The Joe Rogan Experience - #1533 - Adam Curry

Episode Date: September 8, 2020

Adam Curry is a podcaster, announcer, internet entrepreneur and media personality, known for his stint as VJ on MTV and being one of the first celebrities personally to create and administer Web sites. Check out his podcast “No Agenda” with new shows available every Sunday and Thursday on Spotify. http://www.noagendashow.com/

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! If not for you, I would not be here. Wait. In both places. Welcome to Texas, Joe. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Welcome. You bring tremendous, exciting and good energy to our city and to our state. I appreciate that very much, but I'm here in a big way because of you. So before we even get started, if you do not know, Adam was the very first podcaster ever. He's the real, if you want to have a patient zero of podcasting, it's you. Yeah, I'd say that's arguably correct. I would say it's inarguably correct yeah um and then also you talked about how much you loved it here yeah and I've been here 11 years or so without you we would not be here for those two things right well it's really because

after I did your show which I cannot the only thing better than going on the Joe Rogan show is being invited back on the Joe Rogan show. I mean, it was incredible for me. You renewed my credentials. Well, listen, I think you're awesome. I think you're one of the most interesting guys on the internet. No bullshit. I really do.

Thank you. The other thing that's very interesting is I told you when we were doing the show that time, we were kind of getting a little baked. I'm like, this is when my Tourette's shows up you know I have a mild form of Tourette's and so because I had said that it was like I felt really comfortable just being Who I am and not having to worry about I don't want to tick right now you know Steve Mnuchin our Secretary of the Treasury he also has Tourette's he also has a hot wife but BAM well this is of course one of

the superpowers you get when you have Tourette's you get a hot wife hot wife that wears yeah baby that's what you get ladies that wears those gloves that go all the way down to the elbow you know i'm saying yeah the lady the lady's like oh he's he's kind of weird but i like that so you can see him he's you know he's testifying before uh congress and you can see him like you know stretching his his neck and shit it's you know so it's interesting but once it's out there then then it actually removes all the tension and even on the youtube comments you know people like what the fuck is wrong with this guy man it's like you know is he is he backing up his files every five seconds when he's when he's when he's uh batting his eyes what exactly is happening if someone like is there a physiological thing that they've identified yeah it's it's like

sparks happening in your brain and they're not really sure what it is it's you the Tourette syndrome and there's all kinds of stuff they say can help and what are the things I say help Oh certain herbs you know it's get fucking fishy there's a lot yeah there's a lot of people say it's you know it's trauma that the body is held on to that's's very possible. You know, that could be it. But it started around when I was seven. So it could also be, I think, possibly vaccine related. I'm not I'm not saying that I'm, you know, anti vaccines, but I know I know what happened then because my parents took me to the doctor. My dad, interestingly, also had Tourette's. Vaccines are one of those things. So it can be hereditary.

Vaccines are one of those subjects where people tense up, and you're either all in or you're not. Well, you're not allowed to just want safe vaccines. You're not allowed to say, I am 100% pro-vaccine, but vaccines are, in fact, some sort of actionable chemical, right? I mean, some liquid that you're putting into someone's body sure and it's going to have an effect and there's all kinds of stuff in there things happen sometimes with people with regular things with aspirin peanuts yes people's bodies

react differently to all sorts of different things that doesn't mean that um vaccines haven't saved fucking uncountless lives of course they're amazing the people that figured out vaccines are the most i think you have vaccines in a combination of a lot of other things uh sanitation sure you know that's why in new york city the sanitation department still wears kind of uniforms because they were seen as like first line first responders when people were living in you know horse shit and trash people just dumping it out their windows in new york these guys came in like the national guard and they became this force yeah that's no doubt about it if you had to live in like ancient rome and where their shit would just roll down the street oh yeah yeah like oh yeah i mean that's

how a lot of people got sick in those places right in ancient cultures before they really figured out sanitation and sandwich in general sanitation that's giant to prevent diseases vaccines are also i mean how many people have been saved by vaccines the overall net gain i don't want to look at people like a chart but if you did you'd have to say god look at all the people that were saved look at all the people that are healthy but you have to say oh but for some people it fucked them up you know i mean You know, I mean, there is a vaccine court, right? Well, isn't there? I mean, I've met Robert Kennedy Jr. in the past. He's a big anti.

Well, not. No, no, no, no, no, no. He's pro safe vaccine. But he's very controversial. Of course. Of course. Because he's challenging the conventional wisdom of vaccines. And, you know, we have a lot of media influence to you know to

kind of set us up on this path where i mean when i was growing up we didn't have vaccine for the mumps or the measles and i don't think it's the german measles and we got it and chicken pox and you got that um and so the vaccine industry was able to prevent that and some form of herd immunity but you know um the way we had these outbreaks and people are all freaking out and, you know, it just seems like it's an industry that wants to keep this type of safety for people. And that's one view of what is good. I mean, there's all kinds of views what people think about, you know, certain illnesses you should just get to build up your immunity um you know so

there's it's hard for me to say i mean it's not black and white it just and why should it be black and white why should it be yeah that's the thing is like there's room for reasonable discussion without getting into fistfights and lighting each other's houses on fire you know and this is another subject where i think that's the case. I think there's room. I think what's interesting is... Young Jamie had to make the first adjustment. We got a whole new setup here. Oh, yeah, man. How about a nice round of applause to Matt Alvarez,

the fucking king of the world, who put this place together. Let me just say, this is so badass. Thanks, buddy. You sent me a picture, and I was like, that looks like the interior of an Embraer jet. I mean, this is crazy. And then the picture, and I was like, that looks like the interior of an Embraer jet. I mean, this is crazy. And then the lighting, and I'm glad my buddy Drew got you all hooked up to the table. Yeah, shout out to Drew Teague.

That's fantastic. Put this together. And just all of it is so cool. But shout out to young Jamie, fucking VIP. Yeah, yeah. If not for him. We said, whatever you do, we don't want headphones. And he came through for us i really

appreciate yeah we had a couple of sound issues but no it doesn't matter i'm the perfect guest for that you know i just said you're the perfect guest for the first podcast i just had here and smoked your weed you have to be the first guest yeah well thank you it really is an honor and let me tell you man i am so happy for you and so proud of what you've done. And to get someone to put a fucking number on the value you've created with your show, that's huge. Let's not do that because that's just going to freak me out. No, not at all. That's huge.

You get exactly what you deserve in life. Let's just have a sip of whiskey and talk. Right, but what I want to say is you've made it. This is a big move. You you know this is a this is a big move you're not going like a television network you know this is not hollywood picking you up fuck this is something completely different it's another app it's like an app against another app this is cool you know we see netflix and disney and apple plus and amazon you know so there's all these different i I think that that creates markets

and the place right now may be a high value, but place a value on content and people are willing to pay for it. So I'm not against any of that. I think that's very, very interesting and a very logical path and I'm glad that it's happening to you. They have a vested interest in the show

which is what other platforms didn't necessarily have like youtube has always been great to us i don't have any complaints really about youtube i think the real problem with youtube is managing at scale i think they're dealing with some ungodly number of videos that are constantly flooding into it but you they didn't really have an interest other and i mean they they knew that the show was popular but it's not like they were we were working together. They just would take some of the ad revenue, but there was no real... It was just a nice place where I could put it up, they could make some money, I could make some money.

But something like Spotify is a different situation where they're like, let's do this together. We'll be together. So you'll be exclusive to here, and we want you to do well. Instead of having a non-connected relationship like a lot of people feel like with youtube which is again i think it's because of managing its scale they can't have a one-on-one relationship with everybody it's not possible there's so many fucking people have youtube channels right what is the number i don't know jamie how many people have youtube channels question It's got to be a crazy number.

Billions. Billions. Why not? Why not? Maybe billions? Why not? Why not? Yeah.

It's the number one video source in the world, right? In terms of like watching clips. There has to be. There's 31 million YouTube channels out there. As of 2019. 31 what? 2019. 31 million.

31 million. What? Interesting. That's it? Well, in our world, this is preposterous. What is wrong with this shit? It must be much more than that, I tell you. Why does not...

People use... There was a period of time during the podcast when I was telling people to do a podcast and they would get mad at me. They're like, stop telling everyone

to do a podcast. Oh, because it was like dirty? It was like I was... I felt like the lowest rung on the showbiz ladder was vj but no i went and created one lower which was podcaster no that's not what i was saying i was encouraging too many people to enter into it oh oh no yeah people got people like stop telling everybody they should have a podcast not everybody should have a fucking podcast no well this this is very important for me um because i realized as the podfather who you know really

helped create everything in this whole the mechanisms of it all how it all fits together um it's very we're we're losing something out of podcasting but what that does is actually creates this huge opportunity in a vacuum because there's other if you don't mind me saying there's other joe rogan's waiting to be born they're out there oh they're alive right now so they are ready and they need to have the same type of support that you get inside spotify and you know see iHeartRadio and Stitcher, they're going to announce deals. And it's all going to be kind of,

they have all their exclusive and you have Podcast One. And so that's where radio is moving, mainly by the music companies who have a kind of bad business model. They have to pay for every time someone listens to a song, regardless of whether they could make money on it or not. So moving to longer form content that doesn't cost more per minute that people consume is dynamite for them.

And they already have people paying and there's ways to do that, which is great. What I need to make sure we do is that we preserve podcasting as a platform for free speech. It may not be easy for the next Joe Rogan who has a different values or how they speak to get into whatever is the norm inside different podcast apps. Do you understand what I'm saying? I do.

I do understand what you're saying. My thought about it every time I told someone to do it was that there's plenty of room. Yeah. There's so many of us. Infinite room. Yeah. Infinite.

This thought process that people have about uh not wanting someone look if i have an interesting conversation with someone and they're a fascinating person i'll probably say you should do a podcast if they're not doing one i would suggest it yeah people got that's how mine started understand like that's how all of us get into it if you enjoy fresh air if you enjoy you know radio lab if you enjoy no agenda if you enjoy any podcast like wouldn't you want to encourage some new interesting person to try to get involved and maybe take it to a different place like that's what happened with my friend duncan duncan trussell from doing other people's podcasts and then doing his own his podcast is amazing you guys did

like a 20 hour show oh we did a 5 hour and 20 minute show I mean I had to spark up like 45 minutes into it I'm like I gotta get on their level man

what the hell is going on it took me 2 hours just to sober up and then by then we were drinking well we're I'm kinda happy we had a little bit of

yes Jamie down time so we could get ready for the show shout out to the VIP young Jamie again for pulling this motherfucker together this shit was about to sink Tiffany Pentap yes jamie downtime so we could uh get ready ready for the shout out to the vip young jamie again pulling this motherfucker together this ship was about tiffany pentap yeah this ship was about to sink son right um but i'm enjoying austin so i love it it's great it's dope city

i'm happy there's less people around i was gonna say do you know a lot of people here yeah yeah i do yeah because uh i'm one of the owners of Onnit. We're right down the street here. So really good friends with Aubrey and Kyle Kingsbury's here. And then my friend Todd White, who's a jujitsu friend of mine from back in L.A. I don't know any of these people. He's an artist. That's so cool.

Todd White's a fantastic artist. Really interesting. Does like, I would call it like what are those what are those speakeasies like speakeasy 1920s ish cool like interesting this is the art of white is my friend Todd white he does like click on that one that looks like yeah right there the one yeah it looks like people at a party he does that kind of shit Todd's been my friend oh cool yeah brilliant brilliant cocktail loungy type yeah and he's also a black belt in brazilian jiu jitsu from my instructor

john jock machado that's him that's my buddy todd nice and he's uh he's an austinite now too and he moved here from la so he was also an influence talking to him because. He's just a really super cool dude. What I like about you here, man, is that Austin's pretty liberal. It's good to have... We need male energy. We need male energy coming back.

We need to meet in the middle and hug. Yeah, of course. The male-female model, by the way, I think there's a reason it should work. It feels like yin and yang. It should kind of go together. Yeah, it takes a while to figure that out. It's not very easy.

Yeah, it took me a couple tries. It took decades. I think around 50, I'm like, oh, yeah, I think I'm kind of figuring it out a little bit. I understand women way more now because I actually have children that are girls. The idea that a man and a woman is the same thing is like the idea that a cat and a dog. If you said to your cat, if you threw a ball for your cat, and you're like, go get it, motherfucker.

Like, what are you doing? Go get it. Yeah. Like, what the fuck, man? The dog gets it. We're so different. And when you watch little girls grow up and what they want to do versus I have friends that have boys, like, oh, my God.

You go up to their house and it's fucking war. It's chaos. They're always hitting things. The terrorists. Total terrorists. And obviously there's a spectrum. There's girls that are into hitting things, too. We have that in common.

I grew up with women, two sisters, my mom. I have a daughter. I have two stepdaughters. Just always a lot of women women I get along really well I can be great friends with women but real super male energy which is what I enjoy about you sorry

no it really is it's nice because I didn't have much of that growing up and you're so kind of open and nice about it but you also do jitsu and all this fucking shit that I don't know anything about I growing up and you're so kind of open and nice about it but you also

jiu-jitsu and all this fucking shit i don't know anything about i'll teach you you want to learn we got gyms here i'm i am also very lazy well maybe that helps maybe maybe do you work out at all what do you do class do you really i fucking love the spin class it looks like fun oh you're sitting in a dark room shit yeah you're dancing shit. Yeah, you're dancing on the bike. Typically, a lot of cute girls. That used to matter, but now I just want the workout. I get it. Yeah.

But I like someone yelling at me, do this, do that. It's kind of rhythmic. No one sees you. No one gives a shit if you slow down, if you don't make it. But at the end, you're like, I feel good. I didn't hack up a lot. I feel good. I hate going there.

Isn't it a dangerous move to have all those people doing cardio in a small room? Like how many of them are farting? I've never. I'm very sensitive to this. Nothing? No. But often, let me tell you, I will definitely go to the bathroom before I go to spin class. Well, you're a courteous person, Adam Curry.

I appreciate that about you. Yeah, but I have this fear. I'm on the bike like, oh, fuck, what the hell? Of course. That would suck so bad. The occasional fart in yoga class is one of the funniest things about yoga. It's never happened, but oh, my God. I've heard it. That would be horrible. I'd be horrified.

Actually, my friend Eddie Wong, when Eddie did for his television show, he farted. I took him to yoga. He wanted to do a bunch of things. I took him to yoga. We went and did a yoga class, and he farted we i took him to yoga he wanted to do a bunch of things i took him to yoga we went did a yoga class and he farted that's the i don't eat before i do yoga pits man yeah we had a good time man so but no no i think it's quite healthy actually you know the ventilation is good shout out to agora hot yoga

they can't even open up right now California won't let them open up yoga studios it's so ridiculous I go to ride indoor cycling and they're limited to I think 11 people or 13 we need tests the White House apparently has some tests that they can find out in 20 minutes

yeah it's coming 15 minutes you just have to accept the microchip Adam Curry just take the microchip, Adam Curry. Just take the microchip. Well, obviously at this point, everybody is basically thinking, come on, Dr. Bill Gates, just

give me the fucking vaccine. Shoot that microchip into me. I'll take it. It's obviously advantageous for people. You've seen the meme about Microsoft microsoft bill gates owns microsoft microsoft can't stop viruses for windows how the fuck are they gonna stop no from human no i know it's a good meme it's a solid point if you were a comic and you said that that would kill

whoever you are the meme person that came up with that line yeah um i think that it's concerning all this vaccine you know the mandatory mask the disputes over but i think it's really a sideshow to something much fucking bigger what's the biggest thing well i thought i need a seat buckle yeah oh definitely definitely what is the what is the one thing that we absolutely lost during the coronavirus? The one thing that went away, it was right in front of our face. We all saw it. What the fuck? We were actually told it had to go away or was very dangerous. What is that one thing? Probably your freedom. That's what I would say. Your ability to move around and go wherever you want. No, an actual control mechanism of freedom. Money went away.

Cash went away. Coins went away. Everyone went digital money. And we accepted it willingly. Without any thought that someone might be juking the system. Well, let me continue. World Health Organization showed Chinese money being sprayed to clean it from coronavirus which of course we know is preposterous but you know chinese money being

sprayed yeah like in shanghai they were spraying money in the bay there was there were memes as well there's lots of like money can be dirty there was a oh everyone went i see what you're saying i'm not even gonna fucking argue with you about the fucking money i'm not gonna touch it that's what everybody said you can't argue with you about the fucking money. I'm not going to touch it. That's what everybody said. You can't argue with me about something I have no knowledge whatsoever of. I'm too baked for that. There's no way we can argue. How can we argue?

I have no facts. Exactly. I'm not interested in arguments. I have no argument. Here's another thing that people learn. But there's more to this story. Please go. Okay.

I think this is really important because it's happening right now it's really cool okay so that went away and so everyone's kind of you know now we're using apps right and these apps it's all different networks uh and infrastructure you know you're not really you know venmo actually connects to another company that then logs into your bank account and acts as you there's all these different ways it's been kind of gerrymandered and rigged together. So Venmo doesn't go right to your bank account? They go through a middleware, Plaid Networks. The Dark Lord? No, they just got bought by Visa for like $5 billion.

It's fine. It's just another part of... It's fine. Because banks traditionally never talk to each other, do they? We won't do whatever we can to maximize our profits. We promise. We'll be ethical. You you're gonna love it when I get there Joe Rogan we demand social justice well we're sucking green bills out of your veins so we're waiting for for the stimulus checks which is now being

negotiated this is you know people need. This is, you know, people need money. That stopped the, you know, it's being held up and we hear this. It's about FBI building being built. It's about giving states money. It's about all these different things. And then we also have this post office controversy. So there's two things going on. Shout out to the post office well the post office it appears is is an important uh factor in a new um digital dollar which is currently called uh fednet and i think it's called fednet

um so and it's basically how are they involved? Okay. All right. Let's go back. I'm nervous. You remember Jekyll Island? You were talking to Duncan about Jekyll Island. With zero facts, by the way. How about that? If I had to pass a quiz on Jekyll Island, I'd get a 23. You were pretty close.

So Jekyll Island is where the Federal Reserve was created in 1910. In 1907, there was a crisis in America. There was a financial crisis. And then the bankers, J.P. Morgan and the actual guys, we have Chase Bank now and that guy who started that bank and Warburg and a couple others.

They said, this is fucked up. We've got to be able to control the interest rate so we can control the economy by boom and bust, basically, which we've been through all this time. But when they created it, they had to make that the official way to manage America's money. And a couple of years down the line, they got the Federal Reserve Act, which removed our money from the Treasury and gave it to the Federal Reserve. And that's these bankers. And they just

gave it the cool name to make it sound like it's a part of the government. But it's not. So they create the money, they manage it, and the United States borrows it from them. You've heard this before, I'm sure. It makes sense. You should definitely give them most of the money that we have. There's no need for... It's about to get a lot easier for them. That's the beauty.

That's the beauty of it. Poor people and hardworking folks to have any of that. The Banking for All Act is what is on the table right now. That's why I believe the stimulus is held up. Because they want to give people the money into a digital wallet, which everyone who has a social security number right now has a digital dollar wallet attached to that Social Security number. And all you have to do is if you don't have a bank, you go to the post office, you show your Social Security number, your ID, and you'll get a debit card.

And that is basically your entire bank on that card. And the government can put money on, which they will do. Which they will do. No, no. But it gets better Joe it gets better you want want me to blow your mind funny is that you want me to blow your mind please okay please please please so because you're a fan of universal basic income I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna work this is coming

okay so you should really you want to hear this okay I think it's really happening okay I could be fucking wrong but yeah I did I'm just a VJ and a podcast I remember when you had crazy hair you were so handsome too a lot of work you're still handsome but you're you're you're like older guy handsome it was a lot of fucking work you were beautiful yeah i'm young you were beautiful oh my god thank you anyway continue you say that to all the boys only the podfather yeah all right i think you're the only guy i've called beautiful to his face. Did I call Rob Loeb beautiful? If not, I apologize, Rob.

You're beautiful, too. Who else? You're beautiful, Joe Rogan. Thank you. Mike Tyson, you're beautiful. So remember the cost of a Toyota truck in the 70s? Well, I was three, so... Oh, I'm sorry.

It's like $5,000. Yeah, okay. So now in 2020, it's $50,000. Same fucking truck. Well, those trucks are really valuable now. Those Toyotas from the 1970s, the FJ40s, those are amazing. There's something about them that makes you pretend you're Indiana Jones, like you're a rugged individualist with their aluminum door.

It's like a fucking it's a like a farming vehicle like they're they oh yeah they're real chunk they're real crude but you could buy it for five grand and now you have to have 50 grand yeah of course back then you know you made ten thousand dollars a year you were doing okay now you need a hundred grand to really say i'm doing okay let me ask you this why is it that if you look at like a Toyota FJ40 why is it so attractive to us why does it make me feel like I want to get a leather bound notebook and go to the woods and write things you know if I'm one of those dudes one of those dudes where I wrote part if I'm one of those dudes wears like a fluffy flannel shirt. I don't care about cars anymore.

I gave up. It's an FJ40? Come on, look at that thing. That is a rugged, individualist car. That's a dude who reads a lot of books and doesn't need

a lot of attention. And how come he doesn't have a boy? Wears no socks. Has no socks in his moccasins. No! That guy's got boots on in case the fucking

ground's on fire. The guy who drives that car right there, that's a bad motherfucker who knows how to tie good knots. Yeah. That's what that guy is. That's a guy who knows how to fucking drive those things off-road. He knows how to activate the lockers. He's a guy who writes.

Maybe he can play guitar by the firelight, but he doesn't have a girlfriend. Isn't it crazy? this look at that guy he's got a fucking rifle there you go let's go looking for squirrels uh every man has a little bit of that in him yeah for sure a little bit of poser yeah that guy's a poser look at that shit on his roof that ain ain't even dirty. That's funny. That guy's probably a dancer. It probably has nothing to do with shooting or driving trucks or hunting. They just put that dude in a beautiful car and made him stand there and look stupid. So when you get your $1,200 digital in your wallet.

Oh, government money. Yes, it's called a stimulus. This is the digital dollar. digital in your wallet. Oh, government money. Yes, it's called a stimulus. Right. This is the digital dollar, and you're going to get, everyone's going to get this money. If you're guilty of wrong think, can the government shut down your account? This is totally where it's headed, of course. Of course. Of course.

But what's interesting about it is, do you know that interest rates have gone negative in most of the world, which is really upside down? Because of the pandemic? No. This already happened. Since since 2008 the whole financial system broke because they didn't embrace jesus we're in texas let's make friends because they didn't embrace jesus there's a lot of people um and by the way a lot also you have a fucking high quality audience man they started listening to the agenda as well but let me tell you and a lot of people who are christian you

know and they definitely see this is end times and uh and you know it's like is jared kushner maybe the antichrist that's all eyes on what if they're right he looks like damien could be remember the omen i want a picture jamie right now i need a picture of jared kushner next to damien from the omen particularly when someone's probably already done it look at that look at that one with trump where trump's out of focus in the middle click of that satan who knows listen jared i'm just joking i don't believe man. Listen, Jared, I'm just joking. I don't believe anything I just said. Who knows?

I'm just trying to be funny. Oh, my God. Someone's already made a connection. Jared, I'm sorry. I'm sure you're a good guy. Your wife's hot. Congratulations. And you're very wealthy.

And I don't think you're getting a fair shake. I don't think anybody connected to Trump gets a fair shake. You shake you know no one gets a fair shake no matter what happens on both sides of the aisle we're at each other's throats yeah and if i if i was a conspiracy theorist and i've been in the past i would say if somebody really wanted to destroy america and then control it like a dictatorship how would they go about doing it i I got an idea. It sounds crazy. But I want to release a virus. Okay. I'm a conspiracy therapist, so I just analyze the situation.

Yes, I think China has a big role in what's happening, as globalism does in general. It used to be only centered around climate change and Green New Deal. And there's a lot of agendas running right now. So the digital dollar, which I'll explain to you another time. Can I pause before this gets misconstrued, though? Yeah, sure. I don't believe what I just said.

Here's another possibility that I also don't believe. Okay. Like, I don't believe either one of them. Okay. Another one is, maybe there was some sort of a virus that they were examining and doing tests on in a laboratory and somehow it escaped.

Yeah, sure. According to Brett Weinstein, who is an actual evolutionary biologist, he believes that that's probably the case. That's very possible. But he doesn't commit either way. So I don't believe... No, but that's not my field of expertise. I don't believe...

That's not my field of expertise. I know, but I just don't want me to be misconstrued. Of course not. That's all I'm saying. That's why I... I just had to have that caveat. Sure, sure. This is not something I believe.

I think the whole thing is very... It's so scripted, like in terms of... I shouldn't say that. It seems like fiction in such a stark way that if you like if you had an amazing jack-car book about some foreign threat that invaded America and brought a virus that brought the economy to its knees and then gobbled up all the stocks and then kept people in their houses and made people scared and then manipulated and I'm not saying that this any of. You mean pretty much every disaster movie we've seen for the past 20 years

that we've loved to stream in totality as predictive programming? Yeah, sure. I remember being on Mushrooms once, sitting on a hillside, thinking about the fact that every single civilization besides ours current has collapsed. If you go to ancient Greece and you look around, those spectacular structures, those people aren't there anymore, man.

They're not running shit. No. Well, I think we'll be okay, but some awareness needs to happen. Yeah. And just back to taking it from a media angle, which I think you and I share,

the virus, where it came from, all disputable, whatever, the reaction to it, if the tests are okay, if the vaccine is a different... All that doesn't matter to me. Right now, what happened was... I remember this because the first unprecedented thing that we heard was China was shutting down a city of 11 million people. And that was like, holy shit, that's never happened before.

I paid attention like, God, man, that's some bad shit. So we didn't know what was going on. We were all terrified. But what we also saw on Instagram and TikTok and everywhere else was these videos of people dropping dead on the street. Do you remember that? I do. What was that?

Where did that go? Has that ever happened since? I believe that. It has happened for some people that are of poor health. Some people that get affected by this disease, man think it has happened for some people that are of poor health. Some people that get affected by this disease, man, it fucks them up. Okay, well, I've only seen Chinese videos of this. I have not seen it anywhere else.

I believe that that set something in motion, some programming that was triggered by authorities such as the World Health Organization, Fauci, Birx, who I remember from AIDS. They're not clean on all of that. There's a lot of people pissed off about how they handled the AIDS crisis. What's wrong with how they handled the AIDS crisis? Oh, they did tests wrong. All kinds of shit was wrong.

Michael Musto in the Village Voice wrote a scathing article about how Fauci just wasted all this fucking money and people had died. It was really... And Fauci was hobnobbing with elton john and the whole you know was that your phone how dare you the podfather doesn't know how to this way it's fine me yes we could just talk okay let me just like that is that better yeah okay i hope you

leave all that in there jamie no i love that yeah no i like it too that makes it i love the fact you use a flip phone as well shout Shout out to Ari Shaffir. Also flip phone enthusiast. Flip phone is the rule. I actually think Ari has abandoned the flip phone. The other day he called me and I said,

is this your flip phone? He goes, no, it's an iPhone. I'm like, oh, motherfuckers call me from an iPhone. Thought it was a flip phone.

Anyway, a lot, I just need to tell you because you're my friend. No one else listens to me, Joe. Why? You're so smart. They should all listen. Who's not listening and what are you saying that they're not listening to? What I'm saying is that just look at the evidence in front of you.

I think that this is a globalist type of movement. I think a lot of it has been driven by China. They have their hooks in a lot of us, in a lot of different areas, in politics, in education, in finance, in fucking every media, Hollywood, sports, they're in everything.

And I think that if this was a plan, I think that it was intended for some other date. Not all the players and the pieces were in place. Remember conspiracy therapist analyzing it. But a go signal was thrown by them. And then we start. And by the way, New York Times reported 140,000 Twitter bots were targeting Italy

with these Chinese shutdown videos. And so I think that had something to do with it, how the mechanisms of social media were used to get people to shut down. And there seems to be a lot of dishonest people in the medical field, left, right, whatever. I don't care what the president says. Just looking at all the different voices out there.

You've seen them. You see what's getting taken off of YouTube. I got questions. Seems like some valid things voices out there. You've seen them. Yeah. You see what's getting taken off of YouTube. I got questions. You know? Seems like some valid things are out there that are told to shut up. Well, there is a problem with stifling debate, right? It's a problem.

What the fuck? Especially when these people, some of them, whether you agree or disagree with that all infidelity is caused by demons demons wasn't that one of the things that lady said oh yeah what did she say oh yeah the um that dr simone the one simone i'm not sure i know which one was it what'd she say about alien dna there was something about well she had she she has a typical caribbean type church with all kinds of whacked out shit i mean there's some strange ideas

yeah well catholic church judaism there's all kinds of weird stuff everywhere shouldn't you let those people talk yes right like you have to shut them down and shouldn't you have a video that responds to that that explains yeah hey no this is actually what's going on the reason why she thinks that is because she doesn't understand blah blah blah or here's what she's saying that's valid because of this that and the other the problem is you're either with us or against us and it's been the problem with human beings since the beginning of time we are team players we love a fucking team we love being american You know how many people got happy? My old studio, because I had an American flag,

like, fuck yeah, I love the new look. Woo! Because I'm on Team America, right? We get on teams, whether it's Team Progressive or Team Conservative or Team Rational or Centrist or you don't think the Libertarians are taking it far enough. All that stuff is a problem with labels. I think labels should be illegal.

If cocaine is illegal, labels should be illegal as well. There should be no Democratic Party, no Republican Party. Green Party, stop! Stop it! Libertarians, everybody just thinks you're mean. Let's stop with the names. I'm just unaffiliated. Unaffiliated.

How about it would benefit everybody? You don't have to be. If you wanted to combat, if you really wanted to... That's not true. Because then people would feel suppressed, and they would want to get back at you, and they would go more hardcore underground, like backwoods parties i believe there is

an element in our society that is small but is it has interesting powerful uh positions um that uh hate america just i mean they're not left or right they just have whole different ideas and it's been inside this country yeah yeah is it that they hate America, or is it their interest? Like, they can, it's more profitable or beneficial for them. I guess it's always for power. To try to do something. There's ideologies. Look, I think, you're right.

All Americans, I know, we're good people. But, I mean, I don't even like saying that. I do. People are generally good people. Sure. The vast majority. Otherwise, we'd all be dead. Sure.

Because you would kill me. But when you have a whole... And then Jamie would kill you. A whole sea of media around you that we live in telling you it's black it's white it's left it's right it's up it's down this is why i encourage podcasts and this is why i have to create podcastindex.org to be independent from apple mainly i think that's a good idea but however as a company apple has taken the most uniquely neutral approach when it comes to podcasts. Apple has been an excellent steward of podcasting.

An excellent steward. Maybe the best because they're not profiting off of it. Here's the problem. And this did kind of remind... I fucked up when I met Steve Jobs 15 years ago and he wanted me to bless podcasting and iTunes. We talked about that last time. I also gave him my copy of the index that we had built at the time, which kind of made Apple the de facto on-ramp to submitting your podcast

because all other apps and everything has been connected and getting their information and their searches from Apple's database. So when Alex Jones was taken off of Apple podcast, plop plop plop like dominoes, all these other apps no longer had the ability to carry that feed because creating your own index is a big fucking pain in the ass and the average independent software developer would rather work on the experience and make categories and feature who he wants to because apple would feature npr pbs so there's all these experiences that can be built and these app

developers can compete with if you don't mind spotify if you don't mind i'm just i'm just telling you honest we need to have a an outside place where you know i'm setting putting up my own money and people donate or not and I love that structure I love how you have that set up we can retool it to a platform of value have ideas so this will be ready like soon

there's always certainly a concern when any company has a relative monopoly whether it's YouTube or iTunes they've been great guys but we were talking about with YouTube it's managing its scale it's almost impossible and I think people's tend to lead towards though they tend to lean towards control and minimizing damage right so if you're dealing with 31

million different YouTube channels and then you have how many different videos each one of them puts out. If you're thrust into this situation, what do you think the amount of videos every day that go through YouTube's net is? Let's guess that. It's hundreds of millions of hours. 500 hours a minute. Oh my god.

By the way, YouTube's money- You should never live long enough to watch everything on YouTube. 500 hours a minute? Yeah, YouTube's real money comes from all those cat videos and other shit. That's the long tail. That's where all the real money is. We get pretty long views. But as an elite messaging system, it's all breaking down. That's kind of the problem.

Well, the problem is it's not decentralized, right? The problem is it's not. There's a company that's in control of it rather than it being in control by the people that are using it. This is the problem with all of Silicon Valley. I fucking hate them for this, and that's why I have a flip phone. I love your technology. I hate your fucking business model.

But I think their situation, if i could just for a second i think it's unmanageable and i think with when they look at their ethics and what they want to do with community and their standards in terms of society they they think it's almost unmanageable if you allow people to harass people or say terrible words or attack people or say crazy shit about 9-11 or promote some weird things about the earth being flat and the moon being fake there's something about them that like they just want to stop it stop it stop it it's not true stop it you want to step in why do you think that is well it's just human nature man but it's

an ideology there's but there's idea why do you think they want to stop it I think they want to stop it because it doesn't align with what they've accepted as important enough to talk about. But the problem with telling people what's important enough to talk about is if someone has a crazy idea, like, Hey man, the earth is hollow and aliens live inside of it.

You have to be able to say, well, certainly one theory. Someone has to be able to come along and say, Hey, this is how we know it's not hollow. And this is how we measure the density of the Earth. This is how we know about the core.

The problem is not that these people are influencing other morons. The problem is that there's a massive failure in education. You can't suck me into a flat Earth video, man. You can't. I mean, I didn't spend a whole lot of time in school but I understand psychology I understand from the point of

not trusting people I know when people are full of shit and when someone is making a video they're the one who has all the information about the fact that the world is hollow and that there's aliens that live inside of it it's an attractive myth it pulls you in about the fact that the world is hollow and that there's aliens that live inside of it. It's an attractive myth.

It pulls you in. But I understand what people are doing. I think all of this does have a benefit. I think so too. Conspiracy theories, QAnon, vaxxers, anti-vaxxers, it doesn't really matter. The Wayfair, children being shipped in cabinets,

the adrenochrome, the celebrities eating children and babies and horrible things. All of that, what that does is it is getting people to, and this is why I think it needs, they want it to be stopped or people want it to be stopped, because at least people are looking at other things and consuming things and making decisions and saying, okay, maybe I should question this, question that. This does have a way of getting people to be more aware and question more things. And that, in its basis, I think is really good. We've got training wheels on probably right now. People have no idea.

We still have tailbones, Joe Rogan. Hey, that sounded Jamaican. We still have tailbones, Joe Rogan. That's all Iron Man.. We still have tailbones Joe Rogan. Yeah, we do. What is this doing to us? What is this instant access everywhere doing to us? Well, it's certainly having an effect on how we view and

what our expectations are of reality. The way we view reality is totally different now. The idea of running around without a phone is preposterous. The idea of not having a navigation system on your car is preposterous you know i have one car that doesn't have ac it doesn't have it doesn't have uh it's a porsche yeah the little 911 yeah yeah 1993 yeah it's raw as fuck man i had 80 84 911 it doesn't have power steering no no and there's the thing that happens when you if you're forced into that situation where you have to drive something like that you go oh i gotta pay attention to everything you could you can get into a drone

state just follow left in one quarter of a mile on bridge road you're like oh bridge road time to turn left right you just you get into a zombie i mean well so that's part so my not having a smartphone with me is not because of i mean we're being tracked there's all kinds of ways what it's more about wait a minute you think we're being tracked yeah russia or china or maybe our own commercial companies they can sell us whoever they want. The U.S. government doesn't have to spy on you. They just go to Google or 10 other companies and buy

your location data. Is the problem that we gave up the commodity of data? We gave it up. No, we just need to be responsible and create less data and be smarter about it. So I don't want to be fucking... I got enough problems in my life. I don't want to be notified all the time when i'm when i'm moving around but could

that have been stopped had we had a time machine and you could understand what data would be in 2020 versus in 1998 yeah could we have gone back and wait a minute wait a minute stop data is a massive commodity that's worth billions and billions of dollars and we are treating it like it's not important we're treating it like the content is the most important thing in the internet but clearly the thing that generates the most money for like google and facebook and everybody else is is not that right it's what is it for sure it's the data it's finding out where people live what they buy what their interests are, what websites you visit. Building a shadow profile of you, yes.

How much money do you have? What do you do online shopping? Do you use Visa, American Express? This is why Silicon Valley is competing with the Federal Reserve to be your bank. Everybody wants to be your bank, baby. Everybody wants it because that's when they control you. But that's also when you get loans at negative interest rate, so they actually pay you to take the loan,

to which you could pay off your student loan. You're scaring the fuck out of me, bro. No, no. This is what you wanted. You wanted universal basic income. Here it comes. And, by the way, it's going to work. This is the crazy thing.

Now, the control will also work, but the economy will be steerable. I think that part will really work. But let me tell you, the apocalypse is coming, and you're going to need a Bitcoin. At least one. Are you a Bitcoin salesman? No.

I was very anti-Bitcoin. Really? I was very anti-Bitcoin until I sold a shitload of them at like $900. And I could have really— know, I could have really... Made a lot of money. Yeah, I got them for nothing. People just gave them to me in the beginning. And I denied it.

And then when you look at 10 years, I'm like, okay, I'm what I'm... I don't... Fuck all the altcoins and all that stuff. That's what I was going to ask you. Nah, I don't give a shit about that. But here's the question about Bitcoin. Is there a risk in having that be the standard? Like, why can't there be competing cryptocurrencies like why are we so do we have to get committed to

one and if we do get committed to one is there the possibility of some sort of manipulation the same way we've seen with all the other currencies when people get involved yeah money 10 years of data have shown that bitcoin really is the only one that you can trust. Right. Really? Is that true? I just said right for no reason. Yeah. The way I see it. Yeah, the way I see it.

That's really the only one that you cannot manipulate. And all of the other coins are based off of it. Do you know Andreas Antonopoulos? No, the name rings a bell. Brilliant, brilliant guy. I know Max Keiser. Okay. Sure, I've seen his videos max max yeah

i've learned a lot and i and i you know max has been saying this from day one anyway so we have enough historical information to see that that right but that is increased in value no matter what you look at the the us dollar back to my five thousand dollar truck in the 70s fifty thousand dollars now that value of that dollar has diminished by 10% because they've just been printing more and more money. Is that why? Or because of communists? Is that what it is? Yeah, well, of course.

Hippies and communists. So, for sure, the United States ruined the USSR with financial trickery, for sure. But now we're just at the end of our rope. Wasn't a lot of it the space race yeah exactly yeah don't take me there trickery there's no way yeah there was all about devaluation it was it was really it was really quite amazing multiple levels of manipulation

but they're fucking us good uh you know a friend of mine who's a computer wizard was doing this thing where he was tracing um these uh certain pages that were uh organizing like antifa rallies yeah and he would follow the ip back to russia yeah he'd be like what the fuck man maybe russia maybe china but the fuck we had yeah hillary clinton called them techno experts and and we sent them in to the fucking Balkans. Ukraine, we did all that. That's all our techno experts. Right now you have Belarus. You know, people are protesting,

and it's really being organized around one telegram channel called Nextra, and these guys worked for U.S. State Department. They got pictures and selfies of themselves in the State Department. Obviously, some kind of propaganda outfit, but they have 2 million followers. And those people are like, okay, we go protest over here. A lot like Black Lives Matter. This stuff is being coordinated in very interesting ways. With this, it's so important to talk about nuance and not being connected to any ideas.

This is just my view, man. This is what I'm thinking today, bro. I got no agenda. I think you're right. You're also not right. There's also a bunch of people that are involved in that that really have good intentions. Yeah, of course. I'm generalizing to the max. No, no. You're not even generalizing.

You're stating a fact that foreign interests are manipulating our outrage. That's a fact. But we're also doing it to other countries. We are. And we're doing it internally as well. Do you know who Renee DeRost is? Yes, she was.

She's been on this podcast. Yeah, it's very interesting because that company that she worked for actually apparently worked for the special election in Georgia, I think it was, and actually applied some of those tactics. Is that for for sure 100 i don't know shit 100 i think i think maybe that is true with the company that she worked for but i don't may not have been involved in i do not believe she would have been but she's a very interesting person they knew how to do it they had figured out how to do this stuff her podcast

with sam harris have you ever listened yeah yeah no i've heard it's a couple years back maybe yeah two years back and that's around the time Jamie when was she on here? What was the name of that group she was with? Because it was a foundation and it turned into a company and the data for democracy I know a bunch of people said New Knowledge

I know a bunch of people said that they were involved in some things that mirrored some of the things she was talking about but I'm like maybe they were I don't think that's for her She's not the things she was talking about but I'm like maybe they were but that's no I mean I don't think there was there was actually not the company she works for she's an individual you know right as an individual absolutely but as an individual talking to her about all these different memes and all these different companies that were in all these people that were involved in Russia from the IRA the Internet

Research Agency like they're actively manipulating outrage. They're trying to fuck with people. They're trying to make people upset, and it's working. Yeah, but this is being done by, everyone's doing this. But isn't... Marketing companies doing it for their clients. They're fast food companies, Burger King, McDonald's. Are they going to war? They're like slam fest on social media all the time.

They're like upping one another. Fuck you, Burger King. Fuck you, Pizza Hut. This is completely cultural. cultural is changing man they're all lucky that great out is a silent killer in and out yeah yeah yeah go ahead with your ads you like water burger you tried our water burger you like water burger you guys are cute with your water burger comparison to in and out you can eat and. And by the way, even In-N-Out loses to Five Guys. How about that?

Whataburger uses special people to serve. Five Guys uses jalapenos. You know what I'm talking about, James. Yeah. Murderers. So we have mentally challenged people serving you at Whataburger. And they're fucking fantastic. Oh, well, that's cool.

And they will talk about the ketchup. And they recognize you. What if you're in a hurry? Then you should not be going to Whataburger. Go to fucking Whataburger there. You five guys, whatever you want. You do not deserve the Whataburger experience. You can't be in a hurry at either one of those places.

Both of those. The reason why they're awesome is they cook them right in front of you. See, it's like cook them right in front of you or i hate myself and i want jack in the box those are the questions yeah that we need to answer yeah i'm really only a burger king or mcdonald's dude my issue would be late at night coming home from comedy if i was exhausted and tired i did like two shows the irvine improv then I drove the hour I'm gonna stop at McDonald's and eat three filet of fish like a fucking wolf I need it

hey man are you gonna miss your hang there at the comedy store it doesn't exist right now and it's currently banned you know what's not banned alcohol alcohol is

somehow or another better than jokes people are drinking themselves to death and hanging themselves from ceiling fans but in California they're like shut it down

the division part because we can do something about this I think we can the division part I'm reluctantly coming to the acceptance that this stupid

fucking show that I created a long time ago with Brian Redband and young Jamie Vernon has some sort of social responsibility because um i mean it's the amount of people that listen i don't want i'm a moron you're not

supposed to be taking advice from me if i connect you to people that are interesting congratulations but trust me i like you i'm trying to figure my own things out if i'm 13 steps ahead in terms of like uh we're running a marathon 13 steps ahead of you or 13 steps behind we're all doing the same thing we're all just trying to get better wherever we are at any point in time we're trying to get better and the best thing that anybody could ever encourage you to do is think for yourself. Use real critical thinking. Don't connect yourself because, look, people drive by me with American flags. I'm a sucker, okay? I'm a sucker for America.

I love America. My grandparents came here from Italy. They had a great goddamn time. They created my mom. They created me and my sister. We are Americans. So I see that flag. I'm like, fuck yeah.

America, baby. Fucking America. But I think there's a problem with any kind of teams. There's a problem with any time we look at each other like we're I'm a this and you're a that. So fuck you. And I think we need, this is what we need to abandon. We need to abandon our attachments to ideologies, even ideologies that we haven't recognized as ideologies.

Like, you know, like whatever the fuck it is. The problem is not brown pride. Like Cain Velasquez, you know who he is? No. He's like one of the greatest UFC heavyweights of all time. The only thing that kept him from being the goat the greatest of all time ever is the fact that he kept getting injured he had a bunch of injuries like shoulder surgeries knee surgeries back surgery like he's had he had like a cage put around his spine but when he was part of the problem was his will to fuck people up

was stronger than his body. And so he would push his body past its limits and he just kept getting injured. But that's also what made him so special. Because when he was on top, he would just smash people. Just run through them. He's the most American motherfucker of all time because his dad walked here from Mexico. His dad walked, walked from Mexicoxico he lives in san jose you know how long that took that's a long fucking walk and his dad people still do it man worked hard

and gave him a life and then he became in my opinion when he was at his best the greatest heavyweight i've ever seen in my opinion and he was a force of nature insane cardio but his ability to overcome the feel like he he could push through things that other people weren't willing to that's why his body fell apart his knees blew out his back blew everything broke but it was because his mind was so strong right that's america that's america yeah like that That's as America as it gets. As are my roots from Ireland, Scotland, Germany, exactly the same. Yes, yes. So what if we're very sensitive? I think the root of most of this is coming from the racial issue, black, white.

And we need to define some terms. And this, I think, is very helpful. Instead of saying African American, black American, black, negro, whatever we've had in the past, I prefer ADOS, which is a lot of people understand this now, which is American Descendant of Slavery. That makes very clear who you're talking about.

So you can say black, but Kamala Harris, not black. Black, yes. Black in color, but not American descendant of slavery. So you would make a clear distinction between an American descendant of slavery and someone who came from Nigeria. If we want to fucking fix our country, yeah. Yeah, we got to do that. If we want to fix our country, this is what we have to do.

Malcolm X said, before he became Nation of Islam crazy, a little off the radar for me, he said, the only way to fix the racial problem in the United States of America is have a white man and a black man sit down at the table and work the fucking shit out. That's what he said. And I've been doing that for a year. Yeah. Because of a podcast, Mo Facts, with Adam Curry.

But I've been talking to this. Oh, I see how you did that. I've been talking to this. This is exactly what happened. He started calling me, explaining to me what ADOS was. I was trying to figure it out on no agenda. And we were talking for an hour once a week. I said, fuck it, this is a podcast.

And I have gotten an education in his... Does he have a website? Who is he? It's moefacts.com. M-O-E-F-A-C-T-Z. Moefacts.com. Is that his real name? His name is Mo.

His real name... That's short for Maurice. But it's not Facts. Is that his last name? No. Imagine if it was. It's like he was born for this. He's short for Maurice. But it's not Fax. Is that his last name? No. Imagine if it was. It's like he was born for this. He's like the Dalai Lama.

Well, it's like Trump is 45 Savage. You know, you got to have your... What does that mean? 45 Savage? 45th president, 45 Savage. What is 45 Savage? That's President Trump. But what...

That's his nickname. It's a rapper called 21 Savage, Joe. Oh! I'm old, bro. Somehow or another, I'm younger than you, but older than you. I got lucky this time. I got fucking lucky. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about.

I'm listening to country music right now. What if our problem... Okay. So when you have ADOS, American Descendants of Slavery, which Mo is one. Right. If you have ADOS, when politicians say the black and brown community, they feel fucked because it's not just the black. This is a group of very special Americans who deserve to be recognized as such.

Right. This is why they've always been led down the path of voting Democrat, and now all this shit is in play. So that's why black-white is always played on us, because that's our weak spot. That's our Achilles heel. We're embarrassed about it. Yeah, I agree with you.

Fuck yeah, America. I love my country. I love our country. But we have some fucked up shit that we're, instead of dealing with it, we're letting other people hijack us over it. That's what's going on here. And it's not racism that we suffer from it's nepotism

it's nepotism and i'll explain why if it truly was and i can tell you systemic racism absolutely existed in america and it went all the way up into the 70s with no man about the house rule when they came up from the south and went into the projects created by, I guess, FDR. And, you know, because they typically ate their own food. Now they're coming here to work. So the projects were created in welfare, but you could not have a man in the house. And this went into the 70s that have patrols making sure that there was no family with children and a father. Now we have 75% of all children in America without a father in the household. You and I, we got parent privilege. We're not white privilege, parent privilege.

A man, my dad was, you know, didn't work out that great with us, but he did put some shit into me, and I grew up, and he was around, and there was some, that influence was there. That's our problem. Who's running black lives matter name me one male leader of black lives matter no it's all women and i have no problem with it but i do question what's going on i can't argue with you because i i don't know who the leaders are oh patrice colors there's a number of women who, yeah, and they all come from old radical kind of Marxist. Just one more thing. True communists in 1936 tried to, they wanted to come and overthrow America. This has been going on for a long time. We try to export democracy. They try to bring socialism into us. Clear. We do it by blowing your country up and rebuilding it, and they do it other ways. They came in, they wanted to propagate this message, and no white people came, but the poor black people came. And so they became very associated

with Marxism and leftist ideas, and they were basically taken through into what is today, I guess, the Democratic Party and that's not working anymore because there's just strife and there's no real solutions and even the first African-American president not a DOS Didn't really deliver for them. So this is this election this time right now It's fucking if they're fucking with us because of this one thing, for their own power, left and right. Is it a... Oh, man.

Is it a... That was an excellent joint I smoked earlier. It's very good. Very good stuff. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Is it possible that we're in this weird state with people because we've decided that we're losing power in other aspects of our life?

So we're getting more and more determined to take it back in other places. Because the fact that so many people have been denied the ability to make a living, I mean, it's kind of crazy. Yes. a living i mean it's kind of crazy yes i mean i don't know what to think about it but it seems to me that if i'm allowed to go to certain essential businesses with a mask on and no one's dying i mean if i'm going to a supermarket and everyone's wearing a mask everybody seems okay right and scientists seem to think they're okay like at what point in time do we allow that for everywhere and at what point in time do we allow people to take chances? We allow people to flip dirt bikes.

We allow people to fucking jump out of helicopters. We allow people to do all kinds of crazy shit. We allow people to wingsuit. Why don't we allow people to not wear a mask? Why don't we allow people to open up their business? Why don't we allow people to do whatever they want to do? Is it really the right... and the idea is well you have to protect the other people. I agree you do have to protect the other people.

But one of the things that's going to make the other people more vulnerable is the collapse of the economy. And we're not saying that for some reason. There's this weird thing where politicians want you to love them. And they want you to love them so if you are leaning towards defunding the police and and and making sure that all the socialism ideas get accepted into major universities and it gets taught in the curriculum and grade school if you drone on enough and the person who's running for mayor knows the only way that they can win is to embrace your ideas they're gonna fucking do it because we got a dirty system it doesn't make any sense and you should be able to vote from your phone right but you can't right so we

got this weird corrupted fucking intertwined system that i mean it's it's all voodoo well first of all every country gets the government she deserves um the question the question is not why do we allow people to tell us what to do it is why are we allowing them to actually tell us what to fucking do who is now seriously we are afraid we've been the only thing we have to fear is fear itself this is a good one it's one thing to say you the plane might crash the car might crash you might get hit by a car you might die of an overdose it's another thing to say some other fucker without a mask might kill you bitch that's some real fucking fear and that's not to be taken lightly that is not to be and they have they have fucked with us over this i don't care whether it's true or not or what's true or not, the cavalier nature of this shutdown and fear and colors and stages and numbers and charts and connecting it to the stock markets.

I don't like that about President Trump at all. But see, he looks at what he calls the economy. I don't know if he's behind this digital dollar or not, but I think we're all going to be taken care of. The 10 million are going to be on a universal basic income and that's going to happen. I'm not worried about that, but what are we left with and just where do we go from there

is going to be the question because what is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' slogan? Do you know what their slogan is? Brain damage in prison time? Fuck, it should be. Build back better so that's pretty that's pretty clever okay it's so clever that the same slogan is used by the united nations the um the green new deal organization, 350.org. Boris Johnson is using it as his campaign.

François Macron using it as his campaign. Justin Trudeau, build back better. This is a globalist plan. Build back better. What does that mean? This is a globalist plan. It means we're going to shut down all coal and gas and fracking, and we're going, as much as possible, the transition to solar and wind.

Doesn't that sound like a good idea if it's feasible? Yeah, I don't think it's feasible. But what is being promised with the Green New Deal is we will create good-paying green new jobs. Now, that's just a philosophy. Whether you think it's good or not right now, I don't think so. But for sure, I know that Bill Gates, who's a big part of this Green New Deal, that he's investing in nuclear plants.

Because when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow, you need some power and it's going to come from his nuclear plants. How does Bill Gates have any ambition left oh man maybe he's being blackmailed what do you think he knows no i think he's being blackmailed of stuff he's done i i don't know if he showed up without a sweater allegedly yeah someone's got a picture of him with a tank top on doing doing the fucking most muscular yeah you can't this is another thing man this whole epstein business this has gotten millennials what's that bill gates meets with jeffrey epstein many times despite his past so this has gotten everyone nuts

the kids are going like ah that guy and you know this is it's good though because there's something there obviously there's obviously something there's something there, obviously. There's obviously something there. Obviously something there. Who the fuck knows where it is? Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Stop. You seem to be one of those guys who's really into conspiracies.

No. Let me break this down. I analyze it. Let me break this down. There's no way there's anything more to what you're seeing in the news. When it comes to a story, excuse me, please, sir, to what you're seeing in the news. When it comes to a story,

excuse me, please, sir, about a man who traveled to Fuck Island with Bill Clinton 26 times. Did he fly with Bill 26 times or did he travel to Fuck Island? The government just fined me. They just took the money straight out of my digital dollar wallet. Yeah, you thought you were fucking free with that flip phone. Son, you're connected to the internet.

This is what's so beautiful man you're you're in the universe i'm in the universe yes you know dave rubin's in the universe ben shapiro's in the universe alex jones is in the universe the people are there's a whole new structure yes it we had we're out of control we don't know what the fuck they're doing they're going to try and control all of us one way or the other yes but the internet we pretty much have that we got free reign man we do but we don't got it now we got so much we have a lot but there's also a lot of censorship i mean you don't need any of that you set up mastodon you got your own network you don't social you don't need any but let's be realistic when it comes down to it jo For sure. But there's a lot of people that had prominent voices that are silenced.

Yeah. Right? But they're now very prominent in a much smaller circle. I'm prominent in a circle. It got bigger once I visited you, and I hope that yours got bigger as well. And the two can be completely unaware of each other. And crossovers happen, and the network starts to grow it's a whole new way of communicating no i understand that and i agree i know you appreciate it what's

happening before that you're that you're but there's certain people that just get banned forever from some social media platforms yeah but not from other ones that's my point yeah but in this environment shouldn't we take into account, like if you were going to ban someone, if you were going to say, listen, there's a rational expectation that a person should be able to say your beliefs are not in line with theirs. They're going to kick you off this business that they own. Sure.

But when it gets to be YouTube and you got 31 million subscribers and how many hours? 500 hours a minute. 500 hours a minute. Yeah. It's such a pipeline. Like, you can't tell me

you're really monitoring this thing correctly. It's not possible. No, of course it's not. That's why everything has to be distributed. It has to break apart.

I think there should be much more stringent rules on whether or not you can ban someone oh i so don't give a flying fuck about what facebook or youtube or google do it's so unimportant in the vast scale of what we can do i understand that and i agree but in the individual the person who has the YouTube channel, who has earned this position of prominence and got screwed, that's not fair. No, it's not fair. It's also not rational that they could just do it.

They don't have to go through a lengthy court proceeding. They could just remove your income. A couple of things. I believe on the commercial platforms that we're talking about in this case, the problem is the business model. Advertisers don't like controversy. In this case, the problem is the business model. Advertisers don't like controversy.

Advertising has gone down drastically since the word coronavirus or COVID-19 was blocked because they didn't want controversy. So that's the reason why these networks do it. I don't think they, yes, there's people who ban conservatives specifically, but that's because of the elite messaging system, the mainstream media, also the pharmaceutical industry, a lot of finance, is this message. So that's what advertisers want. Look at the pussies that the NBA are and Nike and how they kowtow to everybody. Yes, I said it. Look at how they kowtow and what they will and will not allow. So that's all money-based. Very capitalistic, by the way that's totally

cool but now we go to the way you and i were raised you what you're 50 you're 52 53 now i'm 56 tomorrow basically halfway dead i want to be 106 i got it i'm gonna be 98 that's my that's my target 98 yeah Why that number? I don't know. Well, my grandparents both lived to 98, my paternal grandparents. The reason why I brought up Gavin is that I think that I have had a couple podcasts with him, and people have had weird conversations with me about it. And this is one of the things that I've said.

I was like, look, that guy's mostly fun. Yeah. Mostly fun. me about it and i've said this is one of the things that i said i was like look that guy's mostly fun yeah mostly fun and like anybody that does wild shit you can get lost in the woods and if you get lost in the woods of race or or or or whether or not uh people should be able able to uh able to do drugs or whether or not people should get paid a minimum wage that's a livable wage you get lost in the woods in any ideology and it becomes a problem let's go back for whatever reason when when someone shifts one way or another and we conflict with those those ideas we never give anybody any room for for just

being a person most of the time i've been around that guy he's a nice guy right but let's go to the basics of how i there's two things I was taught growing up sticks and stones will break my bones names will never hurt me secondary I will defend names are fucking terrible they're so mean

and I can pinpoint when that happened too so we had that and then the I don't like what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it These were the two core values that I was raised with That's what I'm talking about That's what I'm talking about with everybody Whether it's Alex Jones, Gavin McGinnis

And that is our constitutional deal Yes That's the deal And this includes Louis Farrakhan This includes everyone Everybody Mitch O'Connell. Everybody.

Tell me what you think, bro. Exactly. Everybody. Right? All of them. And this is so important. The moment we stop other people from expressing their opinions, first of all, we are coddling everybody else.

Stop. This is where it happened. This is where it happened. We're trying to pretend that other people are dumber than us. Like, I know. I know that that preacher's full of shit. But I need to protect you, Adam Curry, because you might just give up your money for this one person because he needs a new jet. Okay.

Right? So this started about six years ago when hate speech came into the conversation and bullying. And bullying became bullying laws, which I remember because we were doing the show. And we're like, this is an actual First Amendment violation to create a law that says you can't say something mean about somebody else. That's bullshit. Now, it may not be nice. It may not be appropriate in the setting. It may not be according to the setting it may not according to the school

rules but actual laws were created so now we have hate speech and hate crimes which is really undefinable but it's all it's all sadly all geared towards controlling what the fuck you can say well it's it's a natural human instinct when you have power to exert it yeah it's natural yeah it's why there's alphas we're too good man we're we're nice fucking people and we let us men be treated as doofuses in every single commercial every tv show oh sorry honey i got the wrong washing powder do you know why we do that because we want to fuck and we want i know we got to get over that shit the wife got to get over that shit i'm sorry once you learn no once you learn that that woman is just as sex crazed as you are she just has a different way of expressing it once you figure that out and you play that game

and they play your game and don't you know the game and you're fucking equal bro and that's when sparks fly i found that i'm telling you i found that with my wife when that shit happens that's when sparks fly. I found that. I'm telling you, I found that with my wife. When that shit happens, that's it. And this is what happened with Donald Trump. This is what I truly believe happened. I agree with you, by the way. I'm joking around. I know you do. I know you do.

I love that you give me shit because it makes it all coded, and people who are really listening will get it. People are like, he's a supporter of Gavin McGinnis. I'm a supporter of human beings. They got triggered two hours ago. I'm also a supporter of people that are radically left-wing that I don't agree with. I think a lot of them just need hugs. We need to be embraced by our community.

We dig our heels in and we fight against anyone that we think opposes our safety, our security, and our comfort, and our ability to feel loved and to be happy. Here's where you, in particular, can change the world. Jesus Christ. I want to lay it on you, bro. Yes, you can change the world. Fucking podfather. And just by the way, shout out to Texas Silver Star Whiskey. Yee-haw, motherfucker.

That's very good. It's good shit. It's very smooth. What can I do to save the world? I feel like I'm in a Watchmen movie. Before all this BLM stuff came in, it was toxic masculinity. And a lot of it, of course, Me Too, and a lot of it Absolutely Right. And there's a lot of that of course me too and a lot of it absolutely right and there's a lot of that bullshit but yeah we let we let them cut our our gonads off and we need to stand up a little bit

not that women can't do what we need to do right now which is take control the fucking situation in more ways than one but we need to help shepherd them i know a lot of badass women so do you who could fuck anything and anybody up and they're great and they could be great leaders but we need to shepherd the whole civilization of men and women in particular men and men with their families particularly in ados that's where we need to see this happen and that's why trump is going to probably sweep the election with a male black vote who are sick of this shit and they see it and their gonads dropped they went you know what fuck yeah and so it's this is not a bad thing this is very very good it's very good it's controversial i'm sure because people just don't like to hear that

and i and you know i'm like you man lgbt lgbtqia pk plus i know the whole fucking acronym forwards and backwards i grew up in amsterdam hello but i'm anti-war you know i i don't like spending like a motherfucker with the government i don't want want a digital dollar, but I do want love and peace and everything that we can have. It doesn't have to be either or, right? It doesn't have to be either or. Why? I vote across the board.

I'm like, oh, that guy, her, here in Austin, no matter who's up there, I'm against them. The kind of prejudice that I receive is so minimal. Oh, really? It's offensive if you discuss it.

Really? But one prejudice that I've always encountered is that I'm a bro. What the fuck is that? But it's valid. It's the thing. So? If I was someone who wasn't a bro and I saw me, I'd be like, that guy's a bro. It's not bad that they look at it that way.

In a sense, it's their job. If you're going to mock the opposing idea and the opposing idea is easily mockable, as am I, you're supposed to do it. It's mean. It doesn't feel mean. No, but it is. It is.

It's mean. It doesn't feel mean. I'm okay. Okay. I just work out a lot. I go through it all. Like, whatever they're throwing at me, I burn it off. It doesn't feel mean.

Yeah. Because I was them. I've been that person who was disenfranchised and lonely and disconnected and didn't have, like, real close friends and didn't have a real community where I could say, I'm protected, I'm connected. I didn't have that. So I understand all sorts of weird, unnecessary anger that people have. But my perspective is we have to look at the world that we exist in currently

as a series of pipelines to your consciousness. And you have to limit the amount of entries because there's only a certain amount of bandwidth that you have to managing life. And if you have a thing you love, whether that thing is you are a songwriter and a singer, Whether that thing is you are a songwriter and a singer, and you have these thoughts, these emotions that you wish you could figure out a way where other people could see the beauty in your perspective, and to put it through a song that rhymes with the perfect notes on a guitar, and just get into someone's consciousness and make them feel better. You want to do that, right?

And this is what it is to be a person what this is a lot of kids 20 to 30 i just call them kids are doing this now they're disconnecting they're unhooking they're getting flip phones they got no cable subscription and this is because they're poor this is the best no it's income disparity best You have to eat the rich. I know several homeless guys, and they all have phones. And they have data plans, and it's no problem. You can be homeless in America with a smartphone. In L.A., that's the real problem. You can camp.

It's the same here right now. Minnesota doesn't have a whole lot of homeless people that make it in the winter. No, no, no. It's too hard out there. You've got to get a job no this is this is a a dumb idea the way austin went about this austin is not the worst la is way dumber la is preposterous it's so sad what what has happened to all of california la has so sad boulder colorado inside of it yeah but homeless people. Yeah, homeless, yeah.

I mean, they don't even know what the numbers are. They were 70,000 when the economy was booming. When the economy was at its peak a couple of years ago, there was 70,000 homeless people in Los Angeles. What's the current estimate? But I think we talked about this before, that the primary cause of homelessness is catastrophic loss of family. There's that, but there's also drug addiction.

But that comes along with it. But, yeah, maybe a lot of people are abused. There's a lot of factors. But I think a severe perturbance of your development emotionally psychologically as a child contributes greatly to you being a homeless person even drug users are a community yes so then they have their own community of drug use and scoring and whatever else but it's still a community i was under the bridge once uh one of them uh underpasses that was a campground and i was looking at these dudes just hanging out talking to each other.

I'm like, if you didn't have nothing, this might be a better place to be. I want to take you to Community First Village here, just a little bit outside of Austin. Are you trying to give me tuberculosis or some other sort of? Yeah. What disease is it? It'll blow your mind when you see this. Typhus.

This is just small, tiny homes. Okay. This is a nonprofit that set it up, and they're getting people back on their feet in their community in their own community there's no policing it's it's really magical what's happening there this was my um reason why i thought that uh universal basic income is a good idea what what i i thought of is not not impossible, like, you could live off of it, sort of, but it's a struggle. Just enough so you can get by.

That's the idea. That's the idea. Just say, listen, there's something wrong if bankers can make a trillion dollars a month. Like, whatever the fuck the number is, there's something wrong. Like, how about we do this let's figure out a way to organize taxes so that people get enough so that no one in america has to starve to death if we were kind people who are truly patriotic the number one goal would be no one who lives in amer should starve to death, right?

Correct. That's number one. And then from there, we move on to other things. Right. That's a good way to start. And I'm here to tell you again, it's coming. And I think the number will be $2,400 to $2,500 a month. And anyone who has or is making less than $75,000 will get that.

That's ridiculous. It's going to happen. But if you make more than $50,000 a year, shouldn't you be on your own? Like, listen, bro. Help the system out. Disconnect. You want to try living in Austin on $50,000 a year? I like tent living.

Yeah, well, okay. You're in. Buy batteries. You're in. You're in. You're in. Well, in that case, you're in. Yeah, well, okay. You're in. I buy batteries. You're in. You're in. You're in. Well, in that case, you're in. No, you're right.

But what I'm saying is we don't want people starving to death. No. We don't want people ever being in a situation where they don't know where they're going to get shelter. Okay, so here's another. Hold on. here's another here's but but hold on but is the situation where it's at because of unintended uncontrollable circumstances like covet where everybody's like what the fuck who who who would have told you you need to have a year supply of money and food no nobody would have told you that right but that's where we are's our mentality. So you can't blame those people.

It's our mentality, our mentality, which went away from true community, helping each other. Often that was situated around a church. That's why we have nuns still, kind of with the hospital services, all kinds of services, barter services with the butcher

if you only had wheat, et cetera. And we've moved towards this man in the middle hey my fucking neighbor's an asshole we don't go over anymore and talk to the neighbor and say bro can we talk no hello 9-1-1 my neighbor's being an asshole everything we have a goddamn middleman for that is our own fault we need to realize that that we do need to communicate peer-to-peer at some point to have you can't have a community if you're only talking through lawyers and and that's true meetings and but every now and then you get a neighbor like Rand Paul Rand Paul's neighbor fucking tackles you and breaks your ribs what do you do yeah that can happen

what do you do with that guy you need to have someone you can call no I'm not against that I'm not against that I'm just saying but so that neighbor he didn't call the police and say ran paul's a fucking right-wing racist or whatever he went over there and beat his ass and that's sad but ran paul should have shot his ass well no no no yes yes he attacked him from behind yes yes took him down from behind and broke his ribs regardless he should have shot him later you get my point that everything here every covid sneeze has a lawyer attached to it everything's a fucking legal affair we're always deal i'm sure in all deals you've done there's a manager and lawyers and accountants and like and that motherfucker

goes down the line and if you know you know if i could just sit with the guy for two minutes like bro let's do this right now entanglements things get the way of the world deeper and deeper that's what's so beautiful about life and this is a great time well it's a great time to be a podcaster it's beautiful about life because all of these things that have happened whether it's the internet or the electric car or anything, air travel. It's someone competing against other people that are also formulating similar ideas. I mean, this is just what we've had. And what we're experiencing today is a massive moment of chaos,

which in my personal life has always been followed by a great growth. Yes. Always. Yes. Definitely. Because in my personal life, and I believe in the microcosm, and I believe in the macrocosm, and I believe there's a situation where a thing that you feel,

if you can express it the right way, it resonates with people, and it can help everybody. I really do believe that. I think it's part of one of the more fascinating things about the way we feel when other human beings express themselves, whether it's a speech to a graduating class, whether it's a book that you wrote or a film that you made. There's something that people do that makes other people feel a certain way and we recognize it when we're creating it and that what those things are those moments of of of energy we're all come together in the excitement we can maximize those we can have more of them instead of being in conflict over fucking whether or not ellen degeneres is a bitch like let, let's just figure out a way to be, just stop, just be nice.

There's better feelings for yourself and for the community and for all around you by just putting your energy into positive things, putting your energy into things that are beneficial. It's easy to attack. It's easy. You're global, which makes it so great this is happening in every country around the world black lives matter racial strife racial division very different story than us it's in the uk it's in the netherlands everybody has some story and but it's all different they should not have the same guilt maybe that we should have but it's being used as a wedge to divide people. And I think that we have enough platforms and enough reach to let people know that figure it out, go look around, but you're definitely being manipulated.

And the whole idea is not to have that happen, what you just said. And we have the means. We don't need to go through every mainstream Silicon Valley company to communicate with each other. So that is there for us at the taking. We just have to do it. It's that simple. We have all this power. We're just not using it yet.

But there's always conflict between human beings. Of course. And there always will be because there's desirable mating outcomes. Yell all you want at each other online. Yell all you want at each other online. Yell all you want. That's great. I hope we find places, and there are many already, for people to go yell without anyone intervening or taking down.

Just let them yell. Let them yell. Let them yell. Let them yell. It's good. Let it all out. Taking someone away is fucking stupid. It's short-sighted and stupid for short-term capital this is what i'm talking about

in terms of uh censoring people online i think it actually has unintended consequences of bolstering up the other side of course it does because it makes them look like the people on the right now look at the people on the left as being unreasonable, unwilling to talk. And they've banned this person from Facebook and YouTube. So now I get to go back to my America Online analogy because it's inevitable. This is what always happens. America Online was a closed system and the internet was out here. And everyone on AOL, I'm sure you were on there like, oh, cool chat rooms. Not me, bro.

Yeah, you were looking up conspiracy theories. Shut up, Rogan. I know what you were doing. UFOs. Meanwhile, we're on the free internet going, alt.conspiracy.alienprobe in my anus, and we're like, whoa, and I got a picture of it and all this, and so we're having a good time,

and kids on the AOL went, hey, AOL, we want to access the internet, man. We want the fucking internet, because that's where the danger is. That's where the cool stuff is. And they finally opened up a little portal. Okay, here's your browser. And everybody was gone.

And AOL became a dial-up access service. Do you remember this? Yes, man, I was a part of this shit. Ready for this? Yeah. You've got mail. Pretty good, right? Goodbye. Goodbye. Solid. you've got mail pretty good right goodbye goodbye solid so it's always a dude telling you you've got

mail that's your boss so it's not a chinese lady that's where it's always going to be at my friend it's always going to be the dangerous outside that's where i like to live and thrive well there's always going to be the tip of progress and everything else underneath is going to be but the question is who's right when you see these people in portland that are fucking burning trash in the lobby of the mayor's apartment complex are they right when they're holding up a a fucking a big sheet that says resign are they right i don't mind about this big sheet with resign you can't. You can't be making fire. It's not okay.

It's not okay. You can kill all those people. No, you can't kill anybody. If they threw that fire in and they didn't know that the floor was plastic and the plastic took off instantly and burned the whole... And everybody in this... How many fucking... I think there's like 1,200 units or something.

Well, the good news is this shit is starting to end because Joe Biden campaign realized that this was not good for their numbers. And so now they're out saying, no, you should stop rioting, stop rioting. It's a real danger. It may not be. Maybe we have a problem, just so people, I think you know it inherently, but no federal troops can go into Portland or any other place without it being requested. It's very important in our structure. We don't have a Stasi system so you can come in and fucking kick everyone's ass. You have to get requests.

Yeah, someone's going, hey, I need your help. Come on in, feds. That's what it's for. Federal government is very unimportant, really, in the overall scheme. It's supposed to be but we good people of america have let it come pretty far with going back can we pause on this i gotta pee so bad can we hold this jamie yeah yeah you need to pee yes let's do this all right we'll be right back ladies and gentlemen first ever no it's not the podcast from Austin. We're back. And we're back.

That was wonderful. I'm here because of you. I said that at the beginning, but it is true. Now, I want to know about your other plans. So, Tina, the keeper, my wife and I, we've been catching up on a little Joe Rogan history. We've been watching your stand-ups during the shutdown. You, my friend, are one funny motherfucker and you do physical shit and you're so on and it's just where are you gonna use this creative energy this

side of you in the world i mean what's the plan where does this go what do you do as a comic because i know that pod i know you're a yeah you're a podcaster and obviously you're changing the world but i know that i think i know that your core passion is that i love stand-up but i think it's really important to just be a person and if you i i did one comedy date during the pandemic i did the houston improv i did it with my friend brian moses and i did it with my friend Brian Moses and I did it with my friend Tony Hinchcliffe we had a great fucking time

I met Willie D from the Ghetto Boys Dan Crenshaw came down we had a good time but at the end of the day I was like damn

I don't want to catch it and give it to somebody I care about right because you're a fucking human right if I knew that I couldn't ever

give it to somebody I could only get it myself I'd have a different perspective yeah and I'd probably be well I think you've already you've already adjusted your risk profile

I mean yesterday when I was here I got the antibody test and everything still hurts does it? damn well

I use this finger a lot apparently it's a trigger finger I use it for mouse clicks yeah sensitive little thing there but right away you know even without even waiting I use this finger a lot, apparently. It's a trigger finger. I use it for mouse clicks. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Sensitive. A little thing there.

But right away, without even waiting for the results, you're like, no, bro, you don't have it. You're good. Listen. Which is appropriate. Which is appropriate. If you're not unhealthy. We've always taken, this is the view of people. We've always taken, if you look healthy and you feel healthy, you're probably healthy.

Yeah. Yeah. This is what we're. It's crazy to think it that way isn't it yeah dead now we're like you might have it yeah but it's understandable because when it did emerge on North America we thought it was gonna be like the plague we thought it was gonna be like the Spanish we were we were shown models they might have been right and they might have been wrong fortunately they were wrong yes this idea that it's a conspiracy I'm not buying it but all of it I think it's more than anything there are people that take advantage of moments of things that

happen but there's also like people just panic and make good moves and bad moves and they don't necessarily have to make sense in retrospect we got it wasn't it wasn't the right call in terms of like what we thought like the covid19 was going to be for this country but they thought it was going to be way worse and if they were wrong and it was way worse it would have been horrific so what is the mechanism where the people in every country can communicate this back in a manner to the people who we've chosen to represent us that's not offensive to well to take it into account this is how we feel and we need some change there were protests in trafalgar square the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin and in Switzerland

Zurich and they were completely peaceful nobody with masks just saying hey we want out now we have here other problems going out is now an issue because of rioting and protesting but in general people around the world are starting to say we

don't like this and they're trying to communicate it we are the only fuckers who have the guns to back it up right that's what's interesting right now because that's also what they're for that's also what the second amendment is about is to i in my mind to protect the first amendment but also like hey we all the people here i don't want this and we're kind of willing to back it up so here we are with our stuff yeah it's such a strange perspective

it's fucking it's medieval Joe but here we are we haven't done our we haven't learned our history we haven't looked at it properly

did you see the video of what happened in Portland when that guy got murdered yeah I did yeah of course of course

I mean it's like basic tribal war one guy sprays mace the other guy shoots a gun. My buddy Mo, he says, this is a civil war between white people. We're stepping the fuck back.

And he's right, man. He's right. He's right. But now more than ever, we need to get together with our ADOS brothers and sisters and say, stop. This is bullshit. This is not the real problem here.

Stop it now. Well, anytime you have an open group that anyone can join, you're going to get people that do the dumbest shit to get to the front of the line and the top of the heap. It doesn't necessarily jive with the ideas of the rest of the organization. Our children have been over-socialized. They've been made to be afraid of everything they say. Can't make a joke about Christians.

Can't make a joke about Jews. Can't make a joke about gay, lesbian, transgender. Can't make a joke about... Can't even slip up on one little thing. Forget race. Are you doing the work, Joe Rogan? You've got to read the book. Which book?

That's White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo, the biggest perpetrator of this crap I've ever heard of. I didn't read that, but I read Matt Taibbi's response. Spot on. Taibbi is a legend. He's a legend. I pay for his content. I'll pay him $40 a month.

I'll pay him $400 a month. That guy is doing the work. I legitimately feel he's one of the most important journalists. The only guy who reported On the Wall Street 2008 And he had to go and learn How all this Intricate shit worked Yeah

He's Fucking great He's a real Representative Of his honest opinions And That's rare A journalist

That's the problem A journalist Is that We've gotten Hooked into these systems Whether it's right or left Or whatever it is Where your V vested interest is in agreeing with whatever the people on your side think and say. It's just real dangerous for people.

It's not how we operate. Well, there's another problem, and that is what we all used to see was the typical local news. You see your Today show on NBC show on nbc they break in with the local weather and the message what we saw in um in wisconsin is we saw a struggle we saw cops walking behind a guy we saw the guy trying to get into his car the cop pulling him back shooting we saw that what is distilled down to the today show local level is unarmed black man shot by cops while getting into car right i don't care what happened you can't present that as the facts that we've seen that's bullshit so either don't do it or or show it or maybe just wait until we have some information.

Because that is setting a biased message. And by the way, Fox News is just as complicit on all sides of this. Who the fuck knows who's running that show? It should be something along the lines of police shoot man. Yeah. Thank you. That would be a good starter. Yeah.

Thank you. That would be a good starter. Yeah, but is it that we have this expectation for, whether it's Reuters or CNN or whatever, for them to be... Authoritative. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. This is what happens. Turns out, no. The problem, isn't the problem, there's money involved. And if they can say, police shoot black man, unarmed black man, it's worth more money. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a real. Yeah. Is that a consideration, do you think, when they write headlines? Yes. Completely. I just read the other day. For sure?

Texas mandates vaccines for all school children. I'm like, all right, let me take a look. Blah, blah, a look blah blah blah of course texas has conscientious objections like give me a fucking break is that like naturopathicnews.com like no no that was you know that was like you know mainstream really yeah mainstream like you know an affiliate of reuters or whatever yeah that's That's the problem. For sure. Like, I know that everybody thinks they're fighting a good fight. I really do believe that.

Of course we do. It's so easy. That's what makes us so great. It's the thing about people. It's so easy for us to accept one ideology versus another. Well, we just have to remember one thing. This is the thing that's most shocking.

It's okay to disagree. It's okay to be angry with each other. Were you just looking at Jamie's ass? He was going into the TriCaster. I was panicking. You looked like you were... I had to make sure his back's okay. Jamie broke his ass, and I feel responsible.

Really, really broke his ass? Yeah, we had those hoverboards. I almost broke my ass too and jamie was filming it yeah and uh the hoverboard went left and he went right and he landed on his jamie on your hoverboard explain on the corner yeah i have to only assume that's what caused it but the actual like injury didn't come for like 10 months after that so like yeah it was a fracture an actual broken ass i think i didn't get an x-ray but there was a bone that was not where it was supposed to be that caused a litany of problems

up and down the side of my body a bone that wasn't where it was supposed to be yeah some little bone in the part of your hip that like it's back break off no it's like it was just like was adjusted in a weird spot like if i feel it now it doesn't feel like it used to oh wow like i can hear clicks and pops and stuff chiropractic shit right it's like even though it has a wacky beginning what if the dude was accidentally right and i still hear like right now i have weird crazy pops in my neck that like hurt sometimes but right i don't know if a chiropractor could fix it you know what i'm saying like if you hear the story of like like uh how who was the

woman that wrote uh chiropractors are bullshit oh gosh i don't know was it there's a there's a guy who is a producer of my show and he's like i you know i really want you to give this to joe he's all about chiro chiropractic and apparently you're against that or you don't believe in it or whatever. And he's really like, dude, I just wanted Joe to see it and this is one guy he could talk to.

And it's very interesting because I don't know anything about the controversy, whatever. It's just very interesting. Who wrote it, Jamie? Yeah, Yvette. Yeah, I knew.

I just didn't want to fuck up her last name. I don't want to say it either. over last night the entrement she was a guest on the podcast and she researched chiropractic oh okay I didn't know this created by a dude who was a magnetic healer and he was uh killed by his son ran him over with a car took over the business okay started promoting the idea that with magnets adjusting people's backs to fix like fucking leukemia oh I don't know about all magnets? Adjusting people's backs to fix leukemia and shit. Oh, I don't know about all that.

Blindness. You just pop people's back. It was lunacy. But I think, what if maybe they were on to something accidentally? It is possible. Well, that's like my applied kinesiology, which you don't believe in. What is that? Applied kinesiology.

And I've been going to this... You sure I don't believe in it? is that? Applied kinesiology. And I've been going to this. You sure I don't believe in it? Because we talked about it after the show last time. I might have changed my mind. Okay, well. And by the way, when you called two days after the show, that was a thrill. I'm like, holy shit, Joe fucking Rogan just called me. You texted me.

No, you called me. You called me. That was really. It bothers me that it's a thrill. No, that was like. No, because i i remember i really connected with you it was cool we did we had a good connection i like that i really do appreciate you as being the the your patient zero you really are you're the guy who started this whole thing a hundred percent there's no one else who deserves the credit it's you and you're you're also an interesting guy guy because you've always had an analytical view of anything.

Whatever problems there are, technological, political, you look at it. And when I listen to your podcast, I'm like, this guy's thinking about what's going on here. Is this happening? Is that happening? You're not committed to any one no like cleanly grooved path no like you i have a lot of people who i'm connected to and particularly because of the show you were connected to some of the most amazing minds that are out there and you suck that up it's crazy you suck it up it's true you memorize stuff i have the same thing you

memorize stuff like okay that's same thing. You memorize stuff. Like, oh, okay, that's interesting. And you can weigh that. But ultimately, I don't think either of us really come from any, like, I really want it to be like this or that. No, it's just pure luck. Yeah, yeah. Pure luck. And what the fuck is this?

But this is a crazy, crazy time. We are so connected. There's so many impulses, so many signals, so much so many impulses so many signals so much happening mayor of portland get out of that fucking apartment building they know where you're sleeping bro there's a thousand other people sleeping in that building get out of there good chance all of that ends november 4th you know the good chance a lot of things in november 4th it's september yeah yeah they're to light that guy's place on fire. But doesn't that kind of show that it's out of control?

Something has to happen. What if? The reason why all this shit is going on up there. It's just a little piece of what's going on in the world, Joe. Everyone's depressed. It's like a big old Twilight movie. Uh-uh. It's all up, getting rained on and shit. My buddy, he used to be my assistant back at mtv he was the vj

was a vj coordinator ken and he's he took this all and i love ken to death he took it hook line and sinker and he hasn't he and his husband haven't seen another human being for four or five months they've like nothing nothing came in nothing came out all he knows is that trump has sent in goons to go and uh and create a problem in downtown portland there's a lack of uh of real information for a lot of people whoa yeah there's a lack of information and it's just and not saying one way or the other but but look, all I know, I'm seeing President Trump doing some very interesting shit, and he's standing in the middle of things I've thought have been a problem for a long time. The media, for sure, he calls it fake news. The pharmaceutical industry, a lot of bullshit. He's

sitting right there going, this is bullshit, and while he's still making a lot of interesting thing happen that I don't think is good, he's also removed the pharmacy benefit managers so actually the prices will actually come down. He's deregulated insurance so you can do it across state lines. These are all things that I think are very, very good. He's standing in the middle of the military industrial complex saying it's the fucking military industrial complex.

They want war. I'm here to keep that shit down. We'll sell our stuff. Those things I like a lot. The problem is his persona, which is what... You know these people. You've been around very successful people.

A lot of them are illiterate. Can't even write a fucking email. But they get incredibly wealthy and successful because they have... They like to use you are. Excuse me? You are instead of your that's an issue when someone really smart yeah they send you a an email so these are these incredibly yeah or there with ei so these people the elites of the world, which is really

the problem. They will tolerate a Donald Trump at their party because he's rich and he's important to them. But when it really comes down to it, he's not part of us. So that's the problem. You've seen this. Right, but isn't that just human nature?

Yes, I'm not saying it's not. But let's not. Let's just recognize it and move on. Let's just recognize it. How do we do that just human nature? Yes, I'm not saying it's not, but let's not. They do that with everything. Let's just recognize it and move on. Let's just recognize it. How do we do that, Adam Curry? By doing this podcast, Joe Rogan. We are the world. We are the children.

We're going to make that shit happen. We can help. Yeah, I think just by being men, giving a male perspective, it doesn't matter which guest you bring yourself, and that's important. That's why. Why are people attracted to you? Why?

Besides you being very handsome. Why? Because I'm wearing my wife's shirt. Yeah, whatever. I stole this from her. You've got a beautiful family, man. She's got a, she had this Elvis shirt on. That's a good one.

It's mine, bitch. I didn't say bitch. If I did, she would know I'm joking. Of course she would dude I think we're in a weird stage as human beings I really believe this and that we have this this battles going on between people and all sorts of ideologies and perspectives and some of them are real valid right like police shooting people they shouldn't shoot real valid and then you see videos of them are real valid, right? Like police shooting people they shouldn't shoot.

Real valid. And then you see videos of them not shooting white people that maybe they should have shot. It's like you see those things, you're like, hey, what the fuck is going on? Especially if that's all you see. If you're a young black man, all you see is videos of cops shooting black guys

and not shooting white guys. If someone just shows you three or four of those in a row, and you have a job and a family, and you don't have time to be researching shit, how do you know if that's representative of the whole world or not? Even if it isn't representative, isn't it offensive as a singular event in the history of people where someone gets shot just because of what they look like.

We all agree with that. Of course. The problem with that more than anything is how it divides us and how we look at each other. We're supposed to look at each other as the same. We're supposed to look at each other as just people. And anything that takes us off

that line, whether it's male, female, gay, straight, black, white, privilege, non-privilege, we've got to let that go. Everybody has to stop themselves and think about how you're thinking. What is making you respond? What is it about you or your personal history that is making you respond in a very responsive, reactive, sometimes violent manner?

It doesn't matter who you are. And we all have abuse. We have situations. We have pain. And this is being triggered every single day by very simple things that we can easily be triggered about because it's accepted. But I have all kinds of issues that you can say something to me and it'll trigger me. I'm sure you have them too.

And only after you've been around for a while, like now we're half a century, we've seen some shit go down, do you realize, oh man, we should let these other people, these younger people know that you've got to look at yourself. Why are you being triggered like this? Well, we also have to realize that we're in a biological mosh pit. Big time.

Big time. It's a mosh pit yeah it's not just in terms of our genes but it's also our ideas there's all this all all this battling going on this is just how you know i remember i watched this documentary on the congo once and they they realized it was a bbc It was amazing. And they realized that certain spiders had formed packs. Have you ever seen that? No, no. Oh, my God, dude.

Like a fucking deer would run into this spider web and be like, what's this? We can learn so much. We can learn so much from looking at our environment around us. They figured out how to work together. How to work together, yeah. Work in packs. And I remember thinking that. I i'm like this is all madness so it's all a battle for the top of the heap but i think it's important to restate that we're all in our individual webs we're in you know in the instagram web and the twitter web there are other places where we spiders can come

together with groups of other spiders and create our own web that grows. And sure, it may be parlor as bullshit. Maybe mastodon as bullshit. But collectively, it all means... That's cool. This is a minor version of it. This is a BBC Congo one where it's like a real musty looking cobwebby looking web and they all work together and they jack birds and shit oh yeah totally so we can do

that too and we what is the internet it is a web it is a web of servers and computers and phones and watches and we can control a lot of it ourselves we can but this is my thought adam curry when i look at something like that i'm like that's just what goes down if you let it if you let groups overcome we get together well i see that differently oh no i see us as humanity being able to build a web collectively and in that we catch all the fuckers with that we're done with who've kept us apart we can spiders don't give a fuck who they catch they catch birds bro tweety birds well maybe

that isn't that socialism they all catch one bird and they eat it um i don't think so i think they just i think they eat each other eventually like female black widows anyway they kill the male there's many ways to connect and organize through the internet it doesn't it doesn't have to be stupid things that are apps and bullshit it just doesn't have to be that way and eventually someone's going to realize it and it'll become cool and become the internet of the internet and then people want to go there that's how it works um for sure all i'm thinking is that there's a little bit more there joe there's a um that is some good stuff it is right there's a way that we can look at all this in terms of like

minimizing conflict as a priority and i don't think it's necessarily a priority but minimizing conflict we don't have to hurt each other we don't that it's necessarily a priority. Minimizing conflict is a priority. We don't have to hurt each other. That's what I'm saying. And there's something that we have to make an acknowledgement that we're all the same, that we're on the same team, and I don't think people feel like we are right now. I think this is how the right feels when you ban people, even if they say ridiculous shit. If it's ridiculous to you, and I get it.

You feel it's ridiculous? Good. Why do you want to protect other people from something that you immediately recognize as ridiculous? And that's the moment where you need to ask, why am I responding to this? Why do I feel the need to say this? And that's because of deep trigger. It's also the deep concern that the people that are doing this are going to affect people and change their perspective and make people believe something that's not true and it'll change the course of history or whatever.

Okay, well, that's just fucking ridiculous. You've got to stop that shit. It's not necessarily wrong, though, right? No. Because it did work with Hitler. No. But the real answer is not stop that person. No, of course not.

The real answer is come up with a much better idea buttle yes a better rebuttal you lazy fucks exactly convince me with whatever you got you can't there's a lot of that going on but when we let ourselves be tied to some fucking digital overlords we'll always be disappointed which brings us back to things that were deleted from facebook yes exactly when it comes to this pandemic we don't need to go through that there's many different systems out there you shouldn't be able to do that so easily it should be somehow or another voted upon like if well how about who cares how about how about just we have a place that we go that everyone just kind of pays for

their little bit their little group and this It's been around for 15 years. People will come. They're going to get tired of this shit. If all the opposition voices are gone, what are you going to do? Circle G tomorrow. Adam Curry comes out as communist. Fuck you. No.

I'm right. I'm right about this. I can see the writing on the wall. You have a very strong opinion about something where you might be correct. I'm just jumping ahead. Yeah, exactly. You might be correct. I might be wrong.

I might be full of shit. You have a good point, though. I'm jumping ahead. I'm jumping ahead. I can see where it has to go. Jack Dorsey's been talking about decentralizing and perhaps federating different social networks. He understands. People need to cut that dude some slack, too.

Jack Dorsey is, like, we were so tribal. God damn, we're so tribal. He is very conflicted because he has to deal with his income, his shareholders, his board members. He can't have conflict beyond certain realms, which are determined by a certain group of ideas that just run certain shit. He was one of them.

It's all advertising. We're fucking a-holes. You just pave a little bit of... I'd pay for your show. I'd pay for your show. I'm going to pay for your show. I'm going to pay for your show because I like your show.

It's worth it to me. The only thing is if you had asked me how much, I would have paid you much more than it's actually going to cost me at Spotify but that's up to you my brother I love you when I see someone like

whether it's Jack Dorsey or even Zuckerberg anybody's put into a position that no human being has been responsible for they've never been responsible for media empires that connect uncounted being has been responsible for. It's impossible. They've never been responsible for media empires that connect

uncounted people. And shame on us for expecting anything interesting or innovative out of that whole group, including the Congress. Shame on us. We created this shit. We knew what's going on. We dictate what's going on, but

no. We're just following along. Oh, whatever. Fuck it. We dictate what's going on. But no. We're just following along. Oh, whatever. Fuck it. We have so much power. It's fucking crazy. How many people are on Facebook? I'm not on Facebook anymore.

A couple billion. A billion! A couple billion. Jesus, Jamie. Who knows? A billion. With a B. Okay.

Seems normal. Well, give that dude who looks like an alien all the money then. Seriously. Woo! No, it's really... Yeah. It's actually double that. Okay. Yeah.

It's a lot of cash, kids. Yeah. Respect. It's an incredible amount of money. Monthly active users. But, Joe, just... 2.6 billion? A month.

1.73 a day. Yeah. Oh, my God. If you just zoom out... Oh, my God.6 billion a month. 1.73 a day. Oh, my God. If you just zoom out. Oh, my God. Put that back up. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's insane.

Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. I know. That's close to, what what a third of the humans so you know those are not real people though but take away nordic folk facebook has created a beautiful beautiful advertising machine and i give a thousand percent credit to zuckerberg his vision and whoever else has worked with him it is such a beautiful mechanism for micro targeting he has delivered on a lot of the promise

that we were all looking at like you'll be able to get there and I'm been complicit in that the right ad to the right person just the right moment just when he's scratching his nuts wants to buy the car we'll know it all we're going to give it to you and he has delivered largely on that promise unfortunately with age and wisdom i've come to realize that was a very bad thing to want it's a very fucking bad thing to want is the real concern that that gets connected to ai of course and then it's. It's already happening. And AI is being skewed in so many interesting ways.

For a while, if you typed in American inventor, you would get all black inventors, black colored skin. I don't know if they were all ADOS or not. So that's an overcompensation of the algorithm for some reason. So these things are happening. And the thing is, I believe all, like you, all people are good. They want to do good.

They're convinced that they have to do this. Like you have to say, I'm a racist to be good. Please think about what you're doing. Could you imagine if hell

is reaching some connection between virtual reality and artificial intelligence where they trick you they trick you into living in a world with no pain they trick you into living in a world with no conflict

no advancement, no improvement what we are, we are right now for all of eternity but that's actually hell a slow trickle right you there joe right now no i'm feeling great but are you gonna go there no okay dude we can we can do better but the idea that it's a slow trickle where there's no risk ever yeah i think you have to take risks i think it's a big factor in being a human that's. And that is, you need some, this is why many, many very successful people, whether business or academics, certainly royalty, they all develop a super specialty.

And they can do some study algebra, some others will study economics, and they become very successful because they need that challenge. As all human beings, we need a challenge, a real challenge in our life. Yeah. To be our full self. I think we do too. I think we need a challenge in also all other aspects of our life in terms of what we believe in. I think the problem is that if you believe one thing

and i believe an opposing thing we have to be violently opposed to each other i think the problem is that people become too married to our to their ideas and if we could just avoid that but if we could just talk to people look at this example you and i do not are not on the same page on a lot of things like what are we not on the same page of? No, I think I'm much more, we joke around conspiracy theory, whatever, but I'm pretty serious about a lot of things I said. But you respect me for what I'm saying,

and even if you haven't figured it out or don't like it or whatever, it doesn't matter. You're just like, okay. You heard it, you registered it. Well, I 100% don't disagree with you. No, but you know what I'm saying? But my thought is,

all my thoughts on conspiracies are from ignorance so of course when you say something like i'm just as ignorant i'm just as ignorant that's the beauty of it but i'm not married to it but in the past when i was younger i would have been i would have been married to some dumb idea so just as you can get really married to a dumb idea you can get married to fuck your dumb ideas. Yes, yes, yes, yes. For sure. Let's stop calling it something and labeling someone a conspiracy theorist. You're lighting things on fire and throwing them into the lobby of an apartment complex filled with people.

This is a terrible, ineffective message. It's not how we want people to behave. When it's not punished, it's a very bad message. It's also a terrible want people to behave. Well, when it's not punished, it's a very bad message. Well, it's also a terrible call for escalation. Because if you kill people with fire, they're going to come back with guns and kill you. Are we trying to start a war? This is bananas. And if you feel like you haven't been represented, there's other ways to get the message out.

As frustrating as it may seem, you shouldn't light buildings on fire. I do not. The Black B block and Antifa is completely separate from Black Lives Matter. Yes. Protests. And I don't agree with pulling down statues without debate or discussion.

But the black block, which is really... Whenever you see the helmet, the backpack, the black outfit, that's probably not your average run-of-the-mill protester. Are we in an Avengers movie? Possibly, in a way. To think that it's not possible is ridiculous. There are elements who are,

and I think it's kind of now being admitted everywhere. Even Joe Biden is now, because it's bad for him in the polling, is coming out and saying, okay, these are agitators. Yeah, fuck, yeah, they are. Andators. Yeah, fuck yeah, they are. And this is being downplayed, not being shown to you, because you need that. And by the way, when you have, in race riots, you have different levels.

So you have the protesters, protesters fine. Then you get the agitators, and the agitators start to break shit. Then you get the guys with the umbrellas, and they start to break windows, Then you get the guys with the umbrellas, and they start to break windows, showing you where the third wave, which is truly the poorest of society, they come in to go grab stuff. And why do they grab stuff?

Because they've seen everybody is grabbing something for themselves. They've seen it all. The politicians, they're not stupid. They've seen the politicians. They've seen Hollywood. They've seen everybody steal. The politicians, they're not stupid. They've seen the politicians. They've seen Hollywood. They've seen everybody steal, steal, steal. The agitators, the people with the hammers and the umbrellas, they say, there you go. These people go in.

They get what they feel is theirs. That's part of their American dream at this point. So we have to recognize what's happening and then take it away from just black or white racial issues. This is people fucking with us, fucking with us because of our history. And it's triggering a lot of deep emotional shit. And it's really evil to exploit that. And I think we need to go to therapy. We need to go to therapy as a country.

Do you think this is like a plan to fuck with us? I believe so, yeah. By who? Well, it could be China. It could be just globalists. It could be Russia. It doesn't matter. We do the same to other countries.

Right. We're exporting. How many times have we said, we're bringing democracy to your Middle East? Come on, man. Come on, man. I did a Joe Biden. Look.

Here's the deal. Come on, man. You lying two-faced pony soldier. That's a great phrase, though. What? Come on, man. Two-faced pony soldier. the deal. Two-faced pony soldier. That's a great phrase, though. What? Come on, man. Two-faced pony soldier. I've never heard it before.

The guy's... He's a savage. You got that out? No. He is not a savage. That guy is a problem. It's really interesting. It's like if the world was a simulation,

this would be a fantastic moment where you had to decide like how preposterous are you gonna let it get like i got we're sitting around there we got the game on the hey joe joe i got it we'll do this dude against this dude imagine if you were in charge of a sleep simulation like a dream simulation yeah and you were on the outside you you adam curry fucking kitchen gloves. Yeah. The whole deal.

Working all the cords. Yeah. And you had to like, okay, we got to bring this guy out. Like, let's, let's, let's like, let's do this. Let's do this. Let's just see what happens. Let's let things get more and more preposterous to the point where he's willing to come out of this programming and be awake again.

But you've been in a simulation this entire time. Yeah, and who says that you and I right now, this conversation is not a part of the manipulation of that exact simulation? That's what my concern is, because I know personally that if I wasn't me, I would assume that someone's telling me what to do. But I'm telling you, no one's telling me what to do.

That's the weirdest part about it. You have synchronicity and it happens. falls into place for you right maybe i mean they're telling you what you can't do you can't commit crimes no no don't be mean to your life in general every move seems to kind of fall into place for you a lot of them even even bad things if you think it's if a bad thing happens generally, generally it's because I did something stupid. Like I thought wrong or I said the wrong thing or I moved in the wrong direction. Then I had to recognize why I moved. All those things are good.

And you debug. You have a bad set. Like a bad set in stand-up. It's the best example of bad moments. I can only imagine how horrifying that must be. Sometimes you come out with a new joke. It's wrong. It just doesn't work.

Right. And you're like, I'm going to just open with this. And maybe you have one too many Jack Daniels in the back, and you get a little frisky. Didn't quite handle it right. You feel like you're just going to get on stage and take over Adam Curry. But the joke does not come out exactly how you wanted it to, because it's fresh.

And like jokes, like a stand-up joke is sort of like a thing that you you have an intention and then there's a result and people oftentimes they misconstrue the result with your intention like if you bomb like this motherfucker wanted to hurt my feelings you want to make me feel bad. It's terrible comedy. The exact opposite of what the intention is. He just missed. It's the literal, like, the artistic equivalent

to crashing on a surfboard. Isn't that where the edge is? It's on something that should be offensive, but somehow you laugh about it? Well, sort of, yeah. But it's also, it's like, what your ideas are in stand-up are representative of what you actually feel as a person. Like, can you make a controversial idea palatable?

Can you make it palatable? That seems to be what it is. So what you're doing, if we just take it back to the simulation, you're debugging your own program. That is the definition of AI, that you are artificial intelligence. To me, this is the definition of ai that you are artificial intelligence you this is the to me this is the big joke we are the artificial intelligence and these guys are just like pretending that they got something that's a way to look at it here's my way to look at it i don't think we've been talking that long no not at all i think we've been talking about 40 000 years man if that yeah i don't think it's been that long i don't think we're that good my mom

my mom my mom died 15 years ago my mom used to tell me i said you know how they came up with the with the name brush for hairbrush i said no i should go it was a dude yeah this fucking thing with the and he went like this really no of course that that's what she really said but obviously it's bullshit but it's just like man, that really made me realize that we really haven't been there that long. Some fucking caveman just came up with a brush. Well, the human being. It only took a little bit. This form of human has only been around for what?

Just a little bit. Half a million years? Yeah, whatever it is. At the max, right? Yeah. What's the threshold, Jamie? It's like an estimate. I think it's between 250 and 500 thousand years ago

homo sapiens emerged somewhere sure that's nothing no it is that's so little yeah that's so little

I don't know if you remember but you were saying something with Duncan that was you were talking about us actually being the spaceship and that we are

hurtling through the universe at this amazing speed and all the everything's whipping by yeah and i love that because you really when you zoom out of reality and it's all given yeah we're on the earth it's round or whatever you fuck it's flat doesn't matter it's still a thing in space with this round or flat it's in space we're flying we're moving we're doing stuff that realization or flat. It's in space. We're flying. We're moving. We're doing stuff. That realization or just thinking about that in general, just people just talking about,

wow, man, we're in space. Look at the sky. Look at the stars. What does it mean? It's a coward's perspective to just look at the treetops. Yeah. It really is.

There's something about it. Which is why marijuana is something I support. I support. That's what I'm talking about, dog. That's what I'm talking about. I. That's what I'm talking about. I support that shit. Come on, governor.

Get on board. Abbott will get there. Abbott, I love you. Well, we'll see. Don't get too easy with your vote there, Joe Rogan. Your endorsement is going to mean a lot in the drone star state. I'm your friend and I'm wearing my wife's shirt. That's right.

You are appropriate. Listen, it's not bad. Make some money off this shit. Stop. Stop playing games. It's not killing anybody. Listen, if Texas is a place we can own a fucking tiger, I had a bit in my act in Texas.

That is pretty crazy. This is a fact. This is a 100% fact. There's more tigers in captivity in Texas than all of the wild of the world There's more tigers and dudes backyards. I know Yeah, but you can't have weed Really are we really being responsible here?

You'll learn that you'll learn that there's codes in Texas. It's easier to own a tiger than a dog that's been labeled as dangerous. It's estimated there can be from 2,000 to 5,000 tigers living in this. That's so many. 5,000 tigers is a herd. Imagine if you saw 5,000 tigers coming over the hill. You're like, there's going to be nothing left of me in seconds. My buddy Gene has huge snakes in his apartment. What?

Yeah, he has... Does he have a baby? No, it's just him. Okay. But one is 16 feet long. Have you heard those stories? Tigrit, I think. Tigrit?

Oh, yeah, they have names. Yeah. And the other one is, I think... Did you just say 16? 16. I think it's like 15 or 16. It's incredible. And it's really 15 or 16. It's incredible.

And it's really very interesting to see. They have an interesting life, these snakes. Yeah, you know what that is for me? That's like holding two 80-pound dumbbells and trying to keep your face above water. How long can you do this before those things eat you? No, no. You've got a 16-foot snake in your house, son. No, no. I think he's a 16-foot snake in your house, son. No, no.

I think he's a boa constrictor, so he only... Oh, rats. But he goes into the bathtub when he feels it's time for a bath. He's sleeping. They sleep most of the time. Yeah, it's a trip, though, because I go there like,

all right, let me say hi to the snakes, because it's like his family. I was watching a video today of a guy who was fishing in Australia. I don't know if if it's guy or girl but they caught a big fish and there is like the dangers of fishing in australia and as this guy is reeling this fish in a crocodile comes swimming out of the water and steals his fish and they're running away from this crocodile dude crocodiles are so scary they have them them here, they have them here too. We have alligators. Alligators.

Different animal. We allow those in America. Listen, if we had crocodiles in America the way they have them in Australia, we would kill them all. Really? Fuck yeah!

Have you ever been to Australia? No, I haven't. Yeah, I have for stand-up, but I've never seen those crocs. In 1990, I went. Look at that. I did a documentary and went into the outback and just learned so much.

And I don't even recognize those really anymore. So this dude caught a fish. And the crocodile comes and jacks it. Holy shit. You got to run, son. Give up the fish. So I bet they probably wait. Look at that.

There's your fish, bitch. It's a huge fish. The crocodile just swallows it down. Crocodiles are so spooky, man. so big look at that thing it's a monster that lives in the jungle we gotta do shout out to everybody down under everybody in victoria in melbourne who are being locked down like fucking rats that felt like fucking rats shout out they're they're shout out to adam green tree they're they're they're getting screwed they're playing the same damn script down there only six months later. It's crazy.

Well, they're trying to probably protect people and keep their hospital beds. Yeah, that's all. We flattened the curve. Yeah. They're probably trying to do a lot of those things. But it just seems like no one's doing it right. It seems like there's no country they're prepared properly. No. It's almost like who the fuck saw this coming who who no one did you know and there

was a pandemic department that we had here that was shut down by trump when well yes but that was transferred into a transfer into a yes so not necessarily shut down. Not shut down. It became a biological weapons group. Jesus! Yes, which has the same function as a flu. So that is a little different than the story. Wait a minute. Explain that. So the pandemic response group that was within, I believe, the National Security Council. This was the one that Trump was accused of dismantling.

No, he did dismantle it. He dismantled it and took, it was only two people or three people, and took this resource. Yeah, it's in the National Security Council. So, you know, it's a real responsibility, but they transferred that into a biological weapons program to be on the lookout for that, which has the same characteristics as what happened. Either way, it doesn't seem like it worked very well, other than the president shutting down some travel or most travel from China and Europe and the UK against everyone else's wishes. That part, I think he did well.

But I don't know how well this biological warfare outfit worked, know how well this biological warfare outfit worked because if anything the tests were either sabotaged or sucked or the CDC is inefficient ineffective I don't know but we got that too late and what we got the PCR tests that spin up the DNA samples 37 to 40 times instead of 30 is producing results that are could be a lot of 30 35 false positive so when you don't have any data to work with you're fucked you're fucked we have nothing you don't have the data 35 false positive 30 30 false positive this is in the new york times just last week and so you know just to make sure that this even though new york times is full of shit

i think when they publish something good, it should be noted. But isn't also that one of those things where they don't know how effective it's going to be? They have to implement something. They find out how it's effective by looking at all the data that they get back. What's effective? Any kind of tests. When COVID-19 emerges...

This is known testing policy. Normally, you spin it up 30% for a PCR test. But when COVID-19 emerged, when was the first test? Well, the first ones were bogus, and some of the CDC tests actually contained some of the virus. It was fucking crazy. It was a huge botch. The tests contained the virus?

Yes, yeah, it was a huge botch. I mean, not all of them them but it got fucked up and that's when trump said president trump said okay we're now doing the abbott system you got all the commercial labs and you got all that going because they were just failing they were just failing now but what then happened i'm not so sure that that's honest because there's a lot of incentive in the in the pharmaceutical and medical system to skew things a certain way to make sure you get paid and you can't deny that's taken place historically so yeah some of it happening and the main way to make sure we had a lot of positives instead of 30 times amplification of the the the fragments of the virus that you're looking for they did it 37

to 40 times and that gives you a lot more it's it's it's known science it's just not told well one of the big complaints recently wasn't that uh the tests are too accurate where they're too accurate in in a sense that they're um they're labeling people as positive that are no longer contagious they're too sensitive rather than accurate yes that's exactly that's exactly what it is so people are getting a false positive so they're not contagious nothing at all it's just it's just you have so in order to test positive you have to have a certain if you're going to get symptoms you have to have a certain, if you're going to get symptoms, you have to have a certain amount of viral load. So you have to have more than just a little bit.

You know, if you had it, just talking here, I might not get it, but, you know, if we're making out slowly and swap and spit and having a good time with each other, I might get enough viral load. What kind of music would we be doing? Total 70s porn music. I thought about David Bowie. You'd have Jamie make it all red. Old school David Bowie.

All right, I'll do it. total 70s porn music. I thought about David Bowie. You'd have Jamie make it all red. Old school David Bowie. I was thinking. Oh, David. All right, I'll do it. Whatever. Whatever turns you on. There's a star man waiting over you. My child will be horrified when she sees this.

She'll be like, Dad, seriously, you need to back off on that shit. It's a great goddamn song, though. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, we don't have any real data anymore. Well, I think here's the thing. We want someone to be in charge when everyone is trying to figure it out in real time.

But the nature of our entire system is not someone's in charge. The president can't say, shut it down. He just can't say that. That has to come from the governors. And here in Austin, we have different rules that the governor has allowed but you don't have to have them so they're not mandated yeah so that system goes back up the line and in austin you know this is what i don't like we were told again mass social distance close the bars etc once we're into the next phase which is instead of 40 hospitalizations per day an average of 22 then we go into the next phase which is instead of 40 hospitalizations per day an average

of 22 then we go to the next phase and then we're allowed to open up some more but it was like no no we're gonna wait until september 8th because schools are opening we don't want to jeopardize that but that when you do that to americans that is fucked and they and they're misjudging how Americans take that shit. You give us a goal, Joe, we'll go like, we all will go. Any color creed background, fuck yeah, we're going to go do this. We're going to get this fucking goal. Flatten the goddamn curve. We're going, bitch.

This is what we do. Hoo-ha! Hoo-ha. Right? Semper Fi, we go. We all go. Where we go one, we go all. Right.

We go all. And then when they say, okay, great job, but uh now we're gonna take another couple weeks we have to meet his right next goal that's not we go what the fuck right yeah and that's what's happening and and this is the danger because it could just be ugly it'd just be ugly but something could just be ugly. But something will have to happen. I think that the real danger is not letting the actual interaction take place. The real danger is in silencing opposing opinions. Of course. Because I feel like when you're doing that, if you have a platform, whether it's like Facebook or YouTube or Twitter or anything,

if you have a platform and in that platform some people believe x why others believe y if you just decide to shut down everyone that believes y you you create a tyranny you you have a tyranny of of ideology like you have to believe especially if it's connected to the economy like it is in hollywood this is one of the things that i experienced i didn't experience it personally i wasn't i wasn't a victim of it by any stretch You have to believe, especially if it's connected to the economy like it is in Hollywood. This is one of the things that I experienced. I didn't experience it personally. I wasn't a victim of it by any stretch. But I had friends that would have this perspective that they knew they had to have if they went into meetings. They were trapped.

Otherwise, they could have a little more of that. Yeah, sure. Otherwise, they wouldn't get the gigs. Man, I don't even think it was the fault of the people that were enforcing it. Of course not. I think it's just a natural scenario where human beings one more time to the real podfather the real one to the real joe rogan experience jamie jamie's asleep big part of this thing he's been he's been here all day

i love that jamie is like i think he's like a hot property now in austin hot james is like the it's like what this motherfucker's here alone yeah is he single single dangerous bitches headed your way son this guy how old is he he's young right he's 12 fucking look at him that's 25 25 yeah whatever the fuck yeah man he's been getting dna shots every day i've known him once the nasa people got into you know once i had to reverse my stance on the moon landing and then the cia people took over jamie started getting shots oh yeah he's been on ufos i'll tell you no but he's like the nerdy type it's like jamie's already got a neural link ask him oh my god yeah he got it fuck those pigs jamie's the's the that was kind of weird man with the pig

the pig demo I'm like Elon man I like that because he always does the anti-demo I didn't even watch that come to me when you're

working with monkeys I could not and Tina's like what the fuck are you actually watching I see Elon Musk with pigs what's going on

when you can turn a raccoon into that Guardians of the Galaxy character come to me then I love the idea I love the idea. I love the idea. I would love to try the interface instead of the keyboard, you know, just be able to think it and make it go. I love to get the analysis power of the computer, but I would like to be able to turn it off. I have two concerns. I would like one turn it off. One, I don't want to be an early adopter. But two, if you're not an early adopter, what if those motherfuckers just take off and control everything?

Nah, nah, nah. Dude, Elon and I were talking about it. It's not that simple. It takes more than just the first generation of early adopters. But I would say get in early. Get in early is what I'd say. He was saying it might have a massive increase in their productivity. Of course.

And that would be a huge advantage to turn to business. Do you know what's really fascinating? And this does play into this. Most companies who have had people working from home have now cut 40% of their real estate portfolio. This is going to continue forever. The remaining 60% of their real estate portfolio offices, they've increased the number of cubicles. It's executive offices, meeting rooms, conference rooms.

Everyone else is going to be working from home. And the productivity almost across the board, from what I understand from my friends who are in IT integration, is up significantly. Because people now know that they're at home. It used to be, if you were working on the road, if someone heard a bird tweeting in the background, you'd be busted. Like, you fucker, you're not in the office. But now it's accepted. And so people are working from anywhere and everywhere.

And companies are fucking loving this. Do people call people out on bird sounds in the background back in the day oh yeah if you're on a conference call who the fuck put it on mute bitch you're walking through this you're in macy's i hear you oh yeah all that shit i had that too um remote work it seems like it makes more sense it's done it's done it's done so live where you work work where you live. But what happens to the cultures that are created by big businesses all working together? The whole world is changing, Joe Rogan. I know, but is that... This is what's taking place, man. This is why you keep that in view for us.

You keep bringing all the crazy fuckers. Don't put that shit on me. You have a huge responsibility. Don't you put that evil on me. You're in Texas now. This is where legends are born, Joe Rogan. But don't, I mean, don't you think a evil on me you're in texas now this is where legends are born joe rogan but don't i mean don't you think all a lot of what we're talking about here whether it's a conspiracy or a conspiracy or just the way things happen when systems conflict with each other and one gains control and the opposing forces move in and take more control okay so

it's always been that case in In 2006, I was living in London and I got an invitation from the Queen of England. Damn, son. And she was relaunching the royal website. And I was invited to come

and be a part of that. And they picked me up in a car, in a Mercedes, interestingly enough. I was hoping it would be a carriage. Should have been a Rolls.

But you know the front gate at Buckingham Palace? Took me right through the fucking front gate. It opened have been a Rolls. But, you know, the front gate at Buckingham Palace took me right through the fucking front gate. It opened up. I went in there, was in this waiting room with about 100 other people. And there was, you know, art I'd never seen.

Rembrandts, Van Goghs, I've never seen those before. And then this whole ceremony. And then you just shake your hand. You know, you go down the line. It's Mr. Adam Carrey. And I looked straight in the eye. Everyone's bowing. I'm like, let me look in there. What do I see? And I saw nothing, man. Lizards. Yeah, lizards. you know you go down the line it's mr adam carrey and i looked at straight and yeah everyone's bowing i'm like let me look in there what do i see and i saw nothing man fucking nothing yeah lizard but the fact is that if we still are willing to believe that we need this tradition

of this old lady with funny hats living in some prime fucking ass real estate in the middle of london we got a lot of thinking to do. We got a lot of fucking thinking to do. We're American, goddammit. We're here in Texas. I don't know what you're talking about with England. That's right. This is the People's Republic of Texas and it stands on its own. Those folks over there with their kings and their queens, they can go fuck themselves.

No, no, no. We're a very welcoming people. This is where we're underestimated here in Texas. We're good people. No, I agree. We're good people. The queen thing is ridiculous. I'm sure she's great. I'm sure she's the nicest lady in the world.

I grew up in the Netherlands. But the idea that she's the queen. I had lunch with the king and queen of the Netherlands a year and a half ago. It's fucking ridiculous. It's outrageous. How did you get here? They just were born in the right spot. Right. But why do sane thinking people still

want them involved in their political and everyday life? Because we're still kind of living in this caste system, in this system of classes, and that's where we're at. Let me ask you this, you're a person who understands blockchain and the idea of bitcoin and a lot of what we're trying to do, well what people are trying to do with trying to come up with new ways to run the world. Is and a lot of what we're trying to do. What people are trying to do with coming up with new ways to run the world. Is there a way of running a decentralized government? Is that possible? Is our problem that we look at government

like you have to elect these people and they have ultimate control? Here's one of the more ridiculous ones. Whether you're bipartisan, whether you're a staunch Republican, staunch Democrat. democrat please hold on for a second why is it okay that if you get elected president you could pardon people like is the law the law or is it not the law like you have a fucking get out of jail free pass yeah you have a get out of jail free pass yeah that's one of those that's one of the millions For people that stole millions of dollars,

who did all kinds of crazy shit. You could just swoop in. That's one of those, there's a couple things you can do as a president, including appointing Supreme Court justices. This is kind of at the core of solidifying that executive branch. They needed some power.

That's weird. So Congress, House of Representatives, they get the purse, they get the money. senate gets to be just cigar smoking douchebags who like fuck around all the time like whatever but they they have you know they make it happen these are the back room cigar smoking deals and then we have the executive branch who needs it you know they need to have some power and so their power because of because, of course, the Supreme Court for us is like, oh, the Supreme Court said it, man. That's the end of the fucking line, which technically is not.

That's why we let the president appoint the Supreme Court and federal judges. Isn't that weird, though? The president has a four-year term, but they can appoint someone who's there for life. Well, they're all appointed for life only if someone dies or leaves. So it's not every president gets this. President Trump got some major fucking break here. He got two, maybe a third.

Pretty tight. Maybe a fourth, depending. And I wish no ill on anyone. But RBG, she's on the ropes. It seems she seems to be bulletproof. I don't know. And I like her. She is, I don't agree with a lot of her decisions,

but she is an American success story. If you know her story about Ruth Bader Ginsburg, that's a very, very powerful woman who really is impressive. I got to pee again. Fuck you, Joe Rogan. Let me pause, and then you tell me the Ruth Bader Ginsburg story.

Is this the first time Joe Rogan has had two pit stops on the show? Yeah, I think so. That's pretty amazing. Probably the first time, right? Two within three hours. I'm out of shape. I took a whole week off. I had to move and set up the spot.

My bladder shrunk back down to normal size. My bladder was very impressive at one point in time. I can go like four or five hours even. No peeing, just strong, stay strong. But eventually it shrunk back down. So how can we support you moving here to Austin? I'm already here, bitch. What are you talking about?

I don't know. We want to help you out. What can we do for you? What do you need, man? What can we make easier for your life? We've already done everything. My goal as a person, and this is something I've been thinking about a lot lately because i i have uh i had a hard time coming to grips

with this idea that people are listening to what i think i'm not an expert in anything but i've come to the conclusion through all the trials and errors and pros and cons of my life that if we just go into things with the intention of working things out not of fighting not of conflict it's possible that all the excess energy that we have that are that's dedicated to these unnecessary conflicts that maybe we can come to a comfortable agreement for both parties we're fucking that up because of this ancient dna that we have that leads us to always want to go to war with opposing tribes i feel it in myself i felt into myself when i was younger i've fought against it i've analyzed it i've been confused by it and humiliated by it it's a part of being a person

and it's a very strong motivation and i've mocked it in many times even in sure in pro and con jest i understand what it is i get it there's a thing that we all have we want to be loved and accepted by a group of our peers and our community but that that that leading to doing that out of fear it leads to a lack of critical thinking which leads to ideologies which is why we have cults it's really it's true no it really is true in the uh in the late it was probably 80 81 uh it was quite young but i wound up in los angeles and i was trying to have some meetings, trying to figure out if I could be somewhere in Hollywood or something. It was like a total lark.

And I had one or two phone numbers from, I think, the backup singer. Or maybe, do you remember there was Janet Jackson, What Have You Done For Me Lately? Yeah, I remember that. There was an answer record to that. What have you done for me? It was an answer record. Here's what I've done for you lately, bitch.

It was kind of one of those deals. I don't listen to those because those are negative well well but back in this time so i wound up in probably compton area and it was a it may i don't know what radio station it was but it probably went to klx or or the equivalent of new york bl. And there were these guys doing rap battles. And so it kind of transformed from gangs to rapping. That's how hip-hop really got started. You were battling against them, and you had the breakdance battles, and all these different...

It was pure tribes against each other. Maybe today's version, instead of bullshitting each other on some fucking... There it is. Exactly. Oh, my God. Well, this is the movie Breakdance. That's so 80s.

That's the movie Breakdance. That might be one of the most 80s things I've ever seen. I don't want to say we have... Oh, my God. It was amazing. That totally discredited my whole argument just by showing that peeing ass.

You really ruined it. Once people see the shoulder pads, like, Curry's full of shit. Shut up, man. That period shall not be spoken. Maybe we should all just be doing podcasts. Everybody get a fucking podcast together. Work it out.

Yell at somebody over some kind of Skype connection. That's not the worst idea. Just get started. Get started. Get started. I honestly believe that we should come up with some sort of an agreement for how we communicate don't be assholes yeah yes by example that's the only way by example just that alone will shift so many things into the proper yeah proper position i mean by example yeah i really just be example just be an example that's all it is and I think we also have to acknowledge that people fucking change and grow over time

and you know do we ever if we want people to get better we have to assume and we have to acknowledge that whoever they are today

is not who they were yesterday and there's a lot of people that are like I see it a lot with either alcoholics or drug addicts or people just

dismiss them and they go ah this fucking guy he's just you know he had that thing with oxys he's always going to be that right like no are you fucking sure are you sure they can change yeah if they decide they can change and they go on to become amazing people there's a grip that anything can get on you whether it's opiates or coke or whatever the fuck it is but there's some things that become you there are you

the new Adam Curry system involves cocaine well no but yeah if you got hooked on cocaine it's marijuana that is throughout my entire system my being it's how I live a lot of life

we both love it. It's an amazing thing. Thank God for trailers. I've never done meth, but if I did, I'd probably keep doing it. That's really all it takes. And people have to at least, and this is the big problem, not be afraid to say what you think. And think about how you say it.

Try and say something nicely, but don't be afraid of using something that is politically not right or could be a pro or the term problematic is bullshit by itself either it's a problem or it's not a problem i think we have this undeniable inclination to uh form groups and form that's okay people that think along our lines and then everybody who opposes those thoughts we close ourselves off to their perspective and we fight against them. It's just a natural thing that people do. And it's one of the reasons why we have so many problems with all kinds of different ideas is that people, whether you have this idea, when you've made a decision on a controversial issue in your mind,

issue in your mind most of the time what you're basing your decision is on your own perspective your education how you a wealth let's just be the give it the best of possible results and saying you're looking at any problem as uh you're going to look at it objectively and come up with your own perspective but your perspective is going to be different than someone who grew up in Miami, which is going to be different than someone who came from another country. Everyone's going to have their own. Thank you. This is the core of America, by the way. Yeah.

Just tie into that. My friend Mo, he was born and grew up in North Carolina, lives in Virginia. He's ADOS. We've never met each other. I've never even seen him. Doesn't matter. But one day I'm going to hang out with Mo and I'm going to eat whatever the fuck He's ADOS. We've never met each other. I've never even seen him. It doesn't matter. But one day, I'm going to go hang out with Mo, and I'm going to eat whatever the fuck Mo's family eats.

I'm going to hang out with his children and talk about things they're interested in. And he and his wife will come and visit us, and he'll see our side and our culture. And it's beautiful because you can enjoy it with each other and still be different. We don't have to be forced into this one, it's all the same thing. I don't believe forced into this one, it's all the same thing.

I don't believe in that. It's definitely not all the same thing. That's not fun. But it doesn't have to be all the same thing. You know, I mean, the idea of, like, just people. Yeah. Just people doesn't mean it's all the same. No.

It means we're all just people. But there's people that live like this, And there's people that live over here. And there's a different climate there. And this place is really cold. I get the idea that's not where some forces want us to go. What is that, though? That's just people jockeying for control. Should we concentrate on them?

Or should we really concentrate on what we actually think about these things? When I talk to rational people, what do they think about these things? They kind of think what I just said, like just people. It's just people. Yeah. There's good, bad, smart, dumb... Different. Interesting, fascinating...

Everybody's different. Yeah, people who don't read, who say brilliant shit. Yeah. There's people who can't see and they can play guitar. But isn't that all basically coming from a place

of fear either not fitting in or not being understood or not understanding and and just being afraid of what that means and i think that's fueled by a lot of things around us we're just afraid it's fear it's always fear it's a great mechanism there's always a lot of fear. And I think that fear encourages people to engage in groupthink. And it discourages them from coming up with a contradictory opinion. If there's a narrative that all the really aggressive people, whether it's right-wing or left-wing, if there's a narrative that they're espousing, there's a gravity to that.

You want to tell people, I'm in, man. man yeah we need to do that lock them borders down oh yeah we need to do that and like eat the rich like whatever it is one side or the other there's a draw to that just what we need to learn what we need to learn is not to immediately say you're wrong and i hate you because of it that's because once we admit that we everything we've just talked about i don't know if i'm fucking right just my opinion what you say is your opinion we could be wrong so you just have to recognize that and i don't what i don't understand that's part of the mechanism somehow is this and maybe it's triggered by black and white checker boxes maybe it's triggered by somewhere over the rainbow.

I don't know what's going on, but for some reason we're being triggered into hating someone with a different idea. And that's fucked. That is completely fucked up. Exactly. That's not necessary. Have you ever seen

the documentary that was on the debates between Gore Vidal and... Oh, yeah. This is a while back. It's a while back yeah yeah yeah 1960s yeah who's it called god damn it what the fuck's the British gentleman's name there it is best of enemies that's what it is yes it's Gore Vidal and who is the very famous I'm high as fuck right now I can't remember that's right William F Buckley how about this? There was a really fascinating moment

where William F. Buckley got upset at him and threatened to punch him and shit. Threatened to hit him. Oh, yeah. It's real intense. Intense. But it's, again, it's this,

if I think I'm right and I think you're wrong and I want to prove that I'm right and you're wrong, it becomes a game of tennis. It becomes wrestling. It becomes a contest. And any contest that people engage in,

there's all sorts of factors that come into play. Like the Mongols didn't conquer a quarter of the world because their ideology was right. They just, they had the right factors in place that allowed them to do that.

Elephants. All kinds of shit. So if someone has a control of a situation, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should. William F. Buckley's son, William F. Buckley Jr. who was one of the founders of the conservative America his son Christopher was married to my cousin Lucy and this is damn dude oh yeah my whole family is all kinds of government shit lizard people right come on son no no no maybe maybe my uncle don is is incredible he was um he was very high in the cia he became bush seniors uh national security advisor so basically like the michael flynn or the condoleezza rice or um did they frisk you at Thanksgiving well it's very interesting

because I've never been cleared I have no clearance and so at some family gatherings some of the other cousins of cousins who I don't really know that well like well we can't talk about this because you don't have clearance I'm like sorry excuse me yeah yeah but that's that's that's really if you look at the No Agenda show, that's really, it's been a truth-seeking of my own life because when I was in my teens, my parents, they both told me that they had been involved in, they were, I guess, they call civilians in the state department and that's

why we had lived in uganda when i was very young and i think that's why i probably moved to europe and um you know there's a lot of people who are my whole family is definitely patriots they've done a lot of weird things they've been involved in weird shit everything from um well my my paternal grandfather was in the lieutenant commander in the Pacific you know the Japanese theater my maternal grandfather Albert Schoble he actually was German but he landed at Normandy he was in fucking D-Day oh yeah purple heart and all the shit for it so everybody was. So everybody was kind of involved. We got all kinds of, you know, it's a very patriotic.

Did you ever talk to him about that? I've talked to all of them. And I've actually talked, it's funny enough, my uncle I've had much deeper conversations with, and he's close to 90 now, so he's kind of done. I mean, I hope he stays around for a long fucking time. He and his wife, he was ambassador to South Korea. This is a major dude.

I believe he recruited my parents. Both of them are gone, so I can talk about it. I can't say exactly what they were doing, but I do know one thing. This is why I think, once I realize this, I have distrust of the media, is that I believe my father was in Uganda to report on certain events that were taking place.

This was before Idi Amin came in. Whoa. So Abote was still president. And I think the U.S. controlled Abote. I'm not sure if they controlled Idi Amin. But he would write a story about something happening there. And it may not have been exactly what the story was, but it was a pro-America or pro-America agenda story. And because it was in the, I don't know, let's call it the fucking Uganda Times.

The New York Times and the Washington Post could say, according to the Uganda Times, this is what's happening. So that story became truth. But that story was actually a message from United States intelligence or the president or whatever, or the State Department, whatever our democracy idea was, whatever our fucking agenda was. And so when they told me, they was really telling me like, you know, we're not in this anymore. We're not doing any of that. We're legit. But it opened my eyes to having lived this huge lie, not that I knew it, but, you know, why did my dad come home one day and he was able to speak French fluently?

Like, what the fuck? I remember some of that. You can tell me whatever you want. That's a cool language. Okay, bro. No, it's not. Well, it is actually. So that kind of stuff was kind of mind-blowing,

and it really reset my thinking, and I really don't know much. Both my parents passed. My dad passed last year. He was 80. The last several years of his life were, you know, the thinking was really not there anymore. It just kind of went downhill.

And we never really had it. He was gone a lot. And I don't blame him because he did what he had to do. And I think all my family are very patriotic no matter what they were involved in. I think it came from a good place. And so I've kind of become this counterweight to all of that in some odd way. But I know that a lot of stuff is bullshit and and i know because i feel that my immediate family was involved in some of the creation of

that maybe a long time ago but i don't think it got any better yeah i think everything evolves right and if people are pulling the wool over people's eyes in the 1960s i think it's only gotten much much much much, much, much worse. Much better at it. Yeah. The internet has been a blessing and a curse at the same time. It's always how it's going to be with everything in life. As long as we realize it, as long as we can have it in the back of your mind,

this could be bullshit. Just have that in the back of your mind. It's always a possibility. With all these systems if you're looking at it without any connection to who's right and who's wrong you just look at it like this little battle

of bugs battling it out just look at it in terms of what are the qualities of each side consider the source yeah consider the source but also come out and walk in nature. Yes. Connect.

Turn off the phone. Leave it at home. Just disconnect. It's important for your immune system. Yeah. I really believe that. I think so.

Leave that shit at home. Go without it. Make love. I know it sounds nutty, but make fucking love. Is that a Bad Company song? Feel like bacon. Dun-dun-dun-dun-d feel like bacon hello we're old bros from the

80s yeah of course it is fuck yeah hell yeah any any sex song will do any sex song any sex song will do man yeah man that's what we need to do um was a song about the kid like shooting star everybody thought they were that kid shooting when i was in high school about johnny was a song about the kid, like Shooting Star. Everybody thought they were that kid. Shooting Star. When I was in high school. Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatles song. What the fuck is that? I grew up,

I was in Holland. I think I missed that one. You don't know that song? Isn't that Bad Company? Shooting Star. It's a song about a rock star. I don't remember. Fuck, I feel stupid now.

It's an amazing rock star who dies young i had a certain set of stuff in europe growing up around the same time because i was really there from seven on through teenage years there it is so i had a lot of bad company second straight album straight shooter 1975 there was there was something about a lot of that music that got discredited because it wasn't as complex as like maybe the who or Rolling Stones or Zeppelin there was some some music that just didn't get the credit it deserves you know Billy Squire remember Billy Squire of course Lonely is the Night of course all of that yeah there's a lot of

stuff that happened South Jersey too a lot of southside johnny but also skid row i mean those guys yeah i love those guys people loved or hate bruce springsteen i will love him forever just because but i don't really see eye to eye with him on a lot of stuff anymore but i don't have to his his songs like are like captain jack is one of my all-time favorite songs to me it's the river that That's a great song, too. How about Brilliant Disguise? Well, that was when I was just starting in television in Europe and they had that, is it you, baby?

And it was the really kind of, he had these kind of soft, cool videos. Like when he had Fire, oh, baby, I'm on fire. Hey, little girl, is your daddy home? You were feeling that shit. That's a pedophile song. They were bullshit. That was rock and roll, bitch. That was rock and roll.

Do not associate that with the bars. It's a mistake. Hey, little girl, is your daddy home? I went to Moscow with Skid Row and all those guys. That was crazy. I don't really mean that, Bruce. No, he knows you don't. Just jokes.

Can we still do these? We'd have to pretend. Are we allowed to do jokes we're allowed to do Joe do you feel about that curry how do you feel about that Kings you can still do jokes can't you when it went your next but would you know it's an extra special I need a special I can't do comedy right now so how am I gonna take a couple years before you get one together you think with writing and testing it out who knows man who knows when what do you need really audience right yeah To test that shit. Well, not just test it.

It's like just to perform. Like who knows when we can perform again? You know, like right now guys are doing, some folks are doing outside places. What's this Chappelle Camp or something I heard about? This is like some... Dave Chappelle took over like a wedding chapel. What's going on with that?

What's going on? Like an outdoor wedding chapel and he set it up as a comedy show. Socially distanced. Everybody gets tested. Well, I saw one show, but there's more going on apparently. He does them all the time. He does them constantly.

But where are they? Wait, can you see them on YouTube? It's in Yellow Springs, Ohio. You gotta fly in. But can you see them online? No, you gotta drive. You have to go. You have to be there.

I love this guy. That guy is fantastic. So you have to go there. It's not recorded nothing bullshit alright this has got to be

HBO Netflix he's got to no he's got to be there can we go there can we go there yeah for sure have you been

I have not yet have you been invited I've been busy yes yeah you've been of course you've been invited what am I talking about this is the first show

we've ever done nope I'm good I don't want any sympathy but this is the first night we've ever done nope i'm good i don't want any sympathy but this is the first night we've ever done in in this show in this space so uh it's been a like a weird transition to just decide we're getting out of la and then literally two months later can i ask you about that just because i had similar i was gone within six weeks once i had arrived here i mean so you felt it and you know you took your family down here to check it out.

You guys had been here before. You got business here, right? You'd been here before. Yeah, yeah, I've been here many times. I love the city. It just seems like you moved real quick. I was surprised. Well, my kids are in Zoom class.

It's a real bummer. It's a bummer. And I think it's... It's not school. And I'm not saying... This is clearly... I'm not saying, this is clearly, I'm not saying they should be in school. I don't know.

Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. But you know what the situation is, what you're seeing right now. What I'm saying is Zoom classes are not healthy for kids. It's weird. It's a weird disconnect. They're not around their friends. When they are around their friends, they're more frantic.

It's like, I believe that children need a certain amount of socializing with each other in order to develop. Of course. I think it's important. And I think it's really good for them. I think it's good for them to emotionally experience conversations with each other unsupervised. It's good to learn how to talk to people. It's good to go to your parents and tell them, you know, Debbie got mad at me because I said – and you say, well, you know, Debbie probably thought this,

and you have these kind of... Human interactions. Yeah, human interactions. This is what's... I feel like if the kids aren't right in front of each other all the time like that, they're missing some of that. I don't know if I'm right. I'm hoping that this is just a momentary roadblock,

and then a few months later from now, we have some sort of viable medication whatever we whatever it is whatever it is we realize okay we're going to be okay and people can go back to school but kids part of their development is interacting with other kids it's just part of what it's the whole point of going there's it's a there's a dance they learn they learn i remember things and i said that was me when i was five years old are you worried about your kids having this lapse of this now they're 15 and 12 i think or 13 no 12 and 10 um i don't i'm not worried about it in terms of i don't think it's

surmountable it's a minor concern you know the real concern is like don't let your kid get eaten by a tiger in texas where we have a lot of those fucking tigers let your kids starve to death don't you know there's a lot bigger concerns but i think that as a parent like if you know something you're supposed to teach it to your kids if you have an idea of something you're supposed to explain to your kids if you think if you see things that are going in a weird way so in this in way, it's like you feel more of a need to have conversations with them about just life overall and also what they're learning in school.

But life overall, maybe even more so, to let them know, like, oh, these people, do you see these people around here? They're people, just like your dad's a dummy, you know, and your mom has to figure things out like that's that's the whole world okay okay your dad will tell you right now dad's a daddy's a dummy okay don't come to me with math problems but like i'm gonna protect you as much as i can but you have to recognize that this whole world is filled with dummies like me okay so most people that are making the decisions or at the very least are

choosing the people that make the decisions are like me and dumb so know that and that's a lot to swallow for a 12 year old or a 10 year old but but but when you communicate with them and like let them know like hey like we are all trying to work this out. This is what being a person is. Do you think, I mean, my daughter just turned 30. My stepdaughters are 23 and 25. She's finally getting it. My 30-year-old, she fucking gets it so, so good. She really gets it.

It's awesome when they get it. Actually, when I divorced second time, and this is the third final marriage, it's a charm. I love it. I was so in love. Congratulations. In love with my best friend. Thank you.

And vice versa. My daughter came to me. She said, she sat me down. The lioness came back to the lion. She said, listen, I'm glad you left her. This is what you've done wrong. Here's the stuff that I think is fucked up. Here's how you fucking damaged me with some really stupid

fucking shit and it hurt me a lot. But I've forgiven you and now you are going to get up on your two feet. You're going to be a fucking man. You're going to move on. And she blessed me on everything

and it was the most beautiful moment in my life. And from there, it's just been soaring, soaring. And that's when she had, she had figured it out. She had figured it out before I had. Very impressed with her.

That's heavy. Very impressed with her. Yeah. And that was just, you know what? I think every child eventually comes to their parents and has a version of that conversation at some point. Yeah, for sure. And I think it's great. The hope is that you'll do better than yours did and then your kids will do better than you did and we evolve but we're so afraid

you know making it worse or making them feel the pain that we felt or rejection or disappointment and that's very it's a slippery slope you know what you what you do there yeah i think we have to go back to what we're talking about we haven't even been talking for that long we've been talking for 50 000 years and already we've dumbed it down to fucking fingers on a touch screen but dude realistically it's been so short well here the amount of time you make a good point we were talking yeah we're no longer talking we We're texting. We're texting, Joe.

We're texting. It hit a weird dip. I think we're going to be okay. We're texting. I honestly feel like if you looked at the way technology evolves things, technology evolves things towards demand. And I think there's a legitimate demand today for more connection. And people are finding it in mason jars and yes of course

i think if technology could eliminate this bizarre aspect of social media where you write things out and a person is not in front of you when this communication is delivered and you know you're hurting their feelings but you don't have to experience their their pain or look in their eyes and see they're uncomfortable my stepdaughter ellen she had moved she moved to chicago with her fiance just before two weeks before the shutdown from austin to there they were getting ready they had jobs lined up everything shut the fuck down horrific shit they've gone through. But they already were on the path,

and they're now accelerating that path. They're going to Maine. They're unplugging. They're going to live completely within a smaller community. Nomads. Smaller community. No, smaller community. Igloos.

Going back a little bit. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. We can learn a lot from this. And if that's the trend, and we all make babies please that's we still have to make children dogs are not a substitute I love dogs we need to keep making babies people otherwise become Japan and the Japanese debt trap the money will be fine you we're gonna have UBI some version of it will be very innovative you gotta keep pounding the old in and out, eh? You've got to keep making babies.

We need babies. Otherwise, that will be a problem. That's just my view. I could be wrong. I smoked some weed today. Who knows? There's a thing that people like to say. I think so.

We don't need any more people. Oh, the population bomb? Yeah, it's been going on forever. But it is kind of true. There's a lot of people, especially if you're in is kind of true. There's a lot of people, especially if you're in a place like LA. There's a lot of people, yeah. But what's also kind of true is don't you like people?

I love people. They're my favorite things. People are the best things in the world to play with. People are awesome. Yeah. But there is a problem when there's too many of us. There really is. Is there really?

It seems to always work out. It was supposed to be too much here and too much then and too much then. I'm not opposed to the idea that it's going to work out. We've got a lot of space, man. We've got a lot of space in the world still. For now. If we keep growing, eventually it's going to come to a point in time.

But then there's the other concept that as things westernize, people are less and less likely to have children early in life because they want to develop their career. That's okay. But then populations drop. No, but you've still want to develop their career. That's okay. But then populations drop. No, but you still got to do your 2.3 children. You have to. You can do it later.

My parent, I remember my mom said, I'm getting my tubes tied because I've done my duty to the country. 2.3, she had three kids. I've done my three kids. I'm above average. I'm tying that shit up done with that and that and that was what you did at the time i'm not the tubes tied tubes tied

that's right and then she's still divorced and had a much happier life without my dad i believe imagine back in the day when there was no tubes tied, there was no nothing. Yeah. But Joe, what did we grow up with? You could stick your dick in, you're going to get AIDS. That's what we grew up with. What the hell was all that about? And where did that go? It went away with...

Yeah, it went away. With science. Went away with science. And voting. Isn't it amazing? Isn't it amazing how it went away? What killed... What do you think happened?

But wasn't it those proteases and inhibitors? With HIV? That's a whole other show by itself. For real? Yeah, it really... If you really look, I can give you some books. And I've done this. Just like I've looked at 9-11, all this stuff.

There's a lot to it. The HIV... And it's Anthony Fauci. It is Dr. Birx. It is Redfield. It's all the same people. Is it that any anytime there's anything huge like that's an enormous medical concern there's a an also enormous amount of money involved

is that part of the problem yeah yeah that is well the whole the whole system it in 2008 or nine there was a financial conference jp morgan chase goldman sachs whatever and they were talking about the future of of medicine and vaccines and everyone was all jacked up about it because vaccines um are not regulated the same as every other medication so they you know they you can't be held liable if someone has a problem from your vaccine now there are vaccine courts where the government quietly gives you money and you can get some restitution. But if the vaccine is shit, you can't sue the pharmaceutical company.

So they saw this as a great, it's like, holy shit, this is great. Think of it from a financial perspective. You're giving people medicine, charging for it before they're sick. This is great. So you had vaccines against smoking addiction and things that really I don't think fit the actual description of vaccines. And now we're at the magical RNA, the mRNA vaccine,

which is supposed to not trick your immune system by giving you a piece of the original virus, but to trick your immune system into changing something in your DNA that will reject the virus when it encounters it. So that's a little different, and it's not been proven to work. Jesus, you're freaking me out, Adam Curry. It's very mainstream knowledge. It's not like this is something new. Why does it seem like the next chapter of the horror movie? Because that's what it is.

The virus gets released. Everybody's forced to not work. Unrest in murder racist murder yeah all of a sudden everything's on fire and what always happens what always happens anarchy comes fucking joe and fucking adam we got our fucking shit strapped on we're like we're gonna save the fucking day to save the day bang i have faith in the republic i'm not worried. It doesn't matter who our president is. The Republic still has all the tools and the legality to function fine. I don't care. I have a preference that's irrelevant. I think the Republic continues to function one way or the other. We have the right tools in place. It doesn't matter whose president is not life or

death. There are shortcuts to a good future. That's for other people to determine. But we don't have to be worried about shit because America. I'm glad you're optimistic. I am. I am very. And I think there's a real value in being optimistic.

I share your optimism. If you look at human beings from measurable history to today it's it's a clear path of doing better it doesn't mean that everything's perfect right now it's not but we got to look at behavior we got to look at like what what do you do do you want someone lighting the building on fire because there's a guy inside that you disagree with who is the most progressive mayor in the fucking country of course not

but how crazy is it? Progressives? he's like not enough! not progressive enough, this guy is the most progressive guy, the mayor of Portland might be the most progressive guy but doesn't that show that we're a little misguided and we just have to stand back and take a look at what's going on I think that they're misidentifying the conflict.

It's not as simple as I believe this and you believe that and I want to be rational and you want to be right. Remember we were talking about how you need some kind of challenge, survival challenge in your life to be a full human being. I think unfortunately it's what happens to probably younger people, I'll say 20 to 30, is their challenge has now become this dangerous game of taunting, burning, doing more than just protesting.

It can start with protesting, but that becomes a lifeblood that you need to have in order to feel like a full human. We have our own challenges to feel like a full human i mean this is we have our own challenges to feel like we are full humans i you know you have yours i have mine it's providing for your family and a certain level of success or whatever you're looking for creating balance right creating harmony happiness it needs yes it's some way it needs the input but it needs the inputs and results you need need something that's hard, that's either physically challenging or mentally challenging

or just work intensive or concentration. Yeah. And this replaces that for a lot of people, I think, who just need something to do. A hundred percent. And it excites the tribal aspects of our imagination. It really does. And it's unfortunate that it does of our imagination. It really does. And it's unfortunate that it does that because it forces people to behave. And it's really like the conflict has already been established.

It's already clear conflict. It's not as simple as I think one thing, you think a different thing. And you can tell me why you think something, and I can just accept it without a judgment on me as a human being and my intellect. And the problem is if you have something that's opposed or is opposing the ideas I have in my head, I think that you got me. You tapped me out. You made checkmate.

Right. I'm like, fuck this guy. I'm going to fight this out. Right. And so your ego gets involved. We need some deprogramming there. We need deprogramming specifically in the idea that your ideas equal you. That's crazy.

Yes. You should be a thing that thinks. And when ideas are presented to you, you should decide, hmm, is that valid? Is that good for everybody? Is that bad? What is that? Is that poison the drinking water?

Right. And then move from there. But when we look at anything through the lens of ideology, we have these boundaries. You can't be a pro-choice Republican. I think it's still fear that you want to look

over there but you're almost kind of afraid. What if I agree with it? We have to be we have to find the courage to be less afraid of being open to other things. There's a lot more people than anyone really realizes who are not red or blue or white or black. We have these meetups, no agenda meetups. And it's self-organized.

People get together all over the world. Five people, 20 people, sometimes bigger, sometimes smaller. And they're from all different ages, backgrounds, colors, religion, race. But they know one thing. I'm going to be clumsy here, and I'm not going to get triggered by any fucking shit you say. And we know that agreement is there. And even if people are completely opposite, it's like, okay, man, good, one of the beer. It's possible. We can do this. We can do this. It the beer that's possible we can do this we can

it's 100 possible we can do this and this idea that uh you have to be you know everyone has to be in agreement of every single goddamn issue in the world otherwise you can't connect with them it's nonsense it's bad for all of us i think what we were talking about earlier that labels should be illegal it's a joke labels should be illegal yeah it's a joke but it's not no it's not a joke really there's something to it man there's something to the idea that labels are a real problem with us they're a real problem because we we adhere to those labels then there's like a like a checklist of things you need to i'm on this i'm pro second amendment you have to write all these things down.

And then you have to like... If someone is on the same tribe as you, you have to agree with them about everything politically. I think a lot of my views overlap with what someone would call conservative. Yeah. But I find that an incredible insult

if you call me a Republican or even a Libertarian or a Democrat. I don't want to be fucking labeled anything. I don't need that. It's not fair. I think the best evidence that this is actually taking place is what's happening right now between the right and the left and how polarized everything is.

How weirdly polarized. Yeah, but is it really? I think that everyone's now in agreement. Okay, shit's out of control. We've got to stop this. Whatever's going on in the streets. It's not everywhere, but there's enough of it that it's fucked up. We've got to stop this. Whatever's going on in the streets, it's not everywhere, but there's enough of it that it's fucked up. We've got to stop it. Everyone's in agreement.

So now both political parties are kind of, you know, the Democratic Party, they've come in sailing in, okay, yeah, we think this should stop. So that, I think it will start to stop. This is going to have to happen. Well, it's one of two things that's going to happen. It's going to stop or it's going to

accelerate right and that that if it's all dependent upon how what kind of reaction people have to it whenever you want to take over a society the best strategy is strategy from above and below so the below right now and if let's just say if someone is thinking about this and running this and trying to fuck with us. Below is your on-the-street riots, Black Lives Matter, inequality, whatever people are pissed off about. Above is COVID. That's why it's dangerous for us because we have this overall— Compounding factors. Yeah, overall fear of death.

Hurricane and an earthquake. Death and you don't—and an asteroid. Oh! And an asteroid. Yeah. I think we both agree that we probably can be okay through this. Yeah. And it's better if we don't freak out.

Yeah. And we look for possible positive outcomes. And that's what I think. And it's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard to do that. Yeah.

And honestly, I think what I said earlier about controversial people having platforms, I think it's important that people figure it out for themselves. You can't trick me with a faith healer. Why is it going to trick you? Is it going to trick your kids? What are you telling your kids? I don't know. Isn't the problem that we need to educate people as to what people are capable of lying about?

Trickery, cults, evangelists, late night TV people trying to get all your money. Shouldn't we let them exist and then point to them? See that, kids? That's an alligator. That'll eat your dog. I believe so. See that alligator? If you walk that alligator by the leg, it'll eat your dog.

Now, if there's illegality going on within any group or whatever, then you need to process that immediately. But it is illegal. It should be kind of illegal. Like, if you're fucking pretending me, you're talking to Jesus, and you give me an anointed bandana that's going to protect you from any financial... No, I don't. No. I don't think that should be illegal. No fucking way.

What do you know? What do I know about the bandana? The power of the bandana could be very big. I don't know. Tom Hanks movie. And it's real. Which one? Uh,

big, something like that. Remember big had like the thing. Yeah, of course I know what that was. Imagine if you were me and I was you for like 24 hours. We had to go about our lives. What would you do? What would be and I was you for like 24 hours? We had to go about our lives. What would you do?

What would be the first thing you did? Wow. I don't know, man. That's really... I think I'd probably go test out what I can do with my jujitsu and all that fucking shit. Let me go to the gym for a second. Fuck, fuck, back kick, fucking motherfucker. Okay, I like this.

I just don't remember this. I want to get my old body. I can do that. Imagine when that does happen where people can literally become, like you could put your body in an Olympic gymnast body. Yeah, why not?

That's Elon. That's Elon. Ultimately, that's where Elon's going, I'm sure. What did you think about the test with the pigs? Well, again,

I think I love Elon for his, hey, here's my cyber truck. It has bulletproof windows. Shatter. And then we're like, what the fuck? It's fine, man. It has bulletproof windows. Shatter. And everyone's like, what the fuck? It's fine, man.

The fucking ball bearing at it is fine. I know it'll be great in the final mix. We'll fix it all. And it's like the pigs. The pig doesn't want to come out. They're like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. I know what you're doing. I'm good with it.

I like the idea. I'd love to see people who have MS or ALS whose brain is not, Parkinson's, whose brain is not communicating the functions to be able to keep those going because I think

that's the initial application and that's fantastic. Right. But am I interested in at least, is Jamie sleeping? I thought he was snoring. I am very interested

in the application of direct interfacing. I'd like to be able to just go, I just want to do my email. Right. Like that. And everything just happens because he's right. The interface between our brains and the network, the whole community, the world, is actually going from ten fingers to one or two with our phones. I

like the idea of upping that bandwidth transfer. But I would like to be able to make sure I can turn it off and I have control when I want it. Doesn't it sort of go in line with what we were talking about where people have only been talking for a short amount of time? Sure. Before people were talking, it was just

grunts and pointing. Pictures. Trying to figure out how to kill the deer. Emojis. In a way, we're going back. We went from emojis on the wall to emojis on text. Smiley face, puke emoji, mask emoji. Well, you get it. Right?

You do get it. That's an abstraction of language. Someone sends you a yellow fist. So that is actually how computer code works. Yeah. Computer code is binary. You've got an assembler on top of it. You've got maybe an interpreter.

You've got a scripting language. And then it's almost English. And before you know it, you're just saying this emoji. And you put these two emojis together, you know exactly what I mean. That is crazy, right? So when you get the raindrops with the fucking, what is that thing? The eggplant. The eggplant. Then you know what I mean, Joe Rogan. Not answering my text. with the it is crazy with the fucking what is that thing the the eggplant the eggplant

then you know what I mean Joe Rogan not answering my text not answering my not answering my my my eggplant water emoji text

there's something about eggplant water emoji that's a bold move followed by peach peach peach emoji exactly but you could bring that

to court and people would be like I don't see anything wrong here. I don't know what's going on. The guy likes fruits and vegetables. What is he trying to tell me here? He's clearly a vegan who likes surfing.

That's another benefit of the phone, the flip phone. It can't really do emojis. Yeah. That's a good one. Not much going on. Not going on. Adam Curry, shall we wrap this up? Yeah, Joe Rogan.

Thank you so much, man. Again, welcome to Texas. Welcome to Austin. Here at the spaceship. You've got yourself a beautiful studio very much we did it i think we did it welcome to welcome to texas thanks man it's good thanks welcome to guest number one here at the new place young jamie you're a bad motherfucker you put it together fuck yeah jamie shout out thank you shout out to jew t it's for the desk matt alvarez for the place

and that's it. All right. Bye. Thank you.