The Joe Rogan Experience - #1608 - Michael Malice

Episode Date: February 10, 2021

Michael Malice is a cultural commentator and host of the GaS Digital Network podcast "Your Welcome". He's the author of two books, "Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il", and "The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics", and co-author of many others.

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day hey fella hello how you doing so I knew you were gonna have an android phone because that's the type of personality that you have I still don't understand what that means. If everybody has an iPhone, you're going to get an Android phone. Because I'm better than everybody? No, because you're a contrarian. Can I be both? Yes, you're better than everybody and a contrarian.

And you also probably use a Windows laptop. I have a Chromebook. Ah, even more. Which was gifted to me by a fan. Thank you, Warren. Chromebooks are actually pretty logical because mostly what people do is scroll. Yeah. They just go online and scroll.

Well, I don't leave the house, so what do I need a laptop for? Are you completely locked down in New York City? Oh, I just meant because I love my house. It wasn't because of corona. This has been the case for many years. So you haven't altered your behavior much at all because of corona? Because this is what you've always done? Well, I've altered it in that I wanted to travel more, but everyone was closed.

There's nowhere to go. Are you worried about the virus at all? No. I'm worried about the response to the virus. And this has given some very, very bad people some very useful information about how much crap people put up with. Yes. And that we're at a point where it's just like, oh, yeah, you know, we're just going to open up, even though the metrics are worse than when we were closed.

But now double masks. Why not? And there was an Onion article from 99 that said, drinking dog pee lessens risks of cancer, snickering researchers say. And I'm telling you, if they told people to start drinking dog pee, people would be on Twitter wondering what the best breed. If Fauci said it. They would do it. Yeah, there would be a large percentage of the population that would be sucking some dog pee pee.

And would be yelling at you that you're not doing it. Yes. Because how dare you not drink the golden retriever pee, which is the golden standard of pee, to keep grandma from dying? Well, I think that's one of the things that's really fascinating about this pandemic is that it's happening during the time of social media, where we've never had anything like this before. Where groupthink is encouraged and enforced. And people, also, because of the pandemic, so many people are just online all day sure because they're unemployed or they're just they're at work from home and they're not really working they're just on twitter all day and you're seeing this like these really crazy behavior patterns it's

like people ganging up on people i don't think they're crazy at all i think you know i had this tweet where it was a huge backlash and i I said, if you replace the term coronavirus with Jews, all of a sudden the behavior of 1930s Germany makes a lot more sense. Because one of the big questions back in the day is how did Hitler pull this off? How did he convince a population of educated people to behave in just the most inhuman ways? people are given an excuse to assert dominance over other people for whatever reason, illegitimate in that case, somewhat legitimate in this case, they will champ at the bit to tell you to sit down and shut up and obey. It decentralizes the enforcement mechanism. I was on the subway in New York. I've been in New York all my life. I've never seen anything like this, where an older man in his 50s was yelling at an Asian dude who wasn't like into a rickshaw. He was just like a regular Asian dude standing over him, screaming, where's your mask? Go back where you who wasn't like it's a rickshaw. He was just like a regular Asian dude standing over him,

screaming, where's your mask? Go back where you came from. And it's like, if you're this concerned about the virus, why are you coming close to him? You don't care about the virus. This is your excuse to be dominant and aggressive over someone in the most despicable way possible. That's a lot of what you see in social media, right?

A lot of the really shitty behavior is an excuse to be shitty, like they found an in in order to exert their shitty behavior. Being violently anti-racist is the only way lowest status whites have an excuse to be dominant and better than somebody else. This is the one leg up they have. So this becomes their identity. You don't see it that much from people who are minorities or people who are immigrants, certainly people who are gay, unless they went to college. But you see it all the time with these lowest status whites, especially white women. They're tripping over themselves. Now they have a chance to yell at someone and feel empowered.

It's really reprehensible behavior. And if you want to stop this behavior, that's not the way to do it if you want to stop ignorant behavior educate people be friendly with them say hey you know what i come from this background you probably don't realize what you're saying but when you're saying this this you're talking about my grandma and when someone comes at you like that you're like oh crap i'm sorry you know i didn't mean anything you buy it and you've educated that person very quickly i don't care about that it's all all about dominance always. And what do I need to say to get you to do what I want? Yeah, and because of social media, they have this weird little outlet now where a person isn't just talking to someone on a subway. Now they're talking to everyone that's on their feed.

And a lot of people chime in that also want to reinforce this kind of shitty behavior. A lot of other low-status people that are finally getting their voice heard on something. And it's irrefutable. Like, wear a fucking mask! That's one of those irrefutable things. No one's going to argue with you. It's like, if you're wearing a mask, why do you need me to wear a mask?

It's like, you don't need a condom and a diaphragm, right? When we were kids, it would have been unimaginable for someone to say, I yelled at my grandparents at thanksgiving dinner for x y and z reason everyone would be like jock nerd whatever like what dude what is wrong with you and now they get applause now they'll go on facebook i told off my grandma i told off my so-called racist dad homophobic mom and everyone's like good for you for standing up

for yourself yeah no you're an ass yeah did you Did you see that TikTok of the white kid talking about how all white people are racist? Oh, yeah. It's amazing because it's a perfect example of that. It's illogical what he's saying, like that he's saying that he's racist just by virtue of being white. And it's so bizarre to watch because he's a caricature. He literally is like a parody. He's like one of those YouTube comedian parodies of the social justice warriors. It hearkens, I made the point that corporate America has done a much better job of importing

Maoist communism than the Chinese party ever did. But this was what Mao invented. North Korea still has it. They have these struggle sessions where you get up with other colleagues and you have to denounce yourself and say what you did that was horrible and they all berate you. And then you point out, oh, I saw Joe doing this, Joe, I saw Mike doing this. And this was their kind of community because it keeps everyone watching each other all the time and it keeps everyone so-called honest. And by honest, they mean subservient to the regime. And there was a phone call, conference call from Northwestern University, I believe, when all the law students had to get in the call and say, I'm white and I'm racist.

What? Yes. This happens increasingly where you are ordered to say you're at the very least racially insensitive. And it's like, let me tell you something. As an immigrant, this crap does not sit well with me. It's just totally foreign to my thinking yeah and it's such this as this relic of American puritanism you know this kind of like we're all such sinners and we have to denounce ourselves it's this weird mix of Woodrow Wilson and Chairman

Mao wow that's an interesting way of putting it but I think you're on to something the the the Korean uh North Korean mode of compliance compliance where they figured out a way to get people to rat on each other yeah this is what's also happening with social media they're getting people to turn in people for transgressions for oh yeah yes so it's it's the the lessons they're learning from like communist totalitarian states and implementing here are very disturbing i had yonmi park on my show this week she's the most famous north korean refugee yeah i've seen The lessons they're learning from communist totalitarian states and implementing here are very disturbing. I had Yeonmi Park on my show this week. She's the most famous North Korean refugee.

Yeah, I've seen her. She's amazing. And I was asking her what that's like. And she goes, starting at age nine, like once a week, you had to get together in front of your whole school. And you had to say, this is what I did wrong. They call it criticism and self-criticism sessions um or organizational life meetings they're different terms for it you get up in front of your school i'm yon me i did this wrong you know i didn't do my homework i dropped a pencil but then her friend has to get up and be like i saw yon me doing x y and z because you're not supposed to be an individual you're supposed

to be accountable everyone is accountable to everyone else all the time. And that's why people are like, why does a North Korea rebel? It's like if everyone is publicly spying on everyone else and once a week you have a meeting where you point out, and it's got to be something. If someone's a good person, you got to find something to denounce them.

It's like, where are you going to have the time and space to get together and plot anything? It's really genius when you think about it. It's like, where are you going to have the time and space to get together and plot anything? It's really genius when you think about it. It's very genius. This is one of the things when I wrote my book on North Korea, Dear Reader, I wanted to point out, like, people think, oh, these people are crazy. If you're crazy, you're not in power for 70 years. You're doing something right.

It's evil, but you've figured out how to manipulate and control the human mind. And she was telling me it's gotten much worse recently. I was hoping that since Trump met them, like, okay, please tell me it's gotten better. She goes, no, what they've done now is on the border, they've put electrified fencing and landmines so people can't cross the river into China, which they used to be able to bribe the border guards. Now, there's a very famous picture of the Korean Peninsula at night, right? South Korea shines brightly.

North Korea is like a black void. So they don't have electricity for the people who are starving, who had to manually farm. But they have electricity for this fence to keep them from escaping into—as if China is this big, wealthy, you know, place. So it's gotten worse recently. And I was very disappointed to hear that from her. How did she get out? She was sold into sexual slavery, raped. She had to go through China.

It was this really, really, really long path. Because once you step foot on South Korean soil, you can claim citizenship there. It's also really sick because every North Korean who gets to South Korea, they're treated like absolute, absolute garbage. As soon as they hear you talk with your North Korean accent, you're trash to them. So these people, they even have people who are immigrating back to North Korea because they have nothing going for them in the South. She even now lives in the West. She goes, I have Chinese friends. I have American friends.

I have no South Korean and North Korean friends, of course one from south korea because it's a very classist hierarchical society and you're the gutter and it's just like i don't want you associated with my family too bad loser it's it's really so as bad as it is for them there which is incomparably worse it's not like when they get there they're welcomed and treated like family they're treated horribly so this is just some leftover shit from the war no it's it's just like we treat poor like if you're like if you're in the deep south here and you go to new york all these new yorkers are like going to be holier than thou and hear your accent and assume you're dumb and assume you're in red and all these stupid stereotypes that people

from cities who think they're better than everybody else have when they hear like a thick accent like you don't you don't know this person they're got than everybody else have when they hear like a thick accent. Like, you don't know this person. They got to New York. They are interested in seeing something. Don't judge them just because of how they talk. You know what the worst thing is? Again, this is coming, being an immigrant, I keep saying that. Like when people make fun of doctors who have like thick accents, it's like this guy's practicing medicine in two languages.

I mean, this is a great genius. And you're like, oh, it's like, no, you're the idiot. So it's very, very sad. So they hear them talk and also they're shorter. So South Korea is the plastic surgery capital of the world per capita. So when they see the men, I think the average height in North Korea is like 5'4".

Probably because of lack of nutrition. Yeah, because they're all malnourished. And then they get to South Korea and the women are, I don't know how tall. They're screwed there too. Do you notice that? Like, you ever look at like World War II, the average size of men? I'll tell you something funny.

A buddy of mine smuggled a North Korean military suit out of North Korea and gave it to me and it fit perfectly. It fit perfectly. I didn't even have to get it tailored. fit perfectly. I didn't even have to get it tailored. Yeah, I mean, when you go into these old buildings like Monticello and Thomas Jefferson's house, the walls, the ceiling's just shorter. Well, I was in Italy in, I guess it was Florence?

No, maybe Florence. But they had, it might have been Rome, and they had these old suits of armor. And you looked at them and you're like, whoa, this is crazy. Like, these are the soldiers? Yeah, it's insane. These are like children. These are little tiny people because nobody had any fucking food.

Right. It was hard to get enough food to grow. Yeah, it's, you want to talk about little people? Do you want to talk about the elves? Elves? Like, which ones? The machine elves. Oh, okay. Because I want to talk to you about it because I've to talk about the elves? Elves? Which ones? The machine elves. Oh, okay.

Because I want to talk to you about it because I've been doing some research about this. Research? Yeah. What kind of research? Taking drugs? I would never take drugs. Oh. Drugs.

You know, if someone's on drugs, they say, what's wrong with him? Is he on drugs? Right. Is he a drug addict? You would never want to do that. Crazy people. Only crazy people do drugs. Yeah.

So do you think, you've done more to popularize DMT than anybody else. Do you think that these elves are real? I don't know if real is the right word. The question is, we look at consciousness and we look at, like, an intelligent entity as being in a physical carbon-based form that's in front of you that you can shake hands with or give a hug to right when you experience what happens when you take dimethyltryptamine you throw all that out the window because the environment itself is not it's it's it's there's it's not defined it's fluid meaning that it's changing constantly

but yet it seems far more vivid and far more real right than this life right now and there are these things that are there and they communicate with you. And they seem to be really communicating with you. And they seem to also know you, know all of your bullshit, and be able to see right through you. Yes. But they don't seem to be you. They seem to be something else. Right. That's all we know.

Right, but I'm asking you what you think. But that's what I think. That's all we know. There's no, you can't't like you could say that's a well of souls that's what happens when you die that's the afterlife that's a parallel dimension these are aliens that's how they can communicate with us they're they're non-physical life forms that exist in these realms of light we don't know it's just you're just guessing right well i've been talking to people and i've been told the theory that we are 3D beings,

but they're 4D beings, so that we're 3D projections of 4D beings. So when you're taking, you're breaking the veil, you are perceiving the 4D space. Maybe. But that's all you could ever say. It's really just a maybe. You know, when everybody You know when people say I know what that is I am communicating with the afterlife

Or I know what that is These are the real aliens This is what happens when you're sleeping And people have these alien abduction experiences What they really are having is An endogenous DMT dump Because your brain does produce DMT Right

But new research is showing that it's not just the brain that produces DMT. They used to think it was the pineal gland, but now they think literally the whole brain is producing it, and the liver, and the lungs. So it's part of the human body. It's something that the human body makes. They've been able to isolate it in specific organs, but they think this really bizarre,

super potent psychedelic compound is everywhere. And they also think it's responsible for dreaming. They think there's an amount of it that comes out while you're sleeping, while you're in heavy REM sleep. This is speculative. But the thing is, there's parallels, right? One of the parallels to the psychedelic states and dreams is that they're very difficult to recall.

You wake up and it's the most vivid – you come out of the experience, right? It's the most vivid thing that you've ever experienced in your life. And then moments later, you're like, I don't remember what happened. It's just like a dream. So you've never had – because everyone who takes it talks about the spirit molecule, right? How much it affects their understanding of reality and so on and so forth. You've never had lingering effects from the DMT experience cross over into meat space? You mean like tripping for no reason?

Or just seeing – the way I've been told is that like if you're on a highway, right? And there's all these billboards. You don't notice what those billboards are right but let's suppose you're on a highway in another country and you don't understand what those billboards are if you want if you want to because they're another language after you take it you are able to see those signs and perceive them and read them so that things in real life that you would previously been oblivious to you now pick up on connections that you previously couldn't. Well, I guess you could say that anytime you have a paradigm shifting moment in your life,

where you could have this from just from a near-death experience or the loss of a loved one where you're forced to reevaluate everything and look at things through fresh eyes, that anything like that is going to force you, anything that's just so titanically bizarre and ultimately incredibly different than your average day on this earth this thing that changes you it's gonna force you to take things in I would look at it that way more than I would look at it like all of a sudden you can like see these billboards in another country and recognize these patterns I mean you're just probably just being more aware marijuana does that for me more than anything okay you know especially edible marijuana edible marijuana for me is like uh one of the the the most reality highlighting

experiences because it makes me think about the buildings like this is i just take these fucking things for granted yeah yeah there's a-story thing in front of me, and there's these human catacombs, and people are shitting into these tubes, and they go down through the water, and there's pipes everywhere with human shit, and then there's electricity pumping through everything, and everyone's got a TV or a PlayStation running, and we're all just juiced into this machine. Yeah, the Matrix.

Yeah. I think of people as human batteries all the time. I really do. I think of people as consuming currency-producing batteries. Like that's what we do. We're consuming things, taking things in, and then we're also, this state of consuming and producing, consuming and producing, and then adding to this weird techno society that we live in.

That's all from weed. Okay, but let me ask you another question. Let's suppose I drew in a piece of paper. I drew you, and I drew me, and I drew a house, right? And I said, what does what correspond to? And you'd point to that, and you'd say is what correspond to? And you'd point to that. You'd say, that's me. And you'd point to that.

You'd say, that's Malice. That house has no correspondence in 3D space. It's a theoretical house, right? Okay. What if some of these people that you're talking about don't exist in the 4D space? What if they are 3D representations that don't have a representation in 4D space, just like that 2D house I just drew, doesn't really exist. Okay, so what if they're like...

What is that? NPCs? NPCs, yeah. What if they literally don't have a higher form of existence? Isn't that like your ego fucking with you, though? Well, that's what I'm asking you, because apparently when people do a lot of DMT, they see things like this.

Oh, do they? Yeah, that's what I've heard. Yeah, I've met people that see lot of DMT, they see things like this. Oh, do they? Yeah. That's what I've heard. Yeah. I've met people that see things on DMT that were very ego-driven. Like I knew a guy who had a crazy DMT trip and he felt like he had a team that was working for him in this other dimension. And they were all about him and they're helping him and they're all together with him. And that like,

you know, his life, he has destiny in his life and he has to fulfill his destiny and they're working to fulfill his. I'm like, this is like some weird ego driven idea of what's happening in this space. That he's like sort of, he's forcing whatever that experience was to fit this mold of what he,

he thinks of himself. And by the way, it wasn't very accomplished at the time. So thinks of this as delusions of grandeur. Of course. I know it well. Yeah. But this is, I think, a kind of some sort of a reconciliation of that. Like he's sort of trying to figure out why it's not happening the way he wants it to happen

and what is wrong, but yet also tripping and seeing these entities and saying, oh, they're all with me. They're going to help me. They're working with me on all of my plans. And this is all my team and my team. It was very strange. So I never felt like that at all. I felt every time I've done it, it's like, here's all your bullshit.

Oh, yeah. Look at you, loser. It's highlighted all. No, it's never like you're so great and we're so honored to be talking to you, Joe Rogan. It's like, dude, get over yourself. Yeah, you ain't shit. But I thought that there are some people who basically become chiropractors of reality so if he's like you're gonna help me achieve my goals and you're behind me that's nonsense yeah but if

he's there to help them achieve their goals that's a whole very different perspective yeah sure yeah so like that kind of thing where like just awesome things happen to you, not what you would want, but you're basically an agent of bringing about positivity and kindness in the world. Hmm. Yeah. Well, I think the more you can do good things, right, the more you can be an agent of kindness and positivity, the more you're going to literally spread out the fingers and branches of love. Right. And if you do do that and then you do have psychedelic experiences, I would imagine if you've made a positive shift like that, your experience would be much more positive when you go into that dimension. Right.

Yeah. Are we stealing Lex's vernacular? In what way? Just talking about love. No, well, Lex is all about love, though, isn't he? He's interesting. I love that guy. I love him so much.

He's amazing. Well, no, this is why it's different for me. Lex Friedman, for those who don't know, I've become very close to the mirror recently because having someone from the same background as me you know he's from ukraine jewish as well you know a little bit nerdy like it's having like if you found out your dad had a secret family and you have this cousin so i i usually could be his cousin too i could i'd pay you dna i mean the jews are all inbred over there so he like texted me yesterday good luck tomorrow like he people don't appreciate and i don't understand given his soviet blood which is just ice cold it has to be how good-hearted he is how kind-hearted he is he's no dummy uh he's not naive no no i just i i just am absolutely so glad that we've become pals

and I'm scared I'm gonna be a bad influence on him how so because there's a purity to him and whenever I see like um pure people part of me and my Russian sadism comes out and it's like okay let's see how pure you are huh

you want this apple it's a good apple oh he'll be fine oh I'm not too worried but like when you see how pure you are huh let's see what you want this apple it's a good apple oh he'll be fine oh i'm not too worried but like i when you see someone who you you appreciate as a as a friend and you become a fan of that person you really want to be sure you get protective of them let's put it that way i'm very protective and he doesn't need my protection right uh he's a martial artist he's great at all this stuff but it's still like i i'm sure you're the same way like when it's not easy getting to our position and you're like a thousand times more important than i am but you know though you surround yourself with people who are strong and and you

you you i'd rather take the bullet than somebody else not literally in this case i know what you're saying yeah i well i i one of the best things about this podcast is being able to elevate people's profile and to be able to like get guy like that, like Lex, and let people know this guy, this is a special person. This is an MIT scientist who works on artificial intelligence who's also fascinated by love. He's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. And he's got a brilliant podcast. Black belt, black suit, black tie. Yes, dressed like John Wick. podcast and and you know and he's black belt black suit black tie yes just like john wick i mean his

his podcast has really been one of my favorite go-to shows on youtube now i think it's amazing he and he has my favorite all-time interview with commander david fravor who's the guy who saw the tic-tac ufo off the coast of san diego he's the fighter pilot from the navy and it's a fucking incredible interview because they get into all the nerdy details of avionics uh they get into all the details of the equipment and how it all works and how he can he could see that this was an intelligent thing this is not a it's not an illusion he it was blocking his radar and they get deep into the weeds of what this thing was. And then the spectacular capabilities of it. The fact that it showed no hint of propulsion. There's no evidence whatsoever of a heat signature.

There's nothing that could indicate why it could move the way it could move. And then when he went into the details of the actual physical movement of it, And then when he went into the details of the actual physical movement of it, that it went from somewhere in the neighborhood of 60,000 to 80,000 feet above sea level to one foot above sea level in less than a second. Oh, wow. And then vanished quickly afterwards and then appeared at his preordained coordination point. main coordination point so the the the like the tracking system that he had when he locked onto this thing i don't know if it was able to read his computer or if it knew an advance but it literally showed up 30 miles away where he was supposed to be after it had had this encounter with him it goes directly to that spot they're in the middle of the fucking ocean yeah yeah yeah right i mean it's not a coincidence they're off the middle of the fucking ocean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? It's not a coincidence. They're off the Nimitz.

They're flying off these aircraft carriers. And this fucking thing goes to his coordination point. Like it knew where to go. Like it's saying, hey, fuckface. I want you to see me. I want you to see me. My grandfather was an air traffic controller in the Soviet Union. And he said, yeah, these aren't dummies.

These are highly technical, highly skilled professionals. They know noise is you know yeah let's pretend one time it's statistical noise but he's like we saw this kind of stuff all the time and we knew it wasn't the americans because you had some idea of what the other country was about so what i really hate is when people are so skeptic it doesn't have to be aliens but at the very least we have data from really smart people who are whose job it is to observe, who have been doing it for decades, and they have had decades of data. If you're seeing something that they can't explain, you don't tell me it's a stork. Right. Yeah.

Well, these people that are professional debunkers, their debunking of things is so preposterous sometimes. It's like it's a religion in and of itself. Right. sometimes it's like it's a religion in and of itself right because they're they're deciding that they're going to by any means necessary make this thing to be nonsense they're going to find some nonsensical explanation for this that makes it nonsense and not even realizing while they're doing that that they've become nonsense like no you you have a thing that is being tracked by the most sophisticated tracking systems we have for war. And it's showing incredible abilities that we don't understand. We have no comprehension of. And there's more than one physical recording of these things.

There's multiple recordings. There's multiple videos of them. And apparently there's some that they're trying to, there's some debate about whether they should or should not release them. And these are discussions that are being held amongst like senators and high-level politicians and people in the Pentagon. reasons why on the coronavirus um this uh the the pandemic relief bill they wanted to have in a thing where the cia has to release all of its ufo files within 180 days which is like what the fuck is that doing in a covid relief bill what is that doing in there what's doing there because these fucking people are they're aware that there's an issue. Yeah. And they want all the information. And they're like, okay, we will give this relief. But we want something and we want to know what the fuck you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you know? Because the New York Times prints this article that shows, you know, these images they've captured or this thing moving that is showing no heat signature at all at a preposterous rate of speed right over the ocean, just fucking zipping across the sky. And they're like, what is this? Like, tell us what the fuck this is.

There was a, Penn and Teller used to have a show called Bullshit. And I'm a big fan of both of them. And it takes a lot to get me angry, to get me triggered. But there was one episode of that where I was like really, really angry. Because there was a couple of older dudes in like their 50s. they would go on loch ness once a week in their canoe and hang out and look for nessie right and one of them had a theory which is stupid that the loch ness monster is a male moray eel which was sterile so it grew really big and penn's there teller's quiet of course penn yelling like oh what a moron this doesn't make sense i'm like wait this is who you're going

after two dudes who go on a lake and hang out and are friends like this is like frog and toad right this is like the epitome of humanity where you're enjoying nature you're looking around you're with your friend you enjoy each other's company this isn't the enemy you know the vituperation i was just like oh dude this and pen is his credit is good about like he's like you're right i'm a man of peace i shouldn't have done that so but that really still sticks with me like 10 years later he's more of a man of peace now than he's ever been before right what do you mean no without he's a vegan he's lost a ton of weight he's a vegan yeah yeah that's very sad well i think it it helped him lose a lot of weight and he just uh has decided

he doesn't want to play any part in animal death anymore vegans still take part in insect death and they in animal death too yeah there's a lot of burrowing animals that get destroyed well any monocrop agriculture here's how you can be if you don't want to be a part of any animal death grow all your own food mammoth pen oh well that's dead animals that's been that is a dope pen let me see that is that a mammoth tooth giraffe wallet oh giraffe yeah nice what else do i have on me this is beautiful yeah so that is a fossilized mammoth tooth yeah it's this mammoth looks i think you don't have to. Right. Float Hill Antiques is the guy. That's gorgeous, man.

That's so pretty. Giraffe. I may have seal leather shoes at home. Seal? Leather, not fur. So the leather's okay, but the fur is illegal? Is that what happens?

No, they're both illegal, but it's vintage. Oh, you can get like old, you can buy old ivory. They used to have an old ivory band. Ivory is much more regulated because you need to have a certificate and it's a whole process. The seal leather shoes, you just got them on eBay. Yeah, for whatever reason, ivory was always a big ingredient in pool cues.

Well, that's why they invented plastic. You know that, right? Really? You didn't know this? There's a book called Plastic and it's like the reason plastic. How many uses does plastic have? Just look around. Not even just the hospital with the IVs and syringes and everything. They were running out of ivory to make the balls.

Billiard balls. Billiard balls and the white ball that strikes all the others. So they invented plastic. I think it was out of the residue from chimneys, like that stuff that they make purple ink from back in the day. Really? Yes. So billiard balls. your balls thanks to bill your balls everything around us how many lives have been saved yeah wow that's that's that's crazy it's also kind of great how creative people are where it's like okay average just elephant teeth right so you would think they could just get like pig teeth or something they're like no we're going to invent this whole new thing and the positive effects and i can hear all the environmentalists right now what about the ocean yeah i get it i get it that's a problem i'm not arguing it's not a

problem i'm just saying if you think how much plastic has furthered mankind in so many ways i've never experienced ivory pool balls but old tim-timers, when I used to play, would talk about the different ways that ivory balls would react. Oh, yeah. It's going to have to. Yeah. Plastic. Phenolic balls. Phenolic balls.

It's like the balls you get. Like, see if you get like Brunswick makes a great set of balls. Those balls are very heavy, dense plastic. It's very hard to chip or scratch. I'm sure the piano probably would be differently because it's a different weight. Oh, yeah, yeah. It would be way different.

Now, new pianos, they must make with plastic, right? Of course. It's been for a while because that's going to be a lot of ivory to fill that keyboard. But I wonder if, like, tickling the ivories, right? That's what it's called.

I wonder if those old pianos are frowned upon or are they cherished? They've got to be cherished. Anything old that's in good condition, people have bonus for. I don't think people get weirded out by the fact that an elephant was murdered to make these keys. And you're sitting here hanging on to it. I don't know. Yeah, I guess they don't put two and two together, right?

They stopped using it in pool cues. A lot of manufacturers have. They use something called elfrin which is like a synthetic ivory yeah yeah uh it's a synthetic ivory it looks like ivory but it's a plastic so it has like a subtle grain to it that sort of mimics ivory it's indistinguishable and they make they make uh like pen blanks out of it and and um i didn't know that was that was the name like all sorts of faux ivory stuff they still make out of it shaving brushes it is weird though it's like i i remember i had a a jacket on once

that jacket coat how do you remember that that was from uh just shoot me no that was friends no i was on just shoot me i had a jacket coat i thought you were dating rachel no no no no you see you have a false memory oh wow i thought it was friends i think it was named laura san giacomo yeah this yeah okay that was that's where it's from okay yeah yeah um anyway i had a hood and the hood had this fur liner but it was fake fur and this woman said to me uh i i don't like your fur i go well it's fake fur she goes well i don't like what it represents i'm like what killing wookies the fuck are you talking about it's fake fur you don't like what it represents that it

represents fake fur like what kind of conversation are we having here but she's watching on the street um no i was at a comedy club i'm like you got in trouble you just got busted like being judgmental on something with i don't have anything that's fur but this is what we're talking about before this is our chance to be dominant over you exactly and put you in your place for no reason yeah for a hood yeah do you think i'm out there strangling muskrats to make this fucking thing like what are you talking about it was so obviously fake too it's just was it really i thought so i mean it just didn't look real it's it's very sad how many people feel the need to um and i say this somewhat tongue-in-cheek put others down to make themselves feel important yeah it's a weird uh tendency that you know i've fallen for i've done it

definitely like when's the last time you did it it's been a long time but i guess when you you're making fun of people and you get a big laugh you're kind of doing that yeah i mean that's that is part i mean you can say it's under the guise of humor and it definitely is and it is a part of the game look if you're a comic like if you shit on someone on twitter and and people read it and laugh i read your twitter all the time you're ruthless but it's funny i think it's funny and i always wonder who actually reads it all the time here's the other thing jeb bush followed me on my birthday just like we're talking before the show like i woke up in the middle of the night like 8 a.m middle of the night to go pee i check twitter and it says jeb bush followed you and i think it's

okay someone who's using jeb bush as a handle but he has got the check and i look and jeb bush he follows like i thought okay maybe he's got a bot that he follows like 10 000 people you know what i mean right and i look he followed like 300 people and i I DMed with him. And first of all, Jeb Bush gets a bad rap because he's dorky, but he's not like a douche. He comes from a blue blood family. He married someone who didn't speak English. He is goofy. But if that's the worst you could say about someone being goofy, that they're doing pretty good. I messaged him to get on my show.

He didn't want to do it because politics is so screwed up. And I'm always scared that he's unfollowed me because it's kind of like you know i am pretty ruthless and it's just like oh megan kelly unfollowed me and i don't blame her i do tweet a lot yeah what did you say i don't know she just followed me one day then i looked again it was gone i'm like megan i don't blame you i do not blame you at all seriously it's a dumpster fire she's on a uh podcast run now she's doing everybody's podcast and also doing her own. Yeah, she had Bridget on. She had my buddy Ben Dominich on.

I do a podcast with her, but I want to do it in person. I thought she was going to come on here. Yeah, we were talking about doing it, but I think she wants to do it virtually. What is that? Yeah, I'm not interested in that. No, no, no. Oh, oops, I'm getting a call. Bye, Joe.

I want to stare into the ice queen's eyes. Yes, and there'll be blood shooting out. I'm actually a fan of her in many ways. I think, you know, she has a strong backbone. And I don't agree with her on a lot of things, but I admire her backbone. You know, that she stands up for things. She, by all accounts, got to where she was because of her hard work and talent. Yeah.

There was that movie where, like, Roger made a pass at Roger Ailes. She wasn't having it and he still gave her the promotion. She had great ratings. It was really sad when they were trying to make her out to be like your gal pal next door. She fucked up when she went over to NBC. That was a disaster. But I just, I think the cash. Oh, yeah, sure.

They came with that long cash cash but they wanted to change the essence of her show right and now it all of a sudden it became like they didn't want a republican show she was a staunch republican over at fox news she was the ice queen yeah you know and they wanted her like oh i'm dancing and it's just like oh no no i thought it was interesting though that like the show became sort of it seemed like there was a lot of conflict that you could sort of see with the network while the show was on the network and they were like looking for an excuse to get rid of clearly were because what she said was taken a little bit out of context for sure it was taken out of context and

wasn't that big of a deal it was a question like what like she was saying why can't you be like diana ross for halloween that's essentially what her question and her point was correct that when we were kids like on um what's happening joey lawrence was in blackface sarah silver used to be in blackface like this this was a teaching but when the kids did on the sitcoms it was a teaching moment like hey this is something you see don't ever do it it's wrong now if you did it

in that context it's just unthinkable so she was asking why was it acceptable not that it's good but that you could show it in our context right

at least that's what I thought she was saying maybe I'm giving her too much credit no I think she was basically saying like why is it offensive to dress up as a black

person you admire for Halloween? Like, why can't you be Mr. T? Right. You can't. You just can't. And it's not – dressing up like Mr. T is not blackface. Right. What blackface is is minstrel blackface, like the Al Jolson shit.

like the Al Jolson shit. And if you watch that, you understand. Look, if someone's wearing white gloves and they have these big white lips and their whole face is black like coal, what they're doing is a different thing than someone pretending they're Mr. T. That's blackface. Right.

When you're pretending you're Mr. T, you're just wearing a costume. If you want to be Diana Ross, you're wearing a costume with makeup on. But the thing is, I don't even think, like, do you know what happens with bodybuilders? Do you know about this? What do you mean?

I know a lot. What about them? Bodybuilders used to wear blackface. They used to tan everything. Right. Now, they tan their whole body up to the face. They do chocolate body. Me and Brendan Schaub went into a fucking hysterical fit laughing they do

this not so the face doesn't get dark yes wait they just had mr. Lippe you're saying there was a line dude it's bananas the white don't use that word in this context the white guys go up to the neck they They'll even do black neck, but they won't do black face. Oh my God. Yes. I have a... Yes, look at that guy's face. That's real.

That's not Photoshop. This is what they do now. Women, men, everybody. They go all the way up to the face, but they don't do the face. Wait, what about the black bodybuilders? Do they get to do it? Well, black bodybuilders are black.

But they're not that black. It doesn't matter. You make yourself blacker. Wait, I have an acquaintance who competed in Mr. Olympia, Antoine Veylant. He was a big fan of the show. Hey, Antoine. Hey, Antoine. I think he tans everything.

He's Canadian. So he doesn't know any better, like Justin Trudeau? Just following orders, Mr. Prime Minister. Wow. Holy. Is this. I don't. Can you pull up the Mr. Olympia?

Because I don't think they were looking like this. This might just be like the lower tiers. No, no, no, no, no, no. No one is going to take that chance and wear blackface. It used to be what they did. I mean, the greats like Dorian Yates. All of them. His face was dark as fuck.

All of them, dark as fuck. Look, you can tan. There, he's fine. Look at his chin. It's white as fuck. I think that's the lighting. No, no, no. That's his way out.

If I just have only the mouth. I don't like a goatee. I have a white goatee. There he is on the left. He's the same color. Yeah, but see, that's probably... No, no, no. His face is white, bro.

I don't... Oh, come on. You seriously think there's a line? 100%. Look at his thigh. Look at his right thigh and look at his face. They're two completely different colors. There's no doubt about it.

Now, I'm sure he actually tans as well, but that shit that they put on is like a dye. I'm telling you, Shob and I, we investigated this. There's a video of it online. I'm going to DM him right now. Yeah. There's a video of it online, and then there's a cartoon that Polytoon made. And we are just in hysterics. We can't stop laughing at these people with their chocolate body.

Oh, okay. But when is that going to become a problem? When are you going to get canceled for wearing chocolate body in the past? He's reading it right now. Do you's your face this is us look at this cartoon rogan is saying bodybuilders are scared who are you talking to antoine antoine veyland who's that uh the he's the one we just showed he's in a mr. Olympia. Oh, you know that guy? Yeah. Tan. I've got friends in all locations.

All right, it's Tan, your face. But he wrote in all caps, but it is not like blackface. I told you. Look at this one. It's black body. Look at this lady. He's writing in all one. It's black body. Look at this lady. Look at this lady. He's writing in all caps.

It's black body. Okay. So just to clarify. Yeah. So this is real. Yeah. Wait. You tan face and body the same?

No way. Look at this lady. That's not him. He just sent me a picture of himself There's no way he tans face and body the same I'm asking him We got a pro here He's a liar

He's not a He's a He's a good bro He's a stone cold liar No he's a good bro He doesn't claim natty or anything Just Oh he's typing

He's typing There's gonna be a novel This is gonna be great Oh my god There's no way He's wearing that dark dye on his face impossible never happening okay he's typing we got the dots we asked the pro we'll find yes a bit lighter but people who don't do it we call the light bulb effect let's see what that means

europeans do it more for some reason so it's not a blackface thing. It is a blackface thing. He said it all caps. It's not a blackface thing. Listen to me. It is a blackface thing. I'm listening to Anton. Because before, they all did it. They all had dark faces.

Let's go to some old fun. Go to 1995 Mr. Olympia. I'm not arguing that. Listen, they all used to have their face a uniform color with their body. They do not do that anymore. And the reason why they don't do it anymore is because of fear being called out for wearing blackface. They have this bronze DreamTan, which looks like they smeared themselves in shiny, glittery shit, the Europeans.

Okay. Okay. He's trying to obfuscate. He's using the Europeans. Like, I want to see some... Look at that. See? Look at that guy. That guy's got blackface on. That guy's a nobody. What's his name? I don... Look at that. See? Look at that guy.

That guy's got a black face on. That guy's a nobody. What's his name? I don't give a fuck. He's jacked. Oh, no, but yeah, whatever. That guy is wearing full... Well, these guys are all black, Jamie.

We'll get some white folks. Look at that guy. That's Dennis Wolfe, yeah. Black as fuck. Look at their faces. Pull up this year's Olympia, and we'll see. Okay. Let's go.

So, 2021... Or 2020. Or 2020. Mr's Olympia and we'll see. Let's go. 2021 or 2020. Mr. Olympia? Who won Mr. Olympia 2020? Big Rami. Rami? That guy's gigantic. That guy's in the middle probably. Look at that white face.

The guy on the left is white? Two guys on the left are white. The face is the same white but he's look at the white face is the same no that guy the guy in the middle of the face is the same that guy in the middle looks like he's probably uh latin american or brazilian or something like that let's find out who that guy is that's 2012 that's like that's 212 pounds that's not the heavyweights oh was that different yeah they have two classes two guys with white face there look at the guy on the far left. Black body, white face. I don't think the face is that...

Shut your fucking whore mouth. Look at his face. You sound like my dad. Look at his face. It's so white. Okay. Wait, wait. Hold on.

He's going to send me pictures. He's talking nonsense. He's sending me pictures. Okay. For sure he darkens his face. Maybe it's like red face face maybe he's doing some Native American cultural appropriation shit it's called Eskimo up there oh he's from Montreal look at that white face white face I don't think that's white face yeah white face the best tanner spray tan pro tan and I hate that part oh I hate it Joe told me to shut my whore mouth Shut my

My whore Mouth Thank you for ruining my episode Look at this guy Come on son But he's not a Mr. Olympia competitor Okay whatever he is Jack with a white face

Physique that's men's physique What is the difference they have got um the the gorillas then these are trying to look still pretty then there's fitness there's like four of them oh there's a different category so there's really giant guys and then there's like normal looking athletic where they don't show the quads because they're in the board shorts yeah pull them up he wasn't showing quads what is this nonsense they make fun of that so they're trying to look aesthetic yeah they don't show the quads. Because they're in the board shorts. Yeah, pull him up. He wasn't showing quads. What is this nonsense? So they make fun of that. So they're trying to look aesthetic. Wait a minute.

They don't show their fucking quads? They wear board shorts? Yes. Shut the fuck up. This is real? They skip leg day like Madison Cawthorn. Oh, what is going on? Why are they wearing board shorts?

Because that's the stage outfit. What the fuck is that? That is so strange. The stage outfit. What the fuck is that? That is so strange. The stage outfit is... Listen, stop DMing someone who's not even here while we're on a podcast. Fine. Let it go.

But I think he'd find it funny that you're laughing at men's physique. It is hilarious. It is hilarious. If you want to... I'd say it. It is fucking hilarious. Fucking hilarious.

By Samsung. Yeah. Your contrarian phone. If someone gave you an iPhone You'd be like I'm not using it I don't use Apple products Would you?

You would right? Come on Tell me you don't hate Apple products In that voice I don't use Apple products I'll tell you what Apple has a commitment

To privacy That is admirable I have an iPod Yeah That I use From the 20s Is that bad? an ipod touch is it on wood what the fuck are you talking about okay i funny you just said that my friend is from

czech republic simon and his great grand his grandparents are still mad because his mom was dating someone and this is communist czechoslovakia back in the day they were very proud of themselves that an electric calculator and they had a special velvet bag and they would plug it into the wall for it to run and he goes, oh, does it run on coal? And they never forgave him for this and for 20 years they're like, I've never liked him because of that.

God. Imagine holding a grudge on something that's actually just kind of funny forever. Never liked him. I've done that. Marking my calculator. I think I've done that marking my calculator what have you done about having grudge for people about things that that wasn't really funny really sounds like something i would do i can't think of any off the top of my head when's the last time i got really held a grudge for someone and got ass mad about it it's been a i can't nothing comes to mind

but it's got to be there but a calculator imagine like caring someone mocks whether your calculator plugs into the wall but it's like this is your pride and joy like in these poor countries like i've got this calculator it's electric i had to work for three years right okay i see yeah that's sad that's yeah and he got deported so i feel bad for simon oh did he yeah back to czech republic I said, get out. What happened? Well, he was here on some kind of visa. He had a job. And basically, it wasn't good enough.

And they said, get out. Wow. Yeah. And he's overseas in Prague. Dude, the conversation that I had yesterday with Francis Ngannou about escaping Cameroon, making his way to Morocco, and being arrested seven times trying to escape Morocco and go to Spain. Oh, because that little piece of land that's technically Europe in the north of Spain,

north of Africa. They would take them after they arrested them, they would hold them, and then they would bring them to the fucking Sahara Desert and drop them off. And they did that to him seven times. They literally tried to kill them.

They tried to drop them off in the desert. No food, no water, no nothing, no clothes. They did it in the winter. They did it in the summer. In the winter, it's horrific because the temperature drops to an insane level. And they have no transportation. They have nowhere to go.

And these Africans are doing this on a daily basis, making this journey from whatever country they're in in Africa to try to make it to Europe. And he did it over the course of 14 months. And he outlined this 14-month journey of homelessness, living in the forest. Dude, it was fucking crazy. Crazy. Do you know about Eritrea, which is southern Ethiopia? crazy do you know about eritrea which is southern ethiopia so the only reason that came across my desk is there was an article and it said this is the only country where journalists are less free

than in north korea i'm like whoa am i getting the silver now and what they did is they took the journalists put them in steel cages and left them in the desert bye and it's it's no one knows about this place what's amazing about erritrea is... They took the journalists and put them in steel cages and just left them to die. Bye-bye. But the capital of Eritrea, when Mussolini took over Ethiopia, it's a perfectly preserved Italian city. So there's this

fiat factory that they convert into a museum. So when you're in the capital, Asmara, you're like in the Riviera or whatever, some European city. And as soon as you step out, it's hell on earth. But North Korea overtook them, took back the lead of

worst country for journalists. But it's a fascinating country that no one knows about and the oppression there is absolutely insane. How many journalists have they killed? I have no idea. This wasn't recently. This was a while ago. And it's the only country, I think, with no foreign journalists in it. The thing that drives me crazy and i know you agree is that there's so many people who like read the new york times or the new yorker and they think

they know everything about the world because they just read the same publication everybody else does where there's so many places that are so barbaric like turkmenistan whatever that it doesn't cross your desk so you don't even think it exists or it matters. It's like, well, I'm sure I would have heard of it. It's like, no, no, no, it just isn't sexy enough for someone to cover. And these people are basically resigned to having a nightmare existence. Not that necessarily we could do anything on an individual level. And it's just horrible. Yeah, there's a lot of them. And the unfortunate thing is, It's horrible.

Yeah, there's a lot of them. And the unfortunate thing is there's too many to really follow. If you spent your day-to-day waking hours paying attention to all the atrocities that are being committed in the world, you would never have time for anything else because they're constant. We're just so accustomed to this life here, this first world life, that any deviation from that at all just seems horrific. Like anything that goes wrong in America seems like intolerable and horrific and a human rights violation. And like, this is the shining hope of the world. And someone like you, who's an immigrant can speak to this better than most. And someone also who has traveled to places like North Korea, who understands the world better than most.

You can talk about this. Yeah, this is the theme of my next book, The White Pill, which is just talking about people don't know how bad it used to be and how close we came, this country, to falling in some very, very bad directions. And because it's the kind of thing where if you don't talk about it, we forget just what the past was. People in this country have no idea about Stalin.

I'm writing a lot about him or the Berlin Wall, the things that they did. It's just – and you hear these – like I was just – I'm writing right now. There was this part. What Stalin would do is like he'd kill parents, right, because they were traitors or whatever. That kid who was left behind who now lost their parents, boy or girl, whatever, everyone knew if i helped that kid my family's under suspicion why are you helping the child of these traitors oh were you

colluding with them in the past because they're trying to find links so this poor kid is now a complete social outcast even family friends wouldn't even look at them even the children they were friends with wouldn't look at them and they'd fallen away in history no one i mean there's so many cases like this and americans don't have any idea what that's like we're completely oblivious how recent that was yes it's not even 100 years ago right right not even 100 years ago people were resorting to cannibalism with their own children they're cannibalizing their own children because they were starving to death thousands and thousands of people starve to death like they don't even know an accurate number of how many people starve to death like they don't even know an accurate number of

how many people starve to death under stalin uh margo huneker who died i think in 2016 she was the head of education east germany and she had a concentration camp there for children which ended in 89 that's not that long ago we were watching shows in 89 you and i and what they would do is they would institutionalize these kids to make them into good communists. So no singing, no humming, you know, and it would be the kind of thing where like there was this one survivor. She was suicidal because her stepdad kept raping her. Well, you're suicidal. You got institutionalized, right?

So they put them sometimes in solitary. And the thing is the people who were guardians in this place this place they would sexually assault the kids with impunity and take them home what else she would do is uh if parents were suspicious under suspicion of the state they take the kids and force good communist families to raise them they would take newborns and you would never see your kids again and your kids were discouraged from trying to seek you it's it's the levels of depravity that would happen in these countries we are so oblivious to in america and it's like all right if i have to be the one to kind of talk about this and to we should treasure people take so

much for granted here they don't know how bad it can get and this appeal to unchecked authoritarianism that you're hearing from the left today. Yeah. It speaks to the ignorance that people have to what happens when you have a government that has this sort of just unchecked, unstopped, righteous power. It's for your own good. Yeah. We're saving those kids. righteous power for your it's for your own good yeah we're saving those kids yes this i mean people think that that's a huge leap but you're you're you're literally seeing these sort of socialist

marxist i mean social stuff when you think of socialists you think of like the most charitable forms yeah totalitarian yeah totalitarian you're seeing this sort of total you know we were talking before this podcast and we need to find out if this is true. Melissa Chen told me today that you can't post your fat or someone's fat on Facebook without it being deleted. Should I look it up or should I just try it? Yeah, let's try it. Let's just try it. Or you might get your account closed down.

Do you use that? Yeah, fuck Facebook. Do you use Facebook? No, I'm off it. I'm on Locals now. What is Locals? So Loc locals uh the first one they recruited was bridget feticy uh who's the best and i think she walks on water i was the second one so it's malice.locals.com she's feticy.locals.com and it's a mix of patreon and facebook so you chip in for someone you like and then you have a community and people come to my community. They post rainbows.

Here's the sunset. Here's my niece. Here's a dog. Who created this? Ruben. Oh, okay. Here's an article. And the thing that's great is back in the day on Facebook, when you posted a photo of, like, your kid,

the comments wouldn't be your high school friend saying, I hope you get COVID and wishing for your death. So that's kind of the locals thing. It's very positive and it's what Facebook used to be. We've got 20,000 people in there in mind. Would I post it on someone's page? Is that what it would be? I think if you post it even on your own page. I just put mom fat? No, just put at Michael Malice, you are fat.

Yeah, Michael Malice is such a fat fuck. We were saying we should say it about Tony. Someone where it's so obvious that it's not true and also Tony Hinchcliffe who's like the best roaster in the country he's like it's he's used to saying insults I wonder if you can say you fat fuck 99% positive it was Melissa Chen who sent me this I'm gonna check on that right now real quick I'm gonna post it and shall I give it five minutes to see what

happens yeah yeah so melissa just sent it to me i'm about to post right there your comment no at michael malice at me that's you it's tagged that way okay got it michael mouse you're fat okay this is on facebook i thought it was on twitter i'm not okay you said to put it on facebook facebook okay got it yeah i haven't posted on here in years. Okay, let's see. It says Michael Mouse, you're fat. Interesting. I took the tag off, though. Oh. I don't know what that means because I'm not his friend, but maybe, I don't know.

Maybe he doesn't want people to know. Huh. I don't know. I'll refresh in a minute and let you know what happens. Melissa said on Facebook, now you can't call anyone, even yourself, fat. They're policing anti-fat speech in real time. She said, I tried it myself and got banned for 24 hours. Wow, that fat bitch.

She is a fat bitch, too. Melissa weighs 82 pounds, maybe. Got to get those numbers down. Gotta get those numbers down. Isn't that... But this is chilling because, like, the idea that a bunch of people who are these woke leftists that are in charge of these platforms

think that they should be able to police speech to the point where you can stop someone from joking around about someone being fat or someone just saying someone's fat. Like, let's talk about sumo wrestlers. Like, it's not healthy to be as fat as fill in the blank with a sumo wrestler's name. You mean Melissa. I talk about this in my books and you write, and this is why it's very dangerous what they're

doing. There are shows like Top Chef or Project Runway where you have talented people, but they're working under artificial constraints, right? So it's like make a monkfish dish, but for kids. It's a lot harder to make monkfish taste good. Every chef knows how to do that. So when you eliminate certain words, that forces people who want to be making fun of fat people or racist or homophobic to be creative. So instead of using the N-word, they were like, okay let's just refer to um outdated farm equipment for black people is that really better for anybody no but so when you say you can't say fat you're going to

call someone a ham beast or a ham planet like that is much more hurtful than in my opinion not that i'm fat although i feel it that do you feel fat right now well i'm on a bulk i had i don't feel pretty my cum gutters aren't back in yet what What happened? I got on a bulk. A bulk? Yeah. What does that mean? You know it. You were talking about Mr. Olympia. But you tell me what it means because are you a bodybuilder? I'm trying to get into good shape, into great shape.

Who told you you should get fat to do that? My coach is Janae Marie Kroc. She was a world champion powerlifter, record holder. If you want to look good, don't listen to powerlifters. They're going to turn you into a gorilla. Gorillas look good. I'm going to be a silverback Joe Rogan. But they all have big bellies.

No, no, no. I'm not- A lot of powerlifters have very large, bulky chests. I put on a certain amount of mass and now I'm cutting down. So you have a legit trainer that's- Well, she's a coach, yeah. How long have you been doing this? Like a... Well, I'll show you what good this uh like uh well i i'll show you how

good shape i was in last um i'll show you you're gonna be shocked your contrarian phone with your you're gonna be shocked how ripped that was and this was then then covid hit yeah where is this you don't have any uh home equipment no no no no i don't i'm in brooklyn we don't have that so it was rough. And now I'm getting back to where I was last year, but with more mass. And it's going to look great. And it's for some big project, too, which I can't reveal. You got a project?

I can't reveal. Are you going to enter a tournament? I'm not going to be in a bodybuilder show or that board shorts thing. Yeah, the board shorts is you, dude. Look, look at this. This was me in April. Wow. Dude, you were shredded.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, man. That's impressive. That's impressive stuff. What did you do to get that shredded? You got to eat the same thing every day. You got to eat at a deficit.

It's a whole fucking process. Sounds like no fun. Nothing tastes as good as being thin feels. Nothing is as fun as having cum gutters. Yeah. Cum gutters. You like those? I didn't realize what the term meant when I started popularizing it.

Now I realize what it means and I've gone too far and I can't go back. What does it mean exactly? I didn't understand whose cum was going where. Oh, you thought it was your own cum? I didn't know where the cum was. Other dudes cum. No, it is your cum. Oh, okay. Because you're getting fucked

and you're cumming on yourself. Oh, so you're getting fucked in the ass and I made a mistake. During that you're beaten off or something? No, I think you're having your orgasm. While you're getting fucked in the ass? Someone's lying to you. Okay, I don't know about the dynamics. You think that's how a man comes? Don't someone have to touch

your penis? I don't know. Jamie? Wow. I think you just gay shamed him. Am I going to be banned from Facebook? Yeah, I think you'll be banned from Friends now or whatever the fuck you're on. Locals. Locals, whatever. Yeah, with Bridget.

I had an idea. Okay. And I wanted to- I'm scared. I've been on this phone too much, but I had this idea. Okay. Okay, because I think your audience would like this a idea. Okay. And I wanted to, I've been on this phone too much, but I want, I had this idea. Okay. Okay.

Because I think your audience would like this a lot. Okay. When we were kids, we used to do prank phone calls, right? You can't do that anymore. Right. Because the caller ID,

whatever. I had the idea to do a reverse prank phone call, which means to text someone while I'm here and say i'm sorry for what i said about you on joe rogan and watch their reaction like people who are friends of ours okay and just see if they flip out you're a mischievous little man what is why do you enjoy doing that for such an intelligent person i don't know Look how happy he gets I am You get so happy

I do Hey some people are into bird watching Right okay People are into weird stuff Some guys like collecting coins I don't get it Who the fuck wants to collect pennies Some people like just being mischievous

Look how red you are You're being Oh you have a coin It's a worry coin A what coin Worry coin What does that mean You hold it And whenever you're worried You can play coin it's a worry coin worry coin what does that mean you hold it and whenever you're worried you can play with it and if it wears down over time so every time you were you could think about the last time you were worried that's from jl lawson and be like

oh what does it say it says worrying is a debt you i don't remember what it says what does it say let me see i'll read it it's and there's a part for your thumb you can hold the part so you when you're worrying you rub it yeah worrying is like paying a debt you don't owe okay so yeah and it's good for the genes to give them good fades oh so you put them in your back pocket and sit on them and it sort of scrunches it up a little bit there you don't like mischief mischief yeah like what kind of mischief like what we're just talking about no i don't do that kind of stuff really no why isn't it fun for you i don't know like like there's certain pranks aren't fun for me um like trolling it's not fun for me how is it i don't do any of that stuff it's such a source of joy i get it that's a source of

joy for you it has zero appeal to me. To me, it's like cricket. When people play cricket, I watch it. I'm like, I don't get it. I keep moving. But you're a comedian. Yeah. You appreciate all forms of comedy.

I love comedy. I love jokes. But I don't like pranks and mischief and that kind of shit. It just doesn't do it for me. It's such a motivator for me. It's hard to understand how you don't find it funny. Yeah, I don't know. Do you think it's funny startling people?

Sometimes it's funny. That's funny, right? Because the reaction... Sometimes it's funny. Like my friend Steph, whenever she's at my house, I'm waiting by the bathroom door. When people fall down and they don't really get badly hurt, that's funny. It's funnier when they're not moving. Well, have you seen the Tom Segura video?

No. Tom Segura went to dunk. And when he was running to dunk, he blew out his patella tendon and then landed, because his leg completely gave out, landed on his arm, shattered his arm. because his leg completely gave out, landed on his arm, shattered his arm. So compound fracture of his arm, blown out patella tendon on one thing,

and he's lying there making noises like someone's filling his cum gutters. The grape lady. He's like... Watch this video. He's getting better now. Watch this. Bang. See? You think that's way watch this. Bang. See?

You think that's way too funny. Bang. Do you remember the grape lady? Shattered. You okay? You okay? You okay? You okay?

He's armed. He's armed. Jamie, pull up Grape Lady Takes a Fall. Do you remember this? Oh, no. I don't want to see this. Do I want to see this? Did she die?

No, she didn't die. It was the same thing, but it was from the first YouTube video. That's how the Atkins guy died. What Atkins guy? The guy who came up with the Atkins diet. Dr. Atkins? Yeah, fell. What do you mean?

Fell. He fell and hit his head. Wait, you don't think that's funny at diet? Dr. Atkins? Yeah, fell. What do you mean? Fell. He fell and hit his head. Wait, you don't think that's funny at all? With Tom Segura? Yeah. The only reason why I think it's funny is because Tom lived. Of course. And his injuries don't appear to, well, they might have some long-term damage.

The noises he makes are quite humorous. There's a big difference between that and, what was it, Anderson Silva breaking his leg. That is not funny. That was hard. Yeah. Looking at that, you're like, this should not happen biologically. I've seen that twice in person. What do you mean?

Two different guys. Yeah. A dude named, I believe his name is Corey Hill. He broke his shin the same way. Threw a kick. Guy checked the kick. His knee snapped, or his shin snapped, rather. I've seen it twice. That time was worse because the referee didn't realize what had happened.

And I actually had a scream, stop the fight, stop the fight. I jumped up and threw my headsets down. I was yelling, stop the fight, stop the fight. The referee was in a bad position and didn't see. And then when he went down, his leg straightened out again. The referee didn't understand what had gone on. Sometimes a guy's back will beat you, and someone will throw a strike, and then the guy's down, and the other guy's on him, and you're behind him,

and the referee doesn't exactly know what's going on. So we had a different angle than the referee did. Oh, my God, That's very disturbing. It's a bad break, man. I've seen it happen on television a couple of times with great fighters too, like Tyrone Spong versus Gokhan Saki. It's a high-level kickboxing fight, which really rarely happens in high-level kickboxing.

But he threw a kick, and Saki checked it and snapped Tyrone's shin. Were they okay? You're never okay after that. Yeah, right? Because a lot of things are going. And also the PTSD, not to use that term loosely, but it's going to mess you up. It's going to mess you up.

You know, I've broken bones before. You get used to the fact that they're healed. But I think that there's something about having a plate in your shin. Leg bones are just different, man. Your connection with them is different. You know, leg injuries are different. Like, you hurt your knee. It's not just the fact that it's your mode of transportation and you walk on your knees.

There's a difference in the, like, there's a significance to that kind of an injury. Where you know, like, this is scary. Because this is, now you can't walk. Like, your head knows. Your mind knows. Like, if you hurt your arm, even if it's a bad break, like, you're like, shit, I fucked my arm up. You don't think about the same way as I fucked my knee up or I fucked my shin up. Like, because it's like, oh, your mind knows.

Like, this is how people died 10,000 years ago. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, your brain knows that so when you see a leg injury a knee injury it's terrifying the scariest submission guys are all knee lockers they're all guys who go after heel hooks and leg locks it's not like they got a russia isn't that a thing there was yeah a lot of them that was early in the ufc like oleg Taktarov was one of the very early UFC champions. I don't think he was ever a UFC champion. I wonder what Oleg won.

I think he won a tournament before. Let's see what Oleg's credentials were. But Oleg's leg locks, he was a Sambo champion, or at least a high-level Sambo competitor, and his leg locks were early on in the UFC, one of the first examples. What is he? Yeah, so he won the tournament winner. That's no joke.

Oh, Oleg was a beast. Oleg was a beast. Now he's an actor. Yeah, he does a lot of acting. I've seen him in a lot of different movies. He's a great guy. I worked out with him once way back in the day and uh you know got a chance to talk to him like this was like when he was done fighting he uh he's very smart

very interesting guy and again one of the first guys to use leg locks in mma competition like at a high level do you do you know about looks maxing looks maxing what does that mean so there are these you know how like when a bone heals it gets thicker and harder so there are all these forums for dudes who can't get laid and they're trying to scientifically deduce what makes people good looking and one of the things they oh looks maxing out okay so one things they do they'll take bottles along their cheekbones to try to get them to be thicker. What? I think it's called mewing.

The guy's name is Jason Mew. I heard the second hand. Oh, mewing is different. Mewing is a thing from Jason Mew that you're – It's the jaw? Yeah. It's about putting your tongue against the roof of your jaw and making a noise. It pushes your jaw forward and strengthens those muscles.

It actually can supposedly change the look of your face well they there's a more extreme level where they take the bottle and rub it along here and you're supposed to have predator eyes and not prey eyes well i guess that's got to be better than people that are shoving filler in their face all right that shit's bananas i saw that where a guy was uh he it was on instagram he did uh i think they were calling it like facial maximalization filler or masculinization filler and they were shoving a very narrow jaw okay so they were shoving filler into the sides of his face to make his face stick out more. So he'd have like this little thin ass bone in there.

But then on each side, he'd have, you know, an inch or so of this weird. Did it look good? Butt implant tissue. It's hard to say. Because here's the thing. Things that look good in photos often don't look good when they're moving. Yeah. When you see.

So like you ever seen a woman who has filler on her face it's ghoulish like i was super duper high once and i was at the improv and uh i was watching i was sitting getting ready to go on stage and the old joan river show was on oh joan and her daughter like you remember they're not old but you know, but they had a reality show. Right, yeah, yeah. And I was watching Joan's face, and it just barbecued out of my fucking head. And watching her face going, oh my God, what has she done? Because she looked so weird. So rubber.

I mean, you could see all the filler that she had gotten injected in her face. She didn't look like a person anymore. She looked like this bizarre mask, like a rubber mask. They think that when they get the lines removed, they look younger. But it's like you don't look younger. You just look like inhuman who's older. Yeah. You just don't have lines, but now you look like a rubber person. Yeah, because the kids have the collagen.

That's what's keeping them looking a certain way. The collagen moves. This doesn't move. There's ways to get collagen that are better. One of the ways is facial cryotherapy is a way to enhance the collagen in your skin. Another thing is just accept the fact you're fucking dying. Okay?

Listen, it is what it is. For whatever reason, for me, it's more sad when I see men with it. When I see men with filler or men with Botox where they can't do this anymore, they can't raise their eyebrows. That's crazy, man. But it's also like, who are you fooling? Like, our eyes have been evolved for how long to pick up on little things. And when we don't see those little things subconsciously, we realize something's unnatural. Well, you know, the Fibonacci sequence in a person's face, too.

Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The ratios of the size of the nose. Like if you see someone like Ari Shaffir, who has a naturally very Jewish face, very large nose. If Ari all of a sudden had this tiny little nose, he'd be like, what the fuck is going on? It wouldn't register with his face. I'm trying to imagine what that would look like. But I have to say, I've seen some women get nose jobs, and it is pretty amazing the results they've achieved.

They can. I saw this one woman that had this big-ass hook nose, and she got it shaved down, and it was crazy. Like, she went from being this girl with a very unfortunate nose to being stunning. Yeah. You know, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think, like, you know, if you don't like your nose, and there's a doctor that can fix your nose, and now you have a nose that doesn't look horrendous, looks like everybody else's nose. Hey, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

But I think there's a big difference between that and being a 70-year-old lady with rubber in your face to the point where it literally looks like you got stung by a herd of bees. Herd of bees? No. It's a colony of bees. What would you say, like, a large group of bees? What would you call them? I don't know.

A pack of bees? Yeah, but that's like... The hive, yeah. The hive is the... Swarm. It's a swarm a large group of bees? What would you call them? I don't know. A pack of bees? Yeah, but that's like... The hive, yeah. The hive is the... Swarm. It's a swarm. Swarm of bees. Yeah, I mean, they literally look like they're swollen.

Like they got bee stung. I had a friend growing up... FaceThings is a myth, FYI. Oh. Is it? Totally? Jamie pulled it up. This is like a professor of math breaking down.

Golden ratio is supposed to be at the heart of many proportions of the human body. This includes the shape of the perfect face, also the- None of this is true even remotely. The body has many possible ratios. It's just not the golden ratio. Yeah, but I think this is talking about the face, a perfect face. That's not exactly what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about-

See if you can find this. The ratio of a person's nose size in comparison to the rest of their face. That's what this article is talking about. I mean, that's what he's saying. It's different for everyone. I understand, but I think what he's saying in that article is they're talking about the perfect face and i do think that that well the problem with the perfect face is like i i like people that have weird faces right like i think hillary swank is like one of the most beautiful women ever or like olivia wilde she's

got a huge jaw like in somebody else you could be like okay this looks like a man jaw but she's amazing which one's olivia wilde uh you can pull it off she's very she's gorgeous but i think all those top models they look a little bit off and that intrigues the eye it's like people who are multiracial it's just like you can't figure it out so you're fascinated by their appearance right like but and then different people like you know like different characteristics too like some some people really love freckles or like big eyebrows you know brook shields popularized that before that you would look like a man and then it's like no this can look really sexy on a chick have you seen girls getting freckles tattooed on their face

no yeah are they really oh yeah definitely why would you want to be irish that's so crazy jesus christ just dress yourself in garbage um there's no there's no ratio of the size of your ears versus the size of your eyes there was a plastic surgeon that was discussing this there's got to be this these websites have to have it selling you know marketing that to someone that that's true well he was actually saying that this is the problem with plastic surgery he was he was explaining him and i think he's a guy who fixes if i remember it's a long time ago but if i remember correctly what he was saying is you have to be very careful because there's a a ratio and your mind recognizes it very very clearly like if someone wants to get a nose that's much too small

for their face he will i think he was saying this is my memory on this is like super hazy but if uh i believe what he was saying like if you have a lump on your nose or something like that he'll fix that but if you have a face like an ari shafir face he's not gonna give you a tiny little elf nose yeah but someone really needs to photoshop ari with a little nose and see what it looks like that'll be really kind of interesting to to see well his face is long right like his nose he looks like a caricature it's his face yeah yeah, right. Because it's still going to be long. So it's going to look like Bert from Bert and Ernie. He's got little eyes too.

It's a situation going on there. I got a new cartoon. Can you pull up? Tell me if you think it looks like me. PigTVSeries.com. Are you the pig? No, that's the vice president. Oh, you son of a bitch

it's the new one or the old one the new one the cop it's the politically incorrect guy there was a series of books do you think that looks like me no Tom Woods is the podcast he's the other guy in the show

that's supposed to be you you don't think it looks like me at all let me see I guess a little What do you think Jamie Kind of but not really right Well I thought it looked good It's okay Tom I felt bad for because they made him look like he's both a baby and 80 years old

You think he looks like he's 80 He doesn't look young. We're the same age, roughly, in real life. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah. Not bad for him. And what is this? So there was a series of books,

like Politico-Correct Guide to the Constitution, Guide to American History from Regnery. So we licensed it. It's like, remember the old Ricky Gervais show? It's just us sitting around talking about different issues. So the first one was the Constitution. We did one about communism, Woodrow Wilson, Russia, all this other stuff. So I thought I looked good.

You look fine for a cartoon. I made it a point that Tom would be in a dress as many episodes as possible because he's a square and he's got like five daughters. So in the first episode, he's Velma. When we're talking about Russia, he's Ayn Rand. When we do the one about journalism, he's the weather girl for no reason. How much time before you're not allowed to dress up like a woman if you're a man

because you're culturally appropriating a trans woman? Well, no, no, no. This is where you're wrong. So the feminists, you ready for this? Yeah. This is where it gets really intricate and interesting. The feminists have been going after drag because they've been saying correctly, in my opinion, that drag is the same thing as blackface. Because you're dressing as a caricature of gender.

Blackface people don't look like black people. They look like a complete inhuman caricature. Drag queens do not look like women. They are a complete caricature. And the feminists are making this connection. And it's kind of this low-key drama under the scenes.

Wow. Yeah. So they've been... And just recently, RuPaul got in trouble because there's a trans man on this season of Drag Race. Born a female,

became a man. RuPaul said, we're not having that, and changed her mind. Why did RuPaul say we're not having that? Because he said it's not drag if you don't have a tuck. Huh. So you have

to have a cock to be a drag queen? Not anymore. That changed just this last year. So this is a woman who became a man. Born a female, became a man. And now dresses like a woman. Dresses like a drag queen, which is not how women dress.

Oh, boy. Yeah. She's a great makeup artist. Okay. I'm exhausted. Wait, there's another one, which I think is brilliant. Joey Jay,

who is a very effeminate gay dude. Okay. So he's um male exhibiting feminine qualities okay his drag character is a lipstick lesbian who is a woman uh woman exhibiting masculine qualities but that's smart yes like people always read this stuff through like trans things. But gender, when I grew up, I was reading Camille Paglia too much maybe. But this is such a thing in every culture in history. What does it mean to be a man? What does it mean to be a woman?

How do you signal masculinity? How do you signal femininity? Have you ever heard of Douglas Murray talk about like what happens at the end of civilizations? No, I had him on my show recently he's the best i love that guy um he said that during the downfall of civilizations they become obsessed with gender and gender bending and then uh dissolving the boundaries between genders and gender fluidity and that existed the greeks with the romans and that you know men start dressing Holly it talks about this a lot too yeah this is this is a thing it's part of Kali Yuga it's a thing of the downfall of a civilization there they're

dying death throes they start men start dressing up as women and people become obsessed with gender but I don't think that's what happened at the end of Nazism or at the end of the Soviet Union. Well, that was different. First of all, those were very abrupt changes. Sure. Also, you were talking about societies that were dealing with totalitarian governments that were either

overthrown or destroyed. Right, or imploded, yeah. Yeah, it's a little bit different, I think. But it is a weird obsession that people have right now when you think about the the the numbers of people that have this situation where they're male but they identify as female or female that identifies me oh it's like unprecedented numbers yeah right and and it's also how everything has to be a lot of gender fluidity and all this other stuff.

I don't I have not. I mean, why would that go hand in hand? I'm just trying to think out loud. Is it because there's less confidence in a culture to form dictates of how people should behave? And once the elites lose that control, it's just a matter of time? You could say it that way. I think I think and this is uh very controversial right but i think trans people i i think the situation is much like almost all

situations with involving human beings and unusual states i think some people clearly are just trans that's they sure they got a shit roll the dice they should have been a woman they should have I think some people clearly are just trans. Sure. They got a shit roll of the dice. They should have been a woman. They should have been a man. They were born in the wrong body, clearly. Then there's also when a culture puts a lot of social cred in shifting of genders. And a culture rewards people for coming out as trans or coming out

oh yeah people respond to incentives yes they don't just respond to it they they lean into and it becomes their identity right because it's a way that someone can achieve an unusual identity it's the only way for some of these people and they also become a part of a protected class almost instantaneously and they become special almost instantaneously and the pushback against this is extraordinary right which is also one way we can go maybe something is going on here like abigail schreier is a great example her her work that book with the chance fm right jesus christ people are going crazy about that book and so many people are so furious about her But if you listen to what she's actually saying, and she pulls up the statistics, she's talking about more than a 1,000% increase in young girls coming out as trans over the past decade.

She's talking about the fact that there's these people that are 15 years old that are able to identify as trans, and in some states, they can self-identify and immediately get testosterone injections. So they're going to be smarter and more logical. Ah! And have accountability. Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. They can decide they want surgery.

You know, I mean, and they're doing it in clusters, and this is what's scary. I have a friend who is a famous person, and this famous person has a daughter. And the daughter is going to school with a group of kids. And I think more than five of them have decided together that they're trans. And these are social. This is this cluster effect.

Which is statistically impossible. It's statistically extremely unlikely and very common at the same time. This is what's crazy. And then when you take into account this incredible reluctance to accept or even hear the voices of people that have a great deal of remorse for these decisions as they get older. Like, huge regret. They've had their breasts removed, they can no longer have children, they can, they have all sorts of permanent effects because of testosterone injections and then they've decided that it was an error. And no one wants to

take that into account. It's either one or zero. Either you are trans or you are not. No one wants to ever admit that human beings are malleable. But here's the other thing is that you and I remember back in the day how common and I'm sure it is still eating disorders were, which were a function of I hate my body. Now, if you're being told at that age when you're a moron, everyone who's 15 is a moron, certainly myself included, that because I have body dysmorphia. My parents did it. My grandparents did a huge number on me growing up and i will always have it and it's it's it's the thing um when back in day it's like i hate my body i'm gonna starve myself or i'm gonna force myself to throw up or give myself laxative so and so forth now if you're told if you feel that you

hate your body you're actually trans it's very hard for someone at that age who doesn't know what it means to be a man, who doesn't know what it means to be a woman, to be given this outlet. It's like, okay, instead of starving yourself, you're going to go on hormones. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but we really need to be careful about young people

who feel uncomfortable in their skin because there's a lot of reasons for that to happen. Yeah, there's a lot of reasons for young people to be uncomfortable in their skin. And I remember there was a show called- And then there's also, we have to acknowledge, there's also people that are just trans. Of course. Both of those things are true. And the thing is, you would know when they're like three. Sometimes. Sometimes, yeah. But you're

like, okay, this little kid's going to grow up to be a girl. Or gay. That's the other thing, is a lot of them just turn out to be gay if they don't have gender reassignment surgery, or if they don't do anything about it. and this is in a friend of mine who's gay thinks it's homophobic he thinks a lot of this trans stuff is homophobic jk rowling had that whole thing she said this is um basically gay reprogram it's trying to exterminate gay men and this is um what was it that michelle bachman used to do like these uh um uh you would have these they would basically condition them out try to air air quotes, cure them out of being gay. It's like,

you're basically eliminating gay males as a class and saying, if you're effeminate, you're not really an effeminate male. You're really a female in a man's body. And you're also rendering these people sterile. So she had this huge tweet thread about this and she, you know, they came after her.

Yeah. And it's like the thing that being trans is about is about being an individual right supposedly so you can't as a group say every single case has the same cause and effect and every single person is going to be happy with the outcome exactly because even if you are f2m trans just because you take test doesn't mean you're going to like your body now right yeah and there's a real problem also that trans people have with anybody who's not trans even discussing this. Right.

And to be fair, yeah. You're deviating from the orthodoxy. Right. Yeah. It's a crazy moment in our culture for this. So this is what's controversial about it. The idea is that in times where there is a much easier society much easier culture is easier this is like the easiest people have ever had it easiest way to get food easiest way to get

medical care easiest way to be safe easiest way to be protected less violence than we've ever experienced before and in the absence of all these very common threats and common, hugely significant problems that people have faced throughout history, people find things to concentrate on. And they find things to obsess about. And they find things to identify with. And they find things to fill their life up with meaning. And that this is why, at the end of civilizations, where it's usually in excess. Like, we think of the end of the Roman Empire. Sure.

What do we think of? We think of people, you know, a lot of pedophilia, a lot of like excess in food and drink and chaos and a lot of debauchery, right? That's what we think of when we think of the end of the Roman Empire. And that is when, according to Douglas Murrayray they start experiencing all this this stuff with genders now i don't think there's anybody that's looking at america right now and saying we're doing great everything's perfect there's no issues at all we're definitely not on the verge of falling apart you know we're clearly this is fine yeah if if we were a hedge fund if and we were uh banking on america we'd be shorting yeah oh yeah we'd be like oh this motherfucker is not gonna make it i'm very very concerned about the future of this country as someone who's been the first one advocating for a national divorce

because you the left has historically been very good about this what do you mean by national divorce separating america. Break it up. To two states? Or at least two, yeah. Two countries, yeah. Really? Oh, yeah. It's past due.

We've never had one culture in this country since the beginning. Do you think we would go to war with each other if we did that, though? No. I don't think we have to. I think war is almost always a choice. But if we went separate, but the problem is,

do we have geological locations? How are you going to separate the country if you have the New York area and California that are on the same page? Might be five or six countries then. No divorce is simple. Oh, God. Really? I mean, yes.

I should tell everybody, you also don't believe in cops. I believe that they're real. That's true. I don't believe in cops. Yeah. I don't believe in cops. Yeah. I don't believe in government monopoly of cops. Oh, okay. Yeah.

So you believe in private security forces? Of course. Security is a need that we all have. And because the government has decided to give them monopolies, it's left us all unsafe. That's interesting. I think the same problem we have with education, we have with law enforcement. Because they're both government monopolies, yeah. Yeah, well, also they're not respected.

They're not paid enough. They're not paid enough? How much should teachers be paid? A lot more. No, you can't write more on the check. How much? Well, I mean, I'm not an economist. I'd have to sit down and think about it.

I think it should be, well, I mean, I'm not an economist. I'd have to sit down and think about it. But I think that it's one of the most significant jobs that we have is training children how to think, teaching them about history, teaching them about life, and making it entertaining and engaging in a way that's going to excite their minds. Government schools are about teaching children not to think. They're about teaching children to be obedient and submissive and to have your self-esteem be a function of that mediocre person in the front of the room. And the fact that we all have to learn at the same pace, which is deranged.

The fact that you have to get along with people under gunpoint, whereas nowhere in life are you trapped into a relationship like this, like in schools. It's tantamount to child abuse. Government schools are literal prisons for children and the only place many people encounter violence in their lives. It's a horrible German model and it's got to be, and thankfully, increasingly states are having a program where the money follows the student instead of following

the location. And they're also conditioning children to get ready to do jobs that you don't want to do for the rest of your life because this is life right which is a horrible message it's a horrible message and it's a message that my 12 year old is really like synced up with lately like not not in the sense of she agrees with it she's furious about it she she's like the like what they teach in school and she goes to a very good school but she's like what they teach in school the problem with the whole idea of school is like there's this thing that that some of these teachers get in your head that you're going to have to get a job and you're going to have to do things you don't want and this is how you pay your bills and this is going to be your career and she's like but there's no talk of pursuing a dream yes there's no talk of living

life in an extraordinary unusual but difficult to attain way there's no talk of that that that talk is nonsense and you're talking crazy you're frivolous you're not gonna ever make it you're gonna starve to death you're a danger to the other students for putting bad ideas in their heads for daring them to hope you want to be a what? An artist? The fuck out of here. There's no artists out there making a living. People a lot of times ask me for advice about being an author, right?

And I tell them, this is the advice I always give. Go to any bookstore. Look around all the shelves. Look at all those shitty, shitty books. That could be you. You could be. You don't have to be Steinbeck. You could be that shitty author who

everyone's friends are like how did this guy get a book deal this book is shit literal shit but when you put in those terms there's plenty of comedians who aren't household names who pay their rent and are living their dreams and are not right now it's fair not right now that's fair but now those motherfuckers are all driving uber eats sure but a year ago or no but they're making youtube videos they're an instagram yeah yeah yeah that's a thing so artists are innovative they yeah find new ways out of the the situation so that is it's it's i despise every aspect of it from from the root to tail it's just yeah horrible i do too. I just think that the system, like I agree.

And this is by design. It's not an accident. You think so? Yes. You're taking it back to like the Rockefellers. Horace Mann went over to Germany and saw what the Prussians were doing to turn children into good Prussian soldiers. And when they talk about socializing kids,

that's what they mean. Getting them ready to be cogs in some corporate machine. It's atrocious what they do these kids yeah and you ever meet homeschooled kids i used to buy the propaganda i thought if i meet a homeschool kid they're all going to be weird and freaky they have self-confidence they're not scared of adults uh they have a sense of humor they believe in jesus they want to learn things they're you know what i mean they because they learn by doing yeah they don't have to learn the same speed as the slowest kid in the class and if you are the slowest kid in

the class you should get individual attention you shouldn't feel dumb because everyone's fast than you because maybe you have dyslexia or maybe you're just slow but that's okay yeah there's a good argument for that but there's also an argument that socialization is one of the most important things that a kid learns when they're in school is they learn how to deal with other people they learn manipulative kids they learn the the pain sting of insults they learn uh about being bullied or about being a bully they learn group think they learn what happens when you step outside a group think they learn what happens if you question the teacher they learn the weird dynamic between adults and children when you realize that this adult that's teaching you is kind of a fucking loser like

sometimes that happens with kids yes you know and uh that's another thing that me and the 12 year old have had conversations with where she's like you know look there's there's these people that i don't want their life in any way shape or form i don't like the way they talk to people i don't like the way they think you know and and she she's saying it's hard to understand what they say because they're all up on the cross you can't deny the benefit of exposure to shitty people because there's a benefit to that there's a benefit for in a child's education it's not something you want to live with as an adult but i think for a child when they're experiencing certain types of shitty behavior it's actually good for them socially.

I agree to a point. One of the things I'm very blessed with, and I think you are too in your life, I am not under the thumb of some mediocre person. And I think when you're young and you don't know who you are and you don't have that strength, to have a year where this shitty person has so much power over your life, fucks kids up. It does, yeah. And it'll fuck them up for a long time because it's hard to realize, oh, it was them and not you when they're the adult and you're the kid. So by default, you're going to think the adult has it figured out, and I'm wrong. Well, I think it's also if you get accustomed to that, then you get accustomed to that being your boss next.

Right. You have this shitty boss that has power over you get accustomed to that being your boss next. Right. You know, you have this shitty boss that has power over you. Or your shitty wife or shitty husband. Oh, yeah, that too, yeah. Well, you know, there's a lot of people that they grew up with parents that were assholes and assholes to each other. And then they go and seek that in a relationship. They try to find that because that's what they find comforting. I had a buddy of mine, Jack.

He just asked me for advice. He's had this girlfriend for three years, right? And he's just like, she doesn't support me in my hobby. She doesn't want... What's his hobby? He's into fitness. He's going to be competing. I have people who are for Fitspo because of my body dysmorphia.

It's kind of... Explain to me your body dysmorphia. What is a body dysmorphia? Body dysmorphia is when you have... No, I know what that is. I mean, what is yours? Well, it's the same. My version of it is the standard version of it.

It's just you do not see yourself rationally in the mirror and you have a distorted view of your own body. Do you think you're fat? Do you think you're... What do you think? Right? No, I am in a good-ish place. But let me tell you what happened. When I was a kid, every single day,

every single day, I was told I'm too skinny. When you hear that every day for years, two things happen. One, you have a hostile relationship with your own body, but two, you're also told this is something of crucial importance. Because if you're told every day as a kid, you sing terribly, you sing terribly, you're going to think your voice sucks, if you're told every day as a kid you sing terribly you sing terribly you're going to think your voice sucks but you're also going to think it matters a lot and it's only last year that i realized it doesn't really matter what my body looks like i'm a dude so to have this kind of fixation but hold on you were just talking about your cum trails yeah because i'm proud of them but no one really cares you say it doesn't matter what you look like

because you're a dude right but that's the whole that's where the dysmorphia comes in. My brain rationally realizes this doesn't matter, but there's a part of my brain which has had this beaten into me that tells me this is important. Okay, let me correct you here. Okay. It is important. To have calm gutters? Yes.

What you did in achieving that physique is impressive. But it's not important. It is if you want a lady that's very excited about your body and you take your shirt off and she sees those abs and she's like whoo she gets thrilled and excited by your body that's worth the effort it's a very difficult thing to achieve because it's difficult to achieve she recognizes you as a man of will but you're a man of focus you've figured out a way to get those abs and those cum gutters. But it's not important 24-7. Listen, stop rationalizing your gut and get back to that cum gutter look.

I don't have a gut. You can do it. I'll be back within two... The way you said I don't have a gut, you're so angry. I don't like trolling. I don't get the fun of trolling. I never do pranks on people. I'm Joe Rogan.

Listen, man. It's worth it. It's worth it. You said it best earlier. The amount of good. This is the only show where I get triggered. Do you get triggered? I'm on Lex. I'm fucking running circles around that robot.

He doesn't know up from down by the time I'm done with it. I'm a professional comedian. I can't help but find your weaknesses. Okay, Mr. Joe. Yeah. That's not what comedian means, Joe. Of course it does. You find flaws.

You find things that are irrational and you poke holes in them. Are you going to tell me that it is of central importance to a dude's life that he has abs? Central importance is a, that's an unusual term to use in this because that's not what I'm saying. It is significant. The idea that it's not important, it's ridiculous. Of course it's important.

Why are these gyms open? Why do guys lift weights? Do they lift weights because girls hate it? No, they lift weights because girls love it. That's why. Because it's the same reason why girls get boob jobs. Why do girls do squats all the time? Because guys love big, juicy asses. That's why because it's the same reason why girls get boob jobs why do girls do squats all

the time because guys love big juicy asses that's why they do it i just like to look good to dress what does that mean you like to look good to men you like them to be attracted because when they see your ass there's a there's a giant difference between an ass that's just there and a great ass. The difference is, oh, there's a person. And holy shit, look at her body. Oh, my God. The adoration. The sheer attractiveness of a woman's physique. It makes them get up at 6 before work and put that fucking barbell on and just fucking squat.

Thinking about how much dick they're gonna get how many guys gonna be excited about that ass because it's real because it works it really does have a giant impact on men's attention there's a big asymmetry i don't think women are obsessed with abs or cum gutters am i wrong i'm Am I wrong? I'm listening to you. You're lying to yourself. You're lying to yourself. Yes. You're fucking with me. No, I'm not fucking with you. I was doing so good. No, you're not. You're lying to yourself.

Women love guys with abs. If you weren't around, and they were talking about a guy with abs, and they hooked up with some guy, and he's really nice, and he's got a great job, and he's cool, and we finally started fooling around. He took his shirt off, and oh my God, you got to fucking body oh my god tell me about it tell me about it oh he has abs he has such a six-pack he's so hot they get excited about it or i he took off his body looks like leonardo dicaprio in his 40s he's got a fucking dad bod but he's a nice guy whatever that's there's a big difference between those things big difference it's a big difference

in a very specific context yeah sex right which is what everybody wants everybody wants to be sexually attractive when we're talking about girls getting rubber lips and wearing fucking high heels and all this crazy shit why are they doing that they're doing that because they want people to be more sexually attracted to them i women compete more on their looks and guys compete more on their status and who they are as men. Right? That does not in any way discount the looks factor. I'm not saying it does discount the looks factor, Joe Rogan. But to say that men compete more in that, yeah, they do because that's a thing to do for men.

If a man has a nice body and he's broke and he's a loser, women are not attracted to him because he becomes a liability. But if a man has a nice body and he's also successful, it's doubly attractive. The idea that they're mutually exclusive is ridiculous. I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive. I'm just saying one is more important in one context than the other. I think they're both important to women.

Okay. Well, I think you want those cum gutters back i definitely did oh that's not even whoa hold on hold on no no no no this is the most important thing happening for me right now to get in the cum gutters back and here's here's something else about by dysmorphia okay i will look at that picture and think it's impossible for me to have that physique even though it's literally a picture of myself really that's how body dysmorphia works a year ago less than a year ago yeah how much weight have you gained since then uh 30 pounds wow and now i'm cutting down so what were you weighing in that photo? Like I'm like 124. You were weighing 124 pounds? When you get that lean, you're going to be light as hell. Wow.

Did you feel like you could just fly? Like you could just bounce around? I felt very disturbed because when you're in clothes and you're that lean, you just look scrawny. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Because you're so tiny when i was competing back when i used to fight and i used to drop weight i used to feel so light i used to feel so fast i remember um

i only had one year where i could make 140 that was uh my seven when i was 17 my senior year of high school i made 140 140, and I couldn't do it anymore. It was destroying me. My natural weight was about 155. Oh, that's a lot of weight, 15 pounds. It was horrible. Not only was it horrible, but I was actually competing the day of. I cut weight, so it was really bad.

So I won the state championships in 85 at 140 pounds, and then the next year I went up to 154. And I was so much better at 154. I won one year, but I kind of barely won. I won, but I didn't destroy anybody. But then when I went up to 55. You got the 80s newscaster pose I like to do. Oh, those photos, Jamie's photos.

When I went up to 55, I was way, way better. But even when I was 55, by the time I was 18 and 19, I was really weighing in the 60s and cutting weight down to 155. Or 55, 54, I forget what the weight class was. But when I did that, I felt so light. I remember feeling like I felt like I could move better. Like you literally weighed down by your body. You don't think about that until you lose weight. When you lose weight, like you have more of a spring in your step.

You have more energy. You can do more stuff. My other problem is my dad was the fat kid in school, like really, really fatty, fat, fat. You can't tell him that on Facebook now. My mom was like thin. She's still like 110 pounds. So when I gain weight, I get much older looking and my face fills out.

And then, of course, the fans are very kind to tell me this in all the comments, like how do you look so old all of a sudden? And then when I lose it, I get the triangle shape like my mom and it's like Benjamin Button. So it's a real fun situation being in the public eye. So you're doing power lifting with this lady? No, no. Basically, she's been like coaching me and my friend Trey Goff on a day-to-day basis we keep in touch but you said coaching yeah she's like this what you should do just power the email well no no she doesn't have me in a power listening program because I'm trying for strength

what are you doing now I'm on a cut so it's just two day up or two day lower we're slowly lowering calories to get back to you want to get back to 125 no now it's gonna be probably like 140. How come? Because I put on so much mass. Oh, because you bulked. Yes. So that was the plan.

The plan was to get thick. Yes. And then get cut at a heavier weight. Yes. And let me tell people listening to this. If you say no pain, no gain, eating Subway every day for lunch, that's pain. It was hell on earth. Is that what you ate?

Yeah, because it's 1,000 calories. Why Subway? Because you get 80 grams of protein with the double meat and 1,000 calories with the sandwich. Do you know that they decided in other countries that it's cake? Yeah, because I want the calories of on my bulk. Oh, on your bulk. It was hard for me to get to that 3,500. Oh, so it was painful to exaggerate your calorie count,

to get a large calorie count. Yeah. And now I have sashimi for lunch, and it's a lot better. Why don't you just go with shakes? You can get a lot of protein and calories. 1,000 calories? A shake's going to have, that's going to be like 10 scoops or 8 scoops. I don't know.

I know that there's weight gain shakes though yeah but that's literally like maltodextrin it's like powdered it's pure sugar like the weight gainers they're they're even worse for you than than uh and they do not digest well oh you fart up a storm oh you're it's it's like uh it's like the weather patterns in there it's like you feel like the it's like time for close the factory and And there's just explosions. It's a bad scene. I think I've tried that stuff when I was young. I don't remember when.

You get bloated. I don't remember it. I think I maybe even only tried it a couple of times too. I think I thought it was gross. Naltodextrin, I think that's what it is. But I was doing... I mean, we're talking about in the 80s. I don't really remember the last time I took a bulking powder. I didn't take a bulking i mean i mean any of those i'm just thinking about those things

like when i'm talking about weight gain stuff like i don't but again i have this by dysmorphia it's a lot easier for me to kind of lean into it and put in a healthy direction because i don't think i'm ever gonna get rid of it so when you um were lifting weights are you lifting heavy yeah so this bulking thing yeah heavy for me reps i got to three plates on deadlift which is no joke that's not joke yeah yeah that's heavy yeah that's 305 no 315 315 yeah yeah that's a lot yeah so i was very proud of myself to get to that do you use a hex bar when you did no i use the regular bar. Do you like that better? I just follow orders. Michael Wolff said to do that, and that's what I do.

I wonder which one's heavier. Is the hex bar heavier? They must be. Well, the hex bar looks like it has more metal, but maybe thinner. They're probably the same, no? It's going to be not that much difference. One's 45. What if the other one's 50?

Right, right. I like hex bars. It just seems like a more natural deadlift position. I was told yesterday I was training with Michael Wolff. He's a starting strength coach, former starting strength coach. He's like a beast. I thought you had to scrape your shins. So I was getting him nice and bloody.

He goes, no, no, no, you just got to contact them, you idiot. And I'm just, it's like cheese graters. And I'm like, yeah, I'm bleeding every week. And he's like, no, you don't want the blood. You just want the contact. Well, if you want to do Muay Thai, it's a good way to cover both bases. Oh, yeah. You beat up your shins.

Do they take the bottles along the... Some guys do. They bang things against their shins. My friend Hans, he kicks poles and shit and does all kinds of weird shit With his shins Like there's a lot of guys who are Muay Thai guys That like just They're always beating up their shins to create microfractures

Aren't the Muay Thai guys like a lot crazier Than the regular MMA guys? No I think MMA guys are the craziest But there's also Look one of the arguably the craziest Is Letwe Letwe is craziest huh but there's also look one of the arguably the craziest is um letway letway is uh a sort of muay thai like like they utilize a lot of muay thai techniques but they do it bare

knuckle and they use head butts and it's myanmar and and they they do it over there and uh david laduke who's a guy who's been on my podcast before he's like the king of letway and uh he's a wild fucker he's a vegan now which is really interesting he just fought as a vegan for the first time so i let me i was talking to lex not that long ago friedman do we want to do a show where we're all dressed like him like lex yeah i tried to i fucked up though i know you did my my shit wasn't um it wasn't cleaned and dry cleaned i thought it was i thought it was and i went to reach for it my wife was like no it's at the dry clean i'm like shit i wanted to shock lex but i

did shock him i wore it at dinner we went to dinner that night but no there's ways you can dress like him that are inspired by him we had uh young jamie lex alex jones and me at a steakhouse that was a fun time tell me that wasn't a fun time private three-hour podcast it was yeah it was fucking fun it was fun very interesting conversation yeah i had alex i was on with alex with on tim pool show yeah and i was basically the alex whisperer because he says things that in um an inflammatory way. That's not the word I want to use, but he's not saying things that are as crazy as he comes off. Yeah, yeah.

That's what I've always said. Alex is right about far more than he's wrong. It's just the thing that he was wrong about was so egregious and people were so offended by it that they've used that as a thing to discredit everything that he says forever and that's crazy you can't do this is the problem with banning people from social media banning people from these platforms whether it's youtube or whatever like you don't leave any room for redemption you don't leave any room for people to grow and learn well then you're not talking about humans because we all grow and learn i mean if you're if you're saying people don't ever change well you're fucking crazy this is crazy this is literally what being a human is about

is about trial and error especially young yeah and also when you're having problems like alex is uh a guy that's had these bouts of boozing. Like really heavy and, you know, had some kind of psychotic states. And he's also had some really significant brain injuries. Like one of them when he was in high school, he was in a fight and he was literally picked up and pile-drived on his head on the concrete. That's a thing? Oh, yeah. And somebody in a fight picked him up and dumped him on his head

and he was out and really fucked up like brain injury like severe head problems after that brain problems from brain injuries we were talking before the podcast about sam kinnison remember what sam kinnison was hit by a car changed who he is he used to be this like normal sort of quiet kid and then after he got hit by a car changed who he is. He used to be this normal, sort of quiet kid, and then after he got hit by a car, became a fucking wild man. His brother details it in My Brother Sam, the book. Same thing with Roseanne.

Roseanne talked about it on my podcast. She was 15 years old. She was going across a crosswalk. Person couldn't see her. The sun was in their eyes. Hit her in a car, fucked her up. She was in a mental health hospital. She was in a psychiatric hospital

for nine months after that nine months when she was out of her fucking mind couldn't count anymore she used to be a straight-a student like and then became this wild impulsive person it has a direct impact on the way people behave and for this this world where we're supposed to be so kind and so open and so – we're supposed to be so compassionate about people with injuries, particularly traumatic brain injuries. Why is it that when someone behaves crazy and we know that they've had a significant traumatic brain injury, we don't take that into consideration and we don't give them like love and acceptance and and say look i know you're you make mistakes sometimes people fuck up they do and especially people with brain injuries they fuck up how much is their fault here's what's your fault if you don't ever change and now if you take someone off of social media you take someone off these platforms you don't give them a chance to change you don't give them a chance to evolve. You don't give them a chance to evolve.

Yeah, you're marginalizing them. Not just doing that. And you're also disincentivizing people from helping them. Yes. Well, you're punishing people for helping them. Yeah. And then on top of that, you set up this, you're setting up a monarchy.

You're setting up a totalitarian. It's a cathedral. Yeah, it's crazy. And this is what we have now. You know, oh, it's a private company.'s crazy and this is what we have now you know oh it's a private company they can do whatever they want at what point

they can't do they can't discriminate against race they can't discriminate against gender so if you want to repeal those laws then we can have a conversation

yeah it's a good point right because they can discriminate politically yeah or they can discriminate against like what you'd find like offensive

is a very subjective term if you say I'm fat I don't find that offensive. It's just factual. Some people on Facebook find that offensive. Is your Facebook still up? Yeah. Okay. We were talking to Melissa Chen about Melissa Chen,

and you were joking around saying she's fat. I wasn't joking. Some people would think that that's offensive. You and I do not think that's offensive. And if you and I were running a social media platform, we wouldn't want to ban someone for saying what we've already said during this show. There's something else that I think there's another side of this that people don't appreciate. One of my idols is Polly Styrene.

She was the singer in the punk rock band X-Ray Specs. And her daughter just came out with a book about her and she was very she had bipolar right and the thing is when you have a bipolar mom you go from someone who's very sweet and kind and so on and so forth to waking up in the middle of night screaming at you and throwing you down the stairs you know i mean that's the kind of thing and you can tell yourself that's not the real her but you can never unsee that face right and there was this one video shinead O'Connor was having this kind of episode. I don't know if you saw this. She was in some holdup in some hotel in New Jersey.

And she was knowing her family wanted to talk to her. And they were saying, how can you be scared of me? I'm 5'1". And it's like, I don't care how big you are. The things you can say when you're in your throes of mental illness, the cruelty. Yeah. Is you can never unring that bell. And frankly, I think all of us would rather get slapped or punched in the face than hear the evil coming out of someone you love

meant to hurt you. Right, yeah. The idea that you shouldn't be afraid of a person who's 5'1". I'm afraid of rats, okay? They're tiny. Well, they carry bubonic plague. Well, even if they didn't. Yeah.

They're running at you with their teeth out. Yeah, they're no well they carry bubonic plague well even if they didn't yeah they're running at you with their teeth out yeah they're no joke yeah um it's mental health is a component that if these people with mental health problems are inconveniently following the wrong ideology it's very easy to dismiss them yeah you know it know? It's also, like, the Alex Jones things in particular. Like, if someone did, if someone looked at Alex's, his work, like, what he's actually shown to be true in terms of, like, actual real conspiracies, Epstein, he was way ahead with that.

He told me about Epstein a fucking decade ago. Oh, wow. Like, he was ahead of all this stuff he was he was talking about how they have these places where these elites go and they compromise them with underage girls and uh and even in some cases underage boys and i remember thinking like this sounds like crazy talk like meanwhile he was right like look they had a fucking island is that corporate media will tell you there's no evidence for elite pedophilia right no evidence no none okay none and and then on top of that how

about the fact that the guy dies in jail in the most preposterous of ways and you know what you don't think there's maybe a conspiracy that someone murdered him in jail because he knew fucking slews of incredibly rich powerful people and took them to this fucking island. Factually, absolutely, provably true. Impossible to deny. Without a doubt, had these fucking people on his island. Without a doubt, compromised a lot of them. Did you see that guy recently that he had to resign?

Because it turned out he gave Epstein $150 million. What? I did not see that. Pull up this, I believe he's a hedge fund guy, who gave Epstein $150 million for no apparent reason. And they're trying to figure out why. There's a bunch of those guys, man. He compromised a lot of fucking people.

This is something that Jones was telling me about forever. Now, if you looked at the world through your standard your standard wall street journal slash new york times lens backwards he gave jeffrey epstein money that's what i said oh did you i thought you said he by the way around i'm sorry no that's what i said right oh my god that's his retirement i gave jeffrey epstein 150 million dollars did i say jeffrey epstein gave him i might i don't think you said i might have fucked it up i think but he previously said he only gave him 10 yeah look at that guy tell me that guy isn't out there banging pussy i don't think it's pussy you think it's boys i think it's come gutters maybe but i could see that fella being compromised look he's not a good looking guy that's always gonna be his headline it is now we just put him on blast yeah but i mean what i'm saying is it's not like the headlines like hedge fund's always going to be his headline. It is now. We just put him on blast.

Yeah. But I mean, what I'm saying is it's not like the headlines, like hedge fund manager. It's going to be hedge fund manager who paid Jeffrey Epstein $150 million. Yeah. That is a lot of money. That's so much money.

And for what? Like what? Well, that's, it's probably a bribe. It's probably, it's got to be blackmail. What else would it be?

It has to be blackmail. Why else would you give a transfer? What does it say? After his 2008 conviction. Holy shit shit he's worth nine billion but let's so what no i'm just saying it's still look at this he transferred at least 50 million to epstein after the 2008 conviction with sources suggesting it could have been as high as 75 million it was not clear what kind of services mr epsteinstein provided to Mr. Black, whose $9 billion fortune could buy him access to the best lawyers and accountants in the world. Mr. Epstein, though, he styled himself as a financial doctor to wealthy clients.

Yeah, we talked to Eric Weinstein about that. Eric Weinstein, who is a financial wizard, sat down with Epstein and he said, within the first 30 seconds, I knew he was a fraud. He fraud he's like this is a construct this guy's putting on an act Eric's another one who doesn't like trolling no I had I had a good conversation with him trying to persuade him the other way because he's not a comedian no criminal activities connected to Epstein black will also donate 200 million to efforts to seek to achieve gender equality and protect and empower women. How is money

going to do that? That's crazy. Buy a lot of hula hoops. Hmm. Okay. Wow. It's got to be girls. If he's donating money for girls, it's got to be underage girls.

It's not boys. He's not saying child trafficking. Right, right, right. Or LGBT or something like that. There was probably... Look, Clinton flew with him 28 times. 28 times. Like, how many fucking people were compromised by that guy?

Look, this is something Alex was talking about a long time ago. He's not just the CEO of that hedge fund. He's also the chairman of MoMA. Oh, wow. Museum of Modern Art. Oh, geez. That's probably why it has more to do with more money. Yeah.

The chairman of MoMA. Holy crap. Listen, man. There's probably a ton. So my point is, these are things that Alex Jones was talking about before anybody. Yeah, of course. Alex Jones, who snuck into Bohemian Grove in the fucking 90s. Did you see that?

I'm sure you see, but people should look up the video where he confronts David Gergen about it. Oh, yeah. And David Gergen, who is like an android, loses his shit. Yeah, yeah. We played that on the podcast. It's amazing. Look, Alex has been, he has, like he was the one who was explaining the World Trade Organization and the use of government troops to act as

People that what's that turn agent provocateurs when they smash windows and start fires So the attorney peaceful protest into something the cops can come in squash and they did that with a World Trade Organization With the World Trade Organization in Seattle, they literally made it impossible to walk through with a pin on that had WTO with a red line through it. That ain't no protest zone. So if you were showing up for work

and you had a book bag, and on your book bag it had a pin on it that said WTO with a red line through it, they wouldn't let you pass. Which is nonsense. That's crazy. Alex detailed all of that. He also talked about how those people were arrested, the people who were the agent provocateurs.

They all were in a safe house, and they were somehow or another all released. And that there was some sort of negotiations took place, and instead of arresting them and apprehending them for all their violent acts of smashing things and lighting things on fire, whatever the fuck else they did, they released them all. He detailed every step of the way. How much heat have you gotten for being friends with him and having him on the show? A lot, but I don't pay attention. Okay.

Yeah. I just, I can justify it. Look, I mean, I won't justify the things that he's gotten wrong, and I don't think he will either. But I'll tell you, that fucking guy is right about a lot of shit and when he was on this podcast and he talked about how 80% of the people that took the Moderna vaccine had significant side effects particularly after the second dose people like no fucking way so we played Bill Gates and I put it on my because people were saying you had an anti-vaxxer on your podcast I played the

Bill Gates clip where Bill Gates is being interviewed by CBS, and he says it himself that 80% of the people experience significant side effects, just like the nurse was telling us earlier today when we got tested. She experienced chills and shakes. And she said all her friends did too. Yep, all her friends did. So this is something that Alex was saying, and people were denying it. Yep, all our friends did.

So this is something that Alex was saying and people were denying it. Also, Alex was talking about how children in Sudan were involuntarily given these polio vaccines and a lot of them got polio from the vaccine. We were like, what? So then he shows us there's a fucking AP news report, an article from AP, Associated Press, that shows this poor little terrified child. And they're squeezing his mouth open, they drop this oral vaccine in his mouth, and it talked about how many of these kids got polio from this vaccine. These are

things that Alex says that, you're not hearing people talk about this. This is not something that's mainstream discussed, and it doesn't mean that vaccines are bad, but this is a fact. This is a thing that happens. Every medicine, including Tylenol, aspirin, whatever, there's going to be a small percentage of the population who are going to be allergic or have negative side effects. Yes.

So you should not be surprised if there's a vaccine. I'm not a doctor, but it would stand to reason that the human bodies are so different that one out of a billion, something bad is going to happen as a consequence. Yeah, or a lot higher number than that. You know, and especially if you're doing something that takes a young, healthy person, like the nurse that was in here earlier, and gives them a severe side effect. Even if it's only air quotes 24 hours, it's still... Significant. Yeah.

Yeah, it's real. And look, for her, it was worth it. You know, she works in the ICU and it boost real and look for her it was worth it you know she works in the icu and it has it boosts her immune system and it really does work but the the idea that he shouldn't be able to discuss this is crazy these are facts you should we should be informed and there's a lot of information other than that that he's talked about that's true you can't deny it he's he's right a lot a lot but and even if he's wrong a lot of what he's saying is pointing towards things that are truthful or he's saying things that people need to be aware of because you're saying okay crazy people the internet believe this what are they believing but people don't

want to hear that right and they just oh sandy hook Hook. He'll tell you he's wrong about that. But what happens then? So the guy who's been right about so many different things, because he's fucked up about this one thing, you never want to talk to him again? Or have anyone else talk to him. Yeah. That's the thing.

Anybody who saw that podcast of me and Tim Dillon who doesn't think he's fucking hilarious, doesn't think he's quite a character, like, you're wrong. And there's this, you't think he's he's quite a character like it's you're wrong and there's this you know there's you you gotta have room for redemption in this world it's it's it's huge it's if you don't it's gonna come for you and this is what you have to understand it's gonna fucking come for you it's gonna come for everybody but the there is room for redemption if alex jones sat down and said i've been wrong about everything bill gates is right cbs is right anderson cooper is right he would be feted no

they would never have him back on they would use that clip as uh this is justification oh sure all of their they're right look he's he's wrong he admitted he was wrong cast him out of the kingdom yeah yeah well he's already been i see what you're saying yeah i don't know he's he's wrong he admitted he was wrong cast him out of the kingdom yeah yeah well he's already been i see what you're saying yeah i don't know he's he's managed to survive but milo like when was the last time you heard anybody talking about milo milo was a cultural phenom right for a long time people were constantly he was constantly in the news when he was writing for bright bar and he was at the head of things he was constantly in the news it was a big deal now you don't hear a peep out of the guy and what what was his worst was the worst things that he did well the things that he's done if you look at the things that

people have done on the left like there's there's similar like what's the worst thing that he did was it like the talk about children? About young children? Or young gay boys? I talk about this in my book, and then you're right. Because if any other context people were saying, don't be heteronormative, what he was saying, to some extent, is that it's not uncommon for older gay men to... Back in the day, this was always the case. Kind of introduce younger men into the life because they didn't know any gay people.

Younger gay men. Right. And it's not the same parallels as a straight relationship, as a gay relationship. And Milo was saying, okay, there was this, I don't know if I'm quoting him correctly, but there was an older priest who basically kind of took advantage of him to some extent.

And that was his first gay experience. And he was saying that he was the predator. That's what he was saying. Right. But I think he was kind of joking. Yeah, he was joking. Tongue in cheek, yeah. He did it on my podcast. Yeah. You know, that's one of the conversations. Right. But I think he was kind of joking. Yeah, he was joking. Tongue-in-cheek, yeah. He did it on my podcast.

Yeah. You know, that's one of the conversations. Another one was on, was it the Drunken Peasants podcast? That was the one that got him canceled, yeah. I mean, this is a strange thing to decide when a man is talking about his own personal experiences with a sexual relationship. He's not saying that he's done that. He didn't say that at all. And then, what else did he do?

Those are the big ones. That was the one. That was the big one. Because that's when all the conservatives turned on him. Exactly. He got canceled from CPAC. Breitbart dropped him, all this other stuff. What does he do now?

He's got a show on Gavin's network. Oh, does he? Yeah. It's on Kumia Studio. It's dangerous, I think, to silence. That's the name of the show, I think. It's called Dangerous? I think so.

It's dangerous to silence people. And I think that the problem is, if you're not silencing things are moving so quickly and this is the argument for silencing people and I don't agree with silencing people but this would be the argument for it things are moving so quickly that say things like

what happened with Capitol Hill the attack on Capitol Hill the argument is and this is obviously i'm not making parallels with what milo talked about and that that is like capitol hill was a fucking crazy thing that happened but what the argument for silencing like conservative voices or crazy voices right would be that this sort of a thing like no one has enough time to combat bad speech with better speech when you're dealing with like a 24-hour period before someone storms the Capitol.

Like that you really got to do something. You got to cut these people off. You got to stop these and this is what the approach they had to parlor, right? This is the burn it all to the ground approach. Amazon says you can no longer be hosted. I mean, you think about all the wretched shit that gets said on Twitter. Oh, yeah. From my account, yeah. But no one says we have to ban Twitter.

But out of all the things that got said on Parler, what is the percentage that were inflammatory? What is the percentage that was calling for insurrection, attacks on the Capitol? What was the percentage of things that were racist? I bet it's a tiny fraction. Because a totalitarian ideology can't have any space outside its purview, whether it's the bedroom, whether it's video games, whether it's at a bar, TV, podcast, or social media site. Yeah, but I just think it's so short-sighted because... That's why I'm optimistic.

They've set this precedent where you can just decide that when one or two or a thousand people post something fucked up, you can shut the whole network down. Here's why that's dangerous. And I'm not saying that this is the case. for sure, some sort of unscrupulous agent, whether it's another country or a competitive company or what have you, can inject some new accounts into a social media platform and use those new accounts to make inflammatory posts, racist posts, violent posts, call for insurrection, call for the murder of pelosi and all these crazy things and then you take that social media platform down this is something that would be easy to do but this there's another big danger which i think the left historically has understood

that if people feel unheard if people see feel unseen like fat people right if you are just thrown into the garbage and not regarded as a human being, that is going to have negative psychological consequences. When you have that in the political space, how many people voted for Trump? 72 million? Let's say 1% of that, like 72,000, right? If you have people who have nothing to lose, who are being rendered invisible, who cannot be heard at any cost, that is pushing them toward a violent direction. And I think this country is in a very, I'm very concerned about violence. I think it follows its own logic.

And what really disturbs me, like we're talking about Twitter, if they started pulling up guillotines, all these corporate journalists would be tripping over themselves to laugh at how dull the blades are. That's how they're removed from seeing what's going on here being like if you ban someone from twitter if you kick someone from every job that they can hold in another situation they're not going to disappear

right and when you have you see this in urban minorities you see this in southern whites when you have poor males who have nothing to fight for the only thing that matters to them is their respect yeah and if they're not that honor culture thing and they flip off at the top of hat if they don't have that sense of being respected they're going to force you to respect them a big frida is a is a bounce singer you know like a queen of bounce in new orleans bounce bounce is like a kind of music from new orleans it's a mix of different things. I don't, whatever. The point is he's this big sissy. He got shot because some nobody wanted to say, I'm the one who shot Big Freedia. So if you have people who, like the guy who shot Pulse, all these crazy, when you got people who are completely marginalized and no one talks to

them, there's going to be someone who will talk to them. And you don't want that person to be the one talking to them because that person is going to exploit them and put them in very bad directions. You see this with terrorism too. Like they finally feel like I have a mission. I matter. It's really, really dangerous. And I beg people in journalism to take a step back and try to take some pressure off. And I'm not saying to validate these people. And try to take some pressure off.

And you're not. I'm not saying to validate these people. I'm saying if you're just pointing and laughing. At a certain point someone will take that dare. And do something very, very scary and very dangerous. New Zealand was an example of this. You know the guy shot up a mosque. It was horrible.

Yeah. Live streamed it right? Yes. And then he's joking in his manifesto about Candace Owens and things like that. I don't think – I was going to say they're playing with fire, but they did it all last year. So I really hope someone just takes a step back. And if you're trying to persecute people in any way or be vindictive to people at the very bottom, things have a way of blowing up. And isn't it weird that during this time where things have never been more volatile, right? Things are so close to some sort of a violent

encounter. Then they've ramped up their censorship and they've ramped up the discrimination against a lot of the voices that are coming from the right. They've changed a lot of their policies in regards to what you can and can't say and what will and will not be tolerated. And people that are getting, like, if you even suggest that there may have been some impropriety involved in the elections. Right. And you, like, I think we both agree on, here's a thing that I like to say to people,

because I don't think that Trump secretly won the election. I do not. But here's what thing that i say i like to say to people because i don't think that trump secretly won the election i do not but here's what i do think the amount of voter fraud is not zero how could we have gone from an election which was the most corrupt ever right and like russia was involved there's a three-year investigation and under trump's auspices it became the most secure election in history you would not have the space to determine how secure an election was the week after right you have to start digging and start looking and investigating there's always going to be some uh election fraud i'm an anarchist i think all elections are fraud but that's a side issue but for them to insist that it's dangerous

to question the results of an election that in itself that is who's running this country is it the social media people or is it the government that's so hypocritical too i mean you can go back to nancy pelosi's tweets after the 2016 election saying that it was a there was a fake election yeah the results were fraudulent so it's yeah it's only fraudulent you can't question it when it's a result that they like but if it's all that so the this kind of um uh when i'm weaker than you i ask for freedom because that's according to your principles when i'm stronger than you i take away your freedom because that's according to my principles

that's the ruling paradigm and it's it's increasingly obvious i think i think we both agree on that right we both agree that censorship is dangerous. We both agree that this country has never been closer to some sort of a violent encounter. But what do you think could be done to ease things up? What do you think can be done? Do you think that removing all restrictions on social media is the answer? And if that was the case, since there's always been, these restrictions have been around for so long if all

of a sudden they remove these restrictions don't you think there would be a flood of people trolling constantly and and saying crazy shit and then turning it into like 4chan and then turning it into the real internet right well for twitter's twitter's not the real internet right if you ask me ask me to choose between 4chan and cnn I don't know which one I'd have to choose. I'll take 4chan. Yeah. I'll take 4chan. I've asked myself this.

If I were the Biden administration and if I were CNN, what would I do to mitigate this increasing level of contempt and unrest among certain fringe circles? And it's also made pockets of the left. I don't know if you saw this. Black Lives Matter was marching in Washington, D.C. yesterday, last week, excuse me, chanting, burning it all down. So there's plenty of people in that movement who are livid that they're not feeling represented

by this new administration. Some of the things I would do is to have some kind of tokenism from people on the right, give them some positions, and make a pretense, at least, that we're having conversations with them. Just have them once a week on CNN. But it's the same faces. Biden has boasted, and I think very fairly, that he's been around since the 70s and he's bipartisan. He knows

how to work across the aisle. Have meetings with Matt Gaetz or have a meeting with some of these younger Congress people. Make it a photo op but at the very least it's going to be hard to get the people in the center right to feel like biden's completely the devil because they look at the screens they'll be like oh look you know he's making an effort and for many people they want to feel like there's at least an effort being made even if nothing comes of it yeah do you think that it's possible to one of the things that Jack Dorsey described is having a second Twitter, having this sort of like censored Twitter and then having a Wild West Twitter? Well, yeah, that's the market, you know, but that's what Parler was. Parler was in many ways a Wild West Twitter.

In many ways, but because there was no Wild West Twitter, it became a voice of only the conservatives. But the Wild West wasn't that bad either. Not that bad. Yeah the question is though the problem with parlor is it's all just conservatives if you had a wild west for i don't know i don't know i might be wrong about that but i think that was the impression a lot of people got whereas a lot of twitter is mostly there's a lot of right wing there's plenty of right wing people on twitter yeah but there's i don't think there was a lot of left wing people on parlor correct but it's an asymmetry yeah the question is if they had a wild west twitter would it become all right wing because one of the things that does happen

there's been actually studies about this when you have uncensored comments like youtube comments they lean heavily male and they lean heavily right is that true yeah but yeah like one of the things about youtube comments it's like one of the last refuges for political free speech from the right in a uncensored well i guess it's censored somewhat yeah but in a mainstream social media format is the comments on youtube videos look there's also the issue of like back in the day everyone was on okcupid or e-harmony and now there's thousands of dating sites you know christian mingle there's one for farmers i think whatever tinder farmers only is that what is it okay commercials they're amazing i have not yeah farmers only.com uh but you there's

no reason everyone has to be on Twitter that's true it could have to be divided based on ideology yeah well it's a monopoly only in the sense

that it was there first and it's used most it's not it doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to make another one of those I agree with Glenn Greenwald a lot and the point he made

that it's extremely dangerous to censor a president because if this president is doing the things you're talking about we need to know immediately because if you have a president who's what you're believing is advocating insurrection and violence you shouldn't have to wait a day to find out you need to be on top of this stuff immediately and the fact that he did it while he was in office that's my point yeah who so symbolic of the problems that were happening today it was weird i mean look but then again they thought in their defense like he was going to call for insurrection like he had already done something so crazy right he was like you got to show them strength they don't respond to anything

else you got to march towards that capital he basically goaded them into moving. He said peacefully. What the fuck ever. Whatever? That's kind of a big word. Sort of. They're going to listen. They're walking towards the Capitol in a massive mob of people. Once that mob get... You know what mob mentalities are like. Once they start chanting and screaming

and the cops realize they can push past the boundaries and the barriers and they're climbing the wall. He wasn't out there screaming, stop this right now, this is anti-American. He was saying you need to show force. Strength and force aren't the same thing. Oh, that's right.

Show of strength. Yeah, you're right. I mean, maybe he needs to work on his abs. That's how you show strength. That's definitely how he needs to work on his abs. Do you think we'd have a Jack president think the rock could be president uh would people be mad that he's on steroids you don't know that he could be natty you've never natty reacts only fuck you talking about did you see that there's a new show for him the young rock what yeah they're having a show based on him as a kid.

Oh, like with an actor? Yeah. It's set in the future. I don't know how. What? Yeah. But it's like 70s clothes. Yeah, it's set in the future.

Oh, my God. I can't do this. They're going to show the kid running trends. This is like someone was high in a meeting. How about... Well, they did Young Sheldon. They put it in the future. Wait, I still don't understand this.

From the 70s. Dwayne. They put it in the future. But we have them from the 70s. Dwayne Johnson runs for president in 2032. He takes a comedic look back at his extraordinary life through the outrageous stories of his family and youth that shaped him into the man he is today, explores his childhood years living amid influential wrestling icons while his dad rose to fame in the business, his rebellious team. This is going to be the best show that's ever lived. You know what the working title was? Hell on Earth. influential wrestling icons while his dad rose to fame in the business his rebellious team this is

going to be the best show that's ever lived you know what the working title was hell on earth it sounds like a nightmare jesus he could be president you think if trump can do it anyone can oh he's very charismatic he could do it way easier than trump oh yeah yeah i mean people would like him like he would get a lot of the people would like him. All he would have to do is have a reasonable political stance on things and then make a commitment to having a cabinet filled with people that don't have their hooks or don't have Goldman Sachs with their hooks in them and don't have their hooks, special interest groups dictating what they do, and just have the best experts that can fix the economic crisis,

the environmental crises. And if he just had like great speeches that were someone like you sat down, a good writer and constructed them and, you know, and he worked at it, he's a fucking icon and he's a giant. Here's the problem. Handsome? Here's the problem. What a body. No,'s a giant. Here's the problem. Handsome? Here's the problem. What a body.

No, cum cutters. Here's the problem. The DNC, the Democratic Party, has shown that they have no problem being very heavy-handed in forcing their candidate through the finish line. Yeah. Bernie Sanders was ahead in every single poll for Super Tuesday, except I think Minnesota, which is Klobuchar country. Someone got on the phone with her. Someone got on the phone with Pete Buttigieg and said, here's what's happening. Biden's our guy.

You're canceling your campaign today and you're endorsing him today. And they got their asses on the plane. So I think if they had someone that they couldn't control, you would be very surprised to see how heavy handed the Democratic Party would be to ensure they got their nominee. And you can't blame them because it's a big organization that owes a lot of things to a lot of people. I agree with you. However, I think that The Rock has far more juice than Bernie Sanders ever did. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Far more, yes. The test.

But just I think they wouldn't be able to do that with him just like the republicans weren't able to do that with donald they tried to do that with trump but you're also could there's a big asymmetry i keep that's the word of the day hey kids if anyone says asymmetry scream real loud um take a shot the corporate press would if they wanted to would destroy the rock whereas they didn't have the power in the Republican Party to destroy Donald Trump. Maybe. Or maybe the trust in the corporate press will deteriorate so much over the next four years. They won't have the ability to do that anymore.

Oh my God, what a glorious day that would be. I think the trust in the corporate press has never been lower. I i'm doing my part so the bat this is my little my little dumb quote the battle is won when the average american views a corporate journalist exactly as they view a tobacco executive these people are selling a product this product is deadly there are a lot of smart people hard working educated but don't mistake them for anything else yeah don't mistake them yeah and they're not your friend no well and also like you're you're dealing with a lot of this with the culture that is entering to journalism now the culture that is getting into journalism that Matt Taibbi

has a fantastic book he's the best hate inc is so good it's so good i just finished it today it's so goddamn good um and he ends with uh a discussion with noam chomsky oh yeah noam chomsky had that great quote about how the best way to control a population is to have vigorous debate within strictly delineated context to give the appearance of disagreement. And that's exactly—he nailed it. Yeah, he nailed it. Yeah, and this book is—it's just so brilliant at talking about how bad journalism has gotten and how it happened and how they're essentially in the business of hate. And how they're essentially in the business of hate. And while I'm reading this, Sagar Ngeni from The Hill, he put out a poll, like this graph rather, that shows CNN's ratings post-Donald Trump being in office down 45%.

Wow. Holy crap. 45% is crazy. That is crazy. Like if you had a show and the show was down 45%. That's down to 45 people. That's terrible. But they would be like, it's over for you, buddy.

Yeah. Like you've crashed. Did you see that Brian Stelter told Ted, what was his name, Jenning? Peter, like, oh, I don't care about my ratings. Well, you should. It's your show. Wow. He's just talking nonsense.

Yeah. It was really, it was tom brokaw excuse me people can look this up he's that's nonsense talk it so he's also he also said that there was a problem you just see when they were talking on his show when the him and his guests were discussing the problem with these youtube shows getting all of these ratings i saw that that was crazy it wasn't crazy it's them showing their hand. It is. But it's crazy that they're actually making an appeal to authority that perhaps someone should step in

because these YouTube channels get more attention than CNN does. And, of course, CNN deserves more attention than these YouTube shows. Just for context, I was thinking about it. CNN, all of them would be getting less views, not just CNN. Fox is down 14%. CNN is ahead of Fox, according to articles coming out in the last two weeks. That's interesting, because over the last two weeks. Articles coming out the last two weeks.

Go to Sagar's Instagram, and you can see. I saw it going around. You see the graph that he put up? The graph that he put up showed a significant decrease with CNN and a much smaller decrease with Fox. Maybe that's exact. Maybe that is the beginning and then

maybe it's changed over time and now CNN. The graph is just showing a change in audience, not like what the audience is. Okay. So it's showing the percentage and change. So it's showing the percentage in change. So it had a higher percentage in change, I suppose. What does that mean by change? It's like the fortune that you lost.

I know, that's like a weird thing. But it says it's down 43.69%. Yeah. It says viewership is down, Jamie. That's not what it says. It doesn't say it changed. It says viewership is down. Jamie, stop.

Look at the actual article, not the headline. How to read. CNN's average viewership across 125 through 129 was down 43.69% in the eight hour among total viewers age two plus. Two plus. They don't count those one-year-olds. Those fucking idiots. It's just compared to the week before, though. Yeah.

That's it. But the week before was the inauguration. Yeah, it's the post-election inauguration. That's what we said. So overall, though, Fox is down more because CNN is higher rated than Fox is. This is just for one week, though. What does that mean? But Fox is only down 18%, Jamie.

Fox, no, that's MSNBC. Fox is up one. Fox is 598 for Fox News. Isn't a rating chart, though? 4.3. Yeah, but it's the amount of viewers that are down. That's what we're talking about. Over a one-week time period.

Okay, but it's still right after the election, Jamie. It's only been a month after the election. And this, after the election, they're showing how people drop off radically and it shows exactly what we said that Fox got less drop-off for the first time in 20 years Fox is not the top rated news cable network okay yeah but this is on Fox okay wait no hold on wait I want to understand what you're trying to say because I sort of say like all news channels are down right what I'm saying yes over it but I'm saying there's a big difference between someone being down 45 which is almost half their audience and someone being down seven percent i'm saying it's not down

it's what they're reporting in that thing is a change of 45 over a one week time period it's being it's not a change it's down 45 in a one week time period it's not a huge statistic i'm not following jamie everyone? It's a huge statistic. I'm following your point. Jamie, everyone thinks it's a massive statistic. I mean, this is something that's being discussed by pundits across all sorts of different... I want to understand... I'll reel back.

I'm wrong because... No, no, no. Don't look at it like that because I hate it when I'm trying to make a point and people don't understand me. So I really want to hear what you're saying. My point was that not just CNN is being down. Correct. All news stations are probably down. All news consumption is down.

Oh, correct. Everyone's done with it. That's true. So shitting on CNN is unfair, I feel like, because all of them are down. And when I look up who's rated where, Fox is down more by not just Vox. I see what you're saying.

So you're saying that one chart is making, it's out of context because Vox overall is down by much more. It's just CNN had more severe during that week. Correct. Okay. So is CNN rebounded or has Vox deteriorated significantly as well?

That's the part of like getting into the numbers of things because when you use percentages, that's not talking about millions of numbers the numbers of things because when you use percentages that's not talking about millions of numbers or how many people actually tuned in it's the percentage that's going five you know if you go in from 10 to 5 that's 50 but if you went from 3 to 2 that's 30 you only have two people watching yeah but fox used to be the highest rated program so would be higher numbers now they're number three though so i mean's number one? CNN is number one. Because all the boomer cons have gone to OANN and Newsmax. No.

They've all switched. But where do you even get Newsmax? It's on the cable. What do you mean? That's on cable? Yes. I thought that was only on YouTube. Well, that's why you've got to put a stop to it.

Newsmax on YouTube is getting more than CNN. We can't have this happen. I think it is, honestly. Probably. They get big numbers. Now, OAN. Yeah. They are on TV as well?

Correct. No. Yeah. Really? Yeah. What's it on? I don't know. It's like one of them channels?

It's one of the... Like the Scientology channel? Is that a thing? You know Scientology has a channel? No. Yeah. Yes, they do. For instance, using this percentage as a metric, which I feel is unfair,

makes this story look drastically different. CNN has rose 176%, and that's why it's over Fox News. And MSNBC is over it, too. Fox's daytime, but over a period of a year, right? But they're saying that over a year. That almost adds to my point of saying just using a one-week time period to say it's down 50% gets everyone murky, and we're in this weird argument.

So they're up 176 and they regress, so it's like they're up 130. So that's still a huge, massive gain. There's still people watching it. Yeah, yeah. It's all weird. When is this article from that you're showing us, Jim? This is from the 3rd to last week. Okay.

I was trying to find more up-to-date articles and stuff. That is amazing. Fox doesn't know what to do with itself anymore no well here's the thing that none of them know what to do with themselves right like they need an enemy and i think fox is probably gonna find some things to hate about the body minister you know who's getting it who's uh i'm watching her crack like real early on the press secretary oh my god it's so funny oh my god it's so jessaki she's barely hanging in there she's gonna circle back with you and to conservative twitter yeah i am gonna circle back you know what's really funny she's cracking early i went through her old tweets because i have nothing to do and we trump's big rallies

were like this is a problem. Super spreader events. Oh, my God. He's preaching violence. In 2012, she and others were boasting about how much Obama's rallies were bigger than Mitt Romney. So when you like it, the big rallies are a good thing. But that's not during a pandemic. Sure.

But I'm talking about even before they were saying before the pandemic, they were attacking him for these rallies. She was doing this? The left. I don't know about her personally. course you don't remember this how he's rallying hate and jim acosta standing there he said he was scared he was encouraged people to be journalists okay yeah okay so the attitude well there there was some significant behavioral differences in the trump rallies sure i had never seen at a political reality rally before did you see when you see the new the cnn people just getting shit on there in in their face like people screaming at them at trump rallies i'd never seen that before pre-pandemic

did you see when trump was campaigning he joked about killing the press no i didn't see that he had a um you could probably find this he was talking about putin and he says oh putin kills people in the journals we don't like that and he goes look at these people in the back i would never kill them uh let's see no no i would never kill them but the horrible people and it's like you're you're kind of joking about killing them so uh you know greg gianforte no he was running for congress in Montana, and there's a journalist, and I forget his name, I apologize. And he body slammed him, and he tweeted out, Greg Gianforte just body slammed me and broke my glasses. That's not cool, obviously.

You don't put your hands on somebody. Right. And they tried to find one voter who changed their opinion on him, and they couldn't find one. And now he's governor or senator. He just won. I think it's governor. Can you look up governor montana he's the governor he body slammed the reporter and broke his glasses wow that i mean

that's what i'm talking about how how's he not in jail that's assault i don't he didn't do any time for that but this is what i'm talking about how the press needs to be careful how so many of these things are happening and it's how many steve scalise yes that's when you have people talking that was a bernie bro but you have people uh saying i'm glad ran paul was assaulted on twitter and no consequences for this and his wife i forgot her name she was like jack like this happens on a daily basis people are like you know i love ran paul's neighbor on it all the time and you don't care. This is really, really dangerous territory. Well, you remember when people were leaving, what was that Republican event?

And Rand Paul was swarmed by people. And Rand Paul, he's the guy who wrote the Breonna Taylor bill. Yeah. I mean, but because he's Republican, these, I, I think it was BLM protesters were in his face. He had misdemeanor assault charge. Not enough damage to lead to a felonious assault charge. He pled guilty, paid a $385 fine, completed 40 hours. How is body slamming someone not a felony?

Imagine, you could get away with it for only $380. $50,000 done in two. Oh man, good thing I'm on a bulk. It's hard to pick me up. someone not a felony let's imagine you could get away with it for only 380 bucks 50 000 oh man i good thing i'm on a bulk it's hard to pick me up what do you do what do you weigh now 153 wow i'm huge bulking for my bulk that so i i'm just i'm also very worried about all the warfare that they're starting they didn't miss a beat there scary and friggin liz cheney i mean she wants to kill your children it's it's really really sick and and um i i'm very worried about that that especially the warfare state i'm worried about china oh yeah that what about hong kong yeah i know right isn't that crazy that's the they did that and there's like no fucking

press about it they literally took over hong kong they imposed the same sort of be rules that on the populace that they have in mainstream or mainland china did you see the headline the new york times how uh how china beat the coronavirus and about how great the chinese communist party wasn't beating it headline news right here from the fifth power patriotism and 1.4 billion people how china beat the virus they welded people into their homes yeah fuck are you talking about and they lie i i will and they lied yeah for sure yeah it's it's uh it's really kind of scary how china is covered in the west yeah um and it doesn't get anywhere near the attention it deserves in my opinion no very little discussion of the uyghur Muslims.

This is what I was talking about with Yan Mi. She goes, if we put pressure on China, North Korea is liberated tomorrow because they're the ones propping them up. Because I said there's nothing we can do. She got very angry. She goes, no, you're wrong. One thing we can do is stop placating China and stop singing its praises. Yeah, it's scary the power they have over the world health organization too oh yeah

the world health organization is uh again recently dismissed the idea that the the uh coronavirus came from a laboratory that it was part of a lab leak when all these biologists are saying that now and it's it was on the cover of newsweek lab leak hypothesis. It's being discussed openly now that Trump is no longer the president. It's not an issue. World Health Organization. Six months ago, it's paranoia. We have to block this person.

It's paranoia. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah. It's racist. Yeah, people were mad at me. These goofy left-wing websites were saying that I'm pushing these unheralded conspiracy theories because I had Brett Weinstein,

who's an evolutionary biologist, on the podcast discussing why there's evidence that points to this having been created in a lab. Do you know what it is, though, with blue-pilled people? It's like the people in the 60s who thought Liberace was straight because you've never seen him sucking dick, right? So it's like, until you see someone in the lab, they're not going to believe it because they're told not to. Look at this. Peter Daszak of the World Health Organization team investigating the origins of SARS-CoV-2 says that Wuhan Institute of Virology

could not have been the source of the virus as the Institute's staff spent all of autumn 19 asleep in the hammock in the yard. What? He's being sarcastic. Oh. That's a weird way to be sarcastic. For those not convinced the matter is settled, this analysis is worth a look.

Click on that link. Right. An open debate on SARS-CoV-2 proximal origin is long overdue. Yeah, they... Look at all those names, too. That's not like one random crackpot if you want to dismiss it that way. These are people from international major establishments. Yes, exactly. crackpot if you want to dismiss it that way these are people from international major establishments yes exactly and this is this is mainstream discussion now because of the actual components

of the virus like it exhibits all these traits that just don't occur in the wild this quickly and there's also traits that you find uh very clearly in laboratory viruses. There's a fucking level four biology lab right there in Wuhan. This is not outside. It's not impossible that it came out of a lab. The resistance to that, the fact that people know for sure that it didn't come from that,

has to come from some influence. What is that influence? It's China. I got a great little quote for you. Okay. We have more evidence of biological weaponry coming out of China influence what is that influence it's china i got i got a great little quote for you okay we have more influence evidence of biological weaponry coming out of china than we did of nuclear weaponry coming out of iraq and we start a war over that that's true and here it's just like

don't talk about it we don't see anything and it's it's really sick it's the i don't think they're thinking of his biological weaponry though but i mean that's what it would be well i don't think that no no no no i think weaponry, though. But, I mean, that's what it would be. Well, I don't think that. No, no, no, no. I think it's an accidental leak. No one's saying that this is on purpose. But why are they building it to begin with? I'm not saying they did it on purpose. We have those here in Galveston.

We're trying to make viruses? No, we have experimental viruses. We work on experimenting with viruses to try to come up with some sort of vaccines or remedies or find out how these viruses work like we we you know there's a there's a oh so they're making it for research purposes not for weaponry purposes yes okay yeah i mean that's what that lab is the center for disease control in galveston i went i visited that place with duncan it's the scariest fucking place i've ever been to in my life why is that because they have everything in there they have everything they could kill everybody

ebola giant thick plexiglass walls everybody's walking around like they're in a fucking moon suit it's wild man it's wild shit when you go over there do they have smallpox still they must i bet they have everything because there's one place that still has it i think but it's really interesting the doctor who we interviewed he he said and this was a few years back i think duncan and i were there in 2012 he said that he's not concerned with biological weapons he's concerned with just nature he's concerned with another pandemic that just this happens in nature but that doesn't mean that people can't fuck with viruses and then it gets out. There is the possibility of someone creating some sort of a super virus, no doubt.

David Friedman has that great point about global warming. He goes, at a certain point, whether it's man-made or natural, it doesn't matter if it's going to destroy civilization. We've got to figure out how to stop it if that's the case. Yeah, that's a good point. That is a weird one, right? Like people, well, it's always been a natural cycle like and then it becomes a political thing like everything they dig their heels in the sand the signs are settled and then other people go they're killing us with their ignorance like is that true too that might not be either that

might not be correct either did you see that greta thunberg's in trouble in india now what'd she do she tweeted out accidentally a bunch of talking points that were written for her. And they're like suing her for... I don't remember the exact details, but she's in deep water. She's 12. No, she's like 17 now. She's eight years old. No, no.

She's old enough to be a child shield for people with an agenda. It's so strange that they keep going to that girl. Like, how did that happen? One thing. How dare you? I should be in school on the other side to that girl. Like, how did that happen? One thing. How dare you? I should be in school on the other side of the ocean. Yeah, I mean, it's so weird. And she was person of the year for time.

That's hilarious. It's like, this is your God? That's hilarious. And you've basically set this girl on a path that she cannot change, right? Because you made her famous. You made her famous at a really young age. Right.

And she's kind of autistic-y,'s going on and now you this is her life goal and mission maybe she could have been a fucking great comic book author or she could have you know no she could have made dresses or wrote books there's no one more privileged than the white girl who says i'm not going back to school until everyone changes the weather for me come on how funny was that i just think yeah it was it's it's it's funny how people who are into this issue which they should be understandably look to a child to teach them the way yeah she's she's on a school strike i'm not going back to school my kids could try to pull that shit too daddy i'm on strike well she's she's done good for herself i mean she's made bank the problem is just like we were talking about with hate inc with matt taibbi's book the problem is when you have a girl like that and she becomes a public

persona that guarantees a certain amount of views they're going to keep using that girl well it's also because she's a human shield. It's like Hamas. It's like you can't, because you go after her, it's like how dare you attack a child? How dare you? Yeah, yeah.

How dare you? Same thing with Jimmy Kimmel and his kid. He's like, oh, my kid's sick, so therefore you should have socialized medicine, and I'm going to cry and TP about it. Yeah. Yeah. They don't care.

I just don't understand why someone would allow their kid to do that, allow their kid to become this global target like she is. Come on. You've met stage moms and things like that. This is the ultimate case of that. You're right. I have.

I still don't understand it. Well, because you're a dad. Yeah. Yeah. It's reprehensible. Well, if you genuinely feel like you're saving the world, you're going to do a lot of things. And it's a lot easier to like you're saving the world you're gonna do a lot of things and it's a lot easier to believe you're genuinely doing something when you're being rewarded so heavily

for it that's true there's this quote which is ascribed to i think upton sinclair incorrectly which is it's very hard to convince someone of something whose job it is dependent on him not understanding that yeah i love that quote so it's kind of like yeah if you're getting incentivized to an enormous extent by having your kid not in school and give these speeches and everyone's all your other parents are gonna be jealous of you you know so especially growing up if you thought she was gonna have to be in some kind of home it's just there's so many hot points on in the the political climate and in the just the cultural climate there's so many spots where there's problems and it seems like it's accelerating. Yes.

That's what bothers me so much. Well, that's why I'm hopeful. But I am. In what way? Because it's very hard for a monoculture to maintain totalitarian control when each little sub-issue is blowing up independently. It's like trying to play whack-a-mole.

You can't do it. That's true, but isn't that an argument against freedom? Because China is able to squash dissent, North Korea is able to squash dissent, because they have totalitarian dictatorships. Right, but... And they figured out a way. So maybe that's the only way that our nation can stay together, is if some Putin-type character takes over. I mean, that would be the argument for that democracy is sort of a failed enterprise. Democracy is a failed enterprise. I think that's, of course, yes. So every vote is a theft. Every

election is stolen. Every vote is a suppression. It makes no sense for me to have to justify my choices to my neighbors about anything. So my rights aren't up for discussion, let alone a vote. They don't listen to the Constitution. I can't get a gun in New York. The Second Amendment is a joke. So this Constitution is like a gun-free zone sign for conservatives. They think, I'll put this on the wall, and people will listen to it. And they go, well, I don't care what that sign says. Well, you should listen to the sign. I'm not gonna. So it's, and especially if you hate Trump, if you think he's a putz and an authoritarian, if you think Joe Biden is on his last legs and is a degenerate, there's no reason for you to be under the authority of someone you dislike or disagree with. If other people want to have Joe Biden as their president, have him as your president. If you want to have Trump as your president, have Trump as your president.

You don't have to have one size fits all because you don't do any other issue. Well, we do because someone has to be the commander in chief. We could definitely start paring down the size of the army. We do not need to be the world's policemen. It's disturbing how people who claim to love the troops are so

desperate to export them and have them blown up and come back mangled. And we shouldn't be having all these bases in germany why are we defending germany right yeah because we don't want china to take over we don't want russia to take over the germans can take care of the russians you think so but what about the chinese what do you mean about the chinese you might need them for the south korea i mean it's a lot easier to make the argument for South Korean troops, the bases than in the German troops, but we're

so exposed throughout the world. Why do you think that is? Because of Woodrow Wilson. Because he had this vision that we're going to redeem the earth, that we're going to be the messiah nation, that the social gospel, which he championed, was the idea that instead of a person having an individual soul

that can be saved, a nation has a soul, and you have to redeem the entire nation. And then you can take America and export Americanism everywhere and have everyone kind of follow the same kind of suit, which sounds really nice, but then it becomes very oppressive very quickly when all these countries are under our thumb. Well, let's say China decides to really ratchet it up. What if they decide to step it up a notch?

What if they decide to take over Taiwan? Yeah. What if they decide to do some really wild shit and just push? I don't think that we have the space ourselves in terms of military or in terms of international affairs to stand up to them. I think anything on that level would have to be just like the world wars some sort of coalition don't you agree yeah maybe um but just even in terms of sanctions the problem couldn't be the ones doing it ourselves they might be crazy enough to nuke us china yeah the only people who've ever used nukes militarily is us. Yeah, up until now. I don't think they're that crazy.

So what do you think they would do? I don't know. If a war broke out between the United States and China, you don't think any nuclear weapons would be used? It seems kind of crazy. It's like agreeing to keep your right hand in your pocket while you have a boxing match. keep your right hand in your pocket while you have a boxing match i think it's more like let's not give each other chainsaws in a boxing match because if one used it the others are going to use it yeah so one of the great things about the end of the cold war is they took gorbachev who's head of the soviet union into the bunker and they gave him the dress rehearsal about how to retaliate if the

americans nuked us and even in that simulation he, I'm not pressing this button. I'm not going to respond. Reagan was the same way. He had decided, as aides say, he never said this on the record, of course, that he's not going to retaliate. So both of them were playing this kind of prisoner's dilemma, where they both decided we're not going to retaliate with nukes, but each thought

the other one was going to be able to retaliate. It was this great, great kind of moment in history. And it's wonderful that these two warmongers reagan you remember when he's a crazy person he's gonna get us into war we're gonna get nukes well and gorbachev he's the head the evil empire and both were like we're not doing the nukes now the chinese is a different story because they're feeling their oats and they're getting very aggressive and i and the fact that so many in the media have a very kind of at least ambiguous perspective on china is of enormous concern why do you think that is do you think they're in their pocket i don't know yeah i think they're in their pocket that's really scary well see what they did to the nba

they got them to back down remember when when the NBA was supporting Hong Kong? No, what happened there? You don't remember? I don't, NBA, you probably know about the NBA. The NBA was supporting Hong Kong. A lot of NBA players were tweeting about Hong Kong and all of a sudden,

China was like, what the fuck are you talking about? Do you want to have no NBA in China? Do you know how much money this is? And they must have had some internal discussions

and then the NBA, just the players completely backed off um the the nba itself started uh saying pro china things no yeah oh yeah you don't know about all this i did not know about this yeah it's it scared the fuck out of a lot of people it should because you know these are organizations that are wholly American. And symbols of America. But that's also how Doctor Strange, you know, the movie Doctor Strange, in the comic book, Doctor Strange's mentor is a Tibetan man. Yeah. In the movie, it's a woman, a bald woman who dresses like a monk and a white lady at that.

Definitely not Tibetan because China doesn't believe in Tibet. Jesus. Yeah. They have deep influence. monk and a white lady at that definitely not tibetan because china doesn't believe in tibet or yeah yeah they have red dawn red dawn was the famous one red dawn in the 80s it was the russians and when they remade it it was it was north korea invading america because they didn't want to have china invading america because they're going to air in china yeah yeah it's it you know lenin had right lenin has this quote which he never said but which is ascribed to him that the capitalists will give us the noose with which we hang them and it's it's um shocking to me to what extent you know corporate power is just soulless and is just chasing that buck yeah and on some obligation to their shareholders right but it's it's that's what's

crazy yeah i i'm very very i'm very optimistic about what's crazy. Yeah. I'm very, very... I'm very optimistic about the future of America, but I'm very disturbed about what's going on in East Asia. It's amazing how much gets done under the premise of the obligation to shareholders. Oh, yeah. That's fucking scary. You know, I tweet this out. The hard left analysis of corporate America is a lot closer to the truth than people realize because we've seen for a year a systemic assault both physically and economically on mom and pop and medium and small business to the enormous consolidation of giant corporations.

We've never seen everything like this, not even the Great Depression during Wilson. I'm a New Yorker all my life the best ice cream store in america whenever i go to city i try the weird ice cream ice and vice closed when i was a kid mom immigrant used to take me to century 21 to get cheap clothes i'd be bored of my mind as an adult i started going there my entire life three branches closed every little unique store doesn't have the bank to stay alive after a year. Whereas Target and Walmart and Amazon, they're sitting pretty. And New York's becoming a mall.

Yeah, it is becoming a mall. Do you think that's on purpose? Yes. You really do? You don't think that this is just a consequence of the pandemic? I think there's an... When you have corporate media, and when you have all these big corporations, and when things work in a way that favors them, in their minds minds it's win-win

because i'm seeing very little concern from from politicians about these small businesses that are being destroyed yeah we and we had those big bailouts in 2008 of every bank and no one's bailing out ice and vice no one's bailing out century 21 too bad what about all these waiters and all these cool restaurants my favorite restaurant in New York Zenkichi I mean they were like small

they've had like a it's like a Oriental Express car it's a little secret place maybe I shouldn't be publicizing it I don't know that they're still around

it's just it's very very sad to me it is sad because a restaurant is like the ultimate small business it's someone who has a passion and a sense of creativity

who's been a chef and now he's like I'm gonna make share my artistry with food, with people, make a living for it. There's not going to be anything like this on earth. I went to Joe Beef, your favorite place for my birthday. Thank you to Greg. It was amazing. But it's also unique.

You're not going to find something like this in another city. And now they're trying to make everything a chain. It really gets me upset. And I'm so over New York now. It's making me very, very angry. this in another city and now they're trying to make everything a chain yeah it's it's it really gets me upset well and i'm so over new york now it's making me very very angry you're so over new york yeah what they've done to it my friend john joseph was just uh putting on instagram how bad new york city is now he said it's like a ghost town he said he runs with his dog at night and he takes him out he's like it's like a fucking town the trains streets new york's train system which was disgusting and is disgusting was the pride of the world because it was 24 7 it hasn't been 24 7 in what close to a year you know it's it's and like

all the kind of every neighborhood had its own personality and that's quickly falling away as all the unique stores that anchored it fall away, all the unique restaurants, all the unique shops. And they don't care. They don't care. Well, clearly the politicians haven't lost paychecks because of this. Their income has no – there's no correlation between how badly the economy has collapsed in their city and how much the money they make. Right, and how much power they have and prestige. Janice Dean, who works at Fox, she's been doing relentless work on Cuomo and what he

did in New York and with the nursing homes and the hypocrisy. Gavin Newsom in California, out to dinner with all his friends. No mask. No mask. Lied about being outside. You would think these people have a little bit of shame and they don't. So I'm shocked and delighted that the New York Times started

turning on Cuomo by several... It's interesting, right? It's surprising. Well, they know they have to to sort of... You think so? Yeah. I think the Democratic Party is going to turn on him too. The same thing with Cuomo. Same thing with Newsom, rather. Because there's been articles on CNN about

Newsom's fall. I think they're going to sacrifice him. And let that recall go through. The recall's at 1.45 million now. How many do they need? They need 1.5. They're really close. It's 1.4 now? Yeah. It's 1.4.

They need 1.45. But they need more than that 1.5 discounted yeah yeah there's going to be a bunch that are discounted so they think they're going to get two they think they're going to get as high as two million well there's not going to be any kind of a voter fraud in that kind of two million right well who knows but what i think is going to happen is the they're probably going to throw them under the bus and they're they're probably gonna throw him under the bus and they're they're probably gonna try to figure out to keep how to a way to keep California blue Wow because the problem is if they do have a recall it's gonna be the elections going to be you're not gonna have anybody that's gonna we're not

gonna have anybody that's gonna go after him from the Democrats right that would destroy their career and they talked about what happened with Gray Davis in California. When Gray Davis was recalled in... 2003? Yes. When Schwarzenegger took over. That happened, and there was someone from the Democratic Party that went against Gray Davis, and their career was over. That was it.

It ended. It ended right there. That is probably what's going to happen unless someone is really charismatic who goes against Gavin Newsom. But Newsom's been so egregious. Yeah. Everything about what he's done, the fact that he allows public schools to just die off, but private schools can have sports.

Yeah. And so these kids in these public schools that were counting on getting some sort of scholarship with sports, they can't do that. But kids in private schools can play sports. Kids in private schools can go back to school. There's a lot of crazy shit. The fact that his winery was open or other wineries were closed. The fact that he went to that French laundry restaurant and lied. It was an outdoor event. Like, lied.

It was an outdoor event. No, it wasn't. There's a chandelier over your head, you fuck. There's no chandeliers outdoors. If you see stars, you're outside. If you see a chandelier, that's called a fucking roof. I started selling shirts that say Governors to Gitmo, GovernorsToGitmo.com to get them, and people love them.

Because at a certain point, this is something else, governors to Gitmo.com to get them and people love them because at a certain point, this is something else people need to think about. In a few years, we're going to be discussing what personal consequences these politicians have to face for what they've done. Because just voting them out

or not getting the salaries is not going to be enough. No, the decisions have been horrendous. And the incentives are against them. You're going to have, if there's a pandemic, every incentive for you as governor is to err on the side of caution and shut everything down. Yeah.

Rather than have some risk where everything in life has to have risk. Every business person has to have risk. Yes. So the incentives don't align with their power and it leads to very nefarious consequences. Yeah, for sure. Look, 75% of all the businesses or the restaurants rather in Los Angeles are gone. 70? No.

Yeah. I had Craig from Craig's and John Terzian, who runs a bunch of restaurants and bars, and they gave me those statistics. They said 75% of the restaurants in Los Angeles are gone. Does that even count fast food places who survived? No. Independent, you mean? No, most fast food places are fine. But that's the point. places who survived? No. Independent, you mean? No, most fast food places

are fine. But that's the point. Is the 25% going to be Burger King? Well, what I think is going to happen is there's going to be quite a few that come back. There's going to be really good chefs and really good restaurants, and they're going to get loans and they're going to come back, but it's going to be hard as

fuck and it's going to take a long time. But there's going to be a lot that never make it back again. And restaurants are traditionally, that's a high risk, low reward. Like the amount of room that they have in a regular restaurant in terms of profit margin is so small that Craig was telling me that when they use, when someone uses DoorDash, like their profit margin, like DoorDash is 18%. They take 18%.

Their profit margin is 15%. So they lose 3% when someone uses DoorDash. They're just trying to stay open. They're just trying to keep their customers engaged. They're trying to feed their loyal customers. But it's also the whole experience of going to a place. Yes, yes. Well, they've allowed outdoor dining to reopen in California,

but they've stopped showing COVID data, which is hilarious. They always promised... It's not hilarious. No, it's not hilarious. It's disgusting. But they always promised this transparent approach.

Yeah, it's scientific. And show this, you gotta trust the science. You know, this Gavin Newsom is always saying that, but now they're hiding the data. It's like, everyone's furious. And there's, you know this is this uh gavin newsom is always saying that but now they're hiding the the data it's like everyone's furious and there's you know there's no options it's like there's nothing you can do and these these people are fucked and they're they're a lot it's there's never been a time where someone came along and prevented you from working do you know what really kind

of triggered me in new york is that um uh cuomo gave the green light to reopen like movie theater beauty salons gyms whatever and in schools and de blasio who's the mayor of new york said well we're not going to let the gyms open for a week or two weeks because we don't have enough inspectors to go around and it's like have the gym owner hire an inspector pay a fee yeah and i mean this is the one place where people are concerned with their health. de Blasio is the only guy that I find more disgusting than all the rest. Well, he's a commie. But it's also this kind of like, who are you to just be like, eh, we can't do it.

So you're going to have to sit and wait like another two weeks of your savings and livelihood. It's reprehensible. He's also a different rules for thee than for me guy. You know, he was going to the gym. Of course. Yeah, yeah. There was a compilation rules for the yes for me guy is you know he was going to the gym of course yeah yeah there was a there was a compilation of all the hypocrisy that i think was gretchen whitmer's husband yeah was asked about her and he's like oh you're i resent this question no it's the governor of uh illinois maybe uh pittsburgh fritzger whatever his name is i resent this question it's just like where nancy's pelosi go in the hair salon saying they should owe me an apology. With no mask on. Yeah. It was a setup.

Yeah. It was a setup. Yeah. There's so many of them. And they're just showing their skin. They're showing their lizard skin. Yeah. Yeah.

Peeling their mask back. And I think a lot of people correctly are getting very, very, very, very angry. I just wonder what they can do other than vote these people out and who they're going to vote in. The influence that whoever is controlling these people have on these politicians, it's going to remain pretty similar. And the problem

is economically places like LA and New York, it's going to be years before they can recover if they ever do at all. New York's not going to be New York, it's going to be years before they can recover if they ever do at all. New York's not going to be New York when it recovers. It's going to be Times Square. That's scary.

That's my concern. Why would you come to open a business where the entire infrastructure is designed to spit on you? Yeah. Well, there's no more disgusting example than what Garcetti did in LA where he allowed the movie. Did you see that one lady that had outdoor dining when they shut outdoor dining down which by the way there's no evidence at all that outdoor dining is spreading the virus none

they shut outdoor dining down this lady had spent thousands of dollars yeah and the cops came yeah and then across the parking lot from her was a movie studio had set up outdoor dining for their production because productions were allowed to restart. Yeah, there's a crazy viral video of this lady crying, talking about all the money that she spent to try to reopen outside. And she built this whole outdoor structure. And she's barely hanging on. And then they come down and say they're going to shut down all outdoor dining for no reason and the reason why they do it is optics that's it they have to show that they're doing something oh yeah yeah but right across the

parking lot they were doing production for a film and they had outdoor dining out there so she gets to watch the other point i made is this lockdowns has given some very very bad people some very useful information about how much people put up with yeah and it was a lot more than i expected and probably a lot more than you expected and now they have that data and i think they're trying to keep pushing it further and further i think you're right and the whole thing with the double masks now you know it's just like what is that it's a joke is's is there real data about the double mask i don't well isn't a mask like 90 so if you do it twice it'll be like 90 if you cover your mouth with rubber you definitely can't breathe out and then you won't get anybody sick so you should cover your mouth with rubber

it's it's uh and i think we all know it's going to play out that first of all this vaccine i don't how efficacious is it aren't people getting sick after the vaccine? I have not heard that. I know that there's some talk about Israel. If you follow our Alex Berenson's Twitter, it's just a constant COVID rant about all the things that are wrong. And, you know, there's some of them that a lot of people are up in arms about, like he's, you know, correlation does not always equal causation. And they're talking about women getting miscarriages after the virus or after the vaccine rather.

And that is apparently happening. Some women are getting. Oh my God. Yeah. And, but the thing is like, would those women have miscarriage? Yeah. There's some, you're talking about so many people. It's hard to know how many women got the vaccine after they were pregnant and didn't have a

miscarriage. Right. I don't know. But there's no, um, there's no studies on pregnant women got the vaccine after they were pregnant and didn't have a miscarriage, right? I don't know. But there's no studies on pregnant women with this vaccine. That's really bad. Yeah, and then you think about what this nurse was telling us, the crazy symptoms that she was expressing, that she was saying she had from the second dose. Now imagine if you had a baby inside of you, and you're shivering and shaking,

and you're cramping shaking and you're cramping and you're in agony and women that are pregnant are already in you know a compromised state immunologically physically it's painful it's difficult it's it's they're tired all the time and then boom you hit them with one of those i mean it's it's crazy did you see they're thinking of trying to do a vaccine passport? Oh, that drives me nuts. That drives me nuts. When I got off the plane in New York, there were National Guard there who wouldn't let me leave until I filled out some forms. And I let them have it. What forms? Where were you?

Just this whole thing with New York State. This was at LaGuardia. And you had to fill this out? You had to fill it out. They blocked my exit and I may have said some things that I don't regret but I won't repeat. Is that legal? Legal

means whatever people in power decide it is. That's what the law always means. During a pandemic. Anytime. But if someone just implemented that out of nowhere with no pandemic. But now they can. Because now they can say we did it during the pandemic and now we need it again. Now we need it constantly.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what happens. That's TSA. Yeah. Al-Qaeda's not putting shoe bombers on, but we still got to take off all our shoes. It's always going to go in one direction. Yeah.

It's never going to liberalize. God damn it, Michael Malice. I'm trying to end this show on a happy note. You're freaking freaking me out shouldn't have made fun of my body dysmorphia and that's what they call trolling well well wow listen brother it was a lot of fun yes sir that three hours just flew was it three hours yeah man it's 4 30 already i'm gonna say one more thing okay someone whose name i won't mention i did your show and they're like how long did it go for and i'm like three hours it's like okay and i didn't realize that when you don't like the people you don't go the three hours oh we'll talk about

that later yeah cut it jamie it's not always the case okay sometimes it's just we're done okay sometimes we're just done okay we just have to be done i thought the person was being a bitch maybe they were could be anyway fun times michael malice thank you tell everybody where they could uh listen to you watch you follow you twitter.com slash michael malice and buy sheath underwear sheath underwear yeah they sponsor me they sponsor lewis they sponsor dave smith they're great company okay good underwear for your cock and balls is that they have a great company. Okay. Good underwear for your cock and balls? Is that the idea? They have a dual pouch. So it's one pouch for your cock, one pouch for your balls. Okay. I'm wearing them now. It feels like someone's giving me a handy while I talk to you.

Nice. Congratulations. Thank you. Alright. Goodbye, everybody. ... ... ...... Bye.