about when he was a teenager that he worked with Jimi Hendrix. He was a stage tech at the Whiskey. Wait, so how old was Phil then? When I met him, I want to say he was 46 when I met him coming off of Saturday Night Live. So like 90s? 94 is when I met him. Okay. And I want to say he was like late 40s.

So when he was a teenager. Jimi died in late 70s, right? He died in 1970, I think, right? Oh, early. 70, yeah. Okay. Straight up. Damn.

How old was Phil? So when I met Phil, it was 94. That was 24 years later. Does that make sense? If he was like 19 at the time or something like that. Wow. So anyway, he's a kid. And Hendrix is right in front of him. And his job is to make sure that the speaker doesn't fall into the crowd. something like that. Wow. So anyway, he's a kid, and Hendrix is right in front of him,

and his job is to make sure that the speaker doesn't fall into the crowd. So he's standing there, and he's looking up at the stage. He's standing in front of the stage, and fucking Jimi Hendrix is right in front of him in this prime. You know, when everything is going down, you couldn't believe he was real. You couldn't believe he was standing right in front of you. Like, a Hendrix didn't exist before. There was no pre-Hendrix.

There was just Hendrix, and everything else is like, of you like a hendrix didn't exist before there was no there's no pre-hendrix there's just hendrix and everything else is like what like you read about eric clapton like eric clapton's quotes about seeing hendrix play for the very first time it's fascinating yeah because you realize like with his top of the food chain guitarists go to see hendrix and they go what the fuck are we doing what are we doing what is he doing what the fuck is happening here and then phil said it was happening right in front of him phil you know would dabble in music for fun he really enjoyed like playing guitar and fucking around so for him to be a kid and to be standing right in front of hendrix performing was like whoa did he did he know at the time did he say

he knew at the time that that was like? Well, he was a fan at the time. Oh, okay. But, God, I mean, this is like, I guess it has to be like 69 or 70, whenever that day was. What was Jimmy's reign before he was playing clubs and then playing to the magnitude that he did? That's a good question.

That's a good question. I'm not sure exactly. I know he just made records for a handful of years. Before like really getting out there and playing live? I think playing live

and stuff, it was like he was doing like the Chitlin' Circuit playing with the Isley Brothers and playing with people like Little Richard and being like the backup guitar.

Right on. Okay. They didn't like him doing all that fancy playing with his teeth and behind his head bullshit, so they fired him. Quit drawing attention and behind his head. That's so funny. Bullshit. So they fired him.

Quit drawing attention to yourself. Wow. That's amazing. Nah, don't be great on my stage, bro. Yeah. Fuck. I'm going somewhere else with that. There's some sound.

One of my favorite influences of Jimi Hendrix is Steve Ray Vaughan. One of my absolute favorites. Because he managed to mimic Jim hendrix in a tribute way but also make it kind of his own like he did some that was clearly he had a sound steve ray vaughn had a sound yeah yeah but he was a clear jimi hendrix fan yeah like a super fan like there was a giant influence of him you could tell yeah but yet he was different like it wasn't offensive like when he did voodoo Child Stevie Ray Vaughan's Voodoo Child

is fucking slamming have you ever heard it? I mean woo yeah I mean not enough it's fucking amazing Stevie Ray Vaughan's

Voodoo Child is amazing it's not better but it's fucking amazing that's great it's a Stevie Ray Vaughan almost like a tip of the hat kind of thing

yeah it's a tribute in a way cool it's got a but it's got fucking force behind it. Woo, it's good. It's good. It's another great workout song.

Yeah. Right after kickstart your heart. I think you're starting a whole playlist for everybody right now. Blue Child with Stevie Ray. Yeah. Man. Oh, did someone mix it together? There's a video on YouTube with both of them back to back.

Oh, wow. That's too much. I can't take it or I really might mix them together I think I don't know damn wow well that's another guy that like there wasn't a Steve Ray Vaughn before Steve Ray Vaughn he's a unique human yeah like he had a very very unique sound yeah those and shirt. Let's be honest. He's just all around dope. I would wear that. I've seen this video multiple times for over 20-something years. I never noticed the cactus.

Gary, come on. You're a very fashionable man. Is he from Austin? Where's he from? Oak Cliff, Dallas, Texas. Dallas. Dallas, Texas, boys, man. Goddamn, a lot of good shit comes out of Texas. Sure does.

Yeah. Exhibit A. Freedom. Freedom. Chaos. It's a great spot. It's all there. Well, they took a good chunk of the fucking country and claimed it as shit.

Yeah. There's not a lot going on. I have a love-hate relationship with Texas. I don't want to say hate. Oh, my God. How dare you? Hold on. Shut up. It's so hot. It gets too hot But it's, you know. Hold on. Shut up.

It's so hot. Let's talk about this hate. It gets too hot. Let's talk about this hate real quick. Too hot. It's too hot, Gary. But that's why it's not overwhelmed with people. Can we talk about that?

I'm not going to get political. I'm not going to. I'm just like as a texture. That's too hot. It's too hot. As a texture. That too hot is a security system to keep too many people from moving in. For fuck's sake.

I mean, you can't even go outside That's why it's so good It's true It's perfect If you could take that sauna heat Yeah Just condition yourself Sure

Get a sauna in your house Okay And get used to living in Dallas Now it's romantic It's great I love it It's great I love it there

I love doing stand up there You're their main spot That's your main hub Yeah Texas That's the main home Austin, Texas is one's the main home. Austin, Texas is one of the best places on the planet Earth. And everybody knows it now, unfortunately.

You get on the highway, you're like, oh, the word got out. Well, yeah, the traffic's no fun there. It's pretty gross. Some people say, like, Houston fucked Austin. No, you mean Houston fucked Dallas? Yeah, Houston fucked Dallas and made Austin. That's what I should say. That's what they say? Yeah, I've heard that before.

Austin is a weird spot, right? It's like Austin is somehow or another. It's not as watered down as the last one. But it's in between. There's the desert out west, and there's New Orleans and Louisiana. But Austin is particularly artistic in some weird way. Not entirely, but there's a giant chunk of artists out of Austin. Like, fierce artists.

It's weird. There's a lot of, in Austin, there's a lot of focus on independence. And a lot of, like, rewarding independent artists and independent musicians and appreciating, like, real shit. Right? But Austin, that's one of the things about Austin. and independent musicians and appreciating real shit. That's one of the things about Austin. It's like if 100% more than I think any other city in the country favors real shit. It favors authentic food, authentic music. It's a different kind of town.

Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah, it's a different kind of town. They're not buying the normal bullshit there in bulk. It's a different spot, you know, and I hate to say it because they'll get swarmed. Yeah, how do you feel about, like, what's happened to it since, like, people, like, found out about it?

How do I feel about it? Yeah. I live a few miles away. Yeah, that's good. That's good. So you're not in the belly of the beast. No. You know what? But I love it.

I grew up there. I was a teenager there running those streets. And I ran into the same faces every day for 15 years just trying to see somebody else. Yeah. You know what I mean? And for those young musicians out there who have to deal with the bucket and playing out there for tips

and have these people from all over the place come in. Right. you know it almost feels kind of global did you do that did you play with a bucket in front of you yeah you did you were a busker that's so cool and is that what it's called that's the official term like in clubs like you know like in bars whatever you hang out and you play for four hours. What? Sometimes you play. That's so cool. A bunch. And then you'd make $6. Yeah.

Between four people. Damn. God damn. You know what I mean? But yeah. What year are we talking when this was happening? Ninety. Ninety eight through.

Two thousand ten. That's amazing. Really? When did things happen for you really when did things happen for you when did things like legitimately happen

2010 2010 yeah I got a call up from Eric Clapton said come play my festival and it kind of

changed my whole life holy shit yeah man so yeah man burning candles you know what I mean

Eric Clapton so yeah it was a but so I don't mind the folks coming through you know what I mean? Eric Clapton. So yeah, it was a, but, so I don't mind the, the folks coming through, you know what I mean? Yeah,

right on. I feel like if you're intimidated, somebody's going to come take your spot and step your fucking game up or something, you know what I mean? That's how I kind of feel. But it's, it's happening everywhere,

you know, right? It's like the people coming in and finding out about a new you share you're really good at at your like i don't know you're a generous man what do you mean like i feel like you have this ability to like when you were talking about you know tuning into the radio like you're a good listener that's that's what that means you know as a musician well i was a middle child, so it's never been about me. It's perfect.

Damn, that's good. Yeah, that's perfect. That's so good. Middle childs have a chip. No, but I mean, that's a really positive way to look at rapid change, like a city like Austin that you could say it's being inundated with just this huge volume of people coming in, and it makes your life whatever, but instead you're like, no, come on in.

That's a good attitude. I salute that. But it's different. I'm a little bit more comfortable now. I'm able to stay out of the madness. That's a great attitude for all aspects of life. Yeah. The idea that someone's going to take your spot, they're not going to take your spot.

It's not what's happening. Right, right, right. Well, you know what I mean. Yeah. It's like – Yeah, I know exactly. I think we're conditioned to feel that way, though, that someone's going to take your spot. And that's a fucked up way to live.

Yeah, it's a weird thing. You're just scared. I think for a long time people, you know, really dealt with scarcity. Yeah. You know, you look back at people that lived in like the 1920s and 30s. They weighed like 110 pounds. Like all the men, the little tiny men. Everybody was barely eating.

They didn't work out. They were barely eating. They worked. People were hoping they didn't starve to death. Through the 20s, like the roaring 20s, and then the Depression. I mean, people starved to death. It was like a regular occurrence. And there's parts of the world that that's happening right now.

Yeah. We are, we're a weird animal. Yeah. We really are. Yeah. And what we are today is just so much different than what we used to be. Like at lightning speed. Isn't it funny to think about like the gym and all of the intricacies?

You heard me. Politics. Can't even talk but but no no no like to like our physicality and how we tailor our bodies and workouts and then just what you said like 1910 and people are weighing 110 pounds and like you know they're just eating trying to get enough money to eat and then like we have these lifestyles of like to a science our exercise and our diets and it's fucking fascinating yeah we're just trying but also people around the world are are still living like that we're trying to not eat too much yeah that's what we're trying to do they're trying to

stay alive we're trying to not eat too much oh my god it's so hard crazy no i mean like let's take a minute it's so funny but you know how hard it is to not eat how is it hard to not do a thing that doesn't even make it's hard to do things yeah it might be hard mentally to not do a thing yeah that mental struggle is real as fuck though right yeah i think i think there's like a weird line of being conscious of that and then feeling worthy of your own lifestyle and your own life. That's where your weird robot overlord's helmet thing comes in place. Yeah. It helps me to reach. Because that shit keeps me up at night.

It recharges your brain. It does. It fixes you, straightens you up. Calm the fuck down, Suze. Calm the fuck down. Become one with the vibration, Suzanne. I think I am. There's no reason to be a rebel.

I don't know about that. Stay with us. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. I'm ready to change some shit. The narrative. I don't know. I don't like it.

What narrative do you not like? You know, music industry stuff. I think I've been working really hard to go against the grain of like right now I'm self released like I don't have a record company and I'm self funded and it's really hard but it's also really gratifying at the same time because

you know right now I since I left Honey Honey like Honey Honey's kind of on ice for you know sort of Honey Honey's kind of on ice for, you know, sort of. Yeah, you didn't nuke the territory. No. You just moved out of the building.

Yeah, well, we're figuring it out, you know. Well said. Well said. Oh, my God. but you know, the, the battle is, um, getting ahead,

you know, and, and being a woman and, and being in my thirties and, and not like, you know, no one wants to hop on board until they know it's working. Even though I made this incredible record and it's so well received.

And then folks are like, yeah, well, you know, call us when it's, when it's working rather than like get in now right and you know i feel i don't feel discouraged by that i feel informed um but that that's a also a business move you know because it is we're taking art and turning it into commerce and no one wants to bet on a horse that's not winning yet, you know? Um, and you know, I'm pretty,

I feel pretty good about what I'm doing. I don't think I should be doing something else, but it's still a struggle, you know? So when I said, I want to change the narrative, it's, it's sort of like, I want to kind of prove to myself and others that like, you can do it, like you find a way, you know? And it's, it's really hard, uh, but you can do it like you find a way you know and it's it's really hard uh but you can do it you know and you get help from your friends like this is so cool to be here with you guys like i i don't know if i could really convey that enough that this is a huge help to what i'm trying to do right now um but yeah also this is the thing that like keeps me up at night of being like oh my god this is but at the same time you know um the the music industry i'll just speak to that right now it's tough well it seems to me if i as an outsider who has no business in the music business

when i look at it i feel like it's a big ship that had to cut parts of itself off. And now it's a smaller ship. And now it's like, whoa. It's still a pretty big ship, but it's not what it used to be. The money doesn't come in anymore in the form of record sales. So it's entrenched its tentacles deeper into the industry and other things like merchandise and live shows and all these different things to stay alive. And maybe it helps. And maybe it doesn doesn't it depends entirely upon the artist but i what you're doing at your point in your life where you're like look this isn't fucking working like what what do i need

to do like being attached to this group's not doing it being attached that group's not doing it what what the fuck's doing it let me just try to not be attached to someone yeah and through the internet you have the option to put your stuff out there. Yeah. And it gets a reaction from people. Yeah. Stuff like this. Yeah.

And then they go, oh shit, this bitch is talented. Well, you know, and I'm, thanks, first of all,

that's sweet. You know I love you. I love you too. I, it's not like I want to like, take over the world. I just want to like, make a good living doing what I love. That's all I want. You know, and it's, it's fucking hard. I know it's not like i want to like take over the world i just want to like make a good living doing

what i love that's all i want you know and it's it's fucking hard i know it's hard but it's also um yeah like it in a you know i want to capture that thing i want to get into the right tune into the right radio station and also not have to worry so much about not having enough to get by, that kind of thing. And it sounds silly, but it's not. That is my reality. What is the major function of a record label? Not hating, just wondering.

What's the major function of a record label when you're not really necessarily selling records? Not trying to blow up anybody's business. Well, you want to weigh in on this I can give a little bit yeah they're for marketing promotion marketing they're the folks who help you with budgets for tour they're a bank so when it's just like it's for tour is that because you have to lay out money in advance to set up a set and to make sure that everybody gets to the place they have the money to get to the event and set everything up and then then they would reap some of the reward so it's almost

like an initial investment and then based on return from ticket sales right so yeah so like you know it's it's expensive to be out on tour right yeah it's it's a lot to be out you're paying for the anything and everything right you're paying to play basically right and so what they do is they come in and they'll help you with with things like that and and and um but sometimes it doesn't work for for people you know and that's that's the thing is like people coming to this thing going oh i made it i I've got this deal. But if your record doesn't hit or whatever doesn't hit, then they've invested all this money.

So it puts this extra pressure on you to figure out what you need to do to make it. And I think some people go down a different route and would switch up their thing. But they can be very helpful. It depends on your attitude, too. A lot of it is your attitude and what you think of, like, are you being taken advantage of or is this an investment or is this going to pay off? Because it goes so up and down, you know, depending on.

I would imagine it would be hard to be free and creative and having a good time with it if you feel like you're being taken advantage of. It would put a dark cloud over it. Well, there's that, and I think there's also the misconception that once you get a big record deal, and I've had a few, where you think all of a sudden you have to stop doing something, and they're going to do it for you. That is the biggest mistake you could ever make. And if anything, you have to work harder and prove to them that like you're kind of worthy of their time and money. You know, sometimes it depends.

It depends on the company. But, you know, essentially, like when you sign a deal with with these folks, like they have a lot of your creative integrity in some ways ways depending on the deal and how it's shaped um and you know they own your copyright if they want to own your record depending on your deal sometimes you have more leverage than others and you know if that's the case like fuck yeah good for you but that's so weird that they own the whole thing that they could ever own the whole thing well i sell i sell for these sell it for an exorbitant amount of money. The idea that you would own the whole song,

like they would own the writing, the music, they would own the recording. No, not that. Copyright and publishing are different things. Okay, so you could still

have someone else do that song? So, okay. So I self-released my last record, Ruby Red, and I learned a lot because I hired my own PR

and distribution companies and i really got into the nuts and bolts on how all this shit works and um i'm not sure if this has changed because sometimes this is you know going back and forth but when you own your copyright the digital return on things like spotify and itunes are 10 to 1. So when the record companies own your copyright and all of your streaming is just fucking taking off, they're making tons of money on your streaming. So they're making 10 times more than you are. Yes.

Jesus Christ. Yes. I know. Crazy. Demons. Wow. Major labor is now earning over over One million per hour From streaming That's fucking insane

Holy shit So they figured it out They figured out How to get deeper Into the arteries Like real close to the heart But the The hustle is like

Trying to get But they also They also have the keys To a lot of doors You know It's like a weird trade off They do But I have a feeling

If you just look At the landscape That that is less And less of an issue almost every year. I don't know. I don't know. As long as you don't create feuds, I don't think they necessarily have the keys to arenas. I think if you go through major agencies, that's solved. And I think distribution over the Internet just through people finding out about it and sharing it and tossing it around is probably as useful, if not better than anything.

Because I'll find out about it, podcasts find out about it, people on Twitter find out about it, they retweet shit, people Instagram repost stuff, and then it hits millions and millions and millions and millions of people, 100% organic. And it happens all the time, but shit is good. I mean, it's almost like you're bankrolling on it not being a good idea if you do it with somebody else. It's like what you're doing is like bankrolling on yourself. You're saying, like, I believe in myself. Let's just put this out.

Whereas if you do it with a label, you have to – so many people have to be – and there's nothing wrong with it. I'm sure it's worked out great for both of and on numerous occasions but someone has to believe in you you have to work with someone there's a lot involved well and i'm sure like well first of all there are some great companies i don't know what like you know what come what label you work with but yeah we're good yeah yeah yeah see like some of them and obviously because you're you're fucking amazing and you're crushing it. And, you know, like some companies, that's not the case. And, you know, people's jobs depend on your success.

And if they're scared and they go in in this way that it's not like it doesn't hit or something, like they drop you fast. And, you know, I'll speak. Oh, yeah. Maybe not. it doesn't hit or something. They drop you fast. And, you know, I'll speak. Oh, yeah. Maybe not. Hold it together, Suzanne. That's twice. Hold it together.

Well, you remember when Prince had to change his name to a fucking symbol? Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. That is the perfect example. That's the perfect example. Yes. Imagine, you are trying to keep Prince. That's just business. One of the G-O-A- That's the perfect example. Yes. Imagine, you are trying to keep Prince. That's just business. One of the G-O-A-T's of all time.

Come on. Right? Come on. I mean, of all time, goats. He was androgynous before anybody knew what the fuck it was. He was dancing around with high heels. No one could say shit because it was so good. Think about all the homophobia.

We were talking about transphobia, homophobia. Think about all the shit he we're talking about transphobia homophobia think about all the shit he must have endured in like 1988 or whatever the fuck it is when he put out that first album and it didn't matter and everybody it was so good everybody just had to step the fuck back like purple rain it was the way he was dressed was ridiculous imagine if ryan reynolds was in a movie about a singer who dressed like Prince did. I can imagine. He's so good he gave himself a handicap. He said, I'm going to dress like a goddamn king.

And you ain't going to say shit because my fucking music is so good. He would drive up in a motorcycle with no helmet. Shut the fuck up, bitch. I'm doing whatever I want. I'm Prince. Exactly. He was on another planet. Look, come on. That guy was on another planet. And, come on. That guy was on,

he was on another planet and rarely, rarely people like this exist. Did you ever get to meet him, Gary? Nah, I fucked up one time. No. I came back from tour and I got invited.

He's like, he wanted me to come out the next day and I was jet lagged and dealing with family stuff and I was like, I can't make it tomorrow, but damn. So, my bad. But such a big fan. I think he's, jet-lagged and dealing with family stuff and I was like I can't make it tomorrow but

So my bad But such a big fan. I think he's yeah, I think I mean I thought it was once I had a chance to see him at the Hard Rock in Vegas Yeah, like when he was just starting to do music again a tour again. Yeah, and it was real late It's like after midnight. I was tired. I do some do some shit in the morning. I was like, I want to work out. Fuck this. It's too late. The fucking workout. Such a meathead. You guys. Dummy. Gary, come on. Such a dummy. I think we should all

work out tomorrow. Actually, let's work out tonight. Let's drink a little more whiskey. We'll hit the gym outside. I've done that before. Jamie, you in? Ari, Bert, and I got into a fucking bench press competition drunk as fuck after a podcast. Oh my God, you did not. It was crazy, yeah.

I was worried I hurt something. Didn't I hurt something in my leg? Like a pop of muscle in my leg or something? Your meniscus? No, no, it was like my hammy. Like somewhere in my lower hammy. When you get drunk, it's the bane of all existence, but it's the source of so much pleasure. How dare you?

It is. It's both. I'm having a great time. It's the rocky seas. That's what whiskey and all booze in general, it's the rocky seas. It's like you have great moments, but you also have times when you're going to puke off the side. Oh, yeah. It's the rocky seas.

Okay, when was the last time you guys went to pukey town from drinking too much? From drinking, it's been a long time. But I puked from stomach virus just four days ago. What? Yeah. Oh, my God. In between shows at the improv. Jesus.

How about this? My whole family had it. Oh, no. One of my daughters. My wife had it first. Then one of my daughters had it. And then I'm like, I don't get that shit, bitch. And you sure did.

Of course, right? Oh, my God. And then I'm in the bathroom at't get that shit, bitch. And you sure did. Of course. Oh, my God. And then I'm in the bathroom at the improv. I'm like, I do not feel good. And I'm like, I think I might puke. I had to go up in 15 minutes. Oh, no. I'm like, why don't I just make myself puke?

And I'm like, all right, let's make myself puke. So I shoved three fingers down my throat. Oh, that's disgusting. Like way down my throat. And I didn't puke. I'm like, God damn it. And then all of a sudden, my body was like oh you want a party I lifted up the bowl just in time for the most violent stream like cartoonish just

I mean fucking cartoonish like down to the core of my lower spinal column. Like, whoa! Like I was worried I was going to pull muscles. I'm crying a little bit. I puked and then I stepped up and I washed my hands and I went right back in. I puked again. So I got two off in between. I did a show like that once. And then I did a show and then I drove home.

And on the way home, I was like, keep it together, bitch. Keep it together. Because on the way home, I was like, keep it together, bitch. Keep it together. It was touch and go. I was going to say, what car were you driving? The Tesla. I was going nice and slow, though. Tesla's nice. It's a comfortable ride.

It's a very advanced ride. So it would keep you away from those horrible bumps that might disturb you. And I barely got inside my house and just. I mean, violent. Like the most violent throw up I think I've ever had in my life. It was spectacular. Have you ever had a show like that? Have you ever had a show like that?

Yeah, I've had a show like that. I did two shows. I did the second show that night that way too. But I made it through the second show with no problem. That's the worst. Me and my friend, we were in Austin playing. Antones? Yeah, Antones. uh we just got back from tour it was like a holiday show and everyone's there and we went got some pizza from this jake oh no so me me and my tour manager at the time we sit on the bus

and we look at each other like at At the same time, no words. No words. We both like hopped up. We're like. Oh, no. We just hit. We're like side by side. Five minutes.

Hey, guys, you guys ready to go? Oh. You guys ready to go? No, man, I'm not ready. So I get up on stage. I know I'm just dragging breath in people in the front row. Oh, no. Did you tell them? No. No, I didn just dragging breath and people in the front row. Oh, no. Did you tell them?

Nah. Nah, I didn't. But it was pretty obvious. Yeah. That I was, why am I that sweaty and haven't hit a note yet? Oh, my God. I'm fucked up. But we also had a thing over in Europe.

A couple of friends of mine, these guys in my band, had some oysters. Oh, no. So we had to fly the next, you know, like in Europe when you're traveling. My whole family got it off the oysters once. Oh, God. My wife and one of my kids got it off. Oh, man. Oysters, occasionally, like food poisoning is rough because did you know that when you get food poisoning on a boat, they try to quarantine you?

No. I didn't know that either. Yeah, food poisoning apparently can spread from person to person. Never knew that until this year. No, I didn't know that either. Yeah food poisoning apparently can spread from person to person Never knew that until this year weird No, I didn't know that either someone someone got food poisoning on a boat and they couldn't leave the book find out if that's true Because we were trying to figure out because the oyster thing's tough how it spreads but then my wife was like I think that shit

is actually contagious like if you're on a boat because it's a bacteria essentially right exactly you can get it on your hands you can get it on other things people can touch those things

right right yeah that's terrifying and they want to make people are dirty bitches they don't want people coughing on their hands and touching things

then everybody gets food poisoning it literally can't happen that way my last Honey Honey show People are dirty bitches. They don't want people coughing on their hands and touching things and everybody gets food poisoning. It literally can't happen that way. My last Honey Honey show, it was Puke City. I don't know what it was. It started in the middle of the night before the show. And, you know, it was a pretty big playing gig for us that we couldn't turn down.

And they had a bucket for me backstage in case I needed a ditch. Does it affect your vocals? Yeah, it affected everything. It was, well, first of all. I would imagine it would affect the noises. I'll be honest. You know what happened? Ben graciously let the crowd know, hey, Suzy's not feeling so well, everybody.

Just want you to know we're going to give you the best show we can. But give her some love. i could feel it i could feel their support and i got whether it was adrenaline or what and i i basically played in my pajamas like i didn't do anything to my face i didn't wear and i i was wearing like i just went out there and i was like like i was dead i was lying on the couch. And they're like, we got to go. And I'm like, OK. And it was a really intense show, but also in a kind of beautiful way. It was our last scheduled show together. And Ben and I were crying and stuff.

And we had this whole thing. But the crowd really held me up. They really did. I didn't puke during the show, ironically. But I was sick for like days after that. And then I flew to Dublin the next day to join the Hosier band. So it was like a weird mind fuck. I don't know.

A part of me wonders if it was some weird mental thing. Because no one else got sick. But I mean, I was really sick. I doubt it was a mental thing. I'd like to doubt that. I bet it was a mental thing but i'd like to doubt that i bet it was a mental thing though that that crowd raised you yeah you know there's a real thing to that right you know they talk about like one of the worst things that happens to people uh in terms of like illness and disease is loneliness one of the worst things like there's something about people that are lonely and sad it. It's one of the worst things in terms of indicators of overall health.

You just don't have a reason to go. You feel real bad and people get real sick. It's real bad for your immune system. But on the other hand, when people love you and you go out there and they know you're sick and they love you and they send you – it sounds hippie and woo-woo, but there's a feeling that you get from that. No way, it's not hippie at all. I believe in that. It's a similar feeling to that feeling

that you get when Kickstart My Heart comes on and you're on the fucking lift hill machine and you're like, whoa! Keeps coming back. Kickstart My Heart, don't you never stop. Baby! Oh my God. Right? That shit's real energy.

It is. It's the truth. Honestly, it's- It's real fuel. I 100% concur with you. Hunter S. Thompson had a great quote about music being fuel. Yeah. That he looked at it like fuel.

What is that fucking quote? See if you can find that quote. Oh my God, music saved my life. Me too. Like my sadness, my joy, all of it. My inspiration. It changes how you feel. You hear a great song and it changes.

It's a fucking drug. It's just like a drug. It changes how you feel. Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. What they really mean is fuel.

I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. On some nights, I still believe that a car with gas needle on empty can run about 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. That's cool. Agreed. I forgot the. Agreed. It would have been perfect. I fucked up the.

But, you know, music as a writer and as a listener has saved my life. It's made people Do more work Like music changes Like the way First of all How many people At their job

They have some Bullshit ass fucking job But music gets them through Like warehouse workers Sure People that are doing shit But they can hear music In the background

Music gets them through They're like Oh shit Not this one And they yell it out To their friends And everybody's having A good time

While they're working. I mean, that's just a fact, right? It's every bullshit job. If you can listen to music at a bullshit job. It's empowering. It makes that job way better. Every construction gig, they suck when the fucking foreman comes over and says, no music, guys. Like, what?

No music? What is television or movies without music you know like there's a whole bunch of dead space but you also have that sort of like you know

music score to your life you know you have those moments in your life where you're going through a breakup or you're going

through whatever or you're empowered and you you know throw on some run the jewels that's my yes shout out to Killer Mike

yeah for real have you had Killer Mike on here? Yes, I have. God damn! I was just texting him the other day. Get out of here. Yeah, he had this crazy fucking speech at the Bernie Sanders rally.

Get out of here. Like one of them goose bumpy speeches. Like, woo! When I listen to Run the Jewels, I get goosebumps. I get like a physical reaction to their music. It's so powerful. And Killer Mike. If that dude wants to run for president killer mike ever runs for president everybody better be real hopeful real hopeful he just enjoys his rap career

he keeps doing what he's doing because if that guy runs for president he's gonna whoo oh my god it's a powerful human being yes he's a powerful orator like like a fucking new age preacher when he was doing it that bernie said i texted him like dude that's some serious shit you know like he was he was spitting flames just whoa yeah he's a brilliant man there's something about people that can do that, right? That can have those fucking giant speeches. And that's one of the reasons why Trump is successful is his ability to stay in front of large groups of people and get big reactions. But he says dumb shit.

He does. But it's all in who's your audience. It's all in who's there and what else have they heard that night. That might be the most fun shit they've heard that night. Who's there and what else have they heard that night? That might be the most fun shit they've heard that night. It's like if you're a bad comic, you know what a lot of bad comics do? They have terrible comedians open for them.

So the audience is just in a coma by the time they get up. In a sense, that's what Trump is. Trump's a comic who's had nothing but shitty comics on before him. So all of the politicians before him, even the most interesting ones, are really boring to listen and talk to for long periods of time. But Trump goes up there and makes fun of Mike Bloomberg's hype by ducking under the fucking table. And he calls Hillary crazy Hillary or lying Hillary and sleepy Joe Biden. He makes jokes about them. I'm not saying I'm not justifying what he does, but the reason why he can even do what he does is because everybody besides him when it comes to communicating is so goddamn boring.

The way they get their message is so fucking boring. Jesus! I get it. You want to help. You're fucking killing me. You're so annoying with the thumb thing. You're full of shit. If you were talking like that in my house, I'd be like, who the fuck are you, man?

Who are you? Why are you lying about your past? Why are you pretending about this? You're lying! You're wearing a mask! It's a weird sleight of hand. The thumb thing. Yeah, the thumb thing. They're wearing a mask. But Killer Mike, there's no mask. No. His gun's blazing. Oh, yeah.

That kind of person is the future of politics. He's a powerful man. That's what's gonna happen. But back to the Trump thing. That's what. Oh, yeah. That kind of person is the future of politics. He's a powerful man. That's what's going to happen. But back to the Trump thing. That's what Trump did, though. He threw in monkey wrenches as a gear. It's the sleight of hand. It's like a magic trick. But so is everyone else.

That's the problem. The problem with saying that is so is Ted Cruz. Everyone saw the videos of Ted Cruz with his family, pretending to have a real moment with his family. On the beach? Is that the one? This is fucked up. It's in the living room.

They're like, Mom, you've got to be more sincere. It's like weird, sculpted, fake, scripted reality. Trump is the antidote to that. That's the problem. They're all crazy, too. That might be a worse kind of crazy. It's a broken system. Who wants to do it?

That's the problem. Joe. No, no, no, no. I think it's time for you to run for president. I'm interested in doing less than I'm doing already. You are leading us all, sir. I'm not leading shit. No chance. The thing.

This is nonsense. These people that do this, they're nonsense people. I wouldn't go for you. They're tricking. It's like someone made a good description of it. I think it was Kyle Kalinsky description of it i think it was kyle kolinsky that's exactly what it was he was saying it's exactly like there was a bunch of crappy comedians that were imitating the cadence of david tell david tell we'll talk like this yeah it was always

funny and he always had these brilliant punch lines and he inspired a whole gigantic slew of people that have imitated this dav Tell cadence. Most of it is harmless and they're just fans and they wanted to be like him. They might not even realize they're doing it and they eventually will find their own voice. And that happens, I'm sure, with musicians. It happens probably with everybody in art and everything, right?

But the problem is just doing something like that is, I can't listen, you can't run the world if you're doing a character, if you're doing this because if you're trying to make it as a comic and you're pretending you're David Tell, fine

but if you want to run the fucking free world and you're doing the Obama thing and you're talking like this and you're talking the exact cadence exactly the way old Barack Obama used to talk like, fuck you man. That's not you. Who are you, bitch? Who are you? At least we know who Trump is.

He might be crazy. It might be madness. It might be chaos. It might be. You're right. Guess what? They all are. The whole thing's crazy. Everybody wants to be president. Almost everyone. Except a couple of them.

You know what I'd like? What? It's madness. Who the fuck wants'd like? What? It's madness! Who the fuck wants to run this thing? Crazy people. I think it'd be cool if...

Dude, man. Let me do that. Bro, I think it'd be cool. Bro, bro. No, honestly, though, if the Democrats, like, teamed up. With who?

Each other. Space aliens? Oh, I think they are doing that right now to try to get rid of Bernie Sanders. But in the, like, you're, you know, head of national security, you're president, you're vice president. Oh.

You know, like, in this way that I think they all have strengths. It's tough to feel like one of them has it all. And essentially that's the case with most people. But if they, I don't know. I know the Democrats probably mean well. I hate talking about politics because people give me so much shit about it and it, well, fuck them. I don't know. I know the Democrats probably mean well. I hate talking about politics because people give me so much shit about it. Well, fuck them. I don't care.

I think that it's a really scary time and Trump is terrifying. Everybody's terrifying. Yeah, but his blatant. I'm going to pee. I have to. I'm holding it together. That's why I'm so anxious right now. Go pee.

Gary Clark wins this one. You know what you should do? You should go pee. You didn't leave and pee yet, right? No, I didn't. Okay's why I'm so anxious right now. Go pee. Gary Clark wins this one. You know what you should do? You should go pee. You didn't leave and pee yet, right? No, I didn't. Okay, why don't we pee? Let's play a song, and then we don't have to play any more songs. Yeah, but let me come back.

You guys talk amongst each other. I'm good. I'm quick. Gary, don't you have to pee, too? No. Wow. That's impressive. That's it. I feel like I have to pee again, and I've already peed once.

He's running in his sport shorts. Do you see the calves on that man? Like, wow. Yeah, man. Make me feel bad about myself and shit. I've been sitting around eating donuts. Come on now. Have I told you how much my mom talks about

how good looking you are? Oh, really? Yeah, she said it literally today. I love her. And I said, Mom, Gary's married to a beautiful supermodel and he's about to... Well, now you've had your third baby. Yes. Yeah.

Well, your mom's sweet. She is. She's great. I wish more people thought like her. Get out of here. She makes me feel better in the morning when I wake up and I just look at this face. Get out of here, Gary. I'm just kidding.

I love my life. It's all good. Thank God. Yeah, it's a good life. Hey, cheers. That's very sweet. Thanks for being here. Thank God. Yeah, it's a good life. Hey, cheers. That's very sweet. Thanks for being here. My pleasure.

Wow. How about it? We're running the Joe Rogan podcast without Joe Rogan. I don't know. Jamie? Not many people have gotten to do that. Oh, my God. Okay.

Well, what should we talk about? Joe. Yeah, right? What a legend. Absolutely. Absolutely. With his space suit and his, you know, his antlers. And is there taxidermy in this room?

I mean, yeah, antlers. Yeah, not really. Yeah, copy that. No, it's a special place. I feel like we're in a bomb shelter of party town. You know, like we're safe here and we're gonna have a good time and we could stay here for a while. Yeah, I wouldn't be mad if this was where I had it.

Me too. You know what I mean? Yeah. So how can we model our lives like it's like WWGD? What would Joe do? Okay, let's take notes. Okay. Start writing this shit down. Okay. One. Sa writing this shit down. Okay. One.

Sauna. Sauna. Neat. Sensor deprivation tank. Two. What? Really? Yeah. Son of a bitch. No, but you know, Joe ironically sent Ben Jaffe and I from Honey Honey to a sensory deprivation tank in Venice Beach.

Uh-huh. And it was going well until I got to that point where I panicked a little bit. Oh, Joe, we were doing so good without you. I literally wrote down sauna. Oh, my God. I'm so thankful. I was just telling the story of when you sent Ben and I to the sensory deprivation tank, the float tank in Venice, with Crash.

Crash, my man. Yeah. And I kind of went in, and Crash was basically like, look, I'm going to lock the doors, and you guys are in here. Do your thing. And so I was in the tank, and I got to this point where I started to panic. And I thought, I was just starting to sort of go somewhere. and I got to this point where I started to panic and I thought, I was just starting to go somewhere and then I was like, what if Crash didn't leave, open the air vent and I'm gonna suffocate?

And I started to go for the door and then I got it in my eye and I was like, ah! Because it's salt water. Were you high? No! Really? I wasn't high. Maybe. I'm not sure.

I really hit a wall. And you're naked. Maybe it makes me suspicious. And I ended up going, I had to jump out and go to the shower and I was like, getting my eyes all rinsed out and I kind of sat there in a towel.

That's so ridiculous ridiculous I failed my first float tank you never get, there's vents there there's air, plenty of air but I will say I went to a cryotherapy in Austin one of the last times I was there and I loved it I didn't last the three minutes

I did like 2.30 before I started to panic I think they're supposed to make you do three minutes. I did like 2.30 before I started to panic. I think they're supposed to make you do two the first time. I did 2.30. You're a rebel. Suck my dick. Whoa. That might be the funniest thing I've ever heard.

That's going to come back to haunt me. Well, I... Sorry. I'm sorry, guys. Who was the first woman to say suck my dick? Was it Jane Fonda? Oh, really? No, not Jane Fonda. I was going to say, I would hope it's like Sarah would hope fonda oh really fonda um i was gonna say i hope i would hope it's like silverman oh g.i.j. more to me more on g.i.j. right remember

she was the navy seal she's like suck my dick and it was like damn i love it i think it's incredible it's like whoa that was the best a woman who ever said, suck my dick. Now you're the queen. Wow, Joe, I cannot. You took that spot. That is a great honor, sir. You took that spot. Because I believe in you. She's just reading lines in the movie. I hate to say this.

Back in the Honey Honey days, I did have a nickname, and it was Suck My Dick Suze. Because I would say it a little too often. It's like a reflex but it's a cool thing that a girl could say even though she doesn't have a dick and everybody thinks it's hilarious like no one gets offended if a girl if a girl's like i don't want to offend anybody if you're offended if you're a guy you're like that is outrageous like you're off the team dare you yeah what guy would be offended by a woman like you saying suck my dick we would think and this is where i get the me too from you guys. From us?

Impossible. But that would be like a good indicator of like douchebaggishness. Someone was upset of you saying suck my dick. Who are you? What's going on here? Yeah, well, that's the climate we're in, which is kind of scary. But I don't think that way, though. It's not that way because that would require men to be upset at a woman for saying something like, suck

my dick. That hasn't gotten that crazy yet. I hope not. The only way it could ever is retaliatory. I don't think so either. But there's a lot of bitches amongst us. There's a lot of bitches amongst us. It could go bad.

We could hit the rocks and then have to bounce back. You know what? We need to conquer those inner bitches. There's a lot of people that are just not capable of getting up. They can't. There's going to be no movement are just not capable of getting up. They can't. Yeah. There's going to be no movement. Agreed.

Boom. They're going to hit that wall. Some guys, look, there's for sure a lot of men who would try to claim that way, in that direction. Well, let's hope that's not the case with this podcast. All of a sudden. All of a sudden. Suck my dick dick you fucking bitch mad at you

appropriating a penis is a fucking horrendous injustice you appropriated a penis I'm pretty sure I said that at one of my last poker games appropriated a penis I'm pretty sure I said that at one of the last poker games

I played and nobody laughed so I was like oh well you're fucking playing poker with a bunch of serious normies no they're a bunch of normies they can't handle it it's okay how about how much money did you take from oh it wasn't you know she's a hustler she's trying not to fuck up her game right now I did okay I did

okay I've always wanted to be good at chess. That would be a thing that would be cool to tell people, like, yeah, I'm really good at chess. Really? Yeah.

Yeah, I guess so. It would be a thing. I guess so. But also, Joe, you're really good at a lot of other things. Yeah, but chess is one of them ones

that's universally respected. Right? You meet a dude who can play some chess, like, oh, okay. Gary, how's your chess game? Terribly non-exist game terrible what is up now checkers on the other hand

they'll fuck you up they'll take your soul in checkers flip it up on its side beat you all day in four squares there's only so many games I love games hours in a day that That's the problem. I recently, this is so silly.

My dear landlord slash friend invited me downstairs to play this game that was created by the Rich Dad Poor Dad author. Oh. A game created by the author of that book? Yeah. And it's, I can't remember. I don't know what it's called. But it. Is it called Suck My Dude? It's called suck my dick bitch and it's it's about it's a financial game it's like

an adult monopoly okay adult and you get out of the rat race i'm always scared when i play monopoly you get out of the rat race and then you go to the like big dogs and it's very enlightening because you're kind of like buying property and then you're like the like big dogs and it's very enlightening because you're kind of like buying property and then you're like making deals and there's something about it that well i did you read rich dad poor dad no it's interesting it's it's an interesting way to approach your relationship with money if you've ever struggled with it or weren't sort of given a crash course on how to handle it or not handle it. What did you get out of it? I got that the power that money can have over you is something to reconcile with,

in a way that you can live a healthier life. Obviously, in a consumerist society, you kind kind of have this constant, like I need, I need, I need, you know, all that stuff. But Rich Dad, Poor Dad, I, first of all, I read half the book. I didn't read the whole book. So I can't really like speak on the entirety of it, but it gave me a different level of confidence that money was taking from me. You know, like the word as an artist, like I chose the life to be a musician. I could have lived in Cleveland and sold spaghetti and had a comfortable life, but I didn't do that. And because my family has a great they have a great restaurant. If that ship has sailed because it's like out of my immediate family's hands.

That ship has sailed because it's like out of my immediate family's hands. But at the time, I've had many, many moments in my life where I was like, should I move home and just like ditch this music thing? Because that would be so much easier. And money's been like this. You know, you kind of have I've I've had a roller coaster and it can like rule my sleep and rule my happiness and my anxiety. But when I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and then in conjunction with this board game I played with Russell, it really it's so funny. It seems you know what? It seems like part of the whole illusion of reality.

And obviously you need money to survive. and obviously you need money to survive, but the stock that we put into it is pretty incredible. And the things that we think that we need in order to... Satisfy us. Yes, yes. And I feel like there's this weird mind game I'm always playing with it. Yeah. And I feel like there's this weird mind game I'm always playing with it.

Yeah. Like in terms of like getting to the next level in my music career, like it's going to take this much. How are you going to get it? You know, all that stuff. But at the end of the day, I think when you sort of like release your white knuckles on the thing, it all works itself out i know that sounds pretty um you know broad but i think of money as something that's entangled into life yeah there's there's great aspects to what you can do with your money but it's entangled into your life in a weird way there's like there's what you currently can do, right, based on your circumstances, based on your life, your health, your responsibilities.

There's what you can do and there's what's humanly possible for you to do. And when you see people that are making a lot of money and you see that money, that money starts to get you thinking that that's what you should do. You should do that money thing, whatever that money is. No, no, no. I used to make less money now i make more money and that makes more money than even i make i gotta do what that is to get more money but then you do that you realize oh but this isn't fun yeah now most of my day is spent doing something that's not enjoyable that's not what i want to do so then it's what you want to do what you can do what's possible and what

you want to do and they don't always go together sometimes what you can do, what's possible, and what you want to do. And they don't always go together. Sometimes what you can do is, like, you have too much responsibilities, and you're always going to feel short-sighted by life because it's random, and it's crazy, and it's chaos. But the money thing can trick you. Like, if you have a certain amount of money in the bank. Like, Brian Callen said it best to me. He's like, once you go to a restaurant and you don't worry about what food costs, he goes, everything else

is bullshit. I was like, dude, you're right. Because that's when you're free. When you know your rent is paid, you know your gas is paid, your car payment's paid, you're not worried about it at all. You can just go eat. Let's go eat. You don't really care. You leave a nice fat tip. Thank you.

Good night. Bye That's when that's when you're rich Everything other than that is like what are you doing? Like you just trying to score points because that's what we're doing trying to get the high score Everybody wants to get the high score like that a high score like you're in there fucking playing centipede all day What's centipede? I never thought about it. Old school arcade games. It was just come down like this.

You shoot at them. It's Pong era. Like just past Pong. Super old school dork shit. That's funny. But that's what it's like. Yeah. It's like, you know.

Yeah, the minute you stop obsessing about it, it stops becoming a problem. Yeah. In some ways. I mean, it depends on your situation. But yeah, for me, it feels like this weird, like spiritual grapple. I'm just like, like once I chill out,

all the things start. Yes, always, because you're more relaxed. If you're more relaxed, you're better. If you're better, you attract people that want to do stuff with you. Yeah.

Desperate people. Yeah. Anxious people are, the worst is angry people. People that are angry that they've been fucked over by the system somehow or another. I'm not angry. I will say that.

And I feel really grateful for that. Like with how hard I work and like trying to get the things that I really want, I don't feel jaded or, you know, cynical about it. I feel really excited. It's going to be really tired at the same time. It's going to be really romantic once you make it. When you become gigantic, it's going to be really romantic.

These times you're going to look back on. Me and Brad Pitt. Just fucking banging it out with Brad Pitt. Doing the best music you can do. Just hoping for the future to be bright. There's something about these days though. You almost have to appreciate them because when they're gone, they're gone forever.

They're gone, they're gone forever. I think about that sometimes yeah because i i do believe like i i i know that i won't feel like i do now with the like the struggle you know whatever um but i also think like you know maybe this is i did not read The Secret or watch The Secret. However, I've had two guys I broke up with give me The Secret as a book. Oh, Jesus Christ. Dating fruitcakes. I guess. Don't I fucking know it?

And I. You need a lumberjack from Montana. Yeah. Some dude is an arborist. Please. He's climbing trees. That's what you need. But like, you have to be funny and kind and get your shit together. You gotta go to Bozeman. I love Bozeman. That's what I'm in trees. But you have to be funny and kind and get your shit together.

There's plenty of those. You've got to go to Bozeman. I love Bozeman. That's what I'm talking about. One of my favorite poker tables is in Bozeman. Oh, my God. She is a hustler. Gary, stay the fuck away from her.

Do not have a wad of pocket money to go to visit this lady. There's this bar there that has like a six-seat table. And I probably go in once a year, and I love it. And I don't know if the dealer's name is Spencer and I'll walk in at the last few years and I love it. It makes me feel so cool. He goes, honey, honey! And I walk in

and you can play off of 40 bucks for six hours and have a blast. It's fun. It's just fun. It's a hustler. I don't know. Trying to play games with us. Oh, just yuck. Having good times. Aw, shucks. I don't know. I like to play cards. I like, just yuck. Having good times. Aw, shucks. I don't know. I just like to play cards. I like to have fun.

It's fun. Games are fun for people. They are fun. Have you ever done any of those VR quest things where you put on a VR helmet and go to a fucking warehouse and- Once, yeah. Fight gargoyles and shit? No, I was dancing. I was in a VR dance with this robot with John Spiker.

John Spiker had a VR helmet, and I was with him and his wife in Lake Arrowhead, and we were drunk and having fun. And then I was dancing with a robot, and then I got dizzy. I got pretty dizzy. You're not really sure the ground is real. It's weird. It's weird it's weird well it the thought of it is disconcerting because you're like it's so the sound the visual the actual like uh depth of space you know you're like in a real setting and then you come out and you're like this isn't as fun as that and that's fucking weird

like that's scary that's where we're at oh yeah that's where the future is because right now it's still pretty crude you can still definitely tell it's not real life but how long is that gonna last they're they're so duncan speaking of duncan had the very first htz htc vive which is one of the very first consumer um virtual reality headsets you could. And he was like an early adopter. So when Duncan, when they were first going through it, you'd put his helmet on. It was attached to a PC via all these cables. And you couldn't move very far. You had a very small area you could move in.

And everything was really, really, really pixelated. Like in no way did it look real. It looked more like some sort of an old school video game. Okay. But then I came back and I did this podcast again two years later and I tried the new one. And the new one was way better. I was like, whoa. And the new one, I was at the bottom of the ocean. A whale swam by and I looked right in the whale's eyeballs.

I was like, holy fuck, dude. And he's like, bro, you should see the porn. That's what Duncan sounds like. And I was like, no fuck, dude. And he's like, bro, you should see the porn. That's what Duncan sounds like. And I was like, no, they don't. He goes, yes, they do. Yeah. And there was quite a few things you could do. There was one archery game.

It was amazing. It was almost like South Park-style characters were bouncing towards you. And they were trying to kill you. And then you would shoot at them like Roman times, likeians were attacking your castle and you'd be on this castle with a bow and arrow and you'd be shooting at these like south park looking shapes but it was fucking crazy did you kill kenny i killed all the kennys but the problem is you you're so tired because your arms are just doing this for minutes and minutes you're exhausted my shoulders are tired yeah everything was tired.

Don't they have VR workouts like you do? Oh, yeah, for sure. So you're like, you know, training with Olympians and stuff? There's some great boxing games that make you super nervous. You feel like you're boxing someone. You got headgear on,

and there's a big Russian dude with a fucking cross on his chest that's coming towards you and throwing punches at you. It's nuts. They're cartoon-looking. They look like Mike Tyson punch-out-type characters. They're cartoon looking. They look like Mike Tyson punch out type characters. They're cartoon looking.

Can you feel? No, no. But you see white when they hit you. Oh, that's weird. That's disorienting. Yeah. It's like it would feel like if you, you know, eventually they'll probably have some haptic feel back.

Do you ever feel like the more. That is now as I say, I was reading about one just yesterday. It's opened up. I think it's called dreamscape. They have an animal thing. You have sensors on your hand. The kids are saying, I felt like I was touching the animals. I did that.

Dreamscape, they have it in Century City. The difference between that is it's not like a fight with a thing. The boxing one, it's a real workout. The Dreamscape one is just fun. They have one that's an alien zoo. There's a thing. This alien comes towards one's just fun. They have one that's an alien zoo, and there's a thing. This alien comes towards you, and you put your hand on its head.

They have a little guy working there, and he's got a little foam rubber thing, and he puts it right where the head should be, and you touch it. But you really feel like you might be touching this alien's fucking head. I mean, I will say I feel like there was like a little piece of my humanity that was lost when I was in a VR situation where I came back and I'm like, I lost time or something. Yeah. What you said is best is that it's more fun sometimes than regular life. And it's crude. Yeah.

When it's complicated. Yeah. This is the argument for simulation theory. The argument for simulation theory is we know it's coming. One if things keep if you go back to like the model you don't think it's already here it might be i don't know i don't know but if you go back to like the model t and then look at like a modern brand new bmw like the amount of technology involved in the shift is so radical and so so crazy and not that long like 100 years or so imagine what it's going to be like 100 years from now because things are just

speeding up we're still going to be alive apparently probably according to this dude so the stuff that we're seeing now in terms of virtual reality this is just the tip of the iceberg yeah yeah it's weird some freaky shit you're going to be able to stay home and do Virtual reality, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. It's some freaky shit. You're going to be able to stay home and do concerts, though. That's the goal. We could already do that, though.

That shit's already available. Yeah, but I mean, have it be fully immersive, like someone's on stage with you. Oh, gosh. Like someone at that Jameson event. You can never replace A live show I don't know if you're right I do I think you're right And I don't think

We're limited to what we understand People are capable of right now I think until Our actual resources Collapse and you can't go outside And you have to live in a bubble Nothing can replace a live music show or a live comedy show when you're right there. I think you're right for now.

Until the VR gives you the breath, the wind on your face, and the fucking heat from the pyrotechnics or whatever. By the way, I was at the Grammys when you played. And the pyrotechnics were, I was like, ah! There was fire on stage. Susanna, I don't think they're very, I don't think they're very far away from being able to transmit

a more immersive experience than being there live. Man, call me a purist. Me too. That fucking sucks. It does suck. That sucks.

It sucks. You're going to get a bunch of people that are just glued to that machine. I can't. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, you first.

No, go ahead. No, you first. No, go ahead. No, please. The question is, don't forget your thought. That's not the question. That was a request. I just remember you said, I can't. The question is, I can't believe that you could replace, check me out here.

Can I close? Yeah, thanks, friend. The energy that you get from a live performance with virtual reality. I can't believe or subscribe to that thought that it is going to be manufactured digitally. Okay. Right. I see what you're saying.

Like you can get all the effects of the sensory stuff with the sound and the visual and maybe even have machinery that gives you physical like air or heat or cold or whatever would, you know, simulate that thing. But I can't at the core of my being thinks think that you could you could substitute the energy that you feel when you connect with a room full of people. Cheers. Love you guys. This is so much fun. Salute. Do you know what I'm saying? I do.

I completely agree with you, but I don't. Okay. I saw Tupac live at Coachella. Me too. How weird was that? That was the year we were together. He was so jacked. It's like Tupac's been doing CrossFit, right?

Tupac was super jacked. But was that the same thing? No, it's not the same thing, but I'm kind of in the middle. I feel like you've got to— This is what I think. I really think this. Right now, you're right. Right now, you can't be at a show where you're on stage live

and get that same exact experience if you were at home on a computer or with a vr goggle i feel like right now yes but in the future they might be able to get to the point where it's better to do it through vr because i'm standing right next to you while you're singing on stage. Last thought. The intimacy of the crowd experience. You're right. Where you can look to your neighbors and be like, fuck yes. You're so right. But you know what replaces that?

You can't simulate that. One way. What? You can't simulate that. In cells that finally find an online community. And when they meet in virtual reality. They meet in virtual reality. Not only is it more satisfying than real life has ever been for them, it's the only way

Nothing's better than real intimacy. They don't have that. It's not happening. I don't know, man. But this might be the only way where they can recreate some sense of community through digital entanglement, like through these VR goggles where they're all together in a room together. Nothing's better than real sexual entanglement.

You're so right. But for some people, that's not right. They can't digitize that. Unless you feel like fucking Gary Coleman. I'm angry. Right? Some people are not going to catch the right break. They don't have a good hand of cards. Gary, help me.

I can't. I can't. You know what I'm saying? We would love it, everybody, to get fucking four aces. Is this where we're headed, folks? Is this it? This is our peak. I don't think this is the worst thing that could ever happen to us.

I think this is just a problem and a puzzle. I think the way we handle these problems and puzzles is what's going to define our future. That's what I think. And I think there's a lot of old school people with old school ideas that are trying to keep things running the same way they were when there's no internet and no accountability i think there's a healthy level of evolving and integrating and also not going full throttle robot there's all these things but there's so many things happening at the same time that can affect your life forever you can't pay attention to all of them. And that includes industrial waste and chemicals and fucking life

and sucking all the tuna out of the ocean. So where's the bunker? That's a good question. Where's the party bunker? There's a lot of questions, right? How does this play out? Do we fucking figure this thing out before the canoe gets to the waterfall? Well, in all transparency though, when it comes down to it, the end, I'm afraid to die whoa this bitch is crazy i'm not i'm really not like i

like i mean i don't want to suffer and like burn in like nuclear like you know waste and and be like in that uh aftermath i really don't want that but you know when it's like if it's lights out I'm pretty spiritual so I'm sort of curious of like what's next yeah and then if there's nothing then like what the fuck do I care yeah it is really right

like this is what I've always said everyone wants to go to sleep but everyone's scared to die right everyone's looking forward to sleep like oh everyone's scared to die. Right? Everyone's looking forward to sleep. Like, oh, I can't wait to shut off and hope I come back. I want to just be vulnerable for eight hours. Sounds good.

See ya. God, first of all, as someone who's been deprived of sleep, I love it. Well, you're giving it to the robot overlords to remap your brain. I actually don't know who's speaking to you right now. Somebody else. Some pilot in the back of your brain. Tell them you've never been happier, Suzanne. Gary Clark Jr.

Suzanne, shut the pod bay door. It's a matter of time before we integrate with whatever the fuck is the future. It's a matter of time. We're hanging out. We're heirloom people. We're like the last group of people. I mean, I'm the oldest of all of us. I'm 52, which means when I was a kid, no one even thought of the internet.

He's in the best shape of all of us, though. I know. I'm hanging in there. I have ideas. I'm going right into my house and be like, babe, I got to get my shit together. Oh, my God. I want to see that look on your face when you say those words. Oh, yeah?

Like you did the same time last year? Great. I'll be taking care of these children. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. What is that quote? It's a quote. Inspiration is like bathing.

It's effective, but it must be done daily. Is that it? That's a quote? It's a quote like that. I forget who said it. Inspiration is like bathing Yeah yeah yeah It's like

It's effective But it must be done daily I can hang with that For it to really work Yeah Inspire yourself I brutally And really unpoetically

Paraphrase that Do you know how I Like back to like Having the blues Having like depression and stuff Is that Bertrand Russell? The first thing that popped up

Is Zig Ziglar It also changed a little bit I've seen Ten variations of inspiration Like a shower I'm in like depression and stuff. Is that Bertrand Russell? The first thing that popped up is Zig Ziglar. It also changed a little bit. I've seen 10 variations of inspiration. Like a shower, you need it daily. Damn. Bathing, blah, blah, blah. Jamie is so on it.

He's the best. Yeah, he's the best. He's the goat. I know. I love that guy. Yeah. But back to like, you know, per inspiring yourself. Man, whenever I've been like really in it, in my like head and down, if I just read a book.

Just something that takes your brain away from what you're concentrating on currently. Just like you develop a new story or inspiration or like even just like jargon. You're getting new words. There's something about it that's really empowering. You know, I watched a movie again real recently that I haven't seen in quite a long time. It's something about it that's really empowering. You know, I watched a movie again, real recently that I haven't seen in quite a long time. It's called... Jurassic Park. I've seen that like 80 times. It's called Happy People.

Life on the Taiga. It's a Werner Herzog documentary. It's a great documentary about these really, really, really fucking happy people. And they live in Siberia. And there's 300 of them in this town. And some of them are trappers, and some of them are hunters,

and some of them go out and pick pine nuts, and they grind them in this old-fashioned wood machine. They have dogs everywhere. They live on the base of this river, and they scratch and claw and get by every year. They know what to do. They work every fucking day. They get up.

They run nets through the ice in order to catch pike. Are these the, where the kids have like hawks on their hands and like eagles? No, no, no. Okay, sorry. I think you're thinking of Mongols. Fuck. These people live in this really, really, really inhospitable cold as fuck area where it's only, the river's only thawed for like two or three months out of the

whole year. The river. The fucking river! It's a great documentary, but I watched it again. i want to watch it again okay and the thing about it is werner herzog werner herzog is one of my favorite documentarians because he's like he's so passionate about fascinating things whether it's this or grizzly man or the one about the um the cave paintings in in france there's this amazing documentary about these 40 i believe it's 40 000 yearold cave paintings they found in this cave in France. We're like, what in the fuck?

Like, imagine what these people's lives were like. These creative people that were, like, becoming what we are today, but only 40,000 years ago. So they're probably really fucking similar to what we are. And these people were just barely clawing by, living in fucking caves in France. And there's cats and lions and oxen and all these crazy animals they're depicting on the walls. These caves where they raise their families and hope they didn't get eaten. I think that's what it is, though. No, I think that it's simplicity.

It's like love, sust. No, I think that it's simplicity. It is simplicity. It's like love, sustenance, and intimacy. Community. Community. Yeah, everything, like bonds. I always said this about prison. What's the worst thing they can do? They put you in solitary.

Yeah, isolation. They take you away from rapists, murderers, and thieves. Yeah. And they put you by yourself, and you're like, no. Yeah. Keep me in general population. I'll take my chances. You'd rather take your chances.

You know what I loved about your Bernie Sanders episode was he said that there's an epidemic in this country, and it's a lack of community. Yes. And I thought that was really profound. He's right. He is right. You know, you don't—like, half of us don't know our neighbors. And so since I've been home for a while since my last tour, which has been like crazy, I've really enjoyed immersing myself in my community and like getting to know where I, like people,

where I get my coffee. and getting to know people where I get my coffee. And it feels so good to walk in and have them be like, Hey, Suze, you want your latte? You want your oat milk latte? And I'm like, yes, thank you. It's a little thing, but it's not. You have recognition and people see each other. And that goes a long way.

It does. Man, it really does. It does. Knowing your neighbors is a good feeling. Having a community is a good feeling. see each other and that that goes a long way it does man it really does it does like knowing your neighbors is a good feeling having a community is a good feeling that's one of the things that like we're talking about that it's an indication of health sure and or an indicator of poor health too is when you don't have those connections like people feel real lost yeah they don't have a sense of community and that's one of the things that uh any sort of uh thing can provide them and that's

why it's dangerous to get lumped up in groups because some groups are toxic. You really want camaraderie. That's what gangs are all about, right? People grow up in real bad circumstances and together through a group they find loyalty and unity and they get compelled to act in the interest of that group even if it's really dangerous, illegal shit. And so they do it out of love. They do a negative thing for a they do it out of love. They do it. They do a negative thing out of a positive for a positive reason because they want love.

I think we all do that. We all do that with our ideologies. We do it with our religions. We do it with so many different things we do. We do it because we want love. But we're not we're failing to understand the mechanisms that are at work that are causing us to be a fundamentalist or reactionary or really a radical person on one side or the other. It's like we really just want to be loved. But it's so simple.

Yeah, it is so simple. Like there's so many things convoluting that. It's hard for people to admit. Yeah. I mean, well, I was telling you guys earlier about the LAFC, the Los Angeles Football Club. I went to my second game yesterday. It was their season opener. And, you know, I'm a diehard Cleveland sports fan.

I love where I'm from. I love the tribe. I love the Cavs. I love the Browns, but I kind of have a beef with the NFL. Let's not get into it. Someone's very Cleveland-centric. Well, you know, it's just like I love the Browns, but, like, my God. Let me ask you a Cleveland question if you're so high and mighty on Cleveland.

Oh, shit. Who's the UFC heavyweight champion of the world? Fuck. Stipe Miocic. Where does Stipe live? Motherfucking Cleveland. But you said UFC. South Euclid.

What's that? Euclid, bro. Euclid? It's a neighborhood. Thanks for that. First of all. Donald's going deep. Money, the water, the fucking Ohioan. It took over. Attackid, bro. Euclid? It's a neighborhood. Thanks for that. First of all. Donald's going deep. Money, the water, the fucking Ohioan took over.

Sorry, tag team, Ohioan. But hold up. He's the greatest heavyweight of all time. Do you know that the UFC's greatest, most accomplished heavyweight of all time lives and from Cleveland? Shut your mouth. He claims Cleveland. Shut your mouth, Jamie. He claims Cleveland.

But he's a great guy. He's a monster. I am not as educated on the UFC front. Well, educate yourself. And I also, in all transparency, I know this is boxing, but I did watch the Wilder Fury fight. Did not like it at all. It made me very sad. Did you watch it live?

Yeah, sure did. Oh. In between a poker game. Have you seen a boxing match live before? Oh, God. No. Oh, no. I watched it on the television.

Oh, that's not live? Where are you from? Cleveland, you asshole. Suck my dick. Suck my dick. No, but let me get back to it. The point is god damn it

look I want to get into the UFC a little bit more but I get a little tripped up by it but what I wanted to say about no I first of all I love you and I want to go to a match anytime I just really yes anytime cool you want to go next weekend I'm going to be anytime. Cool. You want to go next weekend?

I'm going to be on tour. Okay. I'm going to tell you. Yeah. You want to go? Next weekend. Gary should go. UFC Vegas. Gary, you should go to UFC Vegas.

Yeah, I do, actually. Okay, you're in. You're in. Beautiful. But when I'm in town next, let's go together. Have a good time on tour. I feel sad. Gary and I will be watching people fuck each other up.

God damn it. Gary, you've been to a few of them, right? Getting some FOMO. I have been to a few. Yeah. Getting some FOMO getting some FOMO hey back to the community thing

son of a bitch in my face it just comes back full circle I'm sorry cheers well played cheers to all you guys

well played you assholes Oh my god What I wanted to say was I know it's taking me 10 minutes to get her The LAFC team is has been constructed by

some pretty great folks in LA like Will Ferrell's a big impetus behind the team and Mia Hamm and all these great folks that kind of tailored it to Los Angeles. And my first game was you could I've never felt that kind of pride in Los Angeles. Like I've always sort of felt like a transplant here. And I've been here for almost 20 years. And it was incredible. Whoa. The game itself is mind blowing.

Like it's nonstop and like the physical feat of and I grew up playing soccer, so I love to watch it. I love to play like it's great. here and the enthusiasm and just the way that they have built the stadium in downtown Los Angeles. It was heavy. Look at you. You went hand to heart. I did. I felt it deeply. I felt it so deeply. You can make

fun of me all you want. Look at that gorgeous stadium. That is beautiful. Now, were you a soccer fan? Excuse me, football fan? Can we just come up with one fucking name? We can't call it football, okay? Why not? Because we have American football and we have all the missiles. Yeah, that's fine.

Listen, we're not interested in changing the name of football. All right. Tell us more. Go ahead. This is us shit. We're all in this together. I'm just talking about names. I don't even like football.

I think if they were real men, they'd take those fucking helmets off. This is nonsense. Oh, football, football. Not football. Nonsense. Get the fuck out of here. Let's be clear. By the way, all you savages, I'm joking.

These are just jokes. Fucking corn-fred assholes come down from Idaho. What the fuck, bro? We're going to get so much shit for this podcast. We got football. I'm just kidding. Keep your pads on. Music conservatory.

Wear more pads. I think you should play football from fucking hamster wheels. Just giant hamster wheels slamming each other. If you're going to have shoulder pads, just pad up the fucking entire area around you. Why are we playing games? We want to protect you a little bit. Let's protect you all the way. Hamster wheels.

Oh my God, you're so fucked. Everyone inside Ferris wheels slamming into each other from a distance of like hundreds of yards. You're in the center powering it. You slam into each other. Let's eliminate CTE

and make this fun for everybody. We just need bigger, we need golf court size areas to play on. Yeah, man. Yeah. It would get some views.

It would get some views. That's how the fucking man played it. That's how it was. That's actually not even men That was the guys in the transitionary period they were transitioning that was right when in yeah See the original men wore leather helmets. Yeah Well, here's the thing here's a little shout out to our Native American friends

One of the problems when they first started inventing football is the Native American teams would fuck when they first started inventing football, is the Native American teams would fuck up the white teams. Sure. So they had these dudes who were college educated and trying to learn how to play this new game, and these Native American dudes would put the smash down on them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fucking old school, angry that the grandpa got scalped,

land got stolen. As they should be. Yeah. They've been hunting bison for a thousand generations. Put that real smack down. But it wasn't like they were making millions of dollars each player. This is a new thing, though. They had real jobs and then football.

Yeah. So this is the story. If you Google how American Indians saved the sport of Football. It's an amazing story. And it's really the origins of the beginning of football. They barely had pads. They had these little shoulder fucking things that dudes have now in sport coats to make themselves look like they're more boxy. Crazy.

It's the male equivalent of a push-up bra. There's a dude with padded shoulders and a sport coat. I thought of it before but yeah it is that's exactly what it is they're that weird little thing like oh i'm a general yeah whenever i buy like a vintage jacket i take the shoulder pads out because i feel like a douchebag you're a rebel suck my dick. I can't. I think there was an NPR, like a Radiolab podcast. That's what this is about, yeah. Oh, I love Radiolab. 1905. 19 people died playing football.

Bro. This is like, not many people playing even. Wait, was that in a year? Yeah, 19 people died playing it. What's the timeline? One year. Oh, my God. Those people are different.

I'm going to duck out for a second. Gary's got to pee. Gary's got to pee. Get it. I have to pee, too. Suzanne, keep it together until Gary gets back. This is an epic one. Take one for the team.

We're like three and a half hours in. I saw that, and I just said to my phone, we should probably play a song when Gary comes back. 100%. We can do whatever the fuck we want probably play a song when Gary comes back. 100%. We can do whatever the fuck we want. And then not exhaust your fan base. No, this is amazing. Here's the thing.

They don't have to listen. The whole reason this podcast became successful, Ari Shafir, who I know and love, he's my brother. I think I met him once. I love Ari to death. I love him. He's amazing. But Ari gave me the worst advice ever, and I talk about it often. He's like, you've got to edit.

You can't have your podcast four hours long. I go, why not? He goes, then I'm going to listen to all of it. I go, well, and I talk about it often. He's like, you've got to edit. You can't have your podcast four hours long. I go, why not? He goes, then I'm going to listen to all of it. I go, well, then you don't have to. I'm pretty sure the last Honey Honey podcast were about three hours. And he fully admits it, by the way. But it's not a knock on Ari. No one knew what was going on back then.

I was just stubborn. Yeah. Yeah, I was just like. I think you've done a great job doing it your way. I really, and i salute that and i also like you know joe you've had a big hand in my career and and what's gone on with honey honey and how you've supported us and like there's something very special about not um just just doing it your way not tailoring it to anyone else's agenda. It's like, it's pretty fucking cool

what you're doing, my friend. The crazy thing is that it happened 100% organically. You know, there was no preconception. There was no idea that this was going to happen. Just keep doing it and do what you like, and then eventually it happens. But like, when you and I went to see Sturgill, how fun was that?

So good. How fun was that? So good. How fun was that? So good. But I enjoyed that so much. Me too. Because we went to see another one of our friends in this real cool, intimate setting. I don't know Sturgill. You worked with him?

No. I never met him. Jesus Christ. But I love him. But didn't there was some communication back and we so we both worked with dave cobb on uh honey honey's last record was produced by dave cobb and he does all of sturgill's records for the most part i think it's crazy i would have swore that you guys had met no i've never met him a huge fan love him but i told you i got mad at him

at that one point where he did like an 11-minute guitar solo and was shredding it. It was fucking sick. And then he said, all right, it's a little too much testosterone. Let's tone it down for the ladies. And he played like a love song. And I was like, ladies love rock and roll. Sturgill. He was just looking for a good segue, man.

First of all, I fucking love him And I give him a free pass I love him too But let me tell you I like rock and roll You know who else I love Who That dude who's

On the road with him right now Tyler Tyler Childers Yeah he's cool God damn he's good He's super cool Both of his albums That I've listened to

I don't know if he has More than two Does he have more than two I don't know He's really good He's really authentic yeah yeah they're doing like stadiums aren't they they're like doing huge oh jesus arenas bitch my bad sorry i'll see myself out been fun guys sturgill told me he quit sugar he lost 20 pounds he sent me a

text he's like motherfucker i lost 20 pounds I'm ready to do Some fucking arenas Woo Oh my god Can I pee now I'm gonna pee now Who has three And then we should Probably play

Because we're going On a three hour podcast Well no it's fine There's no one We have no boss You're right You're right Whoa

Suzanne good luck Return We're gonna say Nice things about you I don't know What's gonna happen Take a left You're going to say nice things about you. I don't know what's going to happen. Take a left. You're going the wrong way.

She said, I don't know what's going to happen. Gary Clark. Yeah, man. Are you talking about Sturgill? I love that dude to death. Yeah, man. He's one of my favorite people. He's cool.

I saw you guys hanging. That was a new introduction. Dude, I love him. Yeah, he's dope. He's amazing. I've had a bunch of fun experiences with him. But one of them was like, I have a couple of buddies of mine that at the time they were living in Idaho. They came down to visit me.

And I said, hey, I go, come on down. They live in bum fuck Idaho, right, at the time. Shout out to my friend kenton ken cruith uh first light uh is a uh uh hunting apparel company and my friend ryan callahan and they came with me to the laugh factory we're just hanging out and i said hey uh my friend sturgill simpson's gonna come by and they're like what so and sturgill shows up with one of his buddies like what's up man and they're like and then we're all smoking weed and they're like holy And Sturgill shows up With one of his buddies Like what's up man

And they're like And then we're all smoking weed And they're like Holy shit We just smoked weed With Sturgill Simpson Sorry if I get you In trouble Sturgill

But and then You know He goes What in the fuck Just happened Did we just smoke weed With Sturgill Simpson Yeah

Yeah man Like yes That's what happened Not his last album But the one before I didn't know I was supposed to Not tweet it

But I was the one Who broke his album I broke the cover I put it on my Instagram I said this album Is the shit Oh what he sent it to you Or something

He sent it to me I thought it was already Everybody already knew How far before the release It was pretty close It was pretty close It It was pretty close. It only helped. Yeah, man.

Of course. All I'm saying is that it's the shit. No, of course, man. That's an amazing thing. He's a unique dude, you know, because, like, it's hard to define him. Like, he's all over the place. That's kind of what time it is, though, I feel like. I agree with you.

I agree with you. People are complex. Yes yes and they should be right we should be complex you know and then sometimes not like i love acdc yeah there's that yeah that's okay though it's like i don't i don't think there's a right way or wrong way I think it's great to have all sorts of different things you know a whole lot of Rosie's that's a fucking song for for the ages and it's a real simple song about a giant lady you know it's a real simple song about a real large lady and it's amazing. A whole lot of Rosie's amazing. Ta-da-da-dow. Ta-da-da-dow.

I mean, a whole lot of Rosie. ACDC. I mean, come on. Oh, yeah. Come on, sister. I'm here. We need an equal word to come on, son. Ooh. To girls. You know? I mean, sister works. We need an equal word. I'm a big fan of the friendly, like, come on, help. You know, sister works. We need an equal one.

I'm a big fan of the friendly, like, come on, help. Just in the friendly way, not in the negative way. I like calling girls hookers. But in a fun way. When girls yell shit out in the audience, I'm like, settle down, hooker. But it's all love. It's not in a mean way.

I will say, I feel like you're the only person, the only person, and I mean that and I don't say that lately that I can laugh when you're like yeah bitch well listen you and I have been friends for almost a decade I know

oh my god it fell off yeah we met in 2011 we did that end of the world show in 2012. That was fun. It didn't end, apparently. Supposedly, we're still here. Honey, Honey, Joey Diaz, Doug Stanhope, and I did a show at the Wiltern in Los Angeles on December 21, 2012.

That was the Terrence McKenna thing, the end of the Mayan calendar. Right. Terrence McKenna, he had a computer.an calendar Right Terrence McKenna He had a computer This is how deep that motherfucker ran He got so high He came up with an algorithm Based on the I Ching That was mapping out time

It wasn't the Mayan calendar? It was It was both Oh okay It was the Mayan calendar It was novelty It was based on novelty It coincided

This is what happened He came up with a thing called novelty theory. And novelty theory he based off the I Ching. The I Ching, which is, it's a divination system, a Chinese divination system. And they would throw these hexagrams. I believe it's hexagrams.

And they would indicate a certain pattern and they would try to recognize this pattern. Was it hexagrams? What the fuck is the I Ching? Anyway, they would throw these stones. It's crazy. It is hexagrams. Thank you. So it's a Chinese

method of divination that's more than a thousand years old. And they were trying to conduct what McKenna believed. This is what he believed the I Ching really was. He believed it was a map of time and that they had, through some way, figured out through hexagrams

to recognize that time was, it was mimicable. You could capture it in hexagrams, in mathematics, in geometry. Is this like a string theory kind of thing? Almost.

All right. And that you could come up with some sort of a system to this thing. And he called that system time wave zero. And what he thought that system was, he thought that was a system of recognizing novelty, like new ideas, creative things, whether it's the Internet or internal combustion engine or the Tesla electric car, anything where it was, where you could map that out and you could say, okay, if you looked at this as a mathematical algorithm and you saw how this was going to play out, you could almost predict patterns in this wave. And where do you predict this happening and that happening, and where does it end? Where does it get to a point where it's so crazy no one knows what the fuck to do?

And in Terrence's life, he believed that time was December 21st, 2012. And as a matter of fact, my Barracuda, I had a 1970 Barracuda, my license plate was December 2012. Because I'm like, if this bitch ends, I'm going to be driving around

this 1970 Barracuda. Did you think it was going to end? I did. You really did. That's why we did that show together. That's it. Look at that. Rogue and Stan Hope. Oh my god. I love that so much. That was us. That makes me so happy. December 21st, I was like,

if I'm going to die, I'm going to be with my favorite people on the planet. Like, legitimately. Wow. This is my favorite people on the planet. You rolled through the countdown. That's what I love. There was no like 10, 9.

You were like, happy New Year, motherfuckers. And then you just kept on with your set. It was great. Yeah. Well, it was fun. It was fun. It was like my favorite people are my family and my friends. There's Ben.

Yeah. And to be able to do a show. And I wore a's been. Yeah. And to be able to do a show and I wear a fucking suit. Yeah. I'm like, if Odin's going to come capture me, he's going to capture me wearing some fucking very fine David August apparel. Didn't Joey Diaz do a set?

Yes. Joey Diaz, Doug Stanhope, and you guys. And Honey Honey. That was so special. It was one of our favorite times. Thank you for bringing us on to such a cool thing. Come on. It was fun. It was really fun. Just me Doug Stanhope, and you guys, and Honey Honey. That was so special. Thank you for bringing us on to such a cool thing. Come on, it was fun.

Just me and Stanhope. Look, I love Stanhope as much as I'll cut my fucking pinky off for Stanhope. I don't see him enough. So whenever we get to make an excuse to do this, we're going to do another, I should tell this right now, we're going to do another

End of the World podcast at the new presidential elections. So when was it November 21st 2000? What is it? The first week. The first Tuesday of November. Whatever it is. 2020. We're going to be at the Comedy Store. We're going to make that shit happen.

We're going to do another live podcast. This time it's just going to be me, Stan and a couple other people Last time we got too many people November 3rd End of the world Or not It seems like we're wrong a lot

Who knows My thought on all this is like Everyone Even the people at the top of government They're just people They need to listen too We all need to listen. We can work together.

This system that we're on, this fucking clock that we're on, it's not good for anybody. We're all worried. No one's good at being wrong. No one's good at being like, oh, I made a mistake. I'm so sorry because you're a human and that's what we do. And that's where I think there's this real disconnect with the people that are, quote unquote, running this country. You know, there's there's no room for error. They shouldn't be running it.

And they know it. That's why they're holding on to that spot. No one should be. I think they would do a better job running it if they could exhibit human qualities and also be leaders at the same time. I agree. You know, but I think they're scared. I think everybody's scared. And I think when you're in a position where you're controlling.

Fear is the mind killer. Whoa. what mind mind control over giant groups of people you you barely can keep your shit together like who are you are you an alien are you from another fucking planet you're not are you yes you are bro you play that guitar i wonder no no you mean them take me to your leader. Remember Close Encounters? That's how they talk to people. We should play a song. Or not. I don't know.

Suzanne, we hit the perfect podcast. We're at critical mass. We can do whatever we want. If you guys want to play a song, we can play a song. But this podcast has been perfect. It's great. It's been flawless. The universe has called us forth.

Well, we could play the single on the way out. You know, we don't have to play a live song. We could play another variation. We could do everything.

I don't want to hotbox you, but it's too late. Hot and dumb, man. I think you can't hotbox the willing over here. I can't smoke and then play. I'll smoke after. Gary can't Hot and dumb, man. I think you can't hot box the willing over here. I can't smoke and then play. I'll smoke after. Gary can't.

Oh, my man. I'm already pretty intoxicated. Oh, man. You guys. You're such pros. You're weed pros. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not a pro.

There's real pros. There's real pros. You know, I'm not. Actually, Bronson, I had that motherfucker on this podcast. I took a picture. Wiz Khalifa, I took a picture of his ass straight, too. I'm like, what? I'm an amateur. I'm a baby. I'm a. Axe of Bronson. I had that motherfucker on this podcast. I took a picture. Wiz Khalifa. I took a picture of his ashtray, too. I'm like, what?

I'm an amateur. I'm a baby. I'm a little baby. Look at what Tommy Chong gave me. I'm a baby. I'm a baby. Shit goes deep. How long has that been there?

It's been there forever. It's a shrine. I'm not going to light this thing on fire. I love Tommy Chong. He's a legend. That will stay there. Jesus. I will love it as much or more.

I would light it if he asked me to if Tommy Chom sent me a direct message at pro I would really appreciate if you lit that on air I'd light it on air

out of respect because I used to listen to Big Bamboo when I was a little kid me and my friends we'd have headphones on over a fucking record player listen to Tommy Chong

and Cheech damn the fact I don't even know those guys it still weirds me out. I want to get away from them. This is too real. Like, how are you guys real?

I know you. Back in my acting days, I worked with, was it Cheech? He was on a show I worked on. Cheech used to be on that show with Don Johnson.

Remember that shit? Man. Remember that shit? I don't look it up. Don't Barracuda. You know how I know? I'll mess it up. Because of Barrracudas.

Plymouth barracudas discontinued 1974. Something like that. Cheech and Chong. Or Cheech, rather. Cheech Martin. Not Cheech and Chong. Chong was on it. God damn, we're fucked up.

But he was on a... What was it called? It was fucking Monday. Ash Bridges. Ash Bridges. It's Monday afternoon. No, it wasn't. it called? It was fucking Monday. Nash Bridges. Nash Bridges. It's Monday afternoon. No, it wasn't. Listen, you can suck my Monday.

It's not real. That's not real. Monday's not real. This is life. Yeah. This is life. Monday's not real. I'm not an accountant.

Listen. This is nonsense. I have to check back in from time to time just to make sure that, you know, I'm here. Because I could disappear, man. I don't care what time it is. I don't care what day it is. But sometimes it's nice to know so you can, you know, relate to something. Gary, you're here, and I'm so glad you're here.

My God. I'm glad you're here, too. There it is. There's Axel Bronson. That dude smoked one, two, three, four, five, six, seven blunts in the course of one podcast. He had one in his hand, I think. That's right. That's crazy.

He went hard. He just keeps going. I don't have the weed tolerance like I have the booze tolerance. How do you feel about spliffs in here? You love them. You do you, Gary. We have a machine. There's no rules here.

We have a fan. This room is set up for smokers. How do you, Gary. We have a machine. There's no roof here. We have a fan. This room is set up for smokers. Why do you feel bad? Dude's smoking a blunt over here. Jamie's going to turn the fan on. It'll suck all the air out of the room and connect us with Jesus. Look at that. It's a phone.

Wow. Yeah, we set it up. When we built this room, we had it set up for Dice Clay. Okay. Dice likes to smoke. Oh! So he would come in and smoke, and I would never want to tell him not to smoke. So I bought, because I'm just happy he's here.

So I bought him, I bought an air machine. Oh, my God. That would, like, process the air while he was there. Just for Andrew Dice Clay. Just for Andrew Dice Clay. That's amazing. And then Stan Hope used it, and I was like, perfect. All right, now we got one for smokers.

So fire up that spliff, kind sir. I mean. Do not be perfect. All right, now we got one for smokers. So fire up that spliff, kind sir. Do not be scared. All right. Young Jamie's impervious to all forms of intoxication. He's probably from another planet. How? If anyone visits us from afar and is like just down here to contribute, it's Jamie.

That fucking dude, he eats 1,000 milligrams of THC. No lie. What? And I'm like, how are you? He's like, I'm fine. That's insane. 1,250. 1,250. No lie. What? And I'm like, how are you? He's like, I'm fine. That's insane. 1,250. 1,250.

Excuse me. Pardon me. I have insulted our host from afar. Yeah. 1,250. I'm impressed. I'm very impressed. He's an alien.

And also inspired. Well, you know, like sheep can't eat certain grass and they'll die. They eat phalaris grass. They're fucking... DMT kills sheep. No, I did not know that. DMT. You can take it. It's a part of your brain. But if a sheep gets a hold of it, they're like... They just die. They eat phalaris grass. They're fucking DMT killed sheep. No, I did not know that. DMT. You can take it. It's a part of your brain.

But if a sheep gets a hold of it, they're like, they just die. Legs sticking up in the air, twitching. It turns out they ate a DMT rich, concentrated patch of grass. Oh my God.

Jesus. It fucking kills them dead in their tracks. Like farmers in certain areas would find these sheep legs up. No way. Yeah. The last time I smoked DMT, I was in the bathtub, and I was prepared to have a moment. And I got myself all situated, and I lit up.

And then I hear like, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. And I'm like, I get up, and I put a robe on, and I go to the front door, and my old landlord, Carlos, was like, Miss Susie, Miss Susie, the ceiling is leaking! And my bathtub was leaking. Oh, no. And I was— You didn't know? No, and I was very high.

Oh, no. And it was a terrifying experience. Oh, my God. it was a terrifying experience. Oh, my God. You're DMT high, so you're pixelated and shit? And P.S., though, it was kind of old, so I didn't get as, like... You didn't get a solid hit? No, but I got enough of a hit to be fucked up with my landlord knocking on my door when I was a little high on DMT. So, anyway, I haven't smoked it since.

I'd like to at some point. So anyway, I haven't smoked it since. I'd like to at some point. Call Duncan Trussell 24-7 in the hour of the day for incantations and wizardry. Wouldn't I call Joe Rogan? Shh. The government is listening. That's what I thought.

Do not say that over the air. This is going to be edited. Hold this. Hold this for later. They should get in on it, too. I'm with you guys. I want to protect everything. I think they are in on it. They should get in on it too. I'm with you guys. I want to protect everything. I think they are in on it. They should be. They should be. They're missing the point. It's like the drug users versus

fucking law enforcement. You guys should be on drugs. You want to do good law enforcement? I'll be on mushrooms. That's what we should have. Every cop on mushrooms. He'll know which kitty can hug. Don't shoot him. He'll know which kid he can hug. Don't shoot him.

Just hug him. Just run up and hug him. He'll know. He'll know. You'll feel it. You'll feel it in your soul. Like, that kid just needs a hug. He fucking doesn't know his dad.

You just run up on him. You know, that guy's dad's in prison right now. That guy's dad's a bank robber. He's a kid. He's a baby. I'm not mad at that a little bit. I'm with you. That's what I think. robber. He's a kid. He's a baby. I'm not mad at that a little bit. I'm with you. That's what I think.

All cops. See, Andrew Yang had a great idea. All cops should be purple belts in jiu-jitsu, which I agree with. I think it's a great idea. So you should have some understanding of how to defend yourself if someone tries to grab you and get your gun. I 100% agree with that. But also, why not be on mushrooms too?

Why are you playing games? Come on, man. You're out there life and death in the streets. You should be like fucking Dr. Manhattan. You're just levitating through the city trying to teach people the right way. Come on, we can all work together.

Agreed. We'll all be a part of love. Yeah, I think it's possible. I think we just need to adjust the chemicals that we have. Just like you've done with exercise and some people have done with medication or meditation and medication. Some people do with music. It adjusts the chemicals. and medication. Some people do with music. It adjusts the chemicals.

I think every way that we know of that's beneficial to adjust the chemicals, whether it's through yoga or meditation or love or music or comedy or anything you can find that puts you in a better place. We should embrace that.

Agreed. Mushrooms are one of those things. I agree. You shouldn't listen to ACD Highway to Hell all day long. ACDC Highway to Hell 24-7 is going to be a bummer, man. I mean, you might like the first two or three

plays. I wouldn't like that shit at all. I wouldn't like that shit at all. But every now and then, right? You know, it's like Billy Squire, Lonely is the Night. You don't want to hear it every day. But every now and then, when you're in a car, you know how you have that Bluetooth thing that happens

when your car synced up to Bluetooth? Does your car do that? Does it do the Bluetooth? Where, like, randomly it'll play a song. Yeah. So you hear, like, some cool... It's always Alt... No, alt no not alt j it goes to the a and yeah a lot of times itunes i told tommy segura that what there was one of his bits would

come up like one of the first things when i got in my car that's the one to play sorry well it's any but sometimes it's a random thing too like sometimes it doesn't do it alphabetically it just does it randomly and like you'll get like a cool song out of nowhere just plays when you start your car like oh that's a drug it's a little weird drug yeah yeah what you guys do is a little weird drug likewise all of us yeah yeah so are we drug dealers is that what you're saying? Yes, in a good way. We're like the proverbial drug dealers. I love when you, whenever you could use proverbial, I'm on your team. Yeah. We should be wearing robes.

Do you know what I watched the other day? Willie B from the Ghetto Boys had a, uh, Willie D from the Ghetto Boys had this, are you leaving? No. Gary, where are you going? Is that a room? Yes, sir, sir.

No, you've got to do what you've got to do. Willie D from the Ghetto Boys had this video that he put up of James Brown, like right after James Brown had gotten arrested for some craziness. But he was like on the air, apparently high as a kite. Yeah, sounds about right. They were asking about being arrested. He was like, living in America! Hey!

That's freedom. You have to see it. He's got these crazy glasses on. I mean, it's just glass and everything. Well, he didn't have gloves on. There he is. Oh, shit. Oh, look at him.

Can we play any of this or we get in trouble? Come on, look. We get in trouble, we play it. Pretty famous little clip. Yeah, it's a famous clip. Oh, look at him and his glasses. It's a 1988 James Brown's strangest interview ever. Have all the charges been dropped?

Yeah, I'm out of luck. Well, I'm out of luck. Look at that white lady over there. 59-year-old lady haircut. Wow, that's a real, can I speak to the manager haircut? It's amazing. God, look at him. Look at his glasses.

He's like, yep, got it. He put those glasses on like perfect. That's what I'm trying to say. Bitch, I'm not even in your dimension. Oh, my God. You know, my favorite James Brown video of all time is live in Zaire. Live in Zaire before Muhammad Ali and George Foreman fought. Wow.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. fought and yes yes yes and james brown comes out and performs live right before muhammad ali fucks up george foreman james brown bb king was on that dude crazy i mean the stash is going and you got a real what is it 74 or something is that what it said? 74. The world's a different place. James Brown live in Zaire just crushing it.

Just crushing it. And again, what the fuck was out there like James Brown before James Brown? Answer, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Not a fucking thing.

Not a thing. A human original. Just super eccentric powerhouse. Wait, what does GFOS mean? JB, James Brown. No, no, no. What the fuck? God, thank you, Gary.

Jesus, woman. I'm sorry. Jesus Christ, you're white. It's me. Cleveland in the house. G-F-O-S. That's the meanest thing you've ever said to me, Joe. Come on, look at his outfit.

Soothe yourself by looking at his outfit. I knew once I said it, I was like, you shouldn't have. Look at that fucking outfit. And here's the thing. Oh, my God. A dude like him, I mean, he's so goddamn talented, he could wear whatever he wanted. Yeah. He could wear some bullfighting cape, right?

James Brown could wear anything. Look at those pants. Look at those pants. He could wear anything. Today. Did you notice that the zipper was on the back? Oh, my God. It'd be over.

I thought about it. You can pull it off. A woman can pull it off far easier than a male. A male pulling that off is peacocking. You know what, though? Everything now has already been done for the most part. Oh, I don't know about that. I do.

I think, like, sexuality and individuality in a lot of ways have been exacerbated. And now the weird – I sound cynical. I think the thing now is being authentic. That's what's a rarity. I agree with you if that's what you are. But if you're some hypersexual James Brown motherfucker from another dimension, this is authentic. But those folks are rare. 4-0 before TRT.

No growth hormone. No vitamins to speak of. Stem cells. Yes. Dude, a lot of home cooking. And a lot of love. That dude's fueled by love, right? There's like maybe four people on earth as famous as he was in 1974.

There he is. Man. That's a weird moment in time, you know? It's special. I was watching a video of Elvis Presley singing Suspicious Minds, and I was like, that poor bastard never had a chance. Never had a chance. What do you mean?

What do you mean? This is what I mean. There was no one that famous before Elvis. It never happened. It wasn't real. And then all of a sudden, this young guy, out of nowhere, and all the signs are there. He marries his wife when she's 14.

Why is he doing that? Because he wants to reclaim his innocence. People call him a pedophile. Maybe, but there would be probably a bunch of instances of that. I think it was more likely this is a guy slinking, sliding away from reality with pills and fame and stardom. That's a good question. How old was he?

You know what's funny about that? What's funny about that was we would expect there would be a year where he should be able to keep it together. Because, like, I don't think he died that old. He looks pretty young there. How old was Elvis when he died? He was like 45 or something. Not that old. How old was he?

Young Jamie? Drum roll, please. Young Jamie. Second device here. Can I borrow an ashtray from you? Yes, sir. This one right here. Born in 35, died in 77.

So he's 42, yeah? 42. That ain't shit. Damn. That ain't shit. No, it's not. And it was, he was a new thing. There was a new thing.

The new thing was this fucking insane supernatural sex appeal star with tassels on his pants doing fake karate, throwing kicks, girls are going crazy, he's taking pills. Woo! He was kind of a sacrificial lamb, though, in a lot of ways.

Could you imagine? You're right, you're right. What the fuck? I couldn't. And then there was Michael Jackson who said, hold my beer. Also a sacrificial lamb.

But Michael Jackson said, hold my beer. You want to see crazy? How about I do what you do when I'm six how about that ABC and then you have to hold the weight of the world on your back of like the icon that you are

and the barriers that you've broken and then the you know the effect you've had on people and how much they rely upon you I can't fucking imagine I can't imagine either. Jamie, go back to Elvis doing those stretches. I'm cool with just coasting. By the way, I should say, when I say fake karate, some of his karate was fake,

but he was actually trained by Ed Parker, who was a noted Kenpo karate master. And back in the day, like in Elvis' day in 1970... This reminds me of the Lenny Kravitz pants rip. First of all, how dare you? What do you mean?

It's a great moment in history. Yeah, but he's a different thing. Yeah, but I know he was really kind of squatting there. Lenny Kravitz has got his shit together fully. Except for that time his pants ripped and his dick flopped out. That's just pants. Do you think it was planned? It's probably Janet Jackson's nipple.

Remember? Remember at the Super Bowl? Everybody remembers Nipplegate. Yes, Nipplegate. Nipplegate. Gary. Lenny Kravitz has some crazy farm in Brazil. He lives on a giant farm.

Does he really? Yeah. I don't know. I haven't talked to him lately. He rides horses. That's nice. Lenny Kravitz. I love horses.

There's a whole video online where you see him in his estate in Brazil riding horses over the mountain. That's Lenny Kravitz, bitch! Damn, he looks good. He looks so good. They sent him to South America. They said, you're going to have to go to Division I. You're fucking things up over here in Division II.

They sent you to South America. Bro, you need to go to Brazil You need to raise cattle and stare at the sunset Jesus Christ, man Slow down You handsome bastard You handsome smooth singing bastard He's beautiful He's amazing

yeah he's so fucking talented wow are you gonna go my way maybe dude he's so talented yeah

he's so talented have you seen a there's a film where he produces Mick Jagger's record whoa a record for Mick Jagger no way

there's a documentary on it oh wow it's incredible no shit how talented he is oh he is are you super you could tell just when we're at early 2000s I think what is that video you're showing Jamie cuz that's an amazing video because you can tell like what kind of a person he is by following him around this house where he talks about

like what these things in his house mean to him like what like little pieces of art things that someone left him think people you know things that have like real significant meaning to him he's talking about why and what they are cool oh that's the architectural digest oh okay yeah people try to be weird oh i'm gonna get a ranch in arizona you know i see your ranch in Arizona I raise you a ranch in Brazil suck my dick hold my beer hold my beer I'm going to another continent bitch

I'm gonna have my whole band stay over at my place whatever whatever living the dream level up there's levels to this shit that's funny what is this one Jamie Level up Yeah there's levels To this shit There's levels to this shit That's funny What is this one Jamie?

The song you made Mick Jagger Oh this is the song you did This is just the video This is not the documentary When you talk about Levels to this How is this dude

Still slinging Dick At how old is he? How old is Mick Jagger? What is Let's guess Let's be conservative And say 73.

Yeah, 76. Might be 76, right? Yeah. What do we got, Jamie? Here we go. Drum roll, please. 76. 76!

Here's the thing. 76! Per your... Come on, now. Live swimmers! Aubrey de Grey podcast, do you have a... I feel like these people are joyful. Yes.

I think that that's the anti-aging contingency is propagating joy. I think you're right. And I think with Mick Jagger, one of the big things is that Mick Jagger is, like, really, really into fitness. Like, he works out. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. He works out twice a day. He does yoga.

What an asshole. He does all kinds of shit. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. He's like, oh, I see what's up. Damn it. Like, you got to keep this fucking boat on the river.

You got to keep this boat on the river. And he gets after it. He's legendary. He does dancing and all kinds of other shit. Yoga. Dancing is everything. Dancing is everything. Dancing is a lot.

Look at him. Oh, bless his heart. So if you went to see Mick Jagger, you're like, oh, this motherfucker's got- That's some dancing in the streets move right there. You're like, he's got bad hips. He's going to stand still. No, this guy's fucking hustling. He realizes what he's doing is rare.

Do you guys dance? Do you dance? Who doesn't? I do. This is my thing. When I'm in my studio, I work all by myself, and I just dance crazy. Fuck, yeah, Gary. Absolutely. I'll bust it out someday.

Gary that is awesome. Why not man? You're dancing to your own sounds. Yes. That and other people's too. I love to dance. I love to dance too. I'm making my own steps. I dance at home alone often but I should

get out and make it. It's a form of exercise too. It's not just a physical exercise. It's a form of exercise, too. Sure. And it's not just a physical exercise. It's like a spiritual exercise in that you're enjoying yourself. That word spiritual is so poisoned by crystals and fucking horseshit. No, fuck that. This is a safe place.

But like- Thank you. I feel that. But like- Yeah. Freedom. Freedom. Absolutely. It's true.

It's true. Why should joy have boundaries? It shouldn't. It shouldn't. We're all scared. No, I'm not. I had this conversation with this friend of mine about Bernie Sanders. We were talking about socialism.

And he's like, I never thought you'd be into socialism. I go, I'm not into socialism. But what about fixing the things that are broken doesn't seem appealing to you? And we have socialism for a lot of different things, like the fire department, the police department. But I'm like,

that's not what I'm into. This is what I'm really into. I'm really into people having a big stake in community. And I think when you look out for other people, that's when you have the biggest stake in community. And I think that's one of the things we're missing today. We're missing, we can do it

in our neighborhoods, like we were talking about, you know your neighbors, it's really nice. But I think we can do it in an expansive way. As long as we didn't give in to the temptation to be shitty to people that we don't know and to treat everybody as if we're all a part of a community i think that can be done and i think the best way to sort of enhance that kind of thinking is to make decisions that are for the downtrodden make decisions that are for the working class and the people that are

struggling and the people that are just trying to put food on the table and keep a home heated. Let's concentrate on that first before anything because those are the hardest hardships. Yeah. And there's too many people that have this idea that everyone that's in that experience is there because they're lazy or because they don't work hard or because they really think that they do. So excuses. There's so ignorant. There's a lot of people that do think like that.

It is if they're ignorant. But it's also that they don't know. They haven't experienced what those people experience. This is the thing about every person alive. Look at a person. Look at a person who's doing great. Look at a person who's falling apart. You would be that person if you did what they did.

There's not much difference between those. Unless you're talking about physical things, like the difference between you seeing bolts, running speed, and the difference between mine. There's certain physical things that are insurmountable. I'm fucking positive thinking, bro. It's not happening. It's not happening.

There's certain things you can't get past. But there's a lot of things you can. And one of the problems that we all have is our perception the way we look at things if we could look at things as more like we're all cool, we're all together like nobody wants you to do bad

like let's all do good we can all do good together we can all go forward with that mindset there are some people that want you to do bad and those people also deserve attention they need a hug for all human hug we're for just they're just so scared we're treating them the wrong way yeah we're treating them like

we need to kill them and drown them they're they're not the bad guy it's like it's like the hurt people hurt people thing you know you you just you gotta exactly see those people and say hey i see you and i'm gonna hug you you, and let's all fucking move together. Yes. And then the problem is some of them are really legitimately broken. Yeah. Like, some people have done a terrible job of raising their kids to the point where they've broken their kids. And those kids need to find some way back to the garden. It's hard. And that's the reality of scale, the fact that there's 350 million people just in America.

I mean, is that the real number, million people just in America? I mean, is that the real number, or is that North America? Pretty close. That's fucking crazy. For us to try to put that into perspective is almost impossible. I don't think we even understand what that number means, and that we're all supposed to be a team. But I think it's possible.

I think we just have to look at it the right way. Like, you have to have no room for douchebaggery. No room for treating. That's impossible. But it's not impossible. I don't think it is. I think people just need a higher level of guidance and of understanding of the consequences of not behaving that way and the benefits of behaving that way. The problem is we look at it like it's a negative, like somehow or another it's a weakness.

The problem is we look at it like it's a negative, like somehow or another it's a weakness. If you show any sort of sympathy or compassion or try to have some understanding for people who are downtrodden or poor, people look at you like you're weak. Like, no, you're looking at it the wrong way. You're looking at – you feel uncomfortable about it because it makes you feel weird because there's too too many variables and it'd be better if you just nailed it down to a one or a zero. Either they're lazy or they're good, hard working people. If they're good, hard working people they figure it out. And if they're lazy, they don't. It's not binary.

That's the thing. There's so much more. There's too many of us. There's too many variables. The idea that no one should get help, that's so crazy. I was on welfare when I was a kid. It's important. It's important for people.

It keeps them fed. It gives people a chance. That doesn't mean that people are going to come steal your money. That means we should all chip in a little bit. We have to figure out how to make sure that the government has our confidence, that we feel like we can throw them our money, and they're going to do the right thing with it. And we're going to help communities. We're going to help people.

And that's what everybody's wary about for a good reason. It's because who the fuck knows who's taking your money. They don't give you an accountant sheet. They don't show you what they're spending it on. You just give it up. That's what I meant earlier when I was like, I don't know what's true. I don't know. It's true. I don't know. I know, it's hard. But at the same time, I think what you're saying is so powerful because you can have your sort of government affiliations and like, oh, these are the people that are quote unquote taking care of us.

And then you can also take care of yourself and each other and recognize your neighbors and recognize your community and kind of build from the ground up. Know who your local representatives are, are you know for fuck's sake like your kids in their schools and like all that stuff like that is a very powerful tool well and even i mean those are official titles and official designations and all that stuff is awesome too but it's also just know who the fuck is around you right and like and and and be nice to each other and figure it out together like we're all acting like everybody is not going to help you and everybody's not going to understand you and then when that gets fed to a scale of this impossible number of 350 million people 350 million people doesn't even make sense to us it's so hard for us to ever understand what it's like to try to like do what's best for 350 million people it doesn't make sense so you just do what's

best for yourself and you go it's going to work itself out it's going to sort itself out and if there's ever a conspiracy there's no action involved in that exactly and if there's ever a conspiracy to keep people stupid that that's the conspiracy. Make that seem like it's normal. Make that seem like everybody shouldn't go, hey, hey, hey, you really can affect things. And you really should pay attention to this. And we should all figure out a way to do it together where the whole motivation is to make life better for everybody. When you're really, really, really, really rich, let's say you're really, really, really, really, really rich.

What if you're just really, really, really, really? You're going to notice. Bitch, you ain't noticing shit. You're not going to notice. But you are contributing in a dynamic way to a system that helped you get really, really, really, really rich. way to a system that helped you get really, really, really, really rich. See, the balancing act is not wanting to get to a place where you

stifle people's need to do well because they need to have some sort of motivation. Some people do. You want them to have motivation, but you want them to feel good about contributing, too. That's what's up. It's not this idea that they're going to come steal your money. It's like, no,

you're going to help. You're going to help. We're not stealing any money. they're going to come steal your money. It's like, no, you're going to help. You're going to help. We're not stealing any money. You're going to help people that can't help themselves. There's people, you might have got lucky. You might have got a good parent and a good situation, a good neighborhood, good school. You did well. Some people don't.

Some people get fucked when they're really young. They get robbed. They get beaten up. They get tortured. They get scared. That's normal in life, too. And you can help them and this is what i think when you get lost in words like socialism and libertarianism and all these different fucking labels that carry all this weight behind them if we just say like

what's your intentions is your intentions to make the community a better place for everybody and make people happy and make sure people have food and make sure people are loved and make sure people are in a warm that's what we should do as a community that's what we should do all that other stuff is bullshit because if you don't have that you don't have anything

and you're going to feel really uncomfortable yeah that's the thing and these fucking labels whether it's liberal republican you fucking cuck, you goddamn hippie, all these different labels of people, it's so easy to dismiss people with these labels. And they have such an agenda. Right.

And it plays on that part of the human psyche that wants to be a part of a team and attack opposing ideas. And it becomes a fucking tribal thing. It's so hard to sort out what's right and what's wrong. But I think we're in a weird space where there's no one at the wheel. I think this is the first time there's no—the government doesn't have a hold of the wheel. There's no mystery. No, no. That's what's so scary.

It's all eroding before our eyes. But no one's at the helm. No one's got a hold of that goddamn battleship. You know, the parachips, they have those handles on the wheel. And, you know, strap yourself in and shit. No one's at that wheel. That thing is just going around. I'm going to go out on a limb here.

You said this earlier, and music and art and things that are cohesive in communal environments and helping people come together. In terms of feeling like, what can I contribute? Fuck, how can I help? Because this feels like an epidemic this this disbandment you know amongst us and all this fear everybody's so scared i'm scared you know i i am i'm not scared i go in and out of it i go in and out of bring us back in right i don't know my my fear is fleeting you know it it's things that are that feel a little superficial at times. But at the end of the day, like this, the love thing, the energy that, you know,

you could make fun of me. I don't give a fuck. You know, like the fact is like we all need it. You know, we all want it and we all deserve it. So what are you going to do with that? You know, like we can sit here and dissect politics and agendas and this guy and this guy and socialism, all this stuff. But we all need to feel that thing.

And it is love. Yeah. And it's very, very, very powerful. And it comes in many forms and has, you know, different hats. And I think that right now, like, like, I'm sure that you feel it at a show, right? When you play music for people, you know, I'm sure you feel it all the time, you know, with your podcast and with your shows, and with the outreach that you have. And, you know, and forgive me, I don't want to assume, you know, and I feel it in all the varying degrees of the shows that I play and things.

And like at the end of the day, this stuff like where we're at is a scary place. But there's like this thing. There's like kind of one thing. And it's it is the love thing. it is the love thing and that has like a bunch of different adjectives around it and verbs that are like recognizing each other and seeing each other and saying hey we're different but we're the same and we're we're okay like let's keep moving you know i the thing that saves me from all this like deep depths of fear is that like period there's really nothing else i have to say like because it's a weird world that we're living in but that's the thing that's it

it is a weird world and people can tip left or right or that's a bad analogy people can tip good or bad one way or another depending upon how you approach them. Sure. And this is the thing that a lot of us get wrong. You run into someone, they're a dick, you're a dick back, it turns into a fight. You're like, oh, that guy was a fucking dick. Yes. But sometimes when someone's a dick and you're not a dick, they stop being a dick. We literally talked about this at the beginning of the podcast.

That's right. That's right, we did. Where you diffuse a situation where um energy gets heated and somebody's angry or or you know um i don't know if i should retell the story but like you know you uh it's accountability too like you know when you mess up presumptions right right you go into conversations with presumptions of how this guy feels about you like this fucking guy thinks i'm an idiot i know well it's like a winner society it's like you have to be right but you know what it's oh it's fucking okay to be wrong I fucking made a mistake I'm so

sorry it's not just okay to be wrong it's a gift when you're wrong it's a gift because that humility that comes with being wrong is what really helps your education as a person yes agree as a as a a fucking girlfriend a boyfriend a lover a father a son you learn when you fuck up you learn you learn like god damn i was wrong like yeah that's a valuable lesson because it's a humiliating lesson well and you set yourself free too because there's a um there's some when you're hanging on to righteousness like this like you know inability to say that you were wrong, that is a fucking burden. It's not just a burden.

It's a foolish pursuit. Like you should relish every opportunity to apologize and say you're wrong as a showing of strength. Because if you think you're strong, you think you're strong and you know you're wrong and you don't tell the truth, well then you're a fool. You're missing out on an opportunity for you to be strong. For you to show that you're strong. To show that you made a mistake. I've made a lot of mistakes. I make them all the time. I'm a

fucking dummy. I do my best, but ultimately at the end of the day, there's a lot of dummy in me. And I do my best. But if I make a mistake, I will fucking own the shit out of that mistake. If you talk to me about it and you want to have a discussion about it, I'm not one of those people that... I don't think there's

any value in pretending you didn't make a mistake. I think there's a real... But that's societal misconception. But I think we're wrong about that. They don't know. The people that did it didn't understand. The rules that were written were written by people who really hadn't had a good grasp of the territory yet they didn't really understand what they were saying they should have taught people that in school they should have taught people like that in junior

high school high school for sure they should have said your your failures those feelings that you feel like they teach you about history and math and those things are great there's nothing wrong with that but they should have taught us about how your failures are a very valuable fuel. That feeling that you get when a girl dumps you or that feeling that you get when you crash your car or that feeling that you get when you fucking ruin something. You say something wrong when something comes out of your mouth. Anything you do wrong, you flunk out of a class.

Whatever the fuck it is, that negative feeling is a boost. It's supposed to take you into the next orbit. It's supposed to blast you into the next level of understanding what you were doing wrong and how to improve in your life and how to go forward with better habits. And if you don't experience that

pain, that feeling, that embarrassment, then you don't really know how valuable it is to stay on your grind. And people say it all the time and it resonates with people, you've got to stay on your grind. You're like, yes, yes. Why do you think that it's not okay to be human? Like, why do you think societally speaking, we can't just be like accountable and strong

at the same time? Well, we're just nervous. It's not that we can't just be accountable and strong at the same time. We're just nervous. It's not that we don't think... But systemically, that is since the beginning. Is that the monkey brain in us? That's like, you have to be the alpha, all that shit? I've thought about this forever.

It fucking boggles my mind. It's just because we're worried about people that are not pulling their weight when people are starving to death. It's an ancient we're worried about people that are not pulling their weight when people are starving to death It's an ancient ancient instinct when they're like if we barely had enough food to keep our babies alive and our friends alive And our parents alive barely had enough food and we saw someone slacking Holy shit Did you want to fucking kill them if you saw them someone that was sneaking food? That was taking too much food or you saw someone that wasn't putting in their work

And you were just slightly shy of being comfortable, and you knew this fucking lazy motherfucker, if they just did their work, we would all be fine. But they don't do what we do. They claim their foot hurt, or they claim their back hurts, and they go back to their cave, and everybody wants to kill them. That's what the fuck that's for. It's a resource balance relationship. That's like the sort of aggression against welfare. People that need it and people that don't, people that exploit it.

I get it. Exactly. Exactly. Well, what's called it's attaching ultimatums or ultimates rather. Like this is the ultimate truth to any sort of circumstance in a general sense. in a general sense. Like to pretend that you have a million fucking, let's pretend you have a city of X amount of people and you have a million people

that are on some sort of assistance, whether it's food stamps or welfare or whatever. To pretend they're all one thing is crazy. To pretend it's all one story is crazy. One set of circumstances, one set, that's nuts. That's nuts. The question should be like, look, there's no billionaires who sign up for food stamps right there's no millionaires that are trying to get welfare

money right so it's only when you're desperate so the question is like how do we engineer society so that even the most desperate people never hit that spot never hit a spot where they need assistance the most desperate people are always taken care of. They don't have to worry about it. And then what motivation is is just following your dreams, doing what you enjoy doing, whether it's a thing like playing music or writing books or whatever it is, whatever it is, finding that thing. But that that motivation for doing that thing should be above all,

above the idea that you have to survive by doing some shitty job to make a living, to pay for your bills and just rob you of your time and your resources. It should be like, hey, fuckface, recognize this. You don't have a lot of resources. Okay? Alright? Let's just pretend you don't

need a job. We're going to give you the money. You don't need a job. But understand this, motherfucker. You're giving a gift. You're giving a gift. You're giving a gift that Beethoven never had, Hendrix never had. Nobody had it. You got money enough to live. Now go.

But understand, if you're lucky, you live 80 years. Everything over there is like, tomorrow? Every time you sneeze, you're worried you're going to die? Yeah. We just have to look at the way we distribute money as being like we think about it right now as being this is the way we've always done it this way we're gonna do it but money didn't even exist right this shit is only this shit is really recent it doesn't mean we're doing it right we shouldn't have tents filled with homeless people that's

fucking gross we should have people shitting in the street in San Francisco. That's fucking gross. If you guys have to pay more money to make sure there's healthcare for a bunch of homeless people with mental illness that are shitting all over your streets, you should definitely spend that money. You're not going to fix it by a bunch of dudes with squeegees and fucking power

hoses out there. Where's that shit going? Are you scooping it up? I was just up there. It's you know you know what they do is they they give those people a little bit of money in a bus ticket to like Salt Lake City or something or Austin Texas or Austin do they do that yeah and then they drop them off and they say you got a motel for 30 days and then get him the fuck out and then make him somebody else oh fuck yeah and they make it somebody else's problem.

We tried to trace that, right? It's gross. In the podcast we found out there's been all over the country. They ship them to different places. Yeah, they had a huge thing in Orange County. There was almost like a mile-long tent city, and they got them out. I don't know where they sent them. You know what that's like?

It's like the human equivalent of throwing a cigarette out your window on the highway. Someone's going to figure it out. It's terrible. It's terrible. What are we going to we gonna do guys what the fuck are we gonna do Suzanne I think you figured out a lot of things you're selling yourself short amazing revelations during this show and they've all been documented shit yeah um but I think the more i mean it's gonna sound ridiculous but i think the more conversations people have like this we try to figure out what's going on yeah try to concentrate on what what do we need to do to make that i agree 100 i think that's real wake up and walk out of the house yeah understanding your what's your intention i think it goes back to

yeah that but i think what you were talking about with you know coming up levels and and different upbringings and this and that is it's a factor and so it's not that easy it's not that easy yeah well learn about people that are different from you you know i think that a lot of folks ignorance is is something to recover from. You know, if you don't know, if you're a religious type and you have an opinion about gay people, but you've never met a gay person in your life and what it's like to be gay and why, you know,

it's like you think it's a choice or whatever you think, you know, until you have, you can't really have an opinion until you actually sit across from somebody and look them in the eye and talk to them. You know, I think that's, that's where a lot of this, you know, discord comes in, in terms of we're all different and we are, but we're not, you know, I don't know how we, I don't want to go there, but we're there. What we're different about is the things that are superficial. Yes.

Thank you. Yeah. What we're not different about is what we are. We're human beings. Whether we have weird accents or styles or hobbies or musical. Colors, all that stuff. Yeah. Whatever we're interested in, whatever, whether it's the way we like to dress or the style

that we'd like to eat or the places we like to dress or the style that we like to eat or the places we like to live or all those things are interesting but what we really are that that core whatever the fuck you are at the center that's a human being yes that that's what's real that's what's real and when you love people and they love you and you love each other back you all recognize that that thing that human being thing is the same. It's the same. It's the same in your children. It's the same in your mother.

It's the same in your neighbor. It's the same in everybody. Yeah. It's the same. It's love. It's like us. And we don't, you know, the only time that people lash out is when someone lashed out against them and it all gets terrible and cockeyed and twisted. But we are is the same.

We're all the same going through this weird, strange existence. It's almost like some crazy game that's being played out. Simulation. No one knows why. Even if it's not a simulation, it is. This is what people need to understand. Even if it's not, it still is. Even if it's not, even if this is real, it's still a simulation.

You were a fucking nothing 14 billion years ago. Even if it's not, it still is. Even if it's not. Even if this is real, it's still a simulation. You were a fucking nothing 14 billion years ago. You were a part of a head of a pin. And you exploded. And the only reason why you're. Are we going Big Bang? Yes. The only reason why your body, your fucking human body even exists.

Because a sun exploded. Nuclear rubble. Yes, we are. I know. Nuclear rubble. Yes, we are. I know. Nuclear rubble. I think that we are. Who had that song? We are stardust.

Moby. No, is it Moby? Fuck you. And we got to get ourselves back to the gods. So off, Suze. What is it? Joni Mitchell. No, there was someone before Joni Mitchell. We were all stars. I was off, Suze. What is it? Joni Mitchell. No, there was someone before Joni Mitchell.

I thought for sure we were all stars. I was like, Moby. We are stardust. Crosby. Crosby stills. Yes, Crosby stills and Nash. That hurt my own feelings. We are stardust. We are.

I hurt myself. We are million year old carbon. And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden. You started with the whole stuff. But, dude. But, in all fairness, I started it because I called you bitch like three times. Safe place. Safe place.

Safe place. Only you can call me that. No one else. All right? Mark my words. We're friends. We're friends. It's all with love.

I got to say, I was like, okay. You were the first one? I'm telling you the only one no one else we've been friends for so long no one else she talks shit to me too though

don't get wrong what do I say? whatever you can nice oh man guys this is great it's been an awesome time this is great yeah it's about an awesome time. This is great.

Yeah, it's about as good as a podcast can get. Do you guys want to do one more song and wrap this bitch up and bring it to Valhalla? Well, should we... Oh my God. It's almost five o'clock. Is it really? Yes. Let's play the track.

This is a more than four and a half hour podcast. Is that correct, Jamie? This is a record. Four hours right now. Oh, that's right. You guys warmed up a bunch. You've done this long before. It doesn't matter.

We're all good. Kevin Smith has the record, right? Does he have the record? That I don't know. I wasn't with you guys then. My friend Justin Collett, we did two podcasts. You and Bert did a five and a half hour one when I first got here. That's right.

That might have been fueled by some. I love Bert. I've never met him, but I love him. Fueled by some Tito's. You want to meet him? I would love to set that up. Yeah, please. 100%. Big fan. That's the machine. You want to meet the machine? Of course.

Who doesn't, bro? Bert Kreischer, I'm hooking you up with wisdom. Please. Greatness. God bless it. Okay, so you know, Gary played on this song. Itness. God bless it. Okay. So, you know, Gary played on this song. It's called Fall For That. Okay.

Sounds like this. Yeah. It's going to come out to Spotify, all that stuff, in April. In April, the full album? No, no. Just this song. When's the full album? Not sure.

Oh, shit. Depends on how much... It's a mystery. I can get it together. You'll come here when it comes out? Please. 100%. All right. Derek Clark Jr.

Suzanne Santo. Peace and love to you all. We did it. Yeah. Bye. Bye. We're out. Bye Bye And I won't fall for that Stay like you mean it, son Make me believe I'm the only one

When you put yourself right up against my back You talk too damn loud and too damn fast And I won't fall for that I won't fall for that Stomping your thoughts, making us quake Making our heads roll every minute's weight I'm in that creek, filling up these bags With your bad news raining down on me I'm waiting down all day. guitar solo I don't want to hear you yelling

Trying to bring me to my knees With that coat you're selling Let you hold my hand just out of my grasp Living in your hellfire on my back No hope for that No hope for that guitar solo Thank you.