The Joe Rogan Experience - #1548 - Roy Jones Jr.

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

Pro boxer Roy Jones Jr. captured championships in numerous weight divisions, at one time holding a record-breaking seven heavyweight belts simultaneously. In 2003, Jones made history by becoming the first middleweight champion to win a heavyweight title in 106 years. Jones officially retired from the sport in 2017, but signed on earlier this year to fight Mike Tyson in an highly anticipated exhibition bout.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Roy Jones Jr., ladies and gentlemen. What's up, my brother? How you doing? I'm honored to have you in here. I've been a fan forever. I noticed and I was going to tell you that I'm very happy to be here for you and for me because I've been a fan of yours as well, But I always love the support that you give me. You've always supported me since day one.

You've been one of the best people that I could hear talk about me since day one. So I just want to say thank you, man, for all the support, for being a brother. Thank you, sir. Thank you. My pleasure. I feel like we're brothers now, you know? For sure. I've been a fan forever.

Thank you. From way back in the day you know your song Y'all Must Have Forgot I didn't forget shit I remember all of it man I remember when your fights were basically executions yes exactly there was some years man where you would just like see how is this guy

gonna survive and how long and you had there was a time in your career when you were at your peak where you had devised this style that was so different than anyone else's. Very few jabs you would throw. A lead hook. No one knew how to prepare for it because there was no sparring partners that could emulate it. Your speed was off the charts.

Your movement was off the charts. I think to this day, you're the only person in CompuBox history that went a full round without having a single punch scored on him. And they say I'm not the best defensive fighter ever. Listen, man. No one's ever... I mean, maybe Willie Pepp might have done that back in the day.

Before CompuBox. Since CompuBox era, nobody has ever gone a complete round without getting a punch scored on them. That's ridiculous. You tell me he ain't the best pound for pound, or he ain't the best at least defensive fighter, and we know about the offense, but I don't argue. I just listen to what people say.

No, there was a time where I always said, like, people would say, oh, but he didn't fight anybody. I'm like, the fuck he didn't. They just couldn't compete. That's all it was. You fought world champions. Like the song say, I just make them look like nobody. Y'all must have forgot.

You had such a strange style, man. How did you devise that style? Honestly, man, it was a lot. My father was a fighter who was trained by Sarge Johnson in, I think, some part of the armed services. Anyway, my father learned a lot, but he also learned a lot of things not to do. So by learning those things, he was able to give me a very good foundation. With that foundation, my father had roosters, fighting roosters when I was young. So I would watch the roosters all the time because roosters develop a pecking order.

young. So I would watch the roosters all the time because roosters develop a pecking order. And people always talk about fighting animals, this, that. They develop a pecking order on their own anyway. They're going to do that anyway. So I would always watch them to figure out what made one the king of the pecking order.

What made him better than the rest? And when I learned what that was, it was a few things I figured out. Once I would figure them out, I started emulating those things in my boxing style. So from fighting chickens. Yes. What was the thing that you noticed? Well, first of all, the one that usually was on top, he knew and he cared for the error of confidence that he was going to be messed with.

So when he fight, he do a lot more faking, a lot more faking, never let them know when he coming. All of a sudden, there he goes. And he stayed powerful. He stayed the same the whole day. And it's like any time he wouldn't against anybody, he did the same thing. He used the same fakes, same fakes. And he often would do things that other chickens just didn't know to do.

But that's God-given. Man didn't teach them that but that's God given mmm man didn't teach them that God gave him that so if you learn his characteristics which I watch how you care yourself all day long the way he cared itself when he wasn't around others the way he got rid of when others came around people say people used to think that I was very egotistical I've never been an egotistical person but what I was was a highly confident person. I'm God's game rooster.

You feel me? You bring another one around, guess what? I'm ready to defend my turf. That's a funny thing to say to a world champion fighter who's one of the greatest of all time. You're egotistical. I mean, listen, if you're not confident, you don't get to that place. Never ever.

Impossible. You have to have a belief in yourself. You're not confident. You don't get to that place. Never, ever. Impossible. Never, ever. You have to have a belief in yourself. There's no other way. If you don't, who's going to believe in you? Yeah, nobody. I was a fan back when you got fucked over in the Olympics, man. God damn, did they ruin that.

That was terrible. That was one of the worst Olympic decisions I've ever seen in my life. Maybe the worst. It was so bad, but it was in Korea my life maybe the worst it was so bad but it was in Korea right yep it was a Seoul South Korea in the Korean fighter yeah god damn that was ridiculous it was one of those fights where you like well he got the gold medal clear and then you see the decision you jaw drops you know like what is this it hurt the sport of boxing especially amateur boxing it hurt it because when you can take a

kid 19 years old he defeats his rival clearly and you rob him it really eliminates the integrity of that sport yeah and you still don't go back and fix it nobody to this day has come back and tried to fix it they gave me olympic orders they gave me the Val Barker Cup, which is for the best boxer at the Olympics. Well, that's a contradiction. That's a contradiction. How is the best boxer here not wearing a gold medal? Yeah. It was bad, but it also was, in one way, it made people really root for you.

It was a blessing in disguise. And I understood that the second day, I think I might have cried the whole first day. But the second day, well, I didn't cry until after I went to the back and asked the interpreter to ask him if he really thought he beat me. Because if he said yes, then he didn't know it, but he was going to get another one.

But he said, no, I know I didn't win, but it wasn't my fault. It was the judge's. I shook his hand, and I left. And I never had another bad feeling towards him because he didn't do it. You feel me? You're right, for sure. You have to understand what is coming.

But then I also realized that not only were the judges not necessarily, they ought to be blamed, but what God did was take their negative and turn it into a positive for me. And look where I'm at now. It was a big talk. I remember when you began your career, there was a big talk of your career, how you got fucked over in the Olympics.

It wasn't a question. Not at all. There was no debate. I never saw a single person that made an argument that he won. Nope. It was all you. And so that when you began your career, you had a lot of people rooting for you yes and that was a beautiful thing that that's

the blessing uh above all for me because to me it was god's way of making me not put my life on idle but turn me up on high yeah i had no clue what he was doing but that's why you're just trusting god look where you at now yeah i remember when you fought james tony and that was a big fight because james tony was in his prime and you were in your prime and uh again you caught him with that leaping left hook man that crazy left hook and dropped him when you when you beat james tony like that i think a lot of people had to go whoa like he can do this to an elite top of the food chain world champion that's what makes a real superior athlete not that you can do it to guys who are beneath you but you can do it to guys who are supposed

to be your equal or above you that's when you're really doing it now people maybe people don't know but you have been active and you fought up until about what like two years ago 2018 yep so you decided you're done or were you 100 done or were you just 100 done 100 how did tell me walk me through this call how do you get this call to fight mike tyson well uh one of his guys azim calls mcgee and tells mcgee my my partner to tell me to call so i call azim azim says hey Mike wants to do a comeback he wants to do an exhibition but he wants you to be his dance partner me yeah I said okay well let's see if we can work out he said yeah we got a lot of different situations going on but they want to do it in a different format and they want to do it in a way that you and Michael are taking care of and everything is good

well that didn't try to be necessarily what the case was, but me being Roy Jones Jr. and us being in COVID, I'm like, you know what? Six weeks, that's right around the corner. He ain't been fighting. I can get ready. I'm pretty sure I can get a little bit more ready than he can because he's been inactive a lot longer than I have. So six weeks, I know it's Mike Tyson.

He's big as heck and he's dear Mike Tyson and he still can punch but six weeks it's no way he can get prepared for this so I said you know what I'll take that and I jumped on well lo and behold something happens and they changed now why did they change what was the did they give a reason they said something about marketing they told me something about marketing but I don't really believe much of what was said I mean I just can't believe it you know because we had a September 12th day that was before football season start basketball may have started but people at home with nothing to do and that's why I was like you know what I wanted him when I was in my prime so why not take him now I mean 12 I mean six weeks that's easy and

they said well we got more attention than we expected to get and this happened and that happened so we want to move it man so I was thinking about it and Dean too my guy he posted something about the new date on my site and when he did that it was like well that means that you admit it that you agreed to it I didn't but okay that's how it goes I'll be that guy you know I'll back out of nothing ain't like I'm scared of Mike Tyson cause he's Mike Tyson it's just I know that in six weeks he had no chance to deal with me you understand me in 12 weeks well he make it a little bit he'll have a better chance to deal

with me but his chance is still gonna be rough but it's gonna be better than it would have been in six weeks because six weeks he didn't have a chance now during the time where you were off were you working out were you still staying fit because you you always stayed slim you look good i have to work out because i train a lot of guys. And when you train guys, for me, I like to not only just teach them, I like to also give them an example. The best example is the best that I think did what I'm teaching them. And I want to teach them what I learned and what my style was. So I like to be able to demonstrate by example, lead by example.

So do you have young guys that fight in your style? They are trying to. It's hard to say they fight in my style. I don't really necessarily teach them to fight like me. My style is not necessarily just me. My style means that you know how to counter everything. You know offense, you know

defense, you know footwork, you know everything. Every aspect of boxing is what my style is. Now the craziness, that's your individual person. Right. Your DNA will decide what you do with that. What I do is I try to make guys comfortable and to give them every opportunity to execute on another guy's mistakes. If I can make you do that and have you always prepare for the next move, then that's my style.

Your style required extreme physical attributes, though. Well, physical attributes, it does require extreme attributes. But when you come and watch one of my classes, like I got an apprentice over in Sweden. I got an apprentice over in South Africa. I got a few apprentices that I've been teaching. I got one out in Washington State. And when I teach them, they understand that, yeah, people blame it on athleticism, but

it's not all athleticism. There's a lot more knowledge to it than people ever would begin to understand. You understand me? So, yeah, people say, ah, he was just a super athlete. No. Take me back. I can go visually or verbally walking through every knockout that I got

or every setup to the knockout before it happened. Sometimes rounds before it happened. Sometimes you want it to happen quick. I can tell you exactly what happened, exactly what I saw and why I did what I did. Is that physical attributes? No, there's no way it could be just that. It's impossible. You you gotta know a lot

there's a lot of freak athletes of course of course you had freak athleticism as well as like an insane comprehensive understanding of boxing that's what that's what makes it great right yeah you gotta have a insane comprehension but what i do have the freak the freak the freakiness about me is my hand speed because how can i still be this fast at 51 years old? I was watching you hit the pads. Holy cow. I'd be looking at it. I'd be saying, whoa, is that?

Yeah. I mean. Double, triple, quadruple, left hands in a row. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. How? Yeah. It's crazy. We were just talking about that at 51.

I know. It's not 51 like in the day. No. Back in the day, 51 was done. Oh, 51 was over with. It's different today with the new training methods and understanding of the human body and supplements. People are different. But you were always different, too.

I always tell people, you had crazy biceps but small triceps. You were built to throw hooks. Exactly. If you look at your body when you were in your prime, you had these- Best hook in the game. No, it's still like this. Look at that thing. Look at that thing. Look at that that's why i see them the best hook in the game yeah that's nuts man that's a serious imbalance now when you train young guys what do you what do you when you're you're showing them your style do you try to get them left hook heavy the way you are do you just

let them do whatever their style is and just teach them what you know about boxing i take whatever you got whatever your best attributes are and we work from there i am not god i cannot reinvent the wheel you feel me? I can invent some stuff But not the wheel The wheel was already made Like it is You can't reinvent the wheel So what I do is

Whatever God has given you We try to take that And take that to the next level Now you get this phone call Do you just immediately Start training? And when you immediately Start training

How are you ramping up For a fight like that? You know it's like I heard Mike say something about When he started training he was in the bed for a week yeah i went in the bed for a week because i was going a lot already but i was a sore person for a couple days did you you mean did it feel good to say oh wow i got a big fight coming up i got a goal we're back i was excited yeah because it's mike tyson so it's like in most cases you'll say yes i got a big fight on on on on the road coming you know but this time i was like you know what

your buddy get in a little shape because you are going there with mike tyson yeah you don't know what you don't know what mike tyson might come in there dude you don't know if you got to protect your ears your chin your jaw you don't know what he might do. So what you better do is get in shape and be prepared for whatever Mike, whichever Mike shows up. Yeah, when I read that it was going to be an exhibition, they weren't going to try and knock each other out. I went, the fuck out of here. I mean,

you think about it. Oh, it's an exhibition, but we got 12-ounce gloves. But it's an exhibition. Exhibition. No headgear. Exhibition. Judges. I mean. It's still Mike Tyson. And exhibition. Mike Tyson who knocked Corey Sanders down in the first round of an exhibition back in 2004. Correct. So what is your definition of an exhibition? Because going in the ring with Mike Tyson has nothing exhibitionist about it.

No, he doesn't have that in him. When you watch him spar, his sparring was fights. Nothing exhibitionist about it. No, he doesn't have that in him. When you watch him spar, his sparring was fights. Nothing exhibitionist about it. Yeah, they were fights. His sparring was fights. Everything he does is a fight. Yeah. Now, you said that he was always kind of on your radar. He was.

When you were the heavyweight champ, when you beat John Ruiz. He was the only other person I would have fought as a heavyweight. Really? Because he was the youngest heavyweight champ ever. And to be honest, I probably was the only other person I would have fought as a heavyweight. Really? Because he was the youngest heavyweight champion ever. And to be honest, I probably was the lightest. I started lighter than anybody, only junior middleweight to ever go win a heavyweight title. So I was the smallest guy to ever come up and win a heavyweight title.

How much did you weigh when you fought Ruiz? 200. 200. Wow. And so did you think when you were getting ready to fight, like, what do you walk around at right now? Now I'm heavier than I was then. Really? Yeah, now I walk around like 220 sometimes. 220?

I've been up to 220. So do you feel good at 220, or would you like to be lighter when you fight him? I'm at about 210 now, and this is where I want to be at. Right there. My hands fast as ever, still a lot of mobility, not too much weight on these knees, so feel pretty good at 210 so i think i'm gonna stay around this area that's not much different than him because when he was in his prime he was about 215 i mean he was a light heavyweight you know for a lighter rather heavyweight a light explosive heavyweight yeah super super explosive heavyweight so it's like size doesn't really matter with mike i mean mean, it mattered with Ruiz because I knew I was going to push a little bit in the hole.

But Mike's size don't really matter. Now, when you decided to go up and fight Ruiz for the heavyweight title, did you think that was one and done? Or did you think once I win that title, maybe I'll defend it a few times? What was your thoughts getting ready for that fight? So as you know me, I'm a man of my word. I try to be. And I said I wanted to go do what Bob Fitzsimmons did,

but I was going to add a little bit to it because I was also super middleweight champion, which was a division that wasn't around when Bob Fitzsimmons did this in 1896. Well, what Bob Fitzsimmons did was he won the middleweight title, the light heavyweight title, the heavyweight title, and then he recaptured the light heavyweight title. That's a big segment of the whole thing, recapturing the light heavyweight title. So if I go up and do what I did, win the heavyweight title, and don't recapture the light heavyweight title, I can't look you in your eyes and say, I did what Bob Fitzsimmons did. Because I didn't look you in your eyes and say I did what Bob Fitzsimmons did because I didn't. Right.

I did a part of what he did, but the hardest part is to come back from heavyweight and recapture that light heavyweight title. That's why I came back and did it. But before I departed the heavyweight division, I would have fought Mike Tyson because of what I told you earlier. He was the youngest heavyweight champ of all time. To me, he was one of the most explosive

entertaining guys you want to see because you never know what he's going to do and it's the same reason i'm going in with him right now because he's explosive entertaining and you never know what he's gonna do i mean both of you were in that naz song you know that song yeah the new mike tyson's roy jones and that's a line exactly yeah i mean very similar in that regard that you both were so dominant over your divisions when you were in your prime that those fights were like executions of course why didn't that fight take place back then because nobody ever saw me coming to heavyweight back then and by the time i did it he was already on the way out of boxing he already had departed so people say um i think they say

someone told him that i was offered 40 million to fight mike tyson no i wasn't if i was offered 40 million we've been fighting i mean i tell people today like they always talk about you know what's going on with the zone and all these fighters listen man if i was in today's time and i was roy jones the same where jones am, if they told me, Roy, we'll pay you $20 million per fight for five fights, we get to pick the opponents. I say, matter of fact, don't even worry about picking an opponent.

Y'all call me, tell me what day I'm fighting, what weight I'm fighting at, and I don't care who it is. Just tell me when I'm fighting, and what weight I need to be. I believe it. You understand me? That's who I am. So it's like when they talk about I would have fought. No.

They would have offered me for me to fight. If Mike would have just said, yeah, I would have fought him for whatever we fought for. That's how bad I wanted to fight him back then. People love to talk, though. Yeah. They just say a lot of stupid shit that doesn't make sense. But that's just, people need something to talk about. Well, I know.

But I'm just saying, I'd be willing to clear it up because I was not offered money to fight Mike back then. If I would have been, if I would have, I would have fought Mike back then not offered money to fight mike back then if i would have been if i would have i would have fought mike back then i wanted to fight mike he's the only other heavyweight i would have fought everybody else i was like no i'm not giving y'all the opportunity i'm first of all i'm a small guy coming up to the heavyweight division right i don't belong up here anyway i just wanted to do what bob fitzsimmons did and prove i could do it or see if i could do it because shigwai robson tried to go win the light heavyweight title and he passed out yeah so he didn't win didn't win it. So, of course, we always want to try or challenge ourselves. I want to see what the Scott Woodruff feels.

Can I win the heavyweight title? Am I really that good, as good as I think I am? Maybe I am. Let's find out. Now, how difficult was it to get from 200 pounds to go all the way back down to 175? That was the hardest thing I ever did in my life. 25 pounds of muscle put on by Maggie Sh to 175. That was the hardest thing I ever did in my life. 25 pounds of muscle put on by Maggie Shillstone.

That's the difference. Because if you look at you when you fought Ruiz, there was nothing to be lost. 25 pounds of pure muscle. So that first fight, I went on pure heart. With Tarver. Pure heart. That's when people, and I had people even

text me and call me and tell me, you know, I was a fan. I liked you. But I like you a whole lot more now because I realize what you really are. I never knew you had that big of a heart. That was a big transition for you. I mean, and maybe a bad transition to go from heavyweight down to light heavyweight again. Because you could see physically you weren't the same. Because that weight cut you were struggling and that was the talk of all the commentators they were like what is what is happening to his body that he's going from 200

pounds ripped down to 175 and then competing i mean you you must have cut an extreme amount of weight for the weight like and was this the day before weigh-ins or the day of way it was day before but it didn't matter because i had pulled so much muscle off yeah so you couldn't you can't put that back right you know i mean so i couldn't put that back but it was was so ironic about that is that as weak as i was he still couldn't get me out because my mind said i gotta do a bar fit someone said did i mean so because my mind was locked on something you can't get me out of there my mind locked in i was weak as i probably ever have been my mind said no we're gonna forget this and i got it and then you went and fought him again yeah then that's i probably shouldn't have because like i said my body hadn't

came back yet and i and i didn't have nothing mentally to get there i was just doing because people said well he gave you a hard time okay well, well, I ain't scared to fight nobody. So y'all want me to fight him again? Sure, why not? But I had nothing to gain. So it was a little bit harder. So he closed his eyes, got lucky. It's called good.

But, I mean, hey, it's boxing, you know. For me, though, that first win was one of the most impressive wins of my career because it's the first time I ever had to win a fight with strictly my heart. Because your body just wasn't performing right. Body wasn't there't there now when you were walking around after the Ruiz fight like what did you what did you weigh when you started cutting down for the Tarver fight 203 203 and how did you do it like what what did what kind of were you doing crazy cardio like what were you doing to try to lose all that weight crazy cardio is the only way i ever did it only way i ever did i run two sometimes three times a day just to get the weight down yep that's the only way i ever lost rubber suits the whole time god damn what kind of a impact must that have had on your

body well that's what people fail to realize now i hear kids talk about we couldn't make weight or we couldn't man don't tell me. I'm from the old school. Don't tell me none of this new school stuff. You couldn't lose a pound? Don't tell me that. When I was an amateur, my dad made me go down to 147 for the Eastern Olympic trials. I fought that night. I made 147.

I fought that night. I got out to fight. I went and got on the scale. I was 165 pounds. I had to fight. I went and got on the scale. I was 165 pounds. I had to fight the next day at 147. I had to make weight the next morning. Wait a minute. Ran all night.

7.30 the next morning, I got all the way down to 148 and a half. And I said, I can't go no more. My dad said, why? You can't lose more? You can lose another pound? No, pound and a half. I said, no, because it hit more. My dad's like, why you can't lose more? You can lose another pound. No, pound and a half. I said, no, because it hit me and it was God talking to me.

I know it was God talking to me. How you going to do this every night in an unfamiliar country? You don't know if it's going to be cold. You don't know if it's going to rain. You're not going to know where to go run at. You might not even be allowed to go out and run in the area you are.

So if you make the Olympics at this weight, how you going to make weight every night? You went from 147 to 165 yeah that's a big jump then back down to 148 and a half and you tell me y'all can't lose a pound or two pounds get out of here with that bro so was that when you made a decision to go up yeah i was already up he made me come down then i went back how old were you then 17 oh so your body's just starting to get 18 18 you're filling out 18 that's yeah it's i think one of the big problems with mma as opposed to boxing is there's a very limited number of weight classes yes i think there's a lot of fighters that ruin their body cutting too

much weight and going down and you hear about these guys sometimes they get so dehydrated they pass out i had that happen to me before yeah yeah so i understand i know how it goes but there's a science to it and there's a limit that you should do it to but you gotta know the science and know the limit to how far you can go you don't ration that out then it's bad for you yeah there's a lot of guys that are very good at it but ultimately the damage that it does particularly to your kidneys it's just it's not worth it i wish mma had more weight classes i don't know if boxing is the right number because like there's a lot in boxing you know sometimes it's like 47 54 60 68 like there's so many weight classes but there's

a good argument that that's better and when you look at boxing there's so many weight classes. But there's a good argument that that's better. And when you look at boxing, there's so many super fights that can be had too because there's champions that are so close to each other. Yeah. Just a few pounds here or there. It's better because it gives a lot more people the opportunity to become world champions. But at the same time, like you said, if they cut it back down to eight weight classes, only the strong are going to survive, baby.

We've got to go. That's go. We'll cut out some of these paper champions. They'll get cut out real quick. So do you think it'd be better that way? I know it would be that way. Look, I won a title from, I mean, I fought from junior middleweight to heavyweight. All reason I didn't win a title at junior middleweight is because my daddy wouldn't let me fight for one.

And I knew I was going to outgrow the weight class. So I told him I wanted to fight Gio Franco Rossi early because if I can fight Rossi now vacate the title because I ain't gonna be able to stay there this weight no way and he didn't let me do it but I would have had titles from 54 already heavyweight wow that would have been unprecedented of course what made you go from 68 to 75 I ran out of competition I always just went to whoever the competition was so after I beat James the fault pansions I think then they start giving me the god bless today but Tony Thornton's and no more contenders that really the world didn't know I want to go up and fight

somebody that the world knew, which was like a Virgil Hill type guy, Reggie Johnson type guy. So I went to send a fire to Lou DelVal. I went to send a fire to make bigger, better fights. Those guys were all bigger than me too. But I went wherever I had to go to make fights. So it's like people often, I mean, there's a guy, the guy that used to coach Triple G, I can't think of his name,

Abel Sanchez. I said, Triple G should have went up a long time ago and tried Andre Ward. He's only eight pounds. Right. But Abel Sanchez said, oh, he's too little to do that. Well, he's fighting 68 now. Yeah. You understand me?

Canelo went all the way from 54 to 75. So how you tell me he's too little? Then you say, oh, you did it against a bomb. Mike McCallum, a bomb, ever, gave James Toney two of the hardest fights of James Toney's career before me. And Montel Griffin did it. So... Knocked out Milton McCrory.

You feel me? So, you tell me he was a bomb. Yeah. But I fight him and say, oh, he a little bit older, but like you said, look at us now. Oh, he knocked out Donald Curry. Donald Curry, that's right. Yeah, that Donald Curry knockout made me so sad. I was a giant Donald Curry fan and I, that's right. Yeah, that Donald Curry knockout made me so sad. I was a giant Donald Curry fan, and I was rooting for him. I got my shoes on. I'm running.

I ran like three miles, and I came home, and I said, I am never investing that much in a fighter again. Because it was like I lost. Because I remember he caught him with that left hook to the body and then a left hook to the chin. And I went, oh, no. And seeing Donald laid out on the canvas, I was like, fuck. Because when Donald knocked out McCrory, when Donald knocked out Milton McCrory, I remember

thinking like, damn, like he is so fast. Yes. You know, he was so, he was the Cobra, you know. I want to say the Cobra. Woo. He was so fast. And then when he got KO'd like that, I was like, I can't believe this is happening. I had to go running.

I know. It was bad. But for Abe to say i fought a bomb no it's crazy i mean so it was an animal yeah to me you you're trying to no cover hopkins you've got no but you're covering up for what you're not doing because the triple g was good we said yeah what's one more weight class canelo came to him i mean to me you cheated triple g out of opportunity yeah if he didn't want he'd won the pound for pound. You can't say John Ruiz is the greatest heavyweight of all time. No, you can't.

But he was no bum. No, he wasn't. He beat Holyfield. Yeah, exactly. Knock Holyfield down with the right hand. Exactly. Aimed for two or three people. Knock Holyfield down.

Right, yeah. He was one of them. He was a tough guy. Of course he was. Very tough guy. It's just you had the style to beat him. He just couldn't compete with your speed and your fluidity and your understanding of distance like you just controlled that fight i try to teach guys every up every way

every aspect of boxing so that you understand some guys because you're tall you're gonna have to fight close sometimes because there are guys that realize you're tall and they know they got to get close to you to win that's their best opportunity hackler hearns so you got to get close yeah look what haggler deep yeah took him out but her was trying her was trying because her knows how to fight close too yeah just that he's not in condition to fight close for a long time because that's not what he trains and doing well haggler had a ridiculous chin too it was what ridiculous ran it ridiculous ran it yeah yeah it was one guy knocked him down but it was a knocked down

his entire career yeah who was it that knocked him down i'm trying to remember the name i don't even know who knocked i don't remember the dude juan roldan was it domingo one to me it might have been one rolled in yeah and then haggler eventually stopped yeah you know what i heard the elementary passed too how did he yeah he? Yeah. I was saddened to hear that because those days were the real days of boxing.

Oh, yeah. Almost one champion, maybe two, but most of one champion knew who the champ was at every weight class. I remember when they started adding

IBF and WBO. How many champs are you going to have? Well, see, my point though is here's my problem then. I don't have a problem with you having more champs,

but why not make every champ have to fight one another to find out who is the champ? Right. When I was a light heavyweight, I had seven of the eight known available belts, and the only reason I didn't have the eighth one is because I wasn't going to Germany to take all my seven belts for that one belt, and they may rob me because I got robbed in Seoul, Korea. So I learned my lesson. I can't go way over there to fight Darius,

and I'm the man right now. He needs to come see me. If you're offering to buy me to come see me, he turned it down. So what does that tell you? He don't want this smoke. But if I could have got it, if I could have got it,

I'd have had every belt at Light Heavyweight because that's who I am. So I feel like any fighter that is aspiring to be champ or is champ, if you don't want every belt in your weight class, you don't thank you the best. Yeah, it should be, if you're calling someone a world champion, they really should fight the other world champions. If you're going to have a bunch of different sanctioning bodies, if they're available, they should have to fight each other. Every year, the East play the West in the NBA for the championship. Every year, the AFC play

the NFC in football. Every year, the American League plays the National League. Every year. So it's like, come on baby, at some point we got to prove that somewhere y'all got to show me who the real man is. And that's what I wanted to do. That's why I had seven that I knew of.

And I didn't care what they was. You could have put any letter on them. If they were known belts, if you can call me and tell me y'all got a president, I need that belt. Yeah, it was simpler times back in the day. For me, it was. When there was one champion in each weight class. But you got to also understand that a lot of this stuff happens because of promoters. So because I was doing my own thing, I could do what I wanted to do when I got ready.

That's why I used to tell them, y'all can call me. It ain't hard to get a fight with Roy Jones. You just call me. Either call me or get a belt. I don't care what belt it is. It could be the National Walmart belt. If it's light heavy heaven i want that yeah it when you go back to the haggard days like how many belts were there it was only one or two then maybe one wba and then wc i think yeah yeah you know what i watched the other day haggler

versus mugabe that was that again that was a good fight that was good yes he would but he wouldn't have it there's a time in the fight where he hits haggard with an uppercut he snaps haggard's head back and haggler just right back at him right back like it was nothing like it didn't even work haggler was in my dynamite dozen that i learned things from as a kid and what i learned from haggler was consistency he wore the same maroon and white trunks and he was the same warvin haggler every time you saw him. If you fought Hagler, guess what you're going to get? Hagler. Yep. Yeah, he was so disciplined too.

So disciplined. Yes. I think he was training for Mustafa Hampshire. I forget who he was training for, but it was when I was a kid. I was living in Boston and I was watching this thing they had on the news where Hagler was running down the Cape, Cape Cod, in the wintertime, running the sand dudes, screaming war. And I got chills.

I got goosebumps just watching, like, just the discipline that man had. He was never out of shape. He psyched himself out the whole training camp. Oh, yeah. Every day. Every day. Every day. He just had to, what a mind he had.

I mean, he just was so, it was just so fierce you know as a champion but once again see what i liked about people like marvin he was so consistent that not one time did he not make weight right he wasn't going up to meet you he wasn't going down to meet you right meet him at 160 he'll fight him okay don't care what your name is 160 come on yeah and I love the fact that when he fought Sugar Ray

and I kind of gave it to him I mean I'd have to watch it I'd have to watch it again now as an adult but I remember when I watched it back then I thought he won the fight and he just said that's it

I'm done never came back went to Italy started making movies you ever watch some of those movies? I ain't never watched them but I see him every night in it they're hilarious he's still in good shape looks really good he talks great yeah I mean he has no problems at all no which is amazing yeah it's beautiful to see

someone get out clean of course and have a new life after yes yes but for me for Marvin um I thought that fight after I looked at it as an adult, too, I thought the fight should have been called a draw at least, or at best. And I understood why Sugar won it, because Sugar painted a picture before the fight that I'm not even supposed to be in here. Right, right. You understand me? So anything he did, he's going to get two points for it, whereas Hagel was going to get one. Yeah. Because Sugar painted a picture to the public that I'm not even supposed to be in here with this monster it's always a problem judging underdogs

right you feel me so that's that's why and the fans he also knows how to play with the crowd yeah so sugar used his brain and got the decision that night but if you look at the actuality of the fight it either was a draw or you probably could have gave the haggler but because he was champ yeah but i would have said looking at it as an adult i would have probably scored a draw but both of them put on an immaculate fight that night it was a beautiful fight for me because sugar came back and like i said he painted that picture like i shouldn't even be in here and he was really phenomenal for what he had been all five years. So he made it look like I'm defeating the odds.

And everything he did, he did it to such a high level that it made it look like he did defeat the odds. When you were coming up, did you watch a lot of films of the greats? Well, I only watched a few guys. And I can tell you a lot of the guys I watched. One was, I used to watch Salvador Sanchez every opportunity I got because to me he was the best offensive minded guy of all. What a tragedy that guy died so young. Yes, because my dream fight, this is why I get so pissed off about fights

not happening. Like right now, I'm mad because Crawford and Spence aren't getting the opportunity to fight one another. One of my dream fights was Isibio Pedroza versus Salvador Sanchez. Both of the featherweight champions. One but two champs back then. The two featherweight champs, the best at the division.

I want to see them lock up, see who wins that because I love both of them. I love Pedroza because of his bolo punches and because of his knowledge inside. He was a real smart but dirty guy inside the ring, right? But Salvador has so much offense that I wanted to know how was he going to keep Salvador off of him with the offense. And then Salvador, unfortunately, was killed in a car wreck. And that just blew my mega fight away. That was my mega fight probably besides Hearns Leonard.

That was my other mega fight to me. The original Hearns Leonard is an all-time classic. Just an all-time. besides her as Leonard that was my other make a mega mega fight to me to me the original her and is an all-time classic just an all-time yeah when Angelo Dundee is in the corner blowing it blowing a kid and he goes out and wins man god damn that was epic whoo that was epic especially cuz Hearns at 147 could hit people and knock them into another fucking dimension. Wasn't that odd to Hearns' credit? He could do that

at 168? Yeah. He did it. Remember when he did it to Duran? Yeah. He did it to Duran. Only person ever

to do it to Roberto Duran. Yeah. Only other person I think knocked Duran down was Esteban De Jesus. He face planted Duran. I'm talking about cold. Cold.

He had that snap because he had that wide torso. Wide shoulders. Thin waist. Yes, sir. Torque that punch. Yes, sir. cold cold he had that snap because he had that wide torso wide shoulders thin waist yes sir torque that punch yes sir but to show you how much how much mental it is sugar would take that punch like nobody else yeah yeah except in the second fight i think she dropped sugar a few times in the second fight but the first fight sugar took all of it he took it yeah because him and because they had such a beef that was his rival yeah well he had known that this was the fight that he had to win for greatness.

You know, and there was so much. I mean, it's hard for people to imagine how big Sugar Ray Leonard was. Like, people don't know the sport of boxing. When he was the Olympic champion and he was, I mean, what was it? He did 7-Up commercials or something? I forget the commercial. Yep, Sprite. Spr sprite and he was huge and this was when boxing was on abc abc wild world of sports yep people don't know there was no cable back then none it was giant he was america's superstar yes

he was and tommy hearns was an assassin killer assassin killer yeah the two of them getting together was like one of those who knows fights you know it's like you get them occasionally today you know and see this what hurts me about the olympics right now about that move that they did to me to lose the integrity see i followed ray leon. from the Olympics. Right, right. You feel me? These guys were incredible to me because they set a precedence for me. They made me want to go represent my country one day at the Olympics. Then turn pro and do like they did and become somebody. Yes.

They draw me a blueprint to follow. You feel me? Muhammad Ali, all of them. George Foreman. They draw us a blueprint to follow. That Olympic blueprint meant something because that was the epitome of amateur sports. The Olympics was the highest level of amateur sports. If you can get there, get there and represent your country, you're doing something.

You feel me? You're on your way. And then they have robbed me. Well, remember that was like the doorstep to professional stardom that's right meldrick taylor pernell whittaker vanderholy remember that one class they had a mark breland yes they had a heck of a class leo randolph yes what a class that was even even a guy from my area clint jackson was on that team and everybody was following that when those guys left the olympics and when they were on the podium with their medals and then they went on to their pro careers.

He wasn't on that team. He was on the 76 team, my bad. Okay. Well, another great team. Yeah. But watching those guys leave the Olympics and go on to superstardom, that was what you wanted to see. That's what the normal trajectory was. You go from the Olympics to superstardom yeah and

now it's like we don't even have to time know who all made it to the olympics no one knows anymore you know but also like the olympics have gotten i don't know if you ever saw that movie icarus did you ever see that movie i don't watch many movies it's a documentary that brian fogel did on the olympics it's a crazy documentary and the the documentary starts out where he's a cyclist. And he wanted to do this race and do the race clean and then get someone to show him how to dope and then do the race doped and see what the difference was. So he does the race clean. And then he employs this Russian cat who was responsible for Olympic doping in Russia, and he shows them how to do it.

Now, along the way, they find out that there was something at the Sochi Olympics where a lot of the athletes had done something where they had built a hole in the wall and they had taken the dirty piss, snuck it through the hole in the wall, and replaced it with clean piss. And they figured out how to work it. So all these athletes that were supposedly clean were on steroids. Or dirty, right. And so it happened in the, and so you see that and you realize like, what happened to

you, what happened in the Beijing Olympics. It's so politicized. It's become such a big thing for the country that they're willing to do all kinds of shenanigans. Anything to win. Bribe judges. Like, if those judges that ruled it against you weren't bribed, I would be stunned. Of course they had to be. They had to be.

There's no way. I mean, someone told them to do that. Of course. There's no other way that makes any sense. No, whatsoever. But it's a problem anyway that amateur sports, like, one of the things that drives me crazy about the Olympics is how much money it brings in, but the athletes don't get any money. None.

None. Zero. They're like college sports. A lot like college sports. A lot like college sports. And college sports even worse maybe, right? Of course. Because they can't even say, hey, we're going to hook you up with an apartment.

Nothing. You can't say nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. And meanwhile, they're making billions. That's how that's it's dirty it's ridiculous it's really dirty i mean i don't know how they should distribute the

money but they should distribute the money somehow but i mean come on you want the top athlete to come to your school that that's that's gonna add to your school's credibility then why he have to not be able to make money off of that too yeah and if someone wins the olympics if they dedicate years of their life for this one goal and they win, they should make some fucking money. Nine years of mine and got robbed and they got nothing for it.

Yeah. So I got robbed twice. You got double robbed. Literally. I got robbed twice. And all the people that put that on, they all made a shitload of money. And they do it right now.

They're making money off of it right now. Of course. And what are they going to do with the Olympics now with no that's a it's a weird thing now with the ufc it's a weird thing now with boxing this these fights with no crowd are very strange it's very strange to me i don't know how i mean the crowd meant so much to me that is like that's why when they moved the fight i was like you know what i don't know y'all give him a chance to go get even more ready why when they moved the fight, I was like, you know what? I don't know. Y'all give him a chance to go get even more ready now when he's the bigger guy.

And we got no crowd, so I came, look over there, and see somebody saying, yes, go get him, champ. You know what I'm saying? Get me hyped up, you know what I mean? So I'm like, wow. You should be able to have one hype man. At least a few of them, you know what I mean? Yeah, I got to have a few of them.

Yeah, I got to have a few of them. Yeah, I got to have a few of them. Sometimes just the least little thing can get that thing going, you know? When you were fighting, did you ever look into the crowds? Oh, yeah, all the time. Really? All the time. I want to know that you're enjoying yourself. If I'm not giving you something to make you enjoy yourself, then I'm wasting your time.

I shouldn't be out there. That's how I feel. If I'm boxing for you, that's with anything. If I'm doing something for you and i'm not making you excited or happy that you're doing it then i'm wasting your time yeah well at the end of the day it is entertainment yeah that's what i'm saying so if i ain't entertaining you i'm wasting your time there was a certain time in your career where you had to do other shit to entertain too like you you have fought you played a full basketball game and then fought that night.

Who's ever done that before? Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. I mean, that was part of the thing you had to do to entertain. Because you were so dominant. Of course.

You had to get people to pay attention in different ways other than just destroying people. You want to make them feel like there's a chance, that you're giving this guy a chance. Yeah. So by playing that basketball game, gives him a him a chance right because you know you got to use

your legs to play basketball so your legs shouldn't be rested like they should be in a 12-round title fight right after the fight this guy went on to win the super middleweight title ahead of three three years who was that again eric lucas from canada okay he had it for three years but they said you ain't fighting nobody this guy after that after that fight, he went and won the WBC super middleweight title and he had it for three years. It's funny that it still bothers you that people say you didn't fight anybody. Well, it don't really bother me. I'm just saying I'll just be arguing back with him sometime. I got an opportunity to argue back with him right here on Joe Rogan's show, so why not argue with him?

Do you remember when Jordan was, was it Hall of Fame? What was it when he got up there and he's just talking shit about all the writers? They talk shit about him over the years. It's funny. But I think that for all the greats, like there has to be something that's pissing you off. Something that you're fighting against. that's pissing you off, something that you're fighting against. It can't, there's no way you're going to have peace of mind and still have the drive to succeed and to conquer the way the all-time greats do.

The all-time greats have to have a chip on their shoulder. Yeah. If you don't have a chip on your shoulder, then you're not going to ever reach the heights or take the measures that it takes to become an all-time great. Yeah. Me, I had two chips. They robbed me at the Olympics,

and I had a father that I separated from that I know in my heart didn't really want me to succeed without him. So those were my chips. And because I had those chips, I can't lose. Because if I lose, he win. You understand me? So in my prime, if I lose, he win. Because understand me? So in my prime, if I lose, he win, because he said I can't do it without him.

And in my life, the way I was taught, the way I was brought up, all I need is God. Nothing against my dad, but all I need is God. So to me, God prepared you to get me to a certain level, but God took those roosters. God took a guy named Charlie Campbell, and you wouldn't know Charlie Campbell because he was a boxer back in the day, an amateur boxer, but God showed me so much through Charlie Campbell that to this

day I still speak to Charlie Campbell because without Charlie Campbell I might have never gotten to be Roy Jones Jr. Charlie Campbell taught me so much about charisma that my father could never have taught me that it was unbelievable Charlie Campbell beat all my father's fighters as amateurs that were in his weight class easily almost every time because he had charisma. Now, they were better than him, but he had charisma. And he beat them with that charisma. How did he beat them with charisma? Because he believed in himself, he had confidence, and he knew how to do stuff that made me love watching him.

You understand me? And he wasn't the best puncher. He really didn't have the best boxing skills, but his motions, he breathed everything he did. Even though he was slapping, he had sharp breath with it. You understand me? And to me, I was like, whoa. And he beating these guys that own my team.

So they learned the same thing I'm learning, but they can't have that kind of charisma because my daddy won't allow them to beat them people. He won't allow them to perform with that kind of confidence. You understand me? So I need to learn how to do what he doing because if I can add what he doing to what we doing, now I got something. How did you incorporate it? Well, I started doing the

stuff he did a little bit of it until i figured out what it really was you understand me so some of the grunting some of the moaning he did while he was fighting to show that he had breath control i started doing so like when you hear bruce lee go whoa try to camel will do stuff like that in the boxing match now his punches were nearly punches weren't nearly as effective as the sound was, but he kept them on beat and in tune with the sound. So it made him look way better than he really was. And he won the fights against these guys because these guys don't know how to do that. Wow.

So I started copying some of it. Not all of it, but I started doing it and adding it to my stuff. When I met him, it became hell for all the little kids in the area. Really? What? Not a little charisma? Something my daddy can't teach me? And he beat my daddy in fighters?

And to me, these guys are older than me. I'm 12. They're 17. He's beating them. So they ought to be better at what we're doing than I am. Because they're older and bigger than me. Right. He's beating them So they ought to be better at what we're doing than I am Because they're older and bigger than me Right He's beating them

No, I got to get that So I got that So was it also like You obviously had animosity with your father So you were looking for other ways to do it too No, I had to find other ways God had to talk to me in other ways If God didn't speak to me other ways here here's the real deal what people don't understand there's nothing against my father's just kind of our destiny right when a lion this is why i tell

people that nature is also a bible right when a lion get a certain age is there to kick him out he got to go you got to go get your own pride because this is my pride and that's kind of having me my father hmm so it's like at a young age I knew I was gonna have to go because just the way things shaped up you understand me so me growing up watching even these guys watching before me I watched all of them get to the age but my daddy would never have a lot would never allow them to be as confident and as charismatic as Charlie Campbell was because he didn't allow that. Because he was the boss. He's the boss.

He was in control of everything. But he ain't got to fight nobody. Right. So then after the 76 Olympics, God gave me a second confirmation. Howard Davis Jr. won the Val Barker Cup. I mean, he was the best fighter at the Olympics. But he probably was the only one of them gold medalists that didn't become world champion.

Why? Because his daddy waited way too long. So he waited so long that when he finally fought Jim Watt, he couldn't beat Jim Watt. Because in Howard Davis, the fire had died. Now in his daddy, the fire still was there. But guess what?

His daddy ain't got a fight what right how it does right you understand me that was my second confirmation that when I get old enough I gotta go yeah you understand me so it's like I start to understand and like I said nature has always been my Bible so people always say why you love animals why you love chicken way that's where I learned God's teachings from cause God made those animals and people can't change them you understand me you can neuter them but when you neuter them you change to a whole another animal right and to me in society sometimes that's what they're trying to do to us they're trying to neuter us yes so when they neuter us we don't fight back well that's a giant thing with men today that's what i'm trying to tell you that's

what toxic masculinity and all that bullshit that's what I'm trying to tell you. That's what toxic masculinity and all that bullshit. That's what I'm trying to tell you. They're trying to mentally neuter us. Yes. When they neuter, when you neuter a horse, he becomes. A gelding.

Yeah. He, again, he don't, he don't fight back no more. Right. He don't care no more. Right.

You understand me? So it's like, if you neuter a man, he becomes nothing. He don't care no more. He ain't gonna fight back. He ain't gonna even stand up for himself. Exactly.

Cause he ain't got no, what God gave. You took that out. You out you feel me and to me that's emotionally mentally what they try to do this without physically doing that so that was a problem that me and my father also had and people say well why are you so against what goes on well to me that's what he was trying to do but what i learned is and it's going to take you down that road too, I used to hunt when I was a kid, right? We would hunt squirrels. When we would hunt a squirrel, there would be some squirrels that would have a penis but no balls. Because the other squirrels bit their balls off.

The daddy. The daddy did it? The daddy would have a nest about anywhere from 10 to 25 females. Every time one of them have a little babies, he goes and bites the nuts out of all the males because he wants no competition. No, listen, but you got to know this now. I get it.

So this shows me he can't do it physically, but this is what he's doing. I watched him do it to all these other guys I told you about before me. They can't beat Charlie Campbell because they're geldings. Charlie Campbell's a stud. Yeah. He ain't better than them. He ain't beat Charlie Campbell because they're geldings. Charlie Campbell's a stud. He ain't better than them. He ain't stronger than them. He ain't even a better puncher

than them. But in his mind, he's a stud. In their mind, they're geldings. Because my dad has made them so he's meant to beat them down so low that they have no real fight back in them. Because they got to be second to my father first. i can't

be that guy if you're gonna rule the world you ain't never seen a getting rude word and breeding you understand me you understand me now you see some fast gillings because they're just fast naturally and but they're not gonna rule the past because once you cut the balls out of them he's no more mad yeah you feel me me? So it's like I'd be saying, it's like nothing personal against nobody. I don't care you do what you want to do, but for me, I couldn't be world champion if I

let my father make me a guillotine mentally and emotionally. You understand me? So I could not stay there and become a guillotine like I watched them do before me and expect to be Roy Jones Jr. that you know today. It just couldn't happen. That's a difficult balance with some trainers, right?

Because some trainers were fighters and they're tough guys. Yep, and they don't want to let the other guys surpass them. Yeah. That's one of the reasons why a lot of fighters don't make good trainers. And that's why a lot of father-son relationships don't work as fighters because the father don't want to let the son grow up. And in order to stop him from growing up, you got to almost turn him into a guillotine.

Yeah. So that he'll go for anything and not fight you back. Yeah, it usually works out in a weird way. It's very rare that a father-son fight-coach combination works. Lobanchinko, his dad do a good job. Yeah. Well, his dad is an unusual

cat. His dad told him you're going to just dance for two years. Like, what? I think it might have been more than two years. His dad's God-gifted. A lot like Joe Calzada's dad was. He was God-gifted. These guys never boxed, but they made world champions out of their sons. Because they knew

they seen something and they knew what it took to get him there the fact that he told his son to take up Ukrainian dancing and then you look at Loma Chanko's footwork it's off the charts so God gave him a vision before a son got to where he was going he showed him waves going but wait before happened he gave my father the same vision just that my father's personality wouldn't allow him to enjoy the fruits of that vision. Did you ever resolve it with your father? No. Never?

No. Is he still alive? Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Do you talk at all? No. Damn.

No. That's got to be weird for him. No, it's not weird for him. He understands he's a lion and I'm a lion. I understand, but his son's Roy Jones Jr. Yeah. and I'm a lion. I understand,

but his son's Roy Jones Jr. Yeah. When you're a boxing trainer and your son's one of the greatest of all time and he doesn't talk to you, that's gotta fuck with you.

Well, he don't talk to you because you don't want to talk to him. Right. So it's not like he wouldn't talk to you if you wanted to talk to him, but you don't want

to talk to him. So if you don't want to talk to him, then he's not going to chase you down and talk to you. Why would he? I couldn't,

me personally as a father, I couldn't handle that. I couldn't handle it with none of my kids. That's why I didn't raise my kids the way that I was raised. So me and all my kids, my kids can talk to me about anything. I'm like you as a father. I couldn't handle that either. But sometimes there are sacrifices. But sometimes a guy like you has to come out of a situation like that.

You have to fight your way through the struggle of being dominated by your father to become your own man. And then that's one of the reasons why you're such a bad motherfucker. If I didn't beat that, I never would have made it in boxing. Sean O'Grady used to tell me all the time, you did the one thing that I never could do. I said, what's that, Sean? He said, I just couldn't walk away. I said, well, I thought God had me destined to be great, so I had to walk away. And look what I am now.

Yeah, indeed. Indeed. What does it feel like after, like, you're already an all-time great. You're already Hall of Famer. And now you're getting back into the ring again. Like, what does that feel like? Is it exciting? Is it?

It's a new feeling. You know, right now I got to tell, while I'm here, I got to tell them they got to got telling they gotta go to Roy Jones dream. I mean RJJ fight store calm to get a shirt like RJJ fight store calm don't miss that. I must have forgot Exactly. So it's like for me. It's a whole new game now You gotta do a little bit more promoting stuff. You gotta try to do a little bit more media work I'll come talk to you because you always supported me. You've been one of the best. There it is.

One of the best people that I have known as far as being a Roy Jones person. I would have came to you if I was doing nothing. But having a Mike Tyson fight for us to talk about, what better time to come see you? You feel me? I've been trying to get here, but I said I want to wait until we got something interesting to really talk about. Oh, yeah. Because we good people. You are good people.

So I wanted something big when I came here, and now we got something. So having this Mike Tyson fight, it has its advantages, although I told you the timing and all was a disadvantage. But it does have its advantages because now we get to have a great conversation first time with me being here. You feel me? Listen, I appreciate it. I'm happy to talk to you anytime anyplace so what is it like though when you see like now holy feels thinking about coming back he's training hard oscar de la joya who that could be a fight for you too like if you decide to keep going with this that's someone who's more your size as well

yeah he more my size but i he look at me like I look at Mike he said oh he's too big well he fought some middleweights ready for Bernard that's not saying that's not as you see that that's that's what that's fine a middleweight so yeah they're different than me and they're different than Mike it's like when you look at it the true fact is that if you ask people and you can pull the highlights up right now say say, look at this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy. At that time, who are they going to look at again? They're going to look at Mike Tyson again. They're going to look at Roy Jones again.

And they're going to look at Roy Jones again first because Roy Jones do so much crazy stuff that he's like high in the world. Not only do, like you say, it's a basketball game for the fight. Met the man, the red man, bring him to the ring. He got, I mean, Radio City Music Hall, I mean, come on. Roy Jones got so much stuff that he gonna win that debate. And if you remember, then Mike Tyson probably gonna be right behind him, because Mike Tyson got some knockouts

that are unbelievable. You understand me? So, it's like, that's the two most entertaining guys over the last two decades. Without a question. Without a question. Well, you said you learned that move when you put your hands behind your back. Who'd you knock out

when you put your hands behind your back? I knocked him down, James Toney. Oh, no, no. No, you knocked him down. Glenn Kennedy. You're right, you're right. You knocked him out. You said you learned that from a rooster, too.

From a rooster, too. That's right. That's right. Who else learns shit from roosters? Just for a rooster, man. But see, you got to understand this, too. There's a little bit more to it. I'm also big on the kung fu movies.

So the kung fu movies, they got tiger style, crane style, all these, the toad, the lizard, all these different things. So I said, you know, I love roosters. So let me see how I can incorporate the roosters into my style of boxing. Do you think this is one and done? Do you think this Tyson fight is one and done? Does it depend on the outcome or you just have to focus on the fight right now and then decide what else is going on afterwards?

It really depends on how it goes because, you know, I'm like this, man. I think Mike is an awesome person. And I know Mike has had his ups and downs in the world. I know Mike is really, you know, he is Mike. You understand me? So you don't know what Mike you're going to get. Right. You understand me?

So in this exhibition, you got to prepare for the best you can prepare for. And, you know, anything can happen. If Mike can hit you with the elbow and cut you on purpose, anything can happen. You don't know. And you try to get him back, and they may stop it before you get to get him back. Then they say, well, y'all want to do a real fight?

Hell, yeah, I want to do a real fight with my get back. You understand me? If that happened like that. You understand me? You've already got it played out in your head. I'm just saying, yeah, because you ain't going to do just no other thing. I ain't getting no get back.

You feel me? Right, I understand. It ain't going to go like that. You feel me? You feel me? You feel me? I'm coming from. So now if we go,

if we have a straight up one this time is good, then I'm cool. That may be the end of it. It might turn out like I want it. Everything be great. You understand me? So it may be a great opportunity. We both may put up great performances,

and we might call it a day. We might be too tired to talk about it. That's what's called the old. You understand me? Yeah. That may happen too. But it all really probably depends on the outcome of this. You understand me?

Because when you're the smaller guy and you're fighting a guy that you know is over here today and over there tomorrow, then you just got to prepare yourself for whatever because you don't know what he might come in there and do. You understand me? So I got to be ready. I mean, I feel safe with these earmuffs on

because he might bite you in your damn ear. That's the thing about Mike is he's so crazy. He's so wild. You feel me? You don't know what he might do. I think he's a different human now. I've talked to him twice on a podcast.

I talked to him once. It was about 10 months ago and once just a couple weeks ago, and he's two different people from those two times. That's what I'm saying. That's just 10 months. So imagine what he'd do in 10 days. Well, 10 months ago he was smoking weed he wouldn't even work out he said he couldn't work out because he didn't want to reignite his ego and then he said his wife called

him fat and then he started working he said i got on the treadmill started doing it for 15 minutes next thing you know it's two hours and then he's obsessed again and that's ego has been re-ignited yes he said the gods of war reignited his ego. You feel me? Yeah. But they call it an exhibition. Now, okay. Yeah.

So anyway. He looks shredded. Oh, he is shredded. Yeah, he's ready to go. And he's good. He's doing the right thing because DBs ain't playing. You feel me? I understand.

So he's doing the right thing. But like I said, if everything goes good, then I won't have to do it twice. But if it don't go like I want it to and they say, yeah, I want to do a real one, then give me some 10s and let's go for real. 10s and would you do 10 rounds? No, 10 or 12. 10 or 12. I want 12.

I can't. I want it. See, they got me doing eight two-minute rounds. Is it two-minute rounds? That's to his advantage, too. Everything is to his advantage. That's to his advantage, too. Why did you agree to it?

At this point, the fans are so excited about it. I wouldn't want to pull the rug from under the fans. Then they'd try to sue me. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it's not really worth it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm going through these two rounds just that I'm going to have to figure out a little bit different way.

I'm going to have to work a little faster than I expected to. Yeah, two-minute rounds is a totally different kind of rhythm. Totally different kind of rhythm. Yeah, it's weird that they decided to do it that way. Do you think they decided to do that because of the September 12th date where it was only six weeks for him to prepare? No, they just decided this last week. Really?

Yeah, they changed up on me about the week. So it was originally three-minute rounds? I thought. I guess I read the memo wrong. Like I said. Wow. It changes so much on me, man. I mean, I think the WBC came in and said they want to put up some kind of title or something,

so they want to cut it back to two-minute rounds. They said something about that Arce and Chavez senior fight, how fatigued they were after the fight, and they feel like that's a safety measure but what they don't realize is that if you keep mike fresh the longer you keep mike fresh the more dangerous that is for me yeah so i need to get mike unfresh quick so we can get out of this danger zone what happened with chavez senior he he and arcy i think fought a a true a true exhibition with headgear and big gloves. Right.

But they said they were so exhausted afterwards that they felt like that is what could inhibit somebody's health. Huh. Well, how much did they train for? That's what I don't know. So they're making it two different things. You feel me? So I don't know why. And they cut it back.

But like I'm telling them, no, that's not right for me because I'm a smaller guy. Time is the best component I have. The longer he goes, the more he wears, the better my chances are. The longer you keep him strong and fresh, the more dangerous it is for me. So they didn't discuss this beforehand? It's not a part of the contract? They just contacted you and said they're dropping it down to two-minute rounds? Dropping it.

They said the commission is dropping it down to two-minute rounds. You can pull out. You can pull out. Oh, the commission said that. Oh, wow. They said they had a commission. You drop it down in two minute rounds? They said the commission is dropping it down in two minute rounds. You can pull out. You can pull out. Oh, the commission said that. Well, they said they had a commission. You drop it down in two minute rounds, you can either pull out or you can fight. Man. So this is the commission's idea.

Well, I guess. They said WBC came in and said it along with the commission. So I don't know if it's. The commission told me it's WBC. WBC told me it's the commission. So I ain't really sure who it is. But my point is, that's not good for me. That's good for him. Again. You feel i heard the bigger man y'all started giving him everything he

want yeah i want it to be three minute i want to be three minute round it's safer it's safer for me for three minute round yeah it's just better it's boxing that's it's traditional it's what it's always been guess what though what they're to do is turn that light back on. When they turn that light on, bad things happen. You heard me? I heard you. And they turn that light back on. Slowly but surely, they turn that light back on.

And I'm going to say, I didn't want to be this person, but since y'all going to do me like this, now y'all starting something. That means trouble. Listen, I'm excited about this fight no matter what, but now I'm more excited about it. Of course. This is going to be a gigantic fight, too.

I mean, I've heard so many people talk about it that are just casual boxing fans that are excited. I was cool in the beginning, but like I said, once you only kick me around so much, then the hook comes out. I see myself, I think I'm turning green. Well, you always said that, that there's like two dudes inside of you, right?

There's Roy Jones Jr. and there's RJ. And they're starting to wake him up. Well, who's RJ? He ain't the one to be effed with. When did you realize there was like a second person? Well, I've been new it my second person well i've been new at my whole life you know i've been doing my whole life i always try to suppress that person because that person will end up in somebody's penitentiary somewhere you don't watch him because he ain't really

thinking about or caring about what nobody thinks so is this do you think that this you develop this as a way of is it just always been inside of you or is this how you dealt with certain situations in your life where you had to like shut off parts of who you are I think all real men have it they just don't ever have to tap into it but it never had been pushed to that measure which is why I say society tries to make us gildings because any man like you you got kids somebody did something to your kid and you saw it RJ coming up mmm understand me I do so it's always there just that you try to keep it suppressed so I try to keep it suppressed but jingle kick on me but so much then he coming

mmm and once he start coming guess what he's just like a pit bull he has no off switch who was it that you fought you fought this dude Jack guy shorter guy first fight that's right that's right yep the second fight RJ came out yes yes that was an annihilation of course yeah you just hunted him down of course course. That's who RJ is. Yeah. Seek and destroy. That was Hagler's words. Seek and destroy. Seek and destroy. So the first fight, what happened in the first fight?

He got injured? No, I hit him. He went down one knee, but he was already short. Right. So I couldn't take him down, so I tapped him again, and I thought the referee was going to say stop. Oh, that's right. It's disqualification.

I'm waiting for the referee to say stop. He didn't say that, so I tapped him again. He looked at the referee and thought about it and said, oh, he crashed on his head, face down. That's okay. Okay, I'll take that disqualification. But now, it's a little bit harder for me when you. Did they give him the title for that? That's right.

Hey, that was my first loss. If it wasn't for that loss, I probably still wouldn't have lost today. That was my first loss. So now, around the Olympics, here I go again. So you know how I feel come the second time, right? Now I got robbed twice, or three times. We talked about how the Olympic Committee robbed me too. So now I've been robbed three times.

Now somebody got to die. How many times has RJ come out and fight? Just that one time. Just one time? It's because he talked crazy to me after I'm knowing you got my title while you down, face down, and met. You can't talk to me like that now and if he would left me alone it would never came out if he just left alone let's go to the second fight i would have probably beat him but i wouldn't beat him like that because i'm not that dude i try to suppress that part that guy you

feel me right when he started talking now you make me be a person i don't want to be and i know i'm glad we're friends now we don't you know we ain't got no beef no more we cool now we shook hands he understands and i understand but it's like at that time you can't talk when you took my belt while you was face down met and you will talk crazy about me too no no you oh have always showed great sportsmanship and also control. I remember when you tried to get the referee to stop the Pazienza fight. You looked at the referee. You're like, come on, stop it. He done, bro.

What you want me to do to him? The referee wouldn't stop it, and then you just finished it real quick. I said, okay. Yeah. Yeah, it was devastating. But that was an excellent example of you being a good sportsman. Of course. I'm not out there to hurt people.

That's why I try to tell people. I'm not out there to hurt people. When you and Gerald McClellan, Gerald McClellan, who was at the time a destroyer, you know what I mean? He was the man that people thought of as being a great challenger for you. And then he had that fight with Nigel Benn and wound up getting brain injury and just devastated and was never the same again how much

did that affect you because a guy who was your peer who was a man that many people thought was gonna be a rival to you and you guys were eventually gonna have a big super fight yeah how bad did that affect you that's like me pretty bad because being that new jail we were friends and he did gave me he wanted three to split decision over me and amateurs so he was one up and I was definitely gonna get that one back which I got a little bit back when I spot what I'm at sugar a little gym but I still wanted organized get back so I was definitely was looking to fight him down the road but when that happened, when I saw that fight was happening, I was the only person that said that he wouldn't win that fight.

I was the only person. And people called me the next day and said, how did you know he was not going to win? I said, because he's good. He's a very strong puncher. But punching is all that Nigel really has. Nigel does not believe in boxing skills. Nigel don't care about boxing skills.

Nigel is just what he say he is, a dark destroyer. You go into his country, you go into his backyard, and you're going to fight him just like he fights. That's not a good recipe. You feel me? Mm-hmm. And just what I didn't think was going to be quite that bad. I didn't think he was going to end his career,. I didn't think he was going to end his career.

But I thought that he was going to end up losing to Nigel because of the fact that he would fight the wrong fight. He would fight the style which Nigel shines in. The only style that Nigel could shine in. When he knocked Nigel down the first round, 99% of fighters would have been done. When he sent him through the ropes, it looked like it was over. And that's what Gerald was doing to everybody. Gerald was destroying people. Everybody.

Destroying people. What a puncher he was. And what a classic crunk style fighter he was. Tall, long dude, serious power, super hyper aggressive. Both hands. But Nigel Benn could fucking take it. You know, he almost had a comeback recently. Yeah, he did.

He had some shoulder injuries up in the sideline. The bad part about it is, and this is what we're saying we're missing right now. If it was in today's society, Nigel never would have recovered from that first round knockout. Because today, with no crowd, he'd have had nothing to urge him back on. But with that crowd and he at home, if he has breath in him, he better get up and get his ass back in that ring. Yeah. And he did just that. He survived.

But the crowd made him do that. Yeah. And then when he started taking it to Gerald, I mean, that was a crazy. Gerald just emptied his gas tank trying to take him out of there. And Gerald was also another guy who cut a tremendous amount of weight. Of course. He was big for a middleweight. Huge.

He probably should have gone up to light heavyweight even before then probably yeah yeah and that's what most people thought was gonna happen yeah yeah that was uh that's to me one of the great tragedies of boxing because it's very rare that a an elite top of the food chain world champion in his prime is cut down like that it's really only been a couple instances well it puts people on notice again as to why fighters ask to get paid properly every time they go in a ring, especially against another elite fighter. Yeah. Because tomorrow is not promised to nobody when you go in that ring.

Anything can happen at any time. Nobody suspected that that would be Joe McClellan's last fight ever. Yeah. You understand me? Nobody. Nobody suspected that. No be Gerald McClellan's last fight ever. You understand me? Nobody. Nobody suspected that. No. You understand me?

Same with the guy, the heavyweight that it happened to up in New York. He fought the Cuban guy, Mike, whatever his name was. I can't remember his last name, but nobody ever suspected that that would be that heavyweight's last fight. I remember that, yeah. I know the fight you're talking about, but I can't remember the name. Yeah, same sort of situation. Yeah, yeah man it's just like you never know so in boxing you have to take every fight that's why people say well why you say that man you don't know you know you get hit by somebody like mike tyson anything can happen right mike tyson is not just an ordinary puncher right

he one of those guys that could do just that to you so you should know what you're going into and you should be ready for that because this is Mike yeah you understand me now for me I already give a damn I fight for a living I feel just like a game rooster I'd be ready to die for my spot so if you want me it's right down my alley I ain't tripping at all because I know that death is a probability. You feel me? So, yeah, that could happen to anybody. And I know it could happen to me even more going in there with somebody as dangerous as a Mike Tyson.

Problem with me is why I love what I love and why I do what I do is because I love boxing. So if I got to die boxing, I'm going to die a happy man. You understand me? What? Is that the way you'd like to go? Well, I mean, well, it's probably one or two other ways I'd rather go. Like a grandpa sitting on a porch. Yeah, but if I went that way, I'm not mad at that.

Right, I understand. Because I know that when I started boxing. Right. I know that people get hurt in this. Some people don't make it out of this alive. So if that's how you got to go, you got to know that people get hurt in this. Some people don't make it out of this alive. So if that's how you got to go, you got to know that. But if you ain't that game, if you ain't that committed to what you're doing, then you shouldn't be talking to me about boxing because that's what boxing is.

Yeah, that's a great philosophy to have to go into combat because nobody gets out alive in this life. Got to leave some way better believe it and you want to talk about a man who's been dedicated to a craft and a sport i mean your whole life has been dedicated to this craft and sport and because of that you are universally recognized as one of the all-time best yep and i ain't care tomorrow what it is who it is when y'all say let's go it's time for me to go yeah there's a legacy that you've left that like no matter what happens no one can ever take that away from you yep you've you've accomplished some crazy thank you brother it is what it is right and your era too man i mean there's so many

so many amazing fighters of your era. I mean, you really came up. And, I mean, boxing is in a good place now. There's a lot of exciting champions and a lot of exciting fights to be made. But, I mean, your era was one of the golden eras of boxing. Yeah, it was. And you know what? The only thing, like I said, what hurts me now is, like, I be wanting to see the best fighters fight the best fighters

like right now a good fight that's on tap is to the fight tanks about to fight a good fight Loma chinko about to fight a really good fight yeah you understand me but the guy his opponent hasn't been proven yet Tiafema Lopez but I think he's a really good prospect. And if he does get into this fight, it could be really interesting. Yet, at the same time, this tells us if it's too early for him or not because he still has time to grow. He's young, but he's a good-looking prospect. You feel me? Good-looking prospect.

The guy Tank's fighting is just, forgive me, I don't know names. I don't remember names that well, but he's a pretty good fighter too. And I don't know that he's going to be able to take Tank's fighting, just forgive me, I don't know the names. I don't remember the names that well, but he's a pretty good fighter, too. And I don't know that he's going to be able to take Tank's power because Tank's one of these guys that comes way down in weight, too. So he'll be big on fight night. And if he's that big on fight night, it makes it very difficult to take those hammers, those tanks that he throws when he throws them. So it's going to be a good fight, too. I can't wait to see that. But there are some good fights on tap tap and I'm looking forward to but I still say that right now the best fight out there besides Roy

Mike is Crawford versus Spence I agree yeah I just amazed not making it happen I don't know I'm amazed Spence came out of that car accident unfazed so you watch that car flip like that you're like jesus christ god had to be with him something was with him that's for sure god had to be with him had to be something yep and terence crawford to me is one of the most interesting champions alive today beast mode he think like he think like me and pernell would have thought if you want to come and get it i love how he switches stances too yes i mean he fights as good from orthodox as he does yep and and when he decides to switch it up on guys you see the look on their face where they get confused like he'll fight two three rounds one

way and then switch it up yep and you see like haggler used to do that haggler was a fantastic switch one of the best i've seen the tip crawford yeah yeah and Crawford just he's got a mind for the sport it's like this you could see when he's putting it on a guy you know he just he he's as game as they come yes sir yes sir so those are fights I want to see I have some interesting guys I got a guy cuz you banked Junior hmm I really want to see him I really want to see him with one of the Charlo brothers first. And when we get that, I think that would be a very good competitive fight. So you're training Chris Eubanks?

Yes, and that'll show us where he's at. And I think the winner of that fight should fight Canelo. But I think he's good enough that you can't down a champion. You can't just say, oh, he'll beat the champ. I don't do that in boxing because that's not my thing. But we do want to fight the champ, which right now I think the WBA champ, middleweight, is a Japanese guy. And we need to fight him to find out, get us a real title.

Then we should fight the Charlo brother to have a unification title. I'll fight Amin. Then he should fight Canelo to find out who will demand the weight class. Is Canelo going to stay at 68 or is he going to go back and forth between 68 and 75? I think Canelo is going to go where the money fight is, which is smart for him. You know, just kind of freelance and rolling. He's been always 75. He can go from 75 to 60. I think that's comfortable for him.

It kind of reminds me of what I kind of did, just dominate the area. You understand me? So if you get lucky enough to come get high enough in the area, he'll take you. He's an interesting cat because what he, what he's learned from, like, particularly the Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight, if you watch the way he moves now, like his head movement is so much better than it ever was before. It's beautiful. His defensive skills are so much better than they've ever been before.

Yeah, but to me that's not the thing that he needed to learn because you have to look at the past to teach you about the future so if you look at history Julio Cesar Chavez senior and God blessed the dead Roger Mayweather but Julio beat Roger because he started chasing Roger at the weighting end mm-hmm he didn't wait and try to outbox Roger because he's never gonna out outbox Roger. Right. But he started chasing Roger at the weighting. And he chased Roger all night until he ran Roger complete ragged. Then he would beat Roger. Well, Julio did that to everybody, right?

Meljik Taylor, too. But what I'm saying is that's the way to beat a guy who's a better boxer than you. So if you notice, then why don't you send Canelo in to chase Floyd from round one? Right. You don't go out there and try to chase Floyd from round one right you don't go out and try to outbox Floyd Mayweather think about it now that's true you think I'm going to go out and try to out shoot send somebody to go out shoot Larry Bird

no I'm not no I'm not that's stupid that's what Larry does best right no I understand I think he was a little overwhelmed you know because that was a big fight for him, his first real super fight, and he's in there with Floyd, who's a defensive wizard. Yeah, but you've been pro since you was 15.

Yeah. So you probably got a little bit more experience than Floyd had at the time as far as professional boxing goes. So if you really think about it, you don't outbox the boxer. Didn't Floyd make him suck a lot of weight too i think he made him get down like 52 or something yeah but he came in the ring at like i think it was 16 pounds heavier than floyd so if you 16 pounds heavier than him that tells you that you've got to use that 16 pounds try to use it against him if you can right not saying that he would beat floyd

because floyd is a smart guy floyd knows how to you know change up that's a good thing about floyd floyd also is an elite fighter who knows how to make adjustments but for your best for your optimal chances yeah you got to go and get on him for round one like madonna did now might that was a my dollar didn't floyd the first fight yeah gave him all kind of problem the first fight because he stayed right there on it yeah and he's not the puncher that canelo is no he's not his biggest canelo is but my. He's not as big as Canelo is. But Maidana's a wild man. It don't matter.

You see, that's the only strategy. That's the only chance Canelo had that night. You're not going to outbox Floyd Mayweather. Come on, bro. He had a risk losing. That's what I'm saying. At that point, he wasn't ready for that. So to say that he's a better fighter, we could say that,

but he's an older fighter too. So, of course, the older you get, the better you're supposed to get. Right. But we can't necessarily say he's a better fighter until we see him. Against a guy like Floyd. Or see him fixed because against. He had the same problem with Arizlandi Lara. Oh, okay.

With Arizlandi Lara as he had with Floyd. Because Arizlandi Lara is a boxer. Right. So that fight was a fight that some people thought could have went either way. Yeah, I thought so too. Me being one of them. You feel me? Yeah.

So it's like that don't mean you got better. That means that you've been facing different types of competition. Right. Because until we see you do that and handle that style, then we can say you got better. Now, he's a great fighter. Don't get me wrong. To me, he's in my top three because I love Canelo. I think Canelo is one of the best out there. Yeah. But but we can't say we're always quick to say he got better after

the floor fight i'm not going to say that necessarily he got better because he's going to get better anyway right because he was going to grow up which he did he was 21 and he grew up most people when they grew up they get smarter so they have to get better but i don't think the floor if i made him better because he still didn't show me that he made the necessary adjustment to come back and beat Floyd if he had fought him again or give Floyd an even better fight if he fought him again because if he's not pressuring Floyd, he's never going to outbox Floyd. Yeah.

Styles make fights, right? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Were you stunned by the Kovalev fight? No, I wasn't. No, I wasn't. Kovalev took the fight at a time I thought was bad for him because he took it right after one of his other fights.

And it's like, to me, I don't think Kovalev took the fight with the intent to win it. I think he felt like, I'll get a chance to fight Canelo. I'll get good money. I'll take it. You think so? That's what I felt like. Really? I don't think.

I didn't see the real Kovalev. I mean, then you try to box Canelo and move away that canelo stalk you but now the way code of with canelo stalked him is the way he should have stopped me with the first time yeah because that's what he had to beat me with and he turned kovalev the crusher turned into a boxer i think with kovalev the the words always been that he drinks too much. I hear that, but what I'm saying is Kovalev, your nickname is the crusher.

Right. Why would you let a guy coming up two weight classes make you alleviate or deviate from where you normally are? You normally call the crusher. Now you're going to go

to the boxer all of a sudden for a guy that's coming up two weight classes? No. No. You understand me? I understand. I mean, I love Kovalev to death too. That's my boy. You understand me? I mean, I love Kovalev to death too. That's my boy. You know what I'm saying? But I just

feel like he fought the wrong fight against Cano. Yeah. I don't know if he was physically capable of fighting any other fight. Well, but like I said, to me, I agree with that too, but to me, you must fight the right game plan or you've lost before the fight starts.

Right. Yeah. True. Well, you're a fantastic commentator, man. That's one of the things that got me really bummed out when HBO died. I can't believe they took away boxing. Yeah. I don't know why HBO did that.

I just don't understand it. Well, I understood what they told me was that they don't like the fact they are not going to do something and be number two. If they can't be number one, they ain't doing it. And so I can kind of understand that. So what put them into number two? Well, I'm just saying they want to be the best at it. Was it DAZN? I don't know.

Or was it just money and streaming, ESPN Plus? I don't really know. I just feel like they want to be number one or they don't want to be nothing. Well, I mean, I don't know, man. Between you and with Jim Lampley. And Max Kellerman. And Max Kellerman, who's fantastic. You guys did an amazing job.

Fun stuff. The commentary team was unparalleled. The best ever. The best ever. So that's what I'm saying. But like I said, I just feel like maybe they were used to having the elite champions. And because the elite champions became dispersed, maybe was i don't know but to me i feel like like i said i felt like they

just wanted to be or maybe people that bought them out this i don't know i really don't know either but it's a sad state of affairs it hurt me i tell you that it still hurts me to this day I don't know either, but it's a sad state of affairs. It hurt me, I tell you that. It still hurts me to this day. That's got to. I mean, they have been in boxing for how many years? 30 plus years?

It still hurts me to this day. And it's amazing that no one has brought that team back. Max Kellerman, to this day, is not doing boxing commentary that I'm aware of. He do a little bit on ESPN. Does he? Yeah, he does a little bit. But where's Jimim lampley i don't know but that guy those two guys are two of the best guys you ever can work with and jim lampley has a memory that is unparalleled to anybody i've ever met in my life this guy can

look at a paper one time and remember that whole damn page almost word for it I believe it I mean I ain't never seen that like in my life no he is as good a play-by-play commentator as has ever lived yes sir he's phenomenal HBO was pretty awesome as an organization because you know it's like I built my career there HBO and then to be able to build that commentary career that was so fabulous for me so they were really I mean it hurt me bad that they got out of boxing because that was like man that was really the kingpin of Fox yeah no they were they were uncrowned I mean undoubtedly the the ones who wore the crown now do you do any commentary now

no I can't to my contracts over over, and my contract's not over until December. Oh, okay. Yeah, so after December I can do other commentary. Are you talking to anybody about doing that? Not yet. I hope you do. I haven't spoken to nobody about it yet. I'm sure at the end we'll start speaking to people, but I haven't spoken to anybody yet. So how did you get involved with Russia?

How did you become a Russian citizen? When I read that, I was like, what is happening with Roy? What are you doing? I do so much. My partner got a movie coming out right now called Four Kings. Me and Mike Tyson in that movie too. But I do so much. So I was over in Russia doing fights, doing stuff, and

I never realized how big I was in Russia until I started going over there. And Russia is like a Roy of 1990s. Really? Yeah. when I go somewhere it's all here the king that's how much I love that's how much they love boxing Wow so to go to Russia and to see that you love that much as bad as I hate the cold as bad as I hate the cold To be revered that much

It's always like I tell people I always want to be somewhere That I'm wanted And needed if possible But wanted is the big key And I always tell I tell my kids Don't date a girl

That you won't Date a girl that wants you She'll treat you better Smart words right there. That's very important. Russia loves and appreciates me. You understand me? The U.S. appreciates and loves me too.

Don't get it wrong. 99% of the population of Russia knows me. Really? Yes. So it's like when they say you should become a part of us too, it's like it's not to say, oh, I don't like you.

No, it's not like that. It's like, why can't we all get along? Why can't we? What's the problem? Well, one of the things I was going to say is that you haven't really taken any grief publicly about being a dual citizen that I've ever seen. No, but there are several Russians that are dual citizens. So why would y'all give me grief when y'all ain't giving them grief? I mean, is it?

We always talk about this racism stuff. If I got grief, what could it be? Because there are several Russians over here in this country right now that they have dual citizenship. So I can't. Why can't you? That's what I'm saying. So how did it come up? Did they bring it up?

They just brought it up to me. A guy brought it up to me. A Russian guy brought it up to me and said, hey, they love you so much. You should look at becoming a citizen here too. I was like, wow, that's not a bad idea. I never thought in my life that it would be possible to become a Russian citizen and an American citizen. I said, well, that can't be a bad thing. And people forget that we fought together in World War II.

Yes. So it's like we're not really enemies. We're enemies. Sometimes politics try to make us enemies, but we're really not enemies. And if we're all children of God, then why are we enemies? Or how can we really be enemies? So do you split time in Russia? Yes.

How much time of the year do you spend there? I usually go about, spend probably about six months a year there. Really? So you do hit that cold. Yeah, I do hit it. I hate it, but I hit it. And my fighters, and I meant to mention that I have several fighters all over the world, too. I have a Russian heavyweight. I have a Swedish middleweight. I have a Swedish coach. I got fighters in South Africa. I got Andrew clean of Teddy by Chris you bang Kevin Newman the list go shady come watch him Icarum I got a lot a good Michael Williams jr. I got a good

stable of young fighters up and coming um Brian Pirello I think his last name is Bryant at a really good state of Glenn Hagler Jr. Really good stable of fighters that I'm trying to work on bringing up. Fernando. And I'm trying to get them to understand my thought process in boxing. Because if they can understand my thought process, they're already ahead of the curve. If they don't understand my thought process, they're not going nowhere. Right.

You understand me? So it's like you have to understand the thought process right they're not going away right you understand me so it's like you have to understand the thought process in order to be able to really pursue a career doing it my way what do you think is different about your thought process my thought process is some of it is already understood before i go in there you understand me so it's like certain things that you do you know you have do's and don'ts before you go in there you understand me so it's like when I come out to fight if you got a bad jab you won't live tonight you will not win tonight because you're not competing with a bad chair not because it's the first punch you learn in boxing if your jab is bad you're not being wrong you

understand me if you can't block this hook you're not beating Roy. You understand me? If you can't block this hook, you're not beating Roy. Those things are understood before the fight ever starts. I don't care who you are. If you jab bad and you ain't going to block this hook, you ain't going to beat Roy. So do you think like for young fighters, well first of all, it's got to be an amazing opportunity to train with an all-time great, period. But to get into your head

and for you to explain to them how you approach situations, how you approach fights, how you approach stepping into explain to them how you approach situations, how you approach fights, how you approach stepping into that ring, how you approach dismantling opponents, that's got to rub off on young kids. Yeah, it does. That's what I try to do. Some kids get it, some kids don't,

but my goal is to try to get it to all of them or get it in all of them's head, get them at least to start thinking in the right direction because if I can make them think in the right direction, now I got something. You understand me? I got to make them think in the right direction first. See, most guys want contact. You understand me? Contact is like, I got a guy, one of my guys I work with often,

named James Wilkins. He works harder than everybody everywhere. But I got to teach him that it's not about how hard you work it's how smart you work hard you understand me because you're working hard without smart you're not gonna get nowhere then you can over train yeah you're over train and you're not getting no better because you're not working support right so so many boxes have not gone to basically strength and conditioning so my friend Tom young Kelo has started

a channel and uh Tommy and Keller has a channel and his thing is he teaches boxing yeah how do you say his name Tom young Kelo how do you spell that why a enkei oh okay and his thing he has a thing where he starts to teach because he realizes there's not a lot of coaches left in boxing so he's teaching boxing the right way now yes Tammy and with that being said he's gonna help give back to people because if you just go on YouTube and look him up you'll see him but he got a lot of stuff on me on that right now. There you go Okay, I've seen Those Pat those little flippy pads. Those are like they're different right? Yes. What do you like about those? Well, I like them cause they don't hurt your hands and you're a big puncher like I am you ain't got a rubber hurt

Your hands right one with guys hold the hands they hurt your hands, but he gives a lot of knowledge He teaches a lot. He teaches the sport the right way yes damming so I like people like him because he doing this thing the way it's supposed to be done hmm well the beautiful opportunity that people have now to learn shit on YouTube yes that just was not available before you could spend day after day after day watching YouTube videos and instructions and and watching old fights too man of course old fights is some of the best knowledge you're going to get yeah but having somebody like him that's also teaching it helps you a whole lot out of all the old fighters is there one that really stands out to you that you you enjoyed watching uh sugar robinson probably was the one i watched

the most but my favorite fight of all time is mu Ali. Muhammad Ali, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Salvador Sanchez would be my second and third. Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Salvador Sanchez. And you can mix them in and kind of wait because I got my top three qualities from those three. What'd you get from Muhammad Ali? How to be a showman and how to have class inside and outside of the ring.

And how to outthink your opponent with your mind before you beat him with your fists. No one played better mind games than him. Exactly. And he was doing it back when nobody did. The Sonny Liston fight, they literally were almost not going to let him fight. They thought he was crazy.

They're like, your blood pressure's off the charts, man. He did that every time. Because he got so hyper before he fought. Yeah. Yeah. But he was, man, what a unique human being. He was about as unique as it gets. I always point to people, too.

I say, if you look at Muhammad Ali, you got to look at Muhammad Ali before they made him take three years off. You watch the Cleveland Big Cat Williams fight. I'm like, name a fucking heavyweight that moved like that. Not now. Not with that kind of speed. Not with that kind of footwork i mean come on the footwork precision everything it's like faster than the middleweight literally literally no bullshit literally faster than a middleweight and a full-blown heavyweight with length and reach and power and everything couldn't deal with and then also as a human being outside of the ring I mean a cultural force just a nun I remember when I was a kid my parents

weren't boxing fans at all but when Muhammad Ali was making that comeback fight against Leon Spinks he lost the Spinks the first time and then the second time they're fighting again my parents watched it we want to see him win the title back and it wasn't my parents were hippies right they weren't boxing fans but he stood for more than boxing he stood for what's good in the world he stood for rejecting evil he stood for there's a man who gave up his career because he didn't want to fight in vietnam because he thought the war was wrong and people don't understand but that's the second reason i accepted the russian citizenship because muham Muhammad Ali showed me that we live here as one.

We shouldn't live as individuals. We should live here as one. Everybody should be respected, looked upon equal. You understand me? And because the Russians did that, that's why I accepted what they gave me because they're looking at me as equal. Not that I'm an athlete, not that I'm a boxer, not that I'm black, but that I'm equal and that they love what I did. They love what I stood for. And they would love to invite me to be a part of their culture as well as the United States.

That's a beautiful way to look at it. Yep. That is a, you talk about a country that has a great history of combat sports too, man. My God, between wrestling, MMA, boxing. I mean, there's so many of these up-and-coming boxers now that also are these great fighters that happen to be Russian but everything is carrying over now because yeah because of the internet people can now see things differently and you know you can learn like I said you can look at this you can

watch old fights over and over and learn what your favorite fighter did or what his attributes were or what you like about what made him great that's why I used to look for what made people great like you understand this I got my left body shot from Edelman stop for Muhammad back when he was Eddie Gregory Wow Wow priest binks exactly right Wow that's why I got my left level shot from Eddie Gregory also known as Edelman stop up became a great trainer you better believe it you better believe That's where I got my left level shot from. Eddie Gregory, also known as Eddie Mustafa Muhammad. Who became a great trainer, too, by the way. You better believe it.

Yeah. Wow. That's old school, man. Yes, sir. And I got my defense. I could go a whole round without getting hit from Wilford Benitez. Ah. Best defensive fighter besides Willie Pipp, I think, to ever live.

He was pretty special. Well, you got to throw Pernell Whitaker in that mix, too. Well, he was good defensively, too, but he wasn't as defensively as those guys were yeah yeah there's i mean there's so many greats to study and and learn little bits and pieces from i mean that was one of the big things that mike tyson did of course you know he's just spent of course a giant chunk of his youth watching and that's and that's what people don't understand about mike mike is very well versed in boxing he knows what the hell he's doing he knows how to solve a puzzle in a boxing ring yeah more so than anything else in life he knows how to solve any riddle he needs to solve in a boxing ring people don't give him enough credit for that no they don't i mean mike tyson

is a he's a fascinating human being and his mind is he has things that he focuses on and that's where you find out who he is when you talk to him about the things he focuses on because he knows a lot about the things that he focuses on exactly a lot more than you ever ever expect yeah he's he's intense when he taught when he talks to you about the things that that are interesting and important to him you see that intensity that's when it all comes out. Yep. Now, you're 51 now? Yep.

What is the difference between training at 51 than training at 31? At 51, you need one or two more days to recover than you did at 31. Stuff that hurts, it hurts a little bit longer at 51 than it did at 31. Are you doing things differently? Yeah, you got to do things differently. You have to take days off a little bit longer at 51 than it did at 31. Are you doing things differently? Yeah, you gotta do things differently. You have to take days off a little bit more frequently than you would have wanted to back when you were 31. When I was 31, I didn't need no days off.

Right. I'd go all the time. At 51, after about two or three days, you have to say, okay, let me hold up a minute because if you don't, then Nia say, okay, you might wanna go, but I ain't going today. Right. So are you using any technology in terms of like heart rate monitors to know you just going by feel I'm old school you know I go by feel I feel it's day I get it today I don't

feel it today we're resting get it tomorrow are you using any new school recovery methods like like using sauna are using ice pun as well as I do the ice arm I did a couple of little things I tried one thing that made me stop I was doing a thing called protect I think and they said I got to stop because he got some minute that didn't work so what is that protect it's a thing like they give you is for my knees basically mm-hmm and it's supposed to help get the cartilage back in my knees okay so wasn't working it was working but they said there are things and that may not pass the test

every ticket oh you can't do that no more so I couldn't do it but I really enjoyed it because it made money feel a lot better but they say you gotta be careful now cuz I guess some something on there may not some forbidden thing it's called pro tech it's yeah. See, what is that? Okay. I'm curious about that because my knees are all fucked up. Yeah. So, you know, I got a couple people that can help you out with your knees, though, because

there's another lady down where I live, Dr. Depper. She can really help your knees out, too. She's also, she's the one who gave me the shot with the Pro-Tech, but she has another product that she uses that I think her is made past the test so i don't know i'm not gonna take it this time though because i was tried this and they said the doctor told me that i can't do it again so i gotta stop now what kind of testing are they doing for this fight they said they're doing regular fight testing so just like they would do in a normal fight we're gonna get tested as though we are regular athletes as though we're fighting

a regular sanctioned fight vada has already been to my house once vada yes so you can't be on any testosterone replacement no growth hormone no peptides nope no nothing just 51 years of life yep and if you ain't got it in them 51 years of life then too bad you ain't getting it well it certainly helps if you had it and never lost it. Right. We were talking about that before we got here.

You never stop moving. I never stop moving, so that's a good thing for me. Yeah. When we were kids and we looked at 51-year-olds. We thought they were super old. They were grandfathers.

Yeah, they were dead. They were throwing triple F hooks at lightning speed. Not at 51. No, not at 51. Yeah. So just the days off, that's the only thing that's almost. Lightning speed. Not at 51. No, not at 51. Yeah. So just the days off, that's the only thing that's different.

That's really the only thing. Well, I don't go as long when I train. What's a typical session for you? A typical session is now 12 to 13, 12, maybe 15 rounds max. It used to be 16 to 24 rounds. Now it's like 12 to 15 max. And some of those are low impact rounds even because you don't want to

overdo it because you do too much tear lick tendons in your arm again, mess your hands up again. You don't want to mess nothing up, but a fight does not happen. Now do you have a person who's making your schedule or do you do everything yourself? I do a little bit of it myself. I've got

a few people to help out. My wife helps out some, but she's doing her thing with the she warrior brand as well so she warrior i am she warrior.com make sure y'all check that's where you get your wife to stuff yes thank you so yeah if you can pull it up i am she warrior.com so she helps you put your schedule together as well let me put schedule together, and she trains with us every day. Really? Wow. Yeah, so it's all good. There it is right here.

Yeah, there it is. Oh, very nice. That's what I'm trying to get you. Embrace every challenge as a strong, confident woman you are. Yeah. Yeah. Now, what about when you were briefly talking about strength and conditioning, do you do strength and conditioning? You see a lot of these fighters are doing like the circuit training,

high intensity, you know, like kettlebells and ropes. Yeah, I do a little bit of that, but I don't make that a vital part of my workout. I get up and do it in the mornings, like three or four days a week. I got a friend named Leaf usually. He brings this guy over and we go to work. We do it like three or four days a week mm-hmm I got a friend named leaf usually he brings this guy over and we go to work we do it at three or four days a week and um we don't make that a priority because I'm not a weightlifter mm-hmm I'm not a football player I'm a boxer right so

boxing skills still should have to be the priority you want to be in shape too but don't mistake fitness over boxing skills. Some people now prefer fitness over boxing skills. But when you run into a guy that has boxing skills and a little bit of fitness, he going to beat you. Yeah. The most important thing is efficiency and skill. Boxing skills. Yeah. How did that happen where this thing got confused that way? Well, I think what really happened is a lot of the foreigners started picking up a little bit about boxing skills, too.

And they were always super fit, but they didn't have the boxing skills. Now that they have the internet, they can get the boxing skills. So they can pick up one or two little tricks, put it with that conditioning, and you're going to get beat because they can do this all night. put it with that conditioning and you finna get beat cause they can do this all night well when you see a guy who's like super strong

super fit and dominates people with that it tempts people until they think that's the that's the way like uh

Arter Bitter Beef that's exactly right woo super strong guy that motherfucker's a tank a killer he's such a tank a killer

I love watching that guy fight but he's been down twice, too, though. Yes, he has. But he gets in wars. Yeah. Yeah, he gets in wars. But that fucking guy, he is seeking to destroy every fight.

One of the strongest powerful punchers I've ever seen. Ever. I mean, I'm a giant fan of his. And I love watching his fights because that's what you're going to get. You're going to get seek and destroy every fight. And see, the problem is, in our country, we're not open-minded enough to be able to see good fights,

no matter what race they are. Because if you think about it, Arthur Bitterbeath and B-Ball, Demetri B-Ball, would be a sugary little tamarind type fight right now. Right now, yeah. There he is. Look at that motherfucker.

He's so jacked. These two guys can freaking punch, and they both can fight. You feel me? type fight right now right now i mean because there he is look at that motherfucker hey he's so jacked guys can freaking punch and they both can fight you feel me yeah it's well i just think people maybe don't have the understanding and appreciation of boxing as a whole as they used to back in your day yeah we're more closed-minded you know what i mean so well it's just it's unfortunate because he's i think he's like 37 now. So he's... Getting to the later stages of his life. He's in his prime still, but he's like the outside edge is...

How old is he? 35. Oh, that's not that bad. But still, really from 35 on is when... Unless you're Bernard Hopkins. Fucking that guy, man. And again, but that guy speaks to discipline and boxing skill, right?

I mean, that's what led Bernard Hopkins to have such an incredible career. That's right, because of the boxing skills. Not just the strength and conditioning, but boxing skills along with a little strength and conditioning. I remember back when he was the executioner, when he fought Felix Trinidad, people were already counting him out.

They were like, he's too old. And you think about he knocked out Felix Trinidad. I want to say he was like 36 back then. And that was just the beginning. That was just the beginning. He went on to have this incredible career post 36. And he won't tell nobody the truth ever, but he came to Pensacola before he did that

and asked me what should he do now because he really wanted to fight McGann 200 cents, but it wasn't really the money that he wanted. So I told him, listen, you could beat all those small guys. Go down one to fight Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya, be your name back up, and you'll get someone. And he did exactly that yeah I know he won't ever tell him about a truth that I told him that but I did and I ain't got no

reason to lie to you I did just like I told Tyson Fury that if he just took five years of his life and dedicated back to boxing he beat the majority of the heavyweights out there today because the ones that are on top mentally he can beat. He's mentally better than most of them, but he's got to dedicate himself to the sport. And look where he's at right now. Well, it's funny that, you know, when you talk to Tyson Fury, his father told him to not take the first Deontay Wilder fight. He said, you're not ready.

He said, you haven't fully recovered physically from all the years of drinking and abuse that he's put on his body. He just, you know, after he beat Vladimir Klitschko and won the title, you know, he kind of went crazy for a while. And he was open about that, about his issues with alcoholism and mental illness. But his father was like, you haven't come back yet. You're not all the way back. Right. So they have that fight.

Fight ends in a draw. Crazy fight. And then the rematch. Jesus Christ. It was like seeing him take it to Deontay Wilder. You want to talk about a hard puncher. Deontay Wilder is one of the freakiest punchers I've ever seen in my life. Freaky.

Freaky powerful. With the right hand especially. Yeah. Freaky. When he knocked out Ortiz with that right hand to the forehead and just flatlined him, he was like, he's sitting there like, what in the fuck just happened? He just crazy power. But Tyson Fury's boxing skill, his boxing skill, and the fact that he started training

with Sugar Hill, Kronk fighter before that, Kronk trainer, and had that super aggressive in your face style and just really used those, and had that super aggressive in-your-face style, and just really used those boxing skills and got super aggressive in the rematch, and had Deontay on the back heel. That was the main thing. And when you're not as powerful as Deontay, you have to think of other ways to do it. And the fact that when they fight Tyson Fury, same thing happened with Klitschko. They're not punching down or straight ahead. They got to punch up.

That takes a lot of power away from those good right hand punches. So if you have a good Joe Frazier type, George Foreman type hook or Ken Norton type hook, then you're going to be in trouble if you got to punch up here. The hook is still deadly up here, but the right hand going up here takes a little bit off of it.

That's just the law of gravity. If you don't know that, there's something wrong with him. I was just amazed that got up and after the 12th round the first fight i was too i was too i truly was when you know what a crusher dionte is and the fact he went right hand and then left hook on the way down and then went like this because he's like it's over and that's what really shocked him the most that put him in a state of shock for uh fury to come off of that floor yeah and come back the way he did. And come back and win the rest of the round. He'd never had nobody do that to him before in his life, I guarantee you.

No, no. I guarantee you. I couldn't believe he did it. Guarantee you never had nobody in his life to do him like Tyson Fury did that in his life. I think that's one of the greatest comebacks ever in a round. Without a question. To have him flat. Like, I thought it was over. I remember watching it at home. I went, oh! that's one of the greatest comebacks ever in a round without a question to have him flat like

i thought it was over i remember watching at home i went oh i'm gonna see the front of my bed going oh 12th round stopped him in the 12th round and dionte 209 pounds for that fight which is crazy yeah i mean he about as light as anyone who's ever fought for the title and been a title holder. And then also you think about how many fights he won by KO. He won all his fights by KO except one. But that hurt him, though, because he never had to box. So now he don't know how to box and go that way. I mean, no, go this way.

He knows how to go this way, but he never had to learn how to box and go that way. And that hurt him when he met somebody that can fight going both ways. The first way, Tyson Fury fought him going like this. Second way, Tyson Fury fought him going like this. Straight forward. What advice would you give Deontay? Like if he came to you, if he's listening to this, because I've heard that Floyd is interested in training him.

But if he came to you, what advice would you give to him? is interested in training him. But if he came to you, what advice would you give to him? Well, we go back to learning how to use our jab and developing our left hand. Because once we develop the left hand, the right hand already left. We don't need that.

We learn how to operate with developing that left hand. We develop the left hand, make it become a weapon before the right hand. Now it's hard to beat us with the left hand. If we add the right to it, we're unstoppable. So you would concentrate on the left hand? Right away. Right away.

How much time would you give him? If you said, like, if we have all the time in the world, it's up to you to pick when the next fight is. How much time would you like to see him spend working on something like that? Six months. Six months. Six months and nobody would beat him again. They'd have a hard time beating him again, I should say. But it'd take that six months six months six months and nobody would beat him again they have

a hard time beating him again i should say but it'll take him six months would you want him what would you want him to do with his footwork because one of the things about dionte is he throws everything into his punches and sometimes and that's what we would change that's why we were focusing the left hand more because the left hand right now he don't think it's a killer hand he throws a jab with it but he's looking to kill with the right hand. Right. But we've got to become, you've got to make him diverse. You've got to be the kill of the left or the right. And you've got to make everything used as a unit. You've got to make him use everything as a unit.

If you don't make him use everything as a unit, then it's not good for him. So to focus on one punch kind of takes everything else out the game. If that one punch don't work, what are we going to do now? Now, in his struggles with backing up and moving back, what would you have him do with that? Would you have him concentrate on cutting angles? No. Moving left to right?

We know how to fix that too, but that's part of that jab. Right. You know, it's how we use the left hand. The left hand is going to allow us to go in every direction whenever we need to. But the left hand is most important. The left hand and feet as defense. Now, do you ever reach out to fighters like you see a fighter like that have a loss no now after all the only fight i've tried

to reach out to was um i forget the guy's name lenares well lenares was about to fight lobo chingo because i know it's gonna be a good fight and uh i was gonna reach out to him but he had trained so i didn't reach out to him but i he had to train, so I didn't even reach out to him. But if he would have asked, I would have accepted that because that's a hard fight for him to fight. And I know Lenard, he's a good guy, but he had a chance to win that fight. But the way they trained him to fight, it took all of it away. It's interesting because you, as a multiple division world champion, but also a commentator, when you were doing it for HBO, you could point out little things. Right away.

Yeah. Did you ever have fighters come up to you and thank you for that point? Thank me, tell me what I told them, tell me what I said they need to get better at, tell me I made them a better fighter if they listened to the commentary and saw the mistakes that they were making. So often I can look at a guy and break him down right away. It's also got to be crazy for a fighter to be fighting and I mean I know there's a giant amount of them that were huge Roy Jones jr. fans and now

they're looking over and you're talking about them while they're fighting that's got to be a trip my guy got Andrew I think it's Andrew Murphy's little name sure Andrew last name it but Andrew he always says they say I'm so amazed deal that I'm here taking instructions from you Bryant says it too so it's just they always they're happy though to be there so I got another kid named Mark 12 got from Mobile Alabama so and waiting waiting my next door maybe 15 years old he's gonna be a banger too so but they love taking instruction from me and I enjoy it so it's all good well it's obvious that you enjoy it and for them that's first of all it's an amazing honor for

them but also it's got to be so motivational yeah you know it is and I think for them to really see me still getting active at 51 mm-hmm now they're like wow he still does it like that so now we understand what he's saying because how can we be slower than him he 51 and we can't do it that fast so we got problems yes y'all got major issues now get up yes well it's just beautiful to see how much energy you have enthusiasm you have and that's that's really what life's all about right yes it is man but having energy being a positive force in the world and just helping other people you know if you do that you're doing the right thing if you're not doing that about having energy, being a positive force in the world, and just helping other people.

If you do that, you're doing the right thing. If you're not doing that, then you're almost wasting time. Because why did God give you life if you're not going to help the next person? Beautiful. I love it. Roy Jones Jr., November 28th. I'm going to be watching. I think I'm going to be there. I think I'm going to go. I think I'm going to go.

I think I'm allowed to go if I just have to take a COVID test and I can sit. I really appreciate it. I would love for you to be there. I'm starting my YouTube channel too soon. So if you want to look out for that. Let me know what that is and I will promote that for you. I'll let everybody know. And I'll be back on here soon too.

Let's do it. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much, man. Thank you. Roy Jones Jr. Be up. Thank you.