The Joe Rogan Experience - #1484 - Reggie Watts

Episode Date: June 2, 2020

Reggie Watts is a musician, singer, beatboxer, actor, and comedian. His improvised musical sets are created using only his voice, a keyboard, and a looping machine. He is also currently the announcer and band leader on The Late Late Show with James Corden.

no better person to be here at the end of the world than you reggie wads no no finer human being to share this spectacular chaotic time thanks for being here brother thank you man my pleasure for having me i'm glad i made it you were saying let's do all the things let's do the pandemic let's do the riots everything's happening at the same time yeah we're going to space we just yeah we're in space we We made it to space. We just need like some kind of a, like a meteor, like a, like a, like a meteor that's going to be here in like a month that we have to decide what to do. Well, it would be, rioting would be out of control.

Yes. Apparently, according to Nick Swartzen, there's some crazy UFO sightings over Idaho. What? I haven't heard anything about this. Oh. But he said there's some nutty UFO sightings over Idaho. They might I haven't heard anything about this. Oh. But he said there's some nutty UFO sightings over Idaho. They might be coming in to end this experiment. They might be like, you fucking crazy chimp.

We tried. We tried to let you guys sort it out, but you're not sorting out shit. You guys are getting worse. I know. I remember I was asked a question like like what do you think? Humanity will have like on if there was like on a gravestone What would humanities like could say on what would you say on humanities gravestone? And I said, well we tried Gave it a shot we tried we really tried it's such a strange time man, and it keeps getting stranger It's like did you see that man. And it keeps getting stranger.

It's like, did you see that in India, the monkeys stole the coronavirus samples from the lab? Yes. Totally a gang of monkeys that were like, give me that. And they gave it to them. But the funny thing is they didn't get into it. So they actually were able to keep the specimens intact. Oh, really? That was kind of crazy. Oh, I wonder what the monkeys thought it was.

I don't know. They were probably just like, well, the way they're holding it looks important. I better take it. Yeah, well, they do that, apparently, and then you can give them food, and they'll give it back to you. They'll make deals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, a barter?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They make deals, depending on the monkeys, depending on the territory. But if you're used to deals with people. That's so amazing. Yeah. Oh, they're so smart, man. Yeah, I know. They're like really dumb people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is saying a lot. That's so amazing. Yeah. Oh, they're so smart, man. Yeah, I know. They're like really dumb people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah, which is saying a lot. It's crazy. Like dumb people. Because they'll fucking, did you see the one where the monkey ran, used the motorcycle and rode up to the baby and stole the baby? What?

Oh my goodness. Are you serious? Must pull this one up. Bro, it is the crazy, I don't. I think it was in. I don't want to say Indonesia. It was also on a leash. I don't know if you noticed that. The monkey was on a leash?

Yeah. Somebody had him like by. That's how. That's why it came back so fast. Oh. But it was. I don't really know. It was throttling though. It was like.

I'll pull it up. It's crazy. Yeah. The monkey rode a motorcycle down this alley to these people that were sitting there. Grabs a baby, and starts dragging the baby away. Watch this. Here it goes. See, here's the monkey on the motorcycle. Hold on. Do it from the beginning.

I did, I did. He rode up on a motorcycle? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But do it from the beginning so he can see it. Watch this. See? On the motorcycle. Pulls up. Jumps off. Grabs that baby. Just grabs him and is pulling the baby away. I mean, first of all, how fucking strong are monkeys?

Yeah, they're really strong. I like how casual the dude is, though. The guy is like, hey, try not to have your monkey take my baby away. Jamie, where do you see this leash? I don't see a leash. It's getting dragged away? No. The monkey's getting dragged away.

It's not walking away. Oh. What? Oh. Watch the monkey. It's getting dragged, too. Oh, it's just holding. He's holding on to the baby, and he's getting dragged away. It's not walking away. Oh. What? Oh. Watch the monkey. It's getting dragged too. Oh, it's just holding. He's holding on to the baby and he's being dragged.

Is that 100% sure? That's crazy. It's not walking away with the baby. Yeah, because he's being yanked and he's trying to go for the kid. So the guy's trying to probably get him away from the kid. That's insane. And that's probably why the guy's so casual too. I mean, I still don't know why he's being casual about that, but wow.

What the fuck, man? That's so terrifying. And you know that kid's going to grow up and go like, yeah, that happened. A lot of stuff happened. That makes sense, because otherwise, how the fuck would a monkey know how to ride a motorcycle? Somebody had to teach that monkey. Definitely. It's not like monkeys going like, gosh, someday I can't wait to ride a motorcycle.

But maybe if monkeys saw, like, it's a small motorcycle too, right? It's like a little kid's motorcycle. Yeah. Like, probably electric. If someone saw, like, a monkey saw a person do something, a monkey could probably copy it. Sure, sure. There's a photo. I don't know if you've ever seen it.

Monkey see, monkey do. That stuff's good, right? Yeah, this stuff is really good. Kill Cliffs, the shit. Yeah. 25 milligrams of CBD, and it's delicious. There's a photograph, a famous photograph of a orangutan that is spearfishing, and it learned how to do it by watching people.

Look at this monkey. He's getting after it. Oh, my gosh. That's so cool. Wow. That's so rad. It's in Asia? Indonesia.

So it is Indonesia. I think that's what they were saying the other one was. See if you can find the photo of the orangutan that's spearfishing. So it's hanging from a branch with a spear and sticking it into the water to stab a fish. Just like it's seen humans do. Because that's how the people fished there. Right. So the orangutan's like, huh, humans do, because that's how the people fish there. So the orangutan's like, huh, I think I got that.

I think I got it. They're wild orangutan, spearfishing. That's so crazy to me. Well, they've said that they believe that primates, particularly some monkeys and some chimps, are in the Stone Age now. I see. I see. I see. They're starting to use tools.

They're entering into the Stone Age. See, look at that photo. Wow. How dope is that use tools. They're entering into the Stone Age. See, look at that photo. Wow. How dope is that? Wow. That's crazy. Oh, that's amazing. Look how he's hanging with his feet in his hands.

Yeah, man. And just stabbing into the water at fish. Planet of the Apes, man. Fuck. It's happening. Well, look, we gotta think. I mean, if you believe in evolution, and I do. I do, too.

We were that. Yeah. Yeah too we were that yeah yeah we were some we were some form of that some form of that something happened something happened that caused us to happen if they start talking to us i don't know but you know something we're going to figure out some kind of a computer that's able to like read every tiny micro movement and interpret it right into words right Right. You know, and there'll be like mood and then like words and like, Oh, I think it's saying this and it's just going to get better and better and

better. But what was that gorilla that they taught sign language? Was it her name? Was that Jane, Jane Goodall? But does she, she was the one that she used sign language with, uh,

primates. Yeah, there was, but there was one that was really good at it. Oh, in the zoo? This gorilla. I don't know if it was in the zoo or if it was in some sort of a research center. I see.

But there was one gorilla that could really talk up a storm. Like, had, like, pretty... Coco? Coco, that's right. Oh, yeah, Coco, that's right. Yeah, had conversations with sign language. That's so heavy. I know. Yeah, look at this. Oh, Robin conversations with sign language. That's so heavy. I know.

Yeah, look at this. Oh, Robin Williams hung out with her? Whoa. And Mr. Rogers. Oh, Mr. Rogers. Imagine... Whoa, look at her. Look at her head.

I mean, imagine if... Yeah, that's so crazy. Have you ever seen the Humansy? No. Oh, I'm going to blow you away. There was this one weird chimp that they were really confused about it They actually thought it might be a hybrid between a human and a chimp because I want to say this was like the 50s or the 60s it was really freaky and this lady kept it and I think they eventually had to

Bring it to some sort of a rescue center because it developed like a very unhealthy sexual relationship with this lady. Oh, wow. Like it wanted to fuck her and was like real jealous of other people coming by. What? Yeah, that's what happens with male chimps. That's crazy. Of course.

Of course. Yeah. Territorial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They say that's what happened to that lady that had that big chimp in Connecticut. Remember that? Yes. When it bit her friend's face off?

Yes. Her friend was cock blocking. Whoa. Heavy. Remember that kid When it bit her friend's face off Her friend was cock blocking And she might have actually fucked that chimp Because she used to sleep in the bed with it And she gave that chimp Xanax and red wine Which Probably not This Humansy thing I

Can't find accuracy of it It says there was an unsuccessful Attempt to create such a thing. No, no, no. It is not. It's just a chimp. It's just a weird-looking chimp. Oh, okay.

But one of the weird parts about it is that it liked to walk on two feet. Right. So it liked to walk on two feet, and it looked like a person. Oh, I got you. It looked like a person fucked a chimp. Yeah. Look at him. Oh, wow.

Dude, it's creepy. I'm going to put these on. Yeah, get a look. Oh, yeah, I have seen a picture. It's creepy. Of this person. Go to that one in the far, go to the second row, second to the far left, the black and white one. Oh, this one? Yeah, that one.

Look at that one. What in the fuck, man? Wow, that is. I want to think his name was Oliver. Yeah, that's what it's saying. so its name was oliver but look at a weird the weird facial expression particularly in that one image now as he got older he looked more and more just like a chimp but one of the weird things about him see if you can find a video of it oliver the humanzy um he used to walk on his back feet so it was real creepy and so that's part of the

reason why there was all the speculation that maybe it was like some sort of a hybrid it makes sense that there would be like definitely a um there's got to be outliers you know because so much genetic information is shared between like all of the animals on the planet including us and we have bits and pieces of all of it. Oh, my gosh. Interesting. Weird. Yeah. Could be an outlier.

Yeah. Well, they did a DNA test on it because it had a very bald face as well, which is one of the other reasons why I think they had some speculation there was some human in it. But they found out it was just a chimp, just a weird chimp. Yeah, just like a, yeah, just a unique. Yeah, so bizarre. Yeah, super strange. But, I mean, you've got to think if human beings, they think in this form that we're at,

we've only been around in this form for somewhere in the neighborhood of 250,000 to 450,000 years or something like that. They don't really know. But I think on the short end, it's like a quarter million years. That's not that long. Oh, no. I mean, it's weird if you look at the evolutionary, like the lines, we just go. Yeah. It's just a departure.

Something happened. Aliens. I know. I personally. It's my favorite thing to think of. It's my 90%. I always go to the 90%. I'm 10% wrong, but I'm also 90% probably.

Yeah. When I'm high, I'm 100%. Yeah. Something alien. I mean, mushrooms are aliens. Yeah. I think so. They probably came from other places in the universe.

There's probably a bunch of lichens, like hybrid fungus and molds that work synergistically. Whatever. Who knows? I mean. Well, psilocybin can survive. The spores can survive in a vacuum. Oh, really? So they can survive in the vacuum of space.

Oh, man. They can survive in extreme temperatures and extreme cold. Interesting. So the idea of panspermia, you know, that idea that building blocks of life came from asteroidal impacts. Right. blocks of life came from asteroidal impacts right they think that it's really possible that some sort of fungus could exist on an asteroid you know we have chunks of the moon in antarctica and other parts of the world where some big asteroid hits or a meteor hits the moon a big

chunk flies off it gets sucked into our gravity and slams into Earth. Yeah. And if that can happen and you can get some fungus on that, some sort of spores. Yeah. I mean, because water bears survive in space as well. Yep. And those are like more complex. They're weird. Those tardigrades? What a weird looking fucking animal that thing is.

I know. It's the stuff that you don't want to look too much at when you are tripping because it gives me existential dread because then I'm like, I don't want to look too much at when you are tripping because it gives me existential dread. Because then I'm like, I don't know what I am anymore. I don't know what any of us are. Look at that tardigrade's face. I mean, it's so awesome. It's such a, it looks like it's made of like cardboard.

You know, like someone like shaped it with like a paper mache. Or velvet. Yeah, or velvet. Like a velvet balloon. It's just an amazing, yeah. It's got like a buzzsaw tube for a nose. Yeah. Like its mouth.

It's like, what a fucking freaky looking nose. I know. What is it, a mouth, I guess? How does it even sense? I guess it just must be moving and probably I Guess smelling Nutrients and nothing kills them other than like squashing them right? Yeah, really really really small Yeah, they're really really tiny tiny, and they can exist in space. Can you see them with the human eye? I? Don't think you could there's no way I mean that looks like scanning electron microscope entry

What a fucking weird, and it's got little legs electron microscope imagery what a fucking weird and it's got little legs like yeah i mean that's what's fucked up right is that all life comes from i mean the first life that we believe happened on this planet comes from a single cell yeah so it went from a single cell to multiple cells to something like that yeah and then eventually you get a whale or a dolphin or a fucking seagull. Pick a, pick a life form. It's like it. Yeah.

I mean, it never, it never ceases to amaze me. Just like, it just goes on and on and on. And the more that you look, you know, then you're like,

if they're atoms, it's like, are they alive? It's like, they're definitely not alive. They're just building blocks. But then what's the definition of life? If it's,

if it's using energy and it's creating energy it's like you know then then there's sentience and awareness and conscious and all that stuff but you know it's all around us man we're like we're infinitely inside of it what is that what is the the narration saying something about a special protein they're in tardigate they they're disordered because unlike most other proteins they don't maintain a 3d structure how exactly they work to protect the water bear though they call them water bears still a mystery what's clear though is that it could be it could have big implications for humans yeah great you fucking creepy scientists you want to turn us into tardigrades to keep us from getting cancer it's like well if we harness

the t-cells from the human being and uh take bits of tardigrade and we are able to integrate we just have to get people comfortable with a new shape it's like it's it's all science i mean we really are we're just a big experiment ourselves creepy looking little fuckers we only like what we are. We like what we look like, you know? I mean, yeah. I mean, that's what kind of goes to what's happening now, even with all these riots and protests and all this stuff.

It's like, you know, I was talking to a friend about it. My drummer, Guillermo, grew up similarly, like mostly white culture. I mean, I'm half white, half black. So I have my French mom and my African-American dad who was from Cleveland, Ohio. And so the mixture of the two plus the fact that they were married in 1967, 68. And in the United States, it still wasn't legal to marry interracially. So they were married. That's during my lifetime.

How crazy is that? If you want to talk about the history of racism, during my lifetime it was not legal for African Americans to marry white people. That's correct. And also the Chinese had their own pathway too. I think they were later. After that, huh?

I think so. I think so. It's just like all that stuff when i think about like how much like went on and to to get me to a point at which i can just be chill and be like oh hey what's up you know like oh i'm gonna go buy a snack now um i have to like i have to think about that because it's um you know my mom reminds me all the time thankfully because i tend to operate from like i'm a human first and my characteristics and my character and the way that i treat other people is the primary thing that i'm working from and i'm aware of that i look a certain way that might trigger certain people but that's not how i operate i don't

operate from that i go for the character first Then if I start to detect there's something else happening, then I can modulate and figure something out. But I don't want to constantly assume, um, which growing up in Montana, I would have blown, I would have exploded if that was the way I was doing stuff. Cause most of the time, Montanans, even if they're kind of, I'm uncomfortable with a black person, even if that was the case. And I come up and I'm having a conversation with them. And after a while, they're like, oh, that's cool. Oh, you helped me with my thing. Oh, yeah.

Thanks a lot. Oh, that's cool. And then we're just kind of getting along. And they didn't even realize it. It's like a sneak attack. What part of Montana did you grow up in? I grew up in Great Falls. What's that near?

What's a big city that's near? There's no big cities. But what's the closest? The closest would be the capital Helena Oh, but it's not it's but Great Falls is bit. I think is bigger than Helena So a great falls about 65,000, but it's got an Air Force Base And it's got an oil refinery and some cannery it's like from Budweiser and Pepsi We there because someone your family's in the military. Yeah, my dad. Yeah, my dad was a

your family was in the military? Yeah, my dad, yeah. My dad was a two-time Vietnam vet. His first was in the Army. Then he left the Army after four years and then applied with the Air Force. And then- Went back. And got in the Air Force and they sent him back again.

Holy shit. Which was kind of crazy. But then he survived it, you know. Moved to France, or moved to a base in Germany because they were decommissioning. Remember like in France, we had bases, the United States had bases. And then Charles de Gaulle at the time was like, we don't want your bases in here anymore. So all your bases belong to us. All your bases belong to

us. Yes. We will absorb your bases. And the United States is like, oh, no, we'll get out of there first. And we're like, okay. But yeah, so he was helping to decommission a base. That's how he met my mom. Oh, wow oh wow yeah his name is charles and they met in a bar called the charlie bar which i thought was kind of oh wow and then just decided to go to montana because the base was there no well uh he we were stationed for a second we went all over europe so i was born in stuttgart then we moved around uh spain um italy i think yeah spain and italy and then when i was four years old uh they we had a choice of two Then we moved around Spain, Italy, I think. Yeah, Spain and Italy.

And then when I was four years old, we had a choice of two places to go to. And they picked Montana because Montana had a better school system or something at the time. And then I moved there when I was four. And I wasn't even a citizen. I was a citizen of nothing until I was four years old or five years old. Yeah, so I was a non-citizen. How weird is that? That's really weird.

It's not weird. It's, it's, it is weird. Yeah. It's not weird because of the circumstances. Well, it's not weird because you're a human being on earth.

It's weird that you have to like be assigned a patch of dirt. I know. You know, I know, I know. What tribe do you belong to? It's like, I don't know.

I haven't decided. He has not decided. The young one has not decided I mean it was I mean it's weird if I think about it I'm kind of an immigrant, but not kind of not well. You're American. Yeah, you have American parents I have even if like Brian Callen was born in Fuck where was he born? He was born in somewhere freaky Maybe Saudi Arabia Abu Dhabi or something like that something

outlandish because his family was on the road all the time as well right yeah same same sort of deal yeah where you're kind of not you're not a citizen i forget what they call it there's a status for that but um traitor it's a traitor yeah it's a traitor or a spy insider yes a spy yes uh someone not your candidate yeah totally uh it's like he's the perfect one he's not connected to anyone he has no children yes um no i i mean yeah i guess it was like i was in montana when i remember i kind of vaguely remember being in the courthouse and being made a citizen oh wow of this of the united states when you're four when i was five i think oh yeah so for four so i was like in the united states like i wasn't in i was a non-cit United States. I was a non-citizen.

I was a non-citizen of the world, and then I became an American citizen. How strange. Yeah, it was very strange when I think about it. It's like all the ingredients are insane. I'm so stoked I got to grow up where I got to grow up, and I had the experiences that I got to experience, and I love Montana, and I love my friends from Montana, and I like being a guy that people would never expect is from Montana and it's like well you're you're an unusual guy in that you're very left-wing like me but you're also very second amendment

pro-second amendment for sure like me you know I find like you and I have very big parallels on that that's true like you know all for everyone's rights Like for everything and you just I want people to be free yeah, do whatever Yeah, but when shit like this goes down and people are just randomly lighting targets on fire and you know and I know smashing windows and stealing things and Knocking cars over and pulling people out of trucks. Now you understand that the veneer of civilization is very thin. And the chaos of being is very deep.

And I don't ever want to have to use a gun, ever, on a human being, ever in my life. If I make it to the grave and never have encountered anyone that i needed to shoot to protect my or my my loved one's lives i'll be a happy person yes of course but i'd be much happier if i get to make that choice you know and i get to i have the opportunity or the ability to protect myself or to protect someone i care about well i mean it's like it depends on the climate that you're you, we live in a climate that is like for very, so many reasons have we've gotten to this point at which essentially I could just say a blank, the blanket blame goes to capitalism in general. I mean, I'm sure like you talk about this on this, on the show a lot and capitalism

in its most fundamental state is just essentially trade. It's what humans did at a, you know, you set up a fruit stand and like someone's got bread and someone's got, you know, and you trade and then there's kind of like an understood value for things. And on a basic level, it's just kind of what we do as human beings. We barter, we trade, things like that. But then you flash forward and you like overlay complexity over complexity over complexity that is then guided by people who are like, oh, I can game the system a little bit more. Oh, I can game the system a little bit more. And now you get all these hoarders and hoarders and people and choke points of resources. Right.

And so then they're they're kind of dictating the value, blah, blah, blah, blah. Same thing goes with the arms. You know, it's like, yeah, I enjoy the reason why I enjoy my ability to have a firearm is because i respect their power um i'm in i'm an engineered minded minded person so i like the engineering and the craftsmanship behind it and i like the responsibility and the safety factor of it that people take it seriously when i grew up people were really adamant about the safety of guns like everything that whenever i touched a gun looked at a gun before you pick it up, they'd be like, never put your finger on the trigger, never pointed it at anybody unless you plan on firing it. All the things that we

all hear about gun owners are supposed to be taught. And so growing up with guns, I didn't really fear them. They were just a thing, you know, and my, my whole mom's side of the family is all police, police people. And my dad was whole mom's side of the family is all, uh, police, police people. And my dad was a military policeman. He was in the military. So, you know, guns, like that was just a part of the thing, farmers, hunting, all that stuff. Great fall, same thing, growing over my friend's house, seeing a deer hung up, strung up, you know, on the rafters with a bunch of cardboard on the ground, you know, getting ready to be processed, all of that stuff. And for me, I came back to guns like maybe like 10 years ago or something like that. Um, because

I wanted to, I was interested in training and overcoming my fear of handguns. And, um, and so that fascination was great and went to Montana and my experiment was like, how long will it take me to get a handgun? You know? And I walked into a sporting goods store. Um, one of my, one of my favorites walked in, timed it 20 minutes. I walked out and I had a bag with a handgun and ammunition in the bag and I was walking out of the store. So there's no waiting period. No, no. You fill out the, you know, the, the background check, you do the background check and they're like, Oh, it looks like there's no red flags or whatever. You can have the gun. Wow.

Which part of me is like, if you're a responsible gun owner and you respect firearms, that seems kind of normal. You're like, oh, I'm responsible. I know how to use this weapon safely. I'm going to buy this gun and I'm going to walk out. And that was my first firearm I ever bought whilst it was an interesting experiment I will say and when I talked to all my law enforcement friends in month in Montana like you know who was it the guy walked in he walked in his suit and had a full on three-piece suit and then had his carry concealed carry on him and then walked in with a huge bag

of like crazy guns but um he is a prosecutor and has to have security when he when he goes to cases and things like that because when they get convicted sometimes people stick their friends on them and stuff like that anyways he'd never had any altercations but an interesting guy really like very heavily armed blah blah blah blah, blah, blah. And I started talking to him. I was like, what would happen if in order to get a firearm, you had to like back when the NRA was the NRA, when truly was the NRA, when it was a bunch of like war vets who were like, this is how you use firearms safely. Like way back in those days, if people had to go through training and had to be evaluated, had to pass driving, like when you get your driver's license, you have to get into a car and you have to instructor there

and you have to like pass these tests. And when I talk in that way, they're like, I don't really have a problem with that. And I'm like, yeah, because you're promoting, you're only doing yourself a favor. You're promoting safety and you're educating people about firearms. And it's up to them if you want to have a firearm or you don't want to have a firearm. But if you do, you have to know how to safely operate a firearm.

And there are many kinds of firearms. They're not all the same thing. Yeah. So anyways, but it was an interesting conversation. That is a powder keg of a conversation. I know. Right. I know. If you even intimate, just beat around the bush, that may be a good idea for people to

learn how to use a gun before they buy it. Traitor! Fucking traitor! Fucking Second Amendment is a right! I know. It's a right! I know. And it's so funny because that's why I like, whenever I talk, I've got a bunch of friends, they got concealed carry all the time for their professions in Great Falls.

And I'm sitting down with them. They've got a firearm on them. I never feel like nervous or anything like that. But they're highly opinionated about people who open carry. People who open carry, they're always like those people are almost always concealed carry permit people always say that they don't like those people. Because you have a weapon that's visible and it doesn't have a fancy biometric lock on it. There's nothing. It's like if you're in a situation that someone walks up behind you and takes your gun, now they've got a gun.

And you just told everybody. You've just shown everybody that you have a firearm. And you just told everybody, you just shown everybody that you have a firearm. And so there's this weird thing about open carry that conceal carry. People are like, this is ridiculous. While you can do it if it's legal in your state. Certainly. Is it a good decision?

I don't, I don't, I don't think so. It's probably not a good decision to do it when you just go into Walgreens. That's what I'm saying, yeah. It probably exists so that no one can ever infringe upon your rights to have one in any capacity. Sure. You know what I'm saying? It's not a thing where you want to do all the time, but if some shit goes down and you have a gun outside of your house, the law should be you can do whatever the fuck you want.

The law says you're allowed to open carry so you can have this gun outside your house. Doesn't mean go to the movies with a fucking AK-47 strapped to your chest. Yeah, which people do. And I get it. And the whole thing about like the gun issue is that it needs to start somewhere and it should start at education. Yes. Education is the that's the key, right? Yeah.

Like and some people are great at education. Yes. You know, education is the, that's the key, right? Yeah. Like, and, and some people are great at it. Most people that I know that are into guns are very into the safety aspect of it and they understand it. And it's, yeah, it's very important to them. Yeah. But it's one of those things where,

first of all, here's what's fucking weird. I know so many people that want a gun now. So many people that are asking for all these liberals. So many liberal friends of mine are asking me, they're like, I know you have a gun to deal like whether and it's like what is it taking i'm like i was talking to two different friends who have had friends ask them if they

can borrow a gun like you can't loan someone a gun you can't you people that are anti-gun are hilarious because yeah they don't know that there are rules. Like this idea that there's no rules. No, there's rules. Yes. All they hear about is, oh, but what about the gun show loophole? They start talking about the gun show loophole. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Go to a gun show then. See any gun shows? No. Well, you can't have my gun. Get the fuck out of here. I know. I know. That's the thing that's so hard about it Because for me, I'm a pragmatist.

And to me, it's always about awareness. It's always about education. And the thing that the conversation always breaks down on either side, where it's like, if it's a gun nut, and they're like, any hint of something that says, we're going to have to talk about this? They're like, no. And then the people who are really anti-gun, they're like, any hint that there might have to be a compromise made, then they're also equally like, no. And then the people who are really anti-gun, they're like any hint that there might have to be a compromise made, then they're also equally like, no. And nothing's ever going to get done unless you get soldiers, cops, people who use guns for who have to use guns for a profession, talking to people who are heritage gun owners, people who've been growing up for generations doing that, two people who live in urban situations where there's illegal gun sales and black

market guns and their problem with guns and their communities. All that stuff needs to be talked about, but the sides are so entrenched, it's very, very, very difficult. Well, I think something like we're experiencing right now, these riots and the looting, this opens people's eyes. This is like we're talking about our liberal friends that are very interested in getting a gun now. This opens people's eyes. You realize like this is not – no one's on a power trip. You're just talking about your ability to safely defend your loved ones and yourself.

That's all you're talking about. Absolutely, 100%. And my thing is too, it's like technology is amazing and guns are an interesting form of technology because obviously if, again, in a healthy situation, you're like, oh, did you see the new blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh yeah. They enhanced this. Oh yeah.

There's a trimount for the silencer. So did you apply for the silencer? I have a class one license. All that geeky stuff. It's as geeky as people working on engines and hot rods, right? There's that, right? Then there's the whole cultural thing that you movies, you know, like bad boys and everything, just guns are just stuff that people just have. And they're just shooting around. And the thing is like, people never understand when you talk to a war vet about guns and gunfights and firefights, especially recent firefights,

and gunfights and firefights, especially recent firefights, they're like, I never, ever would ever wish you to ever be in a gunfight, ever. And so, and I believe them because I know things can change so quickly. A bullet, when you shoot a gun and it hits somebody and it ends their life, even if they were like threatening you and so forth,

that is one of the most traumatic things that can happen in a human being's life. And they have to live with that all the time. I mean, soldiers, at least they have like, I'm on a side and I'm trained, you know, and there's psychological help and all that stuff. Or police officers, same thing. Most of them never even draw their weapons,

but when they do and they do fire it, the consequences are devastating on a psychological level. But I will say that, you know, I, my friend who carries, I was like, what if the first three rounds that you have in your personal protection gun, like at home or whatever, your handgun, whatever it is, what if the first three rounds were rubber? And then there were live rounds after that. And he was like, oh, that's an interesting idea. And I'm like anything to protect yourself, but not necessarily guarantee that you're going to kill, kill somebody. If it's, you know, if it's a weird situation, situations happen fast.

And I understand when someone comes into your house, all bets are off. Whatever you need to do, however you feel, if someone breaks into your house, that's, I understand that completely. But for me, I'm like, what can i do to make it really hard for someone to even get to me in the first place yeah and my last last last resort is a weapon that can kill somebody that's my very very very last but i'm going to do everything i can to be as preemptive as possible to not be enticing for people to want to come up and attack yeah these rubber bullets that these cops are you can't get protesters How fucked up is this that they're just shooting them into people? Yeah directly. Yeah, they're supposed to hit him off the ground

They're shooting them at fucking reporters. You see those reporters your reporters interviewing these people and like ah, what the fuck? Yes, it's getting shot at I know by cops that know they their reporters. Yes, I know and a reporter lost her eye Recently ABC reporter someone like that. Yeah got hit in the eye with rubber bullet just recently like yesterday or so Oh my god and lost an eye that happened to when I was at the WTO riots, you know, like one second. You're like, oh cool The chief of police is talking to the lead organizer and he's got his helmet off and everyone's like, oh, this is cool. They're all talking. And then from behind the police lines, you hear a bullhorn. We're going to be launching tear gas.

Please clear the area. And you're like, wait a minute. But you guys were just talking. It's like, oh, I don't know. And he doesn't know because that was another order placed by someone that wasn't him. And then suddenly it turns into pandemonium. And the next thing you know, another dude loses a guy that I knew that was a friend of a friend lost his eye in the WTO.

Right. It's because the guy, the police officer shot at him directly instead of bouncing it off the ground. It's just like, and it comes down to my gun, my gun guru dude that I was, you know, training with for, for a film. And that's kind of what launched me back into, into stuff. But he was saying training, training, training. It's like when it comes to police officers, it's community outreach, reach, being able to actually establish a contact with your community so that you, they can at least have some form of trust or someone that they can talk

to that they can relate to. So they understand the police are there for the protection. Then the other thing is like training. A lot of these officers are just like they're just sending them out and going hey good luck deal with stuff as it happens and then some of the cats are like they don't know and they their anger gets the best of them someone's being indignant and they're like you know what i'm gonna lay it down i just think most people do not have the kind of temperament and character to deal with being in a position of having control over other people. Really ultimate fatal control over other people. I just don't think they have that. I think most people, I mean, I think that takes a really powerful person.

And there are powerful people out there that handle it and handle it well, and they're great cops. Yes. And then there's guys like that guy who put his fucking knee on that man's neck For eight minutes and 38 seconds over whatever it was and finally the the family got their own Autopsy and the the autopsy showed the man did die from from yeah Not not just asphyxiation, but also from the blood being cut off to the brain jeez which is really what it is It's a blood choke because you're you're putting your shin on the side of the neck. It's cutting off the carotid artery.

It's like a choke, like a jujitsu choke. The idea that that's not what killed him is like, come on. What was just a coincidence? I mean, what is the autopsy? How corrupt are your fucking medical examiners? Man, I'm telling you, it's, yeah, I know where they're we need to get we need to get ahead of this and it's like you know just He had pre-existing conditions. Yeah. Yeah, it's called being black. Yes All being gone being arrested especially by that guy that guy had 12 different

Abuse forms that were yeah uh claims against him over the years yeah i know and and the guys that were just kind of sitting there you know the cops that were sitting there it's like they yeah again it's also a training issue it's like you know and if you're a cop and you you you've noticed another a fellow officer in the field doing some shit that they think is like not cool or just straight illegal whatever or they have a feeling that it's going to escalate with this person if they're if it's left unchecked they really it's hard for them to communicate to because there's this whole brotherhood loyalty thing that locks everybody into like this code of silence and it sucks because well how do you

expect police departments to get better if police departments aren't allowing themselves to get better? Well, some people that do step out, they get in trouble, right? Some people that do call out other officers for shitty behavior. But there was one woman really recently. I think it was either yesterday or today. There was a guy and he's arguing with these protesters, this male cop. And this woman gets on her knees in front of him and says she's on her knees. And he shoves her to the ground when she's on her knees.

And this female officer gets in the guy's face and starts yelling at him. And as he's walking away, she's chasing him down and yelling at him. Oh, God. And it's all on video. So there are examples of good cops who see cops being abusive. And this guy was clearly abusive. Like there's one guy standing there and he got right in the guy's face, like intimidating him. And then he pushed the girl down.

Look, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be cops. And then the stress of those situations where you're trying to take control of a mob. It turns bad. Or you get that sheriff from Flint Michigan, did you see that? Oh, that was amazing Beautiful brings a tear to your eye really did he's like we're gonna put down the batons. We're gonna march with you Yes, we're all together in this. Yes, and you know, and we want you to have a voice Yeah, and then he's hugging people and everybody's hugging everybody and they're walking together. So voice yeah and then he's hugging people and everybody's hugging everybody yeah and they're walking together so imagine the cop that pushed the lady down and

put him in that situation with those people yeah that same aggro attitude he'd be yelling to people and tell him to shut the fuck up and pushed him away and it probably would have escalated or imagine that cop with in the other scenario with that woman on the ground he probably be like ma'am I don't want you on your knees but we're all in this together. We all saw what happened to that man. And it's an injustice. Let's walk together.

Let's try to heal this community. Let's try to do better. Yeah. That's what I want to see, man. I mean, that's all it comes down to. It's all about behavior, how you handle a situation in the moment and again if they had a little bit of training Just a little bit of training to say like stop before

think stop think Then assess the situation and you know unless your life is in danger like you know But that these situations are not that these are cops that are like something happens There's like something clicks and there's chaos all around. And the instinct is like essentially the same mentality as someone who's taking advantage of it on the other side, who are like the people who come out after the initial rage wave of like, ah, you know,

which is a natural kind of biological instinct and it's a rebalancing. But then there are the opportunists that sneak in behind the wave. And those are the people that you see like targeting in a very organized way, targeting these stores, knowing exactly where they're gonna go and they're gonna take advantage of these moments of chaos. And then of course that gets mixed in and the cops see that and it's like,

well, they kind of get in on that wavelength instead of the majority wavelength, which is just like, we're pissed, we're emotional, we're loud, but we're allowed to do this. Have you seen these bricks that people have been finding at all these different sites where people are protesting? These organized stacks of bricks. No. Yeah, man.

Look, this is, I'm going to send, Jamie, I'm going to send you one that Eddie sent me. Who do you think is putting that? That's the question, right? It's like, who is, who is putting that? Is it Antifa? Is it the cops? It's, is it someone who wants someone to throw a brick so that they can impart martial law? Like, what is it?

Yeah. I, you know, my, my brain always goes to conspiratorial. Here it is. Mysterious brick piles appear throughout major protest cities i mean these are these are bricks that are appearing that don't have a reason to be there jamie i'm going to send you this video that uh eddie sent me because this is i'll uh i'll eardrop it to you buddy god man it's the car too and the bait car they said in uh yesterday left a car out there and They left an old shitty car.

Who leaves a fucking free car out for people to just take? A free police car. So they left an old shitty police car out there and then on top of that, this old Why is this not? Okay, Jamie, I'm air dropping it to you right now. So this old shitty police car and then these three, you have all these

protesters and then these three people move in a very organized fashion. And there's a guy who made a video about it. Have you seen the video, Jamie, where the guy breaks down the Antifa? Have you seen that? I'll send you the video. That's weird. What's that?

I never saw this. Yeah. Okay, put it up on the screen. I've got to figure out how to do it. Oh, okay. Send photos. Oh, I see. That's so crazy.

So there it is. So these random pallets of bricks. This is very organized. This is on Ventura Boulevard out here in L.A. Or I think it's in North Hollywood. So these pallets of bricks are just sitting there. Like, look at this. What?

Yes. They're just like riot supplies. Exactly, riot supplies. What? Exactly. So just like riot supplies. Exactly, riot supplies. What? Exactly. So who's doing this? This is very organized. I mean-

There's many stacks of these bricks. It's very anti-anarchist. Well, is it? Because it's organized. But I mean, well, it's fuel for anarchy, right? Yeah, but I just, I wonder- Look at this. Or do you think, I mean, here's another theory.

It could be possibly performance art. I mean, I mean, and I'm not saying that like as a joke, but like some performance artists like go to that length. But that's very, very organized and very ominous and very weird. I mean, I hope that those are reported and that the police like picked them up. Well, one thing that is happening that's promising is these provocateurs are getting caught by actual black lives matter protesters and grabbing them. And these assholes that are breaking windows and spray painting things like they're grabbing these people and saying, Hey fuck.

And then they're turning these people in like these people are smashing things. But they're recognizing that this is damaging to this. Like there's a great moment in time right now where we can enact real change where you can this is like you get this and it's really the perfect storm in terms of a in its horrific nature you see this guy who's nonchalantly got his knee on this man's neck for eight minutes and 38 seconds. There's no justification. It's very clear. It's horrific. There's no blurriness.

There's no gray area. It's just dirty. It's awful. It's evil. And then the man dies, and everybody is, for a fantastic reason, upset, and they want change change and they're marching through the streets but then when you see these bricks and then we see the chaos and there's they've caught cops cops that people knew were cops wearing police office police uh police distributed gas masks like official gas masks like the ones that the cops use. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like the same wardrobe that cops wear. Everything's black, all military issue shit. And then these people would chase them. Are you a fucking cop? Like, this guy's breaking windows at Target. And then someone in the comments was like, I know who that is. That guy is a cop. And they were calling out the guy's name.

So this cop is going around while these peaceful protests are going on, and he's smashing windows with a gas mask on, fully dressed in military-issued garb, and people are like, well, that's an agent provocateur. But is he acting on his own? Is he a rogue cop? Is he like one of those crazy firefighters that lights buildings on fire so they can save them?

Is he inciting this? What is going on here? on fire so they can save him? Is he inciting this? What is going on here? I think some people just wish they want it to turn into something massive, and they want it to be like a civil war. And there's also the whole race war thing

that you hear about, white supremacists and stuff like that talk about, and then there's the right way. The thing is, your mind can swim in all kinds of like conspiratorial ways and it's probably it's a mixture of all kinds of things you know it's definitely like it's probably like hey i'm gonna do this or like hey we should do that or someone kind of kids around and someone's listening you know in the police police department or whatever and they're like yeah what if we were doing that whatever and they hear that and they're like i am gonna do that who knows but that's some dangerous shit and i think that that's amazing that the the protesters who are seeing this are detaining these people

because those people they're just not helping in any way and i'm yeah here's a good one see this asshole is smashing things and this guy comes over and grabs him and fucking body slams him. Yeah. And then everybody holds the guy down. They're screaming and yelling at him. Yeah. And they hold this guy. Yeah.

They pass him over to the police, too. Yeah. These are Antifa. Yeah. Look at it. He's trying really hard to cover his face. Yeah. It's like, no, no, no, no.

They're like, hey, fuck you. What is he hitting with a hammer? What was he hitting? He was making bricks off the sidewalk. Oh. Oh, and that's so oh yeah yeah yeah good oh my gray hair how old is that dude i don't know it's very frail shitty i mean i think how easy they took him down there's definitely some anarchists that are like

you know they're basically they're like we're doing this this is our time and you know that there's like a whole wave of those people because i mean i remember going to uh brandenburg germany uh a friend of mine out there has like a bunch of uh kind of antifa slash arnic anarchist but like kind of mellow version german mellow version of that um bought a bunch of land that was actually uh it's got like a weird shaky history but it was like gobel's uh training camp for the nazi youth at one point and then it was uh before that it was like a weird shaky history, but it was like Goebbels training camp for the Nazi youth at one point. And then it was before that it was like a Polish, I don't know,

like air force place or something like that. Anyways, it has like this military weird shaky history, but they bought it and they've converted it. And now it's like very accepting of all people, like all kinds of people live on there. And then they are people who work on the what's it called the Fusion Festival, which is one of the biggest festivals in the world in Germany. That's in Brandenburg and it's an amazing festival

It's all just love based Techno, you know, but it's got that hard edge of like anti-corporate It's all DIY, but it's massive. It's like 70,000 people festival. It's like Burning Man in the woods. And very interesting conversations that you hear from them. Do you speak German? I don't, I don't.

I mean, a tiny bit, ambition, but not a lot. I actually was trying to learn German. I love the German language. Do they speak English? Yeah, they speak English. So when you're having these conversations. yeah we're speaking english yeah yeah i remember once because i was renting an uh an audi r8 v10 plus and and i drove it onto the grounds when they were tearing down and this young woman came up with a spray paint can

and was like shaking the can and going like what are you doing here with this kind of a vehicle and it was this weird tense standoff but i was with one of the people who's like one of the like she was gonna spray paint your car oh yeah yeah yeah and and what a bold lady i know and in a way like i was like you know what if she would have done it that's fine i was in her territory you know um fuck that i mean i mean i'm i'm okay with like when it comes to like people who are that passionate about like anti-corporate and stuff like that, I'm like, I get it.

Yeah, but that's your property. No, I mean, I'm renting it. Yeah, but she doesn't know that. She doesn't know that, but I did. And I had a feeling she wasn't, but inside my head, I was like, what if she did? And I'd be like, well, I guess I just have to drive this Audi with like this fascist, anti-fascist,

whatever symbol on the side of the car, which I don't, you know, it's like, it's a funny thing. No good ever comes out of that. That's the problem. No. No good ever comes out of defacing property. There's no compromise gets reached. No conversation gets breached. No, no.

Not when you're destroying history and you're destroying. It's just destruction. Again, as an initial response, understandable. If something happens and people go out and they're young, especially in this climate, you know, being kooked up, no jobs, what do you want to do? Let's rally behind this. This is ridiculous. Whatever.

Boom. Initial like, ah, who knows what's going to happen in that chaos when everybody goes outside. I get that. The continuation of it as the standard behavior, that's a problem that any leader, any civil leader is going to condemn and frown upon. Because at the end of the day, I'm a pragmatist and it's just inefficient. It's just very inefficient. That's a funny way to look at it, inefficient. It's like, how are you gonna use that energy?

Like, harness the energy for real, if you want real change, you gotta like, you gotta figure, you have to strategize. And for me, I'm about hacking. Like, we gotta hack this system. Yeah, but you're this guy who's like really into engineering, you're very thoughtful.

That's not what you're dealing with with these burn it to the ground motherfuckers. These people don't have a plan B, and they don't have forward strategy. They just win it. We're gonna fucking tear down capitalism And then what how you gonna get your food you fuck you're gonna get your shoes who's making your shoes Where did you get your car you fucking idiot? I know where'd your phone come from? I'll give you a hint not America Yes, I know have to get made dumb dumb it's it's engineer them it is really like it is and i i i agree with that 100 they're using capitalism to fight capitalism yes they're using the internet and social media sites on cell phones that they

bought yes yes of i mean without a doubt i mean here's the thing it's this is what's so weird about it is that it's such a paradox right Right. I mean, essentially what you're describing. Yeah. So like if you want to affect change, you're either going to fit into the feedback loop. You're going to feed back into the feedback loop or you're going to figure out a way to shift it so that you're able to spiral away from it. And that's really what we need. that's really what we need and i like people taking responsibility for getting rid of the fuckwits that are that are like fucking it up for everybody because guaranteed whether it's the police or whether it's protesters it's always a very very small percentage of those people are going to fuck it up because also the news loves sensationalism so we're going to focus on that i think well this what we're dealing with right now is really the perfect storm. Okay. You have a bunch of pieces in place. First of all, there's a lot of people that never really recovered from the 2008 crisis, right? As people are very upset that the bankers and

these subprime mortgage loans and the housing crisis and everything went chaotic. People lost shit tons of money. And then all of a sudden you have this pandemic and the pandemic comes along and people cannot work so for the first time ever through no fault of your own you literally can't work for months and months at a time there's a staggering number of people right now that are in desperate states they're in a terrible position financially they're about to lose their home they're about to lose their home. They're about to lose their car. They don't know what the fuck they're going to do to feed themselves. And then you get this murder. And the murder just lights all this dry wood.

And then everybody says, look, these people are all full of shit. Donald Trump's full of shit. Nancy Pelosi's full of shit. They're all monsters. It's all bull. Gavin Newsom's full of shit Nancy Pelosi's full of shit. They're all monsters. It's all both Gavin Newsom's full of shit Let's fucking burn it down. Let's steal. Let's smash And that's taking apart that's that's that's happening while these peaceful protests are happening all the while People just got done watching the Joker So the joke yes, Joker, which is this fucking

billion dollar movie where this guy kills everybody and burns it to the ground, shoots people on TV, and here's the problem. You kind of cheer for him. You kind of cheer for him. Of course. If this was a movie and a bunch of people were like, look, we're going to fucking end this corrupt system of capitalism, start smashing

windows and burning things, part of you would be going, hmm, let's see how this turns out. How is this going to turn out? This is kind of an interesting choice. Like, wow, these guys are getting radical. Do they have a plan? But then in the movie, like if you saw these pallets of bricks just mysteriously appearing at these areas where people are scheduled to protest

and where these marches are supposed to go by, you're like, hey, what the fuck is going on here? Yeah It's it's there's something else at play That's like trying to like push it over into that fantasy to move from the fantasy into the reality and my left-wing friends Think it's right-wing people that are agent provocateurs that are trying to start this sort of chaotic Scene so that the military can be called in which is what essentially Trump apparently did today. Oh, yes Yeah, apparently with Jamie would it what why is everybody saying that it's martial law? Is that something that happened after his speech?

Well, he's during his speech who is essentially saying that if they didn't call in the National Guard Yeah, he was gonna bring in the military, which is I don't think I don't know if he can do that I don't know if he can do that. I don't think he can do that. That statement, I think is what they're taking as martial law. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah.

Which, which in a weird way it goes against, I mean like you were, you know, you're talking about left wing people saying like, it's the right wing. And I'm sure that there are right wing people that are like saying, Oh,

it's the left wing because they want it to make it. Yeah. They think it's Antifa. So it's like all this finger pointing. Whoever's doing it is definitely winning for their point of view because they're like, well, we're doing it. No one knows who it is and we're just doing it. Well, Asian provocateurs have been used from the beginning of time. I mean, they've always done that.

Hitler burned the Reichstag. He did that to incite the people of Germany to get behind him and that he was going to take control of the situation. Nero burned Rome, same way. I mean, it was all done in order to get people excited about this idea of this one person saving them from this attack. And that has been done forever. Alex Jones had a great video called 9-11, The Road to Tyranny. It was the first time I really understood that agent provocateurs are a government strategy and he detailed like very this is like i guess it was like 2001 or 2002 that he put this video out and he detailed how the world trade organization when those people were protesting

against the wto yeah and this was in seattle yeah i was there okay so when you were this was in Seattle. Yeah, I was there. Okay. So when you were, this was, you were there in 2000. I was there just before it, uh, it blew up. Uh, it was, uh, I actually don't know. It's 2000. It was early 2000s, early 2000s, maybe 2000, 2001 or something. So these people were protesting against the WTO. And then these guys dressed exactly like that guy I was talking about earlier, all black face covered covered, military issue outfits, military issue Vibram sold shoes, all dressed uniformly, started smashing windows, smashing cars,

pushing over post office boxes, lighting things on fire, and then they wound up shutting down all the protests and even had, they had a no protest zone where people were showing up at work where they had a WTO stick or like a WTO pin with a red line through it. They made them take that pin off of their jacket before they went through the line because you couldn't have anything that was anything, any sort of a protest.

It was crazy. Like this is all documented in this film. Then they eventually, all these guys who were the agent provocateurs, hold up in a building. And then the police negotiated with them and then released them. So there was some sort of an order from higher up. And they were all released. Interesting. They used these guys.

They used military people. Some branch of the government. Who knows what the fuck they were or who they were, they used them to turn a peaceful protest about a legitimate concern these people have about the doings of the World Trade Organization, and they turned it into a violent encounter that they could then justifiably bring in the police and shut everything down. Makes sense. That's what people are worried about with these bricks. They're worried about these bricks.

These bricks, this is horseshit. This is done to shut down the peaceful protests where people are legitimately and righteously concerned about ending police brutality because it's been going on forever. It's been going on too long. Yeah. I mean, yeah I mean it I just at this point it's like I don't I don't Put past any measure done by people that want to maintain their bottom line like they'll do whatever it takes

And it's like again, you know when it when it comes to stuff like that I'm like I want to stay informed I want to intern though I want to keep those ideas in in mind in the most simplistic way Which is if you've got a lot of shit, you're going to do whatever it takes to keep your shit. Right. And you'll do all kinds of crazy shit to try to maintain power and control. And vice versa. And what really sucks is that if you did the opposite, if you did what that sheriff did, you, you actually get not only get what you

want, but you get more. And that's what I don't understand the virus of doing evil badly. That's what I, that's what I think of it as being very inefficient and terrible at being selfish and greedy. If you were really selfish and if you're really greedy, greedy, you would make sure that the wellbeing of your population was met so that there was reverence for your position. And if there's reverence for your position, then you have the goodwill of people and it's easier to make things happen. However, people don't get that.

That's 5D chess. Yeah, man. I mean, I mean, come on. It's like, yeah, but even people don't think like that, right? I know they don't. They just want control and power. It's like the type of person that wants to be in that position is the type of person that just wants control and power. They want people to be afraid of them.

Like the way, even the way Trump talks about it, you know, he talks about using dogs. He's talking about using the most vicious dogs. Like he says it's such a foolish, he's got such a foolish way of communicating in times of crisis. And that's what's really dangerous because some people are really good in times of crisis. Like Obama was very good in times of crisis. Even George W. George W. gave a speech after 9-11 that made everybody love him. Everybody was like, this is our guy.

He's going to take care of us. But I don't agree with him on certain political issues. But obviously there's clearly evil in the world. We just saw these people take down the World Trade Centers. And people have died. And we're being attacked. OK, this guy, he's going to take care of us. And you don't get that feeling with Trump at all.

No, no. Trump is like, I mean, it's like he's just in his own feedback loop. So whatever he can do to make himself feel good he's gonna do it and then he only understands caveman principles which is power strength yeah show strength dominance but he doesn't believe it himself that's the thing it's like I know you know that Trump for as much bolstering as he does all of this shit that he says I swear to God if he was in a room with someone who's just like you're talking about this tough guy stuff let's go right now he would be cowering in a corner there's no he can't back up any of this stuff all of his

positions it's just it's just hot air be a great episode of black mirror oh my god yeah i know right that'd be a great it would have to be like a guy who's like uh a guy who he's insulted but that's like unassuming who fucks him up you know it'd have to be it'd have to be justin trudeau because he's like justin trudeau's like this super social justice warrior guy and he's a handsome fellow with a beautiful thick head of hair yeah if uh if all sudden trump wakes up and he's in like mma shorts yes his big man boobs yeah totally and they're putting in like they're putting in like, they're putting in the mouth guard and they're like, okay,

so this is what you're going to do. He's like, where am I? Where am I? Justin Trudeau's like, just like massaging him. Stretching, warming up.

Totally. Doing these crazy kicks. He starts fucking him up. No, better yet, it would be a woman. Oh, that would be,

that would be amazing. Yeah. Some bad-ass woman who fucks him up. Yep. Some woman president of like Nigeria or some shit. Totally. Starts kicking his ass. Oh, my God.

And making fun of him while she's fighting him. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, you know, I think we... Imagine if that was the rule. Oh, man. Like, if you had to fight someone, like, if you wanted your government to fight, how about, better yet,

we break it down to one versus one. And the best controlled situation where we're going to lose the least amount of life. Yeah. You challenge to a duel the other person from the other country. I'm so down with that. I remember there was a science fiction story, I think maybe in the 80s or it was like in the 80s or the 70s. And it was about that. It was like in the future, world leaders would just fight fight each other so you'd have a real problem with Putin

He'd fuck everybody up. Oh, I cuz he'd be the master cheater. Well. He knows how to fight. He's a black belt judo Oh is a jet black belt. Yeah, he's very good. All right. You ever seen videos of him. No Yes, even you find videos of Putin doing judo. He's very he's very good. He trains with legit guys, too Okay, seems like they kind of let him throw him around a little bit. A little Seagal. Very Seagal-like. But when you look at his movements,

he's clearly skilled. He's very skilled. There's no doubt about it. He absolutely knows what he's doing. Here he goes. See, this is him working out with the Russian judo team. That kind of shit.

That guy, that was a little weird No, no, no, man. That was a legit move. That's a legit move. It seems so so effortless It's just a simple sweep. He he what these they're doing right now is they're grabbing He's got a little fucking problem is a little dumb. They're grabbing each other's. They're just gonna tape his thumb up They're grabbing each other's G's and they're moving each other around they they're just going to tape his thumb up. They're grabbing each other's geese and they're moving each other around and they try to redirect like that. That looked legit. The other one just felt a little weird.

It looks weird because it's funny how easy it is for someone to throw you to the ground if they just sweep out your foot. You like the little high step warm up? It does look quite feminine. It's actually a good way to warm up. My dad was a judo. He's a brown belt in judo.

When I watch him maneuver, there's no doubt about it, he's skilled. Yeah. No, I mean, obviously, he trains. Yeah. He would fuck Trump up. We'd have a real problem. Yeah, we would. We'd all be speaking Russian.

I mean, Trump would probably get taken out with one slap, an open-handed slap to his face, and he would probably start crying. Well, I don't know about that you know it's you'd have to you'd have to slap around you'd probably mess his hair up and you'd panic yeah just get it wet yeah yeah a bucket of water on his head like ah no so he's uh he's working out with the the real russian judo team though i mean and he's like fucking 60 something years old that's. That's pretty cool. Just kind of crazy.

I mean, on a human, I need to accomplish something level, that's good. If there's something, I was asked today that Maria Bamford had a questionnaire, 25 questions that you're supposed to answer for a certain column or something like that.

And one of the questions was like, did you learn something from someone that you didn't like? And, and in a way, like in that video, it's like, well, I don't really,

I don't like Putin, but it shows that, you know what? At 60 years old, you can still, you can still train with the best of them. And, you know,

and you put yourself, he's putting himself out there and he's, he's going for it. Sort of. But again, it's, it's hard to imagine that those guys weren't kind of like taking it easy yeah i think that they were taking it easy because it's i mean how could you not could you imagine being the guy that like takes hip toss him on his head yeah and you wind up dead yeah and then you just be like he'd be like

all right yeah you got me seems all friendly at first and then like a week later you're like in a gulag yeah you just slowly get poisoned to death over months. Did you ever hear the story about him with Robert Kraft with the Super Bowl ring? No. Sergio Simpson actually told me this story. It's a crazy story. Yeah, he was with Robert Kraft when Robert Kraft was there. He had a Super Bowl ring on.

And he said, let me see your ring. Let me hold. He takes the ring and he puts it on his finger and then just walks away. And then Robert Kraft was like, hey, what the fuck? And then the security guards put their hand on Kraft, like, shaked his hand, like, no. Like, that's his ring now. Wow. He just, in front of everybody, took his took his fucking ring look here it is right here you see it like he puts it on his finger he puts it on his finger he looks at he's like oh and then craft tries to get it back he's like no that's mine i'm gonna keep that oh my gosh yeah ah what an asshole his fucking super bowl ring but he put it on and just walked away. What an asshole. But weird.

I mean, it's a power move. It's such a big dick move. Yeah, it's totally just like, hey, check this out. He just whipped his hog out in front of everybody. The thing that sucks about it. What did it say? What is that quote right there? I took the ring and showed it to Putin.

He put it on and he goes, I can kill someone with this ring. And that was it? That's all he said? And they took it. Yeah. I put my hand out. He put it in his pocket. Three KGB guys got around him and walked out.

Oh. That sucks, man. It's weird. What a fucking, that just sucks. It's such a crazy thing to do in front of everybody. I mean, I get it. It's like, that's like, you know, that's like the thing like, you know,

people like Bolsonaro or Bolsonaro or Trump or any of these like kind of strong arm, you know, that they, they think that that's the way that you do it. That's how, because when you don't have creativity and you don't have a connection to empathy, you make up for it in other ways. so in this particular case It's like well I'm just gonna do strong arm shit because I cuz I can and I do in front of everybody and do it in front I was flashing and just cuz that's how you do it. I did green. It's like this is the way Yeah, this is the way you do it you do it this is power Especially it's him going like this is how power works what a to say to a guy. I could kill someone with this ring. I wonder if he did.

I wonder if he killed somebody with it. You know he's definitely killed people. Oh, for sure. So I wonder if he ever killed somebody with that Robert Kraft Super Bowl ring. Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, that guy. Damn it.

I just, I so hate it. I just wish, I just hope that humanity, we can pull out of it, man. I hope that we can go, you know what? Look what he's saying. What Mr. Kraft is saying now is weird, Dmitry Peskov said. I was standing 20 centimeters away from him and Mr. Putin and saw and heard how Mr. Kraft gave this ring as a gift. Oh, my gosh. Insane.

Insane. It's a gift. Oh my gosh. Insane. Insane. That's like, it's a gift. You know, once that guy, once the KGB guy was like, no, it's like,

you know, it's over. Yeah. You know that it's over. You're not getting your shit back. He said, it's a, it's a humorous anecdote that craft retells for laughs.

He loves that the ring is in the Kremlin. And as he stated back in 2005 He continues to have a great respect for Russia and the leadership of President Putin Oh my lord says Stacey James a spokesman for the craft group. I don't trust dudes who are named Stacey Because they're real they're real. What about Keech? Stacey Keech, yeah, but he was born in the 40s and shit. Okay. Things were different back then.

You could have a gay old time back then. Things were different for Stacey's back then. Yeah, you could have a gay old time. Charlie Sheen. There was rumors that Charlie Sheen bought the ring, but the actor denied it. Oh, okay. It's just a story about lost rings from celebrities. Charlie Sheen was a big 9-11 truther.

Lost rings from celebrities. Charlie Sheen was a big 9-11 truther. He even wrote an open letter to Obama demanding that they come clean about what really happened during 9-11. He was one of them 9-11 was an inside job guys. Man, it just goes to show you like, yeah, celebrity, man. Like, I swear to God, it's like the platform. Is it a documentary? He's in a movie with Whoopi Goldberg called 9-11 That came out a couple years ago

What? A couple years ago? It's like 2017 Hold the fuck up Whoopi Goldberg What? Oh so this is a movie about recreation Oh here I am in the tower doing coke Look at Whoopi

Where did this come out? What is this nonsense? This is a three-year-old movie? There's Lewis Guzman. Oh, let me check my watch. Oh, he's looking at his watch. Oh, my God. September 11th.

It's about to go down. Oh, Jesus. Oh, this looks like maybe the worst movie of all time. First of all, what did they do to Whoopi's hair? Whoopi, they took her dreadlocks and they stuffed them in the most unimaginable wig. It must be like uh yeah that she's like recreating a role somebody that is insane what's crazy about charlie is charlie sheen and look at what they're being crazy here charlie at one point in time was a

super legit actor like in platoon he was in some fantastic movies yeah he was in hot shots i don't know if that was as good major league pretty good hot shots and hot shots part durr man i mean come on but i mean now like we kind of all agree that he's just a fucking loon he's like a crazy person now i don't you know it's it's so the Oh, the elevator's falling. Oh, they're all falling. Oh, shit. Oh, they're fucked. Oh. Damn.

Oh, boy. 9-11. 9-11. Carrera 4S. Join us. Indeed, it's September 8th. Oh, Jesus. Just so you could hear about it before the 11th comes around and you get worked up.

We should have a viewing party for that movie. And smoke a pound of weed. Oh, hell yeah. And watch that. Invite me to that. Oh, you're in. I wonder, do you think 9-11, like when 9-11 happened, that Porsche had to rebrand? No, they didn't give a fuck.

They didn't give a fuck, did they? They're very German. Sorry. Sorry, but our car was named very earlier, so. Arkov has been named this since 1960-something. Yeah, so. Yeah, No Man's Land. He had a movie about Porsches.

Yeah, it's coming up, too. Oh, my gosh. Who was the other dude? The other dude. Oh, I know that dude. Sweeney, yeah. Yeah, he was like an 80s dude. Yes, he was one of them 80s guys.

He might have been in The Wraith. He probably made a ton of money, and now he lives on a ranch somewhere in Wyoming or some shit. That's so crazy, man. But that No Man's Land is about D.B. Sweeney is a cop, and Charlie Sheen is a Porsche thief, and he only steals Porsches. They said, what about Ferrari? He's like, Italian trash.

Oh, my Lord. He won't steal Italian trash. A snobby car thief. And it's a weird time for Porsches too because they kind of sucked Yeah, it's like they're stealing those 80s Porsches that'll kill you because the tire sucked and you know like 944 and well No, they're not they're all 911s But like those old those old 911 turbos like they have that lift throttle oversteer. You never drove an old one, right? No, never.

I have one out there that has a little bit of it. I have a 964. It's an RS America, but it's pretty grippy, and it's got really good tires and an upgraded suspension. There it is. There's the movie. But those old ones- He's obviously on the trailer. When you're going around a corner, you have to stay on the gas.

Oh. You can't let off the gas if you go around the corner, or they get something called lift throttle oversteer. So as you lift off the throttle, the car will oversteer. And many a dude lost their lives because the ass end kicked out because they didn't know how to drive these cars correctly. Oh, man. Now, if you know how to drive the car correctly, you can actually manage that oversteer. There's something about those old cars that once you learn how to drive them, and I'm by no means an expert in how to drive those old cars, but there's something about that

sliding that you know how to time. Right. So you know how to time that slide and actually get to into these corners better. You kind of manipulate that weight. It's like a light form of drifting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like inertial management. Yeah, yeah. I never learned how to do it but I've experienced that in my

964 going around a corner. You let off the gas. It's like, hey, it gets all sloppy. Yeah, it's just like your fucking, your controls like, it's like, hey, it all fucking fucks off on you. You start turning a SpongeBob.

It's like, oh boy, guys. It just gets real, it just feels like you don't have it anymore. And you're like, oh my God, I'm going to crash. And then you like, recorrect. Like, if you ever, like, have a BMW, a 2005 E46 M3. Yeah. It's a great car. It's not the fastest car in the world, but it's really, really balanced. What is it, a 3 Series?

5 Series. 3 Series. 3 Series. M3. It's an M3. It's a great year. But it's like a really, it's a very mechanical car. Like, when you're shifting it, everything, you feel really connected to the car.

But when you go around a corner with this, if the ass end kicks out, you correct real easy. It feels like you got it. You're in control of this car. You just let off the gas, right? And it comes back in. But you also, you could feel what's going on. You feel when it slips away a little bit. You feel very in control of it.

on like you feel when it slips away a little bit you it's you feel very in control of it like you could if you took it around a racetrack and you start sliding and drifting a little bit you'd have it really quickly like there's a shitload of look up m3 e46 drift there's like porn like drift porn all over youtube of guys taking these cars and going, they're famously well-balanced. But it's just a really well-engineered, well-balanced car, but it's front engine. It's built different. That rear engine Porsche, especially, look at these guys. They're taking these things, look how these guys are going sideways around these corners. So many people love these cars for that very reason.

There's this one crazy video of this guy on a loading dock, and it's not very wide, but this guy is drifting sideways and spinning around on this loading dock. Like, look how well this guy's handling this. But this is about this car. These cars are, that's not an E46, but

it's another entry. Oh my lord. But these cars are like really easy to maneuver. They're so controlled. Easy drifters. Yeah, it's just an amazing car. That's a beautiful E46 right there. Wow. Yeah.

But these cars, you can, when they spin, when the ass end spins, you just correct. And you can handle it and use it to drift around cones like this guy's doing. Man, have you seen Hyperdrive on Netflix? No. What is that? It's like a drifting competition. But they set up this course on an old abandoned factory. Oh, wow.

And it kind of reminds me of like- Inside? What's that? Inside of it? No, it's all outside. It's like a big outside machinery, kind of like towers, everything. And they have these drivers from all over the world, Germany, Japan. It's like Cannonball Run.

Remember Cannonball Run from the 80s, the movie? Oh, wow. So there's all these racers. There's a husband-wife German team. They each drive their own car. There's a couple guys from Japan, a bunch of Brasilaros, some guys from Brazil, Americans, this woman from Florida who I follow on Instagram, who's a badass.

She had a really amazing run. And women, men, people of, not a lot of people of color, but like definitely like a pretty diverse crew from all over the world. Wow, what the fuck? They're going up this giant ramp? So they have to balance that. So you have to keep going back and forth until you find the balance point. Then it turns green.

Once it turns green, then you can go forward on the course. And almost everybody lost it. But all these people, they're so sick. They're some of the best drivers in the world. But the thing that really brought a tear to my eye was that they're all rooting for each other. Like all of them are rooting for each other because there's never been a thing like it. And I mean, there's definitely drift competitions, because there's never been a thing like it and I mean there's definitely drift competitions But there's never been a thing like this and

Executive producer sure he's the wrong. Yeah. Yeah, what is she what I think? I think she's just in it. She's a drift freak Yes, Max. Yeah, remember Mad Max Yeah, so I'm sure someone approached her about it and she like cars enough to like, you know Be and put her name on to it, but it's watch this thing. You'll love it. It's some of the best driving precision driving I've ever seen. I have a boner. It's,

it's, it's so, it's so good. And they're like killing it. And, and the thing is they can't repair their cars. So, I mean,

they can patch them up between runs, but they can't modify them. They can't bring in like new parts and like start. So, I mean, they can patch them up between runs, but they can't modify them. They can't bring in like new parts and like start. So, their rules. What about tires? Can you replace tires? I think tires between the different courses, you can change stuff. But I think like during the race,

and then there's like another race right after that. Like, I think you can do some patch up stuff. There's like this French dude, he had a car that just would not fucking die what was it it just won't i think it was a french car i think it was a i think it might have been a renault i don't know if it was renault might have been a citroën i don't know it was some it was one of those it was like i said that if i was on a day with you girl i'd be very excited. Would you like to take a ride in my PX19 Citroën?

He probably reads. Yeah, c'est comme ça. He probably watches movies with reading in them. You have to read the words. I can subtitle and see the imagery at the same time. That's crazy. I know, I know. Let's go have some wine in a park six feet away from each other.

Do they have a specific kind of car that dominates these things? Is it like smaller sports cars? do they use muscle cars at all it's it's everything like the the kind of the favorite uh brazil guy there were two brazil racers actually a really young guy who was like his he and his father have like this amazing relationship and he's super regimented and strict about his training and stuff like that and then this other dude who's his friend that he taught the younger guy how to drift. So it's interesting, they know each other

and they're competing against each other. But the guy, the older guy, he wears this cowboy hat and he wrecked his car and didn't have enough money to build a new car for drifting years and years ago. So it was a big deal for him to put a car together. But it's like, I forget what it is, but it's a monster American car. It's like, it forget what it is, but it's a monster American car. It's like, it's.

Oh, that right there. Uh, that might be it. Dodge Charger. Yeah. It's a Charger. You don't know what the fuck that is. I was going to say that. How dare you. I just don't, I just didn't remember.

Yeah. It's got the road. This guy should have a road runner on the side. That's a dope car. Jeff Tweedy. Yeah. Well they put a crazy fin on the back of it. Yeah.

Yeah. But he, he's a monster. Yeah. It is. It is functional, but he that's probably he's a monster then yeah, it is functional but he He was and that car and so you're talking about going through shipping containers It's a big card with three inches of room on either side and he was bombing them and like Didn't lose his rearview mirror his side view mirrors. Really this yeah, there's like that thing there shit I swear you're gonna like there's gonna definitely be some tears shed because some of the shit that people pull off on this race and it's anybody's race because sometimes like

You know I forget the woman from Florida, but you know she killed it on one of her runs I was like oh my god. She's gonna go really really far, and then she just had car problem They had problems with like a pressurized hose system That's supposed to hit the car if you don't clear a certain thing. This guy's fucking drifting on this snowy road in a 68 Charger. Oh, my God. Look at all the snow and ice. This is so unpredictable. Yeah.

This guy's a monster. I want to just grab him and hug him and say, cut that wing off. Yeah, I know. Cut that disgusting wing. Oh. He drifted his way into a tunnel. Bonus drift. Oh, my God.

That's so dangerous. You're going to lose your mind over that show because I can't wait for the second season to come out. Bro, if you're going to talk drifting, you've got to talk Ken Block. Have you ever seen that shit that he did? That Hoonigan shit that he did with that Mustang? No. Oh, my God. No, Block is a monster.

The most insane, I want to say, is a 65 Mustang? Somewhere in the, I think it's one of the earlier generation Mustangs and it's like the most ridiculously modified Mustang. It's got, there it is. Look at this fucking thing. It might actually be a 67. Okay, so you're there with Matt LeBlanc, who trivia grew up in the same town as me.

Oh, really? Yeah, Newton, Massachusetts. Shout out to Matt. I used to hear about him because he dated girls that I knew. Oh, man. Look at that car, man. So Ken Block has this fucking ridiculous car, like super, I think it's a four-wheel drive car, too. And he's got these crazy shifters and these e-brakes and shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those big ass. Man, you, yeah. Those big ass. Man, you're going to get a kick. These guys are like doing that shit, but on a course. That's insane. There's a dude, classic, again, cannonball run shit. This white dude, Lamborghini Huracan, I believe. Whoa.

Makes it four-wheel drive. Or no, it's a four-wheel drive car. He modifies it so that he can turn off four-wheel drive or no it's a four-wheel drive car he modifies it so that he can turn off four-wheel drive so make it four-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive for different events so his take was that he was going to tech out everything and when he went on runs he had like the auto fold mirrors so he'd fold in his mirror so he wouldn't break his mirrors off oh my god and all this shit and he actually made it quite a ways but it was like the Japanese team in cannonball run. They had like that crazy teched out car or whatever.

It's man. I had such a blast. That's a fun looking show, man. It's funny you talking about Brazil. Did you ever watch that documentary on Ayrton Senna? Oh yes. Oh my gosh. Amazing. Right? Man.? Oh, yes. Oh, my gosh. Amazing, right?

Man, racing spirit, man. Dude, that documentary shows you what fine line exists between being the very best and someone who dies in a crash. Yes. It's so, they're riding this fucking razor edge of performance,

and Ayrton Senna was famous for having these spectacular instincts, but ultimately died in a crash. Yeah. I mean, and unfortunately, you know, fortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, he had the crash. But then they changed so much, you know, because the racers were complaining about like how dangerous it was. Well, he was responsible in some way for the design of the NSX. Oh, really? Yeah, they had an Ayrton Senna version of the NSX that didn't have a sunroof. It had a solid fixed roof.

And I think they did some different modifications to the suspension. And it's kind of crazy when you look at it. You know, we were talking about cars earlier before we started the show, and modern sports cars are so goddamn fast. They have so much horsepower. But the NSX, when it came out, I think, I want to say it had 275 horsepower. That's a lot for a tiny car. That wasn't that big of a car.

It was slow, bro. Trust me. I had one. It was slow. I think it was at the very first. That's the A ayrton senna version oh wait a minute yeah so that's look at that i want to say this is like early 90s well it's it's flip windows or flip uh uh lights so it is an earlier version of it that's crazy yeah i think

my mind oh no i was thinking of um acura integra that seems like it's got a body kit that seems no that's a huge body kit are you kidding there's that second intake on the bottom and then there's the side skirts that were added and it's been lower in the hood that's not the no that's a super someone's someone went crazy with that one yeah but those sandals yeah those they are still you can still find them. They're all red They're all red with a black seal black roof and you can still find them for sale. They're obscene the expensive now They're fun a great little car though. There's something about those cars, too You feel like you're in a like a jet because the the way the cockpit sits. Yeah, you feel it's very purpose-driven

Yeah, really great car had two of them actually. Oh wow. Yeah, I had one with the flip up lights and then there he is Wait, we're at in Santa. What do you think of the new NSX? It's great It's a great car, but it's not the same thing Yeah, like it's a supercar with four-wheel drive and a hybrid engine and it's got electric engines electric motors a gasoline engine It's spectacularly fast. Yeah. But the old NSX was an aluminum car that was rear wheel drive, mid engine, six speed. Wow. And it was an amazing racer, little light car. I want to say it was like 2,400 pounds or something really light, crazy light. Yeah. Crazy light, like aluminum, you

know? And that's why with that 275 horsepower engine you know for the time it was a quick car but it was like the japanese answer to ferrari because ferraris were beautiful but they fucking break like crazy because my people make them you don't want my people engineering they're fucking animals you know those fucking posse chimps designing your shit you made me the way it looks but then you hand it over to a german guy or a japanese person and they know this won't do yeah so the japanese are like we got it dude just sit down we're gonna i see what you're doing i see what you're doing yeah and we're gonna make one that doesn't break yeah i mean i love those challenges back and forth i mean you

know i love the i mean i saw that finally saw that ford um ferrari movie i still haven't seen it i was glad i saw it i know they took some liberties here and there um but uh uh yeah kind of a cool lesson in um decisions that companies make about emotional products, you know, and also just like, you know, dudes being dudes or whatever, like, well,

we're going to, we're going to create a race program is going to derail the, the Italians, you know, and then like, and then them like changing their, you know, like the Italians going like,

uh, I've, I've changed my mind. I go with, uh, other company, you know, whatever it's,

it's the whole thing is very, obviously very dramatic, but it is wonderful to see what can happen if people just put their heads together and go, their company you know whatever it's it's the whole thing is very obviously very dramatic but it is wonderful to see what can happen if people just put their heads together and go you know what we're gonna fucking create a sick race car right now and we're gonna get an amazing team together we're gonna put it together and you know and the modern gt is is gorgeous it's a it was a car that i wanted for a long time uh the modern g GT especially the light version the all-carbon fiber version of it And you can buy one with like a million dollars there too

They're too much you have to like go into this special thing where you have to like you have to know somebody who gets you In it well now you can get them because the two-year expiration date is passed you can actually get them on the resale market Oh, yeah, there's one for sale like a mile away from here. Look at it. I don't know I'm happy with my tattoo expensive. Yeah, my car is like a mile away from here. Really? Go look at it. I don't know. I'm happy with my car. It's too expensive. Yeah. My car is like, I'm very happy with it. No, you have a beautiful car.

It's a good one. And I like my Tesla too, which is what I drive most of the time. Do you tell people what your other car is that we're talking about? Are we going to keep it a mystery? You say it like, I love my car. For the first time on national TV. I mean, yeah, we can say what it is. I mean, it's kind of a car that means a lot to me because a weird thing, my dad was a car dude and I never understood it.

Oh, really? Yeah. My mom told me stories about basically when he met her, he had an Opel. It was kind of a cheap Opel. And then he ended up buying a Pontiac Firebird. opal and then he ended up buying a pontiac firebird um that was i forget what color it was but it was a i think it was a it's a type of green anyways he had this amazing american sports car in europe and everyone was freaking out over it and he had that and then his second car was a i can't remember what what this was the third car was um but then his car after that was a Chrysler Cordoba, which was

kind of just like a classy, chill, kind of, yeah, like a luxury sedan is what it was. But it was still two doors, so it was a luxury coupe, I guess. He had that, and he loved cars, and I just didn't put that together. So then when I finally got my stuff together, I had enough credit thanks to my business managers and knock on wood I had enough credit where this car that I have only only it cost me very little money it was like five thousand dollars to get into it what yeah how's that possible I don't know but that's how much thousand dollars down payment and then yeah pay per month yeah okay yeah Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, that car is not a $5,000.

Somebody's lying to you. No, no, no. No, it's a $5,000 car. Let me look at your book. Someone's lying to you, Reggie. God damn it, Joe Rogan. Somebody fucked you over. That is how much it costs, $5,000. Your managers are creep.

There's cocaine in your car. Well, maybe, but I'll take it. Porsche 911, Carrera 4S, 992, the new one. It's a dope car. I'm very impressed with it. This is the first time I've seen one of the new ones in person. And I was saying that your car is, it's not understated, but it is compared to like the Turbo S. But it's like the perfect amount of sleek design, but like slightly, compared to a car, for the amount of performance that that car has under the hood.

Yeah. Or under the bonnet, I guess you would say, because of the rear. That's right of performance that that car has under the hood? Yeah. Or under the bonnet, I guess you would say, because of the rear? That's right. Is that what they, would they say the bonnet? No, I guess they would, I don't know what they call it. Well, there is no, there's no, there's no back hatch for it. The bonnet is what the British call the front, right? The bonnet is the front, yes.

Right. The boot is the trunk. But it's not a boot. But it's not a boot. And you can't see it. You can't see the engine on the 992. Oh, yeah. You see like two fans. Yeah. It's two fans.

That's it. Yeah. So you have the 4S. It is a fucking beautiful car, man. But it's like, it's so sleek. Yeah. Like understated. Yeah.

It's super sexy. It's really weird. Like sometimes I look at it and I'm like, that looks pretty badass. And then the other night I had it parked at night and I showed my friend, we walked up to it and it just looks so crazy sexy. Like in a way that I'm not used to feeling about a car, but, um, but it, but it was built. It was, I do. Sorry.

I get feels. It was, it was built in the town I was born in. It was built in Stuttgart or, um, sorry, the Porsche is from Stuttgart. I think it was actually built in another village. How come some of them have the big fat single exhaust tips, the two tips, and then yours has four tips. That's the sports exhaust. I kind of like the way yours looks better. Yeah. It's weird. I thought that I ordered, there's a couple of things that I didn't include in the spec that I thought I did. Um, so they didn't come, but I'm actually glad that I didn't get them.

But the sports exhaust was one. And I realized sports exhaust doesn't give you any performance at all. It just makes it louder. It just makes it louder, which I didn't really understand. I thought sports exhaust, it must like get rid of, it must exhaust better. It just makes you a more obnoxious person.

Yeah. And I'm glad because I don't want to attract attention. It's a beautiful car, man. It's great. It's so well engineered, man. There's so many things you were telling me that it does that I didn't know, like attention. It's a beautiful car, man. It's great. It's so well engineered, man. There's so many things you were telling me that it does that I didn't know, like the night vision shit.

Yeah, the surround view when you're backing up, that's a lifesaver. I've always wanted to have that in a car. God, that car is sick. And it has tech that all cars should have, you know. I mean, the way I viewed it is like, you know, I wanted to drive a Porsche because everybody who drives Porsche always says the same thing. It's the benchmark. It's like, it's a driver's car. It's a bit, you know, why do you have to say it like that, bro? Well, because, because that's what it sounded like in the beginning to me. Cause I was like, okay, okay. Okay. It's like everyone going like game of Thrones. You've got to see game of Thrones, which is still, I still, I haven't seen it.

I will not see it. I'm not going to see about anything else. Oh, damn it. No, no. It's the greatest show in the history of the world. Sure. Okay. How dare you? I know. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

I'll get to it for you. I'll do it. But, but your people were right about the Porsche. But they were right. As soon as I, cause I, I purposefully didn't, I never rented one. I never drove one and I never drove one until I had one. And as soon as I took my first drive, it was like me and my assistant, because my assistant has been with me for like 12 years. And she helped me with all this stuff. That's a big leap.

So you just buy it. You didn't even test drive it. I didn't test drive it. Because when people speak enough about this Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, they're not lying. They're not. No one's making that shit up. And so. You should talk to someone who's really into Scientology you might be a lot of people

that are in this shit that's nonsense yeah but this is not a nonsense car that's a masterful piece of engineering yeah it's I mean I drove it from Montana down to LA and I thought it was gonna be uncomfortable you know it's like that's a sports car it's gonna be uncomfortable because I had an Audi TTRS before this and that had the track suspension and that was an unforgiving suspension that everywhere you went, you were like, you know, you're just getting thrown all over the place.

And this car is so civilized. And when you're on the road, you're like, I can do anything, but I'm just going to chill. Like for me, I just kind of set my cruise control that's the other thing it has adaptive cruise control which is a very very important thing when it comes to any car really but a sports car especially and i didn't have in the ttr so if you're in bumper to bumper traffic you're just pedaling back and forth pedaling back and forth and it sucks but with the with the Porsche I just said it you know and just Cruise and it had clean keep assist you have a Tesla. I have a Tesla yeah, but doesn't your Tesla do that, too

Well Tesla does autopilot. That's it's a whole nother leg. That's home. That's my favorite. That's my absolute favorite I love autopilot I come home from the comedy store, and it's late at night That is the move yeah, just love it i'm a little tired i don't feel like driving i just put a couple fingers on that thing and kind of pay attention i pay attention but yeah get it going just uh just let it just let it take over it's so sweet it really really it i mean i've been using autopilot for probably 70 of my drives for since it came out and there's some new upgrade that i got but i haven't done anything to it there's some new upgrade like full autopilot i don't know what that does i did that too uh yeah it's not really doing a lot right now yet

it's starting to recognize uh traffic lights um so you will get a warning when a traffic light's turning yellow to red they'll be that that's the beginning of when a traffic light's turning yellow to red. There'll be that. That's the beginning of that. And then there's a couple other things like physical stop sign. It can read, oh, there's a stop sign. Things like that.

But nothing is automated. Those aren't automated. They're only recognition things. So right now it's recognizing things that it could be active in, but it's not doing it. Interesting. Yeah. I love, I love autopilot. I mean, I will say with the Porsche, that's my last gas car that I'm going to get. Um, I just wanted to like experience it and know what it's about. And then, and then I'm going to probably move on to, I don't know, something, or maybe I'll just,

you know, something will happen in the world will completely change and they'll have no access to my resources and I'll just go back to just gardening. But yeah, man, you might have to get an ax. Yeah. I'll have to get an ax. Start a fire with two sticks. Yeah. You know, but I grew up with a boy scout. I'm ready, man. You know, it's like that. What is that Einstein quote? I don't know what weapons they're going to use in world war three, but world war four will be fought with sticks oh i love that that's beautiful that's totally true i mean we're gonna see man we're gonna see i hope they're fighting this with rocks yeah i know yeah with provided rocks god it's like are they they're trying to corporate anyways corporate. Anyways, I'm not going to go back there. All I know is I'm going to do my best to promote peace and love, peace and love and understanding

and education, education, education. This is the perfect storm with all these people out of work. You know, like I think that was ultimately extremely irresponsible to, to just shut the economy down for as long as they did. I think it's a terrible idea. I think it creates unrest. I mean, when you see unrest in all these countries, you're not seeing it in rich communities. You're not seeing people in Calabasas lashing out. It's not a Beverly Hills thing. It's the things that happen when people don't have anything. Well, you've greatly increased the amount of people that are fucked, and then you've thrown this horrific circumstance where we all get to watch a video of someone being murdered by a cop while these other cops sit around and watch.

And then this is all compounded by all these videos. There's a video that I tweeted where this fucking guy is at a stoplight and these Denver cops are shooting his car with pepper gas. And he's like, hey man, my fucking pregnant girlfriend's in this car. Are you fucking guys really shooting? I'm like, I'm not a criminal. And so they keep shooting it. They shoot at his car more.

So as he's sitting there in his car, they're shooting pepper canisters, whatever the fuck they have. Shooting pepper spray at his fucking car Yeah, what are you doing? What are you do so many videos these cops doing horrible shit during this time? And they know that they're being filmed which is really crazy to me They think they're protected because they're wearing riot gear and no one could recognize them look at this So these guys are standing there, but give me a volume on this you can hear this fucking guy Can you hear? Yeah Look, they're shooting tear gas at his car.

Like, why? The pregnant woman in the car. First of all, you're being a fucking moron. Because this pregnant woman's in the car and you're asking them to shoot tear gas at him. I know, I know. He's definitely exacerbating it. But at the same time, they should be not doing that at all. At all, because there's no reason.

This is not like this guy's a threat to humanity. He's not a threat. He's just impassioned and he's loud and he's saying stuff and it's like, they've got all the gear. They have to show the restraint. They're having fun shooting at a car with a pregnant woman inside of it. Just the fact that they knew that there's a pregnant woman inside of it. It's just insane to me. I mean, someone should have gone over there

like that fucking sheriff from Flint. Yeah. Talk to him, apologize. Yes. And then keep the, keep the car moving. The problem is, you know, my friend Tim Kennedy was tweeting this, that there needs to be some, he's a ranger, a special forces guy and used to fight in the UFC and he tweeted, there needs to be some sort of a fundamental change in how we train law enforcement exactly and i think the way they train like if you if you go through buds if you become a navy seal like you have to be exceptional you have to be an exceptional human being to get through that and that's the way they weed out the people that can't cut it yeah that's how they do it yeah but they don't do that for the cops for the cops it's far easier and you're in you know you're around civilian life you're around cities and urban areas and you're dealing with

constant conflict yeah and so you don't weed out the people you act actually actively recruit people i remember driving down sunset boulevard talking about the great great uh pay that you could get being a los angeles police officer because nobody wanted to be a cop in L.A. They're fucking advertising. Like, hey, why don't you work at Chipotle? Hey, why don't you be a cop and get shot at? It's fucking crazy. It's in the same line as working at the farmer's market.

You can also be a police officer. And look, there are great cops, man. There are great cops. There's great people out there. Of course. But it's a hard job, and it there's look there are great cops man. They're great cops. There's great people out there, but course It's a hard job, and it is not for everybody. It's a hard job It's not for everybody and they just need to do a better job of training and weeding out Yeah, really really need to do and they need to make it they need to make their officers accountable and not be afraid

To like us you know so-and-so's blah blah blah blah it's like oh no That's a snitch or whatever, or we're going to fucking demote you or we're going to put you on traffic duty or whatever. It's like that shit needs to stop. It's like take your job seriously, man. And it's existed across the board. It's been there forever.

Did you ever see the documentary The 7-5? No. It's a documentary about corrupt cops in New York. Yeah. It's fucking amazing. It's amazing. The guy who was the head guy in the seven five that we had on the podcast mike doubt yeah mike doubt mike doubt who's a great guy who's a real piece of shit back in the day right but owns it right and talks about it i

mean he was driving a corvette and selling drugs and helping but I mean yeah shit that you wouldn't believe it was in a movie and it was all real and the the film documents all of it it is madness I mean top to bottom beginning to end madness well you watch the documentary watch at the end you're fucking sweating and you're like holy shit like these guys were living like this selling coke robbing drug dealers coming out of there with bags of cash fucking sweating and you're like, holy shit. Like these guys were living like this. Selling coke, robbing drug dealers, coming out of there with bags of cash. Like crazy. Oh, my God.

I mean, yes. I know, cops. I know. I know. And I talked to my friend Scotty. Scotty Reitz, or back in the day, he was just like saying like, yeah, I was in SWAT in the 70s in L.A. And we were part of the first league of SWAT. And it's like the shit that people would do that he would see in the department all the time and what they had to deal with.

And then there were all like those purges that happened throughout the years. You know, once in a while there would be this corruption thing and then they would just have to fucking like go. Well, how about the Rampart unit? Right. Didn't they disband that? Oh, what was the Rampart unit that that was the people that they suspected someone from the rampart unit of killing biggie they think that yeah yeah there was a crazy rolling stone article about that someone paid him off they said they suggested

it was suge knight that was involved oh my god yes crazy yeah well you know police department needs to police itself. The ultimate police corruption documentary is Cocaine Cowboys. Have you seen that? Oh, I've heard of that, yeah. Oh my goodness. Cocaine Cowboys and Cocaine Cowboys 2 are probably in my top 10 of all-time favorite documentaries. And I've had Billy Corbin, the director of it, on the podcast several times.

He also made Screwball, that recent documentary on A-Rod. It's all about steroids. Oh, I didn't know that. It's genius because he used little kids to play A-Rod and all the other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the movie as a recreation. Oh, my gosh. He used little kids.

It's a genius movie. Oh, my gosh. Screwball. Yeah, it's a genius movie. Billy's a brilliant, brilliant guy. He's one of those rare, really intelligent, proud Floridians. I got you. A really intelligent guy who loves Miami.

He's a paradox. Rare breed. That's a very rare breed. Very rare breed. But Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2 are so goddamn good and so crazy. There was one year in the 80s that the entire graduating class from the police academy was either

murdered or went to jail for corruption. The entire graduating class. They were all on the take. Everyone was selling and doing coke. Man. It is a fucking amazing documentary.

That's so insane to me. Of course. I mean, of course. Of course. Of course. I mean, there was so much coke and so much money coming in, and they were just all on the take. Everybody was on the take.

And everybody was committing crimes and helping people commit crimes and hiding millions of dollars in holes in the ground in their backyard. They think to this day, there's a bunch of dead people that died with millions and millions of dollars in their backyard just buried in holes in the ground in their backyard. They think to this day there's a bunch of dead people that died with millions and millions of dollars in their backyard just buried in holes. Oh, my Lord. What a crazy. Oh, my God. Any others?

Yeah. Well, there were so many banks in Miami, too. That's the other thing. Like, why are there so many banks here? Because they're all fucking funneling cocaine money. There's more. There were more. At least at the time, there were more banks per capita in Miami than any other city in the country.

Because they were all just funneling cocaine money and laundering it. My gosh. I mean, come on. Yeah. I mean, it's that absolute power thing, right? Yep. Yep. Yeah.

I mean, again, it comes back to the same thing. First of all, the oversight. You can't really oversee that many people correctly. You literally have to be like a one-on-one oversight to police officer, follow them everywhere. That's how deeply embedded the corruption was. And I think, again, look, I was a security guard for one year when I was 19 years old. Oh, wow. I worked at Great Woods in Mansfield, Massachusetts.

It's like a concert center. Yeah. And all these guys from my Taekwondo team got jobs working security there. So that's how I got the job. They were like, hey, you want to work? It's easy. Just come out there. And I'm like, what do you have to do?

Most of it is stopping people from bringing in booze and keeping people from doing certain shit. First day I got there, there was a dude named Alley Cat. Alley Cat was the head security guy. He ran the joint. And they caught this kid, this drunk kid, stealing a golf cart because everyone would drive around the concert area in golf carts. Security guys would.

So this drunk kid stole this golf cart. They tackled him, and I watched him beat the fuck out of this dude with a walkie-talkie like beat this dude in the head with a walkie talk this is my first day on the job so I was like well what did I get myself into because it seems like we're gonna be beating people up and within a couple of weeks of this job we had all developed this us versus them mentality. It was very strange. It's like it was us versus them. It was like we were cops.

Yeah. And it was, like, I saw guys who I knew that were, like, really nice guys, like, being really shitty to patrons, to these people that came to see these concerts, because, you know know they had just sort of developed this attitude and uh i wound up quitting because of a neil young concert there was a neil young concert and uh fires broke out these uh because you know neil young fans are all dirtbags sorry folks but uh at the time at the time in the 1980ss in Boston, there was like, there's a lot of fucking druggies

and people that were into Neil Young that were like into getting fucked up, man. And so these guys had started fires on the lawn area. So the way Great Woods is, Great Woods is an amphitheater. So there's an enclosed area and then there's a back area that's the cheap seats. It's a lawn. And the lawn area,

these dudes just started fires because it was probably getting cold out. Yeah. And they shut the concert down. So they had to clear out the concert. It was madness and chaos. And then brawl started happening.

People started fighting. And then I Knew that I was probably going to come to a situation like I'm a very survival first type of dude So I brought a hoodie with me and I knew that when the shit goes down I would throw this hoodie over my fucking security outfit. Yeah, I'm out of here Yeah, and I just quit on the job never got my last paycheck. I just fucking I just zipped up for you, man Bailed I'm like i'm not getting in any fights and no one's stabbing me no one's hitting me i'm getting the fuck out of here yeah

and i drove home that night and i'm like well that was an experience i did a few months as a fake cop and i i did but i but you understand i remember very clearly that even i was developing i was mad at people for not listening to me. Like I would say, Hey man, I told you park your fucking car on the other side of the line. Like that kind of, I'm like,

why am I talking to this guy like this? Yeah. It becomes, obviously I was 19. I was a moron, but there's a thing that happens when you have the power and you have control. And there's a bunch of other guys with you, you know, so I have this team of goons that were with me.

Right. And then, and then there's these people that don't want to Listen you know and I'm like hey I fucking told you to pick that up and put it over there, and then you realize like oh We we're the cops. We're the bad guys or we're the you know yeah, right in control party poopers That's a thing that happens when you have control, and that's a very very very very very minor control I mean they could have told me to fuck off and I wouldn't probably would have done anything. Yes. I didn't have a gun

I didn't have a weapon. Yeah, I never beat anybody up there. There was no real thing right? But there was an attitude in this attitude. I remember thinking while this is going on like oh, this is what happens and Then imagine this times a hundred and you can imagine what a cop weapons happens and then imagine this times a hundred and you can imagine what a cop with weapons but we had clearly because there had been you know you're dealing with drunks and you're sober there's many times where there was assholes and we had clearly a divided line between them and us right yes that's that's the danger man yeah that's so hard and it's hard when it's in a complex situation like urban environments you know where you're like there's city streets tall buildings compact areas tiny

tiny streets winding or whatever you know it's different than being like a cop in like from my hometown great falls like you're just cruising around a cruiser and you can see pretty clearly in every direction and it's laid out like a grid this call comes in someone stole a chicken yeah and you're just like oh well better go check us probably it's probably all hank swenson if i'm not mistaken that chicken stealing son of a gun oh god you know or it's a meth you know some meth kid that's like standing in the middle of traffic or something like that or something like that but uh it's just totally different rules and not only that but everything is so oh it's so it's so hard to like feel like you can

communicate with police officers like there's never a time when i get pulled over and i know police officers but i get pulled over i'm just immediately terrified and also because i'm a black man so like my immediate thing is like okay so um keep the hands on on my wheel the windows are rolled down all the way uh my my license is already i'm not reaching for anything when they're approaching i'm like thinking about all of that stuff while that's happening, which, which sucks because I'm sure some officers, if they knew that that's the way I felt, they would hate that. Yeah.

Cause for them, they're like, I'm just stopping you because this or, or whatever. I don't want to be that person. I know that for those officers that feel that way, it's going to be tough, but they're, they really need to like, they need to be the ones that are the majority, or at least that are made known to be the majority. And then from the cop's perspective, anyone you pull over could be the guy that shoots you. Of course. Anyone you pull over could be some guy who's out on a warrant and you don't know if you're ever going to see your family again. Also, I think there's a giant percentage of them that are dealing with just crippling

PTSD. Yeah, there's definitely PTSD. And there's also a lack of communication to civilians to be able to also pre-de-escalate, you know, because so many videos that I watch, those dash cam footages of people saying like, you know, a cop coming up to the window and saying license and registration. And then their immediate thing is, what are you pulling me over for and then the cop is like can i just have your license and registration and then they keep doing that whether they have the legal right which i believe that you actually do have the legal right to ask

for why you're being pulled over why take the risk yeah um you know the cop just wants to get the information and do their job and whether they can do that or not. If you have it on camera, you've got on camera, their conduct is on there anyways. Right. So, you know, and then what I tell everybody, it's like, just survive. That's, that's, that's, that's what you need to do. And that goes for anybody, whether you're white, black woman, whatever. It's like in general, like the attitude is like survive this, make the officer feel safe and survive it. You're not going to arbitrate it in that moment.

Yeah. Be polite. Be respectful. Yeah. Get it over with. And you still could run into the wrong cop. Oh, you can still run into the wrong cop. There's no doubt about it.

No doubt about it. But it's hard, you know, but you have to hold the line. It's harder when everything's against you and when everyone's expecting you to do the wrong thing. Well, one thing that's a positive trend, and this is not something that you know, it's not something that people really even want to discuss after someone gets murdered by the cops. There's been a distinct drop in people being killed by cops since 2015, particularly in black men being killed by cops. There is a drop i think i think it's one of those things where whenever something like this happens that's a catalyst for change it's almost like we need look first of all how ironic is it that colin kaepernick takes all that shit for kneeling

at the super bowl i know and this fucking guy kneels on this guy's neck and proves the point kills the guy by doing the very thing that colin kaepernick was criticized for going down on one knee and doing it to a black guy and killing him yeah kind of fucking crazy it's because it's symbolic it's sort of symbolic about like look this is what they were talking about this is the thing it's right here in front of your face now you see it now you get it yep i know yeah i mean somebody should just sign him okay we fucked up come on back oh i know please play please come back yeah come play i mean it's it's tough man when you to protect your bottom line.

You know, it's like when there's a corporation involved, it's tough for people to speak out. They didn't want anybody being the guy who gets attention from protesting. They're like, this is a bad precedent to set. I don't know anything about football, so I don't know what his skill level was, whether or not he would. I mean, those guys get pushed in and out anyway. level was whether or not he would i mean those guys get pushed in and out anyway like the number of years that a guy can play the average number of years that a guy can play professionally in the nfl i think it's like two yeah two or three years yeah it's crazy because it's so brutal yeah just and you know fresh young hungry guys are coming up out of college every fucking day

yep yeah but it's like you know and then sport it's the same thing only with Facebook and Zuckerberg and his like you know his continued position of like well we've got a balanced it's like it all it just comes off like the reaction to Kaepernick or Facebook's reluctance to do anything or even like Facebook's reluctance to do anything about what well Zuckerberg you know is basically saying, we're not here to edit anything. And I'm not saying that I'm for editing, but it's okay if you're in charge of a company,

you're the face of the company. So what you do is a reflection of what you believe in, right? So in his particular case, he must actually believe this, but he just believes that to say nothing, to do nothing about the things that are posted, which is, which, you know, you can argue in court all day. Does it incite violence or is it just someone being free expressing their free speech or, you know, whatever the deal is. but if someone's consistently hitting a certain angle and the response is pretty palpable, um, and fairly measurable, and yet you choose to just allow it to be what it is because, you know, people will figure it out. They'll educate themselves, that type of a thing.

You have to take some kind of a position from a humanitarian point of view. And I think that I'm very disappointed in, in social media in general, because general, because they're trying to protect their bottom line. And that's really what it comes off as. It doesn't come off as like, well, I want to protect free speech. If it, it to me comes across more like we need to protect our bottom line, because if we, if we start editing something, then it's going to be a huge landslide. Everyone's going to be like, Oh, well, screw this. Screw these guys for stifling free speech and all of that stuff.

When in actuality, the only reason why you would make decisions like that are really just to protect the bottom line. I don't really understand any other – because, I mean, even Apple takes a position. Like Tim Cook will issue a letter that's then able to be circulated and you can read the letter and like, oh, OK, that's interesting. They don't believe in this and they don't believe in this as a company. Zuckerberg is more like, well, I believe in in whatever the greater bland generalization is for my operating system. Well, first of all, if we want to talk the difference between Apple and Facebook, these differences are gigantic. Apple is a technology company. They're not a social media platform. The difference between the responsibility of a technology company and

the responsibility of a social media platform is enormous. It's enormous. The consequences are enormous. Sure. Apple makes phones and computers and they have an app store and they take down bad apps and things that they find that are spying on people and the like, but they don't really have the same dilemmas that someone like Facebook has. When you talk about the importance of free speech, when as soon as you decide, okay, this person can't talk, but this person can, what you're essentially saying is my viewpoint is better than the viewpoint of the person that I disagree with. Now, if you have very specific things, like

you can't dox people, you can't threaten people, you can't say anything racist or sexist or homophobic or once you establish those parameters you know if you decide that this is how you're going to operate if this is your company there's a real good argument that you should be allowed to do that because it's your company but then when it gets when the company gets big enough where it's like facebook or twitter then you get a real argument like wow the best argument for bad speech the best antidote is more speech it's better speech so someone says something that's wrong there's a real education value in being being able to correct that and having other people correct it. Like just eliminating it in some ways strengthens the resolve of the people that hold that marginalized idea, whether it's racism or sexism or whatever.

When you just eliminate it, then they go off and it tends to strengthen their resolve. Sure. You know what I mean? off and it tends to strengthen their, their resolve. Sure. You know what I mean? Sure. And then particularly when it comes to things like right wing issues or left wing issues, if you're, if you're running a, there's no right wing social media site that's as popular

as the left wing ones, but if there was, and they just decided we're not going to tolerate any trans stuff, we're not going to, if you start talking about how a man who has a sex change is now a woman, we're going to tell you to go fuck yourself. That's not real. We're not going to tolerate abortion. You want to talk about abortion rights, you're killing babies. Get the fuck off our platform. That's the kind of shit that right-wing zealots would do to people that hold left-wing ideology.

But conversely, you do see that from people who are left-wing zealots who are angry about people who have right-wing ideas and maybe even not so right-wing. I'm sorry if you've heard this before. I use this example all the time if you're listening. Megan Murphy, who is what you would call a trans-exclusionary radical feminist. They call her a TERF. And what that means is she's a person that's a feminist that doesn't believe that you can just change your sex And then you could have these arguments and deal with women's issues like a trans person she believes is different than a woman and a feminist and There was some sort of a debate

She was having online where she with someone on twitter and she said but a man is never a woman and so they told her she has to take that down and so she on what on twitter okay so she takes it down and then she makes a screenshot of it and post that and so they ban her for life for life for saying a man is never a woman look it's one thing if you're shitting on someone and you're you're mad at someone you're saying a man is never a woman. Look, it's one thing if you're shitting on someone and you're mad at someone, you're saying a man is never a woman. But if you want to just talk biology, a man is never a woman.

So if you're a person who is a left-wing progressive zealot and you don't want anybody that's not adhering or complying at all to the ideology of progressive people, you ban someone like that. And so I don't, you know what I'm saying? This is the problem with censorship. It's like, where do you draw the line? My opinion in that case is you let that woman say that

and you let people correct her and you let people correct the people that correct her and you get a lively debate where people get to discuss whether or not they are different things. And I think there's a real valid intellectual argument in that. There's a valid social argument in that. But this is the problem with censorship.

Well, you know, and my thing is like I'm not exactly I'm not saying I'm not saying to censor. I'm just saying weighing in on the conversation. So how do you do that? Well, you take responsibility for it It's like it's but what specifically are we talking about? Well, I'm just saying like for instance if I look at my comments So they say I post something on Twitter and there's all these comments or whatever like like a lot of my friends who have Twitter accounts, they may They may read the comment and be like, oh that guy's an asshole or whatever and never say anything

And there's just like all of these, you know comments that are some of just troll people just trying to get comment and be like, oh, that guy's an asshole or whatever and never say anything. And there's just like all of these comments that are some of those just troll people just trying to get reactions and stuff like that. All that, all that. I like to personally engage all of that shit. And I like to come at them with a conversation. And the thing that ends up happening with something like Facebook is because it's,

I'm just, I guess I'm biased because I don't think very much of Zuckerberg at all. And he's just kind of a little bit of a thief, or a lot a bit of a thief. He's a thief and he's not an innovator in any way. He's running a company. But- When you say a thief-

Well, because he stole the ideas. You know, I have some people that were going to school with him around that time period, and he just basically stole the initial code for Facebook, which was generated by a few different people, and just kind of made off with it. It's like how many companies are formed. It's like someone had an idea. There's no way for them to protect the idea because someone capitalized on the idea. How come those people can't sue him? I don't know. I don't know.

I think it's because it's arbitrary. I think it's like where that came from, where the original code came from and so forth is arbitrary. So they must be furious. I know that they're furious, you know, and I know that they're furious. And I know some other people from startups that also addressed it. No, of course, he's not going to address it. I mean, he may, maybe, maybe he did. I don't know. I'm not an expert on it. All I know is that in the beginning there was that, and then in parallel, as it was growing and as they were making decisions, I would hear from people that are in his orbit that would

kind of describe his decision-making process processes and so forth. And I don't get a sense that he understands his social responsibility or his responsibility to the identity of the company seems very far removed. And his actions kind of dictate that. It's like a little bit laissez faire in a sense that going back to my comments, I'm commenting on those things because I'm letting, I'm letting people comment, but I'm engaging in a conversation with them in hopes that we can talk about stuff.

Are you open to anybody being able to comment back to you and say whatever they want? Yes, of course. Yeah. But do you know the, what is the explanation that YouTube did for this? But this is the problem with banning comments or deleting comments. It gets – that stuff can get co-opted. And there was a situation recently where YouTube was caught deleting comments that were critical of the Chinese Communist Party. And what they said was that it was a software glitch.

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, that's them protecting their bottom line. A hundred percent, right? Yeah. That's what I would imagine. But I saw that. I said, okay, that's what I'm talking about. Like that kind of shit.

Like once someone comes in and says, hey, we would really like it if you remove those things that talk about, you know, some of the mean stuff that we do over here. Yeah. And we're willing to do business with you, but we want you to put filters up. Yes. So they said it was a software glitch. I don't know how that software glitch just magically works out in favor of the Chinese communist party.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, that's, that's my problem. I mean, I don't have, I'm not saying get rid of stuff. I'm just saying be more accountable as the face of a company. So what would you like him to do differently? Well, I know you don't like them, but so is it just Facebook or do you have this problem with YouTube? Do you have this problem with Twitter? I mean, here's my problem. Whenever you, whenever power is consolidated, um, and,

uh, there's, there are always going to be problems cause there's, cause there's going to be all these different ways that people wish that it were, and it's not working for them in this way and so forth. My thing is the future is distributed. It's a distributed network, distributed social networks. I have my own app, WhatsApp that I created. Oh, what's that? Um, it's just an app. Um, it's a, yeah, WhatsApp. It's only on iOS, but you can look for it. Um, it just has, it has exclusive content. I created a bunch of like interviews with Jack White and and Leslie Feist and Fred Armisen are on there in this stupid series I called droneversations that shot entirely on drones and you can't really hear the conversation because the drones are too loud. Really? Yeah, it's really stupid. But yeah, check out whatsapp It's out there, but it's got live streaming. I have a store that I sell all my old electronics on.

But I have other artists that are interested in making an app, but apps are notoriously cost prohibitive. They're so expensive. I mean, it took over 100,000 to create an app, right? So I managed to get my app made for a really, really cheap price. A brilliant guy named Oliver Thomas Klein a single-handedly the whole app. It was amazing. And his aesthetic is awesome. But my thing was if I can create a template and keep getting the price down to make an app, and they're just using the template that I created for other artists and other bands, uh, then we can have a distributed network of apps that can

intercommunicate with one another without the need of Facebook, Instagram, any of these social media platforms. And that way, when a fan comes to visit my site, they know it's my shit. It's not being tracked. No one's getting tracked. There's no social, for my app, there's no social component to it.

People can't comment on anything. There's just content to observe, events to behold, and electronics and headphones to be bought. And that's it. it people can't comment on anything there's just content to observe events to behold and electronics and headphones to be bought and that's it so when you go there it feels like a safe space and so if there's an interconnected network of distributed apps which essentially are just kind of interactive websites i guess that's what an app is ultimately now you've got something that's distributed fans can kind of trust that it's a safe space. It's not owned by Facebook.

It's not owned by any of these corporations. So for me, it's about power consolidation. It's never going to be what you want it to be. It'll be convenient and it'll be ever present. Like Google, for whatever reason, Google, I have a better opinion of than Facebook. And mainly, I will say, also the other big factor with Facebook to me is the aesthetics are a piece of shit. It's a confusing, terribly designed piece of shit.

It also encourages verbose dialogue. You could write as long as you want. People have these fucking long ramblings. Oh, edit, people. Edit. I know. fucking long ramblings. Oh, edit people. Edit. I know. I know. I haven't even seen a Facebook.

I haven't done Facebook in like nine years and eight years, nine years. And whenever I even get a, get a glimpse of it, my anxiety shoots through to the roof because the design is so terrible. It is such a shittily designed website. It's filled with ads. It's terrible. And I'll say the only good thing about Facebook is Oculus. Oh, and they It is such a shittily designed website. It's filled with ads. It's terrible.

And I'll say the only good thing about Facebook is Oculus. Oh. And they didn't come up with that shit. They just bought it. Instagram was cool. It's kind of still holding it down a little bit. They own it, though, right? But they didn't create it.

What have they done to it? They haven't done anything different, have they? Oh, yeah. They made ads. Now there's ads everywhere. Oh, that's true. Now they're tracking everything. The timeline is not chronological.

It's algorithmical. That's weird. That's really weird. So they're basically tweaking. It used to be chronological, right? It used to be chronological, which it should always be chronological. But they fucked with it. Isn't that an option, though, where you could view it chronologically?

I don't think so. No. I can't find a way to change it. Everyone, everyone argues about it. It's, it's just terrible design, but that's all we got,

right? We got Twitter, we got Instagram, and then we've got some tick tock, which is owned by a Chinese company, which is like, I don't want government. Won't let you put that on your phone.

Oh yeah. Military. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's owned by a chinese company which i have no problem with chinese people but the chinese government oh yeah i mean super creepy yeah well um there's this guy that i follow um let me find his uh thing on youtube

he's uh an internet privacy guy yeah and i've gotten really deep into this lately let me find out i've got a bunch of subscriptions here. I have to figure out what my fucking subscriptions are. But he's- Yeah, too many. I have way too many. I have too many. This internet privacy guy, he sells these things on his website that are de-Google phones.

Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Goddamn. Where do you find your subscriptions on your app? What the fuck is it? Oh, there it is. Your channel, your membership, your data settings. Where's my fucking subscriptions, you piece of shit?

Oh, here we go. If you put in subscriptions as a general search, it's under your ID. Oh, okay. Yeah. Hold on a second. Subscriptions. Guys, here's all my subscriptions and my passcodes. So, here we go.

Where is this fucking? No, I put it in there it didn't show me where are you finding it oh um yeah if you if you do um it's under apple id oh under apple yeah you know someday like is that um it's uh settings yeah so right here at the very top with your like little image. Just click on that okay? Hmm and then subscriptions are right the fourth after payment and shipping, okay? Anyway this guy has he's a huge proponent of Online privacy and so he sells all of these. Here it is. Apple ID, subscription. He sells all of...

Well, this is... No. That's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the YouTube stuff that I subscribe to. Oh. Oh, the YouTube app. Sorry, I didn't know

where you're at. Utoobi, as the Brazilians would say. Utoobi. Where do you find it? Just at the bottom now. They've changed it. So would say. YouTube. Where do you find it? At the bottom now they've changed it so hit library.

Okay. And then there you can hit or if you just hit the subscriptions button actually you should be able to but that's going to be categorical by like most recent uploads.

But I see on library I don't see I see my videos. Well then just hit the subscriptions button. Downloads. Where is it? The bottom. The bottom. Right in the middle. Unless your app isn't updated or something like that. I don't see I see my videos well then just hit the subscriptions downloads oh yeah the bottom

right in the middle unless your app isn't updated or something like that they keep moving it right but that's just showing me videos

it's not showing me channels yeah that's the way to start at the top then you can search for the channels that you're subscribed

through yeah so it's a feed yeah see right here there should be just right at the bottom it just says subscriptions yeah I got that.

Oh, you got that. Yeah, but it's not showing me the channels. Oh, yeah. Okay, here we go. There you go. Okay, I got it. Boy, this is fucking clunky. Man, it's not your fault.

Whenever that shit happens, it's bad design. Oh, I subscribed to too many. This could be a long, boring, boring thing. But just see if you can find Internet Privacy Guide. I don't know if that's... No, that's one of them. That's a phone. But the Fairphone is, I think that's an umbilical cord.

Fairphone? Yeah, that's one of those Linux phones. What is this? Yeah, Fairphone 3 Review. Yeah. Yeah, Fairphone is its own channel. Yeah, Fairphone is its own channel. Yeah, but that's not it. Rob Braxman, that's it.

Rob Braxman Tech. It's this gentleman who's very much into privacy. He's so into privacy, I want to look at his fucking history. I'm like, what are you hiding from? But he's got a website, and on his website, he actually sells de-Googled Android phones. Wow. I don't know if I said that very well. De-Googled Android phones.

So he takes these 2019, and I think that's the most recent you can buy, like a Motorola Android phone, and they take all the Google out of it. And so Google's no longer tracking you. You don't have to log in with Google. His website's whatthezuck.net. Oh, nice. Stick it to the Zuck. I think that's one of his websites.

But that's not his main website. I thought it was his. No, no. That is his website, but that's not his main website. He's got a website though He's got like a Like if you have a Support me on Patreon, contact me

VPN I figured that was his only website there That's it? No He's got a website where he sells stuff Oh, okay And Braxman dot something or another. But he sells, he's got like a...

F-droid. He's got a VPN Wi-Fi hub. Yeah. So that even when people use your Wi-Fi, it all goes through a VPN. Oh, I love that. Yeah. I love that.

Find his website, though. See, that's... Just Google Rob Braxman website. That's totally... Yeah, the future. It's like the future is distributed. Rob Braxman Tech. It's encrypted.

Yeah, that's it. Brax.me. That's him. Yeah, see? So he sells a bunch... Look, it shows your IP address at the top. How creepy is that? Oh, shit.

He's letting you know. Oh, I want to see that. Hey, you fucks. What's the website again? Brax.me. Brax.me. Yeah, he's at oh shit letting you know oh i want to see that hey you fucks what's the what's the website again brax.me brax.me yeah he's there's a see if you can yeah that's that's privacy focused social media yeah so he's got a bunch of different stuff that he sells but if he also has a store and if you go to the store yeah because I use a VPN for my iPhone we're not going to find it while we're doing this

something's wrong I don't know what happened wrong something has changed something's wrong he's just talking about all the different ways in these videos that he makes on YouTube all the different ways that you're being tracked through your fingerprints through your face ID through every Google search all your location

data and you know there's this recent thing that came up where google is being sued in arizona because they turned location uh services on even when you have it off oh whoa so even when you turn location services off with google it's still searching your location it's still reporting that data back to Google. So there's a lawsuit right now about that. Yeah. That's, that's the problem, man.

I mean, it's like, uh, you know, I, I have this a little bit of that dumb attitude, but it is an attitude where I'm like, well,

I'm going to do everything I can to protect myself. You know, I run VPN on my phone. I've got a Winston VPN, whatever thing, my browser, you know, to help protect and stuff.

I'll do as much as I can without getting overly geeky and then like paranoid about everything. Because ultimately if they want to track where I'm at, like they're just going to track where I'm at and whatever. I don't know what it is. But if I can do things like, oh, I'll create my own app, now I'll take it into my own hands. And I can do as much as I,

where if I know hackers and programmers and coders, we can actually just start creating our own version of the internet. Right. But if you want to use Instagram or you want to use Facebook, you're getting tracked. Oh no, for sure. No,

you're going to use those things, but you know, but you already know. But if you're working with like programmers and hackers, they know how you're being tracked. So the way that you use your, you know, like every ad that i get i always market is junk what is this jamie that's what you're talking about so it's a product that's been around since i think that says 2011 is when it was found called geofedia yeah where they tap into all social media and

mix it with google data and then sell it to whoever would like to buy it to use it for the least. It's capitalism gone crazy. Well, I mean, I guess there's so much value in knowing. Once Facebook started getting insanely rich just off of data, there's so much value in knowing what you're up to, knowing where you're going, knowing what you're buying, knowing what you're seeing. Of course.

How many times have you been talking about something and then you have ads on your phone every time guaranteed every time creepy that I'm never gonna stop being creeped out by that oh it's every time like I'm you know I remember talking to my mom it was just recently in Montana was talking my mom and I mentioned a thing maybe two or three times and we have a Google whatever home thing, you know, in the house. And I went downstairs and went to Amazon. And Amazon suggested the product. They're in bed with Google.

Yeah, of course. And there's like, you know, and so my thing is like I'll use whatever. I'm not going to be so paranoid that it's going to bum me out and ruin my life. But I am going to work with people that are really smart and engineers and so forth. And I'm just going to create my own version of the things that I use all the time with my platform. Essentially, you could do the same thing if you create your own app, right? And not go the Chris D'Elia route, which, you know, God bless him. All the subscription, all the junky stuff.

It's like, what is he doing on his app? It's like, it's a subscription based app. Um, and I was thinking about like doing something like, Oh, charging for the app. I don't even think he uses that anymore. And I don't think he does, but it still exists. I think I found that and I text him like, Hey, what the fuck is this? Like a couple of years ago. What did he say?

I don't even do that anymore. Oh yeah. It's just floating around out there. It is floating out, but it's still making money. Is it? Oh, yeah, because you can still subscribe. But he doesn't have anything on anymore? I mean, I just, it was like maybe, I don't know, half a year ago I checked it.

It was still active. Huh. And then I deleted it. But I just think like when you're subscribed, my thing is the future is distributed also, I believe, in a direct economy. And the direct economy is like, oh, you've got something. I'm going to buy it from you. And that's excluding like if you're using an Internet like safety, you know, payment system or whatever, like PayPal or whatever, that they're going to take a small percentage of it.

I don't really care necessarily about that. I definitely understand the engineering behind it. But just like if there's something that you want to sell, then sell it directly. Subscription is a weird thing. I mean, subscription to me is cool. If Instagram and Facebook went to a subscription model, um, so that I didn't have to see any of the fucking ads and that I was guaranteed that my tracking was being limited. Like YouTube has YouTube bread. So I have YouTube premium, right? I never see an ad. I can't stand ads. If I see an ad, I'm going to murder somebody. I agree with you.

That would be a really smart move for them because I think they'd probably generate additional revenue that way. And goodwill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very good point. Yeah, Instagram. Pay attention, you fucks. Yeah, fuck faces.

Yeah, because very rarely, very rarely do they suggest something to me that i'm interested in no or they'd suggest stuff that you already have sometimes so many times i'm like oh there's that thing i already bought every now and then though every now and then there's one of them a little sponsor i know i know kind of a good product well you know what i'll do is i go to brave a private browser you know so i'll go to brave ah yeah and i'll use brave and then i'll look up the product there i use duck duck go to oh i use duck duck go to this one yeah the search engine sucks on it it's not as good but it you know whatever but they're not looking in your underwear that's absolutely 100 checking under your fingernails it's tough man it's tough being a modern human it is but it's almost inevitable i mean

i feel like we have to accept this new reality yes that you know privacy is one day going to be a thing of the past and not just in terms of like what you browse and but i think what you think you know one of the things that elon said to me in the last conversation i had that really creeped me out is like you're going to be able to talk without words because he's talking about neural link oh yeah the neural link you'll be able to talk without i'm not going gonna be able to talk without words because he's talking about neural link oh yeah the neural link you know talk without i'm not gonna be able to talk when i have conversations without words oh god damn it what are you gonna do that leads to the hive mind we're gonna have hive mind well here here's here's the thing my condensation or the or the condensing of uh technology in general it's we are fascinated with creating the things that we already do,

that we already do inherently. Right. So that idea of like being able to talk without words, it's like that happens all the time anyway. So you ever go on a dance floor and watch people like dancing and like someone's like communicating and they're just body language. They know what's going on. Or you're about to call your friend and suddenly your friend calls.

That's why we communicating without words, like on the dance floor is a perfect example of like one of them Porsches where the ass end goes out. You're out of control of it. There's some communication in there too. Like this guy doesn't know how to control his body. Yes, exactly. Yeah. It's like, oh, I'm going to stay away from that person. Stay away.

Stay away. This person is losing control. Fucking dance over here. He can't dance. And then, you know, but then there's, you know, there might be like a compassionate choreographer who'd be like, here, I'll teach you how to dance. I will make an example of you, you know. Those women aren't real.

You don't think that there's like, there's benevolent choreographers that'll help you? They steal your liver. Those girls, they drug you and steal your liver. You wake up in a tub filled with ice. I love that that's a stereotype. If that actually was a stereotype for choreographers. I don't trust choreographers. One minute they're teaching you a bunch of routines,

and then the next you're in a bathtub with no liver. Yeah, you're making out with some Eastern Bloc chick, and all of a sudden you fall asleep and you wake up and there's a deep pain on the right side of your body. Like, what the fuck? Oh, no. Big chunk of your liver's missing.

No. That's not the future I want to live in. Aye, aye, aye, yikes. I'm shooting for the high ground, man. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. I don't know. I have great faith for the human race.

I really do. I mean, i think this is a terrible blip in our our civilization and yeah i think we've had terrible blips in the past and we've gotten over them the problem right now is we're our foundation is really being tested because we've had multiple blips in a row yes big heavy ones yep and you know big stress test man big Big ones. And unless we have a period of peace where we can digest these and recover, we're deteriorating. We just, like, keep taking these hits. Like an old boxer just keeps getting knocked out. Like, whoa. Yep. Like.

Yep. And brain damage. Yep. And tissue damage. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, you remember, you know, like, what'm hoping for is a, you know, another age of enlightenment. You know, like Spain had one, you know, there've been every every most large cultural epicenters have had these moments where things kind of came into balance after some great turmoil. And we were able to just put on cruise control for a little while.

Yeah. And like explore more in-depth, nuanced things about who we are. But those things existed before social media. That's true. I think the only way we're going to be able to pull that off today is with mushrooms. We're going to need something that lets people know, oh, this reality that you're in is a very bland, two-dimensional projection of the reality that you can experience with our little fungus friends. Yes.

Just a little bit of an escape from this tired realm into a land of infinite possibility of love and understanding and connectedness and a dissolving of the ego and the likes of which you've never experienced before. And if we could all do that, if that could be legal. Look, marijuana has radically changed the culture of California, radically changed the culture of Denver, radically changed the culture of everywhere where it's been legalized. That's true. And it's changed the way people communicate with each other.

It's changed their ideas about law enforcement because we're no longer worried about jackbooted thugs knocking down our door because we like to smoke a plant that makes us happy that's not a concern anymore yeah that's a fundamental shift in just how we are as a human race and that's us it's a mild psychedelic psychedelics they come in very you know if marijuana is a gateway to anything it's a gateway to the real psychedelics. It's a gateway to mushrooms. It's a gateway to DMT. It's a gateway to mescaline. Ayahuasca.

Yeah, all those really fucking profound world dissolving ones. It's a gateway to those things. And I really think that we need something like that at this time. think that we need something like that at this time we we need we need rituals some sort of psychedelic rituals and and best processed by real legitimate professionals yes and real like established centers where people actually know what they're doing we could help people get past this this bump in our evolutionary travels yeah and all the trauma you got to deal with the trauma we can't we can't you know we we try to run away from it most of the time and we try to feel good about stuff and, uh, and you just need to take it on, understand it and then transform it. Yeah.

Transform it into a part of yourself that makes you stronger. And, and psychedelics really, they're just like a reminder. It's a reminder of how we are, you know, because when children are born and their eyes are flinting everywhere and they're trying to absorb as much as they can about the world, they don't care about color. They don't care about any of the shit that we have problems with. All that stuff is learned. That initial state is essentially what happens with psychedelics. We go back to the interconnectedness of consciousness and however you want to define that. But the experience of it is very interconnected. back to the interconnectedness of consciousness and however you want to define that but the experience of it is very interconnected and uh it's a reminder that oh yeah we're part we're

natural organisms we're part of this planet this planet is a part of a solar system the solar system is a part of blah blah blah and you also realize that your life experiences and your memories and even your personality is basically like a tiny pop-up tent that you've set up in the wilderness of real consciousness yeah you're like i got my little i got my little stove here i'm gonna cook my tea and i got it all under control and then you unzip that tent and you go out into the fucking wilderness of of psychedelic consciousness you realize oh my god i've been living in a tent yeah i've been living in this little baby pup tent. This has been my reality.

And the more insecure people are, the more they want to define what is allowed and not allowed inside that tent. Exactly. A hundred percent. It's like, you know, I mean, and guaranteed I've had arguments with people. I mean, I remember there was like a skinhead on a bus once when we had a conversation together and he was still an active skinhead. We were sitting across from each other.

But we kind of like he commented on something I was wearing or something like that. And we started talking for a second. We were talking about mutual things. And then he got he got up to get off the bus and he just kind of looked at me and just kind of and he just kind of shrugged and walked off. And I was like, that's interesting. Basically, a neo-Nazi guy was on a bus. And for whatever reason, we connected on this one thing. And it reminded me of the cartoon with the sheepdog and the.

Yeah. Morning, Ralph. Morning, Ralph. It's like that's how sometimes I like to view stuff. I'm like, OK, so you're going to play the role of the person who's the fascist. I'm going to play the role of the person who's, you know, afraid and hiding in the shadows. OK, and go and seen and action. is a way if you're if you're smart you're intuitive and you're emotionally intelligent enough you can always find your way to that person's core and you can share a value if you can share one value you can make it you can learn something even if it's a brief moment just for a second an interconnected moment with another person who shares none of your values at all

do you know who daryl davis is no daryl davis a guy, he's a brilliant guy. I've had him on my podcast before. He is a blues musician who has personally converted more than 200 KKK and Nazi members and got them to leave. And he did this. He got them to leave these hate groups. And he did this because he met a guy at a gig. He was doing a gig. And he met this guy.

And the guy was like, you play, you know, you're a really good musician. And they get to talking and he sits down with the guy and the guy says to him while he's talking to him, well, I never had a drink with a black guy before. He thought the guy was joking. He's like, come on, man. And he's like, no, I really haven't.

And he goes, you haven't? And he goes, no, I'm in the KKK. And he's like, what? The guy pulls out his fucking KKK ID. What? Yeah. So Daryl gives this guy his number and says, hey, I'm going to be in town again. You know, when I'm in town again, let's have a drink.

Let's talk. So they become friends. So they start talking. A few months after they become friends, the guy hands him his grand wizard outfit and says, I'm quitting. He says, obviously I was wrong. I had this idea that black people were in fear. First of all, Daryl is extremely intelligent, very articulate, and a brilliant musician. And just the way he talks, it's very clear that he's smarter than you. Like, he's a smart guy.

So if you're a dumb dude who's in the KKK and you're talking to this guy who you've, in your group, you've determined this is an inferior guy. But he's obviously smarter than you. So like, what the fuck? And he's a really nice guy. Yeah, he's a nice guy. And so they become friends. They start eating dinner together.

He has them over for meals and just quits. Says, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not going to be a racist anymore. Hands him his outfit. So Daryl brought all these outfits with him. He showed me this Nazi flag this guy gave him and he's got all these different Grand Dragon and Grand

Wizard and all these different outfits. Him personally, his one-on-one interactions has converted more than 200 people. It's amazing. The podcast, please, if you have the time, please find it, Daryl Davis. Daryl Davis.

The podcast with me and him. It's three hours long of him just telling these stories about meeting these Nazis and meeting these KKK guys and converting them. That's amazing. And not something he set out to do. This is what's really crazy. As a grown man, just a musician. It And not something he set out to do. This is what's really crazy. As a grown man, just a musician.

It just happened. Not set out to do. Yeah, well, you know, it goes down to my new catchphrase is love is efficient. It is. You know what I mean? It does work. It just works because once you're just like, you're not noticing the stuff and you're just casually talking, you're shooting the shit with somebody and you're like, oh yeah, it's

cool. Oh, I love, you're shooting the shit with somebody and you're like, Oh yeah, it's cool. Oh, I love, you know, and then before you know it, they're just like, Oh, what, what am I?

What? It's just, everything crosses. You're like, but this shouldn't be, but I, but I was scared of, but I thought,

you know, it's like the first time you meet, like, like the first time I saw, uh, like, uh, like a queen, you know,

uh, like a drag off, you know? And I was like, they're so tall and so, so boisterous, so know. And I was like, they're so tall and so boisterous, so big. And I was like, I'll never be able to, you know, be able to energetically mingle with someone like that and come to understanding. And then I've had some of the most incredible conversations

with so many people of all different kinds of walks of life that I thought I didn't hate them or anything. I just thought Yeah, they're so different like why would we have in common and I just realized that I just love pretty much everybody You know, I can find common ground I can almost anybody can find common ground with as long as they're open and they're willing to find common ground with you Yes, of course. Yeah, and and it's awesome and a lot of it is just like being confident enough in yourself that you're like, whatever they're doing, whatever they're projecting at me, I understand it's them projecting at me.

Or brave enough to explore with them. Yes. Brave enough to talk with them about those things. Yeah, absolutely. That's what people need. Find that fucking common ground in this day and age. And that's one of the things with gigantic numbers of human beings these the population that we're experiencing yeah i mean hundreds of millions of people in this country it's hard for us to just realize the value in each individual each unique

individual you know 100 100 i mean it's funny when i had my car dropped off in montana like i didn't really you know everyone kind of keeps themselves in Montana that's kind of a conservative you know place especially Great Falls but car came out of the car trailer and my across the street neighbors came out the other neighbors when I was a kid I don't know if it's the same family I think it's the same family but they were like they would call me racist shit all the time and my mom would like get up in their face and be like, I'm going to kill you if you touch my kid and stuff like that. They're still there. Oh, they're still there. Yeah. I mean, they've, they've changed. I think they've moved on, but they've changed. And you know, and I had some early when we first moved there problems with my dad, like sitting on the porch, smoking a cigarette, some people going like, what's that guy doing out there? You know, whatever. And then my mom's white and they're confused. But, um,

but all of these neighbors came out and people came down from the street, you know, and they're just like, oh, what's going on? They're like looking at the car and they're like, oh, hey, can I grab a picture and stuff like that? And the thing that I noticed, it's like that was the first time all my neighbors were like together on the street and for this moment. And then I kind of realized, well, when you have a platform where people recognize what you do and, Oh, by the way, congratulations on Spotify. That's fucking rad. When I saw that,

I was like, good for them to celebrate that. That's great. But like when you have a platform and you could be any way you wanted to be to anybody coming up to you, if they recognize you from your platform. But if you, if you are open and inclusive

and taking the time to spend with people it does so much for a community like most people solve those boundaries completely and they're like well i thought i was expecting you to be kind of blah blah or i was expecting you to be this and you're like i'm not any of those things let's all just have a good time man and let's support local businesses or whatever you know whatever your mantra is but uh and in great falls it's great i can go places and most of the time people are just total sweethearts and they generally say thanks a lot for not forgetting about where you came from that's dope that's huge we just did three hours dude oh shit 37 let's get out of here isn't that crazy let's get the fuck out of here reggie watts ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, brother. Yee-yee.

Bye, everybody. Peace.