The Joe Rogan Experience - #1496 - Colion Noir

Episode Date: June 23, 2020

Colion Noir is a gun rights activist, lawyer, member of the National Rifle Association.

Boom, and we're live. Hey, great to see you. Thank you for being here. Appreciate you, man. I wore this just for you. Hey, yeah, I like it. I like it. And thank you for the gift, too, man.

You're just pandering at this point, brother. No. Come on, man. I do. I wore this for you. I had it. I knew I had it. I had to go find it.

My daughter's friend's ex-boyfriend worked for Glock. Ah, okay. Okay. Yeah, no, I had to get your gift, man. So it's my life pod. It's like my portable safe. Because you know out here in California, you have to, if you're going to travel with a firearm, it has to be in a lock case. Right.

And so when I travel out here to California, I do bring a firearm with me. I can't carry because my license isn't recognized out here. But I can keep a gun in my hotel and stuff like that. What do you have to do? Ted Nugent can carry everywhere. Because he's like a sheriff or some shit yeah there's always you know you have those little special licenses yeah you gotta you gotta did you ever see that steven seagal show the tv show where he was a cop uh it's like steven seagal lawman or some shit but it's so i think i was

younger when he when it came out he was a real cop uh-huh like he was arresting people like he was showing up in people's houses you you know, with a gun drawn. They're like, are you fucking Steven Seagal? Like, hey man, what's going on here? Wait, hold on. So it was like a reality show. A reality show. Stop it.

This is it right here. Yeah. And he would pull people. And because he was in New Orleans, he developed this. Give me some volume on this. You got to hear his accent. I don't know if I can. Oh, we'll get kicked off of YouTube if we give us a ball, but you got to watch on your own

He developed his like see as Louisiana Oh, yes, he did. Oh, yes, he did. Oh, yes, he did. Oh, yes, he did It was me and my friend Tom Segura's favorite show Because I grew up watching this dude, it's like he's literally running around yeah, ridiculous I make fun of that dude all the time, and he deserves it, but he was a legit Akito master. The suspect that we're looking for

is sitting on the ground right there. See, now that's a normal accent. It varies. It varies widely and wildly depending upon who he's actually talking to. This is surreal. Sometimes if he's talking to certain folks, he'll put on a deep Louisiana accent.

So how do I open this bad boy? Is this your brand? Yes. So basically I teamed up with this company called Vault-Tec. That's when you know you're a real gun nut when you got your own gun safe. I think it only made sense. So how do I open this thing? Alright, so basically there isn't a battery in it yet

but what you would do is, you see those clamps on the side? Yeah, so you put the clamps on that makes it watertight. Okay, and so it's more it's a lifestyle case also lifestyle Yeah, so like there are people I just did a post where somebody was on a jet ski He had his like all his valuables and contents in there and because it floats. Okay. Oh So he dropped in the water anything like that. Oh, it says here the pew pew pew life Get it? Gun people don't know what the fuck that means. If you say the pew pew life. Yeah, gun people

or non-gun people? Excuse me, non-gun people. Yeah, no, they don't. They're kind of like, what, church? You mean like pews in a church? Right. What does that mean? Pew pew, like stinky? Yeah, like I wore a shirt one time and the lady was like, what's pew pew? What does that mean? I was like, guns. She was like, oh. Oh, Jesus. People, this is one of the reasons why I contacted you.

I contacted you right when the looting hit. That's racist. No, because there were a lot of white people looting. Yeah, it is. It was a thing where I recognized that there was a giant shift in people's perception of the Second Amendment. And I said, this is a good time for you again. Appreciate it, brother. Yeah, because you're out there beating the drums and sounding the alarms and all these people that are anti-second amendment people were a lot of these

motherfuckers that were lined up in california trying to buy a gun last minute because as soon as the lockdown hit people started getting really nervous when people started getting locked in their homes and then uh people when they realized they weren't going to work people started getting locked in their homes and then people when they realized they weren't gonna work people started worried about people stealing And there's things along those lines I heard about people getting carjacked and or getting their groceries jacked rather where they headed to their car from the grocery store Things got real weird and then you saw these giant lines at these LA gun stores And that's when I got a hold of you because I think it's very it's a really important conversation i think you're the best at explaining it from a very rational perspective that you know people in during the times before covid they didn't think that this was important

yeah but you were always one of those guys where it was like hey what if shit goes down yeah well guess what shit went down it did it's kind of like me carrying a firearm you know a lot of people ask me they're like when i started carrying a gun i'm like why why do you need the carry gun like what do you think you're a drug dealer or something i'm like look it's nothing for me to take my my my phones my wallet my keys and then put my gun on and go about my life it's nothing for me to do that yeah and it's not much of a it's not much of an of encumbrance on my life where it's like okay it to do that. And it's not much of an encumbrance on my life where it's like, okay, it's not worth the day-to-day of me carrying a firearm,

but if I ever needed it, that's going to be the most important thing I have on me to protect that life. So it's a small price to pay for something that has such a huge upside if it ever happens. Yeah. You're a best case scenario, though. You're a lawyer. You're super intelligent. You're a really nice guy. But you also love guns. What people are worried about is worst case scenario.

They're worried about someone who's a criminal, who just wants to rob people, who has this ultimate power over folks. And that's what everybody's worried about when it comes to guns. They're worried about a school shooter. They're worried about a mass murderer. They're worried about a guy who breaks into a mosque and starts gunning people down. That's what everybody's worried about when it comes to guns. They're worried about a school shooter. They're worried about a mass murderer. They're worried about a guy who breaks into a mosque and starts gunning people down. That's what they're worried about. And I totally get it. I really, truly, honestly get it.

I can empathize and sympathize with that. But my whole thing is this. Once we move past that understanding of, so you have the best case scenario, which you pointed out was theoretically me, so to speak, and then you have the worst case scenario where you have criminals, you have crazy people, mass shooters, things of that nature. Once we get out of that realm, so let's talk about the reality because there's overlaps, right? So I usually ask people, well, what law are you going to come up with that's

going to completely stop that? No one knows. Now, I'm not saying that because I have the absolute answer, but what I can tell you is this. If we don't know what law we can come up with, that's going to completely stop that. Because you can say you can ban all the guns tomorrow. You're still going to have crime. You're still going to have those crazy people doing those same things. We have 300 million over 300 million guns in this country not going anywhere. You can ban them from law abiding citizens and we'd have to deal with that as it comes. But at the end of the day, criminals are still going to get their hands on guns. And so what you have to understand and accept is from a reality standpoint, if you know that when all the barriers that are placed to prevent these things don't work, the only person that's going to be able to do anything about it is you.

And you want the best thing possible at your disposal to contend against that. And that's what the firearm does. Do I glorify firearms? To a degree, yes, but that's because I'm a firearm enthusiast. I love them from a very practical, scientific. Engineering. Exactly. And even from a sports, entertainment, all of those things, right?

It's very holistic in that regard. But for people who are just understanding it from a practical perspective, like, okay, from self-defense, if that's the only box you wanted to live in, that's perfectly fine with me. I just have a problem where people say things like, well, no one needs to have a firearm. But then you're perfectly aware of all the violence and everything else that goes on in this country. And you understand the limitations of the first responders that we have in place to be able to prevent it. And if you understand that, theoretically speaking, you're on your own. And I don't mean that from the very sadistic kind of, you know, no way out kind of perspective, but it's just reality. Reality of the case reality cases and we just

learned and we're learning it now with the whole covid situation yeah you're on your own well not just covid right like how about um i have my friend john joseph he lives in new york city and in new york city there's uh there's a lot of cops that are quitting and there's a lot of crazy shit going on he sent me a text message he has a buddy that works in harlem as a cop and he said there was 28 shootings in one night which is just fucking bonkers and this guy is okay he said and this is new york yes this is a harlem so he sent me this is the list of all the shootings that he sent me this is his his body's 21 years old and he's working um in uh in harlem keep keep in mind new york has by far some of the strictest gun it's literally one of the only places that

when i travel to i will not bring a gun yeah i was going to bring that up and then the other one i was going to bring up in chicago which is very similar in that regard yeah and there's a there's a running total online there's a website that shows all the shootings in chicago and it's fucking bonkers like i mean just look look at what just happened father's day i think it was like 102 people shot yeah that's fucking ridiculous fucking crazy and but here's the thing about that too there's there's a consistency and a pattern behind these types of shootings it's not even like so usually when you deal with a problem the first thing you do is you try to look for a pattern to see if you can figure it figure out a pattern so you can try to solve it yeah um and you

see okay what what's the common denominator of all these things and then why is it then you can figure out start to figure out why it happens the idea that we're going to create laws that's going to stop something that's so centralized and it's so, it's, there's a fundamental cause for the types of violence that we're talking about right now, because they're happening in very specific areas of our country. This isn't widespread. It's not like it's like we just have this mass violence across the country. On the contrary, violent crime is actually going down, if you look at it from a statistical standard however there are very there are pockets within our country right that have this violence and there's consistencies within that pocket one of the big ones being gun laws not not gun laws extreme poverty

oh okay you know what i'm saying because a lot of it is is our inner cities because if you think about it some people like to even place it, base it upon race, right? And then say, okay, well, this is a black on black violence issue. Yeah, I can understand that. But however, if you really think about it, think about some of the most affluent black neighborhoods in the country.

We don't have those problems. Right. It's a poverty issue. Exactly. And it's also an issue of, in Chicago in particular, I took a ride once. I had a guy was driving us was a former cop. And he was saying that they arrested a bunch of the high level drug dealers and they created a power vacuum. And then it started this crazy war. And then this war is just and he's like, no one knows how to get out of it no one knows what to do about it this is why south side chicago to this day is one of the scariest spots in this entire country i've done two when i was with the nra i did two two episodes in south side chicago are you not with the nra no no i'm not how come uh they're the nra and their added agency of record had a falling out

massive falling out um i was basically collateral damage within that so for whatever reason after the falling out i haven't had contact with nra for almost a year so were you working for them i yeah pretty much pretty much in terms of as much as say don lemon works for cnn okay you really works for cnn they give him a fat check well that's that's what i mean well i don't i don't get Don Lemon. I wasn't getting Don Lemon money. But essentially what I was doing was I was a commentator and I was a host of two shows on their platform. That's the extent.

A lot of people thought I was an actual spokesperson. Are you still a member of the NRA? Yeah, I'm still a member of the NRA. Okay. I thought maybe you had a falling out with the way the organization was run. No, no. It's just radio silence. Right.

On their end. Oh. Yeah. That's just radio silence. Right. On their end. Yeah. It's kind of weird. I, I, I, the way I function, I just keep, I just keep moving. That's what I do. Smart.

Yeah. So from that perspective, so there's no, on my part, there's no, there's no bad blood. I may have some critiques about certain things, but other than that, there's no bad blood. Um, have you noticed a big uptick in people interested in your message yes yeah yeah um especially a lot of people who are buying guns for the first time like i'm pretty sure you're getting to um yeah a lot of people asking if they can borrow a gun yeah and then they get a first course lesson about how the laws work yeah yeah and also like people in california that wanted to go buy a gun they realized it takes a long time. It gives you a background check.

There's a wait period. And the funny thing is that I used to get the biggest pushback from my defense of not having a waiting period for firearms. I used to get a lot of pushback from that because people were like, well, at least it gives people time to calm down and cool off. I mean, that's cartoon land thinking. Somebody who's made a decision to kill somebody, they're going to kill them or at least going to make an attempt to do so. Maybe. The idea that somehow not being able to buy a gun immediately to commit that crime, I personally don't think it does anything.

I don't. I think if I've set out to commit some crime against someone and I go try to get a gun and I can't get a gun, I'm going to try to find another avenue by which to get that tool that I need to commit that crime. And so I however, on the in the alternative, I can tell you actual stories about people trying to get firearms who needed them immediately, but couldn't get them and thus probably died as a result of it. but couldn't get them and thus probably died as a result of it. And so, and I know other people, people like I've had, hell, I've had girlfriends in the past who have dealt with situations with stalkers who were like, okay, I need a gun for tonight because this person showed up at my house. Right.

You know, things like that. But don't you think that in order to safely, you want to make sure that someone is not a dangerous violent felon before you sell them a gun. Absolutely. So there's got to be some kind of background check. And we have them. Right. But how long do you think you don't want a wait period? No I'm against a wait period.

And what is the so the logic is if like say if a woman knows that a guy is stalking her and might show up at her house tonight she wants to be able to have a gun. Absolutely. That makes sense to me. But there's still going to be a background check on that girl. Yes. So let's kind of flesh that out. Okay. So right now, if you go and buy a gun from a dealer, right, someone who has a license to sell firearms as a business, you have to have a background check. Right. And the background check's instant. But I think a lot of people misconstrue the fact that the background check is instant as being insufficient.

Okay. And that's not the case. It's just that we live in a technical, you know, we have technology now. Right. So it allows us to conduct a background check a lot quicker than we probably would 30, 40 years ago. Yeah, I bought my first gun in 94. And the background check is like by pony. You know? I don't know how they did it and the background check is like by pony.

I don't know how they did it back then, but it took a while. It's a lot. It's just paperwork. They make sure you're not a criminal, but there was no internet. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so now with the internet, I mean, it's pretty quick. Yeah.

I think what people are having a problem with is the private transactions. Right. Right. Right. And so generally speaking, in most states, you don't, you're not required to force someone to get a background check if you were going to sell them a gun. Like if you're in the business of selling guns, then that's one thing. But if you're like, hey, Joe, you want a gun? And so you want to tell you saw one of my guns and you're like, I want to buy that gun. Right. In Texas, I can meet with you as long as I know you're not a felon or have a reason to know that you're a felon or prohibitive person of some sort.

I can sell you the gun. So you don't have to do any kind of check. No. That's interesting. Now, I'm at liberty to say, hey, Joe, how about you meet me at this gun store and pay for a background check on top of the price of the gun and then have a back and then conduct a background check which a lot of people do a lot of people yes and so but but you don't have i don't like the idea that i don't like the idea of mandating private background checks right so like if you had a friend and she had a stalker and the stalker was going to break into her house you could legally sell her a gun in texas right there and then yeah i can take i can just give her as long as give her a gun as long as i like i said as long as i don't know or have reason to know that she's a prohibitive prohibitive person um other than that yeah i can do that again i bring this back to you are best case scenario like for a guy like you to have a gun i don't worry about you having a gun at all i think you what i'm worried about is again people that are psychotic people that are on medication

people that are dangerous people that are criminals people that are thugs that's what everybody's worried about yeah as am i yeah as are you and when you're talking about giving your friend a gun again that that seems completely reasonable you're a reasonable person i know that if you're going to give a gun to a person and you think they need it this is going to be a well thought out decision yeah absolutely so the alternative the contrary to that is what the idea that somebody who's not like that will just be giving guns away to people right exactly someone who's unscrupulous that's the worry right the worry is someone who you know is wants to make a buck and they'll sell guns to felons yeah and that's already illegal yeah yeah yeah it's illegal right it doesn't matter if you make a look yo what happened the government they don't want us fucking

around you want to do talking too much shit that's the anti-gun lobby and telling they blew a fuse oh so the video shut off? Should we pause for a second here? It's the Russians. Or the Chinese. Who do you think is attacking us? That one's going? The video's going?

We're going to hold folks. Hopefully nothing will happen here. And they won't think that... Everything else shut off, folks. Hopefully nothing will happen here, and they won't think that. Everything else shut off, though. Everything else, like what? iMac recorder, recorder. Okay, well, let's turn everything back on just in case. We'll just pause.

Ladies and gentlemen, something happened. There was some sort of a power surge, so we'll just pause here for a second. We'll come back. All right, we're back. So something happened, folks. Sorry. We had some sort of a power surge. All the lights went out for a second and popped back on. It was like a pop. I don't know We don't know what never have that happened before

It's the fucking russians or the chinese or the I don't know I've been I've been having some weird things happen on my end. So I wouldn't be surprised Yeah, that was I was gonna ask you that do you feel like because you have this pro second amendment message? do you think people fuck with you feel like because you have this pro-Second Amendment message, do you think people fuck with you? Because, like, if I was someone who had an anti-Second Amendment message, you're the biggest nightmare. A lawyer who's a friendly guy, good-looking, articulate, really good at media. You're always doing things. And you have a passion for these guns.

You talk about them. Like, you did this thing where you're walking around. There's have a passion for these guns and you talk about them like you did this thing where you're walking around there's a bunch of tires around and you're like smiling god I love this gun and you're shooting it

and you're talking and like that motherfucker loves guns like this isn't a joke but you love guns the way I love muscle cars or bows or you know

I mean I love guns too you know what the funny thing is you know what I love slightly more than guns what cars do you

yeah what kind of cars I'm more into like the vanity I mean, I love guns too. You know what? The funny thing is, you know what I love slightly more than guns? What? Cars. Do you? Yeah. What kind of cars? I'm more into like the vanity, superficial level of cars, like Astons, Ferraris, Porsches, and things of that nature. Yeah. That's my, that's my, that's where my heart really thumps. Yeah. I'm into cars that make me feel.

Yeah. Like I feel something. Like manual transmissions, you knowissions you know i consider it so my my favorite brand is aston martin it's a great car and so i consider that the english muscle car because largely they are they all the sensorial effects that you get from an american muscle car generally speaking with a little bit more refinement you get from aston martin's but then they also go wrong and they also lose value incredibly. Yeah. And so-

The go wrong part. Yeah. Dane Cook was telling me about that. He said he had an Aston Martin that fell apart. But my friend Brendan Schaub has one right now and he loves it. Which one do you know? What is that? It's dope.

Whatever. It looks like a spaceship. It's pretty slick. I love them, man. They evoke an emotional response out of me more than any other, generally speaking, any other car. It's British. Yeah. I don't's British. Yeah.

I don't trust British. I don't trust my people. Italians can fuck off. I'm never buying one of your cars, you fucking animals. My people are supposed to make pizza and paintings. They're not supposed to be making cars. Well, man, they have a lot of character, brother. Oh, yeah, they do.

Yeah. No, I love Ferraris. They are gorgeous. I mean, I'm so stupid. I might buy one one day. I think you should be that stupid. do. Oh, boy. Yeah, no, I love Ferraris. They are gorgeous. I mean, I'm so stupid, I might buy one one day. I think you should be that stupid. Yeah. They sound good.

They do, man. The funny thing is, I'm not even like a... I mean, like, I remember I went to Exotic Racing in Vegas. Oh, that's a great place. Yeah, it's like my first time ever driving a race car around, driving a car around a track like that. And I got to drive pretty much anything I wanted. And the car I walked away from that was like,

I mean, anywhere from like a Ferrari Pista to a 911 GT3. And the car that I walked away from, like, yeah, it was actually the Porsche 911 GT3. And we're talking about a $300,000 to $400,000 car versus a $130,000, $150,000 car. Yeah, the GT3 evokes an emotional response because of the interaction that you have with the vehicle. Was it a manual or was it a PDK?

It wasn't a manual. It was a PDK. Well, if you want to drive fast, the PDK is the way to go. The manual is really better for a street car. Yes. When you're on a track, you want to keep your hands on the wheel and just bam, bam, bam. So you don't miss shifts and things of that nature. But yeah, when you are on the street, that level of engagement between shifting gears

in a car, you can't, there's nothing that can, the only thing I think that may be able to replicate that to a degree is working a bolt action on a rifle. And I know it sounds- I see what you're saying. Yeah. I see what you're saying. Yeah. There's a ch-ch.

Yeah. Boom. Or even like a lever action. Like that same thing. It's just, it's like this, it's like a lever action. Like that same thing. It's like a combination of the mechanical and organic that just kind of comes together. And it's just beautiful. Do you know that in the hunting world, there's like a dispute between the hunting world and the tactical world and the gun enthusiast world? And they call the hunting world FUDs.

Yes, you do know. They're FUDs, meaning elmer fudd yeah and what's ironic is the new warner brothers they cut out the gun there's a new remake of elmer fudd now this is where it gets crazy folks elmer fudd who's always been hunting bugs bunny now he's hunting bugs bunny with a scythe which is so disturbing as. It's the evilest shit ever. You look at it and you're like, it literally made me go, oh, shit. If Elmer shoots Bugs Bunny with a shotgun, at least he dies quick. Scythe, you're hacking away, man. You're just.

And he's still allowed to use dynamite. They're still using dynamite. So they're using explosives, but they can't use a firearm anymore. I actually did a video on it. Did you? Yeah, yeah. And one of the writers basically said his justification for it was you know during the time when they were working on the on the actual cartoon it happened really close to the vegas shooting and so they

were like everyone in media wanted to stay away from guns so i'm like but the scythe and explosions are okay look at this give me give me a let me play some of this just like a look at it can you but just have it in the background. I just want to see what this looks like when he's running around with a scythe. Oh, there it goes. Oh, there's something weird, man, about redoing the past. You know? Looney Tunes.

So this is a new version, right? This is completely new. It's not like they took the gun out. Oh, my God. This is so sick. That's so weird. It's so sick and he sticks a stick of dynamite in his mouth and he blows his fucking face off that's okay i mean what is first of all what kind of fucking shitty dynamite i know right that's the worst lesson you're teaching kids

no dynamite safety because dynamite just makes your face dirty for a second. And then it comes back to normal. Look, even his hat regenerates. Like, what the fuck are we teaching kids? There's no consequences to dynamite? There is a gratuitous use of dynamite in this one. Look at this. Look at how crazy it is.

The dynamite blows his hat apart, but then it fixes itself. Within seconds. Yeah, that's funny. Look at this. Boom. And again. Boom. And again. Boom. And again. Boom. This is seconds, yeah, it's funny. Look at this. Boom, and again, boom, and again, boom, and again, boom, boom. This is a bit excessive, dude.

But look, he lands. Oh, finally his hat's fucked up. Will it stay fucked up? Let's see. Let's see. It's fucked up. He's dancing, and his hat's normal. It's gonna be back. Oh, he's got no hat. Boom. Then he gives him a cake with dynamite, and it says, coming soon.

That is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. God, that's so weird. I think it would have been 10 times better with a gun. But it doesn't make any sense. It's so weird. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist. I'm not. Sometimes I look at stuff like that and I look at the decision behind why they removed the firearm. And I hear you, the whole Vegas thing and, you know, just the sensitivity to it. But I'm like, but your alternative was just as or if not more violent than the gun.

So my mind goes, OK, this is more of a cultural thing. I think there's an attempt to be made to erase the idea of firearm ownership in this country. Because I think there are a lot of people like me, like we grew grew up even though I didn't grow up with firearms I still grew up with an understanding of the second amendment I was I was taught about the second amendment to a certain degree in school I guarantee you they're not teaching about the second amendment schools now no that I can assure you no they yeah if anything I mean there's definitely no positive message no so what it tells me is I'm assuming the demographic of people that are going to be watching that would be largely you and I who kind of grew up with it in the past for the nostalgia effect. But then also a new generation of kids are going to be watching that as well.

And we all grew up with Elmer Fred having the shotgun. Yeah. He's the hunter with the shotgun. Be very quiet. Exactly. I'm hunting rabbits. But see, here's the hunter with the shotgun. Be very quiet. I'm hunting rabbits. But see, here's the funny thing about that. You know, when it comes to the issue of firearms and the gun debate in this country,

you get people like Joe Biden talking about, you know, all you need is a shotgun. You don't need an AR-15 shotgun. Who needs an AR-15 for hunting? Yet you castrize Elmer Fudd and you take away his shotgun. What is that saying? Well, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't? It doesn't make any sense. Joe Biden's message doesn't make any sense either because shotguns have a very

limited range. If someone's on your property breaking in and shooting at you from a distance or something. Shotguns, it's not going to do much of anything. i think that's the point it's well it's also like that's it's not true that people don't hunt with them people hunt with ars all the time particularly pigs you know that's a that's another debate in the hunting world about bolt action versus semi-automatic and that you know especially when people hunt pigs like in texas you're dealing with

a massive pig infestation. And when they hunt these wild pigs, they like to use guns. They could fire more than one round. There's a video of me right now on YouTube where I was hunting. I was hunting hogs at night with an AR. Yeah. And the funny thing is a lot of it, too, for me. I mean, we have cougars inxas so people don't think about that component

so i may be hunting one animal but there may be another animal hunting you exactly and i don't want to have to deal with the bolt action rifle to possibly deal with that threat fuck that right like i was in new i was in new mexico um not too long ago and i was just kind of one of my friends has a huge property out there called the q Ranch. And I was driving around his property and just kind of exploring a little bit. And I took an AR with me because he does have bears and things like that on his property. I don't want to run into something that could kill me with a bolt action shotgun. I want an AR because it's effective at allowing me to defend myself more effectively. And I think that's where other people, a lot of people don't realize that.

They just see the AR and they say, oh, my God, it looks scary. It looks dangerous. And they assume what a bad guy can do with an A.R. towards you. They never really see themselves empowered to utilize the A.R. to defend themselves. And I think that's the way they want the conversation to be in this country is to perpetually see yourself as a possible victim. Now, the irony is, to a degree, I'm doing the same thing. I'm saying have an A.R. so that in the event that somebody tries to make to a degree, I'm doing the same thing. I'm saying, have an AR so that in the event that somebody tries to make you a victim, you can defend yourself. The only difference is, one of the conclusive aspects of what I'm saying is empowering. The other is, depend on me and

put all of your safety in my hands, i.e. via the government. And I'm just not with that. Well, and also, we're realizing that the people that you put your hands into, they're humans and they're severely flawed. Yeah. I mean, that's what we're realizing across the entire country right now. And that's what the people forget. I think people tend to add this kind of autonomous, God-like aspect to the government. Well, we'd like that to be the case.

We'd like the government to be the big daddy that's going to, dial 9-1-1 they're gonna take care of everything yeah but honestly that's probably not the case what's not the case right now in atlanta no you hear what's going on atlanta cops are just not responding yeah and it's a that's a huge huge reality though yeah we got a lot of messages from people i got a lot of messages from cops that think that I had a bad take on the Atlanta case because the guy stole a taser and then they shot him. And what they were saying to me is essentially that this guy had a criminal history and that just because someone is being compliant doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have evil intentions. They're just waiting to do something. And then this guy got in a tussle with the cop. I understand what they're saying.

But given the current climate, shooting a guy with a taser that doesn't work, because, Jamie, that's the case, right? The taser didn't work? That's what I had read, yes. They said it had already been fired twice. So that means it's done. Do we know that for a fact? That's what I had read, yes. They said it had already been fired twice. So that means it's done. Do we know that for a fact? That's what I read.

Can we pull that up just in case? Because we are talking on a podcast that millions of people are going to hear. I don't want anybody to misunderstand me. I have two positions. One, I think it's really hard to be a cop. Really, really, really fucking hard to be a cop. And I think the defunding of the cops is a terrible idea. I think they need way more money.

And I think they need training. And I had Jocko Willink on, who's a former Navy SEAL. He was a commander, and he would set up testing. And he would set up training, rather. And that's what they need. They need constant training. Jocko was saying he thinks they should be training 20% of the time yeah i mean i i honestly probably train a lot more than a lot of cops i bet you train way more than most cops and then i would always be really shocked

in uh jujitsu class when cops would come in where they were they had nothing experience they had nothing like they literally didn't know what to do in a hand-to-hand fight i'm like man this is crazy. Here it goes. We have concluded that Rolfe was aware that the taser in Brooke's possession, it was fired twice. Once it's fired twice, it presented no danger to him or to other persons. Okay, one thing you could say is that maybe he forgot. It is possible that he forgot and he saw the taser being pointed at him.

But it also says he shot him in the back two times he was running away from him so the part the shooting it I think the shooting in the back yeah is not as relevant as people make it he says Howard said the office concluded the time of Brooks death he did not pose a threat to the officers he said Brooks was running away from the officers when when Rolf shot him in the back two times. That I agree with. The shooting in the back I don't think is as important. Because people move while they're in the back. In the video from what I saw. Now, I could be wrong.

Anybody can correct me if they see this. When I saw him in the video, he was turning back and shooting like this. Oh. So it stands to reason if he's firing on him, he's going to get hit in the back. Right. But if they knew that the taser had been fired twice, it doesn't make sense fired twice that's a different story if you can prove that he knew the taser if he for me you can prove that the taser you can prove that he had knowledge that it was a taser that had already been fired and was unoperable at that point then yeah then we're talking and

was aware of it and was raised exactly people panic right they they really do. There's things that happen to people in high-pressure situations that you can't attribute normal thinking to them in high-pressure situations. I've had somebody also, because I've had multiple conversations. So when stuff like this comes out, I haven't talked about this because I don't think it's a gun issue. So I don't talk about it on my channel. I understand. But I do have these conversations at NAWZM, at, you know, personally. And so I talk to different people who I know

will have different perspectives. One thing somebody pointed out to me was the idea that, like you talked about, in the moment, with the adrenaline being pumped, and then you have the tunnel vision, all that stuff that's going on, there is a sort of kind of a reactive nature to hearing the sound of a pop going off.

And then a cop possibly thinking that he was shooting a gun. That was, that's, that's one theory. So does the taser pop, even though it had been fired twice from what I'm, from what I'm told it does, it'll still pop.

It may not be effective or disperse anything, but it'll pop. It's still make the noise. Yeah. Oh, well there you go. And so I think that's, that changes things if that,

if that happened, but even still in the current climate, it's just, it's yeah, there's a changes things if that if that happened, but even still And then the current climate it's just it's yeah, there's a there's a it's hard man because he's like you're right It's like do we now expect the cops to be politicians as well? Well, do we also expect them to be superhuman in their ability to function under pressure? Exactly very little training that's not that problem that's a huge problem that I think a lot of people don't realize. A lot of people think that cops are just these wizards with firearms. And a lot of them are not.

And a lot of it is due to the fact that a lot of these departments don't have enough money to train them adequately. Exactly. Cops that I know personally, I go to training go to courses, training courses, and these cops are there paying for it themselves. Yeah. It's not even like the department sent them there or they're subsidizing their training. No, they're there by themselves paying their own money to go to these training courses so that they can be more proficient and better at firearm handling, safety, so forth and so on. So when I'm saying I have two positions positions my one position is that I think cops need Way better training. I think it just it should be a higher priority for us to have like elite people

like Navy SEAL Caliber people as police officers and people that are trained to defuse situations and people were trained and also people that live in the community and people that have a Relationship with people in the community so that there there's more of an investment. I do you want better do we want better? I say the entirety of our nation Needs to be better trained on firearms. We have over 300 million guns in this country There's absolutely no reason why we should have so many people not versed and have the knowledge necessary to own and operate a firearm safely. So you're one of those people like a well-armed society is a polite

society. Yes, I am. Yeah. There's an argument for that. And the alternative is what? Right. You know what I mean? We are a well-armed society, period. But I think we need to be better educated. Yeah. And I think the time we spend on the national stage arguing and debating gun control, we have over 300 federal gun laws on the books. We have over 22,000 on the state and local levels. We're past the point of gun control laws solving these issues. I think where we're at now is the same way we want to teach kids about sex at a certain age, because it's inevitable, it's the same thing with firearms. You're going to interact and you're going to come across a gun at some point in your life in this country. And so as a result of that, we should be talking about, all right, maybe

we subsidize the idea of mass distribution of knowledge with respect to firearm use and teaching people to be responsible gun owners so as to create a culture that looks at firearms, one, from under the guise of the Second Amendment, but also knowing how to operate them safely and responsibly. It's so funny because people in this, they have this contradiction, right? Part of them does not want that because they don't want to encourage firearms because they think that'll create more firearms. But I see your point, too,, the firearms already exist. And at

least this will give people an understanding of the safe way to use them, the proper way to use them. I mean, how many people have guns and they've never even fired them? Exactly. And now think about all of the new gun owners now. Think about all the people who went out and panicked by, I don't like saying it, but it's truth. They went out and they panicked about a gun that they really don't know how to use yeah and so now what's left so who but see who has to pick up that slack us in the gun community right so now people like me and other content creators how are now we're scrambling trying to create videos to teach people what they need to be doing in order to use and operate that firearm safely because right now we have a culture in a society

that is so anti-gun we rather try to scare people away from guns instead of teaching them how to use them safely even though we have a second amendment which allows us to own and operate these firearms that's so crazy and so yeah and i think crazy you people have to go to your instagram page to be educated and how to but but there's good in that too because you do have a large following on instagram and a a lot of people are going to go, and they're going to learn some things from those videos. If I'm not shadowbanned. Are you shadowbanned? Fuck yeah.

I get mad. Brother, it's bad. And then I can tell you, if I brought my business partner here right now and we talked about that, I'm telling you, you saw what our numbers were before in terms of who we were able to reach and what they are now? That's ugly. That's weird, too. It's weird because you're not doing anything illegal. Everything is responsible. Everything is intelligent.

And you're clearly well-educated on the subject, both in the arguments against gun use in the Second Amendment and also the correct way to use them. Let me play devil's advocate against myself. Okay. And it's based on something you said. Could very well be the fact that they may see that aspect of me, right? Right. And other people like me. But they don't have the same faith in other people.

You get what I'm saying? So they don't want the information disseminated out there to those people who they feel may not be as safe. I think you're thinking of it too kindly. What I think is there's a left-wing perspective on guns. Guns equal bad. Yes. Now, that I'm aware of. Yeah.

I'm just trying to get— Yeah, colonial noir, guns, bad. Mm-hmm. All those. Guns equal bad. Yeah. You know, I to get. Colleen Noir, guns, bad. All those. Guns equal bad. You know, I mean, this is just, it's a really, and I was told that too when I put up some videos from Terran Tactical, people are like, oh, you're going to get shadow banned. I'm like, really?

For responsible use of guns in a place where they taught John Wick? You would think that would not be the case. But now, do I think you're in danger of being shadow banned? No, because that's not what your channel or, you know, what your platform is about. But your thing is. But mine is about firearm ownership. Not to mention I was the guy who was part of the NRA, who was with the NRA at some point. So that doesn't give me any brownie points in that regard.

But by and large, yes, I am shadow. If you take a look at, now, things have gotten a little bit better, but I don't think it's from them loosening things. I think it's more people are sharing my content because there's nothing the algorithm can do about that. Right. If you see a video and you share it, there's nothing they can do about that. Well, let's tell everybody your Instagram handle right now if they're on this. Coleon Noir. C-O-L-I-O-N-N-O-I-R

Okay. Just let everybody know. You don't have to search. Literally just Google it and it pulls everything up. Because some people might be just on this clip and go, I don't want to go back and listen to the whole podcast. It sucks, man.

It sucks because it is a legal thing and you have a real like if anybody has a legitimate intelligent argument for the pros of gun ownership and and You know ethical use of guns and correct use it's you. I mean you're the best at it You're online. I mean, which will beg to probably the reason why they probably want to shut me up to Which would probably be the reason why they would probably want to shut me up, too. I don't like when people are telling other people what to and not to do, and it's based on their own personal ideology. I don't like it.

I don't like it at all, either. Because I'm very much of, look, you do what you want to do with your life as long as it doesn't interfere with mine or step on any of my rights. We're good. How Texas of you? Texas through and through, brother. Texas born and raised. yeah yeah it's a great place so this this is my two positions that i was saying before so number one position i am 100 in favor of law enforcement and i think they need to be better trained and i think you need to get rid of those bad motherfuckers i think there's a lot of them i think there's a lot of bad cops you need to get rid of And I got to get this off because this is something that pisses me off a little bit.

That is a nuanced perspective. However, on social media and in general, the idea of having a nuanced perspective on a particular issue is so far gone now that you can't even really have a conversation. I can say in one breath, I am pro-cop. I am pro-cop. I have a lot of friends who are cops. However, there are also a good number of them who are evil as fuck, probably racist, and need to be fucking dissolved from the unit. Sociopaths, psychopaths, murderers, yes.

But for some reason, it's either, nope, either all cops are bad or they're all good. And that's what i can't get down with yeah i just can't you can't get down with that and i'm with you i think we can also say in one breath i'm pro cop but i'm also pro these peaceful protests yeah i think these peaceful protests are important and there was some i mean maybe i did a bad job of explaining what i was trying to say but whatever basketball player was mad at me the other day because it was something i said that i think a lot of these people are fighting

like an invisible enemy when they're protesting. What I mean by that is, yes, we need bad cops. Yes, cops should stop shooting, whether it's black people or white people or anybody for the wrong reason. I just saw that people, because people love to, I remember our last segment, we made a mistake verbally and people jumped on it. You said we need bad cops. Did I say that did i really imagine saying how dumb am i we need bad cops we need cops we need good cops but there and there's definitely bad cops and bad cops that

shoot people whatever race they are are fucking terrible clearly there's a problem with cops shooting black people clearly there's also statistically not even just shooting people if you look at the see if you look at the the the the death statistics for cops and black people there's a thing that people like to do where they say well actually cops shoot more white people than black people but there are more white people yeah and but the other thing that i think is as important if not more important is cops shoot more white people than black people. There are more white people than black people. But the other thing that I think is as important, if not more important, is cops are physical with black people more than they are white people. Cops are physical with brown people, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans.

They're physical with them more than they are white people, statistically, by as much or more than 25%. There is a problem. as much or more than 25%. There is a problem. Also, there's a problem with people that don't know what they want. They just think that

defunding the cops are bad. This is what I meant by fighting an invisible enemy. I just did a shitty job of explaining it. The thing we should want is a safe community, including people that get pulled over by cops. So that's the one thing that needs to be addressed first, right?

Get rid of the bad cops, fund them better, train them better. And we should all want this. This defund the cop shit is crazy. I think a lot of this movement has been co-opted. By? And I always hesitate because, like I said, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have to call a spade a spade. There are a lot of subversive, there's a subversive group in this country that wants to topple the current structure of the United States. Yes.

So that they can gain power because they think they can rule better. Yes. And a lot of those people, generally speaking, are Marxist. Yes. That's pretty much it. That's why I make a delineation when people are asking me about Black Lives Matter, for instance. Black Lives Matter, the sentiment, I can get down with. Black Lives Matter, the organization, I cannot.

And why is that? Because they are not for the same thing. So what do you think? The founders of Black Lives Matter literally just came out and basically said she's a trained Marxist. She didn't basically say it. She said blatantly she's a trained Marxist. Both of them. The founders of Black Lives Matter organization are both trained Marxists.

Are these the same folks that went on stage with Bernie Sanders at one time? I believe so. Don't quote me on that. And took the mic from him? Whoever the two women are who are the founders of Black Lives Matter, the organization, they are trained Marxxist said it with their own mouth on the show and what so what is their goal what do they want well what do marxists want they want to topple the current structure they utilize they have they have their use so speak they're useful idiots that create that create chaos to topple whatever structure is in place so that they can come and fill the vacuum and then what do they

do with the useless chaos what do they do with the useless chaos? What do they do with the useful idiots? They dispose of them because they are rebellious in nature and thus will topple the power structure that's in place then. So who are the useful idiots that you think they are utilizing? The people running around spraying Black Lives Matters while rioting and looting. Yes. Not protesting. Right. But rioting and looting.

That's the distinction. And this is what I did a shitty job of explaining. There's a lot of people that are out there protesting, and I don't necessarily think they understand what needs to be done. What needs to be done to keep us safe is not

defunding the police. They need to go through the fucking police department with a fine-tooth comb and every one of these motherfuckers that has multiple complaints Just get rid of them. Yeah, just get rid of find out what the fuck is going on Yeah, if the multiple complaints don't make sense. Yeah, then leave them alone Yeah But find out like that guy that guy that killed that guy and look for anybody who could do that to a person who could lean

On a person's neck like that for eight minutes Something's fucking wrong with you something's fucking wrong with, and you should have never been a cop in the first place. And we all know that there are people like that. When you talk to people that are in the military, there are folks that they have to work with that are fucking sociopaths. And they hope that BUDS training and that SEAL training is going to weed those guys out, or that ranger training, or whatever the fuck it is that they have to do.

But it doesn't always. And sometimes they get in a situation, and J jocko was talking about how you'll get an entire seal team that they have to disband and re and reset up because they have bad leadership and so you did these same guys and they come in with good leadership and they get trained correctly and it turns around and it turns out you know look if we if we join some sort of a military group and you're being led by some fucking piece of shit commander, what do you do? Where do you go? And your faith in the entire organization is fucked. So a lot of this stuff is top down.

So you have a lot of these cops that are in these bad neighborhoods and they've been dealing with corruption. There's a movie called The 7-5 and it's about the 75th precinct in New York. And Michael Dowd who is one of the guys in the movie was a bad cop yeah and he's out now and he did time and shit like that but it's a fucking crazy movie and I had him on the podcast but his first day on the job did they throw a dude off a balcony or some shit like that he was told to shut his mouth something happened like first day on the job he witnessed some crazy

shit and they were he was basically told hey motherfucker this is how we do shit like get all that fucking goody-two-shoes dragnet bullshit out of your head this is how we do things here and so then you're indoctrinated into this force that's already compromised I think that's where a lot of people kind of that's why I think a lot of people come from when they talk about the systemic aspect of yes yes it's that's where I think a lot of people come from when they talk about the systemic aspect of this. It's that culture that breeds the mentality that says, all right, this is the way things are going to be done. So you either get down or you lay down.

And so in a lot of that, that responsibility is born on the leadership in these places. And that's what needs to happen. There needs to be a restructuring and reorganization of the leadership from a top-down perspective. That I do believe. And I agree with you. I'm like, you got a guy who has multiple, multiple complaints. I mean, at a certain point where there's smoke, there's probably going to be some fire somewhere. And so at that point, if you can't really reasonably justify why this person is getting a lot of complaints, and like you said, if it doesn't make sense why they're getting complaints, then okay, cool.

But if you're like, all right, this just seems real suspect yeah either do a deeper investigation of it or get rid of them yeah and there's a problem with most people when you give them ultimate power over someone else and it's not just the power of having a gun it's the power of being able to tell someone do what i'm telling you to do there's a crazy video i watched the other day of a white guy pulling over another white guy and he's telling the guy, get out of the car. And the guy's going, why do you want me to get out of the car? He goes, because I'm fucking telling you to get out of the car. And he pulls out his pepper spray.

And he goes, hey man, I'm speeding. I'm going five miles an hour over. He goes, stop filming. He goes, I don't have to stop filming. And he goes, and why are you pointing your fucking pepper spray at me? And he goes, if you don't get out of the car I'm going to hit you with it. And so there's this back and forth with this guy. And he goes to hit it. He goes, it's out. You're lucky. This is your lucky day. He goes, no. He goes, you're fucking crazy. He's like,

you're going to pepper spray me because I'm going five miles an hour over the speed limit? So this is an example of a person who should never be in a position of having ultimate power over someone like that. If a guy was a really good cop, was a veteran, he would have been able to diffuse a situation. He would have walked up to him. How you doing, sir? You know why I pulled you over? You're going a little bit fast.

You're going five miles an hour over the speed limit. Blah, blah, blah. Whatever it was. You don't point fucking pepper spray at a guy just because he's filming you. When he's filming you, he's allowed to do that. This is like an audition for you to keep your job. That's what it is. Do a good job right there.

Because you're going to get on the Internet right now. And there's a lot of people that are on the Internet. There was a fucking horrible one that I watched where this guy was in this verbal altercation with this woman. And it wasn't heated. She didn't do anything wrong. And he's yelling. She's not listening. So he grabs her, ragdolls her to the the ground face plants her and gets her in a rear

naked choke and he's screaming at her and these other and he's a terrible rear naked choke too and these other people are standing by watching this and filming it and it's fucking madness this is a terrible way to handle the situation just a person who's either got ptsd or he's all fucked up and my buddy joe is just Oh, he's just a shitty person. Just a shitty person who happens to get this job. Now, guess what? Here's the other problem.

Who's going to be a cop now? Yeah, that's the thing. Who's going to be a cop now? I might be honest with you. I wouldn't want to be a cop right now. I wouldn't want to be a cop now? Fuck, man. Can only imagine.

But I think the problem is it's like people don't understand the relationship between community and the police should be a symbiotic relationship. That's what it should be. Because even to the same degree, there needs to be training. I think there needs to be training, not mandated training, but people should be cognizant, especially if I as a gun owner, someone who carries a gun on me 99% of the time in my car, on my body, on my person.

I should understand the dynamics that a police officer is looking at me from and dealing with people who carry guns and vice versa. So the officer needs to understand and be aware of the fact that, okay, you're living in a population where people carry firearms. So the idea or the presence of a firearm in the hands of a civilian should not terrify you that much. It just shouldn't. Now, I get it. There are bad apples all over the place. Thus, that brings it full circle. Me as a citizen should understand that because there are certain people who are bad apples, who carry firearms, that are interacting with the cops, and may want to do ill will towards the cops, that I as a citizen should understand and have the responsibility that says, all right, there are certain things I'm going to

do whenever I'm interacting with a cop that signals to them, hey, I don't mean you no harm, I mean you no threat. I get pulled over. The first thing I do is I pull over, roll the windows down. I have my ID and I have my concealed carry license in hand. Right? Everything I'm doing is just to put the cop at ease. Right. I'm demonstrating to the cop, look, I understand. You don't know who I am.

I don't know who you are. Right. So we're going to give each other this mutual respect that says, all right, as long as you respect me, I'm going to respect you. And generally speaking, I speed a lot. Do you get cops recognizing you? I have. It's like 50-50.

Oh, that's a lot. Yeah. 50-50 is a lot. It is a lot, actually. And the funny thing is, the best time was I was in a car at the time. I was in the car with my ex. She was my then-girlfriend and one of her best friends, and we were driving back from Houston. And so I was speeding.

And so I think I had like an M6 at the time. And so I was speeding, and they were like, you need to slow down. I'm like, shut up. So we're going, going, going. And then I get pulled over. And then I get pulled over. And then I get pulled over and they're laughing. They're like, ha, ha, we told you, you idiot. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, I got egg on my face and shit. And the cop comes over and he's like, yeah, you know, I do what I normally do. I roll the windows down and hand him my driver's license. He goes to the, runs my information. He's like, you know, there might be a weird question, but you don't, are you, are you Coleon Noir? I was like, yeah. And he's like, oh man, I thought it was you.

Well, this is why it's a question because your ID is different because your real name is different. My real name is Collins. Yeah. Right. But. Do you give out your real name? I give out my real first name.

I don't give out my last name because I don't want to have to shoot anybody i'm being dead serious i mean i get i get a lot of weird stuff so oh i'm sure yeah and i don't i mean look if you want to find my real name you can find it you can pull up on wikipedia right but um i don't want to make it easy for you but i mean if you want to have those problems let's i mean have at it but and and i could have had people threaten me before what over what just my stance and things like that i've had people threatening you for your stance on responsible gun ownership they want to shoot you i don't understand it's so it's so ridiculous i don't understand it but you have but i mean there are a lot of psychos out there yeah and even anti-gunners can be

psychos this is the i've had this conversation about you with people that are not gun owners, that don't like guns. And I said, listen, there are people out there like yourself that are the best example of what you would hope for a gun owner. And if that's your fucking neighbor, you should be happy that that guy's armed. If some shit goes down, you need someone to help you. You want people to be able to help themselves. Talked that in my neighborhood. I think people are going to have a different attitude about this with all this defund the police talk. I really do.

And the looting and the – and not only that, but here in Santa Monica, they have police, right? The police are there. And they were told to stand down. They were told to stand there while people are looting. I think another thing, too, I think there is a semantics issue going on with the defund the police, at least from what I'm seeing. Because initially when I heard about the defund the police, what the hell are y'all talking about? Like, we can't be this stupid. I guess there is a segment.

Even within the defund the police, there are different sects. There are the people who are like, no, we just need to reallocate certain portions of the funding for police in different places. And then there are people who are like, no, we just need to absolve all police, take away the funding, and get rid of them. Those people are out of their fucking minds. But here's the funny thing about that. Let's take what's going on in Seattle,

in Chaz. How fast do we realize within a blink of an eye that crime is going to happen? It doesn't matter what type of utopia you think you're going to establish. There are going to be messed up people. Well, someone got shot there yesterday. And from what I hear, it was pretty much a hit.

Was it? I think not the one from yesterday, but the one before that, because there was another shooting. And apparently it seemed like it was a hit. Like they were looking for this person and they went to kill them. And I'm like, you were supposed to, Chaz was supposed to. Oh, God. And apparently, it seemed like it was a hit. Like, they were looking for this person, and they went to kill them. And I'm like, Chaz was supposed to be this utopia. Right. No cops. Right.

No money. And within a blink of an eye, what do you have? Lord of the Flies. They also don't have hospitals in Chaz, right? Like, what are you going to do if someone does get shot? Well, apparently, somebody bled out, because- Because the cops probably don't want to go in there. Yeah. Well, they wouldn't let him in oh god when i saw yeah

and so it's not going to end well folks it's not it's not going to end well the the the way to handle this in my opinion is to fix the turn the current structure to do it in a logical way that makes sense yeah it's not to take everything down so to take this back back to what you were saying about Black Lives Matter, don't you think there's probably people in Black Lives Matter who don't have these sort of Marxist ideas? They just don't want black people getting shot by cops. Absolutely. The sentiment of Black Lives Matter, I am all for it. As am I.

Yeah. I'm all for it. The organization, though, that's the problem I have because they're essentially the leadership of this. So you think that the leadership has almost like a secret motive that the people that are involved, that are doing all the groundwork, probably aren't even aware of? No, they're not. And I did a whole video about it. Yeah.

Because I remember Black Lives Matter. And there was a video I did, I think, two years ago. I remember this when I was with the NRA. a video I did, I think, two years ago. I remember this is when I was with the NRA, and Black Lives Matter was attacking the NRA, basically saying that they don't really care about black gun ownership, so forth and so on. It was like an attack piece. And I think it was the branch of Black Lives Matter that's here in LA, actually. And so I did a response video, and it was like a 15, 20-minute video. And I broke it down systematically. I'm like, all right, well, okay, we started off with Black Lives Matter

because of police brutality. Cool, I'm all for it. But what has happened now? All of a sudden they get this massive wave of funding and their whole direction shifts into some other stuff that I have no idea what it has to do with anything. Like what? With respect to,

now it's become this kind of like all encompassing umbrella of LGBTQ and some other stuff. But then and then even aspects of, I guess, I don't want to say Antifa is under the umbrella, but the whole Marxist kind of communist socialist aspects of politics kind of creeping into that as well. And then when you couple that with the idea that you have the actual founders saying that they are trained in Marxism and then you have what you see now playing out, founders saying that they are trained in Marxism. And then you have what you see now playing out where you have these very peaceful protests being co-opted by violent people who are now just engaging in writing and looting and then branding it Black Lives Matter.

There are wolves hiding amongst sheep. I think there's a bunch of things happening at the same time. And I think when it comes to the rioting and looting, I think there's a lot of just opportunists. No, absolutely. I don't think they're necessarily that organized. Some of it is organized. Some of it, maybe.

I do believe that. And then I do, and you're right, because there was, like, for instance, in Dallas, in Dallas,

one of the coffee shops that I go to all the time, he was telling me, he was like, you know, all the windows were broken out. And really, he was like, they really was just a bunch of kids

just running around, taking advantage of the chaos and just kind of breaking windows. And you have to take into consideration these kids haven't worked in three months. They're probably broke as fuck and looking for free shit. There's a ton of them. And there's just opportunists. And you saw that in New York, for sure.

Yeah, absolutely. I'm pretty sure y'all had that here, too. Yeah, for sure. For sure. But the crazy thing about New York is a lot of it was apartment buildings filming down on the streets because you know in New York everyone's in yeah yeah so they're filming there's so many videos of people filming on the streets where all this madness is going this one crazy video where all these people are breaking into shit and this guy runs the street another guy hits him with a car and he

goes flying through the air and the car takes off bro it's mad and and then they're just smashing through Soho and breaking into art galleries and stealing everything. And like, it's nuts, man. But also, but what's the question? When you have chaos, you inevitably will get destruction. Yes. I mean, that's what happens, which is why you need structure.

Which is why you need, keep in mind, I am no fan of big government. I'll be the first one to tell you mind i am no fan of big government i'll be the first one to tell you i am no fan of big government however you do need a level of law and order here's where i'm a fan of big government and i wish it did a better job when the covid shit went down and no one could work now it turned out that covid was not nearly as deadly as we were worried it was but it could have been and no one could work and that's why everybody stayed locked up when that happened that's when we needed money that's when we needed stimulus checks that's when we needed people to get that

1200 bucks that they only handed out once like how fucking crazy is that they they handed out trillions of dollars to all these corporations and they handed 1200 bucks out once to i mean i don't know how many people got it i don't know either but that's not enough for humans to live off for three fucking months if there was a time to ever do that it was then it was then that was the time where big government made sense and it didn't work out no it didn't and there was all these empty promises and it's like they got away with giving out one check and then they stopped and but it was supposed to be a constant thing right it? It was supposed to be the government. From my understanding.

I mean, I didn't get anything clearly, but from my understanding, it was supposed to be a constant. Yeah. A constant thing and it didn't happen the way it happened. But it should demonstrate to a lot of people to then you're going to take the same government and put your safety completely in the hands of the same government. Right. It just doesn't make sense to me. completely in the hands of the same government. Right. I just doesn't make sense to me.

To me, the government is supposed to be value added to what I'm already capable of doing myself. That's a good way of looking at it. And so, but I think too many people depend on the government entirely. And I don't think that's smart. Right. I just don't. And I'm not saying that life is fair.

I'm not saying that the system we have in place is fair. It's not. It's not. It's not fair. It's just, but what are you have in place is fair. It's not. It's not. It's not fair. It's just, but what are you going to do? Right. What are you going to do? The way I was raised and the way that my mom raised me was literally, life is not fair, son.

Deal with it. Figure it out. Find a way around it. Right. And that's the way I go about life. A lot of people don't like that. Some people think it's too optimistic. It's not optimistic.

It's realistic optimistic because it's realistic. Unfortunately, whether it's optimistic or pessimistic, it's realistic. What you get a hand of cards. Yeah. And if you're, you're dealt a shit hand of cards and you just sit around complaining about it, it doesn't do you any good. There's people that have been dealt shittier hands and they've figured it out. You know, it sucks. It sucks to be dealt a shitty hand of cards. And I understand envy. I understand when you're looking at people that are dealt an amazing hand of cards. Yeah. No, the funny thing about it is I, you know,

I think I tweeted out some time ago. I listen to a lot of rap. Like a lot of trap music. And I'm not from the streets. Yeah, sure. There was a period of my life where I live was basically the slumps. But I'm not a street dude. Yeah, sure. There was a period of my life where I live was basically the slums. But I'm not a street dude.

Never sold drugs. None of that. However, there's a certain aspect of that music. An understanding that there are a lot of people who have come from worse places than me. Who have managed to kind of bring themselves out of it. That when I look at my life, I say, well, I have no excuse. I have no excuse whatsoever. So I need to figure out a way to make my situation better.

However, now there's no guarantee I'll be able to do it. I may work my ass off and still fail, but I'm going to keep working my ass off. That's part of the game of life. The unfortunate thing is that some people are not gifted with a parent that gives them the sort of perspective that your mom gave you. That life is not fair. Deal with it. And then you go forth with that knowledge.

There's a lot of people out there that unfortunately they're born into terrible households where they're abused and there's crime around them and violence and they never get a chance. They never get a chance. in violence and they never get a chance. They never get a chance and I get it because they've developed in these abusive mentalities, these mentalities that they develop in this fucked up situation. And that's the thing too that I think that's a problem with the conversation that's going on.

Too many people are too dismissive of that reality. Right. Right. Because even though I can sit here and tell, I can tell you, basically what I'm saying is pull yourselves up by your bootstraps. That's essentially what I'm saying. Or at least that's the way I look at life. I'm like, figure it out a way. If I don't have boots, figure out a way to get the boots so I can pull my ass up. But to completely ignore the

circumstance like you talked about. You have to talk about a kid who's a child of somebody who grew up in the 80s crack epidemic. Yeah. Right? To parents who were crackheads. You can't look at this person and like, you know, like a little baby. A little baby just came out with a song right

called bigger picture and then he was like i'm just a product of my environment um nobody nobody taught us any better so as a result of that i look at that and i understand what the 80s crack epidemic did to black families during that time period so now you have crackheads raising crack heads and then having kids that's essentially what's what happened as a result of that. So to ignore that and to just say, nah, nah, nah, nah. You know, everybody has it hard, which they do, but you can't discount it and say that it doesn't have an effect because there is, there is an, there is an aspect of being so low.

You really don't stand a chance in hell. Right. Right. And to dismiss that wholesale, I think is disingenuous. Now, what do we do about it? I don't, I'm not smart enough to have the answer for that. But there needs to be something. At bare minimum, at least have the conversation. Yeah, I think the conversation should be, how come you guys had trillions of dollars to bail out these corporations

during the COVID lockdown, but you didn't have trillions of dollars to fix these impoverished communities that have been in the same situation for decades thank you freaking decades man nailed it it's nuts man that's what it is it's like there's so much money that you can spend to avoid an economic collapse but yet there's no money to fix what's been an economic collapse forever i mean what are you doing with my money i pay 30 taxes what the fuck are you doing with my money? I pay 30% in taxes. What the fuck are you doing with my money then? Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. You know, and I've said it again. I've said it before. I'll say it again. If you want to make America great, you would want less losers. How do you have less losers? Give people more of an opportunity to get better. Give people more of an opportunity to succeed.

And they should look at all those spots, whether it's Baltimore or Detroit or south side of Chicago, look at all those spots in this country as places where people have much less of a chance. So if you give them more of a chance, you're going to have more productive people. You're going to have a stronger country. It's really simple. It's simple. And the funny thing is you'll probably see the most growth happen in those places. It's just like lifting weights. Oh, yeah.

If I haven't lifted in 20 years, you start lifting weights on a regular basis you're like yo i'm seeing transformations it's only been doing it for a while you're like oh man i'm stagnating you know good point yeah that's a good point you know and it would it's also we're supposed to be a community yeah you know i mean that's one thing that i do love about these peaceful protests all these people marching together whether or not they're all going to get COVID or not, which is probably a lot of them are. Don't get me started on that. It's a fact.

Especially at night. Apparently, Brett Weinstein sent me something, Jamie. I'll send it to you. It's very interesting. But one of the things that they found out about COVID is that it dies almost instantly, airborne COVID, when it hits UV light. Really? Yeah, I'm going to send you this, Jamie,

which is really kind of crazy. Yeah, so it's one of the reasons why apparently... It wasn't a link. It wasn't a link? It's just text. Really? I'm sorry. Hold on.

Here, I'll do this this and then I'll do this Yeah, that'll this work Here we go It's rapidly inactivated by simulated sunlight or sunlight. Yeah, just UV light kills it Yeah, you can see we run around my house. It's gonna look like a ray fire But what's interesting is what Brett Weinstein's, what his theory was or his thought was, he's a biologist. He was on the podcast last week. And one of the things that he pointed out was there's all these indications that this is something that escaped from a lab.

Yeah. Like very specific indications. That's what I'm saying too. Yeah. And these indications are basically the way it evolved. It evolved far too quickly. And then he pointed out some things that I'm not going to remember because I'm a moron.

But he said also it seems like because of the fact that it dies in sunlight, but it spreads very easily without sunlight, it's very contagious. He thinks it may have evolved in this laboratory environment to be more contagious while indoors. So his thought is that this is something that they probably had created in order to test

various antiviral medications and all these different things. And that during this process, somehow or another, it got out. And it's one of the reasons why this thing spread so quickly to people indoors gotcha yeah but it's so fucking it's so crazy so contentious that's another thing people got mad at me because i was saying that you didn't have to wear a mask well that's what i read the cdc was saying that unless you're dealing with covid patients or was it the world health organization but then again also i was saying it to fuck with my friend bill burr i think you should know this folks patients or was it the World Health Organization? But then again, also I was saying it to fuck with my friend Bill Burr. I think you should know this, folks.

When I was saying that, I was trolling Bill Burr to try to get him to go on a rant. But maybe it was the Kyle Dunnigan show too. Listen, don't listen to me. I'm a moron. Go online. But don't get mad at me either. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Oh, man.

But I do know that there's these giant spikes in all these cities where they had big protests. Yeah. I mean, that's... Yeah. It's going to happen. I mean, yeah. I mean, you have a highly dense populated area with a bunch of people marching, sweating, and...

But what's hilarious is they're blaming it on Republican governors opening up the states too early. That's why they keep blaming them. God, man. This party politics stuff is so... It drives me insane, man. But it's happening in but it's happening in California too you can't do that this is a super liberal progressive state it's happening right here too we're gonna draw ourselves crazy with this we are they should make pop they should

make political parties illegal they're really shy I'm not you can't you can't say you're a Republican or a Democrat. It's just too confusing to people. I just want you to tell me what you want to do. Yeah, tell me what you want. What do you want to do? Yeah, what do you want to do? And then we can talk.

And then let's have that conversation. Stop hiding behind a donkey or an elephant. You confuse the fuck out of me, you know? I'm of the same nature. Yeah. Like, what are we doing, man? We keep playing this game. What it does is it creates extremes. Yep. Right without extremes again no nuance yeah without nuance we really don't solve anything everything just becomes everything becomes a nail and everyone's

a hammer yeah that's pretty much what happens exactly and so we need we need more scalpels that's what we need we need more options you know this two-party option that's left us with joe biden or donald Trump is so bonkers. That's another thing people got mad at me last week because I said that Joe Biden is experiencing cognitive decline and people are. How was it? How was anybody not seeing that? Thank you. How was that?

No, I don't think they're really mad. I think I think it's just people that think that I'm going to fuck up the Democrats options that some are going to listen to me and not vote. But come on. It's not even, like, look. It's not debatable. It's not. It's not debatable. Can you imagine if Trump was that confused all the time? They would be hammering that thing hard. And by the way, he has been confused

before. Don't get it wrong. But they're both old. What's that? They're both old as fuck. And also, I think Trump's medicated. I think when I've seen these videos where he's like slurring. David Pakman had a bunch that he put up where he's like slurring his words. I think he's like coming down off some shit. Or, you know what I mean? Like, I think he's on some uppers.

I think he's on some. I think that's how he's so peppy. He does those rallies. If that's the case, give that same shit to Joe Biden. Too late. Because it's the case, give that same shit to Joe Biden. It's too late. Because it's ridiculous, man. It's beyond politics. Beyond politics.

Just his cognitive ability. I can't vote for him alone on that. Now, granted, his politics completely. He's not standing a chance in hell with me. But cognitively, no. It's not it, man. Who are you going to vote for? Do you know?

Right now, I'll probably do the same thing I did last time. But, yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm at. What does that mean?

I voted for Trump last time. Did you? How dare you? Yeah, I know, right? People get mad at you? Oh, all the time. Really? Yeah, but I'm a pragmatic voter.

Did they get mad at you for that more or the Black Lives Matter position you were just describing um well the black lives matter we'll find out the black lives matter position i described i hadn't talked about that in almost two years but you talked about it on your videos i did before yeah and i got a lot i got some people understood where i was coming from some people have to understand like i really really really try to remove all sense of emotion when I try to assess or analyze a situation.

I look at things as pragmatic as I possibly can, not discounting my emotions. I just try to remove it when I'm analyzing it and then make my decision. I'm still human, right? So I'm going to have my biases, but I am very practical. And I also understand I have a platform that is rather large. So it's irresponsible for me to just go off on emotional tirades based on how I feel without investigating facts. Now, have I been wrong? Yeah. Have I maybe shot my mouth off a little bit beforehand before I should have? Yeah.

But I try to learn from those mistakes. Right. And then another thing, too, because there is no nuance, most of the people who are mad at me about, especially with the Black Lives Matter aspect of things, like, I don't have a problem with the Black Lives Matter sentiment. I'm freaking black. I don't understand that. However, I just, I'm not a fan of the organization. You're not a fan of Marxism. I'm not.

Yeah, I understand. Actually, you know what? That's a beautiful way of putting it Yeah, remove that Marxist element of it when we talk. That's what's interesting It's like every movement gets kind of co-opted by some of the ideas that are attached to the movement It's like sometimes they have a really good bill Right and they're trying to pass like a stimulus bill and then you look in the bill and there's all sorts of shit I mean, it's almost trying to shove into things. It's kind of deliberate.

They'll pollute it so it doesn't get passed. That's a big part of politics. But you don't expect that from something that seems so organic like Black Lives Matter. Michael Che has a great bit about it. But he's like, think about, I'm going to fuck up the bit. But it's like basically just the sentiment. All we're saying is they matter. Yeah. Even people argue that. Yeah.

That's where I look at the disingenuous nature of the conversations that are being had. Like it's as simple as this. Like I don't see why anybody would get mad at Black Lives Matter. And I don't understand why anybody would get mad at All Lives Matter. But I can see why somebody would get mad at someone saying All eyes matter and response to black lives matter because what it seems like it's doing is just undermining and just kind of tossing aside the aspect of the complaint. Right. The complaint is cops have been killing black people and it's on video and we

all should be outraged. We should. Yes. Yes. And if, and if it is the people, because people do make the argument that, well,

they're all eyes matter and more white people are killed by cops. And you're right. And I think you should be as equally mad. I do. Police brutality should not stop at race. Right. Police brutality is police brutality. So my thing is this. If we live in a country and we're supposed to be all one, all lives do matter.

We do. lives do matter. We do. However, if there is a particularized group of people within that inclusiveness that feel like their lives don't matter, at bare minimum, we should have that conversation. We should just at least have that conversation and say, all right, why do you feel that way? What is it exactly that makes you think that your life doesn't matter? And then when we go through the particular points and address each one, you know what? It may be coming from nowhere. It may be delusion or it may be completely utterly valid. But at bare minimum, if we can't even get to the point where we have the conversation because our instinctive gut is to say, no, all lives matter. What are you talking about? It's not fair. It's not fair. I'm not saying one side is right or the other. What I'm saying is we're going to

be a country that's all one people. And there's a part of it that's telling you we don't feel like we matter. Right. But we need to address it. Yes. And understand why the fuck they feel that way. If the Indian people were saying the same thing, Indian lives don't matter. I don't really.

I'm not Indian. I didn't grow up in the culture. I don't know what particularized issues you may have growing up in this society. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. But talk to me. Let me hear you out. Right. Because clearly you feel some type of way.

So let me hear what you have to say about that. And then we can have that conversation and say, all right, maybe we'll reach a point where they go, you know what? Maybe I was taking this a little too far. Or maybe I go, damn, I didn't realize that. I've been so consumed with my life that I didn't realize that you had to go through these difficulties as well that I didn't have to right you know but we can't even get to that point

because we're so polarized so polarized I think I think we're doing better at it than we ever have before though just because of the fact there's been these gigantic peaceful protests and the conversation is going and also because like I don't think it's good that people get fired for saying all lives matter, but they do get fired for saying all lives matter. I hate cancel culture.

It's kind of crazy. I can't stand it. I think people should be allowed to say whatever they want without fear of retribution. Well, I do, too. But it's fascinating to me that there's these fearful people that want to cancel people for every mistake and everything they've done wrong. people that want to cancel people for every mistake and everything they've done wrong. One thing that I had a conversation with somebody about it when they were saying like, what's wrong with saying all lives matter? I'm like, there's nothing wrong with saying all lives matter, but here's the problem.

The only reason why people are saying black lives matter is because there's people out there that don't feel like they matter. If you said white lives matter, people would be like, duh. You couldn't have a movement in this country that says white lives matter. People would be like, what the fuck are you complaining about? But here's the thing about that, too, though. Everybody has, in a country as mixed as we are, everyone has to particularize issues in this country. Everybody has their own problems as a group.

I'm not going to discount your problems because I don't suffer from them. So if you want to tell me all white lives matter, cool. I'm not white. I don't know what the hell you're going through. I mean, I'll hear you out. What's the issue? Because I'm still living in this country with you. I consider you my brother.

So we may have a different upbringing, a different cultural background. But tell me, what is the issue that you're dealing with and why do you feel that way because right now from my standpoint i mean i may as a black person i may look at you and say well what the hell are you complaining it's so ridiculous all lives matter at least makes some sense that we should all be together like if you're talking police about police brutality in particular yeah bad cops kill all kinds of people there's plenty of videos of cops killing white people. There's a horrible video of those cops pushing that old man down. He can't even walk now.

That's so messed up. That old man has a broken skull and he can't fucking walk and he's got permanent brain damage and he's old as fuck. And then Trump goes and says some crazy shit like he might have been Antifa and he might have been like, he's old as fuck. That's so crazy crazy that is the crazy like to look at that video and not say hey you shouldn't push an old

man like that yeah I thought that was unnecessary as hell I don't know what the guy was saying to the cops but there's no I mean I mean it's old guy he felt too easy I'm like bitch you can't even walk down a ramp I think what happened right he spent 10 minutes in his fucking speech the other day talking about Trump said he fell too easy. I'm like, bitch, you can't even walk down a ramp. I think what happened.

Right? He spent 10 minutes in his fucking speech the other day talking about why he couldn't, why it was so hard to walk down the ramp. My shoes were slippery. I get it, man. But you can't even walk down a ramp. If you had those slippery shoes on, you're telling me you wouldn't fall down like that old man? I bet you would.

I bet you fucking would. But I think sometimes what happens, I think it's weird because I think the problem is sometimes, and I suffer from it too. Man, we get so much information so fast. Right. And it's hard to keep up with it. It's hard for me. People ask me, why don't you talk about this? Why don't you talk about that?

It's like, it's not a gun issue. Well, why don't you talk? I can barely keep up with the gun issue. Right. Much less anything else. I think he suffers from that sometimes too. What? He'll see something.

He suffers from the same kind of headline focus. He'll see it and won't really investigate it any further. And then he'll kind of take whatever confirmation bias he may have over here and over here and just kind of throw it together and then he'll say something. I think you're 100% right. I think he has too many things going on. First of all, I don't think anybody should be president. I think it's a ridiculous position. And I think it should be like a council of wise folks.

That's what it should be. That becomes an oligarchy. Maybe, yeah. Good point. Well, what the fuck, man? Being a president's not good either. But even then, within that, I mean, some people would argue president is nothing more than a ceremonial position. Right, but we pin all these problems on them.

Like, we pin COVID on them. We pin North Korea on them. We pin North Korea on them. We pin China, trade relations. We pin war with Iran, war with Syria, war with this, that. There's so many different things. The environment, oh, what are you doing in these fucking... Fracking.

I respect anybody who's a president. I may not agree with you, but to be in that position and do what you have to deal with, I have no choice but to respect it, which is why I will always respect the office and who's in it. Well, I hope they do well. That's what I do. Yeah. I want them to do well.

The idea that there's some people that wanted Trump to fail and they wanted the economy to collapse. To prove themselves right. So he would get removed from office. No, they just want to prove themselves right. There's a little bit of that, too. But it's also like, come on, man, that is bad for everybody. What you really should be is like what everybody should be hopeful or should have been hopeful for when he got erected is to be pleasantly surprised. Pleasantly surprised that he said, look, I'm sorry all the shit I said about Mexicans being rapists.

But now I'm not going to do that anymore. I'm going to do my best to make this the best place. It's crazy that even that, even that was taken out of context. Yes. And so it's like, and it sucks because here's another thing. Because people always like to say that, man, people are dumb. And I'm like, I don't want to think that. More and more I start to think that.

But what I think a lot of it is, is, man, we have so much information now. And so many people are angling for their own agenda based on the same information, you don't know what's what. And so we're getting these bits and bits. If I'm worried about raising my kids, working, providing for my family, it's going to be hard for me to intellectualize. I mean, we do this for a living. So it's going to be hard for somebody who's just trying to raise a family.

Well, hell, it's not like you don't have a family to raise either. But it's hard to be able to parse through all the information we have at our disposal to come out with what's actually true and correct or full context. Right. And have a good take on it. Yeah. You know, I mean, that's the other thing. It's so difficult for someone like me who does talk for a living. And I fuck things up all the time.

You know, and I can't imagine being in charge of as many things as anybody that is a president or a governor or even a mayor is in charge. It must be fucking insane. Yeah. No, it's nutty, man. I know what I have to deal with. Yeah. In terms of just my little platform over here in this little small area. And it's a lot, man, because especially if you actually give a damn.

Yes. If I was just out here acting and just saying shit because, you know, just feeding my base, whatever they want to hear, right. Then that'd be a different story. But I challenge, I challenge my base all the time. Well,

I think that's one of the reasons why you resonate because you are a genuine person. Like you're, it's very obvious that the things you say, you say them because you mean it. And this is your perspective. And this is your, your well thought out perspective on,

on things and I think that that's that there's a big difference between that and someone who just says shit because they think that this is their their brand yeah and this is their audience is going to respond to this and this is probably going to get me more likes yeah and that that's a real problem with social media and the thing is it's it's frustrating like i did uh i did a piece on ahmaud arbery the ahmaud arbery case um the the shooting in georgia i didn't see with the uh i know the so i basically i did i did a complete legal analysis of it which essentially what i did in that 20 minute video lawyers get paid 500 to a thousand dollars an hour for because so much time

it took me two days to put that video together because I needed to make sure all my facts and elements were correct I basically had to go back to being in law school all over again

and while that's happening there are tons of other things happening too that I need to comment on as well but I'm just I'd rather err on the side

of falling behind on being the first on the news to make sure or try to get it as right as possible and that requires a lot of fucking time man and then on top of that i still got to review guns and do all the other stuff so it frustrates me but like my mom said you made your

bed and i laying it right i'm not complaining about it but i just need some people to understand the perspective and where i'm coming from and why i'm not quick to talk about a lot of stuff because sometimes i just need time to figure out what why I'm not quick to talk about a lot of stuff. Because sometimes I just need time to figure out what the hell is going on. Because there are a lot of people I get messages who rely on my information to make their decision. They don't just follow what I say. They just use my information to make their decision. So I want to give them the best piece of information.

It's like putting gas in your car. I don't want to put shitty gas in the car. I want the car to run functionally. So I'm going to try to give it the best gas as possible. And so that's what I try to do, especially when I talk about the gun issue, because right now there's so much misinformation on the gun issue. And a lot of times people don't even know what they don't know. Like for instance, when you had Alonzo Bodden on here, like I could tell a lot of what he was saying was coming from a good place. He just, there was some things he just didn't know he knew or didn't know. hell, a lot of what he's saying is coming from a good place.

There were some things he just didn't know he knew or didn't know. And so that's kind of where I put myself. I said, okay, how do I tailor and craft videos in such a way that somebody who isn't necessarily a gun person can understand it? What Alonzo Bowden said, what bothered you? Part of it, so some of the misinformation with respect to background checks. The background check aspect of it where he kind of talked about it from the standpoint of the waiting period, the questionnaire that you filled out in the beginning before you submit yourself for the background check, that, that,

that was the background check and it wasn't. And so, cause a lot of people think that a lot of people think that, Oh, you just go there, fill out a yes or no question. Yes or no questionnaire about whether or not you can own a gun and then you you get a gun and that's not the case and so i corrected that and then also what i did i just critiqued his position on a couple of things like for instance high capacity magazines because he says he's like you don't need 50 rounds in a clip so to speak well it's actually a magazine but that's neither here nor there. But I disagree with that. Now, in that regard, he's not wrong. That's his opinion.

My opinion is I think I do need a magazine that has 50 rounds. And then I went on to explain why. What did you say? You want to kill 50 people? No, man. What did you say? So with respect, so why do we own firearms? We own firearms.

A lot of people are owning firearms for self-defense. Right. And as a regular person, I'm not a criminal. I just go about my day. I don't want to be, I'm already coming on the back end. I'm already at a disadvantage. Because a criminal who's going out to commit a crime knows he's going to commit a crime. And what can you do when you know you're about to do something?

You prepare. And since he's a criminal, he doesn't have to deal with all of the restraints that come with what? Laws. So if there's a law that says you can't have more than 10 rounds, like here in California, right? I can't have a magazine that has more than 10 rounds. If I'm a criminal and I know I'm going to commit a crime, do I really give a damn about a law that says I can't carry 10 rounds in my magazine? I don't. However, as a citizen, when I'm going about my life, carrying a gun on me is hard enough. Right. And because like, you know, there's whole dialogues about what size gun you can have,

how many rounds you want to have, what bullet caliber, things of that nature. I don't know what I'm going to face. I could face one guy. I can face one guy who's high as hell. I can face two, three, four, five guys. I don't know. So why artificially limit the number of bullets I can have in my gun when I don't know what I might be facing to protect my life from? Well, it's a weird thing, too. It's because, like, I don't know if you're preserving any life by limiting the size of a magazine. You're not.

I don't understand it. Well, I think, pardon me to cut you off. No, go ahead. What the argument is, is they're looking at it from a mass shooter perspective. Right. They're saying if you limit the amount of bullets that the mass shooter can have, that Then he's going to have to change clips? Yeah.

But again, he's going out to commit mass murder. Do you think he cares about breaking the law that says he can only have 10 rounds in his magazine? I think their idea is that it makes it harder for him to get those clips because he can't get them at the local gun store. There are more of those out there than guns. And we have over 300 million guns in this country. Right. They're going to have them. But, you know, with a lot of these mass shooters, here's the other problem. They're actually getting the guns illegally. They're getting them from someone, you know, they're stealing them from someone's gun safe or from someone's house. That's what a lot of it is coming from anyway. I think what a lot,

I think a lot of the, the kind of project, not so much the politicians, I think the politicians are by and large, very disingenuous, but a lot of people who support these ideas who are just regular people, I think it's their way of trying to figure out some way of control. Because mass shootings terrify us because they're so random. They're like tornadoes. See, hurricanes, you can kind of prepare for a hurricane. You kind of have an idea of where the path is coming, where it's going. Tornadoes, they just touch down and destroy shit. And you don't know when it's coming.

Same thing with mass shootings. Mass shootings are terrifying because they just kind of happen out of nowhere. It's like, whoa, what? OK, what can we do? Because you feel helpless. You really feel helpless. And even though they account for almost a statistical zero of gun violence in this country, they still terrify us because we don't know when or where it's going to happen. See, the other gun violence stuff doesn't really terrify us as much because we know where it happens.

Happens in inner cities. Don't go to inner cities. But mass shootings terrifies from that stance because we don't know when it's going to come. So we think, okay, well, if we limit this and we restrict this, then it'll minimize it even more. And it's like, no, it's not going to happen. We have to deal with the reality. And the reality terrifies me just as much as anyone else. But what are you going to do?

You're going to lay down and die? No, you fight. Yeah. And that's it. And I remember when I was on Bill Maher and we talked about arming teachers, right? The idea of arming teachers. And he was like, I was like, well, if a teacher is willing to sacrifice, we've got teachers that have sacrificed their lives for their students during school shootings. So I'm like, if a teacher is willing to sacrifice their life for their kids, why not put a gun in their hand to give them the power to fight for their life?

And he goes because they're teachers he's like they're there to teach and I'm like Well, they're already dying for the students. Well, the idea that it's mutually exclusive seems kind of silly Yeah Like there's a lot of really intelligent people that can teach and also know how to shoot a gun. Exactly. That's not. And I think the misconception, too, was I was like a lot of people thought I was saying we need to mandate that teachers own firearms. That's not what I was saying.

What I was saying was if there's a teacher who wants to go through the process of being able to carry a firearm in school, why not let them do that? That's all I'm saying. When he said because they're teachers that everybody clap oh my god yes it was thunderous yes you got him that's the problem with doing a show in front of an audience yeah yeah no you do shit for class because they're teachers now in all fairness during the conversation he poked any prodded and I think he gave me more of a fair shot than anybody else, generally speaking. Yeah, he's an intelligent guy.

Yeah, he is. Now, when I went to the roundtable discussion, that was a different story. And part of it was I thought I could approach it rationally. Yeah. And I couldn't because all the person that I was dealing with was doing was appealing to emotion. And what were they saying? Basically, I would talk about the idea of background checks, for instance. And I was like, well, how are you going to enforce them?

And they're like, she would just kind of stutter and stammer. But then if the Bill Maher posted a picture of a guy who had like a bunch in California who had a bunch of guns that were seized. And she's like, oh, my God, all those guns. Who needs all those guns? I'm like, I'm like, look, I get it. You see and you attribute a very nefarious nature to firearms in general.

I don't. I have a lot of guns. I don't go around killing people. And I only have two hands. That guy only has two hands. The number of guns he has is irrelevant. And she's like, but they can use those guns to give other people to kill as many people.

It's just hysteria. And I'm just like oh god um that's not how this works well it's also a long conversation and this is my problem with any of those shows is that you got like three minutes to discuss something that should be three hours yeah and at the end of three hours you're probably still yeah you still gotta walk away with a lot of questions and maybe not even really coming up with any solution. And most likely, most likely not coming up with any solution. It seems like it's a it's a very particularly human problem.

You know, the problem of gun ownership in this country. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. You know, it's and I think, again, one of the reasons why I wanted to bring you on right after this COVID thing when I contacted you, because I think that people are now understanding that, hey, this police thing that you were counting on to protect you. You're not going to get them in certain places because they're in conflict with the state and the government, like in Atlanta or in New York, where they're quitting left and right. And in California, they're trying to get the sheriff of Santa Monica to step down. I mean, you've got a lot of problems with the police. It's not as simple as call the police. They'll be there for you. Even when it was that simple.

Yeah. Even when it was. It still was in effect. It's an illusion. Right. Even when it was that simple. Yeah, even when it was. It still was in effect. It's an illusion, right? And this is what you and I, and I know we talked about this before, that this idea that you shouldn't be self-reliant, that you should be dependent upon the government.

This is what the Second Amendment was written for. People say it was designed like a well-armed militia. It was designed in case someone was coming and attacking you. No, it could be the government themselves. The government is filled with people. That's what it keeps saying. Yes, they're humans. And when have you ever seen a time where the government has said, no, we want less power?

Never. And once they get power, they never give it back. It doesn't come back. And that's what I keep trying to tell people. Like, look, I get you want to try things. They just want to throw things on the wall and hope it sticks. Let's ban these guns. Let's limit this capacity.

Let's do this. Like, you do that. You don't get it back. So even if it doesn't work, you think the government's going to say, well, better yet, this whole idea that they're going to have a gun buyback program, the voluntary buyback. You think they're going to give you your guns back if it doesn't work? If the crime rate still stays the same, which it has in other places that have done the same thing. But Australia.

But Australia. And what they don't talk about about Australia is when they did it, it actually, crime spiked. Did it? Yeah. Because you got to think about it. Like the whole notion or idea that like criminals are criminals of opportunity. Right. Right.

So no one has a gun. No one has a gun. Think about it. It's just like what's going on in Chaz now or what's going on in Atlanta. If there are no cops around, criminals are going to show up and they're going to take advantage of the chaos. Yes. Period.

And you're not going to tell me that, no, the cops will always be there. Look what happened in Canada. The guy stole a gun from a cop, killed the cop, and went on a rampage killing spree for almost 12, 13 hours. He shut down an entire city by himself. That one is a weird one, and I was reading something about it last night. See if you can find this, that he withdrew a huge amount of money, like more than 400- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I saw this. Shit. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He withdrew more than $400,000 from a bank account. How does he even, how was he even able to do that? Exactly.

And there's some concern that this might have been some sort of intelligence operation, that there's something more to this story because they were talking about the way he got that money that it very well could have been that he was involved in something on a totally different level. The Nova Scotia shooter case has hallmarks of an undercover operation. Police say the killer's withdrawal, $475,000, was highly irregular and how the RCMP agent would get money.

How NRCMP. I don't know what that. Royal Canadian Mounted Police. I think that is. Withdrawal of $475,000 in cash by the man who killed 22 Nova Scotians in April matches the method that is Royal Canadian Mounted Police, right? Uses to send money to confidential informants and agents, sources say. Gabriel Wattman, who is responsible for the largest mass killing in Canadian history,

withdrew the money from a Brinks deposit in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, March 30th, stashing a carry-all filled with $100 bills in the trunk of his car. Wow. My thing is like this. For an operation that complex, you think they'd be that sloppy? Yeah. Yeah, they're filled with people. It's government. And they're. Yeah, they're filled with people.

It's government. And they're Canadians. So they're actually nice. Sources in both banking and the RCMP say the transaction is consistent with how the RCMP funnels money to its confidential informants and agents and is not an option available to private banking customers. The RCMP has repeatedly said that it has

no, in quotes, special relationship with Wartman, which means it's a regular relationship. Court documents show that Wartman owned a New Brunswick registered company called Berkshire Broman, the legal owner of two of his vehicles, including one of the police replica cars.

Oh, he was a crazy person. He had a police replica car? Yeah, he had a lot of them. Whatever the purpose of the company, there's no public evidence that could have been able to move large quantities of cash. Wartman also ran his own, what is a denturist business? You make fake teeth. Is that what it is? Yeah. Denturist? Yeah, basically a dentist. Oh, wow. Okay, so he had a fake teeth business? Yeah. And there's no reason to believe that it would also work that it would it also would require him to handle large amounts of cash If Wartman is or was an RCMP informant or agent

It would explain while the force appeared not to take action on complaints about his illegal Guns and his assault on his common-law wife. Hmm. Whoa So he might have been a fucking informant. So he might have been working for the government. That makes sense. Because there's a lot of sick... I'm not going to say it doesn't make sense. Listen, there's a lot of sick fucks in all lines of business,

including dentists. How many dentists have been accused of feeling up ladies after they put them under? Right? I've heard. Yeah. There's some sick fucks that are in all lines of work, including informants.

Plus, informants, like you're a fucking rat. So he's a rat that went bad. Yeah. Could be. So there's a complex backstory to that guy. Very much so. Yeah. Nonetheless, it still happened.

Yeah. But then again, it's funny because immediately after that yes unilaterally trudeau basically said no more guns yeah at least no more no assault rifles which are yeah which drive gun people crazy yes because what does that mean all right so assault rifle and assault rifle is to put it simply and i'm trying to explain this in plain language for people who don't know any different most people think when they see us here assault rifle and assault rifle is a good to put it simply and I'm trying to explain some plain language for people who don't know any different most people think when they see us here saw rifle they think a machine gun which is fully automatic or semi-automatic I'm not so matter fully automatic or Burst basically it's like three rounds at a time each time you pull the trigger That's an assault rifle

Ar-15s are not assault rifles. Right. Single shot. Yeah. Single shot gun. You pull a trigger once, you get one bullet. It's kind of synonymous. It's like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Chrysler 300.

Yeah. Why do they call it an assault rifle then? Because it looks badass? Well, why does who call it an assault rifle? Why do people call an AR an assault rifle? Well Well because that's language used by the anti-gunners who are pushing an agenda. So what they wanna do is they wanna closely tie the idea of a machine gun that people largely see

being used in movies to what's being sold on the streets. So the distinction would be automatic versus semi-automatic. Semi-automatic, yes. And the difference between an AR is you don't have to cock it like a bolt action rifle every time you fire a shot. Yes. Yeah. And that's one of the arguments in the hunting world And ar is you don't have to cock it like a bolt-action rifle every time you fire a shot. Yes Yeah, and that's one like one of the arguments in the hunting world is that you don't need an AR

And it's not it wouldn't be effective and I've actually heard people say that I'm like no No as a hunter it would be more effective because oftentimes you need a second shot You need to get that shot up and get out that second shot instantly bang bang, but it's Ironically, that's the same argument though'll use to why we need to ban them. Because it allows a shooter to shoot faster than normal. And then I'll argue that's why we need them for self-defense. Yeah, again, it becomes one of those really messy people problems. Like it's a messy- That's the common denominator behind all of it.

Yep, people. It's the people. People. But now they've even- What they'll do is they'll try to invalidate that argument. It's like, it's not a gun problem, it's a people problem. And they'll try to undermine it by acting like it's just a stupid trope. Yeah.

But it's the truth. Well, I made a tweet a long time ago that said this country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem. I agree with you. And it's really what it is. I absolutely agree with you. It's really what it is. And this is one thing that never gets discussed. Whenever one of these people does something really fucked up, they don't look at the amount of medication these people are on.

You know what's funny? They don't. They don't. They really don't. And they're almost all on medication. Almost all. There's a common denominator. Guns and medication.

And one gets looked at very closely and the other gets blatantly ignored. Why do you think that is? Because the pharmaceutical industry has a shitload of money. And there's a lot of these politicians that are in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry. They have a firm grip on the narrative. So the gun is a perfect scapegoat. And they also don't want all the other people that are on these psychotropic medications to feel bad that they're on them. That they could be lumped in with these same people that like imagine if we just started

like if it's ssris or antidepressants or or anti-anxiety medication imagine if that becomes the narrative in the news yeah like that people on ssris are fucking dangerous because all these school shooters are on ssris now see that's Yeah, go ahead. Because that would almost be a better argument than the NRA. Because if you look at the NRA and you look at NRA members and the amount of NRA members that have actually done these horrible mass shootings, it's like none. Yeah. It's crazy that the medication is a better correlation than the NRA. Like saying that, people's fucking heads are gonna explode. Rogan, you shill! Your government shill! They have information on you! No, I'm just

I'm just saying the facts. Responsible gun owners are not the people that are doing these things. It's crazy people. And unfortunately, crazy people are oftentimes on medication. Now, that's like a correlation causation argument as well. I'm not saying that the medication is forcing these people into doing that. But I am saying that I've known people that have taken SSRIs and have taken antidepressants and a lot of different psychotropic medicines. And one of the things that they've said is that it makes them not care about things. It's real weird. I've heard that.

Stuff can happen. It disassociates them from emotions and things don't bother them. I'm like, that's scary to me. That's scary to me. Because I am the total opposite. I feel everything. I mean, I really do. I'm a very sensitive person.

I know how to handle it, but I'm very sensitive. And it could speak to the notion that when you hear people describe the account of interacting with a mass shooter, them having this kind of stoic, emotional space. Yeah, they've got shark eyes. Yeah. They're all on medication, man. I mean, it's really like the numbers are staggering. And I'm not saying medication causes people to do that. But I mean, it's something that the numbers are staggering. And I'm not saying medication causes people to do that.

But I mean, it's something that needs to be talked about and explored. Now, I sit on the board of Walk the Talk America, which is a mental health, a 2A mental health organization. And whose goal basically is to address the correlation, if any, between firearm ownership and mental health. And is this something that you got involved because of the attacks on gun ownership and the recognition that there is some sort of correlation? So the catalyst for it was to say, because a lot of gun owners will say, well, it's a mental health issue. And we'll always say that.

And you and I agree, we do believe that is the case. So what Walk the Talk America does is it says, OK, so let's walk the talk. Let's try to figure out how to fix or deal with the mental health issue component. Right. If we're going to say that's what it is and it's not the gun and we do believe that. So let's start having that conversation and doing what needs to do. So what the organization does is it crosses the aisle with people in the mental health space and brings them over into the gun side and vice versa. And so we can have those conversations to figure out a way how we can kind of balance the firearm ownership with mental health.

Because that conversation is not being had. And so I think if we're going to talk about it and say it is a mental health issue, okay, so let's start this deep sea dive into the mental health issue and see if we can come up with a solution that that speaks to why we have so Many people that have these mental health issues and then how do we exist in a world where this many people have mental health issues? In a world also where we have this many guns Yeah And so so that we can better solve whatever problems we think we have instead of just throwing around well We need to ban this we need to come up with this stupid law like instead of doing that Couldn't agree more.

I don't think it's that simple. I don't think it's as simple as banning things because I think there's a lot of people that are responsible gun users and gun owners, and I don't think you should do anything to take away their rights. Yeah, I agree. I really don't.

And I get in arguments with people about that, particularly my liberal friends. Yeah. You know, they're like, how can you call yourself a liberal when you have that perspective? I'm like, because it's rational. I don't understand why the gun debate is even politicized.

It shouldn't be political. The fact that there's a division between, like the fact that you can't be a liberal and a pro-gun, it's crazy to me. The same way that I can't be, like the idea of being conservative and pro-gun is seen as a crazy thing. That doesn't make any sense to me either.

I think the gun should live in a space that is outside of the idea of politics. Within reason, of course, because, you know, there's always going to be everything. Politics is kind of everything. Right. But I don't think it should be that divisively defined between being a liberal or conservative. Yeah. It's just so weird to me. Well, it's divisive because we're divisive about everything.

True. There's certain topics like, here's a good one, global warming. Like, I guarantee you, man, is global. If you had across the board how much of climate change is natural versus how much of it is man-made, and you just, just a simple question, and you threw that out there. I guarantee if you looked at the numbers and you could get a real accurate assessment of how many conservatives and how many liberals responded. And I think that if you said, is it a hoax?

When you went to the yes side, yes, it's a hoax. It's overwhelmingly conservative people who think it's a hoax or that it's not an issue. I think the reason for that, to a degree degree is because you have so many people, you have very, very out front figureheads who've tried to utilize global climate change as a way to kind of undermine the economic structure in this country. In what way? Like, you know, the green power and all this stuff like that. Like, look at the Green Deal.

To me, that's just economics perversion. It's just trying to entirely change the economic structure of our country to be more beneficial. Can you define the new Green Deal for people who don't know what it means? What they're trying to do? As far as the Green Deal? Basically, they're trying to replace all of our kind of conservative means of production with respect to energy

and replace it with green energy. And I don't think it's completely sustainable. And it don't think it's completely sustainable. And it's not even like it's progressive. It's a complete turnaround, 180. And I just think that's irresponsible. Now, here's the thing about that. From my standpoint, right, I consider myself just right of center as far as ideology.

I have not done enough research on climate change to have a definitive opinion about it. So what I'm telling you is what I'm seeing other people say. And that's why I think there are a lot of people on the conservative aspect of it that are like it's a hoax because they see it as basic economic subversion. Now, as far as climate change in and of itself, I don't know. I'm probably the last person to talk to about that because I like my cars to destroy the environment. Have you ever driven an electric car? Yeah. You drive a Tesla?

Yeah. Would you shake it like you're not impressed? I don't want to be impressed. You don't want to be impressed? No. What do you mean? Because I'm like, I'm- You want to hear the rumble?

Yes, I'm Sensorio. I love it. I understand love it now here's the thing the tesla truck is kind of calling me it's calling me kind of yeah i'm still uh i mean my favorite my favorite suv or truck i call it a truck is is a g wagon so and then that is probably the biggest pollutant on the planet with respect to SUVs. They're pretty dope. I love them. Yeah. Absolutely love them.

They're so heavy, too. They are, man. I love them. Yeah, they're dope. The door, you have to ka-chunk. Yeah, you have to. It's like a bank vault. Yeah.

And see, that's old. I kind of like that old. Same thing with the Defender. I get it. Like, I love it. Well, Defender's the opposite. It's aluminum. Yeah.

We shut the door on one of those bitches. Yeah, that is true. That is actually true. They're made out of fucking beer cans. Yeah, but so is the suspension. But they look dope. Yeah, that is true. That is actually true. They're made out of fucking beer cans. Yeah, but there's so it's a suspension But they look dope. Yeah, the thing is they look dope. Whereas the Mercedes the g-wagon is actually dope It's a difference explain. It's a different animal the Mercedes G wagon Yeah, that motherfucker first of all super modern like especially the new one independent front suspension Yeah, it handles really well, by the way

None of these fucking suburban housewives are ever taking those goddamn things off-roading, so I don't even know why it ever had two live axles, right? It's like most of what it is is like moms are picking up their kids in these fucking things, rich people. But here's the funny thing about that,

because I had a 63. I had a 2013 63. And all the time, people were like, oh my God, that's my dream car, that's my dream. And then they'd ride in it. I'm like, oh my God, that's my dream car. That's my dream. And then they ride in it. I'm like, oh.

It's bumpy. It's terrible. But the new ones aren't. Yeah, no, the new ones aren't amazing. The new ones handle insane. And they're so fast for what it is. Yeah. No, I get it, dude.

It's dope. But going back to the- Tesla, to me, is the future. When I drive one of those things, and here's the thing, too. When COVID, the lockdown happened in Los Angeles, all of a sudden our air quality was fucking amazing. You could see the mountains. It was crazy.

And I was like, oh, my God, what are we doing to ourselves? What are we doing to ourselves? I agree. If everybody had electric cars, that would be the case all day long, every day. Yeah, but then some people make the argument that what you need, like the batteries and so forth and so on, cause as much destruction as. That's a good argument. It's also conflict minerals.

Getting these from these poor countries where they're taking them out of Afghanistan. I don't know, man. I have a hard time having this conversation because I'm so biased and I'm being selfish. Listen, you go out in my garage, you've seen the shit I have, man. I've got a lot of muscle cars, man. I love those things. But I also love my Tesla and I drive it all've seen the shit I have, man. I've got a lot of muscle cars, man. I love those things. But I also love my Tesla, and I drive it all the time. I love it, man.

I love that it's silent. I love that it's stupid fast. I love that it feels like it's from the future. It makes other cars feel dumb, man. It does. It's just so advanced. Yeah. No, and you're right.

And the funny thing is, all the reasons why I love the new G-Wagon are the same reasons that you love the Tesla. Yes. It's notwithstanding the electric engine. So for me, it's just me not wanting to. I romanticize the idea of car ownership so much and driving and the feel and all of that stuff. You do lose that with some of the electric cars. So that's why I'm kind of hard pressedpressed to kind of completely jump on the electric car bandwagon.

Here's a crazy thing. Did we look this up? I think we did. Because it was something that Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear, that when the exhaust that comes out of a 911 Turbo is actually cleaner than the air in a polluted area. I think I remember him saying that i think i remember him saying that you drive in downtown la in a 911 turbo you're actually the exhaust is actually cleaner than the air that's getting sucked into the engine so it is possible to make a low emissions combustion

vehicle they got the the tycon from porsche well that's electric. Yeah, it is. But I mean, there was because in Dallas they did the reveal and I was there. That thing's dope. Oh man, I'm not going to lie. I was like, okay, so now this is where we get the marriage between the practical efficiency of electric cars and then the sensorial effect of having the

old world cars. Now it's starting to get that marriage and that balance right. You know what makes noise? Like it accelerates like you can press a button and make jetsons noises so like as you hit the gas like i can't get down with that you can't get down with it i'd rather you mimic the sound of like an old muscle car yeah i can't get down with that yeah i hate when like m3s were doing that or They were piping in fake exhaust music. That's what they did in my M6. Fuck off.

You know what? You're right. Shut that shit off. Yeah, it was kind of weird. Yeah, well, that's the problem with turbos. They sound whack. Yeah, but you can get so much power out of them. Yes, but the AMGs are also turbos.

Yeah. Like AMG G-wagons are turbos. They sound fucking nasty. Yeah, they do. They figured out how to do it right with the exhaust. Porsche has not figured that out with their exhaust. No, they haven't. But man do they figured out how to do it right with the exhaust that porsche has not figured that out with their exhaust they haven't but man they figured out so many other things they figured out so much look if you drive one of their naturally aspirated engines you the the noise is so glorious yeah that you don't ever want to go back to

the gt3 yes all the gt cars i guess they're all those are generally there. GT3 RS? The GT3 RS and the GT3s, yeah. They make a beautiful sound, yeah. The GT2 RS sounds pretty fucking good, too. Porsche states that under normal driving conditions, this car exceeds 31 miles per gallon and does indeed only produce a maximum carbon output of 300 units. So in retrospect, Jeremy Clarkson's conclusion upon the heavily polluted cities is plausibly correct and therefore quite amazing. Holy crap.

Yeah. Because, you know, LA is dirty as fuck under normal conditions. Pretty amazing. Thank you, Jamie. Man. Who's better than Jamie? LA is so heartbreaking. Yeah.

It's heartbreaking. Well, how about now? And that's what I'm saying. Did you go down through Hollywood and see all the boarded windows and shit? Staying in Hollywood. Oh, dude. Yeah. Tell me what it's like for someone who hasn't been here since the.

What's that thing? Remember The Walking Dead? Yeah. Kind of close to that. Yeah. It's Hollywood. I mean, Hollywood's already dirty anyway. Right.

And then you add the board. Everything's boarded up. It's kind of like. Now it's starting to seem a little more lively. Things open back up a little bit. So it's not not as bad but it's bad enough to go like oh man this is bad well like there's a friend of mine uh who uh is buddies with this photographer and this photographer is like he whenever shit goes down he goes out and gets photographs and videos and he got this insane video of hollywood the very

night where everybody was smashing and burning everything it is it's so crazy really it's so crazy this video i mean i don't want to share it because it's his personal video but he's um he's walking down the street and he's panning and it's just people smashing windows and things are on fire and people are running out of stores with packages and and it's all happening on the street in front of the streets are covered with debris and dirt and and he's just he's just panning back and forth this camera I'm like oh my god like this is Hollywood this is where I drive to go tell jokes like what is happening it's man dude it's and it's it's it's such a beautiful city like you can see the beauty through the grime.

Yeah. And it's like, I don't know how it bounces back either. I don't know what percentage of the small businesses were already on the way out before the rioting and the looting because the COVID fucked up so many businesses. They were estimating that somewhere around 40% of small businesses were going to go under.

And then you light everything on fire and looting and all this crazy shit. And LA was hard to live in and expensive enough to live in as is. Well, the taxes are so crazy. The California state tax is like 13.5%. Texas? No.

Un gots. Yeah. Zero. Same as the amount of shooters that were in the NRA. Same. We get crushed with property tax. We get crushed with that too. You know you're right. Not on specifically your house, but yeah.

It's like, look, there's beautiful parts of LA. There's a lot of fun to this place. There's a lot of good things. There's a lot of good people. There's a lot of good people. There's a lot of good people because there's a lot of people. But it's one of the problems with it is there's too many folks. I think when you get to a size that's sort of unmanageable, whether it is, you know, New York City or Los Angeles, whenever things go sideways, they go really, really sideways.

And fast. Yeah. Do you see how fast it went from zero to 100 with COVID? Yeah. And not only that, and that was a point that I made too with respect to firearm ownership. People don't understand how fast society can collapse. Yes. Even if only temporarily.

Right. It happens overnight. Yeah. That video came out just like that. Mm-hmm. Police station on fire. Yeah. And the whole city was burning.

Yeah. And then, but people tell me that I'm ridiculous for wanting to own a firearm. Yeah, they're ridiculous. And they look ridiculous now, you know. I mean, again, I'm saying again, this is one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on right after it hit. Yeah. When I contacted you, I was like, this is the time to really talk about this stuff because this is where people are more open to this idea. We live in a messy world, and I know that there's a lot of good people that don't want guns.

I had a conversation with this comedian friend of mine when one of the mass shootings happened, and he was like, we just got to take away all the guns. I was like, okay. I don't know what to say because you're so off base. I don't even know what to do with this conversation. I know. And that's the problem. So many people don't have the conversation emotionally, and therefore they start spouting out what essentially is juvenile solutions. Same guy, years later, trying to buy a gun.

Stop it. Of course. Worried, scared, trying to buy a gun. What do I do? Trying to buy a gun. I want to buy a gun. In confrontable reality. What do to buy a gun. What do I do? Trying to buy a gun. I want to buy a gun. In front of a reality. What do I do?

What do I do? I don't know, man. I don't know what to tell you. But here's the messed up part about it, too. Take California, for instance. You brought it up earlier in the conversation. Now you have all these people who are panicking, wanting to buy a gun because they feel they need one soon and fast. They can't get it because you have what?

Ten-day waiting period in California. Right. And these are laws that they voted for. Right. So they're't get it because you have what? 10 day waiting period in California. And these are laws that they voted for. Right, so they're just waiting, nine, eight, seven, every day, checking, looking out the window. And we saw an entire city go from perfectly functional to on fire in a night. Yeah. That's another reason why the whole notion

of having waiting periods for me, I'm just like, nah, I can't get with it. It's so crazy how everything went sideways. Like, almost, like, I'm not a conspiracy theorist in the fact that I did. I don't think, like, I had a really dumb person try to explain to me that they think that George Floyd was murdered so that the riots could happen. I've heard that, too. Oh, my God, that's the dumbest argument of all time. Like, yeah, you got a fucking sociopath who's a known sociopath.

He just happened to have him arrest a guy that he's already had a personal beef with. It's a dumb conversation. But if it wasn't, God damn, it's like, it's perfect. It's the perfect storm. You have this polemic sort of polarizing president, right? And then you have this disease that comes from another country and he's calling it the Chinese virus. And you know, we're already in trade war talks with China. So you go, wow,

imagine if China like released this virus, there's all these crazy, if you're one of those people, there's all these crazy conspiracies you can come up with. Then the George Floyd murder, which is months into this horrible lockdown where everybody's losing their fucking money. And angry, man. I was watching people driving. They were driving so aggressive.

I could feel it. The tension. Because when people start losing money and there's no way to get it back. Losing their businesses through no fault of their own. And then on top of that, you see a video of a guy getting murdered by a cop, and it's a slow torture murder, and it's horrific, and then the fucking city explodes. And then what's unprecedented is that the whole world responds. When has the whole world responded the way-

I know, it's creepy, man. It's crazy. Good Lord. And now here we are. Here we are, two gun enthusiasts with gun shirts on. Oh, they're going to hate you for that one. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, if you hate me for this now, like, come on, man.

I've been a hunter for eight years, and I've had guns for more than 20. I don't want anybody to die. I don't want anybody to get hurt. I don't want anybody to cry. I don't want anybody to die i don't want anybody to get hurt i don't want anybody to cry i don't want anybody to feel bad i don't i'm a sensitive person is is where it sounds however i'm a realist yeah i understand humans and i understand that we are a strange animal very and uh we we live in this bizarre state of civilization that has a thin veneer, a thin veneer that protects us from all of our survival instincts and chaos and all of our tribal instincts and our brutality that we have just under the surface. And I'm very aware of that. I'm very aware of the propensity that

human beings have for violence. And that's why I'm a gun advocate. And that's why I support people like you. And that's why I want to have these kind of conversations because I don't I don't think there's enough people looking at it realistically. And I think there's more now. And I think having a conversation with someone who's so well reasoned about this is very important right now. Yeah. It's it's I don't know why or how it came about but it's just something I've become really incredibly passionate about when did you first shoot a gun like what was the first time how old were

you think it was like 24 23 so you were fairly old oh yeah no I was not pro gun I was not probably what kicked it off so what what made you go to a range? My best friend asked me to go. Yeah, he randomly was like, hey, you want to go shoot? And I was like, and I was scared. I was more scared than I was anti-gun. Were you in law school at the time? Yes.

Wait, hold on. Oh, man, stuff starts getting so blurry. I was either in the process of going to law school or was already in law school. I can't remember exactly. Okay. in the process of going to law school or was already in law school. I can't remember exactly. But after that first shot, second shot, actually, let me not lie.

The first shot I was terrified. Second shot I was like, oh, yeah, I like this. People hate hearing that. Oh, yeah, no, no, no. But it's no different for me. Dude, the last time I was here, I was in here, meaning California. I was in San Francisco, to be specific. I was filming for my show.

After we finished filming, I decided to stay over for several days as kind of like a getaway. I rented a Porsche 911 GT3 on Turo. Found the most. What's Turo? Turo is like Airbnb for cars. Oh, so you rented somebody else's car? Yeah. They should pay me a lot of money for this right now. So basically, yeah, you can take whatever cars you have. I've heard of this. Yeah. So I found the most remote diner in San Francisco I could possibly find for my hotel. I rented this 911 GT3 and I drove about an hour and 30 minutes

to this diner, had some eggs, had some oatmeal, ate, got back in the car, drove back down the mountain, went back to my hotel. And then the next day I plotted out another course and I did the same shit. I drove down to one-on-one and just drove. And it was most exhilarating, awesome shit I've ever done in my life why can i have that type of reaction to doing that but not to shooting a firearm it's the same thing well i think you should i don't have a problem with it at all um the people that do have a problem with it it is this emotional in my opinion narrow-minded perspective i think it's opinion, narrow-minded perspective. I think it's narrow-minded in that... Well, okay, I think in one way it's not narrow-minded.

In one way, if you would want to look at it with the best perspective possible, you would hope that we have evolved to the point where we no longer need guns. No one needs guns, All across the land. Everywhere in the world. And that might and strength are no longer factors in the way people interact with each other. People will no longer threaten people's lives or break down their doors or rape people or murder people or steal from them.

I would love that. I would love that. Look, I think if the three of us lived in a world, it was just you, me, and Jamie, we wouldn't need guns to protect ourselves. You're a nice guy. Jamie's great. I'm a nice guy. We wouldn't have any problems.

I don't know. Jamie wears his hat back. He's fine. He's fine. Trust me. But you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's the problem. The problem is the unknown.

People that you don't love. People that you don't know anything about them. And then people that look at you like an opportunity or like a victim rather than like a brother or sister that's the problem with people and that problem largely comes from a bunch of different factors and one of those factors is overpopulation one of those factors is we don't need each other you know necessarily as much and that you look at people that have more than you have and you look at them as somehow or another they've gotten that through some nefarious way. That's another perspective thing I've noticed too.

It's a mentality that it's way more pervasive than it needs to be. Right. The way that people look at success. I was raised with my mom. And I should be a fucking failure to be honest with you. I am like the epitome of having a background where I should be nothing my mom was like

look if them why not you and not meaning any specific race or any specific type of people but just anything if you want something and you see someone that has something that you want work and figure out a way so that you can get it.

That should be a motivation, not something that I look down on and say, well, why do they get to have that? That's not fair. I should have that. I think there's too much of that thought process and mentality in this country. It's a mind disease. Yeah. And I think it's scary. It's scary because then what it does is it vilifies success.

And so now instead of success being something that people aspire to, it's now become something that people attack. Yes. And I think that's incredibly dangerous. Incredibly dangerous. Yeah, I agree. And it's a very weak-minded perspective, too. There's one kind, I mean, there's different kinds of success, too, right?

There's the success of someone who built a business versus success of someone who's doing some shady shit with which is true with loans and you know and and fucking over people with you know subprime mortgages and that there's there's different things that make you successful you know there's the wolf of wall street money that you get from ripping people off but i think that goes without being said though. Yes. That's pretty blatant. But it's also like the gun problem man. People are messy. Yeah.

You know? If everybody was like you, no one would have a problem with guns. It's a messy problem that comes with just human beings because we're just weird. People are weird. No, you're right. Here's a funny thing though. I have this kind of utopic vision of this mass education on firearms.

And the reason I have it, and I know it's a little naive to a degree, but I do believe the gun changed the way I looked at the world. And I think the gun, like a lot of, you know. How did it change the way you look at the world? It taught me, even though my mom really kind of beat it into my head, the gun almost served as like a physical symbol of self-reliance. Not that I don't need anyone, but to trust in my own ability to find a way to deal with any problems that I have. Sometimes that ability means go to somebody who's better at it than you that can help you do something. To learn. Exactly. times that ability means go to somebody who's better at it than you that can help you do something to learn exactly or it means find the strength within yourself to overcome an issue that you're dealing with the gun showed me and not only taught me that it taught me responsibility

because now we are talking however i want to disneyfy it as far as the um the the sporting enthusiast aspect of it, it's still something. It's life and death. That is a tool of life and death that can be used to take a life and can be used to save one. So because of that, that was a big responsibility, especially when I'm carrying that very thing on me everywhere I go. So it had me really appreciate life more. I started to value life a lot more. Most people think you get a gun and all of a sudden you just want to take life.

No. Like, I tell people this all the time. The day I have to use a gun to defend myself, I'm going to need therapy. Flat out. I'm going to need therapy because it's made me value life. Not that I didn't value life before, but it's something that brings it to the forefront of your consciousness. When you have a gun and you understand what that gun can be used to do. And so that happens to way more people than people realize.

Most people think that people get a gun and they just become reckless murderers who want to kill everybody. When in reality, there are a number of stories of people out there who, I know a guy who the firearm helped him get out of his depression. I know. I know. I know. It sounds crazy. It sounds crazy.

But he'll tell you the speech about it. And he's very, he should be, I mean, he grew up in the streets of St. Louis, and he didn't have a good life. He was young and he was depressed. But when he got into firearms, that allowed him to deal with his depression because he found something he was depressed but when he got into firearms that allowed him to deal with his depression because it found something He was passionate about isn't that that is crazy But that's something that does actually work when you find something you really love and pursue it and you get some like

That's one of the problems. I have with the term depression like boy. That's a blanket that you throw over so many different Factors yeah, like what it's almost like the term drugs. Like if you say, are you on drugs? Yeah, I drank a cup of coffee. I'm on drugs. I mean, really? Or are you on heroin? They're both drugs.

It's weird. But depression is in many ways like that in that there are people, and I know these people, that have a real problem with their brain and the way their brain produces chemicals. Same way some people have problems with their liver. Some people have, they're born with ineffective lungs. These are all just parts of being a person. And some people have like legitimate issues that I think they need medication for. And then there's other people that, they just don't feel good.

And they call it depression because their life sucks and their job sucks and no one wants to have sex with them. And they don't have any money. So they're and they say i'm suffering from depression and so what do you do with that well some of those people get on medication and i don't know if that's really the answer because there's a lot of those people that i know that have discovered jujitsu or discovered other things that they yoga even physical things often because they release endorphins and because they're actually healthy for you but also you get Passionate about something and you see this improvement and when you were talking about that with guns I was trying to describe to someone why I like shooting guns

And I said one of the reasons why I like is because I'm not very good at it Yeah, you know I like learning things. I like learning all kinds of things When I started I had a YouTube channel when I started my YouTube channel I would go like I started with a thing called IDPA Diaries which is like a shooting competition. Oh it's bad. But you did it openly. Yes. Which is great so people can see oh this guy isn't just because I see you now it's like if I didn't know anything about guns like this guy is so good like this is crazy. And see that's what i wanted when i started doing it i wanted people because i was like i'm a city boy i didn't grow up with guns so when i started putting my when i started my channel i was like okay i know there are a lot of people who are

like me right and so i want them to be able to feel to be able to relate to the idea of okay i'm starting afresh and i'm not that good so the YouTube channel was almost a way to chronolize my growth. And if you start from video one and you go to my last video, you can literally watch the entire progression. And that's what I wanted it to be. So I knew and I was it was hard because I knew I was going to look bad. Yeah, real bad. And I started with video one for IDP Diaries and then as time went on I stopped doing the diaries but I was still shooting in front of the camera and even to this day I'm known for not editing out my misses hmm good you're still gonna see me miss and there are some people and it's hard am I gonna lie to you it's hard because I do so much shooting now there's an expectation that

I should be good so when I go out and do a gun review and I'm missing with a particular gun and then I see comments, man, you couldn't hit shit with that gun. It does hit my ego a little bit. Don't read the comments.

I know, right? That's the key. Yeah. I mean, you're on the right path. You have great content. Just don't read the comments. Yeah.

Do your best. Don't read the comments. I think, and I've started doing it actually. I've cut it by 50%. So important, man. So important for mental health. Yeah, it really is. It really is because you don't read the comments I think I know and I've started doing it actually I've cut it I've cut it by 50% so important for mental health yeah it really is it really is because you don't realize how much of an effect it's having until it starts having an effect yeah and then you're like why am I am I such in a

shitty mood all the time it's just a terrible way to communicate with people you know through through little text messages on comments you don't even know them you know anything about them and they're saying mean shit to you dude let me tell you something the audacity of anonymity is insane it is it's a great way to put it it's a great way to put it the audacity of anonymity yeah yeah anonymous people can get away with a lot a lot it's also it's like a shitty way to communicate with people personally it's bad for you to shit on people through like anonymous little comments on someone's Instagram page or their YouTube channel. It's just, it's shitty.

It's shitty for you. It's bad for you. And like I said before, I grew up, my friends are assholes. So I know how to give it back. But if I do it now, I'm a bully. Right. That's the problem. If you give it back and then people will find you as a target and then

they start coming after you yeah you can't do that you can't do that yeah it's um you're better off just ignoring it yeah just keep moving do your best keep moving that's that's that's the plan now yeah that's the plan because i mean it's so the platform's so big now to try to let all that in like i'm gonna lose like it's gonna affect me emotionally how many instagram followers you have right now six hundred and twenty four thousand imagine that in a room imagine a room with six imagine like the amount of like how many like a giant football arena is like what jamie you would know this What's like a big ass football arena? 115. Okay. Imagine six of them bitches.

And that's just Instagram. Fuck you. You fucking missed. All of them. You fucking loser. You can't hit shit with that gun. Imagine all that number. That's too many people. That's unmanageable. Here's how bad it is. How bad it was. I was reading Instagram comments.

The YouTube comments where I have 1.4 million youtube comments where i have 1.4 million facebook where i have 1.3 million dude 108 000 on on twitter so i was going back and forth reading all of that oh my god and then and i was just i hit a point when i was like dude this is not healthy so facebook that's the entire city of austin You have the entire city of Austin going, fuck you. Fuck you. You can't do that, man. It's not. You can't do that.

No one can manage that. No, they can't. Yeah. It's just too many people. It's too much opportunity for people to suck. Which is true. Yeah. Which is true.

Face to face is the best way to talk to people. Always. If I'm going to be honest, though, I think some of it is my ego. Where I think I can handle it. It's like this false sense of stability that my ego has. It's like, I can handle it. I can handle it. But the war of attrition is real.

It's still energy that's coming at you. Whether you like it or not, it's still energy. It is. And if it's negative, it's going to feel bad. Yep. It might not feel as bad as it will for someone who's mentally unstable and i've seen some comedians who just get really crushed by comments and it's horrible yeah man like they come on the show and then they read i go don't read the comments donnell rollings when he was on with the rizza from wu-tang i said after the well donnell

is just he's a wild motherfucker and he's funny as shit and he's always loud and he's just crazy Donnell's crazy but he was talking over the RZA a bunch of times and people I know they were gonna get mad and he I love Donnell so when when he was doing it I was just laughing my ass off I thought it was awesome that was a great podcast and then at the end I said don't read the comments. I hugged him like, oh, that was great, man. Don't read the comments. He's like, you fucking told me. You told me not to read the comments. It's hard, dude. Sometimes it's really hard. You know what it is sometimes? It's your own

fault. Because what you go to do is to get your ego stroked. That's really what you're doing. You're really going on there hoping everyone's like, man, he was awesome. I loved him. I'm a pro-Second Amendment guy now. And then you get up there and you're like, you suck. And you're like, oh, shit. And you're like, all right, okay. I'm too polarizing to read the comments because people either love me or they fucking hate me.

Which is true. I've learned that. It's weird. So I just go, okay, I'm just going to keep doing what I do. Something's going right, I think. I don't know, man. Just a little bit. I mean, I think you could step it up a little bit.

You know, just turn it up a little bit. I'm trying to do my best. I really am. I mean, I'm not a fan of me. Yeah. You know, I don't like what I do. I think I could always do better. You know, it's funny.

A lot of people don't realize that people who put themselves out like you know in front of kind of like you and i so for so like even though we may kind of get affected by your comments they're never anywhere close as to as being as bad as what we tell ourselves in our heads oh for sure we are i have the worst self-talk on the planet yeah like it's bad it's toxic i do too yeah but i think that's also what drives you yeah. Like it's bad. It's toxic. I do too. Yeah. But I think that's also what drives you. Yeah.

You know, it's just like, I have a good self love too. Like I'm, I'm not as much as I'm more because I have a problem in that. I'm a little, I don't want to say I'm too driven, but I'm,

I'm, I get very focused on things and especially things that I'm trying to get good at. And things that I take seriously, whether it's stand-up or whether it's doing this podcast or other things that I do, UFC commentary. And so if I fall short, I'm very hard on myself. Yeah. So that if I read other people that also are mad at me for falling short and it piles on, It's like, listen, man, I'm right there with you. You know, you're not going to get an argument from me whether or not I suck. Like, I'm right there with you.

I'm right there with you. I'm pretty terrible. Everything I've ever done wrong, I'm fucking furious at myself for. Yep, I'm the same way. Yeah. I'm the same way. And it's like, nothing's ever enough.

No. Nothing's, I mean, I can have any type, and this can't be healthy But any type of thing I succeed at or anything that I do that is a milestone that people are like, oh, this is awesome It lasts maybe ten seconds and I'm like, all right, you need to do better Yes, but that's also why you're really good at things and this is another thing that you see from people that are mediocre and if it infuriates me Where they come up with excuses for why they fall short.

They come up for excuses for why they didn't succeed in their chosen profession. They come up with excuses for why other people do well, but they've been ostracized or they've been cast out or they never were accepted or they were treated like a second class citizen. No, you're mediocre. You're mediocre and you're not critical on yourself. And I don't, you know, I don't wish that on anybody. That's the truth. I mean, it is what it is. And the thing is, you have to get past, I call it the ego wall.

You have to get past the ego wall because there's just some shit you're just not good at. Right. And so it's either one of two things. You either pivot, find something you're good at and go that direction. Or if you're willing to put in the effort, figure out how to get better at what you're not good at right and then and then apply those things now it's gonna be hard it's gonna suck you still may not even get to the same level or degree as somebody else who's naturally talented in that in that sense but what's the alternative you bitch about it and like you said complain complain complain when i see people particularly this happens when you see

people come who are not very good commenting on people who are successful. They start saying, this is one of the reasons why I could never make it. Because the people that made, they're sellouts or they're this or they're that. And like, okay. You know who doesn't leave comments like that? Winners. This is so true. That's the fact.

It's very true. That's the fact. Dave Chappelle's not going on fucking Twitter talking shit about people. This is, that's the fact it's very true that's the fact dave chapelle's not going on fucking twitter talking shit about people this is that's the facts it's the people who are really successful are the ones who are analyzing themselves looking at their own work and keep moving it doesn't mean you don't fail it doesn't mean you don't fuck up doesn't mean you don't make mistakes and the thing the difference though is you do it publicly yeah you mess up publicly oh yeah and That's a lot to take in. Even when I went on

Bill Maher and I was on a round table, I didn't think I did a good job. I don't. It's fucking almost impossible to do a good job on that goddamn round table. It was probably my worst showings. Now, for reasons that I think I went into it thinking I could. I went

into it like a lawyer. I thought I can go on, reason, and then be understand. I was outclassed because they had a great command of using emotion. And clapping. Well, there's that, yeah. They're teachers. Yay!

You got one on the board for us. Yeah. I don't think it's a good way to communicate. And I said it with One on the board for us. Yeah. I don't think it's a good way to communicate. And I said it with Bill on the show, and he was trying to talk me into doing the show, and I think I agreed to it, but then I found ways to get out of it. This is why, man, talking one-on-one is hard enough. Like, you have a thought, sometimes you're expanding, and I have a thought, and I'm holding on to it, but then you keep talking,

and I don't know when to get it in there. I lose it. Now, when there's three other fucking people and they're all trying to get sound bites they're hoping are going to be on YouTube. It's all performative. It is a lot of it. A lot of it is performative. And then on top of it, it really is performative because there's a fucking audience there.

Yeah, you're right. And they're all liberal. And they're all clapping and cheering. And they're all, which they should be. They're his fans. There's nothing wrong with that. There were a couple times I wanted to be like, I'd make a point and I'm like, really? You're not going to clap?

It's a bad way to communicate in front of people like that. It's one thing to perform if you're doing standup or singing a song or something like that in front of a large crowd. That's one thing. Yeah. But like having conversations in front of crowds,'s like a weird animal man weird added element And you're you're you're appealing to others to chime in and reinforce your thoughts. Yeah, no, you know you're absolutely right now I will forever ever ever be grateful that he gave me the opportunity to go into that lines then Because it's a place that I think a lot of pro-gun people haven't been able to get go to

Hopefully I communicated in a manner that resonated with a lot of people in the same way here. I'd be lying if I said I did not value the ability to have for the time being within this two hour three hour space to have access to your

audience. At the same time because I don't understand why. I mean, I understand why, but I'm just passionate about this in a way that sometimes even I have a hard time articulating. And so when I see all of these new people, because I know your audience is very vast. I have a base. There's a base in my audience, right? It's gun people, and a lot of them very conservative. And with your audience, it gives me the ability to speak to a wider gap of people who would otherwise never even look in my direction because of what I talk about. And so there aren't that many platforms that are available right now that are willing to open their doors to the opposite perspective.

Because you got to, you may, and you're a smart guy, you know this. This puts you in a very peculiar situation. You can end up looking really bad because you're literally confronting and testing out all of your ideas in front of your audience

that thinks you know everything. Right? And so many people aren't willing to do that because they're worried about looking bad, which is why I give mad props to Bill Maher as well. Because there aren't that many platforms. Most people just want to sit in their echo chambers, yell at their audience and say, all right. Right? Yeah. So I can't – I'm hard-pressed to think about any other type of platforms that may have a different perspective that would let me come on like this.

And that's just me being honest. Well, I think it's important to talk to people that have all sorts of different ideas. You know, the thing there's the thing going on today where people talk about giving someone a platform. You shouldn't be giving them access to your platform. I'm like, well, what the fuck is the purpose of a platform if it's not to test out ideas? If you want to talk to someone, I mean, I'm not talking about someone who's in the KKK. But talking to people that have controversial viewpoints, one of the best ways to sort those viewpoints out is to challenge them. And one of the best ways to sort those viewpoints out is to challenge them. And in fact, there's a lot of people that would support a lot of, there's people that I've had on where I've confronted them on their ideas and they lost a lot of fans because of it.

Because of it, yeah. Because these ideas now fall apart under scrutiny. Scrutiny, yeah. Under someone who could talk to you for long periods of time and just start go okay well why do you think that yeah and then they say this and that and then you go but where's that coming from yeah and then they see this and then as you get deeper and deeper you get to the basement and you go oh this ain't shit there's nothing in here it's kind of i mean but i think the problem too is is that people don't understand you can't know everything right so for instance we started

talking halfway through we started talking about climate change. Right. My knowledge of climate change is very limited. Very limited. You're going to hit a point, I'm like, dude, I don't know. Yeah, well, mine's pretty limited too. Yeah. But I think the problem is some people have this expectation where they tell themselves,

well, I have to know this because people expect me to know this. And if I say that I don't know, then I'm going to lose. And look, I made, I don't know, maybe there's some diehard climate. You know, somebody can make an argument that says, okay, well, yeah, that's because most people don't follow you for climate change. Right. Sure. The climate change argument to me is one of the things that's really fascinating about it is I think, and I mean this in a very, this is a hard way to grasp this, but this is the way I'm going to try to parse this out.

I think it's a control issue. And I don't think it's a control issue in meaning that people are trying to control people and that people are trying to gain control of one very small factor in our mortality. And I think it's good to do that. I think it's good to make the world cleaner. And I think it's good to use clean energy. And I think it's good to do that. I think it's good to make the world cleaner. And I think it's good to use clean energy. And I think it's good to use solar. I think all these things are good, but I think we're fucked anyway.

I think we're fucked anywhere from, because of solar flares and volcanoes and earthquakes and tsunamis and asteroids and pandemics. I think we're fucked anyway. And I think if you look at the history of the world, there's been radical changes before we ever came about. Whether it's asteroid impacts or massive fucking ice ages or all kinds of crazy shit that's killed off people

from the beginning of fucking people. There's been a lot of them. And if you think that switching totally to solar is going to stop all that other shit from happening, you got another thing coming. It doesn't mean that solar is not good. It doesn't mean that cleaning the air is not good. I think these are very important factors. But the idea that it's going to save us.

But that's why I say I think, based on my limited knowledge, with respect to the Green New Deal and things of that nature, I think some of it, if not more of it, seems to me economically subversive. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that. I've heard a lot of criticisms about the Green New Deal. Most of them were from Republicans. I haven't heard any criticisms. I would like to hear criticisms from Democrats that don't support it. But I think the idea behind green energy is great.

I do too. It'd be wonderful. Even though I hate electric cars. Less pollution. You know, what's really crazy is the best energy is really fucking nuclear. It has the least amount of impact. They did it pretty

sucky back in the Fukushima days. They didn't know what they were doing. I mean, the energy that they have now when it comes to nuclear is really fucking good. I mean, look what we do with our fucking massive city ships. I can't believe I we do with our fucking massive city ships. I can't believe I forgot the name of what they're called.

Our big warships. Our aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers, yeah. I mean, look at the submarines as well. I mean, that's insane. Yeah, they're nuclear. Yeah. Like I said, this is out of my wheelhouse.

I got a business partner. He's the electrical engineer. He may be able to talk to you about that crap. But I don't know about it either. When they say nuclear submarine, that goes in one ear and from flying up the other, my stupid chimp brain. I don't know what that means. I only know about them in the past. I watch it like I tend to like drink and then watch like documentaries on Netflix about World War II and stuff like that.

Yeah. I oddly watch a lot of Hitler documentaries because the manner in which the people – Bought into his shit. It's so fascinating to me in a very scary way. It's scary the strong leader, the amount of power a strong leader has over whether it's Kim Jong-un or any – that's the thing I keep saying to people when they don't think that all that shit can happen here. Yeah, man. I'm like, listen, they're human beings in 2020. And human beings in 2020 are under the control of a military dictatorship.

That's happening right now. And it's happening in more than one country. It's a style of civilization that exists and has existed since the beginning of time. I don't want it to happen here. People don't understand our way of living is still a baby. Yep. It's still a baby compared to the other structures that are out there in the world. Yeah.

It's an experiment. It's experiment and self-government. And a lot of people are like, this experiment should be canceled. Let's get rid of it. Start from scratch. And do the same shit that didn't work before. I don't know, man. I mean, I don't think we could start a new country.

You know, I mean, I know this trying to, Chaz is supposed to be a new country, but bitch, you didn't even build any of those buildings. You're basically doing the exact same thing that we did to the Native Americans. It didn't even take a week. They built borders. They had people with guns. And they beat people up for not complying. They had bad cops. They had, they beat this dude up beat people up for not complying. They had bad cops.

They beat this dude up for taking pictures. Like, come on, man. You would be so pissed if the cops did that. Oh my god. It's human, man. It's a human issue. Humans have control over humans. I've told this story. Forgive me if you've heard it before. I used to work as a security guard

for a short period of time when I was 19 years old. I worked at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts it's this Mansfield, Massachusetts amphitheater that all these concerts would play at, I saw Jon Bon Jovi there, or Bon Jovi the band I saw Bill Cosby perform there I saw a lot, when I was working there

I saw a lot of shit and I developed in a very short period of time most of the guys that I, I got the job because one of the guys that I trained with at my Taekwondo school was a security guard. He said, hey, you want this job? It pays really good. It's really easy. You get to see concerts.

Yeah. And I was like, okay. So he hired – they hired like a bunch of black belts to be security. So it was – yeah, it was like a bunch of us that were – Like black belts in – Martial arts. Okay. Yeah.

Like mixed martial arts? No, it was Taekwondo back then. Okay, gotcha. This was like. Before the. This was 1986. I was 19, so it was 86. Yeah, it was like just a bunch of karate people.

Yeah. Right? So we're out there and we almost instantly developed this us versus them mentality. Almost instantly. We would yell at people when they were doing things wrong. We'd treat them like shit and I recognized it.

I was like, wow, this is weird. Like instantly I'll become like, I've developed this attitude that these people, because they didn't want to listen and they kept doing things they're not supposed to do and you're supposed to enforce it

and you get mad and you do have some power because you have the security jacket on. It's so stupid. You have a walkie talkie the first day i was there this kid stole a um a golf cart first day and this guy who was the head security guy his name was alley cat tackled this dude and beat the shit out of him with a walkie talkie he beat this guy in the head with a walkie talkie my first day on the job i was like oh okay so that's how we're doing it like this is great and again

i'm a fucking child i'm 19 years old i'm a moron i don't know anything and but i i was smart enough to recognize like this is weird like this this attitude that we have all developed as a security team this us versus them now magnify that times a fucking hundred million and you get cops bingo yeah wasn't there a social experiment done like this famous social experiment with you like stanford university yeah yeah gotcha gotcha yeah yeah they immediately started abusing the inmates treating them like shit and it's funny because it's like so like i watch a lot of uh temple and you know he calls he calls it calls it larping when yes yeah i love Tim's great. Yeah, I love Tim. I love Tim.

This is funny because it's like how quickly, how quickly they relegated themselves to doing the exact same shit that they were critiquing and criticizing. Yes, 100%. They're pretending to be progressive and they have borders. Yeah, like let everybody in, you fucks. But they wanted to control it. Well, how do you control things? You control things with borders. How do you reinforce your ideas?

Well, you have to beat people up. It's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy. It's like you're doing, it's almost like a Petri dish. You're doing experiments. This is a human lab and this lab is failing.

I think people think, people watch you do what you do. And especially when they don't realize you've been doing this for years. And they're like, he doesn't do shit but sit behind a microphone and talk. I'm like, all right, I want you to come on camera, find somebody who you even kind of sort of agree with, have a three-hour conversation with them, and then keep it engaging during the entire conversation. See how long you last. And then do that multiple times a day.

It's not that easy, but it's something you get better at. Yeah, I know. That's what's weird about it. But you got better at it through repetition. Yes. And funny, we kind of talked about this the last time I was here.

And the problem is, is that when you only watch the end result of your repetition and getting to where you are now, people oversimplify what it is that you do. And so what happens is they think they can do it better, even though they haven't engaged in the same level of repetition or thought process to really think it out so what I think is happening is you got all these kids with these grandiose ideas mmm right they go to these schools and teach these grandiose ideas from friends of Tom like this is why we can do it also right we can do it and then they're like yeah yeah give us the country we can do it a lot better than

they can oh really okay well you see the result of that you have seattle and things go shit like that and the funny thing is it's going to shit while still having the support structure of an entire city yeah it's not like they don't have the resources of the of the city to be provided for them it's basically a tumor basically yeah and so it's like... If I was the government, I'd be pumping guns into them. I'd be like, you guys need guns. You should get explosives.

You guys... Here's some... You want some C4? Here's some biological weapons. Here's some anthrax. If I was trying to collapse it. And the crazy thing is the founding fathers understood

that human nature, that there's always... If there's a vacuum of power, there's always going to be someone or something willing to fill it. Yes. And then left unchecked, it will become a black hole of power, which is why they tried to organize our country the way that they did by separating the powers to serve as check against other entities. People don't really appreciate the beauty of that because they think that they can go into things altruistically and think that, okay, no, I'll get the taste of power. I think you think money is intoxicating. Power is a whole nother thing. Like you pointed out, even on a minor level of being a security guard at a concert, it's

intoxicating. Now imagine being in charge of millions of people. you pointed out even on a minor level of being a security guard at a concert it's intoxicated yeah now imagine being in charge of millions of people right oh come on man or being a general that can lead people into war yeah you could just side to just fucking light up this city yeah that's nuts it's nuts and people i don't think people have a big enough appreciation for how intoxicating power really is. Exactly. And I think that's one of the reasons why you need a stringent evaluation process before you let someone be a police officer. Yeah.

Instead of just like trying to recruit people. Yeah. It should be something where you don't want to recruit people. You want to say, listen, man, this job ain't for you. You know, you got to jump through hoops and ladders to get this fucking job. You know you got you got to jump through hoops and ladders to get this fucking job I think the problem though is it's we kind of have to measure that against The problem is that means there's be less cops Yes, and we don't exactly have an over emphasis. We don't like we have too many cops now right so it's like

It's like how do we balance that right and then what do we do? But the places where they want to defund the cops where they're voting overwhelmingly in Minneapolis to defund the police department? I mean, I don't know what that means. Let them eat cake? Oh, man. Because it's like, what do you do when they're doing it to themselves? I don't know, but there's good people that live in Minneapolis. That's very true.

They're really doing that. Yeah. And you're right, because there's a lot of people that, like, in the gun debate or in the gun discussion discussion that, you know, when we talk about places like California and people are like, oh, it's not fair. The gun laws here suck. And a lot of people who like live in Texas or live in more freer states like will move. It's not that easy. No, it's not always that easy. So you're right. So I take that back because you're right. There are a lot of people in these places that don't really have a say and they can't just meet. They can't just leave. Well, especially now. Right. Because post post-covid most people are broke yeah there's a lot of people that didn't work at all for three whole months they went through all their savings you're right you're right try to move now

and then also where's the jobs where the are you going yeah yeah if you're stuck in minneapolis and they defund the cops you're like oh my oh, my God. You better buy some bullets. You better get some guns and get some bullets and get some friends who also have guns. And form a small militia. But you don't need that. The founding fathers had muskets. How much do you hate that argument? The founding fathers.

They wrote that back when they had muskets. But then we'll be so quick to invalidate the notion that, well, yeah, they also wrote it when they only had quill pens. It's true. You know? Yeah. And parchment. Yeah. To write on.

So where do we see this? They did it by candlelight. Bingo. Yeah. Right? Fucking dope. What do they know? They didn't have no internet.

It's amazing how really well thought out their system of government was. Seriously, though. If you consider the fact that we still use it in 2020. I think it's beautiful. It's not perfect. No. It's not perfect at all. Nothing with people involved is perfect.

It's nothing. Exactly. Nothing. And I said that. I used to say that when I was in law school and I talked about the law, the practice of law, and the idea that the... I was like, theoretically, the justice system is perfect. It's just executed by imperfect people.

Yes. The concepts are perfect. They're just, when you add the element of people who are imperfect, then that inherently is what creates the imperfection in the system. Right. And the system is designed to sort of mitigate the imperfections of people exactly and it's done a pretty fucking good job if you think about how goddamn old it is

yeah yeah now like i said there there you know people do fall through the cracks and then there are you know there are some things that are deteriorating as a result of it um and those things need to be addressed uh but by and large, people need to understand that. It's 244 years old or whatever the fuck it is. Like, God damn, it's old. It's really old. It's crazy. Crazy.

I mean, I guess it's young compared to other systems. Those fucking dummies. Think about how they're doing it. Look at what's going on in China. That's the oldest one we got. That's crazy, man. The government and all businesses are intertwined inexorably. You want to run a corporation?

Great. You work for the fucking government. Could you imagine? Could you imagine? And people are wondering why they don't want to let Huawei in. Like, I've had people explain that to me. Like, companies that have been accused of using third-party backdoors to steal data and espionage and all kinds of shit. That's why they won't let them sell their cell phones here.

That's a branch of the Chinese government. They're not really a corporation. It's free and independent like Apple. I don't even know how independent they are. They get to a certain size. That is true. I think someone probably comes knocking. Yeah, at some point.

Hey, y'all, we'd like access to that data. There is such a thing as being too big. Yeah. Well, especially when you're dealing with information, like with Google and Apple. You're collecting so much data, and the government would love to take a look at that stuff. We could save a lot of lives if we could just see what this man's browser history is oh the beautiful pretext to tyranny we can save lives that is that that is yeah man i can't get down with that i know i can't get down with it either but it's like what do we do what do we do to keep it from sliding into the abyss uh i mean

get a gun do to keep it from sliding into the abyss? I mean. Get a gun. I don't know, Joe. You're getting a little too extreme for me now, brother. That's an argument that you couldn't have made five months ago. But now people are like, hmm, maybe. It's bittersweet. It's very bittersweet. it's bittersweet it's very bittersweet

because I hate that it had to come to this for people to kind of start realizing it but I can't be too surprised I've been preaching it for how long now that this could possibly happen so it's kind of I shouldn't be too surprised but it's still kind of bittersweet

my only thing is right now is I just for all the new people I implore you go out I know times are hard My only thing is right now is I just I just for all the new people I implore you Go out. I know I know times are hard money's tight, but if you have the ability it bare minimum Get on YouTube and just gorge. There's so much information even though YouTube has done a good job of trying to like yeah Filters shit out you can still search you can still get there. You can just literally search what you're thinking.

They're definitely not promoting you. They're definitely not promoting me. No. This video will never hit the trending section of YouTube. Nope. You know what else didn't though? Elon Musk. Yeah.

But he's- Too controversial. Yeah. So they decide what trends and what doesn't trend. Yeah. I like Elon. I love him. He Too controversial. Yeah. So they decide what trends and what doesn't trend. Yeah. I like Elon. I love him. He's awesome.

Yeah. I still need- I think we should have a conversation where I can sit down with Elon and talk to him about these electric cars, though. What are you going to say to him? He makes awesome electric cars. Bro, can you make a non- electric car As awesome as the electric car No I know

I'm being facetious I think if you got a hold of one of them roadsters when they come out You'd be all in I don't doubt that I'm telling you I'm being willingly stubborn about this I know I'm right with you A lot of my friends are right with you too

A lot of my friends are like no no no I need an exhaust of my friends are like, no, no, no. I need an exhaust note. I need a rumble. I need to feel it. I get it. I get it. It's magical, man. There's something to it that's undeniable. It's also very American.

Yeah. A V8. Woo! That's American as fuck. When I drive my Corvette, my 65 Corvette, I feel like a goddamn bald eagle. You know? It's like, that's as american as it gets 65 corvette with side pipes you can't i can't beat it man no you can't beat it i mean it's also you can shoot and beat it but that's up there too that's another thing that people don't want to hear they don't want to hear that but it's there to hear that, but there's a thrill to shooting.

I mean, think about it. Like, I've taken some courses. Like, a course I take in New Mexico. We're shooting out to 600, sometimes 1,000 meters. That's crazy. Naughty. It's so far. But then you also talk about how beautiful it is.

People love long-range shooting. They get very addicted. I'm getting there there when you get to a thousand yards what's the amount of time between boom and dink man it's it's extremely noticeable but here's where we're really trippy i don't know the exact seconds because it all depends on you're talking about different bullet speeds we should tell people what dink means you're hitting a metal target maybe still target yeah so the crazy thing is when you're watching it through your optic, you see the impact. The vapor trail.

Yes, you see the vapor trail, and then you see the impact, but you don't hear anything. And then you see it, ding, and you're like, whoa. It takes time for it to come back to you. Yeah, because sound travels slower. Yeah, it's crazy. Because the bullet's literally traveling faster than the speed of sound. People don't realize that. And it's nutty, man.

And then you take that, you couple that with being in a beautiful environment. Oh, my gosh. You can't beat it, bro. Yeah, when I've shot at the range, I've really only shot rifles up to like 200 yards. And that, you hear boom, dink. Yeah. So there is a difference, though. It's not instantaneous. Yeah. So there is a difference though. It's not instantaneous.

Yeah. You still do. You still get the delay. Cause otherwise you wouldn't even hear the dink. You would just be drowned out by the boom. Exactly. Which is how, which is a lot of times is like,

that's how suppressors work. Right. Because people think suppressors make things super, super, super quiet. They really don't. cause all the suppressor doing is it's, it's mitigating the noise at the

muzzle. And people don't realize that when a bullet breaks the sound barrier, you get a crack. So when you shoot a gun, typically speaking, you're hearing two sounds at once. You're hearing the bullet leave the muzzle, and then you're hearing the crack of the bullet break the sound barrier because it's traveling that fast. So it's like a

cacao, but it sounds like it's happening at once auditorily. So when you put a cacao, but it sounds like it's happening at once auditorily. So when you put a suppressor on it, people are surprised because once it mitigates the noise at the muzzle, all you're hearing is the sound of the action if it's not a bolt action. And then you're hearing the bullet break the sound barrier.

And so it's kind of cool actually when you hear it. Now granted, you don't want to do that too much because it's still damaging to your ears. That's what a lot of people don't realize that. What about a suppressor with subsonic ammo? So that's the only one where it actually gets really damn quiet. But the problem is, unless you're shooting a bolt action, the sound of that bolt smacking back and forth is loud as hell, too.

But what about a pistol? Same thing. Smack, smack. Yeah, you get the sound of the slide racking back and forth. So unless you're shooting a bolt action, you want to get as quiet as possible, use a bolt action. A bolt action with subsonic rounds. The opposite of a suppressor is a muzzle brake. And I have a rifle with a muzzle brake, and it mitigates the kick a lot.

But it also— Ooh, it's so loud. People get mad. Yeah, because you're you're outside of the cone of the blast right and so everybody on the side of you is getting hit by that blast yeah man it's nuts man they're really loud but it makes shooting a gun so much more enjoyable yeah it's like 50 less recoil yeah yeah really feels like so it's like either one because suppressors do the same thing suppress Suppressors mitigate the recoil too.

So you can go suppressor or you can go. And I tell people all the time, the whole suppressor thing, I think that's a health issue. I think so too. I think it's a health issue. For your ears. Yeah. It's loud, man. People don't realize.

They have this ignorant idea that people are going to sneak up on people and shoot them and no one's going to hear anything. You mean the same way people do with knives? Yeah. Yeah. You can the same way people do with knives? Yeah. Yeah. You can buy them everywhere. But I mean, they think it's going to be like the movies. Yeah. It does not happen like that.

No. It's not. It's pretty loud. Like I told you, when I shoot suppressed, I still wear ear protection. Oh, yeah. People in my videos are like, why are you wearing ear protection? Because it's still loud. They hunt with suppressors and they do it out of courtesy for the other people.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, it really would be good for people if they had suppressors. Yeah. But it's a thing in California. I think they're totally illegal. Yeah. Oh, no, you can't suppress in California.

But I think it's also an ignorant thing. I think it's people that don't understand guns. Because you have people making policies based on movies. Right. Exactly. Movies. Well, in all due defense, this is where we actually make the movies.

They're very influenced by them here. They used to make the movies here. They're making less of them and less of them here because of taxes. California's eating itself. Yeah, it is now. I don't understand that. It's such a beautiful place. It is beautiful. Taxes. Yeah. They're eating. California's eating itself. Yeah, it is now. Like, I don't understand that. It's such a beautiful place.

It is beautiful. It'll be all right. It'll bounce back. Maybe as soon as I get the fuck out. I don't know. I don't know. But I think the suppressor thing is a really dumb argument. I don't.

But they're trying to do almost everything to limit the amount of options that someone who wants to have a gun has here. See, that's another thing that people don't talk about because people are talking about, oh, it's just a law to make it a little bit harder. Well, that shit aggregates. And at a certain point, what you start doing, you start pricing people out of the market. Right. And so if you start adding – because all these laws, they're not free. Like background checks aren't free. People don't realize that. Right. they're not free. Like background checks aren't free. People don't realize that.

They're not free. So you have all of these little fees and taxes and all this stuff. You and I are not going to have a problem paying for them. But you know who will? People who live in shitty environments and don't have a lot of money. That's who's going to have a problem buying guns for protection who arguably probably need them more. And people don't understand or think about that. Or people don't understand, oh, well, these are just reasonable laws.

There's nothing unreasonable. Yeah, but see, here's the problem. You stack them on top of each other. It just becomes more of a barrier to firearm ownership. A lot of times, a lot of these laws are designed to make it so hard and annoying to own a gun that you just don't want to do it. It's just too much. And people are like, why don't you like mandated training? Well, because I've already seen what they've done with other laws.

So all that's going to happen is they're going to start off with saying, okay, you need three hours of mandated training. Then it's going to be four. Then it's going to be seven. Then another shooting will happen, 20. Now, as somebody who's an entrepreneur who can generally speaking make their schedule, maybe they may be able to do that. Somebody working two jobs or five to nine,

there's no way they're going to be able to satisfy that. And people don't think about the real implications of that. And even then, even from an inner city perspective, people who are talking about policing, that we police the inner city perspective, right? People who are talking about policing, that we police the inner city too much. Well, where do you think they're going to go and enforce these laws? If we have more of them,

where do you think they're going to enforce them? They're not going to Malibu to enforce gun laws. They're enforcing them in South Central. Like, I mean, that's just is what it is. So people don't think about the actual real consequences of these laws. They're enforcing them in South Central. Like, I mean, that's just is what it is. So people don't think about the actual real consequences of these laws. They look at them and say, oh, well, it's not that bad. It's pretty reasonable. No. OK, what about the other 10, 11, 12 other laws on top of that that were considered just reasonable? I think so many people are just buying the party narrative, whatever the party narrative is, you know, whether just buying the party narrative whatever the party narrative is you know whether it's the party narrative that we don't need guns guns should be eliminated any guns are bad they

don't have like this nuanced very detailed perspective on what what gun ownership actually is and the reason they don't is because of the way we have the conversation right now the conversation is you know on their side or on their side, we're on their side, and we throw shit at each other. But the problem also is, who controls most of the mass media? Liberal people. Exactly. And most people-

That's why you're shadow banned. That's what it is. That is what it is, man. Pretty much, man. It's nuts, man. It's like, I look at stuff, and I'm like, I look at my numbers, and then I look at it compared to people who are in, I don't much, man. It's nuts, man. I have, like, it's like I look at stuff and I'm like, I look at my numbers and then I look at it compared to people who are, like, in, I don't know, like, tech. They make tech videos and stuff like that. And I'm like, our numbers are on par, but I guarantee all our videos are monetized.

Well, shadow banning is real. Yeah. You know, it's real on Instagram. It's real on YouTube. It's real on Twitter. It's real on all those things. Yeah. And it's, there's really not much that we can do. I mean what I mean. I know what I do

I just I pivot Yeah You know if one thing is shot it's happened before like they'll just keep shutting it shutting doors on me And I just try to pivot and figure it out But now what I've done is that like which emphasizes the importance of having your own independent platform It does it does and we just hit three hours, believe it or not. Oh, shit, really?

It's already 3.30, man. But I just want to say, I think you're doing a great job. And I think, you know, out of all the people that are promoting guns, and you do it in, in my opinion,

the most reasonable and well thought out perspective. I appreciate it. I appreciate you very much, man. Thanks, brother. Thanks for being here, sir. Absolutely, man. Thank you very much.

Goodbye, friends. Bye, everybody. Shit, brother. Thanks for being here, sir. Absolutely, man. Thank you very much. Goodbye, friends. Bye, everybody. Shit, that was fast. I never understand how fucking fast that was.