The Joe Rogan Experience - #1652 - Anthony Cumia

Episode Date: May 14, 2021

Anthony Cumia is an on-air personality, host of "The Anthony Cumia Show", and founder of the Compound Media streaming network.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day young anthony cumia my friend good to see you everyone calls me that young anthony well he's young jamie so you must be young anthony, there is not a fucking show on earth that inspired me to do a podcast more than Opie and Anthony. I love hearing that. It's a fact. To be a part of the cycle that you went through in your head to build this empire that you now have, I'm honored. It's 100% true, and it's not just that. It's also you when you were doing live from the compound,

when you were doing it from your house in the basement with a machine gun singing karaoke. The hobby. With a green screen behind you. I was like, he's having so much fun. Jamie, do we have a bottle opener? I thought this was a regular one. Is it?

I can open a bottle with anything, by the way. I can open with a lighter. I can do that. Yeah, a lighter. My dad taught me with a lighter. I can do that. Yeah, lighter. Yeah. My dad taught me with a belt buckle when I was out in California learning to be a man under my father's tutelage. This is from Phil's buddy.

What was Phil's buddy's name? The guy that, Phil Demers. His buddy who's like a big time beer freak. You got to try some of this. It's very interesting. It's beer, but it does not taste like regular beer, but it's very good. And I slum it all the time with just Bud's. Yeah, I mean.

People are like, oh, Bud was. It's like, nothing better. You could pound a case of Bud's sitting out by the pool. But then occasionally. Cheers. Try something else. Cheers, Joe. Good to see you. Good to be, Joe. Good to see you.

Good to be in Austin. Good to be here. Weird, right? Definitely a lemony thing going on. Yeah, it's got a lemon on the cover. A lot of lemon. Wow. It's called foos.

This really pinches the back of your tongue. Yeah, it says wheat beer with peaches. Oh, it's a peach. Oh, there's a peach in there, too? It looks like a lemon. It tastes like a lemon. I guess it looks like a heart with a leaf. That ain't bad.

Good stuff. Yeah. I can't imagine. I always have to think, whatever I'm putting in me alcohol-wise, what'll that taste like coming out? And this would probably hurt. A lot of heartburn. You think?

Yeah. If you were throwing it up? If you're throwing it up. I don't think so. I think it'd be pretty smooth. It's not that bad. Shouldn't you not throw up from drinking after like 40? You shouldn't, but you're probably going to occasionally.

It comes with the territory. It depends on how deep you go. Yeah, yeah. You're not going as deep as you are in your 20s. Sometimes you want to throw up, right? Sometimes you get back to your house and you're just like, let me just get this out of me. You do the finger thing. Just so you feel

better just so you can sleep and it's it's funny if you got a girl in the house you have to uh you think you're being quiet but there's no being quiet when you're especially that dry he sounded into an echo chamber yeah yeah porcelain echo it's like the old victrola speaker it's just pumping out your groans so we were talking before this uh podcast started that you when you left opie and anthony you went and decided to do your own thing behind a paywall yeah so you're you're like in this position you're sort of uncancellable there's you don't have all the trappings that everybody else has in terms of sponsors and people coming after you. You just have subscribers. Yeah, this was a conscious decision because I saw it coming a while ago.

The what they call cancel culture thing. Well, you guys get hit with it first out of all the people that I've ever heard of. Because when you guys had that homeless person on who said he wanted to – what did he say? He wanted to rape Condoleezza Rice? Condoleezza Rice and the Queen of England and the First Lady. I got to say something about that, though. We had just gotten to satellite radio from FM radio. And to us, this was like, all right, it opens up a whole new world of what we can do.

To us, this was like, all right, it opens up a whole new world of what we can do. So I thought, what better place to just showcase a homeless person? Let's see what rantings and ramblings come out of a homeless person's mind. So bring him up in the studio, put him in front of a mic, and let him go off. It's satellite. No FCC rules and regs. And the guy starts talking about crazy stuff and raping political figures and the Queen of England. And we think it's hilarious because you're getting that insight.

You're getting into the mind of a crazy homeless guy on the street. And the shit hits the fan. Oh, my God. Condoleezza Rice that brings the sex thing in and the race thing and all that. And they lost their mind. And we were like, oh, shit, we're getting fired again? Like, we're going to get fired for this. You didn't get fired, but you guys got suspended for how long? We got suspended for, I think it was a month.

I think that was a month suspension from satellite radio. But we were still at k-rock in new york doing that show in the morning because we used to do both yeah we used to go across with the microphone yeah i did that with you guys we did the walkover terrestrial and then we would broadcast live as we were walking down new york city with mics yeah comics and we would go to the other studio yeah we would do things occasionally like rich Voss would go into a diner or something and just start doing stand-up in front of the customers. It was hilarious.

Cringe stand-up. Cringe stand-up. These people don't know what's happening, and stupid big club soda Kenny would announce them, ladies and gentlemen, they're looking like a mass shooting is going to start. And it was hilarious. You guys were the birth of podcasts. It was a podcast on the radio. We didn't know it at the time.

Nobody knew what a podcast was. But it was a bunch of guys that you find funny, you like hanging out with, talking about anything. And that seems to be what the formula is. You guys figured it out first because every other radio show that I did, like if I did Stern or anything else you did, it was very formatted. Regimented, yeah. Like he had some things he wanted to talk to me about, Fear Factor. He wanted to talk to me about the UFC.

He had questions about this. And, you know, it's always like, and then you have a call in, and then you have celebrity guests. And he had it all always like, and then you have a call in and then you have celebrity guests. And he had it all like very smooth. You guys would just bring a bunch of people in. Yeah. And then Patrice would start talking and Burr would start talking and Ari would start talking. It was just chaos.

Dude. And we were all just having fun. Just having fun. Yeah. When you have a room of those guys, Nick DiPaolo and Patrice, God rest his soul, and Bill Burr, Norton, all these guys, Colin Quinn, they're all in a room you can't lose. People will hear it and say, holy shit, that was one of the funniest shows. And it's like, what show? The Opie and Anthony show.

So people remember the name of the show, but all these other guys are delivering this amazing, funny comedy. So it worked that way. And we embraced that and just started bringing these comics back on in different combinations. Because you know better than anyone, some of the funniest stuff you'll ever hear are guys shitting on each other. Yeah. And when someone

was in, we called it being in the barrel. And that could consist of wearing a shirt. You come in wearing a shirt and Patrice goes, what the fuck? What kind of shirt is that you wear? Where the fuck you get? And now everyone's on your shirt.

Now you're sitting there going, you're looking at all the comics going, what can I use to get this off me? So you'd have to shit on Voss's teeth. Right, always. So it was this constant battle to get the shit off of you. And it was funny every fucking time. And you guys were so great at letting the comics just go wild and not put any restrictions on anybody and not try to control the conversation. Just let it have fun. Just let it breathe.

A lot of shows, a lot of hosts. And this is something you do that is fantastic and rare in the business. Let your guests talk. Let them. And if you have a guest, a room full of guests, let them and if you have a guest a room full of guests let them have fun if if you hear funny shit going on a lot of people their ego gets in the way yeah and they feel hey it's my show my name's on the marquee i have to jump in and say something if something funny's happening back off leave it the fuck alone it's it's gonna be great people are gonna love it and they're gonna go

oh that was on the opiate anthony show So it doesn't really matter who's saying it. Yeah. You guys had figured it out. It really is the birth of podcasts. And I learned a lot from doing that show. And I also learned that I wanted to do it because when I would do your show, I was like, God, I want to do a show like this. I want to do something like this. Because it was, you know, when I did regular radio, if I did on tour, I would say, oh, that may be fun to do something like this because it was it was you know when I did regular radio if I did on tour I would say oh that may be fun to do a regular radio show but then I would be like they will never hire me I will say

something stupid I'll get fired this is not going to work out for me but I do your show and I'd be like huh I'd be like this is this I think I can do this I think I can do this I was paranoid because I never went to school for radio. I was in construction until my early to mid-30s, dude.

I got into radio late. And my impression was always, if I didn't know the alloy of the metal in the transmitter antenna, there's no way you're getting into radio. Like, I thought you had to know all the shit that they taught you in radio school. to radio. I thought you had to know all the shit that they taught you in radio school. And the fact of the matter was, these jocks were constantly looking for somebody that was entertaining.

I never realized how desperate a lot of these jocks are for somebody that could make people laugh. Someone with varied interests too. Someone who was interesting. Who could talk about different things. Talk about a lot of different things.

You know, sometimes you got to talk out your ass. Like, you almost kind of know what it's about. Yeah, for sure. But this, the other thing about, like, what you guys did was you created a safe place for men. Like, where you could just be a fucking idiot. One of the last bastions that's the thing it's like there's a lot of men out there but there's not a lot of entertainment that's geared towards men and one of the things that comes up on my podcast when the advertising people get to

talk and they're like jesus christ he's got like 94 men like what is going on here this is crazy i'm like they're not represented they're not men are not represented it's like i don't know what the number is of regular television but it's not geared towards men no not at all it's there's some there's like the talk and the view and there's a lot of these shows that are geared towards women but it turns like a man show you can't have a like a male oriented show on network television. It would be toxic. It's a personal affront to feminism and women. And regardless, it's just men being men.

Which is weird, right? I don't know where this idea came from that in the past even couple of decades, which, you know, relative to a tortoise or a mayfly, you know, it varies how long a period of time that is. But in that period of time, we as humans were supposed to have physically and mentally evolved to this point where men don't still want to talk about tits and cars and lifestyle stuff and bash each other, guns, of course. Lifestyle stuff and bash each other. Guns, of course.

I think there are people that actually think we have evolved out of that. You know why? Because there's a lot of men. Instead of being brainwashed. A lot of men that are henpecked and they work in some terrible job where human resources is breathing down their neck and they have neutered themselves and they put themselves in this position of like this sort of like non-man and then non-man yeah and then because of that they they chastise other free men like look at this this is toxic masculinity and it's finest form they say all these crazy things like it can't

be you're not free it doesn't and it's also equated somehow or another with cruelty with being a bad person yeah being a shitty person just by joking around or doing the things that we like to talk talking about the things that we like to talk about yeah yep I hear punching down a lot there's a bad thing I was your whole show yeah that was the entire show the entire 20-year history of the Opie and Anthony show, there was never a punch that got past the 180-degree mark. You guys don't get enough credit. I really say it every time I can that you were the inspiration for podcasts, without a doubt. It really is.

I think for what Howard did for the shock jock genre in radio, we kind were right at that precipice of of radio and podcast yes when when that happened and i think what we were doing was better suited to a podcast than it was a radio show yeah i think so too but it was a great radio show yeah but it was a great radio show it's just the problem is the suits yeah the problem was not the content the problem was the suits the problem is people go hey, you can't this is not like Meemaw, did you just see what happened? Everyone was crying laughing? That's the attainment. Yeah, that's what they want Yeah, it got to a point where early on even when I got in which was again late in the game But early on in the 80s and 90s all they gave a shit about were ratings. If you had ratings and you did something stupid, you'd get this slap on the wrist in public

and behind the door with the GM and the PD and all the other management people, they'd be like, oh my God, that was great. Great job. Oh, look, take off a week paid. We'll say you're suspended. That's it. They really did this. And we went through a few of those.

And it turned into they really did get mad. And they really started suspending you without pay and firing you. And these were these suits, like you say, that just didn't understand the talent end of the business anymore. And when radio stations were owned by mom and pop operations, we were at WAF up in Massachusetts, and it was owned by Zappas Communications. I met Zappas.

I met the guy. When we went to Infinity Broadcasting, there was no Mr. Infinity. There was Mel Karmazin, and there was all the suits from CBS. And CBS has affiliates, and they also deal in laundry detergent with this subsidiary. And you say something, and baby diapers don't sell. That's when it got really fucked up, and personalities weren't able to do what they do anymore,

because now you're fucking up their sales in the burger industry. And Zappas owned a fucking radio station. Yeah. And he loved when his radio station got ratings. That was all there was to it. Now it's all a conglomerate of bullshit. As things get big, when they get bigger, things generally get more complicated and you lose any freedom.

You lose any of the magic one of the best things that happen with this podcast like in in this weird journey from doing it in my my spare bedroom to doing it in a weird studio to all the way to spotify is this is the fucking show. Yeah. It's a skeleton crew. And there's some people behind, they're like, I have a manager. And then there's some people that like argue with her. And I don't pay attention.

I go, we all right? We good? I'm not listening. So I'm never involved in meetings. I don't have any conversations with advertisers. I have no conversations with suits. Spotify has never said a goddamn thing to me. They're amazing.

Isn't that great? They're fucking great. They don't say shit. And I tested it too. Like when I brought Alex Jones on, I was like, let's see. Let's see. You guys talk a lot of shit. Let's see. Fluoride. Fluoride turns the frogs gay. Yeah. And you're like, oh, okay. It wasn't fluoride? No. I think fluoride. Some other stuff. It might be something else. Well, it's the frogs gay. Yeah. And you're like, oh, okay. It wasn't fluoride? No, it's some other stuff.

It might be something else. Well, it's the phthalates, right? Whatever it is, it's obviously the globlest. Yeah. I love that guy. That fucking guy is right way more than he's wrong. Oh, my God, yes. Way more, especially now when people are talking about actual microchips being injected into

your arm to see if you have COVID-19. He's like, I fucking told you, Joe Rogan. It sounded preposterous years ago when he was saying a lot of this stuff. And as it all starts coming to fruition, you're like, wait, Alex Jones had it? He was the guy that was saying all this? But then other people have said he's thrown so much shit against the wall, something's got to stick. That's true, too.

That's true, too. But I think it's like, honestly, he's right 80% of the time. Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong. I adore the guy. I sit in for his show. I was doing every Thursday, I would do the last hour of his show. I'd do a crossover with him, and then I had the InfoWars logo behind me, and I would do

his show, and it was great. It was fantastic. I love the guy. He's another guy that just has been canceled and has to just keep chugging along. Tell you what, though. They have removed him from all social media and all that stuff, but he's still doing great. Oh, my God. His subscribers are very high, and his studio is two miles from here.

I've done his show. We got hammered. Oh, I know. I've seen. Talked about interdimensional beings. Interdimensional beings. Interdimensional beings? I love the guy. When I see a video, if I see someone send me a video and I see Alex Jones peeking out

of the top of that armored vehicle with a bullhorn, I'm like, I am fucking watching. I've been to that armored thing. He's got that thing out there. He goes, yeah, we got this just in case of protest. Sometimes we go a place and that thief wants to come after us. We just hide in this thing. He's got that thing out there. He goes, yeah, we got this just in case of protest. Sometimes we go a place and that thief wants to come after us. We just hide in this thing. It's hilarious. Like, I think what mainstream media and, you know, the people, the powers that be, they

have so many names in their dark little corners. They discredit people. That's a job. Yes. Is to discredit people that's a job yes is to discredit people to put things out there a preemptive strike of an idea or an opinion or a theory so that when someone says it people already go oh no i heard that's bullshit already like and and that's a job that's a government agency and a job that purposefully discredits people that are getting a little too close to what's real well also how about ideas like here's a big one the idea that this virus came from a lab in wuhan that was so discredited like there was a an article in one of them liberal rags is like Joe Rogan promotes harmful

Lie about you know, Wuhan lab being the source of this virus like no it is most likely most source of the virus Sure, they don't know exactly but there's no transitionary animal. There's no animal that they could show it jumped from this to this so Quickly and it's also efficiently. I mean you saw Rand Paul talking to this to humans. No, so quickly and so efficiently. I mean, you saw Rand Paul talking to Fauci about it. Oh, great. The gain of function research conversation the other day. Yes, I love Rand Paul. The fact that he got him to sort of skirt around the truth. Yeah.

The way he was addressing those things. Yes. And he's like, look, you do fund that. You fund it right here in America. By the way, Dr. Rand Paul. Yes, that's why it helps. Which is a huge issue. They hate that it's Dr. Rand Paul.

And that he actually knows what he's talking about. He knows what he's talking about. He can argue the points. He understands what gain-of-function research actually is. And he knows who the players involved are. He knows the different organizations that are involved. Yeah. There are a few of these politicians that really

do, either they are so good at bullshitting the public, or there's a few that really do seem to be behind the people and what they need and what they want and know how to talk about it. I know one of the rising stars, and he's been in the business for years, is Ted Cruz here in Texas. Ted has come out after the Trump thing from going from this guy that people went, now he's like, tough guy. He gets up there, he starts interrogating these people.

When he was talking to them about censorship. Yes. Yes, it was very good. It was. He was very good at that. Now, do you think he's sincere or did he find a new act it's a hard sell yeah because he got busted going to cancun and he said i wasn't really going to cancun i was just going to come right back but it turned out his ticket his ticket

was like for five days later and he's like well i'm back but back. But meanwhile, you can be good sometimes. You can be right about a lot of things. And I think that's what he is. He's right about a lot of things. Rand Paul, I agree with way more than I think any other politician has been talking about this issue in specific. And he seems very sincere in what he's saying. When he talked to Fauci, he's like, why do you have two masks on? You've been vaccinated. Isn't this theater?

Isn't this theater? And you see Fauci going, I don't, this motherfucker's getting me right now. He's not supposed to say this. Yeah, because that is what it is. Yeah. And Rand is also a guy who had COVID, you know? Yep. The only thing, I want to know why his neighbor attacked him before I fully get behind

him. Isn't that weird? There was no real answer to why his neighbor almost killed him. I know. Broke his lung. Yeah. Tackled him. Snapped his rib.

I mean, what the fuck was going on there? What did you say to your neighbor? Yeah, there were two sides to everything. I don't know. I would like to know both sides. Isn't, you know, obviously his neighbor's wacky because he attacked him from behind and tackled him. Jesus Christ. Any of those neighbor wars are always hilarious. I remember Brewer would tell a story years ago about the pizza guy that lived near him.

And it's a great story. It's way too long to even kind of amend here and tell you. But he was a mental patient. And Brewer had to deal with him. And, you know, Brewer, he's not really into conflict like that. But it's funny. But I love those, especially now with the cameras everywhere. Like that's a – cameras being everywhere has changed our society.

And, again, I don't know. For the good, like social media is terrible. I've said for years, it's one of the worst things that have happened to us as a people. Maybe we shouldn't be able to share so many ideas with each other.

But cameras, have you noticed every crime that happens, they got eight different angles on it now? It's weird. It's amazing. I don't think there's anywhere you can go to kill someone anymore with that, unless you're in a national park somewhere. But even then, you don't know. You were saying they caught that guy that did the mass shooting in Times Square?

Yeah, yeah. They got that guy. They got him on camera, right? A bunch of different security cameras. And you'd think, these aren't good people that you look at the picture and go, oh, I know who that is, but I'm going to keep it cool. Like, people are like, oh, yeah, I'm turning this guy in. So it's very hard to not get caught.

And then he flees down to Florida, which has no mask rules. Wouldn't you want to be where everyone can only see half their face? Yeah, you'd want to go to L.A. And they didn't defund the police. Like, that's the worst place you could go is Florida. They actually refunded the police. They extra-funded the police. Extra-funded.

He gave bonuses out. Yeah. Santorum gave bonuses out. DeSantis. DeSantis, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. DeSantis? Santorum.

He could be the president. He really could. Yeah. People are getting on board here. He's got a sane Trump vibe. Like he's signing things in front of the press. He'll hold it up like Trump did. I don't think it's a Trump vibe at all because he's not bamboisterous.

Is that a word? It should be. It should be. It's not. Right what I'm saying. It describes Trump. I don't know if that's a word. Bamboisterous.

It seems like it should be. But it's more of that in-your-face, unapologetic part. He's unapologetic, but he's actually rational and calm. Yeah Yeah, even when he talked about opening up, Florida and everybody was criticizing him He did it on a chart and he showed we're gonna protect our vulnerable We're gonna he says it calm and it's like an even keel when he has the conversation. There's a crazy There's no crazy spikes, you know, you don't like the crazy spikes? Well, they get people a little nervous.

Dude. I was just, and it's weird because I really can't separate sometimes the entertainer. Pardon everyone charged for defying COVID rules. Wow. He's going to pardon everyone? A lot of people are going to move to Florida. Is it retroactive? If you get busted in New York and you go to Florida and they'll let you off the hook?

Yeah, sure. Like that guy who owns the gym? Justin Florida. That poor bastard. Justin Florida? Yeah. Oh, my God. The guy who owns the gym in New Jersey?

They boarded it up and he's got to bust it down and then the cops show up. I can't imagine these cops want to do this. No. It's the health department. They want to reinforce this idea that they're in control. And then it's a game. Because once they're in control, then you violate that. Especially gyms.

They're literally the healthiest fucking place on earth. It's like where people actually go to get healthy. You're preventing them from... You're keeping them from the one thing that's been statistically proven to aid your immune system other than vitamins exercise exercise yeah it's none of it makes sense no one that goes to a gym is in the the dangerous demo no uh so if you are you're trying to get out of that demo yeah you're you're in the gym because you're trying to get out of the obesity demo yeah yeah doesn't it doesn't anyone see when you think of the beginning of this whole thing, and it was

the flatten the curve thing, the flatten the curve thing was completely based on, hey, we know everyone's eventually going to get this. Yeah. We just need to spread out the time of everyone getting it so we don't get overwhelmed with emergency care and the hospitals and ventilators and whatnot. And that makes sense. I could get it. You get this huge spike and then it goes away.

You want to spread it out. But when did it turn into, well, no, now we're on the no one can ever get it, ever, ever, and we need to keep you from touching each other or being in a sports complex or eating dinner. That was never supposed to be part of it. We were supposed to get this as healthy people getting the flu. Protect the elderly, protect the pre-existing conditions, people with asthma or other problems.

When did it turn into, hey, you want to see a Yankee game? Well, you got to have your phone with a code on it now. And I'm not kidding. I watched this piece about this guy. It was an NBC News piece. This guy goes to Yankee Stadium. He's going to show you what it takes to go to a Yankee game. And he's like, all these steps.

He needed to put his info into a government site to pop a code up on his phone to give to someone with his results, his medical results, to some guy standing in front of Yankee Stadium, taking his temperature, clicking that, and then he goes, and social distancing, and wearing a mask, and then they show him in the seats and he goes, and you're in. Like, what? It was a big, complex thing. Here's how you're supposed to go to the game.

Hey, Bobby, I got a ticket to the Yankee game. You want to go? Okay, cool. Meet me at the subway. There. You're in. Simple as that. I think originally they thought that the virus would burn out if everybody stayed home.

They thought whoever got it would get over it, and then we would go back out, and no one would infect anybody. Yeah. That was a thought. So it wasn't just that everybody was going to get it, we're going to flatten the curve. The idea was like, let the virus burn out because no one's going to reinfect anybody.

But how long was that supposed to take? No one at the beginning was told, hey, guess what? In over a year, you're still going to be dealing with this bullshit. No, they thought it was two weeks. Two weeks, right. Two weeks to flatten the curve. But you know what it's like? It's like a lot of

what Jordan Peterson talked about when he was talking about rules in Canada. That they were trying to enforce rules for required speech. And that when you would do this, he's like, there's a real problem with doing this. If you have compelled speech

laws, he's like, because then they keep pushing it further and further and further like you have to have freedom of speech and it has to be steadfast it's got to be absolute it has to be absolute because even people go well freedom of speech is not that important oh my god man it's so fucking important most because if if you if you alter it a little bit that it leaves wiggle room to continue moving it left and right depending on who's in power. It can go really far left or really far right because it turns out it's not really about what's right or what's wrong. It's about who is in power and what they believe and what ideology they're supporting. That's what you're seeing right now with these social media platforms that have this

ability to just decide what the narrative is and block people from doing things. I talked about this in the podcast. I tried to share a video with a friend where there was a doctor talking about ivermectin. And I was like, you know, because this friend of mine, he knows a lot. He's a very smart guy. And I said, hey, is this true? This doctor saying that ivermectin cures 99% of the people. It's a 99% effective treatment of COVID, particularly if you catch it quickly. So I tried to send it to him in a DM, and it wouldn't send.

Oh, my God. It wouldn't even send. It would not send. So I'm like, maybe my connection fucked up. Let me try it again. And then I sent him a message. For some reason, it's not sending. The message goes through.

That message goes through. I said, let me try to send it again. Try to send it again. No, it wouldn't send. I'm like, oh, my God. Give me your email address, so I had to get his email address He gave me his email address. I sent him so there's an algorithm. That's finding these words exactly. It's not words It's a specific video. It's a specific video itself Okay, so it was a link to this video itself someone had reported it or it had been deemed not worthy for sharing But it's a doctor.

It's an actual medical doctor who treats patients, who's discussing why ivermectin works, the effectiveness of ivermectin, and all of his success that he's had with his clients. Wrong science. What he was saying, though, where it gets disturbing, he was saying that the reason why this is so controversial is because you can't fund vaccines when there's a an effective treatment it's like then there's no there's no incentive

right and i don't know if that's why i think more likely there's people that are that are in social media that are doing these that are in charge of what they censor and not censor they think they're doing the right thing. In their eyes, they're stopping people from promoting harmful propaganda and misinformation. But isn't that, you know, you could go back to the classic, there were a lot of people that thought they were doing the right thing in history. Yeah, exactly. And that's Jordan Peterson's point.

Yeah, yeah. I love Jordan. I love him. My chick actually turned me on to Jordan Peterson's point. Yeah, yeah. I love Jordan. Love him. My chick actually turned me on to Jordan Peterson. And I watch him now, and I just kind of feel bad for him. He seems so, like, beaten down at this point. And I know about his medical problems and addictions and stuff. But you watch a video from three years ago, and this guy had a lot more pep and sounded better.

He'll be back. And now I saw him on Tucker Carlson about a week ago, and I was like, oh, fuck, this guy really seems down. Like mentally, too. He just doesn't have that energy. Well, physically, I think that benzodiazepine, and I talked to Hamilton Morris about that. Apparently, it's one of the most difficult things to kick. It's, it's Benzo's.

What is that like Xanax and. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And some other ones, but Benzo's and alcohol are two of the rare things that when you're addicted to them, they'll kill you if you get off them too quick. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So he had a really hard time of it physically to the point where he's not, I mean, you know, he and I talked about him doing the show again and I said, I really want to do it in person. Like,

let me know when you can do it in person. He's like, I just can't deal with travel right now. I just, I'm not physically capable to travel yet. Dude. I, I did go to rehab for a crime that I committed.

So they said it was, uh, you know, you know, Vinnie brand from the stress stress factory i was going out with his daughter for a while uh danny brand and uh she was just if anyone could push your buttons it was fucking danny brand she was a mental patient i i but you know we're going out she's kind of allegedly allegedly well no no. I can say that.

Disavow, Joe. Disavow. So we'd get into fights all the time. You could talk to every single girlfriend I've ever had since I was 13 years old. And every girlfriend I've had since that episode, none of them will say I'm a physical person when I get into an argument with anybody. This fight was like throwing and breaking each other's phones and yelling. And she's videoing it live. So it's streaming and I'm drunk.

And it was just bad all over. Bad all over. I'm like, if I hadn't gotten fired for the Times Square thing, this would have fired me anyway. So all this shit happens. I grab her hand and I bit her hand. I was just pissed. I was pissed.

I didn't want to hit her or anything. She's just a waif of a girl, you know. And I just bit her hand. I was like, no blood or anything. She just waved a waif of a girl, you know. And I just bit her hand. I was like, no blood or anything. I just bit her hand. Then the fight calms down. We decide to actually drive to the Apple store to buy ourselves new phones. So she gets in the car.

We drive. I come back. Cops all around my fucking house. Because she had streamed it live. She had streamed it live. Someone had saw it and called the cops all around my fucking house because she had streamed it live she had streamed it live someone that saw it and called the cops to come to the house well they bring her in the house i'm standing outside and they bring her in with a girl cop and i'm sure she's like well what happened well did he do this how did he mean this did all that. Before I know it, they're like, they fucking grabbed my pistol. They fucking handcuffed me.

I'm like, I'd never been arrested in my life. Never. For nothing. Ever. And that whole thing started this, my experience with the legal system. And it is fucked. As a guy, you're just screwed and it's this whole thing where you don't even get it's not like tv or the movies i would like to present to you they want everything to

be pled out so i had to plea and sit there and do one of those things where you stand there and go yes i i placed my arm on her throat. When you see they want everything to plead out, is that because the courts are too overcrowded? Yeah, yeah. They just bam, bam, bam. They want shit to just go through. Right. It's nothing.

When we see a trial on television, it's an anomaly. Trials don't happen. Plea bargains happen constantly. And they're never really what happened happened you're you're pleading to something just to get off the hook they told me all right we'll bring it down to a harassment thing it would be like going down the street and you know hey you're an asshole or whistling to a girl right right and and now i could go huh should i spend tens of thousands if not hundred thousand dollars defending myself where a jury could just go, I don't like this guy, and give me the big charge?

Or should I just plea? And then I won't have a felony on my record. I won't have it. I'll have a violation, not even a misdemeanor. So, of course, you take that. But everything gets twisted around. Everything gets twisted. Nothing's real. They've done stories about you in the news where you look and go, oh my God, that is the most inaccurate thing I've ever seen. And you think at first it's just about you. And then you realize,

oh, wait, they're getting everything wrong. It's not just me. Any story they do is a lie. Well, they go towards the most sensational version of it possible because that's their business. Their business is selling clicks. Should have been informing the people. That's kind of naive. That's not as profitable. No, it's not. Back in the old days, I think it was part of TV stations licensing that they had to provide a certain amount of time to

inform the people. So they thought, we'll put a half hour. Some guy will read the news. That'll cover our FCC obligation to inform the people. That's what PSAs used to be about and stuff. It was just filling time that the FCC said, because you're a licensed broadcaster, you need to do these things. And then someone somewhere went, i think we can make money

off of this what who's gonna who's gonna buy time on a news show it's like well if we make the news a little titillating and spike it up a little bit uh and then you got shows like a current affair that came out and all those pseudo news shows and then the regular mainstream media news decided to pick up that outline and format and the days of uh cronkite and huntley brinkley and shit were gone and that's what we're living in now complete lie i don't watch one thing on the news anymore and trust anything they're saying have you ever read uh matt taibbi's book hate ink no that's what it's called right isn't it called hate ink yeah it what it's called, right? Isn't it called Hate Inc.? Yeah.

It's fantastic. He details how this all happened, how it got started. And it's a business model. And that's what's profitable now. And particularly because the internet is all about short attention span, the cycle of interesting things. The news goes in and out so quickly. You've got to captivate people as quickly as possible and the best way to do that is the most sensational

version of something possible and that's how you sell ads and that's how you do this and that's how you do that, just keep it moving but when you realize that fear is part of it, like fear is a great thing, people wanna know if something's gonna kill them or hurt them or their family or their dog

so if you present this horrible scenario people people are going to watch and then they're going to yap about it. And the sponsors will go, oh, a lot of people tuned into this. Let's spend some money here. So what do you think the news company does? God, I hope something crazy scary comes up. Or are they going to make something that's crazy scary? Of course they are. It's their product.

So they're building. It's a factory now of scary, titillating, bloody lies. Yeah. You were getting to something because you said that you got arrested, but you had a whole point to get to. I really did, didn't I, Joe? That went away. All of a sudden I'm thinking, I'm talking about this, and I did have whole point to get to. I really did, didn't I, Joe? That went away. All of a sudden, I'm thinking, I'm talking about this, and I did have a point to get to.

There was something you were getting to. I'm like, man, I want to bring him back to this because I want to know what it is. I know it might have been a relationship thing, which it probably was. Physical, throwing things, biting, phones. Yeah, but that wasn't it. I had gone into it with the intention of veering off to something else and I got tracked on that and it just stuck in my head and now it's gone

yeah well it's understandable it's one of those things we're going to be able to read each other's minds soon I think within the next decade or two you think that's the thing? yeah that's what's going to pull us out of this now that's a scary prospect it is a scary prospect but it's no more scary

than the difference between what it used to be when you left your house and no one knew where you were, to now you have a tag in your backpack and your mom can track you every step of the way. Yeah, yeah, that's a thing. You find my phone, you know, you use find my phone if you're on the same account, you can see where your husband is, you can

see where your wife is, you can see where your kids are, you can find your phone. You go, do-do-do-do, Oh, there it is, downtown. You know where everybody is. And then on top of that, everybody's geotagging their photographs. Everybody's putting their location data in their Instagram pictures. We put way too much out there. We're getting closer and closer and closer to being totally interconnected.

And I think one of the ways it's going to get us out of this, that's going to be the savior of propaganda and bullshit. Wouldn't it be nice if we knew exactly what people were thinking? Oh, I don't know. Well, some people. We kind of have that with social media, things like Twitter, where we know what people are thinking because it's what they present to you. It's more of what they're projecting. It's what they present to you.

It's more of what they're projecting. And you have to use your ability to decipher bullshit to go, oh, this is virtue signaling. This is a guy who's trying to take some heat off of him, so he's going after that guy. And then you would know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Instead of just seeing somebody bullying online, you would know, oh, this is a poor, lonely, douchebag, sad, depressed guy. Everybody attacking people on Twitter is depressed. They're almost all depressed.

Yeah. There's always something wrong with you. Yeah. Yeah. If you're going after people for things like that, unless someone's doing something, like someone's ripping you off and you want to inform people, hey, I'm getting fucked over and this could happen to you. Right.

Here's what's going on. The people that are just attacking people, for the most part, they're trying to bring people down because they're down. That's almost all of it. We've seen it happen quite a few times. My brother is various cover bands. He's a great guitarist and does gigs all over the place. guitarist and does gigs all over the place and because he's my brother some of these people decided to just fuck with him and call some of these venues and say that he's this terrible person they'll make up things and and he's had gigs canceled because of that and it's first of

all i just don't get that mindset why would you do that and it is because these people are just angry and they want no one they want attention was doing that yes yeah exactly so my brother actually started looking into a lot of this and he's called a couple of these people he figured out how to get in touch with them and called them and every single one of them after a little while, says something to the effect of, dude, I was just fucking around. I'm joking. I play guitar too. You know, I heard some of your stuff, man. It's really good.

Oh, no. It turns into this thing like, what the fuck? And my brother's sitting there going, you motherfucker. Like, this guy is now your friend? Like, he's a compatriot of yours? He became a human talking to another human.

Right, a human being. That's why I hate social media. It's so easy to just not care about another name and a picture and a few dozen words. But when you have to face someone face to face face that's why you never see these people at a bar no one walks up to me and goes hey i'm hey would you blow me 4262 you asshole it's like they never approach you in a real place right they love it they love just standing on the sidelines anonymously and and fucking with you well what they don't love is their life. Yeah, yeah. That's obvious. That's what it is. It's like you find things to do, you know, when your life is going well and you're happy.

You find things to do that make you happy. When you're miserable, you want to make other people miserable. Yeah, yeah. That's what a lot of it is. Yeah. A lot of it. It's hard to be happy. It's hard to have your shit together.

It's fucking confusing out there. It is a tough thing. I think being financially sound helps. They say money doesn't buy happiness, but you can pay off a lot of sadness with it. You might not be happy, but there's not a bill laying there that you can't pay while you're unhappy about something else. So I think that does help. But there are plenty of miserable people that are well off. Very, very, very miserable that are rich as fuck.

Because one of the things that happens when you're trying to get rich is all you think about is getting rich. And you lose your humanity because you stop being a good friend. You stop having fun. You don't think about like hugging your kids and going out with your buddies. You instead think about the numbers that you're racking up. Yeah, yeah. You think about sustaining it. Once you get there, now you have to sustain it.

And that's a whole other thing. You also think about like the there's a hierarchy of rich people you know you have a million dollars but Bobby's got five million that fucking piece of shit and then you know you know like well Billy's cousin's a billionaire holy shit he's got a thousand million

that's what you know that's so funny I swear it wasn't long after. Me and Opie signed an insanely lucrative deal with Infinity Broadcasting back in, I think it was 2000. You want a cigar? Do you smoke cigars? I don't smoke cigars. I always feel like it's weird because I want to inhale because that's like smoking to me.

So you kind of just let it linger in your mouth. I've smoked cigars before. What, you got a good one? Oh, yeah. Are they good? They're good, yeah. Because I hear Cubans aren't even the good cigars anymore. I don't know.

You'd have to talk to Bobby Kelly about that. He knows more than I do. Bobby Kelly. I just feel like once we start drinking, I usually smoke a cigar. I did. I'll smoke a cigar with you, though. Look at you. Why wouldn't I?

Why wouldn't you? We're here on the Joe Rogan Experience. Humidor. I interrupted you again. No, it's fine. You have such a man place here. This is a dude fucking place. It's not as doody as the last place because I don't have the gym.

Oh, right. You had the whole fucking gym. Of course you are. Yeah, that'll happen soon. Of course you are. Steps. Of course you are. Yeah, that'll happen soon. Of course you are.

Steps. I was watching a documentary about, it was like, are we in a simulation, the Matrix simulation? So I watched that. Some guy sat in one of those sensory deprivation tanks. And I know you have one of those. And the way he described it of just losing his sense of body and being able to see himself as individual particles and stuff. Oh, he must have been high as fuck. Dude, he had to be.

But that was pretty much the gist of the whole thing was that if you can get to the reality that you are just kind of specks, you're just yeah you're a bunch of stuff stuff you're a bunch of stuff connected to a consciousness is connected to an ego and that ego exists to make sure that you keep breeding and perpetrating your dna yeah it's all biological and keeping the the species going like our whole thing and that's a little weird because we we also find pleasure in things that don't seem to uh be connected to that part of it yeah you know i don't think a lion thinks i'll just have a good time today i think it's food and fucking yeah and most of the animal kingdom i think it's food and fucking sometimes you see And most of the animal kingdom, I think it's food and fucking. Sometimes you see monkeys eat some kind of rancid fruit and they get drunk and fall out of trees. Well, that's what's interesting about people is that we've figured out some weird hacks to tap into our-

Yeah, that's a lighter. Oh, yeah. There's a lighter. You flip it the other side. Uh-huh. There's the other, flip it upside down. Oh! And then pop the top.

Oh. That way, yeah? There you go go and then push that up there you go you really don't smoke cigars um we found out tricks to hijack phaser it's good stuff right we found tricks to hijack our biological reward system you know like like the the the thrill of the hunt gets replaced with a video game right oh yeah yeah like uh wanting to like to solve puzzles and dramas and and dealing with problems in your life and threats gets replaced by an action film you know where you're the hero you pretend you're jason bourne you're kicking ass and saving the village. So it all still goes back to this... Biological reward system. Yeah, biological reward system.

No places that get hacked more than porn, right? You know, you watch people fucking, like, yeah, that's me. I'm in there. I'm fucking, I'm fucking, I'm fucking. And then you can't wait to do it again because it's on tap 24-7. It's like you're living like Caligula. You're living like some madman, some Salt-N-Bernie type character with a harem of 100 women that are paid to just sit around and wait for you to fuck them. Dude, I got to tell you, the testosterone shots.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, you, of course, have been a proponent of this for many years. You've turned a lot of people on to it. You're 100% with this. been a proponent of this for many years you've turned a lot of people on to it you're you're 100 with this i know of other people that have said oh yeah joe rogan said i gotta get on this whenever a guy that's uh you know reaching their 40s 50s in there uh says that they're having problems uh with libido and muscle mass energy Interest in things. Aches and pains. Yeah, you've always said that.

As a matter of fact, and then Nick DiPaolo, I do a show with Nick on Mondays on my channel. And he was saying the same thing. He's going, ah, no muscle mass, cocksucker. Can't fucking do anything. Look, fucking bitch arms. He's hilarious. And he said, low T. So I went to the doctor the doctor i was diagnosed with low t it was pretty fucking low it's called being an old man yeah how old do you know it's called getting i just had my 60th on april 26 zero dude when i was a kid that was

you're dead you're dead man you're dead meanwhile you have a thick neck now look at you that was when i saw you today i'm like look at his neck i know it's getting there you're dead you're dead man you're dead meanwhile you have a thick neck now look at you when I saw you today I'm like look at his neck I know it's getting there you're lifting weights it's like I am now yeah look at that

Missy makes me fucking do that shit she's an animal she's a fucking animal look at you and here's the weird thing okay now

I you don't notice because it's like over the years the testosterone level and those interests that you had and your libido and all that, it gets turned on like a dimmer. It's like a dimmer switch. So it's before you notice it.

Yeah. Slowly. And then another year goes by and you're like, wow, you know, and then a little bit down, down. After two shots, it's a switch. It just went bam. And all the time it took to turn that down came right the fuck back. Joe, I'm a piece of

shit again. I have been looking at porn that isn't even right. I'll punch it. And for years, I've been going like, oh, Elon Musk, SpaceX. Oh, look at that. The Falcon 9. Now you go right to porn.

It's right to porn. And the porn is like college, red pussy, hairy, nerd. Like girls with glasses and big hairy red bush and stuff. Why? Because I don't know, Joe. Because of the needles. I just found this attraction. What was the porn that you were attracted to before this? wasn't really thinking of porn really gotta be honest but why

do you think it's like perverted porn it isn't really perverted i just like pale girls with big pussies like the the hairy muff reminds me when i used to see barbie betton and playboy when i was a kid oh so it's bringing you back. It brings me right back, Joe. So it's like you've basically gotten into a time machine. Brought you back to when your libido was in full swing. Yes. So you're connecting with that era. And I think the hair is coming back.

Hair is coming back. Hair is making a comeback. During the 90s and early 2000s, it was cut that shit off. They tried to get artistic with it at first. We heard the landing strip, the heart, the Hitler mustache, they called it, which looked stupid. It was one little tuft of hair above the vagina, a lightning bolt. Stop. Just stop with that.

And then just cut everything off. That's what every girl was doing. And when I was growing up, when I was in my teens looking to get laid, if a girl took her big fucking granny panties down back then. It was madness. And I saw shaved, I would have lost my mind. I've been like, what am I with, a porn star? Who the fuck is this? Why is a fucking girl?

Because it was that big triangle. It looked like it took a pool rack and just filled it with barbershop floor hair. When I was 18, this girl that I was dating, I dated her in high school and then dated her again. And she was dating this guy who was an animal. They had a lot of crazy problems. He smashed her window of her car and all kinds of things. The guy was a savage, apparently. And she was

over at my house and we were starting to fool around. She was like, I can't, I can't, I can't. I go, why? She goes, I'm embarrassed. I don't want to tell you. I go, why? Just tell me. She goes, he made me shave my pussy. So this ex of hers had made her shave her pussy. She was embarrassed by it.

I'm like, I don't care. Yeah, like I care. I'm like, it's not like, she was embarrassed that I would know that a guy talked her into shaving her pussy. Like that's how weird the world was back then. And what year was this about? Well, I was 18,

so we're talking about 85, I guess. Yeah, yeah, that would have been weird back then. Yeah, 86, somewhere around then. You had to know like, because especially back then, it was so awkward. And you didn't just, now you could literally just go, hey, okay, lose the clothes. We'll fucking hop in the sack and do something. But back then, it was this weird, can I get this?

You never knew when she was going to say stop. So the shirt had to come off. You had to put your hand under the shirt and then that and then the bra and then down the pants. And you had to be careful when you were undoing the bra strap. It had to be smooth because if you were fumbling too long, it might stop you. Right. What is this rookie? Stop. Stop. Stop. I can't. Stop. I got it.

Oh, God. Fucking embarrassing. And those old ones had like three of the hooks in the bag. The best invention was the front Velcro thing. Oh, they have a front Velcro? Or a clip, a little snap. Oh, a little snap.

And it was like click and then bam, right in the front. You didn't even have to take the rest off. It was awesome. But when your hand finally went down those Jordache jeans, you knew when you reached ground zero. You felt it. Guns and roses. You were getting there.

Right, right. Welcome to the jungle. Welcome to the jungle. And then a comic did it years ago, but it was something about how you were always surprised at how far down that really was. Like you'd go down the front of the fence like, belly button's here. It's a good two feet from the belly button. I remember when I was 13 years old.

When I was 13 years old, there was this kid in my neighborhood. When I was 13, I moved from Florida, moved from Gainesville, Florida, to Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts. At the time, it was kind of a sketchy neighborhood, and there was a lot of rough kids that lived there. It was very lower income and wild street kids. They were out in the street. There was this kid, my next-door neighbor.

His name was Pauly Hudsonson he was a dangerous kid like he was already smoking cigarettes at 13 and you know i was very innocent when i moved to the spot and i remember he was talking to me about sex and they were talking to me about girls and you know and having sex with girls and i had never had sex with a girl i mean i don't even maybe had kissed a girl like on the i don't even know if i'd kissed a girl with tongue by then, right? Yeah. And he was like, you probably don't even know that when you fuck a girl, you don't go straight. You go up in her. Like, what? And I was like, what are you talking about?

I remember thinking that. You thought you went straight. I didn't know. Like the cotton swab during COVID testing. It's like, wait, that's backwards. I thought it went up, but it goes straight in. Don't think that I had an accurate map of the landscape when it came to a woman's vagina. I didn't know where everything was.

Not many guys did. But this kid knew that I didn't know. And he's like, you probably don't even know. How old was he? He was 13 too. Oh my God. He was already, like I said, he smoked and cigarettes. These kids were animals.

He had some issues. They were roaming the streets. Yeah, yeah. These kids were like, when I got into this neighborhood, everybody was just wandering around and they were all doing terrible things. They were all lighting things on fire. Fire was a big thing. Dogs were always running around.

Nobody's dog was ever in the yard. It was a wild neighborhood. Yeah. At 13, I remember kids like that. And then when they got a little older, the crowds kind of separated because some of them would start breaking into houses. Right. And you'd stay away from those kids.

It was this weird tree would grow of the really good kids and the really bad kids. The kids who took that turn. Yeah. And you'd sometimes go over and be like, all right, we'll fucking drive over some mailboxes tonight. That kind of innocent shit. But then some of it would just take it way too far. These kids were already breaking into houses.

They were calling B&Es. I had to ask what a B&E was. B& it was like yeah, he's doing B&E's like what's a B&E? Breaking and entering I was like oh, I didn't know like I was so and I went from being this kid that grew up I was living in San Francisco And then I was living in a college town in Florida and then all sudden Jamaica Plain and Jamaica Plain in 78 I guess when I got there, 79, was fucking sketchy. Yeah. Like, it was a lot of, like, dangerous people. I love it.

When I was out in California, my dad lived out there. So I went out to live with my dad for a while. I was about 13 years old. And my dad was all about like man training, man training. It's like, cause he had me pegged as like, you know, I was going to be this little fruity kid. I tell a story about when I made a marionette, I made a marionette. The only thing was it didn't have strings on it yet. And my dad's like, you are not taking that doll with you.

I'm like, it's a marionette. He goes, a puppet without strings is a doll. He's just yelling at me. And I'm like, I start crying. He called me pissy eyes. And my mother's yelling at my father because he's yelling at me. And poor little Anthony. So when I went out to California, he decided I'm going to get him a horse.

I'm going to buy him guns. And this guy is good. So I got this black horse and for my birthday, he got me a Winchester 3030 and a Ruger Super Single 6 pistol. And he's like, if I was just 13th or 14th birthday and I got that,

I'd saddle my horse and ride up in the hills. And I would just ride up in the hills shooting guns like a mental patient. It was great. It was a great like I was able to be a cowboy. San Juan Capistrano where the swallows come back every year in Orange County. Oh, Orange County. Yeah, it's in between San Diego and L.A. Oh, yeah.

It's ranch country out there. Oh, all horses, dude. Everyone had a horse. There were hitching posts in front of the bars on Camino Capistrano, which was the main drag. Hitching posts. Hitching posts. We could pull up with a horse. Pull up, and people did.

Are you allowed to drink and drive a horse? Yeah, back then anyway. It's totally different now. Doesn't it seem like that would be fine because it's not like you're in control anyway. It's not like you're in control. No, no. The horse is doing all the work. I feel like you could be hammered on a horse and that's okay.

I've seen many people hammered on horses back then because everyone was drunk. Doesn't that seem like that would be a different thing, though? Like, you shouldn't get in trouble for that. You shouldn't. Unless you cause an accident, maybe. Can you get a DUI riding a horse riding a horse drunk on public roads in california violates the law of course it does california gets rid of everything fun you can't even go outside without a mask on the people versus fong so some dude named fong was trying to

fucking have a good time on his horse have a a couple of brewskis. Ride around. People versus Fong. Imagine forever horse driving while drunk is connected to your last name. To your last name. Come on. I'm the first guy. You did it. How many people were riding horses drunk before this Fong fella came along?

Poor guy. Poor son of a bitch Fong. That's kind of crazy that it's like a legal precedent. It's connected to this one dude. Imagine that. You just. Yeah. that it's like a legal precedent. It's connected to this one dude. Imagine that. You just. Yeah. Whoop.

Whoop. Yeah. What the fuck? Well, you got to make sure you have cowboy boots on, too. A lot of people don't know cowboy boots are designed to slip on and off because your feet get stuck in the stirrups. Oh, yeah. And if the horse goes crazy, the boots just slip off.

Got to get that out of there. And then you fall out and you're okay. You don't get dragged to your death. Yeah, yeah. We got thrown off a lot of horses back in those days. It was constant. Your horse would spook at something and throw you off. And my dad's like, eh, son of a bitch, you got to get back on that horse.

Like the literally get back on the horse that threw you kind of a thing. So my dad was, he wanted me to become a man at 13, 14 years old. So there was this girl, Buzz. Her name was Buzz. Her name was Chris, Christine. Kind of a big boned gal. Why'd they call her Buzz? Because she was constantly buzzed.

She was constantly buzzed. buzzed. She was constantly buzzed. And she was known around the ranch for being a little loose. So my dad, I think my dad noticed I was making like a lot of bathroom trips at that point, because I had just discovered the fact that you could jack off and do fun things like that. So he's like, all right, I got Buzz. I'll get Buzz and hook him up. So my father and his girlfriend at the time, Corey, they go out and Buzz is hanging out with me. And I'm clueless, man. I am fucking clueless.

And she goes, why don't you go up and take a shower? Because I've been at the ranch all day and fucking smell like horse shit and everything. And I'm like, I didn't even think. I'm like, okay. We're watching like Monty Python or some shit. And I go in. I take a shower. I come out.

And I'm walking to my bedroom. And my dad in Corey's bedroom was along the way. And I hear from in there. I'm like, you coming in? And I look in the room. And it still hadn't hit me. I'm just like, what is going on here? I'm getting my PJs on and I'm going to go downstairs and watch TV.

So I look in the room and there's Buzz. She's sitting on the bed, kind of sitting with her back against the headboard. And the blanket is up to her waist. And she had big fucking tits. So I look in and again, still, I'm just like, what, like it didn't fit. It didn't, nothing made sense. And then I'm like, oh shit.

I think this, I'm going to have some sex. I'm going to be fucking a girl. You're 13? 13, probably almost 14. How old's Buzz? Buzz was 19. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah.

The older woman. Oh, totally reckless. They called her Buzz. How much does Buzz weigh at the time? Buzz was, she was really tall. She was probably six feet tall. And she had a proportioned body for a six-foot-tall girl. Big tits, like very 70s hips and waist kind of thing.

And so you're a boy, and this is a woman. I am a fucking skinny little douchebag. It was, you know, like fucking riding the Matterhorn. But I was, was like into it. I got into bed with her. And she starts like rubbing her hands. And she goes to slide her hand down to my dick. And she's like, could you take your underwear off?

I got into bed with my underwear on. I didn't know. What did I know? So I dropped those things. And then, yeah, I learned very quickly at that point. And that is you could mark it on a graph of when my fucking grades and everything just took a shit right at that point. All I thought about was fucking. I was in junior high i went to school

the next day and i looked at everyone differently i was just like these guys don't know what fucking is now how many kids in your class had already had sex none like none of them that i know about maybe an errant uncle or two had gotten to them. It is funny. Once that door gets opened. That was all I wanted. And then we had continued fucking for almost a year. Wow. So she was 20 and you were 14. Yeah. That's a reckless lady. Very reckless.

But it was the 70s. What the fuck? Pill or no pill? I didn't know. I was blowing loads. So you just shooting them in there? Constantly. Little Anthony loads. Bl shooting them in there? Constantly. Little Anthony loads. Blowing them in there. Was she concerned with getting pregnant? I think she would

have just gotten an abortion. Hey, why don't you get one of those abortions? My brother got one for his girlfriend once. Is that what you heard? No, that was from Fast Times at Richer High. Forgot about that. Dude, that was my skull. One of those abortions.

Hey, yeah, I got tickets. I had tickets for Blue Oyster Cult. Where were you? Like that guy. He was like 40 when they filmed that movie. All those guys were like 40 when they filmed that shit. I love watching old movies and stuff, especially Twilight Zones and Alfred Hitchcock.

It's like Rod Serling will come on at the beginning and go, here's Bob Smith. He's 22 years old. And you look and it's like, this guy's 50. Yeah, right? And you don't know if they were just lying about the age or that's how a 22-year-old looked back then.

I think people aged very quickly back then. Very differently. Yeah, because you look at a 50-year-old man in those days, this is pre-testosterone replacement. Yes. That's a big factor. It is. It's a giant factor. You look at like, I mean, look at Mike Tyson today at 55 years of age. Yep.

That didn't exist before. Hell no. That was non-existent. Because a monster. Yeah, a monster. And yeah, back then, like I remember my grandfather at my age now. Almost dead. Almost dead.

I'd walk into my grandparents' house. He'd be sitting on a recliner with the Mets game on in front of him. And just like you'd hear, son of a bitch. And he was fucking old, dude. And that was like. And tired. And he was fucking old, dude. And that was like- And tired. Yeah, tired, old. He'd had it.

He just wanted to check out. There was this other aunt we had, Aunt Aletta, her name was. Aletta. Aletta. Do people still call their kids Aletta? I doubt that's a name. I think that's one. Mildred.

That one's done. Things like that are just done. Mabel. Could you imagine that? Oh, Mildred. Yeah. imagine that? Oh, Mildred. Yeah. Oh, Mabel. I fucking love fucking.

You just never hear those names anymore. Yeah, Aletta. The only thing I have any recollection of her is right when we walked in the door once a year for a holiday, she was in a chair in the corner. And you went over, you gave her a kiss on the cheek, and no one talked to her, no one acknowledged her. She was just there until one day she wasn't there. And that was her whole fucking life. And I swear to you, she was probably younger than I am right now.

Wow. It's so fucked up, dude. It is fucked up, right? Right? And you know what's really fucked up about the whole testosterone replacement thing is there's a lot of people that get mad that you're doing it. Yeah. They don't like it.

Yeah, stop that. Stop doing that. Just be normal. Just- You think it's again like a jealousy thing. Just go and rot slowly. People don't want to- Yeah, yeah.

It's just accept it. Accept it. Yeah. Grow old gracefully. Fuck you. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I always said Sylvester Stallone was my canary in the coal mine. Oh, really? I've watched that guy. He's like 80. Watch, watch, watch. Bench pressing and shit, doing squats. Canary in the coal mine. Keep an eye on him.

Keep an eye on him. See how he's doing over there. Yeah. He's like 25 years older than me. I'm like, keep an eye on him. That's a good, yeah. See how long you can keep this up. Dude, there's science, you know?

There's fucking science that's making us live longer. Lately, I've been doing hyperbaric chamber sessions. That Michael Jackson shit. Yeah, but I didn't remember that it was a Michael Jackson shit until yesterday. But yeah, hyperbaric sessions. There was a university in Israel that did a study that they did 60 hyperbaric treatments over 90 days, and it turned out that it lengthened your telomeres,

which is an indication of your biological age, by 20 years. So it reduced your biological age by 20 years. But it's so boring. You lay in this tank for like an hour and a half. And you're not really feeling anything? No, I just take naps. I just go in there and take naps for an hour and a half. And you're not really feeling anything? No, I just take naps. I just go in there and take naps for an hour and a half, or I listen to books on tape.

Oh, yeah. I'm trying to see what it is. I'm 22 sessions in. What is the actual physical thing that it does to you? That's a good question. Does it change the pressure? I'm a surface researcher. I get to the surface.

I go, looks good. Let's go. But Joe, I've read your medical doctor giving advice to young children. I go, looks good, let's go. Medical doctor giving advice to young children. I got chastised by Prince Harry today. Prince Harry went in on me. Prince Harry! Hey Harry, I can give you some advice too, buddy. Dude, when I read

shit, when people start ragging you about things, I'm like, don't you know who Joe Rogan is? Like, first of all, you're allowed to give an opinion on anything. Not anymore. Not anymore. I've gotten too popular.

Isn't that fucked up? What happened was the Spotify deal. When people found out how much chizash I was making, then things got weird. Then things like, you have a responsibility. It's got to be a price if you're going to be tagged as sellout. You got a responsibility. Well, they also want you to sell out.

They want you to stop doing what you're doing. You have a responsibility? Hilarious. I'm a cage fighting commentator and a dirty comedian. You're coming to me? I used to make people eat animal dicks on TV. You're coming to me for advice? How did that happen?

It doesn't make any sense. It's just I have too much influence. There's too many people listening. Yeah. Right? People are going to be mad that I have you on. Oh, I know. You have Anthony.

I know. I have my baggage. Anthony, you're my friend. You will be my friend forever. Exactly. That's what I tell people. I'm like, Joe Rogan, a friend. You're my friend.

I like talking to Joe. You're my friend, and you helped me tremendously in my early days. Tremendously. Dude, please. Who couldn't see? I have laughed harder just hanging out with you in certain situations. I always

think back to the Dice gig where we literally fell out of the booth on the floor laughing like idiots. Jimmy Norton, Bobby Kelly, you, me, and who else was with us? Somebody else was with us. Another comic. Was Brian Redband with me. Who else was with us? Somebody else was with us. Oh, jeez. Another comic. Yeah, there were a lot of... Was Brian Redband with us?

Who else was with us? Somebody else was with us. Yeah, we all decided to go see Dice. We went to see Dice at the Riviera before they tore it down. Yeah, yeah. My God, what a good time we had. Oh, well, we laughed. What a good time we had.

I couldn't look over at you anymore. And then we fucking looked and both fell out of the booth it was we were hammered yeah we were having the best time of our life just laughing and laughing Dice was being classic Dice just he loved that we were there too oh yeah had a great time but yeah that's you know bit about catching gay catch gay like you know Dice like purport Dice pretends to be ignorant. Yes. So he'll have these things where he'll have these bits set up on preposterous science.

Right. That he's like, this is what I heard. Says it like it's gospel and this is the rule science according to Dice. This idea that some people are problematic and you're not supposed to hang out with anymore. You could eat shit. I don't give a fuck what you say. Because it's everybody. I guess the last thing I just heard was, what's his name?

Oh, God. From Freaks and Geeks and Superbad. Seth Rogen? Oh, Seth Rogen. How could I not have gotten the name? I guess the Rogen thing was slipping. What did he do? Yeah, Seth Rogen kind of turned

his back on his buddy there who's having these sexual harassment, at the very least. Maybe rape allegations against him. James Franco? James Franco. I don't think it's a rape thing. I think it's like predatory behavior. Yes, yes. Like grooming or fucking

underage girls. But I think the girls were 17. I don't know what the laws are in California. Yeah. And of course they're going to give you shit regardless if it's legal or not. But I guess that's been a problem. And they questioned Seth about

it. And he goes, oh, I haven't spoken to him and I don't plan to. Like, just sold him down the river immediately. You know, I don't like that. It makes me sad. But they're in a different business. And in that business, you have to be chosen. See, this is what I'm saying. Like, you have to be picked for roles.

And if you get blackballed, you're fucked. Like, you don't have a standalone product, right? As a guy who has a podcast or as a guy who does fucked like you don't have a standalone product right as a guy who has a podcast Or as a guy does stand up you have a standalone podcast you have a standalone stand-up act. It's all yours So no one picks you for a role like if Seth Rogen wants to do a film like it's a dangerous Proposition to be connected to someone who's problematic because if are, then someone can link you to him and go, hey, were you involved in this? And we can't use you.

We can't have you. Meanwhile, how many of these fucking people were in bed with Harvey Weinstein? Yeah. How many of these people are, there's all these videos. Plenty of videos. How many videos of people thanking him? Smiling photos. Photos and thanking him.

No one's being punished for that. Yeah, yeah. Why would Seth Rogen be punished because he's got this buddy who's one of the handsomest guys that's ever lived look how goddamn good looking James Franco is I mean do you really think James Franco is struggling to get laid yeah this is ridiculous like I don't know what happened and what didn't happen but right it makes me sad that Seth Rogen has to say that but I don't know what he's saying so I'm just hearing this from you it's it's uh

yeah he just said he's kind of you know he didn't say i'm cutting him off as a friend he was asked whether he works with him or will work with him because of all these allegations and his answer was i haven't and there no are no plans in the future to do so. Yeah, but what is that? He was hedging his bet there. But isn't that like, I have no plans in the future to work with Jim Norton. Right. But I would. Of course.

But if someone said, are you working with Jim Norton? And if I said, I don't have any plans to work with Jim Norton right now, that doesn't mean I would never work. You know what I'm saying? But it seems calculated. But it might. But it also might be the way they phrase it in the article that they write about it. Oh, I get it. They'll try to. You know what i'm saying like but it seems calculated but it might but it also might be the way they phrase that in the the article that they write about oh i get it they'll try to fuck him over they might say he threw his buddy under the bus yeah maybe he didn't either maybe he was like i don't know i don't have any plans on working with him right now he might have been

innocent you think there are uh phone calls that go back and forth and go dude i'm gonna have to don't pay attention to it. I love you, but I'm really going to have to call you a piece of shit just to get this gig. I need this gig. Well, Anthony, this is one of the main reasons why there's a problem with certain people that do stand up in places like LA in particular, because you have to get chosen for TV shows and chosen for TV shows and chosen

for films and you're constantly auditioning well you're you're you also have to be selected amongst a bunch of other people that are also equally qualified and unless you're one of these Tom Cruise motherfuckers who can just like blockbuster every fucking movie you're in a weird position where you're in a weird position where you your business can get tanked if you get connected whether it's fair or unfair with someone who's a problem or with something that's a problem so they're all terrified and they're all liberal and i don't even know if they are all liberal but they all pretend to be

or present themselves as liberal and they do that specifically as a marketing strategy yeah it really is a marketing strategy because i've had conversation there was a guy that i did a tv show with once and we were talking about um there was just like ways of talking that they they adopt and one of them is when they meet someone they say nice to see you they don't say nice to meet you because what if you forgot you already met them and they go you already met me and then you're like oh my god i'm fucked right because then they'll turn on you are you big time in me piece of shit yeah yeah dude i know this has happened to you because it's happened to me. You meet too many people. You forget you met someone.

Exactly. You say, nice to meet you. But if I say that and someone says, I met you before, I go, oh, I'm sorry. When do we meet? I'll try to fix it. I'll try to make it better. Yeah, yeah. And I'll try to explain, I'm not trying to big-time you.

I just fuck up. I forget. My memory is very weird. They don't understand that my lie is a courtesy to you. When someone walks up to me and goes, hey, you remember me? And I'll be like, fuck yeah, man. Of course. And then like leave it at that.

Because I'm lying. When do you remember me? And then that's where they go. All right, where was it? Don't fucking quiz me. All right, asshole. I don't remember you. And I won't remember you.

And I won't next time. Mike, have this man removed. Bite him. Bite his hand. Bite him, you motherfucker. Yeah, it's this weird thing where you can't just, there's no empathy. There's no, like, you know, maybe this guy was friends with Harvey Weinstein and it was different. His relationship with Harvey was different.

Maybe he didn't know. Like, all these guys had to separate themselves from him. Or whoever it is. It was James Franco or any of these people. Yeah, yeah. You've got to worry about being stuck in this strange category where you're a problem. Where they don't want to use you for certain roles or use you for certain things. Yeah. It becomes an issue.

Jordan Peterson said he was talking about the courage and bravery that it takes to actually say, hey, I agree with this. I don't agree with this. get and the more kind of the more censorship we're getting and the more ridiculous boycotts on people's right to speak, you got to say something. And the question is always, well, people are going to lose their jobs. They're going to lose their family, their livelihood, their reputation. And Jordan's answer to that was like, that's where the courage comes in. That's the courage part. It's easy to not do that. Bravery and courageousness takes, there's a sacrifice that needs to be made or a potential sacrifice if you're deciding you're going to be brave about something. And if you want to speak your mind, regardless of the

repercussions, these days that is a brave thing. Yeah. But it's the hardest thing to do because, you know, you always want to kind of float with the current. But eventually down the line, and we've seen this happen, it's going to get to you. Yes. I mean, who just got screwed lately? That was just a bleeding heart liberal and said some oh um what's his name oh god jeff leach you know jeff leach no comic english comic good looking guy very liberal i've

had him on the show quite a few times and i get you know from the fans why you have this piece of shit liberal it's like oh sorry sorry i'm not having just people that agree with me on all the time. And we have great discussions about politics or, you know, anything. Sports. Who cares? He just got fired from – he's the voice, the English voice of the demonic character in the Call of Duty games. Oh. When you play the campaign, not multiplayer.

He's that guy. Great gig. Well, they dug up some misogynistic shit. He's a comic. They dug up some misogynistic stuff, he said. Boom, he's out. And I will tell you, this guy is a staunch liberal. They don't care.

They don't care what the context is. They're looking for targets. Targets now. Yeah. And I think they're getting mad that a lot more, if you want to dub it, I don't even know what labels to put on anymore, so I'll just say right-wing, conservative, Republican. They're getting mad

that the names and labels and insults aren't really working like they used to. Like, to be called a racist now, it's like... Everything is racist. It's everything. If you eat peanut butter and jelly, you're racist. Racist. Milk is racist. The guy everything. If you eat peanut butter and jelly, you're racist. Racist. Milk is racist. The guy on Jeopardy went like this

and they're like, oh, it said he's like, I won three times. I know it's a little weird, but whatever. Everything's racist. So nothing is racist. It just becomes one of those things.

You're crying wolf. Right. You're crying wolf. And then when you look back at the true racism that the civil rights demonstrations were born from, that's fucking racism. Where they're dumping shit over your head because you're sitting at a Woolworth counter. Right.

When you aren't able to ride in the front of the bus. Public lynchings. There was genuine, crazy fucking fucking racism the difference between now and then is amazing i mean amazing that we were able to get to this point and still live in relative peace yeah but that's what i'm talking about when i'm saying that people are going to be able to read each other's minds and you're going to be able to see intent you're going to be like oh you're a psychopath looking for virtue you're virtue signaling right you're going to be able to see intent. You're going to be like, oh, you're a psychopath looking for virtue. You're virtue signaling.

Right. You're looking for people to think you're amazing when you're really kind of a piece of shit and you're this weird social climber. Would you be petrified if people could? No, they can already read my mind. I have a pretty open book. What I say is what I think. Yeah, yeah.

No, get in there. I'm genuinely a good person. Because I know as broadcasters especially, especially on a slow news day, you will spout shit about yourself and things. And I get that. Over the years, I've thrown it all out there. But there's probably one or two things you'd be like, I probably... My intentions are good.

I would be worried about murderous thoughts. Murderous thoughts. Murderous thoughts would be a real problem. How many of those pop up a day? Occasionally. Occasionally there's some things where I want to go straight Punisher. Right, right. And just clean up.

And I'm pretty fucking liberal. That's another thing. I get labeled as an alt-right person. Listen, not if you talk to me about issues. If you want to talk about jokes, yeah, I crack some fucking off-color jokes. Why? Because I think it's funny. That's what I'm doing.

I assumed you understood what I was saying. Not only do I think it's funny, a fucking arena full of people seem to think it's funny. I know what I'm doing. But I'm a good person. I try hard to be a good person. I'm doing. But I'm a good person. I try hard to be a good person. I'm a father. I'm a husband. I go out of my way to be a good person.

It's something I cultivate. I cultivate kindness. I really do. I cultivate my gentle nature. I try hard to work at it. That's hard to argue. I try to hug people. I try to be as friendly as I can.

I'm not perfect, but my intent is always to be a good person i think you've done that that's i'm trying i don't think anybody can you know say that you're but this idea like the thing about podcasts or radio or anything like that is that someone can quote mine so they can go over the i mean i think if you added up 1,700 plus podcasts that are each at least two and a half hours, I've been on the air for months, like straight. Yeah. If you listen to all those back to back. You're going to find some stupid shit.

And what's the percentage that I'm high and drunk? Like 40? 40%? You know? What a great point. And I was saying it before we did the show that when I was on FM radio, the only thing you really had to worry about was FCC regulations, which now seem quaint compared to what will get you in trouble these days. Imagine Howard's stuff that he got in trouble for on podcasts. It would be nothing.

Yeah. Nothing. nothing. Yeah. Nothing. And the things people get in trouble for now have nothing to do with what the FCC deemed to be this horrific thing to put out over the years. We got the normal shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cucks, like a motherfucking

tit thing. And then you have bodily functions. You can't graphically describe bodily functions. We would sit with lawyers all the time about that. So then we'd get the GM, the general manager would come in and go, Opie Anthony, come into the office. We got an FCC complaint.

Like, ah, fuck. And when you read it, when you're saying it, you're joking. There's comics in the room. It's a joke. It's this. When you read it in a federal transcript, it looks so bad. It looks so different. And so bad it looks so different and so bad and then the man said condoleezza rice is my yes yes and i will do this to her and oh voice number one laughs voice and you're like oh

this is you know it looks bad but if you listen to the tape in context, you'll see that there was no seriousness to it. But that was the old days. Now, you give an opinion, an opinion that someone asked you for. Those are my favorite. Someone in the media will say, hey, Joe Rogan, what do you think about this? And you go, oh, I think blah, blah, blah. And then there'll be, Joe Rogan says. It's like, first of all, you asked me for an opinion.

I was just walking down the street. And then you're using it to try to fuck me over. Yeah, but it's news. It's something to talk about. It's something that people disagree with, so they want to be upset about it. That honestly doesn't bother me that much. And one of the reasons why it doesn't bother me is Spotify has had my back on every one of these things. Which is great.

They say nothing he said is violated in any of our terms. Yeah. Because I don't do things to be a bad person. Yeah, yeah. But if I have an opinion on something and it just doesn't happen to fit with what you're trying to promote, sorry. An opinion now is like gospel. It's dangerous. It's like,

and when a comic says something, you really have to, yeah, you really have to put it in context that it's not, it's not your physician saying it.

It's not your lawyer saying it. It's not a politician saying it. It's a fucking comic saying it. And people are dying

to get out and see funny comedy again. Oh, wild comedy. Cheers. Wild comedy. Absolutely. Thank you, Joe. Yeah.

We're doing this Comedians of the Compound thing. You're doing it at the Creek in the Cave, right? We're doing it at Vulcan. Oh, Vulcan's great too. Vulcan, Friday and Saturday night. Austin has a great fucking comedy scene. It's alive right now. They followed you.

They're like, Rogan's coming here. Fuck yeah. I'm going to get them all on. I'll help them all. I want to promote it. It's awesome. You do have this. How weird is that, dude?

You got a power. You have a platform that is a power, and that's why people hate it. But I was saying, you are what, especially to comics, but to everybody, what fucking Johnny Carson was. Like, this is the 2021, the 21st century version of The Tonight Show. Late night TV shows aren't doing well. People don't like them. They're too sanitized. They're sanitized yeah yeah there's no edge to it when you saw johnny carson in the old days and fucking sinatra would just walk out

the curtain don rick knows there and rickles they didn't know what the fuck was gonna happen yeah and that's what people loved about it and now it's this antiseptic, hey, we're going to see how many eggs you can juggle. And the tough, cutting edge comedy of goofing on Trump. What you're doing here is the equivalent of Carson with a new technology. People listen to you. They watch you watch you guests want to be on the show it's such a strange phenomenon because i've known you for so many years and you're the guy now well not only that it was born out of your show a lot which is crazy which is crazy it's legitimately born out of your show and not just opie and anthony but again live from the compound i remember me and red band we're sitting in my Red Band were sitting in my house.

We were sitting in my house watching on my laptop you doing live in the compound. We were like, bro, we should fucking do something like this. That's literally where we started doing the Ustream. We started streaming on Ustream. Ustream. You were on Ustream, right? That's what it was. Yeah.

That's why. I'd grab a Barrett.50 caliber sniper rifle and sing love songs. It was psychotic. But people loved it. And they were upset. That was another thing. They were upset that you were doing it because you had this radio gig. But you were like, but no, this is promoting the radio gig.

Yeah. It's my house. Yeah, this is fun. I didn't sign a contract that said I can't talk in my house on the internet. They didn't know what was going on. They didn't shore up that loophole. Right. And that's exactly why I was able to continue doing it.

And you had a full setup with broadcast style microphones and real production cameras. Yeah, I wanted it to look professional. I said I want it to look like a fucking drunk broke into a professional studio. Well, what it was like was like a drunk had a lot of money. Right. Well, it wasn't only like that. It was exactly that, Joe. And it was very appealing to me.

I enjoyed it very much. Just having fun. Yeah, it was fun. And it was. It's one of those things where, yeah, I had my job at SiriusXM, but there were bosses. There's management. There's other people that you have to deal with. When you set up something like that, it's you.

I could do whatever the fuck I want. Yes. I had a girlfriend at the time that was like, I want you to do the weather. Like, I just know that the screen screen, I could put a weather map up there, and you just do it. And she's drunk, and she's like, I think there's something kind of like this is funny i don't know i don't even know what it means but it's funny and i could do whatever the fuck i want yeah and and like you fucking took that to the umpteenth level and wasn't for a while what happened with Mark Maron? Like the Joe Rogan eclipse.

Because Mark Maron was the guy for a while. He had Obama on at some point. And then he was the go-to podcast guy. And then you fucking come out of nowhere smoking weed and drinking. That, I think, is the difference. I think that was. And Mark Maron is still doing very well madness man is doing very well it's just his his thing is different he's a more sedated guy yeah

it's like there's less chaos i think you're more open to um other people's ideologies too at least to listen that's a big thing yeah you're not i'm not opposed to listening to conservatives right liberals yeah even though i'm a liberal and i get labeled a conservative all the time i don't mind listening to people's perspective i love dan crenshaw i have him on all the time i have i have conservative people on all the time i don't mind but people get mad at me like i remember this lady she made this fucking this weird chart connecting people to people that they talked to and trying to equate guilt by association a red thread and pin yes and so she had me as this podcast host and all these platforms that I elevated and it was very disingenuous because she

didn't tag in all the liberal people that I had on right all the progressive people that I had a lot it was only the progressive people that I had on. It was only the conservatives. And so I tweeted her and I said, Barbara Walters interviewed Fidel Castro. Does that make her a communist? Yeah. And then she was like,

Joe Rogan favorably compared himself to Barbara Walters. Like, okay, I see what you're doing. I see where you're going with this. I see what you're doing. Good luck.

It's always a minefield. But here's the thing. I don't have to get picked for anything. Yeah. So I'm not that guy who's trying to audition for things. I don't have to hedge my words. I just have to be a nice person.

And I'm not trying to be a bad person. I'm just trying to be a nice person. But I'm going to be honest. So because I don't have to worry. Some people interpret that as being a bad person, by the way. But it's because I don't have to worry the way most people have to worry. I don't have to. So I'm not going to have

you ever been chastised of lack of a better word from uh your ufc job never really fucking how awesome is dana white doesn't give a fuck dude isn't that great 18 levels of fucks less than me he doesn't give a fuck that guy's worth a half a billion. He doesn't give a fuck. That guy's worth a half a billion dollars and he doesn't give a fuck. He's wearing fucking sneakers and t-shirts. If you looked at him, you'd never know he's rich as shit. He's as normal as they come. He's just a regular dude. If you hung out with him, you'd love him.

He's a great guy. He's great. I've met him a couple of times. He's fucking great. I think he was on the O show oh yeah once or twice yeah but uh because a lot of people i think and the only reason i asked that i kind of assumed it is that i think a lot of people wonder that like oh does joe have to tame some stuff down so he doesn't fuck up his gig there was an issue where someone was talking to dana about it one time and

he goes hey listen i don't give a fuck what Rogan talks about as long as he's talking about MMA yeah yeah yeah when he talks about MMA I give a fuck what he says about MMA and he knows that what I say about if I'm talking about fighters and fights I'm always very respectful I treat it with reverence oh yeah and I'm when I'm when I'm trying to do my very best that comes across

to give like to give life with these words to to to to honor what they're doing. That's what I'm trying to do. That's my goal. My goal is to just, I'm like a professional fan. And I know enough about it that I can describe things in a way that makes it a little bit more exciting. I'm a comedian, so I can give a little flavor to things.

I just want to enhance the broadcast. You can tell you're passionate about it. Like, there are people that just have a job and they're supposed to be like, yeah, this is great, I'm talking about this, and you know, then they punch out and they're done. But you could tell, like, you're passionate about that fucking

sport, and it comes across every time. Dude, I did that gig for free for the first 15 shows. Holy shit. Yeah, that's what happened. The UFC was struggling. They had just bought the company. It wasn't financially viable. They weren't making money.

Who were like their big guys at the time? There was like Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell. This was like pre-2005. 2005 is when it really took off because of The Ultimate Fighter. That was season one of The Ultimate Fighter. So I was on Fear Factor, and Dana and I became friends because he offered me tickets to the fights when they had just bought the UFC. So I would go to these UFC events and I was a giant fan.

So I would talk to Dana about Pride and K-1 and like you should try to get Sakurai. Do you know about this guy? Have you ever seen Fedor fight? I would talk about all these different fighters. And then Dana was like, why don't you do commentary I'm like listen I come here to get drunk and with my friends and have fun I work all day I do stand-up and I just want to come like whenever you have the fights and sit down and have a good time so he talked me into it once because they were doing 30 UFC 37 and a half now they're at 262 crazy yeah and UFC 37 and a half. Now they're at 262. Crazy, yeah. And UFC 37 and a half was

Best Damn Sports Show period. Remember that show? Yeah, yeah. They were doing a simulcast where Best Damn Sports Show period and Leanne Tweeden was in there and I was in there and we were, they was helping to promote the UFC and kind of make like a big deal of it and Tito Ortiz fought Chuck Liddell. Or no, excuse me.

Chuck Liddell fought Vitor Belfort. And it was like a big fight. It was a big deal. No, excuse me. Chuck Liddell fought Vitor Belfort. And it was like a big fight. It was a big deal. And he asked me to do commentary. And I said, okay, I'll do it this one time. So I did it this one time, 100% for free. And then he said, come on, do it again.

How did you feel doing it? Were you comfortable? It was fun. Like, I think I did a good job? I mean, I was terrible. If you listen to me today, I would say I was annoying. You know, if I would go back, I'm not a professional. Early tapes of anything you do are just the worst.

I tell that to comics when they're thinking about doing a podcast. Like, oh, I don't want to. That's me. Look at me. Oh, my God. Fresh-faced. Shout out to Jeff Osborne. Fresh-faced kid. My man, Jeff Osborne.

Full of piss and vinegar. Yeah. The whole world at his feet. Well, look how excited I was. You really are. But it was legit. It was 100%. Look at all that hair.

Oh, my God. I was so happy then are. But it was legit. It was 100%. Look at all that hair. Oh my god. I was so happy then. I'm happy now. So I did that and then Dana talked me into doing another one and then I said, look, I remember my manager was like, hey, you should probably be getting paid for this.

I'm like, ah. I told him, I go, fly me out. I have the best manager ever, but I was like, look, I told him, just fly me out and give some tickets to my friends. I go, we just want to have some drinks, watch some great fights, have a nice meal, go get some steak. Right. What a great night. Simple pleasures.

That's what I wanted. I wanted a great night. And so then it was like 15 fights in, and then they were like, look, we want to offer you a contract. Wow. And then, you know, next thing you know, I've been doing it now since 2001. That's crazy. Isn't it amazing? Having some of the greatest gigs you've gotten just happened because of a time and a place and luck.

Doing things because you like them. Yeah, yeah. The same thing with this podcast. I didn't get any money out of this podcast for fucking years and years and years. Took forever. Because I didn't do it for money. I did it for fun. Yeah.

I did it because I saw you with a machine gun standing in front of a green screen. And I was like, I want to do that. That looks like he's having a good time. When you can have fun. Like when I started, I got fired back in 2014. I've been doing Compound now seven years. And by the way, when you guys got fired, that was when I started doing your show. No. No. Before that. fired not 2014 terrestrial radio when you guys got fired the first time i wrote an article on my blog about it oh shit yeah and in support of you guys yeah this is crazy

you've always been fucking supportive and then when that happened that's when i started doing your show yeah yeah and i uh when i when i got fired in 2014, immediately, I was like, I got to strike while the iron's hot. The name's still out there, still the ONA thing, can't take any time off. And me and Keith Maresca, Keith the cop, threw it together, like how to learn everything of how to go in my basement and make a show. I just didn't know at the end of the wire where everything else was supposed to go. Yeah. Now it's got to go out. So there's logistics. There's bandwidth charges. There's all these things no one fucking thinks about when you're talking about putting together especially video broadcasts.

The bandwidth charges are giant. It's crazy. No one figures that shit out. They never think of it. It's crazy. No one figures that shit out. Like, they never think of it. It's like, oh, you put it online. Carolla was the first guy to talk about that. I remember him talking about his monthly charge. I was like, what?

Well, let me tell you something that happened in fucking 1997. I was working at WAF up in Massachusetts with Opie. It was the first gig I ever had. And digital cameras were first starting to ever had. And digital cameras were first starting to come out. And they were just giant fucking things and no compression on the pictures. It was just a nightmare to download

and try to put up on a site. Well, I went to this internet provider up there. This is the 90s. And got a page. And I was like, this is the Opie and Anthony show page page I'm going to take pictures of what we do during the day in the studio and we had naked girls

up there all the time and fucking there was something we called the blue tarp cabaret we put a blue tarp on the floor and have naked girls wrestle in whatever food was laying around so we'd take creamed corn and fuck it was great and I'm snapping pictures with

this digital camera. Then I'd go home and put that and some video, short clips of video up on the site. And I'm like, this is great. No one's doing this. No one's giving the people the visual medium of what's going on in the radio studio at that

time. Like I said, mid-90s. Well, at the end of the month this internet company that i've been using tiac they were called sends me a bill for thirty thousand dollars bandwidth because these videos weren't compressed these were like full 40 meds avi 40 fucking and're like, what did you expect? No, you can't just put, because I didn't know. So I talked to them and they're like, look, we get this a lot. We'll wipe that clean. But just you have to know that you're going to be charged X amount of money for these things.

And I'm like, oh, that's the catch. It was a different world. The Wild West. That's how they get you whether it's YouTube or like YouTube in particular because with YouTube there's no cost but you're under their control. Yeah. And that's where it gets

strange. And if your material is getting views they're going to make money. They're going to make money but they don't treat you like you're a partner per se. No, no, no, no. Because there's too many partners. Yeah. There's millions and millions and millions of people uploading constantly so it's very hard for them to manage all that so they hire people to do it and the problem with those people that are hiring it is it's all subjective they can decide this one is demonetized this one

oh they do it all the time tim dillon is a a real problem. Like, Tim Dillon's, most of his stuff gets demonetized. Yep. So he's got to start this Patreon page because he's funny. So he says wild shit. And when he says wild shit, they're like, stop, stop, stop with the wild shit. That's it, deplatformed. But meanwhile, the wild shit is what's making him popular. Do you understand there's a market for wild shit? Yeah, there is.

And then they'll tell you, well, make your own internet. Like, look, motherfucker, I have made everything I can that is self-sufficient. But at some point, it has to leave my hands and go to Fios' fiber optic cables. It's got to go to a server. It's got to use Amazon. It's got to use this. And all those are vulnerabilities to people saying, hey, why you got this go to a server, it's got to use Amazon, it's got to use this. And all those are vulnerabilities to people saying, hey, why you got

this piece of shit? So that's always the weak link in the machine. Well, they've done one thing that you've got to give credit to when it comes to social media and these platforms. They have silenced conservative

thought in a strange way. When you look at 2016. Yeah, you look at like Milo when he was at his peak. Yeah, Yiannopoulos was huge. And he was almost untouchable because he was a gay guy who was married to a black guy saying wild shit. Wild conservative things. And that was his thing. Now they scare the gay out of him.

He's not even gay anymore. They petrified him so bad, the gay left his body. His act, what he was doing was saying wild shit. That was his business model. Yeah. Yeah, but you talk to that guy off-air, and I know you have. He's a lovely guy. He really is.

He really is. I just spoke to him probably three weeks ago. people got mad because of what he was promoting but yeah i think part of the problem was that there was an established power base of like liberal thought and left-leaning thought and they were in control the tech platforms and when these guys like milo in particular he was the big one because he was so charismatic yeah and he got through then all of a sudden they were like jesus christ we got a real problem here we don't agree with this guy we don't agree with him and he's out there wilding and they didn't know what to do with him because he was gay because he was married to a black guy like fuck yeah we can't call him

we can't call him homophobic we can't call him anti-semitic what label can we put on this well they just decided to just silence him yeah and interestingly enough one of the problems with him was some shit that he said on my show ironically because he was talking about oddly enough right young guys yep having sex with gay older men and then one of his personal experiences. But here's the thing, man. Like, I've talked to multiple gay friends who have had similar experiences, and this is a small sample size, right? I'm talking about like six or seven guys. And they've said that in their world, this is like comics and other folks, they've said that in that world, that's normal. It's normal for like a 15-year-old, 16-year year old gay guy to have a relationship with a 35 year old gay man right and i'm like oh okay it's it's it's interesting like i'm not saying that it's

right but i'm saying that it's common do you say these things on purpose joe that i'm not saying that it's right no i just i just see the headline now i don't give a fuck i don't give a fuck i mean i'm just telling my what my friends have told me. And I find that awesome because every time something's said like that, all I see is, not that I give a fuck either, believe me, all I see is a headline saying, Joe Rogan endorses gay child sex. I don't. Of course not. But they say, the people that I've talked to, that it's not in their world.

It's not thought of the same. Remember, who's that film producer that had those wild parties? He'd have a whole pool filled with gay guys. Roman Polanski? No, no, no. Oh, gay guys. Brian. Oh, Singer.

Got in deep trouble for that very thing. Yes. Because he'd have young guys, I don't know if they were 18 or whatever they were, but he'd have a shitload of them in a pool together partying and they'd do photos. People are like, that's a problem. But is it a problem? Because they look like they're having a good time. What's the problem?

Yeah. Well, the problem is that the laws are saying people aren't able to consent to what might be happening out of the pool a little later. I want to put it this way. Imagine if it was a pool filled with these young guys, and then outside the pool was all 50-year-old women who look like Elizabeth Hurley. Who's got a problem with that? Who's got a problem with all these straight 17 year old guys banging super hot 50 year old women how about zero people no one fucking zero people think about if you had like think about all the hottest older actresses ladies that are hanging on yeah really strongly

hanging on if you found out they were banging 17 yearyear-old kids, you'd want to high-five those kids. Yeah. Who had a bit about that? Zach Galifianakis. He was talking about a young boy died after he had sex with his teacher because his friends high-fived him to death. High-fived him to death. We do a bit on the show whenever there's a teacher that is having sex with their underage students and it's like we don't show the face of the teacher first and we talk about what happened

we read well not immediately we just read what happened right it's like all right she drove him back to the house they had some drinks they went into the bedroom she performed oral sex on and stuff and then we go okay now we're gonna look at the face and see how much time is she going to get in jail. And then, bam, we pop it up and go, slap on the wrist, walks away with the judge going, have a great life. Because she's hot. She's fucking smoking. And it's every time. And then you read the sentencing and it is literally, hey, you, now you, knock it off.

100%. And then sometimes it's the lunch lady looking thing. And we're like, oh, that's fucking 25 to life. And God forbid it's a guy teacher having sex with a girl. They are just done. Yeah, that's over, Johnny. The idea of sexual equality does not. I used to have a bit about that.

That sexual equality, there's no sexual equality in child molesting that it's just we think very differently of it because there was a there was a commercial all right there was a commercial for just for men do you remember this commercial just for men is like hair dye yeah and there was a baby a fucking baby who was driving around a porsche it's the craziest commercial of all time. There's a baby driving around in a Porsche with a smoking hot lady. So he's got a grown lady with him. Look, this is a baby driving around in this car.

Look at his little beard. This is just for men. So he pulls up at a fucking club, and look at him. Come on. He's like, what is this? What is this? It's the baby. So now the baby has a bottle, and he's on the dance floor with all these broads, and he's dancing, and they're all hot, and they're hanging around with a fucking baby.

And it doesn't make any sense. What's the MO? Now, my bit was, imagine if it was a small girl, like a three-year-old girl that's driving a car, and she goes to a nightclub. They let her in everywhere there's dudes with kilts on swinging cocks you'd be like you're going straight to jail what the fuck is this but that commercial because there is no sexual equality when it comes to child molesting that commercial is deemed acceptable but for some strange reason

there is no equality show me that again i don. I don't even know what the goal is there. Is it that you'll look younger? You'll look like a baby, Anthony. You'll look like, I understand, like, if they want to say, well, if you dye your beard, you'll look younger. But it doesn't make any sense. Look at it. He's got an old Porsche. Look at the girl.

She's hot as fuck. She's so happy. He's hilarious. And he's driving, too, by the way. They're letting him in happy he's hilarious and he's driving too by the way they're letting him in like he's been there before yeah and they're all cheering when he shows up there's a baby he's got a bottle dude they're kissing him yes they're kissing him imagine and look at him dancing and then he's out on the dance floor dressed like an adult their skirts are look at the girls behind yeah look at that it's crazy now also you know you could predict

where they're going they're gonna fuck are they fucking 100% he went there he got her all juiced up they're dancing got a couple of drinks in her

he's got his bottle of milk he's ready to go I've seen the way they make commercials and stuff and everyone from the company usually sits at a conference room and they play it

and then it ends and then they go, okay, so what do you think? Like that room must have just been like- Love it. Perfect. That's our brand. Love it. Good. It's on brand with Just For Men.

Do you think someone was sitting there just going, like in big, I don't get it. I don't get it. It's a bug. No. No one said that. Everybody. They're all a bunch of perverted men. Right, right. Like, yeah yeah i want to be a baby

and fuck some old ladies it doesn't make any sense it's the craziest commercial of all time that commercial is so crazy but it you could never reverse the sexes in that commercial impossible so it shows yeah that we are not thought of as equals. No, no. Especially not in that category. Yeah, the whole man-women equality thing has caused so much shit. The making the police departments diverse. The military, they just came out with a statistic that a huge percentage of women are failing the physical fitness test for basic entry into the

army. That men pass every single, you get the wimpiest guy who's going to pass it. And women are having a problem with this. Yet we keep seeing this push to diversify the military. I just picture Russia and China laughing their balls off. Like, I saw a CIA commercial, a couple of them that have been playing. Oh, the diversity commercial? Yeah. The inclusiveness commercial? Dude, there's a gay dude who's like-

I haven't seen the commercial. I've heard of it. Oh, dude, it's a CIA diversity commercial. There's one that's a gay guy. He's a librarian for the CIA. And his job is to pick out mind-bending games for the agents to play. And he was all psyched that the CIA agent – Yeah, it's like a recruitment thing.

He was happy that the head of the FBI at the time, Brennan, had a rainbow lanyard on his thing. And I'm just thinking, what happened to the CIA? That isn't the place for diversity. There is just some places where the best people that are suited for the job should be given the job. And if that's a gay guy, that's fine. But why advertise like, hey, we need more gay people in the CIA? Well, because in this day and age, there's like a narrative. And that narrative is inclusivity and diversity trumps meritocracy.

Yes. Oh, fuck yeah. So is this it? I don't know. I'm asking if this is it. No, I don't think this is it. Our nation is counting on you. No?

They had another thing going on this week. It's CIA woke. It's the woke CIA. What is that one, though? Is that a different woke one? This is the, I think, ethnic one. The CIA went from water-boring terrorists to torturing Americans with shitty woke commercials. Yeah!

The Daily Dot. It's so fucked up. Shout out to Claire. How do you say your last name? So of course on my show, we were playing the ad and then calling him a Jack Reach Around. CI Gay. And then there was another one, a blind woman. A blind woman in the CIA.

Is this it right here? What did they post on their Twitter account? No, that's another one. This is on their Twitter. It says, I am unapologetically me. I want you to be unapologetically you. Whoever you are, whether you work at the CIA or anywhere else in the world, command your space, mija.

You are worth it. It's a gay guy. It's a gay guy CIA recruitment. Okay, play that. I want to see that. That should get it. Can we play it. I want to see that. That should get it. Can we play it? I want to see how that's made.

Well, you know, they're just trying to tap into this movement that we have today. But isn't it like everything else over history? The one thing I remember in the 90s was when you watched videos on MTV and grunge was huge, was when you watch videos on MTV, and grunge was huge, they had those grunge-looking videos from Nirvana, and it was the shake camera, and the focal point was really narrow, so Kurt would go out and he'd be blurry, and then he'd come back in, in focus, doing that. It was a look that grunge videos had. And I knew that was over when I saw a McDonald's commercial using that look I'm like okay this is done you're

never gonna see that so I think this is just that it's another way for them to go oh I think it's humans of CIA that guy humans down one yeah yeah that's the gay dude click on this one let me hear this I wanted to be a librarian the first time I set foot in a library. I was always a little different, even at that age, and libraries offered a safe, quiet space where I could find tens of thousands of escapes into worlds of fantasy, mystery, and intrigue. After finishing college, I entered the workforce as a middle school librarian, where I was able to bring that dream full circle and match my students with the perfect books. Now I get to experience that same type

of fulfillment in a very different way here at CIA. I love my job because I have no idea what type of research question is coming through the door next. It might be as simple as an HR officer needing to clarify a law or as complex as an analyst needing to help identify something they saw in a video still. There's something incredibly rewarding about knowing you are having a very real impact of potentially global proportions. As an agency librarian, I work to ensure that our collection and services are matched up with what CIA needs. Not only am I involved in the acquisitions of journals, books, and countless electronic resources,

I'm also encouraged to curate special collections that challenge expectation. Recently, I brought in our intelligence gaming collection to give officers unique opportunities to practice skills they need in their various roles. Splendor, mastermind. Instead of sitting for hours in front of a computer-based training, they can play a carefully selected game. I have a specific set of skills. While simultaneously building on the myriad soft skills essential to intelligence work. What?

This is the CIA. My favorite thing about CIA is that they encourage the out-of-the-box ideas that drive real progress. Growing up gay in a small southern town, I was lucky to have a wonderful and accepting family. I always struggled with the idea that I might not be able to discuss my personal life at work. I always struggled with the idea that I might not be able to discuss my personal life at work. Imagine my surprise when I was taking my oath at CIA and I noticed a rainbow on then-director Brendan's lanyard, which I later learned was designed by Engel, one of the many employee resource groups here at the agency. I remember being stunned. Since then, however, I've learned that far beyond the resource groups, inclusion is a core value here. Officers from the top down work hard

to ensure that every single person, whatever their gender, gender identity, race, disability, or sexual orientation can bring their entire self to work every day. How many times have we seen that entranceway in movies? Yeah. Bullets flying. There it is.

I would... When I'm looking at that, what I'm thinking is like, the CIA, like, it's great if they want to hire gay people. Fine. Hire everybody. I got no qualms.

Does that guy want to be working there for real? I don't know. Does it seem like he wants to find Snowden and rat him out of his hole in Russia and bring him back to face charges? I don't think he does. I don't know. It seems like that guy would be better off, you know, in a university somewhere. Yeah, yeah.

Like working somewhere where they're not trying to torture people. Yes. Maybe they'll just use it to squirrel back some microfilm. I don't know. What do they do? I don't know what I mean. But maybe their strategy is, and this is probably a valid strategy, right? The more diverse thinkers you get working in an environment, the more you can solve problems because you've got some out-of-the-box type thinking. Like maybe.

Maybe they're doing that to recruit people because they feel like the world is a little different than it used to be. Like we need some people that think along these sort of woke lines. Get the gay angle. And then you infiltrate. Like imagine that guy is an undercover agent and you get him infiltrating organizations and ratting people out. Right. Because that's really what a lot of the CIA does. The gay honeypot.

The CIA, a lot of it is undercover work. Yeah, yeah. Right? So a lot of these people, you can't have some fucking Club Soda Kenny guy going undercover at a gay rave trying to find out who the ecstasy dealers are, right? Yeah, yeah. You need different folks but could you see if you're like some john wick type character and this guy's telling you to play fucking a game of trouble with him to learn how to do something it just doesn't it doesn't jive with what we think uh the central intelligence agency i can't imagine there's real value in playing games like that. Yeah.

That seems like theater. That seems like nonsense. Yeah, yeah. Like they made some job for this guy to say that we have gay people in the CIA. I can't picture, you know, the old George H.W. in his prime when he was with the CIA going like, oh, I'm going to play some fucking games with the gay librarian. Do you really understand what we're dealing with with the CCP? Do you really understand what's going on there with these internment camps for Uyghur Muslims? Do you really understand what's happening in the fucking dark

corners of the world where real horrific crimes against humanity are currently being committed? Because, you know, this is wonderful if this guy really does love that job. Let's just play some Yahtzee and we'll figure it all out. It seems so crazy this guy really does love that job. Let's just play some Yahtzee and we'll figure it all out. It seems so crazy.

It really does. And then so I saw these spots and we did a break on them on the show. So I go home and I'm watching a documentary about the CIA in the 60s. So 1968, there was a Russian submarine that came apart, some kind of explosion inside, and sank in the Pacific. Americans heard the explosions from their, they had sonar for missile tests that they wanted to keep track of for the Russians and Chinese. This is neither confirm nor deny, right? Is it? Isn't that the origin of neither confirm nor deny, right? Isn't that the origin of neither confirm nor deny?

Because they didn't want to exactly say that it happened or didn't happen? Yeah. It wasn't the Kursk or anything. It was another sub. Okay. Americans knew exactly where it was. The Russians are all over trying to find it. But the Americans knew that the Russians would be watching them.

They're like, all right, we're going to raise this submarine and find the missiles and all their intelligence information in this thing. They built a ship. They built it from scratch under the CIA. And they used Howard Hughes's company because he's this rich guy. And they decided the cover story is going to be Howard Hughes is taking this boat out to mine metal at the bottom of 20,000 feet of ocean. Yes, Azorian. Project Azorian. Wow.

Dude, they took this thing out. The mechanics behind it was amazing. It was a giant claw that picked up the submarine, brought it into the sliding doors. That picked up the submarine, brought it into the sliding doors. It was like a Bond movie of the boat, closed it, drained the water, and got everything they needed out of this sub while the Russians were literally watching the boat. They never knew that they had fucking done this. And I'm like, that's the CIA. They got that through playing Yahtzee with a nose ring. Yeah.

They got that through playing Yahtzee with a nose ring. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think anyone sat back and played mousetrap or fucking tiddlywinks or skittlebowl to figure out how to do it. The engineering behind it. a ship that looked like a mining ship, but was able to lift a fucking submarine without anyone seeing it into the

bottom of a ship. Sci-fi stuff here. Wow. But that's actually happened. It's a brilliant story. What year was that? It sunk in 68, but it went up to like 1975. It took them a long time because they wanted to, they didn't want the Russians to know what they were doing.

And it took a while to build the ship from scratch. They built this thing. A giant ship. February 1975, investigative reporter and former New York Times writer Seymour Hersh had planned to publish a story on Project Azorian. The New York Times Washington Bureau chief at the time said in 2005 that the government offered a convincing argument Project Azorian. The New York Times' Washington Bureau chief at the time said in 2005 that the government offered a convincing argument to delay publication. Good luck with that today. Can you imagine?

They actually were able to tell the press, hey, could you keep this on the QT? It's the Russians. We need to do this. Now, forget about it. No chance. I'm standing here on a boat as America tries to raise a Russian submarine. Wow, that's wild.

Yeah, that was the old days, man. Now it's blind and gay and LGBTQ CIA agents. I don't know if that's good. I think the inclusion part of anything is good. I think if you're gay and you want to be a CIA agent, that's fine. But not because you're a gay CIA agent. Right. Just be gay and be a CIA agent.

And that's always been my argument. I don't have people. People get me wrong a lot of times. I know they do. They think I'm, you know, I'm this racist guy. I'm sexist. I'm homophobic. I love people to just do what they want to do, mind their own business,

have fun, have a great life regardless. It's when you're sacrificing especially our country and our abilities and – Just for the virtue of someone being gay. Just because they're gay. Or someone being Asian or someone being whatever it is. I love the gay people. Me and Keith, we take Keith's boat out

to Fire Island in the summer. We go to Cherry Grove because Keith has a buddy that's a gay NYPD cop, retired. And it is the funnest time. Just gay dudes everywhere. Yeah, no one parties like gay dudes. Gay dudes can party in fucking thongs

they don't give a shit and they're we're like it's so funny it's like oh do people think you're gay it's like no

no maybe they do I mean there's like dude there's some those gay guys are gorgeous there's some unfortunate looking gay fellas

an old queen is like the that's the saddest thing ever right yeah an old queen cause it's almost like's the saddest thing ever, right? Yeah. An old queen. Because it's almost like – because they had to make it through the period in the 70s and 80s with AIDS.

So it's almost like you're looking at a nom vet that made it back or that. Because you look like, how did you live? But it's like, ah, he's old. The gay lifestyle for dudes is a young man's game. It is, right? Or it's a sugar daddy game. Yeah. That's another thing. If you have enough money to be a sugar daddy, you could have all the gay sex you want.

Wasn't that the Bryan Singer argument? Wasn't that what he was allegedly doing? They were accusing him of doing it? Oh, yeah. Sugar daddy. Well, there's that predatorial thing like and and i think gay people get a lot of flack for that that they're perceived as these sexual predators of of underage people but you know like i said people got mad at milo it's a

young person's yeah he just said look my again personal experience was this he was saying what he went through well he was saying believe me i through. Well, he was saying, believe me, I was the predator. I was the predator. That's what he said. When he was a young guy. He was saying in the relationship that he had with the older guy. With the older guy, he was the one pursuing him. Hey, whatever gets you

through the fucking night. I don't know if that's true or if it's just with him, you don't know how much of it is just theater. How much of it is just fucking around. He really is a show, how much of he's just fucking around. He really is a showman. Yeah. I mean. What is he doing now though? It's like he has to do stunts, like turn straight.

Now it's turning straight. Talk about him. Dude, he's, he's, he, I talked to him a couple of weeks ago. He's in Florida. He's opening up a fucking, like a clinic to make people not gay. Oh, he's really doing that? He's, and I said, I asked him straight out. I go, Milo, is this a work?

What are you doing? And he went through this whole thing where he said, no, he found some religion. And he really does think that the gay lifestyle is such a bad thing and it's unhealthy. And so he went through all this stuff. And again again who knows you know well who knows what kind of damage has you know been done to him and to his psyche by being ostracized and you know i asked him that too i said you know a lot of times when people make these unbelievable reversals and changes in their lives it's after this horrific

experience where you might be depressed or suicidal or something a lot of born-again christians have to go through yeah a lot of shit before they they make that jump and i'm like is this because you know you've been outcast you're fucking yeah fucking scourge of society. Right. And you want to jump on something else, whether it's I need to make money, so let me do this, or if it's genuinely like maybe my life has fucked up my life, and you have to fix it. Well, it's all like what a drop off. The guy goes from being in the middle of the public conversation. I mean, they were constantly talking about him to all platforms, removed from everything. Yeah.

And that's over the period of just a couple of years. One of the most unfair things that are going on these days. And I hate the excuse, private company, they could do what they want. It's like, no, you've given them too much power. Private companies now have too much power. Twitter is a great example because I've been booted from Twitter so many times. And it's one of the most useful show prep tools I have.

So I have to make accounts. Right. And, you know, I've made a few accounts over the years after I've been booted. What did you get booted for? I've been booted for a few things. I got booted for usually it was get booted for i've been booted for a few things i got booted for usually it was being mean name calling some girl was giving jim norton shit and she was this like bozo red-haired nose ring girl and i said uh i go oh she must i said something like she must

have used her period blood to dye her hair. Something like that. And that was it. Gone. Gone. Like that? Out of everything? Now I'm getting, I have a finesse now where I know to say enough where now my fans pick up where it's going. Well, that's what they worry. That's called a dog whistle, Anthony. It's a dog whistle.

Exactly. I dog whistle a little bit. But isn't that weird that you have to like... That you even have to. But that was the thing that was happening. Like there were so many aggressive conservative voices that were, in many people's eyes... Put Trump in office. Meaner. I think so.

Yeah. It was a huge part. In a lot of ways. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why they decided, okay, we can't have this. Right. And so we're going to clean this up. But the problem is you can't get woke enough and once they've cleaned it up in a certain department

they'll move left yeah and then they'll keep moving left and next you know either you're a socialist or you're a piece of shit either you're a marxist or you're a piece of shit and that's that's coming it comes for everybody, man. It does. that meet in a rational center. And to say, look, we can have, there's really reasonable people on the right and really reasonable people on the left, and if we got the two of them together, maybe we can kind of deal with a lot of the issues that a lot of this country has.

They banned his Twitter account. A lot. They banned Unity 2020. Because they felt like- The very essence of- Exactly. They felt like very essence of exactly. They felt like promoting a controversial third party was dangerous at this time where it was critical in their eyes that the Democrats take control again. And so anything that was against this narrative of reelecting or electing a Democrat and getting Trump out of office.

Anything that can get in the way of that. Right. Like some Ross Perot type monkey wrench, which is how Bill Clinton got in office. Yes. Right? They don't want that to take votes away. He's like, I'm explaining to you exactly what's going on with the Federal Reserve. It's not even federal.

And you're like, what? And remember he had that half hour show he took out. He was so rich, bought tv yeah it was before the internet and he told people how you're getting fucked with your taxes and everybody's like what and so he got so many votes that george hw never got a second term and clinton got into office yeah it split the uh republican vote so they're looking at it that way like look we can't have any of this unity 2020 shit fuck Fuck unity. We have a mandate. And that's where it's crazy because there is no harassment.

There's no discrimination involved in this. There's no negativity. There's no meanness. There's nothing awful. There's nothing discriminatory. All they're saying is we think it would be better for everybody if we had rational people from both sides meet in the middle and find out what's best for the country. They're like, too dangerous.

Can't have that. They banned their Twitter account. Yeah. Well, that's what they're doing. It's madness. I was watching that clip of you and Chappelle, and you were talking about you can't be woke enough. Yeah.

And it was the SNL thing with Elon. Yeah. And you, I was like, yes, yes. When you said, this is, people don't understand how amazing Elon Musk is. Like, this guy is a fucking treasure. And there's people that don't want to do a skit with him. People who are, I don't know how many of the cast members were actually complaining about it. But I do know that a lot of people that were fans, a lot of people that were, what I was reading was fans were complaining about it.

Woke fans. And I'm like, are you out of your fucking mind? Yeah. Do you understand what this meant? First of all, there's nothing he does that's negative. No. You might say that him tweeting about selling Tesla public at 420, that might be like... But he's just being a fun guy on Twitter. He's kind of crazy.

He is, which is genius. That's part of being a genius. And simultaneously running four spectacularly disruptive companies yeah like he's putting rockets into space he's making the best electric cars he's making solar panels for your roof he's fucking boring tunnels under the earth but he said fuck you to California yeah and his people you know he wanted factories to start working he came out out here. The fucking guy, yesterday I just read

the 10th Falcon 9 booster landed. Yeah. He used this thing 10 fucking times already to launch shit. I remember as a kid, it was a big thing. You'd be like, oh, they're going to launch something in three months. This guy's

sending rockets up on the daily. Just like putting internet satellites. He's got the sat-link thing going up where he's putting these satellites up that will give the entire earth high-speed internet. And what? He's not good enough for some goofy sketch? He's not woke enough. He's not woke enough. Yeah.

I believe, and it's ironic that his company is Tesla, because I think since Nikolai Tesla, this is the next guy. He is the most brilliant motherfucker that we have. And we're lucky to have him in this country. And people just can't see it. They just don't see this guy is brilliant yeah design when you watch those boosters land dude it's like a sci-fi movie you're like this can't be and if he just did that right incredible just did that just did that and then he's like yeah we've been taking cargo up hey i, I'm going to take people up. First time, beautiful.

Second time, they bring the first people back. The guys are sitting in a ship that, you know, it's not like Apollo where they're fucking like, they've got leg room. There's fucking flat screens in front of them. It's like they're fucking on JetBlue. And these things work impeccably. They're all autonomous, by the way.

And it's funny when they show the interior of the capsule. You'll see the guy sitting, and they're pressing buttons on the flat screen, and all you see change are the camera angles. Like, they're not going, oh, well, how much delta V do we need to get up there? It's all programmed. The ship flies itself. It docks itself. You don't see fucking Michael Collins trying to dock with the lunar module and Buzz Aldrin. That fucking ship knows what it's doing. The technology that Elon Musk not only created but incorporated into space travel is making it like it was supposed to be. Our vision of the future were these autonomous ships

where you could just sit there and it will do the work for you. And when they open that door and the guys in the space station are like, hey, they shake hands, you're like, that's the fucking future. Now remove him from the picture and you have none of this. None of it. He is the common denominator with electric cars, with that, with boring tunnels under the earth to eliminate traffic problems exactly with without von braun you wouldn't have

the apollo program uh you wouldn't have the atom bomb without guess what if you just told him elon we really need you to fix this plastic in the ocean problem like hmm plastic in the ocean how do we get it out and next thing you know he's fucking figuring that out it's like we have a problem with too much carbon in the atmosphere oh suck it out of the atmosphere yeah i can do that build a filter hold on filter next thing you know he's got a fucking gigantic filter sucking carbon out of the atmosphere he's such a weird dude like like he seems now you obviously sat here because the picture is fucking famous of him smoking a joint. Yeah.

Does he seem like... He's an alien. An alien, right? He seems like an alien. But for me, because I'm a chimp. Isn't that fucked up? When I'm talking to him, I'm like, huh. Like, I'm for sure his dumbest friend.

There's no question. There's no question. Oh, shit. That's funny, man. Yeah, he's one of those guys, one of those one in a million where you had, you know, Da Vinci and Tesla and all these people that advanced, had this, you know, we advance as humans, technologically especially, and then we have these jumps. Yeah.

And he's one of those people that inspired and was behind one of these big jumps technologically. I never thought we'd have a chance of going to Mars. Like, it always seemed like, all right, I know about the Apollo program and everything and the limitations of it from growing up. I was very interested in the space program as a kid. Still am now. But he's the one that made you go, oh, all right, that makes sense.

Yeah, I guess we can at some point. He's got these plans. It's this weird, you know, talk about out-of-the-box thinking. That fucker's brilliant. Yeah, I always say that if evolution's a real thing, that guy's way ahead of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's some new different thing. Yeah.

And that's what people are going to be. Well, not only that, I forgot about Neuralink. Oh, right. When we were talking about reading each other's minds. Fuck yeah. One of the things he said to me the last podcast we did, he was like, you're going to be able to talk without words. I was like, what?

And that's what he's ultimately thinking, the progression of Neuralink when he extrapolates, when he takes it from where it is now to what it's eventually going to be with innovation and time and continual improvements and updates. You're going to have the ability to communicate without words. This is what I'm getting to where I think, and I don't want it to be that, but I think that that might be our savior, that our savior might be something that conveys intent pure instead of like manipulative words.

Because what we're dealing with a lot today, with a lot of the problems that we have, is people manipulating truth with narrative and words and the way they fuck with the truth. That's going to be eliminated if you can actually see how a person's perceiving and thinking about things interesting would but wouldn't that take things like people's ability and talent of persuasion away like like there's a you know sales people are very good at what they do because they

know how to manipulate right but then when you're sitting there with some piece of shit that you shouldn't have bought because some jackass is really smooth talk to you into buying it like gary glenn ross he got me right he got me coffees for closers but if you knew instantly yeah like well that's the problem with drug commercials right yeah when you see those drug commercials constant you could be that girl spinning in a field of wheat all happy instead of just shitting your brains out all day. You could be that girl, right? Right. Ask your doctor about blah, blah, blah.

How many people end up like the positive image in those commercials and not the laundry list of side effects? Side effects, yeah. Like, yeah. One of my favorite ones, it's for schizophrenia. And I'm watching this commercial. I'm just laughing. It's a woman. She gets out of her car and she looks over at a family walking to an ice cream truck thing or an ice cream stand in a park. And she sees the ice cream guy like fiddling with the ice cream.

And then he takes a camera and just starts taking pictures of her. And then it flashes back to him just giving a cone to the kid like holy fuck is that happening with people weird commercial but she's pretty and put together it's like and then she meets other schizophrenics and talks to them about it and then they're all sitting at a table in a restaurant eating talking about this medication and how it helps and i'm sitting there thinking are those other people really there like maybe she's just fucking rambling alone yeah she's all fucking right she looks all pretty in the commercial and then she's just a mess fucking she's shitting herself well it's not the right solution right the right solution is not like you watch a commercial and now you have to talk to your doctor to deal with all your problems.

But this is what the problem with selling pharmaceutical interventions is. You're selling it. Like you've got music and imagery and everything looks positive and amazing. And we're one of only two countries in the whole world that allows that. The only two countries. Crazy, right? The United States and New Zealand are the only countries that allow that. The only two countries. Crazy, right? The United States and New Zealand are the only countries that allow you to advertise drugs.

Yeah. It's getting bad, too, because the song Magic from Pilot came on the radio, and I'm like, oh, oh, oh, O-San-tic. I don't even sing the fucking real words. I'm singing the drug name. What is O-San-tic? I don't know.

I just know the song. No one knows what the drugs are by just that. It's probably some arthritis thing. And then Cyndi Lauper talking about her psoriasis and fucking. I've been one year clear. That's what Cyndi Lauper was saying? Yeah. Yeah.

She's doing drug commercials. You know what apparently works really good for psoriasis? The carnivore diet. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. My friend Chad Mendez he uh is a fighter he fought for the ufc and now he runs uh he's got a hunting guide company and he makes like freeze dried foods and shit he uh go to chad mendez's uh instagram page this is really important for

people because if you have and i'm not saying this is going to work for you but he has pretty bad psoriasis it's been a real issue for Chad, like, most of his life. And he got on this carnivore diet, and within, like, four weeks, his psoriasis radically reduced itself. Is there science behind it that you could say it's why? It's elimination diet. This is why. Because whatever it is, I mean, the way elimination diets work is you try to find out what's fucking with you. You may have some—so this is what his leg used to look like. Oh my god.

Right. Now, but look, go further. So this is, he's showing before and after. Now look at it now. Oh wow. How incredible is that? And that's just from carnivore diet. So it says here okay guys, here's a little update on my psoriasis while on the carnivore diet. The first pics

were taken when I started the diet in March 1st. We're almost two months in and this is my legs currently look like the crazy thing is I've been told by two different dermatologists that diet has no effect on psoriasis he says I feel great and getting lean as well I wonder how I would have felt during my athletic career anyone else having great success with this I know several people that have had issues with autoimmune diseases like psorias people that have had issues with autoimmune diseases like psoriasis that have dealt with it through these elimination diets. So whatever it is that

you're allergic to, for some people, it just might be sugar. It might be grains. Who knows what it is? But for him, knocking it all down to one thing where your body only processes one kind of food, which is mostly red red meat cured all that issue with him it's so weird because over the course of the years we've only heard that that is dangerous right oh it's cholesterol or you know but you know why that right do you know the whole conspiracy behind that no oh this is amazing the sugar industry bribed scientists in the 1960s to lie and to fuck with their their their studies to show that it was saturated fat that was causing all these problems with obesity and heart disease instead of sugar so it was literally and it wasn't even that much of a

bribe they bribed these guys but they gave him like fifty thousand dollars and these guys come but this is like from the 1960s and this was all in the new york times they were detailing how this had happened that they lied about fat which is like if you are a person that lives in like an indigenous tribe fat is extremely valuable if you have a subsistence lifestyle oh yeah fat is everything it's fuel it's like it's important for brain function, for health. Like that gives you energy. Like there's a thing called rabbit starvation. And it's like, if you only eat lean meat only with no fat, you literally starve. Like it's terrible. You need fat. So this idea that saturated fat, like fat from animal products is bad for you

is fucking lies. It's nonsense. It's literally been the thing that people have been eating. People, oh, red meat's bad for you. Meat is bad for you. Meat is what 95% of the world eats. They've been eating it for the entire time people have been people. In fact, there's a real argument that eating meat is what made people people. Really?

Yeah, there's a real argument that the growth and doubling of the human brain size was directly coordinated with people learning how to cook meat and learning how to eat meat over fire, having more access to proteins, and then also the devious skills involved in hunting and chasing animals, that we

had to get smarter and more calculated. Oh, absolutely. That makes perfect sense. What about the omnivore thing? If it's not a deal where you're getting rid of psoriasis by just eating meat, is it healthier to just eat meat or if you have some vegetables in there? I don't think there's anything wrong with vegetables. I eat vegetables. I love vegetables. I love salads.

And I don't have any health problems from doing it. But I do notice that for me, me at least when i'm eating breads and pastas i feel like shit yeah but i love them i have a real fucking problem they're too god good lasagna a nice lasagna god cheesy fucking pasta mess oh yeah big fucking noodles i love it i love it i love it is. Sugars are apparently the deadliest, most horrible thing you could fucking consume. You're supposed to get sugar from an orange.

That's how you're supposed to get your sugar. Because it's got fiber, and it's got vitamins, and it's supposed to be like a trick. There's a trade-off in nature. You eat the orange, you shit out the seeds, your shit fertilizes the seeds the seeds grow more orange trees this is the this is the deal that nature is made with animals that's why

seeds when these delicious fruits are in the center okay you're eating all this delicious food and then you get to the seed and a good percentage of it you shit out and that is what grows trees it's a It's a bargain. It's like the apple's not going to grow itself with just the seed. It needs some fertilizer, and it needs to be delicious in order for you to consume it. It needs to be taken away also from the tree. There's these cycles that are like, why the fuck do bees pollinate plants? Why do they do that?

How does that work? I don't know, but they do. There's a trick. It's their job. But this is like it all works together. There's like there's all this is a system that works together. And that's how you're supposed to get your sugar. You're supposed to get your sugar from these delicious sources that are actually good for you.

Right. But when you can get it from a spoon and you just spoon sugar into your fat face. And it's addicting. It's an addictive substance i mean people get addicted to sweets and sugar because it hijacks your reward system the same way yes video games it gives you this good your reward system for solving puzzles and going out and dealing things and the same way a fucking action movie hijacks your reward systems for like surviving and kicking ass. It's fucked up, right? Yeah. Sugar hijacks all of your

reward systems that think that you're supposed to get fat because you're trying to stave off a famine. Yeah, yeah. God, that's so fucked up. It's weird. But you look at what Chad did with just eating only meat and it's pretty incredible and I'm not recommending that to everybody

or eat, but I know a lot of people that do it. That's how they eat. Yeah, yeah. They're pretty fucking healthy. Again, Jordan Peterson. I guess Michaela, his daughter. Yeah. Meat diet.

Well, she had an issue as well. She had autoimmune disorders in terms of arthritis, like severe arthritis. Yeah. And she cured all of that with no medication by just eating meat. So clearly, it's something about whether it's sugar or one of the other foods that she was eating was fucking with her body, and it's unusual. Like, for most people, they're pretty fine with these things.

But here's the thing, not optimal. That's the thing. Like, you're like, oh, you're fine with a balanced diet. Are you fine? But you're not optimal. What's optimal? Like, what does that mean? That means your liver and all these processes your body has to filter out shit

are doing a good job, but you're still putting shit in your body. And you say, well, I'm fine with this shit in my body. But are you? You're not optimal. I think it's quite amazing, especially in the United States, but worldwide if you think about it, but United States, that we have the capability of feeding 330

are we at? Something like that? I think 350 now. A million people. Is it 350? 350. Did you figure it out the other day? And we talk about hunger. We talk about starvation and hunger and stuff, but when you think about it, you're never driving down the road and you see a fucking vulture flying over a little kid that starved to death on the side of the road.

Everyone in this country has the ability to survive. There's enough food in this country where people aren't starving to death. Now, every time I say this, people say, well, there's hunger and people are not getting the nutrition. I go, I get it. But we're not starving to death. Now, every time I say this, people say, well, there's hunger and people are, they're not getting the nutrition. I go, I get it, but we're not starving to death. And to me, that's amazing. And then you look at what it is. I talk about the chicken Holocaust that goes on on a daily basis. How many fucking chickens have to die every day? When you get wings and chicken legs for a party, every two of those is one

chicken. I know. And you're there going like this. Only every two. That was a chicken. And you might leave four or five of them because you'd be full. Right. And Super Bowl Sunday, you think you're the only person with a stack of chicken? How many of those? And they got to be somewhere.

They got to be slaughtered. They got to be – and then hatched and raised. To me, that is one of the most amazing things in this country is how people are fed in such vast fucking numbers. It is amazing. Here's another amazing thing. We've gotten so weird that our poor people are fat. Right? We talk about that all the time. Wealthy people stay pretty lean.

Yeah. Yeah, because they eat correct. We have. They're eating wise. I often thought about what American refugees would look like. Because you watch refugees from all around the world. You know, you got Kurds that have to move north because people are coming in and they're just emaciated and wearing rags and things. And like if anything happened, God forbid, where Americans were refugees and had to flee to Canada or Mexico or something, it would be the fattest line of refugees.

We have 70 percent of our people are obese. Obese. Yeah. Isn't that the number? Is that correct? Was it? I think so. I was just looking at the number of wings that people ate on Super Bowl Sunday.

Oh, my God. What is the number? How many chickens? It's up to, from the year before, but it's up to one and a half billion wings. On Sunday? On Super Bowl Sunday. I'm going to say. Oh, my God. up to one and a half billion wings. On Sunday? On Super Bowl Sunday. I'm going to say. Oh my God.

It's one day. So that's, so it's one and a half. So it's 750 million chickens on Sunday. For one day. So double the population of the whole country. Of chickens. And chickens die in a day. Where do you put them? Like I assume in the middle of the whole country of chickens die in a day where do you put them like i i assume in the middle of the country somewhere there are fucking barns just full of chickens for acres for

miles they are and they and pigs too and that's not including pigs and cows and everything else that we need to eat when people say we got to get rid of cows, oh, cows are causing climate change and the methane, whatever. What are you fucking going to replace that with? Do you understand that's why people aren't starving is we become so efficient at fucking murdering animals and eating them. It's horrific. You can't just all of a sudden grow fucking some kind of soy and feed everybody.

It's just not going to work. Well, it's the business model that made cities, right? Because these people aren't growing anything. Right. You live in Los Angeles. No one's growing anything but weed. You have this gigantic population of people, and there's no farms. They don't even have their own fucking water, dude.

They don't have their own water. Water is imperative. It's air and then water how long you last without air and then water and it's like they don't even have their own water source if some catastrophe happened all of fucking at least southern california is just gonna die of thirst well i had a bit about this because i was taught when i was talking about putting people on mars and that you know they're like you know we have to there, we're running out of water in California. We have climate change. Like, we're right next to the fucking ocean.

Are you telling me it's easier to go to another planet than to suck the salt out of the water? You got literally three quarters of the earth is covered in fucking water. Get the fucking salt out of the water and fix this. This is the dumbest way to fix it ever. We need to go to another planet. Do we?

Do we really? Look at all that fucking water. And the sun can power the evaporation to desalinate water. It's not like you need these complex... The complex plants

do it faster and at a bigger capacity. Yes. But literally, the sun evaporating salt water will evaporate away and condense into fresh water. Yeah. So it's not something that is unheard of in the science community. But you can desalinate water pretty efficiently now. And if they just kept innovating in that regard.

I mean, think about the amount of money we spend on all kinds of things. Yeah. How about just foreign wars? Just take a good percentage of that money that goes to the military-industrial complex and suck the salt out of the water. Suck the salt out of the water. We have so many problems solved. Like California just today went into a state of drought.

There's drought in California, which to me is, I feel for you, my California friends, but it's hilarious because it rains here all the time and everything is so green. It's so lush. I love living here. It's green. It rains all the time. It's green. It's beautiful. That's how it's supposed to be. You're supposed to live in a place where it rains.

Are you loving living here instead of California? I love it here. Since I've been here, I've been given 12 guns. Given? Given. 12 guns. Welcome to Texas. I love it here. Since I've been here, I've been given 12 guns. 12. Given. Given. 12 guns. Welcome to Texas.

Here's a gun. Dude, my house is in contract. I just fucking signed the contract. I'm waiting for the people to get there. I'm going to South fucking Carolina. South Carolina's a good spot. Another great gun state. And, you know.

Nice people, too. The taxes in New York. And, you know. Nice people, too. The taxes in New York. Oh, yeah. And I hear about Austin a lot when people go, these motherfuckers are coming from California. Fucking Rogan's going to vote for these fuckers. And they're getting pissed that these traditionally red states are going to turn blue. New York is one of those places, though, between Cuomo and de Blasio, the mayor of New York City, de Blasio is the worst mayor in the history of mayors. In the history of mayors.

This guy is running a city that is just fucked with crime, unemployment. Shit is shut down. I don't know when they think they're going to shut this COVID shutdown switch off, and everything opens back up. Every day I walk from Penn Station, 34th Street, to my studio on 35th Street. It's one block. The horrors I witness in a one-block walk, people shitting on the sidewalk, heroin addicts are just hunched over doing that fucking rock thing.

How much has it changed in the last year? Huge, dude. Huge. Like, we were living in a city that was kind of, had it together. The police were doing their jobs. Now the cops don't even want to fuck around. Because they don't want to get- They don't want-

Everything they do is a potential, not even- You know, know when you're a cop you talk to a lot of cops they sign on to know they're going to be shot at at some point and they're okay with that they're literally okay with people shooting at them what they didn't sign up for is spending the rest of the life in prison yeah and like civil lawsuits they've taken away uh their protection so now any person that is interacting with the cop can now sue them personally always the city would get sued oh this cop did this to me and they'd settle out for a million bucks and you know uh that would that would end it but now they could go after the cop. So you're destroying these people's lives. They're accused of atrocities that rarely happen.

And it's a shame because people go, well, just go to court. And that destroys your life. People think court is like an episode of Perry Mason, an hour and you're done. and you're done. Like the idea of getting a lawyer, the time it takes to go to court every day for months, sometimes years, depending on what it is, it destroys your life. And again, like I said, they sign on for these dangers that they knew was part of the job. But this has just gotten to the point where these cops are going i ain't leaving the precinct if a call comes in i'll five mile an hour it and clean up the mess after why would i bother injecting myself in a situation that i know is like fucking wrath of khan kobayashi maru there's the no win

scenario you're going in there and anything you do is going to affect you negatively now there's two different people that are running for mayor now right that are in the forefront you got andrew yang and then there's that other guy yang uh yeah the the black dude the cop the guy who carries yeah yeah carries a gun pro police what was his what was his previous job he was a cop in new york city yeah and he is a guy that wants to clean things up yeah he's tired of the crime he's tired of the fucking uh what is his name i can't remember his goddamn name i'm sure your producer will find it but this guy is becoming increasingly popular because a lot of people are agreeing with him they're tired of it here's the

thing with new york though too this guy's Oh, there's a debate tonight? Eric Adams. Eric Adams. He's a Democrat, but, like, you'll never get another Republican mayor. Giuliani was it. New York is so fucked with people that have come in and just can't get it out of their head that they

need a Democratic mayor. Can't there be a pro- police Democrat? Well, that's that's so that's what you need yeah yeah you need he's got a good chance a law and order right keep keep it together let's clean up the streets democrat exactly yeah yeah yeah i think he's that guy and you're gonna get the fuck out of there i'm out i am fucking done i'm Dude, the taxes I pay out on Long Island are insane and for nothing. If I fucking drove my car out and had to back onto a golden street and every stop sign a fucking beautiful girl would suck my dick and I would be like, all right, I see why the taxes are so high. What is the taxes at now?

You're getting nothing. see why the taxes are so high. What is the taxes at now? You're getting nothing. My, between my school taxes, because even if you don't have kids, you've got to pay your school tax, and my property tax, mine is $65,000 a year I pay

in property taxes in Roslyn, Long Island. What is the percentage of your income you have to pay when you live in New York State between Oh, now? Well, just income tax? Yeah, and if you make more money, you pay more, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't a situation where I think someone said that the top 1% of earners in New York City pay 50% of the taxes. Yeah. And then Trump fucked us by not letting us deduct our state income tax from our federal. So you used to be able to take your state income tax and write it off when you filed your federal.

You bring your taxable income down because you gave that to the New York state. Right. Now, there's a number. Once you hit that number, all the rest is part of your fucking income. So they just figure, look, you're a guy who's a go-getter. You're going to keep go-getting. Fuck you. Pay me.

Pay me. Fuck you. Pay me. And now they're trying something because they know everyone's leaving. A lot of people are going to Florida where they're trying to get some kind of a retroactive tax that will be enacted for a couple of years even after you leave. You'll still have to pay New York. California proposed that too.

10 years. It's like, how the fuck? First of all, it's like, remember pay phones in the old days when the phone would ring when you're done and they'd go, please deposit 25 cents for the last three minutes. No one put that in. It would ring. Remember that? It would ring.

You're like, who's this? Please deposit. Fuck off. That's how I'm treating New York State. If they ask me for a dime, come down to South Carolina and get me. Well, it's got to be unconstitutional, isn't it? It must be. It's got to be.

It has to be. It's got to be. The revolution started for a lot less. Now, do you wonder if you're in South Carolina about getting guests? Is it more difficult to get guests? The thing COVID has done is made uh zoom guests a lot more acceptable than it used to be yeah i used to sit there and go like oh motherfucker are they coming in live or is it zoom oh it's zoom i'm gonna be like ah fuck right now it's kind of become a thing

that people don't really mind as much also um keeping a small place up in new york and i'm keeping the studio so if i have a guest that can only make it in New York and it's a good guest that I want, I'll just fly up and do it from the studios up there. It's probably a quick flight too, right? Yeah, yeah. It's three hours, so it's nothing. I'll just stay overnight, hang out, make sure they're all fucking working up there.

Maybe bang a few of them out there. Right. Compound Media is like you have a network. Yeah, yeah. How many shows do you have? What is it you have a network. Yeah, yeah. Right? And how many shows do you have? I have, what is it, about eight shows now. Is that a pain in the ass?

It can be at times. A little bit. I have some really funny shows on there. It's Aaron Berg and Gino Bisconti do In Hot Water. They're like our midday show. in hot water uh they're like our our midday show and uh i listen to them and and i go like oh fuck oh no that's bad oh no don't say that don't do that they get me to go like uh-oh i'll read on twitter i'll be like oh fuck what is aaron and gino doing And I'll be like, oh no, what are they doing? And like, I don't know, they're showing gay scat porn or something one day. They're showing it?

Yeah. You can do that? Well, I guess you can, right? Do whatever the fuck I want. It's a private platform. It's a private platform. That's why I have it this way. I knew damn well if I just opened it up, I'd end up like, you know, even Crowder.

He's got deplatformed. Everyone gets deplatformed. For some reason, when you're behind a paywall, they just don't fuck with you as much. What could they do? What could they do to you at this point? The only thing that could really be done is way down the line. Someone down the line that owns the fucking insulators on the telephone poles

will say, I don't want his voice going around my insulator. Well, it could be an issue with the internet provider or the... Yeah, it's always shit like that. But again, they understand the pay platform part of it. Like they take that into consideration that we're not just popping this out for anyone to see. You paid for it. You want to see it. And how much do they pay?

How much do... how much does it cost to join like compound media oh it's uh nine nine ninety five for a month but it's like uh eight dollars for the year we have like discount like that oh and it's uh but there's a fuckload of shows we have all of the uh shows archived so you could see shit when Artie Lang was my co-host which is insane the Artie and Anthony show lasted for nine months holy shit that was when Artie was in the through how is he now because he's been MIA he's been MIA because he's down in Florida I heard he's living with his mom who is like they are keeping him clean I mean what is he doing in Floridaissing in a cup every week to make sure he's not doing drugs.

I think he's on some kind of conditional release from the last trouble he had where he has to stay clean. But why is he not performing or doing something? Dude, it's the worst thing he could do. That was the problem. He got out of rehab, so many rehabs, and he would go he that was the problem he got out of rehab so many rehabs and he would go right back to the stage and you know people here fucking there's a bump take something for you okay yeah you're you're going to the worst play comedy clubs you're already laying in in a comedy club it's the worst fucking scenario. I get that, but he's

such a treasure. Dude, I know. He did my podcast when he was super clean. He was clean and healthy. He'd been clean for over a year, and he was amazing. He's one of the funniest motherfuckers you'll ever sit down and bullshit with. It was an amazing show. It was so fun. It was so funny. It was just like, I'm not going to make it in today.

He wouldn't even say that. He just wouldn't show up. He used to have a hotel. He'd get a hotel room close to the studio at a hotel that's no longer there. And the hotel owner came to Keith, who was running Compact Media for a while, and said, we can't have him in here anymore. Wow. And it's like, well, what happened? He goes, the maid walked in. There was blood all over the room, like everywhere.

It looked like a murder scene. I guess his nose was bleeding and stuff. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah. He was a mess. I mean, God bless him. I really do think and I hope that he continues with his sobriety because he's a funny motherfucker. He would be on trashed and still be the funniest fucking guy in the room.

Oh, he's brilliant. Yeah. He's always been brilliant. And he's always been a sweetheart of a guy. The nicest fucking guy. Yeah. And yeah, it's just that old demon. He's got that demon.

As they call it. That demon has got a deep root. Entrenched in him deep there's no way he could just casually be around it or anything he needs and the fucked up thing about being in comedy is you're in a bar you're in a club you're around people that are doing drugs and stuff i mean some of the most successful people that have recovered or in recovery are people that have just cut themselves off from that whole life. They never again walk into a bar. Maybe not never

again, but years maybe. And still they're like, eh. But when that's your life, is walking into a place where people are literally staring at you drinking, it's got to be terrible. Yeah, it's a really difficult temptation yeah but that's why we said about people that are addicted

to food I imagine cuz you have to eat to live have to eat so you have to like think about how to manage your addiction while you're also sustaining yourself yeah the very thing that you're addicted to yeah because with alcohol and drugs it's one of those things where well I just won't do it ever again yeah and you can with food it's like well i gotta do it i just can't do as much yeah and that doesn't work with drugs or alcohol the second you fucking you're right back where you were i just think it sucks that he's not doing something a podcast or something. I mean, I did his last podcast up here when he was clean, uh, the last time. And it was awesome. He was funny as fuck. We had a great time. It was a two parter. Actually, we went a couple of hours and that was it. He disappeared after that. I'm like, what happened?

He was doing so well and shit, you know? Well, during the pandemic, I, I like, I remember reaching out to some friends like hey i just got a weird feeling like i haven't heard from arty like is anybody heard from arty because i i haven't seen him anywhere and i thought that was just strange so i reached out to some of my friends from new york and they were like yeah he's just laying low yeah yeah it's fucked up um yeah there are a couple of the comics that are very close with him uh and you could get some some updates but but it's like you don't are very close with him, and you could get some updates. But it's like you don't want to babysit him either, right?

You don't want to babysit him. They've done it before. I've had conversations. When Artie came on board my show, I went to the comedy cellar when the news broke that it was going to be the Artie and Anthony show. And David Tell is on the stairs by the cellar smoking a cigarette and he goes so uh arty's on your show huh i'm like yeah yeah he goes ah welcome to the wonderful world of arty the midnight calls the fuck is i like i remember when dipalo and arty had a show yeah like a regular radio show yeah yeah, yeah, Nick and Artie.

And it was funny, and Nick had the conversation with me too. He's like, good luck. Yeah, they're very different personalities. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do, Nick comes on my show every Monday. He does a show with me every Monday, just two angry guineas yelling about the world.

I just think it's sad. Shaking our fists. It's sad that Artie's not guineas yelling about the world. I just think it's sad. Shaking our fists. It's sad that Artie's not doing something because people love the guy. They do love him. And that's the fucked up thing is like I've known so many people that have had issues with drugs and alcohol and whatnot in my life. And you give them some time. If they don't come around, you pretty much disown them.

And they usually pull such asshole moves and they're liars and what have you. Artie's loved. Yes. With everything that has happened, everyone still loves this fucking guy. Yeah, for sure. That's why it really does hurt when you're like, ah, fuck, man. I want to see him do well. And I want to see him on stage.

I love watching Artie perform. He's one of the quickest motherfuckers. Some of those stern tapes where he is just railing on somebody, there's no one better. It's so funny, man. No, he's a genius. He's just a – I just – I don't know what's the path to be able to perform again. Yeah, yeah.

Where you're not going to be tempted and where he's healthy enough and strong enough that he knows he's on a good path. Yeah, yeah. It's very hard. The Artie I know and knew and was on my show, unfortunately, if I'm going to be honest, I can't picture that guy being able to be well and be that.

But hopefully the Art already I haven't seen in the past couple of years now has worked his way into being that person that that can do that so when he was on your shows before his nose caved in it was during it was during I watched it happen like a car wreck what did when you came in his nose was enormous and caked with blood like what were you thinking it was actually so funny there was some funny shit that happened I had Rich Voss on the show one day

with Artie and we're fucking bullshitting and laughing and Artie's nose just started a trickle of blood started coming out and I see Voss looking over at him doing the thing where he's like like that and i'm like rich we all see it this isn't wipe a couple of grains of coke

away from your nose because you just come out of the bathroom i go everyone knows already knows it's bleeding like it's oh is that it yeah look look i think that's where he fucking starts doing it. Yeah. Oh, God. Poor Artie. He goes, I know. I'm like. And Voss is clean. Yeah, yeah.

Voss is. So odd. He'll let you know he's clean. He'll let you know how long. That green screen is such a great move. Yeah. It works because we have so many different shows is what it is. So we're able to put a different background for every show.

And that's kind of why I did it. Once I go down to South Carolina, they're still going to use the green screen up here, but I'm going to have a regular studio built that like has a dedicated. How did you pick South Carolina? Why'd you pick that place? It worked out. It wasn't Florida.

I didn't want to go to Florida. How come? Florida has, i don't know just a rep it's florida's a little weird man um it was it was south uh if i'm gonna move somewhere i'm gonna move somewhere where there's no fucking blizzards and shit yeah i'm gonna move inland a little so there's no hurricanes i don't have to worry about my house floating away uh the gun laws are great the taxes are low i could get a fucking legit compound like it just worked out as one and and the flight's quick enough where i gotta go up there my i told my family that i'm going down there and my sister who is nothing like me and my brother she is dawn she is fucking miss motivation

she's always had great jobs she's supervisors at the companies she works at she gets recruited from people where she's got to leave one job to go to a better one and that and she goes oh south carolina bam boom bing bop she's fucking down there. Sold her house, bought a house, bought an apartment that she's now doing Airbnb with. Had a job waiting for her down there with the company that she was with. Her kid is now going to school without a fucking mask. She goes, this is great. Myrtle Beach is where she went. I don't want to go to Myrtle Beach, but that's more her style.

So after my house is sold, go down there. What's wrong with Myrtle Beach? Visit her. I don't know. It's a little too touristy. Ah, okay. I need somewhere where I don't want to have to go too far before I can just start firing guns. I need some woods. Did you get some land?

I'm going to. I'm going to. I haven't even scouted out where i want to go yet i'm gonna get a realtor uh scout out some areas and and you know tell them what i'm looking for don't you want to like make sure that you like the area like the people and you get along with them i don't really like the people i'm with now like i i live in roslyn i don't really cohort with my neighbors. They've seen enough police cars and fucking media in front of my door where I don't think they're fond of me either. Oh, that's hilarious.

But there's a couple of neighbors that were pretty cool. One of my neighbors on the right-hand side was pretty decent. But the cops would constantly, years ago, that house was just party central about 10 years ago. And the Nassau County cops would pull up all the time when I'd have parties in the back. Anthony! Hey, what's up? You gotta turn it down. He goes, we drove around. Well, you've always been real pro-cop. Oh, yeah, yeah. They know.

They fuck it. They're awesome. And they go, yeah, we got a complaint. We drove around with the windows down, and we did hear it. So if you could turn it down. And they, the girls, topless, complaint. We drove around with the windows down and we did hear it. So if you could turn it down. And the girls, topless naked girls would come out of the pools and grab the cars and be like, hi, what are you doing? And they're like laughing their asses off. So every progressive instance of a noise complaint, the other car shows up. By the end, there were literally like five cars and ten cops would come in the back. Hey, what's up, guys?

Naked girls. They loved it. They fucking loved it. That's hilarious. Yeah. And they just wanted to come back. Reminds me of the scene in John Wick when the cop shows up. Noise complaint? Yeah, noise complaint. He looks in. He goes, you working again, John? Dead body

in the house. Are you working again? Yeah, Yeah. Dead body in the house. You working again? Yeah, that house was great. It's weird when you sell a house because there's a nostalgia to it. But like- I imagine people that are fans would want to buy it. Yeah, I think there was actually a couple of people- Did you let people know? No, I didn't really.

I let the realtor do the work. Yeah. It's tricky. I don't want people coming in and out. But I would think, because you did a lot of upgrades to that house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole backyard was just flat. Now it's like a resort.

And then the basement was a cement basement. I put a movie theater in and a studio, a legit fucking studio that I would do a compound, a karaoke stage, full bar. Yeah, it's just everyone. I had parties there for everything. New Year's Eve, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, my family and friends would come over. Just a great fucking

time. But there were also just horrific times in that house that I'm just like, oh God. Enough. Start scratch. Yeah, yeah. The rose-colored lenses sort of get a little faded when you think about, oh, that happened, and then that one, and when my girlfriend found the Canadian girl in the closet. You had a girl in a closet?

Oh, no. I was going out with, this, of course, is in my book, permanently suspended. I was going out with Jill Nicolini. Jill Nicolini. Jill Nicolini was the traffic girl for WPIX in New York. I was in love with this girl. I watched her on TV. The O&A show,

we would do that. The studio you were at, the K-Rock, Howard's old studio. And there were TVs all over. And we would watch WPIX in the morning and Jill would be in the helicopter doing the traffic

and I'm like motherfucker she's hot holy shit so she came over for my birthday they had invited her over there to our studio to celebrate my birthday and uh I asked her out and and Keith hooked us up with a great restaurant uh in um uh Little Italy and we ate there and drank some wine. I went back to her place in Long Island City and dude, it was instantaneous.

We're just fucking making out and all this kind of shit. It was crazy. I had to talk her into sleeping with her. I actually used the line, just the tip. I'll just put the tip in.

Dude, I want it so bad. And then, you know, it never works. The tip doesn't. It you right to the balls you never do just the tip even if you said you did so she uh she she we became an item that it was right at the beginning of the summer and we were they they were calling us anthelene for the whole summer. So we're having this big Labor Day party at my house

and I knew this was going to be a big thing. And during the summer, I started getting these clues that she was kind of looking for a father for a baby kind of a thing. And I'm like, yeah, no, I can't see it. She was going to take it a little more serious than I was. You don't want kids ever.

No, no. I've just, no. I'm not cut out for that kind of lifestyle. So she plans this big party, and this girl I had been involved with a while back from Canada, Halifax, was down. So she came in, and we're kind of sitting in the jacuzzi, and Jill kind of noticed some shit was going on. We might have been a little too close in those bubbles. You hide everything with the fucking jacuzzi and Jill kind of noticed some shit was going on. You know, we might have been a little too close and those bubbles, you hide everything

with the fucking jacuzzi bubbles, just grabbing each other's fucking crotches and things. So she, Jill leaves and I go up to my bedroom and have some sex with the Canadian girl. And then I hear the door open and it's Jill. She's come back. So I have these big walk-in closets and the Canadian girl just then I hear the door open and it's Jill. She's come back. So I have these big walk-in closets and the Canadian girl just goes into the fucking closet

and I'm laying there and Jill comes over and she's like, what's up? I'm like, oh, I just woke up. Oh no.

Dude, she fucking goes down on her knees, pulls the fucking blanket back and just starts sucking my dick. And then she goes. Oh, no.

Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. She tasted another girl. Oh, my God. Joe, like I said, I am a piece of shit. Look, are you laughing. It's hilarious.

She goes to one of the walk-in closets. There's two on either side of the wall. And opens it up and looks in and then shuts it. And she's yelling at me about shit. And I'm denying everything, of course. And I'm like, oh my god, she didn't open the other closet. This is amazing. So she's walking around, kind of yelling at me. and then she looks, and I'm like, oh,

fuck. She opens up the other closet. There's like half-dressed Canadian girl who just goes, hey. Oh, my God. Oh, that was- It was a rough one. It was bad. She took, she left, and then she came back later and grabbed all the Canadian girl's

clothes and everything, her luggage, threw it in the fire pit and lit it on fire. All that was in there were like underwires for bras. Like all kinds. She burnt everything. Why was she mad at her? You know, it's hard to get. I'm charming. It's hard to get mad at me.

Oh, boy. I'm charming, he says. I'm charming. Speaking of charming. I'm terrible. Dude, this was years ago. I. Oh, boy. I'm charming, he says. I'm charming. Speaking of charming. Dude, this was years ago. I've grown as a person. You're a changed man. I've grown.

When is your Vulcan shows? That would be tomorrow and Saturday night. Tomorrow we're also doing, after the show, is a karaoke thing. We're going to have a bunch of people go in. So when this airs, it'll be that night. This will go out tomorrow. Friday, Saturday night. Vulcan.

At Vulcan, yeah. And you're going to come to the Creek in the Cave tonight. Yes, Creek in the Cave. Fuck yeah, Joe. I'm looking forward to it. I missed you, bro. Good times, my friend. We just did three hours, believe it or not. Flew by. It really did. And again,

the reason why I'm doing this, a big part of how this got started is because of you. I'm honored hearing that. It's true. And you know what? You've taken the ball and really fucking run with it, Joe. Amazing. Love you. Thank you, brother. I love you too. Alright, thank Thank you, brother. I love you, too. All right. Thank you, everybody. Bye.