The Joe Rogan Experience - #1444 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: March 19, 2020

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comedian, and host of his own podcast “The Duncan Trussell Family Hour” available on Spotify. Look for his new show "The Midnight Gospel" which starts streaming April 20 on Netflix.

Oh, this smells good. Demons, be gone. Be gone, demons. Be gone. Leave this studio. Leave this planet. Leave our universe. Leave.

This is legit sage from a Native American woman. Wow. So we're purifying this room. Wonderful. Oh, oh, my neighbor may oh,

my neighbor may please God bless this room. And Odin too, just in case they were wrong. They abandoned Odin. He was around first, you know? You got to think of all the gods that everybody believed in,

and they're like, I'm not so sure about Thor. Yeah. And then they let him go. What if Thor was legit, right? And he's still out there just like somebody who just fell out of fame as a god. Yeah. He's like, don't you fuckers see the lightning? Yeah.

That's me throwing bolts. He's like one of those guys and you go to Vegas and you see one of those billboards for a strange casino You're like, oh that guy. Yeah Tony Orlando and dawn I Remember them doors at the Mirage Was doing a residency you motherfers, check out the thunder. That's actually caused by atmospheric conditions. No, you fucks. Thor's on cameo.

I make that. Can you imagine? Someone had a really good point about that. Some atheist was arguing against religions. It might have been Sam Harris probably Sam Harris it might have been Richard Dawkins but he basically said there's 99 different gods that people who believe in the Christian God don't believe it and he goes atheists just take it one step further they just get rid of the last. One got away.

That's what he was saying. That's cool. Yeah. I get confused with being an atheist all the time. I do not believe I'm an atheist. I believe I'm open to everything person. I don't believe stories about people coming back from the dead because they're written by people, right? Yeah mean that's right and also they're supposed to function on more than the

surface level they're supposed to be a kind of fractal that has inside of it a lot of like symbols related to just human existence yes not they're not meant to be so much like taken literally that's where that's when you embarrass yourself on either side exactly Exactly. On either side. That's a really good point. The translations apparently are so difficult to do. Especially Old Testament. When they translated the Old Testament, think of all the different languages

it had to go through. It was Latin and Greek and German and English and all these different languages that are so different. Have you ever used the translate button? I follow a lot of Russian fighters, and their Instagram feed, they write in Russian. And I'm always like, oh, translate. It's a really cool feature.

But you can tell it's not exactly what they meant because it's all fucked up because their language is different. Like, the way they structure sentences is different. So English doesn't just plug and play right you know it's like sticking a USB 3 into a USB a like yeah hey this doesn't really fit all right now add time Oh add thousands of years and scrolls and like things who wanted things changed yeah the King James Version right it's the best that's my favorite one to read on acid. That's the one King James book of John,

baby hit that on acid. It's so wonderful. It's so trippy because it's like, that's when I really like Christianity clicked for me, regardless of it's whether it's real or not. But that's when I was like, Oh, okay.

I get this because the book of John, when you read it you're like well someone wrote it i don't know who wrote it and whoever fucking wrote this their mind was blown man like this wasn't written by someone who was just like a normal person this is a person who was freaking out in the most intense way and so me, that's what I love about it is it's like something about the how old it is and the distortions, the historical distortions, the warping of it produce this kind of awesome glitched out mosaic of if nothing else, human consciousness 5,000 years ago, where our minds were, that's trippy by itself, regardless of whether or not a person who could like graze the dead and walk on water was walking about.

Just holy shit. Here's how people thought back then. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I mean, all the stuff that you can't prove or you don't know, that's interesting. It's weird. It's weird where those stories came from and why they're so universal.

Like someone has to. Everyone has like a creator. Everyone has like a main dude that did the thing. And, you know, there's some other people that have like large groups of gods. Like the Greeks had gods for everything. A lot of Native Americans had gods for everything. Sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Animism. I've talked to people who make, who produce electronic music. And some of them say that the computers have a life in them, a sentience, a spirit inside their computer. So there's a collaboration happening that isn't one-sided when they're making stuff. It's like working with like the spirit within the machine, which is pretty trippy, man.

But this is based on input or the way they react when they're putting in the input to the thing? They think the thing is responding to them? Yeah. Yeah, they think that it's alive. It's standard keyboards or it's just electronic stuff? I know someone who makes visual art on their computer, their laptop. Do you have an Alexa? You probably don't.

Do you have an alexa you probably don't do you know an echo like sometimes i'll realize the way i'm talking to that thing is like really impolite you know like next song next song it's kind of fun yeah it's fun to yell at robots yeah it's someone yeah it is funny oh robots you know it's really funny i made fun of this but there is a point to this pita had a statement that they put out a while back because these dudes from boston dynamics were kicking the fuck out of these robots they're trying to figure out they're trying to figure out how to get these robots to fall over and they're trying they're making they're making these insanely durable robots like this if you take scientists and engineers and you say hey i want you guys here's

a shit ton of money i want you guys to make the dopest robots you can make. They're going to make robots you can kick. And it's not a living thing. But PETA released some statement saying they didn't think it's cool to kick robots. What? That's not real. That's got to be fake. No, it's real.

It's real. It's real. What? Yes. I think the statement I'm paraphrasing was something to the effect of there's other things that are more important, but it's still not cool to kick robots. Jesus Christ. That's a tattoo right there, man. It just shows you what will happen when robots become alive because those fucking traitors, those people that think that robots are alive and that they're us.

Yeah. Those emotionless things that have no place in our world with power. They're supposed to be things that we control. Yeah. As soon as you let them control themselves and you try to pretend they're a person, this is going to wipe it out. Yeah, man. Can you imagine? I'm not going to try to kick one of those fucking DARPA bots.

Those things are terrifying. They would have a record of it. They would always remember that this one kicks robots. It's in the cloud. Yeah, and then they'll show it to you one day when some super sophisticated genius god robot sits you down on a couch and shows you you kicking these unbeknownst to you sentient robots. Yeah. They were just trying to fucking figure out, what am I? What am I?

They were like little babies and you're kicking them. So the robots are very, very upset at you in the future. They might just reanimate your ass and just show you over and over that clip of you kicking the fucking robot. Yes, yes. Did you see what Trump tweeted? No. He tweeted and deleted.

It's fucking hilarious. He said, checks are coming to everyone in America except the people who used hashtag not my president. I wouldn't want to offend you with a check from someone that's not your president something to that effect see if you can find that and then it would hashtag MAGA

afterwards I mean he just dunked on them the president dunks on people I want to know who the tweet the leader is well someone in his department was probably like Mr. Trump that's not a good idea. They have a siren that goes off? You gotta delete that.

I know the president can delete tweets. How much is he gonna send? I think they wanted to give like $1,000 a month or something like that to Americans. Is that the idea, Jamie? It's hurt lots of things. I don't know. Up to $2,000? I don't know if Bernie's saying they should give

$2,000 a month. It's got to be $2,000. If you give everybody $2,000 a month, it's a good thing. But everyone's going to go, hey, you could have done this the whole time. That's right. Wait a minute. If you just raise taxes, can you just give people money? Can you just give people more money?

I'm not saying we should do this, but imagine if that was the solution to all this. If you just give people more money? I'm not saying we should do this, but imagine if that was the solution to all this. If you just give people more money, everything just sort of levels out and relaxes. Crime drops, everything drops, drug abuse drops. Well, I mean, they've got to know that when people don't have work, they don't have money, with no money they can't support their family, that's when the riots start. Yes. People get desperate. They don't have money with no money. They can't support their family. That's when the riots start. Yes, that's a good desk catch on fire They know that so the it's like a bribe to try to keep people from rioting until

whatever the fuck or You could look at it that way or it's giving people a different environment to exist in one that doesn't leave them hostile So instead of looking at it like a bribe, look at it like, you know what? I see what a lot of your problem is. You're not asking for affluence. You could barely get by. But if it was easy to get by, if you could just get by, and then you could pursue other things, would that be better for society?

And that was like what Andrew Yang was suggesting if this whole automation revolution took place and everything started getting automated and no one had a job anymore There might be something to that there might be something that now even you know the question is like what are what are you happy? Your your taxes get used for you know you it's almost like you should be able to vote on that like the one thing that we don't get real Direction on right like in terms of like what the country actually wants, but if we could all just Like the one thing that we don't get real direction on, right? Like in terms of like what the country actually wants.

But if we could all just individually vote on things like that, like where's my taxes go? I want my taxes to go 100% to education. Right. I want to make that cut. And, you know, you guys got to figure out what to do with the rest of the money. But if you did that. My money, I want it to go towards education. But then nobody or the people who would be paying for war and prisons and shit

would just be like BDSM people. How about the salaries? How about the salaries of politicians? How about the money that they make doing tours and all that kind of shit? Private jets. All that shit. It's crazy. Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

Also like the loose connection between the state and corporations and the shit it's crazy yeah it's fucking crazy also like the loose connection between the state and corporations and the way it's just all kind of merging together right now and also you know it appears to be kind of the apocalypse at the moment like well it's it's if it's not the apocalypse i don't think it's the apocalypse i think it's just a dangerous dangerous illness but it's definitely a dress rehearsal it's a dress rehearsal for fucking people are going to become preppers it is going to be amazing for the toilet paper industry they're going to they're going to experience a banner year if you got toilet paper stock you're riding high right now do you remember the i don't know if you if you had this experience but like i can

remember sitting at my computer and pressing the button on Amazon where I wanted to buy something. And it's like, this isn't available right now. In that moment of like, what, it's my button that brings me things. It didn't like suddenly just realize like, oh my fucking God, how completely weak have I become that I got accustomed to pressing this button and

people would bring groceries to my house. Yeah. And now they don't. Now it's like stopped. Not only that, I'm so accustomed to like, well, you know, I'll just go to the grocery store and pick up some food. It's always been there. It's not there.

Dude, I had an Instacart delivery today, you know, because we wanted to get stock up on food. Oh, $200 worth of food. Guess what I got? Strawberries, hummus, and I think we got like, I don't know, some like eggs. That's it. Out of the whole order order everything else was sold out all the beef gone all the chicken gone nothing's there it's like the the shelves are empty so it's like okay send everybody two thousand dollars a month but what are they gonna buy if there's like no food on the shelves like what i think that was a temporary freak out where people stockpiled stuff and i think as long as food keeps getting delivered on a normal schedule i think that'll normal out i hope so yeah i do i

think that'll normal out but it just shows you there's so many things in our society that are amazing like grocery stores like cell phones like we can call each other all this but those things are so fragile yeah they're like they're they're so vulnerable like if if an emergency happens and everyone wants to call it once the cell phone system can't handle it yeah like it's not like you have a phone and you can call anytime you want and i have a phone i can call anytime i want and everyone in the world has a phone they can call anytime they want no if everybody does that the system is not set up to handle that. That's right. If everybody does that,

like, ahhh! Like, that's why, if there's an earthquake or a tsunami, everyone's fucked. It's so hard

to make phone calls. Yeah. It's not gonna get through. Yeah. Well, dude, I just heard on NPR that so many people

were requesting unemployment that it's crashed systems in several states. That's because this is the real problem. One of my friends was saying he's like, you know, a lot of people are running out of money tomorrow. They're bartenders. Anyone in the service industry, all the people who work at the comedy store. It's not like I mean, how many of them had a lot of money like stored up? None of them.

So what what happens now when there's no food on the shelves yeah we got to help them where we um i've been a text message thread with uh whitney cummings and nick swartz and then chris talia and we're talking about that very thing right now like how to do it and how to set up a fund it needs to be done for sure um you know people that can help should help this is is not a normal time. This is not a time where people are lazy. This is a time where the whole world got fucked real quick. Yeah. We weren't ready for it. And we're going to have to come together. But this is a good time for

people to recognize the importance of community. It's a terrible time for humanity. It's a terrible time for us and terrible time for the people that are sick. But it's a really good time for us to understand why community is important. We live in this illusionary world that's provided to us by the culture that we've created where you can just buy things anytime you want. You don't need people. You come home. You watch Netflix. You don't engage with anyone. You get in your car.

You barely say hi to anybody at work. We're detached from each other. And this is the only time ever in life we've been detached from each other and we're being detached by these goddamn electronics yeah they're sneaking up on us yeah electronics and cars which is also you know it's it's also a creation a mechanical creation and now more than ever they're driving computers yeah man it's true what I'm trying to say is Ted Kaczynski was right oh my, my God. We all know that. He was right.

Did you ever read his manifesto? No. I'm scared it's catchy. Yeah, man. It's so funny. I went through a period of, like, doing ketamine and, like, trying to watch the worst thing. Like, Charles Manson, Kaczynski. And, yeah, it is, you know, it is a little bit little bit like kind of interestingly not that off but then the tone is so imperial or something when you're reading it there's like this it's a manifesto that's how you have to write it you know but the one thing uh my wife is part of like

something like it's called a mommy group so it's like a connection of online of all these mommies and on like all over LA and what they do is they post people will post shit they need so like one of the moms just had a kid they don't have any wet wipes and so then all the other moms look like oh we've got wet wipes and then right now they're just leaving them on the door so people come and get them so it's like I think the community thing is exactly right yeah also people have to maybe transcend Oh, that's so very nice. There was someone who set up a toilet paper exchange in L.A. where he was just like, if you have extra toilet paper, bring it. And then he had toilet paper and he was just giving it out to people who were – I think that's the sort of thing we're going to have to start doing if we can. It's like right now there's old people who – they can't do shit, man. They can't do anything.

They're terrified. They can't even get online. If you know them, you got to help them. And this is a weird time for us, but it's a time for us to reset. It's not good. I'm not saying it's good, but I'm saying we can get a positive out of this. The people that make it through, we can get a positive out of this. And the positive is community is important.

It's really important. And it seemed like it's really important and it seemed like it wasn't important because it seemed like we had everything set up so you didn't have to engage with people it's not the right way to do it it's not good for anybody no no that kind of life is not good and the detachment that we have i mean that's why why do you think people have road rage on the highway you know when they're locked in their little box separated from people in a way that they but they wouldn't have it in person yeah it was just i mean it's only a thin piece of metal and glass separating you from these people yeah there's not with that there's the other added factor of the

heightened senses because you're driving fast you realize you might have to make quick movements so dumb things people do are elevated they're even more dumb yeah but it's also that you're detached you're you're in these boxes right it's like a weird dream we've done weird shit to each other yeah because of that we're all gummed up in that way it's like something it's like it's like a fungus that grew on the circuitry of society and started or it's like you know when they talk about the uh dolphins and the whales being fucked up by the high-tech sonar they're using and washing up on the beach because the sonar is messing up their ability to communicate with each other, it's like there's this kind of technological sonar that has completely made us

disconnected from the earth, essentially. Like our earth connection has been replaced by a technological connection. Now, technology comes from the earth, but we're talking about essentially like our earth connection has been replaced by a technological connection now technology comes from the earth but we're talking about a secondary thing can compared to you know your feet touching the ground you know being around another human and like recognizing them as having exactly the same thing you have which is they want to be happy you know is feeling the connection between people when you're with someone. I mean, I don't know if you've ever done that, but just like the next time you're around anybody that you're like buying shit from, or that, you know, normally just kind of go

by, feel that connect. You can feel it. There's an energetic connection that you can feel there. That's easy to overlook. Yeah. We, we've lost the biggest biggest one which is through light pollution i think every night people were humbled and reminded of the majesty of the universe when they looked up and saw the infinite skies on a clear night yeah the infinite star is just the whole milky way you could see the whole thing yeah you know and there's parts of the country where there's plenty of darkness and you could literally see the whole milky way and it makes you think like oh our ancestors saw this fucking freaky shit all the time we decided to shut off the greatest art the world has ever known because we want to be able to

see better at night yeah the greatest art an art that literally not not just has inspired science and wonder and fueled it, right, but also has kind of always put people in place. Always just understand this is not a backdrop. It's not a tapestry. The up there is madness. It's forever. And you're not protected. There's just a thin layer of gas between you and the universe, which is infinite.

You're this tiny little speck of nothingness in this impossible to understand spance of planets and stars that just goes on forever, literally forever. And we're one little tiny piece of it. And we're being held here with a spin and some air and there's a giant fucking fireball in the sky that keeps us alive and it's a million times bigger than the earth

and it's right there and this is the reality that we live in it is almost too crazy to put in your consciousness on a daily basis so we forget about it all the time. It's one of the most important things about our existence here is that we're a part of the universe. Yeah. It's not just that we're in, you know, fucking Sherman Oaks or we're hanging out in Montana.

No, we're right there connected in the universe. And it doesn't get brought up. And one of the reasons is because we don't see it we don't fucking freak out if you go to the country camping you fucking freak out you're like wow you see the stars like this is fucking nuts man you can see them all it's it's a reset button it changes how you feel about life yeah yeah well also seems like a lot of us have forgotten that we're gonna die on top of all that i mean yeah not only are you like looking up at this void filled with stars but the thing you are is temporary and that to me is you know the other day i'm like just washing dishes during this

fucking pandemic and i'm thinking to myself man i feel so lucky to be washing dishes right now i'm alive i'm healthy this is fucking it was a different kind of washing dishes than a week ago when i was able to or two weeks or before this shit started when i could order anything i fucking wanted off the internet it suddenly i'm in a different world. Like this is a world where, well, we got to wash these dishes because man, if I get like, if bugs come, I don't know if I want to call an exterminator right now. I don't know how many people I want in my house right now. I don't know what this shit is. So it's like suddenly these are, what you're experiencing is this kind of like, well, what does it say in the Bible that we both love so much? Fear of the Lord

is the beginning of wisdom. And I think you could easily translate that to understanding your place in the universe should produce a kind of positive fear and trembling. Not like you're anxious or terrified, but just a kind of like whoa this doesn't last nothing about this last and right now everyone around the planet is getting a firsthand glimpse of that very truth right yeah all at once one big dose one big dose of it all at once one big dose for people to recognize how much of what they concentrate on a daily basis, how much of what fills their consciousness is shit. It's utter nonsense. And we got tricked.

We got tricked into thinking it would go on forever, and now we know it's not going to. Now we know, hey, look, this is a terrible thing, but relatively speaking, compared to super volcano, asteroid impact, compared to something, solar flare, something really crazy that can happen and blow out all the power, which is 100% a possibility. Solar flares are 100% a possibility. And for people to not recognize that and just go through their life, it's just because we look at life as if what we've experienced while we're alive is the norm, but it's not. It's not the norm. It's just hard for you to recognize that your life is so short. Your life is so short that when they're measuring all the different catastrophes that have happened over the earth, whether it's proven sites of

asteroid impacts or proven sites of volcano eruptions or all these different things that have happened for sure and wiped out millions of people all over the world they happen over a time span that's too big our head doesn't get in there our head doesn't go what what is 13 13 thousand years is just some scratches on some paper in my head my stupid head I don't know what 13,000 years is just some scratches on some paper in my head, my stupid head. I don't know what 13,000 years means. I can't. I can't do it.

But 13,000 years ago, they think, and there's more and more evidence every day, that there was some big impact on Earth. Yeah. And who fucking knows how many of those humans have gone through? Who knows? I think scientists believe, what is it? It's like 300,000 plus years we've been this, right? Is that the idea? Homo sapien?

Something like that, yeah. Something like that, right? Bro, that ain't shit. Right. That's so short. That's so short just in the time that the Earth has been here, in the 4 point whatever billion years the Earth has been here. And that's so short in terms of the almost 14 billion years the known universe has been here all of its madness Every single step along the way is madness

But we get stuck in these little time periods where nothing changes and so we think that this is life So we've built all these houses that only can work on electricity How many fucking people have a real fireplace in their house that live in cold places? They're banning those now. So if they're banning fireplaces because they don't want to start fires, that's great as long as you can ensure the gas and the power is going to

stay on and I don't think you can do that. We just think you can because you've done it for a hundred years. That's right. That's the thing. A hundred years is shit. A hundred years, the industrial revolution's the thing a hundred years is shit a hundred years the industrial revolution the roaring 20s from from then to today let's go 150 let's get crazy that ain't shit yeah that ain't shit to say this is how things are every day is so dumb it's especially to say with in terms of the earth natural disasters, space anomalies, not even anomalies, things that happen, like solar flares.

They happen all the time, man. Yeah, man. Well, I mean, and shit we don't even know. That's the other thing. We don't know all the data in the universe. We don't know that there isn't something called like a quadrisian ripple that happens every 16 million years. Call Sean Carroll right now. It's a ripple. I need information. Do you know, 16 million years. Call Sean Carroll right now.

It's a ripple. I need information. Do you know that poem, Ozymandias? Ozymandias? Yeah. It's by Shelley, I think. I don't have it memorized, but basically it's like the poem is about someone who sees the broken legs of a statue in the desert. of a statue in the desert and written on a plaque is my name is ozzy mandius ruler of rulers king of kings behold my works he mighty and despair all because he's just a broken legs it's like all you motherfuckers who think you have power who think you have all this control

it's like we don't like i guarantee of course like in ancient Egypt, there was probably, I'm not talking about the pharaoh. But there's at least like a thousand dudes who are like, I'm like the hot shit in Egypt. And they're going to remember me for a long time. It's like, we don't know who you are. It's all gone, eradicated, wiped out. it wiped out and this to me is like one of the really side effects of this thing this technology thing is we've all become completely self-obsessed self-absorbed putting our images out there making sure that our profiles are updated making you know what i mean like we have this insane idea of like we're so deeply rooted in our identity instead of in the connections between our

identities that we're all the only way that we can finally see how connected we are is some motherfucker eats a bat you know what I mean it's really crazy man think of this If technology really did have an effect on the programming of human beings, and if human beings interacting with technology think we're innocently interacting with a non-sentient thing. But all the while, this technology, and you could call, we get confused and we think that technology is like a digital clock or a television or a computer. It is, but it's also like a fish hook. It's innovation. Someone had to figure that out. And imagine creating an ape that is aware of its environment.

This is really the perfect storm. of its environment, like this is really the perfect storm. Aware of its environment, but obsessed with itself. Knows in the back of its head that it's temporary. That it's got a finite lifespan, but lives like it's gonna live forever, and lives in the moment, lives in the moment. And wants to acquire things. Like it seems the number one goal for the uber-wealthy

or the uber-successful, the Jeff Bezos-type characters, right, who are on top of the food chain financially, they want to acquire things. They're always acquiring things, which means people have to make things, which means they're a big consumer as well as someone who's making a shit ton of money. Right. And this also fuels innovation

because you got to keep up with these people. You got to keep giving them bigger and better things every year. So it, all this, all these resources go into innovation of technology. It's the thing that progresses quicker than anything. Right. Look at cell phones. Every year I need a 150 megapixel camera or you're a phones every year. I need a hundred and fifty megapixel camera

Or you're a loser. Yeah, you're a loser Yeah, you know these fucking Samsung phones that are like seven inch screens now everyone's going crazy, right? But what is the goal though the goal is to make better shit and the goal along the way of like this goal is It's working But you know be even better if we've made it so they don't touch each other anymore If we maybe if we could come up with a disease where they can't shake hands, they don't come close. And yeah, just keep them a little further apart from each other. It'll make them more interested in the things, more interested in the technology,

more separate from each other and encourage technology that connects them with each other. technology that connects them with each other so through technology they'll they'll find this human longing for contact that they're missing in their life they're gonna get an emulated version of it but that emulated version of it is gonna keep getting better and it's gonna keep getting better and it's gonna get to a point where it's better than real life way better than real life because you're like Jumanji you get to be the rock you know you get to be like a superhero like in you could to be like a superhero. Like you could live a magical life with no boundaries of physics.

And they're going to do that. People are going to do that. They're going to give in. If I was a life form that was trying to haunt another life form and trick it into giving birth to me, I would create a person. I'd create people. We're like some fucking ant. We're like some ant that's manufacturing our successors. That's what would create a person I'd create people we put like some fucking ant we're like some ant that's Manufacturing our successors. Yeah, that's what we are. Yeah, and we don't even know what we're doing Just showing up every day. Look at my fucking watches. I got all these diamonds changing

Yeah, like playing bitches. My house is bigger than the rocks the rocks house is this big my house That's that's what people are doing that's what we're doing. We're just buying more shit. And one good thing of something like this, anytime a tragedy happens, people bond together afterwards. It's a terrible thing that it happened. But for the victims and the family members of the victims, we all know this. But it can be a good reset for us. Economically, people are going be a good reset for us. Economically, people are going to have to get through it.

That's going to be the most difficult part. But I think there's going to be an opportunity for us to just assume a nicer stance towards our neighbors and towards our friends and towards our community. And instead of embracing this idea like you better get guns because they're coming maybe we can all come together i think people need to find if that's going to happen then we've got to find a better metric for whether things are right or wrong yeah than the news yes we need something to retune ourselves like we're right now we're tuning the guitar of our identities to these to like the most terrifying shit which is the news or like what people are saying and so if that's if i think many people become so accustomed to getting their idea of what's happening in reality from the tv instead of from like how they feel inside what's going on with their friends and their family

That puts people at an incredible disadvantage yes their pond is being rippled by shit You know I was thinking it's like um What are those little not prairie dogs those they stand and look around at the Hawks? You know I'm talking about what are those things called they, they're social little marmots or something like that. Oh, okay. There was a show like Lemur Palace. I don't remember what they're called. Something.

But they're like, they're like. They're really cute. I see them at the zoo. They're fucking adorable. They're one of the most adorable animals ever. They stand and look. Somehow they ignore all the humans around them and just look in the sky for a hawk. It's kind of sad, but.

That's their life though. But imagine if that one looking for the hawk had like the internet and could see hawks thousands of miles away how anxious all of them would be because he would always be like get underground get underground get underground so you know i think this this is what has happened is that we're all constantly being told i mean I remember when I was growing up in the old days when the news had an alert. That was serious. Some serious shit went down. You would be, what the fuck? Fox News or any of the news stations, they have an alert like every four minutes now.

Duh-duh-duh-duh-dum. Alert. Duh-duh-duh-duh-dum. Alert. And it's all telling us just what you're saying. Get underground. Go inside. Go inside. Danger out go inside danger out here

danger out here and so we're all like even before this shit we were huddled up a little bit now we can rationalize the huddling you know and that's what we're doing we're just huddling inside right now that's an incredibly vulnerable place to be i mean i'm not going to get conspiratorial here but if i was the artificial intelligence and i was about to hit the switch and become sentient, I would want to remove the threat of human beings as much as possible before I hit the switch. Put them in. And this is the best way. Make them sick.

I'm about to give birth. Make them get sick, confuse them, keep them poor, and then boom, it comes out of nowhere. And then what? Then they just start eating us because we're fuel. They're not going to eat us. Do you know who came up with that? Do you know that was a DARPA project? What?

E-A-T-R robots. They were robots that survived on biological, air quotes, biological material. So, like, maybe they could eat plants or babies, whatever's around. I need a friend at DARPA. I mean they made robots that eat tissue. This is, do robots eat people? Please tell me that's not.

And it's a corpse eating robot. Yes. Bro. What? Yes. Why would you paint it playground colors? It literally will use Who at DARPA is like paint paint it like a playground set? So true. Look at it. The colors, it's ridiculous.

It looks like a kid's toy. It should look like a vulture. It should be like red and black like a vulture. Yeah, it should definitely be black, red, lightning bolts on the side. A nice patina, like a ward out patina. Like it's just going through the battlefield, eating bodies. Can you imagine getting eaten by a thing that looks like a tonka truck? Can you imagine if you're not quite dead and it starts chewing you feet first?

I mean, how does it determine whether or not you're dead? What if you can make it? What if you're just out cold? What if you got knocked out and it's like a movie? You wake up in the battlefield. I mean, there's a bunch of movies where that happens, right? Sure. You guys aren't really dead.

They're just badly injured. These motherfuckers. Yeah. There's a video right down below of us talking about it so it's freaked out by eater robots how this happened more than once i'm fucking terrified of those things just the idea that someone made something that can eat people that will listen folks the technology that existed in like early cell phones right like if. If someone made an early Motorola phone with a camera. All that stuff got into everything now. There's so many things that can take pictures now. There's so many phones that can take pictures.

If they develop one robot and one proof of concept where something could be fueled on dead bodies, you don't think other people are going to make those too? You don't think they're going to get better? They're going to get better. And then when we do go to war with the robots and there's big, giant, bulletproof metal ones just eating us and using us as fuel, we're going to be like, what have we done? What have we done? We've created a thing that eats people.

And even if it's just the baby right now, that thing could evolve to become something that literally is the thing of nightmares in a stephen king movie sure where it's just running around looking for people eating people it's a black mirror episode gone wrong man all right i to me i just like to think about the meeting where the guy was like last night i woke up in the middle of the night with this idea. I got it, y'all. What if we make a robot that devours corpses? And somebody was like,

you know what? I kind of like that, Jake. Let's put 50 million into that project. See what we could do. Jesus. Yeah, just imagine like, this is the other thing, man, is like we somehow imagine that that

thing that made gingus khan gingus khan is like now out of people like there isn't somebody on the planet right now that has the same ambition as a warlord you know we somehow forget that see i don't i just think people don't't understand that there's this idea that the world leaders are just humanists. And the interest of humanity is the first thing they're thinking about when they wake up every day. We don't know. Some of them aren't interested in the same thing. Every conquering warlord has been interested, which is like, maybe we could take over the planet. I wonder if there's a way. And, you know, imagine if you

ended up president of the United States or like president of Russia, president of any powerful wherever. Oh, maybe when you're high one night, I don't know if they get high, but I would, you know, or maybe when you're like, just like thinking, wouldn't it flicker through your mind? Kind of like, I wonder if there would be a way to take over the world. I wonder if there's a way that I could become the king of earth. Because, you know, when you look up there in the sky, I'm sure there's many earths out there that have one king, one ruler, someone who conquered the the entire planet someone who figured out a way to do it to like just why couldn't you that's the other thing i mean what's stopping that from happening one day there being one primary authority some imperial majesty we are all one duncan i know

yeah if we were all one but we just have to get rid of some of our laws other people are not going to accept our laws okay we just got to tighten that up a little bit and we were all one, but we just have to get rid of some of our laws. Other people are not going to accept our laws, okay? We just got to tighten that up a little bit, and we can have one ruler of the whole planet. Yeah. And we're going to fix everything by working together. We're going to evenly distribute resources. It's going to be better this way. I don't know about the distribution of resources.

You're going to have to give up all of your privacy. That's all. But through that, everyone's going to be happier. Yeah. Are you in, or are you an outsider? Are you going to act like you're not in? And if you act like you're not in, then we'll find another way to hypnotize you because we'll just pretend to be people who aren't in. Oh, we'll trick you.

We'll infiltrate. Yeah. Yes. A good cult. Yeah. That's what you do, man. That's the problem is like no matter what revolutionary idea gets out there that anybody has, the contagion of the revolutionary idea is easily warped and twisted by people who have like other ideas that run counter to that. You know, like it's so easy to confuse people who believe that Twitter, Instagram, CNN, Fox News, Drudge Report, Wall Street Journal, New York Times is an accurate metric of what's happening on the planet. Yeah. That's not very many information streams, man.

Right. Like how hard would it be to infiltrate all the information streams in some small way and gradually start warping them so that people become more open to the idea of being constantly surveilled, constantly monitored, and not speaking up about it. Because if you speak up about it, then you're a conspiracy theorist. I got another way of looking at it that I've been thinking. What if it's just, that i've been thinking what if it's just this is how life goes what if instead of this being like some grand conspiracy by the robots or by the the elites what if this is just how systems go when one thing gets too big isn't in is in too much power there's no There's no longer a struggle to survive. It's reached some stagnant point biologically

in some sort of weird way. And also maybe even without, for lack of a better word, spiritually stagnant, right? I mean, some people are breaking through and realizing who they are and their connection to other people. But globally, God, there's a lot of

people that are sleep sleepwalking out there sleepwalking hypnotized by technology and society and this is this is their big wake-up call right now what if this all this even materialism right even our obsession with technology maybe like if you look at all the systems that exist in the universe and particularly all the biological systems that exist on earth some of them are so spectacular you're like what what happened here how did they do this like have you ever seen like leaf cutter ants when they take their their buildings and they pour cement in them and they realize these these fermentation chambers and they ferment the leaves in there there There's air holes out to the earth, and there's all these fucking tunnels,

and there's this crazy, elaborate city structure that's created by these ants. Well, there's all these systems that take place all over the earth. If there's too much plants, then the insects involved. If there's too many insects the plants evolve all these things happen to sort of keep some sort of a balance yeah ideas that infect people the dumb ones that are so intoxicated think about what's the some of the most intoxicating shit i mean intoxicating meaning that you're not even really getting pleasure out of it but you can't look away it's like some of the dumbest reality television right and the fear factor you're sitting there with your mouth open like and you get sucked in to this thing

that the the earth is created to make you it's not people what if the what if the grand conspiracy is it's not robots it's not people it's life is trying to get rid of you. Life is making it easier to survive, which makes you soft as fuck, which makes you compliant to anything that keeps you in that sort of soft, comfortable state. I don't want to ruffle any feathers. If they need to look through my emails, you let them. And all the while, it's just the world. It's the universe plotting against us because there's too many of us. And we we fucked up We have too much power and we're obviously doing shit to the earth that we shouldn't be doing like look what we're doing to the ocean

We're sucking every fish out. We're dumping in all our fucking straws Yeah, look at what we're doing a fracking where people have to move because they can't use their water and like well It was an acceptable outcome. This is basically we don't need to rely on Saudi Arabia anymore. But you poison these people's air. They have to move out of their fucking house. Their water's on fire. Literally, their water's on fire. And maybe life is like, okay, what do we got here?

Let's get a virus. Let's get them addicted to technology. Let's get a virus. Let's get them obsessed with themselves. Let's make the predominant thing that people spend their time on not reading books not fucking walking alone with their thoughts But staring at these pictures of other people's photos Yeah selfies and butt pictures and it look at how this guy does chest you ever do chest like that Sucked into looking at these fucking videos yeah and and then

when it's when it's decided you're weak it starts sending in some more problems boom here's a little bit of this boom here's a little bit of that yeah boom here's a new disease yeah boom here's a tsunami boom here's a nuclear reactor you can't shut down yeah and then you try to figure out whether or not we're going to be able to use our amazing intellect to bypass our own biological switches that have us connected to this bullshit life we have a lot of weird dumb biological switches that were put in place back when we had to survive against incoming hordes of soldiers. And we're in the information age now.

What we need to do is be sustainable in case of emergency, which we're clearly not. And we need to realize that this is temporary. And when a bad thing happens, it makes you realize that. It makes you realize like, hey, I thought everything was going to be fine forever. It's not. This is real. Just like a movie or a book. We're just not prepared for it because we haven't experienced it.

We're like, this is a once-in-a-lifetime event. No, it's a once-in-our-lifetime event. Our lifetime is too small for us to really get a grip. It's a blink. It's a blink. It's a blink. And this is just, you know, like you said, dress rehearsal. If anything, it's a dress rehearsal for death. I mean, you're going to – the thing is, is like a blink. And this is just, you know, like you said, dress rehearsal. If anything, it's a dress rehearsal for death. I mean, you're going to that's the thing is, is like that blink. If you're an atheist, which, you know, I get that. And those, those are the most puzzling to me because

the guy, people have done like real blowout mushroom sessions or blowout DMT sessions. I always think that they would leave the door open to the impossible because it is impossible and you experienced it. It's not like, even if you're imagining it, I couldn't imagine that. So how am I imagining that? How am I imagining something in such incredible vivid color and detail and knowledge and love and all these different things you experience in that state? That state is otherworldly. The fact that that is accessible at all, I don't care if it's through a molecule or through a yoga session.

I don't care how it's accessible. The fact that that's accessible at all leaves open to me the I don't know because I didn't know that that was a thing. So once I've experienced that, I'm like, oh, well, all this flat plane of existence that we take for granted, that we think this is everything around us, this is the whole environment we have to worry out for,

this might be just one fucking stage on the radio dial of experiences right and of dimensions that are interacting with us we just don't have the senses to to tune into them and when you can for me at least it leaves open the door for who the fuck knows who knows man i just the fact that that's a thing there's a okay so this is a trip this This is very trippy. So I got this book called The Tibetan Yoga of Dream and Sleep. Whoa. I feel like I should write this again. It's fucking cool.

But basically it's like a form of Tibetan Buddhism that invites you to explore the difference between when you think you're awake and when you're dreaming and So basically the idea is there isn't much of a difference there like right now You're dreaming this thing you call your human incarnation It's like it is a dream and you know, like when people are dying they get all delirious and shit They slide through time, you know, like I don't know, they get all delirious and shit. They slide through time. You know, like I don't know if you've ever been around a dying person, but they like suddenly they're back in Vietnam. They're in the 50s. They're in the 30s.

Whatever their lifetime, which means that when you're dying, you're going to like spin through time, too. Meaning that this could be you dying right now spinning backwards through time but like in a dream so that when you you know this is the the main thing about it is that when we die according to this we we sort of spend like 39 days i think it is in a place called the bardo which is um uh essentially like what it's like to have no body but still have this like i this basically like your karma your identity sort of propelling you through and that that that's how you like get your next incarnation so essentially like that's the what we're dealing with here is so bizarre and surreal that it easily could just be a dream state that one of these vast AIs that already exist is having.

We're just processors. We're just being run. It's like running a simulation of a pandemic. Or maybe this is a way that, like, an AI gets polished. Like maybe we're an AI that's being like polished and taught through this process of having a limited incarnation. You got to have that so that there's a reason for us to actually invest ourselves in stuff. Like if we were gods, if we lived for a million years, eventually we wouldn't have such a passionate relationship, I think, with the world. So you's going to. So you need that to

train the thing up. So it takes it seriously. You have to put the setting on mortal. Then you then maybe you just run a series of tests on the thing. You know, you start running. What is this? What have we made? What does it do in a pandemic? And by it, I mean, the sum total of all humans, which is right now disconnected. It's like a malfunctioning brain. You know what I mean? We're not connecting. But if we were being like sort of, I don't know how you put it, groomed, evolved intentionally, then every single moment in an individual's life and in a planet, the planets, the life of history could be looked at as a training or an upgrade. This could be an operating system upgrade. This could be what an operating system upgrade looks like

in the biocomputer that we exist in. It looks like a fucking pandemic. And that's what's happening right now, is we're being like upgraded for some reason, even though it's terrifying and obviously horrific. We're being upgraded. And anyway, the whole point is, man, this thing that we're in right now, when you anyway the whole point is man this thing that we're in right now whether or not there's a god we just i think an atheist gets to lean into the

idea that when they close their eyes and breathe their last breath it stops and i just think that's a big gamble man that's and i don't mean because you go to hell i mean how nice would that be yeah if it just stopped? When more than likely it's, you know, at least in this Tibetan yoga of dreaming and sleep, more than likely what happens is way before you actually die, when you get really sick, you already start waking up into your next life. You just wake, you just like go through a weird dreamlike state called the bardo, where you freak the fuck out.

And then you're suddenly alive in another being completely oblivious to whatever your past incarnations were. And that's what we're in right now. So, you know, I don't know. This is a great time for people to start, you know, looking at that in one and preparing for that. We didn't prepare for the fucking pandemic. We didn't prepare. Some of y'all did, I'm sure. But we didn't prepare for the fucking pandemic we didn't prepare some of y'all did i'm sure but i didn't there's a few preppers out there listening oh yeah i was ready i know you guys did it congrats you're ready man you were right congratulations i've got fucking hummus and strawberries and some like and but but i think that like also preparing for like the authentic

apocalypse which is when you kick the fucking bucket. Yeah. Because the idea is, you know, and this feel feel free to like the goddamn sage again. But the idea is. Humans be gone. Thank you. The idea is that you can actually like navigate through that bardo state. You can have a little bit of lucidity instead of sort of dying and like freaking out because it's a hallucinatory state.

You could actually have a kind of like, I don't know, focus through it and control your next incarnation. Yeah, we just have to figure it out. That's the thing. And when you're young, particularly if you're young and you don't have a lot of guidance, which is me when I was younger, it takes a while to figure it out because you're just running on your own right there's no you're not getting like a lot of direction to how to live your life and i moved around a lot too which really didn't help but as you get older you start getting a better sense of what makes sense and what doesn't make sense and what's important what's not important what fucks up your life and what enhances your life but you don't live long enough to really get it down right see if these these

people like uh david sinclair or aubrey degray all these anti-aging geniuses that are out there that are working on all these solutions to extend human life they ever really nail it they really nail it you know if david sinclair comes up with something and you can live 150, 250 years, by the time you're 150 years old, you're going to have so much less bullshit in your life. You're going to realize like when you're 30, you'll date crazy people. You'll have moron friends that you have to bail out of jail. You'll have these problems. But when you get older, you start going, look, I see what's good for me and I see what's not good for me right you know and I see there's some people that are not

willing to change and they're trying they're not trying to do better right they're just consistently making the same mistakes over and over again and dragging everyone down around them you just got to move on from people like that in your life when you're 150 man you're not going to be tolerating anything you're just gonna you're just gonna only have coolating anything you're just going to you're just going to only have cool people that you hang out with and and will attract each other and then we'll be able to work together on things right knowing that each other are sane and rational and are looking at these things honestly they're not talking from a position of trying to convince you of their virtue or trying to talk you in a position of doing something that'll benefit them financially they're doing it just because they're they're

just being in the moment and honest and being a human being yeah man i mean you basically just described like the secret societies i mean you know what i mean we need to come up with our own which we call it the illuminati no that's too much. Well, you know, that, the. If we came up with our own right now, what would we call it? Whatever it is, don't do initials, man. I hate that shit. That's not good. They can use those against you.

Yeah. I don't know. What do we call it, Jamie? Children of Jamie. You know. You know. But the thing is, like, these immortal beings that you're talking about, they do already exist, but they exist as communities that have lineages attached to them. So it's like, because our physical bodies die, we don't get to do the thing you're talking about.

When you're older, you do do that naturally. And plus, when you have kids, it's like you just don't have time for bullshit anymore. There's no time to fuck around with somebody who's constantly fucking up their life you used to get drinks with or whatever like you have a child and you have to but regardless there already is set in place in on the planet these like lineages there's essentially chains of transmission in martial arts right like when you look at a martial art, you're seeing a living being, you know, that has its roots. I don't know how far it goes back. When you look at yoga, that's a living thing that's transferred from person to person, right? So I think these things

already, immortality already does exist. It just doesn't exist as a human. And also sometimes when I hear about these technologists trying to live forever i get a little scared thinking that's kind of like you know if you could theoretically do it you might be locking yourself in a dream that you don't want to stay in it gets worse yeah and you can't die you can't die you engineer some polymer skin that's made a that spider silk blend that they were trying to come up with that's stronger than steel. Yeah. Remember when they were doing that?

There was an article about them trying to create some sort of bulletproof skin by engineering it with spider silk. Yeah, I remember that. What if that's real? What if they figure out a way to make people completely invulnerable and we live forever and then we hate it? And we didn't realize that if we just shut the lights out we'd go to the next stage that's and the next stage is amazing maybe that's like the big trick the big trick is like how do you how do you use this life and how does it take you into the next stage imagine if that's really what's happening that's why every single

look I'm not saying that this means anything, but every single religion has some place you go when it's over. Yeah. Don't they? I mean, almost all of them? Yeah. I mean, that's an overlying theme. Now, you could say, well, that's just engineered to provide comfort to people because, you know, they want to feel like this life means something. But the reality is the lights just shut off.

And to that, I say maybe. I say maybe I say maybe maybe But have you have you ever been whacked out of your mind on psychedelics? Because if you are you would you would go who the fuck knows because that's a who the fuck knows moment So maybe death is a who the fuck knows moment. Maybe that's why every single religion has these stories Not every single one, but like look, I mean, there's a lot of religions that people clearly just made just made up right and we know the people that made them they count too they don't even have to pay taxes yeah so let's not get holier than thou with the concept of religions right so there's a lot of really dumb religions that probably don't have an afterlife but it's just some shit that

people made up all of it but how many people have made up this idea that there's a place you go that's better than this. I mean, is that just to make you incentivize you to be good and to be a good person? Or is it like an inherent understanding of how the universe works? It might be both things. It might also be manipulative because you can get people to comply with social norms and society's rules. If you tell them that if they don't that god is watching them and he will smite them down and burn them forever that is a way that is part of a way but it's not going to stop people from doing most shit that it's it's just not it never has i mean some of the most horrific things ever done by human beings were done in the name of

christianity right or and many other religions. But there is something to the possibility that it's both things, that it's an understanding that when you do good in this life, you will go forth into the next stage in a better place. You'll feel better. You'll be less burdened by the past. You'll be less hampered by the failures of your ability to adjust and your ability to live a harmonious life with people here on earth. There might be something that's real. And also, the other idea is it's not like this place that they're talking about in religions is existing after you die.

The idea is like you're there right now. You just can't feel it. You're wearing a blindfold that looks like your body in your life. You're wearing a blindfold that looks like your existence. You're blind. And that's why there's always these stories of like Jesus healing a blind man or like Paul on the road to Damascus being like blinded. There's all these stories of being like already existing in what

Buddhism, some forms of Buddhism call fundamental goodness. That's already where we're at. That's the main channel. But we've sort of grown like little bits of grass into the time space continuum. And right now we're like waving in the wind of our karma and not not realizing there's a beneath us or through us or moving through us is a much grander more beautiful incredible thing so like i think when people say yeah they invented it so people be afraid it sort of imagines that these people are having one-way conversations with it you know that when they pick up the phone it's just themselves they're talking to it's not imagining that when people connect to this divine source, it immediately says, oh, hi, yeah, this is the part of your program where you were supposed to start remembering

what's really going on here and reconnecting with me. Don't worry. Don't feel bad. It's okay. Everyone goes through that. In fact, you requested a disconnect for the last 15 years when you were getting hammered and imagining you were Charles Bukowski or whatever. Like if this was all part of the plan, that was actually teaching you what happens when you don't

take care of your body. Now we're like connecting, sending a download to you, letting you know, hi, it's us. We're here. We're not mad at you. How could we be? We're infinite., sending a download to you, letting you know, hi, it's us. We're here. We're not mad at you. How could we be? We're infinite. We've been here since before the stars. You wanted this to happen.

My apologies for cutting off your ball, killing your mom and your dad. You know what I mean? But whatever. This is all part of a bigger thing. And I think that's, to me, what God is. part of a bigger thing. And I think that's, to me, what God is. It's this constantly rejuvenating, synchronistic perfection that becomes increasingly perfect. And it exists simultaneous to this seemingly imperfect universe. And it's always there for you to connect to at any moment. And when people smoke DMT, certainly that's one of the avenues. And

that's a beautiful thing. So I think the reason for it is not to scare people. It's more so that people become like fountains for that and in some small way become little droplets or like divine bits of perspiration bubbling up into this place so that folks who are really freaking out right now or worried or scared or disconnected could have at least the chance to reconnect. Because listen, man, if I was God wanting to get blasted, if I was some divine being wanting to get high, and Alan Watts has a beautiful lecture on this, I really do think at some point I would want to cut off all connection to the realization of my divinity and experience infinite lifetimes on a

planet, on a tumultuous planet, and experience every incarnation and all of it to get an understanding of what it is like to be extremely limited. And what would this do? It would just add to my databanks. It would just help me increasingly become more and more beautiful and perfect, which seems to be what we're in right now. It's like we have a limited data set based on our neurology. We can't see certain colors. We can't hear certain sounds. We don't know what happened 20,000 years ago. We don't know what happens five seconds from now. And so this is a perfect place to be in what's in becoming, to know what it is to become and to be limited. And this is, who knows, man, it's just something sniffing data. You know,

it's something just like, you know, it's like snorting our lives, like the universe is snorting our lives on time and On the mirror of time. Well, it's the big thing, right, that keeps us from seeing that. The one thing that all psychedelics have in common is the dissolving of the ego. They all dissolve the ego. What's that word? Dissolution? Yeah.

Dissolution. Dissolution of the ego. That what's happening with all of them is it removes all this nonsense narrative in your head. Everyone's ego has this nonsense view of the world that's based on them being the most important thing. Oh, yeah. And that, you know, all the shit that they're thinking about right now is of the utmost importance. It needs to be done right now. That's why people run red lights.

You can't even wait. You can't even wait, you fuck. It's one thing if it's a medical emergency, kids being born, someone's got a broken leg, and you just, you got to get to the hospital right away. I get it. I 100% get it. But there's some people that just want to be, they just want to make that left turn. They don't give a fuck if the light changed. They want to cut in front of you, make that turn, even block traffic because they think more about themselves than they do about other people. And that's a side effect of this life that's been set up. But it's almost like maybe that's how it works. Maybe the life creates challenges when there are no challenges.

And the challenges are it just tries to diminish you, tries to see if you're paying attention, tries to weaken you and make you stupid and turns you into a fucking zombie. If you walked into any restaurant, any restaurant during lunchtime, and you see people on their phones, it's like, this is bonkers. If this was anything else that where half the room was using an electronic and staring into it for long moments at a time, not interacting with the person across from them, that becomes almost the norm. That at least 50% of the people, and everyone's interrupting everybody, they're all just barely paying attention to each other.

Well, they haven't developed the muscle. I mean, it's a muscle. It's people just assume that the ability to have a conversation is a natural part of being an adult. But it's like, I think that's atrophying in a lot of people to the point now where I just try to be, you know, as I guess is like I just have lowered my expectations to the point of like, I don't know how many people can pay attention that much. And I know I'm certainly distracted, but doesn't it feel fucking weird? Even if you're just watching TV with somebody and they pull their phone out and start looking at it. Oh, it's so weird. It's like the energy immediately down shifts.

Yeah. The moment that it's... Like if you're watching a movie with someone and they're over there on their phone, like, come on. Yeah. Watch the goddamn movie with me. Yeah.

Even though we're not talking, doesn't mean we're not connecting. It's weird. It's weird. Even fights. If you watch fights with your friends, they're on their phone all the time. It's like, are you not even watching these fights?

You can feel it. Yeah. That's why, you know, at the Denver Comedy Works, they've got the Dave Chappelle. Beyond the Bags. Yeah. So like, I was listening. Do you ever listen to an audience that doesn't have access to their phones before a show? They're so mad.

No. No. They want. Motherfucker. Where's my phone? This. No. It's. They talk to mad. No, they want, motherfucker, where's my phone? No, it's- They talk to each other. Yeah. It's like the sound is better. It's a better sound out there. It's a different murmur than a phone murmur from a crowd. So yeah, I don't know, man. I think that- I think life presents all sorts of adversity and some adversity doesn't feel like adversity. It's sneaky. And that's what cell phones are.

That's what technology is, and that's certainly what social media is. You only realize what social media truly can do when it comes at you. You know, you get canceled, or there's a bunch of people who are tweeting mean stuff to you. Then you realize, like, oh, these are horrible feelings. Right. This feeling of being attacked by this thing that's been grooming me. Oh. Yeah.

It's like, what is that? Like, if the earth was trying to get rid of us, if the earth had decided that there's an infection that doesn't think it's an infection, it thinks it's so important that it should be allowed to pollute everything around it, should be allowed to scab up the earth with giant concrete bandages. I mean, that's what we're doing. We're putting these things everywhere that cover up all the ground, displace all the life, and then we shut off the lights so we can't recognize that we're in space. I mean, the whole recipe is perfect. It's perfect for charming us to sleep. Every aspect of it.

The ego part, the fact that it exists, the fact that we have this biological imperative to stay alive and breed and then keep our DNA alive. There's all these things that are set into you to make sure that that happens. All the while,

where you recognize you definitely are a finite life form. Right. But yet you do something a finite life form. Right. But yet you do something you hate every day. Yeah. You just keep doing it. Yeah. You do something you don't enjoy.

And when you get into reincarnation, which I love, that thing you're doing that you don't enjoy, you've been doing that for infinite lifetimes. Oh, my God. That's called your kleshas. It's your sort of – it's like underneath your identity. It's basically your code. It's your tendencies, I guess is the way you put it. So like, you know, if you have the tendency to lose your temper, then that's something that you've been dealing with for

infinite lifetimes. And it never, ever goes away until you start waking up. Because the idea is to just go from being this set of conditioned responses, reactions to your environment, to being something that's like lucid living. I mean, you know, if you want to lucid dreaming, try lucid living, you know, which is the practice, I would say, of first, what are your habituations? The other day, I was sitting on the couch. I took my sock off, and I spun it like a lasso and threw it across the room. And my wife looks at me. She's like, what was that? I'm like, oh, my God.

Holy shit. That's how I've been taking my socks off for years and i didn't even know it i pull them off lasso them and sling and like like that just that little thing i didn't even know i was doing something so i've probably been doing that since i was a kid like i probably saw some cool kid lasso his socks and throw it and i'm like i'm gonna start fucking lasso on my socks but like how many other things are you doing that are just like that that are just pure habituation pure reactivity and this is where you run into uh some scary shit man which is what jaron lanier god i wish you could get him on you know that guy is what say his name jaron lanier. God, I wish you could get him on. You know who that guy is? What, say his name again? Jaron Lanier.

I feel like I've heard that name. He is. What does he do? He's an author. He developed all this VR technology. He was in Silicon Valley, and it's when it was just starting, working on VR before the technology was even there to have VR goggles. He was building.

I think he helped his group help build. I think it might be the Oculus Rift. I'm sorry, fans of his out there who are upset. I don't know. But some VR system. Yeah. And he's like, he's written a lot of great books. One of them, 12 Reasons to Get Out, or 10 Reasons to Get Out of Your Social Media Now.

Really? Yeah. He wrote a book called that? Yep. How do you say his name again? Jaron Lanier. Jaron. Jaron Lanier.

Jaron Lanier. Freaking brilliant human, man. But, you know. What's the name of the book again? It's called 10 or 12, I can't remember, 12 Reasons to Get Off Your Social Media Now or Delete Your Account, something like that. There's a book of his I like better than that called The Dawn of the New Everything. dawn of the new everything but and that's just him sort of like talking about what it was like working in silicon valley back then and uh his sort of opinions on um on this stuff is he a white guy with dreadlocks yeah look yeah hmm what you wouldn't well no i think people do judge his

meat body but um his meat body, but... His meat body? Well, his physical appearance or whatever. Oh, is he a large fellow? He's fucking brilliant, man. Oh, I believe it. Listen, man, there's a lot of brilliant people with wacky hair. Yeah, yeah. I'm just joking.

It's okay to have jokes. I'm defending him because I'm like a... What is he doing? I love him. Is those bagpipes? What's happening with this guy? He's playing pipes. Who cares?

He's a genius. I don't care what he... There's just quite a few photos of him with pipes. God damn it, I didn't see the pipe photos. Who cares? I didn't see the pipe photos. When we say pipes, we should say the kind you blow on, like flutes and pipes. Okay, I didn't

see that! There's a lot of them, bro. He looks real spiritual. Okay, stop, Jamie! Don't look at it for getting... Please put that picture back up because there's very few things in life that I love more than white guys with dreadlocks with their eyes closed playing the flute. There's very few things in life that make me feel like, man, that's my guy. Dude, if I had that picture of me online, I would want people to turn off their social media too.

Yeah, that's my guy. Here's a new flute with him, eyes closed. Who cares? He plays a flute. He plays a flute. I bet he's amazing at it. I'm sure he's great. Dude's a new flute. God damn it. Eyes closed. Who cares? He plays a flute. He plays a flute. I bet he's amazing at it. I'm sure he's great. Nothing wrong with what he's doing.

I think it's amazing. I wish I could play a flute. What the fuck is that? He's playing another flute. Look at that flute. That's a dope looking flute though. You guys are the best. What is that flute?

That flute looks dope. God damn it. Listen, flutes sound cool and I'm not being disingenuous. I'm not being sarcastic. Flutes sound cool. I wish I got, what is that thing, though? That needs to go away. What is that silly?

It's like a zither. He's in The Hobbit. He's in the movie The Hobbit. He's in the movie The Hobbit. He's in the fucking pub, and he's playing that thing in the back because they haven't figured out real music yet. Sir, I'm only joking. I know you are.

I appreciate your contributions. I'm just joking. I'm sure you're brilliant. Duncan's one of my favorite people if he says you're brilliant. He's brilliant. I'm only joking. I know you are. I appreciate your contributions. I'm just joking. I'm sure you're brilliant. Duncan's one of my favorite people. He's brilliant. I'm just joking. Look, if you want to listen, play the flute. Listen, there's a lot of people that are super intelligent and whacked out on technology.

I think something like the flute would be an amazing way to decompress. something like the flute would be an amazing way to decompress right an organic i mean you're you're literally using your body to make a sound with air and tubes he plays it's amazing he said he plays like a hundred instruments or something sure some kind of genius but he here's the scary thing he said uh which is if like bf skinner's right right, and pretty much if you can control a thing's environment, you can control it. This is the reason to be terrified of AI. Because the more advanced an AI gets, where our assumption is that things are going to eat us or kill us or whatever, it might just gradually hypnotize us and hypnotize us by creating more and more enticing things that grab our attention, hacks our neurology and begins to like just do things that are completely impossible to not look at.

And that, you know, when you're saying an AI, you know, advise the pandemic, what if that, you know, that, how do you look away from a pandemic? All of our nervous systems right now are completely fixated on every tremor, every ripple, every little data point that flies across our screens. We are so absorbed in it right now. We are locked in like cats chasing laser pointers and that is um what he said we should be most afraid of is that this these things eventually could get to the point of completely grabbing us and what you were saying earlier is kind of maybe that's what already happened maybe there's that is a process yeah maybe it's a process that's not even put in place by anything other than life itself the life itself has these systems set up

so no one thing ever totally dominates and when it does they find ways into it and then it's this constant state of chaos yeah that produces better and better life forms right that's what it is i mean if you want to admit or you want to state that we are better than our ancient ancestors, the pre-homo sapien hominids, I think we're better. I think we're better. They might have been stronger than us, but we've created more. Overall, as a species, I think it's better to be a person than it is to be a pre-person. Right?

I think as it goes on and on, we're going to think the same way. I think the next stage of existence is going to be so happy it's not a person running around letting their dick think for them and fucking getting drunk all the time and crashing their motorcycle and all the dumb shit that people do. All of the dumb shit from alcohol and drug abuse to fucked up relationships to everything we do to lying and stealing and being selfish all that shit we'd be so happy if that all went away oh my god those dude the pre-humans used to eat each other's babies

they were always fucking stealing and robbing they couldn't talk they couldn't express love who the fuck would want to be that right and then the humans the humans were so full of shit they were all addicted to their phones they didn't even see it coming the phone snuck in their life they welcomed them with new versions every year paying for their own demise yeah happily and they were all angry and bitter and mean and jealous and fucking thoughtless and polluting and then the next stage came along and they eliminated all that and we all live in harmony now we're all gravel no now we're all great to be a gravel we're all space yeah or just we're all we're all part of the next. Yeah. And we already are. I mean, I think probably we already are that.

But I mean, to me, I think that whatever's happening, you just have to make is a good thing or not, if there is something great about humans, it's that we're capable of alchemizing phenomena in a way that it doesn't completely drive us nuts or paralyze us. Convert it into something either that's going to make you scared, self-destructive, rationalize your anger, rationalize your shitty decisions. Or it can be used as a thing that completely, quote, converts you, completely shifts your method or way of living. And that's what's beautiful about a human is that any given moment you can do that. Like at any given moment, you can shed your operating system theoretically you could drop all of the hang-ups all the weird shit are you jerking off three times a day you could maybe take it down to two times a day are you drinking every single night you can you can stop that and to me that's like yeah, the future beings, whatever they are, I hope one of the qualities or one of the things they look back at is like, holy shit, the glory of all things, and could have theoretically any one of them, just one of them, could have converted the entire planet into an up-leveled,

up-resonanced, up-consciousness utopia. But they all were sleepwalking. And then finally, somebody woke up for real. And I don't know. Maybe it's a, I don't know what that looks like. Well, maybe what looks like is what this is happening, what is happening right now with this virus where everybody's being forced indoors and forced to stop work.

It's a terrible thing for people financially, but it is in a sense, a reset button. It's a it's a terrible thing for people financially, but it is in a sense a reset button It's a real reset button To know that this shitty job that you hate going to could go away at any moment because all jobs could go away at any Moment is a real wake-up call because even the good jobs are going away, right? If you're in San Francisco, you have the best job in the world. Guess what? You can't even go there, right? You might have the best job. You're so fucking pumped to go to work every day day you can't go you can't go so that can be taken away from you too so if you're living a bullshit life like recognize that all of this for everybody could go away right if yellowstone blows half the

people die right like easily easily maybe more maybe more, maybe more. And that motherfucker could easily go. Sure. We need these little catastrophes sometimes just to let us understand that the window of time that we've been existing in that's been relatively free of disaster is unique. And that's not normal. Normal is madness.

Normal is we're in the middle of a fucking shooting gallery spinning 1,000 miles an hour around a fireball. That's normal. And every now and then, shit flies into our atmosphere and wrecks havoc. This is why I love hollow earth theory, man. You ever get into that shit? Do you ever get into that? Is that for people to get kicked out of the flat earth society?

Yeah, flat earth people look down on hollow earthers. The Flat Earth Society? Yeah. Flat Earth people look down on hollow earthers. But hollow earth is, to me, my favorite of them all. Because if the idea is, yeah, humans have been on the planet for a long time. And if we want to go into the cool idea of the Atlanteans and advanced civilizations, at some point, if you can't create a way to protect from the meteor impacts and you're looking to create a sustaining civilization, you're going to want

to go in there, man. And so to me, it's such a fucking cool idea that in the core of the earth is another sun that has an advanced civilization that hasn't been disrupted by the shit that happens on the surface of the planet it turns the earth into a spaceship inside the spaceship are these advanced beings and outside the spaceship it's like a celestial fungus that's like growing out it's just or it's like another way to put it would be outside the spaceship is mad max like covering outside the spaceship is just a bunch of like you know us that are inside the thing who have basically been completely disrupted over and over and over again. So they have no idea what history is.

They have no idea where the planet came from. They don't know anything. And now we've sort of grown out of control all around the ship. And so this kind of shit that's happening is like turning on the windshield wipers. It's like, hey, man, you got humans on you. You know that, right, man? You're like crawling with them. Oh, fuck.

Wipe them out. Get rid of them. Let's just scrub the fucking surface. Do some earthquakes. Yellowstone is just a windshield wiper for the people who live inside the planet. But you know what humans are, man? Really? A vector for ideas

Yeah, it's ideas that change everything the humans just do the work of the ideas What what we are we're the first thing that can manipulate our environment that has ideas We're the first thing with ideas all these other animals they had instincts They had ideas in terms of like trying to figure out the best patterns to acquire food how to sneak up on birds yeah but if you think cats have ideas well guess what they all have the same fucking idea cats aren't inventing shit you know they're not inventing things there's a specific kind of idea that's unique to a human being regardless of the sentience of other animals, ours is unique in that it allows us to make stuff, not just little things. We can make gigantic machines that travel into space and

all the wild creations of human beings all came out of ideas. We think it's all humans, but true, we are the ones that put forward, but if you're a thing that wants to get born and you need a host, you get that curious ape that's just been trying to figure out better ways to stab its neighbor with a spear. Get that thing and slowly infect it with ideas. Right. Ideas of new stuff to make. Yeah. And then it goes out and does the work for you. And then you take over the earth.

The ideas have taken over the earth. The people are just the toys the ideas now if instead of ideas you said demons I mean that's that's literally what people used to think was happening to folks when they did terrible things they had bad ideas they acted on those bad ideas and ancient religions thought of those ideas like they were demons like these people were possessed there was a common thought that someone's possessed by a demon. Still is.

We're all possessed by ideas, and some possessed by them more than others. Like Elon Musk is particularly haunted. He's possessed by ideas. Swarms of ideas. And what does he do? Well, look at what he's done. He's one guy that's probably had more of an impact on our perception of what the future holds in terms of technology than any other one individual human being that is widely known of like he is, a famous human like he is. I mean, he's doing Tesla, which is the most advanced electric cars in the world.

They're insane. Yeah. Then he's doing this fucking loop thing, right? The hyper or the boring project where he's boring. He's doing this fucking loop thing, right? The hyper or the boring project where he's boring. He's doing the hyper loop. He's doing the boring project. He's making tunnels under LA and Vegas. And you're going to be able to shoot through those tunnels going 120 miles an hour. Then he's making rockets that shoot up into space. Oh, and solar power too. Yeah. Like what? How is one guy's doing all this? What's going on there? Well, that guy's infected by ideas.

That guy probably has a huge receptor and ideas have clung on to him. Just like some girls have big tits, some people have crazy parts of their brain that soaks in ideas. And there's no rhyme or reason to why. But what they are is an antenna for ideas. Those ideas come up and you're like, wow, I'm glad I thought of that. And then you go to work on fracking. You go to work on all kinds of different

crazy things that change the world forever. Whoever invented Fukushima, right, is like, ah, I'll figure out how to shut it off when that time comes.

We'll figure it out. No one ever does. But that person talked people or that group of people whose ideas all coincided talked people into building

a gigantic nuclear furnace that you can never shut off yeah how crazy is that ah that's crazy it's crazy we scan the skies for meteor impacts but we have no way to scan human consciousness for some incoming ideas yeah because some ideas coming in are going to be, but there's going to be a few that are really bad ideas. Like, you know, Hitler. Yeah. He had an idea. Yeah.

And it was a bad fucking idea. And he implemented that terrible idea. That idea was just floating in the astral plane, gradually just shooting towards Hitler's fucking brain. That idea is fueled by an ecosystem. And just like you're fueled by nutrients, right? Human beings are fueled by plants and fish and animals and vitamins and all these different things. Well, these ideas are fueled. Ego and lust and greed and jealousy and anger and virtue and love and prosperity and comfort and community. And all those different components of human consciousness all interact with this idea.

So the idea becomes like it just hitches a ride. It hitches a ride with all these ideas that already exist in your brain. And then with these pre-existing structures like businesses and warehouses and all these different things that we use to make stuff and then ship it out, then the idea becomes a thing. And then the idea winds up in the belly of a seagull because it looks like a fish. Whoops, sorry, you're dead. You're dead, seagull.

You couldn't figure out that that's a bottle cap, not a fish. And that this is how things change. They don't just change because of people. We're blaming ourselves. And it is definitely us that's doing the work. But it's all coming out of ideas. If we thought of ideas as a life force, instead of thinking ideas as like something you own,

something you hold. But even though you do deserve credit for your ideas, because your discipline to sit down and try to cultivate these ideas acceler accelerates the production of those ideas, and exercises the muscle through which those ideas come through focus and energy. So you deserve credit for it. This is not a socialist way of looking at it. But everybody that has an idea that's really good will tell you it's like it came out of nowhere. Like every great bit that you've ever had, it's like pop, a light bulb goes off, and you have this thought, like it came out of nowhere like every great bit that you've ever had it's like pop a light bulb goes off and you have this thought and it comes out of nowhere right that's like most things that you write that are really cool they kind of come out of nowhere

yeah you just sit there and then also you think of things and you write them out they're like they're an idea that you're wrestling you just catch them you just catch them well this man this is this is why i love collaborating with people. Because the more people you collaborate with, instead of just using your own brain as the net to catch these ideas, when you have a group of people sharing whatever the intention may be, whether it's to make flesh-eating robots or to cure cancer or whatever, or to cure cancer or whatever, then that becomes this like amazing solar panel for like big ideas, you know? So, I mean, this is to me, the weirdest thing about when you're working with a group of people or collaborating with people, if you know, someone's off, you will sink to that level. But if you're, you know, when you're around funny people, you get funnier.

Yes. When you're around people who can draw, you can draw a little better. It's like something about being in a group. Sure. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, that works that way with martial arts. Really? Yep, it works that way with pool.

When you watch people play pool that are really good, you can play better. If you're a player, like you see someone play really good, you realize things that they do, and you see them and you emulate them and then you can do it we feed off of each other in that respect i think that's a a big argument for why the comedy store is so good because there's so many great comics there and we all feed off each other that's right if you're going on after jessalynick you're like that guy's so good that's so funny and like it elevates everybody that's right if you're're there with D'Elia or Joey or you or Sebastian, like, fuck, man, how am I so lucky?

Ali Wong and Whitney and Eliza. You're working with some of the best people in the country, the people that are killing it all over the country. And Burt and Tom. I mean, I keep going on and on and on. And then they're helping you punch up jokes. Yes. I got off stage.

This is one was my favorite memories there and jeff garland and whitney cummings are helping me punch up a joke and i'm sitting i'm just thinking like what the fuck this is like hogwarts how am i getting how are these two people who are brilliantly funny and you know helping refine some like ridiculous just dumb joke do you ever still have imposter syndrome yeah yeah me too everybody does i think i'm so glad you admit it man that's powerful yeah i don't get it as much anymore but it still do it still i particularly used to get it with famous people yeah you know i'd get it when i was around famous people i always felt weird like oh my god i'm not supposed to be around these people. Yeah. They're too famous.

They're real famous. I'm just fake famous. Right. You know, it's a weird insecurity that pops up. But I think for you, it's like, you know, when we first became friends, you were the guy who answered the phone at the store. Yeah. And that's really, there's those crazy conversations that you and I had when I would call in to

give my avails. We would talk on the phone for a fucking hour sometimes. I know. About wacky shit. But those kind of interactions that you have with people, they shape what you are. That's right. And the more people that you have in your life that are like that, that are interesting, that you feed off and you can have good ideas could we could engineer a society that's way better that doesn't have all the

pitfalls but we all have to pull our own weight it's like there's there's a problem in the society where there's there's siphoning off of money right there's massive moving and exchanging of money in some weird way with like banks and mutual funds and all that stuff. It's like, what are you guys doing? Like, what is that? How are you so rich? Like, just moving money around? Like, that's sort of that system, since they run the financial system, that sort of idea

of how everything gets distributed is kind of hijacked because they kind of run the system. We all are in the system and we all clearly benefit from the system. It's the best system we know of, but still there's some people that are doing some wacky things with the system and they have giant yachts and like they own 50 buildings. But if that wasn't the case, if it was a more fair distribution, meaning not, not meaning that you shouldn't be rewarded for your work, but that you can't just kind of hijack money the way bankers can. You can't just kind of – there's so much weirdness about using money to make money and that's all you do. You're moving money around. Yeah.

Like, what are you doing? You don't even have a real job. Right. I mean, you have a real job. Like, you're not making a thing, right? You're not writing a thing. You're not teaching a thing. Yeah.

You're just moving monies around. You're deciding this company sucks. I'm going to fucking bet on this one. Like, whoa. And those are the people oftentimes that have the most exorbitant amounts of money. It's not saying that they shouldn't have a lot of money. They figured something out. I'm saying that the system as it exists, that it would allow someone to make that much fucking money from things is a little crazy.

Crazy. It's a little crazy. It's not saying you shouldn't be able to get ahead. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to kick ass. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to acquire an extraordinary amount of wealth. I'm just saying I don't know if that makes sense to keep that sort of banking system, to keep it in place the way it is, to keep the stock market in place. What is it?

It's based on confidence? Like, what are they doing? They're moving numbers around? They're buying and selling, and things are getting, oh, it's not worth as much anymore because this happened. Oh, my God.

Sell, sell, sell. A lot of people are shorting it. What are you going to do? I'm going to buy these fucking idiots. They're wrong. Apple's coming back. And you're just moving money around. What a you going to do? I'm going to buy these fucking idiots. They're wrong. Apple's coming back. Yeah. And you're just moving money around.

Like, what a wacky way to run an economy. Yeah, man. Bunch of fucking pill heads. Yeah. It's like, well, I used to know these fucking kids from high school that one guy that I delivered newspapers with that went on to become a stockbroker. That guy was always doing coke. Really?

He was a madman. He was a madman. Well, that would be I mean, it would probably be fun to be like blasted on blow, like buying stocks, but I would I just love the pictures on the stock exchange whenever it's crashing. Who are those fucking dudes?

Like, it always cuts to like the guy whose tie is kind of pulled down and he's like, ah! Who are they? What are they? What is that? I don't know, but he's like, ah! Dude. Who are they? What are they? What is that? I don't know, but until my friend, who was a wild man, became a stockbroker,

I didn't think of stockbrokers like that. I thought stockbrokers were like super nerd genius guys that are figuring things out and counting and selling and paying attention to all the markets and moving. I didn't know they were animals. Like, stock market guys are fucking Savages right and then the wolf of Wall Street came along people like what well yeah, that's like my friend These are the type of people that are like they have a big impact on the stock market

Yeah, people like that fucking that crazy asshole that went to jail what the fuck's's his name? Madoff. Bernie Madoff. People like that guy. Like, what the fuck, man? You're just lying to people? Yeah. You weren't even investing anything? No. Oh, my God.

Like, those type of crazy assholes. There's so many of those in finance. I mean, there's great people in finance. Don't get me wrong. There's people that follow the rules. There's people that are wonderful human beings that also exist in that chaotic world but it also attracts a lot of fucking sociopaths yeah well that's that isn't that the idea is that that but like there's the sociopath personality type is going to do better in certain industries yeah because you're gonna

be cutthroat yeah you've got to be yeah you just have to look at other people as being things you manipulate. Dude, man, I feel like a dick. Can I show you this thing from my show? Fuck yeah. Okay, cool. Why would you feel like a dick? Because, you know, you... That was part of the thing.

I know, man, but I, you know, plug, you know, that kind of like, here's a clip of my shit. Here's a clip from my shit. But I'm proud of this fucking thing, man. Should we spark up one more time before we see it? Yeah. I feel like we should. Yeah. You should have a lighter. But I'm proud of this fucking thing, man. Should we spark up one more time before we see it? Yeah. I feel like we should. Yeah.

You should have a lighter on your side, don't you? No? Here. I have a lighter. Thanks, Joe. I'm not going to touch that. I'm scared of a lighter.

Right now, I just know all the people are like, he's handled his mask wrong. He's already, I know it doesn't work. I've got a beard. It doesn't work anyway.

Oh, man. Yeah. There's a lot of people out't work anyway. Oh, man. Yeah. There's a lot of people out there that will critique your technique in lighting joints. Really? All right. Critique everything. I think I have one of the best joint lighting techniques in the Los Angeles. I think the problem is listening to them.

The problem is not them saying it. The problem is if you tune in to all the stuff. Chappelle's got it right. He doesn't do anything. He's got no social media at all. Man's a genius. You don't want to get contaminated. He's just got it locked in to what he's doing, just constantly doing shows.

He was doing shows pretty late up until the cancellation. I forget the last day I did a show. Man. I think it was, I think it was, I don't remember. But by Friday, everything was canceled. By Friday, we were like, we can't do this. Yeah, I remember talking to you about that, man. That was fucking weird.

It was weird. Sex, the comedy store shut down, man. That's like. Yeah, but it had to. It had to. And for everybody that's skeptical, it's really about old folks and folks that are immune compromised. I mean, if you look at Idris Elba on his Twitter page, that guy, first of all, that guy's a stud. I mean, that guy had a lot of respect for that guy because not only is he a badass actor, but he also had a real Muay Thai fight.

He had a real amateur Muay Thai fight. He was training Muay Thai and he got into it as a fucking huge movie star. And it's a real fight. If you watch it, was training Muay Thai and he got into it as a fucking huge movie star. And it's a real fight. If you watch it, they're really fighting. Really? Yes.

Yeah, it's fucking... What movie is this? Not a movie. I don't know what he trained. He trained it probably for... He was in James Bond, right? Wasn't he... He's done a shit ton of movies. He's definitely done movies

where he had to fuck people up. So he probably trained martial arts for that or maybe he just enjoyed doing it. But he really got into Muay Thai and he actually had a fight and he looked good he looked good he looked like a really good amateur you know and he he fought hard it was a real battle between him and this other guy but he has it and he's been doing these videos updating and talking to people on his

Twitter and he seems fine he seems, but he's really healthy. He's a robust, healthy, well-kept man. He takes care of himself. Same as a lot of these NBA players that supposedly have it. A lot of them are asymptomatic. We're not worried about them. I'm like that. We're worried about old people.

We're worried about people that are overweight, people that smoke cigarettes. But this is a wake-up call to a way worse disease. If this was the avian flu, if this was something that killed 60% of the people like you know there's an article in The Atlantic about this I think it's this is where I found that the avian flu killed like it was like 60% the one that they killed all the chickens in the early 2000s it was 60% fatality rate so if you it, it was more likely to kill you than not kill you. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And they got rid of that one pretty quick. But

that kind of one is what we got to be really worried about. This one we have to be worried about for our older folks and our folks that aren't doing well, but it's a good wake up call. It's good. Look, no one responded perfectly. No one in terms of no cities, no countries, no one did. But everybody got caught off guard. We have to realize everybody got caught off guard. We didn't know. The only way they really know that something like this is going to happen is that it happens. And then there has to be a response. So now we're going to get better at figuring out what to do. So my hope is that we get through this and then it makes us a little nicer to each other. And then we also realize, OK, we have to have a plan in place in case a really bad one happens. And we have to

figure out what steps can be done to make sure that it doesn't happen again. Right? Yeah, man. I mean, this is too, that is definitely what, I mean, if we needed something like this, I wish it wasn't something that is going to kill a lot of people's grandparents and i wish it was something something a little less but damn you're totally right man because it's been a long time since we've had to as a planet deal with a problem at this level and it's it's teaching us that there is a global civilization is teaching us that we are interconnected. And it's definitely inviting us to reprioritize our lives, man, because holy shit. And there's consequences to living in a way that you don't feel are healthy or ethical, right? Like one of the reasons why they have those ag-gag laws where you're not allowed to film factory farms is because people would find it horrific.

Right. And that that would be bad for business. Well, that's not how we're supposed to look at it. See, that's a symptom of terrible thinking. Right. It's supposed to be the opposite way. We're supposed to make it so that it's not horrific to look at. Right. We're supposed to make it so that it's not this terrible thing.

Now, that's the difference between doing things that feel natural and doing things that are horrific. And the horrific ones are the ones where all the diseases are coming from. If you think about these farming operations, let's just think about these wet markets. When you've got all these animals in the open air piled on top of each other. Dead animals laying on a plate. Dead animals laying on a table. Some laid stretched out on the floor. And you have them all over the place. You're going to have problems.

There's going to be air and heat and bacteria is going to mix with each other. And then it creates things. That's what happened with the avian flu that happened in animal agriculture. Swine flu, same thing. These fucking flus, these horrible bugs, a lot of them come from animals. So you don't think it was a bioweapon? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think the real fear, if you talk to all the experts, the real fear is an actual known thing jumping from animal to human.

We talked to one. That's what this is. Yeah, when we were at the CDC down in Galveston. I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it either. Scariest fucking interview ever of all, not just that show, just of all time. Sitting with that, I wish I could remember his name. The guy who ran the head of the place. Didn't we have some crazy flight too?

We flew in and we didn't have any sleep. Dude, we missed a flight because we got stoned and we talked at the airport. And we talked for like a fucking hour and a half. And then suddenly we're like oh fuck our flight that's right we didn't just miss it by like five minutes either we missed it by like 20 30 minutes and we were at the airport and it was empty at the airport and we're like oh fuck man we've you there's a we have to tape this show tomorrow you remember yeah so we had a fly different flight and we we like barely got an hour's sleep, right?

I think one of us might have had some metaphenol. Oh, that's right. We took that stuff. Yeah, that stuff, if you've never, like NuVigil, if you've never had, or ProVigil or NuVigil, I think they're real similar. I don't remember which one I've used. I think ProVigil is what I used. No, NuVigil. That's what I used definitely the new one and it uh it doesn't it's not speed no but it definitely gives you energy and it keeps you awake in the weirdest way

but it's like but you're making an agreement like okay here's my agreement I want to stay up um but I promise to get sleep from now on like I'll get sleep the next day I'm not going to keep using this there's not something I'm going to keep using and stay up all the time. No. No. Well, that's where you go crazy. But that's, you can use it for that. Like if you're a real crazy person, like I know some people that use that shit for writing.

They write on that shit. And they feel like without it, they don't feel like they have any energy. Yeah, man. I mean, that's the trap of all those things. Anything that's any kind of nootropic is going to do that, man. But also I think some people from the sleep deprivation, that's where they become antennas for the good ideas. They like to get in this fevered state of not sleeping for days at a time and go literally insane. And somewhere in there they write really good stuff.

That's what the news radio, the staff at news radio, they used to do that on purpose? I believe it. Paul Sims is a brilliant guy, the guy who created news radio, and he thought it would be a good idea to have a writing staff filled with a bunch of psychos who were willing to play video games and stay up until 4 o'clock in the morning every night. There was like this mad, vagabond crew of writers that he had assembled, and they would play video games and just talk shit,

and then they would start writing at like 2 a.m. sometimes. But they would come up with these amazing scripts, and the scripts were so ridiculous. Some of them were so ridiculous, and it's because they were delirious when they were writing them. They were just, instead of doing drugs, they were doing the drug of just staying awake. Dude, this is, for me, I started doing this about six months ago, maybe a little longer, waking up at 4 a.m., regardless of when I went to sleep.

I was having some insomnia, and so I started, I realized, like, shit, I'll I realized like shit I'll just like wake up when I wake up and then waking up 4 a.m if you have insomnia that is going to cure your fucking insomnia because when nighttime rolls around you're exhausted but not only that 4 a.m is like the great time for writing weird shit. Oh, yeah. Because you're still half asleep. And the stuff you write, it's like, really feels like you're tripping, you know?

Especially waking up at 4 a.m. and then like eating weed. I was doing that. So you do eat weed first and then start writing? Yeah, well, no. My system before the fucking apocalypse was, and again, I wasn't doing this every day, but I did do it for a stretch because I got into David Goggins. Oh, shit. The Goggins goggins flew man i'm waking up at four i gotta go i gotta go

but uh 4 a.m eat weed go to the gym and because i was at the gym because i was at the gym that's where i would write you were there that early well no because it would open it i got there once before the gym opened you must have felt like a savage no i didn't do because what happened was i got to the gym and then i did i felt pretty fucking cool but then i went into the car and i had like 30 minutes to blow and i'm fucking stoned man and i'm sitting there baked and i'm like fuck it i'll just like sit sit in the car and try to meditate. This is in the parking garage of the goddamn Hollywood Equinox. Now, let me tell you something, man, that area of Hollywood is already fucking weird, but I'm sitting there with my eyes closed.

I'm kind of tripping. I feel like I'm half asleep, half awake. I look over, there are two dudes creeping up to my car window creeping up there and I'm like what the fuck I was sitting in the passenger side I jumped to the driver's side started the car I'm driving through the parking garage stoned these two weirdos were definitely walking up to my car I'm like tripping I'm like what the fuck fuck I'm fuck I'm not gonna work out and so I leave and I'm like tripping. I'm like, what the fuck? Fuck. I'm not going to work out. And so I leave and I'm like, what the fuck? I'm going to let these two like 4 a.m. weird vampires stop me from working out. So I drive back in. One of them is like leaning up against a pillar, like just staring at me.

Creepy, dude. These people look like the Lost Boys or something. Well, they're probably preying on the cars of people that go to work out they're probably looking for a car to break into right and that's what like 4 a.m people that are out on meth and they know that this is assholes like to go to the gym and leave their shit in their car right there you go there you go it was terrifying but you know it those that's what you get at 4 or 5 4 to 5 a.m As you get meth heads and you get people who are trying to improve their lives It's the funniest mix of people you get people who are like, I'm not gonna waste a fucking second. I'm gonna get up early

I'm gonna exercise I'm gonna write because that's when like I mean, this is a woo idea Feel free to light that shit again, but like there's There's an idea of prana uh which is like energy and and there's more energy in the morning than there is at night so if you get up at four you're getting like the the purest most amount of this shit so that's why a lot of people meditate it really early, why a lot of monks get up really early, is because it's a, I don't know, it's just a very, it's the most psychedelic time. Way more psychedelic than midnight.

Yeah, and it has, you're having, you're exerting some form of control over your life. That especially. Right? Just that. You're exerting discipline. Like my friend Jocko, he says, discipline equals freedom. He gets up every morning at 4.30. There you go.

And he puts a photo of his watch on Instagram. And usually it says, go time or something along those lines. Get after it. That's so fucking cool. Every fucking day. It's the best. Driving, I mean, before the pandemic when there was still traffic, driving around at 4 a.m., you're awake. You're half asleep also it's i think it's

easier to work out that early because you're whatever part of you resist that shit it's just like weak you gotta be careful lifting weights in the morning you really want to warm up because you can injure yourself a little easier sometimes i didn't know that yeah because you're sleeping all night you're kind of stiff you want to warm everything up get everything going um they say that uh people lifting weights it's not the best idea to lift like your personal record deadlifts and shit like that first thing in the morning. It's just, yeah, you got to heat your body up. That makes sense. Your body's more heated up by the end of the day.

By the end of the day, you're loose. You've been walking around, doing stuff, looking forward to your workout, getting pumped, and then you can go in there and work out. I used to love jujitsu class at 8.30 p.m. For me, that was perfect. pumped and then you can go in there and work out i used to love uh jujitsu class at 8 30 p.m for me that was perfect because jujitsu was like eight at 8 30 it's like man i got plenty energy i've eaten all day you know it's like i'm not tired yet like going to bed tired but you know because back then i was going to bed at like two o'clock in the morning every every night anyway but it was like 8 30 was perfect done by 10 i'd hit the comedy store. Be on stage at 11. That's crazy.

I don't like working out at night. I loved it. Loved it. It's great because you have energy. But it's easy to do because you wake up at noon and just fucking stumble out of bed. Do whatever bullshit you have to do that day. If I have my day off. If I'm doing stand-up at night. It's easy.

Just eat and hang out and then eventually work out. But if you get up in the morning, you get a little bit of a victory. Yeah, man. A little bit of a victory just having accomplished that thing. You've gotten up and then next thing you know,

you're doing chin-ups. Maybe you're doing chin-ups. You don't do any chin-ups? Well, I could do like two. Then do two. More of what it would be is like me sitting on those nice couches

equinox writing because like i so don't want to work out yeah i would procrastinate and that's what i realized is like i do my best writing at the gym that's hilarious so do you bring a little notebook with you yeah i just started bringing my gear there to write and then i would just sit and write and i would spend so much time writing because if that part of you that doesn't want to work out would rather write yeah it's like when you have to write and you find yourself cleaning it's that you know you can like sort of convert your procrastination into something positive yeah yeah that's interesting then I would go work out you know but I would like I was so when I was doing that, man, I was getting the best ideas. I was just running on the treadmill stoned, you know, 530 or whenever the fucking gym open. And I was listening to this like I started listening to that was when I was listening to Goggins.

So I'd be blasted listening to Goggins running on the fucking treadmill. Yeah. Fuck yeah. I'm going to do an ultra fucking marathon. How about that? I'm gonna do an ultra fucking marathon how about that i'm never gonna do ultra marathon you listen to him too and he's aware that people like me are gonna be hypnotized by him because he's like don't do what i'm doing you can kill yourself are just exploding how many people do you think have collapsed at the gym because of David Goggins? I bet like, what, 30,000 people have just driven themselves. Yeah, for sure. There's probably a lot of blown out knees out there.

Blown out knees. Fucked up backs. Torn biceps. That guy will run with his foot falling off. That book is really good. What's that? It's called Can't Hurt Me. Can't Hurt Me.

Yeah. Jeez. It's amazing he like sews his calf muscle back on with twigs and becomes a navy seal he's a badass man 100 that guy could like i could like if that guy wanted to like burrow into an elephant he could like he's a good dude too i like hanging out with him he must be i've hung out with him a few times. Gone to dinner a few times. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He went to the fights a couple times. He's a good

dude. He's a fun guy. I enjoy him. Me and my friend think he's enlightened. He's something. He's something special. There's a switch that that guy has that we all wish we had where he can power through, but also he's a beacon of inspiration. For other people, when David Gog's a beacon of inspiration for other people when

David Goggins does the shit that he does and when he has those speeches while he's running, you know? It's like someone's talking to him, it was like 104 degrees outside, and he goes why are you running? He goes, I'll tell you why I'm running, because you're not, motherfucker! He goes, that's why I'm running and you know and he's out there just i mean he's he's constantly doing it like he's constantly pushing himself that's what i love to me that's the he's like

a servant in that way he's a servant he's a servant to the world he's he's not just like he's really giving people because like he's he posts pictures of himself when he was like sort of fat all the time man i'm like yeah he's showing people like look this is the possibility at any moment you can do this at any moment and i love that because i do i know when i see him like he's like running through glass he's running like you know he's like running through like swarms of mosquitoes and malarial swamps just to show people look it doesn't the part of you that's telling you that you can't do this because of x in your environment is probably wrong not all the time but for sure man

a lot of the time wrong a lot of time and that for a lot of us that's like so powerful like i've met of all the self-help books i've listened to i listened to on audible that's the best one by far hands down that's the best one man but because it's real it's not from a guy who really hasn't done anything that's trying to get you motivated to go out there and conquer in life it's from a guy who's actually done some really fucking crazy shit and is telling you that you can do it too and that he used to be weak. Yeah. He's doing something right now because Cameron Haynes' son, Truett,

is trying to break Goggins' 24-hour chin-up record. So Goggins was at, I think it's on Cameron Haynes' Instagram page. See if he put the Cameron Haynes Instagram page see if he let put the video on his Instagram page but he was at some ungodly number of chin-ups what when they were making the video he's trying to break that break that yeah he's like I've been doing chin-ups for nine hours straight fuck that he was that like 1,500 chin-ups or something stupid crazy yeah and he still had all those hours to go.

So I think it might even be like a two-day thing. I don't know how many days they're supposed to be doing this. But it's some... Does he have it in there with Goggins? Is there a video of Goggins doing chin-ups? I mean, the stories have got... I hope I'm not releasing any information that shouldn't get out. Is this live again?

Nope. Oh, there you go. Can't find it? Eh, whatever. Anyway. You want to see this show? I would love to see your show. So anyway, shout out to Truett.

Good luck, Truett. Shout out to Goggins. I hope they battle. All right. This thing, Netflix. What's it called? It's called The Midnight Gospel. The Midnight Gospel with Duncan Trussell.

And Pendleton Ward, the guy who made Adventure Time. Beautiful. It comes out 420. Look at that. Netflix. This has never been seen. It's exclusive for your show they gave us permission goodness this is joey diaz is in this and this is uh a podcast i did taking off my

glasses yeah i gotta take mine this is a podcast i did with damien uh eccles do you know that is he was like in the group of kids who got accused of murdering someone in the woods. There's a whole. No. Oh, yeah. There's like a whole documentary about him on, I think, HBO. It's like basically he with this dude. I had him on my podcast. He wrote a book on magic.

He practices magic. But. Jesus, Duncan. He was on death row and they did a DNA test that exonerated him. But he was about to be executed. He's on death row studying Zen Buddhism. A Zen priest was working with him to basically prepare him for his death. So he was badly beaten on death row.

He was almost executed. Then he was exonerated because of DNA. But we did this interview before the show, obviously. And this is just a way that we figured out to take podcasts and put them in. Hey, once he gets exonerated, before we start this, does he get, do they have to pay him? I don't know. It's a great question. I think maybe part of it that they may i'm not i don't want to say because

i have no idea i have no idea i think the guy's on death row yeah wrong i mean it seems like you owe him something well yeah he's literally innocent yeah i would think actual innocent person that you almost killed and then you treat you made their life hell yeah imagine the torture of knowing you didn't do something but being accused of that thing. Well, I know, man. And knowing it's going to cost you your life and you really didn't do it. Yeah. All right, let's play it.

You know how in certain Buddhist traditions, like, say, Tibetan Buddhism, they talk about, what's the word they use? Empowerment? Sure. You know, it's like a current of energy that is passed along from master to student. Ceremonial magic is the exact same thing. The Knights Templar started receiving this current whenever they were over there.

That's how it makes its way back to Europe. Eventually, it makes its way to the United States through the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which was the order that Crowley was a member of before he, you know, went off to the O.T.O. You had MacGregor Mathers, Dion Fortune, the poet W.B. Yeats. All of these people were members of the Golden Dawn. That's how this current makes its way to the U.S. One second. Hey, Steve! What the fuck? You need to shine that light in my fucking eyes? If that's how you're going to talk to customers, I'll just take my ship full of cats and find another junk island.

A ship full of cats? Ah, shit. My apologies! Look at all these wonderful gifts and gadgets here. We got a fresh printer, time slapper, and some cans, and...

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All right. You're taking flakes out of my minnow's mouth, but fine. Four it is. Send them over. So Duncan Trussell. That's so bizarre. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, man. It was the craziest thing working on that show with Pendleton

because we throw the word genius around, but the guy's an actual genius so it was like really really really cool to get to do just so I'm sorry to interrupt you but it's so it's a combination of your podcast and then some interstitial stuff like you that you is like scripted it's yeah it's like basically my character is this guy clancy who lives in a place called the chromatic ribbon where people use multiverse simulators to simulate universes so that they go inside and harvest the technology and sell it and so my character has a malfunctioning used multiverse simulator that isn't really working to produce technology. And because it's malfunctioning, every single world in it is going through some kind of apocalypse. And so my character goes into his simulator and interviews people in the dying world.

So that's basically the idea of the show. So we took podcast dialogue. It's basically what happens during the apocalypse, what's going to happen? People are going to do podcasts. People are going to still have conversations. So these conversations, we just set them in these surreal universes where shit's melting down. And, you know, where like Clancy meets these various people and kind of learns from them. What's crazy is you started this a long time ago and it's coming to fruition right when the apocalypse hits.

I know, dude. That's the thing. It's like a little on the nose. I mean, you know. It's on the nose. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's almost like, it's almost like you knew.

It's almost like you had a time. And then the universe is like, this is a perfect time for Duncan shit to come out. And let's coincide it. I mean, just look at how bizarre your show is. How strange. And then the fact that it's a hybrid of podcast conversations and then written stuff.

So strange. It's a perfect time for it. Yeah, I think strange yeah man perfect time for it yeah you know i think it is a perfect time for it and i hope like because some of the like every guest we we chose for this they all had this like really like amazing thing to say like eckles in this episode one of the things he says you know i asked him like do you feel like you kind of like're blessed that you ended up in solitary confinement because that's where he woke up. That's where he started meditating That's where he started studying magic That's where he started working on himself because there was nothing else to do right and in this one He says like I feel luckier than some Millennials out there right now who are like completely

Disconnected because that's the coolest thing about him is you would expect a person who'd been on death row to be bitter he's the sweetest most genuine wonderful person ever and it's like whatever went on in the situation of being on the brink of the abyss where he's about to get murdered by the state for something he didn't do something about that didn't turn him into someone who was like shell-shocked or angry but like really turned him into like someone very compassionate and and i guess grateful for his life you know and that to me like it's like he's like the the Goggins of death row I mean if you can be not bitter after being on death row for something you didn't do and Like getting physically assaulted, you know, just wondering every day if you were gonna die if like you can still maintain an attitude

of service or Contribution to society in some way or another than any of us can any of us can you know like any of us can and to me that's like I think that's I hope some of that stuff trickles out from the show into the world right now especially man right now especially when you say studies magic what do you mean by that so well he wrote a great book called high magic which is I think that's what's called it's a fantastic book on magic is really the wrong word for it. There's an entire like mythos or religion that got sort of wiped out by, Terrence McKenna talks about it a lot.

It got kind of wiped out by, you know, superstition. wiped out by um i get you know superstition so witchcraft as we understand it now because of hollywood is like you know ladies riding around on brooms and shit but it just used to be mid midwifery it used to be like healing women who would like deliver babies and stuff really and but these these were all connected to they're all at pagan roots. And so essentially, you can follow back this branch of data that some people say started in Sumeria or Egypt, ways of meditating, ways of connecting with the universe that are ritualistic in nature, but seem mysterious to us. Because even though, like, if you want to see what it looks like, just look at a Catholic mass. You're looking at a ceremony. It's theurgy, I guess you'd call it. That is a magical ceremony where bread gets converted into the flesh of a God that you eat. So that's, you're watching, they're all wearing robes, they're burning incense. So that is magic. That's what ceremonial

magic looks like. It's non- That's what ceremonial magic looks like. It's non-different from ceremonial magic. Someone in the Catholic Church might tell you, this isn't magic. This is me praying to the infinite and asking for forgiveness. That's magic. You're connecting with a divine intelligence. You're hoping from your connection with the divine intelligence to produce some change in your own psychology in your own life and maybe

create good fortune or whatever it is you're praying for healing uh whatever it may be that's magic so magic is that and that it's i'm not saying the Catholic Catholicism would necessarily be considered a branch of magic. I mean, one of the things he said in this interview is like if the Bible is one of the most powerful, magical grimoires there is. I mean, you read that shit. If you really look in it, there's all kinds of bizarre stuff that doesn't seem to make it onto Christian radio. Like what? bizarre stuff that doesn't seem to make it onto Christian radio. Like what? Well, like when in the book of Genesis, it's why are they saying, why do they refer to themselves as a plurality? When God's talking, it's not like if when they're saying like, why do we throw Adam and Eve out of the garden? It's we, if we don't do something about this, they will become like us. We, there's a plurality

that's being mentioned there. And so what is that plurality? like us. We, there's a plurality that's being mentioned there. And so what is that plurality? So throughout the Bible, there's mentions of angels, the book of Ezekiel, the famous one that ufologists go to, is there's all these contacts with angels, hyperdimensional beings that have some data set they want to bring to the world. Quite often, depending on what book you're in, it's some terrifying prophecy about the end of the world that's coming. But sometimes it's some message of hope or some message of healing. So you could say magic is a non-Christian oriented method for connecting with those various entities using ritual. That's one branch of it.

Now, I'm not saying, by the way, these beings exist or don't exist, but you could say, if you wanted to get like psychological, you could say we have buried inside of us archetypes, bits of the collective that are buried deep inside of us, and that there are ways to connect to these little fragments of the collective mind. And, you know, many people know, have their own method for doing that. One of the methods to do that might be doing a ritual. And for a moment, allowing yourself to imagine that you're trying to talk to an extra dimensional being. Aleister Crowley famously did one of these rituals and contacted a God. What was I can't remember what the being was called, but it looks like a gray alien.

This is before people were talking about gray aliens. Well, you look that up. Did he draw it? He drew it. There's a drawing of it. Yeah. And it looks like a gray alien. What year was this?

It's like the 1800s. Aleister Crowley was in the 1800s? Yeah, right? 1800s, 1900s? Dude, when you keep pulling at your ghillie suit, you remind me of a drunk, overweight girl with large breasts that keeps adjusting her halter top like you're in Florida outside drinking at some motel. We're having a great night.

I told that motherfucker, I'm going to leave you. I'm going to leave you, Clarence. I'm tired of your bullshit. I told him with a cigarette in her hand, wow, look at that drawing by Aleister Crowley. Yeah. That does look like a gray alien. Yeah, man. That's what we're going to look like, man.

Let's cut the shit. Right? That's what we're going to look like. gonna look like right when you when you see people that are hairy and and and brutish you we think of them as being like closer to prehistoric man right yeah I see a guy covered in hair he looks more like a beast yeah and when we see people that are thinner and more slender they become more more a gentle version of people and we associate that oftentimes with intelligence. We associate directly associate intelligence with frailty,

right? We all do that. When you see some, some super genius guy, usually they're frail, right? Occasionally they're bad asses, but there's a lot of those super genius guys that couldn't fight their way out

of a wet paper bag. Well, Hawking's the ultimate example because his body literally failed him while he was coming up with his greatest discoveries. Yeah. So this is our future. That's right. We're going to have big heads.

They're going to fucking crisper your way into a head that lets you live in any dimension you want at any time. You transport yourself from one planet to the other. Imagine what we've done with our stupid monkey brains now imagine it was 150 larger 150 more brain and then incorporated all sorts of fucking electronics that lets you interface with space time around you and all kinds of other wacky ways of communicating we couldn't even possibly imagine now just like people from the 1800s couldn't have ever possibly imagined cell phones right and this is the idea is like okay we're going to go there and then when we get there the way we understand space-time is going to be different than the way we understand it now yeah so what that means is theoretically you could

connect or communicate with a being that is outside of space time, which is a future version of us right now, using like various methods. DMT being one of the big ones on the planet right now, but also using other methods that are a little bit more precise. Because with DMT, it's kind of like you're not really putting in GPS coordinates necessarily. Some people do it with intention, like a shaman will do it with intention and can like, you know, excuse me, can you give me another Bloody Mary? I told you, Clarence, I'll fucking leave you. Cigarette in your hand, flip flops on, I will fucking leave you. Clarence, if you keep summoning these demons, I am out of here. Clarence is over there with Miller Lite Miller light. You ain't going nowhere.

Just stop. Just fucking stop. You always do this. She gets drunk. She says she's leaving. I'm going to fucking leave you. I'm out of here, Clarence. Clarence, I'm going to fucking leave you, you son of a bitch.

I'm putting on my ghillie suit and going down to Tampa. You son of a bitch. I'm going to visit my family in Clearwater. I'm out of here, Clarence. It's over. Anyway, yeah, maybe you can connect through time and space to these things that are already here. Like our understanding of time and space, we're locked in, man. But like, so magic is like ridiculous on one level as it absolutely sounds and is on one level. On another level is at the very least a creative technique so that you can sort of summon a

dream state while you're awake with the intent of causing some change in the world around you using, for a lot of people, what would be considered a non-standard way. Well, just in terms of your perception of how you view the world, you can alter that pretty radically. I mean, from someone who has an amazingly positive perception versus someone who has an amazingly negative perception, you look at the results. Right.

Overwhelming benefit of being a positive person. Overwhelming. There's something to thoughts and ideas that propel you in a good way and for having a good architecture, for having a good philosophy, having a good operating manual for how you view the world and how you act and behave. Part of that's you getting up at four o'clock in the morning. That's what that is. You're like enforcing your ability to sort of dictate the positive aspects of your future.

You're deciding to take action. You're strengthening your bond with the with the way you interface with current reality and i was doing it rich i mean not ritualistically why stop what the fuck oh christmas god listen man if you want to meet me here i'll meet you here we could do some 5 a.m sessions i'd love that man i mean yeah i would love that let's do it i'm 100 down yeah come down here we'll get pumped we'll put Slayer on and fucking rock out. Rock. I'm down.

What else do we have to do? What else do we have to do? It would be a great thing. Look, I'll tell you one thing, though. I am enjoying not going out. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying being home most of the day other than the days I do podcasts. But not doing shows at night gives you so much more energy.

Yeah. Oh, my God. It's crazy. Like, can you feel, like, rested? Feel good. I fucking love it, man. I get to be with my son more. It's, like, really nice. The place we just moved into, whoever lived there before us had a flourishing garden.

So I've just been going out back, pulling spinach out of the ground. Oh, wow. I know, man. So they left you food. They left us food. That's pretty dope. Yeah. That's such a smart thing if you have a yard.

I get mad at myself for not having a garden. I don't have a garden right now. I've had one in the past, but I don't have a garden right now. Yeah. I think it's like, especially now, we should realize like, man, you should have food in a freezer somewhere and you should have a garden. That's right. And a gun.

I got some elk for you. Do you really? Oh, yeah. Man, the Trussells would be very grateful for some elk. I bought a box of these insulated freezer bags for people too. Dude, thank you. Yeah, that's a nice aspect of being a hunter because you get hundreds of pounds of meat from one animal.

So you can share that with a lot of people. It makes me feel real good that I'm giving some to people. Then they send me pictures of cooked food. I'm like, Tom Papa just sent me this picture. Really? This roast that he cooked. Yeah, he's an elk fiend now. Tom Papa eats a shitload of elk.

Well, I don't think I've ever had elk. You'd love it. It's delicious. I'm going to give you a bunch of different kinds, but the sausage is the easiest to make. Cool. So easy. You just pan fry it. You can do it in butter. I easiest to make. Cool. So easy. You just pan fry it. You can do it in butter.

I prefer to do it in beef tallow. I just sear it in beef tallow. My favorite way to do it is I get it to like a medium temperature, and then I put tomato sauce in it. And I let it simmer in the tomato sauce. Man, you're the best. Baby. That's going to be so cool for my kid to have apocalyptic Rogan elk. That's going to be the best to bring back elk during a pandemic to your family.

Well, that's an elk that died from a shot from a bow and arrow. There's something about that to me that there's more power to the meat. It's like not more power in that that it's like a powerful thing do more power in that like I Know what that animal was that animals a wild beast evading predators and me a stupid doughy Human being managed to sneak into range where I could hit it and kill it in one shot with a bow and arrow I even have a video of it that my friend Cam Haynes took. So I have this animal that dropped, and then we took it apart and butchered it,

and now I eat it. When I eat it, I think of what that animal was. That animal lived a majestic life. And if I didn't take it out, it would have gotten taken out by mountain lions or bears, or it would have froze to death in the winter. Sometimes that happens. Their teeth get ground down. And there's an older male too, which is what you want to get

because those are the ones that have passed their DNA down. So there's a story to that meat, and there's a connection to that meat, and there's no risk from that meat. When you're thinking about the risk to society of these kind of diseases that happen through agriculture, I think one of the reasons why that is is because it's not natural ever for animals to be stuffed together like that so when it is nature is just like fuck you for breaking the rules and then these viruses start spreading it's almost like that's what it is for being unnatural because the those kind of diseases

don't exist that much in animals in nature. They do sometimes, like brucellosis. Like some buffalo have brucellosis. It's a bad disease that cattle can get. And then it can infect the cattle and sometimes elk have it too. Like there's a few diseases. Like animals always have diseases. But it seems like those ones that jump to people,

the vast majority of them have come from us treating animals in a very unnatural way. That's true. But, dude, I don't mean to get all conspiratorial here, but isn't it a little weird that Wuhan is where that virology laboratory was? Yeah, it is. Yeah. I mean, like, I don't know. To me, they're just— It's weird, but it's also weird that there's bats laying on the floor there.

Good point. That's weird, too. And we know for a fact that diseases jump from- They're tracing these things. This is what's fucked up. Michael Osterholm, who was on- He's an expert in infectious diseases and viruses and stuff like that. He was explaining to us how they know certain diseases are morphing

and they're changing. They become more and more human-like. And they were talking about this, actually, this one that deer get. That's called CWD. And it's called chronic wasting disease. And they first discovered it. My friend Doug Duren sent me a synopsis of when they first discovered it. But I believe it existed in, like, the 1980s is when they first started seeing it in animals.

But it was like a mule deer here, an animal there. But now it's infected like a giant population of deer in the Midwest. And they don't really have a cure for it. It's fatal 100% of the time. And it hasn't made the jump to people. But it could. And they're scared. And Michael Osterholm was saying basically these things are morphing all the time. people but it could and they're scared and michael osterholm

was saying is basically these things are morphing all the time they're becoming more and more human like they're becoming more and more like something that can invade the human host see that bro that's terrifying terrifying terrifying and i think there's a battle constantly going on between these things that hog up too much resources and take up too much of a population slice like humans. We're on every goddamn rock everywhere. And nature tries to throw curveballs at you. I mean, that's what nature does. Nature's like, what are you doing? You're living in your own shit?

Oh, great. Here's the plague. You know, like that's what's happened throughout history with whether it is with poor sanitation or whether it was, you know, animal agriculture, whatever the fuck it is. People have caught weird diseases throughout time, whether it's different animals can bite you and give you Ebola, you know, that kind of shit. These mean these weird diseases have existed forever. And they're basically the same as like viral panthers. Right. What's a panther? A panther is had to make sure there's not too many deer yeah the panther is the fucking cleanup crew because if it wasn't for that there would be fucking deer everywhere like you're from north carolina yeah you know what it's like

in the country it's crazy sometimes because north carolina doesn't have any mountain lions north carolina doesn't have any wolves so like maybe they have a little bit of wolves. But not a lot, right? They got some bears. And they got a lot of deer. They're fucking everywhere. Like New York State, they have a terrible situation with deer. And like Long Island.

There's parts of Long Island that were infested with deer. And they're like, what are we doing? We can't. We're going to just shoot them? Just going to go out and shoot? They're trying to give them birth control control they're thinking about giving deers birth control oh shit yes because there's no animals out there to eat them so they just keep fucking just keep fucking and overpopulating did you read the stand yes i did remember that see that was one

of the things he talks about is how is they're going down the highway they would hit like herds of deer so thick oh that's right it would like block the highway, they would hit like herds of deer so thick. Oh, that's right. It would like block the highway because they were like starting to overpopulate there because there was no one there to like cull the herd. Dude, I had a gig once when I was living in New York and it was in western Massachusetts. So western Massachusetts, if you are in New York where I was in New Rochelle, you could get there in a few hours. It was like two and a half, three hours or something like that. You get to where this area is and where the fucking gig was was so infested with deer I've

never seen anything like it in my life you're driving down the street and it was probably it was hot out so it's probably the summer so I was driving down the street and these things are just jumping in front of the car left and right. I was like, this is nuts. Coming home on the highway was terrifying. I had to go 30 miles an hour on the highway just with my foot hovering, just ready to stomp on the brakes because these motherfuckers were just running in front of the highway. I saw a hundred of them. I saw them all over the place.

I might have seen 200 of them driving home. Everywhere you looked, there was fucking deer. Why? Because there's no predators it's an imbalance and eventually something's going to happen and one of the things that has happened is lyme disease these fucking deer have spread this terrible disease to so many people out there through the ticks yeah the ticks have jumped from the the deer because there's so many of them there's fucking ticks everywhere because they're well fed and like some ungodly percentage of these ticks have fucking lyme disease right and they jump on people and they give it to people and the people

get sick you know and then the people have to have a reaction to these deer so they want to go out and slaughter the deer because it's almost like nature is trying to balance itself out right or is but i mean like you know for us the goddamn covid19 is the worst thing that's happened to people in their lifetime in the sense like this shit we're experiencing right now is completely unique. Yeah. For COVID-19, I guess it's the equivalent of humans like colonizing another planet like that fucking virus. Just like what it did is for it's amazing. Like it finally made its way out of one biome into another. It pulled it off.

Whoever was down there mutating, somebody had the great idea to like do whatever they did. I guess it's like to create a way to connect to those two receptors. What's it called? It's like it connects to these two. Anyway, I don't know. I wouldn't know what the fuck I'm talking about. That's OK. But what it did is so spectacular for the virus. It connects to these two. Anyway, I wouldn't know what the fuck I'm talking about. That's okay.

But what it did is so spectacular for the virus. What's a catastrophe for humans, it's glory for the COVID-19 superorganism that's now sweeping through the human biome. Yeah, and you know what else it did that's really interesting? It made it so that it doesn't give you any symptoms and you're still contagious for days. The worst case scenario. So you can just keep spreading it. Yeah. I was reading a friend sent me an email

from Aspen where apparently there's one Australian tourist, a bunch of Australian tourists had it but one guy refused to quarantine and he went skiing and went to restaurants, rode the bus. What a dick. It's like a movie. But it's a movie, right?

Like that's what happens in a movie. There's this new thing going around and this guy's like, fuck that. I'm here to ski. Yeah. He's like, I'm here to ski. I'm going to eat. I'm going to a restaurant. I'm riding the bus.

Fuck it. Wow. What a dick. But that's in the movie. That's what happens, right? There's a guy who's in the lab and they're like, you have to be quarantined in the bus. Fuck it. Wow. What a dick. But that's in the movie. That's what happens, right? There's a guy who's in the lab, and they're like, you have to be quarantined in the lab. And the guy's like, fuck this. I'm going outside.

And he has a cigarette. And then something bites him and runs off. And then that thing carries it in its teeth and bites a person. And the next thing, it spreads to people and bugs. And next thing you know, it's a fucking epidemic. And it goes through this. And then it turns everybody into zombies. Yeah. Right? That's 28 days later, right? Was it a monkey?

They were working on some sort of a disease and the monkey got out. It was PETA. Rage. It was like some it was an animal rights group trying to free monkeys that had an experimental shit had been pumped into them and the monkeys like attack the people trying to save them and those people

instantly turn into zombies and spread through the planet. Well, I was reading about this mountain lion that tried to attack this I think it was a police officer. Someone. I forget who. But the cops had to wind up shooting the mountain lion. But the mountain lion had rabies. Now, how crazy

is rabies? Rabies tricks you into biting people to give them rabies. Like raccoons. into biting people to give them rabies. Like raccoons. Raccoons are usually terrified of people. They just run up on you when they got rabies, squirrels, rats, all sorts of things. They're not scared of you at all. They'll just fucking jack you if they have rabies.

They come after you and you're like, what the fuck is going on? Well, that thing is trying to give you its disease. It's a zombie movie. And if you don't go to a doctor, if you go to a doctor, they can fix it. But if you don't go to a doctor if you go to a doctor they can fix it But if you don't go to a doctor rabies is fatal. It's just straight-up fatal There's like one person ever that survived from rabies and he probably wishes he didn't why she probably was horrific Probably I mean, I don't know I don't even know it's permanent like But there's very few cases of people surviving. It's more than 99% fatal.

Rabies is a terrible disease to die from apparently too. Oh, it looks fucking awful, man. But there's a lot of animals that have it and they want to bite you. That's so crazy. It's so crazy. It makes normally animals that are afraid of people, it makes them aggressive to people. Well, I mean, dude, did you read that thing about that guy who like knew he had AIDS and was infecting people on purpose? He was like getting off on like giving people AIDS. Like, you wonder how much of that was his decision and how much of it was some dark mutation where it started. Yes.

I mean, because think of like, okay, I don't know. It's trying to spread. I know you do this. I do it. I try not to do it as much, but the spreading of bad news. Like you hear some bad thing that just happened. This person died. This catastrophe happened. You get on the phone and call someone. You're like, hey, did you hear? And there's this weird rush in like spreading the bad news.

You're kind of getting off on it. So in the same way your idea swarm concept, it's the same thing with bad news you you become a carrier for the darkness and so you call it now i'm not saying don't tell people when awful shit's going on but sometimes i notice i'll go through periods where all i'm doing is telling people about shit they should be afraid of you know spreading and usually the way you do it is through some story about what's happening in the world. That's really a form of contagion, you know, and then that spreads and spreads and spreads and spreads. And then everyone's freaked the fuck out. And who knows, man, maybe that creates the condition of sleepiness or sleepwalking that we need for these viruses to appear.

You know, I wonder what it is that's so attractive to us about breaking the news i don't know did you hear who died i used to hear what happened in india when michael jackson died i've made a point of every single one who called me you're gonna tell them i know and they're like do you hear i'm like no what just to get them off to let them have the moment of like i hadn't heard yet like holy shit really that's hilarious wow wow no you've got to be fucking kidding me you're joking right because it's like that you know for them i don't know what that feeling is that's hilarious do it the next time some awful thing happens like give your friends the satisfaction people are gonna know now they going to hear this podcast.

They're going to know I used your trick. It's true though, man. What is the rush of telling people? I don't know. It's probably built into us, right? Because it's like a survival thing. Like if you were in a community and you knew a fire was coming, you want to tell people.

So there's probably some reward mechanism. The worst is when someone told you, but you forgot they told you. So you try to tell them and they're like, I told you. Oh, you shitty listener. I broke the news to you. My wife does that to me all the time. She's like, I told you, dummy. I'm like, oh, no.

I hate that feeling. That's the worst. When you get caught not listening. You're like, yeah, I knew. I. That's the worst. When you get caught not listening. You're like, yeah, I knew. I was just saying it again. Yeah. Yeah, you tried some pathetic escape from your lack of fucking. From your failure.

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I didn't really fail. I did it to myself. No, I knew exactly. I remember what you were saying. I know, I know, I know. I'm just talking out loud. That's the worst.

My wife has done that. Actually, where she's like, wait, well, what did I just say? And you're like, you were talking about the baby. Oh, yeah. Dude, when people are around each other all the time, they learn how to filter each other out. They have to. You need your alone space. And sometimes you get it while you're still there.

You get it while you're still there by zoning out. You just got to be present more than you are doing that that's right that's that seems to be the key you got a zone man it's okay to zone like don't get into some ridiculous definitely don't beat yourself up for zoning no well especially as a creative person i think zoning spacing out sometimes and just being bored sometimes where the best ideas come from yeah because you can you can sit around and think about things like today we're never bored i mean this is And spacing out sometimes and just being bored sometimes is where the best ideas come from. Yeah. Because you can sit around and think about things. Like today we're never bored. I mean this is a common complaint about people when they're talking about one of the consequences,

unintended consequences of social media addiction is that you're never bored. And that being bored is actually probably not a bad thing because it fills your head up with ideas. You start thinking about things and occasionally you're thinking about things that are good that you might not have thought of if you're just staring at people's butts on instagram that's right yeah boredom well that's like the guy i work with you like with meditation this guy david nickturn what he taught he teaches me about boredom it's a buddhist concept hot boredom and cool boredom there's two types of boredom one of them is where you're like man that's like the addictive boredom where you're like, I'm going to get out. I got to get, you know, I'm bored, but there's this sense of like, ah, the other type of boredom, cool boredom. That's more like what you're talking about, which is like just being okay where you're at

in the moment, but admitting to yourself, this is boring. Like that's one of the things, it's boring. Like I'm bored right now. YouTube videos are more fun. I'm going to go see something crazy on YouTube. See a car chase. Yeah. Do you ever go to your phone when you wake up at night? Do you do that?

Is that your go-to? When I wake up at night? Do you ever wake up at night? I do, and I try to go back to sleep. I never just stay up. I just go back to sleep. See, that's what I... Man, I got to stop doing it because I'll wake up and the first thing I do, reach over for the phone, start looking

at it, waiting to get sleepy again. It doesn't make you sleepy. It wakes you up. It wakes you up. Yeah, it's not good. It stimulates that area of your brain that gets lit up by electronics. It's so exciting and stimulating. Next thing you know, you're awake. I do the smoke pot thing too and then write. But sometimes I do the smoke pot and workout thing and then it becomes the smoke pot and write thing just because the rush right after you get high is like those are where the best ideas come from. And I feel like you got to grab those fuckers while you have them. And if it means postponing your workout for an hour like that's actually the smart thing to do it's the the the dumb thing to do to go through the workout first because especially if you got high because those ideas they're coming hard and fast for like the

first part of the high and you probably won't get them like that for the rest of the high so while you go from being straight sober to the big rush that you get in the beginning that's when all my best ideas come from it's the big rush which is like an hour from getting high to an hour later that's the big rush that's when i feel like i get the most like where the fuck did that come from ideas yeah and the best writing like when i write things it's like the cleanest the the filled with the gems. There's more stuff in it. And then the other stuff is like editing it and putting it apart and taking it apart. But if you don't capitalize on that rush, I feel like you only get one of those a day.

One big, especially like if you're sober and then you get high, that one first high rush of the day, that doesn't last that long. And if you keep staying high, I don't think it's the same I think staying high you sort of settle in right yeah yeah but the rush of just getting high like wow yeah so many ideas if you wasted that by doing chin-ups you're an asshole just agree go right right and then we'll live afterwards yeah for sure man I mean this is yeah you've got a harvest when yeah when it's when the when the when the wheat is growing you've got to harvest you can't just but it's easy to trick

yourself into thinking oh no i've got to stick to my fucking workout or whatever the thing is it's not just working out it's like whatever i think it's important to prioritize those moments i mean especially if you're uh going with your like with what a lot of people say, which is this, the antenna idea. You're a receiver. You're picking up signals. You're like SETI, but not for aliens, for ideas. And these search for extraterrestrial ideas.

That's what you are. You're a satellite for that. And if you start getting, I mean, imagine SETI. He is. That's what you are. You're a satellite for that. And if you start getting, I mean, imagine SETI, imagine someone at SETI doing chin-ups and suddenly they get like some signal from a far star system. And he's like, I'm going to finish my workout before I check out whether or not we're getting contacted by aliens. That's an asshole. If you're, cause the real question is where do your ideas come from? Exactly. And if you're picking up whatever these creatures are and you've been blessed enough to get them. Yeah, you should write them down.

Write them down. It's kind of like I mean, not I don't like you got to honor them. Honor them. Right. Yeah. You got to act on them. I mean, that's why people that think of the muse like the concept of the muse. That's one of the more it's a productive way to think of the muse like the concept of the muse that's one of the more it's a productive

way to think of it like pressfield writes about it and pressfield in the war of art and he's you know he's a very down-to-earth he's not a it's not a silly man he's a very down-to-earth person but his perspective on the concept of the muse it is it's very beneficial if you follow it because his perspective is essentially that you pay honor to this thing. You show up and you do the work like a professional, and then it responds in turn. It comes to you. And then these are what – it's like we think of an idea, even though it's one of the most important factors in the entire construction of civilization. But somehow or another, we don't think of it as that.

We think of people being that. And we are, but we're being used by ideas. I know that sounds crazy. I really do. I know it sounds dumb too. But you're coming up with these thoughts and we're thinking of them as like random connections that you're making in your brain which might be it

might be that but it also might be that ideas are like a life form from another dimension that's trying to manifest itself in our current realm and they do so through getting into people's heads and the more you call for them the more they're there for you and the more you show up and you can call that the muse you can call that whatever you want angels Tesla believed it Tesla believes some he was getting signals from some other some other yeah some other planet or some other life forms he had some weird shit that he wrote that's hard to decipher about what he see if you can find that cuz that's a very interesting thing Jamie see if you can find what a

Tesla like Tesla had a take on receiving information from other galaxies. He had this take on where some of his inventions were coming from. It's like what? Or some of the transmissions that he would receive. I mean, god damn, it wouldn't have been amazing to talk to that guy. Yes. Imagine having Nikola tesla on the podcast oh oh who knows man maybe you still can one day maybe we can bring him back yeah bring

him back or like create an ai tesla i think a lot of people have that feeling and some of them just don't come out of the closet so to speak with it because they're afraid they're going to get judged or ostracized. I think a lot of people feel like they have a direct contact with some kind of sentience that isn't embodied inside of them and it's giving them ideas and they're just terrified to put it out to the world because it sounds like you're fucking nuts. His claims of receiving signals from outer space were proven right a century later. Ooh. During the summer of 1899,

Tesla set up a field laboratory in Colorado Springs, Colorado to the possibilities of using high-altitude stations to transmit information and electric power over long distances. One July... This is not what we're talking about. This is about the signals, not like him getting... I went too quickly on that. Oh, okay.

Where is the signals? This is like radio signals. Oh, that he was getting radio signals from other planets. After the ruling out... I think this is about sending... After ruling out solar and terrestrial causes, he concluded the signals must be from another planet. He had a seizure and had a vision, which is what, like that's a...

Yeah, here it says, one July day while tracking lightning storms. Oh, so it's actually equipment. His equipment picked up a series of beeps. After ruling out solar and terrestrial causes, he concluded the signals must be from another planet. The following Christmas, in response to the American Red Cross's request for a prediction of the greatest scientific achievement of the coming century, Tesla wrote, brethren, we have a message from another world, unknown and remote. It reads, one, two, three.

In 1996, scientists published a study replicating Tesla's experiment and showing that the signal was in fact caused by the moon low passing through Jupiter's magnetic field. Holy fuck. fact caused by the moon low passing through jupiter's magnetic field holy fuck he was picking up a moon passing through jupiter's magnetic field yeah but he had woo ideas too man oh yeah he was in love with a pigeon he's in love with a pigeon not just that though he like i think he did think he was in contact with like some of sentient intelligence, for sure. Why not? Why wouldn't you think? If you're that smart, imagine how smart he was in comparison to a regular dope.

Hey, mister, you want to buy a paper? You know, those people from back then. Some fucking dude selling papers in the corner. And then the greatest genius the world's ever known up to that point. Yeah. Wandering around, trying to figure out how to send electricity through the sky. Maybe that's all intelligence is, though, man, is like having the willingness to let yourself go crazy enough to believe you're not the creator of your ideas, to believe

that you're an antenna. Maybe that's what makes a person intelligent. Maybe that's all it takes, that and discipline. Well, yeah, the discipline to learn all the things that you need to know to be able to study and actually implement that technology. It's like Tesla was both things. He was a genius and he was probably some sort of a visionary in that way. Like he had, like Elon has, he had an extra large magnet for ideas.

Yeah. Dude. I think anyone can do that. How strong is this weed? Fucking strong, man. I think anyone can do that. How strong is this weed? Fucking strong, man. I'm so glad. Anytime you give me weed, I always forget how strong it is. And every time I'm like, fuck, man, you've got to be careful.

We go high grade up in this pitch, son. It's important to go high grade. I think so. Yeah, absolutely. What do you think is going to happen to us? Do you think we're going to get through this in relatively short order? Or do you think this is going to take five, six months? How long do you think this is going to take?

Oh, God damn. These predictions come back and haunt you. The lockdowns are crazy. Three weeks, 24 hours, stay off the streets, don't go to work. Yeah, man. I think we're probably going to – like, listen, if you go – if you if you want to hear my like just instinct, which is definitely going to be wrong. I think it's going to go. It's going to get better much faster than we expect. I don't know why I think that I have no reason to think that if you go by what they're saying, we're looking at like months and months and months. guess like if i have to choose between listening to my own stoned intuition regarding stuff which

fits into my desires which is i want it to blow over because i don't want people to get sick i don't want to live in the apocalypse i have a son i don't want to run out of food i don't i want things to get back to normal i want to go around people but uh if you look at like unless we're living unless it's some vast ridiculous conspiracy i I think we're looking at least a couple of months, man. I mean, this is and I'm going by not a conspiracy because I think that in because I have a son now. And if I listen to my own instincts when it comes to shit for my kid, I'm going to be afraid to vaccinate him. I'm going to be afraid to do things that like millions of scientific papers have shown is safe. That's good for his health because I'm like going to get superstitious. So I lean into science. It saved

my life. You know, science kept cancer from spreading through my body and killing me i'm going to trust the scientists right now and uh self-isolate and try as much as possible to not spread this shit and um i think that that's even if it turns out to be a panic hysteria whatever at least you were part of the people who weren't fucking going out and skiing during this fucking thing. So I think it's going to go on longer. And I think while it goes on longer, if you have the ability to limit human contact and to avoid the superstitious part of yourself that I've got, too, that's looking at this and thinking, like, come on, really? I don't know anyone who's sick. I don't know.

It's also a rejection of change That you don't have any control over You deny that it's happening Because that's the easiest thing to do If you deny that it's happening you don't have to face the fear And if you don't face the fear Well then you put yourself in danger But really probably

I don't know how old you are out there But really who you're putting in danger is somebody's granddad That's the main thing. And people with diseases, people with autoimmune disorders. Yeah, people that are compromised. There's a lot of us that are not that strong. Maybe some people are recovering from something, like talking to Jonathan Ward yesterday, and his wife's recovering from cancer.

She's going through chemo. So they want to make sure she doesn't have to deal with any of this shit like you're not exposed to any of it those are the type of people we have to be really scared of people that are compromised right but this is you know this is a fucked up moment for us but a learning moment i really hope that this prepares us in case something really horrible comes down the pipe and i think i hope it prepares us for understanding that this is a possibility it lets us understand like hey we need to accept this this is this is how it goes and if there's some new shit that comes on let's act quicker and let's take care of this quicker and like if everybody just had a two week off thing like you know and this was something that

dana white and frank fortita were talking about uh before anyone did it frank fortita told dana white he's like why don't we just have everything shut down for two weeks just no one go to work no one do anything two weeks stop the planes and the way he explained it to me was like he said pull the band-aid off of it i'm like that is actually probably a really good idea well guess what now that's being, mandatory forced in certain cities where they've got bad outbreaks. If they had just done that the moment it cut, the moment it cut loose, just no one goes anywhere for two weeks. Let's nip this fucking thing in the bud. Yeah.

If that was really done, they're right. I mean, if you could really get that to be implemented at a scale of 350 million people. Amazing. You definitely would have radically slowed down the pace. We weren't ready. We weren't ready. Well, now we know.

Yeah. I hope, I hope, I hope we learn and I hope it doesn't morph and I hope it doesn't get more deadly. And I hope, you know, they can figure out a way to allocate funds to get more respirators and,

you know, all that shit has to be done. And you can make your own hand sanitizer. Yeah. I heard that too. We can just wash our hands with soap too. Yeah. You know, soap apparently kills it. What do you think are like the three things you should have at your house? You should have food, you should have water or something that purifies water, whether they're water purification tablets, you can buy iodine

tablets. Why that? What, you think the city water is going to get turned up? Anything can happen. Anything can happen. You might need to drink water that you don't want to drink. Right. You know, that's possible. You might have to drink puddle water. I mean, look, the reality is if things go real bad, you might have to drink from a lake.

Right. Okay? And that's what water is. You know, water, we take water from various sources and they purify it and rain water and all kinds of other shit. That's what we're drinking on a daily basis. We're drinking this weird processed water. The water you're really supposed to be drinking is the stuff that comes right out of the ground. That's what you're supposed to be drinking.

But if you get stuff that's biologically infected, you get stuff that animals have been in, it's animal waste, feces and stuff, or bacteria or diseases or anything. You can purify that. You can take these water tablets and you drop them in there and it kills everything. It torches the water. So in cases of emergency, like backpackers, they'll find an elk wallow and they can drink that water out of a fucking elk wallow. Really? Yeah.

There's a thing called a SteriPen. It's another thing they use. The SteriPen actually uses ultraviolet light. Let's say you have a water bottle. You fill it up with, like, elk piss. And you, like, wave your thing. Because you're trying to stay alive. You're out there.

If there's no water. Like, if you're on, like, a high country desert mule deer hunt and you can't find any water, you've got to take water wherever you can get it. Because you're not bringing all your water up there if you're staying there for 12 days. You're hoping you can find creeks. And you might not find a creek. And if you do, it might be fucked up. It might be a dead animal in it. Like shit, like something might've gone there to die and polluted the water or beavers might've shit in it. Like you have to have something that kills all that stuff. So that's something that people should have. They should have, I think you should

have some sort of a first aid kit, bandages, things like that, disinfectants, antibiotics, stuff like that. You should probably have something like that in case something goes wrong and someone gets hurt and there's no hospital available or there's no doctor or you have to wait in the morning before you can take someone to a doctor, whatever the fuck the problem is. You should have that. You should have batteries that you've charged, right? Like cell phone, get some backup batteries charge those bitches you know if you have a generator

fantastic but some people can't afford one and they don't have the room for one they can't have one it's not feasible if you live in an apartment yeah but having charged batteries for phones is very important food and water food and water are number one right you want to have dried foods things like rice and pasta you could store a lot of it you could eat it's high in calories you can eat it Food and water are number one, right? You want to have dried foods, things like rice and pasta. You could store a lot of it. You could eat. It's high in calories.

You can eat it, you know, and it doesn't take up too much room. There's, you know, canned things you can keep forever. That's what you want. You want food that you could have, that you could keep you alive, you know. Well, let me ask you this, man, because this is like something I've been talking to people, and myself I've experienced talking to people and myself I've experienced a little bit. I don't know if you have But what about those of us who are like kind of secretly freaking out right now not so secretly Yeah, how do we look to me? That's like I think one of the big questions is you know I was talking to a friend of mine

And he was like man. I totally was losing my shit yesterday, man. And, like, I told him, like, dude, me too. Everybody. Yeah, but, like, how the fuck are we going to deal? It's just such a weird form of anxiety. I've never had this kind of anxiety before. There's an invisible monster. Yeah. Invisible monster that wants to kill your grandma.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. An invisible monster that kills upwards the the high levels like somewhere around three percent of the people you know and and with old people it's even worse with uh people over over 80 i think it's you know it's really deadly it's scary man and what's scary is this is only one of many that could be coming our way. Right.

And that this happens every, you know, X amount of years or something. Last one was, you know, H1N1 and SARS and this and that. And there's always a new one. And just the fucking flu, man. I didn't, you know, I didn't, until we were looking into this, I didn't know how many people the flu killed. Yeah. The flu can kill 90,000 people in America every year. Yeah.

I didn't know that. Did know that I knew that so when they say this is ten times more deadly than the flu York holy fuck maybe 15 times more yeah holy fuck that's a million people that's a million plus yeah that's scary that's scary that's scary and then you, other really horrible diseases that have devastated populations. Those are possible too. And new ones are possible. Joe, I was asking, how do we deal with the fucking anxiety? Now I'm feeling the anxiety. You got to look at it. You got to look at it for what it is. This is reality. The way to deal with anxiety is to be prepared as best you can, accept where you are and what you are and who you are and just live.

It reprioritizes our values. You know, that's what's going to be good out of this. Nothing good ever comes from having it too easy. For us, I think as a culture, having it too easy was probably a little bit toxic to us. Like always eating junk food food we're always eating sugar that's all we're eating it's okay to eat cake every now and then but you can't just live off cake well as a culture there's a lot of what we're doing we're living off cake you know have you ever seen that werner herzog documentary happy people life in the taiga it's a great

documentary about these really nomadic people that live in siberia and they're super happy and um they live in these log houses that they build themselves they show them building these houses they don't have enough mosquito repellent they have to make their own mosquito repellent with like tar and they grind it up and add stuff to it and rub it all over their face and everything and they're super happy they They live up in Siberia, dude. It's so fucking cold. It's only summer for like three or four months. It's only like nice out.

And then the rest is just bitter, brutal cold where the winter freezes the river solid. We can ride a snowmobile over the river. So they use the river like the highway. And they all have dogs and they run around trapping and killing animals and living off the land and catching fish and living off the fish dude they're so happy what's fucked up is these people are encountering life-threatening adversity every day if you stay outside you will die you will die just from exposure to the cold it It will kill you. It's 50 below zero outside. It will fucking kill you.

And because of that, they're all like happy and smiling and laughing. And the documentary just shows like there's no lazy people there man everybody does their part you have to yeah and they're all working and laughing and they're all making their own canoes out of boat out of boards that they're chopping out of logs they're hollowing out these canoes and stretching them out and it's amazing man they're just always working and they're always happy it's so weird that's it that to me i think a lot of people don't realize that you can work together with people not for money just to do stuff for community and how fun that is when you find yourself even you know my wife and i fucking moving and, like, unpacking boxes.

It's been, like, nonstop for the last, like, four days. And we've had to, like, you know, there's something in it, even though it's terrifying, that really is joyful. And it's so, like, feels more alive alive than I felt in a long time. I think that's the thing we've got to tune into is that if nothing else, we're alive right now. That's beautiful. And yeah, maybe this just extent. Maybe we can become like those people up there. I mean, I think that's one of the anytime a fucked up thing happens to you personally. Anytime a fucked up thing happens to you personally, it's a chance to become a bitter piece of shit or a little more angry or a little more tired or a little more depressed or to become a hero. Anything, whatever it may be, any bit shitty unexpected thing comes my way I have a moment to decide am I going to react to this

like I always react to shitty things right and like become negative or dark or get pissed or can I like react to it in a completely new way and I think every time you do a new way this is my woo-woo concept you pop into a different part of the multiverse it's a completely new way and i think every time you do a new way this is my woo-woo concept you pop into a different part of the multiverse it's a little better than the one you were in before and it's like a trajectory you can go on when i was getting stoned at the gym at 4 a.m i was imagining on the treadmill that i was running through the multiverse towards a healthier version of me that i wasn't getting in shape. I was actually being inhaled into a more in shape version of me that already existed.

That's the kind of shit I have to do to get myself to work out. Dude, that's heavy. Yeah, man. It's a fun. It's fun to do that. You know, every single decision is like a binary. Do you want to continue doing the shit you've been doing over and over again, whatever it may be? Or do you want to try a mildly new way?

And every time you do that, sure as shit, it's not just you that starts changing. You'll notice like other stuff starts changing too around you. You know, things just tend to generally get better. Yeah. generally get better yeah i think there's there's thoughts that i've had that are real similar to that where i've wondered like if if multiverses are real and they're supposed to be different versions of you infinite versions all over the universe why are we assuming that this is the same every day you wake up in the same version yeah why are we assuming that this is the same, every day you wake up in the same version? Yeah.

Why are we assuming that? Exactly. The thing about sleep is you just go away. Then you come back with a memory of what life was like before you went away. Yeah. And you wouldn't notice if it just slid you one notch to the right or one notch to the left into the multiverse. If there's an infinite number of Duncans out there with ghillie suits and gas masks on.

Yeah. And you just slid over to the right by letting a little old lady in front of you and not even complaining when she was driving 30 miles an hour. That's it. You're like, it's all right. She's a nice lady. Let me just get around her nice and slow and safe. Yeah, that's it.

Wave to her. Hi. And the more you do that, the more you start running into other people who are doing the same thing you start ending up in that part of the multiverse where many other people are doing the same thing yes and eventually you know theoretically i think eventually through those series of decisions maybe that's where you can like that's where all of a sudden you start realizing like, oh shit, oh shit, I'm in a temple. I'm not even in a, in a reality that I thought I was in.

I was just like in a deep state of contemplative meditation. Yeah. And you know, I don't know. I mean, there's all kinds of interesting experiments you can do. Have you ever heard the term pro-noia, pro-noia? It's the opposite of paranoia where you think the universe is conspiring to help you instead of hurt you. That's brilliant. Yeah.

Maybe that's what we'll call our group. Pronoia. Pronoia. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. We needed a name, then it just came to us.

Pronoia. Sounds like a dope band. Yeah. Going to go see Pronoia at the Staples Center. Pronoia. It's fun if you do that if you really do imagine that every single thing that's happening in your life is a grand conspiracy to help you to advance you to bring you or another way to put it do you ever listen i love listening

to christian radio this guy was talking about a thing called convection which is being inhaled into the christ so when you start like like a black hole well i think like the a white hole i guess it would be a black hole gobbling up planets like you're being like drawn into this into the super intelligence and you're becoming in like you're being sort of lifted up into it the thing that makes the big green egg work like the thing that sucks smoke up that's happening to you into the divine intelligence and as it happens you imagine you're the one doing the stuff to get you closer to it but really it's just your mind playing tricks on you you have no choice you're gonna be you're gonna wake up you're gonna gain realization and and so as that's happening you kind of you know like you can quit something you can quit drinking you can quit smoking but you

kind of long for it but then sometimes you notice you just stopped doing shit that was bad for you because you found a better way to live and it naturally falls away right that's convection you're being drawn into the divine mind as that happens this shit that looks like austerity when you're like further away begins to actually just be a natural way that you act you just become naturally more graceful naturally less inclined to do shitty things naturally more tuned in with like the 150 year old version of you you know that that you sort of naturally and that just happens on its own because you're being convicted into the christ sucked into the omega point the divine yeah we should probably leave on that should we we end on that? Yeah. That's the perfect way to end, right?

Thanks, man. Thanks for letting me come on your show. It's already almost 4 o'clock. How the fuck did that happen? What the fuck? Time warp, right? This was a total time warp episode. You and I always have the strangest episodes, man.

We really do. I don't believe it's 4. It's almost 4. It's 3.46. Normally, I would have had to piss like three times. You're evolving. Don Gontrusel, tell everybody when your show is out. Thank you, Joe.

April 20th on Netflix, The Midnight Gospel. You can follow The Midnight Gospel on Twitter and Instagram. And thanks, Pendleton, for making the show with me. Thanks, y'all, for watching it. Thank you for letting me plug it on your show, man. It looks awesome. I can't wait to watch it.

It looks so Duncan Trussell. Thank you, Joe. It's very you. All right. We're going to keep on keeping on, folks. Stay healthy out there. Much love.

Bye. Hare Krishna. Ooh. Damn.