The Joe Rogan Experience - #1553 - Maynard James Keenan

Episode Date: October 23, 2020

Maynard James Keenan is a singer, songwriter, producer, winemaker, actor, and martial artist best known as the vocalist for Grammy Award-winning rock band Tool, Puscifer, and A Perfect Circle. Look for "Existential Reckoning", the new album from Puscifer, on October 30.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day oh hello man hey bro is this how you're wearing your mask now on the wrist that's cool i just forget to bring it with me so if i just like hanging on my nose i just bring it it's a new move yeah people will do that now they will see you and say one side of the watch but your miniature schnauzer right here oh you have a cute little dog dude that picture your dog is adorable yeah she's awesome she's out what's her name taking a walk miho miho yeah she's 15 what does miho stand for uh beauty crest of a wave it's japanese oh okay deadly little miho from uh sin city which one was that she had the the swords oh right from the movie yeah sin city sin city was a

movie but it was also uh the comic book comic book yeah was she in the comic book as well i don't know that movie was fucking good man yeah i forgot all about that movie until just now. Yeah, she's named after a deadly little mijo. So we were talking about how, well, we didn't talk about how the new Puss in Her album comes out on the 30th. I listened to what is available, and it sounds awesome. There's a lot of layers to that shit, man. There's all kinds of sounds coming at you from all over the place. Yeah, Matt, normally what happens with our recording process is that I'll have an idea or Matt will have an idea, and we'll just kind of set down a direction.

For example, I'll go mandolin, drum machine, banjo. Let's just start there and start to see what we can build on this thing. And then you have an album like Conditions of My Parole. And then you have an album like Conditions of My Parole. On this, he picked up an old Fairlight. And making a Fairlight actually work nowadays. I don't know what a Fairlight is. It's a synthesizer.

And you've heard it on Peter Gabriel used it, Art of Noise. I think Yes might have used versions like a Synclavier or a Fairlight. I'm going to get that wrong. And Matt's going to just, he's got his face in his palm right now. But, you know, so there's very specific sounds that come out of these, and there's a learning curve to go with it. But the cool thing is that it kind of paints you into a sonic corner, and then you start layering on that. And then, of course, unconsciously or consciously,

you start thinking of all the stuff you heard in the 80 the 80s you know uh that that was used on yeah so you start reacting in in that way for those sounds and then you know karina coming in on top of me adding her piece uh and then just that kind of you know that kind of three-way chest that we have going on as a non-musician it's always interesting to see like the way people react to synthesizers there's synthesizers got to be one of the most polarizing sounds and all but obviously it's responsible for some amazing songs absolutely undeniably yeah but for whatever reason people are either a love or hate that kind of sound well yeah whenever you know when you have people that are uh like i don't know man i like live music you know totally live music so you're big you know and then you kind of

wait come back around go what do you think of craftwork oh i love craftwork they they put robots on stage and push a button and and you pay money to watch four mannequins play the songs. It's basically like Chuck E. Cheese. Yeah. But I love Kraftwerk. But it's funny when people don't quite make the connection of they don't know what it is they're saying. Well, it becomes almost an ideological thing.

It's like you're opposed to it because it's a non-cool thing or something. Yeah. Do you remember when jump came out and everybody was like what the fuck has happened to Van Halen if they lost their mind what is this dude dude dude dude dude meanwhile one of the biggest fucking songs they've ever put out yeah yeah massive super blockbuster yeah but some people were just like this is the end well i remember uh living in boston uh we had the classic rock uh station play yeah for wbcn uh i think it was it might have been bcn what's the other one okay aaf bcn bc i think it was bcn but it was like it was a classic rock channel and this this was 87 uh yeah 88 i was there and uh

and i remember people losing their shit because they tried to play van halen on that station they're like that's not classic rock bro they're like they really were very adamant about like no no no no van halen is hairband that's like some kind of glam rock thing they were you know bostonians just getting just getting their panties in a bunch at their Van Halen on BCN. Yeah, there was a real resistance to hair metal. There was hairband music came around, even Guns N' Roses.

People put it in the hairband category, and I'm like, boy, you're splitting hairs. Yeah, absolutely. It's hardly hairband music. It's Sweet Child O' mine and like you know welcome to the jungle i mean these these are fucking great songs it's hard like hairband to me is like i get why people would like it i understand it but it's it's simple it's like it's a piece of candy yes you know whereas like uh you know guns and roses had they put out some fine meals you know some of their some of their songs were you know there were it was one meal but it was a

good meal but they were like well-crafted pieces whereas you know there's i don't want to name some bands but there's some you know some bands they wore eyelash extensions and fucking crazy hair. Bowie. Bowie. He did. That's right. You're right. Good point.

Nobody's giving him shit. No, he can't give him shit. How undeniable is Michael Jackson that even though people think he most likely did some horrible shit they still play his music yeah and oddly enough the the fairlight is part of uh some of those records sure boom boom boom boom that's all those that's all those uh synthesizers we're talking about when did synthesizers come around like what was the first introduction like when when did they hit get modern music I'm having a brain fart damn it maybe it'll come it's a it's what it's a it there's a specific but there was there was sound manipulation that band started introducing before

prior to that right like hendrix started doing weird with pedals and yeah you got a melatron which is like kind of recorded on tape and it's it's looped and you're playing you know the recorded sounds on these like on these looping cassettes but that was still kind of analog and i'm having there's a specific keyboard, and I'm bad at that. It must be the 56, bro. Dude, I'm 53. I get it. My brain is, my memory is so inconsistent. Like, sometimes it's amazing, and sometimes it's just straight dog shit.

Like, people I've known for 10 years, I can't remember their fucking name. It doesn't make any sense. Things that I know what that thing is, and I can't fucking. By the way way it's good to see george over here george george his name is brian oh we should probably explain what's happened um this almost didn't happen young jamie got the covid young jamie's got a new lady friend and the new lady friend wanted to go to a bar and young jamie was like okay so he went to a bar and bars in texas they do not give a fuck out here they they go outside and they're on a patio and they just drink like there's no covet

and they're bumper to bumper with people all partying down and a few days later jamie thought he had a sinus infection he was uh just all stuffed up and felt like shit only for a day and then the next day he started to feel better. The day after that he's like, I can't be COVID. He's like, I know I have allergies. He has allergies. And it's ragweed season apparently. Comes in, gets tested.

And the only one we were concerned with is our employee Jeff, our friend Jeff. And Jeff was actually fairly close to Jamie for a few minutes talking to him. I never got any closer than 20 feet from him, and most of the time I was about 30 to 40 feet from him. As soon as I found, because Jamie came in first and got tested first, and as soon as I found he didn't feel well, I stayed the fuck away from him. I thought because I was in the room with him, maybe I would have to quarantine, but the doctor said, how close were you?

And I was like, no closer than 20 feet. He's like, you don't have to worry about it. Just get tested every day. And so I'm three negative tests in a row. So I'm 99.999% sure I'm good. But Jeff, I'm a little worried about. So Jeff's not here today. Poor bastard.

But we almost didn't do it. Because I thought the protocol was i was gonna have to stay up but they said no they consider close contact uh six feet or closer for more than 15 minutes and they're really close oh that kind of close yeah yeah i wonder if you do you get it from fucking brian you would know yeah absolutely it's liquids that's how i got mine did you wow amazing but you fuck so much how would you know that's how you got i fucked myself oh because you're not sure then so anyway we pulled it off and we did do it so here we are the other thing that's coming out tomorrow is a tape where apparently rudy gi Giuliani tries to fuck a 15 year old.

Allegedly. Allegedly. What's funny is like apparently his take on it and again he's older than us so his memory is probably terrible because it happened quite a while ago that they filmed this. His take on it was he was proud that they didn't get him the way they've got other people. And the article that I

was reading last night it's it's the death of journalism is so goddamn apparent when you read articles and then you see the actual thing and you go what the fuck did you just write because this is not what it is right this is like these takes on things that are so it's there it's there's so much hyperbole, and there's so much exaggeration and bias. Until we watch it, we won't be able to. Yeah, so I'm excited. It comes out tomorrow, though. But, you know, you had me at Borat.

Yeah, I had Borat. I mean, listen, I still think Ali G. in the house is one of the most underrated comedy films of all time. It is good. Especially if you like weed. I wouldn't recommend it this month sober october but when sober october's over ology in the house i i actually bought a uk version of a vhs player because it was only available on vhs from the uk okay was it vhs or dvd you're talking about the dvd you're talking about the actual allergy series no it was a movie You're talking about the actual Ali G series?

No, it was a movie. Oh, yeah, that one too. Ali G made a movie. But even the series wasn't available over here for a long time. Right, for a long time. You had to do the conversion. But he had a movie. You're right, Brian.

It was a DVD, and it was in all regions. I had to buy an all regions player. And because players were limited to certain regions. It was really weird i don't i had that too what do you know what the science behind that is uh it was different frequencies i think it was pal versus h or ntsc ntsc or something like that and some of them were universal they would play everything yeah some of the the cheaper ones that you could buy like at fries had like a secret like menu you could switch it back and forth yeah that was the key right it was like a

cheaper one yeah yeah so i had to buy one i bought literally bought a dvd player specifically for this film me and eddie bravo got barbecued and we watched this and could not stop laughing it's a fucking hilarious movie it's really ridiculous so apparently that that comes out tomorrow and rudy giuliani is allegedly trying to fuck a 15-year-old. But it wasn't really a 15-year-old. She was in her 20s playing a 15-year-old. Here it goes.

Rudy Giuliani speaks out about on Borat 2 controversy, calls it hit job over Hunter Biden campaign. How could it be a hit job over the Hunter Biden campaign if they shot it in July, bro? There's no logic to it right it's just they're just trying to cover their ass i think they have to say that i want to know what the girl looked like because they said she was playing a girl was 15 but i believe she's like 25 or something like that how old is the gal oh here's the oh that's him with his hand on his pants. Oh, Jesus Christ. Looking for Hunter Biden's laptop in there somewhere. I guess he was saying he was tucking in his shirt, but...

Why would he do that? Lying on the bed. Imagine if that was him in your room lying on the bed. You'd be like, hey, man, what are you doing? Unless, like, you'd have to be a good friend where they were so comfortable, they could lie on their bed and adjust their balls. Yeah, I know. But if you just met a person and you're lying in the bed with the hand on the johnson

with does he have sunglasses on too it looks like he's on coke that's what i think he's got to be he's probably smoking it smoking coke he's on viagra and this girl's touching him too she's checking off his microphone apparently because well maybe he did have the wire tucked because they do tuck them down your pants that is true yeah i would like to see the film the footage of it we're gonna tomorrow yeah because if that that's the only thing that does make sense in his defense like if because sometimes they put those things down your pants and you do got to get in there to get the wire out if he's taking the microphone off yeah i don't know also i don't know just put mine back here like drop it down my jacket and put it on the back here i don't know why he's putting it in his pants

true that's true too yeah why would you have it in the front he might have had it in the front pocket so he could sit down um they often do that they'll put the mic in your front pocket as opposed to in your uh back the back area because if you sit down on a chair that thing digs in your back i've had it in my front pocket before but the thing is like the gal see they're being pretty good about not showing they're not showing her yeah i want to know like did he know that she was supposed to be 15 or did he just think she was a girl here's the thing if if if she is in her 20s and this is all speculation right if she is in her 20s and she's beautiful the problem is he's gross and he's old and a beautiful girl if she was and we would have to see the footage but if she was being flirtatious like he's he's helpless yeah he's under a spell nice like an old up look at dude like that if he thinks like oh my god

this might like that might be the last time i'm gonna have a heart attack tonight yeah that a gal who's an attractive young gal decides to uh but a dude in his lawyer a dude in his position has to know that that's coming like that you that a setup is coming a setup is coming maybe not anymore maybe he forgot like he's old dude yeah you know yeah i mean you gotta think not only that but he's been under this tremendous stress of being a top lawyer for the the most fucked up administration in the history of the united states so it's like the just just the legal shit he's been battling back and forth yeah it's a shit show it's a shit show his brains probably hosed and he's probably in this hotel room going oh this is versus throwing me a bone oh yes

yes it is oh yes a big old bone just not for you to chew on the hits never stop it just never stops there's like every time you think well the world's gonna be normal today i mean we've gotten it all out of the way nope no new thing arizona is now spiking in in supposed uh cases of covid are they yeah they were spiking for a while but it was uh was young folks, and it wasn't an issue. It was like young folks were getting it, but the deaths were very low. You had a bad case, right? I didn't have a bad case. Yes and no.

A medium bad case. So it was one of those, you know, I'm in Australia. We went out to dinner, my buddy Todd, Fox, and Chris, and immediately food didn't taste right but this is now this is all hindsight right I didn't know at the time we didn't know that these are the right things you're looking for like immediately what year was I mean what month was this February yeah so this is nobody said you know nobody knew what to tell you I immediately was sick then I had to get out on international flight

the next morning fly to New Zealand oh you're a super spreader you brought it to New Zealand I brought it it was in me and I put it in you so we got there I was like 4 days in the hotel

because we had 4 days off before the shows so I was just drinking water hot showers, taking care of myself hot tea uh just trying to get through it and it sucked but it wasn't but you didn't know yet that like what how bad this thing could have been if i didn't know how bad it could have been i would have been freaking out right you'd have probably yeah that's interesting right so we isolated pretty well like i mean i wore a mask i grabbed a mask you know before i even got on the plane uh because i just instinctually like just having you know friends that are that are you know

going to taiwan and going to japan like you just see the mask like okay i'm probably just gonna wear the mask so this was pre-awareness of covid well no that was it was happening but you didn't connect the dots you didn't think you had i asked the doctor when i got to new zealand do you think this is co but he's like did you have a fever i'm like i don't remember if i had a fever well then you didn't have coat you don't have coven okay doctors are cocky sometimes yeah so i got through that um we did the i was able to do the show i didn't close my throat down enough to i would have to cancel um then the next shows were going to be in the northwest how hard was it to sing it was not it was not fun it was not fun we had to kind of adjust the set around a little bit don't put the hard ones in

i got to hawaii to go train with uh luis um and some of the guys there uh Chad was a Muay Thai instructor. And I'm starting to do the Muay Thai, and I'm like, dude, this hurts. Like, I've never, my hands have never hurt this bad. I thought maybe I sprained them, because right after I recovered in New Zealand, I went and trained in New Zealand, thinking, I'm just going to fucking gut it out. You know, gut it out. I'm going to walk it off, rub some dirt on it. And I felt okay then but when i got the when i finally got to maui i'm like this is not right this hurts i can't

fucking do this i thought well maybe i spray my wrist so months go by that they're not healing i'm going through harvest at this point and like nothing's like they're not healing up we should explain harvest your winery yeah so getting into the grapes but i finally went to a uh a doctor uh arthritis arthritis doctor and he was like okay so walk me through when you first saw the da da da and i started walking him through everything he goes you had covid and what what some of the side effects that you find are that, you know, inflammation. So whatever, I guess. So it's some kind of a rheumatoid response. That alone would be, well, maybe I'm just 56 and I have arthritis,

but my blood work was completely clean everywhere else. No other issues anywhere else in my body but just the wrists, explaining that. But I still have the cough. So whatever cough i had whatever cough i got in new zealand like every other day i'll have a coughing fit for you know for 10 minutes coughing up stuff so i have lung damage from uh from it still still yeah still every other day now yeah now um when you train is your cardio diminished yeah how much uh enough to work and it's just my mom you know well a my motivation is diminished because i'm like trying

to do stuff and my hands hurt still uh not anymore now that i'm now that i'm on medication what medication did we you know methotrexate you're on meth i'm smoking meth to get through it. You look great. Thank you. Most meth heads, they get sketchy. It's much easier to push that second helping away now with the meth. Right. You've got no appetite.

But no, methotrexate, which is not fun to be on, but my wrists have cleared up. Now I'm back to doing stuff. What is methotrexate normally it's like a it's for rheumatoid arthritis but it's all it's basically a chemotherapy yeah have you tried cbd i'm on cbd now have you tried cbd without the methotrexate stuff no no because i've had a lot of the methotrexate goes for about it's like a you know i did i've done it for now 10 weeks i have another five weeks supposedly i'm gonna do but i'm gonna continue the cbd after that what how much cbd are you taking a day a drop a dropper just one yeah i'm taking i take a thousand milligrams a day so it's a high dose, but I find that... How big is that? It's a lot of droppers.

Okay. It depends on... I use CBDMD, and I forget. I think it's the 1,300 milligram dropper. I forget how many droppers I have to do it to hit 1,000 a day, but that seems to be the magic number. I have... It's kind of like turf toe, but it's from kicking.

I have some pretty intense pain sometimes in my big toe, particularly after a hard heavy bag workout. Yesterday I had it pretty bad. But man, I'll take the CBD, and now today I'm bending my toe right now on the ground. There's no pain at all. That's good. It's amazing's no pain at all. Okay. That's good. And it's amazing. I fucking love it.

Okay. I love it for so many. I love it for anxiety. I love it just for relaxation. But I really love it for joint pain. I think CBD is just... I can't sing its praises enough. I've had so many friends that have had real joint problems, like real pain and then the cbd just completely takes it away i've had friends dog the dog was

having a really hard time walking like walk with a limp he gives the dog cbd and like two hours later the dog's like up and moving around and he's like this is crazy listening to chicken chong records getting high just chilling um d Dave Foley had pretty bad arthritis in his hands to the point where he couldn't straighten his fingers out. Got on CBD, and now his hands are just mobile again. All right. Yeah. Stuff's legit.

It's just that and adjusting the diet are the two main things. That's what I noticed. This flares up when I have more than a glass of wine and some gluten in the dinner. Yeah. noticed this flares up when i like i have more than a glass of wine and some gluten in the in the dinner yeah then it flares up so there's it's connected that goddamn gluten there's something about it have you uh but you your restaurant you use heirloom pasta though don't you we were i mean it's it's 50 50 it's it's commercial flour with because we're finding

that it's not holding up like you expect pasta to hold up. In what way? In the texture? Yeah, just texture doesn't hold, so we're doing a blend of the heirloom along with commercial. That's interesting. It doesn't hold up. But in Italy, they use the heirloom wheat, right? No? Not necessarily. Really?

There's a lot of Arizona wheat in there's a lot of arizona wheat in uh the stuff you get from italy really because the commodity that hard winter wheat that we grow is a great blender in and because they bring all the wheat they get it together and they send it to italy they blend it they pick their their mix and they blend it so they actually sell our wheat back to us in the form of a great italian flower but it's actually grown in the united states that's interesting when i go over there even though i eat pasta almost every day when i used to be able to go over there i didn't get bloated but if i eat pasta here i just get thick well there's so many other little things that are going on around it right so you're you're probably over

there you know for most for the average traveler you're in a foreign country it's magical you're probably over there, you know, for most, for the average traveler, you're in a foreign country. It's magical. You're walking around more. You're, you know, there's lots of stairs. You're eating dinner probably earlier in the day or whatever, but you're still walking around. Your activities are increased and the wines you're having are probably nicer quality wines. increased and the wines you're having are probably nicer quality wines so all that stuff ends up being a better experience for you so your body's not reacting anyway over here you're like maybe i won't go for the walk um maybe i'll drink more than i should i like what you're saying but no

not me all right over here i work out like a fucking terrorist and over there i barely work out at all i'm getting hammered every day i'm eating i'm eating until i literally can't stick another ravioli in my face no that's not what's going on i don't know what's going on i'm definitely walking around quite a bit you know but i work out i'm just always doing something here yeah i don't know so and you know um i don Yeah. I don't know what it is. And, you know, I don't know. I don't know what the difference is, honestly. Because I had always thought it was the heirloom wheat. And there's a type of wheat you would know this.

What is it? Zero, zero? Yeah, tipo zero. Tipo zero, zero. So it's on the bag it actually says tipo, T-I-P-O, and then a zero, zero. And that's a very uh fine ground uh white flour and you normally for pastas you're blending that with semolina flour so it's usually about a two-thirds to one-third uh ratio and semolina is the arizona hard no no semolina is just another uh another

version of what you know what you're you're putting in that pasta to make that those glutens stick together and so that's to give it like a bite? So it has a chew to it? Yeah. Because there's a... I don't remember the brand, but I buy this particular spaghetti that's just goddamn delicious.

And it's from Italy. And it's that 00 flour. And it's just such a good pasta. And that has a better effect on me than if i buy like a standard american brand well you know that if yeah so if you're if you're buying dry pasta in the states and making your your food out of the dry pasta you probably have a lot better results if you actually made your own fresh flour pasta of sure right yeah yeah yeah fresh pasta is the shit there's it's such a different taste right yeah like pasta's oak i like pasta period

but fresh pasta like uh have you ever been to felix in venice no good lord next time you're there i brought you stuff which bring i brought your stuff what'd you bring felix in venice we'll start here a must go to restaurant we're going to get to this other one in a minute shout out to Janet you heard me talk about Todd this is another book he just wrote it's like personal protection

family protection book awesome we'll get to that in a minute but I brought you you come prepared you don't fuck around you have t-shirts that looks like a cooler is that a cooler Awesome. We'll get to that in a minute. Okay. But I brought you... You come prepared. Oh, yeah. You don't fuck around. You have t-shirts. Yep. That looks like a cooler. Is that a cooler?

Yeah, this is your cooler. These are your t-shirts. But I brought a few of our olives. Ooh, olives. A couple of wine glasses. I realize at this studio we don't have your tarantula hawk. That's at the old studio. We must bring it back. I'm leaving. We will have it. I. We must bring it back. I'm leaving. We will have it. I'm just going to leave it.

Do not worry. What is this? What are these beverages? Cider. Is this alcoholic? Yep. I'm going to drink it right now. I know.

It's November. I have... So sparkling cider, sparkling mead, sparkling white wine. Sparkling mead? Yeah. Is it made with honey? Yeah. Whoa.

I've never had that. No, you will. What is that like? I always read about that in the Conan books. It's great. It makes you want to, you know, crush your enemies. Crush your enemies. See them jumping before you.

The lamentations of the women. Of the women, yeah. Ah. Damn. These are for you. Now, are these things that you are making? Yeah, these are all, these are Pusser for Wine. Have you, when did you start doing that?

Beers and meads? A couple, a year and a half ago. Really? Yeah. What was the motivation behind that? I mean, you were busy enough with your fucking wine. Convenience. And your food and your restaurants and your music and your three bands and your.

Right. Jesus. I got bored. So I decided to take it up a notch um you're yeah you're a legit workaholic my friend oh yeah so that's for you thank you very much i'll leave it over here for you somewhere fantastic i will send a photograph when i'm drinking it on november 1st because this is for your marijuana cigarettes oh dude uh you won't be able to fit your bongs your bongs in here i don't use the bongs anymore the bong the long bong won't be able to fit your bongs in here. I don't use the bongs anymore. The long bong won't fit.

Ooh, that's a dope box, though. But this is for your marijuana cigarettes. Or your mushrooms, as it were. That's a legit lunchbox. Yeah. I had a lunchbox. My last lunchbox I had was in the 7th grade, 8th grade. 7th grade or 8th grade grade i moved to a bad neighborhood

and i realized you can't wear lunch you can't bring lunch boxes to school or kids uh get very upset with you so this is this is for you as well this is todd's new book um uh protection uh for and from humanity and i'll let you read up on that but from yeah so he's the one that got me into doing the Muay Thai stuff, and now for his book, he's actually, this is kind of his promotional item he's doing with the book is fucking gloves. He's making his own gloves? Yeah, I'm having them made, I'm sure.

Who makes these for him? I don't know. Find out. Oh, okay. Nice. You like these? Yeah. Now, you've only been doing Muay Thai for how long now?

Not even a year. And no problems with the hip?, you've only been doing Muay Thai for how long now? Not even a year. And no problems with the hip because you've got your hip replaced? No. I mean, there's a weird shift that happens in the hip. I got one of those little hammer thingies, you know, the little electric massager things. Yeah. So that's weird, right?

No. Those are good. There are guns. Yeah. So what happens is if I go a little too far, what's happening is my hip joint kind of just shifts forward a little bit and starts pinching something. And I'll just stand on my left foot, use that hammer on the hip.

Done. We're fine. You're a robot. Get back to work. You're kind of a cyborg now. Kind of a cyborg. A little bit. Now, did they give you a full hip replacement, or it just a resurfacing full hip wow yeah what is the like john wayne parr just got a hip

resurfacing and there's videos of him 12 weeks after surgery kicking the pads no for they were telling me like i can't specifically, but I want to say it was three months before I actually got back on the mats. They were like, you're not going to want to do that for six months, but you can probably start getting back and doing some things in three months. That's 12 weeks. And, of course, nine weeks. You have to get a little itchy and you want to get out there and do stuff. So, yeah. So you slowly moved around a little bit.

Yeah. If you're doing just some basic positional drills and just doing that kind of stuff, you're fine. But, you know, sparring is a, you know, then you're... Heavy loads. Then you're being a dumbass. Yeah. It's the one where they hack off the top of the hip bone, they put a fake top, and then

they screw it deep into the bone. And that kind of has to stay with you forever yeah because they can't really do that again right no that's it done but I have a weapon so if something happens as long as I can balance on one foot you pull that out I can pull this thing out it's like a big blade in the middle of my phone and I can jam it into your juggler right look at those canes that turn into a sword yes or umbrellas don't recommend it the the pain that you must have been in to agree to do that had to be pretty goddamn yeah well the guy said like and it was a lot of stomping on stage that didn't i pretty much damaged my right hip not my left because i did a lot of stomping with my right

foot did you feel pain while you were stomping no it was like you know years late that's like you know a decade or more of doing that and then i just thought that i was being a wimp um that i wasn't you know healing or i was didn't push through it or whatever or i wasn't working out enough uh but when they actually got in there like dude you have like a gob stopper for a hip. So you're, it's, there's no padding. There's nothing. It's, it looks, it's like a mangled chunk of pumice. So all of the.

Gone. Yeah. Gone. It was just like. All the cartilage chewed up. Gone. Yeah. Yeah. So.

There was no possible, uh, hope for stem cells or anything to fix that? No, they were like, they're like, were like, they just take that off the table. Really? You've had this like this for seven years, minimum, about a damage that was on the ball joint. They were like, we're surprised you weren't in here sooner. Really? Yeah.

And were you limping at all when you were walking? Yeah. It would just all of a sudden fire off and I couldn't walk. Because I remember you saying you were doing drills and you couldn't move your hip right and you thought like you had like a hip impingement or something no it was just it was i didn't have a hip god yeah good times michael bisping just got both of his knees replaced ouch he's like 43 i believe yeah i don't think he's much older than that but he said some some monsters kicking them so mm-hmm yeah there's that but it's also running he runs a lot okay yeah I ran in high

school he runs on the concrete I believe yeah I don't know where he runs but I know he's got a love of running they have concrete in a lot of places so it could be anywhere could be it could be anywhere yes yes but uh you know when you see a guy who's in his early 40s getting his knees completely replaced yeah that's terrifying so what do you think went on with um is there something similar with bone structure and and those kind of replacements that happened with uh silva's anderson silva's uh shin was it just like no he just battered just checked like why when weidman checked it he most likely cracked it on the first one and then the second one he threw it again and just snapped it in half because but i mean after so after he healed and then he went back out and he started having some leg problems and like a year later even though it

was healed like it was just wasn't healed enough or it takes a long time to heal a fracture like that when a bone snaps and half you remember frank meir when frank meir got hit by a car he was on his motorcycle he got hit by a car he was not the same for years he tried to fight again i think it was like a year and a half-ish later after the accident he wasn't the same it took it took quite a long time for the old frank and maybe you know you'd have to ask him maybe never really was the same again but uh just something about leg bones when they snap first of all you got to think you can't put any weight on them for a long time so you've got all this atrophy so all the tissue around it atrophies right and that's got to rebuild so you got to rebuild that while you're also trying to make sure that the bone is fully recovered.

And while you're pushing it, who knows what kind of damage you're going to do to the tendons and the ligaments. And, you know, it takes a long time. Unless you're doing some shit, unless you're on some steroids, it takes a long time to build that muscle back up as well. So there's a lot going on there. Which is, in a way, it's not the opposite. But for the hip replacement, they had us walking like within an hour right just to make sure as soon as you wake up yeah have you walking yeah that is a weird one um uh graham hancock was in here uh not here the old the other place six weeks after hip replacement he was was walking around, and I was like, you're walking like normal.

This is crazy. They just make sure you start walking to make sure that you minimize the amount of atrophy. I know Anderson got his knee blown out. I think it was Jared Cannoneer in that fight. But Cannoneer hit so fucking hard. That could have happened at any point in time in his career. It's amazing more guys don't have their knees blown out by leg kicks. You know now, doing Muay Thai,

if someone kicks your leg, I'm sure... I know Anthony Harden over at... That guy's terrifying. Jesus, dude. We've got video of some dude going, seriously, just kick my leg. I want to see what this is all about. And Anthony's like, you don't want that. Seriously, kick my leg. It to see what this this is all about and anthony's like you don't want that seriously kick my leg kick it it's like guy crying he's on

the ground crying anthony's like you i can ask me to do that what's you but he's so big yeah hard was big for a heavyweight i mean he's a thick fucking dutchman yeah you know conk yeah those those shins to the thigh it's uh it's one of the most underrated pains. It's terrifying to ask a guy to do that. So I'm going to pursue that a little bit. I'm not going to ever use it for anything, but I just like that next level of awareness. Striking awareness? Yeah, but the one thing I haven't done is i haven't

gotten with an instructor to go just teach me how to not get hit like just that just that awareness of seeing what's coming and under starting to understand the sequence of events that are going to lead up to that strike then you have a course in the ufc of unconventional strikers that are going to come at you from angles you didn't expect but in general just and not really because i want to get in a fight just because i want to have that extra part of my brain exercised to under just to action reaction i know it's funny like if you say i want to learn how to play piano someone doesn't say what are you going to play in concerts they don't say that but if you say i want to learn muay thai like oh you're gonna fight yeah like no tomorrow like to learn it it's a it's a skill yeah it's like you know i'd like

to learn how to do a back handspring i'd like to learn how to do a lot of things right just seems like a cool thing to learn yeah but that's one of those things if you if you even say you want to learn it people like right why do you want to learn that what are you gonna fight people right like no it's an interesting thing first of all it's cool right you know and it's an interesting thing to know but so your coach doesn't work with you on defense i don't really have a coach at the moment because it was just todd was kind of he and i were the ones going around the world and training with insane instructors uh really good really good coaches so you get oh so he's a practitioner but he's not a coach well uh todd's a black you know black belt under

rodrigo faji for uh brazilian jiu jitsu but he and i caught the well he got the bug before i caught the bug he cut he made me catch the bug um so you, with his connections traveling all the time as he did, he would have insane instructors. And then this instructor would introduce you to that instructor when you go into that town. So we had great, you know, it was really cool to meet these people. But the problem that I was having was, you know, when you're trying to have Carlos Condit teach you how to do something, he's like four feet taller than I am. And what he does isn't necessarily going to translate to me. So you could see him struggling to go, how do I explain this to you as a midget?

How do I make this work for you? Because it works for me because I have length and I have an entire history of being a badass. Well, a lot of the ties are very short you know yeah so that's why i love when you get to like someplace like new zealand it has short people beating fuckers up it's great so you know and they're and they're my height so i got a lot more out of uh out of that stuff in in australia new zealand have you been to thailand no have not yet been that would be a move once everything opens up go there and do some training there there's a lot of people that go to phuket because they have it set up where you know you could stay there you could train there and uh

one of my business managers went there he spent six days there just just doing nothing but training just enjoying it because going there and working out with real Thai coaches every day. Guys barely speak English. They've had 300 fights. And they'll show you how to do everything old school Thai, classic Muay Thai stance. I think we did that in Copenhagen. We went to an awesome gym there.

This guy barely spoke English, but he could still instruct you because he's pointing and grunting. Yeah. Also, you mirror. he's pointing and grunting. Yeah. Well, also your mirror, you know, you see how they do it. They'll say, look, look, look, and then they'll do it. You're like, okay. But you feel so dumb when you watch someone who's like really good at Muay Thai. Like it's so effortless, you know, it's so graceful.

It's a really interesting art form, you know, because there's really only a few kicks. Like they just got it down to mostly roundhouse kicks a couple of side kicks teeps you know front kicks and that's about it everything else is like they unless they're going to do a cartwheel kick or some franchise shit they're learning that from other people or just playing around having fun but the art itself when it comes down to the kicking but because they have that they they've got it down to like this smoothness and the efficiency yeah the part that's really eluded me is that because i don't have enough hours in doing it i don't i don't

really have the like you know french had the liaison of this words kind of slides into that that transition of understanding you're not, you can't throw that kick because you didn't do the thing before that set you up in the position to be in a position to throw that kick. Right. So that kind of stuff is very interesting and complicated and in a way kind of just I stop. I'm like in my head too much going, okay, wait a minute.

I always equate it to like a vocabulary. If you talk to someone who's very articulate they have a lot of words at their disposal they have a lot they have a deep understanding of how the language works whereas if you talk to a child they can say some things but it's kind of crude and that's how most people are when it comes to martial arts you're in the beginning in particular you're basically like a child you're crude clumsy with your words whereas you talk to a master you know someone like a bull cow or something like that like there's the fluency the the fluidity the efficiency of the movements it's just such

a beautiful thing to watch yeah always in the right position you know like one of my favorites for sure have you ever watched geiorgio Petrosian fight? No. Oh my God, you've got to watch that guy fight. He is the problem, the doctor. Todd was always sending me videos of, dude, you've got to watch this guy fight. So he most likely has sent me videos of that. Petrosian at one point in time, when he was 23, I think he was 43 and 0.

And like some 35 knockouts or something like that. By the time it was 23, it had beaten a shitload of world Muay Thai champions. And if you have the UFC Fight Pass, UFC Fight Pass is great because it has not just UFC fights, but it has a shitload of other promotions, including It's Showtime. It's Showtime goes way back to like the early 2000s like 20 years ago and uh it's showtime was the precursor to glory okay i'm wearing a glory shirt hey um and glory is like the premier kickboxing um event of today right so? So Petrosian, I think, still fights for glory. But Petrosian, when he was in his 20s, you could catch those on UFC Fight Pass.

I just was watching it yesterday in the gym. I was watching him when he was 23, and he's probably like, he's probably deep in his 30s now. I think he's probably 37 or something like that. But he's been around forever, and he is just one of the smoothest most elegant fighters to watch but ruthlessly effective but his technique is just perfect he's always in a perfect position and he's a guy if you watch him train constantly drilling just drill drill drill over and over and over again and you know they'll do situational drills and positional drills and so his footwork and everything is all second nature like when the guy comes to him he

steps aside left hook right kick and like all these techniques that that flow together so perfectly in a match you could watch him rehearse them over and there's a ton of videos of on youtube and you know watch him watch him train. Okay. They call him the doctor. Because literally, it's like he's doing something different than all these other guys are doing. You're talking like world champions, and he was KOing them when he was in his early 20s. Wild to watch.

Because it's like, what is he doing different? It's hard to see. If you watch Mike Tyson in his prime, it's pretty obvious what he's doing different like it's hard to see like if you watch mike tyson in his prime it's pretty obvious what he's doing different you know you watch roy jones jr in his prime pretty obvious faster than everybody ridiculous left hook you're seeing it all with giorgio it's like how is he able to do this to these guys like his understanding of of position of when to be there and when to not be there it's just second to none. So, and I,

so, you know, the transition we're talking, you know, that's kind of the part that's always alluded, even, even with jujitsu, like those in-betweens where you kind of lose the fight,

like the match kind of loses. So, you know, we get, we ended up here. So, Ortega, this last fight that Ortega did,

I felt like the, the thing that really was like surprising to me was not necessarily that he's like oh now you've trained striking and you're doing really well at the striking it was like those in between things that he was doing that i was like yes i've never i haven't seen that in most uc fighters like just that in between thing that he put the glue together. He wasn't leaving any holes. There's no holes. Yeah, no holes. No holes. Yeah, it was brilliant.

It was a masterful performance. Yeah. Because that guy, the Korean zombie, Chan Sung Jung, is very tough. He's dangerous. Very dangerous. And Brian neutralized him. He neutralized everything. And he looked so smooth and professional.

Like everything he was doing looked so good and uh the korean zombie said he he doesn't remember anything of the last three rounds doesn't remember them because remember he got hit with that backspin elbow yeah yeah he got KO'd and apparently he was just on autopilot for the rest of the fight doesn't remember he says he's very embarrassed doesn't even remember the fight wow yeah that happens sometimes guys get KO'd and they'll go back to their corner they're like is it the second round it's the fifth round and like it is yeah it's the fifth round come on man you're losing the fight like i am right i thought it just started like they literally

don't remember fights and it's because they're they're literally concussed you get bonked while they're inside the ring luckily there's no you know when we're doing shows i'm not getting bonked. Well, they're inside the ring. Luckily, when we're doing shows, I'm not getting bonked. So if you lose track of the show and you don't know what song you're on, that's actually a good thing. Because you're in the zone. Right. And you're actually like you've kind of disappeared into that story you wrote. You're no longer thinking about the story you wrote.

You're now just delivering the story unconsciously, but consciously. Or you dipped into that Puss in Furunch box and got some of that good shit. Marijuana cigarettes. Woo! That will do it. There's been many a show where I'm in the middle of a bit going, what bit is this? Yeah. It generally just takes a second.

Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Airplane. Airplane. Yeah. Keep talking. Keep talking. You're good. airplane airplane yeah keep talking keep talking you're good but the um the shows that you do have you ever been in a situation where you're in the middle of a song and you are you're so in the

groove that you kind of forget what song it is don't know where i am like yeah because you're so in it you're in the middle of it but then you make that mistake of thinking about it or having a memory of like oh like a week ago i fucked this song up and as soon as you have that thought you're like isn't that interesting about live performances yeah well that's kind of why you know that's kind of why you do those yeah but so this thing we got coming up is not it's it's a we already recorded it uh we filmed it at Arcosante. What is Arcosante? Arcosante is this insane concrete village that was...

I'm going to get his name wrong. Apollo Soleri. Look that up, buddy. Apollo Soleri. Apollo. Apollo. He was a student of uh flanker frank lloyd right so he built his uh foundry in the middle of of the desert um on your way up to uh flagstaff from

phoenix it's kind of off the 17 and it's for what purpose uh for uh bells they make these kind of bell structures and they make uh you know so there's a kind of a school to, you can go attend, to understand how to do foundry work, but also concrete, just understanding these concrete structures. And so it's all these locations and there's, there's kind of a school there. There's, there's people that come, come through and travel. There you go. Is there an image of this place? Yeah.

Look up Arcosanti. How do you spell that? A-R-C-O-S-A-N-T-I. How did you find out about this place? It's right near my house. It's like an hour away. Whoa. How fucking cool is that spot? Holy shit, man. Yeah. That's all an hour away. Whoa. How fucking cool is that spot?

Holy shit, man. Yeah. That's all concrete? Yeah. Fuck. So the added pressure, when you're playing live, it's just a live show. There's pressure because you're playing live. But there's not a lot of pressure because when it goes by, the next song, don't worry about it.

But when you're playing live in front of a camera and it's going to capture you fucking up that's a lot of pressure so uh we've filmed a couple like two weeks ago we filmed the entire album we did all the songs in these uh in these structures and did you have an outdoor audience is that no it was like no audience for it because we had to do it we were doing it like mostly at night uh like early rising late rising it was like no audience for it because we had to do it. We were doing it like mostly at night, like early rising, late rising. It was quite, it was not easy to do, especially in a, this thing is supposed to be kind of this integrated with the natural terrain. So you've got, you've got rattlesnakes and shit everywhere.

Like it's, you're, you're living in the desert. Your, your 360 views are the wilderness, the hostile environment. And no audience. And then you're singing. And desert. Your 360 views are the wilderness, the hostile environment. And no audience, and then you're singing. And no audience is singing. But it's also hot. It's also cold. It's also like there's black widows.

So it's kind of not an easy thing to do, especially when you're trying to catch the sunrise and you want the song to land right on as the sun's coming up over the horizon, like all those kind of things. And uh and it's like you know 6 a.m you're like so you were recording as the sun was coming up trying yeah on one song but like then you're you're trying to catch other things with the stars on the other songs and it's all timing and you know am i going to get bit dude that sounds amazing tired and I'm sure it sucked while you were doing that and getting out yeah but the overall product yeah I'm pretty I'm pretty stoked about it and that's so that's what we're doing is that's a that's

that's streaming on the same day that the album comes out on the 30th and what's it streaming on I don't know what the actual service it is but but it's pussiferlive.com is where you go to get a ticket to see it. And I think it's the same one that did, I want to say, it's the same service that Mr. Bungle is doing. I think Mr. Bungle's show is The Day After Ours. So it's the same service. But it's available on the Pussifer website uh no it's pussifer live.com so it's a separate website is there a link to it on pussifer.com uh there should

be on the main page but if you just go to pussifer live.com that's where that takes you there pussifer performing the new album in its entirety from arco sante in the arizona desert dude that is such a great idea i love it well you Well, you know, this whole lockdown thing, not being able to tour, this is our tour. This is it. Yeah, it's been a weird one, right? And the fact that everybody was like, oh, you know, around June we'll probably be fine. Not even. Here it is, November almost.

Yeah. And I think the big thing, like, you know, kind of circling back is I'm still feeling residual effects of that thing. And I feel like there's a bunch of people that that maybe all i didn't almost die i have friends who almost died yeah it was it was ugly so and then you have people going you guys are apparently i'm being paid to say this eat a dick dude oh you can't pay attention to those people those those people think that 5g is killing babies. People are out of their fucking minds. There's so much noise out there.

It's so hard. It's so hard to pay attention. It's so hard to try to separate. I have two friends that came real close to dying, and then I have other friends that shook it off like it was nothing. I have a couple of friends that didn't even know they had it. They tested positive. They said, I didn't feel a thing.

Jamie was sick for a day, and he was convinced it was ragweed yeah um yeah but my friend michael yo he came really close he was in the hospital for quite a long time and uh my friend dr neil reardon he was in the hospital uh it came very close to death a couple times and he you know i think folks that got it early on before they knew how to treat it correctly and what was going on what do they got their asses handed to them yeah for sure yeah our friend dean his family and i'm gonna get this wrong so i'm sure dean's gonna light me up but i think his wife tested positive the kids tested positive he tested positive i think the parents tested positive then nobody showed any symptoms he showed symptoms on a tuesday finally got into the hospital almost died on a sunday

then recovered quickly after because he's in shape he's like mid 40s he does he's a runner like he's he's not out of shape but like there was a touch and go moment where he couldn't speak to you couldn't talk to you on Sunday. So on a Tuesday, showed symptoms, not fucking cool at all on a Sunday, and then came out of it. Meanwhile, Fatso Trump, 74 years old, eating French fries, kicks it in the weekend, back on the campaign trail, looks 100 times better than Biden.

They got him on steroids and Adderall. He looks great. He looks great. I'm thinking about trying Adderall. He looks great. He looks great. I'm thinking about trying Adderall now. Yeah. He looks so good. It's amazing. I saw him give a speech the other day.

I'm like, the guy has never looked better. COVID, literally, he had a hermetic effect. Yeah. And his body is actually stronger because of COVID. Still a douchebag. Oh, yeah. Probably more. Because now he thinks COVID. Yeah. Still a douchebag. Oh, yeah. Probably more. Yeah.

Because now he thinks he's immune. Cocky douchebag. He doesn't have to worry anymore. Yeah. You know? Now he can go just have people spit in his mouth. Yeah. Please.

And he's fine. It's all... It's just so weird. Please do. The world doesn't seem real. You know? It just... It seems like you have to remind yourself okay this is still

real this is the world yeah you know but i think that's kind of what you know you had those good you had those good aunts those good uncles good friends when you're a kid that you kind of learn there's a lot of influence you get from your parents i've you know my dad is is you know my whole world as far as influence a good influence on decision making but you also have those people around you that you should have around you if they're positive that it should be fairly easy to see right through bullshit

and get to the core of a good decision it should but now with this fucking thing it's just it's very strange. The information you're getting to make that decision has been picked apart, and it's all dopamine dump charged.

So you can't really, it's sensationalized. Conversations start with an argument. I really like Frosted Flakes, and if you don't like Frosted Flakes, fuck you! You must be racist. Yeah, you must be racist. You must be a bigot. I had Alan Levinowitz on the podcast, and he

had a really... He's actually working on a book about this now, but it was a series of tweets that he put up about what we're dealing with with social media is the same thing that we're dealing with with processed food processed food with all these preservatives it fills you up it's terrible for you he's like this is processed information this is not how human beings are supposed to process exchange information right you're not supposed to get it in this 280 character form this should be a faceless a process you go through

to digest the information well it should be people are supposed to talk like this supposed to this one of the things that people love about podcasting it is a digital thing and you're getting it and it's kind of impersonal in a way but it's also kind of personal because you and i are having a personal moment and it's recorded like we're in front of each other we're looking at each other and this is how people are sup and we're nice to each other and you know and you say something I consider it we talk and you you get in real time to exchange information back and forth and and and see how the other person responds to it and then respond to their response that's how people are supposed to talk

man and this Twitter thing that people are doing, the most mentally ill people I know spend the most time on Twitter. And they're on it, ranting and raving and blaming all these other people for their unhappiness. And it's so weird to see. It's like you're watching people, they're self-inflicting themselves with venom.

Yeah. That's why I kind of like what's, you know, one of the things that I noticed when I got into the wine industry is that you have all these different walks of life. Various political bents, various religious bents, you know, just various cultures all kind of coming together in this thing. And I don't have in my circle of people, I don't, I can talk, we can all talk to each other. And all of those cultures are represented, all those political beliefs, all those religious beliefs, all those things are all represented in all the people that we deal with. And we have these civil conversations with each other face to face. We're all busting our asses we're all doing a thing there's a puzzle we're trying to solve there's a problem we've encountered

that i don't know how to solve and you know how to solve it um i'm trying to build this thing and you're very good at building this thing we're solving puzzles you have a core common ground yeah yeah we have a core common ground from just just from life we're just we're making a living you have a living and we're just talking. We're talking. Well, I always felt as soon as you go here and when you're anonymous, it turns into this fucking ugly fight of polarized mess of like, you have to pick a side.

And it's like, yeah, you're on the wrong side. I'm standing like there's the only thing we're really kind of massaging and trying to work around and picking a side on is weather is mother nature. You're just trying to, she smacks the shit out of you and you're trying to fucking navigate it and so that she's in charge and uh you are not in charge and so that's the thing about having a common having a common thing that you do like jujitsu like if you train jujitsu you're gonna have republicans and democrats and

progressives and and libertarians they're all going to be training together and you know they'll laugh and smile at disagreements they have because the agreement they have is that jujitsu is awesome right so they're in there trying to choke each other and and then the other stuff is like you know i can choke you if i don't agree with you i can just disagree but then i get to choke you but it I don't agree with you, I can just disagree with you. But then I get to choke you. But it's just, it's not as important as the jujitsu. You know, it's like somewhere along the line, it became like, you have to be on my side or fuck you. And that, these ideological echo bubbles that people, these chambers that people get into,

it's just, it's never before happened where you've had people that can so readily find people that agree with them wholeheartedly and and have full confirmation bias like only only people that are on this side and this that believe these things and this core group and it's real obvious like it's it's real it's cut and dry what they believe and what they want, what they see and what they don't. And then it's reinforced by CNN and MSNBC and Fox News and all these biased news sources. If there was a division, I guess, that I would make, it would be fundamentalism versus fucking chill-out-ism. I don't know. Because people are so – you're far are so you're you're you're far

left and you're far right are bumping each other's asses on the other side of the circle they're the same they're they're they're all one fucking stroke away from handmaid's tale and they are burning books together yeah uh telling you what pronouns to use and what religion you're supposed to pick and right all stuff. They're the same person. They're the same people. And we're in the middle of going, I just want some pasta. It's super similar. Super similar.

And it's all coming together with this pandemic because people are being forced to be locked away. You're locking away. You're staying away from people. So you have less interaction, less actual real contact with people more digital contact more processed bullshit way of communicating with people and then there's the fear and then there's the lack of money because everybody's out of work and then there's all this panic that comes with that and this anger and anxiety and Existential angst of the disease itself and the

existential angst of the disease itself and the combination of all these factors together with a fucking douchebag for a president chaos and and no good choices for opponents you know everybody's just voting the people that are not voting for trump they're just voting for not trump they're not voting for joe biden like no one's super excited about joe biden they're voting for not trump so you're sitting there like if you're an observer watching this like we got to get out of here like this this is gonna blow okay i think you start to default back to the position of okay well this i'm just gonna step back and just see in my lifetime what what haven't we seen okay well in my lifetime we haven't seen a female black president so if you're voting for biden in a way you have to be a little honest about it you're actually voting for kamala harris because it's very possible she's going to be the next president possible right 100 but is she an awful person is

she a bad person is she a good person i don't know i just know that it's a step forward it's it's a it's something that hasn't happened before me and i get to be alive when we've when we have a female president well we've never had a nazi president either right would that be a step forward well we already have that oh i don't think he's a nazi he's got a jewish son-in-law can't be a nazi his son-in-law though is the antichrist have you ever seen him next to damien have you ever seen that's great from the movie go we've done it multiple times come on put it up there him and damien from the movie damien the omen you look at the two of them together you're like oh there he is he's the antichrist yeah yeah so it's not like the devil's son it's a devil's

son-in-law son-in-law that's what it is i like it well maybe he's the devil's son. It's the devil's son-in-law. The devil's son-in-law. Got it. That's what it is. I like it. Or maybe he's the devil's son and he's Trump's son-in-law. Yeah, maybe he's got the handle behind Trump. Maybe he's just a nice guy with great hair and a beautiful suit. And you're just making it up.

Yeah, maybe he's just got really good bone structure and I'm jealous. Could be that. And a beautiful wife that happens to be Trump's daughter. Maybe that. Maybe I'm just a bitch. Could be that. And a beautiful wife that happens to be Trump's daughter. Maybe that. Maybe I'm just a bitch. Could be that. But if you see a photo, you got a picture of him, look at the two of them next to each other. Damien who?

Damien, the omen. Oh. The omen. God damn it, Brian. You're not that young. You should know who the fuck, how old are you, man? 46. You should fucking know who the omen is bro

oh yeah look at right that the the fifth photo over yeah just say that's some yeah come on son he's he's actually right now not looking at the camera he's talking to the wolves across the fence right on the other side they're just making eye contact yeah yeah i mean delivering a message that literally is straight out of the omen yeah damian the omen jared kushner google those two things together and go to images i've seen it we've pulled it up multiple times on this podcast it's 100 accurate jared kushman. Watch this. I spoke Cushman. Images. There you go.

You're going to do there. Images. Watch this. Nope. Who's that guy? Well, he's famous now. Is it Kushner, right? Yeah.

We're... Yeah. There's got to be an image of... Right there. Where? Down. Oh, yeah. Down on the bottom yeah look come on son i mean that's the omen that's him that is him now go back to the images again and there's one with him it's like a portrait mode with up there right where you right above that one right above that one yeah click click on that. So look at Trump is blurry and look at him the devil. He's got his hand right up his puppet ass He's like making him say the Satan thing. We are so close so close

So close to the final confrontation Just again, maybe I'm just being a bitch order some goat's blood on amazon a really handsome man with a slender neck and a beautiful wife maybe i should just shut the fuck up maybe maybe it's me man it's probably you probably you no matter who gets in that office they get skewered yeah i was interested to see how what they say about bernie i was really hoping we could see what would happen if that guy would get in place that was that was interesting to me what they'd say about Bernie. I was really hoping we could see what would happen if that guy would get in place. That was interesting to me. What would happen if somebody got in place and said, you know what, we're going to make

college free. We're going to completely absolve you of student debt. We're going to make Medicare for all. We're going to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. All those things that are... I'm not an economist. Maybe it wouldn't have worked, but I was interested to see. I'm like, that seems to be a good use of taxpayer money.

If you're going to use taxpayer money, and most of them are using it for shenanigans. Well, the problem nowadays, if you want to know that scenario, you don't have anybody who's going to go, okay, let's honestly look at it, and we're going to present the case for or against, in the middle, what the possibilities might be you don't have anybody that's going to actually be loud enough to tell you the answer that you're that you're yeah it was only bernie yeah but as far as like actually somebody breaking it down because if you try to google that what is that information all this shit's going to be in the way talking

about you know socialism and and whatever so you don't know i mean and i and i'm not necessarily for bernie i'm just saying i don't know because i can't find the the paper that isn't biased to present that argument to me well to me it was pretty shocking that the only people that i was interested at all were blocked out by the system tulsi gabbard bernie sanders andrew yang those are the only people i was interested in and they were completely blackballed and pushed out by the system they're like fuck you so then you know so follow you know normally when you're to find something out about a history of a place you kind of follow the money to really see the records

so follow follow the follow the reason you know why were they so... So who's blocking them out? And why would they be blocking them out? And follow that breadcrumb trail to see why. I just want it to be over. Yeah. And I want Civil War to be here already, so I know how many bullets to buy. It's like Tuesday, roughly. It just seems like it's coming.

Yeah. Seems like it's coming. seems like it's coming but i feel like this is a good place to be first of all this is a very neutral ground because it's a blue spot in a red state it really is yeah yeah in a red room yeah arizona is uh it seems like it's well and on paper and you never know the polls don't mean shit, but they're saying Biden's ahead in Arizona. How is that possible? I don't know. That's a red state. Because where I live, all day long, you've got the dude with the Trump flag driving around in the car, and it's like, can we just have a coffee?

Can we just talk? No. Fucking freedom. Yeah, fuck you. Honk for freedom. How can we just talk like no yeah fucking freedom yeah fuck you honk for freedom it's just it's it's what can we just how can we not honking yeah and then you're in a fight because you didn't honk like you didn't even fucking honk for freedom too busy sucking cock huh yeah like for for enslavement

i suck cock for enslavement. I'm into it. Some people are into that. They want you to tie them up. Yeah. What are you going to do? It's a confusing time, too, because a lot of these states that were red are getting infiltrated by people like me that are abandoning the blue states. They're abandoning California,

but taking with them their shitty voting habits. Yeah. They're like, I'm going to go to this place with freedom and then just take it all away. Yeah. Well, you don't need that many guns. What are you going to do? Do whatever you want? Well, that doesn't seem right.

We need some regulation. And then it all becomes California. Yeah. There are things, and it is funny, the business that I'm in, in the alcohol business, it's almost, it's completely contrary to what you would think about the people who are like, less government, less regulation, less all those things.

Like, when it comes to wine and, you know, that kind of thing in Arizona, it's very California. very california they're like they want to control everything you're doing they want to know every move you're making there's all these hoops you got to jump through to get things done uh it's it's funny how so in what way uh just just in in the regulation of alcohol and how they interpret you know they're very that's arizona in general yeah and specific brother yeah for one for the winemaking there's a lot of hoops we have to jump through as winemakers come on here texas bro you can make wine with a gun they don't give a fuck fredericksburg right out here man it's not far from here yeah they have great wine yeah allegedly i don't know shit about wine allegedly

i like your wine yeah i don't taste good you're gonna like more of my wine oh yeah i remember first i like your wine i just don't know why i like it i did you know uh have you seen sour grapes made with love that too have you seen sour grapes the documentary uh no uh yes parts of it i haven't seen the whole i haven't it's pretty amazing that's what i keep hearing it's amazing yeah this guy made fake wine that was supposed to be these really expensive bottles and duped all these real wine. So when I first heard about the film, I was under the impression, I sat next to that guy.

I was at an Australian consulate wine dinner in Beverly Hills with Peter Gago from Penfold sitting next to me and that guy was sitting next to me what is that guy's name uh sour grapes sour grapes the documentary um ruby yeah so he he was i i met that guy i sat next to him um i didn't buy any wine from him um luckily but uh but you know i met him so initially i was like you know fuck that guy for like duping all these people but the thing that they're they're basically saying was that yeah that aside yeah he fucked a lot of people up but his ability to do what he was doing to put these wines in bottle and mimic what uh the palette the just the nature, the color, everything about it,

and being able to duplicate what's in the bottle to the point where it would fool Assam. He was like, he's an alchemist. He was really good at making it. He wasn't just putting wine in a bottle and selling you the bottle. If you opened it and you tasted it, you really thought it was that wine, you would go, that seems like not a great version of that wine, but that's that wine. Oh, so you could tell that it was

slightly off. In some cases. Did you try any of his wine? No. But they were just saying the guy really was able to get close to mimicking the palates and structure of these wines. So that's why.

What's his name again, Brian? Rudy Kumoyama? How do you say it? Rudy Kurniawan. It's right here. Kurniawan. How do you say that? Kurniawan. Kurniawan.

Kurniawan. Rudy Kurniawan. Okay. Rudy. Interesting. kerny kernia one kenya one rudy kernia one okay rudy interesting so how did this guy do this like if you like if it's such a fine art to create a great wine and i know you i've tried multiple things but what he was doing you know and i'm just i'm speculating on this i haven't seen the film but what he was doing was just to fool you right now that wine might not last in that bottle once so it's not gonna it's not gonna hold up it's not the structure it's not the structure of wine i mean he was literally putting dirt and things in to create that initial impression so that when you taste it to investigate it you know okay i think that's what

that is and then you write the check and he's like bitch there is a fucking great book that i am in the middle of that you would love that's based on but you're gonna read this one next right yes i'll read that one um it's uh my friend graham hancock wrote the to it, and then it's Brian Murrow Rescue's book. And here, let me find it. It's in my library here. It's called The Immortality Key. And it is all about ancient wine and the ancient Greeks, how they used, they put all kinds of stuff. they put all kinds of stuff if you don't mind yeah the immortality key this is the um oh there brian's got it right there and it's a really just

listen to the podcast the the recent podcast that i did with this guy it's amazing he's a scholar of of the Greek classics and Greek history. And he focused on the, what did they call it? Eleusinian mysteries. Okay. Where they would, they have these rituals where they would all, Eleusis, and they would all get together and they would have these rituals where they would drink this spiked wine. And the wine was, they've proven now, the wine was spiked with LSD-like components, was spiked with ergot, and they believe with probably a bunch of other different psychedelics,

maybe psilocybin, maybe a bunch, but it was wines that had these psychedelic compounds and they would have these incredible rituals and people would go there and this is like literally like the foundation of western civilization came from these these rituals and then these rituals were forbidden by the roman emperors and then they started doing these rituals outside of Greece. And they started doing them in Spain, and they found images of them doing it in Italy, and they found residue of these substances in pottery, and they've proven that it traveled all over the place.

But what was fascinating to me is that their wine was never just wine. They would put all sorts of different things in the wine and like wine was in that back then was not just simply grapes that were fermented they would add cinnamon and honey and all these different things to the wine which i i thought it was really fascinating okay yeah but the the fact that it was the source of their psychedelic rituals was wine. All right. I'm going to read that. Yeah.

Watch the podcast. Okay. He's really great at describing it. And it's a very condensed thing. And then to further go, get into the book. Did you watch the Fantastic Fungi film? I haven't seen that yet. I started watching.

I was about halfway through. I've been kind of busy joe but but you have 50 jobs i would imagine you're a little and you have a family i don't know how the fuck you do it it seems well my wife is a fucking badass she's more of a badass than i am and she can she holds a lot of other things down that uh that i wouldn't be able to do without her so we have a nice symbiotic uh energetic relationship yes if i find someone who is has that many jobs they almost always have an awesome wife yeah she's amazing yeah i couldn't i could not do any of this without her absolutely that's a great thing man have a great team like that because when when i look at this all the things

you do i'm like restaurants wines now you're making mead. I'm going to Michigan now to meet with a couple of winemakers there because I'm going to probably put a facility there because my dad's house is there. So I'm going to go. That's where I'm going, my dad's house. Well, they're trying to kill Michigan, so it's a good place to go right now. Literally, the governor is making everything fall apart. I'm going to find out. Yeah, you can get land for like a buck.

I'm going to fix it. Do whatever you need to do. So we're going to go. I'm going to make mead, cider, and possibly wine in Michigan. I just had a friend come back from Michigan. He was telling me horror stories. Hmm. Not where I live.

You look out my porch, and there's like acres of trees you know deer walking through your yard i don't talk about i don't know either i'm just repeating what other people tell me yeah yeah you can pretend you know what you're saying yeah so what part of michigan uh upper uh right on lake michigan oh nice yeah mason county oh so that's pretty rural, right? Yeah. Why did you choose that area? That's where my dad was a teacher. Ah. So when I left Ohio, I went to live with my dad in Michigan, and that's where he was, wrestling coach and teacher in western Michigan.

So he built a house. He and Nick Tartarczyk, this big motherfucker, he and his sons and my dad built the house that I own now in Scottville. Oh, wow. So that's why I'm going back to check in on the house, look at these buildings that we've been looking at, set up a situation. That's why I have my friend Tim White with me in the car, my winemaking partner. So we're just exploring a building we're gonna talk to some growers there's definitely cider there i mean there's apples everywhere and i can

make mead you know tomorrow because you can get honey what keeps you motivated to constantly do like these new projects another project like this puzzles i just fucking love puzzles like you know physical large-scale sculptural and big space puzzles so you think of like almost like constructing a new business or a warehouse or a factory like this or a creation of like like an art piece yeah that and also watching what we just went through with this lockdown you know we have i have three greenhouses so we were able to feed a bunch of people uh in our in our hundred you know family uh extended family with the businesses and everything we were able to like provide a little bit of food not not as much as they would need but we certainly saved

them at least one or two trips to the grocery store by providing them pasta, some of the fresh vegetables, a roll of toilet paper, some soap, that kind of shit that they just couldn't get at the store. We had to go through commercial channels to get some of these materials. That's a severely underrated pleasure, too, to be able to provide for people. Yeah, so we were able to do that for over 100 families you know in our in our little circle i want to build i want to build more of that i want to do more of that so i think that's awesome

so i think in a little town like uh there's all these little towns all over the united states that dried up because they put the bypass in and put the walmart and the home depot out up because they put the bypass in and put the Walmart and the Home Depot out away from the little town. Beautiful structures, you know, solid buildings that just dried up. So now you're seeing a resurgence of these little towns turning around from what they were to being these little thriving things. And the kind of cornerstone of that stuff is, you know, food, lodging,ging restaurant brewery or winery distillery you know there's there's that little concentration of things uh old town cottonwood arizona that's a hot spot for wineries even though the vineyards and the winemakers are down in wilcox or senoita or elgin one of their tasting rooms is in this little old town that was just beat to shit. Like 15 years ago, you could pick up the property for, you know, they'd pay you to take it.

But now it's like a little thriving metropolis because you have this concentration of restaurants and wineries in this one little spot. That's interesting. I think people are also starting to be aware of the value in having everything you need in close proximity where you're not shipping things in. Right. It used to be like the idea of bi-American was sort of this xenophobic, semi-racist notion that fuck the rest of the world, we're number one. But now people are going, oh, but you know what?

Wouldn't it be great if we can get our medicine here? We don't have to rely on boats that come over from China. Wouldn't it be great if all the components that we need to make an automobile were actually manufactured and constructed right here? Wouldn't it be great if a fucking single cell phone was made in America? I mean, they don't make a goddamn one of them here. Everything is made in Asia. I still think you're going to need to trade. The trade routes have to stay open.

There's things that you can't do well or as well as somebody else in terms of just, you know, the spice trade was exactly that. You couldn't grow these spices here. You had to get them from somewhere else, and they were desirable. You know, tulips in Holland, like there's just, there's something that's wanted

and desired by other places, and there's things you can do really well for sure but it would be nice to be self-sustainable yes yes like trade is always going to be significant and those end up being those end up being the side dishes that are like the icing on the cake in a way uh but you should be able to figure out what grows in your area what's sustainable in your area and what you know what you can do to kind of like you don't have to shut your borders off just right just be open to understanding that when the shit hits the fan you guys kind of have a little self-contained thing that you can weather it yeah that would be nice and this is this is a new feeling like i never i never thought about that before but in the beginning of the lockdown one of the things i

was thinking i was like are we going to come to a point where we don't have enough food like how is the food going to get here is are people if they're not working are they going to grow the food what happens if the like the early predictions were terrifying right they're going to lose two million americans like everybody's terrified that didn't come to pass but it was a moment where you're like well what if this gets way worse than that even like how are we going to get to a point where there's no power are we gonna get to probably what are we relying on that's not necessarily gonna be here when we think about what do we need to sustain ourselves what are we relying on that may or may not be here if the shit hits the fan and I feel like this was kind of

a practice run yes I feel like it feel like there's another one coming, and you're going to have a shit ton of people that don't make it because they're like, that first one was fake, and this one is too. Cool. Can I get a set of keys to your house? Those people who think it's fake are so strange. They're so strange. I just had a friend a long time ago who had been in Iraq, and he had taken some whatever he had to take for anthrax or

whatever and he used to joke like if we get hit with anthrax it's going to affect you it's not going to affect me and i'm just going i wonder you know i wonder how many people are gonna relax again after this is over because if something really big happens like and this is i and i'm not trying to diminish anybody that lost a loved one or to diminish the significance of this disease the 200 plus thousand people that died in this country. But compared to a super volcano, compared to a solar flare or an asteroid impact. Or an entire state on fire.

Well, that's California. Two states now, Colorado. Yeah, California's lost more than a million acres. Yeah. Oh. So you add all those things up and they start to really look like something a million acres. Yeah. Oh. So you add all those things up, and they start to really look like something. Mm-hmm. Little pieces.

Yeah. So remember how to grow shit. That's all I'm saying. Yes. Remember how to grow shit. That'd be very nice. And don't go to a place where it doesn't rain. Yeah.

Because things light on fire in a place where it doesn't rain. Yeah. Does it rain out in Jerome? It hasn't rained for a long time but we had so much snow two years ago and this last year that the the snowpack actually fed the ground the water the groundwater so jerome has a decent amount of water this year um it hasn't rained so that's distressing do you get all your stuff with well water uh yeah it's all we're on spring mountain spring so we are nice yeah so we and it's all the stuff with well water? Yeah. We're on spring, mountain spring, so we irrigate.

Yeah. And it's all the stuff that's gathered from the snowpack that's coming down through the rocks. Now, during this whole pandemic, what about your osteria and serving food? It did okay. We did everything, whatever the rules were. We went above and beyond the rules, but we made sure we were providing food. We were making sure that we had stuff to serve you and making sure that people got fed what were the rules out there were they because it's not it was we were completely shut down for like six weeks

seven weeks and then they said okay if you're if you're serving if you're serving food you have alcohol and you're serving food you can sell the bottles to go you can serve food to go so we did that set the table up did that as soon as they said okay you can be at 50 occupancy okay great so you would set you know separate the tables out and let people come in you know wear your mask on your way to the bathroom just be cool just be cool yeah um and we did okay i mean we're not you know we're definitely down from last year but but there's restaurants. I mean, the restaurant industry is fucking hammered. I don't know if you've been keeping up on that.

Oh, believe me. I've had Adam Perry laying in and Janet Segrini. You should get Bobby Stuckey in here. Who's Bobby? Bobby Stuckey from Frosca Food and Wine in Boulder, Colorado. He's one of them I've see him out there championing like trying to get this funding for the for the small restaurants these people that have these amazing restaurants I was telling you about

Felix Felix is in Venice. They're very lucky that they have this outside area there They could set up there and it's they're very fortunate. They have that kind of space Yeah, but so many people do not yeah, and they're in la just won't let them open i mean la won't let them open at half capacity they won't let them open well you can't survive at half capacity most restaurants are operating at a 10 margin if they're doing great they were janet was explaining that when she was in here that's a it's a it's not that's not what you think it's like right the thing that blows my mind though jumping you know several hats here is watching people go i'm just going to get my

i'm just going to get my relief money and hang out hey you want a job we have this job we need to do where there's this job that continues to need to be done even when all this shit's going on like we're still digging holes we're still pulling my check then i won't get my check okay so let's just be clear so you don't want to do help me do the job. You want to get your money. Okay. It's not a lot of money, and it's not going to be forever, but I'm going to figure out a way to do this job without you. And then when you come looking for the job and the money runs out,

I'm going to say, Fuck you. Eat a dick. Bag of salty dicks. Or sweet, salty, whichever. Pick your dick, Jake. You choose. Sweet or salty. Bag of dicks. Or sweet, salty, whichever. Pick your dick, you choose. Sweet or salty.

Bag of dicks for you. Because we figured out how to do it without you. We needed you. And then you didn't want to do it. No amount of money is going to patch this up. There's a thing we're actually doing. We have to tend the vines. We have to tend the greenhouse.

There's things we have to do to get there. So you're talking about specific instances inside of your community. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. I'm talking about in Los Angeles or in a big city, you get that sort of diffusion of responsibility thing where there's so many people, and there's a lot of people that just rather take that check.

But you're getting that out of employees. Yeah, well, used to be. Yeah. We found a way around you. But it's funny how some people will be angry at you for that. They'll say, well, why should they risk their lives to work? Yeah, why should you? Well, do you, if you are going to do this with your employees,

do you give them precautions on how to protect themselves? absolutely. We do the, our employees are our first and, you know, first and foremost, our employees are the first consideration, keeping them safe.

So any, any policies, if I had to take the hit for the policy, I'll take the hit for the policy because I'm protecting the employee. Have you thought about providing them with vitamins and zinc and that kind of thing um we just you know we put them in rubber suits robbers i'm just kidding i got the devo masks with that um no just you just have you just have policies in place and you you arm them with the the authority to have a person not be able to be in your store if they're not going to respect the constant interaction that that employee has to go through all day long it's the same thing as

in a plane like that's that flight attendant had just breathe your cigarette smoke for years and do all of them die of cancer no did some of them get cancer not all of them got cancer not all of them died of cancer but they risk getting that was the argument about bars too, right? Like they should be able to smoke in bars. Like what about the people that have to work in those bars? Every day you're exposing that person to that thing. That's why you don't. Not because of you.

Not because of my clothing being stinking like cigarettes. No, it's because that person is being exposed to that every day. And the more they're exposed to it, the more they're being put at risk. That responsibility for your fellow human is that. But on the bright side, we have been provided with videos of these fucking non-mask protesting douchebags that just scream at Walmart and scream at people about the take it away my rights. Comedy is like the cornucopia of comedy is just like billowing out all year long it's been incredible

it's amazing how many people I have to cut you off pretty soon you gotta hit your flight so one more time let's go over the thing it's what is the date of the live stream October 30th is the concert film being streamed

online at pussiferalive.com you can get tickets the album itself is out on the 30th as well you can get it Spotify, iTunes, Amazon you can buy it off the pussiferalive.com website CD, vinyl, I think the vinyl is all sold out and you have two songs that are

available right now and when it happens we'll put it up on the instagram and let all the folks know um thank you look i know you're busy as so i really appreciate you taking the time to come here and uh and thank you for all the gifts i will read it protection you should hold them you should wear the the the boxing gloves while you're reading it and i'm going to keep this lunch box close near and dear to my heart maynard you're reading it. And I'm going to keep this lunchbox close, near, and dear to my heart. Maynard, you're a bad motherfucker. I appreciate you, brother.

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