The Joe Rogan Experience - #1622 - Marcus Luttrell

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

Marcus Luttrell is a retired Navy SEAL and recipient of the Navy Cross and Purple Heart. He is the author of "Lone Survivor", the basis for the 2013 film, and host of the Team Never Quit podcast.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day marcus what's up how are you great thanks for coming man one year to the date i think we were supposed to do this last year right when the quarantine hit Right It was kind of good Because it was April 1st That I called Yeah I remember because Melanie was yelling at me She's like If you call Joe and tell him

We're not going to be able to make it out there We're not going to be able to make it out there I was like I was putting it off Putting it off I was like bro I'll get out there And then they did the lockdown

So almost to the day It was spicy a year ago No one knew what was happening Crazy right It was a little weird It was Now it's like Nobody's worried anymore It was spicy a year ago. No one knew what was happening. Crazy, right? It was a little weird. It was. Now it's like, nobody's worried anymore.

We learn fast, our people. They pick stuff up quick. I mean, when we suffer together, then there will always be those that are trying to figure out ways to get us back to where we're supposed to be. And that just took some time. Yeah. Well, it seems like Texas did a much better job of relaxing once the pandemic hit where people just, you know, for some folks, it's very dangerous. But it seemed like Texas did a much better job of just going like, wait a minute. Why is everybody freaking out over this?

Yeah. We can open things up. Big place, too. Yeah. I think that has a lot to do with it because in the outlying towns and there's a lot of things that got shut down when there's some things aren't like money never got shut down so that's everything that people still had to go out and they they talk about that herd uh immunity because what the families there's a bunch of with them you get sick locked down get the antibodies but the more spread out in some of the towns they didn't even get it right and then in the big cities that would show up but then just kind of common sense that whole we're going to get through this and always look

for the better the better day i mean you can sit there and become a victim of being a victim and fear like i'm so scared to go out because it might be out there well yeah of course it is everything's out there that's what a lot of people are like in la.A. In L.A., there's a tangible feel. You can feel it. Yeah, it's in the air. It's a real thing. It's real fear. You know, at the fights, when you're standing there, you can feel that. You can feel the presence of death when it shows up.

Everything knows if something's badder than it was just walked in the room. At the fights, you can feel that when they walk in. It's pretty cool. No, you can. That's the one energy that, like, right now we've been doing fights with no audience. It's real weird. I remember I texted you. I was like, how is that?

It's wild. If you want to go to one, there's one this weekend in Vegas. It's the heavyweight championships, Stipe Miocic versus Francis Ngannou. And it's probably one of the last ones we do without an audience. It's pretty fucking wild. What are the fighters saying? Some of them love it. It's probably one of the last ones we do without an audience. It's pretty fucking wild. What are the fighters saying? Some of them love it. It's less distractions.

It's quicker for them to get into the Octagon. Once they arrive there, they just warm up, and then they go in there. They don't have to get to the arena early in the day and stay there all day. It's a different vibe, but it's great like you know what i compare it to the difference between a concert where you're like at a filled arena with a rock band electric guitars versus a small acoustic show yeah that's kind of the difference like um out behind the schoolhouse fighting as opposed to yeah you know what i mean because the anticipation of it once that punch goes if not a lot of people are looking it's not that's the hardest part about being a fighter i would imagine everyone's watching you do it for some folks they like it though some folks

perform better when people are watching that's what makes them special yeah they want to hear the roar of the crowd and some guys would rather just stay calm and just focus on the task at hand and not have any distractions so what is that what separates fighters like that it's interesting it's like it's not whether or not they're good. No. There's great fighters that like both things. There's great fighters that love the roar of the crowd, and there's great fighters that they don't, they're like, I don't give a fuck. I don't need a crowd. I just, let's go in a room. I don't give a fuck.

So a brawler as opposed to somebody who's been trained to fight. I don't even think it's that. Are those two different things? Yeah. They are, right? Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. A brawler versus someone who's been trained to fight.

The difference is like some people just love to fight, and they don't even know how to do it yeah but they're good yeah whatever reason man they can get it on and then there's some people who train to fight and they fight like they've been trained yeah it's amazing to see the difference yeah well i think it's um bold people wild people they tend to do well especially if they're fighting against someone who's not technical who's not smart but there's people that are bold but they temper it you know and those people learn how to control it and those are the most dangerous ones fortune favors the bold right yeah but like guys like john jones is a perfect example because he's very bold and wild but he's

also super smart and technical like he tempers it he takes his wildness and then he tempers it and that's one of the things that makes him the greatest of all time is because he's he's also super smart and technical. He tempers it. He takes his wildness, and then he tempers it, and that's one of the things that makes him the greatest of all time is because he's figured out how to take all the wildness. When he fought Shogun, he was 22 years old. He was fighting for the title. He opens up the fight with a flying knee on a legend. I mean, nobody does that. That's a wild move to do for an opening move.

Have you talked to him about that? I was wondering. I was like, so what happened? That mid-moment where you're just like, I'm going to give it for an opening move have you talked to him about that i was wondering so what happened that minimum he's just like i'm gonna give it everything i got he just goes with the feeling he just feels it and just goes you know it's a i've enjoyed watching him fight in his career too especially when everyone takes a turn in some direction i think he learned more from getting it taken away yeah maybe yeah i think he did because he realized like these poor choices he's making outside of the octagon, outside of his career, they could ruin everything.

I mean, he has this insane opportunity. I mean, he had a contract with Nike that went away. I mean, he had all these great things that went away. They took his title away. He was gone for a while. He couldn't compete for a while. And then he came back and then reestablished himself as who he is. That's the greatest part about this country, too, man. Forgive man forgive yeah that's a big thing that's missing today right with all this cancel culture bullshit

and some girl got just got canceled for some fucking tweet she made when she was 17 like now she's 27 she's a an editor at vogue or something like that is that what it is like well come on man 17 you're a fucking kid you don't know what you're doing i've been off the offline for a little while is the cancel good okay yeah i'm just checking back in um is there is that a group is there a leader who pushes i don't i don't know is that a bad question no it's perfect question i mean i don't know you really don't know that's why i don't that's what i'm asking i'm like who, who runs that? Stay ignorant. Okay. Keep away from it. All right.

No, it's just people are being bullies. And you know what it is? It's like political correctness. Once it gets established that there's things that people want you to say and don't want you to say, then there's people that are going to be bullies. That when someone steps out of the line or when someone says something that's questionable, they're going to try to attack them. What it really is is a bunch of really shitty human beings

that just want an excuse to go after someone. And they want to pretend they're doing it because they're morally outraged. But really, they're just shitty human beings without any empathy and without any forgiveness. That's what a lot of it is. And they find an opportunity to attack someone. And then there's also a lot of people that are bored.

They don't have anything to do during this pandemic. And they're also, they have mental health problems because they've been locked up inside their house. And they're losing their job and they're losing their career. And then they just attack people. It's a lot of what it is. It's just, social media shows some of the worst aspects of human beings. Well, it's the collective consciousness of everybody, right? Yeah.

If you see it on there, someone's thinking's thinking it yeah and in a way that the cancel culture makes you earn what you said if you said it I mean it's got to be both ways you can be bullies because we know those you're gonna I grew up around them I'm sure if you're a fighter like I know you are I had to do the same thing it was for a reason yeah those of us who train hard enough we get into the point where you kind of now it's just i'm designed to train people from myself right right cancel culture it's the people asking about my reputation i was like well i earned mine i mean that's just how it is so when i guess it's

making everybody atone for what they've been saying. There's that, yeah, but there's also the lack of forgiveness. Well, that's the internet. Atoning you for what you're saying is fine, and I think we should all agree when we've made mistakes to recognize those mistakes and to also recognize that you're evolving. When you're talking about someone, especially that girl who's 17, Jesus Christ, thank God there wasn't social media when I was 17. Yeah, that's unbelievable they would do that to her because i mean that says you can't

grow exactly and we change probably what every nine years ten years maybe after we go through a cycle and what that was kind of baffling to me when they would bring something up that they did from high school was like you drank beer in high school yeah didn't everybody else i thought that was the point and then you're like well you know i grew i learned and then now it's it's okay to change i think you're supposed to i think it's also and there's an what social media is too it's a new tool and some people are abusing it they don't know how to use it correctly and there's no real established cultural rules as to how to use it correctly and how you know and and and how to call people out when they're using it.

They're being really shitty with it. Absolutely. It's growing like a family. It kind of starts out and everyone... When you plug into that thing, it's like plugging into a virtual game. So how good are you in that game? Because they'll come at you from every angle. You can also turn the game off and step away from it.

Those people who get nasty text messages or threads about, man, that could be somebody in a completely different – hell, they could be dead, for all you know. Some people keep up with their social media threads from years ago, and they'll open that back up and read it and get pissed about it. I'm like, why would you even say that? Exactly. Theoretically, it should probably erase every day

because you start a new day every day. If you're dragging that old stuff in there, you're just going to keep being upset about it. That's a good point. But they want to define you by things you said 10 years ago. That's the idea behind it, I guess. It's going to be tough. It's fucking stupid. It's stupid.

It's just the problem is it's still written down. So it still looks like you just said it. Yeah, of course. No, that's my point. Yeah. Look what he says. Like, no, man, that's way past that. Yeah.

If someone remembers something you said in high school you remember call that girl a cunt like ah did i i was drinking i don't remember right but if it's written down somewhere it's almost like you said it yesterday right yeah not true true statement how do you get past that one right i mean that's where you it's a good question like i apologize for that back in the day and a good question how do we get apologize for that back in the day. That's a good question. How do we get past that? That's the problem with things being documented. You don't accept a person for who they are now.

You want to pretend that they are who they were when they were 15 or whatever. Sure. Well, that's when you're not supposed to judge somebody, really, kind of on a lot of stuff. Life's hard. Everyone's reality is their own. It's perfect when you're by yourself, right? When you wake up in the morning, perfect reality. Me too.

I get up, look in the mirror, everything's good. Yeah. As soon as you walk out and run into somebody else's reality, whatever, they're swinging. If you ain't ready for it. It's true. I mean, it'll hit you. Yeah.

And you put yourself in positions to deal with different realities. And a lot of times people think it's, oh, look, these guys, they're doing this, they're tough. You go in and you're not're not ready for that. It's not saying you can't be ready for it, but training is, is everything. Yeah. Every emotion that you have that you're born with is raw. You spend your entire life training each one of them. And I don't care how old you are. If you get into a situation for the first time, you'll always react like a child because you just hadn't been trained in that kind of environment for that emotion love hate rage truth love all that stuff yeah i think that's one of the things that i think is very important for people too is to do new things so they experience the feeling of being

a beginner again isn't that great yeah i love it walking in the gym as a white belt in that new class right and i know enough to where i should perform but I don't want to get my ass kicked. Yeah. That's the scariest thing, I think, for people in the martial science and jiu-jitsu. They don't want to go in there and think the minute you walk in there that it's like an octagon. You're just going to get your ass handed to you. They don't realize that it's, no, just show up, and then we'll start from what you don't know. Yeah, they're going to treat you like a beginner, and they're going to be kind to you.

That's why they're called teeth. I mean, the good ones, you'll get hooked like that. Yeah, it's just a matter of having the courage to be a beginner, and that's where a lot of people, they just don't know how to humble themselves like that. Ego. Yeah, ego. That's one of the ones you've got to get past. Sure.

Pride. The seven virtues and the seven sins, right? Yeah. Those two things run together. That's why if you hook up with a girl who runs on the same sin you do and likes to exploit it, it's going to be one hell of a ride. Always true. If you marry your opposite, your kids will probably be perfect. Yeah.

Right? They'll be a splice. Right, right. A blend. Yeah, you'll have both teachers, too. Yeah. But if you kind of one train, one party, whoo. Yeah, yeah.

My wife is nothing like me. Thank God. No, absolutely. 100% me, too. That's, my wife is nothing like me. No, absolutely. That's how it works, right? That's how it works. I don't want to marry someone like me. That's crazy.

They wouldn't want to marry someone like me. Exactly. You have to be that opposite. Marriage is funny, the stuff that you figure out going through it, because you figure out the differences. I never knew that we could be sitting somewhere and listening to somebody talk and what we hear the same sentence but what they interpret what we interpret are two different things yeah you know what i'm talking about like you and i could be having a conversation and everyone understand it but we're talking about something different yeah and when i figured that out i was talking to the wife one day we're at the vet and

there was a pamphlet on there had some babies and some puppies and it said protect them from danger protect them for life i was kind of in a grumpy mood anyway i was like hey what does that mean to you she's like just what it says protect them from danger protect them for life i was like right but eventually if i always protect them from danger i'll always have to protect them for their life There's got to be a transition to when you kind of turn it around and you're pushing them back out to earn their spot. And then Melanie and I were getting in some arguments about something, and I realized if it goes past a couple of different conversations, if we're saying the same thing, just differently.

Right. And I'll just back up, and I kind of stop talking just to let her calm down. But it's the communication. I'd say, our relationship's like the Weather Channel, constant updates. Tell me what you're thinking. Guys, we're stuck in the same path. For whatever reason, they shift off of it. That's kind of the Lord's way of saying I'm teaching you something.

I don't think you and I are ever going to understand how a woman feels. There's no way. I can't imagine. I guess. The universe is awful in its infinite wisdom designed it that way. There's no way i can't imagine yeah i guess whatever universe is awful in its infinite wisdom designed it that way there's no way you can you can guess but that's what it is it's a lot of guesswork or when when we're not great yeah with guys like us we train for everything right i mean train to see it and and when it when it walks in to deal with it yeah if need be and she'll walk

in sometimes and i don't even know what i'm like what yeah they're coming at things from a totally different angle yeah but you know i mean they're making all the people inside their bodies imagine that just just imagine being a person who makes human beings in your body isn't that amazing it's crazy so the the reason our muscles on the outside of our fat is because we take pain on the outside. Like if you see a woman, reverse us, their muscles are on the inside of their fat. If a woman's had nine babies, she's a UFC champion. I mean, she could take a beat down, right?

Right, the amount of punishment. No, I mean, I watched my wife give birth to our kids, and I was like, honey, you're the toughest thing I've ever seen. You know back in the day when they split, you know, man and woman standing for the first time, and God's like, which one of y'all want to have to go through this? I'm going to show you what it's like. The dude was like, I'll be outside working in the garden, man. I'll take care of everything. There's no way I'm doing that.

Yeah, if a baby came through your dick and made your dick explode and they had to sew it back up every time, there'd be four people on the planet. Bro, after a bunch of surgeries, I had to take Vicodin, and man, that stuff would stop you. I'd feel like your pecs. A Volkswagen out the backside. And just going through that, I was crying. Yeah, the Vicodin, all that stuff, the painkillers and the constipation, man. That's a weird one, right? It's like a joke to make sure you don't stay on it that long, I think.

That joke doesn't work. It teaches you a lesson. Like, yeah, a couple lessons. It teaches you a lesson, but some people didn't get that lesson. I think it ranges for everybody. I mean, I had a bunch of surgeries, so I never touched anything before I got in. I wasn't allowed to. So it's comical going through some of that stuff. What is it like to have a movie about one of the worst experiences of your life?

Yes. Thank you for asking it like that. No one ever has. It's an honor to do that, to be a part of that. And it's funny because people are like, hey, they made a movie and books and it was great. I was like, man, that's about me getting my ass whipped. As a fighter and a warrior,

those are usually the stories you don't want out. So I'm in the loss column. I carry a lot of weight, promises i never forget it so i'll walk around i always remind myself i could run into somebody who knows or loved one of them or one of their family members so i'll always carry myself a certain way i have to that was the deal i made to get me off the mountain people ask me who my heroes are everybody who had to come fetch me out of hell i was in there pretty deep and um the way that lined out it's a great story if you want to hear i mean the whole process i would love to hear it it's funny on the way up here i was like man how's this interview gonna go and i was watching dope joe dirt last night i was like let's do it like that you want to start from

the beginning bro i'll tell you some stuff you can't believe you said let's start off with whiskey yeah as soon as you said that i'm like this is gonna go great it is yeah i only drink whiskey with my friends and you know the reason we say that is because the things that come out when you drink whiskey yeah so i've been looking forward to this we've been friends for a while i thought we should have a good time with it 100 yeah you know i watched the movie again last night i watched it yesterday just to prepare myself and uh i haven't seen it i never watched it all the way through. I know the director's cut. You know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, no. Yeah. I can imagine. It was something. To back it up to the book and how that all happened, or you back it up to the military, wherever you want to start, we can go all different directions with it,

but I was in the hospital. So when I got back, I was in the hospital for a while, and then they... I went back into the teams and started doing another workup for deployment, and then in between that, I was getting called to the boss's house. I've always been watched over on high ground. That was a blessing. Because so many of our guys died, and we had a fallen angel. When you have a fallen angel, you all always hear about it.

Like normally if SEALs die or something, it's on the bottom of the ticker, or only the family members hear. But we had a fallen angel, which means we have an aircraft going down. And I didn't know about it, actually, when the mission started, because everyone who knew about our operation was on the helicopter. That's why I was out there for so long. And I remember I was in, I just got out of the hospital and I was doing physical therapy with the team and they called me up

and they said, hey, we're going to declassify part of this operation and we're going to put it out into a book. And I was like, okay. I didn't know what that meant. Well, then they pulled me back up to the head sheds where we had this big meeting. And they assigned me the, I mean, I was privileged enough to have the best lawyers, the best writers. Like, I interviewed with everybody until I found a fit. Like I got to travel around.

Like when Patrick and I met, he came out to the house. My mother fell in love with him. So that's how we knew he was going to. And I had to live with him. So I would actually wake up on Monday morning and go into work, do a workup, fixing to deploy. And then on Fridays I'd have to fly to Cape Cod, and I would sit with Patrick

and tell him the story. And then Sunday night, I'd fly back. Patrick is the guy you wrote the book? Patrick Robinson, yeah. He's the guy you wrote the book? He was, yeah.

Because my name wasn't in the book. It wasn't supposed to be anything like that. I was still operational. And then I deployed back to Iraq in 06 and 07. I ripped Jocko out. I know you've met him.

Love Jocko. Great guy. And he loves you. Man, he was one of my bosses. He got so excited when he heard you were coming on. He texted me and we went back and forth. Hey, something. I called him.

He's just, what you see is what you get. He's a man. Have you ever noticed his face looks like it could perfectly fit in a Spartan helmet? Yes. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. He's always, I mean, when it comes to leadership. Break glass in case of war.

We have those guys. Yeah. They're real. I know you've met some of them. Yeah,. We have those guys. Yeah. They're real. I know you've met some of them. Yeah, we need those guys. They exist. They're terrifying. I'm so happy they're real.

Yeah, they're real. Yeah. And Jocko is my, he's the archetype. Yeah. Here's the reason why. He was over Chris and Michael and Mark. If you notice in the SEAL teams, all of our Medal of Honor guys are named Michael. Have you ever noticed that?

No. Yeah, those are called Mark Angels. They always get the Medal of Honor. You get a Mark and a Michael running together in the SEAL team, something bad is going to go down. So we always joke about that. But when the book came out, I was in Iraq. I remember the lawyers and everybody, they would write me emails,

and they're like, please don't die. And I was like, well, I'll try not to, thanks. Jesus Christ. So I got hurt in Iraq again. And when I got back, they positioned me out of the SEAL teams, and then they kind of rewrote that part, put my name in it, and my job was to go around and tell you about your boys and what they did and how hard they fought and they died.

And that was the greatest job it was the hardest job i ever had to do because i remember when they pulled me offline as an operator and the admiral was sitting there telling me like son you're going to do more for the seal teams than you ever did in combat and that was i thought that was kind of an insult i was like wait what do you mean right i was like do i need to work out harder do i need to he's like no this is what you need to do so i did that i traveled around and i told you guys and then the movie hollywood came calling so i got stationed to live there they actually sat me down and introduced me to all the directors

and we had to find the fit and then once pete and i linked up for the first time rest is kind of i mean peterberg yeah peterberg god damn he nailed it man i know you haven't seen it because you've seen the director's cut yeah yeah but uh he he fucking nailed it that guy's a hell of a director he you know it just there was no bullshit in that movie you know there's a certain amount of bullshit and i don't know if there's any bullshit in terms of like the reality of the experience versus the the film version of it but there was no uh no gloss to that film so the way we i'll talk about when i met pete for the first time so i got pulled up to la to interview all all of them i was traveling around

um just getting to meet all of everybody oliver stone i sat down in front of him i mean we they went through me through the guy i had i had lunch wow yeah it was pretty i remember meeting him because i wanted to he was a veteran right yeah and um i love that guy the lawyer that i got assigned to he was great alan schwartz is his name and and for those have you ever seen space balls yes okay the Schwartz in Spaceballs? Yeah. It's named after him. So he's Mel Brooks' attorney.

This is real. That's crazy. This is crazy. That was one of the coolest things. I got to meet him. And I was like, wait a minute, you're the Schwartz? He's like, yeah. So I got signed to him.

And then my literary agent was this guy named Ed Victor. He's since passed. But he was great because he was a British guy, tall, skinny, and he would wear the sweaters tied around his neck and the white and black wingtips, dressed to the nines, had that awesome accent. And he would tell me, he's like, Marcus, darling, I'm the seal in this world, in this environment. Just let me take care of this.

What do you say to me? How dare he? And I just kind of like, Roger that. Because if you're the resident expert or something something i'll always drop in right beside you so i was traveling around and i'd been in la for a couple days and i was supposed to get back to the base and they were like wait there's one more guy who wants to meet you his name is peter burke and i didn't register in my head i couldn't put the name to he's been around forever he's like he's down on the set uh filming a movie called hancock will smith and i was supposed to get on my plane but we went late and missed my flight he's like he's down on the set uh filming a movie called Hancock of Will Smith and I was

supposed to get on my plane but we went late and missed my flight he's like just go down there and see him and I was like all right so we drive down there and he's he's sitting in his chair and then there's a train scene so there's a huge train and Will's standing I got to meet him it's pretty cool and Pete walks up Peter Berg he's like hey let's take a walk I all right. And we sat down on this park bench overlooking the water. He's like, this is what I think of this. This is what I want to do. And he kind of shot me straight. He's like, before I say anything else, I want to show you a movie that I just filmed.

And I want you to watch it. So I got to go to the theater and watch this movie. And then the next day, it was his attention to detail. He focused on the stuff that you would normally miss which makes it kind of realistic and i was like okay it's yours i was like know this if you screw this up if you do anything to dishonor any of my friends i'll kill you and he didn't know what to do about that and i mean the look look on his face because i shook his hand and i had his hand and i was like okay here's the deal it's yours if you want it but if you

screw it up i'll have to you know no no yeah nothing personal for real and um right when that happened i mean he took it we we made him go to all of our tree he got the door was open for him because it was an assignment most everything else the books and the movies and everything and they they were shut down except for this one so when the Navy's got your back and the SEAL teams, man, that's how that works. So we sent him overseas. He had to go live with us. I mean, the guy went through some stuff.

He came back early and didn't tell me about it because some of the stuff he saw, and I was like, hey, it's real, right? It's real. And he's like, that's all I needed to see to change how I feel. I was like, okay, well, let's do this, man. And then it started. Oh, so he went overseas and experienced, what did he experience? They embedded him with a SEAL platoon.

Oh, Jesus. He got to see them guys and how they, it's a really cool story. I'll let him tell it because of what he got to see and what he got to do. And some of the guys called me from the deployment. They were like, hey, we put Pete through the ringer. I was like, good, because of what he was stepping into. And, I mean, to this day, we're still best buddies. I talked to his son yesterday. He comes over and we do, like, he teaches my kids some things and I teach his kids some things.

And it's just everywhere I go, I was always taught to make a friend over money, right, because that's the best cash you can have is a friend. And getting to live with him and experience that hollywood lifestyle was was amazing i remember showing up at his house the first day i was like man why does this place look so familiar he's like oj's house is right he lives in brentwood he's like oj's house is right there i was like oh yeah okay and then it just got crazy from there first time time he took me out. I mean, those are great stories. Wow. Peter's an interesting guy.

He's a director that you can tell when you watch his movies. Like, that motherfucker cares. Like, he's not just pumping out some homogenized, pasteurized product that he thinks that will sell well. There's a piece of him that gets into those movies you know what I'm saying? absolutely I would agree with that and I think once what happened when he had to film Lone

that we blanketed the set with team guys he had to live with us there's some of the guys would show up at his house in the middle of the night grab him out of bed spray him with bear mace, throw him some of the guys would show up at his house in the middle of the night, grab him out of bed, spray him with bear mace, throw him in the pool,

take all the liquor in his bar and leave. That's what he had to deal with. I mean, you've got buddies now in our community. You know what that's like. I mean, just show up and be like, hey, I'm going to take,

yeah, I love it. You need that. You need that. The people that don't understand. It's because we protect you like no one. I mean, we we're hard and everything but it's always out of yeah love right well there needs to be people like you out there and people that don't understand that there's people that are worried about all these different transgressions and microaggressions and all this the fucking all the bullshit in the world, you don't understand.

The only way you get to have the kind of freedom where you're concerned with microaggressions is if you have SEALs. That's the only way. That's the only way, if you have hard people. There's an old, what is it, a Winston Churchill? Who's the guy that made that quote about the reason why people sleep well at night is because hard men are out there? It's a famous quote, but it couldn't be more accurate. I think it's a Winston Churchill.

Willing to die if necessary, protecting the blanket of freedom that you sleep under. Yes. Standing on a wall. You know, there's that old expression that hard times make hard men. Hard men make easy times. Easy times make soft men. Soft men make hard men hard men make easy times easy times make soft men soft men make hard times right and there's this cycle and we are in the worst part of that cycle right now what the the hindus call the kali yuga and this this this this situation we're in now it's like we've had all these blanket

protections we've had all this softness and we've had people like you out there protecting us from the worst aspects of human nature. And then because of that, people get soft and uncomfortable. And then they look for all these weird reasons why people are evil and people are bad. They don't understand real evil. They don't get it. They don't, they've never experienced what you've experienced. And it's my belief that only people like you that have stared into the heart of evil, that have stared into the heart of darkness, that have been there, that have lost brothers and got as close to a human being, as close to you can to losing your own life and come back. You can tell people what the fuck is really going on when people are at their worst. We are, at our worst, we are territorial primates. We've always been this way.

At our best, we are brothers and lovers and family and comrades and we unite each other. At our worst, we're divisive and we're looking to diminish people and dismiss people at our best we're looking to build people up and we're looking to help people and these these lessons are they're they're so wide it's so it's so hard to gather up all the information to make a a good assessment of what it means to be a person. But one of the things, one of the lessons, one of the most important pieces of information, what it means to be a person is the people that have gone through the worst, and the worst is war.

The most dangerous thing down here is an undisciplined human mind. Yes. Period. Yes. And the only way you can know true happiness is if you know true pain and we do cycle through life if i mean that's why the history books are there it shows every one of those perpetual cycles i think there's four of them in order for someone who had to go through something so hard to obtain something so great to enjoy it then

you'd want to pass that down well that next gen will never understand it they just don't enjoy it then you'd want to pass that down well that next gen will never understand it they just don't and then that one cycle feeds the other until as as we transfer through time look at the atrocities we've done to each other yeah we are family you go back far enough there wasn't that many of us and just kind of branched out and we populated this place ever run across anybody we just automatically like them like hey man we're because you know you probably can like we're family yeah and then there's people that are opposite of your magnet like you could tell and when they come in swinging something it all depends on where they're from what they're going through and as we go through our life and we go through those hard times it's incumbent upon us to look back into

our hard times to understand what somebody at a certain age is going through age is rank can't get ahead of it can't get below. You can study something just like in school if you're a freshman, study some senior stuff, but you're still going to have to go through the class. Like with the millennials, they have the iPhone. They can touch a picture on that screen and it'll show up to the door. That sounds made up, right?

It just does. They have way too much information and not enough life experience. And that's kind of a good thing and a bad thing because life will teach that. Some people get consumed by certain things and go down certain rabbit holes and can't get out of it. It's always important to remember,

we have a saying in the family, don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff. Like, man, you can get wrapped up in some stuff that'll consume you. And if you're always wrapped up about it, that means you're not supposed to be getting all worked up about it. It's designed to keep you, like in a game game it's just to hold you in that one thing yeah while everyone

else keeps moving you got to figure it out yeah it's like a game of life imagine when you come in here you come in here dying the minute you walk you're delivered on your back butt naked you're dying so you actually learn how to live while you're dying down here. And in that are all the emotions that you're training. So before you came down here, imagine you wrote your story out. Would it all be good times? No, of course not. Man, you want challenges and everything in between. The only way, like I said, you can appreciate your hard times is when you've had the good ones.

The only way. That's it. We don't have bad ones. There's just nothing you've been trained for. Right. Yeah. That's my feeling about L.A. The weather's too good.

It is. It's so good. You've won the weather lottery. You don't understand. I grew up in Boston, and it's cold as fuck for five months out of the year. And if you don't – I appreciate sunny days. Like, people – one time I went hunting with one of my friends, Steve Rinella, and we went to Prince of Wales in Alaska, and it was raining every day, all day long. You're always wet. The sleeping bag's wet,

your clothes are wet, everything's wet. It's the rainiest place in North America, maybe on Earth. And when I came back home, I was in LA, and the sun was shining, and I took a hot shower, and it was just like, man, and I called him up. I go, dude, I have never been this happy. I've never been so happy just to experience sun just experience and i realized like the only reason i'm so happy is because i experienced rain for five six days in a row like you don't experience that feeling of like relief unless you've experienced the feeling of being under the gun of something, under the pressure of, under the feeling of never getting warm, always being cold, always shivering, always being soaked.

You don't appreciate it. And so in LA, everybody's like constantly, it's constantly sunny. They don't get it. Like you need cold weather. You need rain. You need all those things. We need to see everything. And then with human beings, they need sorrow. They need sadness. They need happiness. They need those things we need to we need to see everything and then with human beings they need sorrow they need sadness they need happiness they need anger they need enemies

they need lovers they need friends we need the whole thing to be able to figure it out there's lessons absolutely 100 and i was sitting down with one of the elders in the family the other day during the quarantine beautiful day we just sat on the front porch of the Rocketeers and joined it. And the next day it was storming. And I kind of looked over at him. I was like, did you order this up? He's like, well, you can't have a perfect day every day because somebody else won't have one.

So the grandmother loves the storms, the rain. I do too. I love it when the seasons change and the cold weather. And that's the best part about having them. And then you have the beach bunny. He's like, Mel's a beach bunny. And she loves the sunny weather. But if she loves me, then she has to love that part too so you you learn to appreciate each one of those for what they are because one thing has to feed the other yeah or you get seattle where

you i want to talk to people in seattle i'm like you got to get out man it rains every day it's too much this ain't good get out we do our all depressed. We do our cold weather training up there in the Puget Sound. That's where I do our cold weather diving. It's some of the hardest stuff I ever had to do. And then we would get a chance to go into Seattle. We'd catch the ferry and go into Seattle. And it was always raining. All the time.

It was always cold. It's beautiful out there, but it's always miserable. It's like when people are always unhappy. If you don't have some of the sun in your life, you kind of... But then again, those people make some of the most interesting music like look at Nirvana that came out of that pain it comes out of that that whole environment feeds itself yeah best music ever is when we were growing up in the 90s I mean that hip-hop came on then you had the grunge and it was kind of our all of our generations melding together mm-hmm I mean it just when I

look back at what we had to go, cause we're hybrids, we're a little bit of the old, a little bit of the new, we have no tech and then we got the tech. So Gen X, right? You sit right at the beginning of that, if I'm not mistaken. So as we made that transition over, I mean, look at the mistakes we made with the first camera phones and getting that tech. Back then you had to remember every phone number there wasn't the names and putting an alphabetical order for you and all that stuff like that so as when we see our kids with their tech i'm like well so maybe i should hold that back from them and i'm like well they got to have it but then i'm going to teach them a little bit of how to live off the land in

case they lose it so all that stuff is a tool as they progress through their age i'll hold on to something and then sometimes i'll give them give it to them and then see what they do with it i remember the first time i saw one of those 400 nintendo switches on the ground i was like what what what is this i was like who am i gonna get mad at the 45 year old who gave it to the kid who put it on the ground or the kid who didn't understand it when he got it yeah so i learned more from them than than i do you know from everybody else it's it's funny it's how you open yourself up it's almost like the mistakes have to be made so that people correct it's like there's there's no way to get through it smooth where the mistakes

aren't made the mistakes have to be made like all the dumb shit has to be done it's just no way you don't you don't just figure it out and just do the right thing every time and move through life like an enlightened being like you get you have to fuck up yeah well you'd be an asshole then yeah you'd be dr manhattan i'm talking like right someone who just gets it in hollywood they call them mistakes you get to redo them yes and the civilian world call them mistakes yeah so if you think about it like that with us in the SEAL teams you're if you're not if you're not trying to get away with something you ain't trying but the minute you get busted you fess up like oh yeah I sure and then you take your licks and then you're going about it that that's how they if you

try to perpetuate it or like where we're from if you don't know something be like man I don't know but I'll get back to you I'll go study that and I'll come back at you. Let me think about it. We're always taught to receive, reflect, respond. Receive, reflect, respond, right? Don't run to your death. There's plenty of time to get into something just to see what this chess game is. And you hear those phrases, those little phrases over life, and they mean something,

but they don't mean at that time you didn't get it right it's kind of like later in life right from zero to four you just have an opinion first 40 years of your life supposed to be in darkness man you're walking around trying to figure out what you're not and then when that kicks over you see things it's a switch i think like on your birthday and then you're like oh all right and then you have to see the other side of it like you run into yourself again. The only easy day was yesterday. It's gone.

Tomorrow, we don't have any idea if it's going to show up. You've got one day down here, man. You wake up, you give it everything you've got. Everything you've got. Everything you're going to need for your day is probably around you. The further you go away from it, the further you're going away from your day. Don't try to carry one of them suckers. They're too heavy. Let the day carry you.

Whatever you run into, man, run into it and give it all you got. Good, bad, or indifferent. That's not a thing. People made that word up just to make themselves feel better. It's how it is. And then, like with us, you see when you open yourself up in every avenue that we have, I know there's people in here that they say stuff,

and you're like, man, I understand that. I thought like that too at that time. I get it. But this is why I went stuff, and you're like, man, I understand that. I thought like that, too, at that time. I get it. But this is why I went through this, and it made me see this part. And the beautiful part is being able to acknowledge that and to talk about it. Not when we yell at the young. We're not yelling at them, but when you tell them something, they just close off. I'm like, oh, man, if you don't want to listen, then why are we even having a conversation?

Because there was just two of us down here. We talk about everything. Yeah. You know what I mean yeah exactly that's uh one of the the best aspects about podcasts especially when you add whiskey is that people will talk about everything yeah and then people are hearing this and it's in an intimate way they're hearing in their ears you know a lot of them are running right now listening on earbuds or they're driving their car on the way to work, they're hearing it in their ears. A lot of them are running right now, listening on earbuds, or they're driving in their car on the way to work, and they're listening to the speaker

by themselves, and they're a part of this conversation. You know what I'm saying? Isn't that cool? Yeah, it is cool. There are some great things about tech. There's been some great inventions. Air conditioning, tire, yoga pants, podcast. Electric cars.

There's a lot of shit that's cool. Listen, I'm a tech fan. I love tech. I just think you need to understand tissue. You need to understand cells and souls and bones. You need to understand that things are fragile. You need to understand that bones break

and your consciousness can be taken away from you. All those things are real. If you don't understand those, I you're walking through life like like a kid with a trust fund you don't you don't know how it was earned you don't know who you are you don't know why you're there like we all know that trust fund kids these like there's an expression that i've said before it's not always true but it's pretty true because it can be mitigated but show me the son of a great man who's also a great man it's very rare of course because it's hard because once your your dad's carved an easy path for you you you don't you don't become the same type of person like no

my father i'll always tell me he's not he wasn't my friend he's like i'm not your friend i'm your father and i never understood why he said that to me until i had kids and the reason being is because My father would always tell me he wasn't my friend. He's like, I'm not your friend, I'm your father. And I never understood why he said that to me until I had kids. And the reason being is because we do stupid things with our friends. I still do. I still have the same friends I've had since we were boys. And the reason I have them is because they possess a strength that I have as a weakness. So when we're together, I don't feel vulnerable.

But you take one of them away, then you kind of notice that it's gone. And my father would always tell me, he's like, I'm going to give you two things throughout this life. I'm going to give you discipline. And through discipline, you're going to gain respect. Respect for yourself and respect for other people. Only time you ever lose your respect is when you throw your discipline away. Period. You're the only one that can lose it. My shoes aren't here for you to fill,

but you can walk in them every now and again if you need it. And the reason I, I mean, I thought my father was the hardest man. You know, he would whip, man, it was like iron fist, right? My mother was a hippie and my father was a bit of an outlaw.

He was a chemical engineer, smartest man I ever met, but just, the only time I get out of line, like with my mother or kind of like talking back,

nothing bad, but it's a matriarchal family. Kind of the women run the show. So the only time I'd ever see him was when he'd tune me up for that. And then the hard lessons he learned on me

as I was growing up, he just did them on purpose because he could put the pressure on and then take it off. And then when I ran into it in life, when it won't come off, I was ready. Right.

So I say that to my kids now. I'm like, I'm not your damn friend. And it drives Melanie crazy. She's like, I'm not your damn friend. And it drives Melanie crazy. She's like, I'm your father, period. Don't ever forget that. I was like, there's somebody who's got to keep you in check to make sure that. It says it in the Bible. You ain't supposed to like your dad.

It says it. Does it? It does. What does it say? You're loved and beloved by your mother. Reason being is because there's probably four generations of men. I bet you loved your granddaddy. Right.

A lot like him. Definitely like your great-grandfather and you're probably the exact as your great-great-grandfather right four cycles the warrior the poet the guy that there's a i can't remember it off top of my head but your father you're the next version of him so he sees what's there and no matter how hard the training comes down and i would i'd be the first person to tell you my father was hard on me but my wife loves the way i turned out so i'm like well thanks pop you can't i mean that's why it just says that i mean and when you get older you kind of look back at after everything we had to go through like man if i had to go through that with him it's because he saw something to make and i'm sitting right here it can't be comfortable no

it's not it can't no it's not spare the right here. It can't be comfortable. No, it's not. It can't be. No, it's not. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Yes. I mean, that's just plain. There are things down here at a certain age you can't negotiate with them. That's why pain exists. Yeah.

That's why you got a butt with padding on it. Right? I mean, my father never hit me on that spot. It was everywhere else. But it depends on what you're raising. There are things down here that get sick things that never get sick there are things that when people i talk to vegetarians i have a lot of friends that are vegetarians and like why don't you eat just i was like well i'm there are things down here that are

predators that eat meat just like humans humans and animals kind of coexist together you can see yourself in nature there are huge men that just eat plants just like there are huge animals that eat just eat plants once you figure out are huge animals that just eat plants. Once you figure out kind of what your spirit is and how your body works, you can understand each other because there's nothing down here the same. Hell, everyone down here is as unique as your fingerprint. No one's the same color. No one's the same height. Everything is unique.

It's just we kind of want to put them into groups. And it's almost like a trick because you're trying to emulate all the people that you see that are successful or that you admire around you but you have to recognize that you are not them and even if you emulate them as much as you can, as good as you can, as well as you can as often as you can, you're still never going to be them. Why would you want to be? Why would you want to be? If you're

going to become them, why would you need them to exist? You think you want to be them because they're successful. You see someone who's doing really well you're like i want i wish i was that guy but then as time goes on you realize no no i'm i'm me and i just need to be my version of me where some young guy coming up looks at me and says i wish i was that guy and then he's going to realize it no i don't want to be him i want to be me and you can learn lessons from those people that are successful learn lessons from those people that have gone through the fire learn lessons from the people that have made mistakes and you know and learn from those mistakes and

this is this is how we progress we don't learn all our lessons from our own life experiences we learn a lot of them from watching other people fuck up and we learn a lot of them from watching other people succeed once you get good enough at lot of them from watching other people succeed. Once you get good enough at laughing at your mess-ups, they're not setbacks. They're kind of set-ups, right? Yeah. Because when you go it in, you're untrained.

I mean, if you like something, you just went in, you were good at it, then what's the point? Right. Well, that's the problem with really talented people. We see that in fighting. There's a lot of really, really talented people. They often fall short because they're so talented they don't want to work hard. And then the determined little wolves, there's some guys that don't,

maybe they don't have the best genetic tools or maybe they didn't have the best childhood or whatever it is, but they have determination and they figure out a way to become great. I tell them like, yeah, you did. You're telling me you're born in the worst place in this country in the hardest place and that means that's how powerful you are yeah like diamonds are forged through pressure yep over time when when the blade is on the mill and the sparks are flying and that thing's screaming you know it's going what are you doing to me

i'm sharpening you making a blade blade even when it's getting sharpened has no idea what's going on when i joined seal training that's what one of the instructors told me. You know what we do here? We're going to forge you into a blade. We're going to get you really hot, really cold, and beat the mess out of you. Then we're going to repeat it until we make something. Then when we send you in with the rest of our guys, each person around you is a stone.

They're designed to polish you, sharpen you, or dull you out. Yeah. You run around guys like us who are always sharp, then we sharpen each other. So to come in on us, like our hard days, we look forward to them now. Yeah. Because somebody has to go in there and carry that weight. And people are like, man, I can't believe you did that. I was like, well, obviously you didn't want to do it.

If you weren't willing to carry it, I will. That'll be my spot. I don't want to be anything like you, but I want to be good enough to hang out with you, though. You know what I mean? I love what you said, that some people will dull you out too absolutely that's true too and then that's something that some people need to understand is that whether you're you might be that person that's dulling out your friends yep you need to realize that too yeah and get your shit together yeah and maybe you have a friend that's doing that

to you and you're trying to carry them and if they don't want to keep going, you've got to recognize that they're taking away from your resources. It's tough for friends you've had over time. I've had to think about that one a lot, when they think they're dulling you. It's like, well, maybe you just got so sharp that they were a part of it that helped you get that sharp. Don't ever forget that. Yeah, sometimes they just can't keep up. When you relate to them, or they're past different. Yeah.

And when you come back into their life, you're back in that spot. Be every man's equal. Bar, ballroom, bedroom, board, all that stuff. So it's easy. That's the ego part. And that's why our friends are there to remind us. Yeah, and I think there's also a point of diminishing returns, too. Like how a point of diminishing returns too like how much harder do you want to get how much work do you want to get and how much do you want to be a good friend how much do you want to be a brother how much do you want to be

a husband a family member and you can't ask everybody to walk your path no it's yours yeah now they'll walk with you and then your friends are there when you go down that rabbit hole. They'll be like, I'll go down there with you. And then the deeper you go, someone will peel out, and that's all right,

because you're going to have to run into them on the way back up, and you just pick them back up. And we need them all, right? We need programmers, and we need SEALs. We need everybody. We need comedians,

and we need rock stars, and we need poets, and we need writers, and we need guys who work ferries and dig trenches, and we need rock stars we need poets and we need writers and we need guys who work ferries and dig trenches and we need everybody with this is this is a as a society where we're a weirdly balanced group of people and they're great yeah it's so great it's great it's great I mean the difference the the best part about when I was doing the speaking thing traveling around was who I'd run into I'm like man even know you existed and i had the best time with them

i mean just famously right yeah and we were two different worlds i mean we just are and um that's okay because it's what's different about you that i appreciate it's the uniqueness i mean i don't care what color your hair is what you do i mean, man, that's the part I'm gravitating towards. That's a good attitude. The problem is a lot of people, they're so insecure that anybody that's different from them is the enemy. Anybody that's different from them is in opposition of them. And that's not really the case. It's a trap.

It's a trap that your mind sets up. Sure. Your mind looks for familiarity. And it doesn't it doesn't all all i care about a person is are they nice i look i try to look at it and i know this is a very simplistic perspective but i like look at people in three groups morons assholes and people you can hang out with and in those three groups there's a lot of different folks. There's a giant spectrum of people that I can hang out with. I don't care if you're gay, straight, black, white, Asian, African.

I don't give a fuck if I can hang out with you, if you're cool, if we can talk. I can see your perspective. I see where you're coming from. I want to know who you are and how you got there. And then there's people that are just not smart, man, for whatever reason. Maybe they're not smart because they don't want to be smart, because they're scared of being smart.

Maybe they're morons because someone did them bad and they never recovered. There's a lot of aspects to what makes someone a moron. The same thing, what makes someone an asshole? Maybe they were abused. Maybe the system helped give them a bad hand of cards maybe they get dealt a fucking terrible neighborhood with terrible

relatives and terrible neighbors and terrible bullshit and they just they just didn't have the tools whether it's mental or spiritual or psychological to overcome and they're in this position where they're an asshole it doesn't mean that they're always going to be an asshole. They can recover. We can all recover. We can all move. If you're alive, if you're breathing, if you can do anything,

whether you can progress forward, you can get better. And if you can get better, then you can not be a moron, you can not be an asshole, and you can be someone that everybody can hang out with. That's a true statement i have people walk up to me and they're like hey you know this team guy so and so and i'm like yeah i know him like man he's an asshole like yeah he is he's mine though he's magnificent at it like you can't believe and a lot of that stuff like when it's

their style like you have to get past that to understand to appreciate what's burning inside of them right and it's a defensive mechanism yeah with you look at your vocabulary your mental prowess what you're capable of physically everything that you've trained for who you've met what each one of those have trained you for so there will be people younger than us that haven't been through this it'll go into a situation be like guy was biggest dick man just blow us any other with us when we walk in there i mean i automatically assume i'm the weakest dude and then i let everybody start talking and i'll find out who knows what they think they know and they don't know it who wants to be the badass and who really isn't yeah you know what i mean so

as we go through this that's the best part is taking off that black belt and putting the white one back on yeah and then you walk in there you're like okay you know let's see what's what and then as it progresses because they can only be an asshole up to a point to where they run into somebody like you know and they're like have you ever seen videos where white belts pretend or black belts all the time my favorite all the time yeah there's funny videos online where a black belt will show up at a school and pretend to be a white belt and start rolling with people and And then you could see the people get super confused when they're purple belts or brown belts and they start getting strangled. Pisses them off.

And it's actually the best teaching tool for, for, for those, for the purple belt, brown belt rank. Cause like, I just got my ass whipped by a white belt. It can happen.

It's a problem with brown belts. It's a problem with black belts. It's a problem with belts. It's a problem with that system. Yeah. I remember, uh, I was a brown belt and this dude choked me out he's a blue belt he got my back and he just got me he got me and i tapped he goes did you really just fucking tap i go yeah man you got me he was like holy shit i go it happens it happens man it's gonna happen to you keep going i got my ass turned inside out by a purple belt i just got back it's funny right

that's what I thought too it happened I mean so much so that I almost wound up back in it was great and he was so he couldn't believe he thought I'd given it to him

and I was like no you actually did good man listen some guys have a move man whether it's an arm bar or a choke or a fucking crucifix some guys have a move if you zig

when you should have zagged and they get to point b and then there's point c and d is tap like you might be in deep shit i don't give a fuck who you are and it happens perfect chest like they've been training this one move all week and the setup but you're not it's that obscure one that you're not looking for so you're doing your thing and all of of a sudden you're like, oh, there's no way he knows this one, and then rock! Next thing you know, you get caught. Isn't that great? That's the best part about our world, is that you still go in there to get,

there's a chance that even those of us who have been around can get humbled, and what does that tell you? Yeah, it's good. Them suckers can learn, too. But that's so valuable. Those terrible moments where a guy taps you out like that those are so valuable there's so much better for you than the moments where you tap him out if you tap some blue belt out like who gives a shit but if he taps you out like man you should be

thank thanking your lucky stars because you got a real good lesson you got a lesson that if you don't protect your neck if you you fuck up you you you go into a situation where you're not defensive enough and you get caught that's so valuable and that's with everything in life with relationships with friendships with business yes situations everything that's the best that's the best way i've heard that explained like that mat work is like life yeah i got a minute i think i got it figured out i get choked out by something i don't even see coming up. And it's good. Those moments. I've had moments where I just feel like such a fucking loser.

I just feel like such a piece of shit. But those are my best moments because they gave me something. They gave me something that victory never gave me. They gave me something where I was like, where I realized that, you know, you're not always going to win and you don't want to win always. You don't. You don't want to. Even a guy who wins always, like a guy like Floyd Mayweather,

you tell me that guy didn't have dark moments in the gym. You tell me that guy didn't. Every day. Every day. The more his numbers, I love that man. Dude, that family. The more his numbers went up, and everyone bitches about how he fights. He's like, oh, he sits about.

It's a fight. He's the smartest man in boxing. mean smartest man in boxing 50 you know 49 and conor mcgregor that's what i say he's not really 50 you know 49 and conor mcgregor but the guy's been hit hard four times in his whole fucking career he's the goat come on he's figured it out figured it out his all of his his fights the the reason why his fights have been so easy is because his training's been so hard. That's a great way to say that. He's been punished. He's lost.

You know, that's a great way to compliment him, too. Yes. Yes. It's not his fights are easy. It's like his training has been, he understands it. And also, he came from a family. Oh, man. His father fought Sugar Ray Leonard.

Can you imagine back in the day, growing up in that? Come on, man. Doug. His uncle was the Black Mamba. I know, man. Roger Mayweather was the shit, man. I remember watching Roger Mayweather. Those fights back in the day.

Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard. Dude, I remember watching that. It was on a black and white TV. Yeah, man. Yeah. Those fights, when we were growing up, like when you first came in, I was at San Diego with you at Fear Factor one time. I tried to try out for it, me and a couple of my buddies.

Oh, really? Yeah, they wouldn't let us in. They wouldn't let you in because you were SEALs? Yeah, they wouldn't let us in. It was like a thing. They were like, hey, what do you do here? We're over at the, you're not SEALs, are you? And we're supposed to say no.

Oh, that's hilarious because they thought you were too tough. And then one of the young guys was like, yeah, I'm a SEAL. And we're like, oh, great. Oh, no. But when the UFC made that transition from the UFC one, too tough and then one of the young guys was like yeah i'm a seal and we're like oh great oh no but when we when the ufc made that transition from the ufc one i remember watching that one in the dojo and watching them hoist you know and all that was just crazy right guy showed up with a boxing glove on and just art jemerson yeah yeah one boxing glove what was that frenchman's name oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah. I'm

had the white geek pants on. That guy is responsible for Yuki Nakai being blind. That guy eye-gouged Yuki Nakai and he's got one eye now. Oh, really? In the ring? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that was not in the UFC though. I think that was in

Japan Valley Tudor. Yeah. Gardeau? gardo gerard gardo i believe it is yeah yeah there you go gerard gardo yeah fought with gi pants on no shirt yeah yeah that dude tooth went with hackney yeah yeah yeah that that's right yeah there he fought that big sumo guy remember that when that came out i know fuck i, man. I didn't see number one when it was live. I saw number two when it was in a video store. Same thing. I'm pretty sure.

You had the Faces of Death videos. Exactly, exactly. Faces of Death. Faces of Death 45. These fucking kids today, it's so easy to get dark shit. I know. Car accidents. You had to sneak it.

We were kids. Like, what'd you rent? Well, I got Annie and some other, and then, oh, Faces of Death. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That was a good time. I mean, I think there's one Blockbuster still open. Is there really? Just one, the original.

I think it's still open. Where? I knew you were going to ask me that. I saw it on. Is that real? Oregon. Oregon? Yeah, somewhere up north, right?

In Oregon. There's probably no internet up there. That's where Cam Haines lives. He's out there running. Cameron? Yeah. That guy. He's a fucking savage.

I don't even like hanging out with Cameron because no matter everything I've been through, I still feel weak. I was like, I know you run up these mountains with a freaking elk on your back, 24 miles. My brother's like that. Like Mojo. Oh, yeah? Yeah, when you meet him. And Cameron, we'll show up, and he's always in shape.

He's got a smile on his face. I was like, what up, man? What have you been doing? Oh, I just ran 900 miles. Like, good for you, dude. You know what I mean? I feel like I'm such a douche when I come. He forces himself to do it, too.

That's the thing. That guy's got a full-time job. I don't feel sorry for him now, because advertising this through you and on the on the web like hey this is i run it like goggins he'll never stop running i don't think he can no he might be one of the hardest dudes on the planet him and cam yeah there's a few of them they get together too it's funny it's like their own little cam showed up in vegas where goggins lives they just he just knocked on his door so let's go and they went out and ran 20 miles at a six and a half minute mile pace hey pussy what's up i saw you on on youtube you want some exactly exactly well they're good friends they are yeah they push each other they push you like

goggins will send me text messages out of nowhere i'm just letting you know stay hard you know i'll text him goggins what are you doing? Getting hard? Of course you are. Stay hard. Yeah, stay hard, bro. You stay that way so I can get soft. Again, people like that, they're fuel for everybody else. And Goggins knows it. One of the conversations I had with him recently, he goes,

I think this shit is bigger than me. He goes, when I get up in the morning, I'm running. It's bigger than me. There's something moving through me. And I think this shit is bigger than me. He goes, when I get up in the morning, I'm running. It's bigger than me. There's something moving through me. And I think that's real. I mean, it sounds hyperbolic. It sounds like it's exaggeration, but I don't think it is. I think there's something that's moving through him that is forcing other people to action, and it makes him greater than just an individual.

It makes him almost like an antenna. It makes him greater than just an individual. It makes him almost like an antenna. There's something like he's beaming in the power of discipline and the benefit that it has on a human being. He's real. He's real. He's a real deal. There's no doubt about it, man.

Obviously, with us, too, it's an evolutionary thing, meaning day by day. Yeah. I've heard stories. My favorite one was when he, they took his shoes off during one of his races and it was bleeding through his toenail. You know,

toenails are like, hey man, it's like hamburger down there. You probably got to be in a lot of pain. You should quit. He's like, why would pain make me quit?

That's, he's the real deal. I mean, we would do Patriot tours. Like I was on tour with him and he would run from city to city. And then he'd show up

all greased up with his abs and he's kind of, you know, he's got that sexy caramel look, that milk dud head. And all the wives, I mean, all the girls, everybody's like, where's David?

Is he here yet? And I was like, no, he's still running from 500 miles away. He'll get here in a couple minutes. I remember when he first started this with Mojo and I, he started because of all the guys that died. There are a lot of people that don't understand David. I don't want to say don't like him, because if you knew him, then you'd love him.

Right, I agree with that. So there are men down here, like in your family, you have those uncles that you're like, don't mess with him, he's ornery, he's mean. You can't understand him. And he either likes you or doesn't. There are days, David, he picks on me and Mojo all the time. He's ornery. He's mean. You can't understand him. And he either likes you or doesn't. There are days David, I mean, he picks on me and Mojo all the time. He's like, what are you doing?

I was like, oh, just laying around. He's like, getting soft. I'm like, no, not really. I was just kind of taking a break. He's like, we don't take breaks. It jockeys the same way. That's real. You have to have those.

And then there's the interim in between. Like I told you in the teens, we got assholes. They're magnificent. But they belong to us. And then you's the interim in between. Like I told you in the teens, we got assholes. They're magnificent. But they belong to us. Yes. And then you got guys who read physics books and doctors and Ivy League graduates that have multiple degrees. Like 10-pound heads.

When they try to talk to us, they still... We're brothers under the bird, is what we say. Like under the trident. Brothers under the bird. You need all of them. Every one of them. Yeah. So take one of them guys from each walk of life in this country

and throw them into one fraternity. You're not going to figure out satellites without the eggheads. That's it. Period. Yeah. You need them and you need the guys like Jocko that get up at 4.30 in the morning and put themselves through hell. Correct.

With no one around. Because some of the eggs, they're like, I don't want to get up. And Jocko's like, get your ass up. Jocko's listening to metal at 4.30 in the morning. I know. Run! Jump, jump, jump, jump! Jump, jump, jump! Run! Jump, jump, jump!

Run! And he's doing fucking dips and fucking muscle-ups. You need those guys. When we were in Ramadi, it was the worst place I'd ever been. After Afghanistan,

went to Iraq. Excuse me, Anbar Province. Chris Kyle was there. That's when he got those. Well, let's explain to people that many people don't even know this.

After that movie, the events that happened in the movie Lone Survivor, you went back. Yeah, I was still in. Yeah, you went back. You did more tours. Right. And the last one we went on was in Anbar Province in Ramadi, Iraq. I was there 06, 07. I relieved or ripped out, is what we say, Jocko's platoon,

which is Jocko, Chris Kyle, and those guys. And it was hell. I mean, it was the last stand for all. It was like, hey, let's fight. Sleeping in our body armor. I mean, I went out there. We took 18 men, and 14 of them got wounded. I didn't lose one guy.

The day before we were redeploying, I had two point men. They run the platoon out and were doing operations. I'll never, I mean, Schellenberger, I miss you, bro. And then another, a firefighter. That's his name is Stodden, man. Bro, I miss you. He was walking outside the tent and a round came over from outside and hit him in the ribs and he was sitting next to one of the walls or next to a dumpster and one of our

buddies comes walking i was like what's wrong with you he's like man i think somebody hit me with a rock and he's getting shot the x-ray is awesome it's literally his spine and then you see this 762 round right in front of it they can't pull it out it's been encapsulated it just has to sit there he's fine now but there was a gunfight going outside the wall and it'd come over and hit him so the day before we were coming back he got hit and then the other one schellenberger i remember he he we got back and we they had separated us and he went to a different team his sdvs i know you're familiar with with our submersible system yeah and two months or so later,

maybe it might have been a little bit more, he died underneath an aircraft carrier doing a dive. So the darkest place on the planet is underneath an aircraft carrier at night. It's a modern marvel. 6,000 people, an air wing, it's a floating city. It's unbelievable how it even holds in water. Yeah.

And a lot of the training, all of our training is twice as dangerous as real life. We make it that way on purpose. That's why more SEALs die in combat, or in training than they do in combat. Usually when you see SEALs dying in combat, there's a bunch of us. I mean, we get hit.

With us, it was 19. Extortion, it was 31. And it's just the way we are. But coming out of Afghanistan and then rolling into Iraq, I remember seeing Jocko, and he had his war face on, so he didn't talk to me. Jocko wakes up with his war face on. No, but I mean, imagine when he's got permission to jack you up.

Yes. You know what I mean? Jocko, he's going to jack you up. Right. He'd go out and raise an American flag out in the middle of the day just to get it going. He's the real deal. So when we found out we were going out there, I was like, yeah.

But then in my head, I was apprehensive because I just had my ass kicked real bad. And going back, I mean, I had to go back. Out here in Texas, man, if you get your butt whipped, you go back in for more when you get healed up. Did you feel that way? Yeah, I had to. Immediately? Immediately.

I mean, look at the fraternity I'm in. And they never looked down on me. Because we went through BUDS together. BUDS stands for Basic Underwater Demolition Seal Training. But it also means if you take everything away from us, we're still BUDS. Because we survived in hell. And when we went back out there, matter of fact, the're still buds because we survived in hell. And, uh, when we

went back out there, matter of fact, the first gunfight I ever got in, I remember taking a knee and kind of sitting there going, what in the hell am I doing here? I mean, it hadn't even been a year. I couldn't even, I could barely walk really. That's a whole different story altogether. But, um, we, we, anyways, we got out of there and I remember we got back to the bay. I'll tell you the story. We got back to the bay. Some of my new guys walked up to me. It was our first gunfight.

And they're like, Hey, I was checking. I was like, Hey, how you guys doing? You good? I know you,

you got into it. You didn't, what you were supposed to do. Well done. And, and they were like, well, you know,

I was freaking out when the gunfire started, but then I looked up and you were, you were calm and cool. And you look back at us and you look forward and you look back and you kind of made a call and we got out of there. It was smooth. And I was like, keep thinking that brother. Cause when I, when that gunfire started, I took that knee. I was like, what the hell? I mean, I was, it was just like that first fight. Like when you start getting beaten up again, and then you realize like, wait a minute, I'm a fighter. And then I was like, okay, well, let's go. And then I stood up and made the call.

But there are, in any situation you go into, there's going to be that kind of hesitation. I hear people all the time like, man, I've been training so long for this, but I still have the fear. And I was like, well, that's different. That's anxiousness. It runs off the same gland, fear and anxiousness off your adrenals. So in the beginning, you have fear because you're not trained. But then as you train, then it becomes anxiousness off your adrenals so in the beginning you have fear because you're not trained but then as you train then it becomes anxious so when that first punch is thrown that first bullet flies it's like oh let's go there's it's a switch it has to be that way you don't want to walk around engaged the whole time there has to be a trigger also you can't be calm you

can't just be calm about it well you you that uncomfortable feeling right whether it's a fight or what you've gone through it's it's you can't be comfortable so the difference in the ring and in a gunfight is that you have to talk like you're not talking to the dude you're beating up hey dude watch this punt yeah so with us when it goes down you're gonna fire like okay we need to move this way and that's that while we train like that in that fight you got to learn how to communicate and that's what kind of slows you down and it's we do it so much so here's the difference between the seals and everybody else in our training kind of one of the things is is in the beginning they wear us out all day for weeks on end and they tire us out keep us up and

then they start training us then you get your pistol so you're completely exhausted and when you learn like that it it's muscle memory. So when we get engaged, our enemy will start attacking us and then they'll, they'll be like, I'm wearing them down. And then they think that's a good thing. It's not,

it's actually a bad thing because that's when we start to come up. And that's, that's, that's the separation in our, in our training as they've switched it. Don't you think that that's a lesson that people can, that if you can apply that to your life that you're anything good that you're gonna do is gonna make you uncomfortable anything difficult

all of it whether even even like when you have a child like the birth of a child it's uncomfortable it's a weird moment whether you try a new thing in life where you move to a new place where you when you any any new business venture you enter into everything you do that's difficult is going to make you uncomfortable and that's the only way to get ahead that's it but the most extreme version of it that we can all learn from is war the most most extreme version of it is when the consequences are your existence. You don't exist anymore if you fail. It's only uncomfortable because you haven't been in it. Everything's like that.

Getting dressed in the morning, doing everything, I mean, it's the same thing. Imagine you have the capability of being trained in any scenario. It's or not you want to get in you want all of it all of it yeah everything makes you uncomfortable that's new yeah so don't look at it as uncomfortable right that's a word somebody yeah exciting the fear and everything like what all right it's exciting somebody told you that you were supposed to my mother had breast cancer here recently bad and uh she had to go get the surgery and a matriarchal family so when mom's sick i mentally has to take care of all that i'm kind of when it comes to her whatever i'm just i'm weak but she recovered with me so when i got her home i was like ma check Ma, check it out. Pain is pain.

When we go down in the gym and I'll work out chest as hard as I can, that night and the next day, I'm a two-day guy, so the pain feels like my chest is being ripped out. I feel like sometimes I work out so hard and I bleed and I puke that I'm being torn apart. I love it. Because I know right after I get done with that, I'm going to be stronger. Because I don't get battle weakened.

I get battle hardened. Period. I've had the bones knocked out of that, I'm going to be stronger. Because I don't get battle weakened. I get battle hardened. Period. I've had the bones knocked out of me. On the ground, just crying. But I knew that that was just sharpening me. I was like, here's what's going to happen. We're going to go put you under the knife. You're going to wake up the next morning, you're going to be sore,

and you're going to lay up for a week. It's just like we were in the gym, and your chest is sore. One week later, she whipped it like the flu. She was ready to leave. She's like, I'm tired of being around you boy again i mean my mom is something she's she's something that's awesome but pain pain is a matter of perspective of the person going through it because you and i can train for pain and i'm like what is that i was like i got armbarred man i got armbarred all the time i got waterboarded but if you take someone who's never experienced

pain and put them through the same thing that's normal for you, for them, they'd be like, this is horrible. I can't believe this. 100%. And you're like, this is Tuesday. Right. This is normal shit. Yeah.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah, it is crazy. We adapt. That's why people live in fucking Alaska. That's Eskimos and shit. We're designed to survive down here. This thing's more capable than we have... Yes.

I mean, we can't even imagine. Once Elon puts everybody on Mars and everywhere else, I mean, stand by. I mean, it's just... Yeah. It's designed that way. All the wars, all the atrocities you come through, you kind of learn.

And so we're kind of going through right now. Right now, most everybody out there is arguing about color and weather. You really can't mess with them two things. They're kind of set. You know what I mean? So if we're at that point, I'm thinking, okay, well, if that's the last thing we is arguing about color and weather you really can't mess with them two things they're kind of set yeah you know what i mean so if we're at that point i'm thinking okay well that's the last thing we're arguing about then we're making a transition yeah i think i think so too and i think those things are really nonsense and i think that in the the people that live in that world and that uh that exchange the the currency of that nonsense they're only

doing it because they don't have anything greater. They don't have a larger picture. So the reason why they dwell on color or gender or all these things that aren't important, what's important is the character of you as a human being. And if you concentrate on color or gender or sexuality or whatever the fuck it is that you're boiling people down to. You're only doing that

because you lack the other experiences. Sure, like I said earlier, man, it's what's different makes us unique. We all drive similar cars, similar colors, but what do you do? You throw a bumper sticker on it, hang some stuff in a mirror,

like lower it, raise it. The differences are great. Yeah, man, it's supposed to be that's the best part but the camaraderie in in similarities is great too there's one of the beautiful things about texas is texas is almost like moving to texas like moving to a country it's moving it feels like a country it does like the people here like i'm gonna be i've never felt more at home oh it's something it's something. It's a thing. It's a thing.

My seventh grade teacher, I was cutting up in class. He pulled me outside and he kind of poked me in the chest. He asked me what kind of Texan I was going to be. I'll never forget that. Never forget it. And when you come out here, man, we're all different. Like, you live in Austin. That's kind of our little, our own little California.

We love having it here. We do. The further you venture away from that, it gets, I mean, if you're in West Texas, completely different than East. North and South, completely different.

But the schwagger is the same. There's a video that I listen to. You know who Billy Allsbrook is? No. So if you're ever having a bad day, listen to that dude. Who is he? He's a motivational guy.

Billy Allsbrook. There's a couple of guys I listen to every morning. He has this one called I Am a Champion. And take the word champion out and put Texan. What does he do? What is his thing?

You pull him up. Billy, how do you spell his name? A-L. Allsbrook? Yeah, Allsbrook. A-L-B-R-O-O-K-S. Allbrooks. And so he's like, hey, I wake up in the morning.

I'm like, good morning, Texan. I look in the mirror. I'm like, good morning, Texan. I eat like a Texan. I eat like a Texan. I walk like a Texan. If I gotta go over it or around it, unfortunately, if I gotta go through it, I'm gonna go through it like a Texan. On my gravestone,

it's gonna say Texan, right? This means I will be as friendly as humanly possible. I want you to entertain yourself and love everything around you. The minute you get out of line, I'm gonna bust your ass through the fucking concrete. we got it's a reputation around here we enforce our own police police the peaceful people then you have everybody in between you get out west texas get some of them rednecks man with them country boys they don't tolerate you

talking back talking back to their women women are a big thing around here our texas women man we don't like it when you disrespect them man That's a thing Well this is a Wild west state It is This is a state That was forged In the battle

With the Comanches Yeah which was Bro Have you read Empire of the Summer Moon I have What's up I had Sam

On the podcast Bro That's the fucking shit Man I had the guy Who wrote that Those women Would tear you up

Holy shit Don't worry about the dudes If you slip past a girl Man Do you see I had Quanah Parker I that. Those women would tear you up. Holy shit. Don't worry about the dudes. If you slip past a girl, man. Did you see I had Quanah Parker? Yeah, yeah. I saw it. I saw a photo of him out there. Yeah, yeah.

We were talking about that. Yeah. I know. Who's the guy in the plane? He was the director for, Jeff was telling me. The guy on the plane? In the plane with the pistol? What's that?

The Hunter Thompson picture. Oh, Hunter S. Thompson. Oh, that photo. Yeah, that's Hunter. So Mel was giving some lessons on Texas and what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to go to Whataburger, eat Blue Bell ice cream, visit a Buc-ee's because it's like a mall. You've got to go to the Alamo and you've got to know when we fought.

Do you know who the other guy is out there? Jack Hayes. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know him. That's the original Texas Ranger. Oh, on the wall there. No, the guy that's – On the picture.

Yeah, that photo. Hayes. Yeah, Jack Hayes. Captain Jack Hayes. Yeah. The, on the wall there. No, the guy that's... On the picture. Yeah, that photo. Hayes. Yeah, Jack Hayes. Captain Jack Hayes, yeah. Yeah, that's the original Texas Ranger. The story on him is legendary. Yeah, he's a savage. Look at his hair.

It's all fucked up. Have you run across any of our Rangers yet? No. Okay, check it out. I was trying to explain this earlier, so have you run across any of our police? Yeah, sure. Okay, they're all different.

Like, if you run into the highway boys, like the black and whites, and they come out, just be your best, like kill them with kindness, and they'll normally let you go. The minute you're like, what's the problem? Then you're in for it. I've never done that. I don't do that.

I mean, then they'll find some stuff, right? But our rangers, you'll see them. They walk in, they have white shirts on, button down, all starched up, pants, and they got a rig on there that looks like it's made out of the Old West, and they got a 10-star and a hat on's made out of the old west and they got a 10 star and i had i was i was always taught never even look at them because they'll just find some reasons to mess with you not pick on you just like hey you know they're they're the real deal they've been through a lot in our rangers or something so there's kind of a it's always a bragging right because captain hayes jack all them guys what they had to go through i think he gave a

speech to his troops right before he died. He was sitting in camp telling them, hey, I'm proud of you. They just promoted him to captain and he freaking died. There's some good ones with the stories that come out of that. I actually have a book

that was gifted to me that has the signatures of all the Texas Rangers current and a lot of them that are past. It's one of the coolest things I got. People give me stuff sometimes. I can even believe it how fortunate i am i i mean especially to live here does it feel weird because your story has been elevated to the point of like hollywood movies and you know marky mark played you in a movie and all that how great is he shit he's amazing

look i'm telling you man as as much as people like to give that guy shit... Who does? Assholes. Where? Go online. Tell him to call me. Because he's doing push-ups with Dr. Oz. I don't care what he does.

Do whatever the hell he wants, man. Listen, he nailed that movie. He nailed that movie. He nails a lot of movies. Boston boy. Yeah, that's where I'm from. I know. So, I mean, there's a kindred spirit.

I always told him, I was like, hey, man, you're the city version of me. And when it came time to picking the actors for the movie, you want to talk about that? No. I didn't pick him. He was the only one I didn't have any say in. Who did you pick? So, Ben Foster. Ben Foster.

He played Axe. Oh, dude, Ben Foster is fucking amazing. That's the guy who's in 30 Days of Night, that vampire movie. You remember that? Fuck yeah. How about that? Fuck yeah. Good.

That guy's in everything good. He's incredible. He's on Broadway. He's incredible. He's incredible. When I was... Cool story with he and I. The first time we met, he called me.

He's like, hey, what are you doing? I got to pick up my truck in Texas and drive to drive to the set new mexico so i asked melly i was like hey you mind if i road trip with him and she's like is that a good idea you don't even know him that's what i think it is i mean how bad could it be right i was like one of two things is gonna happen i'm either gonna leave him in the desert or we're gonna show up best friends plain and simple there's some gray area in between. There's gray area. It's real big desert out there in West Texas, man.

So we started driving. Met up in Dallas at a gas station. First time I ever saw him. Within about 15 minutes of that road, that's how you know if you can get along with somebody, road trip with them. Get in a car with them and drive cross country, right? True.

By the time we got to the set, we were best buddies. Still are to this day, man. I mean married kids i called him checked on him him and and and walberg he he's he's something the only thing i gave walberg on the set i was like man don't try and talk like a southern boy don't say and then there's a scene in the movie he's like hey i'm about fixing i'm hey y'all i'm about fixing to do something i I was like, man, those are double. We can't put them two together. Don't fake the funk. Don't fake my southern accent, damn it. Be your boss and self. And so with Mark, it was kind of different.

It was difficult. The first time I met him, I remember that we were driving up on set, and I was actually driving Ben's truck. It was Mellie and I. And we're driving into the SWAT training range. We're teaching them how to shoot the live fire guns, the M4s and everything. We train the mess out of them.

And as we're driving in, Good Vibrations comes on the radio. Seriously. Like, I didn't program that or anything. I'm just kind of driving in. I got the windows down. It's a beautiful day. Good Vibrations comes on the radio. Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch. Great, right? Yeah. So good.

Old school. Old school. So Mel's over there just jamming out. She's like, oh, I had pictures of his poster on my wall, him in his underwear. I'm like, what? You know what I'm talking about? Like, I started going like that route. I'm like, keep talking.

Keep talking. So when I showed up on set, I was already pissed at him. I remember walking in. They kind of kept the separated and i was like what's up man he's like hey what's up and out in my head i was like man you know and then with taylor taylor kitch and emil they they just ever we all had to spend we were always together like on that set there were people showing up that were like, hey, look, I'm not even getting paid to be here.

It's just an honor to be here. The stuntmen tried to kill themselves. And when people ask you about the movie, I was like, we made it as realistic as possible without killing them dudes. The stuntmen, when they're going over those rocks. Look. Jesus fucking Christ. There's no way to fake that.

The way they hit those rocks. There was no CGI. There was like 90 cameras down that mountain, and they just threw them. And then they got hurt so bad. And I remember Pete made me leave during the gun. He's like, hey, you know, I don't want you to get stressed out or anything. I was like, man, I went through this in real life. Why would this kind of stress me out?

Because the difference when I tell between the movie and real life is like, this is as far as we could push the actors and the stuntmen without killing them the one thing about team guys is when we learn how to operate we learn how to get efficient just like every other green beret and ranger but then after seals try to look cool while we're doing it and the thing on the mountain is when we're falling like in the movie it kind of looks sexy while they're doing that in real life it's not it wasn't it wasn't sexy i mean we were getting ripped apart bad i mean i couldn't believe and i just remember i remember thinking like i couldn't believe that someone else was willing to go through that i remember thinking to the actors and watching them i was like man

because we're on top of the mountain just sitting out there all day and stuff i was like man i'm sorry you guys got to go through all that. And there was team guys all around them. I mean, so every time they would move or shoot or do something, it had to be authentic. Now, if you ask a team guy, like, hey, did you like any Navy SEAL movies?

They'll all say no, unless they're lying to you. Because no SEAL likes movies about themselves. They'll always find something that's wrong with it. A good team guy will. That's just the way it is. But with us, I was like, hey, if the families were satisfied, and I told Pete this is kind of a little thing.

I was like, hey, man, if I see this on TNT during Veterans Day, you did a good job. And it showed up there. But no matter how you slice it, I mean, the outcome, we all died. Man, it was the craziest ride, bro. Good. I mean, in my lowest point, like going through all those surgeries, then they put me with the stars.

And they just cheered me up. It's the weirdest dynamic. Like I was supposed to be miserable and in pain all the time, but I was with them. And they were just like, hey, good job. People always ask me what I feel about that. I was like, well, everyone always said I always did a good job, even though I got whipped.

They whipped me so bad, I got whipped back to my mother. You ever had your ass whipped so bad, you got whipped back to your mother? When people ask me about the fight in real life, it was probably over about three hours. Three hours. And Navy SEALs, we love our gear. Like you issue us something, man, we love it.

I started that fight with all my friends and all my gear. By the end of it, three and a half hours later, I was butt naked and all my gear was gone and all my friends were dead. They whipped my ass while I was naked. You ever been whipped like that? I hadn't. I've never been whipped like that i hadn't i never been whipped like that like they just kept coming so much so i got i was so busted up that i didn't man i didn't know what to do i was scared to death it was the only time i'd ever been afraid i was afraid because the difference between fear

and being afraid is afraid to leave you a blobber and mess you just be laying there i don't i didn't know what to do i was more like a battery you put me into my friends i'll charge you take them away from me i'll just sit around i don't even know i didn't i didn't know what to do and i lay there all damn day in that hole trying to figure out what i what i needed to do and eventually it was like get up and just start crawling and i did that and it got me here but i don't care i was in a hole in afghanistan all my friends were dead and i was naked dying and now i'm sitting right here with you so you can't tell me that the hardest part of your day is not going to reveal the best part of it you just don't know when that's coming and i i never could understand that until kind of life took charge and kind of pushed me through it.

And then I started to think about it. I was like, hey, man, them guys paid the ultimate sacrifice. If you come down here to learn how to live while you're dying, and I was like, they got checked out early, which means they did a good job. I'm still working on mine. I'm still trying to get my stuff done. And I always looked at it as that. And my teammates would always push me.

And SEAL seals are the worst they come down on me harder than anybody there's stuff I'll say on this podcast and they'll rip me up good that's how I know they love me right because that's their opinion

I need to hear it but I just try to do because I was in that loss column right I was like I got my ass whipped no team guy likes to see that so I always keep my head down stay humble

I tell myself that every day, stay humble. Stay humble, stay humble. Daily control. And work harder than everybody else. The only thing I ever had going for me was my work ethic. If anybody out there thinks I got special skills, something like that, it took that away from me at birth. I had to earn it.

That's why it's so difficult for me. They call me the anchor man. I was the slowest guy to ever graduate, Buzz. Slowest runner. I mean, it's so difficult for me. They call me the anchor man. I was the slowest guy to ever graduate, bud. Slowest runner. I mean, it's funny. I mean, sometimes I'm like, Latrell, how the hell did you even get in here? I was like, I don't know.

By happenstance, I guess. And then they're like, all right. But then when it came time to putting out, I put out like 10 men. That's all you got to think about. Like, I don't care what anybody thinks about you, man. You put out and it's fine. Style is your style.

Did you make a conscious decision to not watch the movie? They wouldn't let me. They wouldn't let you. I remember that, um, he would show it to me in increments, and then, um, I remember the first time my, like, people, the family out there, my mother was there and my wife.

I think Mellie knew the story, but she didn't ever, she never had any kind of idea what was going on. And then, thank you. And then I remember they watched it and I came back in afterwards and she just came up and held me. Not like your wife normally does, like she's happy to see you. Like held me like I was damaged. Like she was sorry I had to go through that. I'll never forget that.

And then my mother was like, why is there so much profanity? I was like, Mom, I... I was like, Mom, I... So many guys get shot in the head. I know, I was like... I was like, Mom, I c you know, I, so many guys get shot in the head. I know, I was like, I was like, Ma, I cuss a little bit when I'm fighting.

That's like, it's a thing. It's like, that's how we get into people's shit. Right, yeah. Can you believe that? That's hilarious.

I can, and I love it. I know, it's so good. And then, that's how I knew, like, if Pete did,

did what he was supposed to do, right? It would, when we were making the movie, they're like, hey, this is the greatest question. Like, hey,

if they were going to make a movie about you, who would you get to play you? Me? Andy Dick. That's a good choice. I freaking love that guy's humor, man. Most people kind of know that. I was like Denzel.

Like, I'm going to walk like Denzel in Travolta. Like, the actors throughout the book, you know, they're just the coolest dude, right? But when it's time, when it really happens, like, hey, who would you like? I'm like, oh, all right, let's think about this. So that's why I said, you know, for me to pick somebody to play me, that wouldn't be fair. Did you have ideas?

Not from. No. No, no, not really. Because when they ask me that, I go, man, I don't have any freaking idea. It's got to be so hard. I mean, because I got a little bit of McConaughey, a little bit of Jeff Bridges from Big Lebowski. I got Dude and the Walter. And I mean, there's everything in there in between, right?

And then when you're kind of sitting there and they think about it, and I'm like, I'll tell you what, I'll just pick the other, help you with the other guys. You ask my friends. They'll tell you which one of these guys can portray me. And we stuck with it. That worked out. Well, he nailed it. I mean, he didn't nail it because it wasn't you,

but it was the best, like, vehicle for carrying your story because he's a legit movie star and he did a great job and there was no bullshit in it it wasn't there's no fluff in that movie you know it's like you know there's war movies and i'm sure i've never experienced war but i'm sure there's war movies that make you angry like you watch them and you're like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. This is a bastardization of the real thing. That wasn't that. Go ahead. Yeah, Peter Berg nailed it.

He nailed it. I think it's funny with war movies because sometimes people ask me, like, hey, what's your favorite war movie? I'm like, well, in what regard? Because if you're talking about gunfire, what it means, if you're talking about like gunfire, like what it means, like if you see somebody really getting it on, have you ever seen heat? Yeah.

That gunplay when they're out there on the street, man, that is serious business. Um, Keanu Reeves, Tom Creighton, and then God, them gunplay and John Wick. Like that's Keanu's own little thing when he, like he kind of, that's, that's tough. I tell tell like what people when they teach self-defense to women they're like hey we're gonna do this waz are gonna come through here and do this and i'm like i mean that's all whatever good there's three spots on a dude you need to hit yeah shut them down yeah with women when it comes to pistols they teach them how to hold them out

and do all this stuff that's all well and good too but all you need to do is tuck them arms underneath them titties put that pistol right there and wherever you point them headlights that's going yeah yeah and no pressure whatsoever so you can over train somebody or you can just over my life through all the martial arts and seal teams and everything i've never been trained and worked with you realize and i'm a medic like i know all the body functions i know how they work path of blood path everything i was trained in that so i know where to go to shut something off like a lot of people when they get in the fight i I'm going to hit them in the... I'm like, no, no, man. If I'm going to shut you down, self-defense will just shut you down.

As big as I am, as much as I weigh, I don't give a shit who you are. If I come at you, if I'm coming from your throat, there's nothing you can do to stop me. I mean, there's those openings. So when you kind of... As we progress, and with my wife and everything, I kind of train them in that certain way.

It's kind of funny with us. We talk about this in SEAL teams. I was like, man, they give us so much tech. We drop out of the sky, bro, with green eyes, freaking bulletproof. And they give us the stuff to where we end it quick. And we do that so they don't leave us there because if you take that away from us and we're like, I'm not going to kill you.

I came here to whip you until you get in line. I'm just going to sit here and send my boys in. We're going to whip you down until you just do it to what I'm going to do. Right? I mean, how do you weigh that? Right? And we're so well trained that it has to be that way. It's not that hard to kill a human being and we

got nuclear weapons what the hell is that all about we got enough weapons for everybody that's ever i mean are you kidding me i mean sometimes and i was trained for that and i was trained for it yeah and now when you look it back at it you're like okay like if you're really pissed off at somebody then we'll set it like our way then you'll know like you know i mean if you i just think sometimes we get so aggressive and people are scared of something they shouldn't be they're scared of something different so you want to kill it man don't kill it just understand it even with us right when we walk into a room same way with the animals like if we walk into a room somewhere there's a bunch of guys in there we'll do the walk by i was hey, I want you to see me first.

Right? And then we'll come back around and be like, hey, what's going on? And then eventually you kind of slowly open up that banter. So it's a respect thing. Yeah. It's like an offensive-defensive thing. My hope is that when I meet someone, I never have to do that. That I meet someone like you. If I meet someone like you, I don't have to do that.

I shake your hand. And we'll look at each other in the eye. I go, what how you doing what's up man how you doing and we're good that's it yeah the problem is when people are vulnerable or they're insecure or they're just just don't understand who they are and then you have to do this like sort of slow dance with them and get to get to be comfortable with them it's crazy right? I appreciate people that I can just be myself with. And there's not a lot of them. It's too hard. What is that?

Where you grow up? Well, it's a lot of things. It's life experience. It's accomplishments. It's the things you've seen, the dark moments you've had by yourself. There's so many things well you know it's like your life is uh just a wild spectrum of experiences and and some people

have had a limited limited number of those and those people are the scariest because those people they don't know who they are and they're they're they're they want to establish themselves and they want to force themselves on you and they don't even know who they are yet. The people that know who they are, like a guy like Jocko or a guy like Goggins or you or Cam Haines or people who know who they are, they're so easy to meet. They're so easy. They're so friendly. They look you in the eye and you look them in the eye and you're like, all right, we're

all right. We're good. They're so friendly. They look you in the eye and you look them in the eye and you're like, all right, we're all right. We're good. And if the world was like that, if the world was filled with men who have accomplished things, who understand who they are and know their weaknesses and know their strengths, we'd be so much better off.

But the real vulnerability in our society and our culture is men who don't know their weaknesses and they want to pretend. They want to pretend they're something they're not and they want to weaken other people around them. They want to diminish other people's accomplishments. They want to, instead of being inspired by other folks, they want to diminish those folks. And that's, it's just an insecurity. And insecurity comes out of a lack of experience and it comes out of a lack of experience, and it comes out of a lack of testing yourself.

And this is one of the genuine problems that we have with human beings in our society. Yeah. What is it, like 53% of all Americans don't even leave their town? Is that real? They don't even go outside their own wheelhouse. So as they progress through the ranks and you stay there, you'll develop your own reputation in that town. It's usually when someone like us runs into that town, right,

and we run into them. There's no reason why I should ever be insecure about things that you're proficient at. I didn't train in it. You're supposed to enjoy that. Yeah, you're supposed to. That's the best part. I mean, the way you think and everything, it teaches me something.

So not only do I not have to go through it, you did. So if you talk to me and I listen, I can understand it. And if I run into anything like you, I'll deal with it. I can understand it. Because some people will get worked up. I'm like, man, he's like, well, where's he from i mean i mean just kind of step back and think about that and as we grow up the lucky part about us is they just we had to leave like with the men he was like back when the spartans hey your ass is leaving yeah that's why they did it yeah that's why they did that that's

absolutely you get it you get a community or a civilization that literally learns how to run so proficient then you're like okay you know as kids the boys man it's gonna be sorry it's gotta be hard we're gonna put you through this i think men just struggle with being defined by other people's opinions of them sure it's a real problem you know like your your opinion of yourself should be based on your experiences in life, and other people's opinions of you should be based on what you've accomplished and who you are and how you are when you meet them, and it should be undeniable.

Never let anybody's perception of you become your reality because they don't know what you're going through, and they may catch you in that part when you're on the downtrodden or you're getting your ass handed to you or you're on the peak of it. Yes. So, I mean, don't even, what do you even, think of it as motivation. Like that was me wrapped up in that body telling you, hey, you're not doing good enough, right?

It's like a motivational thing to you. It shouldn't be, at no point in time should you ever pull somebody's stress into you and deal with it. Right. Your job is to hit them with your, like that positivity that we go through and push it out of them. Was it weird when they made a movie about your life, when you knew that other SEALs had died, that other SEALs had gone through very similar experiences,

and then all of a sudden you're getting all this focus and attention? Did you feel like it wasn't warranted, you didn't deserve it, or you felt like you needed to spread it around to all your other brothers who you knew had also died has that's a tough that's a great question and our community that's tough and when they were telling me like hey we got to debrief this put it into a book into a movie i was like wait a minute my are you kidding me right i was like my brothers are gonna chew me up and spit me out right and they did but then they i carried myself a certain way and they'll look no matter what they'll always talk bad about me if you're not getting picked on in the seal community that means they don't like you like if somebody comes up like and they're like hey bro

good job i'm like you're like you know right come on like we're a family yes and my i none of my brothers really will ever compliment me they love me and, and we love each other, and we'll fight to the death for each other, but they will never pay me a compliment. As a matter of fact, the harder they are on me, they're like, hey, you're a piece of shit. I'm like, that means good job, right? So each one of them are different, and I never judged. When we're in, it's kind of unique because we're in platoons, and there are different guys. I mean, there are the guys we keep behind the glass.

You don't even want to mess with them. Don't talk to them. We've got the geeks, the nerds, the 12-pound heads, Ivy League guys. I mean, all across the board. So we kind of rotate. That's why they break us up after every deployment. So you can't just get in with a click. They make you work with everybody.

Really? Yeah, that's the thing. That's why they do it? Yeah, that's why they do it. So what happens after deployment? You come back, you got a little bit of break, then you come back in,

they're like, hey, this is the new crew you're with. Really? Yeah, you'd think it'd be more proficient to keep us together, but the reason they do that is so we can, it's the teams.

You have to learn how to work with everybody. That's brilliant. Don't have a chief that's hard on you, like, man, I don't get along with that dude, but the LPL would be great. And then all the E5 mafia and all them guys. And that is by design.

It's so we'll always remember to love each other. Because there's some guys that are like, man, that guy's a frickin' this, that, and the other. He doesn't do this. Yeah, but he does this real well. And that's why he's here. So why would you judge him on that? That's not his business. And then it's hard to pick that up as you're growing up in the teams.

I always – I learned this watching the leadership. I was like, I hear all the younger guys bitching about the head shed, the leaders, because they won't let them fight or this, that, and the other. I'm like, man, it takes both sides to get us into this. If you're the new guy in here, it's kind of like a freshman congressman going into work. They're like, hey, I'm going to change everything. I'm going to come in here. I'm going to put these rules down.

I'm going to do this. And when you walk in there and everybody's been there a long time, they're like, you ain't doing nothing. Shut your mouth, get a haircut, and check the watch bill, right? And then you've got to learn to deal with every one of them guys. And that's what makes it the teams. Like, yeah, I know no one likes that guy, but I do because he saved my life. And if he was willing to do that, then I don't care about his style.

That's his style. Learn to appreciate that. Because if he's down here and somebody else can tolerate him, that means I can. I just need to learn how. I shouldn't expect somebody to learn how to deal with me. I should try to learn how to deal with them. Right. And that's the humbleness.

I'm like, yeah, have I accomplished all this? Am I this? And I am what I am. I am absolutely 100%. But should I pose that on everybody? No, man, I'm going to come in. I'm going to learn what you love. And I'm going to learn how to love that.

And then I'm going to learn how to operate with it, which makes us unstoppable force, right? Immovable object, unstoppable force. You put them two things together, and when they start coming at you, and you're like, hey, man, he just loves me for me. Yeah. That's an unbreakable bond, man. It's brilliant that they figured that out.

It is, right? It really is. I don't think they did it on purpose. Really? No, I don't, because we always kind of look into that, and like, hey, who made the SEAL teams up? How did the program start? I think it started off of two different programs that kind of had a good base, and they put them together.

With that being, when you know that, like you know the outlines, right? But when you put them together, you can't even imagine what it creates. It's a hybrid. It's spliced. So there will be some things that you recognize, but then there will be some things like, man, I don't even know what that is. Right. And, and once we figure that out, we start going through it. Like we're capable of some things you can't even imagine. And everybody else will look, look at it because they can't understand it. It's just because you didn't go through it. And over time it's, it feeds itself. And those that go through it always look back and be like,

Hey, I had to go through it. So will you. It's okay. Just do it. Just do it. Was there anything in doing that movie where, even though you never watched the movie at all, you did read the script, right? Yeah. Was there anything where you had an issue with it or where it wasn't completely accurate

or where they were trying to, like, because you've got to take an enormous portion of your life and boil it down to 90 minutes or whatever it wasn't completely accurate, or where they were trying to, like, because you've got to take an enormous portion of your life and boil it down to 90 minutes, or whatever it was. Right, so five days into an hour and a half. It's as long as it takes a guy to have to go to the bathroom. That's how long a movie's supposed to be. That's what I was told. What the fuck is wrong with you

if you have to go to the bathroom for an hour and a half? Right? Like, me, I was like, well, if you're at home drinking, you don't have to go to the bathroom for an hour right like me i was like well if you're at home drinking you don't want to and then uh so a long movie takes about six months to get made i didn't i didn't know all this i love to watch movies i didn't know anything about getting how they they were made and i had to go through the whole process with pete from right i remember when he the day we were in his office what the exact question you ask i I remember it. I would just sit there. He's so great. I mean, everything you hear about Hollywood and the actors and how they live in that flamboyant lifestyle, that exists.

And it's great to see. But then they also have to go through chaos, right, to get everything done. So there's those moments of the bliss. But in between that, there's this hard stuff that they have to go through and i uh it was he and i and his son i was in the spare bedroom and went to the office and he's writing the script up and i just threw the book across the table i was like there it is that's a debrief i didn't write it it wrote itself i was like everything that's in there man how it went down if there's an opinion in there

that's an opinion anything but it is how it went down and then so he started writing and he man he would go out and have to deal with the seals and like go on deployment come back and then we would beat him to death i mean beat him to death i don't know if anybody can appreciate what that man had to go through hollywood actor he didn't even know what he was appreciate what that man had to go through. Hollywood actor. He didn't even know what he was getting himself into. He had no choice. And we would go out and have the best time, man,

and we would still wreck him. The minute he thought he was doing something good, we'd hammer him. And they blanketed the set. Like the stunt coordinator, Kevin, he was great. And then there were the seals that were on there. The stunt coordinator, Kevin, he was great. And then there were the seals that were on there. So it got to the point to where it evolved into itself. You didn't have to make something up.

There's so much stuff that we kept from the story that if I told you, you wouldn't believe me. Now, when it came to the movie, we filmed it around the gunfight. Like what? So we filmed the movie around the gunfight because that's when everyone was alive i was like you shouldn't have known that i was going to be the guy to make it out when they were picking the actors i was like so if you get somebody like an a-list actor and then everybody they'll know that that he's the one that made it out i was like when you're watching the movie you shouldn't know that of course hollywood does kind of kind of kind of does their own thing.

But the craziest part about that whole operation was getting me out of there. And that wasn't in the movie. In the movie, they did a daylight extract. Like they came in, landed, a couple of shots, and they got out of there. In real life, it wasn't like that. It was unbelievable. I mean, it was a night. And, I mean, the world was blowing up.

We were in this, like, a volcano, like, sitting in the middle of this volcano. And I remember looking down the mountain, and there was a river running down. I mean, it looked like miles down. And they had moved me. They had to carry me. I couldn't walk.

And they kind of, like, and we would stumble over. The Green Berets, Rangers, it was a hodgepodge. They had to carry me. I couldn't walk. And we would stumble over. The Green Berets, Rangers, it was a hodgepodge. Let me tell you something. When them guys showed up to rescue me, when they found me, I was laying in a riverbed, dried up, tucked under a rock. The villagers had shoved me underneath this rock. And there was this one guy I had never met before.

And he was sitting there listening to an AM FM radio. And he was scrolling through the channels. We hand those out for morale. Like the U.S. military hands those out. And he had one of them. I recognized it. And he was listening to the different channels. And I could recognize the different languages.

German, Japanese. And he was like, hey, they're talking about you. And I was like, okay. I didn't know who he was. He was kind of messing with me a little bit because I couldn't move and he had this stinging. Anyway, it's not important. And then the gulab and a couple of the villagers came and picked me up. They had to carry me everywhere.

Why did they save you? Because in the movie it's confusing. It is. Because in the movie it's like these guys save you, and you don't know why they're saving you. When he found me. They have to fight the Taliban. Yeah.

Can you believe that? Crazy. So I had been crawling for a day and some change. I was crawling through the mountains, and I had somehow, someway got to the top of this ridgeline. I was so thirsty. I mean, I... Somehow, someway got to the top of this ridgeline. I was so thirsty. I mean, I... I hadn't thought about this.

There's an insanity that goes with thirst. I was so thirsty that I was willing to kill anything to get water. I mean, you can't even believe it. I was drinking my own urine, my own blood. Nothing would quench the thirst. God, i hadn't thought about this in a while and i got to the top of this ridge line and there was a waterfall and i was trying to slide down into it i was like i'm just gonna go down in here and i'm gonna hit that water and it's gonna be something good to drink so i tried to slide down i just took off i got uncontrollably i started

sliding i rotated upside down and i remember looking over and my rifle was sliding beside me. I couldn't throw that thing away. It's like every time I'd lose it, one of my boys was like, hey, you're going to need this. And I flipped upside down, over backwards into the river. And I remember my knees hit me in the face and it knocked me out again. And I was kind of, I mean, I was a blobbering mess. Everything was broken. and it knocked me out again and i was kind of i mean i was i was a blobbering mess everything was broken and i i rolled over and i remember kind of sitting on all fours i picked my head up and i

looked up and there was that water fountain there and i remember sliding down this is the craziest thing i hadn't thought about this and i remember seeing this little pool of water and i was like oh it'd be a great place to get something to drink so i climbed i crawled back up into this thing and i leaned into that waterfall, and I remember washing my face and hands. My gloves were, I had gloves on, the mechanic gloves, and all the fingers were ripped out, and the palms were ripped out. So I was just kind of, and it was the best water I ever had.

I'll never forget it. It was cold, and I was hurting real bad. And I remember hearing somebody screaming at me and i kind of turned around over my shoulder there's a guy standing there looking at me pointing at me he was like taliban taliban so i swung around with my rifle and then all of a sudden behind me again there was i could hear someone screaming at me they're like neighbors and i look up and there's this guy standing on the hill that I'd just fallen off of. But he didn't have a weapon.

He was just pointing at me. And then there were some guys on the ridgeline moving around. They had weapons. I saw them. So I turned back around, and I kind of started to crawl. I was like, man, I was in a channelized area. It was kind of bad. And I remember I was leaning against this rock.

I was sitting on my butt. I had my rifle in my hand i was breathing i couldn't breathe i'd bitten my tongue in half and i was like that's a crazy story but the guy screamed at me again i turned around to shoot and he he saw me and he he ducked behind this rock and then i mean right over my left shoulder probably 30 yards not not even that. I hear, American, American. And I kind of turned around, and it was Gulab, one of the main villagers who rescued me. And I turned around, and I had my gun at my hip.

My safety was off, my tension was out of my trigger, and he was kind of looking. I mean, we were staring at each other straight in the eyes. And I mean, I was like, like death. You know how you can smell death when it's there? I was like, man, okay, let's go. And, I don't know why I didn't kill him.

I don't know why I didn't kill him. I didn't have to even go to my shoulder to kill him. I mean, I had the tension out of my trigger. I was just sitting there looking at him. He was looking at me and he wouldn't say, he said American a couple of times. And then he said it again. I was like Taliban. looking at him He was looking at me He said American a couple times Then he said it again I was like Taliban And he was like American

And then he kind of put his hands up And I came off my trigger Kind of wanted to kill him And he started walking down on me He was like okay okay Shampoo hydrate Shampoo hydrate That's what he said

Two English words he knew I was like shampoo hydrate you know how good that sounded i was like bro i would love some water and if you want to wash my hair it's so funny so if you ever get into a bad situation and you're about to lose your mind just say shampoo and hydrate and you'll be fine dude i'm like can you believe that that's what he said to me. That's crazy. And I dropped my muzzle down, and he walked up on me, and I pulled a grenade out. I pulled a pin. Don't ever do that. And I was going to, like, if you try something, I'll just kill us all.

I don't care. But then he kind of rolled me over, and he's like, it's okay. I got you. You know how when you can tell, like, hey, man, I got you. I freaking got you. You can feel that. Like, you can feel if someone's like, hey, man, I got you. I freaking got you. You can feel that. Like, you can feel if someone's like, hey, man, I got you, and then I'm going to jack you up later.

And this guy was like, man, I got you, man. And I repinned that grenade. I'll never forget. I was like, I heard you. You're not supposed to do that. I mean, there's so much crazy stuff. Anyways, all these kids came running out from everywhere, and they picked me up.

I couldn't walk. And they started carrying me down the ridgeline into the valley. And there was a village down there. And then the kids and everybody, they were laughing and whatnot. And they pulled me into this room. And they doctored me up, stopped my bleeding, patched me up, gave me all the water I could drink. And then the Taliban came in after that and snatched me up.

So how much of what was in the script, I know you didn't see the movie, but how much of what was in the script, I know you didn't see the movie, but how much of what was in the script was accurate? Every bit of it. Everybody died. Like in the movie when you see those guys falling down a mountain, it looks cool. Imagine going past cool to when it looks like chaos. Imagine playing your favorite sport on the side of a mountain with people shooting at you. It didn't look cool.

It looked horrific. Sexy. I mean, it was terrible. mean like it's getting ripped apart and like we would come in and the guys would just be like man was shot in the face and it was kind of his eyes were gone like i'm a medic. Some of them were bad. Some of them was bad. But then, you know, I was like, I didn't know what to do. I started, I never knew what to do.

Isn't that crazy? I was like, man, I was well-trained. I was like, I got my ass in a pickle. I couldn't get out. I didn't know what to do. And I would just sit there. And there would be times when I would think about my brother and all my buddies. I was like, hey, man, you guys are stupid.

I'm still here. Come get me. And then I could see aircraft flying overhead. And I was like, I'm right here. And they would just keep flying. And then someone would try to kill me. Like a wall would blow up or a bullet would zip through the wall. And then they'd have to move me.

Man, it was a hell of a week. It was rough. They left me in this hole for a while they buried me and uh i was like man i'm a foreign man a foreign land everybody's dead and i mean who knows where i'm at i was in hell i was literally in hell and if it wasn't for them i mean the way that whole thing worked out I it's funny what I talk about it's hard to wrap your head around it right like man why am I even sitting here

because y'all came and got me I couldn't believe it I couldn't believe it when y'all showed up I signed up to be an expendable asset to die if necessary that was the sexiest thing i ever heard of i was nobody i'm you know i have a special skill i was expendable asset you work till you become dependable and they'll kind of keep you around so when y'all showed up i couldn't believe it i couldn't believe it i remember talking to them guys like man i can't believe

y'all made it out here we We were out in the middle of nowhere. And then the first time I ever got scared was when they were with me and trying to get me out of there. I was like, hey, man, I hope y'all can get me out of here. Is that selfish? I was like, man, I hope that's not selfish, is it? I was like, I sure would like to live, man. And they threw – I mean, it was a – to get me out of there was the – it's a whole different movie altogether.

Those Green Berets and those Rangers and PJs that were on that plane, the pilots, like Spanky, he was one of the pilots at Skinny. When they came in, they came in to crash. They don't ever talk about that. He had to crash that bird on the side of a mountain to get in there, and he did it. He didn't give a shit. He's like, watch this, Boom. And just brought it in.

I mean, there was a gunfight going on from the top and the bottom. Every aircraft we had in country was wagging, like, spinning overhead. The Spectres, that's the hand of God. Or the finger of God. I mean, the weaponry we have, man, they can look down on you and just erase you. And they got me out of there. I couldn't believe it. I hadn't thought about that in a while.

What is it like to talk about this now? All these years later. Does it... Is it... Are you trying to pull these memories back? Do you understand these memories clearly? Oh, yeah, I got them. Got them locked in?

Yeah, yeah. That's on purpose. So I'll never forget what we had to go through. So the greatest gift I ever got down there was my friends. I love them. I love my friends like you can't believe. So the guys I grew up up with When I joined the military They kind of separated us

Right And then I found their doppelgangers Right And I They raised us up And we signed up for hell They put us through hell All of us

And they They put us through things And like hey man You know you go through this This and the other And then they sent me overseas And they killed every one of them In front of me

I didn't like that I've been through a lot I can deal with a lot i mean there's some things that don't even affect me that will cripple most people like what everything else life throws at you because of what you've been through well no my blessing was that i don't ever hold a grudge i don't like if we go through something we get over it we're good let's just get through it right but then if you kill my friends if you hurt my friends I have a problem with that like I don't like that at all and my Nate they killed him in front of me and then I was like I didn't know what to do I didn't know what to do especially coming back to the team you

know with all my buddies like I mean what happened 19 dudes died and I didn't know what to do, especially coming back to the team, you know, with all my buddies. I'm like, man, what happened? 19 dudes died. And I didn't make it out of there. Y'all had to come get me. I mean, they whipped our ass bad. So I always try to think about it like, man, all right, you know, there's got to be one guy down there that gets his ass kicked so everybody can

look at it like, hey, you can get an ass whooping and come back. You just can't. So I had to continually tell myself that. And everybody I would run into, when they put me on the lecture circuit and I got to run into all of our people and everything, they were like, hey, good job, man. Proud of you. I was like, thanks.

And then to honor all my buddies, because if I keep telling their story and talking about their names, you'll never forget them. That's kind of what I had to look at. If anybody had to make it through there to tell the story, it had to be you. You got texting, you got to get the gab, you love bragging about your friends. When we were sitting around the tents and everybody was talking about getting out, they're like, I'm going to start this t-shirt company.

I'm going to be a podcaster. I'm going to be a CEO and make a billion dollars. And we have those. All I ever wanted to do was buy a bunch of land and have my friends live on it so we could just hang out and uh that was my blessing so you know going through that and then going back and watching other guys die then after i got out extortion went down they killed 31 of my teammates best friends my brother distortion yeah when there was a heli extortion operation when 31 seals died it was right after it was after red wing there was a ranger battalion they got into a a gunfight a tick troops in contact and it was dev group guys

gold squadron and they went in on a on a 47 to to help out and they got blown out of sky and killed 31 guys right then. I remember I was in D.C. when that phone call came over. I was in a hotel. I'm fixing to give a speech the next day. And my buddy called. He's like, hey, we lost some boys. I was like, okay. How many? And the first time he called me, he was like, seven.

And then he was like, 12, 15, 16, 19, 20. 22. He would keep calling me back. Up until the point where it was like 31 guys 31 dude that's a that's a that's a third of the platoon a dev group guys the most highly trained individuals we have on the planet and i died in a in a heartbeat my brother's roommate was on that bird all them guys i mean what's a small community that one that guy you have out here watching out for you i mean we're connected so i it's like our whole life man it's always been that we sign up for it chris kyle when he got killed i mean it's kind of like all these guys

that we grew up with the young boys they're just dead they died and you learn how to deal with that until you get to the point where we're at right now. So when the younger generation is going through it, it's like, hey, it's part of it. Like I told you, you came down here to learn how to live while you're dying. Anybody who checks out early is because they got the job done. We haven't. I mean, don't look at it any other way. Was there ever a part of you that tried to understand what those guys who were in afghanistan were going through who were attacking you yeah like imagine them not understanding your language or understanding who

you are or why you were there but recognizing that in their eyes this enemy was on their mountain sure the same thing and them coming over here. Yeah, exactly the same thing. I mean, the village that saved me, I love them. We go fishing and we hang out. We're exactly the same. We live in two different areas. They take things a certain way.

We take things a certain way. Are you still in contact with those guys? Yeah. They live here. They live here now? Do they really? Yeah. Yeah, they're here.

100%. Wow. How'd they get over here how do you think you got them over here man you do me a favor i'll do you a solid well you don't have to say where exactly yeah they're over here yeah kids going to college i gotta deal i gotta deal with them all the time i mean it's amazing i still talk to him he still yells at me you know it care of me Like Cause he saved You know He saved me

Protected me So when he talks to me He yells at me And I'm like I love you too man He speaks English? No No?

But his kids do Oh wow I speak enough of his language To understand Like when we talk That's amazing When he yells at me I'm like

I know it Cause they'll They're funny What's his name? Muhammad Gulab. Muhammad. Muhammad Gulab. Yeah, Muhammad.

And you have Muslim friends? Yes. Okay, good. So you know when they get upset about it, they're like, this is an atrocity. God will smite you down. I'm like, I know. And then they'll look at you like, I love you. I don't want to talk about this anymore.

They're so great. They're so great. I mean, if you kind of understand, they're like the serious hand. There's certain things they don't mess around with, and there's certain things that they'll get upset about, but then they'll get over. And with me, I was kind of helpless. I was just laying there when he found me.

I was in a river, lying. And he's like, hey, what's up? There's's a white boy down here let's get him out of here and then like now now he can't get rid of me now he has to live here with me and deal with all that and i it's so funny because he has 11 kids they're you know they're just multiplying that they do that then uh it's a thing and uh i deal with them just like I deal with the other family member. I mean, like, I'll never forget him. And people will tell me, like, well, you know, he yells at me. I'm like, man, you don't know what we've been through.

When that dude found me, huh. And then he'd been shot. I mean, you can't believe what that dude went through to get me back here. What he put up with up to this point. That's why he's here. Because how many times they tried to kill him. So you extracted him? Not me personally, but I mean...

You had them. Yeah, well, I mean, one thing feeds the other, right? Right. I'll never take credit for anything that everyone else had to put a hand into, but he's here now dealing with everything else that every other texan has to deal with including me i tell you what a big good one like get me and him in here together i would love that let's do it you know how funny that'd be he yells at me all the time i'm 100 in let's go yeah he's i think i'm a disappointment in his eyes

how great is that? He's like, man, I saved your ass, Kirk. I mean, you better get to bed. You're not even president yet. He's like, I mean, he'll get so upset about some stuff. And he's like, this is, I don't even, God. He's like, what's for dinner? Let's get that.

You know, those get over it so quick. They're great. I mean, like once you learn how they yell at you, I mean, a lot of people are scared to death of that whole thing but if you have to if you have to be saved by it like i was helpless i was freaking helpless and why did he save you i said god spirit man is this good man he's a freaking good man and then i asked him for help so there's a code there's a pastuali code and i was laying there and i looked up at him and i was bleeding i didn't realize how bad i looked till i got home and i got off the when they dropped the ramp on

the plane and they were carrying me off there and there was there was a girl sitting there i'll never forget her covering her face crying i was like I must have looked a lot worse than I thought. But no matter what I looked like, he got me back here. I couldn't believe it. Man, we went through some crazy times out there. Crazy times. I couldn't walk anywhere. I was a big man.

They were hauling my ass everywhere around that mountain. We laid up in the middle of the night. People trying to kill us. Cars blowing up. It was the craziest time. And they were just kind of like, it's a Wednesday. That's what I thought. I mean, I found...

Isn't that crazy? Somebody like that. He didn't owe me nothing. Matter of fact, I probably caused him more grief than i did anything and no matter how much i try to repay him it's always uh that's weird what a situation right yeah i mean i can only imagine what your uh perspective is well looking back on it that it's just this thing that became...

I got another one over here. It became pop culture. It became a movie. It became the way people... For civilians who look at what's going on over there, they can look at it through news stories, but the only way you see it live is either through some sort of video coverage

of the reality or something like your situation where you can't see a video you have to have a movie where it's a recreation of it and it's hard for people to understand that's one of the beautiful things what Peter did in that film

is that he made it there's no there's no glamorization of it was it was horrific and as realistic as I could understand as a person who's never experienced war imagine having a neighbor you don't like or you understand and then you get into the worst situation he steps up to help you then you're like all right yeah i don't get along with him man i don't even like that food i mean it tears me up and i gotta be no one i'm gonna sit here and deal with it just because i freaking love you yeah i mean because because of that if he's

willing to put out like that i mean, that's how friendships are formed. The guys I grew up with, I mean, we fought together. Families, you can be born with them and you can shed blood with them. And like them guys that are just willing to stick it out, I mean, that's a thing.

Yeah. And I was, I mean, this guy didn't owe me nothing. In the hand of God, right? He came showing up. I mean, I was in the middle of nowhere. You can't even believe it, bro. I can't even believe we're talking about this i should have been dead a long time ago man i he come walk i'll never forget looking at him i'll never forget his face did you ever feel

like there was a reason why he found you sure of course yeah always Like you're meant to tell this story? Well, I mean, we're all meant to go through certain things. And once you kind of, I always looked at it like, I always told, you know, if you don't think God's a wild man, he wouldn't be good at Christianity. So if you want to walk down a rabbit hole, how far do you want to go down? Because there's the kids down here that don't want to do nothing. But if you want to go play, let's go do it.

And then you get down there where you're in the middle of a hole and back in nowhere, and all of a sudden that shows up i mean i was like hey brah's laying in this tree i'm talking about this my wife gonna walk in here and friggin she's like shut up i crawled i remember at the end of the day i woke up i was upside down over this rock it was hot so hot i remember my mouth was full of blood i couldn't i couldn't drink enough to at the end of the day, I woke up. I was upside down over this rock. It was hot. So hot. I remember my mouth was full of blood. I couldn't drink enough to quench the blood and mud out of my mouth. And I flipped over, and I wanted to crawl.

The river was, like, right there, and I wanted to crawl to it, but then all my buddy's blood was running through it. And I was like, no, I'm going to go this way. And I crawled all night, and then I remember the moon, the storm came in, but then it cleared up and I was laying in this tree. It was on the side of a mountain. There's roots laying everywhere. It was huge, huge tree.

And I'd crawled in there to hide. I was like, they won't see me in here. Remember that scene from Predator when Arnold crawls into the deal and he's kind of sitting like that? That's kind of how I was. And I was looking up and I was like, I had enough I was like I was like hey boss man Ivy you hit my you whipped my ass like I can't believe I was like I've had enough man I I I you killed

everything around me I'm humbled I was like just get me out of here and I'll make sure that I take care of it you know know what's crazy, Marcus? I had a dream last night, and I'm remembering it now, where I had mud in my mouth. I had dirt in my mouth, and I couldn't rinse it out. I've never had a dream like that before. But it's a dream because I knew I was going to be talking to you. Yeah, that's why I'm here.

So that's what it's like, right? When your mouth's so dry, water won't quench it. It's like when that bud, I mean, the heat. I remember, so in war movies, if you could put smell through the theater, it would be real because that's what an impulse is. And I remember that. When men get to the point where we fight so hard

we want to kill each other, tear each other apart, there's something that happens. It's like you can't turn it off. It's like a ravenous. I mean, like I want to kill you. You know that kind of thing? Like I want to kill you. Not only, I want to tear you apart.

And we fight like that because you see your buddy fall and you're like, ah, come on. It's so hard to turn off. And then I remember thinking that that was my appetite, that I'd been there, that I'd fought so hard that I couldn't swallow. Like I wasn't allowed to talk. I remember that, thinking that. So, yeah, that mud and that blood when you're sitting there and you're thinking about it, you're like, man, all I have to do is sit and watch like i need to but the crazy

thing for me i've never had a dream like that before and i bring weird shit in man you name but it's it is this i think there's some sort of synchronicity going on man because i got up in the middle of the night to take a leak it was like three o'clock in the morning i'm like what the fuck kind of dream is that i got a dream that where there was like dirt in my mouth and i couldn't i was trying to spit it out i was trying to drink and i was dying of thirst but i had to get the dirt out of my mouth first and i've never had a dream like that before marcus and having this dream before talking to you it's it's it's it's freaking me out man so a storm hit last night i woke up at three o'clock i kind of do that i think that's like a transition sometimes at the middle of the night and there's that there's that the witching area right yeah

the thunder and the lightning yeah but it's a it's almost like a taste that you've you push so hard that you're like hey you shouldn't be killing them like that you guys are brothers and that right you know when you fight your brother so hard, you're like, man, I'm... Right. Because you're right. I mean, hey, shouldn't we like... I mean, we could probably get along famously. We do.

But, oh, yeah. You can't believe what comes in with me, man. I didn't mean to put a hex on you. No, I think there's some way... And Elon say he was an alien, right? You can't believe what I am. You're a predator. There's a connection that we must have made.

It doesn't make any sense, man, because there was no reason for me to have this dream. But I had this dream where I couldn't get the dirt out of my mouth to get the water in, but I needed to get the water in. That's crazy. It's crazy i remember it's crazy that i'm i'm remembering this now i remember looking at mikey i don't know if i'm sure i've told this story before but we kind of sat down halfway through shut up we're all busted up and look over him he had this he had this mud in his mouth like in his teeth and everything i

was like hey bro i was like you got something in your teeth? I'll never forget that. I was looking at him in the middle of all this, and mine was the same way. I was bleeding through. I couldn't even speak. It was just kind of one of them deals. And Danny sat down. He's like, man, I've been shot again.

That's not funny. I'm sorry. But it's funny to you right now. I understand. I understand. But his mom's going to haze my ass. It's not funny. But he sat down.

He's like, bro, I've been shot again. I was like, you little bastard. He's like, Mikey goes, we've all been shot. Just keep going. I was like, yeah, but Mikey, you got some. I'll never forget that. And it just kept. That was the hardest part.

That was the hardest part, man, was that. Like my nose had been kicked through my face i couldn't breathe through my and every time i take a breath i got swallowed my tongue i was like it was the hardest thing that's what kind of what shut it down like we fought so hard to they shut the engines down i mean i can't breathe no more and then i then we got blown up. And that's kind of the end of it. But I was like, man, yeah, that happened. It's crazy that I had that dream. Now that I'm thinking about it, it's like there's, I think there's, I think like people's thoughts and ideas and consciousness,

sometimes when someone has had an experience that's so intense as yours that it reaches out and it it grabs a hold of other people's consciousness it touches it and it i think i mean i don't know i know this sounds crazy but i think it touched me in the middle of the night because i knew i was going to talk to you today and it hit me you don't think that's a real thing i think think it's a real thing. Okay, good. I think it's a real thing. I hope so, man, because it is. I hope you know that.

I woke up confused. I woke up with dirt in my mouth. I was thinking, why do I have this feeling? I woke up to take a leak and then I'm like, this is an intense experience of this dream where I had dirt in my mouth and I needed to i and i needed to drink water but i couldn't i was trying to rinse the water out to get the dirt out of my mouth so i could drink water and it wouldn't work but the the fact that i've never i'm 53 years old i've never had that dream before so the thing was is i had lost all my water and i was the one place i could so that was when

i was drinking my blood my like urinating I mean in nothing like you couldn't I couldn't get it out and I even so much when they found me I couldn't it was like glued shut and uh

man I hadn't thought about that since that day but yeah I uh I'll never forget that how much it felt like somebody shoveled

like dirt in my mouth and then mixed it with blood. So dry that water couldn't get it wet. Yeah, it was a real thing. That's why it's so crazy that I had that dream last night. That's not crazy. I've never had that dream before. It's just crazy that I've had that dream last night,

knowing that I was going to talk to you today. I didn't know that part of the story. Nobody does. It does, yeah. It was so real. I think your experience, in some strange way, connected my mind, connected to my mind last night. I told you earlier, I mean, you run into somebody, like we're all connected.

Yes. That's how it works. Like the more you go through and the more you open up, the more you open yourself up. And then whoever runs into your life, you're part of that. So, yeah, that's absolutely a real thing. It is a real thing. It just doesn't seem like it should be real. Why?

I don't know, because it seems magic. It seems like there's no way of thought. You don't believe in magic? I do. Oh, what the hell's the problem? I do, but I don't. Wait a minute. You don't believe in magic? I believe in it, but the hell's the problem? I do, but I don't. Wait a minute. You don't believe in magic?

I believe in it, but I believe a lot of people pretend. Oh, well, yeah. A lot of people are full of shit. They are. They are, man. That's the problem. But there's a lot of people that aren't. Yes, a lot of people aren't.

Well, then there you go, man. It's like, man, sometimes you run into things. You're like, well, I thought this was going to be. And then you run into the one that's like the real deal. You're like, oh, yeah. But as you go through life, it's hard to sort out. It's like you've got to sort out what's real and what's not real and that's why you appreciate the real so much it's because you've experienced so much bullshit and so much nonsense the way i was always taught to think about that is everyone thinks of perfection like

if we were all look at the like this perfect picture what is perfection it's imperfection because something that you love is something that i i want something you think is beautiful yeah maybe i don't yeah and as you go through life when you break up that perfect picture you get the pieces and like some pieces fit together that aren't supposed to be together yes right like men and women and then as you go through it and that when the when the connection comes in like you're supposed to be here and you're supposed to see this and you're supposed to learn that and then it kind of creates that picture and imperfection is perfection it depends on what side of the picture you're on

and as we go through this everybody has their stage in life and and at no point in time is it bad it's hard yeah because you're not ready for it but we learn i think the problem is the word perfection is not a human word that No, it's not, right? The word perfection works with puzzle pieces. A puzzle piece fits into the other spot because it's supposed to be there. But with human beings, there's so many variables. The word perfection is not adequate. And it's not applicable because the best people aren't perfect.

You don't want a perfect person then you get a dr manhattan dude we married our opposite yeah exactly in our world like where you and i grew up martial art world i mean that everything that we learned how to do like you and i running together the last two we should have been hooking up with them too yes exactly exactly but that's the best two because it's not a perfection thing it's a you know and some some sort of compatibility thing yeah you know and it's also like recognizing that you need these opposites and these different forces in order to get you to understand yourself better and how you relate to other people and that if there are everyone's

different and then the best way to experience that is to encounter these different people and to love them yep yeah yeah some people i i mean like with the some people come up like hey immediately you're supposed to love this person you're supposed to love what they are i'm like where does that exist that's not how it works like first we're gonna get to know you and then we get to like each other and then we'll love each other yeah you know what i mean it's kind of a a process but in the beginning you're supposed to think all right the opposite let me go get to know what this is and then even there the the worst stuff they come at you with you're actually prepared for it whether you know it or not so when when you come in there, and then over time, the odd couples, they're the best.

I mean, who's your odd couple friend? I know you've got a friend that people wouldn't even express. I mean, couldn't even expect to have, right? Oh, I've got a lot of them. Same here. Yeah. And with you and I, man, what we are, what we're designed to be. We're trained for certain reasons. You have a reputation.

So when they see us palling around with something completely opposite of us, like, what the hell is going on? I'm like, man, it's entertaining. I love it. But that's a sign of strength. Strength, yeah. You can appreciate people that are different from you. And I think there's also a reality that whoever you are is different

when you're around different people. Like I'm different around you than i am around a different person and it's like you're not you're not autonomous you're not completely independent of the people that are around you you are some sort of a conglomeration of all the people that you interact with and i'm different around you than i am around someone who's annoying or frustrating and i'm different around that person than i am around someone who's annoying or frustrating. And I'm different around that person than I am around someone who's like kind and like really easygoing and maybe like too open-minded. You know, I'm different around different people. And who I am around you is a reflection not just on who I am, but also in how I react to who you are. That's one of the things

about relationships that's so important. There's a lot of people that are good people that get in relationships with the wrong person and it becomes chaos. It's not that that person's bad or that you're bad, but the two of you together, it's wrong. That's what I told you. If you encapsulate both of those

like the sin or the virtue, stand by for the ride. Exactly. I got a meme the other day that said that, it was like, man, you're going to talk to people that love me and you're going to talk to people

that hate me. They're both true. They're both right. Yes. Exactly. 100%. Exactly. Never forget that.

Yes. So, but when we go into those situations like with you and I, like, hey man, I'll get as bad as you want. I'll go down and deep around that rabbit hole as you want to go.

I'll go deep. I mean, come on, where it's just me and you. Nobody else wants to hang around. Yeah, yeah. And then we'll get back to it, and then you'll kind of run into everybody, like, oh, I'll hang out with him until this point. And there are certain guys down here that are like that, and that's a true statement.

Yeah, it is a true statement. Everything's different down here, 100%.'s perfection yeah the the beauty in life is in the imperfection right correct that's perfection imperfection is perfection right yeah and imperfection is complete it's like there's a there's there's a chaos to life that's not just preferable. It's better that way. So good. So good. I mean, if everything was regular, like I get up, I go do this thing.

Boring as fuck. Boring. Boring. Nothing gets done. Nothing gets done. Nothing gets done. No new art gets created. Let's wreck some stuff to build some stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. Period. When we were talking about how the cycles of life and what we're going through right now, it's the same way. It's like, man, the millennials, I can't even imagine the generation that came out, like the 2020s. Yeah. Phoenixes, right?

They were born in chaos. Born in pandemic, freaking. I know. And now they're coming out. They're still tearing stuff up, but they'll be fine, right? Yeah. And the people that are taking advantage of the situation and want to impose all sorts of weird rules on people,

that's natural too. That's the natural inclination to take advantage of this, like this recognition that there is some sort of a weakness in our culture. 100%. And they just have to attack it. That's it. Whether they're attacking it and calling everybody racist or everybody sexist or everybody homophobic,

it's natural. It's natural for them to want to do that because they recognize an opening. 100%. Yeah. 100%. Like, hey, man, you're a racist. All right, whatever.

No, I don't like... I love black people. I don't like... I love black people. I don't like you. You know what I mean? It's like when we go through this, especially with our generation, they put us into situations like, no, I'm not.

I'm not what you say I am. You just don't know what I am, but everyone will take their opportunity to jump in there. Right. And with us, once you've been through so much, you've been called so much,

and you kind of sit back, you're like, okay, all right, fine. But, you know. It's one of the more unique aspects of being a person is this recognition that there are people that will capitalize in these weird little openings in society and culture, and we're in a weird time right now. Because of the advent of social media and also this weird situation we're in

where there's so many wars going on currently there's so much chaos there's so much like there's conflicts the conflicts a better word than wars there's conflict with china conflict with russia conflict with syria this conflict internally there's conflict with the right and the left there's conflict with people that want want to be a socialist or a capitalist there's conflict that people that want to be a socialist or a capitalist. There's conflict with people with every fucking aspect of our culture. There's these weird little struggles for dominance. Yeah. Absolutely, 100%.

You want to get into that? Yeah. You want to? Yeah. Use the restroom? Yeah, go pee. Is that sure? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Go ahead. We'll pause. Jamie and I will talk about you. All right. We'll be right back