The Joe Rogan Experience - #1542 - Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: September 29, 2020

Master bowhunter and elite athlete Cameron Hanes has successfully taken down some of the toughest game in the roughest environments nature has to offer, all in pursuit of becoming “the ultimate predator.” He’s the author of Backcountry Bowhunting: a Guide to the Wildside, and the host of the podcast Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day hello campaigns what's up what's going on buddy good to see you oh man it's good to be here in the spaceship look at this it's weird right yeah it's very uh polarizing people love it or hate it a lot of people hate it oh really yeah i think it's cool i like it yeah i don't love it yeah i don't think it's perfect but i think it's interesting it's uh we did it really quickly i mean we we decided to move here within six weeks we were here um i said this on the video on my instagram but i should probably say it again you live up there in oregon yes and i i said something incorrect i said about uh there was a guy who got i know there was one guy who got arrested for lighting fires

and i thought i'd read some other shit about activists getting arrested for lighting fires or antifa people shouldn't even call them activists what do you call them crazy people morons but it's not true so sorry if you heard me say that jamie uh informed me of it today it's one thing about being out of the loop you don't know when people are mad at you yeah but True. So sorry if you heard me say that. Jamie informed me of it today. It's one thing about being out of the loop. You don't know when people are mad at you. Yeah. But this time, I agree with them.

They're mad at me for something that... Well, somebody did get arrested for the Molotov cocktail. I read that. That turns out to be true. He got arrested, and then he got out of jail, and then lit some more things on fire. Right. See, here's the thing. When you say Antifa like what does that mean right it could just be a crazy person and that's what a lot of antifa is like that guy that shot

that dude in portland the guy that shot the trump supporter yeah that guy's a crazy person yeah he's dead now right he was he was a crazy person yeah you know just decided to pile on to this thing and become an activist but that's what when you don't have a like a an entry examination yeah anyone could just join up show up yeah you just show up and now you're antifa yeah and now you're a part of the resistance yeah but i fucked up i said that people a lot of people were arrested i read some shit about it i don't remember where i read it about all these people getting arrested for lighting wildfires, but it wasn't true It was just this one guy well for sure. I think they should have been arrested. Maybe that's a difference Well, I see that's why it made sense to me because they had been arrested for lighting fires in or that they didn't been arrested

they had been Seen lighting fires and throwing them into the mayor of Portland's Apartment lobby. Yeah, and they were lighting fires out in the street in front of his apartment. It just, when someone said, oh, look at all these arrests, they're arresting people for lighting fires. I just went, oh, that makes sense. And I just repeated it. I'm very upset with myself.

I don't like when I repeat shit that's not true. That's definitely not true. Yeah. I mean, it's a hard time though. It's your spot up there though. It is. That's your area. Yeah. It's, you know, people, and they find out, oh, you're from Oregon. So what do you think of all,

you know, it's just, it's kind of embarrassing to just, because I understand people have an opinion and they want change and they, you know, maybe it's, maybe some of it is valid, but I don't agree with a hundred nights of burning or however many nights it's been of just burning and ruining a city. I don't understand how that—I mean, eventually, maybe one night, have a protest, do whatever, get your message out, talk to people, but just destruction? I don't get that. I think it's exactly what we were just saying, that you get enough people that join onto a movement, and the movement has no directive or leaders. They're just there showing up. And you're going to get morons that do things like light books on fire

and throw them into the lobby, like doing all the things that they were doing, trying to break into the federal building. Just people are nuts, man. And people are there. Everyone's so many angry people right now, too. That's also part of the problem. So many people are angry.

It's a crazy time. And so many people are out of work because of COVID, because everything's shut down. So people are furious because of that. They don't know what to do. It's one of those things where it doesn't seem like there's a solution on the horizon for a lot of people. And so then they're like, we got to on the horizon for a lot of people. No.

And so then they're like, we got to burn this system down. Fuck this system. And it's like, whew. But Portland is a fun place. I love going up there. I've always loved Portland. Well, I'm proud to be from Oregon. I mean, Oregon is a great state.

This, I don't know, it's really hard to support just destruction. Yeah. And it's just, it doesn't seem like it's helping anything, you know? And then, you know, all the conspiracy theories,

Oh, it's the fucking, you know, they're, they're, they're trying to bring down democracy. It's Russia and China involved. And,

Oh, George Soros is funding it. Like there's a million different versions of the conspiracy of to why there's so much chaos in the streets. You know, it's a, it's a weird time. Yeah.

I mean, Eddie Bravo was right about a lot of stuff. Alex Jones was right about a lot of stuff. Right. Yeah. You know, it is crazy because you start, and I've even texted you about this, about wondering about, you know, people would always say,

well, do the elites run the country and they're controlling this and media and this and that. And then you start wondering or thinking or seeing, and you see all this and it's like, maybe that's true. Maybe the elites have been controlling everything and they're still trying to with this COVID and the fear and everything they're doing, just they can control people with fear. And that's what's happening. I get super suspicious when people use that term, the elites. I'm like, how do you get in that group? I don't even know what that is. Is there a meeting?

Yeah. What is the elites? What does that mean? I don't like them. I know that. I know enough about it, but. I don't know if they're real. I mean, there has to be, right?

There is a Bilderberg meeting, right? Yeah. With the Bilderberg group. They get together and they meet up. Mm-hmm. But what do they do? I don't know. Maybe they just talk about interest rates yeah yeah well we were talking about this and i would probably i'm a bowhunter all right so i don't like the the politics and trying to explain all this you stay

in your lane i try to stay in my lane but i do have thoughts on other things. And we were talking about like, if you even look at the movie 300 and gladiator, like the old time, the, the weird, they would say boy lovers. And, you know, it's like these politicians, it's like a toned down version of that still. It's like, there's so politicians, I don't know. That's why Trump got elected. They were so people are so sick of quote politicians, but there still is that, that don't know, that's why Trump got elected. They were so, people were so sick of, quote, politicians. But there still is that influence and that them controlling and then just so much different than the people, you know? Yeah. Well, I think that's how you become successful as a politician. You have to be a politician.

You have to be, like, deeply embedded. And again, this is just guessing. I'm a moron, too. I should stay in my lane. I don't know what i'm saying yeah but i would imagine that the only way you really get successful as a politician is you have to be connected to all these other people that are connected to all these special interest groups and lobbies and that's why you have to go to these fundraisers and that's why you have to mingle and and then it becomes normal you become a part of you know it becomes a normal part of the system yeah and

i would imagine that that's the case with almost any big business like that's why guys get together the big businessmen get together and golf yeah right they get together and they talk shit and they figure out their plan and they they work out deals and stuff and yeah and some of them do it on fuck island with jeffrey epstein you know i think that's a lot of no wait what do you mean i haven't heard anything about that well it's just a place it I think that's a lot of... No, wait. What do you mean? I haven't heard anything about that. What is that? Well, it's just a place. It's beautiful.

There's a lot of beautiful trees and beautiful warm water. And why is it called Fuck Island? Oh, I don't call it that. I call it a nice place to meet nice people. Right. I mean, how crazy is that? That's just gone. It's like, hey, wasn't that a story?

Yeah. Was that a thing? It just went away. But that sounds way crazier than antifa lighting fires in portland yeah yeah and it's true right that's a real one yeah there's i can talk about that and they're like well yeah it is what it is yeah i'm so mad at myself for saying that story and have it not be true when jamie showed it to me today i was like did i say that yeah what is it like working with a moron is it weird like no really like having someone like me

being a moron like i am being responsible for steering the ship and you know your livelihood is connected to this this has got to be strange right you're hitting the buttons man well you got to take the good with the bad i guess is that how you look at it yeah so how how does a self-proclaimed moron yeah have the president of the united states he's clearly a moron too there's no one that makes sense tweeting about you mentioning you want when do oh actually when does him and biden get here see joe biden's a smart one he's like well that guy's a moron i'm not going on his podcast but trump is a smart one we got we got problems trump is like that makes sense to me i'm in well trump is like i mean he's obviously deeply again way way out of

my lane just talking nonsense but he's obviously connected to business he's a huge businessman hugely successful businessman but not a politician in any way other than becoming president yeah which is fucking bananas yeah you know part of it is good man part of it's good just to expose this system just to let everybody know hey look what can happen yeah look out look how it can go wrong he has a whole fake news has really got some traction now yeah fake news is a real thing now i always say fake news yeah i was pretty impressed with uh the the treaty we just signed with Israel. I mean, remember, Jared Kushner, he got beat up a lot, and Trump for appointing, and the whole family,

and how everybody's involved in his operation, basically. But Jared Kushner wasn't qualified, and then here we sign this great treaty with israel and how'd that happen i don't know see if jared kushner was not married to trump's daughter i think people would look at him very differently the problem is he's married to trump's daughter and he looks like damien from the omen have you ever seen photos of him and damien side to side no i haven't dude he looks like a goddamn horror movie like he's the the devil's son because perfect like slick back hair perfect angular features thin and always wears a suit yeah jamie show me what's up push some buttons he looks he looks very similar to

the omen well whatever he did it was good come on son look at that yeah look at him and look at damien look at that yeah come on come on right there come on that's almost exact bro is that photoshop no it could be photoshop no and even showing off his watch look at my watch the devil gave me this watch that's not gucci look at that those two up in the that looks like a horror movie like oh they're they're bringing in the antichrist oh the one the far left with donald trump being blurry and him that one right there click on that one come on son that's some satanic shit if that wasn't a stephen king movie you'd be like oh my god they've got to stop him they've got to stop

him well whatever powers he's used it it worked out good for this treaty it's just got good features yeah you know the kid's getting a hard time because he's used, it worked out good for this treaty. It's just got good features. Yeah, that's it. The kid's getting a hard time because he's got good angular features. Yeah, yeah. I wish I looked that good. I do too. Yeah.

Smooth skin. Oh, man. Looks nice. He's young. Yeah. Handsome. Tight. Yeah.

Everything's smooth. No ruddiness to his skin. No. Yeah, I don't know. The problem is if you're married to the president's daughter and then you get a big job in in the white house automatically you're fucked like people are just gonna say automatically you don't deserve that position there's no way and biden's son is the same thing probably right yeah i mean that doesn't come up too often either and that's

pretty scandalous right that thing where thing where someone got fired because Biden forced it through. How did that work? Do you remember that? Oh. We should stay out of politics. Let's try to avoid the retractions. I just wish there was something going on that I was really excited about. Like, this is good. Like Elk Honey.

We're doing that soon. We're days away. And the thing about it, so I was just in Colorado. No reception. You versus the animals. Reading the country, reading the wind. That's, I mean, that's life. None of this BS.

Yeah. Well, that's the beautiful thing about the woods as a reset, is that when you're out there in quiet, you realize, oh, none of these animals out here give a fuck about me. They don't know who I am. They don't know what is happening in the world. They're not aware of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. No. Nancy Pelosi or Donald Trump.

They don't know nothing. They're just out there trying to eat grass and not get eaten. And breed. Yeah. or donald trump they don't know nothing they're just out there trying to eat grass and not get eaten and breed yeah and and you know john when john was there last year he was like 18 yards away from a mountain lion john oh definitely yeah yeah well i saw um we saw i think when i was there i saw one but the guys hunting saw two during the day, mountain lions, and just out doing it because the snow came, the weird snowstorm. It went from 90 degrees one day to 20 degrees the next day. How does that happen? I don't know.

Jared Kushner. That's how. Yeah. Satan. Yeah. Exactly. Had to be. But anyway, the animals were, they didn't know what to do.

So the lions were out hunting hard. They were like, this is great. Animals weren't moving because they didn't know. They were kind of what to do. So the lions were out hunting hard. They were like, this is great. Animals weren't moving because they didn't know. They were kind of caught off guard. Normally, the seasons change as a gradual. I think the bull stopped bugling. The deer stopped moving. Normally, the bucks are in velvet, so they're off feeding and just in their normal routine.

Everything stopped because of snow and this cold temperature came. But the lions were like're like oh yeah now we're going to the hot pocket section and killing some deer and elk and uh it was it was crazy but we saw two lions and then the bear were kind of gone for a little while but then they popped back out too and uh it was good hunting for sure yeah um that video that you posted the bear eating the elk calf that's uh that's something that people need to see yeah need to see the it's like people who love wild animals i i understand it like but there's there's a real cruelty to the way they die in the wild yeah that if people get upset about hunters like you kind of i understand that you wouldn't want a

beautiful animal to die i do understand that but you kind of need understand that you wouldn't want a beautiful animal to die i do understand that but you kind of need to know that they're gonna die no matter what happens and this is the way they usually die yeah and it's a rough way to go you know bears eating animals like that it's it's so hard to watch too because the bears don't really kill them first no and and the bear this year was a hard year for the elk calves because, so the cows were pregnant, drop, we call it dropping the calves. So they were given birth and the bear were just following, knowing that the calves are going to be dropped. They'll be on the ground. They can't stand up and they could just kill them pretty quick. And so they were finding like two cat, two dead elk calves a day, every day. And this was a hard year specifically because it was dry in southern Colorado. So the grass didn't grow. Normally the grass would be taller. There'd be more cover.

Elk calves could hide better. They were just laying on the open. And the bears were like, oh, okay, there you are. Go kill them and start eating them. And it was just, they hammered them this year i mean normally i talked to the game warden there um when i was on that hunt great guy legend bob's his name and um he's been there for many years and uh he said that normally in that area there's about i think 23 elk calves survive a year out of 100.

And this year was down in the teens because the grass was, they couldn't hide. So it's going to be a rough year in the future. It's tough to survive anyway. I mean, 23 out of 100 isn't, you know, don't quote me on these numbers, but it was just, the point is I want to make it was less this year because there wasn't the cover yeah it's a it's a rough world man the world that they live in you know when we were there with johnny hamilton and he was telling us that story i've told the story before on the podcast about how they were tracking a cat and uh they they found the cat's tracks and then elk tracks and then no more cat tracks and then they found the elk about 100 yards later the cat had jumped on the elk's back yeah and taken out a big bull elk yeah i mean those they are amazing

creatures they live in the snow they live in cold weather in the mountains they live solo they hunt solo they only interact with other animals mostly when it's time to breed, right? Yeah. Cats? Yeah. Yeah. And they kill, cats specifically kill a lot of big bucks. And the reason why is because those big old bucks, they like being by themselves. They don't like being, they just kind of go off by themselves, bed, and they live a solo life, basically. That's easy target for a cat. So cats kill a lot of big bucks yeah it makes sense

but they're i love that they're there this is the thing about predators it's like i don't want to get eaten by a mountain lion but i love that they exist i don't want to get eaten by a grizzly but i love the fact that there are grizzly bears yeah like all of it is it's so it's such an interesting world the world of the wild the world of predator and prey and when you're out in there you feel so vulnerable and you feel so fleshy like like whenever i see and like when you even when you like you you're taking care of an elk that you killed and you feel their hide yeah you're like god i'm so weak like everything that we have is so soft and they're just they live in this life that's so it's so robust and it's so if they survive like the bull i just killed that taxidermist um

he just texted or sent me a message on instagram of the ivory. So that's the back teeth of the bull. They call them ivories. They're ivory. People make jewelry out of them. But he said they're the most worn ivories he's ever seen. So the bull was very old. And so you can imagine a bull that's in that country, 10, 12 years old, where you're living outside every single day.

I mean, we stay outside one time and it's just like, oh my God, I thought I was gonna die. People do die. People do die from hypothermia. They're out every single day living in the mountains. So when you see their hide, they're built for that when their muscle, I mean, a seven, 800 pound bull elk

that never eats meat, obviously, just eating grass, solid muscle. You know, those things are just built. It's incredible. And also with all those lions and the bears trying to survive that, Johnny, you mentioned Johnny Hamilton, they took eight lions out of that country this year, and we're still seeing them during the daylight every day.

They have so much food. Oh, yeah. That's the thing. If it's good hunting, lions are going to be there. Yeah. It's just the world that they live in, so spectacular. Oh, yeah. That's the thing. If it's good hunting, lions are going to be there. Yeah. It's just the world that they live in. So spectacular.

They're trying to reintroduce wolves to Colorado. Oh, God. Don't. You know about all that? Yeah. That's ridiculous. You think that's ridiculous? Yeah.

No. I'd like to have a biologist sit down and talk to, like a biologist who's pro reintroduction of wolves, sit down with someone like you and have like a conversation about it. Yeah. Here's the problem. Here's what they do. They say it all sounds good. Hey, let's wolves are a big part of the whatever.

Let's get them back in where they used to be. Let's make, because even you said you like knowing there's grizzly bear out there and you don't, obviously you don't want to be attacked, but just knowing they're there and maybe seeing them and wolves are amazing animal the problem is they make they make all these um oh i don't know i don't want to say promises but they sell it a certain way like we're going to have this many packs of wolves and they'll they they'll breed this, this often.

And then, so we'll have a carrying capacity of this many wolves. Well, so once the wolves are there, then it's, oh no, we can't kill wolves. Cause they, they sell it. Like they're going to manage them, you know, cause we're going to keep this many, but then it's like, once they're there, they're like, oh no, we can't hunt wolves. I was like, well, no, I thought you were going to, I thought we were going to manage them. Oh, so that then everything goes back to that and then you got all these protests with all these pro-wolf advocates saying we can't hunt wolves so they're there they're breeding over and over and over you got all these wolves running around killing because that's what they do and we can't hunt them because now we've backtracked well it is one of those things

where they promise that like they have a number like if we have 2,000 wolves in this particular area then we'll open it up to management right management means is they'll have tags and they'll put tags available for hunters and they can go and hunt wolves people that hear that they're like wait why would you like they hear you don't eat wolves why would you hunt wolves wolves are beautiful wolves are like dogs yeah but i understand that and i'm on that perspective i get that perspective it makes a lot of sense to me but people need to know that there was a reason why they wiped him out in the first place yeah like they they were destroying cattle and they were i understand too like hey they were here first i I get that. I get that perspective. But if you eat meat and you like having cattle, these ranchers, it's a struggle as a rancher as it is.

Yeah. And if ranchers get hit with wolves and wolves start taking out their calves and taking out their cattle, it can be devastating. In Alaska, they kill people's dogs. There's a lot of wild videos of wolves tearing apart dogs in people's backyards. And wolves are just doing wolf things. Yeah, that's what they do. It's not their fault. But once they're there, they're not going anywhere.

Well, places where they exist, they have a different perspective on them. I remember I was in B.C. and I ran into this man at the airport. And I forget why he came up to me. I think, like, I me i think like i had a maybe i had a hunting t-shirt on or something something hammering maybe it was a keep hammering shirt but he he came up to me and he said uh are you a hunter and i said yeah yeah and he goes uh he goes yeah we uh we do a lot of hunting up here he goes i do a lot of wolf hunting and uh i was like you will you wolf hunt like just right out right out of the gate at

the airport yeah i'm a wolf hunter yeah and i go why do you hunt wolves like what are you hunting wolves for this is like early on in my my hunting days right and he's like if you don't hunt them man you got a real problem with their numbers he goes i and he was telling me stories about friends that have ranches and they get attacked by wolves you know the cattle get attacked by wolves and he was telling me that they take barrels of frozen meat and that they freeze them with water and then they leave these big bricks of frozen meat and water uh out for wolves and then he's got stands set up where he uh who waits for wolves because it takes a long time for them to eat through the meat and the ice like this like a barrel right filled with and you know he just kind of sets up shop and he goes and he goes some of them are just too smart he goes i'll set that

up and they're like nope i know what that is yeah it won't come anywhere near it he goes you'd be amazed how smart they are but it's just people that live like in bc in northern bc there's a lot of wolves they have wolf issues up there and those people they have a completely different attitude about what a wolf is yeah but it's the people that know wolves it's just the same thing in bc with the grizzly bears you know i mean and anybody who's out in the bush knows hey grizzlies are a big problem out here but the people in the city make the decisions with the vote right and that's what happened when they banned grizzly bear hunting in bc and that's what would likely happen in Colorado with wolves. Yeah, most likely.

Yeah, I mean, Colorado's Denver and Boulder. Yeah. Right, that's the big population centers. Very liberal. Very, and they're not going to be into shooting wolves. Anybody who's out there, like where I was and the guys I'm hunting with, there's no debate, no wolves. Yeah.

And it's, yeah, I mean. But some people say, like, the reason that's the case is because people want a lot of animals that they can hunt. Like, this is the argument, like, Steve Rinell has actually talked about this before with Alaska, that Alaska's done this sort of over-management of wolves in certain areas because they want to make sure that there's a high number of moose and caribou and deer

so that people will come up there to hunt. Yeah. You know, because they're trying to maintain. And he's like, there's an argument that that's not the natural ecosystem. The natural ecosystem doesn't include skyscrapers. That's true, too. So, yeah, I mean, humans do infringe on, that's part of it. So it's never going to be like cavemen or Native American times. it's never going to be it's never going to be like caveman or native american times it's never going to be back to that yeah so we're trying to balance it as best

we can and you know big game animals are a resource they're a resource for the states that they you know hunters do come in they contribute to a lot of things the habitat the conservation different projects and that's hunting money so if if there's a bunch of wolves there and you can't hunt the wolves because these groups have protested and made it illegal and then the wolves are killing all the deer and elk, yeah, that's not going to work. Yeah, it's an interesting situation because I love the fact that there are places where there are wolves. Like whenever we've gone to BCc to john and jen's

place up there alberta yeah or i'd say sorry alberta whenever we've gone up there um in canada you you know there's wolves in that area and there's something cool about it i remember we saw one once in the distance crossing uh crossing a road it's pretty far away yeah but i remember that was like the closest i've ever been to a wolf. But just seeing it crossing that road, I'm like, look at that. That's a fucking wolf. Yeah, and I think that we get our bear license, but then we also get a license for wolves. I think it's $25 or $50. It's pretty cheap.

And there's always a hope that you'll see a wolf and it'd be nice to get an arrow in one. Well, they want to control them because they destroy the population of the moose and the elk. And it's, you know, for people that aren't in that world, they're like, well, why would you want to kill a wolf? Like, why don't just let them sort it out? Like, that's the California argument. Like, what they want to do, essentially, the people that manage wildlife, a lot of them, at least in California, they would like to eliminate hunting and let the animals all take

care of themselves in some sort of normal, wild way and force everyone to eat tofu. Force you to eat tofu until you grow breasts. I think that's the plan. I think it's written somewhere. I don't think that's true. But I do think that they don't like the idea of human beings.

Like there's things that people will accept, like deer hunting. People have deer hunted forever. A lot of people have eaten deer. Deer tastes good. That makes sense. But as soon as you move into things like mountain lions, like even if you tell people that mountain lions taste good, they don't want to hear that.

No. They do not want to hear you're eating mountain lions. They're not seeing lions, so they don't think there's any out there but california is riddled with mountain lions yeah there's quite a few yeah there's quite a few and they also don't have bad experiences with them i think the people that have bad experiences with them have a completely different attitude yeah you have one on your back you want to hunt it yeah now it's not you're not in disney yeah not in a disney movie now you're a part of the food chain and you realize like oh i'm way down here i'm not up here when i'm in my house and i've got a gun i'm up here but when you're uh

out in the woods and you don't have a gun and you're hiking and you realize you're being stalked yeah there's a crazy video that i saw once from colorado this guy and uh there's a mountain line slowly walking towards him on this trail and he's trying to figure out what to do. And he's talking to it. And he's saying, hey, get the fuck out of here. And you realize he got away. The mountain lion gave up on him, luckily. But that could have been the end of that guy's life.

That thing is just slowly moving towards him and trying to figure out whether or not it could eat him. And that's all it does. It's not like, I've never done this before. I don't know if I can do this. it takes down things every single day yeah i mean it definitely yeah when it's when a predator locks eyes on you like that it's definitely a different feeling i mean yeah it's uh they're good at what they do i mean they kill yeah um i remember that Under Armour commercial that you did where they had a wolf in the commercial with you. And you said they could only get the wolf to growl one time because after that it was over. You could not control the wolf.

No. To make it growl, to make it mad, we gave it meat and then took it away. So it was very upset it didn't get the meat. But once it got in that, because it was obviously a tame wolf or a, it had been in movies. Trained wolf. But once you introduced meat and it got in that mindset of meat, yeah, then that was going to be it. Yeah, this is the commercial. It's an awesome commercial. How long ago was this commercial? I'm not sure. Quite a few years ago right yeah like four or five at least say 2013 damn seven years ago yeah it's a dope commercial yeah and it's cool the wolf was awesome i mean wolves are

amazing how big was it it was tall i mean i'd say it's probably 120 130 pounds i guess but they're a lot taller than what you like compared to a dog a normal dog how come they don't do more of these commercials i don't know so the whole idea is that you and the wolf are in competition and that you won out yeah see i got the bull and it's mad And so that's when it did that growling. Yeah, yeah, and then after it did that, that was it. You can tell it's got a collar. Back that up a little bit. Back that up a little bit.

Look, look at that. Yeah, it has, well, it's just a little rope, but it had its hair matted down right there. Yeah. But it's a little rope. That's someone's dog, bro. That's a husky. No, it was a wolf, but it had a little rope that's someone's dog bro that's a husky no it was a wolf but it's yeah

it had a little piece of rope on it have you ever heard the john dudley story that he told on the podcast yeah yeah i'm being surrounded by a wolf or something like that they fucked up and it was like that scene in the gray they killed an elk and they didn't realize they killed an elk literally in the wolf's den oh god like where they killed the elk there was like bones all over the place in the area. And they're like, oh, shit. And these wolves circled them and decided they were going to take the elk. Wow.

Yeah. Where was that? It was in BC. BC. And it was him and a guide. And the guide only had a certain amount of bullets. Oh. And he only had a certain amount.

Because John only uses a four-arrow quiver. Yeah. So John shot the elk with one quiver or one arrow-hour quiver yeah so john shot the uh elk with one quiver or one arrow from his quiver and then he had three left and he killed two other wolves and he had one arrow left and uh they had shot three wolves together like and the wolves were running at them running at them he killed two wolves that were running at him wow yeah and then one of them he thinks was the alpha male was sitting on the top of this ridge like at about i think he said about 50 60 yards staring at

him and he drew back for that one and then he took off and then the whole pack just took off with them they'd abandoned the situation because they realized what was going on but when they shot one he said all the other ones started howling like they try to figure out who was dead yeah check in yeah which is crazy so like he's basically in a weird little war with these wolves and they were they were making runs at him that'd be intense oh my god he said our back was to a tree and he goes the guide only has like a couple of bullets because the guide's bullets are just to scare off grizzlies yeah and yeah he doesn't want to shoot it he just wants to scare it they're not hunting grizzlies yeah so he brings

a couple i'll just grab a couple bullets put in my pocket and then here they are out in this situation where they're they're literally getting run up on by a pack of wolves man that's intense i couldn't imagine wow yeah i've seen i've seen what me and roy um the lat it wasn't our last hunt is the hunt before i was hunting brown bear up in alaska and i wanted to kill in this area there's so many brown bear you could kill two so i wanted to kill one spot in stock and then hunting hunting a tree and and you can bait them up there because there's so many. And they just made this legal. So my goal was to hunt both ways. Anyway, I killed a bear on the spot and stalk.

And we were up in the tree trying to kill another bear. We were on this island. And I thought we saw a flash of a bear earlier, and it was getting dark. It's like, well, it never really gets dark for about an hour and a half at this time of year. This was in July. And so we were just going to stay in the tree the whole time. So we got in there at seven at night and we're going to stay till five in the morning and

just kind of ride out the darkness. And I saw a flash and I thought we'd seen a bear earlier, but it didn't come in. And I thought, oh, the bear's coming back. It turns out it was a wolf and it's a black wolf. And it came in there, have it on video. I haven't even shared it yet, but it was a black wolf and it stopped there at about 20 or 25 yards. And it was so just a wild wolf that close is pretty amazing.

It's like their special animal. It is. There's something about them because they're so damn smart. Yeah. It reminds me of that picture. just a wild wolf that close is pretty amazing it's like their special animal it is there's something about them because they're so damn smart yeah it reminds me of that picture or the wolf in the picture i think did they send you one too that photographer the wolf i have on the snow the black one yeah yeah yeah it reminded me of that old studio yeah yeah just such a incredible animal so yeah i i love wolves i definitely definitely don't think wolves should be wiped out or anything like that, but I just don't think wolves in Colorado,

that's not a thing we should do. It's just reintroducing them just sets off a whole chain. I need to talk to somebody. There was a guy that is a pro, he's a biologist and he's pro wolf reintroduction. Yeah. I need to have him. You want to be on with him?

Sure. Yeah, let's do it. It'd be him? Sure. Yeah, let's do it. It'd be an interesting conversation. Yeah, let's do it. Maybe he could explain. Yeah. There's a great video called How Wolves... I think it's called How Wolves Change Rivers.

Yeah. You see that? Yeah, I've heard about it. Yeah. Really interesting video about this guy. He talked about the reintroduction of wolves in the 1990s into Yellowstone. Into Yellowstone, yeah. Yeah, and about how it's changed the ecosystem for the better. Yeah. But then I looked into the guy. Yeah. And about how it's changed the ecosystem for the better.

Yeah. But then I looked into the guy. Yeah. And the guy is... For the better is... Yeah. He's an eccentric character. Yeah.

I'm not saying he's wrong, but he's into what's called rewilding. And he wants to reintroduce wild animals into places, including like the UK. He wants to reintroduce like... He's like, the UK used to have lions and elephants and all these different animals. He wants to see if we could find this gentleman. The guy, the concept is rewilding. And apparently he was like this really depressed guy.

He was like urban, doing the normal city thing in England and got really into the idea of wildlife and reintroducing wildlife. Yeah. I feel bad for them over there. I mean, no hunting. Yeah. I mean, you know, me without hunting, I don't know. Well, that's your source of food.

It's also what you train for, which i first met you and i was like why does this guy train so hard like what is he doing and then you're like oh i trained for uh bow hunting i'm like what like what is happening when you bow hunt like are you in a race like what's going on and then the first time you took me i was like oh okay i get it fuck you have to be in like really crazy shape yeah to pull this off. Well, you don't have to, but what I know is like when hunting and you know how it is now,

you've done it for years. But in the mountains, there's so many decisions. Yeah, you can get up and down the mountains. You can get around elk, but there's so many decisions that you have to make and it's related on performance. So the higher level of performance, the better decisions you're going to make.

I mean, like on these last hunts, I pretty much have an arrow knocked. I killed two bulls this year and a buck and a bear. I've had an arrow knocked pretty much all day, ready to go. And that can be fatiguing. Just walking around slowly is tiring so when you're at a heightened level for eight hours or more 15 hours on some days and you're covering distance and it's like i want to be ready at all times for anything that happens all times for anything that happens so i have an arrow knocked and i am ready so like to do that it's exhausting if i if i didn't train the way i do i couldn't do that so who knows what that

would result in as far as success but people don't realize that just i mean you know what it's like when you're hunting it's like almost you know yoga poses all day essentially i've heard people describe it as yeah and uh because you're going so slow and so controlled and every footstep is is controlled and and and uh um just freezing like if you're in a situation and elk sees you and you have to freeze and you're holding your bow in your hand you don't realize how damn heavy that thing is and they don't have anywhere to go. And they'll just stand there. They have nothing to do other than not let whatever they're unsure about kill them. And their vision is based on edge detection, right?

I don't know. I think it's based on they see your movement. That's why camo works. Yeah. Because if you're standing there, they don't say, oh, there's a dude in camo. They see the pattern and they see the edges. As long as you don't move, they don't say, oh, there's a dude in camo. They see the pattern and they see the edges. As long as you don't move, they don't see anything funky. They definitely pick up movement. When they see movement with the edge detection, like moving edges,

like this edge is moving towards that edge, like what is that? But if you just stand still. But if you've got that bow in your hand, you're like, fuck, I can hold it like this. And you've got your bow out like this. And you're trying to hold it steady. Like you got maybe a minute, two minutes in you before that fucker starts to shake. And then the elk is like, whoop! And then, choom!

Yeah. And so you quickly realize when doing hunts like that what being in shape means. Yeah. Oh, dude, I learned. Like last year, I thought I was in pretty good shape until I went up there with you. And I was like, God, that one hill that we went up to to get the bull that we wind up getting, fuck, that was hard.

And to get up there and then the only good thing is I was in good enough shape that even though I was exhausted, I got my heart rate back quick. Yeah, it recovered. And then I could, it wasn't like I was beaten down once I got up there. Yeah, because you still have to, we had to get the wind right to get up the hill,

essentially what it was. And that recovery is all related to how good a shape you're in that thing that we had last year i mean i don't know if we ever played the clip but that moment that we had up there was one of the wildest elk hunting moments i don't know i haven't i haven't been elk hunting for that long that was the wildest thing i've ever experienced when you killed your bull there was how many bulls were up there like nine just screaming we'd pass some bulls but there was nine just on that one little hillside yeah it was like it's what i would call a rut fest yeah so there must have been some hot cows in there those bulls were coming in they can smell a hot cow which means the cow in estrus so she's ready to breed um ovulating i guess is what you'd

say if for human but uh so she was in estrus means she's a hot cow i mean those bulls are like okay i mean bulls kill each other yeah they kill each other all the time fighting well tell the story about the one bull that you shot that you thought was in its bed but was actually dead yes yeah no so i i uh i snuck up and i saw this bull and his head was i don't know i mean they get exhausted so it's they can lay their head down a little bit and rest i mean middle of the day they up all night rutting chasing fighting so i saw this bull bedded and it was a big bull and i'm like, God, I don't know. I mean, it's not moving, but I don't know. Might as well, we've got to make sure. So I took my boots off and I started sneaking in, sneaking in, sneaking in. And I got to about 20 some yards and I'm like,

I don't know, but I don't want to be wrong. So I shot the bull, never moved. And it was already dead. It'd been killed the night before. It took a tine in the neck, it looked like. Wow. And it was dead from fighting. Wow. Yeah. Now, if it got killed the night before, can you salvage the meat? I don't think so.

I mean, it didn't look good. Was it hot? It was a hot day? Yeah, it was hot. Yeah. That's a bummer. I know. I mean, that's life in the wild.

It is life in the wild. Yeah. I know. That's, I mean, that's life in the wild. It is life in the wild. Yeah. We stumbled across one that had been killed, had been poked in the side, but it had been quite a while ago, and it was rotten. It smelled terrible.

This one, I'm guessing it was the night before. It wasn't that long, but the meat had turned. You realize that, you know, those antlers on their head, that's not just for looks. No. That's their weapons of war no um this uh this kid wes on the last hunt that i just did in colorado he had some good footage of bulls fighting oh my god dude they're getting after it it's wild yeah yeah it's uh that's what makes it you know between that being um they're so aggressive then the sounds they make if people

haven't heard them if you hear a bull bugle at 20 or 30 yards you can't believe how loud that is then you couple that with the antlers and the size of them and their aggressive nature and they're coming you can hear them coming through the trees and shit's breaking and as a hunter you're sitting there and it's a lot to absorb you know it's like i saw somebody yesterday commented that they've been practicing at 20 yards on a target and it's so small compared to a bull elk it's like that must look like a house at 20 yards how could you miss and i'm like well people shoot over the back of bulls all the time at 20 yards because it's so intense yeah they just have never experienced

it yeah screaming alone it's like when you're near it yeah they sound like something from lord of the rings yeah yeah they're what an animal man they have everything going for them they do the looks the crazy antlers the delicious meat the crazy sounds they make the wild places that they live and the romantic but short life that they live yeah they live this wild crazy short life running away from mountain lions and bears and and wolves and and trying to get laid yeah and then fight another elk to the death with swords that grow out of your head sounds like the life i want to live no no i'd rather be the bow hunter oh sleep in a nice place and even if it's just a tent yeah someplace with a sleeping bag shelter i know yeah we'll get

up and do this again tomorrow drink out of a cooler meanwhile they're out there surviving all night never never lets up to me it's my uh one of my favorite parts of the year is just the reset of just experiencing the woods, the real wilderness. Yeah. Like where we're going in Utah and the mountains. What was that mountain range called? Is it the Unitas or Unitas or something like that? Whatever it is.

It's a gorgeous mountain range. it's it's a gorgeous mountain range yeah it's gorgeous and it's it's just it just reminds you you know of what life must have been like before human beings ever existed before they ever came to this part of the world and just walking around with those animals it just it's a reset it's a real reset yeah and every time i eat that meat i think about those those moments i know that connection and when we talk about it i mean it ad nauseum probably but that that feeling that yeah that's pretty yeah that's yeah you need a you need you into how you say it i don't know try it winter who is that a native american word winter i'm not sure who made that word up why they put those letters together like that i'm not sure but that is what it looks like

that's part of what it looks like yeah really looks like the um yeah like that right there that's that's super yeah that's super familiar to me yeah so gorgeous oh it's beautiful we'll hike if like we'll start where you see the beginning at the bottom of the screen and we'll go all the way to that far mountain range and you know if you're if you're out of shape yeah it's a rough go of it you're just gonna make take a lot of shortcuts like into your decision making and make a lot of poor decisions yeah and chances are you're not gonna i mean you can kill people kill all the time. I see it all the time.

Look, this guy killed and he doesn't run a marathon a day or whatever that people want No, you can get lucky. Yeah, you can. But if you're going to have sustained success for decades, multiple times a year, you're going to have to be at your best. Yeah. That's all there is to it. And I got to think that a guy like you who does ultra

marathons and all this crazy working out, there has to be something to what you're eating. There has to be. The fact that you're eating all this wild game is that your diet is like, how much of your diet is meat? Oh, probably I would say 40%. Just 40? Yeah, 40 to 50. What's the rest of it? Carbs like potatoes and rice and fruits and vegetables. Just think about how much wild game you consume and how much, how protein rich that is and how like that dark red meat that you get from the animals, like how good that is for you. It has to have some sort of an effect on your your physical abilities because one of the things that people always marvel at with you is like how the fuck does this guy do so many things like how do you have the time to get up in the morning i mean there's been many times you've run a marathon a day i know

people are hearing this oh this guy's full of shit no no no no a marathon a No, a marathon a day. You've run multiple marathons in a day. You've done days where you got up at 3 o'clock in the morning, more than one day, where you ran a marathon and then went to work. Yeah. Or you've run 18, 19 miles, went to work, and then finished the marathon off during your lunch break. And then you go lift weights. And then you shoot your bow, or you shoot your bow,

and then you lift weights. And it has to play a factor i know there's just overall endurance and discipline and the fact that you've just always given yourself this hard workload and your body's adapted to it i'm sure that has something to do with it yeah but the fact that you're not injured all the time and the fact that you have all this energy i gotta think that that wild game plays a big factor in all that. I would think, I mean, I eat wild game every day, every single day. And I know that has to help me recover. Um, but I, I think aside from that, I think we're as humans, we're capable of so many

amazing things. And it's like, I've, that's why the people who you've had on this podcast that I've been obsessed with connecting with because they're humans just like we are, but they Goggins, they do incredible. It's like, how can the same species of whatever? So humans, just like everybody else walking around here do such amazing things. And I try to, I want to connect. I

always want to connect with those people like Goggins, Courtney DeWalter, been running with Emma Coburn lately. She's a Olympic steeplechaser. She won the bronze at the last Olympic. I'm thinking she's going to win the gold at this Olympics this coming year. So I try to think, well, how, how can they do that? They're the same species we all are. There must be something. Courtney's the toughest person I've ever been around. I've been around some tough people. But her mental toughness is unlike anything you've ever seen.

It's weird, too. I've said. Because she seems so nice and normal. She is. But she's, yeah, she's, you know, couldn't get more, you couldn't find a more sweet person. But I've said this before where a dog will run itself to death. Yeah, I took that picture right there. What is this?

It says, we estimate I slept fewer than four hours during my 105 hours on the Colorado Trail. It's a combination of one minute trail naps and longer attempts in the rv and sometimes they happen by accident during a group sunrise photo weekend at bernie's anyway so she just passed out while she's doing this yeah less than ideal overall sleep time but during the later days the coughing and the wheezing preventing me from being able to fall asleep yeah so that game needs major work just explain this whole thing that she was trying to accomplish. Right.

Go to that one weekend of Bernie's. Yeah. So right here. So we stopped with the sun coming up to take a picture. And she'd been going for 105 hours, which I, what is that? Over four days and slept for four hours. So we stopped to take a picture and she fell asleep. I mean, just passed out.

But right after this picture, she's up running. So that other picture on the trail that I took with her and Maggie. A lot of people will look at this and they'll say, what kind of a human wants to do this? This was a three minute nap right here.

So it was going to be three minutes or maybe six minutes but something sun had just come up and incidentally i just seen a couple a big group of bucks in the dark about two hours earlier about i think three in the morning this is probably about five in the morning but i laid my pack on her legs there and my coats on her legs she's the closest one maggie's is the second one who maggie in her own right she won the uh it's called big's backyard ultra where they run four miles every hour for as long as you can do it get four miles on and she won it last year courtney the year before was a first woman anyway so these women are insane but they took uh three minute naps or a six minute

nap right here then back up and that's resets your body i mean it reset it's like a control alt delete so before this she courtney was like so exhausted from all this maggie would ask a question and she'd answer barely audibly two minutes later. And so it was me or Courtney, then me, then Maggie. And Maggie would say something to Courtney, nothing. Two minutes later, she'd like, I could barely hear it. She'd answer whatever Maggie said, because her brain was like, they said her blood or her oxygen level in her brain was at 70% which

that was because of the coughing and lung issues and the high altitude and the dust and everything so it just her brain wasn't working let's explain what she was trying to do yeah she was okay she was trying to the fastest known time to run the entire Colorado Trail from Durango to Denver is eight days and something like two hours. I think she wanted to beat that by a day. So she was trying to run 490 miles from Durango to Denver with 90,000 feet of elevation gain total in seven days. And, uh, to do that, I mean, it's a, you can't sleep is, I don't know. I don't know what the perfect answer is. She, uh, she was about 22 hours, I think at, at one point in ahead of the record, but she ended up in the emergency room just because her her she pushed so hard what

i was going to say is animals will push look how fucked up she looks yeah she looks so tired yeah look at her eyes i know she just looks exhausted yeah so that her pulse oxygen was 70 which it's supposed to be in the 90s and if it's at 80 or 85 they say go immediately to the emergency room to the doctor and hers is at 70 so her brain just wasn't getting enough oxygen and the doctor i believe the doctor said that because they said well what what would happen if she keeps pushing and he he said well she'll die on the trail Well, that's the problem with someone who's that tough. Yeah. That's what I was going to say.

They literally could push themselves to the point where their heart stops. And animals do that. We know that. A dog will push itself. A horse will push itself so hard that they will die. Not my dog. No, your dog will. I throw a ball from four or five times in a row, and he drops the ball and lays down.

He's like, bro, we're done. Yeah. Right. Right. So some dogs. Yeah. like cashwood he's a lab and all he wants to do he'll do that right so and horses do that horses die a lot or not a lot but horses die from pushing so most humans have that self-preservation mode where i mean most humans that like the hint of discomfort yes i'm out yeah so but courtney has that where um i don't know well goals are interesting because goals are what force you to pass your comfort zone and go into this crazy level where you realize you're you're only tapping

into a very small percentage of what your body's capable of like even goggins what is his quote that most people quit at 40 40 yeah i think he's 100 accurate there yeah i don't know i'm throwing percentages around here 40 it sounds good but i mean anybody knows he knows right but there's there's a thing that you do when you tap into, like when you have a goal, when you say, I'm going to run 10 miles a day and I'm going to keep doing it. My friend Lex Friedman, the scientist, the MIT guy, he was on the podcast last week. One of the things that he was talking about was he did this challenge where he ran, was it four miles every four hours for that was he did two challenges

yeah that was the first one he did right earlier in the year before it was four hours four miles every four hours for 48 hours yeah or 48 miles whatever and just talking about it i think goggins yeah goggins set that up yeah yeah yeah him. Yeah. Him and Goggins are friends. Yeah. Okay. And then there was some crazy push-up, sit-up, pull-up challenge that they did as well. And Goggins said, whatever you do, I'm going to do double. Yeah. Which is just a nice little mind fuck when you're falling apart and you realize that Goggins is doing twice what you're doing. But-

I love him. There's something about a goal like that where you set it in motion and you realize you have to do it, where it forces you out of your comfort zone it forces you to realize what your body is actually capable of which most people just never do that's one of the great things about making someone compete like that's a great thing about

training for a marathon or getting ready to do something is like when you have a goal and then you actually and then you're committed to the thing and you actually have to go and do it then and only then do you often find out what your body's actually capable yeah yeah and still even even during that goal or that performance it's uh it's really hard to push i mean push and give all you got i remember my kids i would say so did you give all you got. I remember my kids, I would say, I said, did you give all you got? Yeah. Well, I didn't see, you weren't throwing up. You didn't throw up at the end. You know, it's like when you

push, I don't even, I mean, it's not like I'm, I can say I do that every time either, but it's like who really pushes with all they got? Well, and what is that line? Like what's after that line? Do you die? i don't know and would you be happy if you pushed so hard that you died like well this is a good way to die well no but then you know you gave your all that's but but isn't that so that's what fascinates me with these people with with the goggins and courtney and and uh um you know also in some respects emma is like put is like performing at this level. And it's just incredible to me.

It's like, so I want to know how can I take whatever mindset they have, apply it to myself and what I do. So that's all I've tried to do is like, I, and I've said a million times, I'm definitely not talented. I spend time around people who are the best at what they do and hoping a little bit I can pick up a little bit, get that mindset like Goggins flips that switch. Courtney just has no switch.

It's just how she is. What is talent? I want to know what that is. When you say you're not talented, because you're obviously very successful both as a bowhunter. You're probably, I mean, if there's three top bow hunters on the planet earth you're in that top i don't know how many people are the the best bow hunters

on earth but in my mind you're you're in that group what is talent like if you're that good at bow hunting and i've seen you shoot targets 150 yards away and shoot balloons i mean you seem to do some ridiculous shit you're obviously incredibly talented with a bow. Like what is talent? What does that mean to you when you say I'm not talented? To me, I always equate talent to physical, like performance, like say running a hundred meters or Like a freak athlete. Yeah. I equate talent to athleticism. Right. Like a Mike Tyson or a Polo Costa. Yeah.

Just freak athlete. Or runners. I mean, runners. You've seen Bolt. We've been running since the beginning of time. If you're one of the fastest humans to ever run. You have to be talented. Yeah, that's talent.

Yeah, there's things that people get that you are never going to get right there's there's a certain amount of speed people can generate a certain amount of power people can generate there's things that people can do but the kind of things that you're doing it's not required it just requires mental strength you're you're doing endurance runs or these long ass mind torture runs they don't require that sprinting they just require that ability to keep going when you don't want to keep going right ability to maintain a pace that's painful right yeah and it's and I've I've been I was talking to the because after my hunt in Colorado I went and ran with Courtney we did a 14 000 foot Peak and then I ran with Emma the next day and two totally different athletes

Courtney's you know the the eight seven days crazy Emma's the three thousand meters and I was talking to them both about pain because Courtney's pain isn't as intense but it's for a long time a week you know or days Emma's pain so for she wants to break nine minutes in the steeplechase she never has 902s is her best i believe and uh she'll have to break nine minutes probably to win the gold medal it's a steeplechase that's 3 000 meters and it has the barrier like the water barrier so you jump over jump over barriers, and then there's a water barrier too. Have you ever seen them jump over? I don't think I've ever seen a steeplechase.

Look up. Here it is. This is it right here? Yeah, that's her. Oh, wow. So you jump over water. Damn, look how much air she gets. Yeah.

That's crazy. Yeah, so that's her. So she has nine minutes, and you can see her like there's a good video of her winning the world championships emma coburn world championship so this steeplechase thing the water you have to jump over the water what if you land in the water they land in the water that's okay yeah just slows you down um they can't really clear that water so they plan on on running and landing in the water what a weird thing to have a puddle in your run yeah weird yeah so so see so that's right and she's she's taller than like those uh um the other girls they're usually from ethiopia or kenya

um what a weird event you make them jump over a fence into a pond yeah that's so bizarre i never knew this existed how do i go this long here's another one yeah so they some don't have the water like just have that barrier there i think there's four per lap how many people eat shit jumping over that barrier where'd she go oh look at her front, I think. Oh. Look at her. Yeah. Hustle. Oh, I know. Look at them legs. Damn. She's got some length. She can. So anyway, so she's got nine minutes of pain.

And I was asking her about, because there's always a decision. Like, I watched her run this mile race. And she was kind of in back with about a lap to go. And there's always that decision. Like, do I want to go now and have it hurt really bad or just kind of, ah, it wasn't my day? Like, how do you decide to deal with that pain? And so that's what I was asking her about

because that's what fascinates me. And what'd she say? So there she did it in 919. So she's got it down to 902. Yeah, 902 is her best now god damn i know look at all those ladies are beating down at the end of that that looks so exhausting so painful yeah so she's from this little town crested butte in colorado and that's where i went and ran with her and it's um that's ten thousand nine thousand feet what was her um her answer to that to to like the pain deciding she's just so she

like her her brain is so focused in on that time that nine minutes where it's just like and so it's just she knows that if she pushes now it's only going to last this amount of time you know it's just this is what she's got to do. This is how it works. She's been doing it her whole life. And so it was just pushed through. So like, if she's so regimented on time from doing track her whole life, she'll like say, well, can you meet me at 10 and then we can get coffee and till about 10, 20, and then we'll go, we should be able to get to the mountain by about 10 30 and then we can run. We should be able to get to the mountain by about 10.30, and then we can run and we should be done.

I mean, like everything is like so regimented because her brain works like that. So when she thinks about that pain, I think she just knows that it's going to be a certain amount of time, and then it's going to be over, and this is what she does. So it's different than, say, a Courtney, who's not going to, it won't be as intense

because you don't want sprinting when you're exhausted. It just hurts. Right. It's so easy to be like, that's what I was asking her about. Because when I watched her run the mile, that's not her event. Her event is 3000 meters, which is more than a mile. So I said, you could easily said, well, this isn't my event. Um, you know, you've made that decision whether to go and pass all these other girls and win, or just be like, it wasn't

my night. This isn't my event, whatever. And just a little bit less. Oh, just so this decision on should I go or should I stay right here where it's comfortable? This feels good. I mean, it's still hard. It's still an effort, but it's not the pain like going. You can see her go. Right. When you make this decision.

Oh, she almost went right there but didn't. See that? So when you make that decision, oh, I think this is a world championships. Yeah, this was that race we just watched, but this is the full race. So you hang back knowing. That's what it said. No, no. No, no.

That was 2014. So watch this. She passes right here. This is a world championships. Going over this water, that girl in the middle didn't go over good. Emma did. And right here, so she's turning it on. But now the finish line is

there but see how controlled and like fluid she is and this is so fast god damn and so she went on that crazy run with you and courtney as well no no no no what was she doing they're two different athletes um no she didn't run that like she was sleeping up there with you guys right no no no crash no that was maggie oh maggie yeah yeah she's she's that ultra this is emma cobra emma emma maggie those are such white girl names i just conflate them all together in my head yeah no emma lives in crested butte so i went i met courtney and ledville and that's um we ran mount sherman which is 14,000 feet. So I met her at four in the afternoon,

Courtney and her husband, Kevin. And we did this big 11 mile loop and we did a 14,000 foot peak. And then I stayed there at their house. And then the next morning I got up and drove and met Emma in in crested butte which is another small town in colorado and it's high altitude and that's where that's where emma grew up and her parents live and so i met her there the next day and we ran i don't know shorter

distance but she runs so much faster you know five miles or whatever but for me running five miles at 10 000 feet with her at that pace it's like i mean she's got some length too oh yeah how tall is she uh i would say five seven but her long her legs are so long yeah yeah and she's running she's she got that crazy long stride yeah and running she's run trails there at 10,000 feet or 9,000 feet and it's just like that training and to go over those barriers you have to be athletic yeah like it's a different explosive she's more athletic than say the girls from Kenya right smaller they but they live Kenya's high elevation too so but if Emma lives at that same elevation,

has the same talent. Fastest mile ever run in Colorado soil running 432.7. Damn, Emma. That's the one I watched. That's where I said she was in. Yeah, she was at the back. And then I said that decision you made to turn it on

no that's not it oh just a slow motion version of it oh yeah i think this yeah this was a couple years ago that she just she just broke that outside oh so this is the indoor version of it and then she broke yeah yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so I just was interested in how, how that decision is made. Now, what, when you talk to her about her training, how much of her training is just running and how much of her training is like strength and conditioning? Does she do plyometrics? Does she, cause she's got to not just run, she's got to jump over things. Yeah. She, she runs every day. Usually I think she runs about 70 or 80 miles a week when she's training. And so it'll be about 10 miles a day, split up a couple times,

and then she'll lift, I believe, three times a week. And so we lift it together too. And it's just, you know, yeah, she's strong, definitely strong. Oh, you have to be. Yeah. You could see it in her legs, like in the fact that she's able to get over those hurdles while she's in the middle of this crazy run yeah yeah well a 430 mile fast there's something also

so crazy about your goal in life like what you do the thing that you concentrate on the most is your physical body like you're banking on this you're banking on your tissue who is humans yeah any human that does that yeah whether you're a fighter or a baseball player or a runner there's something crazy about banking on your body you know like i always when i look at professional athletes in particular i'm always like oh like boy anything can go wrong like and then it takes forever to fix it's not like you blow out a tire you go to the car shop and you know you go to the tire place you get a new tire yeah that's blow out a knee that's been the only secret to any success i've had is that longevity yeah because there's a lot of people who've been better than me

for short spans but if you can just keep doing it keep grinding keep grinding keep hammering i don't care what it is you're gonna get good yeah that is the case what how do you how do you avoid injuries because you train so much i don't i mean i get massage and um you do those normatech boots still yeah i got those yeah thank you i sent you those you sent those to me those things the shit yeah the uh hypervolt the hammer with the ball on it. Massage. Yeah. Do that with Eric comes over about three times a week. You know, you trained with Eric too.

And goes through, breaks down my hamstrings and calves and hips especially. Dude, I had a lady that was giving me a massage, and I had a Theragun, and I wound up just having her just use the theragun like she was giving me a massage it was great and everything but there was this like one spot my back and i was like just try this for a second and that worked yeah man like half the massage session was just her jackhammering me just working me with that and it was more effective than anything because you could do something with those things where you can push all the weight in like a massage but it's doing something that you're not going to be able to do

with your hands right there's a girl who does my massager name's aaron she is so amazing i mean i can say something that's bothering me she can go like feel my leg go right to it and just feel it she just knows where the knots are and then she'll do something else on some other side or some other place. And it's like, I've never, I've had a lot of massages. Definitely. There's just like we say,

there's levels to everything. She's amazing. I mean, some people just understand bodies. They're intuitive. Like they know where you're tight. We have strain. Like,

did you pull your hamstring? Did you do this? Yeah. Like, do you have something going on with your back like what do you mean this side is tight so it's probably you're probably compensating for something's on the other side then yeah yeah so that I mean the only way you're gonna over you know 10 20 30 years to continue to do it is for maintenance yeah is taking care of your body you say it is tissue it is muscle it is have joints and ligaments.

If something happens with those, you're training. You've never even had any operations, have you? That's bananas. No. I've had a bunch. I'm amazed. Well. How are your knees okay?

That's the other thing. How the fuck are your knees okay? I don't know. People ask me that all the time. I was like, how do you answer that? I mean, have you gotten an MRI? You don't have any meniscus problems? No.

That's bananas. No, I mean, it's- You're my age. Yeah. You've been running forever. You don't have any meniscus. I have all fucked up meniscus. But you also did a sport that was hard on your knees.

Yeah. Right. But running isn't? You know, everybody's different. Yeah. I mean's maybe i have good genetics yeah you obviously must yeah yeah i was pretty good with my right knee until like i heard it in a kicking contest with joe schilling i tore uh my meniscus like a year ago like a moron at the old studio yeah kicking that thing the machine we had the registers how hard you can yeah

you did it then with with jeans on i remember seeing the video yeah nowhere on 52 years old slamming into that thing a full clip as hard as i can yeah but that that's a problem when something shows you a number yeah oh i know it's a measurable and you just wind up it's a measurable to wind up like that if i was coaching someone i'd say stop you got to warm up let's immeasurable. But to wind up like that, if I was coaching someone, I'd say, stop. You got to warm up. Let's jump rope. Let's get a sweat.

Let's get going. Stretch out a little bit. Let's start slow. Like when I work out on a normal day, I don't just walk up to a heavy bag and full blast, start kicking it. I build up. But you can't have a contest with Joe Schilling

and say, hold on, let me warm up first. Exactly. He's too much of a hard man We had to step up Yeah and tear your knee Yeah my knee's still fucked up I mean it's not fucked up to the point where I can't do things Like I can still kick I can still run

I can still do all those things But I feel it Where I didn't used to feel it before But that's why I'm amazed that you don't have any of these kind of injuries No I don't know you had a i remember you had a fucked up foot at one point in time oh i i have a i mean i there's injuries there's being hurt and being injured you know i heard all the time i heard every day

but i haven't been injured yeah that's the difference yeah i mean's, I don't know. Are you taking CBD at all? Yeah, sometimes. Dude, I was getting arthritis in my toes. Yeah. And did it help? My big toes. My big toes, like at the joint where my foot meets my big toe. It was very annoying. Yeah.

And it's from kicking, you know, just from, because you're always like pushing off. Oh, right. Yeah. Pushing off. Yeah. And my toes just got so tired of me doing that and they were getting sore and then uh i started doubling and tripling down on cbd particularly like cbd gummies that's my new trick because it's it's like i'm

eating candy oh those uh cbd md gummies are like 1500 milligrams i just chuck like fucking 10 of them down at a time do they have the thc in them no none zero zero high at all but it killed it like whatever like i was like god damn it am i gonna have to get so i was thinking i was gonna have to get prp or something done to my my big toe and that helped it killed it i don't have any problem at all now it's whatever it was it was gone away dave foley told me the same thing dave foley told me he was getting serious arthritis in his hands where his hands were like this he couldn't open up his fingers started taking cbd on a daily basis and then now his hands are fully functional like whatever it was he stopped in his tracks it's just inflammation yeah right hmm yeah i saw well when trump and Biden get here, you're going to do the DMT question, right?

Oh, well, I'm going to get up high first. Both of them are going to get high. We're going to do mushrooms. I'm going to bring in a shaman. There was that Babylon Bee that I showed you today. They did have a thing that said, like, Trump was on here for an epic seven-hour interview with Rogan and said said had the best marijuana possibly he's ever had it was like tremendous or you know how trump has these same but yeah it's so funny amazing amazing pot can you imagine getting that guy high i don't he doesn't even drink no does he i don't think so this is it yeah see that's the picture that's a great picture. It is. But what was the caption, Jamie? Can you find that? What did it say? Oh, my God.

It's hilarious. Yeah. It's a lively seven-hour interview with Joe Rogan. Imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine how many votes he would win if he did that. Well, I bet a lot.

I bet he'd lose a lot, too. Yeah. He'd be like, what is happening? You need some more of that? I'll have a... I don't know. Want some more coffee? There might be a little bit. We can get some more. that i'll have uh i don't know what's more coffee there might be a little bit we can get some more okay put the order in um yeah that guy he's not he's not taking anything but perhaps a few uppers to help with speeches you see with the the biden

thing he um trump said he wanted to do a drug test before debates really Really? Yeah. No. What does he think Biden's on? Oh, they got him hopped up on something. Really? Yeah. If you're that tired, I guarantee you they're doing something with him. Him talking, oh my God, it's painful. I mean, it's like I feel embarrassed. Yeah, it's sad.

It's sad. And then there's the tremendous pressure that's involved in that job. Yeah. I couldn't imagine. No. I mean,'s involved in that job. Yeah. I couldn't imagine. I mean, not being at your best. That's what I've always, I mean, I've always been, I just don't get how there's these people have been in politics for 50 years. And I'm like, okay, good job. Thank you.

You did it. You served whoever. But isn't there somebody better? I mean, smarter, younger, more energized? Why do we have these 80-year-old guys? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. I mean, there's got to be people who are just on the top of their game.

You can't be at the top of your game when you're 80. You got to wonder what it is with the powers that be that decided to go with him did they think that he's a known a known name a former vice president so that that brings them to but there was obviously some shenanigans because they were really worried about bernie sanders taking the nomination they were really worried that he was gonna enact some radical change to the democratic party and they were not looking forward to that at all. So, you know, they stepped in, got Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar and all those other people to back out, to back down. And then all the delegates went to Biden.

And then Biden winds up being the guy. And you almost feel bad for the guy. Yeah. I mean, that can't be our best option for running. I mean, so whoever wins, you want to feel confident. Yeah. And I know people on the other side of where I am don't feel confident in Trump. I think they're banking on Harris.

They're banking on people saying, well, she's young and healthy. She'll take over. She is young. I mean, so it goes to that point of being young and energetic. But yeah, I mean, she's kept a lot of people in jail yeah i i don't know i i man politics what a mess it's gross it's gross and i don't know what the best way to do it is you know i think our founding fathers had some pretty brilliant ideas how were they so dialed in so long ago it's amazing to know they write this constitution not

to protect not to protect the government from the people that people from the government from from overstepping how did they know i mean maybe because it was the king and queen and yeah i think they saw just i mean people had an understanding of psychology back then of just human beings and just the natural tendency of people to abuse power and to abuse influence and i think they just came out with a really brilliant way to sort of have checks and balances to keep that from getting completely out of hand yeah it's amazing it really is amazing if you stop and think about that you know and how old does um there's this um young man madison cawthorne he has i think he's like the i don't know i can't remember what seat he won but one of the youngest ever

win an election i think it's in north carolina but he mentioned something about the age of um man who was jefferson yeah like how old were they well people didn't live that long i know but they got like toothaches died right wasn't were they in their 20s i wonder let's let's uh google how old was thomas jefferson when he uh drafted the declaration of independence how old do you think it's close to 40 i believe close to 40 still pretty amazing yeah or maybe you know maybe what if you go back and you actually look at him he looks exactly like jared kushner wait everybody does it's him wait one second uh an age in 1776 thomas jefferson was 33. wow so young and smart Been fucking smart as shit. Yeah. I mean, I think some of those guys were in their 20s. 40, 53, 46, 39, 35, 70 years old.

Who's 70? 65, Benjamin Franklin. Wow. Holy shit. He had to be eating wild game meat. Yeah, for sure. He's a 30-year-old. Well, he got electrocuted a bunch of times, right?

26. He had a kite. He was a 26-year-old lawyer. Who was 26? Jared Kushner. Thomas Lynch Jr. from South Carolina. Okay, see? of times right 26 26 year old lawyer who was 26 jared kushner thomas lynch jr from south carolina okay see i mean three years later he died three years yeah the stress of coming up with that fucking information a 26 year old from south carolina lawyer plantation owner no he had

covid no edward rutledge wow well no they're counting his death as COVID guaranteed. Yeah, it is really amazing at how smart they were. Yeah. But, you know, when you read like letters from like the Civil War era, if you read letters back home, like the way people wrote back then was so eloquent. Yeah. At least the ones that you, obviously, there's probably probably morons that wrote some fucking scribbles too yeah but there were there were some letters that were written back then where the prose is so it's so elegant it's so well written so so beautifully crafted these these letters that they would write i know you get to read them you go well what what has happened between then and now i'd like to get letters like that i mean that would be you'd feel

special if you had a letter like that god i know the way they communicated back then was just different do you think people would have spiced up how they wrote just in case someone didn't know it wasn't going to be personal correspondence they want wouldn't want people to think they're dumb so they added some they'd like but the problem is when a dummy writes things and tries to make them seem smart have you ever gotten an email from someone that's dumb that tries to be smart just would have someone else write it for them back then like hey i can't write this but write a letter to my girlfriend make it sound good yeah tell her i miss her send it off perhaps i'm just wondering because people do that now yeah yeah they do they have ghostwriters done it back then

they're a little more we're a little more diabolical now, though. I wonder if there was a market for ghost writers back then, for letters back home. Had to be, because there's only so many people that could write. I don't know about that. I don't know. I'm just saying. I don't know about that.

Or even the access to the tools to write. But a quill. A feather. To make it look good. I wonder. Paper. I don't know. Just wondering.

Yeah, I mean yeah i think people were it was a harder time and during harder times people are more disciplined and people that are more disciplined probably are more they're harder on their children about learning and grades this probably wasn't so flippant because it's like the consequences of not succeeding in life back then were literal starvation it was a different time and i think when you you have those consequences you have you develop stronger people you develop people with they just they don't have any room for error there's no you know you can't you can't fuck off no you won't make it no i know it's uh yeah pretty amazing to think that

we're still going by the doctrine they came up with. Amazing. And it's the best one we have. No one's come up with a better doctrine. Where is your pocket? Didn't Tim Kennedy give you a pocket? It's at home. I have it framed.

You don't have it with you? No. What, it's in my pocket? It's going to get dumb on it and shit? You need to reference it. It'll get scratched up. A pen will leak on it. I can't have that.

Okay. I needed it at home. I thought that was a good gift and gave you a gun that's cool yeah jamie's been shooting everybody that's all he does now well that's what people with guns do that's what i've been hearing this is joe biden's gonna put a stop to that oh my god well i was watching some video where he was talking about making um gun manufacturers responsible for shootings it was the weirdest analogy that he was drawing. And then he went on and erroneously said that guns kill 150 million people a year.

And I was like, what? Or 150 million people since a certain amount of time. That doesn't make any sense at all. But the thing that he was saying was that imagine if drug companies weren't responsible for people dying of drugs. Well, hey, Joe, they're not. Yeah. I don't know if you know that. But they're not.

I mean, do you know how many people die every year from drug overdoses? I don't. How many? A lot. How many people are going to jail for that? Is there any? Are these drug companies really responsible for that? Are they really being held accountable?

Yeah. I don't think they are. Not the companies. Occasionally. Maybe the street dealers going to jail yeah well occasionally drug companies get in trouble you know like for opioid deaths and or for misrepresenting the dangers of the addictions to opioids or some of their drugs that's true sometimes they get fined yeah and they get in trouble but what he was saying was

really weird it's like people say things just because they think that people want to hear solutions like hey there's all these guns and shooting someone better do something you know and then someone will come along and say something like that like guns are responsible for 150 million people every year and here's what i'm going to do yeah yeah yeah i know do you remember when he got got confronted by that guy at a, at a auto factory? Yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah.

And the guy was like, you're trying to take away guns. Did he cuss him out? You're full of shit. Yeah, he cussed him out. He got old grandpa on him. Well, that's a problem with, with, you know, how, so when you get old, you know, I'm not, I don't want to talk shit about old people, but you can't think you're just not at your best.

So what happens what i see and maybe he has dementia maybe not but those guys get they're cranky they get mad they can't think of what they want to say fast enough so instead they just get mad yeah and that's what it seems like he does yeah he like lashes out and comes up you're full of shit yeah well i think you dog face pony soldier did you see that one that was a good one too what is i don't even know what that is. You're a lion dog face pony soldier. That's a great thing to say to someone.

It's the first time I've ever heard it. It should be a good band. Yeah. Dog Face Pony Soldier. That would be a good band. Good name for a band. Like a weird funk band. Yeah.

Dog Face Pony Soldier. I like it. Yeah, I could see them in Coachella. Yeah. It's a thing that uh you know what you know when he's when he gets mad like that too it's almost like it's a it's a tough guy thing too it's like he's around all these hard men that are working in the factory and he's like they're full of shit i'll show you guys i'm a fucking man it reminded me of uh floyd mayweather

and he knocked out victor ortiz when they were kissing or whatever they did. But Jim Gray. Kissing. Well, remember? Victor Ortiz headbutted him. I know, but then they made up. No, Victor Ortiz went to make up with Floyd Mayweather. They did.

Floyd Mayweather was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, boom. Yeah, but it wasn't Jim Gray. It was an older, God, what's his name? Larry Merchant? Yes, Larry Merchant. And Larry Merchant said that if he was 50 years younger, he'd kick Floyd's ass. Oh, I remember that.

Yeah. I was like, okay. No, you wouldn't have. No, you wouldn't have. But it reminded me of he got mad and then he was just going to kick his ass. But what a crazy thing to say to literally one of the greatest boxers that's ever put on gloves. Yeah.

I mean, you can make an argument who the greatest boxer of all time is, but you better have Floyd Mayweather in that argument. He's going to be in there. He's in that argument. And probably if you're holding a microphone, you probably weren't ever going to kick his ass.

No. What's up with the Mayweather fighting Logan Paul? You've seen this, I'm sure. Yes, yes. Well, Logan Paul wants to make some money. I got Logan Paul in that fight. Well, one thing I will tell you, Logan Paul is a really good athlete,

and he's an enormous man. Now, if it was an MMA fight, I would pick Logan Paul. Listen to me. There's a video of Logan Paul wrestling with Paulo Costa. It's a real live wrestling sparring session where he is exhibiting real skill. He knows how to scramble.

He's got real wrestling skill. He wrestled in high school. I think he wrestled in college as well. Oh, did he? Okay. No, didn't. Just in high school. But he was good though, right?

Did he go to college? He went to OU. He didn't wrestle? The biggest party school in the country. He just partied? But he was good though, right? Did he go to college? He went to OU. He didn't wrestle? The biggest party school in the country. Just partied? So he's from Ohio, right? That's why you know Ohio. That's why I know, yeah.

He knows everything about Ohio. How good was he in high school? I remember hearing, I don't know if he won state, but I'll check that real quick. Either way, him with Paulo Costa. Paulo is the UFC's number one contender in the middleweight division. And the most beautiful man in the UFC. Perfect specimen of a man.

And a wrecking machine. Just a fucking wrecking machine. And the two of those guys, they're doing a wrestling drill and sparring. And Logan Paul is hanging in there, man, with an elite MMA, you know, world championship caliber fighter. A guy who like went to war with Yoel Romero and walked him down. Right.

I mean, Paulo Costa is a monster. Yeah. He's a monster. And Logan Paul is hanging in there. Yeah. And I don't care what anybody says. Like what I saw in that, I'm like, that kid is impressive.

Yeah. No, he's got to be 6'1". No, he might actually did, let's see, he joined the wrestling team, this says Ohio State and Athens, that i'm like that kid is impressive no he's got to be six one he might actually did let's see one he joined the wrestling team this says ohio state and athens which is not just ou so he might have joined the team i don't know if he i don't know if he had a record if he performed with them or if he just okay so he did a little bit of wrestling in college but he wrestled in high school as well yeah either way he's a big dude he's a big dude and he's a real athlete and one of the things that

i saw you know i know he lost his boxing match. They had a draw the first time, then he lost the second time. But when I'm seeing him throw punches, he's very athletic. He throws punches with good technique. But obviously the other kid that he boxed with did as well. But there's such a difference between that and Floyd Mayweather. In a boxing match, it's going to be hilarious. The only thing is that Floyd is so much smaller than him.

Yeah, he's got to be, compared to Logan, tiny. That's why I say I got the one- Logan's a big guy. I got the one punch Logan KO. Oh my God, that's so hilarious. Could you imagine if he did? Could you imagine if he clips Floyd Mayweather in a temple and you see Floyd Mayweather doing a chicken dance?

Imagine what the crowd would do. Imagine what anybody would do. Would be a crowd. Yeah. But I mean. I wonder when they're going to be able to have it. Let's do it in China or some shit. Yeah.

Fuck it. I don't know. I'm just pretty impressed with how Logan Paul has, for a young kid, has made so much money. Yeah. Just talking a lot of shit. And turn these these opportunities to flight fight floyd what i know but the thing about it is like who's gonna sanction that the weight classes are so different yeah floyd is 50 pounds different it could be 50 pounds plus

yeah it could be more i don't i don't think't think Floyd walks around at more than 155 pounds. Probably not. Maybe 160 at the most. Yeah. You know? And when he's in shape, you know? Yeah. Less than that probably.

But here's the crazy thing. I'll watch the shit out of that. I'll watch the shit out of it too. I mean, everybody will. We were talking about Mike Tyson versus Roy Jones Jr. Yeah. Like a lot of people are like, what are we doing? What is happening here?

Yeah. I like the fact that they decided not to do it September 12th, so it already would have happened. Yeah. They decided to extend it deep into November, give everybody a chance to really train and ramp up the promotion and let everybody know. And it's more and more exciting every day.

Roy Jones Jr. is posting some shit on his Instagram. Yeah. Dude, he's still got some hand speed. Yeah. See if you can find that. And he's coming in here soon. See if you can find... I was looking for Logan Paul Wrestling Coast

and all I'm finding them is like play sparring. Yeah, there's a little bit of boxing play sparring, but there's a bunch of wrestling scrambling in there that's really impressive. Not in the video I saw. Well, I'm telling you it's real. I know, I i know i know i'm looking you have to do another retraction i might have to look like i might have to i apologize i lied about logan paul wrestling just doing it in advance that that fight for everything yeah just in case that fight is

going to be one of the most ridiculous things ever though if you can get a youtube star to to box the literal best boxer of all time never lost yeah 50 no so yeah but back it up before that yeah let them let them scramble the jujitsu train okay so this is just jujitsu training they're uh they're rolling around the mat but they do some uh scrambles see i don't know how much uh logan has trained you but watch oh watch the wrestling watch this though seriously the kid can wrestle like come on they're not showing it what kind of horse shit is this is this uh because they want them to look good they won't i don't know oh god damn it I know it's there. Hey, what about the full... Oh, no.

What do we got? Come on. Show me some shit. That's it? Yeah. Hmm. Well, it exists. It's somewhere.

Hmm. So they did a lot of sparring, like boxing sparring for sure. Yeah. This is just showing. Let it go right here. Let's see what happens here. Come on, Logan.

Show me some wrestling, bro. It's amazing that Paul Carlson can make 185 pounds. That's what's amazing. The dude walks around at 230 and he's a tank. I mean, he could be a heavyweight. 230? Yeah, yeah, yeah. At least there. Close. Yeah. He could be a heavyweight. 230? It's going to be close to the same weight class, I would guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

At least there. Close. Similar. Is he 6'2"? I swear it's real. I swear it's not like the Antifa guys lighting fires in Portland. It's real. They did the getting arrested part.

Maybe I'll find it. Yeah. No, I don't want to do that. There's videos of him wrestling from high school. Oh, no. There's no videos of him wrestling Paulo Costa. school but oh no he's there's no videos of him wrestling Paulo Costa

that video right there was the best I could find I'm looking at it harder son of a bitch Jamie come on Jamie's punishing me for the Portland thing I'm not

there's this video of him saying it's getting knocked out but that was 100% staged yeah that's 100% fake yeah well

he's smart he's getting a lot of attention I just think he's gonna be whiff. Well, he's smart. He's getting a lot of attention. I just think he's going to be whiffing at air. Oh, yeah. How would you ever hit Floyd? But if that one connects, that's what I got my money on. That would be so bananas. I know.

Imagine if Floyd goes 50-1. Because Logan's jacked, dude. Because he gets KO'd by Logan Paul. He's jacked. I mean, he works out hard. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Super nice kid, too. He's jacked. I mean, he works out hard. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Super nice kid, too.

He's training with Shannon the Cannon Briggs. Is he? Shannon the Cannon, at least he was before that last fight that he did. Yeah. Shannon the Cannon was training with him. Yeah. Wow. And he hunts, so that's good.

Does he? Yeah. Where does he hunt? He hunted in Ohio before. What did he hunt? Like white tail? Deer, yeah. Oh, no kidding.

Yeah. he hunt he hunted in ohio before what do you like white deer yeah oh no yeah his dad um because i went did his podcast took him a bow and and we shot and yeah i mean people got upset that you did his podcast hunters yeah well that's weird uh the hunting industry is uh that's weird first of all for a lot of people that there's a hunting industry? There is. Because that's what social media has done. It's created like an industry. That's why I'm here. Him and his brother, and I think the dad, sharing hunting stories. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Interesting. You can find that, but you can't find the fucking wrestling footage. Yeah. I see. I see. It's not. Oh, I see.

That's not how it works. I get it. Yeah. Well, who's going to win Tyson Jones? I do not want to say because I do not know. Tyson. See if you can find Roy Jones Jr. training footage. And then.

Just put up some new stuff. I think yesterday or the day before, that's pretty legit. And then you know what we're going to get? What? We're going to get Tyson, Logan Paul. Oh, my God. That would be a murder scene. Three days ago, I think.

He's still got hand speed. Yeah. But he's still got that same style, like hands down. Yeah. Look, dude, he looks fast as fuck, though. Yeah, he does. Yeah. I mean, I wonder what he's going to weigh.

I mean, God damn, dude damn dude yeah his hand speed is phenomenal yeah that's always his thing has been speed right not just hand speed but foot speed as well roy has always been uh he's had he had a weird style when he was young which is one of the reasons why when he slowed down it was very difficult for him to be successful because roy would instead of jab people he would leap in with a left hook. Yeah. He had a crazy left hook. Like a hook, kind of like a weird hook.

Yeah. And he used that in lieu of a jab sometimes, like a lot of times. And he did crazy shit, like put his hands behind his back and then knock people out. He was so good when he was young. People, like that song he made,'all must have forgot yeah a lot of people did forget yeah i remember man when i was a you know younger man and roy jones jr was in his prime you would just see who's getting executed this week yeah you know and he one time he had

a fight the day he had a full basketball game so he had a full basketball game played like he played like a semi-pro basketball and then after the basketball game had a fight wow and won the fight people like this is disrespectful like this is the roy jones jr highlight i mean come on son he was so fast look at this that fight with vinnie pazienza that was the only fight that compu box ever scored where there was no punches landed on Roy for an entire round. Really? Yeah.

He had a weird body, man. God, look at that. Incredible. But look how weird his body is. He has enormous biceps. His biceps were huge, but he didn't have big triceps. He had a really unusual build. Look at his biceps.

Bro, his biceps are his biceps are bananas they're bananas and he had just preposterous speed and timing and confidence that would hurt so bad right there oh yeah look at this guy oh he lit people on fire and pissed on their graves yeah it was on uh just incredible that would be you know how terrible it would be to fight somebody like that? Oh, man. Well, in his prime, he was so much better than everybody he was fighting. It was just this weird. And people were like, oh, Roy didn't fight anyone good.

Incorrect. They were good. They just weren't Roy Jones Jr. Roy Jones Jr. was on a totally different level for years. The thing is, a fighter can only maintain that kind of RPM, that fucking T, the RPMs that he was at. You can only maintain that for a certain amount of time. Yeah, yeah.

You know, Fedor did it for a long time. Anderson Silva did it for a long time. The guys who are at the very, very best, they can only hold on to it for a certain amount of years. Yeah. And then the knees go the back goes the joints go the hands break things just you know yeah but that's isn't that kind of conventional wisdom that the power can stay though oh yeah so that's what like with tyson i mean he looks fast there

i'll say jones looks fast i found it for you oh here oh look at this look at this deep on reddit yeah but dude but look at the scrambles, man. The kid can fucking wrestle. Like seriously, legit. Oh, man. Look at these scrambles. Like watch this. See that turnaround, that duck under? Look at this.

And Paulo Costa's a beast, dude. Jeez. Just the scramble, the way he's spinning around and avoiding the takedown. That's athletic. Yes. Very athletic. Thank you, Jamie. Thank you.

I knew it was real. Retract the retraction. Find me some Antifa guys lighting forest fires and we're good he's a real athlete yeah and he's a big kid

yeah but Floyd Mayweather that was impressive very impressive so it was an MMA fight Floyd would be fucked yeah he would get takedown

and smashed for sure 100% bet the house yeah but it's not an MMA fight it's a boxing match and Floyd's the best

of all time one punch good luck one punch get out of here with that shit Bet the house. Yeah. But it's not an MMA fight. It's a boxing match. And Floyd's the best of all time. One punch. Good luck. One punch. Get out of here with that shit. I just wonder if Roy Jones Jr. is going to be able to avoid Mike Tyson's, the bum rush. Yeah. I just want to avoid that style of that marauding, attacking style.

Because obviously, when you see the Tyson training footage, he's still got that speed. Yeah. He's still got that power. He hits those mitts. It's still terrifying. Yeah. he's still got that power he hits those mitts it's still terrifying you know i don't i just i don't want to see him get get hit by those tyson hooks if it's going to be i mean if that happens it'll be in the first minute or two the weird thing is like some people are saying that it's not a fight they're like saying well it's just going to be a sparring match like you better tell that to tyson because no i'll tell the story that

i was telling you yeah this new studio there's a certain distance this uh this table's a certain width and this is the exact same width i don't remember what it is i don't remember how many inches it is but this is the exact same with the old table, the old studio. But when we moved to this new place, I'm like, maybe it'd be better if it was a little more intimate. I have a table that's a little smaller. And then I did the interview with Tyson. Yeah.

And he was so... See, I had two interviews with Tyson. One from 11 months ago or 10 months ago, where he was smoking weed. He's opening a ranch. He's got this weed ranch he's like super chill and he's introspective and philosophical and he's talking about his past and all his mistakes and how weed makes him a nicer person he likes himself on weed and you felt comfortable at that distance oh my god it was great it was perfect conversation

i really enjoyed it and then the next time was when he's fit and slimmed down. Dude, you know these weird muscles that you have at the top of your form? It's like he had a golf ball shoved under his skin. He just jumped and ready to go. Different mindset then? He felt different to be around, man. He was so keyed up. I mean, he's in the middle of training camp.

Yeah. And he was just super intense. Different person. And then we started talking about how it felt orgasmic to hurt people sometimes and I'm like I think I need a wider table and Trump sent that out

yeah Trump put that on his Twitter with no comment no context just posted that about Mike Tyson saying I guess he thought it was interesting but what? how can what imagine imagine you're the leader of the free world yeah and you go posting shit about how it feels

like you want to come when you're you're beating people up it makes sense and it's mike tyson talking about it too and he's like oh i like it yeah i'm gonna repost this yeah this. So that made me decide to widen this table. Because if I was a little closer to him, if we were like this close, I might be nervous. It might affect my ability to do the conversation. A couple inches. Yes. What is it? Six extra inches, Jamie?

That we widen the table? At least. Yeah. Directly because of Mike Tyson interview. I was like, yikes. So yeah. So he's, i think they call that the eye of the tiger yeah oh yeah the eye of the tiger he's ready he's ready um but the thing is

like what what happens if roy can move away from him what happens if roy could avoid avoid the attack and how are they going to treat this are they are they going to treat it like a sparring session or are they going to treat it like war that's what originally the reports were saying it was not going to be a full-out fight but i don't if tyson's looking that intimidation intimidating can he scale it back i don't even think he knows what that means what does that mean i don't know i just i can't imagine he's gonna scale it back yeah and roy jones jr was saying something recently he thinks he might have made a mistake yeah i would think that too yeah but i don't know if he's being serious he probably watched the interview with tyson 11 months ago and thought that oh i'll fight this guy this guy's cool if you

watch this recent one that's when he thought i think i made a mistake maybe but the fact that he would say that i can't imagine he's being serious or unless he wants to make a lot of money and he's like you know this is the way it'll make isn't it crazy how tyson he's can make money for how long has it been you know his 85 is when he first broke in so how many years is this i mean it's been it's been a fucking while and he's still tyson i think the last time he fought was in the, I want to say the early 2000s, like 2005 maybe? I just know when he first came up is like 85, because I think I was a junior or senior or something like that. But yeah, 35 years ago. I remember when he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, he was 19 years old, said Kid Dynamite.

Yeah. And it was him at 19 years old. The most exciting heavyweight prospect dude when tyson would fight it was an event it was an execution yeah he'd watch people get executed yeah i remember i watched the fight um where he lost to buster douglas after i knew the result oh and i still didn't believe it i was like he's gonna get, he's going to get up. He's going to knock him out. Like, this is Mike Tyson. He can't lose. I was at some duplex.

And I remember him, when he was on his hands and knees looking for his mouthpiece. I was like, what is going on? The world has gone crazy. It's gone haywire. Yeah. It didn't seem real. No, that was crazy.

No, he, I can't imagine he's going to dial it back. Mm-mm. See if you can find Roy's exact statement when he said he thinks he made a mistake. Because that to me is like, huh. Or is he selling it? Right. Is he selling it? Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Roy's smart. He's a great commentator. He's one of the best commentators in the game. I met him one time. Me, you, him.

In Vegas after fights. We were eating steak. Yeah. I think that was at Mandalay Bay. Is that the place? I think so. That steakhouse we always go? That's the one at the MGM.

Did we eat there? I think we ate at the one at Mandalay Bay if I remember correctly. Yeah. Yeah, but he's been fighting much more recently roy jones on mike tyson exhibition match i made a mistake going in with him tyson is still one of the strongest most explosive people who ever touched a boxing glove jones said i mean they got biden's performance for that what does it say here he's still mike tyson still one of the strongest most explosive people who ever

touched a boxing glove if anything I made a mistake going in with him he's the bigger guy he's the explosive guy he said he's going to have all the first round

fireworks not me I do have first round fireworks but he's known for more first round fireworks than anybody to ever touch boxing other than maybe George Foreman

Jones apprehension files remarks Tyson made last month where he called the match a search and destroy. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus Christ. Imagine you're at home. Look, I'm just going to check Twitter before I go to bed.

Yeah, you see that? Search and destroy. Tyson says, this is search and destroy, and I'm looking forward to recapturing my glory. Tyson told TMZ Sports, the fighting game is what I'm about, and hurting people is what I'm about. Oh, my God. Yeah.

It's so interesting for me to see. Jamie and I talked about it right after Tyson left. Yeah. But Jamie was like, okay, that was a different person. From 11 months ago, you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Everything.

Everything. All of it. He wasn't ready to fight back then, and then all of a sudden. Yeah. Yeah. Everything he's just been saying the last five minutes, but intense. He was saying to us during the podcast the first time, he's like, I don't even work out. He goes, if I work out, I'll reignite my ego.

He goes, I don't want to do that. I remember that. Yes. And then one of the quotes that he said in this comeback, he said, the gods of war have reignited my ego. God. The gods of war. What a fucking terrifying human.

What I remember is seeing some of those clips of him punching lately with all that power is his legs. Yeah. I mean, you know that's where the power. I saw his quads or his hamstring, just the size of his legs i'm like god that's a thick kid yeah brindan shop thick he's still got it he's still got it whatever it is it's crazy yeah yeah he's still got it well i don't know should be fun to watch there's a thing about like having that skill when you're young um as long as the body doesn't fall apart as long as the shoulders still

work right and the back's not completely blown out like especially if and i don't know what the deal is with trt and growth hormone and all that stuff but if he still if he knows how to move his body and he learned how to move his body in a way very few human beings can do the way he he has that that shell that that guard where he comes in that peekaboo style yeah just bobbing and weaving throwing fucking bombs like that is in his makeup well it's like you kicking yeah it's like you with your your what is spinning back yeah all that shit yeah it's like it's you've done it since you were 15 yeah so he's done the same thing exactly so no matter what your body does if you're stronger because the trt or whatever else that's that technique isn't going anywhere yeah your mind still knows how to do it i remember

there was a video look at this mike tyson gets more ripped with each intense training video dude this is a while ago though this is a while ago He's way more jacked than this now That's what's crazy This was months and months and months ago So this is September it says So here we go September 17th Oh here it goes Oh this is just a bunch of

This is where I saw Look at his legs dude No he's exploding And it's also he's an unstoppable force god it's he's an unstoppable force still got it yeah it's the the thing about him is you gotta stop him from coming and you can't yeah do you ever see the most terrifying mike tyson fight for me is marvis frazier did you ever see that most terrifying Mike Tyson fight for me is Marvis Frazier. Did you ever see that fight?

I'm sure I did. Marvis Frazier, who is Joe Frazier's son. Yeah. And there was all this shit talk leading up to this fight where Joe Frazier was like, my son's going to fuck you up. And he's like, mm-hmm, okay. And there was this intensity because a lot of people had kind of compared Tyson in many ways to Frazier because they were both fairly short heavyweights. Yeah.

Both had that sort of bobbing and weaving style. Look how intense that is. And the guy who's training him is Rafael Cordero. That's King's MMA in Huntington Beach. Rafael Cordero is a legendary MMA coach, which is really interesting that he's the guy who's training Mike Tyson because- Well, see that quote right there? Look inside my soul and how bad I want it.

If Tyson's like, look inside, you and how bad i want it if tyson's like look inside you don't want that look at his forearm see that what i'm talking about yeah muscles on his forearm yeah bro when he said that's that muscle is from this that's from clenching and smashing god or you're doing chin ups and shit but that's like the the fist muscle dude fucking terrifying he's so terrifying. But Rafael Cordero, the guy who's training him, which is really interesting, he's not necessarily known as a boxing trainer.

He's a Muay Thai trainer. Obviously trained Anderson Silva, trained a lot of the Curitiba guys, the shoot-the-box guys like Mauricio Shogun, Ninja, like Vanderlei Silva, some of the all-time greatbox guys like Mauricio Shogun, Ninja, Vanderlei Silva, some of the all-time great MMA legends of the pioneers. He was one of the trainers for those guys, main trainer for a lot of those guys.

I wonder why he went with him. I think they just started out hitting pads together. Oh, just get back in the groove. I think he just likes the guy, and they started hitting pads together, and he likes what he was bringing to the table. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always wonder what would have happened if, was it Cuss?

Cuss D'Amato. If he wouldn't have died. Oh, yeah. It would have been a different world. I mean, because that's what kind of got Tyson. Then he was with Don King and that whole thing and unhealthy lifestyle. But when he was with Cuss D'Amato, it was like, it was just, you know, singular vision of. Yeah.

He probably would have been even greater than he was. Yeah. He probably would have maintained it much longer than he was, than he did. Yeah. I mean, because probably kept him up in the Catskills, pulled him away from all the bullshit. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. Well, he, he just, we talked about it a bit, but what an amazing father figure Cuss was,

but we also talked about how Cuss hypnotized him really oh yeah man when he was young cuss hypnotized him and that was uh part of his uh ability to like seek and destroy is that cuss told him things like you don't exist just the task the task exists oh you know that there's a man in front of you you're breaking that man down that's the task you You don't exist. Like, crazy shit like that. Wow. You're telling that to a 13-year-old. God. And then you have the perfect storm of this 13-year-old is incredibly physically gifted.

Yeah. Right? He was 13 years old. He weighed 190 pounds. Oh, my God. Yeah. And Teddy Atlas told me he would bring him to these smokers. A smoker is like an amateur boxing event that they would do in boxing gyms right and he'd bring him to these smokers and everybody would lie like how

many fights this guy have oh he's only had two fights kids had like 30 fights right and so they'd bring tyson he goes how old is the kid he goes he's 13 he was like that fucking kid is not 13 he's like okay he's 16 yeah how old do you want him to be yeah and he goes okay 16 i got a 16 year old for him he just smashed this poor guy but he was 13 he was just smashing people yeah it was the first thing that he ever did that got him real love and attention and acceptance first thing he ever did were people like you're special there's something to you and then he has this guy in customato who's a legend in boxing yeah one of the most respected legendary trainers in boxing right he. He had trained Jose Torres, Floyd Patterson. There he is.

And he's giving this kid information and talking to this kid about what he can accomplish and what he can be. Incredible. Yeah. I mean, look at that. Yeah. That was when he was full Jack Dempsey mode. Yeah.

That was when he was 19. Incredible. He was awesome, man. Yeah. I just think I would not want to be in there with him no i just definitely not me but i mean if i was a heavyweight boxer who's like anywhere near his age i just i don't i don't want none of that i wonder how he'd do like if he came back in shape i wonder how he'd do like against tyson fury the real problem is he's no matter what you do he's still 54 yeah

no matter what you do but those guys still been knocked out well listen yeah listen yes they do they do they go hard oh fuck yeah but tyson fury is six foot nine i know i know he's huge mike tyson is pretty close to my size okay yeah yeah when, yeah. When I stand next to him, we're not in a different universe. Yeah. Tyson Fury's in a different universe than me. When I met him, I'm like, hello, giant. It's true, yeah. He's a giant.

And he's a big giant. Deontay Wilder's a giant too, but he's slender. Deontay Wilder doesn't weigh much more than me, which is crazy. Dude, when he fought Tyson Fury the first time and he dropped him twice yeah he weighed 209 wow 209 wow and he's six six nine something crazy like that six seven he's huge real but he's a preposterous power puncher yeah he's preposterous yeah 40 knockouts or something yeah like he knocked out everybody except one dude and tyson fury yeah in the last fight and then well in both fights you know in the last fight he got stopped by tyson fury i love tyson's

fury story though too it's amazing i mean yeah what a comeback yeah the fact that he was like literally accelerating his ferrari towards a bridge to kill himself yeah yeah and then decided not to and just was like really fucked up. Dude, boxing by itself, just that, just getting hit in the head, it's not good for your brain. No. It's just not. And then you have cocaine and booze and chaos and fame and all those things that came after he beat Vladimir Klitschko.

Yeah. And he didn't just beat Vladimir Klitschko. He humiliated him. He mocked him. He taunted him. He outboxed him. He taunted him. He outboxed him. He's such a good boxer. And then he sang in the ring horrible songs.

Oh, God. Yeah. I mean, he's so... He's so good. He's so good, yeah. I mean, technique-wise. Yeah. It's amazing.

Well, and then coming back and using that guy from Kronk, Sugar Hill, right? That's his trainer for the last fight? I believe that's the guy from cronk sugar hill right that's the his trainer for the last fight i believe that's uh the gentleman from cronk cronk was emmanuel stewart's gym which created tommy hearns and gerald mcclellan and all these fucking assassins and they had this real aggressive attacking style and he took on that style for the second fight with Deontay so he came after him which uh yes Sugar Hill Sugar Hill Stewart and he is that a manual son I don't know I don't know that but that would be amazing if it was yeah um but he had a different style he came after Deionte yeah and he realized that dionte does not fight as well going back right but dionte hits dudes in like the top of the head and puts

him to sleep he hits he hits guys and it's like what happened like they got shot with a sniper rifle crazy such big humans like i i you know thinking of it now. You're right. I mean, giants. Giants. Giants with skill, though. Yeah. Tyson's so big. Tyson Fury, he's so huge. Yeah. All right.

So I'll go Logan Paul, Mike Tyson. If they both win. You imagine if they set that up. Listen, that's a real thing that could happen. I know. It's not if they both win, because Logan's not going to win. He's not going to win. Dude, the one punch.

I can't imagine that happening. I'm not a gambling man per se, but I would be willing to bet a million dollars that he's not going to knock out Floyd Mayweather. I just can't imagine a world where that takes place. It could happen. Don't get me wrong. It could happen.

Yeah, it's a fight game. It would be the weirdest moment in all of boxing if logan paul connects with a big punch and knocks floyd mayweather out oh god it'd be it'd be horrible a lot of ways in a lot of ways a lot of ways it would be amazing it would be it would be both horrible and amazing yeah it's his nephew okay so uh you know they they devise a perfect strategy sugar hill and um and tyson fury in the rematch but then there's going to be another fight in december so they're fighting again the third fight is going to be in december who wait deontay wilder and tyson fury oh yeah yeah yeah right okay yeah it's weird watching these fights with no audience too

yeah it's weird how do you i mean do you like doing ufc with no i do like it yeah i don't not like it i do like it yeah the thing about it that's really strange is you hear everything you hear the grunt you hear deep breaths you hear shit talk you hear uh corners coaching like really clearly you know like you know three five three five like look for the left move to the side stay away from his right leg like all these things get out of kicking range like you hear things that you don't necessarily hear unless those guys are miked up and we you know sometimes occasionally when there's a live crowd we'll tune into those people like you have you tune into them

and then you know the coach will there'll be a camera on them and we'll listen to the corner while they're giving instructions. But it's not most of the time. It's just occasionally. But during these big fights with no audience, you hear everything the coaches are saying, everything. Yeah. They have this date in December locked up for the Vegas new football stadium only because they're hoping to have fans there for it.

So I don't know how many, but it lines up with the NFL schedule so that the venue's open. How is that possible? I think they were hoping to have 15,000, I think. So it would be definitely distanced in there. I don't know how, though. Yeah, because the stadium probably holds. Probably close to 80, 90.

Yeah, so they'd be all spread out. How weird. I know. But, I mean, would you want to go there? Yeah. 15,000 people coughing. There was a football game last night in Cleveland. There's 6,000 people there, and they still had a fight in the stands.

You know, people get drunk, they can watch football. That's what they want to do. They're going to go to Vegas. They're going to party. They're going to be crazy. Hey, Cleveland won. They did. They pulled out.

Hopes that fans will be able to attend. Maybe. Well, at a certain point in time, I believe. It's after the election, so it'll be over. Yeah, after the election, it's all going to be fine, unless there's riots. Who knows what's going to happen after the election? I mean, the world could be filled with chaos after the election.

Man, I don't know. Where are the fights this weekend? They are taking place in Vegasgas this is at the apex center and then next weekend is fight island so the next few fights are at fight island but this one this one's at the apex center which is an awesome place for fights it's awesome the acoustics are amazing the way they have it set up is amazing you know and the ufc kudos to the ufc for doing the right job doing the the best job they can. They test the shit out of everybody.

Everybody wears masks. Yeah. There it is. Fight night. What's the card? Let me see the card. I know Cowboy's on the card against Nico Price. That is a tough fight.

And that dude, Kamzat, I don't know how you say his last name, Chimaev. Oh, my God. He's a beast. That kid is a beast. Yeah. That's an interesting fight. Very confident. Mm-hmm.

But Gerald Mearshart has got a lot of experience, man. Yeah. Lots of fights. Look at that. 44 fights. 44 fights. Johnny Walker and Ryan Spann. Mm-hmm. Oh oh McKenzie Dern

Kevin Holland Darren Stewart this is good fights McKenzie Dern yeah good fights who do you got who do you got

in the headliner Colby it's a it's listen Tyron Woodley is one of the greatest welterweights of all time

there's no doubt about it but his last two fights have not been his best. He lost two decisions in a row. But he also lost two decisions in a row to a guy in Kamaru Usman, who I think is one of the greatest of all time. I think Usman is just an unstoppable beast. And you saw what he's the only guy that's been able to shut down Colby. That's how good Kamaru Usman is.

Shut him down, outlasted him, and then wound up beating Colby up in the final round, broke his jaw, stopped him. But if Tyron Woodley can regain the form that he had when he beat Darren Till, the form that he had when he knocked out Robbie Lawler, the form that he had when he was at the top of his game, he gives everybody problems. But the question is, what has been going on? Is it just that he's meeting some of the best guys ever, like in Gilbert Burns, who's elite. Gilbert Burns is elite.

Yeah. And Kamaru Usman is elite. But you can make an argument that he's lost 10 rounds in a row, the last 10 rounds in a row, which is incredible. If you think about before that fight, if you go back to before the fight with Kamaru Usman, and if someone told you, Tyron Woodley before this fight is going to lose 10 rounds in a row, you'd be like, get the fuck out of here.

He's a destroyer. Tyron Woodley's a destroyer. It's sometimes fighters, they have peaks and valleys, and sometimes they return better and stronger than ever and sometimes it's the start of a downward slide and colby is a real test to find out where he's at because there's going to be a lot of emotions coming into this fight and uh tyron for sure is the bigger puncher for sure tyron is a legit one-punch knockout artist. But Colby has a third lung. He's got a crazy gas tank.

Yeah. And you can't just take him out. You've got to beat him down, like Usman beat him down. And even then, he was protesting the stoppage with a jaw literally snapped in half, blood pouring out of his mouth, and pissed that they stopped the fight. He's a tough kid. He's a fucking animal. Yeah.

He's a fucking animal. And he's an animal that wants the belt. And he a tough kid. He's a fucking animal. Yeah. He's a fucking animal. And he's an animal that wants the belt. And he wants to get back in there with his mind. And the striking looked pretty good in that fight. Pretty fucking good. And so we know he's a wrestler. He's got, I think, the most takedowns right now of anybody active. Well, he has a crazy pace.

And we were talking about Michael Chiesa. You were saying that Michael Chiesa said you can't just have a good camp. It has to be your best camp pace. Yeah. And, you know, we were talking about Michael Chiesa. You were saying that Michael Chiesa said you can't just have a good camp. Has to be your best camp ever. Yeah. If you're fighting Colby, you better pack a fucking lunch. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a pace that's just hard to believe, man.

Right. And that's Woodley's kryptonite. In some ways, it has been Woodley's kryptonite. It certainly was in the Usman fight. But, you know, the thing about Woodley is, at least in those camps and in these moments in the past, he has had personal problems. He's had career issues. He's had distractions.

He was starting a rap career. He was involved in a lot of other things. I think when a fighter is at their best they're they're of a singular mission and that singular mission is like to seek and destroy yeah and to just train and to just fight i think everything else on top of that you can do it you can do it maybe you'll be successful maybe you win by knockout maybe maybe you maybe you're just better yeah but maybe not maybe you'll sap just a little bit of you and maybe maybe those exchanges where you could come out on top, you don't. The other guy comes out on top.

And then you drop down a little bit. And then you don't have the recovery because you haven't trained as hard as maybe you could have. Or the distractions have kept you from just being completely focused and centered on your game. I think that you saw that with Ronda Rousey. As Ronda Rousey got more and more famous, there was more and more distractions. There was movie scripts, and there was television shows. There was all these different things that came to her.

And at the end of the day, there was also Holly Holm, who was the best striker she ever faced, and Holly stopped her. And it changed the whole game. Well, the thing about Colby Covington is that all that motherfucker does is train and talk shit he trains and talks shit and makes videos yeah makes videos with with girls with girls in their bikinis and he's talking shit in those videos too he's wearing a maga hat and there's so much emotions when you're fighting him but that's the only time he's not training yeah I mean he he is so focused on training and

getting to be the best I mean you know him well we should tell people yeah you've trained with him multiple you guys you've run together you've done he's trained at your gym yeah he has and he's just a hard-working kid he's got the best attitude the most respectful most respectful guy. It's what he does on camera is a whole different thing. But when he's there to train, that's all he cares about. And that's what he does every single day. It's like he's obsessed with being the best. And it's tough to, when you're at your prime and you're as good as he is, we talked about talent, and then also you train and you eliminate those distractions. It's a, that's a package. Yeah.

And I think that training with you also, when, you know, when you took that dude running and you run Mount Pisgah, Pigsgah, how do you say that? Pisgah. Pisgah. Yeah. But why has it got a P in there? Pisgah? How do you say it?

It's P-I-S-G-A-H. How's that? Pisgah? Yeah. But there should be a G in there somewhere. No, P-I-S-G-A-H. Yeah, but? Pisca? Yeah. But there should be a G in there somewhere. No, P-I-S-G-A-H. Yeah, but how do you say it? You're not saying it with a G.

Pisca. Guh. Yeah. I thought you were saying Pisca. Say it again. Maybe I do. Pisca. Yeah, see?

There's no G in there. Whatever. You're not saying the G. It's just like people who say Oregon. It's Oregon. Oregon. But gun. Gun is still G.

Okay. Pisca. There's a that's a k i'm just saying that when you're from there you just say okay i get it but when he runs that with you and he realizes like wow there's levels to endurance there's levels to cardio yeah that has got to help him i mean the guy your age you're so much older than him and you're like way outpacing him when you guys are running together like that's gotta let him know like guys are running together. Like that's got to let him know, like Jesus Christ, like as much as you think you're pushing it, the grind never stops. Yeah.

And someone like you who does that grind every fucking day, you get to this level of endurance and people that think they're in good shape. Like I talked to a bunch of the Sorenix guys that went running with you. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, I thought I was in pretty good shape.

Yeah. It's just, it's different but yeah colby is always has been known as versus cardio so he does really well but he'll he'll admit too that i mean i'm only doing that so i'm not hitting pads i'm not wrestling so it's like it's easy for me to focus on on endurance but he does say that so it it has opened his eyes he said to there is another level. Yeah.

And that's where he's been obsessed with getting. Yeah. The other level of endurance and conditioning has always been this place where people reach and then realize it. I remember Tito Ortiz fought Frank Shamrock. This was back when Tito Ortiz was at the top. Before he was really at the top of his game training a big bear i think he was training a big bear i don't know if he was training a big bear

back then because this was the fight where frank shamrock outworked him oh and frank shamrock wound up beating him down and stopping him okay and when it happened tito became this cardio monster right afterwards and focused on cardio. It was a great lesson. He realized, like, wow, I fell apart because I got exhausted. And before he was able to smash these people because he's this really big, strong kid and he was a very good wrestler, just tough as fuck and he's ready to scrap. And he wound up running into a guy in Shamrock that was trained better,

was smarter, just had a better game plan it was an insane cardio and frank just outworked him and and wound up stopping him and then tito became this guy who realized like oh cardio is everything right cardio's and okay i remember kendall grove who uh was a great fighter from hawai I remember him. Still around. He trained with Tito on the Ultimate Fighter and then said to me, he goes, dude, it opened my eyes. He goes, cardio is everything. Yeah. Cardio is everything.

Yeah. And you realize that these guys that have a certain amount of conditioning, they have a certain amount of ability, if you add extreme cardio, then the other guy gets tired and you don't. And when you see someone tired and you're not tired it's amazing it's amazing that feeling you're like ah what's up yeah it's gotta feel good oh it feels amazing and the same fatigue makes cowards of us all yep you know so you may as a fighter when you're to when you're you know fresh you could be a whole different fighter than when

you're tired yep all sudden being choked out wouldn't be that bad let me get out of here yep yep and that is what happens too your brain starts looking for ways out yeah you know you give up your back you you give up an arm you know like you see guys you see guys getting mounted and you see them like literally reach up and they're kind of giving an arm yeah and they're so tired they're like take my neck but and that's what that's a big thing to me the difference in the fight is i colby was tired as a fifth round he was beat up he never gave up that's true but neither did tyrant you got to realize tyrant fought gilbert burns gilbert burns put a beating on him in the first round tyrant never looked for a way out he kept trying to win that fight yeah gilbert was a step ahead

of him and gilbert wound up winning basically every round but tyrant never looked for a way out he kept trying to win that fight yeah gilbert was a step ahead of him and gilbert wound up winning basically every round but tyron never looked for a way out did you think that i felt like he didn't he sort of gave up against uzman i don't think he gave up i think that's all he had i think that's all he had like he was doing shit in that fight well i think first of all he's trying to stay alive because uzman put a beating on him i think it was one round. I think it was the fourth round. He unloaded this horrific combination on him. And I talked to Usman about it.

And he was like, I was trying to take him out. And then I realized he wasn't going anywhere. I was like, oh, shit. I've got my gas tank out. But I think Tyron's trying to win with everything he had. But I don't think he had enough that day. And I talked to him about that fight afterwards. And he said, that wasn't me because i wasn't there anybody who knows me knows

that that wasn't me yeah but so so how do you do that how do you go to a fight and that's not you you know what we talked about about distractions and about all these different things and you know it's it's hard being a professional prize fighter is one of the most difficult things that anybody could do in athletics i couldn't i mean i'm sitting on the couch talking shit but you're not sitting on the couch you do difficult things i mean you've done the moab 240 you've run 240 fucking miles in the mountains you know what difficult things are the thing about fighting is that you're you're getting hit and someone is hitting you the thing there's there's battles and maybe as difficult if not more difficult the battles that play out in your own

mind when you're running for three days in the mountains yeah but there's something about people hitting you and about knowing that this guy like when you're sparring say and you realize that a guy is faster than you like oh okay like i'm trying to do this and I'm getting cracked as I'm coming in his timings better and you have to readjust you're constantly thinking Yeah, it's a crazy Management battle because you're estimating what you can do and you're calculating What you need to like you need to faint your way in you need to you need to redirect or misdirect You're trying to figure it out so it's draining it's exhausting and then you're getting bank then you're getting dinged up and you're trying to win but you just

don't have it right you know and that's what i saw with tyron woodley i never saw any quit there was no quit because he could have quit he could have found a way out he's a champion yeah he could have found a way out in either one of those fights the thing about this colby covington fight is you gotta be ready got to be ready. You got to be ready. And if he's ready, and if we're getting the Tyron Woodley that knocked out Robbie Lawler, if we're getting the Tyron Woodley that stopped Carlos Conde, we're getting the real Tyron Woodley. If we're getting that guy, it's going to be an interesting fight because they fucking hate each other. They fucking hate each other.

And Tyron does not want to lose three fights in a row. No, no. And Colby says he's expecting the best Tyron Woodley. And he calls him Tyron? Yeah. Tyron Woodley, you pussied out. This should have been you, all that shit. I know.

This is your ass kicking. Yeah. Why'd you let this man take this ass beating for you? Yeah. I mean, it's going to be... So he's expecting the best. Yeah. And he says he's going to end the fight.

When he, if and when he wins the title, I want to get him in here. I want him to tell the story of why he created this character because it's a really interesting story. Because if you talk to Colby outside the Octagon, like you said, he's a very respectful dude. He's really smart and nice, and he's very smart. He's really smart and nice, and he's very smart. He's there. He's a very articulate, really engaging person.

He's charismatic. But what he realized was he was about to get cut, and the UFC, they were literally telling him, like, we don't like your style. We don't like the way you're fighting. We're going to cut you. So he goes to Brazil. He's fighting Damian Maia in Brazil.

And he starts talking bad shit. He calls him a bunch of filthy animals and said the place is a dump. And everybody goes nuts. And he wins. That was after he beat him. I mean, he said it on the mic afterwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After he won.

Yeah. And Maia's never been beat up like that, has he? Tyron beat him up pretty bad um and uh gilbert burns knocked him out his last fight but damian maya's 41 i think yeah you know he's he's yeah one of the greatest jujitsu artists that's ever competed in mma there it is look at that is this right now yeah early today oh shit look how focused colby looks god damn he's so focused oh oh this is intense this is intense

that looks good it says legalize being black. What? It's illegal. Did you know? Yeah. Oh, it's, it's good there. Didn't he? Yeah.

He looks really, really intense. Yeah. It's hard to see if Tyron's intense cause he's got glasses on. He's wearing sunglasses. Yeah. Um, it's,

it's a crazy fight, man. It's a crazy fight. But yeah, Colby in Brazil knew they said, what he says is UFCfc said they're going to cut him win or lose yeah and so he made he started talking crazy shit everybody went nuts and then a lot of eyes on him and they're like we like what you're doing so they they basically and

he it was it was a career saving move that turned him into a star yeah and out of nowhere i i look i talked to him before that he was not that guy before that he him into a star yeah and out of nowhere i i look i talked to him before that he was not that guy before that he was just a guy was training and fighting and doing really well that's who he still is and he had a great style i mean his style was that style of like really high pace yeah stays on people he only had one loss uh previous to the kamaru usman fight and that was a fight that he took with a fucked up rib yeah he was hurt yeah he needed money he needed the cash which is this the the life of a young up and coming prize fighter yeah but uh he's special he's not you know he tricks people with the cheap suits and the maga hat yeah and all that trash talk like this is a that is a facade but the thing is that makes it harder

like to talk all that shit and then go and fight pressure on yourself yeah people want you to lose man you put in pressure yeah and he's good at it he's good at dealing with that and i even i've heard stories about him back in college wrestling and he still had that confidence where he'd be wrestling and talking to the crowd that's amazing yeah while he's wrestling, during the match against the best wrestlers in the country. I mean, no kidding. Well, there's something about that that distracts the opponent too.

People do that. Floyd Mayweather does a lot of that in sparring. James Toney was famous for that. James Toney, who's without a doubt one of the best defensive boxers of his era. He was an amazing boxer. And James tony would talk mad during fights that's it so you got this is it yeah so you got and then you pop you with a jab and hook you come on come on you ain't got you ain't got pop pop you got oh Yeah, and he did that in sparring. See if Google James Toney talking shit during sparring.

It was legendary. People would go to a wild card gym just to watch James Toney box and talk shit to people. Wow. And he would get, like, world championship caliber fighters and, like, come on, bitch. Let's spar, bitch. He would, like, take guys that maybe he would fight in the future. You know, like, he didn't care. He was like, come on, get in here. And he had he had that like that shoulder roll style kind of like floyd yeah but but he's thick you

know he's a big thick dude so get up in here and and get on top of guys and push them up against the rope and talk shit and hook them that'd be rough yeah his his fight with roy jones jr was when they were both in their prime and James Tony was a destroyer. And Roy Jones Jr. just was too fast. Too slick. See, if you could hear this. Can you hear some of this? He just talks shit. Oh, that's Danny

Green, who is a world-class fighter. Look how thick he is. God damn James Tony looks good here. Look how big he is. I don't know if it's if there's shit talking in this or if it's just Look how thick he is. God damn, James Toney looks good here. Look how big he is. Oh. I don't know if there's shit talking in this or if it's just like regular boxing sparring.

Yeah. But Danny Green, I believe, when these guys sparred, Danny Green was the top contender. Rogan made this video famous 12 years ago. Let's talk about it six months ago. It says 12 years after I uploaded it. Oh, that's hilarious. That's good.

That's hilarious. Well, I made it famous again. I love watching boxing sparring matches. I love watching anything. Here it is. Come on. You're scared to get hit. You're European.

You said you're scared to get hit, you're European Yeah Oh, God See, that fucks with people's heads Yeah, definitely Then you take a stiff jab Yeah He's talking shit to Come on

Oh, God, those punches are stout. Yeah, well, he was just fantastic at these really tight, in-close combat fights of giving you the shoulder and popping you with short hooks and turning angles on you. He was just super skillful. He just wasn't the most disciplined guy. Yeah. So, like, a lot of times he would show up for fights.

He didn't have big cams. Out of shape. We brought it up because with Radio Raheem, he filmed those. Oh, that's right. That's what that was. That's right. He also fought in the UFC. He fought Randy Couture.

Yeah, I remember that. Randy Couture just hit him with a low ankle and took him down, mounted him. I think he arm-triangled him. I think he arm, I think he arm triangled him. I think he got him in a head and arm choke. But isn't that so, I mean, you said you like watching training. Yeah. Like, I mean, that's how you, you watched me shooting when you first wanted to have me on the, on the podcast years ago.

Yeah. So what is it about? It's like watching people put in work for, for a discipline. Is that what you're, you like to see is that what everybody likes to see i get inspired by greatness people that are great at anything even great at the shit that i don't ever want to do like if i see a guy play the harp it's fucking awesome i get fired up yeah me too i just love watching people put in work i i think there's something that's uh an incredible resource that we have today with videos whether it's YouTube videos or

Any kind of video on Instagram or what have you where you can watch them and you get you get fired up Like that's a boundless resource. Yeah, you know you need discipline to get things done this life, but inspirations nice Yeah, nice give you a little extra juice. You won't get there without discipline Yeah, it helps. If you only train when you're inspired, fuck, good luck. You're not going to get fat. Yeah, that's right. You need discipline.

But inspiration's nice. Yeah. It's nice to have. There's something about it. To me, I just take advantage of it. I think it's an amazing resource. So whether it's watching a guy like you shoot and watching your dedication and your training footage and all that stuff.

Like I love the fact you're always putting the Sorenix Lab on Instagram and you do those long videos where you and – who's in there with you? Is it Eric the Trainer Dude? No, that's Eric. Oh. Nick the Trainer Dude. Nick the Trainer Dude. Eric McCormick is Outlaw Strength.

Outlaw Strength, that's right. Yeah, yeah. But that you do it with these guys and you have these, you bring people in to train with you and you have these, it just, I need to know that other people are working. Yeah. I like it. I like it. I want to see it.

I want to see motion. It's weird. I want to put my fucking shoes on and go. It's weird because those videos, sometimes they'll get, for me, is a lot, but 200,000 views on just lifting. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? but so people aren't unlike you i mean they they want that too they love it those goggins videos i put a goggins video on my uh page of the day got two million views yeah because it's just him talking shit about himself yeah which is what's hilarious he's talking shit about

his own like lack of motivation is that where he said he videoed himself yeah being a being a bitch yeah he goes i sound like a straight bitch god i love that guy stay hard i love that guy how could he not make somebody want to work harder i mean you are gonna work harder than you were gonna work out for sure you're not gonna probably work out as hard as him but you're gonna work out harder than you would of knowing that there's dudes like that out there yeah i think that's what's that's what people need to realize and i think you provide that as well because people have this idea of how hard they're working and it's usually grossly inflated yeah you know most most people they don't have the experience of driving themselves on a daily basis to excellence.

They kind of put in some work, and then they pat themselves on the back. They think they did a good job. Even guys who kind of work out kind of hard, like, I'm fucking in there hustling. Are you? Are you really? Let me show you some videos, bro. Here's my friend that gets up at 3 in the morning and runs a marathon before work. Well, every place I've went this year, it's like to a crowd where I haven't been around.

They've talked about Truett doing pull-ups. That was me, your son. It's hilarious. They'll be like, so now, did he do chin-ups too and pull-ups and switch around? I'm like, nope, just pull-ups. So push-ups, did you do any? Nope, just pull-ups. And that pull-ups are so hard do nope just just pull-ups and that pull-ups are so hard and how many pull-ups did he do he did 4100 in 24 hours yeah 17 hours like 35 minutes 4100

pull-ups yeah yeah that's a lot of pull-ups his motivating factor was Goggins I mean he's all about Goggins Goggins previous world record was 4032 Goggins. Goggins' previous world record was 4,032. And so I just told him, I said, well, you know, we look up to Goggins. Goggins is like a god to us, you know? I mean, he's such a badass, and just knowing him is an honor. But I said, well, if that's the goal to beat Goggins, you also have to beat his time. Otherwise, what's the point? So he did. He was able to do that, and it was all about just trying to live up to the example Goggins set, and he got it done. But a lot of people bring that up.

The Goggins pull-up, like what Goggins' record was for pull-ups, how did he calculate it out? Did he say if I do five every X amount of seconds? Five a minute. Five a minute. You do five a minute minute there's 60 minutes in an hour there's 300 so you calculated it all out and he said as long as i can keep that pace i can do this that's what true was doing he wanted to do five a minute yeah so then he fell behind a little bit and uh i was having him get back up on because i showed up when he was about maybe 2,000 in. I flew in.

And he was doing pretty good, but he started to fall behind. So then I was getting him back up on that bar. And I'd look at the clock and say, you got to get back up there now. Let's go. Did you play him the scene where Adrian tells Rocky, win, Rocky. No, no. Just win. The one that Gogins likes is round 14

i think and when apollo had rocky hurt and then rocky gets up and apollo had his hands up and then he looks back and rocky's up and apollo just shakes his head and he's like i can't this fucker won't quit so that's what goggins goggins he replayed that over and over that's amazing yeah yeah that's isn't that funny but anyway goggins is like it's a so he's so powerful to so many people including my son so i mean it's it's um well i gotta say you raised two savage sons you did a pretty fucking good job yeah you really did thank you you have two amazing sons yeah tanner tanner right now is uh he's a stud last time i saw him was like look at you man yeah i remember when you were young yeah i know just a

few years ago he was a a boy now he's this big savage man yeah yeah he's uh and he's a ranger yeah he's in the army and uh beast yeah i mean i... No, Tanner and Truett, you should be very proud. You did an amazing job. And it's your example that you've set. And that's a powerful thing. It's not just powerful because you set that example, but you also set an example to them, and they will set examples to other people,

and it's a butterfly effect, and it'll pass on. There's a thing that you're doing that when putting out the kind of work that you do and the consistency that you do, people know that they can always come to your Instagram page and they're going to get this consistent message and consistent work ethic. That's very, it's fuel for people.

And it's wind. It's like wind on the sail. It pushes people. And you probably have no idea how many countless people you've inspired by doing that thank you yeah it's pretty amazing yeah i mean i i i feel lucky uh just to have the life that i have i mean it's uh you know i don't know i never would have envisioned this coming from where i came from do you also feel motivated because so many people are watching? Because so many people look up to you?

Yeah. I mean, I'm going to do what I do. You can't fake it for this long. I'm going to do what I do. But I also know that I got to hold myself accountable because people are paying attention. And I want to help them. I want to be, like you said, that wind in their sail. them i want to be i want to be like you said that wind in their sail and so i i owe it to well i was

i think for the most part i feel like i owe it to roy to give the best i have every day i think about him often people don't some people don't know who roy is yeah roy is my hunting partner who uh got me started in bow hunting back in 1988. And he died sheep hunting in 2015. And he fell. And so it's, you know, I think off the side of a mountain. Yeah, I felt I think about how he lived his life and how tough he was and and how what he meant to me. And I just, you know, so I want to honor him. I want to honor his memory and like I always say when I talk about Roy's legends never die and I don't want his legend

to die so um to me you know it's and I've talked about this before but even I've had a lot of hunting success and it just feels it's it's not quite the same because Roy's not here because I'm not able to share it with him and that was our we'd call and update if we weren't hunting together which we had two amazing hunts his last last year um right before he fell and uh it's like it's a little it's just different it's not the same and so i do do it for him i do it to uh i mean for my life you know i feel like i got to give the best i have and i do it you know to hopefully bend that be the wind and people sail and uh yeah i mean we're all connected in this weird way right that's what's interesting about uh social media there's a lot

of negative aspects of social media but there's's some positive aspects, too, that are undeniable. And one of them is that we all do inspire and motivate each other. And whether people inspire and motivate you because they look up to you or because they follow you and because they're interested in what you do or because you look up to them and you see them and you see how hard they're working and it makes you want to get after it. We imitate our atmosphere you know and if you are following good positive people good supportive positive people that are out there really putting in work and like it makes you want to be one of those people yeah i think so that's what how it works on me i do i tell uh you know we have a mutual friend aaron snyder i do tell him i miss the days a little bit where he used to talk shit about me.

Because he used to. Because it motivates you. Yeah, because I'm like, I told him, I texted him, I'm like, God, I miss the days where he used to talk shit. I said, I need that. I need the old Aaron back. Now he's super supportive. You know, and he's like. Goggins tells me that.

He goes, I like shit talking. Yeah. He goes, I like the haters. He goes, I think about them fucking haters when I get up in the morning yeah because I need those motherfuckers he says that I asked him specifically I asked Goggins specifically about that and about people who don't like him he's like good he goes I like it like that fuck them yeah I mean so you need it's weird it's it's a weird journey we're on where different things can motivate you at different times but i do some weird way like reading hate sometimes i don't know why well sometimes you need an extra little bit of gas need to extra little juice yeah and that

sometimes people wanting to prove people wrong yeah sometimes that's uh that's good yeah and it's also knowing that they're just bitches and you're not you know there's something about knowing that there's weak bitches out there in the world like oh look at you look at you cutie i couldn't imagine being one of those guys i could i could i could if everything went totally wrong you know if you just you make bad decisions you go on bad paths, you got bad friends, you get a bad job, you get a bad girlfriend or a bad wife, a bad life and bad habits. It could easily happen. Drugs and alcohol and stealing and lying.

And next thing you know, you hate yourself and you're 35 and you don't know why. You just like wish you were someone different and special. And then you see some guy out there just kicking ass yeah fuck him fuck you loser he's faking it he's doing this like i've heard people say all kinds of crazy shit there's this one dude that i follow he's a martial arts guy people always accusing him of speeding up his videos oh you know because he's so fast yeah there's people like that man they just don't want to believe that you and then there's other people that go god damn that guy's fast yeah i want to work out harder right you know it's all in who you are you know yeah and where you are in life yeah let's find this guy on instagram uh erickson samuel he's uh he's on uh instagram

and he's got these uh crazy videos of him doing kicks see if you could find it and just kick after kick after kick and super fast oh my god he's ridiculous yeah he's so it's not sped up right no no no no no no haters are saying yeah they're just haters yeah er I see okay Okay. There's a bunch of really good ones. Go to the... If you look at the grid, go to the second down on the left-hand side. On the far...

Yeah, watch this. Oh, this is just him doing a jump spinning kick. But there's some other ones, like the middle one in the top row. Go to the middle one in the top row. That one there. No, it's not. Watch how fast this motherfucker is so he does a

lot of these he's just really talented really skillful but he had to do a video addressing people that say that he's speeding up his videos yeah but that's how it always says these aren't the best videos he's got some other ones in there that are better is Is he good? Yeah, he's good. Does he compete? I don't,

he's definitely fought MMA. I don't know what his record are. I just like watching his videos. I had somebody yesterday say they were going to kill me and skin me. Like I do the animals. Interesting. Yeah. What a sweet person.

They must be a compassionate vegan. Yeah. So that's always fun. Yeah. I wonder. wonder yeah i wonder what they would say if they met you people they they get these ideas in their head that a person who hunts or a person who is a meat eater is causing all this terrible harm to the world and that they are a good person and that this person is bad and they're going to threaten that person and then somehow or another that's going to make it all, all better.

Or that they're showing you that, you know, they're there to stand up for the animals. And there's a lot of like mentally ill people too. Yeah. There's a lot of that. There's also a lot of people that they don't understand the harm they're doing. They don't understand the harm they're doing just by buying vegetables that grow in a monocrop situation. You know how much shit gets poisoned? Yeah.

How many animals get ground up when they're using the combines? Do you know what kind of damage it does to just an ecosystem when you run a monocrop operation like most of the food that you buy? Like human beings cause damage. We cause damage. I mean, we cause- If you're living, you're causing death. And you got to think like you personally are causing a small amount of damage.

Like you personally for the food that you eat are causing a small amount of damage. But if you stop and think about LA, like 20 million people and all the corn and all the soybeans and all the almonds you need for 20 million people, like that adds up and it adds up to devastation. Like that adds up and it adds up to devastation. It's crazy on wildlife and wildlife displacement and just how unnatural it is to have massive fields of any one particular crop. And all the animals that want to eat that stuff that get wiped out and killed and poison bugs and poison worms and all these different things that wind up getting wiped out. So much death. different things that wind up getting so much out so much death and then then because i kill a bull elk yeah and and honor every ounce of that meat like it was gold and you know and that's what i would say is people you know americans throw away 40 of their food did you know that yeah i've heard that 40 so part of that's going to be meat so as a hunter every ounce of meat is is i always say consider

like gold and then you got people judging you that are you know have a double bacon cheeseburger and they're like oh god i'm stuffed i can't eat another bite take this away it's like what are you doing yeah you paid for the death of that cow and you're so stuffed you're such a glutton that you're pushing it away and throwing in the garbage but you're but yet judging me? Well, people just love to judge people because it's better than looking at themselves. The thing about judging and attacking people online, it's a fun sport for people that don't have other hobbies. I guess so. I mean, that's what... I guess if I had to, if I could... If people could have a purpose. I mean, I just don't think people feel like they have a real purpose in, in life. So that's where, you know, as you know, Bo honey has given me a purpose.

It's like, Oh, this is what I do. So everything revolves around what I do. And so it's, I know people don't have, don't feel like they have a purpose. That's what I, it'd be nice. I think we'd be a lot happier society if people felt like they had they were here for a reason and had a purpose yeah and you know the there's no shortcuts in terms of your growth as a person and when you do have a purpose and you're pursuing that purpose and you realize each step along the way whether you're improving or whether you need to improve and you've got

you've got a task in front of you and you have this this direction and you have this uh this goal in life this this focus it gives you real live feedback on how good you're doing how where you need to improve how you're growing where you're failing and some And some people never get that. They don't have that. They just show up. They do the least amount that they can do to not get fired. And they go home and then they just sit around. And they watch things happen on television.

And they talk shit. That is, sadly, a lot of people's. And this is their existence. And this is this unfulfilled life. This is this unfulfilled time here and it's a miserable time because the more you seek this comfort, the more you seek this laziness

and this sloth and just laying around doing nothing, the more depressed you're gonna be because you're not gonna get that good feedback. You're not gonna get that growth. You're not gonna get that feeling of accomplishment. You're not gonna get any of the things that make life exciting one of the reasons why like people go why you get happy when you shoot an elk like the video that you and me uh

that from last year from my last year's hunt i'm like do you know how hard that is to do so hard you would know you shoot an animal that's 67 yards away and you have to make sure that you hit it right. If you don't hit it right, you're, you're wounding it. And then this, and it's also,

it's so difficult just to keep your nerves together when you're, you have this many hard aspects to doing that. And hundreds and hundreds of hours of practice have to be in place. Like you have, you can't like be learning that day and doing that that shit has to be dialed in but out of context it's for some people they're like whoa what's going on these guys are laughing exactly out of context why are you happy yeah you're happy because it is an incredibly difficult thing to do and there's a massive amount of relief

when you see that arrow boom go right into the pump station you're like we did it we did it all the practice paid off and then then it's just about respecting the animal and finding the animal and you know and and taking it apart and then eating it and and when you're eating that animal you're thinking when you're serving it to your family and your friends you're thinking about that moment you're thinking about the hard work that it took to make that happen. And it's all the more enjoyable. Yeah. And there is a switch. There's a switch from, it's almost like relief and happiness a little bit that you performed as you have practiced for, you said, hours and hours, hundreds of hours. And then that arrow went right where it's supposed to and you know that that's going to result in a humane death for the animal so then you switch because we went from that

um feeling good smiling to then the death of the animals we walked up and it's a complete night and day difference yeah it was uh then it was that that's where the respect came in and you're like here's this dead animal and it's then that's you're not smiling no you're not and for people who haven't been involved and don't know what it's like to take the life of something i mean everybody takes the life of something to live as we just talked about but when you haven't done it firsthand that can be hard to to understand yeah and i think our relationship with animals and food is skewed in this country because people are so aware of the horrors of factory farming.

And you think about that and a lot of people, they equate that with eating meat and it's, it's a really torturous and sick reality that that is how a lot of the food in this country is. That's how it's made. Yeah. That's how it's grown. That's how it's harvested.

It's these but the difference between factory farming and hunting elk in the mountains could not be further apart yeah couldn't be further apart no it couldn't you shoot one elk to eat it for a year it was uh i mean and the challenge i think especially what we do with the bow, the challenge is what makes it so rewarding to me. I remember my first hunt this year, just a couple of weeks ago in Oregon, it was a hundred, a hundred degrees, 90 degrees, full moon, the worst hunting conditions, you know, as people don't know, but a full moon means animals are out feeding because they can see at night. That means they're not out during the day. And then the heat keeps them suppressed, their activity suppressed. The bulls weren't really rutting. And my buddy,

who's a lineman, Kevin Akers, he's a lineman for PGE, hardworking guy, manual labor. We just love elk hunting. He comes down every year to hunt with me just because we enjoy the challenge and he loves elk hunting. And we were on day five and I remember he goes, he goes, man, this is almost turning into flirting with a grind, a little bit of a grind on this hunt. And I was just like, no, what? I said, it's only day five, dude. I said, I wish it was hotter. I wish there was two moons. And we were just having, you know, just joking around. He's always, always has a good attitude too. And it's just that challenge. So then when you have overcome that and you say you wish it was hotter, we'd quote Jocko

all the time. And he says, yeah, I wish it was hotter. He goes, that'd make the water source more valuable. Good, good. So anyway, when you have that mindset and you got to keep pushing and I, on that hunt, I was just covering mile after mile after mile, looking for a fresh sign because the elk weren't moving. So I'd do, you know, 10, 13 miles a day, just looking for a fresh track. And finally we saw Ron Hoffs, um, who has logged down there forever. He saw a fresh rub, a bull had torn up a tree

and that was a bull had moved so we were like okay all right now we're on to something a bull had been here last night because it was just from the rub wasn't there the day before it was there then so I'm like there's a bull in here we're gonna I'll find his track we're gonna find where they are and we went through and uh sure enough um that fifth evening of that hunt is when i got uh saw there's a bull up on the ridge bugling it actually funny i mean we're going through blackberries and there's a bear about 10 feet away and i had a bear tag too and i look at the bear and it looked like a pretty good bear and i'm like i know the bull was about 150 yards up the ridge and the there's a couple satellite bulls and i'm like god i could kill this bear as long as it doesn't death moan really loud

i could go kill so i come to full draw on the bear and it like looks through the blackberries at 10 feet away and sees me and takes off so i didn't i had to let up 10 feet away 10 feet yeah he was like from us to jamie i mean right in the black right there feeding because he was in the middle of blackbirds. Now a bear that's eating nothing but blackbirds would probably be insane and delicious. Oh, it'd be so good. It'd be so good.

And there's, so I had a bear tag, a mountain lion tag, a deer tag, and an elk tag. So I'm like, I'm ready to make something happen. Anyway, I was going to kill this bear, but he took off. And so then I was focused back up on the bull. And I get up there. And the bull hadn't bugled in a while. But I saw there was a spike and a satellite bull and a cow.

And I look up over the blackberries up on top of the ridge. And I see his antlers. And I was just like, Jesus, that's a big bull. So I turn out to Kevin. He was behind me. I go, giant bull. He didn't really know what I said. And I was just like, just stay here.

So I took off my boots and snuck up there. I was 55 yards from him and he was just laying there and I'm like there's no way he's gonna he's kind of facing quartering to me there's no way he's just gonna stay here with this is a rut I mean he's feeling it there's other bulls around here so I stayed there at 55 yards ranged him a few times just to verify he ends up standing up and turning to face uphill i come back 55 hold perfect and hit him with a perfect arrow and he went 30 yards and was dead in seconds but so when you go from the point to all that was that whole challenge of not seeing anything sweating your ass off covering 13 miles a day looking for fresh sign when that cumulates in a giant seven by six bull falling in 30 yards it i mean there's relief happiness

it's as you say you've just achieved this this goal that i don't even know it's so hard to explain how difficult it is but that's what people see. So they see that. And in context, you can't capture a week of hunting and sweating your ass off and being in the sun. Also, you can't explain how many people fail at this. Everyone. There's a 10% success rate amongst good hunters. That's on any elk. But you start talking about big bulls.

I mean, it's less than 1% of hunters. Especially bow hunting. Bow hunting for big bulls. And it's like, so that, it's hard not to feel happy. But it's not that you're happy with the death of the animal. You're happy because you worked your ass off and you achieved a goal. And that would be anybody, that would be anybody that would be anybody. Now, when you transition to, you walk up and the animal's dead, then there's reverence, you know? And so there's, there's that

change. And, um, I think people do it just like you, you know, now, cause now you've done it, but it's, you can't blame people who haven't done it for not knowing no and it's it's so hard when you're watching if you ever watch a hunting television show most of them i mean there's a few that do a good job of sort of explaining capturing what it's like but most of them no don't there's a lot of flashy music and you know the kill shot and everybody's celebrating high fives and fist bumps. People don't know. They don't know.

You're seeing 22 minutes of something that probably took many, many days. Yeah. And a lot of struggle and so much training to get to that point where you could pull that off. Yeah. Both cardio, hill running, all the different things you have to do, and then shooting the bow constantly. With a rifle, you could pick up a rifle and not having shot for years and as long as you understand the principles of shooting a gun correctly and getting a surprise shot you can if you're shooting off sticks you could put that crosshair on an animal and pull pull pull blam and shoot the animal it can be done you know i would recommend you practice

but you can pull it off yeah there's no fucking way you're going to be able to pull off a long shot with a bow if you don't practice you just can't do it no and people who even practice every day fail because it's nerves nerves are crazy nerves are a weird thing man it's like it protects you because like it's an animal i gotta run like like the like when you're in a situation where you need that adrenaline because your body's got to get the fuck out of there and do superhuman things as fast as you can. Right. Then in a situation like elk hunting, now you have to keep those nerves calm. It's the weirdest thing. For someone, like, especially, I know there's a few fighters that have gotten into bow hunting.

Because especially, I know there's a few fighters that have gotten into bow hunting. And fighters are used to just, in the moment, just fighting. Like moving quick and reacting. But bow hunting, you have to stay calm. You have to keep your heart rate in check. You have to be in the moment and just concentrate on the shot process. And don't get caught up in it. Don't let that anxiety get you. That's hard. That's hard for people. There's so many little mental games going on.

And there's, and there's also not knowing exactly when to hurry, when to slow down, what you can get away with. You're reading the animal, you're reading their body language. You don't know whether to, to close the gap between you and them quickly, or it's time to be patient, you don't know what the wind's gonna do. There's so many things. That's why I always say, like, the better shape I'm in, I can make better decisions on all those micro decisions. Yeah.

You know, and that's what leads ultimately to success. It's not running 10 miles a day, but that plays into all better decisions a thousand times. And there's some, I mean, I think that any really difficult thing that you do in this life, it elevates your ability to do difficult things. It elevates your understanding of who you are as a person and where you stand right now in this moment. And there's very few of those things that also sustain you with food. And this is the crazy combination of what bow hunting is. It's both a physical pursuit, a mental challenge, and sustenance.

It's all these things together. So powerful. An amazing combination. Yeah. Changed my life. It really did. It's changed how I feel about food. It's changed my life it's really dead it's changed how i feel about food it's changed my relationship with meat you know and that's why you offered to write the foreword of my book yes

i'm excited to do it i've already got ideas i'll tell you after i'm done i don't want to tell you anything i just want you to read it when it's done okay let's get the fuck out of here we're going hunting next week buddy i'm excited i can't wait utah yeah here we go all right goodbye everybody thank you and uh keep hammering