The Joe Rogan Experience - #1568 - Tom Green

Episode Date: November 20, 2020

Tom Green is a comedian, actor, filmmaker, and talk show host. His latest project is The Tom Green Interview: a podcast series featuring weekly conversations with celebrities, newsmakers, and everyday people.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day hello eccentric character known as tom green joe how are you you're you're the wild man living in a van now oh yeah oh yeah you you that eccentric character. You go from being a television and movie star to being a wild man traveling the land with your vagabond dog that you got from another country. She's a rescue from the Bahamas? Yeah,

Charlie. Yeah, she's a rescue from the Bahamas. She's goddamn adorable, by the way. I love her. She's beautiful. I'll show everyone. You are this eccentric character now. Look at you. I guess so. I feel like maybe I feel like in some ways what I'm doing right now is the most normal thing I've done in my life, but it is actually kind of crazy too. It's crazy compared to people, but I think it fits you like a glove. I really do.

Yeah? Yeah. Well, you know, I like going out into the wilderness. I always have. Yeah. And I've been out in this van that I just got which is amazing and i'm going pretty hard with it like is this the first time you've been tested since you got tested the last time on my show i got tested one time between uh but that's a another interesting story but uh let's

hear it what happened uh well my ex-wife asked me to come on her talk show and i hadn't talked to her in 15 years oh drew drew yeah so and so I thought that's... Was that a trap? It was nice. Did you get nervous? It was nice. It was nice. We had a good time. That's cool. And but I had to get tested to do the show and but it was interesting because you know I mean it was very sort of interesting thing because you know we hadn't talked in 15 years. At all? At all and and then you know all of a sudden I got a call from her saying, hey, why don't you come and do a new show? And her new show's really pretty

wacky. She's getting really kind of... I like how you put your hands out for wacky. Oh yeah. Wacky. She's definitely pushing it in a very sort of... I mean, I'm enjoying the show. It's very funny what she's doing. Very over the top, some of the things she does on there. That's representative of her as well? It reminds me lot of of of her when well it is her yeah for

sure what she really is like who she really is i think so yeah well as you get older like you tend to be able to figure out who you really are better like like with you like doing this van thing now i'm the guy living down by the river in the van it makes sense to me when you told me you were gonna do that i'm gonna travel across the country and just drive around the van with my dog i was like that i could see you enjoying that yeah you know it's it's it's a whole world man it's a whole world that you didn't you that i didn't even know about like i didn't know in in canada it's called crown land here it's called blm land bureau of land management i'm sure you know all about that from hunting and going out into the wilderness. I didn't really know

about Bureau of Land Management Land. And there's certain apps that will show you all the fire roads, all the remote places that you can go and do dispersed camping, go boondocking. Does your van have off-road capabilities? Can you drive on rugged trails? boondocking they call it. Does your van have off-road capabilities? Can you drive on rugged trails? Yeah, pretty good. I got like, it's not an off-road vehicle. It's a Ram Promaster 2500. It's a delivery truck that they convert into- A lot of people are doing that these days. My friend Tim Poole did that. I believe he got a Ram as well. His was a Ram, wasn't it, Jamie? I think it's a Ram as well. And did the same thing he turned it into a bug out van so the ram is wider than the than the mercedes sprinter van which you see a lot of

it's wider so i can actually sleep full width wise the beds with why the width wise at the back but but uh you know it was just kind of happened pretty randomly i saw this clip online of these guys in arizona who convert the vans. I called them up. They were on Shark Tank. These guys, they're called Boho. This van's called Boho. They're really cool dudes. Boho? Yeah, Boho. Like B-O-H-O?

Yeah. And by the way, they are like, they love that I'm here right now. They're your biggest fan. They literally have watched every episode of your show. And so they're going to take a shit right now. They're probably really happy that I'm mentioning them on the show. But they were on Shark Tank. They're just these two young guys. They started this company where they bought Ram Pro Masters. Totally independent thing. And they do this great carpentry.

Like they build out the inside. It's all cedar. Do you have images of your van online? Yeah. That's the inside of the van there. And see, I got my studio. Oh, I like the wood. That's nice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And see, like, I got my speakers set up. And the thing that's kind of, like, cool about this in the Mojave Desert. There's Charlie chilling. Look at her. Yeah, yeah. So when you say you have your studio, so you're doing your podcast from the road. Yeah, exactly.

And how are you doing it? Like whenever you feel like it, you just fire up the podcast when you've got something to say. Yeah. Dude, that thing looks killer in there. Yeah, yeah. See, it's got a little kitchen.

Oh, you got a little kitchenette set up. And how are you cooking? There's a vent. Oh, you got an awning? And I'm shooting these drone shots too, which are pretty fun. Dude, you're rolling drones? Look at this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the Mojave. Check out all those Joshua trees burned. Those are burned Joshua trees. I'm shooting these drone shots too, which are pretty fun. You're rolling drones? Look at this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the Mojave. Check out all those Joshua trees burned. Those are burned Joshua trees. Oh, wow. But so, you know, it's kind of like, you know, I've always been into the techie kind of building out studio stuff, right?

Sure. When I found out about these vans, the thing that really kind of piqued my interest is the battery and solar technology that exists now. So there's two solar panels on the roof, and in the back I've got these batteries. They're really, they're called Battle Born batteries. They're like really solid, like they use them in sailboats to go around the world basically. And there's four of them, and the solar panels are charging them constantly. So I've built, I've got my computers, I've got my cameras, I've got my drone, I'm charging

batteries all the time. I've got a refrigerator in there. So I can have, you know, cold beer, right? And it's sweet. So I can go out into the middle of nowhere and have virtually unlimited electronic capability and just stay there as long as I want until I run out of food. Wow. And so those solar panels, how efficient are they? Like, will they power your studio and all that stuff where you don't have to use your engine? You don't have to start up and use gas? Are you running diesel in your van? No. No.

Gas. your engine, you don't have to start up and use gas. Are you running diesel in your van? No, no, but that just happened to be the way it went because that van was available and I got that one. But how's the gas mileage? It's pretty good. I'll tell you one thing though, I am always filling up. I never let it go below three quarters of a tank. Just in case shit gets weird. I never know where I'm going every day. Like I got weird stories over the last six weeks where I've just been like not know where I'm going every day. I got weird stories over the last

six weeks where I've just been like, not sure where I'm going to sleep. And the sun's going down. And then I end up going down a crazy road. And then the first night I got stuck in the Mojave Desert because I looked up on this app, dispersed fire road. I'm thinking, oh, that's pretty cool. I get there. There's a sign that says Tortoises Crossing. Careful. I start driving out into the desert. I'm 200 yards in. I get stuck because it's the soft sand.

Get stuck in the soft sand. So I've been a little more careful. How do you get out when you get stuck in the soft sand? Call AAA. Oh. AAA comes to the desert? I was 100 yards from the freeway. It was like I hadn't even gotten into it yet.

It was so pathetic. It was hilarious, actually, because I'd been planning for months, you know? And then all of a sudden, I'm like, I'm seeing the freeway. This was at Barstow or something like that. Before we get into your adventure, I want to get more into this van build-out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you started it out with just buying this van. Is it a new van, or did you buy it? Yeah, brand new, yeah. So you bought it out with just buying this van. Is it a new van or did you buy it?

Yeah, brand new, yeah. So you bought a brand new van and then you bring it to these boho guys. Yeah. And these guys, what do they do? They ask you, what are you planning on doing? You plan on using this as a studio? Like your idea from the jump was to do your podcast on the road with no plans other than your own whims, right?

So when you do something like that, how do you know what you're going to need? You didn't really have any experience in like off-roading or that kind of living out of a van. Yeah, not really. How did you know what you're going to need? Did you research it? Yeah. So, well, there's a couple of categories of research. One was just building the studio itself.

So I built the studio at home first. That was just the nitty-gritty technical stuff, what kind of microphones, what kind of amps and preamps I'm going to use. I have some amps that use tubes. I got rid of those because I figured the tubes would rattle out in the dirt road. So boring techie stuff. But as far as the survival and the food and the and all of that and the van they've been real great like i i built my studio equipment into

a road case and i know i knew that i thought well that could fit under the bed and then we sort of planned it out where there's a little door that opens and you can access it under the bed and then we sort of planted it where there's a little door that opens and you can access it under the bed and we've wired all the cables through the walls and uh it's pretty efficient so uh so you had everything you need to do a podcast down into one box yeah just pull that box out and then you're ready to roll it's actually it's it's actually permanently housed under the bed so i just i have a table that pulls, that table I was sitting at there. And just under there, a little door opens, microphones plugged in, and away you go. But the other side of it is like a lot of the video stuff too, like the drone, the cameras. Like I've got some new cameras that I'm kind of messing with that are exciting to me.

And so I'm kind of out there. The thing that I was thinking, I was thinking, am I going to get bored out here? Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. I'm all alone. Or lonely. Am I going to get bored or lonely? Yeah. And I haven't because I've populated the van with stuff to do.

So when I get bored of the drone, then I'm making music, too. So I've made a recording music studio, too. What kind of music? Well, I'm doing some sort of different stuff. I've got my acoustic guitar, so I'm going to start doing some country rap type of stuff. Are you going to go on tour? Country rap. I call it crap, Joe. It's country rap. Are you going to go on tour? Maybe, maybe, yeah. As a singer? Well, yeah, I could see that. No, I don't know. i don't know i don't know i mean i probably maybe incorporate it into my stand-up or something like that you know i you know i was a rapper when

i was a teenager so yeah i remember yeah so so to get back to this build-out so you get it where you're you're ready you still have your house in la right and then you decide all right let's do it you start the car up and you go. Where did you go? I drove out into the Mojave Desert. That's the first place. The destination was Utah. And so I started by going out to the Mojave Desert.

And what time of the year was this? This was, I guess, six or seven weeks ago, I guess. I've been on the road ever since. Wow. It was great, man. Just eating out of your van? Yeah, so that was part of planning the food. So I've got these big Rubbermaid containers in the trunk, four of them. Do you have a refrigerator? I have a refrigerator, yeah. Is that solar powered as well? It runs off the electric system. So the solar is charging the

batteries, and the batteries run the electric for the whole van. All the lights are LED, so it's very effective, efficient. And the fridge is also high-efficiency cooler, essentially. So is it like one of those roll-out coolers that people have? It's under one of the seats. It's called a Dometic cooler. Because there's a lot of guys who do, what do they, it's not, they don't call it off-roading. What do they call it when they go out into the wilderness?

Boondocking? I don't think they call it that either. That's the van life term for what people are doing with these vans now, but where they go off-grid and... Boondocking is a, I think it's a Filipino word from word from the u.s military brought that there's a lot of people that plan they get a kick out of meticulously planning like a 500 mile venture through the off-road through the wilderness with these like off i forget why they call it trekking god damn it oh yeah yeah but it's like there's, I got into it for a while. I went down a rabbit hole.

There's tons of videos on YouTube of these guys, overlanding, sorry, that's what they call it, overlanding. So I'm not going, you know, I don't have extra fuel, so I've got my tank of fuel. So I usually, when I get off the main highway, I make sure I've got full tank, and I've never, I've gotten close to running out of fuel. Have you thought now that you've had this thing for six weeks, you'll be doing it for six weeks, to make revisions?

Like maybe have some exterior fuel canisters, maybe put an extended range gas tank in? You thinking about all these things? Yeah. I love these questions. Yeah, overlanders do all that stuff. So there's like, yeah, definitely. You know, the thing is, is this van is, yeah, I could. I mean, look, I'm amazed how remote you can go.

And this is what I kind of talk about on my social media and some of the videos I make on YouTube. I'm sometimes sort of telling people like, hey, you know, if you're like sitting around at home right now and you're bored and you're angry about shit, you want to, you can just get in your car and drive out to these beautiful places. You know, the last week I was on the top of a mountain in the Lincoln National Forest, right on the border of New Mexico and Texas. And I mean, there's drone shots where it's, there's nobody for like, seems like 100 miles. Like, I drove for an hour up this two-lane

paved highway and didn't see a car the entire time driving there. And then you get up there and you find a place to camp. And there's hunters are up there. So there's lots of dispersed spots with fire pits. And you're up there all by yourself. And you get up in the morning. And I make coffee with this gas-powered kettle so I'm not eating my battery and you know I got all these propane tanks I got a Coleman stove I'm cooking with my

Coleman stove I got lots of cans of beans I'm eating a lot of spam and ragu I remember you gave me some shit about the ragu last time it's pretty good the ragu I don't think I gave you shit I was just kind of joking around with you but yeah but like you know i i'm eating a lot of canned food because part of the part of what happened was this started from the whole quarantining right i i got all this canned food for the house and i was just cooking for myself and then i thought you know i could just take this out take this on the road you're spending a lot of time with no people. Like, did it feel weird coming here? There's all the people, security people here, and Jamie and Jeff and me.

Did it feel weird? Yeah. All these people? What's it feel like? You know, it's interesting because you start to feel a little bit, and I think this is probably something that maybe is affecting everybody with the quarantining and the pandemic and all that stuff. Maybe not.

Maybe certainly not everyone's in their van. But you start to get to the point where you think, maybe I didn't get social anxiety coming here because, like, I know you guys are getting all tested and all that stuff. But I have a little bit, you know, I have a little bit more paranoia about getting this virus than the average person. Because of cancer? Because of the fact that you have cancer? I think so. Yeah.

Makes sense. So, you know, because I just don't, it's not even that I feel like I'm more susceptible to it. It's just, I really hate being sick. When I had cancer, I was in the hospital for six weeks. It was like painful. It's, I just hate it. I hate that loss of control, you know?

So, so, but no, I mean. Are you taking care of yourself like vitamin wise? Are you taking supplements? I think I'm eating pretty healthy. With your spam and ragu? But I mean like there's a lot of vitamins. Slow down. There's a lot of vitamins in that stuff.

No. Look, I'm exercising. I'm doing a lot of walks. That's cool. I'm going deep into these woods. Are you getting any fresh vegetables at all? I have canned corn. I have a large quantity of canned corn.

Corn is barely a vegetable. I was told corn, rice, and beans is enough for subsistence. Yeah, you can stay alive. Your heart will stay beating. I'm just trying to stay alive. No, I want you to take care of yourself, like vitamins and nutrients. Corn is very little of that. I have onions.

That's not good either. They last a long time. And potatoes. Yeah. Well, there's a little bit in potatoes. You can kind of live off of potatoes. They last a long time. I have, I mean, full disclosure, just to be clear, I have done a few curbside pickup at Walmart and I've got oranges. So I've got oranges. Oh, so you won't

go inside? Yeah. Not really trying to not to go inside. I have gone inside a couple of times, admittedly. You're nervous about going inside a Walmart? I did do it once, yeah. Wow. Because it was late and I was quite hungry. But you're hardcore with this fear of the virus. I'm not sure how much... Yes, I am. Yes, I am.

I am sure that I am. But I also am enjoying... Not enjoying. That's the wrong word. I am just trying to see if I can do it, too. I'm trying to see if I can do it. Is it possible to go remote, off the grid, and just sort of be disconnected from the luxuries that we're used to having in life of being able to go to a Walmart and grab any food you want? I think I'll have some sushi.

I think I'll grab a plate of fresh cut steak. I mean, it's kind of interesting to kind of go out into these places that are incredibly remote and beautiful and to cook on a, on a open flame. And, uh, I brought a fishing rod, haven't caught anything yet. Um, have you done any fishing? I did a little bit, but I honestly haven't had a lot of time. How you getting your licenses uh online online online yeah yeah i i i also i did bring a shotgun as well oh jesus for protection or for birds uh well i have i've been hunting but i have not actually uh seen an animal yet no animals at all no are you bringing your dog i might be a part of the problem uh no i don't bring the dog actually i don't so when you say you go hunting what are yet. No animals at all? No. Are you bringing your dog? That might be a part of the problem. No, I don't bring the dog, actually.

So when you say you go hunting, what are you hunting for? Well, in my mind, it would be for birds. I have a bird gun. What gauge? It's a 12 gauge Benelli. That's a big gun for birds. Is it? Well, I guess I got...

Yeah, I guess so. It's a Benelli... For ducks, I guess. Maybe. I don't even know what I'm doing, Joe. I it? Yeah. Well, I guess I got, yeah, I guess so. It's a Benelli. For ducks, I guess. Maybe. I don't even know what I'm doing, Joe. I don't know. But what birds

are you targeting? Well, I'm not really, honestly, I honestly have it just because I feel like when I'm going in bear country and when I go walking

deep into the woods, I kind of feel a little nervous. So I've got my bear spray. I've got my, you know, hunting knife. I've got my hands. You, hunting knife. I've got my hands. You ready to rock?

I'm ready to rock. But I honestly, I just like to walk in the woods. And I like to go deep out into the woods. And I bring a compass with me. And I go way out. I have the system to not get lost. Okay, I know it sounds crazy. A system? I have a system, yeah. What's the system? I have the system to not get lost. A system?

I have a system, yeah. What's the system? Well, basically, so like last week I was up on this mountaintop in the Lincoln National Forest. And so there was a sort of a long, straight, I'd call it like a ravine or something. So I just walked straight along that ravine. I knew that would lead back to the van. And I followed that until I, probably a mile or so, until I hit a landmark that went that way. It was a sort of a limestone ledge that went straight. So I don't go so far that I'm going in circles, right? But I'm always keeping very good track on those landmarks. And I just know that, okay, I've walked a mile down to this ravine and this ravine to this limestone ledge,

now I'll walk a mile that way. Do you find yourself way more aware of where you are because you have to be responsible for yourself and because you are alone, off-grid, different than you would be that if you were with a bunch of friends wandering around, you probably wouldn't be paying that much attention. I love it. It's my favorite thing. You know, I really do love it. You know, we talked about it before, you know, how I used to go on canoe trips in Canada when I was a kid. And just, you know, this is the first time I've ever done it alone, alone.

I've never done camping alone before. Who goes camping alone? But, you know, there's something even really extra special about it. Yeah, I have a lot of friends who really enjoy it. And to clarify, like, I do bring the dog with me on a lot of these walks when I have the shotgun, but I have no intention of firing the gun because I don't want to hurt her ears, right? Oh, yeah, for sure.

But if I ever went with the intention of possibly firing the gun, then I'd leave her in the van. You have to worry about coyotes with her, huh? Oh, yeah. This happened a couple nights ago. It was really kind of interesting. Dogs are so smart. We should let everybody know she's a little doggy, but she's adorable.

So the other night. Say hi, Chopper. The other night. Hi, sweetie. She was sleeping, you could tell. She's like, Dad, I was just sleeping. What are you doing? The other night, we were surrounded by them.

Multiple times we've been surrounded by them in the van at night. So it was sort of late at night night and I had a campfire going and we just heard like, you know, I don't know, more than I've ever heard actually. There must've been like 30 or something out there and they were howling. And, and for a moment she barked and then I said, quiet. And then she sort of realized, I could see her realize, cause she barks at everything. There's a video I put up on my YouTube, which is pretty funny, because we saw a javelina, a wild boar. Don't kill your dog, too, man. Yeah, we were in the van.

We were driving down this road. This was in New Mexico. And I'm getting my camera to get this shot of this wild boar. It's not really a... Javelina's not really a pig. It looks like a pig, but it's not. It's a peccary.

It's a different kind of animal. Yeah, yeah. I think it wasn't a wild boar. It was a... Javelina. Yeah, I think it was, yeah. I'd never seen one before. Where was this?

New Mexico. Yeah, they have one. In the Gila National Forest. Gila? Gila. Gila. Gila, yeah. She's so cute.

So she starts barking at it. Look at this. Yeah, there it is. Oh, you got video footage of it. Oh, yeah. That's definitely a hamolina. And she starts barking and then it runs off. They're vicious little fuckers.

They killed Stan Hope's neighbor's dog. Oh, really? Yeah. There it goes. They surround. It's interesting that it's by itself. Yeah. So actually later, just up the road, we drove by a river.

Look at her. She barks and then she yawns. She's so well taken care of. She's not worried. Good job pulling that video up, Jamie. That's pretty impressive. You guys. Wow.

Look how beautiful that is. Yeah. So that next shot there. God, look at the landscape. So this is the deer. She scares the deer away here. And that is just outside of Las Cruces, New Mexico. You got a few deer out there okay there's

a lot out there yeah yeah and um i've got that's not actually my good that's in new mexico that's in new mexico and she's barking the deer yeah wow what time when when was this this was uh i don't know a week ago they might be in season son oh yeah oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When I'm out for my walk, I've got my orange, hunter orange on. Do you have a license to shoot deer? Do you have a tag? I don't, no. No. I just have a small game license just for New Mexico.

If you've got a deer, do you know what to do with it? Well, I have no intention of shooting a deer because I'm by myself. I mean, what am I going to do with it? Well, you don't have enough refrigeration. But I do have Steve Rinelli's book on small game preparation. Oh, really? Oh, that's awesome. And I loved your episode of that, by the way.

I just did one with him a couple of days ago. A new one? Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. How long ago was that? Five days ago? Five episodes ago?

A week? Yeah, he's awesome. I particularly like the little face look at that little face i particular she's so cute first thing she did to me is bite me she can run it up to me wagging her tail and bit my fingers like she just wants to play she's still teething a little how old is she she's probably six and a half months yeah she's so cute. She's so playful, too. Yeah. But, yeah, so, like, full disclosure, though, like, I've never really hunted before. I don't, I'm not a hunter. I've never hunted before.

A lot of fishing. Grew up fishing. Did a ton of that. But I just, I do like, I just, I just, there's something about being all alone in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. At night. Surrounded by coyotes. being all alone in the middle of nowhere at night, surrounded by coyotes, that I'd be lying if I say it wasn't a little bit scary.

Like, it's a little bit scary. There's something about those alone trips that people say you do sort of an inventory of your life and start assessing your behavior and who you are. And you're alone for so long that you're forced to sort of think about what you've done. And are you happy with your choices in life? Are you happy with your job? Are you happy with your relationships?

Is that what you're experiencing too? Oh, yeah. Yeah. My friend Aaron Snyder, he's been on the podcast before. He owns Kefaru. It's a big backpack company. They make really super high-end hunting backpacks, and he spends hundreds of days a year in the woods by himself. Either by himself or with other people hunting.

And he goes on these long backpacking solo adventures hunting where he goes deep into the woods many, many, many miles in by himself with just his camp on his back. That's it. And that's the thing that he always says is that you get in there and then once you get back to civilization, you want to call ex-girlfriends and apologize or call friends and mend fences and just sort of give you an inventory of what you've been.

I think sometimes we get caught up in momentum in life. You know, that life is a series of things that you have to do. You wake up in the morning. You have to be at work at a certain time. You try to get to the gym. You try to get this. And then you have phone calls you have to make. And then you have to, you know, sync your calendar with the other people you're working with.

And then there's this and that. And then you're planning for in two weeks we have that meeting and this and that. And you get so caught up in momentum. You never stop to take a breath and look at yourself and look at what you're doing and go, is this what I like? Is this what I want to do? Or is this something that I'm just, am I on this sled that's's flying down the side of this snow covered mountain and I don't know exactly how I'm going to get off of it? Uh huh. And you made me

think of something. A lot of the places I've been, no cell service. And so it's three days and like maybe a text will fire out but there's no video, there's no... No reading YouTube comments. No reading YouTube comments. How nice is that? Yeah. There's been a few

days where I'll get the cell service. And then immediately check the YouTube comments. And then I'm on it more than... Yeah. I know. We talked about this before. I want to try to adopt that. What is it? You said post and ghost? I love that. Post and ghost. I want to try to adopt that because I have sort of gone the

opposite approach. I'm like kind of interacting very much with those comments and I'm sure the fans like that the nice fans I find it kind of a fun creative exercise like sometimes I'll have you know a hater or whatever and then I'll get into a little thing with him and it's fun but for the most part I've created kind of a very positive thing but but like what's fun is just getting away from it, from the phone. But what you said is exactly what it's been like going through that. I just love it out there. What have you learned about yourself?

Definitely that I've been on my phone too much. But I think one thing that I've learned is that I actually do pretty well being alone, actually. I was worried that maybe I would not be able to... Like I thought, one of the things I was thinking when I started this whole process of planning, it was planned for several months, getting the van, getting all the stuff ready. I thought, what if I get out there and I can't stand it? What if I go two days in? But I got to go home.

I need my shower and my bed. But I actually, after a couple of days, I just start to really kind of get very relaxed and you start to kind of feel a nice connection with nature, I guess. I mean, I'm going to bed at eight at night, nine at night, waking up at 5.30 in the morning, making my coffee as the sun is rising over a mountain. And so I'm watching the sun rise, and it's cold. It's cold in the morning up there, man. So especially when I was up in northern Utah, like cold.

But there's a whole system to keeping the van warm and stuff too. What's the system to keeping the van warm and stuff too. But so... What's the system to keeping the van warm? Well, so the first few weeks, I didn't have this proper insulation on the windows. So I ordered this stuff for the van windows. Do you glue it to the windows or something? Magnets. There's these magnets. You just take it off. It's a nice thick sort of padding. So you heat up the van inside and then then you put that up, and it keeps the temperature? I put it on first.

I just put it on. It covers the windshield, the two front passenger, all windows. They're completely sealed. And then I start the engine, and I run it. I don't run the gas out, but I run it for 10 minutes. The thing heats up. And then I just don't open the door. I do that right when it's time to kind of crash.

How long does it keep it warm for? You know, it's warm until I fall asleep, and then I wake up in the morning freezing my butt off. No, it's not too bad. I mean, I don't think this would be something that you would want to go out in the winter in, but, you know, this time of year, and down here in Texas it was

it was nice the last last few days it's nice there's a guy who's got a video he he's living out of his van to doing the same sort of situation he's very organized got the whole deal but he's doing it in Colorado yeah and he's in the middle of the winter like covered in snow and does all these detail things like how he gets out of snow what what he does, and how he stays warm. Yeah, I imagine it would be a lot less simple up in that kind of temperature. Well, just camping in cold weather is rough. You have to have the right insulated sleeping bag.

You have to make sure that you have... Yeah. Down booties. Down booties. That's my new discovery. On the internet right this is what's hilarious about the world we're living in now with the internet and everything having access to everything before i left to start researching oh oh here's a guy talking about winter camping down booties right there's these little feathery down things can't you put them on your bare feet

at night and you wear them in your sleeping bag or and your feet are warm right if your feet are warm so i start like sort of seeing all these little things that that uh oh that'll help you know uh you know these little products and you go on amazon shows up at your house the next day your supplies start building up you know but uh yeah i have these down booties uh and uh and uh you know i've got i've got nice uh you know marina wool undergarments and things like this. And I think, is it marina wool? It's hunting stuff, you know? Marina wool is great because when you get wet, it doesn't make you cold. Yeah, yeah.

If you get wet in cotton and then you get cold, you're in trouble. Yeah. The issue is if you're going somewhere and you're hiking and it's cold out. Well, even though it's cold out, if you're hiking and you're wearing a lot of layers, you're going to sweat. But if you sweat and you're wearing cotton, you're in big trouble.

Right. Because as soon as you cool off, that wet cotton freezes. It feels terrible. Yeah. But wool is different. Yeah. Wet wool keeps you warm.

Yeah. Like, you can be in wool and it gets wet. It's wet still. It's not the most comfortable thing, but you're warm. Right. It's very interesting. Yeah. I guess because it's like an animal fiber.

Yeah. It's been relatively comfortable. There's been a few nights where I've been a little colder than I would have liked to have been. And a lot of the places I've been right now, it's no fires because of the dry. But the last week I was in a place I could have a fire, so I keep a nice campfire going. Were you in Utah? Where were you? I was in, that was up in the Gila National Forest. No, that was the Lincoln National Forest.

So you went to New Mexico and then you drove your way up to Austin. Well, first I... Actually, first... So one of the most beautiful places I went, by the way, was in Utah. I went to this place called the Valley of the Gods on the... Oh, I've heard of that. ...on the Navajo Reservation there. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah? Oh, there's a video of that. I don't know if you have a video of that drone shot. That is... It's like... They shot all the John Wayne movies out there in Monument Valley, and then just down the road is this place called the Valley of the Gods. Look at this place.

So look all alone right there. That's you. Look at that. That's your drone footage. Yeah, yeah. Wow. And, you know, a big part of this for me is also looking for places that are going to photograph well, you know, because I enjoy photography and video. Do you have all this stuff on TomGreen.com?

Is this on your YouTube channel? I put it on my YouTube channel. Yeah, yeah. And then I link it to my website. Yeah, it stuff on TomGreen.com? Is this on your YouTube channel? I put it on my YouTube channel, yeah. And then I link it to my website. It's on TomGreen.com too, yeah. So I get these shots. You see Charlie chilling out there? Charlie is intrigued by the drone. The first 10 times I've flown it,

she just sort of... See, she's going under the van because she hears the drone coming. Did you call her Chopper and Charlie? No, I must have just... No, Charlie, yeah. Did someone call her Chopper? Did I just call her Chopper? I don't know, maybe, yeah. That's your new nickname. That's your new middle name, Charlie Chopper. Why did I call her Chopper? Did someone else call her Chopper outside? Yeah, Charlie, Charlie, yeah. Named after Travels with Charlie, the John Steinbeck novel,

Travels with Charlie. And if youbeck novel, Travels with Charlie. And if you see on the van, see at the back, you can't read it, but there's a blurry word right above the rear wheel. It's Rossonante, which is what, yeah, right there, which was Steinbeck called his van, Rossonante, which is named after Don Quixote's horse. So there's multiple layers of homages there. But look at that shot. Isn't that amazing? It is amazing. I love your shirt, too. That's a very lumberjack-y shirt you're wearingages there. But look at that shot. Isn't that amazing? It is amazing. I love your shirt, too.

That's a very lumberjack-y shirt you're wearing in there. Oh, yeah. It's warm. It's warm. The last shot of this video, I don't know if you can just scroll it ahead. God, it's so pretty. The last shot of this video, I waited for sunset. Oh, here's how I take a shower.

So you can just go out there and camp anywhere you want. Just pull over and camp. Yeah. Now, do you have any concern about running into serial killers well that's why I got the shotgun Joe but you know look like a serial killer yeah you look like it could like if I was going through there with my family and you're like hello and you're just waving I black off fuck yeah yeah this crazy you know I look at the last shot right after this, though.

There's this sunset. I kind of like, look at those buttes in the background. See that? Look at you. The shot after this one. Just let it roll. You'll see. Just let it roll.

You'll see. But I kind of like to wait for the sun to get these nice shots. So this is the shot here. Watch this drone shot. It's pretty cool. And to kind of get these interesting images. You'll see the sun will go. Now, what do you strap on the drone? Is it built in with cameras?

It's got a camera on it. So this is just not even super. Look, watch the sun disappear. And then the music that's playing is music that I made in the van. It's a score. You can play the audio if you want. It's my music. But it's a score.

I'm doing this sort of ambient um score what kind of drugs are you getting you know nothing too crazy but uh so i see the sun pops this is like ocean music yeah yeah this is like music that i expect to hear about like a documentary on whales yeah yeah that's it's kind of a brian eno influence type of vibe now are you doing a video whenever you feel like it are you doing them on a schedule i kind of just i'm always shooting stuff and then i'll edit and sometimes i'll the first the first the first month um i didn't post as much because honestly i was just trying to figure out how to survive out there and now i've got a good system

i so i think the videos are going to start coming a little more fast and furious now. Was there a moment where you were like, what the fuck am I doing? I need to go back to LA. Every day. Every day. Every single day I get up and say that. For real. Really?

And I'm not even exaggerating. Every day I get up and go, what the fuck am I doing? But you keep going. Yeah. Because I have some things on the agenda that I want to accomplish in the next month in Texas when I leave here. First of all, I don't know where I'm sleeping tonight. I don't know where I'm going tonight. But I have a few little interesting tricks for that, too.

But if I ever get stuck in a bind where I've been driving and I haven't found a nice place like that, I'll go to just a straight up truck stop and I'll wedge in between a bunch of 18 wheelers, crash, get up in the morning and, you know, start finding my destination. What I've been finding is I get on these sort of, this sort of pattern where I'll go a couple of days where I don't find a place like that, you know, that's like, but every three or four days I'll find a couple of days where I don't find a place like that. You know, that's like, but every three or four days, I'll find a place kind of at that level of beauty.

And then once I'm there, I'll stay there for four or five days and just really get into it. I'll shoot a lot of video. I'll edit and I'll create some music and I'll create some things. And then when I get back to cell service, I'll post and then I go look for the next spot. So my agenda when I leave here today

is I want to go around Texas and go find some ghost towns. Ghost towns? Lots of ghost towns in Texas. Really? Apparently there's 500 of them. 500 ghost towns? Back in the silver mining and gold mining

days when they built the railroads. First of all, the silver would dry up, the town would dry up. So there's these towns that are just dilapidated, broken down towns in the middle of the... Didn't Kim Basinger buy one of those? She did, yeah. She did, right? In Georgia, right?

I think so, yeah. And I want... She must have been losing her marbles. Why would she buy a ghost town? Yeah, I don't know, but you know there's a real sort of beauty to it because there's two things I've been doing that I've found I really enjoy, and they're new things, so I can't

speak to them with total detail, but next time I talk to you, I'm going to have a lot more information about this. The other thing is native ruins. There is an unbelievable amount of Native American ruins out there in the desert of New Mexico. The reason I was in the Gila National Forest, I went to the cliff dwellings that were built by… The Anastasi?

Yeah. The Anastasi is in Colorado. Oh, okay. But it looks just like that. Same kind of thing? It's exactly like that. And so there's... Are they the novel then?

They were the Magolan Indians, they were called. In 1280, they built this. Whoa. And so that video, there's a clip of that. 1280? Yeah, there's a clip of that

in the Arizona one. There's a clip of that. And these are Yeah, there's a clip of that in the Arizona one. There's a clip of that. And these are, like, first of all, very remote. That was right actually where we saw the Javelina. It was right after I went there. There are 50 rooms in this thing, built out of stone, up on a cliff. They've created it. So, but it was built in 1280 and then not discovered by...

The park ranger told me this last week. Yeah, right here. Wow. That's just sitting there. Not discovered until when? Not discovered until 1874. Holy shit. Right?

1874. And so they discovered this. And it wasn't until a few years later that Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt made it a national monument. So in the period between 1874 and I think 1907, it got looted a bit. When they found it, it was full of pottery, it was full of all this artifacts and stuff. That got looted, that's gone. But there's some things in there that were really interesting that they did discover, like they discovered a macaw feather. is this is pretty beautiful place is why oh yeah and you're this is all drone footage no this is me shooting with my handheld camera so you're allowed to walk around

up there yeah so they have a nice it's really set up nice it's a you drive in on a nice paved road and then there's a national park uh state park or national park it's the national forest facility there um national park facility i believe but uh and uh there's some some uh rangers there and some some people with knowledge of the history and then they have a nice maintained path that walks up so were there people up there looking at it with you? There was. On that day, I saw the sun was kind of going down there, and there were two other people.

That's it. And they walked up ahead of me. Yeah, National Monument, yeah. Gila Cliff Drawings. Yeah. And the Gila Wilderness. The Gila Wilderness is where they have some of the best elk hunting in the world. Yeah.

Yeah, there was a lot of hunters out, and I saw some elk. I saw some elk. Did you? Yeah. Did you hear them screaming? I did not, but they were... The thing that I noticed about the elk, which was just the one time I saw them,

was they were... I was driving, so I was driving a very remote sort of... I'm not taking any interstates. I never take an interstate. All the way from LA, the whole way to here, I maybe was on the 10 for like maybe a couple of miles just to get from one highway to another.

So you take the smaller highways, and then you see like these towns, these places that went away when the railway was built somewhere else. Or when they put the interstate somewhere else, the town dried up. And then there's these towns that are just kind of half alive and fledgling towns. And there's some real beauty there to it. So from a photography standpoint, there's a lot of nice architecture and things that is just really interesting. So you consciously made a decision in the beginning of this journey

to not take any interstates? Yeah, because I want to go find these places that are off the beaten track and photograph them, really. But so I was coming around a corner and there was a herd of elk and they were sort of in the distance and they were running, like playing with each other. Have you ever seen that? Like one was running, and then they were running around. How long ago was this?

How long ago was this? Oh, like seven days ago or something. Oh, okay. So it wouldn't be the rut. The rut is in September. Yeah, they were running. Sometimes they late rut in October. Yeah.

So one was running, and I thought they were horses for sure, because I just thought, well, I've never seen them. And it was fast, really fast, like across this. It was a sort of farmer's field. And they were playing with each other? Yeah, and then the car pulled up. I pulled up my car, and they immediately stopped and looked at me and walked off into the woods.

But, yeah, it's beautiful out there, man. But, yeah, ghost towns, that's where I'm going after this. I'm going to go try to find some ghost towns and photograph those. And I'm writing. I write in the van. I'm working on things that I'm working on. I'm not just completely off the grid. I mean, I'm writing an animated series right now that I'm sort of working on.

So I'm on my computer sometimes. An animated series? Yeah. I'm working with this great company out of Ottawa, my hometown. They're called Mercury Filmworks. And they actually animate Mickey Mouse and all sorts of stuff for Disney, the big animated company. And so I'm writing a fun show about a crazy kid who likes pulling pranks.

Oh, about you? Yes. It's called Little Tommy Green. Oh, boy. How on the nose is that? It's like a Dennis the Menace, you know? But he goes out and pulls pranks on his parents and does a lot of the kinds of things I did. But, you know, so I'm writing that and just kind of, you know, it's interesting.

I found that, like, I can kind of do everything that I would do at home in the van, you know, with this electrical system, you know. So it's pretty neat. You seem like you're in a good place. Like, it seems like it's been tricky, but you, I mean, I'm getting the impression that you're really enjoying this i am yeah is this gonna extend how long are you gonna do this for uh this is this has been a this is a very good question um is this your new life it's possible really i'm not selling my house or anything i think what i'll do is i mean i bought the van it's i didn't rent it for a quick one-off trip you know and and i've put a lot of time into it, and I am enjoying it.

And, you know, one thing is I've always loved photography. I'm bringing a Leica film camera as well, so I'm shooting a lot of still photography as well. And it's nice to have something to take a picture of, you know. It's nice to go somewhere interesting. So I'm enjoying that. But I think that what I'll probably do is, you know it's nice to go somewhere interesting so i'm enjoying that um but i think that i think that what i'll probably do is you know when life gets back to normal whenever the fuck that is

right yeah what is normal anymore yeah um part of my plan is to you know when i start touring again doing stand-up again i think i might take a few less airplanes less airplanes in the future and be in the van a little bit more. So, say if you have a gig, if you decided to stand up in Utah, you might drive there. I'm thinking I might start to talk to, you know, the way I book it about sort of doing more of a road trip type run of like in a straight line as opposed to go, oh, I'm in, you know, Seattle this week and Boston next week. Right.

We have to do an East Coast run or do... Yeah, that's smart. So I'm thinking it might be something that I do. I mean, I'm not moving into my van full time, but I definitely do love it. But you're moving in that direction, it seems like. Look, it's interesting what you say, I believe, is true because... A little more coffee? Yeah, get in there, fella.

By the way, this is the way I make coffee, too. I make coffee with this thing. This is not an endorsement or anything, but it's a pretty cool product. It's called a Jetboil. Yeah, I use Jetboils. Those are great, huh? Yeah, they're great for hunting.

Yeah, because I don't want to use my battery, so I boil up my water, and then I make my coffee, and then I pour it into a thermos. I've got my coffee all day, and my hot coffee in the thermos all day. It's amazing that it stays hot. And I was thinking about that. Modern technology.

Thinking about that exact thing. I'm going, has thermos technology changed? Oh, yeah. Since in Canada, I was a kid, you'd take a thermos to hockey because we'd play outside on outdoor rinks and you'd bring a thermos of hot chocolate. We didn't. Yeah. Well, when I was a kid, we used to ice fish and we used to bring hot coffee oh yeah out onto the lake yeah i never did much of that it's uh it's fun it's not as fun as regular fishing but when you're living in a place like boston and yeah were you in the hut on the no we're just out there yeah

what were you fishing for uh pike? Trout, usually. Trout. Yeah, pike too, though. Yeah, pike are pretty active in cold weather. Do you do much fishing these days? I do when I can. Unfortunately, ever since I moved to Austin, it's been kind of playing catch up and getting everything set up. I'm still not totally moved.

I mean, I moved in, but I'm not totally settled in. But I'm pretty close. Yeah. Didn't catch much trout growing up. Mostly largemouth bass and pike was what I would fish for. But yeah, thermos technology, I don't know if it's changed, but it's amazing. Oh, yeah. Yeti flipped the fucking game on its head.

Really? Yeah. Yeti coolers are amazing. I have a Yeti cooler that I take when I hunt, and you can put ice in that Yeti cooler in the summer, and seven days later you'll have ice. It's bananas. They're crazy. I took a video that I put on my Instagram of we shot deer in Hawaii,

shot Axis deer in Hawaii. They put the thing in the cargo, seal up the Yeti, and got it all the way back to LA, left it outside overnight. Then the next day at noon, I opened it up, and it was filled with ice. Like rock-solid ice. Okay. It's crazy how good those things insulate. That's better than – I just have a regular thermos for my coffee, but that's pretty amazing.

Yeah, I don't know. The coolers are way better. thermoses are better those you know Yeti makes those tumblers they'll keep your coffee hot like literally all day I don't know what they're doing some voodoo but it's fucking amazing I loved in the I love the the sock foot walk and when you did the when you were with Steve oh yeah when you're sneaking up on deer, you've got to take your shoes off. Is that something that you've done before? Yeah, yeah.

My friend Remy Warren calls it an SOS, a shoes-off situation. Like when you're closing in on, particularly on mule deer. Mule deer are very sensitive to predators. Elk are not nearly as sensitive. Elk hear a lot of noise. Elk are a big animal.

And they're worried about mountain lions and bears and stuff like that. But they're a little less worried than the smaller animals are. So mule deer are particularly worried. They're very jumpy. They're always listening around. Their ears are twisting. And if you snap a branch, they'll pop up and start running. Obviously, that was a fun day with you and Steve out there. You snap a branch, they'll pop up and start running.

Obviously, that was a fun day with you and Steve out there, but that was in Nevada, was it? Yeah, that was in the Nevada high country. We were hunting mule deer. We struck out, but I got real close a couple times to deer. I just didn't really get a shot. Is it kind of nice sometimes when they get away? Yeah.

It is because, well, it's a luxury because I'm living in a first world country and I have access to food and I'm not starving. So it's a luxury that I can enjoy the fact that they got away. Because this is something that I've been grappling with a little bit. Because like I said, I'm not a hunter, but now I am hunting, but I haven't actually seen anything, so I'm just looking. When I'm saying I'm hunting, I'm looking for something. You're looking for birds, right? And in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, grouse or quail. I could probably wrap my head around that.

Shoot one of those? Yeah. Because first of all, I'm eating raw onions and canned beans out there. I'm not cooking onions, but that would be pretty tasty. A nice chicken out there. A nice wild chicken. But the thing is, I also kind of know I'm never going to find one because I don't know what I'm doing.

And I think you really need dogs that are trained to roast the birds out. Not necessarily. No, there's a lot of birds that you can get if you just... So I've done some research. Okay, so I went to... This was top of a mountain. Where was this? This was...

I've been on the road for a while, but... It was, you know, I know the dusk, the dusty grouse is native to this certain elevation in the Waysoch Plateau. That's where I was. The Waysoch Plateau in Utah. And I went up there. I don't think that's how you say it. Wasoch?

I think that's it, yeah. Yeah, I just read the sign when I drove up the road. Beautiful country, though, huh? Oh, my God, yeah. And they're in the Aspens. And so, you know, I walked up. But there was a moment where I was walking through the Aspens looking for the dusty grouse. And, you know, didn't see one. And then there were three beautiful deer standing there, like, as far as Jamie away Jamie away looking at me standing there with my

shotgun looking at him I'm just like I don't know what I'd do with you guys but I am pretty hungry right now but I'll let you guys uh let you guys go I'm gonna keep looking for my bird but but uh so I don't know I don't know that I would ever have even really want to shoot a mammal a mammal for some reason yeah I don't know if I but. But you eat them. Yeah, no, I know. And I've heard you talk about this and I agree with it too. But I just don't know if I'd be able to do it. I don't know. You would definitely be able to do it if you had to for food.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I'm sure you would develop a different sort of relationship with the animal. You would think that you're very appreciative of them. that you're very appreciative of them, but you'll develop this real predator-prey relationship with animals if you need to survive. I've talked about this many times, but unfortunately I'm going to talk about it again.

There's a fantastic series that Vice Guide to Travel did back in the day. It's quite a few years old, at least eight years old, I think. It's called Hein Mo's Arctic adventure and it's a guy I think his name is Hein Mo Kuth I think that's his last name and he lives up in the middle of nowhere in Alaska and he actually has a license to be in this particular area or a permit to be in this particular area that no one else can ever have a house in there again. He's like grandfathered in.

Yeah. And all this guy does is go out and subsistence hunt. So he goes out and hunts caribou. He goes out and he fishes. And that's all he does. That's his whole life. And this guy has this incredible connection to to life and to to his food and but he's also a very articulate intelligent man so when he talks about it he's

able to talk about it in a way this is the guy right here wow so he's got all of his food and it's frozen so that's his cabin that's where Yeah, yeah. And he's been out there since, I think, since the 70s. Man. Is this where I'm headed? Yeah, I think so. Super fucking healthy and really robust, this guy. Didn't find out about 9-11 until quite a while afterwards, and I think he found out from a photograph.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, and he lives up there with his wife there it's like one of those with his wife japanese soldiers they found in the woods sort of the 60s you know right right that's still thought the war was going on yeah yeah but this guy he's got a really interesting way of describing what he thinks is great about this life wow wait what's where do I find this? This is amazing. It's Vice Guide to Travel. Oh, wow. Yeah, there it is. Surviving Alone Alaska. Heimo, H-E-I-M-O Korth.

That's how you say it. K-O-R-T-H. Wow. Yeah, I watched that show alone, actually, which I loved. Have you ever watched that show? Yes. That show was amazing. That was something I was getting in my head. I don't know if it's the latest season, but the one guy who got the moose. Jordan Jonas, right?

Isn't that his name? That's the guy who's been on the podcast. Yeah. And he like made a fishing net out of rope. And that was incredible. But no, it's just something amazing about it for sure. But so, yeah. Yeah.

And by the way, like, first of all, I believe I said congratulations already off camera, but how cool is this, man? Thank you. Congratulations. Thanks, buddy. I, you know, I'm super, it doesn't make sense to say proud of you because, I mean, what the fuck does that mean? But, you know, like, I am, though. I mean, like, I just, I think it's so cool. I sent you a text right after you announced your Spotify deal.

I was just thinking, like, nobody has ever done that before. You know, like in the history of all broadcasting. You know, I said, you know, Johnny Carson was a guy who we all looked up to back in the day. Had everybody watching him. It was a different world. Television was, you know, three networks. Everybody watched Johnny. He was a guy who became this very successful person off of traditional media. But to do what you've done is just so incredible. And I just, congratulations. It's definitely something that, you know, we talked about this before, but I always thought, man, you could do that. You could do that.

You could be the biggest show and not be on network TV. I always believed that. And thank you for proving it because it's so cool. And I love the studio, by the way. Well, thank you for being a pioneer, man, because you gave me some of the— I mean, I'm a real pioneer now. I'm living in a log, chopping wood for dinner. But you were a pioneer of this because you gave me the seeds of the earliest ideas about doing a podcast. Well, you've been very kind when you've said these things to me over the years and last

time. But what I find amazing about it that I never was able to figure out, I was into the technology, and I was never really able to figure out what is so amazing, what I've watched you figure out, is you've really made a show that really captures the interest of people. A huge population of people love what you guys talk about on the show, and that's what's really cool. I mean, how did you determine that like you know i i just watched your interview with kanye i just watched your interview with alex jones and i'm just seeing all these subjects that i see swirling around and i'm going well that's the kind of stuff that like when i go

down a rabbit hole on the internet like like I want to learn about these things. Was there a moment where you realized, oh, wait, like if I talk about X, Y, or Z, that's really capturing people's attention? Or was it just what you were interested in? Never for a second. Never for a second have I said, this is going to capture people's interest. Never. Everything has been like, ooh this is going to capture people's interest. Never. Everything has been like, ooh, I want to talk to that guy. Oh, that guy said he was in a Navy jet and he was tracking a UFO,

Commander David Fravor. Ooh, I want to talk to him. Oh, Bob Lazar said he worked on alien technology in Area S4. Oh, I want to talk to him. Oh, this guy said he saw bigfoot or that guy says he's working on life extension and figuring out how to lengthen your telomeres or this guy knows how to you know whatever it is whatever they're figuring out the age of the universe or people are just you know people that are writing books or people that are you know former military

people or people that are whatever they are if If I find them interesting, I like people. I'm a big fan of people. I like talking to all kinds of different people. I like the way their brain thinks. I like comparing the way people's brain thinks. I like sort of like just seeing how they view the world because the way you view the world is the way you personally view the world, but it's very much influenced by the things that you've found attractive about the way the other people that

you've run into see things like we are not individuals in the sense that we're autonomous completely alone without any influence whatsoever from the outside world we are we have multi influences we're constantly being influenced by our environment. That's why where you live is so important. And one of the things that I found in moving from LA to Austin is that where you live, it makes a big impact on the amount of stress you have and how you feel. I feel so much better here, just right away. Disconnected from Hollywood, disconnected from traditional forms of show business, but also the people here.

The people here are different. They're more relaxed. They're regular people. Chappelle and I were having a conversation about this last night, and we were talking about how people here in Austin, they're real people. They're not people that are trying to get famous and people that are trying to get on television shows and do movies. And there's a weirdness to that life. And some of the people that do that are really cool.

It's rare and nice when you run into a guy like Chris Pratt, who is a super famous guy. He's in the movies, but could not be more genuine. Could not be more down to earth. Could not be more normal and friendly. Super great guy. Just happens to be a big movie star. But that's rare. Most of the people that want that life, they're all kind of wacky and fucked up.

And you're in their world with their energy, and they infect all the people around them. They infect people that are in the service industry, managers, agents. There's this fucking hive of weirdness. Out here, there's none of that. There's none of that. And almost immediately, I felt a lowering of stress level. Almost immediately.

And then the people that you deal with, whether it's someone who's working at the counter at Walgreens or a restaurant, they they're so nice they're so friendly and so because early on in your show you had the confidence to just do your own thing right you you created your own thing you didn't have you know these sort of tentacles coming down telling you oh you can't interview that person yeah that that that allowed you to just talk to the people that you found interesting and you happen to be interested in interesting shit. Yeah, but in the beginning, nobody wanted anything to do with it.

That's what's hilarious. Like my agent in the beginning didn't want to have anything to do with this podcast. They're like, what are you doing? You're wasting your time. Because back then, like 2,000 people were watching or listening. Nobody was listening. Yeah, I remember with mine, I was trying to tell people, hey, this is going to be a thing. I know.

They're like, get the fuck out of here. We're busy with movies, kid. They were busy. So luckily in the beginning when I maybe could have used a little help getting guests or doing things or getting advertisement or something like that they didn't get involved because if somebody got involved they would have definitely told me to not do things that have turned out to be very successful like i'm sure they would have told me to not interview controversial people or not interview people that you're you know you're gonna get criticized for specific topics or you know specific people that are writing books that may you know ruffle a bunch

of people's feathers. I want to know what they think. I want to know why they think the way they think. I want to ask them questions. And there's a lot of people that don't think you should do that. And they'll be the gatekeepers to the information that you take in and the conversations that you have and you distribute. And it's not good. If you talk to someone and it was a mistake,

well, now you know. But at least you know. You talk to them. If someone tells you it's a mistake to talk to someone, but you want to talk to them, and then you start thinking, oh, let me run it by Mike and the team. And then the team, they'll sit around

and think about their mortgage. They sit around and think about whether or not you could get in trouble, and that could eventually lead to them having a decrease in their income and then they start to fucking play it safe. I've seen that, man. I've seen that with stand-ups. I've seen that with people.

There's people that they have podcasts and they have a bunch of people that are there at the studio telling them to talk about different things, telling them to pick different subjects, telling them, let's move on. Like, I've seen that. I've seen in the middle of a podcast, someone say, let's move on.

You guys are on this subject. Let's move on. Who the fuck are you? Let's move on. Some guy standing on the outside that gets some sneaky paycheck that he doesn't really deserve is now saying, let's move on. Holding a clipboard as if it, like, what are you doing? Get the fuck out of here.

It's two people talking. And if they decide to move on, they'll move on. But people that, like, bring up this. Bring up that. Like, bring up this. Who are you? Why are you here? But that's what they do

if you've ever gone to like i went to i did um what's that guy's name the the sports guy bill simmons i did his show on hbo he's a great guy really interesting guy and i love the way he does his podcast but i did his hbo show dude and you're surrounded by people it's me and him sitting in the booth just like this but there's fucking people there, and there's people there, and there's people walking around the set. It's distracting. There's people standing around. They got notes and clipboards, and there's camera people everywhere.

You're like, this is not necessary. You have 100 people here, or 20. You have 20 people here. You need one. You need one person. And then managing all of those people becomes a bigger priority than actually the content. And then you have inter-office politics take place. You have relationships with people. I mean, not even, I don't mean relationships like boy-girl, boy-boy, girl-girl. I mean like

friends and yeah, and then weirdness. Egos. Egos. Yes. The bosses have got ego and then they're mad at the talent because the talent's getting more attention than they are. Everyone's hurting. No one would have ever let me do this show. They would have never. No one would have ever let me.

And it's not by design that I did it this way. It's not like I see what they don't see and I'm going to do this. It's like, I didn't want to listen. It's like, get out of here. Fuck off and I'm going to do this. It's like I didn't want to listen. It's like get out of here. Fuck off. I'm going to do what I want to do. You had that confidence and just straight up sort of –

just sort of you didn't give a fuck and you just did it. Where do you think that came from? Fear factor money. Right. That helped. I had a little bit of fear factor money in the bank where I'm like if this shit completely hits the fan, I can just sort of live off of that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, I've never been very good with the whole boss, someone telling you what to do. If I did that, if I was good with that, I would never become a stand-up. I would have never done most of the things that I've done. And I certainly would have... No, thank you. I'm good.

I certainly would have never been able to do the podcast this way. If I brought people aboard, and there was a certain point in time where people... We were talking about it before the show, that people did want to come on board. And I started getting offers. I've had offers where people wanted to buy half the podcast. Yeah.

Like pretty generous amounts of money. Yeah. And I was like, this is not... I don't think this is wise. This is not wise. This is going to get weird. Spotify was the first offer where they came around. They said, we don't want you to do anything different.

We just want to license the show. How do you decide what you're going to ask people? You just go on with the flow? Do you research and stuff? Because I really loved some of the questions you asked Kanye. I'm trying to remember what they were. But I mean, do you sort of plan it in advance? Or are you kind of just sort of, because-

Well, with Kanye, we had talked about doing a podcast for a long time, but I was worried that he was going to come off in a negative way. I remember your first question was, why do you want to do this, right? I just thought that was- That was when he was running for president. Yeah, I thought it was such a great question because it's like, why do you want to run for president? Well, that's how everybody would ask that question.

Yeah, but it was just right into it. It was just great, you know? Well, I'm a fan of his music. I've always been a fan of his music. And I think that the way he communicates his sort of manic style of thinking and constantly creating and doing things, it's why he's so successful.

I mean, this stream of consciousness that he has is also why he's so prolific as an artist. I mean, all of his albums are good. He doesn't have a dud. You go from one album to the next, and they're all like he's got this stream of creative ideas that are constantly running through his head. And he talks sometimes in these streams where they don't end. He goes from one subject to the next subject. sometimes in these streams where they don't end he goes from one subject to the next subject and so i was curious as to like how i was gonna talk to him and i wanted to make sure that we can

do it in a way where other people are gonna appreciate there's a great value in the way he thinks and then if you get it in sound bites or you get it in some weird thing where he says something and people get mad at him and they boom or something like that like you're missing who he really is who he really is is him all day it's not him in this 30 second chunk where you don't like what he said guess what he probably doesn't like what he said either okay he's fucking streaming he's just going he's running with these thoughts and ideas but that's also why he can boil those thoughts and ideas down these amazing fucking songs you know like this is that's what i wanted to get out of him while we were talking because people were trying to medicate him and people were trying to and i'm like i don't i if you

have a choice between this medicated overweight kanye who doesn't get anything done or manic crazy Kanye says wild shit you want manic crazy Kanye yes manic crazy Kanye is the one who makes amazing music and I've been around him he's a nice guy man he's a really genuinely nice guy and when the cameras are off same things nice guy with all the staff and everybody he's cool yeah like he's genuinely cool but whatever you want to call mental illness that's the problem it's like when you call it mental illness well well you got to give it medicine he's got mental illness you got to give him medicine do you really because that mental illness is making some pretty amazing

shit right like look at his fucking look at his catalog look at all the music he's made yeah that's all because of mental illness no whatever you call an illness is a particular style of thinking that he has that's sort of non-linear and it's it's wild and it's all over the place but it's also very focused i found in that interview though that you know i've seen him interviewed quite a bit but that was for that was one where everything he said made a lot of sense. He's certainly done a lot of... put a lot of thought into a lot of the stuff he was talking about with everything from reorganizing the way civilization works.

I know, isn't that crazy? It takes a little bit of thinking to come up with how to reorganize the entire way civilization works. But that was one of the things that I thought was really good about the interviews. You do get a chance to see, this is not just a crazy person who buys his own bullshit and by the way when he's like the braggy stuff that he kind of does talks about himself first of all he's being honest about where he is he's sort of reaffirming who he is but also he jokes around like he was

joking around about it outside he was showing us this video that he had made for his wife for his wife's birthday and it was really emotional it was very beautiful because he he made a uh a hologram of her dad and he wrote the script for all this oh he did yeah and he wrote the script for all the things that the hologram was telling her. It's really intense. And you can do that now. They can take your voice. And for you and I, it would be easy for them to do because there's hours and hours and hours of us talking.

So they would take this voice. God, can you imagine what they could do? They already have. They used me as an example for one of these companies in Canada. They used me as an example for how well this deep fake technology works because there's 1,500 fucking plus podcasts of me that are three hours long. So you take these sounds that come out of my mouth, and then you can make me say anything, literally anything,

because every noise that I'm capable of making, I've made. So you use this catalog of sounds that my voice can make and that's what he also did with that hologram yeah because you know robert kardashian there's all the cases and all the different times he's been interviewed on television there's a great catalog of his voice and you can have him speak to her. Yeah. But even in then, like he has him say, you know, and you're genius, genius husband. But he was laughing when he said it and showed it to us. He was laughing.

He thought it was funny that he had them. Yeah. He had Robert Kardashian call him a genius, amazing genius husband. He thought it was funny. Like he's not just, it's not just funny like he's not just it's not just ego it's not just crazy it's also there's brilliance there he's a complicated person it's nice to hear that because like you know it's

interesting I don't know how the media can sort of reframe a person right and they take away nuance yeah people are nuanced man people are really complicated you decide to decide that a person is this person because of one sentence they said one time or because of one thing that they did where they maybe wish they didn't or because of one concert they did where people booed them or what whatever you pick about kanye that people decide he's this people just love to put someone in a box and categorize them and just decide that they want to dismiss them. And this is the problem with cancel culture, right?

It's like we have this idea of things where we want to boil them down to almost a tweet. Things that are enormously complicated. a tweet you know things that are like enormously complicated a man who's lived 40 plus years of his life and in that life has experienced heartbreak and sorrow and success and failure and friendship and betrayal and all these different things and all the the the creative passions that you've poured out into your work and they want to just boil you down to a sentence or two and it's crazy it's crazy it's crazy for the person doing that and trying to boil someone down it's crazy for people to read it and accept it it's it's so negative it's one of the most negative things about social media is that we want to categorize someone by individual tweets or individual statements.

People are fucking immensely complex. Immensely complex. And to deny that, to deny that is very disingenuous. It's dishonest. It's bad for our understanding of us. It's bad for our understanding of who we are personally as a human when when someone decides to define you based on a sentence or call you they'll tom green is just a bump a bump a bump and then you read it you're like oh shit i am yeah fuck like we were talking about then you

start to believe it well that's when the comments are negative you know when you're reading comments you're reading one person's typed out thing that's negative about you and you're saying like oh I can't help myself Yeah, that that is all up. There's a real issue with the way human beings are Taking in other people's opinions It's not that there's anything wrong with taking in people's opinions But people's opinions are supposed to be shared like this But you and I are sharing opinions like you tell me something and i tell you something

and i say did you mean this and you're like no no i meant that and you're like oh okay oh so you think that you're like yeah and then we're like oh then we get each other we're talking but it's an exchange it's very rare that you can just nail something with a sentence or two. And also, you're not limited by time as in normal television. There's, oh, we've got seven minutes before the commercial break, so we've got to get to this and this and this, and then you never really end up talking about anything. That's been the best part about podcasting without a boss is that no one has ever told me, like, it has to be 45 minutes long. It has to be in here, and let's edit out the parts that weren't as good. Let's chop this up and make that like, why? Yeah.

Why? So are you going to go back to LA at all? Are you going to keep the studio there or two? I'm going to fly over it in a plane when it's on fire. You're not going to, what about the comedy story? When Gavin Newsom detonates the nuclear weapon that he has under his desk. What about stand-up? Because they decide that they're going to kick him out of office.

You miss the comedy store? He's going to have a suicide vest on. Yeah, I do miss the comedy store, but the comedy store is not the comedy store anymore. It's not open. Right. But when it opens up again, you're going to... If. If is the word.

LA is on a 10 p.m. curfew now. You know why? Because COVID has a betty-by time. COVID, after 10 p.m., it comes out and it attacks people. But before 10 p.m., you're fine. Well, we got a vaccine coming, right? When the vaccine next year,

it'll open up again. Why 10 p.m.? That's so arbitrary. You tell me you can't catch COVID between 6 and 10. There's going to be some sort of a thing that happens. After 10, people are more vulnerable. They get drunk and put your guard down it's nonsense man it's nonsense these fucking

assholes are imposing rules on people that close their businesses down for no reason you want to drink sure that's what you want if i'll have one all right yeah am i getting you nervous all this crazy talk of covid no you just mentioned alcohol and i thought hey you're still drinking on the show yeah we can have some booze sort of. Jamie, let's get us some whiskey. Some Texas whiskey. And some glasses. No ice. We're going like men today.

No ice. Fuck it. What kind of whiskey are you drinking here in Texas? Whatever we have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have a favorite? I've been drinking Bushmills. That's good stuff.

I like Buffalo Trace. Oh, yeah. We had that last time. It's a sponsor, and they've been around since before America started. Ah, okay. They've been around since 1773. I see. And it's really good.

They won Whiskey Maker of the Year 2020. Yeah. Bushmills is my grandfather's Irish heritage. That's real shit. Northern Ireland. My friend Josh Barnett has a great whiskey as well. God damn it. I don't have a bottle here

I'm trying to remember the name of it It's like War Master It's like a smoky whiskey, it's very good He brought it last time he was on the podcast Yeah, I drink in scotch too Balvini scotch I like So you're getting hammered out there in the woods by yourself In the woods I don't have the Balvini

In the woods I bring I got a lot of mini bottles, like airplane bottles. Oh. I got a fridge full of those. Do you? Yeah. Why don't you just have a big bottle and glass? Because once you open it, you know, you don't really want to open a bottle of booze in your van when you're driving around.

So you just drink them one at a time. Oh, I see. And then you never have an open container, and that's my idea. I came up with it. Oh, that's right. Like, you can't have an open container in a car, right? Yeah, exactly. Is that the deal?

Yeah, exactly. So I the deal? Yeah, exactly. So I just got a bunch of little ones. That's quite smart, sir. That's a healthy pour, my friend. Salute, my brother. Thank you. Come on, man. We're in Texas.

This is still Austin. Straight bourbon whiskey. Local stuff. Oh, legit. Right? Very nice, yeah. Very good. very good whoa bourbon that's this i don't drink alone that's corn right bourbon's corn yep i don't drink alone so you don't no no i'm a social drinker i don't think i ever drink i guess but yeah i smoke weed alone though

yeah yeah yeah but i like to do that before I write. Yeah. Yeah, I heard Carlin talk about that. I mean, read or something. He talked about how he... Let me get this right. I get it. He wrote first. And then he would write to punch it up. And polish.

One, he would drink. And one, he would... He would drink when he was coming up with ideas. And then he would polish it up with some weed, I think. Oh, really? Or maybe it was the other way around. But, yeah. He definitely would punch it up with ideas, and then he would polish it up with some weed, I think. Oh, really? Or maybe it was the other way around, but yeah. He definitely would punch it up with pot, he said.

He would smoke pot and then punch up the material. It's interesting. Like, how are you supposed to write totally straight, you know? I write in the morning a lot. Yeah. Totally straight. Right. Because you kind of got that energy.

But a lot of times, it's just a scaffolding. Just a framework. And then pot's like, I got an idea. Then I smoke the weed and the weed's like, I got an idea. I feel like it's cheating sometimes. Because the ideas aren't really mine. They're the weed's ideas. The weed's like, listen. No, it's just relaxing your mind

and taking you away from your distractions and allowing you to just kind of relax and think of things that you might not have thought of if you were distracted by all the seriousness of life, right? I think it's more complicated than that. I think your body is interacting with molecules that it doesn't come in contact with in the regular world. And these molecules have a spiritual connection to the universe that you're not able to access without them. That's what I really believe. Wait, say that again. I think the molecules of marijuana in particular, when you smoke pot and you just get this,

there's a connection that you get with the universe that's not available when you're sober. Right. When you're sober, I think that your feelings are in some ways deadened. They're deadened by an accumulation of life experience and overwhelming burden of your existence and your friends and your bills and your obligations and your life there's all these things going on and all these things sort of like squash and deaden your sensitivity and then And then everything just, whoa, everything opens up. And then you have access to thoughts and ideas and feelings that you're just not available without the weed.

Right. Yeah, absolutely. It's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah. I remember the first time I was on your show. How many years ago was that, at your old house? That's been a while.

I think. That's back in the day, son. I think we were pretty high for that one. I think we got too high a lot of times for those shows. Yeah, yeah. And you'll notice the last time I was here, I was like, oh, I don't really like to smoke when I do the thing because I kind of get quiet, you know?

Get nervous. We were talking about the election yesterday, and I did it with Donnell, and then Dave Chappelle come on, and I got way too high. I'm trying to think of what I really think about the election while I'm doing it. Yeah. Like, on one hand, I'm like, I hope people are more relaxed. Like, the people that hated Trump, I hope they're more relaxed, and I hope everybody just, like, maybe the country can heal together.

But on the other side, like the people that think that Trump got robbed, like they're angry. And it's almost like people are more separated than ever before. And there's a lot of people that are like, there was no election interference. There was no election fraud. I'm like, I think there's always election fraud. Always. The question is how much of it is there yeah if you're dealing with hundreds of thousands of workers like we were talking about it yesterday like what is the number of election fraud is it what's the

percentage it's not zero is it more than zero most people think it's more than zero yes like so what's the number is it only like a thousand episodes of fraud in the whole country over millions and millions and millions of votes? And it's really non, you know, in terms of like the overall effect, it's, it's quite possibly it's that. Yeah. In my opinion. I don't, I don't know.

I mean, I just, I haven't done anything to research it, so I wouldn't be able to tell you for sure, but I just worry about the state of the country in terms of like this polarization between the two sides, the red versus the blue, because I think it's mostly bullshit. I think mostly people are just Americans and we need to just like, whoever's in office now, let's just like, let's support them

and hope they do the best. Because one of the things we were saying yesterday was that I feel like when Trump was in office, people literally wanted the economy to tank So that he would be a loser they wanted things to go bad because they didn't want him to do well They would rat like I was saying if you gave a lot of hardcore people that were Trump haters the choice would you rather have the country do fantastic and have Trump's all of his ideas turn out to be the best for our

our culture our economy joblessness everything everything's doing great but he's bragging he's on tv or would you rather have everything tank and he goes to jail fuck him put him in jail i think there's a lot of people that would say that they would rather the economy go to shit and trump wound up getting put in jail and removed from office than him being a winner and being successful it's very strange because he's such a polarizing figure that we we would rather him fail and then the united States, not we, some people would, rather him fail and the United States be in a real bad situation than him kick ass and do amazing and the United States booming, but this asshole that you hate is like the hero. What you do here is amazing because you have this sort of very broad audience of people on both sides on your show and uh you have found a way to i guess

not polarize it so badly that half the people don't want to yeah pay attention i don't think we do have two sides you don't i think it's a lie i think we have america i think we have you know we're saying that somebody wanted to write something about you, like a negative comment about you on a YouTube video. I like that, by the way. You don't have two sides. I like that because I've been thinking a lot about that lately because I've been, I don't know if you can see in some of the videos,

I got my U.S. citizenship last year. I think I told you that before. Yay. They let me in. Woo! After 20 years. But so, you know, I got my U.S. flag that I hang for my awning in my videos. Beautiful.

It's a beautiful thing. You're out there. And part of what I've been doing with, you know, my photos and my podcast and my traveling is I really – part of what it is is I just want to show my little audience at this time that's tuning in. I want to show them how much there is to celebrate in this country. It's beautiful out there. It's so beautiful. It's rare, too. And people don't go out there, so it's beautiful.

I can't even believe it. Anyways, so I'm flying the flag. I'm very proud to be an American. Right? I am very proud to be an American. I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free. Right? Yeah. I am. And I am. And I'm also proud to be an american where at least i know i'm free right yeah i am i am and i'm also proud to be canadian i was getting a little grief save that save that you were doing great you'll notice i put a little canada i've said in canada that i think countries countries are

bullshit i think you guys are basically northern americans they got mad like i go we're all north america yeah you go you're canada i go this is no different to me than being from fucking south dakota come on we're all humans on earth i agree with this is nonsense yeah you just have a different king yeah yeah but uh no it's uh it's it's it's it's interesting because, you know, everybody on social media has to kind of, you know, if you're putting information out there, you end up now having to deal with getting drawn into this argument, which is frustrating to someone like me because, you know, I just want to take some cool pictures and tell some jokes and have some fun. And all of a sudden, oh, I said something that indicated I believe this or that, and everyone's mad at you. So I find it pretty incredible how you've found a way of navigating that. Well, I don't know how I did it.

I think being honest is one of them. And then also, I don't believe in the two sides. I share a lot of opinions from both sides. Like, I do not have an ideology that is neatly tucked into the left or the right. Well, didn't you endorse Bernie? Yeah, I love all of his ideas about helping community. And I think this is a problem. I love all of his ideas about helping community. And I think this is a problem that people that think of themselves as right-wing, they don't want to look at the good aspects of someone from the left.

Someone from the left like Bernie, first of all, he wants to absolve people of student debt. wants to absolve people of student debt i think if it's possible to spend trillions of dollars in these never-ending wars it's also possible to absolve people of student debt i think getting people in debt for hundreds of thousands of dollars when you're fucking 17 is crazy your brain is when i was 17 i was a wild person i was barely a man i was i was crazy and to for 17 18 years old to have a person like me and give them saddled them down with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt that's going to follow them to their grave is crazy and that's a giant percentage of our population i don't know what it is but millions of people are saddled down with that kind of debt right it's too much money and it's crazy and it doesn't make any sense.

Education could be something that we make for free. I think we can use our tax money in better ways that benefit the community as a whole. And I think one of them is by giving people the access to education where it doesn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Right. And I think we can do that. That's what it's like in Canada. That is a left-wing perspective. It is i also like guns and i think you should have guns right and i think i'm a firm supporter of the second amendment because i know crazy people

and there's people that are bad people they're violent and they're broken and they want to hurt other people and i think you should be able to protect your family yeah and i think you should be able to protect the loved ones that you you have nearby you and then this is a this Is a real situation that comes up. We wish it didn't Everybody that has a gun hopes they go to their grave and never have to pull the trigger on a person. Yeah, but but but Guess what better to have it and not to need it than to need it and not to have it absolutely now We can pretend all day that the world's a perfect place and you're never gonna need a gun But you and I both know that's horseshit. Yeah. Right? So that's an opinion I

share on the right. I'm a firm believer in the second amendment. Yeah. And then you get the first amendment. I would think freedom of expression and freedom of speech is one of the most liberal core tenants that you could ever ascribe to that side like the left has always been pro first amendment the aclu literally started out defending fucking nazis right like saying that like you have to defend everyone's ability to express themselves even if their beliefs are abhorrent even if they're the the most disgusting beliefs in the world your ability to express yourself should be a part of being an american and the way we combat bad speech is not by silencing people it's by better speech and more speech and that's that's how we've

figured out the way human beings interact with each other from the jump from the beginning of this country. And so that right there is sort of like what we were talking about earlier when we were talking about how you had the confidence and autonomy with your show to do what you want to do and what you believe. Politically that's what you've also done too. You know you like this you like that you these are things that are on opposite ends why is why do these why do these issues just people get divided so clearly divided where it's like well what i can't want health care and a shotgun right come on like i kind of like like not having to worry about getting sick and also i want to go hunting i mean what's what's

the what's the fucking deal you know i can I can't. A hundred percent. Right. I couldn't agree with you more. And because you had the confidence and autonomy to be able to just say it because you didn't have all those people around with the clipboards and shit saying, well, we better not say that because we're on this channel or that channel. And this is our message here. That's a lot of it, right? It's also that I don't need a job. I don't need, I think one of the things, and you can speak to this, right? When you're working in Hollywood, you're always wanting to make sure that you're not saying anything that's going to exclude you from being hired. If you want to work in television, you must be liberal. You must. Or you keep your fucking mouth shut. If you want to get a job on television,

or you keep your fucking mouth shut. Yeah. If you want to get a job on television, like you don't really have many, you can't be a right-wing pundit on the side and also work on a sitcom. They don't want you, right? Right. Or can you be down the middle though?

Like you're down the middle, right? You're not a right-wing pundit. You're not a left-wing guy. Can you be down the middle? Maybe, but even then, they'll be upset at you. So even you say one thing that is contrary to what they believe and then you're in a left-wing guy can you can you can be down maybe but even then they'll be upset at you that is uh contrary to what they believe and then and then then you're in trouble you can be yeah you can be i mean it really depends on how how open-minded the people and how desperate the

people are that are hiring you like people get desperate they get they get panicky you know they feel like uh people get attacked for almost nothing and then they fire them you know like because they don't want blowback this is a that's a big part of the whole hollywood experience now like who was it wasn't natalie portman who was the actress that uh got in trouble because uh she played in witches they were mad at her because she played a witch with three fingers. Like, literally, who is it? It's a new movie. It's so dumb. She apologized.

She literally had to apologize. Why? Anne Hathaway, thank you. Why? Because? Because she played, it's in the book, the original book. Right. Described this witch.

Here it is. Anne Hathaway apologizes for a portrayal of limb difference. Anne Hathaway has issued an apology for the pain caused to people with limb differences by her character in HBO Max movie The Witches.

Based on the Roald Dahl adaptation, Hathaway portrays the evil Grand High Witch who has three fingers on each hand that resemble the congenital disorder, I don't know what that is, ectrodactyly. It's an impossible word to say. Ectrodactyly? Is that it, Jim? That word is impossible to say. They need to come up with an easier word for that.

It's crazy. People are looking for things to be offended by. Yeah. Listen. Anne Hathaway should have said, I played a witch. Yeah. That witch had three fingers.

Yeah. I mean, no offense to you. Yeah. No need to apologize. And Yeah. I mean, no offense to you. Yeah. No need to apologize. And if you want an apology from that, you're probably a fucking asshole. Yeah. And, you know, I'm sorry if you have three fingers. I mean, I'm sorry if you have a disease that resembles that.

There may be some benefits to that, too. I don't know what they would be, but... What would they be? So that was... We could probably try to come up with some funny benefits to that. That's her character Jamie? Yeah Listen I

I sort of understand What it's like When you have Something like that You know Because I have one testicle right So you know People will sometimes

Like make a joke about that And I'll go I'll feel like Oh Sorry Because you have one testicle Yeah because I had The testicular cancer right

And then someone will make a joke About ah you know And then I'll be like Oh geez you know Right It's not that fun Having you know Having surgery and having one of your testicles. Sorry, I'm not trying to bring a mood down here, Joe. But I'm just saying, so it's like what happens now is the internet sort of now,

one person with three fingers is obviously saddened by that. It might not even be real. It might be someone looks at her and goes, you know what, I think she should apologize for people that don't have all their fingers. And they get mad. It might be someone with five fingers that's saying this. Exactly.

Someone with five fingers assumes the three-fingered person is offended, tweets it, and then the people with the clipboards at the office have to react. We're going to get cancelled. There's a retraction statement from Anne Hathaway. Meanwhile, it's actually probably good for the movie.

I heard about it from my mom because my mom recommended it to my daughters. She's like, I think they would enjoy this movie. Now, if they'd just given her 17 fingers or like 10 fingers, no one's got that. So no one would have been offended. And that would have been weird anyways. Like a fucking garden rake.

Yeah. 10 fingers on each hand. No one's offended. There's no condition where you got 10 fingers on each hand. It's too few that people get upset. And now, are we going to get in trouble for sort of giggling about this? I don't know. What if you have three arms on each side? Would people who worship Shiva get upset. And now, are we going to get in trouble for sort of giggling about this? I don't know. What if you have three arms on each side?

Would people who worship Shiva get upset at you? Yeah, exactly. Which is very... I love the presence of all of this. Ganesh, remover of obstacles. Is that what... Yeah. What's up, Jamie?

I'm reading an article talking to someone that seems like they were on the upset side article Talking to someone That seems like they were On the upset side It says that It seems like they're more mad That the character Has this disability And they're

Also a villain Not just that they have A disability It's that they made them Bad Well isn't the character Like not a human It's a witch

Yeah They have fucked up teeth And they're bald And people are mad That they're bald also. Oh, me too. I forgot. I'm mad now.

I'm bald. The reason I brought up... I'm pissed. I don't like when people make fun of bald people, Tom. It's not right. Oh, really? It's rude. I am bald and I am mad.

Anne Hathaway's bald in that movie? Fuck her. You think it's funny being bald? Do you get mad about it? No. No. Not at all. You don't get mad?

No. I have a good shaped head. I'm super lucky. I don't have a flat back of my head. She's kind of hot. It's a bald chick. I dated a bald chick when I first moved to LA. She was a singer from Norway.

You got a good bald head, though. Thank you. Not everybody does. Not everybody does. No. There's a lot of people with weird heads. You got a good bald head. It's almost like... It's supposed to be bald. It's almost... If people with weird heads. You've got a good bald head. It's almost like...

It's supposed to be bald. It's almost... If you had a full head of hair, you'd almost be better off to shave it. Oh, I tell you right now... Did you ever think about when you had perfect... You know, I should just shave it. It looks better bald. Well, I do think that back when I was really freaking out that I was losing my hair, I

should have shaved my head early on, but I was really worried that I would never get work. Did you freak out when... Yeah, I got hair transplants. I used I was really worried that I would never get work. Did you freak out? Yeah, I got hair transplants. I used minoxidil. I did the whole thing. I have a stupid scar in the back of my head, like a big smile from hair transplants from the 90s. Because I was all of a sudden working, and I was like, oh, my God, my hair is falling out.

Fuck, what am I going to do? And I was thinking I got to do everything I can to keep working because all of a sudden i was making all this money i was never making before i was on television and um that tv hair yeah you need tv hair and then uh once i shaved my head i was like oh my god this is the best thing ever right like i don't have to ever go to a barber i just every couple days they go i hit it with the buzzers and then I'm good yeah you know you can shave that bitch we're gonna do but you kind of look good as like a wild crazy man with the the hair off I like it I like your hair like that you you can can get by with your hair all fucked up.

You look good as a guy who has a sock hat, who takes it off and steps into the restaurant on a cold day and sits near the fireplace with all fucked up hair. It's kind of good. It works. I like having the headphones on. I made a choice not to put them on earlier because I thought, oh, well, you had your cowboy hat on.

Yeah, but this is better. I like this. It locks you in. People always oh. Well, you had your cowboy hat on. Yeah, but this is. I like this. It locks you in. Like people always say, well, you're right across from someone. Why do you wear headphones? The reason why is that it locks you 100% in the conversation and you're really aware of talking over each other, which everyone has a tendency to do. I was conscious of it, but I've done enough of this over the years.

I knew to play the mic right, but I was missing this part of it, but I've done enough of this over the years. I knew to play the mic right, but I was missing this part of it. When people don't want to wear their headphones, I'm always like, hmm. I did want to wear them, but I also didn't want to take off my cowboy hat right away because we're in Austin. You've been wearing that around. I saw your videos. See the dust on it?

It's my dusty hat. It's real dust. You earned it. I got this at the Stetson factory about five years ago. It's a real dusty hat. It's real dust. You earned it. I got this at the Stetson factory about five years ago. And it's a real Texas hat. So I wanted to- It's a John B. Stetson. It's a real deal. I debated not wearing it when I came in because I thought, oh, I'll walk in with a frigging

cowboy hat on. But then I thought, shit, we're in Austin. I've got to honor your move to Austin and wear my frigging Stetson. God damn it. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers, my friend. Excuse my language

sorry but no 13 silver dollars by Coulter Coulter Wall talks about having a John B. Stetson

wakes up in the snow in a ditch I got my health my John B. Stetson got me a bottle for a baby's bluebird wine and I look

I left my stash somewhere down in Preston along with 13 silver dollars in my mind. Nice. You ever heard of Coulter Wall? I have not read it. We'll play some after the show. Oh, man. I wish...

What? He's Canadian. Wow. That's right. He's Canadian. Yeah. And Jamie turned me on to him. Jamie is my source, because I'm an old man and Jamie's a younger man.

Jamie turns me on to good music. Oh, Coulter'm an old man and Jamie's a younger man. Jamie turns me on to good music. Well, Coulter Waltz, it's a singer. Yeah. Yeah, it was beautiful poetry. I thought it was a poet or... Dude, he's a guy that... Like a Leonard Cohen who's also Canadian. He was 21 and he has this song called Cape McCannon and you listen to it, and you would swear to God, it's an 80-year-old man who's been drinking and smoking his whole life. It literally doesn't make any sense. Like, you hear the song,

and you're like, what the fuck? I wish we could play it. That's him. Oh, young guy, huh? Yeah. Oh, young as fuck. Oh, okay, okay. Want to hear something crazy?

I feel better about not having heard of him. I thought he was like some classic Canadian artist that had been around for 100 years. Oh, no, no as fuck. Oh, okay, okay. Want to hear something crazy? I feel better about not having heard of him. I thought he was like some classic Canadian artist that has been around for 100 years. Oh, no, no, no. How did that? But now I'm glad that you're showing me this. Want to hear how authentic this cat is? I love this. We tried to get him on the show.

Uh-huh. We contacted his agent. This is what the agent said. He works as a ranch hand in Texas over the summer. Damn. And when he's done, we'll get a hold of you. I bet he's from Calgary. He's from Alberta.

Alberta, yeah. Calgary, Alberta. Because that's where we got. Alberta, Canada is like the Texas of Canada, right? We've got this Calgary stampede. And so I was right. He's a cowboy, a Canadian cowboy. Shout out to my friend John and Jen.

My friends John and Jen live up there. Yeah, Alberta. That's cool. I love Alberta. That's cool. I love Alberta. It's great. Saskatchewan. There he is. Yeah.

Oh, wow. He's from Swift Current. You know what? That's cool. I'm from Swift Current, Saskatchewan. He's only 25 now. My grandparents met in Swift Current, Saskatchewan on my father's side. Really?

It's a tiny little place. How'd they meet? I don't know that story. I think everybody knew everybody in swift current back in the early it was probably 20 people living there at the time but this guy comes down to texas in the summer and he works as a ranch hand yeah summer and then when they're like he's not going to be done anytime soon this is like literally like you try to get in touch with them for like publicity We were blowing them up. I blew them up on Instagram.

When Donald Trump asked me to host a podcast with him and Joe Biden, I put it on my Instagram with his tweet and Colter Wall's lyrics for The Devil Wears a Suit and Tie. I put a quote from one of his lyrics, and I just threw it up there. Oh, it was his lyric. Left it right that, yeah. Just so people would listen to the song. So when an up-and-coming artist, is he an up-and-coming

artist? Oh, yeah. When an up-and-coming artist says they can't come on the Joe Rogan Experience, the biggest podcast in all of the world, that must just make you want him to come on this show so much more.

It must make you like him so much more. I appreciate him. I love his music, but I love authenticity. So if that's who he is... He's literally a ranch hand. He doesn't have time. He's tending to the cattle.

Look, whenever he wants to, he can come here. This is like, yeah, come on. Have some more, baby. Let's do it. Like Dave Chappelle came on yesterday. Dave Chappelle and I have been friends since 1990. Dave was here yesterday?

Yeah. Wow. I've never met Dave Chappelle. But he's always like, Joe, eventually I'm going to come on your show. Eventually. Was that the first time he was on? Yeah. And he came on because Don L was here.

And he just dropped in and hung out for, what was it, like an hour? Yeah. And then we're eventually, I shouldn't probably say this on the show, but I'm gonna anyway because we've been drinking. Dave and I are going to do a residence here. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to do a bunch of shows here.

Oh, really? Yeah. Could I do a spot? Could I come and do five minutes or something? Fuck yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Fuck yeah.

I would love to do that. Fuck yeah. I've never met Dave. He's a great guy. You'd love him. I'd love to meet him. something? Fuck yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Fuck yeah. I would love to do that. Fuck yeah. I've never met Dave. He's a great guy. You'd love him. I would love to meet him. He's super genuine. Yeah.

He's as genuine as it gets. He's right there. There's no bullshit with him. He's right there. He's right there with you. But that's the same thing. I'm like, whenever you're ready, I'm here. You know, like the Kanye West thing is like, it was almost the opposite.

I was like, I like him too much. I i was like i like him too much i don't want to fuck him up i don't want him to like he was like when the first time he wanted to come on the podcast it was he was uh recently unmedicated like he had done this concert where he said he supported donald trump and everybody booed him and the next thing you know he's in a mental institution remember that yeah yeah yeah yeah right he was on that's concert yeah and then Donald Trump and everybody booed him and the next thing you know he's in a mental institution. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right.

He was on, that's concert. Yeah. There's a video of him at his big stadium concert. And then a while after that he said he wanted to, he wanted to, he wanted to talk about things but nobody wanted to do it or people were afraid to have him on. And I said, I'd be willing, I put it on Twitter, I'd be afraid to have him on and i said i'd be willing i put on twitter i'd be willing to have you on and we could talk about whatever you want for as long as you want to and then it became this giant thing then him and i had a conversation on the phone and i

really enjoyed talking to him but my hesitation was purely that i didn't want to fuck him over because i do think he's i, for lack of a better term, I think he's a special person. I think he's a, there's a rare diamond, right? Like it's hard to make a Kanye West. It's like, there's a few people that I know like that. Like Joey Diaz.

It's hard to make a Joey Diaz. You don't get a lot of Joey Diazes in this life. You get one or two ever. And when I see a person like Kanye and I see how sensitive he is and I see all these people that are trying to chop him down all the time and I made fun of his fucking sneakers. I mean, Jamie gave me a pair of Yeezys and I was making fun of him, but I make fun of everything. I make fun of me too.

But I was like, I don't want this guy to have a bad time. So I resisted having him on really yeah even though i knew it'd be a big show like ratings wise i'm like i don't want this guy to say something where people get mad at him and i would rather him just making music and i i really got into his music like pretty pretty deep after i mean I always loved his shit like gold diggers are classic owes a lot of his shit all day he's got some classic shit right but after he did after he and I had that conversation I really got into it and I was like man I don't want anything I don't want this to be negative and then I started getting messages from his people and even some of his people

actually got in contact with my wife and like we don't want kanye to say anything crazy and having it ruin him and and i was like let's just leave it alone is your wife involved with producing the show zero how'd they get in contact she knows somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody it's like a multi-chain step yeah it wasn't even but it was like i was like all right let's just leave it alone yeah i'm just gonna enjoy his music, let's just leave it alone. Yeah. I'm just going to enjoy his music. I'm like, just let Kanye be Kanye. And then when he was running for president, and then he reached out to me a bunch, and he's like, and I'm like, all right, let's just do it.

And then he and I had a conversation on the phone, and he sounded like super stable and creative. Well, I think you accomplished what you set out to do because I thought he was – I felt that I saw a side of him that I've never seen because he really was able to have the time and space to say what was on his mind. He seemed to be in a very good place on your show. Like he was – I've seen him on TMZ and stuff, kind of like scattered, but he was great. And I'm a huge fan because – I think he knows that I respect him, too. Yeah, yeah. So he felt comfortable that I really do.

Sometimes you see he's got a little bit of a wall up. Right, right, right, right. He's like waiting for this. Attack. Yeah. Right. He knew there's no attack coming from me. So I think that helped.

He knows I love his music. And he knows I think he's a unique human. He's a unique human. There's not a lot of people. You love hip hop, right? I love hip hophop right i love hip-hop because i know i saw you uh tweeted something about gangstar recently love gangstar dude man i didn't know joel like gangstar oh my god yeah because you know when i was a kid i was

a rapper and i i made rap music and stuff and i made beats i still make beats but and i like just doing it but a gangstar man like that was like in the guru, step in the arena. Sure. Mass appeal. I was so bummed out when Guru died. Yeah. That was a bummer. But I'm a big fan of DJ Premier. Yeah, yeah. I'm a big fan of a lot of that East Coast, early hip hop.

Yeah. There's so much good shit from that. Because Premier, his beats are like that boom bap hip hop. Well, there's a grittiness to East Coast early hip hop, like Cool G Rap. Yeah, Streets of New York. Yeah, giant fan. The Streets of New York. I still, occasionally, I'll listen to that song, Cock Blockin'.

Cool G Rap, Cock Blockin'. Yeah. Some great fucking songs, man. Streets of New York, man. That's a great song. I love East Coast hip hop. Yeah. Some great fucking songs, man. Streets of New York, man. That's a great song. I love East Coast hip hop. Tribe Called Quest. Yeah.

Low End Theory is my favorite album of all time. If anyone ever asks me what's my favorite album of all time, I say the Low End Theory, Tribe Called Quest. If I had to pick one rapper that I'm... Well, I don't know. Biggie is pretty top on the list, but also Nas. There's something about Nas' lyrics. Nas has the best lyrics. Nas' lyrics, I'll go back over his lyrics. Like that Rewind song where he does the whole story backwards. Like, come on, man. He's so good. He's so creative.

And his lyrics are, his dad was a jazz musician. Okay. And I think that's true. Jazz or blues. His dad was a musician. Yeah. Like a professional, well-respected musician. And Nas sort of, I think, sort of embodied that ethos and put it into hip hop,

you know? Cause like one thing I remember from Moe better blues, you remember that movie? Yeah. The movie where I remember being like real, uh, when Denzel Washington was like, it wouldn't even fuck his girlfriend cause he had to practice.

I was like, wow, that's dedication. Right. Right. And I remember like, wow, that's dedication. Right, right. And I remember thinking, the dedication that a blues musician has or a jazz musician has

where they're just constantly practicing their instrument is so much different than a stand-up. Or the same. Yeah. Or very similar, too. I sometimes think stand-up, I mean... But so much of us are fuck-ups sort of like jazz right yeah but fuck-ups in that we don't practice like they do they'll practice for hours and

hours every day you're getting up on stage every night man that's practicing man yeah but you should practice before you get up on stage most comics don't yeah well how do you do sitting in front of the mirror writing writing oh okay writing going over your notes yeah yeah yeah but i mean i'm just i'm saying you know yeah i feel like because i i feel like i mean what do i know but like you know you know it's it's the space between the notes right that's what they talk about with jazz right the space between the notes you had a covid test that's the same thing yeah we both did bro that's the same thing with stand-up it's the space between the jokes even it's a space between the ideas like stand-up is um the thing that requires a lack of discipline sometimes like stand-up is

not just it's like jazz and uh anytime you're playing a musical instrument you must be proficient wait a minute what is that marijuana no but i mean what comes from uh dono rawlings that's some good shit man that's good shit right that's good for now i'm going to monitor that hit Good call Stand-up requires almost a lack of discipline To be Wild enough to say

Some of the shit that we said But also discipline To go over your notes Discipline to look at All these ideas and try to structure them In a way that's going to resonate with the audience. And then also discipline to think about the set and what went wrong, what went right,

and try to reevaluate. So the words in stand-up and the ideas, that's where your fingers are on the piano, right? That's the technical side. And then the spaces between the words and the rhythm and the timing with the audience that's where yeah also your head right yeah like where your head's at because i you know like i mean again like i've had a you know i've i've i've enjoyed making music over the years i wouldn't say that I'm that good at it, but I definitely love doing it. And you can pull up my video from 1992 of when I was a kid in Canada, I made a rap album. And to me, I love this. It was sort of like the technology. I got a sampler. I worked all summer as a mowing

lawn so I could buy a sampler, a used sampler. And then I started sampling records, listening to Gangstar and like, I want to try to do that, you know? And so, but, you know, man, like, yeah, there, this is, that's me in the red jacket when I was 18 years old. And, you know, this was our album. That's 1990, 1991. That's me in the yellow jacket. Look how skinny I am. One 18th of a megapixel camera. Yeah, yeah.

Well, it's a bad upload. We actually shot it. It's a shot on film, actually. That was shot on 16 millimeter film on a Steadicam. There we go. Yeah. There are me in the grocery store. Are you friends with these guys anymore?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Greg Campbell is the other MC. He's a great rapper. What's he doing now? He is in Ottawa, and he's actually killing it as a real estate agent up there, and he's doing a great job. He really is killing it. I mean, he's Mr. Big Stuff, he called himself after he's he's he's

incredible rapper actually does he call himself mr big stuff when he's selling houses you should man it's a good idea show up with a clock on your neck he still has i'd like you to meet greg someday okay he's still got like an incredible energy about him and i feel like in a lot of ways like i like i learned a lot from him we were kids you know but we met in high school we were skateboarders and uh he was the other skateboard of my school he's a couple years younger than me like he's like and when we were like when i was 17 and he was 15 we went to new york and made a made a goofy record so wow and he's got there there we are that's greg on the right and that's's my... Jordy Ferguson, who I have in Talk Talk Talk.

He was our DJ in the middle. But Greg on the right in the glasses. Where are you? Hilarious. That's me on the left. Cut the fuck out of here. That's not you. See, it says...

Let me see your face. Look at me. Barely you. See, it says Bones on my hat. That's because that's from Palo Peralta Skateboards. I just... But I was Bones.

MC Bones, because I was skinny. Bones, rocking the microphone. I'm like a king on the throne. Only thing is I stand alone. Know what I'm saying, Joe? I do understand. I get it. This was our pizza commercial we did. We did a pizza, we did a local pizza commercial. You can play that. That's amazing.

Yeah, and it was super fun. Is the pizza company still around, the pizza store? It was for a grocery store chain called Lobe. Look at you. You're a baby. You can play this video. Can you play with the music? We rapped in it.

Yeah, check this out. Dude, you did a pizza commercial as a rapper. Look at me, 19. Did that kid really need glasses or was that a prop? I don't think that was me. That kid right there. Where? The other one.

Right there with the glasses. Oh, Greg. No, no. Greg needed glasses. Yeah. Okay. Those were real glasses. Yeah.

I really distrust people with fake glasses. We keep it real, man. We keep it real. Organized, man. We keep it real. If you found someone that was wearing fake glasses, they were in glasses, but they weren't prescription. Oh, yeah.

Wouldn't you get a little uneasy? They're trying to be like John Lennon or something. I don't know why I would get uneasy. Yeah. Why? I require glasses now for reading. Oh, do you really? That started three or four years ago.

And I know how it started. How old are you? I am, guess. 30. No. 12. I'm bad at this. I'm 49.

Wow, you look great, dude. No. You do. That's very nice of you. Everyone online tells me I look old. Look how fucking old he looks now. Stop reading comments. Look how fucking old he looks now.

Listen, if I was 20, I would say that shit too this guy was old as fuck but as an actual person that's near your age yeah i think you look great yeah thank you you look great too thank you very much um what what how did we get to this what were we talking about right before that well who was the guy with the glasses greg had glasses on oh and so so i i i have glasses now i wore glasses only for reading my phone and i know how i know how i got uh i know why my glasses went uh my eyes went bad why and i saw i actually said this in the other day uh in in your show you said make it bigger for my old ass eyes you said right i and i was like i know how that's what happened to me yeah you got old i thought you're gonna tell me about something important,

like chemical exposure or something. I know how it went bad. No. I just got old. No, I do have a thing. Oh, okay. It's a real thing. It's what it is.

When you wake up in the morning and it's still dark, don't look at your phone until you've turned the lights on. And that fixes everything? No, that's when you damage your eyes. Looking at your phone in the dark. I felt them break. I felt my eyes break. Maybe they're lifting weights. Maybe your eyes are lifting weights. No, it's when you damage your eyes. Looking at your phone in the dark. I felt them break. I felt my eyes break. Maybe they're lifting weights.

Maybe your eyes are lifting weights. No, it's in the dark. The bright light of the dark. Pussy ass eyes that are scared of matches. I think it's when you look at your phone in the dark is what makes it go. Imagine if you looked at difficult... The eyes are so much different than a lot of parts of your body. Because if you lift difficult things with your legs, you get bigger legs.

But if you look at too much shit with your eyes, they break. Yeah. Yes. Right? You don't think so? Dude, I'm a doctor, basically. That's true. That's what I'm saying.

Like legitimate. No, first of all, they're going to break no matter what, right? And part of it is apparently. Your legs break down eventually as you get older. They're already breaking down yeah but i think it's also like uh there's a thing about looking at something that's always a certain distance from you on a regular basis over and over and over again i don't think we're supposed to do that that's what i'm saying yeah i think especially in the dark but when you wake up in the morning it's

dark and there's a bright thing it it i believe it uh accentuates the speed at which it's dark and there's a bright thing. I believe it accentuates the speed at which it's not good for your eyes because it's that your eyes are exposed. In photography, you're exposed for the darkness. Your irises are at a certain point and then all of a sudden you hit it with this bright light. That's what broke. I felt it break. I remember

the day it went out of focus. I was in the morning. I was looking at my phone. Okay. I don't like to be overly optimistic about some shit that i barely understand but i think that super smart dudes are really on the ball when it comes to like vision and uh therapies for vision deterioration i had a guy andrew huberman who works on that specifically and he was talking about they're going to be able to uh put injections into people's eyes and then I'm absolutely butchering this but then do something with virtual reality that actually improves the way your your vision is I remember saying oh I don't

like the way so they can worded but they can they can bring our without the laser eye surgery I haven't had that ah scientists have reversed age-related blindness by deliberately infecting the eyes with a virus. This is exactly what Huberman was talking about. A small, and this is from 2017, and preliminary clinical trial has found that injecting a common cold-like virus in the eyes of age-related macular degeneration patients, one of the leading causes of blindness in the US, it can halt and even reverse the progression of the disease. So it could reverse. Wow.

So these people are, they're way smarter than you and I, Tom. They're different kind of humans. Yeah. They're out there trying to fix problems with cancer and age and telomere length and mental deterioration and all the things that plague all of us they're out there working on it while we're talking shit we're just here talking shit and you're bringing attention to it joe yeah yeah but yeah absolutely there it's it's uh it's but i mean like seriously like yeah that's that's that would be i would get that my friend i would get that i would get that injection because i hate i can't stand that's blurry when i look at my phone it's so annoying is it blurry when you look at your phone oh yeah for sure oh really yeah okay good i feel better

yeah like if i look at my phone like i can read it right i heard you say that on the phone it's not perfect i heard you say that on the show the other day And I actually felt like Dude if I put glasses on it looks great I was like oh good Do I look sexy? Yes I have glasses like I should go get my glasses out of the van I can see everything Can you put a camera out by the van? I'll show you the van

My van's here I'm having fun This is first of all Thank you Joe for having me My pleasure brother And thank you for legitimately inspiring me. That's not bullshit. Your show was one of the first things that I ever did where I thought, oh, my God, you could do this on your own.

When I went to your house and you had these wires going through your living room and then you had a server room and me and Red Band were like, holy shit, dude. What's up, Red Band? Part of what got me interested in doing a podcast was going to your spot you know thank you for the inspiration my friend because i appreciate it we're i think we're all in this together man but you you no doubt without a you know without any question you helped me a lot because you gave me a thought that i didn't really have before that some guy could be so ahead of the curve that i mean you were doing this in like 2000 and like what four what were you doing what you you have given me the inspiration

of saying oh shit it actually could work it works it does work joe fucking did it yeah but i got the idea a lot of it was from you and the rest of it was from opie and anthony you know i think you're you're you're inspiring so many people because the thing is, that's the hardest part about being creative or being an artist or whatever you want to call it, a comedian, a writer, a musician, all these things, right?

You dream something. So the idea of not quitting, right? That's like really the thing because like everybody kind of sort of second guesses himself and says, oh, maybe I shouldn't just be doing this, you know. I'm mentally ill, Tom Green. I don't let things go. Yeah. No, it's beautiful though, man, because it's great to see.

I mean, here we are in, first of all, the UFO studio, which I love. And I wanted to ask you some questions about it. Okay. What is the inspiration for this incredible— Chinese restaurants. No disrespect. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Love Chinese restaurants.

Oh, wow. I actually didn't even notice that until now. I'm joking. I hope people don't get mad at me for that. No, they won't. I love Chinese restaurants. Oh, wow. I actually didn't even notice that until now. I'm joking. I hope people don't get mad at me for that. No, they won't. I love Chinese restaurants. It does feel like that. It's not negative.

No, it's great. No, honestly. It's not that? This was the whole idea behind it. Matt Alvarez, who's the guy who built it, and I, we were thinking, like, what to do with this space? There was a circular space like this. The shape of the space was already there. And I was like, that would be kind of cool to have a podcast in there.

And then we found out that they have these sound panels that look like this, and you can make them in different designs. You can choose what designs you get. And I'm like, oh, those would be kind of dope as, like, things on the wall. And we just put it together. And he did it all within five or six weeks of the time we decided we were going to move here. So it happened so quick. So what he's done, you know, with all this design and everything is we just ran with it, you know.

It wasn't anything that was thought out. People are like, God, it's weird in there. Like, yeah, I get it. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, I don't know. I like it. But this is not the end. This is what I needed to get in here.

Think of this as a spaceship that takes us from the L.A. podcast studio to the Texas podcast studio. The Texas podcast studio is under construction currently. So when all that's – this is our spaceship. Wait, wait. This is not the Texas podcast studio? We're in a spaceship. We've traveled from one podcast studio through this spaceship into the next podcast studio. So this is not the studio?

This is not the ultimate destination, Tom Green. Oh, we're not in the studio? No. Oh. This is the spaceship leading us from one studio to the next studio. I thought I was in the studio. So there's a new studio coming.

New studio coming. When's that going to be? When Odin blesses us with his praise. We're going to have to wait. No one's bringing back Odin. Imagine if you wanted to bring back Greek gods. You're like, let's just go back to the classics, guys. Thor, Athena, come on.

Let me ask you a question. If this is the spaceship in the new studio, is it going to be an enclosed environment? This is kind of really interesting to me. Do you like it better? Yes. Really? Now that I'm sitting here, is it going to be in closed environment like this this is kind of really interesting to me do you like it better yes really now that I'm sitting here

before I might have said you know well you could you know he's still fucking Rogan he could have as much space as he wants

but he could put himself in a big giant thing coliseum kind of place with background deep deep background you could have like but the thing is like no because I always think about depth in photography.

I think about depth, but then when you, as far as the experience, when you're in an intimate conversation with one person for an hour, you're sitting there going, oh, we're going to talk to each other for an hour. It's kind of nice feeling like there's not people back far in the distance, you know?

It's kind of, I think it creates an interesting environment. Like just acoustically, it's really cool. Acoustically, it's nice. That's what I have to say about that. We are where there's less space, which makes us somehow or another more intimate with the same amount of distance between each other. So is it going to be an enclosed space,

or is it going to be a larger room? It's going to be a split the difference. It's going to split the difference, I think, between this one and the old one, but just be more normal, I think. Less distracting. This is awesome. Thank you mean i like it too but i don't know if it's necessarily perfect it's just fun it's fun to be able to make like i'm not a big designer but it's fun to just do different

shit it'd be fun to have a green screen behind me and be in space every day like different galaxies floating behind me like we could do a lot of shit so what is that that you think that it is that it is in people where we drive ourselves to kind of create this vision we have in our mind you know like you it's it's it's like you have a vision in your mind this is not even the end of the vision this is this is this is the beginning of the new vision right this is this is not even the. I thought it was in the studio. It's a spaceship. This is just a spaceship.

This is the first time anyone's hearing this because it's the first time I've ever said it because it's the first time I thought of it. There is no other studio. This is the next studio that's taking us to the next studio. There is going to be another studio. This really is a spaceship. If you could look at it, that would be a metaphor, right?

Is that a metaphor technically now and listen i won't i'm not going to ask any more questions about the new studio because i wanted to do well it's just different man i want to do i want to do a bunch of different things but i do want to do some uh where it's a room that's a hundred percent green screen and i want to figure figure out what we have to do to be in space. I want to do a conversation in space. Yeah. So one of the rooms I want to do, I want to do a full circular green screen. Wait, wait, wait. Can you start that again?

Yeah. You want to do an interview in space? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do a room where, say, you and i tom green joe rogan yeah sitting at a bar table yeah a circular bar table you want to have like you and i would share just hang in talking to each other okay just two microphones and bar like very intimate behind us all green screen in space okay so when you see the podcast it's just us in space so that's what i i love that is that really what where it's going

the problem would be you wouldn't see that it's in space you just see green yeah right would that be weird we can do that well what i'm saying we do that right i think i told you about we could do what you're saying just it's not green screen no no no no no it's actually there no i think i just i think i thought i projected around you i think i think I thought of it. It's like projected around you. I think I thought of an idea. Is that better? Yeah. Yeah, it's better? It's not cheaper, but it's better. Oh.

Just paint this room green. You could do that. Just spray paint this room green. Yeah, you could do that. So you could have it like green, so you can do that, but also you have the intimacy of the clothes. Like Anthony Cumia from Opie and Anthony, his whole thing is green screen, right? He does like green screen.

You didn't go with me? He has a setup where if you go to his channel, go to see if there's a clip of him. It looks like he's in front of a window that overlooks this spectacular. It's just a green screen. Wow. It's indoors. Yeah. What's up, Anthony?

How's it going? Those guys from Opie and Anthony andony how's it going those guys from opie and anthony when and jim norton when those guys would have you on the podcast or or their radio show rather i say podcast because it really was the first podcast yeah i think opie and anthony was the first podcast yeah because it was sort of structureless like rich boss they split up they did split up unfortunate they needed a mediator there is. So that's all green screen behind him. Maybe you think they'll ever get back together? Fuck, it would be amazing.

Listen, sometimes people, when they work together for long periods of time, they just get on each other's nerves. They hate each other. But what they had. Every band. They hate each other 100%. What they had when those guys were together, when everything was rocking and rolling,

I mean, it was a great fucking show. It was a great show for comics because we would come in and they taught me how to be just... They taught me how to just hang. Like on a radio show where you didn't have to think, like, oh my God,

this is like this really structured program. There was no structure. It wasri shafir and bill burr and patrice o'neill and rich voss and it was fucking chaos it was so fun it was so ridiculous and we would look forward to it like i remember i'd smoke a joint and then drink coffee or we would take pot lollipops or something and we would be on our way to opiate anthony like ari and i and it or we would take pot lollipops or something and we would be on our way to opiate anthony like ari and i and it would be you know fucking six o'clock in the morning we're exhausted did a show last night but we're so pumped to get there because we knew maybe colin quinn was going to come by all these different comics are going to be there and it was

just a hang man it was just a hang yeah everybody was just laughing and and goofing on each other and it was you know sometimes you'd have four or five comics in the room and there's so many people that were obviously in america and the world who remember where they were when at that time listening they were all the listeners right listening to that you know there's there were some moments that were the most one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life happen on that show, where they had an eggnog drinking contest, and this dude,

Paul from Winnockie, Pat, Pat from Winnockie, Pat from Winnockie is a dude who won their eggnog drinking contest and then vomited in another man's mouth who was leaning over a garbage can, surrounded by comics, Bill Burr, Ari Shaffir, me, Opie, Anthony, a bunch of staff, threw up in this dude's mouth. The dude, Pat Duffy, he leaned over a garbage can

and opened his mouth like this. Look at this. So he's leaning over a garbage can and opened his mouth like this look at this so he's leaning over this garbage he's got his neck over this and this other guy Pat who's behind him he's at the end of the line he's probably done how many shots do you think you did Jamie do you remember I had a night like this once at the Rivoli Theatre in Toronto actually. But he keeps downing these shots of eggnog and he also has diabetes so he really he has to throw it up like you really can't keep it in his body because it's so much sugar it might kill him. This is a crazy scene man.

What year is this? Oh my god wait where? Early 2000s. Look at this! Where are you? I don't know. I'm in there somewhere. Oh, my. Oh, okay. Okay. That might be me filming right there. Is that me?

I think that is me. Okay. There we go. That's me on the mic filming. You know, it was just the 90s were weird. Dude, look at. Everybody has a flip phone. I have a flip phone.

And watch him throw up in this dude's mouth. Ready? Look at that. Okay. Hello. Okay. Wow. That's one of the craziest things whoa how much oh it keeps going dude it's cartoonish it keeps going what was what was he eating that day it was a lot of nog bro you're not listening look look look oh whoa i'm seeing this i think he's got more he's got more i get he's got another one it's like the meaning of life the final scene of the meaning of life i think he's got more. He's got more. He's got another one of them. It's like the meaning of life, the final scene of the meaning of life. I think he's got one more.

Look, preposterous, preposterous amounts of eggnog in this guy's mouth. And look, it's the Dexter scene. This is Dexter. Look at the ground. It's covered in plastic. Everyone knew there was going to be throw up. This is a radio show. Do you understand how crazy this is?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The video only came from cell phones. There was no show on video. I know. This is how bonkers radio was back then. And so those guys gave a chance to guys like Ari and me and Joey Diaz and all those guys. Yeah. Who, out of that group,

that were doing those radio shows early in the morning. And you would do that show, and you would go, why can't we do this? And that was a seed, too. So between you and them. And then the fact that Adam Carolla went right from radio, he went to doing his own podcast, and a bunch of other people did the same thing. I was like, okay. He went to doing his own podcast And a bunch of other people did the same thing

I was like okay It's a It's a I mean look Charlie just got up by the way That's a beautiful thing First of all Joe thank you And what's up to Opie and Anthony

Salute And Charlie just woke up So let me just get Charlie. Charlie, what are you doing? Maybe you can come up here. Say hi. This is never going to work. People always want to bring dogs on the podcast.

You watch. My dog was on the podcast for like five seconds. Charlie is chill. Check it out. I'm sure she's chill. Watch. Definitely won't interfere with the conversation at all. Ignore her for a second.

Okay. Check it out. What am I ignoring? Talk about out. What am I ignoring? Talk about Marshall. What am I ignoring? Marshall. Marshall May Rogan. Yeah, that's his name.

Why are you saying ignore? Well, just because you thought she was going to interrupt the conversation. Just joking. Just joking. She's adorable. She won't.

She won't. She's pretty good. She's a sweet little dog. Isn't she interesting? She's very sweet. She's very't she interesting? She's very sweet. Energy. Well, she's very calm, which means she's loved. Like, look at the way she's embracing you.

That's a loved dog. I do love her. She can tell. Look how she leans into you, man. Yeah. When Marshall, when you pet him, he leans into your leg. Yeah. Like, it's the sweetest thing.

It's like he's trying to stay in contact with you. Yeah. So, I mean, I've had two Siberian Huskies for 15 years before Charlie. But this is new relationship. You're seven months old, Charlie? You're seven months old? You know what's fucked up, man? It's like you could look at things almost in two different ways.

You could be a reductionist person. You could say, like, well, you know, the weird thing about dogs is it's really what mankind has done to wolves like they've taken them and subjugated them and then fucking genetically mutated them to be some thing that sits in your lap that relies on you to stay alive like man but yeah but you can't fix that and dogs are real and they're real right now and you could have a dog like charlie yeah well i i think about that because like we were out right there and the coyotes are out there and like dude like i really am living out in the middle of the woods it's really kind of crazy like like for real like that's actually what we've been doing for the last six weeks and it's

ridiculous but it's really fun and i'm loving it and charlie's loving it dude charlie's adorable we go for a walk in the woods every day she's so sweet and uh she's having a good time she gets crazy she gets a little crazy she gets her zoomies oh yeah i love when they do that she goes nuts and especially at her age right it can get frustrating well you gotta run with her or do something with her throw a ball to her yeah no. And she'll instigate all that stuff. So, yeah, I do want to worry about her. I worry about her. I'm sure you love her.

We're out in the middle of nowhere. So she's got a GPS tracker on her collar. Yeah. I put tape over my phone number on the dog tag before I came to the show because my personal cell phone number is on there you don't want to get them dick pics I just didn't want it up on the thing so I thought about that

if you did have it up how many dick pics do you think you'd get let's take the tape off for a second I'll give them my cell phone number I love dogs but it is crazy what we did to the wolf it's crazy did we do it or did they they saw an opportunity

they saw a campfire they saw a bunch of fresh cooked meat delicious they go in be cute this is the same argument that predatory women use when they steal men's money and divorce them like when a hot lady marries an old billionaire.

Yeah. Same sort of logic. Well. Do we really do it to them? Or do they do it to themselves? Did they come close to the campfire? Yeah, well. Did they want the love?

I think that's what it is with dogs, though. They just evolved from that, right? I think they for sure did for a while. They were close to us. And then once we started capturing them and keeping them in our houses and shit, the ones that survived are the ones that are the most obedient, the ones that were the most compliant, the ones that didn't give us a hard time, the ones that just wanted love.

I think about that sometimes when I'm hanging out with my dog. He's the sweetest thing in the world. I love him to death like we have these little hug sessions in the morning like every morning when i wake up i go hello sir hello sir he's like oh he's like so excited to see you he's such a sweetheart of a dog but i'm like he couldn't survive on his own like he's he's this fluffy thing that's amazing he's full of love like a love sponge but that's not an animal that survives as an animal it's he's essentially a carnivore i'm feeding him food i have to feed him yeah but as long as i do that he'll stay this sort of sweet compliant well-fed thing yeah but like wild dogs kill people some some lady got killed by a wild dog

Like a week ago There was some article I saw I think it was a lady Or maybe it was an old man But someone got killed Do you remember it Jamie? Somebody got killed by a wild dog Today

Florida man killed by a pack of wild dogs Florida man killed by a pack of wild dogs. Florida man killed by pack of wild dogs. Today. Today. Why is it always in Florida these things happen? Because it's the best spot on earth. It's Aliens Amusement Park. Aliens of Creed.

Florida man. I wonder if it's in the air. Yeah. Imagine if that's what they prove. Like you go to Florida. Yeah, get in there, buddy. I don't want to like. Imagine if you go. I don't want to like. Imagine if you go.

I don't want to make a fool of myself here. They prove that if you go to Florida, like your IQ drops 3%. And your inability to say no to meth goes up by 1,000%. You can drink too much sometimes. But I mean, Joe, it's an honor to be here having whiskey with you, man. It's an honor to have you, brother. For real, legitimately. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

You are one of the reasons why I do this. So thank you very much. I mean... When you were doing that show out of your house and you had me over as a guest and I remember sitting at your table going, look at what Tom Green did. This is amazing.

You made your own thing. You made your own show. And you were doing a call-in talk show with a desk listen I appreciate a joke you don't have to say it that's it's just it's true it's so cool man just being here and just you know this whiskey is pretty damn really good like really good pretty damn good especially when you're drunk this is a still Austin straight bourbon whiskey when you're drunk. This is still Austin. Straight bourbon whiskey. When you're drunk, it's like it's not clear what actually is good. What was the first drink you had when you were a kid?

Like when you're a kid. Well, I remember. When do you start drinking? When do you start drinking? How old were you when you started drinking? High school kids. High school, yeah. Yeah, I remember when I first got really fucked up on Jack Daniels to the point where i couldn't smell jack daniels for like years i have that experience with wild turkey wild turkey and makers mark i have that yeah i threw up in a cab when i was like 15 years old

yeah oh i remember that. Same 15. Listen, Wild Turkey was my first bourbon experience and it did not end well. Yeah, Wild Turkey will fuck you up, right? That stuff is seriously potent, isn't it? Isn't it like a higher percentage of alcohol? It's like a moonshine. What happened was my friend Phil and I, who was my best friend growing up, we went on a camping trip one time. This is what kids in Canada do when they're in their 20s.

When they're not skateboarding, hey, let's go paddle. Take a walk-a-bat. We brought a canoe and we said, let's paddle out to that island. We'll bring some beer. We'll bring some whiskey. We'll light a fire. We'll hang out and it'll be fun anyways we went out i flipped the canoe on the way the beer sunk to the bottom of the lake all we had was our bottle of wild turkey so we

didn't have the beer it was not a good a good thing but damn dude um yeah so canadian life is a different life that's why people are nicer up there you guys have more weather you have to deal with more shit. You have to, like, band together more. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And it's kind of this,

the winter's kind of kept you down a little bit as a country. Like, there's a certain reality that Canada has that the rest of North America doesn't have. It's like, in the winter, it can get real crazy. Oh, yeah. And so like what, I mean you were saying ice fishing, right?

Yeah. You did ice fishing. I didn't do ice fishing but like that, it was just walking to school was going ice fishing. You know? Yeah. Like you're four, and by the way, you know it was the 70s, right? I was born in 1971. So I was walking to school as a five-year-old in 1976.

Oh, my God. That's crazy. In the winter with a hat on by myself. Wolves are out there. Yeah. Jesus Christ, Tom Green. What if you got eaten by a wolf? Yeah.

And look, Charlie just went to sleep, went right back to sleep. Isn't she such a cute little... She's a sweetie. She's definitely a sweetie pie she's so loved you could tell the way she leans into you that's a loved dog and so it's a unique situation because of the pandemic and on the fact that i've got you know we're all isolating and i've got nothing else to do other than go at my van with this new dog and she was rescued by a rescue from they're called they're called thrive in san diego

and this is what they do they find dogs in the caribbean and uh and mexico or this is she was born in the bahamas and they bring them over so that's dope and i just uh i just you know well you got a good one man it's kind of like it's kind of weird because like i just kind of got super lucky because it just sort of happened like i i knew i needed a dog because this has been a weird year i got i miss having dogs you know i didn't have a dog it's also cool that she's young enough so that you can teach her the dogs like sometimes people adopt dogs and they're grown and when you adopt a dog and it's grown it's a more difficult road to kind of train them and get them so she was three and a half months when i got two one shit she had actually been rescued by someone else and then they couldn't keep her and i got her three and a half

months so but uh yeah she's she's a very good very good puppy and uh i've had marshall since he was like six weeks old yeah so he and how old is we're tight he he's uh almost four oh four okay he's the sweetest and i've never had of a golden retriever before yeah just a different thing like when i see him it's just we just have this little love session so me and him a man dog love session yeah a char charlie has a instagram. Look at her pictures. Charlie the pot cake dog. Charlie is called a pot cake dog. What's that?

So she's rescued from the Bahamas. In the Bahamas, they call the street dogs that are running around, the strays, they call them pot cake dogs because they go to the local people, cook them,

they feed them the burnt rice from the – and that's why they're called pot cake dogs. So that's what Charlie is. She's a pot cake dog and she's – Steve-O has a dog that has a similar type story, right? Yes. Doesn't he?

Yes, he does. Yeah, absolutely. Dogs hit the lottery, son. Yeah. What's up, Steve-O? Shout out to Steve-O. Yeah. Yeah, man.

Dogs are – it's a really interesting thing because part of me knows that this is a wolf that was manipulated. Its ancestors are manipulated into this thing. Yeah. But part of me is like, yeah, but there's nothing I can do about that right now. Like, he's alive right now. So he's my snuggle buddy. Yeah.

Like, hello, buddy. Hello, buddy. And he puts his paws up in the air and lays on his back. Right. And I rub his tummy. I love him. But it is strange. This is not a judgment.

This is just an observation. It's so strange that people did this to wolves. They took a wolf and turned it into a French bulldog. A French bulldog came from a wolf. Right, right. A wolf. Right. Well, I mean, but, I mean,

there is no justification for that. Well, the wolves cooperated. Yeah. Think about it. Oh, that's a tough one. Well, I don't know. It was probably a lot of fun for them, I'm sure. I don't think we need to... I would

think they probably had a lot of fun doing that. Maybe. Why would they not have enjoyed that? Well, they needed food, probably. I mean, no, being... What I'm saying is, I'm trying to come up with a bit, like, you're being introduced. We'd like you to... Hey, German shepherd, we'd like you to meet this

Irish wolfhound. Oh, no, no, I'm not interested in that. No, of course they were interested in that. It was probably... Okay, now we're getting weird. Okay. Well, I think, like, German Shepherds are tough dogs. Yeah.

You know, a Belgian Malinois is a dog that's, like, specifically designed to attack human beings. Like, you ever seen those meat missiles? Those little small, little... They look like German Shepherds, but with dark evil, almost demonic eyes. They will fuck you up, man. Those Belgian Malinois. But that is a dog that's specifically bred just to attack people. But most dogs are bred to be really nice to people.

So you're saying it's unethical that they set animals up with each other like that? Not saying that. It's manipulative. No. Here's what I'm saying. Okay. If they didn't do it, those fucking things would be eating us. Right.

This is what people have to understand. Wolves will fucking eat you. All right? I'm not saying we should kill the wolves. I love wolves. I love the... I had two Siberian huskies for 15 years, so I basically lived with two wolves.

I have a wolf on my phone. Oh, my gosh. That's a wolf. Wow, that is... That's my... Wow. Hey, can you pull up a picture of Annie and Steve? I'm fascinated by wolves.

Check out for Annie and Steve. I had two dogs that looked like that for 15 years living. But, well, they were... Beautiful animal. I'm fascinated by wolves. me and steve i had two dogs that looked like that for 15 years living like but well they beautiful animal i'm fascinated by wolves i don't know it's not that i don't like well but the reality of wolves is they would fucking eat you the reason why we like dogs is because we've gotten dogs into a position where we control them and they're not free yeah if dogs were free they would kill you like that person that died today right who's the person that died today 65 year old man got attacked and murdered by stray dogs where Where? Today? Where was it? Florida.

In America? More Florida. Another Florida issue. That's more than one Florida, right? Was that the same Florida he was talking about before? Yeah. That's the same story? Yeah.

So we already brought this up. That's how drunk we are. Listen. There's Annie and Steve. Those were my dogs for 15 years. Steve on the left in this photo, and Annie on the right. And that's in L.A. That's up in Burbank.

Cool dogs. Yeah, and they were good girls. They were good girls. Dogs are great if you feed them. Yeah. You ever have a feral cat? I've had cats, but I'm not sure I've had a feral cat. I had a feral cat once.

His name was Jack Dempsey, like the boxer. What do you mean? Feral, wild. You found it and then you adopted it? Yeah, well, my friend Lainey found it as a kitten and she gave it to me. She captured a bunch of her and her boyfriend, trapped them underneath this house. Okay, and then they raised it. I think my parents found a cat at the side of the road.

Lucky. Shout out to Lucky. Shout out to Lucky. Lucky is no longer here. Rest in peace, Lucky. What happened to Lucky. Shout out to Lucky. Lucky is no longer here. Rest in peace, Lucky. What happened to Lucky? Well, she lived 19 years. She wasn't that lucky.

That's lucky. 19 years is very lucky. Good name. She might have been 18 or something. That's fucking old for a cat. And they found her at the side of the road. My mother. Oh, she got hit?

My mother married. No, no. Oh, she found her when she was a baby. Yeah. But they were dry so my parents mary jane green and richard joe i want to give a shout out and to my brother joe okay uh they are you know uh live my they found lucky but first of all i love you guys great to see you my uh my uh mom and dad and my brother are a strong support system in my life.

And, you know, I love them. So they're excited that I'm here. I'm excited that they're excited. Yeah, they are. I am. But, you know, it's cool, you know. But here's a funny story so I talked to my mom on the phone okay well I just in the van in the van as I run over Charlie's head with the

rolling no I you talk to your mom on the phone every day every day like like I got the phone up on and I'm driving I Like, I got the phone up and I'm driving. I'm like, hey, my... Not every day, but when, like, if I'm driving... Usually when I'm driving and I'm trying to find another spot. But, you know, it's kind of fun. I have my friends on the... This is what's cool about...

The phone is on the speaker. I can call my friends. I'm driving around. I'm talking, like, hey, where should I go tonight? You know, like, and you go look for these places. But my mom, Mary Jane Green. Mary Jane Green, by the way. That's my mother's name.

I believe you. Mary Jane Green. Isn't that a great name? It's a great name. Yeah. So, Mary Jane. He's saying it like it's preposterous. Like, there's no way.

Are you listening to me? Mary Jane Green. Yeah, she didn't even really, I don't think, make the connection to the weed reference of it until like later you know like did she partake i don't think my mom was a big mary jane green uh partaker actually but it's funny that her name is mary jane green and she wasn't a big mary jane green partaker it's almost sad yeah yeah. Right? Like if she was a pothead, she'd be legendary. Yeah, she was not a pothead. Is she still around? My mom.

Your mom's still around? Yeah, my mom is still around. It's not too late. Yeah, that's true. I think we envision a second career for your mom. I could see her being open to it. I want to see your mom with one of them giant LED pot flag chains hanging from her neck, like one of the flashing green could it could happen it could

happen imagine it could happen my mom flips the script my mom's really cool like she'll she she it could happen i don't think that i don't think she's why wouldn't you start a marijuana company with your mom's name uh we've we i mean i we we've talked about it, but I don't know. We've talked about it. Mary Jane Green? Yeah. Salute. Mary Jane Green.

Yeah. Come on. We've talked about it. That shit's perfect. Yeah. Why wouldn't you do it? I don't really know how to do that. You need to contact lawyer people that understand how to make that a reality.

I literally don't know how to. You need to get some lawyer folk. I don't know how to make that a reality. I literally don't know how to. You need to get some lawyer folk. I don't know how to start a marijuana company. Well, you need some venture capital folk and some lawyer folk that know how to navigate the legality. Yeah. Because it's legal in states, but not in all of them. California's legal, though, where you allegedly live.

And so, Texas, not legal. Not legal. So then, yeah. Exactly. live and so texas not legal not legal so then yeah exactly so uh but california legal yeah yeah it's almost worth the taxes it's like one way or another no place is perfect but it's obviously eventually going to be legal everywhere within it really should be like the only? Two years and two or three years or something? The only reason why it's not is because we have a distorted idea of what it is.

And it's the quicker it would be made legal, the quicker people would be able to do legitimate research on it and find out why there are these adverse reactions that some people have. Because that's the only thing that bothers me. Reefer madness. Yeah, but that some people have.

Because that's the only thing that bothers me. Reefer madness. Yeah, but that's not real. But there are certain people that have real issues with pot that other people don't. Oh, okay. Oh, really? Yeah, schizophrenia is one of them. Oh, okay. There's a guy, right?

He's an author who came on this. He's a guy, right, he's an author who came on this. He's a journalist, and he came on this podcast to debate Mike Hart, who is a Canadian doctor that prescribes weed. He does a lot of work with medical marijuana patients. And Alex Berenson wrote this book on the dangers of marijuana. And it resonates. It sounds very real.

And we've all known people. I've known three or four people that tell stories about having some experience when they're on edibles. And all their friends say they snapped. And they barely recovered after that. Some people are fragile with their chemical... I don't mean to say fragile. Do you remember the first time you got high? Vulnerable in their chemical makeup. Do you remember the first time you got high and realized –

Not really the first time, but I remember the first time as an adult because I really didn't do it for a long time until I was about 30, and then I started getting high again. But I only got high between 30 and whenever I first started doing it, like a handful of times like four or five times my whole life until i was 30 i'd never smoked maybe a little more i was not much i never smoked marijuana in high school i was i was i was a straight edge kid i drank quite a bit actually to be honest standard yeah that's a good kid yeah out there drinking drank a lot but uh but uh but then uh yeah so

later in life though you know it says yeah i discovered it and it was fine i just i think it's uh very important that kids brains develop before they get too much of anything too much of alcohol too much of uh marijuana too much of anything when you're a kid that's what's fucked up about this like i don't want to tell anybody what to do but when you're a kid and this is like again i said i got drunk for the first time i was like 15 or 16 like really bad threw up in a car and a cab on the way home like i'm i just don't think if you i think there's something that's going on that you can't think of while it's happening with the development of your brain when you're 15 years old there's a bunch of

shit going on that you really don't understand and i think in some way it's up to the people that have gone through it to protect you from the potential negative aspects of all your bad decision making. Absolutely. And that's one of them with drinking and pot and drugs. If you want to tell the kids, look, I know. I don't want to tell you what you can and can't do because I don't want you to develop this need to rebel against me. But you're doing something to your brain before it's done cooking.

Yeah. And you're also doing something that's incredibly difficult for people to manage that are mature, well-developed adults. Give well-developed adults Adderall. A lot of them are not very good at managing that. A lot of them. Okay. They get real wacky with Adderall.

Okay. They start taking it all the time. That's well adjusted, educated, with responsibility adults, and they can get hooked on Adderall. What the fuck do you think is going to happen to a 15-year-old that starts drinking or doing coke or smoking pot? Your brain's growing. Yeah, I agree. I'm not even done. I think drinking is a fun act of rebelliousness as a teenager, but maybe that's probably where it should end. I think, in a sense, you'd be better off if you could mentor your children to understand what drinking is

and mentor them in a way where you teach them about the dangers of over-drinking. You could do it in a way where you don't even have to get the kids drunk you just let the kids know listen I am a person you are a person I am older than you I'm not better than you I've just lived longer

I am just trying to tell you for your own safety and good that you need to learn how to do this because if you just start drinking with no supervision when you're 21 years old or 18 in some countries, you're going to fuck yourself up. Yeah. We would both be way better off, me not having to worry about you, and you with understanding the consequences of your actions,

if we sat down and talked about how to drink. It's a complex thing. It's a complex thing it's a complex there's a lot going on it's not just like you're out in the world you're you're you're inebriated yeah tell yeah well it's absolutely well you know it's also like physically you got to know like what's the dose you're a 90 pound woman you can't drink 18 drinks yeah like your body's not going to be able to handle it like a 400 pound man has a much larger gap than a person like you or I. Like they got a lot more room, a lot more wiggle room for how much alcohol they consume.

And you got to start slow. I definitely figured it out on my own. Like, which is part of the adventure of life, you know, like having a few bad nights. But yeah, I probably would have been better off to have had a little warning. For sure. If someone just sat you down and said, Tom, Tom, Tom, look at me. One drink, good. But here's the problem with two drinks and three drinks and four drinks if you have them too quickly.

All of a sudden, you don't know what's good and what's bad. All of a sudden, you don't know what's drunk and what's sober. You don't know what's the right move anymore because you're fucked up. And when you're fucked up, you don't know what to do. So you got to avoid getting fucked up. You got to get to the point where you're having a good time, a little chatty, having fun, social lubricant. Right. And don't... Because if you're, you know, I mean, most people just get lucky and nothing that bad happens.

But, you know, you lose control when you're, so yeah, absolutely. You can certainly think about it that way. Yeah, yeah. But also you can think about it just like. So something bad could happen to anybody, though. For sure. So you need to be aware. Like, yeah, you got to be careful.

For sure. You can't be going running around just like. Yeah. You don't know what you're doing. Drinking whiskey all night, you know. And talking shit on a podcast. Something bad's going to happen. Well, you don't know what's going on anymore.

Cheers to that, though. All of a sudden, you're a fucking whiskey robot. You know, just. When you're a 15-year-old kid, the first time you get drunk, you have no experience to draw from. Like, you don't have like a lot of these under your belt like oh been there before like the first time you ever get drunk i don't i wish i could really clearly remember i can i can i can remember mine yeah tell me so i i can remember so when i was uh in ottawa canada what's up ottawa um you know, I would go, we would go in high school to these things called pubs.

Wait, why say things called pubs? Like you speak in some strange language. It wasn't a bar. It wasn't an actual pub. What was it? It was like somebody would rent out a community center and they'd be selling you could go buy beer but you're 15. You're underage.

They called them pubs. All the kids went there. It was a loophole or was it illegal? It was illegal. It was pubs. It was Ottawa, Canada. We'd go down to Vanier. What's up Vanier? Vanier is part of town in Canada. We'd go down to Vanier. What's up, Vanier?

Vanier is part of town in Ottawa. We'd go down there, and all the kids from all the high schools would go down there, and you could buy a beer for a dollar or something like that. When you're saying this, you know what I see in my head? Yeah. Snow. Oh, it was so cold. I see cold weather and slush and wet boots. We would take the OC Transpo, Ottawa Carlton Transpo bus

down through the snow and to get to this part of town, Vanier, to go first of all, I want to say, Joe, first of all, I love you, man. I love you, too. I love you, man.

Thank you for having me over here. I want to shout out Vanier because like... Shout out to Vanier. Yeah, it's so cool. Like everybody in Ottawa knows, like Vanier is like this great place. I grew up basically very close to there.

And, you know, we would... You know, it's cool. Ottawa. Yeah. No, but, no, it's cold as hell up there, man. It's really cold. Yeah, I envision slushy boots. Oh, yeah.

You're telling that story. I was thinking, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, Google this. Everyone's cold. Fingers are numb. Wait, Google this. Check this out. Google this.

Jamie, can I ask you to show a photo of something? Is that cool? Cougar boots. Cougar boots. Cougar boots. You don't mean cougar like the 40-year-old mom trying to get some young dick? Not talking about that one. You sure?

No, I'm talking about cougar boots. They're made out of cougars? No. So this is my experience as a kid growing up in Canada, in the freezing Canada. This is what was on my feet. That one, the brown one, the light brown one, that one. Oh, it's comfy. Yeah, they were comfy.

And they're like, it's not leather. They're like vinyl boots. And that was, so when I was in the- Is this an ad? Are you doing a cougar Boots ad? Does not exist anymore. Oh. No, no.

That's like... Maybe that's your next move. That's like Atari 2600 style. That's like 1992 or something. That seems like it could come back. We can get retro right now with like Olivia Newton-John. Let's get physical type ankle puffy things. I never saw the white ones before.

There's some things you can bring back today. I think people are ripe. They're ready for headbands. Joe, man. Joe, you can bring... People are ready for some weird shit. I'm running with a headband on. I bet you do.

I need to get that sweat off. I bet you do. I bet you do. Okay, can I show you something cool about weird Canadian stuff that I think you'll appreciate? You don't have to ask. Just tell me. Okay. Check out the NABU network.

NABU? NABU, yeah. Check that out. What is it? So in the 80s, we had the internet in Ottawa before anybody. You had the internet in the 80s? Yeah. Really?

It wasn't the internet. It was called the NABU network. What is it? Oh, yeah. There's Doug Henning. The magician Doug Henning did a commercial for it. Well, what is it? So it was a network that was run through the cable television system, but it was the internet, basically.

And everybody could talk to each other. Yeah. Switch on to smart TV. It was way earlier than it was anything else. You talked to people in a text message through a keyboard? Yeah, but they had video games on there too. You had arcade quality. You had Dig Dug.

You had like all these like, Dig Dug's the one that comes to mind. But you had Track and Field, you know, the one where you got to just shake the fucking. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah, and all that.

And so Naboo, there it is. See, there's the logo there. The blue logo right down there. That's it. That's it. That's it. That was like Ottawa Rewind. Check it out. Ah, it. That's it. That's it. That was like Ottawa Rewind. Check it out.

Ah, Coke-fueled. The untold story of Ottawa's Coke-fueled 1980s. I didn't know Ottawa was so edgy with the Coke-fueled 80s. Oh, my God. That's the Coke-fueled 1980s video game industry. That's what I'm saying, though. That's what I'm saying. Wait, but hold on.

I didn't partake in that part of it, but I mean, I wish I had, but it sounds like it was pretty fun if somebody writes a story about this podcast they're going to say marijuana and alcohol fueled blank that's what they do this is rude

they worked hard to make these video games don't blame it on coke you can't stay on coke you assholes you can't say it's all Coke-fueled. You know what it's like if you're on Coke all day long? I don't, but... I don't either. I'm asking you.

I was hoping you had an answer. I don't actually don't... It's funny because I'm not a drug... I don't do a lot of drugs. That guy looks like he's on Coke. Look at that picture. I mean, I would try drugs if it was allowed to do drugs, but... That guy shakes your hand.

You want to go to the gym. Wait, who is that? No, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing, Joe. It was pretty cool. It was interesting. It was like you had a box that you would plug into the cable.

It sounds cool. The cable TV. So my dad, Richard Green, Dick Green. Mary Jane Green and Dick Green hanging out. Dick and Mary Jane. Do you know how crazy that is? You're not even a real person, are you? You're like a CIA plant.

Dick? No one has the parents Dick and Mary Jane Green. That's right. What games did you play? Did you play Pong? The first might be the best. I remember playing Pong for the first might be the best i remember playing pong for the first time to this day pong hangs in there by the way can i say something about my dad

can i say something can i say something about my dad for a second you certainly can my dad dick green was a tank commander okay captain canadian army all right and won the nato like artillery like uh armored corps like uh best shot you know like like like competition in germany against everybody americans germans everybody firing a tank like this like when you're a kid growing up, your dad's like, oh yeah, what did you do? Oh, I was a tank captain, right? Right. And they won, he won. My dad actually did this. Richard Green won this tank shooting competition for NATO NATO for Canada, right? Beat all the other. Yeah. Pretty sure.

Pretty sure. I mean, I want to give you the example. Again, I see snow. I see wet boots. We all have coffee in our hands. We're listening to this story. It's true. I want you to Google it.

I believe you. Tom, I believe you. Sometimes people shoot better than other people do, and then they win awards. I lived in Petawawa cfb petawawa canadian forces based petawawa was where i grew up this thing that your dad won can you explain like how it worked do you what was yeah they would go out and with the tanks and they would shoot at targets that were at different ranges and they would they would and your dad was just a wizard at it he won this is a plaque at the house won the nato it was like 1971 or something or no before 68 or something

my father went to vietnam my father went to vietnam my father was in vietnam with the canadian uh army uh uh as peacekeepers does he have uh is your dad still alive yes he is does he have problems hearing a little bit yeah yeah a little bit but he's i'm just firing off those guns man yeah boom yeah boom yeah you know um my dad has a hearing aids actually yeah yeah it took a while before people realized the uh negative impact of firearms yeah my father was hearing is for sure yeah all my friends though that grew up with guns yeah like that are my age that they didn't understand hearing protection right then absolutely or ignored it rock and roll stars yeah you know I mean how many rock stars have like serious ear problems absolutely in that crazy like the thing you love is destroying your ears.

We just didn't know. You got another thing coming. We just didn't know. I have, okay, so. Can you imagine? I have earplugs in my life. Okay? In my life, earplugs are part of my life.

Okay, what percentage of your life are worn earplugs on? Jamie. Earplugs are part of my life okay what percentage of your life a worn earplugs on me earplugs earplugs earplugs are part of my life man you will now because you're aware i have over the ear headphones for sure and i have internal ear orange but i'm getting that it's like people like your dad and people that grew up before they really understood. I've never even thought about that, actually, until now that you mentioned that. It's a big problem. Big problem with rock stars. Lead singer of ACDC recently had a step down, right?

Isn't that still correct? I think that's correct. Let's see if we can. He has a head loss. It's a real problem for rock stars, man. When rock stars get old, they develop real problems with their ears. You've got to think about being like

fucking Gene Simmons. Thousands and thousands and thousands of concerts. He's actually back. He has hearing aids now. Oh, wow. They fixed his ears. Who? Put up the story? Brian Johnson. He's the lead singer of ACDC's son. hearing aids now. Oh, wow. They fixed his ears. Who? Put up the story? Who did?

Brian Johnson. He's the lead singer of ACDC's son. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, they put a new album out, right? Yes. Overcame hearing issues and returned to ACDC.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. So they gave him some earpieces. Well, that's good news. Yeah. Because that's a bummer, man. Imagine, like,

you're a fucking rock star and the one thing you can't do is go out there and rock. Imagine you're a fucking rock star and the one thing you can't do is go out there and rock. And not only that, you're the lead singer of ACDC. I heard that. That's a wild ass band. Yeah. Probably one of the greatest rock and roll bands ever, right? Sure, top 20. I mean, when you think about, if you're right on a piece of paper, rock and roll, and then under it, you put the ACDC logo.

Yeah. Oh, that's right. That's right. Rolling Stones. Back in Black. God damn, that's a good song. The problem is you've heard it so many times. You don't ever get to hear it with fresh ears.

But if you can go and listen to Back in Black the first time, I remember the first time I heard it, I guess I was in high school, somewhere around then. I mean, when did Back in Black come out? What year? Take a guess. 83? No, it must have been, oh oh was it not 79 or 80 or fucking wildly guess i don't know probably early i didn't discover until i was in high school early

80s or late 70 80 okay oh 80 let's put the difference we're both kind of in the middle yeah it's that music for the time when i first heard it i was like holy shit you were like holy shit right it had so much impact when you listen to songs like even from song like i couldn't imagine what it'd been like to hear hendrix the first time right like uh that's a very famous uh because you're talking about at that point you're talking about like um pure genius well they hadn't even thought about the idea of being aggressive yet with music right well he was pure genius yeah pure like this weird before it was all let's be nice with the music all of a sudden it's like aggressive i'm angry well it was also anger was there anger and well no i don't know if you would even say angry big all the old

angry just energetic i don't know if you need to say – Beethoven was angry. All the old – Angry. Just energetic. I don't know if you need to say angry. Like I think what Hendrix did was – I don't know. You could kind of call some of it like aggressive, but more I would say energetic. It's like his energy was just different. Like he would play the sounds. Like people have a way of making the guitar sound it's so interesting it's almost like they're using their voice or something they're using like there's a sound that you can make

with a guitar that other folks can't make so yeah well i mean yeah so in my opinion some people are like are we cheering again yeah cheers in my opinion in my opinion some people are like kind of like in the moment more, and they're not thinking. It's like what we've talked about tonight with your show and your incredible success in the show. Jimi Hendrix had that same kind of energy where he didn't want to play it the way everybody was supposed to be playing the guitar.

He just wanted to fucking put his energy into it, you know? Yeah, and he played the way he wanted to. I don't know how to play guitar at all. But someone told me, Jamie, did he play guitar backwards or something? Like he had the other hand? He was left-handed, yeah. Yeah, but he played it with his right hand i think i'm not sure how one of the others they made a special guitar so you

played it opposite but you played it weird yeah he's just a genius he just figured it out in a way but you there's certain people that come along where you listen to their shit like you listen to voodoo child and you're like oh my god like you listen to him play that song and you go oh my god this guy's in some place that no guitarist has ever been and he's like inventing like um you know rock and roll in a lot of ways you know like those guitar solos that we hear in every song as we were growing up was all like people being inspired by that you know fuck yeah yeah fuck yeah there's always gonna be a guy that's like at the head of the pack and he's that guy he he's still to this day is that guy that's the craziest thing about hendrix if you stop and think

about hendrix today like there's some brilliant guitarists there's no doubt but when people today think about amazing rock and roll guitar you think jimmy hendrix in 2020 you just do it doesn't discredit all the great guitarists that are alive today when you think about the guitar you think about jimmy hendrix yeah voodoo child when it first came out must have been must have blown people's minds yeah what was it like 69 when did voodoo child slight return come out he did two versions he did a voodoo child that was like a bluesy slow version it's really cool and spooky it came out in 68 68 have you ever heard the statement that like it's i've heard it multiple times but more specifically with jimmy hendrix that like he existed in a world where he never could hear jimmy hendrix play guitar oh my god he was jimmy hendrix you know whoa that's so deep

of course wait wait did someone say that or did i've heard it said like i've heard it i think a couple other times about other people but it sticks out with him he got to well i bet he did get to see jimmy hend guitar. That's the thing. That guy was on so much shit. That's probably how he got to see Jimi Hendrix play guitar. Probably got to see him from some LSD dimension, many feet away from his carbon-based body. But let's not forget, of course, I mean, for me, because I'm, you know, like 49, am I?

You tell me. How old are you now, John? 53. Are you really? Yes. On my way to death. Halfway there, if I'm lucky. They're coming out with new weird shit that they're doing to people's bodies that

I have a feeling they're going to be able to extend life far beyond what we think of as like the threshold. We just have to survive past the threshold. There was something someone sent me today. A study that showed that hyperbaric chambers

with oxygen therapy. Did you see that? You saw it. I figured you'd see it. Hyper you see that? I saw it last night. Hypobaric chambers. I think it's hypobaric, right? With oxygen. Lowered people's biological age by 20 years. Wait, wait, wait. 90 days, 5 days a week.

90 minutes of treatment. He's talking. Hold on. Say what you said, Jamie. It's like for 90 days, they did five days a week, 90 minutes of treatment. And within that time period, I think a lot of these people were 65 and older, had however they measure with telomeres and all that, 20% or 25 years. Someone in there. I think it was 20 years younger.

It's 20%. 20%. And 25 years the representatives oh yeah 20% and 25 years earlier okay 20% in 25 25 years so these people they can you know what telomeres are it's like it's an indication of your biological age or at least one of the markers and the idea is that as the telomeres shrink and shorten as you get older they shorten and if you can figure out a way to lengthen your telomeres and actually lengthen your life i i am way too stupid to know if that's exactly true but i do know that it's something that people like uh dr david sinclair and there's a lot of like people that really concentrate on um science and its effect on telomeres and measuring telomeres, they think it's a critical part of aging and anti-aging.

So if something can come along like this where you can get into a hyperbaric chamber and for 90 days drop your biological age 20 years, we got ourselves a short tank business, bitch. Let's show up, all of us dressed in fur coats. Who wants to live forever? Come on, boys. Is it possible? I don't know.

I'm a moron. I would imagine those smart people. I know you say that on the show, and I don't like when you say that. You should like it. I'm being honest. I'm a moron. No, you're not. In comparison to the people that lengthen telomeres, I'm a moron.

There's levels to this game. There's levels to this. That's just true. Listen to me, I'm a moron. There's levels to this game. Don't say that. There's levels to this. That's just true. Listen to me. I know what you're saying. I'm an honest person. I'm an honest person. I am definitely a moron.

You've got to trust me. I'm just not dumber than everybody. I appreciate that you're being humble, but you are not a moron. No, I'm telling you, I'm a moron. I've met people that are really, really fucking smart. It's like, you know how people, like, you know there's something that you know how to do, something that... You've met people that are really smart.

Yeah, I know people. You're smarter than them. No, I know people that are actually smart. You're smarter than them. No, I'm not. Yeah. You're smarter than most people. Dude, you're so wrong.

And it's been frustrating for you, probably. You gotta trust me. No. Because you're smarter than most people. You're smart. You're very, very, very, very, very hyper-intuitive. No, I'm crazy. I'm trying to tell you.

There's smart people and there's crazy people. Yeah's crazy people crazy people don't have as many fears and they get more shit done because they're not worried about the consequences smart people figure out how to fix things all right those are the smart people all right isn't there's like something you do that some someone doesn't really do and they think they're they're good at it and you get a little annoyed like say maybe there's a sport that you've done for a long time someone just picks it up and they think they can kick ass at it or maybe like uh yeah i don't know not really i'm not that good at anything so you should think about that with intelligence too because there's people that barely people like myself i, barely work at being smarter. Barely work at being smarter. Barely. And to compare them to people whose entire lives are based on intellectual discipline is rude.

And there's a difference. Because you're talking to all these incredible people that literally are really thinking about really complex ideas at a level that is kind of not really easy to explain to the average person. So you can't put that in a box and send it out there. Well, that's where Neil deGrasse Tyson is so important, right? Because he's a guy who's really good at taking those insanely complex ideas about the cosmos and explaining them in a way that you can grasp if you have regular, you know, just a regular person. High school education. You can grasp what he's saying.

You're like, oh. So he'll resonate with people 15 to 50 to 55,000 years old. Right. He bridges that. I follow him on Twitter. I love him. I've never met him. I don't know.

What do you think is the oldest that people will ever figure out How to make people I was joking about 55,000 But do you think there's ever going to be a time Where people can live a thousand years Oh yeah for sure Within our lifetime you think Would you want to Imagine how bored you'd be 800 years in

Dealing with 20 year olds I'm bored Imagine if you had a 20 year old son You're 800 And he's fucking crazy I was going to say I'm bored now but I'm bored. I'm bored. Imagine if you had a 20-year-old son, you're 800. You know what? You're right. He's fucking crazy. I was going to say I'm bored now, but I'm not bored now because I'm sitting here with you. Cheers.

I'm not bored now. I'm not bored either. I think you could tell me that like 1,000 years, yeah, I mean, eventually we might run out of stuff to talk about. This is my thought. I mean, I don't know if I want to live to be 1,000. After 1,000 years, it's like, okay, we've talked about the absurdity of this or that enough times. Maybe people figure it out after 1,000 years.

Michelle Wolf was telling me yesterday that I didn't know. Was it FDR? Wait, wait, wait. Served three terms? Wait, Michelle Wolf yesterday? Yeah. Oh. Was it FDR?

She is so hilarious. Love her. I love her. That's so cool. She's awesome. So she was in Austin yesterday? Yeah, she was in Austin with Chappelle. Oh, wow.

That's so cool. I think she said it was FDR. Served three terms. Yes. Yeah, I was like, I did not know that. So she was saying that's one of the reasons why he got, he was able to get so much shit done. Like, that makes sense. That's interesting.

That was, he served three terms. He actually won four elections, though. He won four elections. At the very top of his Wikipedia, it says, a member of the Democratic Party, he won a record four presidential elections. Whoa, what does that mean? So you can do one and then come back a couple years later

and do another one? How many years were they back then? Because three doesn't make sense if it's 10 years. Because I think he, she was saying he served for 10 years. So I believe what happened, I'm trying to remember this. This is part of the history thing. I think he was the vice president for one president. So he stepped in and finished out one,

then won the next election and then won another one there's so few people so few people that can hold that office and not make you worry that they got it i'll go oh he's got it that guy's got it there's a few guys in their office like say whatever you want about bill clinton when When Bill Clinton was the goddamn president of the United States of America, you might have thought he's doing creepy shit and running around getting his dick sucked and madness and maybe even a few people got offed. I didn't think about any of that back then.

That's all come up in recent years. Back then, we weren't even thinking about that shit. I felt like he had it. He's so smart. Bill Clinton, he's so smart bill clinton is so he's so clever it's nice when you feel like okay somebody's looking after everything well so we can go like you know tell jokes and do podcasts and it's nice when you feel like someone's smarter than you yeah has the wheel uh-huh that's the problem yeah the people that have the wheel are not smarter than

you you're like fuck well you know have the wheel are not smarter than you. You're like, fuck! Well, you know, sometimes they are smarter than you, and sometimes they're not. And it goes back and forth. And it's... You just got accepted? It's pretty bizarre when you get to our age and you realize, oh, my gosh,

they're just like those... You know, like when you talked about you go to the show, and there's people with the clipboards around and everybody's around. There's a lot of that. That's how the world runs. Well, there's a lot of people that want to be leaders that maybe probably shouldn't be, but in their head they want to be. It's just the world's run the same way.

So it's a bunch of people sitting around trying to like, you know, I don't know. What are you going to do? You know, I'm trying to ignore it, Joe. I honestly am. I'm trying to ignore it. I don't know. What are you going to do? I'm trying to ignore it, Joe. I honestly am. I'm trying to ignore it. And I'll say this. Yeah, no, let me say this for real.

I like how you just re-braced yourself. Changed your posture. For real, because what I'm doing right now is like... You're shirt over and everything. No, yeah, for sure. For sure. Okay. No, I mean like – you know, we just have to – you know, I'm traveling around in my van with my dog who's – Chopper. Chopper who's gone to sleep.

What a great dog, right? She's awesome. She's gone to sleep and we're having a great time. And yeah, you just have to uh you know i just really i'm trying to be positive you know i'm trying to be positive the you there's there's there's been so much negativity in our world in the last few years and everybody you know everybody's sort of been told oh i gotta think this way or they gotta think this way and there's this anger towards each other and i just think i think you know this this election more people voted than ever voted you know that yeah yeah it's crazy right yeah i'm hoping that also sets a trend in motion where more people are running for office that maybe could have a better idea of what people want

than what they're experiencing right now I think you are a big part of this show that's not helpful I really do though I really. I think you are a big part of this. And I... Only for people who listen, and that's not a big part of the world. No, I think it is a big part, and I think it's an important part, because I think that, you know, listen, like, let's just be good to each other. Let's all be positive and be good to each other. I know, it sounds so cliche, right? But it really is the way to each other. Let's all be positive and be good to each other. I know, it sounds so cliche, right?

But it really is the way to do it. You don't have to be embarrassed about being good to your fellow man and woman. But we're all worried that other people

aren't going to be good to us back. And so we're like ready to be shitty. Yeah, don't worry about that. That's where MDMA comes in. So what I want to do

is a long-term trial of MDMA across the United States of America where everybody just gets a little taste so that imagine if you ran on that platform I've never done MDMA for everybody I've never done MDMA is that what is it's um it's is that uh that's ecstasy ecstasy yeah yeah I've never done ecstasy it's pretty potent stuff but it's yeah it's also not great for your brain

like after I did it and then the next day I was like, oh, my God, I'm so dumb. My brain was dried out. Really? It felt like a sponge that someone just rang dry. But then after a couple of days it goes away, and you're like, oh, let's try that again. I didn't know you really take 5-HTP. There's a thing you could take, a nutrient, 5-HTP, and actually it boosts your body's ability to – I've never done ecstasy by the way

ever? I'm telling you right now on the record I've never done it. What if you did it alone in the woods? I am telling you right now I would do it but I'm not saying I wouldn't do it I'm not passing judgment

but I've never done it. Actually that's true that's a fact I've never done ecstasy and I would do ecstasy But I've never done it Actually that's true that's a fact I've never done ecstasy And I would do ecstasy but I've never done it Sounds like you're asking for ecstasy If I was a cop I'd want to arrest you right now Like this motherfucker is asking for people to give him ecstasy No I am not

Do you got any? I know people will have it Yeah no I'm not asking for it. No, I'm not. It's a tricky drug. You don't want to be happy for no reason. But it is true that I've never done it, by the way. That's true.

I think I heard that. Yeah. That's what I heard. You got any? I heard you never did it. No, no. But I can imagine it would be probably a lot of fun, though. I could imagine it would be.

It's supposed to be very therapeutic for soldiers. Yeah. Soldiers returning with PTSD, apparently MDMA is very, very good for them in overcoming some of the situations they experienced. Can I say something about the Canadian military? Okay, you going to put your hat on? Okay. I'm going to move the hat.

I'm getting excited. You don't have to put it on. So, check this out, Joe. These boots. I made for walking. Can I show you this? Yes. Is that okay?

Yeah. Check this out. See these boots? I don't think Jamie can see them, though. Can you see them? Okay. Where's your... Yeah, check that out.

Yeah, it's a boot. Seriously, can you get a shot of that? This is going to be cool. Check this out. Check this out. These, it's a boot. Seriously, can you get a shot of that? This is going to be cool. Check this out. Check this out. These are Canadian Army boots. Okay? Mm-hmm.

I wore these. You know, I got them when I went to Afghanistan and did a... Yeah, I went and did a tour with the Canadian Army. Dad. My dad was in the Canadian Army. My dad, Canadian Army. And, you know, check it out, man. Like, these are good boots.

I'll tell you right now. Are you telling me about your boots? Is this what we've come to? Canadian Army boots. Maybe we should wrap this up. Yeah, they're boots, right? What do they have? Like rubber, leather, a lot of shit like that?

Yeah, they're comfortable. Laces? Really comfortable, yeah. Okay. You're right. It probably is a good time to run it probably is showing off your boots and i'm another part of that yeah sure when you're showing people your army boots and say you really need to get on this these army boots are like super special they're boots they're from canada you're canadian you're like you're a little proud of of our canadian you know we have a lot of stuff in Canada that people don't talk about. They don't talk about it in America.

But, you know, like. You need a song. Well, I'm proud to be Canadian. Right. Where I'm kind of, sort of free. Yeah. Very free. Very free.

Sort of free. Very free. You don't have First Amendment though, right? No. Well, I mean. No, you don't. You know the story about Mike Ward, comedian who. Yeah, yeah.

I do. Yeah, I know Mike. He got in trouble. And then there was another guy who got in trouble who was involved in a heckling situation where these women were heckling him he said horrible shit to them and they sued him and then they won in court yeah it's a different sort of a situation over there so it's like they were insulting each other back and forth and he's on stage doing stand-up and he wound up losing a shitload of money remember that jamie there was

like i believe he was vancouver vancouver montreal much he was montreal that was mike ward montreal yeah this guy was a different guy the guy oh okay this guy i believe was bc oh the one who lost the lawsuit to the ladies in the audience who were heckling him so they were heckling him i heard about that actually i know mike though but mike's a good guy yeah i met mike funny as fuck by the way i heard he's a good guy. Yeah, I met Mike. He's funny as fuck, by the way. I heard he's very good stand-up. No, no, Mike is hilarious. I did a podcast with Mike. Hilarious.

And I want to shout out to Mike Ward. Yeah. Lesbian wins 22... Why do they have to say lesbian? That's not Mike, by the way. Jesus Christ. But this is not fucked up. But hold on a second.

Guy Earle is the name of the comic. But look what it says. Lesbian wins $22,500 over comedian's insults. Lesbian. How about woman? That's a weird headline. I mean, I gotta admit. I gotta admit that's a weird headline.

That is an identity politics headline. Lesbian wins money. Oh, we know which side you should be on, Tom Green. Not on the side of jokes. I honestly have no comment on that. I don't even know what's going on with that. You should not be on the side of defending yourself against hecklers or trying to ruin a show. No, you should be on the side of the lesbians.

I think it was actually, in all fairness, because one of the things that he said about her was that she was a dyke or something like that. I think it was just one of those situations that I'm sure you've experienced at comedy shows where people are drunk and they're yelling shit and comics yelling shit joe joe joe audience member your shirt iron mike tyson roy jones jr yeah next week man tell me about this because i actually don't know i actually don't know i don't know a lot about you didn't didn't know about this fight? Well, I know about it. I do know about it. Yes, I do. But I don't know.

What don't you know? I'm just not as in tune with the history of fights. I mean. Well, they're two of the all-time greats. And listen, they're both in great shape. Roy Jones Jr. has this crazy footage on his page. Israel Adesanya added to Mike Tyson's versus Ward June's. What?

Oh, no shit. Alongside Sugar Ray Leonard. Oh, my God. And Al Bernstein. That's an amazing lineup. Yeah. That's amazing. That's a great idea.

They're smart. They're on the ball. First of all, Stylebender is the biggest superstar in the UFC right now. So to have him, him and Khabib Nurmagomedov, the two biggest superstars in the UFC, for sure. And Jon Jones. Well, there's a lot of superstars. But the point is, like, having him be on a Mike Tyson card automatically boosts it up. And Larry Merchant.

Or, no, Al Bernstein. Al Bernstein, right? Not Larry Merchant? Al Bernstein's an awesome boxing commentator. And it's a weird fight because everybody wanted to see that fight. There was talk of that fight back when Roy Jones won the heavyweight title. He beat John Ruiz, and he was like about 200 pounds. And Tyson in his prime was like 215, 225, in that range.

And they had talked about those two fighting, and it never came to play. So to see it happen when one is 54 and one is 51, it's crazy. But Roy Jones looks insane, man. I know everybody talks about how good Tyson looks, and Tyson looks incredible. The videos of Tyson hitting the pads, and he's doing it with Rafael Cordero,

who's this very well-respected MMA striking coach. Rafael Cordero is legendary in the sport of MMA. He runs King's Academy, King's MMA in – it's like – what is that? Orange County or Huntington Beach. Where's King's MMA? I've seen him in Hollywood, but I know it's worse. I think their base is like Huntington. Anyway, Rafael Cordero has been training Mike Tyson.

There's all these videos of Mike Tyson hitting the pads, and it's fucking insane. He's so fast. He looks so good. It's crazy. But then, you've got to watch the Roy Jones Jr. clips. There's Roy Jones Jr. clips that were put up over the last couple of days that Roy ramping up for the fight. He's

51. He's 51. You can't believe how fast his hands are. At 51, He's 51. You can't believe how fast his hands are. At 51, he's like, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. He's throwing all these combinations. He's like, oh my God. You forget. Like his song.

You like rap music? Y'all must have forgot. He's got a song. Really? Yes. Roy Jones Jr., when he was in the middle of beating the fuck out of everybody, when he was the number one pound forfor-pound fighter on the planet with no questions asked, he was also making rap music.

Really? Yes. Really? Yeah, y'all must have forgot. Damn. Just about what a beast he is. But, you know, well, listen, he should be. It's an interesting fight, man.

It's interesting because some people are against it. They're like, I don't want to see these guys fight. I don't want to see these guys get hurt. But listen, that has been their whole business. Look how good Roy Jr.'s hands look. Is this one of the recent ones over the last few days? Look how fucking fast his hands are, man. Oh, this is like a CBD ad.

What kind of CBD is it? Oh, this is his company. That's of CBD is it? Left. Oh, this is his company. That's what it is. Left hook CBD. No bullshit. Roy Jones Jr.'s left bicep is 30% larger than his right bicep. It's weird to look at, right?

Why? Isn't that weird, Jamie? Yeah. Freaks you out. It might be more than 30%. I might be selling it short. Is that his punching hand? His left is his front hand, and he throws a lot of hooks,

so his bicep is really big. It's enormous. He jokes around about how much bigger it is than his right one. You look at the two of them, you're like, oh, my God. You got into UFC and fighting. Do you enjoy that? Well, yes, I mean, do you enjoy that? Well, yes, I do enjoy it. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I mean, like, so what do you do? Like, hey, next week, let's go spar in the gym. No, no, no, no, no, no. Let's go fight? I still do like little jujitsu rolling, but I don't spar like striking anymore. So how's that? Like, do you do that, though?

Like you go fight with people or no no no like in an organized when you have gloves on and you hit each other in the head it sounds like it would be fun as hell i've never done that in my life by the way i'm trying to tell you it's not good for you don't do that okay you should do that if that's what you want to do for a career or if you're young and you want to see how good you can get at it but when you get to a certain point in your life you shouldn't be getting hit in the head anymore right because getting hit in the head anymore. Right. Because getting hit in the head is like getting poked in the eyes.

Right. You don't get stronger. You know, we're talking about eyes. As you get older, your eyes, even if you work out hard with them, they actually fall apart. Yeah. It's not like any other system in your body where you can train it to be stronger. You train your muscular system.

You can train a lot of the things you do. You get it like a pathway grooved where you know exactly how... Martial arts are that way, where you know exactly how to do it. And as you do it longer and longer in your life, you get better at doing it. Not with your eyes and not with getting hit in the head. Those are two things. When something happens bad to your eyes and not with getting hit in the head those are two things when they have something happens bad to your eyes or something happens bad to your head it does not get better yeah yeah it gets a little better yeah it does not but if you keep getting hit in the head it's gonna get worse and worse and worse so don't spar that's what i'm telling you yeah that's that's i love that because it's like you know that's uh you know people think that they that it's like, you know, that's, you know. People think that it's just sparring.

But you're getting hit in the head. You're calling it just sparring. And it is just sparring. Some sparring I think is important. I've never done that. And now that I think about it, I haven't thought about this before. That sounds like that would be probably a pretty exciting and fun thing to do. But I have been punched in the head a few times, Joe.

I'm sure you have. I believe that. Maybe once or twice. I think most men by the time you get to be a certain age maybe once or twice something's hit you in the head not more than 10 times but but all my my point is this is not to diminish anybody who loves sparring if you love sparring just like if you love riding a dirt bike go ahead and do it i'm not i want you to do whatever the fuck you want for some people the value of sparring and getting that aggression out is worth whatever brain damage they might get. Or it's like skateboarding, too.

It's about risk. It's about risk. We need to take a risk because it makes us feel like we're alive. Yeah. We're not taking a risk. So that's what it is. I think it's a freedom issue, too. You should be free to get punched in the head.

Right. If you want to do it. If you and your buddy want to get together and punch each other in the head, I don't think anybody should be able to stop you. Absolutely. But as your friend, I want to tell you that you have to think about getting hit in the head differently than is the standard narrative amongst men that don't think about it. Yeah.

The thing is, like, don't be a pussy, put your gloves on. Listen, if you get hit in the head too much, your brain doesn't work well anymore. It just stops functioning at a high level. Start developing all sorts of problems. I don't, yeah, so, oh my gosh. You want some coffee? No, I'm good, dude.

Yeah, I, yeah. dude. Yeah, I... Don't spar, Tom Green. That's what I'm saying to you. And don't listen to me. If you want to spar, go ahead and spar. For some people, it's better for them because they don't feel depressed. They can get their exertion out in sparring and they're fine with it for now. And they're just going to deal with that.

I get it. But it's just... There's a reality of getting hit in the head too many times. There's only so many you have in you. Yeah, it's better a thing to avoid. Before the wheels fall off. Yeah, avoid it if you can. Yeah, I – yeah, well, listen, I mean it's –

I probably have been in a few of those, but Joe, this is good. Um, can I, uh, bring Charlie back into the equation for a second? You must. Charlie. What do you want to bring her back to the equation for? By the way, her new name is Chopper. I thought we were just talking about Chopper. Um, I don't have to, but. I don't know why I thought your name is Chopper. I thought we were just talking about Chopper.

I don't have to, but... I don't know why I thought your dog was Chopper. Where did I get that one from? Did someone say it? I feel like someone said it. Yeah, I might have said... Don't be nice to me. If I made it up, let me know I made it up. I'm not worried.

This dog is so cool. I agree it up, let me know I made it up. I'm not worried. This dog is so cool. I agree. I feel really... Are you a salesman for a product I've already bought? Yes, this dog. Well, you know, I'm just happy about how nice this doggy is. She's a good girl.

She's a young puppy that got really lucky. She's a good girl. I can tell by the way you guys cuddle. You guys cuddle a lot. She loves you. She's a good girl. I can tell by the way you guys cuddle. You guys cuddle a lot. She's a nice doggy. Do you have any plans to do another comedy special? I can't wait

to do one. When do you think you'll be comfortable enough to get in front of crowds? Like tonight? Yeah, sure. Really? Yeah. What would we have to do to get you on stage tonight well it's asked me to come with you is there a show but what you wouldn't be worried get into a big covid soup i would be but but it's joe rogan asking me to go to a show in austin so

we don't have a show tonight if i had a show tonight i would do it i just i did a show last night for the first time in a week. And the show before that I did the first time was July. But if you were serious tonight right now, I would, of course, yeah. My point is like you're comfortable doing a show. If you did a show tonight. No, not at all. You're not?

No, not at all. But you'd take a risk? Some small amount of risk. Yeah, if like right now there was a show, I'd go do a show, yeah, because it'd be hilarious. Let's go, you know, we'd go have a good time, and it'd be great, but I would not plan on going out. I'm not trying to go do stand-up right now.

You're going to wait for the vaccine? Yes. That's what I'm doing. I hope it works. That's what I'm doing. We talked to Nicholas Christakis a couple of days ago, and he was telling us about the vaccine, how it would work, and I'm like, if it was proven to be telling us about the vaccine and how it would work. And I'm like, if it was proven to be effective and safe, I'd take it. But I would want to know, man.

I want to talk to those doctors. Want to know, tell me what you did. Do you get the flu shot? No. I get the flu shot every year. Congratulations, Tom Green! How's that immune system? I like the flu shot. When was the last time you got the flu? I haven't had immune system? I like the flu shot. When was the last time you got the flu?

I haven't had it since I started getting the flu shot. Wow. I used to get it all the time. Coincidence? No, no, no. It was instantly. As soon as I started getting the flu shot, I never got the flu again. Jamie, when was the last time you got the flu?

It did exactly what it said it was supposed to do. I don't know if I honestly ever even had it now that I've heard how bad it is. Oh, I get it every year. I go down to CBS, boom, boom, 26. And you never get the flu because you get the flu shot. So, yeah. Makes sense. So, well, this is what happened.

Okay. You'll appreciate this. Okay. This is. Okay. This is. So, I guess it was like, you know, when I started doing stand-up again, I was going out on the road every weekend.

I would get the flu every year. And then I decided to start taking the flu shot, and I got the flu again. But yeah, so yeah, I think it works. Well, that's anecdotal evidence, Tom Green. And I'm going to take it into account. We're going to go over this and apply it to all the other data, and we'll get back to you.

Exactly. If we believe your flu shot theory. Yeah. Might be a crock of shit. Yeah. No, I think flu shots are probably great. But I also think that keeping your immune system strong is great. I think you've got to be on the ball.

And I think people don't want to hear that shit. I need to know. They want to be able to just go to the doctor and get it fixed. Exactly. I need to know. I do need to be more aware of how to look after myself physically. Like, what am I supposed to be doing? Well, there's a simple body weight exercise program that you could do while you're out in these remote locations.

You don't need anything. I have weights with me. Oh, do you? Yeah. You know what sometimes is even better than weights? I got two 25-pound dumbbells. Oh, that's good. And I just do that.

Sometimes what's even better than weights is bands. Once every seven days, I'll do it. You know what I mean? I'm not being very attentive to my health, to be honest with you. How come? Come on in. Talk on that microphone, Tom Green. Well, you know, I mean, I – all right.

Well, you know, listen, I'm – i don't know it's a it's it's weird you think about everything that's going on in the world all the time you it rattles around in your head and you start to think like are you an empathic person are you an empath what well you know i mean in what sense are you like um i don't know if i'm using that word correctly isn't that when you say an empathic person who's like a deeply in tuned other people's suffering i think that's how i'm trying to use yes is that a correct definition i think i am yes i think i am yes yes yes that's the answer yes okay i I'm trying to use a positive word for a sensitive person. Yeah.

Showing an ability to understand and share feelings of another. Okay. I think that's... So you're... I think that is what I am, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You seem like that kind of a guy.

Yeah. So like when shit is awful, like when you say, can we all just get along? Some people say it and there's not a... You have a real sincerity to where the way you're saying is like you really do want everybody to like your your happiness uh would be enhanced if people were getting along better yeah yeah for sure yeah yeah yeah i mean everybody is should we should all just be having a good time. I think we need to embrace those ideas. I think that if there's anything that we can do as individuals, like as, because society is so whack right now, it's just so out of tune.

But the only thing that we can do to each other is like create the minimal amount of damage, like be as nice to each other as we can. I'm not saying stop joking around. I'm not saying, saying just keep your mouth shut and don't talk about things you know that are wrong. I'm not saying stop joking around i'm not saying saying just keep your mouth shut and don't talk about things you know that are wrong i'm not saying that i'm just saying there's ways in most of what we interact most of the ways we interact with each other we could be nice to each other we have to just think of ourselves as being in this together you're not a republican you're not a democrat you're a fucking human being and this idea that you have to be on that side or this side, you have to support him or him or her or what the fuck ever. You don't. Most of these people that are talking about politicians and these ideas that they're fighting over as like a cornerstone of their life they don't even really

deeply understand the people they're talking about the people that they support there's a lot of things they're missing it's just the person syncs up with a good enough idea that's my team i'm a fucking raiders fan dolphins can suck my ass and next thing you know you're looking at it the same way a sports fan does and that's what most people do. Right. And I think it's fucking nonsense. You just have to have shit in your own... We all have these weird competitive drives and instincts. That's why people love to get dedicated to teams. You want the fucking Buccaneers to go out there and kick some ass.

They get really dedicated to it. It means a lot to them. It feels good to them. But it's a trap. It's a trap. it's a trap and it's the same trap that leads you to republican versus democrat yeah that same goddamn trap it's it's not good for any of us and most of the argument is started out with you're on that side this person's on the other side and then you're like well they can't be right because they're not

over here and there's you and then you become married to you being right or them you know and they become married to them being right and you're just duking it out and people will lie and fucking manipulate try to win the argument and that's more common than not that's the the weirdest thing about us and this is like it the the basest most primate level of like screaming at each other that is all happening right now just filtered through really sophisticated law and language and behavior in congress and the senate and it's all the same thing it's just like this yeah and they're duking it out they're all duking it out the left left and the right, the news anchors, the fucking people on MSNBC and Fox News and everybody's like, ah!

All super ineffective ways of communicating. Everybody's screaming into the night. Doesn't it seem like that kind of? That's what it is. It seems like that's what it is. Kind of, right? It's not a good way to handle this. Oh, my gosh.

It's not a good way to handle this. The best way to handle this is for everybody to just agree to be nice. Yeah. Start from that. Yeah. Start from that, and let's go over the differences. Let's go over the issues that we... How much money do you think should go to education, and why?

Why is education so cheap to you? How much do you think it costs to education, right? And why? Why is education so cheap to you? Like, how much do you think it costs to pay a teacher? How much should it cost? Like, is it a matter of how much you don't want to give up in taxes, or is it a matter of how much a teacher is actually worth? Yeah. Because we got a lot of things that we would all agree on. If we could put it into a perspective of this is how much it's actually

going to impact you in terms of how much you have to pay, this is how much it can actually going to impact you in terms of how much you have to pay. This is how much it can actually impact you into how much your, the actually quality of life, the quality of life in your community is. How much it gets improved. I think most people would be willing, if they were absolutely certain, to know that the quality of their life would improve

where they live if they could just add more to the tax pool. They would probably do it happily. Most people, if they really thought that it would enhance everybody, that we're all on the same side. I agree with that. People think they're getting fucked. That's part of the problem.

They think they're getting fucked, and they think they're getting manipulated. Why do they think that? Because, well, let's go with California. I don't think that. California, when you're paying 13% in taxes, you're like, where's my money going? How come you can go to Nevada and you pay zero? How come I drive an hour that way and I pay zero?

Like, what am I doing here? Why am I paying so much money? Right. A lot of people think like that. Sure, sure. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, I guess, you know, I don't know.

I personally just kind of you know I was driving here today right Austin Texas and this guy had the freeway and people asking for money on the side of the freeway tell him to get a job

no I did not I did not I feel bad that we have to have that going on in our world. Yes. It's very unfortunate whenever you see it because what it represents to me is a baby that grew up and became a person that finds themselves on the side of the road asking for money. Yeah. And I don't know what's nature and I don't know what's nurture. I don't know what is drug addiction. I don't know what's abuse. i don't know what's nurture i don't know i don't

know what is drug addiction i don't know what's abuse i don't know what gets a person to that point i don't know their life but when i see them that's what makes me sad yeah it makes me sad is that a person would get to this position and not have anybody to turn to not have anybody they can rely on not have anybody they love that loves them back yeah that's what that is yeah there's if you see a person on the street you're dealing with either drug addiction or a person who doesn't have anybody who really loves them and they never grew up with someone who loves them so they don't understand love they're bad at relationships they're bad at communication and they find themselves under

a fucking overpass somewhere yeah i think that should be something that we're all more aware of and we have empathy towards people when you look at at a city. That are in that situation. When you look at a city like Los Angeles, for example, that's filled with tents, you're failing these people. Whatever you're doing to take care of it, if you really want to be empathetic towards people that are homeless or people that are down on their luck, people that are downtrodden, you've got to fix that.

I don't know how to do it. I'm a comedian. You fix it. You have to come up with ideas to fix it. You can't let it get worse every year because it just keeps getting worse. LA is bananas right now. Since you've left,

how many tents do you think they popped up? One million. One million new tents. Okay. I just made that number up. Yeah, really? Yeah. Well, I will say,

it is sad when you drive around in the city and you're in this beautiful city, Los Angeles, with all its history and everything and it's a beautiful place and there's people sleeping under the bridge and a tent. You're like, man, come on.

You know what happens to other people? We should be able to help these people. Right, but you know what happens? These people develop communities. And then they're all hanging out together on this tent strip, and they know each other. It's not ideal. But then they start thinking about these people that are in apartments,

working shitty jobs, hating their lives. I'm like, I don't know if this is any better or worse. A lot of people have that perspective you could live on the beach in santa monica yeah set up a tent like you don't need much if you're one of those dudes there's a lot of dudes out there like i don't need much i don't even have shoes yeah i i feel like that i mean i'm living in a van down by the river now so that's why i brought it up yeah you're getting you're closing in on that i don't need much sort of thing yeah no absolutely i mean and it's it's funny how charlie has been so quiet has she been like the best dog she's an awesome dog i know a dude who started out doing what you

were doing and then eventually just decided to travel he's a fitness guy steve maxwell just eventually just traveled all over the world got rid of his van stopped living in his van and started uh living in hotels and living wherever he gets hired to do gigs yeah just travel all over the world doing that yeah teaching fitness wow that's that's gave up on all his worldly possessions fuck it he lives out of a bag on his back wow yeah is he uh yeah that I mean that's i mean listen it's fun to be able to explore the planet do you like going to like other places do you like going to like new countries yeah i do what's your favorite country that you've been to um maybe italy okay yeah uh because i got a chance to go to the vatican and you see the art

collection oh that's cool and you wander around that place and just think of what kind of insane history it was wow in that time of the world where rome was conquering everything and you get to i've been to you know i went to rome and saw the coliseum and you're standing in this place where for who knows how many hundreds of years gladiators fought to the death and just thinking about how bananas this whole situation must have been when this place was filled and they would lift up the fucking bottom of the floor and there'd be a tiger and a dude with a sword would fight off a tiger like what the fuck man like this was this really happened and then you also see the beauty in their

artwork and yeah it's uh there's something about italy also because i'm italian so it makes me think of uh my ancestors you know someone wandering around this weird place like you guys were freaks i was like no wonder i'm fucked up you guys were freaks you guys were freaks yeah that's incredible the Coliseum is bananas you just sit there and you think how many years did people

entertain themselves with other people getting slaughtered like I read some insane statistic about how many people died in the Coliseum over the many hundreds of years that it was around. Okay, wait. How many was it?

I forget. I think it was hundreds of thousands. It's too many. It was an estimation. I don't know if the estimation was even correct. No amount would be too many, but it was too too many. Let's guess. Let's guess. I want to say it's close to 200,000 plus people died. How many people died? More. More? What? 400,000? 400,000. That's what it was. So I knew it was in the hundreds of thousands. So 400,000 people died in the coliseum really and a million 400

000 and a million animals okay a million wow jesus christ 400 000 people and a million animals over a period of how long jamie 400 years fuck so think about america i want you to think of 1620 imagine a coliseum built in 1620 is still rocking today there's a dude about to fight to the death with a fucking elephant yeah he's got a spear and a shield he's gonna fight to the death with an elephant he's probably gonna get his legs snapped in half yeah as the elephant stomps him as he shoves his fucking spear into its heart yeah yeah he's gonna drag himself over to the elephant and finish it off that sounds so stressful super stressful oh. Oh, my God. Yeah, they used to fill the bottom of the Colosseum up with water. That is so stressful. They had a very sophisticated, super stressful.

Did they not want to just, like, chill out and just, like, go look at stuff? That's the thing, man. Italians are bananas. Why not just, like, hey, let's just look at everything and not do anything? Dude, when I was there, I don't know if they do this for a tool for a show for uh american tourists but i was there i had one of my daughters in the car with me and this fucking italian dude in rome stops the car like almost in the middle of an intersection to uh compliment some woman on her figure he's like oh model look at this one over here like literally a caricature and drives off

i'm like oh rome yeah this is like was what happens all the savages from rome they've like my people they've they've turned into this now now they're just nutty nutty male taxi drivers but when you see what they did in the coliseum, what they decided to do was build up an arena where people would fight to the death. And it became one of the most famous arenas in the history of the world. Right? If you stop and think about the history of the world, what is more famous in terms of like uh like an arena where you know that like people did crazy shit and fought to the death there's no other place there's the coliseum and that's it there's no

other place where you think of that immediately makes you think of people in sword fights and bows and arrows and lions and it's only the coliseum yeah you know how crazy human beings are yeah in the thousands and thousands of years we've been around, there's only one famous place like that. The garden is the closest I can think of. Yeah. Yeah, the garden. Maybe a hundred years. But no one's

dying in the garden, right? That's the only difference. That's why I love... That's next. That's why I drove, like, and I'm gonna honestly starting tomorrow and going to all these little these amazing places you know like that that that that that there's something you know there's like like 15 of those in New Mexico there's a about 15 archaeological sites of you know early architecture, native architecture. Like the one you showed us, the cliff stuff?

There's 14 of those? There's many more, actually. Are they different? Are they all in the cliffs? They are different, and there are different places, and there was this whole civilization that was built up out there, and we can just drive out there and go look at it. You can go stand there in those spots.

So I was driving through Flagstaff right before Flagstaff. Wupitaki? I think it's Wupitaki. But I just saw the sign, National Monument. I turned off, and I went down, and here you are all of a sudden, you're standing in a place. It's like it was built in, you know, it's stone walls around you, and they were built in this right here.

Oh, my God. What did you say, Jamie? It's called bandolier. Bandolier. Like the thing your bullets go on? I might be saying it wrong. That's okay. So it's like that.

So go to Wupatuck. Go. How do they get into those little holes? They have ladders here. I don't know how. You know, there's like. That's not. I don't think I've been there yet, actually.

That's not. That's really different. That's insane. There's a lot of. But there's stuff like that all over. That's the move, though. Then you pull the ladder up at night and like, get the fuck out of here. That's insane. But there's stuff like that all over. That's the move, though. Then you pull the ladder up at night and like, get the fuck out of here. Right.

Right? Right. You don't want that ladder down there during the day. But it's like the Ewoks, you know? It's all like the Ewoks. That's heavy, man. There's all these Ewok kind of... It's just so weird to think that people lived like that just not that long ago.

And it's right there. Yeah, and you can go visit it. You can just drive out there it just makes you think if you weren't born in this era yeah if you were born thousands of years ago and you're born in this spot this is this would be your village this would be where you live people like you and me regular people lived in that spot yeah and you just think about what it must have been like to be alive like the other one that you showed me you said 1200 BC right 1200 the cliff dwellings cliff dwellings in dude Gila Gila national hundred years ago 800 years ago you're sitting around 800 years ago and you're looking up at the

sky and it's not there's nothing to separate you from the stars. You're seeing incredible stars. And you're just trying to keep people from eating your family. You're trying to keep other animals from eating you. You're trying to eat animals. You're trying to figure out how to keep the fire on. You're trying to figure out how to make flint arrowheads. They had a macaw feather in...

So this is a thing. I think I... In... This is interesting. In the... Okay, I'm just going to clarify. I'm not totally wasted. This is kind of interesting.

They had a... This is the cutest route to get this macaw feather story. They found a macaw feather in there and then that means that they were trading with the Yucatan Peninsula because because the macaw is from Yucatan they also found a bison bone in those so that means there was not bison

native to that area so that means they were trading with interesting there was not bison native to that area in the 1200s they could figure that So that means they were trading with other... Interesting. Yeah. There was not bison natives in that area in the 1200s? They could figure that out? I guess, apparently. Dude, you ever see all the shit that they do when they go back and look at...

Is it Pleistocene era? What is the era where they had a North American lion? There was a North American lion that was larger than the african lion that lived right here okay yeah yeah there was not like a certain amount of time ago i think it was more than 15 000 years ago this place north america was filled with some really crazy shit man yeah saber-toothed tigers and yeah sorts of... We were at... You think about Africa, right?

You think about leopards. Leopards, Asia? Leopards are in Africa too, right? Leopards. Jaguar is South America. Jaguar, South America, right. So leopards, lions, crocodiles. You think of the fucking predators tigers are not in africa

they're asia right yeah yeah people always would think oh africa tigers there's no tigers in africa no you're right yeah but there's plenty of shit that'll kill you yeah hyenas right so you think all these wild beasts and and then what you know when we think of like safari in africa the dangers of safari those are the animals you would think of. North America apparently was filled with those things. You know antelope today? You know what a North American antelope is? A pronghorn antelope.

You ever seen one of those? Yes. Did you see them on your trip? Yeah, yesterday. They're really cool. Oh, you saw one yesterday? I did. They're really cool, right?

It's actually on my Instagram. Dude, those are prehistoric. So if you go to my Instagram right now. Okay. me tom green live what is it at tom green at tom green my instagram i went but seriously the only reason i'm really pushing it hard here joe is because i did i was driving down the highway, and we saw these antelope, and they were, like, really beautiful. Yeah, they're beautiful. And I said, whoa. And I went on the Instagram story or whatever, and I said, hey, yo, check this out.

There's this antelope. And we turned around. We drove back. We looked at them, and they were beautiful. They're a really weird animal. They're an animal that predates all the mass extinction of the North American large mammals. So the North American large mammals like the African lion, which was previous, but saber-toothed tiger, American cheetah. There was a cheetah that lived in America that was really fast.

And those cheetahs are the reason why these pronghorns are so fast. They're so fast because they evolved to get away from an animal that doesn't exist anymore, but they still exist. So they can run, North American antelope can run much faster than any other animal around. So everything else can eat shit. They take off, and those pronghorns take off. They're fucking gone, man. They're so fast.

Have you ever seen them in full clip? No, no. They were just standing there, but it was beautiful. It felt like you were kind of like, wait, this doesn't feel... It felt sort of like you were in a different sort of place. They don't belong. They don't belong. They do, obviously, they belong. But they don't belong in the sense that they're from a different time. Their eyes are set on the sides of their head this really weird way, but they can literally see almost behind them okay so like if you're if you're if this is like an antelope it's looking here and you're over here

they see you crystal clear okay crystal clear they just don't see you back here right but right here they see you 100 they see you 100 here they see in a full range that we can't even comprehend because their eyeballs are out here they don't even look like they belong here they look like an avatar wire wire picture of a pronghorn antelope's face antelope like this face there's really there's some there's some cool close-up ones that show how bizarre their eyes are like that one up the the one in the upper left hand click on that get close to that look at his eyes see how wide his eyes are behind his head? Fascinating animal.

And that animal exists because there was a thing called the North American cheetah. Oh, Rome. And the skies are not cloudy all day. Yeah. Antelope. Oh, that's beautiful.

Yeah. You know, it's a... It's a... Here's a good question for you, Tom Green. Okay, yes, sir. We don't want animals to go extinct, right? Right. We don't.

No one does. But they do. And most of them have gone extinct. We don't want anything to be extinct for sure because of humans but animals have been going extinct since to be 90 of all animals that have ever existed aren't here anymore yeah because there's some weird sort of a contest yeah going on with all of the animals on the planet us included yeah would we be comfortable accepting the fact that we are like a dodo bird? We're some sort of a dying species. I would be comfortable with that.

Would you be comfortable with that out there in the middle of nowhere in your van, hanging out with Chopper? I assume that's the case, to be honest with you. I think so, too. Yeah. I don't think that's bad for people. I feel the same way I feel about someone saying, do you want to live to be 1 with you. I think so too. Yeah. I don't think that's bad for people. I feel the same way I feel about someone saying, do you want to live to be a thousand?

Like, I don't want to live to be a thousand. That's a long time. But I don't want to not live to be a thousand. I like life. I like it right now. That's cool. I'm enjoying it. It's getting a bit repetitive.

Well, you're out there in a fucking van, Tom Green, hanging out with your dog every day like Groundhog Day yeah but yeah no but I agree yeah it's getting a bit repetitive but yeah no absolutely I'd like to live to be a thousand a thousand's a long time you might be able to figure some shit out

imagine though if you were a thousand and you were dating 18 year olds what a creep you would be would they make a new rule right if you were a thousand year old guy and you had an 18 year olds what a creep you would be yeah would they would they make a new rule right if you were a thousand year old guy and you're an 18 year old girlfriend they're like enough you piece of shit doesn't matter what you look like i don't think it would be that you know i think i think yeah yeah what do you think i think wow chopper's asleep first of all I'm looking at Chopper here. I like how you changed your name.

You renamed her. You like my Swiss Army knife, Joe? I do. You're out there out in the wilderness. My dad gave me that. You could do a lot of shit with this thing. When I was a kid, my dad gave me that. Do you use it as a can opener?

I do. I have a few times. I bet you do. I remember the first time I ever opened a can with a Swiss Army knife, the can opener one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know, I actually opened a can of tuna with it the other day. It was oddly satisfying.

Because there's been a couple of nights in the last few weeks where I've been said, you know what I want to have for dinner tonight, John? What? I just want to have a can of tuna and I want to go to bed that's it yeah do you worry about um like getting enough food or having food or making sure you're at a place where you can store food no no is this something you just have like a schedule we buy food on monday no no it's like I've been just driving around and I've, you know, there's. Shooting squirrels? No, no, but I, you know.

Eating rabbits? No, I have not eaten a rabbit, actually. You've never eaten a rabbit? No, I've never. Have you ever had frog legs? Yes, I have. They're pretty goddamn good. Oh, yeah.

But you haven't done any fishing where you caught a fish in this whole trip and ate it? So... You should do that. You should make that a priority. Yeah, for sure. Find a good spot. Because there's something about catching a fish and then eating it right away. Man, it's amazing.

I did it in Utah. My friend Brent, we went ice went ice fishing caught a rainbow trout yeah cooked it like a couple hours later it's magical yeah make you feel like you're self-sustaining out there tom green i got us okay i got a story about that please but like so i did catch a fish on. Oh, all of a sudden you caught a fish. Yeah, but it was the first fish I caught, and it wasn't, you know, it was a sunfish. And it wasn't like I didn't catch it too good. It was kind of a tough situation.

So I felt bad, you know, and I just haven't fished again since then. Oh, okay. You know, sunfish are good to eat, right? I grew up, when I was a kid, those, those you know would catch those in the perch and all that yeah but it's like yeah yeah how come you decided not to cook it and keep it uh well no it was it was this last time the only time i know of it was it was just it was just it was just it was it was my i wasn't really fishing for a sunfish you know i was trying to catch a bass or a trout or something. Something larger?

Yeah, and I got a little sunfish. You decided not to keep it? Yeah. Yeah, that's the problem with not keeping a fish. There was nothing you could do. Yeah. I mean, it was just. I hear you.

Yeah. Why not just keep it? Cook it? Yeah. Well, I wasn't, I guess, I guess it could have probably still probably was it of legal size or was it tiny no it was just it was just it was just you know you kind of figured oh okay well it'll probably like uh i thought it figured it probably would have would have lived you know so i let it go i let it i released it a lot of catch and release fish don't live

yeah i was hoping it would though fishing is a weird thing man right fish don't live. Yeah. I was hoping it would, though. Fishing is a weird thing, man, right? I don't like it. You're standing on the edge of a world, and you're throwing in a trick. So that's what I'm saying. So listen, here's the thing, okay? So. Okay. Now we're talking about this.

What are we talking about? I did that, like, as a kid. Like, as a kid in Canada, I would go onto a wharf in the middle of a lake. Lower Beverly Lake. This is where I grew up when I was a kid. Okay, check this out. This is an obscure geological place. Lower Beverly Lake, Canada.

And I grew up there, and we would go out there, and me and my friends, we would catch a northern pike. I love northern pike. Off the dock. We'd catch like five a day. Awesome fish. Fish this big. And then, you know know you would eat them it tastes good their bones are the shape they're like shaped like y's they're little y's and these and and and and and they're a little bony like when you're very yes they are eating them you gotta pick out some bones largemouth bass is like a sea bass. It's the Canadian sea bass.

You know? And that was a delicious thing. You know what they say that largemouth bass in particular, they taste better in cold water? Uh-huh. Like cold water bass, like what you would catch where you live versus what someone would catch in Florida. Yours would taste better. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting.

I don't know if that's true. Did they say that? Yeah. I've heard that. I don't know if it's true. Smallmouth bass are supposed to taste better than large mouth bass. And so the small mouth bass put up a better fight than the large mouth bass. Yeah, that's what everybody says.

They're more aggressive. Uh-huh. Yeah. So you could get like a two pound small mouth is going to like. And people prefer them to eat too. Really? The people that eat bass, yeah, they prefer small mouth over large mouth. Really?

I don't know enough but yeah that's the word small mouth bass is supposed to taste better than large round fast so it's it's it's pretty crazy and then so like you know but like um catfish i've got a few of them in my day as well catfish are awesome you ever see those people that go noodling would you do that i would do that yeah would you you don't give a fuck about your fingers huh i don't give a fuck what about snapping turtles son you ever think of that i so i that moment tom green realizes his fucking hand is in the grip of a shell dinosaur i can tell you i have snapping turtle stories i mean you know like like i i i've been in front of snapping turtles as a kid and you

realize it's like oh this thing's head's the size of a coconut it's gonna bite your dick yeah i i'm staying away from that so it's kind of pretty interesting when you're when you're right i saw a snapping turtle when i was a kid i was like uh i was living in Florida, so I had to be between 11 and 13. And we saw this snapping turtle in the middle of the forest. We were poking at it. It was snapping at us. I was like, oh, my God. It was so big, it almost seemed like somebody's pet.

They just like, fuck this thing. And they just let it go, which people do in Florida. That's why they have all those pythons everywhere. They have pythons everywhere in Florida. They caught an 18-foot long one the other day yeah they have alligators everywhere and yeah when when i was a kid i saw a fucking snapping turtle and i remember thinking like what yeah like what is this thing doing just wandering around where people live but the snapping turtle is the only like kind of like weird sort of like you know like like when you talk about crocodiles and have you ever seen a crocodile snapping turtle

jamie crocodile snapping turtle son get ready for the next level of horror right snapping turtle has an ugly cousin and the ugly meaner more demonic cousin is the alligator snapping turtle look at that fucking thing wow was i joking imagine that big thing that's trying to bite your foot okay so that actually that actually looks like a snapping turtle so that's what i'm talking about dude yeah so i grew up with the one on the right i saw those when i saw those when i was a kid the one on the left i remember what is an alligator snap i remember my my dad and i we went we we were like camping on this, and this thing came up, and I was like, wow, that's like an alligator.

And you're a kid, and you're in Canada, and there's things. You saw one of those? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where do those things live, Jamie? What's their range? They're all over. I've never seen one of those in a while, but I a snapping turtle. Shit my pants if I saw that fucking monster. Oh, yeah, and they swim up, and you're sitting there going,

well, that thing's the head's the side of a, you know, that could probably potentially hurt. I saw a regular snapping turtle. The one I saw when I was a kid, it was a regular one. It wasn't that big. Nothing like that thing. The mouth on that thing. Primarily southeastern U.S. Florida Panhandle to East Texas.

Wow. Okay, well, what's the snapping turtle that's in Ontario? You know what, man? I mean, especially how old were you when you saw this? I don't know. It's like six. Yeah. Imagine how little you are and how big that is.

Yeah. And your little six-year-old memory. Yeah. It's probably a regular snapping turtle, but it just seemed like the size of a fucking building so i can describe the exact scenario okay check it out this is what happened okay i think about this a lot the snapping turtle story no i think about this in my life it's one of those beautiful memories that you think about in your life you go wow that's cool that's when you realize how the fucking world worked you know okay me and

my dad we jumped in a canoe. We had a little house. They had a... Did you really jump in or did you step in carefully? My dad and I got in the canoe and we went out. We went fishing. We went fishing.

We went over to the other side and we set up a tent. We camped out. We went fishing. We caught two largemouth bass and it was an amazing night. And it was beautiful, beautiful, beautiful time. That's it?

Yeah. Oh, no, no. Oh, so no, no, sorry. I forgot what I was going to say, actually. Something about snapping turtles, right? Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you just said that's it, and you forgot the snapping turtle part. No, no, no.

Listen. So, listen. This is what happened. We went out to this island. we went out to this island we went to this island okay and i remember okay so we shaking hands yeah how drunk are you bro very drunk all right yeah no i'm great i'm good i'm good i'm good cheers i'm great i'm good i'm not i i'm not i'm in control everything i understand well cheers again good i'm i'm not... I'm in control. I understand. Well, cheers again. I'm good.

I'm not very drunk. I'm great drunk. I'm great drunk. You're a good man. This is like one of the all-time good times ever. Listen, you know I love you. Like when you put it down like in a book, you go like, what was the best time ever? This was the best time.

Let's give it like top 20. Yeah, absolutely. We don't have to make it the best. We put so much pressure on ourselves. Good time. Good time. Yeah. yeah absolutely have to make it the best no it's much pressure on ourselves good time good time yeah so what's the goal for the end of this walkabout this motor vehicle powered walkabout when you gonna bring this dock this boat into dock way I'm gonna I'm gonna just I don't know I actually not sure actually to be honest

with you I don't know I don't know. I'm not sure, actually, to be honest with you. I don't know. I don't know. I definitely am going to go see my fam up in Canada at some point. Are you allowed to drive to Canada right now? Yes. How does that work? Because you have a double ID? Because you're a fucking spy? You're so, like, on. You're, like, very, like, in tune with everything, aren't you?

What do you mean? Like it's like, yeah, of course, yeah, absolutely. But you're just so like, Joe, like, I mean, yeah, absolutely. How are you so connected with everything? What am I connected with? I'm just asking if you have a dual citizenship passport thing where you can get into Canada. It's cool that you listen to things. Like, you know, because here's the thing. When when you stand up you know when you stand up you're

traveling around the country you go to all these shows and everyone's interviewing and everyone but like you like really are you listen and connect with people how did you feel how did you realize that you knew how to connect with people i'd learned i'd do it i wasn't very good at it at first honestly i'd fuck conversations up because I would talk when I didn't want. I shouldn't have talked. Like you don't realize it while you're doing it. You're not trying to be an asshole. You're trying to just get.

You have an idea in your head. You just don't know how to. You don't know how to seamlessly integrate your ideas into a conversation with someone else's ideas. There's a dance going on. And the dance is not just what you want to say. And some comedians, they do it very poorly because all they think about is what they want to say. They don't think about what you're saying.

And if they don't think about what you're saying, then they're not really dance partners. They just expect you to move with them. And I've been that person before. We've all been that person before. It's not the right way to communicate with people. So you learn over time that part of the dance is you have to like the person. You have to listen to what they say.

You have to give them some love. You have to be interested in what they're saying genuinely. You have to be in tune on the same idea. So if you're telling me about an idea, I'm listening to this idea. I've got to be in tune with the same idea so if you're if you're telling me about an idea i'm listening to this i gotta be in tune with you the way you're thinking i can't just be waiting to say what i want to say right a lot of comedians are just waiting to say what they want to say they're not they're not trying to help you get the most out of what you're saying yeah yeah it was Jack Benny was Johnny Carson's idol and hero. And Jack Benny

would often have on all these great comedians of the day and people would say, how do you feel? They were getting all the laughs. He said, yeah, but it's my show. It's my show. So it was like, yeah.

Here's the problem, yeah the the that's this you could look at it that way but that doesn't help you as much or it does i should say it didn't help me as much as looking at it like i don't i don't have any control currently over what's more funny in the moment, nor should I want it to be me. What I should want to do in the moment is laugh at things that are funny and not think while I'm laughing at something that's hilarious, why am I not the funniest one in the room?

Yeah. You can't think like that. Yeah. It doesn't do you or the moment any good. It certainly doesn't do the person who's got a really funny thing to say. Yeah. Like, when you grow up in stand-up, because a lot of, like, my growth in stand-up is hanging out with Joey Diaz. When you're hanging out with Joey Diaz, you're always the second funniest person, no matter who you are.

He's just the funniest guy that's ever lived. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So, like, that helped, too, is being around joey you're never thinking i have to be the funniest yeah you just all you're thinking of is like let joey be as funny as he can yeah and then just do yourself but your job when you're around someone like joey is just let him be as funny as he can just give him as much encouragement as you can give him. Let him be as funny as he can. Because when you're encouraging him, he's free. He's supported.

He's loved. And he's free. And then he becomes the funniest guy that ever lived. So that probably gave you a lot of freedom, though. Because then you could fuck around and just be hilarious in that area where he was carrying a lot of that energy right well you could also just kind of give you a sort of a support system like he created a nice support energy like that was this was the area that you grew up in well you all um feed off each other for sure yeah everyone feeds off everyone's particular thing that they're really uh really good at or success that they're having

everyone feeds off of it it's all all, everyone works it in together. But there was a thing about Joey where he was so funny and so ridiculous that he made other things more ridiculous. He made other people's bits more ridiculous because he was so far, he was so far into I don't give a fuck land. Yeah. He was so down the road that you were yelling at him, where are you going? Yeah.

And he was like, come on, cocksucker, follow me. He was so far the road that you were yelling at him, where are you going? And he was like, come on, cocksucker, follow me. He was so far ahead. He was so deep into I don't give a fuck land. Right, right. My point is, with all things, whether it's with podcasting or with stand-up comedy or with martial arts, with basically anything you do, we're all a mix of all the people that we've met and their influence as well as who we are and what our own expression is.

But we're a mix of all these other people and all these other, there's so many fucking people that influence you. We're not autonomous. We're not alone. We're never. And that's good and bad. You know, the bad part is people know

that they can influence you because they know that you're not alone. That's where bad comments come into play. The only reason why it's like a negative thing is because it makes you feel bad. And the only reason why it makes you feel bad is because that's the intention of the person who's doing it. It's a thing that people do because we aren't all alone.

We can reach out blindly and infect each other and hurt each other and smash we can do it we can reach out blindly because we're weirdly connected in some way that we want to ignore yeah that's why it hurts when you read shitty comments yeah because we're weirdly connected in some previously not completely understood way. You could just decide to not look at them? Yes. Just like you can decide to work out. Just like you can decide to drink only water for a month. Just like you can decide to eat only ribeye steaks for a month.

Just like you can decide to run a mile a day for a month. Just like you can do 1,000 push-ups a month. You can do whatever the fuck you want, Tom Green. You just have to decide that's what you're doing. I can do 1,000 push-ups a month. I bet you could. I can. That's the key. The key is for month you could do whatever the fuck you want tom green yeah you just have to decide that's what you're doing i can do a thousand push-ups i bet you could i can that's the key the key is for sure you could that's not that much i mean i i'm not sure if i could this month but maybe next month well a thousand that's you know 100 a day for 10 days that's not that bad uh okay next maybe next month you could do a thousand pretty easy you know probably do 10

push-ups well you you got to do what 33 a day 33 days a thousand in a month 33 33 push-ups a day can i do push-ups right now sure you could but why would we do that i mean how drunk are you that we're really gonna bring ourselves to that pretty drunk plus this podcast like eight hours old right how many hours is it jamie 4 15 be funny it'd be funny to do something along to gone along be funny to do push-ups it'd be funny at this point i don't think it would okay all right i understand all right i won't do it coming from cheers um so that's what how do we get to that about push-ups and i'm just getting up in the morning where did that come from

check it out i'm gonna going to do something, okay? No. Watch. Let's end this. Close it. Close it down, Jamie. He's going to do something. He's going to regret.

No, you can't if you want. I'm just joking. You want to do push-ups? Yeah, let me do something. Okay. Come on. What are you going to do? There won't be a camera on you, though.

Charlie's chilling. How many push-ups are you going to try to do? Don't hurt yourself. Let's see if I can do 10. Okay. That's reasonable. I like what he said. He hurt yourself let's see if i can do 10 okay that's reasonable i like reason he said let's see if i can do 10 that's a very reasonable thing to say yeah yes okay go ahead all right okay all right let's see ready one tom green ladies and gentlemen he will be appearing at a truck stop near you uh if you are in upper northern utah near the trailhead holla at him uh he has a podcast

it's uh oh my god what were those noises oh that was her oh my god your dog was shaking her ears a flop I thought it was your back cracking I just did 10 push-ups congratulations I literally thought that was your back cracking. No, no. I was like, he's going to die, and it's going to be my fault that I didn't stop him. Oh, Charlie. Chopper. Bro, her name is Chopper.

Chopper, yeah. No, Joe. Thanks, man. Thank you, Tom Green. Listen, thank you originally for inspiring me, because you really did. The day that Red Band and I went to your studio, and I saw your house and how you had it set up, that was one of the first seeds.

And I was on Fear Factor back then. But I remember wandering around your place, how you had it set up. And you were very gracious and very hospitable and took us around. You were an awesome host. And you were so happy that you did this. You wanted to show everybody. It was a cool thing. We left there going, God, first of all, God all god damn how nice is tom green we both said that and they're

like how cool is what he's doing like it made me think that that could be done like so red band and i we were in so red band uh you know uh and he's moving here we yeah, I know. Woo! I knew that, yeah. You guys are taking over Austin, right? No, we don't want to take over anything. We just happen to be moving here. You love it here, right? Yes, love it here. You love this place. Yeah.

No, I'm just saying in a positive way, you love it. You love Austin. Yeah, we do love it. When we saw your place, dude, with the servers and the fucking... He had these... You got to think, what year was it that you were doing this? So Red Band and I were in San Diego. In your house.

What year were you doing it? Oh, 2004? 2005, maybe. So you have to think, folks, it's not possible to do this show with YouTube. It's not possible to do this show with... There's no social media to speak of. You can't really stream anywhere so

tom green decides to do a website where you can stream it from a website like you you were miles ahead so it's like when i was saying my but my dad earlier right my dad was a tank commander right and so in the canadian military when he was finished uh doing the tank he was working tank commanding he was working with the department of national defense and computers right cobalt computers so yeah so like yeah it's just kind of like i was always computers have always been around up in canada but you it wasn't just computers dude it was the idea to do a show on the internet i even met for the with the people that you were working with back then. Remember you were working with a group of people that hosted the website and did all the logistics and everything?

Yeah, yeah. I met with them in Denver. Oh, yeah. But I remember thinking, I don't have the time for this. This is too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking about this. For whatever reason, I wasn't ready for doing it.

And then we started doing some stuff on Justin. tv and then we eventually went to you stream and then it went to itunes and youtube because it was a very obscure space back then there was like well there wasn't many people even thinking about it but it was still kind of but it was 100 inspired by you 100 it was inspired by you and inspired by opie and Anthony. You because you did it on your own, and Opie and Anthony because they created the hang. And then Anthony Cumia did a show in his house called Live from the Compound, where he would play karaoke holding a machine gun. He had a green screen behind him. It was madness.

Okay. Madness. And he was doing it by himself. He was just having fun, being silly. Right. And he did it, I believe he was on Ustream. I believe Live from the Comp he was on ustream i believe live from the compound was on ustream and he had beer taps in his house so he'd be drinking guinness

on tap singing having a fucking party and uh he was doing that all on the side and then serious xm decided they didn't like it because he was on the Opie and Anthony show. And they were like, listen, you can't do that too. And he was like, but it's just an advertisement for my show. It's not hurting anybody. They didn't want him to do it. And then it became like a big sticking point. And then eventually he wound up doing Compound Media.

But Live from the Compound was the original show. So those are in order the things that influenced me to do the podcast. Number one, your show. Number two, Opie and Anthony. They're both interchangeable because they're both around the same time. And then after that, live from the compound. Because I remember seeing that going, oh, okay. Because this can be done way cheaper than what Tom Green is doing.

I'm like, what Tom Green is doing is requires businesses to get involved. But what live from the compound was doing on Ustream, he just spent a lot of money and developed his own studio. He put his own green screen. He had his own professional microphones like this kind of set up. But he did it all. He was the pioneer. Anthony Cumia was doing it in his house, in his basement,

way before everybody else. Why do you think it is? We just happened to be on the edge of the time when it became like, oh, there was an opportunity to actually speak out and have your own opinion, right? Before that. Well, also we got super lucky with platforms. Like you didn't get super lucky, but I got super lucky that I met you. And I'm not bullshitting because you decided to do it yourself.

Yeah. And I remember thinking like, oh, this can be done. Like you have to sometimes see someone do it. Yeah. See someone's house where you had your living room with fucking all these cables run from these servers all the way to your machine. I remember that. I was like, oh, my God, this is nuts. It's like my van right now, by the way.

It was like a TV studio. You got to come check out my van, man. If you go to film. I got cables in the van. I believe you. I'm running cables. I'm proud of the way the cables are running the van if you were going to the camel show yeah we're watching how they film it there's cables on the ground there's cameras they're on dollies and people moving shit around like your fucking house looked like a set and i was like how he can do it himself then i'm like i remember thinking this is not ready yet but there's going

to be something that that happens out of this and i remember thinking look i remember we talked about it there's a video of you and i talk about it saying you're right like you got it nailed me i'm sitting on your couch and i'm like tom green you're doing this right fuck all these executives and all these people telling you what to do and what to say. They get in the way. The people that are important, the folks at home, what they want to listen to is what's coming out of your mouth. Whether you're right or wrong, whether it's good or bad, they want it to be you. And as soon as you have a bunch of people chiming in and a bunch of fucking people that aren't even talking about writers or creative folks. You're talking about business people that are doing it just based simply on whether

or not they want to keep doing this successful if you want to keep doing this you want to keep being you know you were the first guy to figure out how to do it without those people and i remember sitting in your in your living room right by your desk going whoa all right i remember thinking look at this tom green figured it out and i remember thinking this is going to be a path but it wasn't ready yet not enough people have the bandwidth to watch it not enough people understand what it is it was a small window

but it made me very interested I'm pausing for a moment and I'm bringing myself back to that time and I remember that day back to that time. And I remember that day. Like, it's so cool, man.

How long ago was that? It's a long time, my friend. How long ago was that? 17 years. Yeah, that's cool. I remember being in there. It was cool. He's got it. He's got it.

He's figured it out. You came up, and there was like, you know, you talked to Entertainment Tonight or something. Yeah, that's right. They were there, and I was like you know you talked to entertainment tonight or something was there yeah that's right they were there and i was saying that it's the future video on entertainment tonight from like 19 what year was that 19 well it had to be 2003 yeah right there's a video video that's it that's it that's my house that's my living room right there let's hear that's what i'm talking about this is my living room right there. That's what I'm talking about. This is my living room. I was talking the same stupid shit even back then. That's my living room.

That's still my house today. Wow. Look at your house, dude. I made them eat my own poo? I don't have a TV studio. Maybe I blacked out. I actually tried watching an episode of Fear of Fatigue.

I threw up watching it once at home. I bet you it was the same episode. Probably not. Dude, this is basically a podcast. We were doing a podcast back in 2003. Really early. Yeah, so. Dude, this is you and me 17 years ago.

Oh my gosh. Wow, holy shit. That was you? I didn't even recognize you. Beautiful dark beard. Look how dark. I look so silky smooth. Yeah, there you go.

And you said all the school stuff and you were like, you know, you were hosting Fear Factor then, I think, right? Yeah, I just started doing Fear Factor. Yeah. But I remember thinking when I was there, like, you got it nailed. But that's still my house. You can't play it because if you play it, like, it'll get pulled even though it's me talking.

No, no, it's probably Access Hollywood. It's probably their video. That photo, that older gentleman in the background, I took that photo when I was in college. Who is he? So when I was in college, we had to do an assignment, go take some photos. So I went out in the streets of Toronto. You just met that gentleman? Yeah.

It was in the city of Toronto. Do you remember his name? I do not. I know. He was one of... Want to call him something? Want to call him Harry? Let's call him Harry.

Harry. Thank you, Harry. No, but I just took... Oh, look. There you are, Joe. Look at you, fellow. Look at your place. That's cool. Look. Harry. Thank you, Harry. No, but I just took... Oh, look, there you are, Joe. Look at you, fellow. Look at your place. That's cool.

Look at you, TomGreen.com. Look at back when TVs had those big ass pick bezels. That's still my house, by the way. Isn't that funny? That's still where I live. Let the haters and fucking stalkers know. They can still find you. But it's kind of funny that...

It's kind of funny that it was 17 years ago, my friend. Yeah. And here we are. We're still basically doing the same kind of thing. Yeah, it's cool, man. It's so cool, man. I appreciate it. I really do love what you guys are doing.

And Jamie, I'm so glad you're doing good and you're feeling better. Yeah. He felt bad for about 14 hours. Yeah. And even then it wasn't that bad. I'm glad you're not feeling too bad. Despite what Donnell Raw i'm glad he's lucky feeling uh despite what donnell rawlings thinks he's very strong very fit yeah yeah did you and and inside joke tom green

slipped right by you no but he but i'm glad i'm glad he's doing he's great yeah he was only sick for a little bit that's we didn't even think he really had it. We thought he had some sort of allergies. Yeah. Got lucky. My gosh. Well, listen, this is amazing. Tom Green, stay gold, pony boy.

Joe. It's always good hanging out with you, my friend. And again, thank you for everything. Thank you for being one of the most important initial inspirations. I love you, Joe. I love you too, Tom Green. I love you. I love you too. I really do. I love you. Joe. I love you too, Tom Green. I love you.

I love you too. I really do. I love you. I appreciate it. You've always been a good guy. Always. I've known you for two decades now. You've always been super cool.

Thank you. Thank you. My pleasure. I appreciate it. We've known each other a long time, man. That's kind of crazy when you stop and think about it. Yeah. It's a long time, Tom Green.

But I appreciate you very much. and everything i'm saying is sincere you you you were one of the most absolutely important inspirations for me well you know you did it to last act joe rogan you did it dude before anybody and i'm glad you're still doing it so tell everybody about you knew your your podcast you're doing right now yeah i can go the tom green interview google that in quotes the tom green interview that's going to bring you directly to the current show that i'm doing and it's um and i love i love first of all i love what what you do joe i love what you do i love interviewing people i do really love sitting down with somebody it's fun right talking to them and getting into their mind and asking them what they're up to and how they think and really getting into it.

So I love it. And so I just said Kenny Hotz is on my show this week. Kenny Hotz from Kenny vs. Spenny, one of the Canadian legendary... This is all on TomGreen.com? Yeah, it's on And so this is on TomGreen.com. Is there any links to the videos that you do? The van life videos on TomGreen.com? Yeah, they're just all

If you go to my YouTube channel, just go to YouTube.com slash TomGreen Just go there. That's where I'm putting all the all the radio stuff. This was a nice long one We did about four and a half hours I think, right? Yeah. How about that? Four and a half hours.

No peeing. How long was it? You know my four and a half hours, dude. What? Yeah. You got brain damage. He got hit in the middle of the podcast.

One of those whiskey shots, his fucking clip. And he woke up in the middle of the fight. Like what round is it? All right. Four and a half hours. Tom Green. All right.

Well, listen, I take a lot of supplements. I can burn through alcohol pretty fucking quick, son. Glutathione, liposomal glutathione. What's that? What is that? It's a very powerful antioxidant that allows your body to process alcohol more quickly. Okay. Luda.

Wait, wait. Glutathione. You want liposomal glutathione so that your liver is like, ah. There is actually, no, all bullshit aside, there's actually a doctor that I'm very good friends with, Dr. Mark Gordon, who brought it up on a podcast, and some guy tried to dispute it. We wound up Googling it.

It turns out liposomal glutathione, glutathione in particular, liposomal is just a different liposomal is controversial in that there's some people that don't believe it's a more effective way of getting glutathione into your system but some people think it does i'm not qualified to have that argument but i know that glutathione has been shown to help your body process alcohol more quickly how How much more quickly? That's up to debate, and I don't think there's ever been any real long-term peer-reviewed studies on drunks where you give them glutathione,

you give their twin glutathione, and you find out who recovers quicker with the same amount of food in their body, same amount of rest, same amount of stress in their life. in their body, same amount of rest, same amount of stress in their life. Yeah. Yeah. So, but allegedly glutathione, all those caveats and disclaimers aside, glutathione helps your body process alcohol more quickly. That's true, right?

Glutathione. Yeah. Glutathione. Glutathione. I think it- Glutathione. I want to say it's an amino acid. Glutathione? What the fuck? Glutathione. What is that? What is glutathione I want to say it's an amino acid Glutathione What is glutathione

It is It's an antioxidant That's what it is What is it Jamie Oh the recording stopped We went too far We broke the show Tom Green How about that

Is anything recording right now It's back It just hits a limit the show, Tom Green. How about that? Is anything recording right now? That's right. It's back? It just hits a limit once we go to break. We broke the show. The show has gone so long. Tom Green and I broke the show. Glutathione is an antioxidant in plants, animals, fungi

and some bacteria. I don't know what that word is. Archaea? Archaea? Archaea? Anyway. Glutathione is capable of preventing damage to important cellular components caused by reactive oxygen species such as free radicals, peroxides, lipid peroxides, and heavy metals.

Glutathione. Can you Google glutathione and alcohol? Glutathione. And hangovers. That's the thing. I think glutathione is supposed to be a really good thing to take when you're in the middle of recovering from a hangover. That is wild stuff. Wild stuff.

Alpha-lipoic acid. Alpha-lipoic acid is a potent antioxidant. On its own, it helps your body produce glutathione. Take about 400 milligrams before you start drinking. Acetylcysteine NAC is a precursor to glutathione and a great nutrient for liver support. Take 600 milligrams of NAC before you start drinking. Those are like dedicated drunks. They're like, before I start drinking, I'm going to carb load.

I'm going to fill up with liquid. A buddy of mine drank with Jean-Claude Van Damme once. Wow. And he said Jean-Claude Van Damme would drink, but he would bring a gallon of water. Uh-huh. So he had a gallon of water with him. Uh-huh. Like a giant jug of water.

Oh, nice. So he would drink, and he would take a jug. So he knew how to like. Yeah. He said he was super impressed. He was like, whoa. Like, this guy is a professional partier. So he would be drinking,

but he would also... Downing this gigantic bottle of water. He kept pissing. That's all you got to do is hydrate. He kept hydrated the entire time. He said he was so blown away by it. He's like, I can't believe this guy. Why did nobody ever tell me that?

You didn't hang out with Jean-Claude Van Damme. Oh, my gosh. You got a party with JCVD. The amount of nights you could have probably survived if you just drank a little more water. Here's something embarrassing. You know the Volvo commercial where Jean-Claude Van Damme does the splits between two trucks?

I don't know if that's real. And I've questioned whether or not it's real. But I know it's not real. I know they would never spend they would you know how much money you would have to But the concept is real.

I'm sure he's really capable of doing the splits. No but it's the idea of it's probably almost better than the ability to do it. No.

Thinking of it is cool. No it's crazy. You're trusting your life to these two trucks and then they gotta push together. Get the fuck out of here. You don't think

he did that? I don't think he did that. Oh no i think if he fell he'd be a dead man are we breaking news right here i think if he fell he'd be a dead man and i don't think they would ever do that without a harness i just don't believe it really i think it's cgi but wow he's most certainly capable of doing that if the trucks could be so specific in their movements that they never separated and then he had time to strengthen his legs at like 50 plus years of age i don't have a video of it but it says there's a wikipedia three days of rehearsals was made in one single take he was protected by a hidden safe i believe it happened hidden safety harness okay well i thought it happened but that makes sense the hidden safety harness now i believe it he's definitely capable of doing it have you ever seen it yeah i watched it yeah let's watch one i thought it happened, but... That makes sense. The hidden safety harness, now I believe it. He's definitely capable of doing it.

Have you ever seen it? Yeah, I watched it, yeah. Let's watch it one more time. I thought it happened. Let's end on this. Well, now we know it did happen. They just hid a safety. They probably CGI'd the safety harness or something.

But he's most certainly capable of doing those kind of splits. Yeah, absolutely. Look at it. They're going backwards. Oh, they're going backwards. Where's the safety harness? I wonder. No, you definitely can't see it.

There's also a little platform you can't see, I think, where his feet are on to help that. Oh, okay. That don't exist. Oh, okay. What's Globetrotter? What is that? That's the... Oh, that's cool.

So they're very, very slowly moving backwards. 25 miles an hour. This is a cool shot, actually. But look at this. Look at this. This is very cool. Very, very, very, very cool. Check this out. Look how they spread. That's right where my balls break off and fly away. That line, see how they're marking it? Look at that. Can you believe that?

I know, but the fact they're doing it going backwards, that's bananas. Yeah. So he's not, his weight is not being supported by his ankles there. That's the only thing that's preposterous because it seems he has no strain at all. It's not preposterous that he could get into that position but there's a difference between getting into that position and doing it in between two chairs like people do it in between you don't think that's real no you can do it you can do it in between dude chairs okay people can do it they've definitely done it do you think that's real i think he definitely did it he's definitely capable of doing that i think that's real i think he definitely did it he's definitely capable of doing that i think he was supported supported by some sort of a safety harness the question is

okay whether or not that's still the image you're looking at is him yes supported by a safety harness yes 100 and then cgi'd out or uh whatever like Chromakeyed out or whatever the hell they fucking call it. The safety harness is just so he didn't fall, they're saying. Jamie's saying. I believe that too. I would imagine it would take a little bit of weight off. And I think that would help his ankles. The PR guy said the stunt is real.

The PR guy can eat a whole bag-o. He can eat a whole bag-o. He can eat a whole bag-o because, you know, PR guys are always honest. The point is it's way more difficult to support yourself in that position if you're being held on each ankle. If all your weight is being pressed, he's probably 170 pounds or something like that. All his weight is on both of those ankles out extended like that. That's very difficult to do. It's not easy.

So for him to just be sitting there all calm and stretched out like that and do it over a long – I've seen people do it in between chairs, but they don't do it for very long. It's not something you want to do while two trucks are driving. This is just what they're saying and everything I can find, that his feet were not connected so there his feet were able to be moved and that harness was only in case he fell and they did it they only did it that one time well i mean if he has enough support again if

they only did it for a couple of seconds he has enough support where his ankles i mean he don't he 100 can do that and has done that his whole life where he suspends himself in a split over two chairs a lot of guys do it my only question would be like how long can you hold that that spot i'm good dude how long can you hold that spot have you ever seen a guy do that a little more one a little more one more tap no you drink a whole bottle of whiskey just a little a little sis so i don't know no okay how have you ever seen those videos where people do that yeah i was gonna say that maybe that if they would have said it's a camera trick and it's just high speed and they just slowed it down no you got a little oh you got you have some more yeah

that was one more okay one more time that's all i'm saying time footage seems like it was real no i'm sure he can do that if they really did do that with those two trucks, that's even more impressive. I assume that they CGI'd it. Still Austin. That is so good. But I assume that he did do the splits. I finally found the making of them. Let's see if I can find them. Oh, my gosh.

I'm going to end with this. Shout out to Jean-Claude Van Damme. Oh, my gosh. Doesn't show it. That's it. Top Green. It's over. Show's 18 hours long.

People falling asleep at the wheel joe i love you buddy i love you too and and i honestly i i really do want to say um i i'm so proud of you and congratulations you just done some amazing it's just amazing to see how great this is you're doing and i love you man i love you too buddy and i appreciate i appreciate you like yeah yeah you know being being cool all these years i appreciate you being cool too every time i meet you you've always been cool and you have with me as well man and that's why we're we're good friends to this day and and again thank you because you're you're doing your show was one of the very first things that inspired me to do this. A hundred percent. Absolutely.

You're the fucking man. Tom Green, ladies and gentlemen, check out his Tom. What is it? Tom Green podcast interview. And, uh,

and of course the van life, which is on YouTube. Tom Green, Tom green.com. Much respect, my brother. Love you. Goodbye,

ladies and gentlemen, and non-gender non-binary people. Hey everybody.