The Joe Rogan Experience - #1486 - Honey Honey

Episode Date: June 5, 2020

Honey Honey is a band, featuring members Suzanne Santo and Ben Jaffe, from Los Angeles, CA.

What if we like wrote you a new theme song? What if we just like start pitching theme songs? You could do that. Really? Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Ben.

We're rolling. We're actually, we're rolling right now. Yeah. Honey, how did the band get back together? Because it literally, the band is back together. Like, you know that expression you say with your friends, bro, the band's back together. Yeah. We haven't even said that shit yet.

Yeah. The band's back together. Bam. The band's back together. I said bam. Oh, fuck. The band's back together. the band's back i said bam oh the band's saying bam i know i just i'd rather say like titties you know something i'm a bam okay yeah so bands back together started via covid ah we were we're kind of mad at each other is

what binds us yeah we were a little mad at each other. Viruses keep you together. I got really worried about Ben. The person I live with thought we maybe did have COVID at a time. It turns out he tested negative, but he had acute laryngitis at the same time. So we're just like, oh, shit. See, all those other diseases don't

take a break. Like, oh, COVID's got this. No, didn't he have bronchitis? No, he had acute laryngitis. Well, either way, I was like like real mad at you at the time and i was like i really love ben and i'd be really bummed if i didn't if there weren't a ben and i and then we started talking hanging out sometimes that's all it takes you know we all get set in our ways you get these grudges and these stupid things you stick in your head. The best shit is camaraderie. Friendship and love.

That's the best shit. It's like whatever you kind of do. And most people want that. If you ever felt that for someone at one point in time, you probably would feel it again. Whatever shit you have together, you just got to talk it out. Talk it out and don't carry grudges. Carrying grudges is the worst.

Well, we needed to step back for a minute. Yeah. Sometimes we all do, right? We had some work to do on ourselves. We took two years, really, where we didn't speak much. And when we did, it wasn't good. By the way, shout out to Balls of Steel from the old Rogan board. Balls of Steel! Brought us all together.

Oh, my God. Lives in infamy. That's an inside story, huh? God, how long? It's been a while now. He's still never revealed himself. What if it was us the whole time?

Whoever that dude is. It was us the whole time. Well, you were right. You had to be talented. The video he sent was you guys doing Angel of Death acoustic on the roof of a building

in LA. So crazy. That building is right now on fire. Probably. Jesus Christ. Rightfully so. Oh my God. God damn so. Oh, my God.

God damn it. Yeah. When we were practicing last night, there was an earthquake. Oh, Jesus. And I was just like watching like my living room kind of. And I looked at Ben and I was like, fuck. No. What?

Yeah. Well, it's like laryngitis doesn't stop. The earthquake doesn't stop. It's like God saying, bam. Just a little one. Shake it up. Bam. Or titties.

See, that's why I don't say bam. Could have been saying titties. He could have been saying a lot of things. He's God. He invented all languages and all things. Yeah. All the bad words. God invented those too.

God invented racial slurs, so we have to work it out. Oh, God. He left us with the word. He invented all the, it's, I really, we need to find a good one for white people. We really need to balance this out. A good, juicy sliver. It's not a solid one. It's not.

It's Karen's. Karen is one. What's the white one? Brock? Chad? Brock? Chad's. Bradley's?

I think it's Chad's. I think Bradley feels... Sure. Yeah. A lot of poor Bradleys out there. But there's a lot of good Bradleys. What's that Bradley the actor? Bradley Cooper? That guy's badass. He's a poor Bradleys out there. But there's a lot of good Bradleys. Like, what's that Bradley the actor? Bradley Cooper?

That guy's badass. He's a really good actor. Super great. So he can't be a Bradley. But there's a lot of cool Chads. Yeah, Brad Pitt. Sorry. There's a lot.

Chad Ward. Chad Dawson. There's a lot of great boxers named Chad. Yeah. Shit. Yeah. Can't even go with Chad. I don't know.

Jamie, what do you got? Turn it around. Jamie can't say shit. He's got a girl's name. What's he going to do? Hey. What's he going to do? There's nothing wrong with that, Jamie.

Just open it. Calm it down. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with having a girl's name. I've had to deal with that my whole life. Bro, I'm sure you did. I had kids saying that when I was little. Listen, you know I love you, Jamie.

Don't spell it that way, Joe. You know I love you. I mean, you could be a Kim. What's a different way with girls? Is J-A-M-I with no E? Most of them spell it with an I before the M. That's my name's Jamie with no E. He's a Y.

Oh, no. We're going to piss off a lot of people. Stacey's a rude one to name a boy. Stacey's tough. That's rude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Leslie's kind of tough. Leslie's rude.

On the edge, for sure. You hate your kid. It's like a boy named Sue. It's a Johnny Cash song. Johnny Cash wrote a goddamn song about it. Michelle Sturgeon wrote that. Oh, that's right. That's right.

And Johnny Cash sung it. That is a great fucking song. Truth. That's a great fucking song. I like boy names for girls. I think that always, like Bobby or Billy. If they're hot, they can pull it off. Yeah, yeah.

Gary. I wanted to name a girl named Gary. If I ever procreated. Would you do that to that poor little kid? Yeah, but she'd be like wanted to name a girl named Gary. If I ever procreated. Would you do that to that poor little kid? Yeah, but she'd be like the fucking coolest Gary on the planet. That's one thing she would probably get over are people fucking with her real early in life. You know what I mean?

Because sometimes if you don't know... That's not how the Boy Named Sue song went, though. No. If that's the cautionary tale, then it didn't work out. But who knows what Gary's going to be dealing with in 15 years. Shit's going to be crazy. Shit's going to be crazy. I think she's going to be crushing it.

People will be beyond that. I am not ready to have children, so. Well, then don't have kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool, cool, cool. One thing that the kid zealots like to do is they like to pretend that everybody needs to have kids. In order to be valuable in this life, everybody needs to have kids in order to be valuable in this life you need to have kids that's a lot of fucking pressure on people

is that a thing sure it's you know what it is when someone's doing something they think you should be doing it right like you talk to someone who just started meditating and they can't that's me i can never shut the fuck up about what i like doing yeah i'm always trying to get people to do things yeah you know but that's the thing with people with kids. Dude, you gotta have a fucking kid. You gotta have a fucking kid. Trust me. Where's your wife? What are you doing? You're not gonna have children? You're not gonna procreate. Your name's not gonna carry on. Settle down, man.

That's never resonated with me, like a legacy of like, I don't know. Because you don't have a penis. No, but like as, you know, but even with my career, like I just won't play music. I don't really think about what's going to last when I'm dead. There's nothing wrong. You're a great person.

There's nothing wrong with any way of approaching this life. Have children. Don't have children. Sing music. Don't sing music. You can do whatever the fuck you want. You're a great person. And I do.

Thank you. I appreciate that, friend. Listen, friend. But this thing that people put pressure on folks that they have to have kids or their life is not valid and meaningful. Probably because they're having trouble dealing with the pressure of having kids, maybe. Maybe, but it's all silly because you don't live forever. No one, your children won't live forever. No one lives forever.

You live, you die. You got to keep moving. While you're alive, you should just be happy. Just be happy. You're contributing. Everyone's contributing, whether you have kids or don't have kids. When you don't have kids, you have the option to love and support the kids in your peripheral area. Sure.

Like my nieces and nephew and stuff and my friend's kids. And then you can go home and you don't have to deal with the other shit. Yep. Sure. Sure. So, you know. Selfish. But then for me, it was a strong education education in humanity

and just learning how to be a person a different kind of person a person that raises little people person that's responsible for for babies it's a totally different feel it's like whoo it fucks with your head you know it just it for a lot of people creates a ton of anxiety and right existential angst and fear about the future. Well, the thing is, if I were to have kids, I would like being a mother would be like the number one priority. Like nothing comes before then. And, you know, I would I would take that seriously. And it's just something that, you know, when you think about and I'm like, like, now's the time.

How old are you now? Am I allowed to ask a lady? Yeah, yeah, I'm 35. Oh, you can still pull it off for a few years. I don't age shame, you know? I'm really happy with where I'm at. I think that's so funny when people get really squeamish about that. Like, okay. They feel like they only have a certain amount of time to grab that lightning in the bottle and be validated.

And, you know, some people just think that gotta it's gonna burn out quick and then life is gonna suck right you know somebody age shamed me once and was like you're almost 40 and i was like what's wrong with 40 was this online no that sounds like a youtube comment unfortunately that was in real life someone said that yeah a guy you know yeah let's oh rude how weak but i mean again why would someone do that they're trying to make you feel bad because they don't feel good that's what it is it's always the case it's no one who feels great is on top of the world dalai lama's out there not out there leaving shitty youtube comments what if he was though i just was secretly like did you ever see the video he got i don't know if you know this but he got canceled for a little while

no what did he do yeah the dalai lama got canceled for a little while. No. What did he do? Yeah, the Dalai Lama got canceled. Yes, yes, yes. I bet he dealt with it fine. He did this, and he was actually talking about this exact same subject. He did this interview where they said, you know, you're celibate and have you ever thought about being married or having children? He goes, oh, I've seen a lot of marriages much worry much cancer and he goes plus when they break up

a woman get all the money he's like joking around and the lady's like what the fuck this is the Dalai Lama oh no and then she goes she actually tries to social justice her way out of it cause you know she's out she gotta confront him she goes actually

sometimes the woman makes her own money oh and he's like oh good one like he just like oh and sometimes oh no and so they just put him in time out for a minute people were saying like should we cancel the dalai lama it was really funny it was really funny he's like you can cancel i see people he goes then i see him like a couple years later, new person, new girlfriend. Much worry, much cancer. Still holding that line. Pussy talks about how women want to spend all the guy's money. I'm like, this is hilarious.

But has he had a girlfriend? No. He maybe doesn't know about that stuff as much. That's guesswork. You should tell him. It's straight guesswork. Yeah. I don't think that's part of the job.

What I've heard. Yeah, he doesn't know. That life is a strange life. You know, they picked him when he was a baby. He was like a little kid. Right. He was a little kid. They picked him and they said, you're the fucking man, bro.

Imagine that. Was he seven? When the last one dies. He was really young. I think he was seven. When the last one dies, they pick a new one. They have a slate of little babies. They're like, could be you, could be you, could be you.

How is that monitored? They just have a vibe. It's like a council of... Is there a hat? And you put a bunch of names in it? Or is it like a... I'm not there. I haven't seen it done. Is it required that he's celibate? Is that part of the gig? Imagine that.

That's so rude. Can't you come to me in my 50s? Why do you want to come to me as a holy man when I'm seven? You don't have the choice yet. You cut off the sex at seven? Okay, sorry. I misinterpreted.

I'm saying they're not allowed to ever have sex. I didn't think so. When you said it, I was like, is this something I don't know? Cut off the sex is really a rude way to put it. Dummy. Sorry. Because it's not like they ever put it on.

I mean, there was... No, it was already there. He's a baby. Yeah. That's all I meant. Yes. It's already attached. Yeah.

Wow. Now I'm thinking about the Dalai Lama's penis. What year did they pick the Dalai Lama? Never thought that would happen. No, I didn't either. First time. We share a birthday. I think I should tell you all.

You and the Dalai Lama? That is crazy. That's the truth. That's crazy. You might be spiritual. July 6th, time. We share a birthday. I think I should tell you all. You and the Dalai Lama? That is crazy. That's the truth. That's crazy. You might be spiritual. Those people are hilarious. 1984? 85?

I share a birthday with the Dalai Lama. We're pretty much the same, Joe. Also, a conscious stream. There's a consciousness stream. You know what I watched last night that I haven't seen? Really? I don't think I ever saw it through. It was Zoolander.

Oh, it's so good. Hilarious. It's so good. So ridiculous. Hilarious. It's so good. So ridiculous. Who am I? It's so ridiculous. What a great idea to have a super vapid, beautiful man. Oh, it's so good.

In one of those really slapsticky, silly comedies. There's so much truth to it, though. That's the sad part. I enjoyed the shit out of it. There's a, yeah. You knew male models when you were doing male modeling. I did. You were doing male modeling?

You were doing male modeling, right? Did that come out wrong for me? Back in my formative years when I was a male model, news grenade, things have changed. No, I did. I did, yeah. There's, I mean, it's kind of like, I've got to choose my words carefully here. There's a thing. I think modeling in general is a very odd thing. I was a model from 14 to, like, 18.

It's kind of like the Dalai Lama. They just chose you. No. Wait. I went for it. Okay. And my mom, like, took me to this agency. And I was, like, making money when I was, you know, I was just, like, working every other week for like value city department stores anyone where my Clevelanders at and uh eventually like kept

getting you know uh I never saw it as like the end all be all I I wanted the bridge to something else as I figured out like where my area of entertainment was I was an actor for a while um but you know if that's all you got and you're just sort of like paid to look beautiful, like there's something really fucked up about that. Like it's not a healthy mindset. And I saw lots of eating disorders and all kinds of really sad shit that like, you know, people's identities are wrapped up in this. And I remember I gained a little weight when I was 18 because I went on birth control and

I was in the middle of my agency and they were measuring me in front of people. And they were like, you got to lose two inches. And it's a fucking hard thing. And I just quit. I started bartending. I didn't want it that badly. And I like pizza. That's such a weird thing to say.

I know. It's really fucked up. That's so specific. Yeah. Like what? What if I lose two and a half? Would you get worried? Well, you need to fit the clothes, you know?

I think, I mean, I don't, I'm not. It's like fighters though, right? Yeah. Well, no. I mean, no, no, no. I didn't mean to compare. But actually I kind of like it. Exactly.

In every way. They're used to hearing that kind of thing. When I was training as a model. All right, all right. Rescinded. But no, it is a thing where you're both relying on your body entirely for your living. There's a skill involved, though. And for women, I would imagine women already worry about being marginalized for their brain

anyway. So then it's almost like some of them feel like they have to prove themselves extra because they happen to be pretty and they're a model and people just assume they're a moron. Right. That's an issue too. Yeah. It's an issue. I mean, yeah.

I don't know. But there's also people who figure it out. There's girls who do it and then they do other shit. Yeah. It can be done. Hey, it's me, Suze. There you go. Yeah.

But it's like when people, that's why I get kind of annoyed when people will talk about any job being inherently toxic. But okay, a lot of jobs have the potential for toxicity, everything, including like, you know, fucking everything. All of them, all jobs could fuck you up. All jobs could distort your perception. I mean, how about being a cop? You know, that could fucking distort your perception. How about being a doctor, emergency room doctor?

Every day, bullet wounds, stab wounds, car accidents, dealing with that every day. That shit's gotta be bad for you. That kid can't be good for your head. 100%. Oh, the model's worried about losing two inches. She gonna be okay?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, like, I'm okay. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna get my violin out over this. But, you know, the doctor's not 14 years old. That's a difference. Oh, you're only super hot

and I'm super duper hot? Jesus. How do you do it? I was definitely lower level. For sure. I was like catalog. I knew what I was. It's all kind of crazy, right? You just get this amazing roll of the dice

with your bone structure and then everybody's like, here's some money. What do I have to do for this? You don't have to do anything. You gotta dance like a monkey well you gotta be smart with it you gotta know what it is know that there's a there's an expiration date on it what are you gonna do with the money you make what are you gonna do with any of the you know like that's how i started acting and i i loved it you know it's kind of crazy though if you really stop and think about it like that that is like the biggest lottery in life for a lot of folks is how do you look? You know?

Yeah. Like if you're Jason Momoa, it's amazing that he's a good guy. It's amazing that he's a good guy. Yeah. Because he's too beautiful. Yeah. He's too good looking.

You know he was sitting next to us at the Sturgill concert. Oh yeah, yeah. He was right over there. He was on one side and then Johnny Bernthal, the Punisher, was on the other

and it was like one of the best days of my life. Ha ha. Well, it was cool. I enjoyed that very much. I don't get to see concerts like that. It was so great. And to go and see it with you, that was really fun. We had fun.

We had dinner together. Where was the show? The show was at the Troubadour. The Troubadour. Dude, it was awesome. And it was the Fire and Fury, this new shit that he's doing yeah but he's also doing a lot of stuff from his old his old catalog too so it was just it was awesome and it was real intimate like what is that 400 people or something we sold it out once we know it was like one of the greatest moments of honey honey and it's also

one of the great venues in la it's a double de-decker, but it's still intimate. It's really rare in the way it's set up. I mean, it's set up amazing. Like, where we were was incredible. Like, up above in that little balcony area next to the Punisher. A lot of intensity. We talked about this. I think I told you this, but when we went to dinner afterwards, John Prine was right in front of us. And I really, really wanted to tell him how much I loved his music.

And I chickened out. Yeah, I remember we were talking about it. I didn't know who he was. That was the first time I ever heard of him. Yeah. Saw. And then when I heard he died from COVID, I was like, oh, that's that dude. From Dan Tannis.

You know, he's worth checking out and really digging into who he was. Sergio loved him. Yeah, he's magical. He had a beautiful songwriter. Beautiful. Can you remember a specific famous song that people would recognize? Angel from Montgomery. What's that one?

You want to do it? Can you do it? I'll mess it up. So what? Ben! God damn it! Can you pull up the lyrics? No, we can do it.

Listen, one of the best music shows I've ever seen in my life Is when you guys were on stage With Gary Clark And you were singing Midnight Rider Careful you might have to Pay the Allman Brothers right now

Isn't that crazy? We had That shit got pulled off The podcast We have to pay the Allman Brothers Or whoever owns it Yeah when that happens More than three times

They can't see your Fucking account Yeah Okay this might be sloppy. Oh, look at that, Susan. Oh, there you go. Oh, my God. Is that good?

Is this key? What's that? Do the Bonnie Raitt key. I don't know what key she does it in, but we'll just find it. Yeah, okay. All right. Yeah, forgive her. We're finding the key.

It might be weird. Does that make you feel good? People are fine with this. Don't worry about this. They love the weirdness. Like, people love seeing how musicians put together a song. Hold on. Here we go.

Like, you're just talking. Do it higher. And then you jump into an awesome song. Ben, it always puts the pressure on. Oh, there's no pressure. That's what Joe's saying. But in the best way. It's good for you.

I know. My heart is racing. Have a sip of that whiskey. Explain this whiskey again, Ben. That whiskey, Uncle Nearest, this guy named Nathan Green, was at least, to my knowledge, the first recognized master distiller who was an African-American, taught Jack Daniels how to do his thing. Wow.

Freed slave after the Civil War. And this is the whiskey you brought in. And that's the whiskey. Thank you very much. It says 1856. That's it. Okay. Did you get that?

I wasn't listening. Got it? Yeah. Okay, is that that key? Who was singing that version of it? Bonnie Raitt. Bonnie Raitt's Beast. Yeah. That lady.

Yeah. I am an old woman Named after my mother My old man is another Child that's grown old If dreams were thunder And lightning was desire This old house would have burned down A long time ago

Make me an angel That flies from Montgomery Make me an angel that flies from Montgomery. Make me a poster of an old rodeo. Just give me one thing that I can hold on to. To believe in this living is just a hard way to go Right? Job prime, come on. Wow. We'll have to work that out in a fuller version.

Whatever, you sound great. There's more to it. Do you want to keep going? Well, you want to play Big Man? Let's keep playing. Okay, keep playing. This is so good, though. Okay, all right. I love Big Man, too, though. I want to hear big man let's keep okay keep playing this is so good though okay all right i love big man too though i want to hear that next all right

when i was a young girl and i had me a cowboy he wasn't much to look at just a free rambling man Oh, my country. Made me a poster of an old rodeo. Just give me one thing that I can hold on to. To believe in this living is just a hard way to go Can I tag it? To believe in this living Is a hard way to go That was beautiful.

That was really beautiful. You get the living room jam. You guys should 100% cover that song. 100%. I think you just did it. You did. But guys should 100% cover that song. 100%. I think you just did it. You did. But you should put that on something. That was awesome.

We got to do it for Joe. Don't do it for me. Do it for the world. King of Spotify, we will do it for you. I'm not even the prince. You're not even the prince. You're the king. I'm the court jester.

Oh, whatever. Humble man. You want to do big man? Since we're like here. Yeah, let's do it. I might need to tune up though because it's chilly in here. Is it chilly in here? Do you want to?

No, no, no. From the fiddle point. It's not bad. Let me tune it. And this isn't live. No. Right. Okay.

But we're not editing it. Okay, okay, okay. Well, shit. Isn't that crazy that you know how, whether it's warm or cold, based on the strings, based on you running that thing across. What is that thing called? The wand. It's a wand. That's so much better than what it's called.

What is it called? It's called a wand. It's a bow. It's called a bow. Is it really? Yeah, it's a bow. Oh, of course. It's made out of horse hair.

It's made out of horse hair? I'm going to call it a wand now. Yeah, a wand sounds better, right? What's that music wand you got? Because I've always wanted to be a wizard. You kind of are. I was watching this one thing on TikTok where they had this girl who was a witch, and they said, you know, we want to know, like, have you actively cursed the police officers?

And have you cursed the looters? And she was going, oh yeah, we've already done that. We've already put hexes on all of that. So we're good, right? There's active witches out there. On the road to peace. I mean, well, I have comments on that. Comments on witches?

No, more intentions of what a spell is and the way that people orchestrate that. It's kind of powerful. It's like prayer in a way. There's something to it. Yeah, but it gets weird. Well, we all want people to like us. And all someone has to do is not like you ferociously, and that can make you upset. I'm not talking about negative spells.

I'm talking about... But I'm just saying that's the beginning of it, right? Yeah. Now, if someone has a lot of intention and they put intention on you, like having a terrible life or you getting diseases and you hear about that, it probably fucks with your head. I mean, that's what voodoo is probably all about. For sure. And for all intents and purposes, I think there are ramifications if that is the trajectory.

If you're really putting bad vibes into something, it's going to come back in a really shitty way. But they only do it because their life sucks. I think people that do shit like that, they do it because their life sucks. Let's hope their lives get better. Let's do that. Let's give them the tools. This is for them. Actually, no.

This is for... We're going to play Big Man? Yeah. Yeah, we want to do this this is for them no no that's got another idea

I agree no we yeah we want to dedicate this to George Floyd because you know his nickname was Big Floyd

or Big right yeah I didn't obviously didn't know well not all the lyrics line up but it does

it's an homage to a great man who who passed originally and it just feels apropos. To do it now. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

Can you face me a little bit? Grazie. Oh, how they cried when the big man died They spilled buckets out of their eyes Plain white faces and playing gray stones He took that white cocaine up his nose Sing for that big man, baby Down by the river in the railroad tracks Baby ain't happy that he's gone

But that won't bring him back to life now. When he went down, there was a trembling pool. And they came far and wide to the funeral. When the people showed up they were broken will They drank all day and they popped pills

Sing for that big man baby Down by the river in the railroad trying to baby ain't happy that he's gone That won't bring him back to life Bones buried young Bones buried young, bones buried deep Bones that won't shake now laid to sleep

And he looks down, oh he looks up He was a good man, that was enough Sing for that big man baby Down by the river in the railroad tracks Baby ain't happy that he's gone That won't bring him back to life now Sing for that big man baby Down by the river in the railroad tracks

Baby ain't happy that he's gone And I won't bring him back to life now That was tough. That was so good. We got through it. All this stuff that's been going on lately. Yeah. You know, it's nervous coming on. Dedicating it to George Floyd.

I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah. Yeah. It's obviously intense time. I think ultimately society needed this. They didn't need that guy to die, but they needed this event to snap out of whatever bullshit relationship, particularly the black community has with police and the videos that have come out since of police officers doing shit while this is all going on during this.

Like, it's like they have a, they have a pattern. Some of these cops, they can't break out of it. They're, they're used to treating people like shit. They're used to violently assaulting people. Yes. The directive. There's so much of it. There's so much crazy shit of guys using batons on women just standing there

The girls just stand there and he's using the baton on the front of her thighs and throws her onto the ground I'm like fucking come on man How are you doing this? Because someone won't comply like the position of being a person that gets that that has that kind of power over people where people have To comply to you. It's just psychologically fraught with peril. Whether it's black people, there's a lot of it doing with white people. There's a horrible video on my friend Joe Schilling's page,

Joe Schilling the kickboxer. He's got a page on his Instagram. He's been putting post after post is police brutality shit. Post after post. It's like, is this to serve or protect? And this is this old man. And the guy has a cane.

And the cops are slamming into him with their shield. And he goes flying and falls and hits his head on a bike rack. It's fucking horrible. It's horrible. I mean, that has been going on. It's been going on in the black community. Clearly, we have a shitload of evidence. It's been going on with all kinds of people

yeah it's it's an overall problem there's a racism component to it yeah but the problem is police brutality yeah i was reading about um so 40 of police officers have sleep disorders uh and ptsd so they're just constantly 40 of police officers have sleep disorders and admit to error on the job, i.e. falling asleep in their cruisers, violent acts, anger issues. And, you know, a lot of, I was, I'm trying to understand as much as possible because it's so fucking sensitive. Well, I mean, they need to apply the same rehabilitative mindset to the police force as people are calling for in communities of color as well.

Obviously, it has to be a joint effort. Yes, 100%. Look, they have to do something. And something has to be done to psychologically address what the real consequences of seeing violence and murder and horrible, horrible things every day. Yeah, yeah. Every day. There's got to be, there's a cycle, there's a price you're paying if that's what you're doing with your life.

Like you open the door, a guy killed himself with a shotgun. Oh, Jesus. Just brain splatter all over the wall. Open the door, there's a girl who was raped and stabbed. Oh, Jesus Christ. Open the door, there's someone who just overdosed from fentanyl. They're 18 years old. That's what you're seeing all day long.

You're just always like fucking... And the solution isn't to just pay them more. Like, oh, here, here's hazard pay. Well, my friend Dakota Meyer, Dakota Meyer is a guy who served overseas and had some horrific instances where he literally had to fight a man to the death and kill him with a rock. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah. Heavy shit.

He talked about it on the podcast. I was like, fuck. You know, he's fighting for his life with this guy because they were in war. The guy was the enemy, and he had to kill a bunch of guys that day and save his friend. It's a crazy story that's best told by him. But anyway, point is, he was talking about this shot that they're doing on soldiers with PTSD. It's some kind of a blocker shot. You remember that shot, Jamie?

I could text him if we have to, but they give it to soldiers and people with PTSD and whatever that anxiety is, all that fucking pent-up shit that you just can't be normal, it goes away. And it can last for as long as a year. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy shit. shit is the shot it's called there's gotta be some weird it's administered by health care professionals into the neck of an individual screens suffering from ptsd the treatment is not a cure for ptsd um he was talking about how amazing it was he was saying it gate well see right there that second article there

said something about prolonged relief for the debilitating symptoms. It's not a cure, however, it's highly effective, well-tolerated, fast acting, inexpensive biologic technique that provides prolonged relief from the debilitating symptoms of PTSD.

Did they just start doing that? Is that a brand new thing? Yeah, I think it's pretty recent. But I also think that your brain, when it encounters a lot of things that are awful, I think it really alters the chemistry of your brain. I think it really alters your ability to make good decisions. You can make a real rational case that they're almost intoxicated. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. They're almost intoxicated. Yeah. 100%.

They're running on adrenaline. Right. When you see these cops, did you see when they were clearing out the square for Trump to have his Bible photo op? You've got cops slamming into people. How do they get that ramped up that they're doing that? Could you ever do that? Would you just walk right up to someone and slam them with a shield?

Of course you wouldn't. You have to get... These guys are terrified too, obviously. The cops are terrified for sure. But you have to get to a point where you can do that, right? Something has to happen. Well, that's a biologic drug that your body's producing. And these guys are junkies. They're adrenaline junkies.

I mean, literally, like I told you about the therapy I just did. This is like what I've been trying to like weed out of my life is my insomnia and get my brain levels and my, you know, I've just been running on adrenaline. And now that I'm like leveling out, it's so weird to live. I can function better. I can process my stress in a way that I never could for over a decade. And, you know, the reason I was reading about the Saraset, I think they did this study, I'll send it to you at some point, and we could probably post it. But, you know, the

conditions that police officers are under physically, like from night shifts, just to stress to what you said, opening the door and seeing all these just horrifying things, and not having the therapeutic elements and rehabilitation. And then you factor in racism, or just discrimination. Like, I mean, it is, it's a lethal combination. And then you factor in racism or just discrimination. Like, I mean, it's a lethal combination. And it's so crazy to just see it like we are every day now. It's just all out in the open. And now it's like, what do we do to help these people, like, get to the point, the place that they're supposed to be, which is protecting us?

Well, you've got a clean house. Yeah. You've got a clean house. Yeah. You've got a clean house. You've got to go in there and you've got to get rid of anyone who exhibits any sort of behavior like that in any way, in any abusive. You can't have any abuse because you have an extraordinary ability to control people. You're not allowed. A normal person is not allowed to treat people like that. So for you to be able to do that, you have to show that you're an unusual person.

You're a powerful person. You can control it. You can be a good person even under the pressure of conflict, like life or death conflict on a daily basis. That's not a normal person.

And by the way, when these guys are in it 15, 20 years, like how fucking sick are they by 20 years? And how unprepared are they when they've been training for six months?

And boom, done. You're out on the street. How about a day? Well, and they're 18. A lot of cops sign up for law enforcement when they're fucking 18 years old. Crazy. Your brain's not even fully formed. Exactly.

Exactly. Like that in and of itself, you get like a big, strong kid. And I'm primarily speaking about men. I'm sure women could do it too but like it's different and you know their brain's not fully formed and then their life is in your hand or your life is in their hands yeah like what well another thing that came out of this whole covid thing and then with this coming afterwards it's like when when you're dealing with perpetually perpetually crime-ridden neighborhoods like They've had crime in them forever. And a lot of these neighborhoods

are African-American neighborhoods that have had crime, whether it's the south side of Chicago or outside of Baltimore. When you see how the government can spend so much money bailing out corporations that are fucked, but they don't bail out cities that are fucked. Like, you know, hold on. You knew Baltimore was fucked. Like, no one had any questions whether parts of Baltimore were just fucked.

In fact, there was laws. They used to redline. You weren't allowed to buy a house in certain areas if you were an African American. So we know that. Yeah. So how come you bail out corporations as you never bailed out these inner cities? It would have cost a fraction to set up community centers, build much better affordable housing.

Because leadership is too short-sighted for that, and that's like a spiritual deficit. But what's crazy is they all want to pretend that they're pro-American. If you were pro-American, you would want less losers. You would want more people that have an opportunity to get out of bad circumstances. And whatever those bad circumstances are, you'd want to keep people safe. You're always going to run into bad circumstances with people that have drug addictions or people. You're not going to cure all that. That's

a human issue. Humans are crazy. You're not going to stop broken families and all that stuff that's just a part of being a person but you can do a way better job protecting people from crime a way better job of insulating them from drug deals and all that crazy shit well and shielding them or or integrating people in a healthier way into an economic system that addresses their needs you know and but that's what we're so vulnerable from, from a leadership perspective. Yeah. Because of lobbying and because of just like a natural instinct of self-protectionism and like, well, I got to make sure that my family's taken care of first.

The cornerstone speech that Killer Mike encouraged people to read. Did you guys read that? I've seen it. that Killer Mike encouraged people to read. Did you guys read that? I've seen it, yeah. It's really intense, and it was written by, name's escaping me, but like a confederate.

Yeah, okay, the vice president. I was going to say president or vice president of the Confederacy. And for all intents and purposes, the first half of the speech was pretty logical in terms of commerce and how to care for your cities and just economics. And then he just gets down to this part where he talks about African-Americans is like, you know, they're subhuman. Like they're not they're not actual like like it's just so clear cut and dry in his mind that the superior race is white by God. He was quoting the Bible and like like thousands and millions of people

millions of people like followed that ethos and that doesn't just go away you know they're so like in terms of redlining when people want to know why um you know ghettos it's so hard to get out of the ghetto you know like this has been made by design and even further back, just the thought that like, yeah, black people are the slaves. Like they're beneath us. So they need to be in their place. And like, it's just nuts. Like to read this speech,

it was, and to think about how many people were behind it. And that's what we're up against, even though it was three or 400 years ago. Is that what it was? 1600s? 18. Fuck, sorry.

Well, it's weird walking in cool not an 80 being an adult being an adult in 2020 right and not having anything to do with anything that happened in the 1800s but you walk into the wake of of that era into the echo of that era it's not that long ago 150 I don't know. 150 years ago, there was 152 years ago, there were slaves. That's crazy. I know. That's not even two lifetimes. Yeah, that's a blink of an eye. That's a blink of an eye.

It's not that long ago. Yeah. And what's really crazy is, like, we have a thing that we do with Native Americans, right? We kind of acknowledge that our settlers the European settlers the original great whether they're your relatives or not mine aren't mine all came third I'm third generation so my family arrived

in the 20th century but the people that arrived earlier than that like if your family goes all the way back 1600 there's some fucking Native American blood on your hands son yeah it just is if you get well my father was in the railroad business oh shit how did he get that fucking railroad through indian country right you had to kill some people man yeah like yeah so the united states is

kind of acknowledged that they fucked up and they gave the native americans reservations that was the whole idea is like you can have your own laws. You can make casinos. You can do wild shit. You can do it all right here. Okay? We're just going to leave you alone. Yeah. But it's real slippery, right?

But they didn't, you know, that's a false promise. Yeah, they didn't leave them alone. If they started finding, you know, wealth on their lands, then it got even worse. I just finished, I just read this book called Killers of the Flower Moon, which is just a horrifying thing that happened in our history that is not well known with the Osage Native American tribe in Oklahoma. And they were all forced onto this reservation. And it turned out to be millions and millions of dollars rich in oil. of dollars rich in oil. And then all of the members of the tribe were given head rights. And every year, all these white people would come in and they would rent their land, basically,

for oil rigs. And each member of the tribe had millions of dollars. But the government didn't recognize them as full citizens. So they were given stewards to manage their wealth so a lot of them are living in poverty while they're fucking babysitters were robbing them murdering them and the whole book is about this series of murders and also how the FBI was birthed damn the FBI yeah so Hoover used this as his platform because but the sad part is there was like three dudes that went to jail for Hoover used this as his platform because, but the sad part is there was like three dudes that went to jail for killing like 25 people.

One, they weren't given, they weren't put to death because no white jury could kill them for, for killing native Americans. Cause they weren't considered full human. They were like, send me a picture of that. That's crazy.

It's insane. And it's heartbreaking. And it really echoes what's going on now with me a picture of that. That's crazy. It's insane and it's heartbreaking and it really echoes what's going on now with the way that black people are treated. It's like people

didn't give a fuck about Native Americans and then they got rich and then they're like let's fuck them again. You know, let's make sure that we can still

steal from them. It's horrifying. But the thing is there was no justice for their murderers and there were so, it was like a coup. There were just so many people that would come in and marry an Osage tribe member and then murder them just to get their head rights. Oh, my God.

Yeah, it's nuts. Was it mostly chicks murdering dudes? No, it was everything. They poisoned them a lot. Did you think? There was a lot of poisoning. What is this, Jamie? This book was this option into the new Martin's Quest. No shit. What is this, Jamie? This book was just optioned into the new Martin Scorsese.

No shit. What? Holy shit. Suze, you just did that. Wow, Suze. Look what you just did. On the Joe Rogan podcast. Wow.

Apple teaming with Paramount. I think it's an old book. I think it's a pretty old book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not brand new, but yeah. It just turns into a movie. I literally picked it up at my parents' house when I was in quarantine. That's amazing.

Martin Scorsese, De Niro, and DiCaprio. It was that or Lord of the Flies. I'm going to say Bam. Titties. Titties! Wow. That's amazing. Leo strikes again.

Yeah, they're crazy. I really got into a big, long stretch of being fascinated with Native American history from a book somebody recommended to me called Empire of the Summer Moon about the Comanche. And it's really like why Texas is the way Texas is. Texas is the way Texas is mostly because they fought off the fucking Comanches. Because the conflict was the Comanches? Yeah. The people that had to go.

Mexico was so sneaky. Mexico was telling white people to move to Texas. They're like, yeah, my friend, it's a good place. Mexico was so sneaky. Mexico was telling white people to move to Texas. They're like, yeah, my friend, it's a good place. They tricked these people into moving into Texas because it was a buffer between them and the Comanche. The Comanche were the fucking wildest, most ruthless band of Indians and the most successful out of all the West. It took hundreds of years to conquer them. They're the reason why people didn't make it all the way to California sooner.

When they would go through the plains, the Comanches would fuck them up. That book is fascinating. It changed my perspective of what happened in the West. You realize that there was some people that came over here from somewhere in the neighborhood of between 11,000 and 5,000 BC. They made it across the Bering Land Bridge from Asia into America. They were basically the same kind of people that lived in Siberia. And they were Stone Age when they got here. They weren't even on horseback.

And they lived that way for thousands and thousands and thousands of years exactly the same way. And it wasn't until the 1600s they started riding horses. And then they started dominating motherfuckers. It was like this giant shift in who they were. Before they were like really unsuccessful in war. They had no history. They had no songs. They had no stories.

Very little artwork. All they did is like eat rats and squirrels and whatever they could kill and barely scratched by and stayed alive. But they figured out how to ride horses first. They figured out how to control horses better. And they figured out how to steal other people's horses because life was so hard. It was so scratch and claw that they were ruthless. So once they got horses, they were just these wild little scrappy motherfuckers who would run these horses around and kill everybody.

And they figured out how to shoot off horses and the white people didn't know how to do that yet. The white people would get off the horses and go, hmm. Let's line up. Wait, wait, wait, we gotta get up. You stand there and then I'm three. They were shooting like an arrow a second. They were like, bing, bing, bing.

Running on the horses. Fucking these dudes up. And so no one, until they figured out how to make a revolver, until they figured out a way to get a gun that shoots more than once, because those muskets

weren't cutting it. Right. They just kept getting fucked up. That's Texas. When was the revolver birthed? It was all during that time. The Texas Rangers

were the first to incorporate the revolver against the Comanche. The Texas Rangers became the Texas Rangers incorporate the revolver against the Comanche. The Texas Rangers became the Texas Rangers because of this fucking unbelievably ruthless tribe of Indians that dominated the area. So these dudes, instead of being like regular

soldiers, adopted the way of the Comanche. They wore buckskin clothes. They slept without fires. The Texas Rangers. Yes. They were fucking savages. They out-savaged the Comanches. A lot of the FBI agents that were commissioned to find the killers

in the Osage murders, they were ex-Texas Rangers. Plus, it's an amazing Chuck Norris TV show. What the heck? Lonesome Dove? Come on. Do you ever get into Lonesome Dove? No, I've never gotten into Lonesome Dove. Tell us, Ben. Tell us. It's just an incredible book.

I mean, about two retired Texas Rangers, but it's just like a classic Western novel. I actually have it on the audio book. I just haven't gotten around to it.

I will once I've watched all the Texas Rangers with Chuck Norris again. Yeah, you did that first. Wait, do we have any Deadwood fans in the house here? Anybody? Deadwood bothered me

because they swore so much. They swore so much. I'm sorry, what? I was like, that's not real. Oh, no. That's not how they talked back then. It's got a theatrical element. It's a little like Shakespearean in a way, but.

Yeah, but it was. Oh, thank you. Thanks for looking out. It made me. Just checking in. I love you. Thanks. I'm supposed to drink slowly.

You'll be fine. It's just your daddy. You've been drinking a month. Trust me. He's my good friend because we're on the Joe Rogan podcast and I don't want to be

a fucking dickhead listen you're not going to be but don't hinder yourself either well I haven't drank in a month I'm sensitive

you look fine everything's going great oh god everything's fine she's back don't don't worry are you not drinking

on purpose just give yourself a little cleanse no I did my Saraset therapy and this is like my month's up. I can start living again. Nice. But my brain's in a good place.

No life without alcohol. This is good alcohol. Let me tell you, it's been really hard not to drink this month. I'm sure. Let's be quite clear. Well, they say because of coronavirus, alcohol consumption was up. And then because of these riots and all this, I'm sure it's up again, another notch. Oh, yeah.

The looting and the riots and people breaking into people's homes and shit. But, yeah, vulnerable people just slammed every stop of the way. Well, we got to get through this as a race, I think, having a big moment. Like, if we need a correction, we definitely needed a correction. We still do. We need to be, we need to, we need so many corrections, right? We need a correction in terms of our thought on war, our thought on international conflict, the way we treat each other.

We need corrections on all that, but it takes like a big event sometimes. This is it? Yeah. I mean, it's like- Complete restructuring of how we view each other. But you also have to be careful of bad players. There's a lot of bad actors in these things that step in. No, that's the scary part.

They want to take advantage of people, and they want people to comply with their ideology, and they try to push things and say, if you don't go along with this, we know where you stand. We know where you are. You're on the other side. And you get forced into some weird compliance. You've got to be real careful about that because that because again it's sort of the same thing you see with bad cops when people have power over people even if it's just psychic power when people have power over people they abuse it hmm well have the

revolution after revolution look at the French Revolution something like that you know they tear it down in the name of Liberty and then they're just killing people left and right oh it's you know there's a pattern that we can examine but i think it's important to not you know obviously these events are catalyzing but we don't what we need to take from the event is that we don't need an event we have to integrate this stuff well i think we need an event with what like what we had along with accountability and this is the strange thing about the culture we're living in. A 17-year-old girl was there when George Floyd died. Right. So a 17-year-old girl's cell phone camera changed the world.

That's real. So this poor little girl has to deal with, imagine being a 17-year-old black girl watching a man get a knee put on his chest while he's asking, please let me up, please I can't breathe, and you know that guy died, and you filmed it, and your video gets uploaded, and the world just explodes. There are fucking, there's protests in Tokyo, protests in Berlin. People are all over the world protesting. New Zealand, our friend Stylebender was in one. In New Zealand, on the other side of the planet.

People aren't asleep anymore. Not asleep anymore. Well, I mean, some people, yeah. But she had a great response, too. Did you see that? Yeah. People came after her and saying, why didn't you do more in that moment? And she had a really cogent and wonderful response about, you know, just contextualizing it.

Listen, man, people just there's too many people. If you say people say this or people say that, tell you eat your foot you know they'll tell you you have to eat your foot if you want to be on this gang people are crazy with the drinking yes uh you know bleach or whatever people did that in no no no no no no they didn't they didn't two morons drank the wrong form of hydrochloric lean that is actually a pond cleaner it's for fucking koi ponds these dipshits had it in their garage and they're like this is it this is a chloroform did they die one guy died and there's a problem one guy looks great that's not funny they were here's the problem they were uh they were big-time democrats that's

why it doesn't make sense. And one of them was a Democrat candidate contributor, I believe. Make sure that's right. I don't want to get sued. And people were like, wait, you guys are just, you know, you're not supposed to do that. Like, you just think you magically had this stuff laying around? Yeah, how dumb, though. But I wasn't talking about the hydroxychloroquine.

The problem is it's just a random thing where it sounds the same. And it's hydroxychloroquine versus some other kind of chloroquine. You sure there wasn't some agenda here? That just seems like... I'm sorry. I'm getting confused. It could be. I don't want to disrespect the dead slash almost dead.

Right. Yeah. It could be somebody killed somebody. Yeah. There you go. That happens. Lots of weird things happen. I Yeah. There you go. That happens. Lots of weird things happen. I don't know what the truth is anymore.

I have no idea. But why would a person who's like a staunch Democrat listen to anything that Trump has to say about taking a medication? You'd be like, fuck that guy. I don't know nothing about that. Fuck that guy. I'm taking heroin. He's an idiot. Sidebar.

That's much better now. A good friend of ours, per the Trump Bible photo, our friend said, Trump holds the Bible like a guitar player who doesn't know how to play guitar. I said he held it like a dirty diaper. I said it was like a dirty diaper. Like, what do I do with this? Get this fucking thing out of here. It's fucking awful.

But what a stupid fucking... He did that on purpose like he decided to go do this as a press like like some sort of It's what that's the dumbest publicity opportunity ever like you could you literally use Do you know that one of the members of the military stepped down a military advisor? Who's the guy that stepped down there was a guy that stepped down today? No, no different guy stepped down because of that stunt because of that publicity study stepped down because he said that the Abusive use of force that they used to clear out that square so yeah Trump could come in for that photo op He's like I can't be a part of this. Yes. That's what we need. That's what we need videos

We need accountability and that video whether he knows it or not is evidence because look we know there's a fucking protest there with it that they all go away and shut up because you're awesome get the fuck out of here like you did something you did something to people that were peacefully protesting yeah and you didn't care that maybe he doesn't even know there was some shit that i tweeted today too where it's been proven that they used a certain type of tear gas that is you're not supposed to use on people no it, I didn't know that. Find it on my here, I'll pull it up while Jamie's doing that. To me, he's

going to be like a folk legend, Donald Trump. He's like the Paul Bunyan of narcissism. You know what I mean? It's so far beyond what is understandable from a human to human. He's like a superhero of narcissism.

Does that make sense? It makes perfect sense. There's a guy who resigned. He resigned today because of the way Trump cleared out that plaza. I was reading it today on the Google News. The gig. It's, you know, these videos are there, right? You can't do that to people.

And why are they doing that to people? They're doing that to people because they shouldn't be cops. Okay, I have a question. No, no, no, no. It happened just today. Military advisor resigns. Right there, photo op. Right there.

No, no, above that. Above that. No, James. Two days ago. It's two days ago, though. That's it, though, Jamie. I know, but this isn't... He didn't resign.

Okay, in my Google News feed, it showed up today. For whatever reason. Sometimes you get a Google News feed story from like seven months ago. James Miller resigns from Pentagon Slam. But go back to that article. Why did you... Because it's doing a pop-up thing on it. Oh, you can't get out of there?

Trying to get a better one. Jamie! Jamie! Jamie did mention you guys were talking get a better one. Jamie, Jamie. Jamie did mention you guys were talking about a drum set. I don't know if he said that to you. Why wouldn't we get here? Ben's like, you should have a drum set. He said, why don't you have a drum set?

I'm like, why would I have a drum set? He was just not interested at all. Which I don't understand. He's like, what if Jamie wants to play the drums? People want to play the drums. Look, I made it clear, my intentions. I'm like, if Jamie wanted to play the drums? People want to play the drums? Look, I made it clear, my intentions. I'm like, if Jamie wanted to play the drums, he would just get a drum set and bring it here. So really, it's on you, Jamie. Sorry, I'm trying to read.

Too many things going on. I'm trying to read. You have me looking at three different things at once. I'm sorry. You can get on your own here, but I support you. So this is it. This is it. So James Miller Jr., who served as the U.S. Undersecretary of Defense for policy from 2012 to 2014,

recalled that he swore an oath of office to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and to bear truth and faith and allegiance to the same, similar to what the defense secretary had done before he took office on Monday, June 1, 2020. I believe you violated that oath, Miller wrote to Esper. Miller's reasoning centered on President Donald J. Trump's visit Monday to St. John's Church in Washington, D.C., where police cleared peaceful protesters with tear gas so that he could pose with a Bible for photographs.

That defines 2020, that this was an idea that was not only just throwing up the flagpole but they're like fuck yeah what was the like was there like a quote under the but like was just him of the Bible or did he have something to say nothing that was it this is what happened I don't get it there's a lot going on one of the things that's going on is that they lit this church on fire okay and another thing that's going on is that someone posted it lit the church on fire. And then CNN's Brian Stelter.

Is that how you say his name? I don't know how to say it. This is one of the fellows on CNN. This adorable fellow on CNN was tweeting that there's no fire. There's no evidence. There's no story that there's a fire. This is what I'm talking about. And then the video comes out of the fire and then he deletes all those tweets.

a fire this is what i'm talking and then the video comes out of the fire and then he deletes all those tweets so it's trump who is also there's it's also like a jab at cnn like see you fucking idiots you are fake news you said there's no fire this place burnt down and i'm gonna go stand in front of it and i'm gonna hold up a bible yeah so that's what he's fighting about there's a lot of ego shit going on with that that's why i decided to stand in front of that church holding that Bible. It was also that he's trying to, look, he's in a dogfight right now when it comes to his constituents, when it comes to the idea of a

re-election, when it comes to the fact that everything keeps falling apart. He's had the worst set of circumstances, whether he brought it on or not. COVID, George Floyd, the fires, the riots. He couldn't have predicted any of this. The looting. It's madness. Right? George Floyd, the fires, the riots, like he couldn't have predicted any of this, the looting.

It's madness, right? So, it's like, I gotta, yeah, fucking somebody's gotta love me.

Jesus! We're with Jesus! This is where we're at. This is where we're at. Thinking shit. Yeah. Yeah, lawn orders,

saying all the lawn orders. About, it's like, what you said about someone playing a musical instrument, is that what you said? That it looked like someone who doesn't know how to play a guitar

is holding a guitar. Pool is another example of that. Like when you see a guy in a movie that's supposed to know how to play pool and you see him like fucking hold a pool stick all stupid.

That's not how it goes. It's what fake violin is when people play fake violin. What's that? How do I look with a pool stick? You look good. It's all right. It's all right.

We were playing pool earlier. Joe schooled us. He put on the glove for the record. He wore the glove. See someone hold a book. Like a guy who reads books. Yeah, that's...

Then you could open it. James Lindsay. He's going to be on the podcast soon. Hold on while I hold this blade. Cynical theories. Stupid. This is a... Dude, Joe's doing a book thing.

Say you hold a book. Let him do the book thing. This is a... But if I'm holding a book like this... It was upside down. Yeah. It's like... You was upside down that's it that's it

can we get someone I have definitely not read this book post book please you know what I buy it he loves that book you're dabbing

it's so stupid this is the bible it will never be ever ever forgotten it's written all over the world in many many ways the best words

it's an amazing amazing amazing book so special so important the thing about the whole narcissism thing is it's terrifying

I'm terrified of that man he scares the fuck out of me I want to shave his head and give him mushrooms. Do it. I dare you. I wish I could.

You probably can. I wish you would listen. You're king of Spotify now. Yeah. I'm a jester. A rule of Spotify. A minor jester. I'm second to Bill Simmons over there, I think.

There's no worries. Just give him mushrooms. Just one fucking really good solid dose. Is that your preferred psychedelic? It's a good one. You know? My preferred one is probably marijuana. I think that your preferred psychedelic? solid dose. It's a good one. Yeah. You know, my preferred one

is probably marijuana. I think marijuana is a psychedelic. I just think it's a I concur. It's a daily use psychedelic. If you did mushrooms every day, like you can't talk to anybody.

It'd be useless. False. I beg to differ. It's a micro dose. Oh yeah, that's different. Okay. I'm talking about getting blitz.

You have a big chest of mushrooms? Yeah. No, I don't. I have some, though. Woo! What are we doing later? Did I tell you guys about when I...

So I was quarantined with my parents for a month. Holla. So right after I saw you... Jill, when I was here last with Gary, like two days later, I went on tour. Tour got canceled. I was in New York. Drove down to my parents' house, and then things were getting weird and got weirder and weirder.

And then I was there for a month with my parents. And I messed up big time because I took acid one day while I was there. You mean you made the right choice? No, I thought they were going to be gone. And then I had a friend with me. My friend Jose was there, one of my buds from childhood. Did Jose bring the acid? No, I brought the acid.

I was originally like, let's take a whole tab, and he's like, let's go half. Honest to God. Good move, Jose. Powerful Jose. We both cut it in half. We both took a tab, and then 15 minutes later, my mom walked in the door.

I'm 35 years old. And then I was like, fuck. And I was like, oh, no, no, no. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. Because there's what we got all day. And she's like, my mom calls me Louis. God bless her. I love my mom so much. She calls me Lumi. Lumi, what are you doing?

And I was like, oh, I got to tell her. And so I... But it should be noted, not the first time you've been on psychedelics, myself included. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, this is different. She this this is I respect my parents so much. And I don't want to get too personal, but one of my uncles OD'd on PCP when my mom was a kid.

So she has like a she, you know, she's got a thing. Mushrooms to her are fine because they're like from the earth. So she got really, really mad at me. Like you don't even, like, because someone gave it to me. Someone I trust. But she was like, you know, like she was terrified of me. And I was too. I saw like, oh, yeah.

Because. She got into that Manson propaganda. I mean, I was white as a sheet. And I was, I did not look good look good, and it was hardcore tripping. It wasn't a little bit. I went deep, but I was also so aware that my mom was terrible. I went to check on her when I was really tripping balls. Yeah, that's what you want.

She was curled up on her bed with the dogs, and she was looking at me. And I looked at her, and I was like, I'm going to go. I just went back to my room. And then I like the giggle part where i just couldn't stop laughing um but at one point i do want to share this and i might get in trouble no fuck it um jose i i was trying to like get some sense of normalcy and i was trying to eat food and i i put on um planet earth which was very healing at that time of just being in a total place. And Jose needed to get sick.

And at that same time... Not so powerful, Jose. Less powerful, Jose. At the same time, I was watching... I swear to God, I just swear to God, true story. Like, Jose is in the bathroom, like... And then at that same moment, there were grizzly bears

going. And I was just like, is anybody watching this? That's me. And it was just the best moment ever. I felt so bad. Oh, my God. You know who took the best grizzly bear footage ever? That Timothy Treadwell guy, that crazy guy.

Was that the grizzly man thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy took the best grizzly footage. But he died. He paid the price. Well, he fucked up, for sure. But along with... He gave us something. I mean, this is going to be a real cynical take on this, but you've got to understand, this is all coming from love.

That guy, even though he died getting killed by grizzlies in a hilarious, the best unintentionally hilarious documentary ever. Come on. Grizzly Man is so funny. I'm scared to watch that. I don't want to hear that shit. I can't watch it.

They don't play it for you. They don't play it for you. There's no tape. Really? No, no, they don't play it. Well, there is a tape. No, no, no. No, no.

Werner Herzog got the tape and he destroyed it. He did not want it to be out there for it to be murder porn for people. He said it was horrible. And Werner Herzog, he knows the fuck he's doing. He's made some of the most amazing documentaries of all time, right? Agreed. But that, I guarantee you, he made that thing funny on purpose. There's no way he didn't.

The timing in it is so good. There's a sheriff at one point in time after the guy dies. The sheriff, first of all, looks like a sheriff in a fucking Quentin Tarantino movie. He just looks like he's a total Alaska sheriff. He looks right in the camera and goes, I thought he was retarded. They're talking about picking garbage

bags of this guy off of the fucking shore and seeing the big bear feasting on his rib cage. They show that no no they talk about it He talks about how he flew over in his plane and noticed the ribs poking out and saw the bear Rummaging in his chest cavity it is a crazy document. They I thought that they know there's no sound Okay, there's a version of it online, but it's fake. I thought that too. I thought that too. That's why I never watched it.

You got to trust me. I've seen it nine times. Jesus. I'm not exaggerating. That and Zoolander? It might be like 13 times. Texas Ranger. We got Norris.

Then we hit the Grizzly Man. There's time. We're going to go back for Zoolander. But really, here's the thing. There's something in this movie about acceptance. There's something about tolerance. He was gay. Oh.

And I'm 99,000% positive that he's gay. But he was pretending he wasn't. So this guy's talking like this, and he's walking through the woods going, I wish I had a girlfriend, but I don't. You know, like, girls just don't like me. I don't know why. Like, maybe because you live with monsters me. I don't know why. Maybe because you live with monsters in a house made

out of cloth. Is this like a Joe Exotica parody kind of thing we're doing here? No, he's got like this guy that's like, he's got a bandana on. It's like, I'm out of here protecting these bears. These bears didn't even know he was alive. They didn't give a fuck about him. Not only that, like the wildlife management

of Alaska is fantastic. Like they know exactly alive they didn't give a fuck about him not only that like the wildlife management of alaska is fantastic like they know exactly how many bears they are well they got it all covered you know i i just watched the um joe exotic thing and it in in regards to that there's like this weird megalomania with like convincing yourself that you have this control over these wild beasts it's fucking crazy it's very very similar. Very similar. It's connected to it. And I had these moments where it was really, first of all,

they're all a bunch of narcissists and they're crazy, but I felt really sad for Joe Exotic because it was like, what would have happened if maybe he were truly accepted for who he was

when he was a kid and loved by his father? Would he have gone to these extremes with his life? No, but then we wouldn't have enjoyed that fucking amazing show. This is my whole point about Grizzly Man.

Even though that guy lived this fucked up... It's about your entertainment. Even though this guy lived this fucked up, tortured life, ultimately what was created was amazing, and it was entertaining for millions of people. It gave millions of people a great feeling watching Grizzly Man and watching Joe Exotic. We said about art down the line.

Yes. All the time. Beethoven, that was a fucked up dude. Yes. But we're still listening to his shit. But this guy's life was like an art project. This Timothy Treadwell's life was like an art project. He's literally holding a camcorder, walking through this bear corridor where these enormous

grizzly bears are. And he's like, I wish I could find a girlfriend, but I can't. If I was gay, it would be easy. This is what he says. I'd just go to rest stop and I would just. He said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm not gay, so.

It's like, who, bro? Gay, gay. That guy needed mushrooms, but then we wouldn't have gotten Grizzly Man. He would have gotten shit together. Joe, is this how we heal the world? Is this, we need to do like extreme psychedelic dispensing. It sounds preposterous, but everything I say sounds

preposterous, so it's okay. I'm a preposterous person. Sort of true. But I believe that if mushrooms were decriminalized and people were allowed to use them, and in fact, decriminalize is probably better. You know why? Because I don't think anybody should sell mushrooms. Because I think mushrooms are so

sacred, you should never profit off of them. I agree. I really do. I think decriminalizing is enough. Just so that no one can ever bring, but you can't sell it. Just give it away to people or make sure, if you're selling it, you should sell it for just enough

to take care of the soil and feed. You should make your money some other way. And I think that for you, for people, I mean, there's an amazing business that could be had through selling mushrooms. I'm not opposed to it. Don't, look, I'll flip-flop on this back and forth. But I think if I was

giving someone advice, if I said, could you make it without doing that? Could you make it without selling it? I would say, okay, don't sell it. Just give it away. Just give it away and make deals with people. If they want to give you tomatoes that they grew, take that and give them mushrooms. It doesn't seem like something that should be

tainted. Something that should be tainted, rather, by the darkness of the human soul. I feel like there's power in money just like there's power in power. It's the same thing. Like, wanting to sell more. You sure you don't need any mushrooms, Ben?

You don't want that energy. You never want anybody pushing it on you. You want, like, you should do mushrooms because it's like calling you. Like, I don't think anybody should ever. It just makes me think about music because everything makes me think about music usually. But when you're talking about this thing,

well, how do we manage the sale of this, the presence is not in our society we need it we're going to do it anyway always a human behavior boom there's a price tag oh shit things are getting weird and it's a constant conversation ethical people that work with you so you don't think about that shit just think about your art you know i'm very inescapable because it's in the system right and the system is going to react to it, respond to it. Consumers are going to react in their way. And if you can, I guess, keep yourself completely apart from consumer opinion, then you can – is that what you're saying? Kind of like maintain a purity?

I don't think that's ever really possible. It's not possible. But I think you can have an ethic in your head. Like you can have an operating strategy in your head. You're going to avoid as much of that as possible and just certainly what does it take to be the best artist you could be the problem with that is sometimes it takes for you to be a fuck up oh yeah I don't know if I buy that well no I mean I don't know if I buy it either we don't have to buy it that's consumerismism. It's not for sale. Here's the thing. Some of my favorite artists, like I give this an example so many times, but I have to use it.

My great friend, Joey Diaz. He's one of my favorite people. Love that dude. I love him. He's great. Every time I'm with him, every time I perform with him, I work with him, every time I hang out with him, I always feel like I'm blessed. Like I'm not joking. That's a magical thing.

It's so rare. He's been my friend for, I'll tear up. He's been my friend for like 23 years. But you don't get a Joey Diaz without pain. It doesn't exist. You can't have a kid who lives in a gated community, who has tutors to teach him how to play piano, and who's on the soccer team. You don't get a Joey Diaz.

You know how Joey Diaz found his mother? He was on acid, and she she was dead and he was 13. He found her when he was on acid. I didn't know that. She was dead on the kitchen floor when he was 13. Joey Diaz has gone through some shit. And on the other end, he comes out this beautiful creation of the universe. You don't get diamonds unless you have pressure.

You need pressure. But those are uncontrollable things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The things that are controllable. Sorry. I'm just saying, like, some artists, like, I will never be as funny as Joey Diaz. It's literally not possible. I don't think anybody's funnier than him.

I think he hits these moments that are funnier than any. I've seen comedy for, I've been a professional comedian for like 32 years. Never seen anybody funnier. I've seen them all. I've seen Kinison live. I saw Bill Hicks live. I've seen Chris Rock. I've worked with Chappelle.

I've seen Chappelle live a hundred times. You know, I've worked with Pryor. You know, I had a chance to work with somebody. Yes. What's that story? Late, late, late in his career. No shit. He was actually dying, and he would go on stage.

They would carry him to the stage. I went on after Pryor. They were carrying him to the stage. Carrying him to the stage. My friend Chewy, who's an amazing musician, he used to be the doorman at the comedy store. He and this guy Dave would carry, who's Marilyn Martinez' husband, who's a hilarious comedian, would carry Richard Pryor to the chair and they'd put him in the chair

and they would crank up the volume like this. Like, shh. Because he's so far gone. Oh my God. That's what it was like. That was a photo of him. Wow. That was exactly.

So if you saw him, you saw me. Because when he would go on stage, Mitzi would always put me on afterwards because Mitzi knew it was basically an impossible task it was an impossible task first of all for some 27 year old dipshit to go on after the greatest comedian of all time ever right no matter what I did it was I was failed but the fact that everybody got to see him when they knew he was rapidly deteriorating it wasn't gonna get better and he just wanted to be out

there with his fans and people loved him so much and I would I would go on stage and it was like I was at a funeral trying to tell jokes it felt so bad first of all it's felt bad because the first time I ever really understood what comedy was, I saw Live on the Sunset Strip in the movie theater. My parents took me when I was like 15. And we were in the audience. And I remember looking around at all these people like falling out of their chairs laughing. And I remember I was laughing so hard.

It's like, how is this guy doing this by just talking? How is he doing this? So for me to be able to work with that guy to to do all these shows with that guy no one's funnier than joey diaz yeah no one all these people i work with the greats i've seen them all joey diaz hits these highs yeah they're like there's a new vibration he pops through to some new level yeah and he's not he might not be the best joke writer of all time. He might not have the most clever thing to say that makes you go, wow. But he hits you with some fucking punch lines that are harder than anybody's ever. He's the Ernie Shavers of punch lines.

He just drops bombs on you. You're like, what the fuck? You know, I think that. Who's Ernie Shavers? Sorry. Ernie Shavers was a very famous heavyweight boxer in the 1970s that was known for his punching power. No, it's okay.

It's very obscure. No, it's okay. I'm glad you asked. I did a Dennis Miller on you. I brought up some. Yeah, you did. I totally did. But for fight fans, they would know exactly what I'm talking about.

He's like the Francis Ngannou of stand-up comics. That's a good way to put it. Francis Ngannou is a top UFC contender. That's more contemporary. Also, you want to make a list? Let's make a list. Francis Ngannou is the single most powerful combat sport athlete I've ever seen. Francis.

With an I. Pull up a photo of Francis just so he gets an understanding of what the fuck he's writing down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Francis Ngannou is absolutely the scariest heavyweight to ever compete in the UFC. I think he's 6'6", 260 pounds, freak athlete who grew up working in the sand mines. He dug sand in Africa. Come on. Is it not contemporary?

Was he from Cameroon? Oh, I spelled that wrong. Find out where he was from. He's an amazing athlete. Like terrifying. Yeah, Cameroon. 33. Terrifying athlete.

And he's younger than us. I don't think that's correct. Age. What is age? What does it say? What age is it saying? He's 33. Is that correct?

Stop shouting. Six four. September 5th, S5. That's amazing because I thought he was older than that. That's crazy. Well, you know. He's fucking terrifying. The thing about this is like a little backtrack.

You're talking about Diaz and suffering. People that have had really intense things in their lives that they've overcome um and grown from are the most incredible people on the planet 100 and and you know and i i have empathy for for folks that aren't able to do that but the thing is it's like when you have this capacity to grow from horrible things, you have the capacity for wisdom and also comedy and also like trying to live a peaceful, beautiful life. And the thing is, like, life is fucked up. Like, we can't we can't control what's coming at us, but you can control how you fucking deal with it and your accountability. can control how you fucking deal with it and your accountability and i i am with you on the front of people that inspire me on that level that have been through things that i can't imagine but have come out in this like beautiful way that they express themselves in with inspiration and comedy

and music and acting or whatever artistic but you know not even art. It's just- I mean, our American music comes out of that. Yeah, 100%. Like blues, that's what that comes out of. Yeah. That comes out of a cultural experience. You ever listen to that old Robert Johnson shit? Yeah, fuck yeah. That's crazy, right?

It's incredible. You listen to that and you go, wait a minute, when was this? You have to put, I think music, like comedy, they share this one thing, is like you have to put i think music like uh like comedy and they they share this one thing is that you you have to put the music or the comedy in the context of the time that it was created like i'm a giant lenny bruce fan if you walk around this place you see all these lenny bruce concert posters and outside that's because he was such a pioneer too like he was the he was the he's patient zero he's patient zero but if you listen to his stuff today it might not be that funny like some of it's not that good in terms of like how far

things have gone like if you watched chapelle's latest special and then you try to watch lenny bruce it'd be hard to watch lenny bruce yeah but it's all timing and all that stuff it's still there it's the context of it but for me it's like go back and listen to robert johnson and then just think what wait a minute, what year was this? Yeah. What year was this? And what kind of music were people making? And this dude was just like this very free, haunting sound that Robert Johnson had.

I wish we could play it. Jesus, I hope when we go to Spotify we can play some fucking music. That'd be cool. Right? Dang. You know what I'm saying? Just play some Robert Johnson. Give them the shekels

the great let them have the cash I just want to hear it yeah I want to hear I just don't want to get pulled he said shekels shekels

time you know respect for my Jewish friends thanks brother shekel it's a great name for money it is it sounds fun

it sounds fun give me them shekels son yeah sadaka I'm all about the shekels like I'm all about the Benjamins that's okay I wonder how much Ben Franklin really did because like it's history so interesting I was thinking about this today like we need people to write shit down. Then we have to trust that you're going to tell the truth. And most people are full of shit. So how does that work out?

Paul Revere never ran around going, the British are coming. Do you know that? No, I did not know that. I didn't know that either. I found out two years ago. Who told you the truth? I was reading this whole story about what really happened. That Paul Revere wasn't really riding down the street with a horse

saying the British are coming, the British are coming. No, another dude did it. And he was taking credit. Son of a bitch. Yeah, he was taking credit for it. Yeah, the thing is, I said this earlier, I don't know what's real or true anymore. Even when we have the age of cell phones and people take videos,

right now we have someone saying, hey, this is a tennis ball. Another person saying, oh, no, it's purple. And you're like, what? What could be purple? Like there's no comparison. Oh, like that dress? That black and white dress? No, the fat example.

Oh, yeah, the Laurel. What would that be? The thing is, you know, back to Donald Trump, like, there's just a complete lack of information of, like, is this, like, one person saying this thing, the other person saying this thing. And I'm watching a video and you're telling me it's not true. But how is it not true? Because I'm watching it. Right. I'm so fucking confused. Well, he's creating his own reality and it's extending to.

Well, he's not the only one. There's a lot of people doing that. 100%. He's playing a game. The game has already been established. That game is be full of shit if it supports your cause. The left does it as well as the right. It's a human issue. It's a partisan human issue. He's particularly

shitty at it. I think he buys into it. I think that's a requisite too too, is that he has to believe his own bullshit. You gotta be able to say when you fucked up. But you can say that with power. Why is that not a thing? Why can't they do that? They don't do it. I just want to say right now, the rock for president,

step in. I'd vote for the rock. I saw your Instagram. Love him. My brother, listen, you can do it. I'll vote for you. No one's gonna fuck with you. You are America, by the way. Look at you. Look at you, you beautiful son of a bitch. I'll vote for you. No one's going to fuck with you. You are America, by the way. Look at you. Look at you, you beautiful son of a bitch. He's America. I'm not familiar with your platform, but I will look into it.

I've only met him in person two or three times, but he's so beautiful. He's so big. Remember that movie? He's enormous. Oh, you were? When I first moved to LA, I was like a PA on this movie, just like completely brainless. And he was in the movie, and he came in. What movie was it, Ben?

And he's a super nice guy. Legitimately super nice guy. Incredibly ambitious. He's the American dream. Came up from poverty. He epitomizes hard work. And he's got a heart. He clearly is a nice guy and he's a real man.

He's not some soy boy. Is he single? I find that insensitive. I drank soy. He should be. You should feel- I drank soy. You should feel that. Joe, okay.

You should feel the pain. You should drink raw buffalo milk mixed with blood. But Ben is- No need. No need. Like a Comanche. You're lactardic? No, you got to get it right from the udder.

To all- You got to get it right under there. It's okay. You can drink, so you'll be all right. Go easy on it, actually. I don't drink it anymore. I drink rice milk. We gotta get you out there eating raw ducks. Yeah. You're gonna be fine. Don't let this... Get some liver in your diet.

Outdated masculinity. Take you down. I don't drink that anymore. I drink rice milk. It's definitely questionable the health impacts. You ever seen The Rock's Cheat Days? No. It's the most special thing you've ever seen. What is it?

Like he has a salad? It's a staggering amount of food. No, it's staggering. Oh, okay. Pancakes and waffles and cookies and brownies and ice cream. I just want him to pick me up. Sorry. Pizzas.

Just pizza. This is him. That's his meal. Get out of here. Yeah, yeah. It's usually on like a set. You know, he's on a set. Oh, yeah. No bullshit. So he has one day where he goes to It's usually on like a set. You know, he's on a set. What? Oh yeah, no bullshit.

So he has one day where he goes to war. That man is a machine. He's 14 feet tall. Did you know that? Bro, he's so big it doesn't even make sense. 14 feet. But here's my thing. This guy is the real deal. Like he's an exceptional human. He works really hard and he's

really nice. He stands for a lot of things that we can all appreciate. He stands for hard work. He stands for respect. He's very complimentary to people. He's very friendly. He's a nice guy. He's a good person and he's enormous.

That's America. He's America. He's a goddamn bald eagle sitting on a machine gun. Is there a major position of power right now now that person that also has the capacity to have empathy? Because that man clearly has empathy. That man clearly. Yeah, The Rock does. Talk about The Rock.

No, as a president. Yeah. Listen, I don't think he would become a politician. I think we're done with politicians. Trump already showed that a non-politician businessman is the host of a reality show can be the king of the world okay well now that we know that Killer Mike said how about Killer Mike for president

I would fucking vote for Killer Mike he could be president no bullshit count me in I worship that man I think he's brilliant I love him by the way Run the Jewels record came out yesterday it's amazing I haven't heard the new shit,

but I love their shit. It's so good. Mavis Staples sings on one of the songs. Mavis is one of my favorite people, musicians on the planet. It's incredible. Please check it out. But he said Lost It, Lost It, Come Back. He referred to Donald Trump as

the casino operating owner is our president. He's like, the owner of a casino, like the casino operating and owner is our president. He's like the owner of casinos. I just like get sunk in. I'm like, this guy's, he's a casino guy, hotel guy. What did Tim Dillon call him? Totally butchered that. Riverboat Casino.

What did he call him? Riverboat Casino. Have you ever seen Tim Dillon do Meghan McCain? No. Thank you, Jesus. Bring up. I'm not the person I get to give a gift to! One of my favorite things in all the internet that anybody's ever done is one of my good

friends, Tim Dillon, he's a hilarious comedian. He does this impression of Meghan McCain. Oh shit! Oh god! And please take it from the beginning. Wait, is this in the... Hold on. Before my father died, I had a baby with him.

Oh no! And we're going to... it will be raised in captivity. It'll be raised privately to be the greatest politician that has ever lived. My name is Meghan McCain and I'm on a news show called The View. And Donald Trump, that fucking riverboat casino captain, is talking shit about my father again. My father was tortured for a hundred years in this fucking country. And he came back and he started seven wars because he's a gentleman fuck you trump i'm gonna wear my father's skin mask and i'm gonna primary

trump from the right come on the view bitch if you're that tough come on the view you want it no you don't you want to suck cock tits? No, you don't. You want to suck cock. But I won't fuck you because the only person I'll fuck is Daddy. Oh, no. I'll fuck his corpse. I'll fuck Daddy's corpse. That is so fucked up.

A lot of different feelings. I don't know what to say. Oh, my God. Holy shit. Who is that person? It's Tim Dillon. Tim Dillon. Tim, my God. Holy shit. Who is that person? It's Tim Dillon. Tim Dillon. Tim, looking good.

He's here with us tonight. He's a gay fellow. He gets away with more things. Is that a thing? Fuck yeah. Okay. He's hilarious. All right.

Do you know who I love? Andrew Schultz. Oh, yes. That guy's brilliant. I love him. He's informative, brilliant, hilarious, and just gets right to your guts. Who's Andrew Schultz? He's brilliant.

He's done the best pandemic comedy that anybody's done, for sure. He does these videos for Instagram where he'll start the video and go, hey, turn your phone over sideways. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Turn your phone sideways. And then he has this whole multimedia. Way to control the situation.

Yeah. I mean, it's amazing. He's got a multimedia presentation it's really a show but it's with his stand-up style really really good and really smart he's figured out a way he's got to get a show no no no no no no no fuck that okay tell me exactly what he's doing all right just do exactly what he's doing freedom making those internet things yeah do it all right he's got he's got more than one youtube show he's doing. All right, copy that. Just do exactly what he's doing. Freedom! Keep making those internet things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it on the... He's got more than one YouTube show. He's got a YouTube show

with Charlamagne that he does. It's called Brilliant Idiots. Then he's got the other one. What is his other one? Flagrant 2 Podcast. That's right, Flagrant 2. Have you had him on the show? Yes, he's gonna be on next week, too.

What the fuck? I love him. He's a good friend. Benny, you'd love it. He does a thing on Central Park, Karen. That lady that freaked out and almost strangled her dog to death and lied about that guy. I shared it with so many people.

You wonder if you wonder why black people are freaking out. This is real. These are real people. First of all, the guy who was using the dog treats, come on, man. I wish you were perfect. I wish you were perfect and she was just crazy. The irony. Keep going.

I don't know about the dog treats. He tried to give her treats. Her dog treats. Dogs are not supposed to be off-leash. Right. Dogs go off-leash. I believe he's a birdwatcher. Yes? No. Fact. Bird watchers are really

hardcore. I got really into optics because I was, like, when I started hunting, I really got into binoculars. And I was trying to figure out why some binoculars are really expensive and what they use them for. And bird watching is a big deal.

Like, the people that are, like, really into birds, like, spotting birds, it's like there's some crazy... Are you a bird nerd? Huge bird nerd. Dude. Yeah. There's something that people...

There's an orgasmic quality when people find like an owl that's hiding in a hole. There he is, there he is, there he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a... I don't know what it is.

It might be tied to like hunter-gatherer DNA or some shit. I just love birds. But it's the same feeling that you get when you catch a fish. Also love fishing. There you go. But you know that thing that you get?

There's a rush that you get when you catch a fish. I think it's like hunter-gatherer shit. It's like, I got one. I got one. And then you see a bird. Even if you're just seeing it with your binos, you're like, oh, there he is. There he is. He's hiding.

Oh, look, look, look, look, look, look. It's amazing. It's weird, right? No. There he is. He's hiding. Oh, look, look, look, look, look, look. It's amazing. It's weird, right? No. It's not bad. But so that's why that dude is pissed off. These fucking dipshit dogs that are supposed to be on leashes are running around. Well, you know, she lost her dog and her job, so.

Well, that's fucked up. Is it, though? Did you watch the video? Yeah, she's fucked up. She's fucked up. I mean. For sure. But she lose her dog.

The moment where she says, I'm going to tell my African-Americans threatening my life. And it was just so matter of fact and gross. And in that moment, would you want that person working for you and with you? No, I wouldn't. But I don't. I don't know her. Right. So I don't know if she's redeemable.

I don't know what that was about. I don't know if she's redeemable. I don't know what that was about. I don't know if she had a panic attack because it was just her and that guy. That's fair. You know what? That's very generous, and I appreciate that perspective. You have to consider that a lot of people are very scared of conflict. And when women are in the presence of a man confronting them in an angry way about something, I don't care what race you are.

He wasn't angry. He was so calm and gentle. That's the thing. He was genuinely like. But he was accusing her of not having her dog on the leash, right? Yeah, and she didn't like being told what to do by a black person. I think that's true. I think that's certainly true.

But I also think for sure, 100%, that was a conflict. And during conflicts, people act irrationally they don't know what to do sure they get out of their own head they fuck up it could be a clear example of just how she acts all the time that she is always racist and she's always uh she always exaggerates anything that's happening she posted a video after the fact and said um andrew schultz talks about this uh he she said i i wasn't i'm not racist i was afraid for my life which is possible so this is the only reason why that's racism because you're afraid of for your life by a gentle person who was like hey can you put your dog on a leash it could be it could be racism it could also be racism on top of conflict

Like maybe her racism would never show itself, but then in conflict She panics some people panic during conflict sure and when when you're looking at someone That's doing something awful in a crisis situation Like we've seen people hit people with ice I was watching this video the other day of this lady is Coming up to this guy in the street and the only reason why I found this is because people kept saying, dude, is this you? Did you hit this lady in the head with a two by four? Because this is a fucking lady in some Spanish neighborhood. You're like, no, I sweep the knee. All these people are yelling in Spanish and this lady has this big ass fucking stick and

she walks up to this dude who looks exactly like me and he has a two by four and he says something in Spanish, she doesn't listen and he bonks her in the head4 and he says he says something in Spanish she doesn't listen and he bonks her in the head with his 2x4 and knocks her unconscious watch this watch this

this is it so I swear to god like 5 of my friends sent me this so she gets mad at him and she goes and picks up a stick look they're yelling

at each other give me some volume on this where's you yeah where's Joe a little bit further. I'd accidentally look across the full version. Towards the fight.

Yeah, so it's this... It looks like they're in front. Yeah, see, that's the guy in the white shirt. And they're talking shit to each other. This guy and this girl, which is just so crazy, right? Go a little further ahead. Oh, there it is, right here. Oh no!

See, watch this. Oh wow! She comes up. Oh boy. It's pretty joist. Those pants. That guy has no tattoos. He has no tattoos. Oh, wow. She comes up. Oh, boy. It's pretty joyous. Those pants. That guy has no tattoos. He has no tattoos.

Oh, he has sleeves on, though. He looks exactly like me. She knocked out. That might have been me. Holy shit. I might have taken Ambien and hit that lady over the head with a stick. She does not look conscious. She's not unconscious.

She's 100% unconscious. He hit her in the head with a two-by-four. This is crazy. I don't know what the context was, but she... Go back again. Watch. Are you talking about conflict? No, back up so you can see what's happening. This is crazy. I don't know what the context was, but she, go back again. Watch. Are you talking about conflict? No,

back up, back up so you can see what's happening. She walks up, she grabs a stick and he's like, stop, get the fuck away from me. So she starts coming towards him. And when she starts coming towards him,

she's got this big ass fucking stick. And I don't speak Spanish. Right in front of United Express. Here it goes. Look, she's coming at him full speed with this stick. And he's like, oh no. Jesus Christ.

Stop, stop. He didn't really swing that hard either. He just kind of gave a little bop. That's all it takes. I mean, most people are not very two by four resilient. It's like... Taking a lot of two by four.

Every time I get hit with a two by four, I just get right back up. Dude, getting hit in the head with a two by four would suck. That would suck. That would suck. That would suck heavy. I have to pee. That was a situation of conflict.

Yes. And, you know, we can't assign any racial elements. She certainly fucked up. I'm not an apologist. And she certainly lied, which is indicative of a character flaw. It's not just that she tried to talk her way out of this. She tried to be reasonable. She wasn't being reasonable. Just look how she's treating her dog, right? Oh, yeah. She's treating just that she tried to talk her way out of this. She tried to be reasonable. She wasn't being reasonable.

Just look how she's treating her dog, right? Oh, yeah. She's treating her dog in a very horrible way. Like, basically holding it up. Like, choking the fucking thing. Why don't you immediately

identify them as African-American on the phone If you love your dog, you don't ever hang them. You don't fucking... Even if you pull on the leash, you don't...

Like, hey, get over here. Maybe she just doesn't know how to use a leash. You don't hold them up in the air. It's bizarre. But I also think that's indicative of someone who's going through a panic attack. Sure. She just wants to control that dog.

She literally doesn't give a fuck. You know, she's just shut the fuck up. You know, and she's 100% wrong. Don't get me wrong. I'm not excusing her. But I'm saying when you look at what it really is, it's a woman who is alone with a man, and the man is catching her doing some shit she's not supposed to do, and he's got a camera on her, right?

So all those things freak people out. A lot of factors. There's a lot of things going on there. It's not just this is who she is. And the guy was like, he had treats, but I get it from his perspective. If you live in an area and this area has been

clearly assigned as a place where if you have a dog that dog has to be on a leash that's super reasonable man put your dog on a leash take it around

enjoy the park with everybody else but don't ruin it for everybody else because you want your dog to run free you need to find another place

to have a dog you can't have a dog here and if this guy is like yeah there's all these birds there if this guy is like, yeah, there's all these birds there. So this dude is like really in a fucking spot in birds. I've never been into like bird watching, but I fucking 100% get it.

Because I've seen some cool shit. For hunting, I'm sure you feel the same way, right? Yeah, I mean, I think it's slightly different, right? I mean, you can enjoy the beauty of birds without wanting to go kill them. Sure. what isn't there an element when you're hunting you find the moment where you cross the animal it's not just kill it's it is a beauty but you got to put that aside and then it's a job done you have

to it's too intense right it's and it's it's too fraught with peril you can fuck it up so you're confronting those I've never hunted before. It's real weird. You pull up a file from the back of your hard drive. You're like, oh, I forgot about this folder. And you pull out this folder of these hunter-gatherer instincts that pop in. The same thing when you catch a fish. It's like catching a fish.

There's something about, oh, I got him, I got him, I got him when you catch a fish. It's like catching a fish and there's something about, I got him, I got him, I got him, I got the fish. But there's something more terrifying about mammals, like closing in on a mammal. When you're fishing, it's so passive most of the time. You're baiting something and you hook it. But you have to make a decision in a moment to act

aggressively and to end this thing's life. You have to prepare for it. You have to think about it all the time. It's not a simple thing. You have to prepare for it. You have to think about it all the time. It's not a simple thing. You have to think about it all the time. You can choose to get your meat the regular way or choose to do it that way. I've chosen to do it that way because it adds

this element. I'll still eat domestic cows and stuff like that, but it adds this element of what food is. When I eat something that I killed myself, there's a weird element to that. It's a connection. I don't know if truthful isn't the right word, but it's a more clear representation of the process. It's honest.

Yeah, that's a better word. You understand what it is. But you also understand, like I've come across ones that have been killed by wolves. We came across, me and my friend Mike, we were in, Mike Harkridge, we were in Canada, in BC. We came across this moose calf that had been destroyed by wolves and torn apart. It was so strange, man. It was like part of me, because it was real fresh, like within a few days, like maybe a day. It might have been that day when they walked away from it because there was like hair everywhere and these stripped down bones.

And it was just this spot in the middle of the woods where you just came across a moose calf. Yeah. And you realize like, wow, this is how they usually go. Yeah, the violence is a different type of violence. This is how they usually die. They just get torn apart out here in this field. The thing that freaked me out that i didn't expect jamie i know i have this on my instagram see if you can find it

good luck because it's like from 2013 i think so i was on this moose hunt in um bc with my friend ben o'brien and um we were um when we were going through these woods looking for a moose we found this moose calf that had been killed by wolves and it was 100% Mike knew right away he just knows I mean he lives there he's a professional guide and a rancher that's it right there

so this is what freaked me out is all the hair like I didn't expect the hair is that dog hair or is that moose hair no no no it's moose hair that's the hair from the animal I didn't expect the hair. Is that dog hair or is that moose hair? No, no, no, no, no. It's moose hair. That's the hair from the animal that they killed. Why is it gray? And it must be- Oh, they have like a lot of white.

Moose have a lot of white. Okay. Underbelly in particular, they have a lot of white. They all vary. That was 290 weeks ago. Oh, wow. Isn't that nuts? If you want to measure time in that way, that's weird.

Dude, that's kind of scary. Yeah. 290 weeks. So that was a photo that i took uh i think it was about three hours north of vancouver we landed in vancouver and drove up there up north it was amazing though there's something about that when you're around these animals that are just killing other animals and just eating them out and you just we he found it because he saw some birds like you know the way people live up there when you live around wolves and bears and shit you just you're in tune with

all this shit so yeah i didn't even notice it he saw some birds that were kind of circling around this one area he's like let's go see what the fuck they're interested in yeah and then we we got there and stumbled upon that when you when you're in nature and you start to integrate yourself and become in tune, it's fucking fascinating. I've never hunted, but I fish a lot. And when you're fly fishing, you start to become aware of the bugs that are around you and what kind of flies that you want to make for your bait. And it's really interesting. It feels very spiritual.

I think that what people are when they're in cities are like people what they are when they're having sex with two condoms on. Who has sex with two condoms on? Nobody. Nobody. Okay. But you're all, there's no sense to it. When you go to the woods, when you go to the woods, it's like you feel the wind different because it's like the wind just moving through the trees. It's not blocked off by buildings and coming down these streets and alleys.

It's different wind. It's wind like in a natural trajectory You know it's carrying different Birds and rural birds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah sure. Yeah, I mean the smartest They're smart as fuck right smart But just present but you're when you're out there and there's no sound and There's there's no sound and there's no media, there's no nothing, and you're just hearing the whistling of the wind and you hear a stream and you hear a hawk and you see an animal walk through the brush and you don't know what it is. And then you realize, like, well, if I wasn't here, this would be exactly how this would go down. And how lucky are you to witness it?

And it's right. We're muted. Yeah. How lucky are you to witness it? And it's right. We're muted. Yeah. We're muted by our artificially constructed civilization where we've narrowed down the possibilities of being eaten.

Yeah. That's what we've done. It comes at a cost, obviously. Everything else is super vulnerable to being eaten all the time. We've narrowed that down. We use our big brains and our fucking opposable thumbs. And we said, look, I'm going to stop being eaten by cats and shit.

Let's make some fucking houses. We need some guns. We need to be vigilant. What's interesting now, I mean, I think I'd rather live in a city than get eaten. Yes. Oh, dude, 100%. Maybe that's selfish. I think there's a balance to be had. And I don't think we achieve that balance.

I think we need to spend more time in that world to understand what the world is. I think we're basing our view of the world off of blunt data. I don't think it's giving us a real nuanced sense of what your part in the universe is. I think a big part of that is the light pollution that we're all afflicted by. There's something really humbling about staring out into the space and seeing all the stars. Yeah. And we have decided that lights are more important than the enlightenment that you get from staring at space. I don't know if it's a good call.

Not a good call. Definitely not good. Some of the best moments of my life have been hanging out with people I care about, looking up at the stars. It's so powerful. There's something about it. It's a reality check. Like, hey, man, this is forever above your head. It doesn't have an ending to it.

You're thinking about this small, insular little world that you live in. I mean, you're a part of something that's literally infinite, and you're flying through it right now. something that's literally infinite and you're flying through it right now and you've decided that it's more important to be able to drive at 10 o'clock down a nice well-lit street than it is to see the majesty of the universe. Well, and the inability to understand that plays into so many of the things we were talking about earlier. Yeah. Just cops freaking out, people freaking out.

Unable to recognize a more total awareness in a situation. But if you want to boil it down to the natural brass tacks of Mother Earth, if you want to look at it that way, saying, go to your fucking room. And we have to sit and let her breathe. I mean, think about what's happened in the past few months. It's just in terms of pollution and the way that the earth is growing and breathing. All kinds of incredible things are happening. Like with the monkeys in, was it India?

Yes, yes. They were, you know, the course of nature. There's one in Thailand. Did you see the Thailand one? Was that Thailand? I think I sent it to you. Where there was no tourists anymore. So the monkeys were going to war with each other.

Yeah, yeah. But I mean, that's kind of not as beautiful as I wanted to depict this thought. But whatever. tourists anymore so the monkeys were going to war with each other thousands run down the street not as beautiful as I wanted to depict this thought but whatever that's like that's my cousin I know you're right mother nature is telling us to go to our room I think

we would like to believe that our systems all of them are they're independent right that our system of all of them, they're independent, right? That our system of the way we view each other, if you wanted to look at racism, classism, sexism, all the different isms and all the different biases that things have, people leaning left and leaning right and censoring people that oppose them,

if you wanted to look at it like a system, like the thoughts are a system and then all the life forms are a system. There's some sort of a moving, flowing, give and take to all of it, to life and death and the organic structure of the land that you live on. It's all supposed to work together.

Animals die, they fertilize the ground. And as soon as we jam ourselves into this, we go, you know what? Fuck fertilizer. How about we grow these fucking things with chemicals and we put them in a big warehouse and we force Mexicans to work here for $3 an hour. It all feeds into everything. We sneak them across the border. It's all related.

It really is. And then people get sick. And then the abuse and then all these negative things and then they affect crime. And then crime affects the way you think about each other. Well, no one wants to take accountability for their choices. Like the guys upstairs, like the ones in power don't want to say, well, this is what we did. But since it's all fucked up and it's not working, we're going to just point our fingers at these people. Well, because if they fuck up, we hate them and we want them out of office.

You fucking loser. You ruined this economy. You know, like they don't even have a chance to fuck up. Yeah. But people fuck up in everything they do. But so much of the tension of it is that consciousness comes from that natural system and is part of it. Yeah. So how do you reconciling that is.

Is that the chimpanzee or the bonobo? That's where the mushrooms come in. Yellow. The mushrooms show you the grand pattern and make you realize how you're fucking up, kid. One of the saddest things I've discovered as a fisherwoman

I don't get to fish as much as I would like. You're an angler. Yeah. Angler. You're an angler. It's a better, gender is not neutral. Almost every place that I've gone fishing in the past few years, and beautiful places, even in pristine nature. We were fly fishing in Montana on the Clark Fork River, and it's like not a piece of trash

for miles. Like just eagles, ospreys, just absolutely stunning. Yeah. People getting eaten. People getting eaten. Left and right. A couple. A couple.

But you can't eat any of the fish that you catch because sometime in the 70s or 80s, the mines that they were using in the area started leaking minerals into the river and it contaminated the area and you can't, you'll get really sick. Is that true? Yes, it is true. Is this a rumor? No, no, no, no. You can't eat the fish.

Where are you hearing this? There's some areas where that's the case. Like out of, in the areas around Billings, there's a lot of places that have had. But if you're in like other places, like I guarantee you, you could eat the fish. Clark Fork River in Montana, I don't believe. But here's what I'm saying. Outside Missoula. It would be an ecological catastrophe of the highest order the United States has ever seen

if all the rivers in Montana were polluted to the point where you couldn't eat the fish. You're talking about a certain section? Maybe it was a certain section. I don't know. I would imagine it has to be. That would be horrific. But even then, like when we were, one of our last river trips a couple years ago, we went, we did a, Ben and I were hired as entertainment for this incredible trip on the Snake River

in Hell's Canyon in Oregon. And I mean, no cell service for three days. So you don't have a fucking cell phone. You're like shitting outside. Like doing it. Hole in the grass? No, we had like a

bucket situation. And then you put this powder. It's horrifying. But you gotta do it. Hey, toughen up, Rogan. That's where I draw the line that's where I become a bitch I'm not shitting in a bucket are you a glamper

I'm not shitting in a bucket no when I went hunting with Brian Callen we had a shit in the forest you didn't shit in a bucket no we had a shit in the forest and I took his shit I have a picture

of it somewhere on my phone and I put a flag in it I made a flag out of aluminum foil and I planted it in his shit and I had him standing over it with his pants down to his

ankles giving me the thumbs up. We're in the middle of Montana. Let me tell you something. Callan and I, we hunted for seven days. It was one long ridiculous joke after another. All we were doing was stuff like that. Jesus Christ. Brian Callan

came up with, yeah, sure. He came up with a character called the Ravine Comer. There's a guy who finds ravines and just jacks off in ravines. He was deciding, like, some people are into ladies' feet. Some people are into hair and eyes. I like a fucking ravine. You know what? I can relate. And these camera guys were dying. I like a fucking ravine You know

Camera guys were dying. They're filming this hunting show and you got Brian Callen miming jacking off into We were crying it was so ridiculous We were crying. We were crying. It was so ridiculous. Oh, my God. I think I'm crying. I had a real tear.

I wish you were there. I wish you could see it. It was one of the funniest. Hey, you can bring Honey Honey next time. We'll fake jerk off in the room. I think they even filmed it. Whatever we got to do. I think they even filmed it, but they wouldn't put it on the show.

And I was like, you know, I mean, you would lose a lot of fans, but you gain a lot, too. Yeah, yeah. I'm used to it these days. It's a fucking ebb and flow. Oh, my God. fans, but you gain a lot, too. Yeah, yeah. I'm used to it these days. It's a fucking ebb and flow. Oh, my God. No, but there's something to be said about- It is. Clark Fork fish kill.

Mind waste. So there's something to be said- But it can't be all of them. That's got to be like one creek. Because I think one of the things they do- I think it's a pretty big river, though. It goes pretty far. It's gotten a lot of rain.

The fish kills that have happened in the past, a lot of times are shortly after big rain events. Rain starts to run over land and it'll pick up a lot of metals from those contaminated areas we call sickens. Oh, slickens. Sickens is better. Isn't slickens better? Slickens. Those metals can get into the river. Betty slickens. Slickens. Have metals can get into the river. Betty Slickens.

Slickens. Have you ever heard that word before? No. Slickens are pieces of ground in the upper Clark Fork watershed devoid of life due to heavy metal contamination dating back to the early 20th century flood that washed mine waste off the Butte Hill and down river all the way to Missoula. Yeah. So all the way down there, those fish could die.

But that's what's so disconcerting is, you know. Since the 80s or 90s. Back to when Ben and I did this river raft trip, which was so, it was just beautiful. But I mean, you're in the middle of nowhere, no cell service, like nothing but nature. And when we were on the Snake River in Hell's Canyon it's a canyon right so like any runoff from farms up top is going to end up in the river and we did a lot of

fishing and almost everything I caught any catfish that came up bass all had like weird abscesses on them but like you could see you could see I wonder why maybe next time let's had like weird abscesses on them and like, but like you could see, you could see. Why did we go there? What's that?

I wonder why. I mean, maybe next time let's go to a different river. Oh, great. Great idea, Ben. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Hey, you pick the river. Let's go. Let's go there.

That place sucks. Let's go to another place, bro. Are you channeling your inner Jeff Spicoli? Hey, does this river have abscesses on your fish? Because if not, we want to fish there. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, that's the darkest. That's a great idea, actually.

That's the darkest deal with mining, right? That's the thing that everyone's terrified of. I have a lot of good friends that are involved in conservation and a lot of the laws that get passed in terms of like what affects wildlife, like what areas are allowed to be open for mining and stuff like that. They're always like moving and trying to stop stuff like that from being happened from, from being drilled from, cause you never know. I mean, there's, there's just so many times it'll poison a system.

And if that's the case that it goes all the way down to Missoula, I don't know how far that is from Clark Fork. Is that what it is? The river is called Clark Fork. How far away is it from Missoula? I don't know. We probably drove like an hour or so to get to the spot. Not far. It's not far. But imagine that. If it goes all the way down there. So that's like what? 50,

60 miles of fucked up creek? There's this great book called The Four Fish and it came out a long time ago, which makes it scarier. But the writer talks about the four remaining fish, and then there's all the farming industries and how that's kind of crossbred into our river systems and so at this point like if someone's like this is your atlantic salmon it's not necessarily the atlantic salmon that would have been the same salmon oh yeah it's farm raised everything it's like nothing's what it used to be the way it's evolved and the sad part is and i i am such an optimist at heart but like in terms of fishing and like getting and you could probably relate to this with hunting, authentic clean fish, it's not a thing.

We've fucked with the earth too much with our pesticides and the way that we farm and the way that we try to fuck with nature. It's just not, you don't know what you're catching and if you're going to ingest it. Who knows what it is anymore? There's a great book that actually just got released about salmon. It's my friend Steve Rinella on The Meat Eater interviewed the author. I like that guy. Yeah, he's great. Steve's an amazing guy.

And he's just one of the best representatives for like the best well-read arguments for a hunting, fishing lifestyle. But he has this great podcast called Meat Eater, and he had on this guy who wrote this book on salmon, and he was explaining how complicated it is for salmon to bounce back. Because if you took some farm salmon and you just threw them in a river with a bunch of salmon that are swimming upriver to breed, these dumb salmon wouldn't know where to go. They're in a farm.

They just sit around waiting to be fed. They don't know anything. So here they are, you know, 24 pounds, just dumb as fuck. Just like a robot person. Like, hey, where are we going for food? Where's the food? Like, bitch, you gotta earn this food. You gotta go kill these fish.

Look at those bugs. Jump, get them. Jump. Jump up the rocks. We gotta get to the top of the river. You guys are swimming upriver? What the fuck is wrong with you? Why don't you just wait for the food?

What about the guy? What about the guy? And apparently- There's supposed to be pellets, right? They told me there was going to be pellets here. Yeah. Where's the fucking pellets, bitch? Apparently, each river, like each tributary is specific to one sort of like almost breed

of salmon. Yeah. Like the type of salmon. And they don't even know how the fuck they know how to come back to the place where they were born. So they find the place where they were born and they fucking die there. Shit. How do they know how to get back there? And if you block the river, they don't know what the fuck to do.

So when people put dams up and shit and they block the river, they just kill off giant streams of this majestic animal. But it's such a weird animal because it's got to travel to the ocean. It's this weird fish. It gets smaller and smaller every year, the population. And that's what's like at this point, like, are we just going to start eating farmed salmon and only farmed salmon? Like wild caught is a thing. It's got other consequences, too, with orcas. There's a resident population, I think in the Puget Sound, around Seattle,

in the Pacific Northwest. There's a resident population of these dolphins that only eat salmon. Those dicks. No, there's no salmon for them anymore. They're fucking starving. Oh shit, I feel bad now. They won't eat the other stuff. The ones that are thriving, the salmon

that are thriving up there are the ones that are transitory. And they come in and they eat the seals and shit. They eat mammals. And these other ones won't eat seals. They just won't eat them. They only want to eat salmon. Since there's no salmon, they're like, literally, they're worried they're going to. Wow, isn't that crazy?

They should expand their palate. They just don't have that. They don't have it. They don't have it. Yeah. Did you ever read that book, Sapiens? Yes. It's amazing.

Oh, my God. Was it Noah, Yuval, Harari? Yeah, Harari. That is amazing. An incredible book. It's so eye-opening. And he talks about, this is dating back, what, 70, 80, 90,000 years, whenever the human species or Homo sapiens were introduced into an environment.

It's somewhere between like 50 and 80% of the other species in 100 years were extinct. It's just a natural, you know, side effect of sharing space with humans. That's just what we do. Well, I think it's also, because we figured out how to make these houses and get away from being eaten,

we've gotten like super ridiculous about the way we allocate resources. And we made way too many of us. We're like rats on a sinking ship. There's so many of us. At this point, I kind of feel like holding on to my nostalgic, like fishing, you know, experiences and things like that. I just have to keep going forward and be like, all right, this is the new norm.

You know, you can't do this. You can't do this. I think there's something else going on with fish. Um, there's a thing. That's one example though. It is. Like just everything. But I should just say that in the culture of fly fishing, it's more common and respected

to catch and release than I would say any other type of fishing. Yeah. I prefer spin reel fishing. fishing. Yeah, I prefer some real fishing Yeah, well, I like more. I like eating when I catch I think something weird and I've gone catch release fishing before I have done it before it is fun, but there's something about Catching and then eating it that day. That's extremely satisfying. And then also it's like I know it's legal to catch and release I know it's legal, but should release. I know it's legal. But should it be? I mean, what are you doing?

You playing a little game? I could have killed you, but I'm going to let you go. You're playing like unwilling. Joe, don't get sued. You're playing like, you're playing unwilling jujitsu with like some dudes at a parking lot.

They just grab it. I'm just coming to kill you. I'm not. It's like, let you go. Take care, buddy. Like you've decided to fuck with that fish's day. Don't they know? They start to learn.

They're like, I'm not falling for that shit again. They're not that smart. We're assuming they're that smart. I think if you make something that looks like a fly, they just jump on it. Yeah. You know? I can relate. It is a mask.

Do you jump on flies? No, I bow to my instincts. Flag fishing is badass. Don't get me wrong. It's an art form. It's a mask. Do you jump on flies? You know, I bow to my instincts. Fly fishing is badass. Don't get me wrong. It's an art form. It's really interesting. Like, I've watched really good fly fishermen. There's something about it with a strip in that line.

They're gently plopping that cast. There's something about it. No, there's a technique. Let it hunt. Let it hunt. Oh, Johnny Stickfish. Mend it upstream. Let it hunt.

Mend it upstream. Let it hunt. And the thing, well, I like fly fishing a lot. I do prefer spin reel fishing. Is it just preference? But it is. It's like ballet. It's like the ballet for the river. Like hibachi grills.

Everybody has a different favorite kind of fishing. My favorite kind of fishing was always bass fishing. Because they're just such an American animal. Its face is way too big. It's got a giant mouth. You mean a large mouth bass. Yeah, a large mouth bass.

Even a small mouth bass has a face that's way too big. Small mouth bass still has a big fucking mouth. You know, it's just, it's relative. It's all relative. But that's an American kind of fishing. You know, you're throwing like a crankbait on a lily pad, and you're pulling it off the lily pad, and moving it through the water,

and you see this explosion of water and this fucking steroided up bruiser. That's what I like about it. That's what I like about the spin reel. And also, there's a little more variety, personally, for spin reel fishing. You can fly fishing. You're on the surface. You're mostly catching trout. Trout are great. Love trout, personally, for spin reel fishing. You can, you know, fly fishing, you're on the surface.

You're mostly catching trout. Not, like, trout are great. Love trout. It's for rich white guys. Let's be honest. It's for a few weird lesbians and rich white guys. Your words. Your words.

Do not speak to this. You're hilarious. That's just doing it. It's like guys who are looking for peace and quiet and doing shit their wife doesn't want to do. They're putting on rubber pants and they're trying to get away from their wife. Oh my God. Peace and quiet out here. Peace and quiet.

As they jerk off into the ravine. Bass fishing is like you're listening to Johnny Cash songs drinking beer. Yeah. And casting.

Let's play a song. Casting rubber worms. I want to play a song. What do you want to play? I don't know. What do you want to play? Can I make a request? Oh, shit.

Can I request L.A. River? This is going to get sloppy. No, okay. I literally have to look up the lyrics. Really? That's your song. I know. You don't understand.

There's so many songs between them. Okay. How about Angel of Death? That would be super nostalgic. Okay. This is the song I first heard from you guys. You got me three whiskeys in. I was only supposed to have one.

How good is Young Jamie? So good. Busted out the lyrics. Let's give Joe both songs because he wants them. He's got L.A. River queued up and ready to rock. Are you pissed at me now? This is such a... Don't get insecure with each other on my show. This is Joe's space. It's my space Don't get insecure with each other on my show. This is Joe Space.

Space. I hate that word, by the way. I hate that word. When people are talking about in this space. Fuck you. You're playing games. You're playing games with words. In this space.

What space is this? This is Joe Space, Joe. Space around the human race on Earth. Joe Space Force? In this space? Ask me what show I'm obsessed with right now. Space Force. Space Force. Oh. In this space. Ask me what show I'm obsessed with right now. Space Force.

Space Force. Are you really? Oh, so good. So good. Okay, now I have to watch because I read a terrible review. No, it's hilarious. I'm not super feeling it.

Fuck you. I'm just weighing in. I think it's amazing. Also, Ben Schwartz. I couldn't follow up with it. Big fan. Big fan. Just saying.

Listen, can't he have his own opinion? Yeah. Can Can't he have his own opinion? Yeah. Can our friend Ben have his own opinion? Totally. Totally. Why did you shame his opinion? Let me just abuse you in private.

But this is not about a critical issue. This shows how tribal people are. We're only talking about a television show about my sense of identity here. You know what we're doing? You're going to act aggressive about his views on a sitcom. Sit with it, Sue. Sit with it. I'm going to slur my words and I don't care. I'm going to tell you. Fight him back. The alcohol's

free. We're really accepting each other. Our differences. That's important. No, I'm here to help. You're allowed to not like Space Force. You're allowed to not like it. I respect that. I feel like I can't even watch it now because I love both of you and. You're allowed to not like it. I respect that. I feel like I can't even watch it now because I love both of you

and I don't want to pick a side. No, see, you can feel however you feel, though, Joe. That's the thing. I'm going to listen to Suzanne. No. Wait a second. I'm going to try not to mess this up. I'm really slurring my words.

I'm going to listen to Suzanne on everything other than Space Force. That's all that's important to me, which is weird. You got one of your candles here. I just noticed it. I know. I don't think he's lit it. Big Lebowski. Big Lebowski. Big Lebowski, yes or no? Great film.

100%. Love it. Obsessed. You can be my friend. That's what it took. How deep in our... Is this like an hour and a half, two hours? How are we doing? It's four o'clock. Ken, why are you keeping time?

Because I'm about to smoke weed. Oh shit! Can we play first? Otherwise things get weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Angel of Death? Oh my god. Angel of Death. Angel of Death. Early river-

You don't have to play first. Oh shit. No, I can't- Joe, fuck it. I'll get just that. This is bad. This is gonna be- I'm so scared. That's that Elon Musk weed, son. Oh, shit. What do you mean when you say that?

He smoked it or he made it? He smoked that when he figured out how to connect that SpaceX thing to the space station. No. What? This is the stuff that killed his stock by 6%. He'll be fine. It didn't really. He bounced back instantly.

It's just people panicking. He's a super genius. We should go with a raised deck because it's so much higher now than it was then. Yes. He bounced back instantly. It's just people panicking. He's a super genius. We should go with a raised dick because it's so much higher now than it was then. Way higher. Yes. Well, I think every time he talks in long form, his stock goes up. He's just got to understand who he is. Trust me.

Okay? Don't trust me on everything, but trust me. Leave that guy alone. Leave that guy alone. Give him all the encouragement you can. He's doing crazy shit. Yeah. He's not trying to harm anybody.

He's trying to build tunnels that shoot you all the way to Las Vegas. He's trying to make electric cars that go zero to 60 in one and a half seconds. He's trying to put us on Mars. Positive support. Keep helping him. You have to watch Space Force for Elon. Don't troll Elon Musk. I'm not. Anybody who. Keep helping him. You have to watch Space Force for Elon. Don't troll Elon Musk. I'm not.

Anybody who does that, like, please. I know you can. He's about to quit Twitter again. You fucks. Yes. No, no, no. Right? Am I right?

Yeah. He's about to quit Twitter again. Leave him alone, you fucks. Maybe that's okay. Save him, Joe. Joe, if there's anyone who can save him, it's you. Well, I don't know how much he listens to me. Oh, Joe. Joe, if there's anyone who can save him, it's you. Well, I don't know how much he listens to me.

Oh, shit. I wouldn't listen to me if I was him. If I was him, it would be like if my 10-year-old came to me with some really good advice, I'd have to put that shit through a long filter. 10-year-old. So you're Elon's 10-year-old. Telling what to do when you're 50. Exactly. Got it.

Same thing. Basically the same thing. If I come to him with an idea, he's going to be like, oh, cool. Yeah. Call you back. He's so chill. Like, I listened to the last podcast, and he's just so calm. He's a good guy.

I enjoy being in his presence. Yeah. He's a very nice person. That's awesome. Despite being – and there was a weird moment, like the first podcast we did where I asked him. I said uh i go what is going on your head i go what is it what i'm like what is it like being you because i could tell you can tell when you're talking to him right it's almost like you're talking to someone who had

if you imagine that the mind is like every other part of the body we've all seen people that have ridiculous body parts right we've all seen people that have ridiculous body parts. Right? We've all seen people that were born with enormous breasts. Right? Right. Don't I know it. Every day. How crazy is that it? That's just a random.

Right, right, right. Some dudes are born with enormous noses, enormous feet, enormous dicks. It's just weird, random. You've got to think the same thing happens with the brain. Big toes. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Sometimes the brain comes out just some supercharged yeah 1000 horsepower hybrid engine and you're like holy shit let him drill let him drill yeah let him get us to mars you can't get to mars marty let him let him get us to mars yeah that's

what it's like that's how i feel with that guy i'm like like, just be nice to him. Be nice to him and let him do whatever the fuck he wants. Yeah, and I listened to some of that podcast too, and it was interesting to see because he said something that stuck with me. You're talking about his decision to sell all his houses. Yeah. And he says people see that as an attack vector. Yes. And I was like, dang. Yeah.

That says a lot about his narrative and his feel of the world. He's the real deal, folks. You've got to listen to me. He'll go down in history. He's not a perfect person. No one is. He does flare up. He got mad at that guy who was criticizing him in that Thailand thing and he got sued for it. No one who's

human is perfect. But he's trying to do amazing things for technology, for the environment, for the human race, for the propagation of the species. Like he really thinks that we need to plan ahead and make colonies on Mars so that the human race can survive because he doesn't think it could totally survive on Earth. He's like, there's a high likelihood that something can go wrong. And he's right.

When you see what happened with the pandemic, that was was a minor there was a dress rehearsal for a real event and and we failed miserably we panicked there was no talk of the immune system all the talk was like oh protect yourself put a mask on rub your gloves sanitize there was all this crazy talk and then at the end of that emerging, we're realizing this is not correct. They all had probably our best interest in mind. But human beings are human. They fuck up. They're not right all

the time. We're all trying to figure this out together. When is it going to be okay to have that, though? When is it going to be okay to fuck up? It just appears to not be okay. You have to be honest. You just do it anyway. It doesn't matter. You have to be honest. Well, you just do it anyway. It doesn't matter if it's true or not.

You have to be honest and you have to stay away from any sort of forum where someone can judge you in a dishonest way. So if you're honest and someone is judging you on Twitter, if they're saying something to you

in type on Twitter, something mean and nasty to you, like we were talking about earlier, before, about people who are bullies and people who are bullies like send you things. And like when someone does something like that, it's a function of the limitations of the system that you're working in.

You're working in this weird thing where you're agreeing to type things. You're not even saying them. You're just writing it out and putting a period there. I don't even know what the sound your voice was making. You've broken things down to some real weird thing. And also there's no accountability for what you're saying. You can't say it in front of me. Like, you told me you would take me to the moon.

Like, what the fuck are you talking about? There's no, you know what I'm saying? So any kind of conflict that anybody gets online, part of the problem is it's a shitty way to interact with people. It's just super limited. It doesn't make any sense to me personally. I recently this weekend opened up my Instagram to talk to people. And I talked to like maybe like 100 people over the weekend just like via voice message and video message.

hundred people over the weekend just like the voice message and video message and every conversation I had whether I was met with adverse opinions um was peaceful and like because we got to hear each other's voices and I don't want to fight with anybody like that there was a rule of like if you're going to be nasty I'm not going to respond to you but if you want to talk to me about your opinions and the the progress that I felt like I was I made for myself just in trying to understand things that I could never understand because of who I am and where I come from, it was so valuable. But per what you just said, like I got to hear people's voices and look into their eyes and talk to them, complete strangers. And it felt like something to do that wasn't just reposting things. And that has its purpose as well. But I got to actually talk to people

that had something to say. And it was great. And all the trolls that like to comment without having any, like you're not going to fucking get anywhere. I didn't hear from those people. And I really wanted to. That's a good forum though. You're actually talking. You. And I really wanted to. That's a good forum though.

You're actually talking, you're talking, they're talking. That's a good forum. Even if you're doing that just like a FaceTime thing. It wasn't exhausting either. I had all this energy afterwards. I felt fueled.

I was inspired. I didn't like, if you're going to hate on me, sorry, see you later. But if you have, if you want to try and meet in the middle, that's where something is going to get done.

And I posted a couple things, and people are so angry. What did you post that got people angry? I posted a few things. I posted... All Lives Matter? No, fuck you. I posted a photo...

You dick. Could you imagine? No! But dick. Could you imagine? No. Yes, I can. Could you imagine if I ran up to you in like 1995 and I said, listen, one day. One day. Exactly. One day if you write all lives matter, people will kick your ass.

No, that is hilarious. That is fucking nuts. I keep thinking about that. If you'd have told me when I was a kid that in 2020 we're going to... Just imagine that phrase. Imagine a fucking Orwellian reality where that phrase

could get your ass kicked. You're like, wait, what? What? For real? Our language is changing. Yes. But we have to be careful because the same way cops have power, people who want to control your language have power. It's all power. We shouldn't have magic words. Words should convey intent.

And as soon as you have some words that have an extra abracadabra to them, they get abused. Any kind of magic word, any forbidden word. I'm against forbidden words. I'm not against the sentiment that's attached to good or bad words. I want you to be able to accurately express yourself so I can't play games with what you're saying. So you say something to me and it seems valid, but then you say the word pussy or something like that.

Oh, well, now I discredit everything you said because you said a magic word that you can't use in my accepted version of speech. That's what I'm worried about. I'm worried it's a sneaky backdoor for people to control conversations and pretend they understand what your intent is. Language is supposed to just be noises. You just have to have so much patience. And that brings me back to Elon Musk.

Here we go. One of the things that he said was that you're going to be able to talk without using words. He did say that. He's going to drill holes in people's heads and shoot wires in there. No, no, no. I like talking. I just love talking. It's like the acoustic guitar.

Old fashioned. Talking is like the acoustic guitar of communication. No. Neat. Well, we do that stuff all the time anyway. We need acoustic guitars, my point. Oh, my God. You heard it here, people.

You thought they were gone. They're back. Yes. All right? You know, some people really enjoy traditional archery. They want to, like, shoot a bow. Totally do. Fucking Robin Hood.

Yeah. I've never done that. And dress up like a Jew. You've never shot a bow? No, but can I? Yes. You know why you should? Because you look like you could be Geena Davis's daughter.

Fucking. Comes back around. She's beautiful. Geena Davis's daughter. Fucking. Comes back around. She's beautiful. Geena Davis is beautiful. I know, I love her. And when I was an actor, I remember auditioning for a part for her daughter and I didn't get it.

I was good. I was good enough. I was good enough, those idiots. 100% you could be Geena Davis's daughter. And Geena Davis is a serious archer. What? Yes. Like really, really good.

Cool. Like amazing. Like there's videos of her online she got obsessed with archery she was learning it for I believe it was a film role and so she got really obsessed with archery shit remember that pirate one okay moving on I told you about Zoolander no it wasn't Zoolander I just don't remember so much but it was another movie I only have so much room Ben forget I said

no but Gina Davis is I loved her in The Fly The Fly Jeff Goldblum Jeff Goldblum The Fly is one of the greatest horror movies of all time when people talk about

horror movies there she is she's re I'm telling you look at this at 41 landed in the US Olympic trials just before the 2000 games in Sydney she did it on a whim became obsessed with it 60 year

old actress admit a league of their own is one of my dude she's amazing hey Thelma and Louise step the fuck off hey what okay Gina Davis doing archery but you got to see how she does it. Sometimes someone who's a badass at one thing will get really interested in something else. And it's interesting that you see. Look at that. Bro, Geena Davis is a fucking serious archer.

Like, you watch her. I love you, Geena Davis. Look at this. Look at this form. That is very Suze-ish. Dude, look at this. She's shooting a fucking arrow through very Suze-ish. Dude, her... Look at this. She's shooting a fucking arrow through three balls. And she's dressed in the Peaches uniform.

Suck my dick. That's a leak of their own. It's back. And not only that, she shot that dude in the head. She doesn't give a fuck. It's a rubber dude. Relentless. But she's also...

She doesn't give a fuck. She's also doing traditional archery. And what I mean by that is she doesn't have... She's got a gun. She's got a gun, too. And what I mean by that is she doesn't have... Oh! She's got a gun. She's got a gun, too. Don't fuck with Gina Davis. But she uses a recurve.

So it's not a compound bow. A compound bow, like what a lot of bow hunters use... Is she wearing a mustache? That's like an old school bow. That's a modern version of an old school bow. She just shoots it again. She's releasing it. Oh, she's going Gallagher. Hilarious. Anyway, shout out to Gina Davis. That's so cool.

Yeah, she got into archery and she found out that a lot of people, what a lot of people found out ever since the beginning of time, there's something really weird. It's really satisfying about releasing an arrow and watching it land on a target. It doesn't have to be. You could be a total vegan and enjoy archery.

Archery is a sport for everyone just like yoga. There's something to it. Yoga sport? Like fishing. When you catch a fish, you know how you catch a fish? It taps into some sort of ancient DNA. It's the same thing with archery. There's something about it.

When you watch that arrow there's but I think it has to do with the fact that throughout human history for like thousands of years that was the best way to kill your dinner.

You had to have a bow and arrow until they figured out guns. So that shit is still in our system. See I think it's a tension release thing. I think that's a natural human

we're attracted to that in everything in so much of our communication back to music. Boom. I think it's that too. So We're attracted to that in everything, in so much of our communication. Back to music. Boom. So much of communication in music is just tension and release. I think that as well. But I think there's many factors at play.

But I think one of the factors is the DNA. For sure, one of the factors is that too. I think there's a lot of factors. There's also the complexity, like the game, the puzzle factor. Like one of the things that people like about catching a fish is the same thing they like about beating someone at sorry. You know what I'm saying? Like you want to win

the game. Come on, bitch. Come on, bitch. Take the bait. Oh, motherfucker! Totally. That's what it is. There's a strategy involved. Yeah, there's a skill set. Yeah. It's all taps into our human reward system that is designed to reward us for the behavior that makes us more likely to survive.

Particularly when we're living in a place where we can get eaten, which is most of the human history. The eaten days. I think the eaten days are a big part of our DNA. I think that's a big, for real. Our fear response and all that. Fight and fight, yeah. You know, there's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake that was talking about this,

and one of the things he was saying is that... Oh, the fields. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Morphic residents. Morphic residents. All of us is connected. We were on tour with Jake Bug, and his tour manager was obsessed with Rupert Sheldrake,

and then he was talking about these... Sorry, I go... No, I was just going to say that one other thing We were on tour with Jake Bug, and his tour manager was obsessed with Rupert Sheldrake. And he was talking about these—sorry, go. No, I was just going to say that one other thing that he said that's really fascinating. He said that things have a memory to them and that he believes that maybe even objects have memory to them. And one of the things that he was talking about is that children who live in New York City, they're not afraid of child molesters or car accidents. They're afraid of monsters. They're all afraid of monsters. Because we used to have cats, big cats. That's what everybody was afraid of.

Everybody's afraid of the thing in the dark that gets you. Because that's what kept killing people all throughout history. That's where all the werewolf movies come from. that the wolves are so smart they must be part human. They're really smart. Wolves are really smart. And they ate people forever until we figured out how to make houses. They just ate us. Yeah.

And dogs. And all these things are, well, they are dogs. Right. But all these things are programmed into us. And you don't realize that until you're out actually in the woods. And all those things are turned on again. It's like, kick on system three, four, and five. Like three, four, and five.

This bitch lives in the Bronx. Coyotes near Griffith Park. I lived near Griffith Park. And I saw one maybe 100 yards away. And it couldn't give a fuck. No, it bayed. It went off. What?

And the hairs on the back of my neck. It was a feeling I hadn't felt before. I've never seen a wolf in the wild. Did you thirst for its blood? I of my neck. It was a feeling I hadn't felt before. I've never seen a wolf in the wild. Did you thirst for its blood? I offered my blood as a sign of compassion. That's weird. I've never seen a wolf in the wild that I'm absolutely sure of. I saw one.

I was with my friend Cam Haynes in Alberta, and we saw one walking across this dirt road. We're pretty sure it was a wolf. It was pretty big. It was like dog-sized. Yeah. Which is like when you get to anywhere around dog-sized, like 70, 80 pounds, you know you're not dealing with a coyote anymore, probably, especially in the woods.

And there's a lot of wolves up there. But that's, if there's any animal that I would love to, like, if I could just fucking follow them around with a drone and just watch them live their lives without me having any idea I was there, just watch a wolf for a week. You know? Yeah. Isn't that amazing? That would give you a sense of what, we have this fucking weird Pixar ideology when it comes to wildlife.

I think even if you're watching a documentary, how close were you? Where are these animals? Our instincts have been muted like we are in a digital age of self-obsession narcissism and like people don't like kids don't play outside anymore they don't like go like the the population the you know the population for like you know ranch life or getting to to integrate with nature and your own instincts is very small. Very small. And back to New York, talking about people not fearing getting hit by a car, all that stuff. It's a product of environment, and our environments are so digital.

And I think about my childhood a lot and how, like, you know, we just went and played outside. I grew up outside Cleveland in the suburbs. And, you know, there'd be, like, a bunch of kids. And, you know, you'd get hurt. You'd get stitches. You'd get cut or whatever. But we were creative. Like, I never wore shoes for, like, months at a time in the summer.

Oh, you got hookworm. And then probably. You got that hookworm. Fuck you. I never got hookworm. Unbelievable. I never got head, you got hookworm. And then probably... Fuck you. I never got hookworm. I never got head lice or hookworm, so thank you very much. You know what makes people dumb? No, does it?

Hookworm? Oh, dude. Oh, shit. I hate to do this again because we just talked about it like last week. Don't scare me because I got cats and I was so afraid of the parasites. No, no, that's different. That's toxoplasmosis. I know. But hookworms, this is a real thing and I'm sorry for anybody who's heard this before, but I have to afraid of the parasites. No, no, that's different. That's toxoplasmosis. I know. But hookworms, this is a real thing, and I'm sorry for anybody who's heard this before, but I have to bring it up again. Hookworms are responsible for the stereotype of the dumb southerner.

Really? Yes. Come on. No, for real. That's because they didn't fucking wash their hands. No, no, no. It had nothing to do with that. No?

It was walking barefoot. Stop it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Walking barefoot. People were infected by hookworms, and hookworms are a parasite that affects brain function. Okay. It drains people of their energy.

And pull this shit up. Uh-oh. Do I have hookworm? Because it'll freak you out. It thrives in regions of extreme poverty. Poor sanitation affects some 740 million people worldwide. That's a lot of people. But hookworm, just Google hookworm.

Do I have hookworm? What do I do? Oh, God. Dumb southern stereotype. Google that real quick. Oh, here it is. How a worm gave the south a bad name. So this is really all about.

Yeah, yeah. I'm trying. If you've heard this before, you're like, Joe, I'm going to fucking know this story. Bro, I love you. You got to listen. There's a lot of people listening to this podcast that haven't heard this. And this like joe i'm gonna fucking know this story i bro i love you you gotta listen there's a lot of people listening to this podcast that haven't heard this and this is like really important shit there's reasons for some stereotypes and when you're like hey well trump's gonna get us through this and you're doing a dumb southern accent you must be on the hookworm

this is why you're doing a dumb southern accent because there's a prejudice there's a prejudice that we have my toes itch oh no but listen this happened it was up to 40 percent of the population stretching from like texas to scroll down a little bit the coper texas to west population stretching from southern texas to west virginia hookworms stymied development throughout the region and bred stereotypes about lazy moronic southerners while the south eventually rid itself of hookworms those parasites cost the region decades of development and bred widespread misconception about the people who lived there yet hookworm has not been defeated for good

today hundreds of millions of people in dozens of nations around the world suffer from hookworm infection. The South experience, measured in both successes and pitfalls, can provide a rough blueprint of how to seek out and quash this American murderer no matter where it's found around the world. Imagine that. Imagine that. Every time I hear things like this, I'm like, I have hookworm. Ah, fuck. Slow down. Let's pause this.

Can we pause, please? Just imagine all the stereotypes we have about the South. Why would it be dumb to live in a place where it doesn't snow? Like, why are they dumb? Right, right. That's fair. That's totally solid point, sir. All those fucking people in Minneapolis and Illinois, they're fine.

But they don't have hookworm. Right. There's fucking something stupid about people that live where it never snows. You assholes can't even get out of your driveway until you've shoveled that bitch. And then you're driving on this bullshit ass slippery road. And you want to say this dude who lives in a place with alligators is dumb? Come on. Are you sure? A lot of other factors though too, Joe.

What are the factors, Ben? Other factors in the south as far as... We don't have to get into that. Take out all that other stuff. Reconstruction, slavery. But listen, this is one of the things that I really want. I think they might be connected. Sure. If that many might be connected. Sure.

If that many people down there had it, I think it's really likely that it affected their ability to decide what's right and wrong where the rest of the world had moved on. I think there's a real argument for that. I think that's absolutely worth exploring. But there's cultures around the world who have had slavery that weren't connected. But still do. Or maybe still do. Yeah.

You know, where... For sure. So there's just something in humans where they're able to adapt to the situation. It says, hookworms aren't endemic to Americas, having likely arrived in the U.S. in the 17th century,

unwittingly imported with the Atlantic slave trade. What the heck? Until the early 20th century, however, most in the U.S. did not know what a hookworm was. How do you get it? That millions of those parasites inhabited the guts of people throughout the South. So you get it from not wearing shoes? Hookworm symptoms were written off as simply being indicative of Southerners' backward character.

That's crazy. That's crazy. Because you really have to stop and think about it. Like, oh, those people in the South are dumb. Why? They're people. People are smart as fuck. People figure out how to put satellites in space.

It lets you get better VCR or whatever. Better VCR for everybody. They docked on the space station. So we can watch Zoolander. They're living in the sky. Oh, my God. They're living in the sky They're living in the sky For a year you fuck Some people are dumb as shit but some people aren't

Why? Well a big part of it Might be these fucking parasites We might have a fucked up View of human beings We might be behind the curve God this is blowing my mind It's like no I'm just like, question,

how do you get hookworm? Just walking around. You can get it from a lot of places. Through your skin? Yeah, it goes through your skin. It's transdermal. It's transdermal? Yeah, yeah. It's what you said, poor sanitation and stuff like that? Sure.

Poor sanitation. Look, throughout history, here it that? Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poor sanitation. Look, throughout history, here it goes, contracted by direct contact with feces, as unseemly as in the South, unsurprisingly, wanted no association with such a disease. Oh, my gosh. So they just kind of buried it. No, it says they're not on board in the beginning. Yeah, the idea of hookworms, parasites that live within the body and are contracted by direct contact with feces. So they tried because they're proud.

They're proud people. Look, there's a thing that I listened to. I think it was on, I forget the podcast. It might have been NPR. But they were radio lab where they were talking about the South. And one of the reasons why the South is what it is is they have this sort of honor tradition. of the reasons why the South is what it is, is they have this sort of honor tradition. And it's like a different way of looking based on the people that initially- Like the Scotch-Irish?

Yeah. Based on the people that initially arrived in that area. And there's so many factors. And again, you could take this out of context and say I'm some sort of an apologist for racism. I'm not. But I think you absolutely have to think that all those people down there, whether it's the people that were the slaves,

the people that are slave owners, all those people most likely had a lot. There was a giant percentage of those people that had that hookworm. And who knows how much that affected just the whole region, the culture. There's always going to be a problem when someone can force someone to work for free. And that's what slavery is. You're forcing someone to work for free.

You're controlling them. You're owning them. There's always going to be a problem with that. People always have a problem if they can get away with shit. If they can get away with shit, they'll fucking do it. But if they can get away with shit

and also they're dumb and also their brains are depleted by a parasite. They're impaired by this thing. So the rest of the world is saying, hey man, maybe we shouldn't have slaves anymore. They're like, I'm a fucking fat little white bride. I'm a fat little white man. They got a fucking

69 Charger and a Confederate flag belt buckle. Fuck the Charger. Watch the Charger sales go down. Joe Rogan Joe destroys Chargers No listen I'm a giant Mopar fan

Everybody knows that That's a dope car But that's the Dukes of Hazzard car With the confederate flag On the roof Yeah I mean it was a 68

Or a 69 Charger I think it was a 69 And uh But that confederate flag Do you know that That show they can't Have on TV anymore Dukes of Hazzard

It's not on TV anymore Because of that flag. The flag's offensive. It is. It's fucking offensive. I wish it wasn't. I wish we got to a point where there was no racism. We can have a Confederate flag and people are like

who gives a fuck? Put it on. I don't know if it's going to work out that way. It might not ever, but maybe a thousand years from now. Maybe a thousand years from now. Maybe a thousand years from now. Just how we go back and we read the Sumerian text. A thousand years from now, they'll be so woke. They can just watch a Dukes of Harrison episode and go, oh, the first Daisy Dukes. There it is.

This is the original Daisy Duke. Yeah. Or the people a thousand years ago from now were like, swastikas are cool. Yeah, I was just going to say, there's a Hitler metaphor in here. Oh, shit. That went wrong. Have you seen the meme of a child with his hands over his head

leaning down like kids in the future trying to remember for history class what happened in 2020? Oh, no. That's hilarious. Fuck, no. It's a kid going, oh! Oh, my God. You posted something the other day, and I started that's hilarious fuck no it's a kid going oh my god why you posted something

the other day and I started following the account it was like Lil Duval is that right Lil Duval is the best follow

during the pandemic it's so funny and like right on point where there's there's a woman like going like this and it's like

what what area of revelations am I looking at now or something like that it's fucking hilarious which chapter of revelations am I looking at now or something like that? It's fucking hilarious. Which chapter of revelations are we doing today? My mom said this to me the other day because, you know, they're also alive right now. My mom was like, in her beautiful Cleveland accent, she's like, you know what?

If a bunch of weird bugs start flying out of the sky, I won't be surprised. And I was like, me too, mom. I'm not going to be surprised either. It's getting weirder every fucking day. Are you optimistic? Yeah. You think we can pull through? I think we can.

I think just the nature, the fact that so many people are protesting. I think we're dismantling things that haven't worked for a long time and I don't know what the answers are but we're bulldozing this shit. And I am hopeful that as a collective people

we will work towards cohesion and peace. We got a lot of white guilt we gotta work through. These fucking videos of these people that are on their knees bowing. Have you seen this?

It's like a church. They're basically apologizing to this group of black people about all racism that's ever occurred. It's hard. It's so hard. I told Ben this the other day and then he kind of laughed at me, and then I realized that, oh, I'm sorry.

I don't want to say anything. What are you about to say? Well, like, I went for a walk in my neighborhood, and, like, and this was on Saturday. This was when things were super heated. They still are, but it was, like, kind of like, oh, my God, like, the Grove is on fire. Mozza, one of my favorite restaurants, gone it's charred you know and and Saturday mozo yeah it's gone yeah they fucking burned oh no that's one of my favorite restaurants too well too bad how dare you make fun of that but I don't mean to make fun of it that's the whiskey talking

it is oh my bad I'm so sorry no No, seriously. I bet they'll come back around. They'll come back. They'll make a pizza again. Allegedly. Pass that whiskey. Coming at ya. I'm scared. I'm sad now. But I was walking around the Silver Lake Reservoir, and I told Ben, I had this, like, you know, every black person I passed, I just, like, I felt more love for them than I have. I mean, I always feel love for everybody. That's the truth.

Well, maybe it's just awareness. I just felt so aware. No, I always feel love for everybody. That's the truth. But I just, I just, I just felt so aware of like, like their, their road is different than mine right now. And I also want them to know like, Hey, I'm standing up for you. But also not every black person wants that.

They're like, get the fuck away from me. And I'm like, you know, like there. And so in terms of white guilt, like I don't have white guilt, but I have white awareness and I feel aware and I'm trying to step carefully and not hurt anybody's feelings because I don't want to do that.

Listen, you are in no way, shape or form a racist. And I think the problem is the the idea that you are to prove you not. I think you're a beautiful person. You're a great person. Just keep doing you. And if you see black folks and you guys make eye contact and they know what the fuck is going on in the world and you know what the fuck is going on in the world,

just say, what's up? And they say, what's up? And everybody feels good. That's a real thing with people. There's a weird thing when you run into people and you don't know and you go, what's up? And they go, hey, what's up? And everybody's good. It's good for everybody. That's what we all need to do into people and you don't know. And you go, what's up? And they go, hey, what's up? And everybody's good.

It's good for everybody. Yeah. That's what we all need to do. We all need to do it. That guy's not us. That cop that did that, that's not us. No. That's a sick person.

That's a sick person. Yeah. One of the reasons why we're so angry about that man killing George Floyd is because we know in the darkest of darkest regions of all of our minds that is humanly possible for someone to do. We know that, and we hope and pray it's not possible for us to do, or anyone we know, or anyone we love. Could you imagine if that was your son? Can you imagine if your son was on television,

leaning on this man's neck for eight minutes and 40 seconds? You'd be like, what the fuck? What? You'd be like, what did I do wrong? What did I do wrong that I made a monster? Fuck! Imagine watching that. Imagine just freaking out while you put someone into the world

that leaned on someone's neck until they died. Every person. And this is one of the weird parts of being a parent. But also, what if they propagated that mentality? Like, what if that were the thing? Like, you know, not to throw this into the arena, but things I've been reading are like, you know, white supremacy infiltration into the police force. And that fucking terrifies me.

Look, any white supremacy is awful. Any racism is awful. But what I'm more interested in than any of that is like what gets a person to be that fucked up? Whether it's racist or murderous or ruthless or deceptive or stealing. What gets a person? That's what we need to concentrate on. Instead of getting mad at the people that fuck up and do terrible shit,

which is all justified, but we really need to trace this back publicly. Like, what is making a cop kill someone by leaning on his neck for eight and a half minutes or almost nine minutes? It's a mental health issue. It is. Yeah, 100%. It is. It's a mental health issue. It is. Yeah, 100%.

It is. It's also a developmental issue. A person, when you're 35 years old, you're kind of an equation. There's a lot of you that is just an accumulated gathering of experiences and your interpretation of those experiences along with your genetics, your neighborhood, your family, all the expectations people have on you, and then boom, here you are. It's an equation.

Yeah, it is. I mean, back to the whole... We all are. And a huge part, I mean, we're all talking about it and saying it, but obviously a huge part of that equation is the system we grew up in, which happens to be fucking racist in a lot of ways, or at least has had trouble dealing with that issue from the very beginning. Here's what I would say.

It's not even. You know, when you have these neighborhoods that are traditionally, they're suppressed. Like when you're talking about Baltimore, I had this guy, Michael Wood, on the podcast. He was a cop in Baltimore. It was one of the weirdest moments of the podcast ever, where he was a cop in the early 2000s, if I remember correctly, or somewhere in the 2000s. And he found this piece of paper that was a docket of all the crimes from the 1970s. It was all the same shit in the same areas. 1970s. It was all the same shit in the same

areas. So here he is risking his life out there with a gun, wading into crime, trying to arrest people, and then he finds this piece of paper that says, oh, this is systemic racism. And then he finds out about the red line laws. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you ever see Do the Right Thing, the Spike Lee movie? Oh, yeah.

For sure. Same exact thing. Yeah, exactly. Cop chokes a guy out and kills him. And that was 30 years ago. I mean, obviously, this is going on hundreds of years. But the point is... Dude, dude, dude. Look, I know a lot of cops, and a lot of them are great people.

But they're a lot like soldiers. It's not a normal request to ask people to be life or death every day. And when you ask people to be life or death every day for a job, you better make sure that you get a Navy SEAL. You better make sure you get an Army Ranger. You better make sure you get someone who has gone through...

You don't want them. You gotta read the horrible shit. They killed babies, bro. They were ruthless. Bad choice, man. They used to roast babies over the fire slowly in front of their parents. Difficult situation. Difficult context for those people. Not a good thing.

If they caught you, they tortured you. They were the kings of torture. I'd like a quick death. Yeah, you don't want to command your death. Me personally. I'm telling you, Empire of the Summer Moon. It's an incredible book. Just get the audio book.

Listen to the first week of it and you'll be like, holy fuck. Just like, you know, take it with you like when you drive to the store or whatever the fuck you do. Because I just go to the store. Have you been going out? Have you been hiding? No, I've been doing stuff. I've been building furniture.

Are you starting to move back into society again? Yeah. Yeah. I hang out with my friends. Coronavirus seems to be less of an issue. I, okay. I am cognizant of the coronavirus. The only people I know that have gotten it are in New York.

I work out. I walk. I go to the grocery store. I go to my friend's house and I build furniture. You're building furniture? Yeah, I'm building some furniture. Wow. Yeah.

Are you building it, like, do you have a design? Yeah, building some furniture. Wow. Yeah. Are you building it? Like, do you have a design? Yeah, yeah. I have a walnut shelf I'm building that goes under my TV. Are you a carpenter? No. How do you know how to do this? You figure it out. It's not that hard.

Yeah, it's not that hard. That's so cool. I mean, my friends have the tools, so I'm really lucky to use them. Like, I don't own that stuff. But yeah, I mean, it's not that hard. And it's really gratifying to make your own stuff. And that's something I've really gotten into just to, you know, keep myself entertained and busy. Yeah.

Well, that's a good thing. That's a good way of using your energy. Yeah. Right? Your energy comes to fork in the road. We're all of a sudden live touring. Stop. Oh, that.

Can't go anywhere joe it haunts me when i was on here with gary because we were literally talking about what does the world look like without live music and i'm like bullshit that you can never replace live music and here we are and i've been doing these live shows i i started doing like zoom sessions on my website as like you know supplemental income and also just to like have that experience with people because any live stream I do is just you're literally fucking looking at yourself and then comments underneath. And I don't get to have this experience where I'm sitting across from someone even did digitally where, you know, it's it's it's like.

Nailed it. What is that? Didn't nail it. Totally didn't nail it. like... Nailed it. What is that? Didn't nail it. Totally didn't nail it. Do you want a lighter? Do you want a cave person? Love you. To everyone watching, I didn't catch that.

Do you want a blunt? Or do you want to use a joint? Dadgrass. Yeah, this is... Is that my dadgrass? That's some bullshit designed by the man to make you sleepy. Hey, it doesn't make you sleepy. It makes you cool and chill.

You know what I mean? It's like a blend so I don't get completely. Don't hurt me, Joe. Put that down. God damn it. I will bow to this. No, no, no. Let me smoke my.

Oh, my God. There's a joint off. Jamie, there's a joint off. Here, you smoke a little bit of this. I'll smoke a little bit of that. Agreed. Split screen. Split screen, split screen. Boys are firing up the joints.

I haven't smoked anything, but I will later. I'm already so drunk. Look, we all have an obligation. Show that smoking pot and drinking whiskey is not for bad people. We're all good people. We're nice to each other. We love each other. We get high together. We really do. Love you. We're nice to each other. We love each other. We get high together. We really do.

This is so much fun. I love you too. I'm so happy. When you texted me, first of all, when I saw on Instagram... That was like hyper speed. I literally said, oh shit! And I immediately texted you. We were like, ah, let's just take this slow. Fuck you.

We dip our toe in a fucking tsunami. Joe Tech. Okay, it goes like this. Ben and I came by this honestly. We love each other. We love our music together. We're great friends. Two months ago, we're not speaking.

We weren't speaking two months ago. Mushrooms for everyone. And then we started playing together, and it's like, it's too good. It's too good. The feeling that we have when we play together. And we were going to do what we failed this week because bring it on, daddy. I'll do it. Count me in.

This backtrack for a second. We, you know, we're going to do a little podcast this week with each other and just like post a couple songs and it was like a big deal for us and it still is. We're going to do it. But obviously this week fucking blew up and it wasn't really like lined up. But 10 or 15 minutes

after we posted on our Honey Honey page that we were going to post some podcast songs, you texted and were like, let's do a podcast. And we were like, oh, my God. And it was just like, pew, like hyperspeed. I got bummed out when you guys stopped working together. We were too, man.

But we needed to do it. It's okay. Hey, listen, life takes weird turns. It's like a river. It goes down the mountains. It's got to take the right path. Yeah. You know that one?

Want some of this? No, I'm sorry. I don't know. You want some of this? Yeah. Yeah. You know that one? Want some of those? No, I'm sorry. I don't know. Okay. Some of those? Yeah. Tell you something about that. Ben?

Nah. It's magic bubble gum. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. That's a big one. I love that poster in the bathroom. It's Skinnered, and then it says, the Stones, it says, the greatest rock and roll band on earth. Isn't that crazy?

You know, that was what you called them yep back then that was their body well for a good reason man the Stones are interesting in that there's a lot of

Stones songs that people forgot there's not a like there's some bands you just want to microdose yeah there's some bands that

that's not a microdose but do you listen we gotta make this legal ladies and gentlemen got to make this legal, ladies and gentlemen. We've got to make this legal. What are you talking about? This is legal. What legal? We're just eating birch wood gum.

It's from a birch tree. Dear God. Yeah, just shut it down if it gets... Don't put any... Hey. Okay, I'm going to put that back. I'm going to do these. I love Pez.

And dump. We're going to dump it. I'm going to do these. I love Pez. We've got to protect people. Protect people from assholes. And we've got to let people do the shit they enjoy doing. Joe, we love you so much. I love you guys, too. This is so nice. All things considered, the world is in a crazy place, and this is one of the best feelings I've had in a very long time.

Well, I always enjoy you guys. I enjoy seeing you. I enjoy listening to your music when you're not around. I listen to you guys all the time. I listen to you guys when I work out. I do. Thanks, man. I listen to you guys when I'm on trips.

You guys are cool as fuck. Thank you. Hey, we listen to you, too. Thanks, man. I listen to you guys. Thank you. When I'm on trips. You guys are cool as fuck. Thank you. Hey, we listen to you too. Truth. Yeah. Music is an interesting thing. You know, you guys, you put words together that change the state of people's consciousness. You put tones together and you have rhythms and sounds and it invades people's minds and it changes who they are.

And some songs are like really indicative of the times. Like someone, I think it was Snoop Dogg, had Marvin Gaye. It was a live version of brother, brother, brother. What's that song? Joe can sing. You sound so good. Whoa, dad. It's a trick. Damn, Joe Rogan.

What's going on? Yeah. Marvin Gaye. And you listen to that and you're like, wow. I don't know what it was like back then. I was too young. I don't remember. But I hope it's better now.

I feel like it is. I feel like there's something about these marches. You've got to take the looting out of the picture. Because I think if you want to follow the ideology of determinism, however you got there is a combination of a bunch of things that are probably out of your control. Who you are and where you're from and who your dad was and who your mom was. Hey, you're on, bang. But there's something about when you hear a song from 1971 or some shit like that. When you hear a song from 1971 or some shit like that, and you realize we're still dealing with the same shit in 2020, that really makes you worry that we're not going to get it right.

I didn't think you were going to go that way with it. No, no, really. No bullshit. I think there's beauty in the fact that everybody's gotten together and they're rising up against it. And they realize this is enough. It's enough. It's enough it's enough it's so enough it's so enough

but you gotta worry you gotta worry that shit would go sideways when you see the looting you gotta this is like there's a lot of it there's like this weird battle going on battle between like logic and anger you know people raise well and people raise poorly people

are mad and people are happy and everyone's together and a big soup of equilibrium trying to find your way to the fucking to the steady ground trying to figure it all out most people just don't and we're in we're involved in that as much as we're involved in any other aspect of this. We're all just trying to figure out life. But all these things are information. And, yeah, of course, how can we know? You have no idea what's going to happen. But it's all information to apply to the situation. People are looting.

Okay, among a range of factions there's economic problems and we gotta fucking deal with them. Yeah it's a perfect storm. Well I think the thing is like we have to try to find each other's perspectives and that's really hard for some people to do and one of the really wonderful people I spoke to this weekend

really gave me an insight that I never would have had and this gentleman lives in Texas and he had something to say about, I posted a good cop video. I posted a video of a cop praying with a black woman, and it was really beautiful. I saw that video. And I got a lot of crap for it. I got a lot of heat.

And I'm trying to find the middle ground of some of my also police force friends that actually one of our really good friends texted today to talk about how horrified he was that his city had gassed people. And he's a lieutenant colonel of a very big city, retired now. And he said he was depressed. He didn't know what to do. And I got to think about him because he's a good man. And in that respect, this gentleman who reached out to me very kindly, and I'm so grateful for it, said, here's why I don't like you posting that video of that happy cop scenario. He said, because I grew up in poverty. I slept in the bed with my dad till I was 10 because we didn't have another bed. There were holes in our walls. We didn't have

food. He said, cops weren't playing basketball with me in my neighborhood. If anything, I would see them beat up my friends and I couldn't do anything about it. He said, I'm angry and I don't want to see that right now. And I really respect that. That was a perspective I didn't have. And he also said, hey, I've done things in my life that I wasn't proud of. All I could think of in my life was getting out of this place that I lived in. And I would, you know, he admitted to stealing things, theft, to get his life in a place that he needed to get out of. And he's out. And it was a perspective for looting that I never would have had

you know I looting is mania at this point like I'm not sure like it's so many things it's just a fucking vomitus of like either people trying to cause trouble anarchy people just trying to be heard outlook on it which is a guy framing it saying these are people who can't take part in consumer economy. Yes. So this is, you know. That's a great framing. Yeah.

And that should be recognized. I don't think that's the answer, but like I see you. And that's the thing. It's like these people want to be seen. They want to be hugged. Yeah. And I want to fucking hug them. Everybody wants to be loved.

You know who Robert Sapolsky is? You ever heard of him? He's a professor at Stanford. You know who Robert Sapolsky is? You ever heard of him? He's a professor at Stanford. And he's done some really interesting work on primates and baboons and that toxoplasma shit that we were talking about before. But one of the things that he was talking about, I had a podcast with him a couple years back.

And he was saying that he's a really interesting guy and he was saying that in the future he thinks that one of the the biggest mistakes that they'll look back on with us is that we didn't understand how a human being comes to be the person they are today and how many factors are out of their control and we try to pretend that everybody is that. And I'm paraphrasing greatly. But it was basically that human beings are responsible for their own actions and that collectively we all influence each other's actions. We're all different people around each other. We're different people. It's one of the things that's the most important thing about having really good friends.

Like really good, important, awesome friends that literally make you better just being around them. They make you feel better. They make you love better. You become a nicer person if you have exceptional friends. Yeah. And we're all weirdly connected. Like, weirdly. And we don't understand it.

So when something like this happens, everybody's like, let's march in the street. Like, yes, let's march. Like, we feel good that we're all out there together. We feel good that we all agree. We feel good. And then there's some people that disagree, and there's some people that say stupid shit.

There's some people that get canceled. Like, ah! Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all trying to right the ship. We're all like, just fucking stay in the boat. Stay in the boat. We're all like holding on the boat of civilization in the boat. We're all like holding on the boat of civilization.

We are, we're going to be okay. We love each other. We're going to do it. So don't, we don't have to worry maybe. There's plenty of food. There's plenty of roofs.

We can do this. Plenty of toilet paper. We just got to get. This one dude's going to Mars. We got to get the game right. We'll go with him. We got to get the game right. Right?

We can't like, some people can't start the game. If you play Monopoly and a dude starts out with a billion dollars, that's fucked up, man. Oh, I just played Monopoly. I got four dollars. You got a billion dollars? It was horrible.

I just played Monopoly on mushrooms like a month ago before I had to do this sober thing. And my one friend was dominating the whole game and I was getting more and more bitter and angry. On mushrooms? She had so many fucking hotels, that bitch. She killed us. You gotta accept the fact that that's just how the game works. Don't hate the player. But the irony of it is like, oh, God.

Okay. Noted. Got it. Because I'm like, every time she's like, I'll buy that. I was like, bitch. That fucking bitch. Why she don't need that? It's a fancy game.

It's a big game. But is it? Is it? But is it? Deep. Super deep. I need to own some property. One day.

One day. That's the weirdest thing about all of us. We just thrust into this game. We realized we were playing it while we're up and running We're up and running learning how to walk. Keep so what's going on? The rat race it's the rat race there the guy the the gentleman who I swear to God I'm having deja vu I feel like I talked about this last time I was here But the guy who wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad created a a game called, it's like the rat race,

and it's how you economically get out of your debt and your spiraling investments or whatever, and then you get to the big leagues. I mean, that's America. That's the trajectory. That's the America that we like. That's the eagle. But it's not exactly.

That's the eagle. And the eagle is a fucking vulture. The rock. In real life. The rock 2024 is going to take care of all that I don't know what you have in answer for this this eagle vulture bullshit I'm going to be gross for a minute I just want him to pick me up that's it I just want to be held

he can pick you up and probably not even know he picked you up great that's all I want I don't want to be weird who's this person I'm a like tall girl and like you know it's like I just want to pick you up and probably not even know he picked you up. Great. That's all I want. I don't want to be weird. Who's this person? I'm a tall girl. And it's like, I just want to just pick me up. All bullshit aside, I take a lot of inspiration from- Close on. Close on.

You're friends. We all get it. We're all just friends. We all got you. Thank you. Thank you. I take inspiration from that guy. Legitimately, I'm joking around earlier about what I said, but I'm also being honest.

I believe what I'm saying. No, I think he's a wonderful person. Unusual. He's unusual. I shouldn't objectify him as a big strong man. He's also a really good person. Fucking sexist. I'm an asshole and I'm sorry for telling everyone. That is unacceptable.

You've heteronormative-ed him. I think it worked. We're going with it No that's not a fucking new word That's real No I almost Heteronormative It's an important part of gender theory You piece of shit

I'm with you Write another thing that rhymes You fucking asshole I'll write I'll write a letter I'll write a letter of apology I'm sorry Part of the problem

I am part of the problem White silence is white violence We're gonna be okay I'm sorry part of the problem I am part of the problem white silence is white violence we're gonna be okay I don't know I hope so we're gonna be okay we all want

everybody to be okay we want we just gotta get over this man as a species the human species we gotta get over all our ripples

yeah yeah the sensitivities though that thing is like you're this, you're that. You're like the superlative talk is going to fucking get us nowhere. And I saw a T-shirt that I loved and it was take a minute and listen to each other with an open heart. 100%. It's so hard for people, but it's really not. It's really fucking not that hard.

No one's taught them how to do it. That's why it's not hard. And it's hard to learn that. It is. We mimic, and everything else, and everything else, like if you want to learn how to play guitar, you learn from people who knew how to play the guitar. If you want

to learn how to do archery, like Gina Davis, you learn from people who know how to do archery. We don't apply that to how you view the world. Well, and people can't accept things. These teachers are usually our parents, and not everybody initially has Has a great hand when it comes to them they don't know you said earlier just makes me think about us

We had a terrible time communicating with each other. Yeah Twelve years and who knows if we're over. We could fucking go down after this. Please don't. Let's not. Let's keep it going. Let's keep it going. Keep it going. Bam. Bam. Titties. Titties.

But the point is, no, that's not mine. That's yours. I don't want that one. You take that one. You take bam. I'll take titties. It just made me think what you're saying. It is not easy.

You know? And it's something that we've, it's taken a long time and experience for us to be able to even communicate. I feel like you set me up to like, our relationship has set me up to like face adversity in the world because we have fought so much, but we love each other so much. And at the end of the day, we just want to hear each other out. And that's the thing with people that are aggressive or disagreeing with your

rhetoric. Like they just want to be heard heard and so do you so yeah like with that said it's it's a time that i to have as much patience as you can possibly muster with healthy boundaries but you know i i really have gotten a lot out of uh speaking to people on social media lately literally speaking not just comments and i'm learning and i'm growing and i'm grateful and i've fallen on my fucking face people telling me things that i never would have thought of it's so humbling um because like ultimately i want to help what's happening i don't want to see another black person get murdered by a police officer in a video ever again and as well as all of the other things that everybody wants to talk about like we're all coming up and i think we all agree we

do no one disagrees exactly that's what's unique about this time i think everybody's looking at this and going yeah like we there's obviously problems there's real problems we're seeing it in the cops that are treating the people that are peacefully protesting. Like, you can't do that. No one's doing anything wrong. Here's what's crazy. They're letting people loot, but they're fucking shooting tear gas at people that are just standing there saying the system's fucked. Yeah, that's the information.

There's so many details. We were speaking earlier about police officers and, like, their instability. Like, their mental dysfunctional aspects and, like, that needs to be addressed in, like, an acute manner. It's not brought up at all. We just expect them to be superhuman. Yeah. Like, they're not human. And that's our fault, too.

If you are in credit card debt, you're freaking out and you can get fucking therapy. But if you're a cop and you're seeing people get shot in the face every day, you're like, suck it up, pig. We barely pay attention. Yeah. We barely pay attention to them. So when they go hate wire, you know, those three guys that sat around while that guy kneeled on that dude's neck. Like, what do you charge those guys with? You know, there's been a real movement.

I wonder how old they were when they joined the force. Like, were they kids when they joined the force? It's like a fraternity. It's it's a hundred. Are they that hateful? a thing that when you're in it, you're surrounded by people who are there to protect you if shit hits the fan. There's a brotherhood that's involved in the police force. If I had to guess what's wrong with the police force, but what is right about the Navy SEALs,

is that one of them, it's really difficult to get into. Like if you meet a person and that person is a Navy SEAL, that motherfucker can take some shit. He has a strong mind. He's figured out a way to navigate the maze of consciousness to go further than most people are capable of doing. But that's not everybody who's a cop. So there's a lot of people who are cops

who are just bitches. They're just bitches. And they just got a job as a cop. And they have to work with guys like The Rock! They're right alongside The Rock! That's who you learn from. And they're bitches! No, but you're so right.

There's a validation in that badge. There's a validation. And if it's not actually a genuine part of your integrity, then that's a fucking scary place for all of us. It's one of the hardest jobs the world's ever known. Yeah. It's a really, really hard job being a cop. Big fan of Killer Mike's review board idea, like bringing back review boards where the community, like you know. I've never disagreed with anything Killer Mike's ever said, ever.

He should be president. I love that dude. Did you see Obama's thing? He's so powerful. The way he speaks, I did not want to be here, and I don't want to do this. You're like, God damn. You see his TV show? Yeah. That's who he is.

There's no filter. That's who he is. I really, really hope I get to meet him sometime. I'll introduce you. I will die. Next time those guys are here, I think we're supposed to do something. I love both those dudes. They're so important in this time.

There's no bullshit. There's no bullshit. If you want Killer Mike, it's right there. Killer Mike's right there. There's no filters. Positive, negative, good, bad, son of a cop. Talks about the Second Amendment and the need for handguns. But it was also super progressive.

He and I both were like, let's get Bernie Sanders in this thing. Let's see what the fuck happens. If you get someone who redistributes wealth, we're finding out now there's trillions of dollars. We just would have fixed a fucking REI. We're going to fucking bail out Starbucks. We found all this money. Gotta save REI for fuck's sake. Did you see that

where he's making porn where people are teaching people to fix their home appliances and stuff like that? He was like, I'm going to make a series of YouTube videos so people can learn how to be handy around their home. Killer Mike, that is that is and he's like but people don't pay attention to anything except porn so so i'm gonna make a bunch of porn that's easy to fix your sink porn is like human right what what is human human is the the weird the the contrast of what we want

you to believe but what we really are porn's the best example of that how many people are at work talking about porn how about zero yeah it might be like it might be like the same amount of people that uh they catch corona and die it's like how many people talking about porn at work it ruins your sex life psychologically because there's no correlation between that and real life sex. And just from the digital stimulation, it really messes people up. I think that's like saying whiskey ruined your life. False.

No, you ruined your life, stupid. Don't blame whiskey. Whiskey's been great for me. Me and whiskey have had a great relationship. We made it work. Yeah, we made it work. That's true. We had a good relationship. We made it work. Yeah, we made it work. That's true. We had a good time.

100%. There's probably a lot of dudes out there that understand the abracadabra of porn, and they want to stay on the outside edges of the dangerous fear of control. And they just hang in the background. I mean... I think porn is like heroin. You should be able to do it, but you probably shouldn't. And you're not going to be able to stop keep it together

that should be your goal keep it together it all comes down to accountability period I love whiskey it's weird how many people are fucking on video if you really stop and think about it it's doing it right now it's barely even unusual

it's barely even unusual. It's barely unusual. The amount of sheer porn. I used to have a joke about it. It was like, why are they still making porn? Has anybody ever seen it at all? Can they stop now and let us catch up? You gotta stay in the cut. I wanted to die thinking I missed the hottest

scene ever because there's too much goddamn content, you gluttons. Just out there fucking every day, filming it. Never enough. It's like music, though. I mean, we're getting across the board. We're getting schooled right now. All of those quote unquote comforts or whatever we're going to funnel our energy into, all

that shit is fading out. We're being restructured in the matrix. I think we're being restructured. Yeah. In the matrix. I think we're learning how to be adults. We're learning how to, what's important? Like who's far enough ahead on this weird race that you can stop and go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Let's stop and work out the resources. Yeah.

We're going to eat. We're running too far. This is not Yeah. We're going to eat. We're running too far. This is not necessary. We're getting crazy. We only live to be 100. What are we doing? Let's be nice to each other. Shit.

Why are we mad? There's plenty of food. Yeah. It just needs to be distributed. There's plenty of money. We just need to figure out how to fix it. What do you think that is? The panic.

We just need to figure out how to fix it. What do you think that is? The panic. And I really say this honestly. No, I don't want to be raped and murdered. I don't want my home to be invaded. I'm so glad you said it here. But what is this need to jump over each other, take all the toilet paper? Because we're in competition.

Right, but more so. I want to know like but that's that's the whole thing the whole thing is competition for what to survive for resources are we mad maxing this right now for attention for money for prominence for rep you know that's what we've always done that well it's what you're talking about earlier with these fears that are kind of buried deep in our genetics. We're still dealing with software that's 100,000 years old. I also think there's two things playing out at the same time. There's this sexual thing where human beings are attracted to each other and you're trying to figure out how to choose mates.

And then there's this whatever intrigues you thing there's like you want people to like you if you if you're gay you want gay dudes to like you if you're straight you want a straight woman to like you and you also want to figure out this thing like me this thing that you're doing what's the thing you're doing you playing tennis what do you do man what do you do you paint tennis what do you do you're a chess master what's your expression yeah what's your mode of expression and through your singing particularly you you're right here my friend i know who you are because there's a war there's a way you sing where you figure out a way to get it all out in these tones. And that's what makes singing so exciting for people who can't sing and for people who love to listen. There's a thing where they're getting, it's like you're figuring out a way to use a special lens to look right into a person.

And find out, like, what is that person when they're at their lowest? What is it when they're at their highest? And what is this when they're really passionate about something? What is that expression? And it comes through in this weird melody, this weird sound that you can make with your voice. But what you're doing is you're showing people who you are. You're showing people who you are through the sound that you can make

and these words and this and we use those sounds and those words as this like translator to figure out what what what you're really feeling and what you're really thinking and then when it's wrapped up in your lyrics the thing that's fascinating about is how you guys are so tight and you love each other so much and like you're putting words together and you guys are so tight and you love each other so much. And you're putting words together and you're singing these words and you're all putting it together in this music. L.A. River is one of my favorite songs ever. It really is.

And one of the reasons why is because it's so indicative about the beauty. I thought I saw a body in the weeds. That's a part of a beautiful song. I thought I saw a body in the weeds. Do you want to talk about the fact that it was put on we had this great moment where this tv show used the song in this like romantic marriage it was a marriage it was a wedding and it just showed you they don't listen to the song that song is la it was a wedding scene and Yeah, and then he goes, thought I saw a body in the weeds. We're like, okay. I do. I do. Had to hop a chain link fence.

I went down to the banks of the LA River, had to hop a chain link fence. Hey, we got props to Ben Jaffe. He wrote that song, like fourth quarter of Billy Jack when we were doing that record. We were putting all our songs together and he wrote that very quickly

and brought it to the table and it was beautiful and you know what else also is like when you guys had just moved here you know so there's part of you saying oh i love my new home yeah and you know i hate wanting to abandon la but i hate when things get really big and they're run by people who haven't done mushrooms. It bothers me. Well, how do we get the mushrooms, Joe? How do we do it? I don't think they know what they're talking about. I really don't.

I don't think they're projecting it right. You heard him. All of them. I don't even want to say anybody's name. Get your shit together, Garcetti. This is what I think. I think we all need to understand there's a lot of messages that can be conveyed right now. And you can't just constantly worry about what your side thinks.

We've got to figure out some way to get through this where we're all better off than we were before it started. And it can be done. It can be done. They can all do it. It can be done. Yeah. And it's being done in a lot of places. It is.

This is a fucking breakthrough moment. All the looting and the riots, it'll be in history. It's terrible. It's horrible that it happened. But this explosion that happened, we got a real shot at moving things forward in a really powerful way. We got a real shot at moving things forward in a really powerful way. We got a real shot right now. Well, when people are uncomfortable and we are really uncomfortable, that's when things move. Because you have to, there's action.

You can't just sit in it and no one likes to be uncomfortable. So what the fuck are you going to do? A hundred percent with everything in life. Like if you have a bad moment in life, it feels terrible. And that is life's way. If you're playing this weird game of good and bad and love and hate and what feels amazing, what feels terrible, you follow that. You follow whatever that is. You follow whatever that feeling is.

Yeah. I mean, it's back to Joey Diaz, though, a little bit, too. It's like you have these monumental moments in your life, and how do you grow from them? Yes. And I have no disrespect, but I've always had a really hard time relating to people that are like, never been through anything difficult. Life's been great. I'm just sort of like just coasting. Which probably isn't even true.

But this is what I think we all need to consider. It's been great. I'm just sort of like just coasting. But you know what? But this is what I think we all need to consider. It's not their call. They didn't say, hey, I don't want Suzanne to have this fucking dope-ass life in Beverly Hills. Fuck that shit. I don't live in Beverly Hills and I'm on unemployment, let's be clear. Move that bitch to Van Nuys.

Move that bitch to Van Nuys and let's do some cocaine. I know where my limit is with my unemployment. You know what I'm saying? Musicians. You know what I'm saying? I do know what you're saying. It's not your call. It's not their call. Paris Hilton didn't want to be Paris Hilton. She was thrust into this.

Wow, remember her? More ways than one. Of course I do. That's why I brought her up. No, I know, but I'm like, wow, that's a name. I saw Zoolander. I told you. I saw Zoolander last night. I told you. A little cameo. I saw it last night. I told you. I saw Zoolander last night. I told you. A little cameo. I saw it last night. It was amazing. It awakened me.

Can we talk about 21 Jump Street? I hate to say this because it's almost like counter-competitive, which is a lot of what America is. There's some weird competition that fuels innovation, But I think it's like anything else. Like you should only go so fast. Like if you're going around a racetrack, you should only go as fast as you can go without sliding off the road and slamming into the fucking trees. Right. Right.

But you can be done. It's been done. You can you can navigate it. And I think we need to figure out how much gas we need to give life. Yeah. And if your objective needs to be to get around it fast, that isn't the only, we're so driven into that mentality.

Sometimes it's nice to just have a nice drive. Cruising. A nice drive, especially in the convertible. It's fucking chilling, man. These days I've been really excited to drive but also you can't stop and pee anywhere so you can't go too far

for me as a lady. I was like, I want to drive with BCH, but I've done it, and then I was like, oh my god, I have to pee, and there's nowhere to pee. I wish it was safe. I wish it was safe to drive on mushrooms. I wish it was like 100%.

It's like Starbucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just walk on mushrooms. I'm fine with that. But if people said, no, it's actually statistically been proven that you operate faster and more coherent while on mushroom so please yeah what's going on in Denver decriminalize Pete moving on I believe they're voting on it oh so it's still up in the air I believe okay if we turn the AC down a little bit? Impossible. Impossible. We're going to light a fire in this room, Ben Jaffe.

What are you scared of? I'm fine with that. Scared of marijuana? You know what? When I smoke something, I get... Yeah, man. That's what it's for. What's that?

This is 75 degrees in here? That's it. It ain't shit, right, Jamie? I'm just saying. Just say it, bro. No way. Come on. All right.

Listen, I just want to to say even though I'm embarrassed about this but uh Jamie and I we did an NAD drip the other day and he got there faster than me first time I beat him he beat me dang smoked him actually I didn't realize I didn't he beat me by like four minutes right it's four solid minutes way it's like let me be the first I've ever done it yeah he went full out I don't know exactly what that is but I it, it's like five times faster than I've ever done it. Yeah, he went full out. I don't know exactly what that is, but it seems. It's some ridiculous thing that we do every week. This is what's interesting about Jamie.

It's like there's a thing you do, it's called an NAD drip. I forget what it's called. I forget the actual scientific terminology. But it's basically some, what would be the best way to describe it? I don't want to fuck this up. What is NAD specifically? I want a Wikipedia of this. I don't want to ruin it.

I want the real information. But the idea behind it is it helps your immune system. It helps your body recover. So this is a drip as an intravenous. Yeah, IV. And also I do an IV vitamin bag. And Jamie and I start doing this every week. Here it is.

It feels amazing, man. NAD is helpful for individuals undergoing therapy for substance abuse and addiction recovery. This treatment reduces cravings and withdrawal symptoms, provides energy to the body, and boosts brain regeneration.

NAD IV treatments can assist with addiction recovery. But there's some other benefits, too. That's just one of them. But it is really good for that, apparently. It's really good for addiction recovery. A compound? A synthetic compound? Yeah, I guess it must be, right?

Right. Synthetic's a weird word. It's like organic. Like, what's organic? Is your piss organic? Here's a bottle of organic piss. Thank you. If you have antibiotics, is your piss organic?

I'm not sure. You might be a fraudster. Shit. Words are confusing, Joe. I don't know. There's a lot of them. Yeah. That's the problem.

They're hard to pin down. That's what the Buddhists say. That's what the Buddhists say. They're like, most problems, it's with words. You're right. And they're right. That is what it is, right? It's like, that's what I was saying earlier.

It's like, words convey intent. That's what they're supposed to do. I want to know what you think. I wonder if you think mean or if you're just making a mistake in the way you communicate what you think. Well, yeah. mean or if you're just making a mistake in the way you communicate what you think well yeah and i'll say i don't know if words convey intent because they're usually not that nuanced no they convey an agreement which is okay this is whatever the fuck this thing is called right here's a

microphone that's a rat this is a skunk exactly that's a tree intent is much more difficult to communicate especially talking about digital communication i I need to see you, how your body moves, how you're looking at me, all this shit. For sure. Yeah, we all, I mean, that's the thing. That's why the threat of being canceled is so scary for people, right? We don't ever want people to be mad at us. Because if we did something wrong and people are mad at us, if it makes sense, we're like, oh my God, I made a mistake and everyone knows.

Ah! I got no friends. But we got to be real careful with what we get mad at and what we don't get mad at. And here's a great example that fucking everyone, I'm not taking credit for this thought. Everyone has had this thought. It is so fucking insane that you could get arrested for opening your business just a couple of weeks ago and you don't get arrested for looting that very same business last last week or fucking friday night like what happened you were gonna put that guy in jail

if you look what hits close to home for me is Long Beach, 10th Planet. 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, Long Beach. I never trained there, but it's in a 10th Planet family. 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, I started out in Hollywood, and then now they're in downtown LA. But there's a bunch of them. My brother, Eddie Bravo, has like, I don't know how many gyms he has all over the world, but one of them just burned to the ground. In Long Beach. For no reason.

For no reason. You know? Laws are made of words. Words don't make sense. That doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that anybody's frustration bounces off the wall of reality

to the point where people get victimized that had nothing to do with your pain. Yeah, there's a lot of friendly fire happening right now. I think we all want a lot of the same things. And in that respect, I'm looking for my Orbitz gum because I'd like to chew it. But in that respect, like, you know, we have like you have such a solid point like the ridiculousness of the logic is like it's fucking overwhelming like everyone's kind of saying the same thing but they're still fighting you're like okay someone someone needs to get on television and tell the looters and tell all the people that have stole shit, we forgive you.

Let's start from scratch. Just let it go. You fucked up. You got caught up in this crazy wave. And a lot of people say, fuck that, they need to pay. Maybe they do. Maybe they do. Maybe they do.

But is that better for everybody? It's better for everybody. It's better for everybody is everybody realize what the fuck just happened. We collectively lost our marbles as a society. America collectively lost its marbles. Well, and there's some marbles

that have been missing the whole fucking time. And there's some marbles that are being pushed around. Solid point, Ben Jeffries. Pushed around by shadow characters. Shadowy folks. Shadowy actors.

It's true. It's so dark true it's so dark it's so dark and I'm glad you brought that up yes there's darkness there's 100% agent provocateurs this has been the idea that this is not going to happen today

in one of the most provocative and engaging encounters in the history of civilization as we know it in recorded media right like what what year other than 2020 what year can fuck with 2020 when it comes to all this shit happening together all at once coronavirus three-month lockdown of the world. I think the onset of World War I and the Spanish flu could probably be like, suck our dicks, history. Close in terms of bodies and all that,

but we haven't realized the amount of time that that took place in. We never would have imagined in 2020 where we are here in June that we would be here. If I came to you in December and as a problem Shit I've been thinking about that, but you know what it made me think of something you're saying earlier, too I was at this talk. It was about collapse civilization collapse. Where was it? It was a the Getty Museum

And the thing I took away from it was this guy says, the future is here. It's just not evenly distributed. Whoa. You know what I mean? Like, so you're talking about 2020 and the insanity of it. If you're living in Syria right now, you're like, what? You know, we've been living in a different, the point being all these different contexts is so hard to relate to ones other than what we perceive to be our own.

Yeah, that's a great way of putting it. Yeah, and it's hopeful and intimidating. And I think there's real limitations. We're hoping that we understand how you really feel when you say something. We're hoping. I think I got it. Say it again. Say it again the same way.

You know, it's like we have different ways of saying things. As soon as you have different ways of saying things, but yet you maintain that if you said, I can take it and put it in print and everybody can know exactly what you said. That doesn't make any sense. There's no trust.

You can't do that anymore. There's no trust. We need Elon Musk's brain drill. Bring it in. But we need to be nice to him so he doesn't think everyone's attacking him. He's going to be okay. I'll mediate. I love that dude. There it is.

He's a good guy. He really is a good guy. Tescalade, hello. You know what I thought, though? She's got his, sorry, Elon, his old car registration up on her fridge. I know. Oh, that's right. I want to talk about this.

You guys bought for Honey Honey the Cadillac Escalade. Well, who knows? Maybe he had a bunch of them. Who knows? I'm sure he did. He has eight homes in Bel Air.

He's like, I don't want a home anymore. Oh, how convenient. You have eight of them, you fuck. It's literally on the side of my fridge, the registration. It says Elon Musk. Bro, he bought Mars. That's what this is all about.

I know. He bought it. It was for sale. But you know what I thought? I was in that same podcast. He says, I could either be designing my perfect home or I could get us to Mars. I was like, why don't you design your perfect home too maybe

because we'll probably figure out some cool shit. Because Hyperloop. He's got to put the Hyperloop together. He's trying to make a new Tesla. He's got a Roadster. He's got a Cybertruck. He can do both. It's like a toilet or something.

We need that. He just needs a back massage. He needs a back massage, some electrolytes. The gun thing. It's like a toilet or something. We need that. He just needs a back massage. He needs a back massage, some electrolytes. What's that? The gun. The gun thing. It's right there. Theragun.

Theragun. I want to get one of those. He needs a Theragun. He needs electrolytes. There's a lot of those companies. Tim Tam's a really good one, too. He needs a real person with an elbow rubbing into your back. Hire a professional.

Yeah, those are around. It's real. Look, people are really good at that shit. Remember when we used to be able to get massages? Oh I was thinking about that one. No I mean so first world.

Yeah total fucking champagne problems. I got a fucked up back and it's been you know I've been managing all kinds of shit. Tell me. I fixed problems in my back. I can tell you. Well, I started doing.

That helped a lot of my friends. So from the violin, I've got like a left shoulder thing up the neck that sometimes I just can't go this way, but it's more physical therapy that I just regularly was doing with like chiropractor. I'm okay, by the way. I was playing pool so much that I was developing this really bad pain in the middle of my back

when I lived in New York because he spent so much time bent over a table. I would play pool eight, ten hours a day. So eight, ten hours a day I was bent over this fucking table looking at these balls.

Story of my life. I was going to say it. You fucking made me do it. Can you imagine like I'm trying to save for college? Every day, just balls, balls, balls, balls, balls. I mean, that's a lot of time, dude. Whenever you think about, or I used to read about a lot of drummers, you know, famous drummers.

And eight hours was kind of the magic number. All these guys, Tony Williams, even Billy Corgan, great guitar player, talks about... Try to get me to buy a drum set. I'll buy a drum set, bro. Just think about it. I'll give you one. Just keep it here.

Send me one on Amazon. Okay. Are we allowed to support Amazon, or are we not woke enough? I don't know. I saw some really cool stuff about supporting black businesses and, like, buy your books buy your books from bookstores. This is my thoughts on Jeff Bezos. He could be way worse.

We should be nice to that guy and give him a hug and tell him, like, bro, I get it. No one's supposed to have $180 billion. That's a lot of money. Let's be friends. Jeff, Jeff, I know we don't know each other, but I love you. Okay.

Extend the olive branch. You're going to be okay, man. We're all going to be okay, but we're not going to other, but I love you. Okay. Extend the olive branch. You're going to be okay, man. We're all going to be okay, but we're not going to make it. Get him on the podcast. Let him speak for himself. I'd love to have you on, Jeff. Jeff Bezos. Order him.

Of Amazon.com. Order him. I'm really, really inspired by you. Legitimately. You think he'll get here by Saturday? Kevin Hart was on the podcast last week, and he was talking about Jeff Bezos. Then he met Jeff Bezos at a party, and he made a beeline right to him. And his friend was actually urging him not to do it.

Wait, Bezos made the, or Kevin? No, Kevin did. Got it. He saw Jeff Bezos. Was it well-received? And his friend was like, no, no, don't talk to him. He was like, get the fuck away from me. Doing this.

Damn. What did they talk about? Did you see Jeff? Or maybe it's personal. Anything. I'd give Jeff my number. I don't know what Jeff Bezos looks like, to be honest with you. If I saw him at a party, I'd be like, that's a guy. Well, I'll introduce you. Jeff, or maybe it's a person. Anything. I'd give Jeff my number. I don't know what Jeff Bezos looks like, to be honest with you. If I saw him at a party, I'd be like, that's a guy.

Well, I'll introduce you. Oh, fuck. Jesus Christ. If you want to be subtle. No, I'm good. I don't. The internet's not the place. I'm really okay.

Fuck you. I'll put you in whatever headlock I know how to do. I'll show you how to kill me. Triangle. I'll show you how to kill me. I'll show you how to kill me. As long as you wear blackface, you can choke me out and kill me. How dare you?

Come on. I want there to be so little racism that that's not even a term anymore. Yeah. Can we get to there? I think we can. I hope so. We can get to the point where there's just morons, assholes, and people you can hang out with. Yeah.

I think we can get there. Morons, assholes, people you can hang out with. Yeah. I think we can get there. Morons, assholes, people you can hang out with. People who love you. I was thinking about you because, you know, you're a comic. And the thing is, like, there's a lot of things to make fun of, but people are so fucking sensitive right now. And for good reason. That's why I signed with Spotify. I'm like, I got plans, bitch.

I'm riding this wave right into the rocks. Come with me. Ben, what are you doing? He's stretching. I'm not thinking about my bag. Ben's doing yoga. That's what weed in California does to you in 2020. How long has this podcast been going on?

Three and a half hours. Let's play a song. A mere two hours less Three and a half hours. Let's play a song. A mere two hours less than the Kevin Smith podcast. Let's play a song and eat a sandwich. What's the Kevin Smith one? If you had to guess. I want to say it's five hours. What?

You weren't here? Who was here? No, he was here for the second one. But there was a really long one before Jamie. Jamie. long one before Jamie Jamie I apologize

to Gary Clark after our last podcast because I talked so much listen don't you ever do that well I love Gary so much

just tell him you love him I do I love him so much he loves you too he wasn't mad he loves you but I think he was really stoned

everybody was great you're freaking out I freak out all the time but I just want Gary to know how much I love him. So do I. All right. Ride the wave, Suzanne. I'm trying.

I'm not a very good surfer. Do you want to do Angel of Death or what? Let's do what, Jeff? You got to do both. We'll do both. Let's do this one because I know I'm not going to fuck it up. I met you guys. We're going to do,

let's do what you're going to do now first, Ben. Okay. I love that too. Let's do Angel of Death whatever you do because I'm starting to get a little I'm pretty fucked up time is your friend yes it's only it's a small it's light out who could see my new towel it's light out I can tell okay check nose I. Who knows? I have security cameras. To me, it's 526. I support that.

We're fine. I'm so glad you brought sandwiches. We're all going to be fine. This might be the first podcast we ever make part one and part two. Jamie, what do you think? If we go straight psychedelics, we should totally do part two. I think we should give a round of applause to young Jamie, who is perhaps

the greatest podcast producer in the known universe. For sure, the best reps Ohio in a strong way. The best one-handed Googler the world has ever known.

Fastest finger shinder west. He's telepathic. I'll start talking about shit. Teach me. I mean, weird shit. Hyenas. Fucking monkeys. You guys are like unibrain.

Unibrain? Yeah, there's a thing there. I think we've integrated. Jamie and I are connected. Neuralink or something. Yeah, we're in the ether together. What's wrong? Oh, it's my dad's.

Oh, sorry, Dad. You guys are swapping guitars? Yeah, we're kind of fucked up, too. How many guitars? We brought everything. I've said this before. I'm going to say it again. One of the things I love about music is I don't even know what the fuck you're

doing. I got no idea. I could say the same about a kettlebell. I love how it's... I could teach you that right quick. I could teach you that really quick. I could really... I'm good with the arms, but the core and some of the my whiffs, I want to tighten up

my whiffs. Jamie's going to film this right after here. We're going to go right over to the gym. I'm not kidding. And I'm going to show you. I'm not kidding either. Okay, fucking bring it on. See, my whoop is not in the right place for kettlebells. You see why?

My whoop is on top. When I do kettlebells, that's what I do. It's a whoop strap. Hey, first of all. When I do kettlebells Switch that bitch There shouldn't be any reason that we're not in the best shape of our lives right now Other than depression And age

How dare you Me Oh, sure You're in the best shape of all of us combined No, we're all gonna be okay We're gonna be fine Stay on top of the wave Don't get locked

How are we doing on two? Hold your breath, soldier Stay on top of the wave. Don't get locked. How are we doing on two? Hold your breath, soldier. If we had a drum set, we'd be a band right now. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Jamie, you don't play drums, right? Come on.

Anybody can play drums. You're trying to con me. You're trying to con me to get a drum set. Stop conning me. Everybody wins. I'll definitely learn. I'll learn. Let's go. Jamie, you're broken. I'll definitely learn. I don't want to lose Jamie to SpaceX. As soon as they figure out

he can learn everything, we got a real problem. Fair. I don't want to lose him. Teach him how to play drums. What if he gets as good at that as he is at one hand Googling? I was thinking about that. I had this weird, I was like, one day, 20 years from now, when everyone's like, when

Joe's like, young Jamie. Because that's where your voice is going, Joe. He's young Jamie. Young Jamie. Jamie is young in spirit. Jamie, Jamie, look that up. 90-year-old Rogan. I can't wait to see that guy.

It doesn't matter how old Jamie gets. He's always been young in spirit. I know, I love it. When I met Jamie, I'm like, this dude's cool. He's just a fun kid. He's young Jamie. This is a good crew. I had a ponytail back then.

Whoa! You had a ponytail. I met a pony tail. I mean, we've done... I met young Jamie at the ice house in Pasadena that's pretty awesome yeah

we were talking about audio engineering love that stuff who cares this cool motherfucker no this is a great crew you got here like things are going well

there's no crew it's just Jamie I know that's what I'm saying it's a trick that's your crewman yeah I like how you took the same room

I'm just like we could have been in another. I'm going to do it again in Texas. Oh, my God. There's always air travel. International. Worldwide. Is there?

Yes. Okay. When you get the spaceship fired up, you call us. You call us. Listen, my thoughts about Austin are if I do move there. Is this a public thing? 100%. I'm just going to fly people in.

I'll fly anybody in. That's cool. It's a day. It's one day. Let's be friends. We'll go down because by then there'll be venues again

and we'll just go there, play a show, do a podcast, hang for a week. You know what I'm saying? You got to give people the choice to do what they want to do. I don't know if they're right.

I don't know if you, we have to inform people and then we have to give them the ability to make decisions. And I don't know if you're right. I don't know if I'm right. I don't know who's right. I'm scared. You're scared.

Can we talk? Yeah. Can we talk? I don't think gloves work. For what? I don't trust people who drive with masks on. Oh, it's weird. I think they're pussies. You're in your own car. It doesn't make any sense.

Where are you going, bitch? You're gonna fold! You're gonna what? Interrogation! You're gonna fold! Oh, bold. You're gonna fold up shop, you fucking pussy! Hey! What?

Why you got a mask on? You're in your own fucking car! I'm scared. It's a sky poison! I'm scared. John, you're making the wrong choice. I thought you just said to make your own choice. That's the right choice. Listen, you're always gonna have bitches. We have to- everything is real. All things are real.

Liars, poets, lovers, thieves. I think that... Everything is real. We got to all accept it together. Recognize bitches. Flush them. Wake them up in the morning. Get up, son.

Ben. Give him your love. Could you imagine? I think that's part of what you're saying. It's time to be a man! I'm going to work out to this every day. Wake him up! It doesn't happen on its own.

You must force it. You must force all of it. Love! Force love! Hugs! Hug your friends! Mike, I love you. Who's Mike? I don't know. It's an imaginary person.

I'm a couple of Mike friends. Mike Young. Mike Young, I love you. I love what's happening right now. I love a lot of people. We all get to love each other. 100%. I think that's pretty much the key.

That is the key. Unlock that door. The key is this. We've got to accept that we're all living in this fucking fantastic soup of possibilities. Oh, yes. And we all come from different backgrounds and different deficits and different strengths, different ideas, different perspective, different biases. Preach. God damn.

Yeah. All these things. Like, we might look, like, we should, first of all, we should have a George Floyd memorial, a big one, like a Mount Everest style. Yeah, but why stop there? What is the one with all the presidents? Not Mount Everest. Rushmore. Rushmore, that one.

Do a George Floyd. Come on, bro. Yeah. How about if we did that? Can you imagine if that one shitty cop, for whatever, let's just let him get away with all the shit that he got away with forever there's a ton of complaints about that guy

are there I didn't know that I didn't get into that way way way way way back to like the early 2000s right like 2006 was like his first complaint I've ignorantly only just seen the video.

And that man has... As long as you've tweeted, that's okay. He has an insane... How about do it? He has an insane look in his eye. I don't care if you've gone over the facts, but if you tweeted... I think it's Richmond... Do you have an Instagram, Black Square?

Because if you didn't, lose my number. Fuck you. I did. I didn't. I know you didn't. Kidding. It's important for me not to. I didn't. I know you didn't. I'm kidding. It's important for me not to. I can't.

It's okay. It's not that I don't support the movement. I do. But I don't know who the fuck told everybody to have a black square on fucking election days. On a primary day. Okay. Even if most people said, okay, I'm going to post the black square and then I'm going

to post my other shit. There's for sure a step back. Yeah. There's for sure. It was confusing. The messaging on that one was confusing. I don't know where it came from. If I knew where it came from, if The Rock got on his Instagram.

I think I need more whiskey. He said, we all need. Thank you, friend. To post a black square to support that we love everyone. We love black people. We love Asian people. Polynesians!

South Americans! We love everybody. If the rock would just take the reins. I'll be your press secretary. I think he's going to. I'm going to be his What does that dude Steven

The one dude that keeps Getting in trouble Bald guy Pauly Shore knows him Steven Bald guy Pauly Shore knows him Steven Miller

Yeah That guy I'll be that guy Is there ice in the bucket still? For the rocks administration There's ice in that bucket Yeah yeah yeah You know

Back to the blackout thing The nearest is almost gone I'd like to think That it wasn't Some kind of weird conspiracy Is ice in that bucket? You know, back to the blackout thing. I'd like to think that it wasn't some kind of weird conspiracy. Because I found a really... Which blackout? The Instagram. Oh, no, no, no. I'm kidding. No, I know you are.

I should be clear. I should be clear. I don't want people to think I'm disrespecting that. I'm joking around. But one thing that I am... I understand what it is. You want to know how many people are with you here here's here's reality everybody's with you everybody who has a heart everybody who

loves people everybody loves marvin gaye and mike tyson and muhammad ali and lawrence fishburne and ice cube and every fucking brilliant af fucking brilliant African-American artist across every Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle. We love everybody. We love you especially. It's not a fair game. The game that African-Americans are playing is different than the game that you're in a European American settlers like my family is playing.

We drifted into this game that was established by slavery. It's not our game. It's a different game. And for anyone to, if we're going to progress, we have to acknowledge that this didn't start, it's not like everybody's like okay you all have four cards like each one each one of those cards is worth 40 points do your best well you're playing a game like society if you want to think about what economic equality is or what uh just any sort of just community, like the way we feel about each other, what's

equal and what's not. It's not 100% based on what you've done. There's a giant chunk of it is based on things that are completely out of control. Oh, of course. Right. But that's the thing that doesn't get talked about. Right. If you want to talk about presidential campaigns or gubernatorial campaigns, whether it's the Senate or Congress, no one says like, hey, hey, hey, this is a crazy game.

This is a crazy game. And some people get a million chips. And some people owe chips the moment they're born. They're bad the moment they're born. They're bad the moment they're born. And some of those people swim through those waters and become these incredibly powerful artists. And that's what's so fascinating about America. The James Browns, the princes, the people that swam through that water who are extraordinary the marvin gayes the muhammad ali's the joe frazier's the david and goliath so many people yeah no it's it's a thing i'm listening

to the david and goliath uh malcolm gladwell book but and it has a lot of that like defying the odds in a lot of ways you know but but know, in terms of the black box, that is an action that like to have us, uh, to do something like, even if it's so simple as a digital action in solidarity, it feels powerful. It does.

It feels like a, a, a recognition and a cognizance that is, is a consciousness that, you you know you can sit here you can sit here and thought but when you start to open up a conversation or express yourself and it's scary i've been expressing myself and i've been falling on my fucking face but i keep getting back up because i want to understand. And there's a real... Can I stop you right there?

Please, yeah. But you weren't falling on your face when you're talking to those people in real life, like the real video back and forth stuff. No. No problems. No. The problem is Twitter. The problem is talking through text.

Sure. If anybody talks to you or you, you guys are really nice people. Like from the moment I met you. Like we met in like 2012. Holy shit. I think at the Ice House. We did. You said that before. Hey, we did that End of the World show in December of 2012.

Oh my God. That's so long. December 21st, 2012. In 2010 maybe. Yeah, for sure. Hey, 10 year anniversary y'all. Yeah, let's do it. Ben's out of booze.

Don't drink that. Ben, pour first. We have patience. He put a joint in his glass. You desecrated your whiskey glass. Then take mine and pour whiskey in the joint one. I'll drink that. Don't be a bitch.

No, pour whiskey in that one. You're going to drink out of it? Yes, of course I will. That's the point of this. Guys, stop fighting. Guys, stop fighting. Pour the whiskey. No, pour whiskey in that one. Pour whiskey in your... Yes, of course I will. That's the point of this. Guys, stop fighting. Guys, stop fighting. Pour the whiskey. No, no, no, no, no.

Don't drink out of that glass. Pour the real amount of whiskey, like a drink. I don't want to sue you. What are you talking about? If I was at a bar and I bought a whiskey... There's got to be more glasses around here. There's a lot of glasses. I want more glasses.

Give me the joint glass. I'm not scared. I'm not scared of dirt. What are we going to do? I'm not giving it to you. Yes. There's ash in... What are you scared of? I'm not scared. I'm not scared of dirt. What are we going to do? I'm not giving it to you. There's ashen. What are you scared? We shared a joint.

Joe, look. Your life matters more than ours. Give me the fucking weed. Charcoal in a glass. Joe, you need to stay alive. Unnecessary. For the world. Unnecessary.

Stay alive. Yeah, we can't give you this contaminated glass of whiskey. He ate the first dip he ever did. It's going to be fine. I wish I could tell you what's going on in my body. Pour it in the fucking... I wonder if I just drink out of this fucking thing.

Ben, give it to him. He's in the show. Give it to him. He wants it. Give me that. Give me that. Give me it. Give me it. Pour whiskey in that. There's whiskey in it. Pour more like a real drink. It's gonna be okay, There's whiskey in it. Oh, God, it's so scary. No, pour more, like a real drink. It's going to be okay, guys.

Jesus, Ben. Ben, Jamie, tell them. Joe Rogan says we have to conquer our inner bitch. You're not going to give them feces with hookworms in it. It's just a little bit of whiskey. It's fine. It's fine. Okay, but I still don't have whiskey.

I've been doing this forever. This is yours. Take that one. Pour a glass and let's clink. Oh, my God. Clink. Pour a glass. What's going to happen after this? Zero. Zero things.

No, I mean like for the long haul. Are you going to start life again? Salute. Hey, I went in on that. I love you guys so much. Are we talking a decade here? I think we've been friends for reasonably

at least nine years or eight years. The first studio I remember I thought was in the Ice House. It was like a side room. I'm talking about, it was definitely in Pasadena. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my god. You know, my friend Eddie Bravo is a really... He's great.

We've met him. Yeah, yeah. But he's a really big fan of you guys. What? Yeah. And when you guys performed at that show where it was you guys, Joey Diaz, Doug Stanhope. Doug, yeah. One of my favorite times of life. I wore a fucking suit. I never wear a suit on stage. You look dope as fuck.

It's the only time I ever wore a suit in a comedy show ever was with us. I was like, if the Mayans were right, if the Mayans were right, we're going to go down looking good. Let's ride this bitch out. But Eddie Bravo, who's like, he's a real fan of music. You guys were on stage and he was like, God damn, these motherfuckers are talented. He's a sweet dude. But it was really interesting because Eddie had never seen you guys before. He didn't know. And he goes, who are these people? I go, they're really good friends of mine. I love him a lot. But it was really interesting because Eddie had never seen you guys before. He didn't know.

And he goes, who are these people? I go, they're really good friends of mine. They're called Honey Honey. And I start telling them this song, that song, Angel of Death, ba, ba, ba. We start talking. Let's get wrecked. And then we're sitting backstage, and he sees you guys go on stage. He goes, whoa.

I go, bro, these motherfuckers are talented. That was 2012 2012 December 21st that was at the thank you for having us on that show it was really special I love you guys one of the coolest things about having a

there's us backstage oh my god Jamie took all these pictures I put a suit on having a pot there's us backstage oh my god oh my god that's right Jamie took all these pictures look at you guys Jamie that's a great shot

I put a suit on oh you both look so handsome I actually had a suit made but because they they don't make them for chimps you gotta go you gotta get

you gotta get look at that yeah there it is oh that's so special oh my god I want yeah it's special I want that 2012

was Duncan there? yes he was there oh he had his own dressing room I guess didn't he come to hang out? oh Bill Burr came down I remember meeting Bill that night and being like holy shit well I felt like

no no bullshit there's Doug in his cool little plaid jacket there's Eddie there's very few times in all of life where someone has the opportunity

to be the person who says hey we might all die tonight so so that's rage this is what I think

when it was fill up a giant place. I'm going to get together with a bunch of my friends and let's love each other. Let's have fun. It was so much fun. Let's listen to music.

Let's talk some shit. You crushed it that night. It was a fun night. It was fire. Everybody was really excited. It was a fun night. It was like everybody and even if it didn't happen and and it didn't happen, here we are,

eight years later, everybody's okay. Apparently the world was not supposed to end then, unless this is the afterlife. But we keep that place, the Wiltern. I think that's one of the great theaters in LA. Oh, yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. I hope they can open soon.

Just open. Open. I think a place like that would probably be easier because there's chairs. You say, no one's sitting there. No one's sitting there. You know what I mean? This is my motto. It's four words.

Let people take risks. Oh, my God. You let people do motocross and BMX. I got to tell you, I am mourning the live show. It's been tough. Yeah? Yeah. It's hard.

It's hard. There's a special connection you have to audiences right yeah yeah i feel that way too i'm sure uh you can kind of make songs with nobody around you know but i can't make any jokes i can make like if i had to write out my shit and then go out like randomly without ever trying it out in an audience, I might I might hit like 70 percent of the time. That means like 30 percent of my jokes are going to be terrible. To see mine. Dude, the pain of 30 percent of your jokes failing might kill you. No, no, no.

Don't. No. No. It wouldn't me. No. But I'm just saying, like 30%, a lot of people paying money to hear jokes and 30% die. I feel like our set was like 10% worked when we first started. And we slowly, like over 10 years it took us.

And we probably got to 85%. That's a fair assessment. I'll hang with that. But don't you think, no bullshit, that the 85% you hit when you guys got comfortable was probably one of the most satisfying experiences you could ever imagine because you know you went through the beginning. Yeah. Well, and then we both also went off and did different projects

and sort of had different assessments of what that percentage spectrum looked like. And now that we're sort of coming back to integrating our music together, it feels so differently. We're both such better musicians. And I'd like to think we've had our separate therapy and our work, and so it just feels different. What kind of therapy do you guys do? Oh, all kinds.

I mean, oh my God, you can do the one I'm so jealous. I've always wanted to. You can't do that? No, you dick. Stop doing Botox. I can't. I couldn, you can do the one. I'm so jealous. I've always wanted to. You can't do that? No, you dick. Stop doing Botox. I can't. I couldn't do it before Botox. You did Botox?

Shut up. Whoa. What? I've never heard about this. Yeah, I mean, I got a line here. Wow, ladies don't want wrinkles. No ladies want wrinkles. None of them.

Look, look, look, look, look, look, look. First of all. Listen, stop shaming the Botox, Ben. I'm not shaming the Botox. It was just a surprise. No ladies want wrinkles. None of them. Look, look, look, look, look, look, look. First of all. Listen, stop shaming the Botox, Ben. I'm not shaming the Botox. It was just a surprise. I'll be honest. Caught me off guard. First of all, yes, I've had Botox.

Have you heard of Brotox? Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it. I know what it looks like now. Like when this shit doesn't work. I saw a cat kill a squirrel. I know it's real. The proof is in the pudding, Joe.

No, I'll tell you what. I don't fuck with my lips. Please. Thank you. I won't. I don't like that look. Don't worry about your forehead either. And no disrespect to the ladies that do.

Stop shooting botulism so close to your dome. I just had this angry line that was bumming me out. Yeah, that's welcome to my life. But you're the buddha of of podcasting and the prince and the king of spotify i told you i'm the joker whatever anyway let me have my botox i wish there was something better that wasn't botulism no there is and you know what i've done it i've done it twice now i've done botox twice and that's a fact no and I there's all kinds of

things you can do I do well I have a lot of really great natural skincare this company called epic urine that I really like and then there's also laser light therapy no joke get your joint out of your whiskey dude while I talk about care. Unnecessary, Joe. Unnecessary. You know, he's like, you're just, you bro. You jock. I love you. I told you. I'm making up for the fact that Jamie beat me in our weekly NAD IV

drip. There's a match. That's how you win. And that is how you win, Jamie. Are we gonna lift weights after this or what? Okay. I'm so down. Sure. Alright. Have you been lifting? Yeah. Look at this. I'm so down. Sure. All right. Have you been lifting? Yeah. Look at this. I'm going to get you to a modified kettlebell instructor. Get you doing some shit.

Get you doing some windmills. Do you want to hold plank and I'll lose? I want to hold plank until I die. That's how I want to do it. When I'm 75, I'm just going to say, today is the day. These are my words of life. Joe Rogan's going to be in better shape at 75 than we are now at 35.

Is your back feeling fine right now sitting in this chair? Yeah, I'm good. Yours is bothering you? Yeah. What's bothering you? Lower back. Why? What are you doing wrong?

That's what I'm trying to figure out. When you say bothering, what do you mean? It's just like an ache. Have you gone to a doctor at all? Have you got an MRI? Is it your taint again? No, my taint's all good. How's your taint, son?

He had a taint thing for a while. Your dad grabbing you by the shoulders. How's your taint, son? No, it's a thing. Ben's taint. Your pelvic floor, bro. You've got to check that. You've got Gotta address it

Jamie Jamie fell down Off a hoverboard Right out here On our polished Fucking concrete floors And broke his ass bone What?

The coccyx? No No I think it's like An SI joint But it's all the same area Fuck I'm so sorry It's called acai He figured it out

Somebody else is explaining Who was it? Zach Bitter Had a same thing. That's right. Zach Bitter. The guy who, he broke the world record 100 mile run. He ran 100 miles faster than any human being has ever ran it. He ran 100 miles.

What kind of shoes was he wearing? Who gives a fuck? He can do it. I give a fuck? He can do it better for us. He's an animal. I want to know what kind of shoes he was wearing. I don't want to tell you. Okay, fine.

I want you to look in your soul. Are we still friends? I don't want to stop yelling because it means I lost the fight. I bought a pair of his shoes they are excellent because they're escalators so Jamie did you say something have you addressed your pelvic floor and healed

yourself is that what you're saying yes through a lot of like physical therapy basically but like almost basic stretching can guys do kegels but like what is this salchines or I don't know no no no it's not that he's uh Kegels? What is his? Salconies or Asics? I don't know.

No, no, no. It's not that. I just pulled up a quick picture and they look like Salconies. Yeah, I think it's another company. I bought Salconies. Salconies make really good Ultra. That's right. A-L-T-R-A. I'm going to ditch this.

Salcony makes a really good trail shoe, though. So this guy ran 100 miles in like 11 hours. How many hours? Holy shit. Wow, look at him. This was around the track. He also did it on a treadmill. Damn.

Yeah, the treadmill was really recently. But he broke the world record on ground for the fastest 100 mile ever. And I think he did it. I like the beard better. Sorry. He's an animal.

But he's a really nice guy. Got Will Forte vibes, says Ben, over there stretching. He runs in these ultras, and he told me about them. They're flat, you know, as opposed to, like like the idea of the heel of a lot of running shows or running shoes are fatter. Those are really not the way your body's designed. I wonder what kind of like feet he has. How is his arch?

I personally have a collapsed arch. I have pancakes for feet. I have no fucking arch. I think that dude. I want to talk about me. I think that dude. I probably did. could run on lava. Look at Joe Rogan talking about running on air.

I think he could run on the moon. He just runs. It's a mind thing more than anything. Like having a really good pair of shoes, whether it's Nike or Ultra or Saucony. That's great. I thought it was Saucony, but whatever. Saucony. I'm not weighing in on this.

Jamie? I'm sorry I brought it up. Is it Saucony or Saucony? I honestly don't hear anybody ever say it. I just read it. You're 100% right. Yeah. Thank you for drawing attention to this, Suzanne.

That fucked me up with voila forever. What? Voila. Voila? It starts with voila forever. What? Voila. Voila? It starts with a V. Like voila. Oh, like voila. Voila.

Voila. Yeah, voila. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I get it. When I first started reading scripts, I was like, voila. Oh, my God. What the fuck is this?

Back. I love that joke. How can you know all of the things? I mean. The things. Well, just like pronunciations. Like, there's so many variations. And I say this from a place of earnest.

I misuse a lot of words. Me too. And mispronounce them. And it's very humbling. No. Oh, yeah. It's only humbling because you feel like you want people

to like you need a bodyguard you know like a psychic bodyguard. Almost everybody does. Like come on. No. Get the fuck out of here. Like one person who gets it. This is my psychic bodyguard. Look over your ideas. It's Ben Jaffe. I'm real. Yeah. I'm a real person. You don't need me.

You got this. Where do I donate? You don't need me you got this you don't need me you guys have a paypal in fact we do Patreon is so weird I'm trying to figure out how to interact with that it's so weird listen this is what I think if I do

like a lot of people think you shouldn't do sponsors this is what I think let me talk about some sponsors A lot of people think you shouldn't do sponsors. This is what I think. Let me talk about some sponsors that I actually believe in. And then let's pretend I never said it. Okay. This is also a- And then just go. Should we delete that part?

No. Okay. Cool. No. Because all of my sponsors are like good companies. Like you want to buy a Yeti cooler. That's a good cooler. You want to buy a Black Rifle coffee.

That's great coffee. But let's forget about all that. Let's forget. What are we really talking about, Joe? What are we talking about? You tell us. What are we really talking about? We're talking about life.

We're talking about honey, honey. This idea that you gotta be scared. Like, scared of what? Wait, but what does that have to do with Patreon? Cause if you want money, and you, I don't want any sponsors, I just wanted to support my fans. Right, right, right.

No, I want sponsors. Buffalo Trace, you hear me? Honeyhoney.com slash Patreon. Yeah. It's weird. We haven't Patreon'd before. No. I don't. me honey honey calm slash patreon yeah no we're not we're not patreon before no and I always feel weird about other platforms even even though you can't avoid it I mean like YouTube that somebody else's platform at this point our own platform is good enough for me yeah I would say then to be said sorry I would submit that it's better to take money from sponsors and then say what you feel.

Any sponsors you want to throw our way, just let us know. But on Patreon, your audience is your sponsors. It's the same shit. No, it's not. It's a bunch of creeps who want you to not sell out. Do what I'm telling you,

you bad chaffy. You're a fucking pussy. That's my pussy voice. Who's telling you to, Ben Chaffee! You're a fucking pussy! That's my pussy voice. Who's telling you to do it? Oh, the people that you're saying. You two commenters. Well, who gives a shit? You said that the first time we met.

The first time we met, you were like, guys. I'm a hypocrite, you're a hypocrite. Would you like to be a hypocrite too? Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Get the drum set. For God's sake. I think there's a compromise here.

This would be a good room for it too because there's baffling in here. It wouldn't be overwhelming. What's baffling? I'm so fucked up. There's a lot of absorptive substances and textures. 90%. I mean, out there it would sound fucking great.

I don't know what you mean. That's the thing. You go out there. It would sound massive. It's like John Bonham. Sound baffling. Yeah. It's a good spot.

Okay. If you were going to have a drum set, where would you put it in this room? In this room? Well, your butt. I'd put it in that corner, actually, except for the door. You're going to bump anywhere. I'm not moving the door. No, it's that corner.

I'm just saying. No, you've got to move some shit around. The one place that can't be changed. The fucking door. I moving the door. No, it's that corner. I'm just saying me. No, you've got to move some shit around. The one place that can't be changed. The fucking door. Not practical, Ben. Ben's practical. No, you're just like everybody else. Social justice warriors.

I don't see the connection. NRA members. Don't understand the connection. No flexibility. That corner. Right there. Right there. That corner.

I think that corner is it. Near my Thai Buddha. No, no, no. Made out of gold. I'm scared. Right to it. Is what I think that corner is it. You're my Thai Buddha? No, no, no. Made out of gold? I'm scared. Right to it. Is what I actually meant to say. For the record, I'm going to go under the table and I'm going to wait there until things calm down.

You didn't have to do that. You didn't have to drink the joint. You didn't make a difference to anyone but you. This guy. This guy. But I did. You didn't have to. But I did.

That's true. That was your choice. And I celebrate that. You didn't have to. But I did. That's true. That was your choice. And I celebrate that. I celebrate both of you. We couldn't do this today if it wasn't for each other. A hundred percent. Truth. I have said that probably as many times as could be a drinking date.

I hate to do this, but I'm going to assume that you know I love you. I love you back. I love you. We love you too. But you know, right? Oh, yeah. Like when we were like, let's do it! Let's do it! We're like, yeah! We know. We know it was going to be

hugs and fun. We've known each other for 10 fucking years. Ben said, we had a relationship development yesterday, and you said to me about, I said, Ben, I'm really excited for our drive to Joe Rogan because I think we should listen to Run the Jewels and get super pumped up. Oh, yeah. This is my Suze revelation.

And you said. Oh, well, I've just been realizing you just like to get excited. It doesn't matter what it is. It's the act of getting excited. No, it matters what it is. It has meaning act of It matters what it is excited. It's exciting to you But yes, and I know that was new so seen by you I've known you for 15 years ish and like I just felt like oh my god you get it Yes, I love to be excited and you supported me in that moment

KILL A MIKE FOR PRESIDENT! So what do we do on our way? How do we how we work way Our drive down here So Dwayne The Rock How do we How do we work in this Whatever Run the juice fast Run the juice fast It's Titan FC

Run run run run run run run Fuck the slow mo This is Was that movie With Schwarzenegger The Terminator No The one where

True life Conan the Barbarian Fighting for their lives Kindergarten cop The kindergarten The nanny Where he gets pregnant Junior Junior That's what I meant The one where the fucking... True life. Conan the Barbarian. Fighting for their lives. Kindergarten cop. The kindergarten. The nanny? Where he gets pregnant.

Junior. Junior. That's what I meant. It's not called Junior. No, it is called Junior. No, that's a different movie. You fucking CIA shills. It was Junior. It's not called Junior.

None of us were alive when that came out. Pretty sure it was Kindergarten cop. How dare you? What's going to happen to us after this podcast is released? I don't know. But you know what? I don't give a fuck anymore. I don't give a fuck.

Listen, we're going to be fine. We're going to be fine. No, I just want to be my real self all the time. This is a thing. This is it. This is a thing that's happening because of the lack of, like, if you hear someone's words, you kind of get it. If you hear someone's words repeated by somebody

else you don't really get it. If you see them written down you barely get it at all. That was amazing. That's guttural. That's what's happening. That's what's happening. Another beautiful thing about music. Sorry. Yes. You're right. It transcends time.

Centuries. I can play a piece of music and fucking bach wrote that down and now i can experience the same ish thing i gotta be shout out to ben's side project called the bach street boys check it bach street we could look that up uh i think we should plug ben jaff. No, it's so good. They wear wigs. Let's not before I get angry. I don't want to piss Joe off. No, it's so special though and you look so hard at it. It's lovely. I'm so proud of you.

Thank you, Susie. I love you. When a girl ever tells you something that's really so special. It's fucking awesome, first of all. Fucking riff that shit, bro. Oh, there we fucking are, Joe. You gotta do it.

That's a box tree boy. That's a box tree boy. Is this you? No. Yes. Yeah, it is. Me, Drew Tomfeld, represent. Which one is you? What do you mean? I'm the one on the right, Joe. You said you love me. You can't even recognize me.

Oh, now I get it. Okay. It's these fast MTV music video cuts. Who's that cowboy with the white hat? He's kicking us off his car. We're just a bunch of hooligans. That's the Box Street Boys. And don't you forget it.

He has glasses on. Take it from him. He doesn't even know where he is. Piss on his door. He can't see now. Look at this. Boom. Look, it's what needs to be done.

It's what needed to be done at that time. Why the wigs? It's what needed to be done. It's Bach. It's just. Bach Street Boys. It's just a thing. Do you know where the wigs came from?

Syphilis. Dude, come on. Syphilis. Because people were losing their hair? Yes. Holy shit. Ben, do you have syphilis? Do you know?

I got my hair, girl. Go check it out. Do you know the expression? Check your dick. Do you know the expression? Big wigs? What's wrong with this girl? She's awesome.

That's what's wrong with her. She's awesome and she's drunk. Okay, thanks, Joe. Have you ever heard of the expression big wigs? That's from guys with huge wigs where they're losing their fucking hair from syphilis. It was started from- Big wig. Yes.

What? It was starting from these royal brothers. When was that, Jamie? It worked out. I'm so bummed. Was it like France or something? It was looking like a hundred. By the way, who's better than Jamie?

One hand. Zero people. Jamie's the best. Jamie. Okay. Dang. So these two guys. Also looking pretty good, though.

What year was this? Can we talk about Jamie's biceps? You can if you want, but let me take my pants off first. Oh, no. 1580. I admit to objectifying my friends, and I'm sorry. Can we make that bigger? Damn.

Worst epidemic since the Black Death. So all these dudes had syphilis. Because, you know, they were living without... Long hair was a trendy status symbol and a bald dome could stain any reputation. Why didn't they go the other way? That's unfortunate. We're all bald. No, no, no.

They were living without the internet. Fuck, you're right. But were they? No, I'm kidding. Yeah. Guys, I am on another planet right now. Those are real mushrooms.

Easy, Joe. I don't... Here we are. Here we are. What, Jamie? Jamie? Good? Jamie's good. Put that shit up on the screen. Is there a hot tub here? I love this clock. Here we are. What, Tammy? Make that. Tammy's good.

Put that shit up on the screen. Is there a hot tub here? I love this clock. I wish there was. Does the person who makes these clocks continue to make them or advertise? Can we get a clock? Tammy? Yes, you can. TGT Studios.

Thank you for saying that. He's awesome. That's all I'm saying. That's what I'm trying to figure out. They're dope, right? Yeah. It's beautiful. What are those I'm saying. That's what I'm trying to figure out. They're dope, right? Yeah. It's beautiful. What are those things called?

Nixie tubes. They're just like the same thing that get put in a... I could totally make that. Guitar amplifier. Say it again? Nixie. Oh, they're tubes. Nixie.

Nixie. Wow. Yeah. And really beautiful hardwood. Yep. Love it. Got a lot of great shit in here. There's something that's undeniable about wood,

about a beautiful wood connected with electronics. Are we still talking about Jamie's biceps? No, no, no. I think we're moving south. We're moving to his tank. The pelvic floor, Jamie. The pelvic floor. Jamie, we're sorry.

Not sorry. If you're a girl and you're in love. Go on. And you get to Jamie's taint. You see Nixie Tubes. He's more machine than man. You freak out and you just keep going. Pledge allegiance to the new world order.

Oh my God. I'm crying. Holy shit. Nixie Tube Jesus Oh wow Here we are I think they're from Russia I don't trust any of them They're Huawei designed

I've been at a Huawei for a while Me too I'm a rebel Well a while. Me too. I'm a rebel. Well, because of the, what's that? Sorry. Leica camera lens. Beautiful.

Because I like taking photos. Other side project, Jamie. That's not what it was. Empty. It wasn't Leica? I have one. Soggy. No, I'm talking about the Huawei phone. I know, I know.

They didn't put this lens. So it was a lie? Not a lie, but I read into it. They hired Leica engineers to produce a Leica-style image through using software and whatnot. They didn't actually have Leica glass. I mean, let's be honest. The iPhone takes a great photo. I didn't actually have a glass in there.

I mean, let's be honest. The iPhone takes a great photo. And I also have a little Fujifilm with a 50mm lens that I love. And it's really fun to learn how to use. I'm getting there. But overall, the Huawei is whatever. Nobody else is back at Aspern? Ben's doing yoga!

Ben, what's going on with you? Is it your brundle again? You keep going there, sis. You don't need to go there. Jamie, you know a lot about photography and stuff like that. Do you think that there's certain cults of brands, like Sony versus Leica versus... For the longest time, it was Canon versus Nikon.

The same way it's like Apple versus Android. There's a thing they do with hunting optics, too. I use a lot of different stuff. Leica has a whole different brand that is extended beyond cameras and whatnot. It's like they're all good, though.

It's like they're in denial that they're not all good. It's very highly engineered all good, though. It's like they're in denial that they're not all good. It's very highly engineered glass from hundreds of years and proprietary methods. It's so hard to detect the differences. Like, guys have to get them on tripods and, like, stare through the lenses and look at a parakeet and go, Mike, it's close. It's kind of, it looks like. That is the indicator.

And then they look at another one. This is like a lens cut in half. What the fuck, man? I don't know if anybody that's looking, that's really small. I don't know the actual number or size compared to. But this is really probably only a two or three inch lens. And there's all that mechanic stuff going on inside there. There's like one, two, three,

four, five different. What does the aperture get down to? So it runs from 2.4. Science! It's like 16. I don't know this one in particular but it's probably like a 2.4 or 2.0. Alright. I think we'll be cutting an $11,000 lens in half just to show it. I got some other

stuff going on up there, yeah. Why do people wear powder wings Leica but this is why it's so expensive it's because they put all this into a tiny tiny tiny little package like I'm saying I can't show it on camera because I don't have it

but it's like 2 inches by 2 inches like a little 2 inch cylinder and DSLR cameras that would be similar to that the lens is 3 to 5 pounds, maybe 11 pounds, and they're somewhere like 2 feet long. That's huge. That's too much. No!

No! I only want an 8-inch hot dog. No 12 inches ever in my park. Joseph. Hot dogs. What the fuck do we do now, guys? Oh my God. How's everyone feeling?

Everybody breathe. Let's Wim Hof our way out of this shit. Wait, that's the breathing technique. What's his name? Wim Hof. Whoa. Yes. He's the first guy I ever talked to

didn't give a fuck if I breathed out of my nose or out of my mouth. I've had people send me videos of this man. Let's listen. And then a certain dance between the cold and your breath

begins to start up, begins to charge your body. And after 25 breaths like that, very conscious in the cold. The cold is a force and it has its impact. And you go along

with the cold and what it does on the physiology, and you use your breathing. Now I know what happens physiologically, but then, those days, it was all by feeling. What does happen physiologically? You become fully charged. The carbon dioxide goes out. the carbon dioxide goes out, O2 begins to roam freely throughout the body and fills up every cell, and the pH levels go up. Now, when you say you altered your breathing, what you're showing me here is just breathing in and breathing out. What's specifically different about that than normal breathing the the way i used it um it was like after 25 breaths

was so fully charged uh i i could stay like five to seven minutes under the ice every time very controlled that means that there is not only a whole lot of oxygen inside the body, but the pH levels go up. Now, later on, I began to understand by science, by thinking about it. It's like saturated with oxygen. Yeah, deducting and all that. I saw that we are able to tap into the brainstem, the adrenaline. That we are able to tap into the brainstem the adrenaline We showed lying in bed people

Producing more adrenaline now. I know how to show to people just in a couple of days That means every listener right now is able to do that So we have proven this scientifically and it showed that people lying in bed were able to produce more adrenaline than somebody in fear going for its first bunker jump bungee and when but you're still I'm still confused as to how you're doing anything differently other than deep breathing you're taking a deep breathe in and deep breathe out and now we retent from breathing after exhalation retent we stop breathing after exhalation once breathe in like what show me the method like if if you if you go with me all right 30 times okay let go okay fully in once again fully in letting go Right on fully in but letting go not fully out just letting go but fully in

Once again and once again, come on, don't hesitate give it It's about changing the chemistry right now in your body. So I'm breathing in... If you become lightheaded and at a certain point you're so fully charged and the pH levels go to a very high level, you're able to stay without air in the lung for minutes. What? Just keep on that feeling is understanding go on and deeply in letting go deeply in letting go deeply in letting go ten times more deeply in letting go deeply in letting go I'm gonna time it. Letting go. Deeply in. Letting go.

Give it fully. Take him in. Letting go. Take him in. Letting go. Take him in. Letting go. No hesitation. I do this with the ovary as well. And he feels wonderful. Take a man. Fully letting go. All through the mouth? Not like no. Okay. Five times more. Deeply in.

Letting go. Deeply in. Letting go. Deeply in. Letting go. two times more letting go and stop just stop witness without air in the lungs you are able to stay much more than normally than normally why Because we changed your chemistry. Carbon dioxide went out, O2 went up,

filled up all the cells and the pH levels go up. Then we are able to tap into the central nervous system and at the end we got the brain stem and that's the place of the pineal gland hypothalamus pituitary gland and the pineal gland makes the secretion of adrenaline in dangerous situations Normally we do not get into it because of of our shallow breathing This is the way to get into the

the most primitive part, the reptilian brain, without many difficulties and fend off bacteria, getting better into the endocrine systems. We'll talk about it later. You're past 110 in minutes and you're still on that shows that the capacity to fill yourself up with oxygen is a lot more than we normally use and as we do not use it we are not making a use of the full capacity of our physiology now we found out we got a different layers and we never use it and this is the way to learn to use it to tap in and bang into the primitive brain into the endocrine systems

immune systems the way nature has meant it to be everybody is able to do 145 and this is only around one if we would do like three rounds you would go to three minutes, four minutes. Without air. Without training. It only shows the capacity to store up oxygen inside. We never use that. You're doing great.

He's doing already two, five, almost two ten. Whenever you feel the urge to breathe, you don't need to force. It's only learning how to oxygenize the body and all the cells. You're going great, man. Nice one. Feels good, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's okay. Two-thirty-oh.

Yeah, when you feel the urge to breathe, you breathe in fully and keep it for 10-15 seconds then that's one round Fully in and keep it And now you press your belly Yeah neck and then the head And now you are able to tap into the brainstem Yeah, that's it. That's insane.

How weird is it that we need to breathe? You don't even think about it. You need gas. Yeah. In your cell sacs. It hit me when he was talking about shallow breathing because when I was really dealing with insomnia

that would be like this thing. I never felt like I could I just didn't have that capacity I want to say too something you talk about a lot you talked about it today singing is a healthy expression of that kind of breathing sure yeah I injured my vocal cords and had to go through therapy and this style of breathing this is something was addressed and learned to do. And it was incredible how fast I healed myself just through breathing. There's also something when people talk loudly, whether singing or speaking, there's a thing that we do where we strain the vocal cords. Sure. Yeah.

Yeah, and that's been a crazy, we were talking about it today, pushing when it comes to your breath and singing is completely antithetical to what you're trying to do. I know you're like caught up in the momentum of trying to get people to pay attention. Yeah. But someone like Marvin Gaye or James Brown, they're so calm in those moments,

or at least in relation to that behavior that they're able to resonate with their bone structure in a way that makes you react emotionally yeah because they're so connected to their breath people talk Ginsburg talked about Bob Dylan that way he said he got to this point when he was had kind of his peak in the 60s of that power he said Dylan became a column of when he was at kind of his peak in the 60s of that power. He said Dylan became a column of air. He's just breathing.

He just turned into a focused breath. I think that Sturgill, when he nails it. He's an incredible artist. Sturgill, he catches this fucking vibration. When some of his songs are like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, he's special. And I think he's lucky it came so late for him because he had so much ground underneath him that he could make real artistic decisions. Yeah, 100%. I feel like that about Nathaniel Rateliff, too.

A lot came later for him, too. Almost all. I mean, it doesn't mean you have to have it. Like, Taylor Swift could be, like, amazing. You don't have to define her by who she was, like, X amount of years ago. It's all bullshit. But the reality is, like, whatever it is, it's how you address it and how you express it. Yeah.

And when you get a guy like sturgill that was working on the fucking railroads till he's like 36 yeah it's authentic as fuck he was working on rail yeah ryan bingham ryan bingham's a friend of ours we've toured with him a bunch he's he's similar in that like like i remember ryan bingham, he's a beautiful man. He was in Jeff Bridges' movie Crazy Heart. That was a great movie. He wrote the theme song for it. He won an Oscar for it.

And he dedicated his Oscar to his wife. It was really beautiful. But Ryan Bingham, we toured with him a lot. And I remember saying, Ryan, I love your, you have such great teeth. He's like, this shit ain't real. I got my teeth kicked out by a bull when I was 18 and I was like, right. Sorry. Gotcha. But like, he is

just like, he is a cowboy. He's from Texas. He's an incredible songwriter and he's a wonderful person and he's one of those that you're just like, that is the real deal. And, you know, we're all the real deal in our real different ways you know and like i but like some people have had like acutely different paths like sturgill and it's just like tip of the hat man it's it's really really special

like everybody it's all different you know it's like it's not a contest see who's fucked up more not that that's not what I meant that's what so another music thing is

that's a medium you just expressing it's not accomplishment base it's different from sport sport offers different shit but

with music the people with the clearest expression of self are the communicators as opposed to this degree of achievement. And I think that's just a beautiful and linguistic part of it. It's weird, right? Because sports, like, I want to dunk on you. You want to dunk on me.

Fuck you. Yeah, competition is an interesting thing in terms of development. You know, like, it helps people excel, but it also represses people. It's like that big fish in a little pond, little fish in a big pond thing. This is the problem. Competition without compassion. It's not that competition is bad. Competition is good, but being a dick is bad.

And the problem is the two of them go hand in hand. That's really the problem. Is that people that want to win in competition, they can also be a dick. It's not necessary. Which is why when I beat you in pool the last time I was on the podcast, I didn't bring it up. I was like internally just like. Dude, I had like three balls on the table.

Suzanne shot that eight in the corner. I was like, no. All bullshit. Suzanne Santo can play a little pool. I noticed you didn't mention me in it. As definitely Ben Jaffe can play a little pool as well. But you never beat me, bitch. Damn it.

Suzanne beat me at least one game. But in your defense, we were super fucked up. We were definitely super fucked up, and we were having fun. Like, we started talking about Spotify, and I couldn't hit a ball. I was like, I don't know what happened. Yeah, it was tough. We weren't focused. We weren't focused.

I don't even believe life. I don't believe it. How are people going to sort through your shit on Spotify? It's the same people, man. It's not like if you have Spotify, you can't have iTunes. I mean, I don't know how many carryover people there are between both platforms. I'm just saying, I guess you can absolutely search shit on Spotify. I don't know what I'm talking about.

You definitely can search shit. I was just thinking, I don't know what I'm talking about. Stop stop talking no it's all right thanks guys it's weird it's weird it's just a different move it to a new platform it's weird yeah yeah and it's mostly a mobile thing i guess that's why i always when i think spotify i think my phone you know and i think youtube i think my computer i mean i do, but... But I think you can see it on everything. Yeah, you're right. You can listen on everything, right?

Is there a timeline with it? It starts... September, it starts. And then it becomes only on Spotify in January. Whoa. I don't know if this is fucked up. Did YouTube counter offer? There was no conversation.

No conversation? Why not? Interesting. YouTube? I have such a computer. There's nothing. I don't have anything against YouTube, especially since I'm so drunk.

You are not alone, sir. Yeah, let's work out. Are we done? Can we work out? Yeah, we definitely can. There's nothing wrong with anything. It's risky, Ben. That's a good thing. But, you know, the thing was like Spotify was like, let's do this shit together.

I'm like, okay. Yeah. This is dangerous. These waters are fraught with peril well now you're like people are taking down ships and demonetizing you were already global before but now it's like like it's just it's great man i'm like thank you honestly i've been friends for a long time yeah and i don't understand any of this. No, but you do something important. It's special. And like, sorry. Allegedly.

Accept it. Accept whatever. I'll just, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what I think. It's weird for me and for you. It's hashtag powerful. Um. Wow. She just did it. I did it. Jamie, what's the time on this podcast? So long.

It's 6 630 now what time it's 430 4 hours and 30 minutes I already had to we're technically in my part 2 I'm gonna have to do

some magic here to get it together oh Jesus should we wrap it up right now Ben let's play one song let's play what you're gonna do now

cause that's all I can conjure up please I'm on mushrooms I'm with you for fuck's sake hold on there's a technical issue no on mushrooms. I'm with you. For fuck's sake. Hold on. There's a technical issue.

No, no, no. Great. I think we're fine. If it's not, I'll figure it out. Okay. We're going to play What You Can Do Now, and I'm real fucked up. Me too. I love that song.

Okay, cool. That's great news. Listen. Yes. I love you guys. What are we doing? This is so exciting. It's so great.

It's so great. Listen. What's the most exciting about this is this is one of the rare. Okay. The most exciting thing is not just that I love you guys, but it's also, this is a rare moment where people get publicly fucked up. Yeah. And just.

Yeah. And we could talk about our problems openly. Let shit fly. It feels nice. Let it fly, it fly baby what are you gonna live forever it's nice to do a four and a half hour podcast with you when we haven't seen you together in so long three million times folks

no bullshit it means a lot to me oh my god it means a lot to us when I first met you guys I wasn't even performing at the comedy store what oh that's right I met you guys I wasn't even performing at the comedy store what? oh that's right I met you guys during the boycott era I love you guys

you're awesome oh my god we love you too alright let's sing to the people and sing to Joe and Jamie. Oh, baby, that fire's coming down. Right into your walls, right out of your mouth and everything you love just dashed on the ground

oh so what you gonna do now so you run to the river you run to the river, you run to the sea You sift through the rubble and search the debris But you won't find anything if you don't find peace Ooh, so what you gonna do now? Ooh, so what you gonna do now? Don't wait until you die Cause you can always change your mind

And make it right So why are you still waiting outside? Maybe your mama didn't treat you right Maybe you just didn't sleep last night You know I don't give a damn what you wanna fight Oh, so what you gonna do now? Don't wait until you die Cause you can always change your mind and make it right

So why are you still waiting outside? Thank you. So come out from the weeds and into my arms Oh babe, I know the dark and how it can harm you Yeah, I've had my conscience rip me apart too so here's what we're gonna do now take all of your

needs and all of your sins and all of the losses you threw to the wind we'll carry the weight if it breaks every limb Oh, and that's what we're gonna do now Don't wait until you die Cause you can always change your mind and make it right

So why are you still waiting outside? You're still waiting outside You're still waiting outside sloppy though. I'm going to take my headphones off. I'm going to chew some gum because my throat's real dry. Alright Joe, you asked for it. Please. I feel like this is what brought us together. This one's going to tear us apart. No! No!

Okay. I honestly might need to glue it up for lyrics. Now I got it. Jamie's got you. Hold on. Tune up. We haven't played this.

We've played it like once. Jamie's got you. Don't worry. Don't tell anybody I said that even if this is on the internet. Wait, what? What? Exactly. Here it is. Okay... Wait, what? Exactly.

Here it is. Ben, we got this. I haven't drank in a month. We're all fucked up. But I'm having a great time. Tone it. How fun was this? So much fun.

Oh, my God. Right? Yep. I wish I was a 14-year-old girl. You are. Oh, my God. So fun. Yeah.

So fun. Like the funnest. The most fun. The biggest fun. I love you guys. The fact that we can do this. Oh, my God. This is amazing.

Get together and get blasted. It's the best. Publicly. Blasted. Take that, public. Take it. I'm floating on the wind Until I find you I bury myself deep inside your heart

You won't feel a change We'll just become the same thing And never spend a single day apart yes i guess there have been many others oh and yes i've treated them the same as you. All the quick I've let them drive. And I licked the salty tea as they cried. And many went from many to a few.

Went from many to a few. Cause I'm the angel of death, babe, the end is near. Keep your hand on your chest, don't let me whisper in your ear It's best to keep on walking Lock the door When I come knocking Mine's the voice You never wanna hear Rip it guitar solo Maybe you'll be shocked

By this admittance Cause things are rarely ever what they seem Oh, I don't mean you harm by my existence just let your tired eyes slip into dreams because i'm the angel of death baby the end is near Keep your hand on your chest Don't let me whisper in your ear It's best to keep on walking Lock the door when I come knocking Mine's the voice you never wanna hear

Yeah, mine's the voice you never wanna hear It brought us together! Many a year ago Oh my god That was awesome I mean we are in it guys We are in the We finished the bottle of booze Did we really?

Holy shit Yeah yeah yeah We got real problems Respect We got mushrooms Allegedly Allegedly I was like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uncle Nearest, we got real problems. We got mushrooms, allegedly. Allegedly. It might not be.

I was like, I didn't want to bring that up allegedly. move those cameras around judiciously. Wow. And we're going to jail. Fuck that.

You know what? We need to fight for our rights. We're going to the Space Force. We're going to be okay. This is a safe space. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

This was the best time. Thank you so much. I can't tell you how lovely this has been. It's been lovely for me too. I love you guys. You guys are awesome. Mutual. Ever since I met you, I knew.

I'm like, you guys are cool. I'm really excited that you're friends with me and that you make this music that makes me feel like there's music that makes me realize that there's a purity in expression you know like sometimes people put out stuff that you know you you just listen to it and oh, yeah, that guy is telling the truth or she's speaking from the heart. This is real. And that's what you guys do. So from me to you.

Oh, right back at you. King of Spotify. Keep it coming. Let's work it out. Young Jamie. Jamie V. Jamie. Jamie.

One hand Googler of all time. Jamie! Honey, honey, back in action 2020. The Yellowstone Volcano Tour. I want one. I want one. Good night, everybody.

Keep it fresh. Keep it in the basement. Keep it away from drones. Oh, my God. That was... We did it!