The Joe Rogan Experience - #1589 - Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr

Episode Date: January 6, 2021

Dr. Mark Gordon is an expert in the field of neuroregenerative medicine and the treatment of Traumatic Brain Injuries. SFC Andrew Marr is a Green Beret, co-founder of the Warrior Angels Foundation, and author of "Tales from the Blast Factory". He is also one of the subjects in the new documentary "Quiet Explosions" available now. Video credit: "Coronavirus Epidemic Update 34: US Cases Surge, Chloroquine & Zinc Treatment Combo, Italy Lockdown" by MedCram - Medical Lectures Explained CLEARLY - https://youtu.be/U7F1cnWup9M

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day gentlemen good to see you hey don't no mention of your mustache i'm not even gonna bring absolutely nothing mark's mustache looks good and i'm happy to be here, Joe. Well, I like the fact that you trimmed it down. You had the crazy, bushy, the full fucking spec-op beard. Grizzly Adams. Yeah, and you went with the porn stache. That's it? Yes. Nothing more?

Tom Selleck? Who else? It's a very good Tom Selleck. Thank you. What is the guy that has the coffee? The guy from Columbia? Juan Valdez. Didn't Juan Valdez have a porn stash as well?

Oh, he did. I believe so. It's just full and bushy. I don't know why I came up with Juan Valdez, but I think it's because of the coffee. You poured the coffee. Stashes used to be a thing. It used to be a full-on thing.

And it just stopped being a thing. There he is. That's it. It used to be a full-on thing. And it just stopped being a thing. There he is. All right. That's it. Si, senor. It's a Juan Valdez. Carlos Sanchez. Carlos Sanchez is the real guy.

So he's Juan Valdez. How long did you rock your mustache, Joe? For about 30 seconds. Mrs. Rogan was having no fucking part of it. I had a full beard, and I shaved everything but the stache. I go, I'm thinking about kipping this. What do you think? Some women like mustaches.

Yeah, I like my door at home. Lesbians. Because my kids have threatened to come in and cut it off. The women who like mustaches hate men. They want you to look like a dork. They're like, go ahead, wear that, stupid. That's what happened with mine. Becky snuck up while I was sleeping Put the clippers right under my nose

Because I'm a light sleeper And then Turn it on Clip my mustache Just like that All you have to do is just Cut it off on the sides And give you a Hitler

Oh yeah You're done That's good You're done Yeah The girls keep on complaining That it makes me look old I say I am old

I'm 68 You know So I feel young It's the style right It's the style thing Absolutely You don't like the style i like the porn stash

i like that yeah but even porn stars don't wear them anymore it's like an 80s porn stash i'm stuck in the 80s it's retro yeah it's so great one guy was a famous guy who wore the porn stash who went into real estate harry god damn it. I'm trying to remember his name. Ron Jeremy? Reams? Harry Reams?

Harry Reams. Yeah, Reams. Yeah, he was like a famous porn star in the 80s, in the heyday, back in the Bush days, not George W. And then he... There he is. Harry Reams. Oh, yeah. And he went on to be very successful.

That's like Mr. Atlas. He's moving out here. Oh, I said be careful zooming out here. Above the waist. Above the waist. I thought you said he's moving out here. I'm like, fucking everybody's moving out here. Jesus Christ.

Famous porn star Harry Reams. There it is. There you go. Jeez, I like that one. Gentlemen, anyway. Yes, sir. We're in Texas. Always great to be here with you.

Yeah, and another mover. You're to be here with you. Yeah and another mover. You're a mover here as well. Yep. Spent last month with his parents looking for a house and I think we've found a nice house to move into in Spring, Texas. What pushed you over the edge? All the bullshit going on in California. The laws, the restrictions, the taxes, 13.3%. The governor, the mayor, the congressmen, the senators. Is that enough? Yeah, that's enough. Okay, good.

I second all that. That's what moved us. But as a doctor, when you look at the lockdowns, this is where it gets really controversial, right? Because people are saying that the whole reason for doing this is to protect people because the emergency rooms are overcrowded and uh you don't think that's a suitable no i i think restrictions of our rights is a key issue there i you know in looking contrasting what has been going on in texas outside of austin but in houston and other places they're reasonable abbott has been going on in Texas outside of Austin, but in Houston and other places, they're reasonable.

Abbott has been very reasonable about certain factors that I love. We're a law-abiding state, okay? We believe in individual rights. California is the opposite. How can you live pleasantly, regardless of what occupation you're in, how can you live there understanding that every movement that you're doing is under surveillance. Cops are coming to your house during Thanksgiving.

Is that happening now? I know there's something happening in Canada. It was a really disturbing thing. Did you see about that? I did see in Canada. They came in like full fucking Gestapo mode. Just a family. Yeah.

They had five people in the house or something like that and people ratted them out. As soon as you make something a law, and then you send cops out to enforce that, and the cops think they're justified, and you get a few dumb cops, and then they do something like this, it just lets everybody know, like,

oh, this is why it's dangerous to have too many restrictions. Because then you have people that have to enforce those restrictions. Right. And they're not doing their job. I mean, the sheriff and the head of police in California or in Los Angeles came out and said they wouldn't uphold the restrictions that Newsom was putting in, I think, in San Francisco also because it would take them away from Orange County. It would take them away from their ability to do the real work, protecting the citizens, not arresting them.

Yeah, it's... You know, what happened in Staten Island is just mind boggling, with that restaurateur was arrested and given a $10,000 a day fine for having his restaurant open. He was social distancing, he had the shields and protection, everyone was wearing a mask. But because they had locked down Staten Island so tightly, you know, they're devastating all the businesses there. But he went up against it. It just seems to me that the amount of money that it would have cost to open up new ICU rooms and figure out a way to staff them would have been far less than the amount of money that it's costing all these people to lose their businesses, all these people to stop working, it just seems rational. The amount of money.

You could have figured out a way to tax people. Like say, hey, we're going to let everybody open up, but we need a temporary tax on sales of whatever that will just go to help this. And people probably would have said, okay, it will just keep. And give people the opportunity like you have your options you have your rights you can choose to go to work choose to go to these restaurants choose to go to these bars and we'll figure out some way to open up new york city doing something like that i don't know i think i think they were doing some in

restaurants they were adding a small amount of additional tax to compensate for the covid uh well even they did they shut down indoor dining yeah but they at least they have outdoor dining which is hilarious new york has it and it's fucking freezing and snowing la doesn't have it and then the woman who votes it's one woman who decides to shut everything down goes to dinner outside the day she does it and lied and said the reason why she was doing it is because her favorite restaurant and she wanted to say she was sorry to the staff and apologize for what they had to do didn't talk to anybody there full-on lie the people who work they're going she didn't talk to us yeah this is not rules don't count for them yeah it's just i get that people want to stay safe but as a doctor does this make sense to you like what

no and i you know on my list i have a couple of the um uh the articles it doesn't make sense when you look at california in the repetitive manner in which they put a lockdown we should see if it's effective. The numbers of cases dropping, but they're not. They're going up. So what does it tell us? It tells us that the masks aren't working. The six feet of separation is not working.

There's some other element that's out there that's creating, you know, negating all the protective modalities that they're doing. So why lockdown, you know, the state? Allow people to have their their employment but aren't check me if i'm wrong but is haven't cases gone down over the last two weeks since everything's been completely locked up no they've been one day they went up i know and i saw that yesterday spike newsom said there's going to be a surge on top of a surge. They're waiting for it. And they're talking about... How does Foxy know? I don't know. Because he's a doctor. He's the grand poobah.

That's it. Are they using the PCR test to validate that? That's a huge question. They're using the PCR test and they're using the rapid one. But, you know, they're not as... They're not accurate. They're not accurate. They're just something we have now to utilize and then put a

lot of credibility on it um the difference between the different pcr testing is that so there's a spike around christmas time which is supposedly due to what is the idea that it's due to gatherings is it so because they were trying to say that it was related to Thanksgiving. So between October, November, end of November. But if you look at it, it seems like two weeks after the end of November. That would make sense, right? That would be right around. Show me like, yeah, well, that's longer than two weeks, right? Because it seems like it kicked in.

The spikes kicked in right around. Well, what is the first big spike right right there what is that the 16th well that's kind of two weeks that's two weeks ish i would want to know what cycles are testing on if there's any changes at the pcr test i believe this is hospitalization so right or is this new cases new cases yeah It's not good. But, you know, someone pointed out that the CDC website has finally got information on it about vitamin D and some other things. They just put it on there, just in December. It was like, Jesus, guys, nine months into a fucking pandemic, and you just started putting things on about vitamins and the importance of nutrition? Right. And that's one of the issues that they're really missing is nutritional.

I think I was sharing with you earlier about in India, which has four times the amount of population as the United States, they've only recorded 167. I have a slide up there, 167,000 people. And it's because in their nutrition, they have things that carry the protective zinc into the cell, which are called inophores, which is hydrochloroquine is one of them, quercetin, EGCG, which is the green extract from green tea extract, quercetin, as I said, and bismuth. We need to have a carrier to bring charged particles into our cells like zinc, magnesium,

and so forth. So zinc, Dr. Saluth out of Johns Hopkins did a beautiful dissertation where he showed that when zinc is inside the cell and you get the COVID genome being injected, there's a protein which is replicase. Well, zinc inhibits the replicase's ability to take over our cell's mechanism for generating more viral genome particles. So zinc is what stops it. I mean, for the past 25 years in our practice, we use zinc as a means of slowing down the conversion of testosterone to estradiol. Well, it turns out that that has protected our patient population with our population being what it is. We've only had one person get COVID out of the entire group, and that's because they've all been on quercetin, which is a means of increasing energy production.

And I'll tell you honestly, I didn't know that it was an inofor until just a year ago, but it carried the zinc that they were taking. The reason they're taking quercetin is because it upregulates ATP, the energy molecule of the body.. The reason they were taking quercetin is because it upregulates ATP, the energy molecule of the body. Didn't you also say that quercetin has some sort of a nootropic effect as well? Yeah. In the brain, it drops inflammation. The way that we lose our cognitive ability is by inflammation,

and that's the whole premise of what Andrew and I are doing relative to treating our veterans as well as civilians, of what Andrew and I are doing relative to treating our veterans as well as civilians, is quercetin as well as zinc itself has the ability to drop inflammation in the brain. You drop inflammation and you get improvement in cognitive ability. The communication opens up. So what is it in the food in India? What specific part of their diet? Turmeric.

Turmeric. Curcumin. It's an incredible inofor. And that's the reason why they're protected. And where's their zinc coming from if they're not taking capsules of zinc? Well, legumes, red meat, which they don't eat, seafood, which they eat a lot of, and also nuts. They're very high in natural zinc. So for them, they're getting it from the legumes and from the seafood. Correct. Interesting. And then they're getting the turmeric or the curcumin. Does no one in India eat meat?

Red meat? Or is it rare? No, they eat the orthodox Hindu don't eat it. But they drink green tea, which is another inofor that brings it in. Maybe there's in certain nutrients there's bismuth, so that helps. Or Pepto-Bismol if they've got an upset stomach. And doesn't vitamin K also, is it vitamin K that helps the absorption of vitamin D3? Is that what it is? The use of vitamin K, the story behind it is, if you take vitamin D, the main function that we've thought about vitamin D,

though right now it's this unbelievable hormone. As you know, vitamin D is not really a vitamin. It's a hormone that comes off of cholesterol. So if we do anything to diminish our cholesterol levels in our body, we lose not only all the hormones that are generated off of cholesterol, but we lose vitamin D. Does that happen when people take statins? Correct. Correct. Because there's a health repercussion for taking statins for some people, right? Correct. And vitamin D counters it. I've got an article up there which talks about it. But vitamin D draws from the gut calcium from

your nutrition, calcium and phosphate. So calcium, they're afraid that too much calcium will cause atherosclerosis because hardening of the arteries is not cholesterol. Hardening of the arteries is calcium deposited on the walls of the arteries to fix damage to the walls. So vitamin K, K2, K7 are to remove the calcium from the wall. So the calcium is on the walls to fix damage to the walls that's caused by? So the calcium is on the walls to fix damage to the walls that's caused by? Inflammation. Our nutrition can cause inflammation.

Cigarettes, smoking, diabetes. There's a whole group of things that lead to what's called intima inflammation. Intima is the lining of the arteries, and they become inflamed and sticky. So our body has, by what they call secondary intent, a means of fixing things. The first thing they throw in there is cholesterol. Why cholesterol? Because cholesterol is what makes up the membrane of all our cells. So the cell is trying to get repaired. And then what happens is the cholesterol becomes a bystander or an innocent participant in this process. Cholesterol can't fix it. So calcium comes in and gets laminated down on the artery walls. And that's what causes atherosclerosis.

It's so funny because in today's world, the word cholesterol is like a red flag for something bad in your diet. Correct. But it's also something the body makes on its own. Correct. So your body makes cholesterol, then you have dietary cholesterol. 15%. And there's some cholesterol that you can get from plant-based foods, right? Correct. And there's some cholesterol that you can get from plant-based foods, right? So if someone is only eating vegetables, what's the best source of cholesterol for them when it comes to dietary cholesterol?

That would be my daughter, Allison, to answer that question because I turn to her. But, yeah, there's cholesterols. Get her on the phone. She's here. I know. She's not on the microphone, though. Unfortunately, I have three mics in this room right now. But anyway, she would be the one.

She's the one that does the nutrition and support for our patients and gut-brain health. And so what I'm getting at is, like, it's not just that you take a vitamin, like D3 or zinc. You really want to take a whole— You want it like an ecosystem. Correct. You want it like an ecosystem. Correct. You want it all to work together. It's like in a lot of the guys that come in on testosterone alone, they're having problems even being on testosterone, whether or not it's a high dose or low dose or medium dose,

they're not having the full benefits of having a balanced hormonal system. And we should talk about why they're taking it. The damage to the pituitary gland that a lot of soldiers experience from blasts. Well, the regulatory system, the hypothalamus, is like a sensor. And it says, okay, what's in the blood right now? It says low level of testosterone sends a signal to the pituitary, the master gland, to release LH or luteinizing hormone that goes to the gonads, whether or not it's male or female, to generate more testosterone. And then that level of testosterone, the rise of

testosterone in the blood, goes back to the hypothalamus. And the hypothalamus says, oh, we got enough testosterone. Let's shut down the stimulation of the pituitary, drop the stimulation of the testicles. So any kind of trauma, like we've had guys who had IED blow up underneath their vehicle, and the blast wave was enough to destroy the testicles, so they could not, even under appropriate stimulation, generate testosterone. So that's called primary hypogonadism, where it damages the testicles and the high levels of luteinizing hormone, because it's trying to get the testicles or the gonads to make hormones. And it doesn't. Those are the ones that you need to give injectable testosterone to, or topical, or pellets, or whatever they agree to. So when it comes to the balance of nutrition, making sure that all these

things work together, that can be very complicated for people sure like it's hard to remember it's hard is there what's the best way to make sure that you're getting all your bases covered well it used to be that you eat a good amount of uh vegetables fruits um you know legumes included in it but what's's happened is our soils are being depleted of all the nutrients that you need. So you need to supplement. So staying away from glutens, all the artificial glutens, inflammatory diets. We mean the artificial glutens. I didn't mean artificial glutens. It's the GMOs. Thank you. diets we mean by artificial gluten uh i didn't mean artificial glutens it's um gmos the gmos

thank you the gmos staying away from the genetically modified um plant material um we you know this is higher yield it's more difficult for the body to break down correct what causes as well as you know the glutens um there are we're finding more people with gluten sensitivity than allergic you know celiac disease we're finding more people with gluten sensitivity than allergic, you know, celiac disease. We're finding more people that are sensitive. Allison is one. She doesn't have the genome for being gluten resistant or sensitive or allergic. She has sensitivity.

And when she's off it, she loses weight. She feels better, doesn't have the inflammation going into the brain, which is a key issue. If you have an inflammatory diet, it's going to lead to changes in the brain and brain function. But back to your question relative to nutrition, it's all the basic food groups would drop in the carbohydrates. I know you enjoy the carnivore diet with the high protein intake. I'm on that now. It's crazy how quickly it changes the way your body works. Yeah.

Like I'm five days in now, is today the fifth? Yeah. Five days. So five days in, energy levels through the roof. Yep. Like that's what happens every time. And I slim up. Like I've already lost like four and a half, five pounds.

Yeah, it's because you're not kicking in insulin. When you're eating meals that have carbohydrates, insulin is called the hormone of storage. So what happens is whatever you eat, a certain percentage of that is stored. For me, though, it's 100% pasta. It's pasta and bread. When I cut that out, I feel great. But I'm just such a slob. When I want to eat it, when I eat it, I get fat. Like my stomach blows up. My face gets fat. And I get great. But I'm just such a slob. When I want to eat it, when I eat it, I get fat.

Like my stomach blows up. My face gets fat. And I get tired. But I still eat it because I'm a moron. We're human. You get the spike of insulin, which drops your level of, sorry, if I blacked you. No worries. I'll use this arm.

You know, the spike in insulin causes a drop in sugar, in glucose. And the brain's very sensitive to loss of glucose. And it could cause fatigue, cognitive impairment. It can actually cause some tremors and some dryness of the mouth. But it doesn't seem to happen the same way with fruit. If I'm eating fruit, I don't get that. Yeah. Fructose has to go through a process of being converted to glucose.

So it's delayed. So when you take things like, what's my favorite? I used to eat a donut, you know, which is full of all that shit. That's a tranquilizer dart. Correct. Two hours after eating it, I'm in bed for half an hour. Yeah. Because I have hypoglycemic anyway.

That's why I have to be very careful with what I eat. Yeah. Well, I'm generally very careful with what I eat. Yeah. Well, I'm generally very healthy with what I eat, but occasionally I go off the reservation. And one time I had a cheeseburger with a giant milkshake. And after I ate it, I literally felt like I got poisoned. I had a light on the couch. I had a headache. I couldn't take any noise. I was like, oh. What about- It took hours. I had a headache. I couldn't take any noise.

I was like, oh. It took hours before I felt normal again. It's so funny. You don't feel good afterwards, but you want it until the point you have it. Why did I do that? It was majestic. Yeah. It was so good.

What about Gus's fried chicken? Gus's fried chicken's fantastic. Yeah. Is that bad or is that good? I don't give a fuck. I'm in. Whatever it is, it's good. good well breaded with hot sauce on it yeah it's not like a thick breading whatever it is but it's there's definitely some gluten in there

yeah something i don't know cornstarch i don't know what they put on the outside but it's that good i was told i had to go there it's weird because it's a chain but it doesn't seem like it's a chain i've never heard of it before they're sneaky yeah yeah if you go uh it's like down if you go straight out of the four seasons if you go straight and then it's to the right fantastic to try it some damn good fried chicken you recommend it yeah i recommend it but if you get get it get some hot sauce squirt some hot sauce on that bad boy okay yeah it's legit but you know i mean it's is that available in the carnivore diet sort of i mean there's some bread in there it's not ideal but a small amount yeah yeah i mean i think the whole idea is just

like to make sure that the majority of your diet is healthy you know if you have occasional fuck ups that's fine right but for people again to like like during these times, vitamin D is a big one. We've discussed it many times. Dr. Rhonda Patrick has put out many published, or put on her Twitter, rather, many published studies about vitamin D and all the benefits of it. But you don't want to just take that. You don't want to just take C. You want to kind of cover everything. Right. If you're looking at viral protection, because there's a study that was done where it

showed if you were at the less than 30, less than 30 nanograms is the deficiency state. You looked at the occurrence of COVID and the death or the illness that's generated or that occurs. It's like 85% of the people who have low, less than 30, have it. And as you move up the scale to the higher level, greater than 60, you see 90% of the people have nothing. They have no symptomatology for it because what it does is it protects the body, stimulates the immune system and protects the body from the inflammatory cytokines, which is the inflammatory chemistry that COVID turns our cells, our immune system to produce. And it's these cytokines that get into the brain that are now causing all the psychiatric problems we're seeing in New York. Well, they had that before that, But psychiatric problems relative to post-COVID

recovery. So people are developing depression, cognitive impairment, intonation, no energy. And it's all because of these cytokines. Once you turn on the cytokines, like we see in our blast trauma veterans, it'll cause these inflammatory chemicals to start leaching or eating away at pathways in the brain, alters the chemistry of the brain. See, that's so confusing to people because a lot of times you hear about cytokines, you hear about like cryotherapy and things along those lines, and you hear cytokines used in a positive way. Yes. There is an acute phase where it helps protect you from invading viruses, bacteria, and then there's a chronic phase where there's an overwhelming production of these cytokines. And it appears that with

coronavirus or COVID-19, that it causes this spike in the immune system's production of these cytokines. So it creates an overwhelming amount of inflammation that the body can't recover from. That's one of the things that they put Donald Trump on. They put him on a steroid to deal with the immune response. Correct. So that steroid suppressed his immune system's response to the virus. Same thing that we use steroids for autoimmune diseases. Before we had these selective medications that selectively diminish certain of the cytokines,

like tumor necrosis factor alpha. There's a product called Embril that specifically suppresses it. And we use it for people with psoriatic arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, and Crohn's disease. And it's interesting that the people with autoimmune diseases who are producing these cytokines that create the physical manifestations, they all have depression. And when you treat them for the inflammation, the depression subsides. So you think that a big part of what depression is, is the inflammatory response in the body. Correct. And that's what we're seeing in our project with our veterans and with the civilians. But that would also make sense how so many people on the carnivore diet show that their depression goes away. So because you're just eating meat, you're not eating a lot of bread and pasta, you're

not getting the inflammation. So if you're not getting the inflammation, the depression that they're feeling is directly caused by inflammation. Or like I said about me eating the cheeseburger and the milkshake. You felt horrible. That was depressing. Yeah. If I ate like that every day, I'd probably be depressed.

And that is probably what a lot of people are experiencing from poor diet. Andrew went on a couple of rotating kind of diets. How did it affect you in terms of your psychological outlook? What works for me is carnivore or keto, getting away from the anything processed, refined carbohydrates. For whatever reason, I am more cognitively clear when those things aren't introduced in my system. And so I just stay away from a majority. I eat vegetables and meat, basically. And I do great on it.

This is common. Does it vary, though, depending upon someone's activity level? Yes. For someone who's like a CrossFitter or someone who does crazy high intensity, burns a lot of calories, do you think then they could handle shit like pasta easier? I don't know about pastas. There's a whole bunch of other forms of nutritionally sane carbohydrates to take in. Like fruits. Like fruits.

Yeah. Okay. Balance of fruits. And that's one of the things I see with the ketogenic diet. Guys come in, they get on our protocol, and when they're on a balanced hormonal protocol, their metabolism goes up because their system's humming. It's purring. Instead of being depleted in one of the hormones that helps with metabolism, it's now brought up, and they need to eat more. So a lot of guys, or I shouldn't say a lot, there are people who complain that they're fatigued. They thought they'd get more energy,

but they're more fatigued. It's because their nutrition is poor. And that's where Allison comes in and helps them to readjust and address their nutrition. I wonder if, I mean, and this is not talking about people that have had traumatic brain injury, but I wonder if people that are suffering from depression, have they ever done a study on changing their diet and eliminating inflammatory foods like sugars and pasta and processed carbohydrates and see what kind of an impact that has on before they give them SSRIs? Yeah. I don't know if before SSRIs, I'd hope to say, you know, I'd like to say yes, but there have been studies and, you know, you go to Google Scholar and look it up, yes but there have been studies and you know you go to google scholar and look it up but they have looked at um the different diets and how it affects their emotional state so depression anxiety add

or adhd that we find that um high inflammatory uh nutrition makes it worse high inflammatory or gut inflammation from dysbiosis, not having the right bacteria, having been on antibiotics or certain medication that disrupts the balance of bacteria in the gut, which alters the way that we absorb our food. And it also generates inflammation, creates depression. So if you're going to put someone on sort of a preventative protocol for COVID, you would recommend quercetin. And you can get it. I just bought some on Amazon after you brought it up because I wasn't taking quercetin. Quercetin at what dose? Well, what we started off just for,

you know, for daily use, because the benefit of quercetin is it drops the inflammatory cytokines. It increases mitochondria, so you produce more cells, so you produce more energy, ATP. That was what we were using for, and it was 500 milligrams twice a day. And zinc was 15 to 30 milligrams twice a day. And in the past 20 years, I've been sick 13 days. And what I started seeing in our population, because we do a monthly questionnaire to our patient population, and we have two questions about allergies and about infections or colds. And we started seeing years ago that the number of colds people were having were dropping and their allergies were improving. And honestly, I didn't understand why until COVID, and I started

looking at how the immune system is influenced by things like zinc and certain of testosterone. Testosterone stimulates the CD4, CD8 cells, which are the immune cells that help to defend us against infections, viral bacterial, innate immunity, as well as it increases something called interleukin-10, which is an anti-inflammatory product, and it drops the inflammatory interleukins. These are the cytokines produced by our immune system to help fight off infections by sending out an attack against them, which is a biochemical attack, other than just

antibodies. So you've got zinc, 15 to 30 milligrams twice a day, quercetin. 500 milligrams twice a day, that's preventive. Treatment, and we've had to treat patients outside of our practice, is a thousand milligrams twice a day with 30 milligrams, a thousand milligrams twice a day of quercetin, and 30 milligrams twice a day of zinc. And this is for someone that has COVID. That's someone who's active. And what's going on with zinc and quercetin and COVID? How does it interact?

Yeah. Well, the virus that gets into our cells, it gets into our cells through something called an ACE2 receptor, and that's what the vaccine is fighting against. They call it the spike protein. So on the outer membrane of the virus are these spikes. So it uses our own system to transport the virus into the cell. Once it's in the cell, the virus releases something called replicase. Replicase is a DNA reverse transcriptase protein that takes over our manufacturing at the ribosome to make more viral genome. Well, it turns out that the replicase has an area on it that if zinc attaches to it, shuts it off. So quercetin is called an

inofor. It carries charged particles into the cell otherwise zinc sits outside the cell so zinc without a xynafor that has that i say ino4 ino4 i'll yeah zinc without an ino4 it just it doesn't work correct interesting so a lot of these people that are just taking zinc on its own it doesn't get in the cell right it doesn't go into the cell yeah generally speaking it won't get into the cell at a high rate. It will over time get in because we have things that we take in like bismuth in our system from fruits and vegetables. We have EGCG from green tea if people are drinking green tea. We've got curcumin from food. That's why in India they don't get it. So they're getting some form of an inofor, but if you want to really jam the zinc

into the cells, use a quercetin or turmeric. And then move on to D3. I'm taking 5,000 IUs a day. What do you recommend? I personally take a little bit more than that. How much do you take? 50,000. Jesus Christ. Mondays and 10 or 20,000 on every other day. That's a lot. Why? I don't know. Yeah, that's right. Most people say, I don't know. Is there any negative aspect to it? Yeah, there are negative aspects to high levels of vitamin D, but not due to vitamin D, due to what it does. What vitamin D does, as I said

earlier, is it brings calcium in from your nutrition and takes phosphorus in so it can build bone. Calcium, if it's too high, hyperkalemia will cause the nausea, vomiting, and can cause irregularity of the heart. So if you're taking high dosing of calcium for whatever reason, and you take high dosing of vitamin D, you would be at risk for developing nausea, vomiting, and toxicity. A study that was done, which is also on the paper I gave you, they did 113,000 hospitalized people, and they looked at their vitamin D levels. They all had been taking vitamin D. They only found, I think it was four people who had toxicity from elevated levels of vitamin D level. They all had been taking vitamin D. They only found, I think it was four people who had toxicity from elevated levels of vitamin D. And it turned out it was the liquid form of vitamin D that created the problem. So from that standpoint, vitamin D is very safe. And I'm

talking up numbers that are 60 to 100. I try to keep my range at 80 to 100 because of studies that have shown- Do you take calcium? No. You don't? Why not? I have it in my nutrition and I monitor my calcium every six months in my blood work. So if my levels are where they should be, I'm fine. Okay. So what do you look for in nutrition to get your calcium from? What are you getting it from? You know, I eat cheese. My daughter pulled me off of cow's milk and tried me on goat cheese. Goat cheese.

She gives me all that stuff. So my cheese, I get it. And then, you know, there are foods that I eat. I chew on bones, so I get a little calcium that way. You chew on bones. No, I'm just kidding. Because I take bone meal. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Allison makes bone broth. Yeah, she makes bone broth at home. So it has good bone marrow, you know, protein and some calcium. I don't know how much calcium you get from it. But I monitor. I'm getting it someplace in my nutrition.

So for someone who has osteoporosis, let's look to them. They're recommended to take calcium, right? Correct. Now, they're taking calcium and they have vitamin D3. Correct. Then they must be careful about what the levels of vitamin D3 they take. Correct. What do you recommend to someone who's taking calcium?

Like what levels? See, I use the science. I use the laboratory to tell me how much. You know, I get ridiculed by my colleagues because I'm giving everybody a baseline of 10,000 units. And they say, oh, that's toxic. It's going to cause problems. You go and do the blood test and you see giving them 10,000, they get a, you know, still suboptimal

level of vitamin D. It's because they're not absorbing it. So I can't assume that 10,000 is going to give them toxic levels, you know, calcium absorption. So I start at five to ten thousand ten thousand seems to be the amount and then their calcium they get they have a prescribed product which has calcium and vitamin d in a balanced uh combination already so um who makes that i don't remember which pharmaceutical i don't't use it. What was the issue with the liquid vitamin D?

Yeah, the only thing is with liquid vitamin D. Yeah, but why, do you think? Because of the absorption rate, because it gets absorbed so well. Capsule encapsulated, you know, it's fat soluble. You take it after a meal, it gets absorbed. And based upon how good the gut is, you know, dysbiosis, it will regulate how you absorb it. So I don't assume anything. I'll put a patient

on a protocol, and then three months later, I'll go and test them and see where their levels are at. If they're at a great level on that amount, that's perfect for them. How do I know that whatever I'm giving them is going to be too much, too little, or perfect? And then the level of absorption, which will indicate in their blood, will indicate what levels are shown in the blood, is directly related to their diet as well? Correct. And the other nutrients they're taking? It's related to the status of their gut, the lining of their gut. It's relative to if they took it before food or during food, with food. It's a fat-soluble, fat-soluble vitamins like vitamin E, vitamin D, or hormone D, or DHEA.

They all need food to optimize the absorption. Okay, so we got D3, which you take at very high levels. But what do you recommend, 10,000? You need to have a blood test. Before we put anybody on vitamin D, we don't just abstractly put them on a number. We check their levels. And I've been absolutely amazed at not only the frequency of deficiency of vitamin D, but the fact that I've got surfers who have deficiency of vitamin D. How can you be a surfer out there in the sun and be vitamin D deficient?

Wetsuits, right? Well, they wear maybe the top, but their arms and legs below the belly is exposed. Are they really? I'd see a lot of guys with full wetsuits out there because that fucking Pacific Ocean is cold as shit. It's cold. It's cold. Yeah. But when they get out, they lay down on the beach.

I think human beings need a lot of sun. I think the genetics are changing. Yeah, yeah i think so look at why did we develop this whole system of vitamin d the vitamin d receptor stimulates hair growth to cover our body with hair to avoid the ionizing radiation that our ancestors neolithic ancestors used to have they were getting cancer they were getting exposed to high levels of because the air was clear there was no smog back have, they were getting cancer. They were getting exposed to high levels because the air was clear. There was no smog back then. So they were getting full strength of the radiation from the sun and they

were dying. So the body adapted... Are you saying that smog is protecting us from cancer? Is that what you're saying? Relative to sun. Joe just pieced it all together. So in Hong Kong, not Hong Kong, what are the Chinese cities?

Beijing. Beijing. Yeah, Beijing. Really bad pollution. I was there. Yeah. I used to work there. That's right.

They did the Olympics there, and they said it was like the worst air quality they ever had for the Olympics. And the only way they got the air clear there was shutting down all the manufacturing that's in one of the inner circles. See, Beijing grew so rapidly that they have 10 rings around it. And I think in the fourth or fifth ring is where they have all the manufacturing. So when the financial summit happened,

they shut them all down, air was clear. Absolutely clear. And the silliest thing, I was there for New Year's one year in February and they shot off $45 million worth of rockets and fireworks and firecrackers and all that added pollution. You couldn't breathe. And I was on the 27th floor of a building. Couldn't breathe up there.

Really? Yeah. It was pretty bad. Pretty bad. Okay. So D3. Yes. So we got quercetin.

We got zinc. Zinc. 30. So D3. Yes. So we got quercetin. We got zinc. Zinc. 30 milligrams twice a day. Or that's the therapeutic. Therapeutic. 1,000 milligrams twice a day with 30 twice a day of zinc. Then D3. Figure out what the levels are.

But what you're taking is somewhere around. I'm taking, what, about 120,000 a week. If someone doesn't have a good place to go, they don't have a good doctor to go, how do they find a doctor that could read their vitamin levels on their blood work? What do you look for? If someone's listening to this, like, I should get my blood work done, who do they go to? Right. Well, functional medicine is big now. And

in functional medicine, they're looking at your amino acids. They're looking at your vitamin levels. They're looking at your mineral levels, which need to be done. We're not getting our minerals anymore because we're getting bottled water. How many minerals are in here? Zero. All of them. Yeah. Oh, right. Zero is... Well, that's hard water, right? Like well water. That's what people call it hard water. Run off for the mountains. I know, Well, that's hard water, right? Like well water. That's what people call it. Oh, runoff for the mountains. Hard water. Runoff for the mountains.

I know, but that's what hard water is, right? When you get... That's high in calcium hydroxide or calcium oxide, whatever it is. Calcium... But it's minerals in the water, right? Yeah. And you can buy the minerals and put a couple of drops into the bottle. I take colloidal.

Colloidal. That's it. So you got your D3, you got your quercetin, you got your zinc. What about vitamin C? Vitamin C helps with the immune system. How much do you take? I don't take vitamin C. Really?

No. What do you take? I have two or three pieces of citrus fruit that I grow in my backyard every morning. Every now and then, Allison will bring in some from here. It's called strawberry Texas grapefruits. Phenomenal. Sweet as can be. A strawberry grapefruit?

They call it strawberry because of the color. The usual one is the pink grapefruits from Texas, not the yellow ones from Florida, but the pink ones. And they're very high in vitamin C. Also, I grow kumquats, so I'll eat the whole thing. So they have a lot of natural kumquats, and I get two cycles a year. So I'm always with natural forms. Okay, so you just get it mostly from fruit.

I get it all naturally, yeah. What other, I mean, this is all, we're talking about like during this COVID pandemic where everybody's really concerned about their immune system and protecting themselves from... Yeah, DHEA is also an immune stimulator. DHEA, you know, studies that came out of Massachusetts, a male aging study, showed that DHEA is extremely important for protecting the heart.

When they looked at, you know, quartiles, the lowest 25% of the range versus the highest, you saw a significant loss of heart attack deaths and a significant decrease in hospitalizations due to heart attack, and that's DHEA. It also stimulates the immune system, so it upregulates the ability of our system to defend itself. So it's a higher quality of defense. And another issue with vitamin D, I mean with DHEA, is DHEA is important for allowing DHT, dihydrotestosterone, into the

cell. And why is that important? DHT is a byproduct of testosterone because it's the combination of DHEA getting DHT, dihydrotestosterone, the cell that allows for sugar to be brought into the myocytes, into the muscle cells. So there are articles out there talking about if you want to get the optimal benefit for muscle growth, you need to make sure your DHEA levels are optimal to get the DHT to increase glycogen in the muscle cells

so you use that for energy and for growth. That's interesting because DHT is also something that's usually frowned upon because people consider it the thing that causes hair loss. Correct. And they obviate the fact that, or they ignore the fact that, it's four times more anabolic than testosterone. DHT is. And you don't have to have the levels of DHT to induce hair loss.

You can have just in the 50th percentile of the range well i was taking uh propitia for a while and i didn't realize how much it was fucking me up until i my prescription ran out like i was just accustomed to it and then all of a sudden uh i had way more energy and right and boys. Right. And I was like, what is going on here? And then I realized, oh, my God, I'm poisoning myself. Yep. Yeah. Yes. But other people don't have that reaction, apparently.

Some people don't have a problem with it. Yeah. It's interesting you bring that up. The Post-Finasteride Foundation or Post-Finasteride Syndrome Foundation're in the top of providers of care because the problem that happens from finasteride is that it inhibits two very important pathways in the brain, one that gives you the ability to grow muscles, the other one which is emotional. So traditionally, the approach for treating the side effects has been just improving DHT because the Propecia, what's the other name? It's all finasteride.

Proscar. Proscar. It's finasteride is the chemical. Finasteride blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. And as I just said, DHT is four times more anabolic than testosterone. Do people take DHT as a supplement? You take testosterone or you take DHEA, which will generate testosterone to generate DHT. Oh, okay.

Okay? So DHT in our brain is what gives us our energy, our libido, our activity level, our cognition to some degree. And then another pathway, which has totally been ignored, is the one where the 5-alpha reductase, which is the enzyme that the propesia of finasteride kills, is important for generating something called allopregnanolone from pregnenolone. Allopregnanolone just came out as a drug last year, or excuse me, two years ago, for $34,000 a year called brexanolone is the chemical name for it. And brexanolone is being used for antidepressant, anti-anxiety, and postpartum depression, which tells us how important pregnenolone is to become progesterone, to become this thing called allopregnanolone,

and giving you mental stability. So what happens is inflammation that we see in our head trauma cases, it disrupts that pregnenolone, which is also called the mother of all hormones because it gives rise to all our hormones. So you should supplement with that as well. Supplement with pregnenolone. How much pregnenolone? We use 100 milligrams after dinner now because it's fat soluble.

So once a day, 100 milligrams? Correct. And how much DHEA? DHEA, we start at 25 and we take DHEA at nighttime, not in the morning like a lot are saying. The reason for taking it at night, it has a side effect of upregulating growth hormone production by up to 15%. So if you take it based upon the biological clock in the body, you can get benefits in other areas, not just DHEA. But DHEA also helps stabilize glucose and insulin interaction, stimulates the immune system, wound healing, and drops inflammation. and insulin interaction, stimulates the immune system, wound healing, and drops inflammation. That's below the neck. Above the neck, it increases growth hormone. You get a cold. You feel smarter or less smart? Dumb.

Yeah. And that's because interleukin-6, which is an inflammatory cytokine that's produced, DHEA helps to keep it quiet, slow it down. So the immune system response pandemic stack. Correct. We've got it dialed in now. This is what it is. So you need pregnenolone, you want some DHEA, you want some quercetin, you want some zinc, and vitamin D3.

That's it, those five. Put those all together and get your C from fruits, you think? Naturally, if you can. If you're sick, though, should you up your C? Would that help? Yeah, you know, there are a lot of products out there that are used for when you get sick, you know, as a means of, it helps stimulate the immune system. It also, I believe that because it's acidic, alkaline acidic, when it gets into the system, it helps to kill the virus, okay, by changing the pH. But you have to take a large quantity of it.

You know, they have for cancer therapy 20,000, 50,000 units of vitamin C. And it's usually IV, right? And it's IV, correct. You can't absorb more than about 10,000 units from the gut, not unless it's nanoliposomal, because the vitamin C is actively transported, meaning that it has a mechanism to transport it into the system. Now, what about things like glutathione and other powerful antioxidants? Yeah, glutathione is really good for the brain. A vitamin C, one specific type of vitamin C, which is called ascorbate palmitate from palmitic acid, it's a fatty acid, it helps the vitamin C get into the system faster.

It's great for stimulating under the skin, fibrinogen and collagen. But in the brain, it regenerates glutathione. It increases an enzyme. But glutathione is probably one of the key anti-inflammatory products in our brain to help protect it. But the problem is it doesn't last very long. It gets consumed rapidly. So you need to keep on regenerating. And you regenerate it with ascorbate palmitate, vitamin C of the palmitates type, 500 milligrams twice a day.

So do you take that vitamin C? I take that vitamin C. But you just said you didn't take vitamin C. So do you take that vitamin C? I take that vitamin C. But you just said you didn't take vitamin C. This one I take. But you got to be specific, bro. I'm being specific. You're talking about ascorbate regimen. I know, but you're saying vitamin C.

Vitamin C, yes. Okay. Ascorbate palmitate. Okay, but that is vitamin C. It's a vitamin C. It's a fat soluble vitamin C. Do you understand how that would be a little confusing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Got it. Slap my hand. So ascorbate palmitate. Ascorbate acid you don't take. No, the cheap one I don't take. Quartersoluble doesn't get in. So ascorbate palmitate, what is the distinction on the label for that type of vitamin C? It says ascorbate palmitate.

The reason why I blanked out on it is because it's in my multivitamin. Okay. Okay. It's included in my multivitamin. And what multivitamin do you take? I use a product for the past 27 years called Ultra Nutrient. And who makes that? That's made by Pure Encapsulations.

Okay. They make good stuff, right? Oh, that's the key of what I've used over the past 30 years. Okay. So other than that, your bases are covered. Correct. And you do anything else to stimulate your immune system? Exercise.

Drink a lot of alcohol. You're out there digging holes and shit. Yeah, yeah. I almost brought you the video of it. I'm putting in a grapefruit, this strawberry grapefruit. You texted me a video of you digging holes in your backyard. I was like, what is Mark doing? Yeah, you said, what's your foot?

You thought that I was going to stab my foot. The way you were doing it was very haphazard. No, it's the parallax. It's the parallax. It looked like I was going after my foot. Oh, I understand. Yeah. I understand.

So, yeah, that I put in a lemon tree. I put a lemon tree there, Eureka lemon. So up on the hill, I've started the process for this grapefruit tree. So we got our stack for immune system. So let's talk about your project. Let's talk about the Warrior Angel Foundation, and let's talk about this new documentary that's out now, Quiet Explosions.

This is... Well, that's Andrew. Well, this is how, you know, I met Andrew. You brought him in here, and we got a chance to discuss this incredible work that you guys are doing with veterans and really giving people hope that have been suffering from TBIs, traumatic brain injuries. And when there's no real clear treatment, you guys really found a

great path. Yeah. Well, I'll walk up until his brilliance and with his brother, Adam, writing this book, Tales from the Blast Factory. when Andrew, you know, first arrived at the doorstep, you can tell that he was, I use the term broken. And within a very short period of time, he was off his medication, and he was back functioning. In fact, three months after we started his protocol, we were in San Diego, I was doing the launch of my new book, TBI book. And he's walking down the hall coming to the class totally different. His stride. He was proud.

He was full of energy. We've talked about this recovery on the last podcast. And people, if you want to go to Spotify, you can get that. What episode is that, Jamie? 700? 700. I think the most recent one was 1056. Okay.

So we jumped in. It's good to remember it. Look at that. Boom. Good memory. Damn. So anyway, long story short, you know, he and his brother write this book, A Tale from the Blast Factory, and the editor hands it to a girlfriend of hers,

Jerry Shearer, this incredible producer, director, writer, screenwriter, and develops this project, which is called Quiet Explosions. And it looks across the spectrum of not only military, but professional football players, gymnasts, and regular folks. And the impact of the science that we've been able to extract from the science that already exists and its application and proving that addressing these inflammatory cytokines and the loss of hormone production in the brain

was capable of improving their quality of life. They were able to get off medications. Now for people that obviously there's varying levels of the damage that soldiers experience. With some of them, do you not prescribe an injectable testosterone or do you do something like Clomid or something? Right. Great question. What was it? In 2014, we did our three-year veteran study, and that was because the military had put a squash on dispensing testosterone to veterans. Why did they do that? Because they thought it was creating agitation, aggression, too much aggression,

and they didn't want to have that. It's hilarious that the military would want to slow down aggression. Isn't that true? Wasn't that the reason why they put a squash on it? Yeah. Right. It's an aggressive... Slow the bullets down too. Let's dull those knives, kids.

Yeah. So we started looking at things that I'd used in the past. Mostly guys would come to me for rekindling their hormone production because they were on an incredible amount of steroidal hormones that shut their system down. So they came to me to get their system back up and running. What steroidal hormones would shut your system down? 1,000 milligrams of testosterone

with 500 milligrams of nangelone decoanate with... Oh, steroids. Steroids. Bodybuilding steroids. Bodybuilding steroids. I thought you were talking about like cortisone. No, no, no. Bodybuilding steroids. I thought you were talking about like cortisone. No, no, this is bodybuilding steroids. Okay. Yeah. So these are guys that just wrecked their system.

They wrecked their system. And someone that I had worked with in my inception of treating them, which I was totally against use of anabolic steroids, because if you ate well, exercised, and you should be able to make your own hormones, and I learned different, certain people that just didn't. So we started using beta HCG, using things like Clomid to try and turn their system back on. So I was exposed to it. And then 2014, we started a project trying to find the lowest possible dose of clomiphene citrate that would stimulate their own production of luteinizing hormone to stimulate their testicular functioning of testosterone. And we found a pattern that seemed to work best. And the beauty of it was it wasn't a daily tablet. If you look at the studies in women who were on daily tablets, they had,

you know, complaints of mood swings and bloating and some ocular kind of problems. But that was daily dosing of between 50 to 200 milligrams of Clomid. We use 25, 50 milligrams every 72 hours. That's what we were able to define, that that was the dosing that worked very well to get optimal levels of testosterone. Why does it need to be spaced out for 72 hours? Because the half-life of clomiphene is 98 days, and the actual stimulation of the testicles is like 32 days. So even though you didn't take the pill for 72 hours, you still had the momentum of producing. You said days. You meant hours, 92 hours?

No, 92 days. Yeah, it's 7 times 14, okay? 98 days. 7 times 14. It's a 14-day half-life times 7 until it goes the peak and then becomes zero. That's the math behind it. So when you're taking it constantly, you're overwhelming your system? Is that what's happening?

Well, what happens is you're constantly driving the pituitary to make luteinizing hormone, which could put you at risk for developing enlargement of the cells, which we haven't seen yet, okay, because we space it every 72 hours. You don't mean science in general. You just mean you in the practice. In the base, right. Well, it took three years to come up with this pattern, and we have tons of laboratory results to show the benefit by pulsing it. We did every day for five days a week.

We did every other day. We did Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. And then we came to this every third day, 72 hours between it. And the results were optimal. Now, what do you do for bodybuilders? Because bodybuilders, they take clomiphene citrate to try to kick their production back up of testosterone. Would that be a different situation?

Well, what we believe, what I believe and how I practice is if they're on anabolic steroids and you give them clomid concurrently, not at the end, you give it concurrently, what it does is it keeps the tone of the circuit between the hypothalamus pituitary and the gonads still working. When you give testosterone alone, what happens is you shut off the brain's sensing and you shut down the pituitary and you shut down the testicles because the testicles, the cells called latic cells, they need to be stimulated. Otherwise, they scar or atrophy.

So if you've been on injectable testosterone for long periods of time without taking a break or giving your system something to stimulate the production, what will happen is they'll be gone, and you can't recover it. And I've seen, seen you know i've had some guys in the past that there was nothing we can do to recover their testicular functioning the cells because they burnt out and is this from bodybuilding or is this from injectable testosterone like tnt yeah anyone who's taking testosterone even pellets pellets like they wouldnets. Oh, pellets, like when they put in your butt or something? Correct. Not in your butt hole, you fucking idiots. No. They put it wherever they put it. But also topical testosterone, that's because dihydrotestosterone, I said it was four times more anabolic than testosterone, is three times stronger at shutting down your regulatory mechanism in the brain. at shutting down your regulatory mechanism in the brain.

So that's why I haven't used topical testosterone for 10, 15 years, 10, 12 years, because of it's so damaging. Isn't it also a problem like if you have a partner and you start getting frisky, you might get it on them and then your significant other grows one of them porn stasters? Yeah, that's right. It's because they too will have the secondary effects of testosterone. Our skin has the converting enzyme that converts it to dihydrotestosterone. And that's the reason why women who used to be given topical testosterone to put on their wrist would actually smear it onto their arms and they'd get darkening of their skin. So if they're light skin, light lanugo hair, it would get dark, and they'd get a patch.

Also, DHT can cause them to grow hair behind their knuckles on their hands. Attractive. Absolutely. Just take the razor. A lot of guys like that. Yeah. A lot of guys like to get out with hair knuckles. That's called hair suit, right?

Yeah, not good. Yeah. Okay, so when you started developing this protocol for treating soldiers and different people with TBIs, was there some adjusting? Did you have to kind of figure it out as you went along? I mean, how many studies did you have to read to try to put together this? Yeah, I have over 8,000 studies in my collection on Mendeley, where I keep all the articles. And I go through 10, 15 articles a week right now. And every Sunday, I send out to our journal club one of the key articles that he reads every Sunday, right?

Yeah. How many articles for your last book did you have to read? 1,600 went into the last book. 1, 1600 that I documented, but there were a lot of articles that I read just the abstract and the introduction and conclusion and not the gobbledygook in the middle that were added. But as I said, all the science that we're using has already been written about, has already been documented repetitively. So there were waypoints in my maturation to the point that I'm at right now. In the beginning, it was hormone, hormone, hormone. But it turned out that inflammation is

the real key, is the real problem. The hormones are shut off by the inflammation. So in the past, we were only giving hormones. And yes, we did find that things like estradiol, pregnenolone, DHEA, and DHT dropped inflammation. So it wasn't, you know, right out there obvious that that's what we were doing until Andrew and I got together. And that was a point where natural transition, looking further into this issue of inflammation. And when you're monitoring it, you're looking for these inflammatory markers in the blood? Correct. What are those markers? The ones that we did a study last year on was tumor necrosis factor alpha, interleukin 1, 1B, and tumor necrosis factor, interleukin 1, 1B, and tumor necrosis factor, excuse me, interleukin 6. These are the four key ones. And we've now narrowed down to interleukin 6 and tumor necrosis factor alpha.

And the reason why is that tumor necrosis factor alpha is linked to autoimmune diseases, as I said earlier. And people who are put onto a blocker for tumor necrosis factor alpha, an expensive medication, their depression disappeared. Well, what we found is natural products which will regulate cytokines and regulate these interleukin 1, 6, and tumor necrosis factor alpha. And that has become the core of our treatment right now. We do laboratory testing. We look at their hormone balance.

We look at their inflammatory parameters. And then we put them onto this kit, which is called the TriPak, which has in it 16 components. And a lot of what we've already talked about is in there, and we're seeing improvement in the guys that are on it, guys and gals that are on it, that's more rapid because it addresses the inflammatory component. Yes, we do testosterone. Yes, in the women, estradiol, progesterone, and pregnenolone. And they do get better. But with this product, and we're doing a study right now with three different groups of active military in the United States,

obviously. And in the first month on one group in California, active military, they had a 42% improvement. The only thing we did was we gave them this kit. And in the kit, it drops the inflammation. One of the guys sent in his report. They fill out a report which has 18 questions on it on how they're doing different areas. His migraines improved by 70%. Just from this kit? Yes. And inside the kit is? Inside the kit are three products.

One of them is called Clear Mind and Energy. We launched it in 2017. What's in that? It has components that raise the cellular metabolism. Okay? I'll just say it that way. What does that mean? Why are you just saying it that way? Well, you want to pull out the bottle and read the composition of it.

Well, I have some out there. Yeah. But is there too much in there to relay? Yeah, there's six components in it. I have some out there. Is there too much in there to relay? Yeah, there's six components in it. Read it off or else on the website. It has everything enumerated. How much is of everything that's in there?

I'm not protecting any copyright or anything. I want people to understand these natural products have an incredible benefit on the system. Rhodiola, rosea is in there. Let's see, we've got methyl, cobalamin, vitamin B that's activated, which has an incredible effect. One of the articles that I sent out on vitamin B and antidepressant, how it helps regulate function in the brain.

Then the second product is called Brain Care 2 2 which has six components that drop the inflammation did a study at one of the bases in kentucky with the medics and within 90 days they had a 50 to 70 improvement it has uh products like ncl cy, NAC, which drops inflammation. Federal government at Walter Reed did studies on it and found how incredible it was for dropping inflammation. There it is. There it is. 16 different components. Okay, so you got DHA, what is that? Tocopherol?

Tocopherol is vitamin E. Vitamin E. Gamma tocopherol. There's the scarbait palmitate. Okay, quercetin. Now, when you talk about all these different things, should someone take something like this along with that stack that you described earlier with the quercetin and the zinc and the vitamin D3? They don't need to take this unless we're dealing with someone with traumatic brain injury. What we talked about was

a stack for this. What you're talking about with this is just but if someone is taking this stuff do they have to adjust like if they have a traumatic brain injury and they're taking these these various concoctions do they also if they're trying to protect themselves from covid do they have to take into account how much quercetin is in this, as well as how much ascorbate palmitate is in this, and not overdo it? Yeah. Ideal is not to overdo it. So like what would be a dose? If they were on that stack, yeah, if they were on the stack and didn't have an issue relative to traumatic brain injury, I'd tell them to hold off on this.

Okay. So this stuff we're talking about here is really only for people that have traumatic brain injuries. Right. But the one which is called Brain Care 2, my youngest daughter that you met, Rochelle, had a situation at her job where her work partner developed COVID right there, you know, when they were working together over that week. And after he got out, this is the second part of the story I didn't tell you. After he got out of the hospital, out of Kaiser, he got into a fight with my daughter and with his best friend. And I talked to him over the phone and he was angry. He was explosively irritated. So we put him on the brain care too.

And three days later, his personality came back to being normal. And that's because the inflammation. yeah the inflammation just went cranky or like yeah just a different personality if you go to um the covid letters it's on um that same page if you go covid letter and pull up the third one which is is number seven, you'll see that in New York, they're now reporting, and this is in May, they started reporting that people that are recovering from COVID are developing these personality mood swings, not only cognitive impairment, but irritability and depression. A couple have also developed strokes, young 20-year-olds developing strokes because of another system called Bradykinins. And you think this is inflammation-related?

It's all inflammation. Yeah. Cytokines are inflammation. Cytokines. There it is. No. If you go actually to the website and go to the science. Oh, okay. Sorry. website and go to the science. Yeah, go to the science and go up.

Oh, no, go down. Right there, COVID, the neurological? Yeah, right there. Recovery and neurological impact of COVID-19. Okay. Okay, so they reported it in New York. They reported these cases where people were having nervous system issues, epilepsy, and people who had never had a history of epilepsy. We have patients with post-blast trauma who were put on to epileptic medication because inflammation that wasn't being addressed.

They were just given Dilantin or one of the other medications for seizure. And on protocol, I tell everyone, don't stop your medication unless you go to your primary care doc or the doc who's dispensing and talking to that. Some of the guys are just stopping it, and they haven't had a seizure because inflammation causes migraines, insomnia, depression, and it's on a couple of those papers there. So in non-epileptics, it can actually cause epileptic seizures if it's that bad. Correct. And that's the inflammation. So these people that they're calling COVID long haulers, do you suspect that a lot of

this is the cytokines? Correct. Interesting. And they already know it. They talked about cytokine storm. Okay. I used to call it cytokine storm. Okay. I used to call it cytokine dumping, you know, back five, six years ago. So for people that are listening right now that have beaten COVID,

but they're still suffering from fatigue and brain fog, what should they do? Well, they can do an academic approach, which is go back to their doctor and have the doctor draw their levels of those inflammatory cytokines, approach, which is go back to their doctor and have the doctor draw their levels of those inflammatory cytokines, tumor necrosis factor alpha, interleukin 6, 1B, and 1, and look at it. If they're elevated, you need to reduce it. So the study that we did last year, it was a three-month study, so the testing can be expensive, is we saw guys who were having difficulties coming into the practice. We added on these tests, and we saw guys who were having difficulties coming into the practice. We added on these tests, and we saw the elevation in the level of these inflammatory cytokines.

And then we treated them on our protocol. And then we looked again three months later at how well they were doing and then at the levels. The correlation was those people who initially had elevation in cytokines who were put on our protocol and then came back and had their subsequent follow-up lab at three months and they were feeling better, their levels of the inflammatory cytokines were down to normal. We had a guy that had five and six times the level of his levels. And they came down. So that's a marker that's objective. Okay? But they're not doing it. I mean, they understand what's happening. Okay. But they're not doing it.

I mean, they understand what's happening. I mean, they've talked about it. Is it also that they're just overwhelmed with cases? Yes. It's almost like to treat a person individually for each of these symptoms and each of these problems and measure their markers. Right. They're just trying to get you out of the hospital so you're not going to die and then you're on your own. Correct.

So it's like they just kind of make sure you're not going to die and then go ahead. Yeah. It's like the guys in the military who are exposed to blast trauma, they receive treatment, and then they're let to go because a lot of them are medically discharged. Yeah. Going back, though, Mark, to the three products that you had up there, what about brain care, too, to mitigate three products that you had up there, what about brain care to for like a to mitigate, you know, becoming inflamed? Because we we recommend that to people who are in high risk situations.

Right. Athletes, operators, you know, industrial services, fighters. Exactly. You know what I mean? Preventative. So a lot of this is preventative as well because you can stop the inflammatory mechanism from going to becoming chronic by implementing this as a regular protocol. Before we had or at the time we had BrainCare 2 come out, we had some of our patients who had gotten better, the civilian population, who had gotten better on our protocol. And then they get into a subsequent automobile accident or motorcycle accident, and they freak out because they're back to where they were two years earlier. So we have them go on to the brain care too, taking a teaspoon in the morning before breakfast, 30 to 60 minutes, and a teaspoon before dinner. Three to four weeks later, they're back to where they were before the injury. And that's because they had built up something called biological resiliency. This is a topic that we're developing where this treatment protocol is like putting on Keflar. It gives you added protection.

It's like the book I gave you from Colonel Michael Lewis, which is- When Brains Collide. When Brains Collide. He talks about the eicosanoids, which are the fish oils, and how they upregulate two proteins, surviving and protecting, and drop the inflammatory cytokines. It functions on an area called NF-kappa-B, which is a translational. When it's turned on, it tells the cell to make these inflammatory components. So eicosanoids, the fish oil, are extremely important. High dose, 10,000, and he talks about it in there,

10,000 units, 20,000 units. And if you're already on it, and he tried to get this into the military, and if you're on these protective things, it's preventive, it's proactive, as opposed to waiting until the trauma has already occurred. So there are things that you can do, good vitamin E, good fish oil, dropping alcohol consumption because alcohol destroys growth hormone. And articles that have been coming out shows that growth hormone helps with repair of the brain. There are studies that are done on Alzheimer's patients where the destruction of the tubules and the tau protein, all that,

it gets better on growth hormone. Also anti-inflammation. Also a study in 2017 out of England showed that in people who had treatment-resistant depression, meaning that they were on antidepressants, but they weren't getting any benefit from it, 61%, 6-1, 61% of the people had growth hormone deficiency. And when they put them back on, when they put them on something to raise the level of growth hormone, what they saw in one to two months is their depression disappeared, and they ended up with four benefits. They slept better, they had brighter brains, they had better interpersonal relationships, and they weren't fly off the handle. They weren't explosive emotionally.

Wow. Yeah. So is there any downside to taking that much fish oil? That sounds like a large dose of fish oil. You have to taper up to it. For me, you know— Taper up? Yeah, diarrhea. Okay.

Oh, the diarrhea. Yeah, diarrhea can occur. How does your body get used to fish oil and not go, okay, open up the floodgates? How does that work? Genetics. Either you're predisposed to it or not. So at 10,000, I'm good. So when you get to 13,000, that's when you got to run to the potty?

10,001. And what is it? It's just the excess oil in your system? Oh, it's oil. Look, mineral oil has been used for decades or centuries for helping people as a cathartic to help them have bowel movement. We're allowed to talk about bowel movements here. Do you recommend it in a pill form or from a liquid we just spoon it in? You can use the –

Carlson's is what I take. Yeah, the spoon. Or there are – he likes the – he writes about it in there, Nordic Natural. He likes the encapsulated Nordic Natural. Because you just have a clearer sense of dose. Yeah. Yeah, and then. You know, a teaspoon of cod liver oil is what you're taking.

Is that what it is? I think it's cod liver oil that you might be taking. I don't know what kind of oil it is. Carlson's is. I'm not familiar with it. Yeah. Yeah. But in our product, we use DHA. There's EPA, DHEA are the fish oils. And the DHEA has a more central brain benefit. Also, it protects the heart. I mean, vitamin, you know, fish oil is so important. Now, what about people that are only eating plants? Is there an equivalent that they can take?

It's not as bioabsorbable, but maybe you can at least. I'm not aware of any. You're talking about omega-3? Fish oil. Yeah, there's vegan forms of it, like from algae, things like that. Algae, yeah. Right. So, like, what kind of doses do they need to take?

It would have to be equivalent. They'd have to measure it out equivalent, meaning that, you know, the fish oil would be 10,000 IUs is equivalent to 10,000 IUs. But like flaxseed oil and a lot of those essential fatty acids, it's not going to? Flaxseed is beneficial, but for the brain is, you know, I'm so focused on things that, you know, I don't look outside that box and that's, you know, I probably should. But it's in the mission that we're on is very focal and therefore DHA turned out to be the best. Also, tocopherols, which are the vitamin E, gamma tocopherols, the keen is the one that really helps down-regulate. And when you mix the vitamin E to cofrol with N-acetylcysteine, the two of them together drops the NF-kappa B, which is the inflammatory trigger in the brain or in the body.

So we've had patients who have improved with being on the product with below the neck, improvement in orthopedic or joint related arthritic kind of complaints and it was 18 products before and now it's just three because we used to get a lot of complaints oh yeah our population why do i got to take so much yeah you know so 18 different things now we put it into three and another huge thing that's of benefit is so many people have reached out to us since 2015 thousands that we couldn't get to and it was a financial barrier so this was the next best thing is like hey here's this base Kevlar you know you can put on that will benefit you and more people can afford

that than say come in and be seen in the clinic so now that's available to people used to be just was just available to people in the clinic and now and now it's not so that that's the kind of the cool thing is like, how could we continue to make a significant impact, positive impact? And this was the next thing we could reach more people. Um, and that's just Mark's genius over the years. If you can, just so that we make this standalone, tell me about your own personal experiences, like what, what you experienced overseas, what kind of impact that had on you and what kind of impact going through this treatment had yeah um i just want to take a second and kind of soak it in here man because um

what we're about to convey will no doubt alter somebody's life for the better. It will save lives. And I don't say that because I think that. This is based off the last two of what's happened. This information will come out, and people's lives will be turned around. And so it just touches me to know that. And to be where I was in 2014, when I was pretty sure that I was going to have to take my own life because the negative effects that I was having on my family seemed to be out of sight of my conscious control.

So high level, I spent about a decade in special operations, was exposed to a lot of explosive blasts. So, you know, those guys were elite performers in situations of life and death. So I, and that's pretty consistent with my entire life up until a certain point. So I went from this high level performer without a scratch on my body, you know, no physical impairment to being on 13 different medications. I was labeled with 30 plus disabilities. And I was a just an absolute nightmare. I was plagued with anxiety and depression. My cognition had just gone by the wayside. I couldn't remember anything. It was just an absolute disaster. And going back to the film that we have out now quiet

explosions i remember watching a documentary film and i'm not i won't give the name of the film but i remember watching it and just crying because it was showing all these nfl guys and wwe wrestlers and that had cte which is you, you know, neuroinflammation. And it's showing, hey, man, here are all the effects that are coming with CTE from secondary to head trauma. And there's nothing that you can do about it. Once that clock has started, you have about 10 years till you're in full on dementia and you're just riding it out. Hopefully we can make life comfortable for you until you're in full-on dementia and you're just riding it out hopefully we can make life comfortable for you until you're in full-on dementia and i can remember being at 32 33 and just thinking like there's nothing we can do so the information that we're about to convey

it didn't exist in the public domain like it does now you feel like you were on that path? 100%. 100%. And you hit the brakes. Yeah. I mean, it was one foot in the grave, no doubt about it. And, you know, sometimes we need a wake-up call to wake up. And I got, you know, it was like I lost my identity. You know, I thought the system was mistreating me. You know, my boy became very sick, forced to medically retire. I'm on the street. I can't put two and two together. Our source of income has just gone away. And, you know, I don't know what we're going to do.

But I got to this crossroads. I was at my son's hospital bed. And I realized, like, if I traveled on that same path that I was on, that same trajectory, I kept blaming all the things in my life that I was going to, you know, it was going to kill me. But worse than that, I realized at that point that I was of zero value to my son and to my family. So I made a promise at his hospital bedside, three things. One, that I would return to the man in my pre-injury status. Two, that I would get off all that medication that I was on because it just turned my life from a very difficult situation

into a disaster. And I did not care what had to be done to make that happen. What kind of medication did they have you on? Anti-anxiety, anti-depression. I was on insomnia, uppers, anti-convulsion. What was the word you used? Dilant. Yeah. And so, you know, multiples of each of those, you know what I mean? And it just completely turned me into a different person. And that's where I really started to like contemplate like, man, I think it would be better off if I just ceased to exist. And, and I just made my mind up. I was like, after those two things are accomplished, number three is I'm going to turn around. I'm going to spend the rest of my days helping somebody else who's in the exact same position as myself. And how'd you find out about the treatment? So I started at that point looking for different alternative modalities because the only thing that we do, the status quo treatment for traumatic brain injury still,

psychotropic medication and talk therapy, which in my case did not do anything to identify nor treat the underlying condition. And it just made things incredibly worse. So, you know, I just, through intuition, I said, this obviously isn't treating whatever it is. There's got to be something to do that. So I started to go outside and look at alternative means, started talking to other operators and looking at whatever else could be out there. And the movie kind of chronicles this. That led me and Mark to get together. I was down in a functional neurology place getting treatment down in Dallas, Texas, and it got some press. And Mark saw it, and he wrote to me. And that's how we linked up.

But the point being was we were able to institute, you know, what he's talking about here, lab test, identify neuroinflammation, identify deficienciesiencies correct those deficiencies drop the inflammation and I'll be damned I didn't turn around almost instantaneously that's not special or specific to me we've now replicated that over 400 times within the military and veteran population and marks on it over 3,000 times so the point being was was, he said we wrote Tales from the Blast Factory and it was kind of to chronicle as a how-to for somebody that was navigating this. That's the whole reason we did it.

My brother was the force behind that. And these things I just couldn't believe how well it did. And it ended up getting to this director, Jerry Shear, and she said, hey, we've got to turn this into a documentary film. And we were thinking, you know, we were just focused on specifically veterans, military, you know, athletes. This is a much big societal issue or problem. And we'll probably go in that direction and explain why. But we said, hey, like, is there a way that we can encapsulate and communicate these very advanced neurological concepts into a compelling story for the first time ever on the big screen and counterbalance some of the information that's out there with actual hard-based scientific evidence and show people going through this process and actually coming out better on the other side.

So that's what it's about. There's 10 different stories there. We have some of the top medical doctors, clinicians, neuroscientists, researchers in the film as well, film chronicles, former NFL and the Super Bowl MVPs, top big wave surfers, you know, operators and like everybody in between. And that's what we wanted to show and provide answers. Whereas before in 2014, you're only, you are relegated now to a psychological box, and here's all the medications that you're going to be on. There's no alternative to that. So this is an alternative saying, hey, this is real.

The evidence is real. The science that already exists is real. Here's these people's real stories, and here's what can happen. So it takes all these very advanced things and this beautiful story that Jerry did, and it conveys it in Quiet Explosion. So, you know, that's the beauty of that. And it continues to show like, hey, everybody, no matter if you're an NFL MVP operator or an accountant, rock bottom looks the same for everybody when you're overcome with this. And here's the answers.

Here's the hope. Here's the healing that can come out of it. And here's how you can get more information on it. So, you know, that's the project that we're currently, well, we've been engulfed in the last two and a half years that finally just came out last month. And, I mean, it's won two, we only got to put it in two film festivals, but it won both film festivals that it went into, and it's just been doing magnificent.

So we're just excited to bring this information now to the world. So now it's out there. They can go out there now and say, okay, well, if I want more information, you can find it. But it didn't exist before. For the first time ever, not only do I identify a problem, we show a actually scientifically and evidence-based solution to improve quality of life. And I mean, that's just so incredible. We're so excited about it. If you're out there, I mean, you don't have to be an operator or even have had a head injury to enjoy this film.

You're going to find it incredibly inspiring, compelling, educational, you know, all at the same time. So it's a phenomenal piece of work. Now, there's no way you could take care of all these different soldiers that have all these issues. So are there other doctors that are applying your protocols? Yeah. In 2015, I released the book, TBI, Clinical Approach, Diagnosis, and Treatment, which was the foundational literature with 1,600 articles in it to start the process of training doctors to replicate what I've done. And what happened was a lot of the doctors found that the information was too overwhelming. So about four years ago, I started

writing a program and a software package, which is an expert AI system for not only TBI, but for also TRT, HRT, wellness, age management, anti-aging medicine, so that you put in all the parameters that you would do with a patient sitting in front of you, their laboratory results, medication they're on, and it would analyze the information for you. So it took me, you know, 30 years to get all the algorithms together and then four years to consolidate it into a software package. I hired wonderful program, Sam Nee, who has taken it to build the interface so that it's available. So launched it, what, three months ago, launched it in the cloud. And right now it's free for doctors to get access to it, to play with it, to see how it works.

And it's preloaded with all the information. So building this system, like my daughter Allison took over all my civilian patients in January of last year, so I can focus with Andrew and I can focus on just the military. It took me about 18 months to train Allison to become proficient. Now she's become really, really great. And the software package does it in 15 minutes. So we can get more doctors on board. We don't have to go through the training program that

could take six months our training program is about six months long six months yeah why is it so long uh because the information is so overwhelming yeah it really is a lot of information uh i think i gave you a copy of the book and it steps you through a progression it's a educate it's a training textbook, really. But there's so much information that it's ideal that they know so that when they have a case in front of them, they have the flexibility of knowing what to do correctly as opposed to being a knee-jerk response. I'm not really good. Has there been any pushback against this? Is there any people that disagree with your approach?

Not yet. No. Not yet. Let me rephrase phrase this england england yes england england we were brought over at the request of the surgeon general to the united kingdom's armed forces like what last january january 15th. So it was at Imperial College, and it was a TBI summit. And we were, it's an invitee list only. Mark and I were invited.

And it's at the, they have a center for blast trauma there. And so they wanted to look at neuroendocrine therapy and a couple of other like MEG. MEGscan. MEGscan. So they brought us there. And the reason why we were there, Joe, is because we had helped a number of SAS guys and they had phenomenal turnarounds. And they said, we've never seen anything like this before. And that kind of started the dialogue to bring us over. So the point being is there is like in the UK, it's run by the National Health Service. Yeah.

And all the major decision makers were in this room, which we were at. And I spoke, Mark gave his long presentation, and then kind of the establishment would get up and talk. And there's kind of a line here. And the line is they had this, their kind of thesis is that all the issues, the psychological issues one has after they have head trauma has nothing to do with their head trauma. It has to do with them being psychologically, having a psychological duress in distress. And it says, yes, we know they've had a head injury. All the issues that you're having, anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress, all the other things, is due to psychological duress. And therefore, what he's practicing is pseudoscience. And so we were able to present our case.

Mark gave a beautiful presentation. And then, I shit you not, for two two hours these two sides went back and forth and the the the animus and the hate that was coming out of that room directed at mark for applying what he's doing here was absolutely mind-boggling i couldn't believe it and to think like this is the way that science and they're making decisions there on the policy that's going to influence a lot of people, and it was shocking to see how it's done behind the curtain. Which is not science-based, because you're talking about,

different people have different experiences, or different reactions to similar experiences. There's a lot of operators that I know that have seen some horrible shit, and it doesn't fuck with their head. They sleep good. The real issue seems to be that some people don't, and some people don't have the same reactions psychologically. But when you're talking about physical manifestations,

when you're talking about real physical reactions that you could track with measuring inflammatory markers in the blood, measuring the decrease in those markers through these therapies, and showing the positive impact it has on people's lives. The fact that that's disputed could only be ego. They refuse to look at the markers. Is this because they have an idea that they've been teaching? Yes.

It's because this thesis was contrary to to theirs which means money would go to us to do a big project over there which was in the works and it means the money would go away from them from them okay so there's money the head guy is psychiatrist huge and we're talking huge amounts of money here yeah and it was there like hey this is the policymakers this is fucking scary let's make some changes we're presenting hardcore science i saw with my own eyes i'm here to report on it and and it wasn't like um no we're making these conclusions because we have all these objective markers that we tested on no yeah we don't count what you're saying this is only in england yeah yeah well this is which is weird because that's where you have free medicine.

Yeah, this is at Imperial College. It would cost them money to do what we do. So it's better to call them a psychiatric. So the minute, you know, same thing that happened in 2012 here with 410,000 vets who came back or military came back to the United States, 380,000 of them were declared as being PTSD. And then a year later, they found that those that were diagnosed with PTSD really were post-TBI. They were traumatic brain injury related. And it means that if you look at the cost for doing an assessment for someone who has PTSD, let's say, is less money than someone who has a traumatic brain injury. It's more money to put them through traumatic brain injury.

So like $16,000 a year, I think, is what the Congressional Budget Office said. So $16,000 a year for how many different soldiers? Per. Per. That's a lot of money. Yeah, that same $16,000 when Andrew and I were invited to spend three days with number 43 Bush, we shared with them that we can take that $16,000 and use it for three years. And hopefully at the end of three years, they'd be able to stop their treatment or diminish their treatment down to very minimal products to help them to maintain their quality of recovery.

But, you know, it's uphill, and it's also because I opened my mouth and said I don't really believe in PTSD. And the reason why I don't believe in PTSD is because we've now found a chemical called fractalkin, which is part of that immune system, that if you have chronic stress, this chemical, fractalkin, disappears from the brain. And when it disappears, inflammation shoots up. Fractalkin has control over a cell, the white blood cell in the brain called the microglia, that stops it from dumping these cytokines. But under chronic stress, so you don't need blast, You can just be in a household where someone is abusive or in a relationship where something is chronic stress producing. Yeah, non-physical.

Non-physical. Thank you. And that will cause this chemical fractalkin. It's called a chemokine for anyone who wants to look it up. And it causes the inflammation. And that inflammation without contact trauma will cause the exact same scenario biochemically, someone who's had blast trauma and develops depression. Okay. But there's not just a chemical reaction going on in certain people's brains when they have PTSD. There's also memories

of horrible things that have happened to them. That's what people consider when they think about PTSD. Like a woman has been abused by a man. She gets near men. She panics. She tightens up. Understood. You just said it. A group of people exposed to the same trauma.

Yeah. Why does this person develop nothing? Blase sleeps all night, and this person over there develop a problem. Why is the difference? Some people, like they stub their toe, and they're depressed all day. Cytokines. It's not just cytokines. It can't be there has to be Psychological makeup that varies in which individuals the point that the point that I'm really trying to tease out is the biological resiliency Some of us are more resilient to stressors or to stress on our body

Okay, more resilient my stressors or to stress on our body. Yes. More resilient. My gallbladder exploded. I had surgery on it. I was out at the hospital in two days. The surgeon said, what the fuck are you doing? Because I've never had in 35 years someone who's had exploded gallbladder and out of the hospital in three days, really, two and a half days. And it's because my biological resiliency was so high because of what I was on.

You know, all the replacement hormones. You know, in 1997, I was found to have three hormone deficiencies from six head traumas. And replenishing it is what led me down this pathway. Could it be that the lowering of fractalkin, if you were able to put that back into an optimal state, it's not that they have the ability now to see the past more clearly in order to move past it, where before it was inhibited. More rational. I mean, how do you account for the fact that you went from that depressed, panic-ridden individual to who you are now. You still have the same memories of that blast that put you out of commission.

You have all those memories of how badly your course was with 13 medications and so forth, your son being. Does that generate that depression in you now? No. Okay. I don't know if it did. Those things generated a depression. I didn't have any reason to be depressed. That's what it threw me. All I wanted to do was operate, and I can't function anymore. Why is that? But yeah. No, I believe that there is, if you want, a small percentage of people who have this pure PTSD. We'll use that

terminology. And other people who have the appearance of PTSD, because I think traumatic brain injury is a continuum, or PTSD is a continuum of brain trauma or trauma that has been missed. And there are different forms of trauma. Finasteride, as we talked about earlier, is a form of non-contact trauma to the brain. Ionizing radiation, getting multiple X-ray CT scans, damages the hypothalamus, induces inflammation. We have four or five people that had brain surgery, craniotomies for tumors or for cysts in the brain who developed all the symptomatology of someone with head trauma from an

auto accident or being clumped on the head put them onto the protocol they're better so what you're essentially saying is there's a ton of people out there that are experiencing whether it's depression or ptsd or all sorts of brain fog and various ailments of the mind and of the mood. Really, a big culprit is just inflammation. Correct. Jamie, if you go back to that one with the green little icons on the side, you'll see a couple of the articles. There are over 100,000 articles right there.

Microglia in the brain, they're responsible for releasing the inflammatory cytokines, the good, the bad, and the dysregulated. What happens from chronic inflammation, fractalkin controls the microglia. If you lose fractalkin from chronic stress, it's cortisol-based. Cortisol causes it to disappear. The microglia start dumping. So that's the side effect of too much cortisol. Correct. So when people talk about cortisol causing depression and... That's the connection.

So there's a whole system in place. Correct. That's going wrong. So how many of these people... This is missed. How many could people that are... Forget about just people that are recovering from TBIs. How many people that are just clinically depressed?

Yeah, 47,000. Oh, 47 million. No, 50 million. 50 million. One out of five adults. 50% of 13 to 18-year-olds. Jesus. This is according to the National Institute of Mental Health.

How many of these people do you think are dealing with inflammation? The majority. The majority. The majority. So there are some people on the one. By the way, my friend who got very, very depressed and suicidal was taking finasteride and didn't realize it until years later. He got on SSRIs. He cured him.

He came out. Then he got off finasteride, and then he realized that that was one of the side effects. Yep. And so that was causing some sort of inflammation. Finasteride is being banned in Italy, Germany, Japan. Holy shit. At the Post-Finasteride Syndrome Foundation. I think it's pfs.com or org.

They have a listing of all. I heard that there was a topical version of it, as I touched my ball today. Yeah. A topical version that they were coming out with that eliminates the side effects. Well, they've had a topical one, and they mix it with retinoic acid, vitamin A, and they mix it with the blood pressure medication, and it helps to generate hair regrowth. But the real key is a peptide called thymocin-4-beta. The article's up there.

They had nude mice. Nude mice are genetically bred to have no hair. They used this product called thymocin-4-beta and they grew hair. Jesus. Yeah. So there's a lot of literature on Google Scholar about 1,300 articles talking about hair regrowth.

And thymusin is also a peptide that people use for recovery from injuries, right? Correct. You mix that with BPC-157, you get tendon repair and you get muscular repair. It works very well. Yeah, I'm a big fan of that BPC-157 stuff. Oh, yeah. It's good. It's crazy when you get injured.

And they're trying to get rid of it. Yep. The FDA is trying to ban it. Yep. Yep. These motherfuckers. There's an organization, Dr. Edwin Lee in Orlando, Florida. He's an endocrinologist. He wrote a book on, I think I might have sent it to you, on peptides.

You did? Yeah. Yeah. And he has the Clinical Peptide Society. I'm a consultant to them because of the work we do with peptides. He did. Yeah. And he has the Clinical Peptide Society. I'm a consultant to them because of the work we do with peptides. But right now, there's savepeptides.org, which is they're trying to get a million dollars, and they need $300,000 in order for a compendium to be written about one of the peptides to present to the FDA to get them to change the ban. Right now, there is a banned FDA law that's now taking away all our compounded peptides.

Inclusive of that is beta-HCG. Why would they do that? Why are they wasting money on this? Where's the bodies? So many people are getting recovery from these pept yeah from it's not a good business model they can't control it is they can't control it because the so they're getting pressure from some other pharmaceutical so the the peptides uh they fell into a category because they had to be a certain less than a certain length of peptides in order to be in this

non-controlled area they changed those rules so now all peptides are under control fda control and the first thing they did is banned it so they've gone after a couple of companies that we know of so jesus but the response i mean more and more articles are coming out, research being done outside the United States on BPC-157, IGF-1, LR3, which is long-acting IGF-1. IGF-1 is extremely important in upregulating the protein synthesis of our cells, so healing, repair, anti-inflammation in the brain. Is there any of those that are good for meniscus? Yeah. There's a study that just came out. I think Lee sent it to me.

It's on the knee and pain. The knee and pain. The knee and pain. And the pain is due to either the medial lateral meniscus that's torn or frayed. And it's about healing it so that the pain goes down. So what is the best peptide for meniscus injuries? I think the combination of the BPC-157, 5 milligrams with 10 milligrams of the thymus and B mixed together. And then what you do is you take a three cc's total and you take

one tenth of a cc twice a day. If you can get into the joint. Into the joint. Yeah. So you want to do it locally. You want to do it locally. Because I've heard that that doesn't matter. Some people, there's a bit of argument about that.

Some people think that you could do it. Abdominal fat, shoulder, yeah. Yeah, but why is locally better? A higher concentration. concentration okay subcutaneously but you're right you can do it someplace else or locally so why would it benefit you to get in the joint then maximize the effect how would it maximize the effect well you've got it local as opposed to going through the system first and circulating around. You get it right into the area. So doing it subcutaneously would be something that you would do for overall injuries,

like injuries over your whole body. But if you have an injury that's very specific to a joint, you'd want to do it. Go into the area. Well, you may or may not have known that December 20th of 2019, I slipped. And as I was slipping, I felt my- I've been telling you you've been slipping for a while. Yeah, I know. My quadriceps. I caught you slipping.

Abuse. England was bad enough. Now I got to come here and get abused here? Thank you, my friend. My abuse is way better than England's. Yeah, no. Your accent is correct. How fucked up is that?

They invented English, and you're like, no, you're doing it wrong. No, we speak American. We don't speak English. We speak American. We speak, no, it's English. I know. It's from the English vernacular. They were very proper in insulting you.

Oh, yeah. Were they? Oh, they were. What did that one doctor in the corner say about the... Well, what did he say about the results? I presented to him 459 guys who had a 78% improvement in a year. Okay, that was our 2019. In comparison to what is...

No improvement. Yeah. No improvement. Yeah. And it wasn't a long presentation. They only gave me like 20 minutes. It was a three-hour lecture I put into 20 minutes. 20 minutes for you is like a couple of blinks for the average person.

But it was good, right? But one guy said he appreciates, what did he say? He was sitting closer to him. He appreciated your willingness to work with people who needed help, but he didn't believe a word you said. Hilarious. Yeah. And there were like four or five docs that did that.

But that's fine. Did you call them out on their motivations? At the end, I basically said to my colleagues across the aisle or across the pond that if they continue on the paradigm that they're working, they're going to have as many suicides as we have in the United States because there was no rationale. It was a psychiatrist. What's the scientific evidence a psychiatrist used before he puts you on, not you, but puts a person on antidepressants? What's the science? There's none. What's the objective science? You feel bad. It's his

perception. Yes, exactly. Here we have hard, objective, reproducible clinical data. So I presented 459 cases, we'll fillet it out into age groups, into what percentage of the people did best. Our failures, I mean, we have failures. Our failures are 24 people out of 459 were due to their being on medication that blocked our treatment.

There are certain medications we've learned. What medications? One called gabapentin. It interrupts GABA, which is extremely important for sleep. So it substitutes in. Did they put you on gabapentin? No. I don't believe so.

Yeah. So I didn't go in. What's the benefit on gabapentin? No. I don't believe so. Yeah, so I didn't go in. What's the benefit of gabapentin? For pain and for sleep, for chronic pain and sleep. That's what they're using it for. But the Surgeon General loved what he heard, and we actually won him over. Yeah. And we're going to do this big study in Birmingham, England, like over four years.

So the Surgeon General loved it. Yeah. And who didn't? The people who had control of the military project at Imperial College. The scientific advisors. The scientific advisors. Because you just threw a monkey wrench into all of their work. Yeah.

When his name is Colonel Tim Hodgins. That's the guy who had the problem? Pardon? That's the guy who had the problem? Pardon? That's the guy who had the problem? No, he loves what he's doing. He's the Surgeon General. He's the Surgeon General designated him to talk. Reed.

Alistair Reed. Alistair Reed was the Surgeon General. Shout out to Alistair Reed. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, truth. Let's do it. Shut those guys. He came in, shut them up, and said, we're doing this.

We're doing it in Birmingham. Really? So what I promoted to do is- Since it got shut down. They shut us down. Yeah, they shut us down. Why'd they shut you down? They came back afterwards, the advisors, and worked however they worked it, and got them

to agree that we shouldn't do this. They didn't want someone from the Americas coming over. got them to agree that they didn't want someone from the americas coming over isn't that always the case in a movie where you have these like stiff british intellectuals who just don't buy all this new research and they they do whatever they can to stop it except this really happened like we were in real time yes do you know the story of those kind of stereotypes Do you know the story of... It's hilarious when those kind of stereotypes... Do you know the story of Igor... What is his name? He was... I just dropped his last name. Anyway, he was at the first OB hospital in Austria. And Simmelweiss is his last name, Simmelweiss. He was a obstetrician, gynecologist. And during that time, they would go from cadaver dissection into doing vaginal exams on these pregnant women getting ready to deliver. And they had a very

high occurrence of what's called crib death, where they die, because they didn't understand at that time, they didn't have postulates, that they were transferring infectious agents from the cadaver. What year was this? The 1700s. They didn't wash their hands. Right. So Zimmelweiss, what he did, he says, ah, let's put lemon juice and lye together and we'll wash our hands. And he took a 20% death rate down to less than 1%. And he did a thesis on this and presented it to the first obstetrician or gynecological

hospital in Austria. And what they did was they refuted his results. Why? If they admitted that what he was doing, all it took was washing the hands, because what did they say during those times? It was God's will. It was God's will, the reason why the person died. And it was also admit that they were doing things wrong. They didn't want to acknowledge the fact that here's a guy that's an unknown guy. I'm unknown. I don't have credentials like these people we went up against. And he was able to solve the problem, but they refuted it.

Okay, like Admiral Small, Admiral Small from the British Admiralty. He's the one who treated the first nutritional illness called scurvy. But it took 50 years for the Admiralty to recognize it because they didn't want to believe it took— that's how they got the name Lyme's. They didn't—you know, all you need is vitamin C in order to avoid scurvy. So the doctors— That's where Lyme's comes from? That's right.

Go look it up. Wow. Yeah. It's in my book, my first book, Interventional Endocrinology. I talk about these cases because they talk about the paradigms and how difficult it is to get one generation of medical caregivers to change what they've been indoctrinated in and fixated on to something more modern that maybe solves a problem that they weren't, you know, able to resolve. So it would be admitting that what I've been doing all this time has been wrong if I don't wash my hands. Right. And I can't take that heat because I become the culprit.

Now it wasn't God's will. Right. And then you become responsible for all those deaths that occurred during your treatment. That's right. Yeah. And that's part of what I think is motivating a lot of the resistance there. The science is there. We're seeing it stateside just as much.

Are you? It's ego, right? And then it's also influenced from some pharmaceutical companies. a Harvard degree or if I had a Stanford, I had some of the other degrees behind my name instead of just MD, F-U-C-K, what would happen is they might listen to me. You know, one of the... Or you might have a different worldview. Correct. I'd say, oh, screw it, right? Screw it. Let it be. One of our admirals, rear admirals that has been with us for about eight years, connected me with another admiral who got me to the Fort Detrick Army Medical Research and Development Group to share with them what we're doing.

And they were interested in it, but they didn't understand it because they asked me, where's the antidepressants? Where are the anti-anxiety medications? They're looking for maintaining the status quo. The only way we're going to improve this is for people to open up and look at the science and say, huh, I didn't know about this. And every week that I send out one of the articles with a little summary of it, I get docs come back and say, you know, this changed the way I'm looking at things because it's an article that's vetted by peer review on a major, you know, research.

You know, I look at psychopathoneurology research, articles that aren't JAMA or they're not Lancet or they're not, you know not New England Journal of Medicine. And most doctors look at these key journals to get all their information, but all the information is filtered. The narrative, the narrative of, okay, let's keep these paradigms going because they serve a purpose for other entities. And that's possible because there's so many studies.

You can include the ones you like that suit your needs and ignore the ones that throw monkey wrenches in there. And I send out articles that refute some of the things that we do, but I also send articles that support it. It's like I have up there about testosterone, the great battle of testosterone and cardiovascular disease. Testosterone, the great battle of testosterone and cardiovascular disease. The article that I shared with you there actually shows how important testosterone is for protecting the heart, how incredibly important it is. That's funny because a lot of times you hear people say that people that supplement from testosterone or supplement rather with testosterone, you're putting yourself in danger. Right. And if you look at the three articles that were the negative articles that made the FDA put a black box warning on testosterone distribution, stating that it can increase cardiovascular

risk, the real issue was the group that had the increased occurrence of death were people who already had cardiovascular disease, heart attacks. They already had bad functioning hearts. So what's the negative? In some people that are put on testosterone, it causes sodium and chloride to be retained, and that causes fluid to be retained. So fluid overload puts the heart at risk. Not everybody has this effect. It's called mineral corticoid effect. So if you find people who are on testosterone who find that they have a little puffiness, suprapubic fingers or on the legs, it's because they're one of the people that, individuals that retain sodium. And what you do is put them on a Lasix or some diuretic three days a week, you know, cycle for a couple of weeks to

get rid of the extra fluid. Now, what about people that are like bodybuilding where they're taking ridiculously large doses? Yeah, some of them take diazide to help with the fluid. And a lot of the guys don't have the fluid retention. No, I mean for heart disease. Oh, for heart disease. Because a lot of those guys suffer from heart attacks, right? Correct.

disease. Oh, for heart disease. Because a lot of those guys suffer from heart attacks, right? Correct. Many people missed the article where Arnold Schwarzenegger had cardiomyopathy enlargement of the heart. Remember, the heart is a muscle. So if you're on anabolic steroids, what happens, you get enlargement of the heart. So he went to Mexico, the District Federal, the Cardiovascular Institute de Mexico, and had a resection of his left ventricle. Yeah, a new one recently. Yeah. A new operation. Yeah. So he said two.

It was originally developed in Colombia. American doctors, this is 15 years ago that the article started coming out. They went to Colombia. Yeah, I think it was Columbia or Uruguay, and they learned this technique. They do a wedge resection of the heart. They take a section out and they sew it back together. Jesus. Yeah.

They take a slice out of your heart? Yeah. It's a myomectomy. They take the muscle out. Yeah. What happens is when the left ventricle gets enlarged, the valves can't open correctly. Oh. IH, what's it called?

IHSS or IHHD. It's some letters. My friend Everlast has a fake valve, and he puts the microphone up to his chest, and you hear it. Oh, it's ticking. Yeah, it's like a titanium valve. Yeah. It's very uncomfortable. Why, he feels it? No, for me. Oh, for you ticking. Yeah, it's like a titanium valve. It's very uncomfortable. Why, he feels it?

No, for me. Oh, for you to hear it. So take the microphone away. No, I want to hear it. I mean, but it's like when you hear it, you're like, whoa. I mean, I don't mean like really uncomfortable. I mean like yikes. Like you just kind of, it weirds you out because he puts it right on his chest and you can hear it.

It doesn't get lower. It's bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They have, what, porcine valves. They've got a valve that has a loop on it with a ball in it. It looks like a ping-pong ball. So.

Oh, boy. Click, click, click, click, click. Yeah. Maybe that's what he has. I'm not sure. There's a ball and valve. Back to the neuroinflammation. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. How, why? I mean, that is a major contributing factor to neuropsychiatric illness. Correct. And there's a whole bunch of articles that are up there that talk about it. This is going to be mind-blowing, not just to people with TBI, but people that suffer from depression that are currently on SSRIs.

Correct. Let me give a couple examples, Joe. We'll look at a micro, and then we'll kind of break it out macro. But Special Operations Command just issued a study, suicide study, that showed that special operators are committing suicide 30% greater than the regular military. This just came out through Freedom of Information Act this last summer. So they went back, they did a psychological autopsy because so many operators were committing suicide. And they looked at 29 different suicides that occurred in a three-year

time period. And they went back and I have it, I wrote an article on it as well. But what they found was that everybody who committed suicide were exhibiting what they called signs that were synonymous with suicide. So it's called isolation, substance abuse, purposelessness, anxiety, hopelessness, withdrawal, anger, recklessness, mood changes. OK, so they said, hey, 62 percent of the people who committed suicide that we're looking at had at least one sign and almost 50% had more than one. And of the people that we looked at, one third were diagnosed with being clinically depressed. And so then they looked at and they said, okay, here are the other risk factors that we're finding in these individuals that commit suicide.

Escalating conflict in relationships, financial issues, legal problems, lack of access to mental health care. And then they said nearly all the cases suffered from some form of emotional trauma following their first deployment. Interviewees typically saw changes in the SOF member after their first deployment. So these are the main things that they said, hey, these are constant in all these suicides that we're seeing. And then they came out with like a nine-step recommendation. And the recommendations were the guys need to do active role-playing when they get back. They need

access to better mental health, need to take away their access to lethal means, things like that. And the point I'm making is nowhere in here is it ever identified or addressed that there could be a neuroinflammatory condition that leads to these neuropsychiatric conditions that then leads to suicide. And why that's significant in this population is they are selected, assessed, and cultivated to be psychologically and physically resilient in very difficult situations. So the question I think we have to ask ourselves is, why is the Special Operations community, according to the Special Operations Command,

committing suicide at a rate that's the highest in the military and 30% higher than everybody else? The answer that we know is because they live in an environment that exposes them to neuroinflammatory conditions. So that's a very specific thing right there that just blew my mind when I went into the research. It absolutely infuriated me to realize, like, nothing is being done any different than it was six years ago. And the problems have even gotten worse. So then you look at, okay, like we talked about 50 million Americans, one out of every five have a mental health illness, 50% of children. It's absolutely mind blowing. And we know, I don't think Mark is saying that neuroinflammation is the factor. It is a significant contributing factor, and it's not even a main player in the conversation. And I think that's criminal. It doesn't matter.

What are you going to do about it? And that's what our work has been focusing around, is showing, hey, there's actually an alternative to this and we need to have an alternative conversation based in science, based in evidence, based in results. And we should be able to discuss that and put these things forward so people can have access to them. But when you learn this, it just infuriates you. Here's another one. The, what was it? The Veteran Suicide Prevention Annual Report. This just came out in 2020. Now, the suicide rate has gone up since 2005 in the veteran community by about 6%. But here's the mind-blowing statistic. In the civilian population, suicide has risen almost 50% since

2005. It was 30,000, roughly 30,000, 2005 a year. Now we're over 45,000 a year. This is insanity. And if we're saying that neuroinflammation is a major contributing factor to this, then it's time to look at the research. It's time to look at the evidence. It's time to look at the clinical results and do something else. This is what Quiet Explosions is built around. This is what Warrior Angels Foundation is built around. This is what Quiet Explosions is built around. This is what Warrior Angels Foundation is built around. This is what our whole, our life's ambition is worked around, is to put this information out. It's not to put anybody's condition down or say it's not real. We're saying there's things out there that you didn't know about that could be contributing

significantly to the negative state you're in, you know, and then you find out, okay, well, what can cause neuroinflammation, poor diet, certain chemicals, certain medications, my environment, lack of sun, poor water, you know, all these influences, all these factors. So it can kind of put you back in the driver's seat is where you want to be like, I need to do everything I can to get these things where they need to be first and then start looking at what needs to happen second. That would be my recommendation for anybody who's having issues, like, to look at those things. But I just wanted to highlight this to the audience because I think it's such a significant thing that's not even known or talked about. And we know very clearly, like, there is real reasons why these things happen.

And so, again, like, that's – and Mark can validate it better than I can. How much resistance are you getting to, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but how much resistance are you getting to this from, I mean, obviously, from the patients you're treating, you're getting this massive positive response. Correct.

Huge, huge, but much bigger than anything anybody's ever done before. Correct. If you really look at the actual numbers and the percentages, it's off the charts. We're breaking the four-minute mile in this arena because we're giving people

psychological permission to do the same thing. And that's happening over and over again. When you have someone able to go to get dual masters at MIT and Harvard who couldn't go to school before that, or one of our guys who just graduated

physician assistant school, number one summa cum laude president award who couldn't do anything before that. Or one of our guys who just graduated physician assistant school, number one summa cum laude president's award, who couldn't do anything before that. Or the SEAL who had multiple sclerosis, which is an inflammatory process. In 60 days, he was 50% better because multiple sclerosis is an inflammatory process. What is the standard treatment for multiple sclerosis? They give them a inflammatory blocker or they give them, what is it called, gamma antibodies. They give them antibodies because it's an inflammatory process. ALS, inflammatory process, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's disease. Now they're looking at Alzheimer's and asking questions. Did you have any trauma in your

past? They're now starting to ask about trauma because the NFL did a study five years ago where they found that if you had one concussion on the field, one concussion on the field, you were 19 times more likely to develop Alzheimer's disease than in the general population at a younger age, 30 to 49 years of age. Well, trauma-induced Parkinson's is something that's been known about in fighting for a long time. Correct. I mean, that's what Muhammad Ali had. And I remember there was this moronic argument that, no, no, he doesn't have pugilistic dementia.

He has Parkinson's. Same thing. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Did you watch the Frazier fights? Did you watch these fights? Did you watch the Larry Holmes fight? Did you watch these fights? Did you watch the Larry Holmes fight? Did you watch the Trevor Burwick fight? Shut the fuck up.

You don't think those things are connected? You're out of your mind. Absolutely. We have a gal who flies in from Stockholm, Sweden, who had mild to moderate Parkinson's on three medications. 90 days later, she's 70% better. She doesn't have the pill rolling. She doesn't have the shuffling of feet.

She's animated. She's happy. It's inflammation. And so you think this is the case with Parkinson's? You think this is the case with cerebral palsy? Yes. All neurological. All inflammatory processes.

And so if someone has cerebral palsy, they put them on what medication? Well, initially, you do a laboratory testing. If they wanted to go blindly, the Trikit, which is the three products, are probably the best way to start. And this is what I'm trying to... But they're also on a medication, right? If they've been treated or diagnosed with cerebral palsy, they would put them on something, right? What do they put them on? They might be on something. They might not? They might not be, okay? So oxygen deprivation, it's oxygen deprivation. We had one USC student who on his last semester at Marshall School of Business ended up going out partying, and his friends found him flatlined, and he had anoxic, he was recovered, anoxic brain damage. And he was like

a five-year-old kid when his mom brought him into the office. Six months later, he's back at USC finishing up his program. So it could have been that was his natural course. It could be that we participated in helping him to accelerate and better into improvement. Now, what about non-pharmaceutical, non-nutritional interventions? Like, is there anything like a hyperbaric chamber or anything like that? Yeah, HBOT, that's... We have a whole section of that in the movie as well. Yeah. Dr. Shear is in Northern California.

Yeah, San Francisco. San Francisco, who uses HBUT. And is that what you're saying? HBUT is hyperbaric? Hyperbaric oxygen therapy, yeah. We have people who have done well with it. We have people who have done well, and then after stopping it, they revert it. It's really, in my experience, Dr. Shear would say differently because he does it daily. I see it

occasionally. I don't see it being the key or a key, but I do believe that the combination of what we do with HBOT might be an accelerant, might be together beneficial to the patient. So it would be a study. We looked at it from the foundation's point of view because we wanted to do what was the most financially, you know, best solution fiscally, as well as the most bang for the buck, which is going to give the individual the best return. And it wasn't because we just wanted to do marks. We looked at everything and I've put myself in everything. It is the most sound thing you can do because it says drop inflammation, replenish what the brain's no longer making. What we found is over the years that if you don't do those first two steps, all these other modalities, if there's any type of

benefit, it's not sustainable, right? So this is step one, and those other ones will magnify the, could potentially magnify the effect. Now, that's just my observation, but that's how we looked at it as an organization to put our money behind. You know, electric stimulation of the brain. I did a lecture for the International Society of Neurofeedback and Research. We also had the top guy on Quiet Explosions for that as well. Yeah, and the issue was they would do this electro-stimulation, but it wouldn't hold. They'd do, you know, 50, 60 sessions of it.

It didn't hold. And the reason why it didn't hold is because the inflammation doesn't allow the neurons to function optimally. in correcting the biochemistry of the brain, what happened was you were getting a better sustained benefit from the technique, from the technology. And this is something that they're starting to look at. We're starting to see other entities that are talking about the neuroendocrinology that we started doing back in 2004, starting to see it's a key player. The only resistance that I would see coming from this is people that have a vested interest in

continuing the path that they're on now because they've got a financial interest in that. And also that it just, you're going to have to train so many people and it's complicated. Yeah. Well, that's why the program. But is there resistance? Are you getting something from the United States? Are you getting something? How many people are aware of this other than the podcast that we've done? Right. All the information you've gotten out there and your documentary and.

Because of you, we're in about 34 countries, our knowledge about what we're doing. And I send out newsletters to them to let them know that eventually we're coming we hope that the england uh uk project would have been the forefront wake up england yeah forefront fuck up bitch yeah i've been working with a group in madrid spain um who two doc three doctors i've trained there uh because their medical restrictions are less than in the UK. They're more latitude to do things. Canada, we've got eight docs that we've trained there, but they're very restrictive. DHEA and pregnenolone is by prescription only. What?

Yeah. And by prescription only and is compounded there. Meanwhile, weed's legal through the whole country. Yeah, it's crazy. Australia, it's illegal DHEA because it's a precursor to testosterone. What? In Brazil, Anna. DHEA is illegal in Australia? It's really complicated.

Illegal in Brazil. Illegal in Brazil? Wait a minute. In Brazil, you can get steroids. DHEA Is illegal What? Yeah Steroids

I don't know about steroids there In terms of Are you sure you can get steroids? I think it's like Mexico Legally? Oh I think it's one of those deals Just walk into a pharmacy

And request it Maybe it used to be And maybe it changed I'll take some Treblin I haven't been to Brazil in a while But I know they call it the bomba The bomba Bomba's

We're not waiting on the government or any governments. We're going to continue doing what we're doing. If it's got to be grassroots, it's got to be grassroots. We have a strategic plan to expand what we're doing and to grow it. But we're not going to wait for the government to come and get involved. If you are a veteran and you're somewhere in this country and you don't have access to Dr. Mark Gordon, what's the best resource? What's the best way to get started? They can go to the website and pick up a lot of information from the tbihelpnow.org,

and there's information about our TriPAC, and that's what we're doing right now, trying to get the impediment to starting our programs by having the core product readily available, and that's what the studies that we're doing last year in Kentucky and now with the Marines and then with two other organizations, military organizations, to prove. I was going to say we're going to prove this out, these statistics through special operations. We're going to do, through our own funded work,

we're going to prove that we have a significantly better solution. Correct. And these products aren't lining my pockets. The money is used. It funds our mission. Yeah. It funds my practice to be able to extend 81 people last year. I know you've treated a shitload of people for free.

It's very admirable the way you do it, the way you handle things. Yeah. I only need one bottle of scotch a month, so I'm cool. And a lot of times people just donate it. That's nice. But, yeah. We'll work for scotch. What's that?

Oh, yeah. We'll work for scotch. Single malt scotch is well worth it. But the mission is what I've done is I've written a grant application for the Department of Defense and haven't submitted it yet because I need some help. And one of the congressmen in the area that I live in, California, has stated that he'll help me once he was reelected. And he was reelected. Good Republican. And he'll help me to get the final parts done

so I can submit it. Well, now that you're in Houston, you also get Congressman Dan Crenshaw. I'd like to. I would love to connect you guys. I'd like to. Yeah, I'll send him this and connect you guys together. Yeah, it would be great.

I've sent him a copy of the book. I think we sent him a DVD. It hasn't. And then a couple of the SEALs who know him personally have reached out for him. But there's the turmoil that's going on in the United States, I think. There's turmoil? A little bit of turmoil, yeah. What's going on?

I don't know. But that's what they're telling me. There's a lot of craziness going on. And I think that's— Was there an election or something recently? Who won? I think it's under dispute. Oh, it's under dispute.

Okay. Yeah. Even saying that it's under dispute, people are like, shut the fuck up. Yeah. It is not under dispute. Yeah.

Or it is. They stole it. There's two camps right now. Yeah. So the TriPack is available online and it's what we're leading with right now in our non-office space because I can't practice in every state. So is there a list of affiliated doctors? Yes, they go to that team on the website and they'll see in every state where we have a trained doc.

We have an international group that's growing. How many trained docs in the United States do you have currently? I think there are 53, 54, and I've trained over 600. Oh, that's great. Yeah. They take the class, read the book, take the class, and then take an exam, which can take three days to complete. So the 600 is worldwide? Is that what it is? No, that's the many that you've trained.

That's how many I've trained. How many— They're not all practicing. No. Okay? No, that's the many that you've trained. That's how many I've trained. How many? They're not all practicing. No. Okay. Yeah, that's the problem. Because the information is so overwhelming, that's why the emphasis went into the program to make it easier for them.

I understand. So if you're in an area within a reasonable distance of you, there should be someone that can help you. Correct. And hopefully with this program and also I'll be training another group of docs in Miami, April 15th on our protocol and then introducing them to the computer program so they can use them both together, the didactic academic information and then the program to accelerate it. It's very bizarre to me that there's oftentimes these situations where one person and their

understanding of something changes everything. That you have all these soldiers with TBI. You have all these people with traumatic brain injuries. You have all these people with clinical depression, massive inflammation. the clinical depression, massive inflammation. You talked about all the papers that are published that clearly point to all this science, but yet it takes one guy to put it all together and push it forth. And there's not a lot of people that are shouting out

exactly what you're saying from the mountaintops. Even though all that science is there, I mean, this is all science-based. Yeah, and I think that the movie will help to open up the eyes and minds of people who do see the movie because it's so compelling. That's a lot of responsibility for you is what I was getting to. It's kind of crazy that you are the guy. I got three daughters. Jeez, that's responsibility.

I understand. I have three daughters too. Yeah, I know that. Yeah. If you need any help, let me know. What I'm saying is the responsibility of this, it's incredible that it's just you. That you're the one who's figured all this stuff out. I understand.

It's us. But I'm saying from the medical community. Correct. It's kind of nuts. And that's why- I mean, Andrew, doesn't it seem kind of nuts? Yeah. You know this guy and you found this guy

and he's the one who's putting all this together? I mean, it's like... Yeah, I... You know, when I went to... When we went to England, I brought a syllabus with 50 key articles put in order from A to B to C so someone who read them

would understand the thought process that I was forced to go through in order to learn and understand the simplicity. I mean, I don't mean to deprecate or downplay the science that I've been reading, but the simplicity is, it's like you have a car, you put gasoline in it, you put olive oil in it, you put water in it, and you expect you're going to drive. It's not going to happen. What happens to the brain when you have inflammation, it changes the chemistry, and that disrupts all the regulatory systems that we have, the control mechanisms, the communication that

says, no, frontal lobe, you're going to take the coffee, put it into the cup, put the sugar in there and put the hot water in it. You're not going to pour the hot water down the sink. It gives us, you know, our function, our ability to sequence things. And if you change the chemistry, you lose it. That's what happens in Alzheimer's by loss of pregnenolone, by loss of pregnenolone sulfate, progesterone, dopamine. So it's that simple. Correct the chemistry. It is, but even you've said that the information's overwhelming to the average doctor. Correct.

All I'm doing is, what is it? Consolidating it into something that's 50 articles, or I can consolidate it. You know, 10 articles up there talk about the inflammation and the precipitation of psychiatric illnesses very clearly. And it shows in every one of the labeled, and I don't label depression anymore or anxiety or bipolar, but in each one of these labeled conditions, they did testing and showed the inflammatory cytokines in each one then on the side they have those autoimmune illnesses Hashimoto's thyroiditis Crohn's disease rheumatoid arthritis psoriatic arthritis and when you block the inflammatory components not only does their

underlying autoimmune syndrome disappear but the depression associated with it disappears what more science do you need? Cause and effect. Yeah. I mean, it's all straightforward. It makes sense. Yeah. Even to someone like me that doesn't really understand what you're saying. Yeah. That's been usual. Yeah. So yeah, I got a personal bone to pick with this SOCOM suicide study. We're going to focus and do our best to show a different alternative for that. And then we're going to focus and do our best to show a different alternative for that. And then we're going to focus on supporting this in the homeless population and the incarcerated population.

We don't know which one we'll do first, but those are the next areas that we're going to continue to move into. So not only will we prove it in these domains, we're starting to move these other domains as well that we think will continue to help our effort to spread this spread this i said that about homeless people because this is the weird narrative that i always hear is we need to get them housing i'm like yeah well maybe but also is there other things that are causing them to be mentally disturbed addicted to drugs like self-medicating like what is going on what is going on with these people

yeah well we got linked up with a couple of the organizations in Texas they did their own internal Richard Troxell yeah their own internal study in Austin the homeless that was in Austin wasn't it I think so home the homeless or was it Dallas um they found out that up to half of the homeless had a documented head injury in their past and And that's pretty consistent. So is it the only reason? No, but it's probably a major contributing factor. We've been in dialogue with a guy by the name of Richard Troxell,

who was homeless himself, a veteran who was homeless, and developed this organization, House of the Homeless Veterans. So we've been in dialogue with him for three, four years, because this is something, if we can get them out of the homeless status, they'll be able to get back into life and do well. So, you know. There's great programs right now that are doing that. They don't have this component to it, so we're looking to add it. They're just housing them.

They're not addressing, as you stated, their underlying biochemical inflammation or the biochemical condition. It's barely a Band-Aid. It's like a wet Band-Aid. It's like you know it's not going to stick. And then a lot of times when they house these people, they tell them, well, one stipulation is you have to get off the drugs. Well, that's not easy. It's easier for them to be on the street and do the drugs. Yeah.

And this is what happens in a lot of these uh homeless encampments that they put together except in california and san francisco where they gave them alcohol weed and um cigarettes and cigarettes well san francisco is the most helpless and los angeles is rapidly closing in on what san francisco is like i mean san francisco is just fucking crazy right now and look at i think the greatest thing that happened just recently is we transported the district attorney from san francisco to los angeles yeah i heard there are these lawsuits about his prosecution practices and his there's uh yeah it's i don't understand i really don't i don't understand what the the long game is for california unless they're trying to kill it it's like they're turning it into a third world I don't understand. I really don't. I don't understand what the long game is for California,

unless they're trying to kill it. It's like they're turning it into a third world country. It's very strange. Maybe they want to succeed from the, they don't want to succeed, but they do want to succeed, but it's better if they're rejected. You mean secede? Secede.

Yeah. Secede from the union. Instead of seceding. Yeah. It's my list. Succeeding. Succeeding. Yeah. Succeeding is, it's my list. Succeeding? Succeeding. Yeah, succeeding is not succeeding.

Succeeding. Yeah, it's really confusing. What are your thoughts on this mRNA vaccine? It's the first RNA vaccine that we've had, and it simulates the spike protein, which we talked about earlier. The spike protein is what allows it to get into our cells. So if we have an immune system that will help to stop it from getting into the cell, then we win. So the question really is, is it such a new, it's the first time we had an RNA-based virus, a vaccine. So the question is, what's down

the road? There are people talking about it incorporating into our DNA, reverse transcriptase, going into our DNA and creating problems. There are issues with where it came from, how it was cultivated, how it was cultured, and it causing side effects. I've seen some pictures of something called monsterism or swelling of the face, allergic reaction. We always have allergic reactions from vaccines. A certain small percentage. Small percentage. But the real issue is understanding how vaccines work. They create an immune response. And in that immune response is the production of inflammatory cytokines. It's part of the mechanism by which our immune system responds to attack. We haven't seen this foreign protein that's being put into our bodies. So the body says,

immune system, go after it. And in the process of the immune system, it processes this foreign protein through macrophages to the lymphocytes to generate the antibodies. So if it's, as they say, it should be great. Absolutely great. Yes, there will be certain people have small percentage of reaction.

Do you think these side effects might coincide with all of the various factors you were talking about earlier that would lead to people having long-term COVID problems being inflammation issues? Yes. Like, because you're not fixing an inflammation issue by giving them this vaccine. Correct. You are giving their bodies ability to produce proteins that will help fight off that virus, but you still have this underlying problem of inflammation. So do you think that maybe this mRNA vaccine, along with having a protocol to reduce inflammation in the body, reduce these inflammation, inflammatory markers in the blood, that this should be a dual point strategy. Absolutely. And that's the brain care too. So what we're telling our patient population who

have elected to go and get the COVID vaccine when it's available, they're already on the brain care too, which has the anti-inflammatory products that help drop the production of cytokines to try and help mitigate some of the inflammation that is intrinsic to getting any vaccine. So if someone's going to get the vaccine without taking brain care too, just what are the issues that they need to like? The stack. The stack.

The stack. So quercetin, zinc, D3. Vitamin E and vitamin C. Vitamin E, fish oil. Yeah. DHEA, ascorbate palmitate. Correct. And all those different things.

And also reduction of the processed foods in the diet. Correct. And alcohol. Yeah. Diminishing alcohol. And all of those things would probably lead to, like I there was uh with the was the pfizer the moderna that had an 80 percent 80 percent of the people experienced some significant side effect meaning like fever and yeah i think it was the one that came out that got astrazeneca in europe this is

in the trials though um the bill gates was talking about it that there was, on the second, was it Moderna? The second vaccination, the second dose was where a lot of people had these body chills and aches and pains. You think a lot of that could be mitigated by reducing the inflammatory markers in the blood? Yeah. The second injection is to enact the animistic response, which means memory response. The first injection you get will create an immune response, but you're not going to get a really high level of antibodies to protect you. So on the second immunization, the body says, oh, I already seen this foreign protein before, so I know what to do, So let's do it. So it produces an exaggerated relative to the first immunization or vaccination, an exaggerated response. And that's why you get

more of the side effects afterwards. One of the thoughts about why people are getting with the first shot symptoms similar to the people who get both shots, is because they're not testing whether or not you've been exposed to coronavirus before. Remember, H1N1 is corona, SARS is corona. Remember that in 2009 or 11, they added H1N1 to our annual influenza vaccine, which is called a quaternary, four components in it. And a lot of people didn't even know that. So we're already being exposed to the coronavirus in a vaccine. So I already have that potential for an animistic response, the memory response. So when I get my first injection,

first injection of the new Corona-19 virus, my question is, is it going to interact with your prior injection and create this overwhelming response? Okay? So I've got out to a couple of virologists, whether or not, immunologists, whether or not that will work.

Is this just part of the issue with something that's being rushed? These things are things that they do consider when they go through a five-year trial period. They do. Like they normally do to create a vaccine. Right. How long did it take for the H1N1 vaccine to come out? People don't remember.

Six months. Six months. But it wasn't distributed. Why? You say coronavirus, right? But H1N1 is a flu. Is it the same thing? It's in a swine flu.

It's in a family of these coronaviruses. H1N1 is. H1N1 is. SARS is. So even though it's a flu. Coronavirus, right. Right. Because we generally, at least the uninitiated like myself, look at something like the flu virus and a common cold, a rhinovirus or a coronavirus.

We look at it in a different light. Yeah. They're all different, like influenza A and B. It's different than rhinovirus or enterovirus, different than H1N1. But H1N1, SARS virus, uh corona covid19 are in the same so it may be that people that have gotten a recent flu shot and then get the covid19 shot they react yeah that's my uh perception and you think that that also could be mitigated by reducing inflammatory markers in the blood yeah uh what really reduce it is when they have the finger antibody test that's accurate.

So it would mean going in, it's a $35 test, I believe, to get your finger prick and find out whether or not you already have the antibodies against coronavirus. Okay. But they're trying to say that COVID-19 is so unique, but in the coronavirus grouping, they all have the spike protein. The DNA is different. The RNA is different. That's the one thing difference. It's an RNA virus. Are you going to take it? I don't like that. I'm not taking it. Hell no. It will be based upon five years' experience.

Andrew, you were telling me that you did jiu-jitsu with a guy who tested positive. Yeah, true. So when you were rolling with him, was he positive? Yeah. That's bananas. And you didn't get it. Correct. And I got tested multiple times, no symptoms, and it's because of everything we've been talking about protocol that we're on and we

a lot of our people are the same way they're like we never got sick we're around people with covid well this is that's as intimate as you can get but that penetration that is so intimate yeah my daughter rochelle in her job with her partner ron, who gets full-blown COVID, she had nothing. Why? She had already been on the protocol. And so you think that protocol acts as a shield and protects you from— You need to see John Sulu's 17-minute video where he talks about how it works. Where can I see that?

It's up there. I sent it to you. If you go to TBI. What are we doing here? What's that? TBIhelpnow.org. And it's under, not the science, the last one is media. It's under media.

How bad did your friend get sick? The guy you're training with. He said that he had, not bad at all. Keep going. He said if he didn't know otherwise. Right there. He wasn't worried about his daughter. He would have been fine. That one right there.

Okay. Okay. Let's hear that. Play it. Oh, we don't want to do that. What's that? We don't want to play 17 minutes. No, no, no.

Move it forward to about two minutes. There, where it said zinc. There it goes. Okay. Look at the molecular biology of the cell once again. Here is the nucleus of the cell. And the nucleus of the cell is the DNA. The DNA is a double-stranded string of nucleotides,

which are the codes. Those codes are transcribed using RNA polymerase into RNA. That RNA then goes out of the nucleus, gets a five prime cap, and gets a three prime poly A tail, and it's ready for ribosomes to come on to read that code. And that code is then translated into the code of amino acids, which amino acid after amino acid will turn into a polypeptide, which turns into a protein. And proteins are how the cell gets things done. So it moves by proteins, actin and myosin. It can bind oxygen through

hemoglobin. It can do cellular metabolism. All of those enzymes in glycolysis, in the citric acid cycle, all those things that you learned in biochemistry, those are all enzymes. Those are all proteins. So that's the normal situation. Now enter coronavirus. Coronavirus has its own genome. It is made out of RNA, and that RNA just happens to have a five prime head and a poly A tail. So when it pops into the cytosol, it's going to be read by those same ribosomes that can't tell the difference. Except this time, instead of making a protein that's useful to your cell, this RNA that comes out of the virus is going to make something called a RNA-dependent RNA polymerase. And it's this enzyme right here that is going to read from the 3' end to the 5' end

of the viral RNA and replicate it. So this RNA-dependent RNA polymerase makes more viral genomes. It's also known as replicase for that reason. And there's something that has been shown to inhibit this replicase, and that is zinc. Zinc will shut down RNA-dependent RNA polymerase or replicase. And so that is what we learned. The problem is, how do you get zinc inside the cell? The problem with zinc is that it's an ion. It's a 2-plus ion. And ions cannot get through the cellular membrane unless there's a transporter that allows it to come in.

In fact, the way that they tested this in the paper is with an ionophore, which allows the zinc to come into the cell so they could see that the activity of this RNA-dependent RNA polymerase was reduced. This is the paper. Zinc inhibits coronavirus RNA polymerase activity in vitro, and zinc ionophores block the replication of these viruses in cell culture. When they looked at the SARS-CoV virus, that was the one that was seen back in 2002, as the zinc concentration inside the cell went up, you can see that the byproduct of the RNA-dependent RNA polymerase went down, down, down, clearly demonstrating that zinc intracellularly is going to block this very important enzyme of the virus. Well, that's great.

We've got zinc that's going to block it, but how are we going to get zinc inside the cell? It's one thing to say that you're going to take zinc supplements, but how do those zinc supplements, first of all, get absorbed into your body, into the blood, into the extracellular space, and then finally, how are you going to get that zinc from the extracellular space into the intracellular space in the cytosol where it needs to work on these infected cells and these viral proteins? Well, that's another thing altogether. What you need is some sort of ionophore or some sort of gated mechanism to open and to allow that zinc to come into the cell, increasing the concentration of zinc into the cell, so it can block RDRP. Well, enter this paper that was pointed out by some of you commenting,

chloroquine is a zinc ionophore. This paper was published back in 2014, and the point of this paper was something completely different. They weren't thinking about coronavirus. They probably didn't even know, perhaps, that zinc blocked RNA-dependent RNA polymerase. What they were looking at here is that zinc may help some of these cancer cells basically eat themselves in the lysosomes, which are sort of the trash compactors of the cell, and that by giving chloroquine you could have these cancer cells disappear well in doing that research they found out something that's very interesting to us because of that finding and this research came out of the university of oklahoma and some institutions in china so this is what they used chloroquine diphosphate. Here's the structure of that compound.

And this chloroquine is a medication that has been around for decades that is used to treat malaria. It's not under patent, and it's pretty dirt cheap and widely available. However, you do need a prescription to use this, and it doesn't come without side effects. What they show is that they were able to detect intracellular zinc by checking its fluorescence. Here on the x-axis, we have increasing concentrations of chloroquine, and the white bars represents those cells that were bathed in only five micromolar solution of zinc chloride. And the black was in 10 times that amount at 50 micromolars concentration of zinc chloride. And what you can see here is that in the normal situation,

if you're able to get some zinc into the cells, this is the amount of zinc you will see inside the cells. So this is the amount of concentration outside the cell. This is the amount of zinc you see inside the cells. So this is the amount of concentration outside the cell. This is the amount of zinc you see inside the cell. And let's just look at this same concentration, five micromolar. When you bathe the cells in chloroquine, you can see how much this intracellular

zinc concentration goes up. In fact, if you look at the amount of zinc inside the cell, by just adding a small amount of chloroquine here at 10 micromolar, we would get more zinc inside the cell than if we increase the concentration of zinc outside the cell tenfold. That's how powerfully chloroquine will increase intracellular zinc concentration. Now remember, this is chloroquine. This is a medication that's been used by millions of people already with known side effects, and it's pretty well tolerated. Here's another example from the article. Here we have the control group, the five micromolar—

I think we get it. Yeah. That's how you roll jujitsu, is somebody who has COVID and you don't get it. And you think we get it. That's how you roll jujitsu, somebody who has COVID and you don't get it. That completely makes sense. And this is all science-based. That also makes sense why people just taking hydroxychloroquine didn't have

a positive reaction. Benefits. Benefit, yeah. With the virus. Because there was people, there were studies that were saying, no, this stuff is not beneficial to people that are on COVID-19, that have COVID-19, rather. Here's the zinger. You need zinc. Here's the zinker.

Zinker. Zinker. One third of the world population are zinc deficient. we do intracellular zinc levels because it's important anti-cancer antiviral anti-dementia anti Alzheimer's helps the pancreas produce insulin helps testicles produce sperm and it's often testosterone mixed with magnesium why is that oh why they mixed it too yeah I don't get any with magnesium but magnesium is a positive zma it's zma zma has calcium magnesium and zinc in it yeah i believe it's because they all are transported with the with inofor and there's no inofor in it is there so it doesn't really work so it will what they

just showed you is some will get in but if if you wanted, that was the far left bar, you know, like this. Right. And then you saw this peak when they had the chloroquine. If you add green tea, curcumin, quercetin, bismuth, it'll help to increase the absorption of all of them. But you'll get a degree of absorption, as you saw, very little. So a lot of it's going down the toilet. So turmeric uh green tea quercetin something has to happen so when you're seeing these uh zma supplements or a zinc

supplement just taking a zinc supplement on its own is not really beneficial no you'll get a very small amount of absorption that's why there was a big difference between... Well, it's also the problem is fucking Trump. Because when he says something like he likes hydroxychloroquine, people are like, well, fuck that medication. And then they're not paying attention anymore. And on May the 3rd or May the 5th, when he was doing his Wednesday thing, he repeated what he was doing and he said,

and yes, zinc. Three times he said zinc. May the 3rd or 6th. I was watching his discussion on virus. So people were made aware that zinc. He was made aware of how important zinc was. But zinc without? Hydroxychloroquine, bismuth, or inofor.

Without an inofor, what happens is you get a meager amount of absorption. So radically reduced efficacy. Yeah. And in something like ZMA, putting a little bit of quercetin in it or turmeric for all the benefits that are on turmeric would help their product in absorption. So should someone take, whether it's turmeric or quercetin or whatever these things, you take them concurrently? Correct. Okay. You take the zinc and, you know, turmeric or zinc as we do with the quercetin.

And if you, what is it, Brain Care 2 has EGCG in it. So that's the green tea extract, EGCG. So it's a concentrate. Well, I think overall this podcast has been very beneficial. It certainly helped me a lot. I understand a lot more of this zinc stuff and the quercetin and

just so many different things. And I'm so happy that the message is getting out there, that there is hope. That there is, for all these veterans, all these people suffering from TBIs and a host of other issues, that there is some hope. There's something you can do. There's a lot of hope. In April, was it? In April, you were going to host at the American Legion's in North Hollywood, the launch of the Quiet Explosion. Yeah, right before we got shut down.

Right before we got shut down. And what happened was— Andrew was like, fuck it, let's do it anyway. I was like, oh, no. The night before they closed it, he calls me and says, we're doing this. We're doing this. I said, the government's not shutting us down. Yeah, he's not shutting us down.

We're going there. I said, but everybody's canceling their flights in because we had a lot of people. this we're doing this i said the government's not shutting us down we're going there i said but everybody's canceling the flights in because we had a lot of people but anyway uh this plaque uh was the thought of all the guys all the veterans and also some civilians who would have learned about what we're doing if it hadn't been for your generosity and keeping the word alive of what we're doing. So this plaque from Andrew and I to you from all the guys that you saved their life. Thank you. Well, thank you.

It's my honor. It's my pleasure. I will continue to help as much as I can. So whenever you need me, I'm here. So whatever you guys need, we'll get this word out. We'll get the word out whenever new information is coming out. We'll have you guys back on again. Hey, Joe, if I could, anybody who wants to visit our website who's interested in supporting our mission, it's waftbi.org. And we're looking to do several of these projects that we talked about. We're going to correct this issue in special

operations. We want to move into the homeless arena and incarcerated arena to bring this type of treatment there so we're looking for 1.5 million dollars for these next projects so anybody wants to get behind they can get more information uh on our website i love the fact that you're trying to incorporate it into other communities as well not just the veterans we've proven it out the movie talks about broadening it to a much bigger issue and now we're ready to go we've proven it it's much bigger issue, and now we're ready to go. We've proven it. We've proven it.

Now we're ready to go to the next and the next. Keep doing it. You guys are doing amazing work. It's amazing. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for being here.

Again, I'm honored. Thank you. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.