The Joe Rogan Experience - #1579 - Suzanne Santo & Gary Clark Jr.

Episode Date: December 16, 2020

Singer/songwriter Suzanne Santo is the lead vocalist and co-founder of HoneyHoney, as well as a solo artist who is currently at work on her second album. Gary Clark Jr. is a Grammy award winning singer, songwriter, and guitar player.

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day these are jokes we're live we're rolling now don't don't clam up what are you telling me about acid tell me right into it yes because it was very and i stopped you because it was too good it was like it was very interesting well you were saying that you did it once and you you were in a bathtub and it was interesting but then you did it where were you the second time you did it the first time i did it i was with uh three other people and we like you know it was celebrating someone's birthday and all my friends are like pretty spiritual in that way, like meditative.

Annoying. You know. No, it's good stuff. I love it. I'm kidding. I know. It can be annoying. I agree.

That shit can be really fucking. With the wrong people. 100%. When it's inauthentic, it's super annoying. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I think there's. It's like any other area of bullshit you pick up on and you're like, no.

I had two different yoga teachers that did the same thing and with one of them it was amazing and with the other one it was so annoying yeah well the guy would like chant in class and he would sing and i'd be like let get me away from this motherfucker he was just a bullshit artist it was like a fake spiritual guy but then another guy who did it his classes were were all donation based. You didn't have to pay to come. And you would see ladies pull up in Mercedes and not pay. I'd be like, you dirty bitches. They just wouldn't pay. Wait, was that the good one or the bad one?

The good one. The good one, he did the exact same thing. But you can tell there was no pretense. So I'm sorry I fucked up your story. No, I'm with you though. I feel the same way. I have spiritual friends. And it was more of like a we i laughed

for like eight hours it was just like laugh therapy and just around like wonderful people just good energetic and i was so i was high for like two days but i found myself wanting to like go in and i kept going into his bathtub and like he had like this glass door so when you shut it the sound was really and that's what i wanted and but i didn't really get to go there because everyone's like come back let's all like hang out you know and so uh last week i went with my best girlfriend to celebrate her mother's birthday and her mom passed away five years ago and we went out to Joshua Tree it was beautiful I mean first and foremost the the thing that I admire most about the process is like setting an intention when you want to heal from it you know like you can party like I did the

week before you're just like hanging out but I wanted to go somewhere else. And we did. And, you know, there was this moment too, where we were sitting, just the two of us, we were sitting around a fire and my friend's been through some crazy, crazy shit in her life, like dark stuff. And there's this like space of sacred pain where like she told me things that no one, she doesn't talk about and she's like it comes out and vice versa and it was just this like that's the place where we put it that's the place where we had love for each other and was like i see you i respect all your shit

you've been through and then we went to like the next phase of it of the trip and at one point you know we were laughing to you going in and out of like laughing hysterically and having like the next phase of it of the trip and at one point you know we were laughing too going in and out of like laughing hysterically and having like the best time and then having these like intense spiritual moments and and and therapeutic as such like that's why i love it but at one point i don't know how to describe it. Like we, first of all, the stars like were, there was like galactic geometry. Like you can just see all this crazy shit in the sky and it feels alive.

And at one point we went up, it was like this cabin and then you had to walk up the hill for the bathroom in the kitchen. So you're really in the middle of nowhere. And at one point, like the frequency changed and it went. And the only other time I'd experienced that was when I smoked DMT like a decade ago. And it scared me because I was like, there is there is something there was like, there is an energy that just presented itself. And, and my friend and I

experienced it at the same time which i don't think is a thing that happens for people often i don't know like i've never had like we were visited by like it felt like another star system i mean it sounds like hocus pocus but i i don't think it's hocus pocus it was amazing that's what i wanted you to talk about i think yeah i think we're uh we have a limited idea of what's possible in terms of like what reality is and when you do psychedelic drugs you you experience this thing that you can't experience naturally right you have this these wild visualizations and you feel like you're being visited by entities and things are communicating with you and some people say well it's hallucinations your mind is playing tricks on you and all these things that might

sometimes yeah it might be that for sure but also it might be possible that there's a frequency that you can tap into with these things that's not available to you right and that these things are always here so like there's a lot of people that think when when they're talking about like the ufo phenomenon there's a lot there's a lot of people that think, when they're talking about, like, the UFO phenomenon, there's a lot of people that think these things aren't just visiting from other star systems. They're visiting from other dimensions. Right. And that they're there all the time. And they can come in and out and they can go. And we're like, oh, we're, like, trying to grab ghosts.

Like, we're like, I just need to bring it home and show everybody proof. Right. But you're never going to have proof. Right. It's not available in this plane. But when you do mushrooms or when you do acid or when you do DMT, you get these windows into what's around you all the time. Yeah, I think if you pay more attention to energy in that way too, it's like, this is going to sound but i it's it is the truth like my my friend you

know her mother was this like incredibly like spiritual mystic woman and she collected uh gemstones from all over the world and jewels and one day uh kp my friend was like she's like suze i really want you to have some of my mother's jewelry. And it was like a great honor. And I was like, well, yeah, I would love that. And I'm wearing some of it right now. And I started having dreams about her mom. And it felt very visited. And it was really beautiful. So that stuff, when you are taking psychedelics and you have an intention of settling things,

I believe in that. The fact that we both experienced this frequency change at the same time, and I was like, are you hearing that? And are you seeing that? Because it was like, it was like the whole sky, it flipped. It was like a photo negative. It was so crazy. I'm missing out, man.

Oh, Gary. I haven't done LSD, DMT. None of those things? Let's go. I've done mushrooms. And I don't know how you can like hang out and be with people. I always kind of, I start laughing a little bit and then I start to find myself. I'll like disappear and I'll be like hanging out with a tree or some shit.

That's awesome. But that's great. That's the best part. Yeah. I mean, that's the best part of mushrooms is nature, right? Yeah. Yeah. But there's something you definitely get from that, you know, feeling re-energized and,

you know, kind of like a reset. That's kind of what I get from that. It's phenomenal for people with PTSD. Yeah. People with PTSD, a lot of soldiers experience these mushroom trips and just relaxes them, with ptsd a lot of soldiers experience uh these mushroom trips and just relaxes them relieves them of a lot of the pressure right that they have yeah you know it's um but like per your point like it is important to make sure you're in good hands with whoever you're doing it with like and it could be like one of your good buds but like

sometimes like you know when some some folks don't quite have a handle on their darkness, you probably don't want to do acid for the first time with somebody like that, you know. And that's no disrespect to people, you know, that have shit to deal with. It's just like, because there's no, there's no seatbelt, you know, like you're just going. Yeah, that was my first, my kind of first trip was hanging with a bunch of folks and we hadn't done it before all of a sudden the guy's house he was like y'all need to get the fuck out of my house right now i'm in i'm in high school i was skipping high school i'm like i'm skipping high school and so we spent the whole day we're like tripping balls right and then all of a sudden he freaks out and so i gotta go home and i'm skipping so i'm just kind out, walking around my neighborhood, staring at the sun and shit with nowhere to go. I finally go back to my house, tripping ball.

My mom's there. My little sister's there. My grandma's there. Did they know? No, I just went up to my room and just curled into a ball for the rest of the night. I remember one time tripping. And it's only happened to me once. but one time tripping where I felt like I could see the patterns of existence that aren't available with the naked eye.

Like I could see that there's like some weird like grid to everything. Yes. The grid. You've seen the grid. Yeah. I've seen the grid. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah.

It's like the matrix. It's so weird. You kind of like. You feel like you can almost step through it sometimes you can you can in meditation too no it's for real i have seen the grid as well i think that's what the photo negative was this time too it's like presents itself differently but it's like i love this shit i've felt so good ever since too i think when you have these alternative states of consciousness it's altered states of consciousness and you enter into this different frame of mind and your your brain tunes into this it's like a

fleeting but completely different frequency like you can't hold on to it for very long but when you get there you it it seems more real than regular life that's the weirdest part about like tripping is that a lot of times when you're tripping it's more vivid than regular life and you you come back and you go wait a minute is this the bullshit yeah and is that yeah that that is that like what's possible but i can't tune into it because i'm too connected to the monkey brain oh that's real that is real it is so real but i think i think every time you do it you're gonna be served something differently depending on where you're at in your life like like my friend who has been through profound trauma and is like on top of her game like she's she's like kind of a media mogul and she works so hard and she has a beautiful family

and she's she's just a good person but she like handled her shit and continues to do so and i think that like when you because you know those phases like i don't know about you but you haven't gone into this area of psychedelics but like i always have this like at some point usually like a deep deep cry of like recognition for things like you know like stuff that happened, like my dad pain and being like, okay, like there's this wound of like bad, sad stuff. And then I'm like, well, this is also shaped who I am. So this is like where I get my warrior strength. And I got that during one of my journeys. And I was like, cool, thanks for reminding me. And it sucked to go there. I didn't

want to go. I don't want to remember just like painful memories. But then I acknowledged them and then I went to the next phase of, you know, then it got galactic, you know. But I think you have to, you get access to that stuff when you have to. Get past your personal bullshit. Yes. Yes. That's what I think. Yeah, for sure.

I think you understand it more. Yes, that's what I think. Yeah, for sure. I think you understand it more. I think there's a bunch of different altered states of consciousness that people achieve that we take for granted. And I think music is one of them. And I was really thinking that after your show last night. For sure.

I enjoyed the fuck out of that. It was so good. I haven't seen a live performance in so long. To be able to sit in Anton's and just take it in, man. It was amazing. First of all, you killed it killed it and those brothers who are those brothers peterson god damn those guys are good yeah out of backdrop texas right now shout out to the peterson brothers yeah man they're amazing amazing seeing them since they were like 9 and 11. Really? They're still early 20s. Yeah, they seem so young.

The guitar player had this effortless style. It pisses me off. He was so fast. You were saying that last night. It pisses me off. I hate watching musicians that make it look easy because I'm struggle faced like all day. There they are right there. Yeah, man.

There they are. Yeah, like he has like this sweet smile. Alex's smile. right there. Yeah, man. There they are. He has this sweet smile. Alex's smile. His sweet smile. Alex on bass, Glenn on the guitar. My guy John D is back there on keys, Brandon Temple on drums. Oh my God. That dude,

Glenn, when he shreds, he just has a smile on his face and it's crazy. Yeah, it's real sweet to watch. We've done a lot of shows out with them on tour, running around. Look at these hippies. Look at the fucking things hanging from the wall and shit. Full on hippies.

You went over their house like, oh, they have weed. Bro, that's what my studio used to look like. You're like, actually, that's your studio? Yeah, that was the one. Gary, the vocals last night, well, aside from your voice sounding so amazing but do the dudes normally sing with you that much that many voices? Well I um...

Suzanne gets sensitive to that. I loved it! Wait did I? Oh my nose itches from the test. No, no. I was like, are my eyes watering? It was beautiful. Yeah but I switched up my band right before everything got locked down right on and um and so yeah it was really important i grew up you know being a choir dude and loving like

r&b groups and all that type of stuff so i love those harmonies that curtis may feel like you're in your element like for for real it was beautiful i was i mean we've been spending the house for months i mean yeah setting up the studio. We got so fucked up. Like, I went and bought a light system, and I'm running a light show in there just because I miss it so much. You know, it's like lights flashing. Just for yourself? Just because I miss the energy. Oh, my God.

Of that. But, yeah, man. There's something about live performance that takes you to another place. It really does. And I think by the time we got there i was pretty sober you know yeah like it wasn't being high it was just sitting there and and you're what you're hearing these sounds and and you experience expression and creativity from the people that are playing and it like puts you in this place that you don't get to without music that's a very it's a very

interesting place that you get to particularly see live music and then there's the other factor the crowd vibe yeah like there's this vibe of the crowd like in between songs whoa it's like this good feeling yeah it's great i missed it thanks for coming out and sitting in sorry we fucked up yourself you know what I love about that it was so real and like that's the thing like shit goes wrong on stage

and I'm so used to it it's like well this guitar is crapping out on me so I'm just gonna put it down and move around and it was fun

it was awesome I had fun it was awesome it was beautiful I mean that was the first time we'd been out this week

doing stuff you know and I was really inspired by seeing you guys you know come down and do stuff I was like I gotta get doing stuff you know and i was really inspired by seeing you guys you know come down and do stuff i was like i gotta get back out yeah well i got inspired by doing by first of all i i took a long time off i did uh one weekend in july and then i got weirded out i was like

where was that in the houston improv okay but i was like i don't want to get any inside yeah i was like i don't want to get any sick i don't want to get sick right but then after a while you're like i gotta live my fucking life like i can't this is a part of my life and then tony was in town yeah and tony was doing this place called vulcan gas company and i dropped in and did a set and then immediately i was like okay i'm back cool like right away and then dave was here the next week and dave's like come come do a set so i did a set and then after the show dave grabs me he's like let's do a residency joe rogan he was loving it he's like this was so much fun come on let's have some fun and i was like let's

have some fun fuck it so we're doing a bunch of shows in december and then we're gonna probably do some more uh in the upcoming months too i mean that's why i'm here like that's full circle it's so crazy because i told i know i've told you both the story but like to explain it it's like i was sitting in the studio telling my producer about this new song that's on our on my record that i love and i was like i wrote this in one sitting after watching sticks and Stones for the fourth time because I've seen it so many times. But it's such a powerful work of, I mean, you can call it art, yeah, but it's so much more than comedy in the way that Dave,

what he's doing is so powerful and it speaks to a greater area of thought that we need to acknowledge and also makes you laugh. And he weaves it in this way that it's like, I can't put it to words. And I was so, and I don't write songs in one sitting, like I'm lazy. So like, I, I couldn't, I just couldn't stop. And I was telling John Spiker, my producer, I was like, God, I just fucking love that guy. And then I opened up my Instagram and it was like joe rogan and dave chappelle doing a residency at stubs and i was like what the fuck and i texted you

and i i was like i shouldn't go i shouldn't that's not safe i shouldn't go and then i texted you and you're like well let's jam that was like oh god now i have to go well gary already beat the cooties yeah i'm so glad you're better we got two cootie virgins in this room. I know. And then two cootie veterans. I'll tell you what. If I get cooties from your show last night, worth it. Yeah.

You're welcome. I just don't want to give it to anybody else. Yes. That's it. That's it. Yeah. I'm doused the fuck up with vitamins. I don't see anyone.

I live alone and I'm single. So I'm just going to go home after this. At the end of the day, we all got to live our lives. I envy people like Jamie and you that have got it and kicked it and don't worry about So I'm just going to go home after this. At the end of the day, we all got to live our lives. I envy people like Jamie and you that have got it and kicked it and don't worry about it now. Because now you can just kind of wander around. You don't have to be worried about it. I wander around a little bit, but I mean, I still don't know.

Yeah, you don't know. But only like, I think worldwide, less than 10 people have ever got it twice a friend of mine pretty crazy friend of mine wife's friend who's a nurse got it twice within like four weeks being a nurse she might not have ever kicked it if it's within four weeks she might not have ever kicked it you know the the thing about nurses is they're just the i hate this term viral load. It sounds dirty, but they just get a lot of viral load. You know, it's like they're don't. I know it.

It sounds pretty gross. No, they do. They're on the front lines, man. My sister's a nurse. She's she works with the babies though. She's in a NICU unit,

but it's still like, you gotta watch yourself. It's rough yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah wild stuff friend of mine his his wife is a nurse and she was pregnant doing this whole thing still going to work and she's well that's fucked gangster absolutely straight up g damn that's as gangster as it gets because you got to think about this little child inside are there studies on how it affects babies anyone who's pregnant who gets it is there any like information i don't think they know i mean you gotta think about this is an eight month old

pandemic it's like there's so much information that they need to compile after all this all said and done right it's wild shit we're living through but it could be a whole lot worse you know it could be yeah i think that like it's a nice wake-up call that it's not nice that's not the right word but like it's a wake-up call that i i'll speak for myself it's like shaped my life for the better because like you know there's no touring there's no like i can i can do like night after night after night like day after day after day of travel and be exhausted and like maybe not tend to some of the emotional things that i've had to tend to during quarantine and i have deep gratitude for it because i fucking face that shit down that. Well, sometimes you need your schedule to get thrown off.

Just so you recognize, like, listen, bitch, you're not in control of anything. Yeah. This is good for you. It's good for you to know. You got to be adaptive all the time. And this is thrown. I mean, some people thrive through this. I know people that have lost weight, created new comedy specials.

Like, there's just people that have, like, created new comedy specials. There's just people that have worked really hard through it and said, listen, I'm going to use this time. And there's other people that have just fallen apart. They're on Twitter 12 hours a day yelling at everybody. Yeah, man. This thing has been a real reality check for me.

Touring has been everything for me. I was touring for the last 10 years and hadn't been able to move around. I was like, oh, shit. That's all I got. This is it. But it's been cool, man, because I'm fortunate.

I haven't been home. I've missed a lot of things with my two older kids. I missed the first steps. I missed the first words. I missed all that kind of stuff. I got my little one-year-old, and this time I've seen everything. of things with my two older kids you know i missed the first steps i missed the first words i missed all that kind of stuff and so i got you know my little one-year-old and this time i've seen everything i've seen this teeth you know pop up i see my oldest teeth fall out you know and all

that kind of stuff and just been around for those things and watch their brains work every day pick up something and put it back out there so i've really taken this time to just kind of be there and thank god my wife she's got like three businesses and Stuff and got this thing called bump suit, you know, she's selling clothes to pregnant women And so she's been holding this whole thing down been able to just kind of re Evaluate yeah, what am I gonna do? You know, this is touring shit like yeah, you know do another hustle I just been barbecuing man I'm the smoker like trying to make the best brisket I can that's good we

went to special we went to Terry Black's and they showed us these grills that they made themselves these smokers yeah they well they had made with like propane tanks yeah you know they had a giant propane tank things and then you know the offset with the box and the tank crazy things and then you know they get the offset with the box and the problem with that shit is you you look at that and go okay i think i need one in my life yeah i think i need to start you would build it yeah i need to start welding do you have like a grill selection in your at your house do you have like oh i'm not sure which grill i want to use today kind of thing i have two but okay one of them i just used to sear

okay but the main cooking i do on a traeger which is like the easiest is that the one that looks like an egg no no i got rid of that one that one uh it triggers like uh it looks like it is a smoker but the box has pellets in it right you know i think it's all electronic yeah you can set it on your app i'll set it to like one get the fuck out of here yeah i got one of them too it's the shit i love it i go back and forth between like analog and digital which is the same way i am with my yeah right music life but it's like you know i like smelling like you know do you ever get into those digital pedal boards that was it yeah i cut the line there yeah i i'm with you on that what is it see the pedals.

What digital pedal board is like instead of standing on it, you would... Some nerd shit. It's just like it's... You press a button. It's like a whole interface of like... Like Gary's pedal board last night, there's all these different pedals and they're different colors and sizes and they look like that. Oh, there we go. The helix. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just not as much fun. How do you go up and down? Because I see you guys use your feet to... One of the things I love about music is I don't know anything. So I love watching like, wow, how are they making these crazy noises? But I notice you're moving your feet up and down.

How would you do that digitally? Well, that's a volume pedal. That's different. Oh. Is that a wah-wah pedal? What I was using? Yeah. Yeah, it's probably a wah.wah pedal what i was using yeah yeah it's probably going up and down yeah yeah so how would you do that digitally i don't know how this stuff

works i don't like yeah that stuff can you shake whatever i don't know how that oh that's somebody doing both yeah yeah i was showing them both they're like the alternative of having everything all together guitar pedal orgy wow with the digital and you step on these things yeah you start orgy like you know like the green one will give you like a kind of a boost a little distortion you know how do you know which one to grab jesus a lot of time at home alone just making noise just fucking around just yeah whoa what does that do yeah smoke one and like trip out for a couple hours

it's fun yeah I'm not very good at it it's fun to watch other people crush it I learned a lot last night music is a fucking trip it really is

cause it's kind of like a drug in some ways like there's songs that you hear when you're working out that just juice you up like like a legit juice

like if you could drink a shot. Wasn't it Jumpstart My Heart, was that it? That's good. That's the one, yeah. Kickstart My Heart. Kickstart My Heart. Motley Crue, yeah, that's a good one. Dude, Don't You Worry About a Thing,

that is my opening song on my workout playlist. Dude, you show me some love and yeah, my phone always blows up when you do stuff like that. When you played that last night for your final song, I was like, yes! Yeah, with the Peterson brothers, too. Dude, that was amazing. And that was like a 10-minute version of it. It was incredible.

I know, man. And I was thinking about that, too. It was like people hadn't heard music in a long time. And I'll go for two, two and a half hours. I'm like, is this too much? No. It was perfect. It was perfect.

It was perfect. We enjoyed the shit out of it. We had such a great time but this if you could get in a shot form like what it does when you hear a great song when you're working out like yeah you know what i mean that yeah that's that's real it's a drug it does something to your body changes molecules and it does it does it really actually does the more good music you have in your life i gotta think you're gonna have a better life. It's a more enjoyable life. That's why it's weird when people don't listen to music.

When they're like, nah, I don't really, you know. Who the fuck are those people? They're out there. Doug Stanhope doesn't. Doug Stanhope hates music. That's weird. But I like him a lot. I guess because I love it so much.

I don't understand. Turn that shit off. It's a part of my whole life. No way could just like, I turn that shit off. Yeah. It's a part of my whole life. No way. It's a part of my whole life. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I can't imagine a world without. I was saying last night, like I just playing in my living room by myself is super rewarding. Like I just, it's like medicine, you know? And I do miss shows for sure,

but I still like at its core just picking up a guitar and singing in my living room alone i actually discovered the other week that i live in like a house kind of apartment the top of this old house there's wood floor under the carpeting and i ripped it up and i refinished it and stained it. I did like 30 hours of work. It looks beautiful. You did this all yourself? Yeah. I like projects.

And I don't like idle time. So when I have something to do like that, that's just like labor, I'm all in. But I will tell you, the sound in my living room is so fucking awesome now. Like just even as soon as I took it, I'll text you what I did. As soon as I ripped it up,

I was like clapping and it was like, you know, like just the acoustics were so great. But it like meant the world to me to do it during this. And then, cause that's, I mean, I'm not really going to many places. I'm not playing music. So out other than in my living room. Are you recording?

Yeah, I'm almost done. I'm almost done with the record. There's so many songs and they're not gonna fit on a vinyl so i gotta make some gotta kill your babies i gotta kill some people oh man no i'm not gonna kill them i'm gonna put them on ice in a little chamber time capsule and then they'll whatever happened to big man big man it's on it's on you guys own that is that now we own the song but it's well big man's on honey honey's three it is oh not big man i'm talking about punk kid punk kid oh yeah uh we own it it's just never been released i don't know why we've been we should just put it out on spotify it's a great fucking song you hold on to some stuff

i think that the thing with honey honey is we're just like disorganized and that's the truth we have lots of cool shit we were doing a podcast for a minute and we'll probably do it again it was it was on patreon it was really fun we would it was like our wayne's world we would just like play some songs and then just fuck it it was really a therapy hour where we would talk about how we'd recovered from a toxic relationship and how we love each other as friends so much that was pretty much it but a lot of people really liked it um but yeah i mean he ben's like scoring a film he has his own music i've got my music i'm um producing a television

show that we're selling i I told you about that. And it's just like, there's a lot going on, man. Shit to do. Keep moving. Yeah, but I want to do it all. Tearing up carpet. Yeah. Sanding down floors.

Making music. I kind of broke my body on that one, though. That was a tough recovery. It's serious work. I know. That's like real labor. Did you use all the chemicals and shit, too? No, I had, well, yeah.

My good buddy's a furniture maker, and I had a Festool sander, that's like real labor did you use all the chemicals and shit too no i had well yeah my my good buddy's a furniture maker and i had a festool sander which is like a top of the line and it has a hepa filter so it sucks up all the sawdust so i didn't have to like you know um uh what's the word i want to use uh die yeah i didn't want to die well i did you know i polyurethane and i i locked i have two kitty cats that I love to death. And I locked them in my kitchen for a couple days. And when I let them out, Bootsy Collins did like puke for a few days. And I was like, oh, God, did I just kill her?

But she's fine. She's cool. Cats are adaptable. They are. Soaking those chemicals. I love that. Your cat's name is Bootsy Collins. Bootsy Collins.

She's the best. She doesn't have a tail. They had to cut her tail off because somebody hurt her when she was a kitten. Yeah, but she's cool, man. She's one of those, like, she's a cat with trauma, but she's so happy. Like, she purrs all the time, and she's a good girl. You're a cat lady. I am.

You know, I got shamed for it recently, and I was like, really? I thought that was interesting because I have a lot of love to give. And I got them because I was lonely. And I was like, and I love animals. I realized recently, I do want babies. And I want a big house full of animals, babies, and music, and a revolving door of just incredible guests with food on the table,

and we're just feasting and loving life. That's what I want. This is what you've been thinking of during the quarantine. Yeah, yeah. Because I didn't think I wanted kids. You've got to find someone to give you babies, or you've got to go... Yeah, he's around.

He's coming. I don't know where he is. I don't know. Oh, you feel it. He's out there. Yeah, yeah. When the vibration changes. Yeah.

Well, because I'm so happy like alone so it's like gonna take like a warrior king you know like i'm not gonna like i'm gonna throw up it's true because any guy calls himself a warrior king yeah that's kind of fucked up it's just he he can't he can't call himself that only I can call him that that's the rule you shouldn't even call him that Can I call him Thor can I call him Thor Gary how long would a relationship last for one was calling you a warrior King? Nick calls you that Calls me King

Put a warrior in front of it. Warrior is the thing that makes it douchey, though. Yeah, okay. Can I just say king then? Yeah. Help me refine my vision board. Warrior king. It's like, oh.

Warrior king sounds like a TV show. Yeah, it does. And I think it is one, actually. I feel like I've seen that on Netflix. I'm so embarrassed. Oh, can I get a do-over this is your honest with your fantasies there's nothing wrong i just shamed you it's my fault no it's okay i can handle it but like i got shamed for the cats my uh my neighbor made some comment about like because

i was like oh man i think i want to foster a dog too because i love dogs and he was like whoa suze you're really pushing it with the cats already. And I said, what do you mean? He's like, well, bros aren't into that. And I was like, I don't want a bro. And I was like- Who said bros aren't into cats? I don't want to get into who it was, but I was-

No, Jamie, no. Oh no, I can't date that guy. I can't date that guy. That's like some Ren Faire shit. What if the guy was perfect, but he's really into cosplay? Everything else about him was great. I know, that's like the nightmare,

but no. I'm having a good time flying solo. I'll pass. What about everything else was great. He's just really into dressing up. That would take some time. That would take some time. He's like,

should I have to tell you about. I need you to put on this bunny suit. It's really important to me. I know it's going to sound crazy, but I'm going to dress up like Conan, and you're going to be Red Sonja. You got the hair for it right now. I know. You're not in. I mean, it depends.

It depends. Fuck. Now I'm scared. You should be. Going back to king just king so uh your douchebag neighbor said that guys aren't into cats yeah he shamed me for having too many animals and being a single woman i was like okay so let me let me just add this up so like i have things that i love and i take care of and that is a negative reflection of my person as a dateable like entity i'm like that's fucking dumb that's dumb that's super dumb is your neighbor um uh happy person well then he i i like i like kind of neutered him i got mad i was like what the

fuck's wrong with you dude and and then he went you know well i am pretty lonely so maybe you have a point and then i was like well yeah step up i'm so mad i was like how dare you wow yeah i don't i don't like making people feel bad but the suzanne don't make fun of my cats sometimes the people are sad they lash out at other people you know yeah that's the expression hurt people hurt people yeah there you go it's the truth that's what it is it's just but i don't want to hurt the people that hurt the people. I'd actually like to be kind to them. Too late. It was too late.

Oops. No take backs on that. People get like fucking super sensitive about their pets, though, because it's a part of your life. You know, someone talks shit about a cat or a dog that you love, you're like, man, fuck. Well, a lot of people don't like cats. It's interesting. Like people that don't like dogs, they don't like dogs.

People that don't like cats it's interesting like people that don't like dogs they don't like dogs people that don't like cats hate cats like it's like you know this weird attitude and that's fine it was more the like attacking my person thing i was like hold on but yeah i get it i mean some people have like ferrets and you know rodents as pets i'm not into that fucking snakes yeah i'm not into that that's that's when you know you got a real problem like you're you're willing to take some serpent into your house into that and pretend that thing gives a fuck about you i say interesting energy you know of other people that like that stuff too they're just trying to be interesting there's some guy who who's living here and he had a pet cobra i think that got out and he's in his car or something

and like that's just got out and killed him in his car killed him in his car no here in austin well something like this i'm not sure but like some dude had a cobra and killed him people like whenever someone gets a pet alligator it usually usually ends up, like, in Ohio, out in the lake. You can't have a pet alligator. Here it is. Autopsy. T used cobra to commit suicide. Oh, shit.

Oh, wow. Well, that's different. That's dark. That is dark. That's dark. Oh. He had multiple separate bites on each arm. The bite showed no evidence that he tried to pull away from the snake as it struck.

The autopsy said the bites appeared to be intentional injection sites. And Thompson had a history of suicidal ideation. Ugh. That's rough. Okay. Imagine your kid. Your kid's just really in the dark shit. Be like, eh, he'll be fine. He's got a cobra to keep

him company. I'm not having a damn snake in my arm. Fuck that. Specifically thought out way a damn snake in my own. Fuck that. Specifically thought out way to go. Like, damn. Well. Anyway.

Anyway. I think you're good with your cats. Yeah, thanks, Gary. The snake got out and they couldn't find it for a little while. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's like, oh, jeez. Austin police searching for cobra believed to have killed a man.

You know what? Isn't that crazy? This police searching for Cobra believed to have killed a man. You know what? This is interesting. Cobra on the loose. On that note, Gary and Joe Rogan, there was, this is not funny. In Ohio, I think it was in Zanesville. Jamie, do you remember when that guy had all the animals? Yeah. And they, he committed suicide. But before he did, he let them all out.

And there were bears lions tigers wolves and the fucking saddest thing is that they killed all of them the cops had the cops killed but they were like they had to shut down the schools because they were trying to get a cat there was like like 70 animals or something that this man had but it's interesting like the psychology of it of like people that are doing that shit it's like you're not supposed to have those animals let alone in ohio well people don't want to kill themselves too like they their whole vision of what life is is off right they're just ready to end it so they're like fucking let the cats they're not even thinking about what's going to happen to these cats yeah 18 tigers 17 lions eight bears three cougars two wolves one bab 1 macaque, and 1 man dead in Ohio.

Wow. Yeah, man. Well, I mean, how many people watched Tiger King and decided they need a fucking tiger in their yard? That was tough during quarantine. You can get one here. You can get a lot of them here. There's more here in captivity than all the wild of the world. In Texas?

In private collections there's more tigers in people's fucking yards in texas than of all of the wild of planet earth what yep there's a bit i had in my act 2016 triggered available now on netflix damn right i mean i get first of all that's fucked up but but also like you know um environment from the environmental standpoint like is that a like do they thrive here, just being outside? No, you can just get them. Texas is wild. That's why we saw Gary last night.

You can go see a live show. People can do things here. We had a restaurant yesterday. When was the last time you did that? It's been a very long time. I've gone to outdoor restaurants in LA, but not inside. Yeah, you can go inside here. It was so fun.

Texas is a different animal, and they let you have zebras. Right. Yeah. I knew a dude the other day. I met a dude who was getting some zebras. He was talking about getting... Remember that guy? He was talking about getting some zebras.

I'm like, why are you getting zebras? What's he going to do with the zebras? Have them just wander around his yard. He's like, what are you doing? He's like, mate them. I was like, well, all right. Yeah, you're going to mate zebras. Was he trying to sell you a zebra? No. No wander around his yard. He's like, what are you doing? He's like, mate him. I was like, well, all right. Yeah, you're going to mate zebras. Was he trying to sell you a zebra?

No. No. But I would think of it. The problem is if someone offers you one, you go, how much room do they need? What do they eat? Okay. Yeah. Zebras can't be tamed.

You know, they're in the horse family, but no one rides a zebra. No. Not happening, baby. Mm-mm. Doesn't seem right wow i'm thinking about it the first time i left to go out on tour heading out west towards around like snyder texas i looked out somebody had a ranch i was like is that a fucking zebra yeah yeah there's a shitload of exotic animals there's that are here that are in either endangered or almost extinct in

the wild yeah they thrive in texas oh man i mean a neighbor of mine he's got an ostrich he's got llamas yeah the other day i drove back to my crib and this motherfucker had a buffalo like a bison and i was like how where do you who's dealing those motherfuckers out here? You can get a lot of those. You can order them. It's really odd. Again, the psychology of it. I'm sure. I mean, I get the, I want a novelty pet, which sucks because I think sometimes there's a

lot of negligence with that where you're like, you don't need a fucking tiger. Or there's a lot of negligence with people that have cats. Sure. What are you trying to say? 30 of them. 30 of them in a one-bedroom apartment just shitting all over the place that's different that's i only have two people are crazy they are some people are crazy with zebras some people are crazy with cats yeah

that's true god what are we gonna do now i'm trying to hang on to my chickens i just lost the chicken the other day to a coyote. Fucking coyotes. I got a fat coyote in my neighborhood. They're out here, man. Yeah. Dude took a picture of it and showed it to me. I was like, that looks like a wolf. That's the fattest coyote I've ever seen.

He's so fat. They're pretty gnarly. But they're well fed. And they'll surround you. Yeah. I have them in Silver Lake on my street. And I got in my car once, and there was one kind of behind the car and two up above and i was i did not like it i did not like they're sketchy as fuck if they're really hungry and no one's

around they'll make it go at you you think so they've killed people before oh man really i've gone out to go close the chicken coop at the end of the night and there's been one like 10 feet away and he's like i'm not moving mother yeah i'm i'm getting something yeah I lost all my chickens to coyotes Lost the whole 22 of them 22? My dog killed a couple of them Are they free range or they got into the pen? This is what happened

I had this dog named Johnny Cash I had one named Frank Sinatra too That's pretty good Johnny Cash was He was one named Frank Sinatra, too. That's pretty good. Johnny Cash was huge. He was a powerful animal. And this coyote honeypotted him. This coyote tricked him to thinking that she was his buddy. That's so sad.

The gate was open. I think the pool guy left the gate open. And so he went over to where the chicken coop was. And he's so big. gate open and so he went over to where the chicken coop was and he's so big that the we have what happens when a chicken um have you seen what happens when um i forget what it's called brooding where they decide that they're the egg that they laid they're going to turn into a chick even though there's no rooster yeah yeah yeah so they they start plucking their feathers out and they sit on this egg and they won't that's not fertilized

yeah it's not a fertilized egg well they get crazy they're like you know they think that they're supposed to breed and then these chicks never come and so like a flips a switch flips in their brain and so then they start plucking their feathers out and the only way to cure them of that you have to take them out of the large chicken coop and put them in a small one and make them put their claws on like a rail. So they just hang onto the rail and they sit there. You know, like they would normally. Interesting.

The way they go to sleep is they sit on these rails. So you just put them in this small box that they can't really go anywhere and they just have to sit on this rail. So they can't sit down and brood. They can't sit down and like think that they have an egg under them okay and so once they're on that for a couple of days they let it go they forget and then they go back and they act normal again well when they were in that little small cage the coyote tricked johnny cash into smashing the small cage no because johnny cash is a tank and you know and the coyote's like pawing at the

thing and johnny's like oh i got this boom he just wrecks it tears it apart is this on video no but me and the family are playing some game like monopoly or some shit i see a coyote run across the backyard with a chicken in its mouth and bounce over this six foot fence like it didn't exist oh my god like a gazelle like you can't exist. Oh my God. Like a gazelle. Like you can't believe how agile those little fucks are. Oh my God. It was crazy. With a chicken in his mouth.

So I ran. I opened the back door. You motherfucker. And I ran. And then I go over and I see Johnny standing there next to this wrecked cage. I'm like, what the fuck, dude? And then I put two and two together. He didn't even bark.

I'm like, oh, that's his friend. That't that coyotes his friend because we've been seeing the coyotes come around he's way too big for the coyotes to eat right so the coyotes are probably hmm I think I tricked a stupid motherfucker and get in that cage over there they're smart you can't beat him John smart so that was one and then when he realized he likes killing chickens then he realized also that that chicken wire is not strong enough to stop him so he plowed through the chicken wire and made a hole in there and went on a rampage and he killed a bunch of them that day he killed did he eat him or just kill him oh snap next snap oh that's so sad just dog instincts they can't help it they just don't

they don't know what's going on they just think that's what I'm supposed to kill. In nature, a dog's supposed to kill a small bird like that, especially if it can't fly. That's just what you do. You get one cornered, it's your lucky day. So he went on a little killing spree. So then we saved most of them, and then there was a fire, and the fire burnt the chicken coop down,

and then there was a bunch just running around. So then we had to take the bunch that are running around, and we had to put them in a temporary coop while we're rebuilding the other coop and the coyotes got into the temporary coop and killed them all they killed like i think 11 in a day oh my god yeah not good those they're fucking smart they're smart yeah they're sneaky and smart it's so interesting about living in Los Angeles is that like even in like, and you're kind of like Calabasas was a little like you had a little more like nature around. But like there's so much wildlife there in the middle of the city. And, you know, I love it.

I'm ready for some some wide open spaces, though. I'm definitely going to move to Texas. That's's what you're saying i'm thinking about it man i just like hanging out with you guys and some of my other good buds here i was like this is nice time to move to texas i like it here yeah i i was talking to michael your uh road manager yeah yeah and i love him michael weed and and he's not a pothead and i was like good because that'd be too literal yeah not at all dad is a doctor is dr weed yeah yeah he's but he was he was talking about his dad's doctor his dad's a doctor yeah dr weed is amazing yeah you should have a website too pot is for losers that's pretty good yeah right that's pretty good

damn no no i interrupted you dr weed what kind of area of medicine too. W-E-E-D. The pot is for losers. That's pretty good. Yeah, right? That's pretty good. Damn. No, no, I interrupted you. Dr. Weed. What kind of area of medicine? I don't know. Family general practice. I don't know. It takes care of everything. Alright. Well, I mean, I'm going to need a doctor when I move here. So I'm like, I'm going to have to look up Dr. Weed. Dr. Weed.

He's retired at this point. He was a man for a minute. But's retired at this point. Yeah, yeah. He was a man for a minute. But anyway, we were talking about fishing last night. And I don't know if he did it, but he was leaving the show last night and was going to get up early and go hunting. Yeah. And he was just like, the thought of living in a place where I could, you know, build my career, play music, do all the things that I need to do to survive and that I love to do, but also be like, I'm going to go fishing tomorrow morning an hour from here or whatever.

That is like, that's the dream. And you can't really, I mean, you can do that in LA, but it's not, it's like a limited, you know, it's not a lot of the best nature choices like it's also in the center of the country like when touring starts again you can go everywhere yeah yeah from here yeah it's interesting thing i love about it we just hop on the bus and go east or west yeah north figure out you know yeah and there's a lot of places to go just in texas it's a pretty dope spot. San Antonio right down the street. I'm already looking at the whole rental market, okay?

I've been taking a peek. New Orleans is close, too. New Orleans is very close. Very close. I'm a salesperson for Texas. I know. I'm trying to convince everybody to move here

because, look, LA's dead. Whatever it was, it's not the same thing anymore. I mean, it's still alive, right? But it's not LA. It's different. is dead whatever it was it's not the same thing anymore i mean it's still alive right but it's not la it's different i love it i've been there 17 years i think it's a beautiful place but uh you know upon further review just in terms of like like i might have to move soon and my rent is so cheap like i have one of those diamond in the rough really great artist spots but if i have to move, I'm either going to have to downsize, which will break my heart, or pay double.

And I don't want to do that. I'd rather move back to Cleveland. I would. But then Austin just popped up. I was like, oh, my God, it's actually pretty affordable here for somebody like me. You guys have a hub here, a music hub. This is like a real music spot. There's a lot of musicians here.

People are nice too. I've been getting that. I'm like, oh, there's lots of nice people. They're nicer. Yeah. Like legitimately nicer. There's less of them. Today when I bought a coffee and I told them my name and I always say Santo.

Because if I say Suzanne, they say Susan and I hate it. And then I was like santo and then and then he said oat milk latte for santa and i was like ho ho ho and i bet everybody was laughing and i was like well see you later and i was like well that was fun love you too austin santa that was great there's when there's less people i think people value people more. I think LA is just too many people. People are just a nuisance. They're in the way. Also, people move there for a specific reason, and it's usually...

Because they're broken. And then there's like, well, it's that or you have your craft. And there's some folks that are really honing in on the craft. And there's some folks that are, you know, exploiting it for broken purposes. But it's like, you know, this kind of thing. And I've never been into that. Yeah, it's all about me town in a lot of ways. Yeah.

It's also it's like, do you need to be there? Like, what's so great about being there? Like, for comedians, it was always our hub. But then when they killed that, it doesn't seem like that's coming back anytime soon. There's a great music scene there. I mean, but a lot of people moved. Like, that's the thing. It's like a lot of people moved.

To a place where they can work. Exactly. Yeah. The same thing with comics. They're leaving LA in droves just because they can't work there. Yeah. Like, a lot of guys have gone back on the road like there was a lot of guys that were terrified of covid for like the first six months and then like jeez i gotta make a fucking living

i can't do this and then they started going on the road and then they realized like oh i could go to nashville and and perform i could go to houston and perform and they just started touring just like fuck it i'm gonna go all the places that will have me. Yep. That makes sense. Well, it's weird. There's a whole restructuring of a lot of things, and I think Hollywood is one of them, and the entertainment industry, obviously.

And I have a lot of gratitude for L.A. It's where I cut my teeth, and I really, like, it was hard, and it still is. like I feel like I you know took it's temperature it's good I'm good and now I think

it's time to try other things did I send you that video the other day of the guy fishing in the LA river you did yeah

I thought it was a joke I just watched that did you watch that I thought it was a joke crazy the guy's fishing and eating fish out of the LA river

just like fried up on a fucking refrigerator. Yes, exactly. Exactly. That's the same video. It was innovative. I mean, but it was also like, what? I can't think about the LA River without thinking about you guys. About thinking about that song.

Oh, yeah. I love that song. I love that song, too. Ben wrote that one. He wrote that when we were in the studio recording our second record, Billy Jack. And he was sitting at the piano. i remember hearing him like start the chords and then he went home and wrote it and came back and it was like well we gotta put that on the record wow it's a beautiful song that is the la river song you know because it's yeah it's everything about how fucked up the la river is but

you know that used to be like a prime steelhead river no shit to fill it used to be filled with steelhead and trout yeah and then they decided to cement it in because uh the army corps of engineers went in there and cemented it in that was in the video when the video with the guy fishing they kind of explained it right like they cement they fucked it up because everybody's houses would get flooded. You know, because you know how LA, when it rains, there's no irrigation. No one knows what to fucking do. Right.

Like, when it rains, it just floods everything because nothing is set up for rain. And so when it did that, it was flooding all these houses. So they go, I don't know what to do with this fucking encasement on cement. Devastating. I didn't know that was a story. But it's a man-made river, isn't it? No, it's a real river. Didn't Mulholland, though,

or he dammed it, right? There was some damming. Yeah. A lot of weird shit went on with the whole water going out to the ocean, but it was always a real river. You know, I'm thinking

of the Silver Lake Reservoir. That is obviously man-made. Yeah, that's awesome. But it's really cool to look at photos of what it was. Like Los Feliz was all farm country yeah and and there's photos when you walk around the Silver Lake Reservoir of like it at same there's like horses and carriages and it's like it looks so much shorter because there aren't houses on the hills or in tall trees it's just like it's amazing I love

that shit you used to go to Jerry's Famous Deli in Woodland Hills. And it would have all these farms, these photos of farms from like the early 1900s on that area. It was all just farms. And then, you know, I would sit there with my kids and we'd look at these pictures of like what it used to look like. Wow, that's crazy. This is right here. This is what it used to look like. And I remember saying, this is going to happen to look like. Wow, that's crazy. This is right here. This is what it used to look like. And I remember saying,

this is going to happen to this place. Like what you see right now, take a picture of this because come back in a hundred years, it's not going to look anything like this. Because nothing stays the same. Things just get, they grow and they get crazy

and then they expand and they fill up. And I remember my daughter was probably six at the time. She's looking at me like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'm six. I'm six.

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I'm six. I'm six. I'm six. yeah but one thing we're learning now from this pandemic is that that is true yeah that you could think that everything's going to be what it used to be this is going to it's going to stay the same things are not staying the same new york is fucked la is fucked you know it's it's interesting i i think it's like the good part of that the silver lining is like people got to work you got like not like work a job but like you you got to figure it out you know like we are such a like I want to use my words carefully like people are so precious you know and that's not to say there isn't real struggle because there really is but for the most part like the things that a lot of folks yammer on about it's like

we don't have it that bad it's really not that bad it can be for certain areas of the country certain demographics and those things do need attention um and there there's there is real effort that that will involve but like a lot of the bullshit of just like our you know social media stuff it's like it accentuates mental illness people that have what you would consider a mild mental illness where they're obsessive and they're constantly checking their phone and they're reading their tweets and then arguing with people it's a mental illness it's no different than people who jerk off all day or people who can't stop gambling it's a similar kind of thing and people that get tigers yeah they start collecting

accentuates it with these people this this covid thing is ramp their mental illness up in a big way because now that there's no job to go to now they're just sitting at home just just dealing with whatever weirdo obsessions they have. And then a lot of their mental interaction with other human beings is coming from an impersonal, digital, text-based way where you don't have any connection to the person on the other end. And people are nasty to each other because of it. Because they don't feel it. There's no person in front of you.

It's like this numb exchange. I had a thought not that long ago that really made me check myself and i was like oh i haven't so-and-so hasn't you know been on social media in a while they're probably not doing well and then i was like oh my god maybe they're doing great exactly i was like they're probably amazing yeah and how what a weird way to try to measure someone's you know know, state, mental state or whatever. And I like, you know, I need social media for my career, but I hate it. And my like version of success is when like someone does all that stuff for me and then I can go read more books.

But I delete it all the time. So I'm just not looking at it. I'd rather, you know, spend that time in the bathroom reading than flipping through my phone. But it's true. I really thought about that. I was like, I cannot believe you just had that thought, Suzanne. That's the world we live in today.

Get back to reality. But I think it's interesting how we measure how people care about things if they don't post something or they you know that stuff's like that is real it is real you know people need real experiences you can only go so long without real experiences and this sitting at home shit for people for a lot of people it's it's terrible for them just terrible for their their emotions terrible for their they don't have the ability to communicate with people anymore that it crumbles it falls apart it you know it atrophies yeah that's why like last night was

so fun like to go to a place where everybody can just experience like a fun thing together like you can see at the end of the show when we got up like all these people were smiling yeah everybody was smiling that's the thing man you hit him with the good you meant you missed that yeah just like feeling something together and oh yeah that's people need each other i got like i know i sat in on one song but it like knocked me out like i had to go sit down for a couple songs upstairs because i was like I was just, one, not used to performing. And two, I mean, probably I got up early in LA on a plane. But I was like, it was more the intensity of how I just, like, you know, I just took all the energy. I was like, I'm going to, yeah, no holds barred. When did you perform live before that in front of a crowd?

The Jam in the Van show in October. Whoa. live before that in front of a crowd the jam in the van show in october i did uh they did an outdoor show with a socially distanced crowd of 20 people but they i told you this but their sponsors um they have all these like weed and booze sponsors so every like they're like 20 people and it's two tickets at a time so they're like grouped off by twos and each section everyone got a cooler two bottles of wine and a bottle of vodka and people were fucking annihilated and at the end of the night when i settled with the house manager he was like well it was a good night nobody puked that's hilarious and then i was like well was it a good night then, sir? Maybe I didn't rock hard enough. I had a complex about it.

When was the last time you had performed inside? March. I was in New York March 10th. It was one of those shows where I was supposed to, it was like a showcase for me. And there were like a bunch of like labels and publishing companies that were coming in. You're going to hear the new music.

And one of them showed up. And I like flew my whole band out. And it was the next day or so that it was good. We were together like a week before that, weren't we? When we did the podcast last time. And we were like, ha, ha, ha. Wouldn't that be weird? But I was also in New York for 9-11.

And it felt similarly. There was this like ominous, I want to get the fuck out of here feeling. I was also in New York for 9-11, and it felt similarly. There was this, like, ominous, I want to get the fuck out of here feeling. And I had my dad's minivan because I borrowed it for the tour I was on because I didn't want to rent a car and I wasn't getting paid that much money. It's a great van. It's a Chrysler. Hell of a van. But I went back to my parents' house in South Carolina from New York,

and I could not wait to get out of New York. It was such a weird feeling. But, yeah, nobody – it was like some of the people at the show were like – you could just see it coming. It was like half as many people showed up that bought tickets, and then some of them were like, I'm scared, but I'm really know it was kind of i remember shaking a dude's hand on an airplane i went to uh vegas for the ufc there's a dude in front of me we start talking and then afterwards uh he i go hey man real nice to meet you and i go to shake his hand he's like not sure should we

shake hands yeah yeah he was like the first dude i saw with a mask on too he's the only guy on the whole plane with a mask on. And then we decided to go with the fist pump. Which doesn't give any cooties, I guess. Can't get a cootie from a fist pump. They don't even think you're getting it from a handshake. A lot of dudes are doing elbows. I don't know what to do. I want to hug

them and make out with them when they do that. Did you tell them you smelled good? You're like, you smell good, so might as well smooch it down. I don't think you're getting it from hands i don't think they think you get it from i hope not because i had this moment today where i took an immune shot and it had like beet juice in it was all over my thumbs and i i licked my thumbs and i was like oh no standing there i was like excuse me sir do you have a napkin unless someone sneezes in their hand and then gives it to you. But I think most of what you're getting is just from the air.

Well, I had a choice to go down the rabbit hole of terror. Because I was like, well, it's a juice shop. Anyone who doesn't feel good is going to go to the juice shop and get an immunity shot. And then I was like, you know what? Fucking deal with it. I already made the choice. I already licked my thumbs. I think you're going to be okay.

I think so, too. Are you going to be lining up to take the vaccine? That is scary. Everybody feels that way. Well, you don't have to. You have the immunity. Yeah. You have some.

I'd like to see it go around a couple times. Yeah. You know, Spiker, I don't know if I think I'm allowed to say this. His dad got the vaccine back in September and he's been like feeling great. And I guess his dad's one of those people that loves and likes to be on the like test panel for new pharmaceuticals. What a crazy person. Sign up for that shit. Hope he becomes Spider-Man.

Yeah, yeah. He's like one of these is going to turn me into Spider-Man. Fuck it. I mean, I have no doubt that we could start seeing superpowers at some point. Maybe not. Oh, they're definitely going to be doing something. In other countries, they're probably already on it. What about you and the vaccine?

I'll probably take it. Yeah. If I can be assured by people who are doctors, if I can get an assurance, like tell me what's the possible negative side effects. Will you share that information with your other friends? Cool. For sure. Yeah. I have a friend who was already taking it.

He's taking the Russian one. Really? He's a doctor. He took the Russian one recently. And I said, well, what was the side effects? He goes, none. I had no side effects at all. Wow.

Yeah. But I think the Pfizer one or the Moderna one, 80% of the people, when they took the second dose, got really sick. Oh, no. Yeah, the second dose. So you take one, they take another one. Was it three weeks later jamie do you know and then uh they got sick oh so it's a series it's not just one and done you got to get it banged up twice it's a commitment yeah and then four people in the uk got bell's palsy from it oh that's right

you did really yeah but they don't know if it's from it they just know four of the people in the trial got bell's palsy uh you see you'd have it's you'd be like well it was probably the vaccine maybe but when you're dealing with 20 000 people four of them might have got bell's palsy anyway sure i don't know what the number of people that get bell's palsy is could have been totally unrelated they don't really know how soon is this supposed to be happening it's rolling rolling out. They're delivering them now. Right? As we speak. I thought they only had like 3 million and then the next batch is like 3 months away.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, they're delivering some of them now. You know? I guess first responders and, you know, doctors and things along those lines, they're going to get it first. Sure. Nurses.

Cool, cool, cool, cool. We went down a dark road. We started off with acid and aliens. We can go back to acid. Maybe that would cure it. That'd be something. Didn't you say the smoking weed is supposed to be good for it? Did you say that?

I mean, when I was sick, I was smoking through it. Oh, there you go. I heard tequila and smoking is is the cure that's the gary clark jr version hey that's gallon splits love your life even when you're how sick did you get how bad did you get banged up i i was um i got it real bad I got it worse than anybody. Maybe it's because of my lifestyle. But the whole family had it. I was physically down for a few days. But the thing that was really weird to me is I just couldn't handle any noise. People talking to me.

And light was really, really super bright. Oh, wow. Like a concussion almost. I'm sitting in the house eating breakfast breakfast with sunglasses on really yeah it was really it was i've heard that really like migraine kind of like yeah it was just i never had headaches like that before and then i was walking i was trying to do stuff and still had sessions to do so i was walking back and forth from the studio to the house and there was a couple of times where the sharp pain would just hit me and i would just fall out and i was just like what is that you know and i was a couple of times where the sharp pain would just hit me and I would just fall out well and I was just like what is that you know and I'm

a healthy dude and I'm nothing really so I'm just walking all of a sudden just like this is Joel and I'm just laid out on the floor yeah the people that got that I know that got it bad said it feels like an alien virus they said it just feels like the weird like it comes and it goes you think it's gone that it comes back stronger and then there's like this tinny like the weird, like it comes and it goes. You think it's gone, then it comes back stronger. There's like this tinny smell. There's like this weird thing. It was like a flu on something.

It was weird. I made it through, but it definitely wasn't fun. It was uncomfortable for a while. Jamie breezed through that shit. How did the kids? THC and marijuana could help avert fatal covid 19 complications smoke them if you got them boom there you go there we go that's wild um were the kids this like because i heard it like the kids it's sometimes more digestive than like respiratory yeah my kids were fine i mean my son was like making fun of me and i was in bed and he was like you got the virus you know just like all laid up that's hilarious yeah that's hilarious so they

they weren't really affected by do you take vitamins at all yeah i took a bunch of vitamin i take vitamins my wife is always handing me vitamin just let her dole them out hey if she wants me to be here and wants to hang out with me like give me what you got you know I like that attitude I love that so

were you guys gonna record something together while I'm here you guys no were you like yeah I mean

are you doing something oh we were talking about is it 209 it's 205 oh five you have to go soon yeah well we were talking about, is it 209? It's 205. Oh, five. Yeah. Well, we were talking about doing a live version of Fall for that, but we didn't have time. Yeah.

But I guess I'm just going to have to move here. Yeah. Yeah. You have to move here. I got some time. You want to play? Should we play? I'm right down the street, actually.

Oh. I'm good. Bust out some i don't know he was making fun of you for the virus maybe he's gonna have to wait oh you're gonna pick your camp that's right here's why i'm late today son yeah right i was thinking about you talking shit back in june how old is he he's about to be six there's something funny about five and six year old kids talking shit oh man it's hilarious yeah he's blowing my mind with it up what the fuck did you say to me that's hilarious well we talk a lot of shit in

my house so my kids no kidding my kids are really good at talking shit they they fucking they cut me down i bet all the time my daughter i was driving the other day trying to pay attention to directions my daughter's hitting me with math problems she's like come on dummy tell me what this is i'm like whoa she did a 12 year old yeah that's great yeah she's like she's like how much older am i than my sister ready go quick quick how many months quick i'm like hey i'm driving she's like come on dummy wow keep you sharp man it's just fun it's fun yeah man i love having those little ones yeah talking shit to you i just i like it when they get me like when they get me one like oh you got me god it's good to be friends with your kids yeah yeah that's a that's a real thing it's hard it's uh you know i'm not a 12 year old girl it's like she wants to talk to 12 year old girls yeah it's

gonna get weird the next couple years it's yeah yeah yeah it's weird right now but it's it's cool but it's weird it's like you need time where you just do stuff together where you separate from everybody else like you like kids need one-on-one time they don't yeah they don't just need whole family time like everybody needs whole family time but they also need like uh so what do you think about this and what do you think about that and like what's going on with this and you gotta like listen to them and let them let them feel like real comfortable talking to you but you also have to be the one says no it's 9 30 you can't watch tv you gotta go to bed like you're gonna be awake yeah right why you get Why do you get... Because I'm grown.

Get your ass in the bed. Go lay down. Because I bought that fucking TV. It's my TV. Yeah. Shut up. That's real. Yeah, I do whatever I want.

Yeah. I was... My parents, they disciplined. You know what I mean? Like, we listened. And then, like, you know. But I also, like, definitely got... Definitely got, like...

I don't want to say beat, but you know, my mom broke a wooden spoon on my ass chasing me up the stairs once. Oh shit. That was like real. But like, I definitely like really respected their authority. Like when they went, you know, I got in trouble once cause I signed my own detention and then the principal called and when I came home, they were both sitting like, sit down. And I was like, Oh, I remember like your blood runs cold and you're just like fuck yeah isn't it funny my parents were pretty strict man

i remember this is one of the funniest things you know my mom was like i've had enough of my little sister she's like i've had enough of you i'm gonna go drop you off in the park and i'm just gonna leave you there yeah yeah no bullshit yeah my mom Pulled up. My nine-year-old sister dropped her off at Garrison Park down here in South Austin. Called my dad from a pay phone and was like, I've had enough with this kid. She was done, done, done. Like, done. How long did she leave her there for? I don't know.

Five minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Still. Five minutes. That's a long five minutes for a little kid. Oh, she never forgot that. Oh, yeah.

But she came back and behaved herself. Yeah. You know what I mean? Still. Five minutes. That's a long five minutes for a little kid. Oh, she never forgot that. Oh, yeah. But she came back and behaved herself. Yeah. You know what I mean? She's like, you don't get to talk to me like that. You don't get to do it. You don't get to throw shit around the house. You don't get to listen to what I say. It's a privilege to be here.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So that was a little too far. Me and my sister were going. My parents weren't strict at all. No. No, my parents were hippies. Really? Yeah. My mom and my sister were going, you're not going to act like that. My parents weren't strict at all. No? No, my parents were hippies. Really?

Yeah. My mom and my stepdad are hippies. Wow. Yeah, they weren't even a little strict. So you just did whatever you wanted? Yeah, we were allowed to swear in the house. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I smoked weed for the first time when I was eight. Holy shit. Yeah. That is very young. My stepdad was smoking weed. I'm like, what is that? He's like, try it out.

Let me try it. You're like, I love this stuff. Yeah, I mean, I didn't start smoking weed. I'm like, what is that? He's like, try it out. Let me try it. You're like, I love this stuff. Yeah, I mean, I didn't start smoking weed. Right. But I did it. I went, when I was eight. Yeah, damn. Yeah, we lived in San Francisco.

It was weird. You know, it's like the world was like, when I was a little kid, I was a latchkey kid, right? So I would just go out. I did a magic show on Fisherman's Wharf when I was eight years old. Wow. By yourself? Just by myself, wandering around.

I can't imagine my 10- old wandering around by herself like but i was doing that yeah i just would go outside and no one knew where the fuck i was or just go go someplace it's weird it's like there's different energies and kids and then clearly you know you're here you are you know as as this i don't know what you are Joe you think it made you more aware as a youngster like being out on your own I experienced danger early on you know we got robbed

some kids stole my ball with a screwdriver he threatened me with a screwdriver and then you know I got almost molested a couple of times I got rescued by a librarian because this guy was trying to molest me and the librarian started screaming my name and the guy ran away and i started crying i was looking at um monster books and this guy came up to me that's ironic

yeah i like monster books no i mean i know it is he's a monster um and he uh goes you like monster books i have some monster books in my car. And I'm like, oh, okay. Like, you know, I was eight. I didn't know any better. And so I started following this guy in the library. And luckily, I would go to the library all the time after school because my parents worked, you know? Like, that's how it was back then.

They both worked. So I would get off at school at like two or three or whatever the fuck it was. I would just go someplace. And so I was going to the library all the time. And this guy had just gotten out of jail for molesting kids. Oh, Jesus. Luckily, this librarian knew that this guy was a child molester. Crazy.

I mean, who knows what would have happened if I got in his car. He probably killed me. Who the fuck knows? You know, just to keep my mouth shut. People could do things back then and get away with stuff, too. There's no phones there was no you know the world was a wild place it was different and then you got to think how my parents grew up and think about how their parents grew up i mean we're just like a couple generations

removed from savages you know my grandparents came over on a boat yeah they didn't know what they didn't watch a youtube video they just heard that this was the place to be. Yeah. They just came over from Italy. Like, I heard this is the place to be. No Zillow, huh? Nothing, man. I mean, they had neighborhoods that, you know, corresponded with wherever you were from, like Irish neighborhoods and Italian neighborhoods,

and people just took chances. Were we just talking about this? I was just talking about this with somebody. Not me. I don't think so. It's so weird. You feel deja vu? A little bit.

Yeah. It's interesting because we're going to look back on our kids and we're probably going to... I think the thing that we're going to really go, what the fuck are we thinking, is social media. Definitely.

I think that's the thing. I think that we're going to think about that with ourselves and with our kids yeah i think we're going to like it's like it's the it's the new smoking you know it's the new like cocaine and coca-cola it's like it is well it's like you know i know you had that the one dude from tristan harris yes and the social dilemma and you know and i watched the social did you see the social dilemma i started watching a little bit oh my god it's playing out exactly like that

documentary laid out but like all the all the like CEOs the people that like you know created the algorithms and things on Twitter and Instagram

they don't let their kids use it yeah I saw that like I mean that's if that doesn't tell you like this is like a monumentally dangerous thing I don't know what does. It hijacks our brains.

It feeds into all the reward systems that the human mind is wired for, but it does it in a way that's very unproductive and damaging to a lot of people. And also the polarization of this country. This country's never been more divided in my lifetime in terms of like red and blue. And I just, it just, it's not even really that there's like two clear different ways of thinking. There definitely is. But it's also that it's just a team and you could decide you're on this team or decide you're on that team. And it's not necessarily that you've thought it through because I know a lot of people, particularly, to say this particularly people that are uh right wing that they haven't thought this shit through at all they just think fucking freedom trump's freedom like they have

this like mindset where they and then i know a lot of people on the left that are like that too like we just got to get biden in office like oh yeah that warmonger guy who passed the 1994 crime bill he's to fix it. What the fuck are you talking about? Oh, that guy that's filling up his cabinet with swamp creatures. Like, what are you talking about? This ain't going to be any better. This is the normal shit.

This is what you always get. I think this goes back to people not doing the work, like the real work, like on themselves. It's like this shit is a form of escapism. Like you throw yourself into this rhetoric and you get real mad and you keep throwing yourself into over and over and over. But like, you're not finding peace. No. You're not changing the world

with your fucking tweet. You're actually doing bad shit. But I think what you said is really important. The way you do change the world is by changing yourself. 100%. And encouraging other people

to change themselves and the more people do it, the more it becomes almost contagious. It becomes like a way of life. And then people realize like, you can just be a nice person. You can be compassionate. You can be understanding. You can be friendly. It's totally possible. And when you're like that and you cultivate a group of like-minded friends, then you live in a great community. You have a great group of loved ones people that you you care about your life is infinitely better that way right but if you're just one of those people that just looks for arguments all the time on on social media and you're just looking to be pissed

off and you're constantly you know like you feel like you're in some battle you're calling yourself the resistance or you're calling yourself a patriot or whatever fucking side you're on right it's like oh my god just a human here trying to be cool just a human trying to be cool yeah and i i'll you know i have to admit though i've fallen into it too and it's like a constant understanding with myself of like you know my uh like viral belief systems and how they affect people and and like people i really respect saying things. And then I'm going home like, Oh my God.

Yeah, that's right. That's right. And then I'm like, but I didn't really do the work. I was, I'm just, you know,

regurgitating something. And I really want to figure out where like my truth is in this and, and speak appropriately and accordingly, because the thing is, whether you're Joe Rogan or you have a platform or you're in your living room, your word holds weight. So what you say is important. Yeah, if you're talking to a person, it matters. That ripple effect is real.

Even if you're talking to one person, what you say to that one person can affect the way they talk to another person. And then it'll make them feel good and they'll be nicer to someone else. and then it'll make them feel the good and they'll be nicer to someone else and literally it has this this ripple effect that just goes on infinitely to all the people that get in contact with all the people that you meet and you think it doesn't like everybody thinks that they're helpless but together we're not and that's another viral belief belief system too it's like you have so much more within your control than you know and if you subscribe to that you're in trouble man you have a lot of impact yeah we all do everyone does you have a lot of impact because the way you impact other people impacts the way they impact other people we're not individuals really we are but we're really a part of this gigantic super organism known as the human race sure you know

and you could find diseased parts of that superorganism you know you can find places where there's just no hope and there's a lot of crime there's a lot of drug addiction like that's the saddest shit like when you go to a place like you know my sister lives in florida and there's spots around her that is just filled with pill heads yeah just pill heads these people that just got caught on oxys and they're just stuck and it's young kids and older people. And it's just, yeah,

it's you're there. If you're stuck in that spot and like, you're trying to have a conversation with your neighbor and he's a fucking pill head and he's lost. You're like, Oh my God. Like you, you will feel like a person without a country.

Florida is such an interesting energy to my, uh, I have Florida plates on my rental and I'm like, Oh God, I hope, you will feel like a person without a country. Florida is such an interesting energy to my, uh, I have Florida plates on my rental and I'm like, oh God, I hope everybody doesn't think like, not to booboo Florida. Florida's great. People are moving to Florida.

Yeah. A lot of people are moving from California to Florida. A lot of Silicon Valley people are moving to Florida. What's going on? Taxes. Okay. And just the rules. Like you could do things. They're like, I'm going to? Taxes. Okay. And just the rules. Like, you can do things in Florida.

They're like, I'm going to trade out these wildfires for hurricanes. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Real hurricanes. Yeah, no, and they're getting worse and worse. Those Florida hurricanes are no fucking joke. Florida is nice, though.

There's a lot of nice spots. Yeah. I like their beaches. But Florida has the echoes of people escaping, like, a shattered life on the East Coast. The people that fucked up their life in New York and New Jersey, they all went to Florida. Yeah. So you run into these people that are just like... Well, there's also old snowbirds from the Midwest and stuff.

And we used to get shipped off to Florida for weeks at a time when I was a kid because my grandparents lived down there. And my grandfather is a World War II vet a kid because my grandparents lived down there. And, you know, my grandfather is a World War II vet. He's a POW for two years. He had, like, crazy story. And he had his old war buddies down there. And, yeah. Two years as a POW? Yeah, man. He was a waste

gunner. You want to know something kind of cool? Gary, I just want to check on you because I know you have to pick up your kids. How you doing? When are you going to pick up your kids How you doing? When are you going to leave? How much time do you got? I got 20 Why don't you guys play something? Yeah and I'll tell you about my grandfather

You can tell me about your grandfather When Gary goes to get his kids Yeah I just don't want to like You know I care about your schedule Last time you guys were here We didn't play anything right? No we played Bad Beasts

But we didn't play the song That we released together. We should play that one. You want to? Yeah, I do. It'll be fun. Let's do it. Okay.

So, do you want to wing it or do you want to do the bridge a little bit? We can do it. Yeah. So, from the... Okay. And we're back, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, really? Yes.

No rehearsal. All right. Do you want to rehearse? No, we were about to. You can rehearse if you want. No, I don't know. What do you think? I think I got it.

We go into your shred fest and then we have the, you know, kind of breakdown. I'll just say this. I didn't mess it up last night. I did. I did. I was here. From my guys who decided to back you up, it wasn't me.

Oh, I'm not. First of all, you're amazing. That was fun. And it all went, it went how it was supposed to go. Went how it went and that's all it does yeah it always goes how it goes all right you want to do this yeah Rage on the wind tonight Man, I was laying low By the fireside

But I see them creeping on a sneak attack Trying to smoke me out, trying to make me mad And I won't fall for that I won't fall for that I won't fall for that Say like you mean it son Make me believe I'm the only one

When you press yourself right up against my back You talk too damn loud and too damn fast I won't fall for that no I won't fall for that stomping your boots making us quake making our heads roll every which way

under that creek spilling over its banks with your bad news Raining down all day guitar solo I don't want to hear you yelling Trying to bring me to my knees With that cold you're selling Let you hold my health just out of my grasp Living in your hell, found my back I won't fall for that no I won't

fall for that yeah Woo! All right, yeah. You're rocking that 12-string. You know, I feel like I should have gone for the... I pumped it up on the acoustic but you crushed it you know I'm here to support

I do what I can I do what I can always fun rocking with you oh my god likewise you make me want to practice more that's all I've been doing in this pandemic I went back to I've been getting away with playing blues stuff my whole life straight up so I went back to

like the 13 year old me like there was this fork in the road and I went blues or shred and I'm trying to bring them together bring them together

so you're practicing a lot I've been just practicing a lot just theory and making it all really make sense because I haven't really I've been getting away with it honestly

you know what I mean that's inspiring how funny is he one of the greatest guitarists alive oh I I've been getting away with it, honestly. Yeah. That's inspiring. How funny is he? One of the greatest guitarists alive. Oh, I've just been getting away with it. No, I mean, I do what I do, but you can always learn more. Yeah. And I think being on the road and practicing for the performance

and doing those same things, and it's time to sit back and have my own thoughts and what I want to do next and just be free to yeah receive things and you know put them out my own you know my own way so it's it's been good i'm glad i didn't mess that up for you no you crushed it i'm glad i didn't mess it up for you i love hearing all these stories about people that have used this time and used it to their benefit. Yeah. I'm going to bring you a guitar. I forgot this time. Ooh.

Are we starting a band? No. How dope would that be? I'd put it on the wall. It'd be a dope band. Oh, my God. The problem is one of us doesn't have any fucking talent. And it's not you guys. Hey, now.

Oh, man. Not you guys. Hey, now. Oh, man. That's a thing that is a dark hole of attention. Like, if you want to learn how to play a musical instrument, like, there's no end. Like, if I wanted to start at 53,

start to learn how to play guitar, oh, my God, how much time would that eat up? I did that with the violin this time. Actually, this is funny. So Phoebe Hunt, who, do you know Phoebe Hunt? Absolutely, I love Phoebe. That's so funny. I went to high school with her. She asked me, I don't know if Gary would remember me.

So she's an incredible violinist from Nashville. Well, she's from here, but she lives in Nashville. And back in September, she was like, Suze, I'm doing this fiddle camp for the next two months. I think you should do it. It'd be fun. A fiddle camp? Well, like every Friday, we Zoom. And every Sunday, we get a new piece of music to learn. And it, first of all, I went up to another level that I've always wanted to be at, to be honest. And I've never played this much violin in my life like like one day I

was like four hours just went by and it hurts like you have to like your my neck like everything but I had to really get back into shape with it but she is she's incredible but it was literally me and like a 14 year old and a 12 year old and it was like the three of us and the girls are so good like they're like virtuosos and uh Phoebe told me that. So she's just one of those like go-getters, like start a movement kind of person. And she organized a regional battle of the bands here. And she got like, she's got the radio station involved and everything. But you won.

I did. You won. I believe. I'm almost positive I said Gary won that some Battle of the Bands from high school mmm you forgot or it's possible she's not right I might have Texas weed is underrated yeah in high school I was I. I might have. Texas weed is underrated. I might have won. In high school, I was kind of mushrooms. I was experimenting a lot. So I don't remember a lot of those things.

So you might have won while tripping. I might have. That's hilarious. Could have happened. That is one of the funniest things. Somebody send me a picture. I might have won. That's funny. But yeah. Somebody send me a picture. Yeah. Pho want. That's funny, but yeah.

Somebody send me a picture. Yeah, Phoebe, I've known for a long time. And then Shaky and Stephanie. Yeah, it's crazy. We all went to school together. That's so funny. Yeah, I love her. She's great, man.

I hate to do it, guys. Yeah. We get it. You got to go. I got to get these kids. You going to hang on that guitar? May I get it back to you? If I'm gonna maybe play one more tune for you? Absolutely. You need anything else?

I'm just sad you're leaving. Are you gonna be at the show later? I hope so. Come on down. I hope so. Can I bring this to the show? Let me ask you this. How many more shows are you doing at Anton's? I'm gonna be popping back

in next month, I think. Why do you ask? I know you had done a series of them there and it seemed like you were really in a flow. It seemed like you had got

real comfortable. You had done a bunch of shows there. How many had you done in that run? We just did four. Just four? Just four. Was this the last one last night? Last night.

You seemed so loose. Man, I think I missed it. Yeah. I think I really missed it. And by the fourth night, I was like, man, here we go. You know, the band was tight. Tight. I was feeling comfortable about being in front of people

again because i forgot how to do it i was like yeah yeah what's up you know it's weird right but it's like riding a bike or whatever whatever other thing that you do that you know how to do as soon as you start doing it again exactly yeah it's so much fun to watch man it's good to have you and good to see you dude coming back for sure you tell me when you're doing it again i want to come back i'll bring some more people likewise well i'm gonna come see you. Dude, coming back for sure. You tell me when you're doing it again. I want to come back. Awesome. Bring some more people. Likewise.

Well, I'm going to come see you guys when I can. All right. I'll see you when you move here. Yes. Yes. For sure. Suzanne's time to make plans. I know.

I was literally like, I had this thought and I was like, do I take my house plants and my cats in the car? How does this work? Do I get a pod? Like the houseplants and the cats in the car, it's going to take you like three days to drive. Yeah. My pleasure, Gary. Thank you, brother. Good seeing you. I'll see you later. I'll see you soon. Take it easy. Um, I'm going to set this down for a minute. Yeah, man. I've never... Like, when I moved to L.A. when I was 19, I didn't have anything. Is that when you moved to L.A.? Yeah.

Well, you moved to Nashville briefly while I knew you. Yeah. Briefly. Didn't like it. No. Did not like it. Weird. Well, aside from just some of the vibes not being for me, I was also like always uncomfortable.

My allergies were really bad there. Oh, you might have a problem with this place. It's a valley. Yeah, well, you know what? I had to buy Claritin today because I was all sneezy. They say the cedar fever gets to people in January. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Yeah.

But you can go to an allergist and get shot up. I mean, I'm going to... It just happens, you know? I'll get allergies anywhere. Whatever, I'll take care of myself. You get them in L.A. as well? Yeah, I do. I do.

And you know, fire season is a nightmare for my voice, too. It usually cuts out certain frequencies, and I feel like shit. Isn't that crazy we have a fire season in L.A.? Isn't that sad? Fire season. It's so sad. I remember the first time i ever got evacuated i was like man i hope this doesn't happen a lot right but it was like 10 years after that to when i got evacuated again yeah well at this point you know people that have lost their houses twice you know what i mean yeah and it's sort of like

yeah but you know you have a job and you're in this area. You've been here a long time. You've got friends. It just becomes a part of your life. You don't want to abandon it. Yeah. But now everybody, what's so fascinating about the pandemic is like there's no business as usual. And lots of people are making really huge changes.

My really good friend in Santa Monica, his family owned a restaurant for 25 years that closed. And, you know, it's sad, but they are also kind of relieved because his parents are older and they're tired. And we did a Zoom face call, or, you know, Zoom the other week.

And my friend was like, he and his wife were like, you know, we're thinking of moving, they want to move to Las Vegas, which, you know, whatever. But you know what they said was they're like, we're just like ready for an adventure. And they have two beautiful young boys. And they were they just had this like look of excitement for a change. And I think that's that so important for all of us

is to be like, keep that open mind if you can, you know, because like you could actually, like the possibilities could be amazing. Yeah. You know, if you play your cards right and you sort of follow the breadcrumbs because, and that's why it's like so weird because when we talked the other week

and you brought up Austin, I have never thought about moving here. And also I hate the heat. Like, I'm just like, but, we talked the other week and you brought up austin i have never thought about moving here and also i hate the heat like i'm just like but especially after last night i was like man it's a great town it is it's got a dope vibe it is i've always loved it here i just never thought about moving here until now there's almost like an agreement to be cool here you know what i mean that would make me feel pressured i don't i mean like i don't know all the time that's not true yes you are yes you are but i mean i remember when gary moved back you know like he was telling me it's like ellie just is not right for me it's just not my thing and i'm like hey you don't need to be there yeah it's not necessary

yeah you know I feel that. And this was before I was thinking about moving to Austin. My thoughts of moving to Austin happened pretty quickly. I felt like it did. You were talking, you didn't talk about it in March.

You talked about it in June when Honey Honey was on the podcast and I was like, no way. I didn't think you were going to do it. Yeah, a lot of people didn't think that. You moved pretty fast though. Yeah. Yeah, good job. I like to do shit fast. Me too. were going to do it. Yeah, a lot of people didn't think that. You move pretty fast, though. Yeah.

Yeah, good job. I like to do shit fast. Me too. I like to take chances. I think it's very important. Yeah. It stimulates a different part of your brain. Like, all of a sudden, you're driving down different roads.

You live in a different house. Yeah. You got different neighbors. Like, hey, man. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. It's good.

It's good for you. yeah it's good yeah good it's good for you it's sort of like it's the ability to let go and then sort of have that trust of the what's ahead thing you know like um because you know you let go of los angeles a place you've been for a long time and the comedy store and a community that's like really hard to sort of corral right now. And now you're like literally reshaping Hollywood and bringing it to Texas. Well, the Hollywood comedy scene is definitely going to, there's going to be a lot of people coming here. I got a lot of friends that are making plans right now. They need it.

Yeah. We need a spot. Yeah. And I'm in a position where I can help everybody have a spot. So I'm making a spot. Super cool. I'm excited to be able to just go to shows. Well, once we get set up, I mean, I want to do something special here.

I want to have it also not just a hub for comics, but a hub for wannabe comics. Like people that are thinking about starting. I want them to have a very structured open mic night situation. Because a lot of clubs don't do open mic nights because you don't make any money. So the open micers, a lot of times they don't drink very much. You don't get much of an audience for the most part. But I think it's integral to the community. You've got to give back to the community.

And they need stage time yeah and at least one night preferably two they should have two nights of just amateurs and the one of the beautiful things beautiful one of the beautiful things i don't know how it came out like that about the comedy store was they would have uh open mic night it would potluck would go to 10 p.m and then after 10 p.m it would be pop-ins so what's pop-ins oh sorry um potluck would go to 10 p.m. and then after 10 p.m. it would be Pop-Ins. What's Potluck? Pop-Ins. Oh, sorry. Potluck is their open mic night.

Got it. I was like, is that like a food thing? Because that sounds delicious. That sounds good. I love a good Potluck. Yeah, me too. It's like there's a bunch of names in a hat and they pull the names out. So it's super random, right?

That's cool. I like that. And you have X amount of minutes on stage. Usually it's, I think at the store it's super random right that's cool and you have you know x amount of minutes on stage usually it's i think at the store it's three uh back in boston it was five damn so you'd get five minutes three minutes it's not that long no but it's enough okay you can tell if someone sucks you know but if they're not sucking do they get to keep going or are they just done no no it's very important it's also you learn how to do your time you learn you learn like listen this is there's a lot of other people here you're just starting out you know you're not you're not eddie murphy you

can't just pop in and do a half hour right you gotta do your time it's three minutes and so the they would do that until 10 p.m there would be a host like i hosted it once um like a professional comic will host it and bring people up and say their names and, you know, have fun with whatever's happening in the crowd. And then at 10 p.m., then it becomes a regular show. And at 10 p.m., real comics start coming by. Cool. And then a lot of times the audience shows up at like 9.30 and watches the last part of the open mic night. And then they, you know, then by the time the professionals are there at 10, it's kind of packing in.

Cool. Cool. Yeah. So you get both things. You get to see amateurs. And then after the amateurs, you get to see a couple hours of pros. Did you ever get into groundlings, improv stuff? No. No.

Not your thing. Never did that. Yeah, yeah. Well, I could have. But I got obsessed with stand-up. And it just was so overwhelming. There was so much to do. It was so hard to get good at stand-up.

It was so hard to work. It was so hard to write jokes. It was so hard to come up with an idea and then structure it and figure out how to turn it into a big chunk that I didn't desire to do other stuff like Groundlings. But I know a lot of people that did. They started out with that, and that led to them doing stand-up. They just liked doing it, but they didn't necessarily like doing it with all these other people. They're like, I need to do this shit by myself.

And then they figured out a way to do stand-up. Yeah. I think that would be my jam if I were ever in that. Yeah, just the back-and-forth thing. And back when I was an actor for a while. When I studied when I was a teenager in New York, that was my favorite thing to do in class was just bounce back and forth.

I don't know. You kind of get in that flow with people. Is that like a duet too? Do you like doing duets? Do you like doing songs? I like collaborating across the board. I think that especially now that I'm secure with myself, that's a thing that you'll torpedo the whole thing

if you're not comfortable with who you are, period. And I feel really, at this point in my career, and the people I work with in the studio, I was sitting and talking with John Spiker about this the other day. Every single person that's played on this record has been wonderful. We haven't had one fucking ego in the room. And I was like, that is a huge accomplishment. Is that because you knew all these people coming in?

It's a little of both. My drummer, Pauly, he's sort of like the nucleus in that because he knows everybody. And he brought in this incredible guitar player, Dylan Day. Oh, my God. It's such a rewarding experience because I get to learn from people, too. It's my record. But it's an honor to have. When Gary came in, you're watching this.

How nice is he? He's the best he's so nice i know you know what's so great about him is like he has gotten through his success and maintained being a fucking wonderful person yeah he hasn't moved like like who he is hasn't wavered yeah i think i told you that like for years i would always reintroduce myself to him and i'd be like hey g, Gary, it's Suzanne from Honey Honey. And he's like, yeah, I know. Like, I know. And I was because I never expect people to remember me because like I just I've that's happened to me when you feel awkward and you're like, hi, I'm so I'm so sorry. Like, you know, sometimes you're just like, I don't I don't want to put anybody in that position.

It's hard when you meet someone and you're a fan of theirs, too, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's funny. I met Gary. Gary and Honey Honey played at the Sunset Marquee. It was like an acoustic night. And we were babies.

I mean, we were like early 20s. And he was singing, playing acoustic guitar. And I was like, oh my God, that guy's voice is amazing. And then later I was like, and he's a fucking shredder? Like what? Like no, you know no idea but i think there's something to be said to about how like gary remembers except for high school battle the bands he remembers things like he's very specific and it's i don't know i think

that's a very um special quality yeah well he's just an unusual guy for like who he is like he's so unassuming yeah you know but then he owned it last night though it was like yeah yeah he like was like unleashed it was great i was so happy close with uh don't worry about a thing yeah because that's that's the first song i listened to on my playlist. It kicks off your workout. Fuck yeah. That song? Yeah. That's my hit the bag workout tape.

Cool. Because I've got like this series of very energetic songs. Yeah, yeah. It really does. It's very necessary for me as well. I don't know how people like run without headphones. David Goggins says it's cheating. I used to say it's cheating too.

Whatever, David Goggins. I know that he has like the perfect body but like well it's he's got a bulletproof mind that's what he has yeah and he's like you know that fucking music's not always gonna be with you so he says you gotta be alone with your thoughts the darkness i don't run because i have bad feet but uh the only time i run is when i'm really mad and when i like i work out i'll run for like five miles and i haven't run in a year i'll just keep bad feet like what's wrong with your feet oh they're flat and i have bunions well there's a couple things you can do tell me what to do okay one is a thing called yoga toes you ever use those?

It sounds familiar. Yoga toes are these. I have them. I use them. They actually spread your toes apart. Okay. And the thing about bunions is, right, your toes start turning towards your other toes and you get arthritis. They get like painful and knobby.

So that's yoga toes. Yay. Yeah. So they spread your toes out and it counteracts the i get that on amazon see you see how that person has a bunion yeah and then it turned into no bunion yeah you can you look your soft tissue is very pliable yeah that's what's important to know yeah and that those patterns that you get might be uh at the point of no return i don't believe you are had them since I was 12.

Doesn't matter. I've also, my other like. Do your toes move like this? Oh, yeah, yeah. Then you can fix them. All right. One of the measures of like I've succeeded other than I don't have to run my own social media

is I get to have a double bunionectomy and watch The Sopranos start to finish because like I've done all the work that like my career won't suffer when I'm convalescing for the two months it takes to recover from bunion surgery. So are you going to get the surgery? I mean, I can't. I've got to work.

Right. Oh, so one day. So like if I'm at the top when I have the luxury. I know a girl who was a dancer who had that done and she had this crazy scar across her toe. Yeah. Like they have to like really. Well, there's

two ways what do they do they can either hack it off at the side where that's probably the propensity for it to grow back as high or they cut your foot like here and then they reset it oh yeah i know bro i know actually i don't want to get surgery. Yeah. There's some people with some fucked up feet that probably needed this. So, like, I mean, for instance. Hope you don't have a foot fetish, folks. Yeah, that one's extreme. Oh, God.

Why are we doing this to ourselves? I'm not going to go through it. I just feel like that's extreme. What happened to his left foot that just made it through the war? That's something else, I think. That could have been an injury. Right foot is just. Yeah, that seems like some guy kicked some dude in the nuts with a steel cup on those are five toes there's just one hidden behind

the other three yeah but look at that before and after bunion pictures that guy got it fixed they're so painful they're the worst but go go the full so you get it yeah look at that you got it like a normal foot now how the fuck did they do that that's crazy so they must have hacked that part off and then did something to straighten out his toe i love that but this uh lady that i knew she had it on her toe like her her pinky her big toe her big toe had like this line down the center of the big toe i've seen a couple people with it actually yeah it's a it's like if you are a martial artist like martial artists get fucked up toes too. Yeah.

Well, yoga does really help with it because you have to like distribute your weight on your feet in a certain way. And then it helps sort of strengthen, even though I don't have an arch, it helps strengthen the middle of my foot. But even the arch thing, there's a school of thought now that, what is the, there's a company that contacted me about this because i have flat feet as well and they do yeah but they said but my flat feet have gotten better weirdly enough uh in my late 40s and 50s no i just wear no shoes and uh i work out i do all my weight lifting and stuff with no shoes yeah and uh yeah then you can kind of i'm conscious of it that makes a difference yeah i haven't worked out in a minute but when i do stick with it my feet feel so much better like yeah i think it's a muscle thing it is because like uh one of the

things that i found when i first started doing yoga is it would kill my feet they'd be so sore and i was thinking like but my feet are they've got to be strong from all the kicking stuff right but for sure they're really not because there's a difference between kicking things and then holding a static like being on the ball with your feet and holding like a static position right like that would kill my feet i realized like oh my feet are just good at exploding off the ground slamming into things it's not the same as like holding positions and holding positions really strengthens up all those supporting muscles and that's like trying as your feet are trying to balance out your body yeah all those little like when people get really good at that it becomes effortless and it's so envious like you watch them do it like oh wow

they just pick their foot up and enviously stretch themselves fully out and they really like their foot is strong like the base is everything the foot being the base being strong i mean yeah it's literally what we're what we stand on it's it's an underestimated um appendage sometimes hugely and especially when you're like oh i want to wear these shoes because they make me look good yeah you know uh that's my wife yeah we were just talking about jessica yeah i get it there's so many people that do that they torture themselves with funky shoes i met i met this incredible shoe designer named marion park who is a podiatrist and these are her shoes actually and i love them and they don't hurt and they're cool and she makes these um i i wear her shoes on stage and i can feel good and i'm not like killing

myself but like she's like the diamond in the rough i i wear her heels too but they're designed in a way that like the weights distributed you know evenly so you're not like total i mean obviously if i'm like i stomp my feet a lot when i play so it's i saw it's weird you know that's how uh maynard from tool ruined his hip yeah i've been told that someone's like good luck later in life yeah maynard had a hip replacement yeah yeah yeah well i'm you know i'm dealing with it i'm taking the yoga i'm trying to i'm trying to counter it with the other things you know that's uh those are the luxuries of you know the also the the things i want in life is like being able to like regularly have cryo and infrared sauna and just like body care as i get older i care so much about investing in those things and like the right

supplements like for my body not just like what's trending because everything is so specific. And, you know, the big luxury is time. Like today I had to I worked out before I came here and I realized towards the end of my workout, I don't have enough time to stretch properly. So I only got like 10 minutes of stretching in. And I'm like, how long do you normally stretch for? At least an hour. What? Yeah. you stretch for an hour yeah what what do you listen to for your stretch music I watch movies most of the time

or watch fights yeah oh that's great yeah because two birds or sometimes I just sit in silence and stretch yeah sometimes I just like to stretch but you don't maintain flexibility you know unless you stretch and you also develop weird imbalances that's not shit david goggins does two and a half hours every night stretching but is that all he does is exercise uh talks a lot of shit it's not instagram what else does he do i'm not i'm not i'm of weak-ass motherfuckers judge you. I'm not judging you, David Goggins. I'm just asking questions. No, it's funny. Yeah, mostly what he does.

That's the one I cheap out on is the stretch. You got to stretch. And I'll pull things often. Oh, man. When I was sanding my floors, I definitely had a thing. That's probably a repetitive use thing, though. Yeah, and it was like... And so I couldn't play music for a a day or two but my floors look beautiful

stretching is important for your back too believe it or not a lot of like back injuries start out with hamstring tightness yeah yeah like everything it's all connected the whole thing all the way down to your heels are connected yep yeah and i get massage therapy i do but i haven't since i've come to austin i need to find a good spot but i have one of those theraguns and i'd fucking slam myself those are great you gotta be like i've known i've had friends really hurt themselves with it too like what are your friends doing well you know what my friend's girlfriend was doing on his back and she did it right on his spine and it like really fucked him up he already had an injury anyway joe doesn't buy it i love when you're gonna make fun

of me like for saying warrior king or something like and i really regret it i wish i just said king but i can't take it back it's already it's already out there the problem is not you saying it the problem is a man saying about himself oh no that's fucked up i'm your warrior king imagine if a guy sent you a text i am your warrior no that would not be like shit these things need to be very specifically in place yeah yeah girls have funny things that like that end it no i'm pretty i'm pretty generous in that way, but it would... I don't know. It's fucking hard.

I've just been so off the map in that way that I have no perspective anymore. I'm just like, yeah, okay. I did a dating app thing for a minute, and it was horrible. I did a dating app thing for a minute and it was horrible. I got so sick of it because like there were like three dudes that like just told like, like they, they all wanted to lick my butthole. And I was like, I've never even met you. And you're telling me these things like I'm scared of you. I don't like, it's so weird when someone tells you what they want to do to you.

It's very predatory to be honest, because like, you i don't like it's so weird when someone tells you what they want to do to you right away it's very predatory to be honest because like it's one thing to talk dirty with somebody that you're with and you're comfortable with but someone you've never met it's like a lot of pressure like what if i meet you and i don't like the way you smell i'm not gonna let you lick my butt sorry you know like it's that's the that's the truth and also i'm just like it's and i know no disrespect to people that are on the apps because i know it works really well for people but i'm just i got too much energy for that and i don't want to be measured by in in that way i don't know how to present myself to you in a photo with a bio you're a complicated soul i mean you got to think about the guys saying they want to

lick your butthole. This is my thought. It's like, does this guy just have like a copy paste? I want to lick your butthole and just throws it out there in the abyss like 50 times. And like fishing, right? The ocean's big. The fish aren't everywhere. Right. You got to put out a lot of lures.

Right. And so maybe this guy just like throws it out there 50 times. Then bing, bing, bing. Here's my address. Come lick it, asshole. Like, whoa, Jesus Christ. We're getting crazy. it out there 50 times then bing bing bing here's my address come lick it asshole like whoa jesus christ no i think i think it comes from dudes being super repressed during the pandemic and just being aggressive and being like oh god i need a fuck and like that's cool but i'll pass yeah maybe maybe but i think there's something impersonal about like uh the social media apps

or the uh dating apps rather too but you know you don't know the person i don't think i'm complicated i think i'm pretty clear cut and dry you're very complicated you think so yeah how what yeah well you're you're artistic you're very emotional you you think a lot you talk a lot about your feelings and your thoughts and you have uh there's a lot going on there you're not like a one way hot one lane highway copy that okay yeah there's a lot happening yeah that's true that's true but i'm yeah okay and i would imagine you require like a lot of conversation for the person to sort of i definitely don't want to date anybody who's boring yeah that's what i'm saying yeah yeah so a lot of

people are fucking boring they are they sure are not so much boring but mostly lazy which is boring yeah so yeah basically the same thing yeah it's a type of boring yeah but it's the worst type of boring like lazy is like if you're boring but you're like really super obsessed with something like there's a channel that i watch on youtube and uh all the guy does is take old things and restore them like old lighters and like like old lighters from like vietnam and like cleans them and restores them there's no talking there's no talking you just see this guy like obsessively refurbishing these things and taking out the old screws and putting in the news it's's called... You know what AMSR is?

It's a sound thing. People are really into... What does that stand for? What is that? Automated Sens... Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response. Wow. So there's a thing on YouTube in particular where there's videos that are just labeled

AMSR. There's another one. Is it? I think the guy's name is the, the wooded beardsman or the bearded woodsman. So this is the guy. This is exactly the guy. Zippo lighter restoration, Vietnam war repair. Okay.

This is the one that I saw. 19 million views. I don't have my glasses on. Does that say 19 million? Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. Literally 19 million views I don't have my glasses on Does that say 19 million Yeah Holy shit Yeah literally 19 million views

And it's from a year ago Like I don't get it I don't know why But it's I mean what I'm saying Is I don't get Why it's so Interesting to me

But it's very interesting to me It's passion And it's effort And it's like That's cool I want to see the process Yeah yeah So this guy's

Not boring at all No And he doesn't say a fucking word. No. Right? Yeah. And it's really cool. Because this is like a studied trade or craft.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Someone who's really into something is interesting. You know, Phil Hartman said that to me once a long time ago, about before I went and whacked him. He was thinking about getting a divorce. And one of the things he said to me, he goes, the next girl,

he goes, she's got to be into something. He goes, I don't give a fuck what it is if it's rock climbing. She's got to be into something. I'll never forget that thought. Like this guy who was just like, I don't want to be with this person. And then thinking that he wants to be with someone who's

into something and i remember like thinking like wow that's a that's an interesting desire i want to be with someone who's really into something it's funny how that lack of like you know passion deficit is is a thing because you know we spend so much time on our fucking phones, like hours a day. People are normally just on their phone hours. And then it's an energy drain. And if you're someone who doesn't already have like a built-in skill set or passion and you're searching,

you're already leading with a handicap, you know? And it is, it's hard because that's where like the dating stuff is weird. That's where people get obsessive and attached because their souls aren't being fed. And like, that's where like the dating stuff is weird. That's where people get obsessive and attached because their souls aren't being fed. And like, that's huge. That's everything to me. And I've really, really honed in on that during COVID too.

It's like, I am so fucking excited about like my coffee in the morning. There's this one matcha donut that I get at Dinosaur Coffee in Silver Lake that I literally, I'm so pumped about it. Matcha donut that i get at dinosaur coffee and silver like that i literally i'm so pumped about it matcha donut yeah i don't know it's delicious it's like it's green yeah but like the thing is like i i i find that you're able to access those those things when you recognize the benefits of of of, you know, passion and, and like taking care of yourself. And like,

I think we were talking about this last night about being inspired because Tony, Tony was talking about like, man, I, after Gary's show, he's like, God, I want to go home and write. And, you know, and I, and I, that is, I feel the same way when I, when I see comedy it's so inspiring and I just, I love it. And, you know, I realized that, you know, keeping your brain active in general. Right. Like I I was like when I'm sad, if I if I'm like getting depressed for whatever reason, which is is kind of rare, to be honest, like and when it is, it's because i have to really focus on something that's like causing me pain but um i found that when i feel that like atrophy when i just start reading books and like make myself read a book like like start the day turn the phone off and i set a timer for an hour and i'm like you have to fucking sit down and read that book for an hour and every time without fail i feel better i feel smarter i feel i just

whether it's a fictional story or non-fiction i've i've just absorbed something and i most always want to share it afterwards your brain is stimulated yeah but we forget that yep yeah you know yeah people can get you can get really dull like a dull life like boring boring patterns nothing unique nothing interesting nothing stimulating yeah and that's a choice the great thing about a book is you're exploring the another person's way of looking at things you know whether it's fiction or non-fiction you're exploring another person's views particularly like it's if it's an opinion book you know you're exploring another person's perspective on and it helps you get oh he sees things the way i do or oh well she's got a totally different

perspective like oh you know it's like you're firing cylinders you're getting those pistons moving like there's so many people that just don't they just don't yeah and you know that's again that's like i don't know i think it's laziness but i also think sometimes our self-worth is wrapped up into a lot of this collective bullshit and you gotta know how to like step out of it and do some work you know and literally like do that work is like sit with yourself and like it's funny how that is such a hard thing for people but it really doesn't have to be. No, it shouldn't be.

But people are terrified. That's why I love acid. Because you sit with yourself. People are terrified of being alone, Suzanne. Not anymore. I was at the beginning of this. I was a wreck. I was so scared.

Now here's the problem. Yeah. Will you be terrified of not being alone? I think that. Smothered. Oh, no, that's never gonna happen again i've been there that's that's a that's another you get you rule out these frequencies of like energy and stuff and you know when it's time to uh i can sniff that shit out and it's it's just

a balance like you like don't get me wrong i want be, um, my champion that I can be a champion for them as well. You know, build a life together. But, um, yeah, being worshiped is like a whole nother thing. That's never good for anybody.

You know, being smothered is kind of like the same thing. It's like, usually it has a, a corresponding negative effect to like the ones they don't worship you anymore. Now they fucking hate you. Oh my God. Yeah.

It's, it's a long way down from that pedestal. Fuck. Yeah. And you, and you have to, but also like you, you get used to it too.

It's like not good for anybody. Yeah. Been there, done that. No more. That's why I don't like meeting people at shows. If I ever met a dude at a show a fan it just feels not real to me for some guys that's all they like they like uh like comedians

especially they're like girls that are fans yeah i mean whatever butters your scone you know well the last thing a comic would want is someone who doesn't think their act is good right someone who doesn't like them i mean i. Right. Someone who doesn't like them. I mean, I guess it would, don't get me wrong. Like it would be tough to date someone who's like, Hey,

I'm in love with you, but like, I don't like your music. That would feel discouraging. Yeah. I think you're amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I'd still want them to like be into what I'm into. That, that would be good. Yeah. Is it a smart move to date musicians or a bad move depends if they have their shit together or not you know like they'll know what you do at least at least if you date a musician they'll understand the business they'll understand the craft understand

the the art i mean i haven't uh dated one that I didn't break up with. All I can say is I'm open to it and I love musicians and I feel all the things that any audience member feels when they see somebody amazing on stage. But yeah, again, it's just like stand on your own two feet, bunions and all. When you write, do you sit down and say, okay, I'm going to write today for X amount of minutes or X amount of hours? Or do you just like let inspiration catch you?

It's both. It's both? Yeah. But when, so, so I'm just like fourth quarter of this record that i'm tying up and i did a lot of writing for it and now i'm in the more practice the instruments phase of like wanting to kind of level up in that way but when it's time to write a record and you're like so like this record when it comes out in a couple months um hopefully I will be working it in the way that if you know when I get to start touring or like you know do at this point doing digital stuff to to keep the momentum but at some point it's you know during a record

cycle you have to start preparing for the next one. And I do both. I have to really get in the routine of flexing the muscle, and sometimes I'll set a timer and write for an hour and not come up with one goddamn thing that sounds good. But, you know, same time, like, I'll write a couple songs that might be shitty, and then I get to the good ones, or you can Frankenstein them. Like, they sort of, like, I record everything

and kind of bounce around sometimes but you know and then sometimes like I have to stop what I'm doing because I can't not write like I'm it's like this crazy it's rare it's only happened a couple times and that that song that inspired me after watching Dave Chappelle's show like, or not the Chappelle show, but sticks and stones. Um, it was like, I,

I couldn't wait to get home and sit at my kitchen table. It was so weird. Yeah. That's the beautiful thing about inspiration. It's like, you got this little gift of creativity, this little seed. You got to run,

run, run, get to the dirt, get the water on it quickly, quickly. Cause if you go to sleep, yeah, that shit'll go

away it's weird it's weird and you know what sucks is usually when i'm in that writing phase i stop sleeping like my brain does not shut off yeah and and i i don't know i don't take that though that's i do take it i do take it and i've gotten a really good relationship with that stuff too especially with the sarah set sleep stuff that I told you about. But I've also like, I don't feel like it's like you're a martyr to your craft. I don't feel like that. But I do honor the process. And so when my body's sort of conflicting with my spirit and my mind,

I just kind of have to roll with it. And I can still like enjoy my matcha donut and still be pumped even though I'm exhausted. You know, I now know that those things are valuable and a lot of them are false seeds. Like the seeds that I think they're seeds and then they turn out to be bullshit. But when I get one,

I get up, I write it down. And most of the time I either go upstairs and start typing and start writing or at least flesh out what I think the idea is before I let myself go back to sleep. That's good. Yeah. Because I've gone back to bed. I'm like, I'm going to remember that. No, you don't.

I don't remember jack shit. And it feels different in the morning when you try to visit it too. It's like some magic has gone out. You betrayed the gift. Yeah. Yeah. You betrayed the muse yeah i think like it's like you know i think it's part of that breaking out of the cycle right people get up tight like if i don't get my eight hours every night you know blah blah blah blah but like sometimes you have to go like follow the buffalo like you're being led somewhere right you know

like your brain is like coming up with an idea and like when you shut that down it's like are you gonna be better for it the next day when you wake up because you got your eight hours or because you uh kind of um excavated an idea that was coming up that might be fucking brilliant we gotta think about how many songs are in an album it depends 12 sure okay average yeah so that's 12 gifts right 12 gifts of creativity even if you've done the work they're gifts of creativity and uh you might get you know a lot of inspiration that doesn't go anywhere but the 12 ones that wind up making their way on an album how long what is that process a couple of years no a year some people some people take their time like that uh and i that's cool um but i mean it depends like a year six months it's hard

to say i mean i my first record my ruby red record i did really fast i we recorded it in a month and i was like writing songs in the studio and finishing them like then oh wow and then there were some that i'd started a while back and uh i'm trying to think about this record yeah this has some oldies some old uh seeds that i you know replanted yeah i've got a bunch of old seeds sitting on the hard drive that's cool yeah that's fun to go back and look at like where you were in time i should probably make a folder called old seeds that's good this is really what it is yeah but the the point i was getting at is like you don't get them every day you get them every now and then so when the day comes and one pops in you're like oh shit you gotta run somewhere and write that down you gotta get

away from everybody i'll jump up from the dinner table i'll be like i got an idea and i just said oh that's so cool i got an idea and i run away yeah well comedy's different because like you're constantly performing and like i mean i get like when you're on the road you obviously stick with a set right like a but i'm sure like give or take adding some stuff in yeah but like and how what's the like cycle on that two years usually cool from a netflix special to a new netflix special so two years from coming up with the ideas writing them out or fleshing them out on stage doing a lot of showcase sets like that's one of the things we need in Austin

we need a place to work out because you can't just do regular shows like these Chappelle shows I'm doing you need a place where you can fuck around and just be loose

and not have a lot of expectation yeah you want like 15 minute sets that was one of the beautiful one of the beautiful things about the comedy store so you'd have a lot of 15 minute sets and you'd be sandwiched in with 10 other

people that are doing the same thing. So like, um, you do that for a while and then you start touring comedy clubs. So you tour comedy clubs with this new kind of bullshit 45 minutes and it becomes a real hour eventually as time goes on. And then you go to theaters. And then once you go to theaters,

then you feel like, all right, this thing's bulletproof. And then you polish them down in theaters and then at the end, two years later, you're ready to rock. And then you're ready to put it down on film. Damn.

Yeah. And then you abandon it. So like, you can play LA River. So like, do you have like a vacation time where you're like, I'm just going to chill for the next... Usually I do drugs.

Yeah. Oh, fun. Yes. Cool, cool, cool. I need something to reinvigorate my mind or I think about things or I do... I don't have an isolation tank out here. I've got to get a tank. Get a tank.

I mean, isn't this a tank? This is something different. It's cool. This is the Texas spaceship. You made the walls like this, right? It wasn't like... No, it was like this. This is cool. This is the Texas spaceship. You made the walls like this, right? It wasn't like... No, it was like this. It was curved.

It was a conference room. Wow. Yeah, wow. What were they conferencing about? Fucking nonsense. Not fucking nonsense. This is not the end form of the studio. This is what we decided to go with, with time we had and we've got jamie and

i've had some conversations about what to do different lamps are beautiful lamps came from hawaii i bought them in hawaii i was like one day i'll use this and it was a part of a big thing but we took it apart and turned it into this and then where'd you get this guy got that guy in thailand he's the remover of obstacles that's why that That was the thing I really touched on during this whole experience of like unsubscribing to the suffering. It's like, oh, well, that's an idea. And like suffering is an obstacle in so many different ways. It's like unsubscribing to the suffering so you were committed to the suffering before i wouldn't say that i would just say like it was around you know and like re well just recognizing that in in certain ways like career stuff money relationships like it's

all you know all sort of like coming from the same cup that I kept drinking from basically and and then you know just facing that and being like oh here's where I can just pivot and also um I feel like suffering is such a you know back to the what did you call the brain the human thing You had a really cool word for it earlier. We were talking about like the ripple effect kind of. Oh, that there's a super organism, human super organism. Yeah, I think that that's like a collective suffering. Like there's so many things that we are just sort of used to that aren't necessary.

And that like you can outsmart it, you know, and I've been doing that in a way that doesn't i'm not like um like i've metabolized it and been like does that make sense yeah and and now like i'm recognizing things like anxiety are the same as excitement like the same feeling oh and so instead of like thinking negatively about that feeling of excitement and feeling dread and whoa, now you're like, whoa, things are exciting. Yeah, like coming on the podcast.

It's like I can be anxious about feeling like I don't belong here and like unworthy. How is that possible? It's totally possible. But I've known you for so long. I know. We've known each other almost 10 years. Yeah, well, this is my suitcase. I'm showing you. So like that's totally possible. But I've known you for so long. I know. We've known each other almost 10 years. Yeah.

Well, this is my suitcase. I'm showing you. So like that, like that's the thing. And then I have to be like, but I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. And like, I literally just like take that and I'm like, here's where I'm going to, you know, rearrange that feeling.

And then I'm just excited, you know? Yeah. Instead of being like anxious. Yeah. Filled with woe. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing with last night playing with Gary, you know yeah instead of being like anxious yeah filled with woe yeah yeah same thing with last night playing with gary you know like the song kind of got messed up by the guitar but i was like no one noticed great by the way no no one in that audience had an but i could have freaked out

like i feel like old me a little while ago would have freaked out and like gone like oh god oh god you know really yeah for sure yeah it didn't seem like that at all it didn't no one even knew there was a fuck up until you talked about it on the podcast like the people that were at that show that are listening to this podcast i thought it was so obvious damn it no not at all no but that but again like i still i don't feel bad about it i still had a great time and like jamie you're a musician did you notice the fuck up he noticed he did yeah yeah i could tell she was having trouble with the guitar from the beginning like I still had a great time. Jamie, you're a musician. Did you notice a fuck up? He noticed. He did? Yeah. I could tell she was having trouble with the guitar from the beginning. She put it on, couldn't hear it that well.

Yeah. But handled it like a pro. Hey, thank you. I didn't see any fuck up. I just saw you adjusting the amp. Yeah. No, the thing is, again, thanks for saying that, Jamie. I've been doing this a long time and like rather than like suffer from a like a malfunction just be like oh oops that was fun though you know

and it was i had a blast yeah well it's i think the thing about live performing is it's so different than anything that most people do in their lives most people never get to rock out in front of an audience. It's such a wild thing to do. It's so unusual. And then to go from that to not doing that at all and just walking around and being like a normal person, I assumed it's probably a very, because there is with comedians,

there's a very large period of readjustment. And now what's happening with most of my comic friends,'s a very large period of readjustment and and now what's happening with most my comic friends they've given up on the readjustment like fucking i'm going on the road i don't give a shit i'm doing this i can't do this like they just get to a certain point in time where they're like i can't just not do comedy yeah i'm sick like ron white was talking all this crazy shit well i'm I'm going to fucking retire. I give up. It's fucking not a good life. I have plenty of money. I don't give a fuck.

And then we had him do one show, a Tony show at Vulcan Gas Company in town and grabs me by the shoulders after he gets off stage. Whatever the fuck we got to do to do this again, we're going to do it. Yeah, yeah.

You're going to open up a fucking club. We're going to make this happen. I'm like, okay, okay, okay. Okay, Ron. Good to see you're back. Like, Ron's back. Ron is back ron's back ron's back it's nice to have that perspective though you know if you do it all the time and you're like mainlining it you don't realize that it's you know you get desensitized yeah it's a lovely thing to do and it's like you know i was saying about uh gary's show last night it's like it changed the way i felt

like i sat down i was like it changes the way you feel you're like yeah this is like i'm getting sucked into this thing you know it's these sounds and all this creativity and you realize this guy put all this shit together and all these sounds are changing the way everybody feels in the audience and you hear all the woos you know the claps and yeah and then the fact that everybody's in it together yeah i love it i love it yeah i don't see live music enough i really don't i really i need to see it more often i think you moved to the right town fuck yeah yeah are there a lot of shows going on i don't know i don't know um jamie said he saw some shows on sixth. There were some people that were playing on 6th Street, right? Cool.

Yeah. I think people are just way more relaxed about this virus. Yeah. You know, it's like they're treating it like it's a bad flu instead of treating it like it's an alien invader that wants to kill everyone you know. Right. It's weird. I vacillate between like not knowing what to do and then like, like I get back to LA and I have work to do with people, but I don't know if we should do it over Zoom

or if they're going to wait five days. Just get a COVID test. I get them all the time. I go to Dodger Stadium. It's amazing. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I drive through. Do you have to get it the next day?

You get the results the next day? Just about. It's kind of slowed down a little. Like it was, I mean, you're getting it same day in the summer. It was so fast. Oh, yeah? And you go in being like hey everybody just so you know so you do it for other people you know that kind of thing and um yeah now

it's like 36 hours 24 that's not that bad especially if you don't do anything between the test and then meeting the people just say hey we'll meet on Friday go to Dodger Stadium on Thursday yeah or Wednesday and then you know you're good. Yeah. Yeah. And when I get back, I have to, I did this, I think I told you this, I opened an Etsy store to sell handwritten lyrics with a watercolor, and I'm getting pretty good at watercolor. Are you?

But I have like over a hundred orders, and I've only done 20, and it's a lot of work. So when I get back, if I'm going to get everybody their order by Christmas, man, it was so cool because one, I really needed the money and two, every order comes, they tell me what song they want and every order comes with a story and it's been so, it's really intimate.

People being like, hey, this is like, my wife and I walked down the aisle to this and there's this one where uh this the daughter of these two people that she emailed me and she was like i just want you to know that both my parents bought the same song for each other they think it's a surprise but they don't know that they both like bought the same song and i'm like trying to figure out how to fuck with them um I actually might I might do like two and put them together which would be cool but like it's just like the whole process of like it's a lot of like labor like I'm into that sort of line of work but also incorporating the creative part but aside from it paying my bills having this experience with people has been so nice.

So when I get back to LA, I'm going to literally do that for like three days straight. And then you're going to pack your bags. And I'm going to pack my bags. I was also, Joe, I was also like, God,

I got to get fishing gear. Like I, it makes sense. Yeah. Like, holy shit. Changes. Well, I think changes are good for you.

Oh, me too. They really are. They're weird. They're always weird. But those weird patterns, shifting those patterns, making yourself do something uncomfortable, something different. It's very important. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm into it. Start taking yoga. Fix your feet. I do. Yeah. I should into it. Start taking yoga. Fix your feet. I do. Yeah. I should take it more. But I mean.

You should Google like how to fix flat feet too. Well, you told me about the yoga toes. Well, that's their bunions. Do you wear them while you take yoga? No. Oh. No. It's like sitting around.

I haven't taken yoga in a long time. Yeah. I do some yoga activity at my house. You know, I stretch and do some of the yoga moves but i i haven't found a good place out here yeah i like it hot i like hot yoga like that like yeah like 105 yeah i get so distracted i like that like i start to not feel good it's suffering i like the suffering i think that's cool i got into it when i was I'd rather like sit in a sauna and then do yoga. I do that too.

Yeah. You know, I started doing the ice cold shower thing. Yes. Fucking love it. It's great, right? You feel amazing after you get out of there. Yeah. Just like, well, I do it for like a minute.

And then I take a regular shower. And then I do a minute on my way out. But it helps to set the timer and then i was like you just like it changes your whole day like i noticed when i didn't do it as opposed to when i did there's a distinct difference in my stress level yeah your body releases something called norepinephrine when you're you're in uh like extreme cold right your body your body releases this uh chemical that's uh makes you feel good like um that's one of the things about cryotherapy that people love so much when you get out it's incredible you're

like there's a high yeah oh my god i would do that cryo health care in woodland hills when i would leave i would be like cryo here did they have full body cryo though? Yeah. Where you step in? When I did it, my head was out. Yeah. Because this was the only place they did cryo was in Austin. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. I bet they do.

I bet they have it where you can walk in. The walk-in one's a big difference because your head gets cold. Like there's, according to this doctor who's explaining it to me, who's like, you get a great benefit from doing the neck down, no doubt. He goes, but the benefit that you get when you do your whole body it's like your body's not confused like if you do the neck down your body's like why is fucking everything from the neck down freezing and my head's normal it's all the heat's like oh god oh god it's a weird yeah but when your head is under two your body's like oh this shit is real somebody dropped us off on the dark side of the moon oh

shit yeah because that's what it's like it's literally the temperature of the dark side of the moon it's like 240 degrees below zero and you wouldn't get your own cryo at home that's a that's not a good way to die yeah i was gonna say a good way to freeze to death i thought about it was like not a good idea yeah if i don't want to kill myself with a cobra i was just gonna say Just kidding. It's a pet cobra. You missed it. That was so good. Yeah. It's like getting a pet cobra. Cryotherapy is only dangerous, though, in that way where it blacks you out if you do the below the neck kind.

See, the below the neck kind is liquid nitrogen, and you're not supposed to inhale that shit. The lady that died in Vegas, what happened was she was short, and she didn't adjust the height of the machine correctly and her face was like here. So she's breathing in that liquid nitrogen. She just fell asleep. You black out because you're not breathing in air anymore. Did she work at the facility? Is that what happened? Oh, look at this.

I think we talked about it a few weeks ago. It's really big because two or three people can get in. We're going to have a fucking party up in that bitch. You and Jamie getting cryo together? Don't tell me smells good. Jamie and I dance together in the cryotherapy box.

Yeah, it's, that's my favorite kind. Yeah. The whole body kind. How cold does that one get though? Some of them pussy out to get it to like 180 below.

Like, let's get, let's party. You know what I'd like is just a good polar bear swim. You know, give me a cold lake yeah

jump in that thing especially if it's like through the ice if you can smash the ice and jump in yeah go to go to Iceland they do that

well the Russians have it right they do that banya where they have they set up a sauna right next to a hole in the water cool

so they cut a hole in the water and then they get in the sauna they they beat each other with the leaves you know they do that with like eucalyptus leaves and then they jump in the cold water and then they go back and forth and back and forth oh yeah yeah we talked about it with emily harrington here uh-huh they have on their instagram they have you talking about their

oh big full bite minus 170 or something like that there you you go. Look, there you are. Oh, motherfucking. Thank you. That's a Black Rifle coffee. Coffee or die. Well, now we know. So we'll go. Big one. All right. It's a good spot.

Good. Beautiful. Cryotherapy. So you set up for that. Yeah, okay, great. We've got to find you some yoga while you're here in a good apartment. And we're golden. I want a house, though.

A house? Okay. Yeah. Do you want a little bit of property? There's a lot of deer out here, too. You'll have little animals coming in your backyard. Well, I don't know if I want to be too remote, because I don't know enough, that many people here, so I kind of want to be like-

Come move near us. Close. Where's, well- We'll talk later. Yeah. Tell me later. I'll tell you exactly where I live. Yeah.

There's plenty of spots. I know what you're saying, though. My address is- I like that idea that idea though of a house because yeah me too you got a yard and peace and quiet and birds chirping and shit and i like i like to cook and like i like to have friends over and you know it's the apartment is it's cool i'm just i'm good and also making music too when i feel like people can hear me i hate it oh right right like to hear you practice hear me playing music or crying i don't want anyone to hear me

you want to be able to scream why me like six months ago during covid when i was like just bubbling up with just stuff that i had to you know face down i it. I would take drives through Malibu and then go to the beach. And I was driving through old Mulholland Drive wailing, crying. And I went home and I felt amazing. But I realized that I don't do that at home because Russell downstairs can hear me.

Is that the guy who hates the cat? Oh. He's great. I love him. I do love him a lot. He's my friend. He's just sad. He's. Oh. He's great. I love him. I do love him a lot. He's my friend. I don't want to talk. He's just sad.

He's just sad. He's going to get there. He's going to be okay. He is. Russell's going to be okay. He's a great dude, though. I want to be clear. He's a good dude.

I get it. Yeah. I feel bad for outing him for making fun of me about the cats. What is that? A little cigarette? I was going to smoke dad grass. I was going to smoke it after I sang another song. Dad grass?

Yeah. I brought this on last time. It's and Duncan really loves it too. It's CBD. You would, you can make fun of me. It's fine. But it's, it's gives me like the perfect high. Cause when I smoke regular weed, I get too high and I can't, I wouldn't be able to talk

to you right now. Oh, not in the way that I would like to. Well, we've done it before. We got too high and you pulled it off. I don't know, man. Well, we've done it before We got too high and you pulled it off I don't know, man You know, our last podcast with Honey Honey

We had to pull over I was puking behind a city bank in the valley And I lost my earring That was booze I hadn't drank for a month I hadn't drank for a month And I remember Ben looking at me being like Suze, you okay?

And I was like, I'm good. Dude, we went all in. It was fun. I drank someone's whiskey with a joint in it. You did. Yeah. You did. We partied like college kids, and it was fun.

I wouldn't have it any other way, but I definitely, yeah, man, that was intense. It was a fun return, too, because you guys had split up for a while, and you're back together again. We're so good too like i i just met his girlfriend and i'm just like he we we had we met over zoom because he's on the east coast um and afterwards i texted him and i was like i really like her a lot and he was like fucking look at us suze and it was beautiful it was awesome that's awesome yeah that's a risky move to be romantically involved in someone that you're in a band with Fucking look at us, Suze. And it was beautiful. It was awesome. That's awesome.

That's a risky move to be romantically involved with someone that you're in a band with. We're on the same soul branch. I'm a lifer with that dude. And yeah, that was risky. It works for some people. Shovels and Rope are this incredible husband and wife duo. Shovels and Rope, that's how they're going to kill each other after it doesn't work out. You would love their music. I know, but Shovels and rope, that's how they're going to kill each other after it doesn't work out.

You would love their music. I know, but shovels and rope, Jesus Christ. What do you want to call it? Shovels and rope? Maybe that's what it has to do with. If this fucking thing doesn't work, I'm digging a hole. I wonder what the story behind their band name is. I'm going to choke you with a rope,

and then I'm going to be digging a fucking hole. I would actually wonder if that has something to do with their band name. That's 100% the name. That's great. Never thought of it. Shovels and rope? God, you're so quick. Come on. They're amazing. He's going to do it. That's 100% the name. That's great. Never thought of it. Shovels and Rope. God, you're so quick. Come on.

They're amazing. He's going to kill her. No way. That's what I see in his face in the bulging veins. Their music is incredible. I'm kidding. Shovels and Rope. I'm sorry.

I'm a comedian. When they come on here one day. They do look like they're having a good time. Oh, they're one of my favorite bands. They're some of the best live performers out there. Them and Shaky Graves. Listen, it can 100 work out with comedians with singers like anybody that says like don't do this like stop

people you you can't generalize like that people are so they vary so much like my good friend tom segura and his wife christina pozitsky they're they're they were great together and they're both comics and they're both really. And they're both really good. They're both hilarious. They're obviously taking care of each other. Yes. That's the thing. They also know that particular kind of crazy,

like they understand the stand-up comic kind of crazy. They get each other. I think the more you take care of yourself okay. The more you take care of yourself, because at first when you said you called me complicated, I took that as a negative thing. Not like you were insulting me, but like, oh, does that mean I'm like a handful? But really the more you cultivate your person and your passions and the less

basic you are, the harder it is to find a partner. Yeah, for sure. But like, it's also. Dumb people find people all yeah for sure but like it's also um dumb people find people all the time i like you i like you and they just get together and just rub ugly parts they uh that's normal god it's complicated you're i am gonna move out to the woods in texas and you're a creative person if you're a creative person there's no way you're not going to be complicated. You know, all those fucking weird energies

rolling around inside your head. Yeah. I'm reading this book called Women Who Run With The Wolves and it's about like cultivating your like wild self. Whereas like a lot of women are, you know,

you're, you're deprogrammed, you're programmed to be like polite and like, like I curse like a sailor and like some people hate that, you know, and like deprogrammed, you're programmed to be like polite. And like, like, I curse like a sailor. And like, people, some people hate that, you know, and like a woman shouldn't talk like that, that kind of thing. And it sounds archaic, but it still holds weight, like, even just genetically, like, in that familiar way, like, knowing, like, when I got tattoos on my hands,

I remember going to Thanksgiving dinner that year year and this was back when like we'd have these like big dinners and everybody was together and i was so scared of like oh my god my aunts and uncles seeing these tattoos on my hands and then i was like but why why am i not just being myself you know because it's not proper and all that shit so anyway um that's part of it is like being in in good relationship with the wildness of yourself i'm i'm wild i am like i'm i'm gonna you know try stuff and and be messy and like you know not be cool i don't feel cool a lot of the time like there's gonna be someone out there that that's exactly what they're looking yeah cool where there's someone out there that thinks like a woman shouldn't do that a woman should do yeah there's some rigid asshole it's tough man farts are funny i get it i get it

yeah you know don't overdo it but like be cool with it don't overdo it don't hurt anybody's feelings yeah you wanna bust out another song? yeah I do it's already 3.30 I know what time do you have to get going?

um definitely before 4 I gotta go over my notes and shit hell yeah I'm so excited to see you guys I'm like it's this other stuff is just extra

you know like I was ready to just hang out and come to your show tonight because i haven't seen you perform in like at least over a year a year and a half at the store was that the last time yeah i kind of missed that place so what what's happening with it nothing because they can't even have an outside bar anymore really? they had an outside bar and everything they shut that down that would have been perfect

they had the outside bar going on for a while and then they wouldn't let them do outside shows there's just so much horse shit that's such a bummer because they actually could have had small shows there what do you got there? that's a capo what is capo?

Jamie you want to take this one? It changes the bass notes of the guitar. The bass notes? Well, it changes all the notes. It basically raises, you can raise the key. You can't, like, not raise the key. So the sound from the microphone is registering on that bar. Nope.

That's not what it's for. But her sound from her guitar is registering on the microphone. She was doing that for tuning. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. That capo on the neck is what we were talking about. No, that's not what we were talking about.

Oh, you were talking about this. I'm talking about the app. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's a what we were talking about. Oh, you were talking about this. I'm talking about the app. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's a tuner. Yeah, how does that work? So it's registering. It's hearing the sound from the microphone, and it's registering on that meter, and it's showing you exactly where each string should be.

Is that what it is? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. You know, I just saw this new app, too. So that's not a capo. No. I would have gone looking for the capo app.

I'm like, I'm looking for a capo. What are you talking about? There's this new thing my friend told me about. It's called decibel meter. And it measures the frequencies. Whether or not you're going to go deaf like last night's show. Yeah, but this is where I want to like, like if I had, no. If I had the wherewithal to have brought this out when I was visited by aliens the other day.

And realized you were in negative numbers. What frequency is that? I'm not like I could have actually seen my phone. Just for real. That's what it's doing. It's tuning it to the exact frequency that they noticed. Okay. Oh, interesting.

So each string has a very specific frequency. Oh. And a lot of times people just do it by ear, right? You just kind of know? No, I wouldn't say a lot of times. If you have perfect pitch, my friend has perfect pitch. He's like, I can tell you, I can't tell you the name of the note, but I could tell you if it's sharp or flat and when it's perfect.

And he does. It's crazy. It's so crazy. Is that just a rare ability? I think you can well they say we're all born with perfect pitch. They say all babies are born with perfect pitch and it's just something you lose apparently but I think sometimes it's just naturally there

and then other times you can like cultivate it. Jamie Foxx notably has perfect pitch I believe. I believe that. That's why you can recreate perfect pitch, I believe. I believe that. That's why you can recreate people's voices so well. I believe that. That makes sense. I feel like my pitch has been changing since I haven't been singing that much, but we'll see.

But I, okay, so yeah, this tune is like, I haven't really written anything like this and it's, yeah, it's kind of like like it has to do with everything we've been talking about just like a summary pretty much okay all right it's called save for love Light that pipe, make it burn red Make it hiss like the storm that sits your window Fill up those lungs, honey It won't be long before the moment's gone And you're dealing with your sorrow Take what you can get, count all of your blessings

Cause that hurricane ahead might be never ending Rain in hell, oh no one's gonna sleep through this one there ain't no shelter ain't no walls that's gonna hold it all together

safe for love love love love ooh ooh Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, for the hateful seat them at your table give them bread for their broken hearts and kindness

if you're able cause it's raining hell and all no one's gonna sleep through this one there ain't no shelter

ain't no walls that's gonna hold it all together, save for love. Oh love. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, When there's shit to carry, don't be angry that it's heavy Honey, no, you're not alone There's arms here at the ready To help you bear the load No, it ain't a one-way road We gotta do this thing together and grow

Cause it's raining hell on earth No one's gonna sleep through this one There ain't no shelter, ain't no walls That's gonna hold it all together, safe for love Oh love Safe for love Mmm, safe for love Safe love It's beautiful.

Thanks. Hey, thanks, man. It's probably one of the truer, hippier ones I've written, but it took me a minute. You look like a hippie today. You got the full jean outfit on. Well, I felt like I was going into your spaceship, so I needed to wear my jumpsuit. Yeah, that's like a 1970s spacesuit. Yeah, there's something about jean jackets, right?

Like jean shirts and jean jackets. Right. It's like whatever it is about that cloth, it equals casual. This is like chambray. It's a jean jumpsuit. Is it jeans? Yeah, it's denim. Yeah.

It's page denim. She's great. Chambray? Is that a person? I think it's a color. I'm not sure. Oh. I said it and then I was like, hmm, can't believe it. Chambray? Chambray, I think it's like color i'm not sure oh i said it and then i was like chambray chambray it's like i think it's like this blue color oh you know you learn a new thing

every day it's it's important to know this one isn't i guess so that's apparently not no jumpsuit yeah that's the thing that a guy can't necessarily wear no No, guys wear really cool Dickies jumpsuits all the time. It's sexy as fuck. Do they? Yeah. You like guys in jumpsuits? Maybe you need a data mechanic. You have to take the whole thing off.

Oh. So there's that. That's uncomfortable. That's weird. Maybe you need a mechanic in your life. Possibly. You like Dickies jumpsuits? I mean, I like-

Carhartt, that kind of shit? I like a lot of things. I mean, I can't say like... I'd like them to wear other things. Do you feel like you're born in the wrong era? I feel like you would fit in in like the 1960s very easily. No, definitely not the 60s. Really?

No. How come? Because I would... I feel like the adverse effects of my wildness would just be like, I don't know, man. It depends. Your wildness would be more damaging in the 60s? To myself. How so?

Well, because the 60s are like, okay. So, you know, you have the 50s, right, of all the returning World War II vets and like they're starting families and families and they're you know they're probably in their teens when they went to war and it's like the don't talk about the war just go home and make babies and yeah pick up and then all this ptsd and trauma and stuff and like and then and now i can smoke um the 60s was like i think this the crumbling of that of being like that stuff doesn't come without consequence. Like, you have to deal with it. You have to deal with all of this trauma. And, you know, also like, I don't know, just like the women's place in the world.

Oh, yeah. Fuck that. Yeah. You don't realize how bad it is until you watch a movie from the 1960s. The guys are smacking women around. Oh, my God. It's pretty normal. It's like Handmaid's Tale.

Have you seen it? I didn't watch it. I watched one episode and I was like, this shit's too depressing. It's tough. It's eye-opening. It makes me feel like visceral anguish. Because you're just like, these women are

you don't want to get into it. Fuck it. I think I would have hung out in the 70s maybe. The 70s you'd have been fine. Because you're just like these women are... You don't want to get into it. Fuck it. Yeah. Well, it seems like it's... I think I would have hung out in the 70s maybe. The 70s, you'd have been fine. Yeah. Don't you think that's the same shit with women, the way women are treated? I always go with movies. Go with a good Steve McQueen movie.

Steve McQueen was the hero. Okay. And he used to smack the fuck out of girls in these movies. Yeah, it's so messed up. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. You fit right in there, woman. Yeah, this is a little different, guys.

Come on. I can see you with that blue one. How dare you? Look at those sleeves. How about the orange one? That is way too foo-foo for me. Okay. I feel like you're selling yourself short.

Okay, black one on the left. Black one on the left is all you. Yeah, yeah. What about the bell bottoms? Could you rock the bell bottoms? It depends if I'm in shape or not. Because, you know, I got them hips. And, like, those are meant for women with very narrow hips.

Bell bottoms, huh? Otherwise, you really get a weird pear shape and then a whole nother shape at the bottom of the pear. Girls have so much shit to worry about. Nah. Guys, basically, other than the bell bottom thing, guys don't dress much different. That's true. The male fashion trends are really, they stick within the same revolving stuff. Yeah, collars get longer.

Collars got long for a while. I don't think those big long collars are back, though. No. 70s, no. No, they'll never come back. I'll tell you who dresses amazingly is gary clark jr he does always looks good he does he he uh john vervedos is like he did his campaigns really yeah i when i was playing with hosier i was backstage at the beacon theater in new york and i was talking to

this really nice guy and his wife and they're Midwestern. They're telling me about the kids, pet turtle. And I was like, wow, these people are cool. And then I was like, uh, well, how do you know Andy Hosier?

And he's like, Oh, he was in my campaign. And I was like, what's your campaign? He's like, Oh, I'm John Vervetos.

And I was like, what? He was the nicest guy. And then I was also like, Hey, why don't you get a women's line? Doesn't he look good? Yeah, it does. Well, the way he dressed last night get a women's line? Look at that. Doesn't he look good? Yeah.

He does. Well, the way he dressed last night, I could never wear those clothes on stage. Well, he has his ankles exposed, like his cuffs are rolled up. You can't expose your ankles on stage. What's that? Yeah, those big boots. Yeah, those big boots. Why can't you expose your ankles on stage?

Well, I mean, I just can't roll my pants up like that. I just can't. That's fair. It requires too much effort. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a look. Yeah. stage well i mean i just can't roll my pants up like that i just can't that's fair it's just it requires too much effort yeah yeah yeah it's like i'm it's a look yeah you know there's a lot of things i can't do as well like what else no you're bad uh what can't i do um i can't do high-waisted pants the like mom jeans look i don't get that it gives me a stomach ache every time because i can't once you sit down there's like this pressure on your gut.

Yeah. And I always end up like really gassy. So I can't wear high-waisted jeans. Where did that come from? Who told women that that looks good? I mean, some people wear it well. Yeah? Some people wear it really well.

And they look beautiful. It's just their body type. So is this, this weed is like calm weed it's like not you're not getting really fucked up no i love it give me one of them yay dad grass minor league fucked up so people don't share joints anymore you take the whole thing no we don't share joints anyway i know but we're both free i know, if you want to share, but have your own. That's okay. Yeah, it's lovely. I, oh my God, this is so funny.

Joe, this is so funny. A couple weeks ago, it was a Sunday. I had all this stuff to do. And I think I was reading, I was reading something. I don't know. I was like hanging out and I was like, oh, I'm going to smoke a dad grass. And I smoked like the whole thing. And then I realized it was Joe Rogan weed.

And I didn't, I did it by accident. Oh no. And normally I just take two puffs of that weed before bed and it knocks me out. And I was like, and I was hallucinating. I mean, I took, I took a shower and I think I was in there for 45 minutes and I was like I I called Ben and I was like Ben I drugged myself and he was like I think it was meant to be and I was I was so fucking high for the rest of the day and I and then I I just gave myself the day off and I watched like Rick and Morty and I laughed and I was like I guess the universe wanted me to get super high.

It's a good reset. But I was incapacitated. Yeah. It's a good reset sometimes. I'm going to grab that lighter again. Yeah. But after it's over, you feel good. Yeah.

I did. I think, yeah, I was given a luxury I didn't know I needed. That's one thing that Texas needs is legal weed. I was going to ask about that. That's ridiculous out here. They'll throw you in the gulag. Do you have to worry about the authorities or anything? I'm going to find out.

They'll probably love you. I think the cops think it's nonsense. The problem is it's the way people are voting. But then part of me says, yeah, but that's also keeping the state red, which keeps people free you have freedoms in terms of like freedom the second amendment freedoms and and then just freedoms to go to restaurants and the things they allow they allow you to make your own choices here which is california is not into california is not allowing people to make their own choices

and i think there's there's a balance to well, you can't go to a restaurant. You can't open your restaurant. You can't go to a gym. You can't open your gym. Like all the shit that you can do here. It's really backwards too. Like you can get your nails done, but you can't get, like one of my best friends is an esthetician. So she does facials, but they like shut her down.

But like you can do, it's like, it's really it's it's really imbalanced it doesn't make any sense no it's not scientific and it's not done by people that are smart it's done by people that are so fucking stupid they wanted to be mayors and they got they got put into that position and we didn't think it was that big of a deal what kind of powers the does the mayor have? No big deal. Turns out a lot when shit hits the fan. Local corruption is really underestimated. I remember asking my dad years ago, we went to Pittsburgh for something and Pittsburgh was thriving

and it was such a beautiful city and Cleveland's supposed to hate Pittsburgh. And I asked my dad, I was like, Dad, how come Pittsburgh looks so evolved? And asked my dad i was like dad why how come pittsburgh looks so evolved and in this at the time i was like cleveland does not and cleveland's done a lot better since and he was like corruption honey he's like how like our like i think at the time there were like several city council members in jail from embezzling and like it's just they just got hoed so hard and i think that people they got hoed yeah they got hoed so hard. And I think that people... They got hoed? Yeah, they got hoed.

And I think that people underestimate thinking that they're always out for your best interest and that you're being taken care of and you don't have to worry about a thing. You've got to get active if you want to make changes in your community, period. And that's it. But I still love Cleveland. You can be in a place that's so fucked up that even being active is not going to bring it back. Like you got to know when to abandon ship. And that's kind of how I felt about L.A. Like I remember reading some article where they're calling Elon Musk and I cowards because we're leaving L.A. instead of staying and fixing it.

And I'm like, listen, you're not fixing this. That's interesting like you don't understand like it falls on your shoulders that's ridiculous i'm a moron the idea of me fixing the the politics of la is hilarious but you don't it's not sustainable for people like me at least like it's not i i want a comfortable lifestyle and between, you know, just the cost of living there and where everything's at. And I,

I, again, I love it. I think it's one of the most beautiful places in the world. California is stunning. It's pretty cool. It's, it's pretty awesome.

There's a lot of great things about it. You go from the ocean to the mountains in like two hours. Right. The climate's incredible. I was in ohio a couple weeks ago or last weekend and i was like there's there's a thing that happens with liberal politics apparently when things go south when things go bad like like what we're seeing here there's this with this pandemic there's this at least with the way new york runs and new jersey runs and now california

they want to tell people what to do and what what you can and can't do and they had eight months to to do something about the hospitals they had eight months eight fucking months they had eight months to figure out how to test people better they had eight months right they had eight months how to encourage people to strengthen their immune system they didn't do any of those things right they just told people what you can't do and it's just poor poor vision it's like the people that are in charge of doing this and setting up the rules and regulations you would never listen to them in real life. Right.

Have you ever listened to Garcetti talk? No. He seems like a wonderful guy. A little bit. He's not my boy. I'm not calling him out but hanging out with him. He's a dork. Right?

And Newsom is just a, like, clearly a, like, naked ambition as wanting to be the president. Yeah. He's got this political naked ambition. And when guys like him get exposed, like he got exposed when he went to that restaurant, you realize like, oh, I was right. This is what I saw.

I saw this horse shit. And here it is. There you go. You're horse shitting. I get it. This is true. Every time I go to Dodger Stadium, I can't really hear him, but there's like Garcetti like sitting at a desk talking.

And every time I look at it, I get a sick feeling. And that's all I could tell you is like, I'm not listening to what he's saying in a logical way or anything. I'm just like the way it feels when i look at it it's fake it's like a fake weird way of communicating that you only can get away with when you're doing it for a lot of people yeah yeah i don't i don't like any of them it's like i don't like the decisions you don't have to deal with them anymore thank god yeah but i don't the decisions they're making is ruining the place where i live for the last 26 years i mean it's thanks it really is um it's uh oh it's still hot yeah

that thing's awesome it's insulated look at that yeah yeah i think that that's where um there's a lot of people i really really love that are in california that i i want to be able to see so i think the best of both worlds is like that's going to be like the place to visit. And when I have work there, just, you know, tend to it. But interestingly enough, I can live here and get probably a lot more done. So, I mean, it kind of feels. The vibe here is more relaxed. Like I feel better here.

I used to feel tense in L. The vibe here is more relaxed. Like I feel better here. I used to feel tense in LA, like much more tense. Yeah. I feel more relaxed here. And, you know, doing this thing, doing this podcast is just fucking weird. Knowing that there's millions of people listening is a weird thing. The more I can do to be relaxed, the better off I am. Yep. Yep.

No, it's a lot of energy coming at you and you're doing great well thank you you're handling it very well thank you very much yeah it's like everything you get better at it you know you get better at handling things yeah I mean again like full circle like all the like work you know you can you have the opportunity to do during this time is like just that like how to handle whatever energies in your life yeah and yeah it's it feels really fucking good when you figure out your formula for yourself yeah so you felt like that that's like the biggest change about this pandemic because it's giving you this opportunity to kind of like enjoy being alone

enjoy like little rituals like your matcha cupcakes or donuts or whatever and those kind of change the way you look at things enjoy things more like choose to be happy choose to be excited instead of be you know filled with anxiety you choose to be happy about it. Something I discovered about myself in like minute detail is that I've, like I said, like, like, oh my God, I had to reassess calming down before I came here. Like, I feel like one of the things, and this is pretty narcissistic actually, but that like, I'm in the way. I feel like i'm bothering people a lot of the time when i'm just being myself it's yeah it's a really weird feeling and like what makes you feel that um i think it's childhood stuff you feel like you're bothering people when you're just being

yourself yeah like i'm too much for a lot of people but the thing is if i'm too much for those people they're not gonna be my friend or my lover or my boyfriend or husband you know what I mean but you're not too much for your friends like I don't think you're too much no you're fun thanks I enjoy your company it's it's weird it's almost like imposter syndrome stuff it's like been I don't know how to describe it very well right now everybody gets that yeah but it but when you're alone it's debilitating because like you know I was processing my last relationship and like oh my god like it's what did i do wrong you know but at the end of the day it was just like two people that weren't right for each other and like stuff like that that like you can just take a good hard look at but also you know

celebrating yourself is like a weird thing to do but it's such a good thing to do when you're like kind of crawling out of a weird hole yeah it all depends on where you're at in life right the problem is when you're killing it and you're celebrating yourself people want to just fucking smack you like you really shouldn't be celebrating yourself and everything's going great that's when you really should probably be a little harder on yourself and a little more scrutiny and a little more humility and it's a balance because you should enjoy it too but like enjoy it with the people like share those things with people that matter of being like wow i've never felt better about blah blah blah like that's cool it's one thing if you're like

yeah don't be an asshole yeah i enjoy very little of my success i enjoy other things yeah i don't enjoy it too weird okay i enjoy. Okay. I enjoy other stuff. You enjoy the fruits of it. I enjoy like, I enjoy doing things. I enjoy like hard workouts. I enjoy archery. Yeah. I enjoy things that don't give a fuck what I do or who I am. That's awesome.

Things that require, they require a certain amount of effort. And those are like byproducts of the success kind of? Sort of. I mean, I enjoy the fact when shows are over they went great i want everybody to have a good time i enjoy that i'm happy with that but i always feel like back to work bitch yeah that's like the moment i get off stage and everything's great i always feel like go back to work i don't know if that's healthy or not but it's the only way i have of uh maintaining some sort of balance through this weird life that I live. Yeah. I mean, like you can't really compare yourself to anybody else. So there's like,

you're also like pioneering this, this enormous amount of energy that like, yeah, you could be a fucking lunatic, but you're not. So, you know, and that's really cool. Really? Yeah. It definitely would lend itself to if you were a lunatic or if you didn't have a lot of uh self-introspective thing like if you weren't inclined towards introspection and inclined towards uh self-analytical thinking you know if you weren't like ruthlessly analytical about your own self it would fuck you well here's a question are you good at saying sorry when you fuck up yes that's better at that than i've ever been in my life that's everything yeah i go out of my way

it's a it's a important thing to do it's really scary when you get because i've seen it other people when they they get really successful and then the people around them start catering to them in a way that is so damaging and they lose their perspective and like it's scary yeah well it happens to people you know um they were talking about that gentleman who ran um zappos who wound up dying recently yeah well he was doing a lot of drugs and then there's something with a fire. He got caught in a fire. I don't know if they were related or not. Jesus. One of the things that I read that he was friends with Jewel, the singer.

She said, I got a piece of trivia. Do you know that Jewel is from the same family that is on that Alaska The Last Frontier show? No. Yes. But I know she's from Alaska. That's her family. That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.

Like one of the most talented singers ever. Yeah, I hear really good things about her. How could she be anything other than- Wait, have you had her on? No, I'd love to have her on. Cool. But how could she be anything other than wonderful? She's got an amazing voice.

Yeah. But she was friends with that dude from Zappos, and she said to him, listen, when the only people that you're talking to are on your payroll, like, fucked yeah and that's a great yeah she would have a perspective too because i mean she was wildly famous in the 90s and like you know you see it you see it like like look at britney spears i mean like my god look at her like it's. But I think she's got some mental issues. Yeah, but also, like, she... Can you imagine one of your kids at 15 parading around millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people?

Millions. Oh, I had Miley on, you know? Oh, my God! Yeah. I listened to half of that when I was getting a COVID test. That made me sad. Yeah. She's so fucking talented.

Yeah. But what made me sad is thinking about her as a 12 year old yeah doing stadiums yeah in arenas yeah just it's a lot it's crazy she's remarkably together for someone who has grown up with uh without a real life you know her life i don't think anyone first of all i think fame for anyone is a weird drug it's fucking weird you know it's weird if you're 50 it's weird if you're 12 it's weird it's dealable yeah if you understand who you are but if you're growing up and you're evolving while you're getting famous that seems insane oh. Oh, my God, yeah. It's like it's impossible. And it's also contingent upon what you're famous for. The thing is, Miley is wildly talented and deep,

and she's an artist. You hear her sing Jolene, you go, holy fuck. Yeah, and it's like, thank God for that, because she's able to save herself and all the ways that she's done all this work which i'm sure was no easy feat and then she also has that to keep going and work with and those tools only get sharpened when you have that perspective you know the thing about asshole famous people when they you know start the whole like payroll concept is like, they're, they're so fucked. They're so lost, you know, and like, you know, narcissism is a real thing. And that can spiral into other like,

probably cluster B personality disorder stuff. It's like, oh, yeah, you know, people are getting like infected almost. And it's very sad, you know, well, you if you see like a person who's crazy narcissistic, and then see their employees that are like stumbling around trying to serve them and get them things and holding a clipboard and taking notes with everything they say like that kind of weirdness makes me sick i've been i've been uh employed on in areas of that and and like i'm not drinking that fucking kool-aid like and it's it's a tough one i don't like to be around any of that it's weird because it's the same shit that happens with kings it's the same shit that happens with royalty like there's a weird thing that happens

with people when they have ultimate power you know it's the old adage you know uh ultimate power corrupts ultimately no absolute power corrupts absolutely you know it's the old adage you know uh ultimate power corrupts ultimately no absolute power corrupts absolutely you know there's something about it having that ability to just tell everybody what to do like how how could you be a king and not be out of your fucking mind you know like imagine only if you are able to incorporate the balance like the rest of us and we all have different formulas for the balance and it takes constant cultivation period it's not like you did good and you're like you got like because everything's always changing and the people around you are always changing and like those

are the qualities i look for in my friends and i look for in my partners and it's amazing when you start taking a hard look at that like my whole social circles really changed during this in a really healthy way and i and i have love for everybody on their journey i really do but like at the end of the day the folks that are like they've got their balance dialed in and even when they're off balance but they they want to get back to here. Like, I respect that so much. It's everything. It is. Those are the type of people that you need to be around.

Yeah. Because then you also set those same standards for yourself. You can spend your time and your energy being the dictator, right? If you were a guy that runs a movie studio or if you're some famous singer or whatever you could you could be the dictator for everybody around you or spend that time working on yourself yeah the same energy you you could use to make sure that you never become a tyrant right make sure that you never become that that crazy person yelling at all your employees well you know i know we have to go in a little bit,

but like kind of bringing it back to the beginning, you know, this, you know, psychedelic experience I have with my best friend. Like when we got through that point of like her deep pain and trauma and mine as well, like we aren't victimized. We're like acknowledging this thing that we've worked both in our separate ways

really really hard uh and efficiently so to to find a place for in our lives and balance and like in that like i keep calling it sacred pain you know because that's how it felt because i was also honored that she would share the things that she did because she knows that she's safe with me and vice versa but like the people that turn into tyrants never did that shit they never dealt with their pain and like my friend never admit their flaws they would never admit those those painful fears that they have and that's really sad you're like missing out on on like real reward in life but there's like it's celebrated in life right like to be a diva is celebrated right i think that's changing yeah it's like that's like, it's celebrated in life, right? Like to be a diva is celebrated, right? I think that's changing.

Yeah. It's like, that's like celebrating an asshole. It's like, oh, that guy's such a piece of shit. Like, why? It just doesn't. Well, that was, you know, those characters have always existed, right? Like the asshole producer. Like someone was telling me the other day about this television producer they had to

deal with who was a real asshole. And I said that that was an archetype. Like that asshole producer was something that you aspired to be. Like those guys that produce television shows and films and fucking yell at everybody, get this fucking shitty script out of my office or you're fucking fired.

Call up my wife and call this up and get this and tell that guy to go fuck himself i'm like that that guy was the man like that that's why the pendulum's swinging so you know uh just uh pull like so dramatically because like then you have the other side that it's like everybody's so goddamn sensitive you can't say boo without someone falling apart you know like no don't get me wrong there are things that need to change 100 but like where's that middle ground and i think we're still finding it there's over corrections but that's how things get fixed i mean listen that's what when when you were talking about the asshole producer right harvey weinstein is the archetype of that right i mean everybody

was terrified of that guy and look what happens to to him. They just locked him in jail. Like he's, he's fucked forever. Yeah. You know, and then you, you see that the world is not the same place it was when he was telling people what to do and screaming at people and whatever horrible shit he did to women. That's all gone. It's changed. The world's a different place now. And so.

But like people still need to be able to take a dick joke. that's all gone. It's changed. The world's a different place now. And so, but like, people still need to be able to take a dick joke without being like, you know, I was assaulted. Wait, what? That was just a dick joke. You know,

like, I mean, there's, there's just, yeah, that's just a lot of idiots that have the access to social media. The problem is there's so many people that don't have their own shit worked out,

but they want to control other people. They want to tell people what they can and can't do. And they want to enforce it. And they want to try to enforce it by getting you fired. Or they want to try to enforce it by, you know, getting you shamed. I think that has like deep karmic consequence when you're the one pressing those buttons. Yeah. Definitely does.

Especially if somebody exposes it. Also, I don't know how one would sit with themselves. Like deeply sit with themselves. Because they don't sit with themselves. They're just tweeting. No. I think that like you can't avoid that eventually maybe not right away right maybe there's that like oh i just got off on destroying somebody or something but i don't know well there's levels of development like there's levels of everything like there's levels of guitar playing right like some people can kind of strum a little bit some people can fucking shred yeah like gary right there's levels to how to be a human too

there's levels to how you judge and communicate with other people a lot of people suck at it i know but you know what's really cool is uh i think i think we're on a trajectory right now. Yeah. I really do. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. There's bad moments, but bad moments always give way to better moments,

almost always, unless you hit an asteroid or some crazy shit. I don't know. Aren't there a bunch of asteroids in Texas? Isn't this like... No, there's asteroids in space. They come slamming down. They hit various parts of the planet.

Are they just like out there in the yard? Some of them, I'm sure. You could find them. A lot of them are in Antarctica for whatever reason. Cool. Suzanne, it's always a pleasure seeing you, my friend. Oh, my God. Thank you so much.

I really do hope you move here and we can hang out more often. Oh, my God. I just want to go fishing in your backyard. Yay. Let's hang out tonight. oh my god I just want to go fishing in your backyard yay let's um let's uh hang out tonight how about that

sounds good yay 444 how about that crazy alright cool is that good

is that good luck I think so okay we'll deem it good luck yeah um when is the album gonna come out

I'm gonna I'm gonna say the next two months or so I've got some... I really have to, like, corral the stuff. But it's almost done. Yeah. Will you let me know? I will. And I'll sound the alarms. Thank you.

Thank you, my friend. Always good to see you. Likewise. Goodbye, everybody. See ya.