The Joe Rogan Experience - #1570 - Willie D & Mike Judge

Episode Date: November 25, 2020

Rapper, songwriter, and entrepreneur Willie D is a founding member of the classic hip hop group Geto Boys. In addition to his music career, he has been a candidate for public office, written for a widely-read advice column, and is a former Golden Gloves champion boxer. https://www.youtube.com/c/WillieDLive Mike Judge is a writer, director, actor, and filmmaker. He's the creator of Beavis & Butthead, co-creator of King of the Hill & also Silicon Valley, and director of movies such as "Office Space" & "Idiocracy." **The 2nd half of this video is AUDIO ONLY. No video is available due to a hard drive error.**

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! Willie D and Mike Judge together at last! Good to see you, man. Absolutely. You're the first guy in the studio to bring his own headphones, the first guy ever in 1,500 shows.

Is that right? Yeah. Oh, man. Well, you know that wet as a wheel, that's a weight. Well, they fit, too. They're unique. Right. And, Mike, you just happen to be rolling with Willie, so you're here today as well.

Yes, thanks for having me. My pleasure, man. I wanted to get a hold of you and find the good spots in Austin anyway, man. You've been here for a long time, right? Yeah, since 94. And I'd come down here a lot before that lived in dallas what's going on with beavis and butthead uh it's uh it's coming back it really is yeah in fact that's why i'm gonna have to split in a little while for some zoom meetings but uh yeah no it really is yeah we're doing uh i think it's going to be good.

Dude, I was a gigantic fan of Beavis and Butthead. Right around the time I started smoking pot was when I really got into Beavis and Butthead. At the same time. Yeah, we had a lot of stoners that liked it. Also, a lot of people talking about it, like watching it after you come home from a bar, that sort of thing. Yeah, it was one of the silliest shows ever. It was ridiculous. Now everyone will be drinking at home and getting stoned.

Well, you always get stoned at home. And Willie. You'll be stoned everywhere, right? I've been a fan of the Ghetto Boys since the very beginning. So when I first met you in Houston, I rarely geek out. But when I met you, dude, when I used to deliver newspapers, I used to listen to the Ghetto Boys while I was delivering newspapers. I didn't know you delivered newspapers.

Yeah. We got something in common, man. We got something else in common. You did that too? Well, I delivered newspapers and I also sold Door to Dust subscriptions for the Houston Chronicle. No kidding. Yeah. I did the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald.

When did you guys start? When did the Ghetto Boys start? Austin Herald. When did you guys start? When did the Ghetto Boys start? The incarnation that everybody know right now is myself, Scarface, and Bushwick with Ready Red. We started in 89, but the group actually was formed in 87.

Wow. That's a, man, 1980. Because you got to think, like, when was Sugar Hill Gang? That was 81? That's like 83. 83. 81 83 83 yeah dude you no no no more than less than oh no no sugar hill get 79 yeah that was wow yeah high school yeah 79 so you were there in the earliest days of hip-hop yeah that's an amazing thing to be a part of like when an art form emerges you know there's like how how many people can say that they were there when an art form emerged yeah as a fan i was like because i was into blues but that was all before i was born and then and

then when this stuff was happening while we're alive watching it it was just really cool to see i was in uh jamaica plain i was uh i guess i was in like seventh grade or something like that and jamaica plain was a suburb of uh of boston and i was in school and some kid had a beatbox that he brought to school and he was playing sugar hill gang i've never i'll never forget this i was like wow that's different yeah and that was the beginning. Man, that sugar here game, man. I remember I used to play football for Hester House.

It's a community center in Fifth Ward. And I used to play for the Houston Cowboys. Go figure. Right? So we played in the Astrodome. That was a big deal, you know? That's what a Houston Oilers played at. And so I remember being on the bus and the whole team singing that song.

They played the song and everybody was singing it word for word. That's my greatest experience when I think about that song. Like everybody knew every single word. I mean, you had to know the word, every single word to the song, or else you wasn't cool. It's kind of like knowing every single word to Mo City, Don Freestyle, you know, by Zero in Houston. Like, if you don't know that song, you're not a Houstonian.

I'm not aware of it. Yeah, it's a song by Zero. that song? What song is that? You're not a Houstonian. I'm not aware of it. Yeah. It's a song by Zero. Zero, he's done some collaborations with Ghetto Boys, but he stands on his own. He's huge throughout the South, mainly.

Do go platinum in the South by itself. Just the South. Zero, if you're not up on it, man, get up on it, man. I'll have to get up on it after the podcast is over. Yeah. I will most likely get up on it. Yeah. Yeah.

But you were there when hip-hop was also getting censored, too. Remember the Tipper Gore days? A lot of people don't remember. Al Gore's wife. Tipper Gore, I can't stand you, girl. Don't get your head knocked off like Daniel Pearl. From what I hear on the streets you a big old freak what gives you credibility to peterborough police sharp as a crease impetuous

as of as the middle east sit on you what what okay i forgot hey but i had it man i had it for a moment people forgot that al gore's wife was trying to censor hip hop. A lot of times people think of the right wing as being the people that try to censor speech. But back then, it was Tipper Gore that was on this mission. What was it? Parents for music something censorship. Yeah, there was morality in media. Yeah, that's right.

They went after Beavis and Butthead too. Well, then they went after 2 Live Crew. That's when things got serious because that actually went to court. That was crazy. People that don't remember, there's some people in this country that are on they were on the front line of censorship and two live crew was one of the big ones yeah like they they went to court in florida broward county and broward county they could they have crazy laws in florida they put people in jail for all kinds of weird shit and they just decided that that was obscene

yeah yeah they they made that move on us. Pull this forward a little bit so I can. Forward? Yeah, just so it's not on your neck there. There you go. Yeah, so, yeah, they tried to make that move on us. And we were defiant to the end, man. Like, I remember going to one city and we stood on stage and it was like, yeah, y'all can't play.

Because we had planned on going. This was in Florida. I can't remember exactly what city it was. But we went there and our goal was to play no matter what. We was going to rap our lyrics exactly as they were. And we get there and then they say, well, the city has changed their mind. You can't play at all.

So they got us on that one. So you had to shut down the show? Yeah, we couldn't do it at all. The Ghetto Boys was the first group to have a manufacturer decline or to say that, you know, decline the distribution of our music. Really? It was the first group in music history where a manufacturer said, we're not going to press. Which album?

That was the Ghetto Boys self-titled album. Wow. Yeah, that was 92. That was the Rick Rubin remake. So we did the, it was the Grip It On That Other Level album, right? So it was like a remake of that with two extra songs that Rick Rubin produced. And the other songs were like songs that he kind of just kind of remixed a little bit, but they had the same sound for the most.

So sonically, they were pretty much the same, but there was two new songs added. So that's when we changed the name of the group to G-E-T-O, the spelling of the group, G-E-T-O from G-H-E-T-T-O. But yeah, you know, the funny thing was that, well, it wasn't funny at the time, but, well, it still ain't funny. You know, this Geffen Records, David Geffen, he decided that he was not going to distribute our music,

but he was cool with distributing Andrew Dice Clay and Guns N' Roses. And you know what type of music these guys was doing at that time. We talking about 1990. You know? So, of course, I mean, we

was like, yeah, man, this is censorship and we know why. Wink, wink. You know? We know. Yeah. You know, so we hit, that's when we came with the We Can't Be Stopped album. That album cover.

Yeah. Jesus Christ. When you see Bushwick Bill with a patch over his eye in the hospital gurney, and you guys are rolling with him behind. And that's the album cover. Look at that. Yeah. I mean, come on.

That is classic. Yeah. That is a classic album cover. I mean. You can't be stopped. And Bushwick's on the old school cell phone. The brick. And that's done.

That was done like totally spontaneously. Wow. We didn't, we, it was totally unplanned because we had finished the album and then Bushwick gets shot. And this was, this would happen a lot with,

with Bill. Like Bill could get a job done. And like, if he had something major to do, he'd get it done. But then after you get it done, you you know it's just something starts going on some stuff just does happening so we had finished the album and you know get a call bill got shot go up to the hospital immediately in my mind this is my cowboy Western days me

mind you. I'm thinking revenge. Like, I don't care who shot him. You know, like, let's get him. So I get to the hospital. I go into the room and Bill is laying there and he's kind of, he's dazed, but he's conscious. And he's like, well well don't hurt her

I made her do it so I was like your Bushwick Bill impression is wrong it's so wrong so so that was that you know I checked on him he was good he's gonna survive he lost his eye

but he's going to survive. How did he make her shoot him? He said that they were arguing. This is Bill's version, that they were arguing over something. And he was mad, so he pulled out the gun, and he threatened to throw the baby downstairs. gun and he threatened to throw the baby downstairs and then

he has the gun and the his girlfriend is like they're tussling over the gun and so Bill's like shoot me shoot me shoot me this is what he's saying that he told her so the gun goes off boom

Bill gets shot now knowing Bill like I know Bill The gun goes off. Boom. Bill gets shot in the eye. Now, knowing Bill like I know Bill, I know Bill didn't purposely shoot himself in the eye, have anyone shoot him in the eye. Bill just likes walking on the edge. You see?

He'll walk that edge like, I do it, I do it, I do it. Oh, shit. He shot him in the eye. Damn. he'll walk that edge like I do it I do it I do it I do oh shit damn you know so that's what I believe happened but Bill say you know he made a shooter so get to the hospital and we go downstairs and Cliff Blodgett is there and at the, Cliff is the co-owner of Rap-A-Lot Records. And Cliff say, you know, everybody, you know, we have a little meeting in the lobby and your bill's okay. You're going to survive. That was our first thought.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody just wanted him to be okay. He's safe. He survived. Cliff's like, back to business. Cliff's like, to business Cliff's like okay so what are we gonna do

about the album cover and I said well we can shoot it he alive so so Cliff is like well how are we gonna do that I said

I said man we just go up there and shoot it. He said, well, who's going to ask him? I said, I'll ask him. So I went up there and I was like, Bill. I said, man, we want to shoot this album cover, man. You down? Bill was was like i don't care he's like yeah he said yeah

i went back down and told him it was a go me and brad went upstairs cliff went to his car got the camera we went we went upstairs and back to the room. The nurse put Bill on another gurney. And me and Brad rolled him down the hall. So the nurse was in on it. The nurse knew you were going to. There it is. We rolled him down the hall. And we didn't roll him far.

I mean, maybe the room was right behind us to the right. Whose idea was it for him to be holding the phone? I don't know. But I know Chief was there, too, our road manager. So I don't know if Chief told him to grab the phone or something. I don't know. Was the hat already on him? No, he put the hat on, too.

So, yeah, I think that was Chief's idea to put the props on. But he started rolling down the hallway and Cliff shot the pitch. And that's how you got the cover. Wow. One of my great regrets is not having him on the podcast. He was reached. They reached out. Whoever was representing him reached out.

And I had a, you know, my shit gets, I book it myself. I do it on my phone. So I have months in advance. I'm trying to coordinate shit. And it took a couple weeks for me to find a date. And I got a hold of him again. But then he was sick. He was real sick.

He was in the hospital. And they said he couldn't travel anymore. And then shortly after he died. Yeah, it happened fast. Like once he started, once he made the announcement, his health deteriorated really fast. I think, what was it? Yeah, I think it was. That's one of those ones.

Yeah, it was. It was pancreatic. That's one of those ones that gets you quick. That's a bummer. How did you guys all get together? Very carefully. So I started off as a solo artist I was writing some songs

for the Ghetto Boys new album this is the first well not even the first incarnation of Ghetto Boys but this is like one of the incarnations so the group has changed members several times.

But by the time that I wrote these songs for the group, they had changed members maybe about three times. So Jay asked me, Jay Prince asked me to write some songs for the new album. And I wrote, Let a hoe be a hoe and Do It Like a Geo. Prince Johnny C didn't want to perform those songs.

Well, he didn't want to perform Let a Ho Be a Ho. He was married. By the way, I quote that. I told you when I met you. I've said that on the podcast at least 30 times. Whenever someone says something, let me quote the great Willie D,

you gotta let a hoe be a hoe. Real talk, man. That go a long way. And that's male and female. Yes. Yes. True. I'm glad you said that.

Yeah. So, I write songs. Jay give them an ultimatum. Look, man, y'all perform these shows or go solo. But this is the direction I'm taking theum. Look, man, y'all perform these shows or go solo. But this is the direction I'm taking the group.

Prior to that, the first incarnation of the Ghetto Boys had more like a run DMC style of rap. Jay wanted more Southern, H-Town, Houston experience. So that's what I gave him. And he liked it. The people around him liked it. And he decided, I'm going to take the group

in this direction. So, when he gave him the ultimatum, Johnny C decided that he didn't want to do it. But he did perform on the original Do It Like a G.O.

Jukebox decided that he wanted to do it. So the first day of going into the studio to create this new group and this new sound, I didn't know Brad Scarface. I didn't know him at all. I had met Bill before because me and Bill had a run-in before. So I had met him before. Well, I didn't really meet him.

What kind of run-in? It was a physical altercation. I've heard all these stories. That's so good. But that happened. And, you know, that was water under the bridge as far as i was concerned we're jay comes to me one night and i'm kind of skipping around the place because i got it i'm trying to piece it together so you can make as best as i can for it to make sense um okay so jay comes to my house one night he said said, look, man, I got an idea.

I want you to be in the Ghetto Boys. I guess this is when he's having this problem with Johnny C dropping out. He's trying to figure out what he's going to do with the group. So he comes to me one day. He said, I got an idea. I want you to be in the Ghetto Boys. I said, no, I don't want to be in no group.

And he was like, see, man, you know, this is what I want to do I said yeah I want to be in a group and he was like well do it for me so I looked at it like Jay was investing in my dream of becoming

a rapper so when he said it like that, he convinced me. And I was like, okay, I'll do it. But after I do it, I'm going back solo. So my time in the Ghetto Boys was supposed to be temporary. All alone. So I agreed to do it. And he told me, he said, I got this other boy on the south side named DJ Action.

That's who everybody know as Scarface now. He said, I got DJ Action. I want to put y'all in the group. You, Scarface. I mean, well, he said DJ Action and Jukebox. Y'all be the new ghetto boys. So that's the group. He come to pick me up.

He's in an Astro van. Scarface is in the, Scarface, aka DJ Action, he's in the van. Beto, his producer, is in the van. Ready Red Eye DJ is in the van. Bushwick is in the van because he's hanging out.

You know, that's J Buddy, so he's just hanging out. And I hop in to see if I'm missing anybody. So Jay, Beto, Brad, Bill, Red, Jukebox and me. We're all in the van, we're going to make this album. We don't even know the title of the album. We just finna go make an album. We go out even know the title of the album. We're just going to go make an album. We go out to Jay's ranch about an hour from my house.

We get there, and I think the first or second night, Jukebox decided that he was going to quit the group. Now, from what I understood from the conversation was that he was having kids, twins or something, or a baby or something, and this woman wanted him to get a real job. So he quit the group. So now we decide, okay, it's gonna be me and Scarface.

It's us. At this time, it's going to be me and Scarface. It's us. At this time, he's still DJ Action. So it's me and Action and Ready Red is our DJ. So maybe like the second day or something, I'm in the studio and Red is making music and stuff. And Bill is rapping Public Enemy song. Yes, the rhythm, the rebel. Without a pause, I'm lowering my level.

So I look and he's drinking a 40 ounce too. He got a 40. And a light comes on. I say, let's put Bill in the group let's get Bill to take Jukebox place so everybody start laughing I say yeah see that's what the world gonna do

but they gonna stop laughing when they hear this gangster shit I'm gonna write for them so I said Jay I say let me write something I say if he do it is he in the group and Jay was like man I don't know man

Bill what you think Bill said I don't know but I can try wow I took Bill to the kitchen and we sat at the breakfast and we sat at the breakfast club. I mean, that's the breakfast club. We sat at the breakfast table.

I asked him some questions about himself and I embellished it with what I thought it might be like to walk in his shoes. And I came up with size ain't shit. Three days later, he recorded it. That's how Bill became a rapper, and that's how he became a ghetto boy. Wow, so a lot of people don't know that you were writing all that shit. I was on ghetto boy records.

I would say 70, 80% of everything that ever came out of Bushwick Mouth came out of my head first. It's crazy that you saw him rapping and a light went off and that formed the Ghetto Boys. This is like one of those stories. Yeah. He was only a dancer first, right?

Yeah, see. He would break dance at the shows. Yeah. And so, like, we wasn't, like, Bill actually was opening, like, an opening act for the Ghetto Boys prior to becoming an actual rapper and a member. He was on the cover of the first album, but he wasn't an official member of the group. He didn't have a contract. He was just there for aesthetic purposes.

He was just there for aesthetic purposes. So he performed. I mean, he performed before the group would come out. He would warm the crowd up. He danced, you know. Lil Billy. They used to call him Lil Billy. And he would dance.

And so after he'd do his thing, then the group would come out and start rapping. So that was his role at first. And we wasn't going to have that in our group. We wasn't going to have like a dancer in our group. But once Bill became a rapper, we said, well, let's utilize his dance skills. So we would have parts in the show where bill would you know do a little dancing and stuff but if you listen to that first album that he me scarface and ready red made that album bill is

only on like maybe four songs that's because he came in late and those songs originally wasn't for him that's why he's only on, like I think we did maybe 12, we did 12 songs and he's on maybe, he's on like maybe five songs or something. I can't remember. The Dude Who Quit, what's his name again? Jukebox. How does Jukebox feel about all this?

When you guys blew up, he had to be like, fuck. Yeah, well you know, you to ask him how he feel. But you know, look, I've seen a number of people go through that in this business. I've been in the game 31 years. So I've seen really, really talented people who are not making money initially. It's not happening fast enough. And I've seen dudes not make it in this game because their woman told them,

you need to get a real job. Look, we got a baby. Look, you keep coming back here, you go in the studio, you spend all this time hanging out, rapping and all this shit, you need to get a job. And one of the dudes it was i remember this white white guy he's probably a fan of your podcast uh little kid man uh when i met him he

was like 17 years old he rapped like too short cold-blooded think of it a white dude rapping like Too Short. And he was authentic with it. Dope, dope, dope. So I was going to put him on. And when we had the meeting, he didn't show up. He didn't show up for the meeting. And then he gives me the story, the sob story about his girl, this and this and that or whatever and then so maybe six months later we tried again and then something else came up and then i cut him off after that

so fast forward i seen him about maybe three years after that and he tells me that he's working at some grocery store stocking groceries and he got a baby with the girl but she's gone now so this is a cautionary tale and this is the reason why i'm telling it is because that could have been me when i was 20 21 20 21 22 that was this girl I really, really liked, man. You know, I was dating her and. And she made me work for it. You know, I had to work to get in the dough.

So I liked it. You know, I'd earned it. When I would write, I would put a sign on the door. Do not disturb. And I would unplug the phone. I would give myself five minutes to dedicate toward my craft every single day, no matter what was going on in my life. Didn't matter if I was broke.

Didn't matter if there was a death in the family. Didn't matter if I was in a bad mood. Didn't matter if I was going out that night. It didn't matter. Five minutes minimum that means research planning plotting writing doing something towards my goal I would unplug that phone and she would try to call me and couldn't reach me so one day she we get on the phone she said i think we need to break up because you don't have to have time for me so i tried to explain it to her but she wouldn't listen

but i was okay with it because i had made my mind up well before that that i was not going to let anything get in the way of me becoming a successful rapper. So that meant everybody. That meant any family members, friends, girlfriend, whatever. Because I just felt like that rap was going to last longer. My music, my talent was going to last longer. My gift was going to last longer than any relationship. Where did you get this belief in yourself? Did this come from boxing

because a lot of people don't know you're a really good boxer yeah and i remember there was a we talked about this when i met you that one of the things that i didn't know that you were a boxer until i saw that rapper versus rapper boxing event they put on and you was it marley mar marley i mean meli meli mel yeah forget who it was. Yeah. You fucked that dude up. That was wrong. Like, that was whoever set that up. Well, it was either him or me. I understand, but it wasn't either him or you.

But he had won a bunch before that, though, hadn't he? Hadn't he won a bunch of those? That's great. I'm not sure. But when you watch this, look at the way he's holding his hands. And look at Willie. This is a terrible fight. Like, if I was in the guy's corner, I would have thrown the towel as soon as I saw him holding his hands up.

Well, it wasn't one of my greatest exhibitions, but it was effective, you know? Well, you could tell right away that you really knew how to box. But Mel was unorthodox, so it was kind of like it was it took longer to really like zero in on what I wanted to do with him well he's a big strong guy yeah when you you see him moving you can tell he's athletic and he hits hard and you but you were setting it up wasn't he known for street fights you said or something like it see there's a lot of people that are known for street fights because you're fighting in the, a lot of times you're fighting people that don't actually know how to fight. But me as a person who was a fight fan who had done martial arts my whole life, I was looking at Will.

I was like, he knows how to fight. Like, you could just see by the way you're moving. That's it. Not some good camera work, but clear. Yeah. Yeah, it was a clean punch. So Mel, for like maybe five years, him and his manager would call and say, we want a rematch.

And I was like, you know, like the first one was for charity. You know, I'm going to have to get paid if you want to, you know, you want to get your, you want to get that rep restored, bro, you're going to have to pay for it. I'm not going to do it for free.

But look, when I look back at it, I wish it was somebody else that I had to squabble with, right? Because Mel is a good dude. I like Mel. I like his team. I like his people. They're good people. But for a while, though,

but we was going back and forth. I was like, man, you know, I know what happened, and I know what you want to do. So if you want to get back in the good graces of the knockout artist, man, you're going to have to pay for that. So we never could, you know, work out a number. But you had a legit boxing past, though. Yeah.

What was your boxing history? You'd won Golden Gloves events. 84. Yeah. Texas. Yeah. So you had a legit... How many fights did you have?

32. See? There's no substitution for that. There's no substitution for that. If you've actually been in there 32 times and you got a guy who's good at fighting, I'm sure he's a tough guy but that's a mismatch as a when you had that kind of discipline that had to play a part in your rap career because to get that good as a boxer you got to put that time in when you don't want to you have to grind yeah you know my greatest motivation was just

changing my lifestyle. Because I come from insufficient, insufficient living, insufficient love, insufficient clothing, insufficient housing, you know, insufficient care. Everything was insufficient except the bad stuff. I wanted out. I got to change this trajectory.

I don't like it and I'm not going to bring my children into this world like this. I'm not going to bring my children into this world like this. I'm not going to bring my children and put my children at a social disadvantage. So this is why it was very important for me to get some money first before I started having children. You know, and if somebody is already in that position, then it's already happened and you didn't plan it out the right way. But as soon as you can, you got to get it right. You got to make it right.

Because children don't ask to come into this world. And you bring these children to this world and a world of insufficient, you know, living, and insufficient love is even worse. Because if you got sufficient love, love will make you grind so hard that you'll get it. You know, because once you give life, life is bigger than yours. And them children, you realize is more important than whatever it is that you want to do.

And you look at, and really, when you put that energy into that and you let that be your driving force, you actually become a greater person. Because your motivation is bigger than you. It's greater than you. You may sometimes wake up and don't want to do it. But because you love those babies so much, I got to do it.

Sometimes you might want to snap. Sometimes you want to tell the boss, man, kiss my ass. Go to go to hell you fucking mother you know what i'm saying you want to just go off on the boss and you be thinking about them kids you're like oh now i can't do that right where did you get this wisdom from when you were young and you were you were experiencing these hard times how did you i mean a lot of people make the same mistakes their parents make same mistakes other people around them make it's very few people that dig their heels in the ground and go no no this shit stops with me yeah how did you where did you get the wisdom I just kind of like it was a lot of it was trial and error baptism through fire a lot of it i just i i listen to stevie wonder's music it's very

inspirational stevie wonder music very like very inspirational probably saved my life i watched manly examples like examples of fatherhood, like James Evans from Good Times. Yes. John Amos. I met John Amos at the Comedy Store. Is that right? Oh, he was cool as fuck. Yeah.

Yeah, I hear he's a real cool dude. I need to meet him. That's one of the things, like, that's one of the people, you know, in this game that I'd like to meet one day. He's so down to earth, so natural. When you talk to him, he grabs you, he's laughing. He's great. Yeah. Well, it was him, man.

It was watching his example of fatherhood, his undying love that he had for his children, his wife. He was a man. When you went to the Evans house, you knew it was a man on the other side of that door. You couldn't just come in and do whatever you wanted to do and mess with his family or whatever. It was a man on the other side of that door. Isn't it crazy that sitcoms like that can they can have so much value, even though it's an entertainment show for a lot of people.

You look at that guy and you say, that's who I want to be. I want to aspire to have that kind of family. There's an example of a man, even though it's a comedy. Right. And you're right about that, man. The only thing that I wanted to make sure that I did not repeat was the cycle of not ever making it out because James never made it out.

In fact, he died. You know, he got a new job and went out. I think he got killed. They killed him off like like an accident in the snow. Why did they kill him off? Did he want off the show? Well, they killed him off because he didn't like the direction the show was going in. They, you know, they was doing a lot of, he didn't like the, it had a lot to do with the Jimmy Walker character.

You know, the, you know, quite frankly, it was a lot of buffoonery, right? They thought it was getting too broad, too big and dynamite stuff. Yeah, exactly. The dynamite stuff and all that. He wanted to have more social stuff. He thought that they could continue that trend of making funny stuff but also being socially astute.

And they just couldn't see eye to eye. Well, Jimmy Walker at the time, if you remember, he was a gigantic character. He was. He was huge. He was. That dynamite, that haunted him forever. Because Jimmy became a comic.

Right. And we would see Jimmy at the Laugh Factory. And he was always doing stand-up. And people demanded that he say dynamite. Yeah. It was a trap. Yeah. It was, man. demanded that he say dynamite like yeah it was a trap yeah it was it was man but it was to me the greatest sitcom ever because it's really it really shaped helped shape my life as a type of person

that i became so now along the way you know i was like i said it was baptism through fire I made a lot of mistakes along the way but one of the things that I try to do is not repeat the same mistakes I am not going to ever be perfect I don't aspire to be perfect but what I do aspire to do is learn from my mistakes

and not make the same mistakes oh I got some more mistakes to make I'm gonna make some few more big Oh, I got some more mistakes to make. I'm going to make some few more big ones before I get up out of here. You know, but not the same ones. And I will grow. I will grow. And I think, but I think that I got through, man.

I think I was spared. You know, I think it was part of it was my my will to leave my mark and then a lot of it was luck and then the rest of it was favor but you know I think it's amazing what you're doing because I think what happened with you with watching good times you're you know I know you know this but your social media presence and what you put out there like you're you know i know you know this but your social media presence and what you put out there like you're a man you know i'm saying like you're a man of your word you stand for things and when you when you put these things when you call people out on their bullshit and you call men out on

their weakness you're setting examples that a lot of young guys are seeing and they're they're looking at you as a guy who not just get out not just got out left his mark but evolved right evolved as a man you know when you were running for what were you running for city council and you know you and i had a conversation about it you're like well my past came back to haunt me you know, this is one of the, like, people have to have a past. And a guy like you who has a past is more valuable. A guy who can show people. Like, just because you're fucked up, just because you've done dumb shit or you were in a bad situation when you were younger, that doesn't define you. Who you are now is who you are.

Right. I like to tell people my past don't define me it refined me i like it you see yeah because it's so much that i see i have foresight now so much that i see that that I've seen, I've witnessed, I've done myself personally or, you know, I've been very, very close to the action. And I'm an odds man. I say, well, you know, if you do this, then more likely this will be the outcome. That's why I never joined the game. That's why I never joined a gang.

Because I was like, not that I didn't do anything wrong, but I felt like if I'm going to do something wrong, I trust me to not snitch me out. Best reason for that. I'm going to tell you a story that I've never told publicly. told publicly in the mid-80s, there was some cab killings in Houston. It was killing cab drivers, right? The guys who were involved, who started it,

came to my house first to get me to go with them to hit a lick. We poor, we in the hood. You know, like everybody needs money. Some of us, we're not gonna eat, you know, if we don't go out there and kill something. Not literally kill a person, but kill something, you know, so that we can, that we can nourish we can, um,

nourish our bodies. Right. It came to me, Hey man, look, we're finna go do this. And I look out and I see like, it's the dude that wanted to catch that's, you know, in the neighborhood, that tough guy. And then I look out and I see like three other dudes with him. Oh, hell no, that's too many dudes. You're going to do something. Now, if he wouldn't have had that many people with him,

I probably would have went with him. If it would have just been him and another cat, all right, I probably would have went. I don't know. But he had like three other dudes with him. And the next morning I hear a cab driver, old black dude in the neighborhood where he wasn't from the neighborhood, but they killed him in the neighborhood. And he was the elderly dude.

And they only took like 30 something bucks. And so I know that's what happened, right? So then over the next like maybe three weeks, four more cab drivers get killed. I know, I got a pretty good idea who's doing this, right? Because I'm not the only one that knows it's other people that know these guys and they're talking so there's murmurs in the streets about this happening so then uh they get caught up and each of these guys they end up with

the one that got the less years was like 15 years all these guys were minors except the main one they were 14 to like 19 years old so they end up with a minimum 15 years and the one that got the max was like 40 years

so my life would have been very, very much different. And I walked out that door that night. Wow. That's some heavy shit. So I, yes, I could see a lot of things happening.

Like I can, you know, like experience, you know, I can, I can see a lot of things happening from my own experience, but other people's experience too. And I personally do believe that experience is not the best teacher.

Other people's experience is the best teacher. Because if I see you go out and if you walk around the corner and you come back running back bleeding profusely oh man these guys around just stab me man why would I run my silly ass around the corner what's gonna happen to me right what what's likely to happen to me what could happen to me if I go around's likely to happen to me? What could happen to me? If I go around that same corner, that motherfucker might stab me next. So no, I'm not going around that corner. I'm going in the opposite direction. In fact, get them by me, man, because they might come stab you again and get me while I'm with you. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you can learn

from both, but you can learn the terrible lessons from other people without having to do it. Without ever having to do it. If you stick your hand in the fire and it burn you. Why the hell would I stick my hand in that fire and let it burn me unless I want to be burned? So that's why, you know, these these the gang thing, you know, I could never get with it. I've never been a gang member, so I don't know what these guys be thinking. I don't know what they be thinking, man. But I just don't see an upside to it. It has a terrible retirement plan.

You know, most of the dudes are killed before they're 30, are maimed. They have an extensive criminal history. Their opportunities are severely limited because of the record. People are afraid to do business with them. You know, it's just way too much. And I just feel, I just figure like, you know, well, I'm just too much and i just feel i just figure like you know well i'm just gonna go ahead and avoid that plus i'm a black man in america it's all kind of ways to get killed in it it's all kind of ways to die already all right okay we besides like you know like natural stuff

like natural death diabetes, lupus, you know, obesity, all these type of things, right, that can kill you. Stroke. You got accidents, you know, like get hit by a car or something like that. You got domestic disputes. Why would I say, man man you know what

I need one more motherfucking thing to die to help me rush this death I gotta get there baby I gotta get there I'm gonna join the gang I'm trying to eliminate the things

that can kill me I'm trying to avoid those type of things Why would I walk right into something? But again a lot of people do like what what where did you get the wisdom? Like you've the way you think right now this have you always thought this way where you plot ahead and look at things like you're playing 3d chess I Did to an extent but I got a lot better at it in my 20s,

like late 20s. I got really better. And the reason why I say that is because the true part about it is that there are dudes that are my age that tell me, man, you was like a big brother to me. Because I've been knowing them

since we were like teenagers or early 20s or whatever. And I've always been just a few steps ahead in, you know, seeing what was going on. Yeah. You know, watching, you know. So, but I still had some things that I had to learn. Primarily conflict resolution. Conflict resolution.

It should be taught in schools. I agree. Primarily, conflict resolution. Conflict resolution. It should be taught in schools. I agree. Americans have a big problem with conflict resolution. It should be taught in schools. Any of you politicians out there, y'all want to work on a bill with me? Come on with it. I'm down.

Conflict resolution should be taught in schools. Because I remember being on stage, man, and somebody would like heckle, like, and it'd be, oh, it would be a dude, always a dude, heckled. Like, oh man, da, da, da, da, da, just talking crazy for no reason. And I would jump off stage, knock him out, get back on stage and finish the show.

You know, I would do stuff like that. I mean, once we were in Jackson, Mississippi. Let me see. Statue Limited. Okay, I'm past. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. statute limited okay i'm past yeah yeah okay we're in jackson mississippi and the promoter owes us our back end you know they pay you the front end you know for signing the contract

agreeing to do the show then you show up they pay you the rest we get there it's cars everywhere. It's cars lining the streets. They're all on the grass. We know this is big. And for artists, I don't care how many sold-out shows you do, you love to see the people turn out. And you go like, wow. So this is one of those nights.

Our manager, our role manager, chief comes back to the limo. And this, you know, this was a long ago, long time ago. People were still, we were still riding in limousines. So our manager comes over. He's like, he say, hey man, he say he ain't got all the money. Promoter don't have all the money. I said, what do you mean he ain't got all the money, man?

All these people out here? Man, we like, man, fuck that. I grabbed my like, man, fuck that. I grab my cousin Dre and we go in there. Say, man, you gonna come off that money? At first,

he chuckled. Say, man, at first he chuckled say man hey look here bring that money back here and da da da da he gave us the money we got the money and now everything is good went on the stage and did the show and then left this is me like again cowboy western days

not really thinking like all kinds of things that could have happened in that situation like going back on the stage thinking like all kinds of things that could have happened with that in that situation. Sure. Like, going back on the stage, listen, just going back on the stage, back up, just

taking that money like that in the first place, that's the case. That could be a case. Okay? Then you go on stage, you do the show, we're in his hometown, he could be rallying the troops. Making phone calls, right. When we come out, it's over.

I'm not thinking on that type of level. I'm like, he violated. You get this, and that's it, and it's whatever. Who else want to get it? What would you have done different now? Oh, in that exact same situation, I would try to convince him to pay up. Like he still wouldn't get away with it,

but I would just do it differently. Yeah. I like, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Still, he would have to pay up.

I mean, there's a long history of promoters not paying people. They must pay. They must pay. They must history of promoters not paying people. Yeah, they must pay. They must pay. They must pay because what you don't want to do is you don't want to have, like be in a situation where people owe you money and look man, it's an honest day's work for honest day's pay. Nothing more, nothing less. You know, same way with record contracts and stuff.

I've heard people talk bad about executives and stuff. Well, they didn't pay. Well, you know, what happened to all that gangster shot? That gangster talk you've been doing? Right, right. Well, you can't go get your money? You're not going to go get your money?'re not gonna get your money like i don't understand that right when did you guys meet did you guys meet for office space or did you know each other before

that um it was uh it was after uh through it was after through brad yeah i mean i was a huge fan i put all those songs in office space which actually was The beginning of Office Space when he's in the car rapping by himself is one of the classic all-time scenes. Yeah, I met Mike in 2013 at South by Southwest. Yeah, Brad was in town. I also put Brad in Idiocracy. He's in there briefly. But, yeah, we met 2013, and I nerded out probably like you did.

Yeah. But I just think all these stories are incredible, and yeah, we stayed in touch since then. That's pretty cool. But I'm a giant fan of people who overcome adversity because I think it's not just a testament to your character, but it's a lesson for other people. That's why I think it's so important.

That's why I jumped on uh social media i knew i was risking a lot of disrespect right because people on social media on the internet period can be the most disrespectful bastards ever and you know like they say things that you know they would never, ever, ever say to your face. But they just be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So I knew what I was doing. I knew that that would be people that would just oppose just to oppose. There are people out there that they see you doing it. They want to oppose just to oppose. I knew that there would be people that would try to leverage my history, my past against me. I knew that would happen. Sometimes people do stuff like that because they don't want you to give up information

that could save somebody else. They don't want people to be saved. You think that's true? Oh, yeah. There are some really evil people in the world, bro. When I was younger, I was an idealist. I didn't think that... I knew it was people out there like that,

but I didn't think it was that many. The internet opened it up. It really exposed it. It's some really, really bad people in the world. There's some bad people in the world. Very... You know how they say hurt people hurt people. Yes.

Right. Yeah. So a lot of these people are hurt. They don't know how to channel that anger into something positive, right? Right. So they just take the easy route and do the negative thing. Yeah. Right?

And they just go like however they feel at that moment. They just respond. Well, when you're in a position like you're in the public and you have that comment section, that's just, it's a honeypot for those kind of people.

Yeah. Just looking for an opportunity to try to get under your skin. Yeah. Yeah. And what I do to them, I try to be as disrespectful as I possibly can. I noticed that.

Look, let me tell you, man. When I say I try to be disrespectful, I try to make them crawl back under that rock that they came from under. But you're giving them attention in doing so. No, no, no. When I. No, no, no. No. When I smash them, I destroy them.

I let them know nobody likes you. You have a hard time getting a girlfriend. Your children don't like you. Your mom and daddy didn't like you. So you come on here and you see people having a good time and you see people are in good spirits and you want to destroy that and make them feel like you're a miserable low down ass. You are an uncivilized mutt. Nobody likes you. And then I block them.

One of them had the audacity to come under a different name and say, oh, you're so Mr. Big Shot, you want to block somebody when they say something back? Look, bastard, you're not going to come up off my name. You're not going to come up, get on my platform and handle me. I got

time. So I got moderators on my platform and handle me. I got time. So I got moderators on my platforms, and I do a lot of it myself too. So when they come, our goal is to destroy trolls. I got moderators like LaShawn and Miss Michie and Lee Lee. You know, man, we destroy them. Miss Chyna. White Chyna. We ain't playing no games, man.

You have to destroy them. Make them feel like the low life that they are. And I'll tell you what's happened numerous times. They'll delete their comment. Sometimes I'll tell you what's happened numerous times. They'll delete their comment. Sometimes I'll give them a chance to do the right thing. I'll give them a chance to do the right thing.

And if they don't do the right thing, if they try to continue on that lonely road, I will hit them with the block. And that hurts them more. Blocking is the ultimate ignoring a person. Ignoring of a person. When you block them.

Imagine somebody block you on their phone. It could be somebody that you don't really care too much about. But the idea that they block you, what did I do, man? What's going on? You're like, who are you to block me?

You know, they don't like it. It hurts them. And that's what I try to do. I try to make them, first of all, just really feel worse than they already feel. And, you know, sometimes if I can get a suicide out of it you know i have the exact opposite approach i don't pay attention to anything i have a what i i think of my time is bandwidth i feel like if i have a hundred units like that's all i have if i'm concentrating on something like is uh the most thing in my life, like having a conversation with my daughter, doing standup, something that's super important that requires a hundred units.

That's all I have. All my bandwidth. Any time I spend talking with some fucking idiot, that's just time I'm stealing from the things I love. There's no time for that. There's zero time. I'm not changing people. I might make them's no time for that. There's zero time. I'm not changing people. I might make them feel bad,

but they already feel bad. Yeah. And you're not going to make me feel bad. I know I am. And that's beautiful. But I feel a butt coming. Well, I'll give you a however.

You don't get the suicide. There's some sort of a conjunction on the way. I'll give you the however. However is just as good. Somehow, you know, however seems to not be as brutal as a but. But is like, you know, like. However's got more comedy, comedic flair. It's kind of subtle.

However. However. I think that it's possible to walk and chew bubble gum right so for me I just I look at it like walking and chewing bubble gum like I I can do both I can I can

give the information to the people that want it and that's cool about it and keep it moving but every now and then I can take a little quick pause and make him feel worse than he already feels. Like, yeah, do, do, block, boop, destroy you. Look, one day, I was at this restaurant in Houston, and this white dude, he was probably about 35 or something, you know, around about that white terrorist age.

White terrorist age? White terrorist. Timothy McVeigh age. White domestic terrorist age. He comes walking up to me, right? He's like, hey, man, you Willie D? And the first thing I do is I take a step, and I'm watching everything. Now I'm really intense.

I lock in on him. And I say, yeah. He say, hey, man, hey, man, I'm the one that was on Facebook, man. You know, you told me my kids were ugly. It's like, I say, yeah, that sounds like something I would have said. I say, but what did you say? He say, oh, man, it's nothing, man. You know, I'm not, I ain't tripping, man.

You know, it was just, you know, social media banner, man. That's all, you know. I said, all right. But I locked in on him a little bit more and, you know, to make sure. But, yeah, I remember when I said that. Like, the dude was talking reckless. So, I checked out his profile. Saw his little kid.

Saw him on there with his kids. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, don't try to check me. Check your baby. Check the DNA for your little ugly ass babies. Oh, my goodness. And it broke him. It broke him. him well most trolls have

private accounts if you see if you ever do pay attention to comments if you go into their accounts most of them block everybody yeah you can't look at their pictures because they know they're out there causing shit it's going to come blow back onto them they're cowards yeah most of them that don't have a picture they have like avatars and stuff like that. You know, they have the cartoons and a picture of a car or something. Yeah. A brick.

I don't even respond to those type of people most of the time. I just block them. I just immediately block them. Because I don't feel like it's cool. It's not a fair game. It's not. It's like I'm putting myself out there. Right, 100%.

You know who I am. You see 100%. You know who I am. You see me. You know where I be. But you hiding. You low key. You are dialed up right now. It's hilarious. You immediately ramped up when you started talking about trolls.

You could see. Did I do that? Yes. Okay. All right. Intense. You got very intense. All right.

You enjoy it. It's real. Oh, it's real oh it's real alright it's interesting that that guy came up that that guy came up to you that's

like he probably felt bad probably felt bad for being a dick people people see a famous person like you and they don't think you're a real person they feel like they get a free shot at like they can just say something

and nothing's gonna happen to them you know this is what people don't understand Joe I love people for real just say something and nothing's going to happen to them. You know, this is what people don't understand. Joe, I love people for real. Just, just on the strength of human beings. I love people.

I love who love me, but I hate who hate me. It's simple. I'm not the religious dude. God forgive. Turn the other cheek. No, that is not me. That is not me. It's simple. I'm not the religious dude. God forgive. Turn the other cheek. No. That is not me. That is not me.

It's never going to be me. And I'm fine with that. People say, well, you should forgive for yourself. How about getting some vengeance for myself? It makes me feel better. That's what makes me feel good. You know?

Well, it clearly doesn't bother you. No, it doesn't. You seem to be enjoying it. Everybody has a different mental constitution. I don't want them in my head. I have too much time. I have too many things going on. Yeah.

That's how I look at it. But I used to engage with people all the time. I used to treat it like writing exercises. I would say, well, let me treat this dude like he's a heckler, you know, and just fuck him up like a heckler. But then after a while, I'm like, well, I don't, this is robbing me of my time. That's how I look at it. But when they come to your platform, you have the ultimate power. It's like having the mic be in a comic.

You know how that go. Yeah. You got the mic. Yeah. The dude in the audience has no chance of winning. Right. No matter what he says, I mean mean you get to drown him out you got the mic yes so when somebody comes onto your social media account you have the mic they cannot

win i understand i'm looking forward to it well he basically threw the bat signal out for trolls they're all gonna come swarming towards Willie D's page now. No, they're not. You know why they're not? Because they don't. Trolls are bullies. Yeah. They're just like any typical bully.

You have to bully bullies. Bullies don't like to be bullied. They don't like hard fights. Yeah. They like easy fights. Right. Bullies only strike when they have a clear-cut advantage right size numbers weaponry yeah and when they think that they have someone

who is afraid it's the only time they strike you have to understand the psyche of a bully you know how i understand that i used to be one yeah i used to be a the psyche of a bully. You know how I understand that? I used to be one. Yeah. I used to be a bully. I was a bully till seventh grade, but I backed up off of it. When did you start boxing? What year? I was 11.

So whatever that was. That's right around then. That's right around seventh grade. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's when you probably figured. listen, I was an angry fucking kid until I started doing martial arts.

And I was around 14. You know, once you, once you can figure out how to get your aggression out and also realize you get humbled, you know, get your ass kicked a bunch of times, get humbled. And you realize like there is no reason to be angry for no reason right and you understand that it's it's almost like you understand that you're gonna have conflict at some point when you do you just reserve all your energy for that yeah you don't waste your energy. You don't waste your resources. It's a such thing as being calculative

and picking your battles. That's what you do. When you box, you don't have anything to prove. Everybody knows you box. Everybody knows you whoop ass. That's what you do for a living. You whoop ass. That's what you do. Everybody knows. You have nothing to ass. You know, that's what you do. So everybody knows. So you have nothing to prove.

And so you want to save your energy. You got a fight coming up. You don't want to mess your hands up. You don't want to mess your knuckles up. You know, you don't want to, you know, you don't even want to get yourself injured in no kind of way. Plus you're tired. You're tired from training all the time.

Yeah. Well, but you can muster up the energy to not fool out if you have to. Oh, yeah. But the point is, when you fight, you know. Like, my hands are still registered. I know what I can do with my hands. I know that I can kill somebody. And so, the liability is much greater for me

than anybody or some regular dude, just a couple of regular dudes in the streets fighting. It's just a regular fight. But if I fight, the prosecutor, judge, aren't your hands registered, Mr. Dennis? And you knew your hands were registered. Can you hold your hands were registered. Do you actually have to go somewhere to register your hands?

Can you hold your hands? Well, they do it when you fight. So when you register to box. Yeah. When you register for a fight. Like pro-fighting. Right. So then they say, okay, you are a professional fighter. You have a higher liability if you enter into some sort of a conflict.

Exactly. Well, if you beat somebody up, for they're gonna go on the internet they're gonna go look at this this fucking this ain't fair yeah it's there's so many people out there that could benefit from learning how to fight and this is a funny thing that i always tell people the best way to get rid of bullies is to teach bullies how to fight like the the problem with most bullies is they're theyies how to fight like the the the problem with most bullies is they're they're trying to boost up their own confidence by intimidating and diminishing other people but it's really they're really lacking confidence if you taught them how to fight they would abandon all that shit the the baddest motherfuckers are very rarely bullies occasionally

occasionally you got some real tough dudes that just enjoy hurting people because they've been hurt so much in their life. Like no matter what, even just learning how to fight is not enough to eliminate whatever bullshit they have rolling around in their head. Right. Speaking of fighting, speaking of old dudes fighting Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr.

This weekend. What do you think of that? Ooh, interesting. Crazy, right? Yeah. I think it's,

I think not too crazy to me you know because i know they're fighters and you know they a fighter is as long as a fighter knows that people want to watch they'll get in the ring if the money is right yeah but roy fought as recently as two years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but that's still, it's still ring rust. Yeah. Not as much as Tyson. Right. Still ring rust.

And so it's going to be interesting, man, because both guys are like not just champions, but they are Hall of Fame champions. Most people that I've heard talk say Roy's going to get ran through. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. I think it's going to boil down to which one of them are more prepared. That's what I think is going to happen.

It's going to come down to who's more prepared. Well, they definitely have different sizes. You know's uh he's a legend they're both legends but roy championed 168 pounds championed 175 beat ruiz at he was about 200 when he won the heavyweight title but he was never really like a big he's not a natural hit right tyson's a tank right this is a physically he's a different person and i don't like that they're switching it to two minute rounds that that drives me crazy but how many rounds is it eight eight two minute rounds well well that just means more action yeah it does but but a guy like roy and one of the things that roy said is that uh he wants to drag tyson out like he's like if Tyson's going to beat me, he's going to beat me quick. He's like, I want this fight to go.

He goes, I want to get him tired. And he goes, and I have much more of a chance to get him tired if he's fighting three-minute rounds. He's like, we're grown men. And I guess the WBC was pointing to Julio Cesar Chavez, I think had a boxing exhibition recently. I think it was Chavez some legend

that was retired that had a boxing exhibition recently and he was real tired and their thought was you know what instead of letting them get this tired let's make them just fight shorter rounds but Roy's like well this is like what women fight the women fight two minute rounds

so it got sexual shit got sexual. It's our sexist, you know, but he didn't, I don't think Tyson wanted two minute rounds either. Yeah. It would have been nice. What's up?

There's some rules. Have you seen the rules for the fight? Well, there's no judges and there's no, no decision. Celebrity judges. What kind of celebrity? They haven't announced that yet.

Oh Jesus. And there's no winner going to be announced. Well, there's going to be a winner. mike tyson connects on roy's face or if roy connects on mike tyson's face and knocks him out any cut any cut bad if it's bad cut it says but the fuck out of here with that it should be a boxing match these are legends they both get a belt when it's over oh no no we can't have participation trophies. That's what it is. But what happens if someone gets knocked out? There's no winner.

What if Tyson... Listen, if Tyson knocks him out, he wins. If Roy knocks Tyson out, he wins. This is nonsense. These guys... Listen, I think to get it sanctioned in California, they had to agree to some stupid shit. I guarantee you, when that ding, when that bell goes off,

that is going to be a fucking fight. Mike Tyson is not fighting any exhibitions. He's going to come bobbing and weaving, swinging death with each hand and Roy Jones Jr. is going to be moving and throwing that nasty left hook and let the best

man win. But that is going to be a fight. I cannot imagine those two legends are just gonna move around like if you watch roy jones jr hit the pad have you seen him hit the pads lately he looks fucking fantastic he's fast as shit his hands look amazing mike looks amazing i mean both of them look like they're taking this very seriously i can't imagine a world where someone doesn't connect and some crazy shit doesn't happen yeah um man this is one of those things man i gotta see it yes that's what i'm saying i gotta see this man well you were gonna go right yeah yeah i was gonna go i was gonna go too then you know they said it

won't be any uh audience members yeah yeah and then And I was going to go down there for the weigh-in and everything. Want to hear something crazy? The distance that we are apart from each other on this table, I was going to make it closer because this new studio is a little more compact. But I had Mike in at the last podcast. Mike's been on twice. He was on once about 11 months ago. And when he was on 11 months ago he said he couldn't

even work out he goes if i work out my ego get ignited and then i'll i just want to destroy again i want to be the mike tyson of all these i don't want to have nothing to do with that that's my past i'm done then he started i think his wife called him fat and he started working out and he goes and i started out with like 15 minutes in the treadmill. Well, next thing you know, I'm doing two hours. So he's doing two hours on the treadmill. He gets in tremendous shape. And then someone says, would you box? He says, oh, I'm not boxing anybody.

And then they go, what about for $30 million? He goes, what? $30 million? And so he decides. Is this today? Is that what they're each getting? That's just a shirt I checked. Oh, wow.

So he lost almost 100 pounds. That's incredible. Yeah, he was probably pushing 300 pounds at one point. Not when I saw him. Not 11 months ago, he wasn't. No, probably overall. No, but 11 months ago, he was probably about maybe 250 or something like that. So he definitely lost about 30 pounds.

So the distance between us is because he was so amped up it was like a different human being the first time we were smoking weed he's relaxed you know he's got tyson ranch now he's selling his own weed by the way strong as shit his weed is like his punches they're no fucking joke so first first podcast we did we got barbecued we had a great time i'm like holy shit i'm getting high with mike tyson second podcast we did he was so intense and we were talking about like great conquerors and shit he was talking about all these different things and i'm like i'm nervous in the room with him like he's so amped up like his forearms you could see his whole body changed.

Like he's got golf balls under this forearm muscle. He had just been training. And you could tell he's like Mike Tyson of old. His mindset, whether or not he's physically capable of it, his mindset is like the Mike Tyson of old. It was legitimately nervous to be in the room with him. Because I was just like, wow, like he's ready. He's ready to go right now.

And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to make my table a little wider. Because if I was even closer to him than this, because this is the exact distance of the old table. But the new table, I was like, I'm going to make it about like a foot closer. But if i was a foot closer to mike like this i'd probably be nervous i'd be more nervous it was actual no it was mike tyson he was so intense i'm like in order for me to do my best job of uh communicating with people if in case i'm across from some you know like amped up killer like mike tyson you know you just naturally i mean it's not like a thing where he's gonna hurt me but you you get nervous i mean he he and jamie said it best after he left you were like that was a totally different person you were nervous too

i wasn't that close i know man he's amped up i'm trying to find this video i'm trying to i'm trying to surprise you with this video man man, if I can find it. Is it of him? No, no, this is something else. He's, yeah, yeah, okay. Mike, thank you very much. Next time, I'll have you come in by yourself. I'd love to.

Yeah. Well, we're going to do dinner at 6 o'clock. Okay, beautiful, beautiful. I'll see y'all later, yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you, Mike. Yeah. All right, Mike.

All right. Mike Judge, ladies and gentlemen. Mike Judge. But yeah, so that's the reason why this table is so far apart. I'm interested because, you know, Evander Holyfield wants to fight him, too. And Evander Holyfield has been steady training ever since Mike decided to come out of retirement. And I've been watching that. I've been paying attention to Evander's social media.

Mike decided to come out of retirement. And I've been watching that. I've been paying attention to Evander's social media. I think that this is going to awaken a lot of sleeping giants. Yeah. Like I can see, because Holyfield was supposed to fight him the first time. Really? Initially, this was supposed to be a Holyfield, Mike Tyson thing, I believe.

Well, Mike said they offered him a bunch of different people, but didn't say Holyfield he said they offered him Bob Sapp okay at one point in time and then there's a few different Shannon the cannon was trying to get in on it you know Shannon was trying to like a lot of people don't want to fight Shannon right um he's got a real hard time getting fights which is unfortunate because uh you know Shannon's still got talent and he's been a real hard time getting fights which is unfortunate because you know Shannon's still got talent and he's been wanting to fight people for quite a while now but you know with this they're all

you know it's this weird situation where I feel like a person should be able to do whatever they want to do if people can go bungee jumping people can ride bulls people can do all sorts of crazy shit like why are we trying to stop legends from fighting? Well, they don't want the liability. Yeah.

Somebody go out there and get hurt, first thing, everybody's going to look for somebody to blame. And the family's going to be like, you should have never let them get out there. $100 million, WBA, WBC, IBF, whoever's sanctioning this. I think it's WBC. They have a weird belt. What is the belt called? It's like some weird name to the belt. Some legends or something like that or something.

Yeah. I don't like the idea of both guys getting a belt. That seems ridiculous. No, no, that's not a good idea. Both guys should get a paycheck, but this should be a winner. Frontline heavyweight title. The frontline heavyweight title. Well, it will be interesting if they decide to do a Legends tour

because it's one of the things that Mike came on to talk about. He wanted to have Legends play basketball, Legends play baseball, Legends like, you know, guys who you grew up watching and they still want to do it. They still want to compete. And maybe they can't compete with young guys, but you can still watch them compete against guys of their era. Yeah, that would be like kind of like what Ice Cube is doing with the Big Three,

the basketball league. Yes, yes, very similar, very similar, yeah. He get the right kind of guys. I mean, yeah, people would watch that. Yeah. But the thing about it is the only difference is that you go play basketball maybe you have a sore back your knees a little swollen or whatever you're going in and getting that ring it you might not come out yes that's true that boxing is something that's a total different beast so i can see somebody getting hurt though 100 i think someone's

gonna somebody will be hurt i think someone's gonna get hurt i think both of them know someone's gonna get hurt you know and uh i think they're okay with that you know roy said on the show that if he dies boxing he'll be happy he said if that's how i die he goes i'm a warrior if if that is how i die he goes that's what i love to do if that's how i die i'll die happy that is what he said on the podcast and he didn't say it to like to be braggadocious or to be full of bluster he was he was sincere i mean he's a multiple division world champion legend who will go down in history is without a doubt one of the greatest fighters of all time.

Yeah. Yeah, I think if you can go on your terms, man, that's the way to go. However. We all go. However that is. Yeah, we all go. And that's how his perspective was.

He's like, we all die. If he dies that way, then so be it. Do you have two phones? I can respect that. No, this is Mac Ola's phone. Oh. I think he's probably looking for it.

Yeah. I was confused. Yeah, I hope no one gets hurt. I hope no one dies, obviously. But I feel like they should have the right to do whatever they want to do. These guys are legends. And you mean, I feel like with Mike Tyson,

you know, his glory days were probably beyond anything that anybody else other than him or maybe some other world champions could comprehend what that must have been like yeah you know for people that didn't grow up during that era like you and i did when you know sports illustrated just sent me the cover of uh sports illustrated back when he was 19. It said Kid Dynamite. Yeah, I saw you post that on Instagram. Because I remember that.

Yeah. I remember I bought that Sports Illustrated. I'm like, wow, 19. This is crazy. And then I remember watching him fight on TV. And I was like, holy shit. Because he would send people flying. Like, people don't remember.

When he was coming up and he would be on television, like ABC Wide World of Sports when he knocked out Marvis Frazier. He was a destroyer. It was like nothing we had ever seen before. Like the heavyweight division had gotten boring. You know, there were some good fighters, you know, but it was boring in comparison to what Mike Tyson was doing. Yeah. Yeah.

He's, in my opinion, like the last great, like really exciting heavyweight. Him and Holyfield. Like I'm talking about exciting. Like every time out. Yeah. You don't know what's going to happen, but you know they're going to give it. They're going to bring it. You get those goosebumps when the first bell's about to ring. Beautiful. It's just beautiful watching those dudes fight. I was never a Lennox Lewis fan. Never. Never. If you met him, you'd be a fan. He's a great dude.

Yeah. And he's thinking about coming back, too. Yeah. They're starting to throw some money at Lennox. What I didn't like about Lennox was that it was just a jab, and then overhand right. Just keep you at bay, keep you at bay, keep you at bay, keep you at bay, keep you at bay, keep you at bay, and then bam.

You know, I just wanted more excitement. Right. You know, like, and I heard that about Lennox. I heard that he's a great guy. But I like to see danger. I want to see something like really like, I like to see explosiveness. I understand. Right.

But he landed, when he landed, it was explosive. But he just played itiveness. I understand. Right. But he landed. When he landed, it was explosive. But he just played it smart. I know. Especially after Emmanuel Stewart started training him. He played it cautious. Yes. But I thought he was too cautious of a fighter.

I just thought he was too cautious. And not even like cautious like Floyd Mayweather. Because Floyd is very cautious too. But Floyd knows how to go in and put on a show too. Floyd is a different kind of cautious in that Floyd can stand right in front of you and be cautious. Yeah. He's got a whole different kind of game. With that shoulder roll and his understanding of movement and where the punches are coming from, Floyd can stand right in front of you and still be safe. He's an unusual dude that doesn't get nearly enough respect.

Yeah. Like the average person that doesn't really totally understand boxing, when you're watching him, you're just hoping someone gets knocked out, those kind of people. You don't know what he's doing. But if you're a boxing fan and you're watching him, you're like, Jesus Christ. He stands right in front.

He's been hit hard maybe four times in his whole fucking career. I mean, it's amazing. I was just watching the Sugar Shane fight. He cracked him. Yeah, he cracked him. But Floyd immediately held on, came back, and started boxing his ears off. Yeah, he recovered. Yeah.

Now, Floyd's a master. He's a master. Yeah. No matter what anybody says about him. I mean, also a master troll. Yeah. No matter what anybody says about him. I mean, also a master troll.

Like, became super famous and super successful by getting people to root for him to lose. Yeah. I mean, that's half of his thing. It's like talking tons of shit, showing you all his money, showing you all his cars, and then fucking up the guy you're hoping is going to beat him. Yeah. Floyd is like, you're right. You know, I never thought of Floyd as a troll, but if he's

a troll, he's a troll that only responds once. You know what I mean? You put it out there, if you don't like what he did, he'll come back, say what he got to say, and then bam, he gone into the

stratosphere to go do something something else big and yeah put that in your face yeah yeah yeah he doesn't he doesn't go back to those old guys right yeah i'm interested to see what he's gonna do because apparently he's gonna come back you know one of the things about floyd is he loves to spend money and no matter how much money you make and he's made over a billion dollars in his career a guy like that even though he's 40 years old he could burn through that which just sounds crazy that you could burn through a billion dollars but when you ever seen his garage it's just bentley bentley bentley ferrari rolls royce rolls royce rolls he probably got a hundred cars each one of them is worth three hundred thousand dollars you start doing the math on that you're like holy shit you could burn through a billion dollars well i think what tyson say he

burned hundreds of millions hundreds of millions yeah so if if tyson can burn through 200 million or 300 or 400 whatever it was yeah i mean it's possible. It's crazy, though. It seems impossible, but it's possible. No, it's totally possible. The way Floyd lives, I mean, I just don't, I mean, who knows? Maybe he leases some of them. Maybe he's very smart about it. Maybe a lot of it is for show, so he gives people the impression that he's going to run out of money. Even a lease on those type of things is very expensive. Very expensive.

That stuff is expensive. Yeah. You know, you've got to think about it i mean you're spending if if you're leasing let's say a 200 000 vehicle yeah you know you're still you're still looking at 10 racks yes you know you know every month yeah yeah yeah when you consider the tax, I mean, not the tax, but when you consider the lease and the insurance on those things. Yeah. You know, you're talking about minimum. Yeah, it's a lot of money.

Yeah. And then he's got watches. His watches are ridiculous. He's got watches that are worth more than a million dollars. Yeah. But also, that's part of his PR. Like, his PR is he's Floyd Money Mayweather. Oh, he's Money Mayweather.

Yeah. Gotta show the money. Gotta show the money. Gotta put the money in their face. Yeah. And he'll tell you, this is for the haters. This is for the haters.

I want to show you this. Right. And he'll like take you on a tour of all those cars. So people that are like, ah, they want him to lose. They get so angry. I was at the Floyd Mayweather. There he is oh this is when mike tyson walked up to him and flexed on him him and mike tyson apparently had had some words and mike had said some uh negative things about him

that's an uncomfortable feeling if you're floyd it looks i've i just googled i thought it happened yesterday this says no it was like 2017 or something. Yeah, I don't know. It was going around yesterday. It was quite a while ago. No. Yeah, it was going around. Tyson has said some things about him in the past.

But I'm interested to see what he does because, you know, Manny Pacquiao just beat Keith Thurman, and that's a respectable victory. That's a huge victory for a 40-year-old guy. Who's that? Manny Pacquiao. He just beat Keith Thurman. He did?

Yeah. When? A couple months ago. Four months ago. Five months ago. What was it? Pre-COVID or during COVID? It might have been pre-COVID.

It might have been like right around march or something like that so uh they're talking about that rematch because you know the first time they fought apparently manny had a fucked up shoulder i still can't not what are you trying to find i can't find what's that oh no what are you trying to find So that was this other match that I wanted to show you. From you? Yeah. Oh, okay.

Yeah. I can't seem to find it. Well, send it to me later and I'll put it up on my Instagram. I will. Okay. I will. Here it is. Conor McGregor versus Manny Pacquiao fight will definitely happen, says manager.

Fuck out of here. What manager? Who says that? Who's the manager? Well, scroll down. Let me see if this manager's full of shit what manager who says that who's the manager well scroll down let me see if this manager's full of shit who is it does it say conor mcgregor's manager oh i mean is this a testament of how bad boxing has really gotten now man no you know what it is back and get dudes that are you know washed up mma fighters you know like that i mean well i won't are washed up MMA fighters. You know, like, well, I won't say washed up,

but got washed by a rival of yours in boxing already. Yeah. And he'll try to do this again. We've already seen this fight. I think it's just for money. Yeah, of course. I think for Manny, he realizes that Conor is such an enormous superstar that if they fight, he's going to make a shitload of money. It is going to be the same thing, though.

Manny's going to beat the brakes off of him. But in the worst way. Manny's going to beat him in the worst way because Manny's going to come storming the gates. Manny's not going to box him until he gets tired and then beat his ass. Manny's probably going to fuck him up from the jump, if I had to imagine.

Conor's a very athletic, very fast and powerful guy. In the first couple of rounds, he's always dangerous just because he hits hard and he's fast but he doesn't have the efficiency or the fluidity like a world champion boxer like a floyd mayweather or a manny pacquiao it's just not the same it's just the idea that a guy with one professional fight ever as a boxer and it's against floyd mayweather yeah yeah that's crazy so then and this would be his second one but it is pretty amazing that he made it to the 10th round that's pretty crazy too

did they go i think it made the 10th i don't think it went 10 rounds i believe it did i think he stopped him in the 9th or 10th round it was quite a while yeah because i remember a lot of people thought that floyd placed a bet that the fight would go to the 10th round because there were some crazy odds. Because Floyd was an enormous favorite. I mean, he was probably like, I've got to imagine he was like a 50-1 favorite or something crazy. What were the odds of the Manny Pacquiao? 25-1?

That's it? I mean, a 1-25 favorite is how you word that technically. That's 1? That's it? I mean, a 1 to 25 favorite is how you word that, technically. That's crazy that that's it. I would have thought it would have been like Mike Tyson, Buster Douglas, which was like 60 to 1 or something crazy. That makes more sense to me. Because like, you know,

Conor could have won. I mean, anything's possible. Weird shit happens when two dudes decide to punch each other in the face. Yeah, you're right. I mean, you're talking about dudes decide to punch each other in the face. Yeah, you're right. I mean, you're talking about two professionals. Anytime you get in the ring, somebody throwing punches. Yeah.

A person always has a chance, even against the greatest. Yeah, it's not a good chance. But it's a chance. But it's a chance. Anything can happen. Because if you throw that punch and you land it in the right place. Hasim Rahman, Lennox Lewis. It's a wrap yeah remember that fight where rockman knocked out lennox lewis and everybody's like holy shit and i remember when he got knocked out too by um when when when lennox came right back yes yeah lennox starched him yeah yeah yeah he said that was one of his finest moments he did

yeah just because it was so hard to get that rematch because Rockman knew that it was not likely he's going to repeat that lightning in the bottle from the first fight. Yeah. Rockman is another good guy. You know, he's another good guy. Tough dude. That's in boxing. You know? Yeah.

I'm talking about like a good person. Yeah. Got a good spirit. You know. Do you still train? I don't, I don't. I don't,

I don't go anywhere near the gym, but I, I do, I hit the track. Yeah. Four to five days a week. Really? Three miles.

Just for health? Just running and stuff. Yeah. Just to clear your head? I think it's important for you. To clear my head is a big part of it, but the bigger part of it is the health. Yeah.

You know, to keep that heart pumping, keep the blood flowing good. You know, stay ready to say I ain't got to get ready. Yeah. You know, never know. Stay healthy too. Never know. Never know?

You never know. Never know? Like you're thinking? Hey, you never know. So if someone comes knocking. You never know never know you never know never know like you're thinking hey you never know so if someone comes knocking you never know willie we'd like to talk to you about an opportunity you never know you never know you never know but you don't hit the bag or anything nothing like that no i don't don't you want to every now and then. But see, I know me. See, if I go in the gym, I start working out, like training and stuff, I'm going to want to spar.

Yes. Once you start getting into spar shape, sparring is different from hitting bags and running and all that stuff. When you get in that ring and you spar, it's a different beast. You can run five miles a day, six days a week, do a thousand sit-ups and push-ups and hit that bag for ten rounds, ten three-minute rounds. You can do all that stuff. You can do your jump rope six rounds, all, three minute round. You can do all that stuff.

You can do your jump rope, six round, all this, you can do all that stuff and get in that ring the first time to spa. And you'd be lucky to get out of this first round. If it's high intensity, you know? Yeah.

You'd be lucky to get out of that first round. You got to breathe. You got to spa. That's how you get in fight shape. You spa. lucky to get out of that first round. You forget to breathe. You got to spar. That's how you get in fight shape. You spar. The gym that you came up in, was it a gym where you sparred hard or was it a gym where you sparred technical? It was more technical because we were all on the same team. And we were young.

So it was actually George Foreman's gym. Really? It was called the main event. His brother, Roy Foreman, ran it. Really? Yeah. Did you meet George? Yeah.

That's a dude I'd love to meet. George, before he made his comeback, I lived on Collinsworth Street, Collinsworth and East Texas Freeway in Houston, in these apartments called Collinsworth Apartments. And right across the street was an empty field where a gas station used to be. And George would be out there on Sundays preaching. Wow. Had a mic, PA system, but 20 chairs two people wow and i used to look down

like look out of the window and i look down i'm like i don't want to be like him i remember when george was 36 and he weighed like 300 pounds and they announced that George Foreman was making a comeback and everybody laughed. Yeah. And I remember he was big, like real big, way overweight and he wound up winning a fight and everybody's like, oh, poor guy. Like, look at him. That's silly.

Well, I'm going to be the heavyweight champion of the world again. And everybody's like, get the fuck out of here. But then slowly he started slimming down and slimming flatlining people and then after and then he fought jerry cooney you remember that and just beat the fucking shit out of him and everybody was like oh my god like george foreman can crush people still at this age and then knocked out michael moore remember that right and that and that michael moore knock, it looked like a flash knockdown. Like this.

But it finished him. It was like this. Thunk. But his hands are like the size of a canned ham. They're enormous. He had crazy power. George always had crazy power. But the knockout of, it's almost like he just threw his arm out there and caught him perfectly on the chin and

dropped more but more was a light heavyweight he was a destroyer do you remember that i didn't watch a lot of fights i think i watched mike mike fight at lightweight maybe twice at light heavyweight michael moore was a murderer he's one of the great light heavyweights ever but it was just too hard for him to make that weight and he wanted to make the money of heavyweight so he moved up and went up to heavyweight but he was never that's that frame it didn't have that that same frame he also seemed to be overwhelmed in that there is he is boom like his eyes didn't have that wheel i didn't see i didn't see that hunger in his eyes when he fought that fight. That kind of power is just

bizarre. When you watch that punch again, watch this again. He was winning the fight too. He was out boxing George. Boom. That's it. That's the way he would throw that punch. Look how he throws it. Just perfect execution lands right on the button and more is gone but he just never had that frame shook up the world yeah but that let me know also that that you can't just underestimate people. No.

Because like I said, I saw the shadow of the former shadow of George George Foreman. You know,

and I was like, man, I'm thinking like this guy was the heavyweight champion of the world. Now there's two people watching him preach. Out on the corner, you know, talking to the air. And then 20 years later, he's worth a billion dollars from a grill. Yeah. That George Foreman grill.

He's made an insane amount of money off of that. You know what, though? He don't get enough credit for inspiring people. Like, I know he didn't set out to go out and inspire people, but people watching him come back and win that heavyweight championship at, what, 40 years old? 45, I believe. I believe he was the oldest person ever to win the heavyweight title.

I believe he was 45. Is that right? To see him come back and win that championship at that age, it made a lot of people think, you know what? I can do this. And I'm sure that probably played out in Tyson and Roy's head. Well, George did it. There's not much difference between 45 and 51.

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. George was a different kind of human being, though, just the way he was built. He's such a tank. Oh, that's kind of crazy. George was a different kind of human being, though, just the way he was built. He's such a tank. Oh, that's right. He had that George sitcom.

Kind of amazing, man. I mean, he really is an American success story when you stop and think about it. That's right. I forgot about this sitcom. It's so ridiculous. It was funny because if you go back to the early days of George Foreman's career like

when he fought muhammad ali he was a scary guy he was scary everybody was terrified of him and then in the later incarnation of his career he was his sweetheart everybody loved him right it's a different human being like when he knocked out joe frazier everybody was terrified of him he lifted joe frazier up in the air with punches he destroyed him right and you know he he just was this guy that was just like brooding sunny liston type character and then he loses to muhammad ali and then he had i think two more fights and then retired it's like i don't want to do this anymore and then took a long time off i think it was about 10 years got fat became a preacher and that's when you saw him again yeah i'm not nuts yeah yeah you can't underestimate

people human beings they vary so much in their will and some people have an indomitable will they just they figure out a way to win and Those people are so valuable to everybody else because you see a guy like that, and when you start to count yourself out like, well, I can never do that. Well, I can never. And then you see a guy like that, and you go, fuck, man, almost anything's possible.

Everything's not possible. Look, I'm short. I can't play basketball. I'm not fast. I can't jump. I'm never going to be in the NBA. I'm 53. I can't play basketball. I'm not fast. I can't jump. I'm never going to be in the NBA. I'm 53. That's not possible.

But there's things that are possible. They're just not likely. And if you have a will, you can make shit possible that most people don't think is likely. And when a person like that does things like that when they achieve these goals they don't seem possible it changes your idea what's possible i like the possibility yes yes i like yeah because we need like how you broke that down but we need winners man winners are important you know it's not not just important because people like to watch people win but important because it gives people hope it gives people uh an understanding that there's there's

levels to commitment you know like you know david goggins is no david goggins is a friend of mine he's a navy seal that is uh probably one of the most inspirational people you ever run into and he's got this Instagram page. And he used to be fat. He used to be like 300 pounds. And now he runs ultra marathons, like runs like these 240-mile races, gets done with them, does 50 push-ups. But every day he's out there grinding, and he'll make these videos

and talk about the thing that's in your mind. Like he made this video. He goes, the other day video he goes he goes the other day he goes i got tired he goes i didn't want to run so i recorded myself and i listened to myself and he goes then i played it back and i sounded like a straight bitch and i'm listening myself well fuck that and i went out and ran and he does this all the time because he's letting you know that there's he's experiencing some internal struggles. Right.

But he overcomes those struggles and accomplishes his goals. And when a person like that does those kind of things, you gain, like the people that are like me or anybody else that's tuning into his page, you gain inspiration from that that's like super valuable. There's Goggins. That's him. That's my man. Check it out. He's like super valuable there's goggins that's my man shake it out he's hilarious too he's a funny guy he's like real honest about like you sometimes i'll stare at my shoes i'll stare at those motherfuckers for like a half hour before i run because he's he's he even though he's got an iron will still those procrastination and doubt and weakness will creep into his mind. And fuck him.

He always wins. He always beats it. But he's letting you know. Like, the battle never ends. It never ends. Right. You never wake up in the morning this indomitable person that can never, no doubt at all, you just get up. No, he's like, no, no, no.

I stare at my fucking sneakers. I don't want to do this. But I do it. stare at my fucking sneakers i don't want to do this but i do it that's so when i hear about a person like that and i feel tired or weak or lazy i recognize i'm not alone this is not the only person i'm not the only person that has these this weak thoughts creep into my mind i'm with that i'm with that because i i go through the same thing. And what's crazy is that I know you hear it like I hear it. People say, man, how do you do it? They think that you are this person that's bulletproof,

like you don't have those moments of self-doubt. Because sometimes that doubt creeps in because things aren't happening fast enough in your life, you know, that you how you want things to happen. And you can't control everything, even being as influential and having the resources that we have. You know, sometimes, you know, certain things that you are just out of your control. And so, you know, you know, you have doubt. Doubt creeps in. And so, you know, you have doubt. Doubt creeps in.

But for me, I know one of the things that makes me push forward, when I'm afraid of something, I go toward it. Because every time that I've been afraid of, like, a challenge, it's made me grow. I grew from it. I learned something. I got something out of it. I benefited from it. Yeah.

So sometimes I'm going in and I say, ooh, man, this is scary. You know how they say if your dreams aren't big enough, you're not dreaming big enough? If your dreams don't scare you, you're not dreaming big enough if your dreams don't scare you you're not dreaming big enough yeah that's how i am sometimes and i dream big so i'm like uh am i scared hell yeah okay i'm on the right path let me just do it i'm just gonna do it and see what happens because you said that people are gonna hear that and they're gonna realize like you don't have to be this bulletproof person get shit done like to be scared is not a weakness it's just a part of being a human being and if you don't ever get scared that means you don't ever take any chances and if you don't ever take any chances you don't get anything done right and you especially don't

get anything done it's interesting right i think it's like it's kind of like you know courage being the it's like that that motivating factor that where you where you uh you know it's like having the courage to face your fears right yeah you know uh i think that's where a lot of people fall off. A lot of people don't have courage to face their fears. I do. When I was growing up, I used to fight all the time. And people thought that I was just like this brave dude.

Man, really, we don't care. He'll fight anybody. He'll fight anybody. He'll fight anybody. It wasn't that. You know, like, they didn't understand. Like, I fought so hard because I didn't want to lose. Sometimes I was scared of these dudes that I was fighting, you know? But I didn't want to lose.

So I fought harder. And where I'm from, Fifth Ward, if you lose a fight, they're going to make you remember that. For life. Yes. Until you do something about it. So if you lose a fight,

typically you have to fight the same person at least two times. Two times minimum. Mostly times, well least two times. Two times minimum. Mostly times. Well, three times. You got to fight multiple times if you beat somebody. Because you can be walking

to the store and you can ask your friend, say, man, let me borrow $5. Man, I ain't got no $5. Yeah, but you got your ass whooped. You know what I'm saying? Oh, they'll call got no $5. Yeah, but you got your ass whooped. You know what I'm saying? Oh, they'll call you out, man.

Like, they won't let you forget it. Right. And so you got to go back and try to redeem yourself. And you might have to take another ass whooping. Sometimes you might take three from the same person because you're worried about what these other dudes are saying about you, man. And it's that it's that pride. And you just so you think a person might even be afraid. But they face that fear, you know, because they don't want.

I think the consequences sometimes are a lot worse. The consequences can motivate you to do things, though. The thing about losing, it's a terrible feeling, but it's one of the best things for you. It's one of the best motivators. If you lose, if you lose, just even lose in a sparring match,

to this day, I think there's times I've been tapped out in jujitsu class that I'll be driving my car. I'm like, fuck. It's out of nowhere. I'll think about a triangle I got caught in. I think about a time I tapped.

Maybe I could have got out, but I tapped early. And it'll fuck with your head. But those are the things that make you work harder. I think about that shit when I'm in the gym. I think about that shit when I'm training. It's like everything being good and all good feelings is actually bad for you. It seems like it's good for you, but it's like eating dessert every day is bad for you. You want to have some uncomfortable. Yes. You can lose your edge when you're comfortable.

You want some discomfort. Discomfort is good. It's good. It feels like shit. And this is what a lot of people can't get past when they're trying to achieve their goals. They have some setbacks. Some things don't go their way. They have some failures, and they feel terrible, and they don't like that feeling, so just they just back off but you got to keep going that's that's when you have to keep

going and you will learn over time that there's a bunch of those you'll have a lot of failures they're going to come right but as long as you keep going you that they will propel you that bad feeling is inevitable it's unavoid, but you have to have faith in the process. You have to understand that that's a part of that. That is the part of the process. Some people never internalize that those bad feelings are a part of the process. So when they try to achieve anything, whether it's physical or a business or whatever they're trying to do, there comes a time where it doesn't work out well and they feel bad. They feel uncomfortable and they back off. You've got to keep going.

Yeah. That lesson is a lesson of failure. You've got to learn through failure. But it's such a motivator because it feels so bad. Like if you lose a fight, you know, I've lost fights. It feels terrible. It feels terrible. But there's no better motivator to get you in the gym than losing a fight.

There's no better motivator to get you in the gym than losing a fight. There's no better motivator to get you to keep your fucking hands up and keep moving and train correctly and fight correctly. Perfect example. I get into the gym after I hadn't been in the gym like 10 years, like since I boxed in amateurs. So I'm in the gym training. I go in, I did all of the exercising that I just talked about, hitting the bags, jump rope and all this stuff, running miles and miles a day. Getting in the gym, I get into a sparring match the first time.

First round. I'm sparring a guy who's a heavyweight. At the time, I'm fighting lightweight. I'm like 175. At the time, I was like one. I wasn't really in shape. I was getting in shape. So I'm like 190.

I'm at 190. This dude is like 225 or something. And he's taller than me. So he got size, reach, everything. Getting in the ring. I'm thinking that he's just in the ring to help me with my mechanics because I know this guy.

We're friends. I'm thinking I've been knowing this guy since high school. Thinking he's going to help me work on my mechanics. Ding, ding. This motherfucker. When I say this motherfucker drug me, man, hit me.

Man, this dude hit me so hard, man. He hit me so many times, I thought it was two people in the ring. Hey, man. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And look, the punches were coming in slow motion. It looked like the punches was, I saw the punch coming, but I couldn't get out of the way. You know what I mean.

You could see it coming, but you can't move. i couldn't get out of the way you know what i mean yeah you can see it coming but you can't move you can't get out of the way fast enough so but i see the punch coming and it looked like it's coming in slow motion it's like boom boom Boom Man after that first round man Head to toe I know you had this feeling before Body just sore

Head to toe Can't even really get out of the ring Fast enough I don't even want to take a shower Man I can't even want to take a shower, man. I can't, damn, I can't move. So, I go home. I'm talking to my dude.

I'm like, yeah, man, this fool set me up, right? He set me up. Because I'm not thinking I'm going to go into a real fight. I'm thinking we're's just gonna move around yeah move around a little bit work on mechanics like he set me up okay now i'm motivated to get him back how old are you at the time oh no this is just i'm like 30. i'm 20 28 28. I want him now. I want him.

I want to get him back. So, for the next two weeks, oh, first of all, the very next day, I'm sore. Head. They had to tell him,

sore, man. And I don't want to get out of the bed. It's 5.30. I normally get out at 5.30, go run. And I don't want to get out of the bed. It's 5.30. I normally get out at 5.30, go run. And I'm thinking to myself, if I don't get out of this bed, I'm never going to get out of it again. I'm never going to go and fight this dude. So I got out of the bed, and I went out of there.

I went out there, and I ran. It wasn't the best run, but I got through it. I worked myself back into shape. Every day I went back and I trained harder. I sparred with Reggie Johnson, you know, three-time world champion, Reggie Johnson. Sparred with Reggie. And I'm doing this on the low.

Dude don't know I'm in the gym. Are you doing it specifically when he's not going to be there yeah so the same way you treat trolls you see how I answered I was like yeah I see I see okay so so I'm I'm like I'm like, I'm training. At every punch, every run, every sweat, everything, every lift, push-up, I'm thinking, I'm going to get this motherfucker. I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him.

I'm going to get him. Everything. So I'm calling him after a week, and I'm telling him, hey, man, let's do it again, and I'm playing possum. I was like, yeah, man, come work out, hey, man, you know, let's do it again. And I'm playing possum. I was like, yeah, man, you know, come work out with me, man, because, man, I needed that, man. I needed that, you know. I needed that workout, man, with you, you know,

because, you know, I got to get in shape, man. You know, that's what I need. So I'm pumping his head up. Mind you, after he dragged me, right after he dragged me, this fool got on the canvas and started doing push-ups. Started doing sit-ups. And then he turned around. Push-ups.

And I'm watching this fool do all of this stuff, right? Letting you know he's not tired. Yeah, not tired at all. So I'm calling him, trying to bait him back into the ring. At first he was like, nah, man, you know, I'm busy. So finally I got him to agree. He's like, okay. How many weeks later?

Oh, it's only two weeks. Came to the gym. I played possum. Came in. Hey, man, what's up? Got in the ring. Ding. I came out looking kind of timid.

But in my mind, I just got all this energy, man. And I'm like, I'm going to kill this motherfucker. So I threw a dummy out there and he faded just like I thought he would. And I just everything was just everything I threw threw was just connecting so he's on the ropes like this and i'm now i'm pounding i'm still pounding now the guys come running rushing into the ring like all right man stop stop stop so after we break it up they break it up, they break it up. He's on the ropes. Like,

and he, and he, he get his senses. He's like, yeah, yeah. I know you, I know y'all set me up. Yeah.

I know y'all set me up. Yeah. Uh, yeah. But, but y'all, y'all, y'all set it up to break it up.

Right. When I was going to make my move. Oh no. He finna make my move. Oh, no. He finna make a move on me. Like, I'm beating the bricks off this fool. They broke it up right when he was about to make his move. So, I'm like, no. No, you got your ass whooped, take it like a man.

So, I get on the canvas. I start doing sit-ups. So, he's talking, he's just barking. He's barking. So he said something that was threatening. And that's when it was not about boxing anymore. You know? So then,

ding, ding, fries and shake on him. And it's over. You dig what I'm saying? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so, long story short,

this fool called the police. Imagine having a gym fight and somebody calling the police. That's a cardinal sin in any gym. Well, not only that, it's like, what the fuck are the cops going to do? Like, you were fighting, and then you fought after you were fighting? Yeah. Huh.

Yeah, so. What do you want us to do yeah anyway man you know the dude tried to push you he was trying to get a payday but none of that you know so he ended up walking away with an empty bag and pride damaged and totally disrespected because i thought he was a real cat at first, you know, because I seen him get down before. So I thought, hey, you know, right. You know, dude's solid. But you were already famous then, though. That's yeah. And that's what he was trying to do. He was trying to make a name for him. He was trying to roach up off my name, roach up to get a name for himself. You know, of course. Yeah. Well, when someone sees someone that's that prominent and that famous and yet

you're still in the gym like they there's always if you're just a regular dude there's always a little green envy monster inside your head that you got to beat down most people can beat it down but some people can't some people let that fucker out of the bag right yeah some people like they they can't be inspired they have to be envious some people can be inspired some people can see a guy like you and go wow I want to I want to do what he's doing let me ask him

what he did maybe I can learn something maybe I can apply it to my own life that's what I would do well that's why you're a winner yeah

cause I remember growing up there were guys who would see dudes in the neighborhood they would see these guys with the nice cars

and pretty girls, jewelry, money. And they'd be like, I want that. Not something like that. They want your girl. They want your car, your money, your jewelry, and they're plotting to take it from you. Yeah. I would see it and I would use it as motivation

to get it for myself. I was like, because I knew, well, I'll always be struggling, you know, like I am going to make something out of myself. I'm going to get to this bag. I'm going to get it. So I had that type of mentality. Well, this is what I want to know. Where did you get that? Did you model that off someone you knew? Did you just figure it out on your own? I figured it out. Like trial and error,

man. Baptism through fire. I know, but a lot of people fall apart. They, they have these great ideas, but then the reality of their environment overcomes them. And they never,

they never follow through with that. And that could have happened to me too, Joe. That could have happened to me because I had to live. Keep in mind, I still had to navigate through all of this stuff while I'm trying to pursue my goals. So that was some hiccups there. That was some bumps in the road along the way. I just got through it through sheer determination, luck, and the grace of God. determination, luck,

and the grace of God. I got through. That was people that did less than I did who we're walking on right now. They ain't here, man. They dead. They gone. They ain't never coming back. Right. So, and I think that one of the reasons

why I'm still standing is because my good, I weighed my bad. You know, like I was never really like a mean person. People thought I was mean. I remember one time being at Walmart. I was standing in line behind this guy. And he was with his girl. He was checking out.

He had just checked out. I'm standing in line behind him. And the cashier says, whatever that greeting is that they said, you know, welcome to, they don't say welcome to, what do they say when you're at the, when they're greeting you? When you first walk up, it's so generic greeting that they have, like, I don't

know. Welcome to Walmart? No, no, that's at the door. You gotta be at, that's at the door. They wear plastic. What do they say? No, no. That's at the door. You gotta be at the door. What do they say? They say something like... At the counter when you're ready to pay? Yeah, when you're ready to pay like hello or something like how are you today or something like that.

And I responded. And the guy looked back. Willie D! Man, I know that voice from anywhere, man. And he's like fanning out and his woman is like looking all bewildered and he's like baby that's Willie D from the ghetto boys the mean one I was like what the mean one yeah I'm the mean one yeah i'm the mean one brad the mean one you know that's hilarious but i'm like man you know like i was like that's how people really think they think that i'm the mean one in the group

so i you know it it it gave me a sense of of how you know people think about me you know who on our side looking in most people who don't know me they just judge by the records well they also think you're strong where that to that when people see someone strong or if someone just took a clip of you talking about what you want to do to trolls and why you attack them and destroy them. Right. People might say,

Oh, Willie's mean. Right. Right. Yeah. And, and, and I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not a mean guy. No, you're not a mean guy at all. You know, the thing is,

is that, like I said, man, I just, I'm just okay with hating people who hate me. I'm just okay with that. And I love people who love me. See, that's the part people need to focus on. hating people who hate me. I'm just okay with that. And I love people who love me. See, that's the part people need to focus on.

I love who love me. Focus on that part. Don't worry about the other stuff, man. That don't include you. That ain't got nothing to do with you. Stop trying to take up other people. But people try to piece you together like a mosaic. They like to look at all the different things you do,

but the things that concern them are the anger. They concern them as strength. They're like, oh, the nice part is great and everything, but what if this part comes out? What if that angry, mean part comes out? People get nervous about strength. But I'm the guy to have on your team if that has to come out. Yes. You see? Yeah. That's why, like, you look at, like, my career, right? Ghetto Boys and everything. We have always, we've always

been champions for the voiceless. The underdog. The underserved. The disenfranchised. We've always been there for those the disenfranchised. We've always been there for those type of people, right? That's where we come from.

That's us. So this is what fuels my fire. I'm going to talk about the establishment. I am going to call out the guy that everybody's afraid of, just like I fought the guy that everybody was afraid of when I was in high school and middle school and elementary. I will fight the neighborhood bully that everybody else is afraid of. I'll fight him. I'll go to war with him, you know, because I just refuse to be identified as anything less than a man. It has nothing to do with this so-called toxic masculinity.

First of all, let me address that. Please do. I don't think it's such a thing as toxic masculinity. I couldn't agree more. You have masculinity and you have femininity. Which one are you? Well, it has nothing to do. It's not toxic masculinity.

It's just ass toxic masculinity it's just assholes it's just like an asshole who's a woman is not toxically feminine exactly it's just an asshole right yeah right right so you know you know how they do i try to do this type of stuff to us man to try to separate us and create the vision this whole gender war thing and all that stuff and that's another thing that's a war that we cannot survive. Right. We can survive a lot of wars. We cannot survive a gender war.

No. Impossible. Well, it's a stupid war too. Yeah. It's a very stupid war, man, because first of all, who want to walk around with women like mad at women? Man, do you know that's a woman? Women?

God, man, God showed off when he made women. He was showing off, man. He's like, I've made men. Had a whole bunch of dudes. Okay, what do we do now? Watch me work. What do you think now, my little guys?

Oh, God. Well, that's why they did this to God. You do this. The problem with men and women is women that are unattainable and it hurts them, bothers them. Those are the also, again again it's weak men it's the same sort of people that would be jealous of someone's success are angry that a woman is uh

completely unattainable when they see a beautiful woman they know they have that woman has no interest in them their their admiration or their uh their lust for her turns into anger. Right. Because like I knew a dude and he was a nice guy, but he was a unfortunate looking fellow. And as he got older, he became more and more bitter and then just angry towards women because he associated women with rejection. He always associated women with, you know, they didn't want to have anything to do with him

and they always made him feel bad. So in his his mind women make you feel bad is a very simplistic version that's where a woman hater comes from a woman hater is not a guy who does well with women who women like those those guys very rarely hate women they love women it's the dudes who associate women with rejection hmm and for some of them know, it's like they're just unfortunate. Like, you got to, we all have a roll of the dice. You know, this is what you get. And that's very true. Like, when it comes to matters of the heart, you know,

it's one of those things where if you're going to play this game, so to speak, you got to understand what comes with it. You know, rejection is part of the game. It's just as much as part of the game as acceptance. You know, love is part of the game, but also hate is. You know, betrayal is just as much a part of the game as loyalty is. And all of these things are interchangeable depending on the mood of the particular person at the time. There are no guarantees.

so everybody is not qualified to actually be in a romantic relationship because they don't have they're not they don't have the emotional capacity to accept all of these different things you have to be able to take your bitter with your sweet in a relationship listen uh I've had relationships where I've been the guy that broke hearts and then I've had my heart broken now if I've broken a heart already if I get my heart broken then if I'm a man

if I'm a real dude if I'm true to myself then I take my bitter with my sweet I learn you learn that you take your bitter with my sweet i learn you learn that you take your bitter with your sweet and so yeah i'm a human being and i think that because she broke my heart she was wrong because i gave my all because that's the thing about man we give our all you know i cut off all of the holes and man and then she gonna do me like this? Oh, hell no. You know? Uh-uh. So we lose it. And then, you know, we start getting out of character and doing all kinds of, well, some dudes be in character.

But a lot of us, we get out of character because we can't accept the consequences that are a part of being in a relationship. It's the game that all of us play. That's the chance that we take when we go in. And when you understand that and when you understand that relationships are not guaranteed, no relationship is guaranteed. All relationships have an expiration date, sometimes by choice, sometimes by force. But there is an expiration date. And once you understand that, you can respect the process. Some people can't respect the process, the process meaning that, OK, she don't want nothing to do with me anymore. OK, I'm going here. I'm going to cry my heart out or I'm going to go over here and I'm going to drink my troubles away,

drink myself to sleep or whatever, and I'm going to do it as long as I got to do it until I can just stop thinking about her or whatever. Maybe I'll go out and go to the club and try to come up on something at the club just to help me through it. I ain't talking about falling in love. Just help me through it. Just help me through it. Maybe I grieve a while, but all of this is part of the process.

So you have to respect the process. And when you learn to respect the process, you can actually get through these times when it happens. And you get better at it. You do get better at it. You get better at relationships. You do. Like everything else.

Yeah. That's a good point. You got to take those L's. Take the L's, man. Like everything else. Yeah. That's a good point. You got to take those L's. Take the L's, man. That's important. But, you know, I was going to say that when we was talking, I don't know how we switched the subject. I think I switched the subject. Going back to what I was about to say about the speaking your mind thing and going, you know, speaking against, you know, the establishment ghetto boys being that type of group, me being that type of artist, that type of person. Oftentimes, if you're in America and you attack the establishment, if you say something about the establishment and you're white,

you're considered a rebel. If you do that and you're black, you're considered a racist or a radical. Right? So I look at it like I'm going to keep on doing what I do, regardless of how anybody may look at it, because I'm responsible for what I say, not how you interpret it. Right. So that's the way I rock. interpret it. Right? So that's the way I rock. Some people, some people like the idea of you suppressing your, your thoughts or speaking out against a wrongdoing because it makes them uncomfortable. So me, I'm never going to like be that dude who not speak out against injustice

to make somebody else comfortable I don't care who it is well you know what I think would help you one of the things we talked about when we were in Houston when I first met you I'm like you should do a podcast because you people might have the wrong impression of you from little

snippets of things like things you said today like they might have the wrong impression of you from little snippets of things like things you said today. They might have seen snippets and things here. Oh, Willie's angry. He's mean. If they understood you more, if they heard you speak on things more, they would get a better understanding of the way you view the world and a better appreciation of your ethics and your morals, your values, and why you say the things you say and what you stand for. And there's no better way to do that than something like this, like a podcast, like tonight. I'm actually got a whole network that I'm pushing forward

because, you know, we did speak on that before. But I'm going to actually do, I'm actually putting together a whole, in fact, I'm gonna actually do I'm actually I'm actually putting together hold up back I'm shopping the network right now so any of you what do you mean by shopping it like by my heart whatever like other podcasters but what about just you with my but I'm doing it also right oh so you're gonna bring in other people with you I'm bringing other people with okay i understand yeah yeah yeah have you recorded anything yet uh yes i have oh beautiful yes is it available not available not yet oh so you're banking things i'm putting it together okay i'm putting everything together and hopefully

you know the the the second quarter by the second quarter you know of 2021, you've got a long-term plan. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, rec media, man. Rec media. So, you know, y'all executives out there looking to go in a different direction or whatever, looking to increase your portfolio.

Holler at me. Well, that's a good time, too, because right around then, I think things would be opening up again right around April. Yeah. That's what I think. I think once they start vaccinating people and people start opening up again right around April. Yeah. That's what I think. I think once they start vaccinating people

and people start opening up businesses again and everything gets back to, I think we have a good shot of things being, you know, at least on the road back to normal somewhere around the spring. Yeah. That's my guess. My unqualified guess.

But I think whatever you do, whether you do it this way with this idea of pushing a network or just you doing it, you should do this. Yeah, yeah. Because I think you have a very valuable mind, like the way you think about things. It's very valuable to people. You're calculated, you know. And I think people learn from people like you.

Listen to the way you think things through and the way you look at big picture. That's very valuable to people yeah I appreciate you saying that man I appreciate you saying that you know it's really like a it's really like a boomerang compliment you know because that's the way I feel about you oh thank you you know you know you got a you have a you one of our you got one of our greatest minds, period. So this is why you've been able to have the success that you've had. And to be able to reach so many different people from so many different walks of life,

it says a lot about your character. Oh, thank you very much. I'm a lucky moron. That's what I am. I'm a lucky moron. That's what I am. I'm a moron who learned a lot of things. It's a, you know, there's a very, it's a very rare thing, podcasting, where you have a platform where you could show who you really are with no one interfering. That's why I think you would shine at this. Because if you were doing anything else and you got,

like if you had a producer or an executive and then after this was over, the story about people going out and robbing cab drivers and killing them, they'd be like, stop! Really. I understand that's part of your past,

but I just don't think it's a good idea that we leave that in. So let's edit that part out. People would want to change things or edit things or twist things around that's not good what they would your where your value comes is from your honesty and the full perspective of your life you're not gonna someone else would fuck that up they would get involved in it and like you had a radio show and it was on some radio network, they would fuck with it. They would ruin it. They would get in

there and get their greasy little fingers on everything and fuck it all up. Yeah, it's actually happened before. You know, I used to do a show on a radio station in Houston, and it was big, man. It was really big. It was late 90s.

And it was so big, people used to barbecue on Monday nights and listen to the show. One dude told me that his wife divorced him because she sent him to the store to buy something. And he was supposed to come right back. And he sat in the parking lot and listened to the show. He was supposed to come right back, and he sat in the parking lot and listened to the show. Now, obviously, he must have did something else and that piled it on. That was like the straw that broke the Campbell's back. But, yeah, he said his woman, that was it.

The woman walked out on him after that. That's hilarious. So, yeah, I had that going on, and I was actually about to take it to the next level. It was Monday nights. And then once I pulled the numbers, I seen what was happening. I had a 15% share of the market. And I was like, whoa, okay, we should do this five nights a week. So I went to the station and told them about it. And they was like, yeah, but we're not a talk show station.

We're not a talk station. That's what it is. We're not a talk station. We're a music station. And so I went somewhere else and did the deal. So I went somewhere else and did the deal. And when I went to this other place, they tried to change the message. They wanted me to talk about the cum stains on Monica Lewinsky's dress.

Every day. You know, it was a thing, you know. She had cum stains on her dress. So they would bring it up to you? No, no, no, no, no, no. If it was in the news, like I would talk about something that was in the news. Right. But I'm not going to talk about the same thing. You know how CNN does.

Yeah. You know, or MSNBC, any of them, Fox. They just take the same thing and just tell the same story a thousand different ways. You know, they go and get the janitor who knew you to say something. They find a guy walking down the street. Did you see anything, sir? No, I didn't see. Are you sure?

Now, was it raining when you walked down the street or what? You know, they just be digging, trying to make the story out of something. And so they wanted me to talk about this in different ways. And I'm like, I'm not doing that. My people don't care about Monica Lewinsky. They don't care about the Comstans on her dress. You know, like they care about what's really happening out here in these streets. You know?

So we had an amicable split, you know? So would they sit down, like when you would come to the office, they would say, Willie, this is what we want you to talk about? No. What would they do? No, what would happen is that I produced my own show. So, look, I must have been doing something right. I had a 15% share of the market.

That's huge. In a major market. Yeah, that's gigantic. percent share of the market. That's huge. In a major market. Yeah. That's gigantic. So, I would have my own show. Me and my

producer, you know, that I had working. We worked the show out. These are the topics we're going to talk about. Blah, blah, blah. We get on the air and once they hear it, they go like, hey, you think you can talk about Monica? That's a good story.

People are interested in that. Like, you know, they can get that story anywhere. Yeah. You can't get Willie D anywhere. You know, you can't get what I'm talking about anywhere because people are scared of these topics. They're afraid. They're afraid to call out these people and say what's really going on. They're afraid of that. I'm not.

So and plus, I like to do stuff that I feel I'm making a difference in. I got to do something where I feel like I'm making a difference. I don't want to just make money. I want to make a difference. I understand what you're saying. So I couldn't just do that. Yeah. So you quit?

Yeah. Good for you. Yeah. Well, it was too early. It was before the time of the internet. Because if you had a podcast back then. Oh, man. Yeah. Whoa. That's what you should be doing right now yeah because no one can tell you what to do as long as you stay away as long like one of the things that uh when i switched over to spotify we

had to make sure that they didn't want to change anything i was very hesitant because i was i and then i wouldn't sell the podcast i would only do a licensing deal. But Spotify was adamant. They were like, I want you to do exactly what you're doing. We don't want to tell you who the guests are. I book everything myself. I do it all myself. No one tells me what to talk about or what not to talk about. That's the only way I can do my show and be me.

It's the same thing with you. It's the only way you could do your show and be you. As soon as you got some guy going, well, you know, Monica Luisi and then that Trask's gonna that's gonna fuck with your head even if you go get the fuck out of here then you have to think that guy out there wants me to talk about monica lewinsky you don't even want that guy in your life you don't want anybody there there's no need what you should have is just you and a microphone and whoever you want to talk to and that's it well that's kind of what i do on youtube already yeah so that so my youtube channel is pretty big you know so so like i'm like i'm really in that

space like strong so this the podcast would be like an extension of that well it should be both things the video version of the podcast should also be on youtube too right right yeah and then listen man if you build it they will come it's not 100 and again as long as you're just you that's what people want as long as people know that it's coming from your mind then it resonates with them as soon as they feel like you're some sort of a concoction and there's a bunch of producers and writers and all these people tweaking they can smell it oh they smell it like if you have like They're used to it in certain places, like with late night talk show hosts.

They're used to bullshit. If there was anything other than bullshit, they'd probably be nervous and confused. They wouldn't know what it was. A late night show is a, hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show. It's bullshit.

If that guy was talking to you like that in real life, you'd be like, who is this dude? If someone talked to you the way a late night talk show host talks to the audience you'd be like this is the weirdest shit ever the way the guy was talking to me you'd be like yeah hey do that voice again do that again with notes and shit and oh you hear about this in the news you know it's a weird way of talking and yeah you know i mean i know they're doing a monologue and it's supposed to be just like stand-up comedy i get it but even the way they talk to guests is weird it's like so i heard you went to the zoo

yeah tell us about the zoo willie like it's just weird but we're used to it we're used to that kind of communication wait a minute that almost sounded like a little like Johnny Carson I like Johnny Carson well he was original there was it's kind of like but even though he was Carson would say something like that a little bit like that but I went to the zoo that was also how they would set up a comedian for a story pets and pets yeah if you would go on those shows they would talk to you beforehand and they would ask you what you want to talk about, and you'd say, oh, I got this great story about going to a NASCAR race. And then, okay.

So you like racing, do you? Yeah. And, you know. But it's either way. It's that method of communicating with people, putting together a show. It's like smoke signals. It's like some antiquated shit that we don't need anymore. It's like Morse code. You don't have to do it that way anymore right that way it's dumb like cut we'll be right

back in five minutes like so you you cut every seven minutes for a fucking commercial right and then everybody goes to the like no one you don't have to do that anymore this is a it's an antiquated way of making a program of delivering information and it doesn't feel real when you're talking whether it's i like when you sit in your car and you got your your phone and you're like what's up family free game and you just express yourself there's no producers there's no nothing it's willie d and that's it right that's what resonates with people because people know that there's no one fucking with the message so whether they like you or not they know it's you if they like you they like you they don't like something that a bunch of producers are putting

together they don't want that right no one wants that shit anymore the genie's out of the bottle people know like you know when you see people talking with no uh no no filter that makes sense like you go oh he's a regular dude he's just like me when you see someone talking like they're talking like a president they're using that thing with their thumb and they're like what we're gonna do is build this and build that you know that's bullshit even if you like what they say it doesn't resonate with you people in this day and age we're dissolving the boundaries between people people want they want to know you're real in there right yeah and they can sniff it out fuck yeah they can they can sniff it out they can snip it out try it one time and they'll be hey man i don't know what the hell that was you just did yeah but uh oh in fact they'll be like, hey, man, I don't know what the hell that was you just did. But, oh.

In fact, they'll be like, you must have got paid. Yes, exactly. Oh, I've been accused of that. You got paid quick. I've been accused of that a lot. You must have got paid. Yeah, I've been accused of ducking subjects and trying not to have certain guests on. Right.

No, there's none of that. Spotify has never told me anything. And this is the crazy thing about it. Like, dude, you know me. Yeah. Like, no, no, no, dude, you know me. Know you for real. Like, you know me.

For real. Like, so that trips me out when people say stuff like that, you know? Yeah, I hear that type of stuff from time to time, but it don't really bother me because these people really don't know me right this is always going to be a certain percentage like the hecklers like the people that are the trolls no matter what you're never going to get rid of those but the vast majority of people who tune into your instagram page or your youtube page after a while they fucking know you right it might take a week it might take watching you four or

five times but they get it they get it that's where the value is that's where someone who's like hey monica lewinsky they're dressed that fucking guy doesn't he's never gonna get it they don't understand like the more you do that the more you water it down the more chefs come in the kitchen start throwing bay leaves into the soup the more you're gonna fuck it up right yeah this is the beautiful thing about the internet is the beautiful thing about being able to do a podcast or a youtube video or anything like that is the fact that this is the only time in history in human history like i don't want to try to make this sound any bigger than it is but this is the craziest moment

in all of time in all of the time where human beings have been communicating with each other. There's never been a moment where a person can just talk into a microphone and it will instantaneously reach millions and millions of people and literally change the way they think about a subject. There might be something that happens in the news and you will sit in your car and put your phone on and just express yourself and then that video will go viral and when that video goes viral millions millions of people like the the number millions like it's

everybody knows it's big you think about it but if you could see a million people in front of you you'd be like holy shit i remember be real came on the podcast once and he was talking to us about when he did woodstock what was it like 600 000 people like 500 000 plus people and he he showed us the video and you're like oh my god like you don't know what 500 000 people looks like until you see this vast expanse of humans that's fucking normal for you 10 football fields that's 10 football stadiums right but that's normal for you feel yeah you get that all the time you put up a video you get that kind of shit all the time yeah yeah that's what i'm saying yeah that is a crazy moment in time there's never been in all of human history.

Oh, man. I never thought about it like that, man. Look at that. Uh-uh. Look at that fucking crowd. That's madness. Hey, I'm going back in to ask for more money, man. Get more money.

More money, man. There's so many people out there. I'm going to get more money. I mean, that crowd is fucking bananas. Look at that. That's a half a million. I'm going to get more money. I mean, that crowd is fucking bananas.

Look at that. That's a half a million. So this podcast, just this podcast, will most likely reach 10 times more people than that. So just think of those numbers. All the things that you said today, all the topics you touched on, the people that get to know the real you, that's a lot of fucking people, man. And no one's interfering. No one's in the way. There's no filter.

There's no producer. There's no executive. There's no network people. There's nothing. There's just you talking. And that's how many people it can reach. This is a crazy moment in time. And this is what drives networks crazy.

It drives them nuts. You ever get the idea that they're going to try to do something to try to corral it like you know try to yeah i think they probably will i mean i think they probably would have if the blowback wouldn't been so hard i think they you know they do certain things like certain controversial figures they'll de-platform you or they'll throttle you or they'll you know the thing is like someone like youtube they could kind of control like one of the things that happens they do is they'll stop things from trending you or they'll you know the thing is like someone like youtube they could kind of control like one of the things that happens they do is they'll stop things from trending you know they can do that like kanye west was on the podcast and it reached how many people did it reach fucking some crazy number and it wasn't trending and we're like well how what's trending and you

look at what's trending and what's trending is like 500 000 300 000 a million and the kanye one was like five million and we're like well what is what is trending tell me what trending is then they decide what's trending it's not really what's trending that fucking podcast was trending like crazy amongst actual human beings but not amongst their little algorithm they just decide they can do that with you they can pull back and not suggest your videos or not hide things they do that right they'll decide they don't like your message they decide you're not progressive enough you're not liberal enough you know you weren't this you're not that they so there's a lot of gatekeepers with social media and a lot of gatekeepers with certain.

But as long as the people can get a hold of something and share it, then you have viral responses. And they can't stop that. And the only way they can stop that is by censoring you and deplatforming you. And I do worry sometimes that things can get really like. You think we made them too powerful though? Politicians or video platforms? YouTube, Facebook. instagram they didn't even know it was coming they didn't know that they were ever going to get this powerful like i've had jack dorsey on the podcast the ceo of twitter a couple times and i've talked to him about it and he's like we had no idea what

we're doing he goes we thought we were just going to have this little thing where people would put up what they're doing like it used to be the way twitter used to be like at willie d you would say going out with the family to get some food like that's what people would do they would just like tell you what they were doing for no reason it didn't mean anything it was just like oh getting some pizza oh uh taking a nap like that's what people used to use twitter for and now it's shaping the social uh political it's political. It's toppling. It's toppling regimes. I mean,

they're using it to share information. Rebels are using it to try to share information to topple dictatorships. I mean, it's crazy what's going on with it. And it's doing all sorts of other things too. It's breaking news. When news happens, you find out about it on Twitter long before you see it on CNN or any of the,

the other news networks. Oftentimes it's used to but it's also they can decide who talks and who doesn't talk and they have a very set set like standard of ideas of what's acceptable and not acceptable and they can decide like there was a crazy moment during the election where they got a hold of Hunter Biden's laptop. And there was some talk in there where Hunter Biden's emails were indicating that his dad knew that there was some standard shit that politicians have always done. Corruption where, you know, they're going to pay him a certain amount and they have access to his father. And there's some influence there. And then there was some pictures of him like getting foot jobs from hookers and crazy shit a foot foot job the hell is a foot job well the girl was laying on her stomach and uh with her knees bent and his dick was on her feet some crazy shit but whatever guys smoking crack yeah he was smoking crack he was losing his

exactly got it he was doing a lot of wacky shit the dude was on drugs but anyway uh new york post publishes this story and then twitter bans the new york post twitter blocked the new york post from posting they couldn't post any more stories they literally censored one of the biggest newspapers in the world it's it's the i think it's the oldest newspaper in america and it was a real story it was a real story real laptop real pictures no one's denying the emails were real but they just decided that this was uh whether it's hacked or whatever it is that this is going to interfere with the election they didn't like it so they they decide and it was a giant dust up amongst the

journalists and and people that are for the truth and for for sharing information they're like you can't do this you can't tell people what they can and can't talk about it's not your decision a bunch of nerds sitting in silicon valley somewhere can decide what people can and can't say like based on what and then where does that end it doesn't end because as soon as you censor one person from talking about one thing that you don't you might not agree with politically the problem with that is that is a slippery slope and then people can decide they're going to censor more things and censor this and they're going to try to shape society into the ideas that they have and only let the information go that coincides with their ideas and their beliefs yeah that's happening now

it is happening now you think they're gonna censor trump after he's i think they're gonna ban him the day he gets out of office fuck you yeah i don't know i don't think so i think it's too too blatant if they do that but what he's doing i think is dangerous here's here's what i think it's too too blatant if they do that but what he's doing i think is dangerous here's here's what i think is dangerous what he's doing by saying i won this and i won this big in the landslide all that crazy is undermining people's ideas of the democratic process it's all those people that arrive or die with him that believe him no matter what whatever num whatever percentage of his fan base that is those fucking people will never trust the legal system again they'll never trust the judicial system

again they'll never trust the voting system again that's what's dangerous about it because this is not the first time he's done this either you know when ted cruz won the senate he was saying that ted cruz stole the election like he's been he's been saying that the voting is rigged forever. Yeah. And the problem is it's a little rigged. The problem is he's not wrong. Totally. Like, it's not 0%. If you said, like, what percentage voter fraud is, it's not 0%. Maybe it's, I don't know what the number is.

But it's not like no one cheats. It's definitely less than what they say. I can't say definitely. I ain't counting the damn votes. But, you know. That's the problem, right? I'm thinking like it's got to be less than a half percent. I don't know what the number is.

They don't think it's anywhere close to that. They don't think it's enough to make him win. But, you know, political duopoly has always been a problem in America. Huge. And so this is why, you know, we got to come out. I don't know what is going to be, but it's got to be something for the people. Because the people don't run the country. A bunch of old folks in Congress runs the country.

A bunch of people that has job security no matter what. Yes. They run the country. And even when it comes to those Supreme Court justices, man, they should not be lifelong appointees. No, they should. It should be a limit. I mean, I'm thinking like at this rate and, you know, every 45 days, you know, new.

Every 45 days? You know, 45. Is there enough judges for that? Keep rotating them? Man, I'm like, man, no. You might run out. I just believe that. I believe it's too many people that don't put the people first.

And I think if we had people in Congress, we had people in local municipalities, statewide, these officials, if these people put the people first,

this country really could be great. I think it would be. I know it would be great. I think it would be. I know it would be great. I'm talking about great. We wouldn't have all the racial tension that we have because they wouldn't allow. I mean, that would be like a crime like stealing. Like, no. You know, like there's a such thing as freedom of speech. But when you create public chaos and you create when you go out there and you're creating unrest, that's a problem.

And look, how many people are here right now on either side, on on either side democrat whatever liberal conservative whatever how many people feel safer today than they did 10 years ago 20 years ago 30 years ago five years ago one year ago not too many not right now not too many Now everything's a mess. But a lot of things were a mess even when Barack was in office. Yeah, but I mean post-COVID and the economy shutting down. That's when things get dangerous. What I'm saying is that if you take COVID out, the trajectory that we were already on in terms of racial harmony is bad. Have you seen that movie, The Social Dilemma? No.

They talk about that. They talk about the differences in people's groups, whether it's Republicans versus Democrats and ideologies, and that social media is separating us, and it's forcing people to fight. And these algorithms that they've created for YouTube and for Facebook, all these algorithms are set up so that people argue with each other. They're set up so that people get upset.

And the people that created these algorithms, they're talking about it now after they've left these companies. And they're like, I had Tristan Harris on last week or a couple weeks ago. He was one of the guys who was there at Google at the time. And he saw the writing on the wall he's like this is this is going to lead to civil war like the way we all communicate on social media we're more divided now than ever right yeah and look man it's a major that I don't see being solved anytime soon because they've created an environment where you get incentives to create tension.

People, there are people out there that get paid to be race baiters. You know, this is a whole career. Yeah. You know? It is because you get attention from it. Absolutely. Like, it's a total lane for that.

Like, and it's also an easy lane. Like, you could talk about, if you talk about bringing people together, that's kind of corny. Ah, nah. I don't even care about that post. But if you get on there and you say something that's inflammatory, you know what I'm saying, people go like, they respond. Going back to that algorithm thing.

Yeah, the algorithm is scary because it's designed to do that. I mean, they've figured out what gets people to engage. What gets people to engage is getting them angry. Yeah. And so it ramps up the anger. And the more it ramps up the anger, the more money they make. Right. So it's all designed.

The AI, artificial intelligence, is figuring out what upsets you. And it's putting that in front of your face all the time. And the overall tension of the country has ramped up and when you have two different sides like the republicans and democrats this duopoly that you talked about that accentuates it because it's not like 30 choices to pick from like some countries like holland i think they have holland has a lot of party i think it has like seven or eight different political parties and there's no duopoly so they have, Holland has a lot of parties. I think it has like seven or eight different political parties. And there's no duopoly.

So they have a bunch of different people with different ideas. You're like, oh, I like this guy's idea. Oh, she's making sense. And there's no like we have to vote blue or we have to vote red. That's a, when you only have two teams like that, it creates a giant problem. And that's all accentuated like everything else by social media and these algorithms and again the people that made them the people that created these platforms they never saw it coming youtube was just going to be cat videos it was

just going to be here's my son playing football hey here's my dog doing a crazy trick like this is this is my new car look at that pretty cool right that's what youtube was then along the way it became all kinds of crazy shit that shapes the way human beings talk to each other and shapes the way we feel about the world right and they didn't see it coming they didn't prepare for it there's not enough rules in place there's not enough laws in place and there's no there's not there hasn't been a real study of what the overall impact of these things is going to be long term they didn't see it so when a documentary like the social dilemma comes out and if i mean what did tristan say it got 39 million views within the first week it's resonating with people they're like holy shit and they're realizing they're all addicted

to their phones they're addicted to these social media apps. And they're addicted to getting angry. You mentioned documentary. Yeah. I got one of the coldest documentaries ever. Hip hop to death. Ooh. ever. Hip hop to death. It's about how these label executives

and radio execs, TV execs conspired to derail hip hop, the positive messages that were in hip hop, get rid of the groups that had those positive messages that were in hip hop, get rid of the groups that had those positive messages and bring in more of the gun busting.

Really? Yeah. So I'm doing it with Dion Taylor and Roseanne Taylor. So it's not out? No, it's not out. We're producing it right now, but it'll be out at the top of the year. So what happened? It's exposing that. What did they's not out. We're producing it right now. But it'll be out at the top of the year. So what happened?

It's exposing that. What did they do? There was a meeting in California of a bunch of executives, top executives. And these guys got together and decided that they didn't want the positive measures in hip hop that arrested development. You know, De La Soul, the Tribe Called Quest, the Public Enemies got to go. Really? But they were profitable. They were profitable, but they wasn't good for the overall business of controlling black people. So they set out.

They purposely conspired to change the message. When you say set out to control black people, who's involved in this? set out to control black people like who's involved in this like some very high up people and this is one of those things that's going to be revealed in the documentary like we are like we have the players some of the players who was there in that meeting so is it can you tell me is it just executives or does it have to do with government as well? It's a bit of both. I can imagine it has to be a bit of both. Yeah.

Because the executives, they want to go towards what's profitable. But if there's influence by government and people, especially in intelligence agencies, that have plans. This is one of those documentaries that people will tell you, watch your back. Maybe we shouldn't have talked about it. No, I'm good. Maybe we should wait until it comes out. No, I'm good because I think it's important.

I like the idea that these fools are nervous right now. I mean, this is the first time it's being heard. Nobody's ever spoke about this. Do you have this all documented? You know all the players, everything's? Yes, yes, yes. And some of the biggest people in hip hop are going to be, you know, seen talking about it too. You're going to see.

I mean, like, it's going to make a bunch of noise. And some people are going to get exposed. When do you think this is going to see. I mean, like, it's going to make a bunch of noise. And some people are going to get exposed. When do you think this is going to come out? It's top of the year. Top of the year. Oh, so soon. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Yeah, we're— We'll come back when it's on. Yeah. When it's on, come back. Absolutely. We'll let it come out, come back, we'll promote it, we'll talk about it, we'll talk about the reaction to it. Absolutely. You know, we're going in hard, man. You know, because coming from that, you know, for me,

the reason why I'm really excited about being involved in it is because I was there while this meeting is going on and didn't know it. You know, like if I had known that meeting was going meeting was going on and these people felt this way you know i i think i would have done something i don't know what exactly but i probably would have been more i probably would have been more more cognitive you know of message, what I was going to say and how it was being received. Right. And even the artists that I did business with, you know. So it's like, it's a very complex web, you know, of deceit,

you know, for the whole purpose, entire purpose of control and manipulation. It would have been really hard to get the word out back then. Yeah. Yeah. It would have been buried. I mean, we're talking about the biggest of the biggest people. Power.

Real power. There's no internet back then. It's not like today where you could just get that word out. And the major stage networks, they wouldn't have cared. They would have been able to stroke the check stage networks they wouldn't have carried it. They would have been able to stroke the check because they played a part in it too. So they wouldn't have they definitely wouldn't have spoke on it.

Yeah. But it was it's dirty man because you see now you see what happened to hip hop where you see all this gun talk and you turn on you see these videos and every video, somebody got a gun, they waving guns. And even on social media, they're waving guns, you know, just sitting in the kitchen, sitting on the bed, you know,

just waving guns and talking about killing each other. And then you see when the killings happen, you know, I mean, we got to take responsibility, you know, like I think everybody, we're at a point like we don't have a choice. And so anybody that may have even been involved in the past and, you know, they got a conscious or they, they think that they want an opportunity to get right, make it right, they can't be worried about what somebody's saying.

Well, you did this and what about you? No. If you can contribute to changing the trajectory of what this music is, you should. This is the first time that, I think this is the first generation of music lovers who are not going to get the best generation of music makers. Because a lot of great music makers,

they don't want to make the music. They don't like it. They don't want to play this game. They don't want to be in this kind of game. So what are we getting? We're getting a whole lot of dudes who are just mumbling and aren't qualified to really be in this game. When I was coming up and I saw rappers rapping, you know, it was people I was looking at like, man, I don't, you know, that's just, you got to be good to do that.

Right. People would say, man, you got to really be good to be a rapper. Biggie. And now you see it today and everybody like, I can do that. Right.

You know, I can do that. You know, you don't want, I don't. Why do you think that got popular? What's that? Mumble rap.

I don't understand that. It was part of the narrative. It was part of the conspiracy. It was part of the conspiracy to destroy hip-hop, to kill the message in the music. If we let them mumble and just say anything, ha ha ha ha ha, the people that are pulling the strings,

just let them come on and say anything. So they're promoting that, and they can profit off that, and then hip-hop has no message. Because, look, if they couldn't profit off of it then it was all right okay it ain't working they would have changed courses right but they could but they saw that they could wait a minute we could still make money in fact we can make more money with them saying nothing i mean listen man this is documented like this is like you is like there's documented conversations? Yes. Wow. Listen. Listen.

My partner in rhyme, Brad Jordan, Scarface, he spoke on this a few years ago. He said that you can't tell me that there's not a conspiracy to destroy hip-hop. Look at the type of artists they're signing. Look at the type of black artists they're signing. And look at the type of white artists they're signing. The white artists, white hip-hop artists, most of them have a message in their music.

You listen to most of the black artists, they're just mumbling, talking about anything. So there's a high grade. So enforcing, they're enforcing that kind of hip hop. They're promoting it. Yeah.

And they're letting people know, you go this way, you're going to make it. You go this way, there's success and money. But if you try to have a message, we're not interested. Right.

If you're black interested right if you're black but if you're white if you're white you are right wow man look you gotta take my word i believe it just listen well i've always want like i have zero understanding of the music industry but i've always wondered but just listen to the music just listen to the difference yeah go listen to some of the white artists that's the top go listen go listen to some of the all any top white artists listen to those white artists those artists and then listen to the top black artists you know you got some top black artists that's a real good and got a message like the kendricks and then the jay coves and stuff like that we all know who those artists are but there are a lot of top black artists

ain't saying nothing. They mumbling. They ain't saying nothing. And people comparing them to Tupac. Out of all people. Yeah. The internet is this sort of wild west when it comes to distribution.

If you are an artist and you have something that people find that's good and you could put it out on the internet the way you do a podcast, you can avoid a lot of these executives, can't you? I always wondered, what value do executives have today? Well, that's where Toby Nwikwe comes in. He's an artist out of Houston. He's independent. He's drawing crowds out of Houston. He's independent.

He's drawing crowds of 4, 5, 6, 7,000 people. There's a lot of guys have done that now, right? By themselves. He's totally independent. That seems to me to be the way to avoid this in the future, right? Yeah. Artists, straight artists to the people. He's going artist.

No fucking, no, like what good does a record executive do you today no one sells records yeah well well the record executives still wield a lot of power and and an influence in streaming giving you resources and putting and placement. Like when, let's say Joe Blow, independent, wants to be on the front cover of, on the first page of Apple music. Oh. Well,

well, Universal has an artist, one of their top tier artists, that they want to put on that same page. Who do you think Apple's going to get a space to? They have an influence. But they have less influence than they used to, right? They have less influence, but they still have influence.

And this is why they're still called majors. And they still make a lot of money. And they still have the power, you know, when it comes to award shows, influence that they have in getting people considered for awards. And even when it comes to winning them. The people need to make their own award shows. And stuff like that. People need their own award show. People need to make award shows with no executives.

That would be interesting. They'll sell it out. They'll sell out, though, because the big guys are just coming and just offer a fat check, and most of them are not going to be firm like you was when Spotify came to you. You said, no, I'm interested in business. I'll talk to you, but I got to be able to do me.

On Spotify's defense, they literally never even tried. They didn't. They liked the show as is. It was part of the... Well, that's good. That's good for them. And good for you also because it's important, man, when you have

a vision, you got something that works and people see that vision. And they say, look, man, we like you. We like you just the way you are. Think about being in a relationship. Yeah. And, you know, a romantic relationship. Exactly the same. And that person likes you exactly like you are.

Or the worst. Yeah. Someone's like, hmm, Willie's all all right but i can change him and make him what i want right and then they get you in there under false pretenses and start manipulating you and shift you and i want to change the way you dress willie uh hey you know i'm hoping i'm hoping baby what you look like baby that's a simple thing that doesn't change much this man we're already more than three hours in. Is that right?

That's crazy. How long are we going to do it, Jamie? Yeah. That's good work. So, yeah, I enjoyed it very much. So let's plan on coming back after the documentary comes out. We'll come back and we'll talk about that, and this way I can watch it,

and we'll talk about the documentary. Absolutely. In the meantime, I'm glad you're doing a podcast. I tell too many people, people get mad at me because I'm always like, you should do a podcast. But I say it because it's the freest form of expression I think the world's ever known. There's never been an opportunity like this where people can express themselves, and I know you got a lot of shit to say. Yeah. I want you to also, man, you got to come to my to say yeah um i want you to also man you

got to come to my restaurant man when you come to houston i would love to the station seafood i'm in the station seafood i'm in all right um we are we are right now uh franchising all right put that out there y'all put that out Yeah, if y'all want to be involved, go to ilovethestation.com, and you'll see our franchise information. But, yeah, the station, Seafood, man, we killing the game. If you love seafood, come on out and eat and break bread for real with your boy, Willie D. GB.

Sounds good. Beautiful. H-Town. Appreciate it, bro. In the house. Thank you very much. Thank you, Joe. Thank you. Willie D., ladies. Appreciate it, bro. In the house. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jerry. Thank you.

Willie D., ladies and gentlemen, good night. No more talking. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.