The Joe Rogan Experience - #1541 - Bridget Phetasy

Episode Date: September 24, 2020

Writer, stand-up comedian, and cultural commentator Bridget Phetasy’s writings can be found in The Spectator, Quillette, and The New York Times. In addition, she’s the host of the YouTube program Dumpster Fire, and the podcast Walk-Ins Welcome.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day oh hello bridget hello we're gonna save the world yeah that's right now i'm sorry for being late for the most california reason ever i really i thought i was meditating for 20 minutes and i was 45 minutes in i was like what happened last time we talked you hadn't even started meditating yet. So tell me about this. Well, I would do it occasionally But most of the time I was getting in the tank, which is kind of like meditating But you know, the the tank is its own thing. Yeah, uh, but yeah, I've been doing I I Had this guy james nester. He's the author of Breathe. Breath. Breathe. Breath.

Breath. Breath. Breath. The book is Breath. I always forget which one has the E at the end. But I really got into breathing exercises afterwards. And so, I mean, I'm calling it meditating, but I'm really doing both. I'm meditating and doing, while I'm doing these breathing exercises, I'm just concentrating

on breath. It is. Trippy. It is the best fucking stress reliever it just oh yeah it all goes away i've taught yoga and i always said if you could if you had to choose like all all the different parts of that practice if i had to tell somebody just to do one it would be the breathing exercises are the best yeah there's something about it too that like you don't realize how shallow your breath is most of the day until you sit down you do these big i do six in six out so six seconds in big and then and i did it for 45 minutes today just in and out and by the end my my skin is tingling i'm like i feel I feel high. Yeah. It's wild.

I know. That's why I love that. I was mentioning last time I was on Sam Harris's meditations because they have you reflecting on your own consciousness. It's like, notice, pay attention to where you're paying attention or what. It's so trippy. And I'll get in my head. And next thing I know, I'm like, this is like taking acid.

I love Sam Harris. I love him so much. He's terrified of the COVID though. Terrified. Is he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. so trippy and i'll get in my head and next thing i know i'm like this is like taking acid i love sam harris he's terrified of the covid though terrified is he yeah yeah he's not doing anything live really oh he's not oh sam he's the one who had me so scared i feel like i'm like come out and play sam but he knew somebody though that got it early in italy and got really sick yeah but then upon questioning um i was asking him a bunch of things. Like the guy was drinking, like the guy was partying, and then he was skiing, and then he caught COVID. So the people that I know that have got it and got it bad were all compromised.

They were all beaten down, worn out, and then it got them. That's where it gets scary. Or you don't know. We had a friend whose boyfriend's's brother died of it and he got it but he was sick for two weeks and his wife was like please go and he didn't because he's a dude and and then he went and um found out that he had like diabetes or something he didn't even know he had it and so he was compromised and it was really tragic and sad well a nurse was telling us she was how harsh is she yeah she's hardcore i like it though she's she's great

i love her but anyway when she's uh doing the test she's telling us about all these kids that vape that are oh yeah i've been hearing this fucking getting pneumonia and dying from vaping here's a fun story i was talking to my physical therapist and he is married to an italian woman so they were hearing all the stories from italy and then all the whole thing about like hydrochloric hydrochloric when came out and hydroxy the hydroxychloroquine however however the hell you say it um and he he had been hearing from the people in italy that this was kind of working with like some and it was helping so after trump said it was helping he was trying to get some on the west side and he's like all these motherfuckers who are talking shit about it you couldn't get it anywhere on the west side of la every rich person

in la went out and bought it and then was like oh this we shouldn't be listening to this he's like but you couldn't get it anywhere well my doctor told me that people are not taking it because they hate trump oh wow he learned shop got it they asked shop what your political leanings are and he's like what and he's like well hydroxychloroquine has been proven to be very effective in the early stages of the virus he goes fucking give it to me what are you talking about but imagine if you're like fuck trump i'm gonna die literally die on this hill fuck trump people have lost their minds lost their minds it's it's a i saw a tweet yesterday was like i'm so tired i'm so tired i'm like what are you this whole idea of everybody being like i'm so exhausted like you're sitting on your fucking ass you're watching

netflix you're on your couch you're waiting for postmates like what are you fucking tired from you're exhausted from tweeting you know like it's so hard educating all these people all these fascists online all day what What are you fucking exhausted from? I don't understand. Educating fascists. Everybody who disagrees with you is a fascist. Everyone. That's just how it is.

And I was talking to Colin Quinn for my podcast, and we were talking about this. I was like, do you not get shit for like, he's like, I feel like we're kind of in the same place. And I was like, don't you get shit for being like both sides? And he was like, isn't that insane though? that the people who are like trying to see things reasonably are the ones who are like getting attacked he's like no the middle used to be the people looking at the zealots being like you're fucking crazy and now they're looking at us and they're like

you guys need to be stopped the middle needs to be stopped this reason needs to be stopped well because you make them confront their own biases That's what the problem is If you're a reasonable person Especially if you're someone like you or I Who has a platform and you're reasonable And there's a lot of people listening And then people are like wow she's

Actually got some good points No she doesn't she's a fascist Look I'm no Alyssa Milano I don't have a platform like you guys but well it's a real shame that her platform is a third of mine that's like a really a really delusional i want to this is the two plus two equals five math yeah that math is uh that's like hollywood math when they tell you a movie didn't make any money yeah yeah it's really wild watching the hatred that people who are um even so the other day i saw i i'll say something like i've heard because i put out

an article and it was like uh um why i don, why I'm not voting for the president. Like, fuck this. I'm out. And I got all these emails, like 900 emails in two days from people who are conservative voting for Biden, from people who are Democrats. And I'm saying, I'm like, I'm hearing a lot of people saying that they've never voted for Trump or considered it and they're going to. And they're like, that's propaganda.

I was like so anything you don't want to hear is propaganda like i'm just reporting what i'm hearing anecdotally from people and you're telling me it's propaganda it's really the opposite of propaganda because the problem is the the media overwhelmingly is liberal right overwhelmingly like there's fox news and what's that aon whatever it is there's one there's one crazy network that's like a network full yeah full right on the edge of the cliff with a fucking eagle tattoo in their back and then you have everything else i mean everything else is liberal whether it's whether they pretend to be or not they lean liberal whether it's nbc cbs yeah msnbc of course cnn cnn is cnn's atrocious this is what they're so bad they used to be my favorite source of news and now i i see when when

you see don lemon and chris cuomo talking about white people and and and how like white people have every advantage. Like, why don't you have an education? Why don't you have a loan? Yeah. And Chris Cuomo was just standing there letting Don Lemon say this. I'm like, what are you guys talking about? They're parody.

Have you ever been to Appalachia? No, they haven't. Do you know about really poor white people? No. They're there. There's poor white people all over the world. I tweeted something about it. It's so crazy.

They were like, Don Lemon's calling out celebrities and I am here for it. it and i was like don lemon is the arsonist standing in the house asking for everyone else to put out the fire like what this guy has been so divisive he's so what are you even talking about generalizations all of them do nobody any good no but they're fun but i just made one i know but they're so fun they are very I mean, we're comics. We live in the world of generalizations. I said this waitressing stereotypes don't exist in a void. Like, as a waitress, it was 10% waitressing, 90% trying not to profile people. That was the hardest part of my job.

Anti-bias training. It's just like, all right, these white ladies aren't going to be a pain in the ass. These white ladies, ah, fuck! They're a pain in the ass. But white ladies. Ah, fuck. They're a pain in the ass. But the fact that you could say that on CNN, you could say something ridiculously biased and in a gross generalization on CNN, as long as you're saying it about the right people, whether you're mocking all Trump supporters and being dumb.

Do you remember when he did that? Yeah. And then there was this whole thing where they said, I was not mocking them. I heard a joke. When they made the redneck voice. Yeah it was he was like fake laughing yeah it was like it was so not funny it was like what is this it was like when you go to one of those alt rooms and in and someone's laughing at some shit that you know nobody thinks is really funny like what is happening here what is this weird voodoo in the air that's forcing people to comply i think what

one of the things that really was surprising to me that i'm hearing from a lot of people and in my next column i kind of talk about this is like the the mainstream media inadvertently red pilled a huge sector of america during the pandemic oh yeah because they were like lock up this is for the best shut your business down don't bring your kids to school miss funerals miss weddings miss graduations miss sports miss comedy miss everything treating did you see that and then they were like oh but protests are okay and everyone and you know how many people protested like what percentage was it like what point oh%? Enough to spread the virus.

Good, solid number. How about de Blasio? He said the only protests you could do are Black Lives Matter protests. Like, hey, motherfucker, this is America. You can't do that. No. You can't say. De Blasio's a parody, though.

How is he even real? He can't be real. He's a South Park mayor. We are living in a South Park. We are. And so, yeah, I keep hearing this from people that that was, you know, he can't be he's a south park mayor we are living in a south park we are it's and so yeah i keep hearing this from people that that was you know i don't even think it was a protest because i think most people are actually on board especially around george floyd everyone was pretty united like this is horrific yes we need to address this police brutality is a problem someone should have

stepped up though some mayor should have stepped up and said I am with you But we are going to have a real problem with health If we just all gather in a street like this And it's not even in the street It's the making posters beforehand At your buddy's house And getting together afterwards And having drinks

Everybody was still getting together in apartments And houses before and after these protests And it's interesting it's just that the thing i keep hearing is not even it's not even the protests it's the rioting and when you're standing in front of a burning building and you're saying these are mostly peaceful people fucking have eyes right like you are lying to their face and i just think they overplayed their hand they i think you're right that cnn piece that said how the the riots are being misconstrued by right-wing media while they're most mostly

peaceful right and they made that with a photo of a building on fire it is it is so crazy how gaslighting that is it's not the biggest gaslighting event of our time. It's actually just demanding that you swallow the lie. It's even worse than gaslighting. It's just demanding you comply with the lie that they're presenting. Now, we get this on the right, too. Yes. Where it's like you'll directly contradict something that is clearly on video that you said. Climate change.

Climate change is the biggest one on the right where they're they just full-on try to deny climate change and it's a part of the narrative of the ideology of the right there's a lot of people that just deny the narrative of climate change there are young republicans who are changing this though and you should have some of them on because they're young give me some names i will there are some young kids who are really pushing back against. They don't like that. They believe that we should conserve our parks, that we should conserve, that it's important. And they hate that it's become this kind of partisan thing and that it's now Republicans are anti-climate is this messaging.

And so there are some young people in that space. They just don't have a big enough voice really yet. But they're out there and they're pushing back against that. And they have some really cool things that are going on. Well, that's good because there does need to be some pushback. The problem with the narrative on the right is that they're so pro-business that they're willing to sacrifice some environmental standards. And people see the repercussions of that. They're like, hey, listen, I understand that you want people to be able to work you want people to make a living

and you want to raise the standard and trickle down economics and all that shit but you can't you can't sacrifice the fucking environment right like that should be a no-brainer first do no harm right like a doctor first do no harm and that you're doing harm like you can't make money while you're polluting like that's that's not good for anybody's future yeah they're seeing this in in areas where you know i think it was reading like the louisiana belt there's like tons of instances of more covid mortality and like chemical alley where all those fucking chemical plants are and that's the kind of untold cost and cause and effect that we need to pay more

attention to and this is why i hate when these things like the climate shouldn't be it we should be able to have a conversation about this and i think with the right wing it's it's more that it's a used as a cudgel to silence everybody and you're supposed to just get on board and there's so many things that are a lot of them will agree that there we might be having some effect on it but what is the best way to to try and make those changes so that nuanced conversation is what needs to happen and everything is just partisan everything even the mask thing like all all of it and you want to be able to come from a place of facts it's the same with you know police brutality all these things if we can start with what the actual

facts are that would be awesome and productive but we don't we don't start there we start with like well the police brutality thing all you get is videos of horrific actions you know i saw a video there's a really terrible video that's going around right now that people are using as evidence that cops are racist because they didn't shoot this white guy who wound up shooting and killing a cop in oklahoma did you see it oh i haven't seen it i've been blissfully offline every time i drink coffee with cream i say i'm not going to do that again because i do it on the podcast then i get phlegm and i have to um that's all right it makes you human joe it's not for people listening It's annoying, bro

But it's a bad video They pull this guy over They mace him They hit him with the pepper spray They tase him They do everything And he's just drugged up Or a psycho

Who knows And they get into some sort of A wrestling exchange And he gets the cop's gun And unloads into this guy's body And you hear the cop From the cop's body camera you see him get shot and you see him scream this is the fucking thing about our dystopia that i hate i've seen someone die like every day for the past two weeks online you know but here's my point this people are looking at this thing oh

the cops are racist because if that was a black guy they would have shot him right my position is okay this is these are two totally different cops and maybe they didn't shoot him because they would have never shot anybody maybe these cops never would have shot a black guy or a white guy or asian guy or anybody but the point is this is how dangerous it is to be a cop right and this is why non-le there's two cops on one guy and they can't control this motherfucker yeah and this is why non-lethal methods are the cops are reluctant to use them sometimes yeah and this is also it just shows you how fucking hard it is to be a cop you get this crazy dude and you can't tase him you can't pepper spray him he still gets your gun and shoots and kills one of you it's fucking nuts it is It is nuts. I mean, it's, and I think you can't really jump to, oh, this is racism with no evidence of racism.

Right, in that case, there is no racism, right? But what they're saying is, As far as we know. If this was a black guy, they would have shot him. And I understand why they feel like that. Because there are all these videos of black guys getting shot by cops. And it is horrible. But this situation is two totally different human beings.

That's the problem. It's in the generalization. The problem is in stereotypes. The real problem is that these fucking cops exist at all that would shoot a guy that's black just because he's black. And those guys are real. Those cops are. And there's so many cops out there that have ptsd so many cops out there that they just don't know what is going on they'll just shoot there's a lot of that yeah and i mean i had i've had people writing

me saying like i i work with cops and they need better training you know they they're cops themselves will say we need more training and to act like some of them aren't racist is delusional as acting like all of them are. I think you have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Honestly, the thing that Sam – did you listen to Sam Harris' hour-long thing? Everyone should listen to that. It's very good. It's based very much in what we know as far as facts because he's like super reasonable yeah and um it was that i i sent it to like my dad who's super you know my my left my center left

people in my life and he was like that was very good you know i don't think he hears that perspective right well sam's sam's a brave man sam harris is a brave man because he's already been attacked so many times for having these unconventional but very reasonable positions and yet he still puts them out there and he knows before he puts them out there that he's gonna get some flack and get some but he's he deleted his twitter from his phone he doesn't have twitter on his phone yeah i don't have it on my phone yeah that doing things like that can have a big impact i was talking to shop today he's deleted all social media from his phone he doesn't have any social media in his life anymore yeah i i really only use twitter and i only have it on my desktop so that if i'm i can only check it when i'm like in front of a computer i don't have it worse though

because then you should be writing yeah i mean that might that might be a problem too i might just need to delete it completely i think i going to get a computer that doesn't connect to the internet. I think, you know. Like from 1982? Yeah, they have those. Like Snowden has one that has like a switch. Yeah. You literally shut the Wi-Fi off.

I might need that. So you can't get tempted. Yeah. So like while you're working, the Wi-Fi is off. I mean, you could always go to the Wi-Fi and do the fucking thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it seems like a switch. They have apps for that too. I think there's. Fucking app. No. I mean, you could always go to the Wi-Fi and do the fucking thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it seems like a switch.

They have apps for that, too. I think there's... Fucking app. No. I want a button, like a click. You could just unplug the Wi-Fi. No. No. It's just too tempting because this...

I mean, you're a writer. You know as much as anybody. The temptation to procrastinate. Yeah. It's so hard to avoid. I mean, I would... I actually want to know how many words i've written on twitter and i've deleted i always kind of just delete i'll go have a mood where i'm like i'm deleting everything and then i'll just delete every tweet and so i was thinking like god

it's it's really a shame how many books i've written on twitter great american novel twitter has also given you a very large following that's how i mean i i knew you yeah store but i really got into your shit because of twitter yeah no i i think you can tell pretty quickly about someone on twitter i think it's the best social media for seeing who someone is because everyone no one's afraid to be kind of their piece of shit self on twitter you know it's really the most it's the most honest i think of social media is because it's primarily a battle of the wits and yeah um it's not if you choose to engage it's not so much uh like instagram which i can't stand i don't know how people i i don't know how anyone does instagram are you on it i'm on it but i never use stand i don't know how people i i don't know how anyone does

instagram are you on it i'm on it but i never use it i hate it i go on about it i just every it's so fake it's so curated i know because all the people on instagram showing me their lives they call me with all their problems i'm like i know what's going on in your life bitch it's not looking like this it's so true and so i think it's just as like phony to me and i go in there and i'm like, I know what's going on in your life, bitch. It's not looking like this. It's so true. And so I think it's just as phony to me, and I go in there, and I'm like, I can't. And all the women are just, how does anyone feel okay about themselves on there? I spent five minutes on there.

I was like, I'm old. I'm ugly. I'm getting chest wrinkles. How do I get rid of chest wrinkles? I got to call Whitney. Call Whitney. Yeah, she'll get you on an AD drip. Yeah, this filter thing that everyone's using is so badass. Oh, that one that you posted about your daughter's filter made you the pretty lady?

How weird is that? You know, that was used in a class at Texas Tech. That's terrifying. Yeah, it is terrifying. Yeah. But that's terrifying yeah it is terrifying yeah but that's what girls are dealing with they look at themselves in the mirror and then they look at like like the the courtney or chloe which one none of those people are real but the which which which was the one where she had a totally different head oh maybe the i don't know any of them the old one

which one you're right which one chloe chloe okay you know what she looks like yeah she looks one way and then the picture was like okay who's this yeah and it wasn't her i mean they're doing stuff they're moving their frame around and changing yeah but they're also doing stuff in real life but this one was so bad that she photoshopped one side of the chain on her neck off so she's wearing a chain she's got like a little chain but she didn't realize it's a very thin chain that she had accidentally photoshopped one side of the chain was gone was not in the image like look at it oh wow but look at the the chain like half like on the right hand side the chain is missing oh yeah because is that even her body i mean i guess maybe that is so great i mean but it's so damaging it's so much pressure for young girls and her as well she's

gonna go outside i'm not worried about her um but i'm worried about her too okay i'm worried about her she's a human being she is stop but that's. But. That's how you get people off your case. Yeah. You attack other people. No, I'm not attacking. No, I'm attacking you. What you're doing is problematic. It's terrible.

She's a person. She's a human being. You're dehumanizing a Kardashian. It's really bad. I know. It's not cool. I don't feel bad for them. They're rich.

Wow. But that's a problem when you say things like that because they suffer from mental illness as well as anybody. We all suffer. We do, but it's easier when you're rich. Can we just agree on that? I think that could be the same picture. Well, how do they do the face smile?

I don't know. That doesn't make sense. I don't mean the exact same photo. Sorry, but like the same photo shoot. Oh,'s crazy i don't know what they they have a lot done to their bodies too i think someone could probably do that at a doctor's office could make her look like that i mean if i had enough money maybe you think so get crazy we'll see when i have money i'll be like hey i'll come in and look money. I'll be like, hey. I'll come in and look completely different. I'll be like, where's Bridget? And who are you?

I'll be like, I'm Bridget. I just got rich and now I have tons of work. Yeah. I've reconstructed my entire being. Remember when Renee Zellweger did some stuff? Yeah, it ruins her life. What do you, you can't, we know what you look like. What was the, who was the original one who did this?

Jennifer Grey. Yeah. Yeah, who was the original one who did this? Jennifer Grey. Yeah. Yeah, she said it ruined her life. She was like known for her nose and then she got the nose job and then it kind of ruined her ability to get booked. To work. Yeah. Oh, wow.

I think she said that. I might be making that up. That makes sense. But she kind of stopped working. Yeah. And she was hot. Yeah. I mean.

Yeah, I mean, it's a nose that's not perfect does not make you unsexy. It just doesn't. It comes from within. Let's not get crazy. She had a beautiful body. She had a great personality. She was pretty. She just had a non-perfect nose. It's funny. what so do i a lot of people i was just joking about this the other day like someone

was asking me how i stay sane and covid and what i'm doing i'm like i focus on the only two things that matter in life being hot and rich try to try to get hotter and richer that's yeah that's the run i get mad on twitter i do push-ups well it's just you know the temptation to alter your face like that is uh i guess if you see what some of the success stories yeah you know like some of the other kardashians that have done it and it worked out awesome yeah there's a lot of pressure you know there's definitely i was not too into any of it and then i started being on camera more with all these media hits and i was like oh man i had a somebody did a screen cap for one of the interviews i did i was like does the person doing this hate me why would they choose that i look like i was eating sheet

cake for breakfast did they catch you like with eyes half closed with the mouth open i was like how many chins do I have? After this, the last time I was on your show, I just kept getting emails, stop eating bread. Wow. People were saying that to you? That's so rude. Yeah. Calling me, texting me, and emailing me. Friends?

Friends were saying those. Stop eating bread. Yeah. This is the kind of pressure that Hollywood puts on you. Can't you just be funny? Yeah, but. Can't someone just be funny and smart? I mean, fat shaming works.

It does work. That's the problem. It's worked on me. It's worked on me. When I went on that carnivore diet, one of the reasons I got up to like 205 pounds, which for me is kind of fat. I was getting a belly. I was getting these love handles and we did this weigh-in thing for Sober October.

And people were like, look at your belly. I'm like, fuck. It is kind of sticking out. And I got there for that episode at the worst time. Because I had eaten. And I eat like a wolf. I eat like there's no food coming forever. I'll eat like two steaks, like a bowl of pasta.

You must love Texas. I love it out here yeah i could eat barbecue for breakfast which places have you gone to what's the one where matthew mcconaughey um this the oh it's the one where matthew mcconaughey um said his favorite famous line in days and confused it's that oh it's good they use terry blacks no it's spit fire spit there's so many out here you can't be bad and stay open yes oh so good it's the place so good for a place that has like two million people living in it they have like 150 000 barbecue spots there he is right there yeah it's not painted like that anymore all right all right yeah uh yeah that

place was amazing i went to the other one that's really big um the really famous one that's kind of out franklin's no i haven't been there yet i heard it's amazing la barbecue no it's uh yeah it's like an hour a lot of us just naming barbecue places yeah um i found out through adam curry that that actually was uh germans come came here and they they had like a smoked meat tradition from germany and that's and they brought that and it became texas barbecue have you been down to green green yeah green texas it's it's not far but there's like a old um it's a dance hall kind of common we went the other night. It was awesome.

There was just a guy. I have a video. Did you dance? You can't dance because everybody has to kind of social distance in there. And he was just sitting on stage playing the guitar. And I don't know. It's a tiny little town, but I think there is a German founded town. Yeah, it's interesting.

Fredericksburg is very German, and that's a place that's got a lot of craft places and wineries. Yeah, there's tons of history here. I was in Georgetown, and there was a protest in front of the city hall because there's a Confederate statue. It was a small protest how many people um it was mostly white people and do you think they got there because of a russian troll account i don't know the guy we i spoke to like one of the confederate like dudes after supporters well

he's a descendant of these fighters and he was trying to explain that they just don't want them to desecrate. He's like, we wouldn't go down to Green and desecrate their soldiers, and they were Union soldiers, and we just think you don't desecrate soldiers. That was like his whole argument for it, and he's like of the lineage. And so I was just chatting with him, and he was saying. I'm a descendant of Mao, and the way I feel is like, leave Mao alone. And he was like, you just don't come and desecrate the statues and whatnot. But he said they came every Tuesday, and they left it dark.

And it seemed like they were a reasonable conversation. It seemed pretty, you know, reasonable. It wasn't like screaming on one side and another. It was like pretty chill. It is a good question, right? Like if there's something that's openly racist and represents one of the worst aspects of our country's history, like how do you treat it?

Do you just leave a statue up? Or should we have like, maybe we should have like a graveyard for Confederate statues. And you could go. And this one was actually in Huntsville, Alabama. It was actually in front of the courthouse until last year. Isn't that crazy? And you could go on a tour.

Instead of taking them down and smashing them, wouldn't it be interesting if there was a place you can go where you could see all of them? But then people would go. They'd be like, we need to put these back. Put them back where they belong. Well, I feel kind of like, yeah, we don't need them. But the problem is there's a process that we usually go through to take them down.

So I would generally err on the side of going through the process. Yeah, but the process doesn't work sometimes yeah exactly and sometimes people just feel like they just want to pull them down i spent this is another thing that's going on right now this is the perfect storm the convergence of all these different things that are happening at the same time and one of them being the covid lockdown yeah social media the covid lockdown the polarization of our country with trump and then you know this this weird thing where everybody has to pretend that biden isn't dying like this is all happening together at the same time like everyone has to pretend he's gonna do a great job i'm gonna vote for him we just need to

get trump out of office like oh my god like yeah can we freeze this yeah we freeze this and rethink this do you guys have anybody else on deck no one i mean i guess harris is on she's wearing timberlands i guess she's one of us i seriously love the tweet whoever it was it was like oh found the undercover cop but like anyone who sees anyone wearing these in a club this brand new is the undercover cop but charlamagne charlamagne on instagram was like you know because they were saying that she's bringing back Timberlands. And he was like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, he's in New York.

Like, dudes in New York have been wearing Timberlands forever. They've been wearing them since the 80s. Or whenever they started wearing them, they never stopped wearing them. Like, she's bringing back Timberlands? That's like some guy saying, I'm bringing back Chucks. You know? I'm bringing back Converse All-Stars. Fuck you, you are.

They never went away, man. You can't bring back something that never went away. And Timberlands, in New York especially, never went away. Yeah, you're not allowed to go back to Biden. You're not allowed to say that. You're problematic. Yeah, I'm a problem. But I've been getting canceled for that for six months now i said in that column

i said something like he may or may not be slipping into dementia i mentioned about why i'm not voting and then someone from the new york times said that is a widely debunked conspiracy theory that he's slipping into dementia and i said okay i said may or may not. And can you post, like cite your source for where this has been debunked so that my, like people reading this thread can see it. And this New York Times researcher, writer says, well, I've seen him speaking. And that's just what I gather from, like you seeing something isn't widely debunking a situation. That's not you. Okay, so you see something and have a different opinion and other people have a different opinion that's not widely like oh well i've seen it and that's it could you imagine let's let's pretend that kamala harris was the democratic nominee and biden was a republican could you imagine how savage they would be at attacking his mental incompetence?

Yeah, no. No, that's actually a really interesting thought experiment. This bizarre bias comes into play. And this is where everybody's getting gaslit because they're pretending that everything's okay because all they want to do is get Trump out of office. want to do is get trump out of office but in doing that you're exposing this very bizarre tendency that people have to comply and to go along with these lines of thinking and behaving and talking and i can't get into that man because that's cult shit yeah that's religious shit i mean that's where these things come from they come from everybody not saying what they really feel because there's an agreement that's been made and everybody you're going to be on the right team aren't you you're going to do the right thing

you're going to do the right thing aren't you yeah or we'll burn your fucking house down some guy we have to stop these fascists or we'll burn your house down some guy offered me an interview with someone who i probably could get an interview with him anyway and he said if you vote for biden i will get you this guy as an interview come on we have to save the country what those those real message i got like hey bro like jamie's laughing that's so yeah that's just i understand where you're going with it's like so crazy yeah it's fucking insane it's come on we have to save the country are you sure what what about what about it do you want to save the country what what what part is going to save what is it what's going to happen

when i was on i did one of uh brett's um unity campfires and oh did you yeah and you know i was asking i was like everyone is saying that the other side is the existential threat and then brett was kind of like well we need to come together because this that is the existential threat but everyone but isn't that i'm like why is everyone on flight 93 you know like everyone's scared of course but it's also i i guess maybe i have optimistic faith in america Like, I don't really see how Trump or Biden, like, how can, I don't know. I hope that either one of them can't destroy America in four years, because that means America's already fucked. Yeah. Well, we're kind of fucked.

I don't like saying, I know my 16 my 16 year old nephew and all his friends listen and i don't want to give these children no hope for the future they have hope for the future but we're fucked do they yeah we do yeah yeah listen we're not in the fucking dark ages no the mongols aren't coming over the hills with horses and flaming arrows this is what i always say we're like people are like there's a civil war i'm like I'm like, America's too fat for a civil war. Who's fighting? What does that even look like? There will be more armed conflict.

There will be. That's going to happen. Because when you have things like the Kenosha guy who shows up with an AR and guys try to take his gun and he shoots them. Yeah, they're LARPing. All of this stuff is crazy. All of it's crazy. More of that stuff is going to happen if you have more of these conflicts and they're in seattle well the guy in seattle is not a kid well was it seattle or portland where he shot shot that portland right portland it's all the

trump supporter yeah it was portland yeah that guy was not a kid he's just a fucking sociopath yeah who found a team that he could get with yeah did you see the interview with him with vice before they killed him yeah before they killed him before the cops killed him what an idiot did did you ever see um documentary now that show where they made fun of vice they parodied vice it that interview with that guy reminded me exactly of the documentary now parody of vice it was like this can't be real well they interviewed a guy after he killed a guy in the street with a gun and then was justifying it with like here's my face here i am i definitely did it like admitting that he did it and the way he did it was in this weird culty way like what he was saying i i wasn't gonna let him kill one of my friends of color that's what he was saying, I wasn't going to let him kill one of my friends of color.

That's what he said. But it was so clear that this is a person who's like saying the things that he thinks you're supposed to say to signal that you're on this team. I think they believe it though. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, if you believe Trump is literally Hitler, all of that behavior makes sense. Yeah. Because what lengths would you go to stop hitler but it's the same thing in not calling out joe biden yeah right not saying that

joe biden is is having mental issues is the same thing because it's all you're what you're doing is you are you're saying things that don't necessarily have to make sense but they align you with a group right they align you with you're compliant you're fitting into the words that need to be said, that, it's a cult. Yeah. It's, and on both sides. Oh. It's right wing and left wing.

Trump devotion syndrome. Oh my God, it's crazy. So there's Trump derangement, which is real, and there's Trump devotion syndrome, which is the MAGA side. And it is. It's real. Oh, I, we made fun of him on dumpster fire just because he said something like completely retarded and deserves to be my all politicians deserve to be mocked

what happened america we used to make fun of all of our politicians and so i think at that in that same episode i had made fun of like ben and the whole cardi b thing where he went viral which was hilarious by the way if you listen to a gynecological condition I had made fun of Ben and the whole Cardi B thing where he went viral. With us, pussy. Which was hilarious, by the way. It's actually a gynecological condition. If you listen to the whole 10 minutes, it's a pretty good bit. It's pretty funny.

He's funny. Oh, yeah. He's really funny. He's a smart, funny dude. He's funny. So he retweeted it, and my cousin calls me. She's like, our comments on YouTube are like insane people defending Trump. They couldn't get past two minutes of us. The next segment, we make fun of Biden and then proceed to make fun of Nancy Pelosi and

everything else. But they could not get past two minutes of us making fun of dear leader. Yeah. Well, there's an issue. I mean, and it works on both ways. There's Trump tweeted a thing recently with me and Matt Taibbi talking about Biden, where I said that Biden- Oh, the flashlight?

That's a great joke. Thank you. Well, I'm a comedian, and I was making a joke. But on the same podcast, we talked about Trump being a sociopath. We talked about all his lies. He just fucking lies. It was not a Trump-supporting podcast. Yeah.

But Trump's like, good enough, snip, post it, rah, MAGA, and everybody's like, yeah.

Joe Rogan's MAGA. This is the world we live in. Yeah. We live in this world with no nuance. Yeah. And it's very culty. But I wonder how many

of those Trump supporters that you get on Twitter are bots, because a lot of them, a lot of them are. No, the devotion is real. The devotion's real is real i mean i know people in real life who are borderline q anon and they're they cried watching you know the rnc for sure they're they're the

devotion and i understand look i get it too because he he rose out of the domination of the mainstream media, the culture, the domination of academia, Hollywood, all of it. And he was like a fuck you vote by many people. And they feel like he is defending them. And the thing I hear from them over and over again is he will stand up. He'll stand against this tide of insanity coming from the left. He'll stand up for

us and that's why smart people are voting for him and that's a silent vote right now yeah that's a that's gonna be just like 2016 this is propaganda what what i thought everybody felt the way i feel how this is another thing i keep hearing which is hilarious people who told me that he could never win in 2016 and that it was impossible are telling me again it's impossible he can't win i'm like you're telling me the thing that already happened that you thought was impossible is impossible what kind of logic is this it doesn't even they're so crazy sense and when you know the the thing about russian meddling when people talk about russian meddling i love this but here know the the thing about russian meddling when people talk about russian meddling i love it but here's the real thing about russian meddling the real thing is

these trolls like they do affect people yeah they do it really does work like if you get enough of these troll accounts that they literally hire to post pro-trump things and anti-biden things and memes and all these things that like i it catches people up in the wave and they want to be a part of that group of people that's piling on against biden yeah and piling on for trump and a lot of it like there was one um what there was a protest it was i think it wasn't in austin i forget where it was but it was a protest against white rage this is a protest and this dude traced the ip address back to russia he's like this is great but they're organizing oh yeah protests i know i know renee di resta she did this whole uh study of it and it was

it's really fascinating it is because she found hundreds of thousands of these posts oh yeah that were all from this internet research agency in Russia. They're funny, some of them. Yeah, I know. I love it when something's trending on Twitter and someone will be like, it's 9 a.m. in Russia. You know, like the bots have logged. When it's something random, you're like, why is this trending? And it's something anti-Biden or sowing dissent.

And it's like always spelled wrong. And it's just like oh russia's logged in for their work day we do it too this is what's fucked up about it it's like we're talking about meddling in our elections but like you know what that's like that's like someone who's a fucking thief yeah saying someone's been stealing from me like what they're stealing some shit you stole yeah like what are you talking about yeah we do that with other countries yeah if we're upset that china is fucking with us, you don't think we fuck with China?

Come on. I know. It's like the American supremacy kind of mentality where it's like, how dare these countries who we've historically meddled in their elections meddle in our elections? Don't you understand? This is outrageous.

We're the police of the world. Yeah. No, it's a wild you know i i had a funny experience kind of observing how people will engage with these bots and my nephew who's probably too young to be on twitter has kind of recently got on he's like they call me d he's like look d i had a tweet that went pretty big and it was like him making some comment about they were coming after Lizzo. And he made this kind of. They were coming after Lizzo. For some reason.

And he made some comment about it that was smart, but it wasn't necessarily like, you know, A to B logic because he's like 12. And people, adults were commenting and yelling at him. And I'm like, oh, this is why I'm never going to argue with someone I don't know on Twitter again. Because they might be 12. It might be a 12-year-old. Very likely. Either 12 or, what is this? Report, Arizona teens paid to file social media posts for campaigns.

Whoa. This is a Washington Post report of yesterday. Whoa. Yeah. This is a Washington Post report of yesterday. Apparently they're being paid, and then when asked, this is the quote from the CEO of the company. Real kids operating their real social media profiles and promoting mainstream American values.

Well, Jake Hoffman, president and CEO of Rally Forge, said in an emailed statement Wednesday that the posts were nothing more than, in his quote, real kids operating real social media profiles and promoting mainstream American values. He said, what these young Arizona activists are doing is honest and sincere political activism in the 21st century and in the age of COVID-19, whose firm was linked by the post to the Turning Point Project. Oh, it's Turning Point?

Yeah. It did not respond to questions. Neither Turning Point Action nor the affiliated Turning Point USA responded for request. Turning Point is a conservative youth outreach organization. Its founder, Charlie Kirk, was a featured speaker at the Republican National Convention. Yeah. So it's like a sweatshop of like... Yeah, we're starting to figure out how much they're paying to see like if this is like a job or... Like it's just a sweatshop so they're paying kids yeah we're sort of figuring out

how much they're paying to see like if this is like yeah political activist kids imagine if there was a lot of money in it if you got like real writers start like people like you start oh i could sow some serious dissent everybody on both sides should be happy I'm not on either one of these fucking sides. And you too. For real, right? They should be thanking us that we're not picking a fucking side. Because I will bury the other side. I know, right? I've thought of that before. I've thought of starting an anonymous account and just saying all the things I really feel.

And just going to war with people on Twitter. I've never done it and I won't do it. I really won't do it. Because I feel like the problem with that, being deceptive, like here's what I'm 100% committed to. If I say something, it's because I mean it. Yeah.

I have to do that. Yeah. That's got me here. And we might be wrong a lot of the time. I'm wrong a lot. All the time. But I'll tell you I was wrong. Yeah.

But you can trust that the words that come out of my mouth are what i really think well i think and i could be wrong but i think we share a somewhat desire to explore honestly honesty you know honestly what i'm feeling yeah and sometimes i have to push back against myself sometimes i'll say things so that i can get pushback and hear see the blind spots i'm not gonna know what my own blind spots are unless i put my opinion out there and hear back from people not all of it is great some of it's really reasonable criticism that i yeah i can take

in from people i respect you know and not not even people who maybe i am completely, if someone is not even my friend, but they critique something in a respectful way, I'll hear that. You know, I don't, I feel like it's necessary to just, I try really hard to be honest. I can't, it's not lucrative for me. To be honest? No. I think it is ultimately. There's no money in nuance, kid. I don't think that's true.

No, I mean. I think it is ultimately money in nuance kid i don't think that's true no i i mean ultimately yeah yeah ultimately there is there's there's a future in that ultimately but we're this is one of the reasons why i'm so steadfast today it's because we're in the most polarized the most ideologically based time ever in terms of like you have a side you stick with it you battle against the other side and i see this from smart people and it drives me crazy yeah it drives me crazy because i'm like i know you're smart because i know you're educated i know you know a lot of facts but you are so fucking stupid about human nature yeah to behave like this because you're denying

the very thing that literally has made us racist the very thing that's made us go to war tribalism yeah this is what it is all of it stems from people who look like me or people who think like me or people from the patch of dirt that i'm from those are on my team yeah we got to stick together and we got to all agree yeah but that that's nonsense that's nonsense and we know it's nonsense we know that in 2020 that we don't have to think like that that's nonsense that's nonsense and we know it's nonsense we know that in 2020 that we don't have to think like that it's not smart yeah i i mean i think that our founders really understood human nature and they had this insight which i still don't know how they managed to have it it's a miracle amazing i mean jonah goldberg wrote this amazing book suicide of the

west and he talks about all of this essentially how the enlightenment and we just stumbled on this miracle and in the end he has the appendix i'm like if anyone in america should read anything it should just be the appendix of his book which is all the stats of how much humanity has been lifted out of the dirt you know and we've lifted up even in developing world like everybody's doing yeah there's problems obviously but everybody overall it's never been more convenient and easier for humans to just exist and i sometimes feel like is this just humans because they're not fighting and trying to like survive they're self-destructing and having to

create that reality for themselves is life just too easy there's a lot of that there's a lot of the existential risk the the real risk of of humanity up until now has been war murder death death it was so hard to live so hard and that was what people concentrated on but now because of i mean who who was just discussing this with me the other day was it douglas murray maybe or was it i don't forget who it was so many yes anyway so many guests yeah but this is this is part of the problem with social media is like the problems that you have today are big to you because you do not have big problems right when you have big problems if you have someone in your family that you love yeah that's that that's dying or sick someone calling you a fuckhead on twitter doesn't mean anything to you yeah but when you

don't have that and then you're like hey fuck you you know like then you that that twitter comment is the thing that gets you yeah and that gets you out of like then you that that twitter comment is the thing that gets you yeah and that gets you out of bed and you check the comments and see what else did they say oh and i said this let's see i got them now yeah you know and that's this is your conflict this is you with a catapult it's shadow boxing though it's crazy because it's like i know women on the east side in new york who are online all day battling and they're like i'm so tired this is so exhausting i am in so much distress i mean it's mental illness it's in there and i'm like you're doing this to yourself you are all doing this to yourself it's not a lot of the conflict

and i was saying this on twitter the other day i'm like i'll be worried about america when no one can tweet like you're all tweeting and you're online bitching about something or other when you have like you said when you have somebody for instance a cancer diagnosis someone in my life recently thought they were diagnosed with cancer but they weren't for that 24 hours you realize that is your life now well that's how i felt at the beginning of covid the beginning of the lockdown i really thought it was going to be like september 11th like when september 11th came around everybody joined up we all got together because we all realized like hey all this petty bullshit is not important what's really important is we got a fucking band together because we're going to run out of toilet paper and food because there's a

disease coming that's going to kill everybody and then when that didn't happen it's like it ramped up the other way everybody just got crazier hey it just goes to show you how hilarious it is that people were talking about toilet paper. You're like, maybe this. Tom Green had a great point, though. Tom Green's point was when you go to the supermarket, toilet paper is a light item, but it takes up a lot of space. Yeah. And you only have so much shelf space. And he goes.

It was just people seeing other people stockpiling it. Yeah, when they take it and then it's missing. Dude, I don't have one now like that's not the first thing i would think of that i i've i've also worked in farms and like shit in the woods so oh yeah so you you can you know i'm that's not my first thought in the apocalypse like that's what i need to to stockpile which i'm like water yeah exactly it shows you how disconnected we are with real threat like oh what am i gonna do i'm not gonna be able to wipe my ass from all this food that i'm binge eating while i'm locked down and netflixing like that's not a real crisis guys and drinking constantly everybody's drinking went up like some oh yeah it was like 20 percent

more while the bars were closed alcohol consumption rose like 20 i am on a i had to it was hard for me because i'm sober and i'm on threads with my very irish catholic family and for the first couple weeks it was just pictures of their their booze stockpiles which i 100 would have done if i was back in my drinking days before even water it would have been it would have been booze yeah i mean my family i i always tell this joker like it's something that's just funny in our family it was like police it was uh police vickers liquors and then fire on the emergency contacts that's real my grandmother had that in our growing up more like let's be real fires don't really start until after we drink like oh my god it's so funny yeah it was it was i think it it's just interesting to see

when i remember when it first started i was uh it was kind of eerie like no one was out in la that was and it was rainy and those first days i went down to the beach there was no one on the beach there was no one even driving and i walked by this guy he was kicked back in his sofa he had his television on he had a beer he was on his phone just with a nice little throw and i was like this is apocalypse light you know it's not really like i've never seen a more perfect picture of what the modern apocalypse looks like it's not fighting for i just remember remember katrina when it got really bad down there and people were fighting for food and it got it got savage really really quickly in those um and i think it was in like

the superdome yeah have you ever read the book No. I couldn't read fiction for two years after I read that book. And it's all about a pandemic of blindness hits people and they all get put in quarantine. They get quarantined together, the people who are getting this blindness. And then the wife of the guy who gets, he is like stricken with blindness, she fakes it so she can be with her husband.

And she's witness to all the shit that goes down once all these people are out of society and in this quarantine and it's like rapes and murders and stealing and just how quickly it kind of the veneer of society deteriorates who wrote it um oh god he won a pulitzer for it. I'm going to blank on it. Thank you. He's a great writer. It's amazing. Yeah.

So I think that we're, you know, it's pretty under the circumstances. The other thing that I've been kind of surprised about is, like you were saying, there's going to be more armed conflict. I was like, I'm pretty amazed at how restrained people are very amazing very amazing like 300 million guns maybe probably 400 million now in more than people more guns and people yeah and just a few shootings pretty restrained yeah pretty restrained especially especially considering the videos of cops shooting black people especially when you think about how crazy it could have gotten. There's been some horrific incidents.

Yeah. This is a really bad one. I think it was in Baltimore, this white guy walking on the street, and for no reason, this black kid runs up behind him and hits him in the head with a brick. Yeah.

And the guy face plants, and the people that are filming it are in a car, and they're laughing while the brick hits the guy, and the guy face plants on the concrete. So much violence. But for no reason, right?

Yeah. It's crazy. But so little of that comparatively. Yeah. To what it could be. Yeah. I mean, you know, there's a lot of people that thought a real race war was going to happen in this country. But I think most people, the vast majority of people are not racist the vast majority the vast majority of

cops i think are not racist i think the vast majority of people are not violent or evil the vast majority that's why you can just go places yeah that's why it's not a fucking shooting gallery everywhere you go yeah the vast majority of people are not violent or evil. It's just we have human beings living together in a very imperfect scenario. Yeah. We were talking about this the other day. You don't hear about the planes that land. There are so many people doing so many good things all the time.

That's a great point. You don't hear about the planes that land. And so you're only hearing, even in police shootings, it's like we focus, and a lot of this I blame on the media, is like, it would be like only focusing on planes that crash. But it's not even the media anymore. A lot of these things are just online videos that go viral. Yeah, yeah. But I think that so much of the division and that like picking narratives,

they're driving narratives. And people are obviously kind of partaking in this, but I still think that it's, when I first, like you said about the early days of the pandemic, I thought the same thing because you would go out and there was, you'd have this kind of like you'd look you have your mask on or whatever you walk and people were out walking because they couldn't go to the gym or anything and there would be that you kind of look at each other with that

solidarity there's that feeling of like yeah we're in this yeah and it was only two weeks later before people are crossing the street angrily i got mass shamed by a guy. We were walking and I had my bandana just around my neck and he was very far away and he was like, no mask, no mask, screaming at us. And I'm bright red. You're a bad person. You don't have a mask on. But he's, I'm like, dude,

you're going to have a heart attack before COVID ever kills you. Just yelling at people who don't have masks. And he's not going to, I would have to spit in his mouth for him to get COVID from me. He's not going to get it from me from a block and a half away, just yelling. And this is where I think people

are driving themselves insane. Well, the unhinged have never had a better time. This is their time because they have so much company. You know, if you're an unhinged person, like you're on team unhinged, like, oh, look at all the people on my side. side weren't you the one who had that tweet that was like we have a mental health problem that's a we have a gun something about guns and mental health yeah i feel like mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a

security problem yeah that's a great tweet i think about that all the time because man is that played out yeah because now we're just seeing the mental health and the tyranny. Yeah. Well, we legitimately have a gigantic mental health problem in this country. Look, I'm a person who I've done a lot of things. I have a family. I'm happy. I have good friends.

I'm successful. And I have mental health problems. Yeah. We all have mental health problems. Yeah. And my mental health problems are very minor. I just problems yeah and my mental health problems are very minor i just want to be real clear they're very minor but i get weirded out sometimes we all do we all we all get in funk sometimes we all have issues we all have issues yeah when something challenges us and we don't have character and we don't have a history

of overcoming issues and we don't have tools in terms of like whether it's exercise or meditation or yoga or whatever you do to alleviate tension. And then you have the fucking gasoline, which is social media. Yeah. And you're throwing gasoline on your fire instead of figuring out a way to put out the coals. You're just going to have madness. And there's so many people that are unhinged right now. Unhinged. There's so many people that are unhinged right now.

Unhinged. And they've been alone and isolated. And it just shows how much you need that social interaction. Yes. Because people, I feel like, are losing their manners. You know, I've heard from many people. And my sister texted me. She said, I just saw a real-life Facebook fight at dinner. And it was like, and someone else texted me.

And he said, I just saw a real life twitter interaction in the grocery store so this behavior that generally is relegated to the way we are when we're anonymous or not anonymous online with each other that you would never necessarily be if you were face to face because everybody's been online it's like they're starting to behave that way in real life that's not good well that's what everybody's afraid of, was afraid of when it comes to like video games. Yeah. People are afraid that like violent video games

are forcing people or were going to cause people to be violent in real life. I don't think that's real. I think they've done studies that that's not real. They've never proven that. I think there's actually violence that has gone down. Yes, I think it's the opposite. But I think that there's something about the way human beings are just interacting with other human beings.

Those video games, you're not shooting a real person. You're shooting an avatar. You're shooting a thing, and it's fun. The thing about interaction with people is you're really hurting someone's feelings. Yeah. And then you get used to doing that. And then you're not around people a lot. Yeah.

Most of your interactions are just this way. yeah and then you get used to doing that and then you don't you're not around people a lot yeah most of your interactions are just this way and then when you are around people you behave in the same way that you would if people were in front of you yeah i mean i think about how much uh like how many mental health tools i need i don't i'm not i i'm like you i have mental health problems i've had anxiety in my past i had debilitating hypochondria that i overcame how'd you overcome it man i i should really write a book about it i should write kill your hypochondria before it kills you because it was debilitating solid title it was debilitating and it was most people don't get past that my therapist was like you how did you do this but it was basically i took um okay so

it was kind of a three-prong attack because i'm like i can't live like this because hypochondria truly makes you feel insane and you know you can objectively know i'm crazy but your mind gets stuck it's like ocd and so it's it's kind of based in OCD because you get stuck in a loop like I would just get stuck in a loop for instance like there's something wrong with my lip there's something wrong with my lip there's something wrong with my lip there's something wrong I don't know I just get stuck in that loop or I have throat cancer I have throat cancer I have you know I would just be like stuck in this crazy loop it's it's insane did it come slowly or did it it got worse did you always have it no um i think i come from like a long line of hypochondriacs though now

because my mom used to have you know those do you remember those books before the internet where it was like if you have this it was like a choose your own adventure but it was like if you have this symptom before the internet there are these books where you'd be like, if you have this symptom, go to page 233. And if you have this, and I remember my mom would use those quite a lot. So I think she has some of it. My dad is just a big worrywart. So I have that kind of neurotic energy, I believe. But I think too, I was smoking a lot of weed. And i mostly got it when i was hung over like that's when it would be the worst as i would be hung over so anyway i had because you're realizing what you did to your body i think i just had i had to attack it from from three different places so

the first is the actual um i was like all right i'm gonna rewire my fucking brain and and i set myself out to do this and i put a rubber band on and i did that stupid thing but it totally worked where if i was like there's something wrong with my lip and i'd snap my rubber band and i'd be like i'm healthy i am i would just replace it with i am healthy and if i should come up with that idea i read somewhere that it's a good way to help with like repetitive thoughts or to just help yourself it I mean I was training my dog at the same time too and I was like yeah this is kind of like dog training I just have to interrupt that you know like that that firing and there's that whole idea of what fires together why it's not even an idea it's like what fires together wires together so every time the other thing i had to do was explain that what fires together wires together so it's

this concept of whatever you're kind of thinking and acting on it it just creates like a pathway a neural pathway in your brain that gets stronger and stronger if they're um if it's like that like for instance if i so this is why part two was replacing the thought but i also couldn't act on it so i couldn't go look in the mirror i couldn't go google anything if i thought i had cancer i had to cut myself off from acting on because a lot of people who have hypochondria they'll they'll obsessively google they'll go get tested for everything they'll spend thousands google they'll go get tested for everything they'll spend thousands of dollars getting tests luckily i was not on i didn't have insurance i was too poor to really like lean fully into my hypochondria that way um and i just had to stop

myself from the action because that you know anytime you have a thought and you act on it it reinforces that connection that like mind body connection and it would reinforce that pattern of worrying and then i had to start observing i kept this is very i guess too it's very like um cbt so cognitive behavioral therapy i didn't know this is kind of what i was doing but i would keep now they have very it's like you keep a record, a thought what they call a thought log. And I would just document when I had the thought, what brought it up, like what triggered that thought, because there's always kind of a trigger. And then what action I took and what action I could take to replace it. And so I sometimes it's just not acting on it at all. And then I started working with therapists on all the things that were underpinning

those, the triggering thoughts. So one was like, I couldn't hold joy. I just, anytime I felt like I was excited about doing anything, I was going to Hawaii, that was when I was like perseverating on my lips. And I couldn't, it was like, I could not enjoy anything without my brain telling me that everything was going to shit and i was going to die so i had to look at that where does that come from feelings of worthlessness upbringing whatever yeah then the other one was shame around sexuality like there was just some a lot of shame around um like i was pretty promiscuous when i was drinking a lot and i didn't i wasn't always proud of the men i woke up with and it happens to the party girls and you know i was an intern i was an international slut and um there were some there were some like guilt i'm catholic too

raised catholic so that shit got squirted in before i had a chance in hell. And so there's lots of shame around that, that I had to really look at and deal with. And, and yeah, so I just started looking at all this stuff. And I like it took me it was work. It was frickin work. And now I'm like, completely free of it. I don't Yeah, that's amazing. You did that. Congratulations. I mean, I, I definitely, I feel like I can live and breathe and i can just be present meditation was big and then i think a lot of people forget that you know drinking and substances are not a coping mechanism they can be if you if you are not using them addictively but for many people like drinking is they'll be like i have a coping tool it's drinking i'm like

that's not a coping tool it exacerbates it whether you like it or not so i had to quit that and i was joking just like how many fucking things i need to do to start my days i'm like i wake up i meditate i have to like you know i have to work out or i'm a crazy person i've got a sweat there's i just know what i have to do yeah and people it's important, I think, instead of, and people ask me all the time how I deal with the online hate. I'm like, just go work out. That's my answer to everything. Yeah, that's an answer people don't want to hear, though,

because it requires effort. And it requires, like, as much as it's difficult when you're sitting down in front of a computer to overcome procrastination and write, multiply that times 10 10 and it's getting to the gym because the physical discomfort of true you're like oh you're like your mind will your brain will mind fuck you yeah that's why i i have these this this i have like mugs and t-shirts that say conquer your inner bitch i love that that's what it is there's there's a thing i it's

it's in me i was talking to david goggins who's one of the most savage people that's what it is there's there's a thing i it's it's in me i was talking david goggins who's one of the most savage people that's on the planet today and he and i had a long hilarious conversation on the phone yesterday about it and i said one of the things that i really appreciate about you is you talk about your struggles like there's a video that i put up on my instagram the other day i just wrote stay hard and it's his video and it's him talking about this struggle that he has David Goggins one of the hardest men alive he has this struggle sometimes when he gets up he just starts feeling sorry for himself he starts feeling like it just like fuck I'm tired I want to do this

yeah and then he he actually says he said those thoughts into a tape recorder or you know a phone or whatever the fuck it is and then listen to it play back. And he's like, I sounded like a straight bitch. Yeah, that's hilarious. But he realized it. And then he got fired up and went out and did it. But what I said to him is what's so important about him and why he's so important to people is because he shows you the weakness.

He shows you that he has these thoughts himself, but he just always wins. He overcomes those. But he knows that those demons are there they're there for everybody but he's just got a long history of overcoming those demons and so he knows that he just has to go to work it's the warrior ethos yeah you know it's something i've really always tried to develop in myself and i respect in other people and i think that you don't have to be a like literal warrior to develop that ethos and it's something that used to be so respected and sparta and there are just so many there's that was something that was revered and i feel like in our society

now because victimhood has become currency like no warrior in the fucking world would ever want to be considered a victim they will die on their own sword yeah and it's important that i think people like david and you and just to to really embrace that spirit and try and promote it because ultimately it feels better to work against your worst instincts it does it just it might be harder but it feels at the end it feels better to work against your worst instincts. It does. It might be harder, but at the end, it feels so good. You don't have to do a lot. This is the other thing that I love about,

there's this great book, Tiny Habits, and it's all about bundling habits and how you don't have to start every day and say, I'm going to start working out every day and hour. No, you're probably going to fail. Just start doing 10 minutes, and then you might do more yeah and then bundle it with one minute of meditation and just start little increments and just be consistent you know that's great advice because it really is about um building healthy habits not so much it's uh it's just my friend said to me, it's more habits, less goals. Because we're so goal-oriented.

And goals are good to work towards, but you're not going to get there without healthy, consistent habits. And people are just, discipline is fucking hard. It is fucking hard. It's hard to be disciplined. It is hard. And the victim mentality, one of the reasons why I reject it so heavily is because it's completely contrary to comedy. Yeah.

Like, if everyone is a victim and you can't, like, have any victims ever, well, then you can't have any jokes. No. Because you're making fun of things that are preposterous. And as soon as you can't make fun of things that are preposterous, like, we were talking before about this Vice thing that was written about uh transphobic episodes of this podcast and one of the things that they wrote was that i incorrectly uh described how caitlyn jenner uh transition or why caitlyn jenner transition i'm like oh you mean

chris jenner isn't really a demon that hovers over his bed and whispers in his ear and converted him to a woman like what the fuck are you talking about it's a this this kind of nonsense is like and by and i know caitlin jenner got mad at me i was only just recounting an old joke from 2016 yeah i got no hate for that person no no i'm sorry if i said the wrong name. I don't, I have no hate. Yeah. We are making big deals out of things that aren't big deals. And we're making, we're turning jokes into literal statements that are, that is hate speech. Yeah. That shit is nonsense. And you know it's nonsense.

Yeah. And you know it's nonsense. We had to, I mean, we were having, there was, we were driving yesterday and there was a Planned Parenthood above a Mexican place that we drove by. And I was like, okay. Imagine you're going in, and they're like, you're killing babies. And it's like, I just wanted to get a margarita. And we were making all these jokes, and I was like, God, it feels so good to just be able to joke freely. Yes.

Because I feel like the world has become just a floor of eggshells. And everyone's walking on eggshells all the time. Can I say this? Can I say this? Because many people are dealing with mental illness. And that's what it's like when you're dealing with mentally ill people. You're constantly walking on eggshells. But I always say to comedians, I'm don't die on your don't die on the content

of the joke die on the right to be hyperbolic yes because that's what they're coming after exactly they'll come after that i'm like don't fight about the content of the joke just fight for your right to be a hyperbolic comedian because that's if we have that we have nothing we have to be ridiculous we're fucking clowns well look at joey diaz yeah he's the best example and in my opinion the funniest guy i've ever seen everything is everything he says is so over the top but that's part of why you laugh yeah you know he's not being honest he's he's making you laugh he's doing comedy and he's doing it by grossly ridiculously exaggerating something so crazy yeah that's why i get mad when comedians are like uh you who are shitting on other

comedians when i see other comedians going after other comedians for their jokes i'm like what the fuck is happening here well they're always bad here's the thing that's this is the fact the comedians that go after comedians for jokes they're always mediocre yeah's the thing that's this is the fact the comedians that go after comedians for jokes they're always mediocre yeah there's this is and i don't i'm not trying to be mean no and i'm not always as a generalization it's the tool of the comic it's not always some of them are good comics that do it erroneously but the thing that they're doing they're doing because there's a feeling inside you that always feels bad that you don't reach the high marks. There's like a thing where you don't quite, and then you see someone step out of line.

Or you see someone take, maybe misstep. Maybe they fuck up. Maybe they make a joke and it doesn't work. And you want to attack them. Yeah. You want to attack. But Patrice O'Neill said it best. And he said, when someone tells a joke that kills, or someone says a joke that offends people and

doesn't work it all comes in the same place yeah and that place is you're trying to be funny yeah that's what you're trying to do you're not trying to be mean you know and i remember particularly the early days of my my stand-up comedy when i was terrible um i would just say anything to get a laugh anything and i didn't have to believe it at all yeah i literally didn't have to mean it yeah if i knew that it would work and i treated i treated comedy jokes like hammers yeah it was like a hammer i'm just looking for a nail like does that work no does that work i was lost in the woods i was had a blindfold and i was feeling for trees yeah everybody though that's what i did. And then after a while, I realized, okay, well, some of these, I have to think they're funny.

And then it works better. And then I just had to figure out who I was. Right. I got into comedy with very little real social life. When I was 21, when I got into comedy, I'd only been fighting. I didn't have a normal childhood. when i got into comedy i'd only been fighting like i didn't have a normal childhood like my child from 15 to 21 was all kicking people in the face and getting kicked like that was my whole life so my whole sense of like what the world was was all fucked up so i had to develop opinions on

things i had zero opinions on politics or weddings or anything so all i talked about for like the first year of comedy was sex yeah that was my whole act common but that's all i had that that's pretty common especially when you're 21 you know what what other life experience do you have and by the way thank god that's what you did because do you ever wonder where you would be if you were that age now oh my god you'd be out in the streets i would have a real problem you'd be at an antifa i don't know what i would do but but the point is like when i would tell a joke outside of sex i really didn't know what was funny yeah i didn't i knew it was like certain things were funny with sex and i so i had jokes. But if I would tell a joke about something else, I was just swinging at the wind. I love the process of finding what's funny, though.

Even though it's uncomfortable and awkward, I was trying to get this bit where I was talking about how my dad sat me down to have an awkward conversation about freezing my eggs. And I was too old. I was 37. about my freezing my eggs and i was like too old i was like 37 i was like dad isn't this like asking me if i want to freeze the chicken like seven days after it's been in the fridge you know you're you're probably not gonna unfreeze that chicken it just seems like too it's like past its prime already i feel like maybe you should have had this conversation with me when i was like 30 not 37 it just seems so and he's like i didn't realize you had a whole chicken metaphor worked out he's like all and so

i was trying to do this and all i kept getting was like oh from the audience and i hate the pity i'm like i'm up here talking about it's fine you don't have to feel bad for me but that's my job as a comedian to be like okay why is everyone feeling sorry for me there's a lot of gals out there freezing eggs and i just want to put my hands on their shoulder and go keep those fucking eggs frozen just keep the eggs frozen stop do you know that 99 of eggs don't get used i'm sure it's something crazy i could be wrong but it's a crazy high percentage of eggs that don't get used listen it's you don't have to have kids it's expensive yeah kids are expensive but freezing your eggs is fucking expensive and you have to store them

you gotta pay a freaking storage fee listen having kids is awesome don't get me wrong yeah but you don't have to have kids like this this idea that the path that everybody takes is the path you have to have there's there's something about it that used to infuriate me when i when i was younger where uh people would tell people with children would tell you you have to have a child yeah and i'm like that feels like a prisoner telling me that i need to commit a crime come with us it's you don't have to no you don't have to i don't look i don't i don't have a like a steadfast rule for anything involving human beings and their path in life as long as they're doing no harm yeah i think as soon as someone does i always feel like they're trying to justify their own path

but try like how many people who do certain things want you to do those things as well i appreciate the honest parents like my sister is like don't have kids and she's kidding but she and it's it's another one of those things that in my instance, it never, it was less about having a kid and more about having a family. And I had never at that point met a man that I wanted to really have a family with. And that was important to me. I know it's crazy. Wanting a man in my life and all. Gonna get canceled for that one um and so it just it

hadn't you know i'm very and then i was i hit 40 and i was like oh shit um am i gonna regret this is it something that you know i'm more worried about looking back and being like i should have but i i just you could always adopt i always adopt. There's so many kids who need good parents. And I feel so. I am truly like that woo kind of hippie chick who's like, I'm right where I should be. I have to believe that. I have to believe. But you are.

You are right where you should be. You're right. Considering especially your past. You are right where you should be. Yeah. And considering. I mean, even just this whole trip to texas has been so informative because i i went to go i went through the process of looking at houses just to see

found out all this stuff but really i was like oh i i can buy a house that's a that was an amazing moment for me because i went bankrupt when i was 26 and I have worked really hard to, I had to repair my credit. I had to get a little baby $300 a month card that I paid off in full. And I had to focus on that shit. And I feel it was a nice moment to be like, okay, all right, I can see the path forward. And so many times in my life when I thought i wanted something like i really wanted to write for maxim when i was 23 i recently found the proposal it's hilarious but i was like yeah i

i was such a i was such a boy like a a boy's girl you know i just i moved a lot and the guys were always nice to me and they always let me in their club so i was at poker nights and bachelorette parties and all that shit where women generally weren't allowed and I had access to just the male brain and they were they felt comfortable being their disgusting selves around me and I didn't judge them for it and and that so I was like I need to write for Maxim I get these dudes I want to write sex advice and I never really got that column i never had i didn't know anybody to even i was living in a small town i was talking to colin about this today i was like i was so delusional i was waiting tables and i was like the town drunk telling people when i was

serving them french fries like remember my name did you really yeah i'm gonna be fucking huge i'm gonna be huge one day they're like just can you get me coleslaw instead of fries young lady what are you talking about i'm pretty sure i saw you peeing in the alley the other night that's why you gotta forgive people when they're young yeah when you when you see someone acting really ridiculous when they're young don't don't write them off forever yeah i mean it's been a lot i mean bounce back the story i think about the long fucking road that has been to even and so i didn't get that but then i ended up writing for playboy which was even better it was on the internet you know and i wanted to write for maxim we only had magazines and it was much bigger than i could have imagined but so

in the same space and so it space. And so there might be another better thing. Rejection, I love that phrase, rejection is God's protection. I love that. And my therapist always says- God's protection. Yeah. It's like you being rejected by a man or a woman or somebody or a life opportunity, it's just because there's something better or you're a jerk. Well, I've always felt like it just means whatever it is, whether you're rejected for a job or rejected, either you're not good enough or the system's fucked.

Oh, see, I mean i mean maybe one of those things is well there's a lot of people that get jobs that do not deserve them and people that do deserve those jobs don't get them yeah that's cronyism nepotism there's a lot a lot of fuckery that goes on with but that's okay too but a lot of times it's a wake-up call there's a lot of people like when you were telling people remember my name there's a lot of people that really believe there's something that they're not and the only way to find out that you are not that person is to be defeated and that's one of the reasons why i think martial arts is so important for men because men have it in their head this ridiculous idea that there's something that they're not and the best way to find out that you are something

that you're not is to get squashed oh yeah so you get squashed a lot i i've eaten a lot of humble pie well anyone who gets good at jujitsu has been fucking manhandled for a long time and to get to reach a black belt in jujitsu or even a purple belt which is what andrew yang thinks every police officer should be and i think so too yeah that's true you get your fucking ass handed to you for years yeah yeah all i mean i can think i can close my eyes just think all the times like strangled tapped i tapped yeah tap yeah tap on my leg ah tap it's just like you just get you lose all the time most men don't have enough opportunities in life to lose losing is very important losing It is important. Failing and losing are so huge. They're so important.

And we live in a culture that doesn't really, it's obviously very success-driven and everybody, and you see the 10 years to become an overnight success or whatever. I'm like, I ate so much. I was telling this story today with Colin just about how I was so delusional and I went bankrupt. I started Phetasy.com because it was greeting cards and t-shirts. And I had this great idea and then I had no business acumen and I drove around America, highest gas prices ever in America, I think to this day, for six months.

And I was like selling t-shirts on the beach, telling people like, yo, remember this? They're like, it's spring break. I'm not going to remember anything. Yeah, I was just delusional. And I would just, I came out here and then my cousin, who's my partner on a lot of stuff, I'm like, you know what, we can turn this company around. I was like on the verge of bankruptcy i'm like we're gonna go to costco and we're gonna get some whiteboards and we got six hundred dollars worth of stuff and two cards i was maxed out on my credit cards i go to pay with my credit card and they're like we don't take credit cards because costco they only take like that one kind american express or i think it's changed now visa or something so they only took one and they

wouldn't take it and then we just had to like abandon these two cards. Like, why did I think that like dry erase boards was the thing that I needed in that moment, spending $600. And I do tell young people who come to me for advice. I'm like, you know, there is, you have to kind of be a little delusional to in a creative path in particular because the the difference

between delusions and dreams is hard work like you're delusional if you're sitting in your mom's basement you're like i'm i'm gonna do this and you're never doing anything but you do need a little bit of overachieving delusion to kind of push yourself you could call it that i would just call it ambition yeah ambition and a trust in the process yeah if you're terrible if you're a comedian you're terrible right and but you think i know a lot of terrible comedians who have been hugely successful so i might comedians. I might attribute that. Few of those are joke thieves. But a lot of them, they start out bad,

but they have these moments where they get laughs. If you could figure out what happened there and then take those embers and blow on them and use it and figure out how to recreate that and then figure out how to get better at it, it can be done. But you also have to be ruthlessly introspective. and figure out how to recreate that and then figure out how to get better at it. It can be done, but you also have to be ruthlessly introspective. And that is a thing that most people are not willing to do.

Most people want to protect themselves from their failures and they want to pretend that it was other people's fault or people were plotting against them or how come it always happens to them or he gets all the breaks and all these. All that shit does you zero good and just pushes people away from you. It creates the exact opposite kind of energy that you need to be successful. What you need to be successful is pain.

Yeah. All my best growth moments in comedy came after I bombed. Like embarrassing, horrific bombings those are when i i got my shit together and i got better and i go oh my god i can't do that again and then i got better there's been a series there's like been there's there's big ones in my life where i was like that like it was the worst feelings i've ever had yeah it's not i've had losses and fights that feel losses feel bad i get ptsd just talking about bombings from bombing's worse than getting your ass kicked is what i'm trying to say oh bombing feels worse than getting your ass kicked it really does i had

one at the comedy store that i still remember like it was yesterday it was it was a monumental It was monumental. A guy that I was kind of having an affair with, actually. He was there with his friends, which was even worse. I would have rather it had been a thousand strangers. And they kept pushing me. And they kept pushing me and pushing me because I'm nobody. And I just kept drinking and drinking and drinking. And I got on stage and I was like, I'm cold and afraid. And that was it. And then I i blanked i couldn't remember anything they music it was her i i it was horrific or you know you

feel me it was 100 i can't watch uh open mic nights i can't like one of one of the reasons why i take great comedians on the road with me, I always take funny people because there's nothing weirder to me than watching someone who's not funny and then thinking I can go be funny. Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't, I feel like nothing's funny. Like, if I see someone eat shit, I'm like, oh my God, comedy doesn't work. Like, there's no comedy. It's not real.

This can't be done. It can't be done. This person's bombing. Nothing is funny. Nothing they're saying makes me think, yeah i know it's funny and then if you go on after someone who bombs who's terrible you have to kind of reintroduce the idea of things being funny yeah like it's a lot more work yeah this has this actually happened to me in a situation that i had no business being in which was often the case with stand-up and it was they had made some deal where bill burr was

performing who's a god and then there was just a bunch of nobodies who that they had arranged that would like kind of just open for him basically so that he could like do his hour that he was testing because he doesn't give a fuck they're not here to see any of us they're just here to see him He doesn't give a fuck. They're not here to see any of us. They're just here to see him. And the girl, I was the girl in between a girl who bombed and Bill. And I was like, this is so much pressure.

Thank God I didn't, in that instance, I didn't bomb. But it was, you were like, the audience is traumatized. Right, right, right. They need to recover. They need to, you need to bring them back and let them know everything's okay yeah there's also the thing where you know that someone who's going on after you is just way better than you and you just start judging your act and judging all of your material oh god second guessing your tag lines and yeah that was like uh who was it jeff garland i was opening for him and i was just so

paranoid i got in my head the first show was a disaster and he's like no one gives a fuck bridget they're here to see me you know he's like you can go he's like i i demand you go out there and bomb and he's like you need to try all new stuff he was great he pushed me he's like i don't care go out and be like there i'm gonna come out because you know him he just has like the awkward silences that he loves yeah he's so i love when he's like no most people in this moment would be uncomfortable it's just silent and they're like sit down just take a load off and yeah i've learned a lot i mean i learned i definitely learned more from bombing than i have from yeah that's where you learn well you definitely learn from killing too i mean well that just feels like feels awesome but it also does teach you

what's good in your act and uh the pacing and correct pacing and like how you're you're presenting bits and i never uh leave a bit alone i until i'm ready to film it i'm always fucking moving things around and trying to find a better way to, and you know, you find out through whether or not it works. What's your process for writing? Well, there's a bunch of different ways. Sometimes I just have an idea

and I just write it down on my phone. Like sometimes I'll be talking to my wife and I'm like, I got an idea. And she understands. So I just run away. I run away, like literally run. And I'll just write it down. Cause I can't,

it's like they're slippery fish. Yeah, they're very, you're like, I'll remember that. I run away. Like literally run. And I just write it down. Because it's like they're slippery fish. Yeah, they're very. You're like, oh, I remember that. You'll never remember it. I know now that I don't remember it. So if a good one pops in my head, I will literally run away in a restaurant. I'll get up and run. Yeah.

And like, what the fuck is he doing? Do you audio? Like sometimes do you? Yes, sometimes. Okay, so you can hear that. Sometimes I audio. Well, also sometimes if I'm high, especially, and I think, I'm this i have to say it because i don't i don't i won't remember it while i'm writing it because i'm really hot you're like this is in the middle of writing

i'm like what was i saying um so i have to say it because it's quick right you know so i have like when i swipe down on my iphone there's the the audio recorder is one of the things that's built in there. Okay, yeah, that's smart. So I just swipe down, hit that, and start yapping. That helps. But the other thing is like sitting, and sometimes they're just ideas that I have that I bounce around in my head while I'm driving around. I'm trying to figure out how to work it out. And then I bring them on stage raw. Sometimes I haven't even written it down.

And I just fuck around with it on stage just to see if I can find a place for it. But then the big thing to me is also sitting in front of a computer. And I know a lot of comics don't like that, but some of my best bits have come from sitting down and going over the bit and going over material and also writing essays. Like I write essays.

And so I'll write like a couple thousand words, but I'll extract a sentence. And that one sentence will be a bit. But if I don't sit and write words, but I'll extract a sentence. Right. And that one sentence will be a bit. But if I don't sit and write that, I don't get that sentence. Right, right. And a lot of comics say, oh, I write on stage. I'm like, yeah, I do too.

I do too. But I also make myself sit down. Like I need a new hour every two years. Really a new hour every year. Because the last year is really just hammering the samurai sword down bing bing bing it's you know honing the blade yeah but the bit the metal has to be in position after a year yeah yeah so i have to get something and you got like you can come up with it on your own you could just just just talk and go on stage and socializing with friends. A lot of times things come out, socializing with friends, good ideas will pop into my head. Like you're laughing, having fun, you say something crazy.

You're like, oh my God, you should use that. And you write that down. But there's no substitute for actually writing. Yeah. For sitting down and writing. Yeah, just sitting your ass in that chair and doing the work. It's like it doesn't hurt. Yeah, no.

This is what I tell young comics. They're like, like well i really feel comfortable writing like that because it always comes out forced yeah get better at it yeah yeah like that's the argument that i've talked to comics that that just do crowd work yeah whenever i do bits it seems fake i'm like well that's because they're not good yeah you gotta get better at doing that do you like crowd work i do it if some shit is going on yeah yeah but you know i just you know i'll do it occasionally just to have fun yeah but i feel like there's this it's a weird sort of fake immediacy like there's a fake energy like oh my god this is coming out of nowhere yeah you know this is so much funnier than it really is because that's people are laughing really loud and because they know that you're coming up with it in the moment

right it's fun sometimes but there's no substitute for real bits yeah like a real killer bit that's what i like when i would listen to richard pryor or sam kinnison or i wanted those fucking perfectly honed chunks yeah you know that's like chapelle i mean god i watch his stuff i'm like he is like a master class just the way that he constantly misdirects and it's like the joke's always on you yeah yeah just so i i mean that opening to the most recent one, The Sticks and Stones. Yeah. It's just how he manages to bring it back to the Anthony Bourdain thing. And then he's like, and this guy. I mean, he's just a master.

You see somebody who's so gifted at that. We're so dedicated. I feel this way about Colin Quinn, actually. That New York special that he did. Did you ever see that? No, I haven't seen it. Holy fuck. Colin's a genius.

He's a genius. I watched it and re-watched it again immediately because I was like, how the fuck did he just do that? He tells the whole history of New York and it's all in jokes. I think Seinfeld directed it. It's on Netflix. It is genius. I've never seen anything like it really it was like the history

of new york in an hour unappreciated so unappreciated yeah yeah and comics appreciate i remember one time i did tough crowd and colin was working the uh um he was uh warming up the audience and he just did a stand-up so there's an audience there to see tough crowd and colin is just doing stand-up for the audience. And it is so good. I remember thinking afterwards, like, wow, his stand-up was so much better than the show itself. Yeah. I was like, it's kind of interesting.

Yeah, yeah. That, like, people don't know how good he is. He's so good. His Red State, Blue State that he did is genius. It's, like, it aired on CNN, and now it's on Netflix. But it was a roast of all 50 states it's freaking hilarious amazing he's yeah he's really under i feel like underappreciated what what have you learned in your time off like what have you learned about your comedy have you

what are your i can live without it and learn that oh i can survive well yeah without it i mean you're not twitchy oh well i got twitchy the one time i did it i did it in houston i did a weekend at the improv but then i got twitchy about giving people the covid i got worried i'm like what if i got it and then i gave it to somebody yeah that would worry me started getting weirded out about that i got weird weirded out about like you know someone who's compromised getting it yeah because of my carelessness and then i thought about i was like also then there's people that are in the audience like are you responsible if people come to see you and then someone in the audience gets covid like are you responsible for that not directly not directly but it's like second hand feel guilt free yeah no you don't feel guilt free like if you find out that a fan who

loved you but was overweight and they came to see you and they got coveted and died after your show like yeah you feel horrible you'd feel horrible if you were so i decided okay this is not i don't know if there's a way to do this where people don't get sick what about the drive-thrus aren't people doing that that seems whack i know bert loves him bert loves him but but bert's crazy yeah and he's always drunk so it's like it's hard to it's hard to he's having a blast he loves it yeah but bert just wanted to perform you know and he figured out a way to do it i mean i'm pretty sure that the drive-in movie comedy thing was his idea oh wow i think he's the one that started doing it and he's the one for sure who's doing it on the biggest scale.

He told me he did a show. I go, how many people were there? He goes, 700 cars. Oh, wow. I go, 700 cars. That's crazy. That's a lot of people. Yeah.

You got to figure that's at least 1,400 people. Yeah, at least. Maybe more. Yeah. And he said at the end of it, they were flashing their lights. It was like a fucking UFO. He said it was awesome. Oh, that's kind of cool.

Listen, he just wanted to be out there. Yeah. He just wanted to be out there doing stand-up. And it's going well. He's selling out all over the place. I feel bad for the comedians who were, like, just getting that momentum. You know, the ones that were grinding and grinding and grinding. Because I've been thinking a lot about this just with COVID.

How much momentum was just stopped. Stopped. All over the world. Just the momentum for musicians. You know, I heard this story about a musician. People starting business. Just stopped. Stopped.

Yeah. People going to college sports, but these comedians who aren't making money. Or musicians who aren't making money. Because musicians only make money touring. Yeah, but we're just about to start making money. Right. Maybe not even like just beginning. Like my money. Right. Maybe not even just beginning. Like my friend Allie.

Allie Makovsky. She was opening for me, just really starting to get paid work, and then was actually starting the headline. And then it all went away. Yeah. I mean, that's what- Now she's living with her mom. Oh, wow.

Yeah. There's no money. There's no money. How do you make money? Yeah. The only way a comic survives today is if they started a podcast before all this shit happened yeah yeah and i have been telling comics this from the fucking jump you were the one who told me to start mine yes and you

listen i did you told me i remember where i was it was at the comedy store and you were like start a podcast i was like joe rogan tells you to start a podcast i guess i was right look yeah i mean it's very successful now the thing is it's it's a vehicle for you to be independent and to not just make money but also to get your voice out there yeah you can get your opinions out there in a way that you don't have anybody leaning over your shoulder like i had um there was a time where i was doing the rounds with some radio people where there was like some offers for me to do a radio thing. And I was like, oh, but there's going to be like someone telling me what I can and can't

say. Right. There's going to be someone bringing me guests like this guest is going to come in and that guest is going to come in. I'm like, I could probably make do with that, but it would also be those, there's uncomfortable moments. I remember when I did radio where the, I knew the DJ did could probably make do with that. But it would also be those uncomfortable moments. I remember when I did radio where I knew the DJ did not want me there. Right.

If they weren't a fan of my comedy. DJs are weird people. And they like comics in a lot of ways. But a lot of them are like comics that never did comedy. Right, right. And they have this insecurity about the comics that are out there battling. Yeah. I remember one guy was mad he goes he said uh looked like he had about two hours sleep he smelled like liquor i'm like yeah yeah i'm a comic yeah yeah i did have two hours sleep i did smell like liquor we were up having a good time i had a show last night

motherfucker yeah you know we were up until four o'clock in the morning just laughing and then i came here at six yeah that's what happened fuck do you expect this is what i do man i'm a comedian but there's something about the the person who just the comic the like a lot of djs i think secretly wanted to be comics yeah just because they'll try to be funny they'll try to be funny. They'll try to be witty morning guy. Yeah, yeah. But they never put their balls in a wheelbarrow and made it onto that stage. Yeah. They never did.

So you were like, no radio? Sticking with the podcast? Well, I just didn't think anybody was going to hire me. Oh, okay. But the problem was I was worried about having a place where I could just say what I wanted to say. I always knew someone was going to tell me not to do something. Yeah, yeah. Like, ugh.

It's so annoying when you say something funny and someone's like, you can't say that. It's like, oh, you fuck. There was an episode of Fear Factor once where this lady could not reach her hand into this barrel. There's this barrel of worms to pull out a piece of paper. And the piece of paper, I think, would say you have to eat one worm or no worms. And I'm pretty sure she was vegan, too. So she couldn't eat a worm

because then she'd have to kill a thing. It was hilarious. So I go, just put your hand in there and grab the paper. She's like, I can't. I go, but you definitely can. Trust me. You can do it. You put your hand in there, you grab the paper, and you do it. I go, it's not that hard. I'm telling you can do it you put your hand in there you grab the paper and you do it i go it's not that hard i'm telling you it's all in your head i'm gonna help you through it and and she's like i just can't i can't i go you're saying you can't but that's not

true it's difficult but you can i go watch i'm gonna do it i go want to watch and i put my hand in there and i pull out a piece of paper i see I go, that's why only men get to be president. And she was so mad at me. I go, I'm joking. I go, but you can do it. But NBC wouldn't do it. They cut it out. And I remember this conversation I had with the producers.

I was like, why can't you say that? I go, you understand I'm joking, right? They go, well, a lot of people are going to get mad. I go, yeah, a lot of people get mad at jokes. But it's pretty clear that I'm joking. And you know I'm comedian and everybody else does too so what are we doing like what are we doing yeah i remember that feeling i'm like it's gonna be that it's gonna be that all day yeah it's gonna be that all the time it's gonna be that but podcasts are the only place where a comic can say whatever the fuck they want yeah but what i've been telling comics from the jump is this is the only place where you can do this yeah where you don't have any other people doing and thankfully

a lot of people have listened particularly like tom segura and christina like tom and i had a conversation they're awesome they're moving out here oh i love her this week she's i just love her yeah um i hooked him up with my real estate agent so we were in the middle of this uh lockdown and me and tom were on the middle of this lockdown, and me and Tom were on the phone. He goes, dude, thank God you told me to do this podcast. He goes, what the fuck? He goes, I was making so much money touring,

and then I was basing my lifestyle off of that. No one ever thought the plug would be pulled on like this. No one ever saw this coming. But not just that. They've established who they are through that podcast in a way like you realize how silly he is yeah and how silly they are together yeah they're so cute yeah awesome they're great they're my fate well they're not my favorite comp yeah they are okay they're my favorite comedy couple yeah but there's a bunch of other ones like bonnie mcfarland and rich voss yeah and uh natasha

leggero and moshe kasher there's a few. Yeah. And that's the answer to these people that say like, oh, comedians should never date other comedians. Yeah, my whole theory. One headshot per couple. Yeah. It's a good theory. It's a good theory most of the time. Yeah.

But like all theories. There's always a, yeah. There's some that work, obviously. I think they don't. The thing I love about Tom, they just don't take themselves very seriously. At all. At all.

Or their opinions. Yeah. And they're not the people, even though they're super successful, they're not the people that tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Yeah, no. That shit's gross. I don't want to do that. It's like you were saying earlier about just letting people kind of find their path. Because what worked for me isn't going to work for thee.

And this is what we're hearing from these kind of extremes is what's right for me is what's right for everybody. What's right for me is what you have to do. And if I think something, you must comply. If I believe something, you can't say a thing, you can't think a thing, you must do this, you've got to adhere to this or that. There's just so much madness in the world

when it comes to this shit. It's weird. It's weird. It's interesting. Like, I understand, you know, Kanye. Clearly, I pray for him. What? You understand him? I understand.

Right when he started wearing the MAGA hat, I was like, I get it. I get it because there was so much pressure, especially like in L.A. get it because there was so much pressure especially like in la and when you're living in that liberal bubble state there's so much ideological pressure i could feel it i could feel myself not wanting to say things and that's why i just was like fuck it i'm saying whatever i want on twitter bro i'll pay the consequences whatever they might be and i'm not gonna censor myself and you know i have the whole theory of on Twitter, if you get a lot of followers for one tweet, you have to immediately tweet something that's the opposite so that you can weed out all the zealots and ideologues

because that's the only way to purify your following from the radicals. Does it work? It does work. I feel like because I can see it in my mentions for the most part, the people who follow me are in on the joke. And there are some really smart, funny people, and I love it when they contribute to the joke.

I'll read my mentions because they're usually freaking hilarious. And then there's always one idiot who's like, oh, this is the most obvious grift I've ever seen. I'm like, do you just? Yeah. Yeah. That grift word, there's too many dorks that are using that word i know it's a grifter because i like using the word there are a lot of people that are fucking grifters yeah but there's too many people using that word it's a good word

it's one of those words it's a fun word it's a really fun it's a fun word to say it just has a good accurate yeah i'll tell you where to find grifters here's a fun thing to do that i i should start just a segment on my podcast i love reading yelp reviews of psychics you want to talk about fucking grifters i could read these for hours you want comedy joe go read psychic reviews on yelp yeah they're they are nothing but grift they they're like I came in and he didn't remember my name he should have known my name when I walked in the scenes that are set like I showed up and this woman was babysitting her grandchild and then she needed me to give them a ride I'm like these people who are psychics are insane it's amazing

all of your audience should take a moment, go read some psychic Yelp reviews. When you're feeling down, you will immediately feel better about life. There's all these people that want you to know that they know a psychic that's real. Like, dude, I'm telling you, she knows. She just knows things.

You got to talk to her. I had a girl on my podcast who was addicted to psychics, and I was like, come on. How bad could it have been? And she was like, I spent $60,000 on psychics last year. I'm like, okay, yeah. That's an addiction. Whoa.

How did she have that much money? I mean, I think she had decent money, obviously. But that's the thing. She was making decent money. If you make more than $60,000 a year, you're probably not that much of a moron right but you've done well i mean if you have that money to blow on psychics that's what's that's what's confusing about it it's crazy it's crazy and i think it got to the point where her psychic started feeling guilty because he told her that she he had to like cut her off that's like a drug dealer that's hilarious bro you you taking in too much of this crack

i thought she was kidding when she said it her psychic cut her off oh my god that's funny amazing it's a whack it was a wacky interview those are dirty people they're evil people those people in the seance people those are even eviler your your father is talking to me from beyond the grave i i sense he misses you yeah oh give me money give me money i was talking to your dead dad do you believe in any kind of psychic powers i think i think it is it is likely that there are evolving senses that we are aware of and that we recognize, but that no one in this current state of evolution has a handle on how to control them.

I think there are moments when you think about people and they call you. I think there are times when you know someone's lying. There's a feeling you get when you know someone secretly hates you. Right? There's weird things where you go, I knew that fucker there's something and i don't know is it like body language that you're picking up it could be that yeah it could be that but there's also things like when you think about someone and they call yeah people

say oh that's a coincidence it you're right it could be a coincidence yeah but i'm not buying that all the time i think sometimes it's a coincidence but i think sometimes there's a strange interconnectedness to life yeah and i think that we used to be animals with no language yeah and then we develop language and you're basically when you're talking to me when you and i are talking and you're speaking with your language you're making sounds and i read your mind through those sounds and i recognize those sounds mean particular things i put them into my own organization of what they mean to me and they mean different things to different people which is why it gets things get confusing which is also why i'm so ruthlessly opposed to compliance because you're forcing me to accept your definition of what these sounds mean and what that means in terms of like what what the what the actual context of it

is and what what what what the intent is behind these sounds and it's it's it's creepy and sneaky yeah wildly debunked yes but i think exactly it's been wildly it's been wildly debunked by my opinion drives me crazy but also just words you can and can't say and yeah but there's something about human beings where i feel like there is a connection that's like almost there yeah it's like it comes together sometimes it's like just every now and then you get it, but you don't always have it. There's something. And when you do mushrooms, you have it in a big way. Yeah.

One of the things of ayahuasca, when they first discovered ayahuasca, one of the ingredients that was later recognized as being already discovered to be a compound called harmin uh they they started calling it telepathy so the first people that were studying ayahuasca the first uh scholars that were studying it were the researchers were calling it telepathy until they realized that you know do the rules of scientific nomenclature, it had already been established that was harming. So they knew what the thing was. But they were calling it telepathy because through this compound, people were having these shared experiences without talking.

And then when they relayed these experiences, they were actually communicating without talking. And they were saying there's a type of telepathy that's possible with this drug i think i think we are becoming something and if we don't interfere we probably will technologically and with neural link and all these other crazy things if we don't interfere i think we will ultimately become more and more in tune with that our ability to sense things and communicate non-verbally and read each other non-verbally there's something about there's something about us where we we connect in this way that is you can't measure it you can't put it on a scale you can't put a tape measure to it but there's something to it i agree my i my best friend and

i have always had that psychic connection and we just thought the adults weren't witches like we were and that they sucked so we always developed it and to this day i can be like call me sarah tele telepathically and she will literally within like a day it feels like i'll hear from her randomly and she'll it's just that we like intuitively know when we need each other and I worked with autistic kids for a while and part one of my many jobs and I kind of have a weird theory that autism and the rise of it is the human brain and evolution and it just hasn't we're kind of catching it mid evolution because those kids have amazing gifts i saw some crazy shit working with autistic kids just things that didn't make any sense like my one example i was working with a kid and he was non-verbal and we were in the

playroom and he was you know he kept he was obsessed with flies. He would get obsessed with different things at different times. And he would look up and then look back and look up, and we were like, I thought it was locked. It wasn't. And he runs out of the room suddenly, runs through the laundry room, runs into the kitchen, and then midair grabs a fly as it's flying. Yeah, I saw this.

I was running on his heels trying to catch him i was like what the fuck and then he brings it back into the playroom and he would like basically play with the fly until eventually it died yeah um and that was just one of the i mean there were so many moments like that with all these different kids where i'm like they're tapped into something else yeah and if you lived in a world and say you had a sixth sense say that you had say that you lived in a world where nobody could see and you were the only person who could see you'd be banging your fucking head on the wall too if you could see and everyone was like what are you talking about so sometimes i wonder if it's not, they're not, like you're saying, maybe the brain is evolving and we're just catching,

it just doesn't fit in society. So they're, they're feeling, because there's a lot that I don't know. I just saw so many of the autistic kids are just amazing. Some people have that feeling when it comes to autism and autistic kids, that maybe that's an emerging type of consciousness. And that even though we're looking at today as being a detriment, that it might be the standard in the future.

Yeah. I mean, they have amazing, because like you were saying, we're animals. And we've done, I've always been fascinated with how out of touch we are with our instincts. Because they still run the show for all of us most people yeah most people right now there's so much fear in that you can feel it everywhere there's so much fear yeah everyone's in fear fear fear fear fear everywhere and that drives so much of this behavior that we're seeing like tribalism and um trying to be a tyrant and rule over people and feeling like you have to

stop anything that doesn't make you feel that even that language like i don't feel safe what is that because of words like what does that even fucking mean i don't feel safe i'm not okay you don't feel safe by my words but you like burning down a city is supposed to be okay you know it's a weird we live in like weird times wherever there's so much but i feel like i think it was really shown in the tsunami remember that huge tsunami that was in like 2006 was it or 2005 no not the one in japan the one that was in the indian ocean yeah and all the animals ran away and all the humans ran to go see all the shells and shit and why the ocean was there were tons of people who drowned because they were like what's happening yeah and that's just evidence to me of how out of touch with i

wonder if our ancestors would have made that same mistake where they're like what's happening i don't know i don't know or would they have been they have been like, we're following the animals. Well, there's a real wonder. What kind of understanding of animals and of the land and storms coming and all sorts of shit that animals seem to tune in. Did we lose when we had houses? Did we lose it is what I'm wondering. I wonder, right? Or did we just never have it and we're morons?

Maybe. Maybe that's it. Well, don't you think also we're so much more capable of expressing ourselves? We're so much more occupied with tasks and things, and whether it's information or computers or TV or different people that we're talking to constantly that the mind is overwhelmed yeah and that how much time do you spend in the woods i spend a lot of time in nature well when you're there and you hear nothing i love it it's weird oh i love it like

there's a weird quiet to the to the mountains like there's a desert too yeah i love it and it also it's humbling because it lets you know you ain't shit not shit you ain a desert too yeah i love it and it also it's humbling because it lets you know you ain't shit not shit that's why i love the desert yeah i love it because it puts me in my place yeah it's like everything in the desert has evolved to survive the harshest conditions on earth and everything there is either trying to kill you or will kill you yeah and there's something about that that painful evolution that all the plants and animals had to undergo that just speaks to me and just even the harsh i mean it's like nine o'clock in the morning you're like it's so high like i'm gonna die and it's also it doesn't care about you no this ecosystem has existed long

before you were ever here and it's it's it's all working together the bugs are working with the lizards with the snakes and the plants and the the little water that there is and the coyotes and all this shit is working together yeah and it's man maintaining this this system but i love that i mean that's the thing that i i feel like people are losing when they're looking down into these demonic boxes all day long is that connection to having your feet kind of being made of mud, but also made of stars,

that famous quote I'm butchering. But we are made of stardust. We are a part, I'll look out at the stars and be like, what the fuck, I'm part of this. I'm not even high and i can experience that trip of yeah we aren't separate from i'm not looking at the stars it's like i'm part of that crazy and we're all just it's such a miracle that we're here in this

time and space yeah and it's such a wild trip and we're way and we have more than we've ever had in the in the history of humans and we're wasting it tearing each other apart it actually hurts my soul when there's a lot of wasted energy for sure that's why when i see people you know when people like how okay little miss captain of the fence riding team you know well you should ride fences i'm gonna get a t-shirt that says captain of the fence riding team and you are truly the captain listen i'm i don't i'm not married to any of my thoughts yeah i don't think i think it's good to question everything including yourself yeah and there's some thoughts like hey don't murder people yeah don't steal don't rape don't you know don't

like puppies yeah there's a lot of things like real clear people don't murder people. Yeah. Don't steal. Don't rape. Don't, you know. Don't like pillage. Don't torture puppies. Yeah. There's a lot of things that are like real clear. Be nice to old people. Yeah. Don't drown old people. Like, yeah, there's a lot of like real clear ones.

But when it comes to whether it's government or behavior or ideology or any of the things that we hold so rigid, I think it's really dangerous. It's really dangerous to look at things the way we look at things, to have these non-pliable opinions. Yeah, yeah. And also connect all of our own feelings of importance to these opinions being valid. Yeah. Connect who you are as a person, like your your value as a person to whether or not

the opinions that you hold are true yeah so you will fight to the death for those opinions well that was so common it's so common that was like all the trump supporters who were in my comments it was like i attacked them personally like i had gone to their house and personally attacked them and their mom yeah and told them that they were shit and like you guys you can't personally identify with politicians are the biggest pieces of shit ever they are trump's not a politician that's why we like these out here drain the swamp i love it when they're like we're not listening to hollywood i'm like your your hero is hollywood you know what are you talking about well that's hilarious's hilarious when people call you Hollywood.

What does that mean? No. Does it mean show business? No. I feel like we deserve better. Yeah, we definitely do. And this election makes me feel like we deserve. But we don't.

You know what? We deserve this because this is where we've left it. We've left it to this. Nobody wants to be fucking president. There's a few people that you could get behind like tulsi gabbard there you go i just i think that's who she is i mean i don't think there's any bullshit there but there's very few of those the people that are willing to run for president this is the kind of people that are willing to do this because most of the people most of the people that think about they go oh my fucking skeletons i have a friend of mine that's funny but that's what it is i mean i was just thinking it would be a shit job and i would

hate it and i would hate myself because i think by the time you get there in order to even maneuver you have to sell yourself out so many times that you don't even know what you think about how many people are just waiting to attack anybody who's running for president. Yeah. And about the way they ramp up their attacks and the machine behind it. It's not as simple as like, I'm Joe Biden and I think Donald Trump's a fucking loser. Yeah. And so I'm going to say that. No, there's like a whole machine with literally billions of dollars on the line. Because if our team gets in there there then we can push our agenda

right we can get certain bills passed we can get certain legislation through we can make sure that certain regulations back the court yes and it can literally one way or the other impact corporations in this spectacular way yeah so they have to really really put a lot of effort into it so the idea that that we allow that that's that's where things get crazy like it should be it's almost like if you want to run for president you almost should have no help like no one no one would be like grassroots like they take you and they take away your phone and they they keep you in a hotel room and they just bring you place to place and no one gets to talk to you. Isn't that AOC though?

She's pretty grassroots. She has like a whole organization behind her. They have the tribe. The Justice League or whatever. The squad. Squad. I call them the tribe. But they also have like the, what is it?

Is it the Democratic Justice League or something? Some super friends. It's a pretty socialist, I think, organization. Well, she's got a lot of people that also agree with her that are also in politics and they also work together and, you know, and then she's compromised some of her own Democratic Socialists of America. Oh, yeah, yeah. I can't wait until she's a Republican in like 10 years.

You think? Well, you were telling me that you had read some of your shit oh my god i'm gonna find it for you i just it it is it is like it was a part of the book when i was waiting tables telling everyone to remember my name and drunk all the time i was um i was super uh there was a whole part where i was talking about bush i didn't know anything about politics at all but i was i was just so i was a libtard like the definition by definition of what what they the right would consider a libtard that was well you weren't hardened yet by the world i mean i was pretty hardened and i had had enough shit up and prior to 23 that yeah but you were still hopeful that these sort of airy fairy idealistic notions

of what you know what should be done with our culture and that this would work and with no understanding of economics no understanding of i think it's good to be that hopeful i don't think you should go burn down government buildings and be like, yeah, let's tear it all down. But I think it's good to have that idealistic hope. What is that famous quote? Like if you're not a Democrat in your 20s, you don't have a heart. And if you're not a Republican in your 30s, you don't have a brain or something like that. Or you're not a conservative.

Yeah, it's an old saying. If you're not a liberal as a youth you have no heart if you're not a conservative as you're older you have no brain i'm and i'm not really either because you know i'm not socially conservative at all me neither i mean that's where they it's funny when people were like oh she's just a grifter she's gotten red pills and she's gonna be on the right now and then the right will start talking about porn or something i'm like oh thank god i'm not one of them or sex or whatever weird shit weird shit yeah or you know whether or not i mean you know these ideas that you have to be one or the other is where it's so stupid yeah you can hold both things that is what we should be. We should be holding both things and evaluating them.

Yeah. Well, especially, it's really difficult for me when people want to restrict other people's ability to express themselves or do things. Whether it's, you know, gay rights or trans rights or civil rights or women's rights or anytime you want to stop people from doing something that literally has nothing to do with you yeah you know like the gay rights one was the gay marriage one was always weird to me like when i was seven years old i was seven years old we moved to florida and i had this can't this uh cuban friend his name was candy candido that his last name was candido and they called him candy i love that and uh uh his name was Candy, Candido. His last name was Candido, and they called him Candy. I love that.

And his dad was so mad. He had a newspaper, and he's slamming it down on the fucking table. And we're like, what's the matter? He's like, they're going to let these fags marry each other. Oh, my gosh. I was, how old was I? 11? Yeah, I was 11.

Because I'd moved from San Francisco, so I was 11. And I remember thinking, what a fucking fucking idiot this guy's a grown man see i lived in san francisco from 7 to 11 so i was like i was right down the street from lombard street yeah yeah so we were around like my next door neighbors they would get naked there were these gay guys they would get naked with my aunt and they would smoke pot and play the bongos that was my life when i was seven years old so i was so used to gay people it was so normal for me that being around this guy when i was 11 i was like this is so weird yeah it's so weird because i moved i moved from florida from uh san francisco to florida oh wow gainesville florida which was so dumb yeah in an apartment complex so it was like people weren't doing so good and they were so dumb yeah in an apartment complex so it was like people weren't doing so good and they were

so dumb yeah it was too hot it was too hot to be smart there's something i think about florida it's like god damn it's so hot down there you can't be smart it's hard it's hard you know that's gone but i was just saying that like so i don't understand why people who are conservative, why if you're fiscally conservative, that makes sense. If you're financially conservative, if you believe in the Second Amendment, you have all these ideas about rights. Like we have rights. But why do you give a fuck if people get married?

Like what? You know Caitlyn Jenner, when she transitioned, was against gay marriage? Oh, weird. She's like, I've always been more of a traditional girl what she has on the island oh yeah on the ellen show ellen ellen confronted her about it wow and it was like what what what happened to all what that what i don't understand what well she's republican right is she still i don't know but probably not i don't know but if you're i think so maybe but when you're republican that's one of those things you're supposed to just subscribe it seems like they've they've

accepted that that's not a battle they're winning. Well, it's evolution of the culture. Yeah. At a certain point in time, don't you know any gay people that are cool? Yeah. Do you really give a fuck if they get married? Yeah. Look, marriage is dumb.

Anybody dumb enough to get married should be allowed to give away half their shit. We were in Arizona, and this guy was talking about his daughter, and she is gay and divorced. And I was like, oh, I'm glad the gays know what divorce is all about now. They're probably going to regret fighting for that marriage thing. They're paying for half an alimony. They're like, ah, shit.

Melissa Etheridge was on the podcast years ago. And she's been married and divorced a couple times. And she was telling me all these women she's got to pay alimony to. I go, what's that all about? She goes, bitches are crazy and i was like oh you can say that only a gay woman has been divorced it's paying all these women alimony and especially like it's not like she fucked them so hard they can never work again yeah like no you used to be in a relationship with a successful person you're not anymore time to get a job no they can't they can't she licked their

pussy so good they're just confused they can't even fill out forms they can't work anymore whose stand-up is that i'm accustomed to this i'm accustomed i think it was i think it's chris rock yeah he's like you get accustomed to things i'm accustomed to getting my dick sucked I need pussy payments That's what it was I think about that a lot I think marriage is great If you love someone so much You're willing to do something stupid

That's my situation I just think It makes sense when you have family it makes sense when you have family it makes sense you have children because the way i felt like i felt like having a child is way more of a commitment than anything financial you're really you're making a human being bring them in the world and you're responsible for them for at least 18 years at least now it's like 25 dude i know people that are 40 that live with their parents right now. That's, yeah. Especially during COVID. It's tough, yeah.

Yeah, we've all become like European families. Yeah, yeah. Intergenerational. Well, you got to survive. Yeah. The reality is like it's not a bad idea to pool all your resources together and try to survive. And help each other.

Right. Because we really are at a crossroads. Yeah. Like when you realize, it makes us realize how good we had it for so many years when you know people the economy was booming and people could be independent and out there supporting themselves but then when all that shit is literally cut in half like you got to make do you got to figure it out yeah yeah and i think it's better for people to be around other people yes because all my friends who have been isolated you know people there it's

way more open here oh yeah but my friends in la are losing their minds who have been alone because it's been going on like six months now it is way more open here isn't it yeah way more open that's why i love it yeah it feels normal yeah it does it just feel you wear a mask go to a restaurant yeah i go to a restaurant it's crazy isn't amazing it. It's crazy. Isn't it amazing? It's nice. It's nice. It's been nice to just feel kind of what normal was. Retail stores are open. You go to a retail store, put a mask on. And LA definitely.

I mean, when I was walking my dog in LA, every single day, I have to avoid a crazy. There was a guy with a machete. And then I walked out. And then I was two days. Every walk I go on, there's basically like a crazy there was a guy with a machete there was and then i walked out and then i was two days every walk i go on there's basically like a crazy homeless for a young woman who's out alone and they're having some kind of breakdown and um it gets worse and worse every day it's like it is deteriorating faster than i could have even imagined and it makes me mad because the government doesn't give a fuck about me they don't care about my safety i'm supposed to have endless compassion for the homeless and they don't

care that there's a guy with a machete having a having a moment they don't care they can't do anything about it they can though their their only job is to keep somewhat keep me safe as a citizen that is what they if that why am i paying taxes if they can't do that this is why i'm like fuck you california you're paying taxes to keep these uh politicians fed okay but they need to make sure that i'm not getting attacked uh well i walk my dog but that's the problem with some some places big as la there's like a diffusion of responsibility thing that you get to when you get to numbers that are so high, when you get to like 20 million people.

You know, there's like an expression about how, not an expression, but there's an example about how when people see someone getting attacked, like if there's only one person there and someone's getting attacked, you feel responsible to help. But if you're in a crowd and someone's attacking someone. crowd and everyone assumes everyone else yeah everyone assumes someone else is going to jump in and nobody does anything yeah but it's not and nobody feels responsible it's been

notably worse you know there there has to be something people are paying tons of money i was in venice i was in brentwood they these people are paying millions of dollars in taxes and they have encampments across the street from their house. There are kids playing. It's not safe. No. Something has to. It's interesting, too.

Jamie and I were talking about this because they, before, just the way. I don't even know if they know how many actual homeless people are there. Because I volunteered once to be part of the homeless count. And that's how they count the homeless, is volunteers who go through L.A. for like one weekend and count as many homeless people as they can. And do you write down what streets you're on? Yeah, and you like go in little groups. How many did you find? I didn't, I never, I was out of town that weekend.

little groups and um how much you find i didn't i never i was out of town that weekend my aunt was like please don't do that but i i legitimately was out of town that weekend so i ended up not being able to do it but i was like oh cool this is how they count the homeless but that doesn't seem like a very good measure of how many their homeless people there are i bet it's probably like twice as many as it actually reports how are you getting yeah that's a lot of people 70 000 they say now they think new york city has 80 000 wow they're idiots they should be in la it's a way better place better place to be homeless yeah la is like tolerable well because now you get under the underpass yeah but during covid they've loosened all those restrictions so it used to be like you couldn't block the sidewalk yeah and you couldn't with your we saw somebody grilling a

freaking like it was a huge fire on a grill on the side of the road it was like a hibachi or some shit like when just having a grill in the middle and there's women with their strollers trying to walk it's it's madness i don't know bad and i have that's the one i feel like it's the one problem if i could solve i would focus on solving it because it's on homelessness because it's such a crossroads of economics mental illness addiction it's so many things that are abuse i was watching a video about this kid he was 28 he's been homeless literally on the street since he was nine years old his uh he was in a car uh with his mom they were living in a car till they were 11 and then

from 11 on he was uh on the street uh yeah it's it was terrible and he was talking about i mean he he had uh no teeth like his front teeth were gone. He had his face reconstructed, his arms smashed. Somebody beat him up with a bat. He had been sexually abused. He didn't have any socks. He didn't have any shoes. He didn't have anything. He talked about the small amount of clothes he had.

And it was kind of weird because he was really, for a person who has been homeless and on the street in this horrible life since he was nine kind of seemed pretty together like the way he was talking communicating at least in this video and um you know you realize this is the thing about people when when if you're mad at someone say if you're mad at someone for their behavior like say if you're if you're a gay person you're mad that caitlyn jenner doesn't believe in gay marriage even though she wanted to transition and wants you to call her a woman now instead of being mad and i guess you could be mad at the idea but i think what we really need to start doing is look like what what happened how'd you get like what all what are all the things that took place in your life that you turned into this right now?

Like, what are those things? You know, this is the concept of determinism, right? This is the concept that there is no real free will. Right. Everyone is sort of an accumulation of all the experiences they've had, their genetics, their life, all the different factors that are out of their control, along with the decisions that they've made because of these factors and all your emotions and genes and drug addiction and all these different things. And it brings you to this point. And I think this is the thing with homeless people that we need to take into consideration as well. Because when you see someone who's homeless and you're like, oh, this fucking loser.

Oh, they're a drug addict. Oh, get them away from my house. oh they're a drug addict oh get them away from my house the amount of undoing you have to have to take a 40 year old person who's grilling in front of a house in venice with uh heroin tracks all over their arm and make them a a reasonable contributor to society a healthy person who can you know kind of do anything and i know i know there's so much i have i do have endless compassion but on the other hand there's a lot of entitlement there's a lot of entitlement in the in the homeless community there is but they don't have anything like if you don't have anything and you look at people who have things like this is one of the

things you're seeing with uh a lot of these riots a lot of the looting and all the craziness it's like haves and have nots yeah yeah and they have nots like these motherfuckers how why do they have this especially during covid because everybody has nothing right these homeless people don't have anything they feel entitled because they don't have anything and you do and there's a weird thing that people people have this thought that if you have something and they don't have it, it's because there's an injustice. And you have contributed to this injustice or you've caused this injustice. That's where the entitlement comes. And it's a real problem in the way Americans in particular think about economics. Yeah, it's resentment politics.

Yes. It's all resentment. And you can get a lot of people to agree with you. Oh, yeah. Because most people also don't have good things. Like, I was reading this tweet from this girl who was talking about, you know, like, we need to start going into the suburbs and going into these people's houses. Yeah.

And then she wrote, eat the rich. Yeah, that's a big thing right now. And I was like, what are you talking about? So, you're 24, okay? What do you think think is gonna happen when you're 44 and you're one of those people yeah exactly you're gonna be happy with that you're gonna be happy when you're tired because you've been working all day trying to achieve a dream and you're exhausted and you see these people outside your house how the fuck do you have this house how are you in that house all comfortable as fuck yeah but we're out here you know yeah i'm sure you've seen some of those people though it's video there was one video from i think kenosha and this guy

i'm not sure if that's when it was from but i it just stuck with me he was like yelling at the they had smashed his windows and he was like i have fucking mouths to feed he's like do you want everybody to vote for trump i have fucking mouths to feed what are you doing and like they'd smashed his where you know people don't know what they're doing they don't know what they're doing and so many so many of the kids on the streets are truly kids like 17 yes children i'm like where are your parents we have a fucking parenting problem the kid in the kenosha that wound up killing those are they on instagram the parents are they're like yeah honey go. This motherfucker, he's not liking my shit. Resentment, resentment, resentment. Yeah.

We have a lot of problems, and there's a lot of us. And we could all do with some house cleaning. And compassion. Yeah. I think compassion for each other. Compassion. Clean up your own backyard. Get your life together.

Do your best. Nobody wants to do that shit. They want to blame everyone. Exactly. Nobody wants to clean the shit in their front yard. Exactly. And not do drugs that they're spending all their money on. They want to go out and be like, the libs are ruining my life.

Or burn down a fucking building. It's weird how there's certain environments that just tolerate like homelessness and craziness and then those folks find those environments like venice yeah like venice is just a venice is it's a breeding ground for it it's crazy there's just so much it's such a that it is really just so complex i don't even know how you be but i don't i do wonder why some obviously some cities are doing things that where it isn't festering and exploding and some cities are so why don't what are what are the cities that have it somewhat under control republican that's the problem busting them to la yeah they're law and order people like like giuliani was when you know he was the law and order guy but where did they all go it's a good question i don't know

i don't know what they do with them i don't know how they help them i don't know what they do there was a upper west side thing recently where they had a hotel and they had like 300 homeless guys living in this hotel but then they started like jerking off in front of people and you know taking shits on people's cars and stuff de blasio how to move them out and now people are pissed off at him for taking these people out and what you know was really it was mostly men mostly homeless men and what's really crazy was this article that was written about it was so distorted it was like homeless families are being relocated when their kids are just now going to school like first of all yes literally this is pulling at the heartstrings there's been a bunch of things they're doing lately to pull at the heart this but this was one of the most preposterous

articles that i read one of them was they're calling they're now calling homeless people the unhoused no it's persons experiencing houselessness We're going to get cancelled for calling them homeless No the unhoused No it's persons experiencing Last week Oh it's upgraded Unhoused The unhoused

This was an article about people that were putting rocks under underpasses That when homeless people had moved out of certain areas They were going under these underpasses and putting these enormous rocks Oh so they couldn't move back in so that people couldn't put tents in and they were saying do you understand what you're doing to the unhoused these are the only places they can go to escape the elements the reason why they go into that underpass it's literally the difference between life and death there there is that there that's also somewhat of a myth because there is this there are beds sometimes that go empty because people don't want to give up their drugs and weapons.

Yeah. So the idea that like, oh, they don't have anywhere else to go isn't always true. Well, they're drug addicts, Bridget. You need to take a little bit more compassion when you're making these statements because these people that are drug addicts, they don't know what to do. It is. And they need their drugs. You should let them just do their drugs. Does it feel like we're on the back side of uh the empire yeah yeah it feels like rome right before it

collapses yeah yeah i mean um one of the things that douglas murray said uh when i interviewed him i guess i don't interview anybody right i talk to people i should remember that but when i was talking he was saying that at the end of every empire, there's all these gender issues where hermaphrodites. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He went into depth about it. It's like Rome and Greece.

They always had this thing where they want to break down all the... There is no gender. There's no sex. There's no biology. It's deconstruction. Deconstruct everything. Wow. And they also deconstruct all the norms, all the norms of culture.

And one of the more disconcerting ones is deconstructing pedophilia. That has been a constant one lately where you're seeing. There's a weird pedo vibe everywhere. Well, you know that thing. Cuties? Oh, cuties is crazy. Okay, yeah. I was talking about the Gavin Newsom newsom thing where oh yeah did that pass

yes it passed he passed he signed it and they said it was a great victory for lgbtq people what because before it was defined this is how this is this is the the idea i might be butchering it but i'm gonna do my best before if you had vaginal sex with a girl and impregnated her and say like maybe you were 20 and she was 14, they didn't put you on a sex register list because they wanted you to be responsible for taking care of the baby that you created. So this was the idea. But if you had anal or oral sex with her, then they would put you on the sex offender list. Weird. Yeah. Ah, weird. Yeah, well, it's because you're just being a pervert, right? You're just mouth-fucking some 14-year-old

as opposed to making a baby that you would then be responsible for. That's a weird line. So, okay, but this is why they wanted to pass this law, and this is why it would, for LBGTQ folks, whatever, gay people, people whatever is they wanted they said well the vagina is not available to gay folks okay because these guys don't have a vagina so if you're saying fair that a 20 year old can have sex with a 14 year old girl and not be put

on a sex registered registry how come a 20 year old man can have sex with a 14 year old boy and he is all of a sudden a sex crime he's committed a sex crime and they're like this is not fair so the idea is that it's in the judgment the judge gets to decide okay so i guess you're giving the judge the ability to decide one way or another. So you give them the ability to discern whether or not this was someone who's in an actual relationship with a person who can commit, which is very weird. Right. A certain person who can consent. But the problem with people, they gave a 10-year gap. So, you know, like a...

Like 14 and 24. You could say 14 and 24, or you could say 10 and 20. Like, I don't know what it means or where it's defined. Yeah, that's weird. It's crazy, but they're only doing it because it already existed in that form for straight people. Right, okay. So it's not like there's... See, like, we're looking at it like saying, oh, now you're making it legal for 24 year olds to fuck 14 year olds right that's not it's already kind of like that

with straight people if they have vaginal sex right wow that's wild it's wild i didn't even know that that was not you know i i don't know that's i i thought it was like statutory i think even but i think if you impregnate, I think this is the idea. If the person's impregnated, the judge has the ability to not put them on the sex offender list so that that person can get a job. Right. So you can support your child. Right, right. Especially in impoverished areas, right?

Right. That's, yeah, the whole, it seems like it's everywhere. The cuties thing. That's more complicated than cuties. Cuties is, here's something crazy. There was a story in Atlanta where these guys had rescued 39 kids from sex slavery. I didn't hear a fucking word of that. No, nobody heard about this.

I saw a hundred articles about Ellen being mean. Yeah, yeah. A hundred. Yeah. And I didn't see more than one. It's a big. One day in and out of the news about these 39 kids that were rescued.

Yeah, that's another one that is really, I was in a rest stop. It was like a truck stop on the way here and they had the signs, you know, it's like, are you being human trafficked? And they're in rest stops across America and it's like are you working against your will are you being forced to do that i was like shouldn't this be in like three other

languages there was a story not just english about a flight attendant and there was a man on a flight with a young girl and uh the the young girl wrote a letter and left it in the bathroom and the flight attendant got the letter and recognized that something was going she was Oh, wow. sex trafficking is crazy terrifying yeah and create and crazy and hideous and odious and all of the worst things in the world and but then you have cuties which is like what are you doing what are they doing i know i've seen the argument we explain to people who don't know what the fuck cuties so cuties is that it's a movie on netflix it's a foreign film i believe the director is french is she french oh yes i was looking at the atlanta thing oh that's all right um i just don't know that i'm correct about that and it's it's supposed to be a movie about the ex sexual hyper sexualization and exploitation of young young

girls critics of cutie say the next film hyper sexualizes a pre-teen dance troupe but director said monday that she is fighting the same fight in quotes they are to stop the exploitation of young girls so the way she stops it is by sexualizing them well i i guess that, you know. Try saying her name. Say that name. My, my Mona Ducouré. Quick question. Yes. Do you remember the movie Kids? Yeah.

I do. Yeah. That was a pretty fucked up movie. Yeah, that movie was fucked up. It was a fucked up movie. That was about kids being wild and it was an actual movie about real kids. Yeah, but he's fucked up.

That director is fucked up. Yeah, that director is really fucked up. There's another movie called 13, about two 13-year-old girls a couple years ago. And they're taking ecstasy and all sorts of wild shit. But the thing about kids is kids was a documentary. No, it wasn't. No.

Those are all actors. Those are all actors. Wait, am I thinking of the same movie? Yeah. Like, Lois Venier is in it. Yeah. But wasn't there one that was a documentary? It was filmed a little bit like a documentary,

but it wasn't. Oh. Oh oh that's right that movie starts with sex right out of the opening scene what year is that it got a lot i saw when i was i got rented it from the library the library when i was in like seventh grade sixth grade yeah so i was young too okay i i fucked up i thought that was a documentary that guy seemed like it yeah but it got a lot of shit when it came out, didn't it? I feel like it was... I think it was...

I think I never saw it, and I think it was out pre-internet. I think... Oh, definitely pre-internet. Probably 94, 95. 94. Yeah, it was fucked up. It was a fucked up...

Who's the... The director has done a lot of other... Larry Clark. Sketchy shit, right? Mm-hmm. What other movies has he done? Gummo was the other big one oh that was a weird one 95 yeah i made 20 million bucks hollow um yeah that but i wonder what the i i remember i

feel like that was pretty controversial do you remember the movie was it called happy is that it there was a really fucking weird movie about this kid who finds out that their dad is a pedophile oh god that would be horrible the guy is it's i think it's happiness happiness and the the the guy is kind of normalized in the movie and it's like the kid is trying to my friends and i got into this on twitter about the cuties thing and and you know i i don't know that those girls are old enough to decide to do that film you know so it's that and some of the warnings on it and stuff like i don't even want to watch it it just seems it seems um i probably should and just but i don't really want to for other, just whatever.

It just seems, but I don't think it's necessarily like Netflix's problem. It seems more like a societal problem that we have. Wait a minute. It's Netflix's problem to have it on their network. They have it on their network, but it's their network but it's it's the it's like this writer jane coaston said it's like the the thing adjacent she was like has anyone been to a dance recital because i was talking about like uh have you ever been to dance recitals like we had to do some fucked up shit when we were young kids like dress up and do the in the black and do the my the addicted to love and like leotards and red lipstick and i was little doing these dances and

john bonnet that's a that's a whole fucking weird world joey diaz and i were uh in dallas once and we were staying at this hotel we were doing the addison improv we were staying at this hotel where they had one of those things going on in the hotel so there was a child beauty pageant in the hotel weird it was fucking bizarre it's one thing to see it on tv but to see five-year-olds in pumps with full makeup and blown out hair remember this from bad grandpa with the giant knoxville movie a couple years ago they like he had picked up his grandson and i mean it was fake but they were also pranking people so like it's not really fake right i dressed up like a little girl and they went and did this whole

thing at the and she starts doing that crazy dance and freaking everybody out oh yeah this is a little boy if i remember i mean that's right this stuff is in our culture already that's and i think that's more uh cuties aside and whatever but that that kind of shit with little kids and those baby beauty beauty pageants like that whoever greenlit that who's like yeah it looks good short skirt stick your ass out nice high heels yeah it's weird who said yes to that so that's that's my i guess my point is not necessarily my feelings about cutie are just from what i've seen i'm like no but i also think that this is in our culture and we need to examine that that that this like the beauty pageants and the right you know and it's funny because i'll be

like oh q anon is crazy not everything is about pedophilia and then you see a cuties you know preview and you're like oh maybe there are tunnels under. What is it? My friend said, she's like, my brother said there are tunnels. There are tunnels under the Getty or some shit for human trafficking. I don't think that's true. But there was a fuck island. Yeah. That was real.

And the fact that prominent politicians, well, they went 26 times. Not a lot of times. Wow, you do a really great impression there's another fuck island north fox island oh i was never there michigan in the 70s oh really well there was a darker way darker story oh god i don't know he darker oh yeah how can it get darker than epstein i i had to like it was all videotaped and that's what i mean that's what i was have you seen the documentary? Well, when Epstein killed himself, case closed, as far as I'm concerned.

Wow, you really do a great Phil Clinton impression. I was watching the documentary. He's a good guy. He had a nice plane. You know the fucked up realization I had watching that documentary is that I would have been one of Epstein's girls. Oh, right. I was a fucked up 17-year-old doing drugs. What does it say, Jamie?

Jeffrey Epstein was accused of sex trafficking young girls on his mysterious private island over 40 years ago. A different millionaire escaped justice in a stunningly similar case. I had a conversation with Eric Weinstein about this, and he had a very, I think, accurate perception of it. He said, I believe there are people who help curate experiences for high-profile people who can't get these on their own because it's too dangerous. And then someone comes along and normalizes it and lets you know, it's okay, I got you, and everything's fine, and this is how we do it. And that this person, in Epstein's case, turns out to be intelligence.

And that was the accusation that, who was the prosecutor that had to release him? He was told. Acosta. What's his name? Acosta. Acosta. It was told it was above his pay grade, and that this man was intelligence. And so he had to let him go because he was a part of the intelligence community.

So someone told him to let this guy go. What? Yeah. And so when he got arrested the first time, he got like a ridiculous sentence where he had to go back to his house. Right. He only had to be in jail during the day. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Or he had to be in jail at night and then had to be at his house during the day because he was working. I remember this too. He stumbled like this came out two years ago. That's right. That's right. Sacha Baronhen says he turned over disturbing who is america footage to the fbi cohen says his show nearly helped the fbi expose a

pedophile ring in las vegas doing what you're talking about yeah providing experience someone was saying look we can we can help you we can get you these things oh god and this is what's terrifying what's terrifying is that if if if there can be an island that is literally curated and run by an intelligence agent who's bringing in prominent celebrities and politicians and even scientists from all over the world to this place where they're having sex with underage girls and we all know about it. And then the guy gets killed and then, oh, he just hung himself. Oh, he hung himself? Yeah. and then oh he just uh hung himself oh he hung himself yeah and then you get a michael badden who's a famous autopsy doctor says no these these injuries are inconsistent with hanging and they're very consistent with someone being strangled in the position that he's these choked

down it's not where someone has ligature marks if they're yeah all the things that point to the fact that he was murdered and months months later, like... Anyway. Whatever. Hey. 24-hour news cycle. Donald Trump's a bad person. We need to get rid of him. Keeps moving. And meanwhile, Ghislaine, she doesn't even go to trial until October?

Yeah. Yeah, that... Is she even arrested? Where is she at? Yeah, where is she? Where is that lady? Is this a story that went away? No, it's so weird how it just all gets like...

She was in a house in New Hampshire waiting. Magically disappears. By herself, chopping wood. Just waiting. Like, what are you doing? Like, they arrested her in a house in New Hampshire. She bought a house, like, in the woods. She thought she could just be out there.

Didn't even change her hairstyle. Oh, wow. How about when she was on... They took pictures of her at in and out reading a book about uh cia agents who have been killed oh my god remember that you ever seen that she had a photo shoot oh my god in and out in la yeah there was a photo shoot where she was still on the loose after jeffrey epstein was killed where she was like sending messages to people so here she is like clearly posing and the

book powerful in and out commercial by the way made people hungry yeah it was posed so you could see the book and the book was about CIA agents who've been killed where is there you can see like the book spine

on one of those pictures yeah one of the pictures there's many pictures. I didn't know if there was actually more than I thought there was. Yeah. Yeah, they did a lot of sleuthing to figure out. There's terrible Photoshopping done on the photo. Wow. Is there?

Yeah, that's like that. So this photo was taken at a time that there's this Good Boys movie. It was a Seth Rogen movie. Right. It came out and they were like, if she was there, that would have been like this week. And they looked in that company and said they never actually had that poster there. But that looks like it was actually there. So there's a lot of confusion around why this even happened.

So where is that in the lower right-hand corner? Is that showing what the book is where the arrows are pointing? That's where she sat. Someone went to that in and out. Oh, that's where she sat. Where's the book? I'm trying to find it. It's so messed up.

It's so crazy. I mean, I had to stop watching the documentary because it's so, it's as dark as it gets. How about when Trump, when they asked Trump about it, he's like, I wish her well. I wish her good luck. Is it very unfortunate? What are you talking about? Are you saying you wish the lady who's accused of sex trafficking underage girls you wish her luck you wish her well all these guys are it all of them that like level of being is so gross i feel like everyone in that fucking circle is disgusting well and i think back

then you could be disgusting and there wasn't any consequences for it you know and you when you think of what it must have been like to be a politician like in the kennedy days right just open lane no cars on the road nobody does anything nobody tells you to stop no you could do whatever you wanted getting your dick sucked in the in the pool yeah you could do that while people were watching yeah no one cared yeah now it's crazy like the press would not talk about his affairs that they all knew yeah it was like a how amazing yeah what a strange shifting of attitudes and how did that ever exist in the first place if you're the press and literally your your whole job is to tell stories and you've got this crazy story that you keep it under wraps i see it all the time though i see it all the time but the kennedy

thing wasn't even a good cover remember when marilyn rose sang at his birthday party yeah but every time someone gets me too'd everyone's like we knew about and and whatever and i don't know if it's just industries protect their own or if they're like everyone in the industry is like i kind of knew that was coming you know you'll hear like these stories of of uh i just feel like it it might be like politicians they protect other. I feel like in every industry, whenever somebody gets outed, there's some sense of like, ah, maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Well, when the Kennedy thing was happening, what's really fascinating is if you apply that same logic and thought to his assassination, no wonder why there's so many conspiracy theories. Yeah. Because if the intelligence community really decided to whack him, and you don't think they could have got away with it, he's fucking people left and right.

Documented. And he got away with that. Documented. Yeah, documented. That's the problem I have with it. Not just him. A lot of people back then. MLK.

There was a whole thing written about him the other day. Yeah. But this idea that they could have never gotten away with his murder because people would have talked like no people didn't talk about anything no of course they could have got away with his murder and especially if you think they're going to kill you and then if you go and look at how many people who are witnesses who did wind up dying in really suspicious ways it's fucking bonkers yeah people that were there for the kennedy assassination that wound up dying it's nuts yeah it's nuts how many of them like

committed suicide parked their car in front of a train like all that kind of shit yeah yeah yeah i i think that there's the whole world was dark back then it was dark i think it's always been dark yeah but i mean i think like this whole sex trafficking thing this seedy underbelly of the world thing i think back then it was way worse and i think there's no way of exposing it well yeah they all just got whacked i think yeah and i think it was like a normal it was probably like when you think of things like skull and bones and all these weird little clubs and these secret societies remember when kennedy did you ever hear that kennedy speech about secret societies no never heard it oh my god he talked about how secret societies are

repugnant this is before he was murdered you know kennedy was like vehemently against like the cia and the nsa and all this and he he made this public speech about secret societies. What does it say? The president and the press addressed for the American newspaper. You can play that. Weird accent. See if you can play it because it's really powerful to hear his voice and to know that this guy.

And then he got killed. Yes. Well, listen, there's a lot of reasons to think that he was probably killed by the intelligence community. Oh, that's us. We talked about it. It's already up. You can go watch episode 1400 with Tony Hinchcliffe. Yeah.

The golden pony. It's a bizarre. Here, listen to this, though. It's very bizarre. It's a very bizarre statement because- Why? Would you make it? Today... Well... Ladies and gentlemen, the very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society. And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to

secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very

limits of official censorship and concealment. Dude. He was trying to warn us. He's trying to warn us about exactly what's happening. Patriot Act. Patriot Act 2. He's trying to warn us. Edward Snowden hiding in Russia. Trying to warn us. He really was. Yeah. He really was. We didn't listen. They killed him instead. They whacked that dude.

We did listen we listened we know now to shut our fucking mouth yeah we're both gonna be dead in 24 hours get away with more shit back then just like everybody else yeah i mean it's a it's a weird time because some some of this stuff you know i have very conflicting feelings about some of the stuff that comes out i think it's good that a lot of light's being shined on it. I also hate that people don't get due process. So there's like a very strange, we live in a very strange time for this

where great, more stuff is being revealed, although we seem to forget the stuff that's actually proven like Epstein in five minutes. And then there's stuff that's not, people are being destroyed and have no no access to due process or anything and even and there's no way to defend themselves well the stunning thing about the epstein thing is that the mainstream media has let it go yeah completely you would think that and they barely even really covered it it wasn't even something that i had to

it's almost like they covered it like there was a cursory mention yeah like they had to they had to mention it otherwise they'd be complicit right yeah yeah it's a it's a weird that seems like it should be a way bigger deal and be much more covered and investigated and thank god for those amazing reporters down in florida who did all that investigative journalism the woman I can't remember her name but she she's really responsible for like staying on that beat and I just I I think this is why I feel um even in LA during the riots like the local journalism was amazing they were doing great work they were on the ground they were interviewing people in real time and part of the reason I see so I hate all the division and all of the it's like that death of local journalism which has contributed to so much of just nobody really knows anything well that's i've been real forgiving of people writing click

articles yeah and one of the reason why i tell people like journalists are fighting for their life right now yeah yeah they're very important to me it's very important to me that there's people that are willing to get the word out yeah and willing to explain what's happening and some of them are forced to write some bullshit articles with clickbaity titles because they have to stay alive because no one is buying newspapers no and it's it's not um generally it's usually a calling. I think my true journalists, they're usually called to do it. They can't let go of a story. They want to find. My biggest, again, this is another weird issue,

place where we're in is I call it journalism, and it's activism masking as journalism. And that is where I feel like the press is, this is where they're losing their credibility because they're not being honest. Right. There's no one, well, there are some, but there's very few who are unbiased, who are just telling you the facts. They're mostly working in local journalism at rags that are being canceled, bought out, bought up by bigger things. And so you have the people who are kind of activists and they're

journalists or practicing journalism and that's damaging to all journalists because now you're undermining what your job is to do which is present facts yes and present evidence and present and chase down leads and not have your own opinion about things have you know discover something as more evidence is presented to you and always be checking yourself well my hope is that through this independent sources will emerge like you're seeing that with some independent political sources like you're seeing like whether it's uh the jimmy door show or kyle kolinsky or rising on the hill all these people that are not beholden to any one party yeah they're talking about politics i'm hoping we're going to see that with everything yeah and that these

these people with these biased perceptions and you know journalism as you call it which is a great word that they they're going to because of their own faults open the door for independent people that are not connected with these things that do have a calling but that recognize that there's a real you're hindered if you're connected to some machine i think this is why people are so confused right now and lost and i hear this from these letters i'm getting to letters from the politically homeless and they're saying what happens a lot is they'll get red-pilled by the mainstream media they recognize kind of i think malice talks a lot about this and just recognizing the idea of the cathedral yeah he's great amazing brilliant and just the idea of the cathedral um

that isn't his idea and i can't remember who he always attributes it to and realizing there's a narrative and there's an agenda that's being pushed. And once they open their eyes and see that, there's not much of a stop on the way to, and now why isn't Biden fighting against Petto Wood? You know, there's like, you're just like, suddenly you're like mainlining. You've gone from taking a red pill to like snorting them and mainlining it. And now you're QAnon. Because I'll hear these people who start out very reasonable, like, oh, the left got crazy. I got a little disillusioned.

I started going down the rabbit hole, and then there's really not much. Because people don't know what to believe. All of the confusion, oh, you can protest, you can't protest. You can wear a mask, you can't wear a mask. There's no credibility. Every system, and this is generally in societies when you see this kind of breakdown of society, is when people lose faith in the people who are governing them, the experts. You have epidemiologists who are like, racism is the real virus. Like, that's not the way viruses work. You know, when you're saying these things to, as a scientist,

how are you expecting people to take you seriously when they've stopped their fucking lives for you? Well, did you see what the UN's quote was about the pandemic, that it revealed that the patriarchy is a gigantic problem? Yeah, and then you... They were blaming it on the patriarchy is a gigantic problem yeah and then they were blaming it on the patriarchy and you have all of these these institutions that are falling in line with this so people are they're stumbling in the wilderness and then they're online and then they're virtue signaling

and then they're they're in these echo chambers and then they're going to war with anybody who disagrees and then they're they're demanding compliance but it's easy for to people the thing that concerns me is if you are a person you know i have to check in with myself when i'm like if i feel like i'm saying fuck you i'm voting for trump like that is that is being radicalized you know i that is the process of radicalization happening i understand it it's it's something that a lot of people doing it but it's completely emotional if you're like this guy is some for some people it's not some people think that well yeah it's more dangerous than anything is woke politics yeah yeah that's tim pool yeah pool is like the media is lying to us that they're they're gaslighting us and i think that this whole woke bullshit is more dangerous than anything and he's gone like

full maga like wow but see that that is something that i would check in with myself about because if you were here and now you're here um i understand and i think this is why we live in one of the most interesting times in american history ever, because there's so much migration, literal migration. You sitting here is a perfect example of that. And political migration, ideological migration. My inbox is evidence of this. People from the center going left to right. People from the right coming left.

People from the left coming right. It's fascinating. I mean, it's going to be studied for hundreds of years if we have a future. You're totally right. You're totally right. It's just a fascinating time in our history. And I think that people,

we have to give each other space to realign a little bit. But what is worrisome to me is in the absence of anyone to trust. So journalism, many journalists have abdicated their role um many politicians are well they're all just shit basically um sending a populist message to the people like i don't understand the worship at all that in the absence of all of this where do people turn you know they're turning to people like you for instance because you're willing to have conversations with many different kinds of people across across the spectrum so they can maybe you know in order to read the news now i'll

see a click i'll see a headline if it confirms my bias i'm like i better double check that you know i yeah i immediately i'm like okay double check that that's because you're smart but this is how everyone should consume the news but i understand why they don't because it's like okay and then i read a quote well that was now i have to go listen to the whole okay that was completely taken out of context now they're citing a study now i have to go read the fucking study i have i end up with all this go to all the source material yeah you have to just go to the fucking study. I end up with all this, go to all the source material. You have to just go to the source material always.

But that takes, it'll take me an hour to read one article and figure out what's actually true in that article. No one has that time. It's easier to be like, I hate this. Exactly. Mad. Yeah. That's what most people do.

They find something that confirms their bias and then they read only those things that exist in their little echo chamber. But you should be seeking things that push against your bias. I was having a conversation with a person, a friend of mine, a friend of mine who happens to be a person. Houselessness. No, the unhoused. The unhoused.

Sounds like a horror movie. She was asking me about UFOsos and i said my main problem with ufos that i want to believe yeah my main problem my main problem with all this evidence like it seems real it seems real it seems but the problem is i want to believe right and whenever i want something to be real i go oh probably double check that yeah you have to mind fuck yourself yeah yeah that's the right way to, that's how you can avoid making an ass out of yourself online and sharing something that's not real.

Like pretty much video, I will not share it. I see so much video getting shared by people who are independent journalists that is cut weird, it's edited weird, it's not true, you end up, and they're, you know, everybody on the internet, I always make fun of this on Dumpster Fire.

I'm like, everyone's, I hate this new season of Law & Order where there's a murder every day in real time, and then the internet is like a sleuth figuring it out. They're like breaking it down frame by frame. See, this is, like, thanks, guys. Like, the police on the ground, and detectives probably have this handled.

Thank you for your... Well, sometimes, though, they do find people. Like people like that guy before he did the interview with vice and exposed that he's the one who killed the magus supporter yeah they found him they found him because of a tattoo on his neck and they had identified him people just randos that were like looking at photos online sleuthing yeah actually they actually found but i believe that there's some use in that but it just seems like there's also probably more misinformation that gets spread that way than actual facts yeah and it's that old quote like the lie spreads faster than the truth you know 10 around the world before the truth gets out of bed or whatever the lie a lie will go around the world before the truth gets out of bed that's true and in this kind of environment and then everybody's

i'll you know you got russian troll farms and chinese logging in at 9 a.m oh my god it's madness i love it and i don't know where it uh where it ends there's no map of the territory at this point but it starts with us that's what i'm saying it starts with the individual it starts with people recognizing that they're biased right learning to consume news in a more intelligent way that's reasonable checking fact checking things and it starts even before that with improving yourself yeah getting control over who you are like think of what you've done overcoming hypochondria kicking drugs and alcohol all the craziness that you've you've gotten through yeah that's what's led you to be this critical thinker that you are today and this strong person the problem is we're asking people to be strong when they're not we're asking people who are

they're right now who they are is not capable of doing these things we're asking them to do why because of all the experiences they've had in their life that's no excuse no no it's it is not an excuse but it is a fact like who they are is they're they're so accustomed to behaving and thinking in a certain way that takes a radical shift to rethink this and they can they can do that they can act in that way and rethink the way they live their life, but they have to be severely motivated. To change is so hard.

Well, and then there's so much. So say you radically shift your ideology online, and I've experienced this just not in shifting my ideology, just not censoring. Then you get swept up with all the likes from you get it's reinforced with dopamine of like oh if i say this thing this thing does well yeah and that's again asking a lot for people to work against you have to actively be like okay now what am i not saying again because i'm worried i might piss off my new audience who's embraced me you know i would ask

anybody who's gone from the left to fully to the right like what are you not saying now about things that you're noticing on your new team that you've joined weird thing when people do completely as a grown adult shift their ideology i'm always like oh did you did you? Or were you always wishy-washy? Were you always full of shit? And to be rigid one way or the other is just so strange. It's so strange. Yeah, I guess I can attribute my shift to paying attention and being thrown into the culture war.

And I don't even feel like my actual values have changed so much as the culture has changed around me yeah most of what i believe about free speech you know rights the the right to have jobs and work how you want to which i push back all against all the time in california what they're doing there and well they had you know how they fight that gig society that maybe five i told you about it the last time i was here They had a fight with it about stand-up comics. They were trying to include stand-up comics in it. The Comedy Store actually was at the head of that.

Yeah, they actually fought and won and got comics reclassified. But there was an issue where certain people were not going to get booked because these arenas, these venues rather, were going to have to employ them. Yeah. And they're like, we can't afford to give you health health insurance you do a fucking stupid one-woman show here there's trying to pass a national version of this called the pro act and this is trying to do this the democrats they already passed the house that's so crazy there and it's a it essentially would categorize independent contracting and it would put give it the same label that it has in california and that's people

like you who write articles for a bunch of different publications you would have to be an employee of each or join a union that's what they want it's like you're either gonna have to join a union you're either gonna have to work for the government or join a union or go get employed but people work gigs you know most people are adults they can understand the cost benefit analysis that they're making they can say i might not have great health insurance but i have the freedom to work as an uber driver when i want to i can log in when i want to i can clock out i can take an hour break i can do whatever the fuck i want on my time and i i understood when i was waitressing that i could

have gone and got worked in a corporation i could have probably gone and got a job anywhere and had good benefits and i would have had to clock in at a certain time and clock out and probably play the game and not say things that i want to say and i understood that i would have to take a riskier path and i took responsibility for that now Now, I think that some of these companies do need to be held accountable in terms of how they treat their workers, how much they pay their workers. And it is true. I don't, I'm not here to defend Uber because they do. I mean, even just talk to any Uber drivers, they've, you know, lowered their rates and it's harder for them to make money and it's all, so they're're not exactly perfect but you can't take agency

away from people who are choosing to work as a gig person and and not maybe join a union or go work at a job and this is why i can't you know this is something that people should be calling biden out on because he's come out many times in support of this do you know how gross it would be if comedians had a union disgusting could you imagine no fuck wits would be in control of that union and how how many shitty comics yeah would go to the head of that union yeah because they don't have any power or agency in their comedy career yeah it would be like a huge hr department the worst comics with the shittiest ideas of what constitutes comedy. Yeah. And they would probably start censoring people.

Yeah. All of it is we should be able to work where we want and how we want. Especially someone like you who writes articles for a bunch of different, like all of a sudden you would have to be in a union and pay dues? Well, people, so one of the women that i'm friends with had to leave la because and many single this and it always hurts the people they say they're trying to help she was a single mom and she had um you can't work you couldn't write more than like 30 articles a month most people who are freelance are writing 30 articles a week if they can you know they're

cranking these things out in there and if you you are a company, for instance, you now have to employ that person. And so companies based in D.C., if you're writing for a political, whatever it might be, they were saying, we can't work with you because we would have to fall under the laws of AB5 and either hire you or that's it. And we're not going to hire you. This is a perfect example of where you can be fiscally conservative and socially liberal right and you don't have to agree with you don't have to like uniformly agree with everything that's on your side and this is this is one of those this is a conservative viewpoint that i completely agree

with give people freedom yeah especially especially with what we do, whether it's a comic or a writer, or you do both. But that kind of shit is crazy, the idea that you would have to be, like forcing people to join unions is insane. Yeah, and if you really, I encourage people to read the PRO Act bill and to try and figure it out. Again, go to the source material. Don't just listen to

me. Go research this stuff. There's some stuff that I think most people are like, okay, that's a little reasonable. But the problem with these bills is that they try and cram in as much crap as they possibly can. And so you there's, um, it would make it so that you could there's it's just, it's very pro union. And I again again don't have anything against unions but they shouldn't have all of the power you know you shouldn't be forced to join a union in order to work um as a comedian or a freelance writer and it hurt so many people I heard sign language people who do translations it hurt um people who work as independent drivers pro you know personal assistants like that it was an endless there's a whole website devoted to stories from

people from hundreds of different why did they pass it because the woman who did is an insane person i mean this i think it's part of the reason that um elon's probably gonna bounce out of there too because i don't know that he uses you i'm not sure but i i'm not sure that he uses union people in his factories um i could be wrong about that but i know that part of her beef was with elon and uber and these big corporations but when you look at who's funding her which I love doing is following the money of all these people, it's like all the labor unions. So she's in the pockets of these people and she will post something

and then people will be in her mentions like, please don't do this. You're hurting us. You're hurting us. You're hurting your constituents. Her name's Lorena Gonzalez. You're hurting, and she'll just take the ability

for anybody to reply to her i'm like what kind of fucking representative are you that you are saying i'm helping people your people are like you're hurting us and she's like mutes all replies like you actually don't care about your people you're just posturing and saying that you do and in fact you're just in the pocket of unions and pushing a bill that most everyone in the state. I mean, Uber and Lyft are going to leave California, not like leave, take their headquarters like no Uber or Lyft in California because they couldn't comply with the whole freaking business model of Uber is independent contractors and Lyft.

That's the business. That is the business model. That was the whole plan. That's the business. That is the business model. That was the whole plan. That's the whole thing, the deal. And you're trying to say, no, you need to employ these people. What is California going to look like in 10 years? Is it going to be Mad Max?

It feels like Mad Max already a little. I mean, with the fires. It does a little, especially now that it's on fire. Yeah, it's just, it's so, it's so, it's heartbreaking what's happening to some of the cities it just i believe that there will be a resurgence i think whenever the city's empty out artists move in and weirdos and they're like woohoo opportunity so i i believe in the creative especially in new york it's like people are like new york is dead i'm like it's it's not dead you know that

well i hope they're right i hope so too but people still live there in the 70s even though it's violent i think la has more problems than new york does la is just one earthquake away from being a dead man's land yeah no i don't want to be there for that because when if the earthquake hits you think there's a mass exodus now yeah yeah the mass exodus now is about freedom yeah that's most of it it's about freedom and then the worry about taxes because they're talking about raising taxes they didn't i think that fell that didn't pass i could be wrong but i'm pretty sure that that even that was too crazy for california that or is that the wealth tax they were thinking about the wealth tax and then oh i don't know the wealth tax is something they were gonna that died

yeah that was the most ridiculous proposal of all time biden's talking about that today though wealth tax and then oh i don't know the wealth tax is something they were gonna that died yeah that was the most ridiculous proposal of all time biden's talking about that today though is it the same tax the california tax it said like if you make over four hundred thousand dollars a year nothing or excuse me like under nothing will change tax the wealth or tax the wealth or something over four hundred thousand the thing about the california one peter schiff talked about it it's it's so it was so crazy that 10 years ago, if you had left 10 years ago, you'd owe money. And then if you leave now, from 10 years on, they could get money from you. Yeah, that's big.

So if you leave today, you owe money for 10 more years. It's so ridiculous. How do you even enforce that? You're just criminals. You're just stealing. You're stealing. Yeah, it's shameless stealing. And the idea, Tim Kennedy was was on the here it is if you make under four hundred thousand dollars a year this is joe

biden you will not by the way he didn't write this you will not pay a penny more in taxes when i'm president the super wealthy and big corporation will finally pay their fair share and will invest the money in working families we're going to reward work not wealth no you're not no here's the thing that drives me crazy. Where the biggest wealth, I believe it's California that has the most wealth inequality in America. They have done nothing to help the middle class. They've eaten the middle class completely. All my friends who are my, in my age or a little younger in their 30s, they all had to leave and go buy a house.

And they left years ago because they're like, it's too expensive for us to try and get ahead and have kids and these mom and pops that are getting destroyed nobody they don't give a shit about the middle class or the working class and so every you're seeing tons of homeless people are unhoused and tons of people who are absolutely loaded i can't where how am i gonna you know how much money it would take for me to buy a house in LA for a down payment in my neighborhood, 1,300 square feet? $250,000. Like a quarter of a million.

You're looking at me like, that's not that much money. It's a lot of money. You're like, what's the problem, Bridget? It's a lot of money. It's a lot of fucking money. It's a lot of money it's a lot of fucking money yeah it's not i get it there's no detached but i'm not detached there's i still understand it there's no pathway upward for the middle class in places like new york don't you think when places get

really big though it's almost they're unmanageable when they get really big and they're always when they're really big they're always run by democrats yeah the really big. And they're always, when they're really big, they're always run by Democrats. Yeah. The really big cities are always Democrat run for whatever strange reason. I mean, Detroit's a good example of what happened. You know, that was a thriving city. Yeah, but that was different because then that was when they shifted the auto industry. Yeah, and there's no...

Detroit was one of the richest cities in the world. Yeah. Yeah, they fucked that up. Globalization. Yeah. I mean, that was one of Michael Moore's best destroy was one of the richest cities in the world yeah yeah they fucked that up globalization yeah i mean that was one of michael moore's best movies was about flint oh yeah you know about how i never saw flint michigan um what was it called what was his first movie the big movie that put him on the map michael moore was it the climate roger roger roger and me roger and me yeah it was all about the guy who was the head of gm is that what it was where he was uh trying to contact him to figure out why you're moving jobs out of the city and do you understand what you're doing to this place and that was ben he

was a real populist yeah you know and it's funny how he became a villain when he had this movie criticizing the industry of climate change the industry behind climate change and everybody's like you piece of shit it's like hey i thought i was one of you guys like everyone's canceled it's when we were driving around and our tour guide our little sherpa who was showing us around he he was like showing us all these amazing little old austin places that are closed because of covid and will probably never open and they've been there since like 1938 and all that and you know we were saying like if I was a philanthropic billionaire I would buy all these little mom and pops and help keep them alive because they're the lifeblood of these cities and they're also just the that's what kills me is like I hate seeing

this this coffee shop that's been there since forever close and there's a Starbucks next door and like they're fine. It just kills that. That is where I want. Well, Austin is all about these little small independent places, independent restaurants, independent businesses. That's one of the things that I really love about it. Yeah. That's one of the things that attracted me to this place in the first place. I'm hoping that new ones will rise and take their place that's that's the hope is that the ethic of this community

we need a more robust middle class you know if i that's what we need to cultivate in california if you want to try and fix california that's where you start how do you help people who are living in the 100 to 600000 a year range or even less, $60,000, because what is their pathway up? Especially now, right? Yeah, how do you help them? Because that's what holds the center. Bridget, why don't you run for president?

Thank you. You'd be able to nail it. Maybe we should both run. No. Yeah. No, but I'll support you. I'll be your veep. No dumpster fire maybe we should both run no yeah no no but i'll support you i'll be your veep no no i'll support you i don't want to be president i give you a veep come on you'd be first woman president um comal harris would be the first woman president if joe biden wins with their timbers because he ain't gonna make it yeah with the timbalands all right uh we did three hours we saved oh. Oh, really? More than three hours. Yeah, it's already four o'clock.

It's past four. Sorry, it was awesome. I enjoyed it. That was a fun one. You gonna move here? I'm definitely considering it. Okay. I don't like to be a follower.

You're not a follower. I'm a follower. It feels so lame. No. Why? Because I got here first? No, no. Just because I'm generally, everybody's leaving and i'm generally

and i want out don't be stupid i just don't know where i want to go it's better here maybe i'll go to idaho that's right good but they'll get mad if you talk about it shout out to boise all right uh dumpster fire it's available on youtube walk-ins welcome is my podcast it's a different vibe than dumpster fire a little more nuanced and uh your instagram you don't use and twitter at bridget pedicel we use twitter a lot i love twitter twitter loves you thank you i love you too i love you thank you for having me thanks for being here i enjoy it as bye everybody Bye.