The Joe Rogan Experience - #1621 - Jim Breuer

Episode Date: March 19, 2021

Jim Breuer is a standup comedian, actor, and host of the Jim Breuer Podcast. Catch him live on the "Freedom of Laughter" tour.

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Oh, okay. Good to see you, brother. Good to see you, too. Dude, you're like one of my longest-term comedy friends. Like, we've known each other since the early years, man. I want to say like 91. Yeah, I think it's around 91. And what a lot of people probably don't even know is like the way your TV career, you're

hardball. Yeah, you were on hardball. Jim and I did a pilot for a sitcom that was on Fox in like 93. Yep. Right? Like 93? Yep. And Jim was the mascot for the opposing team.

Right. And it was fucking hilarious. God damn, we had fun. I have a photo of you and I. We look like babies. I got to find it. We look like babies. I would love to see that photo yeah we were both like 26 and we're a little cute face little babies and I remember I

remember watching the show so excited for you and then and then after hardball because I'd always follow you you then was it news radio yeah and I'm like Joe's on news radio and I tell my wife and we would watch like we're so excited for Joe and then just watching you just constantly grow and grow and then and then when you started doing the UFC I would tell my friends, like, that's the real Joe. Like, that's Joe's. And when you start doing this, I went, that's Joe Rogan, man. Meaning, this is how I've known you forever. It's not like we've hung out all the time.

But I remember just being in LA, just hanging out, talking to you. And I couldn't relate to a lot. I wanted leather pants and a fucking white tiger walking down. I was chasing it all, whatever. You're like, start him that way. What did you want? Dude, the first time I went to L.A., I went into a place and i bought like satin blue clothes i wanted really i wanted eddie murphy leather pants with with i with like a tiger i wanted to walk down melrose with a tiger just so

people got a fucker successful so you had some like uh high school boy like the posters on the wall like these kind of thoughts about success without well mtv showed me yeah so i wanted to be i wanted to be uh judas priest i wanted to i didn't know the guy was wearing an snm outfit nobody did he talked so many guys he came out with a bullwhip when he came out as gay a lot of guys like hey wait a minute oh duh i mean look how he's go to give me a photo of rob halford i met rob halford he's a really nice guy i did uh this uh vh1 show that i hosted once and he was one of the guests on it super cool guy great guy you got another thing coming and and i would i would i would argue with people they go brewer you know this guy's gay i'm like

no he's not look at the chaps you don't even see the chaps in that picture he's got he's got a bullwhip he's wearing an snm outfit yes look that one. Go to that one with the open shirt. Right there. He's screaming, I'm gay. And I'm yelling at people going, no, he's not. He's metal, you moron. And the reason why I would argue is because I'd say, he doesn't have an earring in his right ear, because that's what defined what was gay.

I had dangling cross earrings so everyone that was gay knew, hey, Brewer, Brewer is not gay. He's got it on the left side. But if you had it on the right ear,

you're like, oh, this guy. Remember that? Of course I do. I remember if you were a rock and roll guy, you were allowed to have one in two years.

Yeah. You're a rebel. It was a little sketch. It was still a little sketch? For me, it was a little sketch. If you had it in your right ear. And if you had hoops, they couldn't be too big. And still, it was a little sketch. For me, it was a little sketch. If you had it in your right ear. And if you had hoops, they couldn't be too big. I remember I got a hoop on my left ear, and it was a little too big.

And I looked at myself in the mirror. I was like, I don't know about that hoop. I'm glad I didn't know you at that point. I think Joe turned a corner. Something about that. Yeah, something about Joe. He turned a corner. Yeah, Rob Halford, something about Joe. He turned a corner. Yeah, Rob Halford got everybody to dress up like an S&M person.

Dude, I swear in my life, I went to this little show. I grew up in Long Island, and there was this little rock and roll shop named Slip Disc, and they sold the Rob Halford with the spikes. The glove? No. It was around your wristband yeah yeah

and I remember going to order pizza and I and I rolled my denim jacket and I go let me get two slices

and I just would let everyone know like you see what the fuck I got on you see what's going down right what a bunch of morons.

That's so silly. That's why I can't get annoyed at my kids. Because I had a dangling cross-earing. I'm wearing a denim jacket with painted Judas Priest on the back. And I think I know the world. I mean, that's... And I'm in LA, and I'm ready to wear leather pants. Every kid's got to be able to make their own fucking ridiculous mistakes like that.

Yeah. Oh, so what I, I know you don't remember, but I remember being in LA with you. I don't know what the hell we, maybe it was for the pilot and I'm ready to go and, and go star humping and get my star. And you're like, dude, want to go to the gym? I went, the gym? Why would you want to go to the gym? We're in LA.

He's like, bro, go to the gym. I'm going to the pool hall. You want to go to the pool hall? And you dragged me to the pool hall. And I was like, what am I doing? That was Hollywood Billiards. Yes. Famous place.

But you stayed who you were and that i always admired i always admired that well i got lucky the those things didn't have an appeal to me like going to parties and all that stuff it just did there was no appeal for whatever reason i just didn't find it interesting i mean occasionally occasionally go to aasionally, go to a party, talk to some interesting people. It's fun. But for the most part, I felt like it was a lot of standing around. And in Hollywood, the conversations that were really interesting were few and far between. They weren't that fun.

Like, I've been to parties at friends' house that have, like, really cool friends. And you meet interesting people, and you have, like, really fun conversations. But in Hollywood, it was a lot of, like, like who you know and what are you doing and what we're planning and how we're going to take over and did you has a deal oh my god i know i could hook you up with that producer the deal thing the deal and getting to know actors was such a it was like these poor folks had uh you know you know a lot of kids today have a real problem with social media because they're looking at other people's stuff and other people's faces look perfect because they're wearing filters and they have this, they see other people party

and they have the FOMO, the fear of missing out. And it's just, they're constantly comparing themselves to other people. Well, for actors, what I saw when you know in the 90s in hollywood it was uh the hollywood reporter and like uh variety and all the the industry magazines they would all sit around reading them the same way like a jealous person looks at someone's instagram like you look at some guy's car god he's got a fucking 69 camaro shit Shit. You know? Yeah. Look at her with her Gucci bag and her this and her that. And they'd also flaunt. I remember being with some, I don't even want to give the person credit.

So I'm working with some person. What's her name rhyme with? Hats. So Mr. Hats, who's literally like a dr seuss character anyway um would try to impress his people and i'll never forget he's like i've got this brand new lamborghini you gotta check it out and so i but mr hats didn't buy a brand new Lamborghini. He bought a used one. And he goes to this lot, which is next to Jay Leno. That's all they do is name drop, name drop, money, name drop. And so he's pulling out of the garage.

The side view mirror starts dangling. And the back foot. And he's six foot three. So he's in this fucking thing like this. Hop over there, Papa, while I try to abuse more young minds like yourself and rape your ideas. So he hopped in there, and then the thing bottomed out, broke down two days later. But going to that distance just to show off is just exhausting. Some people, they think that that's the only way in their head they've ever made it.

They have to have that thing where they show, I've got the Lamborghini. I got the house in the Hollywood Hills. Here I am. That's one of the reasons why people like to throw parties. It's not just to have a bunch of people over the house to show you what they have like look and i was and thank you i was falling for that in the beginning i fell for it hard but um how'd you get out of it because you live uh i i love the way you live you live in new jersey you live in like a nice beautiful community with trees and shit and everything's calm and yes and

you're a family man like i love the fact that you you just you just went no no no yeah i grew up probably like the way you don't know exactly i grew up very blue collar my dad was sanitation my mom worked at the airport we lived near jfk and everyone looked after each other it was a community it was a fan you may not like each other but everyone I thrived for that my whole life once I left it and Hollywood doesn't present nothing where it presents so how did I leave it I think it was a it was uh honestly I think getting fired seeing too much of Hollywood. I got shot out of a cannon, and I immediately had such a disgusting taste in my life.

I wanted nothing to do with anybody. Yeah, you went from SNL to just going, fuck it. I'm just going to do stand-up. I'm going to do my radio show. I'm going to do stand-up. Right after that. Well, okay. So when you, at the end of the day, I didn't even want SNL.

I didn't want SNL. You and I both know that was, nobody came out there going, that's the greatest gig. It's very rarely people came out there. They come out of there like they were in a fight. Absolutely. Like they just got out of a fucking bar fight absolutely exactly that's how phil hartman was when i first started working with phil hartman in 94 he had just left snl and he it took a while

for him to be comfortable around us like the news radio people the actors were super friendly everybody liked to get hammered that was like the big thing we would get fucking blasted drunk yeah but we were all like really like in terms of like actors genuinely supportive like dave foley was the most supportive guy ever like he was always writing jokes for you he was always like rewriting scenes for you like jim why don't you come in and say this instead or he would write like really great lines but phil was like he like he was in a competition at first he thought like everybody was going to be competent then he once he relaxed phil like to smoke weed and once he relaxed he's like you know going over there was like everything was like dog eat dog and everybody's at each other's throats it's dog eat dog it's and there's

no rhyme or reason yeah there's no rhyme or reason. Yeah. There's no rhyme or reason. It's just like politics. In other words, I can't help with Congress, what bill they're going to pass. Even they know this is going to work. Nope. Same kind of stuff. It's the same exact thing. Because you're fighting to get your bits on, right?

You're fighting to get your pieces on. You're fighting to get your little sketches on. Yeah, and the worst part is you know something's going to work, and you have someone come to you. Towards the end, it made me such a dark human being because I'm the, hey, man, let's all be a team. When I worked with Hats, I said, let's look at this roster. Holy crap. Let's see who goes in the Boston Comedy Club. Let's just buy a script and put everyone in it and let them play to their strength. Wow, you know, this one.

I wish I had the business smarts to go back and do that because it would have been so much fun. I mean're, it would have been, it would have been so much fun. I mean, maybe it would have been disaster. Maybe this guy, maybe I would have ended up getting leather pants. I got my fucking white lion leather pants, but it makes you so, you know,

I don't want to rehash bad memories. You never got bitter, but you understood that bitterness is an option. Correct. And I start smoking an intense amount of pot just to numb myself. I remember when you told me you quit. And you're like, dude, I'm hearing voices. I think the government's following me.

You went so far. I went far. I went, Jim, quit. But then I talked to you. Oh, he might have went into Never Never Land. He went to the land of no return. I went, Jim quit? But then I talked to you. Oh, he might have went into Never Never Land. He went to the land of no return. Well.

When you start thinking that the government is watching you. Non-stop. Yeah. Non-stop. They're on me because they know I think by myself. It's like the scene in Goodfellas. God damn it. Fucking helicopter. I fucking love that scene.

But I will say this. Yeah, I have. Have you returned to the fold? I haven't returned the way I have in the past. Oh, but a little bit. But I have. You will never see me. It's very private.

You're a private weed smoker? Yeah. How does that work? In other words, I don't do it with people anymore because it keeps the paranoia away. Because I don't trust anyone. Oh, okay. I don't trust anyone. I still don't.

And I haven't smoke smoked. I like, I went to. A little bit. I went out to Colorado and the five little milligrams and the ten little milligrams. Fives are nice. Those little edibles. Oh, my God. Fives are nice. Those little edibles. Oh, my God. Fives are nice.

Yes. Just have that. Gentle. Yeah, and then have like a martini. I'm set. Yeah, a martini. Extra dirty? Not too dirty.

I like it dirty. I like it. Not crazy dirty, but a little dirty. A little dirty. I like that olive juice. It's delicious. I do, too. So here's what happened.

My wife, this is why my wife's a powerhouse. When you find someone that don't give a shit about the industry and they only care about you, it's very hard as an artist that's chasing a star. Because you're always chasing the star and you're always chasing the mansion she would go, I'll never forget she's like, why don't you just quit? Like, seriously are you stupid? You don't quit Saturday Night Live.

And she's like, look at you you come home, you're miserable they control everything, they steal your ideas I saw in my own two eyes how they treated you in this How do they steal your ideas this one stole i saw my own two eyes how they treated you in this how do they steal your ideas here we go i'll give you i sure you don't want to get high first no let's go take a pee break let's take a pee break no here's and again i've released all this okay know, I got a strong moral backbone.

I'm good. So, no, I don't have any bad feelings. What happened was, and I'm not going to put out, I don't want to hash names and all that, but what would happen is something like this. You're writing a sketch. And then one of the head writers would come in in the doorway and go, hey, I see you're writing a sketch about blah, blah, blah, because we have the main server and we check everyone's sketches.

I just want to let you know I'm writing the same thing. He goes, you can continue yours, but, you know, I'm in the room with Lorne. I'm just... Whoa. Oh, yeah. So this is at... So they would go onto the server, they would see the sketches that you're writing,

and then... Then there was times where a cast member would come in and look at my board and go, oh, what does that mean? Like, oh, that's a sketch, and I know so-and-so's coming, and I know the ratings are going to be high that week,

so I'm waiting to bring my A stuff for that. Everyone's going to come out with their fangs out when this one's on. So I'm going to save that sketch for when they're on, and then this person would ask me oh my god what exactly i said well i'm gonna take it out of its element you know like for like back then i was like pesci i'm like pesci's gonna read to children about rudolph the red-nosed reindeer and tell explain why his nose is red and the big joke is because he's a rat and I compare it to a whole neighborhood he's a rat that's why his nose is red when you go

and so you end up beating certain kids the next week the whole room is set and you're sitting there and then this person you know Lauren goes next sketch is Al Pacino with Scarface

reading to school children rudolph the red-nosed reindeer and you go you you and you look you see their their eyes are down you know what's going on you know what happened you can't say anything well when you say something which i eventually did dude, dude, I think I may be, and I want to challenge all SNL cast and writers, I may be the last one that threatened violence. I was in a room with one of the guys, and I literally said, I will knock your fucking teeth down your fucking throat you motherfucker if you don't want to fucking be here get the fuck out you don't shit on my shit

cause you don't want to fucking oh dude and I was and I told him I'm knocking his fucking teeth down I'm not from the writing world so that's where that place brought me. Wow.

And so, and that particular instance was, see, now I'm getting all over the place. That's got to be coming from the top down. Because when I got alone with Phil, like Phil and I became close, and, you know, we would hang out together, especially in his dressing room. He had a nice dressing room, had it all set up,

had a guitar, looking at his dress room. He had a nice dress room. Had it all set up. Had a guitar. Looking at his aviation books and shit. And we would talk about his time there. And he's like, it just made me. That's just bitter and angry. Yes. Yeah. But it seems like it's always been that way.

That it's been from the top down. And this particular. What year were you on? 95 to 98. So you were on right after Phil left. Yeah. Because I was with Phil in 94. Yes. And so when that person did that, I then went up to them and I waited.

And I was like, you motherfucker. He goes, I didn't- No, I didn't take it. Now, this one also is getting more air time because they're in with this specific head writer and then the head writer comes to me hey man leave him alone I go hey man

stop him from stealing well I don't care what he does just leave him alone during my sketches like why you do it's like you're in high school. And so, yeah, it makes you... And then I remember doing something

where I played a drunk guy. And I didn't know exactly how to do it, but I always wanted to be another Foster Brooks. I loved Foster Brooks. He made me laugh. you know who he is do you remember foster brooks no i don't dude the foster brooks dean martin the airplane this guy was the greatest drunk in history in history he was belly laughing funny to the point where i don't believe he was sober even though clearly he was just doing a character.

He was the greatest drunk character in history. That's Foster Brooks? That's Foster Brooks. I have no idea who this guy is. Are you kidding? You got to see. And I'm here at the MGM Grand Hotel tonight to, to, to. I'm here to salute.

Salute. This bomb has passed. I'm here to salute. This bomb has passed. My bosom. My bosom. So he was playing a drum. Yeah, yeah. But he's overdone the character by this sketch. You got to go back when he's like doing the airplane.

And there's an airplane sketch where he does. And this is when he first started coming out. It was he. So long story short, I want to do another Foster Brooks type thing. So I did the character. I'm not a great writer. I'm not a good writer at all. But like I'll come up to character and try a character and if we could put it somewhere, great.

And I remember the writer coming up saying, yeah, Lauren doesn't like drunks because, you know, the past and John and blah, blah, blah. Oh, okay. And then two weeks later. John Belushi, you mean? Yeah, I guess that's what he meant. And then two weeks later, it's the drunk character. I'm like, dude, what the? It's little things that mind screw you like that.

So by the time the big finale was towards the end, someone told me, you know what Sandler did? Sandler went through this. Everyone went through this. Comedians go through this. What you got to do is get on the update and you got to get in the, do everything you can to go on the update and everything you can to get in the opening monologue because the head writers can't mess with you.

Because that's not really their department. That is so crazy that that's something you have to think about. So then that's why I started doing it. If you notice, in 98, I started getting more monologues. And then even there, they were like, we got this. And then it was a final monologue. It was Matthew Broderick. And it was when Matthew Broderick was on,

he couldn't get through some of the sketches I was doing with him. He'd start laughing. And so when we went to—he really wanted to do this monologue with me. And this one—these particular head writers were like, no, we're not doing it. Although Matthew was like, I want to do Jim's. I want to do Jim and Tracy's. And there was two two three sketches we had together and he laughed during

the dress like he couldn't keep a straight face and then I remember the head this particular writer had a problem with I never probably just didn't like whatever you had a hard on for me whatever I can't I don't I don't understand ego if you got ego is what is and he said yeah it's too bad

he laughed because now we don't know if it works so that's going to be cut and it's cut and listen we filmed the monologue it worked but we're going to go my monologue during the air show i was like you know what man i'm going to talk to lauren he goes no you're not i said no i'm i'm talking to lauren now i'm not afraid to talk to Lauren anymore. Because that's another thing. It's like, you know, I talked to the president. Don't talk to the president. They put this.

So he would say, no, you're not. Yeah. You're not going to talk to Lauren? 100%. We'll talk to him. No, we'll both go talk to him. And then I knew right from that minute I was done. I knew I was done.

And then that summer, this guy named uh gary considine he ran the tonight show and he said chan what happened dude i said what's the matter he goes so and so and so and so are are really saying you're out and i went really i go well tell you what i don't want to be there anymore my wife's like, just please quit. She goes, you said in your life, if any job, no matter how much money it paid, makes you a miserable human being and changes the person you are, you weren't going to work there. She's like, look at you.

You're angry all the time. You smoke pot all the time to numb yourself. You're not Jim anymore. Where's the goofy, uplifting Jim? And I wanted to, I wanted to, like, you're so stupid, but you're so stupid. But she was so smart. She was so smart. And it was the greatest. And I give Lorne a lot of credit because Lorne said to me, Jim, you're too nice for this business.

Wow. And he said, which I'll never forget. It was a couple things Lorne said. And I never blamed Lorne. I always really admired Lorne. I said, oh, he goes, and if you ever want want to do something i'm your producer i'll produce it for you which i never took that opportunity up but i'll never forget when he said that to me so i was very thankful that he was understanding and let me go you know mitch hedberg had a great line once about how when you're a comic, everybody wants you to be an actor.

You know, remember that bit? Yes. It's so true because as a comic, you're such a great comic and you're so funny. Your comedy is so wild and it's so uniquely you. Like, even though you were great on SNL, you're so much better as a comic. That's your world. It's my world. And no one can fuck with you

and you can do the whole thing yourself and then people come to see it for what it is and you don't have to deal with Weasley writers and if I fail I can live with that I can live with my failure the environments that they created

in all the different seasons of SNL and I don't know from first hand experience but from everybody that I know that's worked there in all the different seasons of SNL. And I don't know from firsthand experience, but from everybody that I know that's worked there, it's been this super competitive, toxic, political, backstabby sort of a thing that you become like those show business cliches if you fall into it. And to be honest with you, Joe, when I would see...

Each week, you'd see a new celebrity like you do you see people come in and out of here so you start i'm sure there's things that you see and you go how does the how does the world have no clue that this person's like that or or maybe you don't but i would see so many come in and i'd go how does no one no that guy's a cunt yes and how does no one know this one's a militant uh militant uh gay which if that's what you are fine but they hide it but they hide it it's weird and how does this one get away with being a drug addict and get it and how does this one get away with having very suspect uh clearly hookers come in of the male kind where i i remember this one particular and i walked in I went and I

told D and went I don't know if this person was I maybe they were 18 I don't know oh no and I remember them coming in like is though and though hair and I looked down went yeah their dressing rooms's over there. I was like, oh, wow. And you could tell they were prostitutes? They weren't coming to talk politics. How do you know? I don't know.

Maybe they're just really good at politics, but also very... Maybe they were therapists. Yes. They could have been therapists. Maybe they were foot massagers. You know what? They could have been a foot massagist, and they could have been teaching them how to make certain crochets

or paper airplanes. That's going to be the saddest one, when you wish that you could just be yourself, but you can't. You have to. I feel terrible for gay guys in show business that are still trapped. And I have a few friends that are great guys, but they just feel like if they come out, that people won't look at them the same way.

I'm like, man, they'll love you more. I agree. Don Herrera had the best line. And he goes, I wish I was in the closet. That's how little I give a fuck. He goes, I would love to come out. He goes, if I was gay, he goes, I'd be so happy to come out of the closet.

I don't give a fuck. You know who who i'd always tried was was uh meanie kevin meanie i i would he made me laugh so hard i got stoned with kevin it was one of the hardest i ever laughed in my life and anybody so this was before he before he came out did you know he was gay not he didn't admit i knew you knew something was going yeah because when he come on my radio show this is what they do what what a lot of gay people or if you're into drugs like i'll sit here i'm like you know it'd be great if i was high right now and that's my that's my cue i'm putting it out there for

someone to go oh do you want to get hot oh no yeah you know when it comes to penis oh are you no i'm just that just for the joke out there and so he would he along with two other people i knew would always put certain references out i would i would see this other person this knew would always put certain references out. I would see this other person. This person would, I remember spending time with them. We had a condo and they came out and they had their donkey hanging out. And I went, dude, what are you doing? And he's like, is this intimidating?

I went, no. Intimidating? I went, I've never hung out with another male friend that walks around holding his donkey, showing it to another male. It's weird, dude. Do girls do that? I don't know. I don't think they do.

No. Your pussy's hanging out. There's a lot of other issues. There's issues. Something's going on there. Something's happening. You need a friend. Yeah.

You need a friend. So Kevin would would he's talking about show tunes and he's talking about he's wearing a bow tie he's wearing a bow tie enough said and like i love you man just and i said is there something you want to say because i think the world is okay with it he's like what do you mean oh you can't get a guy to say that no not a radio but that's too i try to get things right when i was uh i think i was 18 or 19 um i went to see kevin meanie at catch a rising star in cambridge massachusetts when he was on top of the world i get i don't know if i was i don't know if it was a 21 club i don't know if I was I don't know if it was a 21

Club, I don't know if I was 21 yet. I don't think I was because it was my friend from high school Diane DeRosa and We went there and he Was so funny. It was it was I couldn't calculate it in my brain I didn't understand how he was so funny because you know it was like we're big pants people we wear big pants he had that whole big pants bit my god dude it was like i couldn't breathe like no one could breathe the whole it was he destroyed in a way that it's it's hard to imagine someone killing that hard and it was all like he was so comfortable and loose and it was you know

he was on fire back then yeah he was this is before i did stand up i was just going to see stand up then and watching it you know and i remember thinking like god this i don't even know what that guy did it was some kind of wizardry the first guy made me laugh like that in person hard was Richard Jenney. Oh, yeah. And this guy would talk about a bottle of water and hit it from every... And every time I think he's done, he'd come out with a... He keeps going. He just keep going.

He was so good in the 80s, people don't know. That was a monster. A monster. A monster. A monster. I worked at Eastside Comedy Club. Yeah. They told me that he did four different hours

Never repeated a joke Two shows Friday, two shows Saturday And every comic was sitting around afterwards like they should quit They were like fuck I should just quit I never ever And you know what Right before he Took himself out

I learned He taught me a lesson Cause even when i had my radio show i'm still chasing vanity a little bit and ego whatever and he's on my radio show and he's going uh you know he's asking me about whatever and i went i said you know I'm looking up to you and this and that and I go but still I you know this is cool but I want x y and z and he just looked at me with this dead stare and he goes a guy with his own radio show and he still wants more he wasn't kidding no I wasn't kidding and the way he said it I was like oh wow it went right through me and then you know it's a couple months later i might have time i helped him i might have been

his last little glimmer of hope i totally blew that one i ran into him a short while before he killed himself on a plane on a flight just randomly he was sitting right in front of me i'm pretty sure we were coming we were coming from austin too just randomly he was sitting right in front of me i'm pretty sure we were coming we were coming from austin too i think he was doing a corporate gig and i think i was doing cap city and um pretty sure it was austin and uh i remember sitting there talking like hey rich what's up how you doing i was in town doing a corporate gig and he always looked like a little out of place yeah yeah always like you felt like you shouldn't looked like a little out of place. Yeah, yeah. Always felt like you shouldn't be there, a little, you know. So I got a question for you.

So when you do your shows. Stand-up shows? Yeah. I've seen you doing them with Chappelle, right? Do you touch any political stuff whatsoever? Not necessarily. I don't think politics are very funny. Not necessarily. I don't think politics are very funny. Me either.

And I think the division that we have in this country is very disturbing. And I think there's a weird, almost like a mental contagion that's going on through this country of division. Of left versus right, where people are choosing sides and people are, you know, either everyone's a communist or everyone's a racist. It's like there's these absolutes that people are trying to describe people in these ways. And it's very disturbing to me because I don't think I've ever been a part of, for sure, I've never seen society this divided. And where do you think that comes from, honestly? Social media.

It's a big part of it. It's a big part of it. It's a big part of looking for's a big part of it it's a big part of uh looking for like-minded groups and finding them and also being afraid to deviate from any lines that have been established like if you don't agree with this you're a that if you don't agree with that you're a this and there's these people getting these echo chambers and then there's these algorithms that unfortunately feed into natural human patterns of behavior which is to gravitate towards things that infuriate you so whether it's facebook did you ever see the social dilemma no i heard about it it's great

you should watch it it's so disturbing because they're essentially setting this up and it reinforced how i felt and explained things even better to me and in that documentary what they're essentially saying is that if if this keeps going we're on the verge of civil war that these social media algorithms whether it's for instagram or twitter and and the way these things affect the human mind and how these people are profiting off of this stuff in a massive, massive way that they're leaning us closer and closer towards the ultimate division, like literally a civil war. And I feel that way.

I really do feel that way. And what about regular media, though? Don't you, do you think they're also part of, if not sometimes more the culprit? They're, they're, the problem with regular media is they're so often full of shit, yet they are trusted by way too many people. And I think there's less trust now than ever before. Did you see the shit that the Washington Post had to just retract? They had attributed a bunch of quotes to Trump after the election with Georgia that turned out to be false, like he never said them.

And one of them was like, find the fraud. And he told the person they would be a national hero. Well, then they got the audio recording. And by the way, just to be clear, he did say a lot of things that he should not have said. There was a lot of shit that he said that is egregious. But this is one particular one that they attributed to him that was not true. He never said it. They got the audio recording of the actual phone call,

and basically what he said is, you're doing the most important job in the world, counting these ballots. He did not say, find the fraud. He didn't say these things that they were attributing to him. And so for months, since December, they've been saying this, that he said these things. Now here we are in March and they finally have to retract it when the audio recordings

come out. But it means that someone who was an anti-Trump person, who was like an unnamed source, gave them these quotes and then they printed them. This is our trusted media. That's a real problem. It's a real problem. And people, this is the greatest time in human history where there's absolutely zero thinking. When I say zero thinking, and or, you're put in fear of thinking. I'll give you a little example okay i had i came in i had to have a covid test before i walked in here right so let's talk to your nurse

and and um i said i had it i had in december and i didn't tell anyone because i didn't i'm put on social media and i put it everywhere because i didn't want people like, oh, we're going to cancel shows and blah, blah, blah. It's just the hysteria that goes on. How bad was it? It was like a very mild sinus infection. It's what Jamie had, basically. It started in my nose. And then I had a little like, I had one of those. But I immediately, from the past, anytime I get sick, I'm traveling.

So I know I've been sick on the road. I immediately put a nose spray, constant cleaning, and I have an inhaler, like a steroid, to get my lungs going. So I started that. The next day, body felt like I was getting something, which I've had in the past. I don't get the chills. My skin gets really sensitive. And then after that, a little tired,

but I can breathe. But clearly, I had a sinus infection. That's the best way to describe it. Now, here's the thing. I gave it to my wife and my youngest daughter. And my other two daughters were like, we're out of here. We're getting tested.

They both negative. Shoo, they left the house. We're out of here. And they got bubbles around their head. They're wearing their space outfits. So they're gone. My youngest one comes home from school. And she has to take a test and they say, you're

positive. And she was, she clearly got sick. My wife's sick. I'm sick now. None of us, I have an infectious disease doctor in New Jersey. His specialty is infectious disease. I said, doc, my daughter is positive. I clearly gave it to her. He goes, you need to get tested before I see you. I said, okay, well, it's a two, three-day wait. In the meantime, did you have anything? He goes, take vitamin C, vitamin D, and zinc.

He goes, do you have a high fever? I went, no. He goes, do you have trouble breathing? I went, no. He goes, do you have trouble breathing? I went, no. He goes, then don't worry about it. So part of me started getting infuriated. I said, so you're telling me the world is shutting down, and you're telling me to take vitamin C, vitamin D, and zinc?

He goes, I need you to get the test. Okay, I'll get the test. I'm a little aggravated. I just want something to get rid of this right okay that's all i want right so now it's going on the second week and it's this thing's annoying because i'm taking 2 000 d's and 3 000 c's and zinc and a and whatever he's telling me to do. My daughter is getting better. My wife still can't, D can't smell or taste. And she's got stage four cancer. So she's like super high. She's doing great and all that,

but she's doing great. She's on trial. She's crushing it. So if anything, she's the most danger because of her immune system. Week two, I get a test. The same test I just took here, which is a very reliable test. And I told my doctor, hey, man, it's official.

I test a positive. Which test did you take? I took the rapid because I can can't i don't accept that one you don't accept that infectious disease doctor and you don't accept that test what did he want the pcr test he wanted yeah whatever he's got to go to a lab now we're going on day 12 and you still take telling me to take vitamins and stuff? So finally, I said, I'm not doing that test, because then I got to go in the state and the system. And they called looking for my daughter.

Can we speak to your daughter? No, you may not. Well, is she doing the appropriate things? I have it as her father. Well, what is she doing? Go fuck yourself. That's what she's doing. You don't

call my house government. You just overstepped your boundaries. You're just here to protect me, not to come knocking on my door to ask me what I'm doing and how I'm treating my 16-year-old. It's a very frightening place to be. Now, with that said, I then ask,

hey, man, what can we do? He goes, I need that other test. I'm like, I'm not getting the other test. So I called a friend, said, I'll get you something by tomorrow. I got stuff by the next day, and in two days that stuff was clear. So I started asking her, why don't people – and I just left the town of Chester, New Jersey, and there's a couple – there's about 15 of us, a group that formed this community during the whole COVID. And this one woman just got it.

And she got hospitalized. Whoa, what happened? And she said, I waited 12 days. And then I had a problem. I started freaking out breathing. Went to the hospital. They gave me steroids and antibiotics and it cleared right up. So my question is, why do you have to test positive to wait to get antibiotics or steroids

if neither one of them hurt you or kill you while you're still waiting to see what this does? And she didn't have an answer. she's like that's a great question i go it's a simple it's just a question so if i'm a doctor and joe rogan comes to me and says hey man my daughter's positive i have sinus are you having trouble no well i can give you this because i know it's not going to kill you and i know i'm going to give you antibiotics and hopefully in two three days it will clear up but it's not going to and if antibiotics, and hopefully in two, three days it will clear up. But it's not going to, and if it gets worse, then we'll take care of it then, because clearly this is not going to make you worse. Right.

So why isn't that being done? And then my other question was, if that doctor, an infectious disease doctor, doesn't allow that test, how many people take that test and it counts as a number, but yet it doesn't count. So what is really going on is my question. There's a lot of confusion, a massive amount of people. There's a disease that kills some folks. And there's a disease that we, in the beginning stages of this pandemic,

thought was going to be far more severe than it turned out to be, and they never adjusted. That's the problem. The problem is it's still not good. You know, you don't want to catch COVID, but the vast majority of people who get it will be fine. 78% of the people that are hospitalized are obese. The obese people have a real hard time with it.

There's 6% of the people who died from COVID only had COVID. The other 90... Can you repeat that number? 6%. One more time. 6% of the people who died from COVID only had COVID. The other 94% had an average of 2.6 comorbidities. So almost three, more than two and a half comorbidities,

meaning like obesity. There's a bunch of different things that people have. Diabetes is a big one. Alzheimer's. There's a lot of comorbidities that are very dangerous if you get COVID. I'll tell you another one. So another one of our friends, his name is Rob. He's a mess, bro.

Gout three times a year. He's a mess. He's totally heavy dude, blah, blah, blah. July, he says, don't come near me. I have a sinus infection. And we all went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Rob's off limits. You know, whoop, who whoa. Rob's off limits.

Rob's dying. We're laughing. Rob died. He's gone. He's done. We said, you should really go check that out, Rob. We don't hear from Rob. Next thing, me and my wife went to Maine.

Went on a mountain. We were on a lake. I felt like if I die, that is where heaven's going to be, is that trip with my wife. I come back. Do you hear what's going on, Rob? He's in the hospital. What? He's on the ventilator.

What? Now, he was a crazy Trump guy. He was like, Trump, Trump. Full blown. I would go there. I'm like, there like oh my god these guys are talking politics again please get off every morning the liberals and democrats as a non-stop like oh my god i just want to have a muffin and relax so with that and i dude i got caught up too i i would be a liar if i said i wasn't caught up in

some stuff for a while i was on the internet like dude my dude jfk is coming back i was makes all sorts of world i was i i was in right but this guy was like if if I ever get it, I'm taking hydrochloroquine. All right? That was – so now – and this is all still going, by the way. He gets admitted to the hospital, and here comes my next question. And there is an ending to this story. He gets admitted. They say he's got brain damage from COVID.

It's brain damage. Well, this is the information we're getting. Like, what? What do you mean? Brain damage? Yeah, he's not going to be able to walk. What? He has brain damage.

Then it turned out he had strokes. The COVID caused strokes. Then it turned out, no. He asked for a specific drug. They said said we can't give it to you in the state of jersey and we're gonna have to do testing before it could do stuff next thing you know the guy's on high blood pressure pills and all that they didn't give him his meds. He stroked out. Oh. Cut to, he's brain dead. His wife can't, his wife and 11-year-old, 13-year-old have to say goodbye to him before they pull the plug. They're not allowed to be with him.

They have to FaceTime. So here's a question for you. No, this is going somewhere, bro, right? Thank God one of our crew said, please send this person there just one last look. The specialist shows up, said he's not brain dead. He's dehydrated. Who's been taking care of this patient?

And who said he was COVID? I want everything? Gets everything, said, I need the wife and children in here. Oh, well, it's against our faith. What's keeping you safe? What's keeping you safe? Bring his family in here. His family talks to him.

His heart rate starts going up. In a week, he opens his eyes and communicates for the first time in six weeks later he now stands up for the first time it was uh it was october he finally got out and he's still taking physical rehab i got pictures of him videos of him and all that jazz but he's recovering so the point of my story is two things they were ready to let him die they were willing they already said he's dead and you can't visit him jesus christ so what where kind of fucking hospital is this it's in new jersey that's crazy so i'll so but my question is this when it comes to not being able to see

elderly in elderly homes you got to quarantine all that what keeps the workers safe what keeps the quote heroes safe and what why can't you allow someone with a human touch because when you're when you're at your weakest moment in time, you need a human. You need pure love. You need that child. You need your mother to come visit you. They're the ones, even if you're in your house, and the fact that they are stopping that is pure evil in my mind. It has nothing to do with safety.

And if it is safety, then it's stupidity. And at the end of the day, it's evil. There's no protocol. It's stupidity, in my opinion. I understand what you're saying. I think in the general sense, they're trying to protect people from getting infected. Well, what keeps the people at work there infected? Nothing. Well, then what keeps...

I mean, they wear the tightest masks that you can, but there's other things you can do. Then give it to the child and the mom and dad. Yeah, exactly. No, I'm with you. I'm with you 100%. If your kid was dying, Joe. Yeah.

You're going to allow them to keep you from seeing them? No. No. I'm going to do my best, right? Everybody does. You're going to smash that door down, bro. I'll tell you that right now. You're going to have to arrest me.

Yeah. You're going to have to arrest me. I feel the same way. I know what you're saying. You've got to question everything. But you're right about the touch, about love, and about having hope and having someone come visit you. Despair is terrible for the immune system.

All that stuff is – do you know what a nocebo is? Do you know what that means? No. It's the opposite of placebo. A placebo effect is they give you a sugar pill, and it makes you think that you're doing well. And you're like, oh. And then all of a sudden your symptoms improve, and you actually get better.

Because your body is on a positive trip. Your body's like, oh, Jim got the medicine. We're healing up. And it literally has an actual physical measurable effect, and it's called the placebo effect. Well, there's also something that they believe is it's called the placebo effect. Well, there's also something that they believe is more powerful than the placebo effect. And that's the nocebo effect. The nocebo effect is telling someone that they have a disease, telling someone that there's an incurable disease or that they're sick, and then they fucking panic. And here's a perfect example.

In 2007, there was a guy that was a part of a trial that they were doing a double blind placebo controlled trial on antidepressants. So they're trying to find the efficacy of antidepressants. And they give this guy these pills and he shows up at the hospital. He's got an empty bottle of pills and he goes, help me, help me. I took all the pills. I took all the pills. I took all the pills. And this guy collapses. All right?

They bring him into the emergency room. His fucking blood pressure is dangerously low. His heart rate is jacked up. He's pale. He's sick. They're like, oh, no. And so they find the guy's, the guy has a pill bottle they brought in with him. They find the guy's physician that's a part of the clinical trial.

They bring the physician in. The physician tells him, you got the placebo. There's no medication here. These are bullshit pills. There's nothing in them. All of a sudden, the guy gets better. Like that. His heart rate balances.

His blood pressure balances. 15 minutes later, he's fine. The power of your mind. He was convinced that he was fucked. If you have someone in a hospital bed, and you're telling them they're going to die, and you're not going to see your family, and the amount of stress and the pain, your symptoms will crash. Everything will get more fucked up. Your body will go into a total state of shock. There's been people that have died because they were incorrectly diagnosed with cancer. And they went into this shock where they can't believe that they're not going to.

And then their immune system crashes. Their body crashes. And then they've done autopsies and they found out that it was benign. And this is what drives me nuts where nobody questions. You just go, that's what they said. That's what they said, so that's what we're doing. That's what voodoo is. People think that voodoo is bullshit.

What voodoo is, is you tell someone, if you're a charismatic person, you have white paint on your face and fucking feathers and skulls on sticks, and you tell them, I put a curse on you. And if you believe that shit, you will be in a full terror. Yes. You'll be in a full terror. And then your life will fall apart.

My hand to God, when I start my show, I say, and I've been saying, this is the greatest voodoo trick I've seen in humanity in my entire life, because that's what it is. It's the greatest voodoo trick in history. It's mind-boggling.

Now I'm able to sit and watch it and dodge from it, but at the same time, I'm baffled how many people just don't question anything. It's mind-boggling. Now, back to what you say before. This is a cool thing. So I did a Metallica tour, right?

So I did a Metallica tour, right? Now, on this tour, I start to get to know people from around the world that go to every single Metallica show. That's so wild. It's so wild, and it's so cool. They call themselves the Metallica family, which I thought was amazing, which I think is also amazing about you. You have followers around the world.

I think that's amazing. It's mind-boggling. You could probably tour Korea in countries you never thought you can tour in because of who you are and who listens to you. So with this Metallica thing, there's this one couple, Sarah and Pete. And Pete, the story was so, it's amazing. Pete's a vet,

got his ass kicked, and rack, and blah, blah, blah. He came back, got in a motorcycle accident, destroyed, doesn't want to live anymore. He's stuck to a hospital bed, blah, blah, blah.

She's depressed because he won't, he won't, he doesn't want to live anymore. He hears Metallica's touring and he's got brain damaged, irreversible brain damage. It's completely irreversible. that you irreversible brain damage it's completely irreversible and so he has to get checked every six weeks and they keep saying yeah no it's man nothing's going down okay so forever this part of the brain's gonna be dead he knows metallica's coming and she said she came home and for the first time he was trying to get up. And she said, what do you want? He's like, I want to see Metallica.

And she said, okay, well, I'll bring you to Metallica. She goes to Metallica, brings him in the wheelchair. He's got all his stuff. And then she sees while she's waiting on tickets, all these other Metallica fans. And, you know, they start like, oh, man, dude. They're taking care. And they become like a little, hey, next. Then they, you know they start like oh man dude they're taking care and they become like a little then they you know what

she saw how happy he was and how much life was brought to him just from seeing Metallica right now with that now she goes maybe I should follow them so she

goes and buys a couple more tickets, and he's got life. Now they follow them every time they tour. And I saw them, and then they come to see me. And when I first met him, he was very subdued. He doesn't smile a whole lot. He's like, you know, hi, hi. She's got this big smile. She's always bringing sunshack great energy by the end of the tour uh soon as the tour ended i wish i had my email i'm sure i

could find the email she goes oh my god jim you're not gonna believe what's going on i think we're going to the european tour we're sorry the u.s tour we're not going to see you but the european tour so why the doctors for the first time ever said his brain is starting to heal itself and they truly believe it's from going to the metallica concerts maybe it's not the music it's the community the life the people around him that's inspiring him. And they want to hook him up and start doing this as a test. Like, perhaps this has the power of healing. Dude, how sick is that? That's pretty sick.

You know how when a song comes on, you get goosebumps? Yeah. That's a drug. Of course it is It really is It's medicine There's something to it Like when a good song comes on You're like, fuck yeah

There's songs in it Look at that, Look at that. Goosebumps. Those are legit. Absolutely. Yeah, man. Music does something to you physically. Yes.

Yeah. Absolutely. And if this guy is all of a sudden around all these people, the music is doing something to him physically, and then he has a sense of community and all this fun and love and camaraderie. Yeah. Your fucking pistons start firing bang bang bang how'd you like talking to james i loved it he's cool i loved it he's a

really cool guy i mean you think about a guy that has been through so much craziness like i i think of fame as like redlining like redlining your personality redlining your stress levels redlining your life and so for a guy that's been like and then like okay i gotta get off this ride for a little bit and then you talk to him and he's he's just aware that he redlined his life you know and apparently redlined his life again right started indulging again after that and had to stop again but to be a man that is that famous that is that universally loved to have that much pressure and attention and to live that crazy life that arena rock life of of a of a like you know one 1% rock star.

Like, you get all the rock stars in the world. Metallica is, like, the 1% of the rock stars. Hands down. If they said they're touring Mars. They're going to Mars. We're going to Mars. Someone's going to Mars. Yeah, people are going to Mars.

They could do a tour in the middle of the Sahara Desert, and people would make it out there with water. Without a doubt. 100%. So, if I can ask you, out of everyone that you've talked with, who would be like your top? I don't. I don't have one.

I really don't. I don't. I guess you wouldn't even want to answer that only because other people instantly go, well, why didn't they pick me? No, I mean, I would answer it. I would answer it. If people got upset, I would. But I don't have a top.

What would you learn from them? Did you learn anyone? Oh, yeah. You learn from all of them, man. I mean, I learned from you. I learned from Neil deGrasse Tyson. I learned from Elon Musk. I learned from Lex Friedman.

I learned from all these fucking scientists and people that I've had on, all these brilliant people. I learned from Matt Musk I learned from Lex Friedman I learned from all these fucking scientists And people that I've had on All these brilliant people I learned from Matt Taibbi I learned from There's so many people that I've learned from I've had a wild fucking education man I have an 11 year education doing this podcast

11 years now? Yeah it's 11 years Holy crap Yeah That's a monstrosity Actually yeah It's almost 12. It'll be 12 years in December.

I remember I only been in one UFC fight, and I don't think I need to see another. And what I mean by that is you were like, Jim, you got to see. And I was leaving that night. I was in Vegas, and I was leaving that night on a red eye, and I almost didn't get out. And you're like, Jim, you got to calm down. This is the one, dude. Bro, you don't want to miss this one. I'm like, all right, all right, I'll be there.

And it was McGregor versus Spanish name dude. He wasn't supposed to be in a bill. And nate diaz yeah nate diaz yes yeah yeah and i'll i still remember that it's so vivid in my mind there was an underscore okay there was an undercard all right he looked like a a guy like me, right, against this toolbox. And every time the kick would hit him. Like, I've seen on TV, but when you're there where you're standing, you hear, like, it sounded like a bat hitting a leg. And then after three kicks, I'm looking at his leg,

and it looked like someone spray-painted a purple on the inside of his leg. I went, oh, my God, that's got to be killing him. How's this human being standing? Oh, my God. So smack, smack, smack. And I don't even remember who won that. All I remember is the McGregor fight. And McGregor's in there, and he's definitely showboat,

and I loved everything about it. And I'm sitting there in the front, and he comes in, and they start the first round, and I feel like Diaz had the best of him the first round. I don't remember a lot of it. But I remember the second round starting and McGregor said something to him like,

is that the best you caught? Something like that. Did he just say that to this guy? He's trying to intimidate, but then I remember he's getting his ass kicked. Ass kicked. And he was on the ground, he was ugly the guy's on the ground

and he's going for the final choke him out and his wife was right behind me and it was like a movie I kept looking at her like oh Greg oh my god this must be a horror show oh my god

she covered her eyes and went oh my god this must be a horror show oh my god come on she covered her eyes and went oh my god this is a horror show to watch your husband getting choked out and beating his plate and all of a sudden he he gets out of it and he makes it to his feet and i think i think three-quarters of the arena was from Ireland. They're like, ah! You can hear me. They were going ape shit. And I remember the hair on my back is standing, watching this. And I remember Diaz's eyes. I'll never forget his eyes. If his eyes could talk, they said,, oh no, I'm done.

Diaz? I think you got the wrong fight. You got this fight so fucked up. When Nate Diaz got on top of Conor McGregor, he fucking strangled him and Conor tapped out. Nope. Then it wasn't that fight. Okay.

It's a different fight. It was a good five, six years ago. Four years ago? Yeah. It was Nate Diaz. He's at the Chad Mendes fight. Mendes! Oh, Chad Mendes.ez mendez that's different

okay that makes sense it was mendez yes and so mendez eyes i saw his eyes that's a different fight he went full blown oh god i'm done i'm done because mcgregor from the crowd and standing up, it was, oh, no. And five seconds later, he knocked him out. Yeah. It was the most incredible thing I've ever seen live. That was a fight that Chad Mendes and his defense took late notice, and he wasn't even training. That's him saying he wasn't ready for it.

He wasn't ready for it. Yeah, and he got knocked out. But that was my only UFC fight I ever got. That was a wild one to go to, man. That was a wild one. So now I'm trying to get out, and these hooligans, they're on top of the casino. They're dancing on top of the casino. There it is.

That's your video? This is Jim's video? Oh, that's hilarious. Look at you. Dude, I can't even find this video anymore. I think I accidentally... Jamie finds everything. Bro, you gotta send this to me.

Look at that. This... Now. Now I gotta catch a flight. And I can't... These... Irish... They were everywhere! I couldn't get past them! Look at you. I was in full-blown panic.

Bro, that was one of the greatest. What were you in town doing? Do you remember? I was doing a show. Which gig were you doing? The Mirage? No. I'm South Point Casino.

I play the locals. I can't get in the Mirage, man. You can't get in the Mirage? I'm not a Mirage guy. I don't have that kind of swagger. I'll be the first to admit it. You know, I'd love to say, well, I tell you, Seasons 1 and me, buddy, it can't happen.

The Mirage, I said, let me check my book. I go to South Point Casino. How is that place? Is it good? I love it. The guy that runs the place is really cool. Mike, I love playing there. Vegas is a fun place to play.

It's weird now. Have you been there recently? No, but I don't gamble. It's starting to come back.. It's weird now. Have you been there recently? No, but I don't gamble. It's starting to come back. I don't gamble either. I don't gamble either. It's starting to come back, though. It's like there's people out again.

I was just there for the fights last weekend. Last weekend? Weekend before? Whatever it was. And it was hopping again. There was a large amount of people driving around, and it seemed very different. Because it's been really desolate over the last year. So the fights, no one's in the arena?

No one. They're doing it at the Apex Center. The UFC has their own performance institute, and across the street from the performance institute, they have this thing called the Apex Center. So it's a training facility on one side of it, but then inside is a small arena. It's like a smaller cage, octagon and it's it could seat if they're allowed to have a crowd it could seat a thousand fifteen hundred people maybe at the most maybe not even fifteen hundred but they do the shows there with no crowd it's wild the show you should see that i'd love to you yeah i'd love to take you to one of those because

they're not going to be around that much longer. I'll fly in for that. They're starting to do, there's one next weekend, they're starting to do fights with crowds again. In Colorado. In April 20 something or another, what is it? That's a weekend, right?

Yeah, April 27th, they're doing the welterweight title. They're going to do that one in Tampa? Is that what it is? Jacksonville. In Jacksonville. In Jacksonville with a crowd, 15,000 people, which is like, holy shit, you're going full 24th.

God, I love Florida. I was in Florida. Florida doesn't give a fuck. I don't want to leave. That was, I felt like, you talk about refugees. Yeah. They're coming,

they're coming from every angle parachuting in. Oh yeah. We made it. Well, maybe it'll be good because they'll inject some New York

into Florida. You know, more New York, like young New York and like give it some life because there's a little, it's a little death. There's a little stupid.

Florida's got a little too much stupid. Unfortunately. It's a lot of sun. It's a little death. It's a little stupid. Flora's got a little too much stupid, unfortunately. It's a lot of sun. Yeah. No disrespect. A lot of elderly. There's a lot of children of criminals. I lived there. Yeah, I know you did.

It was... You started there, right? You started standing up there. Technically, yes. When I put my head down and put the ball in my hand, yeah. Technically, yes. When I put my head down and put the ball in my hand, yeah. I started 1989 at Ron Bennington's comedy scene,

Coconut's Comedy Club in St. Pete. Ron Bennington, the same Ron Bennington that's on the radio? Yes. No shit. I didn't know he had a club. He was huge radio, monster radio guy. Yeah. Ron and Fez. Yes.

Yeah. So he had a Ramada Inn comedy club. It was awesome. I would see Brian Regan would come through there. Dan Whitney, before he was Larry the Cable Guy, would come through there. Oh, wow. Tom Rhodes would come through there. So that is where Daryl Hammond

Bill Gardell all those guys that's kind of that area yeah yeah yeah and then I don't know what happened to it but Long Island I started in and out high school but I wasn't

consistent I remember the first time I did I played Govern's my first gig and I thought I was so good. I was cocky. I was so cocky. Already thinking about the lion. The lion.

Tiger. Tiger. Already thinking about the silk pants. Oh God yes. Oh without a doubt. White tiger. White tiger. Like Mike Tyson.

I got mad at Mike when I saw that one. Hey, man, that's my gig. I want Eddie Murphy, red leather pants, and that white tiger. And that's success right there. And I remember doing a pigeon bit, which I thought I was brilliant for coming up with. I had this bug routine, which I thought I was brilliant. And then I saw all these other people. All these people steal from me it's it was and i was just like you know well you have generic premises that's the thing like yeah yeah premises that you think yeah you think you're like hey

i came up with that you know you didn't there was one joke that everybody had in boston is uh um in new hampshire they uh had a license plate the you know the logo on the license plate that they're saying was live free or die and I'm like those things are made by prisoners it's the most fucked up thing because license plates were always made by prisoners that was like the inside wow every comic had that I thought I was so brilliant for thinking that up I think some guys had to tell me, oh, a couple other guys got that joke too. Yeah, well, they got it from me.

Clearly. They heard me talking about it at a fucking Nick's Pizza place. But being a guy that's making, it just seems so ironic to me to be making license plates that say live free or die while you're trapped in a cage. Or die. Or die.

That's insane. Yeah. Those days, man, those those early days when i see kids today like if i'll go to kill tony and i'll watch like the open mic guys go up and try it for like the third or fourth you know what kill tony is no tony hinchcliffe and brian redband have this uh really funny show where uh they take like a professional comic i've been a guest on it a couple of times out here and uh they'll have like a professional comic. I've been a guest on it a couple of times out here. They'll have a professional comic will sit there, and then they have a band behind them that's actually Gary Clark Jr.'s band that he works with that's at Antone's nightclub here in Austin.

Then comics will go up that are local or they come to try to put their name in a hat. They'll pull the name out of the hat, and then they bring them up on stage, and they do one minute of comedy. Wow. And sometimes it's great, and sometimes it's terrible.

When it's terrible, everybody makes fun of them. And when it's great, everybody makes fun of them and appraises them and says good luck. And it's a great jumping off point for young up-and-coming comics. That's a cool idea. It's a great idea. It's a great show.

But it's also to be there and see these people at the beginning where they're trying to like figure it out and they're like yeah they're over trying yeah they don't know what they're doing i know it's cute where's the cool areas like i i don't even know where the hell i'm playing and i'm playing like uh is it outdoors i don't know. What place is your place? What's it called? You don't know where you're going? Why don't you look at your phone? Find out where you're at.

Jimmy will find out. It's a weird name. It's not Stubbs Amphitheater, right? It's an amphitheater. Oh, he's at Nutty Brown. Oh, Nutty Brown's awesome. Yeah. Isn't that the place where Burr was? I think so. Yeah.

Dude, you're gonna love it. It's great. Nutty Brown's great. It's a beautiful amphitheater. So it's outdoors. Burr was there. Yeah, but it's warm out. Burr packed that sucker. Yeah, it was awesome. It was really fun. That was one of the first shows that I got to see live. So where do you play? Don't you play out here? Yeah, we've been doing

Stubbs. So Stubbs amphitheater. We COVID test the whole So where do you play? Like live Don't you play out here? Yeah We've been doing stubs Stubs So stubs amphitheater We COVID test the whole crowd Really? Yep We get there The show starts at 7.30 People get there at like 6.30

There's a giant They got it down to a science They test everybody You go in there You're supposed to wear masks But a lot of people don't And then you're in the crowd And everyone's distanced

But it's a You know Like 400 seat crowdanced, but it's a 400-seat crowd. Wow. Yeah, and it's great. And that's the ones you and Dave have been doing. Yeah, me and Dave and Donald Rollins, and the other night we did it with Ron White. Michelle Wolf's done a bunch. Mo Ammer's done a bunch of them with us, and we've been having so much fun.

And then we've also been doing Vulcan Gas Company sometimes. It's like a local place. And they'll have local shows. They have a show there tonight. And, you know, fuck around there just to keep the chops loose. And eventually I'm opening up a club here. Are you? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I got the ball rolling. Oh, God. I'll let you know what happens. Let me know. I'd love to play there. Oh, fuck, 100%. Yeah, I would love to have you. As soon as everything's up and running, I will send out the bat signal.

And I'm going to... You're going to have an overload. I'm trying to have an overload. No, it's going to be an overload. Well, I want to have an overload. There's going to be more clubs that are opening up here, too. They're reopening up Cap City, but it's under the Helium banner. The guy from Helium.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's hitting Austin. Yeah. Wait a minute. Did I... Mark Grossman? Yeah.

Yeah. from helium oh really yeah yeah he's hitting austin yeah wait a minute did i mark grossman yeah yeah he's doing um they're doing it at the domain which is this really nice shopping area of uh of austin it's a great place smart very smart really very smart place to put it because there's a ton of bars and restaurants there and and apparently he's gonna really do it up nice and have two rooms in in that building too so he'll have a small room and a larger room. I feel like I was in Austin. Is there an improv here? No, there's no improv. There's no real comedy club here right now because Cap City went under. Because when Cap City went under because of COVID.

I'm so stupid. I was by Dallas. There's a Dallas improv. There's a Houston improv. That's where I was at. I did Houston improv in July. It was fucking great. But I smoked too much weed and I got really paranoid.

I came back and I was like, oh my God, I want to infect a guest. I can't do this. I can't be going. And I was getting tested and I was clean, but I was still like, fuck, what if I infect somebody? I haven't. You know what, I think I got mine from, I went to Dallas, whatever that improv is, and the very last night, I could have been anywhere, but I would eat by myself, I'm totally solo, I don't know who's opening tonight, I don't know what's going on. I'm totally solo I don't know

I don't know who's opening tonight I don't know what's going on and after the last show I went in the green room and I was getting ready to go out and I heard this guy he's like you don't understand

what tonight man Jim Brewer you know when you hear that and he goes man just that meant so much and I just

I creaked open the door I'm like hey man you wanna come back take a picture he creaked open the door. I'm like, hey, man. You want to come back and take a picture? He's like, oh, yeah. I said, bring your wife. Bring your wife. He comes in. He got you sick.

I don't know. That guy got you sick. I think he got me sick because. Fucking whining, coughing fuck. He had a couple cocktails in him. And I could feel his breath going on me. And that's the first time I was like, oh, no. But.

COVID breath. But I don't know but that's it was about three four days later when it started i went oh no but who the heck i was reading an article about covid toes i'm fine people get covid toes what's covid toes exactly it turns out it's not real and then in the article one of the things they said, also, people who don't have COVID get the same thing from walking around the house barefoot. I'm like, okay, we're done. What?

I don't even know what just happened. You called it COVID toes, and then you went into depth about these things, showing pictures of people's fucked up, swollen toes. And then at the end of the article, it says, apparently, people can also get this from just being barefoot. So it's a barefoot thing. Yeah, that's all it is.

It's a walking around barefoot, banging your toes on things. You stub your toes. I just banged the shit out of my toe. I just saw this black toe, and I don't know where I got it from. You know what the real problem with media is? The real problem with news media is that it's profitable. That's the problem. The problem is it's profitable, so there's a bunch of clickbait titles,

and it's also very influential, right? And because they know it's influential, they can lean the news one way or the other. If someone could come along and have a fact-based, completely objective, research-driven, completely non-biased news program. It would be so valuable to people. Can it exist? I don't know. I don't know either.

That's what they were trying to do. That's what they used to teach you in journalism. But now young journalists, if you pay attention to some of the stories that come out of the New York Times or even some of the most respected newspapers in the country, they're activists. They're all activists. But this is a problem because they'll omit information that's contrary to what they're trying to promote. And they're not always right. My daughter came back from college.

Uh-oh. Not even. So this was, let's see, she left in august came back october end of august october it looked like she went to a a seminar you weren't allowed to leave her eyes were glazed over she was like sexist racist gender gender gender gender racist can't say that can't say that lgbq2 human rights lgbq2 gender gender i said good morning and this fucker was off on a tangent and i realized i'm paying twenty thirty thousand dollars for my kid to get indoctrinated and brainwashed that she tried to explain to me how the indians had different genders and i went who native americans yeah i went who

who tried to they got pictures on walls now where where the indians are drawing where they're cutting off a penis and injecting hormones? I don't understand. What does that mean? But they did. What do you mean they did? They did. That was part of Native American culture. They cut their penis off?

No, no, no. They didn't have operations. But there were some Native American tribe members in various tribes that were thought to be— they considered them of a different sex or a different gender. Like they had men and female, and then they had males that identified as females or behaved as females, and they had females that identified as males and behaved as males. Listen, this has always been a thing with human beings. I get that.

It was taboo and hidden for the most part. Well, I can get it as far as if we're if we're in a tribe all right now i know you're an alpha man we're alpha males you're more alpha male than me so we're gonna go to battle i'm probably gonna get you you're gonna have to be the battler but i'm gonna i clearly know my role is to keep the the i have a different role right whatever that role is all right some people's role is like hey listen i listen, I've got to stay here. Is that what you're talking about? Are you talking full-blown?

No, there was men that identified as women. It's been throughout history. There's been males that felt like they should have been females. They don't understand what makes a person want to be a man and what makes a person want to be a woman. Some women wish they were men. They feel like they should have been a man. You know, there's always been that.

Like, it's not fake, right? There really are people that have these thoughts. The problem is it becomes a protected subject, and then you get praised for chance for transferring your gender for changing your gender and then it gets exciting for people to talk about and then you get chastised for even discussing it in any weird way and then people who were marginalized for being like genuinely dumb people if they transfer over and become another gender then they get praised like there's

been a lot of people that were like idiots but then they become trans and now all of a sudden we think they're amazing correct so i i'll i'll give an example i i was talking to a uh um a person that's a therapist all right not my Not my, I don't go to a therapist. Not that that's good or bad. I'm just saying I don't, this person was a therapist. This therapist was telling me that their child was transgender and they were worried about their son,

now daughter, going into high school and i said i don't understand is it a sexual can you explain to me because whenever i bring it up to my daughter and and the problem with it is no one knows how to talk it turns into a fight and a debate like i would ask my daughter like is it what does that mean what you identify like a transvestite oh my god you know i'm not talking i'm not i'm not even fucking talking about it like oh my god i'm just asking you a question they don't even know how to talk because they're indoctrinated into an ideology that demands that you comply correct where i'm like let's just have a conversation Like there's a transvestite that comes into our coffee shop.

I don't think you're allowed to say transvestite anymore. I just did. I think it's a bad word now. From my generation. I'm in the 80s. We call it a transvestite. You can't deprogram me. Can you say drag queen?

Drag queen. Can you say it? I just said it. I said it too. It's a drag queen. What I'm saying is that like someone, are you allowed to say it? Too bad. Miley Cyrus is really into drag queens.

She thinks it's hilarious. She loves them. Right. She loves drag. What's that show, Dragstrip? What's that called? Oh, God, my daughter watches it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They dress up like drag queens. She loves it. So the person goes, and I'm all for it, man. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. Yeah, you're putting in the work. It's a lot of work it's a lot of work yeah you're putting in the work that's a lot of work it's halloween every day sucking this in yeah it's a lot wearing halloween every day wearing your big man feet and tight women too that's a lot of work it's a lot of holy respect yeah so with that said i, what, explain to me what, well, he started helping him with his hormones.

Now, I'll just say this. I learned a lot about cancer because I, my wife's been dealing with it since 2012. And not a fact fact just an opinion your hormones are changed the minute you start taking the pill birth control pill yes absolutely 100 and if you look at when breast cancer started just rising it's a bizarre coincidence the more pills we take that's a gazillion dollar industry a lot of a lot of things could be a billion things doesn't matter but i've had specialists explain to me hormones once you start messing with hormones it enhances

like it wakes cancer up and it waits and hangs out in your body. And then why women often get it at a certain age is because your hormones start changing again. And just like Pac-Man, it comes alive. Like, ah, remember when you made me alive and born? Well, now I'm back because you fucked with the hormones. and born well now i'm back because you fucked with the hormones so when i asked this person i of course i didn't bring any of this up i was just i just couldn't believe that i i could tell you so i said what exactly made your son want to change you as a sexual thing did he see pornography did he because that's another thing people don't want to admit when you see porn as a kid you try i was traumatized i the

first time i saw her poor you know i'm playing godzilla and pac-man and the next thing you know and it's for you like oh my god, my God. What? I never looked at anything. I'm banging pillows now. A savage comes out of you. Like, I never even thought of sticking my. It alters your mind and everything. And it's extremely addicting. So with that, I'm asking them, like, she said, no, he didn't like his penis.

He just never liked his penis. He thought it was ugly. And I wanted to say, did you ever talk to him and say, well, just like the ugly duckling, the ugly duckling was very ugly and didn't like his penis and didn't really understand why his penis existed because he's five years old and then by the time he's seven eight years old you start explaining that hey the penis is gonna maybe you know hey there's some good things there's gonna be times you have to piss really bad and you're gonna enjoy that penis and you're wanting to bushes and you pee while you have to go weirdest ugly duckling story ever. Yeah, yeah. Imagine if your dad is telling you the ugly duckling story about dicks and you're like, what are you trying to say, dad?

Your dad's Jim Brewer. Just say it, dad. But the point is, I'm sure they had conversations, but her conversation ended by just saying, no, he just never liked his penis. He never liked his penis. He never liked his penis. Jason ended by just saying, no, he just never liked his penis. He never liked his penis.

He never liked his penis. And I'm not to judge, but I just find it extremely dangerous unless your child is in a situation where they may die. But there's no situation where you may die if you don't change your gender, unless you're talking about suicide. No, I'm saying to change your body's chemistry. Yeah. Because another thing is, I've dealt with teenagers that are addicts and they'll clearly tell you the reason why drugs and alcohol are so bad at you at the age of 13, 14, 15, because your brain is not developed.

Yeah. And it will affect your brain. So if your brain, and they say you really can't make 100% conscious decisions until you're between whatever. I think it's 25. Let's say it's 21. Yeah. But why is that?

So I just question not anyone out there. Right. Why can you change your gender when you're still developing? Why would you do it as a child? There's no good answer. There is no good answer. There's no good answer. This is one of those things.

Think about it. But it's one of those things where if you bring it up. For the health. There's the ideology. One ideology is that this person has always been a girl and that they know by the time they're two and you should get them on hormone blockers as quickly as you can so you can change their gender as quickly as you can. And then there's another ideology that says, hey, wait a minute. You are doing something that, first of all, is very recent in terms of medical science.

They haven't been around that long in terms of these gender or these hormone blockers and you're allowing children to make decisions at a very young age that will affect them literally for the rest of their life and it's not like it's a 100 success rate there's a lot of kids who go through gender reassignment surgery that are very regretful. There's websites dedicated to it. You could read all these personal accounts. If there was a thing that always worked, like every time you did it and like, oh, they feel so much better. I'm not making a comparison in terms of the same thing, but here's a good example.

If someone wanted a nose job, like maybe someone has a really fucked up nose, a deformed hump on their nose, and you take that thing down and then they look much better and they're much happier. Right. And most good nose jobs, I bet, do have a positive success rate in terms of like positive feeling after it's done. Like, sure, I'm so happy I got that crazy fucking hook fixed on the top of my nose yeah that this is not that this is something way more complex and it's also there's been studies that show that for some of these people that don't transition that wanted to transition when they're young they wind up just becoming gay as they get older and there's nothing wrong with that right there's other you know human beings if they want to do this as they're an adult and they know for a fact they want to do it as an adult then then they should be able to make their

own choices but when you're talking about really young children and then you have all this reinforcement from people and trans activists and people that like literally encourage people to do this it's your make you don't know you can't quantify what's going on inside of a person's mind the problem is i think for some people it is the right choice for some people if you got them on hormone blockers and then they became they transitioned to be a woman they might ultimately be happier that's that's real possible but they might ultimately be happier. That's real possible. But they might not, too. And so when you're in this situation where you're talking about a minor

and you use absolutes, like this is where they want to be, this is their true gender, this is what they should do, and then you encourage them and you lead them along, you're in this weird place when you're talking with young people. You can encourage young people to do a lot of things because they're very malleable. Young people are very easily influenced. And there are also, you know, there's a book written by this woman, Abigail Schreier.

It's called Irreversible Damage. And it's about this. And it's about young girls in particular that there's been an uptick of over, I believe it's over a thousand percent of kids identifying, particularly girls, identifying as trans when they're in high school. It's called rapid-onset gender dysphoria, where these girls, a lot of times socially awkward girls, a lot of times girls who may be on the spectrum, they may have issues, and they get together and decide in clusters that they're trans. And it's very strange.

And statistically speaking, it doesn't necessarily make sense if you think about how many people out of 100 would naturally be trans or out of 1,000 or out of a million. It's much higher than that for these groups. And they feel like they're being influenced by social pressures and they're like they're being influenced by social pressures and they're making these decisions that they don't even have to have their parents involved like in some states you can actively begin taking testosterone and you can even get gender reassignment surgery on

your own without your parents giving permission when you're 15 which is crazy and you know when you're 15 you're not even supposed to be admitted to a hospital with an injury without parental consent. But yet they're allowing these people to have gender reassignment surgery without, you know, consulting other people in their family, without consulting their parental guides. You can't drink, you can't drive, you can't do anything. But you can go and have gender reassignment surgery. And a lot of people have issue with that.'s a super super touchy subject but why is it touchy

well this is probably the problem because they don't want anyone saying anything that's contrary to the narrative that they're trying to push out which is that it should be encouraged for anybody who wants it they should get them on hormone blockers yeah there was another thing they were trying to say for a while but they finally had to admit they were trying to say that if you get someone on hormone blockers when they're young and they change their mind and decide to be the sex that they were born with that there'll be no damage now they're saying no it's not true now they're saying you you will definitely change the way that person develops and grows and they will have damage so like this is obvious to anybody that knows anything

about the human body and about hormones but they were trying to pretend that it wouldn't have any effect on them this is why i always like where does this start does this start with a mad scientist no it starts in universities there's a lot of it a lot of it starts with people that don't they don't live in the real world and they live in these super insulated liberal environments like universities. Who funds universities? Well, people who pay to have their kids go there or people that are kids that get student loans.

I mean, if no one's paying, the university goes under. But they are subsidized by the government. It's one of the reasons why student loans are so expensive. Okay, so if you're subsidized subsidized subsidized by the government wouldn't it eventually come from somewhere in there yeah it's not a plan who creates education it's not a plot i know what you're saying no no no but who creates symptom of the fact that these people don't compete in the real world.

They don't exist in the real world. They teach in universities, they get tenure, and there's an overwhelming liberal bias in education. Like, overwhelming. Why do you think that is? It's a lot... Well, it's... I think in terms of education, like, the type of people that wind up doing that are the

type of people that go to school, they get indoctrinated into that environment, and then they wind up teaching. So they don't really leave. They stay in this mindset, and it's very much like any other ideological mindset, whether it's a religion or a cult or liberal thinking that mirrors religion in a lot of ways. Because there's no compromise. You're compelled to think a certain way. And you're criticized and ostracized if you don't comply. It's mandatory compliance to think along certain lines.

And they also make you think along lines where you know that it's not logical. You know it's not correct. Like a big one is transgender athletes. They try to say, like, do you know this? In high school in Connecticut, 15 state championship titles, 15 records are being held by two biological males in Connecticut. Yeah, it's bananas. Everybody knows it's bananas, but yet they're saying like Scientific America just had a story about it. Like we must allow transgender athletes

to compete in the sex that they identify with. Well, no, that's crazy. No, we must not allow that because we must protect biological women. There's a reason why biological males are not allowed to compete with biological women is because they have certain physical advantages. That's why we have boy sports and girl sports. Now, just because someone identifies as being trans, should we treat them like they're a woman or treat them like they're a boy? Yes, we should. But we should recognize that when we're talking about athletic competition, that we're dealing with a completely different thing. We're dealing with physical bodies competing against other physical bodies. And yes, there's a spectrum in physical bodies.

And there's some women that are going to be superior athletically. And there's some women that just don't have good bodies for sports. The same thing with males. of sports. The same thing with males. And that this spectrum, the difference in the spectrum is, if you took like a world-class sprinter, world-class sprinter is a woman, top of the food

chain, Olympic gold medalist, there are high school athletes that will bury her as males. Male high school athletes that you can take the best sprinter in the world, and you'll find a hundred male high school, high school, 15-year-olds,

who will leave her in the dust because they're built differently. This is when I go into the system of everything. It's so bizarre to me. Like when I was in, I always question, you know, my kids come home from school. like when I was in I always question you know my kids come home from

school I go why are you like why are they learning what they're learning 90% of it if you ask me makes zero sense zero sense so if you're not

and here I even when I was years ago, you know what? In my opinion, I believe you create something. If I create a drug or if I create a procedure, I need to sell it somehow to make money. So how do I get it out there i gotta come up with a a disease or a everyone today has a um has something late oh your child has xyz and a lot of people have adhd i say say ADHD back in the day was called I'm bored

from the bullshit because many kids you can take ADHD and they may not be good learners because what you're shoving down their throat is not only boring but they know it has no substance or

nothing that will prep them for anything that's real in human soul existence. There's a lot of debate about that stuff, too. It's not a debate. It's common sense. But there's a lot of debate about whether or not that's a real thing. So then, what do they do? They drug your child, and they purposely start with the, you know, your

child would do so much better if it just... it's a simple drug. So they started diseasing and drugging your children at a very young age and every time they got a new drug and a new something, it seems that it's infiltrated it's put out it's sold and you need to and you need to create something to sell it and i just sit back i watch if i say something i'm a conspiracy guy but i i do feel we're coming to a head either we need to start thinking and questioning everything, or we're heading in a wacky, wacky new world. We are in a wacky new world. This is the matrix.

It is. Yeah, and we're actually moving into the matrix, which is even crazier because people are getting closer and closer to an electronic reality where you're completely connected all the time. If you were to take away all visual, all visual, all audio, I guarantee you 90% of what goes on today wouldn't exist. Wouldn't exist. You mean in terms of like a lot of the wacky social shit? All of it. Not necessarily.

People wouldn't be running around. There was a lot of craz wacky social shit? All of it. Not necessarily. People wouldn't be running around. There was a lot of craziness in universities in the 60s during the Vietnam War protest. Even before then, the humanity. You asked me something really interesting last time we were here. If you had to go back in time, or if you had one question, and my question was, when did this all start? When was the first movement of, you need schools? What do you need a school for if we're living off the land and we just got to eat and take care of one another? What do you need a school for to make money?

Well, money's fake. It's not necessarily just that. Because people have accumulated information. It's very difficult to find. You got to get it all in one place and the best way to have it taught is have it taught by someone who's a professional intellectual like someone who's actually been studying all this stuff all day long most people you have a craft like say if you're a blacksmith right if you're a blacksmith and you make horseshoes or knives or whatever the fuck you make you don't have the time to acquire all of galileo's theories and writings listen to what newton had to say about gravity you

don't have time right you don't have time for any of that shit darwin's theory you're not you're not going to study evolution you don't have time so you want to bring your children you want to have people educated by someone who's a professional intellect. So someone who's been studying these thoughts and concepts and knows how to teach them. The problem is then they also have immense power over children, right? Because the children listen to them, look up to them, and a lot of them have immense egos because of the fact they have this immense power.

A lot of them also are in a position of power for the first time in their life. So much like a newly famous person that wants a white tiger, they become indoctrinated into this world of power and attention. And so then they demand compliance in this ideology that teaching to children. And then those children eventually get jobs at the university and some of them become professors themselves and so they continually perpetuate this world that they were indoctrinated into and this world is extremely left-wing you know there's and they feel like they should be able to do these things here do you remember there was a lady that got in trouble a few years back because she was uh on a university campus and they were this was when they first started doing safe spaces they first started doing safe spaces and this one kid who was an asian kid was uh filming this safe

space and this woman who was a professor was uh yelling at him to put the camera down. He's like, I'm reporting for the school. This is what I do. I'm a journalist under training. I'm training to be a journalist. She yells at him. She says, this is a safe space. There's no cameras. They're outside too, by the way. And then she said, can I get some muscle over here to handle this? So she starts calling for reinforcement of her ideas. She's telling this guy, and then she's calling for people to come. She literally asked for muscle to come and help her physically intimidate this guy to stop him because she's saying a bunch of ridiculous shit, and he's filming it.

So he puts it online, and she winds up having to apologize, and everybody freaks out. But this is what people do when they can't get compliance. They want to bring in thugs. This is what's so dangerous because all this fucking crazy socialist, communist, Marxist shit that people are being taught universally, we know where this goes. If you study Stalin, this ultimately goes to someone enforcing these ideas, whether it's through Russia, the way the Russians did it or the way the Chinese did it. When they want compliance, there's only one way to stop the people that resist. You have to use force. Force. I'll tell you what.

This woman immediately went to force. Can I get some muscle? This is the way the human mind works. When you're trying to tell people what to do and they don't want to listen, and you have people that are willing to hey hey hey we take care of this we'll take care of it you have more important things to do like safe spaces we'll just beat the fuck out of this journalist dude and let him know and teach him not we don't take care of our our journalists don't they don't they're not allowed to film the things that are uncomfortable. It's insanity. Yeah, it's insanity. I have a guy, one of my, I don't want to say who he does. I have an acquaintance from Korea, an acquaintance from Portugal, and Romania,

and all three have said the same thing in pure terror. Yeah. They all have said, you, meaning America, have no clue what's going on right now. You are worse than just sitting ducks because you're so compliant and you don't even know it's happening. This has been in the works for 20 to 30 years. They started with education. They got the media. They got the judges.

They got the lawmakers. You guys are doomed. I don't think it's a conspiracy. They started with education. They got the media. They got the judges. They got the lawmakers. You guys are doomed. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I don't think that it's happening because of a conspiracy. I think this happens at the end of every civilization's reign. And I think this happened with the Greeks and it happened with the Romans. It's one of the things that Douglas Murray, when I had him on my podcast, was discussing. He said one of the things that happens at the end of civilizations

is they become obsessed with gender. It's a thing that happens where men start becoming women and women start becoming men, and it becomes like a big focus, like cross-dressing and all this stuff becomes a big point of focus. And I was like, well, why is that? He goes, it seems to be that they're dissolving all boundaries and all norms and all societal structure.

And that's a part of it. It's like gender roles. When you say, this is what I learned about television too. I would like anyone to just, I always say, look at all the TV shows and you tell me out of all the shows that are out there, all the channels, who's the strong, smart male? There's not a lot of that. Why do you think that is?

TV shows... Who programs the programs? Who puts on programming? Who runs big networks? And who's putting on show after show after show with a specific line of entertainment that is constantly pumped into the system? It's because they're trying to be successful. They're trying to tell stories. And the best way to get something on the air, if you're going to do a comedy in particular, is to have the bumbling male, like the Al Bundy,

like he's falling apart. And then you have, you know, like those themes exist over and over and over again. But then some people tell me this, I'll go, why do you, why is, well, I'll say, if you think news is really good, if they really cared about humanity, they would say, hey, man, start loving people, start taking care of your body, and maybe we could, none of it, it's all just hate division. But what, but here the answer is always, well, it's because the entertainment, but they don't allow any other view.

So therefore, you, it's almost like you're programmed. Yeah, this is what, you don't even, the other side's never even had a chance. Well, if you're in the bubble of Hollywood, right? See, this is what you got. The other side's never even had a chance. Well, if you're in the bubble of Hollywood, right? See, this is the thing. It's like thought contagions. If you're in the left-wing Hollywood bubble, everyone, like, have you ever been on a conference call with a bunch of Hollywood people and they'll say wacky shit? I mean, I've heard people say, especially people that are, hmm, let's put it this way, pro-Israel.

They will say a lot of crazy shit about Arabs or about Palestinians, and you'll go like, whoa. Imagine if someone was recording this. You're assuming everyone's on the same page. This is years ago, and generally in response to something in the news. But there's an ideology that everyone subscribes to. And that ideology is extremely left wing. It's extremely left wing.

And it's all negative. You could not be in a meeting seven, eight months ago and have pro-Trump rhetoric in a Hollywood meeting to pitch a show. They didn't care how good your show was. You're done. You're done. Get out of here. Like, you could be the nicest guy in the world. Right.

But if you have some sort of a message about Trump, well, here's the thing. People don't know about Trump. Unemployment among black families is lower than it's ever been before. Having jobs are higher. There's less crime. The economy is better less crime that the economy is better and as the economy does better all the communities do better if you started saying things

like that they would kick you out of the office they don't give a fuck about that the ideology is very left-wing and so they feed off of this and then they are producing the new shows so if they're producing the new shows they think they're doing the right thing like like they all do like i used to people used to say oh tv shows you know they're programming these tv shows because they're trying to warp your mind to listen to me the people who are making those tv shows are just as influenced by the shit they're doing they're they believe all that shit they're stuck in it yeah Yeah, you're right. They're not like masterminds. Right, right, right, right.

I am the puppet master. I'm manipulating the people. No, no, no. They are just as balls deep in that fucking loony world as the people that they're selling it to. You're right, you're right, you're right. So what else you got then? You got Fox News.

You got wacky shit like Newsmax or oan one american network you're like oh i don't watch anything you know you don't have a ran paul network right you don't have a guy who's like you show me that guy yes very reasonable republican yes you know and you know he has some really good points he's like talking about people wearing two masks that have been fully vaccinated and he said it's theater he said to Fauci. It's pure theater. There's a lot of it. There's a lot of letting people know, I am doing this double mask thing because this is what good people do.

Why don't you wear five masks and I don't have to wear any? So you'll be fully masked up. You don't care what happens with me. And don't worry about it. You're good. I was on the plane and I started asking the nurse, and I said, so I'm on the plane, and we're in the tube. And you take off the mask to eat.

And I take off the mask to eat, and the air above me is going, and she, well. It's theater. And they go, well, the air in the plane has a negative effect. So if this guy sneezes, I'm not going to get it because then we don't have to wear a mask if it's the air. If it's the air in a plane is safe, well, then why we wear a mask? My friend Cody Garbrandt got kicked off a plane because his two-year-old son wouldn't keep his mask on. What airline? Southwest.

They took him off the plane, but he was throwing a fit, and he went into the cockpit and filmed both of the pilots who didn't have masks on. And he said, we're all breathing the same fucking air, and you guys don't even have masks on. This is crazy. I have a friend that— A baby. Well, the new thing is, if you don't get a vaccine,

because people are now saying you can't continue working. Who's saying that? I have a friend who works for... Something. Something, and she said... They said that you have to be fully vaccinated. You need to be vaccinated. There's hospitals doing it.

There's doctors doing it. There's doctors doing it. So here's the thing. If you don't know the effect, and you can't sue any of this trial, because at the end of the day, it's a trial, I believe. I don't think it's... I think they admit they don't know. We don't 100% know, whatever it is. We don't 100% know, whatever it is. If I do have an effect, if I'm coming to work for Joe Rogan,

and Joe goes, Jim, listen, they said you need to get vaccinated. And you get vaccinated and there's a negative consequence. I should be able to come after you. Who do I sue then? I would be the only person you could come after because I don't think you can come after the company that makes them. No, they made it clear you can't. Orna no you can't you know what man the problem where we're going paul was saying to fauci was that when people have got the virus and got over it even the small amount of cases where people did get reinfected it was very mild and he was

pointing out the fact that you keep these antibodies for a long time. And they're showing people. Jamie has antibodies from October. So here we are in March. It's almost April. And Jamie still has his antibodies from many months ago. But now what were you watching? What were you showing me with Rand Paul?

Rand Paul talking to Fauci. On what? It's in the Senate. Okay. But here's how the media works. They're not going to show that. They're going to show Fauci saying, well, it's whatever, because he was throwing smoke screens. He was throwing tear gas. Well, he was dancing around.

Hold on. In my opinion. He was responding to criticism from a politician that was questioning why Fauci was, in Rand Paul's opinion, spreading doom and gloom because he was saying you're going to have to wear masks for years. And he's saying, why are you saying that? He said, if you want people to get vaccinated, what you should be saying is when you get vaccinated, you no longer have to wear a mask. Because what we're looking at when he said in terms of the data that we're aware of, people post-infection getting reinfected is extremely rare. And when they do get reinfected, it's much more mild. He talked about the data that shows that people are showing that they have these antibodies

five, eight months after infection, just like Jamie does. Me. And they're saying, and what he was saying is, you are the voice of doom and gloom. One of the things that Fauci said that drives me crazy, he said,

we're not going to be shaking hands anymore. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. Yes, we are going to shake hands. What he constantly was questioned, Rand Paul? Yeah, Rand Paul. I, we are going to shake hands. What he constantly was questioned, Rand Paul? Yeah, Rand Paul. I try to tap out as much.

He kept questioning, you, Fauci, are talking about the science. What science do you have? And he wouldn't answer. He kept dancing in circles. He didn't have an answer. He did not have a science. He goes, you said, if let's look at the science proves X, Y, and Z, you're doing theater. And every time he kept saying that, Fauci kept dancing and would not answer the question.

But what you'll see on media later today, I guarantee you, will be Fauci with something he says as to, oh, Fauci says we need to X, Y, Z. And they won't show an inkling of that brilliant, very well... And if they did, they wouldn't be full and in context. That's mind control. That's mind control. That's not entertainment. That's mind control. That's a crime on humanity's mind.

And you know when this began? When? Years ago. Should we get high now? I'm already high naturally. You want to? Knock it out. We're getting into this mind control talk.

Bro. But listen to me. Yeah? Why do they... If you go to the airport, I don't have a choice of what's playing at every gate. It's always CNN.

Why? Because they're trying to... It's mind control. No, they're trying to give you the news before you get on a plane. No Because they're trying to... It's mind control. No, they're trying to give you the news before you get on the plane. No, they're mind controlling you. You think so? That's a crime on humanity. I should not...

That's a push. You're pushing it a little bit, I think. You may think so. Listen... Put on something neutral. It doesn't make you talk. Sometimes it's too loud. I can't even hear myself.

I'm forced to go there. Otherwise, now I've got to go there otherwise now i gotta go the food why would you have televisions blaring news at gates with children and families of people that have no interest of what's going on i should not be forced to have this eye pornography and ear pornography. So what do you think they should do? It shouldn't be there. Case closed. If you're going to have TV, put

flowers and ducks and puppies. What if they do have to show you some news? Like what if a super volcano erupted and all flights are canceled and they just want to inform people? What did we do 40 years ago? Your flights cancel. Why? I heard what's going on. It's not going to affect your life.

Is your life going to change that second? I think some people like watching the news. Because they've been indoctrinated. Yeah, when they think that CNN is an unbiased source of news. Oh, I'm not saying CNN. I'm saying any news. It should not be up there. It's a mind crime.

It's a crime on humanity's minds. I think there'm not saying any news. It should not be up there. It's a mind crime. It's a crime on humanity's minds. I think there's an argument for that. There's an argument that you shouldn't... And your emotions. Yeah. If I'm watching people getting blown up or they're telling me, this one's an asshole, or that one, I'm telling you, this one's to be...

You're telling everyone at that gate, and as much as it drives me nuts that people go, well, we have a mind of their own. Yeah, but not when it's manipulated 24-7. There's a good argument about the airport thing because you really can't escape it, right? Because it's a rare moment

when you're just sitting down in a place where you didn't choose to be at the news place. You choose to be at the plane place. You choose to be at the plane place. I'm here to get on a plane. I'm not here to take in the news. I like this one, too. Like, you said you chose. I like this one.

If you wear a mask on a plane, if you don't want to wear a mask, they say, you agreed to wear the mask. I had no choice. The airlines say... Why do they say that to you, that you agreed? They don't say you agreed. There's videos that people get kicked off the plane. People are like, you agreed.

You agreed. Before you go on the plane, you wear the mask. I had no choice. If you don't wear the mask... They won't let you on the plane. They don't let you on the plane. The problem with it is... So now they're controlling you where you go. But the problem is, even if you do wear the mask, they won't let you on the plane. They don't let you on the plane. So now they're controlling you where you go.

But the problem is, even if you do wear the mask, if you take it off to eat, all bets are off. Because now we're in nonsense land. We're in nonsense land. Listen, I tell everyone, just change. All you got to do is change. Just change it to accent. We have no rules and regulations. The following is for your safety.

It starts making more... It makes a lot more sense when you start doing that. You know what's weird is that all the social distancing and masks and all this shit, it seems to have worked for the flu. The flu is at the lowest rate that it's ever been in recorded history. So it's really, it's wild. So it's like one of two things has happened.

Either COVID is so fucking contagious that it transfers even when people are wearing masks and social distancing. It's still making its way through the population, which is what you see in California, right? Because California has had the strictest COVID lockdowns and the longest. But they have really high levels of COVID infection. They've had terrible, terrible results with their lockdowns. And then the economic results is the worst by far. I mean, they've doubled, more than doubled their unemployment rate. It's fucking chaos in terms of homeless people. 75% of all LA restaurants are gone forever. I mean, it's fucking chaos in terms of homeless people 75 of all la restaurants are gone forever i mean it's a fucking wreck it's a wreck but if you look at

the flu the flu just it just it worked on the flu so what is it is it that that these masks and social distancing are super effective with the flu because the flu is just not quite as contagious. So it just knocked it dead. Is that what it is? Or? Or is it that a lot of people got both? They got COVID and they got the flu and it accentuated their illness. And when we looked at it, we said, oh,

this is a COVID infection. But is it a COVID infection plus a flu infection? Because it might be that. Because that's one of the things that does happen to people that get the flu, right? One of the things that happens to people that get the flu, they can also get pneumonia, they can get a lot of other conditions. Bronchitis.

Yeah, a lot of other things happen. And especially when you're dealing with infectious diseases and you have a compromised immune system. If you have the flu, man, your immune system's compromised. And if you have COVID and the flu, the thing is they're going to put the attention on COVID because COVID is the big one. That's the big one that's in the news.

And unless you're dying, take vitamin C, D, and zinc according to infectious disease doctor. Yeah. Well, most – you shouldn't just take zinc. You should take zinc with something so that it gets into your cells better. And if you're going to take D, you should take D with K. I'll say I definitely tightened up. I got healthier. It made me think about how many times I shoved my fingers in my mouth.

I'll tell you that. Not my nose, in my mouth. Touch your face. Touch my face. Touch my eyes. All that jazz. It made me think that way, but whatever. Yeah, it's the immune system.

I wasn't very funny. I apologize. You were funny for a long time. You just got a little crazy when we got to COVID. Is it crazy? No. But it is crazy. Here's what drives me nuts.

Life is crazy. Life is crazy. I'm saddened. My rage against the machine is anything that I feel is unjust and you're taking advantage of humanity, that makes me foam at the mouth. Angry. And that goes from faith. It makes me nuts.

Makes me nuts. It used to be, fuck you, I won't do what you tell me. Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me. Now it's, fuck you, you better do what they tell you. Dude, can I tell you what a fucking beat head I was? Yes.

That's what it is. It's now you have to do what they tell you. They were a month away from a comeback before the shutdown happened. Were they? And they're supposed to play at Coachella in April. Whoa. Bro, in June, I was... This is what a knucklehead I am.

With Zach De La Rocha, the whole deal? He's right. They're going to do a tour everywhere. Because I was ready to go see it. I was ready to go see it. Well, I think it was June, May or June. Now, I live in this little town, Chester, New Jersey, and I'm driving through town.

I've got my windows rolled down, and I purposely would keep that. Now they do it, they told you. Now now they do it they told you now you do it they told you fuck you and I'm going and I would do this like on a daily basis

and I'm going what am I 14 like am I really and I'm blasting it and these little families like going to antique stores. But it's just, this is, it made me, my kids sat me down like, dad, you got to, you're nuts. You're full blown nuts. What I'm worried is you and I are in our 50s and we're looking at this like guys who are older, who are looking at the kids coming up today and going, what the fuck are they doing?

I'm worried that the kids that are coming up that don't recognize that they are being mentally manipulated and the narrative is being controlled by the media and it's being perpetrated by the institutions and by the universities and that this woke narrative that keeps getting spread through all these kids and if you don't comply, people will call you the worst things in the world, like you're a racist, you're a homophobe, you're a bigot, and nobody wants to be any of those things. So you will comply just so that you don't fall out of favor with these people, that these poor kids won't have the opportunity to think for themselves,

that they'll be so trapped in this ideology that we are dealing with something like like communist russia we are dealing with a controlled population that is totally adherent to an ideology they're totally compliant to this ideology i'm scared of that man because that's that could be what's bubbling up right now, but we won't know until it's too late. When all this shit was going on in the universities, I was complaining about it years ago. And I remember people saying, like, why do you care what's happening in universities? You're a comedian living in Los Angeles, and you're caring about these arguments in universities where they're shutting

down conservative speakers and blowing bullhorns and setting off fire alarms. I'm like, this is thought control. Thank you. They're controlling the way these children see the world, and they're forcing compliance to this one ideology, whereas school is supposed to be about ideas competing. Yes. It's supposed to be about ideas competing. Yes. It's supposed to be the battleground of ideas. And you're supposed to be uncomfortable, and you're supposed to learn from things in these

uncomfortable environments where people discuss things, and you get to hear one person's perspective versus another person's perspective. Is there nothing more exciting if we had four or five of us, and we have all different views, and we're just hanging out, and we're just talking, and, you know, and you know i'm not really into this one saying but like ah you know what i yeah i get it i get where you're at that doesn't exist anymore no it's it doesn't exist very often in very many places i try to be as open-minded as possible with things while still having my own opinions yeah but i try to i really do as much as I get criticized of not doing that, it's hard.

It's hard to do. I don't always do it the best. I think you do a damn good job. I'm not blowing smoke up. I try. I really do. We all do. It's my idea.

Yeah. Excuse me. It's my intent to listen and to try to understand other people's perspective while also being rational, but also recognizing cult thinking. There's a lot of cult-like thinking going on, and that's what woke America is. Being woke is a cult. It doesn't mean being compassionate is a cult, being kind and considerate and open-minded and inclusive. All those things are wonderful. being kind and considerate and open-minded and inclusive.

All those things are wonderful. That's great. It's good for everybody. I'm a very open-minded person, very inclusive person. I want everybody to be happy. I know that I'm different than other people. I know there's music I like that's different. There's activities I like that's different.

I don't want you to like the things I like. You don't have to. Let's just be nice to each other and be respectful, decent human beings. It's not that hard. But that's not what's being promoted today. What's being promoted today is either you think the way I think or you're a bigot. That's dangerous because you're getting kids to think that they have to think a certain way or they'll be ostracized. And to be a rebel, to stand out against this woke shit that they're teaching,

it puts you in a very vulnerable position socially, very vulnerable position for people that are at their most vulnerable in life, young people that are trying to find themselves and they're trying to fit in. They want social credibility. They want people to like them. And you have a very hard road

if you don't toe the line and follow the ideology that's being pushed predominantly today. It's no different than following that white tiger in leather pants, just a different ideology. But you're following the same thing. It's very similar. Blindly. Yeah, it's very similar. People really do love to be a part of a group where you you're accepted and appreciated i know i'm chilly you're

chilly really i get chilly a lot my hands get chilly what's going on man is that a post-covid thing it could be do you have covid toes i got covid toes you know i got covid eyes my eyes get all chapped oh yeah it's fucking weird i started i started started wanting to learn how to hunt I literally wanted to hunt When the food was scarce? No I started going Are we gonna go into

An area where We have to tap out And this whole thing just made me think of everything Differently If governments Because at the end of the day it's governments, are able to pull the rug on everything you possess, all your work, everything, and say where you can walk, how close you can stand next to each other. And as much as we believe that would never exist, are you prepped for, God forbid, the electric grid is turned off? And then you want to talk about chaos.

Yeah. Wow. Well, we came four minutes away from that here in Texas. The electric grid almost went down. When the power grid was really down when the the power grid was really vulnerable because of the cold because everybody was like trying to heat their house up and everybody had the the power on they almost collapsed and that made me realize wow and and it's really funny because my wife who's who in the Lord world, she found Jesus years ago. She's not like, hey, read the Bible.

Tell Joe, make sure he finds it. She's not like that. But that's her base, right? Where I'm more spiritual, and I remember I was going with a friend of mine. He's like, you want to learn how to hunt? He's teaching me guns and all this stuff. I said, I want to start learning how to hunt. Not only hunt, but I want to-

New Jersey's actually a good place to learn to hunt. There's a lot of deer. Tons of deer. And a lot of bear. A lot of bear. I think they stopped the bear hunt for a while. I don't know if I'd kill a bear. I don't know if I'd kill an animal yet.

Yeah, you could. I know. Trust me. I'm sure I can. You could. I'd have to indie it, Joe. No, if you got- No, if I needed it, I could do it. You'd have to indie in it? Yeah, meaning like, oh, I'm sure I can. You could. I'd have to indie it, Joe. No, if you got... No, if I needed it, I could do it.

You'd have to indie in it? Yeah, meaning like, oh, I'm sorry. The spirit world, they're going to eat you. I'm so sorry I had to take your life. I'll make sure it's done well. You know what I mean? That's what I mean. I get it.

Give it blessings. I understand. I don't know if I personally can take out an animal yet, but I booked it, yet but I booked it right I booked it we're gonna go on a hog hunt oh that's a good one to go on yeah we're gonna go in a hog hunt where are you going Tennessee okay but I got my first gig booked the week we're supposed to go I was like listen man I haven't had money in a long time, which also changed my world too. I don't have the means to go, I don't need to work.

Right. You have to work. This one's in private. This one's college. I'm like, thank God I was able to go as long as I did without it. Yeah. But I went, you know what? I want to know, God god forbid i could take this

thing he's like oh bro i'll bring it okay so it was all hooked up but i remember having dinner with my wife and we're with another couple and uh we're sitting there and i've you know if i have two drinks i'm happy and i'm chatterbox and i'm sitting there and they're like yeah you know i didn't meet and i went oh my god i'm going for my first hunt and d goes what'd you say i said frank's bringing me on i'm gonna learn how to she's like no you're not i went yeah i am i said i'm not killing it i'm just going to watch i'm just going to watch i'm just going to watch and i'm going to learn how to cut it and and no i want to i want to learn to cut the animal stock the meat how do you stock the meat am i able to am i able to eat this down the road am i able to i want to learn how to fish all

to survive not not to and i really want to start getting into that bro i really want to learn how to fish, all to survive, not to— and I really want to start getting into that, bro. I really want to start getting into that. People don't— Oh, so what I was going to say was, so two weeks later, it gets blown out of the water, and I told Dee, I'm like, Dee, listen to me. The reason why I was doing that, I said, I'm going to be dead honest with you,

because there's a little part of me that's freaked out i'm gonna be blatantly honest here there's a little part of me freaked out i don't know where this world is going if you told me the world's gonna shut down and tell you what to do and think and blah blah blah i said i saw this years ago but now it's intense now it's getting intense i go uh i i want to know and she goes Jim I'll be killing the animal and I'll be skinning the animal and so will your youngest daughter and she made me belly laugh so hard because she was dead serious

my wife so why didn't she want you to go hunt she just thought you don't need to learn that right now listen to me hunting is not easy it's like, you don't need to learn that right now. You're doing it out of fear, but I want to. Listen to me. I'm listening.

Listen to me. Hunting is not easy. It's not something you just do. You got to learn how to do it. And it takes a long time. I've been doing it for almost a decade. It takes a long time. I'm barely good at it.

If I'm on my own, it's hit or miss. I use guides to help me. I use guides to show me where it's the best place. And I learn from them just like when i did martial arts i use coaches and i learn i'm a very i'm a good listener i'm a good student like everything i know about hunting i know from my friends that taught me how to hunt my friends like cam haynes and john dudley and steve ranella they taught me how and then i learned from guides and i'm i do it that way because i'm i'm humble and i i'm open-minded and i'm i know what what i

do and what i don't what i can do and what i can't do by myself and i have a limited amount of time the amount of information that you have to know to be good at hunting is staggering. It's not simple You have to be physically fit Because the animals are fucking smart and they go in the woods and they hide they go in the mountains They go in high altitude elk Generally, they're not a high altitude animal They used to be on the plains the problem is people came along and so they relocated to the mountains Because they know it's hard for us to get around they figure these things out if you want to be a successful hunter you got to learn

how to do it this idea that once civilization collapses oh then i'll learn hunting the fuck you will the fuck you will you ain't gonna learn shit and you need someone to show you how to do it and that's why i want to start learning now. And I also know, just like on a completely different way, golfing. If you're going to learn to golf, you need to go with guys that aren't intense. They're willing to teach you.

So with this hunting, I still I'm going to go, but I want teachers. Guys like, I know you're totally wet behind the ears, and I'm going to show you everything. You're going to have to learn a lot, and you're also going to have to be fit. It's not an easy thing to do, man. Especially if you want to go after any animal that's a mountain animal.

It's fucking really hard. And this is coming from a guy who's worked out his whole life. Still, it's hard for me. I have a guy who wants to take me to... Bro, his name's Will Jamero. He was in World War II. He was trapped

in the towers. They did a whole movie on him. He lives in my town. The guy is an insane hunter. He's full blown. How old is he? He's like our age. He was in my town. The guy is an insane hunter. He's full blown. How old is he? He's like our age. He was in World War II.

What did I say? World War II? Oh, my God. Twin Towers. Jesus. Okay. I didn't understand. Will, I am so sorry.

You meant 9-11. Yes, I meant 9-11. Wow, I'm getting dementia. That's 2001, Jim. Wow. Not 1940. I was like, how old is this guy? He's our age.

I think your friend might be full of shit. Whoa. No, no, no. He was... I believe what I'm saying. If he was saying he was in World War... Imagine running into a guy who says, I was in World War II. Ace Kvitch, I was in World War II.

You're 40. That's right. I'm 47. But it happened in 1942. That's right. I'm 47. But it happened in 1942. That's right. Well, I was there. Goddamn Japanese. I was in the Philippines.

But this guy, he shows me his stuff, and he tells me to say he's going to— He spends two weeks in the middle of nowhere. Oh, he's like one of them backpack guys? Oh, yeah. He's intense. I have a few buddies that do that they do solo my friend adam green tree he does these long solo hunts well he'll go into the mountains for fucking he did one where he did it all and uh documented a lot of it on instagram we followed along and got a bunch of other people to follow him along too but he was by himself with

like solar chargers to charge his cell phone in the mountains. It took 28 days until he was successful. Camping out in the woods. And he had multiple encounters with a grizzly bear. One of them where he's getting charged and he's like pointing a pistol at her. You know, she had her cubs and she was trying to scare him off. So she would charge at him and stop like 10 yards away from him. Like fucking hair standing straight up teeth gnashing you know i'll tell you 600 pound grizzly bear full charge

men i hear no way no way it's dangerous no have you ever dealt with that? I've never dealt with a charging grizzly bear, but I saw a grizzly bear once. It stared at me in a way that I've never had an animal stare at me. Because most animals, like I've never encountered a cougar or a mountain lion in the woods. I've seen them twice, once in Santa Barbara, just driving. I saw one on the street, ran across the road. I didn't realize what it was until it got like halfway across the road.

I saw its tail, and I'm like, oh my God, that's a cat. And I realized, oh shit, that's a mountain lion. Wow. And that was like in the Montecito area of Santa Barbara. And then another time I saw one, it wasn't as clear in Colorado. It was a tan thing moving through the woods very quickly. And I go, oh shit, that's a cat.

But that was less clear than the Santa Barbara one. But I've never seen one eye to eye where I was looking at it and it was looking at me. But I did have that happen in Canada with a grizzly. And it looked me right in the eye like this. Black, dead eyes. And we had shotguns. We were actually bow hunting, but we brought shotguns because we were moving into an area that did have grizzlies. And it was spooky, man.

It wasn't even a big grizzly bear. It was like a six-foot bear. But the way it looked at you, man, it's a different way of looking at you. They have a different feel. Like any other animal. Because they're looking at you like, is this what I'm eating today? Because they're just looking for things to eat all the time they're enormous predators oh my god yeah so it's like not that big for a grizzly it was like maybe six foot tall maybe 250 pounds maybe 300 pounds for a grizzly it's not that big

they get they get way way bigger than that so this one looking at me but the the darkness in its eyes man it's like shark eyes like these black cold unfeeling dark eyes it's so weird man it's a it's a it's hard to explain when you lock eyes with a predator and they have the intention of eating you it is a weird fucking feeling man we got out of there quick she uh i was with a friend of mine who's a guide, made a lot of noise, got out of the scene. But it was weird. It's weird to see. I started, I love scuba diving. I want to get more intense with the scuba diving.

Oh, that's terrifying. I love it. That's their world. That's their world. At least the woods, you walk on the ground too, and you can climb a tree. Correct. But I saw a shark for the first time. In the water? Yeah.

Scuba diving? Yes. How far away? It was far enough that I was not worried. Did he have a spear gun? No, nothing. And so me and my daughter stopped, and just seeing the way it moves, and the minute it knew we were there, it kind of stopped,

and then it made a complete left and didn't want anything to do with us. But just to see it moving like this, and it made me want to get more. So I start following, and then just like hunting and and all that you learn more and more and more you get good guides and it changes the whole underworld and you realize most shark attacks are surfers and and snorkelers because they like coming in from behind and they don And they don't like facing you straight on. They don't like that at all. And some people that will, believe it or not, when a shark is coming to you,

most of the time, it's not coming to eat you. It's coming to check you out at first. And the real aggressive ones that will come towards you you you very rarely they open their mouth to take a chomp you because you don't know what's coming they're coming from behind as long as you face it always face it you're so much safer and then if it does come to you just kind of now I haven't had that experience you know yeah you do this you you push it you push it to the side and and they're like oh I don't had that experience. What are you doing, Aikido? Yeah, you do this. You push it. You push it to the side.

And they're like, oh, I don't want to deal with you. Have you seen that video recently? I don't want to deal with you. Recent video of this shark that's swimming straight at a guy and he spears it in the mouth? No. The thing is coming at him like 50 miles an hour. It's crazy. Straight on?

Straight on. Coming full bore at him with its mouth open. He shoves his spear gun in its mouth and pulls the trigger. Great white? I don't know what it was. There's going to be a... You see the...

There's one... You know the video. Jamie's seen the video. I see one where the guy... A bull shark? Bull shark. Bull shark. Nasty.

Watch this. Them and tigers. Watch this. Watch this. Okay. So this guy's in there spear fishing. Yeah. And look at this motherfucker.

Oh! Right at him. He was coming right for him. Full blast. He was coming for him. Yeah. Look at that. Shot him right in the mouth.

Good. Wow. I'm eating bull shark for the next couple months. Isn't that nuts? That's a dangerous animal. Do you know the New Jersey story that inspired Jaws? Do you know that story? Here's the thing about bull sharks.

Bull sharks swim upriver, so they swim in freshwater. They found bull sharks as far north as Illinois. What? Yeah, bull sharks have made it as far north up the Mississippi River as Illinois. They can swim hundreds of miles through freshwater. So the attacks from the early 1900s that inspired the movie Jaws were actually attacks on a river.

It was a river that was in New Jersey. Wow. It was a series of people that were murdered by bull sharks. They were killed by bull sharks. I forget the river, but this is like early 1900s where they wore those goofy Popeye-style bathing suits.

They probably thought it was a seal or something. They thought it was food. They don't give a fuck. This is like early 1900s where they wore those goofy Popeye-style bathing suits. Yes. They probably thought it was a seal or something. No, they thought it was food. They don't give a fuck. They don't give... It's just like you said with the grizzly bear. Bull sharks. Bull sharks are vicious. And it's food.

But there's people in Florida. There's an area in Florida on the East Coast where my friend went and dove with the nurse sharks or... Oh, yeah. Nurse sharks are peaceful. Whale sharks. I'm sorry. Not nurse sharks. Tiger sharks. Oh, yeah. Nurse sharks are peaceful. Whale sharks. I'm sorry. Not nurse sharks.

Tiger sharks. Oh, those are dangerous, too. And it's a breeding ground. And this maniac, they jump in. You pay a lot of money to go in there. To almost die. To almost die. And they tell you, like, you got to keep constantly.

No, I don't. Why? I don't want to do that. But I will say this. That's part of life. Like, this summer, I have planned. There's part of me that wants to tap out, Joe. About what?

Tap out to what? Just full-blown jungle society. I know I'm not going to do it. Like, live in the woods? Yeah. Live off the land? Costa Rica. Ooh.

Costa Rica's nice. Costa Rica. Until things get lawless. Then you realize, like, oh, I want the Constitution. Costa Rica. Ooh. Costa Rica's nice. Costa Rica. Until things get lawless. Then you realize, oh, I want the Constitution on my side. And that's the danger. That is the danger. You gotta go there.

You gotta acquire enough money to have your own military. You're right, man. You gotta acquire enormous amounts of money and then pay a bunch of train killers very well. Yes. And to guard your community. And then bring in a bunch of other friends.

Everybody chips in and make sure you've got a lot of bullets. And no one goes too far. You never went on a safari or anything like that? No. No, I've never been on safaris. I'm going to go with the gorillas this summer. Yeah? I can't wait.

Where are you going? Uganda. Sabawi. Oh, shit.'t wait. Where are you going? Uganda. Oh, shit. Tanzania. Wow. That's intense. I would go. I would certainly go.

The thing is, children are not supposed to take those fucking malaria shots. It's really, they can be really rough. Yeah, but they can be rough. The malaria medication can be very, very rough on kids. And the last thing you want is your kid to get fucking malaria. I have a buddy who's gotten malaria three times. Where does he live? Well, he works for, he has a nonprofit called Fight for the Forgotten.

His name is Justin Ren. He's a great guy. Like one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life. And he builds wells for the pygmies. And so he does it in, he's doing him in uganda and he also did it in the congo and uh he got he got malaria three fucking times and uh one time he got malaria when he wasn't even there he got malaria because he got weakened and sick and then the malaria kicked in again so it was dormant in his body he also got some crazy fucking brain parasite that fucked with him it was a a

parasite that it was very difficult for them to even identify at first they didn't know what it was so they get they had to give him all this medication and it lasted for fucking months and months and months and he went to all these different specialists and he's just now coming out of the fog of it but it was um uh i forget the exact term that he used or what this this parasite was but it had worked its way through his system and uh it it was some sort of a cerebral parasite it was in his gut it was in his body it was in everywhere it was real bad cancel the trip to africa immediately yeah but he was in the you got he was deep in the jungle like living in a hut with the with the pygmies and you know deep in the congo and also like bathing in the river that which is fucking

dangerous that's the big danger yeah we we were we i was there years ago and we came on this beautiful island and there were no predators on the island but they said don't go in the water but the water is huge don't go swimming why not parasites all over the place

they'll swim up your dick tapped out yes tapped out swim up your dick. Tapped out. You know about that? Yes. Tapped out. No way. Swim up your dick. In your penis hole. No.

In your dick hole. That's where they want to camp out. That's their cave. God. They swim up the cave, and then they have spines, and they attach themselves to the inside of your dick hole, and they have to pull them out with tweezers, and when they pull them out, it rips the inside of your dick apart. I'm making all this up.

I made all that that's why i don't even want to go to a hospital they do swim this in the amazon they do swim up your dick hole yes my biggest i i'm looking like one of my biggest fears is if i go to the hospital and i'm out i swab i know i don't want to i don't want to catfish that's the dick fish it goes in your dick How do you say that name Jamie? Candiru Candida which is also very bad But it's sugar Yeah that's candida right

The fish with a bad rep for human Private parts Paracetation So that look how big it is Imagine if that thing clogging up your pee hole. You'd have to jerk off to get rid of it. Look at this guy. That's what he's doing right there. Blast him out.

He's trying to blast him out right now. You have to save your loads up for several weeks and then drown it. What are you doing over there? To flood. To drown him. They swim up your dick hole. Apparently, if you pee in the water, they're attracted...

What is that? I mean, that's... I thought it was a... It's like a... Is that an x-ray? It looks like from a surgery. Oh, my God. That big thing was inside that guy's dick?

I think. It swims up your urine stream. How size is this guy's donkey? That's a big donkey. That guy's got to go anything close to that. Super giant hog, and? That's a big donkey. It's a giant hog. I ain't got anything close to that. Super giant hog, and that thing's inside of it. It's terrifying. I don't want to go to hospital.

It's just because I don't want a catheter in it. I get it. Look at that one. Oh, my God. That's not it. That's what it reminds me of. What is that? It's a different.

Oh. Someone might have stuck something up or something. Oh, he stuck a fucking bottle opener up his. Ew. Stuck a fork up his cock hole. How fucked up do you gotta be? My buddy Steve Graham used to work... He's an ophthalmologist,

and he did his residency in Miami during the cocaine days, during the 1980s. Oh, my God, yeah. And he showed me a ton of pictures. But they had people that had everything up their asshole. Like, G.I. Joe dolls.

One guy... You know one of them curly, like, pine cone-looking light bulbs? Yes dolls one guy you know one of them curly like pine cone looking light bulbs yeah one guy shoved one of those up his ass do you think it shattered in his ass is that a crazy thing is that a is that um uh uh like do you have to be homosexual no to do that's just a crazy thing yeah you? Yeah, it's crazy. You've lost your mind now. Sexual preference. Right? You're past the sexual preference, so you're like, we're just going to start. Go get the fucking chair.

You ever seen the guy that had the, there's a video that was going around the internet a while back of a guy with a mason jar, one of those glass mason jars, you know, that people would drink, like, lemonade out of? You know those mason jars? Yeah. He shoved it up his asshole,

and then it shattered. What? Yeah, it shattered, and then the glass chunk this guy's voluntarily oh yeah yeah he's doing on purpose the glass chunks were dropping out of his asshole with blood just falling to the ground it was one of the one of the most hardcore videos this is back in the style project days this is back in like there was a website called style project like way back in the 90s and maybe the early 2000s that had like the most hardcore shit bro this guy style would find everything fucked up and then there was another website called body modification extreme bme extreme oh my god and it was all like the most wild shit that people were doing to their

bodies but around the two girls one cup days people were shoving all kinds of things up their ass and this guy shoved um like it was like a glass jar up his ass and it shattered and the chunks of glass falling out of his ass with blood, right? Because he's bleeding internally. He's probably dead. What do you want? You want to start shoving shit in our ass, Joe? Like, how do you get to that point?

Are you true? Like, how do you go? That's a good question. Let's start with, let's just start with the ashtray. You know, people probably say that about me with tattoos. Like, how do you get to, your arms are sleeved up in tattoos. Yeah, but they're not up your ass. I know, but you see what I'm saying? Like, then it gets to face tattoos. Then it gets to, like, with tattoos. Like, how do you get to, your arms are sleeved up in tattoos. Yeah, but they're not up your ass. I know, but you see

what I'm saying? Like, then it gets to face tattoos. Then it gets to, like, dick tattoos. And maybe some people get their nipples pierced and then next thing you know

they want to stuff things in their ass. Maybe it feels good. So they stuff more, maybe they hate themselves so they put a mason jar up there. I don't know.

I hate myself. It's one of the worst videos I've ever seen, though, because he's squatting, and you hear the crack of the glass, like a glass shattering inside a bag, like a meat bag. Yeah. And then you hear clunk, clunk, and the drip, drip. Got it? I'm digging into this, The Kandiru. There's a parent.

I am not going to encourage these videos. What? The story of swimming up a penis, urethra. That was the first documented one? There's only a parent. According to this article, there's only one modern case that's been documented, and it was in 1997.

That's all I need. That's all I need, too. I don't need a whole ton of people getting dickfish. Just one is enough for me not to be in that river. If it's real, it's real. You know what I mean? It's like, well, there's no worries. You just double mask your penis. I just kept looking

for pictures, and then one of them started saying, like, myth. This isn't real. It's 90% myth. It's just... And then I started trying to figure it out. Just because it's rare doesn't mean it's not real. That's the same stupid logic that people use when it comes to bear attacks or shark attacks look it's so rare the odds of you getting struck by lightning or far higher it's still a possibility yeah just push that fish away Aikido style ha like you're the fucking karate

instructor and Napoleon Dynamite that's the other thing I wanted to do. Break the wrist. Walk away. That's the other thing I was going to do. So I was hunting, and I was going to try to learn jiu-jitsu, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm too old, man. You're not too old.

Anthony Bourdain didn't start until he was like 58. Really? Yeah. Because I think that would put me in insane shape. Yeah, it will. My biggest fear is just some punk. They're like, I'm really not asking for this, bro. I just want to get in my car.

Get out of here. I got my wife with me. I'm just watching someone taking me. That's like my biggest. Because the old days of just giving you a kick or a punch or running. And when these kids get on top of you, it's like you have an alligator on you. I don't know.

So there is a putt, but it's hard to find where that place is. I remember I reached out to a- What do you mean? A martial arts place? I could find you that. A real good one. Oh, I could find you that. I could find you that.

Jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll show you where I live. I'm sure there's a place near you. No, listen. I'm sure within a drive, within a normal drive, there's a good place near you. Within an hour? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I guarantee you. 100%. I would love to do that. How far are you from the city? Oh, good. I don't want anything to do with the city. No, you don't have to go to the city. But how far are you?

I'm an hour. Oh, then 1,000%. There's somewhere near you that will be good. There's a lot of good places in New Jersey. There's plenty of good jiu-jitsu. Jiu-jitsu is so widespread now. Listen, it's a great thing to learn just for your mental health because it's exhausting

and it makes you feel good when you get out of there. You're relaxed. Well, not only that, it's part of a you know, years and years and years and years ago, whatever, we trained with these guys. There were green berets. i was a kid right but one of the most fascinating parts about it which i'll never forget which i think saved my

life one day was this one guy sensei romeo he would give these long he was a little guy but he has intense piercing eyes with these black freaking eyebrows, right? And he would talk about the true warrior knows how to avoid and use your mind before the physical. If you can avoid the physical and tear down your enemy with the mind to be able to escape. How are you going to do that? Well, check this out. Okay.

So I just remember him talking about if you know you're not gonna win a blah blah blah blah so cut to this is weird joe i'm in denver colorado with my dad all right now my dad's like in his 80s and i'm bringing him i bring him around a lot and you know i know he's gonna i know he's gonna him around a lot and I know he's going to be around a lot but I love having my dad around so my dad he's having a blast this one day and I meditate a lot do you? yeah meditate pray whatever what kind of meditation do you do?

just silence I'll sit today I walked along the river sat down and I ask whatever you want me to think whatever you want me to put I ask, whatever you want me to think, whatever you want me to put out there, what do you want me to do? And then I'm silent, and then whatever comes in,

that's what I do. I go on hikes. Did you learn how to do this, or did you just do it on your own? Did you learn a method, or did you just... I did it on my own. On my own. Sometimes I'll listen to like Indian flute music, Native American music.

But I've done this a long... It's helped me tremendously, moving time. Tremendously. So on this one particular day, I go to the gym, right? I'm working out in the gym. Don't ask me why. I was on the bench and I was the only one in there and I'm sitting there and I just started zoning out and Sensei Romeo, his whole speed, I'm going, why am I thinking

of him right now? This is weird. So as I'm thinking of him, he starts, I see that whole speech about you never know when you have to avoid him, when you attack him. It's more learning your, all this jazz, right? that night after the show the whole staff is like hey you want to go to we're all going to go out let's bring your dad out

it's my last night and they probably have room for one more drink because it's a late show so we go there we're in downtown Denver we have the whole table in the

there's a glass thing looking in the street I was sitting there in the, there's a glass thing looking in the street. I was sitting there in the bar, guys, to my right. I wonder if he's the setup. I don't know. He might have been the setup the more I think about it. I don't understand where this guy came and how he knew where I was. All of a sudden, this huge biker comes.

This huge biker comes. I mean, he's got the, he doesn't have brass knuckles, but he's got shit around his knuckles. So clearly he's ready to use them. He's about six foot something, and he sees me in the glass window, and he walks in, and he leans over. My father's right here he leans over my father and grabs me so I fucking outside right fucking now wait a minute wait a minute you don't know this guy at all no but now I right now I have no clue who this human being is right no fucking clue okay I said okay okay okay relax you ready cuz I was at the fucking show.

You disrespected my family outside. I'm going, what the fuck is this guy? But my biggest concern right now is not this guy. It's my dad having a heart attack. Because my dad will get up. He's a World War II vet. He don't give a shit. He's going to die.

That's my concern. I got to protect him. Now, the whole staff is like, hey, that. But the more they want to get involved, the angrier he got. So I was like, hey, hey, hey. You want to talk? We'll go outside and we'll talk. I don't know why I was so calm.

To this day, I don't know why I was so calm. To this day, I don't know why I was so calm. So I go outside the front door. I said, what's going on, man? He goes, you fucking disrespect my family. You're disrespecting my sister tonight. You never fucking. I said, okay, okay, I don't know what you're talking about. So you have to tell me what's going on here.

He goes, tonight, my sister passed out now it's coming to me i know exactly what happened he was in the he was in the audience with his with his sister and a bunch of people and during the show all i heard was crash and and everyone's like and i could not see and i went what everything everything all right everything all right what what happened what's going on I don't know if there was a fight whatever and they're like ah she's way she's drunk it was a woman on the floor I said she okay is she all right I don't know if she's spazzing I don't know the fuck's going on so they they lift her up and I realized she's just drunk

okay we're okay now now people are starting starting like, I said, oh man. Now I waited till they were long on their way out. And I start, and all I said was, she is not gonna have a good rest of the night. I go, this is just the beginning. I said, thank God she's okay, but this is just the beginning. And I go off on a whole, I go in a character of what her events are going to be, and she needs to pull over, and she's out of the way,

and the people are, and they're howling. Okay, so I'm crushing it now. So it all comes to me okay this is the situation and he goes my fucking sister and you disrespected I said I said okay sensei Romeo goes and I go like this I go okay I'm just gonna explain one thing to you and if you feel you still want to and dude I swear to god Joe I look to my right and I said

okay that's where I'm going to fall when he hits me because he's clearly going to hit me and that's a little sharp right there it's all bricks and I'm looking at my dad and now my job in my head I went I need to talk to him

as long as I can until at least police arrive so when he does hit me I have enough time to recover before he possibly kills me this is what's going on in my head and he goes he said

well he said, you know, disrespect my sister, blah sister blah blah so i said listen what is your name he goes john i said john okay if you remember tonight did the first thing i said is is she okay did i not ask about her health because you did you fucking did i said now when i realized she was okay did i make fun of her when we were walk us hold on now hold on now remember i waited till you started walking now what you need to understand is that whole crowd pays a lot of money for my attention. I go, now they're all staring at your sister. They're staring at you. They started saying things.

So now my job is to get that attention off you as you get her out into safety and then get it back on me. Now, I didn't say anything derogatory towards her. I didn't call her a stupid bitch or a drunk whore. All I said was, oh, man, her night is just beginning. It's going to go from here to here. And the more they left, it was back on me.

And this guy, on my kid's life's hope I die if I'm lying, started crying. His life's hope, I die if I'm lying, started crying. And he goes, could you talk to my wife and tell her I'm not going to jail tonight? Oh, Jesus. Swear to God. And I went, sure. He goes, no, man, it's cool that you just... Because he was planning on hitting you and then going to jail.

Fucking me up to go to jail because of his drunk. You almost called her a whore. I almost did, but I didn't. And now I'm on the line with a female who's going, I fucking take a line. You fucking disrespect. That's what she blah, blah, blah, blah. Is that what she's saying? Pretty much.

That's all I heard. That's all I heard. But because of whether it was the meditation, I truly believe it was the meditating or learning that experience of always check your surroundings. I still do it. I walk nonstop. I'm always looking at my surroundings, what my exit route is, if this person approaches me, how am I going to get out?

Nonstop. And that's through battle training. But I feel like I need it in my head. You're laughing at me. Battle training? Whatever the fuck you call it. You know what I mean. It's always good to talk to people rather than get in fights with them.

What's that? It's always good to talk to people rather than get in fights with them. But if you're- But that guy's extremely demanding. That's preposterous. But if you can't, in that scenario, if I didn't have the patience to talk to him and I was ready to fucking go down, I'm doomed. I would have gotten fucking murdered.

So you want to learn how to fight. I want to learn how to... Defend yourself. God forbid I can't talk out. And I can take care... I've been in brawls. There's nothing more... Brawls are not fun.

When you're hit from behind and next thing you know you're on the floor and you gotta fucking curl up and this jackass trying to kick in and you gotta hope you're you're you're moot it's all about panic you can't panic and once i was on the floor you know this guy's getting fucked up and this guy's it's i don't think i'd ever be in that position because I was young. But I think it's very important that everybody, like that should be a course in school. What the fuck are we learning about?

Ponce de Leon. And I didn't say anything about Ponce de Leon, fucker. Who gives a shit? How about we train them? We're going to train how to battle, how to be in a position where you're attacked, blah, blah, blah. Listen, most of that stuff is nonsense, which you really need to learn as a martial art. Most of that, like when someone comes at you, you grab them here and then you do this.

You don't train that. No. You're not going to remember that. No. You need to learn its concepts. But it's good for everybody because it keeps people from being assholes. When you really know how to fight, you're very rarely going to fight. You're very rarely an asshole.

And that's what I was saying. It's like once you learn it, I'm not going to be an asshole. I just know what I'm capable of. So why don't you do it? I'll fine you a school. If you can fine me one, I'll do it. I will 100% fine you a school. It's like I don't want to find a bullshit guy who's like, I want to find-

You're like, Jim, I'm telling you right now, this person's- No, no, no. I'll tell you where I live. Yeah. Don't worry. You already did. I'll find you a place. Here's the thing about jujitsu.

There's very few bullshit schools. You can't survive. People know whether or not it's real because jujitsu is one of the only martial arts where everybody spars with everybody. So you really know what a guy can do or what they can't do there's no questions you know like you know you have good days and bad days but the reality is like you know if your stuff is good because you actually spar you roll with people you try to strangle each other right and it's it's there's no room for fake jujitsu in this. There's a lot of fake martial arts.

Right. There's a whole website. There's a whole Instagram page called McDojo. And McDojo is... It was McDojo Life, right? McDojo Life is an Instagram page that's all dedicated to fake martial arts. And he's got fucking hundreds of videos of these people doing ridiculous shit that doesn't really work. Right. Because there's a lot of that out there.

And they practice on each other and the guy falls down and pretends to be hurt. But jiu-jitsu doesn't have that. Jiu-jitsu is, I mean, maybe there's a fake jiu-jitsu school out there somewhere, but I don't think so anymore. I think they've all been weeded out. Bro, when I first saw, what was it, the Gracie guys? They were fighting animals. Six foot nine. They were like, the minute they were on

you, there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, that's jiu-jitsu. If someone doesn't understand jiu-jitsu and they get in a fight with someone who does, they're fucked. You're fucked. Yeah, you're fucked. If a guy's good, he gets a clinch. People don't realize how vulnerable they really are unless they're in

an encounter with a trained martial artist most people just think they're badasses right you know they just think bro i got a fucking my mentality they all say that you know right she my car every guy says i'll fucking see red dude and then i don't give a fuck i don't care about myself i don't care about pain like okay you're a person first of all you're gonna get tired really quick stupid bro i took just for cardio reasons i i i went to this kick boxing guy years ago just for cardio and what was cool about him he's like you wanna because because you actually hit me because then i kind of like it because would you want to come and spar one day like you know we won't hate you i'm like i'd fucking love that only if we can hate you i don't want

to do the fake shit he goes yeah let's do it bro i think 30 seconds i was coughing up a lung i i couldn't i couldn't breathe after 30 seconds and i and i worked my way up to 45. But people don't realize how exhausting it is. How exhausting. Even just to fend. There was times when he would hurt me, and then I'd just have to cover up. And even that is so exhausting. Yeah. And we're done, and I'm going.

It's also learning how to breathe like you got to learn how to breathe while you're punching learn how to breathe while you're getting punched right so one of the things that nick diaz used to do to guys that would fuck them up was he would not even hit you that hard but he would hit you so many times you couldn't catch your breath oh because you were always like tense tense tense tense and then you like all of a sudden you're like oh my couldn't catch your breath. Because you were always like tense, tense, tense, tense. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh my God, I haven't breathed in like 40 seconds. You're just taking punches. I would love to do that. I'm ready, man.

I'm ready for it. Okay. I'm going to do that and live in the jungle just for a month now. Because you took me out of a penis hole. Yeah, you don't want to get your dick in the river. I don't want my dick in the river. Keep your dick out of the river. Very important.

Make people laugh. Go in the jungle dick keep your dick out of the river very important make people laugh go in the jungle keep my dick out of the river the thing the the river has fucking crocodiles that's what you really have to worry about those motherfuckers have been around ever for they're they're around when the dinosaurs were here they are still here yeah they are dinosaurs that's if you want to know what it was like living 100 million years ago, go see a crocodile. That's what they are. Even, you know, I spent a lot of time in Florida. You ever see a crane? Yeah. They look like pterodactyls.

Yeah. How about all the fucking alligators in Florida? Dude, they're everywhere. Everywhere. One of my favorite stories from Florida was this guy was in a car chase with the cops. He abandons his car on a bridge, jumps off the bridge into the water, and is immediately killed by alligators. Literally landed on a fucking alligator. Just like, and that's a wrap.

And they don't give a shit. They don't give a fuck. They have a tiny brain, size of a walnut. They just float around killing shit, eating things, eating a lot of people's dogs. They just float around killing shit, eating things, eating a lot of people's dogs. I thought that was like a real man show, too. Those animals that would go in. Swamp people?

Yeah. Oof. They jump and they say, oh, look at me, an alligator. And they jump in the water with the alligator. Bro, that's the guys you want going to war with. Those guys kill so many alligators. That was the thing that was shocking to me is how many alligators there are. When I lived in Florida, I lived in Gainesville when I was a kid. You lived in Gainesville?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. From age 11 to 13, I lived in Gainesville. Wow. And when we were there, they were endangered. Alligators were endangered. Really? Yeah, they had killed so many alligators. Previous to that like his alligator shoes were

the shit that was the thing like dudes want to be shit they would wear a pair of gators i remember at the pool hall like that was the thing that like the old timey guys would talk about i got dressed up i had my gators on like gators was like if you had a nice pair of alligator shoes like look at mike mike's got a pair of gators on look at that the leather pants and tiger this is very similar but um they were endangered like you couldn't hunt them now there's so many of them they did they have to kill them so like those swamp people that show one of the guys who was a professional alligator hunter he had a tag for 500 alligators like he could shoot 500 alligators so they had like a warehouse stacked up with alligator carcasses.

Think of that. This is nuts. That's nuts. That's nuts. And they weren't even putting a dent in those fucking things. There's so many of them. Right. I've been eyeing this place in Florida.

Oh, yeah? Yes. Eyeing it like this? Just like that. You circling? Like, how am I? Yeah, let me put this area. So you want to move to Florida

Is that what you're saying I would like to yeah Really What part Naples area And I'll tell you I love Captiva What is that

What's Captiva Southwest Oh it's a place I thought it was Captiva Yeah I thought it was a Natural sweetener

No Captiva Island Captiva Sanibel I love Southwest Florida Oh okay I don't like the hoopla On the east side

The east side's the hoopla? Yeah What's the east side? Miami Fort Lauderdale West Palm Beach Okay It's too northeast for me

Right The more I You know I grew up New York Manhattan The more Like the minute I went to Jersey

I was like I got a couple acres. I'm back in the neighborhood. Chirp, chirp, chirp. Yes. Yeah. Dude, the first time I went out there, you ever hear a fox call in the middle of the night?

No. What's it sound like? It's like, ah! It's, it's, ah! Ah! I thought, I swear to God, I thought a child was being tortured. And I got on the phone with the police. I swear to God.

They're like, did you just move around here, buddy? Yeah, and within, but what threw me off was, within a minute, I'm like, wait a minute. How'd they drag that kid from there to like 100 yards in three seconds? Maybe it's not a, maybe it's not, that screech owls? Oh, wow. Yeah, they're wild's not... That screech owls? Oh, wow. Yeah, they're wild. Yeah. Screech owls. So anyway, I don't even know what the hell it's talking about. Wait, you got something, Jamie?

I don't hear shit. I don't either. It is. There it is. Whoa. Can you imagine three in the morning? Let me hear that. Three in the morning.

Whoa, that sounds like a werewolf. That's like American Werewolf in London. And my woods, everything echoes. Can you imagine? That's a crazy sound. The sound, the call is usually ignored unless answered by the fox's, what does it say? Fox's mate. I will never forget hearing that.

Now that's... That sounds like a kid screaming. I thought it was a kid screaming! And I called us... Oh, look at their teeth! Wow, that's the sound they make when they're fighting. Look at their fucking teeth! Look how long their mouths are. They're so cute. They're my favorite little animals.

There's a fox that lives near my house. They're so cute. They're all over near my house. They're very playful, too. They'll fuck around with people. Did you ever see the movie Grizzly Man? Oh, yeah. Yeah, great movie.

Remember that wild fox became his buddy yes yeah that was very cool yeah it's like he had a real relationship with that fox the fox was playful with him the ending really annoyed me why did it annoy you because i was like the sick part of me i wanted to see it i wanted to hear it Oh yeah I'm like come on Yeah they apparently Deleted the sound Werner Herzog Deleted the recording Had the lady delete the recording

Because they were worried That it was going to get On the internet And then someone faked it There's like a fake recording Someone said there's fake And that's what bothered me too Yeah it's fake

He clearly In my opinion Was a mushroom tripper Because when he That scene When after the bear shits and he's pays like shoes this was just as he came in of her back yeah this was his side her oh come now it's it's out here it's the main he's crying for a worm like what happened this kid behind a shed

When he was like Eight years old Something happened He was very unhealthy Something happened But yeah He wanted to That guy wanted to die

I think so I think that was Suicide by bear Because he knew Enough about bears To know that you're Not supposed to go there He went

He was staying there When the bears Were supposed to be In hibernation Which is when The most dangerous bears Are out Because they're starving Yeah They're starving And he was around These bears He was staying there when the bears were supposed to be in hibernation, which is when the most dangerous bears are out. They're starving.

Because they're starving. Yeah. They're starving. And he was around these bears while they were starving. And he was in, you know, within like fucking 30 yards of them talking to them. I don't know. I think, you know, sometimes people think now they're, listen, I've had experiences where I think now the animal and I are connecting. And so you, he may have like, our souls definitely connect.

And we are. Yeah, but that shit is in your head, man. You can connect with a little fox. You can connect with that little fox. And that's probably why he was so confused, because he did connect with that little fox. Think of dudes with lions and all that. I almost got myself killed. I was in Corpus Christi years ago.

I just ran into this guy again years ago. Me and my wife go there. He comes to show. He's like, I raise big cats. I got fuckers missing fingers and teeth. And everyone's like, no, people sleep over his house. It's a big thing. Was it Tiger King?

Did you meet Tiger King? No. Are you sure? I never Did you meet Tiger King? No. Are you sure? I never watched that show. What? No. I don't watch TV, man. I watch TV, movies, none of that.

Why did you not watch Tiger King, though? It's no appeal for me. Just hearing the way people talk. It's amazing. I thought it was a great distraction when COVID came out. It was. But to me, I thought it was well planned. I watched it again recently. I haven't watched it. I forgot how amazing it was a great distraction when COVID came out. It was. But to me, I thought it was well-planned. I watched it again recently.

I haven't watched it. I forgot how amazing it was. I'm sure it was. It's amazing. I'm sure it is. It's amazing. I'm sure it is. I'm trying to talk you into it.

It's like Grizzly Man, but six hours long. I'm sure it's the greatest. Jamie, tell him. Pretty good. You're a communist. Fuck is pretty good. It's amazing. Everything's amazing.

It's amazing. All those people that have those cats are all out of their fucking minds. But that's what I'm saying. You reach a point where, no, the cat loves him. You see videos where the guy goes and a lion comes and he hugs him. He's in a wild. Yeah. Hey, that guy's crazy.

They're not wise. It's not a wise thing. He's this close. I think that's what happened to the grizzly guy. He went, no, he really loved me. No, that's a different situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think that guy, first of all, I think he was a societal outcast.

Yes. first of all i think he was a societal outcast i think he he got some weird sort of power and satisfaction by pretending that he's out there protecting those animals because that's one of the things that he would say right he's like i'm out here protecting them where's the government where are you park rangers you motherfuckers remember when he goes on that crazy rant for screaming yeah and if it weren't for me, Sally and Sherry. And Coco would all be dead. Yeah, but meanwhile, these animals are ruthless. They kill each other.

That was the other thing that he found. He found they were eating cubs, and he still stuck around. Remember? He found a paw of one of them. Right. Yeah, they'll eat cubs. The males in particular will eat their own cubs. Those cubs had their own. Those bears had their own cubs. Those cubs out there, right?

Those bears out there, their own little picnic. They don't give a fuck, man. You want to eat them? There was a thing that Werner Herzog said that he saw something that I didn't see. I look in their eyes. I see indifference and ruthless nature. Like what you said. Yeah, that's what they are.

You made the eyes. Do the eyes. Like this. They're killing machines. I mean, they're beautiful and amazing, and I'm glad they're alive there's like this they're killing machines i mean they're beautiful and amazing and i'm glad they're alive i'm glad they're a thing i don't want grizzly bears to go extinct but you can't people want to pretend that they live in some fucking lion king movie you know like the nature is not nature is just things eating things that's it like that remember the the fox that he was in love with? Remember it got torn apart by wolves?

That's right. Animals were the only... I don't know what we are, but until we showed up everything just ate one another. And then we showed up and I don't know we got eaten or we ate.

We got eaten, for sure. We got eaten until we didn't. People still get eaten. Africa, India. So I never understood, like, what are we? A friend of mine is a professional hunter, and his name is Jim Shockey, and he got hired to go to, I want to say it's Tanzania? Yeah.

Maybe Tanzania or Zimbabwe. I forget which river system it was at. And they had man-eating crocodiles there. And they needed him to help. And he said everyone in the town was missing a hand. People were like chunks taken out of their legs. Because there were so many crocodiles. And while he was there, one of the women in the village got taken by a crocodile and dragged into the river.

And so he hunted them and killed them for them, for these people. Yeah. It's wild shit, dude. It is wild. That's the real world. We just created shelters and cities, and it protects us from those things.

But then once we're protected, then we start getting delusional and think that somehow or another we're separate from the food chain. But we're not. We're not. We're not. We're not.

You know, we're just aware. We're aware of things. we could take in variables and we have emotions that other animals just don't possess weird emotions you know i think about that too but i'm not sure maybe they do have emotions and we're unaware of them animals have emotions for sure, but domestic animals are the ones that have the most tangible emotions. Like my dog is very emotional. He's emotional with me. He gets so happy when he sees me, whines and whimpers and kisses me. He's a love machine. He's all filled with love, but he's also very protected.

He's super loved. He has food every day. He's been with me since he was a little baby. And so he's always been in this loving environment with my daughters and everyone. All the people that come over to my house love him. Everybody loves him. Right? So, of course, he's like that.

But if you're around feral dogs, feral dogs are dangerous because no one's taking care of them. So they're dangerous, just like dangerous people. People. People that have been abused. People that have been abused. People that have had to grow up in horrible crime-ridden environments they're dangerous and it's amazing if you change the environment it all changes yeah it all changes i know that by fact but dangerous people the programming is really difficult to shake like if you grow up dangerous,

it's very hard for dangerous people to become non-dangerous, especially if they've been through the prison system. That's even more difficult, right? I have experience of people from the prison experience, not dangerous people, but they ended up there. And it really was because of their environment. And then when they got out, I was like,

okay, do we, is there still a good soul here? Right. Is this fixable? Are they far worse than they were before they went? Are they far worse? Right Is this fixable Are they far worse Than they were before they went

Or they were worse Yeah And I tell you It worked out for the better Thank God But I knew a dude Who worked out

The worst way possible He went away When we were kids I used to do martial arts with him When I was like 15, 16 And then he went away He was a little older than me

He went away And came out When I was like 20 16 and then he went away he was a little older than me he went away and came out when i was like 20 20 or 21 and he was first of all he was jacked he came out jacked and like just hard and mean he went in for drug selling drugs went away for a couple years and uh came out and just was a fucking hardened criminal. And then got arrested while I knew him. He said he didn't do it. But there was a crime that somehow or another he was connected to. He was either connected to the crime or he knew someone who was connected to a crime. Of a guy who was beaten to death with a hammer.

And the guy was chopped up. They cut his hands off. All of his bones were broken and apparently they had kept him alive and conscious by injecting him with cocaine while they were torturing him so they were torturing this guy and then injecting him with cocaine when he would black out from the pain dude heavy heavy heavy shit that's guy. That's a grudge. Yeah, this guy that I knew, he's dead now. But this guy that I knew, he got arrested for that while I knew him. And I was like, wow.

Yeah, that's a grudge. That's a hard grudge. And I don't think he was, I don't think they booked him for it. I think they brought him in for questioning. I don't remember exactly, but I remember like, wait, wait, wait, wait wait you had something to do with that and he's like no no i didn't know nothing to do with that i'm like okay but you never know guess who they didn't arrest me yeah guess who definitely didn't have something to do with it me yeah but he he came out way dangerous and uh he was a one of my sparring partners and when we were spar it was a fight

there was no sparring it was a fight to the death wow it's great he was crazy wow now he would just come at you yeah my scenario didn't turn out like that it came out really good took a while yeah took a long while but it turned out really good look some guys they they realize when they're in jail they never want to be in there again. They realize because it's so horrible, they never want to be in there again. But the thing is, like, how do you get someone who's on the wrong road, they're a bad person,

and what does jail do to them to make them a good person? Not a lot. There's not a lot of emphasis in that. Nope. And, again, a lot of times, it's the environment you grew up in. When is your gig? Do you have a gig tonight?

Yeah, I got a gig tonight. Where at? In two minutes. It's four o'clock already. Where's your gig? Yeah, we did three hours, bro. Damn. I know.

Time flies in here. Where are you at tonight? You don't even know. You still don't know. Nutty Brown. The Nutty Brown. Okay. What time's your show?

Six. Oh, Jesus. Let's wrap this up. You got to eat. Six o'clock. Jim Brewer, you're the fucking man. Nutty Brown. The Nutty Brown. Okay. What time's your show? Six. Oh, Jesus. Let's wrap this up. We've got to eat. Six o'clock. Jim Brewer, you're the fucking man. I love you. It's always great to see you, my friend.

I love seeing you, too. So awesome. So excited for you. I'm happy you're doing well. Doing good. I'm happy you're happy. Torn, life's beautiful. It's always great to see you, man.

You, too. Tell people your Instagram, social media. JimBrewer.com. There you go. And Facebook and Instagram. It's all. JimBrewer.com. There you go. And Facebook and Instagram. It's all. It's all connected. All connected.

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