The Joe Rogan Experience - #1532 - Mike Tyson

Episode Date: September 4, 2020

Mike Tyson is the former undisputed heavyweight boxing champion of the world. Check out his new podcast called “Hotboxin’ with Mike Tyson” on Spotify. www.TysonOnTriller.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. So a friend of mine, he's a giant boxing fan, he sends me this text message, he goes, dude, check this shit out, and it's you, training with Rafael Cordero. And I remember looking at it and going, oh, shit, what happened? What happened? Because the last time you were in here, you were talking about how you didn't want to work out.

Yeah. Because it would ignite the ego. Hey, let's talk about that, too. So I was discussing with my wife something about me being overweight. You know, when you have to sometimes want to complain to your wife or you want to take it out on her in some kind of perspective. And she said, well, why don't you just get on this treadmill

for 15 minutes a day? I said, ah, she said, just 15 minutes. So it went from 15 minutes a day to two hours a day. That's what you were worried about. Yeah, exactly. But I was complaining about my weight

and so, I don't know, I guess I tried on some clothes and it was disastrous. And so I was worried about my weight and she told me the 15 minute route

and it went two hours a day. And I just started losing weight and then somebody, my brother-in-law said, hey Mike, I know you're not going to win but somebody said, would you fight this guy for like 40 million or 30 million bucks i said

man get the fuck whoa i said oh there's something ding i was just gonna get the fuck i said whoa i said like well who would they like me to fight and he said one minute and they go then it's bob sap i said okay and so i'm saying to myself, well, I know Bob. I said, ho. I know Bob is big and strong. I said, ho, one minute. How would they like me to fight him? Can I fight him under the Marcus of Queensborough rules?

He said, one minute, Mike. He asked the guy. The guy said, yes. I said, I'll fight him. Bob Sapp was the first one that was brought up. For people who don't know Bob Sapp, Bob Sapp was a giant fighter in pride. At one time, he was like 375 pounds. He was fighting all the kickboxers.

Solid muscle. With abs. It's incredible, right? And it went from him to somebody else and another guy and MMA, then this guy, and then somehow, no, some other fighters, Vander, then it went from, who else? It was another heavyweight champ. It was just a bunch of guys up here in a fight. And next thing you know, it came down to Roy.

And I'm like, I don't know what the hell's going on. And then he signed the contract. I signed the contract. Next thing you know, I'm in the gym again. And it's disastrous. I'm trying to get in the shape. I'm saying, did I really do this shit? I'm trying to get in shape.

I'm saying, did I really do this shit? You would probably know because if you're getting in shape and getting conditioned, they're two different animals. They don't even belong in the same workout division of working out. Getting in shape is just being kind of fit. Yes, and getting in shape is able to fit your clothes. Right, right. putting on condition. Getting in shape is able to fit your clothes. Right, right. You know, that's getting in shape.

Being able just to fit your clothes. Being in condition is being able to come outside of your soul. You know? Yeah. And you can't do that automatically. You're talking about being in fighting condition. Yes. Yeah. That's a rare state, and you can't keep it for very long.

No, it is just people need to understand that right the emotional state to prepare for that is oh mind-boggling well that's what i was seeing when i was seeing you hit the pads i'm like this isn't just working out there was something going on man when you were working out with cardero and you rip into the body and throwing those hooks i was like this is a man who's preparing to go to combat. This is not normal, getting ready to work out shit. That's why when I saw that video, I was like, oh. Want me to tell you something about that video? Yeah.

I did that video, and I was in bed for a week. That was 30 seconds, and I was in bed for a week. And it's not funny because it made me realize that this is big boy shit, okay? Big boy shit. This is big boy shit. There it is boy shit. This is big boy shit. There it is right there. That wasn't really cool. That's in the gym.

That's now. The thing is, though. That's now. That's now. That's going for five and six rounds. That's now. But I'm talking about before that 30 seconds, the first time I ever did it, I caught, what's the shit you kill when you can't walk?

Oh, sciatica. Sciatica. everything came in. All that shit that came back that made me quit boxing, all the pain started coming back. So when you started training again, did you start doing it slowly after that? Extremely slowly. And then I started dabbing in alternative stuff. Like what kind of stuff? Cryotherapy type shit?

Cryo, stem cell research and therapy and some other interesting stuff that i just don't know and it's just beautiful stuff like what kind of stuff i don't know hyperbaric chambers and just everything everything everything to help you recover it It's really interesting. It is. Well, I saw you when you walked in today. I was like, God damn, you look good. You look good, dude. Like, your muscles look good.

You look like you're vascular. You look fit. And I'm starting to feel fit. That's what's interesting. I know what they do. Like, I think I'm in shape shape and then the next thing you know, you think you're in shape and then you start having like, Ralphie will start throwing punches at me.

It's like a fight and I can't punch back when I gotta avoid. And then two rounds go by and he said, whoa, I'm not in shape. I'm hitting the bag six rounds. I'm doing this three or five rounds, six rounds, I'm jumping rope. And then I do two rounds of somebody,

it's a whole different psychological preparation, and woo! How much time has gone since you first started exercising? Like when did it start? So here we are, it was like August 23rd or something like that? 22nd. 22nd?

When did it start? It had to start, something like April. April. March, something like that. In the middle of the lockdown. Yeah. So you just started just training. And now here you are five months later, four months later.

How far away do you think you are to being in fighting shape? Oh, fighting shape. When the time comes, like by November 28th, yeah. That's when you'll be ready. Exactly. Now, why did you guys decide to move? You were supposed to be in September, right? I believe it was a viewing situation.

The proper timing for more people. For audiences? Yeah. I believe it was something of that nature. It's so exciting. It's going to be awesome because it's going to be me and everyone else that's involved, Eros and everyone, innovation. And we're going to start off the Legends Only League.

And that's going to be really breathtaking, especially starting off with me and Roy. Yeah. And I'm looking forward to that. It's going to have athletes from every genre. It's an array of everybody who believes in someone. They're all going to come back in all fields. And this is going to be something that me and Eros Intervention created together.

And I think this is going to be pretty awesome. So Legends Only League will be like all sports, baseball, basketball, everything. Everything, yeah. Tennis. Yeah, I think, is going to be pretty awesome. So Legends Only League will be like all sports. Baseball, basketball, everything. Everything, yeah. Tennis. Yeah, I think, imagine if something crazy like we did with Billie Jean, Dick King, they had somebody, yes, say, one of Serena, somebody play Mack and Roll and that kind of stuff.

Right. Exhibitions and stuff like that. Or somebody like Man O' War can play one-on-one with whoever, Iverson or somebody. I mean, men of peace. Men of war is the horse. Men of world peace. Yeah.

No, it's an amazing idea, but particularly for you. Like seeing you hit the bag again and seeing you hit the pads and get excited about it was very, very interesting to me because I knew that you had that thing in your head where you didn't want to ignite your ego and then you had this quote that the gods of war reignited your ego I read that I got so excited well that's the excuse I can use yeah really great excuse that I can use but it's uh it was a great quote it made me excited and I when I'm when I'm seeing

you training I mean you know I mean, you know, there's some people that, you know, everybody has opinions when something like this happens. When a man is 53 now, you're 54? Yeah, 54. And decides to fight again. As fit as you look, like, why not? Why not?

Why not? You can do whatever you want. Why can't? I mean, if you can go bungee jumping and ride a bull. Exactly. Listen, impossible is nothing to somebody that tries. Everything that someone said was impossible has happened. Yeah.

It certainly, well, listen, in 2020, with all the ways of recovering, all the things we know, the science. Limitations create impossible. Well, it's different now. Limitations are different now. create impossible. Well, it's different now. Limitations are different now.

Exactly. So when you, like that video when you were ripping the pads and working out with Rafael Cordero, how many, like how long into that was that? Like how quickly

did you get your speed back? Was it right away? Was it right there? No, speed, but that was our first day. That was your first day? That was our first day. Let's try this out.

That was our first day. Wow. And after that day, I was in the bed. I had to come get the guy to do the fucking shots and electrocute me to get me back i had the sciatica hit me i couldn't walk i was crying to my wife and i was like wow and i don't know why um after that i should have said this is over i'm not gonna do it but um that ego stuff hey come on please did it does it do you

feel like you felt in the old days? I mean, in terms of your mind, like the enthusiasm about this? Enthusiasm, yes. Sometimes I feel, I say, this is bullshit. I can't be feeling this good. You know, and then, I don't know. I think I really am. I'm feeling good.

I said, this bag, because I know the bag is a bigger bag, 200 pounds. I said, well, this bag wouldn't be moving like this if I'm not hitting it kind of decently. No, you look good. Look, this is not like, I've seen guys come back and you see them working out and they look sad. And it doesn't look good. What's exciting about you coming back is how good you look training. Why not? In this day and age?

But being a real fighter, this is what you know. You see so many people that's in the gym. Matter of fact, I've boxed people in the gym that kick my ass every day. But then know what's different? When you get them in the ring and there's a light on them

and people are eating popcorn and drinking beer and they freak out. So true. Yeah, the pressure. But you're Mike Tyson. Exactly. You understand that. Yeah, I know.

If anybody knows how to deal with that pressure, it's you. Absolutely. But, you know, it's good. But if you don't have the doubt, you're going to have a lot of trouble. Right. You have to have that doubt. Right. You have to have a little bit of that now is it this is a this new phase of your life where all

of a sudden you reignited and you want to compete again this has got to be fun it is fun but uh yeah it is fun i do say it's fun but it's still um it's apprehensive stuff yeah you know it's apprehensive stuff, you know, it's apprehensive, but it's still, like you said, it's fun. But it seems so exciting, like to watch you train and get ready. It's like,

to me, I'm like, fuck yeah. Like, what do you want a man to do? What do you want a man to do? Just sit around, do nothing,

just wait, go for walks, do whatever the fuck you want. And if you could still do this the way you're doing it, why not? Hey, um um i don't understand it either but i want to do it i don't understand i just want to do it and um

i feel like i was born to do this stuff well you certainly were at one point in time in your life but you had moved on to a different chapter of your life you had completely stopped doing that you were doing a tyson ranch thing smoking a lot of weed have you stopped smoking weed totally much yeah pretty much stopped it's gonna stop wow wow that's that's a big change but when you do something like this it's all about change you know you listen you can't continue being a comedian if you're not sharpening your um your psychic up even when you're doing it right here you're practicing your comedian act. You have to continue to practice. The more you practice it,

say if you practice it for a year, you'll be better if you only practice it for a month. So the more you do it, the better you become. Do you feel like that now in this comeback that you are only sort of scratching your potential because you're just getting back into shape again. A year from now, you'll be in even better shape, and you'll be more conditioned to do what you want to do. Like you're in this rebuilding stage now.

And now that's exciting. Yeah. When you go to your doctor, these people who have this alternative stuff, and you see the development, you see the healing process. And you say, come on, tell me this. Why is this happening to me? Why a guy like me who just got off drugs, who just gave up his life and don't care about nothing, this is happening to him?

Since I married my wife, all this good stuff started happening. And I'm saying, wow, what is this stuff all about? Whatever it's all about, it's good. I'm like, take my money. That's what I said. I said, take my money. I want to watch it. Let's see it.

And it's not about money because the money's going to be in charity. And it's just about doing something good. And from that perspective, that could be, I just like feeling like I'm doing something good for somebody more than myself. That's a beautiful part of it, yeah, that it is going to go to charity. But it's also an exciting matchup. And I'm watching Roy work out too, and Roy looks fantastic. Roy's going to always look fantastic.

If he was 100 pounds overweight, he's going to look good. He just really looks good when he does this stuff. Roy Jones Jr. I mean, that's one of the things that makes this fight so exciting is that, you know, Roy is, like yourself, one of the all-time greats. And still looks physically fantastic. Like, you see him moving around and hitting the pads. His hand speed looks great.

And you can't train with anybody that looks like him to do that stuff. Well, he always had such an unusual style. You know, with very few jabs. He would throw left hooks instead of jabs. You know, I mean, Roy always had, like, one of the strangest styles in all of boxing. Well, it was strange, but it was very effective super effective yeah just incredibly hard to prepare for it too cuz try to find someone who no one's gonna do that no one can emulate him in the gym now when you decided on a fight and decided

upon what were the were there other I heard that someone had offered you Shannon the Cannon Briggs for bare-knuckle boxing. No, no, it was just Tyson Fury. It was Bob Sapp, Tyson Fury, and quite a lot of other guys, but certain things just happened, and it didn't happen. And then it was Holyfield, it was Shannon, it was some other guys from MMA, and then before he turned out to be the right guy.

I guess we did a survey, and Roy popped up the winner. Well, certainly a giant name. On top of Holyfield, one of that. Yeah, Holyfield would be a great one too, but just having a guy like that that has that big name, that is also an all-time great, and that also wants to do it too, and to get the public excited. I mean, I think it's a perfect fight to get the public excited.

So do you think that once you fight Roy that that'll be it, or do you think this is just going to be the beginning of this new chapter in your life? I believe this is just going to be the beginning, and whatever happens, happens. This is pretty interesting. Being out here talking to you and knowing that the extent of the wavelength of people that are going to hear this stuff is pretty interesting because now this is true. It's really going

to no longer in my head. I'm stroking it. It's real. It's like wow. Yeah, it's wow. Yeah, I can't wait, man. I want to be there. I want to see it. Hey, down the street here. I'll come back. I forgot the name of it. The Dignity Center. That's where it's going to be there. I want to see it. Hey, down the street here. I'll come back. I forgot the name of it.

The Dignity Center. That's where it's going to be? Yeah. Yeah. And is it going to be an audience? It can't be an audience yet, right? I don't believe audience. I believe only like, I don't know, what am I going to say?

Our entourage? Right. A small amount of people. Yeah. Family fight group. And this is going to be eight rounds? I believe so, yeah. So how did you arrive on eight rounds?

Hey, listen, beats the hell out of me. I wanted to do the exhibition. I wanted to help the people. I said, why did I got eight fucking rounds? But now I'm getting in condition, and we're going to do this stuff. Wow, eight rounds gives you enough time to work. Gives people enough time to get excited about it. When you think about an eight-round fight,

do you see yourself moving into 10 rounds and 12 rounds in the future? We don't know what the future holds, but we're looking forward to just having fun and doing it for a purpose, a reason. Because people were talking about you literally fighting for the title again. Hey, I'm not interested in that. I'm just interested in fighting for the title of giving. Okay, okay. So just doing this for good so exciting for you but also generates a lot of positivity exactly yeah i love that and it feels um soul cleaning for some reason because you're giving

away to charity that you're doing something good doing it for myself i just didn't do it for me no more right that makes sense doesn't do it yeah that makes sense so it's both things so you get to excite yourself challenge yourself but the good is all going to an excellent cause i won't have in my mind oh i'm getting paid i just don't want to never have that in my mind again yeah i just never want to have oh i'm getting something for what i'm doing kind of attitude. Somebody said, and this was kind of hilarious, someone said, hey, I heard that they're just going to just mess around and that they're not going to go for the knockout.

I go, do you know who the fuck you're talking about? I go, you're talking about Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. Do you really believe that? That two of the all-time greats, once they start throwing hands, that it won't get crazy? Well, of course it is, because both of us are who we are, and we're going to show our skills, and nobody's going to look stupid, and it's just going to be interesting, I think. Yeah.

Do you have any other people in mind? Like, do you have a game plan in mind, like, after Roy, or are you just thinking only about Roy right now? At this moment, only Roy, but it's just some interesting people that we have that I'm going to announce later. Now, there was some talk of you and Roy way back in the day when Roy fought John Ruiz and won the heavyweight title. Yes, yes. Yeah. So what did you think about that fight back then? I thought it was really interesting because I couldn't use the money back then. So me and Roy

talked. We were in Texas and We went to Houston. We talked. After we talked, we just went out and chilled out. It was interesting. It never happened. I don't know what happened to me. Something must have happened to me. It just didn't happen. That's one of those things, right? There's always all these potential fights that don't quite line up. Do you have other fights in your head that were potential fights

that didn't line up that you wish did no everything happened for the reason this happened in now I'm excited about this fight I'm excited about this fight stylistically too because I always I always liked that fight stylistically I was so interesting you know because you were just this unstoppable force and Roy was so fast and so slick. I'm just prepared to do a lot of running and chasing. Yeah. That was real difficult to get in condition for.

I'm chasing this little guy around the ring. So how many days a week are you training now? Every day. Every day. You have the Sundays off and stuff every day. And what is a typical day for Mike Tyson right now? All right. And what is a typical day for Mike Tyson right now? All right. The day starts.

As soon as it's daylight around 5.30, I'll do the four-mile run, come back. What am I doing when I come back? I'm back. I'm in the shower. From the shower, I go downstairs. I let the birds out, the birds come back in may do some I got a machine we do the twist mm-hmm absolutely yeah and I'll do that probably 200 times on both sides and I

might grab a bite you know I may have some I'm You know, I may have some, I'm eating meat first, I may have some eggs instead of not eating eggs. You were a vegan for a while, right? Yeah. How long were you a vegan for? A couple years. For a couple years? Yeah, five years.

When did it stop? When did you stop doing that? I don't know, not too long ago. So did you stop because of the training, or did you stop before that? Yeah So did you stop because of the training, or did you stop before that? Yeah, I did stop because of the training. It was because of what I wanted my body to look like and the strength that I wanted to possess.

So you started eating meat, red meat, everything? No, no, no. No red meat? Only elk and bison. Oh, red meat. That's red meat. Yeah. Okay.

Wild stuff. You're eating elk and bison? Dude, I want to give you some of my elk. Yeah. Wild stuff. You eating elk and bite, too? I want to give you some of my elk. Yeah, really? Would you please? Fuck yeah. Would you please, man? 100%. Did you kill it? Yes. Yeah, I would like for you to do that. I'll give you some from that elk right there. That would be so awesome. Fuck yeah. That would be so awesome, brother. I have three commercial freezers

in the back. I would love that. I would love that. Yeah. When I look at food, I don't look at food like I used to look at it. I look at it for what it's for. Yeah. You know, what it's for. To take care of the body. Exactly.

Well, that's the best meat, too. You know, I realize that there's, you know, things that are good for other people, like the kale and the vegetables and all this stuff, the blueberry. And then for me, it's really poisonous. It's not good. That stuff's bad for you? Yeah, that stuff's not good for my blood type and my health conditions and all that stuff. Kale?

Oh, kale will kill me. Really? Yeah, it's going to kill me. Kale will kill me. What does it do? No, actually dead. Really? Yeah, for me, kale is toxic to my blood and everything.

So when you were a vegan, what were you eating? Oh, man, nothing. My wife called me the miserable vegan. She said, that's not veganism what you're doing, Mike. Just being miserable.

No, I think it comes down to when, and it's interesting because I've done it when I was with Cuss. I will sometimes just overdo it sometimes. Like sometimes I go for religious fast for 30 days.

I might overdo it. I might not eat for the whole day instead of just for the daytime, not eating. And I might for a couple of days just not eat, period. But that's just your championship mentality, right? Like you're always pushing yourself even when it comes to something like fasting. It has something to do with suffering. I don't know what it is. I can't put my feelings

on it. It's about how long can I suffer more than this person or that person or could this person do what I did? Right, right, right. I remember you saying that too about training that you would get up in the morning and train because you wanted an edge. You wanted to know that you were training while they were asleep. Exactly. Yeah. i remember thinking that back when i was doing martial arts

i remember reading that i'm like i want to do that too i copy a lot of shit you did well you always have to have and if and even if it's not so so you have to have and that's where delusion comes in because delusion is only delusional when you don't accomplish the goals of making your delusions a reality right that's what it's delusional when you don't accomplish the goals of making your delusions a reality. Right. That's what is delusional. Right. You're just enforcing your mindset.

Oh, yeah. To allow those delusions to be the reality of your assessment. Now, when you're doing this and you're getting up in the morning and running, do you feel like you felt in the old days? I don't mean physically. I mean the mind, like you're preparing for war again. Does this like reignite those old thoughts, the way you were when you were the champ, the way you were when you were on your way to the title? Like this is a whole new way of life. You know what's really interesting?

whole new way of life you know what's really interesting that sometimes um periodic they're not real but sometimes i struggle with the fact of why is the possibility i can really hurt somebody like you don't want to hurt them what do you mean when you struggle struggle with the possibility that you could hurt them? That is sometimes, it's orgasmic sometimes. Yeah. Like some fights, particularly like Tyrell Biggs or someone that you had problems with, someone that you had animosity towards, so when you could finally get your hands on them.

Hey, what does it mean when fighting fighting gets you get you erect what does that mean it's a good question means you're getting excited yeah so that that's going through your mind right now well that's how i get when i was a kid and i you know sometimes i get the twinkle the twinkle yeah well that's what I'm saying. It's like you reached a state as a human being, as a champion, as a ferocious fighter. You reached a state of ability and of accomplishment that very few humans will ever, ever touch and feel. That's why I'm asking you when you're running, when you're hitting the bag, when that heart's beating again, and you know who you are, you're Mike motherfucking Tyson. So when you're doing all this shit again, you're still Mike Tyson.

Those thoughts have got to be burning inside you again. It's got to be pretty wild. I don't know. It's wild, but I believe it's rightfully so to be that way. I don't say I'm master, but I just know how to deal with it. I don't let it overwhelm me. No. Well, of course not.

But saying that gets you orgasmic, that's a strange thing to say. Well, that's just what I wanted to find out because you're really bright, and I thought you would figure that out. No, I'm being very serious. No, I know. I know you're being serious, but no one will understand that other than you. That's your mindset. But I think that like all the things we were talking about before,

the way you drive yourself, the way you push yourself, the way you put yourself into that frame of mind, no one's going to understand that other than you. So no one's going to understand you get an erection from thinking about hurting someone more than you will. There has to be fear-based in somewhere. Fear-based? Maybe.

Or maybe just, maybe not fear-based, but maybe embracing the fact that you're going to go into this with everything that you have, the chaos of it all. And the ultimate goal is to hurt somebody. The ultimate goal is to be extremely successful. The way you can be extremely successful, the thing you do great, is to crush people. So to have that encompass everything.

This fighting is the only thing I don't ask Allah for. I just don't ask him for help for. I just don't ask Him for help for that. You don't ask Him for help for fighting because you think you got it. No, I just don't think. You don't think you should ask? I just don't want to be involved with that kind of mindset in Allah.

You know, people do. I just don't because it's just I don't like the way I think and I don't want God to be involved with the way I think at that time. Well, this is what's so interesting to me about you fighting again. Because of the conversation that we had the last time you were here, that you didn't want to reignite your ego. Clearly, your ego is blazing right now. I mean, you're ready to go.

Well, maybe because I'm an addict, a former addict, and I'm under a narcotic ring. The camera's on me. This is a big narcotic. And maybe that has something to do with it as well. But I like to think it's under control until the night of the event. Yeah, the night of the event. So the addiction will get purged with the performance. Yeah, that's why I was doing,

if you don't mind me interrupting for a second, I was, the book that talks to you, what do they call it, audio book, and it was called The Gene Key. Okay. This book, and the book was explaining about why that we are who we are in that perspective that most of the people like you and myself and people,

people in general who is not at that level, even anyone that have a creative mind is victimized to depression. And the reason is because when that creator, when that moment, whatever it is that causes that creativity is not fed the proper information that is successful and that is accepted in whatever space of the brain and the mind that it wants to be accepted and it's not accepted, it crumbles. Does that make sense? Well, I feel like with someone like you, the highs that you reach in competing, the highs you reach in fighting are so high that it's probably very difficult to just exist outside of that. And I know you love pot for that reason because it calmed you down and mellowed you out and chilled you out. Absolutely. It made me like myself. Do you understand that?

Yeah, I do. It makes me like myself. Do you understand that? Yeah, I do. It makes me like myself. It gives you forgiveness of yourself. I agree with that. I never thought about that. I never wanted to be forgiven much because that's really powerful stuff. Yeah. To have to accept forgiveness is really powerful stuff.

And to forgive yourself. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to forgive other people. Sometimes it's harder to forgive yourself. Yes. And marijuana makes you feel like it makes me more uh compassionate it makes me more friendly it makes me want to hug people gives me more of

a sense of community exactly it makes me like people who i believe did something wrong to me yeah it's like he didn't mean it he's just all fucked up just like me. If I'm drunk, I'm going to blow that brain out of my mouth. Oh, God. The fighting thing, to feed that, that experience, it's a different experience. And it's got to be so hard for a world championship fighter of your caliber to exist with like regular, normal, boring life. You know, when you're training and you're ramping yourself up for a big fight,

and then you have that big fight and you, you know, you knock out Spinks in front of the whole world and you're walking around the ring and you're on the cover of every magazine, that the highs of that, the accomplishment, the training, and then the competing itself, the experience is so alien to most people that when you walk around with regular folks in regular life, it's gotta be hard to exist. No, it's not, it's just that you have to know who you can be at certain times in your life.

No one knows who they are, because if you knew who you were right now, you'd be really limited. You know, because life is about change. You're going to be told that five years from now you'll be a different person, won't be this person. So we're going to have to develop some kind of emotional intelligence and just learn to, as time goes on, grasp what's ever going on and just form with it.

As it changes, you change with it. Because it's very difficult when times change to change with the times. Right. And you have to be conscious of that. And the times is not the people around you. The time is the development and time you have left on this planet that you have to develop who you are. How difficult is it to make that change, though,

to become a different person other than a world championship fighter? Like, when you decided to stop, was it difficult? Well, time will make you that person. Time will. Yeah, time will make you that person. What is time? I don't know.

Right. But time has also made you that person again now, though. Now it's reignited. Now new time has come, and now you're training again. Exactly. But I think this is done mostly for my health, for my mortality more than anything. Subconsciously, I think. That's the reason why I did it, just to be healthy.

To get in shape, to be healthy. Yeah, and then this stuff goes on, then this, and then I meet a doctor and say, Hey, you know, you should do this and this, and you try up stem cell Mike you never try stem cell but this is what really got me interested in this stuff I thought I interviewed which I like to do you as well on my podcast if you your license to do is your contact one oh yeah for sure so um I had the opportunity to talk to Ken Shamrock. Okay. And so he came in, and I looked at him, and I said, fuck, he looks incredible.

I said, what the fuck? Hey, what are you doing right now? Why do you look like that? How's that happen? And he said it was in Columbia, and I said, where? And he said, I'm going tomorrow. Right? But I had some people nearby that I happened to be introduced to, and they were on the top.

Is that that bio-accelerator place down in Columbia? Is that what it is? I didn't go there. Is that where Henry Cejudo went? I have no idea who went there. I have no idea where he's at. I just knew it was in Columbia. And I met some other people who were, yes, on top of their game with this anti-aging,

all this stuff that's going on with this alternative stuff also. And so I met these people, and it was just amazing stuff. So you're able to now train all these days a week. You have, like, how many months in now? You're solid since April. Yes. And you attribute that mostly to all these different alternative methods of uh healing especially um this is a gentleman that we call his name is brad

row we call him the mechanic the electrician that is and he and he works through you know current forces and that was electro muscular stimulation those things it's totally different it's in that family but just totally superior than that that's just so antiquated compared to this stuff you know so uh you you were talking about your ability to you're running in the morning and now what's the afternoons like what are you doing in the afternoons um that's when i'm training around one o'clock i'm in the gym i'm doing the training um 2 30 i'm probably talking on the phone and flipping some deals, making arrangements probably to do other shows, a commercial or some ads and just stuff.

Business shit. Yeah, business stuff. How did you get hooked up with Rafael Cordero? Because for folks who don't know, he's a legendary trainer in MMA. He's from Chute the Box in Brazil. He was one of the top guys back when Chutebox was the number one MMA camp in Brazil where

Anderson Silva and Vanderlei Silva. I found this out later, but this is how this happened. The two of us met. I said, hey, you know, I'd like to hit the mitts. You think I could hit the mitts with somebody? You think you got somebody around to hit the mitts? I was getting ready to go to Freddie's gym. Freddie Roach? Yeah, and then

someone said they had Ralphie L. And I said, okay, let me check him out. And she was just perfect. Is he near you? Does he live near you or something? He lives in Laguna. I'm in Newport.

What is another? Laguna? That's close enough. Yeah. Yeah, in Newport. What is another? It's Laguna. It's close enough. Yeah. Yeah, that's close. That's real close. So he's there, I believe. Yeah.

He's a great trainer. We just came from Vegas. We're just hanging out. You know, had to go someplace. And he's just cool, cool. I met him before the pandemic, but that's what I mean. We came before the pandemic. We were in Vegas.

We met, I guess, at one of the UFC fights. And then I met him over here, and I was saying I want to hit the Mets, and then that's how we got back together. He's a great man, like a good person. No. The reason why I kept him, not necessarily because he was awesome with the myths because he put so much peace and love and stuff to the whole family the whole camp he's a beautiful man his image his energy is just awesome yeah he's got great energy he's beloved

yes like in in the mma world and all by all the people that he trains with everyone loves you can't find a person to say a bad word about that man. Oh, man, he's so awesome. And he's a very good trainer. And he also was a guy, like, that style, that shoot box style, they were very aggressive. And I was like,

oh, well, that actually makes sense, him and you together. Yeah, when we do drills, the drills are what's going on. When we're hitting the mitts, it's no use, hey, hit the mitts, pop, pop, pop.

It's boom, and we're moving. It's action, boom. Heart beating, heart beating, heart breathing, It's no use. Hey, hit the miss pop pop is boomer. We're moving. It's right action. Boom. Yeah heartbeat Heart beating hard breathing and we're just working at it Yeah, I'm watching and I'm saying this is it's interesting because he's doing he's got you doing a lot of like side to side And angles. Oh, yeah, listen, I do eight Mac eight rounds on the bag and I do four rounds of me and her movement Oh, oh That bag where what was that bag work. What was that bag work?

Was that even really a workout? Yeah. You know, was that really even a workout? What was that, the warming up for this? What was that about? You don't even know that existed after you did those four or five rounds. So when you go from April, when you first started doing it again, to now, how much better do you feel?

Listen, that was just a joke at the beginning. You know, right now it's really perking up. It feels like real training. Yeah. It's taking that deep breath. Do you feel like you could train as hard as you did back when you were in your prime?

Well, listen, you have a tape here, don't you, that we could look at? Is there a film that? Well, listen, you have a tape here, don't you, that we could look at? Is there a film? Did someone send something over? Do you have a film of my tape of me hitting the mitts in my prime and see me hitting the mitts now? I bet we do. I bet you can find it. Look at me hit the mitts in 88 and let me hit the mitts from last week.

And you tell me. No, listen, I'll tell you. You look fucking fantastic. That's what's interesting about it. That blew me. I said, wow, that's me. I said, look at this. Yeah.

It's just I had more endurance back then than that but now i'm catching up well that's what it's interesting about it it's not like watching an old fighter that has lost it that's just trying to compete it's like watching an old fighter regain those old skills like you look great man that's what's crazy about it i'm just gonna work on this and work off it and keep working on it and see where this goes it's so exciting i love it i love it when i announced the listen this is um johnny ryan the guy that works with us in aeros and stuff when we announced the fights he got um we got in 2.5 billion hits. I'm serious. I believe it. I believe it. No, this is going to be a huge fight.

I mean, this fight is probably going to be one of the biggest fights of all time in terms of pay-per-view, in terms of people buying it and watching it. There it is. And in terms of helping people as well. Of Roy and you training together. There's a compilation. It's crazy. It looks like somebody speeded my goddamn film.

I know, you look great. My mother-in-law said they speed that up, and my wife said they speed. I said, no, I think they did not. That's the electrician. Oh, the electrical muscular stimulation shit? Yeah. Yeah. No, it doesn't look like it's sped up.

It looks like you still have the speed. That's what it looks like. That's what's so exciting about it. With a Kings MMA shirt on. Yes. So exciting. It's so exciting, man. It really is.

I'm 100% into this. And I can't wait for the fight to go down. It's going to be November 18th now, right? 28th. 28th. November 28th. It was enough time for fans and everybody and thanksgiving to be home and they'll be able to view it yeah for the holidays and just be able to help more people

the more people that view it this is so exciting man now are you doing weightlifting are you doing any swimming like what what other kind of exercise the only swim i did was when that shark commercial that was the only thing i was gonna ask you about you about that. And we're doing little weights. We're just a lot of reps and just doing a lot of. So you have a strength and conditioning coach? Yeah, Brad Rowe. Okay, so he's doing. Yeah.

Yeah. Brad Rowe. I've heard that name before. Weightlifting champ. Train weightlifting champs and all that stuff. And he's just an awesome person. We just kick him butt. And how many days a week are you doing strength and conditioning

along with your running and your boxing training? Monday to Friday. I think we do Saturdays too. I say, hey, I'm bored. Let's just go Saturday. Wow. How good does it feel to get back in shape again, man, and to look great? Hey, it feels awesome, but listen, there's nothing easy about it.

You know, getting in shape is not easy. It's just it's continuous stuff it's got its consistency there it is you go big old brat so how the fuck did they talk you into getting in the ocean with sharks what was that all about listen I don't know how they did this the money wasn't really that great and stuff. You know? And I'm sorry, Shark World. Your guys underpaid me. And they just had me out there. I was there.

And it was really interesting, man. It was really interesting. I'm just saying, how did these guys get me in here? Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. And listen, Dana thought he was doing me a favor. I don't want Mike to fail. I'm telling Mike to do a couple of gigs with these guys. And I'm saying, thanks a lot, Dana.

You really like me. Dana really liked me. I'm saying, Dana really cares about me. He said, forget the fight. I don't want to see Mike fight. I want to see Mike go fuck with some sharks. Yeah, I would say fighting is probably safer. Dana didn't want you to fight, right?

Yeah, but then he wants me to go with sharks, though. Why didn't he want you to fight? Did you talk to him about it? No, no. He has never seen it until he's seen it and watched me. Once he saw you, then he changed his mind? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I think when someone sees the dedication that you have that you're actually fit and you're actually moving fast and you actually can compete at a very high level i just had to realize that um i'm not gonna rush in there like that no more i gotta move around i gotta do it in a different way because i tried to go in there the first time and it was disastrous so i went in there thinking head, moving, and things went the way I wanted them to go. How long in training was the first time you sparred? First time I sparred? 15 years.

First time you sparred in 15 years. And how many months into training was that? You started in April. So when did you start sparring? The really boxing stuff, box boxing stuff, is when I did that stuff with Rafael. First time. Right, but I mean first sparring, first sparring rounds.

Yeah, it was really weird and stuff. But I realized when I was getting hit, boom, boom, boom, I got hit a couple of times. I didn't go like, what the fuck am I doing? I said, wait, I belong here. It brought it back. Yeah, I said, I belong here. I got rock, boom, boom, boom. I got rock and I heard the ringing.

I said, boom, I didn't panic. I said, oh, I belong here. Wow. I belong here. I got rock, boom, boom, boom. I got rock and I heard the ringing. I said, boom. I didn't panic. I said, oh, I belong here. Wow. I said, I belong here. I started moving and started talking about it. I said, whoa, I belong here. Nice.

I never said, what the fuck am I doing? This shit is crazy. It just never happened. It never happened. I was expecting that. You were expecting the what the fuck am I doing? I was like, what the fuck? Fuck this shit.

You say, hey, stop. Fuck this shit, nigga. I ain't doing this shit. But I doing? I was like, what the fuck? Fuck this shit. You say, hey, stop. Fuck this shit, nigga. I ain't doing this shit. But that's what I was expecting, really. I said, whoa. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Whoa, I belong here. Then you felt it and you readjusted.

That's the first thing I said. I said, whoa, I belong here. That's the first thing I said. Nice. How long did it take before you started feeling comfortable sparring? The next time I sparred again. Really? Yeah.

So the next time you sparred again, you just could get back into the mindset of what it's like to be competing and moving with another person. Yeah, and you can't go for the kill because your body's not moving for the kill now. You have to develop the relationship. Ooh, this is going to be interesting when you hear this. to develop the relation oh this is going to be interesting when you hear this and the fighter probably doesn't understand that but as he gets older you have to develop reacquaint a relationship with your mind and your body your legs go here before your body's ready to go with it sometimes so you have to um they have to sync up yeah they have to sync up now you have to talk hey before it was like ween ween ween before you let's do it, bing, bing, bing. Now it's like, hey, let's move here, let's move here.

You lose that tenth of a second when you talk to yourself. So you're doing it instantly. So do you think eventually you'll get back to automatic? Well, we're going to see. I would like that. Yeah, I'd like that too. It's exciting though, man. It's very exciting to see you sparring again, to see all that. Now, when you're sparring, are you sparring technically?

Are you sparring hard? Like, how do you spar? Listen, the first time I went back sparring, I tried to go all out, and I was disastrous. My body wasn't listening. Right, right. And so, like you said, I had to develop that relationship. And the second time I sparred, that was so much better, yeah. Yeah.

I wasn't rushing and trying to hurt nobody, kill nobody. I was just trying to accomplish stuff. Yeah, just get working. Yeah. And how often do you spar in a week? When I go back to sparring, I like sparring every day. Really? Every day?

Yeah, because the more you do it, the better it is. Right, the more your timing is, the better you feel. What are your thoughts on, like, some people think that you can spar too much and you leave too much in the gym because you get hit too much in camp. Well, that's the whole thing you learn in camp, not to get hit. That's the art of boxing, learning not to get hit in the fight, and you have to do that by trying to get hit in the gym real seriously and avoiding that.

And then it turns out in a fight. So you shouldn't be in the gym saying, I've been hit too much because you shouldn't get hit because that should be the objective of fighting, not to get hit as much as you believe you are. What do you say to a fighter that sees themselves getting hit too much, though, in sparring? Do you tell them to take some time off or do you say...

You know what I say, I try to teach him how not to avoid those punches. And if he doesn't, I don't really wanna have much to do with somebody, because I don't wanna be involved with somebody getting hit and getting hurt and stuff like that. Well I know you were doing a lot of coaching of just even little small sessions with different fighters

and there's a bunch of stuff on the internet. Did you think about doing that, like, in the future? No, no, not at this moment. It just takes a really special person. You should know it takes a special person to do that. You got to be a mother, a father, a psychiatrist, a dietician. It's just so many hats you have to wear in being a trainer. A good trainer, a true trainer to yourself and your fighters.

It's just a lot of hats that's really overwhelming for me and my personality. I totally can understand that. But I would also imagine that in your mind, there's some knowledge that I would love to see passed on to other fighters in a way like a trainer, only a trainer can do. Yeah, I'm the kind of guy, if you want to learn from me, you got to learn from a distance, let me talk to you or something. Because I'm not like Cus, if you want to learn from me, you got to learn from a distance. Let me talk to you or something because I'm not like Cuss. Cuss would never get tired answering questions.

Sometimes my son asks me, so I say, why do you guys ask so much? Because that's the way I was with Cuss. Right. Constantly asking questions. But I'm not Cuss. Cuss would never get, he would love to answer all my questions because Cuss wanted the perception that he knew everything and you should listen to him and take his advice because he knew everything. You know, that's what it's like.

If you was his friend, you always came to him for advice. He always wanted advice, wanted to give his advice and let you know that he was a superior thinker and that you should come to him and he'll settle your problems. That's just what he was. Do you ever think back on your life, like your life with Cuss and just the story, the origin story is almost like a movie.

It's almost too crazy. No, no, no, no. Let me tell you what happened, man. I'm in Sparfit detention for boys. And Muhammad Ali, they showed the movie The Greatest. It's like 77, 76, I'm 11 years. They played Ali. And then Ali walks in, then talk to the kids.

And I saw him. I saw everybody going crazy. I said, I want to be like him. And from there, I go upstate New York. There's a guy that used to be a professional boxer named Bobby Stewart. Mr. Stewart taught me how to box. And eventually he said, I want to introduce you. So he took me upstate on my custom model. This is all in a couple of months since I've seen Ali.

And now I'm training to be a boxer. Crazy. And you were 13, right? No, I was I would think I was 13, yeah. That's like a movie. No, I knew I was going to be successful.

I knew everything was going to go right. I knew it was in my blood. I was only a kid but I said I want to be like to go right. I knew it. It was in my blood. I was only a kid, but I said, I want to be like that guy. And it just started working. And it's such an amazing. Listen, not even three or four months after I saw Ali, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, I met him. I'm in one place.

I had a fight trying to stab a guy. I did it with a pencil or something. I go from there, and I go over to this bad place, Elmwood, this cottage, that's where Bobby Stewart, because he's a fighter, and he had to take care of these, all the staff, they're big straw men, because they have to take care of these

very interesting kids, you know, like homicidal kids. These are kids, but they're really wild. And so that's the job. We're in the wild. We're in the bad college, the lock-up college, Elwood. And so we have the bad memories. That's the crazy kid college. It gets to lockdown. No one can go outside like we. They got to be handcuffed when they leave the

cottage and stuff. And so that's where I've gotten my tutelage. That's where I learned to go to school. That's where I've learned everything in this bad boy place. This place where all the bad kids at. And since they had to have extreme kind of guards, security, Mr. Stewart was a professional

boxer and he would teach the kids how to box. They behaved themselves and got on a certain level in which you can go back there and box. And guys were coming back to their domes. I was locked up. I wasn't on the level to go there because I had just got there. So they put me in the back to lock you up too.

They see what kind of person you are so they put you in the group. And I see these guys coming back with their eyes busted, teeth knocked out, their ribs sore. But they were happy. They're laughing about this. Yo, he fucked you up. Yo, baby, you almost got him. And I said, yo, what's going on and what's happening?

They said, yo, we're fighting, Mr. Stewart. We're boxing, Mr. Stewart. And stuff. And they're happy with him bleeding, tooth knocked out. But they were happy and it was enthusiasm. I said, I wanted to do that, too, because I wanted to be tough. And so Mr. Stewart, I talked to him. He didn't want to teach me.

So I started cleaning and being a real nice kid to everybody because I wanted to learn how to box because all the kids were happy. And he started teaching me how to box. It's crazy that you met Cuss, too, because out of all the people that you could meet, no one was better at the psychological game. Oh, I would never have been the champ if I wasn't for Cuss because he put stuff in my mind. I started thinking about myself being these people,

visualizing myself being, I don't know, great or somebody. I've never done that in my mind. I started thinking about myself being these people, visualizing myself being, I don't know, great or somebody. I've never done that in my life. I've never heard, not even in the ghetto, somebody say this. Like, I said, wow, he's great. Like, I'm talking about, like, Holmes. I said, wow, he's incredible. He said, why is he incredible? I don't think he's that incredible.

Why shouldn't you have that? Why should he have that and not you? I've never heard somebody's that incredible. Why shouldn't you have that? Why should he have that and not you? I've never heard Smythe say that to me. But Cuss was a master at the psychological game. Master. Like you just, you would hear him talk about things, just reading the things that he's written about, about the psychology of fighting.

He was the perfect guy for you. It was almost like the stars aligned. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. It really is like a about yeah it really is like a movie it really is like it all lined up and plus physically you were so unusual you were so unusual so gifted i mean even when you were young i told him that he can't be too small no way in the world he can't be too short because's too small. He's got the 225, 230.

Well, obviously they were wrong. Big time. But it was also, you might have been short, but you had the best style and Cuss developed that with you. The best style to deal with the fact that you were shorter. The bobbing and the weaving, the constant pressure. Exactly. But I believe

style is relevant. I believe it's the morale behind the style. I think success in fighting in life is about desire and the will. Yeah. How bad do you want it? Is it worth dying for? That's his true greatness

is the willingness to die. So this thing worth greatness. The mindset that he instilled in you and the way he gave you the tools in order to think about things in a way that fueled that mindset. Yeah, but that doesn't do good in the real world though. It really is really disastrous in the real world.

Right, right. You know? Yeah, that is true, right? That's true with that too, right. You know? Yeah. That is true, right? That too, yeah. Isn't that crazy? It's like the very thing that made you special could fuck you in the real world

with regular people. Oh, the real world. Guys like that go to prison. They don't exist in the real world. They gotta take them out of there. It's crazy.

They have to remove them from the real world, those kind of people like myself. Isn't that what's crazy? That's where the crazy adjustment has to come in, where you have to learn how to be. And that's where cannabis helped you a lot too, right? A lot.

Oh, man, forget it. Forget it. Forget it. But now you're not smoking any weed getting ready for this fight. No, no, no. Do you miss it? Well, I understand the discipline of this stuff. But what I don't like about it is just that without cannabis, it doesn't matter to me.

I just get mean. I don't like the mean stuff. I don't like I might snap at my wife or my kids. That's what I don't like. Right. What? Right, right, right. Well, I see the sparkle in your eye again.

It's a little different right now than the last time I was talking to you. There's a little more intensity going on. But it's also you're ramping up. Yeah. You know, I'm just always, sometimes I get beside myself and I forget that I have to be grateful for what I love, what God did in general. And sometimes I get caught up into my ego. Right. So it's just a struggle, but I'm working on it.

I never worked on it before, so that's a start, right? Right, right. I never considered working on it. But that is the thing, right? What gets you to be a championship-level fighter can really fuck you up for the rest of your life. Oh, I can't believe it. I'm so happy my wife is still with me.

I'm just very grateful because I'm just useless and stuff. And I have to learn how to live life. Life, I'm disastrous in living life. Oh, fucking joke. I did it, man. You would never believe. I would believe. I'm using these nice words and I'm conducting myself.

You come to my nice house and you would say, this guy is just an uncouth neanderthal you know so i just i just listened to my wife people think it's stupid i listen to this right so she told me become before i came in be kind and be nice to every it's be kind and nice because i don't eat most of the time i only eat after we're in if i don't eat enough she says she's gonna get angry can you please eat so she's forcing me to eat this stuff for Friday. And so I said, okay, I eat. But she's right because of the time.

We've been married 11 years. You got a good one then, man. You got someone who balances you out. Someone who understands you. Yeah. I don't know. Listen, I was talking to her. I said, you know, sometimes I think about we're together and this is going to be over soon.

We're going to die. One of us is going to die before the other one. And I said, I would not know what to do if you died first. Wow. And I had to take care of these kids because her whole life is me and all my kids. Right. Her life is me and not only the two kids that we have, but her life is me and all my kids. Right.

And I would just love her and marry her just for that alone. No pussy, no passion, no sex, that alone. Yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful, man. To find someone who balances you out like that. Absolutely. But that, what we were talking about, where the very fire that gets you to be Mike Tyson, that turns you into this destroyer inside the ring, will, if you don't learn how to

control it, will fuck you up in every other aspect. For instance, after my one round fights, some of them caused me loss. Because right after that, you think I'm calmed down. You think after 30 seconds or 45 seconds, hey, he's cool. After one round, everything's cool. He's happy. It's over. It's still ringing.

It's revving up. It's still revved. It's not finished. It's not dead. The energy's not dead. Not the energy that you jet. The energy of hurting somebody or continuing to hit somebody. It's revved up. Right. And so the first thing you jet the energy of hurting somebody continuing to hit somebody it's revved up

right and so the first thing you hear that indicates altercation it's not hey what it's just off you have no control over it

right and it's almost like you're insane like why can I stop this why is this happening to me why am I in jail right now and why am I in fucking prison

and you're Mike Tyson so it's not like anybody can tell you not to's not like anybody can tell you not to do it or anybody can tell you to shut up or calm down you're not gonna listen

to anybody you're the fucking king of the world but it just gets crazy when the people in the jail and prison know you real well you know

they're familiar with you like when they see you they're not excited now right they get really familiar with you Jamie Foxx is gonna play you in a movie that's gonna be interesting that's gonna be interesting that's wild I'm excited now, man. I get really familiar with you. Jamie Foxx is going to play you in a movie.

That's going to be interesting. That's going to be interesting. That's wild. If anybody can do it, Jamie Foxx can do it. That's a talented man. He's really good at what he does. He's fucking talented. That guy can do anything.

He's one of those dudes, you listen to him sing, you hear him play music, you see him do stand-up comedy, then you see him act. You're like, this fucking guy can do anything he's just one of those dudes that can just lock in on something and he can do anything yo listen when the light is on you when um when the when the universe put the light on you there's nothing stronger than a person whose time has come yeah it's all about the light man all of us get it you may not think the homeless man in the corner, the blind and paralyzed guy that's begging with a cup. We all get that moment of shine. We all get it.

Feelings, performance, whatever it is, we all get it. Now when Jamie is playing you, what does that feel like? I know Michael Jai White played you once. Did you talk to him about that? No, I didn't know him or anything. I was in jail when this guy was

doing this stuff. Do you know Michael Jai? I met him a few times. He's a great guy. He appears to be. Very, very nice guy. I've known him for a long time. And very respectful guy, too. But was it weird watching someone play you? Dig, man. No. No?

No, no. It's just that ego shit kicks in, so I'm watching it. And he had some good qualities in it. He did some really good stuff that I thought... But the stuff that he did that represented me, I don't think people even picked up on it. Like what kind of stuff? It's the way he moved his head. Yeah. People don't know

I crack my neck all the time. Yeah, what was that about? You were always doing that. I don't know. I don't know what had happened when I had foot, bone crusher, Smith T had hit me

and the next thing I know I don't know how to crack my neck. I couldn't stop. My neck was messed up so I had to go to a chiropractor. I don't know what the heck was wrong with it.

So that was on the Kiva? It was a nerve. So it was from the bone crusher Smith? Well, that's when I started doing it. Oh, wow. I had some nerves. A nerve that was like, ah. And then I got a, ah.

Did you ever have neck problems? Like, you needed surgery or anything? Yeah, I had surgery on my neck. You know the Hawaii? You remember when I used to do those rolls on my head? Yes. The football rolls? Oh, they destroyed me.

They destroy your neck. I would do them for three minutes and stop a minute. Do them for three minutes. So I'd do them for five or six, eight rounds. And as time went on, they just beat me up. That gave you a crazy fucking neck, though, man. Your neck used to start at your temples and just go straight down. For fighting, you need a

green neck. Are you doing anything to strengthen your neck now? Yes, I have the weight stuff. You ever use an iron neck? Tell me about that. No. It's a halo. I'll give you one. I have one in the back. It's a halo. You put it on, you pump it up, it fits around your head, and then it's got a bungee cord on it. So you back up like this,

the bungee cord's 50 pounds, and then you do these. And because it doesn't do this with your neck, it doesn't put pressure on the discs. So it doesn't move the discs in an unnatural way with weight. Yeah, because you can do all these different exercises on it, but

it doesn't ever bend your discs. So it strengthens the neck without doing damage to your discs. That sounds interesting yeah i would love that yeah thank you i really appreciate it i have um what's the name i have a um a treadmill that um you have to put on some shorts first and then you zip it it's like oh in the water no it's not water you put on shorts. You zip the shorts with the plastic that covers the machine, and you start running. And then you can run as fast as you can.

You won't feel anything. But it's not water inside of it? No, it's running on a treadmill. It's under plastic, and it's zipped up around you. This thing right here? Zero gravity treadmill, is that it? That's what it is, yeah. Oh.

How's that working? That's pretty awesome. You don't feel anything. Then you take the pencil. If you feel all the sex, boom, you might fall to the floor. Really? Yeah, it's really cool. So this way it doesn't beat up your joints.

Yeah. But listen, this is what people don't understand. Yeah, you have a machine that don't beat up, but when you're running outside, the high of running outside is almost worth messing your joints up. Really? Yeah, the high you get from running outside. What's the difference between the high you get from running outside is almost worth messing your joints up really yeah but the high you get from running outside what's the difference

between the high you get from running outside you never felt that running I do I do run outside but like what do you feel man it's just I can't even articulate between being outside running

and it's like night and day being inside the house on the treadmill and being outside running and it's like night and day. Being inside the house on the treadmill and being outside running, it's like night and day. You can't even compare the two. Is it because you're moving, you're traveling distance? Is it because you're breathing in the fresh air? It's a spiritual difference.

It's just a spiritual difference. Running, hearing the birds, hearing the whatever it is. The animals running through, breaking the sticks and the weeds. You're just conscious of everything. Right. It's real running as opposed to just exercise on a machine. Exactly. Even if you have a headphone on, you're still conscious of everything out there.

Now, have you talked to Jamie Foxx? Yeah. While he's getting ready to do this? I talk to Jamie periodically, all the time. We don't even talk about the film. Really? Yeah, we don't talk about it. Now, he's getting bulked up, too.

He's getting jacked. He looks huge. I just wait till he's finished. When is this supposed to take place? Hey, whenever he's ready, I guess. Oh, wow. That's wild. So when he gets ready to do it, is he going to hang out with you and try to take on your mannerisms?

Well, he's known me for quite a long time, so he knows my mannerism. He's not going to—if I died, he can do me. Right, right. Pretty much, you know, so he wouldn't have to be around me. Do you want to help him? Do you want to give him any pointers or anything? Whatever help and what areas and what direction he needs me to help him in. Yeah.

That's a great— If I'm capable of doing it, yeah. If you're going to have someone play you, I think he's the perfect person. He's just good. And there's other guys, too, but he's just—he just knows the real—he has been there. You know, it's hard to get a guy that's just 20 years old and then we're going to have him portrayed as a 25. And he just never get it right. When somebody understands the environment that they lived in at that particular time

and they create that environment again in their mind once they're under the influence of that person they're portraying, Jamie's going to get some knocking out the park. He'll knock it out the park for sure. He understands that environment and that chemistry he's going to reconnect. Now, are you going to be a consultant on this move or anything to make sure that it's all legit? Listen, Jamie will be around me. He'll discuss it with me.

I'm sure we have that taken care of as well. But we're just going to work this out the best way possible for both of us i believe now when is that is it supposed to follow you when you're a young man or is it supposed to be you as a champion well we're not gonna talk about that right now it's gonna be a bunch of stuff but you don't really dig it i'm gonna tell them some really interesting stuff so you're saying that the running outside it's worth it just for the spiritual difference. It's worth the beating up on the joints. Does it fuck with your joints?

Do you have, like, knee problems or ankle problems these days? Yeah, I do. But the guys I work with, they take care of that right away. You know, it's almost like, it's like, I don't know. It's like, I don't know, I want to say healing like I'm 18, but it's almost like putting super glue on your joints. All right? You know, like super glue on your finger, like, oh, fuck.

Get the super glue. You know, remember that time you put it on your finger, it stuck on your finger, like, God, you can't get it off. It's like super glue on your joint. It is interesting what they can do today. Like, you could heal and recover way better than you ever could before. There was no 54-year-old men that looked like you when we were kids. No, no.

Jack LaLanne was the only one. Yeah, and even Jack LaLanne, I mean, he was kind of fit, but he was just fit because he was disciplined. Yes. Because he continued to exercise deep into his 90s. What discipline was all about. I don't care how good you are in anything. You don't have discipline.

You ain't nobody. You're nothing without discipline because you give up on the slightest struggle without discipline. A hundred percent. And that has to be something that you also learn from Cuss as well. I don't know what discipline is. I don't know what discipline is. He told me discipline is doing what you hate to do, but do it like you love it. Doing what you hate to do, but do it like you love it. Doing what you hate to do, but do it like you love it.

That is a great quote. And if you can do that, you could be successful in anything. You normally are. You'd be the best janitor in the history of janitors. And I use that for a perspective, not just putting those janitors down. The best of it. I know what you're saying. When all is said and done,

I would love it if someone sat down with you and made maybe a book of all the things that Cuss taught you. I don't know. All those things that Cuss taught me nowadays would not be cool. In what way? I don't know. Cuss was born in 1908. In 1908, they had a different opinion of people having opinions like women

and stuff like that. And Cuss, Cuss believing that he cared for the downtrodden people and this and that for the blacks and Latinos and Irish people who were being abused by the Irish people at that time, which is crazy. He really was that guy. He was the guy that fought for the people that didn't have anyone to fight for them. He was just that guy. He wanted to be that person. He wanted to be a person that people looked up to and he was the fight for them. He was just that guy. He wanted to be that person. He wanted to be a person that people looked up to,

and he was the boss and stuff. He just wanted to be a person. And when I read his book and I found out about him, he was successful his whole life. He was always the guy in the neighborhood that people came to to settle beef and talk things over with and loan people stuff and help people out, and he liked being in that position of being able to teach people something,

what he believed was teaching them something. So he knew so much about the human mind. Well, when he died, this is very interesting. We went and died, and then Camille, there was a, I lived with him and Camille, and we went out and cleaned the room, and when I saw it in the room, I saw all books about psychiatry and the mind and everything and mystic stuff and all that stuff.

And I said, this is what he was really about. Yeah, he just, like, he believed he was a mystic believer as well. He believed in Zen and the art of archery and all that. He had those books. He was just a believer in more than what we saw. You know, it was more than what we could physically articulate going on with us as human beings or what we are called. When you sit back and you think about your career and how fortunate you were to run into that guy, I mean, how much did that play a part in your mind? Like when you knocked out Trevor Burbickick became the youngest ever heavyweight champion when you're thinking about that we did you ever stop and think like man how lucky am i

that i ran into that man no no he said he summons me he summoned you whoa makes sense i mean you think about a man whose life work involved psychiatry, involved the mind, boxing, hypnosis, training all these boxers. Floyd Patterson had all these great fighters. And then he wants one great one before it's over. And he summoned you. He wants an animal. An animal. He summoned you.

What did that feel like for you? Did it make sense? No, I believe what he told you. What'd that feel like for you? Did it make sense? No, I believe what he told me. Yeah. It, I mean, I don't know if I believe you could summon someone,

but goddamn, that seems like it's real. Yeah. That seems like it's real. I don't know, I think you can do whatever you believe you can do. If you really believe it yeah well that

that was what I got out of all the things that I read about you and him together and being able to talk to you about you and him is that he gave you these tools to understand the way your mind worked and you just ran with them

I'm an extreme kind of person. Yeah, so I get carried away. If your confidence is not a delusional perspective, you have the right confidence. Yeah. You get so amped up, Mike. Even sitting here talking to you about these things, I could see it in you.

You get amped up even just talking about achieving things talking about success talking about the mind you know i could see it inside of you you get very fired up about these things yeah um i have to be serious about anything that i want to accomplish yeah that intensity is what made you special i mean that that i mean i can't have people this is the first time I had my wife and kids around me. Normally, this can't happen. I have to be away from them.

For camp? Yeah. Yeah. No, I can tell, man. You're different right now than the last time I saw you. I can tell you're ramping up for this fight.

Yeah, it's just what it is. I don't know if I like being who I am. It's just... It's who I am. Are you planning on doing this and then seeing whether or not you're cool with it after it's over? And then maybe going back to the way you were? I just want to do it. You just want to do it?

Yeah, let's just do it. Only think about that for now and then let all the chips fall where they may after it's over? I just do it. I just want to do it. I like doing it. I don't think it's going to be disastrous enough that this is going to be awesome and we're going to do it. I'm so glad you're doing it, man. There's a lot of people that had negative opinions about it.

And I was like, listen. No, this is interesting. Okay. Just think about it. How old are you? You're not that old. I'm 53. I'm a year younger than you.

Yeah, but listen. The fact is, like, when they said they can't get people on the moon, because they didn't want to believe it. Because it's like they don't want to believe it. But what are they going to say when it happens? I think there's a difference in today than there was in 20 years ago when you were dealing with a 54-year-old person. When you're talking about recovery, sports science,

what they know about how to make the body work, what they know about training and conditioning. People are just different now. Yeah, but all it has to do, you could be on so many steroids and pills or whatever they got, health growth and all that stuff. But listen, you could be the best physical shape in your right if you don't go out there with a good mental perspective is going to turn out disastrous. Yeah, if you're not mentally prepared.

Yeah, it's going to be disastrous. But that's the thing that I'm liking about talking to you. You seem very mentally prepared. You're ramped up, Mike. Yeah, I don't know if I am. It's just that this is who I am. I guess I don't know. I like fighting.

Well, that's why you were so fucking great at it. And that's what's so exciting about this is that you're back into that mindset again. I guess so, yeah. I try to control it because I have to know. I have people at home I have to just level my personality down for. That's the problem, right? The problem is regular life. Yeah.

Once you turn the switch on, just to keep. You know, normally when I'm in this mode, I only want a slave. I don't want a family member. I have to cut stuff down. We all have to be from a humanity perspective. You get into the conqueror's mindset. It's just that I think everything should go my way while I'm going through this process. Yeah.

You know, I think no should be a foreign language for this next two months for what I need to prepare for what I need to prepare for. Everything should go your way. Yeah, from my perspective, for me knowing me, preparing for what I need to prepare for, yeah. That's an alien thought process for most people. They don't understand, like, to be Mike Tyson,

to be who you were when you were at the top, you have to think like that. I don't know how to think of anyone's thing. I think you think like that. What the hell do you mean I have to think like that, too? That's what I mean, to fight. I think to fight is the most extreme version of that, though. For you to prepare for the,

well, let's say who you were going to, let's say you had Joe Biden in here, for you to prepare for that, that's going to be very interesting, right? let's say you had Joe Biden in here, for you to prepare for that, that's going to be very interesting, right? You're not going to come at him like you came at somebody that you know that you're comfortable with. You're going to look at it from a different perspective. Let me hit him from this part and see where this comes,

because he's going to look at you as just some small sports jock. Yeah. So you're going to say, yeah, I'm going to surprise him and come at him from this direction. That's just how we think, the competitive. We don't want nobody to think what we are.

We wanted them to have a little bit of figuring out process of what we are. If I had Joe Biden in here, I think I'd get really high before I talk to him. Oh, that would be beautiful. I think he would be high, too. You can't tell me he's not a high guy. He looks like he's a high guy. He's going to be a high. He definitely seems like he's on something.

Yeah, but I would get really high before I talk to a dude like that. That would be awesome. Just to try to feel. You know how sometimes when you're real high, you feel energy from people, good or bad? You feel. You know what I mean? If you're hunting mushrooms, you got them pegged. Whoa, baby.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're hunting mushrooms, you see who they really are behind the screen. That's why my wife don't like me as much as she does your shrooms again, huh? Don't come in here with no damn shrooms. Shrooms and DMT. Don't mess with shrooms and what's that? Chunga. Don't mess with

no Chunga and shrooms. That's a no-no for me at the house. Don't bring that shit home. Yeah, that's funny, man. Yeah, when you're just even microdosing. If you microdose mushrooms and you're around people, especially if someone's lying to you, especially if they're pretending they're something they're not.

Listen, I've done mushrooms alone before. I used to do like a bag a day. And then when I stopped for like three months, I said, let me just do a little. I'm looking at the tub and bang! I'm God at the television, bang. I'm God, and you guys are just here for my entertainment.

But you're watching television at first, and it's cool. And then it starts sounding, whoa, it sounds good. And then boom, it hits you. I know some dudes who train on it. They like to train on mushrooms. Listen, you know what I did? I took some mushrooms and I did the bike for two hours. But it was like, it was just like I was in a zone,

but breathing heavy. I was in a zone where I could hear my breathing. I was like, what the? Wow. I'm going to die. I'm thinking you're going to die. Holy shit. I'm dying, but I don't stop realing it. I'm thinking I'm dead. Because the? Wow. I'm going to die. I'm thinking you're going to die. Holy shit.

I don't stop realizing. I'm thinking I'm dead. Because that's what mushrooms do. It makes you believe you're dead. It gives you that feeling of fucking like, boom. It's just, I'm living dead. It's feeling like your soul is separate from your physical body. Listen, why can't they, listen, stop.

It's like, no. It's like you're in this room, right? I'm in this room. Well, you said that blew my mind. You said, I'm in the room. And all the room is like, it could be like, the whole room, this whole room is like covered in like a kind of like shaded, visible. And I'm just covered in the whole, and it's just me and everything, the whole world is outside of me. Yeah. And it's like I'm gone and everything

is just my entertainment. I'm just looking in and no one sees me. And it's just, oh man, forget it. I gotta run to the stairs, hey baby, baby, baby. Even though I've been hiding this stuff for a while. Baby, baby, I took some shrooms. I'm not feeling good, baby. I'm sorry, I'm just not feeling good. I'm seeing shit, I'm not feeling good baby baby I'm sorry I'm just not feeling good

I'm seeing shit I'm not feeling good what does your wife say when you do that she said I told you not to use that shit stop doing it I learn things

when I do them though too I learn things about myself absolutely oh do I yeah and I said see baby cause when I do learn

I tell my wife she said this is true I said, see, baby? Because when I do learn, I tell my wife, she said, this is true. I said, see, the shrooms. The shrooms, mama. It's the shrooms. It gives me that enlightenment. But it's also, once I do shrooms, I know why I have to stop doing the shrooms, because I start doing it too much, and then I lose the concept of time. I might have been, like you say, me and my wife's in the car.

We drop off the kid to a class that she goes once every week. We drop her off, then we come back to the house, and I just say, hey, where's Milan? We just dropped her off, Mike, and I lost that concept. I lost that time. Yeah. Yeah, it makes regular life seem trivial. Things like time, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

It's a problem. Yeah. If you have to keep appointments. Oh, no. I'm not going to make that. And if you go there and if your body, the shrooms tell you, hey, you shouldn't really be here. This is not worth our time. This is not what we're vibing on to reach the higher level. This becomes

disastrous. This guy becomes the enemy. He's stopping my enlightening now. Shrooms, I think they should be clinics all over the country. Some of them do. They are super-cybin.

Psilocybin? Psilocybin, yeah. It's still a Schedule I drug, unfortunately, in this country. But I think there should be clinics where the professionals talk you through. Listen, have you heard about the white cobra? The white cobra? Yeah. Oh, he's a great psychedelic, too. It's another psychedelic?

Oh, the lizard's tail, the centipede. Yeah. No. The toad. Of course you know the toad. The centipede yeah no the toe of course you know the toe the short p what else the jellyfish i believe it's one and they have they have a quite a few animals that possess that psychedelic chemicals yeah yeah well we're being fucked in this country because they keep that shit from us and they make it illegal and so many people have learned great things about themselves through mushrooms and through all kinds of different psychedelics especially micro dosing they learned how to stop us from drinking they gave us a rule to stop us from drinking by taking shrooms and lsd and stuff yeah stops people from smoking

cigarettes i just think um we abused them i think they've been using them since the beginning of time and yes people like, we abuse them. Yeah, but people abuse everything. They abuse cheeseburgers and alcohol. You should be able to take whatever you want as a grown man. And the fact that this country keeps it from us and keeps it illegal, it's fucked up. Because it could benefit so many people. I think we would have a better society.

Well, it would benefit the people that they wanted to benefit. The people who's hiding it from us are the ones that's getting benefits. I think the people that are hiding from us, they're protected pharmaceutical companies. Well, listen, I don't know who they are, but I know they're somebody. Yeah. Yeah, well, there's a lot of factors. There's a lot of factors. But for me personally and for a lot of people that I know, they've gained great benefits from psychedelics.

What do you think about this world we live in? What do you think about it? How did it ever exist? What is the origin of it? Yeah. Yeah, the world is a strange place, and stranger right now because of COVID and because everyone's locked down

and society's kind of fucked up. I just think we as human beings, what we are, who we are, whatever we exist to be, we're fucking germs, and we're the cause of everything that happens to us. I always think that people let out the virus. We're viruses.

We're fungus. That's what we are, fungus. If we look at it from the perspective of consciousness, what do we do? We get sick. We get other people sick and we die. Yeah. Have you ever heard of Terrence McKenna? You know who Terrence McKenna is?

No, tell me about Terrence. Terrence McKenna was a brilliant ethnobotanist. He was a guy that worked with plants and he was into psychedelics and he had a theory called the stoned ape theory and he believed that human beings became human beings because of psychedelics. He thinks that we developed into human beings

when lower hominids like ancient man was experimenting with mushrooms. That could be interesting. So I think, well, let me not think that. Let me say, I saw documentaries. And from the documentaries, it appears to be that the world was created off of drugs. Someone's taking some drugs and they're reaching that belief to be divine intervention from God. And this is how the world was discovered.

Have you ever done some research in the history of drugs? Yeah, I've definitely done some research in the history of drugs. Oh, so I'm sure you understand. Well, drugs in human beings, for sure, it accelerates creativity, right? It gives people ideas. But the idea behind psilocybin is a bunch of ideas one of them is that it actually can make people think about things like language and that language could have come about from people making these connections from psilocybin

it also makes people a little bit more creative it makes people horny increases visual acuity make them compassionate makes them compassionate would bond them in terms of community and also is better for the and love and if you think about it for long periods of time

if that became a part of the human diet it would make sense that that was one of the things that made people better the diet has always been abused our diet is being abused now because that's why

we have the obesity sure now and that's what happens with all these extreme drugs and alternative drugs. We abuse them.

We take them too much. We smoke too much weed. You know, we smoke too much weed. We smoke too many cigarettes. We do too much of everything. Yeah, we do abuse shit. Yeah.

Why do you think that is? Why do you think people... Do you think... But don't you think that that same abuse, that same... Like, that's also what makes people great at things too? Because that same almost the same mindset that allows someone to abuse drugs or abuse gambling and become obsessed with pornography also is the same mindset if channeled the right way that allows someone to become obsessed with boxing.

What prevents them from doing the right thing from the wrong thing with the same feeling you know what prevents that emotional intelligence yes the majority of the world don't even possess the world the world is not even 50 years old right so um this is going to be a struggle for the next 100 years that's going to until we get that yeah that's going to have to be be our main objective to develop that. Yes. In order to succeed as human beings. Yeah, that's, no truer words have ever been said. That's what it is. It's emotional intelligence.

Because, listen, our feelings are enslaved by our emotions, and our emotions are enslaved by our feelings. And sometimes we sort of placate those emotions by drowning it in food, in booze or in gambling or sex or anything that can distract you. And then we turn that into memories. Yeah. And then we become enslaved to our memories. Yeah. And it never stops. Right.

That's who we are. We are an alcoholic. We are a gambling addict. No, we allowed ourselves to become that. Yes. We could stop from coming at it just like we learned Alcoholics Anonymous. Yeah. So we can learn from that.

So that's why they learned from that. So now it's not hopeless anymore. Right. That's why it's so hard for people because they have a memory of all the things they've done that's wrong and they do it all the time. And that becomes who they think they are. So they start changing the picture. Right. It's all about changing the channel, you know?

Right. Change that channel in life. Well, that's what's so exciting about you with this new chapter of your life. You've just completely changed who you are. You went from pot smoking Mike Tyson, who's running Tyson Ranch, who's this real nice guy to hang around with, doing hot boxing with Mike Tyson, fun to be with, everything's great. And all of a sudden, you shift right back into Mike Tyson, fun to be with, everything's great, and all of a sudden, whoop, you shift right back into Mike Tyson, the murderer again. Well, it's just that, as I said earlier today,

if we knew who we were, we'd be very limited. We don't know who we are. We don't know what you might do tomorrow when you wake up. It's true. Are you married? Yeah. Well, listen, you might get married again. You know?

You might go crazy. Yeah, exactly. Might take on a new job. You never know. Yeah. You never know. Well, that's one of the exciting things about life, right? I mean, this has to be an exciting time for you

to make this big switch. Yeah, I think about that, too. I think about a lot. I think about a lot, like, you know, I'm 54, and that I'm not going to be here much longer. And when I go, am I going to be here much longer and when i go i'm gonna see my wife and kids again the friends that i've loved all my life i'm gonna see them again i start thinking about that yeah you know you know when we think about it i was this guy's this guy's book

what to say every one beat away from internal our internal journey some guys sent me that book and i said wow this is pretty cool because it's true. We're only one heartbeat away from dying and going on that long ride of not knowing or feeling.

Because that's when I was on the toll. DMT is all about feeling. The feel makes the reality. How much did that change your perspective on life when you had those experiences? It got me in shape.

It got me this. This is what it had me do. As soon as I did it, the first time I did it, it just blew my mind. Then I did it again. I said, hey, you better get in shape. Let's get in shape. Let's get in shape. What the fuck's wrong with you?

Yeah. Listen, that's what I did. I told you. Hey, you're fucking up. Especially when you think about it. See, I'm not the guy you have to say, hey, Mike, man, you know, you gained a few pounds. Let's kind of work it out, man. You can do it.

Hey, you big, fat, dumb nigga. Get your shit together. Look, you big, fat motherfucker. You're a fat, lazy motherfucker. That motivates me. You need to hear that. And you need to tell it to yourself. The right person needs to tell it to me too.

Who the fuck's going to say that to you? They do. Hey. Hey. Hey. Listen. I was somewhere around Freddie. I went somewhere to do something. Then I saw one of Freddie Roach's trainers. Irish guy. European

guy. And he knew me for years because I used to work with him. He said, what the fuck is wrong with you? Look at you, man. This is not fucking right. Look at, oh, Mike, what the fuck are you doing? And wow, I felt this big. And he sat around a bunch of people, but he said, you know this is not right. This is not right.

And I said, fuck, he's right. And I got right yeah some people call that fat shaming but I think fat shaming works for me works for me too if I got for me I want somebody else the mic now you're like me and I found out he that's and he thought that I was a fat motherfucker he wouldn't tell me I wouldn't be a friend of I wouldn't cool no more if he's not tell me your he's not telling me, yo, Mike, man, this is not right, man. At least let me know. I might not want to do it, but let me know that I'm not looking good. This shit ain't right.

Yeah. You know, because the guy ain't going to tell you he's going to hang around, let you stay eating and fucking hanging around, drinking. That's the enemy, man. Yeah. That's the enemy. So you do the DMT trip, and then you have it in your head, like, hey, I got gotta get in shape absolutely

absolutely like sometimes you say like body shame it doesn't hurt people it hurts it hurts some people to me it makes me hey man let me it helps me that's the guy i'm not that guy the only way it hurts people is if you don't listen yeah if someone says you're fat and then it hurts your feelings but you don't work out then it hurts you but if someone says you're fat and then it hurts your feelings but you don't work out, then it hurts you. But if someone says you're fat and it hurts your feelings and you say, I'm going to use this as a motivator to get back in shape, then it helps you. Exactly. Fat shaming is only bad if you don't stop being fat. I never looked at it as fat shaming. That's what you said.

Who's going to say that to Mike? I don't respect that guy. Yeah. The guy that thinks like that. I'm not going to tell him, oh, that's my enemy. Right. He's not helping you. He's my enemy.

Right. Right. He's my enemy. So the DMT trip opened your eyes to that. Absolutely. Yeah. But that's not something

you want to do while you're in camp. You know, I did it 16 times. Yeah. 17, 16 times. Yeah. Never regret doing it. Never regret doing it.

Never regret doing it. I think everybody should do it. It's just everybody. Not everybody, but everybody who wants to. Yeah, it's not for everybody. Not everybody. Everybody who needs it should do it. I should say that.

Yeah, because some people believe this is all, this is the real world out here. Yeah. They really believe this is reality. Isn't that interesting? Like, once you do it, you realize that that world is so more vivid than this world.

And we're going to be in that world longer than we're going to be in this world. As I say, let me hurry up and die and get this shit over with, right? Yeah, that's probably true. I don't know what it is, but it's probably true. But this, well, listen,

this is what happened. You do this total stuff or any of those interesting narcotics, you have a different opinion about dying and the fear of dying. You start to think, hey, maybe I'm living too long. You know? Shit. Well, maybe that's just another existence. That's what made me think.

Maybe this is always there. And maybe this life that we have, this temporary life that we're clinging on to that's so important to us. Why nobody wants to really stick on to the fact that after we die it's over? Why nobody wants to hold on to that? Yeah. Than saying, well, there's something more. Than really being confident with saying, hey hey there's something else after this is that from scaring us from dying early or what you know why do people stick with that is that the smooth is that to soften our ride to the

eternal life of darkness or what it might be i mean we don't know until we die right yeah but everybody think the people that think that it's just over when you die it's over you the world goes darkness and then that's it that might be right or it might be that you go to that place where you go when you smoke dmt it might be that that might be you don't remember when you were born do you you don't you're not gonna remember when you died yeah i think when we're born again if we're born again we remember the life we had. We're not going to remember this shit. I've always said everybody's scared to die, but no one's scared to sleep. You know, sleep, no.

Some people are. Yeah? Some people are afraid to sleep. You know? They get their moments, but sometimes you say, wait, I might not wake up this morning. Because you hear and you know people at your school sleep having a nice time with you, didn't do any drugs, and they just don't even wake up. That's true, too.

But the thing about sleep is you're pretty confident you're going to come back, so you're willing to shut off. It's okay. But no one wants to shut off forever. But listen, the belief that you're going to come back is magnificent. Yeah. The belief to know that we're going to wake up in the morning. Imagine if we went into life like that with that belief.

Yeah. to wake up in the morning. Imagine if we went into life like that with that belief. Yeah. And you think life is just temporary and that when it's over

you're going to go to an even more magnificent place. Well, we say life. What life? Life is not over when we leave this place. Right.

It's another form of life we haven't experienced yet. Right. Even if it's the black life where it's just all darkness, it's a part of life that we have to embrace in some kind of form or fashion. Well, that's the weird thing about the toad, right,

is that there's no visions. But the feeling's so intense you see, right? The feeling's so intense, even makeup or whatever, you see it from, that's why feeling is so important. We just don't even understand the feelings, the eye. We just don't understand. They even lie the I. We just don't understand. They even lie to us. Right.

Our I's lie to us. I remember the first thing I felt is so insignificant. Like you're just a part of everything. You're part of the whole universe. And instead of looking at yourself as a center of the universe, when I did it,

it just made me realize, like, no, you're part of this infinite thing. And you're such a small part And it's such a small part. Everyone is such a small part. The universe itself is what's big. And you're just a piece of it. We're all just feeding each other. We're all just feeding each other.

Our blood is just running to each other, feeding to the holes, the dirt, the mud, everything. The water, the ocean, the air. We're just all feeding each other. The bugs. There's more, listen, there's more stars in the space than there are grains of sand in the desert. Can you imagine that? It's ridiculous.

What do you think about aliens, Mike? I think we're aliens. You think so? I think we're descendants of aliens. Yeah? Yeah. That's the only thing I can come up with. If you can't explain, if you can only tell me about Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with the aliens. Yeah? Yeah. That's the only thing I can come up with. If you can't explain, if you can only tell me

about Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with the aliens. Hmm. If that's what you hit me with Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with these alien guys.

Well, there's a lot of people that believe that we're the product of aliens, that aliens came down and did some experiments with lower hominids and did some accelerated genetic experiments and created people.

Well, listen, aliens, listen, when certain tribes of people, I'm not saying Caucasians when they came to Africa, even before that when people came to other people, the first time they seen them, they were aliens. The first time an Asian man saw aucasian man that was an alien a black man saw an asian man a white man that was an alien yep um maybe they weren't aliens but that what they thought they were they were just a tribe of people that encountered them and perhaps they were getting extinct they were dying and they had to um breathe the lower, whatever you were saying.

Lower hominids. Lower hominids. And maybe this is us. Because they had certain, as you may know, because I know you do these kind of researches, they already discovered there were different forms of species that's working down to us, that came from us, and now we're at the degree of, I guess, we're the human species of our era. Yeah, there was a bunch of different kinds of humans. Yeah.

Yeah, there was many, many different kinds of humans. And before, they were here millions of years before, millions of years after we were erectus, after we walked. They always been here. We're erectus after we walk. They've always been here. It's very rare that you can find a human life that wasn't erectus. They can find a skeleton of one that walked in all fours. The oldest person they found is 4.4 million years old.

Lucy, I believe it is. 4.4 million years old is nothing. It's nothing in terms of the universe people were people were people were people were people were

people were people were people were people were people were people were walking on both feet then

you know for years 4 million years ago so they never found I don't believe they ever found the

skeleton of a human that wasn't erectus that's one of the things about life is that life is so short. Oh, a twinkle of an eye. If everything goes well.

Twinkle of an eye. If everything goes well, you live 100 years. But that is nothing in terms of the life of the planet. You know how long it took them to build the Great Wall of China? Thousands of years. 2,000 years. Yeah. 2,000 years.

Yeah. Can you imagine that? And that's nothing. 2,000 years is less than what Christ has been around. Christ is young. You know how young Christ is? You know how young he is? In terms of the world, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's how bad they wanted to keep the Mongols out. They built a fucking wall. It took them thousands of years. You ever read about Genghis Khan? Listen, his real name is Timurjin. Yeah.

And he, let me tell you, what happened, he's like 13, when he died, around 13, what, 14? His real reign was like in the 12s and the early 1300s. And first of all, he came from, he's real poor. His mother and father, they all came, they got beat up, they took out. He had a woman, then they took his wife, but he got friendly with a real bad mother, a real, he was a criminal, but he was the baddest of them all. He was so bad. And he loved Temujin.

He just became, you know how some guys, you see a guy and he just hit it off. One guy was, he was really weak at the time. And this other gang had took his wife. And him and this guy was making a lot of money raiding stuff. And he was just sad. He said, what is wrong? Because the guy really loved them. He said, what is wrong?

He said, these people took my wife. He said, don't worry. I got many a wife. What are you worrying about that one wife? But I really loved her because he really loved her. And so the guy said, listen, I'm going to help you get your wife back, but you don't ever tell nobody that we raided this city because of a woman, okay? And so he went back, and the guy got his wife back.

And so the guy allowed Team Agent to be number two because he loved him so much. But he got jealous because the men started favoring Genghis because Genghis would let them raid everything. He said, keep it all. He wouldn't take nothing. Keep it all. Let the men have it all. And they all started looking up to him and following him,

and then the other guy got jealous, and eventually Genghis had to kill him. But he said he wanted, Genghis didn't want to do it, but he said, you have to kill me. And so Genghis killed him. But you want to go, he said, you're not going to spill any blood. So he crushed him in the rocks. So he went, no blood, no cuts or nothing like that but that was his best friend and after he

died that's how genius had the reputation so you followed them you you paid attention to him you you read a bunch of yeah i named my dog after his favorite wife paley oh wow oh wow so I know you've been into that kind of shit like Alexander the Great yeah all the different Conkers

Pippin Charlemagne Clovis now is this stuff that you just studied because you wanted to study Conkers that just interest you

I wanted to study that mindset. You know, and I found that the greatest conquerors that ever lived were farmers. You know, farmers, sheepherders. Somebody that we wouldn't think that's important and stuff. And then as they became great through that, they may have gave birth to great children who were born with greatness, like Alexander the Great and stuff. Like Philip the Macedonian, that whole bloodline of Alexander, they were all kings, but they were all very small and insignificant. until it was one Alexander before him that was pretty great and fought against the Persians, but eventually they lost,

and they pretty much kissed the Persians' ass. You know what I mean? The Persians put them in a position of power until Philip of Macedonia came, who had the nickname, a.k.a. Philip the Barbarian. And he wanted to go across and enslave all the Persians and everybody after that, the world. And Alexander the Great's mother, who was a really interesting woman, I'm trying to say Albanian maybe.

And they had a different kind of study and worship and stuff back then. So he got caught up in that. His family didn't like her for that. and worship and stuff back then. So he got caught up in that. His family didn't like her for that. But she arranged for Alexander's father, I think, to be killed. For Alexander to have the power.

Then her kids had the power. She could lead through her kids while he was on campaigns, right? And when he was on these campaigns, now that his father was gone, he just conquered everything. But when he ran into the Afghani people, he fell in love with them. He wanted to interbreed with them. He wanted to create a new race of Afghani. He just madly fell in love with them. And that's pretty much why his family, it's not his family, but the Greeks went, what they went,

Greeks went, what they went, mountaining, mutiny on him because they were jealous that they were giving big positions to the Persians. No, Afghanistan. He loved them. He even quote, Afghanistan is the most beautiful people in the world. God must have loved them more than anybody. He made them beautiful. He really fell in love with them. When did you start getting really into like conquerors? When you're 15.

When you're 15? Yeah. What introduced you to it? really into like Conquerors? When you're 15? What introduced you to it? I was at the table eating with Cuss and a friend of mine named Craig Walsh said a statement which he was wrong but it sounds really good to make me investigate. He said Alexander the Great at his time was like 6'5". So at 6'5", 300 years

before Christ, that was a giant which was wrong. He was very small. The armor was too big for him. He was a really small guy. He wasn't big at all. And so just that alone, him saying that got you interested? Yeah, I told you, the monster's a massive guy,

but then I found that he's just a small man, average guy. You know, he's not a monster at all, not a big man at all. But you got interested in the mindset of the conquerors. Listen, this is what I want to know. Why would one person think that he could fucking own the whole world? One person.

Why would he have that mind? Who would think like that? Why would a man person? That's not a fucking person. That's just something when your ego's just got so out of whack where you just you just can't think rational how do you think like that and you're a nice person it was a guy before him a couple hundred years before him named cyrus the great he was just like he was a conqueror but he was a conqueror for liberty he wanted to conquer all the slaves and let them go conquer

all the slave masters let them go he gotquer all the slave masters, let them go. He got killed for that, too. But can you imagine? Maybe that sounds cool, too, right? That's good. That's a good thing. But listen, think about it. Who the fuck is here to take somebody else's property, take somebody else's stuff because he believes it's wrong?

Which it probably is wrong. I think it's wrong. But who the fuck is he? Right. Who is this guy to take others? Who is this guy to conquer you? You don't bother nobody, but this is what they did back then. Now you're killing everybody.

Back then, it was really legal. It's almost in the Bible. It's in the books. I won't say it, but it's in the books. Slavery is in the books, in the religious books that we need slaves. And this guy is going to say, hey, no more slaves. He's 500 BC, so he's going to say no more slaves. No more. Slavery is wrong through the whole world. he's 500 BC so he's gonna say no more slaves no more slavery

is wrong out through the whole world so he wants to conquer the world and free all the slaves wow so that's just

a different mindset yeah they're different kinds of mindsets that these conquerors had but who who do you think he is who the hell is he

he has his little town over here how he's gonna go over the whole world his town is right here well forget his town his country is over here. How he's going to go over the whole world? His town is right here. Well, forget his town. His country is right here. Yeah.

You know? And he didn't even conquer this country, and now he's going to conquer the world and liberate freedom, make freedom. What kind of guy? Now, listen. If that's not somebody on drugs, you tell me. No. You tell me. Now, be honest.

If that's not somebody high, you tell me. It could be coke. No, nigga. it's something. It's something. I'm going to free everybody. Right. At 500 BC, slavery is what it is. This is the way of the world.

No, I'm going to free all the slaves. That's pretty crazy. I'm going to free everybody. What did you get out of reading about their mindset? Like studying Temujin, studying Alexander the Great. What did you get out of reading about their mindset? Studying Temujin, studying Alexander the Great, what did you get out of reading about their mindsets? I found out that the greatest ones, the best, the most politic ones, were all mama's boys.

Really? Yeah, afraid of their mother. Wow. Most politic ones were all mama's boys. Really? Yeah, afraid of their mother. Wow. Napoleon, Alexander. You know what I mean? Wow. Genghis Khan, too?

Yeah. Really? Yeah. What do you think that is? Huh? What do you think that's all about? Highly respect their mother. I think their mothers were the first, especially Alexander the Great. I think she was the first stage mother.

I think there was some before her, too. Cleopatra, that's just what they were at the end of the day. They wanted to lead through their sons or their daughters or something like that. Oh, okay. They wanted to lead through their sons or their daughters or something like that. Oh, okay. Like that parent that takes their kids to athletic events and screams and cheers and pumps them up. No, no, no, no.

It's the parent whose child's word is law, and I want to be able to have that word. Okay. Do you get that? Yeah. My son is the king. Right. Of this country, a couple of countries. But I want my thought to come out of his mouth.

Do you think the parents convinced the child that they were that special, that they should run the world? Some of them do. But as some kids get older, like Ivan the Great, Ivan the Terrible, they get older and then they realize these people weren't right for me and they start killing his sponsors or the people that were his step-parents and stuff. Some of the kings did it too. So when you were studying this, when you were coming up as a boxer and you're studying all these conquerors, you were trying to understand their mindsets. Yeah. And you were trying to apply that to your own life?

Pretty much, yeah. Did you get anything out of it yeah yeah yeah what did what did you get like what how did it apply to your own life well at the end of the day they all ask god for forgiveness all of them so when you're reading all these books about all these conquerors, when you're a young man and you're on your way to becoming the youngest ever heavyweight champion, and you're trying to take on the mindset of the conquerors, and you find out they all ask God for forgiveness. Yes. How did that affect you?

That was pretty cool. Because by that, I learned greatness was the willingness to die. By doing research on these particular individuals and that's what they were willing to do for greatness and you you know you heard about achilles and stuff he said he what did he want a short life of um of greatness than a long life of obscurity. So he took the short life. And that's what Alexander did. When you study these people and you take that conqueror's mindset, did you get anything out of that?

Did you apply that into your own pursuit as a champion? Absolutely because you have listen Alexander the Great was 32 and he conquered the known world

in 10 years. And so thinking about that as a young man Absolutely I want I want my preeminence to rival the times that in the sands of time. It's not

rain with it. I think everybody should want that. That are competitive in the art of what do you say? Immortality. Yeah. And I'll search for it. That's what he wanted. He wanted immortality. That's what he wanted. He wanted

to be known since, you know, till the end of time. did you ever think that maybe you were born in the wrong time that maybe if you were born in the times of alexander the great you would also be a conqueror no i am a conqueror now because i've conquered myself and my demons you know not because i'm at that time i'm never born to i'm born in the right time most of them couldn't conquer their demons that's why they asked for forgiveness from God all of them because just like the gentleman um that discovered um um alcohol is anonymous you know he um he inspired maybe he can maybe he had a problem but problem with alcohol at the end, but how many people have he inspired? Yeah. That is so much bigger than him succeeding or not with his problem.

You know, what's interesting about him is he was interested in LSD. Bill Wilson, yeah. Yeah, that was a big thing of his. That's what instructed him to have the program, to develop the program. Yeah. When you're talking about they all would seek forgiveness from God, it's so interesting to me that you turned to cannabis, and cannabis allowed you to forgive yourself.

Yeah. Listen, the reason why they ask for forgiveness from God, this is why this is interesting that you said that, is because they believed they were God. And they have had to, at the end of the day, realize and check themselves. But they're not. Yeah. They're not God.

And they've done horrific things. Oh, yeah. At the end of his life, he was so forgiving and giving everything away and so sorry for everybody. He didn't know how to forgive himself either. He didn't know how. How do you do that when you think you're God? How do you forgive yourself? So at the end of the day,

he said, look, the man who conquered the world died with nothing in his hand. He gave everything away. He had no swords or nothing. He was so freaked out about dying, being the rich guy and stuff

and having so much property and having the world like he possessed because he had the world. There's this gentleman that he, well, Eugenius, the guy that they named Sloth after. The animal Sloth?

Mm-hmm. Eugenius. I don't know. But he was like, he's considered a homeless bum nowadays. Today he would be called a bum, a homeless guy, whatever. And Alexander had been watching him. This is how keen he is. He's watched this guy for years.

And he said, listen, before he became king of Greece, he's watched this guy. He's watched this guy for years. And he said, listen, before he became king of Greece, he's watched this guy. This is when he was the king. And he said, hey, listen, I watch you and I have everything. And I'm unhappy and you don't have nothing. So what can I do for you to make you happy? You know what he said? You know what he had the balls to say? He said, first of all, you can be kind enough to move out the way of the sun and then allow me to enjoy my day. And he couldn't conceive of somebody to turn him down for riches and stuff. He couldn't conceive of it.

It just blew his mind. He was so blown away, he couldn't even kill a guy for disrespecting him. He was just blown away. He said, I have everything. And he realized he wasn't happy. He had it all. He's the king of greed. He he realized he wasn't happy. He had it all. He's the king of Greece. He didn't even know

where he was getting ready to go. He didn't ready to be king of the world, but he's the king of Greece and he's just not happy. And he has everything. So he thinks by conquering the world

it's going to make him happy. And he did. And what happened? He turned into a drug. Wow. Imagine that. It's crazy. That's how he experienced a new drug. Wow. Imagine that. It's crazy. That's how he experienced

with new drugs. Listen, when you went on a campaign, know what I thought? I thought when you went on a campaign, the movies lie. They say you go on a campaign

and the Jets are around 300 gladiators or what, or 10,000 soldiers. No, they bring their whole family with them. It's like a party.

Their wives, their kids, everything. They got the surveyors with them. It's like a party. Their wives, their kids, everything. They got the surveyors with them. House builders are with them. The people who deal with agriculture for that time. Everything's with them. Wine

even for they can test everything when they conquer. Conquering. You know what conquering is? We think that's glorious. Conquering is glorious. Know why? Know why it is? Conquering robbing we think that's glorious. Conquering this is glorious. You know why it is? Conquering, robbing, raping, illegally taking somebody else's goods and enslaving them. That's conquering. That's not good people.

All the people we like, we say, these guys, this guy, he conquered this, he conquered that. They hurt people. They did it for greed. They didn't do it for we're going to help our people they did it to take things because they could now when you were coming up as a fighter and you were reading all these things about conquerors you you were fueling your mind in that way and you were also studying a lot of fights you studied all the old school champions are you doing that now in this resurgence? Like, are you studying films?

No, because I think I know everything about them already. I did the research when I was a kid. So I started reading to the, I started going to the other level. So I go from the level of these guys that are fighters, the gladiators, all those guys. So I go from them to the generals and from the generals to the gods and that but that occupied a lot of your time when you were training right absolutely yeah but that what are you doing now like that there's anything that's similar that you do like when you were watching those old school tapes if you were watching like jack dempsey or harry greb or any

of these old school fighters that was there was something about that that was providing you the inspiration. You were learning from it, but it was also you getting yourself into this mindset. Yeah, because I know if I was like these, the coach would tell you, the more you win, the more you beat these guys, the more the people applaud, the more you enjoy doing it. the more you enjoy doing it. And I wanted the people to have the same feeling towards me that I had towards the older fighters of yesterday. Yeah.

I was madly in love with fighters. And if I met a fighter, hard, they would just, hey, who's this kid? Get this kid out of there. I would just bug him to death. Want me to carry a bag, can I help you with this? Can I do this? You know, you'd think they were going to like you for being a warrior. Hey, get this fucking kid away.

You're too enthusiastic. Yeah, I'm too extreme. Carry a bag, can I help you with this? But you don't study films like that anymore now it's just periodically but you know what I do sometimes

because they have YouTube I look at YouTube and they have Fight Lomachenko I say let me check him out let me check him out I also may see

some Ray Robbins and some Willie Pep stuff they have one there let me check this out Lomachenko's a wild guy to watch isn't he he's really he's really

he's really nice to watch. He's really nice to watch. Interesting, right? Yeah, I like watching him. The footwork is so extraordinary. I just like doing that. I just like watching him.

A lot of people hate on him, but that's how it is. He's got the light. When people have the light, they go after you. Who else gets you excited that's fighting today? They got a couple of guys. Haney's good. The guy from Baltimore is good. It's quite a few. And it has a couple of guys that's under them that's pretty good, that's going to come up and be really good

with them. Errol Spence is really good. Terrence Crawford. Terrence Crawford is good. There's a bunch of good fighters out there. That little guy, Ryan Garcia, he's a little hot shit, right? He's a hot shit. He's got a crazy left hook. He's talking shit. I love it. He's like a kid. That baby. He's like talking shit.

He's so cute. He's a handsome guy. He's a little baby talking shit. He's got a nasty left hook, though. Woo. And all the fighters now, they really into each other's face talking shit. They're really friends, you can see, but they're talking shit. And I'm saying, I'm an insecure guy.

I'm hitting a puncher right in the face. Everybody might think I'm a punk and let them do that to me. And these guys are friends that look so cool. Yeah. And I'm saying, I'm an insecure guy. I'm hitting a puncher right in the face. Everybody might think I'm a punk and let them do that to me. And these guys are friends that look so cool. Yeah. What do you think of the heavyweight division

nowadays? All right. Joshua, everybody's good for their time. I don't think they're bums or anything like that.

Everybody wants to have something negative to say about somebody. You know, these guys, this is their time. They're the best of their time. You've got to give them that credit.

You can't compete them with guys of the past or guys that are coming up now. This is just their time. This is what it is right now. Yeah, this is what it is right now. This is the time we're going to judge it from right here. What do you think? It's an interesting group at the very top of the heap, right? Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua.

I mean, it's an interesting group at the top level right now. No, it's not interesting. They're all exciting fighters. They're all going to make a great deal of money if they just need to fight each other. It's not bullshit. It's all fight each other. Fight each other a couple of times. And then when this stuff is over, your guys can say, hey, listen, we did it our way.

Right. You know, this is what happened to me. I'm such an egomaniac. I fell in love. That's like, this is going to last forever. I'm the king forever.

I'm always going to be the king. This is the way it is. Fuck you. I never think about tomorrow, nothing. This is now. I'm the king. Just kiss my fucking ring.

This and that. And the fact is, about tomorrow nothing this is now i'm the king just kiss my ring this was that and the fact that i just thought i never listened this is what i didn't listen to because hey it's always really don't take this personal i took fighting personal because they don't take it personal it's not personal right i took it personal the ego makes me take it personal so when he said don't take it personal, what did he mean by that? Don't allow it to stop you from living your life in a happy perspective. I lost a fight. Don't commit suicide.

Start drinking and doing cocaine and fucking girls without rubbers that you don't know. You met them 10 minutes ago. Don't do these things, okay? Don't do these things or you lose a fight, Mike, okay? Don't do these things or you lose a fight, Mike, okay? Don't do these things. You lose a fight, you shake the guy's hand, you go to the gym, you work harder, prepare for the fight, you win the fight,

you don't win the fight, you prepare harder, wait for the next fight, you win the fight, you don't get the fight, fight some other guys, you win the fight, then fight them again. The name of the game is you stay busy, you keep working. How much different would things have been if Koste had lost? Yes, really different. But it of the game is that you stay busy, you keep working. How much different would things have been if Cuss stayed alive?

Yes, really different. But it wasn't meant for that to be. I had to figure this stuff out. He couldn't protect me my whole life. Right. You know?

Yeah, I've always wondered. I've always wondered what would have been different if he had stayed alive. I mean, he guided you in such an amazing way. You know, and you... Cuss was just, listen,

Cuss was just a hard guy to get along with. Cuss was just enemy prone. If he didn't have an enemy, he would create one. Really? One of those guys. He loved fighting. He wants to fight. If he doesn't fight, he doesn't want to live.

Wow. He wants to fight. He needs to have somebody to fight. If he doesn't have somebody to fight, he doesn't want to live. Wow. He wants to fight. He needs to have somebody to fight. If he doesn't have somebody to fight, he'll find somebody to fight. He must have loved having you as a pupil. Oh, oh. But I listened to everything he said. I listened to him.

I was around him. He loved people who listened to him. And I took him to everything he said I would do. If he told me to kill somebody, I would kill somebody. You know? Anything he said, I did it. Do you think about him even today while you're training absolutely absolutely i think about it all the time you know i mean i think about him all the time wish he could some of my kids i wish he could have probably seen you

know what i did how i did and how my kids turned out and now yeah they all went to great schools and they did cool things and they're just kids and they're really they're just really um sweet kids that really don't understand life yet and maybe because they didn't have a father like i had yeah things are different than it was for me you don't want your kids fighting no no i did. I did that. That's why I did it, if I didn't have to. Yeah. I remember you were talking about your son

hitting pads and him possibly fighting. Like, man, you don't want to fight an animal like me. There's people that have nothing to lose. Their whole dream is about, if I beat this guy, I'll get that new bike.

Yeah. I might get this car. That's how it was. Because, hey, if you win this tournament, I'm going to get you this. If you win this tournament i'm gonna get you this you win this tournament i'll get you your gold teeth i will try to save my money up for my gold teeth and if i win this tournament you win this tournament i'll get your gold teeth everything everything he always um dangle the carrot yeah you want this telling me i do this but i didn't want to But if I didn't go to the tournament, I didn't get the shit.

You know, I thought I'd give it to you anyway. No, I don't get it. I don't get it. Well, listen, Mike, I'm very excited about your comeback. I am as well. I'm very happy that you're doing it. I'm happy you look fantastic. It was real cool to be able to sit down and talk to you about it.

And I'm 100% enthusiastic about it. Listen, so I look forward to seeing you there because I'm sure some people will be there. And we're excited. I would try to be there live because I'm sure some people will be there and we're excited. I would try to be there live. I would love to be there live if it's possible, if I could be there. I'm just going to love this shit. I'm excited.

I'm excited. I'm excited looking at you being fit and how enthusiastic you are and I wish you nothing but the best, brother. Thank you. Thank you very much, man.

The same with you, man. You have so much success in doing your little podcast here, man. Thanks, brother. Shit. Who would you want to interview i don't i i don't i don't have anybody in my head that i need to interview you want to do bill clinton and none of those guys i'd like to do bill clinton i'd like to get high with bill clinton oh fuck you know he has a brother named roger that's such an awesome guy yeah yeah i saw roger before at my friend's house, and Roger's just a beautiful person.

Yeah, but I don't need to. You know, I would. If he wanted to do it, I would do it, but I don't need to. I like talking to everybody, man. Yeah. I like talking to my friends.

I like talking to you. I like talking to anybody. Yeah, you know what I did a couple of times? I talked to some homeless people, and they're very interesting. Yeah? Sometimes I think I'm going to be,

I'm going to overwhelm them intellectually and I get humbled sometimes. Well, a lot of homeless people are really smart. They just fucked up whatever part of their head that couldn't keep it together. That's what I mean. I think I know this guy's out

and dirty and teeth fell out and this guy started enlightening me and shit and then he has to tell me to leave because i'm stuck there tell me i'm gonna get out of here are you enjoying doing hot boxing hey listen um i haven't done in a while since this stuff since you started training yeah and um that's cool too that's cool too i don't think i'm a good host while I'm under this kind of duration. I understand. Yeah.

No, like I said, I could see the intensity. You're ramped up right now. You're a different person than the last time I talked to you. Yeah, I guess. But excited. It's exciting. That's what my wife was.

She shouldn't have told me to get on that treadmill. Really, she doesn't believe it. You predicted it, man. You predicted it on this show. You said, I don't want to reignite my ego. And you did it.

But I'm excited that you did it. I'm excited. I can't wait for November 28th. Man, listen. God, man. I've been working. I'm going to show you when I leave here then. Okay.

All right. Show me. Yeah. Thank you. Love, brother. Thank you, brother. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you.

Bye, everybody. Woo! Yeah, let me show you something, man. I want to show you me and Ralph. brother thank you very much sir thank you bye everybody