The Joe Rogan Experience - #1465 - Tim Pool

Episode Date: April 27, 2020

Tim Pool is an independent journalist. His work can currently be found at http://timcast.com and on his YouTube channel.

Three, two, one. Tim Pool, you madman. How's it going? Dude, the ride that you made to get here. You drove from the other side of the continent in a bug out van. Well, I mean, you've had guests on who've driven here. You know what I mean? I drove here.

You drove here, but it took four days. It took four days. It's a different kind of drive. Have you ever done that before? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not in the van, but I've driven around the country too many times. The van's pretty dope. I'm impressed.

I told you last year I was getting a van, and I got a bunch of people on Twitter making fun of me, like, oh, he's going to get a bug-out van. He's crazy. I got a van. You got a bug-out van. It's awesome. You could live in that thing. Oh, totally, dude.

The solar power on it? Yeah. Last year forever. That's pretty amazing. I didn't know that you could power everything. Yeah. Last year forever. That's pretty amazing.

I didn't know that you could power everything. So you have solar-powered roof panels. Is it less effective in Jersey where it's cloudy right now? Oh, totally. Where it's summertime? Yeah. How much difference is it when it's cloudy? I mean, several orders of magnitude. Yeah.

Yeah, it barely works. I mean, it works. It works. It works well enough. But right here, it works great. Right here, the sun is so intense and just gnarly. You go outside You can feel it on your skin. Mm-hmm. Yeah, my solar things like you're good forever

Don't worry, but turn the AC on full blast Really if I so if I run the AC on full blast it will probably last if I start when the Sun comes up Maybe like I don't know 14 hours Wow That's that's that that's intense though man AC if I use just the fan to get circulation, I can play PlayStation. I can watch movies. I can turn the music on full blast. And you could probably with AC, you could probably turn it on and off as the temperature goes up and down. Yeah.

And the van is, is it insulated at all? Oh man, like crazy. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, these guys, I was trying to find somebody to help me modify this thing for a while. I think when I was here last time, I had the van, but it was empty. And then I found these guys in Jersey. They do police modification stuff, like gun racks and seats.

And I guess because the van life thing started getting big, I did a Google search. I couldn't find anybody. The van life thing? Yeah, van life, man. What are you talking about? So on YouTube, van life was this big trend. I think it's kind of waning a little bit. But there was one woman who got like 2 million subscribers on one video.

Really? Because she lives in her van with her pet snake or something like that. Oh, she's probably hot. Is she hot? She's a young – I think so. I haven't actually seen the video. So I'm like making the assumption that – That makes sense.

Make a YouTube video. You're a single female in a van. And I i think the video was like here's how i shower so naturally oh there you go it's a good move yeah but the masturbate four million views yeah yeah these these guys over where i live i guess i i couldn't find anybody to do this the wait lists are crazy like there are pro companies that do van modification eight month wait period really yeah so i went on google maps of all places just because I was like, maybe that's my problem. I typed in van modification and two miles from me, boom, this guy pops up. And he does, him and his company, they did modifications for local police departments

on like SWAT vans, surveillance vans and things like that. I wonder if I'm supposed to be saying that. Probably not. Probably not. They didn't tell you to keep your mouth shut? No, actually he was like, yeah, let people know we do this work. You know what I mean? What's the name of the company? Diversified Vehicle Systems, I think. Man, if I got that name wrong, I feel so bad. Well, see if you can find it, Jamie.

Yeah. Diversified Vehicle Systems. Or Services. Yeah. And he's got cool photos of like SWAT vans and stuff. I'm stoked, dude. You dude, he hooked me up. That thing's amazing. It is interesting that you can power everything from the solar panels. You can power your monitors because you have it set up in there. We have monitors and lights.

You have cameras. Do you have an internet connection? I use my phones. But there is on the roof this thing called a WineGuard. So you have 5G on your phone, right? Yep. Oh, yeah. Here it is. Diversified Vehicle Services. That's him. thing called a wine guard and have 5g on your phone right you have yep oh yeah sir here it is diversified vehicle services that's him that's that's that's

your interior before the van heads to time okay yeah you're making this guy's week good cool good for him he's cool dude yeah so um how long did it take for them to trick it out I think it took like a maybe three weeks to a month and then felt super confident to drive that thing all the way across the country? Totally. Was it weird at all? No, it was pretty awesome. Was there any spots you stopped in?

You're like, what in the fuck? Like Boristos type areas? There was just because of like the pandemic and all that stuff. Yeah, well, the pandemic and they're weird already. I've driven across this country too much. I've purposefully in the past have driven through really weird parts like off of interstate highways. I've been in some pretty crazy places. I've been to one motel that once looked like

it used to be a prison or something. It used to be a prison and they turned it into a motel? I'm just saying it looked like it did. Like there's no windows. There's just like those block windows you can't see through with like the weird wavy glass. I had no idea what the building used to be. But it was a motel now. It looked like I was in a meat locker or something. But there's one town. I think it was in New Mexico. I don't

want to say the name cause I get it wrong, but they put up a sign saying no one's allowed in nobody, the whole town, the whole town was because of the pandemic. Yep. No one's allowed. Can you do that? It said no visitors, no business, something like that. It said it's like residents only. Is that legal? I don't think it is. That's where it's weird, right? A lot of this stuff is like, what is legal as far as lockdowns? What's legal? Is it completely up to the – this is a debate right now, right?

Whether or not it's completely up to the governors, whether it's the mayors have individual liberty in whatever town. And I mean, I'll tell you what, sounds like the constitution doesn't exist right now. Well, I wouldn't go that far. I'm a little hyperbolic, but come on. There's definitely some protections. Let's put it this way. Let's be as generous as possible. Protections that are in place to shield the vulnerable people from the pandemic.

But a lot of folks feel like there's some overstepping. And there's a problem with power, man. If you give power to people, they do not like to give it back. They always think it's better with me in charge. There was one documentary I saw a long time ago. Some activists went to the CEO of Shell and he talked to him and he was like, listen, you got to understand I'm trying my hardest with me at the helm. I'm doing such good things for the environment.

They always think they're the benevolent dictator. That's why I think decentralization is so much more important in so many different aspects. Yeah, that is a weird trait that human beings have when they get into a position like that, right? Well, the type of person who would want to be a governor to begin with, the type of person that would want to run the entire state. Yeah. I don't trust any individual to have good intentions. I should say they do have good intentions, but I don't trust them to actually know what's best for everybody. There's no way you can. I mean, to be able to be accurate about all the different predictions in this regard, when you're talking about this pandemic thing.

One of the biggest problems I'm looking at is who determines what's essential and what's not essential. Yeah, weed stores are essential. So we heard it like in Michigan, for instance, they were closing off certain parts of certain stores. Did you hear about this? No. So a lot of people took it because there were photos of seeds at Walmart or something where there was like a tape saying you can't – this part of the store is closed. And so the story went out that you weren't allowed to buy seeds anymore. The story actually was that stores over 50,000 feet had to close off non-essential areas like flooring and gardening and things like that. And who's to determine what isn't essential about any of those services?

Particularly gardening. I would think like if there's a time where you want to have your own food readily available in your backyard, now's the time. Well, even think about just general hardware. If they're going to shut that down, what if a hole breaks open in your floor, you know, your kid falls through it or something, you got to get that fixed. I mean, that's a serious safety issue. So you've got these governors determining what is essential and what isn't. I heard a good argument for keeping liquor stores open because I was like, come on, liquor stores. But someone said, actually, it is to prevent people from going into detox, from having

problems detoxing, where they would take up a hospital bed that we need, potentially need because of the virus. That makes sense. I also think about the reality of you take away booze in a time of a crisis and you're going to see people's nerves snap real quick. Have you seen the video of this guy jogging down the street and he examines everybody's recyclables? And it's all filled with vodka bottles and tequila and whiskey and wine. And it's like he just goes from house to house.

He's like, let's see what they've been up to. Oh, well, people are so stressed out. They're just getting hammered. Yeah. There's going to be a lot of liver damage when this is all. A lot of divorces too. Yeah. I heard that's going up.

Oh, yeah. People and domestic abuse and things like that. Oh, sure. And suicide. Here's the prediction I made very early on. I was talking to my friends. I think I said this. What they're going to do, they're going to say we're only going to keep things closed until April 12th.

And that's what Trump said at first. Easter, we're going to come open up. And I said about a week before, they're going to say, well, we got to push it back. Sure enough, April 30th, then May 15th. Now it's June 1st. June 1st for who? I think New York just announced this. They said June 1st?

Yeah. But I think they said they're going to start May 15th with outside of New York City, right? Isn't that what Cuomo said? I'm not entirely sure. I feel like he said they're going to start. I do know a lot of jurisdictions have slowly entered the phase one. There was that Trump argument with Kemp in Georgia about going too fast and stuff like that. Yeah.

So I guess people are starting to realize if you don't open things up, there's nothing to save, right? Right. What's freaking me about all of this is the tribalism behind whether or not we should reopen the economy or stay locked down it's connected to everything right what do you mean the tribalism it's connected totally totally yeah it's it's it's so you know i had a friend messaging me saying we're stupid people who want haircuts are going to get us all killed and they're going out and protesting and and the first thing i'm like you really don't think just because one guy was holding that dumb sign that's what everyone is thinking right now. That's not the case.

But what's crazy to me is you had the UN, a UN advisor come out and say, we're looking at 130 million people are going to starve because of the economic shutdown. And that's going to be much worse potentially than the actual pandemic itself. And these kind of facts are ignored because of the tribalism of what's happening. You know, Trump tweets it out. Therefore, it's now a right left, you know, conservative, whatever. I don't think they know exactly what to do. I mean, I think there's some educated decisions that are being made by medical professionals, and then they have to adjust those based on new statistics that come in. And I don't know if they have adjusted. Like the initial idea was that there was an X amount of people that were infected in California.

It turns out there's many, many, many more. And the most recent thought is that there's somewhere around 400,000. Now, there has been some dispute about these studies, you know, whether or not these studies are accurate, whether or not the tests are accurate, whether or not you could get it again, whether or not it even matters if you've already had it. You might be able to get it again. But there's no adjustments. No one's saying, hey, this is way less deadly than we thought it was going to be. This sounds like the problem of government. I've never been one of these small government types.

As much as people might want to argue with me, I lean a little bit left on a lot of issues like government programs I think are good things. It just seems like whenever the government enacts something, it's so slow to fix it if it goes bad or when things change, right? Right. So slow to adjust if they need to shift back. They tend to just dump more money into it if it's not working properly. I want to know why some people just shake this off. That's, to me, the most... It almost seems like you're dealing with more than one virus. It's like you're dealing with a bunch of different versions of a virus. I think you are.

I think they've said they found multiple strains, like that it changed a little bit or something. I don't want to pretend like I know for sure. I know they did say that about India. They said that the strain that they have in India is apparently very different than the strain they're experiencing in Europe. Yeah. I think I heard something similar about like Washington. They found two strains. Liberal and conservative strain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the crazy thing to me is the people, a lot of Trump supporters, and I don't want to, I'm not trying to blanket every single one, but there's some high profile ones that are really acting like since the beginning, they've doubted it every step of the way.

And I'm like, have you looked at the spike charts? If, you know, here's what I say. If in New York City, we're seeing thousands more dead, what are they dying of? If not some kind of, you know, infection. I mean, you can call whatever you want. You can act like nothing's going on, but we're seeing huge spikes. You can't pay attention to them. There's fools.

No matter what you do, there's always going to be fools. So, you know, it's obviously a real virus. It's obviously real dangerous. Well, tribalism is foolish. But it's, you know, you got to just dismiss that stuff. You can't even debate it or dwell on it. But what's interesting to me is,

well, there's a bunch of parts that are interesting. But what's interesting to me is like who, like, Georgia's opened, right? And then parts of Montana have opened. There's things that have opened in Texas. Like it's going to be interesting to see what the response is going to be, whether or not they come back online quicker and their economy builds up quicker or whether or not they get a second surge and they have to shut down longer.

And it winds up being that maybe you should have waited longer and would have had less infection. We just saw a city of 10 million in China enter lockdown again. Did they? To what degree? I'm not entirely sure, but they've announced, you know, re-upping all the social distancing measures and certain closures and stuff like that. And they're saying it's because someone, a student, I think they're saying a student from the U.S. came back. Of course they're saying that. Right, right, right. Reignited it. But there's also a bunch of studies now about reinfection. It's a whole lot of we don't know, and everyone's freaking out. Whenever there's a new disease and everybody's got to scramble in real time to try to figure out what the fuck to do about it,

and we're all just weirded out. Everybody's weirded out. No one knows what is normal now. What is reality, the reality we live in. You see movies now when people hug or shake hands and you're like, ah, what are you doing? I've been watching these commercials. You see these commercials? They're all the same where it's like we're all in this together.

And then it shows people banging pots and pans. And it's like we may not be able to hug anymore, but the love is there. It's like all identical. But then all of a sudden an older commercial pops up. And I was watching this the other day and it's like a guy walks up, shakes his buddy's hand, pats him on the back and then like gives his wife a kiss on the cheek. And I'm like,

that's an old commercial. That is, I can tell it's an old campaign because they would not do that. Most of them are old because you can't shoot anything anymore. Yeah. You know, I don't know how, I'm curious how they're doing these commercials where they film New York.

I guess they're going out in New York and filming people actually, you know, cheer from their balconies and stuff. Yeah. Look, you know, I think there's a real there's a real tough question that a lot of people want to ignore. I think there's a lot of Trump supporters who are pushing it because they're in favor of reopening the economy. But there's like that equation of at what point is having things shut down more damaging than, you know. So at a certain point, we have to recognize people are going to die no matter what we do.

Well, there's a Bloomberg, not the mayor, but there's a Bloomberg statistic on the economy that measures the downside, like when the economy goes down, how many people die because of it. And you could kind of trace it. It's very disturbing. And when we're talking about deaths, we're talking about there's something that we can immediately deal with. It's right in front of us. It's a disease.

It's happening right now. Go after it. Stop it. But the secondary reaction to that, in fact, because you're closing the economy, might wind up killing as many people as you're trying to avoid being killing in the long run. Or more. Or more. I don't know. The big story on the UN was that their advisor said 235 million starving in the next year or so unless things kick back into gear. Well, hopefully they are going to kick back into gear.

California is supposed to open up on May 15th. But the governor has been – I don't know if he enjoys it, but it seems like – he seems like they definitely are comfortable with being the person they get to say. Yeah. This is shut down and we're going to keep it shut down. Dude, the authoritarianism is scary. It's weird. They're arresting people for fucking going to the park with their kids. You see that tweet from the UK where they posted the shadows of the two cops?

And it was like think going into a rural area to to have a picnic is you'll get away with it. We're going to lurk out of the shadows and find you. No way. I swear to God. Oh, God. You're in the middle of nowhere having a picnic. Go for it. Here's the thing, man.

That's fucking China shit. Totally. That is like, fuck, man. Well, now there's another story. Bill Gates apparently said, you know, China did a bunch of things right. And now what they're doing is they're taking that quote and they're putting it next to pictures of them welding doors shut and barricading people in their homes. And then him hanging out with Epstein? Oh, probably. That's the latest thing.

I've been getting all these videos. They really don't like that guy. Well, people are sending me all these videos about Bill Gates and how he used to party with Epstein. But a lot of people did. Yeah. I wonder how many of them knew. I wonder But a lot of people did. Yeah. I wonder how many of them knew. I wonder about a lot of them did. Bill Gates apparently traveled with Epstein after Epstein had been convicted.

Oh, man. Yeah. Apparently, like a couple years after he'd been convicted. It wasn't like he didn't know about it. Right, right. Have you seen Bill Gates' Instagram? No. All the comments just flooded with people saying, like, globalists and Illuminati kind of stuff.

I heard about that. It hurts a lot of pedophile stuff too, right? I don't know. I don't want to, I know this is going to be really touchy because you got a large group of really angry people. They're saying things like take your vaccines back. We don't want them. We won't wear the mark of the beast. You know what, man?

He's talked about, you know what China did? They're giving you these codes on your phone. And you've got, if you want to leave – if you leave the town, it becomes void. So if you're in the city, then you can go to a building. They scan it to see if you're clear. And if you are, then you're able to come in. Yeah, fuck all that. Seriously.

I think – you know what, man? The amount of people I've seen argue in favor of this executive – these executive orders is pretty scary. Yeah, I've been scared about that. We've been talking about that quite a bit lately where I've been saying you can't have massive overreaching government surveillance as a response to a disease. You can't because they're not going to shut it off once the disease has a vaccine. They're going to keep that stuff in place. And you are giving up a massive part of what it means to be an American. Well, take a look at the social media, what what it means to be an American, to be free.

Take a look at the social media, what's going on with Twitter, Facebook. The CEO of YouTube, we'll start there, said on CNN, basically anyone who says anything out of line with the World Health Organization, it's bannable. It's against our community guidelines. The World Health Organization has flip-flopped back and forth several times already. Well, they're clearly spouting out Chinese propaganda too, particularly in January when they were saying that according to China, there's no evidence that you could be transmitted from person to person. And did you know the AP reported at that time China knew and withheld the information for six days? So the day that the World Health Organization tweeted out no evidence according to China

of human to human transmission, we now know according to the AP that China did know and purposefully withheld that. What you've got going on with China right now, I question whether or not we're getting close to an act of war. And I know that might be a little exaggerated, but they've got – this is the story that was published in BuzzFeed News. Trolls working either for China or within China trying to slow down the response in other regions like Spain, Italy, Taiwan. I think the BuzzFeed one was specifically about Taiwan, sowing disinformation so it would slow their response, things like that.

Why? Well, I think China wants Taiwan. Right. They don't like their rogue province, so they consider it. Yeah. Well, that's why they had instructed the World Health Organization to not even mention the name Taiwan. You saw that video? That video is crazy.

Where the head of the World Health Organization is being interviewed. And in the interview, the woman asks him about Taiwan's response. And he says, I think China's done a great job. Right. Well, at first he ignores her. Yes. And then he hangs up on her. Yeah, he hung up on her.

Wow. But he did say China, and she said Taiwan in specific. And I Yes. And then he hangs up on her. Yeah, he hung up on her. Wow. But he did say China, and she said Taiwan in specific. And I think that's when he hung up on her. And then he came back and she goes, well, let's get back to the question. Well, I think we've already covered it. China's done a great job. Like, he's clearly avoiding. But why does he think he can do that?

Like, what does China have on them? Money? Is it just China funding them? I mean, you saw what happened with the NBA and Blizzard. People don't want to give that cold, hard cash. They're making a bold bet. You know what I mean? Do you know what Thucydides' trap is? No. So this is, I was reading about this, the Atlantic wrote about this in 2015, are we headed for a war with China? And Thucydides' trap says that whenever a growing power seeks to upset the dominant power, it results in war.

And out of 12 out of 16 times over the past 500 years, it has happened. So people have been predicting a U.S.-China war for a really long time because of this historical precedent. It's not absolute, but it looks like – I'm not going to pretend like I'm a historical expert or anything like that, but it looks extremely probable to me. I've had a lot of people get mad at me saying that I was fear mongering by bringing this up, but the US just sent two warships into the South China Sea, which China considers their own territory. When you look at what China has been doing in terms of misinformation, clearly lying about the numbers, I can't remember who did this. I think it may have been Germany removing China's numbers from the charts saying they're not real. So China has been

misleading the rest of the world, withholding information on how bad the infection is. They sent a strike group, an aircraft carrier through the South China Sea near Taiwan, putting Japan on alert. The U.S.'s aircraft carrier, Theodore Roosevelt, was disabled because of the coronavirus. They evacuated 80% of the personnel. The U.S. does what they call an elephant walk in Guam, where they have all these bombers. Then the U.S. pulls them out because apparently China's got some kind of weapon that can just blanket Guam and wipe out our forces. Next thing I know, we sent- What kind of weapon do they have that can do that?

I'm not entirely sure. I'm getting my information from just reading peripheral stories. I'm not a military guy or anything like that. But it really – so the US just sent two warships into the South China Sea. And I think they're doing this because one of the things I read from a military website was that the strike force is testing US resolve. The last time that China has done this where they sent a strike force around Taiwan actually tried to take it in some fashion, the U.S. sent a couple supercarriers and everything calmed down. Now our supercarriers in the region were disabled by COVID. Well, didn't China, didn't they go into a group exercise with Iran after we killed that guy? Oh, I don't know. Yeah. There was a group exercise with China and Iran in the sea.

They did something like some sort of show of unity right after Trump had that guy assassinated. Do you see what happened with those Iranian gunboats? They were swarming the U.S. naval vessels. And then Trump ordered them, if they do it again, sink them, blow them up. Do you know that Venezuela tried commandeering a civilian yacht a couple weeks ago? Venezuelan naval ship crashed into a German-owned private cruise liner. They were trying to – my understanding of the story because I know a lot of people are – they're not going to want to provide that analysis. They were trying to steal it.

So they claim – Steal it? Yeah. So I think the official word from Venezuela was they thought this was a fake cruise ship with assassins from Maduro or something. So they ordered it to come into their waters because they weren't. A Venezuelan naval ship started ramming it, sank itself. Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so then sometime after, Donald Trump deploys two US naval vessels near Venezuelan waters, which he says are for drug-related operations. I'm not going to – like I know a lot of people are going to get heated saying, you know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All I know is that's what was reported. Who knows what that means or what it leads to. But needless to say, with – you know, look, Russia is withholding wheat exports. Several European countries have closed their borders within the Schengen area. They're withholding – people are starting to hoard food. And we just had a full page ad in the New York Times Sunday edition, I think it was from Tyson,

saying the food supply chain is breaking and we're getting ready for a major shortage of food. Yeah, they had to kill 2 million chickens because they didn't have anybody to butcher them. Here's my concern. When you have these nation states shoring up their borders, even within the European Union, that was crazy to me when you see these nation states shoring up their borders, even within the European Union. That was crazy to me when you see Germany and France and Austria closing their borders to each other. Then you get these warships making these movements. You get people desperate for food. You see Venezuela ramming into a cruise ship. I say this. It could be that we're hyper focused on it because we're bored. We don't only pay attention to this stuff. We normally pay

attention to celebrity gossip and politics. Now that we're not doing anything, we're really focused on what's happening in international territory. Or perhaps it's that we're getting desperate and we're scared as the economy tanks. Well, if it wasn't for mutually assured destruction, I would say, yeah, we're probably moving into a place of war. But when you have two nuclear superpowers like China and the US, it's like, what do they do? What are you going to do?

One guy got to launch a missile, the other guy's going to launch a missile. What, what do they do? What are you gonna do? You're gonna one guy gonna launch a missile the other guy's gonna launch a missile like what are they gonna do? Yeah, are they gonna go into a full-scale war and wipe out everyone on the planet because that's what would happen I think so I do the thing is who would be more willing to wipe out a Giant chunk of the population would it be China or would it be the United States? I don't think it'd be the United States I think it'd be China and I think it really depends on how strained they are for resources and whether or not they're really going to lose. The difficult...

Look, in China, when this broke out, we saw videos of them barricading people in their homes, welding their doors shut. Yeah. The doctor, whistleblower. There's one story of Vice Ran. A journalist was calling out all of these things, disappears for a month, comes back a month later, all happy, like government's great. We love them. Really? Yeah. We know what they do. We've seen videos. Now this could be propaganda, you know, because I'm in America. So of course I'm getting this information. Maybe the US is

trying to build this up. But I think you take a look at that kind of behavior, the willingness to do anything by any means necessary. And at what point do you get one person who's in charge saying, I will not be the captain of a ship that sinks? You know, I look to, well, I don't want to get super political in American history, but I view it as you've got a leader of a country. And as people are looking at him, he says, this will be the year my country ceases to exist. F that. Presses the button. I will not be the, you know, I will not be the person who has that stain. It's hard to know, though, because it could be a leader saying I will not be the person who destroys the world.

I would rather go down in history as the failure of my country. I think you back somebody into a corner and you get fight or flight. I don't trust Trump's Trump's decision making in that regard either. No, I don't. You know, I just I don't trust anybody's decision making. in that regard either. No, I don't. You know, I just, I don't trust anybody's decision making,

but anybody who won't admit that he said one thing when we saw it, like this whole injecting disinfection, maybe a cleaning. The fact that he said he was being sarcastic. That was so dumb. And if you're that same person and then we want you to be in charge of this decision,

whether or not we go to war. I mean, obviously you have to have the support of Congress, but. But you know, this, the disinfectant story is one of the weirdest and most difficult things to actually grasp. I think he just got caught rambling. That's it.

You ever see the episode of South Park where Cartman pretends like he has Tourette's? No. So Cartman finds out that people with Tourette's just say all these things. So he's like, if I pretend to have this, I can say whatever I want. And then eventually he loses his filter and starts saying a bunch of ridiculous things. Like he starts admitting to like, you know, touching his cousin or something, camp.

And he's like, why am I saying this? Oh, no, I've lost my filter. Donald Trump, that's what he, here's how I see it. He heard something from these experts. He didn't understand it. He has no filter. And so he just asked this thing. Here's my I see it. He heard something from these experts. He didn't understand it. He has no filter. And so he just asked this thing. Here's my challenge with it.

Is there a such thing as a stupid question? Yes. There is. Can you eat glass? Right. That's a stupid question. Don't some like performers eat glass? They don't really eat glass, do they?

They chew up candy glass. Yeah. Here's the struggle. Here's the struggle. Here's the struggle. What is a disinfectant? How do you interpret what he said? And here's what Trump supporters immediately fired back with. There is H202 nebulization therapy.

And they pulled up an article from – it was posted to MSN.com April 10th. One of the treatments they're looking at for COVID is to take hydrogen peroxide through a nebulizer into your lungs. That's a disinfectant into your body for a cleaning. I don't think Trump was going for that. I think the guy mentioned we have bleach and alcohol. And Trump was like, I wonder if you could possibly get in their body through an injection. As a cleaning? Yeah.

Right. Yeah, I mean, look, what's really interesting that came out of this was Twitter banned an account that is a publicly traded biotech account that has a legitimate therapy. When someone has been incubated, when they're on a respirator, they can send UV light through that tube and actually kill some of the bad bacteria in the lungs. Now, the video that shows how they do it, it shows the tube and it's an animated thing which shows the lungs. They banned them. Right. They banned a publicly traded biotech company, which is just, I don't know if they banned them because they think that in some way this supports what Trump was saying, or if someone just pulled the trigger too quickly.

I mean, who's doing this over here? I think you have a bunch of fucking kids that are making decisions whether or not something gets banned or not. Something gets reported, like someone reports, I'm just guessing, someone reports and says, look, these fucking idiots are saying that Donald Trump's right. You can get lied in there. Ban it. Ban the account.

Nuke it. We sat here with Jack and... Vidya. Vidya. Ban it. Ban the account. Nuke it. We sat here with Jack and Vidya and I don't think we got a definitive answer necessarily. We gotta thank you for your feedback. I think we got an answer in terms of what Jack wants. In terms of...

I think Jack is a legitimately honest guy who is trying to manage things at scale and I think that's almost impossible. The sheer numbers that are coming in and he's trying to manage things at scale. And I think that's almost impossible. The sheer numbers that are coming in. And he's trying to do a Wild West Twitter now. This is his concept of having a Twitter that's just wide open. We could do anything.

And then having like a regular sort of moderated Twitter. There's a name I can say right now. A name? If I say a name right now. Candyman? This video will be pulled from YouTube. Did you know that? Really? I can say a name right now. Candyman? This video will be pulled from YouTube. Did you know that? Really?

I can say one guy's name. Alex Jones? No. Don't say it. If you know what it is, don't say it. I'm not going to say it. What does it start with? I don't think I should even do that.

Really? I've had my video taken down, and I've been told to. Write it down. Here, write it down for me. Are you sure? Yeah, write it down. Just write it down. If you say this name, your video will be taken down.

They've taken down C-SPAN. They've taken down Fox News. Really? Is it Hitler? No. I'm warning you not to say this name. The company's been unsuspended, if you will. Unsuspended.

I don't have a word for that. So, yeah. So, somebody probably fucked up. It was probably a kid. My handwriting is awful. That's okay. Do not say that name. I'm not kidding. That's okay. Do not say that name. I'm not kidding with you, man.

Do not say that name. I don't even know who that is. He is the, he's a, I can describe him to you. He's a CIA, he worked for the CIA, I guess. He is accused of being the whistleblower. The Ukraine whistleblower. Oh. And if you say his name, you will get taken down.

Wow. That seems like news. How come news will get you taken down? Yeah. Makes you wonder, right? How come a biotech company with a legitimate product gets taken down? I guess you said it was restored. Yeah, I think that biotech company, somebody fucked up.

I think from what Adam Curry was explaining to me, is that there's a bunch of kids that work for Twitter, and they work for a lot of these other companies. And they're the ones responsible for whether or not something gets banned or something gets taken down. You know the Zuby story, the OK Dude story? Right, right, right. Which is just

bonkers. For people, so this can be standalone. Zuby, who is a British guy, we've talked about this on the podcast before, he's been a guest on the podcast, he's a rapper. Very, very intelligent, interesting guy, doesn't even swear. He's very polite. He's a really nice guy.

So he gets in some sort of an interaction with someone on Twitter, and this person says, I bet I sleep with more women than you. He says, okay, dude, that's it. He got nuked. Banned. He got suspended for a long period of time, like weeks or whatever the fuck it is.

I don't know how long you get suspended for something like that. But then he asked for it to be reviewed and they upheld it. They said, yes, you can't say, okay, dude. Now, I don't know if he was talking to a trans woman. He didn't either. Yeah, he didn't either.

Yeah, I think he didn't know. Is that what it is? Is that what the case was? That's my understanding of the story. Yeah, well, he didn't even know. Right. He just saw someone and said, okay, dude. You know what the problem is?

This idea of approved truth, what YouTube calls authoritative sources. So I know I'm pretty hard on YouTube, but this doesn't involve Facebook as well. That name I sent you, Facebook will delete your post without notice if you type it. Wow. So here's what I did. You tried it? I typed, I just, I said something like, I heard of a man from Dubuque, an orthodontist named, who has five kids and he's in his mid-50s. I did that because that in no way describes who that person is.

Right. Not only did Facebook delete it, they deleted it without telling me. It was just erased from the site, gone. So it's some sort of a filter that's in place. No, no. Somebody manually did it. It was there for a while. And then somebody came in or somehow. So do you know what happened with CNN and Chris Cuomo getting COVID? You know, they faked that whole thing, right? What do you mean they faked it? So Chris Cuomo was spotted 30 minutes from his house on a property with a new construction being built. Yes. A steel frame. A guy on a bike saw him. Chris Cuomo, they got into it. Chris Cuomo goes on his radio show and says, I don't want this jackass on a fat tire bike coming up to me. I should tell him what I want.

The guy on the bike says he called the cops and said he threatened me. So this basically confirms the encounter. Chris Cuomo then shot a segment for CNN of him emerging from his basement like, this is what I've been dreaming of, finally getting out of my basement and seeing my kids. But he was witnessed seeing his kids somewhere else. With his kids? Yeah. So you even had Ben Smith of the New York Times call this out, saying – Ben Smith used to be the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed News. Now he's a media columnist for New York Times said something to the effect of it's like shocking how CNN is aligning this whole controversy.

They're pretending like it didn't happen. Everybody knows Cuomo faked it. He wasn't in quarantine. He was out presumably – he was with two women and three kids. So we can assume it was his wife and his kids, whatever. I bring that up because you've got a couple other moments, right? You've got Brian Stelter on his show saying that we've got to channel the anger for the people. Yeah, that he was saying that journalists need to do that.

Yep, which is, you know, I basically said, so you're admitting you're a rage bait. Yes, I saw you did that, and I was glad that you said that. Like, finally they're admitting it. Right, right, right. I mean, look, it's no secret I'm going to rag on the media. I worked for these companies, and I've seen them slowly getting worse and worse with everything. I want to see Brian scream. You want to see Brian scream? Yeah. I think like him enraged would be adorable. Like I don't, I wonder how much anger he can muster. I can't, I can't. So, so here's, here's a point I was getting to. CNN is called an

authoritative source. They're lying in our faces. I mean, you just had the Joe Biden thing for, I don't know if you've talked about this yet, but if you go to Google Play and look up Larry King's show from 1993, you will see there. So actually, I checked many of the different months. What people noticed was that one episode was missing. August 11th, 1993, the episode where Joe Biden's accuser called in saying my daughter had a problem with a prominent senator. No, it was Joe Biden's accuser's mom. The accuser's mom. What did I say? You said accuser. Oh, right. Yeah. The accuser's mom. Right. That episode's gone. Yes. So I went through Google Play and there certainly were other episodes that were presumably missing, typically Mondays, where I would assume that Larry King had a day off or something. The 11th was a Wednesday.

where I would assume that Larry King had a day off or something. The 11th was a Wednesday. Why was this missing? Why did CNN – why were they scooped on their own story? They had this evidence. Apparently this was news. So when you look at what CNN has been doing, admitting that they're doing rage journalism, you get people like Jim Acosta. But isn't that like what Brian said?

What's Brian Stelter? Stelter. Stelter. Isn't he just – that's his own opinion. You know, I mean, it's not that they're admitting that they're doing rage journalism. It's he's saying that they should do that, right? Isn't that what it was? He said it on Twitter, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was a quote from his show. Was it? I think you're right. I think it was reliable sources tweeting it out. Yeah. And, you know, look, I may be hyperbolic or whatever, because I got my opinions on CNN and all that. But take a look at someone like Jim Acosta. He stands up. He argues with the president.

That's not what journalists are supposed to do. You know, if you want to ask the president a question, he gives you an answer. If you have the opportunity for a follow up, you do. And then you write your story and you fact check him. You write your story and say, Donald Trump, here's what he told us. Here's the truth. That's what journalists used to do. Now you've got this idea of channeling the rage for the people. What that means is it's something I've seen in activist circles where it was explained to me that what people are looking for is someone to strike down a symbol of what they view as their enemy or the cause of their problems. So the reasons why someone like Jim Acosta would do so well, he would get so many followers constantly doing this. It's not that he's asking any real questions or actually challenging the president. It's that the people who don't like Trump see him as striking a symbol down. It doesn't matter if he's telling you the truth or not. Now you get performative journalism

where Chris Cuomo pretends to come out of his basement, where you get people standing up at the White House correspondents or at the press conferences just arguing instead of actually asking questions. And then YouTube, Facebook and Twitter say, this is the truth. We deem it so. YouTube now puts them, among other outlets, on the front page of the website, guaranteeing hundreds of millions of views. Meanwhile, independent commentators like myself, we actually get hurt in the algorithm. If you go to my channel, they only show you Fox News. If you want to watch me, then you are guaranteed in the sidebar,

the next video will be Fox News. They prop up all of these channels. David Pakman, for instance, you get MSNBC, Jimmy Dore, Fox News. I don't understand why they're going to send Jimmy's lefty followers to Fox News, but they're doing seemingly everything in their power to make sure individuals like myself and other commentators are struck down while channels like CNN, Fox, followers to Fox News, but they're doing seemingly everything in their power to make sure individuals like myself and other commentators are struck down while channels like CNN, Fox, and MSNBC are propped up, even though we know that they put out fake news. But isn't that because of the algorithm though? And do you think that algorithm is engineered in order to lean towards those mainstream sites? Absolutely. 100%? We can see when it happened. It was May of last year.

I've looked at my analytics around the time these smear pieces came out, arguing that there was a rabbit hole, where if you watch one kind of content, it's all you get. It's a very, very misleading way of framing what was really going on. And I'm surprised that YouTube just bent over for this. You basically have YouTube's competition, these media outlets, using their media weight to hurt YouTube in ad sales. So YouTube says, you got it. We'll give you front page access.

We'll guarantee you people watch your content. Right. But they're doing that because that content's very popular and that generates ad revenue. Well, I would say no, actually. I would argue against that. Well, OK. But listen, like Tucker Carlson, for example. You've got to know he's hugely popular.

Absolutely. If you have a Tucker Carlson video, it's going to generate millions of views. Absolutely. So YouTube, within their best interests. I'm talking about Alison Camerota. Is anybody really Google searching on YouTube Alison Camerota's opinion on this? All day. I don't think so.

I don't know who that is. Right. Exactly. And so you wouldn't be searching for it. Tucker, of course, we know. So you're saying it's the channel in general, not just someone who's popular like Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson. They, as very famous personalities, very obviously do get –

More. Get more naturally. Yeah. So people are searching for Tucker all day and night, Hannity and Rachel Maddow, things like that. But if you look at what YouTube has even said to CNN, they prop up authoritative sources. Yes. If you search for a news story, guess who you're going to get? If you Google search, you know, Tara Reid, Joe Biden, you're going to get CNN. Do you think that they're doing

that, though, because they're trying to get rid of conspiracy theories? Yes. Yeah. That's the principal reason. Yeah. They're trying to get, like, I understand what they're saying in terms of, so like the CEO of YouTube, when she said that they're going to go with the World Health Organization. I don't think it's a good idea to go with the World Health Organization because it seems like it's a very corrupt organization, but I do understand this desire to go towards respected and established medical professionals. I agree. So if respected and established medical professionals have a protocol for dealing with coronavirus,

we should listen to them, right? Yeah, absolutely. And there's a lot of wacky fucks online that are trying to say that it's not a real virus and that it's 5G. And there's all that kind of stuff is dangerous. You know what they told me? Don't you think? Absolutely.

Absolutely. But they told me, they published editorial guidelines. Very early on, I did a video about this, January 23rd, when they first started locking down. I did a segment talking about what was going on, and I actually didn't think it was a big deal. This was before anybody was really covering it. I mean, this is, you know, impeachment was happening. And YouTube fully monetized it. covering it. I mean, this is, you know, impeachment was happening and YouTube fully monetized it.

So I have a thing on YouTube called self-certification, where when I upload a video, they ask me, does your video contain any of the following? My videos are always clean, family friendly, I don't swear. And I was approved, video monetized. A week later, they implemented a new change without telling anyone. Anyone talking about coronavirus was instantly demonetized, deranked, possibly had your videos harder to find, things like that. And it wasn't until about a couple weeks ago, they overturned these derankings on my channel. They told me before they published the guidelines, you cannot say these things, one of which was that it may have emerged from a biolab. Now we have on April, I think it was the 16th, a former Clinton

administration NSC staffer saying that Occam's Razor suggests the most likely place that this came from was breaking out of a Wuhan biolab. There was a story by Brett Baier over at Fox News where he said, according to sources he has who have overseen the documents, they believe that China was trying to essentially prove their worth with American bio research by racing to do this development. And there was a breach. And this resulted in the COVID outbreak. That's Fox News and CNN. CNN's run multiple segments saying this. When I talk about it, I get deranked, demonetized, confirmed. They say, you can't talk about this, Tim. CNN can. They're authoritative. You can't. Even if I use them as a source, even if I say like, so what I try to do is, you know, weigh the sources. How good are they?

Brett Baier, that's a good source. I mean, Brett Baier is one of the last true news people. I'm not somebody who follows him too much, but he's a straight news guy. He put his name on this, and that says a lot to me. You don't got to like the guy. You don't got to like Fox News. But CNN also ran the story saying U.S. intelligence now believes, or I'm sorry, they're investigating whether this claim has merit. We also had a story from The Washington Post that asked the same question, even got a professor from Rutgers University to say it's very possible. The story actually emerged because at South China University in Beijing,

released a paper saying that somebody was doing experiments on bats with coronavirus. And one of the bats spilled blood on him and peed on him. And he had to self-quarantine for 14 days. Being that the Wuhan CDC, I think it's the CDC, is about 300 meters away from the food market, it seems like that was a likely scenario. They eventually retracted that paper. It's a fucking movie scene. Totally. So look,

it's not me saying it. I understand what you're saying. But I get knocked down for this. I'm not allowed to talk about it. I understand. But I think in their defense, some of this has to be that they're managing at scale. I agree. Some of this has to be the fact that millions of videos are uploaded every day, and they

have to keep this disinformation from spreading out of control. When you have all these fucking nut jobs that are saying, this is 5G, it's not even a virus, it's radiation sickness. Someone sent me, a guy that I really like, sent me this video of this doctor that seems like he's got schizophrenia or something. He's talking about this is a plasma disease caused by radiation. And I'm like, oh, fucking Christ. Imagine.

I've gotten so many people hitting me up. Tim, you got to talk about 5G. Oh, God damn it. Do you know how many people hit me up when 4G came out? Listen, 5G is a thing, right? It's a new bandwidth for cell phones. It's going to be really fast. It's going to be in your phone.

So the question is like, okay, all this stuff's flying through the air. There's all these signals through the air. What effect do they have on the human body? That's a good question. That's a good question. But to say that that's responsible for this coronavirus thing is fucking crazy. Totally. If you're saying they don't have any effect and here's why, I go, okay, this is why you don't need to be worried about UHF or whatever different waves that are flying around through the air, Wi-Fi.

People are worried about all that kind of shit. They're really concerned that this does have some sort of effect on human beings. They think that, in fact, cell phone signals have an effect on bees. Right. And that was one of the primary theories about the drop in bee populations. Yeah, colony collapse. Yeah, these cell phone signals are interfering with these bees' ability to communicate. But to say that it's the fucking coronavirus, like, Jesus Christ.

And then someone had a meme, Lil Duval had a meme that he put up on his Instagram And I retweeted it 5g is only in five countries you fucks right this guy Shit is spread across the whole world. Do you really think it's 5g? It's they I believe YouTube has to step in and they have to do something when shit like that is so egregious is so preposterous So the question is where do they draw that line if it would be nice if they could watch all your videos and say oh? Well, Tim pool is a really reasonable guy. They do okay, but do they do they read no that yeah? They do they really literally guy who's doing that yes? Who is a hundred percent dedicated to watching everything you do you put out a lot of fucking kind I do I?

Mean I tend to put out every day so if you had a guess ran average right now as of the past few months up to about If you had to guess, on average. Right now, as of the past few months, up to about three hours and 40 minutes per day. So you've got a guy that's dedicated to YouTube. His job is, what do you do? I'm the Tim Pool guy. So first, probably not like that specific, but I do have a partner manager. I do have every single video I put out on my main channel is reviewed, 100% of them. They just recently introduced my other two channels. So I have a total of three channels under my name where I put out around

10 to 12 separate videos per day for a total of about three hours and 40 minutes. They do. So if I upload a video, it gets reviewed. So I first self-certify. I say, this video has no swearing. It has no extreme imagery or anything like that. If someone watches it and demonetizes it, I then contact Google and they reverse it for me. So I actually have someone who fixes this. If there's an issue. They watch every episode. They do. They watch every episode.

Every episode. That's bonkers. So you got a guy who, that's an issue. They watch every episode. They do. They watch every episode. Every episode. That's bonkers. So you got a guy who, that's their job. I don't think it's necessarily one person. It's a team of freaks. My understanding is it is California-based. And so here's where I, look, I think YouTube's a very, very awesome thing. I wouldn't have a show.

I'd be working, you know, I was working for a Disney company and I did not like it. And I was able to leave and start my own business and I'm rather successful with it. And it's because of YouTube. And it's because they view me as trustworthy. I've known them for a long time. They've worked with me. It's not perfect. The challenge is fundamental human rights and the collapse of the media industry.

When we have news outlets that – so I'll give you an example. You posted this on Instagram that people were – calls for poison and disinfectant ingestion had gone up after Trump's comments, right? Right. That's not true. It's fake news. I fell for it too. I tweeted it out. I tweeted the George Carlin quote, the one that's – think about how stupid the average person is and realize half of them are stupider than that. Sure enough, it turns out they faked the story.

The real story is that since the start of the pandemic, people have been buying more cleaner than normal. So statistically, with more people having cleaner, they're more likely now to accidentally ingest it. And since March, the calls have been going up. The New York Daily News, one of the main purveyors of the story, tacked on after Donald Trump's comments. Unrelated, unrelated, unrelated. So here's the problem. If the Daily News, if CNN, if Fox, if MSNBC, if these outlets are going to do these things in a desperate bid to stay alive as their methodology fails. And YouTube is going to give them preferential access,

which is what they've done, then we're in serious trouble. But they don't give the Daily News preferential access. No, no. They don't have a channel. The main networks. Do they? I don't think. I'm sure they do.

The main networks aren't that egregious, right? Here's one that really grossed me out was CNN. I believe they tweeted, one of the reporters at CNN tweeted that Elon Musk has not supplied all the ventilators that he promised. And then Elon said, are you aware that Twitter has a search feature? And then he starts retweeting all of these different hospitals showing the ventilators, people thanking him.

It has a Tesla logo on it. And it was the hospitals that requested them specifically. Yes, and had specific parameters. So you know what CNN did? Argued semantics. The article that was written to prove they were right was that those aren't ventilators. Real ventilators are invasive ventilators that go in your body. And CPAP is a ventilator.

Is a ventilator, as is a BiPAP, but they're called non-invasive or non-intrusive. That's such a fucking gross way to justify what you tweeted. And so journalists are supposed to help you understand what's going on in the world, not confuse it for the goal of making money. Brad, that's what it is, right? It's about clickbait.

Absolutely. If you can clickbait that the smartest man in the world fucked up and didn't give the ventilators, like, ooh. You want to know what the scariest thing is? CNN,

any of these networks can make a fake story, get a million views, a day later, apologize, retract, and they keep all the money they made.

They don't got to give it back. So they're actively incentivized. I'm not saying they're sitting there, you know, twirling a mustache, being like, let's write a fake story.

But they know that if they do, they get paid. And so what? You know what? The fake news gets a million hits. The retraction gets 30K. We get paid for both. So is this an editorial review fail where editors are not reviewing these articles that are being written by journalists? I think they're all swimming in a toilet circling down to the, down to the drain. Because what happens is somebody, so I saw a story written, I think it was an op-ed for the

Washington Post or something about Trump's alligator moat. That's fake news. That was never real. Alligator moat. Right, right. So the story from 2017 that Trump talked about putting alligators in a moat around the southern border or something was like, it's ridiculous. But here's what happens. You write a fake story. They wrote that? Yeah. So that was his idea to do that? It's been a while.

My understanding of the story was that a source familiar with, you know, Trump's thinking said that Trump had discussed an alligator moat. And I'm like, even if Trump did, isn't it obvious it was a joke? They take, they run – they go nuts. How many fucking alligators would it take to guard the southern border? 2,000 miles or whatever. But now we see this pop up again. And so I'll tell you what, man.

The scariest thing is how these social networks remove – like we talked about this last year. They remove a certain point of view. Like this biotech company, they default on what is authoritative and the authoritative falls in one direction almost every single time. Falls left. Right. Yes. So, you know, I can't tell you how many stories I've gone through where it's like, you know, that Peter Navarro story where Trump said to the journalist, you're a nasty, nasty reporter and everything. Yes. What you don't see was the full context where the guy kept goading Trump for like 10, 15 minutes. And then finally Trump snaps at him and they take that one soundbite and say, look at Trump just being a dick. It's like, well, yes, Trump's got no filter and he gets mad.

But they cut out the entire exchange where this dude was poking and prodding and like really just insulting the guy. So this guy, Peter Navarro, he's saying things like, why are you trying to give people hope? Don't you think that offering up false hope is wrong? And Trump's like, no, I don't think so. I think this was in chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine. So you get a guy that keeps, you know, goading him and arguing with him. And that's what the point I was making earlier. It's these people for CNN and whatever network have realized, hey, we're going to get ratings. Well, let me tell you this. First of of all that way of communicating is fucking terrible. It's second only to

the terribleness that in those late night news shows where they have three different people like with three the screen separated into three chunks

and this person on the right is arguing with this person on the left and the moderator is trying to keep everybody in order and everyone's talking over everybody and everyone's looking for a soundbite and everyone's looking to get their shots in before the buzzer because there's like a bell coming when the commercial runs. It is the dumbest way to really explore a complicated idea.

Right. And second only to that is these fucking things where the president stands at the podium and people yell things out. Someone called it the Kung Flu. Yeah, I know. Someone called it the Kung Flu. Yeah, I know. Someone called it the Kung Flu. Do you not denounce that? This racist word, Kung Flu?

And Trump said, who said it? Yeah. I don't know. I heard. I don't know. You know what I loved? When one of the journalists asked Trump about the price of oil, he goes, where's it at? And the guy says, oh, I don't know.

But no, no, no. Where's the price of oil? The reporter says, I don't know. Then why are you asking? Next question. Yeah. These people, they don't know. But no, no, no. Where's the price of oil? The reporter says, I don't know. Then why are you asking? Next question. Yeah. These people are don't they don't know what they're look. I've sat in these rooms at press conferences. I have stood in front of public officials as they prepared an announcement. And I know exactly I've talked to these producers. I've talked to the journalists. They're like, ask a question. What should I ask? Just just ask

anything. So they've they've I've been thrown in people, like, ask them something. I'm like, what am I supposed to ask them? Ask them anything. Make something up. Because they want you to get that screen time so they can say it's theirs. a certain amount of attention to lean towards that attention. This is your base. Now, these are the people that are supporting you and you find it with like online commentators and where what's really weird is when like a person used to be left and then you see them getting a little bit of love from the right and they start kind of like entering over there and their comments and they get more and more attention and then they just jump ship. And the inverse, like people who were leaning towards more right wing talking points got comments and they get more and more attention and then they just jump ship. And the inverse. Yes.

Like people who were leaning towards more right-wing talking points got attacked for it and then immediately came out in support of certain politicians. Yes. Yeah. Yes. You see people leaning towards what gets them the most amount of love. Right. And for Jim Acosta, it seems like he gets a lot of love for attacking this guy because he's talking for them, for the people at home.

I wish I could ask the president, what the fuck are you doing? Get him, Jim. It's scary when I go on Reddit, for instance, and they've basically purged 90 percent of any pro-Trump point of view. Really? It's gone, man. I pull up Reddit and what do I get? It's all lefty commentary. If you go to like r slash politics, which has I think five to six million subs, they use left-wing activist websites as news sources.

So it's not a place for real political discussion. It's a place to get your biases confirmed. The same is true for the Donald Trump subreddit, which has been basically purged. Your bias is confirmed. The same is true for the Donald Trump subreddit, which has been basically purged. You know, they used to have a real subreddit called the Donald. And it's gone now. Yeah, they killed it.

They killed it because they thought that it was filled with trolls, right? They killed it because they claimed the Trump supporters were threatening cops. I'm not joking. That's the story. Doesn't that sound a little strange to you? That Trump supporters would be anti-cop to me. That doesn't make any sense. Not only that, it doesn't make any sense that you would use that as an example for a necessary move to ban the entire subreddit.

It seems like. So it's not banned. What is it? It was quarantined. Quarantined. So you can no longer search for it. The only way to access it is to be subscribed and to give your email. They've since abandoned that and created a new website, thedonald.win. You go there, you're going to hear only good things about the president.

And while there are certainly things you will just like any rational person would disagree with, I think a healthy discourse tries – you want to see the counterpoints. You want to see the positive points. You want to better understand, you know, is there a real reason why Donald Trump did something or is he just an idiot? And if you're only getting one side of it, your view of the world is just totally – Reddit used to be like the Wild West, right? It was pretty wild until like 2016. It was very little moderating. Reddit is so incredibly easy to manipulate and control, ridiculously easy, that I remember – man, what year was it?

Maybe 2015. Political operatives were seeking ways to prop up politicians manipulating Reddit's algorithms because users have direct control of it. I'll just tell you it's ridiculously easy to do, like insanely easy. They've since made it more difficult but one person with 10 cell phones and you could own the front page of Reddit very, very easily. That's crazy. Since then, we've seen accusations of, and I think it's fair to say, in my experience, I know that this tends to exist, sock puppetry. When someone runs multiple accounts pretending to be different people to create the perception of consensus. Yes.

And that's what they do. That's really, really common. Super common. I know a guy who is a moderator at Reddit and told me this one account had nine different people or one person had nine different accounts. They were using to attack this guy. And you can – so the way Reddit works for those that don't know is you upvote and downvote something. If it has more upvotes, it moves up. If it has more downvotes, it slowly disappears. So if you create a bunch of different accounts using proxy servers or,

you know, other IP manipulation, you can make sure your post is always in front. Now, was there a concern that the Donald's, that the Donald Reddit site was being manipulated, that someone, that they were basically just using it? Early on, yeah. So the Donald post would frequently hit the front page of all. So if you go to Reddit and you want to see every subreddit, the Donald is always on top. Because it was so active? It depends on who you ask, right? Or because people were manipulating it, one or the other. There's a good argument for both. I don't have the evidence to give you a definitive answer.

I think it's fair to say that Trump supporters will smash the upvote button, make sure those posts always fly to the top because they're very enthusiastic. Very enthusiastic. It's also possible that somebody had a bot, you know, botnet that was, you know. They can do that too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But one of the things that the Donald got in trouble for, I think, was they would do what's called a sticky post. So that means if you went there, one post was always on top of their page. So the supporters knew to upvote it, guaranteeing it would get a lot of traction. Oh. But we actually saw – this is the craziest thing.

The CEO of Reddit manipulated in the database someone's comment who was a Trump supporter. This actually – this is – like could you imagine? The CEO did this. They edited it? He went into the database, the hard database for someone's comment and changed what they said. What? Yeah. And he apologized for it saying, I got angry.

Someone called him a pedo. So he was like, oh, yeah, and he went in. Oh, that's right. I remember this. he actually edited the words to make that person look like a piece of shit like anti-trump or something yes so i'll tell you what man look there's there's a there's a lot of arguments you can make about policy and the right way to solve these problems but i go on the front i go i open reddit and i'm browsing through it and i see these comments from people that clearly do not understand what's going on with these protests of people who want the economy to reopen.

And I try and talk to my friends about it and it seems like they're trapped because I think – it's like you were mentioning how people drift towards what gets them the most love. But now it's not just famous people. It's not just people on social media. It's everybody who does that and they don't want that worldview broken. Well, they also don't want to lose the respect of their friends who are also subscribing to that same ideology. Yeah. Yeah. That's a big part of it, man. Over here in California, if you're not left wing, if you don't just instantaneously, when there's an issue, just instantaneously, when there's an issue, instantaneously side with the left, you get chastised and you get called a racist or you get called a Nazi or you get called a Trump

supporter. You can't even have a rational perspective on things. You can't say something like, in hindsight, it was a good idea that Donald Trump closed off travel from China because it was coming from there. And a lot of people were calling him racist. It turned out to be a good move. And then they've shut it down from a lot of different places as well. You can't say that.

So, yeah, right. So the first thing Trump does is the task force. Two days later, the travel ban. Joe Biden says the last thing we need is Trump's xenophobia. Then on March, I think, 12th, Trump suspends travel from Europe. Joe Biden says a travel ban won't stop this. April 3rd, Biden says, actually, Trump was right about that. Now Joe Biden's launching ads saying Trump didn't go far enough. Now Nancy Pelosi is saying Trump should have banned Americans from coming back in.

Did you ever see that video where Nancy Pelosi is talking about telling people to go to Chinatown? Oh, yeah, of course. That video is fucking insane. And when they confront her on it, on Fox News, I think it was Chris Wallace on Fox News was talking to her about it. She's saying, well, the record will show that I was saying don't be rude to Chinese people. Now, you were down there encouraging it. Yes. And the record will show. She's such an ineffective speaker.

It's so bizarre that she got to a position of power because she's so disingenuous and so fake in the way she communicates, especially on those shows. Maybe she's just old. Maybe she was better before. I don't know. Maybe, right? That's the Biden question. Oh, man.

Yeah, the Biden question. That dude's not even, he's not even here anymore. It's so weird. It's so weird that they're pretending that it's okay, that this is going to be fine. But the way they're defending him over these allegations is this the creepiest thing ever. Or ignoring the allegations entirely. You see Alyssa Milano when she came? Yes.

What is this? Yeah, she said he deserves due process. Yeah, please. What about all the other times? What about all the other people? This is it. It's, you know, I can't predict what's going to happen. There's a lot of things that are changing, you know, right now that's going to affect whether or not Trump wins, the Republicans win or lose.

But what about this weird thing that he wants to do where he wants to insist on a woman of color as a vice presidential nominee? Biden wants to? I think he said – I'm not sure if he said woman of color. I think he said he's guaranteeing it's going to be a woman and he's looking at a woman of color. I'm not entirely sure. To me, that's absurd. I mean, if you've got a good candidate, I think, you know, I don't care what they look like, what their skin color is, their race, gender. I know a lot of people on the left view that as

like short-sighted because, and I think there's decent reasons to talk about how identity plays, you know, into how you view the world and the policies you want to implement. I just think it's dangerous to create that kind of... Yeah, we're not talking about prom queen. We're talking about someone who actually has a real important job. You shouldn't pick them based on what part of the world their ancestors are from or what gender they are. That's ridiculous. I would actually say on a scale of one to a hundred, that's not near the top 50. But I think it is fair to say that that's not near like the top 50. But I think it is fair to say that there's a real reason why that would play a factor, play a role. Like you've got a lot of people who have never experienced certain things and that includes the left.

And one of the big problems we have in politics is what we see coming from the left is really based on urban living and from conservatives on more likely to be rural living. So when you see people on the left argue for like rent strikes and things like that, well, yeah, you're in cities where you're predominantly renters. So that's your big issue. It doesn't resonate the same with people who live in areas where they primarily own their homes or if you're talking about the Second Amendment. Like obviously people in cities, they tend to be liberal. They want gun control. Yeah, because you've got a very, very dense population.

Gun accidents probably are an issue and you've got a very, very dense population. Gun accidents probably are an issue. And you've got cops within a minute's notice. You live in a rural area. The cops are 40 minutes away. You need to protect yourself. So this divide creates a difficulty in creating policy for the entirety of the country. That's a good point. I personally would never place someone's like racial identity or gender in the top priorities. But I do think it's it

is fair to point out that, you know, a black woman is going to understand things about life in the black community that a white man's not going to. That doesn't mean you give him a job because of it. You can point out the perspectives will be different. I agree with both those things. Right. That's a good point, too, in terms of the overall country is so enormous and it's so different and varied. Like to find some common ground amongst everyone is so incredibly difficult. So it's a contest of who's got the bigger, bigger bucket. Yeah. Bigger electoral bucket. Yeah. That's a good way of putting it, too. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like. But either way, there's so many people that are just going to vote left to get Trump out of office. They don't care. You're going to elect a guy

with dementia. You got to pull up this article, stay alive, Joe Biden by the Atlantic. No, I'm not kidding. When did they put this in? Oh man, it was a couple of weeks ago. Maybe it's called stay alive, Joe Biden, all something. And then she says something like, all we need is your corporeal form. And it's, it's amazing. No, you're going to love it. It's not, not only arguing that we just need Joe Biden's body,

but it actually kind of argues he's a bad candidate. And it's like, it doesn't matter though. It doesn't because we just don't like Trump. Well, they're right about that. He's a bad candidate. Biden.

Yeah. They could have done so much better with Buddha judge with Klobuchar with they're terrified of Tulsi Gabbard. They're terrified of Bernie Sanders. And Andrew Yang, I think, probably freaks them out a little bit too. I was – I'm a big fan of Tulsi and followed by Yang. And a lot of people didn't like that because I rag on Democrats all the time. It's like more – I'll fully admit it.

You can criticize me all day and night. I very, you know, much see Pelosi and Schiff, Nadler and like, you know, the problems we have with them. And I'm not a fan of their policies. I think they go, you know, they either do nothing, but you know, within that I saw Andrew Yang and his website, the list of things he's gone through for what he's thought about was, was insane. I mean, the dude had a policy for everything. He's a brilliant guy. Absolutely. And he's also not a politician.

So his approach is going to be from a guy who's an entrepreneur. Right. A guy who looks at it in terms of problems to fix. You can argue there's a similar thing there with Trump being a businessman. But Yang's list of – he has a comprehensive list of policy positions was – to me I was like, I like it. I do. He's not that guy. The thing about Trump is a giant personality, right? Whereas Yang is a really reasonable person. Yeah. For me, you know, Tulsi's anti war stance was paramount. I think the US has wasted too much

money. We've got people arguing for, you know, fix the pipes in Flint. And I'm like, right on, let's stop building weapons and doing deployments and trying to control these foreign countries and start working within America. And I think that there's a reason why a lot of moderates and conservatives like Tulsi, and it's that it's kind of America first, right? Why are we applying so much of our resources and time and energy to these foreign countries? We shouldn't be doing that. Well, also, she's earned that perspective with two tours of duty overseas. She served in the armed forces. She's been a congresswoman for six years. She understands a lot about how this works.

I disagree with her on some of her domestic policy issues, nuclear energy and – What is her stance on nuclear energy? She opposes it. Well, I don't want to speak for her because I'm trying to be very careful, but negative view on nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is different than Three Mile Island or Fukushima. We need to understand that when you're looking at some of these issues that they have with Fukushima in particular, which is kind of an antiquated system that they had set up that they can't really shut off, which I had a whole bit about how crazy that is. When you're talking about the nuclear power that they could implement today, it would be a very different system. That would be fairly clean.

Extremely high return on energy investment and zero emissions. But there's a fear because of the past. Just put it somewhere that sucks. Put a big one somewhere that sucks and juice up the whole country with it you know when it came to Yang I felt like here we had a guy who I'm not a big fan of UBI it's a weird one right I think the way he put it spoke more

to me than the way anyone else ever framed it and I actually felt like he shouldn't have called it universal basic income well didn't he call it the freedom dividend right but it became UBI to so many people. That's how they went with it. Yeah. When you see, you know, Amazon, Google and these big companies becoming just insane behemoths that can't, you know, they can't be broken up. They just absorb and absorb and absorb. And there's an argument for some kind of dividend to the

American people for potentially what they do outside of the United States. It's very complicated economics. I guess I'm not smart enough to pretend like I know anything about. But you look at – he brought the example of Alaska. They have the oil drilling. The people who live in Alaska get a portion of that revenue and those profits. That makes sense. UBI, the way it's framed in general, makes very little sense. And eventually, I think we're actually seeing now with the government stimulus, one of the biggest pitfalls to it. Do you hear there's a story they ran an NBC, a woman, her employees were like in revolt because she acquired a loan from the Paycheck Protection Program that insured their jobs, meaning they would receive less money because under the CARES Act, they would have received a bonus of $600 per week on

top of the salary they'd normally get. They actually preferred to have lost their jobs. So you have people who are complaining that they're keeping their jobs now. So there's – That's one instance though. There's a couple stories like that. But the challenge with just giving people cash, cash is the assumption that the cash has inherent value

when the value of it is based upon what you can get for it. So one of the lessons I think we learn now with the economy being shut down is doctors and nurses got to work. You know, that we need them on the front line. They're also getting paid. What do they use that money for? Pay their rent, buy food, things like that.

We're facing food shortages. If you can't buy anything with the money, what's the point of taking the money? I mean, like, if you were given the choice, you're going to work. You're going to go work your job at a grocery store. You're an essential worker. We're going to pay you 400 bucks.

Your buddy, who isn't. Okay, let me stop you right there. Because the universal basic income was not designed to deal with a pandemic. It was designed to deal with automation, which would have not stopped the supply chain, which wouldn't have created food shortages. This is a sort of a unique situation. So you're comparing apples to oranges. You're applying universal basic income to our current

situation, which has nothing to do with the reason why he wanted to implement it in the first place. He's worried that automation is going to take away jobs. He's right. It will. It probably will. Now consider this problem, though. There will always be some kind of essential work, right? Yes. What do you tell the essential worker when other people are getting money

and don't work that you have no choice because you're essential? Even in an automation system. So let's say every job, but grocery... But hold on a second. They're only getting

a small amount of money to stay alive. You would rather have a good job where you're getting paid well and have benefits and all that other stuff. I think that's an assumption. It is an assumption, but the problem with universal basic income, the real problem is a psychology

issue. The real problem is the way human beings work. We need incentives. People don't just want to survive and get a little check from the government. People would be despondent. You don't want to create a United states of welfare like an all-encompassing thing where some you know these programs that are in place that

automate all of the goods and services they take some of that money and give it back to the people because no one can work like that's a that's a depressing dystopianian future. That's a terrible place to live. You ever watch Battlestar Galactica? Yes, loved it. You ever see Snowpiercer? Was that the... Are you talking about the new Battlestar Galactica or the old one? Yeah, the new one. What was Snowpiercer? Which one was that? That's where Chris Evans is on a train that travels around the

world because the world is frozen and only that train has... It's kind of a weird premise. This is an episode of Battlestar Galactica? No, no, no, no. It's a movie. I'm just bringing up two different bits of fiction to make a point. Oh, yeah. It's a futuristic movie.

It's real weird. Who else is in it? Chris Evans is in it. Captain America, right? Tilda Swinton is in it. Yeah. I did see that. It's real weird.

Yeah. It's kind of cool. It's kind of weird. So they take kids from the back, from the poor cart, and have them work internally in the engine because they have to move things around because parts are missing. If they don't, everyone – all human life dies. So they literally go in the back and they take children away from their families who scream and reject this. In Battlestar, they had children who were also taken for a similar reason to work. You had people who had no choice but to work on the fuel processing ship.

Otherwise, all of humanity would be wiped out. I've often thought about, you know, I'm a huge fan of Star Trek The Next Generation. How do we get to a post-capitalism world where we still have incentives, but we're post-scarcity? The problem is, as we're in transition, there will be jobs that are essential, which means one of the glimpses we get, I understand a pandemic is different, but we still see a glimpse of people who have to work, you know, kind of low skill, boring, tedious jobs like at a grocery store, while other people who have higher skill jobs are getting their needs met by the government, at least in terms of the cash.

So we're here telling, you know, these people- You're talking about right now? Right, right. So again, I understand it's a pandemic. It's very specific, but we're getting a glimpse of what happens when some people are told your job is not essential. So we're going to guarantee your food and resources for the time being. automation, there will still be jobs that are essential. What do we do? How do we, you know, incentivize and compensate, make that worth the people who have no choice but to keep working while the rest of us don't? I don't know if it's a keep working while the rest of us don't issue. I think it's a problem of jobs being phased out. I think the real problem is automation is going

to phase out jobs. It's not going to be about what's essential and what's not essential. I think you're sort of applying pandemic vernacular. Well, let's remove the pandemic from it. And let's say, you know, right now, one of the things I looked at, and we talked about this a little bit before, I met a homeless guy in Chicago. And he worked at a job that became obsolete. I'll step back a little bit. I asked the homeless guy how he became homeless when I was like 19. And he told me that he had a job.

He worked there for 20, 30 years. As he got older, his family moved away, lost contact, these were different times. Some friends and family had died. When his company became obsolete, technology didn't matter anymore. He was cast out. He had nowhere to work anymore

and his expertise was very specific. So he got a severance package. That ran out, he got unemployment. That ran out, he got kicked out. Now he's homeless. I look at that and I say, how do we make sure that doesn't happen? This guy should not be punished simply because times have changed. But if you scale that up and say it keeps happening in every different sector, eventually

you'll end up with 90% of the population saying my needs will be taken care of and 10% saying I still have to work, whatever the industry may be. That's a transitional period. It's going to be very difficult. We automate most jobs except for some. Some people will still have to work. Does anybody really think we're going to automate most jobs though? I mean, there's so many jobs that can't be automated. I don't think that's going to be the... I mean, you're talking about some weird sort of futuristic version. Star Trek. Yeah. I don't think that's what we need to be concerned with. I think the idea of universal basic income is wonderful.

The idea that your needs are taken care of in terms of food and housing, and then everything else you got to do on your own. If we're looking at, when we look at struggle, right? We look at struggle across the board. Can't feed yourself. Can't put a roof over your head can't what if the this is what was attractive about universal basic income to me what if we all agreed that some semblance of dignity is a part of being an american and then we will provide you with food we will provide you with. Everything else you have to fucking earn. And that's interesting.

That's interesting. I like that. I like it. But I don't know. People don't work well when they don't have to. Exactly. When people don't have an incentive. And the competition is important.

And when you look at people that are anti-capitalist, that are really into socialism, one of the things you find is a lot of rich kids that's it's weird right it's fucking real weird it's because they don't understand real struggle because they've grown up without it and they have these ideals like they feel guilty because they've grown up without struggle and they want to help the world and they think capitalism is evil and i never saw my dad so we need to we need to get all these rich people need to give that money to all these poor people we need to get all these rich people and they need to give that money to all these poor people and we need to balance out income.

You know what else they notice? The people around them are all white. People that are into socialism? The people that are into socialism tend to be upper class, upper middle class, white. Obviously, we're generalizing in a big way here. Right, right, right. A lot of them. But there's some studies, some research that came out that finds the overwhelming majority of socialists in the United States. They came from upper middle class

to upper class families that tended to be white. Yeah. And those are the ones that focus so hard on these social justice warrior issues. You take a person who's been surrounded by rich white people. Yes. It probably got a reason to not like them, but then they assume all white people are the same and you end up seeing this racialization of politics. Also, they find themselves in a position of affluence that they didn't earn. They want to burn it all to the ground. Yep. And they assume, you know, I think there's some truth in that, you know, that there's people who have money they didn't earn and there are leeches on the system.

They make money from money. They've never done anything in their lives. Sure. They're arrogant. Sure. There's a lot of people like that. Right. But, you know, when you then take that generalization and apply it to anyone who has money or everyone and you take it to a dark place.

Exactly. When I first started, you know, entering the public space in terms of news and politics, I was at Occupy Wall Street. And before I had any notoriety, I was being heralded. They called me a good example of what's wrong with the system. Here's Tim Pool, a high school dropout, mixed race guy. And here he is just sleeping in a dirt park using his phone to tell the real stories of the world. After I got featured in Time Magazine, what did they say?

Tim Pool is white and he was born with a silver spoon, which is not true. It's absolutely not true. But the socialist types, the activists couldn't accept that I had jumped the class system, I guess. Their view of the world is rigid, that the rich people keep the poor down, there's no chance for upward mobility, and that's not the case. You absolutely can become successful from humble means. One of my favorite AOC quotes was her talking about, it's literally impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps when she used to be a waitress and now she's a congresswoman like like you can't look it's not impossible but

it's not even that's what we need to address it's not even the reality is some people have a far easier path absolutely some people have a far more difficult path it's just this is just but you have to deal with the hand you're given. If life is a game and while I'm not saying it's a game, it is life, but it's similar to a game in that you're dealt a set of cards, you're dealt a set of circumstances. And yes, some people just get four aces from birth. Your dad's a multi billionaire and your whole family's always been rich and you never have to worry about a goddamn thing for the rest of your life. Well, guess what? Those people turn out to be fucking miserable and crazy. There's some benefit in being born with a shitty hand of cards.

Absolutely. There really is a motivational benefit for sure. Gumption. You know, there's a TED talk. There's one trait, one personality trait that guarantees success of all it's not intelligence it's not class it's not race it's not gender

you know what it is? what? perseverance that's it I believe that there's a TED talk on it it's interesting and it's true

now I think there's always going to be certain limits based on your ability like I'm never going to play in the NBA not tall enough nowhere near as fast

or can jump high enough actually that's not true I can jump pretty high on skateboard, but you take people who don't have top tier intelligence, not the strongest, but if they work hard enough, they can find their apex. They can find that point where they are successful and they can make it. It's not true for everybody. Some people are below that threshold. No matter how hard they try, they're going to need help. Well, I think that the problem is with any sort of generalization. Perseverance is the most important thing. Yes, sure. But you also have to be intelligent. You can't be doing the same

thing over and over again. No, I'm not going to quit. No, you have to be able to figure out what you're doing wrong as well as have perseverance. Perseverance is a necessary part of the equation, but there's many pieces to that equation. But define success in that regard, right? If success is... Well, it depends on the field that you're choosing. Right. If you're not smart enough to be an astrophysicist, you shouldn't be an astrophysicist. Right. If you're not tall enough to play in the NBA, you probably can't play in the NBA.

Do you think... That's not necessarily true, though. Muggsy Bowes, that dude was amazing. He was amazing. He was 5'7". Was he? Yeah. He did 360 dunk yeah it was amazing was he five five five three five three oh spud web that's right wow even shorter than i thought yeah but yeah you can do it yeah that's amazing it's very rare right we talked about two guys right two exactly exactly i like that yeah i i think the average person has the potential and the capabilities of being successful wealthy if they want famous I think one of the one of the challenges we have in our culture is

how we're raising kids and what we're what the values we're giving them well it's also what are you trying to do like what do you look there's a thing there's a bunch of different things that you could just you just don't have like some people can't sing They don't any fucking talent. They just don't have it their voice sounds like shit, but guess who else's voice sound like shit Bob Dylan Terrible voice yeah, how does it feel? Me come on man people love it because there's like authenticity and passion and there's something to it right? But he found out a way to make it work. He wouldn't win American Idol fuck no imagine music one of the greatest musicians Imagine him going like someone saying what do you want to do man? I want to be a singer-songwriter

Okay, just without any music or any interest minutes. Sing me a song Probably probably well, you know There's there there are a lot of people especially in the internet day and age that you would not expect to have made it Who made it? Yes, you know that's well, you know, there are a lot of people, especially in the Internet day and age, that you would not expect to have made it who made it. Yes. Well, you know, there's a lot. Yeah. I mean, and then there's rules today that I don't think really hold true. You know, people say, oh, you know, you have to be good looking.

You have to be thin. Well, Adele's not thin. She is now. She's thin now. People are mad at her for being thin. Yeah. But she just was talented. She just now. She's thin now. People are mad at her for being thin. But she just was talented. She just had a powerful voice.

Or that woman, Susan, what was her name that was on America's Got Talent? I don't know. It wasn't America's Got Talent. X Factor. X Factor. Susan Boyle. You fucking wizard over here. Susan Boyle. She looked like someone's Grammy. Right? But she belted

out this song that made Simon Cowell almost cry. Wow. Because she was just fucking talented, just really good. You can find a thing. But if you're Susan Boyle and you want to be a comedian, maybe her jokes are fucking terrible. Maybe she would show up at open mic night Sunday night at the comedy store over and over again and keep bombing. And then, you know, she never would have made it. Yeah, can't learn.

Some people just – That's it. I think if you can if you can learn right if you can you know one of the problems those people refuse to accept when they're wrong they're self-critical yeah they're not they don't have an analytical perspective in terms of their own issues they can't analyze themselves and see the flaws and be objective and introspective. Some people just don't have that because they've been protecting themselves. They have these sort of personality traits that protect themselves from self-deprecation, from understanding where they're flawed. When I was a teenager, I remember reading that Michael Jordan would watch tapes of himself playing to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know if that's true, but to me that was like, if you want to be the best like him, you need to actively look for what you're screwing up and call out immediately. Well, that's imperative for sparring. When you're sparring, like we used

to film a lot of, uh, back when I was competing, we would film sparring sessions and fights, particular fights, but sparring sessions, it was critical because you could see how you were telegraphing something and then you got countered. You could see how, and sometimes you don't think you're doing it, but then you realize like, oh my God, I'm dropping my hand every time I do this. And then you get caught. Yeah. That's with everything though. It's like poker.

Yeah. Yeah. Giving your towels away. And it's nuts. But I think most things you'd be better off seeing, like with comedy, it's massive. It's gigantic. Being able to visually see yourself is like primary. That's number one.

A little bit less good is listening to yourself. And at a certain point in time in your career, you can get away with just listening in terms of like – but there's a big difference between people who monitor their stuff and go over it and analyze it versus people who don't. And it's accelerated learning. It's like taking advantage of all the tools that you're given. And you can apply that to anything that you're trying to do good in life if you have the time and the energy. If you're doing a job and during this job, you just show up at work and you try to do your best. Then you go home and you fuck off and you do your stuff.

You'll get better at whatever you do. Exactly. But if you go and do your job and then afterwards analyze what you did, pay attention to it, write things down, make a diary perhaps or review your work. You'll get better faster. It's a matter of how or review your work. And you'll get better faster. It's a matter of how much time, as long as you don't burn out. I don't take days off, ever. Yeah, that's weird. I took a day off yesterday.

Had some bad sushi. Here's a lesson to everybody. I don't want to be mean to the sushi people. They were really nice to me. But, you know, maybe lay off sushi if they've been closed for a month because of a pandemic. Well, you're driving from the other side of the country. Text me, dude. I'll tell you the places. There's only – I go to like four places out here for sushi.

And everywhere else, I'm like, ooh, I don't know. Well, so here's what I wanted to say, right? I don't take a day off. And a lot of people say I'm crazy. And I've actually – my Monday through Friday is now double shifts every day. Then Saturday and Sunday are single shifts in terms of production. So I do Monday through Friday three hours and 40 minutes about – Saturday and Sunday is about an hour and 40 minutes. And what would I do if I wasn't working?

I'd be playing video games. But listen to the numbers you just said. Yeah, three hours and 40 Monday through Friday. Yeah, and then an hour and a half per weekend day. Yeah. That's still not a full day's work. That's still not a full week's work to the average person. An hour and a half of recording is like 10 hours of research. Oh, okay. So you're working more than that.

So it's like eight hours. So I'm doing constant research in between fact-checking. And then I record, like once I get everything in line and I think I'm confident on what I have, and of course I'm not perfect. Then I record for about 20 minutes. Then I get back to researching, reading, and I – so it's – Here's another benefit though. You work for yourself. Absolutely. You don't have some dickhead over your shoulder telling you what to do.

I chose this though, right? So there's a couple of things. When you brought up you get good at whatever it is you do, I tell my friends, every second you spend doing something is an investment into being better at that. So if you want to come home from work and play video games all day, you'll be really good at video games, man. Maybe you start a Twitch channel. Maybe you can make some money being a good personality, but you got to earn it. Or maybe there's something you want to do that instead of playing video games, you do that instead. For me, when I'm not working, I'm just sitting around like, why am I not working? What am I doing? You know, I ended up taking yesterday off.

I didn't work today because we're doing the show. And so I'm sitting, you know, sitting around watching TV shows like this is awful. I can't stand it. I got to read the news, man. I got to be into it. Well, you're driven. But also you're enjoying it. That's the difference between someone who's working in a fucking coal mine or someone who's working in a field all day picking strawberries yeah but i hate the job

i i hear you but you know you know how many people have hit me up you probably get something similar like how do i do what you do you know when i was working for vice and i was traveling around the world 10 20 emails every week from young people saying i really want to do what you do and you know what i you know what they would say to me when I would tell them how to do it? They would say, I will never do that. I would tell them, here's what you do. Do you have any money saved up? No? Okay. Where do you work? You don't work. Get a job, Starbucks, McDonald's, whatever you can get. Maybe you can do better than that. Save your money. Once you've saved enough, find a store you want, fly there, cover it. You know what they would say?

No. There's one person that said to me, I want to travel around the world and do what you do. How do I do it? I say, do you have money saved up? Yes. Excellent. There's a story right now going on in Turkey. All right?

You got to be secure. You got to be safe. But Istanbul is fairly okay. Fly there right now. Film it. And I'll see if I can make any connections on what you find. You know what they said? Well, the money I saved is for my apartment in Brooklyn. And I'm like, right, what's more important to you, having your nice Williamsburg apartment or being a journalist traveling around the world? Well, I like my apartment. I'm like, okay, listen, when I worked

for Vice, I was sleeping on a couch. Every dime they paid me, I put in the bank, I didn't touch it. I got a job working for a Disney, an ABC News joint venture company after that. They paid me a bunch of money. I put 70% in the bank. I didn't touch it. When I left, I went to a bunch of these New York digital companies. I'll spare them their names for any embarrassment, many of them who have become rather worthless. They still exist and they're big. And I decided after seeing what they had to offer, the bias, the deception, And they're big. And I decided after seeing what they had to offer, the bias, the deception, the clickbait-driven nature of it, I'm going to do it myself. And because I saved my money every step of the way, I was able to do so.

So then I had an apartment. Then I could pay for my plane ticket to Sweden, to France, to Germany to do these stories and started building up a base. Within about seven or eight months, I had gone from red to black. So now all of a sudden I was no longer losing money. I was making money. And I'm like, there it is. A couple of years on, ridiculously successful. For myself, I guess, you know, it's relative.

But I've got several employees launching new companies. One of the companies shattered a fundraising record of a million bucks in a single day. So that's – look, the path for me isn't the path for everybody. But sacrifice, you know – Well, you're basically saying exactly what they're saying in the TED Talk, perseverance. And you embrace the grind. But it's also what do you really prioritize? Yeah. For me –

What are you trying to do? I don't care about having an apartment. I want to see what was going on on the ground in Istanbul. So you know what? to do. I don't care about having an apartment. I want to see what was going on on the ground in Istanbul. It's also like who is the type of person that would chase down the stories? The type of person that's really going to chase down the stories is a person that's driven to chase down stories. What you're getting

is questions from idiots. You're getting questions from people that are like, how do I do it? And then when you offer the answer, I'm not going to do that. But those are the people that are never going to make it. There's a conversation I had with Ari Shaffir where he and Robert Kelly, apparently they thought about sponsoring a comic who's up and coming, taking care of their financial needs for like a year and trying to see how far they could get in their career if they didn't have to deal with money. And I said, that's the problem is the type of person who's going to make it is going to make it not just in spite of the fact that they don't have any money, but because of the fact they don't have any money. Those day jobs, those sucky jobs that you need to have when you're struggling, they

fucking motivate you. They're important. If somebody just comes along and gives you all the money you need for food, you're going to half-ass it. And some hungry guy on the other side of town is going to take all the gigs that you would get. They're going to write better jokes. They're going to be more motivated to go to open mics. They're going to pound the pavement harder. Well, I got a story for you. I'll try and get the details right. It's my buddy's company. So forgive me if I'm getting the details wrong. But he had a social media management company. He started it himself. He knew everything about social media, Instagram, and all that, and he started building up a client base where I'm going to run your social media for

you. Worked like a charm. Started making a ton of money, getting new contracts. These companies didn't know what they were doing. He got to a point where he had to hire people. He ended up hiring a couple of college grads, and he put up the ad saying, you know, college degree required. They couldn't figure anything out. They kept calling him, having problems, couldn't manage anything. So he fires him. Re-hires again, more college grads, same problem. Eventually has to fire him. Then he hires, because he's running out of money, he hires two high school, I think they were high school dropouts. And he was like, they wanted substantially less money. And at this point, I just couldn't find good people. They worked swimmingly.

It was amazing. No phone calls, no problems. These were people who had worked hard, saved up money in their small bumpkin hometown, moved to Los Angeles to make it big. They knew what they wanted. They knew what they had to do. And they said, I will find a way to do it. He said the other people are hiring were just like drones.

They just wanted a job. They didn't know or care what they were doing. They didn't bother. So they don't want to learn. But these people who are driven viewed this as just another problem to be solved on my path to success. Yeah, that's the mindset. And that's the difference. The mindset of success is the mindset of I will figure it out. So I think the problem is how we're raising people in this country. We're raising them in certain in certain areas, to expect things to be given to you.

You get a participation trophy no matter what you do. Your congratulations. Well, this is the problem with socialism. And this is the problem with universal basic income, what we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Expecting something from the government, particularly without any financial feasibility. There's no real logic to where that money comes from.

Like, show me your work. What the money is. Right. What is money? You know, so one of the arguments I keep seeing from a lot of people who have more, I don't even want to call them socialists. I think they're just regular urban dwelling, like liberal left type people. There's one viral post on Reddit that said, you've got these conservatives or you've got

these people out protesting so they can enrich their landlords and these billionaires when they should be demanding that rent be waived, that mortgages and evictions be canceled, and that the government take care of their needs and provide them with stimulus or something like that. And I look at that like you're very clearly living in a city, but what they don't understand is they say things like landlord isn't a job. I'll argue that there's a lot of very successful landlords who make a ton of money and do very little. But – It's a fucking job. Right.

It's so stupid to say it's not a job. It's not just that. It's the money you pay in rent can't just be wiped out because there's groundskeepers. There's maintenance. There's administrative assistance. There's taxes that have to be filed. Rent doesn't just go into their pocket so they can buy a boat. But they view it this way

and they think that money is what you want. When they say these people who want the government to be reopened are simply trying to enrich the wealthy, it's like I think maybe they make things and they want to keep making things. You mean the economy, not the government? The economy, yeah. Sorry. I keep mixing that up. But there are a lot of people that don't seem to understand. I think it's because when you live in a city, everything's already there for you. When I lived in New York, the Williamsburg Bridge, boom, there it is. I didn't see it built. I didn't pay a dime for it.

And I can just use it. I can cross over. It's just there. And you never had to fight for it. So you just say, why can't I just have it? You walk in any store and there's food. Hey, there's food. Easy. What they don't see is the supply chain, where the food is made, the work that goes into it. So they assume that money guarantees access to it, which it doesn't.

If the economy is shut down, the money can't buy you things. The value of that money starts going down. If the farms can't sell any of this to anybody and start dumping, and I think it's called fallowing fields, no longer farming, then there's nothing to buy. So if products aren't being made and services aren't being rendered because the economy is closed, what is your money going to get you? At a certain point, when the economy is shut down for too long, and we're seeing all of these businesses close, family businesses, I heard a story, terrible tragedy. Somebody killed themselves because their family business of 70 years was shut down. That product is gone. So eventually there's no food to buy. And only then will people realize that the government stimulus money has no inherent value. It's the work we do for each

other. That's the argument being left out when you get a biased view on social media or when these people don't quite understand. That's the problem. There's a lot of noise. People that don't quite understand, people that aren't a part of the supply chain that really don't know what it's like to like the people that raise food they're freaking out right now yeah people that raise cattle and the people that grow food and the fact that they have to deal with being shut down and trying to figure out how to restart things and when is it going to be okay to restart things when is it and what if it happens again if there's another another flare up two months from now? I mean, they're hurrying right now and they might take years to recover from these past couple months. Well, there was, I think, some health

official in California saying they might not be able to fully reopen until there's a vaccine, which could take 18 months. Fully reopen what? Like to go back to normal, right? So I think there was an MIT Technology Review article talking about how we may have to do intermittent lockdowns, you know, like two months lockdown, one month off. Jesus Christ. Until the vaccine is available. Then there was another study came out saying something similar. What about herd immunity? I mean, Sweden, they think they're on target for the end of May to have herd immunity, which is like 60%, I think. The information keeps changing.

We're learning more. So maybe these statements are, at this point, I don't know, obsolete. Yeah. Sweden's a weird place, too, because it consists mostly of little villages. Sweden? Yeah. I mean, they have very big cities. Well, you have Stockholm, but primarily the population is sort of, it's separated by these smaller towns. You all right over there?

I just inhaled water. If you hadn't already been tested for the COVID, I'd be really worried about you right now. People are weird about coughs now. Oh, yeah, totally. I inhaled water. Yeah. Coughs are nerve weird about coughs now. Oh, yeah, totally. I inhaled water. Coughs are nerve-wracking for folks. Oh, that's brutal. You all right?

Yeah, you gave me this bottle of water and I inhaled it. All right. I think you just messed me up. Are you okay? Yeah, I think so. Just give me it. Yeah, relax. Calm down.

Just breathe, whisper. Calm down. No, it's okay. I got to... Joe gave me the test. No COVID-19. Yeah, your voice sounds terrible. Whisper. No, it's okay. I got to... Joe gave me the test. No COVID-19. Yeah, your voice sounds terrible. Right now. I just inhaled water. How did you inhale it? I don't know.

I was trying to drink it and I inhaled it. That happens. Now I sound weird, right? Yeah, you sound like a different person. The secret is Joe just replaced me with somebody else. Yeah, you're too controversial. All that shit you were saying is too riling people up. Alright, I think I'm better. I won't inhale the water. Yeah, you're too controversial. All that shit you were saying is just too riling people up. Alright, I think I'm better. I won't inhale the water.

Oh, that still feels weird. Kyle Kalinske sent me something today. I wanted you to see, Jamie. It's some thing, there's some shit going down with UFO sightings. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've been... I don't know that they were new.

I'll send it to you. I've been following this stuff yeah, but they were new here. I'll send it. I'll send it to you. I've been following this stuff Yeah, it's um Hold on a second All right, I just texted it to you Pentagon Officially releases UFO. This is the tweet it says new Pentagon formally released three mysterious UFO videos captured by Navy pilots. The already leaked videos showed what DOD insists on calling unidentified aerial phenomenon moving at incredible speeds and performing near impossible maneuvers.

This is a weird subject because it's one of those subjects where people automatically dismiss it because it's been so tout subjects where people automatically dismiss it because it's been so it's been so touted by kooks there's so many wacky fucks that have talked about UFOs that anybody talking about UFOs has to be out of their fucking mind but then when you see these videos and you see them performing these impossible tasks like these things are moving in a way that we've never seen anything move before. Flipping upside down and sideways, moving at insane rates of speed. Like they don't know what these are.

Yeah. Aerial phenomena. What's interesting, though, is I was reading one of these stories, and they passively mentioned that the sighting was near a technology, a U.S. Naval like technology station the siding was near a technology a u.s naval like technology station of some sort like a top secret development and i'm like that could be one of two things either right it's developed by the people that are at that base or they're monitoring the people that are at that base these aircraft we call them aircraft are displaying characteristics

that are not currently within the u.s inventory nor any foreign inventory that we are aware of. Maybe they see this shit that's going down with China and all the ships being moved and like, listen, you fuckheads. The aliens? Yeah. Maybe they're like, listen, you fucking morons, you territorial apes. I'd like to think that, but... You don't think so?

Manhattan Project, man. I mean, the U.S. has probably got some crazy motherfucking weapons. Could be, but the Manhattan Project was also coincidentally right after they started detonating bombs when the aliens started showing up. That's what they think, right? Yeah, well, that was when the bulk of U.S. sightings started jumping, and worldwide, I believe, too. You know, maybe we've slowly been getting more and more information about this. I've been actually reading a lot of these stories over the past several months. More admissions from government, more release of documents, and more sightings.

So there's been a big, I don't want to call it, well, a lot of people murmuring that April was going to be the month when we finally learned the truth. April's almost up. It's almost up. It's almost up. We've got like a few days. Nah, man. The 27th? You know what I used to –

How many more days is left? 30? Do you know about what happened – do you know about the O'Hare Airport sighting? Which one is that? So this was I think in like 06 at Chicago's International O'Hare. A UFO came down and hovered above – I think – I can't remember which terminal it was. It hovered for a few minutes, I think, and then shot straight, punched a hole in the clouds. Everybody saw it happen.

Now, I had just quit working at O'Hare around this time when the sighting happened. So I had friends who were still there. I had a friend tell me that when this UFO came down, people on Mannheim Road, which is the road on the side of O'Hare, got out of their cars, just stopped the light, got up, and were looking and staring at it. And the people who are working, where we worked, we worked for American Eagle Airlines, walked out of the rooms and were just staring at it float and then shoot up and punch a hole in the clouds. And you know what they said?

Weather phenomenon. So there's a photo of it. A pilot took a photo of it. This is back when very early phone cameras, it's a very grainy, awful picture. There it is right there. That's not it. No pilot took a photo of it. This is back when, like, very early phone cameras. It's a very grainy, awful picture. There it is right there. That's not it. No, no, no.

That's super fake. I think – no. These are all people trying to fake it. It's really hard to find. That one is not – that one might be it, but I don't think so. It barely looks like anything. Chicago O'Hare UFO sighting 2006. Is that it right there?

I do not believe those are it, no. We'll click on that article. See what it says, Jamie. That's just some blog. That one might be on the left. But so many people try exploiting this stuff for clicks and for reviews, and they make these fake photos. That link's not working?

I'm clicking on it a few times. It was a very, very faint photo from the cockpit. It might be that one right there in the middle. No, no. So on the left side. Far left? It might be that one. No, no, that's not it.

That's not it. Well, there was a really crappy photo of it. That might be it. That might be. It was out of the cockpit of a window. A pilot took a photo. And, you know, I wonder where have all the sightings gone since phones became ubiquitous? I mean,

there's a simple, you know, I guess, excuse. The aliens, they're sentient. They know we have phones. They're like, okay, stop, you know, decloaking or whatever. But I want or I wonder if, you know, why is it there were so many UFOs and then around the time cell phone cameras come out, they're gone.

Well, I think most people are full of shit. Yeah. Yeah. I think most people like to pretend they see things that don't really see things. But I don't think that excludes the possibility. It's not like these things are mutually exclusive. Like people are full of shit, therefore aliens don't exist. I think aliens could be real and people are full of shit.

And I think that it could be, it's very rare that they visit us. But if they do, like, well, how often do scientists go to the Congo to study chimps? I mean, how many people do they send to the bottom of the ocean to look for new life forms? How rare is it? Let me trip you out on that idea. We put decoys up for animals. Animals can't tell the difference. What if you've actually met a decoy person and you couldn't tell the difference?

Maybe it's you, bro. Maybe it's me. That's right. That's why you're able to work so much. Oh, yeah. I'm a robot. You don't get tired. No.

So you're interested in news and disseminating factual evidence. Because what I'm actually doing is collecting a database for the aliens. No, but I thought about this because I saw a photo on Reddit of a puffin, I think it's called, the bird. And they put up a fake puffin. And it's because – I think they're called puffins. It's because the birds don't like nesting in places where they're alone. And so by putting the decoy there, the other birds would start coming. And like one bird showed up and was hanging out with the decoy.

And I'm like, could you imagine? Like you see – like we put duck decoys in the water. We do duck calls. And the duck's like, ooh, hey, fly honey, I'm going to come over and check this out. And it's like a wood block. Could you imagine seeing a beautiful woman or someone you're attracted to and being like, ooh, look at that. And it's really like an alien decoy just to probe you and better understand you or something?

Well, the decoy, just the term decoy is weird because decoys are used for hunting. Like, turkey. It's turkey season right now. And the way that most guys hunt for turkeys, they take a rubber turkey, you put that fucker out in the middle of the field, and then you hide behind a bush with a shotgun. And then the turkeys hear it,

and they come over, and they try to get some pussy, and then they get shot. So what if, you know, you see some dude and or it's like you see it for you, it'd probably be a beautiful woman. You want to get that pussy and, you know, and then she's going like, hey, hey, come over here. And you're like, oh, hey, me. And then I get eaten. No, no. They just, you know, take you up in the ship, probe you and learn about your butt.

This is the thing about putting things up your butt. Most doctors don't even do that. Like they have MRIs now. Don't aliens need to probe you in your ass? I think it's just what everyone's afraid of. They're afraid of things going in their ass. So that's what they think is going to happen if the aliens get them. They're going to freeze me and touch my ass.

Somebody told a dumb story back in the day, and it was the most sensational version. Everybody had to have it. So they were like, that's what they went with, you know? Maybe. Or maybe they do that to keep your mouth shut. They fuck you in the ass just so you keep your mouth shut. Or some dude actually got abducted, right? Yeah. And he comes back and he's like, they think they won against me. They think they beat me. They put stuff up my butt. They're weirdos. Do you ever hear the

story of Betty and Barney Hill? No. It's the very first UFO abduction story. It's an ancient story. It's the very first UFO abduction story. It's an ancient story. And what's crazy is Angela Hill, who's a UFC fighter, I had her on the podcast. And after the show, she told me her grandpa was Barney Hill. Whoa. And I was like, holy fuck. Like, we forgot to, we didn't talk about it during the show, but she wanted to bring it up because she knows I'm kind of obsessed with UFOs.

But the account that they have, like, they get hypnotized and he's recalling the abduction and they have like the same story. It's very terrifying. You hear him crying and screaming and, you know, that he was taken aboard this craft and examined and brought back and they have missing time. But here's the thing. If they only did that occasionally, they only came down once every few years and just scoop some person up in the middle of some rural place. Like if you're flying over, you know, I think their instance was in, I believe it was in Maine. If you're flying over somewhere like Maine, which is a very low population state, and you see a lone car, and it's just traveling along the highway. And there's places in Maine where you go from like Portland to Bangor.

places in Maine where you go from like Portland to Bangor, when you're traveling on that road, it's like 60 miles with nothing, not a gas station, nothing. If you were an alien and you saw a car by itself, like no other cars move in, we got one. Isn't it just easier to think it's the US government? No. Why not? Because we don't have the capability of doing something like that. I don't think the capability of the scientists working for the government is any different than the capability of the scientists that are working for Project X or fill in the blanks in terms of like what Raytheon, publicly traded companies.

How long? Look, quadcopters don't seem all that complicated to me. Quadcopters? Yeah. Helicopters? Like drones. We've seen the little drone toys you buy. They've got four propellers.

Take that concept. Use thinner jets and surround it in a disk so that it's universally – like it can move in any direction because it's got – What power source? Where's the gas tank? Well, lithium ion battery. Come on, man. You're talking space shit. Like, this hasn't even been invented yet. Think about how little

mileage you can get out of a Tesla. You know they had... As advanced as Tesla is, still, when it's going full out, it can only go for... I mean, you get 307 miles if you drive like a grandma, miles if you drive like a grandma, but if you drive like a maniac, you don't even get half that. You know that they, I could be wrong with this, but I'm pretty sure that they had this

flying platform in the 70s that uses gas power. And they've also had jetpacks for a long time. No, they've had, sort of. They've had jetpacks that are capable of going for like 30 seconds. They don't, I've experienced these. I'm pretty sure the jetpacks back in the day went for a long time. No. No, they definitely didn't.

We can look it up. Yeah, let's look it up because they definitely didn't. The whole thing was the fact they were burning gas. And to propel you in the air, they only had a certain amount. I thought it was like 20 minutes, 20, 30 minutes. Maybe now. My understanding of why we abandoned jetpack technology was that it was inefficient and heavy and you couldn't carry

it without it being turned on. So they opted for larger, like, you know, like what are they called? Chinooks, helicopters that can carry multiple people, multiple people at once. When you're wearing a jetpack, it has to be on idle, negating its own weight, which means it's burning as you're walking around, which means you get a good 20 minute jump and you got to abandon the tech. And then you don't want your enemies to get it. Have you ever seen a guy fly a jetpack? Yeah, there's a video on YouTube. No, I mean in real life Oh, I've seen that one guy the Ironman dude Well, I've been there and really my friend Willie B from in Denver on the radio

Yeah, he had a radio show in the morning. I used to do his radio show I think he still has a radio show shout out to Willie and he had this guy who was a I think he still has a radio show. Shout out to Willie. And he had this guy who was a jetpack pilot who came in and in the parking lot of the radio studio. And fans of the radio show came and did it too and watched it rather. And this guy flew in the air for about 15, 20 seconds and then landed.

This guy was so banged up. Both of his legs were blown apart. He had big braces on both of his knees. I'm like, what happened to your knees? He's like, just crash landing. Both of my knees are blown to shit. He had no ACLs in either one of his knees. That's what I'm saying. This is back then. It was good

for about 30 seconds. 30 seconds of flying. The point I was trying to get to is if you take something like a quadcopter, you could absolutely fuel it with gas or whatever. It would be loud as fuck. But it would, depending on how you mitigate the noise. It would be an engine. It would be loud as fuck.

And you'd hear from the quadrotors. Yeah, but what these people are describing is nothing like that. These people are describing things that are silent, that go from zero to 1,000 miles an hour in a split second. Things that defy physics as we understand them. This is not something that I think that the U.S. government has. If you look at like Elon Musk's company, Project X, or SpaceX. SpaceX is right now one of the premier civilian companies, private companies that's making rocket ships.

They fuck up all the time. Totally. They're in the middle of innovating all the time. He's one of the smartest people on Earth. He's one of the, in terms of technology, he knows as much about propulsion as anyone. And they still can't get it right. They're still trying to figure it out. They're trying to come up with something that could be viable in terms of commercial space flight.

And they're working on it daily. And these people are the brightest minds we know of right now. They're in this jet propulsion space travel business. There's, you know, Virgin's working on something. There's a couple other companies that are working on things as well. And then you have NASA, which worked. The best they could come up with was the space shuttle.

Right. Do you think that there was something way better than a space shuttle that they just never used, that they had, and they kept it on the back burner, didn't want to let anybody know, but the way they would use it is they would pick people up and erase their memory and toy with their asshole? That's crazy. Well. That's less likely than the hundreds of billions of galaxies just in our own known universe, right?

Each one with hundreds of billions of stars, each star with who knows how many fucking planets. That somewhere out there there's something more advanced than us, maybe a thousand years, maybe a million years. It's figured out how to come here. I got the same question then. why hasn't anyone discovered them? Why is SETI failed search search for extraterrestrial intelligence? Why haven't the chimps invented guns? They've started using more tools, but right why haven't they invented guns though? I don't know So why hasn't said he found UFOs the same fucking answer? They're not advanced enough yet Really? It's a it's a real answer. The industrial age is pretty fucking recent.

I mean, think about when people invented cars. You're talking about 1800. That's really recent. Plane flights, 1800s. And we've only used high power radio transmission is only in the past 100 years or so. Right. Well, you saw, have you ever seen the movie Contact? Maybe.

That's an old one, right? It's Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey. It's based on Carl Sagan's book about contact with space and with aliens and how it's going to go down. I think I did see it recently. I can't remember. Interesting take on it. But the idea is that they've received the signal that we sent

out way, way back in the day, actually when the first broadcast signal was Hitler announcing the Olympic Games, the start of the Berlin, actually, when the first broadcast signal was Hitler announcing the Olympic Games, the start of the Berlin Games. And this was the first signal they got. It was a really controversial moment in the movie, or controversy, you know, in the plot with that, once they were trying to decipher the image that was being sent, they realized

it was Hitler. Yeah. The first thing they see is a swastika. And they're like, what the fuck is this? They sent it back to us. And then they had to realize, oh, no, no, no. This is the first image that we sent out to space. They wouldn't be able to understand the political or historical context of this.

Well, so I've got a few – there's a few issues I see in terms of aliens and earth contact, right? We are substantially more connected in an evolutionary chain to ants than we are to any alien. So we can't communicate with them for the most part. We kind of can. We understand how they communicate. But when an ant sees a superhighway, this is someone else's quote, they don't think twice. So it's possible there are aliens that have superhighways right above us. We can't tell what it is.

Same as a dog doesn't understand other than stay away from it. But one of the issues I think is often neglected in the conversation about aliens is the – we assume aliens would be on a very similar planet to us. We assume that they would have some kind of gaseous atmosphere. Perhaps it's a liquid atmosphere. And one of the things that I would ask of a researcher because I'm not the expert is the fact that we have the proper balance of oxygen in the atmosphere to manipulate fire, which allows us to separate elements and then create computers and components and fuels wouldn't exist on a planet without the same atmosphere we existed in. Stop.

I can answer that really easily. There's no known propulsion system for any of these crafts. These things are not using fire. They don't have a heat signal. They don't know what they are. They don't know how they work. I don't mean propulsion. I mean the separation of elements, the manipulation of elements, right? So we melt things and separate them and break them down. They don't believe that that's how it works. No, but I mean, like, how do you even start from, I'm sure there's an answer, you know, let's say you have a species that lives on a planet with no oxygen and has no access to fire.

What dense energy source do they have that will allow them to manipulate matter? Do you know the Bob Lazar story? I do. Well, one of the things that he talked about when he first stopped working for Area S4 and the government was tapping his phones. There's a lot that can be documented about him. There's a lot that can't be. But one of the things that he talked about was a thing called Element 115. That Element 115 is this insanely dense element that they use to bend gravity.

And the way he described the way the propulsion system works, it's like putting a bowling ball in the center of a very soft mattress. And that all of the other mattress, all the rest of the mattress, bends around the intense mass of the bowling ball, and that this is how these incredibly advanced aliens from this other planet use, this is their propulsion system. That was from Star Trek, though. The concept of warp was around for a really long time. I think

the concept is based on Einstein's theory of gravity. I mean, this is the whole idea. If you could find something that could do that. But here's the thing. When Bob Lazar talked about this in the late 80s, early 90s, this element didn't exist. Right. does it wasn't it wasn't proven until they they did it in a particle collider i believe it was 2013 so he was talking about this element far before it was it was and he's apparently this is the big rumor he apparently had taken some of that from a lab yeah and through george nori and was it george? Yes. They did some experiments on television and showed that this stuff had made light and fog bend in a way that they couldn't describe. Didn't he also claim to see a small alien creature on his way out? He said he saw something that was sitting down, but he doesn't know if it was a model that they were using, like if they had created something that was supposed to be the size of a thing that could fit in these crafts.

Because these crafts, he said, were designed for things that were far smaller than human beings. I'm pretty sure in the initial interview he gave when he went public was that he saw an alien and then later on changed it saying, I don't know if it was maybe a model or a puppet. Yeah, he said he thought he saw something sitting down and two people standing over it looking at it. He said he thought he saw an alien. You know, I... But he's probably... I mean, I don't know.

I mean, look, he said it was literally for like a half a second. Like he's walking by a window and he sees something inside of it. Imagine being a guy who's in your 20s and you're a propulsions expert

and it's been proven that he worked at Los Alamos Labs and it's been proven that he did put a fucking jet engine... They erased him. Yeah, it's been proven that he worked at los alamos labs and it's been proven that he did put a fucking jet engine yeah it's been proven that he did put a jet engine on a honda i mean he's a genius he's a and then you talk to him he's an incredibly smart guy now imagine you get sent off to area s4 and they show you this thing that you know doesn't even exist and they tell you about this propulsion method that they don't understand and they say that they found this a long time ago in an archaeological dig and they want you to this propulsion method that they don't understand. And they say that they found this a long time ago in an archeological dig. And they want you to back engineer it because

you're a propulsions expert and they're running out of options. They've been studying this for decades. No one knows what the fuck it is or how you can make it work. And then they do test flights with this thing. And then he tells his friends about these test flights after he gets fired. You know how he got fired? Do you know a story about him getting fired? He leaked it or something. No, no. His wife was fucking her flight instructor.

Oh. And so when his wife was fucking her flight instructor, they told him he couldn't work anymore. And he's like, why not? Well, they were tapping his phone. Because when you have top secret clearance to work on UFOs, I guess they don't want your wife fucking her flight instructor. Because then you're going to go crazy, and you have a lot of imbalance at home, right? So he doesn't know why.

They don't tell him why. So he takes his friends, and he tells them, look, this is real. They're running these experiments. I know you're thinking I'm crazy. This is what I've been working on. So he takes them to this area where you used to be able to have access to, but once he did this, they closed off access and pushed it far back to where the public has access to.

And he showed them these things, doing these impossible maneuvers in the desert, in the night sky. Yeah, this I remember. And so then he gets arrested. And so when he gets arrested, he was in fear of his own life. He goes public and tells this whole story. And then they erase his past. They erase his social security number.

They erase his education background. Even though people that knew him and knew he worked at Los Alamos Labs, he takes George Norrie of a tour of Los Alamos Labs, knows the people that work there. They all say hi to him. He takes them on a tour around the laboratory. Yeah. Shows them around, shows them the devices they use for biometric security. around, shows them the devices they use for biometric security.

And I think the one thing you can't ignore is that there was documentation that he did work at one of these places. Yes. And they later claimed he didn't. Yes. And like, I think I was watching the thing on, maybe it was Netflix. I think like he promoted that, right? It was on Netflix. They show the paper like we found it.

Yes. Like he clearly was there. He was in the employee register. Yeah. No. But, you know,. He was in the employee register. Yeah. No. But, you know, for me, you know, man, I'd love to believe it all. He's been insanely consistent about that story. Yeah.

For 40 years. I want to believe. You know what I mean? For 30 years, whatever it's been. Yeah, I want to believe too. That's the problem. Man, Pixar didn't have it. I want to believe. But that's nonsense.

Pixar didn't happen is nonsense. Well, I'm just- How do you, you know. How do you – what about Neanderthals? What about dinosaurs? There's no pics? I'm more so joking, right? What I mean is show me the evidence, right? I get it. The challenge with any theory – I don't like saying conspiracy theory because they're not always conspiracies, is that people want something to be true.

And so they end up looking for things to justify what they think it already is. Of course. Instead of starting with what you've got and trying to figure out where it goes from there. But when you start with what you've got, you've got a guy who was living in Vegas, was taking these flights out to Area S4, knows the place, knows it inside out, can describe it very accurately, also worked at Los Alamos Labs, describes that very accurately. It proves he worked there. Yeah.

It also proves he's also a legitimate scientist. When you talk to the guy, he's a brilliant guy. He's not a nut. But what? Are you saying aliens? That doesn't mean aliens. No, I'm just asking. It doesn't mean aliens, but that's what he was told.

Right, right, right. What he was told is this is something that has come from somewhere else, and they're trying to figure out how to work it, how to use it. What if we're in a simulation, and this was something that was left over code, or it wasn't supposed to be placed in this curtain iteration? Or what if there's multiple dimensions that we don't have access to, and that these things do? You know what my favorite, I don't want to call it a conspiracy theory, but one of my favorite stories is humanity emerged on Venus and that we destroyed the planet with a greenhouse effect. So we created the Ark project and took the DNA of two of every animal and loaded up on

the last vessel, the Ark, and went to terraform Earth. That's the dumbest idea ever. It's hilarious though. The DNA of two of each animal and then how many copies of those things do you make before they eat each other? They got anti-grav tech. They just started seeding the planet. And what people do, again, I'm not saying it's, I think it's a fun story.

They argue that the Bible was like the stories being told and retranslated over hundreds of years to a lost civilization that had only one ship escape the destruction of their planet. And I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying it's a fun story. I love that story. Yeah, it's fun. It would be a fun sci-fi movie. And then you end up with lost tech being discovered thousands of years on.

There's a lot of people like Elon that say we have to get off of Earth. There's so many people that say we have to escape Earth. We have to sort of colonize the solar system or colonize the galaxy. I agree. And I think if we don't discover a better propulsion than hard chemical energy, we're not going to do it. Yeah. Well, that's why this is so compelling, this idea that they're using some element that apparently is impossible to find here. You can only create it with a particle collider.

here, you can only create it with a particle collider, but maybe in whatever solar system they are coming from, you have a very different environment. And maybe this element was the primary source for fuel. Maybe they figured that out a long time ago. I wonder if, I'd love to talk to an actual physicist about this. Is there something with negative density? What's that mean? So like, you know, things with density create an attraction through gravity because the pressure, like their influence on space-time, I'm not an astrophysicist, so I can't explain

it to you perfectly, but, you know, the larger, the more dense the object, the more pull it has. You know, so like a very dense black hole, for instance,

sucks you in. Then, you know, Mars has slightly less gravity than us because it's less dense. I wonder if there's something, again, this probably, you know, I'm sure there's some

scientists laughing right now. What a moron. But negative density, something that would actually have a push effect in terms of gravity. In which case, you could have some kind of object where you can control, expand and contract density so that you're pushing and pulling. I don't know. Bob

Lazar's perspective is, if we showed a nuclear reactor to a civilization from the 1400s, they would think we're doing witchcraft. The Ark of the Covenant. Yeah. They would think it is absolutely the craziest thing that anyone has ever seen or heard. They would try to tamper with it. They'd all get radiation poisoning and die.

They'd never be able to figure it out in a million years. If you just left it with them, if you left some sort of a nuclear reactor with them. And he said this is really how far advanced he believes these aliens, or whatever you want to call them, are, that their science, their technology is indistinguishable from magic because they're so far ahead of us. Do you think they'd want to be involved with us beyond testing us? Why wouldn't you we study butterflies? We study mice. We study we study bugs on the other side of the planet We send people on scientific journeys to go and look at frogs. Sure sure, but I'm sure are real anymore

Are we giving guns to chimps? Are we are we building forts for them and teaching them to use stone and I mean we've seen now There's more videos coming out showing, I can't remember which primate species, but using more tools. Yeah. Well, they believe that primates, chimps have entered the Stone Age. Yeah. They're using them on a regular basis.

Are we going to go and teach them agriculture? I mean, do we care? Well, dude, we teach chimps things all the time. We teach chimps- But in enclosed environments. Because that's the only way you can study them. Yeah. We teach, I mean, if they had a civilization you can go to, you knew they lived in an apartment and you could study them that way.

But you don't think that they would study if they found a planet. Like, let's imagine if we found a planet, okay? We found a planet and it's all just filled with octopus. And these octopus are changing colors and just jacking fish and eating lobsters. We would be fascinated. Totally, we would be fascinated. Totally. We would be fascinated. Absolutely.

Well, all innovation happens because people are trying to improve on initial designs. Now, why do they try to improve on initial designs? They try to make things that are better, make things that are more efficient, make things that can do tasks that they can't do without these tools. And then their curiosity and their creativity causes them to expand upon these ideas. Well, of course, if something's going to be so far advanced that they didn't accept their current place in the universe, they don't even accept the fact they want to stay on this planet.

They want to travel to other places. Do you know how fucking insanely curious you'd have to be to lock you and three of your other three-foot buddies and a giant Fucking flying saucer and propel yourself through space. Oh, yeah, you would have to be incredibly curious and incredibly Not just curious but innovative they would have to be thinking about things they would have to be They would have to be thinking about things. They would have to be exploring things. And, of course, you would want to come to a planet that is filled with people who have hundreds of different languages.

They're all full of shit. They lie to each other constantly. Send videos through the air. They have weapons that they could blow each other up with. Yeah. I mean, of course you would be fascinated by that. I think that's the least compelling argument that anybody ever says. why would they mess with us? Why would they care about us? Of course they would care about us. We are fucking interesting, man. Well, I, I'll put it this way. I think if we saw

like a group of chimps standing near like a water, water bed, and then one chimp fashioned some kind of bag and pulls it over its head, jumps in the water and tries to go as low as he can for as long as he can, but before coming back out. We would look at that like that is the stupidest attempt at scuba diving I've ever seen. But, oh, my God, a chimp just tried to scuba dive. So if there are aliens and they're in these amazing technologically advanced ships that can jump, light speed, manipulate gravity, they just watched us strap ourselves to an explosive

and fire us off of our atmosphere where we're likely to die. And they're like, this is the stupidest attempt at actually going to space. These guys are trying to go to space. I wouldn't think about it that way at all. I would think about, look, there's a fucking space station. It's up there and people live on it. They shoot themselves. They have a very crude form of propulsion.

Right. But they've figured it out because they don't have element 115 in their environment naturally. So these dummies have to light things on fire and use the push off the back of it to shove themselves through normal air. And you know why they're not going to give us that tech right now? Why would they give us tech? Why do you say give us tech? Why they wouldn't. I'm saying why would they give us tech?

Why would any? That's the weirdest argument ever that they're giving us things. I don't think they're giving us shit. No, I don't think so either. I think they're specifically not doing it. And they wouldn't do it even if we wanted them to. I think it's an inverse.

People, a lot of people talk about how they're like sharing technology with us or something, right? You see that stuff in the conspiracy theories. Yeah, I've heard those conspiracies. The reason they won't is because we're territorial. We fight each other. Oh, for sure. So, look, if they came down and went to Russia and said, here's anti-grav propulsion, what do you think Russia is going to do?

All right, our planet now. They're going to immediately expand rapidly. Their population is going to grow exponentially. And it's going to cause massive turmoil between nuclear powers, which could destroy themselves. Yeah, for sure. They're going to use it as a weapon. The smartest thing is to not share at all until we're a one-world society. Well, also, look at what they look like, what aliens look like.

If you look at the iconic shape of an alien, they have giant heads and genderless bodies. Maybe that's the key to stopping war. Well, there's the Nords. You make no incentive whatsoever for people to be sexual or attractive. Everybody looks exactly the same. We get over this idea of biological mating. They reproduce through genetic engineering. Why not just be robots?

Maybe they are like robots. Maybe that is like a robot. Artificial bodies. Have you seen Altered Carbon? I haven't, but I keep hearing good things about it. I just finished season two. Season one was awesome. But basically, they have a thing called a stack. You said you finished season two. Season one was awesome. But basically, they have a thing called a stack.

You said you finished season two. Season one is awesome. That means season two sucks? Season two is a C+. Season one is like an A+. C+. Yeah. Like, it's fun.

But they have a thing called a stack in their spinal column right below their head that stores their consciousness. And they call their bodies sleeves. And they kind of don't care when they die because they just get – you know, if you're poor, you get really crappy sleeves, right? But if you're rich, you get premium access, military upgrade, like high tech, very strong. But their bodies just become separate. And you can also transport your consciousness interstellar like to other planets. And then you wake up in a body in a different planet.

That's how you go places now. Your consciousness travels. interstellar, like to other planets. And then you wake up in a body in a different planet. That's how you go places now. Oh. Your consciousness travels. So, yeah, I mean, maybe aliens do that. Maybe there's not. You know, I find the idea of the various alien life bodies curious. One of the things I've read about is that it could be humans from the future. Yeah, I've read that, too.

That makes sense. You think about what we look like as opposed to, like, what a ch a chimp looks like. And then you keep going further with that, like, oh, the head will get bigger, the bodies will get weaker. And then look, there's a sort of a trend in this society today to be less masculine, less feminine, more gender neutral. Even these they them pronouns, maybe that's all just part of the programming. This falls into another one of these conspiracy theories that the goal of the globalists is that in order to get access to alien tech we have to be a unified planet aliens aren't going to give aliens really you've heard that one oh yeah it's all over the internet that's why they're doing this so they're

going with a one world order in order to get alien tech do you think the galactic federation is going to let a planet in which has got numerous governing bodies and nuclear weapons? I don't think there's a Galactic Federation. I'm just kidding, right? The point I'm making is there are people online who believe this. They believe that if there is some kind of Galactic Federation or at least some kind of recognizable different cultures that have some kind of set rule base, who do they negotiate

with? Us, Russia, or China? cultures that have some kind of set rule base. Who do they negotiate with? Us, Russia, or China. And so the argument, well, one of the theories is that interests on the United States who have access to the aliens know that they have to do everything in their power to unify the entire planet under one authority so that we can be entered into whatever alien access would exist.

But so long as we are nuclear-powered competing territorial factions, they can't do it. Well, that makes sense if that was the case. But you add in what you were saying about masculinity and gender. And one of the things that I find interesting is that when it comes to this argument about removing masculinity, there's kind of an overlap with this idea of domestication. You think about wolves, proto-dogs, and dogs. Dogs are effectively wolf cubs perpetually. So wolves are aggressive, territorial, independent. I mean independent in the sense that like you're not going to tame them. They're like- You don't teach wolves.

Yeah. Yeah. They're not willing to listen to you. I mean, you can, but it's like- Barely. They agree with you or they don't. You're following, you know. So an adult, masculine, tough human is going to be like, I'm independent. I'm in charge. They've got to remove that and domesticate us.

So you get a bunch of weak, effeminate, genderless humans who are going to be passive, docile, and agreeable. Yeah, like dogs. Right. Yeah. I have a whole bit about what wolves are and what dogs are and what men used to be and what men are now. I was thinking of this really cool idea for a sci-fi film where aliens come to Earth and most humanity accepts domestication. And then 300, 400 years from now, you've got regular looking 21st century kind of men and

women. But then you have these five foot tall, super armored jetpack with plasma rifles that love and serve the aliens. And we view them as freakish genetic defects. So have you seen like Oblivion with Tom Cruise? Yes. The aliens basically genetically engineered a whole bunch of Tom Cruises. I was thinking of that kind of idea, but also with domestication. That's an underrated movie, by the way. That's cool. I love it. Yeah.

Very good movie. idea but also with domestication that's an underrated movie by the way that's cool i love it yeah very good movie if if aliens came to earth and most humans agreed and then over time the humans that got access to life-saving technology uh special armor were the ones that were agreeable and less likely to be aggressive yeah they would bitch out just like the wolves bitched out and became a poodle and then you'd have wolves so i thought of a cool idea for a story you basically have humans like raiding a chicken coop, and the aliens are like, ah, and they call their attack humans, who jump out with armor and crazy future tech from the aliens, but they're like these small dog-like versions of humans, you know?

Right. Desperately in love with the aliens, you know? Right. Just like crying in love. Dogs are, yeah. Wolves aren't like that. But I wonder if the people would eat those dog-like people the way wolves eat dogs. Well, for the sake of a fiction, no, we wouldn't have them do that.

And what would coyotes be? Coyotes would be like the sneaky smaller. But coyotes aren't the product of domestication. I mean, they're just a separate canine breed, I guess, or species. Right. But I'm saying like they really never got domesticated. Yeah. That's what's interesting.

It's like they're a coyote version of humans. Yeah. The North Sentinel Island. Right. You know what North Sentinel is? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

The people have never had contact with other humans. Well, they've had several bad experiences with other people. Firing arrows at helicopters and stuff. Well, that's why they killed that guy. The missionary. They killed the missionary because they were invaded in the 1800s by a guy named Maurice Vidal Portman, who was a pervert slash explorer who would measure dicks and take detailed descriptions of people's anatomy and genitals.

Wow. I mean, was it for legitimate research purposes? No. It's a fucking wacko. Just find people and run tests on them. Yeah. But that would be what we'd worry about with aliens too, right? If aliens came here, maybe that's why people are worried about them touching their asshole.

Maybe it's only the pervert aliens. Somebody posted this tweet. They said something about like, you need to realize the aliens who would come to earth aren't the cool nerds who want to like talk science it's the rich assholes who you know rat fuck their planet or dipping out mid that's a silly way to look at it well I mean us it's one possibility I understand but that's us we always want to look at things through like a human centric filter exactly but if they're genderless things from the future, like what benefit would it be to get richer?

You know, they have their giant heads and they could travel the speed of light. This is why I really don't like, I think it's Hawking's argument, that we shouldn't be excited about aliens because whenever a more powerful civilization approaches a weaker one, they dominate it and enslave.

I don't buy that for two seconds in terms of aliens coming to Earth. That makes no sense. What? So the argument— You don't buy what? Hawking's argument. Oh, you don't? That if aliens came to Earth, they would enslave us to steal our resources.

Well, I don't necessarily think they would enslave us to steal our resources, but if we were aware of them, they would become space daddy. Well, what he's saying is like, you know, when the Europeans came to North America and spread disease and then stole land and started wiping everybody out. Like when a more advanced civilization meets a, you know, I don't think aliens would do that at all. It's like- Why not?

The way I would view the most devastating approach would be more like a gigantic vessel coming down and just slicing a skyscraper in half and stripping out all the copper and elements while ignoring the people. And when we go to a habitat for animals, we're not going to like, haha, we'll kill all the squirrels. We're like, we're taking the lumber. Squirrels be damned. So we go into habitats where other creatures live, take what we want, and we don't care about the animals. When we farm, we kill all the mice and all little critters in there. We don't care about the animals. You know, when we farm, we kill all the mice and all the little critters in there. We don't care.

So I don't think the argument makes sense that a more advanced civilization would come to Earth and be like, ha-ha, humans, now you will serve us, and it's our land now. They would completely ignore us and just start taking stuff and crushing us and ignoring us. It wouldn't be – but I don't think that's the most likely scenario either. I think any race sufficiently advanced enough to travel the massive size of the universe would have little need for the primitive elements on our planet. And it would actually be substantially easier for them to go to any other empty rock. No, it's not true. We have

no idea. No, we have no idea what they need. This might be an incredibly rare place. It's incredibly rare as far as everything we've been able to observe. They might come here because they found this Goldilocks planet that has liquid water and incredible biodiversity and more life than any other place on Earth or any other place in the solar system or in the known galaxy. You know the Eris planet theory, right? What is that? There's an elliptical orbit for a planet that every 300 years comes in close orbit to Earth because it's elliptical around our sun. Yeah, that's planet Nibiru. Nibiru, that's what it is, yeah. And that they used human slave labor for mining gold.

Yes, that's all Zechariah Sitchin. Do you know who Zechariah Sitchin is? I've heard the name. I've read the stuff online. He wrote a book called The Twelfth Planet that's a fascinating take on the ancient Sumerian texts. And he's widely been criticized by other scholars who understand ancient Sumerian. And there's actually a website called SitchinIsWrong.com. See if you can go to it, SitchinIsWrong.com.

Because all the whack jobs, like me, who love the idea of, you know, oh, that's why we're so into gold, man. It's because the aliens use these suspended gold particles in their atmosphere. For the atmosphere. To protect their atmosphere from deterioration by their, you know, industrial use of chemicals and toxins has destroyed their environment. So sitchiniswrong.com is an interesting website. And I don't know who's right or who's wrong.

And I think if you want to go over the Anunnaki and the ancient but what's really interesting and not just about Sitchin but about Sumer in general is one thing is they had these tablets these clay tablets that had a depiction of the galaxy or the depiction of the solar system. Now you're talking about 6,000 BC. They have this depiction of the solar system that shows the sun in the center and it shows all of the planets in our known galaxy or our known solar system with a proper perspective in terms of the size of the planet and the proper distance. Like they're in the right places. It's not like there's a big one really close to the sun and there's a little one three planets out. Like, see if you can find that.

It's a weird image. See, that's the image. Yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah. The take that Zacharias Hitchin had was that they were trying to tell us that they have come from this other planet, and they were trying to explain to us what our solar system is.

But just the fact that they have this sun in the center, and then they have all the planets that we know of circling this sun. And this has been criticized. I was like, oh, no, they didn't do it right. They didn't do it. First of all, they did it in clay. Okay? So relax. It's so goddamn close that you would have to say, man, that might be what that is.

And if that is what that is, what are they trying to say with this thing? Because there's also an image from a clay tablet of a very large being that has a very small human-like being with a monkey tail on its lap. And this is what Sitchin points to as some sort of a depiction of the genetic engineering that took place to turn primitive primates into human beings. This is the reason why we are so different from every other animal on this planet. And the real thing that when people talk about aliens and alien, what would aliens be doing here? Why would they they do what if human beings are the product of accelerated evolution like what if they came down here they found this incredibly rich planet that's filled with biodiversity and all these different life forms and then they found

these primates and like oh we know where these fuckers are going like this is us 10 billion years ago or whatever the fuck it is. Let's accelerate this little party. Let's inject some of our super advanced DNA into these primates and let's see, let's see where it takes itself. So what do you think? You think, yeah, that's a fun story, right? That's the story that, um, they told Bob Lazar, but Bob Lazar said, I don't know if they told me that to throw us off the trail, if it's disinformation or if it's just some wacky thing that they came up with to just have a crazy story that the scientists couldn't tell anybody. So if you do tell people, what are you working on? I'm working on reverse engineering, a propulsion system from an aircraft that came from another planet.

And by the way, we are a product of accelerated evolution. They came to us and they injected our DNA. Well, think about that story in the context of ancient religions and a lot of the commonalities, notably like Abrahamic, this idea that we were created, that we were told we should and shouldn't do certain things. So I think these are all fun stories, but you could look at the idea of someone being the son of God, you know, a hybrid, right? Yeah. You could look at the stories of regular old Genesis taking the rib of Adam to create Eve. Well, yeah, the genetic matter.

Sure. And then manipulating it. You know, I get a lot of heat from my more religious friends for pointing that out, that I believe the Bible is more likely and an odds base to be about aliens than about the actual creator of the universe. And I'm talking astronomical odds, like ridiculously astronomical. But I think we actually know some things exist, genetic manipulation, cargo cults. We know how primitive life form reacts to more advanced technology they don't understand. primitive life form reacts to more advanced technology they don't understand and that would make more sense to me than you know believing in a hard religion about

the creator and you know Carpenter's son things like that yeah well it's also we're dealing with translations right that have gone on for thousands and thousands of years that are a story that was told as an oral tradition for a thousand years before that like boy the

saying hard and fast exactly what they meant in the Bible and what this means and what must have happened for them to write that down to me is just bonkers I mean yeah who who knows but what we do know is that the older the stories get the weirder they get like that's one of the weird things about the ancient Sumerian text is that you're dealing now You're in like the six thousand years ago range. Yeah, which is really weird like that's a long fucking time Well, I saw that conversation that dude about the Sphinx. I think he's I was like 9,000 BC or something Well, this is a Graham Hancock and. Robert Schock, who is a geologist

at Boston University, has actually taken the time to examine the erosion around the outside of the Sphinx. The Sphinx itself has been worked on a lot. There's been a lot of rehabilitation of the paws. They've sort of rebuilt it, which is kind of a shame, but it's made out of a sort of a soft stone and it's eroding and falling apart. And when they found the Sphinx, like when Napoleon found the Sphinx, it was buried. It was buried under sand. So this is a thing that had been buried and re-exposed many times, they think, throughout history and what robert shock had found in discovering this the uh temple where the sphinx was carved and the the area that surrounds the sphinx was these deep fissures in the walls that were indicative of thousands of years of rainfall the problem with that is the last time there was rainfall in the nile Valley was 9,000 BC. Right, right, right.

So they're dealing with, and you have to go back thousands of, or 9,000 years ago, it might be 7,000 BC, but you have to deal with thousands of years of rainfall prior to that to create this. So that means that this was something that was clearly carved by man, has thousands of years of rainfall that eroded it, and you're dealing with a time period where the last time they had this rainfall in this area was thousands of years before they think people were even capable of building things like this. Maybe it was the lizard people.

You're going David Icke on me, bro? You know that theory about super intelligent dinosaurs that fled underground? Oh, God. No. But it's funny like there's so many wacky theories it's funny what i'll roll my eyes at isn't it even slightly even tiny tiny bit more likely that humans came from a different planet and after they destroyed it and then receded and we lost our way of life yeah it's possible look if we're gonna go to, like what is the fucking origin tale going to look like 100,000 years from now once we go to Mars?

Let's take the climate change, you know, global warming stuff to its logical conclusion of rising tides and a greenhouse runaway greenhouse effect. So we build one ship. Elon Musk builds one ship with a very small crew of, you know, how many people are going to be on that?

Do you know on his Mars expedition? Gotta have some chicks though yeah I think I read you populate the earth right so it's got to be men and women and the people are gonna have to be boy heterosexuality is gonna be favored because you really can't have gay people that aren't gonna breed you know you have two lesbians like oh we need to have it only populated by lesbians well there's no more do you guys have buckets of sperm and a turkey baster because how else you're going to make people when you're over there i was reading that they're going to go with people who are already coupled and they're going to you know with like 10 couples or whatever i don't know

about elon musk specifically but that was like wife swapping going on in space they did talk about that too i was reading like the the most optimal theory for colonizing Mars would be like- Polyamorous people? Something like 10 people already coupled. Not that they're polyamorous, but they expect there's going to be commingling eventually. Expect commingling. Oh, so it's burning man in space. But check it out. Let's say we sent a Mars expedition, 10 families. We've got two of each. They start having kids. We send cargo there. They start building. And then Earth wipes itself out. Runaway greenhouse. We can't get to control things. Nuclear war, whatever. The planet becomes a desolate wasteland. There's no more communication to those who are on Mars. So the last remaining, you know, 100 or so people

who are now on Mars, the adults who remember Earth write down a book. Here's everything that happened. Here's what you should and shouldn't book. Here's everything that happened. Here's what you should and shouldn't do. Here's how we lived. And they give it to their kids. Now, their kids never experienced Earth. They know nothing about it. In fact, those kids only have a fleeting image of the technology that they once had. Now, go two more generations down. The old tech where we used to colonize Mars is now decaying and falling apart. They have no idea how to fix it. The original colonists are dead. Go down three more generations. Now, you've got a few thousand humans start moving off looking for resources.

And no one has any idea Earth even was a real thing other than the stories they heard about the military leader in the orbital space station who long since died. So now they have this book they don't fully understand. Their language is now changing as they separate from each other and find different areas of the planet. Now English or whatever language they were speaking becomes 10 different languages. Now they're translating the book. Now it's a thousand years later. They don't even know earth existed. And they have this weird book about the way things used to be. And now of the billions of, you know, now we're 10,000, 20,000 years in the future. And they find, you know, these old ancient relics. And they're like, I wonder what if. You don't even smoke pot, do you?

No, man, I don't smoke pot. Imagine if you did. Imagine if you did. Imagine if you did. You'd have so many more of these theories. That's a good one. That's a good theory. But to me, that's the logical conclusion. That's why I like the story of humans came from Venus.

I'm not saying it's true. They're fun stories. There's a group of people from Africa that actually the Dogon people, is that what it is? Dogon people? And they talk about the very specific area of Mars where human beings came from. And they have a really weird understanding of cosmology. Like they know some things that they're like, hmm, where'd you, what? Like they know some things that they're like, hmm, where'd you, what? And their origin story is that people were living on Mars and that they destroyed Mars and had to escape Mars and come to Earth. There you go. So it's sort of a very similar version of it.

And now when you add that to what they know about Mars, that Mars used to be like a hospitable place to life. Maybe water. Yeah. Well, think about it this way too. Let's say that we had an orbital space station over the new planet we're terraforming. What kind of government would exist? Let's say Earth is wiped out. Right.

The only survivors on an orbital space station over Mars with a small colony on the base. It's going to be a military dictatorship. Not intentionally, not from this evil perspective, but from a, you're the general, you're second in command. We've always operated this way. It's a military mission. You know, the person who's in charge is in charge.

And then eventually you build up the colony to a certain point where second in command or one of the favorite lieutenants says, it's time to enact democracy. And the general says, fuck no. And then a civil war breaks out in the heavens, people on the ground watching the ships shoot at each other and blow each other up. And then all the technology gets wiped out.

You should really start smoking pot. No, no. You know what I want? But there's a lot of ways to interpret like various ancient spiritual religious texts in a science fiction-y kind of way. science fiction-y kind of way. So I actually talked to my friends about this and we like kind of, what if the Bible and the Old Testament were viewed from a science fiction perspective? Not to be disrespectful, I'm not trying to disrespect anyone's religion or anything like that, but like, what if we tried to apply a lens of, from a futuristic perspective of our understanding of technology to how they may have viewed what was going on back then? So you know

what the cargo cults are. For those that don't, it's, you know, these natives on these islands saw planes, didn't know what they were. So they built effigies of the planes, like, I guess, hoping they'd come back or whatever. Right. So when I saw that, I wondered, you know, a lot of people ask that question, what if we did the same thing with aliens? And the other question is, what would we do if we destroyed our own planet like people say we are? And how would that, you know, result in a government? How would that result in a government?

How would that result in stories? It would be so funny if we destroy this planet. We go to Mars and repopulate Mars and fix it up and then destroy that place and come back to Earth after we're done. Because look at what's going on right now during this pandemic. The skies are clearer than ever before. The Venice canals in Italy have dolphins in them now. You can see the ground. Jellyfish.

You realize how disgusting we are and how we're gross. Like what we've done to Los Angeles is amazing. And in just a month and a half, the air is pristine, crystal clear. You could see forever. It's a different world. Now imagine if that's what happens. If we go to Mars, we fuck that place up, come back to Earth. Look, it's fixed.

We're back. You know, I guess if we can sustain our technology. Did you find that Dogon tribe? It actually said it's talking about Sirius, not Mars. But didn't they have something about Mars as well? I typed literally that and Mars and it just

took me to Sirius stuff instead of Mars. Sirius? Yeah, the star. Sirius. But they understand, they have a pull up, Sirius. But they understand. Pull up a story on it if you can. It's a weird thing in terms of the cosmology, like what they understand. And this is a relatively primitive tribe that has this origin story.

Well, it's like the end of Battlestar. The start of my life isn't very good at all. The end of Battlestar Galactica. They find Earth. The fucking new Battlestar Galactica is so good Isn't it? It's one of the most underrated Science fiction series ever

It was so good Well not to act like my ideas are original The series ends with them discovering a habitable planet With Spoiler alert Spoiler alert With a species that's compatible with them. Yes.

They find primitive humans. Yes. And so if that story, you know, it's an interesting story. Yes. We would lose all knowledge of the previous planets and technology. Well, imagine if we flew to another planet for the first time. We landed there and it's like 1940s America. You're like, whoa.

What would we do? If we could fuck them? They'd be so impressed with you. Well, what if we find a spaceship underground with ancient tech and we don't know what it is and it turns out it's ours? The Dogon tribe, the Nomo, and their fascinating cosmic knowledge. Deep in northwest Africa, more precisely in Mali, we find one of the oldest, most fascinating ancient cultures to develop on Earth. So the ancient Dogon tribe is known for their religious traditions, ritual dances, their massive ritual masks, their wooden sculptures, and their architecture. However, they're also known for their incredible astronomical knowledge and their fascinating mythological accounts.

The Dogon have a compelling ancient tradition. They mention myths and legends that go thousands of years into the past, predating possibly even their own history. Some authors like Robert Schock, who's also the guy from Boston University, he's the geologist that talked about the Spanx, argue that the Dogon were a people who originated in Africa, but who had been forced to leave ancient Egypt due to their religious persecutions. ancient Egypt due to their religious persecutions. It is in his opinion that the Dogon may preserve ancient Egyptian traditions and myths that may even have been carried into the present age, claiming that the Dogon have a powerful cosmic connection. I can go on for, this will take too long to read. Yeah. Because I'm just going to just blah, blah, blah.

So what is that? Coincidence? Ancient knowledge? read yeah because i'm just gonna just blah so what is that coincidence ancient knowledge well it's just they understand the the cosmos and you could you'd have to go into the story but it's a it's a weird story it's a weird like oh how do they know this like what what a weird origin story but you've seen zeitgeist the original yes where you know in the first segment he talks about the three kings of orion's belt pointing to the star in the east where the sun rises on the third day. Yeah, maybe their stories are just that.

You know, what could we do but stare at the sky? That's a good point. Yeah, when you stop and look, if you were traveling across the country as you were, did you get a chance to stop and look in the middle of nowhere at the sky? Of course. Fucking amazing. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Isn't it gross that we're robbed of that? Yeah. There was a story that I think gross that we're robbed of that? Yeah.

And wasn't it? There was a story that I think in Los Angeles, the power went out. There's blackout in the 90s. And the police got tons of calls from people who didn't know what they were seeing in the sky. It was the Milky Way galaxy. Those are the same people that are injecting Lysol right now. They aren't, though. I know.

You know. Oh, somebody might. There's probably a few. Yeah. Well, you know, if you're going to. What about that chloroquine thing? You know, the one form of chloroquine that was. Hydroxychloroquine.

But the form that was a pond cleaner. Oh, yeah. The lady and her husband. But here's the thing. The lady, wasn't she like a Democratic contributor? Big donor. She had tweeted that Donald Trump was a psycho, something like that. And her husband took the stuff.

Well, there's new reporting that says the husband was an engineer. His friends are shocked that he would do something so stupid. So the wife poisoned him. That's the theory that's going around. Now, the fair point brought up, I think this was Free Beacon, is that he trusted his wife and he loved her. Wow. And she gave him – Or she's really dumb.

Or she pushed the fuck out of him. Apparently a couple decades ago she had struck him. There's a report about it. Decades ago? Yeah, like 20 years, I think. But there's also reports – and you guys have to fact check this stuff for sure because it's not like something I've been diving too deep into. But she was trying to divorce the guy. So the story popping up is that Democratic donor.

So she's the Carol Baskin of chloroquine. That's what people have been saying. Yeah. Like the rumors going around. But whether or not any of that's true, it's like, you know, I always say, give me the proof. But I can't tell you this. The media loves to run everything the president says through a filter of like it must be taken literally or to its worst, most – the opposite of the benefit of the doubt, the most negative conclusion possible.

If he says it, we're going to run the most negative interpretation. It's bad. It's awful. Yeah. So when he says something like that Peter Navarro instance where he said – you're a nasty reporter. He said about hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, it might work, it might not, but I'm optimistic. What did the press run with? Trump recommends untested, dangerous drug. Meanwhile, you get- Unscrupulous press. Not all press ran with that.

Right, right. Of course. But look, when Andrew Cuomo came out and said, we're going to start trialing, you know, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, where was the negative press? Didn't they say that that has actually been proven to kill more people than not using it, though, the statistics? Yeah, one of the initial stories that come out said that it was actually more likely to kill. So the CDC had listed that this was actual treatment used by many countries. And we have, there's a lawmaker in Michigan. She's a Democrat. She was given the treatment.

She said it saved her life. And she personally praised the president for it. For that, she's being censured and being stripped of any endorsements. I've heard of that, which is crazy. It is, it is. Because there's a reason why they were using it. It showed some promise with some people. I guess the idea was that

the extreme immune system reaction in your lungs was killing people, the swelling and the fluid buildup. So by suppressing the immune system, you would stop that from happening. The symptoms would abide and then you'd eventually recover. You know what, man? If the media, there's a graph showing the amount of press Obama got versus what Trump got.

And I think to a certain degree, Trump brought this on himself because he chased after this press and he baits them and he goes after them. But it's like three or four times as much news on everything he does. But it's also a different world now. If you go back to 2008, 2008 rather, when Obama was elected, the influence of online media and the ability to pull eyes away from traditional media sources was nothing. Was nothing. Right.

Newspapers were still real. People were buying newspapers. I mean, mainstream media was the only way you got your news. Now there's people like you. There's people like Kalinsky or Jimmy Dore. There's people like The Hill. They have these online platforms where this is, not only are they more viable than the traditional media outlets, they're more accurate, they're less biased, they're more viable than the traditional media outlets. They're more accurate. They're less

biased. They're younger. They're more intelligent. And they're not connected to some gigantic media machine that has a very consistent bias. I think we're seeing substantially more bias than ever before. And CNN... But from online things or from everything? From everything, but it starts with people like me. So look, I'm an individual. I have an opinion. There are things that I think are more important than other things.

I look at this establishment press, this behemoth constantly lying to people. Not every single journalist. I know many journalists, they're fantastic at their jobs. They risk their lives. They do good stories, even political reporters. You know, my respect to Ben Smith, formerly of Bloodsfeed News, now New York Times, calling out the New York Times.

Well, sort of for their defense of Joe Biden, calling out CNN. There's great reporters. But you have a lot of people in media whose their goal is just survive, make money. And so what happens with YouTube? One of the reasons I think they started censoring a lot of channels is what works? Shock content, sensational rage bait. So YouTube hard suppresses that. It's not entirely fair, but there's no real good answer to how you deal with this. And it's unfair to a lot

of independent creators because like you mentioned, YouTube doesn't know better. They're like, who's credible? But CNN starts adopting the same tactic. So now, you know, CNN realizing they can't win no matter what they do. They're competing with free videos on Facebook. Mom and pop who post that video from the rally on Facebook cost them nothing. They don't care. And CNN's got to pay someone $30,000 to $50,000 a year at a low level to make this kind of content. They're losing. So they switch it up. Now we're being told that our credible news outlets, authoritative sources, they're the same thing as what the YouTubers were. Look, I mean, when you get Don Lemon going on the show asking if a black hole swallowed an airplane, how is that any different from the crackpots?

What? He did. What? Don Lemon asked a guest if a black hole swallowed the missing Malaysian airplane. Wait a minute. He was serious? He said, I know it's preposterous, but is it preposterous? And the woman responded.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I have to see this. Totally. Yeah. Don Lemon. Don Lemon. Don Lemon. Asked about a black hole sw Wait a minute. I have to see this. Totally, yeah. Don Lemon. Don Lemon. Asked about a black hole swung in an airplane. I get a kick out of him.

I like when he gets mad. But it's performative. It's not real news. So, you know, I think we're seeing a certain kind of creator emerge that are good. I think Jimmy and Kyle are awesome. I think I do a good job. I don't think I'm perfect. But I think we're all biased.

And so that's why I always tell people, you can't just watch me. Like you definitely got to watch Kyle Pacman or Jimmy Dore. And I get a lot of heat because people are like, you always recommend these left-wing channels. I'm like, all right, Steven Crowder, you know, for instance, Sticks, Hex and Hammer. These are good YouTube channels, but we're biased. I think we all try to be as honest as we can. These big corporate channels are trying to survive. They don't care about honesty. So Brian Stelter on CNN actually said, he shows a bunch of videos from Fox News and says, don't watch the spin, watch us. We're going to give you the facts. Look, man, if someone tells you not to seek information outside, I wouldn't trust that. I don't want to tell you what to listen to, but I will tell you, if you only watch my stuff,

you're missing out. You've got to watch other perspectives. I want to see Don Lemon and Brian Stelter on Naked and Afraid out in the woods trying to get by. Saying the black hole thing? He did it.

This is from 2014. Oh, yeah. Is that when it was from? I think so, yeah. It was a while ago. Let me hear him say that. Oh, damn. What if it was something fully that we don't really understand?

A lot of people have been asking about that, about black holes and on and on and on and all of these conspiracy theories. Let's look at this. Noah says, what else can you think about? Black hole, Bermuda Triangle. And then Deji says, huh, just like the movie Lost. And, of course, it's also referencing the Twilight Zone,

which is a very similar plot. That's what people are saying. I know it's preposterous, but is it preposterous, you think, Mary? Well, it is. A black hole is about, you know, a small black hole would suck in our entire universe. So we know it's not that. Bermuda Triangle is often weather. And Lost is a TV show.

So I think I always like things for which there's... He's just being provocative to get someone to answer a silly question that's being bandied about on the internet. He's not saying it like he believes it. No, no, no. What I mean is that he's presenting the conversation. That's what

it's become. It's become entertainment. Well, I think he's doing that because, first of all, back then, I mean, this was 2014? I think it was September 2014. i think people were just starting to understand like the impact of comments and and they were addressing them and they were probably trying to silence a lot of the nonsense but then you get a woman saying stupid shit like a small black hole would swallow the whole universe yeah well i don't think she's a real expert if she said that right so why why is don lemon asking nonsensical questions to guests who can't answer them properly at all?

Well, he's just trying to be provocative. I get it. I get it. And so what I mean to say is that you're watching this. Look at where they were in 2014. Look where they are now with faking the Chris Cuomo thing. They've, it's the natural progression. Well, do you think that's his idea?

The Chris Cuomo thing is pretty gross. Did you hear what he said on his radio show? No, what what he said? He said, I don't find value in what I do. I think it's ridiculous. He said, I don't like what I do for a living. I don't like my occupation. I think, you know, and then he said something to the effect of I'll never beat them in reference to like Hannity and Maddow or something like that.

I think. Beat them. In ratings. Yeah, in ratings. He's their biggest show. He is? I'm pretty sure Cuomo's their biggest show. Yeah.

He's the only one that seems to be a man. And he doesn't crack a million in the ratings. Really? Yeah. It's like eight. And I think it's like 800 to 900. I think he periodically might. The ratings might be going up.

I could be wrong. So check the latest stats. But here's what I think happened. I think the CEO producers went to him and said, look, man, you got this thing. We should run with it. Let's, like, go to your house. We'll film it. We'll make it this big deal.

You think so? And I think it wasn't that bad. I think he had mild symptoms. Look, the dude went out. The guy left his home. He was not quarantined. Well, even when he was talking about the issues he was having, he seemed normal. Right.

Like, here's what I would expect from someone who is as sick as he seemed to be. I don't feel that good, but hey, I'm one of the lucky ones. No, he seemed totally normal. Yeah, that's what I would expect. He's saying he's shivering so hard he's chipping his teeth. Seems ridiculous. Yeah, it doesn't seem... I'm not going to...

I don't know. I mean, maybe when it's nighttime and you're tired. Because one of the things I remember last time I was sick, which was quite a while ago, at the end of the night, I'd be like really achy because I was tired. And as I was tired, my immune system would be depleted and then I would feel the effects of the cold more. And then you wake up in the morning, you feel a lot better. Maybe pop some ibuprofen. I know he was taking Tylenol.

You're not supposed to take ibuprofen for this for some reason. I think he was taking Tylenol. My friend Michael Yeo said that he was told to take ibuprofen for this for some reason. Well, I think he was taking Tylenol. My friend Michael Yeo said that he was told to take ibuprofen, and when he did, it made it way worse. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, so here's what can I say. I'm not going to accuse the guy. A lot of people are pretending he never even got sick. I don't think that's the case. He probably got sick. He tested positive. But I mean, it seemed fairly mild in comparison to other people. Like Michael Yeo, when I talked to him, well,

first of all, when he was doing a video talking about recovering from it was coughing. Even in the video, he was coughing when he was talking about on Instagram, thanking everybody. But he had a bad case of it where he got pneumonia and it was rough. And, you know, Michael's a healthy guy. So that was disturbing to me. But the Chris Cuomo version of coronavirus didn't seem that scary. The dude wasn't quarantined. Okay. He went out to some property 30 minutes from his home, presumably with his family. He was witnessed by somebody else. You're not supposed to do that, right? No, you're not. I mean, it's not just that, but on CNN, they said he was locked down. They did this whole reveal where he comes out of the basement and said, I've been waiting

for this. Didn't he also do a TikTok dance with his daughter or something? I don't know. I think he did. But I think the reason he went on his show complaining was because the producers told him to do this fake thing. And he didn't want to do it. I bet you're right. Look, man, I worked. That makes sense.

He can't call them out because he wants to keep the job. When I worked for one of these companies, they told me to side with the audience. We talked about it last time I was here. They wanted me to create a narrative that the audience agreed with because we were there to serve them. What was the narrative? Young progressives, whatever they say. So social justice. So whatever young progressives say, you want to side with that. And I told him, I asked, are you saying that if there is a factual news story that would be upsetting to our audience, we won't cover it? He said, I think that's fair. Yeah. What was it that AOC said recently that people shouldn't go back to work, that they should revolt? Yeah, they should protest, not go back to work.

That to me was one of the craziest things I've ever heard a politician say. If anything, we need to get the goddamn economy back on track. I wonder if she's going to lose in her primary. She's going up against a woman named Michelle Caruso Cabrera, who is a moderate, who actually sounds very reasonable. And it kind of breaks my heart a bit because I remember how Democrats used to be. Like, you can look at the thing she talks about, and she's a very reasonable, like, she's got like a book. She was an anchor for some – I think for like CNBC or something. And she comes off like – I don't know, kind of like maybe you or me, just how what used to be left before they went became radical activists for social justice. Why do you think they went that way?

Why do you think everything went so – Social media, man. You think so? Yeah. So there's a couple different theories I have on it. Conservatives are less likely to be online in a lot of areas of the country. They have weaker internet. But they're so active online.

They dominate for sure. And that's one of the reasons they're like, you know, they get wiped out a lot. But you look at rural. What do you mean? Are you talking about conservatives? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Conservatives getting banned a whole lot because they're very active. They do a lot of memes.

But I think. So how are you saying that they're less likely to have good internet? Rural towns. Rural. Have really bad internet. But it's good enough to be able to post on Twitter. Like, what do you mean? Yes.

They have phones. But if you've got dial-up in the middle of the country, you're not posting a video or a photo. You are watching. Yeah, but you're doing it on your phone. You are watching. Dial-up. Yeah, that's true. Everyone's doing it through their phones. That's a good point.

What I think is that you've got a lot of older people that are conservative, a lot of younger people that are liberal. And there's issues there with how people interact online. So my assumptions, my opinions, things I've read, older people more likely to just follow and read, younger people more likely to engage, most people not likely to engage at all. It's something I think like 2% of the country is actually active on Twitter. But you end up with internal biases at the social media companies. Who is authoritative and who isn't? Echo chambers. So a really good example is like BuzzFeed News wrote a story that the Wuhan Biolab leak theory

is a right wing, you know, popular right wing theory. Trump supporters are pushing it. And here's why it's wrong. But CNN ran multiple segments about this. And so when you have digital media framing things as always, like you ever wonder why they never say left wing? You know, like in the media, they'll say conservatives did X. They never say liberals did X because they view themselves as those people. Right. So you end up with social media companies that view that kind of content as authoritative,

left leaning. You end up with left wing activists and acceptable marketability. There was a study done where they tracked essentially like a visualization of location for various aspects of the internet. Conservatives are in this bubble, liberals in this bubble. Marketing, digital marketing companies overlapped with resistance Twitter, anti-Trump. So what ends up happening is big marketing firms based in New York City, based in Los Angeles, very urban areas, much more likely to be blue, have a blue perspective. They run commercials based on a left-wing perspective. Politicians see what the television is saying. They see what the websites are saying. And they

say, this is what America wants. It's not. It's what the hyperactive 2% of Twitter wants. So they fall into that trap where they believe all this stuff. The reason Ocasio-Cortez got elected, she won, I think she got 17,000 votes in a district of 750,000. Like that's not winning a real election, but it was exploiting the system. So you end up with someone who has views

that don't represent the overwhelming majority of this country in a very high profile position influencing Nancy Pelosi. And what, you know, one of the reasons they think they even went forward with impeachment was because Ocasio-Cortez gave a statement where she said it was a bigger scandal that the Democrats would not impeach Trump. Next thing we know, Nancy Pelosi hops on board with the idea and that blew up in their face. Trump ends up seeing his approval rating go up. He raises a ton of money. It would be really interesting if what did him in was the Lysol shit. Oh, that was bad for him though. Yeah. But I don't think so.

Imagine. Yeah. I don't think it'll be it. What do you think is going to happen? In November, as of right now, there's the panic factor could be good for Trump. The fact that we're in a crisis may mean people are desperate for security. And they don't want to take a chance. They don't want to take any chances. And Trump is a bully. Like, I don't mean that necessarily as like, you know, to the Trump supporters get mad. What I mean is like, he pushes people around. And a lot of people like that about him,

that he yells at the press. What a lot of people on the left don't get is when he yelled at that CNN guy, you're a nasty reporter. His base was clapping, standing up saying, thank you for finally calling these people out. It was a good thing. You take that attitude next to Biden.

Do you think Biden's gonna make anybody feel safe? Nah, man, I don't think so. So the argument I've put forward is, look, man, I'm a moderate person. My politics have always been left-leaning, pro-choice, progressive tax, government programs, all this good stuff. Grew up in a city, but I'm not super far left.

I need an argument from you. Donald Trump has come forward with, the economy was booming, government programs, all this good stuff. Grew up in a city, but I'm not super far left. I need an argument from you. Donald Trump has come forward with the economy was booming, lowest unemployment in 50 years, best numbers of our lives up until the pandemic. He instituted a travel ban that the Democrats are even agreeing with now at this point. If you want to convince me to vote for you, and many people like me, I think you've got to give me an argument as to why Biden is better, but they're not. They're saying, stay alive, Joe Biden. We just don't like Trump. But they're really doing that. It's a good point.

And I think if the economy does manage to show some signs of resurgence around November, towards October and September, if he has some sort of a real rock solid plan and he can show you where it's going, this is what we're planning on doing. We're going to have this by that and that by this. And by the way, Joe Biden is not going to get better. His cognitive decline is going to increase. And it could drop right off of a fucking cliff. It might come around to where November is, where the gaffes are constant

and they pull him off of the public eye and they never show him. If the Democrats want to win, they'll run Michelle Obama. We might have a fucking CGI Joe Biden with some, I'm not kidding, where he does it from some sort of a remote location and they CGI the shit out of his face. Well, I'll tell you one thing that there's some net positives Trump could look at in terms of the pandemic. Worry, you know, people trust him. His approval rating was going up when they were televising his press briefings. As soon as they stopped doing that, his approval rating started going back down. So when people hear what he was saying, they liked it.

But the other big factor is if this persists beyond the election, Joe Biden will never debate him. And we see this in the press right now. Everyone keeps saying it. The longer Joe Biden is hidden, the better his campaign is doing because people can't see him struggling to speak. They're just going against Trump. Mail-in voting. I agree with you about Michelle Obama, but I don't think she really wants to run. Well, I'm not sure she would either, but I'm saying I think they would win if they ran her. They probably would. Mail-in voting, I think, will be the downfall of Republicans. If mail-in voting does get pushed through, Nancy Pelosi, I believe she said she wants to have mail-in voting confirmed the next stimulus package. If the lockdown persists beyond November and mail-in voting is the go-to way, the challenge – you see a bunch of Republicans saying that mail-in voting could lead to fraud.

And it can, right? If somebody's mom is like old and just like not paying attention and you fill it out for her. But the bigger issue I see for Republicans is that uninitiated and uninterested people will be voted for. And that means in big urban areas, you'll have a mom and a dad telling their kids who normally don't care to vote, just fill it out, just fill it out, just vote for the guy. And that could potentially hurt. I think the real concern is in the counting. That's the concern in terms of fraud.

Right. Fraud is – so the Republicans' main concern is fraud, that someone is going to take their kid's packet and just fill it out for them. Right. But I don't think – Well, not just that. Also in how it's counted. Right. Tracking them.

They all go to the mailbox and the post office is all a mess. I agree with all that. Yeah. I think you don't need to go so far as to assume someone is going to snatch up all the ballots. It's possible. Replace them. I think that's a bit too much for me. I just think right now we know the youth vote swings left and they don't care about voting.

You put the ballot in their house. They care about voting. They don't. They didn't turn out for Bernie. They did not turn out. They turned out in some areas, but they didn't turn out. So you get this very active base online ranting about what they want. They don't actually go out for it. Put the ballot in their pocket, send it to their mailbox. And their mom says, there it is, fill it out. They're going to do it. And so that's going to make sure the people who normally aren't bothered to go vote will go vote. Tim Pool, we just did three hours. That was fun. It's always fun. Thanks for taking the trip. Thanks for driving over here in your bug out van. It was good fun. How long are you going to stay in this part of the country?

Probably going to leave right away. Okay. Good luck coming back. And maybe people wave to you along the way. Do you have photos of the van on the outside where people can see it? On Instagram, I have one. You should probably hide that one. Delete that one. Whatever, man. Someone's going to come to my van and kick it in. I don't know. That's not what I'm saying. They're just going to tattoo your face on their ass or something. Something weird?

People are weird, man. Oh, I had a weird story. It's a bummer we didn't get to it. Go ahead. Do it now. I had a crazy guy show up at my house. Ooh. Pedophile. Four in the morning. Wanted me to tell a story. I had to call the cops.

Wanted you to tell him a story? Wanted me to tell the world his story. About being a pedophile? Something like that. About how he was innocent. It wasn't true. So he shows up at my house at 4 a.m., tried breaking in. So I wake up at 4 a.m. to someone.

You don't have a gun either. I don't have a gun. And so I call the police. This is crazy. Police showed up. 4 a.m. You don't have a gun either. I don't have a gun, and so I call the police. This is crazy. Police showed up. They catch the guy. They frisk him. They tell him to go home.

Cops come back, tell me to buy a gun, basically. Oh, Jesus. It's not an easy thing to do, but get this. That morning, I wake up. It's like 9 a.m., and I got woken up at like 4 a.m. by this.

I think it was like 3 something, and so normally, I do a segment first thing in the morning. It airs at 10 a.m., and so after dealing with all that, I was like, I am not prepared. I'm just going to tell people what happened and say, don't come to my house. In the middle of recording my segment, a guy comes back. So I check my security camera and I see him there and I'm filming while it's happening. So I call the police and I'm like, he's back. And I recorded all of it. And then the cops came and he took off, I guess.

Yeah, I was going to bring it up because we were talking about the end of the world, the apocalypse, guns. So it's not easy to get a gun in New Jersey. The cops were like, if it were me, I'd open the door with a shotgun. And I was like, yeah, if I could get one in Jersey. But you can, you just have to wait 10 days, right? No, you got to write an essay. I got to write an essay on why I need it. Yeah. And then you have to be accepted? And then they have to approve the essay.

Oh, my God. And they said, typically takes 30 days, but sometimes it can take up to a year. It's not supposed to take up to a year. That's kind of illegal. That's what I was told at the department. But they're like- Time to move to Arizona where you can just buy a gun at a grocery store. West Virginia. Is that where you're going to go?

Oh, I don't know, man. Are you going to leave? I'm going to move out of Jersey. Definitely? Yeah, for sure. So I'm in the Philly area. Because of this? Partly. Yeah. But also because I want to expand my business. You know, look, I do opinion commentary on news stories. And now it's time to start hiring more people for straight news and fact checking. So I have a fact checking build out that I've been working on. How we're going to rate other agencies. We're going to do 100 randomly sampled articles, and we're going

to run them through the SPJ and Reuters ethics codes. We're going to look for violations of the ethics codes. We're going to apply them. So if BuzzFeed News runs 100 stories, and we find that 63 have some kind of violation of the code of ethics, we give them the score of 37 out of 100. And then people can see how we rate these agencies. And you can look at all the stories. You can look at exactly why we disagreed, and we'll highlight where the violation occurred. That's a great idea. So I need a building so I can hire people to do it. Beautiful. Well, let me know when that gets up and running. We'll let everybody know.

And I appreciate you, man. I really appreciate your perspective. I appreciate the way you look at things. And it was great to talk to you, as always. Appreciate it, man. For sure. Thank you. Bye.